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Federal Reserve Corruption Coming To Light

April 20, 2012 by  

Federal Reserve Corruption Coming To Light

Despite stonewalling by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and his cronies in the moneyed institutions of privilege, the recent partial Fed audit and dribbled-out documents sought by news organizations under the Freedom of Information Act are revealing an astounding level of corruption in the institution.

There is a revolving door between the Fed boards and the “too-big-to-fail” financial institutions like Citibank, Bank of America, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, etc. This, of course, we knew. What we didn’t know — but suspected — was the speed at which the door revolved.

At the time we were being warned by President George W. Bush and former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson (formerly of Goldman Sachs) that something had to be done to save the large financial institutions that were teetering on the brink of bankruptcy because of their own debauchery, there were 18 Federal Reserve Board members who were previously high-level executives of the “too big to fails” that were in line to receive the bailouts, according to a GAO report. And 76 percent of Fed board members also own or owned stock in those same institutions.

After spending time on the Fed board and determining whether those financial institutions lived or died and acquiring insider information available only to Fed board members, those members then return to the banks as executives who set the future policy for those banks. Now, according to Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), the top six financial entities have assets the equivalent of 65 percent of the United States gross domestic product.

Those entities spend billions of dollars to lobby Congress and finance Congressional campaigns and buy Presidents (they own both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney).

While laws in Europe and Australia prevent their central bank board members from similar conflicts of interest, there are no such laws regulating Federal Reserve board members.

The Federal Reserve is a criminal enterprise that is looting the savings and investments of Americans for the benefit of a privileged elite class. Very few people understand this, even though I and others have been saying it for many years, enduring ridicule and disdain all the while. But thanks to the efforts of people like Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul in Congress, and a very few diligent reporters like Dylan Ratigan, the truth is getting into the mainstream for all to see.

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Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • DaveH

    Good stuff, Bob. Thank you.

    • FreedomFighter

      End the FED

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • GALT

        “For every subtle and complicated question there is a perfectly simple and straightforward answer which is WRONG!” H.L. Mencken

        Nothing new here, Mr. Livingston…..End the Fed is a bumper sticker, not a solution……hoarding is not a solution……gold and silver is not a solution………..drill baby drill is not a solution……..Ron Paul is not a solution, although coupling him with Bernie Sander’s is quite a pairing?

        But you may be closer to identifying the PROBLEM……which might not be a good thing given the “mythologies” that persist here and everywhere else, different one’s to sure, but “mythologies” all the same.

        The PROBLEM is “free market, unregulated, capitalism”……which requires the term “capitalism” to be DEFINED PRECISELY for it’s usage in this context………the extreme consequence of money/credit/debt economics where the final stage is the creation of “financially engineered products” whose value is completely imaginary and unrelated in any way to the “production of physical assets” except to act as a claim against them, and whose enforcement of such a claim will require a legal framework to validate, and a well armed authority to enforce. ( the government of the UNITED STATES providing the both the legal framework and the enforcement authority at this time )

        The actions of the Federal Reserve in this instance were in fact necessary to prevent from happening IMMEDIATELY, what you NOW all are claiming……is inevitable……eventually. Hopefully, your audience is of insufficient numbers to actually fullfill this prophecy, because in such an “imaginary economy” panic at this point, which got us to the edge, can easily push us over…….and while you will be able to claim to have been RIGHT, it will have been for the wrong reasons and no one will be able to hear you anyway.

        As noted, this is the final stage and because of the increase in the velocity of money, once it was in place, it took less than a decade to assert itself…….to bring us where we are.
        It was preceded by another myth, that continued growth was both possible and a solution to all the world’s problems….but what has grown is population, and the predicted problems that this would cause………this prediction seems to have been made too early, so that while it was always a valid prediction……certain technological advancements postponed the inevitable effects from being IMMEDIATE……feeding both the infinite growth myth as well as masking the unintended negative consequences of the technologies that provided the enviorment for its construction.

        This world of “illusion” is at an end…….and the past has nothing to offer except……things to avoid.

        “The most common of all follies is to believe passionately in the palpably not true. It is the chief occupation of mankind.”H.L. Mencken

        In the spirit of “limited government” and “equal JUSTICE under law”,
        Where are the common law and equity courts?

        http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=130&contentid=9559&page=2

        P.S. This link provides clues to answer the question asked. If should also be noted that in recent testimony regarding the GOA scandel before Congress the witness ” on advice of counsel, declined to answer based on his Fifth ammendment PRIVILEGE.”

      • WhatWillYouDoWithoutFreedom

        Hey Galt here is a solution. Stop people like you from wasting our time by reading long drawn out drivel that comes from short circuited minds such as yours. And yes the answer is usually very simple if you get to the source of the problem. Capitalism is the only source on this planet that will keep men free. Capitalism fails when Gov. and Institutions such as the fed. start making rules that will decide who wins and who losses and by the way at this level its not about money it’s about control. You want more regulation, that just feeds the beast that caused the problem to start with.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          WhatWillYouDoWithoutFreedom, capitalism may not be the whole solution to the problem because not all of our problems are caused by capitalism but at least our individual efforts can be rewarded under a capitalistic system which our natures require in order for us to continue to produce consistently and efficiently. We’ll probably stop producing when our efforts go unrewarded and that’s human nature which no other system is able to address. What we haven’t learned to do is to deal with greed properly.

      • GALT

        To WhatWillYouDoWithoutFreedom

        The answer is NOT SIMPLE…..End the Fed is SIMPLE and WRONG……..which simply demonstrates that you didn’t comprehend the first quote, or anything that followed…
        but thanks for sharing……

        Mr. Livingston’s headline is that the FED has been corrupted……he also identifies the source of the corruption……what he doesn’t do is define it as…..”unregulated free market capitalism” which I define……not to be confused with “private ownership of the means of production”……….which is what capitalism began as…….. just at the term liberal, use to mean “laissez- faire”………

        Now I am sorry if you found that post long and challenging, and I am going to assume that you are NOT one of those who is benefiting from the “corruption”………but it is clear that
        your opinion is easily manipulated by the use of “certain words” which you react to without thinking…….which is what this site and others like it generate, not only in the primary post, but even more so in the comments in “inspires”……..so for future reference, if you can not expend the effort to comprehend what has actually been said when you see my name….simply avoid responding to it…….clearly I have nothing to offer you…..and your soundbite wisdom will certainly be more appreciated by others who have attained the same level of intellectual achievement?

      • http://twitter.com/waitingforshoet Hadenoughalread (@waitingforshoet)

        Amen!

      • DaveH

        Our wise founders knew that Central Banks were trouble. And they kept them at bay for many decades. Central Banks go hand in hand with Government Leaders to help them fleece the citizens by creating excess money which benefits those who create it and/or get to use it first (usually Government), but hurts everybody else by depreciating the value of their money.
        Since the Federal Reserve was created (less than 100 years ago), the value of the dollar has decreased to the point where 1 dollar now can only buy what a nickel could buy in 1913. That could only have happened with negligent money creation by self-centered people who could care less about the value of Mom and Pop’s hard-earned savings.
        Somehow that doesn’t compute with certain people who use the same lame tagline over and over ad nauseam.
        No, ending the Fed would be quite appropriate for everybody but the Leaders and their Political Sycophants.
        For those who are tired of hearing Liberal ignorance and want a real education, read this book:
        http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

      • Justin Rogers

        GALT – You say “Mr. Livingston’s headline is that the FED has been corrupted”. That is not exactly correct. The headline is not explicit, but I think the implication is pretty clear that he feels the FED is and always has been corrupt, but that now that corruption is coming to light. That he also called it a “criminal enterprise” (without any kind of time-frame reference) supports this interpretation. I think that in a way you fell prey to your own beef; i.e., you oversimplified and got it wrong.

      • GALT

        HHHHHmmmmm

        “Federal Reserve Corruption Coming To Light”

        Doesn’t look like “always”…unless coming to……supported by recent evidence….means always………did you know the Federal Reserve Act was 32 pages…while Dodd Frank is 800 +…….but since you have nothing say Mr. Rogers…..which seems to be a disease here……..I’ll just leave it there……P.S. Mr Livingston is quite capable of responding….he managed “historical revisionist”……..which I found quite compelling. ( not)

        DaveH….did you mean like End the Fed, Ron Paul in 2012. and “unconstitutional”……it used to be three times for the normal mind…….kinda hard to figure out how long it will take when no minds are involved? Nice to see your getting religion though……maybe God will listen to YOU?

      • Meteorlady

        GALT – interesting choice of name though I don’t think you deserve to have it. My belief is that I work because I am rewarded. There is no other reason. Making money is honorable and honorable people make as much as they can by creating, innovating and working hard.

        The fact that the Federal Reserve has run our economy for 100 years makes me sick. AND yes, they are a corrupt organization. You only have to hear and see the testimony before congress about a little thing like a missing $2.3 TRILLION to know that they are corrupt. The recent partial audit has also revealed corruption within the central banks and the FED.

        To give me a lot of big words and condescending comments does not change my mind on the Federal Reserves role in our lives. Nor does it make me respect the IMF where, by the way we just put in more money for the European prop-up.

      • DaveH

        I meant, Galt, that people should ignore your double-speak and do some studying themselves because you are clueless.

      • GALT

        “In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.”
        ― Confucius

        For Meteorlady: One of the mysteries that confound existance is that regardless of what is actually said: people hear what they want to hear.

        I did not disagree with Mr. Livingston’s assessment…….I disgree with the “simple soundbite solutions” that persist……..after all, it becomes quite difficult to state that all government is corrupt, which is the constant theme here………and for which all manner of evidence exists to support, and then to propose End the Fed as a solution, or Ron Paul……..

        If one follows the logic that “all government is corrupt” then shouldn’t the proper soundbite be End the Government? I believe one of those distant father’s of the republic suggested that “eternal vigilance” was a prerequisite………and it would seem more appropriate under the circumstances that the solution is to “end the corruption” rather than any particular institution…….of course, that course would require a bit more individual intellectual effort than chanting “End the Fed” which probably explains WHY that approach doesn’t seem to be favored by politician’s or those who vote for them?

        I also, don’t believe Ayn Rand, made any of her hero’s “bankers” and her exploration “Capitalism: The UNKNOWN Ideal did not seek to alter the classical understanding of “the private ownership of the means of production”………..which makes your comment a bit difficult grasp regarding your implications?

        “My belief is that I work because I am rewarded. There is no other reason. Making money is honorable and honorable people make as much as they can by creating, innovating and working hard.”

        So I am a bit uncertain as to whether you believe that the “quants” and the companies that employed them, which precipitated the present “crisis” and which Mr. Livingston has identified as corrupting the FED, are being included in your definition? If the answer is NO, then you are beginning to hear, what I have actually been saying…….

        For DavidH…….that is why the following books have been offered for their edification again and again….they are all recent BTW and a title search should be sufficient to FIND them…..you, of course, can feel free to continue to “ignore” them……

        Power, INC. ; Extreme Money ; Lords of Finance ; Ratification: The PEOPLE debate the Constitution ; A Rogue History of the United States ; Debt: The First 5000 Years ; Fool Me Twice ; A Brief History of Thought.

        “The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name.”
        ― Confucius

      • DaveH

        Is that the best you can do, Galt — cite books? Have you read them? Can you enlighten us, as to what you’ve learned? I haven’t yet heard you say anything intelligent.

      • DaveH

        Here’s an example, Galt. You say — “and it would seem more appropriate under the circumstances that the solution is to “end the corruption” rather than any particular institution”.
        If you knew anything at all about Economics and the History of Central Banks, you would know that it is inherent in their existence to create unbacked fiat money through any means palatable to the ignorant public, and to use that money to support wasteful Government Spending and themselves at the expense of the rest of the citizens.
        We can’t “end the corruption” because it is at the core of the Institution. Any such attempt would just give them more time to further cook the books. It would be like trying to reform a psychopathic serial killer.
        And I suspect you know that, Galt. My guess is that you’re an administration shill. You’ve shown no sign at all of having read the many suggested books and articles that would have awakened you if you were indeed an information seeker. I think you are here, like many of the other Progressive posters, as a misinformer attempting to divert Freedom Loving people from learning reality.
        If you weren’t a Decepticon, why would you choose the moniker of Galt, the protagonist who was the counterpoint to the collectivist social and economic structure depicted in Atlas Shrugged, when in fact you are anything but that?
        As I said before, anybody who reads the books that I’ve linked to will realize that your comments are just double-speak.

      • GALT

        DavidH……of course I have read them, and I am capable of both transmission of what was in them…..as well as extrapolation from them…..the definition of “free market unregulated capitalism” is very specific and “original”….

        Now I hate to burst your bubble, but almost everything you think you know about anything is WRONG……….and it’s not that you don’t make sense from time to time, the problem is when you do…..it’s like a blind rabbit finding a carrot in the CARROT PATCH……

        Clearly, you have a closed mind……which is probably based on concerns for whatever it is that you imagine your perceived rational self interest is…….and on this site, you are an insider……which is clear because you waste a lot of time trying to eliminate those that oppose you…..or worse, those you IMAGINE oppose you……

        For me you are a waste of time…….so do yourself a favor, go to Bob’s book reviews and read what he wrote regarding Buckminster Fuller……and then consider the fact that every one of those books……is of the same caliber…..they will turn YOUR head, up side down and challenge everything you think you understand……or know.

        I am simply asking you to think……if you can not take the time to actually comprehend what I have written……I have no reason to respond to you……my posts are not addressed to you….or anyone else here except the “author”………what they are here for is somewhat questionable……but I do believe, they are quite capable of responding, if they want to…..

        So, unless you can manage something of substance regarding what I HAVE written…in your own words……you will be ignored…..or cited for the logical fallacies, you continually believe represents intelligent argument……I do SOLUTIONS….which requires actually understanding what the PROBLEM IS!!!!!!!!! Bye now.

    • Victoria

      “And the walls came down”, this is just the tip of the iceburg. Follow the money all the way to the top. Patiently sit and watch.

    • http://factnotrhetoric.wordpress.com factnotrhetoric

      ActOfWar.US.com is the start of a site to document the Federal Reserve Bank’s Declaration of War on the Americans through counterfeiting.

      • DaveH

        Start? They’ve been doing it for almost 100 years now.

      • http://factnotrhetoric.wordpress.com factnotrhetoric

        This whole mess is caused by a $16.2 Trillion Dollar Counterfeiting Scheme by the Foreign Owned and Operated Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

        There are only $9.2 Trillion US Dollars in the entire world.

        In April and May of 2009 the federal reserve pretended to have $16.1 Trillion Dollars in their Vaults and then SWIFT Wired $16.2 Trillion Counterfeit Dollars out of the US to themselves and called it a Bank Bailout. Where the money ended up was in the pockets of the Bushes, the Clintons, the Obamas, George Soros, Biden, Romney and their “Organized Crime Syndicate D”. “D” stands for DICTATORSHIP.

        $16.1 trillion fake US Dollars were SWIFT Wired and dumped into where the FBI and the Secret Service have no jurisdiction. The British House of Lords is trying to identify and stop this fake, counterfeited US Dollars. They don’t want them dumped on Europe.

        This is the largest attack on America that America has ever experienced, and it is not with bullets, it’s through COUNTERFEITING $16.1 Trillion Dollars. The effect will be devastating, by tripling the Total US Money Supply to $25.3 Trillion Dollars.

        In plain terms, there are now three times as many dollars out there, bidding to buy that one gallon of milk. So milk will triple, so will all food, all clothing, all homes, all cars, all schools, and all gasoline.

        Tripling the Total US Money Supply equates to 300% inflation.

        But counterfeiting $16.2 Trillion Dollars is a Really Stupid DECLARATON OF WAR ON ALL AMERICANS by this Organized Crime Syndicate D. If it goes undetected and not prosecuted, it will destroy America and replace our Democracy with an Organized Crime Syndicate Dictatorship where the Organized Crime Syndicate owns the oil under the ground, the drug trafficking, the utility companies, the gold in the mines, eliminates all privately owned guns, owns all taxes, owns the media and have control of the LARGEST MILITARY BUDGET THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN.

        GALT is right in much of what he said but I picture GALT as a person bending over and stuck in a position to “kiss his own ass goodbye”.

        I disagree with GALT’s position. I am going to go down fighting and so is Bob Livingston. First you need proof and need to learn who the enemy is.

        ActOfWar.US.com is a summary site to get your feet wet

        TheWhiteHatsReport.com names dollars and amounts of this fake money that went to the members of the Organized Crime Syndicate like the Bushes, the Obamas, the Clintons, George Soros etc. etc. etc.

        Lord James of Blackheath’s Speech to the House of Lords on February 6, 2012 shows how Europe is confronting this counterfeiting attack from the Foreign Owned Federal Reserve Bank.

        The video of Lord Jame’s Speech is at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaA-5_IjkeE
        The transcript of the speech is at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/81988787/Transcript-of-Lord-James-2-16-2012

        And Bob Livingston, do not ignore prosecuting this Organized Crime Syndicate. It’s done by overturning one rock at a time.

      • MAP

        factnotrhetoric, what you say is very interesting. If I can find the time, I would like to research some of what you write. I am no economist. In fact, no offence to those that are believers, but I view economics as a pseudo-science, much like the social sciences. I recently saw a video where a bureaucrat from the Bush administration, who was present at the bail-outs and witnessed the whole thing, declare that the entire charade (the economic downturn) was purposely orchestrated with the intent to utterly destroy the middle class. There would certainly appear to be a massive conspiracy under way, and global in nature. The emergence of our first full-blown communist president being a part of it. These are dark times. And will become far darker before it is over. Thanks for sharing.

      • MAP
    • Pat

      For a quick education on the Fed, the book “The Creature from Jekyll Island” by Edward Griffin tells you the evil story in the first hundred pages or so… the crimes started almost 100 years ago and have run rampant since then. Ron Paul has been warning people about this for years, but no one in goverment is listening.

  • s c

    Utopians, the Fed is a PRIVATE CORPORATION. It is a MONEY MONOPOLY. Where are you, you miserable, Amerika-hating slimers? The Fed is REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH on steroids. The Fed wants your kids in perpetual servitude. HOW can you SOBs think you serve a purpose when we’ve been trying to make you WAKE UP?
    You hate the TRUTH, don’t you?

  • Sirian

    Very good Bob, the more people read, the more they will finally understand. I have personally passed out over twenty copies of “The Creature from Jekyll Island” and the understand level has grown and grown. The more people know about the Fed, the masters of fiat thievery, the life span of it shall be shortened. Thanks again Bob, great article.

  • Vigilant

    Excellent article, Mr. Livingston.

    It is indeed a shame that so few in America understand the depth to which the greedy tentacles of the Fed are embedded in fabric of our daily lives. There can be little doubt that the coming financial tsunami, that which will make this recession look like child’s play, will be the direct result of the insane monetary policies of the Fed, combined with the profligate fiscal irresponsibility of the socialist venture.

    Projections seem to indicate that the BIG crash will come within the next two years.

  • http://http sean murry ILLIN

    No wonder we are broke with these crooks in office.

  • http://personalliberty.com/2012/04/20/federal-reserve-corruption-coming-to-light/?eiid= William L Collins

    and all you people thank RON PAUL was nuts for saying he was going to shut down the fed, reserve he has been telling this for thirty years and you still want to put Obama back in Or Romney in why not put some one in that they can’t buy off I’ll vote RON PAUL

    • Linda

      You are so right. The problem is people don’t want to believe it. they think again that for some reason our government is going to take care of us. That is the problem. People want the government to take care of them instead of standing up and taking care of themselves.

      There is a conspiracy but people don’t want to believe it. I tried talking to one of my friends about it and she told me if I believe in that than she is worried about me. She thinks it can’t happen.

      One more term of Obama and we will be a communist country. If I could convince my husband I would move to Canada. But then again it won’t matter because it isn’t just about the US.

      People do not realize that we were sold out a long time ago. this has been going on for quite some time now. Obama is just the puppet to this whole thing. bush was so bad that people voted for him just to get Bush out of office. It was a ploy.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Linda, your point is well put. If my neighbors, who have an active interest in what I do, doesn’t care about me then how much less does an evil organization like the fed. and the corporate government it owns care about me?

        For all of those out there who believe our criminal government cares: beware as they are like drug dealers who pass out freebies in order to get you hooked. Once hooked you’ll have to return to them to get your next fix but this time it won’t be for free. There is no other dealer in town that can do what we gave them the right to do. Now we have to pay for this oversight either by becoming their slaves or by fighting their tyranny.

      • DaveH

        Well put, Katrael.

  • LAB

    Yes, the big crash is coming…the crumbling has been going on for the last 5!!! Starting in 2007 when dummycrats took over this f’ng country!!! THUGS and THIEVES!!!

  • dan

    shhhh….don’t wake the wage slaves from thier dreams of retirement payed for by the ponzi-scheme …. redistribution of wealth promised them if they just went along with socialism overseen by the wise and benevolent Fed masters

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      I like that. They are asleep but I don’t think we have to worry about waking them as they are in a drug stupor.

  • Diane

    Ron Paul ! We need Ron Paul !

  • Ted Crawford

    I have no doubts that all this is not only very true, but it’s just the tip of this iceberg! Dr. Pauls idea to dissolve the Fed. is sound. My only concern with it is, the method and timetable! Once this process is begun any misstep, even a seemingly small one, could create an economic nightmare even worse than four more years of Obama! The Congresses, up to now, have a terrible track record of handling delicate matters such as this!
    I also believe that for us to take this action without a majority of the G-20 Nations taking similar action, would be highly risky! It seems it would take at least a decade for our economy to get back up to speed. We would find it difficult to compete in the International Marketplace! If we were successful we would become an almost unchallengable economic powerhouse, however over a decade we would have at least 5 election cycles. Enough to completely change the make up of Congress. It’s possible that not a one who were there at the start would still be standing at the end!
    It’s a very daunting challange. We need to deciede if the certain risks are worth the possible gains!

    • Gary D Rhodes

      Allowing competing currencies, such as proposed in Utah, is how Ron Paul would move forward without a huge reset gamble.

    • Windrinker

      Lets just call it like it is….an international group of multi-billionaires (Bilderbergers) took over this country in 1913 and have manipulated and connived ever since to rule this country by means of our economy. They have so much money, after stealing Trillions of wealth out of this country, and it has been so lucrative and successful, that they have decided to control the world…New World Order. It just so happens that It is time for them to speed-up their efforts and go for “the big banana.”

      These individuals have so much money that they can buy the presidency and place their
      candidate of choice in the oval office. I believe that is what happened in 2008 and what is planned for 2012, so that they can deliver the crushing blow to the U.S. America is the last Nation standing in the way of their world domination.

      Americans didn’t have a choice in 1913, but we have a choice today. Abolish the rulers of this country…the Federal Reserve Bank, its owners and lackeys.

      There is NO up-side to keeping the Fed, Ted!

      The sooner it is abolished the better and it is long past-due, no matter what the cost.
      Otherwise, the Fed will be the instrument of destruction within this country….along with their lackey, the illegal foreigner they placed on the “throne of America.”

      With these all-powerful people behind him, no wonder he believes he is dictator….he is/has been..for all purposes.

      Most Americans have no idea about the immense power that has been leashed against them. These people can “buy” anyone or anything in the world..

      • chiox198

        Well said….bump!

      • Meteorlady

        Nicely said…. most believe, I guess, that they meet in private, with tight security, just to get together for dinner and a bottle of wine. The fact that any reporters or investigative journalists are run off or intimidated until the leave is beside the point.

    • James

      Mr Crawford you almost get it these reasons you mention are real the danger is real but the rules of success and failure are real and unchanging. The easiest way to insure failure is to do nothing the next surest way to insure defeat or failure is to do the SAFE thing.

      • Ted Crawford

        Sound logic there James, very sound!

    • http://Aol CommonSense4America

      If Ron Paul were elected to POTUS and he tried to do away with the Fed, he would be eliminated. The BOYS at the top of the heap have a lot of power. To bad we can’t just go back to bartering and screw them. Let them eat their money.

      • DaveH

        I doubt that they would risk turning Ron Paul into a martyr. He hasn’t got that many years left, and they would be causing a mass awakening of the populace if they did such a foolish thing.

      • Meteorlady

        Funny Kennedy signed Executive Order 11110 which would have effectivly ended the Federal Reserve system because it disallowed the government to borrow from them. He died some 6 months later just when he was getting ready to start the plan,

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

    Romney supports the Fed…..so tell me…..why is he the presumptive nominee?

    • Steve E

      Because too many people are influenced by the GOP Wholesale Brainwashing Machine.

      • independent thinker

        I must dissagree. It is the news media that have gave us Romney-Santorum and now that Santorum is out Romney. If you will reflect on the coverage the news media has given to the candidates Mr Paul has gotten less press than any other candidate. Bachman and Cain even though they are no longer candidates are mentioned in the news more than Ron Paul.

      • Steve E

        The media is the main part of the GOP Wholesale Brainwashing Machine.

      • http://naver sook young

        Sorry Steve, but the MSM is basically owned and operated by the liberals and not the GOP or conservatives. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

    • Meteorlady

      Because he stepped aside in 2008 and let McCain run. It’s always been Romney which shows how corrupt the two party system really is in this country.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA

    The best and only way to claw back most of the benefits the Federall Reserve has given to these corporations is to have the federal govt increase both income and asset taxes taxes especially if they did not demand equity at the same time as handing out financial assistance. The Federal Reserve had to pump up the deflated financial markets to avoid an implosion of the whole system but now its got to be pay day for tax payers…

    • Meteorlady

      It’s payday for every man, woman and child in this country. We will all share higher food prices, gas prices, a devaluation of the dollar, double digit interest rates (if you can find credit) and double digit inflation.

    • DaveH

      Oh sure, punish people who didn’t have anything to do with the mess and reward the Politicians, who did, with even more money. Taking money out of the hands of the people who invest most in Capital Goods (productive machinery, plants, etc.) and putting it in the hands of Government, which just consumes it, is about as ignorant a move as we could make.

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA, I’m not a financial genius but I’ve been in business for enough years now to know that what you suggest “The best and only way to claw back most of the benefits the Federall Reserve has given to these corporations is to have the federal govt increase both income and asset taxes taxes…” is a load of nonsense. I’m being kind here as I wanted to say something stronger.

      You obviously have never been in any kink of business that was successful or you would never suggest this. A couple of questions: first: where does a business corporation get it’s income from? Next: If the government does impose a tax where does the business corporation get the funds to pay it? Finally: who is it that ultimately pays those taxes?

      I’ll try to do a credible job at some answers and people with more knowledge than I have can straighten me out if I’m wrong.

      First, business corporations get there incomes from the products and services they sell. Yes they can get investment capital from the sale of stocks but, their real wealth comes from the sale of products and services.

      Second, when the government imposes a tax the business corporation has to take funds from it’s income to pay the taxes. Since a business corporation must make a profit to stay in business they have to make up the difference by increasing the cost of their products and services.

      Finally, the consumer buys the products and services the business corporation sells. Those taxes are hidden in the cost of the product so the consumer gets mad at the business for gouging them and not at the government for imposing the tax. The real point is that it’s you and me the consumer who pays all corporate taxes. All of them and not just some of them are paid by us. The only businesses that end up paying tax are the ones that go belly up because they weren’t successful at passing the tax on to the consumer. I realize that there are many reasons that businesses fail but, excessive taxes are one cause. No successful corporation will ever pay a tax it will only pass the tax onto the consumer in the form of higher prices then pass the difference to the government.

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA

        Income taxes are paid out of a proportion of the profit any businesses make after deducting all expenses whether funded by cash or non funded depreciation. All businesses and private individuals should pay taxes if they make a profit after trading or working.. I cant imagine any USA company putting capital into making widgets if all you have to do is import them from China or India where they use very much cheaper labour than even the cheapest wage rate in the USA. No bank will lend in such circumstances of stupidity unless you offer some other form of property or asset as security, as some banks might not mind if you get competed out of business by another operator who imports those similar but cheaper widgets. Some types of services cannot be imported except cheap labor from Mexico perhaps, and some specialty products or services need to be made or performed in the USA.

        Everyone needs to pay taxes to keep your economy going and its up to your representatives who you been voting in for the last 300 years to do what the majority wants them to do even if you as an individual or a group do not agree with the results.. That’s life, but some of you guys can’t accept the results of every one of your elections and continue to be bad losers when your party does not win.You act in a treasonous way with what some of you and your representative do against the good running of your elected or part majority elected government. I don’t blame you for being that way as it is the nature of men who have strong political beliefs and I myself do it sometimes too. Every time you have an election the losers complain that they could do it better and when they do win…THEY DO LITTLE to improve your economic situation.

        Taxes cannot be apportioned according to some fair sharing system…it does not work that way. , Unfortunately your economy is not structured to suddenly cut expenditure programs to counterbalance lower taxes, that instant program will put your economy into a much worse situation than your in now…it will nosedive and gold prices will rise substantially for the benefit of traders and the major holders of gold such as the Chinese.

        Those of you who might like to make more money out of such a scenario would in my opinion be unpatriotic to wish to profit from the demise of everyone else in your community IMO. i SUGGEST THERE ARE OTHER PROVEN WAYS TO MAKE THE PRICE OF GOLD SKYROCKET WITHOUT HAVING TO WRECK YOUR ECONOMY IN THE PROCESS BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE THE AMERICAN CORPORATE SECTOR. WHO WILL BE ABLE TO CAUSE THE PRICE TO RISE.

        IMO the Chinese seem to own or control most of the gold and one way to increase the price or manipulate the price of gold..is to simply close down all the gold mining operation in which they have a management control in ….how long? Maybe a month or more? Any traders out there could work out what would happen to futures prices? Example EXTRADA did it with the price of Copper many years ago by closing down some Australian copper mines…

        The reality is that your economy cannot operate without more people or corporations paying higher taxes…and so get on with it and pay more income taxes or pay more by losing everything in your financial collapse..I CANT PUT IT IN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE. iF YOU PAY MORE TAXES, THEN YOU WILL MAKE MORE MONEY AND GET TO KEEP WHAT YOU OWN NOW. LOOK AT THE SO CALLED SMART GREEKS…HOW SMART ARE THEY NOW??? DO YOU WISH TO FOLLOW IN THEIR FOOTSTEPS TOO?? JUST THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR CONTINUAL EGO BICKERING IN CONGRESS. ITS A TOTAL DISGRACE…IMO but you might think the Republicans are being clever, but i doubt it.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA, you prove my point about your knowledge of business. It doesn’t matter if the product comes from the US or China, if the good ole gov puts a tax on the business the business turns around and adds the cost back into the price of the product. Then to make matters even worse than they are we pay a sales tax on top of all of those corporate taxes that we already paid for while purchasing a product or service. Talk about a double whammy: a tax and a tax calculated on the amount of tax already paid! You don’t seem to be able to grasp that concept. Who pays for the products? You do so by default you pay the tax.

          And why is it that we have to pay a tax after we make a profit? Because you say so? So that we can have bigger and more successful government crooks? We need a government but not the giant tyrannical monster we have now. I had to ask myself a question: why is it a guy like you, who comes from somewhere outside the US, is so interested in having me and my business pay more taxes? Could it be that you plan on being one of those tyrannical elites? Or, is it that you are a leech or a cancer on society and need the the life blood of the real producers to survive?

          Your point about businesses going outside the US to find cheap labor is another issue separate from the tax issue I was writing about altogether but which has it’s cause in the level of taxes paid by employees or for employees. Here’s why labor in the US is so high: unemployment compensation, social security with its employee paid portion and the so called employer paid portions (total 12.6%, the 6.3% that the employer pays really comes out of the pocket of the employee and add to that social security’s daughters of welfare, medicaid, medicare, food stamps, AFDC), workers compensation( the cost of this can exceed 50% of pre-tax business income for some businesses), OSHA regulations that aren’t a tax but add to the cost of doing business in this country.

          Your assertion that taxes keep the economy going as if it’s a tax that creates wealth is preposterous. Everything we eat, wear, drive, live in; all had it’s beginning in the land. Without wealth produced from the land there can not be any taxes and the reason that this is true is due to the fact that you can not tax something that doesn’t exist. If I have no wealth to pay a tax with then there is nothing to tax. It all starts with the land and what comes out of it. Taxes are only supposed to be a cooperation between individuals to help provide for police, fire fighters, teachers, roads, armies, water distribution systems and other necessities that the people coming together and joining resources (taxes) makes possible but there is no need for this without the basic building blocks of society: family, farms and industry. But, what level of taxation needs to be a fact of life? 10%, 15%, 50%, 100%? Additional taxation won’t fix our current problems.

          And just what does all of this wealth that is being forced (no longer a cooperation) from the real wealth producers go to pay for? People who don’t want to work, politicians who only want to control people and a host of other wealth consuming activities that are not necessary to the survival of society? There is too much of that.

          The only way to cure a cancer or to get rid of a leech is to shut off it’s food supply. Sometimes you have to do surgery or you have to pull them off but to do that but, that’s what’s necessary for the host organism to survive. The surviving host organism can then use it’s remaining resources to heal itself once the blood suckers are gone. Being denied blood is detrimental to the parasite but it’s life saving to the host.

          There will always be a wealth as long as there are people and probably there will always be a tax to pay so there will always be a fight between the wealth sucking portion of society and the real producers. Right now I don’t think I should have to pay 50% of my hard earned income in the form of tax to support all of these leeches out there. But, the problem is that we gave the leeches control of the army so that it can come and take my wealth forcefully by gunpoint. This probably warms your leech like heart?

          Show me how paying more taxes makes me more money? Your assertion may be true if I’m one of those cancers or leeches. What you said you can’t prove. Let’s see: I already pay fifty percent of my income to taxes to one source or another and by paying seventy five percent I’ll be richer? What kind of witchcraft makes this possible? I first need to make more money before I can be richer. And this doesn’t take into account the wealth sucking actions inflation has on an economy.

          Thank you for your reply as it reconfirms what I already suspected of you: that you are clueless about business and the effects that ever increasing levels of inflation and taxation have on an economy. It will be a frightening day when this system collapses under it’s own weight, and it will. It will be the blood suckers who cry for and get higher taxes that will cause it to collapse and that will cause the untimely unnecessary deaths of millions if not billions of people world wide. This system can not sustain itself without growth. The people who promised everybody everything planed on continual growth but if you know anything about life you’d understand that there are cycles to everything including growth. The United States of America and the other countries that depend on it for growth don’t want to admit that the USA is headed into the non growth part of the life cycle. It’s unfortunate that you poor slobs in Australia are tied to a dying system and will undoubtedly suffer for it and that it is…well…sad. Suck it up and take responsibility for yourself and your own bad decisions and lack of foresight.

          I fervently pray that if you ever try to immigrate that you’ll be denied entry as we don’t need uneducated people such as yourself helping to make government policy in this country. I don’t need more people coming here and sucking blood from me or mine.

  • JC

    “I am not among those who fear the people.
    They, and not the rich, are our dependence for continued freedom.
    And to preserve their independence,
    We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.
    We must make our election between economy and liberty
    or profusion and servitude.

    If we run into such debt, as that we must be taxed in our meat and
    in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and
    our amusements, for our calling and our creeds
    as the people of England are, our people, like them,
    must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four,
    give the earnings of fifteen of these
    to the government for their debts and daily expenses;
    and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread,
    we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes;
    have no time to think,
    no means of calling our miss-managers to account
    but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves
    to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers.

    Our land-holders, too, like theirs,
    retaining indeed the title and stewardship of estates called theirs
    but held really in trust for the treasury,
    must wander, like theirs, in foreign countries,
    and be contented with penury, obscurity, exile,
    and the glory of the nation.

    This example reads to us the salutary lesson,
    that private fortunes are destroyed by public
    as well as by private extravagances.

    And this is the tendency of all human governments.
    A departure from principle in one instance
    becomes a precedent for the second;
    that second for a third; and so on,
    till the bulk of society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery,
    to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering.

    Then begins, indeed, the bellum omnium in omnia,
    which some philosophers observing to be so general in this world,
    have mistaken for the natural, instead of the abusive state of man.

    And the fore-horse of this frightful team is public debt.
    Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression.”
    – Thomas Jefferson
    (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
    Source: Letter to Samuel Kercheval, Monticello, July 12, 1816

    And there you have it.
    END THE FED

  • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

    There’s no delicate way to end the Fed. It needs to be done, and it can be done. But it’s going to take the same tactics used by Jackson, and then a few more above and beyond that.

    Read the history about what happened when Jackson challenged the Bank of the United States. The bank contracted the money supply and created a depression. In other words, they tried to put the squeeze on Jackson to get him to back down due to financial woes being experienced by the people.

    Fortunately, in his day the people were aware of where the problem was coming from. I don’t know that we’ll be so lucky this time. There are too many liberals who will eagerly blame the president during such a crisis. So the bank’s tactic might work this time, as it will most assuredly make things difficult by raising interest rates, requiring higher reserves in local banks, etc., which will tighten credit, make borrowing more costly, cause a stock market crash, and ultimately a depression. That’s what happened in the late 20s. They raised interest rates, and the entire house of cards came crashing down.

    So the Fed does need to go. But don’t think for a second that we can put down this rabid dog without getting bit.

    • Meteorlady

      I believe John F. Kennedy signed an Executive Order (11110) that would have effectively ended the Federal Reserve. I’m hazy but I think it stated that the Federal Government could no longer borrow money from them which would have put them out of business.

      I think Ron Paul could do it and do it well. He has a great understanding of that institution.

      • Windrinker

        Yes, and JFK was murdered six weeks later.

        The owners of the Fed Bank are not going to give up their strangle hold on this country without a fight..They are the real “shadow government” that controls us.

        We will never be free and masters of our own fate until we get rid of these powerful adversaries. Right now, “they own us.”

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Good description: shadow government. That shadow government has an extreme direct control over what happens to us even though it’s a shadow. Maybe a better description would be a “clandestine government” or a “secret government”? What ever it is, most people don’t recognize it for what it is and have no idea that they need to do anything about it. Yes, they won’t go down without a fight.

      • DaveH

        The case for Gold:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Ron%20Paul/Case%20for%20Gold.pdf

        Thank you Mises Institute.

      • arizbill

        To Meteorlady. If Kennedy signed a bill to eliminate the Fed why is it not eliminated?

      • Meteorlady

        AZ – because LBJ took office and never enforced it. It’s not a law or constitutional amendment it’s just an EO.

  • runstowin

    Voting in national elections is of course, an act of impotence.

    • Ted Crawford

      It’s better to have fought and lost than to never have had the courage or personal sense of responsibility to fight at all!

      • runstowin

        Voting for a candidate selected for us is an abject exercise in impotence, it is not fighting, it is abdicating your responsibility to fight.

    • Meteorlady

      Not if there is a concerted effort via email and the interenet to write in a Candidate….. By-pass the two party system.

  • don

    ron paul would have to watch his but if he made president. i read somewhere that john kennedy wanted to shut down the federal reserve. i have a feeling that the big boys with all the power were behind his killing. they say it was communists, mob, and i’m sure they came up with a few more suspected groups. we all know johnson had ties to big money by expanding the veit nam war and a lot of companies building huge wealth supplying the war with war materials. who knows some of these jackals would probly try to snuff ron paul. right now they are silencing him. with all the glorifying of chosen candidates in the elections the elects are made into something like beauty padgents. voters fall for it. i.ve been paying a lot of attention to politics since the “92″ elections when the only choice we had was the same thing in clinton and bush,the same type of candidites we have in this election. i woke up after that. all owned by big banks, big business and big money. i don’t think people don’t realize the vote can beat big money. people think that what we have now will never change and we’re stuck with everything that happens in the present. get rid of the wealth generated beauty padgent elections and vote. the only wealth backed candidate was ron paul this time but big money made sure he was shut out by media. i wish he would go independant and the fooled voters would put him in. then go to work on congress. check out the “obama deception ‘ online. they talk abou the elitist backed presidents of the past. i believe it goes back to ike or further. i don”t think kennedy was in onbeing with this bunch. it might go furthe back than that. common people, wake up.

    • Ray

      Don, I agree with you. Kennedy was going to sign a bill to do away with the federal reserve. Executive Order 11110 was going to do away with those bunch of crooks. See this http://web.archive.org/web/20041015152049/www.jfklibrary.org/exec_orders/eo11110.html
      Kennedy’s assassination was a warning to all future presidents or anyone else who would try to mess with the BIG money boys.

      • Wyatt

        It would seem that way Ray . I have long thought Kennedy was killed by people within his own party, or at least with their knowledge. All because he was halting the agenda of the Liberal faction who were trying to turn us into a communist nation . Slowly , The Democrats have been moving us closer and closer . This clown running the country now is rushing us head long in to it . The Buffet rule ? Yes , take all our money so he and his cronies can all belly up to the Buffet

      • Meteorlady

        I believe that Kennedy did actally sign this bill and he was dead 6 month later? Seems such a coincedence….

  • sesame

    Why the surprise? The Fed was set up to protect the banks at time of economic disaster. It just did what it was designed to do. As for the movement of personnel between the Fed and the Banks, such movements are true of all branches of government, starting well before Eisenhower warned. about the Military-Industrial complex That was just the first of these arrangements that the public knew about. Of course now, we have the Military, Industrial and Academia Complex. The careers of all the top people involve experience in at least two of these organizations. Oh. and don’t forget Big Pharma, the FDA, and the American Medical Association. And where do retiring Senators go? They become lobbyists for the Big corporations or work on legislation and politics in the Think Tanks. Where have you all been? Welcome to The Establishment!

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear sesame,

      No surprise here. I’ve writing these things since 1969.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • http://twitter.com/lucitee4 Luci Tomlin (@lucitee4)

        THANK YOU, Bob! Like you said, most Conservatives saw the ineptitude of this interloper from the START! I grew up in the Church and was often the “victim” of a backwoods country hot-head posing as a Minister! HIGH on moonshine and his ego, he could preach a “serman” non-stop for hours! Since CHURCH was the entertainment center, these loud, divisive, condemning and brow-beaters had the sainted women rolling in the aisles in ecstacy! This was the ONLY time they were allowed to “express” themselves without being repremanded by their husbands! 0′Bama kinda, but not QUITE, makes me homesick
        for the good ole’ days and memories of hot summers, tent revivals with sawdust floors and FLIES!

  • Steve E

    The best thing for any individual to do is to stock up on gold and silver. No one knows exactly when the monetary crash will come, but it will come suddenly. Those that have precious metals will be king and will be able to trade for goods without buying a wheel barrel to carry their cash. Also, keep your precious metals hidden so the government cannot confiscate it.

  • http://twitter.com/lucitee4 Luci Tomlin (@lucitee4)

    Despite what a LOT of people BELIEVE, the FEDERAL RESERVE is NOT a Government ENTITY! The ONLY ones they answer to is the WORLD BANKS! And WHO “OWNS” the
    Worlds BANKS and has UNQUESTIONED, NON-TRANSPARENT, and TOTAL CONTROL? The OIL RICH, MULTI-BILLIONAIRE Barons in the radical, rebel, MIDDLE Eastern Countries! Their citizens have NO say in what happens to them, but are used like SLAVES! Ruled by DICTATORS and THEIR LAWS! What is their most useful(To THEM)CREATION? YOU DECIDE! Do WE want to be OWNED by these Dictators? Do we REALLY want to be “taken over” by a foreign force that ONLY WANTS our wealth, resources, assets, property and our FREEDOM! And another four years of THIS present occupant in our White House, and we WILL BE! PREPARE for it! November, “DECIDE” to VOTE CONSERVATIVE THIS time and send their CREATION back HOME! Conservatives WILL, but we NEED the votes of the Conservative DEMOCRATS and INDEPENDENTS as WELL! Help save our beloved Country!

  • jake

    if anyone really wants to clean up the federal reserve and the corruption that has been hidden since 1913, put ron paul in charge.

    • Meteorlady

      I totally agree and that is why the mainstream media tries to ignore him or make him out as either a nutcase activist or a far right crazy. He is in fact probably one of the last great, truly great, representative and statesman we will ever see.

      The only person who has stood fast and told the truth. Too bad people can’t comprehend what’s coming.

  • Armyblue

    “no means of calling our miss-managers to account.” We are basically slaves in this country, and too far in debt to change things.

    • Windrinker

      Armyblue, it is NEVER too late! As long as there is a breath left in freedom loving Americans, there will be those seeking God given rights and individual freedom.. That huge debt needn’t stand in the way…of securing this country IF Americans want to do it.(instead of waiting for someone else to come along and do it for them.)

  • Rafael

    An article by Frank Shostak concluded that, “contrary to Bernanke, his loose policies didn’t save the US economy from a depression but have instead damaged the process of real wealth generation.
    Bernanke’s loose policies have provided support to bubble activities, thereby destabilizing the economy. So in this sense his policies have saved the bubbles, thus undermining wealth generators.
    This runs the risk that at some stage the United States could end up having a stagnating or worse, declining, pool of real savings.
    Over a prolonged period of time the policies of these countries (an ever-growing government and central-bank involvement in the economy) have severely damaged the heart of economic growth — the pool of real savings.”

    • Meteorlady

      Next bubble – college loans. Stay tuned…. once again we will be asked to bail out those that borrowed irresponsibly…..

      Then the US dollar will be unseated as the world reserve currency and it will plunge. We are truly slave to the world banking elites.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        There are two guilty parties in the Student Loan Debacle: Lenders and Borrowers. Now, since the good ole boys aint getting their money back then maybe it is time to forgive the ones that they’ll never see a nickle from and then make it where they can’t secure debt until they somehow display credit worthiness. We used to have such a thing as bankruptcies to relieve the strain so that a person could get their life back on track. Why is it the Fed is the only corporate entity that a person or even another corporation can’t go bankrupt against?

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        The US Dollar is going to fall as the world’s reserve currency and that is just a matter of time. I hate it but it’s true.

  • Nancy in Nebraska

    I am absolutely FOR doing away with the fed. I’ve been doing a lot of reading on what they are and what they do. Here’s my question; at this point in time, how would we replace the fed? Our government no longer has enough gold to go back to a gold backed currency. We are so far in debt and continue to accrue debt at a rate that is astounding. The dollar is very close to losing it’s status as the international monetary unit. Many countries are already trading in currencies other than the dollar. So right now, how could we do away with the fed and what kind of currency should be put into place? Anybody have any ideas on solutions?

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      What?!? No ideas? Me neither. So where do we go from here?

    • DaveH

      Sure we do, Nancy. We could have a real gold standard like used to be common before the Bankers and Government caught on to the easy way to fleece the citizens with fiat money. The new dollar (or whatever they want to call it) would be declared as being worth X grains of gold (1 grain of gold is currently worth about $3.75). Then with that as a standard, for small transactions silver could be used with an exchange rate (e.g. 50 to 1) set maybe once a week or month or year. Then the merchants could accept weight denominated silver coins with known current exchange rates. With the computer technology we have now, it would be a snap for them to convert from the new dollars to how many ounces of silver you would need to pay your bill if you had silver coins. The same would be true for the lesser valuable metals which the consumers and merchants could work out between them as to what they would accept as money.
      People could also put their gold in warehouses (banks) that they trusted, and trade notes from trustworthy banks giving the holders the right to redeem them for Gold. Only, those banks would be guilty of Fraud and appropriately punished if they fraudulently issued more notes than they had Gold to back them up.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Ahhh but, we don’t have the gold to do it. We (the government) have divested ourselves of our gold. We can’t get the gold because we are broke!

      • DaveH

        Since when did being broke stop the Government from spending? Besides, the Government shouldn’t even be involved, other than declaring the ratio of Gold to the new dollar.
        Banks would become what they should be — warehouses for real money with real value. And as I said they could issue paper money for convenience, but it would have to be fully backed with their vaulted assets, for anybody that wanted to redeem their paper notes. But the banks wouldn’t be limited to holding Gold. They could choose to hold other precious metals in addition to Gold, which considering their volatility might be a little riskier than Gold, but it would certainly be much less risky than paper money (which can be printed at will by the Federal Reserve) and the Fractional Banking System.
        Whatever course the Banks choose, they should be held to the same Fraud rules as any other business. If they tell their customers, for instance, that their notes are exchangeable for Gold, then they better damn well be.
        The new dollar would be denominated in Gold, but that would not preclude people from using other precious metals as money, they just would be subject to market forces and their values relative to the gold dollar would fluctuate somewhat.
        Read this book, Nancy, and I think you will get a clearer picture of what I’m talking about:
        http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

    • Meteorlady

      Some states have passed laws and have their own currency right now. Another way is to end the “guaranteed” loans to banks that have bad business practices. I’m tired of bailing these guys out and I believe it’s a scam of monumental proportions. Research the Savings & Loan bailouts of the 1980′s – this is it again only this time they took us to the brink and are using our money (devaluation/inflation) to get the economy back so they can build it up and do it again.

  • Dave

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEZfMruLMSI&feature=relmfu

    If you want to know about the FED and learn how you are being ripped off watch this history of the FED

  • Dave

    France invented the guillotine to deal with the Aristocrats.

  • Dave

    What is really scary is that the government is building a army to use against the people and putting all the pieces into place now so resistance will be futile.

    • http://Wildeyguns.com Wildey

      Dave, You know Hitler did just that. His army to defeat any voice against him came from his own country and consisted of Germans. There’s a lesson in that. We must educate and enlighten the ignorant to our side, not create soldiers for the godless socialist running America.

      Lenin told his generals to change the definition of words and create new words. He said people think in words and how they interpret words is who they are. We’re living with peoples definition of words, mainly moral, immoral and amoral and its 180 degrees out of whack.

      Interestingly, Hitler was a genius when it came to economics. He froze the peoples wages and let prices go where they may. He reasoned that prices would have to fall to where the people could buy. In three years he turned the economy around and then his pride ruined him and his country. He did not have any banking ties with anybody. Oh! Pride is the sin of Satan.

  • L

    KEEP UP THE REPORTING ON THE FEDERAL RESERVE,A BUNCH OF THIEVES. TAKING OUR MONEY NOW BEFORE THEY ARE FIRED. GOOD JOB,DYLAN.

  • George

    We need Ron Paul. Expose the generational, international cartel of thieves.

  • http://t3ess.wordpress.com Problems at the bank

    Trust failing between elites
    This is just a short personal story, but it happened to me when my wife and I went to cash our tax refund check. (It was this month, April, 2012) First, here is a bit of background. My wife and I have been married for 13 years. Having had previous marriages, we have had our own personal issues with trust. As a result we have separate checking accounts and generally keep our finances separate. So, we filed our joint tax return and go, in person, to the bank (her bank, Wells Fargo) to cash our refund check for $181.
    The teller says we cannot cash the check, it must be deposited. We want to cash the check, not deposit it. The reasons for this policy start tumbling out. The bank has had too many problems with fraud. We start to object. My wife does not want this transaction to show in her checking account. The teller goes to the supervisor. Still no go. Same discussion. The two of them go and get the manager, who is very talkative. He announces, in a loud voice, that he is going to bend the policy and allow us to cash the check, but does not stop there.
    He goes on to explain all about the process and the problems and the liability, etc. But this is what caught my attention. Notice this. After we deposit the check we will have to wait for the check to clear before we can use the funds. No matter what the balance is in the checking account, which was more than adequate. I have several problems with this whole episode, but one of the big ones is the evident fact that the bank did not trust the IRS for a $181 check.

    • Gary

      Our bank, Wells Fargo did the same thing, but with a SS check. They did not say it but it was implied that just because the check came from the govenment does not mean that it will be a good check. Never had that happen before.

    • Meteorlady

      The Social Security administration is requiring electronic transfers now…. In other words you don’t get a check to even cash…… so where is the “real” money?

  • http://www.petters-fraud.com/DOJ_Cover_UP.html laserhaas

    JFK did sign a Law to End the Fed
    7 days later the Fed ended him.

  • arizbill

    The article said, “Those entities … own both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney.” Has there ever been a President they didn’t own????

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      arizbill, yes there were presidents that the Federal Reserve Corporation didn’t own and these where the ones prior to it’s creation in 1912. Woodrow Willson was our last original jurisdiction president. This country was going to default on it’s loans to what is now the IMF and in that secret meeting at Jekyll Island the real government sold itself and all of its assets to the Federal Reserve Corporation who promptly re-incorporated Washington DC and it’s this corporate entitiy that now owns the Senate and the POTUS. We the people have entered into contract with this corporate entity who now owns our corporations which we formed when we entered into contract with them. The real reason we can’t win in tax court is due to corporate law because we voluntarily entered into a contract with with our new corporate gov and are now required by our contract to pay a certain amount of our federal reserve notes we earn to them which are only rented from the Fed Res to begin with.

      There is no way to win this game individually in our corporate courts because those courts and the corporate government that they serve were created of by and for the corporation.

      Enough people have to wake up to legally return this country to it’s rightful owners who formed a government that was of by and for the people. The problem? There aren’t enough people who understand the law to do this or that what I described above even happened to them. I don’t even know that they would even care if they knew? I don’t think they could even believe that such a thing could happen: that they would sell out themselves and their children to this corporate monster and that we have sentenced our children to be it’s slaves.

      • moonbeam

        Actually, the rightful owners of this country are the Native American Indians. Shout out to the people of my ancestry the Blackfoot, Cherokee and Sioux.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          moonbeam, it would be wrong to deny our history or that the native Americans where here before the white settlers came and took possesion. What can be done about the injustices that were done. This is only a question and not an opinion: what is it that you suggest should be done about what has happened in this country?

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          moonbeam, it would be wrong to deny our history or that the native Americans where here before the white settlers came and took possession. What can be done about the injustices that were done? This is only a question and not an opinion: what is it that you suggest should be done about what has happened in this country?

      • Meteorlady

        MOON – I am Sioux and we didn’t “own” land. We had no concept of land ownership so what’s your point?

    • Meteorlady

      I believe that Kennedy was the last one to challege the status quo. He was probably backed by them because they believed that he carried baggage such as his dad getting a lot of money from bootlegging enterprises, and the Kennedy men liked their women. Once in office I believe JFK was changed and found a lot of stuff out that wasn’t pleasent. He started slowing cleaning and he did sign the EO 11110. He died soon after. A warning? Maybe….

      When we got LBJ he did is dirty work quickly and did not seek office again. Something he didn’t want people to know if he actually had to run for the office? Not sure, but he started the bankrupting of this country and it continues through to this day. The death was slow for awhile and then it excellerated to where we are today. It’s get things done before the people realize it happened.

      • http://Wildeyguns.com Wildey

        Meteorlady, Kennedy had decided to do away with the Fed and even started printing United States Notes. 10 weeks later he was asassinated. Coincidence? FDR said: “When you see things happening in government, you can bet they just don’t happen. They’re planned that way”. Are we reacting to the “news” properly like good little sheep”? The only thing new is the history you haven’t read yet. I’m a hunter and fisherman. I’ve learned I have to know my prey and move at the right time. I’ve never been successful letting them call the shots.

  • nik

    The federal government employees are partying like there is no tomorrow. I have seen this before in corporations just before they go belly up. Obama wants more tax money to support this profligate spending and “investment” in white elephants like solar and wind? He could cut the bueacracies across the board 10% a year for the next five years. They know where the fat is, cut the budgets until the expenditures are matched by the revenues. But no, he wants to go after those who work hard and save, so that their offspring will be as poor as the Ghetto kids. The Fed at this point is irrevalent and we cannot go to a gold standard, talk about destroying wealth. The Fed just responds to the bad behavior of the government.

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      nik, most of what you say is true but not the part about the fed being controled by the government. It’s the other way around: the fed controls the government because the Fed is the corporation that bought out a nearly bankrupt USA lock stock and barrel in 1913 to resolve that debt. This was done at the secret meeting at Jekyll Island. The Fed is controled by the IMF who incorporated the Federal Reserve in 1912 in anticipation of this nation defaulting on it’s debt to the IMF.

  • dave

    Not surprised at the Fed’s corruption, but why site Ratigan and Angelides? They’re both radicals and part of the larger problem caused by extreme Libs. I don’t trust a single one of them, and most of them should be “machine gunned” to death for what they have done to this country. There’s a reason why Ratigan’s at MSNBC.

    • http://Wildeyguns.com Wildey

      Dave, I can appreciate your sentiments but your letting yourself get into trouble when you say machinegun them and that’s exactly what they want. You must stand taller than them. If we had a legitimate society they should be granted a judge, jury and executioner. They’ll use your words that will be repugnant to many to turn people against you. We need allies, not enemies. Sure the Federal Reserve is a private criminal organization working in concert with criminal government system. There’s overwhelming evidence of that fact. Rothschild, one of the deans of central banking said on the floor of our congress. “I care not who makes the laws so long as I control the money”. Instead of calling for a paddy wagon the congress perked their ears up.

      • DaveT

        Fear not, it’s only fantasy. As a Born Again Christian, I know full well that these destroyers will get their just do, and for all eternity – something so much worse than a quick, and mostly painless, machine-gunning. I do ‘tho have to keep reminding myself that God has it all under control.

  • http://yahoo.com tod

    Dr.Ron Paul 2012 !!!

    • Earl, QUEENS, NY

      These delusional Ron Paul supporters are such wishful thinkers!! He’s unelectable!! He can’t seem to get more than 10% of the votes in any primary. However, it is important to consider that that 10% could make a difference if this old crackpot Paul runs as a third party spoiler. He WILL lose!! And he could easily take away enough votes from the GOP to get BHO re-elected. Is that what these pro-MoRon Paul idiots really want????? I understand people’s frustrations with the GOP establishment, RINOs and moderate GOP wimps. But the solution is not a nincompoop like MoRon Paul. What we need is to repeat 1980 and 1984, when a bold outspoken conservative takes control of the party, wins two landslides, and is a success. Why repeat the mistakes of 1976, 1996 and 2008?? GET REAL!!

      • Meteorlady

        Aren’t you getting tired of cutting and pasting the same comment for different articles?

      • DaveH
      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        If Ron Paul runs as a third party (and he should), the Republican candidate will be a spoiler. If the Republicans don’t want another term of Obama, they’d best put their weight behind Ron Paul, the only candidate who will make a real difference.

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA

        If Dr Ron Paul is unellectable by republican supporters its because they are no different than the Democrates becaue they can offer to continue as before. Upshot is OBAMA might as well stay in…at least he not trying to pull the wool over the voters eyes like Mitt.

  • http://Wildeyguns.com Wildey

    The very existence of the Federal Reserve is a crime. Money, legitimate money, must be either a commodity gold, silver or anyother acceptable metal shaped to be a coin or a certificate for a said coin/s. The certificate must be worth 100% of the commodity it is repesenting. Any less would be COUNTERFEITING, whether a person does it or a government does it. Federal Reserves are created to legitimize counterfeiting by governments willing to act in criminal manners: Period

    In a legitimate society coins and certificates increase their purchasing power with the genius of the people in industry. Example: If you had Twenty $20.00 gold pieces coined yesterday you could buy a $36,000.00 automobile today. Those gold pieces were made when America’s monetary system was moral and legitimate. The Federal Reserve Notes (NOTES) we use today are criminal to the core. As NOTES they create debt to the people. When we had legitimate money, a medium of exchange, the holder owned it. Now? We’re carrying cerificates of debt no different from the note we have on our home, car or anything else we might have we had to sign a note to get.

    The Democrat Woodrow Wilson gave us the Federal Reserve but the Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt perfected it and is a mentor to the likes of the Bushs, Clinton, Obama and their ilk. There was a poem written about FDR. It’s entitled “Rejected at the Gates of Hell”. FDR is presenting his credentials to Satan for entrance into Hell and after hearing them Satan turns to FDR and says “Get out of here. If I let you in they’ll kick me out”. NOTE: The 16th Amendment creating the Federal Reserve was NEVER ratified.

  • Carol Fryer

    Oh what a surprise. In 1913 we signed away our soul and its just coming to light.

  • Carol Fryer

    Congress is mostly full of salivating fools. Watch a video of how they react when someone like Donald Trumps walks into the room. Do you think they would ever let you in????

  • arizbill

    To Katrael: Thanks for your response to my query. Since no President has ever been elected without being in the Fed’s pocket, have there been any serious contenders who were not in their pocket since the Fed was established in 1914? If not, what is the chance that any serious contenders will be forthcoming now or ever without approval of the Fed? While Ron Paul’s ideas sound good, I would love to see a description of what would happen if the Fed were immediately dissolved??? I may fear the results of that as much as I fear the results of their continuing to do what they are doing.

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      arizbill, I don’t think anybody on this post will agree with me but, I don’t know that there is an alternative to what we have now without some kind of revolution. The people are asleep and don’t understand. They are more concerned with other matters that they consider to be more important. It’s hard to blame them because much of what happened here happened behind closed doors and out of sight. Most people still think we function under the constitution but we don’t. The politicians pay lip service to it, and the supreme court dances around it. If we still functioned under it many of the programs we have now wouldn’t exist. http://www.teamlaw.net/Mythology-CorpUS.htm has a lot of information about what happened with this country and our constitution. It’s their contention that all of us can learn and apply the law and if we did we could return our country to it’s original jurisdiction. The only way that can happen is if it does so before the constitution is dumped altogether. Hope is not lost but we must act fast before it’s too late. This issue isn’t just about a bad banking system.

      • arizbill

        As a WWII Veteran I have watched Congress for many years repeal in one way or another all of the protection that the 1930′s congress put in place to see that we never experienced another Great Depression. And I watched Fed Chairman Greenspan on Cspan in the 1990′s tell Congress why he engineered a bail out of a hedge fund (was it Long Term Capital Management?), because he feared that if he didn’t the whole international banking system might collapse. And when a congressman asked him what congress could do to prevent that from ever happening, he advised that it was none of congress’ business. Then I watched again as 90 Senators in 1999 or 2000 vote to repeal the last segments of the 1930′s anti depression legislation. So I believe everything you say and what Ron Paul says, but as I indicated I perhaps fear what Ron Paul might do if he ascended to the presidency as much as I fear what I know is coming if the Fed remains in control.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          arizbill, I take it that what you’re saying is that the cure may be worse than the disease and if you are then I agree. There may be only one way to know that and that is to take the cure. Something has to be done though; there is no reason to believe that we can’t cure this particular disease. I think that the real cause of this disease is greed and nobody has invented a cure for that yet. The best we can hope for after treatment is to try to keep things in balance between those who are greedy and those who aren’t. I know one thing: I don’t have a magic cure. I believe our founders had the right idea: don’t fight human nature but to use it. That’s what our laws attempt to do however our system has become so burdened down with so many incomprehensible laws that it’s impossible to enforce them. Don’t we as a nation face the danger that the proliferation of incomprehensible and unenforceable law will eventually lead to anarchy?

          I have to admit that people who comment here about current financial laws; do so at levels that are often above my current knowledge level. I can’t argue intelligently about some things when I don’t know about them. What I see is a system that has become so complex that no man or group of men can properly control it. Too many ways for people to be sneaky; in other words no way to keep them honest. So I ask this question: does the system have to be that complicated?

          • arizbill

            Kaetrael: I’ve enjoyed reading your thoughts. You just wrote: “I take it that what you’re saying is that the cure may be worse than the disease and if you are then I agree.”
            That is exactly what I fear. We we are in total agreement on that.
            I would like to see the Fed ended BUT I’d like to hear some discourse on just what happens the day we put a lock on the Fed Bank doors and fire all the employees.
            I assume there are all sorts of promises and IOU’s spread all over the world that the Fed thinks they are going to recover on. And I also hope there are agreements from foreign governments all over the world that they are going to pay us back for all the money we’ve been printing and sending over there. What happens to the controls the Fed does enforce over our banks? Are the banks then just free to do anything they want?
            I fear that ending the Fed without a complete plan of action is as bad as congress passing Obamacare without knowing what was in the bill.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            arizbill, I’ve been in the trades for most of my life. I’m not bragging about this but what I’ve learned over the years presents solutions to my simple mind. I have no idea whether what I learned is truly relevant? I’ve encountered control systems that had become so complicated that fixing what existed made no sense. There were often too many ways that a partial fix could cause a back feed situation. This type of a problem usually came up due to too many others trying to add fixes into the existing system. I’d end up returning over and over to correct something else I couldn’t see as there was no way to understand the repercussions that somebody else’s fix had on the system. All of this was far too time consuming and counter productive. I’d end up scraping the whole mess in favor of working with the basic system and from the basic operating principals that were well understood even by somebody as ignorant as myself. I’d replace the controls with the basics and documented how I did it and this always produced the desired effect. If need, any knowledgeable person could then come and make a competent repair on what I had done. On the surface to my customers this rebuilding process seemed expensive to them as I’d eventually had to charge them for this rebuilding work. It only made sense to me since I had to return to “lick my calf” over for free. Ultimately my customers were happy because this ended their inconvenience from the constant shut downs caused by shoddy work and I’d get more referrals and return work because of it.

            Yes, some cures might even kill the patient as the cure was not a cure at all. To my simple mind we have to return to the basics of economics. All wealth comes from the land and this is what we have to start and to work with. We have to build on this and return to producing wealth. Think about it this way: You can only pay interest to someone if you have future income. If your future growth doesn’t exceed your current growth then you can’t afford to pay interest without depriving yourself. This game of playing with interest rates, tax rates and a bevy of other artificial activities which produce no wealth from the land is good for cancers and leeches but, not for the host. What we have now in this country is predicated on continued growth.

            What happens if we aren’t growing? All living things or things made up of living things go through cycles of growth and decline. Now, that living thing may be able to survive with a parasite attached to it while it’s growing and thriving but what happens to the health of the host if it’s health starts to decline because it’s diet is lacking? The host has to get rid of the parasite to survive. This is detrimental to the parasite but may be life saving to the host; that is if the host is healthy enough to heal itself with its remaining resources.

            We have to identify and eliminate the parasites. This won’t be easy as the parasite will fight to hang onto the host. Sometimes, like in the case of cancer, the patient doesn’t survive the removal of the cancer but the patient would die anyway and would not have had any chance of survival as long as the parasite was intact and growing.

            I see similarities between some of what I wrote above and how this country progressed from it’s beginning. We have to find a way to rid ourselves of the parasites non-violently. We need to tell them to go somewhere else and suck off of somebody else or change into something that produces a real benefit to our society.

    • Meteorlady

      We go back to private banks that guarantee their loans with the money they have on deposit. Not some money created out of thin air and no printing presses running.

      All the Fed does is keep ITSELF healthy by guaranteeing more money to failing bank to make them look good when audited. It’s a scam.

      They guarantee money they don’t have to prop up a failing bank that they say is too big to fail. They guarantee loans with dollars valued at today’s prices, but when the banks that need to money to shore up their bad loans gets that money, the loan out more and that causes a drop in the value of the dollar.

      So we get inflation and double digit interest rates eventually and they are sitting far and happy waiting for their next big adventure of ripping off the citizens of this country.

  • Big Jim

    Yes my friends we no longer are Americans we fight each other more and more while the Elites strip America of her greatest asset United We Stand theme which used to separate us form Evil… I am afraid for my kids reading the evil things people think and wonder where have the true Freedom Fighters gone??????????

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      Big Jim, the real freedom fighters are here and they are well it’s just that most of them may still be asleep and not aware that they need to fight. It’ll take noise and plenty of it to awaken them. It might even take some kind of a calamity to wake them up.

  • Armyblue

    Give people some value back of their poor dollar, end the FED, Bogus and corrupt.

  • ranger hall

    He who controls the money, the land, the food, the water. controls the sheep, We just keep on following the bell.
    What is the Richest Country in the world.???, Does anyone know.

    • Meteorlady

      Right now I’d have to say China. They own the most gold reserves and they control the price of gold because they are the largest producer and all gold mined there gets sold to the government. They are encouraging their people to buy gold and have set up gold shops. They are creating a sort of Federal Reserve system on their own.

      • DaveH

        China is far from the world’s richest country, Lady. The US GDP in 2008 was $14.2 Trillion. China’s GDP in 2008 was $4.9 Trillion. Sounds pretty impressive, huh?
        But China has 1300 million people, compared to the US population of a little over 300 million people. So their GDP is 1/3 of ours with 4 times as many people to share it with.
        In fact when their GDP is broken down to per capita, they don’t even make the top 100 list:
        http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/index.html

  • old hillbilly

    Might sound like old stuff, but printing money & notes to “create wealth” is as old as counterfeiting. Unlike the idiots in the Carter era, the obama group is cooking the CPI data. We’ just wake up peniless & not know why If we don’t purge the accountants with the corruption!

    Rerun of fed & treasury stuff:
    We’re living in a world of deception and chaos filled with endless statistics – a witch’s brew of convince, deceive, and then plunder. A 1965 CPI of 31.50 compared to 224.94 in 1965 says inflation WAS 714.1% and dollar purchasing power HAS deteriorated to $0.14, well on its infinite approach to zero! So it is… government officers holding offices of high honor are honored because ink on near worthless currency and debt paper says $1. No one questions the chicanery of the officers who desecrate the offices we blindly trust and believe in, because we have ink, paper, and false promises that our wealth is safe! Is paying $2.00 for a $0.28 loaf of bread a sign of the times, or is it telling you why the SSI trust fund is broke and unable to give $40,000 wage earners a check for $1,092,620 on their 65th birthday? Surely a 5% pittance return on invested money isn’t unreasonable! They never intended to pay! Removing “In God we trust” isn’t going to help. Let’s see… if government officials stole or let it be stolen, half of 300,000,000 citizens’ nest eggs, worth $1,092,620… how many zeros is… can’t count that high! What would the Romans have done to Holder, Bernanke, Geitner, and the rest of our great leaders who faithfully serve the global bankers who continue looting our country… on “lion” day?

  • http://none John W. Riley

    Please read interesting stats:

    In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh ,
    had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

    “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
    form of government.
    A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can
    vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
    From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the
    most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
    collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”

    “The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has
    been about 200 years.
    During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    From bondage to spiritual faith;
    From spiritual faith to great courage;
    From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance;
    From abundance to complacency;
    From complacency to apathy;
    From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back into bondage.”
    The Obituary follows:

    Born 1776, Died 2012
    It doesn’t hurt to read this several times.

    Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul , Minnesota ,
    points out some interesting facts concerning the last Presidential election:

    Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29
    Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000
    Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million
    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1

    Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was
    mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

    Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income
    tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…”

    Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
    “complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy,
    with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached
    the “governmental dependency” phase.

    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
    invaders called illegal’s – and they vote – then we can say goodbye to the
    USA in fewer than five years.

    If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.

    If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at
    stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom..

    This is truly scary!
    Of course we are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic .
    Someone should point this out to Obama.
    Of course we know he and too many others pay little attention to The Constitution.
    There couldn’t be more at stake than on Nov 6, 2012.

    If you are as concerned as I am please pass this along.

  • http://none John W. Riley

    So we’re all waiting for another down-grade thanks to our (USA) fiscal policies, all at the feet of the great pretender Obama! The we will start to see rumblings of losing our status as the worlds reserve currency, cause its a coming if we don’t change tracks. Vote these clowns out to include some GOP’s WE NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE

    Please read the following:

    In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh ,
    had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:

    “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent
    form of government.
    A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can
    vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.
    From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the
    most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally
    collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”

    “The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has
    been about 200 years.
    During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

    From bondage to spiritual faith;
    From spiritual faith to great courage;
    From courage to liberty;
    From liberty to abundance;
    From abundance to complacency;
    From complacency to apathy;
    From apathy to dependence;
    From dependence back into bondage.”
    The Obituary follows:

    Born 1776, Died 2012
    It doesn’t hurt to read this several times.

    Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul , Minnesota ,
    points out some interesting facts concerning the last Presidential election:

    Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29
    Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000
    Population of counties won by: Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million
    Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1

    Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was
    mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

    Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income
    tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…”

    Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the
    “complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy,
    with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached
    the “governmental dependency” phase.

    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal
    invaders called illegal’s – and they vote – then we can say goodbye to the
    USA in fewer than five years.

    If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message.

    If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at
    stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom..

    This is truly scary!
    Of course we are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic .
    Someone should point this out to Obama.
    Of course we know he and too many others pay little attention to The Constitution.
    There couldn’t be more at stake than on Nov 6, 2012.

    If you are as concerned as I am please pass this along.

    • ursine

      Thanks, John.
      You have to be cautious though with quoting Tyler (or Tytler).
      Check your sources, and look here:
      snopes.com/politics/ballot/athenian.asp
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Fraser_Tytler

  • chuckb

    john
    what are we talking about here, those statistics relate facts, however, you have to look
    at the real root of our problem. we have with the help of liberal politicians in order to feather their nest have created a united welfare states of america, this keeps them, in power and money.
    almost every city in the country is turning into a ghetto with immigrants from all over the world. not the type of immigration we need, we are receiving the welfare cases from their home countries. the liberals are welcoming them with open arms, these are potential votes, they have their troops registering them to vote about as fast as they get here. i can understand some wimpy republicans wanting to get their share, have you heard them stuttering when anyone asks them about illegal immigration, they are afraid to answer.

    these immigrants are not the highly skilled people like the europeans that came in earlier and they have no allegiance to this country and few will. we have a very large black population the liberals ruined with welfare, but, of course they have the vote. barry has opened the door for africans , the middle east and the carribean, it’s a free for all and no harm will come to them as long as they vote the bolshevik ticket.

    they tell us the blacks are 12 % population in this country, i say that is wrong, it is probably more like 25-30% and most likely more so the bolsheviks have a sizeable voting block when you include them with the regular die hard bolsheviks. so if you are wondering where the american culture has gone.

    this coming election will be a tough one and even if the country is in the throws of depression, seven dollar a gal gas (most people don’t really care, in my hometown in california the traffic is growing and i hear no complaining) barry will receive this vote and thanks to the gop they hand us a candidate like romney, hope i’m wrong but i have a feeling he’s a loser.

  • Dale283

    Here is some research I have done on the Federal Reserve
    Federal Reserve is a cartel

    These were the seven men aboard that railroad car who were at Jekyll Island. Amazing as it may seem, they represented approximately 1/4 of the wealth of the entire world. These are the men that sat around the table and created the Federal Reserve System. the Federal Reserve has been operating right under our feet; this cartel has been running and we didn’t even know it because that fact has been carefully concealed from us.
    Conclusion number 2 about the Federal Reserve System, a very important thing that we didn’t know is the cartel. There’s even more to it than that. Perhaps the third ingredient is the most important of all and that is the realization that this cartel went into partnership with the
    government. Now we have hold of something extremely significant. Cartels often go into partnership with governments because they need the force of law to enforce their cartel agreement but in this case they did it in spades.
    So we need to ask the question what is the benefit, the payoff, for these two partners? Why did they go into it? Why did the government go into a partnership like this and why does the banking cartel? In answering those questions we finally come to grips with the reality of what this creature from Jekyll Island is. Let’s take a look at that; what’s the payoff to these two partners? In order to see that we’ll have to examine in some detail the mechanism by which the Federal Reserve System creates money. This is a real interesting study. I call it the “Mandrake Mechanism” named after that comic-book character of the 40s, Mandrake the Magician, who could create something out of nothing and then wave his cape and it was back into the void again. That’s a pretty descriptive phrase for the way the Federal Reserve System does it. Let’s take a look at it and see how they create money through the Mandrake Mechanism. Here’s how it works. It starts with the government side of the partnership, it starts in Congress which is spending money like crazy. It spends far more money than it takes in. It is spending way
    beyond its income. How can it do that? Basically this is what happens. Let’s say Congress needs an extra billion dollars today so it goes to the treasury and says “we want a billion dollars” and the treasury official says “you guys have got to be kidding, we don’t have any money here, you spent it all a long time ago, everything that we’ve taken in taxes you fellows have spent by March.” Congress says “we thought that was true but we thought we’d stop by just in case somebody sent some more in.” We’ve all heard that these loans are backed by the full faith and credit of the US government. They’re not quite sure what that means but it sure sounds good.
    I’d like to explain for you who are in doubt what that means. The full faith and credit of the US government means that the government solemnly promises to pay back that loan plus interest if it has to take everything you and I have in the form of taxes in order to do it, it’s going to do it. It will take everything we have if necessary to hold its pledge. People don’t realize that they’re
    putting themselves on the line, they’re going to get their own money back minus a substantial handling fee.
    Plenty of money is loaned to the government but never enough. Congress needs more money than that. They say not to worry. They go further down the street to the Federal Reserve building. The Fed has been waiting for them, that’s one of the reasons it was created. By the time they get inside the Federal Reserve building the officer of the Fed is opening his desk drawer. He knows they’re going to be there and he’s ready and he pulls out his checkbook and he writes a check to the US Treasury for one billion dollars or whatever the amount is that they need. He signs the check and gives it to the treasury official.
    We need to stop here for a minute and ask a question. Where did they get a billion dollars to give
    to the treasury? who put that money into the account at the Federal Reserve System? The amazing
    answer is there is no money in the account at the Federal Reserve System. In fact, technically,
    there isn’t even an account, there is only a checkbook. That’s all.

    That billion dollars springs into being at precisely the instant the officer signs that check and that is called “monetizing the debt,” that’s the phrase they throw at you. That means they just wrote a check, a big rubber check. If you and I were to do that we would go to jail but they can do it because Congress wants them to do it. In fact, this is the payoff, this is the benefit to the government side of this partnership, this is how the government gets its instant access to any amount of money at any time without having to go to the taxpayer directly and justify it or ask for it. Otherwise, they would have to come to the taxpayer and say we’re going to raise your taxes another $3,000 this year and of course if they did that, they would be voted out of office real fast.
    Politicians like the Mandrake Mechanism because it’s a no questions asked source of money. You may have noticed that it’s been many years since Congress has even discussed what anything costs, it’s not an issue. It doesn’t make any difference what the cost is because regardless of the overrun they know they can go down the street to the Federal Reserve and by law the officer has to write that big check and give it to them and they’re off and running.
    There in a nutshell is the reason the government likes the Mandrake Mechanism–easy instant access to any amount of money of any kind without the taxpayer being involved directly in the loop. But what about the banking side? This is where it really gets interesting. Let’s go back to that billion dollar check. The treasury official deposits the check into the government’s checking account and all of a sudden the computers start to click and it shows that the government has a billion dollar deposit meaning that it can now write a billion dollars in checks against that deposit which it starts to do real fast.
    The Government spends the money. Payroll or what ever. The employee takes the money to the bank for deposit. The bank in turn uses fractional banking to take the money and loan it back out. The Federal Reserve requires 10% in reserve. The bank keeps $10.00 out of $100.00 in reserve and loans out 10 times that amount or $900.00. This is the Mandrake Mechanism. Who gets screwed? the tax payer. We have to pay back the the money created out of thin air. Then you wounder what causes inflation.

    Let’s summarize. What is the benefit to the members of the partnership? The government benefits because it is able to tax the American people any amount it wishes through a process which the people do not understand called inflation. They don’t realize they’re being taxed which makes it real handy when you’re going for re-election. On the banking side they’re able to earn perpetual interest on nothing. I emphasis the word “perpetual” because remember when the loan is paid back it’s turned around and loaned out to somebody else. Once that money is created the object of the bank is to stay “loaned up” as they say. In reality the banks can never stay 100% loaned up and that ratio varies a lot but the objective is to stay loaned up to whatever extent is possible.
    Generally speaking once this money is created in the loan process it is out there in the economy forever, perpetually earning interest for one of the members of the banking cartel which created that money.

    Let’s stand back from the creature a few paces and take a look at its general form and shape and see what it is we got. We got a corporation chartered by Congress which was given an exclusive franchise to create our nation’s money supply. We got a mechanism whereby Congress has been able to raise unlimited taxes from the American people without them even knowing that they’re paying a tax and we got a mechanism whereby the banks can earn perpetual interest on nothing. That is the shape and form of the creature from Jekyll Island.
    The Federal Reserve System gets an A+++ on all of these points and it has surely been a huge
    success in terms of the people who created it.

    Actions have consequences and one of the consequences of this scam is what we call a “national debt.” Its rapidly approaching 5 trillion dollars that we know about, it’s much higher than that if you include the unfunded debt and all of the things that are off-budget and all of the funny stuff that they do with the accounting in Washington. With all honest accounting you’d find it was much, much higher than that.
    But even at 5 trillion dollars it’s a staggering figure. I’m told if we had a stack of $100 bills about 40 inches high we’d be a millionaire. A stack of $100 bills equaling 5 trillion dollars would rise into space 3,350 miles. That’s a lot of money and it all came from us and it’s earning perpetual interest.
    Another way of measuring that is that we’ve had a known inflation of 1,000% since the Federal Reserve System was created. Another way of phrasing that is that a dollar in 1913 today buys about nine cents worth of goods. That’s how much money has been taken from us, taxed from us, through this hidden process.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA

    Purely for debating purposes….I’m going to put it to other readers that your “Federal Reserve are the crooks you need to keep to keep your economy in the black while doing what Madoff did for so many years for himself” What happened when his game was up? Do you all want the same to happen in your economy? or do you have a quick fix?

  • James

    Our problemhere is not the Federal Reserve banking system, it’s the men in Congress who passed the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. Until that Act is repealed, the Fed will continue to bamboozle and fleece us with their fancy paperwork. If our money system was based upon gold and silver, as the Constitution requires, we wouldn’t need banks.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA

    KATRAEL, A great deal of what you say is totally correct that wealth usually comes from unfetted free enterprise, HOWEVER the corruption within government of offering contracts to many corporations using government tax revenues has put your and many other nations in deficit from , THEY ARE LIVING OFF TAXES TOO. CORPORATE WELFARE IF YOU WILL. Those corporations who rely on government contracts for military purchases and roads and other essentials are not living directly of free enterprise activities. And many of your unemployed are living on government welfare so they can purchase food from your farms. So do you wish taxes to reduce after stopping food stamps and social welfare or stop money for roads or military wages?

    Americas problems seem to stem from a belief that no one should pay taxes and that all government departments should close down except for the military and the police. No one wants to pay any tax and Republicans supporters most especially dont want to share their wealth with anyone. They believe that they have worked hard using their skills to build and operate a business which is earning them an income and profit and why should they have to share that with others and strangers at that, as afterall our profits are due to our hard work and skills at using cheap labor in America or the Asian countries and not due to government policies or the poorer being given money to buy our food and goods using food stamps.

    Oh No, our businesses run independantly to the American economy and we dont need others to steal our money through taxation. We want the lazy unemployed masses to beg and sleep under bridges or the streets and not be supported by government handouts. We want poor americans to camp out in our bus stations and parks and beg for food and if they get too desparate and dare to try to steal food then the police can put them in concentration camps where they can earn their keep and food by breaking rocks for road construction companies who charge tolls for using their roads. Why should your poor be offered work for a reasonable wage if we can employ workers from China at $1 per hour. We only want to sell cars to other business people who can afford our high priced Ford motor vehicles and the poor can just learn to walk instead or get a bike. Charity is only optional if the churches themselves can get donations from other silly people who want to offer food and shelter to the miilions of poor who will be sleeping in doorways and camping along rivers and parks and really who cares if they die freezing to death…they not our problem and certainly not the American way and certainly not the Christian way of doing things…nowhere in the bible does it say we should help the poor and disadvantaged, the lazy and the weak. Oh no we want to keep our money in gold.and not houses which might have desparate and dangerous squatters living in them who cant afford to pay rent because they cant even afford to buy food after the Republican government scraps the food stamp program. .

    Everyone needs to pay taxes to keep your economy going and its up to your representatives who you been voting in for the last 300 years to do what the majority wants them to do even if you as an individual or a group do not agree with the results.. That’s life, but some of you guys can’t accept the results of every one of your elections and continue to be bad losers when your party does not win.You act in a treasonous way with what some of you and your representative do against the good running of your elected or part majority elected government. I don’t blame you for being that way as it is the nature of men who have strong political beliefs and I myself do it sometimes too. Every time you have an election the losers complain that they could do it better and when they do win…THEY DO LITTLE to improve your economic situation.

    Taxes cannot be apportioned according to some fair sharing system…it does not work that way. , Unfortunately your economy is not structured to suddenly cut expenditure programs to counterbalance lower taxes, that instant program will put your economy into a much worse situation than your in now…it will nosedive and gold prices will rise substantially for the benefit of traders and the major holders of gold such as the Chinese.

    Those of you who might like to make more money out of such a scenario would in my opinion be unpatriotic to wish to profit from the demise of everyone else in your community

    The reality is that your economy cannot operate without more people or corporations paying higher taxes…and so get on with it and pay more income taxes or pay more by losing everything in your financial collapse..I CANT PUT IT IN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE. iF YOU PAY MORE TAXES, THEN YOU WILL MAKE MORE MONEY AND GET TO KEEP WHAT YOU OWN NOW. LOOK AT THE SO CALLED SMART GREEKS…HOW SMART ARE THEY NOW??? DO YOU WISH TO FOLLOW IN THEIR FOOTSTEPS TOO?? JUST THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR CONTINUAL EGO BICKERING IN CONGRESS. ITS A TOTAL DISGRACE…

    AND UNTIL YOU REPUBLICANS SUPPORT BY NOMINATING DR RON PAUL , then i’m going to believe that they too agree that more people are going to need to pay higher taxes to balance your budget. There are only TWO solutions…DR RON PAUL OR OBAMA. Mitt is just another Obama just another Democrat in sheeps clothing. So basically when you Republicans become honest by supporting honest candidates like Ron Paul…then I,ll believe your talk. Until then I DONT BELIEVE ANYONE EXCEPT RON PAUL.

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA, the statement you made that nobody want’s to pay taxes here is what I call a global statement. Some people here don’t mind paying taxes if they are used for the right purposes. And your statement that Republicans don’t want to share their wealth is also a global statement about Republicans. Does anybody really want to “share their wealth”? I know a lot of Republicans that donate to charities and who support worthy causes. But you are right that most conservatives don’t want to share their wealth with people who don’t do anything to earn it.

      Stopping the marriage between big gov and big business is another matter altogether and still doesn’t change the fact that more corporate taxes equate to equally higher prices to the consumer. The government had no business in business in this country and still shouldn’t have.

      Social welfare programs should be stopped as they exist now. We become the government’s slaves when we turn to the government for cradle to grave guarantees. Nothing in life is really guaranteed except that you will breath until you stop breathing. Social welfare programs belong in the private sector.

      Also your statement that, “Americas problems seem to stem from a belief that no one should pay taxes and that all government departments should close down except for the military and the police.” is another global statement aimed at eliciting an emotional response. Your statement is ludicrous because it is false. Most conservative people, even those who I would consider liberal/progressive, don’t want to see the money that the government spends to be wasted and don’t want to pay taxes toward something that will be a waste such as money spent on corporate welfare giveaways.

      This statement is almost true except at the end, “They believe that they have worked hard using their skills to build and operate a business which is earning them an income and profit and why should they have to share that with others and strangers at that, as afterall our profits are due to our hard work and skills at using cheap labor in America or the Asian countries and not due to government policies or the poorer being given money to buy our food and goods using food stamps.” Food stamps are a matter of fact these days and few people mind it that someone who is really needy should get them but it shouldn’t turn into a lifetime income scheme for lazy people who don’t care to work.

      This is of course is another emotional global statement and you are it’s sole author and not someone who is a true conservative who cares for the people, “We want the lazy unemployed masses to beg and sleep under bridges or the streets and not be supported by government handouts”. I take it this is what you want to see happen as it’s your statement? And much of what you state after this is also incorrect. No, in fact I think this is what the true power elites want for the masses. In fact they wouldn’t mind if 6.5 billion people would die off so that they could live in their utopian world populated by five hundred million people who will do their bidding. This is not just my nightmare as there are those that would like to see this happen. There is a large monument erected in Elber Georgia that makes this statement about controlling the worlds population at five hundred million people.

      I asked you to support this statement with facts “I CANT PUT IT IN ANY OTHER LANGUAGE. iF YOU PAY MORE TAXES, THEN YOU WILL MAKE MORE MONEY AND GET TO KEEP WHAT YOU OWN NOW. LOOK AT THE SO CALLED SMART GREEKS…HOW SMART ARE THEY NOW??? DO YOU WISH TO FOLLOW IN THEIR FOOTSTEPS TOO?? JUST THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR CONTINUAL EGO BICKERING IN CONGRESS.” First, what makes you think that I’m a Republican? I am a republican and there is a difference. Notice the upper case R in the first word Republican? This refers to the Republican party of which I’m not a member. I may support Republican candidates but not necessarily their platform. Small case r republicans believe in a smaller government with limited duties and powers. The people have to be responsible for keeping an eye out on both government and business and there are civlil courts to handle bad businesses.

      Ron Paul? I don’t know about him? I don’t know that he can win an election but, he does support ideas that I agree with. Are you really a Ron Paul supporter? I you are then I don’t understand your diatribe at the beginning of your comment. Ron Paul does not support the greatest majority of your emotional stuff at the beginning of your comment.

      Have a blessed day.

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA

        How do you define needy people?
        Can they be lazy and needy too?
        You say that “I know a lot of Republicans that donate to charities and who support worthy causes.”
        Can you define worthy causes and charities ? Are these worthy cause like the Salvation Army who provide money and assistance to the crimminally insane, theives and vagabonds regarded as worthy causes?

        I would object to the waste of money on the con artists and theiving actors who they assist every day so these “poor vunerable people” or rather i call them lazy [maybe also needy] con artists can use their other money for alcohol and drugs. Why do wealthy people indirectly donate so much to these lazy class of theives?

        No I dont agree to support these types of needy people. I would rather the wealthy donate to build museums or direct funds to medical science under conditions that discoveries be used to provide cheaper medicines for the general public.

        Of the $Billions donated over the last 50 years for medical research,,,why is it that Cancer cures cost so much? Who is using this free research funding to discover cures and then selling them for excessive pricings? I would like donations to have strings attached.

        I would much more agree that the lazy hobos remain on the streets and sleep under bridges as this class of person, well at least in Australia…I class as REJECTS..their families dont want them, their friends dont want them, and even the social workers wont house them..preferring to pass them on to charities who waste their money on them.

        Most have pshyciatric problems, have personality problems and are just plain dangerous because they cant live with strangers or family members, so why should anyone else take the risk to house them?

        You want a say on how the government spends your tax money…but unfortunately its not that easy unless you work in government and have the authority…but alas the taxation system does work to meet your personal expenditure requirements and those of every citizen who pays taxes…the only choice you have is an average choice…a communal choice as determined by millions of voters who vote for Members of your Congress, Senate and President who once chosen rely on the public services to administer the trillions of tax collections. Funilly enough these people remain in employment no matter how many administrations come and go ….their personalities do not change if suddenly the republicans win…unless the Republicans make specific directions in their policy adoption processes, The President and his men…have NO SAY in the Public servants offices..so i laugh at all the forum participants who blame OBAMA for all your current problems…when Obama represents the aspirations of all the Democrat supporters who voted him in last time and those who intend to vote for him again next time.

        I support Dr Ron Paul because he offers a siesmic shift in policy whereas Mitt is just another Obama….Mitt cant offer anything new, whereas RON PAUL does. RON PAUL is different, he is better and put him in the limelight in debates and people will understand his wisdom. Mitt does not imprress me at all even though i’m in Australia …but i believe your treating to voters with contempt when you wish to put up MITT as a substandard product for sale/ on offer….they will choose Obama. Im sure Mitt is a nice enough guy…but voters want standout candidates which Ron Paul is. The Repubs should not gamble with Mitt unless they want to lose…

        Its either RON PAUL or OBAMA in my view. .

        I support RON PAULS policies because they are self evident and honest…why go try find any alternative. You have had him for 40 years but you Americans have kept him under wraps WHY? Is it because you want things to remain the same? It goes to the root of the lack of honesty in many of your debaters who cant debate rationally on policies …the very policies which RON PAUL offers but some of you are looking for someone younger better looking…in Mitt…but that wont win you a Republican President.

        In the end, I too have to accept what you Americans choose …but I can sure try hard to make you see the light. …the TREASURE you have before your eyes….sometimes i think you americans enjoy choosing losers so that you can continue to complain about OBAMA…its part of the pleasure pain syndrome…you enjoy the pleasure of complaining about OBAMA the man instead of voting in RON PAUL your saviour…who you maybe dont really belive in lower taxes and govt waste. You enjoy shooting yourselves in the foot….thats my honest ,,no nonsence opinion…today.

        Further, your country could not afford full employement if your unemployed suddenly got jobs tomorrow,,,they would want a new car,,,IMPORTED, more fuel IMPORTED, new washing machine IMPORTED, new TV IMPORTED..new mobile hone IMPORTED…better new apartments RENT INCREASES OF ENORMOUS PERCENTAGES, new houses..IMPORTED FROM CHINA, digital camera..IMPORTED, more food…IMPORTED FROM ASIA. How many unemployed do you have now, plus how many homeless multiply that by total expected imports + MULTI TRILLION DOLLAR BALANCE OF PAYMENTS DEFICITS, EXCALLATING WAGE DEMANDS= HYPER INFLATION FOR THE REST OF THE CURRENTLY EMPLOYED PEOPLE, HIGHER INTEREST RATES TO 15% my guestimate. So may I suggest you need just a few more in jobs but not everyone in jobs to distrupt your current cosy lifestyle.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA, stop your screaming, I can read without the aid of capitalization. You don’t like rich people do you? What’s the matter with you? You don’t believe that rich people directly help others less fortunate than themselves? If you must have some proof I’ll get you some but it’ll take me a while since I don’t have that info in front of me.

          I don’t deny needy people. Our farm has given away free milk, goats, pigs, fish, given homes to the homeless, we’ve given money when we have it and none of this was used as a tax deduction nor was it done by the urging of any government. So get onto something else. Nobody on this site deny’s needy people. In fact we count ourselves most able to decide just who is on crack and just who is truly needy and we try to help when we can which I agree with you: the good ole criminal government can’t actually determine true neediness.

          Since when is this true: you said “You want a say on how the government spends your tax money…but unfortunately its not that easy unless you work in government and have the authority…but alas the taxation system does work to meet your personal expenditure requirements and those of every citizen who pays taxes.” The government doesn’t meet my personal expenditure. If you have some kind of proof then that the government does meet my personal expenditures then I need it because I want my money.

          Democracy is the next to the last step on the road to total dictatorship of the masses. Pure democracies don’t work and when I get some time I’ll give you some information to chew on…but you probably won’t read it as you would rather just run your mouth.

          I don’t believe in mufti-national who make their livings solely off of us while using cheap foreign labor but maybe they wouldn’t have to go overseas if they could compete without all of our governments red tape. I’m sorry you don’t have to scream at me as I know that you are a communist/marxist/socialist and want to rely solely on the government to provide your every whim and desire.

          Yeah and my lifestyle is cozy for me but that’s none of your business how I live. Go back or stay in Australia and ruin that economy but leave the USA alone.

          Another thing: you address this issue of Mitt vs Ron to me as if I’m a Mitt fan. What in the world gives you that impression? And just how do you support the man or his platform when you don’t even understand it? You’re either in Australia or (heavens forbid) you are here somehow with the power to vote. Maybe you just give money to Ron Paul and that’s great if you do but judging from your rant you are a confused person. Can’t you at least separate your points so it would make it easier to respond to you?

          I’m going to have to get back to you later as I have some chickens to tend to. I’ll see if I can’t help you out of your confusion. Later

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA

        CORRECTION…You want a say on how the government spends your tax money…but unfortunately its not that easy unless you work in government and have the authority…but alas the taxation system does NOT work that way

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA, for once you are right: I don’t have a say in how my taxes are spent as the criminal governments and their pupet masters of the central banking system don’t care at all about what I have to say. I take that back: they probably want to shut people like me up.

  • Yvette Dolan

    Hi!!!!!anything will be better then what we have now………..At last Rubio born here in US of A…..I like you to know that I am a new citizen since 1972 and proud to be by my choice.
    I would like you to stop sending me your point of view, it does not go with me, it make me made to read your comments. We have better thing to do then continually demantel some one just because it is just not up to your snuff.
    Yvette Dolan

  • http://nursetrixie.wordpress.com nursetrixie

    Without Ron Paul int his election, the Federal Reserve Deception probably would have never seen the light of day! The Federal Reserve is ran by the same people who run the media therefore they will keep Ron Paul blacked out and will rig the elections. I will vote Ron Paul not just because I think he is the only one who can saave us, but to show the powers that be whom the American public want for president! If only their eyes observe this that will be good enough for me!

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      nursetrixie, we must do what we have to to show others just how important liberty is to us. This is a more complete quote than what is usually attributed to Patrick Henry. He was quoting from Cato: “It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace — but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

      It might just take this kind of conviction to win. For YHWH and Country.

  • jopa

    Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul would make for an interesting ticket in November.I always like what the two of them have to say.More common sense from the two of them than anyone else so far.

  • s c

    OK, so you’ve finally been exposed to more truth about the Fed. NOW what do you do with it? Amerika has had to endure the Fed for almost 100 years, so I’m tempted to say that a) Congress sold its “soul” almost 100 years ago b) the W H is not a place to find leaders and c) deportation is too good for the useful idiots at the Fed. Call me fickle, but it seems fair.

  • http://winnieol.xanga.com/ Frankie

    I always spent my half an hour to read this website’s articles all the time along with a cup of coffee.

  • http://tallerheellifts.bloggsida.se/ Kory Ishii

    I really do hope that you will be elaborating a little more on this theme. I was hoping for a little more information.

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