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Federal Lawsuit Takes Aim At Illinois’ Ban On Concealed Guns

May 18, 2011 by  

Federal lawsuit takes aim at Illinois' ban on concealed gunsTwo private citizens and the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) have filed a Federal lawsuit challenging Illinois’ prohibition of the carrying of firearms for self-defense.

According to The Associated Press, Illinois residents Michael Moore of Champaign and Charles Hooks of Percy, along with the SAF, filed the suit on May 12, eight days after a measure that would have allowed residents to carry concealed weapons failed in the State Legislature. Moore is a former corrections officer and Hooks is a farmer, the news provider reported.

Illinois and Wisconsin are the only States that ban citizens from carrying concealed firearms for self-defense. However, SAF Vice President Alan Gottlieb asserted that Wisconsin at least allows its citizens to carry non-concealed weapons.

“Only Illinois makes it statutorily impossible for average private citizens to carry firearms for self-defense,” said Gottlieb. “Whether Illinois lawmakers like it or not, the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms is the law of the land.”

Gottlieb added that he was surprised that Illinois legislators have not acquiesced to last year’s Supreme Court ruling in McDonald v. Chicago, in which justices ruled that the 2nd Amendment applies to State and local governments.

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  • Bitter Libertarian

    “Whether Illinois lawmakers like it or not, the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms is the law of the land.”

    Its that BLASTED statement “Shall not be INFRINGED” that confuses them every time!

    That Old statement rings in my ears every time I see issues like this & the Patriot Act come up…”Those who surrender rights for security in the end shall have neither” words to that effect…sorry not an exact quote. :)

    • Raggs

      Bitter…. So even that the 2nd is the law upheld by the courts, what about the ruling of the supreme court upholding a judges verdict of “NO WARRANT” needed to enter and search a private home?

      Seems to me the courts are in favor of a police state, I suspect a decision to confiscate guns from legal owners to be upheld by the supreme court also… A law will be made in conjuction with obama care as a “IT’S BEST FOR YOU” and the government has the right to take your guns since you are uder obama care.

      I’m just saying…. WE have a very serious problem here!!!!

      • Bitter Libertarian

        You are correct. This Problem will have only one result for me. I will be an outlaw. Hopefully not too lonely..LOL

        • Raggs

          You won’t be alone….

          • Bob from Calif.

            You are not alone, not by a long shot.

        • April

          You are definitely not alone!!!

    • EddieW

      In my state, my beef is you have to get a permit for concealed carry…it’s only 20.00 (just another tax!) when the Constitution gives us the right!! Of course the Constitution is being ripped to shreds now, and will likely not last much longer…4th amendment died, no longer is a warrant needed to come into your house, search whatever they want, and take what they want…A Nazism Police State is coming!! The “supreme”Court in two instances, said they don’t need a warrant anymore!!!

      • Bitter Libertarian

        The Supreme court is a pawn. We need a revolution, followed by a revolt.

      • jibbs

        The Indiana Supreme Court made the 4th Amendment ruling, not the U.S. Supreme Court.

  • Cliffystones

    Michael Moore?!?!

    I had to do a double-take. I realize it’s not the same guy as “pigpen”, but for a fraction of a second I thought I’d lost it.

    • 45caliber

      It caught my attention too. But you have to realize: the one we thought of can carry anywhere he wishes (and probably does) while the rest of us would be arrested for doing the same thing. And if he doesn’t carry, it’s because he has armed guards with him.

    • April

      LOL!! The same thing went thru my mind too!! Ohh DEAR there are TWO of them?? Heaven Help Us!!

  • RICK B.

    THAT’S JUST A COUPLE OF ISSUES HERE. I LIVE IN THIS GOD FORSAKEN CITY, AND THE CRIMINALS HAVE MORE RIGHTS THEN THE VICTUMS. MAYOR DALEY NEVER EVEN ALLOWED THE SERIES ”COPS” TO BE FILMED HERE, BECAUSE HE WANTED TO SHOW THE WHOLE COUNTRY HOW SAVE THIS CITY IS, IN WHICH IT IS NOT. I KNOW A DOZEN OR MORE CHICAGO ”COPPERS” AND I HEAR EVERYDAY ABOUT FRUSTRATIONS WITH GANG BANGERS. THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE, WHERE THEY LIVE, THE LEADERS, THE CRACK HOUSES, BUT YOU’LL NEVER SEE A ”WACO” EVENT HERE IN WHICH THESE BANGERS ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS WHO WILL KILL YOU JUST FOR LOOKING AT THEM. THERE ARE STORIES IN BOTH THE SUN-TIMES AND TRIBUNE NEWSPAPERS ABOUT HOW A CITIZEN PROTECTS HIMSELF OR HIS PROTERTY USING A GUN, AND HE’S !!! HAULED OFF TO JAIL, NOT THE GANGBANGER. TO MANY LIBERALS IN THIS CITY, WHO TURN THEIR HEADS, AND BLAME THE GUN, NOT THE TRIGGER PULLER. THERE IS A SERIOUS CRIME PROBLEM IN THIS CITY, AND EVEN THE CHIEF OF POLICE HIDES THE REAL NUMBERS, OR STATISTICS. PROTECTING YOURSELF IN CHICAGO IS A CRIME. THERE NEEDS TO BE A ”REALITY CHECK” HERE. PLEASE PASS THE BILL? WE NEED TO SAVE SOME DECENT, INNOCENT, AND HONEST PEOPLES LIVES. NOT THE LIVES OF DIRTBAG, LOW LIFE GANG BANGERS, WHO JUST WILL GROW UP SMARTER, MORE COLDBLOODED, HARDCORE KILLERS, THAT ARE NOT WORTH LIVING.

    • 45caliber

      That’s the main reason I would never accept a job in Chicago. I couldn’t stand being there.

      And I know the frustrations about gangs. We have them all over the place. A few years ago, three gangs in our local school had “recruitment day”. They would fight between classes to show how strong they were. The third time they did it, the principal called the police and had them arrested. One’s parents showed up at the school board meeting demanding the principal be fired. They stated that the only reason their son had been fighting was because he had been attacked and that their son needed to belong to a gang because he needed friends to help him when he was attacked.

      And we wonder why kids join gangs and the parents don’t care.

    • jibbs

      I hear that, I’m from the Bridgeport neighborhood, lived in Wheaton for the past 40 years. We just moved from there to Missouri. IL./Chicago is nothing but a sewer. Have you ever been to Blackie’s Bar(since 1934) at Clark & Dearborn over by Printers Row? Not to be confused with Boston Blackies.

  • James

    The Second Amendment is not the law of the land. It is simply a part of the Bill of Rights’ restrictions on the federal government. The right to bear arms is an unalienable right that all Americans have, that is not dependent on any document for its existence. In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme Court held that a D.C. ordinance, which banned possession of handguns in the District, had violated the Second Amendment. That decision applied to all federal territories. Then in McDonald v. Chicago (2010), the Supreme Court held the Chicago ordinance, which banned possession of handguns in that area, to have violated the “liberty” of the 14th Amendment, which, effectively, applied to all states.
    The problem here is that the Supreme Court lacks power to enforce its decisions. The right is personal, and must be defended by individuals who have been harmed by state laws or ordinances.
    The Second Amendment Foundation should go back to its original Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) organization and stop confusing our right with the Second Amendment.

    • Scarefacesquirrel.

      I beg to differ from you on this. The U.S. Constitution including the Bill of Rights is the Supreme Law of Our Land. True those rights named in it are not given by the document or the government as it states inclusively. But those rights named are specifically guaranteed by the law.

      #1. Freedom of Speech. #2. Your only real protection. Barry and the freaks surrounding him are after both. Join a TEA party, Join the Oath Keepers, Join the NRA, Join with like minded people before it is too late. Together We Stand, Divided We Fall. The founding fathers gave us a Republic, USE IT or LOSE IT…

      The times that we live in are those “that try men’s soles”. Be Prepared for the worst but live and hope for the best. Just because this is America, don’t think that the laws of nature do not apply.

      Be prepared for your family and your neighbors. Start stocking up on food now while it is affordable. We get our food supplies from http://aoj.myefoods.com/freemeals/ you can try them for FREE, just pay shipping. They are inexpensive, storable and taste great! Go see for yourself.

      • James

        Scarefacesquirrel, The Preamble to the Bill of Rights reads: “THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution,expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added.”
        The Bill of Rights begins with: “Congress shall make no law…concerning the five rights mentioned therein; Amendments 2 through 8 mention other rights; then the 9th Amendment says: “The enumeration…of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people”; and the 10th Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
        All of which says rights are off-limits to the just created federal government. The Bill of Rights is restrictions on the federal government, it is not the source of our rights. Rights are unalienable, they are depependent on any document for their existence. I would cite and quote Supreme Court case-law to prove that, but there is no ‘paste’ button here, and typing all of that is too time consuming. WE NEED A PASTE BUTTON!!!

        • James

          “are dependent” should have read “are not dependent.”

  • ONTIME

    Yesterday I watched a fully recorded U Tube video about the ignorance of the police in Phillie concerning the right to carry and concealment. They film emphsized the fact that even though the laws allow open carry the cops freak out and put legal licensed citizens through hell because they do not have the procedure in place to know if the legal permitt is in effect. It is a matter of right and left hand lacking co-ordination and thought, I fear that if they do not get this resolved there is going to be another tragedy that could have been prevented with by use of forethought.

    • 45caliber

      But it is okay if the cops start shooting. If the victim is killed, it’s only a “mistake”. If the victim shoots back then the cops are justified for shooting him.

      How many times do the cops break into the wrong house and shoot innocent people? I know if anyone comes breaking into my house in the dead of night that they are going to be shot at. Why should I die or go to jail for defending myself from someone else making a mistake?

  • http://com i41

    Can not pick on gang bangers, because the are misunderstood physco blabbing perverts. I justy watched a murder that has been discover in London, it is a dismembered body of a 3 year old boy, that ties back to African voodoo cultsd that are stating to showup all over in other countries. Even in USA there is groups that of Africans who claim to only kill animals for their “worshipping” rights. ties right in to the pervert muslims sactioning honor killing and abusing the family of any pedophile worshipping groups. The wanna be dictator and dumbocraps want total gun ownership ban to control the citizens and are going to use UN mandates which dems and Onumnutts embrace totally any UN mandate down to banning private landownership.

  • gordon

    REALLY GOOD COMMENT’S TODAY FROM EVERYONE

    • April

      I agree as I am totally enjoying the reads on this site from REAL GOD Loving AMERICANS who LOVE and Care to preserve the Rights of this Country. I am Proud to be an American and Proud to be here with fellow patriots such as you who are contributing on this site.
      GOD BLESS AMERICA!! Smiles

  • Joey Biden

    Guns gave us our freedom. Guns will help us keep our freedom. Free men own guns slaves do not. Live free or die. I know it’s all been said before but it still rings true.

  • MAKPAT

    No Bitter Libertarian,Raggs,Bob frm Calif.,.45cal,& Joey Biden, YOU WON’T BE, & “AIN’T”-for EMPHASIS-ALONE!! That is EXACTLY what bothers Politicians the MOST. Also you are Correct in that “SHALL NOT BE
    INFRINGED” BOTHERS Them, because it takes POWER & CONTROL away from them! And as one of the
    Greatest Presidents of this Country once said “The “TREE of LIBERTY” MUST BE REFRESHED from Time to Time with the BLOOD of PATRIOTS A N D (& ! & ! & !) T-Y-R-A-N-T-S.”!!! (EMPHASIS- MINE). I just “HOPE” that when the NEXT “Lexington Green/Concord” Event takes place, It will be on the WDC MALL & ALL
    AMERICAN PATRIOTS will be able to DEMONSTRATE to the Citizens of this Great Country and the World,(Wishful Thinking PERHAPS), HOW GREAT WE ARE, &, ALSO, REMIND the Beltway “REDCOAT” Politicians and king messiah hussein barry soetoro obummer what the Penalty for Treason is–NOT LIKE “BUBBA’s IS either”. I am speaking this from one of THE MOST LIBERAL (Hate America–EXCEPT the “PLEASE “UNCLE SAM” HELP ME PART) AND ANTI-Amendment the 2nd States in this Country!
    MAY GOD SAVE THIS NATION !!! MAKPAT

  • Bob Marshall

    Exactally the reason the FEMA camps are being built. Homeland Security with 127,000 employess so far. How long before the public is asked to surrender their arms. How long before the National ID card. A driver liscense with a built in tracking device. Remember ten years ago we would have laughed at this idea. The Patroit Act in my opinion is the most dangerous piece of legislation ever passed by congress. i really thought Obama was going to audit the Federal reserve until i find out who really owned it. i wonder who is going to end up with the 144 tons of gold in The Libyian Central Bank? I am sure the US will make sure the Libyian people are allowed to keep it to rebuild their country. Much in the same way after our troops destroyed artifacts and books of history many over 2,000 years old and art dealers were allowed to come into Iraq and buy their most valuable treasures. The US did send 20,000,000,000.00 to Iraq for rebuilding their devasted country. Oh! thats right! Almost forgot. That money did reac Saddams’ ol palace but it was handed out to anyone who claimed they had aprodjuct. Many times not even requiring a signiture. Iraq got 0. Surprized! Not me! Our government is so smart to give contracts to corportstions like KBR Halliburton at cost plus. Wait! The taxpayer paid their salaries and for all equipment. Aren’t we good Americans.? I am glad our government doesn’t do stupid things like Qaddafi. Built home for every family. Every time oil is sold in Libiya each family recieves money. Has the dinar. A currency even the ILLUMINATI can’t touch. maybe since the US has built bases surrounding Russia they may be attacked along with Iran. Since nuclears are already in the works for the bombing for Iran why not carry on to Russia. All all, we are the most powerful military in the world. If our ICBMs’ are used soon they may become ineffective. After there is proof some were used in Iraq.Possibly in Libya.If most of you are thinking of bombs like those used in Hiroshima and Nagasaki Forget it.These bombs are like bunker busters.They do have the TNT power of 1/6 of those bombsused in Japan. This is on the internet. No secret.Our Airforce is bragging about what they will do. Just need someone to drop them on. There are still a few canidates. The CFR said the world is overly populated. The US and Nato is taking care of that little problem. The CFR say a number like 25% will be easier to control.Of course they don’t believe in having a middle class. nation shave let the US build bases too close so they can’t fire their long range IBCMs’so they will have to fire at long range tagerts. Who could that be?

  • Loki

    We need to stop being nice and polite and start using the same tactics that anti-gunners are using!!!
    Demonstrating,marching and demanding that our rights be returned back to us ‘The people’ or we gonna be in real trouble!!! Our strenght is in numbers and we need to be very vocal and very visible taking a hard stance against all the anti-amercan,anti-constitution 2nd amendment hating morons!!!
    We have to start getting tuff and in your face with this dorks and if that means that their feelings are going to get hurt so be it tuff luck. It is time to put our foot down since nothing else seems to be working and shout this bastards
    down!!!
    “If a politician isn’t perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash — for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything – without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn’t your friend no matter what he tells you.” L. Neil Smith

    We need to remind this ‘tools’ everyday where we stand on this issue!!!

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