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Farewell To The King Of Pork

July 9, 2010 by  

Farewell To The King Of Pork

There’s been a lot written over the past 12 days about the death of Robert Byrd, the so-called “last lion of the Senate.” But the West Virginia senator was no lion despite all the accolades that have been heaped on him since his death. He was a pig. In fact, when it came to grabbing as much government booty as he could, the distinguished senator was the greediest pig of all.

Fox News commentator Fred Barnes put it well when he said, “[Byrd] epitomized what most members of Congress try to do: maximize the flow of Federal funds to their state or district. Only he did it better. He was not only extraordinarily effective in funneling largess to West Virginia; he was unabashed about taking credit for it in an ostentatious way.”

Citizens Against Government Waste denounced Byrd as the “King of Pork.” In 2006, a group called Porkbusters gave Byrd their Lifetime Achievement Award for establishing “a pork record second to none.” Should being the biggest porker of all time really be called an achievement?

There are more than 50 projects in West Virginia—all financed by taxpayers in other states—that are named for Byrd or his late wife Erma. Byrd frequently gloated about how much loot he was able to snare for his state. Here, for example, are his remarks at the dedication ceremony four years ago of the Robert C. Byrd Biotechnology Center at Marshall University in Huntington: The effort began, he said, “with a visit to my office, yeah! Yeah, man. Yeah, man, a visit to my office, yeah” by the school’s president. So Byrd then proceeded to do what he did best: “I rolled up my sleeves to do the work in Congress to secure the Federal funding. Yeah, man, you’re looking at Big Daddy. Big Daddy!”

As you can see, Byrd loved to brag about how easily he got the Federal spigot turned in West Virginia’s direction: “I’ve been [in the Senate] longer than anybody else… so I added $35.6 million. That ain’t chicken feed. No man, that’s not little stuff. That’s not small stuff.”

Actually, when compared to a Federal budget of $3.8 trillion, and a deficit of $1.3 trillion, that is chicken feed to our big-spenders in Washington. But not in West Virginia, one of the most impoverished states in the union. Which brings up a point I have not heard anyone else make: Why did all those untold billions that Byrd was able to grab for his state do so little good for the people there?

Think about it for a minute. Thanks to Byrd’s efforts, along with a compliant bureaucracy and kowtowing administrations, for most of the 51 years he served in the Senate, West Virginians received more bang for their bucks—that is, more tax dollars back from Uncle Sam than they contributed—than any other state in the union.

If sucking at the teat of Big Government makes you stronger and healthier, why isn’t West Virginia one of the richest states in the nation? Instead, when measured by the jobs its has created, the pay for those jobs, the living standards of its inhabitants, the quality of medical care and education and just about any other standard that’s important to your quality of life, West Virginia is a disaster.

Byrd could serve as a poster boy for the bad effects of big government. Instead, the mass media acted as though there was something good and noble about his life’s work.

Let’s be honest here. Byrd spent the first half of his adult life as one of the most racist, bigoted, downright nasty politicians the South has ever produced. He then spent the second half of his life building monuments to himself with your money.

This is someone we should admire?

Regarding the first part of my accusation, in his youth Byrd was an enthusiastic supporter of the Ku Klux Klan. In fact, when he was 24, he helped form a chapter of the noxious organization in his hometown. He was elected to the state legislature in 1946 and the House of Representatives six years later. In those early campaigns, he made sure he used the “n” word in every speech he made.

Later in life, Byrd claimed to have softened his stance against blacks. But he was still a foul-mouthed bigot. Four years ago, to show how “fair and balanced” he had become, he told a TV interviewer, “I’ve seen a lot of white niggers in my time.” Gee, Senator, how fair-minded of you.

A friend of mine claims that Byrd was the perfect argument in favor of term limits. To prove his point, he says, go to YouTube and watch one of Byrd’s last speeches. You’ll find it here, with a hilarious introduction by Jimmy Kimmel, the late-night television host.

After you watch it, let me ask you: Would you want a 92-year-old surgeon operating on you? Byrd was one of the most skillful transplant surgeons this country has seen. He grabbed money from the other 49 states and transferred it to his own.

For this he will probably always be loved and admired in West Virginia. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that every community in the state is seeking even more Federal funds, to build a statue to their hero.

As for me, I prefer to salute the character of the men featured in this column last week… the incredibly brave patriots who pledged “their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor” to win liberty for us. Click here to see it… and receive your free 4th of July gift from us.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

—Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Anthony

    Right Arm, Farm Out, and “Out Of State”…. as we used to say back in the 1970′s.

    Robert “Sheets” Byrd was (and should always be considered) a Hypocrite.

    He talks about seeing “white niggers” all over the place… HA….

    He should know – his hand was out every day of his life… always looking for that free ride… ….”takes one to know one”.

    And, the little-educated in West Virginia certainly knew when to kneel, eh?

    Good Article, as always, Chip! Keep ‘em coming.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest PMcGYVER

      Its pretty easy to butcher someone that is DEAD, & has a long standing in the Govt arena. He who is without sin, cast the first stone. But let me tell you, he was a great friend of mine. He made it the hard way, & lived a good long life. But he always did what he could for W Va. & was a good hearted man. Leave him alone. Some of you self righteous folks out there make me sick. For Petes sake, let him rest in peace. Some of you will not be spoken about much better that you are dishing out. Now, give the man a break, LOL, cause you sound pretty stupid !!!!

      • gene

        The mans history speaks for itself. He was a racist from the word go. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a duck.

        • Smilee

          That duck died years ago or do you like the smell of rotting Duck, People of character even if they hated him would not stoop as low as you have!!!!!!!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            That duck would have hung you Smilee if he caught you alone and thought he could get away with it. Dont let him fool you, that leopard didnt change its spots, it just learned how to play them.

          • Smilee

            You say I’m wrong but offered no proof making your post just pure BS!!

      • http://YellowDogsandDemocratHandouts. Lester Havens

        One must call a Spade, a Spade. He may be dead, but he’s still a Spade.

      • Mike Lagree

        Yeah, He made it the hard way with other peoples money, and we sound “pretty stupid” because we, as a nation, are “pretty stupid”. If we were not,”pretty stupid” we would never allow scumsuckers and leeches like Byrd, Kennedy,Reid,Pelosi, et.al. to live off of us and our neighbors. Adding insult to injury we keep the welfare scum in office until they die of old age and then we praise them while they so deservedly rot.

        • Judy Mimranek

          You are right on ! I guess it doesn’t matter how big a scum bag you are as long as someone is bennifitting off you they will praise you till the cows come home. He was a scum bag !

        • Emma

          Mike, you’ve got that right!!!!

      • JeffH

        PMcGYVER, pretty obvious you reap what you sow…I’d bet you could tell some pretty bad stories about your good freind, racist stories, I mean arrogant racist stories. Slick Bill Clinton ,to Ted Kennedy about Obama:”A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee”, naturally would have excused Byrd’s bigotry and the racist POTUS public criticism that Cambridge officers “acted stupidly” when they arrested black Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. could make it harder for police to work with people of color, eulogized him…Who could forget Dingy Harry and his comment that “Barack Obama was well suited to a presidential run because he is a “light-skinned” African American “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.”
        Byrds of a feather flock together…

        • ChiefRon

          Amen JeffH, well said. PMcGYVER hasn’t a clue what he’s saying, or he’s another of the Leftists with his head stuck so far in the sand he doesn’t know what the truth is, but just crys racism when it’s convenient for his side.

          As for speaking bad of the dead, since when is that a crime? Or is that small print in Leftists books? And if it is, where is the line drawn, only talk bad of Murderers, but not Politicians that sucked the government for all the money they could and benefited only the small minority of the people, the ones that Scratched HIS back with campaign funds. SHUT UP! DUMOCRATS. Byrd sucked before, he was a crook, and his death doesn’t give reason to praise him.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Heck man, look at what a crook Ted Kennedy was, and when he passed, they tried to present him as some kind of saint. The dude was a drunken louse who killed a woman, lied, cheated, stole, pilfered, all on other peoples dime. Byrd was the same way. He was a racist bigot who lived high on the hog with other peoples money, even going as far as stealing millions of it and building monuments to himself all over the state of Pennsylvania, just like the old crooked leaders of Rome and ancient times used to. The man was a crook, and a vile disgusting human being, who cared about nothing more than glorifying himself. He lived his heaven on earth. Im pretty confident it ended there.

          • Smilee

            Bob Wire says:
            July 10, 2010 at 12:22 pm

            There you go again sitting in judgement of another, as Christian we do not have that right so why do you persist in doing this????????

          • Smilee

            Beberoni says:
            July 13, 2010 at 4:12 pm

            Sorry Bob this was for Bereroni

      • Daniel Troost

        PMcGYVER – I can cast the first stone at SO-Called BYRD. I am 57 year old, as long as I can remember, Senator BYRD has funneled fund to West Va. from the government for bull… project just to get votes to be reelected over,and over, and over. Shame on you, I bet you got some of those funds from the government yourself because of him. This is what I glad he dead and gone. I hope you rot in He… with him!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I dont think he will ever get cold again. I would bet on that.

          • Smilee

            There you go again sitting in judgement of another, as Christian we do not have that right so why do you persist in doing this????????

      • Ronni

        well said PMcGyver
        Rest in Peace Senator Byrd

        • American Citizen

          What is given to any state over what it sent is stolen goods.

          • AnhydrousBob

            Most of what is sent in is absorbed by paying for government, so there is no way to send back as much as came in! Besides, why the hell should someone miles away decide what the money is used for? Leave the money where it is, to be used by the people who earned it.

        • ChiefRon

          And THANK GOODNESS he is resting and not Still in the Senate screwing over more Americans than he was doing any good for. As for resting in peace, SHUT UP, he deserves the truth be told of all his actions.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        PMcGUYVER,
        Do the letters KKK mean anything to you??? Does the FACT that he recruited over 145 members for said KKK mean anything to you?? Does the FACT that he filibustered the civil rights bill mean anything to you??? I am old enough to remember the seperate fountains and facilities for persons of color in the south. I can remember a black man getting kicked out of a restaurant in Ga while my Dad and I were sitting in it. I was only eight years old and from Michigan but when six or seven men(?) grab a man and throw him bodily from a restaurant it kinda sticks with you. I also remember my father telling me about a Black that was hung on the town square in Ceadartown Ga because he walked between a man and his wife! This was the type of south Byrd wanted to keep!! go piss on somebody elses leg and tell THEM it’s raining, it won’t work on me!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          But thats just how blind of followers the left are JoeH. Smilee writes and defends the guy, yet if Byrd could have gotten his hands on him in the back woods, you never would have seen Smilee again. The guy was responsible for deaths when he was younger, and never got called out on them. He died a bigot, seeking his own glorification. I have noticed that after all these so called years of doing good for West Viginia, they are still lacking in most everything. Their education systems is terrible, their illiteracy rate is huge, and despite having kept them down and in their place, folks still keep voting for democrats there, who will continue to give them those little government handouts, that keep them down in their place, dependant on government, and they cannot see over their own nose that Byrd and his band of democrats are the reason why. Time to educated West Virginia. The dude bought and sold you all those years of nothingness. You have not improved in what, 60 years of him? Not a bit.

          • Smilee

            Aii pure hate, no factual statements on your part, he got past hate something you have yet to do and seem you have no desire too, he expressed regret for his beliefs and actions and changed his ways, will YOU????

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            No he didnt. You have no idea what he said or did in those moments when there was no camera or recording device. I do not believe for one minute that leopard changed his spots. Ive heard him talk and the way he spoke and carried himself showed a man still full of himself, as is evidenced by his building monument after monument bearing his name, all using our money. No, this leopard didnt change his spots. There is no way.

          • Smilee

            Beberoni says:
            July 16, 2010 at 9:28 am
            No he didnt. You have no idea what he said or did in those moments when there was no camera or recording device.

            AND NEITHER DO YOU

            I do not believe for one minute that leopard changed his spots. Ive heard him talk and the way he spoke and carried himself showed a man still full of himself, as is evidenced by his building monument after monument bearing his name, all using our money. No, this leopard didnt change his spots. There is no way.

            THERE YOU GO AGAIN SITTING IN JUDGEMENT, THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT OF ANY CHRISTIAN ACCORDING TO THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST. YOU CANNOT KNOW IF CHRIST FORGAVE HIM. JUDGE NOT LEAST YOU BE JUDGED!!!

      • J D Gates

        We will always be what we are on earth and God will tell us how he feels about it when we get to heaven and the devil will celebrate with the ones that betray God and goodness. Stealing from others is wrong when it comes down to right and wrong and no matter who it benefits. Is Bryd, Robin Hood of our times? Does that make you feel better? Are you saying Damn with other peoples money?

        Shame on both of you, him for doing wrong and you for condoning it!

      • meteorlady

        The man was a senile, racist bigot. I don’t care if he’s dead or alive – he was all that. Did you actually watch the YouTube video? Do you honestly believe that he was good to be third in line to the Presidency? Gads – take of the blinders. Are the people of W. Virginia any better because of him – they are still in poverty and their educational system sucks?

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          He had done unmitigated damage to West Virginia that will takes years to undo. He has most of the state poor and destitute dependant on government, and that is right where the democrats want them. And the dumb people that he oppressed all those years, kept on voting him in. What does it take for people to get educated and see the light? Those little government handouts hold you back.

      • Paul

        As far as Byrd is concerned he was a racist and a pig. Just because he died we should make him a hero or a role model. Where should we stop how about Ted Kennedy the murderer, or even Adolf Hitler or Joe Stalin, Chairman Mao,and countless other low lifes.
        Let us all elevate them because they are dead, but count me out.

      • Emma

        If he was a good friend of yours, then you should have steered him away from his ways. Some friend, you are!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        A good hearted man? He used to go out and hang people just because they had black skin. You call that good hearted? The man was filled with hatred, bigotry, and was so left wing liberally biased that he stayed away from the truth, like he was scared to death of it. But good hearted? No, no he wasnt. He was a very ugly man, and Im talking about what was inside of him. He was a racist and he was crooked as they come, so dont try to revisionist history now that he is dead. He was a rotten human being.

        • Smilee

          IS THERE NO LIMIT TO THE HATE YOU FEEL FOR THIS MAN???

      • Sharon Mancuso

        That is because he is STUPID!!!

    • A. Gabriel

      The man was no damn good, just like obama and his cronies. . .

      • Emma

        Exactly!!!!!!!!

    • JOHN OLIVEROS

      good riddance to this porkbarrel pig.

  • s c

    Americans believe that if they aren’t aware of greed/incompetence, it can’t exist. If it did exist, then our leaders would jump on it and solve the problem in a heartbeat.
    Most people who wind up in Washington know there’s America, and there’s Washington. Our leaders learn quickly that there’s job security, and there’s the ‘truth’ (Americans will believe almost anything, if it’s ‘packaged’ properly).
    Career criminal politicians are more hype than substance. When Bubba Clinton can find ways to see all of the good and none of the bad in Byrd’s career, it amounts to career criminals protecting each other.
    They have a great thing going, as long as voters don’t get in the way. And, as we all know, as long as ‘leaders’ get to live like unaccountable kings and queens, then the system “works” (just don’t let anyone take a serious look at that system, let alone try to change “perfection”).
    People, keep that damned political deck of cards SHUFFLED. NO MORE CAREER POLITICIANS. Politicians make life complicated, and our collective stupidity keeps us in chains. No casino and no criminal ever had a better deal than a career American politician.

    • Christin

      Well said… they have played us… we had confidence they would do the right thing and they have used us instead.

      Since when is it the congressmen’s job just to spend taxpayer dollars… I thought they were suppose to lead and once in a great while write laws to correct society’s legal system that are SHORT so they can’t hide their PORK and evil agenda.

      Congress isn’t even writing the new laws… the Apollo Alliance is… isn’t that unconstitutional?????????????????????

      • kate8

        Only if you’re assuming they give a rip about the Constitution.

        They’ve made it plain that they don’t.

    • Emma

      Why the length of their terms is not changed to at the most 2 consecutive terms is really beyond me! All I can say is that I’m never going to vote for an incumbent again. Keeping the deck shuffled is perhaps the only way to go about it for us until and unless we get what we put these greedy people in office for because once they’re in office, they do what they want for themselves and forget about the people. Get rid of them as often as possible is what I say and don’t give them any opportunities to build personal fortunes on our money.

  • Doc Sarvis

    I’ll hand it to Sen. Byrd on one count; he did call it right on our invasion of Iraq.

    • BigD GottaGoTell It, Minnesota

      He Did Get the Iraq War Thing Right- I Agree.

      Not One of Us Here Lives & Learns
      Except for
      Self Righteous Pharisees or Neo-Cons!

      You Gotta Go Right to Experience ‘Self-Rightiosity’

      • kate8

        Sounds pretty self-righteous to me.

    • Judy Mimranek

      Guess what , I called it right too and it didn’t cost you a dime . I won’t give him anything, he was a jerk !

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You mean when him , along with money others on the left, stood up there before congress, and way before George W. Bush was even a candidate for president, and declared how Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was dangerous and had to be stopped? Is it that call you are talking about. Because I viewed and heard him, Hillery, Dean, Kerry, Billy, and many others all cry out out this guy has WMD’s and needed to be stopped, and this was WAY, WAY, before Bush was even a candidate for president. Then you all attempt to rewrite history and blow the way the wind flows. Boy it is so easy when you lie about things, isnt it? Your as bad as him. He was the king of the rip off, the king of taking what wasnt his and making it his. The king of patting himself on the back and glorifying himself on earth. Much like this guy named Satan. He seeks to do the same thing. Shame on you for your lying and attempt to rewrite history.

      • Smilee

        Your the one re Writing historuy in this case!!!!!!!!

  • James

    I was critical of Sen. Byrd during his lifetime for many of the reasons mentioned but I think the article is untimely and distasteful because the man’s body is hardly cold yet. It’s also unbalanced for not referring to the many positive things he accomplished.

    • Tom

      The article is right on. It could have said he ruled West Virginia with an ron fist. Lawyers and judges made sure his friends won every thieving case they had. The idea that someone should be idealized just because they have passed away is nice for the family at the funeral, but to continue after that is dishonest and continues the lie that he was good for the State of West Virginia.

      • Emma

        Kudus to you, Tom, for stating it fairly.

      • Smilee

        Tom

        Right on only for those who are so filled with hate and and wish to use this pathetic way to vent with their ranting and raving. NO CHARACTER EITHER!!

    • Sprinklerman

      Okay, lets see what positive things he accomplished…

      Oh yeah, he led the Democratic fillibuster against the Civil Rights Act.

    • jim

      Those are FACTS which you LIB DEM SCUM have a Strong Aversion to!!! Who cares if his miserable carcass is cold yet or not, it does NOT change the FACTS!!!!!!!!!

      • BigD GottaGoTell It, Minnesota

        You Know Jim, This is What Exactly Exasperates & Pisses Me Off to NO END>

        Folks Like You Jim are the Exact Same Ones that Lost the Election for Us in 2008– Don’t You Get It?

        We Want to Win, Not Just Make Ourselves Feel GOOD!

        Comments Like Yours Really Have No Depth; Kind of SHALLOW, Tea Partyish.

        We Want to Win, Not FIGHT!

        • JeffH

          Wow! You’ve really straightened everybody out with your empty critique…

        • TIME

          Big D,
          And your point is what again. The man was an outright PIG, I said that to his face, and I say it now. I for one am glad he is dead as he can do no more damage nor be an SOB.

          Three Cheers for a dead pig.

          He is a textbook classic example of just whats wrong with this country.

    • spoonerist

      I agree that it is preferrable to avoid speaking poorly of the dead, especially the recently departed. So let us exercise good Christian manners and pray for the salvation of the soul of this racist porker who contributed so much to the decline of freedom in America. Let us pray that his successor will be more inclined to vote for lower taxes, less government, and more individual freedom. Let us objectively expose the harm he has done while still praying for his salvation. And most of all, let us never hesitate to point out the truth about what these corrupt politicians have done to destroy freedom, whether they did it from ignorance, arrogance, or because they were just plain evil. We might not always know which one of these was the cause, but the deleterious effects of their actions need to be recognized and exposed.

      • Ms. Jones

        Spoonerist, the man is dead. His soul has already reached the place his choices during life determined it spend eternity.

        • http://www.personalliberty.com Dorothy

          Thank you Ms.Jones. I couldn’t have said it better.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Ms. Jones… You couldn’t be more right. We cannot pray for anyone’s salvation after they are dead. This old coot lived long enough to know that. He was a thief and yet convincing. He put on a nice front around Barry and the boys. I can only imagine the thoughts he had! He probably wished he would have died before seeing a Mulatto as our president. It was probably what killed him!

      • American Citizen

        He made his bed, now he has to lie in it.

      • Christin

        I agree with Ms. Jones… once your dead it is worthless to pray for someone’s salvation… they are either in heaven or hell the minute they die. You have to pray for people while they are alive.

        My reverence is for God… the dead guys LED POORLY and don’t deserve it.

      • Emma

        Wow! You’ve got it all right, Spoonerest! I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    • Kirk

      Can you give a few examples of “GOOD THINGS” without it benefitting him and his State at the governments expense. Kanoodle

    • Smilee

      James says:
      July 9, 2010 at 5:59 am

      I agree, but that is the nature of those who run this blog!! and also the nature of so many here who post with echos!! Apparently it makes these haters feel good about themselves. What does that say about character??

      • TIME

        Smelly -
        I do know what it says VERY loud and clear about your character, all solely based on your mindless post day in and day out.

        Can you guess what that is?

        Let me explain it to you bubba so your gray matter stays smooth, hey we don’t want to upset the balance of your pretzel logic thinking.

        Your ignorance and out right stupidity as well your overt undertones of Vitriol far exceeds anyone here who has studied history.

        Of what its quite obvious your grasp of history is not much deeper than the prize in a box of Cracker Jacks.
        Thus that makes you an ignorant fool who would follow blindly into that good night any PIG that gave you a carrot, no matter what the end result, as your only interest is in the cheep fake gold bobble.

        Thus that makes you part of the problem – A progressive TOOL.

        • Smilee

          Smilee says:
          July 9, 2010 at 12:18 pm

          James says:
          July 9, 2010 at 5:59 am

          WOW, you must be really pissed to write such garbage that has no response what so ever to my post, just pure ranting and raving spewing out pure hate and a bunch of lies, I guess that clearly defines your character or rather the lack of character as you certainly have none, your just a confused, frustrated, angry and hateful person making so sense to those of us who are not and who are actually knowledgeable and your saying otherwise is nothing more than another of your lies.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Of all the posts I read in here, you sir, are the king of attack. You attack any and everyone who has an opinion different than yours. Im glad you differ from me, and me from you, thats what creative discussion is all about. But when you attack constantly, and I myself fall for it also, others want to attack you back. Thats because were dumb humans inside, and we are all fallen men. But I do find that most of your posts, are direct out of the democrat left wing liberal think tank, that we should all think and do as you say, because you know what is best for all of us. I dont need someone to think for me, and tell me what I should think. Evidently though, the democratic voters do.

          • Smilee

            Your wrong as ususal!!

      • Smilee

        TIME says:
        July 10, 2010 at 12:38 pm

        OOPS!! This post was written for Time, sorry James

        WOW, you must be really pissed to write such garbage that has no response what so ever to my post, just pure ranting and raving spewing out pure hate and a bunch of lies, I guess that clearly defines your character or rather the lack of character as you certainly have none, your just a confused, frustrated, angry and hateful person making so sense to those of us who are not and who are actually knowledgeable and your saying otherwise is nothing more than another of your lies.

    • meteorlady

      You would have to experience W. Virginia and the adjunct poverty and poor healthcare before you sing the praises of Bryd. The go look at the public works projects that are named after him. He spent his life hating blacks, and hid that bigotry for political reasons later in his life. He was just another senile politician that refused to give up power to someone more competent and able to perform the job with a clear head.

    • Judy Mimranek

      Bundy did a lot of positive things in his lifetime too but that doesn’t change the fact that he was a murderer and a creep !

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I dont think he is going to get cold anytime again pal.

  • Bobby W.

    Yeah, but he also had some damn nice interstate roads built, so the rest of us could pass through the state with ease!

    • Judy Mimranek

      You need to wake up and get a grip. All politicians do something good once in a while so they can stay in office ! DAH ! Would you vote for someone that did everything wrong all the time? I think not but I see you would vote for someone that could give you a snow job as to his good deeds ! Two wrongs never make a right and it is time we started holding all these people to a much higher standard ! Enough of the excuses for poor Mr. Byrd. He died happy and rich on our money and only had to do a few very public acts to get all you praise. What an idiot !

    • Carolyn

      When you really think about it. Do you really think he had the highways built for you? I am not from Byrd’s state but I had read plenty about him. To think he had statues of himself is very creepy. That is what dictators do. Perhaps you should research Byrd’s real history.

  • Walter

    Senator Byrd and Senator Kennedy were thieves who build monuments to themselves with money stolen from the average legal American taxpaying citizens that they were elected to represent. Both have been revered by the liberal media as icons, this forum is one of the few places where the truth about their despicable actions can be and should be told as a caution against repeating the mistakes fostered by electing men of this corruption to Congress.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Thank you sir for telling the truth. They built their legacy on using our hard earned money, then taking it for themselves and their glory within their states, to buy votes so that they could rule until they died. Both these guys have done so much damage to their states, as these states have learned to live off of government pork, and have never learned how to function properly and to fend for themselves. I think it is baloney that one state that has officials that run it properly, have funds taken away and given to states that have shown year after year that not only do they have no clue on how to run it properly and efficiently, but that they dont care either. Our Governor Mitch Daniels here in Indiana knows how to run things. He has kept us solvent and ahead of the game, even in this down economy. Yet the democrats in the state want him to take the surplus and blow it, so that in a few years when we need it, it wont be there, then we can apply to the feds to rape other states and get money like Byrd did in West Virginia all those years. The press can write all their lies and change the truth all they want, but Robert Byrd was a self promoting tyrant who did nothing but take money from other places, and glorify himself with what he left behind, with all this stuff named after him. He handcuffed his state, and for all the years he was there, he never made it self efficient, always waiting for the next handout, just like a good democrat. And now our left wing liberal media tries to out and out lie to the public and glorify this leper. Sad part is, there are uneducated simple minded people that think that if you hear it on TV or read it in the newspapers, that it is true, when in fact, it couldnt be further from the truth.

      • Born Conservative

        Beberoni -
        You just nailed it. If’n you were nearby, I’d buy ya that beer.

        I work downtown / Crossroads of America

      • Ms. Jones

        Well stated, fellow Hoosier! I become livid when people deify Chappaquiddick Ted and Pork Barrel Byrd. These guys used their tenure in the Senate to pick your pocket and mine in order to secure re-election for themselves. Unfortunately, the people who hold the power to limit terms of these Congress “lifers” through the ballot box often relent, telling themselves that their Senator or Congressman is okay because of the pork s/he brings home. The most egregious example of a Representative behaving as if his seat in Congress is his personal throne is Pete Stark, D-CA. Watch the YouTube videos of this guy mocking and disparaging his own constituents, and telling an interviewer to “Get the f*&% out of here before I throw you out the window”. He is the current “poster child” for term limits! I want to send a donation to whoever is running against him this November, but can’t find out who that might be. Anyone here from California?

        • Ms Hale

          Yes, I’m from CA. Byrd was a pig on many different levels and the fact he’s dead does not change that. Don’t speak ill of the dead?
          At least death stopped him from his illegal and racist activities. Too bad the American people didn’t first. And he was just one cog in the wheel of the destruction of our country.

          • Ms. Jones

            Ms. Hale, I was looking for a Californian to point me to whoever is running against Rep. Pete Stark, a congressman cut out of the same cloth as Byrd, Kennedy, et al. I found Chris Pareja, the Independent candidate, whose views closely mirror my own small government, constitutional, libertarian-ish views. The Tea Party out there supports him, as well. I would like to use this forum to briefly point other like-minded conservatives to his web page: ChrisPareja.com. I know times are tough all over, but every dollar helps an independent fighting an uphill battle against an entrenched incumbent with the Democratic machine behind him. Progressives/Liberals: Watch Pete Stark insult his constituents on YouTube, then ask yourself if this is a guy you want representing your views in congress. Is he?

        • JeffH

          Ms. Jones…always a good commenter…I thought it would be tough to find a more insensitive individual than Pelosi, but Stark almost makes Pelosi sound good, in a bad way. NAW!

        • Christin

          Don’t you guys find it a lot ironic that the Elite (clinton, obama) praise one of their own even when he was a terrible racist, unamiable and rudely outspoken representative in Congress as well as a horrifically selfish person (greed for pork for his state), BUT if it had been one of us we would be labled racist and deemed a Terrorist.

          In Chip’s clip Byrd couldn’t even talk or think straight, why was he allowed to run and hold that position. I say good riddens to the last three Demos that died: Myrtle, Kennedy and Byrd. They were very bad for our Republic… ALL three. We are better off. We need Statesmen/ Stateswomen.

          I don’t want to play their CLASS system, nor pay them six figures for life when most of us make less while employed and even less when we retire. Laws the Legislature makes for America should apply to all citizens… since when has this changed? Why are THEY above the law? (I’d put hollywood and professional athletes in that group, too.)
          TERM LIMITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Christin

            And CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING… dah!

            oh yea, obama, “It’s the Economy… STUPID” Get a Clue.
            Does anybody remember that one?
            Just incase you can’t figure that one out BO/aka BS you’re suppose to build it up, not tear it down and dig us in debt at lightning speed.

            I apologize if I am short tempered today… I can only take so much stupidity.

          • Christin

            I meant Murtha… sorry.

          • kate8

            Christin, they are still singing the praises of racists and murderers. Hillary said she admires eugenicist Margaret Sanger, who wanted to eliminate the negro race. And, of course, they admire Chairman Mao, Karl Marx, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro…Need I go on?

            And still we have plenty of Americans who simply dismiss these facts and keep voting for dems.

            And they have the nerve to call US dim.

        • rwnut

          Ms.Jones…..Unfortunatly I’m from Kaleeforneeah.We need all the help we can get! Thanks. Forest Baker for Congress—Republican Candidate—-U.S. House of Representatives—–California,District 13
          http://www.ForestBakerForCongress.com—-(408-391-8231)

      • http://www.pbondillustration.com paul

        you just offendedlepers!

      • American Citizen

        Right on, Beberoni. From one Hoosier to another. It’s time for a complete turnover in D.C., and I don’t mean the kind that looks like a donut.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          American Citizen,
          You wouldn’t be that far off with the other kind of turnover either. In D.C., if you start with a complete turnover(donut), turn your back and you will only have a quarter-turnover and be missing your gold fillings as well!. They’re ALL thieves, just some are bigger than others!!

      • Emma

        Kudus! What I’d like to see is a list of what, if anything, he actually did that was good for W.V. I’d really love to see that. The man, when he did get money diverted to W.V., undoubtedly pocketed most of it before anything could be done in his State. I hope all voters in all states will continually shuffle the deck down in Washington. It doesn’t do for anyone to be in office longer than 2 terms at the most.

  • John Russillio

    Well said Chip, I’ve long held to the fact that this man was indeed a racist who with his views of the American people held us in contempt. His despicable speech during the Clinton hearings for impeachment was a blow to honesty in our elected officials. Now, who comes to his side to payback but the man who began our government to the present levels but Clinton himself !! His speech recently stated he (Byrd) was young during his membership in the KKK and really wasn’t considered a racist. What a crock !!!! Statues placed in his honor all over West Virgina is another joke to be paid for by the taxpayers of America. Where do we keep those tanks again to help pull them down with big chains then hit them with our shoes???

  • Joe D

    Yes Byrd did use the N word. Remember that was common then. What is worse use the N word and then shack up with a Black Woman and never tell the world you fathered a child liek Strom T.
    Most of the “heroes” of American have feet of Clay. MacArthur ordered American Troops to fire on American WWI vets. Most were unarmed

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Where do you get that MacArthur had American troops fired on?

      • Bob Wire

        Hmm? ~ A Thomas Mc Arthur Anderson ~~ is the only thing I find even close to such an event. I’ve suffered through Douglas Mc Arthur’s autobiography ~ there was no mention of such.

        here’s the only account I find of Thomas Mc Arthur

        >”In the Antietam Campaign:
        Captain Anderson remembered Antietam later:
        “… with the Army of the Potomac, marching to meet Lee in Maryland. At South Mountain we were under fire but held in reserve. The Twenty-third Ohio Volunteer Infantry was immediately in our front. I asked a young commissary-sergeant of the Twenty-third who was in command of his regiment. He told me Major Hayes. As he was an old acquaintance I rode forward and spoke to him. As the commissary sergeant was William McKinley, within two minutes I spoke to two men who subsequently became Presidents of the United States.”

        “On the afternoon of the 16th of September, while we approached the battle-field of Antietam, some negroes were digging post-holes to the left of the road. When the enemy opened an artillery fire on us these discolored Americans tried to hide in the holes. When, however, some of their shells struck the ground near by and threw showers of dirt over them, they popped out of their holes and sprinted across the field, rolling over whenever a shell exploded. This performance amused our men so, that they seemed to lose all sense of fear. Our brigade marched on and formed line of battle to the left of Sharpsburg with the right resting below the stone bridge. Just before daybreak on the 17th the First Battalion crossed the bridge and took open order just beyond. Later in the day the Fourth and the Fourteenth went over, and this force moved up to the crest of the hill in front of Sharpsburg. Pleasanton’s cavalry crossed over and formed to the right of the bridge. The Third Infantry and the battalion of the Eighth and Twelfth were held in support of the artillery, which was firing on the enemy from our side of the creek. In the afternoon I was directed to detail two men to assist in working the guns. As old Martin Burke had insisted oil training our men in artillery drill, they were able to give most efficient assistance.”

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Beberoni and Bob Wire,

        In June, 1932, thousands of WWI vets were camped out in Washington, D.C., calling for immediate payment of a bonus they were promised but was set to be paid in 1945. Washington police attempted to remove the demonstrators from the camps but were unsuccessful. Shots were fired by the police and two protesters died and a number of police officers were injured. President Hoover sen the U.S. Army, led by Gen. MacArthur and assisted by Eisenhower and Patton, to stop a march by the demonstrators. Hoover told MacArthur not to move on the camp, but MacArthur ignored the the order and chose to clear out the camp. Hundreds of civilians were injured in the clash. MacArthur said he thought he was fighting a communist revolution.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        P.S. Hoover did nothing to reprimand or discipline MacArthur, prompting Democrat candidate FDR to say of Hoover: “There is nothing inside the man but jelly!”

        • Bob Wire

          Thank you Mr. Livingston, for clarify the occasion and jogging my memory. I remember such an event but failed to associate it with Mc Arthur, not his finest hour I would think and a shadowy reminder of a young cannoneer Napoleon.

          Again, much thanks.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Thank you for the clarification. I was not aware of this. I heard that towards the end MacArthur got too big for his own britches, but I didnt realize he went that far.

  • http://gmail Tomm Payne

    It’s bad that we have to wait for death to get rid of an
    undesirable in the senate or anywhere else in congress.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Yet another case for term limits. We dont need guys getting so entrenched like this that it takes their death to dig them out.

      • Judy Mimranek

        I agree. I say it is time for Americans to learn how to flush the toilet the first time around !

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Now thats funny, I dont care who you are. That is funny.

  • Richard Quiggle

    It’s kind of ironic that the republicans would accent Byrd’s KKK past when they use racism as part of their party outreach. Of course they like to claim that this is not the case by picking prominent blacks to fill high profile spots….the trouble is they pick uncle tom blacks who sell out their own race for a chance to be with the big boys. Clarence Thomas was a good example. I can’t imagine the republican party going to bat for him with his shady, Anita Hill harrassing self, unless of course he was one of the rare breed of blacks that go against their own race in embracing the right wing “silent” racism of the republican party.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Your insert of Uncle Tom shows you to be the racist here. Why is it that people like you, and racist blacks, call an educated Black man who speaks clearly and had morals and direction, an Uncle Tom? And the democrats were against freeing the slaves, remember? And they are all for creating more social agencies to give poor blacks handouts to keep them down and in their place, and you know that is true also. The republicans have done more for black America than the democrats have ever thought about doing. You sir, are the one that appears to be the racist here.

      • Born Conservative

        When it comes to the discussion of Slavery – IF YOU google it up, you will find that quite a few BLACKS were actually who owned more slaves than a lot of white folk.

        Course, that leads us to Blacks protecting Blacks, in probably the only way left open to them in that Century. Still…….

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Actually, from what Ive read on it, slavery was started by blacks owning other blacks, who then sold them to white Americans who brought them over here, where they actually had it better than when they were owned by black owners in Africa. Thing is, shouldnt we all be Americans? Im tired of the race card, and the playing the victim everytime its convenient, then fall back to what happened 100 years ago. My family immigrated here from Prussia, when Kaiser Wilhelm was taking over everything, and they were wealthy, owned a castle, and had to forfeit everything they had and rather than live in tyranny, they made it here. Now I do not feel for one second that the German people owe me a thing. Those that did this have long died. Those relatives of mine that this was done to are long gone also. I am not a Prussian-American, or a German-American or a Polish-American. No, I am an American. So why can you black folks be Americans? Why claim you want to be accepted and equal, yet set yourselves aside from the rest of America, and insist on calling yourself African Americans? Its stinking silly. Ive been to Africa twice, so Ive got more a right to call myself that than 95 percent of black America. Get over the race thing, quit being a victim, and stand up and be an equal, be an American. A black man is president. A black man is the home run king in baseball. A black man, Lebron James or Michael Jordan, whichever way you lean, is the best basketball player ever. There is nothing that you cannot do or achieve here in the United States, regardless of your skin color. So please stop the racism and playing the dead race card. It is so unbecoming, and all it does is stir racial strife. But as long as guys like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are running around, we will have racial strife, for without it, they wouldnt have a job.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And I need to add, yes slavery sucked. I am totally against it, and would never stand for it. However, it happened, and now it is gone, so lets get over it. I am a Christian, and Christianity went through what was called the dark ages, when they were misleading themselves and killing everyone who they deemed wasnt a Christian. They realized it was wrong and went through a reformation, and put this terrible chapter to rest. Does that mean I should keep going back and digging it up, and using it as an excuse whenever it fits? NO. Its over and done with, and its time to live for today. Today may be all we have. We are not promised tomorrow, and yesterday is dead and gone. Learn from it, and go on. When you keep looking back, something just might catch you. Revenge is my says the Lord, so if someone needs to pay for what they did, Im pretty sure He can handle it. But us people on earth need to forgive and forget, and move on with our lives, and quit paying the victim all the time. Its old and tired and worn out.

          • Smilee

            Now home come you do not apply that to SENATOR BYRD?

      • kate8

        Isn’t it interesting that, while whites run the gamut of the ideological spectrum, democrates think that blacks can only be democrats, as if they own them.

        The Republican Party was formed as a party for the freed slaves, and it wasn’t until MLK Sr. made an unholy pact with the JFK administration in order to free his son from the legal system, promising to deliver the black vote, that this changed. Democrats have held them in bondage, slavery, ever since. And of the worst kind: the slavery of the mind.

        If blacks attempt to break ranks and think for themselves, they suffer the wrath and ridicule of their “masters”, as demonstrated by Mr. Quigley. They do everything they can to make sure they control their “herd”, and to keep them “in their place”. They are kept believing that they are dependent upon the democrat party.

        This is true racism. This is bondage. Thank God that more an more people are beginning to see through this.

        Some things never change.

        • JeffH

          kate8, if only more people could understand what you say is the truth. Democrats fear the fact of a more educated African American. The fear is that if African Americans new the Democratic Party takes them for granted they would leave. In the last three elections the Democrats have used fear, pandering, and portraying Republican opponents as racists in order to receive record numbers of African American Votes. We all see it happening, even today. Bill Clinton was a master of black exploitation.
          African Americans have elected Democrats for years and Democrats have given lip service to fixing the community’s troubles, yet Democratic mayors and Democratic governors have failed time and time again, yet continue to garner black votes despite blocking some of the most important legislation benefiting the black Community. Polls have shown a majority of African Americans are for school choice, Social Security reform, and against abortion and gay marriage. Most Democrats stand on the opposite side of these issues. Yet, African Americans continue to vote in large numbers for Democrats who consistently fail to deliver needed changes.

          • Bob Wire

            Jeff;>>”kate8, if only more people could understand what you say is the truth. Democrats fear the fact of a more educated African American.”<<

            There we have it! The only affirmation we need to justify that thinking with a color bias is acceptable and the correct way to think! " If people COULD ONLY UNDERSTAND" says Jeff, ~Jeff, we do understand! We understand how you think and feel. But many of us has accepted our bigotry, faced it head on and know it for what it is. We have disciplined our "thought process" to filter out racial bias. AND IT NOT EASY! So we do understand the battle that's before you and your refuse to confront.

            It's much like attempting to think and conduct yourself like a Christian.
            IT'S NOT EASY! If it was easy, living as a Christian would be a "snap" an easy road to travel. I find it very hard to live as I was taught, it's something a Christian works hard at everyday. Loving your enemy is so very hard to do. But if you can manage that, the rest does get easier. ~ and every day, I fall from grace, I fall short, but I keep trying.

            We all per-judge,~ it's the nature of the mind, as it preforms it's process of assimilating information. We are all predisposed by programming of parents, life experiences and what we consume, take in.

            We all have had bad experiences, we all have been exposed to bad programming.

            It's for each individual, to clean out some of these old files and corrupt programs that impede personal growth.

            or not.

          • Smilee

            Looks like you left them both speechless, funny how the truth sometimes does that, there is a lot of racists in denial on this site. To infer that blacks cannot think for themselves is racism in itself as they think of them as inferior to them. Blacks do think for themselves and came to the conclusion that they wish to vote mostly for democrats.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You are correct my friend. Anyone who cares to look into history, will see the democratic party has not been a friend of the black American. They didnt even want to free them, and fought vehemently against it. Now they have even convinced the NAACP to try to publicly denounce the Tea Party as racist, which couldnt be further from the truth. The only Tea Party organizer I know here in town, just happens to be a black man, who is a very smart guy, very articulate, and a common guy who works for UPS. He know’s the democratic party is not his friend. They have one goal in mind for black America, and that is to keep them dependant on food stamps and welfare, and beholden to the democratic party, so that they can get the black vote, when in fact, all they have done over all these years, is keep blacks down. Maybe real soon, like the election in 2012, when the democrats throw Obama under the bus, and run Hillery, then black America can see what these guys are all about. It just might take that, which is sad, because if one took the time to look into their party and what they have done, they might find out the truth about these guys.

          • Smilee

            Beberoni says:
            July 16, 2010 at 10:13 am

            Wrong as ususal. angry too now!!

        • Bob Wire

          >>”Isn’t it interesting that, while whites run the gamut of the ideological spectrum, democrats think that blacks can only be democrats, as if they own them.”<<

          It's interesting perhaps to think it! But to even think along such lines validates that "one thinks" in "colors" ~ I can not , no one can stop you from that, ~ thinking

          That is your battle to fight, but you see no need! Your thoughts self validating! The battle to never be fought and you will never change.

          • kate8

            BW, I’m not sure what you were babbling about there, but I still maintain that it’s the democrats who think in terms of color. On a BIG scale. It is they who work to divide us along these lines, by forming caucuses and other racial groups, inciting anger over historic grievences, promoting blame toward whites (quite openly) and causing distrust among everyone. And then on top of this, the government gives them all money to move into predominately white neighborhoods in order to create more tension. They did this for POWER through division. So, of course, people are suspect of those whom they do not share common ground.

            Why are blacks ridiculed and called “Uncle Toms” by your ilk when they align with conservative thinking, if not for purposes of keeping them in line? It’s how liberals operate to control everything.

            Conservatives, just like people of all pursuasions, prefer to live and congregate among those of like mind. You libs only accept minorities if they think like you, so why would you expect us to be any different? Conservatives accept people of other ethnicities with open arms when they come our way, without the condescension and “ownership” mentality that libs exude.

            You libs are so obsessed with race that you can’t see past it. You are the ONLY ones who bring it up in a negative way, and you just can’t get beyond it because it is a tool for you.

            More and more minorities are catching on to this, and we conservatives welcome them gladly. And not just for votes, but because we truly desire liberty for all.

          • TIME

            Well Bob, Its kind of ironic in a way as the Democrats do in fact come looking for {Young Blacks and Hispanic’s,} how do I know that?

            I am one, it was a Democrat who came to enlisted me he was a Black Democrat who explained how they and only they could help me along.
            At a young age and having little backround in the overall grasp of how politic’s worked and even less in real history based on the lacking Education I had.
            Thats even having my Master at age 20, so as it were, Bob I may not have the highest IQ ever but lets be real Bob how many people do you know that had their Master’s from an Ivy League at age 20?

            It was not until I was in the UK at age 25 that I met a group of people who opened my eyes and yet I still couldn’t fathom that the KKK was started by democrats or that they hated me, or that democrats were holding back people that were Black, Hispanic as well Japanese, Chinese etc.
            I could not graps that these very people were raciest and that they were using me as a tool.

            I was 32 years old when I woke up 100%. So if your really an American Native then I have to ask why it is you have taken the easy road? Your far better than that.

            Do you really feel that people who find you repugnant and would kick you in a hole and shoot you in the head as fast as they could truly like you?
            Its very clear that the progressive marxist hate all of us of color.

            Can’t you grasp that, my god man you make many post where I can see that you do have good solid electric sparks, so I have to ask why are you aiding the Progressive Marxist who want you around as much as the plague?

            I understand that there are progresives in the Republican party too, but they are very few in number. Compare that with the fake rhetoric of 80% of the Democrats.
            Do you really think that Joe Lieberman thinks your ok? How about John Kerry? John Edwards, Nancy PigOsee, or Waxman? They hate you and I.

            Do you really think they care one dam bit about you? If you do they your only kidding yourself, just like I did for years.
            I thank God I awoke from my stupor.

            I ask you to please take the hate you have for anyone who’s not a Democrat out of your thinking for just a few moments and Ask God to forgive you and let you see clearly.

            I am not a Christian per sa’, but I understand what they think and how they feel. Let me be clear if Christ were here today I would stand at his side. So don’t let the few who are bad Christians taint you into thinking all are the same.

            Really dude, keep in mind my real father was 100% Mohawk, I was broght up by a American Japanese Family by the way who lost everything during WW II and yet they did not hate Americans, they were Americans and loved this land as their own.
            JFTR – both my mother and father left me before I was even 2 years old. I am a true American MUT, and very proud to say I am an American.

          • kate8

            TIME, it is so frustrating that we cannot have honest conversations about race because of the way democrats use it as a weapon. It just serves to keep us divided when we have to tiptoe around the truth.

            No one want to associate with people who are angry, who resent and hate them and even want to kill them, regardless of color. Yet, this is exactly what the left has fomented over the years, and then screams racism when we recoil from this. We are all interested in self-preservation and living in a comfortable, harmonious environment among people we understand and with whom we can form bonds.

            People always congregate and form communities among those who are like themselves. Just look at how differing cultures have taken over whole cities in the US, and have driven Americans out to seek refuge among other Americans in other areas. It’s considered acceptable for everyone except us. And it is getting increasingly more difficult.

            On the other hand, it is most wonderful to live among those who are friendly, accepting, respectful, considerate, caring and neighborly.
            Those whom we can trust. It is these things that are sorely lacking today, among all people. These are the things that most of us, as conservatives, value above all else.

            BTW, your posts are always thoughtful, insightful and enlightened. You are in a position to open the eyes of many. And I am sure you do.
            We will all, as lovers of liberty, stand shoulder-to-shoulder to bring down this insidious enemy who is very close to destroying all of us.

            God bless.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            In response to Time’s post: God bless you man. I agree with your post totally. And Im tired of the democrats presenting all others as racist, and that they alone are the friend of the blacks and hispanics. When in fact, it is there total direction, to give these groups little government handouts, and keep them dependant on the government, and keep getting their votes. And its a shame these two groups fall for their misleading propaganda bull crap. And if one really wants to talk about a group being racially prejudiced against, then we definately need to bring the American Indian into this, as they are the one, the only one, who has truly been screwed over by their own country. The blacks here have a better life than they had in Africa, the hispanics have a better life here than they had in Mexico. But the American Indian, this is their land, and they had everything taken from them, while be relagated to living on a Reservation, and to me, they are still being taken advantage of today. Our government and white man has screwed them since the time we arrived here, and I think its high time for a national apology, and some kind of attempt to make it right, even though you cannot ever erase what they did to them. Truth be told, Blacks and Hispanics know nothing about prejudice, unless they walk in the shoes of the American Indian. Then they just might learn something. Peace to you my friend.

    • http://earthlink Bogusbob

      Well, mr. Quiggle, if it were not for the repubs., the civil rights bill would have never passed. Byrd voted against it as did a lot of other democrats. Anita Hill was a liar anyway.
      But this is typical for dissatisfied blacks. If the black guy is a republican, or a conservative, he is obviously an Uncle Tom. I suppose you support the New Black Panther Party as well.

    • Ruby

      I agree with Beberoni and Bogusbob – YOU are the racist. Why would you bring it up, if that isn’t the way you think and conduct your every day life. I have a neighbor that only talks about the racist experiences he has throughout his day…hmmmmmm…I wonder why. Well…perhaps he wakes up wondering who will find offense that he’s black. I don’t know how many times I’ve told him to stop thinking that way, and that us non-blacks (I’m hispanic) TRULY don’t think that way.

      I’ve commented before that whoever plays the race card first is indeed the racist.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And I would like to add this about racism. When I graduated high school in 1976, affirmative action was in high swing. I went to over 15 business’s, who all told me, and told me right to my face, that they couldnt hire me because I was white. Now I dont care who you are, that is racism with a capital R. Yet I had no one to champion my cause, no one to turn to, and I couldnt play the victim, nor would I. I didnt need to. I was on the verge of becoming a man, so it was time to start acting like a man. So I took my only alternative at the time, and I joined the military, learned a trade, and after my 4 years I got out and Ive worked successfully ever since. No need to play the victim or the race card, and walk around saying woe is me so and so is out to get me. Why defeat yourself? Stand up and be man, and dont worry about what color your skin is. There are successful blacks, hispanics, whites, jews, Indian, orientals, and every walk of life. There are also failures in every race, color and creed. But to make yourself a victim and cite your skin color for it, is a cop out that is old and worn out, and needs to go away, and the sooner the better not only for all of us, but for that person even more so.

    • Ms. Jones

      Richard, I dispute your contention that the Republican party uses racism as an official outreach or plank in their platform. Yes, as evidenced herein, there are plenty of conservatives making some truly ugly racial slurs on this forum, but please don’t tar us all with the same brush! I personally believe everyone is created in the image of Almighty God, and therefore worthy of dignity and respect. I echo Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s call for a color-blind society where a man or woman is judged by the content of his/her character, and not by his/her complexion. If you read each post carefully, you will find that there are thinking, rational people on both sides of these arguments, just as there are ignorant, name-calling people in both camps. I read a post on this forum yesterday where a very sincere-sounding Liberal suggested that 95% of blacks voted for Obama because he came up from the same poverty and broken home that they did. WOW! Call me on it if I’m wrong, but doesn’t that smack of racism? I mean, to suggest that ALL blacks are poor and from broken homes? That’s an insult to an awful lot of black folks, isn’t it? And doesn’t it reek of that Liberal attitude that social programs are necessary because “these people” can’t take care of themselves properly? As an independent thinker, I will vote for anyone–black or white, male or female–whose views and policies closely mirror my own. In other words, someone who represents me. Shouldn’t all people, even minorities, be extended that same freedom? To suggest that black Americans should march in lock step in support of Obama because he is black seems to be a subtle kind of enslavement or racism, at least in my view.

      • JeffH

        Ms. Jones, well said as usual and very true. That is all any of us should want.

      • kate8

        Ms. Jones, very well said.

        It’s just another way progressives control all of the poor, making them believe that they are victims who cannot survive without them. It’s a way of keeping them angry, explosive and permanently “downtrodden”. And for the sole purpose of keeping them in power.

        All men have the capacity to better their lot, if given the liberty to do so. And it is only by doing this themselves that they gain self-respect and appreciation for liberty. Yet, democrats treat the poor, and especially the black poor, like they don’t have the capacity on their own. How insulting. How condescending. How racist.

        • Bob Wire

          >>”Yet, democrats treat the poor, and especially the black poor, like they don’t have the capacity on their own. How insulting. How condescending. How racist.’<<

          So true! kate8 ~ that this happens is sad and needs to be offered resistance. That it's exclusively democrats, all or some ~ I'd disagree with you.

          • kate8

            Perhaps so, BW. But it is the conservative ideology to allow everyone the opportunity, through freedom, to succeed or fail on their own.

            No one is going to offer opportunity to those who resent or hate them. But anyone with a real willingness to embrace the idea of excellence and move forward in their life will find doors opening to them. It’s just the law of the universe. No good ever comes from being angry, resentful and blaming.

            All peoples on the Earth have suffered oppression and indignities somewhere in their history. My ancestors were slaughtered at the hands of the Romans, yet I don’t expect a check from Rome. All that really matters is who we are today, and having the freedom to come to better thinking.

            The world will not be made better through hate, anger or force. It will be made better through love. Love is the glue that binds all life, and anything else leads only to destruction.

          • JeffH

            kate8, with all the well thought comments that BW sometimes displays, his liberal negative side is quite glaring…the accusations of hate and racism are nothing more than the extension of the liberal rhetoric. BW is all to often a Jaberwocky in disguise.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            True, so true!!!!

      • meteorlady

        You will never have a truly color blind society until the likes of Jesse, Al, and others stop defining races. They make their livings off of keeping us separate and giving excuses to minorities for failures. Most have made their way in this country by taking advantage of their educational benefits, learning to live within the system and working hard. The Jesse and Als of the world say they are “poor” because they are discriminated against. The rest of us just put our heads down and work hard to over come obstacles and make better lives for ourselves and our children. If they preached unity and education and rolled up their sleeves and actually did something for their communities instead of the constant search for publicity maybe things would be different.

        • kate8

          Amen, meteorlady.

          • Claire

            And double Amen.

        • Judy Mimranek

          I also agree. I have said many times that anyone who wants to succeed can. I sat in the same classrooms as many other people of several different races and they got the same education I did. If they didn’t recieve it whose fault is that? You can’t open someones head and pour it in whether they want it or not. Sometimes I wish they could because it would have made it a lot easier for me ! I worked hard for every “C” I got ! Even some “D’s” ! It boils down to our own attitude. Either you give yourself a good and positive one or suffer the consequences. It matters more , what you think of yourself than what someone else thinks of you. If you think good of you that will spill over and soon others with think good of you too.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        When someone of color runs for office, and over 90 percent of the people of his color vote for him, that speaks large volumes about the level of racism that exists in that race. Can you imagine what the election results would have been if over 90 percent of white people voted for McCain just because he was white? That would definately show a racial problem with white people, and a bad one at that. But we all know that didnt happen, and that it wont happen. There is a race problem going on, but I have to look at the facts, and go elsewhere to find the root of it.

        • Smilee

          spin spin spin, How can you be sure they voted for him because he was black or because they sincerely belived he was the best man for the job. Is that just to deep for you to understand. Truth be told no one really knows and you sir are no mind reader and your deluding yourself when you think you can!!

    • American Citizen

      Anita Hill was lying. That hearing was a travesty. Kennedy and other Dems there were bent on his not being confirmed. Your calling blacks Uncle Toms because they vote with some sense shows who the racist is here.

      • Bob Wire

        I always wondered about Anita Hill, the whole process had an odor to it.

        Well, he got his judgeship anyway, ~ so did the system of selection work?

      • Smilee

        AC

        It appears to me you clearly are!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Ive got to check something out with you Smilee. Now I know you voted for Obama over McCain. Question is, if Condoleeza Rice was running for the Republicans, and Joe Biden was running for the democrats in the last election, who would have you voted for? Just wondering, and really wondering if youll tell me the truth.

          • Smilee

            I jnever told anyomne who I voted for and never will!! Your not the mind reader you think you are!

    • meteorlady

      Pathetic attempt Richard. Every single American like Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice made it on their own. They are vexcellent representatives in their chosen professions and deserve their places in history and honor. There are many many people that are leaders in their occupations. Your post would lead me to believe that you are a racist. If someone doesn’t believe in your point of view – then they are racist, bigoted, red neck, uncle toms, bible thumpers, teabaggers or some other derogatory term. Get a life and grow up – this is America and I’m willing to give anyone the benefit of a break without regard to their color.

    • libertytrain

      Mr. Quiggle – there’s a certain irony when you choose to call Black Republicans – Uncle Tom – but not Democratic Black men Uncle Tom? Kind of smacks loudly of racism, don’t you think? So very Democratic Party of you.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I did notice how they seemed to shun Colin Powell all those years, and labeled him, until he broke ranks and said some things, then all the sudden he was embraced by them. Funny how that works.

  • Meg

    Byrd was a career politician and an example of why we need to put a limit on every Politician’s length of stay in the government.
    DC needs new people in both parties.
    In these economic times we need to cut the pork! Maybe we need a whole new party!

    • Bud in San Antone

      The he only difference between this bigot bastard and any other bigot bastard is, this one is dead, thank God.

    • Bud in San Antone

      The he only difference between this bigot bastard and any other bigot bastard is, this one is dead. It’s too bad it took an act of

      It’s too bad that it took an act of God to remove this bumb from office. I’ve traveled through West Virginia and believe me he didn’t have much to show for all of out money that he spent.

      • Smilee

        Boy you really are ugly and full of hate!! No character either!!

        • Meg

          You are right! Hate never solves anything! We need to set examples for our young people regarding the way we express opinions. No need for nasty comments. This is the problems with America right now…when a president and vice president can be heard using not nice language it makes me sad for our young children of today! I pray every day for God to put the right people in place to govern America.
          God Bless America.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Meg,
            If it bothers you to have your children hear the truth, unvarnished TRUTH, then don’t let them see this site!!! I taught my kids that the truth is still the truth even if it hurts and a lie is still a lie no matter how many pretty bows and jewels you put on it!

          • Smilee

            TRUTH ON THIS SITE????????????? ROTFL

          • kate8

            Meg, Smilee has locked up his mind and thrown away the key. He is a poster child for progressive indoctrination and spiritual stagnation.

            Don’t even bother to engage him. Trust me on this one.

          • Smilee

            kate8 says:
            July 10, 2010 at 1:39 pm

            TRUST YOU??????? Only a fool would trust you or believe anything you say as your incapable of ascertaining any truth!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Yes Smilee, the truth is all over on this site. If you choose not to see it, well, thats between you and God, and you can sort that out later. But to those of us who dont live our lives with an agenda, and seek the best for this country and for our lives, we know the truth when we hear it, and we see destestable behavior from our leaders when we see it. And when we see our so called # 1 leader, offer no solutions, no plan, no course of action, just keep spending money and attempting to buy future votes for his party, and doing the things he does to weaken this country, it upsets us greatly, because we truly love this United States of America. We dont believe in giving comfort to the enemy, and buying them lawyers. We dont believe in footing the bill for criminals that illegally enter this country. We dont believe in telling an enemy we are fighting as to when we are leaving. We dont believe in being part of the problem, standing there pointing fingers and placing blame, we believe in rolling up the shirt sleeves, getting to work and being a part of the solution. We dont believe in sucking live living babies out of their mothers womb, and then even using America tax payers money and funding it in third world countries. We dont believe in getting in bed with anti Americans like George Soro’s, and owing him favors that are detrimental to the United States of America. We dont believe in embracing the muslim religion that has sworn to destroy us. We dont believe in this stuff he is doing, because in all truth, it is not in the best interests of the United States of America and it’s people, and that is who this community organizer was elected to represent, but it seems he representing all but us. That is the problem. The facts of the truth are there, if you would take off your left wing liberal biased blinders and examine the facts. The truth will set you free. Now I have stated facts about what he has done and what he is doing, and now you will come back with your biased opinion, void of facts, and call me a hater, but you know what I always say pal, THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE. Have a great day.

          • Smilee

            Beberoni says:
            July 16, 2010 at 10:13 am

            THE TRUTH HAS ALREADY SET ME FREE, THAT HOW i KNOW HOW IN DENIAL YOU ARE, YOUR WRONG AS USUSAL!

  • Norm

    Following are the top 20 Senate earmark recipients in 2009 — 12 Democrats, 8 Republicans.

    1. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.): $122,804,900

    2 Richard Shelby (R-Ala.): $114,484,250

    3. Kit Bond (R-Mo.): $85,691,491

    4. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.): $76,899,425

    5. Thad Cochran (R-Miss.): $75,908,475

    6. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska): $74,000,750

    7. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa): $66,860,000

    8. James Inhofe (R-Okla.): $53,133,500

    9. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.): $51,186,000

    10. Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii): $46,380,205

    11. Patty Murray (D-Wash.): $39,228,250

    12. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.): $36,547,100

    13. Pat Leahy (D-Vt.): $36,161,125

    14. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.): $35,577,250

    15. Robert Casey (D-Pa.): $27,169,750

    16. Harry Reid (D-Nev.): $26,628,613

    17. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.): $25,320,000

    18. Herb Kohl (D-Wis.): $23,832,000

    19. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.): $21,952,250

    20. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.), retired: $19,588,625

    These, and many other senators, simply have no shame.

    • TIME

      Norm as per your norm, Spector changed to be a Democrat. So please take note of that fact, as he was a RINO at best when he was a Rep.

      • Norm

        TIME
        I didn’t catch it, but would it have really made a difference?

        • STEVEN

          THANKFULLY PA WILL ELECT A REAL DEMOCRAT THIS NOVEMBER. SEND THE RINO (NOW DINO) HOME

    • eddie47d

      Since Richard Shelby R-Al, is #2 in the big spender list will the folks demonize him now or wait until he’s dead. Is it different strokes for different folks or different political parties?

      • jbird

        eddie47d
        I live in Alabama, am a conservative, and constantly rip Shelby for his profligate spending practices. I write his office regularly, and call occasionally to complain. I cast my vote against him in June in the primary. Unfortunately, he got about 70 percent of the vote. His campaign war chest is in the multi-millions. His primary opponent only had about $30,000 to spend. BTW: Shelby’s a former Democrat and I consider him a RINO. I would love to see him out of office.

        • STEVEN

          AT LEAST YOU DON’T HAVE IDIOT HALEY BARBOUR AS YOUR GOVERNOR. SHELBY IS A JERK, TOO.

          • Smilee

            A couple of weeks ago on a sunday morning talk show Halley said Obama was doing the best job possible in the gulf oil spill and had no complaints on him on that issue. That was not reported on FOX!!

    • Claire

      All politicians are on the “take.” They all go after earmarks and they take them.

    • VMCox

      Six of the top ten are R’s, so what’s the point.

      My senator works for my state, and part of the job, is
      to secure funding for projects that benefit the constituents…

      • vicki

        When they discover they can vote largess from the public trough……

      • American Citizen

        Most of it is stolen goods.

      • STEVEN

        AND MY SENATORS WERE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY BIG OIL. NOW LOOK AT THE DISASTER THAT HAS BROUGHT THIS PLANET IN THE GULF OF MEXICO. NOW THE SUPREME COURT WILL ALLOW MORE COMPANIES TO BUY MORE SENATORS.

      • meteorlady

        I think if you dig deep enough you will find that your senator along with most others, get money for projects and the funnel it to their biggest campaign contributors. Norm Dicks and others have taken to funneling the “pork” through local Universities in order to conform to the no ear marks law. In the case of Dicks, the money went to a contractor without any others bidding on the project. Nice to know they can use under the table tactics to still funnel the money to their contributors.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Good post Norm. Im glad our guy from Indiana wasnt on there. He knows how to run our state.

  • Big Stick

    Some pork for bridges to nowhere.

    Some pork for loans to people who can’t pay it back. To support the realestate bubble.

    Some pork for military bases

    Some pork for their states.

    After all that is who elected them.

    Some pork for wall street.

    Louisiana porks for chemicals and oil.

    So easy to kick him now that he is dead.

    Look at who wallstreet is buying. Stay in the present.

  • Bye Byrd

    Now a republican can take his slop.

    Business as usual in politics corrupted by capitalism.

    • vicki

      Politics corrupted by desire for power not Capitalism. Capitalism is an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.

      There is NO connection between the corrupt spending habits of our politicians and Capitalism.

      • American Citizen

        There’s not a politician up there that could own a business and make it a success. There are far too many lawyers who know how to rape the system.

        • STEVEN

          AND THE JOHN ROBERTS SUPREME COURT WILL ALLOW THE RAPE TO CONTINUE. WHEN WILL JOHN ROBERTS BE IMPEACHED?

  • mavis

    WHY DO WE LET OLD SENILE MEN AND WOMEN STAY IN CONGRESS. REGARDLESS OF TERM LIMITS THERE SHOULD BE A RETIREMENT AGE. ONLY THE SUPREME COURT IS A LIFETIME POSITION AND THAT SHOULD HAVE AN AGE LIMIT NO ONE SHOULD BE NOMINATED BELOW THE AGE OF 60 AND A RETIREMENT AGE OF 75. KAGAN &
    SOTOMYER SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED AND EVERYONE ELSE
    WHO IS BELOW 60. THEY NEED TO BE CONFIRMED ONLY IF THEY ARE WILLING TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION AND IF THEY DON’T THEY
    SHOULD BE FIRED!!!!!!!!MEHPENSACOLA,FL

    • Ruby

      Well…that’s their main purpose (to interpret the Constitution); and that’s why they go through the confirmation hearings, etc. They still are confirmed…go figure.

    • Ms Hale

      You’re right about Sotomayer because she’s a racist against white Americans.
      And right about people who are getting too old to serve effectively.
      What’s worse is that once they leave office they get paid the same salary for the rest of their lives. Imagine how much $$$ we would save if that was eliminated. Same for X presidents. They are all rich before they enter office, have lucrative careers afterwards, why should we continue to pay them?

      • meteorlady

        Everyone that says they “get paid” their same salary for the rest of their lives is wrong. Please google this and find the answers for yourselves but I can say this: they have a retirement plan just like corporations offer their employees, they must be vested for at least five years before collecting. They pay into these plans with their own money. The senator has the same retirement and the postal worker. Oh, and they do pay into SS.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          meteorlady,
          the part about them paying into SS is correct but only in the recent past. Before they didn’t pay and could collect just like anyone that did!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Actually, what Ive read, is that they get paid much more. Ive read that once they have served the two terms in congress, they have a pension of like 260,000.00 a year for life. The arent paid that much when they are working.

    • eddie47d

      I believe Byrd was to old and not sharp enough to handle crucial issues. Ben Franklin was 70 years old,would you feel the same way about him? Thomas Jefferson served 40 years to his Country and Henry Lee served 18 years for Virginia. It’s what a person has upstairs that counts not age. We are now living longer and senior have more to give as they age.

      • Meg

        You are right on….age is not the problem. Experience in life, good knowledge and education, although life is an education in itself. Honesty is very important regarding any office you might hold. Men and Women who are able to work together to make America better!
        God Bless America….I truly am glad to be an AMERICAN!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Meg,
          there was a supreme court justice that later on in his career slept through cases and still made decisions on them. When asked about it he said why do I have to be awake? I know what my ruling will be!!! Lets hope you never have to go before a justice like that! If he is too old to remain awake, then he is too old to be on the bench. I forget his name but perhaps time or JC can remember him.

          • JeffH

            Joe H.

            YOUR GOVERNMENT AT WORK

            Snorer in the court? Ruth Bader Ginsburg snoozes
            Justice dozes off during political redistricting hearing, colleagues let her sleep

            “Justices David Souter and Samuel Alito, who flank the 72-year-old, looked at her but did not give her a nudge,” writes Holland.
            http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=35058

      • meteorlady

        Did you actually watch the YouTube thing? Gads – he can’t even stay awake standing on his feet and he made no sense at all. Senile…..

        • rwnut

          Ted Kennedy used to sleep in the Senate.Al Franken draws pictures of Sen.Sessions at the Kagan hearings,then falls asleep. Wouldn’t you love to know what was in his mind? Maybe not.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I do not want to know what is inside of Al Frankens head. It has to be something totally ugly and diabolical, because frankly, the dude isnt right. Good thing they got all those felons to vote him in, or he wouldnt have made it.

          • Smilee

            Beberoni says:
            July 16, 2010 at 11:00 am

            That is simply republican rhetoric, they are finding almost none voted certainly not enough to make a difference to change the outcome. Hennepin county the largest county in the state was accused of letting almost 500 felons vote when the county attorney investagated and found only 28 of them to be suspect and it is yet to be proven about these 28, other counties are finding out the same is true. This is the republicans trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill and claim a problem where none clearly exists, Typical republican tactic. Oh, and Frankin’s mind is no match for you to comprehend as he is far too intelligent for you to understand!

  • Bruce Eden

    I wish that they would bury these politicians upside down so that when you go to dig up dirt, the shovel goes right up where it belongs.

  • Carol Patterson

    Term limits begin and end at the BALLOT BOX. As they said in the
    ’60′s ….keep them uneducated and registered to vote…
    Took a while, but it worked, didn’t it????

  • http://ZZZZZZZ WINSTON

    YOU HAV,NT HEARD HALF OF WHAT BYRD HAS DONE. LISTEN TO THE CATHY OBRIEN LECTURES TO LEARN WHAT MONSTERS WE HAVE IN GUV,MINT.
    JUST CLICK ON HER NAME IN YOU TUBE FOR THE SHOCK OF YOUR LIFE

  • Bob Wire

    We normally attempt to speak of the departed in positive and flattering terms. So once again. FoX, just keeps giving.

    >>”There are more than 50 projects in West Virginia—all financed by taxpayers in other states—that are named for Byrd or his late wife Erma. Byrd frequently gloated about how much loot he was able to snare for his state”<<

    Now correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that what he was sent to capital hill by the people of West Virginia FOR? To represented their state and the people of West Virginia?

    Texas could use such a man! But I accept the notion Texas has had it's day in the sun with men the caliber of Lyndon Johnson, John Hightower and Loyd Benson. Now we are whittled down to butt boys and door stops like Kay B. Huggison.

    I'm proud for the people's of West Virginia and envy them of such a man as the Late Senator and saddened of their loss.

    For as Texas will attest, They are hard as hell to find and replace.

    The question before us today is ~ are we ushering in and demanding a new breed of politician? And if so, ~ what is to be the dynamics, the driving forces they must contend with? Who's to be in loudest their ear?

    I think this article most unbecoming ~ pampering to the lowest common denominator of the Media viewers, attempting to instill confusion and install a ring in their nose with a lease gripped in the hands of "special interest"

    • BrotherPatriot

      Anyone who thinks Byrd did a good job is either uneducated or in cohoots with the NWO/Bilderberg Virus. Byrd’s form of government is coming to an end. America is waking up to the global Elites and were rather angry at what they have been attempting to do.

      Things are about to Change & I thank GOD this movement has finally begun. America is saying NO to the NWO…!!!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Barb Wire,
      You have just shown your true colors when you praise such a racist as Byrd!!!! Do you also praise the KKK???

      • Bob Wire

        Byrd grew to be what he was, he started out like all of us do! stupid!

        I am willing to overlook transgression, especially if they occur early in ones life. Byrd made atonement and it’s between him and the All Mighty at this point. Isn’t that the way it suppose to work?

        Should we not Judge only in such a manner that we might wish to be judged?

        Is there any among his piers void of such transgression, private or public?

        Since Byrd is not here to defend himself, making him “easy picking” for Fox Noise as they accuse the old fox of being a very apt and able politician for his constituents of West Virginia. ~ He stands guilty as charged!

        Would we like him better and think more of him if he’d served his tenure in a less effective manner?

        The old man was a winner! lived a full life is the service of country while competing inside a system that he alone did not create.

        can’t you accept that? ~ That the system is failing us today ~ address the failures of the frigging “SYSTEM”! and quit trash mouthing a dead man.

        • sylvia

          I have been in West Virginia on several work-related times . Now haveing said that, all I saw was fine ROADS yes STRAIT UP AND STRAIT DOWN, ALL he towns were UN-INCORPERATED whatever that means. Signs that said NO WHERE WV, and all I could see was maybe a barn or some out building than a sign saying now leaving NO WHERE WV. So what did MR BYRDE spend all the BIG BUCKS on?????? And YOU support the KKK I supposed that you also support the NEW BLACK PANTHERS TOO.Hell VOTE them in to your senate, that would make MR.BYRDE real HAPPY.

          • kate8

            I think some of them already are in the Senate, and House, too.

        • Vicki

          Bob Wire writes:
          “Byrd grew to be what he was, he started out like all of us do! stupid! ”

          Speak for your self please. You certainly do not have enough to speak for us that way.

          As to Byrd and the system he did not create the reference standard is Ron Paul. There is a leader trying to show the way back to government within Constitutional limits. No whining about having to “buck” the system.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Barb Wire,
          when a man spends over half of his life PUBLICALLY doing wrong, then never says in public “I was wrong”, you bet your azz I don’t forget or forgive!

          • Claire

            JoeH–Forgive and forget are noble words. However, when the issue at hand goes on and on without regard to the consequences, then it becomes an issue that cannot be forgiven nor forgotten.

    • meteorlady

      I’m pretty dang sure that you are not a true born and raised Texan. Our state is doing pretty well considering we only get about 80% of our tax dollars back that we pay into the federal government. Also, If we needed people like Bryd I would be gone in a heart beat. Agree though Kay – she needs to retire and get out of the way for someone with more balls and ethics.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And of all these millions of pork money year after year that Robert Sheets Byrd steered West Virginia’s way, the state is still in dire straights. They have a high illiteracy rate, high unemployment, and far, far too many people dependant on the government handouts. Oh yeah, I guess that would explain how he kept getting re-elected, by keeping people down and in their place, and dependant on the government. It never helps the people get better, it just keeps them down and in their place, just like the democrats want them. Maybe someday folks will wake up, and quit thinking they are helping them, when in fact they are handcuffing them, and actually, holding them down and keeping themselves in power over them.

  • Bobk90

    The upcoming Election, as with all the others in the recent past, are nothing but a scam to keep Elitists power regardless of party!!! These PIGS, I mean these so-called Honorable Politicians, will never stop what is happening in our government!
    The only real change that will ever get us change is this: That we take up arms as the Constitution mandates us to do, when the government stops listening to the people!!
    A Clean sweep of ALL FEDERAL LAWS that are currently on the books and the supposed Representatives of People taken out of office! Start fresh with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, MANDATORY TERM LIMITS for ALL THREE(3)BRANCHES of Government. The Constitution does not say anywhere that Supreme Court Judges are be LifeTime appointments, the Constitution simply states that: …”The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour”… That statement in the Constitution does not,by any means, equal to Life Time appointments. It means that they can not hold the judgeship if they are criminals.

    • BrotherPatriot

      You speak alot of truth here…however, we are attempting to make the change in our system legally. We do NOT want them to enact martial law because once they do…our new Civil War will be on with a great loss of life and much horror…and most likely we would be joined by alot of our Military as there are many true patriots there…believe that or not. If it must come to the Ammo/Powder box…then Americans will stand up as one if needed…but we don’t want this to happen unless it’s our absolute last resort.

      Yes…Byrd was a criminal supported and stupporting other criminals. We definately need term limits…he’s a great source to argue for this.

      • eddie47d

        Every single state has Senators and Govenors who beg Washington for money and have since the beginning of our nation. I never liked Byrd that much but he only did what every state does. Some are just better at it.To get you all fired up ,which doesn’t take much,I’d like to bring up Sarah Palin. Alaska gets back $1.80 for every dollar they send in to Washington which are used on a variety of projects. Does that make Palin or ex-Senator Stevens criminals and in bed with other criminals. Were they just doing their job or ripping off other states as this site has accused Byrd of doing. Shelby of Alabama could also be brought up and used in future elections since the Republican side has their share of waste and “corruption”. You all act like Hyhenas circling those “evil” Democrates and slander everthing they propose. Do you really want a unified Country with all your derogatory remarks on everything? I think Not!

        • Ms. Jones

          Eddie, I have been saying all along that ALL incumbents need to be sent home and replaced by people who read and understand the Constitution; that is to say, the federal government is granted specific, enumerated powers, and the rest remain with the state and the people. Criticizing one Democrat does not make one a Republican supporter. Here is the solution I propose:

          Term limits: 12 years maximum for both houses. In other words, two Senate terms, six House terms, or a combination thereof.

          Equal protection: Any law enacted must apply to all citizens equally. In other words, no special handouts to minorities, or majorities for that matter. AND, any law Congress passes must apply to them and their families as well. Notice they exempted themselves from Obamacare, for example. This law would be retroactive, so that ALL government employees, would be thrown into the social security system. That should solve the problem of raiding the SS cookie jar to pay for government boondoggles.

          Retired congresspersons would be prohibited from lobbying Congress for a period of twelve years. By that time, all the “buddies” they served with would be retired. Ask yourselves, why would anyone spend millions of dollars to gain a job that pays less than $200K?

          Finally, any pay raise Congress votes in for themselves would not take effect until the following session. This would give outraged voters a chance to “retire” greedy congresspeople who overstep their bounds.

          • JeffH

            Thank you Ms. Jones, I’ve been thinking along the lines of a 12 year term limit also and could get behind your other suggestions as well.

        • American Citizen

          If the states didn’t have to send so much money to Washington to begin with, they wouldn’t have to beg, borrow or steal. The whole system needs to be revamped, whittled down, and only given what is absolutely for the security of this country. The jobs were never mean to be lifetime jobs and I think most of the time they spend up there is worthless. Look at the immigration and jobs problems, both of which this administration have shown to be clueless as to how to handle, as well as the oil spill in the Gulf. Most of our problems were created by the government in the first place.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            american Citizen,
            What ever happened to “expense accounts” being for actual business expenses? I’m real sure that Ms P-lousys booze bill for one flight of 20,000 dollars was a bonafied business expense. Or her yearly bill for her private 747 for trips back and forth to California at nearly 3/4 of a million dollars was neccessary expense. I say we give them a set amount and don’t go over it! The rest comes from their own pocket!

          • Claire

            JoeH–Politicians shouldn’t even have any business expenses. Let them ride the damn bus or train, or walk to work. Americans are paying for their black SUVs and limos. Another thing to mention, if a president flies to different states stumping for his cronies, he should fly on a regular plane at his own expense or the party’s expense, not ours. Talk about abusing privileges. Let them pay for their own hotel rooms, lunches, dinners, booze, and entertainment just like the rest of us do. Just think about the fabulous pension they receive, and the rest of the “perks” when they leave office. How many politicians have truly earned these perks? The way I look at it, a person gets paid for doing a good job, and if they don’t do a good job, then they receive less pay. Politicians should be no better than the average working person. Heck, I truthfully don’t think they work near as hard as we do. Look at all the time off, recesses, etc.
            Look at the Wall Street Execs, the Bank CEOs, the head honchos of insurancce companies. The money they make is clearly over the top. I started to say they weren’t/aren’t that good at their jobs, but I guess they are good—- at screwing the American public.

          • kate8

            Yeah, like Pelosi’s $100,000 plus per week to fly back and forth from SF to DC on her private, booze-stocked jet.

          • Claire

            kate8–Yes, and like Obama using Air Force One to stump for his buddies. I don’t care who is POTUS, this is not ethical. They all have done it. It just seems like Obama has done a bit more of it.

          • kate8

            This is the most blatantly corrupt and arrogant administration I’ve observed in my lifetime. They don’t even try to hide it.

          • Claire

            kate8–No, they don’t try to hide it!! Unbelievable. They are doing what they damn well please. Almost like rubbing our faces in it!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Claire,
            I agree 100% but even giving them a set amount would save a hell of a lot of money. This thing of unlimited amounts is rediculous!

  • OtherTim

    I never voted for Byrd, feeling the same way as many others in the country about his spending. WV does finally have some decent roads and other facilities, but still ranks at or near the bottom for health, education, jobs, declining population, income, etc. The young people leave the state after finishing school, bc jobs are not here. That is partially due to state tax structure against small business, they can’t seem to figure that out. Sad part is, that Byrd will still get a LOT of votes come next election. If it were held today, he would probably win. As a transplant, I guess I never saw the attraction. I really lost repect for him when at the last minute he withheld a speach asking for Clinton to step down after his impeachment.

  • J J Jacobs

    Thank you for a good article revealing the truth, it should be told.

  • BrotherPatriot

    Yes, once again…Thank you Mr. Chip Wood for writing what needs to be said.

    I was angry when I learned that Obummer asked for the Flag to be at half mast for Byrd. He doesnt’ earn our respect…just our revulsion and discust due to his methods, attitude and policy. (Oh…I guess we can lump Barry Soetoro, his administration and everyone else who is on it as well…into that category…go figure. Birds of a feather…)

    • eddie47d

      George Bush did many disgusting things in his political career and so did Bill Clinton but they both deserve a decent burial and our flag at half staff. Even Nixon deserved that.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Please elaborate about Bush. You have the right to not like him, or to not like his politics, but please elaborate, as to what “disgusting” things he did. Now Clinton, yes, the man was a sexual pervert. But I cant find anything Bush did that was disgusting. You may not like war, but its not disgusting. It needed done. So what was it?

        • Smilee

          The Iraq war, he invaded a country that was of no danger to us the first and only time we have done that!! Many of our finest died for this blunder to say nothing about the thousands that will have to live out their life disabled. That perversion tops Clinton’s by far. Oh and don’t tell me he did not know that, He did and he lied about it. When Clinton lied nobody died, now did they!!

  • Ron…

    Perhaps more of the people who praise men like Byrd, should more closely examine his life history. Was he not a Grand Cyclops in the KKK? He was very proud of his standing with them, and if he really did drop his membership, that was as transparent as our current president, dropping his membership and association with Pastor Wright and Mr. Farakhan. People apparently love to be associated with criminals and con men, but how can they want their decisions to be perpetually laughed at or made to seem steeped in ignorance? Mr. Byrd lived a long life, and I am not sure what the rest of you will do, but I am going to leave the judgment to the God which has for so long, supported our nation. Byrd, Clinton (either one) and a lot of other current Congress folks, are not someone from whom I would prefer not to buy a used or new car.

  • Ron…

    Perhaps the people who praise men like Byrd, should more closely examine his life history. Was he not a Grand Cyclops in the KKK? He was very proud of his standing with them, and if he really did drop his membership, that was as transparent as our current president, dropping his membership and association with Pastor Wright and Mr. Farakhan. People apparently love to be associated with criminals and con men, but how can they want their decisions to be perpetually laughed at, or made to seem steeped in ignorance? Mr. Byrd lived a long life, and I am not sure what the rest of you will do, but I am going to leave the judgment to the God which has for so long, blessed and supported our nation. Byrd, Clinton (either one) and a lot of other current Congress folks, are not someone, from whom I would prefer to buy a used car.

    • eddie47d

      I’m not a Byrd fan and find the kkk disgusting but that was in his youthful years.He denounced his association decades ago and changed. He should be forgiven for his past transgressions if he was sincere. There is a Congressman in California named Jim Gilcrest who founded the Minutemen MCDC and is affiliated with the American neo-Nazi Party. I bet you agree with some of his political views on immigration but would you condemn him as you do Byrd? Jim has not denounced his affiliation with the NNP. So who should we forgive and move on?

      • Smilee

        Forgiveness, is one of the central themes of real Christianity but you can’t find a lot of that on here despite all the “For God and Country” and the like statements from them, I think Hippocrates is the correct term for them!

        • Ms. Jones

          ROTFL . . . Smilee, I think you mean “hypocrites”, not “Hippocrates”, who is known as “The Father of Medicine”!

          • Smilee

            YOUR RIGHT!! SORRY ABOUT THAT!

          • Bob Wire

            I’ve got it wrong myself smilee, once or twice.

            we all work to improve ~ the job unending! ~ and it’s nice to receive occasional help.

        • rwnut

          We can’t forgive a mistake like that,so don’t even ask.

          • Smilee

            Another person on here totally lacking any character!!!!!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Forgiveness means, forgive them and let God deal with it. Dont take revenge ourselves, let God do it. But it doesnt mean to turn the other way and let him keep on doing wrong things over and over. In Christiandom, when you see a brother doing wrong, you are to hold him/her accountable for their actions. That is called love. Ive seen the guy talk and listened to the attack and tone’s in his voice, and I may be wrong, but I dont believed he changed a bit. And he did continue to steal right up to the end. That isnt judging, thats a fact.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And he did use his position to glorify and honor himself, building all these buildings and road and naming them after himself. Sounds kind of satanic to me. Self glorification, taking money from others to glorify yourself. Those are not things of God. Those are things of man. My dad always brought me up, teaching me to “never toot my own horn”. He told me if he ever caught me bragging about myself, I would be on the bench. He taught me that if your really that good, others will sing praise for you. Well, Ive seen Byrd sing his own praises all over the state of West Virginia, but Im not hearing any people brag him up, and I dont see any good results in the standing of the people of his state for all the years he ran it. No, they are worse off than they were when he arrived, and that is a huge testament to his being.

  • USCreek

    We couldn’t stop Byrd, Kennedy, Murtha; but God did. I hope they are paid 10 cents an hour to toil in hell until we are repaid.

    • Smilee

      Oh silly one, one day God will stop you too.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Everyone one of us will give an account of ourselves before the throne of Jesus Christ. And all of us have done our share of dumb stupid things, as I know I surely have also. You are right on this one.

  • Mike12

    Thank god he’s gone.

    • Norm

      Mike12
      Tha’s very cold!

    • STEVEN

      WILL WE THANK GOD WHEN YOU ARE GONE? YOU ARE SICK, WITH NO CONCEPT OF GOD

      • kate8

        STEVEN, Norm, people who do good in life, stand up for what is right, generate good-will and strive for excellence in character are then well thought of and are sorely missed.

        Those who are pigs, crooks and self-serving don’t. Nor do they deserve it just because their miserable life comes to an end.

        Do we miss a thorn under our skin when it finally comes out?

        Simple as that.

        • Claire

          kate8–Common sense post.

        • rwnut

          Steve…”Woe unto him that calls good evil,and evil good.”

        • http://?? Joe H.

          kate8,
          Very well said.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Your right. We reap what we sow. If weve done good, people will trumpet our praises. If we have been a rotten crook and a dispicable person, people will trumpet that. Ive been hearing a lot of the latter with this guy.

  • bob pa

    I did not live in west virgina, but I lived in pittsburgh and know of how bad byrd was. we in pittsburgh had a mayor who was like byrd and he should not have stay as long as he did. he owned allegheny asphalt and on paper every street in pittsburgh was paved by allegheny asphalt. but pittsburgh has a lot of cobblestone streets still. he has a lot of monuments in pittsburgh. but i am against term limits. but we can add an admendmeent that says after 2 terms an incumbent needs 75% vote to retain his office. not perfect but it allows him to try but gives him a tall hill to climb.

    • Bob Wire

      worthy consideration bob pa! good one. I like it when issues are address in such fashion. keep them coming!

  • Bruce

    Chip, thanks for having the guts to tell the truth about this porky pig.
    The time for honoring yourself is over!! take this piece of craps gold watch, throw it in his coffin with him and cover them both with 6 feet of dirt. Good bye and good riddance.

    • eddie47d

      With so much enthusiasm towards Byrd I can’t wait until Dick Cheney pops off. There will be dancing on his coffin! Just kidding but that is just how you sound.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I dont think so. Dick Cheney didnt run a state year after year after year, abscond will millions of dollars, and leave his population illiterate and out of work, and in worse shape after he left a half century later. Byrd was a dismal failure, who kept people down and in their place by offering little government handouts to them. He broke their pride, and kept them dependant on him and the government. Shame on him for that.

    • Norm

      Bruce

      At #9 Mitch McConnell(R-Ky.): $51,186,000. Will you pray for him to die as well?

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I didnt see where he prayed for Byrd to die. Seems he had allready passed.

  • Rick

    Bill Clinton, in his eulogy said that Byrd spent a “fleeting moment”
    in his racist, KKK ideologies. With his vote against the Civil Rights
    bill at the age of 47, I guess the brilliant Clinton considers over
    half of your life “A FLEETING MOMENT”. His eulogy was honest in one
    way, when he basically said that Democrats will say whatever is necessary to get elected. The racist, divisive Obama showed what a
    fraud he is with his pretty words for Byrd.

    • eddie47d

      There are a few who voted against the Civil Rights Act and we could list them all and embarrass a few. Byrd took the wrong side on that one.

    • Norm

      Rick
      What you think of Jeff Sessions? Now there is a unrepentant racist.

      • kate8

        Norm, please explain why you say Jeff Sessions is racist.

        Somehow, I never picked up on that.

        • Smilee

          As Ususal, Its to deep for you!!

    • Bob Wire

      Rick, does the practice of the Christian faith in real time and not the abstract confuse you or question it’s intent and purpose?

      Just one more piece of evidence that supports Obama is a man attempting to apply Christian principals as people accuse him of being something else.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Obama is not trying to apply Christian faith to anything. He has openly told other nations that we are not a Christian nation. He has made the statement that things were against his Muslim faith, and tried to correct to to Christian faith, but sorry, being a Christian, I could not have those words “my muslim faith” slip out of my mouth, because they are no where in me, no where at all. For him to have so called “slipped” that out, it had to be in him. Thats all there is to it. Why would he instruct the head of NASA to approach and improve muslim relations? Has nothing to do with NASA. He is muslim, no ifs and or butts about it. He is not a Christian. Another proof of that, is if he was, he wouldnt have needed the negative press coverage of Rev.Wright make him flee and distance himself from the racist reverend. No, if he was a Christian, he would have fled from that guy as soon as he heard those vile and vitrious statements fly out of his mouth. And like it or not, thats the facts.

        • Smilee

          We know you hate Obama and thus understand why you spread these lies about him, You know Billy Graham said we are not a Christian Nation too (in an interview a few years back with David Frost, an hr. interview) Billy said we were not founded on Christianity and have never been a Christian nation. Billy is right and so is Obama on this and a correct reading of history bears that out but today the far right wing radicaal propaganda mill has rewritten our history on this and most conservates buy in to this falsehood. Obama was raised Christian and says he is a Christian and you sir or anyone else is competentant to read his mind or heart and we as Christians must not judge him or anyone else. Your lying about so much of this is inappropiate.

  • Jim

    Its nice to read comments like scumbag, porky pig, Goodbye and good riddance. Such moral upright comments about a mans life. He made mistakes, as we all do. He asked forgiveness which some do. But there are many who are “holier than thou” and cannot forgive and let the dead rest in peace. That is why this country is falling apart. Not because of those who have sinned but, because of those who cannot forgive.

    • Ms. Jones

      Jim, I absolutely agree with you that those who truly repent (which includes a “turning away from”) should be forgiven. However, should the past be forgotten? Eulogists for Byrd are whitewashing his history. That being said, his actions that draw my condemnation (and, no, I don’t mean as in sending him to hell–he did or didn’t do that all on his own) are his pork-barrel politics that picked my pocket! How’s that for alliteration, lol? And he’s not alone. ALL politicians–Republicans and Democrats alike–who are spending us into oblivion, torpedoing our economy with massive debt, micromanaging our lives through excessive regulation, and greatly overstepping their constitutional bounds–need to be sent home, no matter how sorry they are for past sins.

      • Smilee

        Ms Jones

        You say you agree with him and then turn around and dispute what you agree with him on, WHAT??????? He is right you are wrong!!!!!!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      And by the same means, we cannot possible take someone who was an obvious crook, who condemned his whole state to poverty and being dependant on government handouts, then when they die, elevate them to saint status as some seem to want to do. Ted Kennedy was the same way. The guy lived a life of greed, splendor, alcohol and sex, and then when he died they want to make him out like he was mother Theresa. You reap what you sow. You, me, Ted, Robert Byrd, all of us. And God is the ultimate judge, not us. Yet we are all, still entitled to our opinions of people, as our opinion has nothing to do with what he may or may not being going through now. I can only base my opinion on him by what I have seen of him, heard from him, and read about him. And I am not exactly excited by the state he made his state live in. They are worse off than before he arrived, and that says a lot about the man. However, he has self glorified himself all over that state. And that again, says a lot about the man.

  • don

    Someone whose been a rogue all his life dosen’t become a nice guy just because he died

    • Smilee

      He actually did that before he died, too bad you were not paying attention then!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And your proof of that is what? I see a state in total devastation due to his continuance on making them dependant on government handouts. I see a state with a huge illiteracy rate. I see a state that is in worse shape now, after what, 40 to 50 years of him, than it was before he arrived. And I see monument after monument, with all kinds of building, roads and bridges that he self glorified himself with all over the state. Isnt that nice.

        • Smilee

          You just simply hate him don’t you, I based it on his confession and apology, but I guess you were not listening to him were you!

  • Jim

    The Lexington, Kentucky Police Department, just up the road from Byrd’s state. reports finding a man’s body in the Kentucky River just west of the Clays Ferry Bridge.
    The dead man’s name will not be released until his family has been
    notified. It could be that of a W. Va. porker.

    The victim apparently drowned due to excessive beer consumption.
    He was wearing black fishnet stockings, a red garter belt, a pink
    g-string, a strap-on dildo, purple lipstick, and an Obama t-shirt. He
    also had a cucumber in his rectum.

    The police removed the Obama t-shirt to spare his family any
    unnecessary embarrassment.

    There now, something to argue about, ie; was it a green cucumber or a yellow one, perhaps a zuchinni???? Who knows, all the DNA is the same there!

    • Claire

      Good grief.

    • Smilee

      SICKO!!!

    • Bob Wire

      Hmm?, that’s a lot more to that story somewhere.

      where does the “porker” come from? You or your source?

      That part eludes me? and offers uncertainty on top of uncertainty.

      • rwnut

        Connect the dots Bob, sometimes you just have to think and conclude for yourself.

        • Smilee

          A skill you certainly have none of!!!!!!!!!!!

    • STEVEN

      HEY JIM I PROUDLY WEAR MY OBAMA SHIRT WHILE CUTTING THE GRASS. SOMEDAYS I WEAR MY KERRY SHIRT, OTHER DAYS MY HOWARD DEAN SHIRT. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM MAN? YOU FORGET WE HAVE A DEMOCRACY AND THE MAJORITY RULES. NOW WE ARE IN THE MAJORITY.

      • kate8

        Uh, actually you aren’t, STEVEN.

        Aside from the fact that your “majority” consists of the dead, fantasy, illegal and deluded, many of those who are legitimate voters are experiencing voter’s remorse.

        Obama is not even a good liar. And you can count on knowing that if his lips are moving, he’s lying. More and more people are waking up to that.

      • Claire

        Steven– That’s just it–you are proudly wearing your shirts while “mowing” the grass. Don’t you wear them out in public or just at home?

      • JeffH

        Keep that mindset STEVEN…

      • rwnut

        Steven…Enjoy the moment,because you won’t have it long!

        • Smilee

          Your a Dreamer!!!!!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yes you are, in government posts, but not in population. Even your own kind in high places are sick of it. Enjoy these last 2 years, because 2012 there is sweeping changes coming, and let me add, that I do not think the democrats will even let Obama run for re-election. I think he will be thrown under the bus by then, as they already know he is un-electable in 2012, so they are going to try Hillery. And this just may finally be the move they make, where black American’s will finally take off their blinders and see how these guys really are, and stop believing all the hot air theyve been blowing up their behinds for the last 60 years.

        • Smilee

          BEBERONI

          OBAMA WILL BE THE DEMOCRAT CANDIDATE IN 2012 AND GUESS WHAT HE WILL WIN. YOU HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING ATTENTION HE HAS DONE MANY THINGS THE REPUBLICANS SAID HE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO, BUT HE HAS AND HE DID, NOT SINCE FDR HAS A PRESIDENT SIGNED SO MANY SWEEPING BILLS INTO LAW THAN FDR AND BELIEVE ME THE REPUBLICANS WORKED THEIR TUSHES OFF TO BLOCK HIM BUT THEY HAVE BEEN FAILURES TIME AND TIME AGAIN. REMEMBER WHEN SEN BROWN WAS ELECTED HOW THE REPUBLICANS DECLARED HEALTH CARE REFORM DEAD AND MOST BELIEVED THEM EVEN MANY DEMOCRATS BUT HE FOOLED THEM ALL AND FOUND A WAY. YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH WHAT HE HAS DONE BUT THE FACTS THAT HE DID IT CANNOT BE DISPUTED AS THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. SO DREAM ON SUCKER!!

  • Don

    When a person has been a rogue all his life he dosen’t become a nice guy just because he died

  • Jo

    What ever the man did, God knows. If he thought more of himself than others, God knows. Right now, he’s asleep waiting for the resurection and one day will be judged. The many to feel sorry for are those don’t believe there is a God and no judgement, Why? Because they ask the same old question…if there were a God, why doesn’t he stop this or that or why did he let so and so die that way, etc. God has a reason for everything and everything for a reason. We may not learn why about everything right now, but will later. God doesn’t bring about murder, liers, cheats, hate, selfisness, greed, etc…we do. And because we do, we are going to be judged for those and other things. Do you really feel we’re going to get away with anything?

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Amen. You are correct as can be. We can lie to men, and say one thing and mean another, and we can have the media do our dirty work and tell little lies to make people see in the light we wish them to see us in, but God see’s it all. Like He says, it doesnt matter what we do out in public for all to see, its in those dark moments when were alone and dont think anyone is looking that matters a whole lot, because thats who we really are. Anyone can tell the public a few words that some speechwriter wrote down, but what lies in our hearts is what truly spells us. And only God knows what that is.

  • A little Byrd

    Yo Jim,
    Thank God someone had the decency to take the BO T-shirt off the victum.. Shows that there are still some chivalry out there. I vote for the summer squash. Just a guess though. I’ve never been to that part of K-Y. Have been to Charleston and found it quaint and New Englandy. Byrd was always a pig and like Kennedy I could never fathom why the good people of Mass and WV didn’t just stay to home if they couldn’t send anything better than them two to Washington. I guess once you get in the habit of having handouts given to you it’s addictive. A little Byrd told me that.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      That is the exact plan of the Democrat’s playbook, and why people dont see it I dont know. They want to create so many social agencies, and get all the people dependant upon them, then they have them where they want them, DEPENDANT. Robert Byrd did this masterfully, as he had the state of West Virginia so dependant on these handouts. Illiteracy is a huge problem there, as in unemployment, as it government handouts. And this state, after all his years, after all these millions of dollars of pork, after all these things he had erected and named after himself, to honor his own bad self, this state is truly in worse shape after he left, than it was when he arrived. Now that is indeed a sad commentary on his years in public office, yet it is a very true statement. And shame on each and everyone of you that allowed him and his ilk to buy you with government handouts, and keep you down in your place, where they wanted you. You share guilt in this also.

  • Jim K.

    Sentor R. Byrd is the best example of wants wrong with Washington Federal Government. Power grab, personal greed, corrupt ways of doing things for themselves have taken over instead of respresenting key issues and values of the American people. It seemed easy for Washinton politicians to honor such a person as so many currently in Washington are of the same character of personal greed willing to accept bribes working in corrupt ways. The America people must come to the front voting representatives who have basic core values of honesty and integrity to send to Washington working for the good of the American people and our country.

    • Bob Wire

      >>”Jim K. says:
      July 9, 2010 at 10:45 am

      Sentor R. Byrd is the best example of wants wrong with Washington Federal Government. Power grab, personal greed, corrupt ways of doing things for themselves have taken over instead of representing key issues and values of the American people.”<<

      Well stated Jim, ~ While i don't think we'll ever get away from a conflict of interest between state. Issues needs to be address inside a framework that's equitable and on a level playing field that does address all American's interests and values.

      How can this be done other then the way it's presently being played out everyday of Capitol Hill? ~ That's the question before us.

      • Vicki

        Bob W and others.
        Go to downsizeDC.org and go thru the campaigns. send an email every day on at least one of them. I tend toward the read the bills, One subject at a time, write the laws, and Ron Paul’s honest money. If all of us went there and voiced our opinion to our representitives as well as having our discussions here we CAN and will impact how things are done in DC.

  • anthony

    he was also a child molester and sex offender; search former CIA officer Mark Phillips and read what he had to say about the senator.

    • Bob Wire

      Well he is not here to defend himself is he? So I guess people are safe to accuse him of anything~! ~ Enjoy yourselves, he’s helpless in this world. Feel free to kick a dead man, ~

      Now what makes anyone think such a persons loyalty or friendship worthy of investing in?

  • http://n/a david

    he was against our current dumb war. enough said.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Yeah, and a lot of people didnt want to stop Hitler either until it was almost too late and Europe lie in ruins. Only through force do we have peace pal, so remember that. Be a pacifist and lie down, and soon you will be speaking Aramaic.

  • Gwen

    Good comments all, BUT you have neglected to reach the obvious solution to the main problem. In addition to term limits, the end to the golden retirement package needs to be enacted. With each new Congressman elected, then retired, another lifetime retirement package is extracted from the public. Am I the only one here to see this? The whole thing needs to be overhauled!

    • Bob Wire

      A penalty for failure or default?

  • Gwen

    And, by the way, WHO thought up the idea that Congress should vote for their own pay raises? PALEEZE!! And, they are now using the raises that should go to Social Security recipients to upgrade their computer files! Give me a break! These crooks are stealing us all blind….LEGALLY! When are we going to say “enough is enough”, and start repealing some of this hogwash? Byrd was only taking advantage of what we, the Citizens have allowed for far too long.

    • Smilee

      Gwen

      The founding fathers put it in the original constitution!!!!!!

  • ONTIME

    You mean to tell me that so many of you are not going to miss the likes of “Sheets” Byrd and his glib hypocritical tongue, the man who single handedly saved the south and raped the rest of the nation to pork his way into the hearts of all southerners…..according to lib speak.

    I have to think that he will become the spokesman for lucifer and a just reward will await him in the pits of hell.

  • A Patriot till death

    Rules of November Republican/Independent Platform:

    1. George Sorius will be declared an enemy of the nation. (All his ill gotten gains that we can get our hands on should be confiscated and turned over to China to pay down the national debt.)

    2. Impeach BO. And all his thugs will be sent back to Chicago where the people of Chicago and the state of Illinois will charge them with the crimes of breathing.

    3. In the precedings against BO it will be declared that all laws that he signed into being while in office will be repealed and declared void do to his ineligability to serve because he is not a citizen of the U.S. Especially, the Health Care fiasco.

    4. All federal offices will have term limits, including the Supreme Court.

    5. The southern border of U.S. will have a fence completed from Sea to shimnmering Gulf.

    6. ACORN members will be locked up for no less than 5 years for defrauding the American elections of these bums that are in office.

    7. The General Motors and Chrysler will be returned back to the shareholders of record prior to BO’s illegal takeover. No Union official shall hold any stock in same. (because that is a conflict of interest)

    8. All States shall pass a law that anyone running for federal office must prove via a legal birth certificate their elibability of being a citizen.

    9. All Americans must be armed and trained in the use of firearms and the government must provide each household with weapons that meet military standards. (Any enemy within or outside our borders will think twice when they consider attacking us.)

    10. All citizens must, like the military, sign a pledge to uphold and protect the Constitution of the U.S.

    • STEVEN

      AND NO ONE IN THE SENATE KNEW THE CONSTITUTION BETTER THAN SENATOR ROBERT BYRD. IF YOU KNEW THE CONSTITUTION YOU WOULD KNOW THERE IS NO BASIS FOR IMPEACHING OUR PRESIDENT.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Maybe not, but boy would it ever be a wonderful thing for this country I love, to rid this country of this do nothing community organizer.

    • Christin

      Patriot, you have a great list and I agree as an American citizen to all of it.

      A natural born citizen of the United States of America would have his or her allegience solely for this country and not torn or biased by a birth elsewhere.

      Jeff, While I feel for Hector we MUST have the rule of law and protect the sovereignty of our nation by asuuring that leaders hold their allegience to the AMERICAN CONSTITUTION and this country only.

      • JeffH

        Claire, I hope someday we can get most of that back into government.

        • kate8

          JeffH – have you somehow jumped a day ahead of us?

          • kate8

            Weird! I have too! LOL.

        • Claire

          JeffH–What post of mine are you answering?

          • Claire

            Geez–I know time flies but this is funny.

          • JeffH

            Good question Claire, I’ll have to search up above…right now it is 11:27 PST for whatever that is worth…

          • libertytrain

            Claire – I think there’s some work that’s been going on, on this site, to make it withstand all the additional volume of interest from all of us a little better and with upgrades come some weird stuff as little things are worked out – the time is probably something to do with it.

          • Claire

            libertytrain–You are probably right. Hope all is well with you and your Dad.

          • libertytrain

            Claire – am home again for a while – he’s recovering some. Thanks for remembering.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Libertytrain,
            I didn’t see anything about your dad, sorry! I will add him to my prayers tonight. BTW it is 10:03 EST here.

  • JeffH

    A Mexican-born candidate for U.S. Senate said he is considering a lawsuit against the Missouri secretary of state for discrimination because her office forced him to produce a birth certificate but “didn’t make Obama show proof of citizenship” to appear on the ballot.

    Hector Maldonado, 38, a self-described “Lincolnian Republican conservative,” is seeking the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate in Missouri. He was born one of 10 children in Durango, Mexico. His father is a migrant field worker who owns a small hog ranch in Perris, Calif.
    http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/videosenate-candidate-considering-obama-birth-certificate-lawsuit/?utm_source=Floyd+Reports&utm_campaign=0f24c67e26-Floyd_Reports_7_9_107_9_2010&utm_medium=email

    • kate8

      JeffH, Don’t you love this story? Won’t hear about it in the MSM, either.

      I admire anyone who has the courage to bring this issue to the forefront.

      If all three branches of government were anything but utterly corrupt, we’d have resolution on this issue. There has been enough evidence, PROVEN evidence, that would convict Obama and most of Congress, as well as many judges and justices. There is enough to nail them all to the wall.

      • JeffH

        kate8, a lack of a backbone and they want to protect themselves, most are guilty.

      • Claire

        kate8–this was in the Springfield paper. It will be interesting to see what happens.

  • Norm

    If we would have taken Byrd’s advice on the Iraqi war, the US would be about a trillion dollars richer (or less poor). That’s a bit more than his pork barrel take. For a racist old codger, he had plenty of common sense.

    • Smilee

      VERY, VERY, GOOD POINT!!!

      • Claire

        Norm–I will have to agree with you.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Abnorm,
      It still doesn’t outweigh his KKK afiliation!! He’s still a racist scum! I wonder if any of the more than 145 people he recruited ever commited murder against a Black man!!

      • Bob Wire

        What do you really know about the KKK? ~

        It’s true they stand guilt of some evil acts and very bad things.

        They are not without fault or sin it’s true. ~ That these acts were conducted by a few of the most stupid among them, fuels this disgust.

        But what do you really know about the history of the south?

        I’m not defending the KKK, while I know that’s what your mind is thinking as I question you. ~ You don’t like to be questioned!

        I’m questioning your knowledge and what fuels your spirited commentary that comes over as very intense, hateful sediment offering no quarter.

        You simple association of Byrd and KKK ~ evil, Bad! end of story! leaves “thinking people” saying ~~ Okay? whatever?

        The Tea party ~ has the same problem, ~ the stupid ones! that places everyone associated in a bad light.

        If you are to apply it to one, we must apply it to the other.

        “Guilt by association”

        • kate8

          The KKK was made up solely of democrats so, of course, many of them belonged back then.

          The fact that Clinton said he was in it to get votes (LOL) tells it all. The only ones voting for him would be—-DEMOCRATS.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Barb Wire,
          My father had 16 brothers and sisters, all from Georgia. I grew up around them and others from that state. I have felt the hate from treating a Black as an equal many times. Those that supported the actions of the KKK were just as guilty. My family have always treated people as people and nothing less and there are some in southern states as well as northern that can’t stand that. To them I say kiss my back side! If you are one then I also say it to you!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Not really. They would have blown it somewhere else. Heck, maybe Byrd could have even had enough dirt trucked into West Virginia and built a mountain and called it Mount Byrd, you know, in his honor, like all the buildings, roads and bridges and such he chose to use our tax payer money to honor his own bad self with. And just how many times were you willing to let these muslim terrorists punch us in the nose before you fought back Norm? How many times do you let them hit us and do nothing? If your Bill Clinton, you let them punch you like a punching bag, and think your weak, and then they keep punching. Thank God George Bush thought enough of this country to make them stop. I myself would have went at them much, much harder, and I guarantee you, now that we have freed Iraq and peace and democracy is spreading like wild fire there, I would spank Iran’s ass next, and straighten them out one by one. North Korea would be on my radar, and Id let them know about it. Then maybe their own people would rise up and kick these evil leeches out. Or, we can be pacifist appeasers, sit back and do nothing, and just count all our money, as they slowly but surely take us over, then take all that money we were wasting time counting, instead of fighting to keep it. If you are willing to stand up and fight for what is right Norm, you need to move out of this country. I myself, and millions like me, couldnt stand the fact that these terrorist attacked, attacked, and attacked us, and our pacifist democrat Clinton government stood there like a pigeon toed little girl, and did nothing but tremble, well that, and grab another cigar to play with. I myself dont want to pollycoddle up with terrorists, and just stand by watching them slap this country around, and shame on you and all who think that this behavior is ok. Its not, and Im not afraid to tell you as an American, that you are WRONG to think that way. Pacifism has lost every stinking time is has been practiced Norm, everytime. Only by force has Peace ever been attained. EVER. Get it?

  • Gary T

    Well, after reading all the comments regarding our representatives, seems to me that we would all be better off if we put Congress on a temporary moratorium, as an experiment to see if we are better off without their wisdom and all their wonderful, but expensive, ideas.

    • Christin

      I second that Motion!
      A Moratorium on Congress it is…
      heck let’s put a moratorium on the White House as well
      and let “We The People” lead and restore our great nation.
      One Nation under God

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Im all in.

  • Dale Severs

    Byrd was a criminally insane thief, just like the Chicago thugs who are fleecing the American citizens, in this outrageous abomination, the Liberally demented congress,Supreme Court,and Obama Administration call a government.They will all be swimming side by side in the “LAKE OF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE” When our Creator sends Jesus our Savior back to this planet, to take up his rightful throne from Satan!! Their Folly is only temporary, but their eternal death is for ever!!The Christians and meek of this world, shall have the last laugh!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Thank you Dale, as you speak the truth. The liberals on this site label me a hater and a judger when I speak the truth, but I fully believe that when I tell the truth, I have nothing to fear. God made us to tell the truth, and I have no qualms about it. Do I think Byrd was a rotten son of a gun that is burning in hell? Yes I do. Do I make that call? No I dont. Am I allowed my opinion? Yes I am. Does it mean Im right? No it doesnt. But to those on the left you see, were not allowed to have our thoughts and opinions, or we are haters and judges and are wrong. We are supposed to think like they do, and do as they say. And they think with this mentality they can sway the thoughts of the arab terrorists who seek to kill us. They want to sit down and have cookies and milk with them, and play all warm and fuzzy, and think their pacifist ways can sway the thoughts, of an enemy who HAS SWORN TO KILL US, or die trying to kill us. They have made no if’s, and’s , or butt’s about it. They said they will kill us or die trying to kill us. That is their lifes mission. And these idiots on the left really truly think that they have such mind power I guess, that they can change these guy’s minds by playing nice with them. Problem is, these guys are fire, and when you play with fire, you get burnt. Shame on the left for want to be pacifists to them, and to let them walk on us and attack this country, free of charge. Shame on them, and I am repulsed by their behavior. You better fight back, fight back now, and do it hard, or soon we will have nothing left here. But for somereason, they cannot see it. That part, I dont understand at all. I just dont understand how they think that way.

      • Smilee

        TROUBLE IS THAT YOU OFTEN DO NOT SPEAK THE TRUTH!!!

  • Raggs

    Well BOB…. goodbye to the “PIG”?

    Not hardly… Just because this thug has met the devil doesn’t mean that’s the end…. This administration will surely backdoor a radical progressive that has a complex hatered for this country.

  • Raggs

    Opps…. Sorry I meant Chip….

    Well anyway… When there is greed in the white house there will always be a pig to suck the country dry… Just look at
    Rome and how they failed.

    • JeffH

      Raggs, so true…the liberals like to blame the capialist corporations for the economic downfall but any level headed human realizes that without the politicos extending their hands for the graft there wouldn’t be any favors…every bit of it points back at the hands that take.

  • Raggs

    Here piggy piggy piggy has a new definition?

    No not at all… once a blood sucker always a blood sucker!
    The government has some grand sceem that they think they can steal from me to pay you. Well the pay you’s are vastly out numbering the steal’s from me.

    So it’s time to cut the piggy’s throat.

  • Stephen Russell

    I blame the West VA Unions, state govt for so little Federal money going to the citizens of West VA alone.
    Thats ALL.
    & Plus hes a D**** Klan racist to Boot.
    & we wonder why West VA didnt GO anyplace with his aid.
    Narrow minds.
    (maybe Im wrong).
    Is MS the first improvished state in the US & West VA 2nd
    (thank those Dems again)

  • tessie

    Byrd couldn’t even string a whole sentence together, but pulled his arse in to vote for Obummercare. Term Limits!! Get a petetion together in your state (not sure how many signatures are needed) and get it put on the ballot for the voters in your state to decide.

    • Bob Wire

      I’ve thought about “term limits” and it seem like a good idea in many ways.

      But, how can this affect the power of “special interest” that corrupts the present system? ~ I don’t see that it does, in fact, I could easily see how this would work to special interest advantage. Making politician just cheaper to buy ~ unless something else is changed or offered in such a reform package. ~ I see there’s much more to address then just term limits, maybe term limit might only be a part.

      also, there is a downside to term limits, ~ much like monitory retirement. Why be demanded to quit, cease and desist when the quality and volume of work may well be at it’s best ~ having paid the dues and earned your strips for the job at hand through years of learning? Why retire a winning race horse, just because he’s been in your stables for X years?

      • Claire

        Bob Wire –I think you are comparing apples to oranges. “Why retire a winning race horse just because he has been in the stable for X years?” I’ll tell you why-it is because a lot of the people that have been in the Senate for 10 years or more have been “losing” for many years. We need winners in Congress, not losers. America deserves better than this.

        • Vicki

          We deserve whom we vote for. The only sensible way to enact term limits is by vote at the ballot box. As in we vote them out.

  • http://gmail i41

    In WV there are so many roads named after the Turd Byrd, there is one that still isn’t finished, and several years ago was costing taxpayers, 3 times more than any oter section of highway. Byrd was such a overpaid dork since he had the most seririty, so in union fashion he was allowed the most pork. The long serving asses in Congress aren’t the smartest, usually they cann’t survive in the real world at a honest job. So they quik attach to other morons in the beltway. Ever see them leave as a private citizen? Only Harry Truman , and George W. Bush, left after leaving their office. Most have stayed on as lobbyists and transfered to wasteful commisions. I would guess the dead guy probably worked in the gerken pickle packing union!

    • Bob Wire

      Well? it long been known, Special Interest don’t like unions. ~ In fact, they prefer everyone but them to be disorganized.

      Is that a fair statement?

      • Claire

        Bob Wire—Years ago when unions first came into being, I think they were helpful to workers. And it was a good thing. For the past 20 years or so they became too big for their britches and too powerful. So powerful that they became a contributing factor towards this economic disaster we are in. They demanded more and more, to the point that their greed overcame reality. I think they did cause businesses to fail, no business could shell out that kind of money on a continual basis. That is why some businesses went overseas too. Some unions are like Wall Street, the banks, etc. Their CEOs make a fortune, and the workers suffer and eventually become jobless when the business fails or leaves the country. The CEOs don’t care, the union bosses don’t care, they have made enough money to live high on the hog for the rest of their lives.

        • Bob Wire

          Claire, I think you will find the power of unions have been in great decline since Reagan broke their back in 1981 ~ ( I’ll look it up for you) and the middle class has been in decline ever since. That was 30 years ago. ~ But I agree, with much to what you say ~ The unions were needed badly back in the beginning of the 1900 and by 1967 were indeed getting too big for their britches ~ but I think it’s time,they are needed again today, maybe not as urgently as then however.

          Today is not the America of 1967, there is not respect for labor anymore “by many”. Many People attempt to earn their livelihood working their money, trading, short term investing, scamming, and scheming. ~ ANYTHING but WORK! Labor Work is not considered “cool” anymore.

          Try as one may, they can’t trace “today’s current economic failures” to “unions” but they can be traces to union busting, deregulation and the notion of supply side economics being desirable. Reagan tenure affected all Americans differently, If you were engage in some facet of the military complex and the associated buildup, you were happy and buying things, while wondering why your neighbors down the street were having a yard sale and moving. Wondering why the little strip mall that was under constructing, stopped at mid point and never completed.

          >> Baltimore Sun ;
          Reagan presidency pivotal for unions
          Workers: Organized labor’s situation worsened under his administration.

          Ronald Reagan’s presidency signaled a critical period for organized labor, a time when unions began shrinking at a much faster pace and it became more acceptable for businesses to fight off labor organizations.

          But what remains in dispute about his legacy is whether the former president’s actions triggered a decline in union membership or accelerated a trend that was had already begun.

          “It isn’t clear whether Reagan set the tone for the ’80s and into the ’90s, or whether he reflected changes in society,” said Charles Craver, a labor law professor at George Washington University Law School and author of Can Unions Survive? The Rejuvenation of the American Labor Movement.

          The percentage of the American work force that was unionized peaked in the 1950s at about 35 percent and had fallen to 23 percent by the time Reagan was elected in 1980, according to Craver and the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

          During the decades leading up to Reagan’s presidency, the number of union members grew – but not as quickly as the work force was expanding.

          The culture had started to change, America was becoming more conservative, and employers were becoming more strongly anti-union, Craver said.

          An important turning point came in 1981, shortly after Reagan took office, when he fired about 12,000 federal air traffic controllers who went out on strike.

          The controllers – represented by one of the few unions that supported Reagan in his bid for presidency, the Professional Air Traffic Controllers’ Organization or PATCO – were fired for violating a law that forbids federal workers from striking.

          By carrying out his threat to fire the controllers if they did not return to work Reagan not only set limits for public employee unions, but also signaled that it was OK for businesses to play hardball with private sector unions.

          ‘Sent a message’

          “The biggest thing that that did was it sent a message to the private employer community that it would be all right to go up against the unions,” Craver said. “Whether he intended to do that, I don’t know.”

          After the PATCO strike, the number of union members began to decline.

          Only about 12.9 percent of workers belonged to a union last year, according to the most recent numbers available from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

          “Beginning in the ’70s you started to have a number of corporations who began to challenge labor, not just at the negotiating table, began to challenge the legitimacy of organized labor,” said John Jordan, president of Washington public relations firm Principor Communications and a union organizer for 10 years.

          ‘Opened floodgates’

          “This really didn’t become mainstream acceptable until Reagan broke the PATCO union, and that really opened the floodgates to a major effort on the part of corporate America to essentially beat labor back into a corner to a place where they haven’t recovered yet,” said Jordan.

          I find that to be very true, ~ we,(me & people like me) have been walking backwards since 1980. Never has my dollar bought more since.

          But the story varies with the teller and their position. Many prospered under Reagan ~ for awhile anyway. ~ Today we have what they are calling, “strategic default” ~ many of my uppity friend are bailing out of their big houses, willing to take the black eye and bloody nose on their credit report just to bail and be free of it.

          It takes a long time to see the final result of decisions sometimes, early results are just that, ~ early.

          Robert Byrd might have been and done half of what he’s being accused of by this slanderous article . If so, the people of West Virginia have suffered a huge loss and the rest of us have gained.

          From the way he is being described you would think we could all feel the vacuum.

          • Claire

            Bob Wire–Interesting read. Thanks for the info.

          • Vicki

            A union IS a special interest.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The unions are a special interest group as far as Im concerned. They gather money, force their people to give to the democrats, give the democrats large amounts of cash, then the democrats pay them back, like letting oil run all over instead of accepting help to skim it off by the most technological advanced oil skimmers in the world, Obama the Usurper stated that the unions were the ones that get this work. Thus, the payback, of Ill scratch your back and you scratch mine. The unions vote for the dems for years, so they gave GM and Chrysler billions of our dollars. Payback time again. Now the unions owe them votes for the next 20 years, and they will get more paybacks, and its vicious circle. They are a special interest group of their own.

        • Smilee

          Baberoni

          Oh please this is pure right wing propaganda and has not one word of truth in it

  • http://gmail i41

    Wyo. and South Dakota voted on term limits and Daschle went right to the Supreme Court to get it over ridden. That kind of help seal Daschle’s vote out a little stronger. Of course So. Dak. voted for a brain dead senior senator who cann’t speak, and has a pretty good pension, and is referred to as dribbler by the state’s voters. He is a good lap dog for Omoron, but isn’t worth a damn to use as a hunting dog.

  • Claire

    Wall Street, politicians, and the political wannabes are all walking around with a pantload. They stink.

  • Bob Wire

    Great summary Claire! a pant load, they stink!

    well, we are posed to clean their butt up and a re-upholstery their a$$es and make them behave!

    We need today a serious attack dog ~ a serious threat to any and all elected officials. Something beside just the ballot box.

    A dog that’s got a name and is feared! A dog with strong, powerful teeth!

    A dog that is not party affiliated.

    As it stands now, we only have two puppies that do what they want.

    • Claire

      Bob Wire–I have 8 medium-sized dogs-I wonder if they could help! But out of all 8 of them, only 2 are watchdogs! I sometimes think they have more common sense than the politicians. Of course, I am prejudiced.
      All joking aside, we must hold the politicians accountable, all of them. It doesn’t make any difference what party they belong to, we have to demand that they be honest and forthright. They have gotten by with a lot of garbage and enough is enough.

  • Harold Olsen

    My reaction to Robert Byrd’s death is the same reaction I had to Ted Kennedy’s death: The world is a better place now that he is gone. Good riddance!

    • STEVEN

      Will we say GOOD RIDDANCE when you are gone HAROLD OLSEN? Good grief, you need professional help.

    • JeffH

      I think America will be much better off without them.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I have to totally agree Harold. As a truth seeking Christian, I have to totally agree. Ted Kennedy was a drunken louse. He was a wife beater and a wife cheater. He murdered a young woman and walked. He lied, cheated, and taxed to death the people of Massachusetts. Robert Byrd was a self glorifying man, which is undoubtedly witness by everything he had built by glorifying himself by having his name put on it, to memorialize it. His state flounders in illiteracy, unemployment, and is so dependant on government handouts, that he has left them in worst shape than what they were in when he came into power there. So both their states, the United States government, and the people of the United States, are better off with them gone than still here. I dont possible see how anyone could dispute that, other than their immediate families who will always miss their loved ones.

      • Smilee

        A truth seeking Christian?? Then why no forgiveness coming from you????????????

  • STEVEN

    and chip wood is a real jerk.

    • Bob Wire

      Steven, if you are like me, I get little comfort in the knowing what you wish, is more then likely what you will receive but accept it. It’s like a self-inflicted gun shot wound.

      I’ve seen it played over and over as the years pass by and learned Mother was right from the very beginning!

      So my wish would be, more people understood and accepted this as a “natural law” of which few escape. We all enjoy the rewards of our thoughts, now or later.

      • STEVEN

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        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Nice job Steven #$@@$& and ^$%$%#^@ and @$#%(&%$#

      • Smilee

        Bob Wire says:
        July 10, 2010 at 12:22 pm

        Did I miss something?? He made a statement and said nothing about having a wish. I agree with him, Chip is very skilled at arousing the dark side of the many here and has little concern for the truth in his articles.

  • Claire

    Hmmmm–the King of Pork. I think that statement applies to numerous politicians-Democrats and Republicans. That is why they squeak( oink) when they walk.
    I don’t want to see anyone die, I just want politicians to be honest. But this is like winning the lottery. It will never happen. Maybe?? One can always hope.

  • hundabuxt

    I live in Alaska, a State with less than 800,000 people and relatively little infrastructure when juxtaposed to more mature States like West Virginia. Federal money is a big boost to the development of roads, bridges (not the ones to nowhere) airports and the like, which benifit Americans. We’ve only been a State since 1959 when we became the 49th. Hawaii is the 50th. We had, up until recently, one of the biggest porkers in Washington, Senator Stevens, who was defeated in his bid for reelection by a liberal, devious, slimmy Democrat with good timing, because we’re largely a consevative State. Come on! We supported Ross Perot. I liked him myself even though he was a little nuts, he was undeniably a real American. It was always Senator Stevens contention that Alaska being a relatively new State, deserved all the Federal money we could get to develop our infrastructure. We have very few roads in a State twice the size of Texas. Texans hate it when we point that out. Stevens did a bang up job, and until he got busted for, what was really a relatively minor misjudgement of the moral line for political favors, (many of the other 434 do it much more richly, but wrong is wrong)even at his advanced age, he would have gotten reelected and almost did. I suspect that eventually we might have secretly sent him to a Taxidermist after he died and have a Ventriloquist assigned to him with a long arm to stick up his backside and make his mouth move, just to keep him on the job. Where this is all going is that this current system is indicitive of one of the major flaws in our representation in Washington. Our reps always claim that their longivity benifits we consituents with the power of pork and committees due to seniority. That’s the hook. But those favors don’t always go to the home State. Many favors are done for wealthy and influential corporations and individuals elsewhere, often who are represented by the many lobbyists lurking in the halls of the legislature. Does anybody recall Abramoff? There are many more like him who are still there. Our republic has been preverted by this and it favors the wealthy and powerful far too much at the expense of the middle class mostly. Term limits, limited lobbying and the means to distribute Federal money equitably amoung the States will bring back, or at least improve our republic, but we’ll play hell trying to rip their power away from them.

    • meteorlady

      Can you actually imagine if we got rid of the Department of Education, the Department of Energy, the Department of “whatever” how much money we would save in tax dollars by just eliminating all the buildings, employees and equipment it takes to run these agencies? Then think about all those tax dollars staying in the state and the state taking care of education, roads and energy themselves? We would be so far ahead of the game if that were true and we would actually have a more efficient structure for all these agencies. The waste and fraud would be gone at the federal level and taxpayers in each state could actually see what’s happening with their tax dollars and object or not to programs.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        The problem is, instead of getting rid of these worthless agencies, it seems that whenever the democrats get in office, they make more and more of them. Did you know that when Carter started this Department of Energy, it was supposed to find a way to wean us off of foreign oil? Now, we use more foreign oil than ever before they were formed, and there are some 200,000 people working in it, plus hundred of thousands more contracted through them. What a crock. They didnt accomplish what they were formed for, and should be abolished immediately. But there are too many liberals running it, in bed with too many special interest groups, and they are all making too much money, and no one in either party has the backbone to pull the plug on them. The IRS needs either abolished or scaled back. And there are so many more, its rediculous.

    • Bob Wire

      for what it’s worth hundabuxt,

      I hate you lost Steven, ~ it was a partisan hatchet job ~ We had much the same thing happen here in Texas many years back, lost two good politician from both side of the isle, Dem Loyd Benson over a damn book deal and Rep John Hightower(a mature single man) for enjoying women.

      You lost Steven over a damn porch and little upgrade around the Casa.

      In Stevens case, he was cleared ~ but it came too late for a good vote turnout. really sucked!

      I plan to make it to your great state someday so keep a log on the fire. I hate “COLD”!

  • meteorlady

    Byrd was in it for the power and influence. He was senile and if he truly cared about his state he would have retired and let someone younger and able to actually think straight represent his constituents. Bryd loved his power and influence even when he no longer was able to function at the job he was elected to do. I would assume that his “handlers” kept him going as long as they could. It was a really selfish act to stay in office when you were not capable of doing the job anymore.

    • STEVEN

      I suspect you could have said that about Strom Thurmond who stayed in office much longer than he ever should have. In fact, he should have retired in 1948! What an (word removed for offensive content) he was.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Exactly. Strom Thurmond was the same way. Arlen Specter should have been kicked out years ago. As should Dick Lugar here in Indiana. He is so entrenched that you cant get him out, but he doesnt do anything but spend money traveling around. Heck man, he should have retired 20 years ago. But when they dont have to work, get free vacations around the world one after another, with free health care, free meals, why would they want to retire. They got life by the balls, and we are paying for it, every stinking day. Many of them, need to go.

  • Claire

    Sorry, but there is not an appropriate site to post this comment. So I am off the subject.
    At my office, I receive a lot of journals, and this past week I receive a security journal and I found this to be interesting.

    China is stepping up spying against the U.S. –A recent report to Congress from the U.S.–China Economic Review Commission found that Chinese intelligence collection efforts against the United States are growing in scale, intensity, and sophistication. The group also found a marked increase in cyber intrusions “originating in China and targeting U.S. government and defense-related computer systems.” The report says recent espionage cases find China using more people outside of the Chinese-American community. The commission that wrote the report is a bipartisan 12-member board appointed by Congress. Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Qin Gang denied many of the commission’s findings. The report “takes no regard of the true situation,” Qin Gang wrote on the ministry web site. “It is full of prejudice, and out of ulterior motive.”

    Now I find this to be interesting, and I am not surprised. I am not trying to start anything here, but I think America needs to be watchful. Our government better stay on the ball.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      One thing they got going for them, is their government is on the same page. If someone in their government suggested giving lawyers to enemies they caught on the battlefield, they would be immediately shot or sent to prison, and rightfully so. They dont have to bow to political correctness, and kiss the butts of ecologists and perverted people that sleep with their own sex, and people that arent even from their country. Try to be an illegal alien in China. Yeah, good luck with that. Yet our numero uno top leader wants to stop Arizona from enforcing the federal law they are supposed to be enforcing. So stinking sad for us. And what is scary, is there are actual American people that voted for this guy. That is scary.

      • Smilee

        You sure express a lot of hatred about a lot of things,

  • chuck b

    claire

    if you go back to the korean war and read what happened at the yalu river, where the chinese has massed thousands of troops and supplies ready to invade no. korea to confront the u.s. mcarthur wanted to bomb the chinese and destroy the bridges into korea, however, truman a good old democrat prevented mcarthur from doing so and the chinese poured into korea. you know the rest.
    we do not have that kind of military leadership anymore, yet we do have that kind of president, well, yeah, the present is even worse by far.
    i often wonder what the world would look like today if truman had left mcarthur alone, one things for sure china wouldn’t be a problem.

    • Claire

      chuck b — Although I am not in favor of war, and I despise the one America is in now–I do think when it is necessary, it is necessary. However, when it is not necessary then stay the heck out of it. The Korean war could have been handled differently, I agree. Although I was a youngster at the time, I do remember my Mother and Grandma(bless their hearts) they used to talk about Truman a lot. If my memory serves me right, I think they were “for” MacArthur.
      No, we do not have military leadership like that anymore. And for this reason this is why I do not like sending our precious soldiers into harms way. If we go to war, sock it to them, get it over with and come home. No more dragging it on and on.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Claire,
        Patton should have been let go as well. He offered to invade Russia, make it look like they started it and defeat them as well. with his tanks and men, I still believe he would have succeded as well!!!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          And just think of all the billions of dollars that could have been saved if we would have done that. Billions.

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    Old Devil HATE; I knew you long ago and I found out the poison in your breath – Pete Seeger …I know you Christens just can’t wait to get back to The Dark Ages burning liberals at the stake are anyone else who thinks for themselves. Well blow on Lucifer loves you.

    • Claire

      lighterknot–Whether you like it or not and whether you believe it or not, there is hate in every country. I was not spewing hate in my comment or I would have used different words that would have curled your hair. I posted this comment because I do believe we should be watchful BECAUSE of the HATE in a lot of these countries. It is not being paranoid and hateful. It is a fact of life. America does have to stay on guard. Remember 9/11?? I am a person that puts America first and foremost before any other type of subversion that may come from within or outside of the U.S.
      And I sure as heck did not mention burning liberals at the stake or anyone else that thinks for themselves. I do think for myself, so don’t try to put words in my mouth, it won’t work with me. I have my opinion, you have yours. I don’t try to crucify you for your opinion, so don’t crucify me for my opinion. Lucifer loves me?? I think not. Does he love you?

      • kate8

        Right on, Claire.

        We have been warned about the Chinese for decades. I can remember astute people saying, back when I was much younger, that it was not so much the Soviets or whoever the threat-of-the month was that we had to watch, but the Chinese.

        They’ve been silently building huge armies and piling up bigger and better weapons for some time now. And with our help! And the Chinese have been flooding this country, both legal and illegal, for some time, too. The Chinese are interested in possessing America for themselves, and they intend to cleanse it of Americans when the time comes. They believe their race to be superior.

        Of course there are good American Chinese just as there are good people across the board. But many peoples around the world are raised and taught to hate America, and we are foolish to think these people are not a threat to us.

        China has a history of brutality and low regard for humanity. We need to take this seriously.

        • Claire

          kate8– You are correct. And here I go again. I can remember my Mother and Grandma talking about China. It was not good. They have an army of millions. And they have always kept up their military. Always. I have read about it for years and years. This is exactly why I have always said we MUST keep our military and weaponry strong, we must never falter on this issue. With the way the world is nowadays
          one never knows what can happen. And we may be vulnerable right now with so many of our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. We need to bring them home. NOW.

          • Claire

            What is it with this time element? My time is 8:00 p.m. It startles me sometimes and I think what the? Have I been on the computer that long?? LOL

      • Bob Wire

        It wasn’t directed at you Claire.

        Interesting read you offer. Yes China could be a treat ~ but for no we own they money!

        Have you ever had someone own you a lots of money?

        To ever get your money back, requires you to extend your tolerance levels.

        If you kill them , you’ll never get it back, if you beat them up, it only complicates things. You are left to work with them. I think that’s where we are at with China.

        And it’s not surprising they have great interest in us, we own them money and ~ as the only benefits I see in the present “ongoing wars” is our R&D and field trials of armament. ~ We had some bad a$$ toys. ~ They want to get into our toy box like all kids do.

        • Claire

          Bob Wire – Yes, we owe China big time. This is not good but no way out of it until we pay them off. And I don’t know how we’ll do it.

          • Bob Wire

            We’ll work and dig our way out Claire.

            You remember Ross Perot and the 1992 election campaigns I’m sure.

            Ross was always using huge pie charts as visual aids and explain “what ever!” ~ He had one that showed the national debt. ~ At that time,~ much like you today, I was thinking “Man that’s bad! ~ We are never get out of this alive! ~ never pay that off! ~ Well a new president come in and enough people was hopeful of the future we made a big dent in the national debt. ~ We didn’t actually pay it off but for once the Federal budget was balanced.

            It can be debatable as to who or to what, deserves the credit for this. But one thing is clear, There came a time when “all Americans” were hopeful and encouraged to spend,invest and save.

            It is for us, the American People to make this happen again, one more time before I’m too old to take advantage of it.

            And it will! ~ I just don’t know when.

            I’ve been reading a book titled “Moral Center” by David Callahan. He brings forward “all the things” that feeds the fires we discuss on these threads. The reasons we all feel as we do, all the virtues, beliefs,notions we all carry. ~ The conflicting that grips both Conservatives & Liberals. They both are wanting much the same things but in various degrees.

            Callahan ends the book, “Personal is Political”. ~ it was copyrighted in 2007 so it’s a little behind the curve. But he projected a movement much like the Tea Party ~ but comprised of mostly conservative progressives. Considering he was writing this in 2005 and 6, I’d say that’s worthy consideration.

            Americans embraces venture capitalism, tradition and core values yet excess of these things bring ideas into conflict and “we do all see” a moral decline that’s disturbing. ~ He breaks the American people into two categories, “the cares and the care not’s” they are find in all political camps. The care not’s are all about themselves and the care’s are trying real hard to look out for everyone finding it a huge task, compounded as the care not’s have given up and it’s every man for himself yet wanting to return to simpler times, self reliance and tradition . ~ It was 255pages of “details”, stats and trends. Boring really ~ but insightful no less.

            We’ll get through this Claire, promise, I just might not be around.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Yeah, us Christians want to go back to the dark ages. Your nuts. They realized their wrong ways, and went through a reformation. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is now delivered with love, as it was designed to be. I highly suggest you go through your own reformation, and get down on your knee’s and invite Jesus Christ into your life. Only then, will you be pulled out of the darkness that evidently surrounds you. I know, I used to live there. And its pretty ugly and messy in there.

  • kate8

    BTW, the left is obsessed with hate. When they want to shut us up, they holler “hate!”

    God gave us minds and intended for us to be discerning. Do do any thing else is foolish and suicidal.

    The left is made up of foolish children who are incapable of seeing things the way they really are. We’ve allowed them to get out of control in this country, and they are taking us on a fast-track to oblivion.

    We are told that an army of 200,000,000 comes out of the East. It’s not a stretch to know who that is.

    God bless.

    • chuck b

      kate8

      remember bill clinton when pres. allowed some u;s; companies to sell guidance systems to china for their missiles. this allowed the chinese to close the gap since they were eons behind us. overnight they became capable of delivering a nuclear bomb in our back yard. clinton and gore were gathering campaign money and selling out our country at the same time.

      • Claire

        chuck b– I just told hundabuxt that I remember something going on about that. Do you have any more details?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        chuck b,
        Not to take any of the guilt from Clinton for what he did, but the Chinese could have put a missile in the U.S. long before Clintoon. They are just more accurate now!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Yes it is true, Bill Clinton sold our technology to China. And he sold our jobs to Mexico. And I think he sold his soul also.

        • Smilee

          As a professed Christian how can you feel so free to sit in judgement of others? Just how Christian is that???

    • JeffH

      kate8, By now I would be dissappointed if the libs didn’t talk the hate and racist talk…they rarely speak facts and even more rarely speak the truth.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Jeff, dont you know, only the left wing liberals are allowed to be racist and full of hate. And if you dont agree with them, your a racist and a hater. Dont know why, but thats how they are. Thats just how they are.

        • libertytrain

          yep. And they were also so genteel in their criticism of George Bush – remember?

    • Bob Wire

      >>The left is made up of foolish children who are incapable of seeing things the way they really are. We’ve allowed them to get out of control in this country, and they are taking us on a fast-track to oblivion.<<

      You do a great disservice to your cause with such statements Kate.

      Evidently you can affect the changes you desire without any help or cooperation, because you're sure not going to get it that way!

      and

      You haven't "ALLOWED" nothing! ~ It was taken.

      Calling us crazy , angry and mean ~ I think you need a reality check. Listen to yourself. It takes 10 good well spoken Tea Party members to make up for the damage you do, every time you open your mouth.

      • kate8

        BW, What’s right is right and what’s wrong is wrong. The biggest mistakes conservatives make is too much compromising with the left.

        The left is always screaming about compromise. But it is only compromise from the right. The left NEVER compromises. When they get power they run roughshod over anyone who disagrees with them.

        BW, I am a recovered leftie. I know of which I speak. The left thinks they are superior and more evolved, and has the right to force their agenda on those who are “lesser”. Well, I’m here to tell you that this is nothing less than tyranny, and it is profoundly evil.

        Am I interested in enlisting cooperation from the left? LOL. NO, because it would mean that I would have to compromise MY principles.

        It is time for conservatives to get a spine and take a stand against this evil that is strangling or nation. Many of us may perish in the process, but then, we are Americans, and that is what we do.

        BTW, I’m speaking ideologically right and left, not politically. Both factions are hopelessly corrupt, and are two sides of the same coin.

        • Bob Wire

          We’ve endured 22 years of “right” of the last 30 Kate.
          `
          and Presidents set the agenda and signs the final bill into law. ~ regardless what we might wish to offer congress credit for.

          So I fail to see any overriding validation in your commentary. Perhaps it’s true, that it shouldn’t be that way ~ but that’s the way it’s been.

          As 43′s Tax cuts for the wealthy fall off in the next few months, there’s going to be more people liking him even less.

          The GOP has already started their double talk explaining what a bad idea it is and how bad it’s going to effect everyone! They make a very believable argument if you listen to them.

          Myself, as I’ve said many times. where’s the jobs and the economic grow that was promised from these Tax cuts? These cuts represent a huge amount of money. What did we buy with it? What did they buy? Where’s the investments in America?

          They plan to out spend the DNC next election with the help of BP and other oil firms. So you might as well plan to get on the BP defense band wagon Kate. poor BP, mean old federal government.
          .

  • CabotAR

    Good Lord!!

    1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
    2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
    3. From courage to liberty;
    4. From liberty to abundance;
    5. From abundance to complacency;
    6. From complacency to apathy;
    7. From apathy to dependence;
    8. From dependence back into bondage

    • Bob Wire

      where’s the starting point ? Egypt?

      I’m not Jewish or Arab.

      Never was in bondage,

      More Eric the Red stock.

      always fighting and dieing free men.

      from the first rattle out of the box.

      even Kublai Kong left us alone.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Barb wire,
        Try Kubla Kahn.

  • hundabuxt

    There were people in government who quit their jobs in protest because of the mandate during the clinton administration for shipping nucular secrets to China. I have witnesses. Something very wrong has been going on here.

    • Claire

      hundabuxt—Seems like I remember something going on about that back then. If you know more, tell me.

    • kate8

      Something is very wrong here.

      We have this administration admiring Chairman Mao, praising the Chinese government, flying the Chinese flag over the WH, I read a comment from a Cadet on the east coast saying that the Chinese flag flew at the academy. Not to mention that the Chinese hold a great deal of our debt, and I read that Hillary gave the Chinese eminent domain rights in CA.

      Indeed. Very wrong.

      • Claire

        kate8—I am getting worried.

  • Bob Wire

    you don’t speak Chinese?

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    US got made in China. Claire you are a Pompous Ass to assume I was commenting on your post – I was speaking to all you Christen HATE mongers. If Jesus Christ returned and took charge, tried to disarm America and make world peace you would crucify him all over again. You know you would; you’d say he was un-American.
    How many of you shop at Wall-Marts and other big box stores that moved to China.

    • JeffH

      …seems mr. knot is bound by his convictions…fly away, fly away…

      Claire, don’t even waste your time with this N-Case…

    • Claire

      Pompous ass?? That could apply to you, too.

  • chuck b

    claire:

    Pursuing his misguided policy of “constructive engagement” with the Chinese – and fueled by millions in illegal campaign contributions from the Chinese and several high-tech American corporations, Mr. Clinton mounted a ferocious campaign to beg, borrow, or buy enough Congressional votes to give the brutal Chinese dictators the victory they wanted. This, at the very time when Republican Congressional members were reminding Mr. Clinton that Congress was about to examine the question of whether national security was compromised by the Clinton Commerce Department’s transfer of missile technology to China.

    These transfers prompted House GOP Conference Chairman John Boehner, a traditional MFN supporter, to say that even support for the annual extension was in peril because Clinton had not swiftly put to rest suggestions that the missile technology waivers were connected to big Democratic campaign contributions from Loral Space & Communications’ chairman and CEO, Bernard Schwartz, who had a long history of complicity in Democrat Party fund raising scandals. In 1994, he gave the DNC $100,000 and visited China with President Clinton’s Commerce Secretary Ron Brown. Their trip netted Loral a $250 million package that allowed China to use Chinese rockets to launch Loral’s multi-million dollar satellites into space.

    • Claire

      chuck b — Thank you for the information.

  • Bob Wire

    WoW! where did that come from? ~ I see no call for such talk Knot. Totally unsolicited and out of character for you. What’s up?

    Interesting read this morning about China, it was detailed and lengthy, I cut it down.
    >>”By ANDREW BATSON And AARON BACK

    BEIJING—China’s trade surplus rebounded in June to its highest level in half a year, part of official economic data released over the weekend that paints a picture of cooling domestic growth but so-far resilient demand from the global economy.

    China’s exports exceeded imports by $20.02 billion in June, the General Administration of Customs said Saturday, wider than the $19.5 billion trade surplus in May and the just $1.68 billion recorded for April. Exports grew unexpectedly fast in June—with shipments to Europe actually picking up, despite that region’s economic difficulties—while gains in imports continued to slow.”<>”America’s trade deficit with China last year was some US$260 billion, an 11.4% increase over 2006 and up 60% in just three years.

    Japan generated $83 billion in U.S. global debt in 2007, a 6% decline from 2006 and an 11% gain from 2004. Both China and Japan buy about $63 billion in American imports annually. However, Chinese exports to America more than’<<

    Hells Bells ~ that's old news!

  • Bob Wire

    i’m not sure what happen to that post? ~ That was two separate copy & paste items and I indicated it so, It just didn’t print it that way.

    that’s happen to me several times as I leave the site to research and return? ??????

  • hundabuxt

    Claire

    I couldn’t say more about the issue in this forum. Certain government agencies have a tendency to make a visit to your home to discuss the subjects you’ve commented on openly. A family member has had that experience and it can be intimidating. I may have said too much already and no I’m not paranoid but everyone in government is not your friend and the NSC listens.

    • Claire

      hundabuxt–I understand, I have probably said too much myself. Thanks for your courtesy.

  • hundabuxt

    Bob Wire

    I missed your earlier comment about Steven’s. Thank you. He was fundamentally a good politician. There is a viscious element out there. Sarah Palen, while not presidental material in my opinion is nevertheless a good, Christian American with the best interests of America at heart. When she got nominated for VP she energized the Republican party and we had a hoard of vampires decending on our State looking for dirt. It was unbelievable! It was like a Locust infestation. Stevens was subject to that as well.
    Its conforting to know I have a like minded fellow down there in Texas. I have two son’s there, one a fighter pilot and one a cop. If you live in the right city I can get a ticket fixed with a word for his pappy and perhaps a few doughnuts.
    You’re welcome in Alaska anytime. I’ll show you some awsome sights, oh and its not always cold and no we don’t have Igloo’s anymore. Where I’m at its been in the upper 60′s and beautiful. Some other places in the interior its been in the 80′s.

    • Bob Wire

      You do hundabuxt , you do. I am a Texas democrat, and horse manure is horse manure wherever you find it.

      The Media needs to get out of the “NEWS MAKING” business and just report it.

      It’s unfettered capitalism that’s poisoning the well.

      These news organizations have owners and sponsors. ~ It’s a grab for market shares and with it comes the hearts and minds of many American’s. They must have a produce that’s better then the other guys!

      It’s programing! ~ ” Even a Caveman can do it!”
      ” For When the time is right”, “You’re in good hands” , ” More Bars”, ~ It’s insane! ~ words get planted in the mind! fears, doubts, hate, anger, who’s going to be the bad guy today. Then there is people like Meshell Bockman, that seems to baste in the attention, enjoys it ~ willing to be like Rush and say “anything”. For an elected official, she over the top often!

      Yes Palin was attacked, and yes it was pushed too far. ~ But much of it she enjoyed. ~ It helped make her an “Item” she benefited from, but she has had to suffer it. She has punched back if you will remember, She’s not a gracious person by nature but a fighter and that’s came out.

      Give her 10 years of apply herself she could someday be a force to be dealt with. A very tenacious personality. The problem she will always have is rooted in ego. ~ Uncontrolled Ego is a killer of intellect.

      I have a little brother like that, he knows everything I know plus whatever he knows.

      But yes, ~ I’m with you buddy, ~ and I don’t think i fit the image many consider a liberal. ~ I don’t see myself as one, not one that many describe anyway. But I admit I do enjoy trees!

  • chuck b

    hundabuxt

    some of whom post here have made the comment, sarah palin is not of presidential character. i have always been very leery of a woman becoming president, mostly, of their tendency to be too emotional and i don’t see this in palin. she is a very strong woman and not afraid to confront her adversaries. she appears to be honest and quite smart. she has all the qualities that our present occupant of the white house does not. take a comparison of her to hillary clinton, now there’s one for the books, hillary has been involved in every kind of crooked scheme going and i believe is a culprit in the killing of vince foster. her and bill have spent millions of the taxpayers dollars defending themselves in the courts, yet if hillary runs in 2012 and i think she will, the public will accept her as a candidate and the democrats will proclaim her as the second coming. why does the media keep this comstant smear campaign going against palin? they fear her thats why.

    • JeffH

      chuck b, you got it!

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    Good Christen American; He can get a ticket fixed with a word if you live in the right city. Of course that’s not corruption just being a good neighbor, but think what he might do as a senator.

    Sorry to loose my cool Bob Wire; reading this HATE liberals and government BS just seems to light my knot. They are not Christens and they don’t know beans about conservatism they don’t believe established science and are totally without deductive reason.

    • Bob Wire

      I understand, we all are subject to the same pressures. The more outspoken you are, the more gaff you can expect. ~ But the wording is very important. Don’t allow people to pull you off base and find you in default.

      It’s tempting, I know, sometimes I want to “unload” myself and there has be times I have. But I regretted it and felt ashamed of myself.

      Words mean something! Keep an open mind and good banter. We are closer to agreement then many people think. While accepting some will never be reached or compromises made, feeling Liberalism is the root of all that’s wrong with America today. Yet conservative strong hold though out this great nation have the highest divorce ratios while liberal strong hold enjoy the least. ~ What does that mean? I guess that it’s subject to interpretation. For me, it means the grand ideas of conservationism falls short in many area of accepting rational realities, falling short in real world application of them.

      example; prenatal care? sure! postnatal care? not so much!

      there is a divide that refuses to accept hard issues and wishes to leave it up to God, ~ and then some hard issues some wish government should be in you marriage bed and your death bed.

      It can’t be had both ways.

  • hundabuxt

    Lighternot

    You need to lighten up pal. I was joking about getting a ticket fixed. My son’s a cop in a texas town not Chicago, home of the obomonation.

    Chuck B

    I’ve had similar, what could be called chauvinist thoughts about women being a major political leader, in this case the most powerful position in the world for the time being. But two people changed my thinking: The British so called “Iron Lady” who Ragan got along very well with calling her “Maggy” and if your read some of her exploits such as sitting calmly in a simulated hostage situation while live fire exercises are conducted by the SAS while her assistant, a guy, soils his skivvies, you have a new respect for the fairer sex (at least some of them) and another called Golda Myere (spelling wrong) who was the very effective leader of Israel during troublsome times. I’ve spoken to Sarah and she’s a genuine American with Christian beliefs and standards and she’s intellegent. She’s a rare combination of beauty and brains, however, I don’t believe she’s ready for prime time, that is the presidency. She was sucker punched by the press during the McCain campaign. Had she had 4 years as a VP getting experience I would reevaluate my position on that. In equity, I’d rather have Sarah as president than the current occupant of the white house all thing’s considered. A properly chosen staff can smooth many tough decisions. Sarah has the best interests of the State of Alaska and America at heart. She didn’t put the kinds of personal burdens on Alaskans her predecessors did while Governor. She drove herself to work and home every day rather than have a State Trooper do it for instance. Former governor Merkowski bought a jet in spite of the intense resistance of the people. He didn’t like the State Beechcraft Kingair because it wasn’t fast enough or comfortable enough. Sarah sold the damn thing. She can gut a Moose, not a task for the weak or faint of heart. I know. I’ve done many and they weigh 800 to 1200 pounds on the hoof. She flies and is a commercial fisherman. Airplanes to us are like stationwagons to Texans. She can shoot. She’s a girlie girl when she needs to be but I wouldn’t stand too close to those sexy red shoes if she’s pissed. She’s not ready to be president realistically. She’d make a good senator or congressman for now or perhaps the VP position for the right president like Gingrich where she could get on the job training for 4 years. My opinion. She’s a great spokesman for the Tea Party movement and she scares the hell out of the opposition. I’m a conservative with a Libertarian slant much like someone else earlier said he was. We are many in the State of Alaska. I agree Hillery was likely involved with the death of Vince. We should be very concerned that high levels of government can conduct themselves above the law. Do you recall the Silkwood incident? I was told by a career Air Force person that our government, ah, how shall I say this without being visited by the black helecopters, can make people go away. How’s that?

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    hundabuxt I don’t read minds but by the rest of your rant I’d say I pegged you rather well.

    I don’t expect Christens not to have a full range of emotions – male or female – but I do expect you to follow the teaching if you’re going to claim to be one. The ones I know seem to think Christ died for their sins so they can sin all they damn well please – I find that irresponsible and dangerous.

    And just what is a Good American – God’s chosen; us against them – how childish.

    And what are these crumbs you toss to the gentler sex; History is littered with powerful, tyrannical females that make some generals look like wimps.

  • chuck b

    hundabuxt

    newt gingrich is the most politically savvy candidate and a highly intelligent person. the problem is he is too political and too wrapped up in washington. we need to clean out the republican party and steer it in another direction. it would be good time to form a new party within an old with new thinking and get rid of the political hacks. that’s why i think palin would be a godsend for our country, she’s got more guts than romney, huckabee and the rest put together and she’s smart enough for the job. maybe gingrich as vp?

  • hundabuxt

    Lighterknot

    I’m afraid you demonstrate your ignorance about christians. You might try to educate yourself before you make assumptions, like studying the Bible for instance. The statements you make above are generalizations. Christians do sin. They do it all the time because the only perfect human to have walked the earth was Jesus Christ. Through his death on the cross we are sinless if we believe he died for our sins on the cross. He was the ultimate sacrifice God provided for those who believe in Him. Without Christ we have no hope of being sinless. If a person sins repeatedly and willfully he doesn’t really demonstrate the traits a true christian does. When christians sin we feel guilt not unlike the guilt felt when you hurt someone you love, say, your father or mother. You ask for forgiveness and the strength to resist the temptation to do it again. A man might lust for a woman in his heart but never commit adultry physically. In God’s eyes the magnitude of the sin is equal. Christians spend their lives striving for perfection by attending a teaching, evangelical church reading and studying the Bible and associating with like minded people.
    Funny you don’t understand what a “good American” is. I feel sorry for you. I enjoy history among other thing’s and the roots of American history are based in apparently God fearing, extremely intelligent men who clearly had faith in God when they crafted the magnificent documents that are the basis of our Republic. They were “good Americans” because they worked for and sacrificed for our Republic. They risked their lives and treasure to give us the gift we call being an American, something the vast majority of people in the rest of the world envy. It is being attacked now more than ever by in my opinion, evil from within, otherwise called liberals and people like Claire and Chuck B as well as many others above are apparently energized to do something about it, even if it means, I suspect, sacrifice. You Lighterknot, while we’re reading minds, strike me as hateful and angry as well as dangerously naive.

  • Felix Shumate

    I liked the man, and to me that is all that matters. Thank’s

    • Bob Wire

      Sometimes is worries me when I agree with you Chuck.
      >>newt gingrich is the most politically savvy candidate and a highly intelligent person. the problem is he is too political and too wrapped up in washington. we need to clean out the republican party and steer it in another direction.<<

      if we are to ever regain the control of government we wish to enjoy, one that better reflects the "will on the people", we need new players and not ones steeped in the mindset, gaff and corruption that exist on Capital Hill today. Newt is a GOP team player and very effective at what he does. ~ The problem is , he is capable of just about anything.

  • Bob Wire

    It seem to me, too many of us are are failing in the judgment of our candidate selection. Failing in that, ~ the we have slots to fill, ~ slots to very important positions that truly “matter” to all of us. Yet we are not being very subjective to the potential candidates.

    Many times I have seen the most worthy candidates fail to make the primary’s. The most capable women and men hardly considered.

    Palin ? ~ I’d say, Todd’s got his hands full. But Palin has not invested the time that offered a long overview of the process of government as it applies to national history , much less world history, making her a non qualifier for second chair position. Much like Angle, who has strong conviction of faith, yet has a difficult time applying them without referring to them when pressed.

    Example; I know water boils at 1 atmosphere, or 14.7 p.s.i. or sea level. So if I’m to bake a cake a in Denver, that’s one mile high. I need to make allowances in my bake time. ~~ I don’t need to tell anyone why I know this, or what my judgment is bases on ~ or where I got the information. So it is, with matters of faith, ~ When MS. Angle was asked about abortion, she stated her position and defended it by hiding, and refereeing to the bible. ~ Why couldn’t she just say, ~ This is my position? I think it’s inhumane and sets a bad precedences?

    Politicians , can’t be allowed or permitted to use the bible as some kind of “Trump Card” and sing out “Gods Will” ~~ I’m sorry, but that’s just not going to fly. ~ I don’t want such people like that holding public office.

    God’s will can be construed to be or mean anything. The bible is a teaching aid, a learning tool, a reference aid for Christian to apply to life and conduct themselves in certain fashion. But not to be shovel up in everyone’s face when asked a hard question. I’m not offended by such behavior but I do resent it and I attempt to walk the life of a Christian. ~ I can only imagine how a non-christian might feel about it.

    • kate8

      BW, I have to agree with you on our selection of candidates.

      Unfortunately, we get only what the media allows. I believe that the primaries are just a political show. The PTB have already decided which two puppets will run before the people ever vote. The rest get NO attention from the government-run media.

      More than likely, the winner is also pre-selected. How else do you explain that we never have two consecutive presidents of the same party.

      As for Sarah Palin – well, I really have no opinion about what kind of president she’d make, but I do know that Barry had ZERO to qualify him for the office. She was far more qualified than him.

      • Bob Wire

        Well, if you think a liberal arts degree, a year or so behind a news deck and few years a Governor to a “frontier”, raising kids and making moose chili from scratch makes someone worthy of consideration, far be it for me to object. Ms. Palin has her appeal, me being no exception.

        But I feel may of us has adapted and attitude much like the Khmer Rouge, Kampuchea’s Democratic, Pot Pot, Khieu Samphan, as they attempted to kill off the academicians and scholars in the population. Seeing them as the root of all evils. ~ They even killed people for wearing glasses and reading books.

        A stellar education is something to aspire too and few do. There is no substitute for getting it right in to beginning, without all the test balloons, trials & error. ~ That we are starting today on top of 30 years of mistakes make the results less obvious to everyone.

        There’s not going to be a quick fix, a quick turn around “regardless” to who’s in office or in power. ~ The road out of this mess is going to be a long one.

        The 40 year “camp out” in the wilderness Moses lead his people through was one of “attrition” of killing off of the tainted ones, the ones that couldn’t change and abide by Gods plan. Moses wasn’t lost, but cleaning the minds of his people to accept the commandment and live by them. ( my take on it, anyway)

        So, “change” does take time today, just like yesterday. Obama only started it rolling, ~ he will not finish.

        There would have be no start of any change with a McCain/Plain success. McCain is a puppet of his party and the special interest that controls them.

        Mc Cain had his chance to win, ~ by telling Karl Rove to take a hike, that he was running the show, showing us he was serious and his own man. What would Republicans have done? Vote for Obama?

        But he didn’t. ~ and so I say, ~ any start of change would not have stared with McCain.

        Omama tagged it right, we do need change ~ That many don’t like the course change no surprise. ~ Special interest liked it the way it was, retired people or people close to retirement don’t like change this late in their program. ~ They had plans! and worked towards these plans.

        Any change seen as uncertainly and that’s not good!

        I’m no acceptation to the rule , I hate a new pair of shoes or having to endure the process of breaking in a new girlfriend, willing to put up with a lot to avoid the process.

        But time stands still for no one!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          barb wire,
          Try Pol Pot!!!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Sarah Palin is as American as they get. She is a very intelligent lady, and proved she know how to govern correctly, when she shut down the corruption in Alaska between politicians and oil companies payoffs, and brought an end to that. The budget got balanced, and people actually got paid back. What Id like to see out of her and the Republicans, is to let her go, and let her be herself. They coached her through the John McCain cheerleader part, and I didnt like that. If anything, it should have been the other way around. I have no doubt that Palin/McCain would have been a winning ticket. McCain is a career politician that everyone is tired of. We on both sides are tired of the career politician. And McCain spent too much time reaching across the so called aisle, kissing the liberals butts and giving in to them, then watching them smack him in the face and not give anything back. But Id be in for a Palin ticket. I liked what she brought to the table, and I extra loved the way the democrats couldnt find any dirt on her, so they fabricated things and got caught. I like the way that they are scared to death of her, and that is exactly what the Republicans need to run, not a John McCain that is going to reach across to them while they are screwing you over.

  • hundabuxt

    Washington politics is like working in a sewer. You can’t work there without picking up some of the smell. Washington is a magnet for the nefarious, selfish and greedy because its the focal point of power and wealth. This is why powerful people who lurk on the periphery, in the shadows of government, pay lobbists to buy influence. We can elect Mr. Clean to go to the legislature to represent us and the system corrupts them to some degree because the good ol’ boy club tells them that if you want to accomplish something for your constituents you have to play ball rookie. Given the corrupt nature and temptations of that environment, I’d rather have a representative who has a fundamental christian basis for ethical conduct than someone who hasen’t a clue. It doesn’t mean they have to be Billy Graham, but the temptations there are such that I want a fundamentally honest God fearing person representing me even though I know some untoward thing’s have to be done to accomplish some benifit for those he or she represents. We had that combination in Senator Stevens, which is why we kept him for decades. Yes he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar so to speak, but what he was guilty of was chump change when compared to people like Rostentoski,(spelling) who was an outright thief. And there are many like that in Washington still. Take God out of government and you’ll get a dictatorship or worse. And I don’t mean the Muslum kind of God. I mean the kind of God our forefathers clearly believed in.

  • Dale Severs

    When you really think about it, I mean if your mind will allow you to face reality, We the people and I mean all of the legal true Americans! which by now is the minority. Those who believe in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence and so forth, are guilty of harboring and abiding criminals. When we do nothing to stop this Lawlessness and down right Anarchy that is taking place in the Capital of the United States of America, Washington DC. Then who really can we blame? I remember back in the 50s when I was a teenager and the married couple the Rosenberg’s were electrocuted for Treason against our Country. How times and morals have changed with each generation. We are now at a point in History that the uneducated, complacent and immoral society that exists today in America, are unaware of the genocidal Holocaust of Hitler-ism about to engulf them, for their illiterate and self centered mentality. It was once said: ” A LIFE NOT LIVED HELPING YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS OVERCOME THEIR TRIALS AND TRIBULATION, IS NOT A LIFE WORTHWHILE”

  • Bob Wire

    “” A LIFE NOT LIVED HELPING YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS OVERCOME THEIR TRIALS AND TRIBULATION, IS NOT A LIFE WORTHWHILE”

    well I do believe many feel this way. ~

    But this conflicts with Christianity and it’s teaching and conforms more to Venture Capitalism. Your help yourself by helping others. But there is a fine line to the process, when it becomes clear you are feeding pearls to swine.

    Example” I think that many (not all) people that live under bridges are right where they need to be. That’s the best place for them, they are free there, master of their own vessel and out of my sight. But we attempt to save the children and with them comes the women.

    What I’d enjoy seeing is some middle ground to such ideologies and platitudes.

    “Absolutes” work well in the insect world however. But we live in a world of Man. I don’t know if you are approaching me as a man or a bug.

  • Bob Wire

    You can not help anyone if you are weak!

    To help, you must be of strong mind , body a spirit first and foremost.

    We find will always find “takers” at all levels of society.

    This is where churches do their best work and one of the reasons they enjoy a tax exemption status and offered much latitude in matters of church and state ~ we are told Jesus sought out the sick, wounded, injured, people lacking in spiritual matters. This was when the bulk of his work was at as he bought enlightenment and change to the world ~ or so it’s told. It makes sense, why treat the less needy?

    • Dale Severs

      I believe Jesus our Savior, and when I say “OUR” I mean all in the world that ever was and is, was talking to those who truly understood His Sermon on the Mount of Olives. When he said “Do not cast your pearls of wisdom before those of little or no understanding, for they will only persecute you as they have done to me, and anyone who speaks the truth. If we can find it in our heart, which only Jesus can see, to forgive those who have wronged us, then we are truly blessed. For if we remember. What was physically done to Him before He gave up the Holy Spirit that was dwelling in His body or vessel, He said ” Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do, Not my will be done, but your will, Father.” We as human beings all have a spirit dwelling in us, to return to our Creator after this temporary existence of life is over. We will either be resurrected in the first resurrection or the second, which will be 1000 years from the first. Our Creator will decide as to which ones are in the first, according to the way we have conducted our lives. Mans feeble attempt to place blame and retribution on his fellow man, for his own short comings and lack of Love for all of God’s creation will be revealed as an open book. The final decision of our fate, is in the hands of Jesus!

  • Angela Zouvelos

    Re: Byrd. How shameful, no wonder we are bankrupt.

  • hundabuxt

    Bob Wire

    “Well, if you think a liberal arts degree, a year or so behind a news deck and few years a Governor to a “frontier”, raising kids and making moose chili from scratch makes someone worthy of consideration, far be it for me to object. Ms. Palin has her appeal, me being no exception.”

    Sarah has appeal because she’s someone fresh, not a professional politician such as those who’ve gotten us into this mess. This is after all ostensiby a government of the people. Sarah’s a people, a real people, not political a robot who’ve been tainted by the trash in Washington we suffer under. McCain is part of the problem, but the lessor of the evils and Sarah as VP would have permitted the opportunity to become educated in the workings of Washington with OJT (on the job training) and perhaps given her the legitimate shot at being president. It worked for Hillery. But for her experience in the White House with Billie boy, she wouldn’t have had a shot. Frankly I think Hillery is smarter than Sarah but far more devious as well. She scares me but Obama scares me much more. The real “change” we need is limited and controlled lobbists access, including agressive prosecution, term limits, greater scutiny of our representation and a shorter time for campaigning with a fixed amount of funds, AKA a level playing field. As it is now the more money you have the better your chances. Essentually you can buy your way in. As it is now our representation represents special interests not us.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Please. Hillary smarter than Sarah? What are you smoking man. Gimme a break. Are you kidding me? Had Todd Palin screwed around on Sarah like Billy Boy did, she is smart enough that she would have dumped his butt to the curb, and rightfully so. Hillary is no more than a hooker. She stayed with Bill because of the Washington connections, and in that, I have absolutely no respect for that woman at all. If she isnt smart enough to stand on her own two feet, then she isnt very smart at all. Ever read the book “Hell to Pay”? Hillary isnt smart at all. She is a little rich girl, born with a silver spoon in her mouth, and married a guy with political aspirations that worked out. She is a user, and she got used. But smart? No. Maybe a con like Bill was, but myself, I dont consider con men smart. Not at all.

  • http://herringtons.home.mindspring.com lighterknot

    Hundabuxt; Perhaps I should apologize to you good christens some of you might be real…at any rate you are human and entitled to your beliefs. No matter that I consider them dangerous and responsible for the peril we are in. I fell it my duty to appose you.
    But I should be more respectful. And thanks for making the genuine effort to enlighten me.

    As a Southerner marinated in that “Old Time Religion” and raised in the briar patch trying to survive on a 257 acre farm – we were land rich and penny poor at the end of The Great Depression. I was clearly exposed to the yen and yang of good and evil and black and white. If you didn’t go to church you were evil no matter how good you were – and if you went to church you were good no matter how evil you were. As a boy I learned quickly the straight shooters were the sorry no-good drunks and gamblers that lived their lives to the hilt, but don’t tell them you didn’t believe in Jesus Christ they were subject to come upside of your head with a fist. The liars were the deacon horse traders that couldn’t wait to take the gold out of there grandmas teeth. That was the black and white of it – I finely realized there were grays and lots of them and good and evil in both the church and the bar.

    I was the oldest of 14 joined the church at about 16 years old – lost my religion in less than a year; sense then I’ve been a seeker of god for I know there is a spirit. I became an avid reader and devoured books like The Great Religions, God and the Jews, The accent of Man, The Source – Michener, To a God Unknown – Steinbeck – to name a few that stuck. I’m convinced that religion is a political and ingenious farce designed to separate the haves from the want to haves and place that Sunday Fried Chicken in front of the preacher. Yes I remember my hunger while watching the SOB eat it. I don’t think much has changed but I still have faith in humanity – so long as I can control my own hate.

    As you might have guessed I don’t have an Ivy-League education, and what knowledge I have was hard to come by; but I did graduate from an accredited College of Art with a four year diploma. It was a revelation in that it exposed to me the know it all I am and reveled the immense ignorance I was laboring under. Not much has changed there ether.

    Now I stand at the End Time (at least the end of an age Pieces represented by Jesus Christ) the end time of my own life represented by piles of unfinished dreams and nightmares with out the energy to finish it. I need to live another 50 years just to get ready to die with everything tided up. Watch some of the seeds I’ve planted take root.

    If there is a God then I’ve seen him in the landscapes I’ve tried to paint, the faces I’ve tried to paint, the geometrical abstractions I’ve experimented with. It is for sure that a vast collective body has power and no wonder that those who wish to control it seek the chair of god. It is even possible they do it for the sake of humanity. I think I might give my life gladly just to see humanity finding it’s equilibrium with the natural world and everyone settling down to kill each other hand to hand instead of with hydrogen bombs. It would be a great joy to me to know that man was not capable of destroying this beautiful planet and the life it supports. But I think he is and might have already done some terrible damage to the food chain and himself,

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Relax. Man isnt going to destroy this planet. God is. Jesus will come again. The first time He came to serve man. The second time, He will come to judge man, and for a lot, its not going to be pretty. People say ” I dont want a God like that”. Well hey, when you spend your life living without Him, denying Him, and saying He doesnt exist, despite the fact that one doesnt have to look very far around them to see evidence of His existance. Then when you die, how can any blame Him, when He looks at them and tells them that He will give them their hearts content, and send them to a place where He will never bother them again and where they will never hear His name again. How can one say that that is not fair and just. He will give us all what our hearts content wants. That is as fair as it gets.

  • Dale Severs

    Sarah Palin has been assaulted by every Liberal hate monger in Washington and Hollywierd. It’s called “CHARACTER ASSASSINATION” and “SPIN CYCLE” and those who use it, do so with all the talent of a medical doctor performing brain surgery. If it’s one thing the human mind has learned since our existence, It is “How to boil a frog”, They have learned that the masses of people will except anything as gospel, when it is served up to them in the same way as you would boil a frog.If you put the frog into a pot already boiling, it will jump away and escape, but if you put the frog into a pot of cool water and then allow the water to slowly heat up, until it is boiling, you have a boiled dead frog. I have yet to hear any of the positive things Mrs. Palin has done for the state of Alaska while she was Governor. Why? because the masses of people in our country, do not take the time to read or learn the back ground of those they elect to an office that could change their life for the better or worse. We are to busy with the many distractions in the electronic field that have come our way, or the flood and over kill of sporting events, only allowing our minds to focus on self indulgence until we have become the victims of obesity with the folly of self aggrandizement. Do your homework before you form an opinion about politics or religion, instead of listening to here-say spewing from the mouths of fanatics, trying to further their own agendas of abnormal behavior, and coercing the multitudes to self destruction like the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Ive heard of the positive things she did in Alaska, but I had to go to Fox News to get them, because for some reason they are the only news outlet anymore interested in actually reporting the facts, and not just political agenda. The democrats tried to smear her, couldnt find anything, and even invented false accusations, forcing her to spend millions to defend herself, and even though they got caught fabricating things, they get a free pass. But they couldnt find dirt on her, and it scared the hell out of them. She actually balanced her states budget, and that scared them. She ridded out corrupt politicians, and that scared them. She gave her people back money, and that really scared them. She is fully American, and that scares the hell out of them. So needless to say, I like her.

  • hundabuxt

    Lighterknot

    Now that was an enjoyable post! You are human after all. :-/ This is way off the origional subject of “king of pork” and I’m sure I’ll be chastised for it but before you condem God for the failures of man you must consider that both God and the devil exist and the devil has great power over the will of man. I am what is called a “born again Christian” a term often misunderstood by those who are unfamiliar with Baptist type of belief. I’m not a Baptist however. I’m non-denominational having no allegiance to any organized religon so to speak.
    The devil is depected in the Bible as: “your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring Lion seeking whom he may devour” 1st Peter 5:8. Its common to blame God for the shortcomings of man. I was wronged in the worst kind of way by a former friend and my preacher, easially the worst thing that ever happened to me, and it would have been easy to blame and reject God for it. He was after all being a preacher Gods man right? Charged with teaching and preaching the gospel. Ostensibly to be expected to be far more knowlegable about the consequences of doing wrong, right? But man, any man or woman is subject to temptation. The devil split the church over that one. He had his day. But our relationship with God is one directly with God through Christ. Man has nothing to do with it really. If you depend on men, people, for your faith in God, you’ll be disappointed frequently. One of the worst situations I’ve read in the Bible was when King David of David and Goliath fame, saw the wife of his bravest general bathing out of his window. She was alone while her husband was off fighting for his king bravely, so David had her brought to him because he lusted for her due to exceptional beauty. He got her pregnant so rather than face the problem he had her husband brought back from the battlefield hoping he’d have sex with her and the baby could be tied to the husband. The general was so devoted to his men he wouldn’t sleep with his wife while knowing his men were deprived of the privlege and were risking their lives fighting for their king. He slept on the doorstep of his home. King David had him sent back to the battlefield with orders he was to be put in the most dangerious point of the battlefield and he was killed as desired by David. David was free to take his wife then with impunity. David was God’s man. He had a close and personal relationship with God much like with Soloman and Moses we can only envy and yet he conducted himself this way while knowing full well nothing is hidden from God. We’ll all pay the price sooner or later for our sins. Every man and woman has to make the decision to accept God’s gift or not. Not doing anything is a decision by default. Everyone will die someday, some sooner than others. When you close your eyes the last time you’ll pass into another life or as unbelievers think pass into nothingness, simply the end. It’ll either be a life of torment where the devil will eventually be comitted or a life of love and acceptance in paradise due to the simple sincere act of accepting God’s gift of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross for all our sins. Its hard to have a frame of reference for such love God has for us, but how would you feel about someone who jumped into a raging river to save the person you love most in this life and that person died in the act? Magnify that by millions. Don’t get all caught up in the worship of the creation rather than the creator. We have ardent environmentalists who are so caught up in the wonders and protection of creation as to lose perspective such that they forget the creator.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Satan is the prince of this world. And he leaps around devouring folks daily. God has given him free reign for now. He is not allowed to tempt us anymore than we can handle. But the battle is allready won. When Jesus took the nails for us, and spread his arms and said “I love you this much”, then died on the cross, then rose 3 days later in fulfillment of scriptures written 2 thousand years before that, his blood sealed the victory. Satan is defeated and he knows it. He is destined to be thrown into the lake of fire, and he knows that also. All he has left, is to steal as many souls as he can. That is his only delight, his only reason for living. And he wants to take as many as he can with him. And many they will be.

  • Norman

    There’s alot to be learned here. Term limits for one. Pork and excessive government spending. Elitest,votem’ out. Worthless bastards.

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