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False Flag Terror And TSA Totalitarianism

November 19, 2010 by  

False Flag Terror And TSA Totalitarianism

A suspected bomb was found on a Munich-bound flight Thursday, a convenient coincidence in light of the growing revolt over the Transportation Security Administration porn show/grope fest going on at American airports.

For a little history, after 9/11 — where a bunch of Middle-Eastern cave dwellers are reported to have commandeered aircraft with box cutters and expertly flown them into the Twin Towers, Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania after taking a couple of flying lessons — airport security was ramped up, nail clippers were banned and white-haired little old ladies were singled out for extra screening if their artificial hips set off the metal detector.

After Richard Reid (the shoe bomber) set his sneakers on fire after he was allowed on a plane that took off in Paris — despite raising red flags over his appearance, the fact that he had no luggage and failed to adequately answer the questions of French National Police interrogators — American travelers were forced to remove their shoes and open their carry-ons for inspection, and business travelers, men in wheel chairs and little old ladies were singled out for extra scrutiny that included, at times, a pat down.

After Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab set his own crotch on fire on a plane he boarded in Amsterdam — despite being on the U.S. State Department’s no-fly list and not having a passport, but with the assistance of an Indian secret operative with ties to the Israeli Mossad and U.S. Central Intelligence Agency — American passengers were denied the ability to take liquids on planes and children, the handicapped and infirm were singled out and humiliated with increasingly intrusive searches.

Conveniently, former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff’s new company just happened to be selling naked body scanners at the time, and the U.S. government snapped some of them up and began deploying them in U.S. airports. We were assured the dose of radiation received was harmless and that certainly they wouldn’t save the nude photographs that had TSA watchers all atwitter. We’ve since learned the radiation is harmful and the images can indeed be both saved and transmitted via the Internet.

After another false flag terror operation involving printer cartridges on a passenger-less cargo plane that departed from Yemen — in which investigators first said no explosives were found and then, a day after President Barack Obama announced there were indeed explosives, investigators changed their minds and began finding explosives everywhere they looked — the TSA announced it was buying $300 million more of the radiating naked body scanners and were henceforth going to treat all American travelers as common criminals, grab their private parts (children included) and squeeze the breasts of women and young girls. Refuse the groping and open yourself up to TSA investigation, as John Tyner has learned.

Meanwhile, we get reports that TSA agents are having fun at the public’s expense. One agent was fired for planting a bag of white powder in passengers’ bags and telling them he found drugs. Others pulled down a woman’s blouse, exposing her breasts, and laughed at her embarrassment. Agents forced a woman with a pacemaker to go through the scanners, despite the woman’s protests. Agents have made crippled, wheelchair-bound children get out of the chair and drag themselves through metal detectors. One agent made a mother drink the breast milk she had reserved for her baby. Another woman was removed from line and made to throw away her child’s sippy cup. One agent was recently recorded telling a passenger he gave up his rights when he bought an airline ticket. The stories of TSA stupidity go on and on.

Finally, finally the traveling public has had enough. They’re revolting, despite the mainstream media’s attempts at soothing the growing furor and downplaying the totalitarianism that has grown out of the TSA. Even R. Emmett Tyrrell, the founder of The American Spectator, has — disappointingly — joined in the chorus of those in government and the mainstream media who blame the Drudge Report for stoking a fire that, they believe, should not be stoked.

The fascists in charge of “airport security” — Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and TSA head John Pistole — are digging in despite the growing revolt by everyday Americans who value their health (they don’t want another dose of radiation) and their privacy (they don’t want photos of their naked bodies ogled by a bunch of TSA perverts in the airport or a bunch of panting juveniles on the Internet, and they don’t want to be touched in places reserved for lovers and doctors). Americans certainly don’t want their children subjected to such nonsense.

In a sign of government elitist hubris and arrogance, Napolitano this week went so far as to say that if Americans won’t submit to the TSA procedures they can find another way to travel. Now the fascists are deciding how you should travel.

Thankfully there are people who are willing to resist. A National Opt-Out Day is set for Nov. 24. Travelers are encouraged to opt out of the naked body scanners, forcing time-consuming enhanced pat downs. The goal is to shut down the system. Others are filing lawsuits over TSA abuses.

Some in government have gotten the message and taken up the cause. Representative Ron Paul (R-Texas), the only statesman still in Congress today, has introduce a bill that establishes that airport security screeners are not immune from any law regarding physical contact with another person, making images of another person or causing physical harm through the use of radiation-emitting machinery on another person.

Representative Ted Poe (R-Texas) said from the floor of the House that the scanners violate the 4th Amendment. Representative John Mica (R-Fla.) recently reminded airports they aren’t required to keep the TSA in charge of their screening and can employ a private company instead. The Orlando Sanford International Airport says that’s what it’s going to do.

The district attorneys of several states are now saying they’re going to investigate any complaints they get about TSA misbehavior.

Yesterday’s Munich terror scare will no doubt give the fascists more ammunition to try and increase their grip over airport security. If that doesn’t work, we’ve seen they’re not afraid to have covert operatives send another weak-minded but ineffective patsy onto a plane to try something to give the totalitarian TSA another reason to strip Americans of their rights and dignity.

This resistance has momentum, and travelers can’t waiver now. If they do, all hope is lost.

Editor’s note: If you have a story of TSA abuse you’d like to share or have recorded an audio or video of TSA agents in action, you can send them to freedomwatch@personalliberty.com. We will relay these to our readers and guarantee your anonymity. And if you participate in National Opt-Out Day, be sure you record your experience and send it to us. –Bob

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Rich

    The amazing part about this whole thing and the part most Americans don’t get. All of these clowns who supposedly tried to blow themselves up originated over seas. So why the desperate urgency to scan and grope everybody here. Two words only – power and money – power over the people to treat them like dogs and money to the gestapo owners of the scanner busineses – look deep enough and you’ll find a mony trail

    This may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back

    • Andrea B

      The money trail has already been located, and leads directly to the former head of homeland security. It’s in the article. :-)

      • Sharon

        I believe the same.

    • Vicki

      No attempt to hide the trail at all. It’s right there in plain view.

    • SiliconDoc

      Yes, and from Drudge, there was the now gaining mainstream credibility sensationalist Alex Jones(prison planet, infowars) linked, several times, but for this with a few videos, one of a man (metal knee) forced to drop drawers to ankles in front of a crowd. After protesting taking off his belt and being yelled at to do so, and further complaint with drawers down, he was surrounded by the mad government mob, and noted in the video the supervisor (a woman) was yelling ” I have power ! I have power!” as he beat his chest with both hands indicating either her actions or a fair representation.
      I was frankly floored.
      The TSA supervisor, when confronted with the ridiculous horror under her watch, starts yelling ” I have power! I have power! ”
      Now, that to me appears to be insanity – but it illustrates what a mess our public is in – not only from the point of opression, but from the point of the mental state of citizens in positions of responsibility.
      Sounds almost like a cultural cliche ingrained in the TSA supervisors brain, with the strange (to me) vocal reaction.
      It’s too bad, people are “mere cattle” now with this insane charade of depraved foolishness at the airports, and as pointed out, with every new terror alert, comes more reactionary cuckooville by the government and TSA.
      I saw the insanity after the Columbine shootings – when overblown and frankly nutso panic spread with the NEA, the feds, and whomever else was involved to every public school in the USA.
      The MSM pushes all these types of national “reactions”, the public, apparently plenty gullible falls for them all – and the Congresscritters without any greater sense so it seems, grandstands on the floor and swells legislation in reaction too.
      I don’t doubt some nefarious insider playings by intelligence agencies or even stray parts of any of them, but it certainly also seems it’s hardly necessary – same thing works for everything else in the media doused public mindset.
      As far as Chertoff and his company, no doubt the overlords have him in place as ” A Homeland Security measure” – certainly their plausible denial excuse – or worse yet, they could care less and already conclude it’s perfectly normal.
      Whatever the exact truths, or combination thereof, the situation is is a dire sad circus.
      I keep waiting for the stories of the government thugs getting popped – not sure why I don’t see them other than likely suppression.
      One lady actually died after TSA beats her and chained her up in a room. They unconvincingly explained it away…
      Seems to me when Alex Jones, whose old clips were quite impressive,
      (fingerprint scanner DMV /Texas , and DEA head McCafferty’s wife on cocaine laden plane stopped in upstate NY while he served the position)
      has gained as much credibility as anyone could desire on a current issue even after his interim sensationalism, indicates we are all in very deep trouble.

    • Dan az

      Rich
      Everyone seems to be wondering why Muslim terrorists are so quick to
      > commit suicide. Lets have a look at the evidence: ??- No Christmas?-
      > No television?- No nude women?- No football?- No pork chops?- No
      > hotdogs?- No burgers?- No beer?- No bacon?- Rags for clothes?- Towels
      > for hats?- Constant wailing from some idiot in a tower?- More than one
      > wife?- More than one mother in law?- You can’t shave?- Your wife can’t
      > shave?- You can’t wash off the smell of donkey?- You wipe your arse
      > with your hand?- You cook over burning camel shit?- Your wife is
      > picked by someone else?- Your wife smells worse than your donkey ??
      > Then they tell you that “when you die, it all gets better”?? No shit
      > Sherlock!…. ?….It’s not like it could get much worse!

      • Al Sieber

        Dan, I hope you have enough fire wood cut because the storm that’s gonna to hit you tomorrow is gonna hit me in about 5 hrs. from now, you might get snowed in buddy.

        • Al Sieber

          Dan, good job in Williams keeping the protesters away from the soldiers funeral.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Dan az,
        My wife and I are still belly laughing over this!!!! Good one!!
        BTW as per Als weather post. Tomorrow here, it is supposed to be 65. That’s here in OHIO!!! Today I raked and mulched leaves and was sweating!! I DO have plenty of wood BTW!!! About four cords. I have been burning hard wood for the last 20 years and I still haven’t paid for a stick of it!! Keep up the good work on the funnies, friend!!

    • Agent Orange

      Mohammed Atta didn’t “originate overseas” — he boarded the plane at BOSTON LOGAN AIRPORT with his set of box cutters and flew it into the Twin Towers! Get your facts straight, will ya?

      • JC

        Or so you’ve been lead to believe…
        It’s all Bull.

  • TIME

    And I am sure that this is only the first steps in what will be found to be the end GAME run.
    Just how bloody Strange is that how this all works? Not strange at all when you just stop and think about it.

    Make a problem, create a solution. Thats called Political Black Magic.

    Its a cycle that has not stopped now for well over 100 years lets see, Americans don’t want to go to war in WW I, So Woody gets elected on the platform of keeping us out of the war. Then he sends a ship straight into the jaws of death, WOW then we are at war.

    Then along comes WW II FDR can’t get the American people to go for it no matter what he does, so he knows that that Japanese are going to bomb Pearl Harbor. Bam Pow and WOW what happens we are in WW II.

    Then along comes Nam, Kennedy says its only a police action and sends only a few of our best SF, many of them are killed. Bam Wam and double WOWIE, off we go to Nam.

    Step up GWB who by the way knows what time the planes are going to take off and Bam WAM KaPowie Maui MWOIE we are at war and the Great idea of enslaving the US Population by doing something for their own good, by just dropping all pretence of freedoms we get the “Paririot Act,” sounds soooo good righ? Wrong!

    Well sounds good and being good are too totaly differant pigs in a blanket.

    Now we have the outright truths staring us in the face as NWO RocketOfellow stated he really wants to “BAN” all views that are not within the Parameters of the NWO views.
    Hey how about a nice bridge I can get one for cheep, wanta buy it?

    PLEASE PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Contact your state REPS and tell them NO MORE.

    “”Please also don’t resort to violience.””
    {{Please act like Gentle persons.}} But say No More!

    Take back your country from the NWO people who by the way are going to now drop the masks, just like RocketOfellow just did.
    Watch both hands and never take your eyes off their eyes.

    • meteorlady

      Yep – never waste a good crisis….. the government’s new motto.

      • Sharon

        Job security. If a terrorist attack does not exist. They will create one.

      • JC

        There’s one guy in government that disagrees…
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwsdq69AHnw

        • Kate8

          JC – Too bad he’s only one Congressman. I wonder if this bill will go anywhere. Especially since he’s, no doubt, speaking to an empty chamber, as usual.

          I don’t think the rest of Congress (at least the dumbocrats) pay much attention to Ron Paul.

          • JC

            No one on either side of the aisle, (save for a few) like RP. He advocates tipping their gravy boat over and for responsible government.
            They must absolutely despise him.

    • Bobby D

      ….and DON’T TAKE THE MARK!!!

      • TIME

        Bobby,
        Speaking about the mark, The local Jr League is having a fund raiser this weekend and they are giving away “FREE CHILD CHIPPING!”

        Now talk about the ignorat mass’s, this is all being done as an aid to keep your children safe.

        So PLEASE also be alert if you have children and or grandkids as we are about to see many kids disapear and or just be killed very soon, so this CHIPPING can start after they generate enough fear with the public.
        PEOPLE, I can’t say it enough Watch both hands now more than ever!!!!!!

        The TSA thing is only one step in a mass of steps. Please wake up as many as you can before its too late.

        • Kate8

          TIME

        • Kate8

          TIME – This chipping thing is insidious. They are sliding it in through the trap-door.

          Firt it’s voluntary. Then we are required to ‘volunteer’. Then it’s forced, and children are automatically chipped at birth.

          Many missing children have already been victims of government, and continue to be. Taken for experimentation or even just for the amusement of elite pedophiles.

          The elites consider us their property, anyway. They think they have the right to do what they want with us. Chipping us has been their dream for a long time. Then they will have absolute control over every aspect of our being, including the mind.

          Never, never, never get chipped. Do not chip your children. No matter what the penalty.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Time,
          I won’t even chip my dog!!!

    • Ron

      You will never get the American people to wake up until we get them educated. We cannot get them educated until we straighten out the Government Education Department and stop molly-coddling the brats that are being sent to school because their parents or parent just wants to get them out of the house and out of the way. Parents who do not support the school or help with homework or encourage their kids to learn. Until we get this mess cleared up America will continue to spiral downhill and out of control.

      • Sharon

        I think it is a combination of the parent(s), instructor, and education system. I was amazed that so many Americans do not understand our constitutional and the rights that it provides us.

        It is currently my belief that our 4th Ammendment rights are being trampled and if this is allowed by the people of the U.S., our 2nd Ammendment rights will be next.

        • Agent Orange

          We should get rid of the 4th amendment altogether because it puts ALL OUR LIVES in danger by giving terrorists freedom to operate without surveillance!

          • Robert Smith

            Agent Orange,

            Do you really want to get rid of this part of the United States Constitution?

            “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Agent orange,
            Don’t worry, everyone here with half a brain knew you meant the 14th ammendment!!! Course if you gave Bobby half a brain, then he’d have a quarter brain!!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Joe H….

            What part don’t you like?

            Let’s begin with Section 1.

            “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

            What part of that don’t you like? Please be specific.

            Or

            Show us just how unwilling you are go really get into issues.

            Your choice.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bobby boy,
            the part I don’t like is the fact that that ammendment was written for the offspring of the slaves after the civil war and they are trying to use it to an end that it was not meant for!!! The whole thing should have been recinded when the last slave came of the age that he or she could not have any more offspring!! It was not intended to pertain to every dam kid that some illegal drops as soon as she crosses the border in the middle of the night!! At the very least it should only pertain to those that came here LEGALLY!!!

    • Kate8

      TIME – You are absolutely right.

      This is all set up to provoke outrage, the objective to provoke revolution. It’s all just toooooo coincidental, toooooo convenient.

      Further, they are trying to humiliate and dehumanize us, as if we are nothing more than livestock. This is always done when war and mayhem is desired against anyone. It makes it easier to torment and kill the targeted people if they are not thought of as ‘human’.

      Information is our best tool. The more people are aware of these time-tested tactics, the more chance they will not fall into the trap. There will always be those who’ve become so emotionally invested in their ideologies that they can’t see their way through it, but people are also waking up in large numbers.

      Please, you gung-ho warriors, don’t be so ready to play into their hands. It’s just what they want you to do. Instead, study their game plan, know their moves and deceptions, and beat them with their own game. Level heads will prevail!

      • TIME

        Kate,
        Dead on, everyone should read Sun Tuz – the Art of War,
        Understand the game than when you forced to play, at least you have a fighting chance.
        This book is studied in every known country’s military schools, why do you all think that is?

        On a differant note, I have toyed with the idea of taking a flight and stripping off all my cloths, yes all the way down to “ZERO” as in nothing nude – right there in line just to mock this BS.
        The only thing is when it’s 79* out I am cold to the bone so this would have to wait until the summer for me, otherwise I would do it just to blow a fuze or two.

        • Kate8

          TIME – It’s warm in the terminals, and you’d get on TV! LOL.

          Bear in mind that none of this is anymore about security than Odumbocare is about health. If they were really serious about security they’d PROFILE, not just racially, but scientifically observing actions and demeanor. Israel has it down to a science, and I hardly believe our government is more backward than Israel. They know EXACTLY what they are doing.

          This is harrassment, pure and simple. More pokes at the American people.

          • Sharon

            I heard his name today as Obamageddon. I thought it sums up what he is trying to do to the U.S. We must remember that he was put in place by the Rothschild family of Bankers that own the federal reserves and banks.

            Many sites show that Obama is the 1st Jewish president; however this is untrue.
            Other Jewish Presidents and Vice Presidents:
            Woodrow Wilson
            Theodore Roosevelt
            Franklin D Roosevelt
            Nelson Rockefeller
            Harry Solomon Truman

            Abraham Lincoln was half Jewish and a member of the Rothchild family by blood. His father was A. A. Spring (real name Springstein). The Zionist Occupation govt. was brought into America under Lincolns rule. He was conceived in Lincolnton.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Time,
          My friend just remember what the cold can do to the body!!! You could be real embarrassed as well!!!
          On a serious note, on that chipping, I’m just real happy all my kids are adults!!! They’d start bothering me too much about that sort of thing, I’d show them the door… Head first!!!

        • Al Sieber

          TIME, try it out here in AZ. in the summer, 110*+, but you’ll have to wear shoes.

      • FirinPin48

        Kate8,
        You got it right on,keep your head,thats something people should remember.

  • MR AND MRS PACHYDERM

    tsa is total bullsheet they made me get out of my wheel chair and take my leg brace off the last time i flew and the last time i will ever fly if some one ever grabbed my balls in anairport i would break their collective noses grabbing my balls is assault the tsa turds probley don’t even hold geds they all sound stupid and retarded do they recruit pedophils if one touched my daughters privates i would have to hurt them resist it is for the moment still america

    • JC

      How completely sickening. Seems the goal is to humiliate Americans and train them away from being “American”. I say this because there is NO WAY these Gestapo Creeps can keep us safe.
      They’re collecting information on us as we travel, spend and work.
      Creating “dossiers” on us…just like East Germany. Maybe, just for fun we should all start addressing the folks at TSA as
      “Kamrade Pervert”.

      • http://www.chinadroll.com Cecilie

        Learn from the Israelis, who have no problem with airborne terrorists. They PROFILE. Profile, profile, profile. Why is that so difficult? Oh yeah, because if you single out potential terrorists, they will accuse you of racism. Being called a racist is worse than having a plane blown up by ” people of middle-eastern appearance”. What’s the world coming to?

        • http://none sean moor

          speaking of Israel. check out this web site called, Ifamericansknew.org. and you will see whats going on with presious Israel

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Sean,
            don’t have to. I watched the retired head of their security yesterday on Beck then later on Fox news! Both let him say what he wanted and didn’t lead him a bit!! The only problem I see with the TSA doing this is they might have to hire a few people with an IQ higher than 30!!!

        • Kate8

          Cecile – It’s all a game to them, and the joke’s on us. They aren’t really worried about racism/profiling. They just do all they can to keep us off-balance with stuff that makes no sense, causing us to lose all confidence in our government.

          This is a carefully crafted strategy, a war on America, on we the people. Those in government may seem like idiots, but they are snakes in the grass. Crazy like foxes. And totally without conscience.

        • meteorlady

          Racial profiling is an excuse. It does exist. When I worked at Immigration the customs and immigration agents profiled people crossing the borders. They had excellent success in apprehending criminals and smugglers.

          • Kate8

            meteorlady – Of course they profile. We are always fed such a line of cr*p from the government. They are dedicated to keeping us confused, despirited and outraged.

            I think this charade is all for effect. They would love nothing more than another incident, another opportunity for them to act. They are just having fun yanking our chains while they wait.

    • Ron

      While this gentleman is concerned about flying, he validates my point about education or lack of education. Does anyone see it? His ability to express himself in correct, concise and well spelled English is sorely lacking. He means well, but cannot express it well.

  • http://http/aol.com john littlefield

    this is getting out of hand if they reach into my pants i would say had enough pervert.

  • THIRD PARTY

    False flag terror has been performed for decades,gulf of tonkin,the cole,9-11,all false flag attacks.

    • JC

      Heck! That goes all the way back to Fort Sumpter.

    • Agent Orange

      How much is Al-Qaida paying you to spread their propaganda, you terrorist —–!?

      • JC

        WTF? You’re not only vulgar, but completely out to lunch.
        How did you possibly connect THOSE dots? Wow!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          JC,
          This is getting to be a habit with him and axel!!! Adding one and one and getting fifty!!

  • Wanda Murline

    I have said this from the start…this is a test run on Americans to see just how many of their liberties and freedomes they are willing to give up if you scare them with some story of keeping them safe. George Bush kept us safe for over 10 years, and never did he ask that you be subjected to illegal searches and seizures. Of course, if Bush had done this, the left nutted non-news medias would have crucified him…but since Obama has done this, then it is just wonderful. Sue everyone of the a**holes that make you subject of an illegal search and seizure…this is still America and I believe that it requires probable cause to detain someone, and it takes a warrant to handcuff someone to a chair before groping them … oops, sorry, search and pat them down…invade their “junk”.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Wanda! You posted: “George Bush kept us safe for over 10 years, and never did he ask that you be subjected to illegal searches and seizures.”

      Really? Didn’t 911 happen on his watch? Isn’t Churtof his guy? Didn’t Bush set up that crappy “Homeland Defense” that screwed up FEMA?

      BTW, I agree that “security” as presented by Homeland Defense is the ultimate pork barrel for those who want to grab our tax $$$$$$$$$$$$. They have literally grabbed us by the short hairs.

      Rob

      • Corinne

        You nailed this one!

        • libertytrain

          Gee didn’t the first terrorist bombings of the Towers take place in 1993 during Clinton’s watch. And what? … he did – zippo? Allowing for a plan to be recreated with more oomph – Nicely done Bill Clinton – thanks.

          • Robert Smith

            Hi libertytrain (who seems anxious to run Bill Clinton down with another lie),

            A LOT was done during the Clinton administration to get the bad guys who made the first try. Let’s take a look at the reality: “In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing: Abouhalima, Ajaj, Ayyad and Salameh. The charges included conspiracy, explosive destruction of property and interstate transportation of explosives. In November 1997, two more were convicted: Yousef, the mastermind behind the bombings, and Eyad Ismoil, who drove the truck carrying the bomb.”

            That’s from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

            Why are so many lies brought up about Clinton.

            BTW, the ONLY person to lose his job over 911 was Bill Maher. MOF Bush hired a bunch of folks, among them Chartoff “good job Browny” as FEMA was gutted.

            Rob

          • libertytrain

            Hmmm. The only endless lies were the ones Clinton told.

          • Robert Smith

            ROFL…

            Too bad you are so easily confused by the truth.

            BTW, how many convictions did Bush get under his watch?

            Did Bush catch Binladen? Shucks he sent his family back to Syiria. Maybe he was gonna have them followed back to the bad guy. Nawwww they went back home to count our money.

            Rob

          • Vicki

            Its rather pointless to convict the dead Robert.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Hey bobby boy,
            Clinton had Binladen handed to him on a silver platter and refused him!
            Here’s a lie for you “AH Gave THEM A BALANCED BUDGET!!!”
            Here’sanother,”AH WAS NEVER ALOE WITH THAT WOMAN!!”
            One more, WULL, WE THOUGHT THE WHITE HOUSE SILVER BELONGED TO US!”

          • Palin12

            Joe H.
            Don’t forget “Ah tried marijuana when Ah was in college but Ah did not inhale.”

          • meteorlady

            I believe Clinton was told a number of times by various intelligence agencies that bin Laden was a threat. He didn’t do anything either.

      • meteorlady

        Hey Robert – didn’t Clinton have a lot – I mean alot – of security indicating that we should get bin Laden? Wasn’t couple of our embassies bombed on his watch. Didn’t he just get mad about the first bombing of the trade center and didn’t he just rant about the USS Cole? Guess he was too busy funning around in the oval office to be concerned.

        • gunny

          BIN LADEN HAS BEEN IN THE SIGHTS OF MANY SNIPERS A WERE TOLD NOT TO SHOOT ,,,WITH OUT BIN LADEN WE WOULD HAD NO MORE JEHAD AND THE MUSLIMS WULD BACK OFF THATS WHERE THE MONEY TRAIL GOES

          • Robert Smith

            Gunny, terrorists are like drug lords. There is always another one. It’s entierly nieve to believe that killing just on diaperhead will solve anything.

            Rob

          • alpha-lemming

            Very true… However, logic dictates that charismatic billionaires, to bankroll the thing, have to be in extremely short supply.

          • Vicki

            You want to keep them (Islamic Terrorists) at bay? Use their religion against them.

          • Robert Smith

            All we need to do is speak their language louder than they do. They choose to use terrorism and violence. We should do exactly the same.

            When we are attacked we prove who the perp was and turn their village into a parking lot. That way the relatives don’t get to spend the reward offered for being a suicide bomber.

            Rob

          • vicki

            Robert Smith (Now identified by profiling as an agent provocateur) writes:
            “All we need to do is speak their language louder than they do. They choose to use terrorism and violence. We should do exactly the same.”

            The beauty of my solution is that we do not have to violate the commandment “thou shalt not kill (murder)” nor do we have any collateral damage. But you have a nice fantasy there Robert.

          • Agent Orange

            Hey Vicki, “thou shalt not kill” applies to killing HUMANS, not SUBHUMAN TERRORIST CRITTERS LIKE THE TALIBAN AND AL-QAIDA!

          • JC

            Fishing AO ?

        • Robert Smith

          meteorlady asks: “didn’t Clinton have a lot – I mean alot – of security indicating that we should get bin Laden?”

          Yup, but it’s a funny thing here in America… One has to commit a crime before arrest.

          “Wasn’t couple of our embassies bombed on his watch.”

          Yup. All abroad where we have to comply with rules. Remember them?

          BTW, Clinton’s staff passed all the information on to the Bush administration where it was IGNORED.

          “Didn’t he just get mad about the first bombing of the trade center and didn’t he just rant about the USS Cole?”

          Nope, they caught and jailed a bunch of ‘em: ” In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing: Abouhalima, Ajaj, Ayyad and Salameh. The charges included conspiracy, explosive destruction of property and interstate transportation of explosives. In November 1997, two more were convicted: Yousef, the mastermind behind the bombings, and Eyad Ismoil, who drove the truck carrying the bomb.”

          Thanks for another demonstration of ignorance from the extreme reich.

          “Guess he was too busy funning around in the oval office to be concerned.”

          Yup, I hear he was eating pizza, on the phone, and he had his pants down. I’ve always believed that we should have gotten Bush a hooker to distract him from doing more harm to the country because wasn’t much of a multitasker. Actually he wasn’t much of a unitasker either.

          Rob

          • Vicki

            Robert Smith writes
            “Yup, but it’s a funny thing here in America… One has to commit a crime before arrest.”

            Tell that to the victims of the TSA.

          • Robert Smith

            HEY!!!!!!

            TSA, quit fondling us and our children you perverts.

            And, quit expsing us to your radiation.

            There, that should do it.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bobby states “yup but here in America you have to commit a crime before arrest.”
            Right, but There have been a whole lot of other presidents, both parties, that have ordered the capture of criminals in foreign countries. Also you are so full of it, as there are many arrests each day of people that have not committed a single crime!! It’s called suspicion!! Then there are people like the guy the other day in Illinois that was arrested for transporting weapons from his parents house where he had resided to his new apartment even though Illinois has a law that allows the safe transportation from one residence to a new one! He was convicted and now faces fifteen years in jail! Even though he had a law that protected the actions he took, the judge wouldn’t let the jury be informed of it!! So don’t tell me your fairy tales!!

          • Robert Smith

            Well? Got a name or anything, or is it just another made up story?

            BTW, if it is true it’s just another reason to demonstrtae that gun laws should be issued much like a driver’s liscense is issued. Issued in one place, good everywhere. Cars are a bunch more deadly than guns. We need criminal control, not gun control.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bobby boy,
            his name is Brian Aitkin!!

          • Vicki
      • Duane

        I think that if we sent a bunch of women in there with nothing more then their bathing suits on, everyone could get on a plane without any trouble. Personally, I think all of those people, men and women alike, are nothing more then queers and enjoy doing what comes naturally to them. They are just a bunch of sick people doing this kind of work because they can’t get jobs at all. If I were to fly some where, I’d give them fair warning, touch me,which is a felony, and I’ll beat the hell out of you.

    • Sharon

      The only person that has more jews in government than Bush is Obamageddon.

      George W. Bush lied us into two evil wars of aggression for the benefit of Israel and the Jewish war profiteers on Wall Street and the banks.

      Both are socialist that lick the feet of the talmudic jew.

      • Agent Orange

        (offensive comment removed)

        • JC

          This guy needs to be banned from this site. He’s an abusive lunatic.

          • Al Sieber

            JC, just ignore this idiot.

  • pennsyltuckian

    After over 30 years as a traveling consultant I have decided that there is nowhere I want to go that I can’t drive or take the train. The airlines have consistently added stupid policies like charging for checked luggage and allowing idiots to carry on anything and make boarding a nightmare and have made the poor service expected from the postal service look good. TSA just adds insult to injury. Barring major changes in the TSA and airlines quality in general I will no longer accept assignments I can’t drive to or take the train. When the TSA starts checking train passengers, then it will be drive only.

    • kwullen

      They are already making mobile units to use in train and bus stations.
      Look next for random pull-overs or new weight stations where random individuals will be forced to go through them to cross state lines on highways.
      I hope everyone has lots of dry powder……….

      • Bobby D

        Your papers please!!!

        • Robert Smith

          When I’m at the grocery store and the clerk asks for my discount card I often say, “Yes, I haven zee papers.”

          Why don’t they just offer lower prices?

          Rob

          • Robert Smith

            I’ll answer my own answer because nobody seems to have picked up on the answer…

            The discount cards allow the stores to gather information about us so they can target their marketing either to me personally, to specific zip codes, or even to individual blocks.

            Just another way to keep track of people.

            Ain’t free enterprise great. Anything for a buck.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Bobby, Bobby,
            You have nothing to worry about. They’d take one look at your info and say” crap! This guy isn’t worth gathering on”. and into the round file it would go!!! Unless they decided to send you a discount card to a good shrink!!!

  • MR AND MRS PACHYDERM

    i just love ot they feel paranoid about being held accountable or being done away with then they get a stouge to kake a pipe bomb and hide it in cargo to justify their job and pretend to have found it just in time nect if you pass gas you will be beaten up for bringing explosive material on board when in fact you eat airplane food you will be guily of bomb assembly

  • Jean

    It’s obvious to me that the whole TSA debacle is just another effort to dehumanize citizens. It’s a mild form of psychological terror, aimed at making people question their rights to their own bodies, and accept that “big brother” government knows best…THEY are the “big daddy” that will keep us safe. PLEASE come out of your stupor, fellow Americans. Keep God at the head of the country, and your life, and you won’t need the “all-seeing, all knowing” government to keep you safe. You’ll have your self-respect, and your freedom back! It’s all a ploy by the marxist shadow government of George Soros…yes, I watch Glenn Beck. Sorry to say, it’s the only program that shows our power-grabbing socialist (or worse) “leaders” for what they really are, in their own words! Guess who’s an investor in the naked scanner company? Who else…Soros, of course.

    • Sharon

      It is a different attack on Christians. The ACLU, jewish orgainzation also attacks Christian; but, in the courts.

  • http://aol Mike

    As a retired airline pilot, I am so glad I do not have to deal with this “US Govt. approved BS” any more. This also includes NEVER using my “free” travel benefits.

    Now the islamofascists are countering this pathetic charade, by surgically implanting explosives in their cadres of future martyrs. What next from TSA: full body cavity searches for every passenger?

    More disturbing, is that Americans are tacitly approving of the incremental erosion of their Constitutional rights by Govt. zealots.

    I cannot believe that all HSA and TSA administrators are morons. It is just their unimaginative over reaction that makes them appear so.

    • Agent Orange

      We should NUKE all the terrorist nations, then we won’t need those TSA bunglers anymore.

      • Robert Smith

        Remember: We WON the last nuclear war.

        Then our winning streak ended.

        We tied in Korea, we lost in Nam, and we’ve entered into the Orweallian state of forever war.

        Rob

        • S.C.Murf

          I spent 2 years in nam, with the screaming eagles, and we did not loose anything, so you can stick your opinion where the sun won’t shine

          up the hill
          airborne

        • http://?? Joe H.

          bobby,
          you rump rangin coward, how the hell do you figure we lost when we won EVERY major battle in the war and never truly lost any of the battles??? The cowardly press and the cowards like you at home were the ones that lost the war in Viet Nam!! Not Us!!

  • Diane

    Fantastic article! Regarding Rep. John Mica, I am ticked off to discover that he is apparently a traitor. Apparently Rep. John Mica’s “solution” — suggesting airports opt out of using TSA, and then hire “private” screeners instead — is NO DAMN SOLUTION AT ALL, because MICA wants these “non-TSA screeners” to “work [sic] under federal supervision.” As Becky Akers writes, “Oh, yeah, biiiiiig difference. Yo, John: let’s try outsourcing Congresscriminals next.” RON PAUL HAS THE ONLY SOLUTION: NO GOVERNMENT INVOLVED **AT ALL** IN SCREENING, ONLY THE AIRLINES! http://www.lewrockwell.com/akers/akers136.html

  • Deanna

    Seriously, we Americans need to ban together and do something about this horrendous invasion of our privacy. I used to enjoy flying – now I don’t even want to go NEAR an airport! From what I hear, the new searches aren’t very different than sexual assault. So what are our choices? Face a dose of radiation and provide the TSA with a nudie photo – or stand there passively while we get felt up? The government will just keep taking away more and more of our rights until we push back. It might come to boycotting air travel for them to get the message.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Deanna,
      They need a full flight of very openly gay guys to fly and when the TSA guys start touching them start making all types of remarks about their manhood and how much they enjoyed their attention!! See if they could get any more men to hire in!!!

      • Sharon

        That is a good reason to let them in the military, group them together, and put them on the front line.

  • home boy

    3 weeks ago , i had the honor ,in the savannah ga airport, of being patted down groped if you will, and it was not that bad. they did not touch my family jewels and were very courteous about it. what i did not like was that i was sitting there for over an hour and when i went to board the plane is when i was approach. that held the plane up for 15 minutes and when i boarded i was give the evil eye by a few passengers. what was very interesting in this process, which i later found out, was that the suit cases that were loaded prior to us boarding from the check in desk are not check , are not going thru any process to be check . are not opened and do not go thru a machine to see whats inside. so you could have put a bomb in it and noone would know. great job tsa.

    • Concerned American

      Well, that why we are called sheeple…. LOL, the sheeple are too stupid to realize its not your fault you just don’t want to get blasted with radiation or have your private parts on display… So much anger against you, for taking an hour and a half for the TSA to grope you, but no anger against the TSA for taking the hour and a half… alas, divide and conquer at work. You should have told all the flea-brains staring at you to be mad at the TSA, not you.

    • meteorlady

      Actually they do get checked randomly. TSA can open any suitcase they want and if you have it locked and their key will not fit, they will break the lock. Have had it done a couple of times and they don’t pay for the broken lock.

      Some airports do have scanners and dogs.

      • ValDM

        Thank you for mentioning dogs. I was wondering why we don’t use dogs instead of harmful radiation and being groped by a bunch of pervs. Dogs are highly skilled in sniffing out bombs and contraband. Anyone know why no dogs? Just curious.

        • stRanger

          They don’t use dogs because they work. Besides, nobody among the Privileged Elite can make millions from the sale of drug and bomb dogs.

          The Obama Regime WANTS to disrupt this country as much as possible and has loyal apparatchiks cruising the web selling the Leftist agenda. I see the glib Left excusers are here today too.

          November 2012. The reckoning continues. Have fun till then Lefties. But do the country a big favor, get your boot off the necks of your neighbors, you haven’t a clue who you really work.

          • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

            Nothin’ to do with Left or Right: both can be equally guilty of fascist tactics. Historically there was not much to choose from between Hitler on the ultra-right and East German on the communist left. Napolitano is Obama’s bulldog; Chertoff is one of Bush’s buddies.

            Bob Livingston has nailed it here: nowadays it’s much more a matter of government control and abuse vs. personal and societal freedom. Too many people (though not here!) are all too willing to give up their fundamental rights and liberties in the name of national security, the police state.

            Attacks on racial or religious minorities just play into that. Time to re-learn the lessons of Nazi Germany, people.

          • Robert Smith

            Remember the Stonewall riots were a series of spontaneous, violent demonstrations against a police raid that took place in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969, at the Stonewall Inn, in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of New York City. They are frequently cited as the first instance in American history when people in the homosexual community fought back against a government-sponsored system that persecuted sexual minorities, and they have become the defining event that marked the start of the gay rights movement in the United States and around the world.

            If you don’t know what that is check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

            Or, do folks around here only stick up for freedoms when they only impact themselves?

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Thanks bobby,
            You just explained a lot in that post!!!

          • Kim

            You hit it on the nailhead, no money to be made on dogs.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Kim,
            There are some hybrid plastiques that dogs can’t smell!!

  • Concerned American

    You can avoid all this by not flying…. for now. This is all comming to the streets though. Government documents point to using these full body scanners at malls, sporting arenas, etc. You are all guilty until proven innocent. It just cracks me up that we can’t fully body scan and grope muslims in arab dress at all but we can feel up 3 year olds. All of the terroists, except maybe like one anti-abortion christian terrorist are MUSLIM. All of them. Yet we can’t even treat the muslims the same as everyone else??

    If you absolutely must fly, tell them you are muslim. Wear a head scarf if you are women or whatever. Or you can try telling them you are bisexual…. Couldn’t any unneccsary groping of a bisexual be considered a hate crime thanks to the not much talked about hate crimes law the dems passed awhile back? How would they prove you weren’t bisexual? Send the police to inspect you sex life?

    • Agent Orange

      As Sarah said, the solution to having safe air travel is to “profile, profile, profile”. Hey, it works in Israel, so why not here?

  • bob

    if anyone touched my wife or children in the manner the tsa is doing im going to prison because id do whatever it takes to take their head off! no one will touch my family that way!

  • newspooner

    It is called communism.

  • http://ByGeorge By George

    Short Takes, by George :TSA, America’s New Gestapo

    I recently took a vacation trip to Canada. As I am no longer willing to submit to the TSA’s Gestapo Tactic’s that awaits passengers at Atlanta-Hartsfield, returning form international flights, I therefore elected to fly to Bangor, Maine, rent a car and drive on to Halifax, Nova Scotia, my intended overseas holiday destination. Like all other passengers departing from Atlanta, however I was herded through the TSA screening section, submitting to the minimal intrusions to which we have all become accustomed. Happily I was not singled out for special attention by being ordered, as a potential dangerous person, to pass through the TSA’s electronic gateway to Narnia. I would decline the honor in any event because I have been so radiated in the past few years for prostate cancer that any new attack on my system could trigger a reoccurrence. Neither am I reassured about the “safety” of this infernal machine when those reassurances fall from the lips of near illiterate, unqualified, out of shape bottom dwellers of government employees who have only recently learned to peel bananas with their hands.

    Once, while passing through the initial first step, that of showing my boarding pass and photo ID to the robot that demands it before entering the screening process, I displayed my US Naval Investigative Service, Naval Intelligence, Retired Special Agent Card and the moronic dolt who held it said “it has no expiration date!” My answer was, “of course not, I haven’t died yet! That’s when it expires!” Right then, at that very moment, I knew I was dealing with morons. They were quite happy to accept a drivers license no matter that those are easily counterfeited or often issued upon presentation of otherwise invalid and false ID. That retired NIS Card represents a full career of honorable service to the Government of the United States and to the US Navy. To even possess one represents qualifying for Security Clearances at levels so high that even President Obama (may peace be upon him) couldn’t achieve one. In fact he couldn’t even pass a basic BI for a Confidential Clearance.

    The TSA is a gigantic waste of taxpayer money. They have yet to show that they have stopped a potential terrorist yet they continue to pursue a policy of intimidation and irritation in the false belief they are actually doing something really useful. Everyone who passes through their gates and groping hands is an enemy. Their tactics are a reaction to yesterdays threat.

    Crossing into Canada, I was met by absolutely courteous Immigration and Customs officials. They efficiently did their job and within thirty minutes I was on my way. Returning into the United States, a US Customs officer was equally courteous and even welcomed me home. I must say here that US Customs and Immigration officers at Atlanta-Hartsfield make one’s homecoming a truly pleasant experience. Not so the TSA, whose hollering and ordering and demanding display a complete lack of social or people skills. Do you ever wonder why photography is forbidden in that area? It’s because any film would be an embarrassment to TSA displaying incompetence, ineptitude, and a herder mentality that only the Germans mastered eighty years ago.

    TSA is a massive bureaucracy of otherwise local unemployables who have been given an authority they have never had in their life. Too, I believe one of the main problems in proper screening by the TSA as a whole, is one of inability to take responsibility. That’s the same thought that requires 21 year old bar tenders to demand ID’s from old folks with white hair and canes, just to be politically correct. That irks me as well. Folks, we are losing our freedoms and if we don’t change it or stop it, we’re doomed. Remember, freedom is the goal, the Constitution is the way. Let’s abolish the TSA. They’re really unnecessary. (16 Nov 2010)

    • meteorlady

      I used to work at immigration and customs. They are trained to notice signs and they are most efficient at it. We need those types just watching the airports, not forcing people into more and more intrusive and stupid pat downs.

    • Warrior

      By George I think you’ve got it!

    • WARLORDX

      Your description of TSA employees certainly is in keeping with my estimate of them.
      I am becoming incensed by the stupid “..just don’t fly…” attitude constantly expressed here and other places. My wife and I fly between 2 and 6 times a week, 4 weeks a month, for business; there is no option. No one has mentioned the radiation load that we will be forced to endure. Although I routinely ‘opt out’, the TSA attitude is to make it as unpleasant, irritating, embarrassing, and slow as possible, ordering you about like a grade school bully.
      They create such an attitude of resistance, fantasies of their destruction come easily to mind.
      Terminate the TSA and Homeland Security NOW…The Head of TSA announced last night on television that TSA is so inefficient that inefficiency is the justification for the scanning machines… Your government at work????!!!

  • meteorlady

    I have to travel at Christmas and I fly usually once a month to see my Mother. I hate it now and will certainly not submit to a full body scan. They can throw me out of the airport first.

    I can’t imagine why we need full body scanners, have to take our shoes off, and almost undress now, when we have an entirely open southern border where terrorists are flooding in with the illegal Mexicans and South Americans. If the Mexican drug dealers can bring loads of drugs and guns across think what a couple of terrorist can bring in.

    We need to spend that money on securing our borders, not harassing United States citizens when they fly. None of the things mentioned in the article happened in the US at all so shy all the security at airports?

  • Jim the duped

    If ‘We the People” continue to allow TSA the physical attack on or our most sensitive personal body parts and being radiated at the same time then that will open the door for more federal freedom killing laws that are shoved down our throats, ultimately making us slaves to fascism.

    • Di

      But we do, Jim, it’s called chemo and radiation. One is not allowed to deny them to a sick child. Even though there are more effective therapies available.

      TSA is a private company. The airports can hire whomever they want for security. Why are they opting to employ terrorists?

      I will not fly. I took the train to a wedding on the west coast. I had a room/bath to myself,had fresh towels,blankets and sheets, I had gourmet meals with white tablecloths,was able to stretch out for a nap, actually was able to see the scenery. All I had to do was leave a few days early, well worth the time. Lovely.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Di,
        My wife has to fly to France and England about twice a year on business for her company she works for. I’d really like to see the train or car you can take to get there!! leisure trips, of course you can get away with not flying, but go on business, especially if you don’t own the company, and you don’t have that option!!!

  • http://msn Kerri

    If American’s allow themselves to be viotated by TSA or any other person or agency, then they deserve to have their freedoms taken from them. If you are going to fly and you don’t stand up for your constitional rights and refuse body scans and pat downs then you are enableing the gov. to take away your rights.
    Refuse to be a porn star and refuse to be sexually asulted. Period.

    • Bleh

      If you refuse both you can not fly. How then will people who need to fly, for business, do so?
      I personally do not need to fly and anywhere I want to go I can Drive, take the bus or train. So that is what I will do, however some people do not have this option.
      I do not know what the exact solution is but this is not it.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Bleh,
        One solution just came to mind. Say you want to fly to europe. Get your passport, drive to Canada and fly from there. Return to Canada and drive home from there. not only would you not have to go through all the x-rays and sexual impositions, it might start to hurt our airports to the point that they would start to complain!!! You could even do this flying to, say, Hawaii, Bahamas, Virgin Isles, almost anywhere. Strike Hawaii as it would only get you out of ot one way!!

        • Bleh

          Excellent Idea.

  • meteorlady

    I flew not long ago and I make jewelry as a hobby. I had my tools in my bag that I sent through the TSA machines. I figured they would make me take them out – there were needle nose pliers, cutting pliers, crimpers, etc. Meanwhile I got berated for not having my liquid is the required quart bag and one bottle was on ounce too much so they tossed that one. I really though they would take my tools away too, but the TSA guy wanted to know how to bend and work with wire….. made me wonder how effective they are.

  • Jim the duped

    The shoe bomber and underwear bombers were just US government plants to initiate and validate the body scan fiasco that violates every search and seizure laws on the books. The enemy inside is much greater then the enemy outside and we must understand that fact in order to realize of what is taking place around us. The banksters created the real estate bubble and received billions of dollars bail out money as reward for their criminal activities, in fact so much money that they returned billions of it.

    • Diane

      “Jim the duped,” you are SO correct. Unfortunately, people have been too brainwashed to realize who the REAL enemies are!

    • Diane

      The Sad Truth To Why Most People May Not Wake Up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrXrE8AmIc

    • Di

      I agree, follow the money!!

      The underwear bomber didn’t have a passport yet was allowed on the flight.And he was on the no-fly list!Can we blame Amsterdam?

      The alleged bomber of Times Square also didn’t succeed. The shoe bomber didn’t succeed. But the cave dwellers from Asia succeeded? How many cave dwellers have the money to fly or buy SUV’s? The treachery is from within, folks.

      Who benefits?

      • thinking

        This is sad to say but our government gives money to the terrorist so they have plenty of money. Just look at how much money is sent to pakistan and afganistan and other counties that harbor terrorist.

        But beware of grandma, she may have a bomb in her bra! Just claim to be a muslim and say that nude body scan and touching of body parts is against your religon. Wear a towel on your head and walk on throught.

        • Sharon

          You forgot the Israeli, a very dangerous terrorist.

          • JC

            Egypt gets the same amount of support as Israel. It was part of the Camp David Accord. How do ya like them apples Mr. and Mrs. American taxpayer?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      jim,
      While I do think that the TSA debacle is a violation of our rights, if the underwear was a willing participant in a plot by our government, he sure paid for it!!! how would you like your testicles cooked??? Or your Pe.ker???

      • Robert Smith

        He should get a Darwin award for removing himself from the gene pool.

        Rob

  • allison

    Not profiling is stupid. Put a Bible and a piece of pork next to the line of people going onto the plane. Have each person place their hands on these two items as they go through. Pat down AND scan all who refuse. The Muslims can touch neither a Bible or a piece of pork.
    It was not children or grandmothers who flew into the Twin Towers. It was young Arab males.Profile. No doubt the ACLU would want to represent the non-Americans that protested, but the ACLU has it’s own agenda.

    • Robert Smith

      NO NO NO NO allison, NO

      I’m an American, a vet, and a taxpayer.

      I will not put my hand on another’s religious book simply to satisfy some government requirement. There will be NO state religion. It’s that simple.

      The pork I will eat.

      Rob

      • George Halepis

        I’m an atheist but would have no problem putting my hand on any religious book. It would hardly be an act of establishing a state religion, especially if administered by a private security company. Perhaps you object to profiling on political correctness grounds?

        • Robert Smith

          Hi George,

          You guess: “Perhaps you object to profiling on political correctness grounds?”

          Actually I’m in favor of profiling. When most of the 911 b@st@rds were from Syiria I’d profile everyone of them and find out where their villages are and return the favor.

          Rob

      • S.C.Murf

        This nation was founded on the principles of God. Our fore fathers were moral, God fearing men. The Lord’s prayer was recited before every government meeting. It’s evil people like you that want to destroy this country. Go to Cuba please.

        • Robert Smith

          S.C.Murf says: “This nation was founded on the principles of God.”

          Really?

          Please show me any quotes from your christian babble in our Constitution.

          It is THE PEOPLE that our Founding Fathers respected.

          THAT is how our Constitution begins, “We the PEOPLE…”

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bobby,
            State the whole passage!!!!!

          • Robert Smith

            We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bobby,
            Let’s go right to the original founding document, the Declaration of Independence. The word Creator is mentioned in it, the words “Supreme Judge of the World” Are also mentioned. If those words don’t effect the belief in God then you ARE brain dead!!!

          • S.C.Murf

            R.S. or is it BS. You are lost and your heart is hardened. I believe you to be a practicing Homosexual, correct?. Jesus said that to be different is how God made you, but the sexual practice of homosexuals is an abomination in the eye,s of God.

      • S.C.Murf

        And also the pork is an unclean animal of which we are not supposed to eat. But you go ahead and keep making your choice day after day and Jesus will have his log updated.

        • Robert Smith

          Murf says: “And also the pork is an unclean animal of which we are not supposed to eat.”

          Then why did your god make pigs out of meat?

          BTW, I don’t pay any attention to your god. It’s his followers I worry about, but I’ll bet you could guess that.

          Rob

  • allison

    Thus far no one has ever blown up an Israeli plane. Yet they are in a Country surrounded by Muslims. Instead of wasting money on machines that will not find plastic bags of liquid taped to the body, why wasn’t the Israeli example followed!!! BECAUSE talking to the persons boarding a plane and having a dog there will not fill someone’s pockets full of money. Michael Chertoff-former head of the Homeland Security recommended these machines. They are produced by the Company where Chertoff went to work right after he recommended the machines and resigned from Homeland Security.

  • Bob

    TSA built the Maginot Line and it is guaranteed that it won’t work cuz al qeeida and the others don’t fight the last wars. It’s bull, a false sense of security for show that wastes 5 billion a year….

  • ONTIME

    Time to connect the dots, most of this is to use the publics trust and fear to line the pockets of elite investors, if you lok at the circumstances of the X-ray machines and the compare it to the restructuring of GM, it’s all about giving tax monies to supporters and elite investors and has litle or nothing to do with safety or industry. Forcing the public and legal investors into scenarios whereby they are treated like cattle in a airlines terminal or swindled out of their investment earnings in a GM government take over, it’s about control and telling you what is best for you and making your rights moot and ineffective..it’s called tyranny.

    • Vicki

      Some liberal will pop up soon and tell us that GM is a success cause they just went pubic again. Sure. Who in their right mind would buy GM seeing how previous investors were treated. I’m sticking with Ford.

      Btw has GM paid back any of those investors from before the government got involved?

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Vicki,

        Be careful about what you proclaim: “I’m sticking with Ford.”

        Dick DeVos of Amway is connected to eeligious reich Boycott of Ford Motor Company…

        It’s an anti-gay thing for them.

        Rob

        • vicki

          2 government motors and 1 free enterprise motors. I chose wisely.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Vicki,
        Now I know I’ll stick with Ford!!!

      • Kim

        LOL, Vicki! GM went pubic again! I love it! Yeah, I wouldn’t buy from any of the Government Motor Companies either. We’ll never see any reimbursement of our taxpayer funded bailout dollars that they are so proud they paid back, not even in good deals on vehicles.

        • JC

          You’re right about that. Companies that got paid for being irresponsible are forever on my boycott list. We’ll never see the money again because “stimulus” was just part of the plan to impoverish America…that money is gone gone gone.
          But we still get the bill don’t we?
          Go Ford!

  • Patrick

    Right on allison, profiling is the answer, I had my 94 year old father and 92 year old mother go through too much, I couldn’t believe it, I guess they thought my Dad with a bolted hip was harboring a bomb….TSA people acted like A@# holes

  • Jack

    Number of TSA employees eligible for unionization: 50,000
    TSA budget for FY 2010: $7.8 billion
    Estimated Union Dues TSA unionization will provide union bosses at $50 per month: $2,500,000 per month or $30,000,000 per year.
    Number of Americans whose Fourth Amendment rights have allegedly been violated: Thousands and still counting.
    NUMBER OF TERRORISTS CAUGHT BY THE TSA: 0

    • barbara

      Great information. Many insiteful comments here. Now we have two bills aimed at total control. bill 510 which will make anyone who owns or grows his own un-genetically modified seeds a criminal. Look up Codex Alimentarius to find out what “they” have on the table for all of us. Run by the mad hatter woh declared nutrition unnecessary in 1994. Also there’s a bill being voted on imminently # SB 3194, which would give the monopoly of firefighters etc. to the feds. Looks like they’re ramming through a lot of TOTAL CONTROL measures to be foisted onto the sheep. Well, we’re not sheep, we’re not subjects, we are AMERICANS, and we need to dump this passivity.

  • J. Patrick Wills

    It continues to puzzle why 300,000,000 ‘We the People’ don’t rise-up; exercising ” .. their constitutional right to dismember or revolutionary right to overthrow the (usurper, Obama) government.” – Lincoln, March 4, 1861.
    General Washington WARNED the young Republic, to: “stay out of foreign affairs” – but .. little did he dream ‘foreign affairs’ would boldly invade our shores – through intellectualism, i.e. calling truth lies; lies truth!

    Re-assess your present position, America .. “Know the truth and the truth will make you free” Amen.

    • http://barbalin@comcast.net barbara

      a close friend was in Indonesia prior to our last presidential election, and she said the Indonesians (who are muslims) were saying then that “one of ours is going to be president of the United States. Now we had to have an election to determine that because we’re not privy to insider information, but those people already knew. How about the muslim on TV before the election who told the commentator that they Muslims) had taken over Great Britain, The Netherlands, etc.etc., and they were going to take over the United States. When the commentator asked him “what then?”, the Muslim didn’t blink an eye but said “They”ll either convert to being Muslims, and our slaves, or we’ll cut their heads off”. This was a blatant declaration over national TV. Read Revelation.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        barbara,
        I guess I’ll just lose my head!!! you can take that to the bank!! I’m 100% Christian through and through!!

        • Agent Orange

          If any raghead tries to cut MY head off, I’ll take out my Tokarev 30-cal and BLOW HIS BRAINS OUT!!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            A. Orange,
            Just remember the end with the hole in it points AWAY from you!!!

    • Bleh

      Probably Fluoride. Fluoride was supposedly used to make pows more docile.

      • Robert Smith

        Instead of pow it went poof?

        Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          bobby,
          Just when I figure you couldn’t prove to me any clearer that you ARE an ass, you prove me wrong!!!

        • Bleh

          Not to bright are ya Rob?

  • Marilyn K

    When flights become safe without scans and pat downs, let me know. Until then, I want to arrive alive. And, I want to board a plane where EVERYONE had to go through the rigors, not just a select few. That means Muslims MUST GO THROUGH THE SCANNERS AND EVEN THE PAT DOWNS as well as everyone else…I don’t care what God people believe in. Perhaps terrorists are not caught by the TSA because they will not allow their bodies to be touched or to be scanned? That is scary!!When in America, do as the Americans do. I realize this is a money making industry for the Labor Unions and others. But, give me a safe flight so I can tell my grandchildren about it. Doing something is better than doing nothing to protect passengers and crews.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Marilyn K.,

      Sorry, I cannot agree with you. For dissent, I quote Benjamin Franklin: “They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

      You stand a far, far greater chance of dying in your car on the way to the airport than you do of dying from a terrorist taking over your airplane. Do you have any idea how many terrorists the TSA has discovered? Zero.

      Richard Reid and the underwear bomber were both false flag terrorist events designed to instill fear in people like you. Apparently, it worked.

      All the best,
      Bob

      • Vicki

        Even if they were “real” terrorists they still waltzed right thru TSA. so number of terrorists caught by ANY of the TSA policies = 0.

      • Al Sieber

        Mr. Livingston, I agree with you 100% on this one.

    • WARLORDX

      What a PINHEAD!! The only reason aircraft were the preferred hijacking vehicle was because the terrorists were guaranteed the entire plane was DISARMED. What you liberals fail to grasp is that in an unarmed society the man with a sharp stick and the CONVICTION TO USE IT is in CHARGE until someone else takes charge. And the official government policy was non resistance to hijacking. We all know how well that worked out. After realizing 9/11 didn’t totally succeed because we will no longer sit passively while being hijacked, unsuccessful attempts were made to surreptiously destroy aircraft in flight. They were stopped, not by the TSA or an inspection facility, but BY THE PASSENGERS. As pointed out, the government fights the LAST war, poorly,and only reacts to past crisis. So, I am NOT willing to submit to unwarranted searches just to make you FEEL safer, because you certainly really are not safer regardless of the TSA dog and pony show. Let’s get real.
      DE OPPRESSO LIBER

      • http://?? Joe H.

        WARLORDX,
        He is in charge till the people are so tired of living under his thumb that they are ready to test the theory that he can’t stab them all!!! And have the conviction to do it!!

  • Victoria DeLacy

    WAKE UP, AMERICA! They’re not only subjecting innocent citizens to these obscene procedures at airports but the machines capable of invading our privacy have now been made available to rich perverts on teh street who may then use them to spy on us in our own homes! That information was just received in an e-mail of mine this morning. Even if you never fly, then, you’re vulnerable to radiation assault. Those machines should no more be available for sale to the general public than would be machine guns! Where is the common sense? It’s time for citizen OUTRAGE and a collective DEMAND that this be stopped – this is not Russia, it is America – still presumably the hand of the FREE and home of the brave!

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston
      • http://?? Joe H.

        Bob Livingston,
        Have you heard of any way to block or interfere with the scan from these vans??

        • Agent Orange

          The X-rays won’t go through a concrete wall.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            No offense agent orange, I’d rather hear it from Bob!!! Thanks anyway!!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Bob Livingston,
          I know you are busy, but could you answer my question?? It would be greatly appreciated.

          • libertytrain

            He may be off enjoying his weekend – perhaps he’ll answer Monday —

          • Al Sieber

            Joe H, lead foil will work definitely, aluminum foil maybe if its thick enough.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Al,
            I don’t think Aluminum foil would do it if it can be used to “see” the insides of cargo containers! I’m wondering if there’s a radio signal that can do it!

          • Al Sieber

            Joe H, you have a point, maybe jam the signal.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Joe H.,

          Nothing that I’m aware of other than lead-lined walls.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Thank you, sir. much appreciated!

    • Vicki

      As Bob said the Z-backscatter spy vans have been reported here in stories and comments for many weeks. Look up ZBV on google.
      Here is the main link. http://www.as-e.com/zbv/

      in one photo they claim
      “Z Backscatter is a non-intrusive inspection technology that provides a photo-like image of the contents of a container”

      What do THEY mean by non-… They must be using a different dictionary.

  • Victoria DeLacy

    WAKE UP, AMERICA! They’re not only subjecting innocent citizens to these obscene procedures at airports but the machines capable of invading our privacy have now been made available to rich perverts on the street who may then use them to spy on us in our own homes! That information was just received in an e-mail of mine this morning. Even if you never fly, then, you’re vulnerable to radiation assault. Those machines should no more be available for sale to the general public than would be machine guns! Where is the common sense? It’s time for citizen OUTRAGE and a collective DEMAND that this be stopped – this is not Russia, it is America – still presumably the hand of the FREE and home of the brave!

  • http://personallibertydigest Betty

    it is called obama and his muslms i read an artical about a guy came over and trained in cosmedic surg he goes home and does surgery on muslim women putting explpsive in their brest and men in their buttocks have you heard any thing about this?

  • jimster

    There is a new business that has expanded over the last few years and is growing it is called chartering a plane. Security is up to the plane company. No TSA or other bs.

  • Deborah

    Although I am not a supporter of the TSA or the ridiculous and ineffective measures that are being taken to “Keep us safe,” I doubt the veracity of the incidents described above, eg., forcing a woman to drink breast milk, making a wheelchair bound child drag herself through the scanner…come on! Are there any facts to support these outrageous claims? If we want to be taken seriously, spreading falsehoods doesn’t make our case.

    • Robert Smith

      From Deborah: “Are there any facts to support these outrageous claims?”

      Now you’ve done it. The pontificators of such lies will demand YOU prove that they are wrong. IF you can’t prove them wrong their lies stand.

      Watch.

      Rob

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Robert,

        People like you and Deborah, who would rather slander and backbite than learn for yourselves, weary me. You are like children who would rather be told the answer to a question than find it yourself. But, here you are. You can see a few examples for yourself, without expending any of your own energy:

        http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2002/2002-08-09-jfk-security.htm
        http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dncrime/Documents_TSA_worker_pulled_drug_joke_more_than_once.html
        http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/84545957.html
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhkQoiaf7Uc&feature=player_embedded

        The only thing outrageous is the ignorance and naiveté of people like you.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • Robert Smith

          From Bob Livingston: “The only thing outrageous is the ignorance and naiveté of people like you.”

          Actually I often post links to things like the Stonewall riots in 1969 to show that the police are out of control on many fronts. Sadly it appears that folks around here only want to stand up for THEIR rights, not the rights of all Americans.

          BTW, thank you for your participation. I do rather enjoy bringing the hate and bigotry of such zealots as samurai and his wife. I feel it is a wonderful demonstration of the name calling and swift boating of any who don’t toe the line of propaganda.

          Rob

          Rob

          • Kate8

            RS – I don’t like to respond to your posts, but I’m not going to let that remark about Samurai and his wife.

            I’ve never seen anything resembling ‘hate and bigotry’ from those two patriots. They appear to me to be fine, decent people who are willing to stand for what they believe in.

            If you are going to insult someone, at least address it to them. That was a cheap shot, and tacky as all heck.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            kate8,
            That’s all little bobby knows how to do!!! course you probably know that as well as I do!! samurai and his new AMERICAN wife are two very good people!! Since they are not here I’ll just end with FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!!!!!

          • libertytrain

            Kate8 – when backed into a corner they totally revert back to childhood – “It’s not my fault” – “They did it” – very grammar school -

          • JC

            Oh don’t bother singling anyone out Robert. We are for the most part Commie Hating American Patriots, and you naturally are a Communist which is why you are at odds with us. Now hold still and wait for the flash :)

        • Robert Smith

          BTW, as evidenced by one of your references about TSA from the paper you cited: “WHAT’S BEING DONE: The airport’s TSA security director called Ryan’s parents to apologize after the story was printed in the Philadelphia Inquirer. The director gave them the name of the agency’s customer service representative in case the family experiences future problems.”

          Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/84545957.html#ixzz15mUBG7CG

          IOW, it doesn’t appear to be an organizational policy or effort on the part of TSA. In fact management reached out to assure the parents such a crappy thing wouldn’t happen again.

          MOF, I’m willing to place a small wager that those employees won’t be around in six months.

          Rob

        • Robert Smith

          Let’s see how this one works…

          From the article you cited at: http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2002/2002-08-09-jfk-security.htm: “The requirement was within federal guidelines at the time, but the policy has since been changed.”

          It was changed (again from the article): “At the time of the incident, screeners were permitted to have passengers drink from containers as a “clearance procedure,” said TSA spokesman Sebastian Warren. That policy was changed on June 24, he said.”

          So, the incident did happen. AND THE RULES WERE CHANGED BECAUSE OF IT.

          But oops, RULES just don’t seem to work for a lot of folks around here. Maybe if the inspector had been shot…

          Rob

        • Robert Smith

          http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dncrime/Documents_TSA_worker_pulled_drug_joke_more_than_once.html

          Oh! Here is another one that is real, but here is the rest of the story: “Shortly after news first broke of the story in January, the TSA said the BAO was no longer employed with the agency, but whether his departure was forced or voluntary remains unknown because of privacy laws”

          Well, we don’t have to wait to see how this one turned out. The bloak isn’t with the agency anymore. Seems to me that’s a good outcome for the jackass.

          Stull blaminig the company?

          Rob

        • Robert Smith

          Watched the video.

          Did you get to the part where that darn ACLU took up a case?

          Everyone around here doesn’t seem to like them very much, but I approve of them taking on TSU.

          Do you mind the ACLU picking up this case?

          Rob

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Deborah,

      Yes, there are. Doubt if you want, but you can find news stories about all of these incidents if you care to look.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • TIME

        Bob,
        I hope you don’t mind my adding to your post.

        Deb keep in mind that 99% of what happens is not on the news nor even if filmed would it be on the news at 6, 11 or any time.

        I watched in complete shock in Raligh NC Air Port as no less than 6 uniformed Army Personal with M 16′s beat the living crap out of an old man, as in was in his late 70′s early 80′s for not taking his shoes off.
        Thats – While they let no less than 10 Muslims walk straight through with out taking off their shoes nor coats nor their head dress’s.

        And just for the record that was in December 2002, I have 3 wittness to this event.
        By the way it was not on the news ever, nor was the goofy looking guy that was sitting playing with his shoes who was scooped up by 5 guys all dressed in black suits.

  • jopa

    Not everyone is against these pat downs and screening techniques.Larry Craig was spotted going back and fort,back and forth, through the pat down screenings in Minneapoli Minn. airport the other day.Then he went back to his stall.

  • Charlie

    I Applaud the TSA.. They go through tremendous security training I would rather have all the searching done as necessary than being blowen up in the Air I want the police on the street I want the fire fighters. the Security with dog what ever it takes to keep our country safe.
    As long as Obama will not secure the borders to illegal immigrants and keeps giving money to enter USA I feel all the security we can have is good EX: It’s in the Federal Register. 7-2010 You just spent $20,000,000 to move members and supporters of Hamas, a terrorist organization, to the United States; housing, food, the whole enchilada. HB 1388 PASSED whether you are an Obama fan, or not, EVERYONE IN THE U.S. needs to know…. Something happened…HB 1388 was passed, behind our backs. Search at the airport is a must, to me with out question! I hope they are not missing the piled hair do’s. Should be TSA or an out side company is questionable But mandatory search a must This is for our protection. TSA are under Federal regulation and are trained! Dont judge all by a few rule breakers -they can be fired! One can complain but any other really good protection thoughts? Keep us safe and the wind under our wings!

    • thinking

      Yes Charlie and we need them to stop every vehical on the road and go into every home and put cameras in bathrooms and to…

    • TIME

      Charlie, eat some Black Beans and Aho with Habanero and you will have all the wind under your wings you need.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Time,
        If they ever do start those cavity searches and I don’t have a choice but to fly, I’m gonna eat all the navy beans and boiled eggs I can stuff myself with. Then when they go to check…………..WEEEEEEOOOO!

      • Al Sieber

        TIME, that was a good one, I haven’t flown on a commercial Airline since the early, early, 1970′s when you could still smoke on them, in fact 1972 was the last time, I wouldn’t know how to handle these situations with out becoming violent towards the TSA agents, or telling them not to touch me.

    • “JAVOPE”

      Charlie, are you old enough to remember the George Burns and Grayce Allen show? It sounds like you may not be. At any rate all you need to do after applauding TSA for how they conduct safty is,
      SAY GOOD NIGHT GRAYCE!

      • Robert Smith

        GOOD NIGHT GRACEY

  • jopa

    It’s Not just the TSA, ther are dozens of new so called security agencies put in place in the last ten years supposedly for our protection.All the employees have top security clearances with access to top level documentation.They have no communication with each other so they don’t know how many are on the same case.They are included in our defense budget which is around 895 billion and rising.The question is who are they watching and nobody seems to know?

  • Dean

    They think, we answer to them! This entire government is out of control!

  • USNpops

    There is an easy answer to the entire question and it will satisfy all concerned.
    1. Do away with all security at airports, back to where it was before 9/11
    2. Put up signs on all aircraft, airport boarding ramps, and airline tickets “Flying may be hazardous to your Life” Similar to the way Cigarettes and alcohol have warnings on them. Perhaps even show pictures of planes crashing, etc. like they are going to do to cigarettes. (I’m a non-smoker by the way)
    3. Have anyone boarding a plane sign a waiver to forgive the carrier of all liability arising from using the carrier, similar to the one you sign to go on a cruise.
    Problem solved – gives each person responsibility for their own safety, and reduces the Federal Budget by a signifigant amount. Of course there may need to be a budget increase for NTSA, but so what.

  • alpha-lemming

    Leave it to the Federal Government to:

    1) Hire an incompetent…. 2) At twice the salary of the equivalent private sector postion… 3) To do the WRONG job!!

  • justacitygirl

    Perhaps everyone should pretend the groping feels good, and start moaning loudly, as soon as they start touching you….put the embarrassment back on them!!! LOL

  • Another Voice

    The most absurd part of this whole thing is that General Aviation traffic continues all over the country with no security at all! You can hire a private plane and pilot, go to the hanger and board a plane without going through a security check at all. Your luggage isn’t checked, and neither are the contents of your pockets. Osama Bin Laden could criss-cross the country in one private aircraft after another, and nobody would even know that he was aboard any of them because owners of private planes do not have to tell anyone who their passengers are. It would be so easy for terrorists to deliver dirty bombs to major cities this way. What’s wrong with this picture, folks?

    • justacitygirl

      Good point…but, heavens to Betsy one of the big wigs would have to be subjected to the same violations and delays, as they nonchalantly place on us…Americans can’t just email how we feel..we need to DO something to take our country back…but, how???

    • Vicki

      Not a big enough terror from small private planes. Remember the guy who flew into a building in Texas. Not real terrifying.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Vicki,
        Is a 28 passenger private jet full of JP-4 enough of a candle for you??? fly that into a highrise and see how many are killed at, say, 4 AM???

        • Vicki

          you want to kill a janitor or two? That is going to create terror in the populace how?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            vicki,
            I’m talking about a RESIDENTIAL highrise and at 4AM, it would be full of sleeping people as well as that janitor you speak of!! The highrise just down the way from me has 100 apts in it. figuring that they will have at least two people if not more in each one that comes out to two to three hundred or more people. That is a fairly small bldg. compared to most of the residential bldgs in NYC!!!

          • Vicki

            Still not feeling the fear there Joe. Got anything better?

            http://www.fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build04/PDF/b04047.pdf

        • Agent Orange

          Remember that B-25 that crashed into the Empire State Building, there were ONLY 15 people killed or wounded (including the flight crew). It takes a REALLY BIG plane (like a 757) to destroy a high-rise!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            First, you say only 15?? I’d be willing to bet it wasn’t JUST 15 to the people that died or their families or even toYOU had you been there. As it is, it caused one million 1945 dollars to repair the damage. That’s like what 30 million at todays rates of inflation??? Not so small, my mistaken friend!!

    • DaveM

      Terrorists could deliver dirty bombs with a pickup truck also. Does that mean all vehicle owners should submit to pat downs and body scans before hopping in their car? Your analogy of light planes being a security threat is rediculous.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        DaveM,
        All I was doing was disputing her remark that small planes are not enough of a risk for them. given enough time, they will”notice” them!! I happen to think the whole shooting match is a violation of our rights!!!

  • karen

    People who DO NOT want the security of knowing whether the person next to them has the potential to BLOW them up should STAY HOME…………

    • Vicki

      Thanks Karen that gives me an idea.

      2 flight choices. On your left we have the TSA and your choice of Millimeter wave or Backscatter XRay or a good time :)
      You all will be boarding flight Omega.

      On your right we have A security team trained by the Israili security who will use several techniques including PROFILING.
      You will be boarding flight Alpha.

      All of the “Religion of Peace” are encouraged to take the left path as you will be able opt out of both the scans and pat downs.

      Thank you for your co-operation and have a nice day.

      (There Karen. Which path do you take? Do you feel more secure? :) )

    • http://ActionAmerica.org John Gaver

      Karen, just remember that about 90% of the people on the plane with you went through NEITHER the nude body scanner, NOR the good-time grope-fest.

      With odds like that, do you really think that the terrorists are going to be overly concerned? 90% probability of success and they can blow up their device in line, in the very unlikely event that they are caught.

      But worse yet, all they have to do is claim that they were pulled out of line due to profiling and the TSA will go crazy apologizing to them… that is, if the terrorists are selected for the nude body scanner/grope-fest in the first place. In fact, it has been my own observation that TSA avoids selecting people of obvious Arabic decent.

      On a trip out of the country, just a few weeks ago, my wife and I were watching who the TSA pulled out for enhanced screening. We both agreed that, of all the people in that long line, there were two, in particular, that should go through the enhanced screening. While we were in line, we saw 7 females (including one girl about 16) and 3 men (including one man wearing what was obviously about an $800 designer suit), who were singled out. That was 10 out of 141, ahead of us. But both of the twenty-something Arabic males, in poorly fitting suits, went through TSA security, entirely unmolested. That should make you feel good.

      If I had the choice, I would trade the entire TSA fiasco that now delays us hours, for one well trained profiler at each security checkpoint. Forget about scanning luggage. Forget about metal detectors. Just one well trained profiler is all it would take.

      Profiling works!

      That’s why the liberals don’t want anyone using it. If there were no terrorist incidents, then there would be no reason for their massive government programs.

      Remember, too, that the TSA has even admitted that neither the nude body scanners nor the grope-fest would have caught the underwear bomber. It’s all for SHOW… LITERALLY!

      • Vicki

        John Gaver writes:
        “In fact, it has been my own observation that TSA avoids selecting people of obvious Arabic decent.”

        You should arrest the TSA employee promptly. Profiling is a crime.

        • meteorlady

          Sad – profiling in a valid and useful tool. I don’t see any gray haired ladies or men blowing up airplanes and buildings.

          The fact is that there is a profile – dark skinned male, ages 21 to 40. That’s the majority of the suicide bombers and terrorist.

  • Vicki

    If I were an Airline co that could opt out of TSA I would hire an Israeli security company and tell its people to PLEASE PLEASE Profile. Our Lawyers are ready.

  • tracycolorado

    DONT FLY , DONT BUY , DONT COMPLY

  • http://ActionAmerica.org John

    This article was both right on target and very convincing, right up to the point that the author lost all credibility, by calling the Republican’s only “Blame America First” RINO, Ron Paul, “the only statesman still in Congress today”.

    This article nails point after point, so that people who are not yet aware of the growing furor over the “enhanced” procedures, will certainly begin to wonder. But just about the time that those people are beginning to get really worried, they read words that make them think, “Oh. This is just another one of those Ron Paul issues.”

    Ever since Ron Paul joined the “Blame America First” crowd, tying his name too closely to any position on andy issue, regardless of how important the issue may be, is like attaching a ball and chain to that position. People are prone to immediately dismiss an issue, if they think that Ron Paul is behind it. That’s sad, because Paul is behind several important issues (audit the Fed, repeal large parts of the Patriot Act, etc.). But the fact remains that he has experienced such a total loss of credibility that now, just mentioning his name along with any issue, turns off many would-be supporters. They see his name and just stop reading or listening.

    There’s an old saying, here in Texas that goes, “Even a blind pig finds an ear of corn, once in a while.” For the rest of you folks, that means that even a Blame America First RINO (actually Libertarian) like Paul can have a good idea, once in a while. The problem is that lots of folks don’t think that way. They think that if a kook likes a concept, then that concept can’t possibly have any merit. We would be much more likely to have the uninformed masses listen to our arguments, if we avoid mention of Paul’s name, in relation to our issues.

    We need to put the Gestapo-like TSA out of business and turn security over to the airlines, who have a vested interest in keeping their passengers both safe and happy with their service. Then, we heed to allow the airlines to profile. If Ron Paul wants to help, then that’s great. There are places where he can be of help. But being on the front lines of an issue is not one of them.

    I’ll give the author of this article credit, though. At least he didn’t mention Paul’s name until near the end of the article, so readers would be exposed to many of the facts, before reading Paul’s name and therefore would be less likely to dismiss this issue, as frivolous, off hand.

    • meteorlady

      Those of us who have not bought into the media hype that Ron Paul is somehow out in right field still support him. You might do well to read the following and see just how “kookie” he is:

      http://www.ronpaulforcongress.com/html/republic.html

      • Agent Orange

        Ron Paul is a traitorous anti-American bastard who SUPPORTS the TERRORIST GROUND ZERO MOSQUE in Manhattan! If that doesn’t show everyone where his TRUE allegiance is, I don’t know what will!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Agent,
          Show me a link to that please!!!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Joe H. asks to see the link.

            Here is one, but there are many if you googoe “Rob Paul & Ground Zero Mosk”: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014453-503544.html

            “…the former Republican presidential candidate wrote late last week that “the debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.”

            When the reich demands a citation for something the rules are different for the rest of us. Thanks for that deomnstration. Maybe you should discuss asking for a citation with Mr. Livingston.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            I guess what you say about Ron Paul is right. I have been wrong before.but I will at least admit it. Oh, call me anything to do with the reich again and let me know where you are and we might have a real problem!

          • Robert Smith

            Awwww Joe H., Thanks for another demonstration from the extreme reich in America. Violence seems to be first on their list. Blowing up clinics, killing doctors and nurses, watching people die because they don’t have health care… Yup. Ain’t nothing there to respect.

            BTW, Do you remember the original holy reichs? They are what inspired all that nasty stuff that went on in the late 30′s and 40′s. There are still a lot of skinheads in America that have borrowed from it.

            But, the religious aspect is what I’m paying attention to.

            Goddess bless you, Joe. For goddess and country.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bobby,
            come on rump ranger, tell me where you live!!!

        • JC

          You missed your calling Agent Orange. Your hysterical militaristic rhetoric would have flourished in 1939 Germany. Heck They’d have put you in charge of a Concentration Camp.
          I don’t rule out profiling and armed self defense…but you’re “Kill em all” approach is part of what has earned us the enmity of the Planet.
          Maybe cut some eye holes in your helmet.

        • Bleh

          Ron Paul is a supporter of the Constitution examine his voting record for yourself. That is why he he supports the building of the mosque.
          It does not matter if you believe the 9/11 story or otherwise you can not deny them building the mosque if you support freedom and the Constitution.
          You stop the building the mosque you violate their freedom and you violate the Constitution in doing so.

          Think what you will of Ron Paul but his position on building the mosque is unassailable, the Constitution fully supports it and him.

          • Al Sieber

            Bleh, I’m with you, Ron Paul is following the Constitution and the 1st Amendment which is rights for all people regardless if we like them or not.

          • JC

            He’s one of the finest Americans that ever lived, and that’s a fact.

          • Robert Smith

            I don’t think much of they guy but the Constitution applies to ALL Americans, not just those who want to carry guns and scream at the funerals of our brave soldgers because their god hates fags.

            I do find it amazing how some find it so appealing to grab rights for themselves, yet they are so willing to deny others.

            For example, many proclaim to be pro-life, yet they scramble to get folks tossed out of hospitals and are more than willing to watch them die without proper health care.

            Anyone who claims to be pro-life should be supporting universal health care.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bobby the RR,
            Why should we do that??? Can’t afford your own insurance??? Want us to buy the diapers you put on your behind as well??

  • FirinPin48

    What i want to know is, is the military going to turn on Americans ? or back us up ? I do beleive a fight is comeing.

    • Robert Smith

      From Firin: “What i want to know is, is the military going to turn on Americans ?”

      We need a civilian army. That’s why the draft is important. Sadly it’s been turned into a political effort rather than common sense. In Isrial they have a two year service obligation for all between high school and college for all.

      Further, if Colen Powel is an example there is a lerning curve in the military. Some will go along with the politics but most won’t.

      Rob

      • vicki

        We HAVE a civilian army. We just need to redirect the funds to arm and properly train them. Oh and dump the unconstitutional laws preventing them from doing their duty.

        “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” – Ammendment II, US Constitution.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Bobby,
        why cause he doesn’t stick up for you??? Poor baby bobby!!!

      • Bleh

        Rob this Civilian Army you mention is called the Militia. Many states already have one and a draft is not needed in these states. What is needed is positive things said about them to counter the MSM slander of them.
        Look in your own state for your militia and support it.

  • FirinPin48

    This is not about safety, its about testing slavery.

  • http://www.LakeAtitlanRentals.com Duende

    I was really optimistic when i first started to read this thread. All the comments were bi partisan and putting the onus on both parties. Then a couple of twits have to start in with the accusing Obama alone.. and another Bush alone then Clinton alone and once again degrades into infantile name calling. Iwill call the names… you’re idiots.. it’s both parties.. both of which are controlled by the elite. Get over it. Jeez.

    I just came back to Guatemala where now live. I spent 3 weeks in the states. When I was in the security lines I didn’t know if I should sing America the Beautiful or Deutchland Uber Alles (Nazi National Anthem for the younger people in the crowd). Either song I knew I would get detained and strip searched. If I wasn’t responsible for my traveling partner I’d have definitely started with America the Beautiful.

    Love and light

    • Al Sieber

      Duende, I agree, one party creates the problem, the other comes up with the solution, the right/left paradigm. people don’t pay attention.

  • Sharon

    Firfinpin48. I went to the website that you posted. http://ifamericansknew.org
    I was unsure if I would cry or throw-up first. That was horrible. The sad thing is that our American politicians are in bed with the Isreali crime family and provide them at minimum 360 billion plus per year of tax payer money. The U.S. sends the Palestine $150,000. per year to feed all the Palestinian Christians and Isamic persons.

    There are also so many Christians in the U.S. that are very disillusioned by Israel. They are somehow unable to put the 2 books of the bilble together. The old, chosen. The new, Synagoue of Satan. That is it, the Anti-christ. I expect Christians will be held accountable at judgement.

    If there is anything I can do to help. Please let me know. Thank you for sharing.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Sharon,
      What that site fails to tell you is the reason that palistinian children are killed is that the palistinians will go as far as to mount rocket launchers on the top of schools in the strip and when the Israelis finally return fire there are, of course, children killed. What about the intentional bombing the open air markets by the Palistinians?? These sites that only state the palistinian side make me want to puke!!!

      • http://www.LakeAtitlanRentals.com Duende

        what you fail to mention Joe is that the state of Israel was created by europeans on foreign lands and the original occupants of that land are still in an armed struggle and quite out gunned by the Israeli and the United States which sickeningly enough appears to be the tail that gets wagged by the powerful Israeli/zionist lobbies. I dare you show me one documentary on US tv that shows that side of the conflict. Never! Wanna guess why? Powerful zionist influence… those zionists are also christian’s who think that since the jews left the Holy Land some thousand years ago they have some kind of god given right to be back in it again… and that the people who lived there should just shut up and smile when ever Israel turns the knife. That’s the insanity Joe and we never get to hear that. Most euopeans I know will not even flinch if you mention zionist influence in the US media… they will say “of course”. Here in the US you’re called anti Semitic for even mentioning it and then accused of hate speech.

        Peace Out

        Duende

        • Agent Orange

          The philistines are NOT the “original inhabitants” of Israel, they didn’t move in until 34 AD when the Romans kicked all the Jews out(who had been living there for MORE THAN A THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE)! And besides, even if the philistines did have any claim to that land, they LOST it by becoming terrorists!

          • http://www.LakeAtitlanRentals.com Duende

            False Agent Orange.. the Cananites occupied that area. Jerusalem was already an established city when David and his band of merry wanderers took a liking to it. The palestinians became terrorists when the stern gang and irugn, zionist terrorist groups, pulled them out of their homes in the late 40;s and early 50′s. members of irun and stern included Dyan, rabin, begin and sharon.. sharon was considered a whacko even by his counterparts.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          duende,
          Study up on the Palistinians!!! They were nomadic people till the jews established Isriael!!! Then miracles of miracles it was always THEIR country. The Palistinians have NEVER had a country!!!

          • http://www.LakeAtitlanRentals.com Duende

            Sorry Joe… they were not nomadic… they had established cities.. nabul and jerusalem just to name two. they had been growong olive trees on their lands for 100′s of years. lands which the ottaman turks had actually parceled out unbeknown to the farmers and then sold a lot of those lands to european zionists. Thems the facts.

      • libertytrain

        I’m with you Joe – I’m not joining the new trend to bashing all Jews in this lifetime – been done well enough by Germany in the 40′s — or was that “well done” – on this trend I will have no part no matter who is pushing the words.

      • meteorlady

        Why come onto this site and bash Jews? Why come onto this site and give a one sided argument? I agree that people and children are dying over there, but I disagree that it’s anyone in particular’s fault. They are terrorist and they will not give up until their point of view and their culture is in charge/power.

        The Europeans and the United States pushed for the state and there was never really a Palestinian state/country. The tribes there were nomadic. The Europeans and the United States screwed up the balance by chopping up the land and allocating it to different “tribes”.

    • http://www.LakeAtitlanRentals.com Duende

      Hi Sharon

      It is a shock for people who are unaware. In the US we are starved for facts for sure. I used to be very pro israel but had my eyes opened slowly. Paul Findley was a Republican representative from Illinois who had to deal with the issue and now has become quite vocal concerning the insanity of US/Israeli politics and the effect ANY politician who even dares questions for a moment giving Israel unquestioned support. Just Google him and read anything he has to say about it. I bought both “They dare to speak out” and “Silent no More” and they were eye openers. Also read up on the USS Liberty, an American reconnaissance ship that was knowingly attacked by Israel (our buddies of course) back in the 70′s.

      Peace

      Duende

      • Agent Orange

        “Knowingly attacked”, eh?! You should try and read the name on a ship’s stern while flying at Mach-2 at 50000 feet, then you can talk about whether it was a “knowingly” attack!

        • http://www.LakeAtitlanRentals.com Duende

          Eh.. Agent Orange.. er.. I hate to tell ya dude but they dont’t attack from 50,000 at mach II.. you’ve been playing to much nintendo. The liberty was flying the US flag in full view and the crew had visual with the pilots in the planes. Now the israeli planes were unmarked which shows distinct intent on their behalf. Read up on this.. admirals all the way to the ships cook say this was intentional and a huge coverup.

          • JC

            Duende, this freak hasn’t got a clue what he’s talking about.
            He’s pure hatred, and that is all…

          • Al Sieber

            Duende, I’ve been to Israel twice and what you say is true, there’s open hostility among the many different Jewish Sects there, I also heard interviews from the survivors of the attack on the USS Liberty, attacked by Israel that lasted over 3 hours. but you can’t discuss such things on this website because people won’t research it and you’re branded anti-semitic.

  • Bert

    All we need now is for someone to be found with explosives inside a body cavity, and who knows to what lengths the TSA will go to ensure our safety!
    The harsh reality is that enough explosives could be concealed inside an energy bar or something similar which is not banned yet, like the handle on a carry-on bag…
    But we must not look inside someone’s turban must we?

  • John Oahu

    It’s all about curtailing air travel. Guess what percentage of imported oil turns into air plane fuel. It’s that significant.

  • Mick

    In a sign of government elitist hubris and arrogance, Napolitano this week went so far as to say that if Americans won’t submit to the TSA procedures they can find another way to travel. Now the fascists are deciding how you should travel.

    **********************************************
    I love the Napolitano take on this !! The woman is either in co-hoot with America’s enemies or just plain stupid, in her case there is absolutely no middle….The woman obviously has no shame to even suggest letting the most possible aggressors pass through our security with no search.

    While Americans are forced to deal with the degrading searches, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is actually considering exempting Muslims as per CAIR’s demands. Madame Secretary confirmed this week that there will be “adjustments” and “more to come” on the issue of Muslim women in hijabs undergoing airport security pat-downs.

    • http://www.LakeAtitlanRentals.com Duende

      The Muslims won’t stand for this crap.. specially when it comes to their women. Neither will some Jews stand by while their beliefs are trounced.. I watched a swarm of Hasidic jews almost tear apart city hall because the town coroner wanted to perform an autopsy on a hasidic man who dropped dead in a public place. hell… blacks, mexicans and all others have stood up and bitched.. but some idiots just complain about the other people who’ve gotten their injustices noticed when what really bothers them is that they’re no longer the only act in town and have to share the world a bit.

      peace out

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Duende,
        Obviously you weren’t watching the news on Fox about this story!!! They showed a news reel on this crap and low and behold, there was a middle eastern woman in full garb being patted down!!!! Some are submitting!! If the rest don’t, they shouldn’t be allowed to fly!!! I am talking about the middle easterns only!!

        • http://www.LakeAtitlanRentals.com Duende

          Oh well…don’t tell me they’re the same as the us then.. I was hoping someone had some spine left.

  • http://www.LakeAtitlanRentals.com Duende

    By the way, Bob L. Thanks for a great article.

  • Palin12

    New theme song for TSA:
    “See me, feel me, touch me” by the Who.

  • Palin12

    TSA patdown of 3 year old:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN6pJ7nP1yA&NR=1

    Thanks for making me feel so safe Nappy.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Palin12,
      Why I don’t blame them. Did you see how suspicious that kid looked??? And that Thomas the Tank Engine backpack??? Why, the oldest trick in the book!! That was done 50 years ago!!! how stupid and revolting can these people get?!?!?

      • Palin12

        Pretty stupid alright, and they let the muslims pass through exempt because in their so-called religion you may not touch a muslim woman below her neck.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Palin12,
          Why not, they’re exempt from the bama care due to their religeon. can we exempt them from being residents of the US as well??

  • JC

    And yet another story of humiliation brought to by the unethical, un-American thugs over at the TSA;

    A retired special education teacher on his way to a wedding in Orlando, Fla., said he was left humiliated, crying and covered with his own urine after an enhanced pat-down by TSA officers recently at Detroit Metropolitan Airport.

    “I was absolutely humiliated, I couldn’t even speak,” said Thomas D. “Tom” Sawyer, 61, of Lansing, Mich.

    Sawyer is a bladder cancer survivor who now wears a urostomy bag, which collects his urine from a stoma, or opening in his stomach. “I have to wear special clothes and in order to mount the bag I have to seal a wafer to my stomach and then attach the bag. If the seal is broken, urine can leak all over my body and clothes.”

    On Nov. 7, Sawyer said he went through the security scanner at Detroit Metropolitan Airport. “Evidently the scanner picked up on my urostomy bag, because I was chosen for a pat-down procedure.”

    More: http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/msnbc-article.aspx?cp-documentid=26430209

  • Gordon

    Having lunch with friends who are traveling to Israel in a few months and we were talking security! They said that by the time you finish buying your ticket/s, the Israeli government know who you are and almost everything else about you. They also said that you will be checked fifteen times before you board a plane. Does anyone know anything about El Al here in the states? Maybe we should send some folks over to see how it is done! Is this too much to ask?

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    I just saw an interesting comment posted on CNSnews. (Boehner: GM Bailout Hurt ‘Tens of Thousands’ of Americans, Friday, November 19, 2010) The commentor suggested a possible motive – First it was the bailout and government takeover of GM, and perhaps airlines next?? He said many people making trips under 300 miles will drive instead of fly. My reply to him was: I read it here first. I should’ve thought of that myself!! The only correction I could make to it is the “….300 miles or less….” Make it 1,200 miles. I haven’t traveled by plane in 17 years. All of my trips between Florida, New York and Connecticut since then have been by car. Of course we know the most regulated industries are the ones that are hurting the most. First the auto industry. Now the airlines, which have already been hurt by years of government regulation. Labor unions have also hurt these industries, and have benefited from government takeovers. And of course everyone should know that these new TSA rules won’t keep us safe. If they really cared about our safety, they’d stop the politically correct BS!! If profiling is needed, then they should just do it. Target those who are a real threat!! Also – if they really cared about our safety, these BHO Administration miscreants would also start securing our national borders!!

    I also heard a talk show host last night suggest people boycott by not flying this holiday week. Yes!! Of course BHO and his democraps will sabotage industries, one at a time, for the sake of their greedy unConstitutional power grab and their labor union cronies. We also know the democraps are masters at the technique of deception. I.e., they brag about having created social security. But they’ll never admit that they’ve been stealing from it for years, and are bankrupting it. Nor will they tell you how much better off you’d be if you could opt out of social security and invest all that FICA money elsewhere. Likewise with unemployment benefits. They accuse the GOP of not caring about the unemployed because they oppose benefit extensions. But we know the truth – it’s the democraps who’ve created the need for unemployment benefits over the past few years in the first place. If the GOP had controlled Congress and the White House over the past 4 years, millions more Americans would be working now, in jobs paying more than the breadcrumbs they’re getting from the government in the form of unemployment benefits and extensions!!

    • Ozlanthos

      The GOP isn’t any better. They’ve been the ones most readily pushing for more Free Trade Agreements, which only hurts middle and lower class workers. The “regulations” that republicans hate so much are the same ones that keep our workers safer at work, and have actually been effective in curbing the environmental damage caused by unbridled corporate polluters. Allowing companies to simply ship their production facilities to countries that don’t know any better, or are run by people too greedy to care about what happens to their country as a result is not the right answer! Imposing harsh tariffs on imports to both generate income, and dissuade overtly greedy corporations from moving operations elsewhere is the answer we really need!!!

      -Oz

  • Ozlanthos

    I am so sick of listening to Lars Larson yap on about how great these scanners are, and how because the airports are private property we have no Constitutional rights in them!!!!! I recently quit listening to him due to an increasing suspicion I’ve secretly held that he is in fact a shill for the fascist/corprocratic take-over of this country. My suspicions were realized in full with his stance on this issue. His dedication to the commercial cutting of the trees on public lands, while being an avid hunter could easily be qualified as “hypocritical” if he didn’t restrict his hunting to “private-property”. This stance has earned him the title “game-farm hunter” with me.

    Btw, I really and truly hope EVERYONE opts-out of being scanned. Although given the bs I’ve been hearing via every media source, it is unlikely, and Americans will just bend over and take it yet again…Sad. COME ON AMERICA! SHOW THEM YOUR DISDAIN FOR THEIR FREAKING POLICE-STATE AND STAND UP FOR ONCE!!! DENY THE MICROWAVING OF YOUR BODY!!!

    -Oz

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