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FAIR Report Cautions Against Democrats’ Amnesty Plans

April 8, 2010 by  

FAIR report cautions against Democrats' amnesty plans As the Democrats are turning their sights towards immigration reform, a prominent advocacy organization has warned that an amnesty for illegal immigrants would be detrimental to American workers’ prospects.

According to the report from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) entitled Amnesty and the American Worker, record levels of immigration during the 2000s have added new workers to the labor force faster than the economy has been able to create new jobs.

That is why the organization has criticized the amnesty idea supported by many Democrats, saying that at a time when some 25 million Americans are either unemployed or involuntarily working part-time, amnesty would entitle the estimated 7.5 million illegal aliens to keep their current jobs, and compete with American workers for any new jobs.

"It is unconscionable that at a time of devastatingly high unemployment, our nation’s leaders seem determined to forge ahead with legislation without even considering the harm it might cause," said Dan Stein, president of FAIR.

He also disputed assertions that the move would boost the U.S. economy, saying the benefits would accrue almost entirely to the amnestied aliens and their direct employers.

The latest figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics suggest the unemployment rate in March remained unchanged at 9.7 percent. ADNFCR-1961-ID-19706445-ADNFCR

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  • Amy007

    this is so not true. The undocumented workers are already here and have jobs, so they won’t compete with Americans for new jobs. Many of them pay taxes and are hard working people. Many have husbands/wives who are either US citizens or permanent residents and they need to get the chance to adjust their status! Why do we want to ruin peoples’ lives? Aren’t we a country of immigrants? Not doing anything will harm us even more. In ten years we will have 20 million of undocumented workers because if the law is not reformed our own greedy employers will hire those people. What are we going to do with 20 million people ? Avoiding to solve this problem is irresponsible, and ruining peoples’ lives is immoral. Schumer-Graham bill is very good and the biometric ID and E-verify should solve the problem or at least slow it down significantly. Those who oppose the reform most likely benefit from the current situation and the illegal workers.

    • Americal Liberal

      Good post Amy.. I agree and you said it well..

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Yeah, and once you take 12 to 30 million illegals off the workforce, 12 to 30 million American workers (U.S. type) will be able to return to work!!!!

    • Cribster

      There’s a balance to every thing, when you help illegal aliens you hurt American citizens.

      There is way beyond 20 million now and it’s due to the amnesty in 1986, when you reward bad behavior you get more bad behavior.

      Thousands of innocent American citizens have been slaughtred by illegal aliens. Here’s just one place to see a fraction of the horrors.

      I’ve seen the destruction first hand. In a ten year period I saw a neighborhood go from 15% hispanic to 95% and anyone that is not hispanic is not welcome there. Diversity? they’ll laugh in your face, that is if they even understand you. That area now looks like ancient Aztek.

      They are bankrupting hospitals and destroying our education system.

      They have no respect for America and it’s citizens. How anyone can just surrender the sovereignty of our nation is beyond me. This is an invasion the likes of which man-kind has never seen!

      We can rid ourselves of this plague. Enforce the laws on the books! Stop coddlilng the invaders and end sanctuary cities. No more birthright citizenship, that’s just insane. Implement e-verify nationwide. Install a complete Iraeli style fence, they work!!

      We need to make life miserable for illegals rather than Americans.

      • Cribster

        Excuse me, forgot the link;

        http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

      • Michelle

        Well said. Anyone that is for amnesty is just listening to the propaganda of how “these poor people are just looking to make a better life.” Well, try living in Arizona! They have destroyed the schools, hospitals and neighborhoods. The school my kids went to, which at the time had a very low hispanic attendance is now 75% hispanic. Surrounding schools are facing even higher percentages. This is all taking away from the education of our children! They work under the table and don’t pay taxes – I’ve seen it! Try finding a job if you don’t speak Spanish. Local signs are only posted in Spanish – NO ENGLISH! That is only the tip of what is happening. People should be allowed to immigrate to the US but under legal conditions. Rewarding illegal actions over and over again is only helping perpetuate the problem.

    • James

      Amy007, We are a country of laws, not men. When aliens enter our illegally, they become criminals. Rewarding that criminal action with citizenship and rights is tantamount to treason. When an American citizen entered North Korea illegally, he was arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced to 18 years of hard labor there. I’m not suggesting we do likewise, but entering our country illegally is a crime. If that isn’t punished to some extent, and is even rewarded, it sends a loud and clear wrong signal to the world. A nation that control who and what passes over its borders is no longer sovereign.

    • Jeep

      Amy, do not let any facts get in the way of your compassion. Such as, according to the Center for Immigrations Studies, “A 1997 study by the American Academy of Sciences found that the cheap labor of illegal immigrants and poor immigrants caused a 44% decrease in wages among the poorest Americans from 1980 to 1994.” Or, this crazy non-sense, “Amnesty for illegal immigrants will cause costs to increase significantly from $10.4 billion a year to $28.8 billion. This is because an amnesty program would transform an illegal immigrant to an “unskilled immigrant with legal status” who could access various government programs. However, due to low income, these “unskilled immigrants with legal status” would likely make very modest tax payments.”

      But, of course, all illegals are just here to work, right? However, ” Illegal immigrants collectively represent a group that is a significant menace to the public. 80% have committed serious crimes in addition to immigration violations, and 40% have violent crime histories.”

    • Butler

      Blah Blah Blah. Yes we are a nation if Immigrants but most have come here LEGALLY! We keep rewarding these people who are breaking our laws, threatening our country’s Security. Yes some pay taxes (hopefully on their own SS) but they are costing the American taxpayers much more by using our hospitals for free, Medicaid, food stamps and WIC, anchor babies, which by the way was not meant to be used that way (read the column by George R. Will). They are bankrupting our country! The Drug lords are ruining the border towns and now it is spilling over into the rest of the US. When are we going to get wise? Probably never. Secure our borders for immigrants that came here the legal way. This is so so true. Wake up America. Feeling sorry for “Criminals” has to stop. Even legals get fake papers to scam the system.

    • Stephen G. Browning

      You said ” Why do we want to ruin peoples’ lives? Aren’t we a country of immigrants?”. That statment is so true and the lives that it will ruin are the people that fought for their life. You don’t see the whole picture. Get some glasses, please.

    • Regina

      I hate to inform you of this Amy but we already do have 20,000,000 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS living here. They are not undocumented workers. They broke a law to get here. Why don’t you tell the “they just come here looking for a better life” to the family of the Arizona farmer who was just murdered on his own land by more “undocumented workers” looking for a better life. Why don’t you tell that to the families of the 4 children who were killed on a school bus in Minnesota by an “undocumented worker” looking for a better life. Why don’t you tell that to Callie Jo Larsons mother. She was the 12 year old girl who was raped, murdered and hung from the rafters of her home at 4:00 pm in the afternoon by your “undocumented worker looking for a better life”.

      • Claire

        Regina– Good for you. Well said.

    • DamnYankee

      Since the government won’t do anything for the unemployed or underployed Americans, the individual needs to ask for verification thay they are here legally, or not hire the individual or boycott the company that hires them. I, for one, would not hire them, or use a company that does. (i.e. roofing, cement work, etc). I saw what happened when a bunch was hired to reroof homes after an ice storm. They have no idea how to reroof a house. The insurance companies will not pay a second or third time, that I KNOW.

    • DamnYankee

      Why should our education system be “dumb-down” (less then mediocure)just for them? American children are not taught what they need to be taught. We must not offend or be “politically correct”. Why should the taxpayer pay for their food stamps, medicad, or hostipal bill? Why should some be able to abuse people or their property, and the authorities can’t do anything, unless someone is murdered? Much of our prison population are illegals. The prison population would be much more if all could or would be caught. How do think much of the illegal drugs get here? Yes, Americans, (who don’t think what drugs can do) are the consumers, but think how much better we would be if illegal drugs were no here.

    • Palin12

      Amy, don’t you know that referring to illegal aliens as “undocumented workers” is like referring to drug dealers as “undocumented pharmacists”?

    • David

      Amy, WHAT are you SMOKING!!!! These people are criminals: C-R-I-M-I-N-A-L-S

    • http://None Robert Samuel

      Some people want to act as there are no immigration laws.
      One thing that is never talked about, the law states how many people
      can enter the United States a year, and we have been leaving more
      than is allowed, and it has to come to a stop. Experts on this subject have said the immigration department will never be able to handle millions of people, and this is going to cost trillions of
      dollars over ten years. When are we going to start to bring the depth
      down?

  • Americal Liberal

    I’ve got to give President Obama credit for taking on an issue that was ignored for over a decade ( especially ignored by republicans)…President Reagan granted amnasty when he was president and everything was Ok with conservatives then… What needs to be done is finally have a policy that we follow towards immigrants… I believe to many business owners are only to happy to just keep turning a blind eye and employing ” illegals ” as cheap labor.. Exploiting humanbeings…if we are going to have undocumented people working here let’s change that and document them and get them working in the system and paying taxes… The villian?.. The people hiring the illegals just for cheap labor.. This hurts both the American workers and the undocumented… Let’s get everybody out in the open..

    • TIME

      Nano Wit,
      “Exploitation” is on both sides of this issue, don’t kid yourself.

      In New York where the cost of living is near the level of insane, as in our home just sold for what can be noted as Crazy money even in a good market. let alone todays market.
      Be that as it may – an 800 Sqft appartment on Long Island rents for $2500.00 – $3900.00 per month, keep in mind these are not legal appartments these are underground basements, sheds, above stores etc..
      Yea what about that, people have to do this to pay their property TAXS. Again – thats crazy, average taxs around the North Shore are $30K per year and three and four times that amount in many places on the North shore.

      There are many Mexicans living in these appartments, as many as 6 or 10 in 800 SQft.
      Where do they work local restaurants, stores, gas stations, and they work for “CASH only,” they don’t want to be legal.

      This saves the owners money by not paying – Social Security, Unemployment Insurance, Health Insurance, and IRS Tax’s, just to name a few, so whos being exploited.

      I have a Mexican friend there who is citizen of the US and has been for twenty years, he can’t get a job due to his being a US citizen nor can any of his other Mexican friends that are legal.
      He came to me with a strong business plan, I gave him money to start up his Restaurant – I am happy to say – he is doing very well.
      Now before you tell me how I am taking advantage of him, please note I said I gave him the money, its not a loan.

      You really need to get out more and stop watching Katie Quackie, and all the Wacko’s on the standard media.

      I don’t think anyone should be a slave, but on that note the majority are not here legaly. Thus a Federal crime, as in the law has been broken.
      By the way just for the record, Food stamps and other aid is flowing to these people by the way of FRAUD from groups like Acorn.

    • James

      American Liberal, President Reagan did no such thing. He may have favored amnesty but he didn’t grant it. Our presidents are not kings, the Executive Branch of government simply executes the laws of the Legislative Branch (Congress). The only way illegal aliens could get amnesty, is for Congress to amend our immigration laws and create an exception, in it, for them. However, even this would be an unconstitutional retroactive law.

      • eyeswideopen

        James, you are wrong. Reagan signed The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/1008amnesty-intro.html

        • James

          Eyeswideopen, The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 didn’t grant amnesty to illegal aliens, it basically outlawed their employment here. Title I, Sec. 101. Control of unlawful employment of aliens, reads: “It is unlawful for a person or other entity to hire…for employment in the United States…an alien knowing the alien is an unauthorized alien…with respect to such employment.” Sec. 103 outlawed the “misuse of certain immigration related documents,” by illegal aliens. This referred to the phony citizenship certificates that were in use. This Act says nothing about amnesty, it was effort to make employment of illegal aliens more difficult.

          • eyeswideopen

            James, just for you, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1065553/posts

            Since when did you think the gov would use hot words like “amnesty” in it’s laws?? LMAO, you know better than that. Read article to end, you will enjoy it as you are a literal person.

          • James

            Eyeswideopen, The law means what it says, not what people want it to mean. There are congressmen who want amnesty for illegals, but so far no amnesty has been granted to them.

          • James

            Eyeswideopen, Your article isn’t the law. What someone writes about it doesn’t alter what the law says. The article’s mention of ‘amnesty’ has confused you. The Act in question criminalized the employment of illegal aliens, it did not make them citizens with rights, if it had, the Act itself would have been unconstitutional.

          • eyeswideopen

            James, you can’t read, I posted exactly what the law reads, section, by section. You just want to deny it. Typical RWA stance. You radicals won’t accept a law that is in black and white, if you don’t like it. Dude, just accept fact law is 64 years old and Obama didn’t write it. Stop the fear mongering,

          • eyeswideopen

            James, I know you trust fox news so here is their link, please notice they use word amnesty. lol http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122297,00.html

          • James

            Eyeswideopen, Foxnews.com said: “the 1986 immigration reforms…show just how damaging another illegal immigration amnesty would be to our country.” I quoted from that law, just above. Foxnews was just saying how damaging amnesty would be to our country. Their word “another” may have confused you, it suggests aamnesty has been granted, when it clearly has not. Do a search for: “The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986″, and click on a site that displays that law. You will find that my quotes are accurate. That Act did not grant amnesty, nor has it ever been granted, it simply criminalized employment of illegals, the purpose being to discourage more aliens from coming here illegally to seek work.

        • eyeswideopen
          • James

            Eyeswideopen, Your “law is 64 years old” statement would refer to a law enacted in 1946, and your “hotair.com” source said: “Error 404 – Not Found” and displayed nothing. You are simply refusing to face the facts, if the Democrats are now proposing that amnesty be extended to illegals, why would they bother if it had already happened?

    • David

      American Gliberal, you’re WRONG. It wasn’t Ok when Regan did it and all it did was to increase the flow of criminal across the border. It doesn’t matter if they work hard or pay taxes (most don’t as they can’t show anything but stolen or fabricated SSN’s; i.e. FELONY Identity theft). Every ¢ they make is a crime and theft from US citizens. Every time an employer pays them 1¢ s/he too commits a crime. All they do is drive down wages, cost the rest of us in “free” services and social programs, drunk driving deaths and accidents, property crimes and loss of jobs that citiznes would otherwise do at legal, living wages.

      • James

        David, President Reagan didn’t sign a bill into law, that granted amnesty to illegal aliens. You are being misled by other’s comments. Read my above response to Eyeswideopen, and do a search for that 1986 law yourself. You are right that that law didn’t stop the flow of illegals, but it was because U.S. employers ignored that law and hired illegals anyway.

  • Emma

    When immigration reform went down in June 2007, the unemplyment rate was about 5% so it is disingenuous to say that the current high unemployment rate is the problem.
    All of you who purport to be for enforcement of the immigration laws should support the implementation of a biometric tamper-proof social security card as suggested by Senators Schumer and Graham. The best way to curb illegal immigration is to make it extremely hard to work without authorization.

    • James

      Emma, I say the best way to control immigration is to enforce the immigration laws we have, and the way to do that is for the federal government to control who and what passes over our borders.

      • Harley

        James,

        I second that 100%. Also, I do not need a biometric card forced on me because we let people into our country illegally. There is a procedure for people to get into our country legally. These existing laws should be enforced. As well, letting people come in illegally is not fair to the people who do apply for legal entrance into the country.

      • American Liberal

        James… Wrong…the border isn’t the answer to stopping illegals… That’s putting a bandaid on a major operation … We need to work on why they come here…. If we enforced the laws aginst hiring illegals then their would be no reason for them to come… No fence is going to stop illegal immigrants… The fence is nonsence…you ever climb a fence as a kid?… It’s the greedy people looking to exploit them that are the problem… No jobs for illegals= no illegals… Or less illegals …

        • TIME

          Nano, This is a first I agree with you!

        • James

          American Liberal, I agree that The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 should be enforced. It essentially outlawed employment of illegal aliens, but our southern border needs to be defended against a continual invasion of more illegals. We are supposed to a nation of laws, not men. A nation that does not, or cannot, control who and what passes over its borders is no longer a nation.

      • American Liberal

        President Obama ran his campaign on the promise of healthcare refore… “We the people” elected him…. His pool numbers on healthcare are low because us liberals wanted the single payer option and we didn’t like that he kept bending over backwards trying to include republicans who’s only agenda is for him to fail…. I’m not worried about his polls… Ask me right before the next presidential election.. Right now The Presidents polls are similar to Ronald Reagans at the sametime… No worries …

        • TIME

          Nano,
          Thats not quite right dude. As a matter of fact BarryO’s numbers are very low due to the fact that 70%+ of the US population that “pays tax’s” did not, nor do they want the HCR bill that was passed.

          Thats the facts that even MSNBC could not hide. Even try as they may
          with polls taken in as deep of pockets as they could get of the entitlements crew. They even know its going to cost them money!

          • zack

            Obam-bams health care reform is going down the pupe shoot. It is out of here, no go ro-ho, failed, democrats backing up, changing their minds, bad deal they say, zilt, quit. Re-think or our a$$ is out of here in NOVEMBER. The idiots are finally getting the message. Americans do not want it. Keep the pressure on AMERICANS and they will flush it soon. Mark my word.

      • eyeswideopen

        Haley, we presently give them Green cards, what is the big deal in changing the type of cards? All visitors, with visa’s should be identified and available in our system. You are aware that almost every state has a requirement that if you don’t have a driver’s license, you must have a state ID card to be able for the police, hospitals to identify you, aren’t you? You have probably always had a drivers lic. so you don’t know about the state ID cards.

    • DamnYankee

      Who gets the biometric, tamper-proof ID, them or us, accorging to the proposed Schumer-Graham law?

  • angel-wanna-be

    The Dems forged ahead with Healthcare reform against the will of the people, they’ll do the same with amnesty program. Can anyone say Democratic votes??___The Dems are going to need all the votes they can get, come November and they know it!__
    ___Years ago my husband worked for a company, that when anyone who even looked like law enforcement, walked in the front door, half of the workers ran out the back door!__Unfortunately, Illegals are cheap labor, they will do the meager jobs alot of America won’t do. Whether illegal or American citizen, My guess is, if you get hungry enough, you’ll do what ever job it takes to feed yourself and/or your family.__At 53, Experience has show me, that you can only afford to be choosy is in, times of abundance.__None-the-less, like Moses parting the sea for his people to cross into the land flowing with milk and honey, Obama will completely open the borders, that America only half-assed patrolled and guarded anyway. While plenty of illegals are already here in the US, an influx of new Illegals should put the screws to America’s job-less-ness nicely and force more people to feed at Pharoah Obama’s welfare trough.
    This administration claims to wave the flag of truth, as the lies seep through their gnashing teeth. This pharoah needs to go in 2012 along with the rest of his elitest kingdom!

    • DamnYankee

      Truth is arguable-”the truth according to whoever is speaking” like global warming: facts are not-1+1 still equals 2 and 2+2 still equals four. Fact is we have millions of illegals. Fact is we have millions of unemployed or underemployed Americans. If you as an employer do not verify an alien, or knowingly hire an illegal, it is tantamount to treason and should be prosecuted as such. That they are seeking a better life—tell that to Texas, New Mexico, Arizon, California, or anywhere they are in great numbers.

  • Pat

    We need to enforce our immigration laws that we have already. Amnesty has been granted 7 times since 1986 and it has NOT helped our country. Yes we are a nation if Immigrants but most have come here LEGALLY! We keep rewarding these people who are breaking our laws, threatening our country’s Security. Yes some pay taxes (hopefully on their own SS) but they are costing the American taxpayers much more by using our hospitals for free, Medicaid, food stamps and WIC, anchor babies, which by the way was not meant to be used that way (read the column by George R. Will). They are bankrupting our country! The Drug lords are ruining the border towns and now it is spilling over into the rest of the US. When are we going to get wise? Probably never. Secure our borders for immigrants that came here the legal way.

    • American Liberal

      Pat… For a start we could do as suggest .. And I agree…if we enforced the laws aginst the businesses that hire illegals we wouldn’t be having this same discussion almost every decade…I believe the majority of the illegals were discussing are from Mexico that come here for jobs.. Correct?.. So if we enforced the law aginst hiring them I believe the majority would stop coming.. We have to many people on this side of the border encouraging them to come by offering them jobs.. Those people are the real guilty people.. That’s where we need to be tough..

  • American Liberal

    Angel… What did George W.Bush do?… And Ehat did Ronsld Reagan do… ?…at least President Obama has the backbone to do something… Of course you won’t like it… You wouldn’t like anything he does…I’d at least like to know who and where the illegals are… What’s your solution?.. More nothing?

    • American Liberal

      Typo “what”

    • angel-wanna-be

      My first solution would be is to, put these 16,000 new IRS agents to work, not just enforcing healthcare insurance violators(because most of us have insurance at the moment) since they’re going to be brandishing shotguns anyway, let’s round up the illegalS, and profile them to find out if they’re legal or not!!__If the people they round up aren’t card carrying, them shippem’ the hell out of here, until they do it right!!___Just because Reagan or Bush didn’t bother with the illegals, doesn’t make me wanna jump up and down, now that Obama decides to do something about the illegals. “Whoop di sh*T!”__The economy is still in the tank, we going to be taxed out the ass, we still have the war__and_ Oh and BTW, healthcare won’t be available for at least another 4 years, TELL ME, DID THE PEOPLE STOP DYING IN THE STREETS SINCE HEALTHCARE REFORM PASSED??____ NOW,If you read or listen too, more than just the Liberal news media__you’d already know and understand, that allowing and influx of Illegals into the United States was/is already in the grand scheme of things. The savior will give the ILLEGALS freedom, that will add more to the dependent welfare trough, as a result, they will be forever grateful and vote for the one who set them free. OBAMA AND HIS BAND OF MERRY MEN, WON’T REST UNTIL AMERICA IS COMPLETEY SOCIALIZED!__If you wish to follow your shepherd, then by all means!!!!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Angel,
        didn’t you hear??? Death took a long vacation……4 years!!! Whooo wooop!!!

  • American Liberal

    As of yet, I haven’t heard that president Obama plans on granting amnasty … Something has to be done.. And the cold hard fact is the last administration neglected everything and now anything President Obama does is going to be opposed by the Anti everything not republican right.. My opinion is that the right screwed up this country so bad I don’t care what you think..and that’s been my biggest complaint about President Obama… Trying to please the right..they had their chance .. Look where they took the country…facism and debt…now they don’t like tax dollars being spent on America?.. I didn’t like my tax dollars spent on Bushs Iraq adventure… Nor do I likey tax dollar spent on isreal..we provide American dollars allover the world( socialism) but the rightwing doesn’t want Americans to benifit from healthcare ..that’s too bad..

    • angel-wanna-be

      Yeah right, Bush completely ignored the fact we were under attack on
      9/11 TOO__Keeping America and her people safe was a hell-of-alot more important than ANYTHING ELSE!___ If Al Quaida succeeded in taking out more Americans, ANYTHING Bush wanted to improve on would have been done for what reason?__If you don’t have a Country of people there’s nothing to govern!!!___First things first my friend!___Obama has done the same thing by placing a priority on healthcare, closing gitmo, breaking down our CIA, and pussyfying them into a more sensitve, politically correct agents, that mirandize terrorists on the fields and make sure there litte personalities are being treated fairly____Wall the while the economy is still in the tank and the private sector is still being nationalized__GIVE ME A FREAKIN’ BREAK LIB!!!

      • eyeswideopen

        angel, are you saying that all Bush did for 12 hours everyday was concentrate on the war? If that is all he did, how did the shoe bomber get into the country? Just wondering.

  • Dale

    A country that doesn’t control its borders . . . eventually ceases to be a country. Its not just mexicans that are coming accross the southern border, undesirables from all over the world are walking into the US and taking advantage of leftist states who just can’t give them enough. It’s time to round up the illegals and send them home.
    Watched the Bamster answer a question at a TownHall recently . . . he rambled for over 15 minutes and still never answered the question. But, I bet he and Biden have similar discussions . . . that only they understand.
    The Bamster is spending the US into 3rd world status. The debt clock is ticking . . . anyone watching Greece? California is already in worse shape than Greece, govt handouts will soon cease.
    The healthshare bill is nonsense . . . 16 thousand IRS agents to enforce it, building jungle jims and sidewalks, gutting Medicare and downloading Billions of costs to the states. Plus massive tax increases and fees. Check out Britain . . . this is the future!!

  • eddie47d

    We’ve had this problem for over a century and still squabbling. Every so many years we have a shortage of workers and businesses ask the government to allow more help to come in.These businesses hire immigrants by the hundreds and thousands during these periods. When the economy gets bad we scream deportation and treat these workers like they are less than human. Why should they constantly be required to live a nomadic life. Their living conditions aren’t going to improve if we keep treating them like garbage in and garbage out. We should always keep the border closed if that’s the will of the American people. If our American companies need workers like they have in the past then America will not be productive and that will be our loss. If we choose to allow immigrants in this country to do our work them treat them with respect and give them some stability.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      eddie47d-cup,
      There was a meat packing plant in Georgia raided a couple of years ago and a goodly number of illegals busted and deported. these workers were making an average of 12.00 an hour. Now remember if you can, that average means some were making more. within one week, all the jobs had been filled by U.S. citizens!!! That belies your “fact” that there are “shortages” of American workers!!!! I know of quite a few people that would be glad to work for that wage when compaired to the dollar store wage they are making to get by!!!

    • DamnYankee

      Stability? Where is the stability for our Veterans or the elderly? Many of our veterans are living in the streets; many elderly are eating dogfood, or choosing between paying for needed drugs or losing their homes. Where are their STABILITY?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Yankee,
        Once you get another 30 million on medicare it’s only gonna get worse!!!

  • kate8

    Illegal immigration is just another aspect of the plan to destroy America. It demoralizes citizens, creates more crime and chaos, and wastes more taxpayer money.

    The truth is, the NAU is alive and well. I think they put a new name on it. We no longer have borders. They just haven’t officially told us yet.

    This administration has demonstrated loud and clear that it will not be hindered by the will of the people. We have been removed from the
    debate, as we have become a “nuisance” (according to BO himself).

    • angel-wanna-be

      kATE8, “ABSO-FREAKIN-LUTELY!!!”

      • Claire

        Sorry, girls–none of the administratations have done a dang thing about the illegals. Sure some were granted amnesty and then the administrations dropped the ball. They are ALL guilty of doing nothing. Regarding this issue, the Repubs didn’t do a thing-same as the Liberals. They have refused to deal with it. If any blame is to be placed, then all of them are to blame.

        • Claire

          Good grief. “administrations”

        • eyeswideopen

          Finally, the voice of reason and fairness. Hands clapping.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            and empty head echoing!!!

          • zack

            hands a clapping, feet in the air dancing, and blowing gas. lmao lol WWWHHHOOOOOOO

    • tedcrawford

      Kate: Lets hope we can REALLY be a nuisance in November!!!

  • Airangel

    Lets let all foreigners run our country…this just in…ABC banning the wearing of anything AMERICAN!!! Who owns them? Serious…is America being sold-out from under us?

    Even Barbara Walters said that this was going to hurt ABC badly. As you know, she works for ABC.

    This should make your blood boil…it DOES mine!

    “ABC NEWS BANS FLAG LAPEL PINS!

    YESTERDAY THE BRASS AT ABC NEWS ISSUED ORDERS FORBIDDING REPORTERS TO WEAR LAPEL PIN AMERICAN FLAGS OR OTHER PATRIOTIC INSIGNIA. THEIR REASONING WAS THAT ABC SHOULD REMAIN NEUTRAL ABOUT ‘CAUSES’.

    SINCE WHEN IS SUPPORT FOR PREVENTING DEATH AND DESTRUCTION SOME SORT OF A ‘CAUSE’? SINCE WHEN IS PATRIOTISM TO BE DISCOURAGED?

    I URGE YOU TO BOYCOTT ABC AND ITS SPONSORS AND AFFILIATES. WE ARE SLOWLY LOSING EVERYTHING OUR COUNTRY STANDS FOR AND EVERYTHING OUR MEN AND WOMEN FOUGHT AND DIED TO PRESERVE! PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO AS MANY AS YOU CAN.

    THIS HAS BEEN VERIFIED THROUGH:

    http://www.snopes.com/rumors/noflags.asp

    THIS ONE NEEDS TO BE CIRCULATED…QUICKLY! BOYCOTT ABC!

    • angel-wanna-be

      Give me a frickin’ break!___I’m gonna do what neighbors of our did and they are DEMOCRATS!___They posted a sign on their property,4 MONTHS AGO…. it states__”STOP AMERICAN SOCIALISM NOW!”

    • Claire

      Airangel—-Is this true? Did they really ban the wearing of flag lapel pins?

    • tedcrawford

      The company I worked for during the 9/11 crisis made the same statement about flags on our hard-hats. The next day almost every man had a flag on their hat! The company backed down!

      • Claire

        Well, come Monday I will be sure to wear my flag pin. I’ll be willing to bet they won’t say one word to me!

        • cr747

          Claire,,
          On the tail section of my planes I have this Hugh UNITED STATES AMERICAN FLAG that the president won’t even look at when landed..I know it chars his but when he has to walk by them,,and see those big Flags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Claire

            cr747– Good for you! If I had a plane I would do the same. I have always had a flag on my van. Not real big, but it is noticeable.

  • chuck b

    a better idea, round up all the liberals and ship them to mexico. that will solve 90% of our problems. we might throw in a few republicans too.

    • angel-wanna-be

      LOOK CHUCK b, We accept & know why a Liberals post on Conservative forums. For the most part it’s just to say stupid sh*t, rustle up the sheep and then report to your liberal news media, that the Conservatives are Fringe lunatics. People would probably be willing to believe some of your rhetoric, but the problem is, the Liberals are the ones in power._The Soros backed Bush bashing is no longer working, so you might as well take your dollies and go home!

      • chuck b

        angel-wanna-be

        your barking up the wrong tree or smoking dummy dust. first off, i’m not a liberal. are you sure you understand what my last post is saying?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          angel,
          Chuck b is one of us!!!

    • http://verizon kbab777

      Actually you are right chuck b.

    • tedcrawford

      If you make that progressives I’m with you 110%

  • http://verizon kbab777

    Round up all the liberals, doe that include you too chuck?

    • http://verizon kbab777

      Correction,Does that include you chuck b?

      • chuck b

        kbab777

        all the liberals with some republicans such as lindsay graham and mitch mcconnel and other wimpy rino’s. its time to clean the country up. and i’ll stay here, thanks.

        • Claire

          chuck b — And I agree with you on this. Round up all of them and throw them out.

  • Enlightened one

    Time… If you go back and look at the polls on healthcare just before The president took office and after the election you’ll see that more than 70 and as much as 77 % favored the reform… It’s because the single payer option wasn’t included that the poll numbers are now so low.. And the fact that The President allowed the republicans to drag it on and on… I believe when eople really findout what’s in the bill and it’s exposed that it’s not socialism or their are no death panels and the rest of the nonsense the rightwing says the bill contains… The polls will pick back up

    • tedcrawford

      The Republicans didn’t stop anything! obama and the democrats had over 9 months with a super majority and couldn’t pass anything! Only a blind person or a left-wing zealot, could fail to realize just how bad this bill must really be!

    • TIME

      EO,
      Political rhetoric during an election, as well such polls taken at that time are not worth the space they take up.
      Once people see how transparent the person who is pushing something truly is – then all the prior polls value’s are gone.

      As I noted after the vote; 70% Plus were against it, that number will only grow, why – the bag of tricks has just been somewhat exposed now and people are not happy with what was in that bag of tricks at all. No its not that they did not think it went far enough that group is so small that its a single diget in value, as in all of 1.52% of the gross number of voters.

      The Republicans did nothing, nor could they have done anything to stop the noted bill, if you have nealry two votes to every one, the smaller vote count has no effect, thus the Republicans had no effect.
      So please stop with the worthless rhetoric that twitts like Katie Q quacks out as fact, its of no value to anyone who has a brain single cell still working.

      Thus your claim about the said Republicans holding back anything – is nul and void.
      It was in fact the Democrats themselfs that held back this plan, and why many Democrats failed to vote for the said bill.

      Those that played games with it like the congress person from MI will pay for his acts by loosing his seat in congress, as well will nearly all who voted for this costly bill.
      Many have already walked away knowing full well they crooked themselfs right out of a job.

      As well until this bills “laws suits” have been settled its not going anywhere.

      Thus as that goes more states will join in with the outstanding law suit over time. As a matter of fact I fell strongly that by December 2010 there will be 30 states if not more that will have joined in this said law suit.

      And by next year thats January 2011 there will be 25% more on top of that number, plus the case will not even get to court perhaps even until 2012 on the early side, and by the time it dose, the State count in the noted Law Suit may be 45 if not all.

      But thanks for your thoughts – saddly they are not accurate.

  • Enlightened one

    I also wouldn’t get to giddy about Obamas low numbers right now….Ronald Reagans were similar at this point……. Also, the low democrats polls don’t mean the countrys ready to embrace republicans, they’re polls are pretty poor also… A lot can happen in the next 6 months and I’d still bet president Obama will beat anyone I see from the right in 2012… But like I said.. Anythings possible.. We all know how fickle this countrys voters can be..

    • TIME

      EO,
      By 2012, BarryO will be “100% exposed” thus he will be leaving the white house, post haste. No matter what the polls say the Mass of American people will VOTE him out of office with ease.

      The numbers are growing daily of those disenfranchised with BarryO’s rhetoric.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Time,
        EO is overlooking one glaring fact!! Obummer is no Reagan!!!! Not even close! Obummer couldn’t light Reagans cigarrette!!!!

    • eyeswideopen

      Eo, all it will take is for the conservatives/repubs to fight Obama on this Nuke treaty and they will known as the party who wants to destroy the earth. Their Hero Ronald Reagan tried to get Nukes banned, as did Bush Sr.but they won’t acknowledge that, they will push forward and prevent the world from downsizing the arsenal held by those we deem to be our foes. Such logic will prevail and when the nukes fall into the hands of terrorists, we have no one to blame but the conservatives/repubs.

      • zack

        eyes uuhh wrong again.The signing of the nuke treaty just lifted Palin ahead of obama and the republicans over the democrats by a some what large margin. Palin made obama look like a whipped mule when the news anchor asked obama what he thought of Palin’s statement. Uh Uh I I Uh Oh Uh I well I want comment right now. Sound like he had a mouth full of $h!T.

  • chuck b

    unlightened one

    the so called 77% when polled had no idea what was in this bill. only the welfare cases would accept the single payer option. you claim this is not socialism? the republicans were right in not voting for this garbage bill and hopefully it will be un-funded if the republicans get a majority this fall. death panels? what do you call it when people can determine what kind of care you should be entitled to beyond what your doctor may request? (death panel). your polling expectations are wrong it is your wishful thinking. this is the democratic waterloo or should i say progressives. the democratic party is of a socialist nature it goes along with their weak mentality

  • American liberal

    The healthcare bill isn’t socialism… You have the choice of keeping the healthcare you have now if you want… You people don’t understand what socialism is… All this bill does is give people access to medical care and coverage if they need it….. You don’t understand that your already paying for people who don’t have insurance …. That’s why your healthcare bills are so high… They should go down on a few years…. Who do you think pays for the uninsured when they go to the emergancy room for treatment?.. You pay.. It’s passed on to you right now.. I don’t know why you don’t understand this… With the healthcare bill they can now see a doctor instead of the very expensive emergency room…. It will be clear soon.. And as more people see the advantage it will become popular… If not then the president will be a 1 term president , you rightys will be happy and the republicans can finish destroying the country..

    • http://?? Joe H.

      amlib,
      Get laid off and go on the government plan and see if you can go back to your plan after you get called back!!!! You will find out that once on the Gov plan you can never go back!!!!

  • chuck b

    you must be delusional if you think this is not going to effect the quality of the care you might be seeking. do you think for one minute this bill is going to reduce your medical costs? it may if you are on welfare, but, you didn’t have cost anyway. this bill is going to raise your tax and lessen the care you may need. your insurance premiums are going to go up on private ins. and the waiting time will be excessive.
    this bill was intended to embrace the illegals. a payback for the latino vote. we did not need this kind of reform, barry needed the tax.
    if you and your liberal friends like the public option so much, then move to canada, a lot of the canadians would like to trade places. then they wouldn’t have to travel to the u.s. for care they couldn’t get at home. of course, you liberals will be willing to pay more for the illegals to get first class care at other peoples expense, not yours. the democrats are on their way out and some of the rino repubs, so enjoy your socialist dream while you can. jose and family will thank you.

    • American liberal

      Chuck… Correct.. My taxes won’t go up.. Neither will yours , unless you’re making 250,000 $ or more…. And Chuck… Have you been living under a rock?.. The bill passed so I don’t need to go to Canada.. And I’m already insured by Cigna.. And guess what?.. I can keep my own insurance… Chuck you don’t understand that your already paying for those that don’t have insurance… That’s right, when those that didn’t have insurance got sick they went to the emergency room to be treated.. Do you understand that the cost of those emergency rooms visits were already passed on to you ?..And Chuck.. I think it would be a better idea if you left America.. I like my President, I like the healthcare bill , I like our goverment and I like our country… Your the one that hates the goverment, hates our country, hates our president and hates America… Chuck, your kind of an oddball… You Tea baggers are only about 20 % of this country .. And of those 20% only half of them are really hardcore nutcases.. The other 10% are just uneducated malcontents… You couldn’t even tell me who’s leading your party..can you?.. So far I’ve just seen nutcases like Sarah ” Hollywood ” Palin and Michelle Bachman… And you know niether one of them has the IQ of used gum… You’re just an angry little boy that’s had to much sugar..

      • TIME

        Nano Witt,
        You don’t work so your tax’s will never go up, now will they? Come on be honest.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        EO, hwat do you think is going to happen to those that went to the ER once in a very great while when care is free for them??? those visits and Dr. visits are only going to increase!!!

  • American liberal

    Theirs also nothing in the healthcare bill that hasn’t already been done By conservatives..in fact a large part of the bill was taken from Mitt Romneys bill… Richard Nixon also tried to do the very samething while he was president….so when you hear these rightys talking about socialism in this bill you know it’s an uneducated Fox news watcher…

  • chuck b

    then, if thats the case, the barry bill was a copy of romneys ? and romneys bill is a failure, the dem libs knew this and still crammed this monstrocity down our throats. thats real logic. don’t you think they could be a little more original than that. face it the health care bill is a flat out failure and the people who wrote it are worse. yes i do watch and listen to fox news and i’ll bet you listen to abc and the other un=american media. you talk about uneducated, most thinking people have turned off the left wing media. you should listen to fox and catch up with the truth.

  • American liberal

    Chuckie… Was Ronald Reagan a liberal when he granted amnasty when he was president?… Or why didn’t Bush do something about illegal immigration.. Because if he had we wouldn’t be having this conversation about immigrants would we…. You’re gonna have to have your tantrum for the next 3 years until the Presidents either voted out or he wins the election…and until you can think of a real candidate your just gonna have to pout…

  • American liberal

    I didn’t like my tax dollars going to fund Bushs Iraqi adventure and I didn’t like Bush borrowing trillions from China, I didn’t like Bush and the republicans running our economy into an economic ditch… So I wentout and worked for the democrats and then for president Obamas campaign and we won… We the people voted in President Obama…. I didn’t pout or threaten anyone.. I worked .. And I’m still working for our president… So Chuckie… All I can tell you is to be a big boy and get out and work .. Stop crying and whining line some spoiled child that didn’t get his way…. We won… You lost… Do you understand how a democracy works?.. Let me tell you, because it appears you don’t understand…. The guys who win ( us) get to push our agenda.. You got your war aginst Iraq, you got your tax cuts for the rich… And now we’ve given those without healthcare access to healthcare… And if you still don’t get it……. Tough…

    • tedcrawford

      If, as you state, you didn’t like bush funding wars, borrowing money from china, and running our economy into the ground, HOW in this, or any other, world can you support an administration that is doing exactlly that, only on steroids??? Now that, my friends, is progressive “logic”, and I rest my case! Remember November!!!

      • TIME

        Hi Ted,
        No Nano Witt – failed in logic so he really can’t quite grasp the idea of logic.
        Its like tossing snow balls at Pluto, it looks good on paper but the application fails every time.

      • eyeswideopen

        tedcrawford, so you logic is that if we do it, it is ok, and we have the option of doing the same thing again in the future, BUT if the opposing party does the same thing we did, then it is WRONG!!! Dude that is some kind of logic, you must have gone to a private college, as they don’t teach that type of illogical reasoning in those liberal colleges.

  • chuck b

    reagan may have made a mistake in granting amnesty to the illegals and the amnesty bill bush was trying to get through was a mistake. the people rose up and stopped it. what is the reason for granting these illegals amnesty? we have laws against what they have done and now we are supposed to turn our heads and say ok everything is forgiven? i don’t think so, they walked into this country now they can walk back or swim i don’t care. most of the people coming in to the u.s. without proper clearance have no allegiance to the u.s. and want to live their culture here and at the same time live on the dole of the taxpayers. send them back. and like i said some of you liberals can go too! lol

    • eyeswideopen

      chuck, the corporations who want cheap labor are the reasons that there is no enforcement of our laws. Gee, who could that be?? It is the same corporations who we subsidze with our tax dollars. Don’t forget it is socialism for the corporations and free market for the middle class. If it wasn’t why do you think that the enforcement has lasped producing our current situation? Let me see, Reagan granted 3.2 million amnesty in 86.Next President a Republican, Bush,– no action, Clinton, dem with repub controlled congress,– no action, Bush repub with repub controlled congress–no action. It appears that the repub mantra of no regulations, no rules, no government interference in the market place or our lives has produced this large quanity of illegal immigrants. So who do you think was against enforcing our laws? Yep, the party in power didn’t want to lose that cheap labor pool of immigrants. Blame yourselves you had the chance and did nothing.

  • American liberal

    If you didn’t think Bushs presidency fascist , and if you didn’t think he trampled allover the constitution, if you didn’t think he ruined this countrys economy and shoved his agenda down are throats then your an idiot… Bushs administration was a mirrored copy of Hitlers Nazis and some of you have the Gall to claim President Obamas taking your freedom?.. By the way.. What freedom has he taken?.. Because we already have states with this samekind of healthcare and like I said you can keep your own insurance if you like … That’s not socialism.. Did any of you think the Patriot act gave the goverment to much power? I did, and still do…. When Bush went around the FISA courts to illegally wiretap… Was that tyranny?… The courts have ruled aginst Bush… And president Obama said he’ll use the Fisa courts for wiretapping and get a warrent.. The proper way…were Bushs secret prisons tyranny?…

  • American liberal

    Bottom line… If you don’t like our president.. Then get off your Butts and work… Because I don’t care what you think… You had your chance and screwed the country bigtime.. If we lose , then I keep working..

    • zack

      American liberal no sense in putting on your working boots now, because the idiots “as you call Bush” like yourself that do not have sense enough to see the writing on the wall that obama the Muslim, and Communist is taking this country to hell, and won’t even salute the American flag, then you need to wake up, because you are a damn MORON if you believe he,”obama” is for America. You can take obama and his Chicago Mafia,and go straight to HELL.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      am lib,
      you obviously DO care what we think or you wouldn’t be here!!! PLEASE CARE A LOT LESS!!!!

  • American liberal

    I haven’t heard President Obama say he’s granting Amnasty yet… In fact I haven’t heard that he’s even made a comment about Graham and Shumers bill yet… If you people would listen to more than Fox news you might have a clue what’s going on… The Hannitys, Becks and Limbaughs make their living riling you up….what amazes me is you can’t see through them… They have zero morals… I understand Michael Steele is being ask to resign over the voyour club deal… I hope he stays on…

    • Regina

      Maybe you should pay more attention to the news yourself. Obama met behind closed doors with these 2 senators already regarding amnesty. He has also given several speeches stating that “immigration reform” was next on his agenda (one speech I watched on CNN, one I watched on C-Span). Please know what you are talking about before you decide to chastise people.

      • zack

        Regina,,,,,,
        Nicely said,,and well put…I have seen,,and heard it on the news to!!!!

  • chuck b

    no! i don’t like your president and i will do everything in my power to help send him back to kenya. i think the only people worried about wiretapping is the subversives in the democratic party. are you so dense to think the govt. is going to tap your phone. how many people are there in this country 330 million and they all would have to worry about their phone being tapped, give me a break! if you break the law then, yes, you should worry and i would hope you do. lastly, bush is not president and hasn’t been for the last fourteen month’s. so pay attention to what barry is up to, you may be sorry if you don’t.

  • American liberal

    And when is Texas gonna leave the Union?… I keep waiting and hoping…..

    • Claire

      Personally, I do not want to see any state secede from the United States of America. I love our states, and I am proud to say I have been to almost every one of them. The people I have met were wonderful. I loved the hospitality, the comaraderie, the food, the environment, and the way people helped me if I got lost. I cannot say enough about the Americans living in these states. Traveling with a bunch of dogs was rather tricky at times and when I would stop at a rest stop to exercise the dogs, people would come up and ask if I needed help!! And the people I encountered were good people, I realized this factor immediately. Not once did I ever encounter a “shady” person. It really saddens me to think any state would not want to be a part of America anymore. What has this world become? What are people thinking? It almost seems like people hate one another and why? Believe me, I know this isn’t a fairyland, I do not live in a dream world, and I do realize the cruelties of the world. I know all of us do not have the same beliefs in religion, politics or other issues. We have to stop, look, and listen. People have to make the best decisions they can regarding elections, including myself. I am afraid for America and the destruction that is happening.

      • Claire

        And with another post of mine, I said round up all illegals and throw them out. Sounds like I am backpeddling in my post above, but I am only concerned for the welfare of America and all Americans.

  • American liberal

    I’d hate to hear about Bush too if I was a republican or conservative….. Why don’t you find a party leader… Either the Tea Baggers or the republicans…. Right now you just have a bunch of loud unorganized nutcases … And while you’re at it you better get a message and solution… Because the Reoublicans have already said they’re going right back to deregulation abd Tax cuts for the top 2 % if they get the goverment back… They learned nothing..

    • zack

      American liberal all you are is a damn motor mouth that KNOWS nothing of what is going on. President Bush led this country a hell of a lot better than the idiot trying to run it now. Tea baggers are gaining momentum and by November you can kiss all the Democrats a$$ goodbye, because they do not stand a chance. Just like a snowball in HELL.

    • TIME

      Nano Witt – You have real fixation with gays now don’t you?
      I see that you post nothing but “VITRIOL” time after time.

      Thus one has to question why that is?

    • eyeswideopen

      American, your bad habit of using tea baggers, is disrespectful. I know you don’t mean to do it, but Please try and call them tea partiers. Thx.

  • American liberal

    I saw Michelle Bachman and Sarah ” Hollywood” Palin yesterday at the Tea Baggers Rally … Talk about funny… I didn’t think it was possible for any two people to possibly be that dumb…. Hannity suggested they Both run for President and Vice prez… I would donate money to their campaign.. I really would .., I can’t think of anything as funny.. And as good for us liberals…you can hear theirs heads rattle when they walk

    • zack

      American liberal you are quite comical yourself. Hell I get so damned tickled reading all your mistakes that I have to prop myself up on my stool to keep from falling off. Sarah Palin would make Obama look like a fairy princess. Not for sure that he is not. He wears womens jeans.

    • TIME

      Nano Witt,
      Thats a statment I can agree with you on – “your head rattles when you walk,” I would hate to be around when you run – it must sound like a bloody freight train.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Time,
        It’s so loud I can hear it over my computer!!! That isn’t easy, either!!! Sounds like gravel in a tin can!!!! Unlike cold griper, I bought the good brand, not the cheap one that you have to buy seven of!!!

      • Regina

        Rattle, rattle, thunder, clatter, boom, boom, boom.

      • zack

        Time>>>
        Probably sounds like a newly wed couple after their transportation has been decorated,,,, you know with all the tin cans tied on to the vehicle!!!!!>>

  • American liberal

    Ronald Reagan…. What a wondeful world it would be without nuclear weapons…..

    • http://?? Joe H.

      rattle, clatter, ting, tang crackle, crackle!!!!!

      • zack

        Bong–Bong–Bong–Bong Honk-Honk–Rattle-Rattle-Rattle–Crash–Bee-Beep!!!!!!!!!!!

  • chuck b

    what made you think they are dumb? they seem like very intelligent women to me and both are very attractive. maybe you don’t understand what they are saying about the present admin. taking our country into a depression with all this deficit spending. did you hear today, the cbo has changed the price of this new hc bill, now its over one trillion not the 800 billion your friends in congress lied about. maybe you just don’t want to hear the truth. sit down and take a rest and think about all this, barry soetoro is runnming this country! that will make you stand up and cry. join the tea party its not too late.

    • TIME

      Chuck,
      Nano Witt, is incapable of letting a woman be a leader, he hates them. Get it. A true Modern Liberal. As in DO as I say – not as I do,
      {If it weren’t for double standards, he would have no standards at all.}

  • American liberal

    Quote:… I could give a flying crap about the political process… This is an entertainment company… Glenn Beck

  • chuck b

    amer lib.
    on your way to canada don’t forget to pay your tax. 12 million illegals are depending on you.

    take a little time and do some research, see how many illegals were shipped out of the country by hoover, truman,and eisenhower it might surprise you.

  • American liberal

    Quote:… Who would ever say” turn the other cheek”….Sarah Palin……….answer … Jesus..new testament..

  • American liberal

    Eisenhower sent supposedly 50,000 illegals home.. Sounds like inflated numers for 800 INS agents…. But good for him… That has what to do with today?.. Tell it to Reagan and Bush…. I don’t get your point… I wasn’t alive in 1951… The hoola hoop was invented , the slinky… And the Fonz picked up chicks at arnolds…

    • TIME

      Nano Witt,
      So lets see you were born in 1999. So what? Most here figured that out a long time ago. Say hi to your mommie for all of us.

    • eyeswideopen

      American, he rounded up 130,000 and approx one million fled out of fear of being caught.

  • American liberal

    Hers a couple better stats for ya Chuckie…. Reagan gave Amnasty to 12 million illegals and Bush totally ignored between 12 and 20 million illegal…….. Here’s another stat…. Iraqi oil didn’t pay for the Iraq war..and it’s cost over 2 trillion dollars..5000 + American lives and 100,s of thousands of Iraq lives….. And we still haven’t been greeted as liberators……940 billion still sound like to much for Americans to have healthcare?..ohhh and the healthcare bills aid for… Thank you top 2%

    • eyeswideopen

      American, Reagan gave amnesty to 3.2 million, not 12 million.

  • American liberal

    Chuckie… You really should surrender… I’ve got half my brain tied behind my back so you have a chance….

    • http://?? Joe H.

      am lib,
      that means you are typing with no brain cause you got less than half a brain!!!! No wonder it’s so easy for us to make you look so bad!!!!

    • zack

      Amer.lib. Yea and the other half is stuck up your Arse. So you have no clue of what you are saying.

  • American liberal

    Chuckie… I’d love to stick around and educate you some more but I’m expected over at Sean Hannitys site… To spread more cheer to my conservative friends..

    • zack

      American lib, it is for sure no one, “that’s no one,” learning anything from you but a bunch of contradictions. You do not know where you $h!t last, unless it was in your pants. You are an Obama reject and obama is a Chicago reject that needs to go back to Keyna where he was born,”got it,” BORN!

  • http://gmail Raindancer

    ALib, is sooo stupid, Omoron is cutting our missles and letting Russia develope new nucular weapon systems, and we will use conventional weapons, that take time to set up and get our ass beat or melted. I really though you had a functioning brain, but all libs must be like roach, keeps on walking with no head, even if removed for a week. All you liberal, socialist, communist loving democrats love illegals, be cause it gives the dems more people to join up with ACORN and corrupt unions for votes, if we loaded them, their offspring and sent them back to Mexico or what ever country they crawled out of, our costs to this counry would start to recover quicker. Illegals work under the table and will never pay taxes except for food or whiskey taxes, never FICA or income taxes you addle brained morons. Of course most of you live in a self induced fog, and don’t use facts, only college derived theories, to advance your liberal ideas. As usual you are following the National Socialist Democrat Party set up by a elquont schooled speaker, who start state healthcare for everyone, untill he got total control,a democrat idol– Hitler, Saul Alensky, and Kuccy Marx!! Put a bounty on illegals. Give the treasury the same amount as the bounty a get you debt paid down. Since goverenment guesses go from 15,000 to over 40,000.

  • chuck b

    raindancer

    amer lib is a juvenile delinquent so don’t pay too much attention in what he says, hes probably repeating what some liberal teacher has injected into his empty skull.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      chuck b,
      Now wait a minute. He’s got half a brain, it’s just tied behind his back as he said above!!! Trying to teach him anything is like going into a shoot-out against a man who has an unloaded gun!!! If you can dodge the thrown gun you can most likely beat him!!!

  • http://aol.com Corinne

    True many illegal immigrants are working. However many more are draining our welfare, overcrowding our jails and have come here for no other reason than the hefty handouts we so willingly provide.

    Amnesty and legalizing 11 million immigrants that have already broken my laws is just another sleezy tactic by obama. Legalizing them will assure him of 11 million additional votes. Does anyone believe he really cares about those people – or for that matter – America?

  • eddie47d

    Corinne, Once again,Obama Did Not create the immigration problem. Yet you pin the blame on him and come up with right wing excuses.Sleazy is what I call your comments! In due time Obama will deal with this issue. Most immigrants who came from Mexico were asked by American businesses. These companies put in their “orders” for humans to work on their projects and they got them. Some immigrants are now taking handouts because people like you have no respect for hard labor. Now they have to live in fear and in the shadows. Yes Obama does care and I have seen nothing to say otherwise. So stop trying to play Pharaoh with human lives. Go dump on the new Pharaohs,for they are the ones who brought these workers to America.

    • chuck b

      eddie47d

      where did you get the information amer. business asked the illegals to come here? that’s not true. if they were asked to come here then most would have jobs. barry is only interested in the latino vote and will
      try to push this bill thru anyway he can, like “healthcare”. years ago the government offered green card visas to the mexican workers and that worked very well, business such as large agriculture farms did have jobs for these people, however, the government restricted these to the amount of labor needed. you can thank the democrats and their union boss’s for stopping this successful program. (gov.brown of calif.) the unions wanted to organize this labor market and control the workers instead of the companies hiring across the border. the ones coming over now are just illegal and for the most part taking advantage of welfare and free med and school. the would be pharaoh is sitting in the white house and he needs the votes.

      • eyeswideopen

        chuck, if you think the unions wanted cheap labor to compete with them, you have lost your mind. When you try so hard to blame the dems, sometimes you just don’t make any sense at all. Try using the facts and it would help. Much as you would like to believe that the dem’s are responsible for all of the worlds ills, unless the repubs have not participated in the past 230 years, there is enough blame for all, including the conserv/repubs.

    • Regina

      Ok Eddie, I will correct you. Originally immigrants were brought in by churches who pursued businesses to give these people jobs. Many of those brought in came here legally. What then happened is they sent home for family members. Those family members found it took too long for them to get their visas so they decided to come here anyway illegally. Yes, many businesses would hire them and pay them cash to get away from paying taxes, health care, etc. These illegals would live with family members who would hide them from the law. Eventually it became so common place that more and more and more came flooding across the border because it was so easy to get here. Obama did not create this situation. Neither did George Bush. It has been going on for a long time. But, business found cheap labor, the government turned a blind eye and eventually Americans paid the price by losing their jobs or having to work for lesser wages. Either way, there is plenty of blame to go around. It is not totally the Republicans fault nor the Democrats. It is both, but mostly the blame lies with business and the illegal immigrants themselves. They are not innocent victims but criminals who broke a country’s laws to come here. You can say what you want but that is the bottom line. And, in order to get welfare benefits what do you think they do? They cannot get them if they are here illegally. So, they knowingly steal someones identity, which is a crime, with no regard for what they are doing to that persons life. Again, they are not the victim. They drive cars with no license and no insurance. It’s illegal and they know it but do it anyway. They have killed, over the course of several years, thousand of people. They are not vicims here either. I can go on if you’d like, but I think you get my point.

      • zack

        Regina;;;;;
        nicely said;;and oh so true******

  • eddie47d

    chuck B.: Your just another fruitcake with no common sense and yes businesses did attract Mexicans to America and have for over a century. This vote getting crap of yours is nothing but Republican spin.The Republicans break things and they want someone else to fix it. They are nothing but slave traders (cheap labor) and will screw the American worker any way they can.

  • Regina

    We currently have the most generous immigration policies of any country in the world. We grant, each month, 150,000 visas to immigrants coming into this country legally. We know who these people are and they are coming here looking for a better life. I cannot comprehend why we are supposed to give amnesty to over 20,000,000 people who did not have enough respect for this country or its laws to come here the same way. 53.7% of immigrants coming into this country are on our social programs. Don’t kid yourself many of those are illegals. How are they getting benefits? They stole someones identity. They don’t just come across the border and that is the only crime they commit. They work under the table for cash. They choose to do it because they don’t want to pay taxes. That will not change if they are given amnesty. In the past 5 years over 1,000,000 women and children have been sexually assaulted by illegal immigrants. Over 30% of our prisons are filled with illegals who came here by breaking our laws and then continued to break laws after they were here. They don’t purchase car insurance and most of that is because they don’t want the expense of car insurance (remember, most have stolen identities and can get car insurance). That won’t change either. They refuse to learn our language, we are supposed to learn theirs. They tend to have large families even though they do not have the ability to support those large families and we taxpayers are expected to pay for it. They want us to cater to their customs instead of learning ours.

    It’s nice to see things through rose colored glasses but eventually you need to take them off. Congress’ job is to look out for the best interests of the American citizens, to abide by and protect the laws of the constitution (they actually take an oath to do that) and to protect the United States of America, it’s sovereignty and its citizens. That is their job. What part of amnesty for 20,000,000 people who have no right to be here is that? Don’t kid yourself, they are not pushing amnesty because it is best, they are pushing it because they see a nice large voting block that will keep them in power because they will vote for a liberal democratic party who keeps the free handouts coming. That is the real reason amnesty is being pushed again. Wake up people.

    • Claire

      I believe most people are awake concerning the subject matter in your post. I don’t think you will find very many people that will disagree with you.

      • Regina

        You are probably right. I was referring to Amy, at the top of the comments. It’s a bit frustrating when people hold onto the “they are just looking for a better life and they take jobs Americans won’t do” theme.

        • Claire

          Regina: I know what you mean. I think the average American that is jobless will work at almost any kind of job just to bring in a paycheck and possible benefits. I know I have been so aggravated with my town for so many years. They never would allow factories or industrial-type business. Now there is no chance of this happening anyway. We have state jobs, but you have to “know” the correct politician in a lot of cases in order to get a job. We have gobs and gobs of department stores, and the city officials “crow” about the jobs they create. The problem is that department stores only hire part-time help and of course no benefits. When a department store closes, and a new one pops up. It is an ongoing cycle. And restaurants! Hundreds of them. And a lot of these places are here today gone tomorrow. I have some friends that work 3 jobs to make ends meet. As far as the administrations go, they all leave a lot to be desired and it is high time all of them straighten up and fly “right.” No pun intended.

        • eyeswideopen

          Regina, the cost of rounding up and transporting that many people, could run into the billions. How would you handle it? Would you use the military? Where would you hold these 12 million? How would you feed them? Would you seperate children from mothers? What would you do with their belongings? What if Mexico didn’t have anywhere for them and refused to take them back? How do we prove them came from Mexico? They have no papers, Mexico could claim they came from another latin country, then what? We have no proof that they came from Mexico. What are your ideas?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            yes google, it could run into billions which is what it is costing us and more by keeping the status quo!!! what about next year or the next and the next???? Do we wait till it will cost trillions??? Trillions in unending social programs or billions in deportaton costs now???

          • Regina

            Yes, the cost of rounding them up and deporting them would cost billions. So what? It costs each state in this country billions each year to take care of them. And, did I say anything about Mexico? Though the vast majority of them come from Mexico, there are people flooding into this country from all over the world. Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, etc included. Not all of them are looking for a better life, some are looking to destroy this country. These people made a conscience choice to come here illegally, knowing that if they were caught they would be deported. While they say they are so poor many of them pay money to people to get them here. How did they get that money if they were so poor? There is also enforcement through attrition which is the best way. The jobs they hold should go to American citizens and legal immigrants first and why would you have to separate mothers from children? All should be required to leave. If they want to come back, fine. They can go through the proper channels to get here. Cumbersome? Yes. Impossible? No. If this sounds hard and cold so be it. We send billions of dollars to countries each year to help their poor. As for Mexico, maybe the government would re-think taking back their citizens if our government told them we would withhold any money we are currently sending to them. Maybe instead of taking in their citizens we should pressure their government to give people basic rights and to financially take care of their own citizens instead of enriching themselves. I don’t have all the answers but I know amnesty does not work. We tried that in 1985. It opened the flood gates. Now, not far over 20 years later they want to do it again. At some point American citizens will run out of money themselves to take care of these people. We cannot save the world, at some point they have to save themselves.

          • Claire

            Joe H and Regina: Both of you are correct in what you have said.

          • eyeswideopen

            regina, we have controlled immigration from all other countries except Mexico. Again, my point being, how do you prove where these people came from? Where do you plan on shipping them back too? How do you do that if Mexico won’t allow it? I am trying to stay on topic of how to solve this situation, I no longer care who caused it, all I know is that both parties have allowed this to get to this horrible situation and if you think of all the problems with removing the immigrants, you see why nobody wanted to touch this mess.

          • eyeswideopen

            Joe/regina, I want to know how you would accomplish the goal of removing them. I want them to go also, so since our representatives don’t have any plans, we need to come up with ideas and present them with options other than amnesty. You don’t have any ideas?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            google,
            If you could read, you would know that I posted a solution to the problem and you either ignored it or couldn’t read it!! I’ll do you a favor and repeat it. Pay attention!! Make E-verify permanent and make it manditory to use it! Levy a healthy fine to ANY company that hires illegals. Make that fine per worker and make it increase with each subsiquent violation. Fine each and every landlord that rents to them and if necessary confiscate their property. Also make the schools and hospitals use E-verify as well. Once the allure of employment, healthcare, apartments, and schooling is gone, they will self deport!!! After I posted this, I thought of one other thing as well. Put all politicians that set up sanctuary cities in jail!!!

          • Regina

            Joe:

            Sorry it’s taken so long to get back to you. I too believe that one of the easiest ways is through e-verify. As I also said before, the vast majority of these people do come from Mexico. They leave relatives, children, friends behind. They also have to use ID’s of some sort there to prove who they are. As I also said if Mexico won’t take them back, make it very painful for Mexico because of it. They will change their minds. We can also send some sort of financial aid to the country for a while. It will cost a lot less than keeping them here. After that, it is up to Mexico to take care of their own. Besides the fact that once we dry up the money which they, in turn, send back to their country, Mexico will take their citizens back. Right now they have no incentive. They receive over $2 billion dollars from the people who live here illegally.

            I also agree that you make it very painful for business to hire them, landlords to rent to them and impossible for them to get foot stamps and free money. They will self deport. Keep another thing in mind. Only 5% of the illegal or legal workers work currently in agriculture. Our food costs will not go through the roof because of it.

        • zack

          Claire;;;
          That is so true….It has gotten so bad with the immigrants in my home town,,that they will stand in line all night on Sunday nights to get an application to the chicken factory close to town..Something about the employment agency only gives out like 25-30 apps..

          There has been feuding,,,,,and fighting over who was there first……………..

          • Claire

            zack — This is exactly why this administration should get on the ball and deal with this problem. This administration has to deal with this problem now since it has been passed to them. And they should not grant amnesty. The taxpayer is bearing the brunt of this problem and it is time to stop it. If they have to send troops out to round them up, so be it. To me, this has become a matter of self-preservation for the American people and America. Sure, it will cost billions but we are paying that NOW. And this rant probably sounds cruel but my loyalty is with America and all Americans, first and foremost. Enough is enough.

          • Claire

            zack–Another tidbit. A few years ago, my aunt and uncle in Wisconsin said there was a house across from theirs sold to several Hmong families. The next thing they knew the neighborhood cats and dogs were missing. The neighbors reported it to the police and the police found the bones in the Hmongs’ garbage. They found out these Hmongs were catching these pets and eating them. The neighbors raised hell and the Hmongs moved away, thankfully for my aunt and uncle. I am not saying illegals eat dogs and cats but one never knows.

          • zack

            Claire,
            we also have that same problem back home where I am from..Some of the people are pretty wealthy,,and they have some expensive pets that come up missing.. I think though they are stealing them and selling them out of state. Haven’t heard anything on them finding any bones in their trash. People are wiseing up though;;and taking their pets outside, and staying with them when they have to go out!!!!!!

  • chuck b

    eddie47d

    try to refrain from calling names it only shows ignorance and a lack of ability to communicate. the majority of the illegals are not being asked here by big business. they are coming here illegally for what they can get, illegal welfare. you apparently don’t understand, like most liberals it is just a natural way of life living off the government. your pharaoh needs the votes, get it!

    • eyeswideopen

      chuck, Mexico has a universal healthcare program to be fully implemented in 2011. Hopefully, they will see that their program is better than ours. Our congress let us down, in 1986 we were supposed to have gotten more border patrols, and it took 8 years for them to fund the money and then we only got an additional 650 guards. BS to the max.

      • chuck b

        hi eyes wide shut

        • eyeswideopen

          Hey, chuck, do you remember the Mariel Boatlift in Miami, in 1980? 125,600 cubans came over in a five month period of time and that city had to absorb all those immigrants? Do you have any idea how many cubans who have never worked a day in this country get SS benefits?
          For some reason that fact is always downplayed. There are more than just that 125k receiving benefits, millions to be exact. I moved from Miami in 86 as the drug wars and killings were getting to be too much.

          • libertytrain

            Another thank you for Jimmy Carter —- we’ll be paying for your presidency for a long, long time.

  • Jules

    Just One State – be sure and read the last part..
    This is only one State……………..If this doesn’t open eyes, nothing will!
    From the L. A. Times
    1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
    This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
    2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
    3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
    4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
    5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
    6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
    7… The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
    8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
    9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
    10. In L.. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.. (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County ..)
    (All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)

    Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ‘ annual population growth(and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens .
    If this doesn’t open your eyes nothing will, and you wonder why Nancy Pelosi, Democratic Party and Obama wants them to become voters!
    We are fools for letting this continue. HOW CAN YOU HELP? No Amnesty

  • kate8

    Thanks for pointing that out, Jules.

    Having spent my life in a small California town, we had very little
    crime here. I went on may hikes in the woods by myself, never giving it a thought. Didn’t need to worry about locking doors.

    Since the illegals started swarming in, we now have high crime rate,
    our woods are full of illegals growing marijuana (several people have
    been shot because they happened upon these pot farms while hiking),
    drugs are rampant, and there are neighborhoods which are no longer safe for us to go into.

    Our quality of life here has been affected in so many ways.

    Yeah. Just good folks looking for a better life. At the expense of the American citizen.

  • Palin12

    We should barbed wire on top of the fence, and if that doesn’t work put tasers along it that will stun the hell out of them!

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