Exceptionally Incompetent Obama Has The Temerity To Talk About Exceptionalism

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Last month, Russian President Vladimir Putin wrote an opinion piece in The New York Times that was contrary to President Barack Obama’s mantra that America is exceptional.

Some of my friends were outraged at Putin’s remarks. After all, Putin is an ex-KGB thug and a dictator who controls Russia. He also has hang-ups about homosexuals. He has waged war on his neighbors and has been ruthless in expanding Russia’s influence. Yet was Putin wrong to write:

It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”

But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

Let’s focus on what Putin did not say. He did not say that Russia is exceptional. He said that America is no longer exceptional. It is a big difference, and the best way I know how to explain it is with a personal story.

One man in my group of friends 20 years ago was a gifted individual. He was handsome, had a degree from Yale and had been a competitive pianist and swimmer. He was even related to Hollywood royalty. One day after a group of us finished playing golf, he announced: “I have an exceptional body! I’m 6 feet tall and weigh 168 pounds.” I started laughing. Back then, I was in pretty good shape and so were the rest of my friends. His outburst cracked me up, and he was outraged: “What!? Myers, you think you have an exceptional body?” I told him that no, I never ever thought that and that just because I didn’t agree that his body was exceptional didn’t mean that I thought mine was.

Yet Obama tells the world that, under his Presidency, America is exceptional: his America, which has yet to recover from an ongoing recession; his country, which is troubled with worse race relations than it has been in 50 years; and his Nation, which is more politically divided than ever.

I have no doubt that, given the President’s ego, he is like that friend at the golf course with the exceptional body; both have been told they are exceptional their entire lives. But just because Obama believes he is exceptional doesn’t make it so.

Rather than exceptional, Obama has been unacceptable. Under Obama, America has become the biggest creditor and the largest debtor in the world. And when loans ran out (first from domestic creditors and then from foreign creditors), Obama has allowed the Federal Reserve to print as much money as needed just the way a Latin dictator would. No wonder that under Obama, America has seen its middle class decline while crime and poverty rates have soared.

Once Upon A Time

There was a time when America was exceptional. Yet in the past 50 years, Washington has thrust America into three insurgent wars. With the greatest fighting men and women in the world and the best military technology ever invented, America has lost one war (Vietnam) and at best eked out two ties (Iraq and Afghanistan). All that righteous intervention has cost the United States more than $10 trillion in inflation adjusted dollars and led to the deaths of more than 55,000 young Americans.

Given the spillage of red ink and American blood, it is hard for this writer to see how America has been exceptional since the 1960s, a decade when the Nation was a shining example to the rest of the world.

Now we are at the brink of default, with the Federal government unable to even function. What stands out most is a President who may secretly be a Muslim, who may not have been born in the United States and who rules more like a monarch than an elected leader.

Presidents before Obama refused to negotiate with terrorists. Obama has no qualms with talking with terrorists like Iranian President Hassan Rouhani and the government he represents in Tehran, but won’t sit down with Republicans.

Our Federal government has shut down. America could yet default. Yet Obama and many other Democrats and Republicans believe they have not just a right but an obligation to tell other nations that speak different languages, have different cultures and customs, and are afflicted by different problems, how to best fulfill their destinies. To some countries that have to hear advice from America, it must seem like listening to a marriage counselor who has been through three divorces.

Writing for TomDispatch.com, Tom Engelhardt may have said it best:

Barack Obama is only the latest in a jostling crowd of presidential candidates, presidential wannabes, major politicians, and minor figures of every sort, not to speak of a raging horde of neocons and pundits galore, who have felt compelled in recent years to tell us and the world just how exceptional the last superpower really is. They tend to emphasize our ability to use this country’s overwhelming power, especially the military variety, for the global good — to save children and other deserving innocents. This particularly American aptitude for doing good forcibly, by killing others, is considered an incontestable fact of earthly life needing no proof.

How American Can Once Again Become Exceptional

The first thing that the United States needs to do is put its own house in order. That means getting back to the very roots that made America great. This means cutting taxes, getting government off people’s backs and rebuilding the economy. It means growing the middle class and focusing on growth while not shoving expensive legislation like Obamacare down the throats of tens of millions of Americans who don’t want it.

It also means electing a President who can get along with people and Congressmen who are willing to compromise to meet America’s goals and who are not obsessed with surviving the next election cycle. It mostly means dumping Democrats who think any humanitarian intervention is noble and Republican neocons who want to reshape the world in America’s image.

First and foremost, it means a return to American isolationism. It means the end to all foreign aid and any interference in the internal politics of other nations, particularly in the Mideast. It means making Israel stand on its own two feet.

It is not too late for America to again be exceptional, but it will mean hardship. We are already seeing that Washington has little ability to shape events in places like Syria, Egypt and even Iraq. Change also means a down and dirty fight with the American Jewish lobby who believe that America was put on Earth to support Israel from its inception throughout eternity.

There will be costs to becoming isolationist. It won’t be cheap or easy. Taxes should fall because less will have to be spent on the military. But higher energy prices, especially for gasoline, are a given. Withdrawal from the Mideast may mean the loss of cheap Mideast oil. It will be costly to replace, and it won’t be as clean. It will mean importing oil sands from Canada, using more domestic coal, oil and natural gas reserves. Most of all it will mean that new leaders in Washington will have to stand up to the military-industrial complex, which has been making a killing for 50 years by supporting candidates who are more warmongers than lawmakers.

If we take these steps, America can again be exceptional. Think about it and then decide. Ask yourself if you are willing to send your child or grandchild into another war. Ask yourself if fretting about global warming is more important than seeing your child or grandchild have a good career and a productive future. Ask yourself if you believe that if Islam is left alone, they will leave us alone.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers

P.S.: Many great powers in decline labeled themselves as exceptional, including Rome, Spain and Great Britain. A good understanding of the history this can be found reading Paul Kennedy’s The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers.

Personal Liberty

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Harold Olsen

    Barack Hussein Obama and the Nazi Democrats’ refusal to sit down and negotiate over the government shutdown, in my opinion, demonstrates conclusively their hatred of the country and its people. If they truly did care about the country and its people, they’d be screaming to sit down and negotiate. The America-hating left are showing their true colors. Take off your blinders people and see the truth!

    • vicatman

      the thing that I just can understand is how is it that so many left wingers have become so wealthy in our free market economy want to destroy the very system that allowed them to make all their money in the first place.

      • duif100

        Because they did not make that money honestly and are afraid that it will be taken away by other scoundrels!

      • John Woodbury

        Because they have theirs and they do not want you to get yours, as that may cause people to reject the government tit for a real job.

      • Elton Robb

        They are idealistic. They want to make an utopia. However for them, the ends justify the means. They want to bring the entire system down that has made them wealthy so that they can build a utopia from the ashes. The only problem is, you need a Being who is Immortal and has the attributes of being Just, Fair, and Merciful in all of his ways in order to lead us. This Being is a perfect Man who follows the Law of Cause and Effect and uses the Law of Cause and Effect.

      • Bill

        Good analogy, vicat

    • Doc Sarvis

      The GOP got the spending levels it wants on the CR (the levels of the sequester) – move on.

      • John Woodbury

        Hey Doc do you get paid to lie by the word or the post? Could you recommend me to you employers, I can lie as well as you can and pull “facts” out of my rear. President Obama was the idea man on the Sequester, but fellow travelers and loony liberals have tried to pin it on the Republicans. Now there is a great effort to pin ACA on Republicans as well. See would you rather I was a paid shrill for your side instead of an opponent?

        • Jack

          John Woodbury:

          I am curious, who the heck is trying to blame the Republicans for ACA (in case you don’t know, this is Obamacare). I have never heard anyone trying to blame the Republicans for Obamacare so that’s a new one on me.

      • FreedomFighter

        The Truth?
        You cant handle the truth.

        Laus DeoSemper FI

        • Doc Sarvis

          I always DO.

        • Doc Sarvis

          And by the way, Semper FI.

    • FreedomFighter

      Agree
      Obama has such contempt for the American citizen, as to lie bold faced like a psychopath…The House passes a bill to fund the government except ObamaCare….Obama promises a VETO, then blamed the “usual suspects” for the government shutdown, when he personally is sole person shutting down the government — ObamaCare is not government.
      Then he kept out WWII vets and Viet Nam Vets and let illegals protest… the acts of a dictator or the Insane. IMHO Obama is acting in a desperate mode, his back politically is against the wall. In such situations men tend to do desperate things.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • Daniel F. Melton

        I can see “o”boy with his back against a wall, a final cigarette between his lips and a blindfold over his eyes…

        • chocopot

          From your mouth to G-d’s ears…

          • Daniel F. Melton

            I’d settle for the republican leadership listening.

        • John

          Doesn’t he sign your paychecks? Ouch.

          • Daniel F. Melton

            never has, never will.

          • John

            Liar! You love to say the buck stops with him, but not with this? Hypocrite!

    • Paul

      Harold, as long as people like you keep bashing either party, things will get worse. We MUST unite as a people and stand against our real enemy; GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL! I assure you both sides are guilty and they use it against us to separate us! You’ve fallen into the same trap most people are in. This is OUR nation and OUR people. It is NOT this government’s nation. We must remind them who is their boss!

  • Seeker1212

    Great Article, tells it the way it is. America and its Tyrannical Government:.

  • WTS/JAY

    Listening to the mainstream media and the dominant party in D.C. this week would lead one to believe that the earth would quit revolving on its axis, the sun would no longer rise, and all life forms would cease to exist if the government was shutdown. But low and behold, life continues, and one can’t help but feel just a little more free, although even that is undoubtedly illusory.

    While opinions may vary regarding who gets the credit for curtailing spending by shutting down non-essential federal government functions for a few days or weeks, most of the credit must be ascribed to the president and the Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid. After all, they were the ones who decided that the spending bills passed by the House were not to be even considered in the Senate; all twelve of them, to date.

    Harry Reid actually had the audacity to say of the House, “Who are they that they can pick and choose what programs to fund or not to fund?” As is the case with most who belong to his political party, the good senator should acquaint himself with the U.S. Constitution, which specifically states that all spending bills originate in the House. As such, the House has every right to decide what to fund and what not to, and is fulfilling its constitutional duty in the process. If Reid had any integrity or backbone whatsoever, he’d take up a version of one of the House’s resolutions and at least bring it to the floor for a vote. Since he refuses to do so, the credit for extending the quasi-shutdown is all his and the president’s, as they refuse to even consider anything that varies from their desires.

    What’s most perplexing about the positions of the House and the Senate is in how the priorities of one party are somehow less important, hence negotiable, while the other’s is not. The president and the Senate are obdurate in their resolve to not accept anything but a complete funding of government. The House has some divisions even within the Speaker’s party over funding Obamacare. Yet the media and the liberal punditry seem to think that the only ones who should capitulate are those in the House. Granting the benefit of the doubt to both parties that their positions are based in principle, why is one principle deemed negotiable while the other’s is not?

    If the funding and operation of Obamacare is so critical to governmental operations, according to the governing party, why has the president by fiat simply changed certain implementation dates and requirements? The fact that he’s granted over 1,000 waivers, mostly to unions and political allies, and by the stroke of his pen delayed the employer mandate by a year, clearly evidences that the health care law is not inviolable. Yet he and Reid will not even consider a spending bill that includes a one-year delay in the individual mandate. It appears that a delay in implementation is only a good idea to Obama if it’s his idea or it benefits his benefactors…

    continued: http://www.westernjournalism.com/paid-vacations-800000-government-sponges/

  • dan

    one could ,make the argument that Sodom and Gomorrah were exceptional…
    or that we’re well on the way to becoming an exceptional
    economic train-wreck…
    but the results of giving the irresponsible and undisciplined an unlimited
    credit card are all too typical

  • ONLYJB1

    Great article! All of these returns would actually be very simple. There is one other problem that needs to be addressed and will prove to be the most difficult. That is changing the mind set of the entitled in America. A rough estimate of the entitled in America is 50% of the population. They have been indoctrinated for generations that the government or this country owes them something for nothing. This will be the most daunting problem of return to exceptionalism.
    The question is how to ween from the government teet 50% of your population and make them accountable for their own livelihood? It’s taken 60 years to reach the current point, but time to change is now.

    • Paul

      OnlyJB1, the best way to deal with entitlement issues is to remind the people how it came to be in the first place. It infuriates me when I hear all the DEMANDS for free stuff without any regards to who is paying for it. We need a full fledge campaign to remind them where the money comes from. As a wealthy nation, the people of the US felt compassionate about helping the poor, the old and the handicapped people that cannot care for themselves. ALL entitlement programs are a GIFT form the working people out of compassion for them! When did this change? What happened to saying “thank you” to the tax payers instead of DEMANDING from us? Human nature can be very disgusting.

      • Bill

        Good analogy, Paul
        Obama and his merry Marxists have created a power base with the entitlement crowd. Now, a smart person would keep the cash flow coming by promoting the cash cow (private sector), and they could keep it going. By they are killing the cash cow and still trying to give freebies to the entitlement crowd. That sounds like a formula for failure

      • ONLYJB1

        Paul, great comment! You seem to have an understanding of the problem we as a nation face!
        I’m sorry to say that WE as a nation have allowed this “safety net” to get completely corrupted and out of control! But, what else can we expect from a government controlled agency! A program that began as a safety net has become standard practice and a livelihood for so many!

    • Elton Robb

      What we need is a Spirit of humility amongst the people. That can only happen, now, through war on our soil and our shores. The depression isn’t working on a majority of the people.

      • ONLYJB1

        E.R., please be so careful what you wish for! I along with many have predicted battle on our own soil. If things get really bad, those that depend on the government for their living will be rioting and stealing everything they need to survive. The taking of those that have! As this winds down we will face the secondary wave of battle and that will be the war with all the muslim radicals that live here and just across our borders!

        • Elton Robb

          I’m not wishing, it’s been ordained.

        • ONLYJB1

          Ordained? I understand your reference here. I just pray not! It doesn’t have to be. I do realize what we may be facing here, but I don’t believe it to be the beginning of the end of times. We the people have a fight ahead of us and it will be violent. We have to remove the radical socialist forces from our country and the radical islamist muslims. I truly believe we must become isolationist. We need to take a breath from the rest of the world.
          We must get our house back in order first! If we want to lead the world, then we must right ourselves. When our nation is back to reality, the rest of the world will become jealous and want to follow in our foot steps.The only way to lead is by example and this is what we must do! And do now!

    • KG

      How many of your parents or grandparents are on Social Security? Are you going to take them in to care for them when you take away their pension? How about the crippled lady down the street? Are you going to take her in and care for her as well?

      You are a selfish self-centered egocentric Pharisee.

      May G-d have mercy on your soul.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You’re mixing apples and oranges, Cagey. Those who actually paid in to Social Security should surely get what they were forced to pay for. But future generations should not be Forced to contribute to the bankrupt Social Security Ponzi Scheme.
        http://mises.org/daily/5658/Is-Social-Security-a-Ponzi-Scheme
        The “self-centered egocentric” people are those Socialist Progressives who Forced people into the Social Security Ponzi Scheme which Obama is now using as a Political Threat:
        http://theoptimisticconservative.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/obama-threatens-vets-pensions-social-security-checks/
        http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/barack-obama-threatens-social-security-recipients/
        Just as in the case of Social Security — thanks to dishonest Government fund managers — the “Affordable Care” is going to have to rest on the shoulders of the young:
        http://finance.yahoo.com/news/health-care-laws-success-rests-040100677.html

        • KG

          Social Security, from it’s onset was understood to be an INSURANCE program. It’s called Social Security Insurance for a reason.

          It is NOT a ‘retirement’ system in the sense that assets are invested and the equity earned in those assets help pay for investors. It is a ‘pay-as-you-go’ type system for one main reason. To de-couple retirement funds from Wall Street.

          It was the destruction of private retirements in the 1929 crash that propelled America to find an alternative to liquidity trading to fund retirements for old and sick people. Instead of investing in the stock market, SS is invested in the labor of the ENTIRE COUNTRY. Everyone who works for a living pays into SS. Even all of the so-called ‘lucky duckies’ who pay no income tax still pay SS tax. As long as there are people working, Social Security wil ALWAYS be there.

          Has the successful Social Security funds been mismanaged? Yes and No. Yes, in the fact that Republicans used that excess fund to finance the latter stages of the Cold War under Reagan. And No, in the fact that the so-called IOU’s in the Social Security coffers are still worth some 290 Billion dollars – a big chunk of them owned by Chinese investors.

          • vicki

            So like obamatax it is a forced insurance program. How nice.

          • KG

            No one said you HAD to pay into it, you can work the next 20 years and not pay a dime. Of course, when you do want to retire, you will not have the credits to claim SS. So, it’s up to you. Many people who were really smart did that when Reagan told everybody that SS was going to disappear. But now, those same people are retirement age now and would LIKE to retire, but, unfortunately, since they had more faith in the stockmarket instead of their Government, they CAN NOT RETIRE.

            All from a little lie from the ‘Great Communicator’.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re a liar, Cagey. We are bound by law to pay into the SS system.
            http://www.ehow.com/info_8539334_social-security-voluntary-mandatory.html

          • KG

            You are a liar. My ex-wife was a high school health teacher with LAUSD and since she was eligible for 501B retirement funds, she didn’t have to pay SS if she didn’t want to. If you get paid under the table (like a majority of non-union construction workers) then you don’t pay any FICA taxes either.

            My ex-wife’s situation is explained in the last sentence of myth 1.

            http://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths.html

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re a liar, KGB.
            You said — “No one said you HAD to pay into it, you can work the next 20 years and not pay a dime”.
            And I proved that wrong. You didn’t say anything about the few exceptions that exist.
            http://www.socialsecurity.gov/history/InternetMyths.html

          • KG

            The truth is there are many people who don’t pay the FICA tax and get away with it. I personally know a few independent business types (one was a professional gardener, the other an auto repair mechanic) who worked for decades and didn’t pay any FICA taxes. My gardener friend had to quit work due to complications from diabetes and, in spite of not paying ant SS taxes, still qualified for disability SS. He only gets about $800 dollars a month, but it’s better than nothing.

            The world is a lot bigger than the Von Misies website!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The world also has many lying Shills, KGB, and you’re one of them.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You’re equivocating, Cagey, and you know it. That’s why I proclaim you to be Evil. You purposely try to jerk people around. Unfortunately, I think you are the norm for Liberal Progressives.

          • KG

            What have I tried to hide? it would seem as though YOU have something to hide – like the Fascist roots of Heer Von Misies?

            I was searching the interwebs and found this speech by Thomas J. DiLorenzo. I find the concept of ‘Economic Nationalism’ as akin to wanting to buy America made goods and services. What I really found interesting is that Mr Tom never mentions once why Hamilton’s outlook on America’s economic future was based on. While Thomas Jefferson was convinced that America was to be a nation of Yeoman Farmer Intellectuals, like himself and like the South was at the time of Americas founding, Hamilton saw Americas future as Industrial and Urban. And, as such, since many industrial undertakings require copious amounts of Capital, Hamilton naturally assumed that the power of the State – we the People – could assist in this undertaking thereby benefiting everyone in our Commonwealth.

            I would argue that Hamiliton’s ideas were not ‘Fascist’ in the sense of 20th century Fascism but as patriotic economic syndicalism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Nor is it “insurance”. Insurance is meant to protect you from unforseen uncommon events. Everybody grows old.
            The stock market crash was a direct result of Government meddling. Without the Federal Reserve distorting the money supply with Fractional Banking, the crash would have likely not occurred and it certainly would have not resulted in a Great Depression that lasted well over 10 years.

          • KG

            It’s easy to play Monday Morning Quarterback. All I know is that whatever ‘force’ that was propelling capitalism just ‘gave up’. The thought at the time was that the profitability of business played its course. There were no incentives to invest in anything – kinda like it is now. Capitalists cannot exist in a world of limits. Unless you receive double-digit returns on something, no one seems to want to invest in it. The era of double-digit returns is probably over.

            However, if the money that’s tied up in rich peoples tax shelters were to be invested in infrastructure and that it be built Union, with the circulation of money, general prosperity would return to America – like it did after the ‘devastating’ tax increases of the Clinton era.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Cagey,
            Real Capitalism requires Free Markets, Sound Money, and rigid Property Rights. We have had none of those since the Progressives took over in the late 1800s.
            So quit blaming things on Capitalism.
            http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

          • KG

            Do you really believe America was a ‘Capitalist Paradise’ before 1880? Lets see how many times capitalism had failed before then :

            The Long Depression of 1873 – 1885: Includes the Panic of 1873 and Recession of 1882
            The Panic of 1857
            The Panic of 1837 followed by the Depression of 1839
            The Recession of 1825 – 1826
            The Recessions of 1822 – 1823
            The Depression of 1815 – 1821
            The Depression of 1807
            The Recession of 1802
            The Panic of 1797

            I know I have showed you this list before and you seem to always discount its inevitable conclusion. However, I would not argue for a complete removal of free enterprise if it were regulated as much as Labor unions are regulated today.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            And I’ve refuted your claims before, Cagey. Especially the so-called “Long Depression” which was mis-characterized by Court Historians who had no knowledge of Economics.
            “Orthodox economic historians have long complained about the “great depression” that is supposed to have struck the United States in the panic of 1873 and lasted for an unprecedented six years, until 1879. Much of this stagnation is supposed to have been caused by a monetary contraction leading to the resumption of specie payments in 1879. Yet what sort of “depression” is it which saw an extraordinarily large expansion of industry, of railroads, of physical output, of net national product, or real per capita income? As Friedman and Schwartz admit, the decade from 1869 to 1879 saw a 3-percent-perannum increase in money national product, an outstanding real national product growth of 6.8 percent per year in this period, and a phenomenal rise of 4.5 percent per year in real product per capita. Even the alleged “monetary contraction” never took place, the money supply increasing by 2.7 percent per year in this period. From 1873 through 1878, before another spurt of monetary expansion, the total supply of bank money rose from $1.964 billion to $2.221 billion—a rise of 13.1 percent or 2.6 percent per year. In short, a modest but definite rise, and scarcely a contraction”.
            http://archive.mises.org/13120/krugman-and-the-long-depression-myth/

            The other “Depressions” were caused by Government folly, not by Free Market Capitalism.

          • KG

            The US as a political entity had a lot of free land in the 1800’s to tide things over. The problem with the Austrian pov is the blind faith of the smut peddler. They act like finance will be a well behaved creature that doesn’t need any rules and just high reserve requirements. How stupid can they be? Not only will bankers, financiers and other “walks of finance” move to make money, destroying the high reserve system, they will create shadow economies just like they did in the 19th and 21st centuries if not overseen with rules strictly enforced. That is how they work.

            The fact is, the Austrian movement got beaten up pretty good in the early 30’s and it has been whining ever since then. The fact is, without labor buying up the capitalist’s goods, there is no demand and you have depressions and failed systems. It doesn’t matter if you have hard currency, soft currency, split currency. Whatever. Allowing limitless speculation is just bad.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Cagey says — “They act like finance will be a well behaved creature that doesn’t need any rules and just high reserve requirements. How stupid can they be?”.
            Cagey, I don’t believe you are that ignorant. Rather I believe that you are purposely trying to mislead people. Free Markets does not mean “Free for All”. It means people voluntarily trade with one another in an honest manner. The rules that the Banks would abide by would be the rules that they and their customers agreed to. You know, Cagey, Voluntary Contracts as opposed to the Force that you Socialists advocate.
            If a Bank was Fraudulent, that is — it didn’t abide by it’s contract — then it would be matter for Court to decide.
            As it is now, the “rules” allow banks to lend out 10 times the amount of money they actually have asset backing for. In other words, those wonderful regulations allow them to conduct Fraudulent business. In an Austrian world, Banks could only give out money receipts for the amount of Gold they actually had in their vaults.

            Cagey says — “The fact is, without labor buying up the capitalist’s goods, there is no demand and you have depressions and failed systems”.
            Again with the nonsense. There is always demand. We all demand as much as we can get. What there isn’t always is product to buy. Somebody has to produce those things. Whether you “demand” them or not is meaningless if you have nothing to trade for them (goods, services, or money).
            If Demand drove Markets, there would be no poor countries because everybody demands things.

          • KG

            quote:It means people voluntarily trade with one another in an honest manner.

            ROTFLMAO! AFK! BRB! LOL! LTR!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Like the Shill Buffoon that you are, Cagey.

          • Ed Burns

            YES!!! Social Security has been mismanaged and robbed by both the Republicans and the Democrats, read this:

            The Republicans have convinced a large percentage of voters that America it is in trouble, NOT because IT wastes 20% of the annual budget on wars of aggression and Homeland Security porn-scanners, but because of the poor and retirees. Republicans regard Social Security as an “unfunded liability,” that is, a giveaway that is interfering with our war-making ability.

            Alas, Social Security is an unfunded liability, because all the money working people put into it was stolen by Republicans and Democrats in order to pay for wars and bailouts for mega-rich bankers like Goldman Sachs.

            Between 1984 and 2009 the American people contributed $2 trillion, that is $2,000 billion, more to Social Security and Medicare in payroll taxes than was paid out in benefits.

            What happened to the surplus $2,000 billion, or $2,000,000,000,000.

            The government spent it.

            Over the past quarter century, $2 trillion in Social Security and Medicare revenues have been used to finance wars and pork-barrel projects of the US government.

            Depending on assumptions about population growth, income growth and other factors, Social Security continues to be in the black until after 2025 or 2035 under the “high cost” and “intermediate” assumptions and the current payroll tax rate of 15.3% based on the revenues paid in and the interest on those surplus revenues. Under the low cost scenario, Social Security (OASDI) will have produced surplus revenues of $31.6 trillion by 2085.

            This is an excerpt from an article by Dr. Paul Craig Robert a former Assistant Secretary of Treasury under Ronald Reagan. Read the full article here: http://paulcraigroberts.org/2011/03/09/stealing-from-social-security-to-pay-for-wars-and-bailouts/

      • WTS/JAY

        KG is confused. He would like us to believe that SS is a government hand-out, rather than, handed-out, by the government. He would like us to believe that he has no idea that SS is primarily funded through dedicated payroll taxes called Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax (FICA). Tax deposits are formally entrusted to the Federal Old-Age and Survivors Insurance Trust Fund, the Federal Disability Insurance Trust Fund, the Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, or the Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund which comprise the Social Security Trust Fund. Of course, cagey knows better. Btw, notice the first letters of both words side by side= SS…?

        • Jack

          WTS/JAY:

          Do you have problems with comprehension? KG never said anything about SS being a government handout.

          He said:

          “quote: They paid into SS…

          Yes, just like every single person that works in America.”

          • WTS/JAY

            Do you have a problem with comprehending your dishonesty, Jack? You have written nothing but lies since you got on this site.

      • vicki

        KG writes:

        How many of your parents or grandparents are on Social Security?

        Not relevant. They paid into SS and it is THEIR money taken from them at (government) gunpoint.

        You are a selfish self-centered egocentric Pharisee.

        Ad hominem

        May G-d have mercy on your soul.

        May G-d have mercy on thieves like you who use government to take money (steal) from others to pay for YOUR pet charities.

        Oh and you forgot to mention if the little old lady is on SS.

        • KG

          vicki – you may be an expert grammarian, but exhibit the proclivities of a puerilian.

          quote: They paid into SS…

          Yes, just like every single person that works in America. But, Social Security is NOT a retirement plan. It is INSURANCE. You pay premiums and if you need it when you get old or sick, there is something there for you. The worth of Social Security is invested in the entire workforce of America. That’s why it’s a pay-as you-go system.

          • vicki

            Interesting difference. You MIGHT get sick. You WILL get old. So a really dumb insurance plan. But then we knew that from the onset as it is a government program.

          • Jack

            Vicki:

            I hope you are rich and in good health when you get to be 65 . Otherwise you are going to look back at your life and wonder how you could have been so stupid about things like Social Security and Medicare.

            KG is right about Social Security. It has a disability part (if you can’t work), it has coverage for your children and your spouse and if you live long enough it has benefits to help you in your old age.

          • KG

            OK Vicki, I guess all of your investments have performed perfectly and you are sitting on a pile of cash. Good for you. So, now, all the SS money you paid has helped your neighbors child who was born with palsy. Does that make you feel any better? If not, then you are a selfish pharisee.

            quote: ..you MIGHT get sick.
            Do you live on Planet Earth? The older you get, the more likely you WILL suffer something. Just from the effect of growing old, infirmities are going to set in. Do you really think you are so special that sickness will not visit you? I guess you eat the same crap that Bob does.

  • duif100

    You call Putin a thug but to me he comes across as an adult and much more civilized than Obama.
    Just look at what that little gnat we call president has done to the people as a result of the shut down!
    He imposes pain on the people for his personal enjoyment and lowers himself to insult and mistreat the people who gave their lives for American freedom.
    Obama is far worse then Putin. Obama is just a little bit more sophisticated about the method he uses but he is more of a thug than Putin.

    • Paul

      Crap! I wish I could argue with you duif100 but you are absolutely right. I have more respect for Putin than our own government. That is really sad.

      • Elton Robb

        Russia is probably the weirdest ally we’ll ever have. I will always consider Russia to be our enemy, but in light on how Putin is really a humble man (he’s willing to be interviewed by reporters in a T.V. Studio); you can’t help but respect him.

        In light of what is happening with Russia, make no mistake I fully believe they will attack us, kill Christians and Jews in this country and take many of our people into captivity; but in every struggle they will eventually help us get over ourselves.

        Don’t trust them to be friendly. But do trust that the war we will have with them will make America a better place to live. Conflict is a part of our progression. Even Jesus said: “Think not that I’ve come into the world to bring peace, but a sword.” As much as I hate war myself, conflict has to exist in order to push a people higher. Stagnation means you stop or you go backwards. You have to basically face conflict in order to get stronger.

        So, don’t trust Russia to be a friend. Trust that she is our enemy, but count her as a weird ally in the cause of Liberty.

        • duif100

          Putin works for the interests of his country.
          We cannot say that about Obama.

          • Bill

            Good analogy, duif

          • Doc Sarvis

            Sure we CAN.

          • duif100

            Only when you lie!

      • duif100

        I feel the same. It is indeed very sad.

      • Bill

        I agree. It is a shame that we have more respect for Putin than Obama.

    • Doc Sarvis

      The shut down is not our President’s fault. The House has the votes to pass a clean bill (that will pass the Senate and that the President will sign) but they will not bring it to a vote.

      • Paul

        Doc, I am not sure what media you’ve been listening to. It is, positively our president’s fault for not negotiating with the House. All the Pres. has to do is agree to force our own government into the Obummercare plan they shoved down our throats (they’ve exempted themselves from parts of it but we can’t), offer the people the same 1yr extension option he gave to the large business (you know, the wealthy 1% enemy of this Pres.). We’d have the choice of signing up now or a year later.

      • duif100

        Your reasoning is illogical.
        The house has presented a number of bills that the senate would have approved if our tyrant said so and the he could sign them.
        Every house bill included complete funding for the government.
        Every move the house made was designed to keep the government open.
        The shutdown falls squarely on the shoulders of “I won’t negotiate Obama” and Reid.
        In case you did not know. Obamacare is not a clean bill. It has been modified by our little tyrant 19 times without congressional input/approval.

      • rwm44

        the shut down is all YOUR presidents fault he wants it to be as painflul as possible. my pres would not do that

        • Jack

          rwm44:

          I guess you never heard of the Republican January 2013 retreat where they developed a plan on how they were going to kill Obamacare or the August 2013 letter to Boehner signed by 80 Republican Representatives (House members) demanding that defunding of Obamacare be a part of any Continuing Resolution to keep the government operating.

          What about Rep.Michele Bachmann saying she has never seen her fellow Republican House members so happy – happy because the government was shut down.

          Republicans are 100% responsible for the shut down. They wanted it, they fought for it and they got it..

      • duif100

        Is there a constitutional obligation that the house has to pass a “clean: CR?
        If not, then the house has every right to do what it is doing.
        If Obama and the senate had done their job and passed a budget, then there would be no CR to argue about.
        The CR in itself is a compromise by the GOP to keep the government open.
        Enough is enough, tell Obama and Reid that it is time for a budget and there will be no more CR’s.

      • Rubygirl

        Goodness, Doc, do you wake up in a new reality each morning? The House has already sent 3 “clean bills” to the Senate and Reid is using them for toilet paper or something. With the Dem controlled Senate and this “president”, NOTHING is getting done. When 2 men, Reid and obama, unwilling to even “talk” to the R’s, nothing is getting done. It’s their way or they take their balls and go to the golf course (which isn’t closed BTW!)!!

        Even my grandchildren have better negotiating skills…they will usually “share” the ball!!

        • Jack

          Rubygirl:

          None of the bills have been clean.

      • Bill

        It is about stopping Obamacare, not shutting down the government

        • Timothy Thompson

          Doc make no mistake the Republicans are trying to cut the credit card up, Obama is irresponsible and given that he has 3 more years to run it up it’s unacceptable.

  • Al Chemist

    How will the US of A ever become exceptional when many of those in power in this country thinks others are evil because we have a different point of view than the liberal/progressive/commie/democrat view they promote? How will the US of A ever become exceptional when leading politicians (and others) call Republicans or Conservatives or Tea Party members terrorists and refuse to call terrorists those who wear explosive vests in the Middle East? How will the US of A become exceptional when the IRS is used to suppress opposing points of view? How will the US of A become exceptional when all the Government agencies and departments are filled to the brim with those having that same liberal/progressive/commie/democrat point of view? How will the US of A ever become exceptional when about one-third of the adults in this country are uninformed or under-informed (or could give a crap)? Answer: It will not without bloodshed, and that will not happen.

    • Paul

      Al, the answer to your questing is simple. We need another Regan type president that can unite our nation and not divide it. I’ve been trying to point it out to the Republican Party for a long time but they won’t listen to me. The only and best way to address our issues is to stop blaming Obummer, democraps or republicans for the problem; they are ALL guilty. Instead we need to attack the true enemy of the people; government in general. The people MUST unite under one nation for the benefit of the people and NOT for the benefit of government. If we don’t reduce the federal government power by 50% and restore the power back to the people and their States, this nation is surely doomed.

      • Al Chemist

        I would love to see someone able to unite this country. But, remember, even Regan was opposed, and called an idiot…among other names. Remember that Tip O’Neal(?) was going to retire, but decided to stay on to oppose Regan.

        Regan was, however, able to talk directly to (all) the American people using the media. That might not be possible today because the MSM and its reporters are clearly lap dogs for the democrats.

        Also, the government today is a LOT bigger, the people in the government a LOT more left wing, and the percent of people dependent on the government tit much, much higher that when Regan was president. They will not give it up without a fight. Probably a bloody one.

        • KG

          Next to Bush 2, Reagan was the most divisive and obtuse President we have ever had other than Warren G Harding. His solution for Labor discord was to destroy Labor. His solution for school nutrition was to call ketchup a ‘vegetable’. His solution for trade imbalance was to sell off our manufacturing base to the lowest bidder.

          The current economic condition is the result of 30+ years of supply-side trickle-down failure. The more taxes we have cut, the more wealthy the rich become. Tax cut only make rich people lazy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What we’ve had over the last 30 years is consistent growth in the size of Government complete with all their meddling in the Marketplace.
            http://www.scribd.com/doc/144210931/Wayne-Crews-Ten-Thousand-Commandments-An-Annual-Snapshot-of-the-Federal-Regulatory-State-2013

          • Al Chemist

            If I read the latest data correctly, the ultra rich are doing very well under Obama. Thank you very much. Ask Warren Buffet. He’s the guy who thinks the rich should pay more taxes…and has yet to pay more than he absolutely has to. It’s the middle class that’s taking a hit under the Obama administration, along with those people unemployed looking for work and those unemployed no longer looking for work. What are the ‘real’ unemployment numbers? 14 % or is it higher?

          • TheOriginalDaveH
          • Al Chemist

            Thanks! I was not familiar with that one. Probably a much better number.

          • KG

            Why is the middle class suffering so much? When Reagan fired the PATCO strikers, America should of had a general strike in response. But since then, as the fortunes of Union labor decline, so does America middle class. As this chart clearly shows:

            http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/unionincome.jpg

          • Al Chemist

            I seem to remember that when Reagan fired the strikers, most of the American public was with him. There was no danger of a general strike. The union workers (at least those in industry) priced themselves out of the market. That is why there are so few union workers today (only about 10 % of the work force… and I believe that includes government unions). But, high union wages and Obama administration policies force a lot of small business people out of the market. That is one reason for the drop.

          • KG

            You seem to forget the attitude amongst many Americans at that time. Many were of the opinion , as now, that Unions were archaic and unnecessary in our modern world. However, after 30 years of systematic propaganda and outright threats and intimidation, the Labor movement is a shell of it’s former self. However, among many young people the IDEA of a union is still there. Thanks to a few brave teachers who dare to reveal Americas true history -a history full of labors struggle against murderous factory owners and heartless capitalists.

          • Al Chemist

            Your post could have come straight out of “Das Kapital” by Karl Marx. (Yes, I have read it.) Most people on these Conservative sites don’t believe that communism works all that well, as they have seen more than a few Communist States fall in their lifetime.

          • KG

            You may be right. Capitalism did appease the first world with many labor reforms. But the vast majority of commodities produced for the so-called liberal republics are produced far from the malls and suburbs where they are sold.

            In these countries the situation of the modern day proletariat is no different than the European factory workers of Marx’s day. Wages measured in pennies, unsafe working conditions, inadequate health care and education, no hope for social advancement; however, when the third world starts demanding its rights and the capitalist run out of people willing to be exploited then the true communist era will begin!

          • Al Chemist

            Have you have ever been to a school and watched what the kids eat? Only one in ten will eat a vegetable. French fries are their favorite. If those French fries are drowned in ketchup they still eat it. By the way, ketchup is very high in beta-carotine and other vitamins … more than in carrots which only one in twenty will eat.

          • KG

            They will eat deep fried hog butts too, so does that make it OK???

          • Al Chemist

            Yes! If that is what they want, then let them have it. Why serve them green beans when they refuse to eat them?

          • KG

            What did your mom do when you wouldn’t eat your vegetables?

      • Bill

        Good Comment, Paul

      • Al Chemist

        Paul, please read KG’s post below. Even Regan with a halo would not satisfy these guys. And remember, there are a lot more people like KG today.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You aren’t going to get that from the Republican Party, Paul.
        They give lip-service to Small Government, but they have never really been the Party of Small Government in actual deed.
        The roots of the Republican Party are in mercantilism (Crony Capitalism). And they’ve been practicing it ever since.
        As a matter of fact, the original framers of the Constitution were mostly Creditors (Bankers and such):
        “It had been drafted, in the first place, by men representing special economic interests. Four-fifths of them were public creditors, one-third were land speculators, and one-fifth represented interests in shipping, manufacturing, and merchandising. Most of them were lawyers. Not one of them represented the interest of production — Vilescit origine tali”.
        http://mises.org/daily/4254/Liberty-vs-the-Constitution-The-Early-Struggle

        There is only one Political Party that represents Individual Freedom and Free Markets:
        http://www.lp.org/

    • Bill

      Good comment, Al

  • borgerboy

    lost in viet nam? we were winning when I left…

    • Doc Sarvis

      You must have missed the Fall of Saigon in ’75.

      • Vigilant

        And you must have missed a lot of reading comprehension classes to not understand the thrust of borgerboy’s and Daniel Melton’s comments.

    • Albert Maslar

      What is your definition of “winning?”

    • Daniel F. Melton

      I left VN in 1971. Even then our own government was actively hindering military operations that could have won the war.

    • Rich39

      The USA don’t fight wars to win. We invade nations to steal their resources. The longer the war the more money the Military Industrial Complex makes.
      Vietnam had oil. That’s why the French, Japan, China and the US wanted to conquer Vietnam. Now we are helping Vietnam process the oil. Over 200,000 barrel a day.

      • Vigilant

        Your hatred for America is exceeded only by your propensity to propagate your progressive propagandist palaver.

        Operating at full capacity, the wholly government-owned PetroVietnam produces roughly a third of one percent of the world’s oil. It produces slightly over 300 thousand barrels per day, which isn’t even sufficient to cover its daily consumption rate of 365 million bbl/day. Vietnam is a net importer of oil, by a wide margin.

        There are two kinds of people in this country, those who love her and seek her betterment, and those like you who hate her and seek only to destroy her. And it’s the haters who never tire of producing talking point falsehoods that can’t stand up to the scrutiny of objective research.

        Vietnam was NOT about oil. Go peddle your misrepresentations elsewhere.

        • Rubygirl

          Vietnam was about stopping communism before it reached our shores and to help the South Vietnamese people. Politics wouldn’t let us complete the win. And just look where we are today with communism or whatever label is put on it.

          Oh, yeah, that Saddam Hussein who was killing his own people by the millions in IRAQ…we should have just let him continue.

          But obama sure took credit for killing OBL, didn’t he when he didn’t have a darn thing to do with that raid.

          As to Israel, it’s just a little tiny Country surrounded by people who hate them and want to destroy them. Sure, let’s just let those “people” kill each other and in doing so, kill the only democracy in the Middle East. Oh, that’s right, those same “tribes” want to kill all Americans, too, and they are HERE now, ready and willing to do so.

          • Jana

            Rubygirl,
            GREAT POST!!!!!!

          • Jack

            Rubygirl:

            Saddam was a bad guy but he was not killing millions of his people.

            When Reagan was President Saddam did use gas against the Iranians and the Kurds. Not only did the US not do anything, Reagan twice (1983 & 1984) sent Rumsfeld to Iraq to meet with Saddam. There is a question as to whether the US just helped Saddam get chemical weapons (gas) or actually provided them to him.

            We invaded Iraq because Bush wanted a war.

        • KG

          One of the biggest private contractors in Vietnam?
          Brown & Root. This company is now known as KBR. The same contractors hired in Iraq and Afghanistan.

          Gen, Turgidson “….I smell a big Nazi rat!”

          • Vigilant

            Yes, KG, it’s called “capitalism.”

          • KG

            So…capitalism = war?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Cagey, Big Government = war.

          • KG

            little Government = Dictator

          • WTS/JAY

            Small-Government restrained and complying with the Constitution= Liberty

          • KG

            small government + religion + Military worship + charismatic war veteran = Nazis

          • KG

            small government + religion + Military worship + charismatic war veteran = Nazis

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Shouldn’t you have to enroll in the Carbon Credits program, Cagey?

          • Vigilant

            Only a communist could make that false assertion.
            Allow me to repeat what I told Rich39:

            “And it’s the haters who never tire of producing talking point falsehoods that can’t stand up to the scrutiny of objective research.”

      • KG

        The British war in the Falklands was over oil as well. Unbeknownst to most of the world, except for a handful of oil insiders at the time. The last war we actually won was done by a liberal Democrat.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Which war was that, Cagey?

  • Albert Maslar

    Letting Israel hang by themselves in the Middle East is bad policy as were the Bush I and II preemptive wars against Iraq, both in the name of Saudi Arabia and the Bush family oil interests. Iraq posed an offset against Iran, natural enemies, and having destroyed Iraq the “good enemy,” the bad enemy Iran was given license to upset Israel, Egypt, Libya, Syria, and North Africa, with violence extending into Pakistan, along with dire threats against the US proper..Direct military aid and intervention into the Middle East is a recipe for disaster as they have been fighting for some 1400 years, and not about to stop, It is a family feud that can only harm those who intercede.

    • Paul

      Albert, I’ve always felt our influence in the Middle East region is a waste of time and waste of American lives. You can’t remove thousands of years worth of hatred from a peoples that don’t want it, with war. War only adds more hate. Also, I believe the reason those people hate us so much is a direct result of us sticking our noses where it does not belong. They hate our way of life as much as we dislike theirs. The only thing I can suggest is to arm both sides, grab a 6 pack and watch the fireworks from a distance. Or simply leave them alone to their own destiny.

      • Albert Maslar

        “Arm both sides is part of the problem.” Let them throw rocks as they do whenever TV crews show up.

      • Albert Maslar

        Arm both sides? That’s been the problem. Israel can manage without the US, but the Muslim world needs American money to destroy America. Israel has given us Christianity for which I am eternally grateful.

  • Daniel F. Melton

    I must take issue with the author of this piece about fuel prices going up. With the known reserves within the borders of the United States, we can be a world leader in oil exports. The only thing standing in the way of our nation’s energy independence is the federal government under obama. In North Dakota, it seems the only way to be unemployed is to actively avoid applying for a job.

    • red neck

      “the only way to be unemployed is to actively avoid applying for a job”
      That pretty much sums up 50% of the population under the obama regime handout nation.

      • KG

        North Dakota is ground zero for the natural gas fracking operations in America. We know for sure because the STD rate has skyrocketed there. It seems the girls have figured out with all the oil worker trash thats working there, instead of sitting on their ‘goldmine’ they have decided to ‘cash in’ on the oil boom.

        http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/72269/

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Interesting. The guy, who claims to be for the workers, is calling the oil workers in North Dakota “trash”.
          Could that be because only 6.1% of ND workers are Union members?
          http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.t05.htm
          Or could it be because only 7.2% of workers in Mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction are Union members?
          http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.t03.htm

          You’ve been busted, Cagey, you hypocritical Socialist Shill.

          • KG

            No. It’s because of all the sexual immorality that they are spreading. If they were well-paid union members, then they would go home to their wives and kids instead of whoring around.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Cagey, you are so full of it. I think I should turn you in to the E. Coli police.

          • WTS/JAY

            And how would you know that?

        • Vigilant

          Again, KG, it’s called “Capitalism.”

      • Daniel F. Melton

        I won’t fault all of ‘em. The business climate in reaction to taxes, environmental gestapo, and obamacare has pretty much trashed the job market in most areas.

    • John Myers

      Dear Mr. Melton,

      Thank you for the comment. But allow me to point out two things:

      1) it takes years, even decades to develop proven and sometimes just probable reserves to market. North Dakota is a great example because of the abundance of oil and yet it won’t have a significant impact until 2030.

      2) Saudi Arabia can pump it’s fully developed and rich oil reserves at a cost of less than $2 per bbl. Typically oil drawn from North America costs $8 to $12 per bbl.

      The difference in cost will be paid by consumers.

      Sincerely,
      John Myers

      • Jack

        Mr Meyers:

        Consumers don’t pay the difference in production costs. Oil is selling for $100.00 plus a barrel whether it comes from Saudi Arabia or Texas. It doesn’t cost consumers $6 to $10 more for american oil than Saudi oil.

        As far as North Dakota is concerned, they don’t have the manpower or the drilling equipment to develop new oil wells any faster.

        There is a glut of oil in the midwest. If the northern section of the Keystone Pipeline actually gets built it will allow the glut to be relieved (they will be able to ship it out) which will drive gasoline prices in the midwest up as much 20 to 40 cents a gallon.

      • Daniel F. Melton

        First: Oil and gas from the Bakken is in the market right now. The United States is well on its’ way to becoming a net exporter of oil on that one field alone. The “cost” of crude production in the middle east is not reflected in the PRICE per barrel.

        Second: Stability of supply is what benefits the consumer market, to the horror of those who benefit from price swings due to political and terrorist activities beyond our control. Drill here, drill now, and let the arabs pound sand.

        I know the opec countries can drop the price of oil like they did when the Western Slope projects of Colorado looked like they were about to come in back in the 80s With the production methods utilized in the Bakken, they would be cutting their own throats.

    • Jana

      Not since Obama has not allowed us to drill off shore any more, and has given the off shore drilling rights to other countries.

      • Daniel F. Melton

        I live up here, about 400 miles from the Bakken. We have people commute to the West side of ND to work. The economy is exploding in spite of everything that the democrat governor of Minnesota can do to inflict his economic policies. Even without the offshore drilling, we are soon to be a net exporter of oil. “o”boy and his tree hugging socialists will not be in office forever.

  • Doc Sarvis

    WOW. Folks on this site sure love to have it both ways. All the e-print about how President Obama goes around the world apologizing for America AND articles like this complaining about how President Obama should not think that America is exceptional. If it is Wednesday President Obama loves America too much, if it is Thursday President Obama hates America too much. You folks should try to be a little more consistent.
    I guess the Tea Party strategy is to throw everything they can at President Obama just to see if anything sticks. Most Americans see that little does which is why he was elected in the first place and why he was re-elected just last year.

    • red neck

      Doc koo-koo nuts… your god obama only believes that America is exceptional through himself and by himself only. If obama took himself out of the equation than he would believe that America would be nothing.
      So go pass off your idiotic rants somewhere else.

      • Doc Sarvis

        What makes you think that President Obama sees “that America is exceptional through himself and by himself only”?

        • Vigilant

          The campaigner in chief sees EVERYTHING “through himself and by himself only.” Never in our history have we seen a chief executive so focused on partisan politics and so insouciant about the concerns and welfare of the American people.

          • Carlucci

            Yep. The thing about B.O. is that everything is about B.O.

        • red neck

          Oh GEE Doc… now where have you been?
          To obama everything is about obama and nobody else he is only using idiots like you in order to push his Marxist agenda and when he is done with you, you are done.

        • Doc Sarvis

          It is rather adorable that the Tea Party is jealous that
          someone else is our twice elected President.

          • hungry4food

            The Prez had the IRS Intimidating and holding back his Opposition , and he had the NSA and IRS looking up Information to use against the Opposition to Infuriate the Democrats with hate the rich rhetoric plus there was about 8 % voter fraud across the board with NO MS Media REPORTING so I can see what you are saying about tea party jealously being right on the Money Doc !!!!!

          • Jana

            Don’t forget he (through Eric Holder the joke) also let the Muslim Brotherhood stand at the doors where they vote some even had weapons, just to intimidate.

          • Jack

            Jana:

            You have the story all wrong. It was the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia during the 2008 election.

            In case you forgot, Obama was not the President in 2008 (in case you can’t remember Bush was) and Holder was not the Attorney General.

            It was an intercity predominately black precinct. I believe it involved two black men and one had a billy club.

          • hungry4food

            Jana I think with what you say about AG Holder Not doing his Constitutional Oath to defend the Constitution it can be said we are under Totalitarianism .

            This gal says we are already under Totalitarian statist control ,

            Obama Destroying Dollar, China to Take U.S. Land for DEBT:
            Ann Barnhardt Video

            http://beforeitsnews.com/economics-and-politics/2013/10/obama-destroying-dollar-china-to-take-u-s-land-for-debt-ann-barnhardt-video-2457188.html

            For Ideological Purposes mostly based of Peak Earth Concepts , they are collapsing the free markets and the Private financial system with the burden of debt to transform the economy worldwide into a Statist Controlled economy to save earth ,

            Is Homeland Security Preparing for the Next Wall Street Collapse?

            http://www.opednews.com/articles/Is-Homeland-Security-Prepa-by-Ellen-Brown-Bail-in_Bailout_Banks_Budget-131008-976.html

            The Real Crisis Is Not The Government Shutdown

            http://paulcraigroberts.org/2013/10/02/real-crisis-government-shutdown-paul-craig-roberts/

          • Jack

            hungry4food:

            I am sorry but your IRS scandal died because (1) the IRS was doing the same thing to liberal groups and (2) no matter how hard Rep. Issa tried to establish a link to OIbama, There was none.

            You might know this if you went beyond your right wing sources.

          • hungry4food

            The IRS was Intimidating Conservative way more than Liberals , like 291 to 7 , and of course there won’t be a record that links Obama to Lerner my God they Are not Stupid !!!!!!!

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/30/irs-conservatives_n_3678511.html

            And then there is this Fascism that works its wonders too , http://cnsnews.com/blog/mike-ciandella/soros-gave-61-million-groups-linked-pressure-irs-target-conservative-nonprofits
            But of Course we all know the Ideological Mission is to Crash the Independent Capitalist economic system and Replace it with a Centralized Government Controlled Economy to Ration the rate of Societies Consumption around the world to save Earth from the destructive ways of a Free market driven economy , so promoting Individual Freedom and Prosperity is a NO NO today !!!!!!!

          • Bill

            Doc,
            Is that your juvenile emotions talking

          • WTS/JAY

            No, it’s the juvenile talking.

          • WTS/JAY

            I wouldn’t use the adjective “jealous”, Doc, to describe how the TP feels about the current potus being twice elected. Horrified yes…jealous? That’s a bit of a stretch.

        • Rubygirl

          What does “me, mine and I” mean to you? That is obama’s exceptionalism!!

        • WTS/JAY

          The problem with his statement that “America is exceptional”, is that he uses present-tense, in spite of the evidence to the contrary, Doc!

      • NickCzudy

        Obama is anything but how you describe him.

        Thats not what he says in his speeches and action. Where do you loons get all of this tripe. Really? Where does it come from? You seem to pull it out of your a$$es.. Like Doc Sarvis says, you constantly contradict each other. You need to be consistent in your rants. You needs to be able to point to some speech or policy to back your comments.

        The only thing that is consistent is that your hate for the man is deep and immense. But none of you know why? Pathetic.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          How would you describe Obama, Nick?

          • WTS/JAY

            He will need to put on his rose-colored glasses before he can answer that question, DaveH. That the poor louse has probably misplaced them, could most likely be the reason he hasn’t provided an answer as yet.

        • Vis Fac

          ODUMBO’s Speeches are merely propaganda for the purpose of brainwashing the functionally illiterate spawned by liberal one dimensional indoctrination camps.

          If you watch ODUMBO closely he reads from a teleprompter while wagging his head form side to side never making eye contact with anyone. This is superficial and condescending to the American people ODUMBO is insincere in all of his pontifications appealing to the easily controlled

          As I watch (believe me it is difficult to try add hold my lunch down) I wouldn’t be surprised because I believe ODUMBO is possessed if he pulled a Linda Blair rotating his head 360’s while puking green pea soup!!

          The man is EVIL narcissistic and omnipotent and there is more than AMPLE reason to not only not trust him but abhor him!! He makes Jimmy Carter (the second worst president) appear more like Ronald Reagan

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

    • FreedomFighter

      “Most Americans see that little does which is why he was elected in the first place and why he was re-elected just last year.”
      ROFLAO
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • Doc Sarvis

        What are you saying???

        Semper FI

        • Vis Fac

          Something you could never in a million years hope to comprehend. The Truth!!

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • Doc Sarvis

            Oh, I got the truth.
            Semper-Fi

          • Vis Fac

            No you only THINK you do! If you did you wouldn’t be a one dimensional liberal.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

    • Rubygirl

      You missed the point…the article is saying that obama thinks America is exceptional ONLY under HIS dictatorship…meaning w/o me America is unexceptional. Boy, how quickly confusion sets in. He’s so full of hubris, it is sickening. He would NEVER dare say that the American People are exceptional…”you didn’t built that”” and his wife saying “for the first time I am proud of my Country”…It’s always “me, mine and I” with them!! Even our school children MUST pledge allegiance to HIM!!

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      That’s funny, Doc. Indeed Obama did make a point of apologizing for America’s actions but then, after putting his finger to the air to see which way the breeze is blowing, changed course 180 degrees. What does that tell you about his Leadership abilities?

    • Vis Fac

      Living in denial as you do does nothing to change the facts. Id does however make it easier to cope whit their insanity or other personal issues. You like so many others cover your eyes and ears to avoid facing reality hoping that reality will magically disappear and you can continue to dwell in LA LA Land.

      Reality Check ODUMBO and the government DO NOT care for you or your well being that will not distribute the 1%’s wealth to you while it is true you don’t have to pay taxes or shoulder the debt you will not live in a mansion an eat peeled grapes You will not be invited to the CORONATION nor will you be safe from government intrusion. You will be just another sucker that drank the Liberal KOOL-Aid and find out you’ve been had!

      Finally when (not if) the SHTF you will be woefully unprepared and will most likely perish within a week while waiting on FEMA to come th the rescue. Dream on Doc I hope for your sake you never wake up for if you do you’ll panic.

      I say this to you because you don’t believe in the ODUMBO conspiracy to ruin the US.

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

  • red neck

    A comparison of obama and Putin.
    Both are dictators however Putin is much wiser.

    • Bill

      Good analogy, Red

  • Charlotte Juett

    The only thing exceptional about Obama is his ego.

    • Doc Sarvis

      You could say that about most U.S. Presidents.

      • Charlotte Juett

        Doc, you must be a troll here on this site. Obama’s ego exceeds by a factor of at least 100 any other president, with the possible exceptions of FDR, Teddy Roosevelt and Bill Clinton.

        • Doc Sarvis

          Please provide your citation.

  • Carlucci

    “What stands out most is a President who may secretly be a Muslim, who
    may not have been born in the United States and who rules more like a
    monarch than an elected leader.” May secretly be a Muslim? There is no secret. The “secret” is that he is hiding in plain sight. B.O. IS a muslim -! He BOWED to the king of Saudi Arabia. Only a muslim would do that. He attended an islamic school in Indonesia. His middle name is Hussein.

    I used to live in Saudi Arabia; believe me, the man is a muslim. And I would bet dollars to donuts that he was born in Kenya.

    • Doc Sarvis

      You can kiss your credibility goodbye.

      • Bill

        Isn’t that like the pot calling the kettle black, Doc
        So, how is that deer hunting with your shotgun coming along

        • Doc Sarvis

          WHERE in the world do you get the idea that I hunt deer with a shotgun??? Some do using a slug instead of shot. I’ve always used either a 270 or a 30-30 (my preference).

          • Vis Fac

            Being a liberal I am surprised you even own a firearm, seeing as how you liberals are afraid of your own shadows let alone a “dangerous scary inanimate object!

            Why not use a Bow and Arrow unless you need multiple shots to hit your target. I (and other competent hunters) need only one shot.

            I’ve seen people with a .30-30 empty their tubular magazine and hit nothing or become too excited and pulverize the carcass beyond salvaging any meat. Which of these is you?

            Now don’t go all Macho on us and tell more lies fro we know what you’re made of. Marshmallow

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Jack

            Force Recon:

            You don’t have to be a CONservative to be a hunter.

            I am sure that all your kills have been one shot kills. I can assure you that while many of mine have been one shot kills, there have been more that a few that took more than one shot. Remember there are a lot bigger animals than, rabbits, squirrels, birds, turkeys and whitetail deer. Elk, mouse, caribou, bear to name some that are in the US..

            I have never seen or have heard of a tubular magazine 30-30. The first gun I bought was a lever action 30-30. That was when I was about 10 ( I could pay for it back then but my mom had to go pick it up). One of my first guns (a Christmas present) was a tubular .22 rifle. Who makes or made tubular 30-30’s?

          • Vis Fac

            JACK A$$ where did you get the idea I was conservative? The fact is I am independent and a Constitutionalist However the vast majority of liberals are deathly afraid of firearms and don’t want anyone to have one. All gun control laws are authored by liberals.

            Being a Marine I am well trained in handling and use of a variety of weapons. My MOS (Military Occupational Specialties) encompassed many skills one being certified as a sniper. So yes in answer to your question all my kills have been one shot kills. Where weapons are concerned I do not mess around. The trick is to use the proper caliber for the game and conditions. A .30-30 being a nice close in brush gun is not adequate for distances beyond 100 meters

            You don’t need to remind me about game I never hunt rodents so rabbits and squirrels are safe unless they invade my gardens or grain bins then they are dog food. Pheasants Grouse and Quail are abundant and I have plenty of practice with my trusty 870 I don’t miss often. I wish we had wild turkeys they’re further north and east.

            You Never heard of the Winchester model 74 lever action repeater only one of the most famous firearms of the west? It has a tubular magazine holding seven to nine flat nosed bullets. Marlin makes a fine tubular lever action .30-30.

            I prefer the old reliable .30-06. I have a very nice Springfield 03-A3 bolt action that I can drive tacks with at 100 Meters. For fun and defense I have my trusty

            M-1 Garand I can hit a tennis ball at 200 meters with eight rounds in less than a minute.

            For long range 600 Meters + I prefer my 7mm Remington Magnum up to 1 Kilometer If I want to get really serious I have my 338 Lapua Magnum for 1kilometer and further. I don’t see the need for a .50 unless I want to shoot through engine blocks In reality the.338. will do that.

            I do have a .50 Beowulf on an AR platform which is interchangeable with the 5.56 NATO This is fun to shoot and doubles as my home defense weapon along with my 1911

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Jack

            Force Recon:

            Yes a 30-30 is a nice brush gun and yes its not very good at ranges longer than 100 yds because of the ballistics – the bullet drop is very significant.

            I can’t say that I have heard of the Winchester 74. I know about the Winchester 94 the gun that won the west. I believe it was the first lever action rifle. It was the first gun I ever bought. The first time I ever shot it I killed a small 3 point (western court) mule deer. One of my one shot kills.

            I think I understand our “tubular” difference. You seem to be describing firearms as “tubular” when to me it is a just a lever action. The only thing I knew to be a tubular firearm were .22 rifles that had a tube under the barrel that you loaded the shells from the top of the tube. You loaded (for firing) these guns by working a bolt just like any other bolt action rifle. To me lever action firearms were those that you loaded from above the lever action. The shells did go into a tube like structure. You loaded and cocked the gun by working the lever action.

            My firearms are all hunting related. They range from .22 rifle and pistol to a .416 rifle My favorite is a .300 magnum. I love it because it is extremely accurate, its just basiclly aim and shoot out to 300 yds. After that you start having to estimate range and bullet drop.
            Its not overkill for deer while it is adequate for elk, bear and moose.

            My favorite shotgun is a Remington 1100 semi auto. I have a couple of 870 pumps but and a break action but I like the semi the best.

            Sounds like you do or have done a lot of long range target shooting. I never have had the long range firearms you have. I always had a lot of friend shooting at long range targets. We used to go to shooting range that had a 1000 yd. metal target they called the bell. When you hit it made a sound like a bell ring. I learned to be able to hit it on most shots from my 300 mag.

            Squirrel is not one of my favorites but if those rabbits are cottontails, you ought to trying cooking them in a crock-pot (slow cooker) and then browning them if you like. It comes out tender and juicy. It also works well on big game – deer, elk, etc.

            As you can tell, I grew up and live in the west. 250 acres is a good spread in much of the country. It can hold a lot of critters. Where I am, big game is so spread out that a days hunt usually entails walking several miles. Animal populations are figured in animals per square mile.

            .

            . pbecause of bullet droplittle :

          • Vis Fac

            The Volition Repeating Rifle of 1848 was the first lever action rifle it was complicated and unreliable in 1852 1852. Horace Smith and Daniel Wesson (S&W) tried to make the Volition rifle easier to manufacture but sold out to the Henry Co. who manufactured the first successful production of lever action rifles Winchester bought henry and the rest is shall I say history.

            You say you are familiar with the 94 model, so where do you think the cartridges are stored when you insert them through the side plate on the receiver? They slide down a tube ergo tubular magazine as opposed to a box magazine) under the barrel. Most .22 auto loaders have a similar array only you need to remove the end cap of the tube to load it.

            The 300 mag is a good large game rifle however the ballistic coefficient is not as good as the 7MM Mag. With the 7MM (.284) Mag I have a flatter trajectory and nearly the same energy as the .300 Mag (.308)
            the 7MM is heavy enough to take any game in North America.

            I shoot a variety of weapons both in competition and for fun. I do Cowboy Shoots with period weapons Bowling pin Matches using a Colt .45 1911 and various long range competitions. I also compete in combat course and trap and skeet events just to keep in practice. I guess you can say I am comfortable in any arena involving firearms Truth be known my wife can sometimes out shoot me except on the larger bore rifles I customized a Czeck 6.5MM Mauser for her and anything within 200 meters is toast. And I wouldn’t want to be on the business end of her 9MM Barretta either

            I can talk firearms all day I prefer to keep in practice or build my own I have a small machine shop I can tinker and build my own firearms some have been disasters a few ugly ducks one one nice rifle Too much time involved but at least I have the capability.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • WTS/JAY

            Gun nut!

        • Vis Fac

          Hey Bill I know you wanted to tell Doc/Dopey or what ever Dwarf he is he’s a moron which is painfully apparent. But I hunt deer with a shotgun so do others Buckshot and deer slugs are rather effective in brush for hunting deer. Thought you’d like to know.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • Bill

            Hi Force,
            I thought it was Doc, but maybe I am wrong,. But I remember a liberal poster that claimed he like to ride around in a pickup and shoot deer with a shotgun, which seemed like he did not know what he was doing. I was always schooled to find their pattern and wait for them to come to me

          • Vis Fac

            First of all it is illegal to hunt from any vehicle It doesn’t surprise me that Liberals break laws. They certainly want to make them and seldom enforce them the more inane and ineffective the better I need only mention Gun Control to make a point.

            Some deer in fact all deer are smarter than a liberal while some do have patters others especially the larger bucks don’t. I remember chasing one for three years and finally had a clean shot. That boy had a magnificent rack and lines a trophy hunter would give a prized rifle for. I didn’t take the shot for this man was prime breeder and probably wouldn’t taste all that good. The hunt was what I thought was the best part.

            As I own and live on about 88 hectares (250 Acres) of forest and fields so do I see him on occasion.

            There is plenty more game and I have domestic food sources so I don’t need to hunt.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        You never had any to begin with, Doc, so who are you to accuse?

      • Vis Fac

        And your’s is in tact? HAH! don’t make me laugh Joblessness is at an all time high and thousands of comedians are out of work and you have the GALL to try and be funny? Right!!!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

      • Carlucci

        So can you. Bugger off, Troll.

      • WTS/JAY

        You kissed yours goodbye long ago, Doc.

    • NickCzudy

      Haha Believe you. NO thanks. You are a loon like the other birthers.
      Obama is not a religious freak. To think that he is Muslim and wakes up at 5:00am and prays towards Mecca and all of the other mumbo junbo is a joke. I would believe sooner that is he an atheist and is being sensitive to all of you religious freaks.

      • WTS/JAY

        Are you at obama’s side 24/7, Nick?

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Nick,
        you’re a zealot. Why would anybody believe you are capable of making rational judgement?

  • Jana

    No wonder Putin doesn’t think America or better yet the United States is exceptional any more, he actually took his cue from Obama himself when he went around the world apologizing to other countries for us. Obama has in so many words stated we aren’t so great. Michelle his wife wasn’t proud of her country before her husband became President.
    Personally I haven’t had much to be proud of SINCE he has become President, but I do have hope for the future.
    This train wreck of a President has done nothing but CREATE scandal after scandal in his administration while underhandedly pass bills that hurt the economy and the very people that elected him.
    Obama has caused chaos and and division and is PROUD of himself. I am ASHAMED of him.

    • red neck

      Remember also that obama himself stated that America is no longer a Christian nation….. That should be proof enough that obama is an Anti-Christ.

      • Vis Fac

        I remember that quote and I don’t believe ODUMBO is the Anti-Christ He is however Satan’s disciple opening the door for the Anti-Christ

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • smilee

          I thought that was you due to all your lies.

          • WTS/JAY

            Or it could be you, smilee.

          • smilee

            NO

          • WTS/JAY

            Just yanking your chain, smilee. :)

          • Vis Fac

            SMELLY First you must have a brain to think so that leaves you out.

            Remember I OWN you because the only way for you to try and exact revenge on me is to use pejorative labeling and you aren’t any good at that either.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • NickCzudy

        NO what it proves is that he is not swayed by religious dogma and believes that religion should have no place in government.
        You are free to have your religion. Do not push it on me or the government. thanks.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Then don’t push your Religion of Liberal Progressivism on us.

      • Jack

        redneck:

        Sorry it never was. There were a number of Christians involved in the Revolutionary War, the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution but that did not make the US a Christian Nation.

        There is not now, nor has the US ever had a State Religion

        Obama says he is a Christian. are you saying that anyone who isn’t a Christian is an Anti-Christ? If that’s the case there are billions of them.

      • smilee

        I doubt he said that but the fact is it never has been nor was it founded Christian even Billy Graham said that some years ago in an interview with David Frost

  • hungry4food

    Prepare for Collapse !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The Real Crisis Is Not The Government Shutdown

    http://paulcraigroberts.org/2013/10/02/real-crisis-government-shutdown-paul-craig-roberts/

    Obama Destroying Dollar, China to Take U.S. Land for DEBT:
    Ann Barnhardt Video

    http://beforeitsnews.com/economics-and-politics/2013/10/obama-destroying-dollar-china-to-take-u-s-land-for-debt-ann-barnhardt-video-2457188.html

    ” This story is from a Liberal Lawyer so pay attention . She has been tracking the Financial Collapse from the beginning” ;

    Is Homeland Security Preparing for the Next Wall Street Collapse?

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/Is-Homeland-Security-Prepa-by-Ellen-Brown-Bail-in_Bailout_Banks_Budget-131008-976.html

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/yes-feds-can-take-your-deposits/

    This tells you that 2 Big 2 Fail
    means Unsecured bank accounts of private individuals under the Dodd Frank
    Banking Law says USA Citizen money can be used for bailing in to save the
    International Banks that are 2 big 2 fail even those European banks ,

    http://www.fdic.gov/about/srac/2012/gsifi.pdf

    • Doc Sarvis

      Oh yes, and THE SKY IS FALLING! Oh my.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Imagine that, a Liberal Progressive, who can’t accept peoples’ responsibility for their own mistakes, calling somebody else a Chicken Little.

        • Vis Fac

          I call it HYPOCRISY

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

      • hungry4food

        DOC ,

        if everything is fine as you would want everyone to believe were not then why all the ammo being bought by DHS ?

        Why is the FDIC and BOE able to take your cash right out of your bank account when one of their baby banks fails ?

        Why is it that Obama appeases the Environmentalists with a economic policy that yields at best 2 % GDP and makes up the difference with Federal Reserve FAKE Money to cover his shorts ????

        Wake up DOC we need a economic Policy that Pushes supply expansion to 4-5 % just to keep up with Population growth demand worldwide let alone the debt !!!!!!

        • Vis Fac

          H4F –Didn’t you understand the sky fell on his head or was that reality that came crashing down. Either way a concussion plays tricks on ones mind and when suffers a concussion they don’t think clearly for a long time. Not that DOC ever has had a clear thought.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

        • Jack

          hungry4food:

          Where do you get the FDIC can take money. FDIC insures your accounts if a bank fails – that means it pays you back the money up to its coverage limits – the problem I am aware of is that if to many or to big of a bnk fails it could empty the funds so everyone might not get covered as they expect.

          I don’t know what BOE means so I can’t comment on that

          I can’t understand the rest of your post. Can you help me? What economic policy is Obama using to appease environmentalists? What is supply expansion?

          • hungry4food

            Jack BOE Bank or England , which has a Key Roll with the Federal Reserve under the Dodd Frank Financial Reform , see the FDIC PDF which explains the Bail-in policy that takes your cash out of your account over the FDIC guarantee to cover any 2 big 2 fail bank that gets into trouble . http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/yes-feds-can-take-your-deposits/ , the FDIC website PDF is in this WND article .

            Obama is Supported heavily by Radical EARTH First Environmentalists who have evolved into a Marxist ideology of ANTI Supply Side Economy Policy haters who see Capitalism and its roll in driving a expanding Production of Supply for the Society to make the things it needs to survive and be prosperous as harmful to EARTH and so want to see a shift to a Central Government Controlled Economic Policy that can use societies Financial dependency on this Central Government as a way to control the rate of Consumption and save Earth in a ZERO Growth Economic Policy . Some of these same Environmentalist Radicals are the Head CEOs of the 2 big 2 fail Financial Institutes , Even RINOs like Hank Paulson , do you know his back ground ????

      • Vis Fac

        Now that explains your condition of denial and confusion perfectly At least you admit to being hit in the noggin!

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

  • Bill

    Great article, John
    You hit the nail on the head as far as what we need to do to get our financial house in order and put America back to work

    • John Myers

      Thank you Bill.
      Best,
      John Myers

  • TxVet

    Republicanz need to push repeal of husseincare.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Most Americans do not want Obamacare, this is true. But they DO want the Affordable Care Act.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        It is not affordable to those who actually work for a living.

        • WTS/JAY

          Good point!

        • Doc Sarvis

          I work for a living and I can afford it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Okay, then it’s settled, Obamacare is affordable because Doc says so.
            Somebody better tell these Folks:
            http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/affordable-care-act-actually-affordable-millennials-maybe-not

          • Vis Fac

            DAve– The AHCA is not about health ODUMBO cares nothing about the American people he only cares about POWER and CONTROL. Simply stated there are better forms of health care available that can be adapted to suit individual needs.

            Having a BLANKET format does little to insure health care for everyone as we know costs are impeding people from participation yet if they don’t they are fined oops taxed/penalized in other words FORCED into a situation not of their making. This is control plain and simple.

            I wish people would realize that this law is illegal. I can offer this scenario as reference It might not be understood by all so I’ll attempt to be as generic as possible.

            Lets imagine you have been pulled over for a traffic infraction the officer (Nancy Pilosi) tells you to sign a blank subpoena devoid of any charges (the AHCA) and tells you to sign it before charges have been filed and then only after you sign it you will be advised of said charges and if you don’t sign serious repercussions would ensue. Would you sign this blank subpoena?

            OK let’s say you sign it then try and fight it in a court of law. In any sane court the charges would be ruled and INVALID and charges dismissed because of non disclosure. Not so in ODUMBO’s and Holders Kangaroo Court You are guilty as charged and must pace the penalty

            This what we have in ODUMBOCARE coerced agreement to an illegal law. The house has a legal (and Moral) obligation not to fund this unlawful act! If I recall correctly the SCOTUS ruled on the tax issue not the legality of how it came to it’s fraudulent approval.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Jack

            Force Recon:

            What are the better forms of healthcare that you say are available?

            How is Obamacare a blanket format – there are many ways that someone can get healthcare insurance and many insurance plans to chose from. If you don’t want insurance you don’t have to get any, you can choose to pay the fine/penalty or not – if you don’t pay it all the IRS can do is withhold it from any federal income tax refund you have coming back to you. .

            I would suggest that you don’t use legal proceedings as an analogy again. Your analogy does not make any sense and is illogical.

            Obamacare is not illegal. Its legality was challenged and SCOTUS ruled on its legality. It did strike down the provisions requiring states to expand their Medicaid programs but upheld the provisions that you and other rail against – Obamacare.

            You might not like it but Obamacare is not a coerced agreement to an illegal law. The law was passed both by the senate and the house, signed by the President and upheld by SCOTUS.

            There is nothing moral about shutting down the government and causing so many people harm because you (the Republicans) don’t like a law.. .

          • Vis Fac

            Better forms of health care are available through various insurance carriers and brokers there are literally dozens. Each offer different plans and coverages at different rates It is up to the individual to opt for the best coverage at the best price. This is known as competition once you remove competition you have a monopolizing effect where you are at the mercy of one carrier.

            Why do you think there are so many varieties of goods and services available? For instance since we are discussing a GOVERNMENT program I will reference the USPS. We all know that the USPS is in trouble and they constantly are raising rates and service is sometimes abysmal. So using this as a baseline we have the need for private companies offering the same services to be competitive to assure price and quality control. Eliminate all of the competition and you have a mess AKA ODUMBOCARE

            Do not I repeat do not confuse constitutionality issued with legal issues we all know laws are enacted each day that are Un-Constitutional Laws that infringe on our rights guaranteed by OUR Constitution.

            ODUMBOCARE was found to be Constitutional because of a technicality when the administration changed the “penalty clause” to a TAX The POTUS can impose a tax.

            As far as being legal. All bills before congress MUST have a period of disclosure for examination of the content. Four hours was not time enough to sift through 1220 pages of PORK let alone examine the content.

            The asinine phrase from Nancy Pelosi of “first we must pass it before we know what’s in it is RIDICULOUS This just so congress could adjourn on schedule.

            If you for one minute it is being responsible to sign a bill without knowing what’s in it you have sawdust for a brain This action is malfeasance and a disservice to the American people. And just because the majority of the nation is/was controlled by the DUMBOCRITE party does not make this action legal. You get away with such malfeasance because th AG is OWNED by ODUMBO and would never investigate let alone do the right thing and stop it.

            This is where we are we have an evil administration dictating policy without proper protocol FORCING its will upon the American people and this is fine with you?

            Like I said you are no American you are a traitor aligning yourself with a master traitor who is bound and determined to destroy OUR nation. You are NOT part of the solution bur part of the problem.

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • WTS/JAY

            Jack: There is nothing moral about shutting down the government and causing so many people harm because you (the Republicans) don’t like a law.. .

            The reason for the shutdown can be laid squarely at the feet of the Senate, who chose not to vote to authorize the money to be spent, because it did not include money for ObamaCare. Get you facts straight, Jack!

          • NickCzudy

            no it is affordable because the facts support it.

          • WTS/JAY

            What facts?

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear NickCzudy,

            You write: “no it is affordable because the facts support it.” Please provide these “facts.” The facts are; high premiums, $5,000-$10,000 deductibles and high copays. That’s not affordable at all. And that doesn’t even touch on the hidden costs, which I have written about before.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Jack

            Bob:

            You know very well the premIums, deductibles, and copays vary depending on the level of coverage you select and the state or even area that you live in, This is EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THAT HEALTHCARE INSURANCE IS NOW .AND WAS BEFORE OBAMACARE.

            it seems to me that just a few years ago the high deductible and high copays policies were the darling idea of the Republican’s. Were’nt they supposed to be part of a Health Saving Account?

          • smilee

            We had them before Obamacare, I remember looking for insurance as an individual in 2006 and the affordable ones all had that amount of deductibles and copays you blame Obamacare for what was here long before it. Premium cost increases have gone way down for next year you did not mention that If there are hidden costs how did you find out about them and nobody else has?

          • WTS/JAY

            Ever considered proof-reading your comments before posting them, smilee? Good grief!

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear smilee,

            You write: “If there are hidden costs how did you find out about them and nobody else has?” The costs are not hidden from those who look for them.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • JeffH

            Bob, I noted a few days ago that my Aetna Medicare HMO costs of coverage is changing for 2014. My “out-of-pocket” costs will be increased by $3300(2013-$2700/2014-$6600) and that some medical facilities in California are no longer accepting MediCaid or taking on new Medicare patients…all the result of the ACA and the ACA Medicaid Expantion.

            Here in California, the “Obamacare” Medicaid expansion has been expanded, but the Supreme Court ruling on the Affordable Care Act (ACA) allowed states to opt of the law’s Medicaid expansion, leaving each state’s decision to participate in the hands of the nation’s governors and state leaders.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What facts? It will be like all Government run programs and exceed all early estimates of cost. And that is in spite of the fact that once Government gets hold of any program it is almost impossible to assess the real costs.

          • Vis Fac

            As ODUMBOCARE has yet to be fully implemented, you have yet to experience the full effects so how do you know you can afford it?

            You supposedly are able to keep your own doctor and health care plan however due to the caveat that pre-existing conditions are no longer the issue everyone’s premiums skyrocketed to compensate for this caveat.

            Those with pre-existing conditions have always had the option of being insured however their premiums and deductibles were higher than those without pre-existing conditions.

            With ODUMBOCARE Instead of those with pre-existing conditions paying higher premiums with higher deductibles as was before now everyone gets the shaft. Another one of those secrets withheld from the public. Not what I would consider being above board and honest!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • Jack

            Force Recon:

            You are totally wrong again.

            Premiums have not skyrocketed let alone because of
            the elimination of preexisting conditions provisions.

            Large numbers of people with preexisting conditions could only get health insurance on the individual market if (1) the preexisting condition and maybe others were excluded from coverage, (2) they paid a very high premium often $2,000.00 or more a month. Many could not get any insurance period.

            Now to help you out, when something was excluded from coverage that means the insurance company would not pay any medical bills relating to that condition. .Thus, if you had a heart condition, the insurance company would not pay any bill relating to your heart.

            .Please stop preaching to people about Obamacare when you don’t know what the heck you are talking about.

          • Vis Fac

            You are educating me on health care when I provided major medical and dental to all my employees I find that extremely amusing. I think I know a thing or two about providing insurance. If you eliminate competition you eliminate any chance to find the best possible rate for the best possible coverage. Suppose you are in the market for an auto and yo u only had one dealer to deal with or only one model to choose from how would you hope to negotiate a fair price? This is what will happen under ODUMBOCARE I don’t suppose that eliminating competition and insisting on a blanket coverage policy does nothing to curb costs.

            You have a lot to learn about free market enterprise If you continue to listen to those who know nothing you too (as is obvious) will know nothing

            While in some areas premiums may decrease some might stay the same but overall premiums will skyrocket

            Follow this link if you dare find the truth.

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/25/double-down-obamacare-will-increase-avg-individual-market-insurance-premiums-by-99-for-men-62-for-women/

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            I see it did not take you long to figure out FR

          • WTS/JAY

            Were you able to sign up, Doc?

        • NickCzudy

          That is a big lie. stop it.

      • Vis Fac

        ODUMBOCARE and the AHCA are one in the same MORON. Apparently you were asleep when this was announced. Because of this abomination My youngest Daughter is considering a career change for she will be UNABLE to provide the care necessary for her patients If she provides UNAUTHORIZED care she would be subjected to fines and prosecution from the IRS.
        You won’t find this information in the public text documents but physicians have it their supplemental guideline manuals.

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

        • Jack

          Force Recon:

          Its nice that you now know that Obamacare and AHCA (I keep telling you its either PPACA or ACA) are the same law. When was it Oct. 4 or 5th that you posted that they were two separate laws. Didn’t you say something like ANY DUMB ASS KNOWS they are not the same.

          Now if you would just stop posting about your daughter, secrete rules, unauthorized care, fines and IRS prosecution. Its all lies.

          • WTS/JAY

            Jack: Now if you would just stop posting about your daughter, secrete rules, unauthorized care, fines and IRS prosecution. Its all lies.

            Its all lies? Why, because you say so?

          • Jack

            WTS?Jay:

            Its lies because the LAW itself says so.

            I know that you as a CONservative might find it hard to believe that if you want to know what a law does or doesn’t do, the place to look is at the words (provisions) of the law.

            Listening to legal scholars like Palin, Limbaugh etc. is not a good way to learn about what the law really does or doesn’t do.

          • WTS/JAY

            Jack: I know that you as a CONservative might find it hard to believe that if you want to know what a law does or doesn’t do, the place to look is at the words (provisions) of the law.

            If you knew anything about the law, Jack, you would know that Congress has the right, afforded by the Constitution, to withhold funding as it sees fit!

            Jack: Listening to legal scholars like Palin, Limbaugh etc. is not a good way to learn about what the law really does or doesn’t do.

            An ASSumption on your part, and so typical of you LIEberals!

          • smilee

            Of these people on here?? You are asking the impossible they need sites like this to think for them they do not understand these have an agenda intended to fool them

          • WTS/JAY

            Is english your second language, smilee? Just curious.

          • JeffH

            Jay, Unhappy Jack is one of those guys(Dave47D?) who believes his opinions are facts and anyone elses facts or even opinions are all lies.

            You know he probably does all of his research through Media Matters, The Democratic Underground, the White House website, barackobama.com and snopes.

          • Vis Fac

            JACK A$$–I have always known so don’t act like the cock of the walk because you thought I didn’t! I Never said there were two different laws

            Please learn to spell since you have trouble with this basic part of dialog you most likely have comprehension issues as well.

            As for my alleged lies. you wouldn’t recognize the truth if it came gift wrapped and notarized. You are so blindly convinced that ODUMBOCARE is the best thing since sliced bread.

            So if this train wreck is all that then why is it that there are so many people Unions and Politicians that want nothing to do with it?

            Could it be they know more about it than you? Obviously not for you are the AUTHORITY on all things Liberal all things ODUMBOCARE and no one should DARE challenge your authority on the subject.

            JACK A$$ you are a jackass!!!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

        • smilee

          Went right over your head!!

      • smilee

        You saw Jimmy Kimble live too?? It was funny, going out on the street and asking people which they would want the ACA or Obamacare and they all said the ACA and when told they were the same one woman vehemently argued they were not the same, just goes to show how the far right propaganda works. When people use the OBAMACARE and get to know the truth about it the propaganda will become worthless. This shutdown is the dying gasps of the far rights fight against Obamacare.. It is a failure as it is here to stay!

    • TxVet

      Husseincare has nothing to do with healthcare. If he’z for it it is wrong. If his lips r moving he’z lying.

    • NickCzudy

      It will never happen. Americans want it and once it starts it will be apparent that all of the doom and gloom propaganda that has been disseminated by the GOP will be proven to be bull.
      the rape and pillage by the present Medical Lobby will end and Americans will get better health care.
      Stop alluding your self. It is the big lie that the GOP are trying to spread. Most Americans want Obamacare. That is fact.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Another “fact”. Do you have any evidence to back that up, Nick?
        http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/01/cnn-poll-will-obamacare-help-you/
        “Less than one in five Americans say their families will be better off under the new health care law, according to a new poll”.
        http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/03/fox-news-poll-voters-support-delaying-obamacare-but-oppose-defunding-it/
        http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law
        “While voters oppose defunding the health care law, they say implementation should be delayed, and a majority wants all or part of the law repealed”.

      • Txvet

        Sure talk to me one month nto 2014. Dumber than a box of pebbles. No stones …..

      • Vigilant

        “Americans want it”…about as much as they want a root canal.

        Now there’s an idiot who can’t even read the numbers disclosed by LIBERAL pollsters.

        “…the rape and pillage by the present Medical Lobby will end and Americans will get better health care.” No, the rape and pillage will simply become more violent and widespread, operated courtesy of your government..

        “Stop alluding your self?” What language are you attempting to speak?.

        • smilee

          In two years you will have to eat those words because by then the people will know what is in it and like it making Pelosi’s statement a prophecy.

          • WTS/JAY

            We’ll see who eats their own words, smilee. In the meantime, i would suggest you start cultivating a taste for “crow”.

          • Vigilant

            In two years you’ll no longer haunt this website, fearful that your own words will be thrown back at you with scorn.

            After your laughable words regarding the Constitution and slavery, nothing you say has any legitimacy.

          • JeffH

            You are totally nuts! Pelosi’s statement a prophecy? You actually think Pelosi is some sort of prophet?

            C’mon now smelly, say what you said a few days ago…we’ll be “forced” to accept O’care…was your choice of words if memory serves me correctly.

            Obama’s “Universal” Service Plan – Part 1
            Training a Socialist Army of World Servers

            Servers(shills and trolls) just like smilee, Doc, Nick, Alex, Dave47D, rbrooks, ronr, mark, Jeff, KG, nc, etc., etc.

            “I will ask for your service and your active citizenship when I am president of the United States … this will be a central cause of my presidency,” – Barack Obama.

            “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” – Barack Obama

            “The disruption of the present organization is the first step toward community organization…. All change means disorganization of the old and organization of the new.” – Rules for Radicals (excerpts here) by Saul Alinsky, the Marxist “organizer” whose disciples mentored Obama.

            “People of all ages, stations, and skills will be
            asked to serve…. I will set a goal for all American middle and high school students to perform 50 hours of service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year.” – Barack Obama

            Brave New World: “A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned… to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers.” – Aldous Huxley
            http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/08/1-service.htm

          • smilee

            What a joke and fool you are!

          • JeffH

            Spoken like the good little servant you are!
            LMAOAROFPMP!

      • WTS/JAY

        Nick: Most Americans want Obamacare. That is fact.

        That is in fact, a lie! President Obama said on Tuesday, September 17, that Americans were wrong to doubt his signature healthcare reform law, saying concerns over rising costs or worsening health outcomes were not supported by the evidence. In an interview with Telemundo on Tuesday, the president was asked if “everybody [was] wrong” after polling data indicated that a majority of Americans oppose the law and believe it will raise their healthcare costs.

        “Yes,” the president said with a chuckle. “They are.”

        On Monday, September 16, Obama said there is “no serious evidence” that Obamacare is holding back the economy. Other than the fact that every day there are more examples of hiring freezes, layoffs and slashed hours as well as panicked union leaders personally begging him for exemptions from the law?

        So who is lying here, Nick, you or Obama?

  • Amfer Ferg

    I think the message obama is sending to our enemies is, “Look what I did – I’m bringing this country down. This is what you couldn’t do but I DID IT”. A real signal that he has broken America and is ripe for the final scene….

    • Doc Sarvis

      What a farce. America is not broken. Our economy is better now than it was when he initially took office. Our combat troops are out of Iraq and are scaling down in Afghanistan. Most Americans are still on the health care they were on last month and the rest have new options for health care (and we all have health care enhancements we did not before). Sure, Congress is screwed up but America has always had challenges. You folks are giving up on America.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        On what do you base your opinion that our economy is better now, Doc?
        Is the Affordable Care Act actually affordable?
        http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/affordable-care-act-actually-affordable-millennials-maybe-not

        • WTS/JAY

          Based on the main-stream propaganda that he imbibes night after night…?

      • hungry4food

        Doc anyone can claim the economy is in recovery when you have a Federal Reserve buying 85 billion a month of your debt , Wake up man !!!!!

      • red neck

        Your “options” for health care…. If you like your plan you can stick with it and if you like your doctor you can keep him / her…. Both lies that have been spewed by your almighty great and undocumented “leader”… Premiums rising by as much as 150% is yet another one of your options for health care. Deductibles rising by as much as 100% another one of your options…. Employers dropping their workers coverage another one of your options… A part time American work force your option once again… Doctors leaving private medical clinics again your option… Hey Doc….. Your options SUCK.

      • Vigilant

        “You folks are giving up on America.”
        No, Sarvis, you gave up on the truth a long time ago.

        • JeffH

          Time after time I wonder just what world liberal/progressives are living in…it’s certainly not the real world. They do not have a fixed truth…truth to them is relative and changing.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    What we need is not “isolationism”, rather we need “non-interventionism”.
    We should trade Freely with the World, and butt out of their politics.
    Note that Free Trade does not mean Government meddling like is the case with NAFTA and other so-called “Free Trade” policies which are administered by Government panels.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/2012/06/gary-north/free-trade-2/

    • John Myers

      Well said OriginalDave,
      Non-intervention is a better word and my mistake not to think of it and use it.
      Best,
      John

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Thank you, John.

      • NickCzudy

        Bravo John. I finally agree with you. we could use a long period of non intervention to rebuild America.
        regards
        Nick Czudy
        lose the birther and Muslim scam.

        • WTS/JAY

          Obama has, on many occasions, proclaimed the fact that he is very proud of his muslim-heritage. You, seem to be the only one hell-bent on contradicting him. Besides, what is so wrong with being a muslim, or having a muslim-president, for that matter? Do you hate muslims, Nick?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Spot on, Jay. Way to trap those dishonest Liberal Progressives.

    • Jeff

      That sounds good in theory, but in practical terms it means we have to lower our environmental and safety standards to the lowest common denominator. My biggest gripe with Bill Clinton was his referring to how these concerns would be dealt with through “side agreements.” Such standards should have been the essence of the agreement.

  • TML

    “After all, Putin is an ex-KGB thug and a dictator who controls Russia. He also has hang-ups about homosexuals. He has waged war on his neighbors and has been ruthless in expanding Russia’s influence. Yet was Putin wrong to write:”

    Obviously Putin was correct in his words. The outrage over him being ex-KGB is mere ad hominem that convicts the perceived character or motives of a person, rather than the actual argument or statement being made.

    I still do not understand why people confuse the idea of being ‘exceptional’ (e.g. unique) with ‘exceptionalism’ – which is the perception that a country, society, institution, movement, or time period is the exception, and thus does not need to conform to normal rules or general principles. I think it’s clear that the context of Putin’s statement was in the latter definition.

    Perhaps as John pointed out, Tom Engelhardt articulated well, that it is this pride of being exceptional that has led to the notion of spreading ‘democracy’ under the auspices of humanitarianism.

    The final paragraphs of your article are good, although I think isolationism is too strong a word, and prefer non-interventionism.

    PS. I think in the principle of nonintervention, ‘leaving Islam alone’ is the rightful thing to do. It shouldn’t matter if we “believe” Islam will ‘leave us alone’. The question itself seems rhetorical to those warmongers who use religious fear to gain support.

    • John Myers

      Well written comments TML,
      Thank you for sharing them.
      Best,
      John Myers

      • TML

        Likewise

  • NickCzudy

    John Meyer.

    I was thinking while reading your piece that you sounded reasonable today and I was impressed.

    Then you burst the bubble with the Obama is a Muslim and not born in this country. Splat. there goes any credence, to what you wrote.
    Recently I went through tracing all of the birther issues that many on this site profess. I read all of your propaganda and within the space of 15 minutes I was able to for once and for all, kill this has pure baloney. All of the evidence that are spouted by the Right wing Bubble was proven to be false. So if you want any one to listen to your opinions, you really have to end the craziness.
    The so called Kenyan birth certificate was produced and when I first saw it looked good., then further searches produced articles that it was proved to be forgery.

    The Hawaii birth certificate is authentic. For you and your followers, here to keep bloviating over this birther and Muslim issue show me one thing.
    I do not intend to be cruel, but you are all crazy. Your non belief in science and the readiness to tank the worlds economy over your misguided zealotry tells me you are totally living in another dimension.
    It makes it difficult to listen to your theories without looking back on your birther rants. I sorry, I cannot believe a word you are saying.
    Nick Czudy

    • WTS/JAY

      Non Sequitur…but nice try to divert. The subject discussed currently is the preaching of “Exceptionalism” by a less than exceptional “puppet” in office. Do try your best to stay on course, Mr. Czudy!

    • alboy5

      Oblackys grandma saw the birth in Kenya.
      Oblacky applied as a foreign student and was accepted by Harvard.
      Good work Harvard G.W.Bush and Oblacky.

  • NickCzudy

    The GOP Congress should be impeached for taking us down into the toilet again. I will not say a pile of Bull $hit like you did. You guys are all like little school yard bullies with your constant name calling and lies..
    Stop it.

  • Chuckb

    TML, We can’t leave Islam alone, they won’t leave us alone. They continue to migrate to this country, You say they come to find a more peaceful life, I say their goal is to proselytize America and change it to a nation governed by Sharia Law.
    One has to wonder, what made their country they migrate from so unbearable?

    Myers, You say, we lost the Vietnam War. I say we never lost a battle of consequence in the Vietnam War and you people keep repeating, we lost the war.

    That we left Vietnam was a political decision. People like Ted Kennedy, Jane Fonda, Carl Levins, Bill and Hillary Clinton were part of those aiding and abetting the enemy by their protesting, assisted by left wing scum in the Congress.
    Don’t insult the military by saying we lost. In fact if not for the liberal democrats, we wouldn’t have been there in the first place.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Funny but we never had a problem with the Muslim population in our country before the wars.
      Has it occurred to you that our meddling in their countries has been the driver behind increased Muslim immigration to the US?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        No that is not the reason.
        So are you trying to say that since we destroyed the rats’ nests and can’t rebuild them fast enough out of guilt we are bringing these people in out of guilt.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I’m saying that the Muslim immigration didn’t start growing rapidly here until the US started their military interventions. I didn’t venture a guess as to why that is the case.

          • John Myers

            Dear Original Dave,
            I recommend the book, “America Alone”, to you and all PLD readers.
            http://www.amazon.ca/America-Alone-The-World-Know/dp/1596985275.
            It is along the lines of your comments and the book was even banned in Canada. I believe it can be downloaded for free on PDF.
            Best,
            John

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thank you, John.

      • chuckb

        DaveH, We’ve had a problem with the black Muslims since they were brought here from Africa as slaves. “The Nation of Islam” is quite contrary to the white government and over the years have caused many conflicts in this country even though most were trivial.

        Our meddling. as you say has nothing to do with Muslims migrating, unless you consider slavery as meddling.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Those were Muslims who were already in this country. I’m talking about the growth of Muslim immigration since 2001.

          • Jeff

            Don’t confuse Chuckie with too many new-fangled ideas, Dave. He’s liable to get mad and call you a dad-burn Bolshevik. The irony is that as nutty as the leaders of the Nation of Islam have been over the years, their overall message of self-reliance and community should resonate with conservatives.

    • TML

      Chuckb says, “TML, We can’t leave Islam alone, they won’t leave us alone. They continue to migrate to this country, You say they come to find a more peaceful life, I say their goal is to proselytize America and change it to a nation governed by Sharia Law. One has to wonder, what made their country they migrate from so unbearable?”

      You’re putting the cart before the horse. Part of the reason why radical Islamists target the US is because we have not left them alone (i.e. imperialist interventionism; bombing and invading nearly every Middle East country – which started long before 9/11) as well as the unconditional support for Israel. As for at home, tighter immigration restriction could alleviate those fears of yours, which I think is conspiracy minded nonsense, but I support strict immigration on principle. And as far as what made their country so unbearable, I’ve been told, is because their leaders/government were too repressive. I’d say not much different than those who came to America to escape religious persecution from the repressive religious doctrines of the Church of England. Most here enjoy the freedom of separation of Church and State, although they have been experiencing much discrimination since 9/11.

      Chuckb says, “I say we never lost a battle of consequence in the Vietnam War and you people keep repeating, we lost the war.”

      Losing battles, and losing the war are two different things. You can blame it on whatever you like, but the intervention in Vietnam was to fight against the spread of communism, which ended with a North Vietnamese victory in 1975. There is no North and South Vietnam today – we lost. You can blame the liberals, but I think its fair to say that after the Tet offensive, the declining support for the war was non-partisan.

      • Chuckb

        TML Where have we hindered their nations? like our supporting them in Bosnia, We send money to hamas in Palestine, in fact we support a lot of the Muslim Countries. They use the support of Israel to condemn us.
        You say, the people who sought out America wanted to escape the Church of England, yes, that is true, however, they didn’t bring the Church of England with them when they settled here
        These so called peaceful Muslims you support are only as peaceful as the religion they bring with them .NOT!

        So, how about the Tet offensive? we kicked their butt good and the N Vietnamese took a great loss.

        You can thank the likes of Dan Rather and his commie side kick Walter Cronkite and the fore mentioned people for turning people against the war and forcing our “withdrawal,” it wasn’t by defeating us in the battle field.
        You can call it a defeat if you want too, I call it a defeat of the American people by the Liberal left. Hollywood, the media, University Professors, and mostly the Democratic Party. (Bolsheviks)

        • TML

          Chuckb says, “…like our supporting them in Bosnia, We send money to hamas in Palestine, in fact we support a lot of the Muslim Countries. They use the support of Israel to condemn us.”

          Thus, the imperialist interventionist, and hegemony policies, which have made us more enemies than friends. We shouldn’t be giving foreign aid to anyone.

          Chuckb says, “You say, the people who sought out America wanted to escape the Church of England, yes, that is true, however, they didn’t bring the Church of England with them when they settled here
          These so called peaceful Muslims you support are only as peaceful as the religion they bring with them .NOT!”

          Um, they did bring their religion with them. I support the principles of religious freedom. You apparently do not.

          Chuckb says, “So, how about the Tet offensive? we kicked their butt good and the N Vietnamese took a great loss.
          You can thank the likes of Dan Rather and his commie side kick Walter Cronkite and the fore mentioned people for turning people against the war and forcing our “withdrawal,” it wasn’t by defeating us in the battle field.
          You can call it a defeat if you want too, I call it a defeat of the American people by the Liberal left. Hollywood, the media, University Professors, and mostly the Democratic Party. (Bolsheviks)”

          It was indeed more of a political defeat, rather than militarily, but a defeat nonetheless. You sound like a neo-conservative warmonger to blame liberals or anyone else for turning against the war that we shouldn’t have been involved in the first place, putting the lives of our soldiers in the midst of war for foreign lands, under the banner of foreign independence.

          • Chuckb

            TML, You didn’t get the point, the muslims brought the same religion that caused them all their problems. You will say, oh, that was a different sect, baloney, they all believe in Sharia law, that’s the problem. They all believe Islam should rule the world

            TML says, You sound like a neo-conservative warmonger to blame liberals or anyone else for turning against the war that we shouldn’t have been involved in.

            It’s not the turning against the war, Anybody that wants war, has watched too many football games, When we get involved in wars whether we like them or not, the troops are ours, those are our sons and daughters, So we send them to where ever, then we protest, we burn the flag, we spit on our troops, we side with the enemy and when they return, we spit on them. all because we

            are against the war. Isn’t it strange, this is the only time in my life having seen our service personnel spit on when they return,

            I would support our troops irregardless, if the war was one I did not agree with, then I would complain to my Congressman or Senator, certainly not spit on the troops or sympathize with the enemy.

    • John Myers

      Dear Chuck,
      Please reconsider what I wrote:
      “Yet in the past 50 years, Washington has thrust America into three insurgent wars. With the greatest fighting men and women in the world and the best military technology ever invented…”

      I don’t see how you consider this an insult to our military.

      Sincerely,
      John Myers

    • Cathy Hovey

      You forgot John Kerry. He toured the country with Hanoi Jane, complaining about the war. He could do that cause his three purple heart injuries (NOT!) weren’t all that bad ya know.

      • smilee

        The BS is getting deeper and deeper

        • WTS/JAY

          Yes, now that you’re here, smilee!

          • smilee

            You say the most stupid things!!

          • WTS/JAY

            Your grammar leaves much to be desired, Amigo.

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            ¿Practicando Español, Amigo?

      • Jeff

        Who is responsible for more American deaths and damage to American prestige in the world?
        a) Jane Fonda or LBJ
        b) Jane Fonda or Robert McNamara
        c) Jane Fonda or Richard Nixon
        d) Jane Fonda or Henry Kissinger
        e) Jane Fonda or W
        f) Jane Fonda or Uncle Dick Cheney
        g) Jane Fonda or Rummy
        h) Jane Fonda or the Neocons who would be in power today had
        Romney been elected?

        • KG

          Jane Fonda has never been on trial for anyone’s murder.

          Lyndon Johnson was convinced that we could win a guerrilla war against the ‘inferior yellow Slopes and Zipperheads’.

          McNamara was convinced that the technical superiority of America would overcome the simple stoneage tactics of the Vietnamese, even though a bicycle with 200lbs of rice only cost about $50 while a Huey cost about 1-2 million. That 200lb of rice would cost about $100K to transport by helicopter.

          Richard Nixon, a man who struggled with his Quaker roots his whole life, sent thousands of young American men to battle to hep insure his reelection in 1972.

          Kissinger – what can I say?

          ‘W” may be the biggest mass-murder since Hitler. The ‘shock and awe’ campaign in the beginning of ‘Iraqi Freedom’ killed thousands of civilians sleeping in the middle of the night while the prolong bombing campaign, reminiscent of Dresden 60 years previous, may have killed up to 2 million Iraqi citizens.

          Dick Cheney is Satan in the flesh.

          Rumsfield made sure that our Army was ill-equipped to prevent ant liberal investors from profiting form the war by supplying proper equipment.

  • S.C.Murf

    John, John, John, John, John—- The only thing I lost in nam was my virginity.

    up the hill
    airborne

    • John Myers

      Dear S.C.
      Great comment! I laughed.
      Best,
      John

    • KG

      Was that with the Master Sargent after looking at naked pictures of Ann Margaret and smoking opium??

      • S.C.Murf

        Where’s your mind at kg? Still with satan?

        up the hill
        airborne

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    Thanks to all the Liberal Progressives (Doc, Nick, ???) who post on this board so the average readers can see just what Liberal Progressives really are. Hey, where are they all? Are they taking a holiday? Is their stupid meter on empty, so they need to recharge?

    • http://www.rt.com Alondra

      DaveH: “Hey, where are they (Liberal Progressives) all? Are they taking a holiday?”

      With your intelligence, Dave, it’s inexcusable that you couldn’t figure out the reason of the Liberal Progressives absence.

      It’s the gov’t SHUT DOWN. It means no payments, no holidays. Who will work for FREE?

      And there is a second reason. After watching their News man Jon Stewart I think for the first time they are having doubt about “AFFORDABILITY” of the O’care.

      So I guess, right now they are reading 2,600+ pages “AFFORDABLE” healthcare law OR maybe they are trying to enroll in the O’care exchanges.

      In case if you missed Stewart’s “Daily Show” with the Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius here is the link. She is very convincing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy-iV1JbmPc

      And there may be the third reason: a new AP-GFK polls finds that Obama’s job approval rating has plummeted to 37%; The disapproval rating is up to 53%. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/10/09/media-fail-obama-approval-drops-to37

      Did you hear anything about that from the prostituting MSM?

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        I don’t watch news programs.
        And you’re right, Alondra, I’m falling down on the job. I should have realized that the Shills might be on layoff.

        • http://www.rt.com Alondra

          I don’t either watch TV.

          I canceled Cable two years ago. I get my news from Radio and Internet.

          About Monday Stewart’s “Daily Show” with the Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius I heard while I was driving.

          This is about “A new report on Lehman Brothers says the bank was hiding billions of dollars in debt right before the financial crisis.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CFvEmyY8Uc
          “It’s the Biggest bank robbing in the history. And WHO are robbers – BANKS”

          • Jeff

            Rush will tell you all you need to “know.”

          • http://www.rt.com Alondra

            Yes, Jeff, you right. He tells me what I need to know. And Mark Levin tells as well. But I do not understand WHAT is your problem?

            Who tell you what you “need to know”?
            Chris Matthew, Ed Schultz, Brian Williams, Wolf Blitzer or Anderson Cooper – the depraved one?

      • Jana

        hahahahaha tooo funnnny

    • WTS/JAY

      Furloughed, non-essential personnel…?

      • JeffH

        I love it! LMAO!

    • Jeff

      Your creepy side is showing again!

  • jag

    The U.S. under osama is now a third world country, and he’s up on his Throne preaching marxist ideals and scaring all the koolaid drinkers that its all a rich whiteman thing, holding ALL AMERICANS accountable but himself , being the dicktater he b!

  • alboy5

    When a dictator makes laws he is immune to, it is time to impeach Obama.

  • alboy5

    Iran approves Obamacare, but they still wont shake the hand of Obama their inferior.

  • alboy5

    Obama has violated his oath of office. By being a tyrant and placing the atrocious burden of obamacare with no way out, he should be ousted from office.

  • alboy5

    Obama has violated his oath of office. By being a tyrant and placing the atrocious burden of obamacare with no way out, he should be ousted from office.

    • Daniel F. Melton

      I’ve been saying that since the first stolen election.

  • alboy5

    If Oblackycare is so good libturds, then why isnt optional to enroll, why must white people be whipped to make them pay for it.

    • Daniel F. Melton

      And why does congress and their staffs get “subsidies” amounting to 70% of the cost? When is “o”boy going to sign up at full cost?

  • Cathy Hovey

    Ok, the only comment that I have, and I’m not even sure I understood the writers comment on it, but I don’t believe we can just ‘leave the muslims alone’ and then they’ll leave us alone. There has been too much reported about their ‘book’ (Quaran or Kuran?) hating Americans. WND has 2 or 3 books by insiders blowing the cover off of them (I guess they coud have made it all up though), also says the Mosques’ basements are bomb shelters, they are loaded with weapons, and I’ve seen many times how there are terrorist training camps thru out the US. I have always said that I felt they were just waiting for the time to attack again. And that’s why we shouldn’t be allowing them to keep moving here. I believe Obutthead is a muslim. I’m trying to find out the names and positions of the muslim czars he’s appointed. Is it true he has paid money to the muslim brotherhood, his or ours, or both, not sure.

  • Diane Ringen

    Yes. In order for America to return to the nation it was founded to be we must return to God. If we have lost our exceptional status, it will return then.

  • WTS/JAY

    For the lieberal-progressives who are still confused as to who is responsible for the “government-shutdown”….

    The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going — except for ObamaCare.

    This is not a matter of opinion. You can check the Congressional Record.

    As for the House of Representatives’ right to grant or withhold money, that is not a matter of opinion either. You can check the Constitution of the United States. All spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which means that Congressmen there have a right to decide whether or not they want to spend money on a particular government activity.

    Whether ObamaCare is good, bad or indifferent is a matter of opinion. But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion.

    ObamaCare is indeed “the law of the land,” as its supporters keep saying, and the Supreme Court has upheld its Constitutionality.

    But the whole point of having a division of powers within the federal government is that each branch can decide independently what it wants to do or not do, regardless of what the other branches do, when exercising the powers specifically granted to that branch by the Constitution.

    The hundreds of thousands of government workers who have been laid off are not idle because the House of Representatives did not vote enough money to pay their salaries or the other expenses of their agencies — unless they are in an agency that would administer ObamaCare.

    Since we cannot read minds, we cannot say who — if anybody — “wants to shut down the government.” But we do know who had the option to keep the government running and chose not to. The money voted by the House of Representatives covered everything that the government does, except for ObamaCare.

    The Senate chose not to vote to authorize that money to be spent, because it did not include money for ObamaCare.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says that he wants a “clean” bill from the House of Representatives, and some in the media keep repeating the word “clean” like a mantra. But what is unclean about not giving Harry Reid everything he wants?

    If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility!

    http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/10/04/who-shut-down-the-government-n1716292/page/2

  • Karma

    I always look t the crazies like michelle Bachman and Louie Gohmert(not sure that’s the spelling)and ask the question-Who in the hell vote for these people. Here is the answer. You people are crazy ,sprouting all this nonsense. I just saw on CNN that American adults are way behind other countries in very basic maths, science and English- we are not talking about kids, this is the adults. When you get on here though, it is easy to understand why this is so. Many people – the writer included, seems to have a vested interest in keeping the readers dumb and in the dark-hence these articles

    • ron

      you must have Karma or just full of it….the very fact that you watch CNN explains your ignorance. Yes the US is behind other countries as you suggest, but it is a clear example of what this gov’t has done over the years to keep people ignorant and uneducated, to control them!! And there is better than 51% of YOU that believe the crap you are being fed, thus why Americans are so stupid, and yet you continue to vote these frikkin idiots in office and stand by their side. So in your post you are describing YOU!!!! DA

    • JeffH

      Karma says “I just saw on CNN that American adults are way behind other countries in very basic maths, science and English- we are not talking about kids, this is the adults.”

      Because you saw it on CNN it must be true? Yeah, right…and pigs can fly too!

      By any chance do you date a “French model”?

      Speaking of dumbed down, Karma obviously puts his trust in the MSM by taking CNN’s word for it…and therefore it is easy to understand why you would make such a profound and stupid statement.

  • Eagle525

    Obama is not in touch with reality and that means he is a very sick individual.

    • Chuckb

      Eagle25, Barry is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the real problem behind the curtain, It’s quite obvious, he, when confronted, has to delay any action on whatever emergency comes up, to get instructions on what he should do. The man is a complete fraud and you can blame the Democratic party.

      If you listen carefully when he makes a comment on a subject, he keeps referring to this country as a Democracy, “we are a Republic”,
      however, I’d bet he doesn’t know the difference.

      What is really mind boggling, why didn’t most people see him for what he is when he first ran for office, when his party refused to answer any questions concerning his past life. Anything they did disclose, could not be verified. The question about his birth certificate, the Hawaiian Dept of health refused to allow anyone to see an original certificate and presented a copy that was questioned and called a counterfeit. My personal opinion, there’s something derogatory on the Hawaiian original.

      I believe, if he did attend college in this country it was paid for by the Saudi Government. I also believe he is a closet Muslim and he certainly is partial to the Muslim Brotherhood.
      I also believe the Congress is afraid to impeach him for any reason, they are afraid of the black population tearing the country apart with riots. Maybe in the future, people will be more concerned about who they vote for and the consequence of not knowing who that person may be..

      It would certainly be interesting to know who the Bolsheviks are behind the curtain. The Wizard of Oz

  • Jeff

    Keep shoveling it, Myers. There are still a few loons here like Chuckie who will buy it, but the vast majority of the country realizes what you guys are. For years you Bircher/Isolationist types spoke only in quiet rooms. Now you’re public, but your ideas are no less reactionary. Yes, we’ve gone overboard in military adventurism, but the answer is not to crawl into a shell. The world’s become a smaller place, and it is not possible to isolate ourselves from the world as you suggest. Some of the foreign aid we give out is designed to prop up unsavory regimes, but some of it is designed to help poor countries develop and can be one of our best diplomatic tools.