Establishment GOP Attack On Paul Continues: He Would Have Appeased Hitler

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Speaking on CNN this week, Representative Peter King (R-NY) flew his establishment Republican colors, jumping to the aid of New Jersey Governor Chris Christie in lambasting Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) for not being a surveillance-loving war hawk.

King suggested that Paul would have favored a policy of appeasement toward Adolf Hitler, had the Kentucky legislator been in Congress in the years leading up to the Second World War.

“He talks about us wanting to start wars and somehow people enjoy war and he talks about how we want to bomb everything,” he said. “Is that what he thinks our military does?”

“What this reminds me of, someone like Senator Paul and others in that isolationist wing,” King continued, “you know the Republicans had this debate back in the 1930s when you had the isolationists and the Charles Lindberghs saying we should appease Hitler, then the Democrats had it in the 1960s when the anti-war movement blamed America first and in both cases it hurt the party for years, each party was hurt for years.”

“I’m afraid that is what Senator Paul is going to do with us. He wants to retreat from the world. He wants to isolate ourselves, go back to ‘Fortress America.’”

HT: Raw Story

Sam Rolley

Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After covering community news and politics, Rolley took a position at Personal Liberty Media Group where could better hone his focus on his true passions: national politics and liberty issues. In his daily columns and reports, Rolley works to help readers understand which lies are perpetuated by the mainstream media and to stay on top of issues ignored by more conventional media outlets.

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  • TIME

    Dear People,
    Peter King, a follower of the “Luciferian Talmud” its that plain and simple, he is also one of the New World Orders good little “neo cons.”
    He is also Backed by “B’nai Brith” of what was not only started by, but as well still funded by the Rothschild’s, so to is the JDL.
    Can I make it any more clear?
    Oh and yes, Joe Lieberman is also one, so to is Chuck Schumer, Debbie Wasserman, And the list just keeps right on going.
    When these people speak of being “GOD’S chosen people”, the GOD to whom they refer is “LUCIFER.” The fallen ONE.
    Get it yet?
    Peace and Love

    • BALONEY TONEY MAHONEY

      Remember King also was a backer of the IRA back in the day & never looked at them as real bad guys like the Arabs…..PHONY!!!

    • Native Blood

      Time, your facts will pizz off lemmings from both sides of the paradigm. It is about time someone exposes these corrupt crooks for who they are because they are truly running the country and Israel practically owns us. Now watch the anti-semite brigade bring in the denials! They couldn’t tell you the difference between the Talmud and the torah!

  • Joanne

    When will it stop, King is just another RINO like Christie. Rand Paul is an American standing up for conservatives.

    • TheSilverRanger

      I’ll believe that when I see it. King, Paul, I don’t trust ANY of them. They’re POLITICIANS. Do you really think any politician will stand up for us? If it’s one thing I learned from George Carlin, politicians are all the same; garbage in, garbage out.

  • gene

    yes,our government is the enemy of the people!!!! when will our government understand you CAN NOT keep spending money you don’t have!!! and this is all you do,as far as I’am concerned the white house and congress is nothing short of a joke

  • gene

    If our forefathers were alive today I think they would revolt and form a militia and overthrow this present day government, and I, like millions of other people back Rand Paul because he is fighting for the people, but most in our govt don’t care a bit about the people here in our country,you care more about the illegal Mexicans and serians and many other foreign countrys!! you can not buy peace,it must be fought for, just beware,the people are coming

  • Vis Fac

    In one word NO! Just like all one dimensional liberals.
    Semper-Fi

  • DalasKnight

    Peter King and the rest of the GOP establishment would be the Hitler appeasers!! Hitler created the SS squads that went around taking weapons and demanding to see everyone’s papers and break into their homes to do illegal searches! Sounds like he and the other usurpers are the ones who want to give Obama dictatorial powers and a police state!!!

  • RAND PAUL IN 2016

    You’re a moron…he voted against Sandy aid & so did Cruz because they loaded it up with all kind of nonsense that had nothing to do with disasters. Truth be told, Paul is the ONLY guy out there that is trying to truly make us solvent, get rid of the F%6*in Fed Reserve & return power to the states. All these wars we’ve engaged in have cost us billions & billions & have not made us any safer, created more terrorists & made them hate us more, and made the power brokers richer & have been used as a pretense to take away many, many freedoms..

    The time has come to withdraw from the world, let them figure it out & save our gold & blood!

    • Dave

      Hey genius, was Katrina aid loaded with pork yes or no? What other hurricanes not loaded with pork?
      Shut up and stop being a supporter of a leach… KY gets $1.51 cents for every dollar they pay in. NJ gets .63 cents.
      Why don’t you tell the political opportunist to get KY to give back the .51 cents back and pay their own way. You friggen fraud

      • RAND THE ONLY MAN FOR THE JOB!

        Hey, are you a moron or what? Before they voted on Sandy Aid, Schumer & the other Lib Big spenders loaded the bill up with all kinds of nonsense that had nothing to do with disasters! And Paul simply wanted to balance that with foreign aid spending cuts….that is called being fiscally responsible, something most Dems & GOPers , including the big blowhard Christie know nothing about. And Paul has said over & over he has never sought much pork for his state since becoming a senator.

        Eat coast & west coast states know a thing or two about wasting money, and sure enough even if NJ got back over a dollar for everyone they put in, it would just be wasted on some liberal nonsense. Christie is a phony gasbag, who is nothing but a CINO!!

        Rand Paul has more integrity in his pinkie than Christie does in his whole big ass body, & Paul has more brains in his left buttock than Christie has in head!

        http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/paul-christie-gimme-problem/2013/07/30/id/517866

        • Dave

          LOL!!! Ok…. you have provided a good laugh

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It really doesn’t take much to make you happy. Ignorance is bliss, as we all know.

        • Don 2

          You were right the first time. Hoplophobe Dave is a moron who couldn’t get a job in a pizza shop, so he carries the water for the boys (and girls) of the Dumocrat party by being a peon troll, trying to defend the indefensible with illogical spin.

      • Douglas Kelly

        Dave, your federalist, big government decides which states get what in the tax schemes. Apparently, you don’t know this. I’m really afraid of low information voters like you. That’s the problem with democracy; even fools like you can vote.

        • KENYAN KRUSHER

          YES! And it’s the fiscally sound states like Indiana & so forth that ending baling out the failures!

          • Douglas Kelly

            You got it Krusher. That is the simple reason that big government federalism doesn’t work. One size does not fit all.

          • Dave

            NY, CA, NJ all get less back than they pay in.
            KY, SC, AL, MS, AK take much more than they pay in…
            I see a pattern..

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yeah the pattern is that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. The Leaders have no reason to buy votes in the states that are already brainwashed into voting for them, so they concentrate their vote-buying in those states that aren’t on their side. Yet. The Leaders are sly devils. But then, I don’t need to tell Dave that.

        • Dave

          Douglas,
          A package similar to Sandy went through congress for Katrina and that bill was also loaded with extra pork but somehow the southern GOP “fiscally responsible” Lawmakers found a way to vote yes for Katrina and no on Sandy. Low information is you to a tee.
          Go do some actual research instead of spouting off at the mouth.
          Looks like those federalist big gov has a thing for the conservative states, they as a group are leaching off the liberal states… as a group. And who holds sway in the south? Conservatives and the GOP.
          Deal with reality for once conservative….

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Dave isn’t a fool. Shill? Probably. He is just stumping for Big Government Leaders who want to feather their nests at the rest of our expense.

          • Dave

            You are a liar DaveH. I am a liberal who loves this country and do not want to see conservative ignorants like you destroy it. I don’t even believe you are a citizen.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thanks Dave, for showing the readers once again what disrespectful creeps the self-proclaimed “compassionate” Liberal Progressives really are.

  • BALONEY TONEY MAHONEY

    Are you for real???? Yeah, Paul, virtually the only guy in Wash. D.C., who takes the vow to uphold the Constitution seriously is a piece of crap?? He & his pops taking on the FED show he’s got more balls than all of NY & NJ combined!!

    • macgyver1948

      Hi Toney… Yep but balls does not necessarily mean correct or right. Hitler had balls and he was a psychotic homicidal lunatic with worldly aspirations. Thank God that lunatic lost even if it wasn’t soon enough… The Pauls are in it for themselves and the very wealthy and they hide that by claiming to be for the Constitution. Ya gotta believe in equal liberty and freedom for all citizens, not just the Plutocracy, or it won’t work as The real Founders intended.

      • BALNOEY TONEY MAHONEY

        I see time has not mitigated your ignorance…The Pauls are in bed with the Rich Power elite?….HAHAHA…you still make me laugh!! God Bless You!!

        • macgyver1948

          Toney…
          It’s not time that will change what I see. Things like the Tea Party
          dwindling to nothing and the GOP, or those like them, starting to
          work for We The People and they, the GOP, lose their price tags as
          well as their stopping the signing of Mafia like pledges that hurt us
          would be a great start. I also see you still do not allow for
          differing views…. Still very Libertarian of you.

          • BALONEY TONEY MAHONEY

            I allow for differing views, but I calls them as I sees them & you are wrong. Paul is beyond the petty politics of the DEMs & GOP. He should really start his own party, but he feels he can get more accomplished from within the GOP, which as bad as it is, is still a much better alternative to the DEMS, who are so far gone it is scary!

            BTW, how’s that Obamacare working out? BTW#2, I’d like to hear all your excuses & justifications for all the scandals & darkness of this administration. The IRS commissioner was at the White House over 100 times, Gee I wonder what they talked about? Spying illegally on reporters? If it was a REPUB. doing these things,, you’d be howling from the rooftops about impeachment!! Obama is a complete failure & war criminal & was gun running weapons from Benghazi to Syria, in violation of the Constitution just like I told you months ago!

          • macgyver1948

            Toney… So you really think Rand Paul is his own person, do you? Fact is he is owned by stuff such as the Norquist Pledge which means he MUST do as he is told. IF you remember during this last presidential campaign Norquist said “Don’t worry about Romney, he will do as he is told”. Norquist was saying that of all his signers but Romney, when he wins the Oval Office (LOL) would be Norquist’s, and others with him, biggest prize, well the Oval Office would be. Rand is a great mouth piece puppet for Norquist as Romney was. IF you still think Rand works for We The People than Norquist has done his job nicely and Rand is a good little puppeteer.

            You want to hear all my excuses for the Obama Admin? WOW, I am not part of the Obama Admin so I do not need excuses but I do not believe much of what comes out of the Right about them. Even though Obama is not perfect he is still the lesser of the evils compared to who you want to run our lives into the ground in favor of the elite. Yep, they found a great little puppet in you.

            By the way (1). If we are going to compare war criminals we need to mention the little bush. I will always blame him for every American who was killed or crippled in his immoral invasion of Iraq. How many lives did Obama lose compared to the nasty little bush? And the nasty little bush did the immoral invasion on purpose. Obama never got anyone killed on purpose. Do we really need to go into how much money the Iraq immoral invasion is still costing us? By the way (2). Never mind all the huge money the little bush gave away to his big oil buddies as pay back. Whose money did he use to pay them back?

            I do not like what the little bush and HLS cooked up, I strongly feel what they did is very UN-Constitutional, with wire and phone tapping without warrants and I do not like it flowing into the internet but we are stuck with it until we get rid of it. Have you forgotten what your side did? You can wonder all you want what goes on in Washington behind closed but that goes to the point of needing to eliminate secrecy.

            By the way (3). We need to also know who is donating big money to campaigns too because, referring to Citizens United and SCOTUS, we need to know who is buying politicians. The SCOTUS betrayed us big time with that decision. Are you deliberately forgetting what your side has been and is doing?

            Neither side is perfect but your side, including the Rands, is not in it for us. They, the Rands and the TP owned GOP, are in IT for the benefit and protection of the big corporations and the very wealthy such as the Kochs and those like them, who also only care about their saving money and building their bottom lines at the expense of the rest of us, that includes a total disregard for the environment and our health. This is what your side is protecting more so then The Left. That is partly why your side wants to keep campaign donations a secret. Good luck with what you believe, and you have that right, but I have to wonder, as I always have with you, whose side are you really on unless you are filthy rich and as apathetic toward the majority of us?

            “I calls them as I sees them” too.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Our side wants to “keep campaign donations a secret”?
            Where do you get such warrantless accusations, MacGyver? It just makes you look ignorant to say such things.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH…
            Haven’t you heard the SCOTUS decision to grant Citizens United’s
            request to keep campaign pledges a secret? It was fairly recent.
            Citizen United is a far Right group. Are you really alive?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yes, I am really alive. That’s why the word of a Liberal Progressive means nothing to me.
            Do you have any evidence to back up your conjecture?

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH…
            I gave you things to check on but I guess you missed them. Did you check out the link I gave you on the dangers of oil pipelines? Remember you said to me “MacGyver (obviously he’s no MacGyver) says
            — “who also only care about their saving money and building their bottom lines at the expense of the rest of us, that includes a total disregard for the environment and our health”. That’s quite a generalization you have going there, MacGyver. Could you be more specific, and provide some evidence to back up your claims?”.

            Go to that link I gave you for (ONLY one of so many) to show how companies do things at our expense by denying the dangers of what they do. Wouldn’t you believe it more if you did your own research instead of asking me? But here is that link again if you missed it or ignored it. That is what I do and so often I find many things you just wouldn’t like because it is not what your side wants you to believe. But let’s give it a try.
            http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/americas_dangerous_pipelines/index.html

            You say to me “Do you have any evidence to back up your conjecture?” I know a lot of what I say is backed up but so often I hear accusations about Obama
            with nothing behind it from your side. I have done a lot of research to know I can not in clear conscience say I am for Liberty equally for all if I shifted to the Right. You really should do your own research too so you wont have to ask others to do it for you.

            Oh, you say “Yes, I am really alive. That’s why the word of a Liberal Progressive means nothing to me. Do you have any evidence to back up your conjecture?” I will take your word for it that you are really alive but to automatically discount a source just because it is on the other side shows your narrowness and I am being polite. I read many articles by the Right going in with an open mind but they so often change that but I give them a chance. If what I read is just
            charges and conjuncture, I see you like that word, with nothing backing what they say I leave with a dull opinion of the writer. Often I consult Google on the article subject and I see the Right article write is just programming, or at least attempting to.

            I remember a picture that was presented by your side showing the 2 Obamas saluting with their left hands. “See their wedding rings are on their saluting, left, hands so that is proof they are commies”. Well, that pic turned out to be a not so good Photo Shop job but many of you Right guys believed as was wanted. Much of what I read from the Right article writers turns out to be bad “Photo Shop” jobs.Believe what you want, it is your right, but to get so offensive with those who do not agree with you guys is not very Libertarian of you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, MacGyver, I didn’t miss your link.
            When companies pollute the environment, they do indeed have a responsibility to pay for the damages. It’s called Responsibility, something Liberal Progressives only recognize when it is people other than themselves that are being held responsible.

            Nobody is denying dangers. Life is dangerous. The difference is a matter of — Do we punish people for things they have done wrong, or do we punish people for things that they “might” do? The Conservatives typically prefer the former, while the Liberal Progressives typically prefer the latter. Note that the latter involves more Power and Perks for the Government Officials, so of course they will usually gravitate to the latter.

            MacGyver says — ” I will take your word for it that you are really alive but to automatically discount a source just because it is on the other side shows your narrowness and I am being polite”.
            Ad homimen. Can you just stick to the facts, MacGyver instead of acting like a manipulative adolescent?

            MacGyver says — “I remember a picture that was presented by your side showing the 2 Obamas saluting with their left hands. “See their wedding rings are on their saluting, left, hands so that is proof they are commies”. Well, that pic turned out to be a not so good Photo Shop job but many of you Right guys believed as was wanted. Much of what I read from the Right article writers turns out to be bad “Photo Shop” jobs”.
            What in the world does that have to do with anything I’ve said, MacGyver? And “you Right guys”? What is a Right guy to you, MacGyver? I try to avoid using the Left/Right descriptions because they mean so many different things to different people. Your little anecdote is meaningless, as whether those people were “on my side”, or not, has nothing to do with our conversation.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH…You do either make up a lot about us Libs or your just pass on what you were told of us. Nice psychology you use and it is done so often
            by your side(s). Too bad we know better of our intentions than you do for it to effectively work for you. I Right tactic I know but… LOL

            You start this with “When companies pollute the environment, they do indeed have a
            responsibility to pay for the damages. It’s called Responsibility, something Liberal Progressives only recognize when it is people other than themselves that are being held responsible”

            Actually Dave we do believe in taking responsibilities for our actions. Not just when it suites us. We actually do believe is self responsibilities so you have been listening to lies of us or seeing only what you were told to see of us. We would want corporations run by Democratic, you know Left leaning and supporting, Boards of directors and Execs to take responsibilities. I would for my self.

            Personally I do not like the pre-emtive strike approach for many things. I do not like punishing people for what they “might do”. But we want them to know if they pollute the waters or the land or if they “spill” (as Exxon did not take serious responsibility when their
            tanker The Valdez (not sure of the spelling now) spilled mucho oil in Alaska and the took their sweet time cleaning it up because that would be an expense. The Courts fined them $100,000 a day until it was cleaned up but that is like fining you a penny a day for trash in your back yard. Itr seem to be treated by Exxon as a “Daily cost of doing business”) there will be a penalty. Exxon was fined because they were taking too long, you know, dragging their self protective
            greedy feet.

            You say “Ad homimen. Can you just stick to the facts, MacGyver instead of acting like a manipulative adolescent?”. I was sticking to the facts but that is the point, you do not like them so you go to the name calling much like “a manipulative adolescent” .

            Referring to my Photo Shop Comment you respond with “What in the world does that have to do with anything I’ve said, MacGyver? And “you Right guys”? What is a Right guy to you, MacGyver?”.

            The Photo Shop comment is an example of how so often you Right Guys edit or exaggerate the facts. I thought that was obvious. As for what is a
            “Right Guy” to me. Well, I guess I use that term for those who say and do anything to put down what comes from the Left without really knowing what they are talking about because they distort what
            we say to, I guess , prove something that isn’t true of us. To take that definition further I would include those who get angry and childlike so fast with those who do not agree with them they have to resort to name calling and insults and not try to discuss. Nothing
            gets done that way but I have learned that is a tactic of many a “Right Guy” when they try to distract instead of discuss. Did I answer your question?

            You may not use “Left/Right descriptions” but that does not eliminate your use of them in your wording and assaults. For example, you do not have to say the word “car” or “automobile” for people to know what you are talking about when you say things such as “my 4
            wheel ride that takes me places using gas and I can take riders”:. Well something like that, LOL…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            MacGyver says — “LOL”.
            What no verbal eyerolls, MacGyver? Who does that manipulative crap really work on? Certainly not intelligent people.

            MacGyver says — “Actually Dave we do believe in taking responsibilities for our actions”.
            Oh? Then you are okay with eliminating all forms of Government taxpayer-funded welfare?

            Oil spills? You should read this article and get a clue, MacGyver:
            http://reason.org/news/show/environmental-problems-think-govern

            No, MacGyver, you didn’t answer my question about what is a “right guy”. The answer you did give was the kind of nonsense I’ve come to expect from Liberal Progressives. I was looking for a description of their politics given that the terms Left and Right are political descriptions.

            Thank you for all your comments, MacGyver. They are valuable in my quest to expose Liberal Progressives as the clueless manipulative people that they are.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH…
            I would like to comment on something you said here a couple of times
            but not to me. “Term Limits”. Well they may or may not be
            beneficial, I see you are not a fan of them. Well, nothing will
            really work until the elected folks in Congress and the Oval Office
            are more afraid of “We The Voters” then they are of the big
            campaign pledges and party support. If they do not do the job for us,
            as we see it, we have to convince them before the elections that they
            already lost their next election. We need to do an annual job
            evaluation, like they do in private companies, for all of them which
            will tell them in advance if they have a chance of winning again. I
            think without something like their fear of losing their seat in
            office by us we have no chance with term limits or anything else.
            Just a thought.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            MacGyver (obviously he’s no MacGyver) says — “who also only care about their saving money and building their bottom lines at the expense of the rest of us, that includes a total disregard for the environment and our health”.
            That’s quite a generalization you have going there, MacGyver. Could you be more specific, and provide some evidence to back up your claims?
            For instance, how do they build their bottom lines at your expense? Did somebody put a gun to your head and make you buy their products?

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH… You are such a fantasy writer. You fit nicely here along with Wayne Allen Root.

            An economics lesson. The less corporations spend on expenses (by the way, Payroll is a huge expense and probably the biggest reason the execs are not creating jobs as needed by the country or why they are
            not paying many hourly workers livable wages, all with help from their friends on the Right in Congress) the more they can keep for themselves. Not always a bad thing – to save money, companies do deserve to make profits, but that is the greedy’s reason to fight against regulations, even the needed ones, and to keep their boards and their top share holders happy. A lot of this is at our expense so the execs can hope more for new very lucrative contrasts. Where do you think the incentives are for the Execs? Guess who helps them keep expenses down. Right!!!

            Let’s see if you are smart enough to understand how this example is at our expense. Take a look at this link and see how we all have your fictitious guns to our heads and from whom. http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/campaigns/americas_dangerous_pipelines/index.html

            Why do you think The Koch brothers, for example, are pushing their 3rd rate crude in this pipeline from Canada to Mexico where it will not serve America much? One reason is it’s cheaper than to do it safely.
            Read the article in the link just above and you might just see the gun-to-our-heads, well one example. All with the help of their Right wing friends and conflict-of-interest pledges.

            By the way, how can you claim I am no Macgyver? Do you know me? Is it because I do not agree with you? LOL

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Yeah, I know — The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Yet, somehow the environment always seems to recover.
            If you knew anything at all, you’d know that the dirtiest environments are in the poorest countries. Yet, you Liberal Progressives want to impoverish us. Go figure.
            Imagine that, a Liberal Progressive giving me “An economics lesson”. If you knew anything about Economics you wouldn’t be pushing Socialism which is both a logical failure and an experiential failure.
            For sure there are Crony Capitalists who gain unfair advantage by their Political connections, but there are also Market Capitalists who make their profits by pleasing their consumers. If you weren’t a brainwashed Liberal Progressive, you’d know the difference, and you’d also know that the Crony Capitalists manipulate both major Political Parties at the rest of our expense.
            I claim you are no MacGyver because I’ve read enough of your posts to know you haven’t got a clue about what is really going on. You can laugh out loud all you want — it is what I’d expect from an ignorant buffoon.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDave…Not impoversh us Dave, that is what your side wants you to believe of us. Your entire rants on us are what your side wants you to believe but we know what we really want and it ain’t what you have been told of us. We want to help things be better and safer for future generations. Why to you fight that? What do you have against future generations to help your side lower the expenses of the big corporations at our expense? We see the problems because we want to correct them. What is your agenda in opposition to that? Your “sky is falling” rant is no longer funny and it never applied.

            You say to me “If you knew anything at all, you’d know that the dirtiest environments are in the poorest countries. Yet, you Liberal Progressives want to
            impoverish us. Go figure.” We all know many 3rd
            world countries have many problems, DUH. We also know China, for example has world-class pollution, water air land, and much of that is because The Chinese Government wont regulate the polluters many of whom of their industries. Without necessary regulations we have the “Chinese Pollution Syndrome” (my term for this so don’t look for it any place) here and we want better for this planet and for our
            kids. How come you do not? I am only asking for needed regulations and the EPA is necessary in that doing. I also feel the EPA needs some looking into so they do not go over board with regulation and
            adding unnecessarily to the expenses of the Corporations but we need the EPA – NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

            I am not a Socialists so calling me one does not make me one any more than my calling you a Nazi and I could from some of your statements and tactics. You go on to say “For sure there are Crony Capitalists
            who gain unfair advantage by their Political onnections, but there are also Market Capitalists who make their profits by pleasing their consumers”. Again this is obvious, there are greedy capitalists and
            they get much help from their friends or property in Congress. We know from history there were several big US corporations who didn’t want us entering WW2 because they were doing big business with Hitler. We also know from history those greedy huge corporations had loads of help from the Congressman they owned and that kind of “ownership” still goes on today by so many. It was/is a crying shame it took the attacks on Pear Harbor to finally get us into that possibly last justified US war involvement.

            I am not the one who is “brainwashed” by his chosen side but it typically sounds like, from you, I am the brainwashed one because I do not agree with you. Wow that comes up a lot. Sad!!! I do know many
            capitalists manipulate both major parties as well as minor parties. We see that all the time. There are many problems with The Dems, the GOP (who should in reality and truth be nic named “The Government
            Of the Corporate People”) and the Libertarian parties. There is so much need for government reform so it works for “We The People” and not primarily for the Plutocracy. I have been watching a SYFY series called Continuum. It is showing a possible scenario for how
            the Government lost it and the big corporations took over running the country with help from their owned government officials. We can see this possible turnout already in play for real.

            You end this with “I claim you are no MacGyver because I’ve read enough of your posts to know you haven’t got a clue about what is really going on. You can laugh out loud all you want — it is what I’d
            expect from an ignorant buffoon”. Thanks for you opinion and you know what they are worth when everyone has one.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            MacGyver (NOT) says — “We want to help things be better and safer for future generations. Why to you fight that?”.
            If you truly want that, then why don’t you invest some time studying to see that Forcing your desires on other people through Big Government is counter-productive to your stated desires?
            For instance, read this book with an open mind:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

            Of course, I don’t really believe you, but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. My suspicion, derived from your previous comments, is that you are not here to discuss ideas at all, but rather to suppress them. If I’m right you either won’t read the book, or you will skim through it with no intention of giving it any real thought. If I’m wrong, you will benefit from the book.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            MacGyver says — “referring to Citizens United and SCOTUS, we need to know who is buying politicians”.
            How was that impacted by Citizens United, MacGyver?
            http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/citizens-united-2012-campaign
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH…
            Wow, you are amazing. CU asked the high court to grant secrecy in
            campaign donations. Are you really this dense or do you not pay
            attention to what you are told to ignore?

            When donations are secret it is generally so the buyers are not known.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As I said, MacGyver, you have no credibility on this board. Your conjecture means nothing. Post some evidence if you have any.
            I won’t hold my breath, since I’ve rarely gotten a legitimate response from a Liberal Progressive who’s been asked to provide evidence.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Actually, MacGyver, it is Bob’s Libertarian tendencies that keep him from banishing you useless Liberal Progressives from the board. You guys generally have nothing positive to offer, and are usually here only to disrupt good people from learning the concepts of Freedom.

          • macgyver1948

            So, TheOriginalDaveH, you now speak for Bob Livingston, do you. Does he know that?

            How is the concepts of Freedom you aspire to does not allow for any who disagree with you? Do you really think that is a real libertarian and American concept? “…with liberty and freedom for all”. Do you recognize this at all? Do you have any idea what that means? It definitely does not mean everyone has to agree with you or they are
            automatically wrong. That is a Hitler concept.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m not speaking for Bob. Who said I was? Nice try at manipulation.
            You’re still on this board, aren’t you? So where do you get your claptrap?
            But you are on Bob’s property now. The First Amendment doesn’t apply here. If he wanted you gone, you’d be gone. But I suspect that is the last thing he wants, because you Liberal Progressive posters are doing more damage to your cause than good just by opening your mouths so that the normal readers can see what you guys are really all about.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH … Wow, this is something. You
            said to me, yesterday I think, and I quote you, “Actually, MacGyver, it is Bob’s Libertarian tendencies that keep him from banishing you useless Liberal Progressives from the board”.

            So TheOriginalDaveH, you either do not know of what you speak or you can’t remember what you have said leaving you without any credibility. Who really does this “manipulation“ you speak of? Nice try is right, as you say, but it is as usual by you. So actually it was you who was acting as though you had Bob’s permission to speak for him (in case you missed your words again – “Actually, MacGyver, it is Bob’s Libertarian tendencies that keep him from banishing you useless Liberal Progressives from the board”. LOL).

            I know Bob can ban me any time he wanted to but then he would be contradicting his statement of wanting all points of view here. I do not start the insults and name calling I just give m views and opinions at first until people such as you show you cannot tolerate differing views. You just are not mature enough to accept opposing points of view and you make the fist assault when you see one. Don’t worry, there are plenty of those just like you on here. I am fighting for the American way of accepting all views and for Liberty for all equally, that is something you do not like if your views are not agreed with and you prove it with what you type.

            We Libs are not doing any damage to our cause, as you say, but we hope we do plenty of damage to those like you who want to suppress free speech for those who do not agree with you. I was in the US Air Force
            during the Vietnam War hoping I was supporting Liberty for all equally here at home and I still am. What is your excuse for your hypocrisies?

            What do you define as “normal readers”? It very much feels like only those who would agree with you and the likes of Rand Paul. Hitler was very much like that too.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You need to take a reading comprehension course, MacGyver.
            Show me exactly what I said that you think is inconsistent.
            I never pretended to be speaking for Bob, as I said previously. I was making an educated judgement about Bob’s potential actions without bothering to put my statement into legalese terms so that a Liberal Progressive couldn’t possibly misconstrue my statement. You are making a mountain out of a mole-hill in an effort to harass me, that is all, MacGyver.

            MacGyver says — “I do not start the insults and name calling I just give m views and opinions at first until people such as you show you cannot tolerate differing views”.
            And then before his non-insult claim even grows cold, he has the audacity to say — “You just are not mature enough to accept opposing points of view”, and — “What is your excuse for your hypocrisies?”, and — “What do you define as “normal readers”? It very much feels like only those who would agree with you and the likes of Rand Paul. Hitler was very much like that too”.

            So the non-name-caller in the very same comment refers to me as immature, hypocritical, and being like Hitler.
            And you call yourself MacGyver?

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        MacGyver,
        Can you cite any evidence at all that the Pauls are for the wealthy other than that they believe rich people deserve Freedom from Big Government as much as poor people do?

        • macgyver1948

          TheOriginalDaveH…
          The fact that Rand Paul supports the Norquist pledge is one huge
          piece of evidence. Other than that do your own research, I’m not here
          to teach you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s your evidence? Because he doesn’t want to raise taxes? And what’s that got to do with Ron Paul?
            If you weren’t a brainwashed Liberal Progressive, you’d know that the rich don’t pay those taxes. They just raise their prices, or layoff workers, or quit producing, or take some other action that hurts all the rest of us. The joke is on you. You’re a dupe for the Rich Crony Capitalists who support Big Government at the rest of our expense.
            You’re not here to teach me? You’re joking right? I wish you were bright enough to teach me something. But in that case, you wouldn’t be a Liberal Progressive.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH….It is not just not raising taxes. You do not understand this powerful Mafia-like pledge if that is all you know of it. Go research Norquist
            and his damning pledge.

            It is never supporting the raising of taxes even when needed – NO MATTER WHAT. That includes those tax cuts that were billed as “temporary”, in order to be passed, as it was with the little bush tax break she gave his wealthy buddies.

            It includes “shrinking the Fed Budget to a size that will fit into a bath tub”. Norquist said that. It includes bringing the budget and the tax base back to where it was at the beginning of the 20th century. Norquist said that too. In your infinite wisdom can you tell us how we will support functions such as a needed military we now need? Very needed programs such as Social Security and Medicare all starve which is what they want. Can’t support those functions if they will not fit in that Norquist bath tub. What else do you think will
            die out if we go back to a pre WW1 budget and tax program?

            Norquist says all who sign his pledge will get money and campaign support and he can almost guarantee a win. Did that work for Romney? Norquest also say, and I quote him for “any who violate the pledge after
            signing it)their careers will be toast. Norquist has the money and the clout to back that up. So those who have signed it must do as they are told (as I already told you Norquist said during this last presidential Campaign “Don’t worry about Romney, he will do ass he is told”). Look it up if you do not believe me but I do not need you to believe me. Listen to Norquist himself in videos.

            There are over 270 GOP members of Congress, both houses, who have signed this pledge and who became Norquist property.

            “Rand Paul defends Grover Norquist, anti-tax increase pledge”. This is http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84292.html
            . How can Rand Paul be on “We The People”’s side if he too is owned by anyone other than himself?

            “Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Tuesday defended Grover Norquist, saying he is a “huge fan” of the anti-tax pledge that a number of Republican lawmakers signed but now say they’d break in order to reach a deal
            on the looming fiscal cliff.

            “I’m a huge fan of the pledge,” Paul said on Fox News. “And I think it does hold people’s feet to the fire and they’ve essentially signed their signature and said they’re not going to raise taxes so if they go back on their word, I think they’ll suffer the repercussions in their next election.”

            Again this is at http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84292.html
            .

            There was no “breaking away” on the part of the Norquist supporters, that was just a lie on Rand’s part. They cannot because they fear too much for their careers to be concerned about the rest of us. It was
            just phony concern to placate us. They would shut down the government knowing it would not hurt them but it would hurt us and that your side threatens whenever they do not get what they want. Then there is the usual last second “Compromise” which often hurts too many. Cry babies.

            TheOriginalDaveH (what is so original about you anyway? There are so many of you on
            this site.), “Liberal Progressive” at all levels of intelligence, as well as Democrats in general, would not be on your side with what your side presents because we care to much for the country and for fairness and Liberty for all equally. As for teaching you, well, your programming from your side would get in the way. I am not trying to teach you but instead I would be fine if you taught yourself. PLEASE
            do your own research and not just listen to your chosen side, I do not automatically believe what my sides says, I check it out first.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            MacGyver says — “You do not understand this powerful Mafia-like pledge if that is all you know of it. Go research Norquist and his damning pledge”.
            The “Norquist pledge”, actually the “Taxpayer Protection Pledge”:
            http://www.atr.org/userfiles/Congressional_pledge(1).pdf

            The text of the “damning” pledge:
            I, _______________, pledge to the taxpayers of the _____ district of the state of__________, and to the American people that I will:
            ONE, oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax rates for individuals and/or businesses; and TWO, oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates”.

            Heavens to Murgatroyd! We will all surely perish. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
            What a Drama Queen you are, MacGyver (or whatever your name really is).

            MacGyver says — “It includes “shrinking the Fed Budget to a size that will fit into a bath tub””.
            It doesn’t say a word about the Federal Budget, MacGyver.

            MacGyver says — “It includes bringing the budget and the tax base back to where it was at the beginning of the 20th century”.
            It doesn’t say any such thing, MacGyver, although that would certainly be a good thing to shrink the Federal Government back to the 1900 level.

            MacGyver says — “I do not automatically believe what my sides says, I check it out first”.
            You checked it out? Like I said before, MacGyver, you need to take a reading comprehension course.

            Three Strikes, MacGyver. You’re out!

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH…Wow you are really cute, ICHHHH… There is so much you are missing
            from just this and without looking into what Norquist himself says you will not understand.

            But let’s do this from just what is here. “I, _______________, pledge to the taxpayers of the _____ district of the state of__________, and
            to the American people that I will: ONE, oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax rates for individuals and/or businesses; and TWO, oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by
            further reducing tax rates”.”

            Ok, it is saying they CANNOT vote for any tax increases. They will “oppose any and all efforts to increase” taxes. So if we need increases, from us and/or the Corporations, you will not support
            increases, will you Dave? If there are temporary tax breaks or decreases (such as the tiny little bush ones for his buddies and their times expire, thus the term “temporary” as in how they were billed so little bush could get them pushed through, and we need them
            to go back to their rightful levels for the sake of the economy – that has been going on in case you missed it. The tiny bush left us with our economy in the “c rapper” and we needed the return to rightful levels) will you too Dave fight any return to normal levels
            when the time limits and needs arrive?

            “Heavens to Murgatroyd! We will all surely perish. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

            Who is the real Drama Queen here Dave, TheOriginalDaveH “(or whatever your name really is)”? Whats the matter Dave, are you are too immature to take what screen names people choose to use
            for themselves? Did your mommy and daddy give you the name “ TheOriginalDaveH” at birth? LOL

            The ways Norquist has it worded (he) has the signers by the sack, yep, even the women signers. It is so broad in scope that Norquist and company can rattle their cages to the tune of his “at the moment”
            interpretations. I heard Norquist say “if they do not follow the pledge their careers will be toast”. The pledge is subject to his interpretations. He had the audacity to say (I heard him say this) it wont be he, Norquist, who puts their careers in the toaster but it
            will be the American people. But when you understand Norquist has the money and the clout to run heavy negative campaigns in the news and elsewhere against them for maybe voting their conscience on an issue Norquist pledges to turn their careers to, well, you know – “TOAST”. They are afraid of him so they “Do as they are told on many issues”. Dave, do you see what you are missing by not looking into it but instead just going along and doing minimum for yourself?

            Many in Congress are starting to feel the main reasons for deadlock in Congress is because of the Norquist Pledge. I see you just do not want to dig deep enough, and this is not that deep, for you to understand. Instead you feel you have it all figured out just by posting the pledge itself to show me up. With the limits you place on yourself you are just like Sgt. Schultz of Hogans Heroes. You, Dave, “know noting’”. Not all things are as simple as they appear on
            the surface. :-).

            As for as I am concerned these people betrayed “We The People” with your signing of this conflict of interest pledge –
            http://s3.amazonaws.com/atrfiles/files/files/072911-federalpledgesigners.pdf

            This is interesting. Maybe some of them are starting to grow a pair: Grover Norquist Anti-Tax Pledge Signers Want Their Names Removed

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09/grover-norquist-anti-tax-pledge_n_1084129.html

            I wonder why but I do know once many of you on your side (that is your side, not necessarily your chosen party) are told something that is all you need, forget truth and reality from there because that would
            take effort and an open mind. “Pull my strings, I’ll do anything, I’m your puppet” and “tell me what you want me to believe”. That seems to work better for many on your side. LOL

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What a child. Thanks for posting more evidence of a typical Liberal Progressive, MacGyver.
            It should be obvious by now to the average reader that you are just here to disrupt the board — a Shill, in other words.
            Fortunately, one can see from the average thumbs up/down that the Liberal Progressive message is failing.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH…LMAO… Am I supposed to be concerned when people who would disagree with
            anything I say no matter what, or anyone from my side, do a thumbs down on me? LOL… You are such a misguided fool…

            A message will always fail for those who choose to never agree with the source even if the source is right. Do you really think that is how to make progress as well as help our country? Often times I wonder if you are as those in the TP owned GOP who will let the country fail just so Obama wont win. There is no intelligent conversation in you for those you disagree with. All you want to do is put down and insult. We all lose with people like you and all you want to hang out with are your fellow clones,
            meaning only those who you agree with. That is not America.

            You haven’t got a clue what evidence really is. Do you fantasize much and/or just revert back to your childhood? See, The difference in our calling each other children is you make no sense with it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The usual ad hominem attack in lieu of facts.
            An eighth grader can figure out that you have nothing to offer, MacGyver.

          • macgyver1948

            TheOriginalDaveH…WOW. You told me in total “TheOriginalDaveH

            What a child. Thanks for posting more evidence of a typical Liberal Progressive, MacGyver. It should be obvious by now to the average reader that you are just here to disrupt the board — a Shill, in other words.
            Fortunately, one can see from the average thumbs
            up/down that the Liberal Progressive message is failing.

            11:23 p.m., Sunday Aug. 4”

            You start off with the child insult comment then you put down “Liberal Progressive” as though you had a sound argument for that. Then you go on insulting me but you do not really say anything worth
            responding.

            Now in your current post, as your response to me, you refer to my response as a “usual ad hominem attack in lieu of facts”. There was no need on my part to present facts in these cases, from your two posts, because you say nothing but insult. What would anyone retort about, lol? This is how you started with me, I did not start the insults with you from our beginning so again I ask you “WHO IS THE
            LAME BRAIN CHILD HERE?”. Grow up already whatever you chronological age.

            You refer to me as a Shill – A shill, also
            called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization.

            You are a true non funny joke. You accuse me of this without knowing a thing, you just ASSume, I guess. I can also say you are a d*amn Nazi because you sound like one. Well, your arguments and assumptions do
            hint of you being a Nazi. FYI, I represent only my views and opinions. There is no organization I represent in what I say. Or is it you really do not know the definition of the word “shill”? Well, if that is the case I gave it to you just above. Seik Heil you Nazi but get out of America if you are one. We beat your kind in WW2
            but not well enough. This article could be about what could be a guy you admire from history – Hitler. LOL. I have told you more than once before it must be so easy to falsely accuse someone of something and I show you just how easy it is in return, assuming you are not a Nazi. Also find out what the word “fact” means before you accuse someone of something with assumed authority.

            WOW, if readers use you as their spokesman they are in real trouble. You do like to talk for other people, don’t you? What a gift you have, in your mind only.

    • Dave

      Tell your savior to give back the 51 cents back they get above the $1 they pay into federal coffers. Rand Paul is a hypocritical jerk.

      • Douglas Kelly

        To say that Rand Paul is a hypocrite shows two things about you; first, you have no clue about his stance on the job of government; and two, you are obviously a liberal who speaks with no authority on the subject of the actions of your federalist, big government policies for returning money to the states. That is not decided by the Senators or Representatives. It is decided by your big government’s elected criminals. How many times do you have to re-learn this. You are pathetic.

        • TIME

          Dear Douglas,
          Dave wallows in his blissful ignorance, of what he is so proud to be a member of the “Low IQ club for Ignorant illiterates.”
          So don’t put to much pressure on that small amount of gray matter Dave has, after all it may blow out the only fuse he has. And I think they stopped making a 1 watt fuse – around 350 AD.
          Peace and Love

          • Dave

            TIME,
            Where were you and the other conservative morons after 9/11? Falling right behind your hero George W. Bush with his tax cuts, two wars and massive debt, not to mention the Patriot Act… Funny there were very few conservatives complaining about spending in 2003. Liars and phonies most of the conservatives which if you are playing the odds, includes you dummy.

          • Douglas Kelly

            Gee, Dave, whatever gave you the idea that George W Bush was a conservative? He was not. He was a Republican, and that does not mean conservative by any stretch. The things you point out are the very reasons I didn’t vote for him and still bear very harsh feelings for him and the phony but scary Patriot Act.
            But, Dave, I do know that you’re a very misinformed big government liberal, because liberals are so child-like they must always resort to name calling and personalizing every political discussion. If you aren’t able to keep up your end of the discussion, don’t try. It only makes you look foolish.

          • Dave

            LOL… Ok… so conservatives label anyone what screws up on their side, “not a conservative” and all democrats are liberal/progressives…
            What liars Conservatives are… Bush ran as a conservative, led most as a war chickenhawk conservative… but in your mind he is not a conservative… way to get out of responsibility… for anything.

          • Douglas Kelly

            Dave, as I said earlier, you don’t have all the information, and it’s obvious you don’t watch the details of the workings of government. Bush didn’t veto one bill in eight years in office. Anyone who would do that is not a conservative whether he called himself a conservative or not. In fact, anyone who would not veto one bill is nuts. That says he agreed with ever bill submitted to him. That’s not possible for a rational thinking person.
            Again with the childish name calling. I did not ever say that all Democrats where liberal/progressives. There you go putting words into my mouth so you can have your rant. I don’t care if you hate conservatives, but at least get your facts right.
            As I said earlier, you are looking very foolish.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Pay no mind to Dave, Douglas, he is just a Liberal Progressive Troll who has been haunting this board for too long. By his nonsensical rants and persistence, I would judge him to be a shill, in all likelihood, who is here merely to disrupt the board as much as he can.

          • Dave

            Douglas,
            Bush didn’t veto a bill because 6 of those years, his fellow conservatives were in charge of Congress… or did you forget?
            So to veto is Conservative??? Really? LOL… Ok Douglas

          • Douglas Kelly

            Dave, don’t try to justify his stupidity by this remark. Republicans were in charge of Congress, not conservatives.
            Why would you make the remark that to veto is conservative?
            I realize you just like to pick fights, but at least try something worthy of fighting about. Your remark is childish. You’re not very good at discussions are you?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            LOL? What, are you looking at your low IQ scores, Dave?
            You have no clue what makes a “conservative”.
            And to say “all democrats are liberal/progressives” would be equally clueless. Who have you seen making that claim?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            They weren’t “conservatives”, ignoramus, they were NeoConservative Progressives.

        • dave

          That big Gov includes your hero Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.
          You are the one that is truly pathetic. Only care about deficits when a Dem is in the WH. I got your number… just like the other conservative morons…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “Only care about deficits when a Dem is in the WH”.
            Now he’s a mind reader. Oh great master Dave, what would you have us do next?

    • smilee

      Trouble is Paul has no idea what the Constitution is or how it works, he is just a blabber mouth

      • Don 2

        And you do? Ha-Ha-Ha, I just can’t stop slapping my knee…. Get a real job water boy!

        • smilee

          I’m retired sunny!

          • Don 2

            No, I’m retired sunny. You’re still working a peon job as a Democrat troll carrying Ovomit’s water.

          • smilee

            No, but I have a passion for telling the truth which you care nothing about.

          • Don 2

            The you’re just stupid……probably a former union slug!

          • smilee

            No where near as stupid as you are!!!

          • Don 2

            But not denying that you are a former union slug!

          • smilee

            Read into it what you like it just’s illuminates that my last post is correct

          • Don 2

            Thanks for the confirmation!

  • Dajeno

    These comments shows the problems in the republican party. Instead of working together for the good of the people, isn’t that what your elected to do, they fight with each other. Have you ever thought of finding a common ground and working together for the good of the people. Remember united you stand, divided you fall. All you greedy elected officals strive for is how you’re going to line your pockets and get re-elected. I think it’s time we the people do a clean sweep of the idiots in office and get people in that actually have feelings for the people they’re representing. And the first order of business is to enact term limits, get rid of the lobbyist and downsize an out of control government.

    • billybob

      That makes two of us. Now if we can get the rest of the nation to see this!

      • RonWillison

        The problem is. We can’t get the rest of the nation to see it because the globalists own the networks. We Are toast.

    • Douglas Kelly

      Term limits are a great idea. But the better idea is to never vote for an incumbent for any reason, at anytime, under any conditions no matter what.
      Think about it. The way today’s governing fools are handling governance of our nation, I believe that anyone who would do what it takes to be elected to a national office is likely to be psychologically unfit to hold the office.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Term limits are a waste of energy. Unless the voting public is much more highly educated than they are currently, they would just elect another psychopath into office.
        And both “term limits” and “not voting for an incumbent” would take the incentive away for Politicians to please the electorate.
        There is no substitute for voter education, and that education should not be done by Government for obvious reasons.

        • Douglas Kelly

          You’re right, of course. But educating the electorate to the extent they would be very informed voters would be nearly impossible for at least two reasons: first because most people want/need to be led and taken care of cradle to grave, and big government types will seem like the man on horseback they thought our current man in office was (“Obama’s going to pay my mortgage for me!” Remember?); second, there are too many “voters” who simply don’t care about politics and are convinced their vote makes no difference, so why worry. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.
          Generally, 10% of the people make things happen, and about 20% of the people will help to make things happen. The remaining 70% wonder what happened. But about 30% of the people in the colonies were all that fomented our revolution agains Britain.

          Your comments are the logical conclusion of ridding ourselves of the current incumbents, but those who replace them will do so for the same old reasons, to seek power, about the only reason people run for office. So the replacements will only seek to build their own new fiefdoms and to create their own special interest voting blocks. and we’re back to were we were, but with a different group of elected criminals.
          Apart from this, I don’t know of a more effective means of taking back our government of the people.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            But it won’t be a “government of the people” unless the people are allowed to vote for who they want.
            All we can do is try to educate as many people as we can and hope for the best.
            Kudos to Bob Livingston for making that effort.

  • Jacobite2

    I’d guess King is representing his constituents. Now, 70 years later, it’s plain as day that, for Americans who are not Jews, the Nazis were never even close to being the threat that the Soviets were. After all, FDR’s entire government was crawling with spies and agents, not from Germany, but from the CPUSA and the CommIntern. And had been since 1922. The last Nazi is either dead or in a hursing home, but American colleges, MSM, Hollywood, and politics are still crawling with Leftists, today, just as in the 30s. In case it hadn’t come to your attention, NYC is not just un-American, but is the anti-America.

    • Jacobite2

      I try to know as little as possible about NYC, but I’m assuming that many (and the wealthiest) of the constituents in King’s district would be Jews. Jewish interests are not the same as those of Americans — sometimes diametrically opposed. FYI, this is why multi-ethnic/racial/lingual states do not work.

  • chrisnj

    I often appreciate what Mr King has to say, but I believe in this case he is a dog barking up the wrong tree. Such smears reveal that he is concerned probably more for his own established influence and power in Washington, and threatened by the positive popular response to Rand Paul’s position, which frankly I find much more measured and reasoned than Ron Paul his father.

    Even war hawks should be concerned with the overreach of federal intrusion into the lives of private citizens not suspected or accused of any crime or wrong-doing.

    • Katrael

      A politicians first duty: to be elected to office. A politicians second duty: to get reelected to office. I’m hoping that there may be some politicians who place good principles and morals above political expediency.

      Mr. King, being a politician, may sound good, but his lips are moving. I’m not sure you can trust any of them as they all may out to find a niche to fill whether they actually have the best interests of their constituency at heart.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      chrisnj says — “which frankly I find much more measured and reasoned than Ron Paul his father”.
      Ron Paul’s “reason” is just beyond the comprehension of most public school Propaganda victims.
      Do some studying at Mises.org to remedy that condition.

  • Oliver_K_Manuel

    Attacks on Senator Rand Paul show that Mr. King does not care that constitutional limits on government have almost disappeared.

  • scott miller

    We need term limits.

    We need public financing of political campaigns, take tax moneys put it in a campaign fund split it 50 50 let the parties spend it how they will.

    Get the lobbiest money out of politics, get politicians out that can buy votes for decades on end.

    Independent panels to draw up voting districts, no more party jury mandering.

    Flat graduated tax rates, disband the irs. Obama is the second president we know of that has used the IRS illegally to go after political opponents.

    Reign in federal powers to blanket collect data, data that can be used to profile a persons political leanings, their religious affiliataion, their bank account data their spending habits,

    yes in a digital world you give up alot of your personal information, a 5 min facebook search is proof enough of that, but the government blanket collecting that data, unknown at all to the public at large?

    You can gather all the data you need after you have a suspect not before you have one.

    Who in their right mind wants the government to have that kind of power over you? The ability to profile you at will, the right to arrest you or have you killed without hearing without trail, who is gullible enough to not see the ability to do harm if not by a president that will use the IRS to harass his opposition, then a future president? how about a president bloomburgh with that kind of power?

    Or any president that gets stuck in office when our IMF status is yanked and the fed rolls up overnight, we default on our debts, martial law is declared and wont we all feel safer that the governement can already id you most likely knows where you live, where you make calls from, where you work and so on.

    god bless america, land of the free, home of the brave………

    the people that founded this nation warned against this sort of thing and they must be rolling over in their graves now with the amount of money and filth that infests the current system.

    • Steve Stribley

      That is why our Constitution is going through the shredder. We now have the most sophisticated organized crime unit the world has ever seen. The people who founded this country knew what is happening now would happen, which is why they wrote the Constitution of the United States of America. We, the people, need to take it back.

    • Patriot66

      I agree with most everything you say here, except for the 50-50 split. We desperately need more parties than just 2. The U.S. is one of only a few countries that have so few parties to vote for. The others are China and Russia. Granted, France has parties such as Socialist and Communists, but they also have more truly conservative parties too. But I agree, there needs to be a more just way of sorting out candidates and having just 2 bozos to vote for. There also needs to be more than 3. A strong libertarian candidate only takes away votes from Republicans. In order for this to work, there would have to be a strong liberal (fourth party) that takes away from the democrats. In fact it would be in the interest of the other party, to fund a more extreme party on the other side (i.e. Republicans funding a liberal Party candidate). This would distribute the votes between 2 liberals (democrat and liberal parties) which would favor the Republicans. The reverse has already been tried, with negative results for the republicans. What would work best is a 4 party system (liberal, democrat, republican, libertarian)
      Just an idea…

      • JLouisK

        We also need a multi party system, where everyone gets represented. Do away with the Two Party system!

      • scott miller

        If we had multiple parties then it would be a matter of maybe just giving then the average of the other 2 parties for the appropriate number of candidates, or just split the money down by candidate.

        my hope is getting strict term limits in all branches of government, would force the worst of the bureaucrats out. getting the money and the kickbacks out of the leglislative system, and rotating people in and out more frequently. we would have better people holding office with good intentions more frequently.

        getting that money out of the running, nerfing the 100k a plate dinners with the rich and famous. the private meetings with big corporate. use public funds and then people interested in politics do not need to sell their souls to run or play the game to make it.

        i would like to see average people take a stab, i would like to see citizens serving 8 12 years, working for the people of their state or district, and then done moving back into private sector. not selling their 50 years of insider contacts and speaking for ungodly sums.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Term limits are just a placebo. As long as the voting public is ignorant of the concepts of Freedom, the representatives will reflect that ignorance.

      Public financing will do the opposite of what you want to accomplish with the first. With Public Financing, the incumbents will be harder to unseat than before because it takes a lot of money to make people familiar with a fresh face. And the last thing we want is to put the administration of Campaign Funds into Government hands. There is no substitute for educating the Voters (by us, not by Government).

      Flat taxes just pass the buck from one downtrodden group to another. It’s the Spending that is the Problem. “Flat graduated taxes” is an oxymoron, but I’m guessing that was a mistake:
      http://mises.org/daily/3389

  • billybob

    Well it can be said without a doubt, that this maybe the end of the Republican party. In fighting will bring them down to their knees. It is time to form a new party. Let them die in their own excretment. These guys don’t care about the conservatives, they only care about keeping their jobs. I truely think it is time to start all over again and vote these bozos out.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      There is a Party already who understands Freedom better than any other Political Party. For Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Limited Government, and the PEACE that comes with those — Vote Libertarian!
      http://www.lp.org/platform

  • Douglas Kelly

    Dave, you talk as if you’re a child. Using name calling and dirty words to make whatever you think is your childish point. Go back to school and learn about how our government is supposed to work. Compare it to the way it actually works. You will be surprised at how stupid you sound.

    • Dave

      I forget… All you conservatives never call anyone who disagrees with your philosophy names right? What a phony you are.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Two wrongs still don’t make a right, Dave.

        • macgyver1948

          TheOriginalDaveH… You are right, 2 wrongs will never make a right. But sometimes after you have been pelted by childish name calling enough you just might feel a need to fight back.

          By the way TheOriginalDaveH… , you asked me if I was “okay with eliminating all forms of Government taxpayer-funded welfare?

          I believe in deserved and needed Welfare and need must be proven. Have you ever heard of compassion? I do not know if you are a religious person, I am, and I know the chosen Christian Messiah Jesus asked that people be compassionate when they can.

          I am just saying if you are a religious person but I really do not want to get into a religious rap with you. I am not a Christian and although I enjoy a good adult conversation about religion with a good Christian I suspect you would do your Right guy argument in those matters too. There are enough of those Right guy Christians here on this site I have had discussions with who insist I am wrong because I am a Jew who will never believe in Jesus. Let’s not go there.

          I want to ask you something. What are you including in “all forms of Government taxpayer-funded welfare”? Are you including Social Security and Medicare?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            MacGyver (or Flashman?), the readers can see right through you attempted manipulation. You are insulting their intelligence to continue your rambling.

        • Dave

          Oh really? Nice southern state apologist blather DaveH. When you get these taker states in the south give the money they steal from states like CA, NJ, and NJ back so they can pay for the recovery… then we can talk about pork in the relief but… Until then you are just another conservative azzhole.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dumbazz,
            It’s your Big Government Politicians that are taking that money from CA and NJ and using it in an effort to buy votes from the red states. So spare us the nonsense.

      • Don 2

        Get a real job Dave. Quit this loser Democrat peon troll job of yours, and be a man.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      He’s not a child, Douglas. He’s a typical Liberal Progressive with no factual or logical legs to stand on, so he must use manipulative methods in an attempt to get his way.

      • Dave

        DaveH is a typical lying conservative propagandist who acts on orders from a foreign UNACCREDITTED “educational” institution.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          You’re getting desperate, loser.

  • Douglas Kelly

    King is a known idiot and fool, and has been such for a long time. There is no reason in the world that his words should carry any weight about anything. Not only is he a Rhino, he’s the kind of politician that endangers our form of government, along with such worthies as Saxby Chambliss, neither of whom know what their purpose is, or what opinion they should have today to fit in with the group think of Washington.

  • RonWillison

    Wolfe Blitzer is just as sickening. And way more dangerous than Mr. King.

  • jimmie smith

    There is a fine line between isolationism and minding our damn business. The latter however, Is what is in short supply in our current political environment.

  • Patriot66

    Fortress America. I like the sound of that. To hell with the rest of the world. Can you imagine how much better it would be if our military only protected us within the US. We could reduce the 6 branches of military down to 2 (all we need is the army and navy), no handouts to ANY other country, not even Israel. Cut off China as a most favored nation and raise tariffs to levels above what we can make them for. And only take care of US citizens who have contributed to society. Which means, no more free handouts to anchor baby families.
    There would be a lot more to it, but this would be a good base to start from.

    • JLouisK

      Then the Military could patrol our borders to reduce illegal immigration. Aid only to US Citizens. Those handouts to other nations could be helping our OWN.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      The threat of impending Protectionism is a large part of what started the Stock Market crash of 1929.
      Protectionism never has and never will improve the living conditions of any country’s citizens.
      http://archive.mises.org/21207/trade-creates-wealth-protectionism-destroys-it/
      http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/tbp-028.pdf

      • Patriot66

        It seems to be working rather well for China.
        It is just a matter of time before China troops (in guise of UN soldiers) are on U.S. soil raping and killing as they please. China needs to be stopped now, before it is too late.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          What if you only traded with family members, Patriot? What if you only traded with people in your city?
          Do you think that you would benefit from that? Do you think you’d be able to buy automobiles or other things you desire at a decent price with such a limited trading zone?
          If we had Free World Trade (we don’t), everybody would benefit greatly because it’s just a fact of life that specialization (division of labor) is much more productive than trying to be a jack of all trades.
          Protectionism doesn’t work for families, or cities, or states or even countries if you like stuff. If you are content with living a meager existence then Protectionism is for you. When countries isolate themselves from the World Markets it hurts their own citizens as much as or more than other countries’ people.
          And Protectionism is like Welfare in that it produces Moral Hazard. That is, the companies who are protected from competition, having a lock on the market, become much less productive over time than those who aren’t protected from competition.
          I remember when American Automobiles were pieces of crap because they had no competition. But when the Japanese came on line, the American Automakers knew they had to compete or become irrelevant. Unfortunately their Unions didn’t get the message.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          What if you only traded with family members, Patriot? What if you only traded with people in your city?
          Do you think that you would benefit from that? Do you think you’d be able to buy automobiles or other things you desire at a decent price with such a limited trading zone?
          If we had Free World Trade (we don’t), everybody would benefit greatly because it’s just a fact of life that specialization (division of labor) is much more productive than trying to be a jack of all trades.
          Protectionism doesn’t work for families, or cities, or states or even countries if you like stuff. If you are content with living a meager existence then Protectionism is for you. When countries isolate themselves from the World Markets it hurts their own citizens as much as or more than other countries’ people.
          And Protectionism is like Welfare in that it produces Moral Hazard. That is, the companies who are protected from competition, having a lock on the market, become much less productive over time than those who aren’t protected from competition.
          I remember when American Automobiles were pieces of crap because they had no competition. But when the Japanese came on line, the American Automakers knew they had to compete or become irrelevant. Unfortunately their Unions didn’t get the message.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    The NeoCon Progressives are just as adept at childish name-calling as the Liberal Progressives are.
    If somebody starts calling you names to get their way, you can bet it is because they have no factual or logical legs to stand on.

  • TheOriginalDaveH

    The “piece of S___” is you, Dave, and anybody like you who thinks the peoples’ wallets are there for you to pillage.

  • http://www.yahoo.com/ wyatt48

    “He talks about us wanting to start wars and somehow people enjoy war and he talks about how we want to bomb everything,” he said. “Is that what he thinks our military does?”
    No, That’s what he knows our government and the NSA do.

  • marc

    Peter asserts here that in terms of foreign aid there is a huge difference between Egypt and Long Island and Jersey. But — hilariously — implies that there really is no difference between Egypt and New Jersey because they both share entitlement to U.S. taxpayer-funded bailouts.
    Peter King, you are a propagandist. Paul is not blaming America for these ills. But he is definitely taking a good look at apologists like yourself. America is not the enemy, in spite of all your scapegoating attempts.

  • Dave

    If Peter King is the best the republicans can do, I feel sorry for th republican party! There done! And I will never vote republican again.

    • Don 2

      Yeah Hoplophobe Dave, the Democrat party ace-in-the-hole, Sheila Jackson Lee, wasn’t available to tap as a Republican.