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EPIC Challenge Of Naked Body Scanners To Proceed

September 8, 2010 by  

EPIC Challenge Of Naked Body Scanners To Proceed

An appeals court has set a briefing schedule for a lawsuit challenging the airport naked body scanner program.

The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit will hear arguments in the case of Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) v Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and initial briefs are due Nov. 1.

Epic alleges DHS has violated three Federal laws — the Administrative Procedures Act, the Privacy Act and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act — and claims that the body scanner search itself is unconstitutional based on what the courts have said about the permissible scope of screening procedures. The scanners peer beneath clothing and produce very revealing negative photos that can be easily turned into positive photos with the use of commonly-found computer software and those images — of children and adults — could wind up anywhere.

We have documented before how, despite DHS promises to the contrary, the scanners can be used to store and transmit images. The scanners are also dangerous and ineffective. Some of our reports can be read here, here, here and here.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • DaveH
    • dan az

      dave how can a 8 yr old boys name like mikey be on any ones watch list does it sound like osoma oboma profiling bs at it best. no wonder barry boy changed his name!

      • Carole Howell

        Come on people this all stated after 9/11, Ted Kennedy was on the no fly list too. Remember? and he has been dead how long now?

        Really, if half of you could get any dumber we would have to water you twice a week.

    • Brushface

      “TSA voyeurs” ???? B.S. TSA has too much to do to stare at these neutral images. Maybe your job has enough time to stare and maybe you have the kind of morals that would get a kick out of this. This says more about the thinking of minds not involved with scanning than it does about these men and women who work hard on a daily basis.

      • BOE

        You know I have to say as a very modest female,pushing 60yrs,almost 6ft tall and over-weight…I could care less if the TSA guys get a few chuckles out of my naked image. I would rather allow a few guys to make fun of me and arrive all in one piece and with all my body parts.

        • pj614rn

          I completely agree…..I say if it saves the life of one man, woman or child, then I’d gladly ‘smile’ in my birthday suit if necessary. You do whatever it takes to keep these terrorists off planes, and traveling to and from with who know what to spread their evil.

  • s c

    If this is how Uncle Scam [via The Anointed One] plans to deal with airport security, then I have no choice but to wear a cellophane suit when traveling. And, since true security works both ways, I expect every employee who makes sure I am ‘OK’ will also wear a cellophane suit.
    Otherwise, they can take their Twilight Zone security measures and jam, cram, shove and stick them where the sun never shines. Quo vadis, Uncle Scam?

    • Joe R.

      This is the best response to this TSA nonsense I have ever seen. As a result of this piece of crap I will not fly or even enter an airport. I resent the invasion of my privacy by the TSA. The use of these scanners would open the door to a whole new method of child porn which perverts would love. There may be some of them working those invasive scanners and getting their jollies looking at the images of kids. Joe

      • DaveH

        No doubt. When we give up our dignity, then we are lost.

      • 45caliber

        You may be right about people getting their jollies by looking at kids. The last I heard the government had ruled that it was unfair to convicts to require a background check for airport security. That’s why they have a lot of thefts by employees.

    • Brushface

      I had a plan years ago: Let the folks who don’t want to be screened all get on one plane and the others get on the screened plane. Guess which one will allow the terrorist aboard, no problem? Bye bye. We don’t need your kind around anyway.

      • DaveH

        Both. And I’m glad to see you reveal your real self. Here is a guy who would like to be rid of us, and yet he claims to be worried about peoples’ safety.
        This is what I mean, folks, when I say that with these lying power-trippers you have to learn to read between the lines to know their real intentions and it isn’t our safety.

        • Brushface

          What are you talking about? If you can’t tell hyperbole when you see it you’re hopeless. All those agents want to do is keep you safe. If you can muster some up, show a little class when you go by the next TSA agent that’s trying to help…….and then further you name called me a liberal…..HA! That would sure shock all my conservative friends. I’ll copy and paste this and show them they better watch out for old Brushface. By the way, lighten up a bit. This could become civil again.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Brushface,
            You just convinced me. I’m gonna go get a job running one of those scanners. Next time you fly with your wife or girlfriend, do bring her through my line,ok??? You? you can go through Big Bubba’s line. I’m sure he will enjoy having to strip search you and do a cavity search!!!

          • BB

            THEY ARE JUST TAKING ON NORE FREEDOM AWAY JUST ONE MORE SREP TOWARDS DICTATORSHIP GIVE UP ALL YOUR FREEDOMS THATS HOW THE DO IN LITTLE BY LITTLE IN THE NAME OF SAFTY I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN TROUBLE WITH THE LAW BUT I HAVE TO DO ALL THIS STUFF TO GET ON A PLANE YET THE COMPLAIN BECAUSE ARIZONA WANT TO INFORCE A LAW TO CHECK IMAGRATION PAPER GO FIGURE IF I GET PULLED OVER I HAVE TO SHOW MY LIS.AND REG.WHAT IF THEY DONT HAVE TO SHOW THERE LEGAL THEN WHY DO I PEOPLE LIKE YOU JUST SIT BACK AND LET THEM DO WHAT EVER WAKE UP AND STOP THE REMOVAL AF YOUR FREEDOMSJUST LIKE SCHOOLS TELLING KIDS WHAT THEY CAN WEAR WE WERE ALL FINE WHEN I WENT TO SCHOOL IN OUR OWN CLOTHES IF THEY WOULD BRING BACK THE FAMILY VALUES WE WOULD NOT BE HERE YOU WERE SCARED OF YOUR FATHER WITCH STILL LIVE WITH YOU AND STOP ALL THIS SINGLE PARENTING THAT IS THE PROBLEM GRANTED THERE ARE A FEW GOOD SINGLE PARENTS OUT THERE BUT NOT MANY NOW SCHOOL SPORTS DONT EVEN KEEP SCORE EVEYONE IS GETTING TROPHIES WHAT HAPPEN TO BETTERING YOUR SELF TO PUSH HARDER TO GET THAT TROPHY NOW IT WHY SHOULD I TRY I WILL STILL GET A TROPHY LIKE SEAT BELT SHOULD BE MY CHOICE NO ITS LAW I HAVE HAD 2 WRECKS THAT I WAS IN THAT THE EMT AND HIWAY PATROL SAID IF I HAD MY BELT ON I WOULD BE DEAD I KNOW A 16 YEAR OLD WHO DIED BECAUSE OF HER BELT CRUSHED HER CHEST AND PUNCTURED HER HEART BUT THE LAW SAYS I GOT TO WEAR IT OR PAY JUST ONE FREEDOM AFTER ANOTHER THINK ABOUT IT HARD OF THE WAY YOUR PARENTS WERE RAISED AND THEIR FINE AND ALL THE LAWS WE HAVE NOW THAT ARE SUPPOSE TO SAVE US THAT THEY NEVER HAD YOU MIGHT AS WELL SAY GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT IS LONG AS IM SAFE YPU MIGHT AS WELL MOVE TO CUBA OR RUSSIA WHEN THE WALL WAS STILL UP CAUSE WE ARE ON ARE WAY ASK ALL THE RUSSIANS WHO DIED TRING TO COME ACROSS THE WALL OR CUBANS WHO CAME A CROSS THE OCAEN TO BE FREE IF WE KEEP IT UP WITH ALL THIS BS WE WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ILLEGALS THEY WONT WANT TO BE HERE CAUSE ITS NO BETTER THEN WHAT THE ARE TRING TO GET AWAY FROM JUST THINK ABOUT IT IF THEY USE THE SCANNERS YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST FLY NAKED THAT WAY WE WILL ALL BE SAFE THEY WANT TO TAKE GUNS AWAY LOOK WHERE THEY OUTLAWED THEM CRIME RATE JUMPED FACT IN GEORGIA IT IS LAW ANY ONE OVER 18 MUST OWN A GUN CRIME RATE IS 0% WHATEVER HAPPENED TO ACOUNTABILITY IF THEY WOULD START MAKING PEOPLE PAY FOR CRIMES YOU WONT HAVE ALL THIS CRIME WHEN EYE FOR AN EYE WAS USED PEOPLE DINT COMMIT CRIME IN FRANCE AND ENGLAND WHERE PROSTITUTION IS LEGAL AND WOMAN RUN AROUND TOPLESS SEX CRIME DONT HARDLY EXIST ILLEGAL COST THIS COUNTRY BILLION EACH YEAR YOU WANT TO BRING OUR DET DOWN SEND THEM HOME MEXICO SAYS ARIZONAS LAW IS TO TOUGH LOOK AT THIER IMAGRATION LAWS AND AS FOR BAILOUTS ARE THEY GOING TO BAIL YOUR COMPANY ON THE CORNER OUT DONT THINK SO YOU GO BELLY UP SO THE GOV NEEDS TO STAY OUT OF ALL THESE THINGS GOV HEALTH CARE ASK THE COMMAN PERSON IN GREAT BRITTIAN HOW GOOD IT IS WHEN YOU GET SICK AND HAVE TO WIAT A YEAR TO SEE THE DOC OR IF YOU NEED A TRANSPLANT IF YOUR ELDERLY OR DRANK THEY SAY SORRY YOUR BOT WORTHY OF IT AND YOU DIE AND ARE HEALTH CARE MUST BE PRETTY GOOD SENSE MOST FOREIN LEADERS COME HERE FOR THEIR HELTH CARE AND IF YOU HAVE A PREME BABY IN OTHER GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS THEY DIE MOST OF THE TIME SO YOU NEED TO WAKE UP THEY ARE JUST AFTER YOUR FREEDOMS AND AS FOR OBAMA IF HE WAS BORN HERE WHY DOES HE SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO KEEP HIS BIRTH RECORDS SEALED JUAT SHOW THEM AND BE OVER AND DONE WITH IT AND IF THE GOV CARE ABOUT US WHY DONT THEY TAKE PAY CUTS LIKE US AND QUIT SPENDING RECKLESSLY WE WILL HAVE MASS INFATION SOON IF YOU DONT THINK SO LOOK AT RUSSIAS HISTORY CAUSE WE ARE ON THE SAME TRACKS OUR DOLLAR IS WORTHLESS CAUSE WE DONT HAVE THE GOLD TO BACK IT WITCH YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO PRINT NO MORE PAPER MONEY THEN YOU HAVE GOLD TO BACK IT YOU THINK YOUR SO SMART BUT YOU DONT NO HISTORY TO WELL OR YOU WOULD PUT A STOP TO ALL THIS AN IMPEACH THIS GUY JUST LIKE CLINTON WAS IMPEACHED REAGAN HAD A SURPLUS OF MONEY WITCH WAS STILL THERE WHEN CLINTON TOOK OFFICE WHEN BUSH 2 TOOK OFFICE WE WERE IN A SMALL RESSION AND DEDT GO FIGURE CLINTON WAS JUST ASKING THE PEOPLE TO DONATE TO HIM CAUSE HE WAS BIN DEDT THEN THEY THROW HIS DAUGHTER A 500 THOUSAND DOLLAR WEDDING JUST LIKE THE DEMS SPEND WHAT YOU DONT HAVE AND BEG FOR MORE MONEY FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE HURTING THANKS TO THEM AND ALL THIS IS TRUE FACTS JUST DDO A LITTLE RESEARCHBUT YET THEY DONT CARE CAUSE THEY STILL GET MILLIONS EVERY YEAR THEY ARE NOT HURTING LIKE THE COMMON PERSON IT IS JUST AN INSULT TO THE WORKING PEOPLE WHO MAKE THIS COUNTRY WORK OPEN YOUR EYES ALL THEY WANT IS MORE MONEY

          • Christin

            BB, your arguments are fine, but try using lowercase letters (and periods.) We are all frustrated with the power and freedom grab of the gov. which is now in hyper-speed.

            The Clinton wedding cost 3.2 million and the flowers were about $500,000. So when Hillary says we have to tax the “rich” she is talking about herself, because I don’t think $200,000 or $250,000 is “rich” or “wealthy.”

            It appears The Elite Ruling Class is putting a CAP on the “acceptable amount” We the People can make to bring our income level down and promote class warfare agaisnt those making that amount or more. That way their is more wealth for them.

  • Gary

    The goons of the TSA are like the Gestapo of Nazi Germany. They are not going to stop untill they have their nose in every aspect of everypersons life. The body scanners at the airports are only a start of what this intrusive agency is doing. Now they have plans to make these units mobile so they can do body scans of people walking down the streets and do drive by scanning of peoples homes. There will be no place in Amerika safe from the Gestapo.

    • kate8

      Not to mention that the scanners cause damage to our DNA. But, like sheep, people file right through them, dutifully doing what they are told.

      Very soon you will see scanners in government offices and all public buildings. It’s all about training us to comply. And there is no end to where we will be “nudged” into compliance.

      It’s well past time for us to draw the line. We are regarded as nothing but livestock, and causing damage to us is only a plus for these psychopaths. Anyone notice how so many things these days are geared toward reducing our lifespans?

      • Christin

        So right kate8 and Gary,
        Nudged, indeed, or lately more like pushed or shoved by the gov policia!

        10% of people LEAD, 80% FOLLOW, and 10% ACT STUPIDLY.

        I think most of the normal Conservative Americans are use to obeying the laws and conforming to the rules of society. It is American to love our country and Christian to trust and obey and not be a law breaker criminal type.

        Thus, the Ruling Class Elite are having a good laugh, I’m sure, at our easy obedience – as livestock or sheeple- to comply with their ridiculous and unconstitutional freedom stealing new laws.

        I do not fly anymore either, Joe R. I do not know all the new rules for luggage or care to be scanned or blown up. Perhaps keeping us afraid and homebound is a benefit to them. We are more trackable and not leaving a carbon footprint to hurt their new god, mother earth! More for them, I guess!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Christin,
          My wife wants to keep her job till she is at the required age to retire, her choice not mine. She has 27 years in, doesn’t want to lose it. The only problem is she has to fly monthly for her job. All over the world and the states. She still needs two years, then they can all kiss my azz!!

          • Christin

            Joe h.,
            Safety and Godspeed to you and your wife.

      • Brushface

        You can always ask for a wanding and pat down. No radiation there. Problem solved.

        • Christin

          I would only let the man I am married to “pat me down”.
          Don’t assume you can “touch me” or “look at my body” in the name of safety.

          I am NOT A TERRORIST and should not be treated as if I might be.
          What happened to innocent until proven guilty??

          All real Terrorists are Muslim and follow the Islamic religion cult, mostly are men between 20-40, pay with cash, often fly one way, often come from the Middle East, Europe, or Africa, do not fly with family, and are not mothers of school age children.

          What pathetic PC progressive/marxist dummy came up with scanners and taking off your shoes.

          Profile those that may have the “credentials of a Terrorist” (see above list). That’s what Isreal does and they are good at it and stay relatively safe.

          Why are Americans such morons… following the PC liberty killers and loosing your freedoms. Does anybody else see the light? God help us.

          • Brushface

            Men don’t check women so relax. Even though you are angry, most of what you say I agree with. However there are laws that tie the hands of agents not being able to single out most likely persons that you identified. Wish I could have done that. You can thank the ACLU and others like them for not letting TSA agents to “profile”.

          • Christin

            I am not angry Brushface, just frustrated with the direction our country is going in and the irrational stupidity of the ones calling the shots. It seems we have a new fight to save our rights and freedoms each day.

          • Brushface

            I agree christin. I wish it was all easier. The management was hard to deal with.

          • Marty

            “Those who surrender liberty for security deserve neither…”
            Brushface, I suspect you are employed by the TSA. If the government didn’t ‘legally’ prevent us from defending ourselves, and restricting any weapons that would assist in that defense, and we accepted the responsibility for our own safety the TSA would be totally unnecessary. Homeland Security is another bureaucracy joke. It does more to prevent security than improve it. Christin’s point of politically correct progressive propaganda ignoring the true perpetrators and probable suspects. I have to fly 4 to 6 times a week. It gets harder every time to tolerate the TSA. I believe they routinely violate the 4th Amendment: search without probable cause. But if I want to eat, I submit, grudgingly.

      • Lee Abel

        Ah yes kate8 the old “its unsafe” damages DNA bull$hit. Kate if you had brain one you would be dangerous. For the record current imaging technology exposes you to less dangerous radiation than sunbathing nude.
        As for the process of converting images is a largely held myth and that detailed scans will give you “pornographic” quality pictures.
        For one the pictures of the human body in clothing (done with clear fabric clothing) is not erotic in any way.
        As for storage the amount of information retained will only last till the flight is over, figure most amount of time required for storage in 24 hours.
        Reasons I have this info is my brother does imaging for military uses on government installation.
        The tech is not anywhere near as invasive as you think. The limits to the scanners ability are grossly over blown.
        You would get a much better view/”feel” from a strip search or frisk. See too many people have “determined” that it can do something that they are not designed to do.
        The technology looks for hard objects like knives, guns etc. it does not look at flesh.
        The “3d” rendering that can be had from “commercially” available software will give you an image that will be an extrapolation not accurate.
        And definitely not any type of great picture.
        As for the fact of giving up freedom, well freedom is what we make of the things allowed by civilization, laws.
        See the freedoms “guaranteed” by our Constitution are divined from the peoples choice and voice to create a free country.
        The scanners, when employed properly will actually give many people BACK the freedom to choose.
        Go through scanner, or get typical search. If 5 people want felt up, great, if they want to get scanned great, but in this day and age, the government and the TSA and all that are not taking our freedoms, its the bad people.
        As I have said many times before, if people of morals, ie the basic moral values laid out by religion (sorry but this country WAS based on the basic good moral rules from Christian Bible) get back to teaching that, then the ones growing up will bring those same values to government and hence bring government back to the more moral values.
        We fight stupid fights for “freedom” that isnt freedom. Immoral people want to make immoral acts ,”legal” and moral acts criminal.
        Example: an immoral act of a man laying with another man as he would a woman,,, this is an immoral act, yet we have idiots who want to teach a CHILD how to do this in like kindergarten or grade school, or teach two little girls its ok to have sexual relations together, even as young as kindergarten/first grade, as its natural, ok to explore.
        No its sin, in the eyes of the religious, and bad in the eyes of moral people.
        If you dont want to follow a religion, fine but if the rule is good, like dont steal, then will you follow the rule, moral people will.
        IF an inanimate object, doesnt see any weapon, the flight goes good, the software dumps the info.
        To store the amount info everyone is talking about to “save” picture to make a “rendering” and make it lurid is TERABYTES, and takes between gigaflops and teraflops , that billions of floating points to trillions of floating points and simply the fears have bashed the tech for DECADES.
        Think of it, keeping millions of images , or even hundreds of thousands of images, and the computing power to do what is “feared”. Well you gotta be VERY immoral to spend that kind of cash and time.
        Oh and as for the safety of the scanners, wear a dosimeter into one, bet it wont even shade let alone change, IE lay out and it will change faster.
        Trust this, radiation certification is beyond rabid when it comes to imaging.
        This comes from fears as far back as WWII, and actually the people watching it is so far above any government and have been agreed to by every nuclear capability country. Heck this is why Iran is getting so much grief, they will not petition to join and not want to follow the agreed upon rules.
        Radiation rules are hard to break, fool with them and you get dropped in a darker hole than anything Obama and company can conjure up.
        Build your own Xray machine and find out.

  • nolongerapilot

    It used to be that the most unpatriotic thing that the average American could do was buy “Savings Bonds”, thus promoting deficit spending by the fedgov. We are way past that now. The damage is showing up in every aspect of economic life.

    Now the most unpatriotic thing that the average American can do is to be a passenger on commercial airlines. Find other ways to go from point A to point B. Let the wormy little TSA Bastards go through the X-ray scanners themselves. Demand a refund of your plane ticket when you discover that you would have to relinquish your true civil rights in order to fly on a commercial airline. Don’t fly your own plane into any airports that have ridiculous “security”. Choose non-tower airports and get ground transportation to your destination.

    • DaveH

      Good advice, Pilot.

    • Brushface

      Talk about “wormy bastards”, you pilots were the worst of all. You make us wait while you weasel yourself through the line. Worm indeed.

      • DaveH

        It is so cool that you Liberal Controllers are so transparent. Keep posting so the fence-straddlers can see what power is all about.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Brushface,
        Did you ever stop to think that he might be an ex-airforce, army marine, or navy pilot 25 or 30 years of defending you???? How’s that foot taste???

    • christine

      well, we the people ,of the united states of america,in which we stand,one nation under God are being tricked ,into the age old trick of trick or treat hello look@this airport treat,STEEL YOUR RIGHTS AWAY.
      as the trick it is ,along -with -all the- other- now -daily -tricks.listen good :it,s called stand up america ,and hold on with both hands[] our consitutional rights] or,WE & our children will be in labor camps paying off BORROWED MONIES,)LOANS-PRESENTED TO THIS AND THAT by the new elects, in office,and-WE- in bondage with no consitutional rights,FOR US OR OUR CHILDREN WHY?BECAUSE,WE ARE NOW-IN BATTLE FOR THESE RIGHTS. THE AIR PLANE PILOT SAID,IT WELL GET A REFUND
      AND WALK-RIDE-TAXI-TAKE BUS-GET A CAR RENTAL BUT,DON,T GIVE AWAY OUR RIGHTS OF THE CONSITUTION.THANKS FOR FIGHTING FOR OUR CONSITUTIONAL RIGHTS.PLEASE GET YOURSELF A NEW COPY OF THE CONSITUTION AN FIGHT FOR
      THEMAND PAY FORWARD WHAT WE AND PAST GENERATIONS HAVE ENJOYED:FREEDOM.

    • christine

      well, we the people ,of the united states of america,in which we stand,one nation under God are being tricked ,into the age old trick of trick or treat hello look@this airport treat,STEEL YOUR RIGHTS AWAY.
      as the trick it is ,along -with -all the- other- now -daily -tricks.listen good :it,s called stand up america ,and hold on with both hands[] our consitutional rights] or,WE & our children will be in labor camps paying off BORROWED MONIES,)LOANS-PRESENTED TO THIS AND THAT by the new elects, in office,and-WE- in bondage with no consitutional rights,FOR US OR OUR CHILDREN WHY?BECAUSE,WE ARE NOW-IN BATTLE FOR THESE RIGHTS. THE AIR PLANE PILOT SAID,IT WELL GET A REFUND
      AND WALK-RIDE-TAXI-TAKE BUS-GET A CAR RENTAL BUT,DON,T GIVE AWAY OUR RIGHTS OF THE CONSITUTION.THANKS FOR FIGHTING FOR OUR CONSITUTIONAL RIGHTS.PLEASE GET YOURSELF A NEW COPY OF THE CONSITUTION AN FIGHT FOR
      THEM AND PAY FORWARD WHAT WE, AND PAST ,GENERATIONS HAVE ENJOYED:FREEDOM.OUR MILITARY PAID FORWARD ALREADY,THANKS

  • GRusling

    Personally, I have no problem with these scanners since anyone wanting to keep and distribute such images would be hard-up indeed to find mine of any interest, but I certainly understand why others might object strongly, and the 4th Amendment strictly forbids such a search by any entity of the federal government. Add to that the “FACT” that the so-called Patriot Act is totally unconstitutional, that the “TSA” has no legitimate reason to exist since “Airports” and “Airlines” are totally private industry, and we have all the reason needed to refuse to submit to such a “search.”

    Has America fallen to such a depth of despair that we willingly give up ALL our rights for a little (very little) security?

    Safety is, after all, a myth which does not exist in the real world, meaning nothing more than no active enemy in sight at some moment in time…

    • Wanda Murline

      I didn’t think you could be searched without probably cause and a warrant. Am I wrong. This is against the Constitution as it is a an unlawful search. You cannot bypass the Constitution in whatever you do regardless of the laws that have been passed by Congress. The laws passed by Congress do not over impact the Constitution, and a body search must be accompanied by a warrant. I have a better idea, build a bomb explosive box with automatic doors…you walk through it, and if it detects a bomb, the doors close very quickly and the bomb is detonated. I believe that this would work very well, if the bombers are stupid enough to go in with a bomb, you won’t have to put out the money to jail them or try them in court. The only expense you would have would be clean up.

      • kate8

        Wanda, Not long ago there had to be probable cause.

        This no longer seems to be the case. For those who have not yet noticed, a police-state is already being implemented…gradually, to get us used to complying.

        • DaveH

          Yep, Kate, we are on our way to totalitarianism.

      • Brushface

        “PATRIOT ACT”

        • Bob

          This is just a way of the gov’t getting people to stop flying. It’s easier to track your movements when you are grounded.

  • Sovereign Eric

    Again I say, this country is going to hell in a handbasket and there very well could be a revolution brewing. These nuts we sent to Washington are on a power trip and believe they are above any law and not accountable for any action they perpetrate. I am getting ready to vote with my feet and get the hell outta Dodge. Had enough of their crap and their creative ways of stealing more and more of my hard earned assets. They can take their “social programs” and shove them. Get a JOB and work you lazy slobs.

    • Soldier

      Yeah right, LOL. Revolution…. meh. Go back to your TV and get drunk.

      • USABrad

        Hey there soldier boy. What the hell makes you think that the American people are so dumbed down as you seem to be that you are totally convinced that we (the American people) are a bunch of [offensive word removed]. I don’t think uncle samie wants anything to do w/ an army of 300 million pissed off Americans. It’s just a matter of time before they continue their push and people feel boxed in. And I don’t care what kind of [offensive word removed] you are, when boxed in any animal will fight… but then the ones that don’t will be killed by wantabe GI Joe’s like yourself righteous self. Find a new hobby, like practicing w/ your rifle so you can shoot your own.

  • SammysDad

    One naked photo of me would end anyone’s desire to store photos. I believe that there is so many eyes in airports now that the bad guys will go somewhere else to destroy us, like those in the Capital Building!!

    • Soldier

      Think about it. If you were a pervert, foaming at the mouth for a chance to see naked children that you could masturbate to for months on end with sheer esctasy, how many pictures of nude grannies, gramps, and nude fat men and women would you withstand?

      After all, people still go to the beach even though the majority of women in bathing suits at beaches aren’t exactly Bay watch material. But when you see that absolute gorgeous blond, its all worth it, isn’t it?

  • Bob

    Before you blame the Dems for airport scanners you have to follow the money. Who benefits most. Michael Chertoff, former head of DHS a Bush appointee.

    • DaveH

      Who blamed the Dems?
      I think most of us on here don’t care if the Big Government is created by Democrats or Republicans. We just don’t want Big Government.

  • bob bishop

    What no one is really talking about is this: one x-ray session at an airport subjects a person to 1000 x the amount of x-rays of one check film.

    Travel enough and go through them enough and you will develope cancer in the future.

    I know!!! its a ploy to keep the cheaters and profit mongers at the American Cancer Society in business.

    How about this: “get scanned for the cure” with a pink ribbon on it.

    • Christin

      Not to worry, bob, you’ll soon have obamacare.

      • Bob

        Christin Will it pay for Viagra when I need it?

    • http://none Mark H.

      Lets see. When you get an xray at a hospital they always put a lead apron over your genitals if the xray may be near them. There is a good reason for this so what I would propose (someone will make money off this) is to manufacture a smaller version of said “lead apron” to take with you to the airport. Problem solved! Now I’m off to work on a prototype for the patent office!

  • kevin

    So they just rolled these things out in Phoenix where I fly out of on almost a weekly basis. So I get randomly selected to go through this thing. I have to take off my watch, everything out of my pockets – including some foam earplugs (ok whatever you say) wedding ring is OK – but earplugs are not – OK again whatever. After I go through all this the TSA guy says he has to do a pat down. I start to laugh. I can’t help myself so I say “it works so well you have to do a good old fashoned hand search?” So I dont know if the government spent half a millon dollars each on some empty plywood boxes painted blue or what.

    • Soldier

      This is all about slavery. This has nothing to do with safety. Arguably, the radiation dosage you are getting from these things far out weighs the slightly increased probability of terrorist attack on your plane.

      If the government was truly so concerned for our safety, then all new cars manufactured should have some kind of brain scanning device installed before you drive your vehicle to ensure you are 100% capable of safely driving your car. Dying in your car is the number one cause of death up to a certain age when cancer and heart attacks, etc. take over. It is way, way, way more likely that you will die in your car than die from a terrorist attack.

    • DaveH

      I was wondering if the Phoenix Airport had the scanners. Thanks, Kevin. I used to fly about every other week for my job, but I haven’t flown for a year or more. Due to all the Government intrusion on my Liberty, my flying days are pretty much over.

  • Soldier

    People, eat a lot of beans, burritos, etc. Refuse the scanner and when you are being frisked let out a huge fart.

    • Dr. Mabuse

      I concur, I would also suggest eating some hard boiled eggs and wash it down with some cheap wine. This concoction rivals the methane aroma emitted by cows.

      • Carole Howell

        Dr. Mabuse,

        Crude but it just might work.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Dr. Mabuse,
        I don’t know about that one. They might lable it a weapon of mass destruction and arrest you as a terrorist! I know after smelling that concoction, I would!!!

  • Viktor Leben

    This all goes back to 9/11 and the cheap ass airlines !! All those airlines had to do were 1) Harden the cockpit doors and 2) Place security on the planes and 3) Arm the pilots…..

    The whole TSA airport security expense should be coming out of the airline companies pocket. Why are we paying tax dollars to subsidize the darn airlines !

    Stupid Bush and Congress had to save the darn airline industry after 9/11 ! Giving them subsidies and then this TSA crap !

    A good Libertarian solution is to let them go out of business. But the darn Republicans wouldn’t ! Now we get stuck paying the bill for security because some stupid executives decided to cut corners on security !!!!

    We could have had a Mag-Lev underground railroad right now, 90 minutes from NYC to Paris or something like that half built already…..

    • Andy Howey

      I don’t agree with these scanners, regardless of who is funding them. Ultimately it is we who have to pay for them. If TSA is funding them, the money comes from our tax dollars, including from people who never fly and thus would never “benefit” (hahaha) from the scanners. On the other hand, if the airlines pay for them, they’ll jack up the ticket prices and cut more in-flight “services”. What is left for them to cut out — remove the seats and cram people into the cabins like cattle? In either case, it’s the paying public who has to bend over and, well, you know…

      • DaveH

        Removing the seats reminded me of something. After the 9/11 attacks, I was thinking of things to do to protect myself in such an event should terrorists take over the plane with boxknives or such. I came up with two ideas. One was to tear the steel stiffeners out of the pockets in the back of the seat for use as weapons. The other was to use the seat bottom cushion (easily removable at that time) for a shield. I mentioned these possibilities to several people. Coincidentally, they removed both from the airplanes that I flew on. Was this purposeful? Are they intentionally doing everything in their power to make us helpless sheep?
        I would much rather go down fighting, but they have made us almost completely defenseless. I’m surprised they don’t confiscate our credit cards (can be used as a weapon in the right hands).

    • BB

      YOU BLAME THE REP, FOR NOT LETTING THEM GO OUT OF BUS BUT THE DEMS BAILED OUT THE AUTO MANS THE BANKS AND ECT THE BAILOUT BUSH ASK FOR GOT SPENT MOSTLY BY THE DEMS HE ASK FOR BILLIONS AND ONLY GOT TO USE LIKE 300 MILLION OF IT AND OBAMA SPENT THE REST LOOK IT UP RHAT IS FACT THE HOUSE CRISIS COME FORM CLINTON TRYING TO UP SCALE NEIGHBORHOODS GRANTED IT WAS A GOOD IDEAL BUT WAS NOT PLANED OUT RIGHT AND THUS WHY WE ARE WHY WE ARE IN THE STATE WE ARE INBUT I DONT CARE IF OT WAS DEMS OR REPS THEY NEED TO FIX THE HOUSING MARKET OR THEY WONT GET OUT OF THIS MESS AND THE DEMS HAVE BEEN THROWING OUR CONTITUTION IN THE DIRT AND GOING AROUND IT RO GET WHAT THEY WANT BY PASSING CONGRESS ALL TOGETHER JUST LIKE ALL HIS CZARS THAT ARE ALL RADICALS JUST LOOK THEM UP THAT DIDNT HAVE TO BE ELECTED BECAUSE OBAMA KNOWS THEY WOULD NEVER MAKE IT DEMS AND REP ARE TO BLAME BUT WHO CARES GET RID OF ALL THE MONEY HUNGRY GOV THEY WORK FOR US WE NEED TO SHOW THEM THAT AND FIX OUR GREAT COUNTRY TO THE WAY OUR FOREFATHERS MADE IT OBAMA DONT EVEN HAVE AN AMERICAN FLAG IN HIS PRESS CONFRENCES HIS WIFE IS SPENDING MILLIONS ON TRIPS WHY WE STRUGLEOVER 900 BILLION FOR HEALTH CARE 1 MILLION TO EARTH QUAKE VICTOMS AND WE CANT EVEN HELP OUR OWN WE OWE CHINA TRILLIONS HOW ARE THEY GOING TO PAY THAT BACK LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF RUSSIA MASS INFLATION AND AMERICA WILL BE DONE ISLAM WINS IF YOU DONT THINK SO TRY IT YOURSELF BORROW ALL YOU CAN AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU NO BAIL OUT JUST BANKRUPT LOOK UP RUSSIAN HISTORY IT WILL SHOW YOU WHAT COMING DONT TAKE MY WORD DO YOUR RESEARCH AND SEE IF YOU THINK ITS NOT TRUE UNLESS YOU ARE JUST GOING TO RUN YOUR PIE HOLE WITH NO FACTS WHEN YOU RESEARCH IT THEN REPLY TILL THEN SHUT UP WITH YOUR REMARKS

  • Dee

    I am just amazed at the number of sheeple that pass through these airports on a daily basis. That would be the day that I pay for a ticket to go somewhere and let them treat me as a criminal before ever boarding the plane. What is wrong with the people now a days. It is because of those that allow it that the government thinks it can do whatever they want to us. Say NO to all of it. If I wanted people to see under my clothes I wouldn’t bother wearing them or would have become a stripper and made some money with it. Those of you who go through those machines, should ask to be paid. After you have a brain scan, because I don’t think you have one.

    • DaveH

      But if you removed your clothes purposely, Dee, they would arrest you for indecent exposure. They get us coming and going.
      I think people long ago enabled this kind of behavior when they turned a blind eye and allowed Government people to ignore morality which the rest of us are expected to obey, such as “thou shalt not steal”, and “thou shalt not kill”.

  • Marilyn

    As long as the airports do NOT pick random people for searches or scans, I will go along with whatever they have in place to deter terrorists and nuts. Random picks do absolutely nothing and does not make me feel more secure on flights. It’s Everyone or No One-Disgusting as scans seem to be. My question is: How to prevent Terrorists or screwballs from coming into the airports? Seems like a lot more at risk inside the terminals. I’m not clear on the security system. Anyone have a clue about this?

  • MR.Washington

    There is a very easy, less intrusive way to conduct a search without these scanners. How about thermo-imaging? Just scan body heat. Hello…

  • Jim

    Best idea I’ve heard yet is to have an explosion proof box that can sense the tiniest bit of explosive and cause it to detonate. You don’t have to scan anyone, just have them step in to the box and if they have explosives – problem solved!

    • CJM

      And what about those innocent folks standing nearby? Is it okay to consider them the casualties of terrorism as an “oh well” attitude is displayed? These robed shieks need to remove the robes so that a visual can be made. If they don’t like it, then the sand diggers can stay home.

      • Jim

        CJM, what part of “explosion proof box” didn’t you understand?

    • Carole Howell

      Jim, Best yet.

  • 45caliber

    I have a simply solution to this airport security problem. I don’t fly any more.

  • RobertK

    time to take it to the states and dismantle the federal “government” because the only thing left after that solution if it does not work is takin’ it to the streets…

  • http://gmail i41

    Insistite that every goat humping muslim from any where, is searchered by a scanner, then stripped searchered if the bastards are going to fly in and out of the USA. After having to work around the stinking greasy goats, loading hogs would be a breathe of fresh air. If the TSA would run everyone through the machine instead of picking and choosing who gets scanned, it would be a little more fair. The PC crap, checking a young child and let a single or multi male group of diaper heads go by, why they might feel slighted. I could care less if the stay the hell out of the USA until they get out of the stoneage and their abusive beleifs towards women. To many PCed pinheads don’t want to offendf these stoneage pedophiles, this is our nation not a damn muslim Sharia law country. Only thing jackasses understand is a club up side the head, and when they are here sshut up and obey our laws and customs as we are in the 3rd world boar’s nest of theirs.

  • CJM

    Those scanners can cause cancer. I remember years ago when every shoe store had the “latest great thing in marketing;” that was the little x-ray machine that one put one’s feet into in order to see how well the new shoes fit. It was only when a high number of people began showing up with cancers that the relationship was made and it became illegal for any store to use that scanner. Don’t tell me that a scanner isn’t a mini x-ray machine; how else could such a device show the rest of the body???? Besides, we are entitled to our right to privacy and this plan is very intrusive. Imagine how many sexual predators and pedophiles will be applying for the position of airport scanner operator! This administration needs to look at other methods for promoting safety at the airport (and other places of transportation); using a device that promotes a deadly illness is certainly not the way to go.

    • http://YouTube.com/CanadaLarry Lawrence Edward Calcut

      At CJM
      Some wise and great profit once said that “The bigger the Lie the more it will be believed” Well how about this lie.

      The Full Body scanners most sertainly do interact in a negative way with the normal DNA of every cell in your body and in a few years time the body will react to what has happened and take on a complete change. The skin of the body, the largest organ of the body, will change to an light blueish color and eventually become slightly transparent.
      Of course the more times you are scanned the sooner the transformation will begin to happen, so in a few years we will have a new race of blue skinned and partly transparent humans living amoung us.
      Now what if the lie was not a lie at all. We are never told the truth about such medical things, are we?
      Ya, what if….
      enough…..

  • http://gmail i41

    The cheapest and simplest way is to let anyone who wants conceal and carry. First mouthy jackass that gets goofy and starts calling his clay figurine allah, drop his maggot rear on the floor. There would be more respect and better behavior. I would drather fly on a plane with several armed Americans than the feel good crap thast unions scrot scratchers in the airport. Think of the money that could be saved. Same would go for the shoe bomber or underwear bomber, shoot the braines out of them and put them in the dumpster, no repeat offenders.

    • Christin

      Islamic Terrorists… I’m sure they thought it out, right?

      After the “shoe bomber” American officials made everyone take their shoes off.

      So after the “underwear bomber” why don’t we all have to take our underpants off?
      Oh yea, we do in the scanners!

      American leaders are so smart, right?

      • Bob

        The underwear bomber didn’t even have enough explosives to blow his little dingy off. Another gov’t setup to have an excuse to take away more of our freedoms.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      i41,
      I’ll let YOU fly on that plane!!! Ever given a thought to what happens to a body as it is sucked through a 1/2 inch hole at 10,000 ft in the air?? of course the rest of the people on the flight will thank you posthumously for stopping THEM from being mal-formed!! All it takes is one Rambo that doesn’t know how to aim under stress to kill all the people on the flight!! I am a firm believer in concealed carry, but there are certain moments when I would rather err on the safe side!! Now if you want a couple of air marshalls on each and every flight, no prob!!

  • Hannibal Smith

    YOO’D ALL BE WELL ADVISED TO KNOW THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY HAS ALREADY GONE MOBILE, WITH ABILITY TO CONTROL THE SCANNER REMOTELY.. THIS ENABLES THEM TO PATROL STREETS & PEER INTO VEHICLES.. EXPAND THAT CONCEPT & ONE NEED NOT FEEL SAFE FROM THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT EVEN IN THEIR HOME.. i.e. THE ” PRIVACY OF YOUR OWN HOME ” IS HISTORY..

  • Norm

    Try to be a little objective. Nobody is really that interested in your naked body. Half the humans living look like you (more or less).

    The majority vote:
    http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2010-01-11-security-poll_N.htm

  • Hung??

    Guys, Gals. No worries, let’s give them a show. Paint eyes above your belly button, with an arrow pointing downward. Guys, tie a red ribbon around the unit, and gals, well no tieing necessary -

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