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EPA Announces Rules For Oil And Coal Plants

December 26, 2011 by  

EPA Announces Rules For Oil And Coal Plants

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced that hundreds of the nation’s oldest and dirtiest power plants have to either clean up or shut down as part of a new rule outlined last week, The Associated Press reported.

According to the news outlet, the EPA will force plants to control mercury and other toxic pollutants for the first time.

The national standards rein in the biggest source of uncontrolled toxic pollution in the U.S. The emissions from the nation’s coal-and oil-fired power plants, which have been permitted to operate for decades without addressing the impact on the environment and public health costs, the AP reported.

“Before this rule, there were no national standards limiting the amount of mercury, arsenic, chromium, nickel and acid gases that power plants across the country could release into the air that we breathe,” EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said at a conference.

According to TIME Magazine, the public health benefits, as reported by the EPA, will allegedly prevent some 11,000 premature deaths a year and 130,000 childhood asthma symptoms. However, the cost of these regulations may run to $11 billion per year.

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  • s c

    Let’s face a simple fact or two, people. If it’s true that plants will be forced to ‘control mercury and other toxic pollutants for the FIRST time,’ a question or two beg to be asked and answered. First, where the ^*_+ has the EPA been hiding?
    Second, why is this important NOW? Third, HOW MUCH TIME do those plants have to modify their systems? Fourth, is constructive change the main priority, or is a certain prez using a czar to wreck the economy in a way that hasn’t been tried yet?
    Because Washington and pc dreamers have to be held to standards, it would be interesting to know if a) America is being singled out as the world’s chief culprit, or b) does CHINA get another free pass to continue to hold America hostage so Obummer can try and claim that he gives a damn about EPA matters and America’s health issues.
    Is anyone interested to know if the compassionate and health-driven crowd has been serious for all these years? You’d almost think that the EPA is nothing but a worthless, money-sucking agency that will talk about environmental issues but is content to be a round-heeled trollop for whatever political party needs easy, robotic votes. Interesting stuff, especially when you don’t THINK about it very often.

    • eddie47d

      SC is playing the damned if you do and damned if they don’t with the EPA.That way she can be right no matter what side is taken. Maybe she forgot to wear a hat outside yesterday and it frosted her cranium.

      • s c

        edweener, you’re consistent. However, as you add nothing to the conversation and you prefer trying to pee on other people’s legs to protect your plastic W H god, it gets predictably boring. The only way you could have come up with your childish conclusions is to avoid answering any of my questions.
        Sobeit. If you can’t act like an adult at least once a month, then be happy with being treated like the ^*=+ you are. Chill out, take a Midol, get some more estrogen, but do SOMETHING and get something besides hot air into that head of yours, utopian. You can’t be an ankle-biting brat all of your miserable life, comrade. Make some worthwhile contributions to this website, or head for S F where you can be ‘all you can be’ – and get away with it.

        • Joe H.

          sc,
          I can guarantee there is NO hot AIR in his cranium where ITS permantly wedged!!! Hot GAS, maybe! Air? NOT A CHANCE!!!

        • USAF VET

          Please not San Francisco, it’s corrupted enough without another clouded unthinking brain to add to the confusion that has become The City of the Gay, formerly known as the City by the Bay.

        • eddie47d

          Yes SC whenever you do decide to print anything relevant …yes anything… then I will make an attempt to stop exposing your fraudulent comments.

    • Antny

      The EPA should be a non-profit organization. They should be required to fix any problems with their own money instead of requiring business to fix the problems they find. AND, if they can’t find enough people who agree that are willing to give the money to fix it, then apparently it isn’t that big of a problem.

      • Flashy

        I can tell you haven’t been to Mexico City in the summertime, or China anytime, or read up on the “London fog” days of the late 19th century.

        • Joe H.

          flushy,
          As long as that goes on, nothing we do will make a bit of difference!! for every CUT we make China or some other third world country increases their output of pollution!! how about the EPA goes after THEM for a change!!! WE,VE PAID ENOUGH!!

    • JUKEBOX

      Obama is having to fulfill his campaign promise of “ENERGY PRICES WILL SKYROCKET”, making every American go hungry or freeze to death, or die of heat exhaustion during the summer. This is a modification of the Hitler population elimination program, but the general public is TOOO STUPID to see this ideology.

      • eddie47d

        Energy prices would be going up no matter who is President. That has been true for decades and now there is more world wide demands. All countries will be facing the same dilemma at least we can rebuild our plants to make ourselves more cost efficient.

        • USAF VET

          The EPA isn’t interested in cost efficiency, they are interested in control. And just who would it be cost efficient to, certainly now for John Q Public. Prices would double or triple due to the new regulations of the EPA.

        • eddie47d

          Horse Wacky!

    • http://google.com Rob

      “is a certain prez using a czar to wreck the economy in a way that hasn’t been tried yet?”

      This is the correct answer. Obama is trying to wreck what’s left of our economy. He must be removed from office immediately.I’m so sick of the ignorant people who keep making excuses for this Traitor. Obama is a communist and he’s following the manifesto to the T. Democrats who can’t see what he’s doing are brain dead.

  • http://www.hgwaco.com R H

    Have you had enough yet? While you sit shivering in your homes all wrapped up in blankets because you can’t afford to pay for heating oil or your electric bill, think about how it is you got there. We have a President that is a traitor to his people in just about every way you can possibly categorize it. He isn’t worried about elections, we will see marshal law before he steps down, mark my words, but try and stay warm and have a good year.

    • eddie47d

      No traitor just the opposite. Coal will be around for many decades or longer. You’d think some of you would wise up and taste the mercury that is blowing in the air and has been for centuries. When you see a problem that is not healthful for anyone you make attempts to fix it. You require new technology and newer power plants in dealing with the inefficiencies of the old. Why heat up a whole oven to warm leftovers and waste energy when you can zap it in the microwave for 2 minutes. It’s called progress where other safer and sometimes less expensive sources of energy can be used to achieve the same goal.Now RH you aren’t still riding into town on that horse are you?

      • Rayma Dorsa

        Use your head Eddy,they have had years to take care of this problem,but look what they are putting in our food,and the shots they give us,they really don’t care about our health, only the quickest way to kill us.I just saw a car with an Obama sticker on it..I can’t believe there are people out there that are PROUD to carry around his sticker. I would like to say to Tim, “the economy is not coming back”we are at the end of America as we remember it” What we live in is a DICTATOR NATION with Obama as the DICTATOR so get ready for the MARK OF THE BEAST. They want to know even what you had for breakfast..If you sell out to them and take thier mark,Myself I am settled in with the “KING OF KING & LORD OF LORDS,And waiting for HIS arrival.Consider Jesus Christ as your Savior.

      • eddie47d

        Maybe you should use your head Rayma Dorsa for there is no Mark of the Beast as you see it. You are misusing the Bible to achieve your own Agenda in spreading falsehoods. Since Jesus Christ has been my Savior all my life you are the one being the dictator in assuming differently. Why haven’t these private power companies in some states taken the initiative to clean up after themselves. Why does the government even have to “scold” them and enforce action against them to make their product safer for the public. When it comes to pollution and dangerous chemicals private companies can be very irresponsible. Why should they keep getting away with their lack of concern for the community they are making money off of? You say the “economy isn’t coming back”. Maybe so but that is because of the recklessness that occurred on Wall Street and the Corporations that made tons of money. That made a few extremely wealthy without putting back into society or the system they made that money off of. Many entities can be blamed for Americas morass including the G Bush administration. Government over reach with the likes of Freddie and Fannie didn’t help matters either. Both parties had their hands in that mess but more so the private mortgage companies spent to much time bundling weak accounts which pushed the market over the cliff. Your too stuck on hating Obama for the wrong reasons and come across as being desperate.

        • http://google.com Rob

          Go away Edie, you’ve had too much coolaid and you can’t think straight.

      • DanB

        If mercury is such a problem from these power plants, why are we told that the trace amounts in your government approved and recommended immunizations considered safe? Or perhaps those government approved and recommended CFL light bulbs, the ones we were going to be forced to use because government was going to make incandescent bulbs without any mercury illegal for your home?

        • eddie47d

          Two wrongs don’t make a right. Mercury is deadly in most cases for it can only take trace amounts to harm someone. These older coal plants pour much larger quantities in the air so that is a bigger battle at this time.

      • Joe H.

        eddie,
        do you mean new technology like the mercury laden “pig tail” bulbs??? Yeah, good idea!!!

      • FWO21

        Try watering a plant for one month on water that has been microwaved and see what happens. That is what a microwave does to the food you eat from it, it you eat enough of it. The plant dies.

    • JUKEBOX

      I bet it’s lovely weather in that expensive home the Obamas are staying in over in his “ALLEGED” birthplace of Hawaii.

      • LMinDesPlaines

        Perhaps we could fix up the White House for the Obamas–it must be quite a dump since they’re never there. Think of the fuel we could save. I have to laugh at the hypocrisy of this president constantly flying around in a 747-200 while preaching to the rest of us that we should “think green.” (Don’t forget, it’s not just one 747-200. There is a second 747-200 used as a decoy every time the president takes a trip—plus at least four other jet airliners used to carry his security detail, cars, etc.) And then there’s Michelle “don’t eat what I eat—eat what I say” Obama. God forbid the “little lady” should have to wait a couple of days before starting her 17 day vacation. No, two or three more jetliners (round trip—even if she returns with the president those jetliners have go get back to Washington) just so she can start her vacation a few days early. Poor dear. I guess planning the eating habits for 300 million plus Americans is quite exhausting.

    • Erik

      Dear RH,The good news is obumer will definitly be re-elected thanks to the brilliant republicrat party.The fix is in thanks to the Ryan plan the house endorsed.Have a nice day!

      • Joe H.

        Eric,
        Well I have some news for you bubba! The polls show that Ron Paul CAN and WOULD beat Abummer and just guess who is ahead, as in the lead, in Iowa??? NOBODY BUT GOOD OL’ RON PAUL!!!!

  • rob tresso

    I came from a coalmining town and area, we now have found that there is a much higer incidence of cancer and a few other lung problems from the residents of that town and area. The power companies need to clean up the air just as the manufacturing plants need to stop polluting the rivers, greed is always a basis for uncaring. Chemical and paint producing plants are not free either. Too many americans have died prematurely due to these toxic wastes in the air & water, many others are having to use their life savings on huge medical bills they shouldn’t have. Yes, America needs to clean up its air & water. Let’s make America beautiful again, it once was.

    • FWO21

      I don’t have a problem with clean air, water, and decent food to eat but what about chemtrails? gmo’s? fluoride in the water and lord only knows what else they have put it in.

    • Joe H.

      rob tresso,
      do you b!tch so loud a syou drink your pop from a plastic bottle in summer? do you gripe about the Chemicals when you get a shot from your Dr.? how about when you open your lunch and eat your sandwich from a plastic bag? If you needed a transfusion to live, would you scream so loud as they gave you that transfusion through a petro-chemical tubing?Do you take meds in a capsule? How about a pacemaker?
      Do you wear polyester pants or even cotton/ polyester blend underwear? The list goes on and on, my friend. Which do you want to give up first??? I know, let’s start with all that fresh food that you get in plastic containers. now of course you have wind power, don’t you? Oh, wait, you can’t have that without plastics as well!!! Darn guess you’ll just have to sit in your little one room grass shack and freeze!!!

  • Donald D Jones ww2 vet

    And those that comply will have to raise your electric bill, Thank you Obama in a time when we do not need more bills. I go a way back with this bunch at the EPA, fining a company for having a 10 ft ladder leaning on a tank to a yellow line on the floor to keep people out ot the christmas tree assembly area. I am convenced that the people at the EPA are brainless liberal idoits and must be eliminated for this country to grow and prosper
    and that is the way I see it. don jones

    • Karolyn

      Isn’t human life more important than the almighty dollar? How about all the money pumped into the so-called “health” industry because of all the people suffering from the effects of pollution? I’m sure Big Pharma feels the same way you do. If there are less sick people, they make less money. It is a vicious circle that has to be broken if we are ever able to survive as a species. Free energy can be made but has been stifled by the powers-that-be. Watch “Thrive the Movie” at http://www.thrivemovement.com.

      • Myra

        Of course human life is more important than money. But how are we to sustain our human lives if we can’t pay our bills? I think personally the best way to go is to become self-sufficient, raise your own meat and veggies, find ways to do without electricity, etc. But the reality is that 90% of our population is not going to be willing/able to do that, for multiple reasons. Another point is that many people, myself included, don’t believe everything the EPA says. Just because they are telling you that these plants are putting out all these pollutants, DOES NOT mean you, me or anyone else should accept that at face value. Yet another problem with these plants have to do a so-called clean up is, how many jobs will they have to cut to be able to afford the changes?

      • eddie47d

        Why would jobs have to be cut Myra? If new and more efficient plants are built to replace the old ones constructions jobs are added and the old workers still keep their jobs until the new plants are built. Then the old workers move into the new plant and the construction workers move over to the old plant to tear them down. I would say jobs are added and I don’t get where you think electricity is going away if either new plants are built or alternative sources are used.

        • KennyB

          Who is going to pay these construction workers and buy the material to build this new plant? Let alone tear down the old one and remove all the debris.

        • Buster the Anatolian

          eddie it the plants are significantly more efficient they will use many fewer workers than the old plants.

        • eddie47d

          That could be Buster but there will be fewer emissions and more energy output on the efficiency side. That is two pluses and a new coal powered plant may need about as many workers depending on what kind of assembly system being used to move the coal. It’s great to see some of you be concerned about all those union jobs that could be lost. That’s a blessing in disguise.

          • Joe H.

            No eddie, they woul have to get rid of the unions to be able to supply the power cheap enough for the people to be able to afford it. Oh, that’s right, as long as you have YOURS, the hell with the rest of them, right? good ol’ eddie, so concerned about the less fortunate of the people!!! Good for you eddie! Yeah RIGHT!!!

          • eddie47d

            Still screwing anybody you can Joe? We use to call them skanks and that fits you about right!

      • JUKEBOX

        Of course human life is more important than money, but BIG PHARMA and the majority of the MEDICAL INDUSTRY are more interested in filling their bank accounts by treating people’s ailments until they die from whatever, than they are in CURING their ailment. I would bet the Medical and Pharma industry’s profits exceed the profits of the EPA’s pollution targets.

        • Karolyn

          Absolutely right, Jukebox. Watch “Thrive”! You can find it sometimes on ouTube or pay $5 for 48 hours. I clipgrabbed it from YouTube and have it on my home computer to burn for everybody I meet who’s interested. It is an excellent full-length movie. http://www.thrivemovement.com

    • Flashy

      The EPA inspected safety conditions? LOL…..hokayyyyyy that one is a stretcher to say the least.

    • Jibbs

      The 10 foot ladder and yellow line are enforced by OSHA, another waste of our money.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

    Our Labor Government [socialist left] government in coalition with our RED GAY GREENS Party have just passed a Law requiring energy producers and steelworks to pay a $23 per tonne carbon tax and you think Omana is not looking after you.? When he came to visit Australia our beloved leader Julia [Devil] Gillard tried to convince Obama that her policies where a great idea…but he just like the Canadian Prime Minister before him were not going to have any of that stupid idea [diplomatically of course]. So think yourselves very lucky that your businesses are not going to go broke because of the foolish leaders we have to put up with until the next elections.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS in Australia

    We have the EPA too…wonder who really runs it?

    • eddie47d

      Julia Gillard is popular and fighting for a healthier environment in Australia. Go Julia and keep your EPA on target.There is nothing foolish about healthy environmental standards. I do hear she isn’t too friendly in allowing immigrants in but that has been your policy forever.

      • Joe H.

        Yeah, eddie, there are some countries that only let in the people that have a skill that their country NEEDS. They don’t just let the gimmes in left and right to bank rupt them!!! In the sixties, if you had a skill that Australia needed, they would actually set you up with land and a house. not the US, though. They only do that with the people that have NOTHING to offer, except a hand held out!!!

      • Jibbs

        47d, You must be the only guy on the planet with ALL the answers.

        • eddie47d

          Where you been JIBBS? At least they are more on target than anything that Joe H has to say.

    • JUKEBOX

      The FOX is guarding all of our Henhouses.

  • Sirian

    There does exist a terminal cancer within the United States, elsewhere also – Australia, Europe, Japan etc. – and from the direction the medications that are NOT being used there will come a point that most everyone, worldwide, will literally feel the pain such cancer will inflict. Is there a possible solution to this cancerous state of being that so many of us exist in now? Why of course, but the problem that lies within that solution is whether or not there will be a surge in well informed, common sense voters to eliminate the problem. Unfortunately that is debatable without doubt. Hopefully the tide will be turned to a much more Constitutional direction without backdoor, special promises quietly made. That has become more evident over the past four decades than previously known. Shall we truly care? Lord I hope so!!

    • JUKEBOX

      As long as Cancer treatments approved by the FDA & AMA are profitable, the Dumb Masses wil not accept WELLNESS treatments like HYDROGEN PEROXIDE & CHELATION. They also will not warn people about the Cancer fertilizers like High Fructose Corn Syrup, MSG, etc.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/epa-announces-rules-for-oil-and-coal-plants-800669060/?eiid= William L Collins

    the E.P.A. a few years ago passed regaltions that Elect, power plants need to change from Nat,gas to coal fired plants now they want them to change back to Nat, Gas the only reason they are doing this is to bring up Nat,Gas prices and your Elect,Bills the E.P.A. is one part of goverment that needs to be taken under control they cost the taxpayer billons of dollars a year and has put hiden tax surcharges on gas, elect, car repair, utilty bills, cattle farts,on ranchers and farmer, to make more billons off the backs of the taxpayers and driveing companys out of the country The E.P.A. not helping this country there tearing this country down so we need to clean up the E.P.A. and take control of our country there are enough laws on the books if in forced would keep clean water and air so do away with the E.P.A. priod and save billons of taxpayer money

    • eddie47d

      That’s not true. Why do you think the health care business is growing and prospering? The cost of dirty coal fired powered plants when it comes to poisoning the atmosphere has exacerbated the asthma problem and nerve damage with the mercury problem. The costs and problems have just been transferred to the health care industry and your medical bills. Natural gas is also less expensive and less polluting although it will not be a totally replacement for coal either. Many new coal plants will be built to replace the old and inefficient ones.

      • Moosedrool

        The “health care” industry (you got that right, it is BIG BUSINESS), cares nothing about our health and everything about keeping us unhealthy so that they can line their pockets with our money. They tell us nothing but lies about how to be “healthy” and then we go to the store and by the processed crap that they call food. They inject us with poisons in the name of disease “prevention” knowing full well that they are causing a lifetime of other conditions that will need to be “treated” (ca-ching) and then of course, “Here, we have a pill for that. Oh, now you are having this problem, well, take this pill, and this one, too.” Drugs for the side effects of drugs beings taken for “health care” industry caused conditions.

      • Opal the Gem

        After repeatedly stating for the last year+ that all big business is bad eddie is suddeenly all for big pharma.

        • JUKEBOX

          I bet he also believes in the “TOOTH FAIRY”, which could be Obama.

        • eddie47d

          I have never said I’m for Big Pharma Opal quite the opposite! Are you a sorcerer Opal or just a garden variety troll?

          • Opal the Gem

            Your statement certainly seems to support it and.

          • eddie47d

            Turn off the idiot machine Opal it’s not helping you at all.

          • Opal the Gem

            It is sure helping you eddie. Its helping prove what an idiot you are.

          • Renderizer

            eddie47d, the only troll on this site is you. You are a closed-minded evil little turd with a nose and breath that smell just like Obama’s rectum. You castigate and belittle anyone who dares to question the policies of the “messiah” (and I emphasize mess) and his disciples. You routinely use all the tricks taught in Progressivism 101 to bully and shutdown or deflect the conversations. I generally try to just ignore fools like you but you just make such a target of yourself with your arrogant buffoonery that I just can’t resist taking a shot or two. Why don’t you go back to your Obama fan club and stay there. Don’t worry, we’ll do fine without you.

          • Joe H.

            Oh, this is rich!!!!!! eddie telling ANYONe to turn off the idiot machine, when he IS the idiot machine!!!!!! you can’t BUY this kind of comedy relief!!!!

          • eddie47d

            I’m never closed minded about anything Renderzier but you have proven yourself to be as evil as Opal.

        • eddie47d

          I see Jukebox threw in a little off the subject nonsense also. I guess you two are on double troll duty!

          • Jibbs

            Put your pointed hat back on and go stand in the corner where you belong……..troll

          • eddie47d

            You have a serious problem Jibbs so take it to a psychiatrist not me. What is your thoughts on mercury poisoning or coal ash? Have anything legitimate to say?

    • Flashy

      Ummm…William. ya sure about that mandate? I believe what occurred was the then-politicized EPA relaxed the standards so that coal fired would not be replaced with natural gas burners. It was done as a BushII/Cheney gift to the coal mining industry.

      One has to remember, Natural Gas is plentiful, relatively clean (carbon capture on gas is much cheaper than with coal), and we have abundant supply. I do recall something of what you’re speaking about, but I believe it was relaxing standards and granting waivers to keep older, less efficient, higher polluting plants from switching over.

  • http://bjwholmes@verizon.net Barbara

    Do as I say and not as I do! It’s time for our leader to crank up all the fireplaces in the Whitehouse, dismiss every car and driver and use only horses to travel, then sell Air Force One to Tiawan, and take his monthly vacations, fishing on the Patomac. Of course the horses will create a bit of pollution. It can be used as fuel for the fireplaces. He doesn’t know it but it really costs more to go to Hawaii than to cut wood on a ranch in Texas. That’s the comparison Americans need to make.

    • don

      i agree wit selling air force 1 to tiawan. why don’ obummer take first class like a lot of people do at his own expense. that would save millions. we taxpayers probly pay travel expenses for all standing presidents. let his campaign pot pay for it. save millions and pollute. obummer needs to plant his ass in dc and attempt to do his job. it would save millions.

    • eddie47d

      I see Barbara had to drag G Bush into the conversation (chopping wood in Texas). Since Obama is from Hawaii he isn’t allowed to visit his home state with his family? Now that is a stretch even for you. I hate to tell you all but Bush is still ahead of Obama in the Vacation department so give it a rest. Now if Obama or any President can make the White House or any government building more energy efficient then I say go for it.

    • JUKEBOX

      But the horses will create thousands of NEW pooper scooper jobs in DC, and move the shoveling of equine and bovine fesces out of the WH and Congress.

      • eddie47d

        Triple nonsense from Jukebox. The only excrement being shoveled is from your frontal lobe!

        • Renderizer

          At least she has a frontal lobe you Obama brown-noser.

          • eddie47d

            How about supplying a few facts to your evil comments. Do you have anything between those ears?

  • Tony N

    I found this article had a Paragraph that asked a question about Why maybe Barack Obama was able to skate around the eligibility clause , and how the NDAA bill was able to End Posse Comitias law and overrule the right to the 4th and 5th amendments of the US Constitution . This Might be why they are Not Enforcing the Immigration Law ?? Hey is this how they are implementing sustainable development taking away rights of private property owners ??? This might be why he did not close Guantanamo and why he will continue the path of endless wars , because as long as there is a War on Terror this executive order from 2001 that suspends the US Constitution stays in Place , but if the threat of terror is reduced from a Military threat then this suspense would end and Obama would then have to follow the US Constitution and that would require the Eligibility Clause be followed .

    Plus maybe this is how they are passing Legislation in the Dark of Night in locked doors NO Press No reading of the Bills by representatives , like healthcare against the will of the people and averting passage of a budget and able to kick the monetary policy can down the road running deficits without any accountability that speaks to the Sound money Principles of the US Constitution that requires a economic private sector growth that effects how we Constitute Monetary Policy to effect the solvency of our Currency regarding how Trade Policy is like running huge trade deficits ever since it was drafted and implemented , there is a reason why they can keep getting away with not having to implement trade policy that balances . The Suspension order that is talked about below could be why we are Dying as a nation of laws and very well could be what we need to know to draft a Reversal that can Restore US Constitutional order back to the USA . Merry X-Mas
    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/symon/081107 , This paragraph is about half way down in the article .

    ” The US Constitution is clear on the matter of Presidential requirements, but what if the US Constitution has quietly been under suspension since September 2001, through the use of “The National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C.1601-1651)” which, incidentally, prohibits any President from declaring and prolonging a State of National Emergency for more than a two year period. Yet this “Emergency” nonetheless has lasted continuously since September 11, 2001. Are COG rules in force? and if so why have House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson and Oversight Subcommittee Chairman Christopher Carney’s request to scrutinize those rules been refused ? “

  • Gorba

    The solution is simple, however, the same environmentalist minded people that want to shut down our power plants, also have not allowed nuclear power plants to be built. The EPA should back off until they approve and build nuclear power plants. Our POTUS will not allow that because it does not fit his agenda.

    • eddie47d

      Power plants are being shut down to replace them with new ones. Some of these plants are over 50 years old and too costly to retrofit with scrubbers and other pollution devices. Building new ones make more sense. Not everyone is thrilled with Nuclear Power plants. The waste problem being transferred across state lines is a touchy subject. They use an abundance of water and can’t or shouldn’t be built in an earthquake zone. Then there is the cost of building and operating them. There is technology to recycle spent fuel rods which could keep down there 20,000 year life span in being a dangerous waste. I believe the agenda of any President is to make us as energy efficient as possible and by using as many resources as possible to accomplish that task. Nuclear Power could be in that mix if built in safe areas.

      • Proud to be a Christian

        Eddie, I suggest that you and all of your tree hugging friends put yourselves where your mouth is, that is, get a horse and buggy, use oil lamps, wood burning stoves, fireplaces for heat, and perhaps hamsters running the wheel for electricity for your computer. We can’t drill for more oil because of the carabou, California has to do without water for the farms because of a fish “smelt”, and on and on and on. Don’t cry about the jobs going overseas and say the corporations are greedy. One goes in business to make money. Between the Unions and EPA and Government regulations, if I had a manufacturing company, I would leave also while the leaving is good. Add taxes to that equation. It would be nice to be able to start all over in the USA with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Throw out all of the laws and start over however, leaving most of the laws up to the individual states, at least if you didn’t like what your state was doing, you could move to where you did like it.

        • Joe H.

          Proud,
          Don’t forget that solar plant California wanted to build!!! The wanted to build the largest solar plant in the world in an area of desert, and the greenies came in, shut it down, all over a damn lizard and a tortoise!!!! Screw the humans, protect the lizards and tortoises!!!! Yeah, Buddy!!!!

      • Dennis48e

        “Power plants are being shut down to replace them with new ones.”

        Documentation eddie documentation. The only new coal fired plants I am aware of are being fought tooth and nail by those opposed to new power plants and I have read some are being canceled.

      • eddie47d

        You had a whole barge full of drivel there Christian. We are drilling all over this country. 3,000 wells a year open up in Colorado and that makes it about 20,000 on our front range. Colorado has strong environmental laws and abides by good sound EPA laws to get the job done. So we do put our selves were our mouths are! Not sure why you brought up horse and buggies or oil lamps unless to be a smartazz. Apparently you want to make or take the money and to heck with the damages that get left behind. Maybe it would be best if you did leave since like the rest of the corporations you have killed union jobs so you can grow your wallet.

        • Joe H.

          No, eddie, the union jobs were killed so the rest of the people that you union crumbs don’t care about can afford to live as well!!!

        • eddie47d

          You are a sinister troll Joe. The devil has a place for you and he’ll b waiting!

      • Bob C.

        I would just love to know how much you get paid

        our tax dollar’s at work

        where in the constitution does it give the federal government the power to do any of this?

      • Renderizer

        eddie47d = Obama brown-noser

      • Jibbs

        47d, you are over 50 years old and cost too much to maintain, why don’t you shut down and stop spouting you non-sence.

        • eddie47d

          Where’s the nonsense? Looks like alot more SENSE than you have produced!

    • Karolyn

      We can all have FREE ENERGY, but the corporatocracy will not allow it. Why are the scientists proposing this form of energy being killed or stifled? Watch “Thrive: the Movie”!

  • Tim

    Yes, it’s a good Idea to clean up the air, but do you realize how much cleaner it is then it was in the 60′s? We’ve been cleaning up the planet since then, and we’ve done a good job, but in this economy this is not the time for more regulations that will raise prices. We have people running our country who have never worked a job, or run a business in their lives. They don’t have a clue what it takes to succeed in business. My profits have been cut by over half, and you want to raise prices on everything? This isn’t the time. You don’t do crap like this during a recession, and you don’t do it all at once. When the economy comes back, then you do it.

  • http://liberyalearts john p.

    THE EPA HAS WAY TO MUCH POWER . WHEN THEY COULD MAKE A COMPANY
    GO OUT OF BUSINESS . THIS IS WHAT THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO DO IF THEY
    CAN BREAK THE COUNTRY .THEN TURN THE COUNTRY OVER TO THE UNITED NATIONS.
    FOR A SHORT TIME THIS WAY THEY GET RID OF THE CONSTITUTION. THEN WE
    WON’T BE CALLED THE UNITED STATES BUT WE WILL BE CALLED THE STATES
    INSTEAD. REMEMBER THEY THEY WANT US TO BE A SOCIALIST COUNTRY .THE
    DEMOCRATS WANT TO BE DICTATORS .WHERE YOU DON’T HAVE SAY IN ANYTHING
    THEY DO LIKE OBAMA CARE .

    • eddie47d

      How asinine to say that we will be turned over to the United Nations. Who spiked your kool aid? Do Conservatives have any rational thinking left in their playbook or do you delegate by fear of change? Sure the Constitution is being challenged yet more people are being included in the American process. Some of you are trying to take away those newly found inclusions which allows more folks to vote and having equal rights. We could say you are the ones who want to install a Dictator so you can force some people out of the American dream. That may not be true but that is the way you speak down on those who want the same benefits that you enjoy. Either we all come together or our country will fall apart and not because of any United Nations.

      • JUKEBOX

        Eddie, I thought we (NOT ME) already had installed a dictator who circumvents Congress by EXECUTIVE FIAT.

      • Renderizer

        eddie47d, doesn’t it ever ever bother you to be such a drudge for Obummer?

      • Joe H.

        Yeah, eddie inclusions, like all those illegals that Abummer is depending on!!! the ones that TAKE, TAKE, TAKE, and give NOTHING back!!! you know, like the ones that are BANKRUPTING CALIFORNIA????

      • eddie47d

        Just like I thought not a lick of sense amongth any of you. That’s why no one can take your seriously. Put the fangs back in and say something important! Can that be done? Anyone?!!??

    • aurelio nunez

      THANK YOU. IAGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT. BUT I DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE TO WAKE UP THIS COUNTRY. WE ARE SLOWLY LOSING OUR FREEDOM TO THE POINT THAT THE GOV’T WILL HAVE FULL
      CONTROL AND WE WILL NOT EVEN OWN OUR HOMES, BECAUSE THE GOV’T WILL A NOOSE AROUND OUR NECKS. THANKS FOR THE COMMENT

  • vicki

    Obama is just keeping one of his campaign promises. He promised that the cost of electricity would necessarily skyrocket.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

    Gotta give him credit for keeping campaign promises.

    • Joe H.

      vicki,
      Yup, Just like the price of gas the last three days. Went up 31 cents here overnight, dropped two cents and then right back up!!! 3.29 a gallon!!!

      • libertytrain

        Joe, here in Western NC it went from 3.08 on Sunday to 3.19 yesterday. Don’t know what it is today…

    • eddie47d

      Take a hike Joe it’s $2.97 here. You’re nothing but a blowhard!

  • dennis maser

    The EPA as with most Governmental 3 letter agencies are power hungry and until the citzens say no more they will control more and more. As I write I am at my home in CR the water has no chlorine it in and if it did they would use UV light and NO CHLORINE. The EPA will not BANN THE USE OF CHLORINE IN THE USA. The EPA knows chlorine DOES CAUSE CANCER. In my water system in the states I am FORCED TO USE CHLORINE and will not let me use UV as the sole disinfectant. They refuse to listen to COMMON SENSE AND SOME ONE ELSE EXPERTIST.

  • simon

    EPA…….. maybe they will attack the FDA re. mercury in our fillings, and vacinations
    maybe attack the federal government for billowing chem trails across our sky’s daily
    maybe attack Monosanto for pouring round up on fields and crops daily

    and the list goes on.
    We need to start taking stock and begin the quiet revoltion and expose this by posting on our websites, twitter, face bk etc

    • eddie47d

      The whole point of replacing these aging power plants is to take the mercury out of the pollutions they emit. That should be a plus in getting rid of mercury in tooth fillings and even in those new light bulbs. It’s the same battle but being fought on different fronts. I’ve signed at least 30 petitions in getting GMO’s (Monsanto) labeled so we know what we are buying and where it is coming from. That is great that you are pressuring Monsanto in not using roundup so much but remember they are one of America’s biggest private corporations. They wag the EPA’s tail too. These private corporations need to be exposed as much as government over reach. Each are a curse and each benefit us so we have to separate the chaff from the wheat in our “attacks”.

      • Moosedrool

        That is right. Tell those bturds to take the mercury they spew into the air we breath so that they can put it into those stupid squiggly light bulbs that they are forcing us to put into our homes. Then every time we turn on our lights, they off gas toxic chemicals into our home, and God help us if one of those toxic waste bulbs breaks in our home.
        eddie47d, you must have been drinking too much chlorinated/fluoridated water while brushing your teeth with that rat poison laced toothpaste. Yeah, fluoride was originally used as rat poison, yum.

        • JUKEBOX

          Flouride is a waste product of the Aluminum industry, which, when consumed in the human body, promotes the absorption of aluminum in the brain, causing Altheimer’s Disease.

          • harvey steele

            and the government protects the poisoning of citizens thru dentistry.
            got silver/mercury fillings? also drugging our children with ritalin, etc., to create the future sheep.
            adios,
            harv
            lancaster, taxifornia
            push 1 for english ONLY in the USA

      • eddie47d

        Moosedrool; I’m aware of what the problems are out there that is why I mentioned the light bulbs so did you have fun trying to poke that in my eye with your snippy remark. Arsenic is also used in chicken feed which I’m sure you are aware of with your holier than Thou attitude. Maybe you brush your teeth with a corn cob or is that used on the other end!

  • Flashy

    SC….there three “small” (ahem) pieces of legislation existing since the early 70′s. NEPA, The Clean Water Act, and the Clean Air Act. These carry mandates. BAT (Best Available Technology) standards and emissions. The article is slightly misleading in that it implies these are new guidelines. They aren’t. The requirement to use BAT has always been in effect. When a plant is upgraded, BAT applies. Period. Not the usual and cusomary technology, but the Best Available Technology. Thus with every modernization or replacement of parts, the plants are forced to upgrade bringing the next lower tier into play.

    Then came some changes in the late 90′s to the CWA and CAA. Covering more emissions and instructing the EPA for newer standards on previously uncovered toxins. before these rules were decided upon, Bush II/Cheney came in and placed a moritorium on the rulemaking procedures. They also politicized the agency to a large degree and industry waivers were granted willy nilly.

    What happened to the EPA occurred in FEMA, the SEC, the intel agencies etc. They were politicized and handed to industry to play with. And we received in return the Katrina reponse, the Wall Street crash, and now the massive amount fo delays in getting our air and water clean.

  • harvey steele

    another mandate from the bureaus that usurp (sic) our constitutional rights by passing regulations as laws and our congress stands by and does NOTHING.
    and thankyou thankyou congress for the 100 watt bulb again. and stay out of our lives, our states and concentrate on your 10 mile square district.

    there once were states and NO federal government. the states invented the federal system. and it was not to rule over the states, tax individual citizens paychecks(thanks woody), over turn our state laws and elections by the annointed supremes or their lesser minions.
    and
    where is the EPA army to enforce the law. the governors of the states should send our militia to the electricity plants and keep the federal government out. they HAVE no constitutional authority to regulate, legislate, or pass judgement, or sue the states.
    if i were the governor of Taxifornia, I would put a Property tax on every federal piece of land or building that is not a constitutional requirement in the document. this is where political parties have led us.

    • Flashy

      Jeesh Harvey, these mandates have been in effect since the early 70′s. They are nothing new.

      Do you really honest to gawd think these plants are being closed simply because it’s too costly to retool for stricter standards…or simply because they are aging and it will be too expensive to retool and modernize altogether?

  • http://Boblivingston Gottaplenty

    Lets just act as tho we never heard of the EPA and go right strait to the CoMMUNIST MANIFESTO by Karl Marx. The bible as Obummer sees it. It goes extensivly into how the govt.can easily be transformed, and the constituton wiped out by using the enviorment and protecting the life and health of the people as the most important thing in our lives.With this and a something for nothing lifestyle we are easily overwhelmed by a progressive minded population…

    • eddie47d

      I hate to inform you Gottaplenty but Life and Health is the most important thing to a normal person. You can’t live without life for starters and without health it’s all down hill from there. That goes for Capitalists and Communists alike but thanks for the chuckle.

      • Joe H.

        Remember that post eddie, when they come to put you in the city and make it illegal to live in the country side!!! Remember it when they confiscate all your rights and tell you to squat and like it. ‘course, you being the scrawny wimp you are, you would squat and release BEFORE they tell you to!!! When it starts, eddie, I pray you are one of the first for wishing it on all the others!!!

      • eddie47d

        Wise up or shut up Joe the TROLL!

  • hitthedeck

    Lisa Jackson is a self admitted socialist who is a hatchet woman for the forced green policy on the American people. Kill American domestic energy without fair time allotted policies put in place to give America businesses sufficient time to upgrade pollutant safeguards. This EPA policy will terminate tens of thousands of American jobs. This is the same method used in Obama care to force the American to fall in line of government control.

    • eddie47d

      This day has been coming for 50 years. How much longer does business need to straighten out it’s act? How about businesses just doing the right thing for the good of the USA or is that too much to ask!

      • Joe H.

        eddie, how about you kissing all of our dark sides!!!

      • eddie47d

        You all have dark minds so which end shall it be?

  • Gary Ousley

    From the DOE’s website, 5500 tons of mercury are emitted into our environment (air,water,soil) each year from both industrial and natural sources world-wide. Less than 1% of that comes from our coal-fired power plants, i.e., less than 5.5 tons). The question becomes, at what price will we pay to be concerned about it? 11 billion just to upgrade or convert, while millions are starving, threatening to riot in the streets (Wall-Streets), while at the same time threatening our electrical-grid reliability (see the same DOE website, prior to it being censored). A sane, rational strategy would be to phase in these rules over several years, allowing our technology to economically replace coal-fired power. We are heading for blackouts/brownouts, so get your candles ready.

  • http://Boblivingston Gottaplenty

    Eddy , somewhere along there some place , you assume you have it all figured out. Obummer fell off the same turnip truck you did, to be able to know so much about every thing and big buisness like you might know something about such. Capitalists cannot be communist. That is where you’r all screwed up..

    • eddie47d

      Never said that so please learn to read.

  • George E

    I’ve done a little research on this issue and would like to share with you what I found out.

    Congress passed a law in 1990 that gave the EPA the authority they needed to regulate toxic air pollution, including mercury, in power plant smokestacks. The administration was under court order to implement a new rule, after the court threw out an attempt by the Bush administration to exempt power plants from toxic air pollution controls.

    Many power plants have upgraded their operations to control airborne toxins, however there remains about 600 coal and oil fired power plants across the nation that still have not installed these pollution controls. Although coal fired power generated electricity is usually the lowest cost process, many of these plants are having economic problems competing with natural gas fired plants since the cost of natural gas has dropped drastically with the development of new technologies freeing up huge amounts of gas contained in domestic shale formations across the nation. Most of the non-compliant coal fired power plants are in excess of 50 years old, and would likely be replaced for economic reasons alone in the next few years. The EPA is giving these plants 3 years to upgrade their pollution controls or shut down. However, the EPA has intimated that they might extend this time limit to a 4th year or possibility even longer if judged appropriate, on a case-by-case basis. President Obama reportedly instructed the EPA to implement this new rule in a cost-effective manner that ensures electricity reliability (reducing the risk of grid disruption).

    Mercury can be toxic to humans and most animals. Once consumed, it may be passed through the digestive system or absorbed in the body. Elemental mercury (which is the silver liquid found in light bulbs and thermometers) is less toxic because it isn’t readily absorbed by the body. Methyl-mercury is the most toxic form, and is formed in nature by sulfur consuming bacteria in a methylation process by combining elemental mercury molecules with organic carbon containing molecules. This process occurs best in acidic waters with sufficient amounts of dissolved organic carbon containing materials. (One source of acidic sulfur compounds getting into water sources is from industrial plant smokestack emissions with sulfur dioxide that are washed out of the air by rain and create sulfur oxoacids.) While the atmosphere contributes toxic mercury to the environment it also has a process of removing it as well. This process of demethylation is naturally accomplished when UV sunlight breaks down the methyl-mercury compound into elemental mercury and organic carbon compounds.

    Mercury is a naturally occurring substance in the environment. Small amounts are naturally found in all rocks, sediments, water, and soils. Natural sources of atmospheric mercury include volcanoes, geologic deposits of mercury, and volatilization from the ocean. It’s difficult to know how much mercury is released into the atmosphere from natural sources, but the U.S. Geological Survey estimates that man-made contributions are somewhere between 13%-26% of the total airborne emissions in the US.

    People are exposed to toxic methyl-mercury almost entirely by eating large amounts of contaminated fish and wildlife which have eaten large amounts of smaller contaminated fish and plankton which have absorbed the methylation bacteria. The toxic effects on humans is not well understood. However, laboratory tests suggest developing embryos are affected 5-10 times more than developed adults. Methyl-mercury affects the immune system, alters genetic and enzyme systems, and damages the nervous system, including coordination and the senses of touch, taste, and sight.

    If U.S. power generation plants convert from coal to natural gas to reduce mercury emissions into U.S. airways, it is likely that U.S. airways will become cleaner. However, the U.S. coal that will not be burned in U.S. power plants will likely be sold to foreign buyers, including Chinese power companies who will likely burn it in their power plants and release the associated mercury emissions into their airways. Some of this mercury will find its way out of those countries and into other country’s airways, including that of the U.S., over time.

    To sum up, mercury is a toxic compound to humans. Most of the mercury found in the environment is the result of natural processes, but a significant amount is contributed by man-made processes. People are much more likely to be harmed by eating contaminated fish over a long period of time than breathing airborne mercury in small amounts once in a while. However, ingesting mercury in any amount is undesirable. By implementing this new EPA rule, the Obama administration is simply complying with a court order, even if the administration agrees with and welcomes the order. On the other hand, it is likely that power companies would have, on their own, converted their coal fired plants to natural gas over the next few years anyway due to economic reasons.

    My sources: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/22/epa-tells-coal-oil-fired-plants-to-clean-up-air-shut-down/, http://www.usgs.gov/themes/factsheet/146-00/, http://www.usgs.gov/mercury/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_oxoacid.

  • Liberty or Death

    The EPA was designed to do one thing. This one thing is what all fed-gov alphabet agencies are created to do. That is to bypass the states sovereignty, states rights, and do the political will of whoever holds the presidential office, regardless of the constitution and the wishes of each state and congress. They are specifically designed to circumvent congress and the states sovereignty.

    • Flashy

      Liberty…let me ask a question. how can you stop pollutants from crossing state lines? When you have that answer, then we can talk about state regulation of pollutants.

      For instance, acid rain. Some plant in ohio tosses up the smoke out of the chimney. it’s carried over state lines and drops acid rain in Vermont killing the sugar maples and vast stretches of forest.

      Now go ahead…you tell me how Vermont is going to stop a plant in ohio from tossing out those pollutants….

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