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End Of The World? Only The Father Knows

May 20, 2011 by  

End Of The World? Only The Father Knows

This will be the last Freedom Watch I will write. The world as we know it ends tomorrow, according to Harold Camping, who said his calculations come from his reading of the Bible and comparing numerological calculations to historical events like the founding of Israel in 1948.

Camping has been broadcasting on his Family Radio Worldwide independent ministry that the Rapture — the time when Christians both dead and alive will be taken into heaven and a period of tribulation will begin on Earth — will definitely occur Saturday.

“Beyond the shadow of a doubt, May 21 will be the date of the Rapture and the day of judgment,” he said in January.

A lot of people believe it. There are news reports of unrest and gatherings in countries around the world as Camping’s followers prepare. One of his followers, Chris McCann, told Fox News he plans to spend Saturday with his family, reading the Bible and praying. McCann works with eBible Fellowship, which met for the last time on Monday.

“We had a final lunch and everyone said goodbye,” McCann said. “We don’t actually know who’s saved and who isn’t, but we won’t gather as a fellowship again.”

Likewise, I won’t be writing another Freedom Watch, unless…

Jesus is quoted in Matthew 24:36: “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.”

I’m not certain what calculations Camping used to come up with his date, but it takes a great deal of hubris for someone to think he knows more about God’s schedule than the Son of God. I, personally, wouldn’t deign to say Christ is coming tomorrow — or that He isn’t. Or that He is coming the next day or in 1,000 years.

But I do think it’s great that McCann will spend the day with family reading the Bible and praying. That’s something we should all do every day. After all, we are guaranteed only the time we are in. A heart attack, a lightning strike, a meteor, a bus, a crazed gunman and a host of other possibilities exist that could take us out in an instant.

And that’s why we should heed Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 24:44: “Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”

So this will be the last Freedom Watch I will write, or it won’t. But since we can’t be sure if the world will end tomorrow, we are going to go ahead and have Monday’s Personal Liberty Alerts™ put together this afternoon, as we normally would, so you can get it first thing Monday… if you’re still here.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Richard

    I am ready to get on the raprure plane that takes me to that free dinner. I wonder if it’s all you can eat, would being a glutton be bad? (I saw a movie called Horizons where the alens raptured people to eat their brains) Just kidding..
    If you study the resurrection of the Just and unjust (only 2 talked about in the bible) that Christ talked about, you no longer have room for the raprure because the resurrection is what’s seen on the verses, not a “rapture”. Besides the rapture has the error of dispensation. There is only saved and un saved, not an almost saved antichrist group. If you don’t profess Christ, you are anti-christ! So, most of the world is antichrist..
    Spirit of error is not from God.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Richard, when you go can I have your car?

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Leave it to you moron to try to make a joke, not a good one either. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • R. Smullen

          I thought it was funny too.

          • http://naver samurai

            No semse of humor. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • cvw

        That’s actually pretty funny and I think in this circumstance is the correct reaction to this. This same guy predicted this 20 years ago. I guess if he keeps trying one day he will get it or at least close. Meanwhile for the rest of us it needs to be a lesson to simply be ready for your life to end without a moments notice.

      • JimH

        Hey Robbie, When the meek inherit the Earth, I get your house.

        • Mike in MI

          JimH ????? – ????What? And give up your Mansion Jesus Christ said he’s prepared? Well, OK, but just be aware you might have to answer for whatever he’s grows in there or has spontaneously generated from all the fertilizer he exudes.

          • JimH

            Mike, The real joke is that statement is my being boastful about my meekness.

      • diana

        massive laugh!!!! ….

        • http://naver samurai

          Another one with no humor. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            Hey Samurai,
            Its after 6 and we are still here. HHALLELUJAH.

          • http://naver samurai

            You’re right Jana. I don’t believe anything will happen until God wills it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • ever says hal la lulu

      14 hours to go …… be darn if another miscalculation happened ..

      where’s the flying saucers to take us away ???

      sure, i would like my photo taken before that big sign board of the ‘coming’ or eh ‘raptured’, paint me a halo

      • cvw

        Well now a savvy investor would put some big bux into aluminum foil futures for the day. Just think of the profits with so many making hats.

    • Jana

      Richard,
      Amen.

    • http://www.jeffreyallendavis.tk Jeff Davis

      Amen, Richard.

    • http://naver samurai

      Amen to that! Amen to that! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • John Terry

      Jesus made it quite clear when he said, “Concerning that day and hour, no one knows, neither the angels of heaven or the son, but only the father.”

      Truth is, there is no actual date. Only the Father of Jesus shall make this determination. When he decides, that is when. Just like Jesus said. Only his father knows because only his father can make that decision.

  • Charles

    I will still confess my faith in Jesus on Sunday the 22nd; as well on the 23rd, the 24th,… and through out eternity!!!

    • Jana

      Charles,
      Exactly! We live every day the same. No one is promised a tomorrow anyway, so we need to be ready at any given moment, but the rapture? Tomorrow? No way.

      • http://naver samurai

        Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Mike in MI

      YEA, Charles – That’s one of THE MOST reasonable things I’ve seen on this board out of everything that’s been written, so far.

      In Mark 13:32-33 Jesus Christ said concerning that day or that hour not anyone knows, not even (absolute negation) the son (o’ uio’s – and he was the only one classifiable as THE SON). Then he said, “… for ye know not (absolute “not”) when the time (kairo’s) is.” He told this just before his trials and crucifixion were to begin. “Kairo’s” is a certain, determined period like a harvest or the historic setting in “time” (Passover) for finishing Christ’s ministry to Israel, exclusively.
      In studying the prophecies for these events one must be careful about words regarding timing, eg. when, then, after, before, while, immedately, etc.

      Then, in Acts 1:7 ten days before Pentecost, he told them again. They had asked if he were going to restore the kingdom to Israel when they were to recieve spiritual power. Again he told them it was not theirs to know a marked duration (xronos) or set time (kairos) which the Father placed in His own authority. He had just finished being with them and teaching things concerning the kingdom of God for forty days. He must not have taught it then. So, God was holding that info pretty close to His chest.
      Further, when he revealed to Apostle Paul the things regarding the Mystery of God He kept that back or told him not to write it. Why make it known? Everybody would know and only get all “holy, holy, holy” the week before his arrival is known to be set. God ain’t stupid.

      Consequently, anybody who tries to tell you he knows when it is to happen is violating I Peter 1:20-21…”privately interpreting” The Word. That’s a STUPID thing to do because it’s the first thing we’re to know we must not do. At some point you must add to it, subtract from it or make up your own version of it. There can be various
      paraphrases in languages other than the manuscripts (has to be – language changes). But to depart from the Father’s intent and usage is blasphemy. It is diffiult to get too far away from Truth without it becoming evident. Apostle Paul, in I Timothy 1:3, told Timothy to command some not to teach any other doctrine. How do you know if you’ve got “any other doctrine”?

      God stops responding.

      • Sam

        AMEN! No one knoweth the day or the hour!

  • http://Personalliberty Tony

    To everyone:
    Right on!! This is totally nuts. It says in Revelations to beware of false prophets in the end days. Thanks!! Also, keep the faith!!

  • http://www.livinginthetwohearts.wordpress.com Anne Elizabeth

    Awh, the Rapture Trap! The wonderful idea that no good Christian would be held accountable for the sins of mankind. I wonder, when May 21st comes and goes and the 22nd arrives on it’s heels, will these folks turn to Mr Camping and ask him, “Did you just get the date wrong?” Or, hope beyond hope, they’ll wake up to reality and listen again to the words of our Savior, “Then if any says to you, ‘Lo, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and FALSE PROPHETS will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Lo, I have told you before hand.” ~Mt 24:23-25

    • Al

      On the 22nd we will be asking Mr.Camping if he was not enough of a believer to be called up into the kingdom of God. Did God forget to call him up and why he is still here.

      • April

        Al
        The last thing Mr. Camping will need is teasing and to be ridiculed for when he wakes up on the 22nd, 23rd, etc. he will be humiliated enough. I know he set himself up, but I hope and pray that he will be encouraged to study deeper and that his eyes will be opened to the truth; that he will realize the difference between the trumps and the seals. The trumps are in chronological order; the seals are not. The 6th trump must come before the 7th.
        Anti(instead of)-Christ comes in the 6th trump. The True Christ returns at the 7th.

        • RM

          I’m not worried about Harold Camping because he is totally deceived. I am concerned about the people who surround him who know this guy is way off and they wont get him out of there. I actually spoke to their office and actually talked to Harold Camping. He is rather arrogant and adamant about his way and honestly, he may not ever get it but the people around him are slow to move. It’s too bad because the radio station played nice hymns and the teachings were mostly correct until he started adding his false prophecies. With that being said, there will be many false teachers rising soon…beware..

  • http://burkecomputers.blogspot.com/ DanB

    I wonder how many will lose their faith over this. Then there will be others that say there is no Christ because there is no “rapture.” It seems to me that even in the spiritual realm, history is repeating itself so I expect things to get a lot worse for the believers. May I count myself a believer until the end, for if the Bible is any hint about these “last days” then things are going to get a lot rougher still.

    • Felix

      People who will lose their faith over someone’s words are not believers in G-d, they have their Prophets who are more important than G-d Himself, I can only pity them, for they are in Hell every day…

      • Jana

        Felix,
        You can spell out the name of GOD. Also, I agree with your post.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          Out of respect for God and not to take his name in vain accidently, there are people that will write God as G-d.

          • Jana

            Nadzieja,
            I kinda thought that was why he was not spelling GOD’S name out, but we show true respect by loving HIM and honoring HIM and not being afraid of saying HIS name. We know if we are showing disrespect to GOD or not, and so does GOD.
            Have a nice day sweetie.

  • Carlucci

    These “predictions” have been going on for centuries. Tomorrow will come and go, and the world will keep turning.

    • jeanelane

      You are right, Carucci.

      I, personally, don’t believe that ‘the end’ or the Rapture or whatever word someone want to use, will occur on any date that a person says. God will definitely do whatever on the date he chooses. It will have no correlation to a date that man chooses.

      It does not matter if the Rapture occurs 05/21/2011 or 12/21/2011 or any other day. What matters is if you are ready to meet your Maker face-to-face when it is your time. As the article says, a car accident, a crazed gunman, anything can cause this moment to be your last.

      • Carlucci

        Amen, jeanelane. You hit the nail on the head. God bless you.

      • Mike in MI

        Good one, jeanelane (and Mr. Livingston) -
        Criminently, just think! Obama might even get re-elected – and America re-infected – again next year.
        BET THAT’LL SHORTEN THE DAYS?

  • SS McDonald

    Bible scholars and those who faithfully study their Bibles realize that pre-tribulation Rapture is false doctrine (invented in 1830). Those who faithfully study their Bible will and do know the signs of the end of this age of mankind….and the end is near. Bible study does not mean studying some man’s opinion written in some book that “explains” the Bible. Bible study does not include listening to some sermon and believing that as the only truth. Bible study means grinding out the truth for yourself. God recognizes those who truly seek Him in Bible Study and thus makes the study easier as one progresses. It cannot be any more simple than this.

    • Mike in MI

      Sail on there S. S. McDonald; bonie voyagee what e’er your heading -

      So, “grinding it out” in personal Bible study yourself is all a “real believer” needs, eh-h-h? I guess God didn’t think all that out too good, did He? He didn’t have Matthew, Mark, Luke and John written out before Christ started his ministry; so they could study before he came. Then they could have verified him or disputed him on the basis of their own grinding. Most of them couldn’t even read – but that’s irrelevant I suppose. Guess it was silly of God to want them to believe on the basis of Jesus’ sermons and effects he produced.
      Then there were those troublesome original 12 disciples/apostles and the other apostles of Christ Jesus’ personal calling – guys like Paul, Luke, Barnabas, Silas and others. (Well, that word is associated in the Acts text with their ministries.) Hey, I didn’t have the Book written. Check it out. It’s verified in Interlinears, Lexicons, Concordances, good versions and faithful commentaries (not all, but those that don’t have an ax to “grind”).
      It helps a whole lot to hear “a sermon” (a teacher) from someone who points one in the direction of such materials.
      Oh yes, and what about all those people exposed to those 12 disciple/apostle guys and that other one (the one who said a whole “DISPENSATION” was committed unto him…um-m-m, Paul???)? They went out and “TAUGHT”, heralded the Word, did sermons, held meetings (of both daily planned and also spontaneous occurences [Acts 2,3 and 4]). They spoke the Word to anything that moved if they could get its attention.
      Paul went to a place called Thessalonica and Berea and taught. Those folks believed big and responded. Then Paul was sent to Athens and wrote the first of his letters back to Thessalonica. That was the first letter of the “Age (Dispensation) of the Grace of God” to explain Doctrine. What was one of the main themes? Christ’s return. Did they respond to the truth because they had written scripture to study? NO-O-O, NO-O-O, NOT. His verbal attestation started it and they went to the written Old Testament passages they had available to verify his dialogue.
      So, how did it start for them? Sermons, what Paul and the others taught and proved: 1.) From Paul’s new (and verifiable) information; and 2.) from the signs and workings of spiritual power written about in I and II Thessalonians. Please read and THINK about I Thessalonians 2:13 in the context of those days and the depth of importance attached to WORDS,…especially if someone purported to be a spokesman for God. They didn’t have New Testament “Gospels” and “Epistles” to refer to. Yet, they are offered to us as templates to conform to as “believers”. Simple people, scientific explanations were not required to believe the Truth that was SPOKEN. They wanted to hear something that fit in the frame of their minds, of their lives and then see something to prove whether or not God was faithful to HIS WORD. Evidently, they were not disappointed. Had they not been favorably impressed, the name of Jesus and Paul would be buried in the rubble of Rome. And, you would have no Book to read. It’s all still available today – when you find someone TEACHING the right stuff. (If it isn’t, my wife and I are dead as Nero.)
      So, what harbour for the S.S. McDonald tonite?

  • Richard

    That’s what’s sad, people loosing their faith because of false prophets and then feeling stupid / cheated and hating real believers.
    The word says in the last days many having itching ears heap to themselves prophets that tell them what they want to hear. Unfortunately the deceivers are themselves deceived.
    There is an important spiritual principle in Eze 14.. When people don’t have a sincere heart torward God and have stumbling blocks (or idols) in their hearts; God will answer them thru their prophet according to the multitude of stumbling blocks they have, in other words, he will let them hear what they want.

  • Mike Friend

    Harold Camping is a false teacher even apart from this zany prediction. He attempts to say that when Jesus stated that even the Son did not know the day or the hour of His return that the word son does not refer to Jesus.
    He also teaches that Jesus died twice and that one cannot know whether or not one is saved.
    Notice in his ads regarding May 21 he urges “Call urgently on God” but he does not present the gospel as to how one can be saved.
    I pity his followers who are in for a profound set of choices and decisions come Sunday May 22. We must hope that they will have the sense to leave this false prophet and rebuild their lives on the true Word of God.
    Also timeserver.com would make clear to anyone that the day and hour of this event couild not be stated because around this world of ours it is always two days going on and periodically three days.
    So just check the Australian news tonight and you’ll know the forecast for the USA tomorrow.

    • Mike in MI

      Good, Mike

  • Carole

    Will someone please tell me where in the Bible it says that Christians will be ‘raptured’. The Thessalonians verse that everyone points to tells you where the dead are, not that anyone is going to fly out of their cars, and all of the other ridiculous images we see of this so-called event. Besides that as long as there are ‘wars and rumors of wars’ the end is not yet!

    Camping totally ignores the prophecies in Daniel. Plus he says that it will begin at 6 PM (wherever in the world that 6 PM on May 21st hits first). Excuse me, when Christ’s feet hit the Mount of Olives – time, as we know it, will stop and everyone, the Good, the Bad and the Ugly, the saved and the unsaved, will all be changed into spiritual bodies in the ‘twinkling of an eye’! Time is made for man, not man for time! I think I may even call him (Camping) on Sunday or Monday to find out what happened!

    There is so very much more, but I will just end it here.

    • Jana

      Carole,
      I so agree with you. I used to believe in the rapture theory. Oh how I wanted that to be true. It sounds like such a good idea too, in the flesh, however, GOD has called us to stand for HIM, not run nor hide nor fly away. That’s why in Eph.6, HE tells us to put on the whole armor of GOD. HE gives us the tools to stand, not to fly.
      When I ask someone who is going to be the teachers of the word when the Christians are supposed to rapatured up, I am told oh, the husbands and the wives of those who were raptured. When I hear that I cringe. We are to be about our FATHER’S business now and as well as when the Anti Christ comes on the scene.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        I agree. I personally believe that the good & the real followers will be given a choice to stand, fight and die for their Belief in God, or Live and cower under the reigns of evil.

        If you think about it as tension builds around the world, (and it is building) mix revolts with war, famine, natural disasters, degrading morals, deceptions, manipulations, and mistreatment spreads like fire…we are clearly on a road towards a climax. When..as stated..only God knows. :)

    • James

      Carole, The word ‘rapture’ isn’t in the Bible. Paul wrote: “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord” (1 Thes. 4:16-17).
      This return of Christ (Mt. 24:27-30) is stated to be “Immediately after the tribulation of those days.” That ‘tribulation’ being the final war (Armageddon). The biblical sequence is the tribulation (armageddon), Christ’s Return, then the ‘caught up’ occurs. Most believers in the ‘rapture’ have the ‘caught up’ occurring before the final war – not true.

      • April

        Carole, The word ‘rapture’ isn’t in the Bible. Paul wrote: “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord” (1 Thes. 4:16-17).
        This return of Christ (Mt. 24:27-30) is stated to be “Immediately after the tribulation of those days.” That ‘tribulation’ being the final war (Armageddon). The biblical sequence is the tribulation (armageddon), Christ’s Return, then the ‘caught up’ occurs. Most believers in the ‘rapture’ have the ‘caught up’ occurring before the final war – not true
        James
        I think that was Carole’s point in the first place that the word ‘rapture’ is not in the Bible. I think Jana also makes a good point about the subject.
        The subject is them which are asleep(koimaomai in the Greek tongue-referring too those who have died) in verse 13 of 1Thes 4. Paul says not to be ignorant concerning this subject; this is where most folks misinterperet b/c they start at verse 16 and therefore not clear what is being referred to.
        Verse 14 gives the condition, and reaoning,and position of those Jesus Christ will bring with HIM at HIS return. They believe Jesus Christ died and rose again before they died.
        Verse 15 gives the reason and position of us who remain; there is no way we can prevent(phthano in the Greek tongue)ie. to go before those who are already with our LORD.
        Verse 16 and 17 gives us the actual 7th trump event. Christ descends with a shout of command by the archangel, with the trumpet of God: and that sid hst already with HIM shall rise first (“anistemi” in the Greek tonge which means to stand up or

        • April

          sorry I accidently hit the enter button prematurely.

          (“anistemi” in the Greek tonge which means to stand up or

          to stand up of rise up to the occation as an army is raised to do battle.) This trump has a primary preposition denoting a fixed and specific time place and position (ensalpinx) of the action (a great vibration/disturbance of what the anti-Christ has built-the beast system utilizing the 4 hidden dynasties) this trumpet executes.
          Verse 17- Then we who remain shall be caughtup (karpazo in Greek tongue ie.catch up with or to join them. We are not gonna fly away)In the clouds is a figure of speech as is in Hebrews 12.1 a cloud of witnesses, to meet the Lord in to air “aero” ie. spirit(not sky).

        • James

          April, I understood Carole’s question as to mean: Is the idea of a rapture in the Bible? and it is. It just uses the words ‘caught up.’

          • April

            James I challenge you to check me out. The word “caughtup” is (karpazo in Greek tongue ie.catch up with or to join them). We are not gonna fly away-Christ is returning to the Mt of Olives.
            In the clouds is a figure of speech as is in Hebrews 12.1 a cloud of witnesses, to meet the Lord in to air “aero” ie. spirit or breath of life(not sky).
            If you don’t have the tools to go deeper and study for yourself I encourage you to do so. Start off with a Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance, Bullinger’s Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, a set of Green’s Interlinear, Smith’s Bible Dictionary, Holmes Bible Dictionary, Hebrew and Greek Lexicon’s for cross references so that you can get the thought paterns of the Massaretic and Septuagint and those time periods. There are more, but these are good to start with. When you study, pray to the Father that the Holy Spirit teach you how to rightly divide and show you Truth. Believe no individual without checking them out.
            Best Wishes to ya.

  • http://eternalvaluesministries.com Chalpain Peter

    I do not see a pre-trib rapture. It is read into the text.The culprit is false dispensational theology.It is separating Israel from the church which is one olive tree. Rom.11;Eph 3:6. Also the dead in Christ must rise first. This happens only at the 2nd advent. What will happen when the rapture does not take place. 1Tim.2:15-18. You are left behind. This is where true Christians belong!

    • Mike in MI

      CHALpain Peter – what, dear God, is a CHAL-pain?

      What in blazes are you referring to? There is no I Timothy 2:15-18.
      There is II Timothy 2:15-18 whch in my humble estimation applies marveously to your scrambled scrumblings. None of what you say appears to be cogent to anything or elucidate anything coherent.
      If you are referring to the word “rapture” I think it is a good word to get rid of – nothing resembles it in the manuscripts. Therefore, it causes confusion – which is not Godly. All kinds of these stupid “traditions” have been associated with the beautiful, logical coherent ideas that reside in what God had those guys write.
      It ain’t hard. We need to get it through our hard heads: He wants us to know Him (Ephesians 1:17, “knowledge of [or about] him”). Why else would He have had such a big book written? If He wanted us stupid and ignorant He would have had anything transmitted? Why closely protect, maintain and convey something if you want to be obscure and totallly inscrutable?
      He wants us to “believe” His Words. So, isual and tactile are not ways H makes Himself presently available – except on the printed page.

      • James

        Mike, Concerning your ‘rapture’ comment, see my above reply to Carole.

        • Mike in MI

          James -
          Thanks, “Rapture” is a dumb word. It has no sort of corollary which applies a similar meaning and makes it seem (to me anyway) like an off into the blue yonder “Timothy Leary-cube-sucking-bum-tripper’s-mind-crap” thing.
          I only know that God makes certain inalienable and irrevocable promises to people during this “Age of the Grace of God” in which we live. The Promises, some of them, are unlike those in other periods of Father’s dealings with mankind. God deals in legal covenants and agreements on the basis of set policies and regulations which obviously change from time to time according to His Plans. It does not seem to me that those (believers) who are alive during the “Tribulation”, “Wrath” and (so called) “Armageddon Period” enjoy the same rights and privileges we have until such time as the Church which is Christ’s Body is removed “out of the midst”. It seems from the manuscripts that we have power to nullify the rise of the devil spirit powers as long as “Christ in You, the hope of Glory” is available and extant on the earth.
          For that reason, if for none other, the believers in the covenant established on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2 (still in effect today) can not be left on earth during the “Tribulation, Wrath of God, Time of Anti-Christ ” or what have you. Romans says we, Christians covered by the promises Paul was instructed to record, are saved from the wrath to come. If you want to endure that, by all means be my guest, stand and endure.
          But, if your bloodlines are not Hebrew (back to Abraham) you will be cited as an imposter and you won’t get sealed. (On the otherhand, God may pull you out just because of what He has invested in you – whether you are using it or not.)

          • James

            Mike in Mi, Matthew 24:27-30 reads: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the son be darkened, and the moon shall give her light” [that's the aftermath of Armageddon a nuclear holocaust] “then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven…and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds [vehicles] of heaven with power and great glory” [that's Christ's Return]. At His Return, is when the ‘caught up’ occurs, thus this rescuing of survivors is after Armageddon.

  • Lisa

    False Prophets, are many to come and go. But the question will be “What If?” and are you ready. Everyone questions that day and if they are ready. On suggestion I have is to pray for yourself, family, and friends that they are ready. Laslty Pray that you have gotten yourself ready. When God put her here he gave us husbands/wives, children, parents, friends, and an instruction manual to follow. From there it was about “CHOICE” so therefore the choice was to serve only One God and hopefully it was the right choice. God Bless!

  • http://Trumped-Up ed

    Padre Pio a Saint in the Catholic Church (canonized in 1962) who was responsible for 100′s of miracles and bled the wounds of Jesus in his hands, stated that Jesus appeared to him and mentioned the “The Three Days of Darkness” that will happen just before his returning to earth. Harold Camping should read the site at:

    http://www.tldm.org/news/darkness-11-13-98.htm

  • Carole

    Regardless of who you are, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, the worst of the worst or the best of the best, etc., etc., etc., no one has yet been judged, not even Mother Theresa. The only entity to this point who has been judged is Satan himself.

    To be absent from the flesh is to be present with the Lord for everyone! There is absolutely no one languishing in a grave anywhere -no one ever dies except as a result of the great White Throne Judgment (the second death), which has not happened YET!

    • Jana

      Carole,
      Amen and Amen, and PRAISE THE LORD!

      • http://naver samurai

        I second the Amen! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Maranatha_Mark

    Actually, SS McDonald, I have been studying Eschatology for the last 7 years, and study with folks who have the PhD in Theology, and a Pre-tribulation rapture is pretty evident, and it wasn’t invented in 1830, but rather Paul taught on it, himself. The author of the article correctly pointed out… no one knows the day or the hour of the Rapture, unlike the 2nd coming which we do know the day. When the Anti-Christ signs the 7 year peace treaty with Y’israel, 2,520 days to the day after they sign that treaty, according to scripture, Yeshua Hammashiach comes back to Earth and defeats the armies of the Anti-Christ and saves the remnant of Y’israel.

    As for the “Rapture Trap” and “The wonderful idea that no good Christian would be held accountable for the sins of mankind.” that Anne Elizabeth commented on demonstrates she has no understanding of the Gospels (teachings found in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in the New Testament of the Bible), for the ‘Good News’ folks speak of, is the fact that Yeshua Hammashiach came to earth to die for ‘ALL of Mankind’s Sins’, not some or past, but all sins – past, present and even future sins. When a follower of Yeshua Hammashiach confess with sincerity, their belief in Yeshua Hammashiach, as being the only begotten Son of YHWH, who came to earth to teach and then die for our sins, and we repent of our past sins, according to the scriptures, we are saved; we are a new creation and the righteousness of YHWH, we are no longer under the penalty of sin/The Law. But that doesn’t give the Beliver the green light to sin as much as they please, for when a believe sins, we break fellowship with the Father. And because we truly love the Holy Trinity, and we know that sin displeases Him, we strive not to sin, but when we do sin, we repent as soon as we can to restore fellowship with our heavenly Father. This is a very brief summary of what it is to be a follower of Yeshua Hammashiach. Brother Camping, is an old man, I can understand wanting to go up in a rapture as opposed to dying, and while I wish it was true, that the rapture was coming 5/22/2011 at 6 p.m., the truth is, I doubt it will happen. I can no more say it won’t happen though at that time, than Brother Camping should predict that it will happen then. The rapture could happen before you finish reading this, or as the author of this article pointed out, several years from now… I don’t know when it will come, only that it WILL come.

    Blessings and Shalom to all!

    Maranatha! Mark

    • Rebecca

      Mark,

      You have given the best explanation yet. Having been through several studies of the books of Revelation, Isaiah and Daniel, my understanding of the rapture/tribulation/1000 year reign/Armageddon/Judgment Seat of Christ and Great White Throne Judgment is right down the line with your thinking.
      Some of the things we have seen this week do point to prophecy rapidly being fulfilled like Obama’s stand with Egypt and Palestine against Israel. Also, we haven’t yet seen the temple rebuilt in Jerusalem. I don’t believe that is an analogy of Christ’s resurrection as some do. I believe it is the literal rebuilding of the temple. What are your thoughts on that subject?

      • Maranatha_Mark

        Rebecca, 1st off, thanks for your kind words. The scriptures are pretty clear about Yeshua’s main purpose for coming to earth… to be the perfect sacrifice for our sins, so that all of mankind might have a way to escape the penalty of their sins, and restore that which Adam and Eve gave away all those years before Yeshua Hammashiach.

        As for the Temple, there will be physical temple built, very soon, where the Dome of the Rock now stands. Why can I say that with certainty? The Abomination of Desolation is to be set up in the next and last man-made temple in Y’israel, and the Anti-Christ will then reveal his true intent, which is to require the world to worship him as ‘God’, and his intent to preform genocide upon the Jewish race… to wipe all of the Chosen people from the face of the earth, cause Father YHWH has promised that the only way His prophecies won’t come to pass is if every last Jew is wiped off the face of the earth. With this knowledge in mind, the anti-Christ will launch a world-wide hunt for all Jews, to do what Hitler only dreamed of doing.

        In fact, there are folks in Y’israel called the “Temple Institute” that have reproduces all the ceremonial robes for the temple priest, found and identified Jews with the Levite tribe’s blood line, been training them in the various aspect of priestly duties including scarifices, prepared the tools for all temple duties, and even have the stones required for the foundation, waiting for the green light to start building the temple. Of course the Dome of the Rock must go, but if your are familiar with the prophecies of Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38-39, it is highly likely that during one of these conflicts, the Dome of the Rock will be destroyed by the Muslims themselves, for if the Jews did it, it would surely result in an all out ware against Y’israel.

        If you have time, a very good book that I highly recommend is, “Isralestine: Blueprint of a Future Middle East” by Bill Salus. It is a very good book that studies many of the soon-to-be fulfilled prophecies like Psalm 83, Ezekiel 38-39, Isaiah 17, etc.

        Blessings and Shalom,

        Maranatha! Mark

        • Rebecca

          Thank you for the book suggestion. I will read that. I now remember reading that the Dome of The Rock must go before the temple can be rebuilt. This could all happen within a matter of a week I am sure. I also now remember reading that the anti-christ will stand up in the temple and say that he is the Messiah. Only time will tell. But if he takes this old Jewish girl’s life I will be with the Lord shortly.

        • independant thinker

          I heard once long ago that everything needed to rebuild the temple in Jerusulem is in a warehouse in NY just waiting on the proper time to be shiped to Isreal. Not claiming it is either true or false just that I heard that.

    • James

      Maranatha, For the sequence of the ‘rapture’ event, see my above reply to Carole.

  • eddie47d

    Three days ago I brought up this same subject and at least 4 people called me a liar. They said they didn’t believe me and I didn’t have any proof of Mr Camping or that this “event” was even going to happen. Now are these same people going to call Bob Livingston a liar for talking about this subject? Does he get a free pass because he is a Conservative? Does a Liberal get denounced because he says the exact same thing? I also said 3 days ago that I thought it wasn’t going to happen because these predictions have been made by many over the years. My point is that this site (the commentators) automatically attacks any thought that isn’t just like theirs and assume the other side has to be wrong. Another interesting thing that Mr Camping said is that there will be an earthquake at 6:00pm tomorrow and it will last 24 hours. This will shake the earth to it’s foundation and be the beginning of the end and life as we know it will probably cease to exist by Oct 21st 2011. I plan on being at church tomorrow working in the community garden. Life will go on.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      eddie47d… Conservatives do not get free passes.

    • Dan az

      Eddie
      Are you whining or bragging?I don’t remember that but what ever!

    • libertytrain

      I don’t think every poster did as you said – several commented about this purported event – maybe not to your thread – and this church has been running full page ads in USA TODAY and who knows what other papers about the end of the world on Sat.

    • JeffH

      …leave it to 47Stupid to mix his politics and “conjecture” in with this subject. No mortal man can predict the end…when my time is up, it’s up, same as everybody elses. The mystery of the end is where we will end up.

      What we call the beginning is often the end. And to make an end is to make a beginning. The end is where we start from.
      T. S. Eliot

    • http://naver samurai

      Edduh, you may not believe this, but I do agree with you on some things. First, this person Camping has no way of knowing when the world will end. Only God knows down to the exact second when it will. Second, political beliefs don’t give you a pass on anything with God. Just because I’m a staunch conservative will not score me any points with God. It’s what we do on this earth that determines where we go in the here after. My wife and I are going to help out at our church’s bake sale tomorrow. All the procedes go to the Faith Mission homeless shelter. We hope to get a good turn out. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • James

        Samurai, The ‘world’ doesn’t end when Christ returns. The word ‘world’ was translated from means: ‘age’ or ‘era.’ His Return is when His thousand-year rule on earth begins.

    • independant thinker

      Can’t speak for anyone else the other day but I did NOT call you a lier I asked for sources because at that time I had not heard of this crackpot or his prediction. By the way, last time I looked you had not provided any sources of course they are not needed now.

    • DaveH

      Eddie,
      Most of your comments are either personal attacks or totally unfounded. If you expect people to take you seriously, you need to change that.

  • http://Endoftheworld? Mary

    There is so much evil everywhere-I do not see how mankind can survive much longer. We will self destruct. We are all afraid of the unknown . Just focus on the promises of Jesus. Get up in the morning-have a talk with HIM – to keep your feet pointed in the right direction, keep that armor on, – we will be OK. MARANTHA!

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Mary… I am appalled at the evil in our world. I am saddened by the evil in our government. I too believe that we are living in the last days. We certainly cannot predict ‘the end’, but God’s word has given us enough information to know that the world cannot continue with so much corruption. Yes, it has been said many times before, but Christians know. I expect it to see it happen in my lifetime.

      • Maranatha_Mark

        Robin, you are correct, many folks throughout history have tought it was end of days, but they didn’t pay attention to one of the main signs that would harold the beginning of End Times… the rebirth of the nation of Y’israel, which until May 14th, 1948 hadn’t happen yet. So you are correct many folks have thought they lived in ‘End Times’, the difference between then and now, is they didn’t have a Re-gathering resulting in the rebirth Y’israel as a nation.

        Blessings and Shalom,

        Maranatha! Mark

  • Gaye

    Oh my Gosh, here in Brisbane, Australia they have paid for a massive bill board and on it they tell of how Jesus is coming back on the 21st.
    Hells teeth guys, just as you are saying, no one knows the Hr, day etc, not even Jesus, (or perhaps he does now as he is with the Lord but when that was written he was here)..
    Imagine what fools ALL Christians are going to look after tomorrow!!!, this is so sad, it is hard enough to talk to people about Christ as it is without fruit loops talking like this and making Christians and the bible look foolish..
    The bible says that in the last days that there will be a great falling away, and with this sort of thing being said, it is no wonder…, we all look we are half brain dead now..

  • Abe

    Pretribulation rapture has been around for longer and there is no prerequisite that the tribulation happen before the rapture. Moreover, in Revelation John is told to come up before these things happen and if you really are open to the truth and base your study on the Bible rather than the commentaries by supposed scholars, you will accept that the rapture by definition is pretrib and there is no criteria that needs to be fulfilled for it to occur.

    Maybe tomorrow, maybe in a couple of years or 50 no matter when, Jesus wil come – that is the only thing that is sure.

    Even so come Lord Jesus!

    • http://www.posttribulationrapture.com/index.htm Sam

      Please read Matthew 24, verses 29, 30, and 31 and ask your self, when will Christ come back? When will every single eye on earth see him coming back? When will the dead in Christ all be raised from their graves and changed in the twinkling of an eye and brought up to a waiting Christ? When will all those living saved believers in Christ be propelled up to the waiting Son of God.? An the answer is, on the last day, and the last day is, “immediately after the tribulation”.

      2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

      Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

  • Chris

    He was wrong in 1994 and he will be wrong again tomorrow. You can’t base predictions on fiction and/or legends.

  • dan

    Can’t help thinking that the 22nd will dawn and we will awaken to
    to the heaven or hell of our own choosing.
    What of the bit where first the son of perdition/devil must come
    peaceably…just sayin’ I’m still waiting for peace to break out all over the world before I get too excited.

  • Maranatha_Mark

    Gaye, “All Christians” will not look like fools an hour after 6 p.m., or the day after that, if the rapture doesn’t happen when Camping says it will. Only one man represents “ALL” of Christanity, and His name is, ‘Yeshua Hammashiach’. Brother Camping, I believe (I can’t say, “I know…”) is wrong, but he speaks only for himself concerning his predictions, not the Church as a whole. No mortal man speaks for the Church as a whole. As a follower of Yeshua Hammashiach, I know there have been, are and will be until Yeshua’s return, folks who mistakenly think and preach what they believe is the truth, but isn’t. None of them have, do or will speak for the whole of the Church – Christanity. So don’t get all upset and stressed out over Camping or anyone else’s predictions concerning the rapture or anything else, that you can’t confirm by the Scriptures. If folks laugh at Christanity because of Camping, who really cares, for the world hates us almost as much as they hate the Jews. So who cares if they laugh at us.

    Blessings and Shalom,

    Maranatha! Mark

    • 5StarTexan

      That’s right Mark. You know the scripture says that on the day of Christ’s return we will look upon our enemy and laugh…we won’t be able to believe what an imp he is and the same with the mockers who refuse Jesus. Pre-trip rapture is a wrong doctrine and Jesus warned us of such things in Matthew 24. I believe this teaching which came from a girl named Margarette in 1830 will cause many believers to be lax in following the truth and many will stumble. Though a lot of churches also teach that once you are born again that it impossible to go to hell, they are wrong. If they were not wrong, then why does the Apostle Paul spend so much of his time in the letters warning Christians that they can fall from grace and end up in hell. Margarette was a member of the Catholic church and she supposedly had a dream that was about the comimg of the Lord. From that dream scholars of the Catholic church wrote up the rapture doctrine. In that doctrine they double use some scriptures to speak of the 1st and 2nd comming. I mean they use the same scriptures to prove both comings as they put it. I believe the Bible shows us 3 New Testament comings of Jesus= 1. He was born of the flesh-a baby-2. He resurrected and appeared in the Upper Room. 3. He will return once more in flaming fire and vengence and the resurrection of the redeemed will take place and the judgement of the condemned (seperation of the sheep and goats) begins…the redeemed will participate in judging and the judging will take 1000 yrs..then we will see Rev…last chapter fulfilled…the healing of the nations. Heaven is on earth===there will be a new heaven and a new earth===the supper of the lamb is actually the sight of God’s enemies being destroyed…not a table full of food where believes will sit on a cloud for 3.5 yrs in a safe place to keep the powerful god of this world from harming them…that is ridiculous! When Jesus arrives the bodies of believers will be changed to incorruptible bodies and then Satan cannot harm the saints of God!!! We will witness Satan’s destruction and we will rule with a rod of iron for a thousand years with Christ…this is the judgement!! MATTHEW 24 TELLS US THAT THOSE WHO THINK THAT THEY WILL NOT SUFFER TRIBULATION (BELIEVE THEY WILL BE RAPTURED) WILL YEILD TO THE ANTI-CHRIST BECAUSE THE ANTICHRIST IS GOING TO ARRIVE SAYING HE IS CHRIST AND HE WILL APPEAR JUST LIKE BELIEVERS WHO BELIEVE THE HERESAY OF RAPTURE EXPECTS AND THEY WILL FOLLOW HIM BECAUSE THEY ARE DECEIVED….THE ENTIRE POINT OF SCRIPTURE ALSO IS THAT FOR EACH OF US INDIVIDUALLY….CHRIST CAN COME ANY MOMENT FOR WE ARE NOT GUARANTEED THE NEXT MOMENT..SO BE READY.

      • Maranatha_Mark

        5star Texan, respectfully, I can’t figure out how you have arrived at your theology and have read the Bible. You theology has so many things that simply are wrong, I don’t have the time or room to site chapter and verse on all the points you are wrong about. However I respect your right to be wrong. You seem to ignore the fact that Yeshua, Himself said that, “That which the Father has given Me, I can NOT LOOSE.”, Read John Chapter 6 a few times, for starters. How many times do you put Christ on the cross to pay for yours sins. How do you get around scriptures like Galatians 2:17-21? You must live in constant fear of loosing your salvation, which isn’t what the New Testament teaches.

        Paul taught us about the rapture, but when the Catholic Church became the main harold of the Word, buried it for the most part. Your ideas on the various comings of Yeshua, would be laughable, if it weren’t so sad to see someone twist the truth so badly.

        So all I can do is pray that Father sees fit to have the Rauch Hakkodesh guide you to the truth. Unfortunately, once you get your theology so askew, it is very hard to get it straightened out. I know, because before I really started studying the Bible, I once held some the beliefs you stated above, and it was hard to turn loose of some of my earlier misunderstandings, even in the face of undeniable truth of the scriptures.

        Blessings and Shalom,

        Maranatha! Mark

      • libertytrain

        5 Start Texan —- Rapture as such is Not the Roman Catholic Church but a sect created in England around 1830ish known as the Catholic Apostolic Church.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Apostolic_Church
        http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/encyc/encyc02/htm/iv.vi.cxcix.htm
        and more: “Irving, a Presbyterian minister at the time, was subsequently expelled from the Presbyterian Church, at which time he formed the Catholic Apostolic Church.”

        “The other group to adopt Margaret Macdonald’s new idea was the sect known as the Brethren or Plymouth Brethren, organized in the British Isles by John Nelson Darby (1800-1882). Darby was educated as a lawyer but became an Anglican priest in 1826, then left the Anglican Church to form his Brethren movement in 1830.”

  • http://bearmountainscientific.com Vern Harris

    I wrote a couple of books concerning this subject. It also covers many more related subjects. Want to get a fresh, accurate perspective on life and it’s purpose? The two books are titled “The Travelers” and The Alien Travelers Among Us”. Most might be surprised that there are travelers already among us preparing for this great day. Go to Amazon.com and do an author search by author Vernon R. Harris. Several books will show up but these two will be the ones you will want to check out.

  • http://www.worldviewweekend.com SavedByGraceAloneInChristAlone

    Carole: You stated, “Will someone please tell me where in the Bible it says that Christians will be ‘raptured’. The Thessalonians verse that everyone points to tells you where the dead are, not that anyone is going to fly out of their cars, and all of the other ridiculous images we see of this so-called event.”

    Read I Thessalonians Chapter Four, Verses 16 through 18 (copied below for your edification) to understand that the Rapture is coming and will snap up the dead in Christ first, followed by the believers in Christ, and we are to comfort one another with these words, for the King is coming:
    FIRST THESSALONIANS CHAPTER FOUR
    16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

    17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up (from the Latin translation, “raptos” or raptured) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

    18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

    Amen! Now, believe in the Lord Jesus, He died for your sins. Be blessed. Spread the word. Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and He is coming SOON — although I will slap guarantee you that it will not be on Saturday, May 21, 2011, at 6:00 p.m. Grenwich Mean Time (GMT).

    • Jana

      SavedByGrace,
      I used to believe in the rapture theory, but while trying to prove it, I actually found I can no longer believe in a fly away doctrine.
      Going back to 1Thes. 4, verse 16 is not the subject.
      the subject starts in verse 13, which states,

      1 Thess 4:13-14
      13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
      14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
      KJV

      Of course the dead in CHRIST shall rise first, as they died first, HE is bringing them with HIM.

      • http://www.worldviewweekend.com SavedByGraceAloneInChristAlone

        Thank you, Jana, and praise the Lord Jesus for your faith in Him, pursuant to Ephesians 2:8-10.

        I think that a lot of these issues, such as doctrines, dogma, dispensations and more, are best left to church group discussions.

        The main message for all believers is to continue the Great Commission and spread the good news of The Gospel, that we are all sinners but Christ died for us. Believing in this and following Him (Ephesians 2:10), is our best testimony and statement here and anywhere.

        Praise God for you, Jana, take care.

        • Jana

          SavedByGrace,
          Amen.
          Hopefully this will inspire all of us to sincerely study GOD’S
          WORD. It is so much fun being a student of THE WORD. We are seeing so many things unfold that we read about in the Bible and some it scares and others just know we must be about our FATHER’S business and that is, for each one of us to do whatGOD has personally called us to do.
          We are not to be afraid, but rather as the Bible says in
          Luke 21:28
          28 But when these things begin to come to pass, look up, and lift up your heads; because your redemption draweth nigh.

          Wow and HALLELUJAH.

          I welcome JESUS returning, but there is still much work to be done.
          We don’t like to see what is happening in this world, and we aren’t supposed to. So, we stand.

  • http://www.worldviewweekend.com SavedByGraceAloneInChristAlone

    As for the whole alien phenomena, please realize that aliens are nothing more than demons masquerading in spatial disquise, attemtpting to fool the wise and those who lack Biblical eyes to see and ears to hear fail to have the discernment necessary to avoid this satanic trap.

    The devil is the father of lies and has spun a false tale here with UFOs and demonology. God the Father, God the Son (the Lord Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit are clear and are truthful.

    Satan is the master of darkness and evil, attempting to rob you of eternity in heaven by duping you into thinking that there is another way apart from John 14:6, Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no one comes unto the Father but by me.”

    Aliens are demons, plain and simple. They are attempting to deceive you into believing that they are something they are not and ultimately, to rob you of trusting in Christ.

    • independant thinker

      Billy Graham once said something like this about alians from outer space “I do not know if they exist or not but if they do rest assured the same God that created us created them.”

      • Jana

        Independant,
        AMEN. I have always felt the same way.

  • Les

    Like your dear readers, I am desirous of His return. I think a lot about His 1000 year reign and how it will look. I often wonder how close are we and could this be a time of Transition. When you look up the meaning of Tribulation as used in the New Testament you find the word Transition (not escape). Mush of the design and philosophy of our Freedoms were drawn from the Word and I talk a lot to folks about what True and pure Liberty would look like (if Jesus took His throne here). It would look a lot like the things we postulate in Liberty unleashed. Unbridled prosperity, creativity, inventions, joy, compassion and all the attributes in the Word and in the nature Jesus expressed in His walk on this earth. I commiserate with the dear folks that have been caught into this off target moment and advise that we just be patient, do well and express the Kingdom of Heaven as best we can in all we do. I will say a prayer for our over-anxious friends this Sunday and envision the Kingdom of Grace. Blessings.

  • Richard

    Resurrection event is in the scriptures, not a rapture. Read the passages and think about what Christ himself said; resurrection of the just is what is seen there..
    Besides, the scriptures with the birds circling Jesus told his diciples, “that’s where thee body is”. Dead meat!! what else brings big carion birds to eat it from all over? So the scripture used in “left behind” is actually of a judjment and dead meat, lots of dead meat.
    Of course, I like the feel good thing, dissapear before we have to go thru uncomfortable situations. Can I get a first class seat in the rapture flight; I want the good icecream.. jaja That sells seats in the churches and keeps pastors fat and wealthy.
    Notice they usually identify themselves with many man made credentials. I guess that shows how smart they are right?

  • R

    Look, I subscribe to the Pan Theory. It will all pan out in the end. May 21, 2011 or not, it truly doesn’t matter when the rapture will occur. What matters is that you are ready. I commend anyone who spends time in the word and much more so when done as a family.

    I refuse to criticize the Camping followers for the error of misinterpretation. A time of reproof and reflection will come naturally and then the fall out, a time when true Believers need to embrace the Camping people and help them down the path again.

    It is foolish to pretend to know the mind of God unless he has chosen to reveal it, which he does to the extent we need to know, as revealed in his Word and prayer.

  • http://n/a John Beach

    These kinds of predictions, while warning of the “wrath to come,” really put Christians “on the spot.” What they do NOT do is put Christ “on the spot” and that is what should be the real concern of people who make such predictions. Christians who have heard the ministry of respected Christian leaders such as Camping have to wonder whether, given the sincerity which has been evident over the years of ministry, they are willing to stake all with a kind of prediction that Christ must fulfill in order for there to be a confirmation of (1) the truth of scripture or (2)the prediction. Whoever was responsible for the numbering of scripture, chapter and verse, or for whatever system of numerology upon which such predictions are predicated, such concocted speculations are a denial of the “No man knows…”. Since the Lord said that, it is not likely that He will be compelled by human expectation, this time, since He has not been compelled by it in the past. Christians know that the Lord is not compelled by virtue of human expectation.

  • http://www.michael-mcdermott.ws Michael McDermott

    Haven’t they predicted this many times before and it still hasn’t happened??? I am not a Christian, nor do I subscribe to taking the so called “Bible” literally as most fundamentalist Christians do. I believe religion is the stem of all evil and problems we are having today in our country. Mankind has always looked to some spiritual leader to interpret life for them based on a book that was meant to be a guideline and not to be taken literally. The God of the Bible is a jealous, hateful, vindictive God, the god I believe in, is the god within me (pure proof of a higher power) God is not male or female because no one has seen your Biblical GOD. God is not all knowing, but is in EVERYTHING you see, feel and touch and is inside of YOU, ME and EVERYONE. I do not subscribe to a judgment day, let alone a heaven or hell because of my personal experience within my spiritual self, that tells me that something more powerful is within ME, not out there, not in the heavens and certainly not in any BOOK. Your God source is you. John Lennon hit the nail on the head when he said, in a song, I don’t believe in this or that, I BELIEVE IN ME.

    There will be no rapture, there will be no end of the world on any certain day given by Christians or the Bible. Mankind will end the world, because they are like their God, (killing millions, asking fathers to kill their sons, putting women into submission under men), your God is on an ego trip. It is a self fulfilling prophecy you have intented and created and expect that everyone else should believe or follow. Well many of us don’t subscribe to that and know god personally because god is within us, that all powerful energy, free will, love. If I were to believe in anything, and I do. I believe the teachings of Jesus Christ, but I also do not believe he was divine, but rather a great teacher whose gifts came from another world or dimension or higher power, but certainly not from the God depicted in your Bible. So don’t be sad when the 23rd of May comes and you are still here with the rest of us so called SINNERS. You are not special in any way, for god loves everyone, not just Christians.

    MM

    • Johnny

      Michael, I am sorry for you in your rejection of the Creator, Living God, who has given us (through men) the Book that tells of himself and of ourselves (even you). May he have mercy on you and open your eyes to reality.

    • ValDM

      Choose not to believe at your own peril. The rest of us believers will still pray that you see the light, and soon.

      Take these words to heart: For God so loved the world, that He gave
      His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in
      Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16. Now that’s the good stuff God wants for us.

      What most people tend to forget is what follows: He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18. This would be the punishment for not obeying.

      You call God vindictive. God punishes His children for not obeying. Were your parents vindictive when they punished you as a child????

    • http://naver samurai

      Another atheist trying to tell us how it is. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Mike in MI

      M Mcd -
      Just remember that, if you can READ, This Jesus you say you accept – but reject, espouse – but annul, believe in – but decry – is the same one who said that at Judgement he will separate the sheep from the goats. The sheepill be on the right (the side of blessing ) and the goats on his left (the side of cursing).
      The sheep will go into eternal goodness and blessedness and the goats to the punishment prepared by the Father.
      Yes, God loves everyone. But most will reject the clear simplicity of His Words. You are rejecting some very significant points. As far as I’ve read I’ve never seen and “sheats” or “goaps”.
      Good luck, on that.

    • Winnie

      Michael McDermott, I’ve often wanted to say what you commented about religion, but never could word it just right. Before Christianity came into our village, there was peace and respect and NO FEAR. The Christian God truly is some entity that even tells his followers to fight and kill people in the His name. I do respect Jesus Christ as it seems he is the only one following the Creator in walking with respect, honesty, humility, wisdom, love, truth, and bravery. These attributes were taught to the us at a very early stage in my life. I was taught that my life was breathe into me by the Source of Prayers (Creator), therefore every living person and thing is to be honoured as they, too, came from the same breathe.

  • Carole

    SavedByGraceAloneinChristAlone – start reading at verse 13, not in the middle of the thought.

    Second, the word clouds refers to people too many to count – Lord in the air the Greek word is aero – spirit – not up above the ground on a little white fluffy cloud! The only reason that flesh could not see God, except when He made Himself manifest in the body of Christ Jesus is because of the dimensions – you cannot see him because the spiritual body is different than the physical flesh body. “You can’t see God and live” – because you have to be absent from your flesh body.

  • cvw

    I can’t believe this guy is still around. He predicted this back in the 90′s and his radio show ended instead. Maybe it was his father but I remember a Camping back around 1991 giving a date and it came and passed and nothing happened. There must be big bux in dating the end of the world or something. I guess the Mayans have finally found their success.

    Everyone seems to miss the point———– “No one knows the date or the hour”. In other words you must always be ready. This reminds me of the group that flips through the bible and points to words to make up a sentence to tell them what will happen. All you have to do is read it cover to cover to find that out. Guess that is just too boring for some.

    • Johnny

      Those who flip through the Bible looking for an answer may come up with dismaying advice. There is the story of a man who wanted advice as to a certain matter before him. So, he opened his Bible, put his finger on a page–and found Matt. 27:5–“Judas…went away and hanged himself.” He was puzzled by this finding, and tried again–and came to Luke 10:37–“Go and do likewise.” Really perplexed, he tried a third time, and was really dismayed when his finger landed on John 13:27–“…What you are about to do, do quickly….”

      • Jana

        Johnny,
        You are so right. Those who FLIP through the Bible looking for advice will be fooled many times over. The Bible is written for instruction, but it also tells us what Satan says too. This is why we STUDY the Bible, not flip through it.

        • http://naver samurai

          100% agree. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    I’ve seen people marching, on 42nd Street near Grand Central Station, with Judgment Day signs. I’ve also been handed tracts here in Queens. However, there has been no mention of this in my church. We must remember, we read in the Bible that there WILL be a judgment day and a rapture. It could be today, or tomorrow (5/21/11) as these people predict. Or it could be a few generations in the future. Based on what I’ve been taught, we should NOT try to calculate the exact date via clairvoyance, ESP, etc. Thus it’s best to continue living as we normally would, as we cannot know when the rapture will actually occur.

  • Dave

    Well, Maybe his whole point is just to get people to think about the end of their time here anyway. Some will leave tomorrow and some will stay, but only for a while.

  • ruth

    Daniel 12-11..And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

    Matthew 24-14,15..And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    As I see it the daily sacrifice is Jesus and the Gospel…and the abomination that makes desolate is the false gospel of the false prophets of Matthew 24…The koran…

    We are nearing the end evidenced by the Obamageddon having BIbles burned in Afghanistan while condemning Terry Jones for burning the koran gospel of antichrist…

    John identified antichrist as those denying Jesus is son of god and god is father… This qualifies Ilsam, Mohammed, muslims and koran all antichrist..We have possible a few more years left…not long..

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      Ruth, “John identified antichrist as those denying Jesus is son of god and god is father… This qualifies Ilsam, Mohammed, muslims and koran all antichrist..We have possible a few more years left…not long”..

      Wouldn’t this include the true Jewish Faith, they only believe up until Moses, unless they’re Jewish/Christians?

      • Jana

        Angel,
        God did identify who the anti Christ would be and that is Satan himself. These others are false prophets.

        • http://! Angel Wannabe

          Jana_ there is so many faiths running into one another, it’s hard to keep track of who believs what!__A friend of ours is what I call true Jew and their perticular beliefs, end at Moses, being a curious sort, I asked them.

          • A

            All who do not believe in Christ as the son of God and follow him are anti-Christ. It is hard for people to understand this and accept it but that is how it is, even those you love if they do not believe and study to show themselves approved are anti-Christ.

            I have very dearly loved family and friends that are in this situation and it hurts but only God can help them see the truth and give them the strength to accept it. We share his truth and pray for their salvation.

  • Carole

    The daily sacrifice is communion; the anti-Christ (anti, which means instead of)is Satan who will be thrown out of heaven by Michael who is now holding him. He, Satan, will bring peace and prosperity and some will fall for him thinking that he is Jesus who has come to ‘rapture’ them away; but you had better stay in the field working. God’s children will be handed over to anti-christ (delivered up to death by their own families thinking he is the Christ; Death, another name for Satan) and the Holy Spirit will speak through them.

    Let me just tell you, if you are still in your present physical body (pinch yourself), if you feel it, he is NOT Jesus.

    Also God shortened that 2-1/2 year period down to 5 months because Satan is so persuasive that even the avid believers would not be able to withstand him for too long.

    • Tommy Davis

      Preach it girl , I love women preachers so does god , our Father. Tommy

    • Erik

      Can you smell what you’re shoveling?
      Of course not.
      You fear mongers are such a hoot. You don’t even realize how evil you are.

      • Jay

        Erik, if only you realized what a simpleton you are!

        • Hicusdicus

          That’s the pat answer for all religious nuts, If you don’t believe in their hysteria you are a moron.

          • http://naver samurai

            So we don’t believe in the crap you are trying to sell, so what’s your point, moron? Why is it evrytime someone talks about God, Bible, Jesus, etc., you morons just seem to come out of the woodwork. Some of you are even moronic enough to cry out “Theocracy”, though you have no idea what it would involve to make the U.S. a theocracy. Time to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        Erik, moron, what proof and evidence can you provide that proves atheism is accurate and correct? I won’t hold my breath as I know you can’t. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Erik,

        I have being smelling it ever since I have been on this blog.Jana must be using a backhoe.Ha ah ah ah.Every thing comes out of her mouth is nothing but horse Sh**t.Pewweee.

        • http://naver samurai

          Do you like swinging from that rubber tire or have you traded it in for a new one? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • April

          As the old saying goes “the smeller is the feller”. LOLOLOL!!! That foul smell IS NOT comming from Jana. This is quit obvious!! Have you checked YOUR diapers Eric and coal miner?? You smell it b/c it follows you every where ya go and ya don’t have enough sense to clean up!! Tisk, tisk, tisk,

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Erik

        Arthur C. Clarke
        “Religion is the most malevolent of all mind viruses.” 10

        • http://naver samurai

          “In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.” Treaty of Paris 1783. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • April

      I hope you keep blogging Carole. You are very insightful.

    • Winnie

      Carole, I respect your beliefs, but I was taught that death was just the end of the world life. When we are born we walk through stages the of life – Infant life, Child life, Fast life (teens), Wondering and Wandering life, Truth life, Planting life, Elder life, and Spirit life, which is death. Just thought I’d share that with you. Too many people
      fear death. It is the cycle that we must all face whether we believe in God or not. But I do thank you for all of the good sharing you have done with your comments. Thanks.

  • http://! Angel Wannabe

    Perfect title Bob!__Only the Father knows for sure when the end of time comes, humans can only speculate and try to claim prophecy. All we can is do is be prepared. Personally I’m that up to God.

    • http://! Angel Wannabe

      AWB, How’s about “I’m letting that up to God” is what I meant.

  • BigBadJohn

    I think if this guy has a Sunday service and he starts passing out kool-aid I would leave……

  • Thamera

    1986 Halley’s Comet…1999 Y2K…2011 Camping wants to get one up on the Mayans end of the world 2012 as I see it. Good for 15 seconds of fame. Think I’ll be posting on Sunday :D

  • Carole

    Michael McDermott, God does love you and has given you free will to love him and come to repentance; if not, you may be gone along with his son, Satan, whom he also loved at one time. Satan guarded the Mercy Seat’ and then decided he didn’t want to guard it any longer; he wanted it – he wanted to be the Christ, the Anointed One.

    So Michael, I’m praying that you will seek Him and find Him before it is too late.

  • http://! Angel Wannabe

    I didn’t go and check, but is this Camping fellow, confusing the Mayan Calander (which apparently says) the end age & the beginning of a New one?_-I thought that was predicted for 2012?_-I’ll have to check.

  • ONTIME

    The arrogance of man is astounding and often time blindly ignorant, global warming, global cooling, poisonous CO2, Y2K, Haley’s Comet and other such claims all thru man’s short existence as a superior creature on the face of God’s earth. We have a desire to be the top of the food chain but have a problem with the fact that we are in no position to challenge nature’s enviable power and indecisive about how we exercise the God given freewill, we are mere creatures in that aspect alone and inspite of the overwhelming evidence of the Almighty’s presence many of us cannot allow this recognition to intrude upon our own idea of superiority. We are indeed insufferable and arrogant.

  • Randolph

    Why don’t you people put this idea on the shelf next to the Y2K Bug we had 11 years ago??

  • Maranatha_Mark

    What so many commenting on this Camping issue and the Rapture, don’t understand is that after the Rapture, there will be at least 7 more years before the 2nd Coming of Yeshua, and likely more than that, for it isn’t the rapture event that signals the beginning of the 70th Week of Daniel, but rather the peace treaty the Anti-Christ signs with Y’israel. The only thing the rapture signifies is the “Restrainer” will be removed and the Anti-Christ will be able to come to power and start his reign over all the Earth. How long the Anti-Christ will reign over the world, isn’t specified other than we know that he rules through the 70th Week of Daniel, which a week = 7 years in Daniel’s time line, so he rules at least 7 years, and since it doesn’t say he become supreme world leader then immediately signs the peace treaty with Y’israel, we can safely assume he became world leader some time before the beginning of the 70th Week of Daniel.

    Randolph, it will be placed on the self soon enough, but discussion of this is good, in my humble opinion.

    Blessings and Shalom,

    Maranatha! Mark

  • FreedomFighter

    EOF

    End of File.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Terri

    Harold Camping is a Protestant, and Protestants have nothing to do with True Christianity. Neither do the Roman Catholics. Both were founded as an act of rebellion (Hence the term, “Protest-ant”) against the True Faith of Eastern Orthodoxy. Rebellion=witchcraft (1 Sam. 15:23). Witches are not allowed to live (Exodus 20). And yes, the Old Testament is still valid. There can not be a Christian witch, even if you wash your clothes with oxymoron.

  • A Believer

    I believe that tribulations begins with the Vials, Seals, and Trumps. The bible says that these three things will be our signs. It would also seem that each sign comes in threes. one vial, one seal, and one trump at a time. 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, and 777. You will know the antichrist by his number. his number is 666. he will come to this world from heaven to deceive the people of god. the number six comes before the number 7. the antichrist comes first. he comes proclaiming himself the Lord. He comes to decieve you. I believe that is what the rapture will be. it is the antichrist deceiving the Lords people into believing in him. the number of the one Lord, Jesus Christ is 777. the rapture would be nice, i agree. however, I choose not to be deceived.

  • Carole

    Hey Terri,

    Judge not, lest you be judged!

  • chuckb

    religion is the opium of the masses.

    will bet anyone $450,000 the world doesn’t end tomorrow.

  • Vicki

    Absent a time zone (also min, sec, ….) the prediction leaves the entire day open for the event. No matter what happens on Sat, Sunday the 22nd will be an interesting day.

  • Jim

    You know he is not telling the truth because of the scripture in Matthew 24. A false prophet is what the guy is. He spreads fear and if you are a Christian, you have nothing to fear so we can just forget about Camps Claim about tomorrow and go ahead and live. Christ will come one day but if i were a betting man, I would bet a paycheck that May 22nd comes and he is still here with us. I would not want to be in his shoes because just maybe one of the people who were foolish enough to believe his may want to get even because they gave up or sold everything they had. Just a thought.

  • Carole

    As I said previously, there will be no time! Time was created for us humans! Time will disappear and that’s why Christ’s coming will be seen by all at the same instant and EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW – time, as we know it, is not involved! Camping is saying that this will go on for 24 hours. Sorry, he’s thinking like a human – this will be in an INSTANT.

    • Erik

      Yes, it’s all very scary, like Darth Vader.
      Ever consider living like a human, instead of crawling on all fours, waiting in fear, for the Evil God of Abraham to give you the final smackdown?
      Once you dismiss the sad fantasy of bible crap, it makes life so much more enjoyable.

      • Jay

        Erik, what would a baboob such as yourself know anything about living like a human? You must first stop playing with your excrement and then you can start living like a human. Humans don’t play with their excrement!!! Also, you really should stop swinging from that tire!

      • http://! Angel Wannabe

        Erik, your statement is not even worthy of a reply, I truely hope you find the light.

      • http://naver samurai

        Very funn and true Jay. Also true about what you say Angel. Erik, one day Jesus is going to walk up from behind you and slap you on the back of your head, bringing you back into reality. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Hicusdicus

          I have known and met Jesus he used to hang around home depot looking for work.

          • http://naver samurai

            Way too much lib kool aid. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Winnie

            Hicusdicus. you’re funny. But then, I happen to believe that all living persons and things are to be respected, so even the homeless and the supposed athiests are to treated with respect until such a time as they have shown such disrespect for others.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So why aren’t you enjoying life?

        • Winnie

          Exactly. The Creator gave us life to enjoy and to live for the moment. Some Christians are way too into religion. Life is about balance. Sacredness and irreverence. God gave us the freedom of choice. We can choose to believe what others tell us or we can believe in what our heart tells us. As long as I have respect for myself, I will respect others and their beliefs. But don’t try to put fear into my life (not you Nadzieja Batki)but those Christians that truly believe that there is a hell for non-Christians. Every feeling that we experience in life is given to the Creator in our Spirit life time. I surely do not want to present the Creator with a whole lot of fear. So I do try to enjoy the moment positively every day.

  • Carole

    Also, of the day and the hour as was said before, no one knows; but it certainly won’t be May 21, 2011. There’s lots of prophecy yet to be fulfilled.

  • Star827

    Would someone please explain to me how we can claim to know that ANY of what WE think the Bible says is literal in especially time increment translations? The reasons I ask -
    1.)The modern Bible we have today was NOT directly translated from the languages it was originally written in into English
    2.)We do not have all of the books of the Bible
    3.)The translation of the “modern” Bible was done by the Catholic church and had to be approved by the King of England…
    4.)Scholars today argue over the meanings and uses of words in Hebrew and what they should translate into in modern English
    5.)We are on a totally different time/calendar than they were when those books were written.How do we know that what we are claiming is 7 years is what we know as 7 years? We’ve been through roughly 4 calendar changes – so who’s calendar are we going by?
    Don’t get me wrong – I believe the Bible is the word of God.I believe that what has been written was inspired by God and the Holy Spirit-originally.What we have now has been translated and debated over and twisted by MAN.
    Does anyone know of ANY literal translations of ANY or several books of the Bible from their original language into English? Can the general public get ahold of them to read? Or are they,like so many other things,being hidden by the Vatican??

    • Winnie

      Right on Star827.

  • Erik

    According to the mystical, magical book of Christians, Jesus was supposed to return 2000 years ago, with all the pleasantries of Armageddon to follow.
    Here it is, 2000 years later, and no show.
    Good thing we didn’t bake a cake.
    LMAO at the silly bible fantasies that were originally concocted to keep the retards in line.

    • Jay

      Erik, unfortunately I just came on site, and sadly, I couldn’t assist in preventing you from sounding like a complete MORON!!! Wish I could have been here earlier, and maybe, I could have spared you from embarrassing yourself. You obviously know diddly squat about the subject at hand, and yet, like an indoctrinated baboon that you are, mindlessly respond, like Pavlov’s dog, to anything that could be used to discredit true Christianity. Well done puppet, your master’s will be well pleased, you salivate on command!!!

      • Hicusdicus

        If your so smart tell which came first god or the collection plate?

        • Jana

          Hicusdicicus,
          Which came first you or your mother?

          • Hicusdicus

            As far as I know it was my grand mother. I thought that Jesus people were supposed to be kind and tolerant and turn the other cheek. I would be more than happy to turn both my cheeks to you.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well said Jana and Jay. They may never understand. It’s hard to kick against the pricks. Their feet must be pretty sore by now. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            Hey H, you can turn both cheeks to me and I’ll put my size 10 combat boots between them. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Jay

          If you had an ounce of intelligence, you would keep your mouth shut! You sound like a fool! Are you on medication?

      • Winnie

        Jay, I can tell from your comment that you, yourself are not a Christian. “Love thy neighbors as you love yourself.” You are “doing unto others what you want others to do unto you”.

  • Jay

    Harold Camping is not a Christian, he’s a LUNATIC!!!

    • Hicusdicus

      Harold Camping is just another Christian lunatic which is par for the course.

      • Jay

        Hicusdicus, are you related to related to Harold Camping?

        • http://naver samurai

          He rants and bashes Christians as much as Robert Smith. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • BimBam

    The rapture theory is not proven in the Bible. It has been taken out of the timeline. They take the Bible quote in Paul about meeting the Lord in the air, but this is AFTER the disasters not before.

  • Raggs

    Rapture… the murdering of Christians during a tyrannical rise of government…

    • Hicusdicus

      Whats wrong with that! Who would miss them?

      • http://naver samurai

        How about the killing of more than 6 million Jews by a tyrannical government? How about killing millions of your own people by starvation and purges (Stalin) or for the name of communism (Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Mihn)? How about in the name of a false religion (Islam)? Your response shows no intelligence, low self esteem, and no human qualities whatsoever. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Hicusdicus

          What makes you think any god would want you for company for an eternity.

          • Jay

            What makes you think?

          • http://naver samurai

            Look in the mirror when you say that. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Hicusdicus

          You do not give these folks due credit for population control which is becoming a problem. Don’t forget your god created all these murderous people so why don’t you ask him. That is if you can ever find him.

          • Kate8

            Hic – God created Life. People are part of Life.

            He gave us free will. Some people choose to be evil and murderous. Some people choose to be stupid and offensive, too.

          • http://naver samurai

            Genghis Khan wasn’t a Christian and his idea of population control was to kill 40 million of his enemies, also non-Christians. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Samurai,
            wrong.no one knows the exact number, but he conquered almost three fourths of asia, and scientists guess he killed over 2 and a half million people in toyal. although, there are myths of genghis khnas “finest hour”, in which they say he killed over 1748000 people in one hour

            Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_did_Gengis_Khan_kill#ixzz1N0KQFP6J

          • http://naver samurai

            Yes coal dungger, he did conquer much of Asia, but my statement stands. He wasn’t a Christian, the people he killed weren’t Christians, and he was known for slaying people and not taking them prisoner. His troops used to encircle enemy armies and attack from all sides. They would keep going till only one person or creature was left. A prince would then come before him and ask that that life be spared. The facts remain the same. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Jay

    And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

    And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

    For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

    For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

    All these are the beginning of sorrows.

    Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

    And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

    And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

    And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

    But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

    When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

    Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

    Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

    And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

    But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

    For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

    Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

    For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    Behold, I have told you before.

    Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

    For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

    Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

    So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

    Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

    Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

    And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

    But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

    Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

    Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

    Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

    Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

    But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

    And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

    The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

    And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    • Hicusdicus

      Do you really rap your life around this mythical nonsense ?

      • http://naver samurai

        What proof and evidence can you provide the prves atheism is accurate and correct? We’ll start there for now, moron. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Hicusdicus

          There is a lot more proof for atheism than there is for life after death. I guess any body who does not agree with idea of a mythical entity is just another (offensive word removed) weed.

          • Thamera

            Noticing that Hiccup never answers a question….hahaha

          • Jay

            Hey Samurai, this hicusdicus, another liberal retard! Why a retard? Did you hear his statement? There’s more proof for atheism then there is for life after death! I have never heard such an idiotic statement before. This guy has got be the retard of all retards! The champion of all retards. Question? What proof is there for atheism? Is atheism not a belief? A faith? In what? Nothing!!! That’s proof? This retard is the by-product of our intellectually bankrupt education system, an indoctrinated baboon, raised on medication, and probably a queer! How this moron manages to get up in the morning and tie his shoes is anyone’s guess…pathetic!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            I agree with you Thamera and Jay. H, you’re lucky that comment was removed or else I’d have to have my wife pray over you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Kate8

      Jay – Here is something I recently learned:

      Re: mark of the beast

      An early translation of the original is “chi xi stigma”. The root word from which stigma is derived means “to jab or puncture”.

      Sound like a chip to you?

      • Hicusdicus

        Sounds like more Jesus nonsense.

        • http://naver samurai

          Too much lib kool aid. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            Samurai,
            Hibiscus there might be coal or smilee. Sure talks like them.

        • Jay

          denniso, you spineless twit!

      • Jay

        Kate8, no doubt, could also be describing a tattoo, or both! But to be sure, a spirit!

  • http://! Angel Wannabe

    Hey folks new website by David Barton on Wallbulders “Black Robe Regiment”, thought I’d share it__God Bless!

    http://brr.wallbuilders.com/

  • chuckb
    • Kate8

      chuckb – Thank you for that link! That is the best one yet.

      I’m fwding it to my email list.

      Keep posting it here, too. Everyone needs to see it. It talks about how the global elite picked him many years before anyone heard of him, just as some journalists have testified.

      This is serious, folks. The evidence mounts, and the media ignores.

      • Hicusdicus

        You seriously need to sever your link to the nutcase channel.

        • http://naver samurai

          He sounds like some fool named Kang I used to know. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Hicusdicus

    There will be no rapture because there is no god. Never has been never will be. The closest thing to god is the collection plate.

    • JeffH

      Thank GOD that is only your opinion.

      • Hicusdicus

        What ever! If you are referring to the god of Jesus their are about 5 billion people who disagree with you. I am sure that your cobbled together book says they are all wrong and you are right. Christian arrogance knows no bounds.

        • Kate8

          Hiscusdicus – How do you feel about Islamic arrogance? Because they are willing to slaughter all of mankind who disagree with them.

          • Hicusdicus

            The Islamic’s are just as nutty as the Christians except their offer of 72 virgins is a lot more inviting than pearly gates.

        • JeffH

          Hicusdicus, and you aren’t just as nutty as any of them?

        • http://naver samurai

          Actually moron, Christianity is upwards of 2 billion people. That’s 1/3 of the world’s population. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://naver samurai

      Still haven’t answered the question I asked you before, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Thamera

        People like Hiccup can’t answer questions. They are blinded by their own indoctrination, hate and bitterness but living under the delusion that they are intellectually superior because they have all the answers. Don’t you know? hahahahahahahaha

  • T.L.

    If the world ends as this guy predicts, it would be a first. The Bible says this event will come like a thief in the night. The “end” is one thief that cannot be “dispached” by a Smith and Wesson. When it does, I don’t think anybody here will be worried about who got the date right.

    • Kate8

      T.L. – Actually, the Bible says that for most of humanity it will come as a thief in the night, but for Gods faithful it will not come as a thief, because they will be forewarned.

      I hope people are studying what scripture actually says, and not relying on others to tell them. There are so many interpretations of Biblical meanings, it’s anyone’s guess if any one of them are correct.
      I figure that my understanding is as good as the next guys.

      It’s a case of “we’ll know when we know”. Kind of like death. We can have all kinds of beliefs about what happens, but we won’t really know until it does (which might be sooner than we’d like).

      • Hicusdicus

        The bible says anything you want it to say as can be easily proven by the thousands of Christian denominations and they all have multiple collection plates.

        • http://naver samurai

          Every religion accepts donations or tithings, so what’s your point? Christianity isn’t based on money, but in the believing in God, Jesus, and living by every word of the Bible. In it is the words of God and the teachings of Jesus. We also believe in why Jesus came to earth and why he died for us. However, trying to tell someone like you would be futile at the least. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Hicusdicus

            Without the collection plate god would never survive. Nobody would waste their time preaching for free.

          • JeffH

            Hicusdicus said: “Without the collection plate god would never survive”. You actually believe that don’t you!

            I never heard that GOD ever passed a collection plate, I always thought that was done in a place of worship. You’re confusing the two and blaming one for what the other may of may not be doing.
            I suggest you get some education on the matter. As I said, it’s only your opinion and far from any kind of fact.

            That said, you sound an awful lot like the board hater denisso.

          • Jay

            habiscus, obviously your daddy and mommy considered you a waste of time! Is that the issue here? If so, this is not the place to work out your issues. As Dr. Phil would say: How’s that working for ya, dumbo?

          • http://naver samurai

            Ah yes, now H wastes our time by posting something with no facts, sources, or intellect whatsoever. Sounds like a lot of libs that come to this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Nadzieja Batki

          You are not asked to fill them, so what’s your gripe.

  • Kate8

    Has anyone actually been to the familyradio site and read their material? He does address the issues of setting dates and God always warns His people when something is about to happen, and it explains clearly their calculations. Pretty interesting.

    http://www.familyradio.com/index2.html

    Having said that, I really don’t have any sense of this happening tomorrow, for whatever that’s worth. It’s just good to know what has actually been presented before commenting about it.

    I’m not going to pass judgment on Camping as a false prophet, or take a stand on whether the Bible promises a Rapture. Others base end time events, including the Rapture, on the prophetic timeline of the Lord’s Feasts, Rapture being set for the Feast of Trumpets in Sept. Interestingly, at this Feast, there were always two witnesses who watched the precise movement of the moon to determine the exact moment the Feast would begin, as “no one knew the day nor the hour” because it always differed.

    I’ve read so much both for and against, and have tried to surmise it on my own, but I’ve finally just left it up to God. Throughout history, He has provided “escape” for His faithful, but whether we believe it’s real or not doesn’t matter. Only God knows for sure.

    • Hicusdicus

      The only interesting thing about all this blather is that millions of people give a lot of their hard earned money to these people so they can be lied to. People are so stupid why would any so called god want them around.

      • http://naver samurai

        What’s that? Is that your mother calling you to get back down into her basement? Good boy! Woof! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Hicusdicus

          I guess your thought processing has hit a dead end. Go read your bible it is full of stupid things to say.

          • JeffH

            Go hate somewhere else ya phony…denniso!

          • libertytrain

            Jeff – not everyone acts like the jov – I think this character is just a new recruit -

          • Thamera

            Yes, Hiccup does sound a lot like Denniso…bitter, angry and hateful.

          • Jana

            I agree, Hibiscus sounds like denniso, coal miner or smilee. Pathetic.

          • Jay

            Hey Jeff, i’ll bet you any money that this guy, whoever he is, is a homo, all homo’s hate God! Any takers?

          • http://naver samurai

            No intelligence and not even worth responding to. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Hicusdicus,
            Feb 22, 1998 … B. Zel’dovich in Moscow suggest that the universe began as a perfect vacuum and that all the particles of the material world were created …
            http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/creation.htm

          • http://naver samurai

            Coal dungger go peddle your crap somewhere else. No big bang theory or vaccum theory. Remember moron that a theory is NOT A FACT and shouldn’t be taken seriously. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        How is that your concern?

      • http://naver samurai

        We feel the same way about people who voted for Obama bin Laden. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • iam

    I remember the last time the world ended. It was such a non-event that most people didn’t even notice. We were all so bored that we spent the evening watching television.

    • Jay

      Ah yes, the boob tube, that would explain your boob remark! Duh…any one home?

    • http://naver samurai

      What? Oh I’m sorry, you tried to post something intelligent or funny and failed miserably. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • max

    the world will end on Dec.21,1912.Enjoy!

  • Pete

    This Harold Camping dude sure is cool ! He’s got everyone thinking about the “Rapture”. I sure hope he keeps on giving input (and predicting) on when it’s gonna happen – IF he is wrong…. this time ….

    But then again , what if he is right !!! HA HA HA HA HA !

    He’s an old civil engineer, that’s shows the interest in the math …. interesting fellow. If he is wrong, I sure hope Mr. Camping publishes his calculations ! It sure would be interesting to see his logic .

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Mark Twain:
    Surely the ass who invented the first religion ought to be the first ass damned
    Faith is believing in that which I know ain’t so.

    • http://naver samurai

      “It is religion and morality alone, which we can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand.” John Adams

      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        John Adams 1735-1826, 2d President of the United States

        “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.” [ in a letter to Thomas Jefferson]

        “The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.”

        “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

        “Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it.”

        “But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed.”

        “Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1500 years.”

        “The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles.” 6

        • Peter

          Coal Miner,

          You got to think on your own ! Here’s a quote …

          “An atheist’s intelligence is slightly more than an Ape” — Pete

          or

          “Atheist are just mentally retarded, inbred humans, inferior genetically to theist” — Pete

          or

          Trying to reason with an atheist is like trying to reason with an asparagus tip” — Pete

        • http://naver samurai

          Wrong answer moron. If you read the DOI, you’ll see that all of our rights are endowed by their Creator. Endowed means blessed and Creator is another name for God. The Preamble of the Constitution says “…secure the blessings of liberty to ourselve and our posterity…” If you have blessings, then there has to be a blesser. Since we human don’t have that ability, there has to be a Supreme Being in able to do that. That Supreme Being is God. How about where our founders signed the Constitution? Right above George Washington’s name are the words “…in the year of our Lord…” This means the number of years after the birth of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Need to do better then that, moron.

          www,keepgodinamerica.com
          http://www.wallbuilders.com

          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Winnie

            Samurai, the year of our lord was created by the Romans about 150 or so after Christ was crucified.

          • Winnie

            150 or so years after Christ was crucified.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Thomas Edison, American inventor (1847-1931).

    “I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God.”

    “I do not believe that any type of religion should ever be introduced into the public schools of the United States.”

    “So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake… Religion is all bunk.”2

    • Peter

      Coal Miner,

      I think Edison probably has changed his mind ….heh heh !

    • http://naver samurai

      “My dear friend, do not imagine that I am vain enough to ascribe our success (Revolution) to any superiority…If it had not been for the justice of our cause, and the constant interposition of Providence (Presence of God), in which we had faith, we must have been ruined. If I had ever before been an atheist, I should now have been convinced of the being and government of a Deity!” Ben Franklin.

      “In the supposed state of nature, all men are equally bound by the laws of nature, or to speak more properly, the laws of the Creator.” Samuel Adams.

      “The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights.” George Washington.

      You lose again moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Albino.

        Ok so we’er talking the founding father’s and no one has mentioned Tomas Jefferson?

        “Thomas Jefferson was always reluctant to reveal his religious beliefs to the public, but at times he would speak to and reflect upon the public dimension of religion. He was raised as an Anglican, but was influenced by English deists such as Bolingbroke and Shaftesbury. Thus in the spirit of the Enlightenment, he made the following recommendation to his nephew Peter Carr in 1787: “Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.”In Query XVII of Notes on the State of Virginia, he clearly outlines the views which led him to play a leading role in the campaign to separate church and state and which culminated in the Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom: “The rights of conscience we never submitted, we could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. … Reason and free enquiry are the only effectual agents against error. Jefferson’s religious views became a major public issue during the bitter party conflict between Federalists and Republicans in the late 1790s when Jefferson was often accused of being an atheist.

        With the help of Richard Price, a Unitarian minister in London, and Joseph Priestly, an English scientist-clergyman who emigrated to America in 1794, Jefferson eventually arrived at some positive assertions of his private religion. His ideas are nowhere better expressed than in his compilations of extracts from the New Testament “The Philosophy of Jesus” (1804) and “The Life and Morals of Jesus” (1819-20?). The former stems from his concern with the problem of maintaining social harmony in a republican nation. The latter is a multilingual collection of verses that was a product of his private search for religious truth. Jefferson believed in the existence of a Supreme Being who was the creator and sustainer of the universe and the ultimate ground of being, but this was not the triune deity of orthodox Christianity. He also rejected the idea of the divinity of Christ, but as he writes to William Short on October 31, 1819, he was convinced that the fragmentary teachings of Jesus constituted the “outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man.” In correspondence, he sometimes expressed confidence that the whole country would be Unitarian[4], but he recognized the novelty of his own religious beliefs. On June 25, 1819, he wrote to Ezra Stiles Ely, “I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.””

        I do not believe in religion, but saying that I DO believe in FREEDOM OF RELIGION! That is why Thomas Jefferson is one of the greatest minds of all history. 

        Please DO NOT label me as an athiest, as I’m not!  i can’t prove to you or myself there is no God and I WILL NOT try!  There is just pure and simply NO evidence for or against God. 

        Respectfully,

        Albino…

        Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic (Arthur C Clarke).

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Thomas Edison, American inventor (1847-1931).

    “I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God.”

    “I do not believe that any type of religion should ever be introduced into the public schools of the United States.”

    “So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake… Religion is all bunk.”3

    • Thamera

      CM I find it interesting that at least your last “quote” is actually a retread from infamous atheist Madalyn Murray O’Hair:

      So far as the religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake … Religion is all bunk.
      As quoted in What on Earth is an Atheist! (1972) by Madalyn Murray O’Hair, p. 251

      The following is an actual quote from Edison:

      “We really haven’t got any great amount of data on the subject, and without data how can we reach any definite conclusions? All we have — everything — favors the idea of what religionists call the “Hereafter.” Science, if it ever learns the facts, probably will find another more definitely descriptive term.”
      As quoted in Thomas A. Edison, Benefactor of Mankind : The Romantic Life Story of the World’s Greatest Inventor (1931) by Francis Trevelyan Miller, Ch. 25 : Edison’s Views on Life — His Philosophy and Religion, p. 295

    • Kate8

      coal – So, what is your point? Who cares what anyone else thinks?

      No one finds God if they aren’t looking in the right places. Well-known people are no different. When it comes to Spirit, no one has an edge.

      When it comes to God, you know what you know, when you know. And when you know, no one can convince you otherwise.

    • http://naver samurai

      First, why do you have to be a moron and repeat yourself? No one was listening to you before, so why would they listen a second time? As far as schools go, you’re wrong!

      “Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall be forever encouraged.” George Washington.
      Written in the Northwest Ordinance of April 7, 1789.

      “It is religion and morality alone, which we can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand.” John Adams.

      “Religion is of general and public concern and on its proper support depend, in great measure, the peace and good order of government, the safety and happiness of the people. By our form of government, the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are place upon the same equal footing, and are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty.”
      Samuel Chase 1803, Chief Justice SCOTUS

      Sorry moron, but you’ve lost again. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • RevBarbaraE

    Mr. Camping is wanting his 15 minutes of fame. Who remembers the guy (I can’t remember his name) who, in 1987, wrote a book about 88 reasons why Jesus is coming in 1988–he made a fortune. Then in 1989 he wrote a book about 89 reasons why Jesus didn’t come in 88–made another fortune.

    Anyway, when the rapture does occur it will not be the end of the world, but rather the beginning of the millenial reign of Christ here on this planet. We’re not going anywhere except to another plane, another realm, the spirit realm. Whenever it happens I want to be saddled up and ready to ride!

    • Peter

      Rev BarbaraE,

      Some Christians won’t experience DEATH !!! That’s great …
      What a Blessed Hope.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner
    • http://naver samurai

      Sorry moron, but science can’t explain this, so stop using it as a crutch. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Thamera

    For Hiccup and CM: (Oh and it’s Saturday)

    “The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer.”
    — Albert Einstein
    in Goldman, p. vii

    And another good one:

    “I was barked at by numerous dogs who are earning their food guarding ignorance and superstition for the benefit of those who profit from it. Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is of the same kind as the intolerance of the religious fanatics and comes from the same source. They are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against the traditional “opium of the people”—cannot bear the music of the spheres. The Wonder of nature does not become smaller because one cannot measure it by the standards of human moral and human aims.

    — Einstein to an unidentified adressee, Aug.7, 1941. Einstein Archive, reel 54-927, quoted in Jammer, p. 97

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Thamera,

      “For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything ‘chosen’ about them.”

      Albert Einstein

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Thamera,

      Clearly, Einstein’s “God” is not at all like the God that most people think of when they hear the word. Neither is the “God” of the famous cosmologist and mathematician, Stephen Hawking, whose talk of “the mind of God” has given comfort to many religious believers. Hawking also is a pantheist. When asked by CNN’s Larry King whether he believed in God, Hawking answered:

      Yes, if by God is meant the embodiment of the laws of the universe.
      We began by asking “Did Einstein believe in God?” The answer, as Hawking pointed out, depends on what you mean by “God.” In one sense (the Pantheist sense), Einstein did believe in God. But in another sense he didn’t. Indeed, except for his deciding to use the term “God” in a way that is unfamiliar to most people, his views are indistinguishable from those of someone who is an unabashed atheist. Deism, some critics have said, is nothing but soft-sell atheism.

      • Thamera

        CM I have listened to Hawking on several occasions and regard him for what he is: A man, nothing more as was Einstein and Edison. The quotes I supplied as well as the source of the quotes from Einstein were in direct response to atheists and atheism and found them to be very fitting. As for me, it’s Saturday and it is time to go enjoy the day :D

      • Kate8

        coal – What the heck does Einstien or Hawking have to do with anything? You think they have a better handle on God than anyone else? Do you think that what they think means anything at all?

        We need to stop looking for someone else to explain God to us, and set about finding Him for ouselves. There are so many things that few people understand because they aren’t motivated to find out. Many Biblical explanations do sound absurd on their face, but that is only because we aren’t understanding the true meaning.

      • http://naver samurai

        The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and his Apostles. This is genuine Christianity and to this we owe our free constitutions of government. The moral principles and precepts found in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, procede from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible. Our citizens should early understand that the genuine source of correct republican principles is the Bible, particularly the New Testiment, or the Christian religion. The Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children under a free government ought to be instructed. No truth is more evident than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people. The Bible is the chief moral cause of all that is good and the best corrector of all that is evil in human society–the best book for regulating the temporal concerns of men. The Christian religion…is the basis, or rather the source, of all genuine freedom in government. I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of Christianity have not a controlling influence.” Noah Webster.

        What’s that sound? I know, it’s coal dungger running for his life in full retreat. I’ll have to keep persuing him, along with others like him, till we have won the battle. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Thamera,
      Above website
      This is a Paste from kiosk’s .Einstein’s view on God.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    home.earthlink.net/~acb_33/33facts2.ht…

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    The first belief in one God,started in Egypt,long before Christianity and Judaism.

    The Cult of the Sun God and Akhenaten’s Monotheism
    From the Library of Congress:

    Egypt During the New Kingdom, the cult of the sun god Ra became increasingly important until it evolved into the uncompromising monotheism of Pharaoh Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV, 1364-1347 B.C.). According to the cult, Ra created himself from a primeval mound in the shape of a pyramid and then created all other gods. Thus, Ra was not only the sun god, he was also the universe, having created himself from himself. Ra was invoked as Aten or the Great Disc that illuminated the world of the living and the dead.
    The effect of these doctrines can be seen in the sun worship of Pharaoh Akhenaten, who became an uncompromising monotheist. Aldred has speculated that monotheism was Akhenaten’s own idea, the result of regarding Aten as a self-created heavenly king whose son, the pharaoh, was also unique. Akhenaten made Aten the supreme state god, symbolized as a rayed disk with each sunbeam ending in a ministering hand. Other gods were abolished, their images smashed, their names excised, their temples abandoned, and their revenues impounded. The plural word for god was suppressed. Sometime in the fifth or sixth year of his reign, Akhenaten moved his capital to a new city called Akhetaten (present-day Tall al Amarinah, also seen as Tell al Amarna). At that time, the pharaoh, previously known as Amenhotep IV, adopted the name Akhenaten. His wife, Queen Nefertiti, shared his beliefs.

    Akhenaten’s religious ideas did not survive his death. His ideas were abandoned in part because of the economic collapse that ensued at the end of his reign. To restore the morale of the nation, Akhenaten’s successor, Tutankhamen, appeased the offended gods whose resentment would have blighted all human enterprise. Temples were cleaned and repaired, new images made, priests appointed, and endowments restored. Akhenaten’s new city was abandoned to the desert sands.

    .

    • Pete

      Egypt is overrated. I’m hoping NASA finds a pre-flood civilization on MARS ! Make the Egyptians look stupid.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner
        • Pete

          Thanks for the link Coal Miner. I’ll check it out.

          It all goes back to the Tower of Babel, Coal Miner ! The Egyptians had nothing on Nimrod and Semiramis.

  • JimH

    May 21 2011, 6:25 pm, STILL HERE.

    • Jana

      JimH,
      Me too :)

  • vicki

    Well, looks like we got left behind. :) But then again I have not seen any evidence of people missing.

    So if the rapture did happen it would appear that we all either got taken and this is the new place or did not get taken.

    • Kate8

      Yep. Still here, too.

      The sad thing is, Mr. Camping seems like a sincere fellow. He just keeps trying to find a way to decode God’s plans. I bet it really sucks to be him right now.

      If I were to try to second-guess God’s timeline, I’d go with the fall Feast of Trumpets, or the Feast when “no one knows the day nor the hour”. They know the month, and even the week, but not the moment.

      Christ’s first coming was fulfilled in the spring Feasts, His second coming, the fall. The seven Feasts of the Lord are said to be God’s prophetic timeline.

  • http://deleted Claire

    10:50 p.m. and I am still here. I am not making fun, like Kate8 said, ” no one knows the day nor the hour.” At the risk of sounding goofy, I want to be with my husband, my son and daughter, family, friends and my dogs when the time comes. I do not want to be at work, I don’t want to be alone, I want my loved ones around me.

    • http://naver samurai

      Is your husband not well? How is he? My wife also asks about him. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Thamera

      likewise Claire…well said.

  • Kate8

    Claire – How’s your husband doing? You were absent for awhile, and I was concerned.
    —————-
    When times get rough and scary, it’s normal for people to want a way out. All we can really do is keep on keeping on, doing our best to walk in God’s ways, and trusting that He has everything worked out.

  • http://yahoo Frank A.

    Sad all of your interpretation of scripture. If anything like a rapture were to occur, the righteous would never be taken from this earth. Evil shall be removed, or all who offend our Father in heaven. Jesus stated that in St. Matthews and it’s scripted in Proverbs. Read and understand the Bible for yourselves and stop taking false prophets words on such matters. St. Matthews 13; 41 and 49. Proverbs 10; 30. Read them for yourself and find some truth on your own.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Bob Livington,
    “Your comment is awaiting moderation”.

    WOULD You MIND telling me what is wrong with the links I posted?

    • libertytrain

      as has been mentioned several times by many of the posters, including by Bob Livingston – the filters automatically toss posts with multiple links to needs moderation or whatever it’s called.

      • Jana

        I noticed he was his normally rude self even as he posted to Bob Livingston.

        • libertytrain

          yes he does appear quite rude for someone utilizing this site provided us by Mr. Livingston. :)

          • http://naver samurai

            Because lins never learn. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • jopa

    Still not sure maybe the world ended.When I woke up the birds were singing the sun shining and I just felt real good all over.This may be heaven and I see Kate8, Claire,samurai and vicki made it also.I often wondered about Jeffh,Vigilant and Charles.Has anyone seen them yet today?If only they would have listened to me and cleaned up their acts.I am so worried about their souls .Oh well I will check back later.

    • Thamera

      While Jopa I have to admit your post made me laugh I can assure you that JeffH et al., are quite well duking it out on another forum with Bob W. and Jovi et al.

  • Eric Bischoff

    Has anyone noticed that Harold Camping has amassed $70 Millions from overly zealous sad little religious fools who believe him and donate money.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    To Bob Livington

    Coal miner says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    What in the hell going on?Those links are legit.

    • http://naver samurai

      Sometimes if you post two or more links, the post will go through moderation. It has happened to me before. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Anthony

    Well, here we are, 24 hours later and it looks like ALL my neighbors are still here. No great disappearances, like in the LEFT BEHIND christian movie series.

    Guess it was another false alarm.

    What say ye, Mr. Livingston?

  • Pete

    We still have a way to go until the Rapture. The word “Rapture” is derived from the Latin Vulgate, I think they used the word “Rapturos” in Thessalonians ? I hope I spelled it right …

    Makes you want to work out, and eat as healthy as you can, and take vitamins – try to live as long as you can. Some Christians are going to miss death. That’s awesome. I hope it happens in my lifetime..

  • Ronald, Maryland

    It seems the announced time of the Rapture has come and gone without any losses.

    But then, how would we know if a couple hundred million souls were taken home? Are we to trust the lying liberal media? The media who reports selectively, if at all, in accord with their masters agenda?

    Not I, but if the gangster government allows, I’ll stick around to see if Obama is re-elected in November of 2012 before making a commitment to, or praying for the Mayan calander ‘last day’ on December 21, 2012.

  • Kate8

    coal – That always happens when you post more than one link in a single post. You aren’t being singled out.

    Why bother, though.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    1320: Section 10: Akhenaten and Monotheism
    For instance, how alike are Hebrew and Egyptian monotheism? … Nor was there any real attempt by Egyptian monotheists to extend the aten’s power beyond …
    http://www.usu.edu/markdamen/1320hist%26civ/chapters/10AKHEN.htm

    • BigBadJohn

      It is very likely that the Hebrews belief in One God came from Akenatin. The exodus happened about 50 years after Akenatin was de-throned. I read one book that claimed that Moses actually was Akenatin. It is kind or stretch because of the age – but possible.

      Simple fact – ALL religions were first started were nothing more than cults – INCLUDING Christianity itself! Christianity had a very small following until one of the Roman Emperors was converted, then he proclaimed Christianity the state recognized religion. After that the Catholic church was formed, gee I wonder, is there any possibility the the Roman Empire and Catholic church manipulated the Bible?
      Is it possible that Christ was simply a cult leader? That is certainly what the Jews consider him…

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Take a look at their complex surgeries and sciences.

    http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/giza.html

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner
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  • eddie47d

    Don’t believe everything you hear especially from someone taking money to prove his foolish desires or predictions. Why would someone want all that money if the world will no longer exist? Camping was a con not a Christian.

    • http://naver samurai

      This I agree with you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • DC

    Thank everyone for their thoughts and debates. I have learned a few things and will pray that all will study the Bible and rightly divide the scriptures. Many of you will be glad to know that Jesus died once for all and that all we have to do is have faith, believe, and have a relationship with Jesus who God the Father gave that we might live. You will find in Romans that the commandments that Jesus said were the greatest sum up all of Gods commandments and that if God be for you who can be against you.
    It breaks my heart that we (Christians) have allowed the minority in this great country have allowed them to take God out of our schools and any where else they can, it is really showing up in the morals of the young folks today. Our government is filled with greedy, corrupt and down right evil politicians. I pray that it has not to late for this country to recover.

    • Jana

      DC,
      Excellent post and I agree wholeheartedly.

      • http://naver samurai

        Me too. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

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