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Driving With The Stars

February 27, 2013 by  

Driving With The Stars

“If I am your president, the first thing I would put into motion is that 10 years from the day I take office, no new car made in America is run on the internal combustion engine.” — George Clooney as Democratic Presidential candidate Mike Morris, in the 2011 movie “The Ides of March”

Many of the biggest names in Hollywood were out in full force Sunday at the Academy Awards. Many adopt highfalutin causes the way Madonna and Angelina Jolie adopt children. An important cause among the rich and famous is saving the Earth. Movie moguls’ and stars’ favorite tools for saving the Earth are electric cars, such as those that were on display at Global Green USA’s annual pre-Oscar party.

Lots of B-list stars were on hand at this year’s event, including Ed Begley Jr. from the early 1980s TV show “St. Elsewhere.” Begley arrived in his black Chevy Volt. reported: “Stars and green cars are nothing new–several have admitted to owning Toyota Prius in the past, while others have been spotted in Tesla Roadsters or Fisker Karmas.”

Excuse me, but I don’t like to be lectured how I should live my life from multimillionaires whose abuse of sex and drugs would prohibit their entrance into the gates of Sodom or Gomorrah. Besides, it is much more interesting to learn the opinion of one of the largest car manufacturers, Toyota, than it is to hear drivel from people whose basic job is to look good while pretending to be someone they are not.

Last fall, Toyota cancelled mass production plans of a soon-to-be launched eQ, which was to be a pure-electric variant of the Scion iQ.

“There are many difficulties,” Takeshi Uchiyamada, Toyota’s vice chairman, told Reuters in September, breaking ranks with other car companies that, for mostly public relations reasons, feel compelled to build and sell electric vehicles, also known as lemons.

Uchiyamada said, “The current capabilities of electric vehicles do not meet society’s needs, whether it may be the distance the cars can run, or the costs, or how it takes a long time to charge.”

Want a second opinion? Read this story published on Feb. 22 in the National Post under the headline “Electric Vehicles ‘20 To 30 Years’ From Mainstream Use.”

The Post interviewed Dennis DesRosiers, president of DesRosiers Automotive Consultants, which outlines future trends for automobile manufacturers.

Rather than just focusing on the fact that batteries still have not come up with a reliable way to move people over any reasonable distance, DesRosiers criticized the lack of infrastructure to recharge electric vehicles while they are on the road.

“It isn’t getting the charging station out there, and it doesn’t matter how sophisticated the charging station infrastructure is,” he told the National Post. “You don’t have the battery technology developed enough to be able to quick-charge in a matter of five or 10 minutes. We could be decades away from that.”

DesRosiers concluded: “You can build a case for electric vehicles, but they’re 20 or 30 years out before they have any sort of volume.”

While DesRosiers is critical of the lack of EV service stations, The New York Times took dead aim at the electric car itself this month in a scathing test drive report. Published on Feb. 8, the headline in the Times read “Stalled Out on Tesla’s Electric Highway.”

It took John Broder five times longer to drive the Tesla Model S from Washington, D.C., to Boston than it would have taken him to travel in a conventional car. In addition, the trip was riddled with angst, including technical problems and emergency stops to charge the battery. It ended with the total failure of the car, which had to be put on a flatbed truck (a process made more difficult because the car’s parking brake would not release). Per “Tesla’s range-maximization guidelines,” Broder set the cruise control at 54 mph. The speed limit was 65. The $101,000 car had to go slow because its batteries were seriously running out of juice. Recharge times took up to an hour when Broder was able to find places on his carefully planned trip, which included troubleshooting calls with Tesla technicians in California.

Predictably, there has been a backlash by the Greens, and Tesla went so far as to criticize the driver while vindicating the car. It’s not the car’s fault; it’s the driver’s.

Personally, I do not want to spend a fortune on a car that cannot go as fast as my first car, a 1972 Ford Pinto. Whose genius did this start with? A famous celebrity who has gainfully played the role of President of the United States for the past four years.

Broder reported:

The federal government has invested in the effort to find a solution. Three years ago, Steven Chu, the Nobel Prize-winning physicist and secretary of energy, proudly announced a $465 million loan to Tesla as part of an advanced vehicles program intended to cut fossil fuel use and address global warming.

The loan to Tesla would “begin laying the foundation for American leadership in the growing electric vehicles industry,” Dr. Chu said.

On Feb. 1, Chu announced that he will not serve a second term as head of the U.S. Department of Energy. Apparently, Chu sees the end of the road is coming for his polices, and he wants a quick getaway. My guess is that he will not be taking it in a Tesla.

And don’t expect President Barack Obama or the first lady and their entourage to be traveling in electric limos. For one thing, such vehicles are too heavy to be moved by a puny electric engine. Even if the horsepower existed, it would not be reliable or safe transportation. They are what the rest of us should drive, however.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers
Myers’ Energy and Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • independent thinker

    When they make an electric vehicle I can afford that can pull a 5,000+ pound load 200 miles over hills and mountains at current speed limits without recharging I will consider one.
    When they make an electric vehicle I can afford that can travel 500+ miles at current speed limits without recharging I will consider one.
    When they make an electric vehicle I can afford that I can fit in without feeling cramped along with the above mentioned criteria I will consider one.
    There is one other thing the electric vehicle must be at least as dependable as my current gas powered vehicle is and I have not had a minhutes trouble with it in the 5 years I have owned it.

    • Harold Olsen

      Here in Washington state, where I live, the idiots in Olympia urged people to buy and drive electric cars. Many people did. So, how did the idiot politicians in Olympia reward them? By deciding to levy a tax of $100 a year on electric car owners. When the owners of electric cars heard about this, many got rid the cars.

      • http://Arkybill.cominprogress Bill Henry

        There ya go. They will find a way to tax electric vehicles to death, that is if they ever make that will meet the needs of the people who own them. That’s the way politicians look at things. If it moves and people use it we will tax them. You have to remember that they will lose the revenues gathered from gasoline taxes if we all decide to use an electric vehicle. Have you ever seen a tax removed from anything.?

        • Jeff

          Would you prefer toll roads? Or are you going to personally build and maintain the roads?

  • Harold Olsen

    Celebrities are the biggest hypocrites around when it comes to “saving the earth.” Yeah, they may own or drive electric cars when they want publicity, but most of them drive gasoline powered cars just like everyone else. They are a bunch of two-bit phoneys and they aren’t even worth two-bits.

    • eddie47d

      If you don’t like electric cars don’t buy one for I don’t see any arm twisting going on to do so. No one forced anyone to buy gas guzzling Hummers either and most people who bought them had regrets. There will always be flops in the auto market but why start this article off with a quote from a fictional movie. Was that the teaser and you all took the bait so you can go rouge on Hollywood? It took years even decades to get our phone network going through fits and starts. Electricity was also a priceless commodity when it was first developed. Few except for the very wealthy had it in their homes or businesses yet now everyone has it. Including the poorest of poor. Much improvement needs to be done with the electric car and refueling stations need to be built (Walgreens has them). I reckon we all want instant progress or we reject it all together!

      • independent thinker

        “I reckon we all want instant progress or we reject it all together!”

        No eddie we do not reject it altogether as you put it. Just like with the examples you give we reject it as a solution for the masses until it is developed to the point it is affordable and practical (can go several hundred miles on one charge, can be recharged in 30 minutes or less, etc.) and can do what we do with our current vehicles.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Not to mention when they fly their little private jets all over, they usually burn more fuel in one flight than you and I burn in our auto’s in a whole year. Hypocrites is right. They are Pharisee’s.

  • FreedomFighter

    Antenna To Replace Batteries And Provide Unlimited Free Energy

    N. Tesla solved all this a long time ago…

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

    • Vicki

      There is the little matter of power. Not much in that little antenna in the video. Inverse square law is a B*. Well except without it we could not exist. It would be way too hot here.

      • FreedomFighter

        I dont pretend to understand how Mr Tesla did what he did, but if you research it, you will find “he did it”, the vehical ran all day long “all steel car”.

        If I understood how he did it, I would replicate it and give it to the world.

        Laus Deo
        Semper FI

      • Dave67


        “Give it to the world?” Not very conservative or capitalist of you. Tesla indeed made it happen but this whole “free energy” deal did not sit well with Thomas Edison and the other capitalists so it was shut down. Thats why you don’t read about Tesla in the history books.

        Their motto is:

        “If you can’t make a dollar off it, it should not be done”

      • FreedomFighter

        Dave they were MONOPOLY men — nothing wrong with making a profit from a real service, but to stiffle invention, bury ideas, ruin men and create a monopoly over something to squeeze money out of people is — a crime against humanity.

        Always another way to profit with the best intentions for society and the world.

        Laus Deo
        Semper FI

      • Capitalist at Birth

        FF Can you document this, what I believe to be an internet fabrication? I have not seen any printed material that supports this story as being factual. If you can please respond as to where I may obtain it, I would be most appreciative.

      • independent thinker

        Capitalist at Birth Tesla did show that you could transmit energy through the air wirelessly. I beleive he used microwaves to do this. I am not saying it is or is not a workable solution but he did show it can be done.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        To all of the commenters above. Tesla ended his days pretty much as a mentally ill person and a “crackpot”. He DID contribute to the world of science, but the only place you will find anyone touting his “miracles” is on crackpot science websites or right wing-nut conspiracy sites. Don’t waste your time looking up anything about him or reading any posts on PLD that mention his name. He is irrelevant to modern day science.

        One of his best known “ideas” for powering ships at sea was to send “energy” through the atmosphere from a tower on shore to a tower on the ship. Only one small problem—to reach the altitude where that MIGHT have been possible, the towers would have to be ~50 miles tall. The ships would have had a small bit of trouble going under bridges, I think. If you DO look that one up, you will see some nice drawings illustrating this—-not to scale, of course, because you’d need a sheet of paper many dozens of yards long to show the relative size of the tower for a ship that was one inch long.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Not sure what Vicki is talking about with the “inverse square law, size of the antenna, or it being too hot here”, but she is on the right track in being suspicious of the idea of “free and unlimited power”.

        This clip that FF posted is either a joke or the worst piece of science I’ve seen since the last time I looked at a “Tesla clip” or one of Frank’s comments on global warming.

        Lord love a duck, FF! You CAN’T be serious when you say “N. Tesla solved all this a long time ago…” Tell us you’re joking.

  • Peter

    This is absolutely fallacious John, you have no basis in genuine knowledge or research, and you exhibit an undeniable penchant for bathing in the past ubiquitous glories of the petrol-guzzling greats of the 1950′s. Just because new technology may not be where the mass market wants it to be right now, does not make it a failure or useless. If the auto industry had not been so blind in the past, and developed electric cars from the time they were first mooted instead of burying good developing technology, we would have been much farther along than we are now. It’s high time we began to abandon the internal combustion engine for domestic use, because we cannot keep crapping in our own nests, polluting our own oxygen, especially when so much of it is being wantonly destroyed by other people and other means. Time to grow up and open you eyes and your mind.

    • Sgt. York

      big words,big speech and no real action, Ecars will possibly be here in 20 plus years but for now its the good ol big gas engines. You get used it its the truth.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        What journals do you subscribe to that predict that the battery technology will have advanced enough to make this feasible at an economical price? I have not read any valid articles supporting a contention of twenty years. Do you know how long it has taken to get to where we are now?

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “What journals do you subscribe to that predict that the battery technology will have advanced enough to make this feasible at an economical price?”

        I have read many times in various places that the battery technology would advance enough to make the electric car practical in 20-25 years. I first read this at least 30 years ago and am still waiting for it to happen.

        On another note in the places the electric car is most practical, the big cities such as New York, Chicago, etc., a large percent of the people live in apartments without access to garages to park their vehicles in while they recharge.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      It is MY air as well as it is yours. Who are you to say what I may or may not transport myself. You are the one who has an immature thought process based in wishful thinking, and needs to open your eyes and your ears.

      • Inferior Midwesterner

        Copy that Capitalist. I love the self-anointed Lords of the Earth who believe they are uniquely in a position to pass judgement and dictate to the rest of us poor dumb commoners as to what is important and how we should conduct our lives. If you desire that type of authority then follow our democratic priniciples and run for public office. And please stop the unconscionable Obama technique of making bald assertion of “facts” without specifics around these “facts” e.g. auto industry “burying” developing green car technology? Peter, please tell me what you are referring to with this statement and maybe I could be persuaded to your view. As to the Hollywood Hypocrites, I am willing to wager that those green cars they drive around for show are parked in their garages next to a few of those evil gas guzzling Bentleys, Porsches, and Mercedes.

      • nc

        Capitalist, what about that little acknowledged fact that you knuckle draggers IGNORE? OIL AND COAL ARE NOT FOREVER!
        I have 2 grandchildren due in April! I would like for them to be born into a world planning for the day their grandchildren might face the fact that COAL AND OIL HAVE LEFT THE BUILDING!! HOW PRECIOUS WILL AN ALTERNATIVE FUEL BE THEN??? The greater the population the quicker that day will arrive and the population is getting “GREATER” everyday! As long as your kind has enough gasoline to get to the shooting range and back all is well.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        What geological facts support your contention, that oil, coal, and gas are not forever? Do you know that they are being produced as we speak, right now under the earths surface? Yes they take a long time, but by the time our supplies run out we will probably have been struck by a meteor or the planet will be so hot that it is unlivable for human life because we are constantly moving closer to the sun. Who cares? I need to have SAFE, reliable, affordable transportation NOW, because I refuse to live in an inner city tenement with the likes of you, nc. I still have freedom of association. Did you realize that?

      • independent thinker

        nc it is obvious you left your brain in bed when you got up this morning. No one is saying to stop research on improving renewable energy sources or electric vehicles. They are saying the technology does not yet exist to make electric vehicles practical as a primary source of transportation or even a frequently used secondary source and the same is true for renewable energy. Until such happens we are stuck with what we have and that is fossil fuels. When an electric or other alternate power source vehicle is developed that I can afford and meets my needs I will consider it until then I will stick with my pickup and my wife’s car for all our transportation needs.

        • LeaderDesslokOfPlanetGamalon

          So Ind Thinker, what if the technology exists today? What if we could have a cleaner energy system for all that would be renewable, and almost free? Many would say that Big OIL would buy them out to suppress the new technology. NOT TRUE!! The fed gov would seize their patent! Don’t believe me, then do a little research! Before WWII the government could only seize patents that were military in nature–which makes sense. You don’t want your citizens selling military breakthroughs to your enemies. Now AFTER WWII Congress passed a law saying that any patent could be seized that would threaten, the economy, or life as we now know it! So google several inventors that have had their patents seized by good ol’ Uncle Sam! Some of these seized patents will shock and anger you–trust me!!! ANd this is NOT some conspiracy theory–look it up in the US patent office if you doubt the articles you find!!!!!!!!

      • Peter

        Inferior Midwesterner, I don’t know how long you have been on this earth, and I do not judge you, however, for many years good and qualified inventors and entrepreneurs have been showing the world electric vehicles capable of varying degrees of domestic usefulness.
        None of these vehicles have been heard of since, save the politically motivated Prius and one or two others.
        Now, the mega gas-guzzling capitalists and petrol-sniffers on here will automatically say that these vehicles were useless.
        History declares otherwise.
        A lot of corporate espionage and whistle-blowing by honest folks has disclosed that major auto manufacturers globally have habitually purchased the rights to technologies which compete with the internal combustion engine, then have buried said technology, never to see the light of day again.
        One recent example of this is ‘Who Killed the Electric Car?’
        Now, I know there will be many rednecks on this page who will find some wanton excuse to debunk what I claim, but truth will out. If you care to do your own honest, repeat HONEST research, willing to challenge your habitual way of thinking, you will discover that what I say is true, and we are indeed doing our children a major disservice by perpetuating the gasoline myth.

  • John Higgins

    What almost everyone forgets about electric cars is that the electricity must be generated somehow. Even if we could eliminate internal combustion engines, the same amount of greenhouse gasses would be released through electricity generation. Nothing in life is free.

    • Robert Smith

      Absolutely false. With nuclear, solar, or wind power no gasses are released.


      • Liberty Lover

        I’ll bet you bash nuclear power also, Rob, except when it happens to suit your very silly argument.

      • John Higgins

        Nuclear is politically incorrect and will not be allowed to increase. Solar is too expensive to be economic. Also, it takes an enormous amount of energy to manufacture solar panels. Wind is too undependable for mass generation of electricity (calm day = no electricity that day.) Like it or not, electric generation is dependent on fossil fuels for many years to come. That fact makes electric cars impractical for years to come. Add that to battery technology, and we are decades away from practical and economic electric cars.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        The cost of the electricity generated by all three of these sources is greater than the cost of natural gas or coal generated power. Read and think before you speak next time, Rob.

      • Adolf Schmidt

        There are several cities in Asia higher pollution problems due to electric cars! They tend to use coal a lot over there I guess. Their findings were, internal combustion engines would lower the air pollution over electric cars charge with electricity generated with coal! Until we can generate electricity in a greener manner, make electric cars without making huge amounts of pollutants, increase range and reliability, and reduce the cost, this will only be a fad followed by the rich and self righteous!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Solar and wind power has been proven to be both very expensive, and highly unreliable. Not only that, talk to someone who has the responsibility of paying for repairs on one of those huge eye sore propeller looking ugly ass wind turbines in the fields, and ask them when it breaks down, how much it costs for a repairman, if you can get one, to come out and fix it. Yeah thats right, anything with moving parts will break down and need repairs and preventative maintenance on it. Normal folks cannot afford to have one of these put up, let alone paying to maintain it. But of course, you liberal democrats think that the government should pay for and provide everything to you, so that isnt something you obviously have taken into consideration. Its always a simple solution when things are being paid for with other peoples money. My money isnt going to purchase one of these, or a stupid electric car that in 5 -7 years I have to drop a couple grand into new batteries, then pay to discard the old ones, and only be able to drive 100 miles at a time without plugging in for at least 8 hours. Highly, in-efficient. High priced. Not for me. End of story.

      • Don 2

        Solar and wind account for just over 2% of the electricity produced in America. Most of our electricity is still produced in coal-fired power plants. A new nuclear plant has not been built in over 30 years.

        Internal combustion engines, like it or not, will be around for many years to come. And for all you greenies out there, when it comes to vehicles, size does matter. The smaller and lighter the vehicles become in order to satisfy Obama’s mileage requirements, the more likely you will end up kissing your own butt in an accident.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        I read somewhere that to power Chicago with solar generated electricity would require at minimum covering the rest of Illinois 100% with solar panels.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        If buster would read somewhere other than on wing-nut propaganda sites—-maybe instead on sites where real FACTS are presented, he might come across this one “A 100-mile-by-100-mile solar thermal installation in the American Southwest could meet the ENTIRE COUNTRY’S ENERGY NEEDS”. That area is just a little larger than the amount of land in the entire U.S. that has been strip-mined for coal.

        The area of Illinois is about 55,000 square miles, so 10,000 square miles of it covered by solar panels could power the entire country and still leave 80+% free to grow corn.

        I wish people would refrain from posting such horsepucky. Either they know the truth and lie to us because they’re propagandists, or they’re too lazy to really check things out.

    • Liberty Lover

      Right you are, John, but in the green mind those electric utilities will eventually get all their power from the sun and the wind.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Green minds? Do you mean immature and inexperienced minds? Minds from Alice in Wonderland, perhaps?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Or, perhaps, minds from “Never Never Land?”

  • johnd

    Actors call themselves artists. They aren’t creating paintings or sculptures or beautiful music. By impersonating people that don’t exist or interpreting their version of those that did exist, their art is actually perfecting the lie.

    When liars are given more credence in the society than the people who actually produce something there is something very wrong.

    • Alex

      What an ultra-maroon…

    • Karolyn

      I’d like to see you do it john.

    • Jeff

      Is a playwright an artist? If so, who will bring his words alive if not an actor? It’s really a very silly “argument” you’re attempting to make. Who’s better – Brando or Picasso? Babe Ruth or Valentino? Have a good time.

      • johnd

        In a capitalist society money and power goes to the demand for the product. My silly ‘argument’ was not about comparing Valentino to Ruth. In my area many stores that produce a necessary product are going out of business. Factory and farm workers are out of work. Then on TV I see an actor wearing a dress that would take me 6 months wages to pay for. My point is that it is out of whack when there is more capitalist demand for fantasy and entertainment than the necessities.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Has anyone asked the question, as to how much electricity it takes to charge the batteries? What is the kilowatt per mile cost? What is the fuel (electrical charging) cost per mile? You can use all forms of electricity production, or if you are a true green freak, you may use only solar or wind created electricity to compute the costs. Has anyone asked the cost of replacing the batteries and electric motors? How long will they last? I know a lithium ion battery for a hand held power tool will last for 2000 to 2500 charges and then it is done. This was a pie in the sky idea from the very beginning. All of you Totalitarians need to quit having your wet dreams at everyone else expense..

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Not only that, but what are the ramifications of stockpiling all these dead car batteries when it comes time to start mass changing them? You and I and all of us know there will be some kind of fee for these when getting rid of them, and of course you will have mass amounts of people who wont want to pay that, and will dump them in ditches and over hills into woods, and then we will have the contamination all over from these batteries, even from those who are legally disposing of them. Sooner or later they will start leaking crap out everywhere. But hey, its green man. What a waste of time and money.

    • Don 2

      The bulk of our electricity is still produced by burning coal. The more electric vehicles on the road, the more coal we burn. It is a catch 22.

      I recall reading an article about ‘hybrid’ vehicles. The batteries at the time of the article were estimated to last around 100,000 miles, at which point, they were about $8,000.00 to replace.

      The recycling of the hybrid vehicles, particularly their batteries, was also much more difficult and expensive than the recycling of internal combustion vehicles.

  • astoundedbyidiots

    My question in all of this is where do they think the electricity comes from? Oh yeah…could that be coal? What idiots.

  • Ken10

    Hybrids (not all electric) like the Toyota Prius are pretty successful passenger cars. I drive a conventional ’06 Civic (40mpg hwy) and keep my 1500 long bed for gardening. Fossil fuels are just going to become more expensive as time goes on; as other economies recover and increase demand, and less of it becomes available. As fossil fuels become depleted new technologies may not be able to get what’s left out of the ground at a reasonable cost. Especially if environmental damage (which can show up as public health costs) are included in costs calculations. I think we should move to renewables as they become practical. Their costs are more likely to remain stable or decrease. My next car is likely to be a used Prius.

    • The Christian American

      If left to do it, the free market will tell us the best and cheapest way to commune. That goes for practically of man’s inventions. Better and cheaper. In engineering there is a saying: Make it simple stupid.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Ken10, Ma’am. let us know when you become a Man.

      • Ken10

        ? You seem a little off topic.

  • Dave67

    Hey, if you can afford that gas that the refiners, the speculators, OPEC and big oil have been puching up prices since Bush invaded Iraq, by all means. Enjoy…. Big Oil is making ridiclous money and laughing all the way to the bank. Check the revenue of these firms. Since Phill Gramm, Economic traitor from TX relaxed the rules on speculation in the oil market, we now have most of the pricing incrases coming from two major sources… The refiners that have the ability to shut down at will so they can make a bigger buck and wall street… so if Iran even hints at causing trouble, that is enough to send the price of oil through the roof on Wall Street.

    Its criminal. Screwing the whole of the US Economy so firms can have a larger bottom line.

    Since nobody here supports a nationalized oil industry where oil found here in America is used for this country and we let the gangsters on Wall Street and the Oil industry control things… We need more electric cars and more people driving them. The power of the “free market” needs to be used against these economic traitors to this country.

    Anything we can do to make electric cars better and cheaper, I am all for it.

    • Don 2

      The power of the free market you say… when Obama made himself CEO of General Motors? Now, there’s a free market for you….no government influence there.

      • Dave67

        You need to read the book from the former GM CEO for some education. Without that bailout, GM may or may not have been salvaged (AT THE TIME THERE WERE ZERO BUYERS) Where it really would have hurt us is the supplier firms that were smaller and not getting any sort of bailout. They would have shut their doors and that would have what effect on the unemployment rate? The larger effect would be a big negative hit on the country’s confidence.

        Obama did the right thing.

        But we are talking about the oil industry where there is no REAL competition. We should be making electric, wind, solar more affordable and more effecient for any sort of “market” forces to work. Oil works actively to stop such competition. NOT GOOD.

        • tony newbill

          No Dave67 Obama DID NOT do the right thing . What he should have done as a True supporter of free market Capitalism was to do with GM what all the other things Bush did to destroy the Free market trust with the Financial mergers and consolidation and DID NOT DO which was to Create a bride Loan to back stop these corps insisting that the Boards of the corps fire the CEO and all administrative personnel who took the risks that put these corps in the positions they were in .

          With the Big banks already in the Federal Reserve window sucking funding out the ability to backstop these Reorganizations of GM and other entities could have been strategically done and the debt on the books at Obama’s federal Government would not be as Huge , but that would have uninterrupted the SCAM Old Henry was Talking about huh ???
          Think about all that excess liquidity that Obama supporters in the hierarchy have funneled off with all these Government appropriations and takeovers …. HA HA The Old bait and switch that Bush set up beautifully for the Democrats to Plunder and bath in the financial misery of the poor unexpected Taxpayer thats coming in the near future …..

          Either Bush was Eunuch by the democrats after they took over the Government in 2006 because of the Iraqi war and the threat of underfunding it before any kind of progress was attained or He is one of the hierarchy who believe the time has come to roll up the side walks on the American peoples ability to have a Unfettered Access to seek the highest levels of prosperity because of The elites view of World Overpopulation .

      • Don 2


        No, I don’t need to read “the book” whatever that is, and I seriously doubt that you read “the book” since you did not offer the name of “the book” or even the name of the “former CEO.” But you do need to have some facts to offer other than “the book” in order to make a viable argument.

        You are correct about one thing: there is no REAL competition for oil in electric, wind, or solar technology.

        You really need to stop villifying oil as some sort of evil devil product. Oil comes from the earth, it is there to use. Oil is going to be needed for quite some time to come, and we have an estimated 100+ year supply right here in North America.

      • Jeff

        So you’d prefer a purist free market approach even if it meant the end of the US auto industry. I didn’t realize Obama’s oath included fealty to Adam Smith and The Cato Institute. God help us if we ever have a President you’d approve of.

        • tony newbill

          Jeff and Dave67 the problem with the way Obama went about taking over the system is that you cannot Communist a Free Market and not jeopardize the Trust in it . The scare that ITS OVER Capitalism has failed is further expressed with Obama speaking last year at Kansas City , and so then the Fed just has to keep an Unlimited Monetizing going to make up for the lack of trust that’s needed to bring the private bond buyers back and this debt that mounting is driving the wedge between trust in financial balance farther and farther apart to the point that a total collapse will come like it did for those Bond Holders of GM . Its obvious Obama and Co. don’t have faith in the free market system but is trying to Bring everyone down easy to the idea that Fundamental Transformation will be a Better way of Life without coming right out and saying so and that is where and why the people are divided .

          As far as Oil and Alternative energy goes , the Investment capital requirements for development of any energy at this point is further compromised the further and bigger the debt gets .
          Read this Gals writings on the subject , and check out all the other stuff she has wrote about , she is a very wise person .

      • Dave67

        Don 2,

        You have those special “reading into” glasses that conservatives like to wear.

        The man is Ed Whitacre and the book is “Turnaround” I figured since it was not germain to this discussion I did not need to give it.

        Oil is not an evil product (never said it was), but the power the oil industry has over our economy, our representatives in Congress is .

        Here is another educational opportunity for you. The oil produced in this country does not stay in America (NEWSFLASH). It goes to the oil market. The oil from the Keystone Pipeline? It leaves NA to go into the oil market. The consumer does not benefit. 90% of the benefit goes into the oil industry and wall street pockets.

        Again to make it crystal for you… oil, not evil… Oil industry’s influence and practices, not good.

      • Don 2

        Wow Dave, you googled that pretty quick. Now try this: “Iacocca: An Autobiography”, and learn how an expert businessman turns around an auto company.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      The major reason for the current cost of gasoline in the Obama administration policies on preventing the development of energy resources on public lands and off shore, as well as the devaluation of the dollar by the Federal Reserve unwarranted printing of money to purchase T-bills to support our deficit spending, These two combined with the fact that the federal government is spending over 24% of GDP which is equal to the percentage we were spending during World War II. Where did you study economics, on the back of a Wheaties box?

      • tony newbill

        Dave67 don’t be foolish thinking their going to have a solution of any kind , they DON”T WANT all to Prosper !!!! They see earth as Peaking and by empowering all to Prosper would cause further harm to Earths Eco system !!!!
        The Elite see earth as running out of Resources to promote Unfettered gorwth to continue in any capacity .

      • Dave67

        CAB, Not true… we are extracting more oil from the lower 48 than we have in decades, the keystone pipeline is moving forward after Trancanada agreed to move the line away from the sensitive parts of NE (its under construction right now in TX and OK).

        In the Clinton and Bush 2 Administration the number of refiners shrank because they were allowed to consolidate at will. There was only one contested merger in that industry in the 16 years of both administrations. The economic traitor Phill Gramm snuck into an ominbus spending bill in 2000, the relaxation of speculatory oil regs. The result has been steadily rising oil prices… The only appreciable dip happened in 2008 when the stock market crashed in Sept of that year.

        Obama’s policies are a red herring. Nice try though.

      • Dave67

        Oh and BTW CAB,

        Did you EVER study cause and effect? Obama has ZERO to do with the Iraq war, how the majority of the Afghanistan war was ran, the selling out of our manufacturing base, the deregulation that caused the recession in Dec of 2007.

        You spend all this energy putting blame on Obama and you say nothing about Reagan, Clinton and those various Congresses that did the real damage.

        Obama can’t even be this big spender you claim him to be because the House and the filibuster senate prevents it.

        Where did you study history??? Faux News?

        • Jeff

          The ironic thing is during every recent recession with a republican as president, aid to states for teachers, police, and fire fighters has increased. Under Obama, it’s decreased because the Republicans will do anything to hurt the economy and make Obama look bad. And Obama is branded a socialist. If these people had brains, they’d be dangerous.

      • Don 2

        Oh Jeff, believe me, Obama doesn’t need any help looking bad. lol

        • Jeff

          He was born looking bad to your crowd.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Who cares what these Hollywood Hypocrites say. They are so out of touch with reality, that they havent a clue. They think of themselves as so much better than the rest of us, that they should be allowed to go to the general public with their views and opinions, and we should all listen to them, because after all, they are all that. Its funny how these Hollywood liberals are all filthy rich, yet they label the Republicans as being rich guys trying to protect rich guys from paying taxes, when they themselves are the rich guys, masquerading as the protectors of the poor, when they have no use for the middle class or poor what so ever. It just makes them feel so good that they can tell themselves that they stand with the poor, as they fly around in their private jets, then driven in their chaufuer driven limo’s, to a 4000.00 a plate dinner. Maybe if they put their money where their mouths are, and put 10 percent of every dime they make into a Church offering as a start of their giving, then gave beyond that to the poor, maybe they would become believable. But as it is, they are not any different that the guys you read about in the Bible, that are called Pharisee’s. They appear at all the right places and put themselves out front and say “look at me, I am special”, and they talk a good game about taking care of the less fortunate and such, but just as the Pharisee’s, its all words to make people think of them as good. When indeed, they are just a bunch of rich spoiled hypocrites.

    • cawmun cents

      While I agree with your sentiments,I would hesitate in saying that the actors share anything in common with religious zealots.
      However in keeping with ancient tradition,they are Hypocrites….that is exactly what actors were called in the ancient world.

  • The Christian American

    Who are the stars but nothing more than idols, which are referenced in the Ten Commandments by the way. These people earn their livings by selling themselves as a commodity. Good for them but what about us? Are these commodities going to run our lives, houses us, cloth us, feed us, educate us and on and on? Do we bury our own identity by letting their lives takeover ours? According to MSNBC and practically all of the other media sources we do. We turn over our lives, liberties and properties to them by simply doing what they say politically, materially and many other ways. There’s what? 300 some odd million of us and how many of us turn to websites like Personal Liberty for enlightenment of what’s going on around us compared with news of the stars? When it comes to the stars and people in general we are definitely a two class society, the idols and their groupies. I like the rest of us appreciate talent but in my opinion talented people are few and far between. The emphasis on stars is part of the dumbing down of America.

    • Dave67

      And we voted for one of these “idiots” twice… You remember Ronnie Reagan don’t you?

      Most of these “stars” came from meager backgrounds. Many of the current crop of “industry captains” came from money so how is their perspective???… You now these people… The ones that lobby congress everyday and change the laws to benefit themselves because they have the political access.

      Your statements are funny to say the least.

      • Don 2


        Yes, I do remember Ronnie Reagan. You mean Ronnie Reagan, the 33rd. Governor of California(1967 – 1975). Is that the Ronnie Reagan you meant?

      • Dave67

        Yes Don,

        The Hollywood Actor, part of the “out of touch elite” crowd. They guy that tripled our national debt, allowed 200 Marines to be blown up with no response, the guy that led the fight to ease credit and banking rules and regs. Under whose watch worker productivty continued to rise but salaries stagnated, made us more dependent on oil…

        Yeah, that guy.

      • Don 2

        Gee Dave, I was thinking more of Ronnie Reagan, who is credited with bringing down the Berlin Wall, ending Soviet domination of East Germany, bankrupting the U.S.S.R., and bringing the U.S. seven years of prosperity vs. Barack Obama, who has created more debt than all of the former presidents from Washington to Clinton combined, is bankrupting the U.S. and incurring debt at a record pace.

      • Dave67

        Don, of course you believe the propaganda the right started the minute Reagan left. The policy of containment was not started by reagan, it was Truman and Eisenhower. Reagan like, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy before him merely followed the protocol. Then there is the little issue of the USSR’s economic model that was wildly ineffecient. (Are you saying otherwise?) Reagan did his part and the music stopped on his watch.

        Economic prosperity? Lets see… he made credit cards easier to get so the middle class and poor can mask their reduced economic power, tripled our debt and brought the whole tax cut and spend policy of the GOP into being. His policies helped get us the collapse of 2007. Yeah, a real economic genius… Thats why when the economy collapsed all of Reagan’s economic advisors collectively said “oops, we were wrong”… Stockman, Greenspan etc. Reagan was style over substance personified.

      • Don 2

        Dave 67,

        I see you are re-writing the history books again to fit your Communist agenda.

  • omanuel

    Actors can easily become tools of propaganda, without the willing consent of the actor.

    Acting doesn’t depend on quantitative reasoning: How is the electricity generated?

    Even scientists can deceive themselves into accepting ego-inflating nonsense as rational.

    After 1945 many stars in the acting, scientific and political community helped undermine the unalienable right to self-governance of family members and friends, believing that they were working for noble goals – World Peace and an End to Nationalism !

    I personally endorse those noble goals, but not at the expense of our constitutional form of government.

    - Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

    • nc

      Omanuel, so was that Conservative Republican drunk, Joe McCarthy, telling everyone he was “doing good” for America in his spotlight grabbing witch hunt for “communist” in the ARTS and the Army> He died in disgrace ,communism never took over and AMERICA WENT ABOUT BEING THE NUMBER ONE NATION IN THE WORLD! except for those whose lives he needlessly wrecked! IT WASN’T JUST ACTORS WHO WERE THE FALSE PROPHETS OF THE 40S AND 50S!! CONSERVATIVES IN CONGRESS WERE PULLING THAT SAME WAGON!

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Who’s lives did he needlessly wreck? Can you prove any of your contentions? From all that I have read Joseph McCarthy was more correct than your false allegations. He will be a hero to the anti communists, FOREVER. It is a known fact that communists infiltrated the government, educational institutions, entertainment, and journalism beginning in earnest in the 1930′s. Where did you receive your education, from a Cracker Jax box?

        • tony newbill

          By letting the environmentalist Marxists rule the monetary Policy Obama has Stopped supply-side growth and Innovation from being realized at a GDP of 4-5 % that would secure Supply and allow Prosperity for all .
          So rather than having Prosperity for all we have a Growing Rate of property , and this will place the Citizens of the USA in a security risk from a Lack of Supply very soon , and the reaction by Government in a Supply Shortage History shows has been very catastrophic !!!!!

          Without government funding, and without the fiat printing press at the Federal Reserve to feed that funding, the veil of financial recovery fades away, not just in the stock market, but everywhere. All the poverty that has remained hidden for the past five years will suddenly be visible on our streets and doorsteps. Welfare programs to individuals and to states ARE the modern day soup lines. When they go, those reliant on them have nowhere to turn.

          Read more at ;

      • speedle

        Yeah that’s right nc. You keep drinking that hollywood kool-aid. All hollywood has been personally skewering McCarthy for 50 years (tell the lie long enough and loud enough and the sheep will believe).

        Can you imagine how busy McCarthy would be in 2013 chasing Commies in the government, academia and the media? Hell, he would have to have a bigger staff than even Michelle Obama to keep up with the paperwork.

        • Jeff

          McCarthy never found a Communist in his life, and Ted Cruz won’t either. His career will be as short-lived as was McCarthy’s. Lies, invective, and guilt by association do not a statesman make.

      • omanuel


        There’s a bit of good in the worst of us,
        and A bit of bad in the best of us,
        but We are all children of our Creator,

        Frankly, I had a low opinion of Joseph McCarthy.
        Now I think he may have been smarter than me.

      • Don 2

        nc and Jeff,

        Why, did Joe McCarthy and the House Un-American Activities Committee actually believe in a communist conspiracy(that our government was riddled with Soviet agents) – except for the fact that our government was actually riddled with Soviet agents, a fact that was verified when Moscow opened its intelligence files after the fall of the U.S.S.R.

    • Jeff

      And what is your opinion of the Supreme Court’s latest 5-4 decision denying standing to those seeking to overturn the surveillance aspects of the rewritten FISA law?

  • Don 2

    My response to Hollywood: The more actors and musicians who speak out in support of Obama and his policies ~ the longer my list grows of actors whose movies I will not pay to see, and musicians whose music I will not purchase.

    • Jeff

      I’m sure Hollywood is quaking in its boots. Another right wing geriatric won’t go to the movies or purchase CDs.

      • cawmun cents

        Wont purchase stuff made in China or India either…..if that makes me right wing then I wear that title with pride.-CC.

      • Don 2

        Wrong Jeffrey. I probably purchase much more music than you, and I am far from being the only one who will not finance artists, who in turn financed Obama, and are contributing to the destruction of America.

        When the sh/t hits the fan Jeffrey Boy, and it will if Obama’s policies are allowed to continue, these people, with all their money, received from low-information voters like yourself, will be gone. You Jeffrey Boy, however, will still be here, in the streets of anarchy.

        • Jeff

          I take it you’re a fan of austerity. Let me tell you how that movie ends. It always turns out badly. Until we reverse all the Bush tax cuts and restore full investment in infrastructure, education, and research and development, we will not have a vibrant economy. The right wing approach of cutting everything will lead to disaster. Bernanke has warned the Congress, but I’m not holding my breath the Republicans will do anything sensible. They know how to gerrymander and hold onto power, but whenever they have to govern, it’s a total disaster.

      • Don 2

        Bernanke hah,

        So, last year they said we were borrowing 42 cents for every dollar we spent. This year, they’re saying we are borrowing 46 cents for every dollar we spend. Gee, Jeffrey Boy…..what could possibly go wrong?

      • Jeff


        I see no relationship between avoiding products made in China and specifically avoiding movies made by actors who support Obama. If you do, sobeit.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        If you think that “investing” in anything is so great, may I suggest you do it with your wealth, and not steal it from others who may not agree with your investment ideas. You are a lazy cowardly thief, pure and simple. You are a totalitarian collectivist of the 10th degree. Sad but true, Jeff.

        • Jeff

          If you think government investment has not been central to the development of virtually all the technologies we currently use, you are a dinosaur. Your disapproval of me is devastating.

      • Old Henry

        Don2, Jeff is one of those sorts who does not buy music CDs either. He pirates it off the internet for free…

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Don2, I am totally agree with you and support your UNSUPPORT of the Kenyan CRIMINAL’s deranged supporters.

        Only Libtards like Jeffry would support the ugliness like this:

        P.S Please PASS IT ON to all your e-mail contacts.

        • Jeff

          OMG! A Diva is concerned about her public image. Alert the NY Times at once!!!

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Don2, Old Henry, Cawmun cents and Capitalist at Birth,

        Did you sign the Orly Taitz’ petition to Congress to investigate of the Criminal-in-chief’s use of forged IDs.

        42,792 Americans already signed it. Clock is ticking. Act now!
        Please PASS IT ON to all your e-mail contacts. Thanks.

        For Orly’s Reports go to her website … orlytaitzesq

        “Fiat justitia ruat caelum” – “Let justice be done though the heavens fall”

        P.S. Libtards like Jeffry are hating her, the Thug-in-chief is afraid of her.
        Please support her FIGHT for OUR country. She can’t do it alone.

        • AmericanGirl

          SIGNED; DELIVERED & PASSED ON ~ Keep Up the good work Alondra

        • Jeff

          I don’t hate her and Obama is not afraid of her. She’s a nut with a fan base of people like you. “Nuff said.

      • Don 2

        Jeff says, “I don’t hate her and Obama is not afraid of her. She’s a nut with a fan base of people like you. “Nuf said.

        That’s lib-speak the left uses to bash conservatives for exercising their First Amendment rights, while they gleefully smear their opponents.

        I hardly think Orly Taitz is a nut. She is a dentist and an attorney, with the tenacity to keep after the Marxist in the WH. If Obama is not afraid of her, he wouldn’t have spent, what is it up to now, something like close to $2 million in legal fees to keep all of his past records sealed?

        Now, Jeff, are you going to tell us that Obama isn’t fighting to keep his past records sealed? Jeff, maybe you could give us a legitimate excuse for Obama keeping all of his past records sealed? Jeff, why should Obama be allowed to keep his past records sealed? C’mon Jeffrey Boy, give us your ‘best’ lefty spin on this one.

        • Jeff

          Your reference to Obama as a Marxist reveals you are every bit as nutty as Orly Taitz. Only on a right wing kook blog could Obama be a Marxist. But then you nitwits thought Eisenhower was one too.

      • Old Henry


        Yes, I did sign it. Last week.

      • Old Henry

        Soetoro / Bounel / Obama is a dyed-in-the-woo communist.
        He was spawned by communists, raised by communists, educated by communists, menotored by communists. He started his political career in the home of two communist domestic terrorists who bombed American building and killed people.

        Better wake up Jeffy as being one of the useful idiots, you will be the first to go once your usefulness has run out.

        • Jeff

          Old dog, you could at least TRY to learn some new tricks. Just calling everyone a Commie is so, so . . .1950. Of course, we now have the reincarnation of Uncle Joe McCarthy in Ted Cruz, but as you remember from Marx, “History repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce.”

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Thank you American Girl.
        43,004 Americans already signed the Petition. For last FIVE hours 212 people signed the Petition. It means that each hour 42.4 people signing.

      • Don 2

        Jeffrey Boy,

        I asked you for your ‘best’ lefty spin on why Obama is paying a fortune in legal fees to hide his past records from the citizens of America.

        All I’m hearing is “crickets.” Cat got your tongue?

      • Don 2

        Jeffrey Boy,

        While you’re at it, could we please also have your expert opinion on Harry Alford, CEO of the National Black Chamber of Commerce, who called Barack Obama a “Communist” on cable television last night? Is he also nutty and a nitwit? He did originally vote for Obama before he lost “Hope” and I do not recall him being on, how did you put it, a “right wing kook blog.”

        • Jeff

          Believe it or not, having black pigmentation does not make one immune to the kook disease. Prominent examples include Herman Cain and Allen West.

      • http://personalliberty Alondra


        Both used multiple names.
        Marx: Karl Marx a.k.a. Monsieur Ramboz a.k.a. A. Williams a.k.a. Karl Moor

        The Kenyan Fraud: Barack Hussein Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetoro a.k.a. Barrack Obama a.k.a. Barrack Dunham a.k.a. Barry Dunham a.k.a. Barak Mounir Ubayd a.k.a. HARRISON J. BOUNEL a.k.a. Barry Soebarkah

        Marx: “[I]n COMMUNIST society, where NOBODY HAS one exclusive sphere of activity but each can become accomplished in any branch he wishes, SOCIETY REGULATES the general production and thus MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO DO ONE THING TODAY AND ANOTHER TOMORROW, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner.” (The Communist Manifesto)

        The Kenyan: In his Monarchical Ruling he is accomplishing his wishes … it possible for him to sleep until 10:00, after breakfast go to play basketball, after lunch give an interview to darling MSM, where he can LIE and mislead American People; after dinner blame Republicans, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Fox News for his problems; next day play golf after breakfast, after dinner have party with the perverts and dance the dance Hip-Hop for Homos like he danced on the Ellen Degeneres Show

        Marx: “RELIGIOUS distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. IT IS THE OPIUM OF THE PEOPLE.‎” (The Communist Manifesto)

        The Kenyan: “THEY (Americans) CLING TO GUNS OR RELIGION”.

        He Constantly distorting and twisting Bible into the Communist Manifesto.

        Covering Christian symbols in the George Town University during his teleprompter reading.

        In Three different occasions he OMITS “Creator” during reading the Preamble of The Declaration of Independence from the teleprompter

        The White House memo to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center released Sept. 14, 2011 stated in part: “No religious items (i.e. Bibles, reading material, and/or artifacts) are allowed to be given away or used during a visit.” But NOTHING was said about koran. (?!?!?!)

        Marx and the Kenyan CRIMINAL both are for the COLLECTIVE “salvation”.

        Karl Marx COULD NEVER HOLD DOWN A REAL STABLE SALARIED JOB, he was utterly EGO-CENTRIC and oblivious to the plights of his poor wife and children, he lived off donations from his faithful friend Engels for most of his life.

        The Kenyan FRAUD COULD NEVER HOLD DOWN A REAL STABLE JOB, he is utterly EGO-CENTRIC and obliviously lived on his communist and islamist friends donations and thefts, which he perpetrated by using his forged IDs, multiple SS# and multiple names.

        ALL documents that the Kenyan has presented to the public are FORGED.

        “For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.” – Jesus Christ

        “Great is TRUTH, and mighty above all things.” (2Ezdra 4:41)

        • Jeff

          Lady, you are really nuts. You state conjecture and wild opinion like it’s fact. Keep living in your paranoid delusions; you seem to like it there.

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Jeffry: “Lady, you are really nuts.”
        Jeffry, THANK you. It’s the highest compliment I could get from LIBTARD.

        Jeffry: “You state conjecture and wild opinion like it’s fact.”
        Jeffry, unfortunately for you and for the THUG-in-chief those are the REAL FACTS and NOT conjecture.

        Jeffry, keep live in your irrefutable denial. You seem to like Kommunistic LIES. Why it would be?

        Because “You are of your father the devil, and the DESIRES OF YOUR FATHER YOU WANT TO DO. He does NOT STAND IN THE TRUTH, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speaks a LIE, he speaks from his own resources, for HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.” (John 8:44)

        Jeffry, be calm, do not worry. Your Big Kenyan brother is your “KEEPER”.

        P.S. Jeffry, you NEVER proved my “delusional” lies. At least once you could debunk them.

        May God BLESS you and give you some wisdom.

    • Don 2

      Jeffrey Boy,

      You seem to be totally ignorant of the fact that Barack Obama was an admitted revolutionary Marxist when he entered Occidental College.

  • Edwin

    “And don’t expect President Barack Obama or the first lady and their entourage to be traveling in electric limos. For one thing, such vehicles are too heavy to be moved by a puny electric engine.” Ever heard of brushless motors? They are much more efficient that ANY internal combustion engine. The problem is batteries. In RC cars, boats, planes, etc, we use LiPo batteries. They produce vehicles with BL motors and high current ESCs, that outperform any piston driven engine set up–Nitro-methane or gasoline! The problem with LiPo’s is that if you puncture them they explode! There are newer LiFePo batts and they put out the current of the LiPo, but not the same voltage. So the solution is to find a power source for the BL motor that can help it realize its full potential. A few possibilities are hydrogen fuel cells, wireless energy transmission, and 3He fusion reactors. The problem with the fuel cells are they are dangerous–explosive. The 3He fusion reactors would be able to convert fusion energy directly into electrical energy and could be made compact enough to fit in a car, however the catch is that you have to go to the moon, set up a mining facility, and then ship 3He back to Earth! Finally, Nicola Tesla was working on modulating a power signal (much the same way a radio signal is broadcast over the airwaves!) and transmitting it through the air to a reciever. But once a signal is transmitted over the air it is free to any who can recieve it–by law!

  • toledojim

    I’m surprised the New York Times even printed the guy’s story on the failures of his electric car. It had to be buried somewhere deep in the paper. And no other liberal Mainstream Media outlet picked it up.

  • Jeff

    Myers, if you’d been around early in the 20th Century, you’d have stated with ultimate authority that air travel would never be feasible. We’ll see if you’re correct in 10 years. Of course battery-powered cars can’t compete with gasoline-powered cars over long distances. Not yet. Not until battery life improves and methods improve for quickly recharging them. But I don’t think one of the problems is speed or acceleration. No one is suggesting battery-powered cars will replace internal combustion cars for cross-country travel anytime soon – not even George Clooney. But for people who commute to work – 20, 30, 40 miles and then return home 8 hours later, the electric car could be perfect. Currently, they’re too expensive, but prices will quickly come down as economies of scale kick in (and as gasoline gets increasingly expensive).

    • Don 2

      Jeffrey Boy,

      Your gasoline is getting expensive because your Dear Leader is printing money 24/7, and the purchase of oil is based on the dollar(for now). As Obama prints more and more dollars, your dollar buys less and less barrels of oil.

      So George Clooney is one of the automobile experts that you rely on for your information…..interesting? LMAO

      • Old Henry

        Don2, you are right on the money (no pun intended).

        I wonder how many of the developing technologies from 80 – 100+ years ago theese people keep referring to were developed with money stolen from the public and how many were developed with private monies from people who risked their entire financial future – rather than their grandchildren.

      • Don 2

        Old Henry,

        I remember how Obama stole General Motors from the stock holders who risked their money, gave them 10-cents on the dollar for their investments, and turned the company over to the unions so they would continue to support him and the Democrat party. Now, GM has the same problems they had before. I wouldn’t buy an Obama Motors vehicle under any circumstances. I’ll buy a Ford…..they didn’t take the taxpayers money.

        Another bust Obama investment using taxpayers money for return donations to himself and the Democrats is wind power. The cost per kwh of coal produced electricity is 21 cents. The cost per taxpayer subsidized kwh of wind power is $21.00.

    • alpha-lemming

      Hope you’re right but……

      Current battery technology isn’t up to snuff AND when the time comes to junk an EV, the toxics associated with the batteries in these cars make “Love Canal” look like a level 4 clean room. I can’t fathom a scenerio where we get added durability (more exotic materials… availability…. certainly won’t reduce $$ so mass appeal questionable) and greener overall environment (what you gain in air quality you certainly lose in soil and water pollution). That 30yr time frame I fear is polly-anna-ish…. While kinda good, EVs may forever be relegated to metropolitan/short distance usage.

      • Old Henry

        I’ve got it! It’s one of those solutions hiding in plain site! Why not simply use a trunk full of Eveready D cells. They keep going and going and going.

        However, that would, once again, put a crimp in Bounel’s tax payer-funded slush fund.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      You are living in a fantasy world if you think that there are any economies of scale that will bring the price down of electric powered vehicles, if the only viable use is to commute to work. What are you smoking?

      • Jonathan Baker

        You have possibly overlooked the Volt or the Tesla Model S. The Volt will go a distance on battery and then continue on with a gasoline engine turning a generator. The Tesla Model S and the Nissan LEAF will run on electricity continuously, recharging as a gasoline powered car will do – refuel along the way. When there are Tesla charging stations all across America, as there are now gasoline stations, driving a Tesla electric car will be as normal as driving a gasoline fueled car has been for 100+ years.


    If electricity is made from fossil fuels, then why are hybrid cars good for the environment?
    Electricity is made from burning fossil fuels, which spins a big fan, which is used to make electricity. So if regular cars run on oil, and hybrid cars run and are manufactured by burning fossil fuels, as well as batteries, tires, upholstery ect…then why are hybrids good for the environment?

    Any way you cut it, to replace ALL combustion-engine vehicles with hybrids, a tremendous amount of “fossil-fels” will be used, as well as, a tremendous amount of “fossil fuels” to maintain the millions and millions of hybrids and to manufacture additional millions! Either way, whether we remain with “combustion-engines” or “hybrids”, we will continue burning “fossil-fuels” at present rate. However, we could alway fall-back on the “horse and buggy”, but i seriously doubt the “stars” would be caught dead in one!


    What people don’t seem to understand is that we must generate electricity from some other power source. We haven’t learned to bottle lightning yet, I don’t think. This means that the electricity used in an electric car must be generated by a power plant of some kind.

    Fossil fuels (coal, oil, and natural gas) were used to generate 71% of electricity in the United States in 2008. In that same year, only 8% of electricity in the U.S. was generated through renewable sources (hydro, solar, wind, etc.) with most of the rest being produced by nuclear power plants (environmentalists just love those).

    The average thermal efficiency of a fossil-fuel power plant is 33%. This means that only a third of the potential energy stored in fossil fuels goes to actually moving turbines.

    The efficiency of most internal combustion engines is pretty poor—it averages 17–21% “power on the road” if you can trust government research. The same government statistics gush over the electric car’s 59–62% efficiency.

    But wait just a second. 92% of the energy used by that electric car will be produced by fossil fuel, or nuclear, power plants (both on the environmentalists’ naughty list). Do the math:

    So, let’s say 1 gallon of gas has the potential energy of 1 widget of work. Burn that 1 gallon at a fossil fuel plant and you produce enough electricity to do 1/3 widget of work. Use that electricity in an electric car and it is able to use, at best, 62% (according to enthusiastic advocates of the electric car, mind you) of that 1/3. That means 21% efficiency on its best day. This means that gallon for gallon, electric cars are not more fuel-efficient to the extent that power plants are still burning fossil fuels to power them. You don’t start to see a lessening of dependence on fossil fuels until you can transition power plants away from fossil fuels.

    In fact, since only 8% of electric power was being produced through renewable sources in 2008, the actual advantage to having electric cars right now is basically negligible as it relates to our environmental footprint, especially considering that those toxic batteries are not exactly made of daisy chains and patchouli.

    But notice, I’ve been talking about fully electric cars this whole time. That snooty treehugger in his Toyota Pious is not driving a fully electric car. He is driving a hybrid. That means he is using fossil fuels at the power plant and in his car. Since hybrid cars are only about twice as fuel-efficient as conventionally powered ones of the same size, this sophomoric environmental “scientist” is actually not reducing fossil fuel usage at all. In fact, his hybrid engine is actually less fossil fuel efficient (in the long haul) than a conventional one because of our current dependence on fossil fuel power plants.

    Snap! If environmentalists really cared about the environment, they would stop driving hybrid cars for now, and buy the most efficient conventionally powered cars they could find while they search for more practical ways to create “clean” electricity…

    • Old Henry

      Details, details, details. Sheesh!

      Are you trying to put Soetoro’s tax payer-funded campaign slush fund outta business??

      • WTS/JAY


      • tony newbill

        I think the slush fund is about to end because the Cover is coming off the Cover-up of just How isolated and growing the divide between US citizens and the International citizens that are also US citizens who have been making their Living off of the past 4 -5 years of Government and Federal Reserve Stimulus Programs has been paying these International US Citizens paychecks and then those people spend in the USA and that feeds the Isolated US Citizen who has Nothing but that as their Income and its Shrinking with Taxes and Inflation eating them up and forcing more onto the poverty roles , and this is about to become exposed with the sequester cuts that will pull the Covers off this !!!!

        Now ask yourself this : Is your paycheck directly or indirectly a result today of a Federal Government or Federal Reserve stimulus policy ???
        Now ask yourself this: How many people in this country rely on government money for most if not all of their survival needs?
        Without government funding, and without the fiat printing press at the Federal Reserve to feed that funding, the veil of financial recovery fades away, not just in the stock market, but everywhere. All the poverty that has remained hidden for the past five years will suddenly be visible on our streets and doorsteps. Welfare programs to individuals and to states ARE the modern day soup lines. When they go, those reliant on them have nowhere to turn.

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  • Old Henry

    Boy John Myers, another racist article! Good thing you are holed up in Canada!

    “Excuse me, but I don’t like to be lectured how I should live my life from multimillionaires whose abuse of sex and drugs would prohibit their entrance into the gates of Sodom or Gomorrah”

    However, it would get them elected to the White House by the depraved, immoral, low-information American electorate.

    “Predictably, there has been a backlash by the Greens, and Tesla went so far as to criticize the driver while vindicating the car. It’s not the car’s fault; it’s the driver’s.”

    Sot of like a GUN?

    “And don’t expect President Barack Obama or the first lady and their entourage to be traveling in electric limos.”

    Absolutely not, being the “Do as we say, not as we do” communists.

  • Alex

    More lazy and stupid American motor-headed non-thinking…

    Pussycats…that’s what you are—cowed and fear-centered. Unimaginative.

    Developing solar, wind, tidal, or geo-thermal energy is going to be very expensive. Technology is always more expensive at the outset—the first VCRs cost several hundred dollars apiece. Early 1950s transistor radios cost 150 bucks. Computers, digital cameras, telescopes—you name it—all became increasingly less-expensive as demand increased and improved production techniques evolved. Suppose you had lived in the 1920s and your neighbor had developed the very first television in her garage. When you said, “Wow, I want one, too!”, she added up the cost of producing and refining the prototype parts and the thousands of hours of research and labor, and told you it would cost you about one million dollars for a set

    Had we begun using our public monies decades ago to research and implement greener technologies, rather than shovel said funds into the gaping jaws of Big Oil, we would have advanced far beyond where we are now. Allowing the cancerous Car Culture to metastasize rather than implementing and refining cleaner, safer, and more efficient Public Transit was a mistake of profound magnitude, one that will haunt our descendents for generations to come. Using one or two tons of steel, glass, and plastic to move a 175 lb. human is laughable. Of course, most of you are too feeble-minded to accept reality. Big Oil is quite happy about that; they require a passive and unquestioning customer base.

    The oil companies, year after year, reap record PROFITS yet continue to reel in BILLIONS of dollars in federal subsidies…..FROM YOUR POCKETS! As they have ensnared your pocketbooks and public funding for their enrichment, they have also worked feverishly to deny, limit, and ridicule any attempt to move from a petroleum-based economy. It is not in THEIR interest, and neither is a cleaner Earth.

    The very scary yet cleansing cold shower of Peak Oil will be absolutely stunning! In amazingly short order we will see gasoline prices double, triple, and ultimately balloon beyond the capacity of all but the most gluttonous to afford. Having refused to abandon the automobile when it made sense, you will be left with yards full of rusting, undriveable hulks—and this is imminent! HAA! The joke’s on YOU!

    • Edwin

      “Having refused to abandon the automobile when it made sense, you will be left with yards full of rusting, undriveable hulks” Not neccasarily Alex, cars can be made to run on almost anything combustible, natural gas, propane, butane, ethanol, bio-diesel, etc. Hell, ever heard of hyrdogen electrolisis?

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Are you serious? Who are you to decide what monies are invested where? If you think all of this nonsense is a good investment, I suggest you get your own investors to invest, rather than doing it the way communists do it. Stealing from everybody for nothing but the purpose of control. Eventually, you will be proven to be an idiot.

  • tony newbill

    Until the economy recovers and Consumers are flush with cash to the point that GDP is running at 3.5 4 % annually respectfully there will be NO WAY TO FUND SUCH INNOVATION !!!!! And the GOVERNMENT IS ALL TAPPED OUT ON INITIAL SPENDING because they blew the Stimulus OMNIBUS which was to be for these start-ups on paying off special interests and allowing increases in Government worker pay in the top echelons of agencies in the Hundreds of Thousands and millions so we the people lost the Multiple factor because a FEW Government people and the Various Private Corps that were Pawns in their game of Allocate and Stash the cash went into the dark holes of these Peoples little sinkholes , and I bet its Mostly off shore now and why Obama didn’t end up going after those Off shore accounts !!!!!!!!!!

    • Old Henry

      Shucks Tony, it’s no problem at all. President Bounel simply borrows the money from our good friends China, then he slips it to his slush fund, er ah, the green energy companies, they funnel 50% back to Soetoro, pay the rest out in bonuses and file Chapter 13.

      Viola!! See how simple it is? They’ll probably even have a Jimmy Johns delivery guy make the drop!

  • David

    So, comparing a technology that’s been refined over many years to one that’s had relatively little research and innovation until recently is a fair comparison? Why not compare electric cars (in their infancy) to the Ford Model T? That would be much more realistic.

    • Rich

      they have been trying to build electric cars for a hundred years.if they succeed how to you get the electric.Natural gas is the solution .clean energy fuels has a contract with pilot gas stations to install pumps fiveinute fill up

      • The Christian American

        And they will succeed, when the market demands it. Right now the market, you and
        I, are satisfied with what we have. Profitable things don’t happen because some politician decrees them. Things happen because there is a demand and some inventor comes up with something to fill that need. When I was a kid, UPS used electric trucks on their routes but that died out because diesel and gas trucks were more efficient. In my travels to Sweden I saw trucks pulling small wood burning stoves. The smoke from pitch fires was blown into the carburetor and ran the engine. In the 20′s Chrysler came up with a way to run engines on water by seperating oxygen from hydrogen. Oil companies buy up any patents that could be competitive to them so we really don’t know what’s out there.

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear David,

      You write: “So, comparing a technology that’s been refined over many years to one that’s had relatively little research and innovation until recently is a fair comparison?” Electric cars have been around since the mid-19th century.

      You write: “Why not compare electric cars (in their infancy) to the Ford Model T?” It’s hardly in its infancy. Electric vehicles have been researched for more than 150 years and they still can’t go but 30-50 miles on a charge… the same problem that vexed them in the beginning. I suggest you study history.

      Best wishes,

      • The Christian American

        There is a solution Bob. It’s called a perpetual machine. Problem is no ones managed to invent one yet.

      • Jonathan Baker

        Bob, Bob, 30 to 50 miles on electric??? I suggest that you do a little research. According to a federal benchmark, and I am not suggesting that it is real-world – but it IS a benchmark – the Tesla Model S will go 265 miles on a full charge. The Chevy Volt will go 37 miles on a full charge. My personal experience with my leased Volt for 11 months has shown that it is less expensive to run (excluding the high selling price) than my 2010 Prius that I previously owned. Early on, the electic automobile had disadvantages compared to the gasoline automobile. With today’s advances in battery technology, with the promise of better batteries in the near future, the electric automobile is FAST becoming a real competitor to the gasoline automobile. I’d appreciate your comment.

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear Jonathan Baker,

          You write: “Early on, the electic (sic) automobile had disadvantages compared to the gasoline automobile. With today’s advances in battery technology, with the promise of better batteries in the near future, the electric automobile is FAST becoming a real competitor to the gasoline automobile. I’d appreciate your comment.” With a list price of $72,400 (thanks to U.S. subsidies) the Tesla S will give you 265 miles. Except it won’t.

          Your Volt has a range of 37 miles and a list price of $32,000 (thanks to a U.S. tax subsidy plus billions of tax dollars spent up front). I don’t think mid-19th Century technology is the wave of the future. And remember, that electricity must be generated somehow. With Obama shutting down coal-fired plants, from where will it come?

          Best wishes,

    • TML

      David says, “Why not compare electric cars (in their infancy) to the Ford Model T? That would be much more realistic.”

      Let’s compare electric cars even today with the Model T

      The Model T top speed was 40–45 mph, no charge time, and continuous range with a simple refill of gasoline, kerosene, or ethanol.

      The 2001 Dynasty IT EV top speed of 25 mph, charge time of 6 hours, and a range of 31 miles.

      QBeak EV top speed 56 mph, charge time of 8 hours, and a range of 160 miles

      2012 Nissan Leaf top speed of 93 mph, charge time of 20 HOURS when charged from 110/120v outlet; 8 hours when charging from 220/240 volt outlet; 30 minutes for 440v “quick charge” (to 80% of battery capacity), and even at all that, the maximum range is 73 miles.

    • Chuck S

      A lot of new technologies are NOT as good as the old. The first electric car was in 1828 and the first gasoline car was in 1870. New technologies come along all the time and a lot of them don’t make it. I used to work at a hard drive company. They tried magnetic bubbles, optical drives, optical/magnetic hybrid drives, and solid state discs. The first 3 didn’t make it and the fourth is replacing a small number of hard drives, mainly smaller capacity. One of the engineers worked for months and had a $90,000 piece of test equipment built to develop magnetic bubble memories, but the whole operation was scrapped when it was determined that bubbles would probably never be as good as magnetic.

      A lot of electronics got cheaper because we use less than a microwatt to represent a bit of data instead of several watts. Passengers aren’t getting many times lighter – actually heavier. In general most real progress didn’t use a lot of government subsidies. I ‘m OK with small subsidies for test vehicles, but not huge subsidies and/or mandates. And the people should find out the truth about all the costs and problems so we’ll better know whether to support these things.

      Incidentally, I think a lot of electric cars are bought by governments at all levels who are willing to waste taxpayer’s money to show how green they are.

  • Lou

    Bill Roe is right on: when you’re talking to Americans…speak Mexican.

  • Chuck S

    I’d guess that the hollywooders drive to their private jets in their electric cars. Like dieting by getting a diet coke, a triple order of fries, and a triple malt.

    You have to look at the total picture. The electricity may come from coal, nat gas, or nuclear. Since electric cars are more expensive, they must take more resources to build. It probably takes a lot of oil to dig the lithium, etc, ore out of the ground, ship it, refine it, and make it into batteries. Likewise, a lot of other alternatives probably use more energy to build than they save.

    I’m sure a lot of liberals don’t understand this – it’s easy to just see electricity instead of oil and not realize all the rest. The liberals in power may intend to use more energy by claiming to use less. Then the energy situation gets worse and they push more higher- energy-that-seems-like-lower-energy-”solutions.” All of these schemes increase the power of government and also seem to put government money into the pockets of liberal businesses. Some of them may be using this as one path to dictatorship – the government controlling us by controlling all our energy (and our health care and guns, etc).

    • Vigilant

      “Likewise, a lot of other alternatives probably use more energy to build than they save.”

      Ethanol is a perfect example. It costs more (energy-wise) to produce than it’s worth. Add to that the loss of mileage it creates in a tank of gas, the harm it does to 2- and 4-cycle engines and the rising prices of meat because it creates shortages in food, and you’ll see how utterly misguided has been US energy policy.

      If the industry were not subsidized with billions of US taxpayer dollars, ethanol as a fuel additive would not exist.

  • Carlucci

    It is typical that the multi-millionaires in Holly-weird support every asinine idea that comes out of the district of criminals. Could they be any more insipid or crass? For example, whose idea was it to put one of the most crass and insipid people in America (Michelle Obama) on the Oscars? When I saw that, I thought I was going to puke……..

    • Jeff

      Your statement about Michelle Obama says nothing about her and everything about you and your racial attitudes. As much as I despised W, I never said anything negative about his wife. You are truly a barbarian.

      • Old Henry

        That is understandable as there was never anything bad to be said about Laura.

        Not so, however, with the racist Mooch now living there.

    • jopa

      Carlucci;The worst thing ever to come out of Hollywood was Ronald Reagan with his womanizing and drug crazed ways.How many wives did that guy have and his brains were really fried in the end.Just think that someone was stupid enough to vote for that guy.

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Jopa: “The worst thing ever to come out of Hollywood was Ronald Reagan with his womanizing and drug crazed ways. How many wives did that guy have”

        Dunce Jopa, He had TWO wives:
        Jane Wyman (1940-1949) – 9 years marriage.
        Nancy Davis Reagan (1952-2004) – 52 years marriage.

        Lamebrained, please prove that he was womanizer and drug craze.

        And now let’s talk about your PERVERT puppet man-izer and many Asses he had and how many penises he sucked.

        He was the Jeremiah Wright’s Down-Low Club member, where he had multiple black f**kers:
        Larry Bland, Donald Young, Nate Spencer (all three were MURDERED when he started his presidential campaign in 2007)

        Larry Sinclair – white, with whom the Pervert puppet had oral sex and used cocaine with

        O’Homobama had a whole affair with Hollywood actor Kal Penn during the 2008 presidential campaign, and Obama then INVENTING a strange, “nebulous” position for the actor in the early days of his administration.

        Penn left the White House abruptly after just a few months of work (in a position that WAS CREATED SOLELY FOR HIM) due to sexual harassment from the puppet.

        O’Homobama was a frequent visitor of Chicago gay bathhouse “Man’s Country”. According to the witnesses, O’Homobama “enjoyed being pleasured by older white guys. Evidently, he is not a GIVER”, he is “a receiver/a bottom”, which means that puppet is “a feminine” partner. Just looking how he is dancing and that his “wife” is so masculine, you can say that he is “a feminine” partner.

        By his own admission, the Pervert Kenyan used and drugs in High School and College. He smoked marijuana and snorted of cocaine:

        “I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though—Mickey, my potentional intiator had been just a little too eager for me to go through with that. Said he could do it blindfolded, but he was shaking like a faulty engine when he said it…his face shiny and tight. He had pulled out the needle and the tubing … and right then an image popped into my head of an air bubble, shiny and round like a pearl, rolling quietly through a vein and stopping my heart…I got just the opposite effect, something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind, something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory. I had discovered that it didn’t make any difference whether you smoked reefer in the white classmmate’s sparkling new van, or in the dorm room of some brother you’d met at the gym … And if the high didn’t solve whatever it was that was getting you down, it could at least help you laugh at the world’s ongoing folly…” – b. Hussein obama, “Dreams from My Father”

        Jopa, “Just think that someone was stupid enough to vote for” for this Korrupt Kenyan Kriminal who is mentally PERVERT, sexually DEPRAVED, arrogant, ignorant and idiotically stupid.

        Nuff said.

  • ibcamn

    Do you think the Obama’s will drive an electric car when he’s impeached…err,i mean out of office!??!hell no!he wouldn’t be caught in one of those things!niether would his pet,or yard apes!

    Our technology aint here yet and we know it!the electric hasn’t gotten any better(other than style)in over 100 years!jay leno has one from 1898 i think,it gets 25 or 28 miles to the charge!!if anything,a hy-bred!is way better,but they should stay off the hyways and interstates,they cause build up when they get on,i don’t know why,but they seem to accelerate oddly or something,and they come up to stop signs way too slow and i know,it’s the driver,but come on,possibly being in an accident aint worth the tablespoon of gas you save!is it?

  • omanuel

    Actors can become tools of propaganda without the knowing consent of the actor.

    Acting doesn’t require quantitative reasoning: “How is the electricity generated?”

    Even scientists can deceive themselves into accepting ego-inflating nonsense as rational.

    After 1945 many stars in the acting, scientific and political community helped undermine our unalienable right to self-governance, believing that they were working for noble goals like World Peace, Reduced Racism, and End to Nationalism !

    These are noble goals that I too endorse, but not at the expense of our constitutional right to self-governance and to establish or abolish governments that protect our right to enjoy Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    - Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

  • AmericanGirl

    Question Bob, I have heard that “lithium” is in great abundance in the middle east. Hence, Obama’s “bowing” relationship with the Saudis. Could there be any truth to the “rumor” that in order to make those electric car batteries Obama needs that “lithium” which will assist in that?? Your thoughts please TY

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear AmericanGirl,

      You write: “I have heard that “lithium” is in great abundance in the middle east.”

      You write: ” Hence, Obama’s “bowing” relationship with the Saudis.” You must forget Bush’s Saudi hand-holding.

      You write: “Could there be any truth to the “rumor” that in order to make those electric car batteries Obama needs that “lithium” which will assist in that?” America’s militaristic forays into the ME and North Africa are not about the “war on terror” as you’ve been led to believe. They are about establishing hegemony over the region in order to exploit the resources, protect the petrodollar, carry out Israel and Saudi foreign policy aims and install puppet regimes. You cannot blame Obama for beginning it… just continuing and expanding it. Like his predecessors, he is just a puppet for his handlers.

      Best wishes,

      • Jonathan Baker


  • mark

    More nonsense and another PLD strawman. You can buy and drive whatever car you want to in America as long as you can afford it. Under our system of free speech people are allowed to promote and push whatever product or idea they desire – no matter how foolish or nonsensical. Just look at some of the ideas and articles on this website.

    • moonbeam

      Then why do you come here, mark? Don’t let the door knob hit ya.

      • Jonathan Baker

        Now, now. We can welcome all point of view here. It is up to each of us to accept, or reject a viewpoint. Tolerance, brother.

  • http://personalliberty Alondra

    Be AWARE and TAKE ACTIONS in your districts:

    “Obama campaign announced this week that it was raising funds from big donors — only a relative handful — to put together a $50 million fund for an army of grass-roots activists in swing states to go after Republican Congressmen and Senators who dare to vote against the president’s wishes.”

    “Over the next two years, they will be spreading their tentacles all over the nation to invade districts which are now in Republican hands but might be turned to blue in 2014 in pursuit of a House majority and of a sixty vote Democratic Senate.”

    Read Dick Morris article on

    “For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.” – Jesus Christ (Mathew 10:26; Luke 8:17)

    P.S. Please PASS IT ON to all your e-mail contacts. Thanks.

  • Motov

    Electric cars? sounds so clean and green! just plug it in!
    Never mind the fact that the energy required just to get electricity to your house is about 50%, efficient. You always lose some power for transformers, resistance in the wires, and other sources. Speaking of sources, where does your power come from? Nuclear Power plant?, coal fired? hydro power? wind? solar? Majority of the power comes from coal.
    How toxic are the materials used in making batteries? How well protected are they in car crash tests? including human safety? How much time does it take to recharge batteries? 110 volt? 220? How long of an extension cord do I need? What if I can’t plug it in?
    But it is “green”,… it’ll suck the green right outtya back pocket!

    • Jeff

      Coal won’t always be the dominant fuel in the creation of electricity, And if coal is already being burned to create electricity, how much more will have to be burned to replace the gasoline? These questions clearly matter, but the answers aren’t necessarily static as alternative fuels create an increasing share of our electricity. Obviously. if you simply want to oppose electric cars, there is no shortage of reasons. How about looking at them as a possible solution and figuring out a way to make them work? Anyone can be a skeptic.

      • Jonathan Baker


    • Jonathan Baker

      Your point?

  • wheels

    These so-called “STARS” can’t even manage to manage their own lives for the most part and I’m supposed to be impressed by what they say all the “little people” should be doing in their own lives……………….yah, right! When Hell freezes over! And that goes for listening to the clown in the White House and his old lady too.

  • Deerinwater

    “In 1893, the first running, gasoline-powered American car was built and road-tested by the Duryea brothers of Springfield, Massachusetts. The first public run of the Duryea Motor Wagon took place on 21 September 1893, on Taylor Street in Metro Center Springfield.[18][19] To construct the Duryea Motor Wagon, the brothers had purchased a used horse-drawn buggy for $70 and then installed a 4 HP, single cylinder gasoline engine.[18] The car had a friction transmission, spray carburetor, and low tension ignition. It was road-tested again on 10 November, when the The Springfield Republican newspaper made the announcement.[18] This particular car was put into storage in 1894 and stayed there until 1920 when it was rescued by Inglis M. Uppercu and presented to the United States National Museum.[18]”

    “In 1892, German engineer Rudolf Diesel was granted a patent for a “New Rational Combustion Engine”. In 1897, he built the first Diesel Engine.[16] Steam-, electric-, and gasoline-powered vehicles competed for decades, with gasoline internal combustion engines achieving dominance in the 1910s.”

    “The large-scale, production-line manufacturing of affordable automobiles was debuted by Ransom Olds in 1902 at his Oldsmobile factory located in Lansing, Michigan and based upon the assembly line techniques pioneered by Marc Isambard Brunel at the Portsmouth Block Mills, England in 1802. The assembly line style of mass production and interchangeable parts had been pioneered in the U.S. by Thomas Blanchard in 1821, at the Springfield Armory in Springfield, Massachusetts.[22] This concept was greatly expanded by Henry Ford, beginning in 1914.
    As a result, Ford’s cars came off the line in fifteen minute intervals, much faster than previous methods, increasing productivity eightfold (requiring 12.5-man-hours before, 1-hour 33 minutes after), while using less manpower.[23] It was so successful, paint became a bottleneck. Only Japan black would dry fast enough, forcing the company to drop the variety of colors available before 1914, until fast-drying Duco lacquer was developed in 1926. This is the source of Ford’s apocryphal remark, “any color as long as it’s black”.[23] In 1914, an assembly line worker could buy a Model T with four months’ pay”

    One hundred and seven years! ~ and still they get better every year ~

    If you can power a freight train with electric motors, ~ run a submarine with electric motors ~ why not?

    I don’t know if electric cars will ever fill all consumers needs ~ but neither has gasoline. ~ Most all of our heavy lifting today is done with Diesel or waterfall energy sources.

    As a child, I remember a few of the old-timers still using horse team and wagon about town, while the Country used a horse team drawn sickle mower to keep the roadside mower and I turn 65 in two weeks. So really, we’ve came a long way in just my lifetime.

    • Jonathan Baker

      I am curious as to where you were raised. In a rural setting, I sure. I’m 76, and was raised in the Bronx in NYC. I can remember the rag merchant with his horse-drawn wagon shouting “rags, rags”, and offering to sharpen knives and scissors for a nickel, and the horse-drawn milk wagon stopping at each apartment building. I also remember the White trucks with the chain driven rear wheels with the solid rubber wheels. I remember the NYC street sweeper pushing his wheeled trash can that he filled with debris that he swept up from the street gutters. I remember the trucks delivering blocks of ice, chipping out small blocks for stores and taverns. And, we used to have mail deliveries twice a day, including Saturdays!!! Yes, we have come a long way. I’m not sure that all of it has been positive; most of it, yes!, but, not all of it. Such is life.

      • Deerinwater

        I was raised in rural north east Texas, ~ 40 miles south of Dallas/Fort Worth. We had a few street vendors as well, old timers selling their gardens harvest. (later to be called a truck patch garden),

        The sounds of childhood that I will never forget, ~ a team of shod horses on hard city pavement on a sleep August morning. Clomped clomp, Clomped clomp and the old timer singing out, ” Watermelon! Cantaloupes ! Black Eyes Peas! ” ~ and the smells ! The odor of fresh pick with a background of horse and old man sweat against leather tack and seasoned wagon wood. If they could put it in a bottle , I’d buy it.

        You mention the Rag Man, ~ Did you ever read Kirk Douglas’s autobiography, if not it’s a “Must Read” for you . ~ Titled “Rag Man Son” ~ well written and a real pleasure to read.

        “He was the son of an illiterate immigrant Russian-Jewish ragpicker and junkman. Raised in poverty, longing for his father’s approval, Issur Danielovitch went on to become a legendary Hollywood star – Kirk Douglas. Here, in his own words, is the story of his life – his acting triumphs in “Sparticus, Lust for Life, The Vikings, Paths of Glory” and “Champions” (to name a few); his fabled love affairs (among them, Joan Crawford, Marlene Dietrich and Pier Angeli); his long, happy marriage to Anne Buydens, and the four sons who sometimes do outrageous imitations of their famous father – all at once! In fascinating insider’s detail, Kirk Douglas recalls more than forty years of Hollywood, from breaking the blacklist to his epic confrontations with studio bosses. With a cast of characters that includes scores of renowned show business personalities, “The Ragman’s Son” is the passionate, vivid, lusty life of Kirk Douglas – man, actor, lover, husband, father -”

    • independent thinker

      A freight train (or passenger train) is powered by a huge 12-20 cylinder diesel engine driving an AC alternator which is usually converted to DC current to turn massive electric motors which move the train, although AC motors are becoming more popular. It is very efficient because the steel wheel on steel rail has very little rolling resistance relative to tires on blacktop or concrete roadways.

      • Deerinwater

        Well, DC current lends itself to be micro-managed. Alternating current (AC) does not. AC lends it’s self to being transmitted great distance with smaller conductors. DC does not.

        This is the old Tesler/ Edison battle. ~ Energy without good management is wasteful and and no very “user friendly”.

        The world community has made great advances in controlling electrical current and bringing it to market in practical application over the last 20 years. America is behind Europe in this endeavor unfortunately. ~ A long as energy is see as cheap, it stunts the progress.

      • independent thinker

        ” AC lends it’s self to being transmitted great distance with smaller conductors. DC does not.”

        Transmission distance is of no consequence in a Diesel locomotive. I was not supporting either AC or DC current mearly stating facts about diesel locomotives. As far as AC vs DC in the locomotives there are several factors involved to determine which is better. Grade profile of the railroad, type of freight being carried, speed at which the train needs to move, among others. The AC excells in certain applications and the DC in others. The railroads purchase the engines based on what best fits their needs with no class one or even class two railroads switching to all AC although most class ones and some class twos have both.

  • Ol504Troop

    Many youngsters don’t remember, but around 1990, ALL the major automakers came out with versions of pure-electric cars. They cost around 35-45K, could only be leased, and got about 100 miles per charge. Some, like the GM EV-1, were quite fast, 0-60 in eight seconds. A battery manufacturer in Michigan developed a new battery which would extend the range for electric cars from 100 miles to over 200 miles, but the company was subsequently bought out by big oil and the technology shelved. Then, ALL of the cars were repossessed by the manufacturers (against many lease holder’s objections), driven out to the desert – and DESTROYED! That’s right – brand new cars were destroyed to keep the technology from being offered to the public – all with help from our politicians. Search “Who Killed the Electric Car?” – there’s actually a documentary video for rent.

  • http://personalliberty Alondra

    Chicago KKK (Kriminal Kommie Klan) at work. They are threatening the respectful journalist.

    A “senior” White House official warned Mr. Woodward that he would “regret challenging them” about the origin of sequester.

    These psychopaths should be admitted to the psychiatric institution and locked.

    Any doubt that they eliminated Andrew Breitbart?

    “Wickedness proceeds from the wicked.” (I Samuel 24:13)

    • Jeff

      Are you sure Breitbart didn’t walk too close to George Zimmerman’s house? If Obama is eliminating his enemies, why stop with Breitbart? Why are Limbaugh and Hannity (and you) still walking around? The internal logic simply works against your contention that Obama is some sort of tyrant.

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        The Korrupt Kenyan Kriminal is a demonic TYRANT!!!

        He cannot execute his tyranny because he has no support of the military, Law Enforcement, Militia. 80,000,000 (80 million!!!) Americans have firearms.

        Sheriff Associations of the 12 States and 317 Sheriffs and police chiefs across the country are saying “NO” to ALL unconstitutional policies of the Kenyan EGO-Centric Psychopath.

        Andrew Breitbart is NOT ONLY one your, brown shirts, victim.

        Jeffry, IT JUST HAPPENED to happen that ALL three openly gay the Kenyan’s lovers from his Church – TUCC – in a span of 1½ months, all three men “conveniently” died in late 2007 as a Charlatan O’Homobama “began his ascent to be the Democratic Party’s presidential nominee”.

        Larry Bland was murdered execution-style on November 17, 2007;
        Donald Young was murdered execution-style on December 24, 2007;
        Nate Spencer by “official” report died of septicemia, pneumonia, and HIV on December 26, 2007. By the unofficial report he was poisoned.

        The intent to murder Larry Sinclair failed, because Sinclair made a lot noise.

        Jeffry, I guess you know who Larry Sinclair is. Yes, the same, who had two sex-cocaine rendezvous with the Pervert Kenyan, who was arrested by Washington, D.C. police following his news conference BASED ON A WARRANT that was issued by Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, who JUST HAPPENED to be the son of the Vice President candidate.

        Isn’t interesting, Jeffry?

        BTW, The Delaware charges against Sinclair were dropped, because IT JUST HAPPENED that there was NO crime.

        Lieutenant (sic) Quarles Harris, Jr., 24, was murdered execution-style by shot in the head in his car, in front of his church.

        Jeffry, how do you think WHY he was EXECUTED?
        Yes, IT JUST HAPPENED that he was the key witness in the “Passport Records of Barack Hussein Obama” case.

        And Jeffry, there is an interesting FACT. IT JUST HAPPENED that Lieutenant (sic) Quarles Harris was a contract worker for a company that was headed by John O. Brennan, who JUST HAPPENED to be a key B. Hussein obama campaign adviser, who JUST HAPPENED later became assistant to the THUG-in-chief and deputy national security adviser for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism and who JUST HAPPENED to be Nominated by O’Homobama to be director of the CIA.

        Jeffry, I guess you are aware that the life of CRIMINALS is entirety based on the coincidences.

        And here is one more coincidence. IT JUST HAPPENED that ALL MURDERED men are associated with the Kenyan CRIMINAL.

        “Magna est veritas et praevalet” – “The truth is great and shall prevail”

        • Jeff

          “The Korrupt Kenyan Kriminal is a demonic TYRANT!!!
          He cannot execute his tyranny because he has no support of the military, Law Enforcement, Militia. 80,000,000 (80 million!!!) Americans have firearms.”

          Note the nonsequitur. He’s a demonic tyrant, but he’s not a tyrant because . . . Kind of like the way Saddam Hussein was another Hitler except for the fact he had no ability to be another Hitler. If you assume all your fantasies about what goes on in a person’s mind are “facts,” you can never be proven wrong. But you are the one making the allegations. The burden of proof is on you to prove what you claim. It is not up to me or others in the sane world to prove your delusions insane.

          As for the individuals who were killed, do you have any proof connecting their deaths to Obama or anyone connected to him? These unsubstantiated allegations do nothing but label you a nut. I remember when your buddy Gordon Liddy claimed he had PROOF that the Clintons had Vince Foster murdered. Somehow, he could never quite produce it.

      • jopa

        Jeff;Hannity and Rush are actual gifts to the Democrats with their outlandish statements they make the Republicans look like total fools and for someone to believe their commentaries is missing a lot of gray matter.I think not too Breitbart choked on his own BS.

  • omanuel

    Our problems can be traced to one well-intentioned decision (1.) and two unwise decisions (2. and 3.) made after the United Nations was established on 24 Oct 1945 to save the world from possible nuclear annihilation by:

    1. Putting the common welfare of mankind ahead of national, racial and ethnic interests.

    2. Failing to acknowledge world leaders are but trusted servants of the people – not their rulers.

    3.) Violating the most basic principle of science by obscuring the source of energy [1] that vaporized Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Aug 1945: The fundamental driving force of astronomy, astrophysics, climatology, cosmology, nuclear, particle, planetary, and solar physics.

    With deep regrets,
    - Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

    [1] “Neutron repulsion,” The APEIRON Journal 19, 123-150 (2012):

    • omanuel

      I would appreciate suggestions on how to get these distinguished leaders of the scientific community or their representatives to openly discuss experimental measurements and observations cited above:

      1. President of the US National Academy of Science, Dr. Ralph Cicerone

      2. President of the UK’s Royal Society, Sir Paul Nurse

      3. Chairman of the UN’s IPCC, Dr. Rajendra Pachauri

      4. Secretary of the US Department of Energy, Dr. Steven Chu

      5. Editor of Nature, Dr. Philip Campbell

      6. Science Advisor to Barack Obama, Dr. John Holdren

      • Right Brain Thinker

        omanuel, I don’t want to hurt your feelings any more than I probably have in the past (or maybe not, since you are a zealot and seem impervious to truth).

        I would suggest that you stop pestering them with your crackpot theories. Since they are all sane folks with real science issues to attend to, they will NEVER respond to you, just as they have not in the past.

        I wonder if the folks at Nature have a special trash bin with your name on it for all those things you have submitted? I wonder if they even read them anymore? I doubt it—I have taken the time to track down several of your links but won’t bother to do that again.

        PS I know you have posted on other websites, some of which seem to be populated by folks with more “science” than the average PLD poster. Why don’t you go to those sites and stay there? Why do you come here where hardly anyone even knows what you’re talking about, and surely no one at all cares that you comment?

  • Right Brain Thinker

    Facebook Lynn asks, “I wonder if anyone has ever found a way to design methods of fossil fuel extraction from the ground that would reduce accidental spills. Do they already know how to do that, but it would cost too much of the bottom line to implement?”

    The answer is YES to all those questions, and the problem is that the fossil fuel interests have NEVER cared much for taking care of the environment. They cut corners to improve their bottom line, and the result is disasters as occurred with BP in the Gulf.

    How will this “fracking” effect our air, water, soil?

    Fracking itself occurs deep in the earth and by itself poses little danger—-it is the failure to do things right “up top” that creates the damage, as well as the problem with all the polluted water that results from fracking..

    Have they designed better methods of containing spills. ( you know it’s going to happen), designed better means of reducing pollution or is it too costly.

    Yes again—-they may not get it perfect, but they DO know how to do it much better—-they just don’t want to spend the money.

    I know all this is about the money, but we all live on this place called Earth. Future generations deserve to have a decent world handed over to them from the previous generation. I believe in free markets, but I also believe we are caretakers of our own environments.

    You have just labelled yourself a tree-hugging, communist, socialist, liberal progressive dumba** by that last statement—-welcome to the club.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      PS to Lynn. Shell has abandoned all plans to drill in the arctic during 2013. The disasters they have had trying to get started up there over the past year or so have apparently convinced them to hold off until they DO have better methods and techniques—-the arctic is NOT the Gulf.

  • http://personalliberty Melanie

    Hollywood cares about the environment. I want to see the next Red Carpet Event where they step out of a Rolls Royce electric car. It’s all about putting their aging faces on tv so we will believe they are great champions of causes. This downturned economy has most of the aging stars you know like the old men in politics scrambling for any job that comes along even if they have to create a reality show that only they might watch. So of course they will try to champion all causes. But it’s all talk these Jollywood Elites don’t walk the walk.

  • ibcamn

    Geeze,figure it out!it’s just about putting a stars face(that some people seam to need)on a green project that the government wants you to abide by,to do what the regime in power wants,not what we want!you can’t go 10 feet without seeing or hearing something about “the Obama’s”it’s like watching a really bad reality show,with no end in sight!the Obama regime just wants you to start being decensatized,so you always see them(Obama’s) with a product!you see them with stars(stars with product)you see them with soldiers(soldiers with Afgan people)you see them with late night hosts(hosts with other stars and people)them with people(people in magazines and radio)get it yet?!!it’s bad propaganda,period!the Obama’s are a terrifying nightmare and the sheeple are just sitting back and enjoying the show with popcorn!wake up people!open your eyes,look for what it is!the Mrs’s. went to Oscars!!WTF??she had human wall paper behind her!almost like,if you are good little boys and girls,you to can be in a picture with the first lady(sorry little vomit there)and come to the white house(500$ cash gets you the same)and party and talk to our guests and show others who you are!!!oh god that is so wrong on so many levels!the stars have sold their collective souls to this evil dictator we know as Obama!the wall paper is a scam,don’t be taken in by the man selling you snake oil!!


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