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Drill Nowhere, Drill Never

May 10, 2011 by  

Drill Nowhere, Drill Never

Since the Obamaviks descended upon the nation’s capital in January of 2009, the government has dramatically improved its ability to carry out its two main functions — redistributing wealth and creating crises. However, lest you give them too much credit for their remarkable success in these areas, remember that much of that success was made possible by past actions on the part of progressive Republicans, philosophically confused Republicans and RINOs.

The redistribution-of-wealth issue is almost at the point of no return, even though a number of principled Republicans are actually threatening to make a serious attempt to stop it by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. The odds against their succeeding, however, are about as long as the odds against Osama bin Laden’s showing up in Times Square tomorrow.

Just ask their leader, Boohoo Boehner, who keeps going out of his way to let the enemy know the Republicans have no intention of cutting up the Democrats’ Capital One card. We will soon get the answer to the debt-ceiling increase, so let’s set aside that Obamanation for now and turn to government function No. 2, crisis creation.

The crown jewel of the Obamaviks’ crisis-creation strategy is the skyrocketing price of gasoline, resulting almost exclusively from the government’s heavy-handed, unConstitutional regulation of the petroleum industry.

A recent example was the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s ruling to withhold air permits from Shell Oil, which, in essence, forced the company to drop its long-planned exploration project in the Arctic Ocean off the northern coast of Alaska. The result is that Shell wasted five years and roughly $4 billion in preparation for the project. The EPA’s excuse for their latest “drill nowhere, drill never” ruling is that Shell’s exploration would have been too close (70 miles) to a 1-square-mile village named Kaktovik, Alaska, a booming metropolis of 245 residents.

Needless to say, far-left groups like Earthjustice, Center for Biological Diversity and the Alaska Wilderness League were wetting their pants with joy at their latest victory over evil oil companies who are trying to improve the lives of Americans. No big deal — just another 27 billion barrels of oil that have been left to sit underground indefinitely. When the news reached Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, they must have started celebrating and passing out cookies in the streets.

Notwithstanding this latest attack on fossil fuels, many in the media arm of the White House (ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, The New York Times, etc.) are concerned that if gas prices continue to rise, it will hurt Obama’s chances for reelection. But their concern may be unwarranted, because one of Obama’s greatest talents is his ability to deflect attention from his own economy-killing actions and attack the good guys in Alinsky-like fashion.

So how can the anti-progress progressives have their no-gas cake and eat it, too? The fact is that when it comes to high gas prices, finger-pointing is a piece of cake — greedy speculators and greedy oil companies… case closed.  It is, of course, pure nonsense, but the Homer Simpson crowd doesn’t have a clue.

Notwithstanding Bill O’Reilly’s constant drumbeat about evil oil speculators, most experts agree they have very little bearing on the price of gasoline. Remember, a smart speculator can make just as much money when gas prices go down as when they rise.

As to greedy oil companies making billions of dollars in profits, almost everyone who watches or reads the news knows the profit margins in the oil industry are relatively small compared to, say, technology companies such as Facebook, Google and Microsoft.

All other things being equal, the chief cause of rising oil prices is the continuing decline of the dollar. That ties the artificial oil crisis to the equally artificial debt-ceiling crisis, because when you raise the debt ceiling — as Congress has been doing nonstop for decades — it makes it possible for the government to spend more, in turn causing the dollar to decline.

It’s somewhat tragedy and comedy that redistribution of wealth is perhaps the chief reason for skyrocketing gas prices. I say tragedy and comedy because those who benefit most from the government’s redistribution-of-wealth policies have to give an increasingly larger percentage of their largesse back in the form of government-created higher fuel costs.

If I were king (the only government position I would ever accept), I could solve the artificial energy crisis overnight. My plan would be simple:

  • Close down the Department of Energy and the EPA, and get the government completely out of the energy business.
  • Make oil and gas drilling legal everywhere — in the Gulf, off both coasts, in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, even in your back yard — no restrictions and no exceptions.
  • Remove all restrictions on coal mining and shale-oil extraction, except for reasonable safety standards.
  • Forget arguing about tax breaks and tax credits, and just cut taxes to zero on all oil, natural gas and coal-producing companies.
  • Remove all taxes on gas at the pump for consumers.

I would announce all of the above (and many more pro-growth ideas that I could come up with by then) the day of my coronation, and I guarantee you that energy prices would quickly fall through the floor.

This would result in hundreds of billions of dollars in increased profits for gas, oil and coal companies, which in turn would result in:

  • The creation of hundreds of thousands of new jobs (and millions more indirectly), which, unfortunately, would actually increase tax revenues for those greedy guys who roam the halls of Congress.
  • Energy companies increasing, rather than decreasing, exploration and production, which would put the U.S. on a fast-track to becoming energy independent.
  • Energy companies paying higher dividends to their shareholders, most of whom are pension funds and mutual funds that represent middle-class Americans. Increased dividends would mean more money for shareholders to spend, which would be good for the economy.

The United States has at least 100 years of natural gas reserves and 200 years of coal reserves. And if I became king, I would wager that should all restrictions be lifted, we would discover we have much greater oil reserves than we now believe. The amazing truth: We are the world’s most energy-rich nation!

Congressman Dan Boren of Oklahoma — a Democrat! — summed it up succinctly when he said recently: “President Obama is completely uninformed about the oil and gas industry. … If the President doesn’t want to stand up and be a leader, then his silence would be appreciated from people who are trying to find solutions.”

Fat chance. The odds of silencing the Master of the Monologue, who is steadfastly focused on collapsing the U.S. economy, are right up there with the odds of Osama bin Laden’s showing up in Times Square.

Robert Ringer

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  • Jeremy Leochner

    The best I can figure is oil and gas are finite unrenewable resources. As much as I need a tank of gas I would prefer that those who are responsible for it not have free reign to do so primarily in light of recent events like the Gulf Oil Spill which demonstrated a extreme lack of safety regulations on the part of various oil companies. I believe such companies need to be keep under scrutiny to prevent such neglect or abuse of wealth and resources.
    A great issue with allowing oil drilling everywhere is basic reasons of nature and conservation. With respect I would say enviornment is important and if such a source requires such effort and resources to find perhaps in the long run it would be better to fund study and research into more reliable more infinite resources like wind, water and solar power. Perhaps then there would be no need to drill everywhere and both enviormentalists and economists could be satisfied.
    The primary issue with reasonable standards is they require government involvment to enforce them. One cannot choose not to buy gas from an unsafe comapny when their prices are less then the other companies. Regulations require legal consequences since we the people require the product that oil companies provide but cannot directly act against them. We need compotent people to run such organizations as the EPA and Departments like Energy but we need them to exsist to get their intended purpose which is to provide a safty net against enviormental and energy abuses. Abuses can be made by such organzations which is why we the people must find the best people or the best way to run them smoothly, effectivily and efficiently but they are needed to ensure the same standards apply to groups that are otherwise outside of the influence of the people in terms of vote and choice.
    As to taxes I feel the best option is to cut spending perhaps by trying to end the many wars in the Middle East as best we can so as to remove a major source of spending. And again a reason I believe to invest in other sources so as to prevent such a regions instability from effecting energy prices half a world away.
    Gas prices are determined by supply and demand, political situations in the primary region in which the source is, individual company choice though based mainly on supply and demand, speculation and the strength of the dollar. While perhaps the President can effect the dollar I would say unless the President created a policy demanding or requiring people to drive a certain amount every day I dont think he can control such matters. Yes perhaps rasing the debt ceiling does weaken the dollar but I believe demand is a much bigger factor when taken into account the chaos in the middle east and the lack of suffficient places to drill so often mentioned.

    • http://foundersrevolution.blogspot.com patriot1776

      Wow! you drink the same Kool-Aid I used to! Glad I have educated myself beyond that now. you couldn’t be a better mouth piece for our Federal masters if you tried.

      • FreedomFighter

        Inexpensive Electric generation, vehicle fuel, is the single most facilitator of economic success, esp in a modern industrial superpower like the United States.

        No power, no go enonomy.

        Expensive power, clippled enonomy — probably being proped up by quanitative easing, shame-full and inaccurate measures of inflation, to hide incompetance, maybe throw in an old crippled terrorist to distract from such incompetence. — wait it gets worse.

        Now utterly restrict exploitation of current US resources — would probably power the entire country for 500 years or more — wit-out importing diddly-squatter-eastern oils.

        In my opinion, we as conservative, constitutional Americans need take back local, state, and national political offices.

        1. Use ground floor local an state positions to stop, slow and reverse liberal folly – high taxation-spending…

        2. Use state and national positions to return America to contitutional greatness and rid ourselves and future generations of the wanna-be enslavers, Progressive-liberal-Socialist-Communist or Democ-rats for short.

        3. In my opinion the coming robotics manufacturing explosion will make populations like India an China – un-needed. Robots work 24-7, dont tire, dont get bored…

        only need power, lots an lots of power.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • vicki

          http://store.makerbot.com/makerbot-thing-o-matic.html

          Version 1.0 It can not make itself yet but it can make many of the parts needed to make itself. As you said it will need energy and certain raw materials.

        • Christin

          Well said Freedom Fighter,

          You have summed up our unfortunate predictament and way out.

          Robert Ringer,

          Another GOOD article and GREAT title, “Drill Nowhere, Drill Never”, …just about sums up this administration under the UN and NWO take down of America road block.

          Keep up the great work guys!

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I have drank no kool aid patriot. I believe we must keep the Federal Government under scrutiny at all times. Its just that I also believe that when compotently lead the government can be useful.

        • bob wire

          Jeremy, I tend to believe this enlightenment might possibly come in a “pill form” negating the need to be bitten by a werewolf. If they might expand in their scoffing long enough to tantalize ones interest and offer some explanation, I might feel differently. ~ But it seems that it’s just too complicate and time consuming to do for “lesser” minds.

          It appears “They Know” and aren’t telling! left Banished to the abyss or attend their meeting and absorb their manifesto.

          Seems it’s a red or blue pill choice. Take the red and wake up in your own bed and everything is as it was or the Blue pill and see the world the way it really is.

          Nice drama ~ no?

          But with a lead in that starts “Since the Obamaviks descended upon the nation’s capital in January of 2009, the government has dramatically improved its ability to carry out its two main functions — redistributing wealth and creating crises.”

          I’m very apprehensive of such a pill, not wanting to wake up and have two heads.

          • http://Verizon Bud G.

            Well said Bob Wire but I have to say I know who this President is and what he stands for and it isn’t good.

            I am a conservative but I listen to other peoples opinions on issues and always wish to be polite in a response.

            There is a video on you tube titled “Not natural born” which has President Obama telling the audience that he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii and he recently produced the long form of his birth certificate of his birth in Hawaii. Seems to be an incredibly stupid thing to do in light of that video. What now?

        • 2WarAbnVet

          Just where would one find this mythical “competently led government” you speak of? Such a creature has eluded us for nigh on a century.

    • vagabond

      jeremy I think you and all tree hugging IDIOTS should be barred from having a license do opperate a motor vehicle of any kind.further you should have to pay 10 times the going rate for heating and cooling your sorry asses. the only thing you slimeballs accomplish is the loss of jobs and driving up prices for all of us, get your head out of your ass and wake up to reality,

      • http://aol Bill

        I’m sorry you right wingers are so uneducated, and listen to the uneducated as Rush and his coherts, that you never learned that if America increased production a billion barrels a year the price of gas would hardly waver a penny or two as oil prices are regulated by the world market. Please, repubs, go back to school and get your GED.

        • DaveH

          Bill,
          You are as ignorant as the Repubs that you attempt to disparage.
          The high gasoline prices are a result of Big Government, period. Excess money creation which decreases the value of the dollar, Market stifling regulations which decrease the supply, and high taxes piled on to the pump prices. All those things and others come together in the perfect tsunami of high gasoline prices.
          Read this article, Bill, and get some of that education you tout:
          http://mises.org/daily/5111/What-Can-We-Do-about-Gasoline-Prices

          • independant thinker

            “and high taxes piled on to the pump prices.”

            I would dissagree with the taxes at the pump statement to the extent said taxes are used to build and maintain our highways and only that.

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Independant:

            If all those billions upon billions of taxes are used to maintain our highways and biways, why are they supposedly falling apart to the point that Little Barry the Kenyan wants to spend hundreds upon hundreds of billions more, OF BORROWED MONEY, to “re-build our highways?

          • Eddie47d

            Gasoline taxes on average is $.47. So not much of that $3.85 is going to the government or to fix roads.

          • DaveH
          • chucky

            And I can’t wait until the Obama administration taxes the hell out of the big bad wolf oil companies because they would never pass the expense of that back to us, the consumer.(sarcasm) The over printing of currency which de-values it in the world market, wall street speculation also is a factor. Oil needs to be regulated by the B.P.U. and considered a utility where they must go before the B.P.U. just like the gas and electric company has to and explain why the price increase is needed. this would regulate the oil prices

          • DaveH

            We experienced this same thing in the 1970s. Inflation started rearing its ugly head, and the propaganda networks began spinning their tales. As usual, Oil companies were to blame (so the Government said). Ted Kennedy particularly was blowing a lot of smoke about setting up a company to sell gasoline cheap and prove that fact. It of course didn’t happen. Funny thing, as usual with Liberals, he was all talk and no substance. For some reason, Oil Companies are the Government’s favorite whipping boys when inflation starts manifesting itself. You will never hear the Government blaming the inflation on the real culprit — themselves.

          • DaveH

            Chucky,
            Oh sure, bring the Government into the equation, that will lower the prices (NOT!). Utility Commissions are famous for setting prices at the lowest common denominator, i.e. so the weakest utility provider can survive. With Government meddling, there is no incentive to excel. If more regulations were the answer to prosperity, then Cuba and Mexico would be prosperous countries.
            For the real skinny:
            http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n1/v15n1-8.pdf

          • bob wire

            Big Oil alone is not so much the problem as are the middle men. All attempt to address wall street have failed are far as I know.

            100 dollars a barrel is a good price for crude, It provides the cash flow needed to grow and prosper while at the same time encouraging the search for options as it is heard so often “necessity is the mother of invention.”

            This price requires us to be conservative and thrifty. While not to suggest this cost doesn’t affect some people and activities in a disproportionate and hurtful way.

            For an example Shrimper back in 97 were paying $15,000.00 to top their tanks of marine diesel (void of road tax and dyed red) for a 7 day shrimping trip. While the price of shrimp was down. ~needless to say, few bothered. Less shrimp caught and the market price rose, but it was too little and too late and a season of shrimping was lost. This hurts business and people. They get behind and lose their boats, houses, wives and kids, etc.

            So if stable markets are for sale at the price of oil companies subsidies, ~ okay , so be it ~ but are the American people getting what they are paying for?

            As long as the Oil industry pays their taxes and conducts their affairs in a mindful, professional manner, HONORS THEIR OBLIGATIONS and are good neighbors I take small concern with their record profits.

            But when they don’t, Houston we’ve got a problem. They are too larger and greatly effect the balance of too many things to be permitted free reign to do as they wish. ~ That seems clear enough to me.

            But actually why they enjoy federal subsidies is unclear to me. ~

          • independant thinker

            Old Henry, I said I do not object as long as that is all they are used for not that I believe the fuel taxes are only used for building/maintaining our roads.

          • http://Verizon Bud G.

            Dave:

            You are absolutely correct and isn’t it odd that the one country who has this authority due to the exchange being the dollar would be discouraging domestic production of oil in deference to new energy during this time of crisis?

            New energy requires time to build an infrastructure and research for best and cost effective means. Wind power, which was pushed as an alternative has proven not to be on of these.

            I am all for new sources of energy but why wouldn’t we be taking advantage of recoverable oil in places like Montana which rivals the worlds largest oil producing country and reduce the dependence of foreign sources? Look no further than this administration and the EPA which is denying permits to do so.

        • Ruth B, Concerned Patriot

          Drilling in the US would not lower gas prices? Related to world market? Maybe you can explain further why drilling millions of barrels a day would not effect the world market, when we would no longer need to rely on Middle East nations (who hate us, by the way, and could cut off our present supply if they wanted) Do you believe in supply and demand?

          • Jovianus

            Ummmm..Ruth…US domestic oil production has increased in 2009 and 2010. See any changes in gas at the pump? I suggest you research oil pricing and the international market. You might also look at the imports we need and how the pricing on the oil markets affects us.

            Fact is…we have increased production and we will remain at the beck and call of the oil powers of the Middle East, Africa and South America until we get ourselves off oil as a primary energy source.

          • vicki

            The problem with propaganda like that offered by Jovianus is, of course that neither facts nor history will support the lies.

            http://www.helium.com/items/1116199-offshore-oil-drilling-may-start-again-in-the-us

          • Jovianus

            Sigh. Vicki: before you go and challenge a verifiable set of data values, best check yourself or you may end up making yourself look like the rear end of a mule. Try Department of Energy Statistics on domestic oil production. Now what was that about facts and lies?

            http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS2&f=M

          • patty

            Jovi- DID YOU LOOK AT THE SIGHT YOU POSTED??? Our oil production is down 1,200 barrels per day from 1995 to 2010 accrding to the chart.

          • vicki

            Patty. I am just happy that a liberal actually tried to provide a cite to backup one of their lies.

          • Patty

            Vicki-It is just the same BS. It is the typical liberal BS. Throw a statistic out there and people will believe it. NOT.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_of_statistics
            Just like polling. I did work as a 2nd job for a tele-based polling place. They slant the questions. One was about MI building a new stadium. The question was do you want a taxpayer funded stadium in this city or that city. Nowhere on the questionnaire was a question asking if taxpayers should pay for the stadium. So when the results were in, it was 40% wanted a stadium here and 60% wanted it there.
            Skewed questions, skewed results. Garbage in/garbage out.

        • Bob from Calif.

          Energy independent means lower gas prices for Americans. Whats so hard about that to understand MR Educated.

          • Jovianus

            Bob…what does energy independence have to do with lower gas prices at the pump? In all actuality, energy independence means oil shoiuld cost more as we wean ourselves off it as the basis for our major energy needs and turn to alternatives which increase our national security.

            Now…if you want to increase the dangers to our national security and well being in return for a lower price at the pump, say so. But don’t go off ranting about gas prices and then say all will be well if we increase production more than we are.

            BTW..without a massive overturning of our environmental protections and laying bare our health and well-being, odds of increasing production to where we are truly independent of oil imports is impossible. Even then, it’s highly unlikely we could ever be oil independent … heck, it’s unlikely we can ever return to 50/50 domestic versus import even if we somehow can drill without regard to health and safety.

          • vicki

            Jovanus writes:
            “…BTW..without a massive overturning of our environmental protections and laying bare our health and well-being, odds of increasing production to where we are truly independent of oil imports is impossible….”

            Interesting that liberals are always telling us we have to get off of “oil” cause it is dangerous to get and use but they don’t seem overly worried about Brazil getting oil to sell to us. Nor do they seem overly concerned about all those poor people in other countries that bring oil to world markets.

          • Eddie47d

            Vickie; We can’t be concerned about poor people around the world because you’d cut off funding anyway. LOL We should be more concerned about the shrinking middle class here which was the envy of the world.

          • vicki

            Eddie47d. The reason the middle class is shrinking is cause the government is taking so much money and funding all those other governments pretending to fund the poor people living under those governments.

            Worry about the poor but the United Way, Red Cross etc is the way to fund them.
            Taking the wealth from the people (at gunpoint) and giving it to others is not.

        • Carlucci

          Bill – are you new to this blog? Many people posting to this blog are not “right wing”, or RINOs. Pull your head out.

          • Carlucci

            P.S. And I hate Rush Limbaugh.

          • Jovianus

            Bill… in line with what Carlucci wrote…many posting here may not be called RINOs or whatever their current vernacular is. I’d say “lunatic fringe” would be more accurate.

          • Carlucci

            “lunatic fringe”, Jovi? Aren’t you describing your people – the libtards?

          • Al Sieber

            Carlucci, I’m with you.

        • http://runanddietired@sbcglobal.net Ron

          We have two (2) rules.
          1. Law of supply and demand. Lots of supply = low price and the opposite.
          2. You can`t fix stupid.

        • JC

          Bill says:
          May 10, 2011 at 9:14 am
          … the price of gas would hardly waver a penny or two as oil prices are regulated by the world market.
          ________________________________________________________________

          Kinda missed the whole point didn’t ya Bill?

          “Our oil”, we use it, We don’t buy on the world market, at all…
          (am I going too fast for ya?)
          And we don’t sell it on the world market…
          (still with me?)

          I’ll leave you to be all smug in your liberal enlightenment.

      • Jana

        Jeremy,
        The ones that the oil spill really hurt was the ones living in the Gulf states that were not allowed to go back to work. There are natural oil seepages going on all the time. One of them is in the Gulf of Campeche. Guess what, nature takes care of it, and the sea creatures are thriving.
        Sure so much oil at once like we had during the BP crisis kills the fish for a time, but they do and will get built back up.
        Lets see though, what happens when Obama said no more drilling. Thousands of people who depended on drilling and oil platforms and the industries that provided food and other services for those platforms are all without a job. So are the industries that are the recipients of that oil without a job.
        Of course we need energy options, but they have NOT been developed enough to provide what is needed efficiently or sufficiently.
        Do you realize all of the products that are made from oil? For one, the very computer you are using is a product of oil. Plastics such as your phones etc. Look around your house and see all the plastics that are used.
        Electricity is fueled by oil energy. Since we are human beings here, we all just can’t go dormant until someone figures out a viable way to alternate energy. We need to work on alternate energy while using the resources that God gave us to use, or in your case I would have to say that nature gave us to use.

        • Jeremy Leochner

          I can respect that Jana. My only point is if a major corporation makes a mistake or if a certain course of action like off shore drilling results in a terrible accident that hurts many- both people and animal in both the long and the short term it seems a reasonable idea to stop the action of making more offshore drills for the sack of examination to prevent future mistakes. For one thing when the CEOS of other major Oil and Gas Companies presented their own contingency plans for what to do should such an incident happen to them it turned out that all their plans were effectively the same, in at least one case it was a direct copy of another companies plans. Had such investigations not been done such lax safety regulations could have remained unknown to the general public and no legal action taken against it.
          As to alternatives im not saying switch now. That would be impractical and counter productive. What I will say is as you said right now there is no alternative too gas. Since gas is a finite resource that may require drilling in a way that would unreasonably effect the enviornment I feel we need to push for some form of alternative. One day we will need to switch from gas and oil, best to start looking now so we dont have to worry about it later.

    • Midnite

      Wake up! Geithner and Bernanke are the spend and print money twins. The congress has no control over Geithner or Bernanke. How about making the countries where our troops are deployed, pay for the protection we are providing them, like S. Korea, since 1954? What about significantly reducing our foreign aid to approximately 85% of the countries in the world? Relative to energy, drill, use coal and natural gas and when you invent something better, we will use it.

      You are a true tree hugger. Was the Kool-Aid that good?

      • JiimCO

        You do realize that our foreign aid amounts to $22 billion of which $11 billion is military aid and the other is farm commodities … in essence you are telling companies like General Dynamics and Raytheon to cut your work force. You are also telling farmers, sell your produce elsewhere, we aren’t buying it anymore … just how is this supposed to help the economy?

        • Conservative at Birht

          Have you never heard of the FREE Market? You probably don’t believe in freedom!

          • Chris

            And you, obviously, never learned how to spell “birth”. Do you have a birth certificate or were you planted here by some alien force?????

        • Dave

          Where did you get your facts? The truth is that we BORROW then give away 44.9 Billion in 2009 alone. That is a fact! Look it up!

    • Mick

      Jeremy..

      Forget drilling under water and start drilling where the oil is more accessible and spills easier to control, but when we have a secretary of energy advocating a $ 10 dollar a gallon price, what are we to expect,,,They prefer paying Arab countries over creating job in our own country while drastically reducing gas prices ..
      Go ahead Jeremy tell us more on how those A$$holes are looking out for America,,,,,,,,,
      As director of the Lawrence Berkley National Laboratory, Steven Chu, Obama’s secretary at the Department of Energy, said in an interview that gas taxes should slowly be increased over the next 15 years in order to force people to turn to alternative energy sources.

      Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?

      They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth.

      Here are the official estimates:

      - 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia

      - 18-times as much oil as Iraq

      - 21-times as much oil as Kuwait

      - 22-times as much oil as Iran

      - 500-times as much oil as Yemen

      - and it’s all right here in the Western United States.

      • libertytrain

        Fascinating – hmmm.

      • Carlucci

        Hey, Mick the chick – Thank you for that info on oil reserves in the USA. I just copied and pasted it and will forward to my email list.

        • Mick

          Carlucci says:
          May 10, 2011 at 1:55 pm
          Hey, Mick the chick – Thank you for that info on oil reserves in the USA. I just copied and pasted it and will forward to my email list.

          ********************
          Hey there Carlucci, no problem.
          Sorry for not answering right away but I am usually off the PC by 9 AM Pacific time.
          Like that Mick the chick by the way……

      • chucky

        We don’t need the jobs that drilling oil here in The U.S. would produce(sarcasm). We love getting involved in the hate cultures of the middle east(sarcasm). That is why The Prez told Brazil that we can’t wait to buy their oil that we gave them a couple of billion to get oil out of the ground.I would rather give them 2 billion to explore there then spend it here on jobs and developing drilling here(sarcasm) I love paying $4.50+ for a gallon of gas. I want to throw $40-50k to solar power my already upside down home why are you not estatic about that?(sarcasm)

        • http://runanddietired@sbcglobal.net Ron

          All the product coming out of Brazil has been contracted to China.

        • Mick

          chucky,,

          Yep. Why the hell not and they’re looking out for our best interest……..Duh…..

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I disagree with the Secretary of Energy. Trying to force rarely works especially in matters like gas. I believe that the administration can’t control the price of gas even if some of them may not so wisely say they want too. We do have much oil but I feel enviornment is still important. Thats a major reason for debate over offshore drilling. We need clean oceans to have a vibrant ecosystem so our planet can be healthy and vibrant too. Thats why alternatives are the best option to study and experiment with. Lets get off oil so things like gas prices and the middle east dont have such bearing on our everyday lives.

      • Jovianus

        Actually Mick…for another forum I did some research into oil shale. First off, the recoverable amount of the reserves you cite are not 8 times that of Saudi, but 3 times…or about 800 billion barrels.

        It is economical to use oilo shale when oil is about $100/gallon on the market. Just about where it is now.

        Before y’all start getting excited and wetting your pants in using this as a TPer battle cry…there’s a significant problem with extraction of oil from that shale.

        Water.

        The ‘economic extraction” costs do not figure in the cost of obtaining, using then cleaning the vast amounts of water needed. Plain and simple…it takes 3-7 time the water to produce the equivalent in oil. If you were in the PacNW…piece of cake to find the quantity of water you’ll need…but not in the Rockies. The other issue is, when the water is used in the process…where’s it going to go?

        You’re not talking about some out of the way places y’know. So where are they going to get that water…and then who’s going to pay the cost of cleaning treatment? And significantly, especially with the crops and livestock industry in the states where the shale is found…are you willing to eat the beef and crops which would be drinking/irrigated with this water ?

        PS…don’t forget the acquifer either…pollution gets in there in any signficant amounts, and you just wiped out the industries of cattle and grain in the heartland .. not to mention a few sizable cities…

    • DaveH

      No doubt, sometime in the future we will run out of oil and natural gas. But until that happens, impoverishing our country with Big Government is not the right solution. With Free Markets, as supply started dwindling (and it would not be sudden like Liberals like to think) alternative energy sources that are now not economical would start becoming economical naturally and peacefully, not the Liberal way of Control and Force. And we would be much wealthier, thus we would be able to more easily withstand the necessary economic adjustments to make that transition from fossil fuels to other sources of energy. If we make the mistake of following the Liberal advice, we will suffer now (when we don’t need to be suffering) and later too as a result of our impoverishment at the hands of those Liberals.
      Our high gasoline prices are primarily a result of Federal Reserve loose monetary policy, high Government taxes per gallon of gas, and the stifling of production by regulatory agencies of the Government. And anybody that knows anything about speculation, knows that speculators can only affect prices in the short term. Speculators risk their own money by buying futures contracts at prices they think will result in financial gains later as the markets fluctuate one way or the other. What purpose do they serve? They provide stability in the markets, by allowing companies to sell those contracts and thus know what their future prices will be which enables those companies to plan better for the months ahead. And anybody, who knows anything about companies, knows that planning ahead is essential for their success.
      I will take Voluntary Free Markets anyday over the Force and Control that Liberals like to exert.

      • Richard Pawley

        Well said! The average gallon of gas makes the oil companies less than 3 cents but makes the government at least 40 cents and in some cases 60 cents, but the POLITICIANS have to have someone to blame. It’s an old trick, just as the socialists in Germany blamed the Jews 75 years ago and the Soviet Union did too for that matter, so those who have no answers always have to have someone to blame. Bit by bit the socialists in our country are chipping away at our freedom. Although this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles we have not headed that part of the Bible that said “Owe no man anything but the debt of Love.” We made a good start last November but if we don’t kick out all those who vote for higher taxes, higher debt, and more USELESS spending in 18 months, then the fate of the USA is all but sealed. Of course the FED wants the debt raised. Their shareholders get 40 cents out of every dollar and that’s a BILLION DOLLARS a day! As far as I can tell, and I have studied this for 20 plus years, all the spending and borrowing we do is going to cost us over 250% inflation AND THAT IS THE BIGGEST TAX OF ALL! May God help us, because the progressives in congress are certainly not going to do so.

        • Mick

          Richard …………
          Nice to see someone with enough wit to see what’s really going on……Thanks..

        • DaveH

          Here is a list of gasoline taxes by state:
          http://www.commonsensejunction.com/notes/gas-tax-rate.html

        • Bob from Calif.

          I agree with you Richard, good post. This is all part of the plan of these NWO commies to bring this country to its knees. So that we will gladly accept them when our suffering is sufficent to accomplish their goals.

          • JC

            Make sure you’re prepared. No need to suffer. :)

        • Jovianus

          Mr. Pawley..here’s some data from bloomberg.

          The oil and natural gas industries earned 7.6 percent on revenues, compared to 5.8 percent for all U.S. manufacturing industries. If you used ROE data (Return on Euqity)…i.e shareholder investment of capital based on share price…the industry average return was 22.7% (33.4% in the case of Exxon)…or more than twice the manufacturing industry’s ROE.

          You use the 3 cetns/gallon profit figure. OK..what you forgot to add in was the way the oil companies have complete vertical integration and at each step of the process…from selling the extracted raw crude through the shipping, the refining, and the processing … they add a hit.

          When you add it all up, the average profit for a barrel of oil is 35% or thereabout (32.6%-42.1%).

          Now, count in the sweetheart deal we give on federal leases, and especially the subsidies we give Bog Oil, and that profit margin goes higher still.

          I’m not begrudging a companies profit opportunities…but when we are tightening the spending belt, I proffer we really don’t need to subsidize to the tune of $45 billion a year for an industry with a 35% net profit margin …

    • DaveH

      Jeremy,
      You claim to be a student. As such, I would expect that you have a desire to learn. You could start here. Pick up a copy of this book and become something more than a typical Liberal:
      http://mises.org/store/Energy-The-Master-Resource-P196.aspx

    • DaveH

      And if you just want to get your feet wet, Jeremy, read this one and start thinking Free Markets:
      http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/heritage-out-of-energy/

    • http://turnpikewesleyan.org Vern Olson

      I fail to understand our federal goverment not opening up one of our greatest sources of oil inside the borders of United States of America. That is located in North Western North Dakota. They have estimated the quanity of accessable oil there would last over 50 to 60 years at least. And the cost per barrel would be less than $35.00 to $ 40.00 . That would bring our consummers’ price down to $1.50 to $2.50 an gallon. Come on , let’s demand actionon this for our eccomnic survival.

      • Mick

        Vern Olson says:
        May 10, 2011 at 9:37 am
        I fail to understand our federal goverment not opening up one of our greatest sources of oil inside the borders of United States of America. That is located in North Western North Dakota. They have estimated the quanity of accessable oil there would last over 50 to 60 years at least. And the cost per barrel would be less than $35.00 to $ 40.00 . That would bring our consummers’ price down to $1.50 to $2.50 an gallon. Come on , let’s demand actionon this for our eccomnic survival
        *************************************************
        Vern,,,,that would make things too easy for every citizens in these United State , rich and poor…
        if the Government didn’t make things difficult everyone would be able to understand what they’re really up to….CAN”T HAVE THAT now can we !

    • http://yahoo richard

      i would like jeremy to explain how much medecine you can get from solar panels and look around you at all the things that have plastic in them how much plastic can you get from a solar panel do you like to drive? how much asphalt can you get from solar panels gasoline is a very small % of what we get from oil but as usual liberals can’t see beyond their noses

      • DaveH

        Not to mention the fact that solar panels are still not cost effective and therefore must be subsidized by Government:
        http://reason.org/news/printer/overpaying-for-green-power-1

        • Al Sieber

          DaveH, you are correct sir, I have solar panels and live off the grid, have been doing this for over 13 plus years and still have to run a generator 2 or 3 hours a day to charge my batteries.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Richard I dont mean replacing oil now. I mean lets work to find an alternative so we dont need to have so many plastic products and not have gas be such an integral part of our life. We dont have to do it now but lets do it soon so we can get it over with and so we dont have to worry about it later. Not now but as soon and best we can.

    • Tom from Idaho

      Jeremy, I haven’t seen such meaningless, uneducated, pro-government Bureaucracy drivel in a long, long time. Shows just how ignorant you truly are. There are few who I have seen on this forum who show such a lack of education on how oil companies explore for oil (who, by the way are, by regulation already in place, better stewards of the environment than most other industries). Further, if you believe that throwing more taxpayer money at a problem is the solution, you, my friend, are a part of the problem. Finally, government does not and never will produce anything – - the private sector does. Finally, I don’t see much in the lamestream media (a megaphone for you lefties) about the “environmental damage” as a result of the Gulf oil spill. This prohibition of drilling is like telling all kids that they can’t ride their bicycles because Johnny down the block broke his arm while riding his bicycle. Oh, and how’s that campaign promise by your buddy in the White House on pulling all of our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan working out for you, not to mention his war in Lybia?

      • Carlucci

        Right on, Tom from Idaho! You rock.

        • Al Sieber

          Tom and Carlucci, I second that.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I admit I didnt know about the regulation. Part of the issue is that when the various oil companies presented their plans in relation to the oil spill their plans were effectively the same as BP. Also there is evidence that many of the “regulators” meant to enforce the in place regulations were not doing so and that allowed for a lack of standards with BP just before the spill. Thats why a compotent government is needed to ensure in place regulations are enforced rather than simple regulations themselves. The government dosen’t produce things but it prevents or hinders the production of bad quality, defective or unsafe products from being released. Without government regulation comapnies could put out whatever they wished and so long as only a few people were effected they would have no reason to not make such a product again or at the very least without government regulation their could be no legal official consequences for when a company like BP neglects their safety standards so badly that it effects an entire region with economic and enviormental issues while simultaneously causing issues for other companies in their field of buisness.
        I disagree with the President for not fullfilling his promise to get us out of Afghanistan or Libya but I respect him for showing patience rather than hubris in the face of international issues.

        • patty

          Jeremy-THINK. You just said, “Also there is evidence that many of the “regulators” meant to enforce the in place regulations were not doing so and that allowed for a lack of standards with BP just before the spill”. And now you want to add yet another layer of inept people to the process? STOP. THINK about what you just said. Now, try to think out of the box. The definition of insanity, is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
          Now do you understand that duplicating the same thing is insane?

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Patty this isnt about doing the same thing. We need competent people in place to enforce the regulations and the regulations to fullfill their intended purpose. Just because people neglect dosen’t mean the regulations are worthless. We can find good people to run the government and if we work hard we can get these people elected. There are good people who would make good leaders. If they can be found and elected through work and good campaigning we can have a competent government which could enforce current regulations and make more regulations unecessary. Its about fixing the system with better people rather than retrying the same system with the same people or simply replacing the whole system. If good people are put in charge the system is both useful, productive and important for our country. And at least with government we can change the people in charge. We the people cant do that with corporations because that would be called “socialist” or “communist”. Radical change wont fix things. Changing the people will. The trick is finding good people. But I figure they are out there if the American People are given the truth they will vote accordingly if encouraged to believe in their vote. Lets work to get rid of those lazy or corrupt politicians who ignore their responsibilities to the people and give government service a bad name.

          • Mick

            jeremy…
            I don’t think anyone will argue with you about needing competent leaders but above all we mostly need leaders with integrity and Obama , Pelosi , Reid and company ain’t it.
            As for having some good people in our country capable of leading with honesty , we certainly have and had some but as soon as they hit the D.C. border all goes to Sh&t, the new kid on the block is no match for the D.C. gang, the sooner you understand that the better off we will all be.

          • Patty

            Jeremy-I agree totally. But that is the problem. No one with any integrity wants their life put under a microscope and vilified and victimized. They (gov’t./good ol boys club) have it set up for that very purpose. They attack any/everyone who wants to bring any real change to the federal gov’t. Until there are checks and balances in place so that we can hold these people accountable, they (the gov’t.) entity should be stripped away. They have immunity to everything they do. Do you? I don’t. And with all the voter fraud, you can’t seem to make the change anyways. If there is something in my house that isn’t fixable, I throw it out. If, we the people, have to oversee every step they take, why have them? That is like me having to sit and watch every entry one of my employees make. What the heck do I need them for if I have to sit and watch them to make sure they don’t screw it up.

        • Patty

          Jeremy-Also, I don’t consider Obama as being “patient”, I observe him at his usual stance of “present”, no opinion, fence sitting, let someone else make the decisions so he could not be blamed. I view this whole administration as one big wag the tail.

      • Mick

        Tom, Carlucci and Al Please add me to the list…..

        • Patty

          And you can add me also.

    • Void1972

      Jeremy
      As soon as we get an American as president, we will start drilling out west and in the Anwr Provence of Alaska.
      The rst of the world will be fighting over the short supply of Middle Eastern oil, as billions of barrels flow in America.
      Russia also has many billions of barrels and many more trillions of barrels left on the planet.
      At the worlds current consumption, we have enough oil for at least 600 years.
      The odds are better, we run out of humans on the planet, before we run out of oil.

    • Carlucci

      Jeremy – You need a spelling lesson. It is affect, not effect. It is competent, not compotent, etc.

      FYI – Oil is a renewable resource. Many wells that went dry years ago are now full of oil.

      Hopefully one day you will wake up and understand that virtually everything an intrusive government does is not good. I guess you can think about that while you are riding your bicycle to work – if you can find a job.

      • Jovianus

        Oil is a renewable resource? LOL … hokayyyy..I guess if you want to wait a few million years you can say that. As far as dry wells now being pumped…you might want to take a look at “fracturing’ and what it is doing to the water supplies in the areas where it is practiced. I can see it now sitting in a restaurant …and the waiter comes and says ‘would you like more methane in your water sir?”

        • Carlucci

          Actually Jovi, it can take anywhere from five to twenty five years for a well to replenish. It happened to a friend of mine in Arkansas who was supplying oil from his well to FINA. I remember reading articles about this same thing several years ago.

          If you are so dead set against oil production and fossil fuels, why don’t you stop driving, sell your car or truck, and get a bicycle? Why don’t you stop getting on airplanes? And while you are at it, stop cooling and heating your home. Go live in a hut, you troll…

          • Carlucci

            And I’m not a “sir”. I am a lady. And you are a presumptuous insect.

          • bob wire

            a lofty lady to boot. insect?

          • patty

            Bob-I think Carlucci may have been thinking of a parasite.

        • Mick

          Carlucci says:
          May 10, 2011 at 5:10 pm
          And I’m not a “sir”. I am a lady. And you are a presumptuous insect.
          &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
          Carlucci,,,And what a lady ! Certainly my kind who is not afraid to speak her mind and goes straight to the point.Go girl…We need more of you..
          One thing is certain, I don’t feel so alone because of girls like you, now that the political correctness is being challenge by many more women I actually can find female friends….

          • Patty

            Mick – Boy, I can’t agree more! It is so hard to find female friends who don’t want to suck their “ex” husband dry financially, while they are busy trying to find a new meal ticket or have the kids calling Uncle Sam daddy.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        You got me there Carlucci. Never been a good speller. I will say I hope to use my education to get a good job. Also I have a car not a bike. Thats why I comment. I have an interest in this subject. It affects me too.

        • Carlucci

          No problem, Jeremy. I was an English major in college and get uptight about spelling, punctuation, and grammar. Don’t take it personally!
          I know you take some hits on this blog, but I believe everyone is glad that you are here.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Thank you. Glad to know im appreciated.

          • bob wire

            for an insect you should be grateful. Well, ~I suppose there’s worst things to be called. It just goes down hill from here.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Really Bob. I didn’t realize insects could type or offer opinions. I must be one gifted insect.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            Im sorry got a little selfish there. I realize you weren’t calling me an insect. Though I will say it seems a bit harsh to call Carlucci an insect just for correcting my bad spelling. I appreciate the defense Bob but you don’t have to go that far.

        • Patty

          Jeremy-I have also been “spelling challenged” at times. Something that I know takes more time but could really help you is to open up your word docs, type in your comment, do spell check, copy and paste. It is time consuming but it can self teach you how to spell better. Just shows another failure of our educational system and why we should abolish it at the federal level.

      • Al Sieber

        Carlucci, I agree. I am a exploration geologist for minerals, metals, etc. with a small background in oil exploration. ever hear of Abiotic oil? oil is not fossil fuel, it’s made in the earth by natural chemical process. oil wells replenish themselves.

    • JC

      Jeremy Leochner says:

      May 10, 2011 at 2:46 am

      The best I can figure is oil and gas are finite unrenewable resources. As much as I need a tank of gas I would prefer that those who are responsible for it not have free reign to do so primarily in light of recent events like the Gulf Oil Spill which demonstrated a extreme lack of safety regulations on the part of various oil companies. I believe such companies need to be keep under scrutiny to prevent such neglect or abuse of wealth and resources.
      ____________________________________________________________

      That’s too simplistic to be real. Jeremey, are you suggesting that there is some sort of all knowing benevolent government that we can rely on to “regulate” any business in any way?
      Come on Man! Government is too easily corrupted for that.

      What we “need” is a system of Justice that is not politically motivated, but operates with integrity and moral fortitude.
      One that punishes (severely) any entity that damages our environment due to negligence (accidents do happen) as well as punishes any kind of graft.

      Justice…not Government.

      • Mick

        What we “need” is a system of Justice that is not politically motivated, but operates with integrity and moral fortitude.
        One that punishes (severely) any entity that damages our environment due to negligence (accidents do happen) as well as punishes any kind of graft.

        Justice…not Government.
        ******************************************************
        JC
        This is one of the truest statement I have seen in a long time.
        If by any chance the justice system gets reestablished to its original purpose all things will fall right in to place ….

        • JC

          Thanks Mick.
          It seems so simple, its amazing to me that more people don’t “get it”.

    • http://al@bellaproducts.com al metcalf

      Jeremy,
      First let me say that the recent Gulf Spill, as it is called, was not a spill. It was an explosion of an above surface tank on the rig itself. Supposedly this tank had accumulated gas and this was the cause of the explosion. This explanation, is in fact not true nor is there anyway for it to be true. There is no way for an above surface tank to accumulate gas on a drilling rig as the tanks are expansion devices and accept only liquid and the gas is handled separately.

      You will notice in the videos of the ‘accident’ that the primary firefighting tool was pressurized water fired from boats on the surface around the rig. Water is not the method of putting out a rig fire due to the fact that water does no extinguish oil, it merely makes it more volitile and spreads the fire. So you might wonder why water was used as the extinguishing agent. You might also wonder, if we had actually used the correct foaming agent, and in fact stopped the fire and the rig was still intact, would we have found what caused the explosion in the first place?
      It is almost a certainty that this would have been the case. But, you see, the fire was supposed to completely collapse the rig and drop it into the sea and thereby forever concealing what caused this explosion on this rig at 3 AM in the morning.
      You might ask yourself, who gains from this kind of an issue? Does BP or the Contractor gain anything by cutting corners or placing the wrong size BOP on the wellhead?
      No, and that is why they did not cause the accident.
      It is always in the best interests of the Rig Company, the Contractor and the Oil Company to always spend every penny needed to bring the well into production in the most timely and safest method possible. To do otherwise is to throw their capital in the toilet.
      So who gained in this ‘Travesty of an Oil Accident’? Think about it, I am sure you will arrive at the correct conclusion.
      Politics is a dirty business even when it is honest, but right now the politicians are attempting to finish destroying the social order of this country and they will do everything necessary to complete the job which has been underway for the last 100 years. The goal of the Obama administration is to bring this Capitalist Nation into the Social Order of Europe so we will all be nice happy little socialist in a World Communism.
      When Obama said he was going to redristribute the wealth of this nation he was not kidding, he really meant he was going to make all of us Citizens of a World Communism, of course he thinks he will be in charge of it all. Guess again Obama!!

      • Carlucci

        al metcalf – thank you for that explanation. I had no idea what really caused the BP mess, and how it was supposed to be dealt with.

        And I agree 100 percent with your excellent perception and comments about B.O.

    • Patty

      Jeremy – The reason for the oil spill was because OF the EPA. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/gulf-oil-spill-claims-first-obama-administration-official.html Had they done thier due diligence, and inspections, this spill my have been avoided. The Obama administration issued the permit for BP to deep water drill. The obama administration received the most in 2008 in political contributions. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html
      Obama’s big push for electric cars sounds great except for the fact that our electrical grids won’t handle the demand and to do that, we would have to upgrade the grids and use more coal and nuclear. All of which are off limits.
      We have an abundant amount of oil that is not deep water drilling. Tap it, bring some competition to the market and continue to look for alternative fuels. Me personally, I live in MN. No way am I going to get stranded in 30 below temps. I am already being forced to use their lousy light bulbs. Actually, I tried them and went on line and ordered cases of good light bulbs.

    • Pete

      Jeremy,

      If an OIL COMPANY causes an ecological disaster – they should be held accountable for damages ! That’s just common sense..

      But the Tortoise (Mr. Ringer) policy change, if he was king, would give us energy independence. That energy independence means we don’t need oil from the Middle East. War over Oil would not be necessary !

      So I have to agree with the Tortoise on this one. If Congress and the Prez took his advice, we wouldn’t have to ammend the Constitution either to make Mr. Ringer king ….. PLUS we would have cheaper energy costs – that means more money in my pocket !

      Mr. Ringer, how about running for President ?

  • ED FOUTS

    OBAMA THE BIGGEST FRAUD IN AMERICAN HISTORY–WAKE UP PEOPLE AND SEE THE DESTRUCTION HE HAS ALREADY DONE TO THE PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY.
    FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS -DUMP THIS LIAR VOTE OUT THE CRIMINAL.

    • http://vur.me/wallyp/yK Wally Pieper

      I’m afraid I have some very bad news for those who are wishing and praying for Maobama’s early exit from our house. The organization around him ie: Acorn, Americorps, Apollo Alliance, New Black Panthers, Old Black Panthers, SEIU, AFL – CIO, AFT, All public employee unions, Student Loan Students just to name a few, has GUARANTEED a victory for Maobama.

      What really pisses this old vet (USAF ’56 – ’64) off is my service was totally wasted on a society too damn lazy to get off their dead asses to vote much less stay abreast of current affairs and issues.

      What you have allowed to be created is going to destroy every freedom you now enjoy. I’m too old to see the end result of your self – indulgence, but you have stolen my children’s and grand children’s future, and doomed them to a life of servitude to a dictator, whether Maobama or a successor. I hope you’re all damned happy for your success.

      Blood is shooting from my eyes, so I’ve got to sign off.

      Wally Pieper

      • Mick

        Wally Pieper says:
        May 10, 2011 at 8:29 am
        I’m afraid I have some very bad news for those who are wishing and praying for Maobama’s early exit from our house. The organization around him ie: Acorn, Americorps, Apollo Alliance, New Black Panthers, Old Black Panthers, SEIU, AFL – CIO, AFT, All public employee unions, Student Loan Students just to name a few, has GUARANTEED a victory for Maobama.

        What really pisses this old vet (USAF ’56 – ’64) off is my service was totally wasted on a society too damn lazy to get off their dead asses to vote much less stay abreast of current affairs and issues.

        What you have allowed to be created is going to destroy every freedom you now enjoy. I’m too old to see the end result of your self – indulgence, but you have stolen my children’s and grand children’s future, and doomed them to a life of servitude to a dictator, whether Maobama or a successor. I hope you’re all damned happy for your success.

        Blood is shooting from my eyes, so I’ve got to sign off.

        Wally Pieper

        %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

        Wally ,,,

        You are absolutely right by feeling the way you do.
        This American society has lost the pride to be American and it’s a shame that you as many others had to give their lives and limbs for such an ungrateful bunch of morons.
        I for one will never HELP anyone friends or foes voting for the very people destroying the American way of life, foreigners can kiss my sorry A$$ unless they’re willing to live in our country according to our rules not theirs and if people are too stupid to see what’s happening they can just fend for themselves.
        Thank you for your service Wally, you did what you had to do and I am sorry that you and your fellow soldiers had to sacrifice so much to preserve a society who lost their moral values….

      • theodorej

        Wally….. You paint a very dismal scary picture…I say to you.. Have Faith!…If God is to have mercy on this free nation Good People can no longer aford to be silent…We must get rid of the RINOs such as that whimpering RINO Boehner…This government is succeeding in empowering the poor and in the process the likes of Hollywood and a multitude of trial lawyers are triumphing over their success…The likes of the ACLU and the rather large nosed bolshiviks in the aformentioned organizations stick together we should try this ourselves..

        • http://vur.me/wallyp/yK Wally Pieper

          I’m armed and ready for street to street if that’s what’s called for.

          • Mick

            Wally Pieper says:
            May 10, 2011 at 9:37 am
            I’m armed and ready for street to street if that’s what’s called for.

            ********************************
            Wally,,,,Same here including many others and liberals won’t be able to talk their way out of this one when the sh%t hits the fan……………

          • Void1972

            Wally,
            We are all ready, but first they will break us financially, they are taking our jobs, our homes, keeping us sucking on the breast of the US payroll, giving us just enough to survive. Keeping the majority of minorities as ignorant as ever, to continue getting their vote.
            They will pit American against American, Liberal against Conservative, Black against White, culture against culture and in the end, the UN troops against those of us who survive.
            The time to act is now, but nobody seems to care. We are too busy watching sports, demented movies, the house wives of demented corrupt cities, and the freaks of the Jersey Shore.
            Keep the sheep occupied and entertained, and have total control.
            “Keep your people drunk, keep your people stoned, let them all get high, and they will all be owned”
            This is the America that was created from the 60s. The communist have won the war.
            Take care of your family; educate your children to what is coming.
            Keep your faith in God, and enjoy the time we have left.
            God Bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

      • Tom Hankes

        Wally,

        I’m also an USAF vet (68-72) and feel exactly as you do.

        I have not totally given up yet. Although about 50% of the electorate is totally clueless about this Marxist monster they put in the White House, I am encouraged by several factors:

        The emergence of multiple States’ opposition to Obamacare

        The spontaneous Tea Party movement which will continue to grow

        The success of Conservatives in the Nov 10 elections.

        That elections are largely determined by economics. The price of key staples such as gas, cigarettes, heating oil, food will provide head winds for the Demoncrats.

        Citizens at the local level are starting to understand how important local politics are. Increasing voter participation in the mid terms is a positive development.

        The equity markets are getting ready to puke big time. You will not see Obama get re-elected when stocks are down 20-40% or more. Key market technicians (the ones who are objective) project the worst bear market ever (which is driven by social moods i.e. hatred of the government they have for one) Remember why McCain lost — the stock market was tanking in the Fall of 2008. This coming bear market will be worse unfortunately. (I’m in the business and I know what’s coming.)

        Many 2008 Obama voters I’ve talked to are starting to belatedly wake up
        and realize they blundered; I talk to many every week.

        Those are just a few of the reasons I’m encouraged.

        Just remember the words of Winston Churchill: “Americans always do the right thing, after exhausting all other available alternatives”

        • Mick

          Tom….
          For America’s sake .i certainly hope you’re right……….

          • Carlucci

            Me, too. And for what it’s worth, I get very inspired and hopeful when I read posts by the many people on here who have a working brain and eyes to see what is really going on.

            For the libtards, it is called “discernment”. Look into it.

        • http://vur.me/wallyp/yK Wally Pieper

          Tom, to quote another great Brit, Maggie Thatcher, “Socialism works well, until you run out of other peoples money to spend”. Our problem is there are still enough deep pockets for Maobama and friends to reach into for resources for a long time. Those with large resource pools need to get out of the country. That’s not an act of cowardice, it’s an act heroism and concern for the US. Without OPM, Maobama is without resources. His ability to borrow is diminishing by the day, so you see, the wealthy to save our once great Republic must temporarily abandon her. How’s that for some convoluted logic.

          • Richard Pawley

            I have read that some of the very rich have done just that, and some 200,000 a year of regular (not rich) Americans leave each year as well. I wrote about this some in my autobiography and 6 out of 7 I discussed this with told me that it was because of what was happening to the economy. Can’t think of anyplace I’d rather be though, so I suggest we stay (and pray) and fight for our nation while it is still free. The suffering that is coming may be held off a while if enough people do that. Otherwise get ready for horrendous inflation causing by the destruction of the middle class by the union bosses, socialists in congress, and those who hate the USA and would like to see her fail, and the squandering of all the money we can borrow or get away creating out of thin air as the FED and Treasury are doing now.

            We need a balanced budget amendment like some of the states have but congress is as addicted to spending as if they were on drugs, but don’t forget they can be replaced in 18 months if enough people care.

          • Tom Hankes

            Wally,

            I’m with you on your “convoluted logic”. And I agree. There are some disturbing trends to limit capital outflow, to limit travel, and to limit communication and free speech. The less capital they can access, the quicker the Congress will have to face the reality that they don’t have an unlimited credit card. Obama through Soros is attempting to implement his Socialist utopia:

            Last year’s proposal by the DOL and the IRS to “voluntarily” purchase “safe” government annuities (let’s call it what it is: government theft of your money.) This is a form of “exchange control” — very troubling

            The newly proposed passport by the government (State Department I think) which they say will only take 45 minutes to complete ( I couldn’t fill that thing out if I had 45 years). It’s unbelievable.

            You would think the sexual assaults by the TSA preditors and now the proposed increase in checks in our rail system would so anger americans that they would be revolting in mass. Why they aren’t is a total mystery to me.

            I’m short of time or would write more.

            The veins are bulging in my neck as I write this. I’m as angry as you Wally.

          • Patty

            Tom H. – They are not revolting because they are sheeple. Personally, I flew to NY 2 months after 9/11. I have not flown since and do not plan to in the future. Not only because of the TSA but because the airlines want to charge me extra for my carry on. Girls gotta have a couple pair of shoes to take with them ya know!

        • Richard Pawley

          My service in the USAF overlapped Wally’s a bit and I agree with most of what he is saying (you too). Unfortunately it is not just the president but those who elected him and a congress that is so easily subverted by the powers in Washington. We have to hold their feet to the fire. They are under pressures (and temptations) we can’t imagine but they work for us, and if they just capitulate to the powers that be, then we must replace them – all of them except the few handful who fight on for sound and smaller government and less business control of government (banks and multi-nationals). Ultimately I am convinced that unless we return to the God of our founders, and not the false god of government and especially socialism…well, I’d rather not say, but believers understand. The ten commandments that the ACLU are so opposed to are ever the most basic guiding principles and the law of the universe is such that we all will get what we sow. Those who would be god will find that job already taken and all the harm they cause others they themselves must experience. This is what is so pathetic about those who would sell their freedom for a mess of porridge and the foundational principles of the universe are such that no one, good or bad, gets away with anything. Terrorists and murderers must experience all the havoc and pain they cause others and while they must be stopped what awaits these unforgiven souls is more than any sound person would ever want to experience. The key for believers is prayer and voting, and for most others, voting. In the classic Christian paperback, GOD CALLING, Jesus explained several hundred things to two woman in England over a ten year period. The one that comes to mind is that he told them that their prayers could change the laws in Parliament, without their ever leaving their kitchen. For those who know the power of prayer “where two or more are gathered in my name” that is good to remember, and practice. Washington and indeed the nation, needs much prayer. Atheists and non-believers are not going to pray so it is up to believers to carry the load. May God help us because it doesn’t seem as if the 111th Congress is going to do much more than the worst congress in history, the 110th. Just 18 months to election but start preparing for the big inflation that is coming and you will be grateful to God that you did. May He bless all who read this.

          • http://vur.me/wallyp/yK Wally Pieper

            When I advocated a third party about two years ago at a Tea Party Rally, I was greeted with a weak round of applause and some boos. I have not abandoned that idea, but I just don’t know if this is the right time. It is probably the most singular vexing topic I wrestle with on a daily basis. It doesn’t take too much study to determine the current Republican Party is no better or worse then the Dems. As Lou Dobbs has so eloquently stated, “the two parties are two wings on the same bird”. If any real progress to successfully reclaim the US of A is made, it will require a new and vibrant ‘Conservative’ party well grounded in Constitutional and Gods Law. Now to all you Lefty Loons, I’m not advocating a religious theocracy, merely recognizing the commandments which are the basis of almost every religion is the foundation our Founding Fathers understood and applied to each and every article of the Declaration and Constitution.

            If we are to defeat the progressive/Communist element in our country, we had better gear up quickly because the Progressives have about a 100 year head start.

            God Bless Us All, and God Bless The United States of America.

            Wally Pieper

          • Patty

            Wally-The “progressives” have taken over the democrat party, the Tea Partiers will take over the Republican party. Just as democrat sheeple will always vote democrat, republican sheeple will always vote republican. It is easier and faster than trying to educate a population that doesn’t want to hear what you are saying. Just as it was easier for Ron Paul to get elected as a republican rather than run under Libertarian.

        • JeffH

          Tom Hankes, Wally and anybody else that might be interested in learning about an organization called The Oath Keepers.

          Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution.
          Our motto is “Not on our watch!”
          http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

          • Tom Hankes

            Jeff,

            Yes, a friend of mine told me about this. Thanks for the reminder; I’ll check into this some more.

            I recently watched the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich on the History channel. It was a great reminder why I would prefer to die than subject my wife sons to living under a totalitarian regime like that. Sadly, I see many similarities between pre-war Germany and what we’ve seen in the last two years. Frankly, I’m as frightened as I’ve ever been and frantically trying to get other people to grasp what I see.

          • JC

            Tom I had a similar remindr th other night watching a show about Churchill and his lone attempts to destroy Auschwitz after he became aware of it. Roosevelt said the reports (photographs and first hand testimony) were only rumors and Americans needn’t be too concerned.
            He refused to help Churchill.

            Anyhow, photgraphs of all those people being off loaded from the trains…the looks on their faces…the whole thing…

            And sat there reflecting on, “why” are all those FEMA camps out there?
            They’re set up like prisons…some on rail lines.

        • Nail Buster

          In the mid 50′s when you turned 18 it was mantory to reguster for the draft. as a young male you had an 8 year obligation to the goverment. I served 4 yrs in the navy and 4 yrs later ,after being in the standby ready reserve, I received my discharge. the military is a great learning tool, only place that you can go to the brig for being late to work, you are told what to wear, when and where, three hots and a cot, medical and dental, uncle sam loved you. you learned how socialism works, todays young are missing a good teaching tool. I truly hope the vast majorty wake up, but don’t hold your breath.

    • http://aol Bill

      If they didn’t jail the criminal Bush, they won’t jail anybody.

      • Richard Pawley

        It is congress who passes the laws and the budget!
        It is congress who passes the laws and the budget!
        It is congress who passes the laws and the budget!

  • tc

    it is clear to me the obamaviks have Alaska and the rest of the USA promised to the chinese as collateral for loans so when they hand them the keys the chinese can rape and pillage the land and sell the finished goods throughout the world.I say kill the M/F’rs now!

    • vagabond

      tc I’m with you and Fouts, we dont need the STUPID ass holes in government at all. hell we dont even need them in the US. they need to be sent to china,

  • JiimCO

    Yes Robert, let us do away with all those silly EPA rules … so your river catches on fire occasionally like the Cuyahoga did in 1969, 1952, 1941 and 3 more times, no big deal … it wasn’t exactly a prime fishing spot anyway!
    I’m sure companies will be more careful of what they do with their waste, like Hooker and the Love canal, they only buried 21,000 tons of toxic crap in neighborhood! As someone pointed out, look at BP, all those mandated safe guards are useless anyway when you can just buy off the EPA to look the other way.

    Yes drill baby drill … why if we were able to tap into all of our known oil reserves right now … the US would be energy independent for 1000 days! Then we would have to go back to our two major oil suppliers, Canada and Mexico … where did you come up with Saudi Arabia?

    On August 1, 1969, Time magazine reported on the fire and on the condition of the Cuyahoga River. The magazine stated,
    Some River! Chocolate-brown, oily, bubbling with subsurface gases, it oozes rather than flows. “Anyone who falls into the Cuyahoga does not drown,” Cleveland’s citizens joke grimly. “He decays”. . . The Federal Water Pollution Control Administration dryly notes: “The lower Cuyahoga has no visible signs of life, not even low forms such as leeches and sludge worms that usually thrive on wastes.” It is also — literally — a fire hazard.

    • Vigilant

      “Yes drill baby drill … why if we were able to tap into all of our known oil reserves right now … the US would be energy independent for 1000 days! Then we would have to go back to our two major oil suppliers, Canada and Mexico … where did you come up with Saudi Arabia?”

      1,000 days? No way in Hell you’ll be able to find a legitimate source for that bogus claim.

      He came up with Saudi Arabia since it’s in the top 3.

      • JiimCO

        CIA Data Shows U.S. Oil Reserves Depleted in 4.8 Years
        Submitted by sempiternal on Tue, 02/09/2010 – 21:57
        in Daily Paul Liberty Forum
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        votes

        At current production, the U.S. will deplete it’s oil reserves in 4.8 years. Iran and Iraq, with the 3rd and 4th largest reserves in the world respectively, each have enough to last 100 years at current production.

        CIA Oil Proved Reserves:
        https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

        CIA Oil Production:
        https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

        • JeffH

          JiimCO, CIA facts? OK, and you trust the CIA to be honest about anything? Sorry, you’ll have to come up with a more creditable source of information than the CIA…just sayin…you trust the CIA?

        • Vigilant

          JiimCO,

          Your links provide nothing beyond a cover page. Be specific and cite the paper/report from the CIA.

          Your figures will be considered propaganda until you do so.

          • Vigilant

            We’re still waiting…..

        • Patty

          Wrong JiimCo-http://www.energy.gov.ab.ca/Oil/pdfs/AB_OilReserves.pdf
          North America has 25 years of oil reserves. We use 7 billion per year. If we tapped some of that and continued to use MidEast oil (give them some competition), we would go 50 years easy.

      • disobey

        “A “Use it or Lose It” Approach to Existing Leases. Oil companies have access to 68 million acres of land, over 40 million offshore, which they are not drilling on. Drilling in open areas could significantly increase domestic oil and gas production. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will require oil companies to diligently develop these leases or turn them over so that another company can develop them.”

        Sources:

        “New Energy for America”

        Subjects: Energy, Environment

        Bunch of crap

        redistribution of wealth has been going on for 30 years
        what do you call it when a govenor gives 1.8 billion dollar tax break to the rich than raises taxes 1,84 billion? redistribution of wealth up this is happening everywhere since Raygun cut taxes on the rich 60% and doubled the tax on the working class Facts people not opinion
        all the things the right stands for are exactly that ,charter schools , privatization of everything all designed to separate our taxes and give them to corps. Redistribution of wealth UP.This notion that gov can’t do anything right is nonsense ,How about Enron,Aig,all the banks,car companies that went bankrupt and took bailouts ? redistribution of wealth UP
        Spare me your whining about the poor downtrodden rich that needs welfare.The working class is tired of supporting rich whining leeches and corporate incompentents.Even their idol Ayn Rand took gov aid eventually.And I have news for you greed ,and selfishness are not virtues
        Spare us the lies about drilling the poor non tax paying oil companies have thousands of leases they are not acting on ask them why they ate not drilling noone is stoping them.
        The right has no accomplishments at all look around see the results of Reaganomics it ruined the world

        I for one do not want Plutocracy which it seems is desired on this site.And that is where were headed

      • Carlucci

        Vigilant – welcome back!

        • Vigilant

          Thank you! I’ve been busy.

          Glad to see you are still here to provide your insightful remarks.

    • Don

      If i am reading you right, the EPA isn’t doing there job as it is, so why not defund them and put the money into drill baby drill !!!

      • Mick

        Don says:
        May 10, 2011 at 9:28 am
        If i am reading you right, the EPA isn’t doing there job as it is, so why not defund them and put the money into drill baby drill !!!
        ****************************
        Don…Good luck with that…A democrat congress will never de-fund ANY of their pet projects so it’s imperative that WE THE PEOPLE do it for them by booting them out..

    • DaveH

      We don’t need the EPA to punish companies for trespassing on the property and rights of others. The courts would do just fine on that front. The EPA has become a political tool. We don’t need that. We need to get politics out of our Marketplaces.

    • DaveH
    • Richard Pawley

      But we need a balanced EPA, not one that is run like a religious cult and does not consider man in the equation, and passes insane proclamations along with the reasonable things they do. Our economy can never recover if we have to compete with China who has almost no regulations pertaining to pollution and if the government can dictate to companies what states they can build in as the NLR board is trying to do with Boeing. We also need a balanced FDA who doesn’t approve only what is profitable to the big companies and ignores what is helpful and good, but unprofitable, and even makes such things illegal because it might affect the profits of the big companies. More laws and more government is not the answer but sound government answerable to the people. Just remember 250% plus inflation is coming if we can’t get congress under our control and out of the control of big business, the banks and the multi-nationals. In fact there are some who believe it is already to late to stop that but that it could get much worse if we don’t take control of congress. Just 18 months till the elections!

      • Patty

        Richard P – The EPA became into existance in the 70′s under Nixon. Thier goal was to make us “Energy Independent”. 41 years later, how are they doing? There budget went from 7.1 billion (2009) to 10.3 billion (2010). They have 18,000 full-time, pension bound employees.
        They have failed miserably. They all need to be fired and turn this responsibility over to the states. Plus, the EPA funds MANY enviromental groups who are sue crazy. Why are they funding ANY envirowacko groups.

        • Tom Hankes

          Patty,

          You are so right! I don’t know which dept is the most despicable the EPA or the Dept of Education. The former simply impedes our energy security; the latter raises generations of brain washed socialists; I don’t even think they teach the constitution or bill of rights in school anymore.

          They are sand in the gears of a productive America. they must be eliminated. At some point, given our fiscal proclivities, the bond market will take care of the problem and force us to an austerity we are unable to impose on ourselves.

          • Tom Hankes

            Whoops!

            I meant the Dept of Energy.

            Correction –> all three departments need to be immediately eliminated

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    2012 we will kick his commie ass out of there.

    • Doc Sarvis

      I doubt that a communist leader would have so many on his staff with high business sector experience nor would they continue to give private business so many tax advantages.

      You’ll need to try again.

      • DaveH

        OMG, are you kidding Doc? You must be, because Obama has the lowest number of business people on his staff of any prior president. See here:
        http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/less-10-percent-obama-cabinet-has-private-sector-experience

        • Vigilant

          Excellent link, Dave.

          “Doc” Sarvis, you’ll need to try again. That is, if you have the courage to answer.

          Wouldn’t it be refreshing if JUST ONCE the leftists on this site would admit to being in error? I won’t hold my breath.

        • Doc Sarvis

          OMG DaveH, If you read what I wrote you could see that I was not claiming that he had as many or more business people than other Presidents.

      • Eddie47d

        So true Doc for it is quite often the business sector who is running this country not the government.A little compromise may be in order but I don’t think the majority of us want to go back to the bad old days of reckless drilling. Irregardless of the hotheads on this site.

        • Conservative at Birht

          It is called Crony Capatalism. Look at GE. I for one am boycotting GE products completely. Sylvania still makes light bulbs in this country and Mexico. Is that what you call a Hot Head?

          • Mick

            Conservative ,,,,,,,,,,,,,
            I have been boycotting GE for years and try to do my best to avoid buying anything from companies supporting the left, it is sometime hard to find which company does and which doesn’t but I ‘ll dig not to give them my business,,,,,,,,,,

          • Eddie47d

            Then go and buy more products from China.

          • DaveH

            We are Eddie. We’re buying our ugly little CFLs from China which the Green Wackos pushed on us during Bush’s last years.

          • Eddie47d

            Always blaming the wrong parties Dave and you do it so well!!

          • Patty
          • Mick

            Well. well Eddie47d , so much for one of the biggest lefty backer…..

            General Electric Co. plans to invest more than $2 billion in China in technology and financial service ventures and research, adding 1,000 jobs in a country Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey Immelt is targeting for growth.

            GE intends to invest more than $1.5 billion in joint ventures with Chinese state-owned companies in “key high- technology sectors,” it said in a statement today…

            The company will establish six new innovation centers and named Chengdu, Shenyang and Xi’an as potential candidate locations. GE’s statement didn’t provide details of the financial and technology ventures it’s planning.“The growth in the next decade or decades that’s going to take place will be quite robust in places like China and India,” Immelt said today in Beijing.

            GE also announced four joint ventures in energy and transport. It will start a venture with Wuhan NARI Co., owned by China’s State Grid, to build electric transmission monitoring and diagnostic equipment.

        • theodorej

          ED…. Iam sure you are convinced that your reasoning is sound…Please allow me to inject a little factual evidence ,with respect to that reckless behavior you eluded to…In those days gasoline was under a dollar a gallon and the economy was strong..Now that we are living in the world that you think is fine and managable our nation has been attacked several times by folks that don’t even have flushing toilets….

        • DaveH

          As usual, Eddie starts his first comment of the day with a personal attack (“hotheads”).
          When are you going to grow up, Eddie?

          • Brad

            DaveH,

            Eddie47d is a tired old man who never grew up, but learned the ways of his union leadership, they taught him so well. He is part and parcial to a green world where everybody has to drive an electric car and bow down to the Leftists/Progressives of this country. Eddie will not take the time to research the topic to gleam the truth for he reads only from the lefts playbook and spouts it’s propaganda. As for oil and gas prices, thank your leftist government and the dollar tanking all over the world, with the fall of the dollar those prices have risen. Today the Canadian dollar is worth more than the US dollar, that’s what the Ohmama administration is doing and is succeeding in doing it, if the debt ceiling is raised Moody’s will call the US out and drop our credit rating to junk, just like Greece, then guess what’s going to happen in the US, hyper-inflation. That’s when and only when Eddie will start crying that he was wrong and beg for foregiveness.

          • Eddie47d

            Well well there is hothead Dave and another lashing from Brad. I don’t see where your policies have helped much lately except to weaken the middle class. No need for me to “beg for forgiveness” when it was mostly your capitalist shenanigans who created your mess. You know those folks who exploit others and no longer care about the middle class. It’s not always big government, so don’t blink or you will miss the answer.

          • DaveH

            The only people that have forcefully taken anything from anybody I’ve known are Government (which Liberals zealously support), Unions, and other Criminals.

          • Eddie47d

            Peddling more of your right wing nonsense Dave H..Something else you are getting good at.

        • Jana

          Eddie47d,
          Did you even read what doc said? You said just the opposite of what he said and you were claiming to agree with him?
          What is this? You see his name and know he is a lib and you just want to agree with him? hmmmm

          • JeffH

            Ya think?

          • Eddie47d

            That’s your opinion Jana?

        • Cawmun Cents

          If the business community was running the Fed,we wouldnt be in the mess we are in right now.It is due to handouts,that we are in this situation.Businesses dont give handouts except for charities of their choice,not government regulated ones.Get a life and an education somewhere that marxists arent spoiling the water Eddie47d

          • Patty

            Business’ get thier fair share of Corp. Welfare. I am not talking tax deductions, I am talking about the actual cash subsidies. Although about 5 billion more than social welfare per year, it is something we should definitly look to eliminate. http://www.omsys.com/jeremy/corpwelf.htm

      • Tom Hankes

        Doc Sarvis,

        You are so politically immature and naive I don’t even know where to start.

        You need spend time reading about what life is like under socialism. You Obama supporters are what lenin called “Useful idiots”… as soon as no longer useful, you will be discarded.

        Read your history and get yourself educated. Start by reading Hayek’s a road to serfdom

        Our brain dead electorate is destroying (or has destroyed) the most precious gift God ever gave any people in the history of mankind: A Democratic Republic.

        If you get your way and Obama is reelected, you will become a slave, a serf beholden to some evil bureaucrat. Wake up and wake up now!

        • Doc Sarvis

          The same warning came out from conservatives after the last presidential election; i.e. “you will become a slave, a serf beholden to some evil bureaucrat.” HAS NOT HAPPENED – not even close.

          • Cawmun Cents

            So being forced to pay for Medical insurance or pay a fine doesnt qualify as serfdom?Wow.What kind of school did you go to?

          • Tom Hankes

            Doc,

            Obama’s brand of Socialism is a work in progress. The signs are all over; you just have to look around a little. AND I’m not letting Repub. and RINO’s off the hook either.

            I could list dozens of concrete indisputable examples that you couldn’t argue with.

            Most fols of the liberal view don’t want to bother with facts. Where are you in this regard?

          • Patty

            Doc – If you ran a business, you could see it a lot clearer. I certainly do.

  • Cawmun Cents

    Oh…they are about to announce their pro-growth plan.Give 25 million illegals citizenship so that they can vote Omamba back into office.See you at the dual language polls.Es La Raza,y’mu chingon!

    • JiimCO

      You do realize that it was Reagan in 1986 that pushed thru the bill giving illegals citizenship, that Bush in 2006 also attempted to push thru similar legislation! It isn’t the democrats trying to smooth the way for cheap labor to enter the country … it has always been the republicans and big business that wants to drive down your wages. And guessing from the way you spout their propaganda … it is still working!

      • Conservative at Birht

        Reagan did not PUSH through the bill. The Democrats controlled both houses of congress. Yes he mistakenly signed the bill. GW has a hispanic sister in law. Did the law get passed. I think not, because people like me e-mailed and called our Representatives and Senators. I want the borders closed completely to any more of the invaders.

        • JiimCO

          Reagan mistakenly signed … early onset of alzheimer’s? And Bush’s plan, sounded like an attempt to win immigration votes … for the republicans!

          WASHINGTON —  President Bush’s (search) proposal to allow certain illegal immigrants working in the United States to remain here drew fire from Democrats and even some Republicans, even though the plan was seen as a likely draw to Hispanic voters this election season.

          “I’m not for allowing illegals to stay in this country,” said Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va. “I think they should have to go back to their home countries … and get in line with Jack, Suzy and John and apply for a guest worker position.”

          Democrats were united in calling the plan a political ploy that offers a false promise of legitimacy for the undocumented workers (search), while advocacy groups questioned whether it would actually do anything to help immigrants.

          But the president drew on the nation’s history as a land of immigrants to argue that allowing most undocumented workers already living in the United States to stay put was the right thing to do.

          “We should have immigration laws that work and make us proud. Yet today we do not,” Bush said Wednesday in the White House’s East Room, which he entered to loud cheers from dozens of representatives from Hispanic (search) organizations and immigration groups.

      • Patty

        JiimCo – Nobody sets my wage but me. If you are in the position where you have to rely on someone else to produce your paycheck, then you are probably getting paid what you are worth. Of course, I am not including gov’t. union workers. That is an unchecked monopoly.

        • Tom Hankes

          Patty,

          You and I could talk for hours. Your attitudes about public sector and mine are identical. Unions are simply tools to evade real market forces. Few of those union employees would get anything near what they “bargain” with their “employers”. Of course, their employers ( are in on the game also.

          Take the NEA for example and the thuggery you saw in Madison this Spring. And they say “It’s all about the kids!” (Right! Give me a break) If it’s all about the kids, then why do they mobilize against vouchers, charter schools, private religious schools like the one I attended when I was kid? Because of course, they want to eliminate competitors who would kick their butts.

          I live in WI and I can tell you there are close links between the unions, the School Board, and the City Council, a real symbiotic relationship. Disgusting.

          • Patty

            Just once, I would like to see the families in WI unite and march hand in hand WITH thier children against those teachers unions and shout them down that they do not stand with the kids, the kids stand with their families. Stand strong, your fight is not over there yet.

    • Cawmun Cents

      Thats funny because I dont think that California is a bastion of republicans.Yet the proressives here are driving out the small businessman and foreclosing on miilions of homes so that Mexicans who came here illegally can have a place to live when they are granted amnesty.Of course they will all vote for the Democtars sacred cow Obama.Did you ever wonder why there is a population shortage in America?Why havent we grownlarger likethe rest of the world?Any takers?Let me splain it to you homeboy.Its called abortion.48 million since Roe versus Wade.Chew on that number for a minute Mr. Democrat.Let me take you back to the founding document called the Declaration of Independence.It states something to the effect that we are all “created equal”.But apparently that isnt so for 48 million of us.So since the rights of 48 million were violated so that some could be given a “choice”,the population has flatlined.No growth means we have to come up with a solution.(Idea light comes on in the democratic mind)….I know!We will just invite a block of 20 million or so,to come and live here(making quite sure they are registered Democrats)so we can experience the growth we needed!Wallah!Insant voting block…watch while it happens before your eyes!Be stunned and amazed at the predictability of “comprhensive immigration reform”.-CC.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Two major flaws in your very first sentence – I’ve come to expect as much from this site.

    #1 Redistributing wealth – wealth has continued to concentrate in the very top of the income brackets for decades. The only appreciable “redistribution” of wealth, especially since the start of George W. Bush was President has been upward. President Obama and especially congress has not changed that trend in ANY meaningful way.

    #2 The oil crisis too has been coming at us for decades. With world consumption going out of the roof in the last few decades and no real efficiencies gained in how it is used the oil crisis will continue to grow.

    Lastly, as so many on this site refuse to acknowledge, trying to make any point by name calling will actually reduce the credibility of your argument. Maybe that is what you are going for.

    • http://personalliberty.com frank

      Hey doc sarvis excuse us little people for our comments but understand this You liberals are creating a situation that is INFURIATING alot of the populace. As has been written here this is a center right country and the silent majority is sick and tired of left wing shenanigans like the protests in Wisconsin. Stop your holier than thou commentary!.

      • Doc Sarvis

        First off Frank, I am a centrist. Secondly, where do you get that this is a center-right country?

        • Conservative at Birht

          Anybody who believes in big government is not a centrist, they are a totalitarian socialist. Which is what you really are.

          • Mick

            Conservative at Birht says:
            May 10, 2011 at 9:06 am
            Anybody who believes in big government is not a centrist, they are a totalitarian socialist. Which is what you really are.

            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
            Conservative,,,I think that doc is confusing centrist with centerpiece for obama and democrat’s dining room table..
            He is dead in the center of the democrat’s agenda to destroy our country………

          • Patty

            Mick-Most of these people were raised under a democratic household or converted in college. They don’t even realize that “their” team has been taken over by what their parents would have considered the “reds”. It is the mob mentality of always supporting your team no matter how vile they may be. If you really sit down and talk to a democrat they usually agree with you on most issues, they have no clue what their party affiliation is up to, and when confronted with facts, they don’t agree with what they are doing, yet they still vote for them. Sheeple.

        • Nadzieja Batki

          You mean you don’t know which side you are on. Pitiful.

        • theodorej

          Greetings Doc…Am I to assume that you have credentials attesting to your brillience and so you claim the title Doc…Just what is a centrist?? Are you some one who thinks that things are OK as far as your concerned because you are comfortable,perhaps with a fat government pension that Iam paying for…A position of being in the middle is cowardly..declare yourself on one side of the issues or the other and stop condecending on those who are voicing an opinion just as you are..

          • Vigilant

            I’ve asked him about his credentials before and he has never responded. Probably a proctologist.

          • Cawmun Cents

            A centrist is a term they got from the communist founders.They claim after having Trotsky for a teacher that they are like the centrists of the social democratic days.A centrist is a leftist term for moderate…..hilarious!

        • Vigilant

          “First off Frank, I am a centrist. Secondly, where do you get that this is a center-right country?”

          No centrist ignores the fact that wealth redistribution has accounted for 40+% of the public not paying taxes. Many also receive redistributed money from the taxpayers.

          No centrist is blind to the fact that Obamacare is wealth redistribution par excellence. Or were you deaf when Dr. Berwick admitted as much?

          No centrist can fail to see that extended unemployment compensation INCREASES the jobless rates, and that the BLS statistics are massaged to reflect an unemployment rate much lower than it really is.

          No centrist continually espouses the failed policies of socialism as you are prtedisposed to do every time you post on this site.

          And no normally intelligent person looks at the 2010 election results and fails to recognize that this is indeed a center-right country.

          No sir, you cannot move the goal posts to the left and claim that your befuddled socialist thinking represents the center in America. Your dishonesty is seen for what it is.

        • JeffH

          What I find amazing is how many of the liberal hacks claim to be anything but? At least 47D admits he’s a liberal, which is one of the few things he gets correct.

          • Vigilant

            You’re absolutely right, Jeff.

            A Libertarian or Conservative Constitutionalist will always PROUDLY admit to their political sentiments. The leftists have an inbred shame to admit that they are, indeeed, socialists. They’ll tell you they are anything BUT their true colors. jopa, Jovi Anus, Robert Smith, Eric Bischoff, they’re all cut from the same rotten cloth and are dishonest as hell.

      • Eddie47d

        frank; Part of the problem was our corporations philosophy of take take take and not thinking where the end game would lead them.There have been several Enrons on our horizon and nothing in place to keep those kind of companies from exploiting the USA. Oil companies use to play that same deck of cards and in some cases they still do. Our economic house of cards collapsed because of unregulated greed.Not from over regulation as some assume. Also there are too many government lackeys in bed with the big boys which is sometimes a conflict of interest.

        • DaveH

          “sometimes a conflict of interest”? More like all of the time. And you, Eddie, would know all about “take, take, take”. It is the Liberal way.

          • Eddie47d

            I don’t take from anyone Dave so stop playing that tired old fiddle. I think a couple of strings have come loose if you get the drift.

          • DaveH

            Sure you do, Eddie. Whenever you vote for Liberals (Big Government promoters), you are voting to take the money from others. I know that you think hiding behind the polling booth somehow absolves your theft. And when you voted to join a Union, you voted to join a gang and coerce money from others.
            Those capitalists you love to diss don’t hold a candle to your exploitation of the masses.

          • Eddie47d

            Go crawl under the Koch Bros skirt Dave I hear it’s a pretty big tent.

        • Vigilant

          “Our economic house of cards collapsed because of unregulated greed. Not from over regulation as some assume.”

          Who, may I ask, ever said that the economic crisis was caused by over-regulation? Get me a quote on that Eddie, if you can.

          No, it was caused quite simply by the Democrats failing to rein in Fannie/Freddy after numerous attempts by the Bush Administration to regulate them. Get your facts straight.

          There’s good regulation and there’s bad regulation. Good regulation could have averted the housing collapse. Bad/over regulation is indeed a source of many of our economic problems, but was NOT the spark that burned that house of cards.

          • Eddie47d

            I didn’t say it was the spark. Now pay close attention in what others are saying for they bring up regulations on a daily basis. Most want to do away with all.

          • DaveH

            Most want to do away with all? You are prone to hyperbole, Eddie. There is no way you could prove that. But then, since when does a Liberal need to back up anything he says?
            Don’t you ever get even a little bit ashamed of fabricating facts?
            I know, here comes Polly. Come on, spit it out, Eddie, repeat my words like a child would.

          • Eddie47d

            What you just said proves that you have selective reading but thanks for letting me know you like me so much. Maybe I’m doing you a favor so you have a place to put your “thought process” . Unless you are downloading someone elses words you never seem to have it together.

        • Patty

          Eddie47 – The only reason big corporations have gotten to the level that they have is because they have bought and paid for every gov’t. official past, present and future. I don’t care which side, they both do it and do it big. Get the gov’t. out of companies and get the companies out of gov’t. Most of the companies that recieve gov’t. subsidies are union based. If you don’t believe me , find me one. I am all for getting rid of corp. welfare, one of the few things we agree on. Since we do, lets push for that.

          • Tom Hankes

            Patty,

            There’s a book by Burton Fulsom called “New Deal or Raw Deal” that talks about FDR’s control of the economy. … while reading this, all I could think of was BHO and how clearly he’s following FDR’s blue print. there’s a reason the Great Depression lasted well into WWII annd that reason is FDR’s anti free market economy policies.

            Back then however, our debt problem wasn’t anywhere near today’s and society was far less automated and dependent on technology and far less dependent on government. That’s why this depression (yes, depression) will be worse than the Great Depression.

            And Congress, both parties but especially the Progressives in the Democrap party are pretty much totally responsible!

          • Patty

            Tom H-Most people do not understand what this hyper-inflation is going to do to them. It is about 9 months down the road. I am ready for it. Just try to let someone come between me, my family, my food supply and protection. In that order. I have always nay-sayed at those people who were prepared for what is coming. No longer. They can push this debt ceiling further down the road to try to avoid the inevitable, but when they have to vote on it on a monthly basis instead of a 5 year basis, it is rampimg up fast and very close on the horizon. If the UN forces come in and take us all out, that will be our armegeden. They are welcome to whatever is left over. I will be happy to be dead and free. Soar with the eagles!

    • DaveH

      The flaws are in your thinking Doc.
      If the separation between low and top income earners is increasing, it is due primarily to Big Government (both parties) aiding and abetting their favorite Crony Capitalists in the art of stifling their competition, and to many other things created by Big Government (which Liberals such as you, Doc, love), such as a worsening educational system, and the initiative stifling welfare state. As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.
      And the oil “crisis” has been coming at us largely because Big Government (again championed by Liberals) has done everything they can to stifle the production of oil and waste our financial resources on uneconomical alternative energy schemes, meanwhile enriching those favorite Crony Capitalists that produce those schemes. And I agree with Doc, the energy crisis will continue to grow, but only as long as people keep succumbing to the Siren Song of wealth redistributing Liberals.
      And isn’t it odd that we can only have peaceful, respectful discussions on this board until the Liberals show up? And now, lately, they have the nerve to try to turn the tables on us and act all innocent. Liberals will stoop to any lows to turn factual debates into emotional debates.
      Pay attention readers, and you will see which side uses the manipulative tactics primarily, and which side uses facts and reason.

      • Eddie47d

        Bash the liberals and all your problems will go away. Keep thinking that Dave and nothing will change in either direction. Saying alternatives are a scheme shows your lack of what is ahead for America. Electricity and oil were also once a “scheme”. They were developed and paid out handsomely. Now the difficulty in getting enough oil supplies is causing the world to think in a different direction. With population growth all over the world we have to look to the future and slowly wean ourselves towards newer sources. Even “new” discoveries of oil here will only kick the can down the road to the next generation.

        • DaveH

          As usual, Eddie provides nothing but conjecture.
          Eddie, what you “lack” is knowledge.
          In Free Markets, people put their money where their mouths are. The Liberal jawboning falls by the wayside to the reality of the marketplace. That is why Liberals, like Eddie, are so afraid of Free Markets. Liberal ideology can’t stand the bright light of the marketplace. It’s much easier to Hope and Dream than it is to face reality.

          Bash the liberals and all your problems will go away. Keep thinking
          that Dave and nothing will change in either direction. Saying
          alternatives are a scheme shows your lack of what is ahead for America. Electricity and oil were also once a “scheme”. They were developed and paid out handsomely. Now the difficulty in getting enough oil supplies is causing the world to think in a different direction. With population growth all over the world we have to look to the future and slowly wean ourselves towards newer sources. Even “new” discoveries of oil here will only kick the can down the road to the next generation.

          Reply

          • DaveH

            oops, hit the submit button too soon. That lower paragraph was Eddie’s comment and should have been in quotes.

        • http://Google.com Gary Gerke

          All of the liberals expounding about alternative sources for clean energy, never bring up the fact that these new sources of energy will be subsidizes paid for by the federal government.This is the reason new companies are clamoring for these contracts. There is not one company out there that is willing to foot the bill themselves, they look forward to feeding at the governments trough.

          • Thamera

            Exactly Gary, they are already being subsidized…ethanol for example…and what a joke that is!

          • Eddie47d

            Even the railroads more than 100 years ago were subsidized by the government. That is nothing new and we prospered because of it. Quit being so arrogant on that reality.

          • DaveH

            Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, do you think you have any credibility any more, with all the fabricated facts you throw out daily?
            Yes, railroads were subsidized in the 19th century, but that did not bring prosperity. In fact the Great Northern Railway was built entirely on private funds and was the only successfully built transcontinental railway. It was one of the few transcontinental railroads to avoid receivership following the Panic of 1893.
            The Union Pacific Railroad, on the other hand, was subsidized, and inefficiently built because the subsidies were based on the amount of track built, so naturally it built tracks to all sorts of uneconomical locations to get more free money from the Government.
            UP was entangled in the Crédit Mobilier scandal, exposed in 1872, that involved bribing congressmen and stock speculations. It went bankrupt in the 1870s and was reorganized in 1880 under the name of Union Pacific Railway. It went bankrupt again in 1893 and emerged in 1897 using its old name Union Pacific Railroad. Ahh, what a web we weave when we allow Government to get involved in industry.

          • Eddie47d

            Union Pacific is still going great guns after all those years and even winning awards for efficiency. I think you’d like to see everything collaspe just like GM and a few others.It would be interesting to critique your entire life and and bare all your discrepancies. Oh of coarse you don’t have any. LOL. Nobody but the shadow will know!

          • Patty

            Eddie47 – Was this the start of corp. welfare? So are you saying the subsidies are what made the US Robber barons? I thought you were against corp. welfare?

          • Patty

            Eddie – If they are doing so well, then maybe they should fund thier pension plan which is only at 60% right now. http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=140809

          • Patty

            Eddie? Eddie? You out there? Your acting like you have my dogs zap collar on. BUZZZZZT!

          • Eddie47d

            Been busy. You might be right about that. That could of been the start of corporate welfare. It doesn’t bother me to help companies or people. It’s those who stay on the dole that gripe me. Excellent point you made.

          • Patty

            Eddie-I thank you for your acknowlegement. I believe that our biggest problem is that both sides are playing against the middle. And we are the middle. So long as they can pit us against each other they will stay in power and we will continue to get no where or to continue to fail. I am just trying to cut through all of the BS to make this a win-win country for everyone. It bothers me when liberals say that conservatives are cheap and always for big corp. when the opposite is true and it is just the other side of the isle that keeps repeating it until the sheeple follow and cause a divide. Gov’t. wants to keep the status quo. Since we can’t agree on everything, lets do something about what we do all agree on and table the rest for now. Corporate welfare should go. I run a company (for 20 years) and I can guarantee you that I have not been handed any subsidies.

    • Cawmun Cents

      #1.Redistributing wealth-since The current POTUS hasnt lived up to his promises,I fail to see a wise person like yourself(Doc)granting him your vote.Unless of course you are banking on him being able to make his promise happen….just sayin’…………………………..#2.Oil shortages-Hmmm….since we are really sitting on a gold mine in Iraq,I vote that we make it the 51st stae and then…wallah!No more oil shortage….plus it will help with our growth spurt we need…(smiley face inserted here).

    • http://yahoo richard

      i sure wish i was as educated as these liberals so i could be stupid enough to understand their stupidity

      • Mick

        richard says:
        May 10, 2011 at 10:07 am
        i sure wish i was as educated as these liberals so i could be stupid enough to understand their stupidity
        ******************
        Bite your tongue richard ,America is in enough trouble as it is with the liberal education………

    • DaveH

      And for those who think Doc is in the minority of people who think they should be able to help themselves to the money of others, see here:
      http://www.gallup.com/poll/147104/Democrats-Republicans-Differ-Widely-Taxing-Rich.aspx

      • DaveH

        The thieves are almost equal in numbers to the non-thieves now. We have become “A Society of Criminals”:
        http://mises.org/daily/4125

  • Raggs

    Still the largest threat to the economy…. obama-care…
    This will break the back of the middle class and obama knows it!

    Oil and coal as much as we need it is not going anywhere, as soon as we get someone in the white house that is a leader we can get back to drilling… On the other hand if obama care isn’t stopped the US will become a third world country.

    • GeorgeE

      Raggs,

      I believe you are right, but along with cutting (deeply) government spending (like de-fanging Obamacare), the other thing that needs to be done is really stimulate economic growth. I think doing the things that Robert suggests in the energy industry will do that very well.

      • Raggs

        True… however that will ONLY work if we remove the communist in the white house.

        • Eddie47d

          Coal helped create many of our health problems and sickened our air. Put that in perspective to the cost of healthcare.

          • Nadzieja Batki

            Death from disease and starvation and freezing to death are a much better alternative according to your way of thinking.

          • Raggs

            Ed… that majic fairy dust is a much better alternative to the energy “CRISIS” that obama created now isn’t it?

          • Eddie47d

            NB; Who says anyone has to freeze with all the alternatives out there.

          • Patty

            Eddie-What alternatives? Solar? Windmills? Not where I live, and it gets to 30 below here. Your alternatives either do not exist, are not reliable therefore you have to have a back up or they are financially unattainable for the masses. Some entreprenuer out there WILL come up with something. Until then, drill baby drill.

          • Thamera

            It can get to be 60 below here and even worse with the windchill

      • DaveH

        George,
        The Government doesn’t need to “stimulate” economic growth. They just need to get out of the way.

        • Vigilant

          Exactly!

        • Eddie47d

          Nice pipe dream Dave!

          • DaveH

            As usual, Eddie puts in his two cents. But thanks to inflation, two cents only buys us comments from the weaker intellects.

          • Vigilant

            Dave, I think it was a Federal Reserve Note, worth even less!

        • GeorgeE

          DaveH,

          That’s the main thing that needs to be done. Allowing our energy industries to do what they do best is one way the government can get out of the way.

  • DaveH

    And now the Liberals are planning to release a series of ads to warn people that the GOP is endangering children with their so-called budget cutting. Can you imagine the gall? They saddle our children and grandchildren with a $14.3 Trillion national debt which those victims didn’t even have a say in, and which is growing at a rate of $1.5 Trillion per year, and now they have the nerve to say that the GOP is endangering them with budget cuts. The Liberals will stoop to any lows to grab more money from their unwilling victims.
    Their tactics are akin to the Muslims using the women and children as shields when under attack. Pathetic.

    • Raggs

      Don’t forget to count the unions…
      I’m sure we will be seeing many many protest as soon as we see a republican canidate that is locked in for the 2012 run…

    • bob wire

      “Their tactics are akin to the Muslims using the women and children as shields when under attack. Pathetic.”

      and the GOP is using you akin a 1800 Century house black. You are special! You are entitled, You are better then and smarter then all the rest.

      • Vigilant

        Afraid you’re a bit mixed up, Bob. It’s the libs who have always fostered and promoted the entitlement mentality.

        Sounds like the Alinsky black-is-white and white-is-black propaganda. You can do better than that.

      • DaveH

        I wish I could understand your obtuse comments, Bob. I mean, for sure I could read my own interpretation into them, but I would prefer that you be clearer in your statements.

  • http://None Neal , Mission , TX

    I believe you are right on all you have said. Jeremy has never heard of an accident before I take it. It seems to me they happen every day. Does he believe that BP wanted that to happen and cost them Billions of dollars. He is pretty naive. As for Boehner , you are right again. He will allow them to raise the debt ceiling and spend more ans more. He has to go and he has nobody to blame but John Boehner. He talked a very good game before he was picked to be Speaker of the House , but he never came through. We need someone with a pair of gonads in there.

    • Conservative at Birht

      Do I hear Adam West for speaker? I say yes.

      • Don

        don’t you mean Allen West ??

      • DaveH

        Batman? Bam, Pow, Crunch!

      • 45caliber

        Batman might work better at that. Every time someone gets out of line, he gets the cr>p beat out of him. First thing you know, everyone would be working hard for the country – or be retiring so someone else can work hard.

  • GeorgeE

    Excellent article, Robert. Right on!

    • Eddie47d

      Why because he defends unregulated pollutions and cowboy style environmental damages? China would be more welcoming to his absurdities and even they are trying hard to change. Their over bloated population keeps them from making any real progress even with highly regulated birth controls. They are the worlds largest producer and user of solar equipment. That is a warning to us who think we can drop the ball and not be prepared for the energy future. America has several unique opportunities to protect our environment,drill for more oil and create alternatives. It has to be a wise combination of all resources.

      • DaveH

        Robert said nothing about pollution, Eddie. You made that up, as usual.
        And Eddie says “They [China] are the worlds largest producer and user of solar equipment”. Sure, they use a lot of solar cells. They have a population 4 times our size, and they are a totalitarian country so they force their way on their people just like the Liberals want to do here. Damn the economics. Liberals could care less if they impoverish our country. They’ll just blame it on Bush.
        Have you ever seen Liberals accepting responsibility for anything?

        • Eddie47d

          You are sadly mistaken about Ringers comments for he says “anything goes”You are slow in comprehending his dangerous diatribe and you think he is smart. He’s got you soaking in that barrel of oil like it’s a hot tub. Got a match smartazz?

          • DaveH

            Eddie, no doubt here that you have great powers of misinterpretation and rationalization to suit your own selfish interests. What else could we expect from a Union Troll?

          • Eddie47d

            Thanks for worrying about me Dave H. I now feel so loved. If I’m a troll then you are a trollop for the right.

        • Patty

          Eddie47- Wrong. Germany is the largest user/producer of solar. http://www.suite101.com/content/worlds-largest-producers-of-alternative-energy-a210170
          China has only one energy rating and it is at the bottom of bio-fuels.
          Showing they don’t use/produce enough to even be in the running of the other energy alternatives.

          • Eddie47d

            You are correct in who uses the most solar energy.

          • Patty

            So, would you also agree that we should do some of our own drilling so long as it is done in an envro-friendly way? And that the private sector should continue to search for alternative energy sources? How great would that be if someone could figure out how to build this better mouse trap? Those people are out there. In their garage experimenting, testing and trying. Just like the people who developed how we are communicating on this medium. Please tell me that you really do not believe that conservatives intentionally want to destroy their livelihoods, families and health to make a buck. I do not know of anyone who thinks that way. Not one person. Mostly, they are the opposite of that and pretty organic, grow their own gardens, etc. And I have to deal with all types of people.

        • JC

          Keep up the good work DaveH.

          The “Barking Mad” lefties will soon have their day in the sun…trying to scramble back under their rocks, that is.
          Watching some of these Nuts Job Obamunistas is interesting only in that every day they seem to come from a totally different direction…they have no principles no morals and no solid convictions. They’re merely reactionary to anything they don’t like.

      • GeorgeE

        Eddie47d,

        I’m not convinced that government regulations have largely done anything more than add unnecessary delays and overhead costs to businesses. I still see a lot of problems happening, and don’t hear about many problems being prevented by these regulations. On the other hand, I do see and hear a lot of stories from people I know working in various industries of how they are prevented from, or delayed in building new factories and production facilities. I also see how complicated our ridiculous income tax system is, and that’s a form of regulation that hits us on a personal level.

        Regarding China’s hunger for solar panels, it occurs to me that this could be because China doesn’t have power lines in many parts of their country yet. In such cases, it makes sense to use solar panels in areas where small amounts of electricity is required and land lines aren’t in place. We have power distribution lines in most parts of this country, so that’s generally more economic than installing solar panels. You will see solar panels in some rural areas in this country used on such things as electrically operated gates, security systems, lighted signs, and the like, because it’s cheaper than running power lines. So, the fact that China is utilizing a lot of solar panels doesn’t mean they think this is more economical than other forms of electricity, especially when power distribution systems are in place. It just means they have a lot of people living in areas not served by power distribution systems, and solar may be the only practical way of getting some electricity to them in the short run.

        Finally, just because we don’t want the government to regulate the energy industry so tightly, doesn’t mean we want a dirty, toxic environment. In fact, I know of no one that wants that. We all want a clean planet. We just think government regulations are going overboard to stifle an otherwise vibrant and healthy industry which delivers a much needed commodity to us. What’s so aggravating to me is that I’m pretty sure it’s all for political reasons, not sound economic reasons. We don’t need to elect highly educated people to office to make decisions like that. Any 13 year old is capable to driving our economy in the dirt to satisfy such naive notions.

      • Thamera

        Eddie I don’t know where you get the idea that China “is trying hard to change”. I know people that live and work in China for the precise fact that China doesn’t have a tenth of the rules and regs or taxes that we have in America. They aren’t trying to change. In fact, they laugh at our summits and tell us basically to “kiss off”. They are going to do what they want to do because it is economically viable for them. Beijing has one of the worst traffic and pollution problems in the world, for example and not a one of them are about to give up their cars no matter how “cool” they make their subway.

        • Eddie47d

          China has changed immensely and in the last 20 years. They could also drive themselves into a ditch with everyone wanting a car. Progress has a price which we have experienced. They are gaining too much too fast and pollution will always get the best of them. I certainly don’t envy the Chinese only stating an opinion.

      • JC

        Eddie47d says:
        May 10, 2011 at 9:36 am
        Why because he defends unregulated pollutions and cowboy style environmental damages?
        _____________________________________________________________
        Aaaaaand! Eddie is still a lying, hysterical idiot with a pension for fantasy….

        Poor Eddie. reality and truth must just scare the hell out of you…

  • Jeryl

    Obama is not only a socialist, but is obviously a global federalist. Therefore, he looks at the USA as a hurdle to the one-world government, led by the United Nations. As to energy, despite what the textbooks try to tell us, the Tesla generator and the N-machine work and could provide extremely cheap, clean, and virtually limitless energy to all. But, that would put quite a few oil, nuclear, and coal power plants out of business. Truth is, the people are merely a source of revenue, not living, breathing people to big business.

    • Conservative at Birht

      Are the Tesla Generator and the N-Makhine cost effective? Can you prove that?

      • DaveH

        That’s why we need to get Government out of our marketplace. We can all jawbone all day long about what is and isn’t the best solution. But the proof is in the pudding. In Free Markets, the companies with the best and/or cheapest products would prevail, rather than those with the best political connections.
        There is only one Political Party that champions Free Markets — The Libertarian Party.
        http://libertarianparty.org/

        • Thamera

          Amen DaveH…I think one of the biggest hurdles in embracing the free market is people do not trust their fellow men. Instead they prefer to trust big government and in doing so are willing to trade their liberty in for the “perceived safety” of their government. Of course history has proven time and time again, that is a big mistake and will always lead to bondage. But then, how can you argue with IGNORANT!?!

      • Jeryl

        I’m not an electrical or electronic engineer, but I have some friends who are and they say that they are cost effective. The only problem is that people who get serious about building them tend to experience a lot of trouble with the powers that be. There are people out there that will kill you for your shoes – imagine what could happen when billions of dollars are on the line. Take care.

        • DaveH

          No company can stop another from developing any technology. Only Government has that kind of force. If you really believe what you say, Jeryl, then the only way to find out is to help us (Libertarians) get the Government (and its force) out of the marketplace so that people can freely innovate.

      • 45caliber

        Conservative:

        Can you prove they aren’t cost effective? Would they be cost effective if the government got out of the way? Right now it is almost impossible to develop an idea from start to production because of the government regulations. The only way you can is to sell that idea (for peanuts) to some large corporation who has the money and manpower to get past the regulations to production. And I suspect that is a major reason that those regulations exist. To make it harder for the individual to do anything or to gain anything from his ideas.

  • bob wire

    “Since the Obamaviks descended upon the nation’s capital in January of 2009, the government has dramatically improved its ability to carry out its two main functions — redistributing wealth and creating crises.”

    Hmm? So you too have been living under a rock!

    well crawl out and have a good look about and stay out of the streets. Fast moving cars and trucks travel on the streets and will run you down.

    • Vigilant

      Hitting the juice a little early this morning, are we, Bob?

      • DaveH

        LOL!

        • Thamera

          No kidding…

      • Raggs

        Must be the koolaid….

        • Carlucci

          sounds more like vodka and xanax…

          • 45caliber

            It makes the koolaid go down smoother …

            (Frankly I can’t stand the stuff! In any form!)

          • Cawmun Cents

            LSD and Everclear.

      • JC

        Scotch and Corn Flakes
        Breakfast of Liberals ;)

  • Harry Buttle

    Same old, same old. Dismissing the effect of speculators on the price of oil is just ludicrous. Oil spiked under George Bush too and for the same reason. Obama killed the economy? Months before he took office? With that claim you lose all claim to credibility. Abolish the EPA? Are you out of your mind? Return to the days when the Cuyahoga River was black with carcinogenic ooze and periodically caught on fire. When acid rain fell on the northeast? Even with the EPA Koch Industries, always on the list of 10 worst air polluters, intentionally released 93 tons of carcinogenic benzene into the environment. Government is our defense against irresponsible industry.

    Your jobs claim is laughable. Bush disabled the EPA and deregulated practically everything and his jobs record was the worst since Hoover. In the Reagan era, 1981-2008, the US average income rose by 1% after increasing by 75% in the period 1950-1980. Everything you say is wrong.

    • DaveH

      Speculators do not control supply and demand, they only go along for the ride. Their effects on oil prices are simply temporary. Without them the various companies that are dependent on oil would not be able to make longer term plans effectively. Read this and get some knowledge:
      http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/oil_speculators.pdf

      • Thamera

        Hey DaveH just wanted to thank you for always taking the time to supply informative links :D

        As to Harry or whatever your name is – THE PENDULUM HAS SWUNG and if you and everyone else championing more government intrusion as a solution can’t see that, then you are truly blind.

        As for the Cuyahoga river, that was 200 years in the making, starting with the settlers in the late 1600′s, 1700′s who no doubt were ill educated and had no understanding of the damage they were doing by creating a “super highway” on the Cuyahoga which reached it’s peak around the turn of the century. For decades raw sewage, along with by-products and industrial waste were being dumped into that river. The first fire was recorded in 1868 and the pollution of the Cuyahoga River is truly an environmental travesty. I don’t think anyone will disagree with that.

        But, we are now 40 years into the future and with the advance of science, education and technology, exploration and drilling for natural resources can be very environmentally friendly without any displacement (consider the increase to the herds of Caribou in Alaska by the pipeline). There has to be a balance and we cannot ignore the energy needs of this country and the EPA is wildly out of control and has been granted far too much power and authority and should be a cause of concern for everyone.

        • Patty

          Thamera-Well said.

    • DaveH

      Note how the Liberal Harry sprinkles his comment with personal attacks in lieu of facts:
      “ludicrous”
      “Are you out of your mind?”
      “Your jobs claim is laughable”

      • Thamera

        Always DaveH.

    • DaveH

      So, Harry thinks it’s okay to damage an economy because somebody before Obama also damaged the economy? Two wrongs don’t make a right, Harry, except in Liberal minds.
      Do we need a Politicized EPA to do the bidding of out-of-control Presidents? Absolutely not. We can simply pass laws and let the courts decide who is or isn’t breaking those laws.
      Acid Rain? Please, that is just one of the many ongoing scare tactics put forth by Liberals to justify Bigger Government and Bigger Taxes. The college profs love their Government research grants.
      During the advent of the “acid rain” fear-mongering, one researcher hired by Government to prove the scare found that there were lakes in unpolluted areas that were very acidic, and other lakes in polluted areas that were not acidic. Note that the researcher was an environmentalist, but an honest one. After presenting his findings to Government, the rabid environmentalists not only got him fired from his Government job, but proceeded to follow him around the country in an effort to discredit him and keep him from securing employment. Liberals do not allow dissention from their Religion.

      Something to think about:
      http://mises.org/daily/683/Greens-versus-Energy

      • 45caliber

        DaveH:

        The problem is passing the laws. When was the last law passed by Congress? It’s been awhile, I know. They don’t pass a law; they pass the buck. They simply state – as they did in Oblamacare – that some bureaucracy will make the laws (called regulations) for this. They don’t oversee those laws and generally will claim, if you ask them, that they had no intention of those laws existing in that form when they decided to let some other group do their work for them.

        • DaveH

          Yep. That is a large part of the problem, 45.

    • patty

      Reagan Era???
      Ronald Reagan (R) served two terms as president from 1981-1989.
      George Bush (R) served one term as president from 1989-1993.
      Bill Clinton (D) served two terms as president from 1993-2001.
      GW Bush (R) served 2 terms from 2001-2008
      Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_were_the_US_Presidents_between_1981-2008
      Income Growth:
      #ixzz1M1Wrwzpphttp://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/lapi/2004/mpi0504.htm
      WHERE are you getting your information from????
      Income growth:

  • http://Google? Robert Logan Sr.

    If we fail to break up the one party system (Dem. / Rep. Ind.) and reverse the economic trend other countries will ultimately reap the profits of our resources. This nation has always risen to solve the problems and I trust we will rally and get it done this time.
    I say one party system because if 10 liberals have to posture in their district to gain favor for re-election there will be 11 defect from the so called conservative ranks to secure the will of the liberals, thus a one party system.

    • 45caliber

      Robert.

      It is very difficult to change the government when it has all the resources to stop whatever idea or plan we need to make and achieve. But I don’t disagree that we are going to have to do it. Every major country in the world that has failed has done so through a government that got too large.

  • MAL

    “They make the profits, we get the cancer” -unprogressive people like you are destroying our planet and its inhabitants. Think about the cancers inflicted upon small children, their chemo treatments AND IF THEY SURVIVE, their shortened life span because of damaging chemo. Are you aware that radioactive iodine is eliminated thru the urine of chemo patients directly into your water supply.

    It is the 21st century, let’s promote and demand clean energy forms.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Why is this any of your concern? Who asked you to be the savior of the world? So why are you wearing shoes, clothes, eating,living in a house,etc.? All these things were created with hazardous material and you know how these things kill the little kiddies. You have a full stomach and an empty brain.

      • Eddie47d

        How about a plate of Asbestos for lunch Nadzieja. Maybe a glass of mercury contaminated milk to wash it down. Maybe you can let your child drink from a bottle made with BPA or like any plastic left in the sun it will contaminate it’s contents.Then you can let your child play on that chemically treated carpet. Sure modern technology makes life better but in some cases makes it alot worse. Be aware and make those companies that put out unhealthy products change their ways. That’s real progress.

        • Thamera

          Eddie: Only when an individual is educated on a matter can they make the decision that is in their best interest. That is the difference between the philosophies that divide us: some of you believe that the only way to effect change is through big government: more rules and more regulations, ie: FORCE (THE EPA)

          Others believe that the most effective change comes through INTRINSIC motivation (individual agency!) which can only happen through education and information and LESS government intrusion.

          Your comments to Nadj for example are without merit and only perpetuate the fallacy of those that DON’T believe in personal agency (free markets) and that is, that anyone that DOES value individual agency (free markets) cannot or do not value clean air, water, efficient energy or safe products. This is a common fallacy which couldn’t be further from the truth. You let your “sensitivities” cloud reason and let your desire for “safety” continue to trump liberty without even realizing it and Eddie, there will ALWAYS be those people that are going to make choices that defy common sense and goodness for that matter. Even with all the rules and regs and laws in this country we still have criminals don’t we? We still have people that smoke and drink and use illicit drugs, shoot up roadway signs and litter…Government cannot and never has been able to legislate morality…they can rule out of fear and force but that does nothing to change behavior. The only thing more rules and regs do is make it harder for GOOD people to conduct business, grow, flourish and exercise their personal freedoms.

          • 45caliber

            Thamera:

            You are correct. You need to be educated before you can make a decent decision on what is good and what is bad for you.

            The problem is that education isn’t easy to get. You have to study, take tests to insure you learned the material, do research on some subjects, etc. It takes time, costs money, and gives you nasty headaches.

            The reason that eddie and others like big giverment (I spelled it that way on purpose) is because they don’t want to study and learn. They don’t want to make decisions that might give them headaches. They want some government person to do all that for them. And their gurus are the people that tell them that they “will take care of you”! The very idea of making a decision of their own scares the pants off them.

        • DaveH

          Perhaps you could consider letting the individual consumers make those choices, Eddie (greatly exaggerated as they were), instead of joining a gang and forcing your choices on the rest of us.

        • Carlucci

          Who said that people have to buy all of those products you mentioned, Eddie47d? The market determines whether a product makes it – it is called supply and demand.

          All of the floors in my house are now tile due to a supply line to a toilet that broke two years ago and ruined the hardwoods and carpet in my home. I was not home when it happened and my neighbor discovered it. I decided to have tile floors installed in the entire house and have never regretted it. The dust quotient alone has gone down over fifty percent. I could have done the same thing as before and put hardwoods and carpet down, but I had the freedom to make a decision to choose an alternative. Nobody is holding a gun to anyone’s head and making their product choices for them. At least not yet…

        • 45caliber

          EDDIE!!! ALERT! ALERT!

          You should get with a good chemist. He will tell you exactly what I’m telling you now. ALL YOUR FOOD IS MADE OUT OF CHEMICALS! Yes, and every drop of water you drink is made from Hydrogen and Oxygen! Two chemicals! One will sufficate you and the other will burn you alive from a single spark! Your food has all sorts of other bad chemicals it it, such as Sulphur (eggs), Carbon (almost everything), Silicon, even Asenic!

          Again, I say, verify this with any chemist. Many of those chemicals are dangerous and will kill you!! I suggest you stop eating and drinking at once! It will save your life!!

          • 45caliber

            Arsenic.

          • Eddie47d

            I think you are due for a poison ivy sandwich caliber but I guess you have a right to be goofy along with the rest of them. Why not it’s only “natural”.

          • DaveH

            Goofy is better than Union Troll, any day.

          • 45caliber

            eddie:

            A poison ivy sandwich wouldn’t kill you. It would just make you wish you were dead. Besides, I’ve very aware of what chemicals cause problems – and which ones don’t.

    • Thamera

      oh gawd

      • Thamera

        That was meant for Jeremy and Eddie and Doc and all the other bleeding hearts devoid of fact out there. Talk about lacking reason! I wonder if they actually read the article or just jump on the bandwagon with their trite diatribe and they call the right fear mongers? hahahahaha Mike you are so right on but it is facts like these that progressives will continue to ignore. People, the environmental movement, you dunces, is about power and money just like it was in pre WWII Germany. Lenin was correct “USEFUL IDIOTS”

        • Eddie47d

          Thamera; Maybe you should be more sensitive about peoples health,livelihood and what goes on in your community. Taking from someone else to feed your habits is not conducive to conservative values or is it? Polluting someone elses water so you can have oil and gas is not right. Forcing a town to move so you can have their oil is seldom a good idea but some of you look at that as a capital idea. Encouraging eminent domain over someones elses land for your own benefit should not be a conservative value. Yet corporations do it all the time to get at resources. Sure we all have to give and take to survive but it always seems to be the conservatives who take and leave ranchland (private farms) and cities devastated because they have the money to do as they please to take from others.You can come back and say they create more jobs than they take away but how much profit would you take to have your family home destroyed so someone else can make a profit.Look what the oil companies did in the Gulf where thousands of fishermen and food processing plants were put out of business because their livelihood was contaminated.That should be an American issue not a left or right issue. We all have a stake in what Big Oil does or doesn’t do. Whether it is for or against the environment or for or against someone elses livelihood.

          • Vigilant

            “Encouraging eminent domain over someones elses land for your own benefit should not be a conservative value.”

            And it’s not. Where did you get that cockeyed idea? It’s a LIBERAL value.

            Get away from the leftist sites and read the SCOTUS dissenting opinions from O’Conner and Thomas in “Kelo vs. New London, CT.” The leftists on the bench voted to allow a municipality to condemn private property just so a development Corp. could build on the land and increase the tax base of the city.

          • Eddie47d

            I think the conservatives on the bench would be more than happy to vote with the “leftists” on that issue. I’m not sure if either side is right or wrong unless it displaced dozens of people. Each community has to grapple with that issue. Was that development company on the right of issues and how much arm twisting did they do to get that vote?How many lobbyists were bought and paid for? Granted those on the left also love tax dollars to feed their pet projects so I shouldn’t have left them out of the equation.

          • Ruth B, Concerned Patriot

            “Conservatives take private (ranchland) and devastate it??? Maybe you should take an extended trip out west and see the vast areas of government owned land, including national parks, that are uncared for and devastated. Maybe you should talk to some conservative Montana ranchers who are fighting to keep their livelihood from eminent domain land-grabs by the government. Current fight is over the pipeline going through their pastures; yet Big Government passes a law that energy companies have a right to take land. (Our Demo governor vetoed the ban on that idea.) Maybe you should tour an area where there are oil wells, and see for yourself if they are ruining the land. But get a tour guide because you might not be able to find them on your own in the vastness.

          • Thamera

            No kidding Ruth B….how about them gray wolves that the environmentalists thought would be such a great thing to reintroduce that are now killing livestock and wildlife and virtually over-running everything from W. Yellowstone to Utah. Another strong argument for state rights and local control Eddie!

          • Thamera

            And btw Eddie47: be more involved in my community? Why do you assume that I am not. I volunteer my time and sit on the board of planning & zoning just for one example…what do you do pray tell? As for the rest of your logic, it is amazing how twisted it is. Take from others to feed my habits? Tell me Eddie, are you saying you don’t consume any energy? Your children don’t drive cars or live in homes? When did the consumption of energy become a “habit”?

          • Vigilant

            Eddie,

            “I think the conservatives on the bench would be more than happy to vote with the “leftists” on that issue. I’m not sure if either side is right or wrong unless it displaced dozens of people. Each community has to grapple with that issue.”

            Eddie, I suggest you do two things: (1) Read the Kelo vs. New London case, a famous one, and (2) read the “takings clause” in the 5th Amendment to the Constitution. Do those two things before you come on here with a totally incorrect kneejerk reaction to my FACTS.

            It’s ridiculous for you to say, “I think the conservatives on the bench would be more than happy to vote with the “leftists” on that issue.” I’m not talking about a hypothetical, I’m talking about HISTORY. The conservatives on the bench voted against the proposition.

            Secondly, when you say, “I’m not sure if either side is right or wrong unless it displaced dozens of people. Each community has to grapple with that issue,” your ignorance of the facts shows. IT DID DISPLACE DOZENS OF PEOPLE. Each community DOES NOT have the right to grapple with the issue, and many states passed laws in the wake of the SCOTUS decision to stop this dangerous nonsense.

            Once you dispense with the right to private property (a major goal of the socialists), you have violated Natural Law and the Constitution. Locke wasn’t joking when he said that the MAJOR obligation of government is to protect private property rights. Jefferson lifted Locke’s original expression of natural rights (“life, liberty and property”), but he should have kept it intact.

            “Was that development company on the right of issues and how much arm twisting did they do to get that vote?How many lobbyists were bought and paid for? Granted those on the left also love tax dollars to feed their pet projects so I shouldn’t have left them out of the equation.”

            No Eddie, what you say is diversionary and has NOTHING to do with the illegitimacy of the ruling.. The Constitution specifies the law, not side issues of emotion or political taste.

          • DaveH

            Sure, Eddie, we should hire all those Angels in Big Government to save us from the Corporate Devils. I mean we all know that Devils are banned from Government, don’t we? And just ignore the fact that Government can force us to buy their products, but Corporations can’t. Now, let’s all pull our stocking caps down over our eyes and sing “kum ba yah” with Eddie.

          • 45caliber

            eddie:

            I’ve been to Montana and loved the state. But they are having MAJOR environmental problems there. The environmentalists insist it is due to the ranch owners – but the odd thing is that the damage is all along the streams which are open to the state. Trash everywhere. Brush that was meant to break the force of the flooded streams is smashed down and cut. River banks are washed out and leave the once clear streams muddy.

            And you want to know what is doing that damage? It may surprise you. It is the “environmentalists” from places like California who came to hike and camp along the open streams. They cut the brush to make an easier trail. They cut the brush and trees to burn in their camp fires. They leave their trash everywhere. But none will admit they are doing it. “Someone else did.”

          • Eddie47d

            Ruth: I have mentioned that fact about that pipeline at least 5 times and the oil companies keep pushing it. If the government gives in it is because those oil companies pressured them and have for years. Those ranchers don’t have a prayer once it get’s rolling. Some will call it capitalism or free enterprise where one group or company can force another out of business just because they have more clout or power. Like Robert Ringer says anything goes and will be allowed with his way of doing business. Some Americans better be careful what they wish for but they will blame it on liberals when they aren’t even in sight.

          • DaveH

            Get it straight, Eddie, Free Enterprise does not involve Government. What you are citing is exactly the opposite. And it is indeed what Liberals are creating. As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.

          • Eddie47d

            Dave H The only thing corrupting is you’re latest comment and that didn’t flow too well.

          • Cawmun Cents

            It may be necessary for us to look at the big picture. I am not certain that we have all considered just exactly what the big picture is.I think we all agree that by the information available to us,that oil is a re-newable resource.I also think we all agree that considering that China and India,are on the fast track to capitalism of a sort,that the available resources at this point are going to be(if not already)stretched.This fact begs our careful contemplation of the resource issue at hand.Do we use up our supposed winfall of petroleum product,or do we conserve it and use it to enrich futuer generations,by making it available on the market(at a future time) for China and India?We need to speculate about this carefully.We are a consumption based economy,and we need those resources to eventually pan out for us.But if we start extricatiing them for our own consumption,wont this possibly short us later?Look…I am far from an environmentalist.In fact,I think the world would be a better place if most of them went the way of the dinosaurs.But this question of being a take,rather than save nation,when it comes to gambling with the future,needs to be given a pondering or two.It may be that using it up before the Hun comes to take it from us is wise.But it may then also be true that we should sit on our reserves for a while and see what the future holds.In any case if worst case scenarios and world resource issues could be solved tomorrow,I am certain that we will be at the forefront of any such decisions being made.We have the toughest military on the planet,and we also have people here with inventive reasoning to sort this kind of thing out.I think we may be more fortunate than we now believe,but that is for history to tell.

    • MIke Shaw

      I’ve read plans and proposals from Progressives. There is a plan known as The Buffalo Commons whereby all human activity is moved out of the Great Plains from Canada to Texas. No crops, no oil or gas production, no manufacturing. Read Saul Alinky’s Rules for Radicals and Cloward and Piven and tell us these people are not satanists.

      • Eddie47d

        Never heard of that and it sounds rather naive. Why dump on Texas even if such a group exists. There is a plan by oil companies to displace thousands on the plains/ or buy land for the Canadian pipeline. Now that is a conservative idea which will help the economy but hurt ranchers and homeowners in it’s way. Humans are always scheming to improve our lives or taking from others.We are certainly a mixed bag.

        • Ruth B, Concerned Patriot

          EddiE, again: Sure would like to know where you are getting your info. The fight has been with the Canadian pipeline company, not the oil companies, and actually does not displace anyone, the land it would use is minimal. There are issues concerning safety, reclaiming of land on either side after the installation, etc., and these issues are being addressed.
          The “buffalo run” is naive, I would say ridiculous, but is very real.
          Research “Agenda 21″; there are some initiatives instigated by Obama, try “Outdoor initiatives.” Also the “Missouri Breaks” land grab initiative in Montana.

          • 45caliber

            And the same group who is pushing this want to kill all the buffalo in Alaska (the two largest buffalo herds in the world) because “they aren’t indiginess to that area.” It really makes me wonder about their sanity. Luckily, they aren’t likely to get very far with this.

        • DaveH

          Another classic statement from Eddie.
          First he says he has “Never heard of that”, and then he says “it sounds rather naive”. He hasn’t heard of something, yet he can pass judgement that it is naive? Unbelievable.

        • JeffH

          FYI 47D…The Buffalo Commons is a conceptual proposal to create a vast nature preserve by returning 139,000 square miles (360,000 km2) of the drier portion of the Great Plains to native prairie, and by reintroducing the buffalo, or American Bison, that once grazed the shortgrass prairie. The proposal would affect six Western States, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Texas, and four Midwest states, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Kansas.

          • DaveH

            There you go again, Jeff, assaulting Eddie with those pesky facts.

          • Eddie47d

            Facts don’t bother me Dave H. Do they bother You?

    • DaveH

      More fear-mongering from the left, when really the greatest thing to fear is the impoverishment that is guaranteed by the Big Government that leftists are creating.
      Big Government loves to scare the population. How else can they extract ever-more taxes from an unwilling populace? How else can College Professors get their research grants to study things most people don’t care about?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67dcK5sjHsE&feature=player_embedded

    • 45caliber

      MAL:

      Do you even know what a cancer is? What does it do? I’ll give you a homework assignment – look it up. But then, people like you never did any homework, did you?

      Radioactive iodine does go out in your urine. And how much is that? How much of it is going to affect something else? Really want to know? So little that it can’t even be detected once it hits the water treatment plant.

      The problem is that you and others like you have listened too much to the fear mongers who want your dollars and your votes and don’t want you to think. They scare you about something like this so they can get away with everything else – or they can keep your money while you pay for taking care of something with your own money – what there is left of it.

      I am definitely for a clean planet. Do you walk across a parking lot on your way into Walmart and pick up paper? I do. Are you careful to make sure that any trash you generate while outside goes to a trash can? I am. And we have a clean planet in most places. But Mankind is PART of the environment – not something outside it as many would have you believe. You must live within it or you die. No third choice yet. And all of us prefer to live within it. So don’t bother calling names – I would bet that you use as much energy, create as much trash, eat as much food, and have as much waste as any of us. And I’d win.

    • Patty

      So Mal – Educate yourself and stay away from processed foods and things that give you cancer. Obviously, all of the gov’t. regulation that is out there is not helping. Stop relying on others. Find out for yourself. Eat organic, it will make you feel better and healthier. It is not “you are what you eat”. It is “you are whatever you are eating has been eating”.

  • MIke Shaw

    The retired CEO of one of the major oil companies tipped me off when he said petroleum is just something the planet makes. I asked my Geophysicist buddy if it was the product of plate techtonics where the carbon and water rich limestone ocean floor is drawn under the continental crust to be metamorphozed into petroleum. In a round about way, he said YES. Oil is going to be with us as long as the planet turns itself inside out. All we have to do is find where it is today.
    We can use technology to clean up the emmissions. We do that now. It is cheap and plentiful if we will just USE IT. God made this planet for us to use, not to worship and not to destroy. There is more oil now that ever before, but those enemies of mankind lie and try to convince us not to use it.

    • 45caliber

      I agree with you. The people who worship the environment actually are the real problem since the people are PART of the environment and not seperate from it. And, further, GOD is NOT the planet. Or perhaps I should say, not JUST the planet.

  • Eddie47d

    We can’t live without oil companies for many years into the future. That doesn’t mean that they are always the good guys either and we have to be beholden to their every whim. They still demand subsidies,tax breaks and under the table special favors. Thankfully not all oil companies are adversaries of greed and carelessness. Some are very conscientious about the environment and work hard to see that drilling is done right. There are numerous drilling rigs on the North Slope of Alaska producing our oil. Some places like that village of Kaktovik mentioned by Ringer should have a say in how much damage can be sustained by this town. If they don’t want this in their back yard then give them a listen. You would demand the same in your community. This village depends on whaling and fishing for their livelihood and have stated they don’t want the rigs. The noise level from drilling in the seas would drive their food source away and too far out for their boats to reach. Thus killing off the village. So Robert Ringers attack against Earth Justice which was nothing more than a poison dart attack against environmentalists without a word of concern for the villagers of Kaktovik.

    • JeffH

      Let’s see. I always get a bit suspicious when I see that an environmental extremist group like Earth Justice received direct funding and assistance from George Soros and his Open Society Institute. Immediately raises a red flag.

      Earthjustice: This group seeks to place severe restrictions on how U.S. land and waterways may be used. It opposes most mining and logging initiatives, commercial fishing businesses, and the use of motorized vehicles in undeveloped areas.

      • DaveH

        They could accomplish their goals peacefully and morally by pooling their monies and buying land to set aside for their environmental goals. But they don’t want either. Their real goal is to take other peoples’ money, and increase their power over our lives.

        • 45caliber

          DaveH! Bite your tongue! Spend their OWN money on this? How crass can you get! They would end up poor. They want to spend other people’s money since it is okay if THEY end up poor. Just not themselves!

    • 45caliber

      Eddie:

      I can remember the same arguements against drilling in the Gulf before they started. It was going to frighten all the fish away and absolutely ruin both commercial and recreational fishing. No drilling should be allowed!

      But the arguements seemed to vanish when it was discovered that the fish liked the rigs as places to hide and breed. Today the best fishing spots are near these rigs.

      • Eddie47d

        Different scenario in Alaska. I doubt if whales will be using oil rigs for any useful purpose.

        • Thamera

          hey, you never know. Environmentalists said the pipeline would decimate the caribou in Alaska. Instead there herds increased and they seem to enjoy the warmth of the pipeline.

          • JC

            I’ve seen photographs of herds in the tens of thousands walking directly underneath an elevated pipeline and bedding down in sight of a rig. The Watermelons were astonished and could not explain it! LOL

    • DaveH

      As usual there is more to the story than the Liberals let on:
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/22/AR2005042201832.html

  • MAL

    And you are a lowlife

    • MIke Shaw

      I see Progressives still cannot argue a point, they can only retort with name calling.
      Last summer my wife and I sat next to a little girl on a plane flying into Anchorage AK. She was saying we need to stop using oil and convert to electricty on everything. I looked down at her and asked if she knew electricity had to come from hydroelectric dams, or gas and coal powered plants? She got a wide eyed look and was quiet several minutes, then began to ask questions about where oil comes from and emmissions standards. So should you.

  • MAL

    that was a reply to the 9:37am comment that it is ok to kill kids by pollution for corporate profits.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Get this through your brain. No one since time immemorial has done any selling or buying without someone making a profit. That is as it should be. Only thieves want to take from the producers and give it away to the non producers.

      • Vigilant

        You are spot on!

        Ergo, “thief” = “liberal.”

        Libs are the most generous people in the world. They just want to be generous with other people’s money.

        • 45caliber

          Correct.

  • MAL

    You are screwed up and immoral

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Considering from where the name calling is coming from,I’ll take that as a compliment.
      How is it that you would impoverish America with no oil drilling of our own? How are goods to get to market? How do we produce the machinery that makes our lives productive and safe?
      You must drive to get to work, to gyms, to school, so why don’t you give all this up and start to really care.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Are you married?marry me please……I like smart girls!

      • Thamera

        Awesome Nadzieja…spot on

        • Carlucci

          And a marriage proposal to boot! Rock on, Nadzieja -! :)

      • Nadzieja Batki

        I’ll go further. Don’t use toothpaste, shampoo, soap, detergent. These are all dangerous chemicals according to your non thinking. The companies that produce these are all out to destroy us and they will make profits in the process.

        • 45caliber

          Nadzieja:

          I’ll even go further than that. They shouldn’t use any food products either. All are nasty chemicals in one form or another! Take table salt, for instance. It is composed of chlorine (which is very poisonous gas) or sodium (which is a metal that explodes when it touches water). So obviously he/she shouldn’t use that. We can’t live without some of it in our system but it is more important to not use these terrible chemicals that might poison us. Eggs contain sulphur – which combined with hydrogen will poison us! Coffee contains caffine – and if you inject all the caffine in one cup of coffee into your arm you wouldn’t make it to the nearest hospital for help before dropping dead. All are really nasty chemicals!

        • Cawmun Cents

          The surgeon general has recently determined that some or all people will get cancer from one thing or another so quit smoking,eating,drinking,sex,and having fun of any kind….then you can live long enough to regret not doing these things.

    • MIke Shaw

      MAL, please explain to us the superior morality of Progressives’ plans to starve millions of human beings by shutting off the production of petroleum, from which we get not only gasoline and diesel fuel, we get the plastic that made the keys on your computer keyboard,(or would you rather they still be made of ivory?) fertilizer, many drugs, textiles, etc. We get only energy from electicity, but coal and petroleum give us many valuable by-products.
      Bill Ayers admited that some 25 million Americans would not go along with his plan to remake American society and will therefore need to be eliminated.
      I cannot believe these well educated intellectual Progressives cannot plan any better than this. I CAN however believe they plan to ruin and starve the entire world on purpose, all to the plans laid out by Alinsky and Coward and Piven.
      We are able to be lied to and confused by Progressives only because we have turned from God and run Him out of His rightful place in our govt. and society.

  • Robert

    If you all want to stick your heads in the sand please do so and let us drill the giant oil reserves we have which will free us from the bad influences of the socialists marxists and liberals who hate freedom, capitalism, and genius. the free markets and hard work with purpose to grow and prosper. I grew up during the hey day of capitalism and profited from it. but now my children and grandchildren are being made slaves to the illegal alliens, the marxists, and the liberals who hate our constitution, and freedom. we are dying because of liberals.

    • 45caliber

      I can remember even back in my youth hearing these people say, “We must save it for the children!”

      Well, my children are grown and my grandkids are getting there. And they need that oil! So when are they going to actually give it to the children?

      Oh, wait, I’m hearing that refrain again! It must be my grandchildren’s children they want to save it for! Right?

  • Andy Boyd

    What you are discussing are the fundamentals of free market capitalism with us as consumers benefiting by lowering the cost of products and services. We would also notice further effect because Detroit would respond with even more choices of exciting autos that would remind all of us of the pony car days .. Ahhh the sound of a big 8 at full throttle! Obama fully missed the point with health care, energy production and American ingenuity by siding with unions and his attempt to redistribute wealth .. the American people will not tolerate it. What would impress me is returning this country to what we were .. innovators, champions of capitalism and a model of society to the world. It is the American people that must stand up and demand our country back from these people that believe the European model is superior to ours .. it is not. This country can be a 30 trillion dollar economy but we have to start thinking that way again, reunited in a common cause which is capitalism. The benefits are over whelming because it causes opportunity for those that want to seek financial security for the proper reason and in hard times accept proper aid from the state or government.
    We the people need a new agenda in this country and that is to start thinking on our feet again so that we are the originators of ideas, products and services instead of inconsiderate, career politicians who feel that we are their slaves with a checkbook, we are not. Oil production should benefit everyone, health care should be unlocked from the archaic thinking of the AMA and the FDA that everyone should have a prescription for something. I challenge you to take any drug and plant it in the ground while planting an herb next to it, the obvious growth of the herb will allow everyone to understand that O-Care is nothing more than sick care while it ignores an entire wellness protocal that would allow all forms of healing thus lowering expenses and actually healing the patient. Can you imagine the jobs this would create? It would expose the junk science and allow the real truth to surface .. no more treating people like second rate idiots to the delight of companies making expensive drugs.
    I submit that we the people demand those things that are sensible to our lifestyle while allowing those less fortunate to catch up through programs that change lives instead of ignoring disabilities, injuries or insecurity. We should also encourage Washington to get back to the fundamentals instead of crony capitalism that selects based on relationships in place of talent or experience. Change the concept of sick care by creating new, sensible standards for the FDA and the AMA so that people can live longer more fulfilling lives. Drop the idea that energy from the ground has some sort of evil to it and create energy policy instead of allowing the “pansy party” to try and steer us back into the stone age with senseless regulation .. tax these organizations and they will not have the money to be in court. Continue to encourage the alternative side of fossil fuels by extracting oil from algae, increasing the efficiency of solar cells and battery technology. Do not ignore magnetic motor technology that needs no fuel to generate power instead of pandering to the Public Utility commission. We have become complacent because those in power seem to be good enough and they supply us with the basics for life but at what cost? It is not good enough that we sit still while other technologies are advancing at a more than rapid pace because we sacrifice too many market positions while allowing others to become first movers of inventions and intellectual products .. we know about all of them but choose to ignore many of them .. stop it!
    Shame on you Obama and all of your staff for ignoring American ingenuity because we know the answers and we are not confused either but you will never learn until we vote you out of office .. start packing!

    • Thamera

      Well said Andy!

    • 45caliber

      Andy! You don’t understand the European system as compared to ours! Our system doesn’t recognize them as superior to the rest of us. The European model will not only recognize them as superior but even make them nobles! Or maybe even kings and queens! Of course we need to change to their system!

      NOT!

    • Eddie47d

      Andy; You sound like you have a head on your shoulders and are willing to present some welcoming points of view. Then again there are few folks who need a “big 8 throttle” on any vehicle. Ranchers and construction folks are some of the exceptions but for most that would be a step backwards.Your anti-union rhetoric is more than suspect since they earned what they achieved. It’s always odd that some of you are obsessed with taking away their income(“wealth”)but ignore the corporate crooks who handed unions their income. Yet some on the right say a person should be able to keep what they earned. Is that a double standard or hypocrisy or what? Also Germany is doing great so why lump all Europeans in the same basket. That would be like saying we are impoverished because Mexico is part of North America. You attack Obama over healthcare when it was private health insurers who raised premiums through the roof. Pharmaceutical companies also scammed this country and rode to the top by that same capitalism you say is a God send. No different than the financial companies who had lax regulations and they took advantage of that fact.Big Pharma sold America expensive and sometimes useless drugs courtesy of our capitalistic system. They were the ones pushing for sick care and they loved it. On another subject of yours you said money that is given to private charities should be taxed. In this case an environmental group. So if I give my own already taxed money to one of these groups that money would be taxed again. I suppose we should start taxing churches too since not every American agrees with their agenda.(they shape alot of our policies too). I hate to tell you but the “pansy party” has many good ideas and is moving us into the future. They want more reliability in our energy needs instead of being stuck only on oil. You had some quality ideas of your own but it all doesn’t come down to being exploitative and profiteering.That’s a bridge that can be built together by both parties or even a third party.It was capitalism along with big government that brought our nation down so it’s hard to grandstand on either one. American ingenuity isn’t dead and Obama didn’t kill it. So the right needs to stop poisoning the well of cooperation and the left needs to be a little more flexible on our nations growth.

      • JeffH

        47D says “Then again there are few folks who need a “big 8 throttle” on any vehicle.”

        47D…please tell us what a “big 8 throttle” is? I know what Andy was referring to but I’m pretty sure you haven’t a clue…”big 8 throttle” LMAO!

        As for the rest of you squiggly wiggly comment…no direction, just rambling.

        • Eddie47d

          That still puts me way ahead of you Jeff. Throttle response time and air flow to create more power. Stop being so arrogant about others.

          • JeffH

            …really? That is still not a “big 8 throttle” ya ignorant dummy…still don’t know do you!

  • s c

    Show me a ‘Democrat’ who’s willing to own up to placing built-in restrictions on America’s oil refining capacity (ref. gasoline), and I’ll show you someone who’s days are numbered in Washington. How can we have someone in the White House who dares to pretend to give a damn about rising gasoline prices, and yet lives in such deep denial that he can’t understand that HIS policies will do nothing but make the situation worse? Could it be that Herr Obummer is in the back pockets of OIL CORPORATIONS? DO THE MATH, America!
    So how is he looking out for the poor and the middle class? He DOESN’T CARE, people. He’s doing what he’s told, in the vain hope that Americans have a short memory. In fact, it’s the White House wunderkind himself who has a severe memory problem. He’ll be reminded in the next election – Jimmy Peanuts Carter-style. And good riddance!

    • Thamera

      Exactly s.c. Obama doesn’t give a wit about the middle class – anyone remember his comment to the guy who questioned Obama about gasoline prices to which Obama’s response was to “get another car” and that his family “couldn’t be that big!” Obama is certainly not a member of the middles class…he could’nt be further removed.

      • Eddie47d

        T. He’s trying to save the middle class that big companies exploited by paying executives those outrageous bonuses and salaries. No company can sustain greed at the top and expect to be viable. So instead of correcting this inequity they chose to give themselves bigger pay checks and ship their factories overseas. The middle class that worked in these factories got dumped and our standard of living went into the toilet.So if you really care about where our middle class went to go and ask those CEOs who now live in bigger mansions.

        • JeffH

          47D, if I understand you correctly, what you are saying is that the Big Corporations are responsible for the demise of the middle class because they pay their CEO’s big dollars and bonuses?

          • Eddie47d

            Now you are catching on Jeff.

          • JeffH

            47D, I’ve known all along, you just confirm it over and over…still, you haven’t come close to getting it correct.

          • JC

            And…Eddie is still a trained seal for the left.

        • Thamera

          Did you get dumped Eddie? Is that why the bitter hatred toward anyone with wealth?

          • Eddie47d

            Did you ever get dumped Thamera? Is that why you are so bitter and want to get so much more of that pie. Been married 38 years and have known a few women who took their ex’s for a financial ride.

          • JC

            Don’t bother, Thamera he’s not worth it.

        • Vigilant

          Eddie,

          Instead of these stupid unsubtantiated comments, here’s a challenge for you. Take all corporate CEO salaries/bonus/stocks/perks and compare that to total business capitalization in this country.

          Then take total wages/salaries/pensions/benefits of the hoi polloi who work in those companies and compare that to total business capitalization.

          You’ll not only have your eyes opened, you’ll be pretty red-faced when you’re done.

    • 45caliber

      sc:

      What I’m afraid of is that some of Reid’s buddies in the unions will have to “fix” the ballot machines that aren’t showing enough Oblama votes in 2012.

      • Eddie47d

        Still playing that tired old song about rigged elections in Nevada? I have seen nowhere that it happened so please enlighten us.

        • JeffH

          Did SEIU Ballot Fraud Play Role in Harry Reid Re-Election?
          SEIU Local 1107 technicians run Clark County voting machines, any glitches in the end must be the responsibility of these workers. And these glitches appear to have been no accident.

          Votes without voters – the notion seems like something from “The
          Twilight Zone.” Yet this outcome, the result of a mysterious computer glitch, may have helped re-elect Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid over his Republican challenger, Sharron Angle, last week by a 50.2%-44.6% margin. Actually, the “mystery” is very likely the doing of a local of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), which nationwide provides votes, money and muscle for the Democratic Party. Critics are charging that voting machines throughout Clark County (Las Vegas), where about three-fourths of Nevada’s population resides, were rigged to place check marks next to Reid’s name before a person even had voted.

          The (SEIU)Service Employees also may be supplying labor for Democrats in a rather insidious way. A collective bargaining agreement (CBA) between Clark County and SEIU Local 1107 puts the union in charge of servicing all voting machines. The agreement reads as follows:

          ‘The County hereby recognizes the Union as the sole and exclusive collective bargaining representative of the County employees assigned to the classifications listed in Appendix A who are eligible to be represented by the Union except as limited by Section 2 of this Article. The Union shall be notified of additions to the list of classifications (Exhibit A) within seven (7) days of posting for the position classification and shall receive 30 days advance notice of any deletions.’

          http://nlpc.org/stories/2010/11/11/harry-reid-re-election-likely-due-seiu-ballot-fraud

          • JeffH

            47D, I’m still waiting for one of your brilliant metaphores.

          • Eddie47d

            The Tea Party lost in Nevada and you are still making assumptions. That is so brave of you Jeff!

          • JC

            Still waiting.

        • patty
  • mark

    I live on the west coast of Florida. A big part of our economy is tourism. People come to west Florida for our beautiful beaches. People do not like OIL soaked beaches. We can not afford to have or beaches ruined. NO OIL DRILLING in the GULF!!! How about limiting people to so many gallons of gas per month, like they did in WW2?

    • Thamera

      Is it even worth responding? ummmm….no…can’t argue with ignorant!!!!! Where do jobs come from Mark from Florida? Instead of Florida you should be leaving in sunny Cuba!

      • Thamera

        *living*

        • Carlucci

          Well, he can’t go there (Cuba). I heard yesterday that they are going to start drilling as they have discovered oil. Maybe he should take a slow boat to outer Mongolia….

      • Eddie47d

        T; Tourism is the biggest business in Florida so why the careless comments about wanting to ruin it with an oil spill.Wouldn’t that be like robbing Peter to pay Paul? That would sure be productive. Not!

        • Thamera

          Nobody said they want to “ruin” it with an oil spill Eddie. That is the problem you think that anyone who isn’t for government rules and regs doesn’t value the the environment and Eddie that is just plain B.S. and liberal propaganda at it’s finest. And Eddie do you really think that there won’t always be wealthy CEO’s and politicians?

          • Eddie47d

            Nice spin tammy!

          • JC

            Liberals are typically hysterical Thamera.
            It’s all they’ve got…a mental disorder.

          • Vigilant

            This is rich!

            Eddie gets caught in a BIG lie (“why the careless comments about wanting to ruin it with an oil spill.”) and then accuses Thamera of spinning the truth.

            What a maroon….

    • Ruth B, Concerned Patriot

      Mark, they probably wouldn’t limit the gas enough, then they would give out so many waivers, that no difference would be seen.
      Incidentally, you ought to do some research on just whose fault it was that the Gulf spill did so much damage.
      They were drilling in deep water “over their heads” (pardon the pun), because of government restrictions, they did not get it cleaned up for months because of government stalling and restrictions, and then the oil company got the blame. Then while U.S. companies were banned from further drilling, Brazil gets a couple million dollars to explore and drill in the same area. Something wrong with this picture?

      • Eddie47d

        BP couldn’t plug the leak because of unworkable solutions and equipment and Brazil is not drilling in the same area. (about 4 thousand miles away).

        • JC

          And Brazil is using American taxpayer funding to do it too….
          Thanks again to that miserable excuse for a ….I mean that nice Kenyan Fellow who seems so fond of our White House and our Treasury.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      How hungry do you plan to be when food production and transportation and distribution is limited because gas is rationed?

    • 7thID

      And how pray tell are those people going to get to sunny Florida with out oil and gas? Walk? Ride a bike? Ride a horse?

      Liberals are so clueless on how the real world works.

    • Cawmun Cents

      In WW2 nearly 16 million U.S.men and women were deployed militarily throughout the globe.That kind of number consumes way more fuel than our voluntary force which is deployed right now.So fuel rationing is ridiculous considering our fighting force is much smaller now.

  • mark

    The rich exploits us poor and middle class, that is why we need to re-distbute wealth. If the American people were not exploited by big business, they greedy, we would all live well.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Are you 5 years old? The reasoning is completely childish.

      • Vigilant

        …and historically wrong, too.

        At least we finally met a socialist on this site who admits to being a socialist. He’s got more balls than Obama….

    • Marty S.

      Mark check this out.

      You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”*

      * Adrian Rogers, 1931*

      I work hard to take care of my responsibilities to my family and to pursuit happiness despite the heavy weight of big government and the Robinhood mentality of a large group of people in this country who refuse to take care of themselves. Please quit expecting me to take care of you, whom I dont even know on top of this. Get off your butt and quit expecting a handout. You will be a stronger person for it too. Big oil is not the problem here it is big greedy government and the citizenry that put it in place to do their bidding.

      • Thamera

        well said Marty S.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Thank you.

    • MIke Shaw

      “the rich exploit the poor” is a worn out catch phrase from communism. You cannot exploit the poor because they have nothing to give. There is no reason to give a sales pitch to anyone who has no money.

      • Cawmun Cents

        While the sales pitch argument definitely holds weight among those of us who know this to be true,it seems to work long enough to get a Democrat elected.

    • DaveH

      So you want their money, Mark? So it’s Greedy for them to want to keep their own money, but you’re not Greedy for wanting to take it from them?
      How do the rich exploit us, Mark? Have they forced you to buy something? Please explain.
      We would all live well? I seem to remember those kind of promises in 1959. From Castro. It worked so well for Cuba.

      • 45caliber

        DaveH”

        Actually that statement goes back to Lenin in Russia about 1925 or so. And Russia has done as well as Cuba, hasn’t it?

    • DaveH

      Here is a real-life example of why we can’t cater to Liberals feel-good policies. They sound good, and we all would like to help others, but does it work?
      http://www.travelchannel.com/Video/tony-feeds-the-locals-11746

    • 45caliber

      mark:

      How are you exploited by the rich? Do they hold a gun to your head and make you buy something? Do they force you to watch advertisements that then make you buy their products? Just how do they exploit you?

      You don’t have to buy from them, you know. And if no one bought, the rich would go broke, wouldn’t they?

      I’d really like some answers from you on this. You are simply quoting some liberal communist comments but without explaining any of it. Quoting something doesn’t make it true.

      • DaveH

        Get him, 45.

    • patty

      Mark – How old are you? You don’t sound like you have experienced a whole lot of life. So I will put this as simple as I can. Guess what. At my age, I am done giving to worthless causes. You want what I got. Come take it. Just try. It isn’t yours, you did not earn it. And I will defend it. Where were you when I was working 24/7 building a business? Flipping burgers and spitting on them because your manager pissed you off? Whining to mom and dad that you didn’t have the latest and greatest? Get off of your lazy a$$ and go EARN what you think you deserve. Otherwise, be satisfied with nothing. Zero from zero is still zero, so you will at least stay even.

  • Robert

    I saw a movie last week, and everyone should see it, but it is not runing any more. it is Atlas Shrugged, but I hope it comes out in dvd. if not the only other recourse is to read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. read with an open mind and you may learn something.

    • DaveH

      The Liberals effectively got that movie killed with their politically motivated reviews. But the users who actually saw the movie gave it an A-.
      See here:
      http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810168323/info

    • Carlucci

      Great book. I read it years ago. I loved “The Fountainhead”, too.
      I’m sure the movie will be available at Redbox and Netflix.

      • Average Joe

        I actually re-read the book the weekend before last…as well as watching “The Fountainhead”(1949)and am looking forward to seeing A.S. asap…. it is very revealing of people’s thought processes….The Lieral view of “Utopia” can never exist in reality…but we will never convince them of that basic truth…maybe a few of them will see the movie and understand the concept…but I am guessing that most will not even see the movie…because of what they have heard, that and the fact that it goes against almost everything that they “believe” in and hold to be “truth”.

        • Average Joe

          Who is John Galt?

          ;)

          • Cawmun Cents

            “I am Spartacus”.Oh yeah,…wrong movie.

  • chuckb

    this country has an infinite supply of natural gas, this is a renewable energy.None of the fossil fuels are considered to be renewable in that sense. But, since natural gas is primarily methane, and methane is readily available and obtainable from renewable sources other than gas wells drilled into conventional underground reservoirs, it can be considered renewable
    we could convert cars to natural gas overnight. n gas burns cleaner and easier on the engine. the problem is how do you control the price and supply. how do you create a crisis to raise the price. the united states has an infinite supply of natural gas, according to the u.s. geological survey.

    we are herded like a flock of sheep by the government politicians and the oil companies, neither care what inconvenience they cause to the people, it’s all what power they can conceive and money flowing to their coffers. the environmentalist are a tool for the oil companies, that’s why we don’t have more nuclear power plants, they keep up a constant fear of the dangers of nuc power in order to control the sheep and of course the media carries the message for them. when we have a catastrophe like the recent earthquake in japan, you note the emphasis on the damaged reactors and what may happen, yet not one person has been killed by the melt down. now they inform us, the radiation may be carried by the sea to the west coast of the u.s. (in small print, it will be diluted so no harm will be done.)

    • 45caliber

      chuckb:

      The REAl problem is getting government permission to use it for this purpose. It is far too easy for most of us to add a valve to our house supply and fill up at home rather than at some station so the government can’t tax it at the same rate as gasoline. So far every time someone has tried, it’s been denies. T.Boone Pickens tried several years ago and wasn’t allowed primarily for that reason.

      They are trying to introduce a “road tax” now to cover electric cars and other alternate fuel vehicles as well as those of us with gasoline cars. They plan to use a built-in GPS that will transmit your milage to some receiver. You would get a monthly bill based on the milage. Once that goes into affect (which means getting all the cars without a built-in GPS off the road) they will be more receptive to using alternate fuels.

      But they also intend to keep the fuel tax on gasoline at least, so you would be paying far more tax with a gasoline vehicle – probably designed that way to encourage you to use something else and “save the environment”.

      • patty

        OK. I don’t know much about propane or natural gas in a vehicle. If you get into a crash, what happens? Other than heating a home, I have radiant heat w/forced air back up. How safe would it be? I have had a not too good experience with a gas BBQ so it makes me a little paranoid. Please educate me.

        • 45caliber

          patty:

          The tanks used for the gas are hard to penetrate but it can be done. The normal leaks would come from loose threads or breaking the valve. But it generally isn’t any worse that rupturing a gasoline tank. Generally you can smell a leak prior to any chance of fire since the gas has a stink added that you can smell in parts per billion. I seriously doubt that it would be any less safe than your car now.

          • Patty

            OK. Thanks. I have a funny story for you. My farm was hit by some straight line winds. There was a tree about to fall on my propane tank. The local farm boys came over with their chainsaws. Tied a rope around the tree to direct its fall away from the tank. Didn’t work, fell on the tank anyways. Everyone stood there quiet. I asked Big Al what the deal was. He said” Shhh, I’m listening for a hisss.
            You never seen someone run for the hills that fast (me). I bet they are still laughing! Of course, I am pretty sure it would take a lot more force to pierce or break the tank than a tree falling on it, and it is probably under pressure so if it did happen it would explode and not hiss. Still makes me wary of that energy source.

    • MIke Shaw

      Switching to electric vehicles or converting our gasoline engines to natural gas is still givng in to the Progressives. They have won if they convince you to spend needlessly and run scared from what should be cheap and is readily available right now. There are more proven reserves of petroleum in the world today than there has ever been. Get off your butt and go find it.

  • Ruth B, Concerned Patriot

    Chuck, my car, a 1998, cannot be converted to natural gas, and I cannot afford a newer one that can. Don’t have figures for converting a car (read once about $12,000) but read just recently $20,000 to convert a diesel truck. If you think that is feasible for most of us, you must run with a different crowd than the folks in this part of the country do.

    • Raggs

      Butane works…. My dad had a truck he converted to butane back in the carter years… Go figure… Anyway it cost around $500 to convert over back then not to mention the rental on the tank $30 a month or so back then.

      We had a 500 gallon tank that lasted for months.

    • 45caliber

      I investigated the use of natural gas and propane for use in company vehicles some years ago for the company I was working for. It would cost about $1300 a vehicle and any engine that could use gasoline would work. The cost included a 25 gallon tank as well as all the alterations needed. While only about 15% of gasoline is used as power (the rest is burned in the exhaust) 100% of the power from ng or propane would be achieved. The milage was close to the same although gasoline was about 10% greater milage. At that time, the cost of the two fuels was far less than gasoline. Now propane is very close to the same amount per gallon.

      It was not done then due to the government. They would not allow us to put one of those vehicles on the road without a special license. They couldn’t tax the fuel as they do gasoline. Their special license was actually a road tax based on a guess as to how many miles a year we would place on each vehicle. It was far too expensive.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      Conversion of a diesel truck requires a NEW gasoline engine, thats where the cost is.
      As far as converting ANY gasoline powered vehicle to propane its under 1000.00. The problem is the Filling stations are few & far between! The advantages are the engine will last almost indefinately because of how clean the engine will run. Its quite amazing if you’ve ever seen a gasoline engine taken apart after say 100k miles and a Propane engine with the same milage…one look like brand new the other looks carbon crudded & worn.

    • chuckb

      ruth patriot, have no idea what kind of car you drive, i thought all cars could be changed over. however, the figure of changing over i could find runs between 3-5000.00 dollars. it sure beats buying one of barrys sardine cans. this is nothing new and lot of cities have converted their fleets of cars and trucks to nat gas.

  • Raggs

    Drilling in the US will have an adverse effect on obamas plan to gain billions in porfits from petro-bra…

    • 45caliber

      I fear you are right. He “gave” them billions of tax dollars but expects to get the profits paid directly to him.

      • JC

        He’ll get his reward from Soros.

  • Bitter Libertarian

    “The crown jewel of the Obamaviks’ crisis-creation strategy is the skyrocketing price of gasoline, resulting almost exclusively from the government’s heavy-handed, unConstitutional regulation of the petroleum industry.”
    True, BUT ONLY over the long haul…this short term hike is directly related to the value of the dollar!! DUH!! When BinLaden was killed what happend??? = Dollar went up + Oil went down!! As the criminal federal reserve prints the dollar into oblivion THIS is whats driving
    the price of OIL up in the short term. Not saying there isnt some increase from the Oil markets, as they too will get “FULL” value oit of every drop sold!!

    • Raggs

      Any clues to what he will use as his next “spot light” moment?

      Q-daffy?… He seems to have accomplished fooling 50% now he has to deal with the rest of his low life underling peasants… No doubt pelosi has a plan…

      • Bitter Libertarian

        My guess is about as good as my card playing….its NOT..lol

        Whatever it is it going to be, it will take the US in a direction of more War. Not that I believe Obama is a war monger, but I believe he has his orders like every POTUS has over the past 100 years. Those who doubt this doubt the very fabric that makes the world turn. In fact there is so meuch evidence to support a globalist adjenda these days, that if you cant see itfor yourself, you may need an eye test.

        The short version is that there is a ton of money to be made as economies collapse and economies rise…the boring stuff in the middle is NOT where the global elite make their dough.

        • Raggs

          oblama is not big on war unless it puts feathers in his cap.

          I for one do not have a tickling sensation running down my leg when the sorry SOB is on the news. ( I don’t expect you do either )..

          Now then lets find a comfort in reality…
          We all know he is using any crisis ( mainly that he creates ) to fool people into submission… I find that appauling at best… however it seems to be working… He is playing a game of poker…
          He has created a crisis in America due to the oil prices ( on purpose )… When it is time for his re-election he will again “SAVE” the world by dropping the price of fuel… Hence VOTES…

  • 7thID

    If Obama would open up drilling it would help with everything that is wrong. It would lower unemployment, lower energy costs, lower the deficit(through taxes, royalties, and lease payments. It would even help many of the states with the worst deficit problems.

    But sadly Obama and the liberals are clueless.

    • 45caliber

      I don’t think they can allow drilling. It would make the Chinese mad because they have already promised the oil to the Chinese if they will keep loaning us more money.

  • 45caliber

    We are the only country in the world where the government “sells” the oil fields to the oil companies sight unseen. Then they deny the oil companies who “bought” the oil fields the right to drill for the oil.

    Every other country in the world allows the oil companies to drill and then charges them a fee for each barrel pumped out of the ground. That way the government gets some money for the oil.

    Actually, I still believe that the liberal government has given the rights to the oil away to the Chinese in return for a promise to not call in the loans they have given us.

  • Raggs

    And to think… Is it even possible to have another four years of this BS..

  • tom jones

    ,

    Open sea shore, Alaska.
    + Dr. Coates. Lee . – Cough etal “West borrows to pay only int.,
    cant pay prin (unless w/ in flated currency robbing ppl of purchasing powers). U – S pub pvt debt totals $199t trillion 12 zero
    nearly twoo hundred trill, gdp $14t/yr, 13x or thirteen years of gdp”

  • Richard

    So if poor oil companies make so little in profits, why is gasoline (and diesel) in Venezuela sold at “cost plus” and it’s still about 35 CENTS per gallon? Why????
    Someone must be making a killing then.
    Gas stations are the ones who make the smaller profits, not refineries / oil companies. The crack spread price keeps rising too, not just the oil. Yes, the dollar is becoming worthless but I believe the oil gigants are raping everyone too. We are being raped by many corporations including big brother.
    Is the oil in Venezuela from a different planet? No, someone is making lots of money, right?
    I know, I know, venezuela is in the axis of eeeeevil, so we need not look at them at all and just get drunk on our media.
    Also, if everyone would drive diesels, fuel consumption would immediately drop over 20%. Now to make things worst, gasoline is watered down with ethanol which has half the energy of gasoline, for the same price!
    Ok, going back to sleep with my fellow sheep….

    • DaveH

      Baa a a. Baa a a

      Before you get all drunk with your imagined knowledge, Richard, you should read this:
      http://www.marketwatch.com/story/low-gas-prices-plague-venezuela-2011-03-16

    • 7thID

      Well lets see, the government owns the oil company, so who knows what the actual cost are. And because gas is subsudized by Hugo to keep the population happy.

      I’ll bet they are losing money on every liter that is sold there.

      Is that 35 cents a liter or gallon?

      I’ll bet its a liter or they are losing a lot of money.

    • 7thID

      “Economists estimate that it costs the government of President Hugo Chávez more than $9 billion a year.”

      Yeah, I was right.

    • 7thID

      If we tried that here with 11 times the population. At least 100 billion a year, plus with our more affluent population you could probably quadruple that to 400 billion. Were would we get the money for that program?

      Oh thats right, raise taxes on the rich and evil corporations! The liberal answer to any problem.

  • DaveH

    This should be required reading for Liberals:
    http://mises.org/daily/5277/When-Capital-Is-Nowhere-in-View

  • chuckb

    daveh, good article. having been to haiti and i have no desire to return, finding a solution for that country is going to take more than mortal man. i would suggest sterilization.

    • Patty

      Chuckb-I equate the term “Hot as Haitis” to a reflection of hell on earth.

  • Gary

    Drilling is out. Creating crude from algae is in. By-product? Omega 3.

    Spain has been doing it for years and Exxon even invested in it.
    It’s efficient and easy to set up = cost effective.

    Nobody is telling the public though. Why?
    Well, its another fine example of government/media/big oil repressing new tech in order to perpetuate the continued greed of the oil industry.

    Disgusting.

    • 7thID

      How expensive is it to produce? I’ll be it’s like all the to good to believe alternate enegry sources. Way to expensive.

      Plus what happens when the algae runs out?

    • 45caliber

      Gary:

      Let’s drill until such a time as someone has worked all the bugs out and has built a plant large enough to provide all the replacement oil that we need.

  • http://SNAKE AL

    HI FOLKS, I NEVER GET ON BLOG LOCATIONS AND EXPRESS AN OPINION. TODAY HOWEVER, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH MR. RINGERS COLUMN. HE MADE A NUMBER OF POINTS ABOUT WHAT COULD BE DONE ABOUT THE CURRENT GAS CRISIS.

    EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT OFF-SHORE DRILLING. THE TREE HUGGERS, TALK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHE’S THAT CAN OCCUR IN DOING SO. BALDERDASH!

    SO, WHY DON’T WE JUST DRILL FOR OIL (ON LAND) IN THE AREAS OF THE U.S. THAT WON’T HURT ANYONE. THE AMWAR, THE “BAKKEN”; ( I.E. WILLISTON BASIN, IN NORTH DAKOTA & MONTANA THAT EXTENDS INTO CANADA), AND THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROCKIES IN THE WESTERN STATES WHERE FEW PEOPLE LIVE (IN REALITY). I DON’T RECALL AN OCEAN IN EITHER OF THOSE AREAS. LET ME KNOW IF I’M WRONG. WE HAVE MORE OIL THAN THE WHOLE MIDDLE EAST COMBINED! WE JUST WON’T TAP IT.

    PUT PEOPLE TO WORK AGAIN IN OUR OIL RICH AREAS WHERE THEY ARE NOT BEING TAPPED. ALSO, KILL THAT DAMNED LITTLE LIZARD DOWN IN TEXAS, WHAT’S MORE IMPORTANT? A F**NG LIZARD, OR HUMAN BEINGS HAVING JOBS AND BEING ABLE TO BUY FOOD? OF COURSE, AS SUGGESTED, GET RID OF THE EPA, AS THEY WOULD CURTAIL ANY ATTEMPT AT DOING SO. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO SHELL UP IN ALASKA OFF THE COAST 75 MILES. IT COST THEM 4 BILLION DOLLARS PLUS ON INVESTMENTS MADE. RESULTS OF THE EPA.

    I’M AN OLD SNAKE, BORN IN 1944, I REMEMBER GOING TO WESTERN CANADA IN THE EARLY 50′S, WHEN GASOLINE COST 15 TO 17 CENTS A GALLON. “WE’VE COME A LONG WAY BABY?” (4 BUCKS A GALLON?)

    I’M A CONSERVATIVE BY NATURE, BUT I’M AGAINST SPENDING MONEY AND PRINTING MONEY THAT HAS NO VALUE; THAT DOESN’T EXIST, BY OUR CURRENT GOVERNMENT. PRINTING MORE DOESN’T WORK, WE’RE SEEING THAT IN THE DEVALUATION OF THE DOLLAR. (SOON, TO FOLLOW THE DEMISE OF THE “POUND STERLING” OF THE U.K.)

    I’M WHAT LIBERALS OR REPUBLICANS FOR THAT MATTER, WOULD CALL, AN “ENTITLEMENT” PERSON. YUP, PAID INTO SOCIAL SECURITY FOR 50 PLUS YEARS. I DON’T FEEL THAT TITLE SHOULD BE PLACED UPON ME. IT WAS REQUIRED; I PAID; I’M NOT ON WELFARE, I DON’T GET FOOD STAMPS! (LIKE 44 MILLION OTHER, “ENTITLEMENT PERSONS” NOW RECEIVE); I NOW SPEND THAT MONEY THAT I RECEIVE, ON RENT, GROCERIES, FUEL AND HEALTH CARE. ALL OF WHICH HAVE INFLATED CONSIDERABLY. I’M NOT BITCHING; I’M PI$$ED OFF.

    THIS ARTICLE BY MR. RINGER MADE A VERY CLEAR POINT. WE NEED TO USE THE RESOURCES WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US IN OUR OWN COUNTRY, WE ARE ENERGY RICH, BUT ONLY IF WE TAP OUR OWN RESOURCES. WHY SHOULD WE BE DEPENDENT UPON FOREIGN SOURCES FOR OIL? INCLUDING “BRAZIL”. NOTHING LIKE GIVING THEM 2 BILLION BUCKS, SO WE CAN BUY OIL FROM THEM? DIMWITS ALL!

    ANYONE WHO THINKS THE FUTURE VEHICLES WE WILL HAVE AVAILABLE WILL BE STRICTLY SOLAR POWERED OR ELECTRICALLY POWERED OR WIND POWERED, OR CHEAP! HAVE THEIR HEADS UP WHERE THE SUN DON’T SHINE. “BUY A VOLT” 40 GRAND! DISCOUNTED 75 HUNDRED BUCKS! (WHICH THE FEDS DON’T HAVE!), YAY WHOOPEE, IT RUNS ON GAS TOO BRO! OR,TRY PUTTING A 50 FOOT WIDE BLADE ON THE TOP OF YOUR CAR JUST TO SEE HOW WIND POWER WORKS. LOL

    GOD BLESS THE USA! I HOPE IT LASTS TILL THE NEXT TIME I DECIDE TO WRITE A BLOG. GOD WILLING IT WILL. I ONLY HOPE PEOPLE WILL VOTE FOR SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN IN 2012.

    ’64 NAM VET,

    THE OLD ALBUQUERQUE SNAKE

    • Average Joe

      Very well said! my only complaint is the “all caps”…it’s hard on these old eyes….. ;)

      • http://SNAKE AL

        I apologize Joe, I have a real problem seeing what I have written when I type in small letters. I have very old eyes too. Perhaps I will remember the next time. Sorry, Al

        • DaveH

          AL,
          If you are using Windows Explorer 8 or less, use your view menu + text size to enlarge your text.
          If you are using Windows Internet Explorer 9, use the tools logo + zoom to enlarge your text.

          • http://SNAKE AL

            Hi DaveH,

            I have read many of your comments on here in the past also. Incidentally, You do a fine job of expressing yourself as well.

            I use explorer 8 as explorer 9 doesn’t work worth a crap. At least on my computer it doesn’t. I appreciate your recommended solutions but I will just learn to type in small letters so I don’t offend anyone. I appreciate the input on correcting my problem; but, I think this will work just fine. Thanks again,

            Al

            The Old Albuquerque Snake

    • 45caliber

      Two problems. First is that I believe that Oblama has promised all our oil to China in return for them not calling our loans and continuing to loan us ever more money. Second, all our liberals can talk about is what MIGHT happen – never mind that there are thousands of such sites where it didn’t happen.

      • http://SNAKE AL

        Hi 45caliber,

        I have over the last few months read many of your intelligent posts. Your reply, is perhaps true, I can easily imagine Obummer doing what you say, and probably has. However, In the near future we shall see what becomes of our nations “Open Line” credit card. This needs to cease, cut up the credit card, let the Chinese collect their debt. Perhaps if they do that, both the Libbers, the Republicans, and the Rhinos will discover that Spend, Spend, Spend money they do not have, doesn’t work!

        Then, maybe, just maybe, they will quit borrowing in order to spend. An established balanced budget put in to law, and a fixed debt limit that cannot be increased. (A plus, if China is paid; our 14+ trillion dollar debt will be reduced by over a trillion dollars in one fail swoop.) Maybe that commercial; “that the USA works for us now!” will come off my damned television. lol

        That is the way it works in real life, I know, because I’ve been there and done that. Unfortunately, the Feds live in an Opaque bubble that they cannot see through. Maybe they will eventually see the light, as it were.

        As for Obummers promises to China on Oil; They are like most everything else that comes out of his mouth. “lies” plain, unadulterated, lies. He lies to us as citizens, why should he not lie to “Other, Foreign Communists”?

        Nuff said, Thank you for your comment. I will look forward to your next post, on whatever topic shall arise.

        GOD BLESS THE U.S.A.

        Al,

        The Old Albuquerque Snake

  • iam

    Everyone who voted for Ubama deserve to have their wealth stripped from them so it can be re-distributed to those of us who did not and never will vote for Ubama, but who are suffering as a result of his destructive policies.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Attention

    Maria Shriver and Arnold Schwarzenegger are calling it quits.After 25 year of marrige.4

    • JC

      Hopefully they don’t inflict themselves on anyone else. :)

  • Average Joe

    Does anyone else see what I see?

    Controlling speech: “Free speech zones”, “politically correct” speech permitted (speaking one’s mind, not so much). Alternative views? not tolerated, labled as “hate speech”, Racsism etc.

    Federal “Healthcare”, controlling your choices of health care by the “powers that be”…you will live or die at their behest.

    Federal bailouts at the “taxpayers” expense, companies survive or fold as determined by…the “powers that be”. Bad deeds get rewarded and good deeds are punished.

    High unemployment….in order get a majority of the people dependent on government handouts…which can be cut back or cut off in order to keep us “in line”.

    FEMA Camps to house those of us who will not “comply” with forced vaccinations and the other government “mandated” programs….and burial plots for those that fight back against them.

    Forced “drugging” of our children by the medical and state agencies….and incarceration of parents who refuse this mandate and removal of the children from the home to be placed in “State custody” and lost in the miriad of paperwork and beauacracy.

    Scare tactics….to impliment TSA,Homeland security and a miriad of other agencies in order to get us to give up more “rights” for imagined “security”.

    “No Fly lists” for airlines and “no buy lists” for firearms…and now as introduced by Shumer a “no ride list”…in order to limit our movements and ability to defend ourselves.

    Now we have high gas prices…..why?….because the “powers that be”, in order to more fully control us, must control our ability for free movement.

    To put it simply : Comply or die.

    • 45caliber

      Sadly, I think you are right. Too bad the liberals can’t see this since they are more likely to be the ones to lose.

    • Raggs

      Domino!

    • Tom Hankes

      Average Joe,

      Yes, I see all this and it scares the hell out of me. When the “usefull idiots” (Lenin) start becoming subject to the same state tyranny, all of a sudden they will realize what a horrendous mistake they made.

      Here’s what we can look forward to; read this American Thinker article. It’s not hard to imagine the outcome from a 100% controlled State Federal health care system. All the Demcrap voters getting all the health care they need, but if you have contributed enough to the Dems or if you’re a registered Rep. or independent, you can have care denied. Anybody who can’t see this coming is a naive moron.

      You liberals voted for a despot; soon you will reap the rewards –> if not you personally, some of your friends and/or loved ones will be victims. this is prewar Nazi Germany all over again. The only difference is the language

      http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/the_independent_payment_adviso.html

    • Cawmun Cents

      There are always the restrictions that will be put on energy use,food and medical supplies,as well as the possibility of declaring Marshall Law if the situation calls for it.Purchasing weapons is definitely a consideration,but more likely is an ourught embargo on ammunition.A gun wont work if there are no bullets to put in it.I suggest you supply yourself with ammo quickly.Once all of the food,liquids,anti-biotics,ammuniton,and fuel run out at the local establishments,they will be hard to come by cheaply.Supply and demand is a real consideration in this age.Stock up.You can always use supplies for normal daily life if you have them.But if you lack them,note that the stores dont have enough for everyone if an emergency occurs.A couple of gerry cans of gasoline will take you farther than just your tank of gas.Think about things in a worst case scenario mindset,and you will most likely be able to contend with discrepancy.Fail to do so and suffer the consequences.

    • JC

      Nicely summarized Joe.
      get ready…

  • http://com i41

    Dime to a hole under a dog’s tail, everyone of these s–t brained regressive depressive bastards, who belong to unions. All beleive this purple lipped narxist muslim is saving the planet when we never lost it. Little do these dumb pukes who have shares in the oil companies, would whine like b–ches in heat if, their shares went to nothing. Of course the jug eared one and the dumbocrap bastards have already destroyed any saving to the point there is no saving money with inflation making food and fuel go thru the roof. Every pus brained libarddumbocrap spout the envior bs, that will never be cost effective for another 50 years, if ever. Solar wastes too much land and is hard construct and is not static, wind energy has the same problems, and can not operate with out massive subsidizes that make oil subsidizes look like lemonade money. Same goes for the ethonal and bio fuels bs. Of course these are the same bastartds that see no problem with paying 50 cents of every dollar to support the dead azzed book trained worthless pukes, who are just educated welfare leechs of society, like all mnority whiners.

    • Raggs

      Yup… If idiots were usefull we would all be rich….

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner
  • http://ABORTIIONISMURDER! asmithington

    !!

  • http://ABORTIIONISMURDER! asmithington

    I SAID…ABORTION IS MURDER…WHY DONT YOU POST IT YOU (offensive words removed)

  • Al Sieber

    Most of our problems started with the Federal Reserve, who just print up money out of thin air, and not following the Constitution. both parties don’t represent the people and are corrupt and play a shell game with us. it’s our fault if we lose our country.

  • Ridge Runner

    Jerkoff leacher you are about as smart as a tumble bug rolling a ball of horse shit.Before you and a bunch idiots just like you get direar of the mouth(that is spewing shit) you need to do a little research to know what is going on.the making of oil is an on going thing as long as the earth is working and not dead.it just is not being made as fast as we are using it(about 25 years to make enough for one years use.as long as the earth is moving ,changing we are ok if it ever stops then we are dead.here is the latest technolgy break through they can now make oil from vegetation refuse there is a man that had a contract with the fed gov to furnish jet fuel for robbins air force base in georgia.I don’t know if the gov renewed the contrsct but the man said that if it wasn’t renewed he was going to move his machinery to california.That is old news they now have the technolgy to make oil(same as being drilled fof) from algae(some call it pond scum)and do it days not years. they say that an area the size of texas can furnish oil for the whole world. this algae can even be grown in the ocean.Most of the processing equip. can be used on this oil.The drilling for oil in the gulf of mexico hasn’t stoped only the drilling by the american companys has been stoped.obama and george soros is invested in an oil co that is drilling for oil in the gulf just check it out.China is going to drill for oil in the gulf why can’t the american oil co drill.I will tell you why because these liberal socialists(communists) are intent on bankrupting the america country and installing their new world order(their one world communists gov) and they would have a harder time of it if america is running full steam ahead.they have already stated that they need to get rid of at least 4,000,000,000 people that is on the planet.can’t you dumb asses understand what these people are saying and what this means.I know that in theory that a communists gov is good for the country and the people but it works only in theory because the big wigs set them selfs up as leaders(does dictators strike a chords)and if you get out of line you are dead.Like north korea if they need the food to feed them and the military then the just have to starve to death.If you think i am wrong just check it out.These liberal socialists communists gov have been tried several times and the end results have always been the same failure.There is going to have to be some sort of population exspanion control or there is going to be catastrophic results with the people.It maybe starting already how do you reckon those wooly mamouths got up in the artic reagon. That maybe the start of it japan.

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