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Don’t Pin Your Hopes On The Party Of Lincoln

April 5, 2010 by  

Don’t Pin Your Hopes On The Party Of Lincoln

Republicans love to call themselves the party of Lincoln.

Up until recently—meaning most of the last 40 years while they held the presidency or while they were the majority party, and particularly while George W. Bush was in the White House and then for the first six months of 2008—they have acted like the party of Lincoln, and that’s not a compliment. That’s because Abraham Lincoln is not a model for a party claiming to be the party of smaller, limited government.

The real Lincoln—not the politically correct Lincoln taught in schools—was not a small government guy. Neither was he a friend of the Constitution or the slave.

As the historian Bruce Catton wrote in The Civil War, in 1860 Lincoln wanted to be the nominee of the Republican Party—a party that consisted of an amalgam of former members of the defunct Whig Party, free-soilers (those who believed all new territories should be slave-free), business leaders who wanted a central government that would protect industry and ordinary folk who wanted a homestead act that would provide free farms in the West.

Catton wrote, “The Republicans nominated Lincoln partly because he was considered less of an extremist than either (Senator William H.) Seward or (Salmon P.) Chase; he was moderate on the slavery question, and agreed that the Federal government lacked power to interfere with the peculiar institution in the states. The Republican platform, however, did represent a threat to Southern interests. It embodied the political and economic program of the North—upward revision of the tariff, free farms in the West, railroad subsidies, and all the rest.”

Does that sound like a small government guy?

Writing in his book, The Constitution in Exile, Judge Andrew P. Napolitano said, “Lincoln liked to think of himself as continuing the political philosophy of Henry Clay, who had been the leader of the Whigs.

“For forty years, Clay supported the creation of an American empire through measures such as corporate welfare, (which politicians like to call ‘internal improvements’); today we call them corporate tax breaks, protectionist tariffs, and a nationwide central bank. All the things that Clay favored in essence provided for a highly centralized government. And Lincoln supported them all.”

Not only did Lincoln support Clay’s policies he served as an elector for the Whig Party in the 1840 and 1844 presidential elections, according to historian Thomas J. DiLorenzo in his book, The Real Lincoln.

He eloquently defended specific Whig economic programs like a national bank, a protectionist tariff and distribution of Federal land revenues to the states to subsidize "internal improvements," writes DiLorenzo, quoting historian Michael F.  Holt.

During the Civil War the Federal government was rapidly centralized and enlarged, taxes were imposed on most manufactured goods, tariffs were increased and an inheritance (death) tax was adopted. It was during this period that the first personal income tax was adopted in direct violation of Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution, Napolitano writes.

“The most egregious violations of civil liberties that Lincoln committed were murdering civilians, declaring martial law, suspending habeas corpus, seizing vast amounts of private property without compensation (including railroads and telegraphs), conducting a war without the consent of Congress, imprisoning nearly thirty thousand Northern citizens without trial, shutting down several newspapers, and even deporting a congressman (Clement L. Vallandigham from Ohio) because he objected to the imposition of an income tax,” according to Napolitano.

Republican congressmen tampered with the Electoral College by creating the new states of Nevada, Kansas and West Virginia in order to ensure Lincoln’s re-election in 1864. In Maryland, under Lincoln’s orders, troops arrested and imprisoned without trial a mayor, a congressman and 31 state legislators. And Lincoln claimed to have taken these actions to “preserve” the union.

“It’s hard to imagine something more tyrannical than a central government that suppresses life, speech, and political expression with such drastic measures, Napolitano writes.

The party of Lincoln, and Lincoln himself, had as its main goal growing government. Only one other president, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, did as much to destroy the U.S. Constitution as Lincoln.

During the last 40 years the party of Lincoln has done much more to grow government than reduce it. Both Presidents Richard M. Nixon and Gerald Ford expanded the Great Society programs of Lyndon Baines Johnson. In 1970 Nixon imposed wage and price controls throughout the economy, imposed a tax surcharge on all imports and removed the American dollar from the gold standard: hardly small government policies.

Nixon’s policies sparked a rise in oil prices and caused the Great Inflation of the 1970s, according to Charles R. Morris, writing in his book, The Trillion Dollar Meltdown.

Morris writes that Nixon was a Keynesian through and through, as were his supposedly conservative cabinet members.

President Ronald Reagan was a believer in limited government, and took steps to reduce its size. His tax cuts stimulated the economy, but Democrats controlled the House and he was vilified by them for his efforts to reduce domestic spending while he increased military spending. While he campaigned on balancing the budget he wasn’t able to accomplish it, and deficits soared.

President George H.W. Bush was elected to continue Reagan’s policies but despite his “Read my lips. No new taxes” pledge, Bush 41 was neither a small government guy nor a believer in Reagan’s low-tax policies or trickle down economics. He immediately joined the Democrats and raised taxes and grew government.

The second President Bush, George W. (compassionate conservative), was truly a big government socialist. He expanded the Federal reach into our children’s education with No Child Left Behind, along with Senator Edward Kennedy, expanded entitlement programs like the Medicare Drug benefit and embarked on a war strategy that helped push a teetering economy over the cliff.

More egregious than that was his USA PATRIOT Act—which among other things suspended habeas corpus—and other supposed terrorism fighting provisions that intrude on the liberty and privacy of Americans. And many Republicans claiming to be conservative went along.

“I’ve abandoned free-market principles to save the free-market system,” Bush 43 said, in classic Bushism fashion, as he pushed his Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP).

The supposed conservatives in Congress sat by and watched—if they didn’t overtly support—as Bush trashed the free market system.

Only when Americans began berating them during town hall meetings and through Tea Party rallies in 2009 did some Republicans decide they were for smaller government.

Now many Americans are looking to the Republicans to stem the Marxist redistributionist tide of the Obama, Pelosi, Reid administration as they follow through with their promise to change America.

Seriously? You’re going to pin your hopes on the Republican Party, with members already backing off their “Repeal the Bill” stance less than a month after Obamacare was passed?

Sorry, but the elites in Washington long ago crossed the Rubicon. While the Democrats are leading the charge today, the Republicans have offered no more opposition than a Civil War picket line.

You can thank the party of Lincoln, and the “Great Emancipator” himself, for getting us to where we are today.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • http://www.jolsonbaldwin.com CLIVE BALDWIN

    Please pardon the repetition, but until we get the message herein we will never understand the reason for the demise of the greatest nation ever founded; as the flawed, man-ruled……and man destroyed precurser of what the New Kingdom of God will look like.
    It takes a gratefully watchful 76 year old Yorkshire transplant bombed by the Nazis in WW2, to know that we shall lose what we had through the rank ignorance of the word of God and complete disobedience of our children.

    THE SUMMER OF LOVE

    Bars on the Windows locks on the doors that’s the fruit of the summer of love.
    Panhandlers drug Peddlers Clinton and Gore that’s the fruit of the summer of love.
    In 1967 you had aged to twenty-one the permissive generation; not controlled by anyone.
    You are our sons and daughters and you’re here to orchestrate the one-world governmental power that will have a sorry fate.
    To homogenize humanity is clearly your intent, in defiance of the lessons taught in God’s Old Testament.
    You’ve built a Tower of Babel called the worldwide Internet, and perversion is approved of by the gay and lesbian set.
    And you do not respect the past it has no relevance, you disobey your parents, their traditions make no sense.
    “Trust no one over thirty” was your destructive bawl well now you’re over fifty and there’s no trust at all.
    You children of the new age have transformed wrong to right your non-judgmental P.C. declares it’s wrong to fight.
    But fight we must against a foe Satanic as can be, who’s emptied churches, filled the jails, it’s plain for all to see.
    It is written in the Scriptures that children shall oppress, and if we tend to spare the rod, they’ll do it more, not less.
    This honest observation proves the bibles words are true, read Second Timothy Chapter three, it is describing you.

    Quote, “In the last days perilous times shall come, for men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, proud, boasters, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, false accusers, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof. For of this sort are they that creep into houses of silly women, laden with sins and led away with diverse lusts, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” End quote.

    I need to add a postscript to this rhyming expose’ you’ve had your revolution we see it more each day.
    Of course you couldn’t know it but, God is using you, you’ve proved the truth of prophecy with all the things you do.
    It’s not God’s thing to force you to recognize His power. He pleads for you to come to Him before the final hour.

    Clive Baldwin. August 9, l993.

    • Tazio2013

      Clive B,

      Why do you feel it necessary to insert your tired old crusading evangelical christian crap into an otherwise intelligent discussion on an important secular socio-politico-economic topic? Can’t you find a fundamentalist evangelical christian extremist (acronym!) web site that is more appropriate on which to display your ignorance?

      • http://naver samurai

        It’s called Freedom of Speech. I see you wrote Semper fi. If you were a Marine, you should know better than to bash someone’s beliefs and hinder their right of Free Speech.

      • Yandle

        Tazio2013;
        You just illustrated why the USA is in the condition that it is in! YOU and people with your mind-set are the problem.

        • Pat

          Yandle and Samurai, you are so right.

        • Robb

          Holy Emancipation Proclamation, Batman! You mean you can’t have your cake and eat it too?

        • JeffH

          Tazio2013 will continue to chant the words of a socialist. He is another, of many, trying desperatly to preserve his position at the government trough.

      • Dwestall

        “important secular socio-politico-economic topic?” One of the biggest downfalls of this Nation is the downfall of Religion & National pride in our nation! Kids join gangs instead of the Lord. Politicians Lie, Cheat and Steal by omission because they have lost their souls. We need the Pledge of Allegiance and prayers back into school ASAP. This Nation is still 85% Christian. It’s about time the minorities start showing us some respect. We don’t stop their way of worshiping.

        • sally

          I admire the Republicans for voting against the healthcare, and I admire Lincoln for setting slaves free,the dems haven’t done a thing lately that I admire, but they have done a couple of major things that I believe have changed this country for the worst!

          • http://Google Victoria Dwyer
          • DaveH

            Think? You mean like the people who embrace the failed promises of the nanny state? Gag me.

          • DaveH

            Even Bank Robbers think. But, I don’t want them running my life, thank you.
            Taking money from the people who legally earned it, and giving it to the people who didn’t make any effort to take care of themselves, is hardly my idea of thinking. It is more like the ideas that those Bank Robbers endorse:

            http://mises.org/daily/4125

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I agree Sally. And we cannot afford 4 more years of it. Its bad enough we have to put up with it for the next 3.

    • American Citizen

      You will not find Paradise on this side of Heaven. We do need to get back to this country being run according to the Constitution, period.

    • http://Google Victoria Dwyer

      Sounds like grampa smokin’ God’s green stuff…

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      The same old guys that cry freedom of speech will blast you for this post. I however, being one whose eyes and ears have been opened by the Lord Jesus Christ when I accepted Him as my Savior and invited Him into my life, can recognize the Truth in the words you have written here. The farther away America moves from Him, the farther we sink, until one day He will totally remove his hand from us, and we will be delivered to a smaller weaker nation. One day, He will come in judgement of all of us, you and I, believer and non believer, friend and foe, and we will all bow down and give an account of ourselves to Him. I myself welcome that day, as that will be the day that all wrongs are made right, and there will be no more wars, no more pain and suffering, no more lying and politicking. Yes, I welcome that day, but until it comes, I will follow Him, and try to do what is right, not for myself, but for others around me. Too many of us live for ourselves and for what we want, and cant see right from wrong, and like I said, the more we move away from God, that gets more blury.

  • http://eachstateretaliate.blogspot.com/ Tea Party Tim

    Go to the link and promote canidates in your area that are worthy of support.

    • JeffH

      Good, wholesome advice.

  • Flynn

    Mr Livingston is very unkind to the Republican Party as the Party of Lincoln. To be elected to power in a nation as diverse as America, the party must contain not only Rockefeller republicans, who favor big business and high tariffs, but it must also contain Goldwater republicans, who favor states rights and individual gun rights. At the same time, it must also contain good ole southern rednecks who favor just about everything in which the government is not involved, especially the absence of taxes. All of these segments of the republican party are conservative in their own way. If the party is to win, the diverse parts must find a way to get together to fight for the common good and to find a leader under whose banner they can fight. The big problem with the Republican Party today is that there is no leader who can bring together its diverse segments. There are times when some big governemt is essential in order to impliment even conservative programs and policies. Come now, Mr. Livingston, let’s be realistic. How could George W. Bush fight the War against Terrorism without some big goverment and the big government industrial complex behind it? How could Abraham Lincoln preserve the constitution without temporairly suspending parts of it. His enemies finally brought him down, but they were unable to do so until the War was won and the Union and the Constitution were preserved.

    I want a Republican Party that can win elections and that can rule and impliment conservative principles and policies. To do this, we all (Rockefeller, Goldwater, and red necked Republicans) must put our shoulders to the plow and plod forward in unison toward the common goal.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Flynn,
      You wrote: How could Abraham Lincoln preserve the constitution without temporairly suspending parts of it.

      Do you not see the irony in that statement? When Lincoln “suspended” the constitution he destroyed it. He took away the right of the states to remove themselves from a Union that they joined voluntarily. He took away the only avenue states had of opposing the overreach of the Federal government. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson understood that the states retained the right of dissolution if the federal government tried to assume powers it did not have.

      The Civil War and its aftermath resulted in almost 700,000 deaths and the ruination of the Southern economy. With Lincoln’s approval Gen. Sherman embarked on a war on civilians that resulted in the theft of $20 million from banks and private individuals and the destruction of $100 million in private property, just on his march to the sea.

      As Judge Napolitano writes: “Lincoln replaced a voluntary association of states with a strong centralized government. The president and his party eagerly lifted the floodgates to the modern thuggish style of ruling that the U.S. government now employs. Lincoln increased the power of the federal government at the expense of the rights of states and civil liberties. This opened the door to more unconstitutional acts by the government in the 1900s through today.”

      Sorry Flynn, you don’t preserve something by suspending it.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Yandle

        You are so right, before Lincoln it was: The United States ARE … after Lincoln: The United States IS…

      • Smilee

        Bob Livingston says:
        April 5, 2010 at 9:07 am

        I BELIEVE IT WAS LINCOLN WHO SAID “A NATION DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF CAN NOT STAND” AND LETS FACE IT A REPUBLICAN PARTY DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF CANNOT STAND EITHER, LOOKS TO ME BOB WANT THAT TO HAPPEN AND THE DEMOCRATS WILL THEN WIN BIG, THANKS BOB

        • JeffH

          Just fits because you are so creative.

          A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others.
          Ayn Rand

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Looks to me Bob want that to happen? Smoking spliffs now?

    • George Halepis

      Lincoln provoked secession and gave us the War of Northern Aggression. FDR provoked Pearl Harbor and gave us WW II. Bush provoked 9/11 and gave us the War on Terror. All did their part to promote the growth of the cancer of big government. War is the health of the state, which is why George Washington advised “peaceful commerce with all nations, entangling alliances with none”.

      • Norm

        Bob
        Good post. The truth is refreshing.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com Marie Stroud

        http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/stones.htm

        http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htm This just two of the site on the Georgia Guidestones.

        This statement is number one on the guidestones. “* Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature – Means the entire human race at its climax level for permanent balance with nature.

        So who is behind the “Population Control Agenda?” Think government has a finger in any of this?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        george,
        Pray tell how did Bush provoke 9/11?? He wasn’t in long enough to provoke much of anything!!!

        • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

          It would seem neither party represents US.

          “You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they (Americans) do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, and we control everything in America. In America you can criticize God, but you can’t criticize Israel…” Israeli spokeswoman, Tzipora Menache

          How can war with Iran be avoided if as Sharon said,

          “According [to] the Israeli Hebrew radio, Col Yisrael Wednesday, Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and turn the US against us. At this point, a furious Sharon reportedly turned toward Peres, saying “ . . . I want to tell you something clear, don’t worry about American pressure on Israel, we the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.”…

          Must our military take orders from a usurper acting in the guise of the president? Obama cannot legally function as the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy and of the militia of the several states; as such forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to him. Who is willing to educate our soldiers of their duty not to serve an unconstitutional president in an unconstitutional undeclared war run from Israel?

          A good leader, dem. rep. or pres. values and protects their people, and doesn’t send them into harms way unnecessarily. Who really controls our gov? The people don’t seem able to make their voices heard.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        George are you on crack? Bush provoked 9-11? Get real. Here is why it happened, just in case you want to know. They blew up the USS Cole, and Clinton did nothing. They blew up the basement of the World Trade Centers, Clinton did nothing. They drug our dead soldiers naked, beating them through the streets of Somalia. Clinton did nothing. Clinton cut our military and intelligence in halves and thirds. They came into this country, and set up shop during the last 6 to 7 years of his admin. They figured us to be soft, that we wouldnt ever retaliate, because we never did. So the pulled off 9-11, which was all planned and set up in the previous 7 years, right under Clintons nose, because he got rid of all the intelligence that would have caught these guys. And you say Bush? Gimme a break. Put your left wing liberal pacifist appeasing agenda away, and look at the truth please. Or does that scare you too much. Unbelieveable.

        • Dena

          Smilee says:
          April 6, 2010 at 12:10 pm
          The constitution is law the rest are not despite your spin on it, the other documents are good reference but are not part of the supreme law (the Constitution) or laws by congress under the constitution. You may wish it the way you describe it but you are WRONG IN YOUR CONCLUSIONS
          _____________________________________________________________________
          Smilee, you do err. The Federalist Papers, Declaration of Independence, correspondents of our founders and any other document which shows our founders’ intent, are referred to by our Supreme Court Justices and have done so since the birth of this country and rulings are made in accordance with these documents. They are part of the SUPREME LAW, and in fact, a more detailed package. Without them, the constitution would be too vague. I not only wish this to be so but KNOW it to be the truth. Please educate yourself. Maybe it is you who do not wish the people to act on its written prescription of abolishing this criminal form of Govt./dictatorship, but you are in the minority who would not want to restore order back into our Government and put Checks and Balances back where they belong.

  • Merl Elton

    Everyone, read the article by Dick Morris on Responding to Obamacare; it is one of his best. Morris is not always right; however, he does give some valueable information.

  • FlaJim

    Excellent analysis, Mr Livingston. It wasn’t until the 30′s and the abuses that FDR and the Democrats that the first few conservative voices in the GOP could be heard – faintly. The only two nationally recognized politicians in the past century who were true conservatives were Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. The rest were all the ‘go along, get along’ types.

    What led to the success of the conservatism of Goldwater and Reagan in the political arena is that the conservative message resonates with the average American and produces positive results in real life. None of the “we’re trying to do the best thing” but “this is the best thing and look how well it works.” It’s absolute nonsense to try to appeal to so called moderates by offering both lower taxes and handouts. Those people are sheep and will follow the herd.

    Our two party system is still the only one that makes sense and all that is required is a single minded effort to defeat every politico with a ‘D’ after his name and rid ourselves of the RINOs whose only interest is life long feeding at the public trough. Refusal to donate to the RNC while it supports and promotes people like McCain, Bob Bennett of UT, and Charlie Crist of FL are also effective. Contribute to your candidate of choice.

  • H. Richard Penn

    Mr. Livingston, tear down the Lincoln Memorial.

  • tim J

    Sue, term limitation for all congressmen and senators is the surest solution, also remember Lincoln was a hyprocate he had slaves working working for him, he just promised the northern slaved to join the union to fight in return for freedom, after the war. Don’t misunderstand me, I’m glad that slavery was abolished, but that wasn’t his true intent.

  • Merl Elton

    Republicans need to get back to the principles of Ronald Regan and Bill Clinton on deficit reduction. Interestingly, Clinton was not mentioned; and I don’t know why, because Clinton got the US out of the red and into the black fiscally; so Clinton did something right and held some conservative principles by creating a budget surplus; that W eventually destroyed through wrong-headed actions. The problem is everyone thinks it is cool to disregard the wisdom of the ages; and they hold no strong opinions, values, or character; partly because selling out is so renumerative and empowering. We need people who cannot be moved by money and dubious promises; and who despite any pressures will hold firm to conservative fiscal values that will get the US out of debt; and restore economic health and jobs through fair trade practices that benefit the US moreso than other nations. The US is bankrupt and struggling while nations like India, China, Brazil thrive due to misguided progressive/socialist policies of Republicans and Democrats.

    • Pat R

      Merl:

      The only reason that Clinton’s term was less critical was the Tobacco Settlements. That’s where the $$$ came from that saved his “arse”!
      He just got LUCKY!!!!!!!!!!

    • Meteorlady

      Once again if you say it enough it must be true. Clinton DID NOT leave Bush with a surplus. He left Bush with a $17.9 billion deficit. Clinton’s budget for the following year – when Bush took office – left a deficit of $133.29 billion budget deficit. Bush had no control over that so it is attributed to Clinton.

      Here’s a link: http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      You need to look into the truths about the finanacial situation about Bill Clinton there buddy. Smoke and mirrors, and dont forget to figure in the billions from cutting the military and intelligence communities in half, leaving us vulnerable for a 9-11 to be set in inside our borders, as that is what happened. And the billions in tobacco settlements. And the billions NAFTA back doored him. He didnt balance squat. He made the banks collapse what with his funding from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae funds, that is a fact also. No, Bill Clinton didnt balance squat. He fudged and smoke and mirrored things to give the appearance of properity, but we are still paying today for his misdeeds and will for a long time. And the unions still vote for these guys, after they shipped thousands of their jobs to mexico. Figure that one out.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Marie Stroud

    Check out any information you can on this. IF TRUE, we should rally against this madness. Pray for guidance and protection.

    RED-ALERT!: BOTH HOUSE AND SENATE HEALTH BILLS REQUIRE THE MICRO CHIPPING OF AMERICANS! Please post any info you find.

    • http://Google Victoria Dwyer

      LIAR! Get your facts straight before you go spewing your BS. Factcheck.org is free.

  • http://yahoo skeeter

    Well , Well, no matter who we vote for both parties seem to be twins. They are in there because we put them in there.Because they speak well enough to deciet us all.We support thier lavish appetites, they will not go down empty handed.So what do you purppose Mr.Livensten,We began a civil war to take back our country?I am sorry i been listening to all these ojectives but no answers.We be dang if we do and dang if we don’t.People like you write all this stuff but have no answers,give us answers not stories.PLEASE

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Marie Stroud

      Each president pretty much takes up where the last left off. They have secret bosses.

      http://www.rense.com/general81/abig.htm this site states “Confirmed – Obama Is
      Zbigniew Brzezinski Puppet

      • Rob Alexander

        If the Republican party ever wants to stage a really dominant comeback (and it CAN do this in a landslide takeover), it is going to make TWO major changes. One, it is going to have to stop being the party of phony fiscal conservatives who grow the government just as fast as Democrats do…. This we apparently all understand.

        The second, however, seems to be understood by only a few within the party’s base, and this is the party *HAS TO* **DROP** trying run people’s personal lives, Bible thumping, etc that mainstream America keys into to call the party “out of touch” with the average American. We need to focus on the REAL issues, those being primarily economic ones, and within that, primarily getting the government OUT of the economy – and back off on the social uptightness. If most of you got out and talked to the average voters rather than other like-minded conservatives (you know, the people who make political statements so stupid and one dimensional that you want to gouge your own eyes out listening to them – THEY are the average voter), you might be surprised to find that the majority of everyday people perceive the Democrats as the freedom party and the Republicans as religious zealots trying to force everyone else to live their devout religious lifestyle – accurate or not. We desperately need to lose that perception.

        Most of the American population hates socialism and tyranny and actually does get the whole freedom and personal responsibility issue. However, the average voter’s fear of Republican social nannyism has them ready to accept the Democrats socialism to keep their personal freedoms (not that I’m saying the Democrats will actually give them freedom, but it’s what they and the state controlled media sell, and people largely believe it). John and Jane Q. Public really don’t want government telling them what they can and can’t do in the bedroom nor with whom, nor do they want government telling them what they can put in their bodies. Establishing within the party that ownership of people’s own bodies is 100% compatible with conservatism, and that people’s use of their bodies is likewise 100% their own decision would be a very good place to start remaking the party.

        Right now we are enjoying the backlash of the Democrats arrogance and blatant disregard for the American people with their shady tactics passing the health care takeover. Rest assured, people’s memories are short and this will not last long and they will be back into their old roughly 50/50 split between voting for personal freedoms (perceived Democrat advantage) and economic freedoms (perceived Republican advantage), with the tie-breaking votes based on whichever side has pissed off the electorate the most in the immediate past and how the economy is doing at that exact moment in time… However I predict that if the Republicans become the party of economic AND personal freedom, it can retake the country.

        • JeffH

          Evil requires the sanction of the victim.
          Ayn Rand

        • Yandle

          Rob Alexander,
          Thankfully we have a right to vote in this country, sorrowfully so many are as wrong as you and vote therefore, the USA is in this condition.

          • DaveH

            Rob made a very good comment and all you can do, Yandle, is tell him he is wrong?
            The only thing Rob is wrong about is thinking that the Republicans can ever butt out of peoples’ personal choices. They’re just not wired for minding their own business.

          • Yandle

            DaveH,
            I do not need to repeat his whole comment because I give him credit that he knows what he said! When you leave out GOD, YOU do not make a good comment. “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God”.( Ps 9:17) This great nation exist because of God fearing people and now that the God fearing people are about gone this nation is about gone. Your unbelief does not make GOD nonexistent.

          • DaveH

            And your belief does not make him exist.
            You are giving your God a bad name. I doubt he would approve.
            This country was founded on Freedom of Religion and as a result prospered. You are certainly not representative of that Freedom.

          • Yandle

            DaveH,
            You are right my “belief does not make him exist”. GOD EXISTS therefore I believe, thanks be to Him. I do not believe standing for God’s Truth gives Him a bad name since that is following Him teaching. This country prospered because God blessed it. Produce any comment of mine where I even suggested denying anyone their freedom as giving in the U.S. Constitution. Here you are with your false attacks again.

      • stephen russell

        Tea Party time I say.
        Dems & Reps= same Old DC Estd Party The DC PARTY.

      • http://Google Victoria Dwyer
  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    My conclusion is that Lincoln was the first progressive president, if we consider that he added to Federal power and took away both State and Individual rights while President. PS: I’m not talking about slavery because that was wrong from the start and used as a “cover” by both parties to gain more power for federal government over state governments!

    • Larry Sigurdson

      Slavery was at the heart of the founding of the Republican Party and the core issue of the Civil War. The Republican Party, first under General Frémont and then under Lincoln, championed civil rights and continued to do so for the next 30 years. It was the Republican Party that passed the 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th Amendments to guarantee that all me are treated equally in the United States, and to assure the right to vote in free and fair elections. It was the Democrat Party that worked at every turn to suppress our fellow men. At one point the KKK was a powerful branch of the Democratic Party and intimidated blacks, whites, priests, preachers, rabbi’s, honest county clerks, fair minded sheriffs and anyone who dared to oppose their politics. The stories about the KKK and the hangman’s noose just outside town, sadly, are true indeed.
      Republicans today, despite their wandering in the Sinai, are still the party of civil rights, Christian values and conservative politics. The requires sticking to those time proven values.

      • VN Vet

        That’s right Larry, and historically Blacks were republicans, but when the democraps created the welfare plantation, Blacks deserted the republican party for the carrot being dangled in their face.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Wow. I noticed I dont see the left wing liberals trying to dispute the truth on your post. That is truly amazing. Thank you for your truthful statements.

  • Theophilus

    The issue of secession rages still. Did the founding fathers purposefully omit the language written in Article XIII of the Articles of Confederation because they assumed the union to be indisoluable, and the concept axiomatic, or did they exclude it because they considered secession a viable option?

    “Article XIII. Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.”

    One thing is certain, the prerogatives of the individual states were meant to be jelously guarded.

    Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.

    Restoring the limits and boundaries of government could only be achieved by a massive alteration in world-views in many of our institutions such as education and in the media.
    The internationalists, socialists, and dialectic materialists have gained control over those institutions that frame the public debate and define the terms and concepts that are used in the analysis. The irony is that those of us who oppose them actually feed them. By paying for cable T.V. we subsidize and fund the very forces that would enslave us. By attending the movies and buying the DVD’s we provide the financial ammunition that is later used to attack us. By sheer neglect we fail to protect ourselves and acquisiese to the propaganda machine of the left. Money drives the left, money that we paid them when we buy their products, watch their advertisements and shows, or in a host of other ways. NBC, ABC, and CNN are all feeling the pinch of reduced revenue as Fox News grabs more and more market share. Hit ‘em where they will hurt the most, their pocketbooks.

    • JeffH

      I realize that this is completely off track of the subject, but Michele Obama either told a lie or a truth in this video about Barack Obama’s home country.
      Watch this and decide for yourself and as you cans see, that portion of her speech isn’t edited to make it semm as if she said it. I might add, she uses the same uhhh, uhh as her husband between sentances.

      http://patriotupdate.com/stories/read/3261/Video-Michelle-Obama-Baracks-Home-Country-Is-Kenya

      • Smilee

        MANY PEOPLE OF ALL NATIONALITY’S REFER TO THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN AS THEIR HOME COUNTRY AND THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE SHE MEANT, HELL OF A SPEECH BUT I SUPPOSE PEOPLE WHO ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR OWN KIND WOULD RESENT WHAT SHE SAID

        • JeffH

          Well, what is all this confuion and hoopla about Barry being born in Hawaii if his country of origin is Kenya? However, if true, it could mean that Obama is not a natural born American citizen and is therefore ineligible for election to the Presidency.

          Noun 1. country of origin – the country where you were born

          • Smilee

            wrong stupid, country of origin is the origin of your roots, my country of origins immigrated here in 1867, I was born in ND in 1941, according to your spin I would have been born in my country of origin and I was born in the US the same as Obama but his country of origin on his dad’s side is Kenya, CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS, YOUR SPIN IS BS AND UNLESS YOU ARE COMPLETELY IGNORANT YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER

          • JeffH

            Smilee, you were born in ND, but the USA is not your country of origin? Hmmm! Your families heritage may have started in another country, so that means they were born in another country which would have been THEIR country of origin, not yours.
            As much as you would like it to be, it ain’t! Get used to it and keep on Smilin’ Smilee.
            God I love the smell of napalm in the morning, it smells like…….VICTORY.

          • JeffH

            You’re suffering from a bad case of mass confusion…HAH!

          • Smilee

            Jeffie, you obviously are a totally illiterate in genealogy or you would know better, actually you are pretty much an illiterate period.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I have to disagree. My ancestors were born in German. I was born in the United States of America. I am not German. I am American. My ancestors fled Germany and have everything taken from them, their castle, their bank accounts, everything. I owe those people nothing, they owe me no apolology. Those people that did this are all dead. My ancestors that suffered this are all dead. I am American, not German. I dont understand this train of thought, that says I should call myself a German American, as their is no such a status. Yet their is African American, to which over 95 percent have never been to Africa. I have, but Im not African American. Im not German American, or Irish American. No sir, I am an American. As a true American, I dont need a second name to demean my country.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          My own kind is American. How about you?

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        JeffH, WoW!__The Truth__as per an Oops!

  • Brian Wheatley

    Some say the Democrats and Republicans made America great.

    They actually helped make America what it is today!
    And it isn’t what the fathers of America envisaged.

  • sally

    Mr.livingston I was going to order your book but I’ve changed my mind.

  • VN Vet

    Ya sound like a wingnut Libertarian.

    • DaveH

      And you sound like a Bully Republican.

  • http://www.rudylogos.com R. T. Tidwell

    TO BOB LIVINGSTON:
    If you are saying that the Republican party has evolved a good bit from the days of Lincoln, I would agree. Republicans’ emphasis on clinging to the Constitution is what is at stake. The Republican party has gained strength through the decades as a result of emphais on adhering to the Constitution. It is good that we are not totally, or even mostly, like the Republicans of the mid-nineteenth century who were not as strong on a limited government and less taxes as Republicans of today simply shows that the party has improved over these years. I wonder if you are pitching for an independent, or some other party, as being the best, I think you are far off. Perhaps the Tea Party (which is NOT a political party)could be the best thing to happen to the conservatives in America in a ling time.

  • http://Google Victoria Dwyer

    Hey Joe H. I pinkie swear I’m conservative but come on… did you really read his post? The substance itself was half-brained.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Victoria D,
      I don’t care about that. If he will vote conservative, I don’t care if he can just read the names!!

      • http://Google Victoria Dwyer

        good one joe

      • http://Google Victoria Dwyer

        Hey Joe, please read this guy’s letter. I think you’ll find it interesting. I lost the link but google American Dad TPM

  • Johnny

    Of course if Mr. Livingston had his way we would still be in colonial times. When you have a country of over 300 million people it’s hard to have small government. When the majority of those people start to look towards the government for solutions what are they to do? If you are not happy with the government Mr. Livingston why don’t you get yourself elected and go to washington and try to change it? What should Lincoln have done? Let the country split in two? What world history would be different if our country was only have the size?

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Johnny,
      Yes, he should have let the country split in two, or three or four, just as the Founders intended. Yes, history would have been different–and it’s impossible to know just how. And it may have been that after the two nations were apart for a while the benefits of reuniting would have outweighed the benefits of being apart. But “preserving the union” was not worth almost 700,000 lives. As to your question: When the majority of those people start to look towards the government for solutions what are they to do? I’m not sure exactly what context you mean, but my thoughts are we have far too many looking to the government for solutions and they end up sucking off the public teat. Washington, Madison, Jefferson, Franklin, etc. would not be happy with what we’ve done with what they gave us.
      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Johnny

        So what is the role of Govenment? How far should Government go?

        • Smilee

          It is defined in the Constitution, Bob also seems to forget it was the seceded states that fired the first shot, I guess he figures Lincoln should have ducked and surrendered, and what do you think the confederates would have made of this country had they won, my guess we would no longer have our constitution, the fact that Bob wants to act like we no longer have the original constitution but we in fact still do, thanks to Lincoln as that was his primary goal and he succeeded, but at a high cost, now if the south had surrendered as they eventually had too many who died would have lived, the fight had two sides, the fact that he is a confederate sympathizer means in his own mind he still has not surrendered but the reality is that war is over and the constitution is still in tack and the rule of law still prevails. These people are still living in the 18th century and those who live in the past are unable to function in the present, that is their problem.

          • Johnny

            It’s a shame that after 146 years there are still some people that are still sore over loosing the Civil War. They don’t realize that because of the sacrifice those people gave back then is part of what made us a great and powerful nation. I seem to remember a couple of years ago Hugo Chávez saying that America is at the end and will fall shortly. The scary thing is that he might actually be right. But America is going to destroy it’s self. And it seems as though people like Mr. Livingston, Rush Limbaugh, and Glen Beck are helping to destroy our country. It seems they are trying to get people fired up enough to start another civil war. They blame everyone, but have no solutions for anything. They just try to make people mad and in this day have the opportunity reach millions of people.
            If they really wanted to help they would tell you that the American people can have a very strong voice at the ballot box. It’s how our system was set up to show displeasure with elected officials. US Congeress has a term of just 2 years. This year every seat is up for re-election. The best way to show these people we’re mad is to vote them out. Campaign against them. What it would say if every sitting Congress person was voted out in Nov. and in 2011 we had 435 completely new people there? That would be a strong signal. Then do it again in 2 years and again and again. They will soon realize that it’s people that get them there and not lobbiest and big business. This is what the commentators should be saying. But they are not. All they say is how bad it is and you should be mad. But that will never happen. People like John Boner, Eric Cantor and Mitch McConnel will be voted back in simply because they are Republican and people think the solution is to change the party. Both parties are corrupt and it’s the people that need to be changed, not the party. But Bob probably won’t tell you that. He would rather blame Lincoln for the troubles we have today.

          • http://verizon LaRebelle

            Neither the Republican nor Democratic Party represents the true interests of the American peeple. A third, Independent Party is needed, perhaps more. We are citizens of a capitalistic-based Republic. Why shouldn’t we have choses in political parties, also? I would vote for Congressman Ron Paul in a minute. He’s the only politician who seems to know what in the world has happened to the U.S. and how we can salvage it from here.

          • http://www.azconstitutionparty.com Eileen H

            Thanks, Bob, for the excellent article. The only encouraging thing, to me, about the “Party of Lincoln,” is that it was the underdog, the third party, when Lincoln ran for president. It is time for a true alternative for voters.

            We in Arizona are working to establish the Constitution Party here. Please check our website http://www.AZConstitutionParty.com.

      • Johnny

        Bob,
        I was just wondering, Are you the same Bob Livingston that served in the US Congress from 1977 – 1999?

        • libertytrain

          He’s stated a few times, in answering a few others who asked the question, that no, he is not.

      • angel-wanna-be

        BoB Livingston, Looking Government for solutions for everything, is like giving a well man a crutch, telling him he must use it, in time he’ll come to believe he needs it.

        • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

          Even Republicans DON’T LIKE Ron Paul.
          You wanna know why ? BECAUSE THEY’RE MOSTLY GLOBALIST BANKER PUPPETS TOO !! And after the passing of the “banker profit/bonus handout” bill in ’09, followed not to far by the “banker owned hospital/insurance co. Handout” bill, AKA “Obama Care”, PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP TO THE FACT THAT THE BANKERS ARE WHERE THE PROBLEM LIES AND THEIR “ACCOMPLICES” ARE BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT!! Oh of course the Republican’s ALL voted against ObamaCare but that was the “show factor” so you’ll put them in power in November !! THEN YOU’LL SEE THAT THEY WILL NOT REPEAL IT AT ALL ONCE IN POWER !! Nor will they do anything about the endless wars in the middle east we cannot afford both monetarily (those OVERCHARGES from “contractors” ARE THE BANKERS !!) and with daily loss of American lives with no ACTUAL GOAL IN SIGHT !!

          And Ron Paul is NONE OF THE ABOVE !! And people are starting to see that !! That’s why his straw poll numbers are high and that’s why Republicans are encouraging people TO NOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE IN THEIR OWN PARTY !! BECAUSE HE’S NOT A “banker

    • DaveH

      Johnny,
      Then you might explain to me how Hong Kong with one of the densest populations on this earth can get along with government spending of only 15% of GDP, while the US spends 37% of GDP on Government:
      http://www.heritage.org/index/country/HongKong

      • Johnny

        We have a good system with Social Security, Medicare, Welfare ect. However it’s not perfect. It all needs to be revised, but not done away with. The programs were designed to help those in need, but has become a way of life for many people who want and expect a free ride. They are under achievers and are satisfied with just getting by. New regulations need to be put in place. Like you can’t receive Welfare until you have worked for 5 years and you can only collect it for five years. We”l give you health insurance if you can’t afford private insurance, but you have to pay 1% of your income. Income would include Welfare and Social Security money. Don’t encourage people to quit a job so they can receive welfare but instead give them a suppliment for a few years until they can get back on their feet. Why is it that someone works for 6 months making $9 an hour gets a tax refund of $7,000?
        Our system which was ment to help has become a way of life. Generation after generation has been living on public money. I’m sure it wasn’t intended to be that way. Those that are on it now there is really no hope for, but if we pass a law today to change it we could get out of the rut. But no one in Congress has the guts to propose anything so extreme. They would rather just throw money at the problem. We have to vote out ALL of those that are there now. Not just some, ALL. We need people that will do what the majority of Americans want, not what they think will get them re-elected. Now the people are congress are there only to give out gifts. Whether it’s to the poor, or to the rich and big business. The middle class gets stuck paying the bill. The middle class needs to speak up, but not violently like some have been doing.

  • Enlightened one

    Today’s Republican party is more like the Party of ” Larry , Moe and Curley”…..

  • Tom

    Yep…Its what I’ve been saying.
    The GOP are like chameleons, they are for whichever way the wind is blowing.

    People get too hung up on the GOP’s platform of low taxes, smaller government.

    Again, judge a man not by his words, but by his actions. The GOP’s actions show, dispite what their campaign time platform calls for, that they are in fact in favor of expanded government, overspending, {Borrow, and spend} and limited rights of the individual.

    I see these clowns on some cable news show, trying to determine who will be the GOP’s best frontrunner for 2012. They kept mentioning Jeb Bush.

    Who in their right mind, would want that guy in the White House? Every Bush presides over a depressed economy, blown budgets, and new wars. I don’t think America can withstand another Bush presidency. Thats if we survive the Obama Administration.

    Forget Jeb Bush.

    Look outside the GOP, as the GOP has shown us all, they are not worthy of your vote.
    Some say support of third party candidates divides the conservative vote, the Ross Perot factor, and will enable the Democrats to win.

    Well we lose either way, so supporting third party people at least gives America a chance, and if nothing else, slaps down the GOP, and might just get them to reform. Supporting the GOP only sends them a message that their abuses will be tolerated.

    If we want to reform Washington, look outside the 2 major parties.

    Dump Dodd!

    Tom

  • Don Tremaine

    I would like to know why so many people are constantly putting down Sarah Palin. She sounds like a Reaganite to me, and I believe he was one of the greatest presidents in our history.
    Don

  • Tom

    LOL! So right you are!

  • Nancy Booth

    Dear Mr. Livingston,

    How can we return to small government? Given the history of Lincoln and the Republicans, where and how can those that want smaller government make a difference. I have attended a coupled of Tea Party rallies and find the people at those rallies were like myself….non-activist….til now….not racists like it has been reported. They are thoughtful, voters and very very concerned about where the United States of America is headed.

  • Jim H.

    E.O., Whats your solution then? Barak MOEbama, LARRY Ried, and Nancy CURLYlosi?

  • John

    You hit the nail on the head Bob! Obama said back during the ’08 campaign that Lincoln was one of his mentors. A third party is not the answer though, true conservatives need to take over the Republican party and use the already existing machinery to oust ALL that do not adhere to the Constitution! The people are the means! Upon doing so, among the first things that need to be done is to distance ourselves from Lincoln – right after we finish ousting RINO’s and Liberal/Socialist Democrats!

  • Sue Overton

    Let’s have “term limits” for Congressmen and Senators and then government will be “for the people” and not for those governing.

  • Harold Olsen

    Stop insulting Larry, Moe and Curly! The Republicans aren’t even THAT intelligent!

  • David Long

    I want the old Republican party back. Today’s Republicans would not welcome Goldwater or Reagan into the party. Are you kidding me?

    Interesting, the party of debt, great recession, illegal war, illegal wiretapping, the rich, strip clubs, sex-scandal, “religion and family values”, blowhards like Limbaugh, Beck, Hanity, and Rove, and “hell no you can’t” wants my vote? Good luck.

  • JeffH

    Enlightened one, seldom if ever do I agree, but you’re pretty close on his one.
    Now I’ll add to this by saying the current administration could be the Marx brothers, Karl Obama, Harpo Biden, Graucho Pelosi, Zeppo Reid and Chico Rahmbo Deadfish…

  • Meteorlady

    OMG – Eyes changed the her name…..

  • JC

    A little off topic, but here’s a link to Michelle Obama saying that Barack was visiting his homeland…Kenya.

    http://patriotupdate.com/stories/read/3261/Video-Michelle-Obama-Baracks-Home-Country-Is-Kenya

  • Joe H.

    E.O.
    Be that as it may, the dems of today are more like the keystone cops. Running around like ants except in that they accomplish nothing good!!

  • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

    It would seem both parties of our government had to collateralize our debt somehow, and they hit upon the plan of quietly setting aside huge tracts of American land with their mineral rights in reserve to cover the outstanding debts. But the government couldn’t very well admit that they were apportioning off chunks of the United States to the holders of foreign debt. So, they invented the Environmental Protection Agency and passed draconian environmental laws which served to grab land with vast natural resources away from the owners and lock it away, and even more, prove to the holders of the foreign debt that US citizens were not drilling. mining, or otherwise developing those resources. From that day to this, as the government sinks deeper into debt, the government grabs more and more of OUR land, declares it a wilderness or “roadless area” or “heritage river” or “wetlands” or any one of over a dozen other such obfuscated labels, but in the end the result is the same. We The People may not use the land, in many cases are not even allowed to enter the land.
    This is not about conservation, it is about collateral. OUR land is being stolen by the government and used to secure loans with China to fight wars the government really had no business starting in the first place. Given that the government cannot get out of debt, and is collateralizing more and more land to avoid foreclosure, the day is not long off when “We The People” of the United States will one day wake up and discover WE are no longer citizens, but tenants.
    In short, the United States is in deep trouble. We have lost a huge amount of our manufacturing capacity, and those products we still make do not compete well on the world market, despite the steady devaluation of the dollar. In short we have vast debts to pay and little to pay them with. Like the foolish farmer we have sold the machinery that allowed us to prosper, and we stand around shaking our investment portfolios back and forth in the hopes that the money inside will somehow grow all by itself. It won’t. It never has. It would seem “WE” can’t trust the government to look out for “our” best interests

  • Victoria DeLacy

    While there is no doubt that costly mistakes have been made by RINOS in the past, the fact remains that we operate as a nation under a two-party system. While the lack of responsibility in some areas where fiscal restraint was called for and was not pursued under a few recent Republicans, there continue to be glaring differences between the parties. As soon as you shift to the social issues you find the DNC being the party of death (whether that’s about abortion or euthanasia or abomination “unions” posing as marriage)in sharp contrast to the Republican party being the party of life as well as of a strong national defense (something else whereby the Democrats fall flat to say the least!) – Republican governance, then, is still our greatest hope of restoring America to her foundations today and I can hardly wait to see the imminent shift to that rightward direction swiftly approaching this coming November election day. Lincoln did free the slaves if nothing else and to that extent he was indeed admirable. You failed to point out that we are known as the party of Lincoln AND REAGAN – Reagan was by far THE greatest President of our time (recall “Mr. Gorbachev. TAKE DOWN THAT WALL!)despite the failure during that administration in having begun the problem created by amnesty at that time. With a few tweaks here and there, another strong Reaganite Republican could help this nation back onto a much stronger path for our collective future – maythe shift back to the right begin this coming November as the electorate heads out in droves to vote Republican yet again!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    My basic complaint about them is that they failed to reign in spending as I expected them to do. There was much talk about balancing the budget and stopping the rediculous spending which escalated beyond control in the Clinton administration, and they didnt do it. However, having said that, and calling a spade a spade, giving credit where credit is due and pointing out inadequancies when they are there, I see it worse now under this present administration than ever. Having attacked the GOP for their spending programs, and then come in and in 8 months spend more than the Bush admin did in 8 years, kind of paints the picture of “we will do whatever we want”. Couple that with them ignoring what the majority of people wanted and back room dealing to ram this health care debacle down our throats, it is a much worse situation today. Im starting to think that DaveH has it correct in his pushing of the Libertarian Party, as something has to be done, as this same old same old isnt working for nobody but the politicians. And this left wing liberal stuff is just killing this country, making us laughing stocks to the world, and selling our childrens children’s future.

  • M French

    The far right radicals in the Republican Party are trying to rid the party of moderates. They do not realize, that the majority of Republican moderates will vote against far right candidates, which has been displayed in recent elections. The rest of the country will also oppose them. Therefore, the result will be a victory for the dangerous Democratic radicals. If they intend to take over the Republican Party for good, they had better accept their responsibility for the Democrats remaining the Majority Party. It’s time the far right form their own party and let the Republican Party mend itself and gain it’s respect back. Bluntly, I tell the far right crazies to GET OUT and stop trying to take over the Tea Party group also. What’s wrong? Are they afraid to start their own party for fear of lacking enough support? Go for it and stop relying on established political parties for your image. You are failures.

  • Larry Sigurdson

    The Republican Party has its warts and I believe Mr. Livingston did an excellent job of pointing them out. Although I’m surprised he left the other big government GOP President, Teddy Roosevelt. On the other hand there are also other conservative Republican Presidents that served with honor and distinction, either shrinking or at least not growing government: William McKinley comes to mind, as does Calvin Cooledge and Dwight D. Eisenhower. History is what you make of it. You cite examples for whatever you want to prove, because the reality is there to support it.
    If Mr. Livingston believes a new third party is going to elect a President, he has taken too much Ambien. We’ve been down the third party route and Ross Perot gave us Bill Clinton.
    No, the Republican Party is the best vehicle to elect conservatives to Congress and the White House. Our job as citizens is to make sure good conservatives receive the party nomination. Politics is not a spectator sport. Politics demands involvement and hard work. We get the government we deserve. Good government comes from the involvement of thousands of good people in the election process.

  • Tazio2013

    Another outstanding, truth-teller article by BL. Unless a “black swan” miracle occurs, the one-thousandth of one percent who are currently in command and control of the 99% plus rest of US will remain so until 01/20/17 when gold will be valued at more than $5,000 per ounce and the amero will be worth a peso. Remember; 90 % of US are sheeple and it will take the full 7 years for the few enlightened, pragmatic, rational, secular Jeffersonian Libertarians to neutralize the toxic effects of the many ignorant, dogmatic, irrational, judaeo-christian Republikrats. The good news is that the time from Now until 01/20/17 will be the single most exciting, dynamic and entrepreneural period in American history. Semper Fi!

  • Peter

    Party of Lincoln. That’s a joke. The Republicans are a joke! So are the Democrats! One thing a person who knows anything about history knows is that Lincoln was literate. So were most of the other politicians of the day. What we have today in Washington are the largest collection of semi literate, completely ignorant half wits ever assembled on the face of the planet.
    Our political system is completely and irretrievably corrupt.

  • home boy

    what is it going to take for you people to realize man is not the answer. two reasons why 1, man is not perfect 2, satan is in control of this system. so you will win some battles but you will loose the war.

  • Laura

    Ours is a two party system. I believe that to create a third party, a conservative party, would ensure the defeat of conservatism at the ballot boxes in November. Having said that, I believe we must work within the Republican Party and take it over, reform it, into a party that truly reflects the values we conservatives embrace: small government, personal liberty within the confines of the Constitution, minimal taxation, and pro-life.

    The only way to get that done is to be engaged in the political process. Vet the candidates. Know their track records. Check out their character. And, if all that appears to support your values, then listen to their rhetoric. I believe that stopping with the high and mighty speeches is what has gotten us where we are today. We can’t afford to be lazy any longer. If we decide it’s too big a pain in the butt, that decision is to our national peril.

    I have decided to support candidates that I find worthy. I will not send money to the RNC. And, if a candidate appears to be truly conservative by virtue of his/her track record, voting record, and character AND has an “I” or a “D” after his/her name, I’ll look at them very carefully. If they’re more conservative than the guy/gal with the “R” after their name, I’ll support the most conservative candidate. That’s how one holds their feet to the fire!

  • Richard Pawley

    Wasn’t it Larry Sumner who said years ago, “barring a comet hitting the earth or an invasion by aliens, ‘it’ will happen…”? IT menaing the collapse of the dollar down the road a bit. Nothing is inevitable but if you stick your hand in fire it does not take a prophet to predict pain and suffering from the burn. Likewise continuing to spend money we can’t even borrow will result in the pain and suffering of several hundred percent inflation down the road a bit. This, I believe is already set in motion by all the spending of congress who have planned a Value Added Tax (copying the Europeans) for some time now. (We spend $215 million for every $100 million in taxes so taxes must be raised on every one and the most hidden tax of all has been inflation but it will not remain hidden much longer). CHANGE? Yes, it’s possible, but only if we can elect someone a president and congress untainted by the District of Corruption. We need new blood or non-politicians, and only if we replace every person who voted for the Marxist takeover of our medical system and that includes those who did not vote at all (unless they were in a hospital) will we have even a chance. Russian Think Tanks beleive that the USA will break up into five countries after congress finally destroys the dollar. I hope not but Americans need to vote in November like it’s the most important election of their lifetime because it could well be. The Tea Party looks better all the time.

  • Aetherius

    This sounds like an OVERLY biased liberal article. For sure EVERY president has their ‘conspiracies’ and ‘scandels’ but this arctile for some reason chose only to dig up this stuff on the GOP when were in a time now more dire than EVER. sure talk about Lincoln’s, the Bushs’ or anyone elses socialist agendas, but it is odd this has no mention of Obama. The biggest socialist joke in the histoy of our nation. FDR, a socialist liberal, was only briefly mentioned in this, and i dont know why, this guy who wrote this should have found some way to glorify him, AND Obama for that matter, it is obvious this guy really likes them. THEY are the real socialists. So BOTH major parties are corrupt and socialist beyond repair, what have we become in this country? and correct me if im wrong but why does no one ever mention the democrats have been in control of this country since the ’06 elections, WELL before the major declines, so I blame them, since this is a blame game.

  • Rosemary

    What’s that all about? No matter what has happened with the Democrats, it is not Satan who is in control, but those who would arrogate power to their own ends. We need to take control of our school system to teach real history to our children, educate ourselves as to the benefits of free markets, and restore an opportunity society so that people will look at government solutions with the suspicion they deserve. After all, isn’t government substituting someone else’s idea of what’s right for one’s own?

  • jon e. g

    home boy – you are so right but people don’t think like that anymore do they? We have taken God out of The Schools, The Courts, and now an effort is moving to take it off our currency. In Washington – most of who we are lead by are individuals who have their own individual adgenda and who have no fear of being ousted because they have the financial means to stay in power. Can someone tell me – What is the average tenure of a congressman? It has to be well over 12 -15 years. TERM LIMITS are the only way to turn this thing around. We will never see this on any ballot – these are the very people who passed healthcare and don’t have to accept it. These are the very poeple who gave themselves raises but continue to spend the dollars like there is no end.

    If you ask me – Satan is alrady living- alive and well in Washington DC. Now – how do we get rid of him? They all have to go and we must START OVER.

  • Robert says

    Go back to your bag of weed home boy, you are in need of help big time.

  • Get Smart

    Yes, we need smaller government. The party doesn’t matter, because both parties have problems right now. I don’t buy in to Obama’s “Divide and Conquer” tactic. We must stick together to keep this country’s freedom. Europe is not even accepting our U.S. Dollar right now, or devaluing it 30 percent.

  • Rosemary

    Laura, I agree everything you wrote except for the last paragraph. The problem with voting for any Democrat is their leadership. The only way to get something done in Congress is to get your bill actually passed. The Democrat leadership is bent on continuing the frightening leftward turn and will use all of its fearsome power to make sure those in its “stable” votes the party line. Look at Bart Stupak. While not a fan of his, he did fight the good fight against federal abortion funding, but in the end he had to bow to the assurances (or really non assurance fig leaves) given him by his leadership. He had to vote for the bill. He is a Democrat. Enough said.

  • John

    Amen Laura! The only detriment is that it could adversely effect who the Speaker of the House might be. Principled conservatives will vote together – regardless of their party (unlike Stupak & co.). Our best opportunity is to retake the Republican party – supporting the party of Reagan, NOT LINCOLN! I believe each candidate MUST be vetted by us, and then vote for the one that most accurately represents where we each stand, however. (i.e. – NY 23 congressional)

  • Meteorlady

    You education is sadly lacking – here’s a link to our registered third parties. I stopped counting at 26 but you can read about each one.

    Not knowing about any other parties is pretty telling, don’t you think? Seems the news media does not like to even mention them. Some of the states I have lived in I have seen them on the ballot, but for the most part Libertarians, Communists, and Socialists appeared on most ballots I cast while in Washington State.

  • Joe H.

    Laura,
    I have only voted for two Democrats in my life. both were at the township level!!! I would never vote for one at national level and it has stood me in a some what good sted. while Bush Jr was a putz of sorts Reagan was good, Nixon was an ass who lied to the people daily about Vietnam. If I think the independent has a chance in 2012 I will try one then, but if I don’t see a lot of support I will go for a repub just to get rid of Obummer and work from there! We can not take a chance of getting Obummer back!!! Eight years of him will ruin this nation possibly to the point of no return!!!

  • dLegend

    Peter says:
    April 5, 2010 at 6:51 am
    Party of Lincoln. That’s a joke. The Republicans are a joke! So are the Democrats! One thing a person who knows anything about history knows is that Lincoln was literate. So were most of the other politicians of the day. What we have today in Washington are the largest collection of semi literate, completely ignorant half wits ever assembled on the face of the planet.
    Our political system is completely and irretrievably corrupt.

    VERY VERY TRUE !!!
    ALL CORRUPT….FACELESS & ONLY HALF-ILLITERATE…
    SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY~ALL THEIR SMARTNESS HAVE GONE…
    THE 2-PARTY SYSTEM IS A JOKE FOR 2DAY POLITICS IN AMERICA !
    THAT’S WHY WE ARE BANKRUPT !!!
    TALKING ABOUT Freedom & Democracy….
    Other countries are doing better-off then us !!

  • Harold Olsen

    Exactly right!! Those morons in Washington, DC are so stupid that they vote for bills without reading what’s in them.

  • Robert

    I don’t have much use for Lincoln, but you’re certainly right about today’s misfits in the Senate, House and this pisspoor excuse of a president who so wants to turn this country into the new Soviet Union or Red China. We’ve got one beltway bozo who’s so stupid he’s afraid the island of Guam will tip over and fall into the sea if we send American troops there. Don’t believe me? Go into youtube and search for Hank Johnson. He’s some black goofball from Georgia who I suspect won his seat in one of those districts that was cut out just to make sure there’d always be an extra black Democrat left wing extremist in Washington….no matter how inept he is.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    If he was illiterate, how did he read all those books, and how did he write the Gettysburg address? Just curious.

  • http://charter howe

    We went from gridlock to dangerous partisan poitics after the 2008 elections. The liberal Democrats have proved they cannot be trusted with being the majority party, so if we want to take our country back, we really need to vote them all out. There are a few good conservative democrats and republicans and keeping them on board would be to our advantage, but lets face it, we have been ignored by the people we voted into office and now they must pay in Nov 2010 and 2012. If the people in Calif do not vote Pelosi out and the people of Nevada don’t vote Reid out, we may as well grab the vaseline and bend over, because we will get the same result for two more years. There is no room for corruption in Congress or the Whitehouse and those of us that close a blind eye to this crap are enablers of a greater crime. I hope we can get past the “whats in it for me attitude” and start thinking about whats best for our country. These evil people see themselves as our saviors but they are in fact our masters and most get rich on the backs of their constituents. Its time for some new faces in Congress and the Whitehouse to carry our banner. I was in the military for 29 years and my ideology was simple, I was passionate about supporting the Constitution and our freedoms, so much so that I did not worry too much about my personal safety. I expect our leaders to have the guts to support our constitution and the welfare of WE THE PEOPLE and not just certain segments of society. They are essentially trampling the constitution by finding all the loopholes to push for big government. The majority party is not listening to the people and whats worse they are taking us off a cliff that smells of banana republic and their ideology has them locked into this insane idea that we can spend our way to prosperity.

  • Pathfinder

    It is, indeed, time to say, “To hades with both of the old, corrupt parties.” and VOTE LIBERTARIAN !!

  • clarkwv

    If you would look up the national debt year by year you will find you claim to be a lie. Use real facts, not some thing some one dreamed up.

  • Yandle

    Beberoni, The Libertarian Party? The party of ‘no morals’, ‘no God’, which is why we are in the condition we are in now here in the USA.

  • JeffH

    The saddest part of it all is that not only did the American hater Soros and his type of “one world order” financiers buy the Democratic Party and the presidency, they also bought a lot of Republicans too.

    Politics in America has become influenced not only by big dollars from lobbyists by big corporations and entities here, but by a more powerful elitist international conglomerate lust for greed and power. Power and greed are fueling political corruption. The attack on America is a two pronged attack on freedom and liberty. We the people have to take back the government before we can fight these elite international financiers desire to erode the world economy and Americas position as the leader of the free world.

  • TMacZ

    What do you mean when you say we saw runaway spending with Clinton? In case you didn’t know it, when Clinton left office, there was a SURPLUS. It took Bush’s wreckless cowboy tactics to start the spending spiral.

  • steve

    Sadly, a 3rd party movement would only guarantee the worst of the evils; keeping the socialist Democrat party in power. The only answer is a true conservative takeover of the Republican party. And it better happen soon or the country as we have known it is doomed.

  • JLW

    Your article is certainly not appropriate at this particular time. All
    efforts must be focused on removing radical liberals from office and the
    administration.

    The only way that is going to happen, under current conditions, is to consolidate under the Republican party and concentrate on one thing,
    getting conservatives and moderates elected.

  • s c

    For those who know history like Obummer knows economics (ignorant on steroids), America can’t afford to have a Republican approach to government. If that sounds strange, it’s becuse you a) don’t know much about history, b) the Republican Party doesn’t give a damn about its history c) people who specialize in revising history did an excellent job of dumbing-down America and d) Lincloln was a states’ rights-hating, big government, central banking neocon who was ‘ahead of his time.’
    True, we do need another Emancipator, but this time around we need someone who to FREE America from the strangling chains imposed by central banks, income tax (and the Fed) and a system CORRUPTED by the direct election of senators.
    America, wake up. Re-learn some of your history. You know what happened to the Democrats. If you don’t know what happened to the Republicans, you may deserve whatever happens. HOW MUCH do you want to be FREE?

  • John

    Amen!

  • Aaron

    Sorry, lying Lincoln from Ole Kentucky (not honest Abe from Illinois–he could not even tell the truth about where he was born) freed NO SLAVE! It took an amendment to the constitution to free the slaves. He was not the president of the South and had no legal control over the Southern People.

  • Frank

    Go to a restaurant…open the menu….if there were only 2 choices would you stay? How about beer, SODA, burgers? Two choices OK? Why are we damning ourselves to only two choices? Do you not see that is a GUARANTEED recipie for disatster? If there are only two choices, both sides can easily work together!

    If Americans want change then they need to break the monolopy. Once the monolopy is broken then America, the land of the Free Choice can truely be the Land of Freedom and retake their beloved Democrat & Republican parties. Until then they are willing hostages to a corporate influence.

  • DaveH

    “the Republican party being the party of life”? Tell that to the Iraqis. Or tell it to the numerous victims of the futile drug wars:
    http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/drug-war-victim/

    Republicans are no less Big Government lovers than are the Democrats. They just have a different agenda to force down our throats.

  • Bruce Dunavin

    Let’s get involved and vote out every incumbent politician who is not a true conservative. We can no longer afford to be the “silent majority”. Our entire congress is in cahoots with each other to pass laws that benefit third party interests who finance their campaigns and provide bribe money under the table. An honest person cannot survive in congress today. Our congress has become a cancer upon the soul of America. The only cure for this cancer is to stick together and vote them all out of office and start over.

  • Theophilus

    Patronage is the problem, and by the look of it, in insoluable one. To get elected you need support. To get support you need to convince people that you will take care of their perceived needs. The single best way to make people believe that you are working for them is to throw money at them. The American addiction to turning government loose on domestic problems has become incurable.
    For all of their faults and misdeeds at least the Republicans acknowledge the damage that big government causes whereas the Democrats seem oblivious to it.
    Our value system has crumbled. Greed, selfishness, suspicion, and corruption are rampant. We suffer from a lack of knowledge of, and faith in, the guiding principles of government. We have allowed our schooled to undermine the spirit that propelled the patriots of 1776.
    Only a massive uprising of self-sacrificing taxpayers could possibly turn this around. The men of 1776 risked fortune, honor, and their lives to birth a government under the heal of the people. Where are such patriots, and men of vision, today?
    The worst is yet to come. The odds are very good that at least one, and possibly more, vacancies will occur on the Supreme Court. Once Emperor Obama gets to appoint his left leaning replacements then there will no hope of returning this country to the ideals of limited government.

  • Pathfinder

    Here is one right wing radical that left your “moderate” republican party over 12 years ago. I have not forgotten your treatment of, then primary candidate, Alqan Keyes. Since that time I make no contributions to, nor do I vote for republicans. I am tired of being stabbed in the back by a party that wants my vote on election day but ignoresw me once in office. Both democrats and republicans are in the business of bigger government and more socialist programs. Therefore; I am glad to leave your party, as requested. Hopefully, conservatives will leave your socialist party altogether and stop wasting their votes on it. Perhaps then, we can have a true second party rather than a weak echo of the democrats.

  • John

    Hmm, sounds like a Democrat in RINO clothing!

  • Geoffrey Hichborn

    The Moderate Republicans already have a party: its called “the Democratic” one, making no pretense of allegiance to the magnificent writings that became out Constitution. I would seriously like those Moderate and liberal Republicans to leave the Party, and for the “Republican leadership” to stop kowtowing to them so pathetically. But it has simply become too frequent that the RINOs willingly abandon the GOP platform and mission of small, less intrusive government. I would have said that they often abandon their own principles, but watching them, it appears they have few to none, except as may gain them more personal power, control, and advancement. There are serious problems to deal with that stem from decades of sidestepping the Constitution, but few of those elected Republicans seem to recognize the Bill of Rights or their oath to defend it. The USA has very few of its original 10 Amendments, our Bill of Rights, to the Constitution intact, and the assault on all of them remains in full force from Republicans from Lincoln to Bush, from Clay, the Whig to McCain, the elite socialist. They have sold out the rule of law for entitlements and tort based transfer of wealth. And they are selling out all residents for “green” based “sustainability” which will come at great cost in time and money and additional servitude for all.

  • Robert

    Believe me, the worse things get under these left wing communist radicals who currently own Washington, the better of a chance those right wing radicals, as you call them, will have at the polls.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Biggest mistake the Republicans ever made, was running John McCain for president. He was a democrat wearing Republican clothes. That is why he lost, the voter base wasnt mobilized.

  • s c

    Assuming that you are a conservative, you are in dire need of a history lesson, JLW. What we have now is closer to a mindless herd of neocon, Hollywood Republicans.
    America’s current brand of Republicanism amounts to the ‘other’ side of a corrupt nickel. The flip side is closer to a mob of social rejects, anarchists and retards who will accept anything their party throws at them (especially if they use the proper terms, including ‘social justice,’ ‘bipartisan’ and ‘change.’
    See what you need to see, JLW. What we usually see has been engineered in the hope that most of us won’t think twice about the septic tank CRAP we’re supposed to swallow.

  • Pathfinder

    We have already tried “consolidating under the republican party”. Bush #43 was in the white house and there were republican majorities in both the house and the senate. What did that get us? Even bigger spending increases than Bill Clinton’s administration. The democrats promise a bigger government and more socialist programs. The republicans promise us smaller, less intrusive government. BUT BOTH PARTIES GIVE US LARGER, MORE EXPENSIVE, AND MORE INTRUSIVE GOVERNMENT EVERY TIME. It is time for conservatives to stop wasting time, money, and effort on the republican branch of the socialist party. We need to form a real second party; not just an echo of democrats.

  • American Citizen

    No moderates, they’re middle-of-the-roaders and stand for nothing.

  • BOOTumALL

    We defintely do not need to split the conservative vote. Regardless of how far George W. Bush was from a true conservative, and during his presidency I was disgusted, Mr. Obama suddenly made him look like a John Bircher. WE need to hold their [the republicans] feet to the fire. I would like to invoke the second amendment here and say the second amendment to their heads! It would be nice if we could put a recall effort in place for every republican elected and as soon as they go off the reservation yankem. We have to work with what we have and make it better. To begin a third party is suicide and most likely promoted by the Libs as in Nevada. Running a (unindorsed by the TPP) candidate holding a TPP banner in the hopes of detracting enough votes from the republican candidate to maintain his senate seat. We cannot fall prey to this tactic.

  • Pathfinder

    Of course this article singled out republicans. Conservatives already know that democrats are poison. It is time conservatives learned that the republican party is a waste of our time, efforts, votes, and campaign contributions.
    If you are worried about splitting the conservative vote; the stop wasteing you votes on republicians. VOTE LIBERTARIAN !!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    If they want to talk corrupt, dirty, perverted, lying, cheating, no good for nothing, they need look no farther than Bill Clinton. The epitomized everything that a leader in charge should not be. We will be paying for decades for all the dirty dealings he did. The banks collapsing are just the beginning of what he did.

  • John

    I’m sure they would welcome you. If you don’t like what we have – get out and make it better, I am! If you’re just going to blow off about how other nations are better off – I don’t see anyone keeping you here. Lead, follow, or get out of the way!

  • Tazio2013

    We, the enlightened, pragmatic, rational, secular Jeffersonian Libertarians constantly put Sarah Palin down because she is an ignorant, money-grubbing, war-mongering Fox Noise air-head personality and the female equivalent of Glenn Beck. Do US a favor, Don; stay stupid and continue with your present “Regan” belief system.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I will vote for her in a heartbeat. Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, Bobby Jindal, and there are many others that would make a good conservative ticket work. Problem is, just as in last election, for some reason the Republicans put all their efforts behind John McCain, a career politician that everyone wants to get rid of, and ran him for president. Dumb stupid decision. And he is a democrat in Republican clothes. I hope they use their head this next time. No one wants to elect a 150 year old guy that has been a politician since the beginning of time.

  • Pathfinder

    I don’t want a third party. I want a good second party. AND THR REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOT IT. The republican party is not the best way to elect conservatives. The republican party IS THE BEST WAY TO FOOL CONSERVATIVES INTO VOTEING FOR SOCIALISTS.
    That is why I want to see the RINO party wither and die. So that we may have a real second party; not just an echo of the democrats.

  • DaveH

    We must be careful not to split the vote. If we do, we might get Republicans or Democrats. Some choice.
    That “best vehicle” has been complicit in growing Government larger for the entire 60 years of my life. Sorry, but I vote for the Principled Party. The only Party with the huevos to shrink the size of Government. The Libertarian Party.

  • Peter

    I have another comment. Politically, I am an Anarchist. Meaning I feel no need to be governed. Especially by a bunch of half witted shills. So you could say that I am about two steps to the right of Ron Paul. Things being as they are, it is impossible to completely avoid governments. We have City and town Governments County Governments and States Governments and Federal Governments. You can hardly take a crap without Government approval. You can’t fight with them, or argue with them and expect to win. Best to just ignore them as much as humanly possible.
    If someone held a gun to my head and made me vote, I would have to vote for Ron Paul. He seems to at least have a grasp on reality. He also is the only one who understands the nature of Public Service.
    Governments are supposed to serve the public. The people of the United States Incorporated, serve the Governments. All of them from the bottom to the top.
    From where I stand it doesn’t make any difference what so ever to me who wins. I can ignore one as well as the other.

  • Harold Olsen

    We need to abandon the Democrats AND the Republicans and perhaps look at supporting the Libertarian or the Constitution parties. Maybe then we’d be able to cut the size of our bloated government who does nothing but raise our taxes and then waste the money on programs that do not work and give themselves outlandish pay raises for doing nothing but destroy our country.

  • Marshall

    I am proud to be from the south and don’t have a darn thing for Lincoln good rittens to him and several more,I wasn’t born yet all I know is they stole a lot of my familys land.I usually vote Republican unless there a so called moderate Republicon which means there scared to tell that there a Democrat at heart.If you are for Abortion,Gun controal,anti Christ,Anti Constitution,love open borders,and samesex partners,or Vote with the democrats in making the last Justice appointment like a republican from TN.did you lost my vote.I would rather vote for someone that at least will tell the truth about what they stand fore.I’m 100% Conservative,Christian,Pro-life,pro-gun,American Patriot and sick of this Comunist Reseigm in Washington.

  • David Long

    Government, local, state, national, will ALWAYS grow as the population grows. The issue is not big government versus little government. The issue is reasonable (responsible) versus unreasonable (irresponsible)growth.

  • http://Google Victoria Dwyer

    The best thing to do is to get really informed. Do your own research. Look for people who “source” their facts. This link is from a well known conservative:

    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/a/m/americandad/2010/03/an-open-letter-to-conservative.php?ref=

    He makes alot of sense.

  • gary kindy

    Nancy check out goooh dot com and see how we can take back the USA and constitution. It does no good to think if we switch from Rebublican to Democrat and then think switch back again in the next four years will do any good. Both parties are for their own political careers. That is why we need check out GOOOH and become a patriot willing to use our vote as our sword to get back to our founding fathers constitution.

  • http://cantonrep Rep.

    Nancy is right! They are hard working folks! Are the Black folks there brecause Obama’s half white! Racism is far from the trusty! Their the voice of the American people! NOVEMBER IS GOING TO BE FUN!!!

  • John

    You are right Rosemary but what HB was trying to say is that SIN is the real problem – and he’s 100% correct! Proverbs 9:10 says, “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” Ultimately, until we return to that axiom, anything we might seek to change will be short-lived.

  • Harold Olsen

    In 2008 I almost did vote Libertarian, but ended up voting for RINO McCain just because he chose Sarah Palin as his running mate. I wasted my vote. But never again!!

  • Harold Olsen

    TRUE conservatives DO need to start their own party. Moderates and liberals need not apply. We certainly can’t trust the Democans or the Republicrats.

  • Pathfinder

    How about not letting republicans subtract votes from real conservatives? Seems to me that even when you get a republican into office they turn out to be socialists too.

  • Harry

    Simple changes can bring the country back. 1)Those who don’t pay taxes and or receive welfare don’t vote. 2)Eliminate Congressional retirement and place them on social security. 3)Congress is on the same health care plan they establish for the people. 3)Reduce Congressional pay to regular government workers. 4)Congress does not vote for changes that affect them they are placed on the ballot.

  • George Halepis

    Term limits are not the answer. The people can elect anyone at anytime, which is why the Founders were opposed to term limits. Would you term limit Ron Paul? I think not. The problem is that the ruling elite control both major parties, coupled with the apparent desire of the majority of the American people for cradle-to-grave security.

  • David Long

    The Founding Fathers were opposed to term limits. Please see the Federalist Papers.

  • Char

    You will only have term limits if the people ban together at the ballot box and vote them out.

  • BobD

    I am tired of hearing how the Founders did not want term limits. NO KIDDING! This government has been overrun by corporations and special interest groups – particularly the banking establishment. The limits and constraints initially imposed by the Constitution have been ignored and are effectively nullified. Term Limits are now a necessity until special interests groups are barred from contributing to politicians and parties; and the hideous 16th & 17th Amendments are repealed.

    However, I think we a have a better chance of seeing Moses part the Red Sea again before we ever see politicians agree to limit their stay in Washington, D.C. – “District of Corruption.”

  • clarkwv

    John, you must define what a “true conservative” believes. Would that be the ideas of say Barry Goldwater or what?

  • Frank

    With the current state of both parties we need a Third party to break the back of both parties. Both the DNC & RNC are so layered with Corporate interests if you think your going to get all good candidates from the ground up = Dream on! These guys have spent billions weaving their people into the process and recruiting candidates that will be skilled enough to tell both sides what they want to hear while maintaining their allegience to the corporate elites.
    I dont like it any more then anyone, but this is EXACTLY the time for a third party. Regardless of the theories and examples of the past, if the American people want to take back America this is the only way. Proof = Scott Brown.

  • http://naver samurai

    I don’t know where you get your information from, but I think until you know your facts you just need to shut up! Don’t forget, “Osama” Obama at one time claimed to be of the Judeo/Christian faith.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Is this a vision your getting from doing Peyote or what?

  • http://naver samurai

    Tazio, could you do us all a favor a just shut up? Reagan was a greater president than “Osama” Obama will ever be. Reagan spoke out against nationalized health care and brought the values of service, honor, and duty to country to new heights. Obama has friend who have pictures taken of them standing on the American Flag. “Osama” is affraid of her because she is helping to get “We the People” mobilized to fight against this socialist regime we now have in office.

  • Don Tremaine

    Tazio2013,
    I was not asking this question for a libtard to answer.
    I was wondering why some conservatives are against her. I don’t want to hear any trash from the left.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    No. Truth is, you and the democrats are scared to death of her, because she actually is likeable, she actually got into office and served the people she was elected to serve, and she actually balanced her states budget, and that scares the hell out you all. How dare she do was she was elected to do. This is a foreign thing to you, and you dont understand it, so you reject and attack, and your attacks are all hot air, just attacks. False reports, the whole works. Shame on you and the libs for this. Then since it didnt work, well, then you all decide, lets drag the kid through the mud to get at her. Real nice. Shows what kind of people you are on the left.

  • Dr. Mabuse

    You hit the nail on the head Clark. Barry Goldwater was the last real conservative the Republicans had. It was a shame he was castigated and pilloried by the powers that be after the assassination of JFK.
    The military-industrial complex threw their full support behind LBJ to secure the continuation of the Vietnam war, and the admonitions in regards to big government/shadow government that Goldwater had warned us against were largelt ignored.

  • Larry Sigurdson

    Like it or not, the reality is that we have a two party system. The choices are, A. Democrat, or B. Republican, if victory is your goal. One of these two parties will elect a candidate to every partisan office held in the United States. That’s the way it is. No amount of complaining or wishful thinking is going to change the election system.
    What can be changed is the ideological and political make-up of the candidates being nominated and elected. That is something, that “we the people,” have control over if we wish to exercise our rights as citizens. Likewise, we citizens can assume control of the local Republican Central Committee. In large enough numbers, that will also impact the State GOP and the RNC, because local Central Committee officers are also state delegates. And, state delegates elect the national delegates to the RNC that write party platform.
    All change starts at the local level and that is where we conservatives must focus our energy. Given concerted efforts at the local level, nationwide, we can effect a tremendous change in Republican politics. I am very optimistic that this is what we will see happen this November.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    pathfinder,
    If we let the republican party die, at what cost do we do it?? It could be many years before we get a second party strong enough to run successfully against the libs!!!! Could we survive say 16 years straight of what we have now???

  • Dr. Mabuse

    Oh so true !!!!
    The Patriot Act is a prime example of this.

  • Jimmy G

    Cutting the size of government will take time (years) and effort on everyones part who is not a politician or employed by some form of government. Run at the local level first. Remember how we got the Clintons.

  • Robert says

    The best answer for all, is for each state to leave the “union”
    better known as Washington D.C. Leaving D.C. to form it own country
    within Washington D.C.’s own borders.and the states start over again with the same original Constitution of the past. and forming a third party in witch each state has one member of each party to represent that state, that way no one party holds a majority. Each law must be voted on by the people as a whole and the constitution must be up held and anyone in office not up holding it shall be romoved right then an there.

  • Howard Hodges

    Been there done that. I’m a FMR libertarian of 15 years and we never made any progress as a viable alternative vs the R&D with a chance to be anything other than a spoiler in races wanted by the D&R, the constitutionalists are virtualy non-existant in my state but the problem is the R, L, and C are all fragments of the R and are used by the D to secure there socialist dictatorship by promoting the splits. The solution is for us all to get into the R as I did and change the R since third parties cannot win in our system and only cause the party you like least to win. We are not a parlement. So this fall fire them all and vote against the D if the R does’nt change then get rid of them again but the incumbent is mostly D so vote R…Or…get used to Mr. Obama the D and slavery.

  • Sunny

    Lincoln was way back when and we are dealing with a whole new world. Let’s not split hairs here. If we want the Republican Party to stand for conservative values and small government and few taxes, we must demand it. If they don’t comply, then we must abandon those who have lost their ability to represent the people, and find those who will. I am not normally in favor of a third party, but sometimes you have to demolish the rotten building and rebuild from the ground up. Of course, we cannot do this without God’s help. We have abandoned God when we need Him most. We mere human beings have gotten outselves into a horrible fix because we relied on ourselves and allowed ourselves to be deceived. Now we must confess that we were wrong and return to Godly principles if we are to succeed. I know. I speak from experience.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Marie Stroud
  • Mike

    My seminents exactly!!

  • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

    Marshall, Either you’re a liberal plant, or a product of the public school system. (A distinction without a difference?) No offense, but: Please, please, please – use the “Spell Check” capabilities that are embedded in your word processing application. The “LibTards”, as some call them, love to ridicule any grammatical and/or spelling mistakes they may perceive in a post unappreciative of their great visions for the rest of us. After all, they do know better than we do what’s good for us.

  • http://Google Victoria Dwyer

    Marshall… I don’t believe for a minute man that you’re a true conservative. We are jest knot thes stupd!

  • Robert says

    If you are looking for someone to tell the truth, don’t vote for a damn lawyer. Vote for a person who’s gone through the university of hard knocks.

  • Shane

    You’re from the south Marshall…never could have guessed that. I can’t wait until they build schools down there. When you were listing the things you support you forgot to include longer hunting seasons and more Nascar coverage in the ‘liberal’ media because I KNOW you love hunting and driving cars in a big circle. Myron, you’re correct, we do have great visions for you people, like a high school education in Marshall’s case. Is that really asking for a lot? To anyone who is defending the Tea Parties as representative of American people, you’re as crazy as they are.

  • Bob C.

    So Gov’t growth is tied to the population growth. Boy do you need a history lesson.

    No my friend when you rob Peter to pay Paul you can always count on Paul to show up at the voting booth. Gov’t programs by design are a tool to buy votes with taxpayer money.

  • Joe H.

    David Long,
    Let’s say you are right. what are you going to do when government gets so big that the population can’t support it??? At the rate government wages are going up, that won’t take too long!!!!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Marie Stroud

    Very True!

    He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination. Proverbs 28:09 KJV.

    If anyone turns a deaf ear to the Law, even his prayers are detestable.” NIV.

    Yahweh cannot stand the prayers of anyone who disobeys His Law.”CEV

  • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

    Sunny , so very true.

  • Pat

    And so we will keep the current Progressives in office if we follow your advice. No way. Just be careful that the Republicans we vote for are Conservatives.

  • DaveH

    Only vote Libertarian if you believe in Individual Responsibility, Individual Liberty, Free Markets, and Limited Government. Otherwise continue to throw away your votes on controlling Democrats or controlling Republicans.

  • Jane

    You people are doing nothing but getting ready to hand the country over to the Demos AGAIN. The scenario you are trying to build has done this very same thing over and over and over again in the past. Won’t you EVER learn?

  • Whats so complicated?

    Come on people, all I hear are a bunch of whiners thinking that a third party is the answer. Dump all the B.S. and concentrate on our main goal, defeat the Democrat/Liberal party and reform the Republican/conservative party. By doing this, we can return the U.S.A back to the great country it was before, a country of two strong opposing parties (Democrats and Republicans) but with the same goals, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness! Whats so complicated about that?

  • http://www.aynrand.org Paul Beaird

    Tea Party Declaration of Independence from Political Party Loyalties

    By Paul Beaird

    (author of Will We Win Our Freedom?)

    Some seek to define the Tea Party and make it theirs. Others want to dissolve it in hot coffee and slander its leaders. Proving that political parties exist to divide and distract the country, the first of these is the Republican Party. The second is for the benefit of the Democratic Party. Because they don’t perceive what the Tea Party movement is, neither will succeed.

    The signal event was the National Tea Party Convention held over the first weekend in February in 2010. There is no national Tea Party. So, who hosted the event and called themselves by this name?

    On Saturday the 4th of February, during the convention, Bret Baier interviewed Republican Party advocate, Rush Limbaugh and Republican Governor and candidate for the Vice Presidency in 2008, Sarah Palin. Also interviewed were Fred Barnes and Mara Liasson. (Text of this interview under the title, “Panel on the GOP and the Tea Party” is at RealClearPolitics.com on Saturday, February 4, 2010.)

    Rush Limbaugh said, “They are going to come to their senses and realize all a third party will do to [is] guarantee the elections to the Democrats.”

    Are Tea Party people lacking their senses? Are they children who need to be herded by such wisdom?

    Sarah Palin said, “I think those on the political radical left would love to see disunity in the tea party. They would love to see fissures especially between the tea party and Republican party. If anything I see a coalescing.”

    Are the Tea Party people a united block that could be divided? Did she think that there was a loyalty between “the tea party and Republican party” that could be fissured? To “coalesce” means to “come together so as to form one whole”. If the Republican party was separate from the Tea Party so that such a coming together is desired by some, what differences are there between the Tea Party and the Republican party? If there are differences, what would happen to the concerns that generated Tea Party demonstrations, supposing it became one with the Republican party?

    Mara Liasson of National Public Radio said, “I think that any smart party absorbs energy on its fringe, whether it’s the right wing of the Republican Party or the left wing of the Democratic Party. I think the Republicans have been pretty smart so far about doing that. And I think they have been harnessing the tea party activists. I think it’s easier when you are the opposition party and you can be united by hatred or fear of the majority Democrats. But I think all these primaries so far don’t seem to be weakening Republican candidates. I think that, in the end, if the tea party people have a role to play, they end up nominating some Republican candidates.”

    Notice that we, the Tea Party people, are regarded as a source of energy for the lethargic Republican party and that the smart Republicans are harnessing us activists. If you are a Tea Party person, do you feel harnessed? Please also notice that we are regarded as driven by emotions (fear and hatred) aimed at the political opponents of the Republican party. We are not viewed, at all, as motivated by ideas, nor as a source of ideas the Republican party could benefit from, only emotion and energy. Notice that unless we nominate some Republican candidates, we are said to not have a role to play.

    Bret Baier asked Fred Barnes, of the neo-conservative Weekly Standard, “Fred, Democratic strategist Pat Caddell said he thinks that it’s the most powerful movement since the antiwar movement he has seen in his lifetime. That’s kind of a bold statement. But do you agree with Rush (Limbaugh) all these groups can come together under a Republican label?”

    Barnes answers, “I agree with Mara. She says they already have, and I think that’s true, what’s happened.” Later Barnes says, “Here is a movement, it’s a grassroots movement. It doesn’t have any leaders. You have to sort of integrate with them and join in with them. And they (the Republicans) have done a pretty good job in that.”

    Another man named Carlson generally agrees, but expresses one concern. “But there is latent hostility towards Republican leadership here. Fred said that the tea party and the Republicans have the same aims, less spending, smaller government. But to some extent, you know, there have been Republicans who don’t have those aims, and they are definitely in the crosshairs of the tea party people who feel deep resentment toward them as accommodationists.”

    Here “accomodationist” means someone who compromises with the set of principles held by the opponents of one’s own ideals. Historically, the Republican party has been called the “me-too” party for letting the Progressive-Liberal-Leftist-socialist point of view set the direction, resisting only by wanting legislation to be smaller, slower and less costly, while never arguing with the rock-bottom principles moving America ever closer to the socialist program. Carlson seems to be saying that Tea Party people are aware of that and are not willing to put up with compromising politicians any more.

    A couple of weeks later, on the 17th of February, Sarah Palin said some things about the Tea Party people that do not sound as confident that the Republicans had absorbed them. “Now the smart thing will be for independents, who are such a part of this Tea Party movement. to, I guess, kind of start picking a party… And, then because the Tea Party movement is not a party, and we have a two-party system, they’re either going to have to pick a party and run for one or the other. R or D.”

    She does not sound as though she thinks the Tea Party people are passive enough to simply have been absorbed by the Republican party, but are independent enough to make their own choice. She does not offer any argument about why that ought to be the Republican party, just that they should be smart and pick one of the two major parties.

    That lack of confidence is well founded. The Tea Party movement started out with people who were shocked that their government was dictating salaries, bonuses and business methods to financiers, bankers and automakers. People generally recognize that businesses create the goods, services, jobs, pay checks and economy of the country, but they saw their earnings turned into taxes to bail out companies that did not have enough business sense to stay profitable. They saw their tax dollars used to buy up such companies so that the government owned these failures and, having no confidence that government can run any business; people were deeply alarmed. They saw government spending so far beyond the ability of the US economy to produce wealth that they foresaw permanent debt for their great-grand children. They saw the government trying to take over the entire energy industry with Cap and Trade. They saw the failed system of socialized medicine being forced on them by backroom special deals offered to Congressmen to bribe their votes. They understood that this was a government take-over of an industry composed of doctors, hospitals, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical companies, one-sixth of the nation’s wealth and the industry that saves people’s lives. Americans barely tolerate the US Postal System or the Federal Reserve banking monopoly, let alone trust the government with their lives.

    At Tea Party events, people have come out of their homes and discovered their neighbors, who have the same pattern of worries, but on different subjects. Here are people offended by the violation of property rights by government’s heavy-handed use of eminent domain on behalf of land developers. Here are people afraid of a government that violates the Second Amendment by ever increasing regulation and banning of gun ownership. Here are people concerned about the lack of real security offered on our borders against foreign terrorists or drug gangs. These Tea Party people listened to each other and learned much from each other. More, they rediscovered the source of the freedoms they thought their government was busy protecting. Those freedoms are spoken of in bold and plain language in the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It is safe to say that, because of the Tea Party movement, more people, in sheer numbers, have read the US Constitution today than at any other time in US history.

    Are these people feeling emotions? You bet. Why? Because they are educating themselves with the ideas of the Founding Fathers and such patriots and outspoken advocates of individual rights as Ayn Rand, Ron Paul, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Judge Napolitano and others. It is these ideas that are motivating Tea Party people, not fear, anger or hatred. One has to laugh at commentators who talk about those emotions, knowing that the accusers must have never been to a Tea Party event, where a refreshing sense of joy and excitement are expressed, because people witness two things: truth and moral values are on their side and so are their many, previously silent neighbors.

    The declaration the political parties need to hear is this. We are not Republicans! We are not Democrats! If we are anything, we are independents who used to be Democrats, who used to be Republicans, who were already independents. We will not endorse or be absorbed by any political party. Why?

    Some of us already knew, many are now learning about the history of the sons and daughters of Americans who went to Europe for their university educations, returning to America with the ideas of socialism that looked so appealing and formed the Progressive movement here. Those were ideas that fundamentally transformed the nations of Europe into the collectivist movements of fascism, Nazism, socialism and Communism, all of which tore that continent of once-civilized peoples into shreds, killing more than 100 million human beings and leaving the entire continent in rubble.

    The first socialist success in America was in 1890, when a Conservative congress passed the first of the anti-business anti-trust laws. Old time Conservatives, after World War II, who still remembered what Conservatism had been, told lads like me, now 64, that the promise had been to repeal anti-trust, the Federal Reserve banking monopoly, the un-Constitutional 16th Amendment and its federal income tax, the impoverishment of the nation’s seniors by a government-run Social Security system, the driver of ever-skyrocketing medical costs which is Medicare/Medicaid, the law removing the gold and silver backing of the US dollar mandated by the Constitution, US membership in the UN where America pays as religious and Leftist tyrants denounce American prosperity and freedoms. There is so much more that must be repealed to get this government back under Constitutional limits, but these are the best-known. And, Conservatives do not even talk about repealing them anymore.

    Yes, there is a mistrust of “accomodationists”. More than a century of compromise has brought America to the edge of economic dictatorship. What else is there to call it, when un-elected “czars”, appointed by the President of the United States, can force federal money on banks in order to nationalize them, on auto makers while closing down car sales dealerships in violation of long-standing contracts, can threaten to jail executives of financial firms unless they resign or take smaller salaries and bonuses due them under voluntary contracts?

    It is not true of every Democratic politician that he has sold out to the socialist program, but the party, as a whole, is under the pressure of leaders who have. It is not true that every Republican politician is educated to economics and stands up for the free market, and its leaders certainly are not.

    We will not vote for a Republican because he is the only alternative to a socialist Democrat. To vote for establishment Republicans who wants to belly up to the trough of federal money and compromise with socialist ideologues means that we do not any longer have at least one party untainted by the stain of power lust. Better to let the Democrat carry that reputation with him into Congress. If the Republican party wants us to think they will restore freedom in America, then let them put up the right candidates.

    We Tea Party people are so committed to the Constitution that we will only evaluate candidates on a one-by-one basis.

    In order to restore this government to Constitutional limits, we must have men and women dedicated to a program of, not passing new laws, but repealing existing laws, until the powers held by government which exceed the authorizations of the Constitution are all scratched off the law books of our nation.

    So, we aim for a program of Reform by Repeal. Our standard of measure is the one expressed by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, “…that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men…”. In all the other words of the Declaration, of the US Constitution, and in the Bill of Rights, no other purpose of government is named. So, it is by the moral standard of individual rights (including property rights) that every law is to be measured, past, present or proposed. Freedom belongs to the people, to every person individually, not to government, whose role is only to protect our freedom to choose and take the actions we need in order to keep and enlarge and enjoy our lives, while here on this warm and ample Earth.

    The joke is on those whose political fortunes have been made by doing intense personal background research on their political opponents and exposing their misdeeds of the past to public knowledge and disapproval. The Tea Party has no leaders, no one whose embarrassment would make all of us stay home and shut up, soothing our shame and wounds with TV programs, video games, Internet entertainments, gospel sings, barbecues, sports events, or mind-numbing chemicals. We, each and every one of us, are Tea Party leaders. Come get us all. Shame us all, if you can.

    With permission I quote Robert Tracinski, founder of TeaPartyDebates.org:

    “There already is a universally accepted national tea party statement and a national tea party platform. We’ve had them for a long time. The national tea party statement is called the Declaration of Independence, and the national tea party platform is the Constitution of the United States. And come to think of it, I can name six or seven national tea party leaders—revered figures who command the movement’s loyalties. Their names are among those signed at the bottom of our national tea party statement and our national tea party platform. They are John Hancock, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, James Madison.

    “And the tea party movement cannot go far wrong if it sticks to the original tea party mission statement:
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
    “The tea party movement that began in 2009 is a deep expression of the American character—because the American character was shaped by the tea party movement that began in 1773.”

    We know what freedom is. We are reading, learning and sharing. And, if it takes us longer than our lifetimes to reverse the damage to what was the land of free men and women, well, we are teaching our children, so they know the ideas of rights, liberty, government limited to one purpose which is only to protect our property and freedom of action from criminals and invaders, and free enterprise, which is simply what people do when they are left free to follow their minds with the actions of their hands in order to improve their lives.

    Because human life depends on freedom, we will win. We will not let you destroy our country, as communitarian ideas destroyed Europe and Asia in the twentieth century. We will do it by standing apart from any political party. We will not try to influence either party, R or D. We will not splinter America by establishing a third party. We will ask our pro-freedom, pro-Constitution questions of all political candidates and influence them, individually, in every precinct in America. In the 20th century, both political parties have steadily moved in the same direction. Our freedoms lie in the opposite direction and we will go there, with or without you.

    This is our Tea Party Declaration of Independence from Loyalties to any Political Party.

  • Tom Snow

    Very nice! As all of us- useless eaters- debate, argue, and generally waste effort, the morons in Washington, District of Criminals, continue to plunder the nation’s treasure ( can’t be much left by now) and try to imprison us more with each passed bill.

    Just like Bob C. above we are all bambozoled by MSLSD and the rest of the talking heads as well as the disinformation we were fed in school. The leadership of this country only has a couple of goals- personal enrichment and the gathering of more power. Hey Bob C. give us a definition of politics- off the top of your head.

    We can’t afford to continue to allow the criminals to control our lives any longer. Because we don’t have the power (politics Bob) to resist individually, we can join the Taxed Enough Already Party or another group, that actually knows what the Constitution says!

    While you history scholars (Bob),jaw about which party is what, Rome burns! while Barry Sotero and his lackeys twiddle their thumbs considering how else to further control us- useless eaters!

  • Char

    My sediments also Vote them all out

  • JeffH

    sc, your vision isn’t clouded with bias. Thank the lord for realists.

  • JeffH

    s c, after a few comments on this and other posts, I think JLW isn’t sure what he believes, although I have a pretty good idea.

  • Walt S.

    What we need to do is vote all of them out of office this November and start over fresh, both parties. Electing officials that will work and care about the American people. Who really want to serve there country and its people not politics. And to keep on doing that until we get our Country back. Term limits are need and we need to stop the greed. Today it’s about the all mighty dollar and how much can I get out of my office and the American people. Double dippers Triple Dippers just too much! Zero SS raises and 17+ % raises for themselves. What index are they following? Totally out of hand! We need to stay in line and toll the mark, but they don’t. Something is just wrong with that and there selfishness. God Bless America, God will help US when we start helping ourselves.

  • Robert

    Thank you Aaron. I got into an argument with a history teacher when I was in the 8th grade over that very same thing. We had a test and one of the questions on that test was “Who was president during the Civil War?” The question didn’t say which side and since nearly all of my family is from Louisiana I answered with Jefferson Davis. Davis was our president during the War for Southern Independence. Lincoln was no more our president during that era in history than Tojo or Hitler during WWII.

  • BobD

    We are in this situation because as a whole, conservatives, libertarians, and independents lack unity and focus. We’ve been setup and played by the DNC/GOP two-party monopoly for a long time. All the while, government grows and freedoms are lost regardless if it is the “D” or “R” label running the show. Now both parties are trying to co-opt and fragment the Tea Party movement because it represents a real threat to “their thing.”

    Taking over the Republican Party is no simple task. You’ve got people entrenched at the Precinct, County, State, and National levels who paid their dues to get where they are – and they are not going to walk away without a fight! I don’t know about you, but I would rather spend my time and treasure building a 3rd Party rather than trying to co-opt the Republican Party and then have to deal with dissenters and back-stabbers.

    We are in a very fluid situation and if it continues to deteriorate and the heavy hand of government grows stronger, we will have a national mandate to create a 3rd Party to restore a Constitutionally-limited government. A 3rd Party has had little success up until now because it has lacked the leverage needed from the will of the people. Our government is doing everything that it can to placate and buy off those who have lost their jobs plus a large chunk, it not all, of their life savings. In the end, I don’t think that the government giveaways will be enough. Every day, more people are waking up to their new reality and demanding real change.

    As for this election cycle, there is only one rule in effect: “Win baby, Win!” Know your district and the candidates running. Play to your strengths. And if the Party machine defeats the best conservative candidate in the primary, then run that person as an independent in the general election. In any case, we cannot allow a contest where it is the RINO Vs. the Progressive. Else, they win and we lose.

  • JeffH

    steve, that and hopefully find some fresh conservative minds to replace the “old guard”.

  • DaveH

    I have been hearing that same tired mantra for the 40 years of my voting life. If we vote for the lesser of two evils, we still get evil.
    Of course, the Republican and Democrat leaders support you in your efforts to constrain a third party choice.

  • Meteorlady

    The same tired politicians on BOTH sides thank you for your vote. You know…… if you keep doing the same thing over and over, why would you and expect a change?

  • Give me a Break!

    How do you know that your vote was wasted? McCain and Palin lost the election, but that doesn’t mean your vote was wasted. Anyone who voted for this Moron we have for a president was a wasted vote. I’m proud to say, I didn’t vote for him!

  • Meteorlady

    A vote cast by an informed voter is NOT WASTED no matter who or what party you vote for. That is media crap and it’s been said so much everyone started to believe it. It’s call propaganda.

  • MikeC

    Pat,
    There have been recent races where the 3rd party took the race or made strides to reduce the influence of the incumbent! Spread the word and vote Libertarian! The true party of the people.

    http://libertarianparty.org/

  • Merl Elton

    We have an administration taking advantage of weaknesses and loopholes in the Constitution; and statutory allowances created by liberal progressive policies of both parties that basically allow any administration in power to do whatever it wants like reconcile 1/6 of the US economy under government control through health care reform. We need to limit reconciliation to budget items only; and emergency situations as when we are under attack by an enemy and must act immediately; however, not to take over the private sector in 1/6 segments. So we can start by eliminating the weaknesses and loopholes that enable radicals to take over.

  • Frank

    I’ll bet you conservatives are so Pissed right now that your all going to go and Vote Republican this fall..because…well..its OK as long as its not a Socialist Democrat! Right?

    One problem….what are you going to do if the Republican candidate believes in repealing Obamacare because its Unconstitutional but believes in the Patriot Act (also unconstitutional).??? What if they believe in the second Amendment but SUPPORT Corporate Welfare???

    What will you do?

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    More like the head brothers. Dick, Bull, Butt, Meat and Shi-.

  • Frank

    No Vote is a waste when you are well informed. I’ll bet 2010 will be the year of Voters.

  • George E

    The only way Obama wins a second term is if we split our vote. If you’d rather that than say a McCain, then you might just as well vote for Obama and save your time complaining about how the socialist are taking over our country. They’re going to anyway, if we don’t get smart about solving this problem.

  • DaveH

    That’s right. We must quit splitting our votes. Quit wasting your votes on the least evil candidates and start voting for the only Political Party with real Principles. Unlike Republicans or Democrats, the Libertarians believe it is your business what you do with your own bodies and property, as long as you don’t trespass on the bodies and property of others. Unlike Democrats, Libertarians believe that theft is wrong, whether it is committed by individuals or committed by Government. Unlike Republicans, Libertarians believe that murder is wrong (except in cases of self-defense), whether it is done by individuals or done by Government.

  • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

    Unless you do a little research you waste your vote. When I discovered that neither Obama nor McCain were qualified for president, I laughed for 15 minutes. I hope someone else can see the humor.

    Americans have been pretty much ignoring the Constitution for at least 30 years, but this takes the cake–two candidates for president who are both unqualified. Even if we wanted to vote for a qualified candidate, we would have no choice (other than Ron Paul.)

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Thank you. You are correct. Anyone that voted for this guy, now having seen what he has done, should be ashamed of themselves.

  • Frank

    I am a Libertarian Candidate…where do you get your info! I definately have a God and Definately have principals…a Hell of alot more then the current crowd!!

  • Meteorlady

    What the heck is that tirade about? The Party of no morals? Have you some inside information that we don’t know about because if have in fact met and voted for some of their candidates. Let me assure you they are pretty much normal like most Americans.

  • JeffH

    We need to come together as a whole to defeat this radical socialist takeover of our country before it is too late, and it is not too late to continue a revcovery in November and finalize the change in 2012.

  • JeffH

    Gee whiz Tom Snow, what might your brilliant mind suggest for the “all of us- useless eaters-” do, which, if I understand by that part of your comment, includes yourself.
    Rome wasn’t built in a day, and through the process of, insight to history and providing information on blogs like this, converstion, debate, verifiable and competent information, name calling and blame, the majority might just get on the same page to oust this socialist takeover of America before the curtain drops.

  • chuck b

    frank:

    we will do the same thing we are trying to do with barry, remove him!
    does the patriot act tax you or are you one who thinks the govt is listening and watching everything you do? who’s watching the other three hundred million people? they can listen all they want on my phone, it might get a little boring for them! corporate welfare? do you think it is possible to ever solve that problem. i doubt any politician would be immune from that one. either side will have a mighty fight on their hands if they try to remove the 2nd amendment. yes it will be alright to vote for a republican if they prove they are truly conservative, not just to campaign as one. remove all liberal democrats, rino republicans and cancel barry’s ticket before or in 2012

  • JeffH

    Gee Frank, if that is who you are, we’ll just have to cross that bridge when we get there, won’t we. It seems you are the one that is concerned.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I will proudly vote for the Republican, to rid ourselves of this anti American muslim in the white house, that cannot provide his birth ceritificate, and cannot provide papers proving his collegiate credentials. Its all a scam, if it wasnt, these documents would have been produced a long time ago. Vote out the democrats, and save the country, now.

  • Yandle

    Frank ,
    Have you read the Libertarian Party Platform? Have you listened to Libertarian Party leaders? Are you in a dark corner with your ears and eyes closed? This country did not get in this condition over night. I have watched people vote for ‘candidates’ like you for over fifty years who say “I definately(your spelling) have a God” and “a Hell of alot(your spelling)” used in the same sentence…shows that you “Definately(your spelling again) have principals”.

  • ChuckL

    Sorry Bob, but I believe that you have tied government size to the wrong indicator. It is not the size of the population that determines the size of the government, but the amount of control that the government tries to exert in areas where the government rightfully has no concerns.

    Our Constitutional Republic is designed to have a Federal Government to perform the necessary duties that the individual states can not do for themselves. These include national defense, and foreign affairs, prevention of any state from infringing upon the “God given Rights” enumerated in the Constitution, specifically including but not restricted to the “Bill of Rights”. (Please note that these “God given Rights” are given to everyone and no one is excluded, not even atheists.)

    The Federal government may NOT give special rights to any identifiable group of persons, but must make certain that no single group of persons is excluded from protection.

    The Constitution does not create any “Separation of Church and state.” It does prevent the state, any of them federal or local from making a ruling of law when the subject matter is religious.

    I urge you to obtain a copy of the Constitution and a dictionary, the older the better, and using both, study the Constitution.

    We have many laws and entitlements that congress has passed and the president has signed that are not authorized by the Constitution for enactment by the federal government. A return to Constitutionality requires that these laws be repealed. This must be done in the cases of “entitlements” upon which many people now rely (have been entrapped into) so that the repeal does not create hardships. The largest of these in terms of age is the “Social (in)Security Retirement” fund. Fortunately this is the easiest to fix without hardship. It must be means tested, Then IRAs must be unlimited to allow contributions equal to the maximum FICA tax and granted protection from judgments equal to those of SS. I am certain that other equally acceptable accommodations can be made for other entitlements with a reasonable amount of thought and returning operation of these entitlements to the states, where they are Constitutional.

  • Meteorlady

    Thanks for your well thought out comment. Nice to know these things and informative. Not the usual bickering, hysterical, and one-ups-manship that sometimes occurs on this site.

  • Dwestall

    Yea, some surplus. Gutted the military and raised taxes. Clinton’s tax increase coupled with Greenspan’s interest rate increases created the recession Bush inherited.

  • DaveH

    Here we go again. Clinton just rode the coattails of the fiscally responsible Congressmen:
    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5656

  • Meteorlady

    Yes – Clinton did leave Bush with a deficit. Generally people also liked to claim that he actually left a surplus. Not true, in fact Clinton claimed a $360 billion reduction in the national debt between FY1998-FY2000, but there was really an increase of $281 billion. So in no year did the debt actually go down.

    With the help of the Federal Reserves monetary policies, Clinton did almost eliminate the deficit but in 9/200 the deficit was $17.9 Billion. Clinton’s last budget, produced a deficit of $95.29 billion.

    This can be verified on the US Treasuries website.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    If you believe what the liberal media tells you. Truth is, he lied. He dipped into social security, he cut the military in half, he cut intelligency agencies in thirds, and did many, many things that we are still paying for today that need to be considered into the financial equations concerning this “Slick Willy” individual. The guy had the most tax increases in history under his admin. That brought in cash. You call that fair. You call that balancing? Gimme a break. The dude was an out and out crook. My gosh man, he even got caught stealing the furniture when he left and was forced to bring it back. He was white trash with money, no more.

  • Smilee

    If the founding fathers had wanted term limits they would have put it in the constitution, they did not and the Federalist papers do not trump the constitution so they mean nothing

  • California70

    The trouble with term limits is these politicians just keep hiring each other in other jobs and committees and they still have a lot of power behind the scenes. This has become a “family business”. The family business needs to be stopped cold.

  • Dwestall

    The tea party is too disorganized to provide real change in 2010. They may be ready for 2012. I believe the only way to fix our National problem is to follow the Constitution and forcible remove the current government. It no longer works for or represents the people. A citizen uprising, a US Military takeover or some combination is needed! That’s going to be the only way to head off hyperinflation and the total collapse of our dollar. A thorough vetting of any replacement candidates (GoooH style) would need to be done before anyone could run for office. Socialist Communist need not apply! It might take 4-8 years to get back to a fully citizen run government with no militia/military oversight. The states need a good purging too.

  • Smilee

    BobD says:
    April 5, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    We are in this situation because as a whole, conservatives, libertarians, and independents lack unity and focus.

    YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!! THAT IS WHY YOU WILL CONTINUE TO LOSE!!

  • Dave

    Why bother to describe Lincoln’s politics. The few people who have studied this period without help from out educational system already know this information. The rest (and the majority) will simply not believe it.

  • American Citizen

    I am a Conservative Independent who will never vote for a Democrat at the national level. Given their platform and leadership, as Rosemary said above, counts them out. I am at the moment torn as to whom I will vote for. Nevertheless, I will vote.

  • http://Americac2c usfrog

    If you are for taking back the Republican party, go to http://www.freedomforce.us
    There is a tsunami of citizens trying to do just that.

  • JeffH

    A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others.
    Ayn Rand

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Im not a betting man Smilee, but if I was, Id bet my mortage that the democrats are going to get voted out like nothing youve even seen in these upcoming elections. So far, theyve lost New Jersey, Virginia, and even Massachusetts. 3 in a row. Do you see the beginning of the picture? I told you months ago America would realize its mistakes, and they would pay for it. You havent seen nothing yet. The Americans, have woken up.

  • Frank

    So its all good as long as they believe in and support “some” of the Constitution as long as its the part you all agree with? To hell with the rest of the constitution and the rights of others is OK.

    Sorry “Charlie” but thats the EXACT sort of thinking that GOT us here! If you think for one minute that making 2 steps forward and 3 steps back is OK your nutz.

    For the record, the Patriot act stopped absolutely nothing except the expansion of the Federal Govt. Any one who trusts a Govt to play honest or by the rules knows nothing of History.

    We are in this mess because of that sort of thinking…Our candidates give us 3 things we want and 4 we dont want…eventually the scale tips and thats where we are at today and thats how we got here.

    We got here because no one wants to get off their a$$ and support real change! They all sit back and wait to see who the DNC or the RNC hands them!! LAZINESS and its cost us dearly. We want candidates but do little to get any.

  • Frank

    Conservtives do not exactly live by any real code…its all OK to Bomb Iran, IRAQ and Afganistan accidentally kill civilians (as long as their not conservatives)all the while VIOLATING the Constitutions war clause!!! Hello…The Patriot act is a Clear Violation of Rights and in no way makes us safer. The wars are illegal and Bankrupting America and our kids (for those of you who care). These 2 small violations are mere crumbs perpetrated by the very conservatives you all look back to for hope in the future.
    Every president who has sat in office since Kennedy has violated our rights and freedoms.
    Oh and as far as Corporate welfare..thats the lamest excuse I’ve heard..another justification of Stealing and yes, YOUR BELOVED CONSERVATIVE presidents have been guilty of stealing and somehow thats OK>?
    Look.. I liked Reagan, initially Bush, but at somepoint we all desperately need to wake up and see the crimes comitted against us!!

  • JeffH

    Most don’t understand what the Tea Party movement is. I think the harder one tries, the more one becomes confused. Read up on it.
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Tea_Party_Movement

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  • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

    Frank: Better check on what Scott Brown believes in and how he’s voted in the past, before you “Put all your eggs in one basket”. To me, he was merely a tool to break the Kennedy strangle hold on Massachusetts politics. A precedent setter, if you will. If we ever are foolish enough to form a third party (remember ol’ “H” Ross Perot?), we should call it the “American Party”. Our motto? “I’m an American”. (Think of the “I’m the NRA”, “I’m The Army”, etc. identity/advertising slogans.) i.e.: Whenever, asked or not, speaking in (or writing to, the) public, as either a candidate or ordinary citizen, one could always begin with: “I’m an American”. That would really get the “Progressive’s’ goat. And by that, I mean the media’s as well. They of course, would have to respond with incessant derogatory commentary which would only serve to further galvanize the overwhelming majority of America’s right of center and conservative leaning voters, Republican, Democrat and Independent. “How Sweet It Is”, to quote Jackie Gleason.

  • naturalist

    Don’t put your faith and trust in Scott Brown. He is “McCain-lite”, with us 50% of the time , at best. He lied about abortion, taxes, and the size of government. He does seem to be pro-gun, but I won’t trust him. We will have a better candidate against him here in Taxachusetts in 2012. But watch the mainstream media and Republican fools minimalize the good candidate.

  • Dena

    The Federalist Papers are as legal and binding as the Constitution itself and the Declaration of Independence. The Papers were detailed explanations of the Constitution and used to ratify said Constitution to gain support of it by the States. The Papers and the Master document, Constitution, are as one and the same. WE THE PEOPLE have a written duty to abolish any form of Government that is destructive to our rights and liberties, but for too long, the people have been complacent, fearful of the government while retaining an inferior mentality to assert our authority, the ultimate authority and power over all governments, which is also a written guarantee by our founders. The people may legally abolish such form of government as we have today and revoke the authorities, powers, positions and titles of all in public offices who’ve violated and abridged the Constitutional laws that swore to protect and uphold. The PEOPLE’S DECLARATION OF ABOLISHMENT has been written, is legal and binding, and is an order by, of and for the people against the destructive form of government that is in tyranny, absolute despotism and which has been turned into a socialistic totalitarian machine of corruption. There will be a national public reading of this Declaratin, which the people must show support in its adoption. Read the 1st 2 paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence.

  • Meteorlady

    Dena- thank you. Nice post.

  • Smilee

    The constitution is law the rest are not despite your spin on it, the other documents are good reference but are not part of the supreme law (the Constitution) or laws by congress under the constitution. You may wish it the way you describe it but you are WRONG IN YOUR CONCLUSIONS!!

  • coal miner

    Smiee,Eyes

    Have you heard? A big mine explosion in West Virginian,twenty-five dead.I bet its not following regulations.It is either a scab union or a near scab union.A lot of unions are becoming company unions.IWW is right,modern unions are becoming scabs in the making.JOIN THE IWW.IT IS THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE.Our program will eliminate all governments, all armies and all money systems,(the money system will be replaced by tickets).You work four hours a day and enjoy the fruits of labor.Marxism,capitalism and monarchism will be things of the past.Governments don’t listen,we do.They are all dictatorial and have no respect for human life or rights. Every sense man had started some mode of leadership,we build and shape civilizations. We are constantly evolving.Here are the evolutionary paths we are taking,(to and from),

    I Neanderthal: Savage and tribal rule

    2 Homo Sapiens: Savage,tribal, theocracy, monarchy,Tyranny, democracy and anarchy

    3 anarchy is the final stage of man’s evolutionary rule we can have total freedom.Anarchy means no rule.

    4 The meek will inherit the earth (IWW the fastest growing union)Join today!

    5 lets make it a better and a safer world to live in.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    In response to coal miner, if your thing is set up like a union is, no thanks. I worked in them 13 years, and they are a bad thing for this country. The corruption is rampant. Its like politics. Those at the top spend money like drunken sailors, while collecting it from the sheeple. They take vacations to the Bahama’s with money that was to be re-distributed back to the workers. They pretty much force folks to vote for one certain un-named party that they are in bed with. The work place should not dictate politics to their workers. Ive seen the companies I worked for in the unions lose thousands of dollars a day, because they couldnt fire worthless workers, because of the unions. Im sorry if you disagree, but this is wrong, and detrimental to the companies in America. Between the greedy corporates and the lazy “Im in union” attitude of workers at our automobile plants, is it any wonder to anyone why they were sinking? Come on man, Ive been there and lived it. Its not good. Maybe your coal miner union is, and good for you. But I worked in one plant where there were five unions, the teamsters, the laborers union, IBEW, Machinists and Aerospace Union and the Engineers Union. What a joke it was. I also worked at a place with the graphic communications union. Out of all of these, the only union worth a nickel was the laborers union, who actually did a fine, fine job. They didnt protect buttheads. If a guy was screwing up, they would ask the other guys what the deal was, and if the guys said yes, he is a screw up, they wouldnt stand behind the loser. Not so with all the other ones. Its wrong.

  • Meteorlady

    Love your idea! The States would be in competition with each other for people. If I wanted to be liberal I would live in MASS. or California, etc. They could compete for educated people by providing great schools and colleges. But then when one state gets to be too successful the liberals aren’t generating enough money, they will start creeping in and taking over again. You would need a constitution cast in stone for those type of things or we end up as we are today.

    Everyone wants Ice Cream…..

  • Robert says

    No one party rules in this case. We will still be United States of
    America only without D.C., It never was a state anyway, they signed
    for the loans let them pay’em back. We have to start some where.

  • http://verizon kbab

    Seriously, love your idea.

  • Meteorlady

    Hey he got his point across, so it’s not all bad and I agree.

  • Joel Kruskie

    Myron, try to look at his “poor spelling” as “creative spelling” as I, at times suffer from the same affliction. The intent of point I think was well made if not passionate.

  • California70

    I agree. The man made his point. My spelling suffers at times also, as I type fast and make typo errors too.

    So if the Libs don’t like it…who the heck cares? Why de we have to “nit-pick”. We are all only trying to make a point here.

  • California70

    Let the man alone, he made his point. My spelling suffers at times also, as I type fast and also make typo errors.

    So if the Libs don’t like it…TOO-BAD, who the heck cares?

    Why do we have to “nit-pick”. We are all just trying to make a point here.

  • OBI Wan

    It is stilll better than the party of Lenin we have right now

  • DaveH

    Imagine if term limits were in place right now. The Democrats would run wild with nothing to lose. Term limits are sweet sounding but ineffectual. The only workable solution is to educate the voters in reality.

  • Meteorlady

    Goldwater was a truly honest and straightforward man. He campaigned that way and I think he scared people because he was so honest. He absolutely scared the mainstream media – they crucified him in the news as a hardline nutcase. The American people were not ready for the truth and wouldn’t believe it anyway, and as it turns out he was pretty much dead on. Sort of like the liberal/socialist left today, they believe the swill they have been fed in school, through the news and on TV and it’s become their “normal”.

  • eyeswideopen

    Dr, are you also going to admit that his daughter got an abortion, because it wasn’t convenient as she and her fiance were still in college? His wife helped start the first planned parenthood in their state. Somehow that doesn’t seem as though he was practicing conservatism as we know it today.

  • Meteorlady

    You know here we are on the internet conversing. We probably read stories and soak up what we can find. It’s a powerful medium we have here. Why do you think the government is talking regulating it?

    If we really wanted to we could reach millions through email. We could run a candidate for write-in over the internet. We don’t need a lot of money, just time. Pick a person, start the campaign emails. That would scare the crap out of all those elite adults who rule us presently.

  • http://cantonrep Rep.

    OLD ROSS PEROT WAS 100% RIGHT WHEN HE SAID YOU’LL HEAR A GIANT SUCKING SOUND OF OUR JOBS GOING SOUTH WHEN CLINTON SIGNED IN NAFTA! THAT’S WHAT’S WRONG TODAY! IF EVERYONE WAS WORKING THEN WE WOULDN’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HEALTHCARE!!!

  • DaveH

    Have you read the Libertarian Platform, Yandle? Just in case, here it is:
    http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    Where do you get that they are against religion? They just want freedom from other peoples idea of morality being forced through Big Government.
    The Republicans are no less control freaks than are the Democrats.

  • Yandle

    DaveH,
    If I had not read it, I would not have made a comment about it. I did not mention religion. I commented about God and morals. You and I have already shared comments about that so we need not take space here to repeat ourselves. I have not read any comments by Christians on these posts proposing morality being forced through Big Government. As for your question, I answered it in my comment that you replied to.

  • eyeswideopen

    Dave, Ron Paul is endoring the force of morality by endorsing the John Birchers. You people claim to have a platform, where everyone will be equal, unless it concerns women or gays, or Dems, or minorities. Your platform doesn’t mean too much anymore, since Ron Paul is taking different stances that what is stated in your platform.

  • DaveH

    As Usual, Eyes attacks with Lies. The Libertarian Party endorses Freedom for all people to live their lives as they choose as long as they don’t trespass on the bodies and legally acquired property of others. Libertarians don’t endorse Laws imposed by Government to favor one class of people over another.

    Equality is not something that is forced by Government. When Government passes laws favoring one class of people or the other, that is Inequality. And people will never stop being people with all their attendant faults just because Government says they should. Just as you, Eyes, will never stop being the Board Harpy, just because I say you should. In fact, when Government tries to force acceptance of one class or another, it builds resentment and causes more hatred, not less.

    And, People, please read up on Ron Paul yourselves. Don’t for a minute assume any honesty coming from EyesWideShut.

  • JeffH

    DaveH, I’m sure you realize by now that the moment she see’s your name she comes unglued with envy. She’s so quick to create something negative, she concocts the actual lies in her twisted mind then believes it all to be true, most often without qualified referances or the “links to nowhere”. It’s amazing to me how someone can consistantly put their own delusional spin on something and expect that everyone will believe it. Oh well!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I am a Christian, and I would look that way. What, just tell me now, what is so holy about the Democrats? You know, the guys that not only promote and stand behind murdering babies in their mothers womb, but that they also use our tax dollars to pay to murder them overseas now. What makes them so holy, that they promote one man sleeping with another man as if he was a woman, which God says in an abomination to him. So how can you slam the Libertarians, who do none of this, and leave the democrats a free pass? Just curious. I thought with the left getting a free pass and all, that maybe you work for ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN or MSNBC or something. Just checking.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Yandle, you have attacked DaveH, so let me qualify this. Dave and I have had constructive banter on these posts before. We dont not always disagree, but we never resort to name calling and attacking. Dave is a non-believer, and I am a Chistian. My beliefs do not make him color me in a certain way, and his non belief does not make me color him in a certain way. We are all made different by the God I know and love. Dave doesnt know Him, so should I treat him different and not accept his right to have thoughts and opinions on things? No, I think not. But these things you say about the Libertarian party, I myself have not seen, and I have been looking into them, as, unlike a person who votes democrat, as evidence by their voting of Obama, I choose to educate myself as to who the candidates are, where they are from, what they stand for, what their plan might be, and many other factions. If it doesnt closely match what I envision for this country and for what I stand for, then I wont vote for them. If all their agenda is hidden like Obama’s was, where nothing was ever, and I mean ever revealed about this guy, there is no way in God’s earth I am going to elect them to the highest office in the land. I will not be an uninformed voter, just because someone spent millions of dollars to appear on the brain sucker in my living room thousands of times saying change, change, change, Bush, Bush, Bush. No, I choose to get educated before I vote. That way I know what Im getting into. I know there are millions of people right now wishing they would have done this.

  • Yandle

    Beberoni,
    I did not attack Dave, he attack me. I agree with most everything you comment on and knowing you to be a Christian, I questioned how you would support a party that is for hard drugs, sodomy, polygamy, and prostitution and I do not think you would. I did not say the Democrats and Republicans were right either.

  • Yandle

    Beberoni,
    With all respect, Did I say that I was for the Democrats, No one is against murdering babies in the womb more than I am, I am not for promoting the sin of sodomy, polygamy, and prostitution as the Libertarians are. Do not imply that I said something that is not in my comments. Where did I say that Dave did not have his right to have thoughts and opinions on things? He attacked my comment not the other way around. Beberoni, in these comments, you are on the wrong side. I am a God fearing, solid conservative that is thankful we have a government with the Constitution that we have and I am trying to keep it that way. My principles are base on God’s Word, not some party or man’s opinion.

  • Meteorlady

    Thank you David Long for contributing to the discussion. It was most enlightening. See a good example of constructive discussion in Dana’s post for an example. There are a couple of others that are pretty good also. Read and learn.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    But as much as they have fallen away from Reaganism, they are still standing on much higher ground than the left wing liberals led by the Obamination that are weakening this country daily. Now he wants to tell all the other countries, that we are going to dump our nuclear defenses, while all of them are actively building more and pursuing them, with eventual intent to use them on us. I assure you, we are much worse off with these lepers in charge now. They dont care about America.

  • Rob Alexander

    We’re going to keep getting [offensive word removed] sandwiches from our government until we stop saying [offensive word removed] sandwiches are OK because they’re better than Cyanide sandwiches.

    Every time I hear someone acquiesce to the current state of affairs because “it’s still better than XYZ country”, I wanna smack ‘em! Sorry, had to rant about that.

  • Meteorlady

    Yes – Clinton did leave Bush with a deficit. Generally people also liked to claim that he actually left a surplus. Not true, in fact Clinton claimed a $360 billion reduction in the national debt between FY1998-FY2000, but there was really an increase of $281 billion. So in no year did the debt actually go down.

    With the help of the Federal Reserves monetary policies, Clinton did almost eliminate the deficit but in 9/200 the deficit was $17.9 Billion. Clinton’s last budget, produced a deficit of $95.29 billion.

    This can be verified on the US Treasuries website.

  • Vicki

    Since you seem to be the handler of “real facts” perhaps you would like to share them with us? Along with links to support your “facts”?

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  • denniso

    You’re right,third parties can’t win in our system…so,if the ‘conservatives’ don’t stick w/ the Repubs,where do they go? The tea party?? Funny.
    If ‘conservatives’ don’t want to claim Lincoln,we will…he was flawed,like all men,but nevertheless a great man.
    If the ‘conservatives’ want to claim Palin,Gingrich,Limbaugh,instead, that’s fine w/ the sane people…go ahead and cut your own throats politically.

  • JeffH

    So true…

  • VN Vet

    Too much POT Dave, it’s fried yer friggen brain. I’ve come to the conclusion though that there are democrap operatives that infiltrate these blogs to encourage 3rd party voting, which is a surefire way to keep democraps in power in perpetuity.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Dave, I have looked into a third party choice, and its just not a strong enough one to win yet. Much more organizing is needed, and many more candidates need to be shown. To vote that way at this juncture, at least in my opinion, is to give assured victory to the democrats in the next election. Our country may not survive 4 more years of them, or it may start a revolution, which might be a good thing, I dont know. But I assure you the democrats will stay true to their party, as they cannot ever acknowledge any wrong their party does, and they will continue to support their anti American activity, as the libs are blind sheeples. But I am in weekly contact with soldiers stationed in Baghdad, and Iraq is a place today with much, much more freedom than they ever had. Yes, we have freed them. Yes, the muslim factions of Shite and Baath and Sunni and all the other ones, will forever be killing and blowing up each other, and it may all fall apart, but should we not at least give them a chance at freedom? I think so. So I dont know what you mean when you say “Ask the Iraqi’s, because the guys I talk to weekly, tell me over and over again, how the people still come up and thank them daily for freeing them. I sure hope your not believing what you see on our national news here, because they like to sensationalize any bad things that happen, not nearly as much now that Obama and his lefties are running things, but they sure did when Bush was in office. Liberal agenda. I may not like all the things the Republicans do, but I disagree with them growing government, and they pale in respect to the Democrats on this. The democrats grow social programs, gigantically expanding welfare, food stamps, unemployment, and all these things that people who dont want to work latch on to, and it keeps them dependant on the government. Most of the jobs they have so called created, are government jobs. Now they are going to hire thousands of IRS agents to make sure people are paying their forced health insurance, and to enforce the fines if they dont. We cannot afford them, and for me to vote independant at this point, would know doubt ensure them 4 more years, that I myself dont see as being something we can afford to give them.

  • JeffH

    good catch…

  • eyeswideopen

    Meteorlady, sorry to inform you, but I just got back into town, from a religious retreat for Easter. I always use my own name, and feel no need to hide my idenity from anyone. I don’t comprise my integrity for anyone certainly not for RWA’s.

  • Meteorlady

    I’m pretty conservative and I like her, think she’s spunky, but she’s not my choice for a presidential candidate. She is a media darling to the “right” and a object of ridicule from the “left” (which only means they are afraid of her). Bottom line is she quit….. she quit her job representing the people of Alaska. I don’t much care what her “excuse” is, she quit. She ran off into the big world opened up by her VP run and she is making money! She quit…..

    Would I vote for a woman? Yes I would vote for Condi Rice because she has the experience, and the guts to run for the office of President. Not sure whom else, though there are some good conservative women out there, they lack experience. I want someone with business experience that can get the country going again and has the USA as their number one priority. I want someone who will respect the constitution and the history and traditions of this once great country.

    I want someone who will kick out the lobbyist. Reform campaign financing and get rid of most of the federal government in favor of state’s rights and governance.

  • DaveH

    Sarah is campaigning for John McCain. Enough said.

  • Danny Buckles

    Bob livingston You absolutely amaze me all we need right now is more devision and confusion.That is what got these democrat thugs in office now. So either admit that you are a liberal obamanite. And continue sowing seeds of discord. Or chip in with a little support to unify the people to rid our nation of this pestilence.At least be transparent of your purpose. Why are all liberal defenders and conservative slanderers such pretenders.We need to get behind the republican party now. and your rediculous statement against the religious agenda.sir only GOD can save our nation now.

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    AS IVE READ ALL THAT IS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT THE PARTY OF LINCOLN ON THE SUBJECT,I THINK ABOUT THE WORDS (REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT) IT SEEMS FOR THE LAST TWENTY YEARS THESE TWO PARTIES HAVE NOT DONE THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ,THAT VOTED THEM INTO POWER,THE POINT IS THE FACT THAT THEIR VOTES HAVE BEEN BOUGHT BY SPEICAL INTEREST GROUPS AND LOBBIST THAT HAVE BEEN CONNECTED TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS, EXAMPLE ( CLINTON RENTING OUT WHITE HOUSE ROOMS TO ASIAN LOBBIST ,AND LATER PUSHING (NAFTA THROUGH ,THEN THE WAR LIE BUSH JR. WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION,THE POINT IS THESE TWO PEOPLE FROM DIFFERANT PARTY LINES DID THE SAME THING THEY DID NOT DO AS THE AMERICAN VOTERS WANTED ,THE WORD (TRAITORS) KEEPS COMING UP IN MY REASONING. THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAS BEEN THROWN INTO THE RUBBISH HEAP FOR TO LONG,I SAY TRY THEM ALL FOR TREASON AGINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ,AND LET THE CROOKS IN GOVERNMENT FEEL THE PUBLICS OUTRAGE AS THEY ARE NOT ELECTED TO OFFICE ,DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN ALIKE AND PUT ON THE NATIONAL VOTE ,THE REPEAL OF THE NAFTA TRADE AGREEMENT, AND SEE HOW QUICK THE COMPANIES COME BACK,BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE BROUGHT BACK BY GETTING THE CRAZY FREAKS ( EPA) OFF THEIR BACKS,AND TAXING ALL COMPANIES THAT ARENT HIRING 90 PER CENT OF THEIR WORK FORCE ,THAT ARE LEAGAL CITIZENS OF THIS NATION THEN MAYBE THERE WOULD BE A SMALL CHANCE OF SAVING THIS NATION,BUT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN UNLESS WE RID OUR COUNTRY AND GOVERNMENT OF THE CORRUPTED MAGGOTS ,THAT HAVE SOLD THEIR SOULS TO THE DEVILS THAT CALL THEM SELFS LOBBIST ,WEATHER DOMESTIC OR FOREIGN THEY ARE THE GREATESS OF ALL EVILS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, I WILL VOTE THIS YEAR BUT IN MY EYES BOTH PARTIES ARE TOTALY OWNED BY ANTI-AMERICAN INTEREST, SO I GUESS I AM A LOST VOTER IN THAT I CANT TRUST EITHER PARTY,WHAT A MESS.YOU CANT HAVE A NATION WITHOUT INDUSTRY AND TAXING THE RICH OR THE POOR WONT SOLVE THE MESS THE CROOKS HAVE PUT EVERY PERSON IN THIS NATION IN HARMS WAY,WE ARE ALL AMERICANS WITH A COMMON HERITAGE(THE U.S.CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS,ITS TIME TO FIGHT FOR THEM,VOTE OUT ANYONE THAT SELLS OUT THEIR VOTE TO ANY SPEICAL INTEREST GROUP . PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I HAVE OFFENED ANYONE FOR POSTING THIS ARTICLE,I STILL BELIEVE IN MY FELLOW CITIZENS,FOR WE ALL ARE OF THE SAME TRAIN OF THOUGHT ,THE U.S.A. FIRST AND PROTECT OUR FAMILIES AND NATION ABOVE ALL OTHERS.

  • Meteorlady

    But we have largely ignored them for years and look what we have? While I agree with what you say, most of it anyway, you can’t just keep you head in the sand until they come for everything you own and worked for.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    If you want anarchy, and to live like it was in the Mad Max movies, which was total anarchy, then move to the streets of Somalia or some other lawless area. I would never ever want to live like that.

  • Meteorlady

    Congress and their health care and retirement seem to be a big common myth in this country. It’s as if you say it enough it is true. I’m sorry, but the same retirement plan as applies to all federal employes. Members of congress and both house members and senators are subject to 6.2% Social Security tax on wages up to $108,600 as well as their full salary into the Federal Employee’s Retirement System. They belong to the Civi Service Retirement System if they were elected prior to 1984 and can elect to remain in that system.

    Eligible members of congress become eligible for a pension at age 62 after at least 5 years of service. They pay 1.8% of their first $108,600 of salary into the Civil Service retirement fund. After that amount they can contribute 8% to the fund. Once a member retires, their Civil Service pension is reduced by the amount of SS received that can be attributed to the retirees time in Congress.

    So the average annuities for retired members were $64,696 for those who retired under CSRS and $36,732 for those who retired under FERS. While this is a pretty good retirement annuity and it’s actually better than most executives with similar incomes, it’s not quite as over the top as most make it out to be.

  • VN Vet

    Right on Jeff. I say…no to Obumbofare, and yes to the Patriot Act. I say No to Democraps and Libertarians and Yes to Republicans. Only an ignoramus would maintain there’s no difference between democraps and republicans. At present we have a perfect comparison, if we really needed one, of the two parties to juxtapose. Yes, republicans are a little left of the Constitution right now, but the democraps are left of Lenin. Libertarians are too screwed up to be relevant.

  • VN Vet

    Doug, Sally, follow me…the Unsubscribe is right down here at the bottom of the screen. Libertarians are fruitcakes. They’re as dangerous to liberty as the Leftists, whom they paradoxically share too much ideology.

  • Jim H.

    I see statements like, we can’t vote 3rd party because we will divide the conservative vote. If we vote republican we could just get another RINO. True statements. Illinois had its primary already and for senator we have a choice of a lib or a rino. In our county we had 20% voter turn out. If you want a conservative candidate it’s important to get out and vote in the primaries. Don’t be like Kane county. Primaries are just as important as the general elections.

  • Joe H.

    Victoria D,
    I now believe you are a lib!! They are the ones that demand college education. Not all people that have trouble with spelling are stupid!!! Some people have PHDs and ARE stupid!!! Educated fools they’re called!!!

  • California70

    I call ‘em “EDUCATED DERELICTS”!

  • Joe H.

    JeffH,
    I understand them, I just wish they could lower their stand to run a candidate!!!!

  • DaveH

    So True.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    MikeC,
    Name one presidential race that the independent won in the last 48 years?!?!?!?

  • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

    The lessor of two evils is still an evil. Vote for who you want, not who they give you.

  • MikeC

    Joe H. I love that philosophy! So, stop whining and make a difference!

  • DaveH

    Danny,
    Do you have a problem with truth? Both Democrats and Republicans have grown Government to its current Gargantuan Size. Why should we vote for Republicans who also don’t respect our Freedom? Bob Livingston is spot on, and he is trying to wake the voters up who foolishly embrace the Republican leaders as the couriers of our Freedom. They are not!

  • http://Google Victoria Dwyer

    Oh yeah that’s smart. Close your mind even more. buh bye

  • DaveH

    Oh yeah, and VN Vet is just the font of Liberty. That’s why his comments consist of the same kind of manipulative name-calling, ridicule, and other personal attacks that are employed by Liberals who also aren’t capable of carrying on a civil conversation with facts instead of personal attacks.

  • DaveH

    Vet,
    Follow me – you are as great a threat to our Freedom as the Democrats are. Don’t confuse forcing your way on others as Freedom. It isn’t.

  • coal miner

    VN Vet,

    A correctly chosen metaphor.I couldn’t said it any better.My favotite is, nuttier than a candy bar.At least you are honest.Welcome to the blog

  • http://?? Joe H.

    JeffH,
    Haven’t seen Stephaan lately, hope hes still around!!! I’ve known him on the sites for a good while now. Even cr747 hasn’t been around much either!!!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    s c,
    Reminds me of an old saying in a mechanics garage I used to go to. He had a sign on the wall that said Speed costs Money, how fast do you want to go??? The only difference here is Freedom costs work, how Free do you want to be??? We need to get out and work people. We need to make noise to make people hear us. when they go to the booth, we need to be fresh on their minds!!!! It starts at the primaries to get the conservatives in to the race then make the people remember their names!!!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    meteorlady,
    she quit out of a sense of duty to the Alaskan people. She could not give them her full attention as they deserve and fight all the liberal lawsuits they had brought against ther. Which I might add, she beat got all of them dropped for no case except one minor misdemeanor!!!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    DaveH,
    Maybe she feels he can’t win even if she does help him!!!! that way she gets his favor paid without hurting the people!!! I know I don’t think hes got a chance even with her help!!! I think he should just pick his place in the pasture!!!!

  • DaveH

    Joe,
    I sure hope you’re right, but we have tried to get rid of McCain in the past and it has failed. I will keep my fingers crossed. By the way, I respect Sarah as a very good human being. I just don’t think she would reduce the size of Government.

  • eyeswideopen

    Meteorlady, you might be confusing the national debt with the deficit. http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Data_on_National_Debt_by President

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Clinton was the master of smoke and mirrors, and telling all those slick willy lies, that people bought into what he was selling. It used to be that parents told kids, “Youll go to hell for lying”. Now, they say, “Youll end up in the Clinton cabinet for lying”.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    JeffH,
    I got a big Thanksgiving present for smelly above you there. I’m just afraid he isn’t gonna like much!!!! And I’m even gonna give it to him early, too!!! Whata ingrate!!!! when he sees all those conservative politicos win and won’t he be suprised??? I gonna laugh so haaaaarrrrrddd!!!!!!!

  • eyeswideopen

    Jeff, you and Soros need to get a hotel and just duke it out. He is no worse that the Republican big donors, who do the same manipulating of the masses. Get a gripe and realize that both parties have been purchased by the rich.

  • http://Google Victoria Dwyer

    It’s people like you, who prefer festering old hatred rather than actually contributing to America’s future that scare the hell out of people like me.

  • Yandle

    Meteorlady, When your TV is on, Listen and you will have the inside information. Libertarians devote whole TV programs pushing to get hard drugs to our children by legislation, sodomy, polygamy, prostitution, etc. That is morals and that is why nations fall. If we want freedom, we must have morals.

  • http://Google Victoria Dwyer

    Frank, you make a lot of sense.

  • http://Google Victoria Dwyer

    Oh no! Europe and Asia are destroyed? Did this happen today? It wasn’t on FOX.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    They mock and they attack, because they are afraid. Ive seen this before. The jewish leaders did this to Jesus as he was a threat to their leadership.

  • JeffH

    Geez dummy, didn’t I just say some Repulicans have sold out also, or is that just too much for you to absorb? You might hate my Soros references and you might not believe that there is a higher power pushing Obama’s agenda to fully socialize America, but if you spent half as much time doing some honest research on the gut you might quit making stupid comments and being the board harpy and board hypocrit. You might even learn something.

  • DaveH

    Wow, EyeWideShut must be drinking. She actually included the Democrats in her accusations. It’s about time.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Did you read his post at all, or just jump to conclusions. And Soros should be kicked out of this country, and all those, IN ALL PARTIES, that have accepted money from him, should be forced to go in front of an inquiry board to see what kind of underhanded dealings they have going on with this known anti-American.

  • http://Google Victoria Dwyer

    Uh Rob, both sandwiches sound awful but if I had to choose it would be the latter.

  • http://Google Victoria Dwyer

    oops… the former… sorry

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    The thing is, I dont want a sandwich from the government. I want them to take care of the roads and bridges, the military, and our other infrastructures, and then get out of my life. I dont need them administering health care, or social agencies giving handouts to people who refuse to work. I need to be smaller, and less intrusive to my life. I want them to manage the police force, and fire departments. I dont depend on them for my retirement. They need to go away, and take care of the things I listed, and stay out of the things I listed.

  • George E

    If third party folks (Conservatives, Libertarians, Constitutionalists, etc.) aren’t strong enough to capture the Republican Party and make it into what they want, how in the world will they ever be strong enough to do anything more than splitting the vote and ensuring continuation of socialist policies being peddled by the Democratic Party? This logic leads me to conclude that a third party is NOT the practical solution for getting where we want to go. None of the alternatives offer an easy solution to our problem, but reclaiming the Republican Party is the best answer. You may note that the socialists didn’t create a third party to get in power. They claimed dominance over the Democratic Party because they could see that was the fastest way of getting to the top. Think about this issue from a practical point of view.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Problem is, the democrats are going to stay united, and vote for their guys only, because they are so blind they dont see the destruction of this country that these guys are pulling off right under all of our eyes. If Republican voters seek to “punish” their party by some voting for the Independants, this will insure another Democrat victory, and Im sorry Tom, but brother, we cannot afford another 4 years of these guys. We may be declared a muslim nation by then and have Arabic language being taught here replacing Spanish. I would fully agree the same old same old isnt working, and that the Republicans need to get back to their true conservative base, but until the Independants produce some top quality individuals that can rally a large enough voting base to actually win, this for now just guarantee’s a left wing liberal win, and we cannot afford that now.

  • http://Americac2c usfrog

    Absolutely right. It’s political suicide. You want a multi-party system, move to Europe. The DNC will never be conservative. The only choice is to take over the Repubs and force them to do as we want. Check out Freedom Force.

  • DaveH

    My Brain is fried and you keep advocating the same failed policies that got us where we are now?
    Einstein’s definition of insanity:
    “Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.

    And notice Vet is using the same techniques of name-calling as do the Liberals who in lieu of facts must use manipulative tactics to win a debate. I think you are the plant, Vet.

  • JC

    The so called “war on drugs” has only increased crime. Funny though isn’t it, that BigPharma gets a pass with things that require a 5 minute warning on all the side efects it might have, up to and including death.
    Hypocrites!

  • Robert says

    Here is one for you Harold, sometimes ir’s best to put down the mighty
    pen and take the cold metal to the meat.

  • Give me a Break!

    Sorry a little off subject, but I have to comment on the RNC so- called conspiracy. A democrat/Liberal tactic, to steer the votes away from the republican party this November. These guys are so desperate, that they’ll continue to find any dirt they can to discredit the Gop. The one saying that comes to mind is, ” he who is without sin cast the first stone”, if the Democrats were really sincere about anything they say or do, nothing like this would be brought up. So that leaves only one question, with all the secret backroom deals,lies and deceptions we have seen with our own eyes committed by this party, Why would or should any of us believe anything these people have to say? We Don’t! Nice try Dems, come November the truth will prevail!

  • Merl Elton

    Spot on regarding what needs to be done to save the country. In Washington, it is essentially a big, fun spending spree, party down; at the expense of taxpayers.

  • Merl Elton

    The Tea Party is false maligned for political purposes. Anyone who disagrees is discredited or destroyed.

  • GuyinFlorida

    The Dems have been a socialist leaning party for many many years. The real truth is the right left paradigm only keeps us going back and forth and there is very little difference, if any, between parties. You can see this by watching what Obama has done. He is not only following Bushes policies but expanding on them. No difference. The thought of trying to resurect the Republican party and disregarding the possibility of building a new Costitutional minded party will not change anything. As a matter of fact, when Ross Perot was running the word out from both parties was that we would be splitting the vote so the Dems would vote Dem and the Repubs would vote repubs. You see…no change. Anyone that thinks that a third party can’t win is right!!! If they don’t vote for alternative candidates, nothing will change and we will be sitting around for the next several elections with statis Quo. Personally, I will no longer vote for any Dem or Repub. If that is a waste of my vote, so be it. At least the powers that be will know that I am completely opposed to their marxist agenda. Just saying.

  • Merl Elton

    A representative must be absolutely immune to the strongest flattery and affectations; immune to fabulous personal cash and benefit offerings; impervious to bullying and ostracism to do the will of the people; it is as simple as that. Unfortunately, we have now have a group of spineless suckers who disregard the will of the people with impunity and often reward.

  • Renee D

    Not old hatred. Just the truth. We southrons are actually a different culture. The war was fought over money. The slave issue did not come into play until the 3rd year of the war. Look up the nullification movement before the war. These were the real issues. We have not been under constitutional law since the civil war. We are under commercial law thanks to Lincoln. The town I’m from was burnt to the ground. You can still see bullet holes in the sides of houses where I live now. We live with history every day and it wasn’t that long ago in the big scheme of things. Oh, and I don’t know anyone whose families held slaves. That was for rich people which most of us were not.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Im from the North, and I dont see what they say as being hate filled. I actually have often pondered, just how much better off this nation would be had the South won the war. I still believe slavery would have ended, and I also believe we wouldnt be suffering from political correctness these days. There is no way if the South won, that we would have lawyers representing caught terrorists, and having lawyers imprisoning our military guys for shooting at such terrorists. No, they would do the right thing, and militarily execute these terrorists, instead of releasing them so that they can re-organize and come back to try to kill us again, which they all do. They will also pin a medal on our soldiers for their valiant duty. Yes, I believe we would live in a much safer, much better United States of America had the south won.

  • eyeswideopen

    Berb, Our Constitution demands that all persons have representation before the courts. Guess you are anti-American aren’t you, as you really don’t believe in the Constitution at all. Jesus needs to come soon before the radical Christian right gets any more power and does the entire world in with their hatred and violence towards others. Oh boy, it is very hard to listen to the diatribe the RWA’s put forth while proclaiming to follow Jesus’ word.

  • JeffH

    Top RNC Fundraiser Resigns Over Steele Controversy
    Monday, 05 Apr 2010 01:20 PM

    The resignation of perhaps the Republican National Committee’s No. 1(Sam Fox) fundraiser sent another signal Monday of ongoing turmoil within the organization.

    Fox was “one of the RNC’s few remaining connections to the deep-pocketed Republican establishment and was viewed as the heaviest hitter among its fundraisers,”
    http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/steele-obama-rnc-fundraiser/2010/04/05/id/354784?s=al&promo_code=9B2D-1

  • Joel Kruskie

    I’m up for that Robert and I have the history to prove it!

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    And that my friend, is the true problem with politicians. They are almost always lawyers, you know, the same guys that have prostituted our legal system to where it doesnt work anymore. The same guys that attack the innocent and free the guilty. The same guys that want to give lawyers to terrorists caught trying to kill us, yet imprison our guys for shooting them. They are the biggest liars, the biggest cheats, and the most immoral segment of America, and we let them become our political leaders. No wonder things are such a mess. We are led by the immoral, unscrupulous, greediest windbags on the face of the earth.

  • Kim Millard

    C’mon Bob. Trashing Lincoln is NOT the way to win the hearts of Conservatives, no matter how much spin you put on his presidency 145 years after the fact.

  • Smilee

    I GOT A CRYING TOWEL ALL READY FOR YOU JEFFIE

  • Smilee

    AND JOEY

  • JeffH

    Smilee, Polly want a cracker? baaarrraaaccckkk!

  • http://none Janet

    We must not return to the party of Lincoln. We must elect new leaders.
    http://www.savenevadasguns.com/
    When our friends vote like an enemy we can’t turn this country around.

  • Normal Guy

    Dave H

    You never provide facts just rhetoric from Libertarian think tanks and Wikipedia entries.

    You are all about attacking and always spouting that you are beyond that – quite the hypocrite I think. If you want to spit poison go ahead but don’t cry foul when others do the same.

    I must add that it is clear that none of the right wingers on this thread love America, they love their idea of what it should be not what it is, or what it has been. The reality is that this country is great because of the decisions made and actions taken by Lincoln and many others. The US has risen to become the greatest nation the world has ever seen because of the strength of the union. All those that want to break up this country are little better than the moronic terrorists like McVeigh. The federal nature of this country has served us all well. The nation that you all dream about and espouse has never existed, and never will. Thank God.

  • denniso

    I’m kind of pleased to watch DaveH recruiting ‘conservatives’ here. He’s helping to fragment the Repub party in his misguided attempt to
    grow the libertarian party. We’re seeing more of this kind of infighting among the Repubs,like this article…conservatives have always loved Lincoln,and now some want to disown him…who do they have left to look to as their hero? Reagan? Hoover?

  • DaveH

    Doesn’t religion teach people how to respect their fellow human being? I think it’s time to start attending Sunday School, Yandle, and re-learn how to respect others.

  • DaveH

    Here are various comments from Yandle, the poor innocent flower (note that two of his comments are just plain slanderous):

    “The Libertarian Party? The party of ‘no morals’, ‘no God’”

    “Are you in a dark corner with your ears and eyes closed?”

    “Libertarians devote whole TV programs pushing to get hard drugs to our children by legislation, sodomy, polygamy, prostitution, etc.”

    “You do not know what you are talking about, period. You are wrong on all points.”

  • DaveH

    We don’t push any such thing, Yandle. We merely don’t believe it is our business to save people from themselves. And we recognize the futility of trying to stop people from harming themselves. I would submit that we are actually more moral than the people you champion. We don’t kill innocent people in a quest to force our morality on others as do the Republicans (drug wars). We don’t abuse people in a quest to save them from themselves as do the Republicans (vice crimes). Don’t confuse Bullying people with Morality, Yandle.

  • Yandle

    DaveH. You do not know what you are talking about, period. You are wrong on all points. I have read a watched Libertarians and what I have stated is correct. I have never Bullied anyone nor do Christians, BUT that is exactly what you are trying to do with your comment to me and it is not working. You are wasting your time and mine because YOU are dead wrong, DaveH.

  • DaveH

    Oh, yeah, You have watched Libertarians. That proves you are right. Not. I have watched many religious hypocrits. Does that mean all religious people are hypocrits? Of course not. Your grasp of logic is weak.

  • Yandle

    DaveH,
    And where do you get your political information if not by sight and sound, or do you get your information by taste, smell, or by touch? Maybe you have a sixth sense that the rest of us do not have. Why do you place so many links in these posts if you do not want people to use their sight? It sounds like you spend a lot of time watching the religious so that you may call them names as you have spend a lot of time on this post attacking the person instead of the subject just like on this post you have attacked eyeswideopen over and over. When I sit and watch a one hour TV program where Libertarians are pushing drugs, polygamy, and prostitution my logic is right on. You may use these posts to push Libertarians but you do not believe others should have freedom of speech to tell what Libertarians stand for.I stand for TRUTH.

  • JeffH

    Yandle, you’re a little short sighted and obviously haven’t been around long enough to “see” both sides of this picture. Believe it, DaveH hasn’t waiverd from his beliefs since I’ve been here and anything he dishes out is well deserved. I’m not a Libertarian, Democrat or Republican and don’t always agree with his views. I’ve taken my fair share of critisizm and fully believe in giving it back twice as hard, often time to the point of excess. You must realize, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
    Oh, I’m not speaking for DaveH either, I know he is more than capable of speaking for himself.

  • DaveH

    I attack religious people, Yandle? Show me an example of those attacks. First you manufacture accusations of Libertarians, then you manufacture accusations of me attacking religious people. Do you expect people on this board who know my comments to give you any credibility at all?

    You are given to Hyperbole.

  • Yandle

    JeffH,
    So, You think I am a ‘ little short sighted’ because I stand for morals. I will believe God’s Word over man’s every time with no apologies. I am aware “DaveH hasn’t waiverd from his beliefs” nor do I intend waiver in my belief in God and His Word. You say I “obviously haven’t been around long enough to “see” both sides of this picture”, well Jeff, I have been watching “this picture” of this country going down for over a half century and will continue to stay informed if God be willing to give me life. As for what an atheist “dishes out is well deserved” I beg to differ with you.

  • Yandle

    DaveH,

    I did not use the words “attack religious people”, I said “attacking the person instead of the subject” and this post testifies that you do just that, as here YOU attack me, I did not start this, YOU did. I did not “manufacture” any comment; I stated is simple fact, period.

  • libertytrain

    Good grief – I can’t understand your constant need to attack people and attack you do. Not very Christian of you. Now you are focused on Dave – who is next – probably me but have at it.

  • Yandle

    Mr. Beberoni Sir,
    With all respect, Did I say that I was for the Democrats? No one is against murdering babies in the womb more than I am, I am not for promoting the sin of sodomy, polygamy, and prostitution as the Libertarians are. Do not imply that I said something that is not in my comments. Where did I say that Dave did not have his right to have thoughts and opinions on things? He attacked my comment not the other way around. Beberoni, in these comments, you are on the wrong side. I am a God fearing, solid conservative that is thankful we have a government with the Constitution that we have and I am trying to keep it that way. My principles are base on God’s Word, not some party or man’s opinion.

  • DaveH

    Reid is out of there in November and he knows it. So, don’t expect any amount of petitioning to change his mind.

  • DaveH

    Normal Liberal,
    I back up my statements far more than do you. And, unlike you, I only resort to personal attacks when a person like you draws first blood. And, unlike you, I don’t make up facts out of thin air.

    You are a Legend in your own Mind, Liberal, and that is the only place you will ever achieve that status.

  • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

    McVeigh didn’t put the four bombs inside the building.

  • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

    Dave H., McVeigh didn’t put the four bombs inside the building.

  • eyeswideopen

    Hands clapping!!! Very well said.

  • JeffH

    I almost had to read it twice, but knew I’d throw up, so I didn’t. You’ll notice that she couldn’t bring herself to outright say the word “Democrats” though.

  • http://cantonrep Rep.

    You are so right! I didn’t care till this last year! Let’s just say that being unemployed for almost a year has shown me the light! I registered to vote and am awaiting the next step! I have been a machinist for 15 years. I can’t find work because of Clinton’s NAFTA! I currently got certified in welding and am still searching! Just got certified 2/18. We need jobs to be independent from federal government BS. VOTE IN NOVEMBER!!!

  • coal miner

    Beb,

    Scab factories do the same thing.You ever heard the word favoritism?When the mining company was changing location, I took a temporary job at a local factory.The boss I work for had his favorites.There was one character that was constantly missing and sometimes didn’t bother calling in.He was about the sorriest son of bitch I ever knew,he had the nick name Sh**t house Bill.He was in the restroom biggest part of the time,smoking and taking cat naps.The others had to pick up his work load.He was very good at butt kissing and ratting on his co workers.He also quit with out giving notice.There was one employee who actually called in and was off three days,his car broke down.He was fired.Why didn’t he fire Bill Nunnely? What is fair for goose is also fair for the gander.We got no goods in union as well as non union places.Like I said;take a good look at the scab coal mining company in West Virginia,twenty five lives were lost.There were 450 violations and look at the frightful cost.For the past three years they have being complaining to the governor about the working and safety conditions.The scab conserative governor ignored them.All he now gives is condolences.You got to have a strong union work force and make sure this doesn’t happen again.People should look into IWW,the union of the future.PEOPLE COMES FIRST!

  • Give me a Break!

    Now the Liberals and their main stream media has gone to far! Its time for America to wake up and see who are really the ones that are racist in this country! I am sick and tired of the Democrats lying constantly about what the tea party movement is trying to promote, and now their saying that anyone who is black and is supporting this movement is taking the heat for what they say is a mostly white group. Now the Liberals are calling them traitors, Oreos and Uncle toms, and for what, just because they support a movement that has nothing to do with race or politics, just a group of Americans that don’t want their freedoms taken away. This whole thing has gone beyond pathetic, its become one side against the other. We as a country will not survive if this mind set isn’t stopped. We as conservatives, have tried to reason with these people to no avail, and now they are willing to turn on their own race because blacks have to belong to the Democratic party to be accepted. There’s no doubt in my mind who the real racists are, and now as Conservatives, we need to open our arms even more to the minority of people who believe in Conservatism, and prove that everyone is important no matter what their skin color is. These Liberals and this administration has only showed us how narrowed minded they really are, by their actions and their accusations. This isn’t what America stands for, we are a nation of people who stand together as one, no matter what race, creed or religion we are, WE ARE AMERICANS!

  • DaveH

    I agree JC. The drug warriors run around breaking into homes like Nazis to “protect” us. Yet we can’t watch TV without regularly being assaulted by one drug-promoting commercial or another.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    They have no intention of stopping drug flow. It is a billion dollar business fighting it. People on the borders and in the DEA are getting paid off way more than what they make stopping it, and they look the other way. As long as we have crooked lawyers running our politics, they will continue to be bought off with special interest monies, not only by drug dealers, but by all kinds of special interest groups, you know, like the unions, the environmentalist, GM,Chrysler, Oil companies, ACLU, and many others, mostly left wing organizations.

  • Normal Guy

    DaveH

    Always the same one trick pony aren’t you Dave. Always all those terrible liberals that you have to lash out at, they force you to be uncivil.

    Typical rhetoric, from a single concept, narrowly focused, simplistic solution, and research challenged ideologue.

    Try something other than Cato and Mise, there are lots of ideas on how to solve economic solutions. The answer rarely resides in some “simple” solution. Libertarianism has some reasonable concepts and lots of bad ones, try a little reality, oh by the way, most would not call me a liberal, just on this site, a place of one extreme viewpoint.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    It is said that almost half the voter base sits home and doesnt vote, and they are the ones that complain about things the most. That is one thing the democrats are good at, mobilizing their voter base, well, that and getting dead people, illegal aliens and all kinds of people that cant vote, to somehow vote for them. Dont know how they do it, but they do it. Kennedy 1960.

  • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

    Since the Constitution requires birth on US soil in the United States, neither Obama nor McCain were or are qualified.

  • PaulS

    As I read all of the posts here, it strikes me that we are the voices of the American people and
    we are being ignored. We all want to do something that can be effective in restoring the will
    of the people and we look back to the words of our fore fathers for guidance. But the people
    we look too and try to emulate weren’t the common people of their time, they were the elected representatives of their time who were meeting in Philadelphia and Boston to try and come up with solutions to the tyranny of their king. Maybe the solution to our problems
    should be solved similarly, by running state elections here on the internet to elect a group of people from each state to represent our views. Let the internet become our method of coming together in a united voice that we can utilize. Right now we are thousands writing individual ideas and views. This makes us feel a little better like we are doing something, but we are preaching to the choir. We aren’t really accomplishing anything until we make ourselves into a power to be reckoned with. Can I get any support or alternate views on this?

  • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

    Both parties of our government had to collateralize its debt somehow, and they hit upon the plan of quietly setting aside huge tracts of American land with their mineral rights in reserve to cover the outstanding debts. But the government couldn’t very well admit that they were apportioning off chunks of the United States to the holders of foreign debt. So, they invented the Environmental Protection Agency and passed draconian environmental laws which served to grab land with vast natural resources away from the owners and lock it away, and even more, prove to the holders of the foreign debt that US citizens were not drilling. mining, or otherwise developing those resources. From that day to this, as the government sinks deeper into debt, the government grabs more and more of OUR land, declares it a wilderness or “roadless area” or “heritage river” or “wetlands” or any one of over a dozen other such obfuscated labels, but in the end the result is the same. We The People may not use the land, in many cases are not even allowed to enter the land.
    This is not about conservation, it is about collateral. OUR land is being stolen by the government and used to secure loans with China to fight wars the government really had no business starting in the first place. Given that the government cannot get out of debt, and is collateralizing more and more land to avoid foreclosure, the day is not long off when “We The People” of the United States will one day wake up and discover WE are no longer citizens, but tenants.
    In short, the United States is in deep trouble. We have lost a huge amount of our manufacturing capacity, and those products we still make do not compete well on the world market, despite the steady devaluation of the dollar. In short we have vast debts to pay and little to pay them with. Like the foolish farmer we have sold the machinery that allowed us to prosper, and we stand around shaking our investment portfolios back and forth in the hopes that the money inside will somehow grow all by itself. It won’t. It never has. It would seem “WE” can’t trust the government to look out for “our” best interests

  • DaveH

    Isn’t it funny? The pot calling the kettle black. All I see in most of your comments is name-calling, ridicule, condescension, and misinformation. I get more intelligent debates from my 10 year old grandson.

  • JeffH

    Only in your dreams dumb one, only in your dreams!

  • JeffH

    Meant for dennisso…

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    And when the government gets itself big enough to give you everything, they are also big enough to take away everything.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    But the way I see it, and many others, that in regards to Obama, the media, and himself, never divulged anything about him, as to his qualifications, where he is from, where he is going, what his plans are, his relationships to people like Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers and Tony Rezko and many others. None of this was dug into by the left wing liberal media, and none of it was exposed to the voting public. So for someone to pull the lever next to his name and vote for him, they are not an informed voter as you state, because not knowing any of this stuff, would make people that voted for him uninformed.

  • Ruby

    I’ve read the arguments (pro and con) regarding term limits, and sympathize with either arguments. However, I fear that without term limits, the majority of voters would not be diligently following a congressperson to determine if it’s time to end their term. I lean toward term limits just like the presidency. They may be elected again after 1 absent term, if they so desire.

    One thought would be to limit the terms to a larger number, like 5. I don’t want to see good congresspeople be corrupted like Rangel, Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, etc.

  • Yandle

    DaveH,
    I am not the one calling people names here Dave, you are.

  • Yandle

    DaveH,
    Thanks for repeating my facts for me, BUT you do not see me calling people names as you do. I just stated accurate facts.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    But homeboy is in error when he says satan is in control. No, God is in control. We just have the free will to accept what he has for us, and too many of us say no, then satan’s influence takes control.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    The least we can do, in serving our country, is to vote out the anti-American democrats as soon as possible. When they are being run by a foreign anti-American in George Soros, its not a good thing.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I dont think we can survive another 4 years of them. By then they will have all their safeguards put in place for them to announce their socialist dictatorship which they are dying for.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I would love to vote in something new like this Dave, I just dont see them having a chance, and no one even knows any candidates they would run. Maybe Ron Paul? Who knows. And that is the problem. Just as last year when the Republicans announced McCain, I knew it was all over. I knew we were screwed, and so did American business’s and everyone else. Im hoping to get better news this year. I do guarantee you, that if Sarah Palin announced she was running as an Independant, whether Libertarian or something else, my vote would go there. I truly believe that she believes in a strong America, where America comes first.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    I agree. Moderate means, Im a liberal but I dont want you to think that about me.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Its plain and simple, what ever you do, vote AGAINST the democratic party, if you give a darn about America. Thats the best advice I have.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Thank you very much. Good post.

  • Normal Guy

    DaveH

    As usual you respond from only your point of view. I don’t care if you attack me Dave, I expect it, what I don’t like is the position you take – poor innocent me.

    You are clearly an opinionated, hateful person, very closed minded but you play the part of the rational, reasonable man. Anyone who disagrees with you, and my guess would be that probably 95% of Americans are in that group, is attacked, horrible liberals, right Dave.

    Anyhow Dave as I have always said, Libertarianism is a bad idea, if you base it on the founding fathers vision you should understand that the America they lived in had five cities with a population greater than 10,000 people. The citezens were primarily farmers. The Libertarian experiments in our age, New Zealand, Chile, Britain under the Friedman experiment, and Iceland who under the Libertarian vision, deregulated and exposed their banks to the global meltdown bankrupting the country.

    Now you can unleash your personal attacks as I am an evil liberal who disagfrees with what I think are dopey Libertarian concepts, away you go.

  • Johnny

    DaveH just likes to fight. He’s over educated and lacks common sense. These people don’t realize the world has changed around them. They want to go back to colonial times. You know when there was no healthcare. Of course there were no cures then either. Your leg got an infection? get out the saw so we can cut it off. Let the country split into 2 – 3 – or 4 countries. Never mind all of the people all over the world that have been helped by the United States in some way simply because Lincoln did what had to be done to keep the Union. Can anyone other than Bob Livingstong say that was a mistake and we would be better off today?

  • coal miner

    Beb,

    Fools run government!Government runs fools! JOIN THE IWW TODAY!THE FASTEST GROWING UNION.

  • JC

    You tell em Kamrade! You tell the World!

  • eyeswideopen

    Coal miner, very sad day. Greed is killing this country.

  • MikeC

    They need to stay out of the business of running the police and fire departments, too. That should be done on the local level!

  • angel-wanna-be

    If the repubs wanna win seats in November they’d better, get the facts!__First of all, Knock off all these damn empty, hair brain promises, With no intension of following through WITH THEM, once in office!__If ANY politician runs on whatever plateform they choose, they’d better be prepared to defend it and be damned HONEST ABOUT IT!___Because we are sick and tired of the lies on both sides and I’m a repub!__If THE WET BEHIND THE EARS POLITICIANS, want to make a serious run, they’d better be pre-prepared and know first hand, WHAT THEY CAN CHANGE, AND WHAT THEY CAN’T change once in office. THIS IS NO TIME FOR TRAINING CAMP!_-WE NEED HONEST, UPRIGHT INDIVIDUALS WHO BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION, WHO ARE WILLING TO UP HOLD THE CONSTITUTION, AND WHO ARE WILLING TO SAY NO MORE SPENDING AND TAXES, DESPITE THE DESPERATE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY, TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING PASSED BEFORE THEY GET THROWN THE HELL OUT OF OFFICE!!__WASHINGTON IF YOU WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO HAVE A RENEWED CONFIDENCE IN YOU, THEN YOU BETTER START EARNING IT!__YOU’D BETTER START LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE!____TO THOSES CAMPAIGNING FOR OFFICE IN NOVEMBER, DON’T USE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, MERELY AS A WAY TO RETAKE THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE,AND EXPECT TO DO NOTHING!___ DON’T BOTHER RUNNING FOR OFFICE, IF YOU CAN’T CONVINCE US THAT YOU REALLY GIVE A DAMN ABOUT AMERICA AND NOT YOUR CAREERS!__WE NEED GRASS ROOTS FOLKS, WHO LOVE THIS COUNTRY, AND WHO CAN WILLINGLY TURN THEIR HEADS WHEN THE SIRENS OF WASHINGTON CORRUPTION CALLS!!___NO MORE LIES!!!

  • libertytrain

    How funny – all the Shane-named boys I’ve ever known were Southern-grown boys.

  • California70

    To Shane:

    You are really sarcastic! Can’t you just manage to state your disagreement with the rhetoric without sarcasism? Oh! you must be one of those lawyers that have been ruining our political system.

  • coal miner

    DaveH,

    You are quoting the same liberal again.

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    TO PAULS THAT IDEA IS EXCELLENT TO USE A WEB SITE TO VOTE BEFORE THE NATIONAL ELECTIONS,TO GET THE REAL VEIWS OF THE LEAGAL AMERICAN VOTERS AND TO UNITE THE NORMAL AMERICAN PEOPLE RICH AND POOR IN THE COMMON INTEREST OF SAVING THIS NATION AND IF NEED BE USED AS A TOOL TO DE-LICE BOTH AMERICAN NATIONAL PARTIES OF THE BOUGHT OFF ELECTED REPRESENTIVES THAT HAVE SOLD OUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLES LIVES AND INDUSTRY HERE IN THE UNITED STATES ,THE SAD FACTS ARE FOR THE LONGEST TIME BOTH PARTIES HAVE ACTED MORE LIKE THE AGENTS OF OTHER NATIONS,THAN OUR ELECTED EMPLOYEES,( PUBLIC SERVANTS) THEY ACT MORE LIKE SELF SERVING TYRANTS,I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A SITE LIKE THAT ONLY IF IT HAD A VOTING BOX SAYING, THESE PEOPLE BELOW ARE TOTALY UNEXCEPTABLE ,OF COURSE THEIR NAMES WOULD HAVE TO BE FILLED IN ,IN THAT WAY THOSE CANIDATES COULD BE CULLED OUT BEFORE THE REAL ELECTION,SO A REAL WINNER COULD BE PRESENTED IN THE NOV.ELECTION, NOT SOME BOUGHT OUT HYPE ARTIST,AND IF THEY SOLD THEIR VOTE OUT TO LOBBIST THE PARTY WOULD THROW THEM OUT FOR LIFE! THE END RESULT WOULD BE EVERY PERSON THAT IS LOYAL TO THE CONSTITUTION WOULD VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT WOULD PROTECT THE VERY PEOPLE OF THIS NATION ,RICH AND POOR ALIKE,AND IN RETURN THE WOULD BE TRAITORS WOULD BE UNEMPLOYED, OF COURSE THIS SOUNDS FAR FECTED,BUT IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DID THIS THE COMMUNIST LIBERALS WOULD BE FINISHED AND THEN MAYBE THE NATION COULD WORK AT REBULIDING THIS NATION,BRICK BY BRICK,NOT FOR A BUNCH OF SELF SERVING CROOKS IN BOTH PARTIES. JUST A THOUGHT. PAULS TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK?

  • jeanclair

    Being an 87 year old World War ll veteran, and having seen many changes in the philosophy of both the Democratic and Republican parties, I would like to remind you of another philosophy that has permeated into members of both parties. That is of the Communist party which advocates the following: “1. Abolition of property 2. A heavy graduated income tax 3. Abolition of inheritance 4. Confiscation of property of rebels 5. Centralization of credit in the state 6.Centralization of communication and transport in the state 7. Factories and production owned by the state 8.Obligation of all to work 9. Combination of agriculture and manufacturing 10. Free education combined with industrial production”. Now you can more clearly see how Obama intends to “Fundamentally change the United States”. Of course some of these things were changed before his arrival, especially in the early 1900′s, but he is just “following through” on the “Progressive/Communist” agenda. I recommend reading David Horowitz’s book, “Politics of Bad Faith”. How do you stand, sir?

  • http://www.tastethecloud.com dave tribbett

    Good post defining the Patriot Act and its ability to impose martial law on the country. Obama has consistently mislead American’s about his intentions, one lie after another. Thanks for the post.

  • eyeswideopen

    oops, hands clapping, was for Normal Guy.

  • Annie Ladysmith

    Lincoln was one of the biggest tyrants and bigots to make it to the US presidency. He put a whole state legislature in JAIL, for the entire war, because they voted that the South had the right to suceed. No wonder Lincoln is Obama’s favorite president. Lincoln’s wife (Todd) was rich and illuminati, which is why a skinny dolt from a log cabin got to be president. I am so glad other people have finally figured this out.

  • angel-wanna-be

    Jeanclair, God Bless You and Thank You for your service, My Dad and 3 of his brothers were WWII vets as well__I’ve said this many times before, but I’m almost grateful they aren’t here to see, what’s happening in the America they fought for__Like them you have seen alot of changes, some good some not. But I find the older we get, the less society thinks we know. I’m sad to think our kids and Grandkids may not ever know the America we grew up with. I still have hope, we can turn this around beginning in NOV 2010, and Obama, can keep the change!!

  • Sally S

    You must be from the south. Let it go already. You lost. It’s done and over with.

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