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Do The Media Want A Race War?

April 6, 2012 by  

Do The Media Want A Race War?
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While video of George Zimmerman played, ABC News reporter Matt Gutman said: "Take a closer look at this video. We slow it down. No visible blood on his head or his nose or his clothes. We know he never went to the emergency room that night."

I have had it with all of the irresponsible, sensationalistic comments about the death of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla.

It’s no surprise that Al Sharpton and his fellow rabble-rouser, Jesse Jackson, are doing everything they can to stir passions to the boiling point. That’s been their modus operandi for more than 20 years. Does anybody remember Tawana Brawley, the fake rape victim Sharpton used as his first stepping-stone to national fame (or should I say infamy)?

But I can’t remember a time when the media were so eager to give nationwide publicity to every vicious lie and racist accusation. Forget about trying to get calmer heads to prevail or any of that nonsense about not rushing to judgment. The media want someone’s head on a platter (or at least George Zimmerman’s body in jail). And they want it now.

If they have to doctor the facts a bit to get it, so what? They’re willing to use some incredibly dishonest means to see that “justice” is done.

NBC was guilty of one of the most egregious examples, when it ran a clip on the “Today” show of George Zimmerman’s call to 911. According to the excerpt NBC broadcast, Zimmerman said, “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

Obviously, NBC wanted its audience to believe that Zimmerman is a Neanderthal racist who wouldn’t hesitate to gun down an innocent 17-year-old just because he was black.

As it turns out, Zimmerman did utter those words. But the clever editors at NBC left out some incredibly important dialogue that occurred between the two sentences. Here’s what was actually said:

Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”

911 Dispatcher: “OK. And this guy, is he black, white or Hispanic?”

Zimmerman: “He looks black.”

Clearly, Zimmerman was simply answering the dispatcher’s question. He did not equate Martin’s race with “being up to no good.”  But that’s not how NBC portrayed it.  I guess Sharpton has a buddy in their editing room.

As you probably know, Zimmerman claims that after calling 911, he did not continue to follow Martin, as many of his critics contend. Instead, he says he returned to his SUV when Martin approached him. Words were exchanged, then Martin punched him in the face, knocked him to the ground and started beating him. An eyewitness says he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, who was yelling: “Help, help!”

That was when Zimmerman shot his assailant. So far, the police have not released any evidence that contradicts his claim. Just to make sure the facts come out, however, Florida Governor Rick Scott has asked State Attorney Angela Corey to take over the investigation. Corey has a reputation in Florida as a tough, no-nonsense prosecutor. So there is no reason to believe she will be part of any cover-up.

That, of course, is not enough for Sharpton and his cronies. They are threatening to “escalate” the demonstrations if Zimmerman is not immediately arrested. The New Black Panthers Party has gone even farther, offering up a bounty for Zimmerman.

And where is our President in all of this? He says that “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin.” You do have two daughters, Mr. President. Does either one of them look like Aliyah Shell?

In case you’ve never heard of Aliyah, she was a 6-year-old black girl in Chicago who was shot to death last month while sitting with her mother on the front porch of her home. She was one of 10 blacks murdered in Chicago over St. Patrick’s Day weekend. Police say all 10 were murdered by other blacks.

In fact, according to FBI statistics, 93 percent of all blacks murdered in this country are killed by other blacks. But Jesse Jackson insists that “blacks are under attack.” And Spike Lee obviously had whites in mind when he wrote, “You can’t keep killing black children.”

Meanwhile, the media continue to do everything they can to treat Martin like a saint (Don’t you just love the innocent-looking baby pictures of him they show over and over again?) while trying to cast doubt on anything Zimmerman says in his own defense.

Attacked and beaten by the youth? ABC News says that “no abrasions or blood can be seen” in the surveillance video that was shot when Zimmerman arrived at the Sanford police station.

The police report made at the time says that Zimmerman’s nose was bleeding and his back was covered in grass stains when he arrived at the police station. His lawyer said his client went to the doctor the next day and was treated for a broken nose.

But of course facts don’t matter to agitators who are looking for a cause célèbre.

Even some liberals have acknowledged what’s been happening. Writing in The New York Times, Bill Keller referred to Al Sharpton’s rabble-rousing as “the kind of demagoguery that could prejudice a prosecution or mobilize a mob.” Then he added, “Is it not creepy, by the way, that Spike Lee was tweeting the suspected home address of George Zimmerman? As if to say, ‘Go get him!’”

Of course, as you probably heard, the leftist film producer (and host of a million-dollar fund-raiser for Barack Obama) got the house number wrong. Instead of terrorizing Zimmerman, he gave the street address of an elderly couple who fled their home in fear. Lee later apologized for sending out the wrong address — but not for trying to create problems for Zimmerman.

Last week Bobby Rush, a black Congressman from Chicago who says he is proud to have been a member of the Black Panthers, demonstrated his support for Martin by appearing on the House floor in a hoodie and sunglasses. He was escorted off the floor a few moments later for violating House rules on decorum.

Of course, Rush had achieved exactly what he wanted: more one-sided publicity in the national media. To my knowledge, he has said absolutely nothing about the murder of so many blacks, including Aliyah, in the district he actually represents. After all, those are merely statistics, while Martin’s death is an opportunity.

Who was it who said that the Democrats should never let a crisis go to waste? Clearly, Sharpton, Jackson and their cohorts will use this tragedy all they can. Too bad the national media are so willing to help them.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • s c

    Interesting stuff. So we no longer need due process. Do we need any laws? Are lawyers necessary?
    As for whether or not the media gods want a race war, it seems they do. Time to bring our military home, people. When there’s no difference between street thug justice and those who are supposedly running the government, something is worse than wrong.
    Maybe the ‘stuff’ has finally hit the nation’s fan, and we’re simply waiting for the next example of ‘justice is a mere word.’ Forget social justice. Interesting times are headed this way, folks. Time to get off the train tracks.

    • Warrior

      Also, in case everyone has not been made aware, there is another “war” starting up that I found out about this morning on c-span. It’s “the war on women”. It wasn’t quite clear who’s at odds but it sounded like debbie blabbermouth schultz has some lead role on one of the sides. There were all sorts of “lef”tenants calling in describing the horrific battle casualties. I’m not positive what exactly the issues are but through the garbled messages I could make out words “reproductive” and “rights”.

      I hope this isn’t similiar to that conflict in Libya. “Duck”!

      • Laurie, Haslet, TX

        No there is no “War on Women”. Its actually the Democrats WAR ON RELIGION.
        As usual – the Dems call it the “War on Women” and the Republicans are at fault. Its OBAMACARE mandate that religious organizations provide birth control in spite of their moral objections to it.

        Anything to stir up hatred

      • Sirian

        Similar to Libya Warrior? NATO forces in the streets to defend women’s reproductive rights? LOL!!! All women have to do is keep their legs together, not spread wide open. LOL!!! Better yet, spread “Super Glide” all over the streets and the NATO forces would sure as hell have a “slippery slope” to deal with. LOL!!!

      • eddie47d

        The Right also has it’s race baiters or have you forgotten Breitbart’s Sherrod video. There are plenty of despicable poke in the eye folks with their own agenda. Since everything in today’s article has been brought up several times over the last few days it seems like those near and dear are adding an extra helping to this contentious issue. Did any of you even care about that 6 year old girl or is that now only conveniently being used for your own fodder.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Sirian, you’re being disgusting! I don’t think that taxpayers should be funding bc but it takes two to tango. Women aren’t the only ones being irresponsible. What you’re saying is just plain disrespectful to women. I don’t hear you slamming the men that these women are having sex with. Besides, this topic doesn’t have anything to do with that. You just feel like bashing women today?

      • Warrior

        Quite possibly, if more were “productive” the reproductive would take care of self.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        LOL! Warrior!! You got that sh!t right!!! Shakespeare wrote that, “Hell hath no fury…” the poor dude, God rest his soul, didn’t have a clue! RUN FOR COVER GUYS!!! With “Blabbermouth” (I love that, by the way!) leading the charge, OMG! I pray that someone’s gotta a whole lota MIdol!!! Every time I see her, Debbie that is, I think of that dog in “Men In Black”! I don’t know what it is, that hair-lip, the fact that she’s the DNC attack dog or what?!!

      • Vic

        Nancy, you are wrong. You’re forgetting or ignoring biological roles of men and women. Men and women are not equal, contrary to what commies want you to believe, men’s biological role is to court and push, while women’s role is to select and consent (or not). By that very basic biological premise, the man who’s getting the most partners has the best chance to procreate and to ensure his bloodline goes into the future, while woman who select the best man in a sense of genetic features and in the sense of being reliable future partner and protector of the family, has the best chance in the biological sense.

        So, it’s a woman who’s responsible for a final decision and has a final word. Sirian is 100% right on that.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Over and over eddie puts his ignorance up front for all to see. eddie says “The Right also has it’s race baiters or have you forgotten Breitbart’s Sherrod video.” Then he has the gall to mis-speak again about the 6 y/o girl that was murdered.

        Have you even the ability to think anything you say all the way through or are you really just plain stupid? At least everyone understands “falsy’s” Alinsky game playing…with you it’s obviously sheer ignorance.

        eddie, how can that be construed as “race baiting”? The fact is that Andrew Breitbart and Big Government’s released video clearly showed former Ag employee Shirley Sherrod admitting that she did not assist a poor farmer as much as she could have because of his “attitude” and race. You know the rest of the story. She said it was years ago, she said she learned from her experiences, she said blah-blah-blah… The democratic-media complex slammed Andrew Breitbart and FOX News for showing only a segment from her speech.

        What the MSM Won’t Show You From Shirley Sherrod’s Hate Speech – This video reveals the buried racist remarks from the rest of Sherrod’s NAACP speech.
        http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/07/shocking-video-what-the-msm-wont-show-you-from-shirley-sherrods-outrageous-speech/

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Vic, you’re full of crap! You just put human beings on the same level as a dog! I hate to disappoint you but we were given a higher order of thinking than dogs. Some guys just aren’t responsible and want to blame somebody else for their behavior. You have a brain. You can figure out what will happen if you go screwing around with anyone who will let you. Take responsibility for your own behavior. (unless you’re saying that women have highly superior intellect and you guys are just too stupid to control yourselves.).

      • Kate8

        JeffH – You are right. What eddie ignores is that the MSM underplayed the racist aspect of the Sherrod debacle.

        Breitbart didn’t edit her speech to make it look like something it wasn’t. They MSM only does that to white folks (or someone like Zimmerman, whom they’ve made token white for purposes of convenience).

        The Left is working blacks up into a blather in an attempt to launch race wars. It’s like they’ve gotten the A-okay to carry out their anger on whites, even if they are just minding their own business. Obama has made a point of making it clear that he represents Black America, HIS people, rather that the country as a whole.

        This is a frantic effort by the Left to cause the nation to erupt into pandemonium. They know that more and more of us are on to what they are doing, and that we’re very close to stopping them. They have to create insanity in any way they can, and this is one of the ways.

        The best thing we can do is to see through it all and keep calm. We’ll need our energy and our wits when the time comes.

      • eddie47d

        Kate the racial issue in Breitbart’s video was stirred up by him. Sherrod strictly was trying to make a point and she made it clear she would help that farmer as your buddy Jeff is trying to twist around. Why would you say MSN underplayed the issue when there wasn’t one. Those on the right are responsible for stirring up that issue and Breitbart lead the charge.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Great analysis Kate8!!! And watch for even more desperate attempts to create a crisis in the days to come as their window of opportunity closes on their vison tighter and tighter! I pray that everyone is ready for what could happen! It might not be pretty!!!

    • Flashy

      “But I can’t remember a time when the media were so eager to give nationwide publicity to every vicious lie and racist accusation.”

      Then someone has a short memory. The debates on the health care reform act being a prime example of media run amok when every lie and false reading was hyped as ‘truth’.

      Fact is fact…from the time newspapers were first printed and sold on the street corner, the Rule of Thumb was “if it bleeds, it leads”. The Trayvon/Zimmerman situation wouldn’t get past the boundaries of Florida if not for today’s media being in every household everywhere. i mean, in all seriousness, why do I…on the West Coast, have to be treated as if a crime or incident in say …Delaware, was in my backyard/ it warps the perception when in a nation this large and complex…one is constantly inundated with far away events made to seem localized.

      Be that as it may…we know for certain

      1. Zimmerman was a self appointed community cop with a history of aggressiveness and an insecurity streak compensated by a macho stance.
      2. Martin was known in the area, and the area is not exclusive as to race.
      3. Zimmerman stalked Martin and ignored police instructions to back off
      4. No one saw the confrontation
      5. Zimmerman shot and killed Martin.

      it was not a self defense situation with any story until Zimmerman created a confrontation. And yes, he created it. He stalked the kid and ignored directions not to. He was armed and this probably emphasized his “macho’ Clint Eastwood hero fantasies. And the insane law allowing someone to kill if they “thought” they were in danger is…as i said…insane.

      Everything else is so screwed up by shoddy police work and failures. No preservation of evidence. No lab work, no forensics.

      And i agree…on both sides the media is out of control.

      What i am surprised at is the local authorities haven’t done anything to calm the situation and keep a lid on it. And such would be easy.

      Arrest Zimmerman and charge him with manslaughter. Easy. it won’t do Zimmerman harm. It takes the evidence out of the public purview. it satisfies the cries for justice. And…most importantly … it gives time to let the emotions cam down and time to straighten out the facts.

      • Warrior

        And while the mob is frothing, why don’t we drag some of those doj people out in the street as well. You know, the geniuses who were running guns. Whadda say bucko?

      • Laurie, Haslet, TX

        Please stop parroting the Mis-information. Those are NOT FACTS at all.
        This is exactly what the article addresses . LIES AND MIS-INFORMATION and you seem to believe it.

        THAT’S THE PROBLEM -I have heard and read a lot of opinions where the FACTS are completely ignored and only the MSM lies are considered to be true.

        THEY ARE OUT AND OUT LIES.. You need to learn NOT TO TRUST THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA!

      • hipshotpercusion

        Not according to the evidence flashy. also there are the pesky eye witnesses, or did you forget that?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        You have outdone yourself< proving that you are totally ignorant fool. You would get punched out if you spewed such lies in any public forum where I live.

      • Windrinker

        As usual Flashy you have gotten your so-called “facts” backward! (Funny how that always happens.)

        Zimmerman was attacked from behind! IF some “retard” jumps me from behind and smashes my face into the concrete….the retard is going to get exactly what he deserves!

      • Flashy

        There were NO eye witnesses..and as the follow up posts show, there is no clear story with rumors and agendas being played both sides.

        Jeesh …

        OK..you disagree? What did i spell out that is disputed? What more is there to add that is not disputed? And if you were the county official in charge, what is the solution to calm the frenzy down?

        C’mon hot shots….walk the talk.

      • Flashy

        Wind..i wrote there was a confrontation. NO ONE knows at this time if Zimmerman’s tale of being attacked from behind is true or not.

      • Flashy

        hotshot…ok..what is the undisputed evidence? Key word…undisputed. And there are no ‘eyewitnesses”….only after the fact …

      • redfray

        You left out the witness. Was the witness white or black? You “flashy” are the judges and jury. You want justic before hearing all the facts? Didn’t the citizens of jerusalem do a person the same way you are doing this case? Maybe we should split America down the middle, put the whites on one side, and the blacks on the other side. Neither side can cross over to the other side. What about the half whites and half blacks, ship them to a foreign country, there not true bloods. This might stop a war?

      • mdbonjr

        Since all of you beat me to it, all I can add is simply this. Your attempts at obfuscation are not impressive Flashy. Ignoring the facts changes ignorance to idiocy. Do you actually enjoy being on the side of the willful, blind and obedient ignorant Flashy? Like lambs being led to slaughter, tsk tsk.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Flashy how do you know these facts? I am up to date as much as you are on all this BS the media is spreading, but all is speculation. Everybody just SHUT UP I am so tired of all this BS all the time. People die and that is a fact we can all agree with. Yes it is tragic but it is life and death. If it was my kid or your kid it would be forgotten tomorrow, just shut up.

      • Flashy

        LOL…then my point is amply proven…even the barest of timeline events is in dispute. Noted though that although everyone is saying i have the bare event timeline wrong…no one can correct it, and any additions are areas which are disputed.

        And…this is no surprise…no one has a suggestion or opinion on how to diffuse the situation if they were the local officials.

        Easy to be armchair quarterbacks criticizing because you want to bitch and complain…difficult to think the situation through and not be victim to what you are complaining about … media bias.

      • Karolyn

        Capitalist – Why do your have to insert “punching” into this? Is violence the answer to everything for you?

      • eddie47d

        So many like MDBONJR have allowed the Glenn Beck’s to repeated falsify stories to meet his own criteria. Did you ever call Beck out for his misleading and hateful images to enhance his program. You need to realize that the FOX network is also a part of the main stream media that you lamblast

      • paul

        You dont have your facts straight.He has an eye witness of the account that also called 911 an the only thing that the prosecution has is hear say from a mad girlfriend that claims she was on the phone with him. all you have is one side of the story .

      • Brad

        Flashy,

        It’s hard to dispute “eye” witness accounts, maybe you should rewatch this news broadcast; http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

        You may live on the left coast, it doesn’t give the right to judge another without all pertinent information. You have already judged and convicted Mr. Zimmerman in the arena of public opinion and the lame stream medias cover up of information. Are we headed into a full blown out race war, it sure looks like it all due to Al “The Rev” Sharptons race baiting to include Spike Lee’s tweets and then tweeting the wrong address. Please take a back seat and let the authorities do their job.

      • Flashy

        Brad….there may or may not have been eyewitnesses. And what these “claimed eyewtinesses” are saying are so opposite that i would say that is in dispute.

        I’m not judging…I have an opinion, but not judgment.

        As i suggested…would not the safest and quickest way to diffuse everything is arrest and charge Zimmerman and let time calm the fires? if Zimmerman is guilty, it will eventually come out. If he was not guilty, then that also will come out. But it won’t harm Zimmerman and may, in fact, raise his safety level.

        “Alexander Abad-Santos 2,834 Views Mar 30, 2012

        An eyewitness to Trayvon Martin’s killing appeared on Anderson Cooper’s AC360 on CNN last night and said that George Zimmerman appeared to walk away from the scuffle uninjured but, “very worried,” casting more doubt on Zimmerman’s self-defense claim.”

      • Shane

        Flashy. Shouldn’t you be out doing something, rather than living out your life on this site and others? I will agree that you are right some of the time, kind of like those jokers that keep on trying to win the oversized bear at the fair. Pay enough or play enough, everyone wins.

        Now to my point.

        This issue does not involve “stand your ground.” But may involve “self defense.” That will be up to the authorities or a jury. Not someone that wears their p.j.’s till lunch while they blog incincessantly

      • DaveH

        Flashman,
        The only thing we know for certain on this board is that you have no credibility.
        Ask me to prove it, Flashman.
        So how about you post some references to back up your conjecture.

      • Shane

        Karolyn. Gee you are a moral deficient. Your comment to Capitalist about punching, is just plain childish. Kind of like reading the riot list to a local jay walker on a slow Sunday afternoon. While ignoring the visible felonious and villainous actions of others in plain view.

        Very revealing what you, Karolyn, takes to be important.

      • Windrinker

        Flashy, did I spoil your day! You always make up your own “facts” to support whatever point you want to make.

        There were witnesses! “Tryiton” was sitting on Zimmerman whacking the crap out of him!
        Another said that “Tryiton” jumped Zimmerman from behind as he was going to his car! Regardless, Zimmerman has a broken nose, lacerations, and a concusion! If someone was sitting on me giving me a broken nose, you better believe that I would do my best to get that flocker off, whatever it took.

        Maybe some of these black attitudes will decide that it might not be safe to attack people and try to do “damage.” The racist here was “Tryiton.” He had no reason to attack this man going to his car. The police are well-aware of and deal with these young black attitudes everyday.

        Another convenient thing you left out is that “Tryiton” was found to have “lots of jewelry and watches” on his “person.” The authorities are thinking that these are stolen items.

        “Tryiton” had no business creeping around a gated-neighborhood where he did not live, at 3 AM in the morning..”

      • Rick

        The main thing is the police always say to stop. They are not there and IF some one was robbed or hurt by a person that was earlier seen the the people want his head for NOT doing something. We all know the police will arrive in time to do a report.
        This neigborhood had been robbed 8 times.

      • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

        Flashy, are you infavor of mob justice? You must think the the New Panthers (racist to the core) organization is doing right by offering the bounty on Zimmerman (Dead or Alive). I just wish that cooler heads would prevail. Oh, yeah, Obummer, needs to keep his bloody nose out of it. Better yet he needs to go on vacation (a perminate one)!

      • Flashy

        Wind…i’d say what your rendition is would be characterized as ‘hotly disputed’.

        So..undisputed facts. That was my point. Heck…even stating five basics is getting heat. From the heat on just giving a plain brief event timeline, I’d say if i wrote the only thing undisputed was someone was killed would be lashed out on.

        Basic and plain…if you are going to say i erred in stating the undisputed facts, correct it. The key word is undisputed. Everything else is distorted by BOTH sides of the media.

        next…what will diffuse the situation? i say arrest Zimmerman, charge him, set him loose on bail. Let time diffuse the situation. Besides…it would most likely be best for Zimmerman as until he does have a chance to clear up what went on, he’ll be branded if he is innocent. And he has to face a civil trial in any event.

      • TML

        Flashy says, “I’m not judging…I have an opinion, but not judgment.”

        Yet Flashy initially says, “it was not a self defense situation with any story until Zimmerman created a confrontation.”

        That is a judgment Flashy

      • Chief

        Flashy: It seemsd as though you have all the answers.I have some questions(1) was you there? (2)do you think people should be jailed then investigate for wrong doing?(do you have any facts that can be substantuated or just adding to the story? I for one would rather leave this matter to the authorities who are trained to investigate matters like this I am not. and I certainly think a person should be considered innocent until proven guilty and if they are guilty then lock them up not just throw them behind bars then decide if they did anything wrong. This is just my opinion.

      • emjay98

        And just where did you get the facts? As far as i have heard, there has been no real disclosure of the facts. Let’s at least wait to see what the facts are. Then let the chips fall where they may! The police have a better chance of knowing the facts from their telephone conversation with Zimmerman, and his physical condition. The medics who attended Zimmerman can tell what, if anything, they treated him for.

      • Wyatt

        Wow ” Flasher ” , you talk like you were there and witnessed the entire event . If that is the case , perhaps you should march yourself down to the Police Station and give evidence as to your ” eyewitness ” information . If not , then perhaps you should keep yous opinions to yourself and stop trying to incite mob violence . There are enough morons and idiots running around making this sad incident into political statement or attempting too . Stick to what you know , not what you assume and think you know from the inaccurate and biased news reports from the lame stream media .

      • JustSomeThoughts

        Flashy, what you write as “facts” regarding Zimmerman are also in dispute. Other reports say after his 911 call, he returned to his van. According to those same reports it was there Trayvon followed him and punched him in the face. Zimmerman was then thrown to the ground and cried for help. PLEASE, a hardline prosecuting attorney has been assigned to lead that investigation and no one should suspect they will go “easy” on Zimmerman should he be culpable. Let’s let those who are up-close with the true facts do their investigation, wait for those findings and in the meantime not participate in a “call” to riot. Class warfare, based on race, gender, socio-economic status, anything… is one of the ten planks of communism. Do yourself a favor and don’t believe me. Read the Communist Manifesto. You will better understand what is happening in this country. The “mishandling” of the reporting of this case is not shoddy journalism by some junior, “wet behind the ears” reporters. It’s intentional. Let’s not walk through their calculated “droppings” and spread it everywhere. It’s a stinking, potentially very dis-eased bearing mess, that could infect a nation.

      • AZ-Ike

        Flashy,

        Arrest Zimmeran; it won’t do him any harm?
        What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
        Since when do police arrest first and investigate later?
        An arrest record stays with a person for his remaining life. It affects every action that individual will take and others’ perception of him.

        Why is it OK to accept as truth the admittedly fabricated reports and pictures from ABC, NBC, and CNN, but totally discount the statements of Zimmerman?

        Why have no arrests made of the black panthers who placed a bounty on Zimmerman’s life? Why wasn’t Spike Lee arrested for releasing an address at which Zimmerman could supposedly be found—with the strong implication that unlawful individuals should ‘go and get him to administer their own brand of justice’?

        If we had a Department of Justice that was concerned with the law, criminal charges would be filed against the media networks, Sharpton, Jackson, Lee and the Black Panthers. Unfortunately Holder and the DOJ are as corrupt as any law enforcement agency can become.

        Chip is right. The media are engaged in race-baiting in the hopes of escalation into a ‘race war. This is just another prelude to the long hot summer to come in which race riots and OWS riots will give Obama the crisis opportunity to impose martial law. And, you know Obama, he never lets a good crisis go to waste!

        I don’t know about you, but I live in America, a country governed by a ‘constitutional rule of law’ and I won’t let the despotic ‘elitist rulers,’ aided by the criminal media trash the laws that guarantee my rights. If you don’t like it, get the h@## out of my country!

      • bill w

        and last of all, you are just another left wing hack that obviously doesnt know the facts of what happened. even after reading them in this article. typical liberal.

      • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

        There are so many of those like yourself that try to sound as though you were there at the scene and saw every thing as it was. . You have no more idea what took place than my old fido dog. This has brought out the lowest of the lowdown dumbshttts that could be exposed for what they really are.. Not one of these defenders of ( the poor little child) know any more now than they did after the first day of the incident. If our neighborhood watch volinteer didnt shoot some prowler in the middle of the night that had no buisness there ,,he would be answering to the neighborhood he was supposed to be protecting.. That is the lamest defence for someone ,in the middle of the night , in swealtering weather with a hoodie. as any thing you could imagine… Try a new lamebrained excuse, that one wont fly…..

        • Charles

          Oh, I forgot, not only the news medias, but there are a lot of idiots as well and YOU sound just like one.

      • Average Joe

        Every man is a damn fool for at least five minutes every day; wisdom consists in not exceeding the limit.
        Elbert Hubbard

        Me thinks Flashy has eceeded his lifetime supply (and still no wisdom),,,,,,,,many times over…just saying…..

      • Donna Sangsiri

        I live in Thailand and before I had enough brains to figure out the Internet I only got what news on the u.s from the local newspaper. For a really long time it’s articles were leaning in the left direction. But after reading what’s going on now with this black kid is like something from looney tunes . It seems to me that Obama knows he is looking good in the eyes of the nation and is really really worried about losing a lot of the black vote. So what’s the solution ? Let’s have a race war. Works every time. I don’t know maybe I’m wrong. It’s the same with the Fluke witch. Let’s see if we can piss the women off and we can wrap this election up. Some of you men need to lighten up about the women. During the 60′s we were brain washed with the help of the media we so have learned to hate. By making stupid women jokes your just falling right into the hands of all the lefties. Besides Obama and his buddies eat that sh– up when we stab each other in the back. V/R – Donna

      • Flashy

        nope..i wasn’t there. And neither was anyone posting here today. makes one wonder how you may make assertions but yet slam me for trying to a) list the undisputed facts; and b) give an opinion as what might be a solution to calm the tempest.

        I believe Brad stated

        Arrest Zimmeran; it won’t do him any harm?
        What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
        Since when do police arrest first and investigate later?

        1. No…it wouldn’t do him more harm than what is now. Yes, an arrest record may be for his lifetime, but he’s already painted for life unless the whole thing gets straightened out and judged within the formal legal system.
        2. An arrest does not connotate guilt. It means there MAY have been a crime committed. I’d say anytime someone dies as a result of a gunshot…there is enough for an arrest, then to investigate and take time to sort out the real situation before proceeding to indictment and trial phases. By not arresting Zimmerman, there is argument that Martin has been tried and proven guilty de facto without benefit of having a day to clear his name.
        3. All the time. It’s a very common instance.

      • http://DotheMediawantaracewar. John Wyatt

        There is not a “war on women.” The war is on religious freedom and keeping the other freedoms we have through the Constitution. The Catholic Church can’t change its position on Birth Control since the apostles and Didache from the early church that Christ founded and said He would be with till the end of the Age stated Birth Control was wrong. Plus the Pill Kills babies and women. Every woman who uses Birth Control kills many of her children unknowingly. “Thou Shalt not Kill.” Killing of embryos (that grow into adults) which God has created and set a plan for this baby’s life is very wrong. It is not whether you favor birth control or not the issue is setting precedents that will take away our freedoms. We are Americans with freedoms that many fought and died from. Don’t let Obama and our representatives make their past efforts and deaths in vain.

      • http://msn lilstinker1962

        if i could i would like to say something…what about the black guys that just burt that white boy in fl…i think its ok for blacks to hurt us whites..we never stick up for are selfs….. if we try then thats when sh– hits the fan..

      • Misda

        Flashy you try & stir things up all the time. Are you seeing how many replies you can get, do you really believe half the crap you write?

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Misda – has stated this is part of his job – so I’m guessing he’s paid in piecework fashion.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Falsy, rather than continue spouting your intended mis-information…we already know Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman…why don’t you read the actual Sanford police report.

        The report, filed by Sanford police officer Ricardo Ayala and published online Tuesday by the Chicago Tribune, indicates that there were at least six witnesses — three men and three women — who saw or heard some part of the events that led to Martin’s death. They ranged in age from 19 to 56.

        Zimmerman was in custody when Ofc. Ayala arrived on scene. Officer Timothy Smith, in his written report, notes that “Zimmerman complied with all my commands and was secured in handcuffs.”

        “Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid. I oberved that Zimmerman’s back was wet and covered with grass…Zimmerman was also bleeding from his nose and the back of his head.”

        Once Zimmerman was cleared by the [Sanford Fire Department], he was transported to the Sanford Police Department.”

        “Zimmerman was placed in an interview room at [Sanford Police Department], where he was interviewed by Investigator D. Singleton.”

        The police reposrt can be seen and read right here:
        http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/27/police-incident-report-fills-in-details-on-trayvon-martin-shooting/

      • mdbonjr

        eddie47d says:
        April 6, 2012 at 8:47 am
        So many like MDBONJR have allowed the Glenn Beck’s to repeated falsify stories to meet his own criteria. Did you ever call Beck out for his misleading and hateful images to enhance his program. You need to realize that the FOX network is also a part of the main stream media that you lamblast

        Nice try Eddie. This is a clear cut and defining representation of why I believe liberalism is a mental disorder. You presume to know where, what, how and why I formulate my opinions. You then go on to presume what actions I do or do not take based on my opinions. Based on your presumptions, you try to convict me of being unaware of certain realities. You sir or madam (you never know these days), exemplify the very nature which has progressed this tragedy to the overblown monstrosity it has now become. If and when this comes to a head, I truly hope you will reflect deeply upon your ideology and realize that it is the poison creating the slow and painful death of my home, The United States of America. I can assure you, America will not die easily!

        • Rick

          What has Beck lied about? Facts not blind or wishful thinking.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        mdbonjr, you’re right…you just can’t fix stupid!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6wbsGx9qw

      • mdbonjr

        Amen Jeff.

      • RichE

        Flashy,
        I disagree with #3. It’s not known if Zimmerman was stalking or watching. He was a neighbor watch person. As to the second part, ignoring to stand down, I don’t know, but what I do know Flashy is you seem to piss people off by just saying ‘Good Morning’

        Re: diffuse. Martins parents and Zimmerman on TV together holding hands asking people to calm down and let law enforcement do their job.

      • daniel

        Okay flashy you repeated NBC and company verbatim. Good job!!! Now as for witnesses there were three for sure on the same day as this happened. These were not after the fact.
        One thing I am pretty sure of is Sharpton and Jackson are raking in more money. You will notice I did not use the title reverend. That is because they do not preach the Jesus I know.

        • Rick

          Al and Jess make their money on racism so they have to promote it or not have a job.

      • eddie47d

        Mdbonjr; Why do you think Beck was booted off of FOX. He attempted to play the Pope but was nothing but a troubling little devil. There wasn’t an issue he couldn’t enhance! He also had his own band of lemmings.

      • GiveMeLiberty

        Flashy, you crossed the line when you called out Clint Eastwood. Although I despise any and all pop culture, in his earlier movies, Clint portrayed strong-willed, dirt and grit, tough guy Americans. You know, the kind who BUILT this country from the ground up.

        Oh and by the way, in any good Clint Eastwood movie fantasy, Clint always gives the bad guys a chance to walk away unless they started firing first. Remember the line, “dying ain’t much of a living boy”? Classic, just classic. Anyhow, back to reality, in most cases, Clint gave the punks a chance to think twice about their deeds before he dispatched them to heaven! Your obviously under-informed interpretation of this case shows Mr. Zimmerman not giving the punk a chance. Until you know all the details, don’t drag Clint into this too!

      • Rick

        @ Flashy you said I’d say anytime someone dies as a result of a gunshot…there is enough for an arrest, then to investigate and take time to sort out the real situation before proceeding to indictment and trial phases. Why? Are you saying that they need to “arrest” everyine who uses a firearm to defend themselves? That would mean the 18 y/o wodow in AKL By would have seperated from her baby after losing her husband in the service, after a man broke in her door with a hunting knife, and she shot him. Then you go on to say, By not arresting Zimmerman, there is argument that Martin has been tried and proven guilty de facto without benefit of having a day to clear his name.No it just says that as sad and tragic as this ended it Mean that there is not enough evidence to chanrge based on the information they have and the laws as the are. It is not like Zimmerman was Running from the police. He had cooperated and they knew where is was. So after they did their intitalinterview they released him wh8ile they investigated. Again innocent until proven guilty. The cops can not hold him if the prosecutor does not believe the is evidence to confict. that is how the law works..

        • norepsordems

          HI Rick….while I agree with most everything you said in your response to flashy….I saw what I feel is a flaw in your argument….while the 18 yr old shot and killed a perpotrator….in her home….and also there were weapons found with the perp….she was…in her home…defending invasion and possible harm….way to go…every right to stand her ground and shoot….the difference here…..Zimmerman, while it was private property, was in what would be considerd common area…..Martin had as much right there as he did as he was a guest of someone (a relative)……the problem of this being self defense……although there are witnesses to part…and I emphasise…part….of the conflict between the two people….no one saw how that conflict started….we only have Zimmermans account of the story….Martin can not tell his side…he’s dead…….so in this case…..much more needs to be considered before fault or blame is placed on either Zimmerman or Martin……this is for the district attornys office to decide….not the job of the police to determin guilt or innocence…..a homicide did occur….weither it was justifiable( self defense)…or some degree of murder….even involuntary manslaughter…..again…not for us…or the police to decide……one thing to consider also ….and for me this ways very heavy……Zimmerman was in the safety of his vehicle…and chose to put himself in harms way….and was told by the people of hhigher authority….we do not need you to follow……please tell me your take on the situation now…..

      • mdbonjr

        norepsordems, I see, and for the most part, agree with your argument. We have not seen any evidence to support or refute Zimmerman’s testimony as to what took place prior to Martin physically attacking Zimmerman. However, while it is tempting to allow the fact that he exited his vehicle in the first place play a major role, the question does arise, does he not have the right to do so?
        Also, was or was not Zimmerman directly commanded to not do so by a law enforcement official? This is treading on thin ice in my opinion. The 911 operator may or may not have been an LEO. On top of that, from what I hear on the recordings, he was not given a command but, rather an implied suggestion. “We don’t need you to do that.” is very different from “Do not pursue the individual.”
        I have other speculations but, they are simply that. I was not there and therefore can not factually present those opinions without further evidence. So, like you suggest and I recommend, we should allow the wheels of Justice to turn their way to a verdict.

        The intentions of my post here are to continue what I see as a constructive debate based upon what we know as fact in this tragedy. I commend you norepsordems and look forward to possibly continuing this discussion with you and others in the manner which it currently exists.

        • norepsordems

          Again we agree on so much….I do agree he was not told…but it was more of a sugestion that he not follow….but under the statutes in Florida…..even though he had a right to carry…as what I have found ..he did have a conceled weapons permit….as a citizen in general…he could have walked on the property with his gun in tow…conceled that is….but at the point in time he notified the local police agency thru 911 of his the actions he was persueing…ie..folowing Martin…..he then falls under a new set of rules as a community watch person….in that capacity…he was leagaly obligated to place his firearm in a secure manner in his vehicle and persue or follow….whatever term you feel is appropriate…how this comes to be is…as a civilan….concealed carry ok…but…oce he put himself in the position of defending or guarding the property…ie…community watch as it is referenced here…he needed a liscence to carry in that capacity….community watch members are not allowed to be armed…..in Florida at least….you can be a gaurd in 2 different capacities…either unarmed…or armed….the later requireing a specific liscence to cary a firearm….not just a concealed weapons permit…..I have lived in Florida for 20+ years if you were wondering……..and like we both agree…nobody at this times has concreat evidence who started the actual confrintation or fight..again..what do we call it?……untill those questions are answered….who knows….another statue that comes into play…..specifies that even in the event that an actaul crime is being commited, up to and includeing a felony…a private citizen is not permited to use deadly force to apprehend or subdue said perpatrator, except in the event the crime being commited is against another person and you feel that persons life is in danger……I don’t know if I made myself clear about Zimmerman leaving his vehicle to follow Martin….yes…he did have that right….just not as an armed person……I hope this helps you get a better picture of the does and don’ts….which the rest of this board have no idea about…nor do I think they care….you on the other hand seem to be very level headed and really desire to understand all of the situation….thanks…and if you have more thoughts to state, or questions of me……I also desire futher discussion with you….

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA

        Who needs a legal system or the judges or law courts Flashy when you seem to know everything but where did you get all your information from? Was it from the police or other investigators or did you piece it all together from the news media? Your so proud of yourself that you have all the answers as to who is guilty already and you want to share the story before they make a movie of your fictional story. Why did you not become a judge instead of just being like the rest of us who like to debate in this forum?

      • Vicki

        norepsordems says:

        but under the statutes in Florida…..even though he had a right to carry…as what I have found ..he did have a conceled weapons permit….as a citizen in general…he could have walked on the property with his gun in tow…conceled that is….but at the point in time he notified the local police agency thru 911 of his the actions he was persueing…ie..folowing Martin…..he then falls under a new set of rules as a community watch person….in that capacity…he was leagaly obligated to place his firearm in a secure manner in his vehicle and persue or follow….whatever term you feel is appropriate

        I was not able to find a Florida law supporting your assertion but since you live there you can probably quickly provide a link to the relevant statute.

        • norepsordems

          Here ya go Vicki…not good at adding links , but I will tell you where to look…..To preform the duties of an armed seurity guard a Florida Class G Licesce must be obtained. Classroom training must be taken at a certified traning facility in accordance to Florida States Statutes Section 493,790 and 775. Also Florida statutes 493.6106 and 744.331http://security-license.com/images/stories/stahttp://security-license.com/images/stories/stateforms/Florida/Armed-FL.pdfteforms/Florida/Armed-FL.pdf………..I hope this helps you Vicki……

      • Ed Glimpse

        All 5 of your assumptions are just that. You make them up as you go. I don’t, nor do you, know that any of those statements are factual or true. They may be what you want them to be, but not factual. In fact, one of them for sure is false. There were witnesses, more than one, that came forward who saw the altercation. Another is borderline when you say that Zimmerman stalked Trayvon. He says he didn’t but went back to his SUV. How do you know? Were you there? Didn’t think so. YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE PROBLEM HERE!
        Semper Fi! from Master Gunny Ed

        • norepsordems

          Let me start by saying…in no way do I agree with Flashy…..but one thing you said Gunny….3 witnesses that saw the altercation…..from what I have read…these 3 only saw the altercation..after it had started…not from the very begining….so I don’t think we know…except for what Zimmerman says…..who actually started the fight…that ended in a death….a homicide was commited…we don’t know if it was justifiable or not….I don’t stand on either side, guilt or innocence….but feel that it should be tried ina court of law….not the court of public opinion….

      • Vicki

        norepsordems says:

        Here ya go Vicki…not good at adding links , but I will tell you where to look

        (snip)

        I hope this helps you Vicki……

        Thanks. I’ll take a look at it.

      • vicki

        @norepsordems

        So I looked at your link
        http://security-license.com/images/stories/stateforms/Florida/Armed-FL.pdf

        And then at the Statutes 493,775,790

        493 covers Private investigators and security services
        http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0400-0499/0493/0493ContentsIndex.html

        In particular “security officer” is defined. Mr Zimmerman did not match the definition hence was not a security officer under that chapter and was still a private citizen lawfully carrying a concealed weapon when he left his vehicle under chapter 790.

        I found no provisions under 493, 775 or 790 that changed his status just because he called 911.

        775 covers all crimes
        http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0775/0775ContentsIndex.html

        790 covers Weapons And Firearms. In particular 790.25 covers Lawful ownership, possession, and use of firearms and other weapons.
        http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0790/SEC25.HTM&Title=-%3E2000-%3ECh0790-%3ESection%2025#0790.25

      • Palin16

        Flashy,
        How dare you knock Clint Eastwood! He’s a 1000 times the man you’ll ever be! Have you even come close to this living legend’s accomplishments? You just made my day, punk!

    • Ben Williams SR

      justice is all the people want ,when you kill you go to jail.where is the race war in that? it is a sad day in the U.S. when a man kill a child,and go home.give Trayvon justice.for a long it has been “justus” it is time for justice for “ALL”.

      • Average Joe

        justice is all the people want ,when you kill you go to jail.where is the race war in that?”

        Hey genius……Only when there is sufficient evidence to warrant an arrest…..that’s how the law works…. Maybe a basic course in civics would help you to understand this simple principle….In the event that you feel this is the wrong way to do things…you are in the wrong country….and should probably leave…asap.
        Btw, In the future, if you wish to appear somewhat intelligent…learn to punctuate….and make complete sentences.I don’t usually take advice or listen to folks that seem…well…less than educated. Many of us speak english here….not Ebonincs (AKA Lazyspeak).

      • http://DotheMediawantaracewar. John Wyatt

        What about the young white couple that four or five blacks attacked “just cause.” They raped the girl repeatedly and poured lye down her throat to destroy DNA. The tortured them and sexually mutilated both the girl and boy and then set him on fire. Where is the media coverage on this? Why is this not considered a “hate crime?” Where is the justice for this young people and their parents? Let’s discuss this one more than the other recent attack.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Ben Williams SR asks for justice and justice there should be…ignore the racists and the media calls for Zimmerman’s head(clearly vigilante justice)and let the proper authorities investigate and make their determinations. We are supposed to be a nation of laws for everyone…not just when it’s politically convenient for a few. Justice or injustice will be served one way or another. Let the justice system decide without the influence of the racists, celebrities, Congress or the media. The Florida State Attorney has been appointed by the governor to oversee the investigation.

      • http://liberty Tony

        Hey John Wyatt;
        You talk about the Knoxville tragedy, which was horrible. You’re right the perpetrators should be punished. But then, how about what white Miss. teen Dreben White did to black garage man, James graham!?! Google, White Mississippi Teen gets life sentence for murder. You know how this murder took place? Dreben White with three other colleagues,
        literally, drove over James Graham’s body with a Dodge Ram pickup truck. Also, how about the murder of beautiful school teacher, Melissa Jenkins, in New Hampshire by good ole’ boy and gal, Allen with Victoria Prue. You know why that occurred, was because Ms. Jenkins was a successful school teacher and had a prosperous parttime arts with crafts
        business. Anotherthing, she,too, had a mixed race toddler. They slit Ms. Jenkins’s throat with a steel commando knife. So, where’s your outrage on that. Google both these cases and you’ll find. Afterwards safe me the hypocrisy of your complaints. Happy Easter!!

      • Charles

        One or two facts is not enough, you have to get ALL THE FACTS.

      • michiganminuteman

        Ben, you should learn a little bit about sentence structure, grammer, punctuation and get close to correct spelling before you post on the big kids blog. Just saying.

        • norepsordems

          Hey there minuteman….since when do we need our fourth grade English teacher, following around telling us that everything we write , even on a post….has to be in properly formated to be posted….and if you are on the big boy site as you so put it….why don’t you post something that would be relivant to the story at hand……and if you think I haven’t…..check what I have posted….and edit them for content….not structure and spelling…this isn’t a report at work or a term paper at school…………

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Hello JeffH,

        I completely agree with your statement “let the proper authorities investigate and make their determinations. We are supposed to be a nation of laws for everyone…not just when it’s politically convenient for a few. Justice or injustice will be served one way or another. Let the justice system decide without the influence of the racists, celebrities, Congress or the media.” If after it is investigated thoroughly and it is proven (in court, not in the media) that Zimmerman did in fact murder the young man, then he will get what he deserves. If on the other hand, his story stands up that he was acting in self defense…leave the man and his family alone. Hate crime legislation is a big problem too, because it allows people to put their race (any race) above the human race. Get rid of Hate Crime legislation and toughen up the laws against those who murder (not talking about true self-defense killings).

        By the way, how have you been? Hope things are well with you and your family.

        Fed Up Gal in NM

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Fed Up – have to agree with you and how are you – it’s been forever – hope all is well and good -

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Hi there LT,

        My apologies to you (and others) if this does not post in the correct order; since I’ve not posted for a while, I now have to re-learn which box to scroll to send my reply. I was hoping by now, the site would have upgraded to include a reply “link” on each posted message, but will manage until tha happens.

        Yes, it’s been a quite a while since I visited PLD. I was cleaning up my computer last evening and thought I would see what’s being discussed now. Seeing so many posters names that I recalled (yours, JeffH, and many others) made me smile; even seeing those I have disagreed with made me smile as well, because I realized…not much has changed….LoL.

        Things are going quite well here, considering that things are never perfect during our earthly days which leaves us with looking forward to our perfect but then again it never will be while on this earth, so I still say things are going quite well. ;-)

        Speaking of as close to perfect as things can be – my sweetie pie just drove in (on a surprise visit) and we’re headed out for breakfast (more like brunch I guess). Hope you have a wonderful Easter holiday.

        Fed Up Gal in NM

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Fed Up – well some things changed and some didn’t – anyway may your day have gone as beautifully as it sounded like it was heading for – we missed you.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Fed Up Gal in NM, I’m doing well although I’m fighting a little cold. I don’t want to pass it on to my nieces so I decided to forego Easter with the family. My brother will bring me a little “care package” of Easter goodies.

        Thanks for asking. Hope you’re having a very nice Easter holiday.

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        LT and JeffH,

        Thank you for your response. Yes, it was very nice to get to spend the day with the love of my life. He lives a couple of hours north of here and his work schedule right now is really hectic, so I was very pleasantly surprised when he drove in unannounced and surprised me for Easter and for my upcoming birthday. I hope you both were able to spend your Easter with family and/or friends; and Jeff…if not, I sure hope you were able to enjoy that Easter care package and that you’re able to knock that cold out quickly.

        Well, I’ll keep this one short as it’s not related to the article; rather a response to my good PDL friends. Stay safe and enjoy the week ahead. :-)

    • dave

      to Nancy in Nebraska I don’t beleive in abortions for any reason the day after pill should work if things get out of hand as for rape if your going to give a death sentance for rape don’t you think it should be to the rapest not the baby the brain starts developing what after 6 or 10 days I feel after that its murder bouth parties are responsible not just the woman.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I totally agree with you. I don’t know where you got the idea that I didn’t. I didn’t comment on this subject at all, but I believe that life begins at conception and that any type of abortion is murder of an innocent child. Next time maybe you should be clear as to whom you are speaking to or about. I wouldn’t want anyone to think I had any other opinion than the one I have.

    • absolutely amazed

      The so-called street thugs had a field day in Tulsa yesterday, no doubt defending their liberty and defending the constitution as they interpreted it, and will no doubt invoke states’ rights and call the 2nd amendment to their defense after killing 3 and maiming 2. They were white, their victims were black – any chance there was racial profiling in their motives?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        aa says, “I swallowed the bait”!

        I’m quite sure Sharpton, Lee, Rush, Jackson, Watters and Obama are vey pleased with the results in Tilsa as it pertains to their “ethnic division” campaign.

  • Vicki

    “As it turns out, Zimmerman did utter those words. But the clever editors at NBC left out some incredibly important dialogue that occurred between the two sentences.”

    Clever and criminally negligent. In fact most of how the MSM as portrayed this incident shows a callous disregard for truth or justice. And so many (mostly liberals) have gone out of their way to help.

    Oh and I did not see Chip mention the audio where Zimmerman says “F***ing COLD” but the initial reports said that Zimmerman said coon.

    So lets see.

    1. Photos of an 11 year old shown as though that was Mr Martin the day of the death.
    2. Photos of Zimmerman at less than his best
    3. Deciding that the word cold is coon in a noisy recording.
    4. Criminally removing essential parts of the 911 transcripts
    5. Poor quality video shown to portray Zimmerman as totally untouched after the incident.
    6. Publishing all the hate speech from people like Jessie, Al, Spike et all. Oh wait.
    its not hate speech of the guys with the great suntans are saying it.

    And the MSM wonders why they have become irrelevant. Or maybe that is EXACTLY why they are writing stuff that would make the National Enquirer look like Readers Digest.

    Were I a lawyers I would be offering my services to Mr Zimmerman. Looks like at the very least he can own his very own Television Network.

    • Vicki
    • eddie47d

      I thought those on the right didn’t like lawyers yet Vickie will rush to Zimmerman’s defense even though he could also be of questionable character.

      • Vicki

        Eddie47d’s mistake is confusing conservatives with his distorted view of “the right”. He will probably never bother to look but here is a little video for the rest of you to see the difference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Vicki, surprised? Why just a few days ago eddie was telling another poster not to buy into that left/right “thang”. OOPS, in that same thread he failed to heed his own advice…imagine that!

    • uvuvuv

      that isn’t the only case of “editting” in history. thomas jefferson wrote these words, “we hold these truths to be self evident, all mean are created equal.” and now here’s the rest of the story: “except for blacks.” i read this biography of alexander hamilton, i don’t want to get up and see how the author is but you would recognize him, but in it, it said that jefferson wanted every new state admitted to the union to be a slave state. was it the missouri compromise that said each state would decide for itself? i honestly don’t know. but as each territory neared statehood there were raging “pre” civil wars as the pro-slave democrats fought the anti-slave republicans. at first abraham lincoln was a whig, and their platform was let the status quo continue. well this new political party that was founded in ripon wisconsin said no, no slaves period anywhere, and they drafted abraham lincoln against his objections. but the whigs converted en masse to the new republican party, they nominated abraham lincoln and the civil war was on. interestingly i read that the blacks were vehemently repub in their sympathies and voting until richard nixon named spiro agnew as his running mate. this might have been in the making of the president 1968 by theodore white, but more likely his 1964 book about johnson..

      • TML

        uvuvuv says, “hat isn’t the only case of “editting” in history. thomas jefferson wrote these words, “we hold these truths to be self evident, all mean are created equal.” and now here’s the rest of the story: “except for blacks.” i read this biography of alexander hamilton, i don’t want to get up and see how the author is but you would recognize him, but in it, it said that jefferson wanted every new state admitted to the union to be a slave state. was it the missouri compromise that said each state would decide for itself?”

        Not only is that NOT a case of editing, but you really should learn your history, rather than now trying to defame one of the greatest Presidents and Founder of this country.

        Thomas Jefferson was a consistent opponent of slavery throughout his life. He considered it contrary to the laws of nature that decreed that everyone had a right to personal liberty. He called the institution an “abominable crime,” a “moral depravity,” a “hideous blot,” and a “fatal stain” that deformed “what nature had bestowed on us of her fairest gifts.”

        Early in his political career Jefferson took actions that he hoped would end in slavery’s abolition. He drafted the Virginia law of 1778 prohibiting the importation of enslaved Africans. In 1784 he proposed an ordinance banning slavery in the new territories of the Northwest. From the mid-1770s he advocated a plan of gradual emancipation, by which all born into slavery after a certain date would be declared free.

      • daniel

        TML is correct in what he says about Jefferson. I have his letters at home here. Yes, Lincoln would have allowed slavery to continue if it would have meant keeping the Union together. However did you notice that slavery was still in effect in the North during the War and that the Emancipation Proclamation affected only those states in rebellion? It seems the Yankees were a bit on the racist side too. Bout time for it too stop on all sides don’t you think?

      • PendragonRise

        Thank you TML, you beat me to do the punch in correcting this misguided individual. To avoid sharing ignorance of history, wisdom strongly suggests that you take the time to do your homework and seriously study the truth about the past, uvuvuv. It’s a great feeling to speak with historical knowledge than to suffer humiliation through the furnace of unfounded pride.

    • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

      Way to go vicky, Idont think the lefties will ever wake up , By the way my last post was meant for all those giving the race baiters their support, not meant for you,,,,,

      • Vicki

        Noted and thanks.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      eddie, if “if’s, and’s or but’s and would’a, could’a, should’a” could be used in a court of law…you might be able to replace Eric Holder as Attorney General. BUT, and it’s a very big “BUT”, it don’t work that way in real life…unless you’re a liberal!

      • absolutely amazed

        One of the most interesting rumors that has been circulating is that Cheney’s transplanted heart was from a young Kenyan man who was the victim of gang warfare in DC. It is only a rumor, but . . . . that’s about as good as anything else being tossed back and forth these days as truth or fiction. Have any of the rest of you heard this particular story?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        aa, not the least bit interested!

  • http://jeromeennis.wordpress.com jeromeennis

    Of course the media wants a race war and a class war. The media is doing the work of the Obama Campaign 2012. Obama has spent his first 3 and one half years in office stirring up class and race war fare, and now that the election is coming closer and closer, the media is stepping up the Obama Mantra of Class and Racial Warfare. This is is his only Position and the Media is nothing but a Propaganda Machine using so-called News Outlets to Stoke the Flames for the Obama Campaign of Error and Terror, if necessary. Obama and the Media want him to win at any and all costs, incuding a bloody war in the streets if necessary. The sooner people realize this, the better.

    • Joe Carrier

      is it possible that Obama wants a race war so he can suspend the constitution? then declair marshall law and totally disregard the constitution and start arresting people that dis agree with his politics?? and to send in our own troops to disarms uS ?? think about it this has happened in history and histroy has a tendency to repeat itself ! DO NOT say it cant happend hear< just look at obama care which was forced on us! Obama just recently sign a bill that gives him this power in case of an emergency!

    • working man

      You are right, jero….this is just the beginning. Wait till
      Aug/Sept, then things will start heating up in terms of racist
      claims. Obamma would love to have martial law declared arround
      Oct…just in time to make sure that he will get his 2nd term.

      Don’t blame me….I voted for the old dude and the hot chick.

      • DaveH

        And that is a large part of our problem — voting for the lesser of two evils.
        We need to stop voting for the Establishment-picked Big Government Lovers and start voting for Politicians with Principles like Ron Paul or the Libertarian Candidate. Until we do, we will continue to get ever-larger Government that takes more of our money (42% already) and takes more of our Freedom (what little we have left).
        http://libertarianparty.org/

      • dave

        to Dave H couldn’t of said it better Ron Paul is the last hope for American Life as we know it..

      • Vicki

        42%? The federal government alone USED to take 94%. Well that was the marginal rate.
        http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=213

        Of course crony capitalist people never really spent that much what with all the complex deductions and all.

      • DaveH

        I’m referring to Government (Federal, State, and Local) Spending 42% of the GDP, Vicki.
        In the late 19th Century Government spent less than 5% of the GDP. And somehow our ancestors managed just fine.

      • newspooner

        Always vote for the best candidate, even if you think he can’t win. Voting for the lesser of two evils is a failing strategy.

    • Warrior

      Come on everyone. Join me in a chorus of…… And it’s One, Two, Three, Four, what are we fighting for………. Don’t know and don’t give a damn….. next stop is………

      Fill in your favorite cause.

      • Vicki

        Where are we going and why are we riding in a hand basket anyway?

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      To be effective, commuity organizers need to promote and push inequality and class warefare…classic Marxism 101.

      We Are Heroes, Who Need to Create a Crisis: SEIU’s Stephen Lerner at Progressive Summit Tells Unions, Community Organizers and Students They Need to Escalate Protests, Break Laws, Occupy Abandoned Houses and Spread the Crisis All Over U.S.
      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/we-are-heroes-who-need-to-create-a-crisis-seiu-stephen-lerner-at-progressive-summit-tells-unions-community-organizers-and-students-they-need-to-escalate-protests-break-laws-occupy-abandon-houses/

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        FYI…the current occupant in the White House(of shame)is an Alinsky trained community organizer.

  • Moby49

    Chip you sound just like the pundits from the 60′s, when the newspapers covered civil rights marches and MLK speeches. Those pundits accused the media of trying to start race wars with their coverage and editorial demands that police brutality stop. They were distorting the truth then and you are doing it again.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      Chip is not ‘distorting’ anything; he is laying out the truth. If you can’t see that then your sight is worse than Helen Keller’s. Don’t be a dupe!

    • Laurie, Haslet, TX

      What facts are being distorted. These are the facts. This entire media circus was staged and his Parents were probably PAID to USE THE DEATH OF THEIR SON for a political agenda..

      • Jim in NY

        Laurie what is your political agenda? – a son is killed and the one who pulled the trigger is not charged and that means nothing to you. Meanwhile you rant about the media (where do you get your facts) and the war on religion. You have your agenda

      • Vicki

        Jim in NY says:

        Laurie what is your political agenda? – a son is killed and the one who pulled the trigger is not charged and that means nothing to you.

        Lets see a bit more of the story. A healthy athletic young man is using a sidewalk to bash in the head of an older man. The older man shoots the younger man rather than dying himself. Why yes Jim, we notice that you have a political agenda.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      F.R.O. Get real. You are obviously a dupe or a comrade. Which is it?

    • Windrinker

      The truth has no meaning to any of you “way-out Lefties.” You have your own agenda and you try to reinvent the world in which you live.. regardless of reality.

      Seems to me that sounds like you and your ilk are a big group of Sociopaths.

      • Flashy

        Enlighten us Wind..what is the “truth” ?

      • Shane

        Flashy. The truth is whatever bias you wish it to be.

        Good enough for you Flashy.

        Now go brush your teeth and get dressed.

      • DaveH

        Flashman thought you were calling him, Windrinker, when you mentioned Sociopath.

      • Flashy

        As usual, DaveH..you are wrong.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Falsy, how so is Dave’s comment wrong…enlighten us please?
        If it quacks like a duck…it is…you know the rest!

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:

        Enlighten us Wind..what is the “truth” ?

        ——————————————————————————————————-
        1a archaic : fidelity, constancy b : sincerity in action, character, and utterance
        2a (1) : the state of being the case : fact
        (2) : the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality
        (3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality
        b : a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true
        c : the body of true statements and propositions
        3a : the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality
        b chiefly British : true 2
        c : fidelity to an original or to a standard
        4 capitalized Christian Science : god
        ——————————————————————————————————-

        For the purpose of this discussion 2a (1,2), 2c and 3a are probably the best fit.

    • eddie47d

      Great point Moby49 although it went over the heads of a few. They don’t want fairness anymore than Al Sharpton does!

    • DaveH

      Okay, Moby, let’s get down to specifics. What did Chip say that was untrue?

      • Flashy

        Untrue or undisputed?

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:

        Untrue or undisputed?

        Either. Be sure to show your work.

    • newspooner

      I bet you voted for Obama to prove that you weren’t a racist. Next time, vote for somebody else to prove that you aren’t stupid.

  • dusterdog

    Every one that has been beaten because of this case should get a lawyer & sue the news medias that are responsible.

    • Allison

      Here Here dusterdog….I have been saying that all along….the media should be responsible for their irresponsibility and directly responsible for any deaths or injuries along with pain and suffering of any of us “lighter” folk in response to this matter. I think Rev Sharpton and Jackson also ought to be prosecuted for insighting riots and mayhem and incarcerated. I suppose we would need to make sure that the arresting officers would be of the same skin type or it would create even more problems. There is no way the triple K association would ever be allowed to come out and say anything like the Black Panthers have said either. If the triple K displayed a bounty wanted poster they would not be glorified in the media.

  • MrJay1

    Powder is definitely being kept dry. This is just one incident. The mass media has used erroneously. Sadly the Left which is full of Want and Ignorance is very dry kindling at this point, and NBC, CBS,ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NPR are all the matches.
    This will not end the way Libtards think or have been taught to expect if it explodes.

    The Powder is definitely dry.

  • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

    well they work for George Soros and Van Jones who HAVE the Imam in thw white house;; and Jones has already publicly stated ;”we must force the President to do what he knows is right”. dah

  • Marilyn

    Since George Soros owns MSM it should be obvious that they want a race war so that Obama can declare martial law. You cannot believe anything you hear on MSM anymore.

    • Michael

      Blah, blah, blah. You righties always trot out poor old George Soros as the source of all evil. You should seek professional help because you are clearly delusional.

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        ..you must still be living in your mom’s basement. Why not get out and get a job? And get off those drugs, they make you post stupid comments with no basis in reality.

      • Michael

        Any mental health professional would conclude that people who have a need to demonize others and see conspiracies where none exist are suffering from paranoid delusions and need treatment. You can continue to cherish and cling to your lunatic theories and look for boogie men hiding under the bed but you are not normal if you do.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Your point is? Or are you here under duress? Reading the “righties” statements. You have proven that there are ignorant people, some might even call them stupid in this country, which is why there should be an intelligence test of all who try to vote.

      • lee

        Michael. George Soros doesnt even belong in this country. He is a billionair that wants to control the world. He should buy a country some where and stay there. Maybe he can take his idiot brother mayer Bloomberg of New York City with him, then they could have a gun free country. They are morons right along with the people that believe in them.Just think your own little perfect world.

      • mdbonjr

        Michael, you do realize that by your own definition, you have classified yourself as a paranoid delusional and are in need of treatment.

      • Shane

        Michael You pittiful little thing. In the scheme of things, Soro’s is not mentioned very much. Hardly ever. Most people don’t even know him, or if they do, know very little.

        But is discussing facts or opinions, it does not matter whom one chooses to use as an example. As long as there are some facts to support the mentioning or a reasoned assumption.

        Something that you Michael usuall failed to reach in your comments.

        Yeck. I’m glad not to be in your soft weak slimly skine.

      • DaveH

        Remember, mdbonjr, Michael is a Liberal. That was a little deep for him.

      • mdbonjr

        Touche Dave. I suppose that is my fault for my inability to present at an elementary level. ; )

    • nc

      Marilyn, what does that part of the media owned by Rupert Murdoch “want” as opposed to what Mr. Soros “wants’? Fair and balanced reporting like he has at Fox ‘NEWS”?

      • Windrinker

        You didn’t direct your comment to me, but If you don’t know the difference between a multi-Billionaire, Bilderberg, and private owner of the Federal Reserve Banks, an evil basturd that takes down the economies of entire countries, one that has stated that “it is time to take down the U.S”.,…as compared to inconsequential Rupert….don’t bother trying to assimilate facts..

    • Average Joe

      Marilyn has a valid point ….and here’s why
      1. Obama’s ratings are down in the polls.

      2. This is election season, and Obama needs the Black vote in order to even have a chance at re-election. Making this issue ( or any issue) about race accomplishes that goal…by rallying the black community.

      3. NDAA is now signed into law

      4. Panetta has already told congress that the military takes it’s orders from the UN and NATO…not from congress.

      5. In the event that the imposter in chief (IIC) is reelected, he sails into power unapposed and militarizes the nation further through drones,checkpoints, gun confiscation and rounding up of political dissidents ( to be placed in those non-existent FEMA camps.

      6. In the event that the imposter in chief does not get reelected, there will be race rioting throughout this nation within 24 hours, thereby allowing the IIC to institute martial law and…..militarizes the nation further through drones,checkpoints, gun confiscation and rounding up of political dissidents ( to be placed in those non-existent FEMA camps.

      Am I just being paranoid? I don’t think so, especially when you consider that DHS just ordered 450,000,000 (that’s 450 million) rounds of .40 cal. ammo…on an open ended contract…..along with 175 million rounds of .223 cal….which BTW is a NATO round.
      Is DHS worried about a terrorist invasion here…..or are we to be considered the terrorists?
      Time for real worry folks.

      The following is an excerpt from the official press release about this deal between ATK and the Department of Homeland Security….

      ATK announced that it is being awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement from the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE) for .40 caliber ammunition. This contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds.

      ATK was the incumbent and won the contract with its HST bullet, which has proven itself in the field. The special hollow point effectively passes through a variety of barriers and holds its jacket in the toughest conditions. HST is engineered for 100-percent weight retention, limits collateral damage, and avoids over-penetration.

      “We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40 caliber duty ammunition for DHS, ICE,” said Ron Johnson, President of ATK’s Security and Sporting group.

      But this is not the only kind of ammo that the DHS is placing an order for.

      Business Insider is also reporting that the Department of Homeland Security is seeking to buy 175 million rifle ammunition rounds….

      We’ve also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they’re looking for up to 175 million rounds of .233 caliber ammo to be exact. The 223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm.

      Keep your powder dry! We’re going to need it!

  • Michael

    Zimmerman has NOT been arrested – it is being investigated. The hated media is doing its job, just as you are doing yours by raising questions. You both have a right to do that. What it sounds like is that you want is for it to be swept under the rug which is hard to do when the media is paying attention. Sharpton and Jackson on the other hand do NOT want it to go away and that is their right and is probably the correct position for a system that favors white over black. As others have pointed out, if the dead boy had been white and the shooter black the shooter would now sitting in a jail cell with charges entered. That is the America we live in and Sharpton and Jackson are right to do what they can to get justice.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      BS. The media is not ‘doing its job’ when it alters evidence. Try that in court sometime and watch what happens. NBC is not in a position to simply ‘apologize’; they have done a great disservice to the citizens who listen to their ‘spin’ and they must suffer the consequence. It would be one thing to simply report the news but none of the msm has done that for quite some time. Instead, they ‘spin’ everything from crime reports to weather reports. Hell, when they say it’s raining, I look outside to make sure…I don’t trust the msm at all any more.

      • Flashy

        ABC did what FOX McNews does daily….

      • Flashy

        Excuse me..NBC

      • Windrinker

        Maybe there should be “an investigation” and a committee appointed to drag this News outlet over the coals….any News media that intentionally airs fraudulent information as “facts” should be in jeopardy of their license. That is what would be done to a “conservative outlet.”

        At least, they should have to announce themselves as “Biased and We Will Lie to Advance our Agenda” before every program that is broadcast.

      • Flashy

        “any News media that intentionally airs fraudulent information as “facts” should be in jeopardy of their license.”

        i agree…at least it would get Fox McNews off the air…

      • DaveH

        There is no “excuse” for you, Flashman.
        Flashman says — “ABC did what FOX McNews does daily”.
        Surely you don’t expect anybody to just take your word for anything, Flashman?
        How about some examples? It should be easy since FOX does it daily.

      • DaveH

        I have plenty of examples of your abberant behavior, Flashman. I would be happy to supply some for you.

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:

        ABC (he meant NBC) did what FOX McNews does daily….

        The problem with flashy is that his credibility is so low that his statement would tend to exonerate NBC. Were it not for the fact that NBC got caught lying.

        Flashy can not provide any evidence that FOX has done the same thing cause like Obama’s LFBC the evidence doesn’t exist.

    • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

      HAVE YOU BEEN PAYING ATTENTION? NBC edited out and constructed a false 911 tape; CBS fabricated a false recording story using garbled voices saying; “he is f—— coon” , when enhanced audio reveals Zimmerman saying; “it’s freaking cold”, ABC released a statement saying Zimmerman had no injuries and now has recanted saying he did have; what are you saying about the MSM doing their job, they are liars????

      • Average Joe

        Robert,
        I think the problem is that Liberals watch the News (term used loosely) and see these talking heads as Prophets who are preaching the great truths of the world as only they can know them. The words of these “Prophets” are regarded as “The Gospel Truth”.

        Conservatives on the other hand, view the News (again, used very loosely) as a “Story”wriiten by an organization…trying to sell a product….to be viewed as suspect at best and a complete fabrication at worst.

    • Laurie, Haslet, TX

      Sharpton and Jackson are nothing but opportunists. They only get involved when it BENEFITS them and fills their pockets with more money. That’s why they never address Black on Black crime – there is no PROFIT for them..

      This has never been about Trayvon, or JUSTICE – its about causing CHAOS and anarchy.

      Take a lesson from 1992 – MSM did the same thing with Rodney King – 53 INNOCENT people died as a result of those riots.

      Tawanna Brawley 7 INNOCENT people died as a result of those riots as well.

      When we FAIL to learn from past mistakes – we are DOOMED to repeat them

    • Capitalist at Birth

      If you don’t like the United States of America and the republican form of government, you are welcome to leave. I think we would certainly be better off without you. I would bet that most of the people visiting this site would gladly contribute some of their hard earned dollars to buy you and your friends one way tickets to Africa.

      • Flashy

        Actually CB…if you’re offering to buy my ticket to the South Pacific…i accept. i could use three or four weeks on a beach drinking spirits and living a hedonistic lifestyle.

      • Brad

        Flashy,

        If it were my money I’d send ya to Uganda, one way, you can find your own way home.

    • Windrinker

      That is crapola! The radicals, in or out of the MSM, will do or say anything to cause chaos!

      Where is the MSM outrage concerning the White boy that was doused with gasoline and set on fire by blacks! MSM didn’t report on it! They don’t report black on White crime!
      I heard about it on the Laura Ingram show, and she hadn’t heard MSM even casually refer to the story.

      Americans should be getting very sick of the MSM and their biases and their pushing the agenda of the biggest racist in this country..the one sitting in the oval office.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      The media’s job is to report news, not MAKE it!

    • old hillbilly

      Do you klike hoodies? Why not wear your hoodie & sun glasses next time you go to your bank?

    • TML

      Michael says, “The hated media is doing its job, just as you are doing yours by raising questions.”

      “According to the excerpt NBC broadcast, Zimmerman said, “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.””

      Here’s what was actually said:
      Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”
      911 Dispatcher: “OK. And this guy, is he black, white or Hispanic?”
      Zimmerman: “He looks black.”

      Sorry Michael, but that is not what most people would consider as ‘doing their job’.

      • DocVenture

        You’re right TML, in fact…it looks like the MSM is guilty of libel/slander and should be held accountable! Let NBC and the other lamestream media companies know that misinformation and doctored audio transcripts will not cut it. Sue those dumb bastards! Their job is to report the facts, not “doctor’ the facts. Do Not Believe the Evil, Corrupt MSM!

      • Vicki

        Deliberate misinformation. Evidence being the doctored tapes. We can tolerate a little misinformation that is typical of trying to report an event in progress such as the mass shootings at that school in California.

        What we will NOT tolerate is doctoring evidence as NBC has done and hiding evidence as in the case of the freaking cold vs what was reported.

  • Michael Jay

    Is the writer of this article HIGH on something? Yes the media would like a Race Riot. It as always,sells papers and of cource Blacks will get the short end of the stick when they are shot down, no matter what they are doing. If you don’t like Jackson or Sharpton speaking for people who have no voice or chose to dumb down the validity of outright murder, put the message in the heads of the killers; not to target and kill Blacks unless they can verify an actual crime and NOT; he LOOKS like he is up to something or like he is on someting.
    Sharpton and Jackson are screaming that they are tired of Racist justice when it comes to Blacks and Latinos. The writer knows in his heart the they speak for countless other deaths(ie: Ken Chamberlain, Dialo, Bell etc) and injuries(King, Louima etc). I am so sick and tired of this Kangaroo Justice that everyone knows exist but the majority just ignores is since its not personal to them. Don’t apologise for murder. Were it not for Sharpton and Jackson; there would be even more killings(there actually are, with absolutely NO press). I think some people as the writer is one, wish the complaining would stop and Blacks would just die in peace since you obviously don’t think we count for anything. Remember the majority of Blacks did not ask to come here in the first place.

    • Ed Robinson

      HMMM and what about the white couple that was tortured, raped, and murdered by FIVE blacks ,did theydeserve that , where are your Heros Jackson and Sharpton on that one, OH since the victems where white, You think it doesnt count ?????

      • Flashy

        Ed…I’ve had this conversation with others as we had coffee several times. The minority communities are doing themselves a great disservice when they protest only when a minority is victim to shoddy police work or racist violence. it does create animosity in those not mentally swift to realize they are acting only in direct concerns.

        When Mike Tyson utters racial remarks, they should be cutting him up…just as they would a white person. Just as YOU should be as active in voicing for injustice whatever the race involved instead of either taking the opposite side or standing aside in indifference.

        My point is…when black athletes or anyone for that matter…is allowed to utter racially tinged remarks, then everyone…including blacks who let this slide…are…in effect admitting the utterer has not the self control or social grace to be treated equally. That they need preferential treatment.

      • eddie47d

        ED:Those two white men in Connecticut killed and tortured that white family. That made the news for many months and rightfully should have.So it is not always a racial issue that gets the newsmakers attention. Then you have Nancy Grace who turns a hang nail into a murder case and attempts to scare the begeebies out of everyone. Twice was enough for me to watch her hyped up shenanigans.There are plenty of eager people willing to sell their soul for a buck and they use the media outlets to do it.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Then all of the blacks can return to Africa. Is ignorance as blissful as it appears?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      By your own admission you say that the Jacksons, Sharptons are the messiahs of the black people because the black are way too incompetent to think for themselves and live their own lives.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Then go back to Africa and dig up your dead ancestors and beat the living tar out of their corpses because that is who sold your black a$$ to a better land with more freedom than Africa has ever promised. Just imagine your great grand daddy sold your grandmother so she could prosper in a free country. He did you folks great justice by doing so and you know have had 200 years to complain get all the free crap you want. Shut Up!!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      The majority of blacks did not ask to come here?!? Did someone force you to come here? I don’t think there’s a black person alive that was forced to come here! Your mother was responsible for your being here! No one else! It was here that she chose to have you and you’re damn lucky. If you think it’s so bad, try moving to Africa. I’m sure they’d let you in but if your think life is hard here, go try that out for a while. I’m tired of black people pulling out the sorry old excuses for why they are not successful or happy. The problems in the black communities cannot be solved by white people! So stop trying to blame others for your misfortunes. Until you decide that you’ve had enough and want to do something about it, stop pulling out the “race card”. There are a lot of injustices in this country and the world and they aren’t all aimed at black people!

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Nancy:
        Black Americans were forced here at Gun point during the era of slavery. Granted, just as many Black Africans were involved in the slave trade as White Europeans but black people were forced here. However, this the best country for us which i agree with!!

      • DaveH

        Nancy was talking about the current Black population — not their ancestors.

      • Windrinker

        Tony, no blacks are forced to live here! Do you know any that were forced to live here?

        I would be happy to have any or all of them leave…but, you can’t beat them off with a stick!

        What country could they go to get all their bills paid, their groceries bought, their medical care for free, their free cell phones, their free electronics, their cars, their big screen TVs and free housing. The government even uses our taxes to pay them good money to breed!

        Funny how immigrants come here and become successful, law-abidding citizens. They have to deal with a new culture and language. but they overcome it. What is wrong with the blacks? They are born here, speak the language, get free education (and everything else) and they are unable/unwilling to fend for themselves.

        One of the other posters made a good point. “The White people can’t solve the problems in the black community!”

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        We did not commit those atrocities! I REFUSE to accept responsibility for what black and white people did over 200 years ago. I was not even alive then. And my ancestors were not even in this country yet! Not to mention that these atrocities were not committed against you! I’m am tired of the excuses and that one WON’T work! You are not being held here against your will and neither were your parents when they decided to conceive you and have you be born in this country. So stop with the bulls**t!!!

      • http://liberty Tony

        Dear Nancy:
        You, like your misguided friends, miss my point entirely. I’m not saying that it’s “your fault”
        what happened in the past. Also, if you read my post carefully, i stated that this is the best
        country for all people regardless who they are. Next, it’s true Black people have to help themselves, there’s no if ands or buts about it. If other groups can come in and be successful, then the excuse jar has ran dry. However, people need to be allowed to help themselves. When gov. interfer this is the result. Now, try to comprehend better before flying off the handle. Thanks!! In addition, you should be so enamored with the Tea Party
        type for they’ll have people such as yourself bare-foot, pregnant, wearing an apron and back in the kitchen. In the meanwhile, they’ll try to have me back in the cotton field. Think about that for awhile before responding. TGIF!!

      • http://liberty Tony

        Another correction shouldn’t.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Tony, I will give you this: I believe that black people are being enslaved by welfare. The politicians give them just enough to keep them coming back for more but never enough to truly get by. Many of these people have been duped into thinking these politicians care about them. Welfare is just a way to keep you beholden and buy your votes. Then you’ve got Margaret Sanger and the likes, who created planned parenthood for the expressed purpose of eliminating the black race. The black people have been deluded into thinking that the only way they can make it is to take what they’re given or take whatever they want. Somehow, you’ve GOT to build real pride in your people. Parents need to take back their parenting from the schools and the government. Teach their children that pride and success come from hard work and not from the government. Fathers need to be fathers and teach their sons how to be men and how to treat their mothers and their wives. They need to teach their daughters that they have value and can do anything they set their minds to. As long as a black child learns that no one cares or that theyre doomed to fail, they will give up. These things can only be fixed by the black people in your famines and communities. Tell the government No thanks! Start with this generation of children!

    • Doug

      Well Michael if you are saying that white people made the black people become slaves and get on ships from Africa to America then you shoud be attacking your fore fathers because it was them who were more than willing to sell their own people for money. And if you are so against people becoming slaves what may I ask are you doing now to stop the slave trade still going on with black selling blacks into slavery?? And let me know just how long were you a slave during your life??? You know what you are a racist all cultures have experience slavery among their cultures. As from the movie I see Racist People any you Michael are one of them. I suggest you read up on MLK and find out what dignity is about and by the way Martin was a Republican because who knew that the Democrates are nothing but racist thier symbol should be the noose!

    • DaveH

      Michael Jay says — “I am so sick and tired of this Kangaroo Justice that everyone knows exist but the majority just ignores is since its not personal to them”.
      Yet he is happy to be an apologist to the Kangaroo Justice performed by the MSM against Zimmerman. Typical Liberal.

  • ZED

    The time for the ultimate dust-up is upon us. Lock & Load, but remember to start at the homes of all these lame-stream media whores so that they and their radical left wing families are terrified. Then we move onto the minority sub-humans. No longer will we let these minority scum rule our actions and lives. KILL THEM ALL AND LET THE GARBAGE MEN SORT OUT THE ROTTING CORPSES!

    • castaway

      (offensive comment removed)

      • Flashy

        Castaways remarks….is there any wonder now why there is so much racial tension in this nation? Jeesh …

    • Oneguess

      Ouch! How much were you paid to post ? Just a plant I see.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      You’re either an idiot or a plant…or both.
      Stupid is as stupid does.

      • castaway

        Take a look a black history. What are the prison populations mostly made up of? I know a black lady from work who also has a 15 year old son, who is about 6’6″ , and has a good home, and everything he needs, but has a history of drugs, aggression, and violence and stealing his moms car. Good at home, but leave with his hoodie on, and then goes out on a stealing spree. Gets a dumb white girl knocked up, and dumps her for another white girl. Even this kids mom is afraid of him, and cannot discipline him, and is very careful what she says to him.

        I really do not care what you think, the facts are the facts, and this is a self defense issue. Trayvon was a punk gangbanger, and it got him killed. Oh and yes my friends son, is now doing time for something, and I did not ask what it was. She has been abused by black men since she was about 11 years old.

        If I was a betting man, I would say yes Trayvon attacked Zimmerman from behind, and Zimmerman saw death at his door, and shot Trayvon in self defense.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        castaway, are you addressing my comment to Zed or Zed?

  • Bikerpop

    Oh yes, and anyone who sees through all the media hype and BS is conveniently labled as a: “conspiracy theorist”!
    It’s not hard to see that the MSM, controlled by the PE, IS fomenting a race war. After all, that would contribute to their goal of “reducing world population” too, would it not?
    Also the NWO they strive to bring about, would solve the problem and be welcomed by the uninformed masses as the solution to this problem. They create the problem and then offer the solution while the sheeple go along with the program.
    Not much different than Caesar appeasing the “mob” to by pass the rule of law and maintain controll in ancient Rome IMO.
    Axiom: Those in power will do anything and everything to stay there!

    • DaveH

      Yep, that’s what it’s all about. The Leaders and their Crony Capitalists thrive by turning us against each other.
      The reality of prejudice is that Government Meddling just makes it worse. People always have been, and always will be prejudiced. It’s in our nature. It’s what keeps us from climbing into Polar Bear cages when we don’t really know that the Bear is a man-eater (Ask Timothy Treadwell).
      And in fact anybody, who thinks, knows that racism is a two-way street. The only way to conquer it is with education, Not Big Government. The Leaders just want more Power and more Perks at the rest of our expense.

    • Vicki

      This video even talks about the effect of causing riots then jumping in offering to “save” the people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      starting about 3:50 gives the examples.

      The whole clip is really good and I suggest you listen to the entire thing.

    • castaway

      Correct, and they are currently doing a darn good job staying in power. Americans should rise up grab their arms, and pull this goverment down. Our founding documents tell us we are obligated to do this with a government as we now have. So, if they can divide us, then we will fight amongst ourselves. It is really difficult to believe what I am wittnessing today in America. What a sad time it is for us all. We are losing and will lose our republic, the Constitution, and Bill of Rights very soon, and no one will do anything to stop it.

      Oh yes, they will vote em all out in November. LOL Are Americans nothing more than a bunch of woosies?

  • Ed Robinson

    I believe it is time to organize something on the order of an anti Black Panther group, solely to keep a watchful eye on them ,and to document all their doings for possible prosicution . No violence just watch them, of course be able to defend ones self IF attacked ,which is most likely to happen because these thugs know no other way to handle things !!!! Lets call the group” The White Tigers ” that ought to tick a few people off!!!

    • http://liberty Tony

      To Ed Robinson:
      There are plenty of white groups that are no different from the panthers only in reverse. They’re called the KKK, Amren, Stormfront, and The Tea Party-that’s right. Now, for the last time and for the love of God. This isn’t so much race as negligence by a pathetic failed human being named George Zimmerman. If this article would print the whole 911 tape in its’ entirety, you’ll would see that Zimmerman was told not to get involved nor engage in the sit. Let the police handle it. By the fact that Zimmerman got involved, this bad sit. took place. No please stick with the whole story,lets not make a mountain out of a molehill!! Thanks!! TGIF!!

      • Capitalist at Birth

        You are obviously not paying attention to the facts. I am sorry for your level of ignorance (very high.) That is your problem, however, not mine. i never waste my time arguing with idiots.

      • KW

        Try reading the facts. When the police told him he didn’t need to follow Martin, he said “okay” and returned toward his vehicle.
        You can try to twist, but those damned old FACTS are stubborn things.
        Try this article for a level headed report of the facts, as known, interviews with eye witness, etc.- http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/zimmerman_and_ketman.html
        There was also a map published early on in this fiasco. Try reading this – http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/04/wheres_the_map.html
        If you have google earth, go here – 28 47″33.00″N 81 19’51.13″W – for a better map while reading the last article and you’ll see Trayvon backtracked to confront Zimmerman.
        This info (remember the police were on the phone with Z for over 4 minutes?), the evidence collected at the scene, as well as the witness testimony validate Zimmerman’s
        story.
        There is a reason Zimmerman was not charged.

      • Ted G

        Tony,

        The Teat Party are like the Black Panthers…come on get real.

        What a tool!

      • Flashy

        ted…hate ta tell you…but it’s closer to truth than not…

      • Katharine

        The Tea Party????? Since when is a group of people protesting government spending on the same level as the KKK? And what happened to “innocent until proven guilty”? Let the Court take care of this issue as that’s where Zimmerman should be on trial and not in the “court of public opinion”.

      • eddie47d

        Remember Conservative at Birth the BP’s only have a few members and the KKK have hundreds so who are the real troublemakers? Shall we list the dirty deeds of either group and I’ll assure you that the guys in the white hoods will be way out on top.

      • http://liberty Tony

        Dear Capitalist at Birth:
        You’re the worthless idiot as the rest here, who’s making this Zimmerman case into an race issue. The question i have is, what’s the difference with all the garbage you people say and that of Rev. Al Sharpton? Tell me!! TGIF!!

      • Doug

        Tea Party is racist eh??? Please Tony lets see your file on all the racist stuff the Team Party does??? You know Tony a mind is a terrible thing to waste and you my friend should be using yours to pick up dog crap because its very obvious that you don’t use yours. Ever been to a Tea Party advent their Tony? Yea I did not think so and funny thing when Tea Partiers meet in large groups the area in which they meet is cleaner when they leave then when they got there. Please tell me about other groups who do that and open their arms to all who want nothing but our country to abide by the law of the land the Constitution and the Bill of Rights! Tony grow up!

      • Flashy

        “Ever been to a Tea Party advent ”

        Yep. More than one. Very white, very one sided and narrow viewpoints. Unwilling to discuss unless you’re nodding your head in agreement at some tirade, very racist remarks, and a picnic atmosphere for the most part.

        The ‘picnic” atmosphere is telling. the movement has no legs and will soon disappear as an aberrant footnote in our history.

      • Windrinker

        I think there is a moron out there named “Tony.” He makes up his own “facts” just like flashy.

        The 911 operator told Zimmerman “We don’t NEED you to follow him (tryiton.)” They tell callers this, trying to keep them SAFE and out of danger!

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “ted…hate ta tell you…but it’s closer to truth than not”.
        Sure, Flashman, like you know anything about truth.
        Here is a good example of Flashman’s twisted behavior. Follow the thread to see the full exposure of Flashman’s lack of credibility:
        http://personalliberty.com/2012/01/25/your-choice-ron-paul-or-a-wheelbarrow/#comment-517886

      • DaveH

        If I were a bona fide Progressive, I’d be trying to get Flashman off this board, because he’s making Progressives look very bad. But then, maybe that’s because they are?

      • Windrinker

        Tony, when the Black Panthers all start wearing “Depends” they will have something in common with the TEA Party!

        That statement of yours makes you lose all credibility.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Windrinker:
        So, you admit that the Tea Party are worthless fools by saying they were depends, Huh!?!
        I, basically, try not to answer pathetic plebs but this time i’ll lower myself. You see Windrinker it’s backward good ole’boys such as yourself that make rational conservatives look bad. You have simplistic, Mccarthyite ways of relating. Now, i would agree that Blacks have to help themselves and stop depending on outside sources. However, the reason why there’s so much animosities is because of dummies like yourself, Dave, and the rest of the simplistic ilk of the Tea Partiers. Fare thee well. Happy Easter!!

      • http://liberty Tony

        Correction wear not were. If i’m going to debate this type then i should use proper English!!

      • Brad J.

        Okay. Let me see… Yes, I’m sure of it. Herman Cain is a Tea Party supporter. Now, the last time I checked, I do believe the color of his skin was black. So, to say that the Tea Party is racist is just plain ignorance at its best. Plus they don’t go around spewing hatred for blacks like the KKK does or the skin heads of the world do. On another note, this Flashy dude is a complete idiot. Every time he writes something I have to shake my head in amazement at how ignorant he truly is, as all liberals seem to be. Common sense seems to be lacking from their vocabulary. I could care less what color a person’s skin is. It’s one’s character that should be held accountable. Unfortunately, the elites in our liberal government refuse to follow that rule, and instead pit races against one another in order to achieve their New World Order agenda. Very sad, to say the least. Even Martin Luther King is looking down upon us all, shaking his head, asking, “Did not anyone hear what I said?”

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Katharine says, “The Tea Party????? Since when is a group of people protesting government spending on the same level as the KKK?”

        The left just has to have a bogeyman since Bush/Cheney left office. If you’re not a Marxist/socialist/communist/progressive you must be a TP’er.

        This is the largest grass roots movement ever seen in the country…one would think they would just listen to the Tea Party’s message and find common ground rather than distort, demonize and outright lie.

        The Tea Party is not a political party. It does not seek power and money. The Tea Party is the primal voice of “No.” It is the embodiment of the admonition that when you find yourself at the bottom of a hole you should stop digging.

        The Tea Party does not want Congress to do the People’s business. It wants the People to do the People’s business, each minding his own.

        I have never seen such a concerted effort to demonize a group of peaceful demonstrators. They even clean up their own trash at the rallies. Yet we find the sociopathic at every level choosing to vilify these people who have a small clear message… less taxation, smaller government, and more efficient and less spending.

        • UWorlds1

          I am willing to bet most of those TPers get some form of government handout. Get real!!

      • Windrinker

        There is a moron on this blog that calls himself, Tony!

        Of course some radical progressive like you, would never “get the point” about those TEA party members! Since you have sucumbed to and are “parroting”: the illegal foreinger and his ilk, you lose all credibility. You know that I was drawing an extreme difference between the young, radical extremists, racists, black criminals that make up the Black Panthers.

        Many of the TEA Party members are retired, They are grandparents and they remember a great America. They believe in small government and believe we need to stop this government from the ourtrageous spending. So, they are hated by the illegal foreigner. After the 2010 election, they were put on Homeland Security’s terrorist list! They are not alone, as our soldiers returning from the Middle East share the same accusation from Homeland Security, run by (fat, exceedingly dumb and unqualified) Nappytano. The Black Panthers should be put on the “terrorists watch list,” instead.

        TEA Party members are “true Americans” that believe in the Constitution and abhor what you and your kind want to do to this country. Americans don’t like what you preach and none want what the progressives offer! You are in the minority and advocating a socialist agenda that always fails! It has always failed and it always will. And let me add that you better make sure you want what you wish for because, your useless-self will have no better fate than the rest of us..

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        UWorlds1 says, “I am willing to bet most of those TPers get some form of government handout. Get real!!”

        Really? Really? That’s quite a contribution you’ve made to the conversation! Get back to me on the 15th or the 1st, after you get your assistance check, and we’ll take you up on that bet!

        I guess I should ask first…do you consider qualified recipients who paid Social Security taxes and are recieving monthly Social Security benefits(not SSI)as a “government handout”?

        • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

          JeffH, have you really checked out what the Tea Party really stands for or are you just passing on the garbage the the left keeps regurgitating? The Tea Party is a grass-root organization the wants less Government, less taxes and most of all we want to be left alone. Oh, the Left keeps characterizing the Tea Party as racist, we are not because if you look closer there are all kinds of people associated with the movement: Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, Red.

          If you really want to know about the Tea Party check out their web site: Just Google Tea Party, you might learn something.

          MAY GOD BLESS THE US OF A and MAY SHE REIGN FOREVER!

      • Vicki

        Tony says:

        Dear Capitalist at Birth:
        You’re the worthless idiot as the rest here,

        Thanks for wearing a sign so we can recognize a liberal right at the start of your post.

        who’s making this Zimmerman case into an race issue.

        Racist liberals. Obviously. NBC in particular by their clever editing of the 911 tape.

      • DaveH

        So Tony thinks his inane comments are debating? I give you an “F”, Tony. You’ll have to try the Liberal Boards where you’ll fare better with emotional manipulative tactics in lieu of logic.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.), may I suggest you re-read my 2 posts on the Tea Party. I am a Central Valley Tea Party(Fresno, CA) supporter and have attended many Tea Party gatherings. I’m quite the opposite of what you have stated.

        • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

          Sorry, JeffH, for my remarks but from your latest post it sure sounded like you were making the Tea Party out to be a bunch of Racist. I say again I sorry about my remarks.

      • DaveH

        And Tony, keep up the good work. You’re making Flashman appear intelligent.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Windrinker:
        Again you prove how little you know about me and what i stand for. Also, you proved my point about Mccarthyite tactics. You know, this is called assuming without knowing. There’s a beautiful lesson about assuming. When you assume and don’t know you make an @ss out of me and you. But more so you than me. Now, i’ve stated so many times on this website that’s it’s getting not only boring but irritating. I’m not some “leftie progressive
        radical”. I’m a fiscal/rational conservative in the mold of the Late W.F.Buckley,late Jack Kemp, and recently retired Tony Brown. The difference between you, your Tea party cronies, and me is i’m not a simply minded, reactionary fascist. That’s right, that’s what you Tea party types are. I’m sorry but that’s the truth. You’ll take our country back 40-200 yrs. That’s the days before the 19th ammendment and the Emancipation proclaimation. This Tea party virus is a curse to real conservatives and has to be eradicated. Fare well!!

      • http://liberty Tony

        Hey Dave H.:
        Anyone compared to you looks intelligent. My niece, who’s autistic, is a genius next to you with your “enlighten Tea party fiends”. You know in a bizarre way, you gave me the ultimate compliment. One thing is certain, Flashy is way more knowledgeable then you ever can be. Thanks again for making my day and proving my point about your foolishness. So long!!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.), not a prob and thank you for your service to this country. I tend to use a little sarcasm in many of my responses…especially to the really dumb ones by the ignorant liberals. Yours wasn’t one of them.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Tony says “Flashy(falsy)is way more knowledgeable than you(DaveH).

        Much like falsy(flashy)you have damaged what little credibility you may have had even further…but keep on thinkin’ that way…it’s laughable entertainment.

      • Vicki

        Tony says:

        Hey Dave H.:
        Anyone compared to you looks intelligent. My niece, who’s autistic, is a genius next to you with your “enlighten Tea party fiends”.

        Congratulations. 3 ad hominem attacks and one attempt to ridicule the developmentally disabled. Your credibility rating now equals Flashy. (Flashy is that you?)

      • castaway

        Tony, you need to lay off the dope. Its making you senseless.

      • DaveH

        You’re not a Conservative, Tony. You’re just a different category of Progressive. Like all Progressives, you think Big Government is the answer, even though the vast body of evidence proves otherwise.
        Emancipation Proclamation? You’re probably ignorantly unaware that it was strictly a war measure that didn’t even free the Northern Slaves. I’ll bet you believe that Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack also.
        To call you ignorant, Tony, would be insulting to ignorant people.

      • Void1972

        Tony
        You keep on bringing up the “Tea Party” as being a racist organization. Can you please give us an instance where this racist behavior occurred? I know of nothing that the tea Party has to do with any racist activity.
        The “Tea Party” did have a million members march very peacefully on Washington a few years back, many of them black, and did not have one occurrence of racism, not one arrest, and left the grounds spotless.
        The “Tea Party” promoted faith in God, Love of America, cutting wasteful spending and bringing back the morals that you fight against.
        Your million man March on Washington was another story. The majority of speakers knocked America and God. Spoke of how good communism is (you cannot believe in God and be communist) and continued to demand that you are “owed” reparations for the American “Tragedy” (that we continue to pay for this day) called slavery.
        You had dozens of arrest and left the DC area such a mess, it took millions of dollars and weeks to clean up.
        Now since you stated that you consider America “the best place in the world to live” and consider yourself a “conservative” I have to come to the conclusion that you have a disease called Bi Polar disorder, which is in the same mental disorder category called “Liberalism”.
        When you called the Knoxville Horror, where a young 19 year old couple were carjacked and brought to a home where they were both repeatedly brutally raped and tortured, the “Knoxville Tragedy” and tried to justify the evil insanity of your like, I knew you were totally demented.
        Your “Brothers” repeatedly orally and anally raped the young man for two days before cutting his penis off and setting him on fire while still alive.
        The true “Horror” happened to the young girl who they kept alive for two more days. You can’t imagine and I can’t even speak about it.
        You try to condone this because of your pride in your people, and blame this evil on other evil acts committed against your people. You want to cast off responsibility as you’re so trained to do in life.
        Yes, these Brothers are your kind of people, the sick, demented, evil scum that has infested the liberal community, and the liberal community continues to protect.
        Tony, you need to get some help for your sickness before you wind up in a system that is already infested with your “Brothers”. Another insanely high cost to the American tax payer.
        And you have the gall to blame the Tea Party for anything? Wake up freak, and take a good long look in the mirror, and there you will see the true face of “Racism”.

    • mdbonjr

      I haven’t personally involved myself in any movement but, I have personally witnessed a Tea Party rally. Amazing it was! Blacks, whites, democrats, republicans. Hugging, shaking hands, cleaning up behind themselves. I could not believe the overwhelming, horrid and terrifying actions I witnessed. How horrible that there was peace and no racism. I mean, the media had nothing to report about. Just a bunch of patriots. You know, those demon blooded terrosist type.

      • UWorlds1

        Don’t you think watching people is against personal liberty? I am sure you can find better things to do with your time. I think the new ‘black panthers’ have all of six people in their group.

      • mdbonjr

        Careful now uworlds. Don’t make presumptions. My post was meant to be entirely sarcastic. I apologize if I did not make that clear enough for you. I know you don’t know me from Adam so, I’ll define my statement a bit more for you. While in the course of my duties as an active, tax paying, contributing member of society (working), I happened to be given an order for a business directly across from the grounds upon which a TP rally was taking place. I observed for a short bit and was extremely proud of what I witnessed. The event was entirely peaceful. I happened to pass through the area a short bit later and witnessed virtually everyone there cleaning up behind themselves. This is obviously in direct contradiction to what the LSM (lamestream media) and liberals would have us believe about the Tea Party. Please re-read my previous post and hopefully you can now get a chuckle from it.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        mdbonjr, you do know that UWorlds1 is a liberal and therefore knows what you should do with your time better than you do.

      • mdbonjr

        I did catch on to that Jeff. I’m wagering that his misinformed mentality will miss my subtle sarcasm in my reply to him as well.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        mdbonjr :)! Got yer back covered.

      • Vicki

        UWorlds1 says:

        Don’t you think watching people is against personal liberty?

        People watching is a time honored tradition. Always done by children (where do you think children learn behavior?) and often done by young adults. There have even been songs about it. It is a tradition that is still practiced even today.
        http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/10/15/travel/15weekend.html

        It is a natural side effect of association. Since we live in a country that supposedly protects freedom of association which necessarily includes the freedom to NOT associate, when someone doesn’t like people watching them, they are free to go where there are no people.

        If done for long periods of time these people are traditionally called “hermits”.

  • 1 Fearless !

    When is the MSM going to get this worked up over Black on Black Crime?

    • Ed Robinson

      Or Black on White crime !!!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Muckraking media in 2012 sells stories based on emotion. Thinking people are harder to make mobs of or be manipulated.

      • castaway

        Then you are saying there are very very few thinkers in this country, that is being led astray?

    • eddie47d

      1fearless would you care and would you do anything about it. Or would we hear crickets?

  • JimH

    Tape was edited this time. It was also edited in the Rodney King inncident.
    I’m sure “creative news reporting has been around since the first news paper.
    The news media is a business, looking for ratings and circulation. It’s not a service to provide us with information.
    If it doesn’t bleed it doesn’t lead.
    Unrest creates news.(aka business)
    The MSM talks about unethical business practices on Wall Street. They need to look into a mirror. The Rodney King misreporting caused riots.(more news)
    The irresponsable reporting of this has caused racial tension. (more news)

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Tell Comcast Board Members that it’s Time to Clean House at NBC!

    NBC’s news operation is out of control. In New York, NBC employees deceptively edited a 9-1-1 tape to mislead people into thinking a racist statement was made – when it was not. In Florida, Al Sharpton -another NBC News employee – is trying to start a riot. NBC News is playing with fire to advance their left wing political agenda. NBC caved to MRC Action pressure and ‘apologized’ for their deceitful editing, but it’s not enough.

    NBC maliciously and deceptively edited a tape of Zimmerman’s 9-1-1 call to further incite racial animosity.

    NBC’s “investigation” and apology are a joke. Comcast needs to get to the bottom of how and why this happened & hold people accountable.

    NBC Host Al Sharpton has taken his race-baiting to a new level and is deliberately stirring up dangerous civil strife in Florida

    NBC is endangering lives and property by stoking racial hatred.

    I thought when Comcast bought NBC, you would clean up the hateful speech and divisiveness on MSNBC, but it has gotten even worse.

    You should all be ashamed of what the NBC brand has become.
    Al Sharpton and Phil Griffin should be fired immediately

    http://www.cleanhouseatnbc.org/board-al?

    • eddie47d

      I will give FOX credit for canning race baiter Glenn Beck and all media outlets should be concerned about who they hire and the message they send out. Sensationalism sells and those who watch can be just as guilty.

  • Tom Cook

    Thanks for a reasonable column. There is too much racism rampant in this country and it is promulgated by blacks. Period. Whites now give blacks way too much credit for civility which as a group they do not deserve. Blacks in America in this day–as a group–are vulgar, ignorant, self-serving, anti-American,thug-worshiping, substandard, low-achieving, envious, amoral, animalistic, third-raters convinced by the deluded self-loathing liberals that they are owed a living. Their heroes are not the blacks who deserve admiration like Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams, but the fools and morons like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. It is way past time for blacks to grow up.

    • Flashy

      “..as a group–are vulgar, ignorant, self-serving, anti-American,thug-worshiping, substandard, low-achieving, envious, amoral, animalistic, third-raters”

      Sounds like a white supremist group doesn’t it?

      • Ted G

        Flashy,

        You are just as bad as Sharpton and Jackson.

        Try to add some value to the discussion, because right now you sound like just another ignorant a$$hole.

      • Flashy

        Ted…am I wrong? Isn’t that what this discussion is all about? BOTH extremes are present and active and playing the media like the lead violinist at the symphony?

      • Brad

        So Flashy when was the last time the lame stream media covered a black on white hate crime? We had those two white college students killed by five blacks or those two British tourist, in the wrong place at the wrong time, shot by a black man. What about all the killings that happened over St. Patty’s day in Chicago, 10 people lost their lives, all black on black to include a 7 year old. When was the last time white people demonstrated and I mean recent history, old news doesn’t count.

      • DaveH

        Tom was being Racist. Flashman was correct. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
        If we are to lump people together for the crimes of others, what is the incentive for the good people to remain good?
        I can’t think of any Black people I’ve known during my life who weren’t Good People. They do have a problem with being racist, and blaming whites for their problems. But the Government has fomented such feelings by catering to them with special discriminatory laws which do nothing positive, but a lot negative by creating resentment among the unfavored classes. We just need to get the Government out of Freedom of Association issues where they have no business being.

    • Ted Crawford

      Unfortunately, Tom , there is plenty of Racism to go around throughout all ethnic groups. I had noticed over the last 15 or so years that the majority of racist comments were comming from minorities. I’m more concerned with the fact that over the last 2 or so years I’ve noticed a marked increase in these comments, once again, comming from my ” White ” associates! I contribute this to the very successful deployment of Alinsky tactics of the current administration!

    • Windrinker

      And, if anyone doubts Tom, they need to talk with anyone that volunteered at the Houston Astrodome when the city of Houston took in the Katrina victims.

      These animals sh– on the floors, people were scared to go to the bathrooms, the volunteers were intimidated, they pissed everywhere and on anyone. It was a travesty and many White people left in disgust after trying to help..

      Many of these animals never left, the crime rate in Houston, increased substantially!
      It changed the city when the purpose was only to give aid to people in need. What a nice reward for the city of Houston.

      • William 1

        As I have said before, coming form the South one supposes, wrongly, that I am prejudiced. But now as we look at the results of the 60′s forced integration and the level we have had to “dumb” down our great education system then one is no longer prejudiced as the facts speak for themselves-where there are blacks there is crime, murders, rapes, stealing, invasion of property, lawlessness, making babies that others have to pay for and leaving their girl friend-wife alone for the other five-there are no more prejudice about blacks-IT IS AN ESTABLISHED FACT NOW LOOK AROUND! They are their own worst enemies!
        If they want to blame somebody look at their own grand parents who were offered a free ride back to Africa after certain wars here and they refused to go-wonder why but then look at their home land-don’t bring that crap here!

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Tom says”…Blacks in America in this day–as a group–are vulgar, ignorant, self-serving, anti-American,thug-worshiping, substandard, low-achieving, envious, amoral, animalistic, third-raters convinced by the deluded self-loathing liberals that they are owed a living.”

      Tom, you’re wrong and that statement is just as racist as anything Sharpton, Watters or Jackson could have said.

      • Windrinker

        Jeff, Catch a Grip!

        Anyone that has to resort to calling someone “racists” to prove a point, CAN’T!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Windrinker, WOW!, that’s quite a compelling arguement you just posted! Just where did I err in my comment? Perhaps you’d be better served to take a long look in the mirror yourself!

      • Windrinker

        Jeff, I don’t have to use the word “racist” to prove a point nor do I have to use “racist” when I don’t have anything better to say!

        Some people, like radical Lefties, have no retort but one…”racist!”

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Tom said it and some people like myself will call it as it really is. What Tom said stunk of racism and it matters little to me whether it comes from a liberal, moderate or conservative.

        Let the liberals continue to cry wolf, that’s what they do best, but by God don’t hand them what they’re looking for on a silver platter.

    • mdbonjr

      I feel like you owe everyone an apology Tom. Your statement is vulgar and racist. Please don’t attempt to make things worse than they already are.

  • http://httpaol.com sean murrey ILLInio

    Jackson .sharpton, Obummer are starting a race war.

    • Deerinwater

      Well, no they are not. If there be one, it would be due to “peoples reaction” to them.

      It’s for each of us to control ourselves and not allow “other’s” to control us.

      I had a wife once that made me want to be mean to her. If I had, who’s fault would it have been? her’s or mine? The judge told me it was my fault, I come to accept that as a truth and a lesson in life.

      Control of yourself is your responsibility and no one else.

      • Brad

        Oh yes they are….

      • Honestly

        Deeinwater…If they are we don’t have to get on board with that, do we?

      • Vicki

        Well said. Never let people “make” you do something. You don’t want to give others that kind of power over you.

      • http://windstream Joe

        I see your point but here is another side of that coin. If you are forced to be angry at someone and you control that anger it gives you the power. ALL of the power over that person. In fact it will make them nuts! But when you do it be prepared for them to retaliate with more negative behavior to provoke you more and more. Then if you are forced to defend yourself … what is it called? Is it self defense or are you guilty of assault?
        Would it depend upon the judge -or the police who are called to the scene afterward?
        Lets say that this young man Trayvon was walking in the rain and that he was acting a bit odd considering the weather and he was obviously attempting to get further from Mr. Zimmerman who was following him. That seems like it could be just an occurence – right? Treyvon liked to walk in the rain? He enjoyed doing so while talking on his cell phone? He was just going around for a walk in the rain with purchases from the store and talking to his friend on his phone- right? So why did he run? was he afraid of Mr. Zimmerman? This was a gaited community. Not the streets of some back alley! If he was wary of the reason for Zimmermans following him why didn’t he ask him? Who provoked whom? Who assaulted who first? These are the questions. The fact that Zimmerman has a gun and that he carried it and used it in the line of ( alleged ) self defense is the entire question. Those who wish to paint this as racism or as anything they want are the guilty. This was a sad situation for two men who for whatever reason happened to cross path’s at the same apartment complex and who responded to each others behavior in their own way. It’s up to a judge and jury to figure it out. NOT the media and not folks who have agendas.

  • Deerinwater

    It seems that television News media wants “attention” ,all of them. They fight for this attention and the market share and is available. That’s what they want Chip, they attempt to feed people what they “think” they want to hear and call it “the news”.

    The average TV watcher and how it’s determined who the TV watcher “is” I’m not completely sure. But one thing I am rather certain of, they are not the sharpest tools in the tool box.

    Much of the programming presented today is dumbed down for mass appeal.

    Case in point, what normal , healthy person of average intelligence could stay connected to Al Sharpton or some of the many other talking heads from all networks for 30 minutes straight? Not many I would think. Most people have a life and something better, more constructive to do.

    I do not believe that what they call “their market” as being very representative of the “average American” today.

    In the last few weeks, I’ve found it more difficult to watch then ever before. So I’ve all but discontinued viewing TV news and TV in general.

    Finding staying current via the Net seems a better alternative for persons with busy lives.

  • Sanders

    With all the racially divisive comments coming from Obummer and Holder over the past few years it leaves me wondering when all the rioting will begin making the Rodney King riots pale in comparison. Could all this lead to a civil war of sorts, blacks against whites? This would no doubt lead to Marshal Law and Obummer could cancel the elections that he is almost certain to lose.my powder is dry and at the ready.

    • Ted Crawford

      Francis Piven is certainly doing her part to make this happen! She is out there referencing the austerity riots of Greece and Spain, as well as the student uprisings in the UK and demanding that America follow these examples!

      • Vicki

        Considering how hard they are trying, I find it very satisfying how un-sturrable the American people have been over this issue. Unless there are large riots somewhere that MSM is not reporting. And I find that hard to believe cause MSM likes sensational stories.

    • eddie47d

      Fearmonger Sanders there will not be any cancelled elections in 2012 or anytime soon. Stop spreading irrational fear to feed your already paranoid mind.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        Nobody, is advocating a race war or seek to promote one. Sentiments of race war keeps creeping up from those consumed by hatred and resentment of president Obama. They choose to make an innocent child death into political forum. All news media of repute and decent Americans of character and impartiality have asked for a thorough investigation. and trial so that This is the only way we will get at the facts of that night. All we have is the story of a man who executed an innocent unharmed child based on his perception of him as a suspicious looking character.His case can only be argued in court and ruled upon by a judge and jurors. In doing so the family of Trayvon win or lose will have some justice and know why their son had to die. To get to that we must have an arrest. So far the Sandford police just took the murderer’s version of things, released him and were willing to close the case had there not been an outcry. You found nothing wrong with this. I cant help but wonder if you would share the same feeling had it been a close family member. Remember that in the absence of race and hatred we are all one and the same. We all must die one day and our ideology, political affiliation , money and racial superiority wont save us . We bleed the same blood and feel the same pain. We will one day answer to an impartial God so let your conviction be sure.

  • lee

    hey Flashy. Youre as bad as the rest of them jumping to conclusions about the Martin case before you even know the facts.You are like the laime streem media. MORONS

    • Flashy

      What facts did I state that are disputed. it is the barest of event timeline. If you see where i wrote something as what is undisputed..and it’s disputed…let’s have it. As i see it..anything more that the barest of time profiles is in dispute.

      • douglcfl

        Flashy, you need to learn the difference between a fact and an assertion. Just because you assert something to be true that is not disputed doesn’t make it a fact. A fact is something that is corroborated by evidence. The absence of corroborating evidence means that your assertion is simply a theory for what happened. You seem to be willing to accuse someone of murder based on a theory. Thats what any in the media are doing as well. Zimmerman hasn’t been arrested because there isn’t sufficient evidence to warrant charges. We have rights in this country that protect us from false arrest which is what it would be if Zimmerman is arrested simply so we can calm everyone down. Do you want to live in a country where you can be arrested for political reasons? Do lyberty and cival rights matter to you? Listen to yourself and get a clue…

      • Flashy

        Doug…I listed five “facts’ which should not be in dispute. It’s the barest of facts. Are you saying of those 5 listed, you dispute one or that there is a 6th/

        Feel free to enunciate and clarify your vague assertions

      • eddie47d

        Almost every comment today is an assertion Douglcfl including yours. If you can’t point out what was wrong about Flashy’s remarks then you have little rational for what you said.

      • douglcfl

        Here are your statements (assertions)…

        Be that as it may…we know for certain

        1. Zimmerman was a self appointed community cop with a history of aggressiveness and an insecurity streak compensated by a macho stance.
        2. Martin was known in the area, and the area is not exclusive as to race.
        3. Zimmerman stalked Martin and ignored police instructions to back off
        4. No one saw the confrontation
        5. Zimmerman shot and killed Martin.

        it was not a self defense situation with any story until Zimmerman created a confrontation. And yes, he created it. He stalked the kid and ignored directions not to. He was armed and this probably emphasized his “macho’ Clint Eastwood hero fantasies. And the insane law allowing someone to kill if they “thought” they were in danger is…as i said…insane.

        I’ll deal with # 1 as an example. You assert that “Zimmerman was a self appointed community cop with a history of aggressiveness and an insecurity streak compensated by a macho stance”.

        First off the “self appointed community cop” statement is in dispute. There have been reports in the news media that say he was not self appointed. He was part of the Neighborhood Watch group.

        The remainder of your statement is pure speculation and you are simply parroting what the news media has said. “an insecurity streak compensated by a macho stance” really, you claim that is a fact? Give me a break. That is an opinion about Zimmerman’s phychi. Are you a psycologist? Even if you were that statement would only be an opinion. Even an expert opinion is not the same thing as a fact.

        How about #3. Zimmerman stalked Martin and ignored police instructions to back off.

        Zimmerman “followed” Martin (charactizing it is stalking is bias not fact). It is unclear whether he ignored police instructions or not. Zimmerman claims he started back to his truck and Martin confronted him. Without corroboration (assertion #4. No one saw the confrontation) you don’t know that Zimmerman ignored police instructions. Zimmerman’s account could be true.

      • Brad

        Flashy you are a man full of answers, how do you answer Dougs post, inquiring minds want to know…

      • Flashy

        I’ll deal with # 1 as an example. You assert that “Zimmerman was a self appointed community cop with a history of aggressiveness and an insecurity streak compensated by a macho stance”.

        First off the “self appointed community cop” statement is in dispute. There have been reports in the news media that say he was not self appointed. He was part of the Neighborhood Watch group.

        [ Check it out. there is no organized Neighborhood Watch Group. he was the only "member' ...]
        ===Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs’ Association (NSA) — the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch — it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization===

        There are also several reports by newspapers from neighbors saying there wasn’t any organized watch…it was Zimmerman acting on his own. And they both welcomed and disliked his neighborhood snoopiness.

        But I see your point, there may have been news media statements to the contrary. Have any cites?
        ===========

        The remainder of your statement is pure speculation and you are simply parroting what the news media has said. “an insecurity streak compensated by a macho stance” really, you claim that is a fact? Give me a break. That is an opinion about Zimmerman’s phychi. Are you a psycologist? Even if you were that statement would only be an opinion. Even an expert opinion is not the same thing as a fact.

        [ OK..you're correct in part. The "insecurity streak compensated by a macho stance" may be over the top. It's a usual complex for people acting as Zimmerman, but to assert he has such as a definite ... I take your point. He does have a history of aggressiveness. And he did on at least one occasion confront police and asserted his authority as a "fellow unofficial member of the police". Such is in police reports concerning his standing up for a friend at a bar. ]

        How about #3. Zimmerman stalked Martin and ignored police instructions to back off.

        Zimmerman “followed” Martin (charactizing it is stalking is bias not fact). It is unclear whether he ignored police instructions or not. Zimmerman claims he started back to his truck and Martin confronted him. Without corroboration (assertion #4. No one saw the confrontation) you don’t know that Zimmerman ignored police instructions. Zimmerman’s account could be true.

        [It is clear on every tape the dispatcher is saying not to follow. It is clear he ignored the instructions. Later, Zimmerman states he was walking back to his truck, but that had to be later than when the dispatcher said to back off as his details and descriptions and conversation continues. Stalking means he tracked him. ]

        OK..so lets amend the undisputed facts.

        1. Zimmerman was a self appointed community cop.
        2. In the past, Zimmerman had a history of aggressiveness and asserting some sort of authority.
        3. Zimmerman continued to follow Martin after being instructed by the dispatcher not to.
        4. There was a confrontation
        5. Martin was unarmed, Zimmerman was packing
        6 Martin was shot and died.

        Agree?

      • Vicki

        Flashy gets caught with loose facts but does get 3 that are probably facts by writing:

        4. There was a confrontation
        5. Martin was unarmed, Zimmerman was packing
        6 Martin was shot and died.

        And the only reason I am accepting these 3 facts from flashy is that I have read the police report on the incident.

        Now lets talk for a moment about 5.

        IF and I say IF Martin was the innocent victim the liberals wish us to believe then he is another victim of rabid gun control laws cause he was not allowed to carry a gun despite his right to do so under the 2nd amendment ( His age was 17).

        He also discovered (to late) that a sidewalk is not a good substitute tool for self defense.

  • http://abstract.desktopnexus.com/cat/3d-and-cg/ dennis1946

    obama wants a race war so he can stay in power and take over the military.obama will do anything to stay in power from starting a race war, giving amnesty to million of illegals for their votes to lying.

    • Windrinker

      Yes, I believe that the illegal foreigner wants a race war…and who do you think will be in his “civilian army” that is funded through obamaSCARE!

      It probably will be all the Black Panther types and they will be well armed! It is a good guess anyway. There are many other Americans that would refuse to do “his work” for him..

  • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

    this election IS OVER NOW; you are either an imbecilic liberal or an intelligent [taxpaying] conservative. you either want the government to wipe you nose [or some other area] or you are an independent self supporting adult.

  • Ted Crawford

    This administration is by, geometric proportions, the most divisive in my memory! They have attempted, and succeeded to various degrees, to divide this country along many lines; Racially: With the Professor Gates- Officer Crowley ( beer summit) incident, through this latest Martain-Zimmermann issue.
    Along gender lines with the abortion issue and the latest creation of the Sandra Fluke- Limbaugh issue, Here, with the illadvised and unintentional help of Limbaugh, they managed to successfully turn a discussion on the First Amendment into a brawl over conterception.
    They have even managed to divide us by age groups. By constantly reffering to Social Security and Medicare, insurance policies paid into by the participants, as ” Entitlements “! Unfortunatly here they are again aided by some far right individules!

    • Honestly

      Ted you said….This administration is by, geometric proportions, the most divisive in my memory!

      I totally agree. This is all a plan by our president and his backers to control this country and the elections. He is always trying to manipulate the American people. It is time to WAKE-UP and see what he is doing, before it is too late.

  • Chrisoak

    Oh yes, the video of Zimmerman showing “no injuries” as widely reported by the news media was also tampered with. There WERE obvious injuries to the back of Zimmerman’s head on that video. Let’s see, doctored video, doctored 911 call, posted assumed address of shooter, reported public ransom of a citizen, etc. All this, and the massacre of blacks in Chicago goes unnoticed by the news media and the beloved Jesse and Al.

    • Flashy

      If there were injuries…the police would have them photographed would they not?

      • http://firefox wog1

        Statements do not work?

      • Flashy

        there are enough on this site to state what normal police procedures would be. If there are injuries in a violent incidence…are still photo’s by the police of any physical injuries the SOP ?

      • eddie47d

        Injuries are highlighted in any police report so they would have been shown Chrisoak..You are playing loose with theories not facts.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Both Falsy and eddie spout a loud “DUH!” in tandem. If either of you had read the Sanford police incident report(police report posted online) you would have seen that the injuries to Zimmerman were noted.

        Of course that would refute any of your factless media driven opinions wouldn’t it!
        _____________________________________________________
        Zimmerman was in custody when Ofc. Ayala arrived on scene. Officer Timothy Smith, in his written report, notes that “Zimmerman complied with all my commands and was secured in handcuffs.”

        “Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid. I oberved that Zimmerman’s back was wet and covered with grass…Zimmerman was also bleeding from his nose and the back of his head.”

        Once Zimmerman was cleared by the [Sanford Fire Department], he was transported to the Sanford Police Department.”

        “Zimmerman was placed in an interview room at [Sanford Police Department], where he was interviewed by Investigator D. Singleton.”

        The police reposrt can be seen and read right here:
        http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/27/police-incident-report-fills-in-details-on-trayvon-martin-shooting/

      • Flashy

        The question was and i’ll repeat it … when there are injuries in a possible criminal incident, is it police SOP to take still photo’s of the injuries?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Falsy, why don’t you call the Sanford PD and ask them!

        Sanford Police Department
        815 W. 13th Street
        Sanford , Florida 32771
        Phone: 407.688.5070
        Fax: 407.688.5071
        Dispatch: 407.688.5199
        ______________________________________________
        Sanford, Florida, police answer questions about teen’s shooting death – March 21st, 2012
        http://www.sanfordfl.gov/index.html

        The office of the State Attorney, 4th Judicial Circuit, State Attorney Angela Corey has requested that the City of Sanford remove all reports, videos and audio pertaining to the Martin/Zimmerman case from the website. Their office has provided legal justification for the action and they believe further access to the information will have an adverse effect on their efforts to come to a resolution to this investigation.

    • Patriot

      As I said do not respond to the paid for political hack “Flashy”, the evidence as far as I am concerned is that the police did not arrest Mr. Zimmerman! Obviously they know much more than we do, let the our justice system do their work, end of story!

      • Flashy

        Trust the police. Would that be akin to not being bothered having to carry around citizenship ID papers because you’re an American and don’t have to worry about it?

      • Warrior

        But, but, those stupid police are not elected either. It now appears that if a person is not “elected” to a position, they can’t be trusted! That’s what my president says so i’m going with him.

        “progressivism” is not a treatable illness.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “Trust the police. Would that be akin to not being bothered having to carry around citizenship ID papers because you’re an American and don’t have to worry about it?”.
        So, the muckraker Flashman is whining about ID requirements? Is this the same Flashman who has no problem at all with forcing people to carry Health Care Insurance? What a hypocrite.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      How shameless of so many in this column who because of ideology, or an insular way of thinking , will go to any length to justify George Zimmerman’s lie that he murdered an unharmed black kid returning from the store. This kid not not confront Zimmerman’s based on his own word he pursued him because he deemed him suspicious without cause. He did not see him breaking into a house or car but he deemed him suspicious looking.. He just deemed him suspicious because of his profile we must conclude. The fact that he stalked this kid with a gun and ended up killing him, instead of calling the police as protocol would demand and as 911 had instructed him renders his self defense claim suspicious. You can’t accost a free American walking down the street and demand to know what they are doing walking in a free country, and not expect a defensive response. We are not in the old USSR or apartheid South Africa where black needed a pass to walk through a certain neighborhood. I therefore find it hypocritical and hollow that individuals on this site , the same individuals who like to boast how open, free and civilized we in America are as we try to spread our democracy to the rest of the world, cant even respect the right of a kid to walk the street in his own country without being rendered suspicious and worthy of death.

      • mdbonjr

        Delroy, you know for a fact that Zimmerman approached Martin with malicious intent? Do you know for a fact that there was no reason for Zimmerman to be out keeping an eye on his neighborhood? You know for a fact that Martin was not acting suspicious?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000575975777 Charles of Waveland,MS.

          Why do we have the Courts?

  • http://firefox wog1

    Right on! Aren’t you tired of be manipulated?

  • TerryT

    I think when and if the shtf everyone should go after the lying news stations first and destroy them so they can’t report what they started.

  • Patriot

    #1 do not respond to “Flashy”, this is a paid for political hack or worse! Count the amount of posts this person posts, it is either a paid for attack or someone that has no life or job, my suggestion is to put this type of effort in finding or maintaining a productive position in society, Secondly, can you imagine if something for real happens, instead of this fabricated BS, scary to think about. Third, every night on the news here in Chicago there is a drive by or senseless shooting and a poor young aspiring person, baby, etc. are killed and there is no outrage by these political “never was” like Sharpton, Jackson, etc. The silence in these cases is deafening!

    • Flashy

      What;s worse than a paid political hack (curious) ?

      BTW…I’m not on the dole (private company), nor work for a political party or candidate, and I do have employment. The opinions i express are my own.

      And I’m on this site partly for entertainment, partly for standing up for America, and partly as a segment of my research to do my job.

      Just because you may have difficulty fathoming any of that is not my problem. That you choose to ridicule and denigrate what you have no clue about is your problem.

      • Brad

        Sorry Flashy,

        You’ve never stood up for America or American values, its always been hate speeches against anything the left feels is infringing on their moral right to desent. You degrade God, you degrade anyone standing up to you and your unsupported claims and personal opinions, you attack anyone who suports the right, in other terms you would support the likes of Mao, Stallin, Hitler, Mussolini or any other repressive dictator past or present.

      • Flashy

        Brad..i don’t stand for the America you want. that is obvious.

        As to the rest of your post…thanks for your comments. Bottom line is I’m correct, you’re not.

      • Windrinker

        flashy, you provide US with plenty of entertainment!

        And, BTW, we also get to see a real liberal wacko in action!

        Liberalism is a Mental Disorder…..untreatable in my estimation.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says he works for a private company. Then says he’s on this site “partly as a segment of my research to do my job”.
        What job would have Flashman doing research by reading and commenting all morning on Personal Liberty?
        And you wonder, Flashman, why you have no credibility on this board?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Could Falsy be employed by the Democratic Underground, Media Matters or MoveOn.org???

      • Vicki

        Flashy admits what most of us knew or suspected by writing

        partly as a segment of my research to do my job.

        Though that does raise the question of what his job is and who is paying him :)

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Flashy says: And I’m on this site partly for entertainment, partly for standing up for America, and partly as a segment of my research to do my job.

        Well, it does seem Flashy let the cat out of the bag, Vicki. This may require a different moniker, and IP address, again! LOL…

      • DaveH

        The truth is that you can’t believe anything Flashman says. He seems to get off on lying to people.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      The cases you alluded does not include someone being stalked and murdered without cause and the police knew who did it and refuse to even do a proper investigation. They just take the killers word even though the facts and circumstance does not support it. The cases you called out I’m sure if the police had the perpetrator they would not release them based on their claim of self defense. If social media and black civil right leaders did not call out the injustice bigots like you would be content to sweep it under the rug. I ask you one thing how would you react if an innocent black man started to to shadow you in Harlem , confronted you in the dark and demand to know what you are doing walking in Uptown USA , you would get a little defensive unless he was a cop or thought he was a robber or meant you harm. I know I would. What if it was your son, your brother or your nephew who was murdered for going to the store to get a soda and candy by a neighborhood vigilante, would you accept his word of self defense when you know the character of your nephew and he had never had a run in with the law. Given now you have the 911 tape, you hear your relative screaming begging for their life and you heard the bullet that took it. Finally you Voice Analyst who uses the same technology we use to track terrorist and fight the war on terror tells us the voice on the tape is not the murderer’s voice as he claimed as a mean of self defense. We have evidence the victim was on the phone right up to the point he was killed. Would you still feel the same way and blamed your relatives death on his thug life even though this is not true?

      • mdbonjr

        Choosing to ignore facts does not mean they do not exist. You should do more fact checking before you continue spreading the misinformation. Until you do so, the only thing you accomplish is presenting yourself as willfully ignorant. Facts are not on your side, Sir.

      • DaveH

        Imagine, Delroy, what would happen if this were a white man:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw_RKFB1z9E

  • Dens

    Do the media want a race war? Yes they do. George Zimmerman represents everything the leftist media hates. He appears to be white, he obviously owns a gun, he is a law abiding, responsible citizen and he has conservative values.

    These are characteristics the leftists in the government and their propagandists in the media are pulling out all the stops to destroy. Their running dogs, the so-called black leadership, are now baying at the base of freedom’s tree and George, a decent, good man is up in that tree hanging on for dear life.

    Will the media and their Marxist masters get their race war? Perhaps, but if it comes they, and their dogs, will not like the outcome.

    • http://liberty Tony

      Dens:
      You keep talking about “Race War” and how people wont like the outcome. Well sir, you better take your own words to heart and think what going to happen to an individual such as yourself. Good Bye!!

      • Vicki

        Liberals hate and fear guns and refuse to own them. Conservatives don’t. Not hard to project an outcome from that.

    • Vicki

      Don’t forget to add to your list that Mr Zimmerman cares enough about his community to be a responsible citizen and report suspicious behavior.

  • m knight

    Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson are loving this publicity and the media provides the tools for their rheotric statements.
    Since Al Sharpton is a paid consultant for Obama and a grass roots organizer for re-election. The media, particularly MSNBC will continue to distort the facts. Obama will continue to get involved in state affairs. He has not missed an opportunity, yet.
    Martin was 150 to 160 in weight and over six feet tall, and the media cannot even get those facts correct or show a current picture. As a result, Zimmerman would never receive a fair hearing.

  • DavidL

    Race war? Keep your powder dry? An unarmed child walking in his neighborhood back to his home is killed. The man who killed him was armed, when he was not supposed to be, and pursued when told by the police, that night and in his neighborhood watch training, not do so. The man has a police record of being violent and overly aggressive. At the very least, a full police investigation was warranted by the Sanford Police. That did not happen. The man was released after a cursory investigation with the police claiming self-defense.

    If Chip and others writing on this site today were black, which side of the argument would they be on? Given the racial history of our country, the answer is obvious. Given police behavior, we would all be protesting in the streets with Chip leading the way. It is well past the time to lower the temperature and conduct a full investigation of this incident. Taking this tragedy and using it for self-serving political reasons, or to reinforce a psychotic narrative about this President and his intentions for the country, is destructive not only to the individual but also to the health of our body politic. A child is dead.

    • Doug

      And David what about the all the other kids killed in Chicago, Detroit, LA and other cities each and every day??? Please shine the spot light on these!! Most of these kids were sitting on their porch or some other thing and not getting in fights with someone!

    • DaveH

      DavidL says — “If Chip and others writing on this site today were black, which side of the argument would they be on? Given the racial history of our country, the answer is obvious”.
      Talk about a Racist Statement.
      But then, it’s okay for Liberals to be inconsistent, isn’t it?

      • Vicki

        DavidL is a liberal. Are you really surprised that he is also racist?

    • Vicki

      DavidL writes:

      If Chip and others writing on this site today were black, which side of the argument would they be on?

      The side of the victim who also happens to be a minority. Hispanic according to reports.

      Now if Martin were actually the victim then you should be complaining that the government refused to let Martin carry the most effective tool for self defense.

      This case is an excellent example of why gun control does NOT work.

      Either Martin was the victim and was killed because the government refused to let him carry or

      Zimmerman was the victim and was NOT killed because he did have a gun.

      Unless you actually believe that having your head slammed into concrete over and over again is just foreplay.

    • Vicki

      DavidL demonstrates the effectiveness of the MSM Propaganda machine by writing:

      An unarmed child walking in his neighborhood back to his home is killed. The man who killed him was armed, when he was not supposed to be, and pursued when told by the police, that night and in his neighborhood watch training, not do so.

      An athletic young adult is NOT a child.

      The older adult was armed and had all the “proper” paperwork.

      Was walking back to his car when told by the police that he did not have to follow the young adult.

      With so many incorrect assertions one wonders how much else in DavidL’s life is illusion.

      • Vicki

        I write:

        Was walking back to his car when told by the police that he did not have to follow the young adult.

        I think this statement of mine may not be phrased correctly. I meant to say that after the police dispatcher told him that he did not have to follow the young adult, Mr Zimmerman broke off his observation and was walking back to his car.

        Interesting note about reality vs liberal utopia: If you are to observe and report and the object of your observation is moving you may have to move to continue to observe.

        • norepsordems

          ll trying to understand where people got the info that Zimmerman was walking back to his car…….you hear him get out….you hear him start moving….you hear the operator say…we do need you to do that…..you hear more movement from Zimmerman……how from the sounds of movement, do you conclude what direction he was headed….really people…you assume so much…..he could have just as easily been headed in Martins direction, or towars the mailboxes to meet the police, or even searching for Martin if he was no longer in sight….you do not hear him say…..ok, I am headed back to my vehicle, car, truck, suv, whatever……..really people….quit trying this case on assumptions
          …..

      • Vicki

        norepsordems says:

        ll trying to understand where people got the info that Zimmerman was walking back to his car…..really people….quit trying this case on assumptions.

        Sorry. That train left the station many days ago. In my case the original view came from bits and pieces of everyone’s comments including media pendants. Added to that were the occasional link to some web page (part of the media source).

        After the evidence of the doctoring of the 911 tape by NBC I went directly to the official transcript which alas does not include background noises and the official police report.

        From those 2 sources I have concluded based on the very sketchy evidence that Mr Zimmerman and Mr Martin were located in an area between 2 sets of buildings and not near Mr Zimmerman’s vehicle. There is no information from those sources that will let me know which way Mr Zimmerman was heading.

        Now if you happen to have a link to an un-doctored 911 tape we could all listen to it but from your description we probably can’t tell from that either.

  • nick beck

    why does a f–king idiot like flashy get any space

    • Flashy

      Nick…. the real question to ponder is why a celibate idiot like you gets any …

      • Brad

        You see Nick the only thing Flashy knows how to do right is attack, just goes to prove how much of an idiot he/she realy is. Come on Flashy what’s your comeback now, come on little idiot, come on… Are you going to call me some sordid name, because the day you can support your opinions with facts, you will be considered a F-ing idiot.

      • Brad

        “because until the day you can support your opinions with facts, you will be considered a F-ing idiot”. Had to add a word so it was nice and clear to Flashy.

      • Windrinker

        Flashy, don’t get your “lace panties” all in a wad!

        I bet you go to the YMCA like another wacko we know!

    • Vicki

      nick beck says:

      why does a f–king idiot like flashy get any space

      To help us show others the nature of the liberal beast. Flashy is one of our best examples.

      And flashy proved it yet again by answering you with:
      “Nick…. the real question to ponder is why a celibate idiot like you gets any …”

      You assert that flashy is an idiot. Flashy offers evidence of that every day here.
      Flashy then asserts that you are a celibate idiot. Neither you nor flashy offers any evidence. You don’t cause you are not an idiot. Flashy doesn’t cause he doesn’t have any.

    • norepsordems

      Hey Nick…it comes from the Constitution…what we all need to learn to uphold….rmember the part that says we all have freedom of speach….it donse not say it has to be true, correct, or intelligent….only that we have the right to say what we want…..your response makes you no better than flashy by your stupid remark….think about that bud……equal time for equality…….get over your disaproval of what someone says……if not….maybe you need to find some facist corner to crawl into…..

  • TIME

    Well Chip,

    If this totaly inflated line of BS from the media get’s to you, I bet the breaking news today 6/4/12, that UE numbers are just 8.2% should send you into orbit.

    So where is the media and all the stellar reporters on all of this? Oh yea thats right, they get paid no matter what —
    {after all its their job to make sure they tell you just what they are told to tell you all.}

    Peace and Love

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      TIME, Stewart Varney addressed that this morning on his FOX Business show, Varney & Co. I checked out CNN and the report I saw said more jobs were added but the job growth was less than expected…and then the Liar in Chief came on and I got sick to my stomach and swithched channels.

      • Flashy

        Added jobs came in at 120 K, about 80 K less than expected but still above break even point. Most economists are seeing this as a hiccup and that the trend is for monthly average job growth through the year being along the lines of 220 K . The quarter has been the best in job growth in a long time. I cannot recall from memory the last quarter that beat this current one just completed.

      • DaveH

        In January 2009, total non-farm employment was 132837.
        In 2008 (last Bush year), Federal Spending was $2982 Billion.
        In March 2012, the preliminary figure for non-farm employment is 132821.
        In 2011, Federal Spending was $3603 Billion.
        So, after 3 years of Obama and over $600 Billion per year Greater Federal Spending, we are almost back to pre-Obama employment levels.
        Whoopee. They only spent $37 Billion per lost job.

  • mike

    Actually, the issue is 16 women and children murdered in Afghanistan, and the press is trying to push that story to the back, it’s gotta be easier for Obama to answer questions about a murder he isn’t responsible for, than 16 he is. But I’d like to hear a good answer for why the hell US troops are still there.
    Cops have done this stuff for years and gotten away with it. Are the indignant OK with that?

    • eddie47d

      Sgt Bales is responsible for those murders and who ever redeployed this man with a head injury.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.neibel Michael Neibel

    The news media has been corrupt for a long time. If Mr. Martin had been killed by another black man there would have been a one-time mention in the media and that’s it. The only reason there is such a hoopla over Martin’s death is because, as another commentator mentioned, the Dems and the obedient media, won’t let a good crises go to waste. And when there isn’t a good crises, invent one, that’s the media’s job. The Democrats and the media are disrespecting Trayvon Martin in a particularly obscene way. This whole charade is designed to whip up a massive sympathy vote for Obama. Just as they are trying to incite violence by blacks against whites by the fallacy of guilt by association, so they are using the flip side of that coin against blacks known as victimization by association; that is, since a black man was alleged to have been treated unjustly, all blacks have been treated unjustly and must now rise up in defense of all blacks (including Obama) in revenge and destruction of those who would attack blacks and their policies. In other words, all attacks on blacks (and their policies) are automatically racist. The media is getting desperate because their chosen one is no longer popular so they are trying to achieve political gain at the expense of Mr. Maritn. Sad.

  • John

    Rush hit it right on the head yesterday.Obama is running a campaign appealing to the stupid among us. The media is and has been for years a communist inspired group of liberal idiots who will slant anything in their favor,why should we think anything they print is factaul and unbiased.They write to encourage the stupid that read it.

  • Robert

    It is shameful that we as intelligent creatures, easily jump to conclusions based on media BS. The way they report in our present time is sinful and without truth…must have bee politicians at one time. People need to wake up and see what this country has become. People are so twisted in there views and he best thing to do is to educate yourself and leave TV for
    cartoons.

  • Alan Gottesman

    Obama supplies plutonium and centrifuges to Iran. The press ignores that, but that will likely kill tens of millions of Americans and totally wipe out 7 million (total population of Israel) Israel. That is unimportant compared to sanctifying Trayvon and portraying the drug dealing thug as a 13 year old, who was actually a 17 year old thug breaking into peoples apartments.

    • Mark in LA

      And they allow you to vote?

      • Vicki

        They allow you to vote too. No accounting for taste.

    • Karolyn

      Next you’ll be starting rumors saying Martin was actually a 30 year old ex-con with a murder conviction! Where do you people get this crap from?

      • Vicki

        The liberals here seem to be getting it from the likes of NBC who is now thoroughly discredited by their shameless doctoring of the 911 tapes.

        The Conservatives seem to be getting it from the likes of the official police report.

        Consider the meanings and ask yourself what YOUR sources are.

  • mark

    The propaganda media always wants division, may it be race, or wealth, just like the infiltration of communist in the 20′s, under the name of progressives.People like Howard dean, sharpton, jackson, msnbc, all racist.Funny how people do not now history, the klan was invented by the left, 87 % of all southern Klansman where in fact democrats. It’s funny how spin would make a dumb down america think it was the opposite party.

    • Ted Crawford

      I supose that the old addage ” Ignorance is bliss ” just might be true Mark. I’d be willing to bet that the average Progressive today is not aware of the fact that without a majority of Republican votes , Lyndon Johnsons 1964 Civil Rights Bill would have failed! Many Democrats, lead by Senator Byrd were against it!

    • eddie47d

      That was the old Democrat Party Mark. At the time of KKK heyday they were all Conservative Democrats. That was laughable to say they come from the left. They like the neo-nazi’s,Stormfront, etc favor the Republican Party and RIGHT leaning politics. Nice try “fact” master! By the way America is capitalized.

  • Ted Crawford

    Well structured statement. A very disciplined adherence to Alinsky’s blueprint!
    You assume facts not in evidence, as my lawyer would say: ” The man has a police record of being violent and overly aggressive “, that, in the very least, is a gross overstatement! His past actions seemingly display a person who is overly cautious, perhaps to the point even of paranoia, not much more.
    Next you make an appearently false statement: ” The man who killed him was armed, when he was not suposed to be “. If that were true the police would have held him on that charge alone, allowing them more time to investigate the matter! Not even Sharpton or Jackson are claiming anything like that!
    Lastly you, it seems, consider it normal for people to be racist! ” If Chip and others writing on this site were black……we would all be protesting in the streets, with Chip leading the way” . If any felt that protesting were the correct response what difference would ethnicity make? Do you believe that each ethnic group should apply their own unique set of standards to legal matters?

    • Ted Crawford

      This post was an intended response to David L.’s 8:42 post!

    • Ted Crawford

      One other part of your post I find manipulative: ” A child is dead “, while that is technically true, by Martins age I, and many others, were allready in the service. Just a couple of monthes later we were in Viet Nam.

  • Donna Snyder

    Tired of Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson……period! they are out thier stirring racial tensions, whenever anything has to do with Blacks……Am so sick of those two!..

  • 2WarAbnVet

    Trayvon is not a symbol, he is an excuse – an excuse for Sharpton, Jackson, Obama, and the lib/socialist media to incite race hatred, further their agendas, and make the opposition cower in fear.
    Last year a teen-age Shawn Tyson (black) murdered two British tourists (white) who got lost and wandered into his Florida neighborhood. Did white people riot and go bats**t in the streets? Did Rush, Sean, or Neal call for Shawn’s death? Did thousands all over the country encourage kangaroo justice? The answer is no to all, and I’ll leave it to you to determine the difference in these cases.

  • JDL

    I don’t know if the media wants a race war, but I don’t think that’s the objective. The objective is to get the ‘stand your ground’ gun law to be repealed in Florida. Gov. Scott has set up a committee to review it. In short, let’s make better victims for criminals. It’s a useful idiot thing.

    • Vicki

      What is sad for the media is that this is not a SYG case. Mr Zimmerman was laying on his back having his head bashed in by the man sitting on top of him. Kinda hard to retreat from that position.

  • Power To The People

    Agreed….don’t respond to Flushy….he is a political hack of the Obummer campaign paid to stir controversy for the anointed one.

    Remember the mantra of the left….”don’t confuse me with facts”.

    Good point about violence toward anyone black…..where is the media condemnation of the killings in Chicago? The silence is due to the fact they don’t have the racial component to get mileage for Obummer’s need to stir racial hatred.

    • Patriot

      I second that!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000575975777 Charles of Waveland,MS.

    Is the media helping set the stage for Obama to try out the self imposed power of Martial Law? That way He can do it again, if some of His Cronies or groups like Acorn get caught in voter fraud this November……………………………..Charles of Waveland, MS.

    • Honestly

      Charles…We should all be very careful what we believe coming from the White House, not to be trusted.

  • George P. Wallace

    No matter if Zimmerman is tried and found guilty or innocent you can bet that there will be riots in the street with many businesses torched and looted. That is just what happens any time there is an incident like this. I am surprised it has not started already.

  • Pat

    There are folks out there that stir up being a racist. Mainly Jackson and Sharpton.who are racist themselves. They stir the pot continuously and keep the blacks in a fever of hate. It only takes a few to stir hate among others to a boiling point. There will be no winners here when the pot spills over! These two are pushing there hate and racist agenda on black and white. These doomed haters and racist are putting there people in a perilous fight! Even the President is about hate and divide! I see no leadership among our goverment officials to protect it’s people! They only project hate and divide or silence which is the same! No leadership of our country is the blame!

  • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

    Like I have said in the past the only loosers in a race war will be the Blacks we out number you by 5 to 1 and have the most guns. But let us not lose sight of the big picture this is what Obamination wants is a way for him to declare Martial Law so the election won’t take place making him King. Sharpton and Jackson and the Cowardly Black Panthers are part of Obaminations grand Plan to take down America. Be careful of what you wish for Obamination this just might ignite what I feel has been building in this Country since you placed your Chocolate Milk Ass in the Semi Black House an armed march on D.C. and throwing you and all of Congress out on your flabby Communist Muslim Asses.

  • John R. Stallworth

    Two ways to go: (1) Be honest, objective, listen to facts (2) Be racist, prejudge, listen to Al and Jesse and the media

  • Kerry

    Good let the blood flow since the blacks cant fight without 30 to one odds as they did in Nam when they caught a lone white soldier to rob him for drug money while in a rear support area and the 2 or 3 that couldn’t remain in the rear bases when we fought the NVA only fought if they had to! I cant wait until Barack Hussein Obama the Kenyan is shot dead for treason, fraud and hate crimes against America! Let a race war start, it is better than trying to figure out how to send them away!

    • Karolyn

      Disgusting! It’s people like you who give conservatives a bad name!

      • http://www.targetfocustraining.com/media/videos GrayStroke

        Nah it’s milquetoast liberals pretending to be conservative that helped get us here….these are guys that know combat and are fed up…… in a ever quest of being in a no win no matter what situation……. by trying to sound like your taking the high ground you actually come across as a suck up…….conservative image of a sissy and the left has been pushing the conservatives around for over 90 years…….we are reaching critical mass……thanks to instant information many are wising up …… we are pushing back and not taking their crap anymore and none of your type of crap either……..it’s time men became men and no more metrosexual beta males…… the sissifcaiton of America is almost complete but can we turn it around………well one man at a time I say yes….

  • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

    Folks, Zimmerman did not pursue Martin. On the 911 call, he was asked if he was pursuing him. Zimmerman said yes. The the dispatcher said, “We don’t need you to do that.” Zimmerman said okay. He stopped pursuing him. And he made arrangements to meet with the police by the mailboxes. He’s not even panting in the call, indicating that he barely ran for the brief moment he did pursue before being told not to.

    The part of the call that has been turned into a ridiculous media hype is not a racial slur. Some claim he is saying, “f_ing coons,” but I listened to it myself. The wind is blowing, and he distinctly says, “f_ing cold.”

    The call can be heard here:

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/68871920/News/George-Zimmerman-911-call-reporting-Trayvon-Martin

    • Honestly

      Alex….He was following him to begin with and that would scare anyone.

      • Windrinker

        Honestly, are you trying to say that ole “tryiton” (all the jewelry and watches he had on him) was the one that was scared!

        He was the one doing the beating after he jumped a man from BEHIND. He wasn’t being followed when Zimmerman had his back turned to him…

        Think of another excuse for ole “tryiton.”

      • Vicki

        Honestly says:

        Alex….He was following him to begin with and that would scare anyone.

        It is especially scary to someone with criminal intent. That is why criminals prefer and unarmed populace. That way the criminal has a rich victim environment and none of the victims will bother the criminals.

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        He wasn’t following him when he was attacked. He followed, then stopped. He went to meet the police, and he was attacked from behind by someone he did not pursue.

  • old hillbilly

    When you’re handcuffed arms behind the back, loaded in a police car, carried off to the station, and interrogated,,, you are under arrest… to legitimately determine if there is probable cause to issue a warrant. No warrant means, no probable cause. No jail, because there is no grand jury indictment. All of that happened!

    Zimmerman had head and nose injuries, per all witnesses & police – grass stains on back show who was on top beating hell out of who was on bottom! The so called boy had no injury or signs of being assaulted other than a bullet hole.

    Many demand Zimmerman be jailed to satisfy a mob being incited by two racist idiots and several nationally licensed news media corporations… that are controlled by progressive monopolist “anarchists”… who want to overthrow our free(?) government. Take out your dictionary & read the Constitution Amendments 1, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, & 14-1, all easily printable on a single 8-5×11 page! You don’t need a PHD to read and understand the words!

    Freedom demands truth. Why not legitimately obtain a warrant to arrest and incarcerate Jackson, Sharpton, and anyone tied to publishing false information that is used to incite mayhem, riots, and overthrow our government. Kind of a no-brainer that will stop the chaos and more importantly, insure our government licensed information media (as opposed to individual free speech) deals in TRUTH (good or bad news is proper if true!) .

    • Flashy

      “When you’re handcuffed arms behind the back, loaded in a police car, carried off to the station, and interrogated,,, you are under arrest”

      nope…your are detained. you are not under arrest until they say “you are under arrest”. Your Miranda Rights begin the moment police questioning begins. The police are required to advise you of those rights when you are arrested

      • douglcfl

        From the “Free Legal Dictionary” :

        arrest: A seizure or forcible restraint; an exercise of the power to deprive a person of his or her liberty; the taking or keeping of a person in custody by legal authority, especially, in response to a criminal charge.

        An arrest may occur (1) by the touching or putting hands on the arrestee; (2) by any act that indicates an intention to take the arrestee into custody and that subjects the arrestee to the actual control and will of the person making the arrest; or (3) by the consent of the person to be arrested

        arrest v. 1) to take or hold a suspected criminal with legal authority, as by a law enforcement officer. An arrest may be made legally based on a warrant issued by a court after receiving a sworn statement of probable cause to believe there has been a crime committed by this person, for an apparent crime committed in the presence of the arresting officer, or upon probable cause to believe a crime has been committed by that person. Once the arrest has been made, the officer must give the arrestee his/her rights (“Miranda rights”) at the first practical moment…

      • douglcfl

        Being detained by law enforcement is a form of arrest whether charges are filed or not.

        • Charles

          Right On !

      • Vicki

        Considering the mountain of legal evidence against you flashy it would seem you should consider not offering your “facts”. In this particular case the fact you are offering is that Zimmerman was not arrested.

        Lets look at Florida Law for real facts.

        “Even though you may be temporarily detained, law enforcement officers are not allowed to detain you for longer than is necessary to investigate and the detention cannot be moved to another location. In other words, a law enforcement officer is not allowed to pull you over, place you in handcuffs in the back of his car and then go talk to witnesses in another part of a city. However, if probable cause is shown by the officer’s investigation, he is allowed to arrest you.”

        http://www.ehow.com/list_6799378_florida-arrest-laws.html

        Note the moment they moved him in a police car Zimmerman was under arrest.

        And another flashy fast factoid bites the dust.

      • Flashy

        OK Doug…I’m sure the “Free Legal Dictionary” is statue in every state and jurisdiction and is in every courtroom as a bona fide reference.

      • Flashy

        Ummmm Vicki…please explain if Zimmerman was under arrest, what crime was he charged of?

        Thank you

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:

        Ummmm Vicki…please explain if Zimmerman was under arrest, what crime was he charged of?

        Ummmmm Flashy. Your a big boy. Look it up.

      • old hillbilly

        News-flash & moments of truth

        Next time you’re in town, get yourself arrested (wheelies or donuts in the street wil make it happen) & Barney puts the cuffs on you to haul you down to the station, check out your freedom and ability to ” do anything” you please” like turning the other cheek & walking away or refusing to get in the squad car. It’s called resisting arrest. Getting tossed in the back seat of a cop car, upside down & sideways would help you understand what arrest is – you’re allowed to breathe and obey – that way nobody important gets hurt unless they invite it.

        Moral of the story, teach children to reead the Bible instead of listening to idiots like Jackson, Sharpton, rappers, and “hoodie-lums”. Remember old farts aren’t into pain or not protecting what is theirs.- they’ve learned about vulnerability… unless you can run 900 to 1200 feet per secondd… well… you figure it out

    • Vicki

      old hillbilly says:

      When you’re handcuffed arms behind the back, loaded in a police car, carried off to the station, and interrogated,,, you are under arrest… to legitimately determine if there is probable cause to issue a warrant. No warrant means, no probable cause. No jail, because there is no grand jury indictment. All of that happened!

      • Vicki

        OOps hit the return button. The rest of that statement to old hillbilly is

        Don’t confuse liberals with facts. It makes their heads hurt from the swelling.

  • Jimbo

    Many in the media keep saying this issue is showing the Republicans and Tea Party in their “true colors” (racist). That tells me the whole thing was scripted to rally the black community around Obama.

    • Vicki

      It can’t be racist thing cause Zimmerman is hispanic. Oh wait. We don’t tend to notice race. Liberals are the ones who bring up race all the time.

  • Mark in LA

    And Spike Lee obviously had whites in mind when he wrote, “You can’t keep killing black children.”

    He’s right about that. Treyvon already had 3 welfare bastards and another on the way. His early death probably resulted in 3-400 less black babies in the next 30 years.

    • UWorlds1

      Trayvon had no kids…but if he did what would that matter? I can tell you are racist anyway talking about black babies.

      • Windrinker

        Hey, haven’t you heard, having black babies is a great, lucrative career! White Americans pay you all to breed as many of them you want! What a caring government.

        IT is unconstitutional to steal money from one group of citizens and give it to another group. That is communism and it is “redistribution of wealth” from those that work to those that won’t.

  • Bruce D.

    Nice post Chip Wood. A problem with the left is that if you let them define and control the dialogue they follow it up with controlling legislation. I agree with what you say and it was said well.

  • Tedde

    I wish the governments(federal,state,and local) would get their acts together.They are presently trying to set up a National Suspicious Activity Reporting group similar to the one that exists now in Los Angeles under Special Order 1. The police forces want citizens to be aware of what’s going on around them and then report it to the authorities. They will then keep this data in fusion centers. Zimmerman was doing what local police wanted done. I know I’d be PO’d if someone was tracking me and this might lead to some kind of an altercation. Seems like you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

  • Thomas Armitage

    Zimmerman totally F-d UP the situation. He did everything the 911 operator told him NOT to do. Now a 17 year old is dead. How tragic. Zimmerman should be in lock up for at 30 days. I say 30 days because should be long enough for him to get his fudge packed by at least a half dozen drag queens.

    • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

      Do the world a favor and don’t spew that false information any more. Zimmerman was told not to pursue Martin. Zimmerman said okay and stopped. Then discussed where he was to meet the police who were already on the way. All of this can be heard on the 911 call.

      His testimony following that was that he was attacked from behind. He did in fact have grass stains on his back, a cut on the back of his head, and a bloody nose. I’ve heard that there is a doctor’s report confirming that his nose was broken, but I haven’t seen that myself. Martin wasn’t injured other than the gunshot.

      It’s clear who the aggressor was. If you want to hate Zimmerman, then be a godless heathen who hates without a cause. But going by the available facts, Zimmerman defended himself, and there isn’t one shred of evidence to even remotely suggest that the shooting had anything to do with race whatsoever.

      Keep your facts straight, or keep your mouth shut. Freedom of speech in this particular issue is leading to innocent folks completely unrelated to the event being attacked and brutalized.

  • Honestly

    Vic…You said….Nancy, you are wrong. You’re forgetting or ignoring biological roles of men and women. Men and women are not equal, contrary to what commies want you to believe, men’s biological role is to court and push, while women’s role is to select and consent (or not). By that very basic biological premise, the man who’s getting the most partners has the best chance to procreate and to ensure his bloodline goes into the future, while woman who select the best man in a sense of genetic features and in the sense of being reliable future partner and protector of the family, has the best chance in the biological sense.

    So, it’s a woman who’s responsible for a final decision and has a final word. Sirian is 100% right on that.

    That is one of the most one-sided comments I have ever heard. Men have just as much responsibility as women. I can see now that you probably do not take responsibility for your actions, and I wonder about what you are teaching your sons and daughters if you have them.

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  • castaway

    What is the problem here? Trayvon Martin was a punk gangbanger who got what he deserved. Send all blacks to Afghanistan, to start a new country with a government of their own choosing.

    • Honestly

      castaway…you are a sad angry person from your posts. I am sorry for you.

      • Karolyn

        Worse than sad and angry, his is the kind of sentiment that creates more problems and has the world in the shape it’s in.

      • Windrinker

        Honestly, catch a grip!

        Real Americans are tired of “the race thing.” It has lost its impact and no one pays much attention to being called a “racist.” It is worn-out, and over-used by the radicals! This word is used to express emotional distress at the inability to prove one’s point with facts.

        Radicals never attempt to prove someone is a “racist.” They just throw the word out there when they want to attack, but don’t have anything else to say..

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      castaway, you don’t speak for the rest of us. That was way over the top! Please check yourself.

  • William 1

    Are you kidding it’s been the plan all along so they can declare Marshall law and then he’as a dictator forever at least till some marine deals with him-sure they want a war so lets get it on and be done with this stupid attack by the international communist party and then round them all up, the ICP, ACLU, Liberals, democrats, Rhinos all African Americans-not the American Africans, and hang’em all and start over But this time we do what the Constitution says and the Bill of Rights guarantees IF they act like Americans and any body who even tries to bring up an anti-Constitution bill is promptly arrested and shot!

  • Mirage

    Hey Chip Wood,
    You are part of the media, and after reading your article, obviously coming from Far Right Field, one can easily construe your tone/meaning as RACE BAITING.
    Hey guess what Media Chip … you are starting a Race War?

    As a gun owner and 2nd Amendment supporter, I probably wouldn’t have a problem with the “stand your ground” type Florida law, but of course, I’d have to read it first. After all, a gun in the hand beats a cop on the phone.
    However, I find it appalling that George Zimmerman could kill a kid on the street, and not even be briefly arrested for an investigation of the facts! The cops simply took Zimmerman’s word for it that his reason for shooting was just!
    The officer in charge actually wanted to arrest Zimmerman but the prosecutor over road his wishes.

    To make matters worse, I’ve heard the tape where the police dispatcher tells George Zimmerman NOT TO FOLLOW THE KID … THAT IT WAS A POLICE MATTER. Zimmer then said OK!
    Think of it … the cops have the dead kid, his cell phone easily available to try and contact relatives, and no investigation is launched, and the parents are not called for something like 3 days! WTF!???
    As a white person, I have to ask, if the kid shot was white … would the case be handled differently? Personally, I believe it would be.

    Well, I don’t live near black people, never really have, so I don’t have any experiencing living amongst them.
    However, if it is true that their public education is funded by real-estate taxes in the neighborhoods where they live, typically some of the poorest in America, and they therefore are given an inferior education to those in the wealthiest neighborhoods, well then, that is morally wrong.
    The education they’re given, might explain something like a 40% incarciration rate for black males; the highest among any demographic.
    If what I have read is true; concerning the aforementioned issues that apparently plague American-Africans (sp.), it would seem infinitely more wise for America to spend it’s money on education and early development as …. you can only build and afford so many jails.

    • Ellen

      Mirage, Inner city schools have the highest per-student costs in the nation. They also have the lowest student/teacher ratios. Both of these issues are supposed to provide a better education. Unfortunately, they don’t. Blacks have been screaming for years that they get an inferior education because they are poor, but they simply don’t know the truth. Politicians let them continue to think they’re being cheated so they can continue to pretend to fight for them and get re-elected.

      • UWorlds1

        What does that have to do with someone murdering a child? I use to live in the inner-city and I know for a fact that your data is wrong. To be sure some of the parents need to take a more active role in their childen’s lives. If you go to poor rural areas you will also find schools lacking.

        A lot of these comments are not about the subject. It is bashing black people. I like Livingston but some of these readers are race-baiting…not the MSM. The MSM is only a reflection of what is going on in the real world.

    • Vicki

      Mirage writes:

      However, I find it appalling that George Zimmerman could kill a kid on the street, and not even be briefly arrested for an investigation of the facts!

      First the kid on the street was slamming Mr Zimmermans head into the sidewalk (ground?) over and over again. That sounds a little more threatening then “kid on the street”

      2nd the “kid” was an athletic young adult (about 17 years old)

      3rd Mr Zimmerman WAS arrested and video of him being brought into the police station in handcuffs is ample proof (especally when you bother to read Florida arrest laws. http://www.ehow.com/list_6799378_florida-arrest-laws.html)

      4th there WAS an investigation both at the scene and in the station when they questioned Mr Zimmerman.

      Armed with those facts you may want to do more research before bothering to be appalled.

      Evidence to support those facts are all in the police report linked in posts somewhere above.

  • DanN

    Wow! I can’t believe all the hateful, racist, ignorant,naive, selfish, inhumane comments that have been posted here. Shame on all of you! The point here is the lies being pushed upon us by a vehicle that has no accountability. We are lied to by ALL the media generators. Look at these posts and tell me who is duping who.. They have you all bickering about EXACLTY what they want you to bicker about. Yet you all are to busy trying to be right about YOUR opinions. Stop watching the propaganda generators. start THINKING based on your OWN THOUGHTS and RESEARCH not theirs. JMHO

    • alexa

      There is no shortage of hate speech on either side. Can you imagine how much energy is being wasted this way?
      It is also sad that the two party system behaves more like a one party system.

      • William 1

        Well it is a normal reaction to idiodicy and you want to do noting-stand up and be an American-this is wrong!

    • UWorlds1

      I agree, I am black, but I have many whites and hispanics in my family and to propose that all blacks live on one side of the country and whites on the other is ludicrious. Also saying that mixed people get shipped OUT of the country…you may as well shut the U.S. down. There goes most of my family!! I have learned to be more tolerant because I have to be if I want to have any family relationships. One of my sisters married a white guy another married an hispanic. I have mixed nieces and nephews.

      Say what you will about the media but the truth is the Sanford PD dropped the ball. They did not do a thorough investigation. We don’t know if it was because the victim was black. But nothing was done until the media got involved. Hopefully you will get to the bottom of what really happened. But this incident has brought out the worst on every side.

    • Windrinker

      DanN, The way I see it is simple… You jump me, break my nose, and start slamming my head on the concrete til I have a concussion…..believe it……you are going to get what you deserve! I don’t care if you are big or small, black or white, or purple with pink poka dots!

      No one should be beating the crap out of another person, and just because this criminal was black doesn’t give him any special privileges.

      Just so happened the person “tryiton” attacked was carrying and had a right to protect himself.. How good is your aim when you are getting your head smashed on the concrete……

      • DanN

        No disagreement here Windrinker. I comment is more pertaining to the hateful comments without justification. The Media makes accusations/statements with no accountability. The posters have fallen for it, hook, line and sinker. Just look at the comments and tell me who is paying attention to the game being played on all of us. Focus on the point of the article, not whether or not this guy is guilty or innocent. Thats for the courts to decide. JMHO

  • mark

    Well im not going to bicker. But the black are pushing for war they can have it or shut the hell up. Out here in the country we are more than prepared.

  • OneDamnAngryAmerican

    Just in case somebody might care or not, Zimmerman is Hispanic and NOT white! How’s that grab you guys. YOU ARE FIGHTING A WAR ON THE WRONG RACE! I’d sure like to see Al Sharpton or Jessi Jackson tell the New Black Panthers that they should be getting Hispanics for this terrible crime, because the “killer” was Hispanic and NOT WHITE. But, when you are as racist as those two morons are, race really doesn’t matter. Does it? America will probably be burning soon enough, and when you add the war against women to it, you would swear that the USA is nothing but a mooslem country that the presidents “brethern” are taking care of, the sharia-law way. Lois Farakhan said the flag of islam would be flying over the white-house, and it seems his statement is now true. Our dictator-in-chief has already diss’ed the Supreme Court, and ruined this once great country. Its no wonder he wants to gut our military, and get rid of any soldier who has “combat” experience. As far as I am concerned, this is all a part of a giant conspiracy to flush the USof F-ingKKK down the toilet. It all began 4 years ago. Wait and see what’s in our future. You’ll need more than dry-powder to protect yourselves. As I write this, there are more illegals living in Arizona, then there are American servicemen with boots on the ground, anywhere in the USA. THAT SHOULD SCARE THE CRAP OUT OF ANY AMERICAN CITIZEN! But it doesn’t. BO will get the next election and China will be given the Statue of Liberty to help pay off our debt to her (it’s made of copper). Currently, 50 cents of every dollar BO and the HOR’s spend, is borrowed from China. This is what the average American citizen wants. Our future will bring all of your (those who voted for him) dreams to fruition. AREN’T YOU GLAD TO BE A DEMOCRAT!

  • FreedomFighter

    It was a play to take our 2nd ammendment right, plain and simple.

    Cause a problem, get everyone upset, provide a solution ( not really ). Hegalian Dialectic?

    They must disarm the American People to enslave us, resist at all costs.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Ellen

      And the criminals will all still have guns because they don’t buy them through legal channels like law-abiding citizens.

      • Rick

        So true and seldom to never charged with gun law violations like legally owned owners are.

    • Vicki

      FreedomFighter says:

      It was a play to take our 2nd ammendment right, plain and simple.

      But it will backfire cause if Martin were really the victim then the government did not allow him to carry a gun which resulted in his being unable to defend himself with the best tool for the job.

      Had Mr Martin been allowed to carry and had his gun the results that night could have been much different.

      • rock thomson

        What do you want to bet that there was something hinky going on with Traivon being in a gated community, walking behind homes and then reacting like a thug by confronting someone who he allegedly, thought was following him. When the story unfolds, I’ll bet that he was up to no good. Probably casing houses for his next “job”.
        So hows that for being PC???

  • Downs1

    The Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman incident is a real tragedy! But, everytime I hear that the “Reverend” Al Sharpton and/or the “Reverend” Jesse Jackson are involved, I look for some kind of race baiting. One wonders if the titles these two men carry are really indicative of who they are, or entities behind which they attempt to hide their own racial discrimination and hatred! They certainly don’t act “Christlike” in situations like this. Scripture tells us that you can tell a man’s character by the fruit he bears. These men are not trying to calm the Black community, but are stirring the pot and appear to be siding with the New Black Panthers (a really intellectually honest, peace loving bunch of patriots . . . NOT!) who are put a bounty on George Zimmerman and fanned the flames on both sides of the issue. Either we have a constitutional legal system or we do not! Either we wait for all the evidence to be processed or we do not! Either we want true justice or we do not! One could almost get the impression that this whole tragedy is being blown up and used to “cover” something else which is more sinister! We’ll see! The truth will come out!

    • UWorlds1

      I am black and I have seen no violence going on. If anything people on this board are inciting more violence than anyone. I have seen more hatred on this board then anywhere. So much for liberty.

      SSgt, USAF

      • norepsordems

        Hey sarge….just to let them know….not that they need to…but I am white….and I agree with you 100%….9 out 0f 10 comments speak or include the race of the individuals in this case…..has nothing to do with it…..one human shot another human….we are all of the same race…the human race….the question here is……because we know for a fact….a homicide was comimited…was it justifiable or not….I would like you to look for my post and tell me what you think…..no one has commented on my blog and ideas…….I feel what I said was as simple and to the point as possible…..let me know…..

      • Karolyn

        Thank you! It’s good to see a non-regular here posting about what he sees and what is consistently denied by many regular posters.

      • http://www.targetfocustraining.com/media/videos GrayStroke

        No kidding REALLY so where were you when Farrakhan, Al not so Sharpton and Jesse the thugster were out inciting and supporting civil unrest and violence????

        How about the NPP party and their bounty which by the way for the less educated is illegal…unless your black I guess…….so who is the racist…..I’m thinking you ARE with your convenient thinking of forgetting the facts of all the race baiting by those that have made a living at it for over 35 years……over the last two weeks ……….. nice try won’t fly…….your logic fails…….. what I see here is frustration that no matter how any black contrived issue is dealt with the black do no wrong and the white will always be wrong….hey four weeks ago two black kids set a whit boy on fir on his front porch and told him that’s what you deserve white boy……..where’s the prez’s phone call…where is Al Sharptoungue, Jesse Jackson…oh not convenient for them is it……it is an open hypocritical position you take and many are getting fed up with it……..of course many white will lick your boot hoping to get on your good side……which has not worked in 40 years but hey ……here we are….eh….

        Here is one of many to find links:
        http://www.seraphicpress.com/blacks-set-white-on-fire-you-get-what-you-deserve-white-boy/

  • Bird

    This is the case of beating their spears against the ground, chanting and driving the crowd into a frenzy. It does not have any place in America!

    • UWorlds1

      I did not see any spears. And it is called free speech. It is in the constitution. Look it up!!!

      • Windrinker

        “You people” (knew you would like that) are the biggest racists in the country! And all the “spear chuckers” voted for the illegal alien because he told everyone he is black.

        Well, the joke is on the black community and they helped to put an arab muslim in the oval office.

        The muslim is divisive and fans the flames of racism every chance he gets and so does the MSM propagandists. Blacks are being used, the muslim will use anyone to achieve his goal…then throw them under the bus when he is finished with them.

        Communist countries don’t feed the worthless that won’t work. Think carefully which side you choose.

  • ArkansasRebel

    I want to address the rest of the board & forget Flashy. Flashy CHOOSES to remain ignorant so let him be ignorant! If you continue to admonish a scoffer you will only get a scoffers reward: more of the same ignorance.

    When the MSM first reported this incident, because of the poor reporting, I drew the conclusion that Mr. Zimmerman was probably a “knee jerk” vigilante. I formed my impression based on the statements that “Zimmerman continued to follow Martin” & later that he had said “f….ing coons” on the 911 tape. Both of which have been proven to be false. The tape was, at best, poor and professionals attempting to clear up the recording concluded he said “punks” not “coons”. Big difference. Also, undisputed fact, the shooting took place NEXT TO Zimmerman’s SUV. How did that happen if he was following Martin?

    • UWorlds1

      It did not take place by Zimmerman’s SUV. It took place on the grass. The truth is Zimmerman was a want-to-be cop. He shoot an unarmed teenager. He was not arrested. He was not injured. He sought no medical treatment. I will be glad when justice is served and he is arrested. Let the justice system do their job.

      • Rick

        Reports say he was injured and was assaulted. Want to be has nothing to do with it. Maybe Martin was a want to be thug??

      • Vicki

        UWorlds1 says:

        It did not take place by Zimmerman’s SUV. It took place on the grass.

        According to the police report it took place between 1231 Twin Trees Lane and 2821 retreat view cir. http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf
        A quick examination of the area via satellite shows what appears to be 2 grassy back yards separated by a concrete walkway. There is no date on the image so can’t tell how close it is to the actual location in Feb 2012 but the grass is consistent with the report. This also places Mr Zimmerman and Mr Martin on grass far enough away from a road to be “not by Zimmerman’s SUV”.

        The truth is Zimmerman was a want-to-be cop.

        Unfounded assertion.

        He shoot an unarmed teenager.

        who just happened to be sitting on Mr Zimmerman and pounding Mr Zimmermans head into the sidewalk. Nice teenager.
        http://www.bob-owens.com/2012/04/two-more-minutes/

        He was not arrested.

        False assertion. See police report.

        He was not injured.

        False assertion. See police report

        He sought no medical treatment.

        Treated at the scene and released for transport to the police station. When did you expect him to seek medical treatment and for what since he was treated at the scene. See police report.

        I will be glad when justice is served and he is arrested.

        Since you expect justice to be the arrest of Mr Zimmerman you have shown yourself to be prejudiced. That combined with your multiple false assertions makes you a poor choice for a member of an impartial jury.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidhendrick.behrens David Hendrick Behrens

    Majority of the Blacks and Hispanics, seem to have low self esteem, they feel inferior, even when so many of them have gotten an education and some have gone on to college or get good jobs, work hard and have good normal lifes and they don’t feel their low esteem or picked on and they don’t blame whites for all negative things in life.

    The Blacks and Hispanics feeling down, never get any where and never try and just sit and live a welfare life and feel sorry for them selves and feel picked on, let the reverends Al. Jessie, Louie and Jeremy rant and rave and speak for them and blame whites for all, an they demand free things and good jobs for the unworking ones., even tho they can’t do them, with out an education.. Most get welfare for generations and have no shame doing it, they feel their intideled to it and don’t have the gumption to get a better life, some young ones, turn to crime and selling drugs and end up in prison or dead in gang wars………….

    I know many black and hispanic friends and familes, who grew up poor an got an education and still made something good of their lives and work hard and live a good life an they feel to be normal Americans………………

    • UWorlds1

      What does that have to do with a killing of a yourg boy? You categorize all blacks and hispanics, truth is most people have low self-esteem why do you think America has the highest use of drugs in the world. You really sound ignorant.

      The truth is they need to get to the bottom of this tragedy.

  • Linda Turner

    Demands are simple: Let judge and jury determine if George Zimmerman acted in self-defense. If I shot you in the chest, your family would demand that I be arrested and stand trial, wouldn’t they? The longer the Sanford PD or legal authorities wait, the less confidence anyone can have in our legal “justice” system. Until legal authorities act, the case will be tried in the media. So if you want an end to media’s “intrusion,” demand that George Zimmerman be arrested or brought before a grand jury.

    • Rick

      And what if they find no reasson for a grand jury? That to is part of the justice system.

    • Vicki

      And if a grand jury finds no reason to prosecute are you going to demand that the DA prosecute anyway?

  • Joe Berger

    THE ORIGINS OF THE ZIMMERMAN LYNCH MOB….
    The pernicious ” World View” (modern Marxism) infecting all of North American society ( and most of the rest of the world ) is so entrenched that I am firmly convinced that recovery is utterly impossible.
    WE ARE A CIVILIZATION IN DECLINE. At present birth rates whites the world over have a half life of roughly 50 years. Western Civilization will be virtually extinct in 200 years.
    How did it happen.??
    We fought and died in WW2 for “uncle” Joe Stalin. We gave him most of eastern and central Europe. China , N. Korea, Vietnam Cambodia etc could not have happened without Stalin’s aid. Eastern and central Europe and much of Asia adopted totalitarian communism. ( Bolshevism ), while the remainder of the world adopted SOCIAL DEMOCRACY… the moderate “democratic” wing of Marxism. ( Those who doubt the veracity of the preceeding statement should remember that Lenin’s party was called …”The Russian Social Democratic Labour Party.”)
    In the few years following WW2 colonialism came to an abrupt halt. European man and with it Western Civilization began its irrevokable decline.
    The anti white anti Christian frenzy adopted by the media can only be fully understood when you look at the ethnicity of the ‘owners” . Keep that in mind.
    Virtually ALL of modern science and technology was created by whites. …a product of their superior intellect. The vast majority of people in North America are not English.. Yet we speak that language because the English used to be the most intelligent people on earth. ( exceeded only by the Jews, but their numbers were much too small to establish their language).
    Is there any significant difference between the Democrats and the Republicans.? I say almost nothing. One is worse than the other, depending on the day you choose to compare and contrast. At various times each has successfully out done the other at climbimg the pinnacles of human folly.

    The only man capable of halting this decline “might” be Pat Buchanan.
    …but he counts for almost nothing.
    Amen brothers and sisters…..this is the beginning of the end.

    • Windrinker

      Can anyone name a black country that is prosperous and free…

      Black governments…..don’t get me started..

      Now, we have a black government of our own and it isn’t working for most of us. Lets not “try it again” for a very, very long time.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        You white supremacist where have you being outside the united states. Its not my job to tell you of successful black democracy . But you also need to remember that many Black country are young less than 100 years old still in their fledgling stage having endured the brutal overlord of European and american colonization . It would take me much too long to go over this with you besides it a waste of time because you have already established yourself as an uneducated bigot on world’s affair. Educate your self about american history and who runs it before you discuss world event. How many language do you speak How many heads of states and capitals can you name. you probably don’t even know who your state legislator, senator or congress man is. What is reelection platform. You represent the ignorant mass who get their information From Fox News , that multinational disinformation machine as well as Rush Limbaugh.

  • norepsordems

    Hey guys…read all these comments on how people think…..so here is .02 cents more…..instead of trying to guess which eye witnesses are correct….why not just look at the few things you do know to be true….without any added connatation…..usualy the K.I.S.S. method is best……..so try this on and tell me what you think……person walking in community….on sidewalk …in plain site……..person in vehicle obseves said person walking….feels there may be a prblem….calls police….tells them his obsevations and that he is following said person……dipatcher advises ….no more help from obsever needed….police are being dispatched….do not continue with following said person………should have been end of story…community watch person did what a community watch person is suppose to do….observe and report suspecious activity…..key word in community watch…is the word…..watch……….the problem comes in when said obsever does more than a community watch person is suppose to due…….he removed himself from the safety of his vehicle and went looking for the person in question……that is an act that was not necessary and an act which he was told not to do……..so….untill all the witnesses can be properly questioned….in a court of law……..everything else is only speculation from all……now if you have the ability to be impartial……I have not mentioned anything that is speculation or anything that has been mention by any so called witness……only what was 100% actualy known….we all heard what was said by Zimmerman himself….and the person at the police station…….put yourself in the shoes of either….the obsever/Zimmerman….or said person walking/Martin….and consider the outcome…..as Zimmerman…you are to watch and observe only…….you are in your own car…safe and secure…oh…and dry…cause it was reported to have been raining at the time this occured…….so…wouldn’t have been prudent to do as instructed…stay in car….do not follow…..did Zimmerman not put himself in jepordy by leaving the safety of the vehicle…….Martin did not aproach his car….so until Zimmerman left his vehicle there was not an opportunity for a confrontation between the two individuals…………now flash foward to the end result….a homoside was commited……weither it was justifiable or not is for the courts to decide…starting with a grand jury, which decides if enough evidence has been submitted for it to be carried to trial or dismissed…..and the only way for that to ocour is for an arrest to be made by the police…..anything less is not justice for Zimmerman or Martin….. oh…and if you don’t know what K.I.S.S stands for…..it means ….Keep It Simple Stupid……….all of us who assume we know what all the facts are …from what is always bias media….only show our stupidity…….if one wants to make a statement about guilt or innocence…..you should sart you blog by say….In my opinion and due to what I have read or heard….I think so and so is guilty and this is why………and as far as the police being able to fairly determen guilt or innocence…that is not their job…….a death occured as the result of a firearm being discharged………if someone simply kills another cleaning their firearm….they are arrested and charged…..then the courts decide….one thing you all seem to forget….there is two sides to every coin…..one side of the coin wasn’t told that night….he was dead…………………..

  • Jerry

    So, it’s a crime to incite a riot, but the LEFTISTS only believe in laws that they agree with, so all of these hatemonger RACISTS, like Sharpton, Lee and Jacka@@ don’t have to worry about any prosecution?
    Also, does anyone find the timing of the LEFTIST’S new ‘crisis’ to be suspicious? The Ministry of Truth can divert the public’s attention to this completely distorted story, and incite violence and hatred, all the while the White Mosque can go about their destruction of Amerika!
    While Obumble is falling farther behind in the polls, this new ‘crisis’ comes along, and the Campaigner-in-chief will try to divide this Nation even more!

    • Donald York

      My thoughts exactly Jerry.Also, he is still trying to incite women. This time he is saying that women ought to be able to compete in the masters golf tournament.WTF! Last time i heard women played their own tournament in the LPGA.
      If George Zimmerman had been a black man and shot Trayvon Martin, it would have been a non-news story. Imagine George Zimmerman being more than 75% white? Yeah, it’s suspicious.

    • Karolyn

      Where do you get your info from? Wishful thinking? Obama is gaining ground!

      • mdbonjr

        Nice try. Humorous but, nice try.

    • Windrinker

      Jerry, don’t forget about the hate-mongering, racist Black Panthers that put “A BOUNTY on the head of Zimmerman!” Last I heard it was at $30,000 and growing…Then, ole “spikey baby” outed an address of an elderly White couple, that had to flee their home.

      Just what was the “intent of Spike” when he outed an address he thought was Zimmermans? I bet it was to get that “street justice” the blacks like to talk about.

      I didn’t know it was legal to put out a “reward for someone’s head.” Or, do you kind of think that just maybe be a tiny bit RACIST and blacks are getting a “pass” once again to show off what they are made of…

  • Donald York

    I hope George Zimmermans attorney does’nt cave in to the black demands because he himself is black. Mr. Zimmerman deserves to have a FAIR trial, not a lynch mob like what is playing out among most of the blacks.It is a fact that Mr. Zimmerman should have been arrested in this matter, especially since a young man lost his life. Low lifes like Sharpton and Jackson should back off once he is arrested. I doubt that will happen.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jpacord John Acord

      Can’t arrest anyone without probable cause and, to date, there is apparently no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman. Mobs do not provide or substitute for probable cause.

      • norepsordems

        So John…a dead human…shot by another human….is not probable cause?……Really…..the dead man could not tell his side of the story……how do you know the one left alive is telling the truth?……..and if you say because of what the witneeses said…..wrong……no one saw the incident from beging to end….they all became involed at some point after the incident started…..and the only way to know which of the people interviewed were correct is thru a trial…..remember…a homicide was commited…the question is…..was it justifiable or not?

      • Vicki

        Why to people insist that Mr Zimmerman was not arrested? He WAS arrested. See Police Report http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf

        You want him arrested again? Just cause the media doctored some recordings????
        How about some probable cause to believe that the shooting was not justified? What would you do if you were under an athletic young adult and said adult was beating YOUR head in with a sidewalk? Would you just lay there?

    • http://www.targetfocustraining.com/media/videos GrayStroke

      tO norepsordems:

      dO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A CHL IS INVOLVED IN A WEAPON DISCHARGE WITH OR WITHOUT LIFE BEING TAKEN?? Then shut your whiny pie-hole…get a plane ticket and go lick Al notsosharpton’s feet….

      • norepsordems

        Not sure you were responding to me or not….but I did see my screen name typed in by you in the begining of your rant….the reason for rant…as we all know…typing full sentences incaps implies you are yelling…with that said n response to your rant,,,,,”dO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A CHL IS INVOLVED IN A wEAPON DISCHARGE WITH OR WITHOUT LIFE BEING TAKEN??”…..yes I do…..I have lived in the state of Florida for the past 20+ years and am very knowlegable about the laws…have many friends on different city and county police agencies…can you say the same?…..and if you speak to any officer either active or retired, about what occurs when a homacide takes place…..the perpitrator of said homiicide is arrested…….it is not the job of the police agency to determine guilt or inocence….but that of the district attornys office and the judical system……I realy do not understand where you get off calling my post on this matter…as being whiny….and then yourself telling me to shut my pie-hole as you said…..realy…are you a 4th grader…whith no valid comment….only the ability to yell a non-thought as you did….and then to tell me to lick Sharptons feet….again..really…..no where in my post did I speak of race…or this was racialy motivated…or concerned looking into the race…of anyone involved….in fact…it was 180 degrees away from racism…as I said it was not about that….it was about weither a justifiable homicde had been commited or a murder to some degree…..and if you look at my screen name and have the ability to understand it…you will…..no reps or dems…..translated for the narrow minded…no republicans or democrats…as I believe that is one of the greatest problems we have on this site…the name calling between the two parties…..also…I am neither myself…….so where would you get the assumption that I would hold Sharpton in high reguard?……maybe your the one who needs to engage ones brain befor putting said mouth in gear…………………………….

  • Harold Olsen

    It isn’t just the media that is racist. Liberals and ALL the left, in general, are racist. They want and NEED people to be viewed by the color of their skin or their ethnic group. Conservatives, and most people on the right, choose to view people as just peoplle–indidviduals. Their skin color is irrelevant. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve stated that I just view people as people and not by their skin color and some racist liberal will repsond, “That proves you’re a racist.” The left jumps at the chance to play the race card. I think that’s why they love our fuhrer so much. He plays the race card every chance he gets.

    In the Zimmerman/Martin case, had Zimmerman been black and Martin white, the media and the left would be cheering Zimmerman instead of trying to hang him. Plus, it seems Zimmerman is Jewish and the left is notoriously anti-Jewish and anti-Semetic.

    I do not know the truth about what happened. None of us do. It’s just possible that Zimmerman is just a killer. But the media and the left have made up their minds and if he is not put on trial and convicted they will scream racism and probably riot and Obama will use it as a reason to declare martial law and postpone, or most likely, cancel the elections in November. “Never let a good crisis go to waste.” He’ll stay in office by any means necessary.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000182806261 Larry

    I’M TELLING YOU, IF THE AMERICAN BLACKS DON’T GET SHARPTON, J. JACKSON AND THEIR CRONIES OUT OF THEIR BUSINESS, THEY ARE GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF NEEDLESS DEATHS BETWEEN THEM AND THE WHITES. MARK MY WORDS SHARPTON AND JACKSON ARE GOING TO GET YOU KILLED.

  • lrowland1

    If Zimmerman, as he claims shot the victim, Trayvon, at his SUV, why was he found in between the homes, as shown by satellite photos, where there are no roads and how could the other callers to 911 hear the crys for help from where he left the vehicle. Or did Zimmerman drive to the point, the 60-80 yards from the victims home, somehow, to where he, as he says he shot the victim. He could have remained in his vehicle, if this was so why didn’t he locked the doors and called for help/supposed back-up which should have been there already.
    Besides NBC, all the media, not just MSNBC is judging this case to their own political means, whether then letting the peers of someone who should have been arrested, like others and the weapon kept; along with lots of errors by all including the officers at the site. Let these all come out in court, not in some media spectacular that is meaningless.
    No attention has been given to all the other violence, killings, and othe deaths form other means that could be prevented or could have been prevented, where is the good in depth reporting.
    I guess it’s like big oil, the FDA, EPA and all the other agencies or the advertisers that are controlling everything we see or read on or in all media whether print or visual in the name of money.
    During an election year all (media) want their share of attention at the expense of others whether innocent or not. The “fair and balanced” has gone away from almost all the stations and most viewers are tired of the supposed news channels acting like they are wrestlers in need of more fake attention. It will be sad for all sufferingAmericans, that no matter which party wins this election that we are going to continue to spirial downward; unless all Americans participate in a perminate change. If anyone does not think this is so look at all the people (not only old ones ) moving to other countries at a increasing rate. Countries like Panama, Ecuador, other American countries/islands and even cartel ridden Mexico; because they have cheaper HEALTH CARE (not poorer), Cost of Living is less, housing/land is less, Fuel is less, food is less and in most cases Organic, GO FIGURE, or get your ticket if your not going to fix our problems and your can live on your retirement (if it lasts). Sure these countries have their share of problems, but in most cases not as great as ours, for those that don’t think so , go on the iternet and google your way to answers that we all should all know and stop listening to the biased media.

    It’s sad when almost all of our elected officials want the media attention, more money whether than doing the jobs the were elected to do, with all their false promises and those they could never full-fill even if they wanted too. When I see Mel Gibson or others in movies and all our men/women in uniform being more of a patriot then elected officials, back-stabbing one another, I wonder what has happen to us and our beliefs.

    It would seem that the H.O.A. also in this case, will end up bearing a lot of this blame and that will affect all the residents of the complex. Neighborhood watches have their place but they do not, should not and can not replace regular law enforcement. It is up to the city/town governing officials/law enfocement, where these are active to hold instructive meetings for those that want to be involved and to weed out the want-a-bees that would like to carry weapons with no training and use them or sport them as a way to satisfy their own short-comings.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000182806261 Larry

    SHARPTON AND J. JACKSON AND THEIR CRONIES ARE GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF DEATHS BETWEEN THE BLACK AMERICANS AND WHITE AMERICANS.
    MARK MY WORDS, THEY ARE GOING TO GET YOU KILLED.

    • Karolyn

      Why did you post your message twice, Larry? Looking for some attention? Remarks like yours are totally stupid! Talk like that is what creates problems; and then if something does happen, you can say “See, I told you so!”

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Karolyn, and responses like yours are more than stupid! There is a grain of truth to what Larry said and it wasn’t stupid at all. Who really gives a hoot that Larry may have said it twice, except a nosy liberal ill informed liberal.

      OOPS, forgot that you get a good portion of your newsfix from NPR and common dreams. You really do need to quit being such a hypocrit!

  • rock thomson

    I’ll tell you what. If there is a Race War, many of us will be going after the MSM facilities and their administrators. Let’s see them report on that!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jpacord John Acord

    This entire affair will die down and calm will be restored. Turns out that Zimmerman is identified as a Hispanic and that simply does not fit the proper Marxist profile which is to united blacks and browns with a joint hatred for all things white. This will turn out to be just a good practice run until a more opportune incident occurs like when a gang of blacks attack the wrong white man or woman and are killed in self-defense. This event will occur this summer at the height of the campaign and the race-baiters and professional riot organizers will turn American cities into cauldrons of black and Marxist rage. Hussein will stoke the flames, incite the rioters, and impose martial law and a true “dictatorship pf the proletariat” with him and his Marxist comrades at the helm. The only way Hussein will depart the White House is at the point of a bayonet or in handcuffs. You can be sure that black riots are just part of the scheme employed to keep his hands on power.

    • UWorlds1

      I am black I am no marxist. I really don’t believe any of you people know what real marxism is. President Obama is no marxist of communist. I don’t know why black people are associated with marxism anyway. We believe in the free market. The key word here is free. Not rigged so only certain people get rewarded.

      Furthermore I know of no blacks that are interested in a race war. Might as well kill off half of my friends and family.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Obama is a Marxist/Alinsky trained community organizer and if you weren’t aware he is not just black!

        “Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.” –Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky
        http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

        Obama helped fund ‘Alinsky Academy’: “The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy…. Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongside William Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization…. ‘Midwest describes itself as ‘one of the nation’s oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.’… Midwest teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing.”

        As for this, “Furthermore I know of no blacks that are interested in a race war”, I can only say…neither do I! That said, there are high profile individuals in politics and in the MSM, behind the scenes and in the open that are clearly promoting ethnic and class division within this country. To deny that it is not the case would be disingenuous.

  • David H

    Where is La Raza in all this hubbub? Why aren’t they outraged about the false accusal of one of there own? Leftist are leftist no matter what the true facts are.

  • Vern MR

    Admittedly I did not read all the comments, just a lot of the same old, same old “rabble rousers” trying to inject the “liberal” view and yadayadayada….the point I didn’t see but would like to bring out is the MSM is only too happy to play the race card since it fits the left’s agenda of “racism on the rise” since BHO elected or the ever popular left chant of “flat out racism” ala Jeanine Garafolo to counter ANYTHING ANYBODY says that does not line up in LOCK STOP with HERR Obama.

  • wizzid0

    As I understand it, GZ was treated by EMS before being taken to the station. Why have we not heard from these trauma specialists as to the extent of his injuries?

    • UWorlds1

      From my understanding they cancelled that EMS call. He was treated by the police in the back of the squard car.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Not true! The police did not treat Zimmerman’s injuries…I believe the police report noted that the fire department treated Zimmerman.

      • recce1

        Zimmerman was treated by the EMS squad. It was the 2nd squad that was cancelled by the first as they didn’t think that Zimmerman needed to be transported to the hospital by ambulance.

        Therefore the effort to try and use that cancellation of the 2nd ambulance as proof that Zimmerman wasn’t injured is erroneous.

      • Vicki

        recce1 says:

        Therefore the effort to try and use that cancellation of the 2nd ambulance as proof that Zimmerman wasn’t injured is erroneous.

        Erroneous but typical liberal. Just look at what was done with the 911 call and the surveillance video.

        As to the treatment of Zimmerman’s injuries its in the police report.
        http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf

      • Vicki

        UWorlds1 says:

        From my understanding they cancelled that EMS call. He was treated by the police in the back of the squard car.

        He was treated by SFD (Sanford Fire Department) in the back of the SPD squad car. See police report. http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf

  • norepsordems

    April 6, 2012 at 1:38 pm

    Hey guys…read all these comments on how people think…..so here is .02 cents more…..instead of trying to guess which eye witnesses are correct….why not just look at the few things you do know to be true….without any added connatation…..usualy the K.I.S.S. method is best……..so try this on and tell me what you think……person walking in community….on sidewalk …in plain site……..person in vehicle obseves said person walking….feels there may be a prblem….calls police….tells them his obsevations and that he is following said person……dipatcher advises ….no more help from obsever needed….police are being dispatched….do not continue with following said person………should have been end of story…community watch person did what a community watch person is suppose to do….observe and report suspecious activity…..key word in community watch…is the word…..watch……….the problem comes in when said obsever does more than a community watch person is suppose to due…….he removed himself from the safety of his vehicle and went looking for the person in question……that is an act that was not necessary and an act which he was told not to do……..so….untill all the witnesses can be properly questioned….in a court of law……..everything else is only speculation from all……now if you have the ability to be impartial……I have not mentioned anything that is speculation or anything that has been mention by any so called witness……only what was 100% actualy known….we all heard what was said by Zimmerman himself….and the person at the police station…….put yourself in the shoes of either….the obsever/Zimmerman….or said person walking/Martin….and consider the outcome…..as Zimmerman…you are to watch and observe only…….you are in your own car…safe and secure…oh…and dry…cause it was reported to have been raining at the time this occured…….so…wouldn’t have been prudent to do as instructed…stay in car….do not follow…..did Zimmerman not put himself in jepordy by leaving the safety of the vehicle…….Martin did not aproach his car….so until Zimmerman left his vehicle there was not an opportunity for a confrontation between the two individuals…………now flash foward to the end result….a homoside was commited……weither it was justifiable or not is for the courts to decide…starting with a grand jury, which decides if enough evidence has been submitted for it to be carried to trial or dismissed…..and the only way for that to ocour is for an arrest to be made by the police…..anything less is not justice for Zimmerman or Martin….. oh…and if you don’t know what K.I.S.S stands for…..it means ….Keep It Simple Stupid……….all of us who assume we know what all the facts are …from what is always bias media….only show our stupidity…….if one wants to make a statement about guilt or innocence…..you should sart you blog by say….In my opinion and due to what I have read or heard….I think so and so is guilty and this is why………and as far as the police being able to fairly determen guilt or innocence…that is not their job…….a death occured as the result of a firearm being discharged………if someone simply kills another cleaning their firearm….they are arrested and charged…..then the courts decide….one thing you all seem to forget….there is two sides to every coin…..one side of the coin wasn’t told that night….he was dead…………………..

    • Vicki

      Hmmmm. Even simpler. Athletic young adult is bashing in the head of an older adult using a sidewalk. Older adult, fearing for his life and getting no response to his screams for help finally draws his legal to carry firearm and defends his own life.

      Much shorter. K.I.S.S.

      • norepsordems

        Nice scenerio Vicki…and thats the end of one also…..try backing up just a few minutes and imagine this….and just like your story….mine is hypothetical also…teenage boy walking back to home that he is staying at…by the way…new to neighborhood, so he doesn’t really know anyone….he sees an older adult following him….tries speeding up his pace to get home…not sure of the intent of this person …comming towards him in the rain…..older adult grabs at said teen….in order to hold him there for the police who are on the way…..when said adult grabs for teen….adults gun becomes visible because the coat he is wearing flys open, revealing the weapon…now the teen….in fear for his life….fights back….overpowering said adult…resulting in minor injurys to said adult…adult reacts by pulling gun out and shooting unarmed teen….again…all hypothetical…..considering no one saw how the confrentation started…..it is all speculation….and don’t think that said adult wouldn’t lie about how things transpired….remember….if he is shown to be at fault….he goes to prison for a long time, so he has every reason to fabricate a story that makes said teen look like the vilan……it’s people like you that only want to see the bad in the teen….and not the adult….I am not trying to “see” anything….but here is something for you to consider….I have lived in Florida for 25+ years….I know and understand many of the laws….I have many friends you have consealed wepons permits…so I know many, not all, of the rules, guidlines and laws you have to follow to llegaly carry….you can’t always have your gun on you…as it has been said….Zimmerman was acting in the capacity of a community watch person….as such….unless he has a specific Florida liscence….one that is an armed guard…when he exited his vehicle and began following Martin, according to the statues he was to remove his weapon, secure it in his vehicle and proceed….and if you don’t believe me…look it up…..I am not saying Zimmermen did not have the right to follow….but he did not have the legal right at that time to be armed…..he was told, not instructed not to, by the 911 call that they did not need him to continue to follow….again…police had been dispatched…..a crime was not being commited so imediate action was not necessary….if Zimmmerman had followed what had been …suggested…no confrintation would have occure…no death would have occured…..why don’t you try looking at the whoule picture and just some small scenerio you have in your mind that you think happened…..thats why I said what I did….just as easily as the scenerio that I described…..anotherone….where Zimmerman approached Martin….in a proper way ask who he was, ask him to stay untill the police arrived and things could be sorted out…and instead, Martin then became the aggresor and Zimmerman shot him as a result….so many different posibilities…..not to try and understand all of the …”known”…facts and making a rational decison from that….you are only assumeing what occured…and as you well know what happens to people that assume…….again…try and understand all of the facts and laws concerning those facts before you make your own…..hopefuly well thought out , and viable opinion as to what occured…..we all watch the crime shows…we all try and guess ….who done it….but…this is real life, there has been a real death…and the real truth needs to come out………..but if you think its necessary to jump to conclusions….go right ahead…it only shows how narrow minded people can be……………….

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

          Why are you grasping for straws coming up with all these hypothetical scenarios when the facts are documented and on record. We have the time lines of the 911 calls both by neighbors and Zimmerman. We have the time line of Trayvon’s cellphone call log to his girl friend. The murderer, record shows called 911 to report a suspicious looking black male walking up the block. Suspicion here was not based on any action of the teen such as an attempted car or house break in. It was just based purely on his profile. The word is Neighbors homes were being broken into at the time. The police having had a report of a spate of burglary in any neighborhood would not just go out and shot dead the first black teen they encountered. George is not a trained cop he had no reason confronting the teen. Its a difficult job for a trained cop much less an untrained racist and vigilante. Record shows Trayvon was minutes into his call to his girl friend while this psycho was planning his execution. He was told not to pursue the kid leave it to the police. He defied them got out of his vehicle pursued and confronted the kid as record shows while the kid was on his cell phone. Cell phone call went dead, at the same time neighbors hear scream for help and the gunshot that took an innocent kid’s life. The cops was there within 5 minutes. When did Trayvon have a chance to assault and beat up this 28 yr old vigilante wanna be cop. Voice analyst has also authenicated that the scream for help is not that of Zimmerman’s voice with 99.9 degree of certainty using technology employed by the CIA and FBI to track down s terrorist and wage the war on terror. Your grasping at stra ws just prove how consumed you are by your bigotry, hatred and ideology that you cant see beyond color and discern right from wrong. The court of public opinion will always convict zimmerman because his story is implausible. So, until he stops being the coward he was and still is when he shot and killed an unhared kid carrying nothing but a can of soda and a skittle. He must defend and justify his action in a court of law where forensic expert and ballistic report can rip to shred the tale he has told. For people like you totally devoid of empathy, heart and reason the only way to jar your senses is to have it happen to you or your kid. Maybe and only then you would allow yourself to try to imagine an angelic George Zimmerman doing what all reasonable people free of bias must conclude based on the facts we have before us. May God have mercy on you and zimmerman’s everlasting soul. I hope you two pray there is no hell , because if there is the people i read tell me you two have a first class reservation with your father the devil in the next life.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Delroy Brown, it is obvious that you did not listen to the un-edited version of Zimmerman’s 911 call nor did you read the actual Sanford PD incident report. You’re clearly the victim of MSM ignorance.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

          First of all two respected sources has already established that the scream for help on the 911 call is not the voice of George Zimmerman using Technology employed by the CIA and the FBI unless there is a third party when this case go to court and they validate the voice with that of Trayvon’s we will settle exactly whose it is. You were not there so stop saying George was crying for help. What is George head made of steel . He came to have his head pounded on the concrete suffered no concussion, brain damage and did not require a CAT-SCAN. Dude we are talking about the brain here delicate tissue. Don’t you think the police to cover themselves against lawsuit would insist on him going to the hospital. The cop’s were there in less than 5 minutes and nowhere does it says george was incoherent or unconscious. What is he made of. Is he not human made of flesh and blood. Just asking. We will find out if the police did their job, when we have the ballistic reports and forensic evidence. i was there. You seem to know it all.

      • DaveH

        The Propaganda Networks are falling all over themselves to cover their butts:
        http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/03/nbc-issues-apology-edited-zimmerman-11-call/

      • DaveH
        • norepsordems

          So Dave H…are you saying because he had an injury to the back of his head…that Martin started the confrintation?……..

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        So Delroy thinks we should wait until we’re unconscious to protect ourselves. Sorry, Delroy, only fools would adhere to your self-defense requirements.

      • DaveH

        Who are more racist, Delroy, Blacks or Whites?
        http://www.bestandworst.com/r/104739.htm

      • Vicki

        norepsordems says:

        Nice scenerio Vicki…and thats the end of one also…..try backing up just a few minutes and imagine this….and just like your story….mine is hypothetical

        Thanks. Mine is at least is short (The K.I.S.S principle you claim to advocate).

        when said adult grabs for teen….adults gun becomes visible because the coat he is wearing flys open, revealing the weapon…now the teen….in fear for his life….fights back….overpowering said adult

        We see how well that worked. Validating the assertion that unarmed people are at the mercy of armed people and verifying AGAIN the importance of not bringing a sidewalk to a gunfight. Now had Martin really seen the gun he (being a reasonable young adult :) ) would have Stood His Ground and focused on disarming his assailant not banging his assailant’s head against the sidewalk OR meekly submitting to Mr Zimmerman’s orders.
        So you see that the evidence strongly suggests that a key assumption in your (way too long to be K.I.S.S) scenario is in error.

        (snip the rest of norepsordems way to long to be K.I.S.S response)

        • norepsordems

          Your pVicki…is in my original KISS statement….I made NO ASSUMPTIONS…..you are the one makeing them in almost every thing you say…that is where the problem lies…especially when you make the statement…his leagal to cary firearm…really…you live in fFlorida?….I do…for over 25 years….and when it goes to court…that will be something that is brought up….at the time Zimmerman was going after, looking for, or trying to get closer to observe Martin….acoring to the laws that come in to play at that time….he was acting as a community watch person….which in the eyes of the law, mean a gurd…he was guarding the community he lived in…all well and good….but in Florida…there are 2 kinds of guards…..unarmed…and armed…the later, needing a special liscence to carry a gun…not just a concealed weapons permit………so before you start saying things like, legal to cary fun……know the laws…….and I bet it will be brought out…….now don’t get me wrong…..I feel itisperfectly fine to be armed, with a gun…..but it’s not there for you to go looking for a reason to have to use it….in fact, another statute in Florida disallows the use of deadly force by a citizen to stop someone , who is in the act of commiting a crime……unless that crime is against another human, and you feel that humans lifeis in danger….not the case here….nop one else involved………so why don’t you take your Nancy Grace , guilty because I say so attitude…..and get better informed about facts, before you critizize someone who attempts to do that…….I don’t know if Zimmerman is guilty ….but he did commit a homicide….and should be tried in a court of law….not the court of public opinion……….

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Delroy says “First of all two respected sources has already established that the scream for help on the 911 call is not the voice of George Zimmerman using Technology employed by the CIA and the FBI unless there is a third party when this case go to court and they validate the voice with that of Trayvon’s we will settle exactly whose it is.”

        Here are some of the actual facts for you Delroy:
        a. The forensic expert(Owens)said there was a 48% chance that the voice on the 911 tape belonged to Zimmermann…that means a 52% chance that it wasn’t. Far from incriminating!

        b. The forensic expert(owens)stated that they DID NOT have a sample of Trayvon Martin’s voice to compare to the screams on the 911 tape which means they cannot, with any certainty, identify exactly whose screams were on the 911 tape.

  • Alex

    The Trayvon Martin killing is, indeed, getting a tremendous amount of media attention, but not unduly so.

    Much like the reaction to George Holiday’s video recording of the savage police beating of Rodney King, people in many areas are amused only by the fact that the largely-uninformed population thinks it is something new, something novel.

    Everyone knows that if young Mr Martin had shot Mr Zimmerman, he would be under arrest. Whether Zimmerman is or is not racist is not the real racial issue here; that issue is the different response this country takes to crime with regard to race.

    Just as law enforcement for decades has routinely beaten non-offending Black citizens but needed Mr Holiday’s camcorder to bring that reality into the myopic Amerikkkan vision, enlightened America has seen for centuries the disparity in our Fatherland’s reaction to Black-on-White versus White-on-Black crime.

    Any injuries to Mr Zimmerman’s head are the result of HIS unwarranted and most unwelcome intrusion into Mr Martin’s space. Any broken nose or battered head are due to the fact that Mr Martin chose to STAND HIS GROUND, which, according to the Teabaggers, only counts when you have a gun.

    • http://www.targetfocustraining.com/media/videos GrayStroke

      Alex you almost had a good story until you started with the pejoratives. Qualify the definition of a tea bagger will you? For us ignorant unwashed massed just what does that mean in your liberal mind?

      Rodney king was a thug and the police also were not justified. Once on the ground there was a lack of policy to handcuff the man. So I also see police abuse as well here in Houston. That does not excuse either side. Both sides need to be adults. YOU ALEX add to the racial fire by ASSUMING and CONCLUDING that what the duly recognized neighbor hood watch captain did was to get into this man’s face. YOU like all others DO NOT have all the facts. You ignore the strict process of what happens to a CHL owner when he/she discharges a weapon. Once the CHL holder unholsters that weapon, their lives will change forever. You obviously must be very uneducated about the personal responsibilities that go along with being a licensed CHL owner. For anyone to draw a weapon it challenges the very fiber of one’s moral compass and is not a light thing to do. Unless your a gang-banger that shoots sideways…..

      Most all other arguments ignore that a thorough investigation goes with a CHL event.

      Thank you for contributing your vile liberal stew here and let’s see if any conservatives can denounce and counter your shallow thought process and inability to carry a conversation w/o calling anyone a tea bagger.

      Which by the way just what is a tea bagger, what do look like what do they say and how do they act that is unique to the name you have called them?

      ALEX…..WE THE CONSERVATIVES ARE WAITING for your specific explanation do not dance around it give us a straight answer…..

      I will check in later tonight to read your well thought exposition……

    • http://www.targetfocustraining.com/media/videos GrayStroke

      I think this may summarize / answer a bit what is going on with this administration. AND if you are BLACK pay attention get past and over yourself thinking your special based on skin color alone. …. time to live your life based on content of your character…….

      Summary after reading my own frustrations… We are voicing our frustration from 40 years of Progressive oppression and conservative ‘silent majority’ ….

      watch and let us all move on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-FGgoReyNE

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        Now if you would only judge people by the content of their character what a wonderful world this would be.Have ever being black. If not shut up

        • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

          No, I have never been black but my people were treated worse. I am of mixed-blood Native American and European. My people (European) were either sold into Slavery (bondage) by the Ruling class in Europe or killed out right. As to the Native American, we were lied to, murdered, poisined, our land stolen from us, our women rape and murdered. No wonder we fought back. Oh I forgot, about some of your people were just as guilty as the whiteman; they were called “The Buffalo Soldiers”.

          Oh, if you trace your lineage back far enough you might find that some of your forefathers in Africa were Slavers themselves and sold their own blood into bondage. Oh, my white side never owned any slaves and even fought during the Civil War, which if you take the time to learn was not really fought over slavery but States Rights. Oh, sure there was some soldiers that fought to keep their slaves but they were only a small portion of the Confederacy; however, there were more from the North that fought to free the Slaves that they believed was morally wrong.

          So, Sir, before you open your mouth and put your foot in deeper do your homework and study history.

          • norepsordems

            Hey John….finane else who understands the African slave trade….I bet if you ask 1000 black people…who call themselves…Africam Americans…..you would be lucky to find 1 that new that about the African Kings……thus the termonology…slave trade….Europeans took goods from the east….spices, silks and guns…to Africa….traded them for people….brought them west to the islands and America…sold them….then went back to the east with that money and started the circle all over….and I also have American Indian ancestors…..so I know what you meanabout ancestors being slaves and misstreated……funny how black people think they have a monopoly on being misstreated…..very good response to Delroy…..but I think if you read alot of his post….he really isn’t a black person…but someone on here baiting the whole race issue over a crime that should not have ever been called a racial killing…..keep up putting them in their place of unknowlegable people…whomever they may be………..

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

            norepsordems, yip and all that from a poor white boy who spent most of his adult life defending this country and all it rights, who quit High School to it. Oh, I did a lot of reading and studying while on active duty.

            Oh, I was told that little tidbit about the Slave trade from an Officer who just happened to be Black (oops, African-American) and a graduate of West Point. He was one of the finest officer and human beings that was my pleasure to serve with and know. I even spent time at his home where I met his wife and kids and where I was treated as an equal. He is the one that got me studying for which I am greatful.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

            I am sorry but I can’t seem to feel your pain. I tend to doubt that you or your ancestors experienced the same adversity because of your mixed heritage as do the People that are purely Black. People like yourself and judging from your rebuke, often assimilate and pass yourself off as all white and turn on your own people who are not mixed and other minorities to validate your status.Few people can distinguish your heritage just by looking at you, so you play this game.. You look at a black person you can tell he is black which automatically disqualifies him from equal access, opportunity and membership to the same privileges you take for granted. Some of this is not done overtly, often times we cant prove this since the oppressor often does not come out and tell you , you are the wrong color. This is not a complaint or pity party, just want to refute your ill conceive claim that you and Black travel the same road. Both, don’t necessarily experience the same forces and obstacles of oppression when it comes to discrimination.. Unlike you I’m being impersonal since I have never met you, neither do I know your life story. I speak in general terms. My point is you cant speak about everyone, you don’t know. the life e The life experience of every Black you self righteously schooled and the many Black’s who suffered and died during slavery and their ancestors you are quick to blame instead of those who did them wrong. That;s is no consolation you did not live 400 years ago and do not know the forces that were at work and what people were forced to endure during more challenging time where options were limited. Only the strong survived. The weak were overpowered or worse fell by the wayside. African were peaceful and were no match for the power of the gunpowder which continued to this day.You were quick I note to point out the fact that your ancestors had no role in slavery and were victim. Congratulations , but there has been a lot of revisionist history through the years by Europeans and Americans to sooth the conscience and placate the heart so if it makes you feel better stick to yor belief. I choose not to share it.

      • DaveH

        Have you ever been White, Delroy?

  • chuckb

    what i don’t understand is: where is the justice dept., why hasn’t the feds arrested the hoodlum of the black kitty party who threatened zimmermans life by issuing a bounty on him? we have a double standard in this country, if you are black, rules and law don’t effect you. kill, maim or whatever, if you commit a high profile crime, they will make sure you have a sympathetic jury of your color (o j simpson) to make sure you win. your ancestors where held in slavery, so you are owed to do what you wish. you scream about profiling, when 60% of the crime in this country is committed by blacks who are close to thirty five per percent of the population. isn’t that comparable to a young arab man boarding a plane.

    the federal government under the bolsheviks have kept the blacks in poverty with welfare, affirmative action in education, they have bred a nation of people who bow to the federal government for their living. it keeps the bolsheviks in office and it also keeps themselves as modern day slaves to the government. so the blacks should wake up and see what their real problem is, it is themselves. of course the bolsheviks will keep accusing the racist without that term what have they left.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      chuckb says: what i don’t understand is: where is the justice dept., why hasn’t the feds arrested the hoodlum of the black kitty party who threatened zimmermans life by issuing a bounty on him?

      The justice dept, The feds, chuckb? That’s like asking; why doesn’t the crime syndicate investigate, and prosecute itself?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      Stop you ranting about justice and the federal government. Blacks have being murdered and lynched for years by the KKK and the justice department did nothing.the Black panther is exercising their freedom of speech. I don’t subscribe to it but the Fed cant go after every one who exercise their constitutional right, the prison would be filled , and you would be the first one arrested. Our prisons today is filled with young Blacks some of them innocent who have being accused and convicted of crime. Blacks commit a crime they go to jail. Oj is an aberration , that is bought justice , we all now that in America poor white and minorities go to jail for their crime. If you have money like Zimmerman or you daddy is a an ex judge you walk based on your account of event with no collaborating evidence. This is what the uproar is about. It a matter of right and wrong . Zimmerman should prove is case in a court of law not through his dad, friend dad, and lawyer. He must come forward.. Every one in prison will tell you they are innocent even if you catch them standing over the victim. Obviously George is gonna concoct a story to walk, he knows the law his father is an ex judge, he is a wanna be cop. On Black’s living off the Fed , you need to go down south . Black only make up about 14% of the population there are more Whites than Black on the dole . Neither people have a choice as the jobs have moved overseas. I don’t mind my tax going to help people put food in their stomach , we are a rich country. It makes me feel good . I only hate when my tax goes to build prison, build weapons that kill and start war where innocent lives are lost.

      • DaveH

        Sure you don’t mind, Delroy, because it’s other peoples’ money. I do mind. Theft is Theft no matter who decides how the money is spent.
        By the way, is this yet another Flashman personality? Sure seems odd how these disparate characters come from nowhere, comment vociferously, fabricate facts, and offer no references to back up their conjecture — just like Flashman.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

          who is stealing your money. The tax cheats, or corporation on welfare.

      • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

        Brown, you are so full of it. The (New) Black Panthers are not excersizing their First Amendment rights by placing a bounty on Mr. Zimmerman’s head, Dead or Alive I might add. They are inciting a lynching. In-other-words they are out to Cause a Race-war.

        Before, you say I sound like a Racist, I am not and never have been. I look at an individual’s abilities, if he/she can do the job for which they are trained I want them in my Squad/Section. Oh, also I want someone that can think on his/her feet when the sh-t-hits-the-fan and not someone that I have to take by the hand and lead everywhere.

      • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

        Brown, too further educate you about the 1st Amendment. You can not “Cry fire in a crowded theatre.” In my humble opinion that is exactly what the Panters are doing by placing the bounty on Mr. Zimmerman’s head.

        Oh, you might what to read the following amendments: I, IV, V to find out about your rights and Mr. Zimmerman’s pertaining to this incident.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      They will probably arrest them if they carry out the threat. I am not at all surprised that you are calling for the arrest of a threat taken out of context but wont call for the arrest of a murder. Oh they are Black. Zimmerman is not. Props to the Black panther.

  • Karolyn

    Isn’t PLD part of the media and giving the public just what they want to hear?

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Karolyn says DUH! Are you drunk, related to eddie or on drugs? Just askin’.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Karolyn says: Isn’t PLD part of the media and giving the public just what they want to hear?

      Are you saying that PLD is giving you, the public, just what you want to hear, Karolyn? If so, are you complaining, or are you expressing kudos?

  • http://google rose

    This situation reminds me of incident that happened to me about 20 years ago. I was leaving my motel room and had my hands full of luggage and getting into my van. Across the parking lot about 20 feet away I see two men talking one white and one black. The black man turns in my direction and asks if I have a light for a cigarette and I said no. He keeps approaching me asking over and over if I have a light. I knew after the first time he asked that he seen me as a target to mug. I am a white woman and at the time I only weighted about 125 lbs. I managed to get into my van, but was about an inch from getting my door shut. He grabbed the door open and pounced on me weilding a switchblade knife to my throat. and said lay stil b*tch. Fearing for my life and afraid of being raped, I fought back. Even though he had me pinned down between to bucket seats in the van, I managed to pull one of my legs up and commenced kicking him in the face and neck as hard as I could. I managed to get my other leg out too and just kept kicking and kicking. The man was three times bigger than me and was muscle bound. He screamed in a high pitched scream and cried and begged for me to stop. I managed to break away and took off running. Needless to say he robbed my van after I took off running. I was the victim, but my attacker was screaming for me to stop, when I defended myself.

    • http://www.targetfocustraining.com/media/videos GrayStroke

      Rose you are an inspiration!!! woo-hoo and your testimony would be of great contribution to the women here at this website: http://www.targetfocustraining.com/media/videos

      I have bought the books and have read much to alter my mind set. You stated a VERY key fact knowing where to kick and to never stop until you have assessed the situation knowing when it is finally safe to make a run for it.

      I salute your courage. This is one example of what too many in this nation lacks.

      Lord willing I will go to the next Dallas training event.

      God Bless hope you will visit their web site and learn that what you did is extraordinary and share for others to be encouraged.

  • FreedomFighter


    The Hegelian dialectical formula: A (thesis) versus B (anti-thesis) equals C (synthesis).

    For example: If (A) my idea of freedom conflicts with (B) your idea of freedom then (C) neither of us can be free until everyone agrees to be a slave.

    The only reason the Liberal left is stirring the pot about the tragic shooting of the young thug in fla is that it fits there agenda:

    Gun control legislation

    The news services actually lied to the public, twisted recordings, left out eye witness accounts and flat out created racial tension under a false flag. Going the the extent of calling the shooter a White-Hispanic, like calling Obama a Black-Whiteman using thier logic.

    Obama is a comunist/socialist using Alinsky tactics, imploying the Hegelian Dialectic formula to DISARM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC

    They are planning 5-10 moves ahead, so sad these communist monsters will use any sad situation to push there agenda of slavery.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Vicki

      We just point out that if Mr Martin was truly the innocent victim liberals want us to believe then government is to blame for Mr Martin’s death by not allowing him to carry the best tool for self defense. Proof in the incident itself. Mr Martin tried to use a sidewalk but it was no match for the pistol.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        Vicky , I hope you encounter George Zimmerman one day, people with his mentality comes in all color remember that and I pray your gun wont save you. He will claim self defense. Your gun loving thugs will spit on your grave and drag your name through the mud just like you now do to Trayvon. I pray for your day of reckoning . If there is a God it will come.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        If we all armed , we will all be dead and we would not need the police. You are uncivilized.

      • mdbonjr

        Wow Delroy. What a bold statement. Again, you choose to promote misinformation. Do you know about the gun laws in Switzerland? Do you know the crime statistics of Switzerland? Please take a few moments to google those up and educate yourself. Your statement has been wholly proven wrong by the irrefutable existence of decades worth of statistics. For more proof, take a look at Kennesaw, Georgia. That’s right, here in America.

      • DaveH

        Delroy reveals his true colors — “I pray your gun wont save you”.
        Seek help, Delroy (or Flashman?).

      • Vicki

        Delroy Brown says:

        Vicky , I hope you encounter George Zimmerman one day, people with his mentality comes in all color remember that and I pray your gun wont save you.

        Praying for my death are you? How terribly sweet. I shall pray that your Creator forgives your trespasses. I shall also use the powers given to me by my Creator to neutralize any credible and serious threat to the gifts your Creator gave to you. As I have been doing here for several days now.

      • Vicki

        Delroy Brown says:

        If we all armed , we will all be dead and we would not need the police. You are uncivilized.

        You do realize that you and I could not possibly be having this conversation if your assertion were true? For nearly 100 years of it’s founding, citizens of the United States of America were mostly armed. This gun control nonsense is a fairly recent phenomenon brought about by people who wish to be rulers of The People rather than being in service to them. http://www.wnd.com/2007/06/41950/

  • Ethel

    First of all! It is not a crime to walk in a neighborhood in America. So why did George bother this law abiding citizen? The 911 tapes clearly let’s you know that the youth ran and George chased him. You could hear the running on the tape and George admitting that the police should call him to find out his location when they arrive, when they clearly told him to stay in a specific place and not to follow the youth. (Who George should not have been bothering in the first place). In the United States of America,it is not a crime to walk to the store, in a neighborhood your parent lives in, while talking on your cell phone,minding your own business. Can you imagine yourself in this predicament?

    Your little brother wants some skittles, so you being the older brother and his role model, decides to brave the weather, and go to the local 7-11 to make your baby brother smile. By getting him his favorite candy, skittles. You wants to the store, gets the skittles, then a little something for yourself, a tea. While walking home, you get a phone call. Its your girlfriend. So you’re feeling pretty good right now. You’re caught up in the phone call, the puppy love etc.. But then you notice, someone is following you, It could be a pedophile or Jack the ripper! You’re afraid, then you start looking around for your dad’s girlfriend place, since you are not that familiar with the area. God forbid you may have gotten a little lost when you tried to change your route,because you noticed this suspicious character following you. Even though you try to lose him by changing your route back home, but to no avail. Finally, fear and adrenaline kicks in and you start to run,because this suspicious older male is clearly following you. What could this suspicious older, larger male possibly want from this younger, smaller, male, that he’s following you so intently? When you run, he starts chasing you. Oh my God! Why is this happening? And he is faster than you and catches you. You try to fight for your life,but he is much larger and stronger than you and he’s hurting you. You do what your parents have told you from the time you were two. You yell for help! Then this strange man pulls out a gun! Oh my God! He’s going to kill me! You fight for your life to no avail. You just got shot in your chest, then he throws you down on your stomach and holds you there. No CPR being administered. You can’t breathe, the blood is filling your lungs, you are losing conscience.

    Now Your spirit leaves your body and you are looking down at your body lying on the ground in the rain and this suspicious character, this older strange man is standing over your lifeless body and you think, I just wanted some skittles and a tea. Why am I dead?

    • mdbonjr

      Ethel, please

      • mdbonjr

        Sorry, I accidentally hit the enter key too soon. As I was saying,

        Ethel, please take the time to read through the other posts here. If not, take the time to do more research on this matter. There is a growing amount of evidence that contradict your
        thoughts and impressions as to what took place during this tragedy. The media has presented you with false, manipulated, inaccurate and altered information that in and of itself is borderline or fully illegal in and of itself. If you choose to believe what the media feeds you, you are seriously limiting yourself. The media relies on you to do exactly as you are doing. Otherwise, there would be no reason for them to do as they are doing. Please do not continue to perpetuate the lies.

      • Vicki

        The media has been caught red handed lying to the public in a blatant attempt to incite a riot or maybe a race war as Chip asks. The only safe source of facts at this time are the actual transcript of the 911 call and the police report.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      What media misinformation are you alluding to. We have the police release of the 911 call, Trayvons cell phone log and the neighbors call to 911, we hear the scream for help and the sound of gun shot. We have hearsay account from George since he is too coward to talk saying that was him crying out with the high pitch voice of a teenager. Voice expert using the technology employed by the CIA and FBI confirmed that the voice is definitely not zimmerman’s with better than 99 percent certainty. If Trayvon was pounding george’s head head on the concrete he would have suffered brain damage and concussion unless his head was made of steel. However we see him walking into the police station less than 40 minutes later , his clothes in immaculate condition, not a hair out of place, shirt neatly tucked in no blood or sign of trauma. You have your head beaten in the concrete and trust me the police will not run the risk of being sued they would have you checked out at a hospital. There record should show you as being incoherent, a ball player take a hard elbow and he is out of it with a concussion and you have your head beaten with concrete and require no medical attention , no bandage. Its reeks to high hell, something is rotten in the town of Sandford. You need to stop listening to Fox tabloid propagand, Oreiily, Hannity and Limbaugh and formulate your own opinion using your analytical intuition. These guys are paid up to $50 millions a year to indoctrinate and hammer home a point of view the dont let facts get in the way of ideology dont be a victim. Be a leader not a follower. Look behind you if there is nobody behind you you are just a tool of someones racist propaganda..

      • mdbonjr

        Perhaps then, Delroy, you should look behind yourself. Did you not even bother to read the editorial above this forum thread? You have by all means and purpose proven that you wish to remain willfully ignorant. Your right to choose to do so but, we both know, that by doing so you are now lying and perpetuating the lies. I’m sorry that you feel it necessary to do this but, do not assume that anyone else is. Everything you have based your argument on has been proven false or at best, speculation. Another error you have made is to presume to know from where, whom and how I get my information. You simply don’t know me from Adam nor do I know you. As you have done with me in making presumptions, so have you done with this tragedy. A fact ignored is still a fact. An absolute is nothing less than an absolute.

    • Windrinker

      Good greif, Ethel, is your pointy, tinfoil hat too tight!

  • Lois

    Some people are jumping to judgement. Let the courts take care of this case. I heard a taped call with Mr. Zimmerman, and he WAS NOT being racist, he didn’t mention race until asked.

    My thought is Mr. Zimmerman was attacked by Martin. Unfortunately, a person is dead.

    This whole incident is a media/govt. race baiting issue. I hope there are some black people out there that have the brains to know this tactic.

  • Lois

    My thought is if Zimmerman was arrested, and there was another trial….it would be another O.J.simpson trial. The jury let him off because he was black. It was a trial on racism. But, because Zimmerman is not black, he wouldn’t get off. It is a message of sorts of the race baiters.

    This is an example of what God was telling us….we were not meant to intermingle, but if we do, we must treat each other with respect. Our gates were opened to people we have nothing in common. We need to turn back to God’s Word, laws, wisdom.

    Covenants with pagan or ungodly nations leads to idolatry and adoption of pagan ways. Exod. 34:12-16; Deut. 7:2-4.

    You shall not allow foreigners that are pagans to emigrate into or dwell in your nation; for they shall be as pricks in your eyes and as thorns in your sides, and they shall trouble you in your land. Exod. 23:33; Josh. 23:12-13.

    • cawmun cents

      To Lois….

      Your eisegsis of scripture doesnt necessarily fit in this case.
      You must realize that the scriptures you quoted were meant for ancient Israel,not to be applied in a modern context.
      Understanding that ancient rules no longer apply to modern standards will get you far.
      Imagining that rules written for ancient Israel are to be adhered to in a modern context makes you incompetent to interpret scripture in context with modern societal rules.
      The two just cannot be put together and make any sense.
      This causes others to mis-interpret scripture,and thereby fail to see the context for which it was written.These ancient rules were never meant to apply to us.
      They are knowledge by which we can be enriched in our understanding of God,but not to be taken literally as rules to apply to today.
      Otherwise it would be necessary to bring an atonement sacrifice to a temple which no longer exists,because you cannot obey one ancient law and not obey another,and be considered competent in obeying the law to its fullest extent.
      In knowing that ancient laws and scripture were written to ancient people,and not to modern people.It is to your benefit to realize that this is true,and then to know that these scriptures were written for our benefit to know the past more thoroughly,therefore understanding the true mercy of God through Jesus Christ,in a more modern context.
      To apply these ancient rules in todays society would require that individual cultures not be mixed in modern society.
      I submit that this is an improbability since in todays society,it is already done.
      Whereas in ancient societies there was cultural difference,only spiritual difference remains today.For thousands of years various societies have mingled to create what today is modern society.That cannot be denied,nor shall it be in the context of Western Civilization.
      Respectfully,
      -CC.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      Who are you fooling with that teaching of hatred and racism from the old testament? This is the same teaching used to justify slavery, the holocaust and all the religious wars through the ages.. Remember the old testament is Moses law its for the Jew. Jesus came and fulfilled the Law. We are now under grace. It is not by works anymore. Depending if you are a christian or jew your belief may not align. People like yourself can always find a scripture from the bible which conveniently support your, hatred, bigotry, racism or homophobia. A lot of the bible is written in parable and is not to be taken literally , it uses a lot of symbolism that needs interpretation. The Islamic extremist does the same thing as they see every body as infidel who dont share their belief. You are perpetuating the same myth. have a nice day.

  • Lois

    To Vic

    I agree men and women are different, thank God.

    It is primarily a woman’s job to make sure she doesn’t get pregnant….it’s only common sense, as she is literally the one holding the bag. She should be a lady, and not “accept” any man’s “invitation”, there is such a thing as abstinence. It is also a man’s job to NOT jump into bed with every woman he meets. He should be a gentleman enough NOT to ask a woman for sex at every turn…use abstinence.

    • Vicki

      Abstinence works. It is by far the MOST effective birth control method.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        Yes we know that. But not every body can adhere to abstinence hence we need birth control. Keep practicing your abstinence , I wont infringe on your right if you dont infringe on my right to use contraceptive.

      • Vicki

        Delroy Brown writes

        I wont infringe on your right if you dont infringe on my right to use contraceptive.

        I will fully support your right to use contraceptive as long is you fully accept responsibility for a child conceived when it fails.

  • http://www.charter.net James Graham

    Written by an Australian Dentist
    02.2011

    To Kill an American
    You probably missed this in the rush of news, but there was actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper, an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American any American.

    So an Australian dentist wrote an editorial the following day to let everyone know what an American is. So they would know when they found one. (Good one, mate!!!!)

    ‘An American is English, or French, or Italian, Irish, German, Spanish , Polish, Russian or Greek. An American may also be Canadian, Mexican, African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Iranian, Asian or Arab or Pakistani or Afghan.

    An American may also be a Comanche, Cherokee, Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, Seminole or one of the many other tribes known as native Americans.

    An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist or Muslim. In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan . The only difference is that in America they are free to worship as each of them chooses.

    An American is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.

    An American lives in the most prosperous land in the history of the world.
    The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence , which recognizes the God given right of each person to the pursuit of happiness.

    An American is generous. Americans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need, never asking a thing in return.

    When Afghanistan was over-run by the Soviet army 20 years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country!

    As of the morning of September 11, Americans had given more than any other nation to the poor in Afghanistan.
    The national symbol of America , The Statue of Liberty, welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed. These in fact are the people who built America

    Some of them were working in the Twin Towers the morning of September 11, 2001 earning a better life for their families. It’s been told that the World Trade Center victims were from at least 30 different countries, cultures and first languages, including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.

    So you can try to kill an American if you must.
    Hitler did. So did General Tojo and Stalin and Mao Tse-Tung and other blood-thirsty tyrants in the world. But, in doing so you would just be killing yourself . Because Americans are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, is an American.’

    Please keep this going!
    Pass this around the World .
    Then pass it around again. It says it all, for all of us.
    Please do not just delete.

    Pass it on .
    Thanks!

    • Vicki

      Really nice. Thanks for sharing that James.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        Why are you thanking him, you are no different from outsiders who wanna kill Americans, aren’t Black’s american you just justified with out support Zimmerman’s execution of an an innocent Black kid. If those who wanna kill us get into the country with our lax gun law all they have to do is start in Florida. They can count on most of the people supporting Zimmerman to stand up for their right as long as they claim self defense the cop will make them walk.

      • Vicki

        Delroy Brown says:

        Why are you thanking him, you are no different from outsiders who wanna kill Americans, aren’t Black’s american you just justified with out support Zimmerman’s execution of an an innocent Black kid.

        I notice your use of the race card. This is quite typical of liberals and as such we can easily determine that you are one.

        Your sentence does not parse. Mr Zimmerman did not execute anyone. There was another person there who was trying to kill Mr Zimmerman by bashing him over the head with a sidewalk. Is that your definition of innocent? If so then perhaps those who think that liberalism is a mental disorder have some basis for their belief.

    • Thinking About

      When you read these emails and they start with something like a dentist wrote this be very suspicious. I check these stories out on fact check web sites and again this one is a hoax. People who believe these are probably going to fall for Nigerian contacting us to say they are handling an inheritance and if you just send them some money they will release the money they have.

      • mdbonjr

        Honestly, you have focused on something that has absolutely zero meaning. It simply doesn’t matter who wrote the letter. The message is loud and clear.

    • James

      James G., What America has become is one thing but what it started out to be is another. All of the Founding Fathers were of the same race and religion, five different nations with five different cultures, but all were white and Christian. No other person here, for a long time, was considered to be a citizen of the United States. Where they messed up was embracing slavery, which started their downfall.

  • mdbonjr

    Any miscreant can help bring a child into the world. It takes a Man to be a father. I agree there is equal accountability for both genders in regards to sexual behavior. The problem there is our schools. Abstinence is no longer taught and in some cases is looked down upon. To top that off, without a solid moral foundation, promiscuity has sky rocketed which has led to an overwhelming element of peer pressure.

    Personally, I believe schools have no business teaching children anything with regards to sex until their late high school years. At that point it should be limited to the reproductive process alone. Sexual morals should be taught at home.

    If you believe that sex-ed does have a place in school, then shouldn’t it involve exposing the complete truths? Why not give the full statistics on contraceptive failures? Why not teach about each and every STD in existence and support those lessons with graphic photos?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      Repeating Zimmerman is innocent does not make it so. I am willing to risk my life , suffer execution if that man is innocent. If he is , the Devil is a Liar

  • Coolinout

    You know, I’ve read all the garbage about Zimmerman, saw the baby pics of Trayvon, and heard all about what terrible vigilante justice can produce.
    Now to the real world:
    Last night I heard a solid noise outside the house in the darkness of 10 PM. Being older, with a bad shoulder on my strong side, I did what I usually do. I picked up my 45 cal. handgun, a good flashlight to be used only if I needed to blind someone on property other than their own, and headed out the back door to make a sweep of the property. I watch mine and the city LEO’s place next door when he’s on the job.
    After satisfying myself that everything was as it should be, I came back inside to Geraldo Rivera saying that Zimmerman had no business carrying a weapon on his patrol. I actually stood in the middle of the livingroom and laughed out loud at his stupidity.
    Ever since I got my permit years ago, I’ve carried every day. Either you carry it or you don’t but don’t do it part time. A person who carries is in the business of saving lives. He is the weapon. His firearm is just a tool. The same with his blade,extra mags and flashlight. Never forget your tools. If someone dies, and you couldn’t help, you’ll never forgive yourself.

    • mdbonjr

      Amen Cool.

    • Ethel

      Wow! What is going on in America? So sir, what if that had been a couple of kids playing hide and seek or some other childhood game and they accidentally bumped into your gate or house for that matter and then ccontinues to run and hide with their friends, not having any malice in their hearts, just being kids. ( which a lot of kids play these games outside at 10 pm, ESP. During the summer months, when school is out). But because of your overwhelming fear, you would’ve just killed or maimed an innocent child? Or if your over zealous paper boy hit your house when he threw your paper in your yard. Now he’s shot dead for this? Get a grip man, this same over zealous fearful behavior killed an innocent man, who was minding his own business. His crime though, was walking while black. How would you feel if your life was treated as invaluable,every day of your life? That killing a dog would be treated as more important than killing you, solely because of your race,even though you are a law abiding citizen?

      • mdbonjr

        Ethel, what would you do if someone was literally beating you to death?

      • Coolinout

        Ethel,
        Nice rant, but why would I be fearful? The things you go on about are foreign to me.
        A walk around the house to check for intruders is nothing to be fearful of.
        Killing is something I find very distasteful, because I’ve done plenty of it. Never confront a combat veteran on this subject if you don’t want your ears pinned back. I was a scout sniper in Viet Nam and committed calculated murder on a weekly basis. Not random shooting at an enemy, but carefully placed rounds to kill instantly from 800 – 1000 yards, an enemy I’d stalked for days. So don’t talk to me about being frightened.
        Next you speak of kids. We who know what we’re doing call it “target aquisition and identificatrion.” The only people I know of lately who kill innocent people are police swat teams because they train less than I do.
        Next on the racist issue. I don’t believe I mentioned a derogatory word about one race or the other. Just simple facts about the realities of carrying a weapon.
        A weapon is a tool not unlike a shovel or a rake. The weapon in the hands of a trained marksman is a life saving tool. Now maybe if you had a gun you’d shoot at shadows in the back yard. Usually the anti gun crowd, in making their remarks are saying they are the ones that can’t be trusted with a firearm and think everyone is as stupid as they are. But that’s another subject.

  • Thinking About

    There is video with Zimmerman’s brother stating if his brother’s head had hit the concrete once more he would have a head injury so bad he would probably be a vegetable for the rest of his life. Sure lies have told, and will continue to be told. I ask some friends the other day if they knew it was raining and they did not know that fact and it was on the 911 call. Fact is if Zimmerman remained in his vehicle and left the pursuit to the proper police there would not have been any way to have his bead pounced on the ground or concrete. He tried to be a hero and turned out to be a zero.

    • norepsordems

      I agree 100% with you on this….and that is what most people on the otherside of the fence on this do not understand…….At the time Zimmerman got out of his vehicle….he became the aggresor….he activly saught out Martin….a confrentation ocured…ending in a death…if he had of remained in his vehicle as instructed on the phone….no confreentation would have ocured…no death…no problem….

  • Coolinout

    It’s got nothing to do with being hero. You need some combat son. Let’s send you to the middle east. There’s no heroes over there, just people trying to live.
    Anytime someone defends his AO there’s some know nothing that says he’s trying to be a hero.

    • http://www.targetfocustraining.com/media/videos GrayStroke

      Thanks for your service over there sir….as a non-combat vet… much as back in the day when I served with Nam vets that were on rehab in S. Korea I listened and learned …. you bring out good points thanks for sharing…….

  • Ethel

    Mdbonjr- Take your own advice. In other words take the plank from your own eye,so you can see clearly how to take the speck from mines. I stand by everything I wrote earlier concerning the Trayvon Martin case, or lack thereof. All the racism in the world can not make a wrong, a right. I suggest you look at the facts sir and put yourself in Trayvon’s shoes. Let’s not pretend that this type of stuff doesn’t happen almost everyday here in America. Shame on all those who try to justify treating people wrongfully because of their race. Oh I forgot, my head is in the sand, there is no racism in America. Really?

    • mdbonjr

      I agree, Ethel, that racism does exist. You will not hear me deny nor condone it. I do not however, understand how you were able to gather in any way, shape or form, a reference to racism from my earlier reply. There simply isn’t any. I only asked that you fact check your statement and to not perpetuate the lies. Until you do so, you will only continue to present yourself as willfully ignorant and desiring to turn this tragedy into something it is not. Facts are not on your side.

      • Ethel

        Those are the facts sir! There is nothing you or anyone else can say, that would make me agree to killing an innocent child! I am not ignorant but I am a believer of the truth. Although you say you don’t condone racism,your words say the opposite. Blacks in America have been treated so badly and disrespectfully,solely because they are black. I would not sleep peacefully knowing that I hated someone solely because of their race. I’m sure your sleep isn’t affected though. Hating someone who haven’t done anything to you,just because of their race is Racism!!! Which is what this story is about at it’s core/foundation. That is why, you see the anger and the disbelief that a lot of people have. That people’s hatred has gotten so bad that they would murder an innoncent child, just because he is black! Wow! How can anyone honorable defend something like this? Shame on you! By the way, black people aren’t your enemy. You are straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel!

        I’ve always wondered how slavery could exist in America for so long,with this nation claiming to be a Christian nation. Now I don’t have to wonder any more. But I can say for certain, you will reap what you have sown. And you want reap at the hand of black Americans. Those you think not, will cause you to reap what you have sown!

      • mdbonjr

        Ethel, this will be my final attempt at getting you to recognize your biased errors. First of all, you and you alone are the only one that has tried to make this a racial issue in our discussions. You continue to attempt to use it against me. I will not be bated. To prove this, I have one question for you. What race am I?

        Secondly, you claim that a grown man beat and then killed an innocent child. What you have missed in your non-pursuit of the truth is that there are ,at least, 3 eye witness accounts, who gave their statements the night of the tragedy, of the supposed child on top of and beating the supposed grown man. This supposed child was in fact 17 years old, 160+ lbs and over 6′ tall. This supposed child has a factual history of theft and drug dealing. Hardly and innocent individual.

        Innocence or guilt will be proven in a court of law for the supposed grown man. The main thing in question at this point is how and what led up to the supposed child beating the supposed grown man. There is no evidence to support that any of the actions by the supposed grown man were racially motivated.

        There is much, much more evidence, Ethel, that has been made public. Police reports, 911 audio and witness statements. Again, I ask you, please stop perpetuating the lies.

      • Vicki

        Ethel says:

        Those are the facts sir! There is nothing you or anyone else can say, that would make me agree to killing an innocent child!

        What if that “innocent” child (Acutally an athletic young adult) was sitting on your chest trying to beat your head in with a sidewalk? Would you really just lay there? If not would you be willing to accept that your defensive action might KILL the person even though your only real motive is to get their attack to stop?

        Hating someone who haven’t done anything to you,just because of their race is Racism!!!

        ——————————
        1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
        2: racial prejudice or discrimination
        —————————–

        You could probably communicate better if you used words with the correct meaning.

        Which is what this story is about at it’s core/foundation.

        The story (that story posted by Chip) is about MSMedia doctoring evidence that was then presented to the public in a blatant attempt to incite a particular group of people who are overly sensitive to how they perceive they are perceived. I.E. THEY are racist. (see 1 above)

        That is why, you see the anger and the disbelief that a lot of people have. That people’s hatred has gotten so bad that they would murder an innoncent child, just because he is black! Wow!

        Assumptions totally unsupported by current facts. The only safe source being the actual 911 transcript and the police report.

        I notice you keep talking about an athletic young adult as though he were a child (as was depicted in the MSMedia’s early attempts to prejudice the public against Mr Zimmerman.)

        I also notice that you keep stressing innocent in relation to a young adult who was bashing in the head of an older adult with a sidewalk.

        How can anyone honorable defend something like this? Shame on you!

        Honorable people do not keep calling a 6ft+ athletic young adult who is beating an older adult over the head with a sidewalk an “innocent child” and honorable people do NOT CARE what the race is of either of the people in the story. Though we do notice that certain less than honorable people keep focusing on the color of the skin of one of the 2 key people in this tragedy.

        By the way, black people aren’t your enemy.

        From this story by Chip it is pretty clear the MSMedia is the enemy.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Vicki :) You, like many others here, are such an asset to Personal Liberty Digest and it’s participants. Thanks!

      • Vicki

        @JeffH. Thanks. Now if I could just get my block quotes in the right places it would be easier to read what I write :)

    • libtard

      And Shame on you Ethyl for believing all that jitter jive the MSM is feeding you!
      You need to get a life and stop spreading your hatred around and your racist self
      really shows. I presume you believe that Zimmerman to be white! Look at his
      photos! That looks like a white to you? He looks like his name should be Gonzales
      or something Cuban! Regardless, your hatred shows by all that racist garbage
      you spew about. You hate whites so badly, If you were white, you’d hate yourself!

      • recce1

        What makes you think all Hispanics are not white? Is it anti-Hispanic bigotry? Like me, Zimmerman is a Heinz 57 Hispanic, although my full name is Spanish and I look more white European than he does.

        However, I agree with your point that the MSM tried to portray him as WASP. The MSM narrative was that an very young innocent small black child was stalked and gunned down by a white racist who had no business to be in the neighborhood for no apparent reason and that the police released the white racist without taking any evidence or questioning him. When more evidence came out they claimed there was no witnesses, no injuries to Zimmerman, and a tape existed that showed that Zimmerman made a racist statement, all of it not only incorrect, but all it it outright falsehoods.

      • Vicki

        recce1 writes:

        When more evidence came out they claimed there was no witnesses, no injuries to Zimmerman, and a tape existed that showed that Zimmerman made a racist statement, all of it not only incorrect, but all it it outright falsehoods.

        They knowingly edited the 911 tape to create the false impression that Mr Zimmerman had made 1 or more racist like statements. They may have edited the video to suppress evidence of injuries to Mr Zimmerman. They knowingly released photos of a young Mr Martin and an unflattering photo of Mr Zimmerman. The credibility of the MSMedia has been low for a long time but these actions on this case bring it to zero and may well be criminal misconduct.

    • recce1

      The fact that racist incidents happen often doesn’t prove that this was a racist incident. You seem to be saying that because a black was killed by a white it was racist, case closed. That attitude is racist.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        Mdbonjr
        You sir, is a liar , a perpetruator of hate and misinformation. Why are you doing this. Do you know Mr Zimmerman or are you paid? You stated Trayvon is a known drug dealer. Where did you get this information, do you have record of his arrest and conviction? You sir is committing defamation of character and if I was the parent of Trayvon I would sue you for all you are worth.Information was leaked from Trayvon’s school record to tarnish his character.This info had to do with an empty plastic bag found in his locker or bag which may have contained weed it was not conclusive.That does not constitute drug dealing if any thing it would have being drug use. It could have gotten in his bag in many ways , we do not know if someone at home used his bag. I know that iv’e borrowed and used family members school bag in my lifetime. If I had smoked weed , I could see where the empty receptacle could end up in there. Weed smoking I do not condone but it is almost a rite of passage among teenagers these days. This alone does not make them criminal to be hunted and killed.Some young people do experiment with weed but they go on to be lawyer, doctor president and even CEO’s like Steve Jacob who as a teenager experimented with drug. Don’t try to define Trayvon by the presence of an an empty receptacle that proves nothing of his character. I know you are looking for reason to exonerate Zimmerman but you will have to look else where. The racist cops tested Trayvon dead body for drugs he came back clean, lets hope they did the same for the murderer George who was probably hyped up on some hallucinogen or some paranoid inducing drug judging from his 911 call. Trayvon.was never caught dealing or committing a robbery something you alluded to discredit his good name. It was also leaked that Trayvon once had in his possession some women’s jewelry.It could have been intended for his mom or his girl friend that ‘s not you are anybody’s business that he had it. He was never charge for drug or stolen property . He has no police record. From what I can tell he was an athlete at some point , hardly the profile of someone with a lot of time on his hand. he was also reported to be well mannered and maintained an above average grade as a student. You chose not to reveal any of this as it did not fit in with your objective which was to paint a picture of Trayvon as a drug dealer and thief without any support. Your behavior is a despicable and beyond the pale.I hope you don’t have any kids as I shudder to ponder how you would react should he or she encounter The George of the world as trust me they are out there and a killer does not always discriminate on race its only a part of his sick psyche . Your day of reckoning is coming. I wonder how you sleep at night walking around with so much hatred in your heart. Release it and add years to your life. Find a god believing your to attend and pray for forgiveness. It may not be too late . May God have mercy on your soul as you sound beyond redemption.

        • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

          You Sir, sound like you are a product of the Liberal school system where they teach you that it is ok to say the 2+2=5 because you are trying. As to learning English so that you can read, understand and answer the question on employment applications with ease; you write like some poor illiterate slob who takes handouts the the Government and looks down you nose at those who are trying to make something of theirselves by working and earning a living.

          Go back to school and learn how to read and write properly so that when you write something people that read it can understand what you are trying to say.

      • mdbonjr

        Congratulations Delroy. You actually paid some attention and read something. The funny thing is, I pay more attention than you might think. First, let me start by saying I whole heartedly apologize for my statement of Trayvon being a drug dealer and a thief.

        Now, I hope you realize that my intentions were simply meant as a stumbling block which you sir, utterly tripped over. The difference between you and I is that I am capable and willing to accept my mistakes, and apologize for them. I am also willing to accept facts and abolish my ignorance. I knew when I made that statement that there was no evidence to support those claims. Unlike me, you used it to convict me and condemn my soul. Have I once done that to you? I have merely called you out on face value. Not once have you admitted you were even remotely wrong nor have you apologized. Instead you celebrated an opportunity that I presented to you and used it to go on a tirade. Have you even bothered to look at any of the other evidence available? Have you even recognized the fact that you are arguing statements that were presented by certain media outlets and those outlets have since retracted and admitted that they used falsified information. Have I once indicated that I believe Zimmerman is innocent? Have I, in any of my statements said that I believe he was right in what he did? Not once. The simple truth is, I don’t know, either way. It’s not for you nor myself to decide either. Yet you continue to relate this tragedy to race and promote lies.

        Again, I apologize for stating that Trayvon Martin was a drug dealer and a thief. There is no factual proof to support those claims. Now then Delroy, can you man up and admit that you might be mistaken?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Delroy Brown says:
        Mdbonjr You sir, is a liar , a perpetruator of hate and misinformation. Why are you doing this. Do you know Mr Zimmerman or are you paid?
        ___________________________________________
        Delroy, you are so full of it that your eyes are brown and on top of that, you are the liar here. Do you know Zimmerman? Do you know Trayvon Martin? Have you read the police report? Have you listened to the unedited 911 call Zimmerman made?

        All of your posts are emotionally based, baseless and without the entire facts. You’re a hypocrit Delroy, plain and simple…a hypocrit!

  • Coolinout

    There may be racism in America. There are still some backwater hicks that think that way, but let’s not try to fit it into every stinking situation that comes along. The large majority of us are past that but the race baters love to bring it up to make their money.

    • http://www.targetfocustraining.com/media/videos GrayStroke

      That is exactly the point and the left/progressive/utopians game plan is to push this game as if racism will and can be eradicated. But like roaches this is human nature and will never go away….be it back wood hick…inner city gang bangers what ever it will always be there but we do not contribute to the perpetual issue as the progressives do since it is their bread and butter…….that makes my point it time to push back on the race baiters and call them out and make them explain themselves as to what do they really mean and what point are they using….you see when it comes to pointing out facts all they have is name calling…..

      still waiting on the definition of a tea bagger and why tea party members are called that based on what merit……..crickets….chirp……chirp…..

      • recce1

        The term teabaggers as applied to Tea Party members was started by leftist Anderson Cooper because it was a derogatory term used to describe homosexuals who engaged in a certain form of conduct by dipping certain parts of their anatomy in other men’s mouths. This was despite the fact that Cooper is homosexual.

        Cooper wanted, needed, to demonize the term “Tea Bag” as applied to Tea Party members as some members had carried and displayed tea bags as a symbol of their protests.

        Like all too many liberals, Anderson is fixated on certain bodily parts and functions. It goers to show that all too many of them never grew up.

    • recce1

      You must remember that most black activists believe in Prof. Leonard Jeffries’, City College of New York, teachings that blacks are incapable of being racist and that in fact by definition only whites are. As a matter of fact, Dr. Jeffries posited that to be white is to be racist. Not long ago Al Sharpton confirmed he believed that on the O’Reilly show.

      • Vicki

        recce1 says:

        You must remember that most black activists believe in Prof. Leonard Jeffries’, City College of New York, teachings that blacks are incapable of being racist and that in fact by definition only whites are. As a matter of fact, Dr. Jeffries posited that to be white is to be racist. Not long ago Al Sharpton confirmed he believed that on the O’Reilly show.

        What is truly sad for Mr Jeffries and Mr Sharpton is that they prove they are racist by that very claim. Looking at the actual definition of racism we see that to claim one race is superior because they can NOT be racist is a racist claim. To claim that another race has to be racist (and therefor inferior) is a racist claim.
        —————————————————-
        1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
        —————————————————

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        Blacks can be racist but they learn it from their master who practiced it on them for 300 years. Racist is only effective when you are the ruling class and it become institutionalized as and is legalized and thus have an effect on those in subjugation. white as always being the ruling class in america and was never at anytime under the subjugation and tyranny of black discrimination, whites were never ostracized from jobs, housing and access to education. You were never denied access to medical service and the use of services because of your race based on legally mandated Jim Crow law. Blacks may harbor latent resentment and hatred because of past and current injustices but it does not affect your upward mobility and opportunity for self realization since we do not wield power in this country, White racism does all this to black because it is and was legally entrenched . Don’ t get it twisted.or feel sorry for yourself. Black hatred won’t cause you to lose your job or gain access to any social club or gated community. Your guilt and the burden of your sin is for worse than any perceive racism you may feel directed at you. Its just you projecting your own feeling on others who have little or no power. This in your weak mind makes you feel better as you rationalize your guilty feeling of the racism , bigotry and hatred you practice. You need prayer. Go find Jesus , you all claim to be christian but don’t know God. God is love , There is no hate in him. He that know and love God is incapable of hate..

        • norepsordems

          Yo delroy…you need to get a grip dude….while you spout all this damn sh– about getting god and saved for sins and all this sh–…..if you were truly a christian….you know…it says…..he who is without sin…throw the fist stone….and …gudge not least ye be judged…..and people wonder why there are problems….the past is the past dude…and as long as you keep bringing it up….you will continue the cycle…….and while you are at it…..and listen to this closely…I DO NOT CONDONE SLAVERY OR RACISM……but if you go all the way back…to begin with…the African kings….sold their own people into slavery untill the EUROPEANS…we are talking, white, tan and otherwise…..this is why it was called the slave trade….people traded goods for people….went and sold those said people….bought more people to sell…so on and so forth…..then they .said to hell with buying slaves and started capturing people from Africa….took out the middle man the Kings that sold their own people….read your history….and you…stop being RACIST…from your post …you can tell you are a racist towards white people…and always will be…..and as far as you spouting off about a white man never being told he could not advance or even get a job because he was a whit man…again you show how uneducated you are on so many levels….ever heard of afirmitive action….they were laws passed that required employers to hire a speciific amount of minorites and to promote a specific amount of minorites……so don’t think that white people have never been discriminated for the color of their skin….because they have…….I bet you are such a racist that you call yourself an African American….that in is self is a racist terminoligy….personaly I hate it…we are all AMERICANS….if you were born here…you are an American…nothing more…nothing less….if you want to beleive in the bible….we are all brothers and came from Adam and Eve…….means we are all the same….HUMANS…..nothing more…nothing less……so why don’t you take a chill pill and enjoy the sermon tomorrow……

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

            I know about the Blacks selling each other to the European , that does not make it right because we had a constitution which you guys love to point to, therefore they were violating it. Most important American claim to be the land of the free and a christian nation. They were the ones went looking for slaves just like rich business men go to third world countries and buy children from desperately hungry parent for sex. Does that absolve the business man. I don’t believe in so call reverse discrimination , it does not exist. Affirmative action does grant equal access to blacks and other minorities who were excluded, regardless of qualification. Often time a minority selected over a white often has to exceed expectation and qualification, he has to be twice as good and is paid half as much and has limited upward mobility. Get over it.

          • norepsordems

            I am over it and you Delroy…I point out facts…you throw them aside…I never said it was right what they did….all I said was…you blamed the white man….why not put some of the blame on the black man that sold his brothers into slavery….one of the highest…and worst stats. right now…is black on black crime….burt I guess the white man holds a gun to their head so they will do that , right….and your lameness for your thoughts on Afermitive action….don’t fly in anybodies book….so keep on with your propaganda ….and people will ignore you……if you look at all of my post about what happened….I have repeated it….I don’t think it was self defense for many reasons….but what I do say is this….a honicide was commited…..let the courts decide if it was justifiable or not….and if it wasn’t …then Zimmerman will be sentenced acordingly….it is wrong for anyone to be tried by public opinion……

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

            Jesus, D Brown, you are one stupid moron. The more people try to educate you on the facts of how slavery came about the more you stick your head in the sand.
            Slavery is still going on to this day in certain countries in Africa: Blacks being sold into bondage by their own families.Whites being sold into bondage/slavery because of their hair and eye color (Blonde and Blue eyed). In some countries you could be sold into slavery just because your family may owe someone money or you can be married off to another family just because you are a female, you may even be 12 years old and not worth much anyways and your father wants to get more power by having you married to a man, he can be in his 50 or older, who has a lot of power; so now your family has better statis and power.

            I DO NOT CONDON SLAVERY OR BONDAGE IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM!!!!!!

            As to being mixed blood, Native American (Lakota Souix and Iroqois Indian) and European (German, Dutch, Scotish, Irish and English). If you look at your history if you can read you will find out the the Irish were mistreated by the English because of their beliefs. Oh, there are more examples of mistreatment that my ancesters had to suffer but there is not enough room
            Now if you look at history of how the Native Americans: Our land, which was sacrid to us, was stolen from us just because some white man found gold, our women were raped and murdered, we were poisoned with contaminated blankets (small pox: a whiteman’s sickness), our food was poisoned through spoilaged and insect infestation. There is not enough room here to list all the attrosities that the whiteman (which included Blacks, Hispanics) participated in against our noble race, they are still doing it today in some places.
            As i said in my earlier post I don’t look at a man’s color, I judge a man through his action and ability to do the job for which he is being asked to perform.
            As to being discriminated against will, D. Brown, I have been. I was refused work because of my service in Vietnam. The individual stated flat out that he didn’t hire people like me and when asked why. He stated that I was either an Addict or Killer and therefore wasn’t about to work for him.
            Well, Brown, I am neither an addict, I take Perscription Medication for my Service-connected Disabilities or a killer, oh sure if someone was trying to injure one of my kids you better believe I would take appropiate action.

      • DaveH

        You’re one sick puppy, Delroy.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA

    “He that displays too often his wife and his wallet is in danger of having both of them borrowed” Benjamin Franklin quote……… I liked that quote so much I thought i’d show you an example as why the muslims want their women to wear Burkas…and i;m thinking its a very good idea…and maybe many of you jealous boyfriends and husbands should consider the Muslim idea as a very beneficial one…as implied by Benjamin Franklyn…so many years ago….i raised this issue in this forum because it has become obvious in these forums that some debaters use the Muslim ‘invasion’ as a reason to hate anything muslim and not Christian or Athiest. just food for thought. Just sometimes it might be an idea to examine why the muslims do what they do? Question them sure then see how could your lifestyle be benefitted by not drinking alcohol perhaps as an example. before you mouth off racist BS.

    • mdbonjr

      That’s why we have the 2nd amendment. Try to borrow my wife, she’ll take care of it herself.

      • libtard

        Nice one! and we have the heebie bankers to secure our wallets:-)

  • Carl Babcock

    Obummer, the most DIVISIVE President in history, has once again (like he did with the police in Massachusetts) concluded that whitey (or in this case hispanicy) is wrong and blackie is right.
    When is the US Justice Dept. going after the Black Panthers (who are out of control)?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      I see no reason to go after the Black Panther they are exercising there 1st amendment right you constiutionalist like to tote. It is this right which allows you to be disrespectful to the president and spout your racist hatred. Zimmerman deserve everything he’s got coming and he will get his if not in this life then the next. His end wont be pretty. Any one with blood on their hand has to be a psychopath to sleep well at night. That thirst to kill once you have done it and get away with it never goes away, either he gets somebody else , hopefully you or your family or somebody gets him. he his a sadist with a thirst to hunt and kill other human being , you are two of a kind,

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Delroy says “I see no reason to go after the(New)Black Panther…

        The New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of George Zimmerman without a government-issued warrant and you see no reason to go after them?

        Delroy goes on to say “Zimmerman deserve everything he’s got coming and he will get his if not in this life then the next. His end wont be pretty. Any one with blood on their hand has to be a psychopath to sleep well at night. That thirst to kill once you have done it and get away with it never goes away, either he gets somebody else , hopefully you or your family or somebody gets him. he his a sadist with a thirst to hunt and kill other human being , you are two of a k

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Delroy says “Zimmerman deserve everything he’s got coming and he will get his if not in this life then the next. His end wont be pretty. Any one with blood on their hand has to be a psychopath to sleep well at night. That thirst to kill once you have done it and get away with it never goes away, either he gets somebody else , hopefully you or your family or somebody gets him. he his a sadist with a thirst to hunt and kill other human being…”

        Delroy you are one very sick man and seem to know an awful lot about “the thirst” of a killer.

        You’re one sick puppy and really should consider having yourself committed for phychologiacal evaluation.

  • BigBadJohn

    Don’t you folks realize that Chip just bringing this up creates more racial friction – it as if CHIP is trying to foment a race war!

    As the last subject of MSM racial agitation said – “Why can’t we all just get along”

    • Vicki

      Chip is making the accurate observation that the MSMedia has intentionally distorted facts of the case in a blatant attempt to create friction between 2 groups of people. That liberals focus on the race of the individuals instead of the point of the article (the deliberate distortion of the news) is not Chip’s fault.

    • mdbonjr

      BBJ, this type of thought and rationalization is the very reason this and any other LSM reported tragedy becomes overblown and out of control. For far too long, law abiding citizens have kept quiet. We’ve kept our opinions to ourselves, turned a blind eye to attrocities and allowed the LSM and others to paint distorted pictures and condemn us. Why would we do this? All in the name of your line of thinking. The hope that we could maintain peace.

      An overwhelming amount of law abiding citizens are beginning to realize that it doesn’t work. The more we try to be civil and maintain peace, the more we are subjected to the ill intentions of others. If, by voicing our opinions, disharmony arises, then so be it. The plain and simple truth is, we’re fed up. Enough is enough.

      We’re not allowed to express our feelings for fear that it might cause disagreements and disharmony? The light of truth is not always pleasant for some. I see that light growing brighter and brighter each and every day. Yes, there’s going to be an unmeasureable amount of disharmony because no, we can’t all get along. There are those in our society that are not willing to allow it. That is the reality but, I for one, will no longer keep quiet because of it.

  • ranger hall

    Coolingout: i take it you might have been in Afganistan or Iraq, Only people i know use the term 800-1000 may have been in these places.
    But you do make a lot of good comments.
    Most of these people on here have no idea what goes on in this Country or The World, They just flap their Jaws, hoing someone will respond. Flashy is a good sample.
    OH and for some of you out there an arrest does not mean you are going to be charged.
    Look at all the facts before you kick the chair out.
    I kind of liked the post myself

  • recce1

    The Left will be satisfied with nothing less than a lynching. Let’s remember, not only was Sharpton responsible for the Brawley affair, in which he lost a libel lawsuit but has never paid up on, he also was behind the Brooklyn Heights race riots that got a young Jewish man murdered.

  • Mike

    I’m really am about over this whole deal! I find no reason to turn something like this into a “race war”! Yes, it was a horrible incident to lose a life BUT, lets look at things from the begining. I have been in Security for over thirty years, Obviously, there had been problems at that location to have a crime watch member patroling and area. Perhaps the person the man was staying with should have made him more aware of his surroundings! Secondly, why was a picture shown of the man as a youngster? His “facebook” photo was more his natural look! I was raised most of my life in the North. My “Best Friend” for over 40 years is Puerto Rican, we were never prejudise when growing up! We played Basketball with Blacks, Puerto Ricans and White boys! The only prejudise we had was wether you could play ball, NOT your color! When I moved to Florida 11 years ago and got involved with security at a gated community, I found out what racism was all about! It is UGLY!! While on a post that is gated I had been approached numerous times with someone just pulling up top the “main” gate and TOLD to just open it up so the individual could continue on to the property! When I would ask the gentleman for an address and his name, the comment I would get in return was “THE ONLY REASON YOU’RE ASKING ME IS BECAUSE I’M BLACK! My first responce was to explain my job duties, my second responce was I didn’t know he was BLACK……I’m COLOR BLIND! In the begining this really bothered me. I spoke to a GOOD friend of mine that just happened to be black and after I told him about the situation he explained to me that “I” didn’t have a problem…The Young Black man had issues! HOW LONG will the African americans continue using the “RACE CARD”? I never owned a SLAVE and would never have wanted to! I can’t even recall ANY of my family EVER owning a slave SO, why blame me OR throw the race card at me? ALSO, I understand the young mans Mother would be upset BUT, why would she make a comment about “THEY” Killed my Son” Now “THEY” want to remove his memory! WHAT “they”? ONE man took her Sons life! I JUST DON’T GET IT!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      You are full of it , no one is color blind . We all observe the differences in each others. Depending on how you were brought up and schooled at home you may have been taught to respect and treat each other as you would want to be treated or if you have racist parent you were taught to distrust , hate and be wary of those who are different, it could be race , religion , sexual orientation or national origin. Once it becomes indoctrinated , its a part of your character its hard to let go. You can always tell a racist, as soon as they start to list their friends from different races like people are trophy collection. If you are normal you don’t even think in those terms. Let other people appraise you, you should not have to list your virtue. Your action and character should be enough. Others will know , you should not have to get up here and spout it. That is all I have to say.

      • mdbonjr

        I am praying for you Delroy.

      • Mike

        Mr. Brown, I really wasn’t even going to bother answering you because you seem to like putting words in peoples mouth! At this point, I believe my friend said it best with the following statement…It’s not YOU Mike, It’s THEM, THEY have a PROBLEM!

        Get over it dude, there is good and bad in ANY race!

  • AurelioJose

    As President Obama can’t run on his record, he had to run on something, and race war, class warfare are the only weapons left in his ideological arsenal.
    By checking the Washington Post blogs, where a majority of all comments are anti-Obama, I’m inclined to believe that this November Obama’s defeat is going to break all records.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      Who you gonna replacing him with, a guy who launder his money in off shore accounts to avoid paying taxes while paying 14% on the declared amount where as everyone else pay 25% on average. A guy with no moral conviction who holds at least two view on every issue and deny is signature achievement as a governor in order to appeal to to hard right and gain the republican nomination. Google Romney’s position from 2006 until now. He said he is not a conservative but an independent moderate different than the rest of his party but now he is a hard nose conservative. Santorum is a religious fanatic who make Iran religious leader look moderate and Gingrich is a space cadet. take your pick.

      • mdbonjr

        I am going to be praying for you Delroy.

  • UWorlds1

    If I received the injuries Zimmerman said he got the first place I would go is to the hospital. He never went.

    • mdbonjr

      You are either willfully ignorant or outright lying. The truth is readily available and most of us now know it. Your efforts are fruitless. Enjoy being a lemming.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      UWorlds1, what does that prove? That Zimmerman is guilty? That Zimmerman and the Sanford PD fabricated the injuries?
      Who cares what you would have done, you weren’t there and you didn’t recieve a head and nose injury. Quit speculating and allow the Florida Attorney General to finish their investigation and determine whether charges should or should not be filed against Zimmerman.

  • Charliep

    I got snared by MSM when this story first hit the Net, and I swallowed their hook, line and sinker up yo the hilt. I am really ashamed of myself for being taken in by the Medea the way I did because I let their reporting sway me into thinking this was racial hate crime by Zimmerman by their (Medea) cooked reporting. They showed picture (mug shot in prison orange) of ZIMMERMAN who supposedly out weighed TRAYVON MARTIN by over 100 lbs, and a picture of TRAYVON MARTIN supposedly as a 17 year old who looked more like a 12 or 13 year old Alter Boy. Medea made it sound like ZIMMERMAN was a racist when Zimmerman commented that these people always get away, and that Zimmerman actually assaulted Trayvon. We still don’t really know what happened, but it is quite obviously not what the Medea led us to believe, and it appears that this could erupt into riots similar to what happened in WATTS because of how it has been fueled by the MEDEA. If this does develop into racial riots that cost loss of life and millions in damages, then the Media and Politicians such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson along with those offering rewards for Zimmerman should be prosecuted for fueling a riot.

  • Janet

    I sent Cnn and Fox News a forwarded message about a Tyrone Dale David Woodfork and what he did and absolutely no response.

    Imagine that!!

    In Oklahoma last Tuesday, Bob and Nancy Strait, who had been married for 65 years, had their home broken into by a black teenager (Tyrone Woodfork) unarmed except for a BB gun. The teenager raped and then beat the 85 year old Nancy Strait to death. Her husband, a veteran of the 101st Airborne in WW2, is in the hospital struggling to make it.

    There will be no million hoodie march for Bob and Nancy, two mere white Americans. Their killer will have pro bono lawyers and innocence projects helping him until he’s finally set free again.

    Certainly Obama will make no statement on how Nancy Strait could have been his grandmother or how Bob Strait could have been that uncle who “liberated Auschwitz “.

    Bob and Nancy Strait won’t get the screeching coverage that Trayvon Martin got about white racism because an Hispanic neighborhood watch captain shot a black teenager.

    In fact isn’t it sad that you will only find this story in a UK newspaper?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html

  • TML

    Hmm… it seems NBC just fired their producer for making that edit to the 911 tape

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/08/MNIP1O0B4O.DTL

  • JimH

    Everyone have a Happy Easter.

  • pnp

    Zimmerman was treated at the scene by paramedics. This would by necessity include cleaning up the wounds. Remember the media savaging the Duke Le Cross players a few years back – with the help of the usual suspects. And don’t forget Tawana Brawley and the role Rev. Al Sharpton played in that little fiasco. The Rev. and her two lawyers lost a defamation suite over that one. What am I saying: Don’t jump to conclusions and don’t be forced into jumping too conclusions. If you arrest the guy and you have no charges he walks. If you arrest him and bring false charges he walks and somebody may have to pay a lot. Let’s do it right. I knew a man in my area who killed his wife. He wasn’t arrested until one year later when the prosecutor had an airtight case. This man will never walk out of prison. The wheels of justice may appear to turn slowly, but they do continue to turn.

    • absolutely amazed

      You are absolutely right – get all the facts, and then proceed further. But get the facts, and they were not gotten at the time of the killing or in the days just after. that wasn’t justice properly pursued.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000440949257 Vanessa Callahan

    Wow, you rant on about the “misinformation” of the MSM and then you write an article full of it, misinformation that is, among some racism. Wow, sexism and racism is alive and well and living with Ron Paul supporters. And NO, I’m blonde and blue eyed and I’ve seen the racism for myself, funny if you keep your eyes open you will see it too.

    • mdbonjr

      WOW!!! Your post is entirely irrelevant. There is plenty of facts to support Chip’s article. Where are the facts to support your claims. I don’t deny that sexism and racism do exist nor do I condone either. The rest of your claims are however, baseless.

  • John Taurus

    The media is an arm of our government. The media is used by the government to set public opinion. The next question to ask is, “Why does our government want Blacks and Hispanics to attack and murder Whites?” Certainly our government has declared war on Whites by promoting agitation of “minorities” in order to get them to attack White people. Whites need to wake up to the fact that our very own government is promoting Black attacks on White people with these biased stories being promoted as “Honest” news.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      You are a sick racist , with blood foaming from your mouth. Zimmerman dont belong in jail, he deserve the electric chair and it would give me pleasure to pull the switch. You belong in an Asylum as you are one loony racist who has lost your grip on reasoning and reality.You are an hopeless racist , probably belong to the KKK or some Neo Nazi outfit.

      • Vic

        Whatever leftist racist is blaming other people to, is only related to him, it is his sick consciousness trying to deflect the necessity to accept how bad he is by baselessly transgressing his own sins onto others.

        Yes, Delroy, it is you who’s sick racist with foam and everything you’ve just so colrfully depicted. Live with it.

        • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

          Vic, Brown. is one illiterate jerk. In all my 65 years I’ve ran into alot of them and I have found out that they are vertually imposible to teach them anything. They are what you would call sheeple, the ones that can’t think for themselves. So, Vic, feel sorry for him and pray that he wakes up before its too late.

          MAY GOD BLESS THE US OF A and MAY SHE REIGN FOREVER!

          • Vic

            Amen to that, my friend.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

            For your info my opinions are based on analytical facts which are my own. My opinions are not based on ideology, politics and racist talking points. i am educated and hold a bachelors and an associate degree with better than a B average from a prestigious scholl. you are the illiterate.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

            Brown, you say that you are an educated person Well, BS and AA must have been in basket weaving because you can’t even spell correctly. It SCHOOL no scholl.
            Oh, yeah, your instructors must have enjoyed having you and people like you in their class where they shove their wacky ideas down your throat without any fear of them being asked any hard question. I’m sure glad I didn’t attend that SCHOOL because they would not have enjoyed it when I started asking them to explain or clearify their statements.

          • Vic

            Delroy, you’re terrible even as impostor artist. Bachelor? C’mon! Giving you the benefit of a doubt I’d say you’re high school dropout, albeit it looks more like middle school dropout to me. Otherwise you’d now that “political correctness” as well as “analytical facts” do exist only in nairaland, not in reality.

      • http://personalliberty.com temarie

        The Trayvon tragedy is just that, a tragedy. Racism has never gone away and never will. Whether one is black, white, hispanic, asian or hindi, makes absolutely no difference to me. Talk about racism; check the history of the jewish people or the american indian. The blacks were sold by their own tribal chiefs into slavery and the first black man was
        brought to the US by dutch ships and sold because they didn’t have enough provisions to get home. NO MAN, WOMAN OR CHILD should ever be ruthlessly murdered, abused, made a slave or discriminated against. Trayvon deserves justice. A few years ago, on BET, there was a show that stated that more blacks are murdered by blacks than other races. The black panthers with sticks outside of Acorn voting places, what about that racism? Or the beer summit between a “white” police officer and a “black” professor! Why not a policeman and a professor? Because that would prevent anyone being able to scream “RACISM”
        Why do citizens from other countries come here, and in many cases, deteriorate their areas to look like slums; one would think if you come here to escape from the poor conditions you lived in, why do that? This country was made great by many different peoples; man, woman, child, native indians, irish, scotts, blacks, welsh, brits, french and the list goes on. I am American Indian and Black Irish, raised by a GMom, Indian and a step GPA, a scottsman with a 40 yrs. service to our country, career miltary man. The aliens come here & get welfare, food stamps and medicaid, business loans, educational assistance and subsidized housing, in an effort to help them reach the american dream.
        But we get 9-11 organizers, border jumpers, bombers and the list goes on. I worked in subsidized housing for over 10 yrs., and on many bad housing projects, you would be amazed at the prejudice/racism, against caucasians! Not a single ethnicity is exempt from it, we all get a share committed against us and in many cases we give a share somewhere along the way. Projects have 3-5 genertions that live in projects,many due to a reward for have become illegitamate parents for babies. There is no such thing as an illegitament babies; just illegitament parents! Rewarding immorality with benefits that hardworking people provide, whether for legals in need or illegals. The children in many cases do not stand a chance. I have seen mothers pimp out their 12yr. daughters to get her pregnant and increase the household income, women and men selling their food stamps to be able to buy drugs and alcohol, keep elementary children home from school to work for the local drug dealer and the list goes on. I shed many tears over the children & elderly.
        We live in a country and society that kills it’s unborn, rape, steal, murder, abuse elderly and children, wives, lie, and abuse animals, so does anyone think racism is going away?!!
        We have removed God from every facet of life and we have a government that have forsaken God and to that degree we have the violence, abuse, dishonesty, immorality, murder, abandonment and forsaken children. Yes what happened to Trayvon is horrible and I grieve for his family but, things like this happen everywhere and honestly speaking, if he was any other race, would it have received the same amount of coverage?
        mummi

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

          If Trayvon was a different race he would have gotten as much coverage as the Casey Anthony or JonBenet Ramsey cases had received. Your talking point speaks volume as to who and what you represent. Its useless addressing people such as your self , Your education , intelligence and knowledge of why things are the way they are is sorely lacking. I wont waste my time trying to school you. Glenn beck. Rush Limbaugh, Shaun Hannity and Fox have taught you well. I am afraid you cant be reached.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        the only thing the little ones you mention and this young adult have in common is that they were all human beings. The little ones had no chance whatsoever. We don’t know what happened here, only ASSUMPTIONS.

  • Dad

    I think Zimmerman has found his defense money source… hire an ambulance chaser, you know, the type that would sucker punch a cripple, and sue the ever-lovin stuffing out of them… absolute liable.
    Why does anyone buy papers or watch network TV? Boycott these commie racists… step on their air hose and they will notice.

  • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

    You do realize that had Trayvon had a gun and had he shot Zimmerman he would be justified in invoking the new stupid Stand Your Ground and Shoot First Law. Afterall Zimmerman was the stalker.

    Soldiers and Police officers can’t do what Zimmerman did. This law has resulted in a rise of the murder rate in the states that have implemented this.

    Arizona 2006 .134% .265%
    Florida 2005 .046% .218%
    Georgia 2006 .066% .227%
    Indiana 2006 .048% .2%
    Kansas 2006 .036% .105%
    Kentucky 2006 .024% .161%
    Louisiana 2006 .222% .264%
    Michigan 2006 .020% .162%
    Mississip 2006 .034% .034%
    Montana 2009 0% 0%
    Oklaho 2006 .057% .160%
    SC 2006 .094% .151%
    SD 2006 0% .122%
    TN 2007 .230% .409%
    Texas 2007 .141% .198%

    Some of you like to blame George Soros for everything but it’s not him funding stupidity like this it’s Right Wing Billionaires like the Koch Brothers and The Gates along with Coke, McDonalds, Kraft, Walmart and many others who are funding ALEC and then the Republican politicians are lazily passing these canned laws. This was predictable.

    • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

      I don’t think so if Mr. Martin had had a gun and had been shot there still would have been a call for whom ever had shot him just as they are calling for Mr Zimmerman. Oh, yeah, that joker from the newspaper, can’t remember which one, that called Mr. Zimmerman a white hispanic. What a joke, which is it, is Mr. Zimmerman a White person (there ain’t no such thing) or a hispanic?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        Hispanic refers to culture, not race. Hispanic comes in all races, Black, White , Indian or mixed. Don’t get it twisted. Visit Cuba and you will find all the aforementioned. Ditto, Panama, Dominican Republic and Honduras.. You have all races in each countries. Needless to say I could go on listing several more countries where the same case applies. Its not like China , Japan or India where we mostly have a homogeneous population and culture

        • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

          Brown, according to your logic I must be a white Indian, which I am not.
          Even though I am of mixed heritage: Europian and American Indian (Lakota Souix and Iroquis) I am an American first and foremost and damn proud to be one.
          I served this Great Country for most of my adult life and would do so again if asked; however I hope that if I do I am on the side that defends the Constitution because the Oath which follows:

          “I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

          However, when in Basic Training I also learned that there are times that I can and should disobey any orders that are deemed unlawful and illigal. Orders like taking up arms against unarmed Civilians or trying to take the weapons away from those that are legally owned.

          Sir, from all your writing I have come to the conclusion the you must belong to one of those idiotic groups that want a race war, so that you can have your own country where everyone in it look exactly like you and behave just like you. Well, Sir, no thank you I like it just the way it is, even though it is messed up in many ways it is still one of the Greatest Countries in the world.

  • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

    Now that most of the facts have finally come out, I think it’s fair at this point to say that Zimmerman was justified in shooting Martin. It is unfortunate that someone was shot, and that someone died. It is also unfortunate that both individuals did something foolish that led to the incident. However, Zimmerman behaved appropriately. The most basic facts anyone needs to know are these:

    1. Zimmerman was assaulted, as evidenced by a broken nose, the back of his head cracked open, and his jacket both wet and covered in grass.

    2. Eye-witness accounts from other 911 calls clearly describe Martin as being on top and being the aggressor.

    3. Zimmerman was armed and wrestling with an attacker, which put his life in jeopardy since the attacker could have grabbed his gun. Even the police are required to take a training class in how to prevent their firearm from being taken in a struggle and used against them.

    Without any unnecessary consideration of extenuating circumstances that might have led up to the altercation, these three facts alone are enough to determine that Zimmerman had ample reason to believe his life was potentially in jeopardy. That makes the shooting justified, however unfortunate it was.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      Given what we know , a police officer in most state would have probably being charged, if he stalked an shot to death an unharmed and innocent teen without probably cause. Its not a stretch to say charge is not a policeman. The closest from what I have gathered George came to being a policeman is his assault on a officer. A black man who commit a similar offence in Florida would be serving life in jail or six feet under.

  • mdbonjr

    Zimmerman is in custody and is being charged with 2nd degree murder. Now, can we all put the speculation and arguments aside and wait to see what the court decides? Hopefully this won’t drag out for too long. I just want to see an end to this.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      Amen

    • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

      What you mean to say is that the judicial authority finally bent under the pressure of the mob. They shouldn’t have done that. The shooting, however unfortunate, was legal and justified. The physical evidence shows that Zimmerman was attacked. Giving in to this mob justice is doing nothing more than setting the precedent that if you want revenge, just whip up a mob.

      • mdbonjr

        I can’t agree nor disagree with your statement Alex. Regardless of their reasons, those in charge of the investigation have decided to take this course. It serves no purpose for us to continue to speculate at this point. I am however, anxiously awaiting a verdict regardless of what that verdict might be.

        • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

          This is to both of you, Alex and mdbonjr, do you guys think that Zimmerman will get a fair trial, I don’t?
          Where are you going to get an impartial jury, 1) I mean one that is not afraid of the consiquence: If they should happen to find him innocent; or 2) even find a prospective jurist that hasn’t already made up his/her mind. I can see an appeal in the making; or even the the Feds under Mr. “Fast and Furious” Holder stepping in if the verdict goes against what they already consider a done deal.

      • mdbonjr

        History does support your claim and reasoning for being a skeptic John. I’m sure we will hear all the evidence being used during the trial. At that point, hopefully having all the facts, we can then defend or convict in the public. Until that point, I just hope that everyone calms down and let justice do as it will. I for one will pray that the light of truth shine on this situation, what ever that truth may be.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        You are full of it. What evidence do you have that Zimmerman was attacked besides his own word. We know he was stalking Trayvon and was told by the cops, we do not need you to do that., We can only deduce from what transpired that Trayvon was doing what any American including yourself if you are any kind of a man would do, and that is stand your ground. Now that we have an arrest we shall soon have the evidence yielded from gun powder residues, ballistic test, and forensic Voice analysis. These along with eyewitness accounts will tell us more than we now know. I prefer to wait on that rather than take you and Georgy boy’s word. The only facts we know for sure is that this guy has a history of calling 911 every time he sees a black male and stalked and shot a young kid he knew was unharmed . He is a psychopathic killer who must be caged to protect society. The life we save could one day be your own with this killer off the street.

  • simian pete

    Q: Does the mainstream media want a “race” war ?
    A: Yes.

    It’s all about the ratings, baby !!! HA HA HA HA !!

  • old hillbilly

    Did we forgorget?:::

    “NO PERSON SHALL BE HELD TO ANSWER FOR A CAPITAL, OR OTHERWISE INFAMOUS CRIME, UNLESS ON A PRESENTMENT OR INDICTMENT OF A GRAND JURY…” AMENDMENT 5!

    Zimmerman was charged with 2nd degree murder by the Fla. DA, who made the comment on TV that she didn’t need a grand jury indictment! That violation makes this a multi-million dollar defense against the federal DOJ, FBI, Congress, the state of Fla., ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, NAACP, Panthers, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton… ad infinitum… way beyond the capability of any US citizen. He has been convicted in the national public forum by mobs, media, and government without due process. He has a bounty is on his head! None of the above are being held accountable! We are in a state of chaotic madness!

    A grand jury in that area was meeting this week or next (TV statements!), and the DA pointedly (on TV) stated she did not intend to present the case to the grand jury. As a DA she is sworn to uphold the Constitution. Her acts are in direct contempt of the Constitution.

    Article 4 “probable cause supported by oath or affirmation” – but it doesn’t matter if the Constitution doesn’t exist in Fla. If there is reasonable cause, present it to a grand jury & set the due process wheels in motion But first, arrest those who have obstructed justice and have agitated conditions of insurrection and riot.. especially the media corporations and their spokepersons..

    If Zimmerman is judged innocent by a jury, let all of his false accusers and prosecutors receive the punishment they laid at his feet and force them to pay triple his cost of losses! Old common law punishment would be more severe!

  • old hillbilly

    If an impartial grand jury finds “there is no probable cause”, there is no trial, no unnecessary prosecution costs, no lawyer costs for the wrongfully accused, and NO INJUSTICE!

    Bypassing the Constitution will financially and emotionally crucify Zimmerman by the time this trial ends- – innocent or guilty! All of the idiots involved in mob justice have conspired to deny Zimmer’s Constitutional Rights – very, very frightening in these times of anarchy and loss of freedom! If a mob rush to justice backfires, the cost and penalty must be laid at the trespassers’ feet – which can and should happen with Civil Rights violations – black or white!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      You are so worried about Zimmerman’s constitutional right. When are you going to start talking about Trayvon’s constitution right. He was not some illegal alien . He too had rights under the constitution or doesn’t the constitution in your world applies to Black Americans.

  • America

    Chip Wood, only idiots with guns want to start race wars. A kid is dead. The killer half-Hispanic, the victim black, so who’s starting what?

    • Vic

      Idiots could be with or without guns, same thing. Those who edited the tapes and published falsified account definitely want to start race war.

    • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

      America, who ever you are, you are the idiot. I own weapons and I damn sure don’t want a RACE WAR because which side will I belong to? I’m of mixed heritage (European and Native American then you and in my children’s lineage (Half Japanese); in otherwords idiot we’re pure American.

      THE REASON I HAVE ANY WEAPONS IN THE FIRST PLACE IS 1) PROTECT WHAT IS MINE FROM FOOLS THAT ARE TOO LAZY TO GET A JOB AND EARN IT AND 2) TO DO WHAT MY FOREFATHERS DID INCASE OF AN EMERGENCY: “””HUNT FOR IT!”””

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        You sure take the cake when it come to absurdity. How dare you characterize people who don’t have a job as being lazy. Most of the jobs have been outsourced and even people like myself with bachelor’s degree in Engineering cant find a job in our field and must resort
        to other fields where we are under employed. The under employed are the lucky ones as I know people who through no fault of their own have been displaced and have a hard time finding new job. We very rarely have had full employment. Stop talking about your heritage which has little do to with the death of an innocent child. Nobody wants to take your gun we just want those who use them to commit murder to answer for it.

        • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

          Brown, as far as I can figure out there was no innocent child killed. He was a 17 year old boy who should not have been out at that time of night and wandering aroung in a Gated Community. Gated Community which is to say that after hours we want to be left alone so stay out.

          So you have a BS in Engineering in todays standard that is to say you have a High School Degree. So what you need is to go back to school and get your Master’s Degree to be more competetive after you’ve done that you may be able to get a job working with an Engineer as his assistant. That means at the lowest level, in Govenment that would be a GS-1. In civilian labor force that would be a Gopher where you can get the experience to advance in you choosen field. You can’t expect to start out earning $30.00 per hour when you don’t have the knowledge gained through hands-on experience. You need to learn how to put your book knowledge into practice.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

            You have all the answers. What world do you live in. Lets get real for a second, sometimes I don’t think you are serious, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you say the things you do to provoke a controversial response. Now Trayvon, is seventeen years old granted he is tall,for his age, but most american kids today are tall. Last time I check, at seventeen years old you are considered a minor. You cannot vote, you cannot buy beer or cigarette, you cannot be drafted and you cannot consent to sex. People with your narrow world view always reach for the exception , so expect I fully expect you to find an example of an under age kid living on his own as an adult to justify your warped way of thinking. Yes in your cold world children are forced to grow up fast and fend for themselves. Finally Mr Martin was not a wandering stranger trolling the neighborhood at night. He was staying with family in that gated community and was killed less than 100 yards from his door. He went to the store at 7pm in the evening to get candy and soda for is brother, What give you the right to deem that illegal or a disturbance of the peace. The more you talk the more you reveal yourself for the narrow minded bigot you are.The attitude you take toward the freedom of Blacks to walk where ever they may are the very attitude and values shared by the KKK , the Neo Nazi and other white supremacist group toward people of mixed race like yourself. I got news for you , you are still less than human in their eyes. You can hate Black Americans all you want and deceive your self that you are white but if we have that race war you values advocate , you will be one of the first one the race supremacist will exterminate , having a drop of White blood , makes you no more white than our President Mr Obama. Collect your guns, preach your bigotry , it will come and get you one day.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

            Dips—, from the way you write you are the racist and bigot. I don’t care what color you are, I look at your ability to do the job that is asked of you. I was more of a man at seventeen than most adult men at 21+. I took responsiblity for my action, took a stand for my believes, and most of all I enlisted into the U.S. Army. I did all that because of the way my parents had raised me.

            Oh, sure there are idiots, like you, out there that hate anything and everthng that is different from them, hear only what they want to hear, or don’t wait for all the evidence to be in before they make up their ‘widdle’ minds. In otherwords follow along with the mob and do whatever their Masters tell them. Well, Dips—, I am not one of those sheeple, I wait for all the facts to be in before I decide what’s right or what’s wrong.

            Oh, sure, Zimmerman shot Martin but was it the way the media and some people want to protray it, or was it the way Zimmerman said it went down. We may never know, but what I do know is that we have to wait for all the evidence to be in. As for the (New) Black Panthers THEY BROKE THE LAY by putting a bounty (dead or alive) on Zimmerman’s head, so they need to be put in jail. However, I don’t think it will happen because the Police and the DA there in Florida are afraid of the NBPs.

          • Delroy Brown

            You are the most bigoted and judgmental person to on this site. Without knowing me you have already questioned my educational background , motive and credential. You have already reached your conclusion based on your own bias and now sit in judgement of the press and the rest of America who questions the Sandford police handling of the case. The police had already close the case solely on Zimmerman’s word without analyzing evidence such as ballistic, gun powder residue and voice analysis to verify Zimmerman’s account of event. Without civil right leaders such as Al Sharpton, god bless his soul and Jesse Jackson no one including you would have heard of Trayvon..Given the sequence of events without an arrest the parents had a right to expect an explanation from George as to why he killed their son whom he profiled and stalked even though the police asked him to leave the situation alone. Iv’e read your rants about George not getting a fair shake. He is alive and walking while Trayvon is dead. You also stated that Trayvon was no boy and had the audacity to question his right to walk from the store in that gated community. You also questioned how minority raised their children and you labeled Blacks as being lazy and only looking to take what you have. You are free to hold on to those misguided beliefs, its your right but you don’t have the right to deny Trayvon’s his constitutional right to walk from the store. I thought that’s one of the reason we go to war.to preserve freedom . Does that freedom not extend to African American or does it only applies t from o white supremacists and mixed race bigots like yourself. You boast that you are mixed but sound very mixed up in your logic and reasoning.Its people like yourself along with the uneducated bigots and ideologically driven that makes it hard for the races to get along. Most of us want to live in peace but until your kind dies out we may never realize this fundamental joy. Your ideology prevent you from discerning right from wrong. Worst of all you don’t seem to have the decency to acknowledge that someone has lost their life in a situation that was preventable. You instead choose to do a character assassination on the victim, judge his and all Black parents while extolling your own virtues and your right to bear harm. Your right to bear arm was never the issue and nobody wants to deny you that privilege, We just want answers to a murder. To get it we must have an arrest.Your concern about George not getting a fair trial is overwhelming, where is the concern for the victim I ask.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

            Will, Will, D. Brown, you have just shown your true colors: a idiot Racist and Bigot.
            So you idolize Sharpton who caused so much trouble over that so called rape victim for whom he never apologized to the real victims: the white officers, then he along with Jackson another bigot did it again over the Boys from that University (Can’t remember its name) again no apology. Those two are the two most racial bent and bigotted idiots I have ever had the misfortune to read about or even see on the news. Those two only show up if the cameras are rolling.

            If you don’t like whats going on around you run for an elected office and work from within to change things. Just maybe you might learn something about whats really going on aroung you.

          • Delroy Brown

            Lets stick to the issue. We are talking about Zimmerman’s murder of Trayvon without just cause. You strongly proclaims Zimmerman’s innocence, chastised Trayvon’s parents, his race the media and every one who seeks answer. These are the only facts I know about you. These facts paint a character portrait of who you are and what you represent. If pointing them out makes me racist in your mind , then there is less hope of reform for yo than I had entertained.. You try to make this about Rev Sharpton, it is not . It is about Trayvon’s death at the hand’s of a bigot you choose to put upon a pedestal in the name of “Stand your ground” which is not applicable here, when the murderer is the pursuer and aggressor. Sharpton is a strong advocate for the powerless, and those without a voice. He shines a light on the injustices and double standard of the legal system as they apply to minorities. You don’t have to belong to this group to understand that. Your bigotry just wont permit you to. Nobody is perfect , we all have our faults and that includes The Reverend Al Sharpton. He has done more good in his lifetime on behalf of the abused than you ever will. He has spent his entire life advancing the cause of civil right just like Dr Mr Luther King before him. People like you said the same thing about Dr King in his day that you now say about Rev Sharpton.It is prudent that you look at his body of work , not by any one incident which occur in the 80s with Tawana Brawley. There were many Trayvon and Tawana before and since, they just never made the news. The Rev is no angel but I am sure he has done more in the eyes of God than you. I have never heard him preaching hatred . He his always trying to get grievances redressed for those that have being wronged. This is something you will never understand. I have never being accused of being a bigot, but coming from you , what else is new.. Its just a case of you projecting your own attitude onto me. Its a common defense mechanism employed by your kind when you have no argument to support indefensible nonsense.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

            Oh, don’t put Sharpton or even Jackson in the same league as Dr. Martin Luther King they’re not. Where the GOOD Dr. King tried to avoid the limelight while campaigning for Civil Rights, those two hypocrits are out for themselves. They have cause more trouble then they have any good. As for the Zimmerman case we need to sit back and wait until the verdict is in. In otherwords, Brown, start calling for the arrest of the New Black Panthers leader, you know the person that placed a Bounty (DEAD OR ALIVE) on Mr. Zimmerman. Nobody is calling for his arrest, as far as I know he broke the law by placing the Bounty on Zimmerman.

            Oh, I forgot to ask where are they going to get an impartial jury, you know the ones that are going to have to judge the Zimmerman Case, not on emotions but on the evidence?

          • Delroy Brown

            You finally said what most parents of teenagers have been saying all along. Let the court decide George’s innocence or guilt based on the forensics. Before they Sandford police department closed the case based on George’s word. I ask you to go to any prison and conduct a survey of convicted murderers and see how many proclaim their innocence. Most criminal never confess to their crime, that is the reason we have the court. Let the chips fall where they may as the wheel of justice begin to turn like it has for so many before george and will for many more after I am gone.

        • Vic

          Delroy Brown wrote: “How dare you characterize people who don’t have a job as being lazy. Most of the jobs have been outsourced and even people like myself with bachelor’s degree in Engineering cant find a job in our field and must resort to other fields where we are under employed. ”

          He’s 100% right calling you lazy. Lift up your butt from your coach and go find yourself a job. I did it more times than I care to count and I never been without a job for more than 3 months. It’s no rocket science, esp. with engineering degree you claim you have. Even today I’m getting a few calls per week from recruiters who cannot fill job racks they need, so if you cannot find yourself a job means you’re not looking for it hard enough, means you are lazy. Live with it.

  • old hillbilly

    LeRoy, If you have a degree & can read, go back to the Constitution. There are no rights for anyone without it. It includes Articles 1, 4, 14, and 9! It doesn’t matter what color or religion you are either. It’s a profoundly simple document of divine nature! We need to be prosecuting official office holders who violate their oath of office, beginning with Holder.

    Mr. Z, as a member of the gated community had a right to walk those streets and sidewalks, & say (or think) whatever he wanted to say to anyone he wanted to speak to! To my knowledge, the oath takers (US DOJ & dingbat in Fla., JJ & A.S.s.), have no Amendment passed by the states to repeal or in any way change those WRITTEN WORDS in the Constitution! The question is…. Where are the Hispanics??? – Going to let Sharpton & Jackson railroad. He had a right to defend himself from physical harm (attack)! If no physical harm the highest law of the land says take it to a grand jury of… “the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed…”

    We’re rapidly losing those rights to anarchy & mob violence. Unfortunately, blacks who think it’s a good thing, are still in a minority & when the race baiters get done, they’ll wind up back on plantations working for a “Hispanic”! Of course, the baiters are anxious to throw the Hispanic under the bus because he isn’t dark enough – too Mexican. Then there are the sneaky whites in this baiting mess, who will put the hammer & sickle on the white house wall the minute the time is ripe. The objective is hate and the means are idiotic “special” crimes defined by race! The end of freedom for everyone is near, if sane people don’t wise up!

    When justice is afraid to apply the Constitution and use the grand jury to indict someone for a crime, corruption is way over the line!

    • Delroy Brown

      Nobody is denying George’st constitution right to walk and patrol the gated community . The law says you cant commit murder and use a law that does not apply as cover when you are the pursuer and aggressor. Any way just by the tone of your paragraphs I know where you stand on the right of minority when it comes to justice for all. Your day shall come. You care very little about Hispanic a group discriminated against probably by your kind. You only reason for engaging is to push a political ideology. Shame on you,You are so transparent.George’s attitude and his bigotry does not represent the value and character of 99% of Hispanics most of whom are hard working people who places value on human life. He has embraced the culture of bigotry and racism which can only come through encultration at home and your immediate surroundings. Hanging around people of your mind set plays a large role also. In the final analsis I have more hope for George than I do for you . Maybe he will learn from his mistake, but you its obvious is an hopeless case.

      • Vic

        Delroy, you have no factual basis to claim Zimmerman as a “pursuer” or “aggressor”, much less about his attitude or “bigotry”. Your posts are void of facts or logic, only wishful thinking and racial hatred.

        • Delroy Brown

          You stated I have no evidence Zimmerman was the pursuer or aggressor. News flash, I have Zimmerman’s own word on tape verbatim. This was not manipulated or taken out of context. When he was asked by the cop, Are you following him? Zimmerman’s answered, yes sir. The cop responded we don’t need you to do that. He slurred goon or punk , they always get away. Those words revealed his bias, hatred and bigotry. Why you ask . He did not know Trayvon from a hole in the wall. All he saw was a black person walking up the street and that for him represente an emergency call to 911, telling them there was a black kid walking up the, block, he looked like he was on drug , he is wearing a hoodie and was up to no good. What were the basis for calling 911 which is for emergency. What was the emergency ? Having a black child walking from the store. Would he have done the same thing if the victim was white. I doubt it unless such an individual was in the commission of a crime. Zimmerman’s made at least 50 other such calls in the preceding months pertaining to African American the record shows. Those are the basis of my argument , you are welcome to differ. But I I doubt you can offer up any legitimate rebuttal of the facts I just provided. You could also hear him chasing after Trayvon from the wind gust picked up by the phone. He was obviously out of breath. Those are the facts. Go back and listen to Zimmerman’s call to 911. We also have Trayvon’s girlfriend’s deposition.She was on the phone with him right up until the phone went dead and he was dead less than 3 minutes later the call log showed. He told her he was being followed by a stranger. She told him to run and he told her he would not. She heard Zimmerman confronted him and demanded to know what he was doing on the block. She heard the head piece went dead as the phone fell to the ground. Go ahead believe the killer and call her a liar. George has no one to support his claim that Trayvon attacked him , just his word and yours. The forensic evidence will shed light on the facts. Soon, very soon George will reap what he sowed. I have shown no racial hatred , go over all my posts and compare it to yours. All I did was laid out the facts as we know them and called attention to your bias and fallacy. Have a good life.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

            Brown, what version of the tape did you hear? The true one or the doctored one, probaly the doctored one. I heard the tape and when the 911 Operator ask him what race the individual was he was observing, that was when and only time you heard Zimmerman said that the individual was black and then later you heard the Operator tell him to stop following the individual because the Police were on their way.

            If you want anybody to pay for any crimes why don’t you call for the arrest of the individual from the (New) Black Panthers that put the Bounty (Dead or Alive) on Mr. Zimmerman. Oh, I also believed that i ask you earlier where will they find an impartial jury, one that will judge not from emotions but from the evidence, I don’t think they can?

          • bigboyroyjames

            I heard that same tape you did . The police asked Zimmerman , what race the individual was? Ever wondered why.? Could it be that George had a history of using a line that was meant for real emergency to call and report on every Black male he visually come in contact with incessantly as a suspicious looking. He made 50 calls in the months leading up to the incident. Was that too , a made up fact. Stop dwelling on the Black Panther they have not murdered any one relevant to this issue. That is all distraction . Are you equating the two issues. One is exercising freedom of speech which is distasteful to many, the other is about murder. Where is the equivalence? Get real. We can’t start locking up everyone whose view we disagree with. If we do, then racist like you and other bigots of extreme view would all be in jail. Where would we put all of you who have come out and said some of the most vicious thing of the president bordering on threat and treason. Examine yourself and get off your soap box.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

            I may have said some thing about Obumer the COOTIS (Community Organizer Of The United States) or even calling him an idiot for bowing and humbling the US to every two-bit dictator but none of it has been a racial slur or have called for Bounty on his head. I do believe that placing a Bounty which states that they will pay even if the person is Dead is against the law. Even the US Govenment doesn’t do that in its Wanted Poster anymore, if you need proof just visit your Main Post office.

            So, I say again where are the demands for the arrest of the (New) Black Panthers Leader, or is there a double standard in this case? I know if I or any of my friends did we’d be in jail so fast that we’d not have time to blink.

          • Vic

            bigboyroyjames says: “The police asked Zimmerman , what race the individual was? Ever wondered why.? Could it be that George had a history of using a line that was meant for real emergency” – wow, that’s some kind of a stretch! Every single time I had to call 911 (like couple of times in my lifetime) they’ve asked me the same thing!

            Placing a bounty on someone’s head is not a free speech but a conspiracy to murder.

            So racist like you should stfu, cause if you get your way and have your racial war you’ll lose miserably.

          • bigboyroyjames

            Nothing that the Black Panther says equate to murder, besides placing a reward for the capture and conviction of a murderer is a very common occurrence. I am surprise you have never seen or heard of this before. White supremacist like yourself have been lynching blacks for years without a protest or retribution. You refuse to condemn Zimmerman for murder. You find all kind of justification for his action while calling for for the arrest of the Black panther . You are an hypocrite of the worst kind. You need to check your self . Go seek counselling , it may help you understand why you hate people of another race with such venom. Didn’t you get enough love growing up as a child. Who abused or victimized you.Were you beaten up as a child by Blacks? Is this why you hate them so much? I feel sorry for you. You deserve every ones prayer, but a doubt anything short of a miracle can turn you around. May God will have mercy on your soul and touch your hardened heart of yours. I will not bet on it however.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

            Jimmie Boy, I am not a Racist or a Bigot like you and your kind. I am of mixed blood and am married to a beautiful Asian. So, Jimmie Boy, who am I suppose to hate my Native American blood or my European Blood or my Tsuma’s (Wife) heritage and my children or even their children?

            Yes, I have heard of rewards for some’s arrest and conviction. However, that is not what the (New) Black Panter’s bounty stated it called for his capture (DEAD OR ALIVE). For which I do believe is against the law because it is calling for someone to be murdered.

          • bigboyroyjames

            Marrying a minority does not inoculate someone against being a racist, you could be a racist against your own kind too. The culture has thought you to so. I have already deducted from your rant that you could not possibly embrace the indian part of your heritage . You are convinced yourself in your delusional world that you are white. You suffer from self hatred . In your weak mind, psychologically you think that if you hate minority that makes you white.You words speak for you, your values exposed who you are. I would hate to be you. You must be one miserable and unhappy person. Zimmerman killed , Trayvon, he has not denied it. Where is the innocence , you cannot start a fight and , turn around and kill someone if they back and claim self defense. The Black panther has shown more class than you. You lack their character. That is what is killing you. at least they stand for justice and recognize a crime when they see one.

          • mdbonjr

            Feed the troll and he hangs around and gets fat. Ignore the troll and he grows hungry and moves on to find others to feed off of. You cannot convince a troll. You cannot change a troll. Their soul purpose is existing to cause as much chaos and turmoil as others will allow them to. It’s a practice in insanity to challenge a troll. Good luck Delroy a.k.a. bigboy a.k.a. several others. It’s a crying shame that you find it necessary to act the way you do. I am praying for you.

          • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

            Jimmie Boy, you are an idiot. the Black Panther (new or old) don’t stand for true justice they are only out for one thing that is their brand of justice. Intimanation of others that don’t think the way they want you to. I still say that placing a Dead or Alive bounty on someone is tadimont to inciting murder and totally different than placing a reward out that calls for the arrest and CONVICTION of an unknown suspect. That is how you can get the intel that will lead you to that suspects arrest.

            Oh. by the way I know who I am, A PROUD AMERICAN PATRIOT who will fight to the death to defend you right to be what you are A BLOODY FOOL. I don’t care what color your skin is as long as you are able to perform the work that you are asked to do, if you can I’ll be there with you.

            What I don’t care for or even respect are people (any race or creed) that believe that they are owed a living just because of what they think was done to them in the past. If they would get up off their fat butts and get a job. any job. They will soon realize that people are starting to respect them more and will be willing to help them out.

          • Vic

            Yes, Delroy, you have zero evidence. Looks like I’ve heard the same undoctored tape John Wilch heard.

            First of all, answering a question from 911 operator, Zimmerman said “… seems to be black…” i.e. he wasn’t even sure of Martin’s skin color at the time. Here goes your assertion about racial motive.

            Second, after being told to stop following Martin Zimmerman replied “OK” and it’s clear by the way how his breath temp change that he slow down. It remains to be seen, perhaps in court investigation, if he turned and went back to his car, but the fact that he obeyed the instruction to stop pursuing Martin is undeniable. There’s no slur or anything like that pertaining to Martin anywhere on the tape, he (Zimmerman) cursed couple of times as I do when I step into mud or hit my foot on something, but I myself do that and all the people I know do the same.

            Now, IIRC, it was raining at the moment. If and when I will see someone in my gated community who I don’t recognize as resident walking in the rain as if it’s the best weather to take a walk, I’d become suspicious this instant and will watch him/her until I see that nothing fishy is going on. That’s natural and is no crime. Moreover, if/when I’m going somewhere, my path migh well coincide with someone else’s path and it’s no stalking and no crime unless I’m attacking the other person verbally or physically. In other words, Zimmerman’s behavior was 100% rational and he was in his own right to behave this way. If the stranger in the neighborhood I deem suspicious would start running from me as to avoid being observed, I’d immediately call 911 exactly as Zimmerman did. Again, there’s nothing wrong in that and again, I’d do so regardless of skin color as I’m sure Zimmerman did.

            Lastly, there are witnesses who say that it’s Martin who was on top of Zimmerman beating him, that pretty much sums it up about the “evidence” you have so stop your incitement of racial hatred already!

  • old hillbilly

    Leroy – wisdom awaits on the 4-16 bloggeraroo

  • bigboyroyjames

    Vic , you are pathetic. You are worst than Zimmerman, I could see you doing the same thing. I hope someone do to you what Zimmerman did to Trayvon should they catch you walking on a block you don’t live on.You are sick, far gone.. Totally devoid of logic and reason. Dont bother to respond. You are wasting space. I’d rather hear from someone with some intelligence, who is not blinded with bias and bigotry.

    • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

      Jimmie Boy, I agree with Vic. We need to sit back and wait for all the evidence to be put forward. right now all I see is idiots calling Zimmerman’s head. I always thought that a person was innocent until proven guilty. However, I learning something now the true justice and than there is MOB justice. Which one are you for TRUE or MOB justice? I think I know which type you are for from all your writings; you are for the MOB kind of justice and if the verdict doesn’t go the way you want it you’ll have a fit and destroy other people property.

  • Silicon Doc

    Is “everyone” forgetting the cops let Zimmerman go ? Therre were no charges, Zimmerman’s story checked out, the law enforcement officials were satisfied.
    Then our left racists decided to pursue a political prosecution just like the old USSR and just like their alynsky obamalioar model tells them to.
    Our left liars, the dirtball skum of humanity, will continue to manipulate the system at the highest levels destroying lives at whim, because they have no morals, and can get away with it, and it is effective.

  • http://yahoo.com Bill

    I think I replied on another question involving the Trayvon Martin shooting but I will on this one also. When the black rascists Sharpton, jessie jackson, the black panthers, aclu, barack obama, and all the other black politicians came out in mass to attempt to get Zimmerman arrested, I remember that sharpton said that if they didn’t do something soon they would take it to the level. That only meant one thing, having the blacks burn down all the cities in America. Then when sharpton and the black panthers put the reward out for Zimmerman (dead or alive), and obama spoke out that martin could be his son, well I knew then that Zimmermans fate had been sealed. So they bring in a special prosecutor and before long Zimmerman is charged, even after the Police Department had made its investigation and found him innocent. Well, I knew then that to save the state and federal government, not to mention all the burnings in the cities, they might as well instead of a trial, just take Zimmerman out back of the courthouse and hang him to the nearest tree. That would have saved everyone a lot of trouble and America would have been once again safe from the black rascists!!!!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      It is immoral to turn the murder of an innocent teen into a political football of left vs right instead of right vs wrong. Imagine if you will , your son went to the store to get soda and candy and upon returning , while talking on the phone with a friend is stalked and gunned down by a sell appointed vigilante bent on prosecuting every burglary committed in that community by those punk who always get away, George’s word. The perpetrator is allowed to walk on his claim of self defense even though by his own account he is following the victim who is no threat to him, despite being told he does not have to. The case is closed without through investigation of the evidence which would include forensic report, gunpowder residue and ballistic report. All we have is the accused account of event. How many murderers have you heard of who confessed to their action solely on remorse. The parents of this victim who had a clean record rightfully wants answer.but are summarily ignored. They had to fight to get the release of the 911 tapes. It took their activism, along with an outraged Black media and civil right activists before the power to be even paid attention to them. When you murder someone it is the state’s prerogative to decide guilt or innocence based on the evidence collected. The police job is to turn over these evidence and let the facts unfold, not over ruled the lead homicide investigator who found the defense wanting and allow thee perp to walk. This is not justice, Maybe in a banana republic such as Iran, the old USSR, China and South Africa but not in America where we have the Lady in the Harbor proclaiming justice is blind. Blacks have been murdered through the years in this way without recourse but that was before America became a part of the nation of states the recognize every one as equal under the law regardless of color. You never see this much media coverage when a black murder a white many says and that is only due the fact that the first black encountered by cop is usually apprehended and swiftly brought to justice guilty or not to calm fear and satisfy the thirst for blood. Justice is blind and should not be allocated based on connection and station in life.Please do not detail a list of every crime ever committed by individual Blacks, or every indiscretion real or perceived by Al Sharpton to justify denying Trayvon and is family their day in court. In conclusion do not use your opposition for president Obama who was only responding in a neutral fashion in a non partisan manner to a query put forth by a reporter To politicize the case is beyond reproach. If you dislike Obama, let him know that at the ballot box but don’t use it as a reason to deny Trayvon justice. The Black Panther statement was not sanctioned by the family , so please leave that out of it. Almost every point you made is independent of the case involving Trayvon and George so please do not try to cloud the issue. For once in your life try to be impartial and imagine it was you or a family member. Forget politics just for once. The action and behavior of other players does not have to shape your analysis and view of the case only your, ethic, moral belief of right and wrong and your unbiased impartiality should count. I will try not to judge you. Only God and you knows your heart and motives. No harm intended.

  • aubreyfarmer

    It is the Jews that own the media using their monopoly to promote racial strife. You have got to be absolutely blind to not see what is going on. Hell they even brag about it. History is full of examples of Jews either bragging about their craftiness and ability to manipulate the goy or other Jews that are good God fearing people talking about other Jews. Don’t believe me. Look here. http://www.iahushua.com/JQ/436quote1.html Zionist Jews are the most wicked people on the planet and what we see happening to the Palestinian people prove this fact every day. America is Zionist occupied territory and the Hegelian Dialectic is used time and again to put the screw to us. Now it is these same Jews screaming for net censorship because too many people are waking up to their criminal minds. You and I can’t think like these people do. Man kills his parents. During his trial the murderer begs the court for mercy as now he is an orphan. By deceit these wicked people have undermined our democracy and created a dictatorship of the wealthy and powerful. Wake up and look around. They control the Federal Reserve. Has that given them the ability to own or control everything else of importance? It looks that way to me. Americans are dying to please these snakes in the grass. Why aren’t Israelis part of the NATO forces in Afghanistan? After all it is for them we are killing scores of people. It all makes me disgusted to see how America has become the Zionists punk.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      This case has nothing to do with the Jews, so please don’t use it as a platform to spew your anti-semitism and bigoted hatred. An innocent child is dead and we seek answer. It is people like you why we have war and strife in this world and country. Remember as the great poet once said, until the color of a man skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes there will be war. Until there is no first and second class citizen we will always have war. Stop sowing hatred and discontent, go find yourself a Bible or whatever religion you adhere to and read it. Maybe somewhere in there you will find peace and reform your character. Peace out.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      I will leave that judgement to God. I prefer to take each individual on their own merit. There is always good in the worst of us and some bad in the best of us. It ill behove any of us to sit and judge the rest of us. I know a lot of good Jews so I am not about to condemn all Jews. Blacks in America have been persecuted on that basis through the years and that is the reason Trayvon is dead because of his profile. It could have been me. I don’t share your belief but its a free country.

  • http://aol.com mimi

    YES THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA, IS PLAYING THE RACE CARD IT’S NOTHING KNEW ,THEY ARE SO FAR UP OBUMMERS BUTT THEY CAN’T THINK STRAIGHT, THEY ARE NOT FAIR THEY LIE BIG TIME!!! THAT IS WHY I NEVER WATCH ANY NEWS SHOW BUT FOX OR DO I EVER BUY A PAPER THAT DOESN’T GIVE BOTH SIDES A CHANCE TO TELL WHAT THEY WANT US TO HEAR!!!!! THIS IS AMERICA FRIENDS ,WE HAVE RIGHTS AND MOST OF ALL FREEDOM!!!! I WOULD HOPE BLACK PEOPLE WAKE UP AND STOP BEING A SLAVE ON THE KKK PLANTATION, THE BEST PRESIDENT EVER WAS ABRAHAM LINCOLN WHO DIED SO BLACKS COULD BE FREEEEEEEE, GET OFF THAT SLAVE PLANTATION YOU ARE FREE!!!!

  • http://www.chauffagiste-duval.fr/ Chauffagiste Paris

    all the time i used to read smaller articles that also clear their
    motive, and that is also happening with this article which I am reading at this place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dweetta.adams Dweetta Adams

    why is martain if he was such a super boy he man beaten honest george zimmerman into a cream puff why is he the one dead.,, becuse zimmerman is a liar if he had went for the gun he would have gotten the gun he never saw the gun zimmerman pull out the gun and murder him after initiated a fight with a stranger. like the coward he is.

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