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Do Banksters Kill Millions Of People?

July 23, 2012 by  

Do Banksters Kill Millions Of People?

In the public’s mind, the war trials following World War II demonstrated that evil must be vanquished and punished. But the Nuremberg Trials were simply a propaganda showcase. In reality, the only difference between the “good guys” and the “bad guys” was that the “good guys” had more guns.

What the people of the world did not see and still do not understand is that the real issues of World War II were never allowed to come up for public debate — certainly not at the Nuremberg Trials. The issue was that both sides prosecuted the war with paper money.

What are the facts? The facts are that both combatants were equally guilty of promoting esoteric warfare on their own populations as well as on each other. Someone(s) who wanted to initiate a new world human drama lined up and supplied both sides. The cost of human life was incidental to the money creators. But if there is a “cause,” people will die and sacrifice their own flesh.

Both the United States and Germany should have been on trial at Nuremberg, Germany in 1945 for war crimes. Oh, the German high command was guilty all right — but no less so than the U.S. or British high command.

It is not debatable that both sides sent millions of their own young soldiers to an early death. Both sides also killed millions of civilians. And the allied powers, fighting ostensibly to keep Europe free from Nazism, condemned millions of Eastern Europeans to years of suffering the oppression of communism under Russia’s boot heel.

Forget all the propaganda and all the blame and consider the honest answer as to who was at fault on both sides. Do we want the honest answer? Can we stand the light of day?

The people who caused the great world wars and all wars that have brought death and suffering to millions of people were the central bankers in other countries and the Federal Reserve Bank in the United States.

Central banks create paper money and credit for government and politicians to spend for war and their socialist agenda. All of the money and credit now crushing the American people was created by the U.S. central bank, the Federal Reserve (which is neither Federal, nor does it hold reserves). It is owned, as it has been since its beginning, by a few bankster families in the United States and Europe.

Your local banker is probably innocent in this scheme. I doubt if one person in 1,000 — and that includes most bank employees — has a clue as to how money is created by banks.

Banks don’t have loads of paper money in their vaults. When they start to make a customer loan, they just create the money with a bookkeeping entry. It costs the bank nothing, but the customer has to pay interest.

Bankers big and small love this system, as do politicians. This gives them a silent and unfair advantage over the people.

Paper money and credit are the licenses for all the evil that the human mind of man can conjure up and create. Central bankers have demonstrated in the past 100 years that with a stroke of a computer digit they can create trillions of dollars as easily as they can $1. Yes, they create these dollars out of nothing, but you have to work for your dollars.

Printing-press money is the means and motivation for endless wars and endless death and suffering, courtesy of the banksters. This is banker blood money and with it they devalue all the money in circulation. It is an insidious confiscation of wealth that not one person in 1 million understands or is even aware of.

Devaluation of the currency is the prime and silent purpose of banker-created money. Even at this hour, devaluation is impoverishing Americans by reducing and diluting the purchasing power of their money. This goes on all the time, even while we sleep.

You can’t bury your money deep enough to save it from the money creators. It is all very simple. The more money the banksters create, the less yours is worth.

The point of this article is that World War I, World War II and any war that we can think of — including the wars in the Mideast — would not last more than a few days without the banksters creating money to prosecute war. Wars have to be funded.

Bankster-created money is the blood of war as well as the impoverishment of the people. All central bankers create the money for war and death.

Paper money appears in the absence of the gold standard. Banksters and politicians hate the gold standard because the gold standard disciplines them and the bureaucrats to the rule of law.

Banksters create the money for war and death. The discipline of the gold standard would have prevented all the wars of the past 100 years. Millions of soldiers have died for nothing, as have millions of civilians.

Did your history book mention this?

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  • DaveH

    A FREE way to better understanding money:
    http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

    Thank you Mises Institute.

    • don macd…

      There’ll be no understanding intil we we understand, focus, and prosecute with simple annuity logic. We must understand how much should be there without inflation or justification of the pilfering process! Following is article I wrote recently, that touches on the subject of raw investment, 5%ROI, & 5% inflation.

      Granny will be sleeping under the bus, not in a culvert. Fox news (6-23-12) gathered their wizards to help bereaved citizens accept the death of their pensions! One said private pensions were $135 billion underfunded. The public sector is $1 trillion unfunded. They intentionally ignored Social Security! Zero Fed & bank interest rates were mentioned, but “nothing” doesn’t matter!

      Excessively funded “unfunded plans”, begs criminal investigation into underlying government structures that punish productive investment returns and rewards unaccountable consumption! Government officials deliberately devalue currency (inflation) to devalue loan repayment obligations. They allow themselves and global banks free use of the treasury. They allow executive and regulatory agencies to throw that money to the winds like trees shedding leaves in the fall! The wizards say, end citizen “entitlements” or face catastrophe! There is absolutely no shame, come-uppance, or penalty for looting public funds and misleading the public to cover up an Armageddon of criminal activity!

      Zero interest rates are dictatorial trademarks of Muslim Shari law and Marxism, wherein government bureaucracies make economic decisions and citizens obey or do without! Free capitalism rewards individual investment in productive economic infrastructure, wherein output is determined by citizens, not bureaucrats! Zero interest means the spoils of your thrift and labor, as well as your soul, belongs to government! Wanton deception, endless corruption of public money and wealth, killing babies, dividing races and people against one another, defying laws, giving citizen benefits to alien invaders, etc., represents government’s war against individual freedom under God, country, and Constitution!

      If one lays three annuities side by side, one earning 0%, another 5%, and another losing 5% to inflation you can see the US financial catastrophe at hand. Call it “whatever”, the message is identical! If $50,000 was an average wage, and you saved $637.50/mo. (15.3%) over 552 months (age 18 to 65) and interest earned is zero, you would have $351,900 on your 65th birthday, (without inflation)! If it earned 5% compounded monthly you would have $1,365,775 cash on your 65th birthday! If government creates 5% inflation with zero interest, the return is 5% negative, and your $351,900 investment shrinks to $137,734 at age 65.

      With 5% interest, your investment increases by $1,03,875. It’s enough for $11,924/mo. for 13 years (3 times salary…6+ times SSI-MED benefits) or $5,691/mo. perpetual interest to descendants FOREVER! Without interest you might get ½ pay ($2,256/mo) for 13 years. With 5% inflation and zero interest you lose $214,166 of your investment, and the $137,734 remainder only buys $625/mo. for 13years (15% of salary)…, that’s SSI & almost every other pension plan TODAY!

      Our politicians understand the math and choice between $1.4 million at retirement in a free society vs. a dying broke communist! Politicians prefer “rose gardens”, trillion dollar deficits, quietly looting a half trillion from the treasury to buy illegal alien votes, and unlimited “gimmies” (windmills, palm dusting, toots, and carbon dioxide)! We need new senators, representatives, and a president!!

      • Louise

        You logic concerns me as a reader. Your article sounds more like propoganda that fact.
        I will remove this stage from my sight.

      • Thomas B

        What you say is probably true, a depressing group of ideas and facts about our predicament. As hopeless as it seems for us, remember it has always been this way throughout time where the evil ones control everything from behind the scenes and abuse and kill others thoughtlessly. But I believe without doubt that those who have faith in God
        will survive and be rewarded. The whole point of it is who is with God and who is not? Life on earth is the test, the gauntlet we must survive. The rich evil manipulators who cause the good people such grief are trash who are perpetually miserable and have no spirit of God. Their existence is pointless.

      • saintpio1

        I don’t have time to read all the articles. Sure the bankers kill lots of people. They are owned by the MASONS The Masons live in the Waldorf Astoria, are the richest people on earth and have planned all the leaders, wars, depressions etc.. They are the highest in the Masons and the lower degree men have no idea what is going on at the top.

      • don macd…

        Annuity results are based on mathematical fact, not opinion or probability… Bottom line it’s as simple as a fixed payment into a saving plan, number of payments, and the interest rate calculated to reach a future value at the end of the period. The monthly or annual pay-out requires the principle, interest rate, and number of payments. The exact calculations are very complex, but extremely easy to use with a simple computer!

        Identifying the problem requires removing the variables to “see what it should be”! For example, if inflation is 5%, 5% interest rates yield zero ROI (return on investment) and 0% interest rates yield negative 5% ROI (today’s government game!)! Further, any “interest income” is taxed by government to rub salt into your wounds! Dollar devaluation is a factor of inflation. If you go to the trouble of factoring the many different annual rates back to 1965, up to 2011 you’ll find dollar devaluation averaged something a bit less than 5%, enough to wipe out SSI, especially considering the fact that benefit payments are factored up for inflation, while investments evaporate with devaluation!

        We’re not all mathematicians, and the thieves know it! We believe – so do they! The 1965 CPI Index of 31.5 divided by the 224.91 in 2011 says the 1965 dollar is worth 13 cents and 224.91/31.5 says it takes $7.14 to buy what a dollar bought in 1965! If you had invested that dollar @ (5% very roughly) back then, you would be taxed on $6.14 “phony profit”! Today we don’t know what CPI numbers are because “government” is cooking the BLS/CPI numbers!

        Look at it this way, if $50K were an average wage, with SSI (15.3%) and 5% net ROI, the $11,924/mo benefit is six times greater $2,000… which is certainly well over anything SSIMED pays! POINT- when any politician tells you it takes 2 worker tax contributions to pay one benefit instead of 12 benefits (2×6=12!), you’re being lied to… whether by ignorance or malice… the result is the same! The money is GONE! The thieves are here! Yes, it’s catastrophic… so was WWII! Recover whatever money we can, and have another “war crimes tribunal” & rebuild this country! SSI-MED rates of 3% would be more than enough if the value of capital savings was restored and we chop off the fingers in the pot!

      • Sarah R.

        There is little point in hashing funded and unfunded pensions or SS. The NWO has been controlling money since 1950. They have infiltrated our schools, unions, our government. They have created the total chaos around the world. Putin in Russia and China go on record as saying that they will not let Bilderberg tell them what to do. There is no help from our government Repubs or Dems. We’re on our own folks and we’d better damn well do a good job. Romney is our only answer in order to get rid of Obama. He belongs to the NWO as well. We must elect Romney and then watch him very closely.

      • Bill

        Are you willing to be the next fearless secretary of the treasure?

      • http://www.facebook.com/walt.stawicki Walt Stawicki

        oh puleeze spare me such foolish gibberish. The concept of interest was despized by the middle ages catholic church too. So are you saying that entity was commie sharia too? are you saying that just because two bad groups are on the right side then you prefer the wrong side? What does interest have to do with main street and surplus cows (capital-ism is derived from this concept) ? Of course to true believers like yourself, reflexive a-moral pro “capitalism” useful idiots…..there can be no doubts. That is the bottom line to me. For you what is the bottom line? what except your share at the expense of others, the expense of we the people for one?

      • Duster

        The single critical fact that has the entire planet in this morass is that there is no single coherent theory of the origins of value and of money. That is because they are different in nature and in origin. Money is a score-keeping device that ideally marks value that you or I have created.

        Creation of value implies work in the classsical sense you learn in a physics class: the expenditure of energy in the modifying of a material object or location of a physical mass. That phase of what we describe as economy when applied to just us humans is really an extention of normal, biological ecology. That is in fact all ecology is, the trace of energy through biological systems from capture by green plants through herbivores and carnivores to its eventual reradiation into space.

        Money is theoretically a means introducing temporal delay into this work-reward loop. In fact, it physically doesn’t and can’t. What it marks in theory originally was that work “had” been done for which reward was required. In more complex societies with specialized professions, reward can be very indirect. You cannot eat a tree you cut down, a cabinet maker may purchase would from a saw mill that processed would you cut, a farmer may ultimately produce the food or fiber or that you actually cut the tree down in order to earn the money you could use to purcahse the food or fiber in the foorm of clothes you needed, and which was the immediate cause of your work.

        At present money comes from debt. It’s source, the fractional reserve system employed by banks for loans. A bank creates fiat money every time it writes a loan. Contrary to the naieve assumptions most of us made after high school civics, that banks loaned money from our savings to people who needed it, most money lent is not linked to any existing “value.” That sole “work” that went into creating it was composed of the effort to determine your credit worthiness and to write the check. There was NO real value involved. For that, we frequently promise to work for as long as 30 years in order to create that value that made the token money in the loan “real.”

        The fact is that every time a road or highway is built or maintained, mail delivered, or a fire fought, value is created or maintained. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that the agency building the road should need to go to a bank for a loan. The bleating complaint about money being printed (or coined) by the government is just a bank complaining about the citizens, as the government, making money over which the bank has no means of immediate profit. What we have at present is not capitalism. I don not think is a true name for it. What we should really be demanding is a return to genuine capitalism, where real value is what is negotiated and where no bank is permitted the privilege of printing money unbacked by existing value.

      • gary baker

        really you think a new neo con president is not going to spend another 6 trillion dollars on more wars in the middle east your a fool if you think it wont happen. SO what is 6 trillion spent on wars plus the cost of no oversight on wall street gonna do

      • Farleyagain

        I agree with Duster. The problem is that as the central banks print money they devalue our money which is based on the real value of our work and products. For boomers, it’s the end of the world since there is no more work to be had and now the pot of savings is becoming worthless.

      • don macd…

        We’re not following the money trail! If 150 million (½ of 300 million) people were fully funded @ $1 million each, the SSIMED fund would be $150 trillion. Governments claim that it takes 2 workers SSIMED contributions to pay one fractional benefit ($1,000 – $1,500/mo?) means no one is adding money to a savings fund. Borrowing $1++ Trillion/yr unpayable debt to pay benefits, says it’s far worse – a run amuck Ponzi scheme based on blinking lights & twirling numbers. We know the FED rate is zero, that Bernanke & Geitner are printing tons of funny money, and inflation will be 5%, 10%, or maybe 100%.

        Similarly government worker and other “private” funds find themselves with the same dilemma… near zero interest and runaway inflation – $ devaluation… cities going broke, record bankruptcies, etc… Add to it the fact that US productive infrastructure disappeared and reappeared brand new in China. The peas & shells are more than the banks that makes peas or trees that drop shells. The issue is global monopolists with relatively little invested in pyramids of so called private wealth that they manage and move about faster than the eye. Is it possible that your investment in home town GE became uncompetitive, wherein GE closed your plant and job, wrote off the loss, and reinvested “their” skimmed money and resources in China, wherein slaves make the same old product for half the price, which is sold back to unemployed you, at the same old price… Maybe you can’t afford to get your broken back X-rayed and maybe GE & Mao are sharing their new found wealth… Monopoly is very nasty and profitable, with undeniable power to enslave all it touches. The financial pyramids manipulated by global monopolists are evil beyond imagination! Good news – anti-trust laws carried treble damages, but bad news… we can’t seem to identify enemies, problems, or solutions. 310 million people in chaos are like fish in a barrel, but enemies are fleas on the rump of a 310 million pound lion.

        Solutions begin with forcing legislators and the president to the SSI-MED table – force financial disclosure, stop the giveaways and corruption, prosecute, and make corruption very unprofitable and painful! Most of all, recognize the productive utility values of capital savings and investment, jobs it creates, and the wealth and power it creates for everyone! Without it, we’re all slaves! Communist China recognizes the value of capital, but we can’t!

      • Kirk

        Wow Don, that’s what we Texans, like to call “horse sence”…Can’t wait for the day that an once, or bar of gold won’t buy a potato! and a 7.283oz glass of clean water is equivelent to a gallon of petrol in price. I would love to hear your solution as your analogy was supurb! America needs folks like you right now…more than ever

        write on man…
        Captain Kirk

    • http://yahoo gator

      i don’t really believe that ‘THE BANK’ starts all the wars.
      i do beleive it is for their ‘financial gain’ and therefore their ‘power gain’ for them to propagate warfare.
      in days of old when kings needed weapons and armor, they borrowed from ‘THE BANK’; hard currency (gold, silver, stones, etc.) were the rule,as paper money was non-existant. with one king against the other, ‘THE BANK’ cared less about the outcome or the number of humans lost in the conflict; the main concern of ‘THE BANK’ was THE LOSING KING BE KEPT ALIVE BY THE VICTOR! by so doing ‘THE BANK’ was guaranteed its reimburment plus interest of all loans, from both sides; this also insured their control.
      it is fallacy there is more than one bank. there is only ‘THE BANK’ with many branches; and there is ‘ONE HEAD’ of this bank, and he has many powerful servants, in many powerful places.
      its not ‘rocket science’, its more power , more money, more control, till the ultimate goal, TOTAL CONTROL OF THE WORLD.
      only an elite few are allowed to meet the ‘ONE HEAD’, all the rest are just unknowing pawns in this ‘MASTERPLAN’; the conclusion of which is drawing nearer by the hour. money is the root of all evil.
      whether you beleive or not. GOD BLESS US ALL.

      • Kirk

        I think more that it is the love of money that is more evil, kinda like “guns don’t kill people, people keep pulling the damn trigger! God, I love this Web Site!!!

  • revnowwhilewecan

    Great write-up Bob. I tried to re-post it on Facebook but for some reason it won’t let me. I think everyone should share this article and get general public informed. Sharing is caring. :)

    • Jeff

      The article acknowledges a certain reality about war, but singling out the Banks for culpability has more than a touch of xenophobia and old-fashioned, right-wing anti-semitism and paranoia to it. Blaming the Rothschilds for U.S. foreign policy may get some takers among paleoconservatives, but the reality is far more complex.

      I also take issue with your equating the guilt of the 2 sides in WWII. It’s interesting the extent to which you right wingers always want to engage in “moral equivalence” exercises when it comes to the Nazis, but you are not so generous with respect to the Soviet Union or the North Viet Namese during that war. Did the allies commit atrocities in WWII? Of course. The Dresden bombing, the firebombing of Berlin and Tokyo, and the dropping of the atomic bombs are examples of at least questionable actions taken. But to equate Allied actions with those of the Axis Powers is silly. You can certainly do that with respect to WWI, but not WWII. The Allied Powers were engaged in a life and death struggle with pure evil bent on world domination and actually quite capable of pulling it off (unlike every tinpot tyrant we’ve faced since, all billed as “The Next Hitler”).

      Was there a degree of revenge involved in bombing the civilian populations of Germany and Japan? Yes, clearly. But, in the case of the British, can you blame them after the V-2 attacks on London? Yes, Dresden was an atrocity, but you can’t look at it out of its context within history’s most brutal and destructive conflict.

      Our foreign policy ever since WWI has been a succession of fights against “new Hitlers,” none of whom was really a threat to us. The Cold War was essentially an economic struggle for hegemony, but our “hot” wars beginning with Viet Nam have been attempts to impose “discipline” on tiny countries unwilling to follow our dictates. How much of this is driven by the munitions industry and military contractors? I suspect a lot more than we are permitted to know. Are the banks guilty? Probably, but no more than DuPont, Halliburton, etc., etc.

      • http://www.facebook.com/walt.stawicki Walt Stawicki

        this social libertarian who is certain he is not a racist likes the article, does not see where you pull the race card from? Are you sure you are not like the p.c. left? just projecting? just praying for an excuse to pull that tired old debate stoper? quit throwing old antiquated “code word” into everything! that was then…get with now I love arabs, I love Jews, I have a problem with people who don’t have clues trying to tell others what they think and why they do. Ask dont presume, don’t smear with your ghosts!

      • Butch

        No surprise that you revert to yr pro-communist/socialist ways bashing everything you deem “right-wing” when in fact, its just common sense. Or in yr case, not so common. Why not read the Daily GooseStepper or whatever it is ignorant zealots like you are supposed to be reading? Mein Kampf maybe?

        • Jeff

          Butch:

          I attempted to analyze the article as best I could given what we know from history. As for your comments, I don’t speak gibberish. I did not detect an intelligible word or thought in your post. Go talk to Jimmy the Greek.

      • Jeff

        Walt:

        I may be overly sensitive, but I don’t think so. When I see right-wingers levelling reckless charges about bankers and the Rothschilds, I read antisemitism. Right wing thought in this country has a long history of antisemitic, paranoid thought and when I detect it, I point it out. I certainly am not defending the banks, but I recognize the school of thought from which the article springs.

      • Kirk

        In any situation, one must look at “who had what to gain from this”! Were there is “motive”, there is an answer…

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    I AGREE. NICE ARTICLE, Bob Livingston; IT WAS EASY TO UNDERSTAND. I KNOW NOTHING OF AMERICAN-MONETARY POLICY. Mr. Livingston, PEOPLE LIKE ME, WHO ARE IGNORANT OF THIS ISSUE, GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT.

    • Eric Jones

      Chris he who belives everything he reads/hears knows nothing.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Eric Jones,”

        Bob Livingston WROTE A FANTASTIC ARTICLE; HE SAID SOME THINGS WHICH WERE INFORMATIVE. Mr. Jones, IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE Mr. Livingston, WHY ARE YOU ON HIS SITE? Mr. Jones, ARE YOU CAPABLE OF GIVING Mr. Livingston A COMPLEMENT?

  • FreedomFighter

    Bankers make more in one day of war than they do in one year of peace.

    Dont remember to whom this quote belongs, but I believe they provide the bankers motivations. Like all greedy monsters they care not who dies for the profit.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Freedom Fighter your 100% right on that one, however there is no way out of this other than to have uprisings like in Syria , You can vote untill you stop sucking air and it well change nothing because the pupit masters well only let you vote for who they let run .

  • Michael J.

    Dear Bob,
    It is hard to reconcile the fact that the sacrifices made by our fathers and grandfathers who participated in the world wars was based on a lie. Even though they/we have been deceived, our good faith efforts to keep America free and live the “American Dream” was willfully put forth with the purest intentions and shall not be deminished by the descendants of the money changers.

  • Michael J.

    Question is, which Rothschild sock puppet has been slated to carry on this global ponzi scheme, Obama or Romney, and does it matter? Will the next four year mission to drive the elites agenda proceed slowly in maintenance mode under Romney, or at light speed under Obama?

    • DaveH

      Don’t let the Morgans, the Rockfellers, and who knows whatever other US Bankers off the hook, Michael.

      • TIME

        Dear Dave,

        And saddly – thats just the tip of the ice burg.

        You should all also look into; “Lyndon LaRouche” and what he had to say about not only Bankers; but the methods of how all wars we as a nation have been involved with got started.
        As in – The Who’s, the Why’s, the When’s, the Where’s.

        If you don’t know whom your enemy is, your bound to loose.
        If you don’t know what your enemys goals are, again your bound to loose.
        Learn the Who’s, the Why’s, the when’s, and then the Where’s will all fit in place and the Puzzel will become clear.

        Peace and Love

    • Sarah R.

      The Rockefellers and Rothschilds have been perpetrating this scheme since 1950. We were asleep. I was. I didn’t see all this coming but now I’m awake and aware. they have infiltrated our unions, schools and government. We must be very careful now. Romney must be elected in order to get rid of obama. Then Romney must be watched carefully. In 2016 maybe, just maybe another George Washington will come along. Maybe, just maybe there is hope.

      • Vlad

        Hope is in Ron Paul but people are stupid to realize that

        • truesoy

          Viad;

          Both you, and sarah are nuts. Electing anyone of those two is not the wisest idea.
          Stick to Obama, he has done no harm, and he is the better choice for our country.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

          • Vlad

            Obama good choice? Obama who signed NDAA? Would you mind and do little research on Ron Paul:
            First of all if you go to google ad words / keyword tool to check how much is Ron Paul searched online you will get the number 3.350.000 what is twice as much as Obama got (1.830.000). So if you know the fact that anybody in the world know who is Obama and can easy googled him and if you know that Ron Paul is worldwide invisible by media, there is the question how is that possible. There is the question why mainstream media hide that info from the public and represent Ron Paul as unelectable, old, funny, insane, dangerous, isolationist.
            The answer is: he want to audit the Federal Reserve and expose the true to the people of America and World. He is constantly attacked/blocked by media from that simple reason, media don’t want people to be informed about the fact that they are lied about all important worldwide issues, from politics, monetary policy, global worming to the truth behind wars which killed millions of innocent people around the World.
            Here is good way to be well informed about Ron Paul and his issues:
            Dailypaul.com
            Reality check
            Freedom watch (canceled)
            Ronpaulflix.com
            Ronpaul2012.com (official campaign web site)
            or just google ron paul

          • noz cavan

            Obama sign into law, the NDAA, HR 347, NDRP. G.BUSH JR SIGN PATRIOT ACT. THE CRAZY SUPREME ROBERTS COURT, VOTED OK, TO STRIP AND SEARCH- ANY TIME, ANYWHERE AND FOR ANYTHING. All these insane laws are to suspend,the constitution, bill of Rights and Declaration of Independance. ” MARTIAL LAW ” will rule the country because of Wall Street and Banks claim they are too big to fail. that cause the economy to fail, 99% are being punished from the bail outs to wall Street and Banks.

          • truesoy

            Viad;

            To audit the Federal Reserve maybe it is not such a bad idea, yet, Ron Pul’s ideas by the most part are over the edge, though I agree with him that we have too many military bases overseas.
            As far as the NDAA is concern it only extends and/or builds on the Patriot Act. This baby was hatched by the Bush administration, and sadly extended by the Obama administration .
            Had Obama not done it, he would have been branded weak on defense by the republicans as they were already accusing him of not being an american, and that he was an illegal alien from Kenya, and that he was a secret muslim than wanted to destroy our country, and now they add that he is a communist. But a ‘God believing communist?’ And lets not forget the one going around too, that Obama is preparing to declare ‘martial law’ if he was to lose the election and to that effect FEMA is building hundreds of ‘secret concentration camps to put us in it. Well I guess they are not so secret anymore, right?. Go figure; but there are people outthere who are not too bright and would believe anything.
            There is a certain element of the electorate and from within the political establishment (mainly republican) that don’t like him and they intend to use him as a ‘xmas tree’ for they will hang on him whatever they can because they know somebody out there will believe it.
            The other point I want to make is that regardless of anything you might think, the ‘patriot act’ and anything to do with it, no president would have abolished it, not even Ron Paul. What you give to the government, it’s the government’s to keep; although I still hope that if elected to a second term, Obama will not extend it. He should know better, he was a constitutional law professor.
            On the other hand, if Romney was to be elected, the role and purpose of government will become the tool of the few; and the Patriot Act will continue to grow, and so will be the size of government, and the transfer of wealth to overseas entities will grow beyond our imagination..
            Ps.- regardless of the propaganda to the contrary, Obama has shrunk the size of the Federal Government workforce and reduced many unnecessary military expenditures, even in the face of hardcore republican opposition.
            Again I repeat, Obama isthe best choice.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Vlad

            Truesoy, it is amazing how so many people try to justified Obama on his failing policy like as it is not his mistake, when he become president the country was already in wars and economic crises, he wants but he can’t make congress and senate to listen to him, his hands are locked and so on… His hands are locked but his fingers are free to sign the extension of Patriot Act – NDAA for 2012. His hands are locked but he still supported undermining personal liberty with NDAA, new Tree pass bill, restriction of free Internet, gun control too. He may publicly opposing gun control bill but he will sign it the same as he publicly opposed NDAA but he signed it. He may publicly opposing everything what can bring his reputation in question but he will sign all it when the paper is ready on his desk, he will because he is on the banksters side, he is paid from them, he works for them, he is part of the corrupt system, he is the evil, he is not the best choice but better than other as you wrote. He is the same as others, just much smarter what make him more dangerous actually. If he is not all that I just wrote he will use his power and rights as President and block unconstitutional bills, he will fight the congress and the senate on the way that people will stand behind him and fight together until they win and congress/senate obey to the people/Obama. He will fight the corruption, he will expose the lies by mainstream media, further, he will expose and fight (as he as president supposed to do and should do) ongoing vote/delegate fraud in GOP race for President against Ron Paul and protect him and right of the people who supported Ron Paul voting for him and becoming delegates. But he doesn’t do anything of that, instead of supporting the people rights he support those who are “too big to fail” , Ron Paul is the biggest treat to Obama itself because the Federal Reserve System Ron Paul is fighting and Obama are on the same side. Further more Democrats and Republicans the same as Romney and Obama are just two sides of the same coin, the whole system is rigged and people fooled by the banksters elite. One of the few fighting for real changes is Ron Paul. He is the champion of the freedom and constitution itself. Even been constantly marginalized, blocked and fight by the system (politicians, government. media, banks, …) his message of liberty and exposing the corruption and the system based on lies reached many people and it is rising, rLOVEution is groving and will not be stopped. This is why Obama didn’t protect people being cheated by GOP, this is why you have NDAA, efforts to restrict the Internet, new tree pass bill, gun control bill in progress , FEMA camps and so on, the system is preparing for violence on the street, better to say people revolt, better to say the ongoing biggest revolution World will see in the modern history. And Ron Paul will be recognized as the biggest revolutionist of our time, it will be Ron Paul revolution with or without him, it will be revolution against the whole cheated system with Federal Reserve System at the top of it and elite hidden behind its walls.
            Truesoy, you wrote ” Ron Pul’s ideas by the most part are over the edge, though I agree with him that we have too many military bases overseas.”, sorry but it is unacknowledged writing, it is not about issues on education system or medical care or social care, it is about fight for freedom and liberty, fight for people rights supposed to be protected by constitution, fight against media’s lies and manipulation, fight against corrupted system and government controlled by special interest of people in power behind the FED. Anyway, which Ron Paul’s ideas are over the edge? Is the constitution over the edge? Is any Ron Paul ides not strongly and strictly based in constitution itself? Do you know why NDAA for 2012, new Tree pass bill, gun control, Obama care and so on are unconstitutional, I mean how those bills break constitution and undermine personal liberty? If no you should study constitution and its bill of rights. It is so simple written!

          • truesoy

            Viad;

            Please, het ahold of yourself; there are no FEMA camps to put the citizens s/oppsition to government in it, besides why would the government need FEMACamps when it has enough military bases that could do the same. Now do you see the stupidity of that argument. It is an insult to your intelligence to believe the ones feeding you that.
            Obama/Government is not coming for your guns, either.
            And yes, although I still support Obama’s reelection, I too was disappointed at him for ce to extending the Patriot Act. He was a constitutional law professor and therefore he should have known better, but specially because he was opposed to it prior to being elected president.
            Ps.- one more thing about FEMA Camps. Just think, not only how much money it would take to set them up, but also think about the cost for the up keep/mantaining vacant sites, and how would they get this money if not from Congress? To do this in secret as you guys believe, Congress (both houses) would have to be in the loop.
            And one more thing. If this is so secretive, how do guys know?
            Please, use common sense.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Doug

            Truesoy, I have to put you in the category of the willfully ignorant. Do some research on FEMA camps and you will find there are several regional camps, with the barbed wire facing in, that is to keep the occupants (I think that means prisoners) inside. Jesse Ventura did some work on this expose’. It makes no difference what party you affiliate yourself with, both are complicit in this.
            As for Barack being a constitutional law professor: Just because he taught (loose term, here) the constitution, doesn’t mean he believes in it. How many socialists / communists do you think BELIEVE in our constitution?
            Trust and obey the government. They have proven themselves. Haven’t they?

          • truesoy

            Doug;
            …and if nutty conspiracy theories is what you are into, and I believe you are, then Infowars is the website for you.
            Infowars will satisfy the most nutty of your ‘nuttiest’ fantasies, I guaranty it.
            Enjoy.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Vlad

            Well, we use the internet. this is why US government is constantly trying to censor the internet.
            About FEMA camps, Ron Paul itself explained that ” THEY’RE SETTING UP THE STAGE FOR VIOLENCE IN THIS COUNTRY, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT”
            Here is the youtube link, check it itself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4_qw3pAtX8
            How can we trust him?
            Well the 3/4 of the Congress just expressed their trust in Ron Paul when they a few days ago passed Ron Paul’s historical bill he was working on for more decades: “Audit the FED bill”.
            He is also running for Presidency in GOP race and he is 12 therms Congressmen from Texas. He can’t speak (expletive deleted) just like that

    • Farleyagain

      Both.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.papich.9 Michael Papich

    Thanks Bob. Forty years ago there was a booklet entitled: Billions for the bankers brings war,debt and taxes. You are talking about the truth thereof.

  • Ron

    There are secret societies with evil people with whom we will never know their names that orchestrate major events in this world. The masses are just puppets and victims of their evil schemes. Watch out for the Jesuits in the Catholic Church. They are an evil, scheming group of people. Wolves in sheeps clothing always appearing as good but plot and scheme every chance they get in creating turmoil.

    • DaveH

      Why is it that the Liberals so vehemently oppose religion? Is it the Commandment “Thou Shalt not Steal”, that spurs their animosity? Or, is it just the preaching of morality in general by religions?

      • Dave67

        Liberals aren’t opposed to religion, we are opposed to state sanctioned religion (see Saudi Arabia)

        I wish conservatives could understand the difference but then that would require critical thought.

      • DaveH

        No, Liberals, especially the hard-core Progressives oppose religion. Why else would they so fanatically attack prayer in school? And if you’re going to use the same old separation of state nonsense, show me where in the Constitution that is stated.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        Once again, you are lying. Progressives have no issue with you believing in any religion you wish. The issue becomes when the state gets involved with religion, as history has proven over and over again, nothing good EVER comes from it.

        Christians can’t even get their story straight over which version of Christianity is the right one. There are over 50M Catholics, 15M Mormons and so on… There are also 52M Atheists (which I do not understand with how something that you cannot prove one way or the other a person can be atheist)

        Keep religion where it belongs, in the home, in the church, temple etc…

        Keep it out of Gov.

        The founding fathers were pretty clear they did not want a state sponsored religion.

        And don’t give me this morality BS about the country has gone down because of the 10 commandments being off schools either. Because there was some nasty immoral crap going on in this country since its beginning. Some of the morally challenged even used the bible to justify the slaughter of the indigenous people this land and slavery.

      • DaveH

        No Dave67, YOU are lying (as usual).
        What has the state got to do with prayer in schools?
        Where in the Constitution does it say there can’t be prayer in schools? The First Amendment does say — “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. Get it? “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”?
        I am an atheist, and I know you’re full of it, Dave67.
        Not only full of it, but evil.

      • DaveH

        Once again, Dave67 fabricates fact to support his claims.
        Dave67 says — “There are also 52M Atheists”.
        52 million atheists? And you got that info where, lying Liberal?
        http://www.numberof.net/number-of-atheists-in-america/

      • DaveH

        Here is a typical illogical statement from the ignorant but outspoken Dave67 — “I do not understand with how something that you cannot prove one way or the other a person can be atheist”.
        Duh, the burden of proof is on the person who claims that something exists that we can not see, hear, touch, smell, or taste. Are you really that ignorant, Dave67?

      • Dave67

        I mis-spoke… 50 Million secularists

        http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2011/10/gingrich-says-atheists-cant-be-trusted-disregards-50-million-secular-americans/

        I can at least admit when I mis-speak… I doubt if you have every been wrong in your life.

      • DaveH

        Dave67,
        I said — “Progressives oppose religion. Why else would they so fanatically attack prayer in school?”.
        You said I was lying.
        So, perhaps you could enlighten us, and tell us who it is that is fanatically attacking prayer in school? The Conservatives? The NeoConservatives?

      • Dave67

        DaveH says

        “Why is it that the Liberals so vehemently oppose religion?”

        care to revise your BS statement?

        First we oppose religion, when I tell you that you are lying and why…

        Then you say why we oppose school prayer…. as if that is the same thing as we oppose religion…

        Your nonsense has been exposed again as just that… nonsense…

        I do not send my children to be endoctrinated in someone else’s religion. Teaching religion or not is MY decision not the public schools.

        Careful DaveH, your religious dogma slip is starting to show

        • Jeff

          Conservatives crave the freedom to impose their religion and their guns on the rest of us. But God forbid they should have to countenance 2 gay guys getting married even though they never have to witness what they do. Freedom is a funny concept to conservatives. It seems to apply more to big business than to individuals.

      • Deerinwater

        Jeff says, ” Freedom is a funny concept to conservatives. It seems to apply more to big business than to individuals.”

        It would seem, so is “Conservationism” , to a right winger, conservatism seems to be seen as something that you apply to “others” for ones own sake.

      • DaveH

        You have failed to justify your accusation of my lying, Dave67. But you will keep trying, won’t you? It is a typical Liberal/Progressive manipulative technique to accuse their accuser of the same defects as they have been exposed to have by their accusers. But the problem is that you need to convince the impartial readers that you are correct in your rebound accusations. Good luck with that.
        I’ve caught you in at least 4 solid lies, Dave67, two of which you claimed were mistaken comments on your part. Sure. The reality is that you were pinned down, so you took the only way out.
        You have no credibility on this board, Dave67. You are obviously just here to disrupt discussions of Freedom, and will use whatever underhanded techniques available in an attempt to achieve your goal. But unlike real life, where your victims have no proof of your verbal abuse, here your statements have longevity and can come back to haunt you.
        Pay attention, Folks, because these are the people who want to run your life.

      • DaveH

        Jeff says — “Conservatives crave the freedom to impose their religion and their guns on the rest of us. But God forbid they should have to countenance 2 gay guys getting married even though they never have to witness what they do. Freedom is a funny concept to conservatives. It seems to apply more to big business than to individuals”.
        You have no idea what you’re talking about, Jeff. Conservatives believe in Constitutional law as established by our Founders. You are talking about NeoConservatives who are really just right-wing Liberals/Progressives who advocate Big Government. The Political Entrepreneurs love you guys. They play both sides, left and right, for the fools they are, while they secretly pick your pockets and live the high life.
        True Conservatives extend Freedom to all people — including Business Owners (the Market Entrepreneurs, not the Political Entrepreneurs).
        As long as the Political Entrepreneurs can keep you fools arguing with each other, they will keep winning as their protective Big Government just keeps growing.
        And nobody is “imposing” their guns on you. We just want to protect ourselves. If you want to be helpless, feel free. Just butt out of our decisions.

        • Jeff

          Excuse me. When you buy an assault rifle, then sell it at a gun show (I know the current shooter didn’t buy at a gun show.) to some wacko who uses it to mow down a bunch of people, it’s being imposed on all of us. When your candidate says it (the gun problem) is a problem for individuals, not government, the gun is being imposed on all of us. What are we supposed to do individually – wear bulletproof vests everywhere? Hire private security to go to the movies? All so some gun nut can use military weapons to hunt birds? Now tell us how your assault weapon is going to protect you from the Government or how your gun will make the difference the next time there’s a deranged, heavily-armed shooter out there.

          I don’t care how you interpret the 2nd amendment. But it makes little sense if it means anybody can walk the streets with the kinds of weapons soldiers are using in Afghanistan.

      • truesoy

        DaveH,

        Before there was a Bible, and before there was religion, stealing was not acceptable. Have you ever thought that probably the “you shall not steal’ was written into the Bible because it was not an acceptable behaviour, rather than the other way around?
        It is so preposterous at best, and/or so idiotic at worse for you to suggest that we are a rligion nation because of any of the commandments, and thus what you are really saying is that if not for religion to tell you what’s wrong or right, you wouldn’t know.
        UHHHH, maybe it didn’t work quite that way for th child molesters in the catholic priesthood. Any ideas why?
        Please, get real.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

    • Fronty

      Yes today that name is George Soros and what has Bob or anyone else done to stop Him,He owns our media and He owns our President…He told Obama to bypass congress and Go to the UN,those treaties he is signing are not reversible,He told Obama to use executive order and has done so more than any President, you all gave the secret society the Keys to the White House and the Radicals are Having a Party on the fools before they end the world as we know it…they will divide the world up so each power hungry tyrant gets his share!

      • DaveH

        Bob can do no more than lead the donkeys to the water. He can’t make them drink it.

  • Fred762

    Un-backed paper money is the modern equivalent of the old game of kings: clipping the coin of the realm, only easier and slicker as we have NO circulating coins with which to compare value. For a thorough discussion of “fractional reserve banking” google Dr Stu Crane and listen to some of his talks on the subject..informative and easy to comprehend style!!

    • DaveH

      Or you could just read the book I linked to in my first comment.

      • Homer

        Or you could just read the book: The Creature From Jekyll Island. It spells it out how Wilson and Co. allowed the Federal Bank to be created and we have been enslaved to it ever since.

      • DaveH

        Yep, but the one I linked to is Free, and it outlines the History of Banking manipulation since the beginning of the country up to the Great Depression.

      • Bill

        By leading the donkey to water you are letting him make the choice drink or die. Otherwise he has no choice.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        Wilson was a liberal boot licker for the Zionist !

      • Oneguess

        Ah, “Jimmy The (antisemite) Greek speaks! It’s the Zionists! Watch out! (…and I thought it was all Bush’s fault…)

  • Paul Farrar

    Thank you Bob,
    People like G. Edward Griffin and Henry Makow have been trying to get this same truth out for years but most people would just rather remain ignorant.
    It was the scribes, Pharisees, and MONEY CHANGERS of the temple who conspired to murder the Savior of mankind, Jesus the Christ, the son of God. They are the only ones that Jesus ever got really angry with. They only succeeded temporarily, and God is soon going to judge them permanently.
    “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of the heavens.”

    • S.C.Murf

      Amen Paul, Thank You for the input. To stop and think about what lays ahead and the judgements that will be taking place, makes the hair on the back of my neck stand on end, can one say HOLY SPIRIT?

      up the hill
      airborne

    • http://norman@cates-family.com Norman F.

      Paul I think you leave someone out in your list of those who killed Jesus. That Person is Jesus, himself. The Bible (sorry to mention a banned Book) says that Jesus, against the wishes of his followers (Matthew 16;21 and others) went to Jerusalem knowing that He would be killed.

      • Joe Myrick

        So did the Apostle Paul, when he appealed to Cesear. Jesus taught; “greater love hath no man than he who lay down his life for his friends”. This only makes sense to those who have acquired the understanding of what they accomplished.

  • Bill Ritter

    The term Banksters is really crappy leftist propaganda and I am surprised by a conservative attacking all Banks (although he eventually qualifies it as being the central banks/Fed). I served for 21 years in the AF, banks don’t start wars and they provide money to all types of ventures. They borrow money from the Fed and eventually have to pay it back, they also borrow money from you if you deposit nmoney and you expect it to be kept secure and in more normal times earn profit through the interest. Tying this to war is nonsense. Lots of wars have happened prior to central banks or the Fed. Did we enter WWII because of banks, how about WWI? Our recent banking fiasco was caused by the CRA (Community Reinvestment Act). It was passed in 1975 but rewritten by the Clinton Admin adding quotas, which forced banks to do subprime loans to service the poor (ever heard of a NINJA loan), which undermined the whole banking system. When the Clinton Admin sued Bank of America for not doing enough subprime loans – Cuomo admitted to a reporter that it would undermine the safety and security of the banking system, but it would be OK because it would be spread around. It took 10 years till the banks were saturated with crappy mortgages that they were forced to make. We all paid in the end. Bill in Ohio

    • http://www.facebook.com/michael.papich.9 Michael Papich

      The US got into World War to bailout our bankers who had loaned to England.

      • Vigilant

        “The US got into World War to bailout our bankers who had loaned to England.”

        Absolute poppycock!

        The UK took over 60 years to repay their wartime loans. I’d say that a war that they knew would cost billions to the US would have been a piss-poor decision if it were prosecuted just to get a speedy repayment of loans.

        It’s like saying we went to war in Iraq just to enrich the oil magnates. We spent TRILLIONS on that war, and postwar oil production there is STILL below the Iran-Iraq war levels.

    • Dale

      Bill in Ohio is correct. The US was on the gold standard during both world wars, korea and Viet Nam. I don’t say that the bankers are without blame, but they didn’t assasinate an ambassador, or invade Poland.

      • Bill

        With enough money they don’t have to, just hire someone.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        They invaded Poland to get back German territory that was given to Poland after WW-1 .

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      You write: “The term Banksters is really crappy leftist propaganda and I am surprised by a conservative attacking all Banks (although he eventually qualifies it as being the central banks/Fed).” Please begin your education here:
      http://personalliberty.com/2011/12/19/blame-bush-blame-obama-but-dont-look-behind-the-curtain/
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/01/23/the-best-president-money-can-buy/
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/02/20/goldman-sachs-shadow/
      http://personalliberty.com/2011/11/21/10-certainties/
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/04/20/federal-reserve-corruption-coming-to-light/

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Vigilant

        “Do Banksters Kill Millions Of People?” Mr. Livingson, with all due respect, your headline is off the mark. The answer is “no, they do not.”

        Money doesn’t kill people, people kill people. It is the politicians and miltary strategists who make the decisions on prosecuting wars. Money simply greases the skids, facilitating the political and military decisions already made.

        I’m reminded of W.C. Fields, who had a blind and unrelenting hatred of banks. The categorical condemnation of banks fails to recognize that it was through these necessary evils that commerce and manufacturing were built in the world. While Alexander Hamilton’s dream has been bent all out of shape by the pressures of war and social spending in this country, you can’t throw out the baby with the bathwater. Blaming Hamilton is like the incessant “blame Bush” mantra of the left, which seeks to ascribe sole fault to a president for which his successor wildly accelerated his failed policies. It doesn’t wash.

        There are a number of bumper stickers out there that should be recalled, if we are to believe your assertion. I’m speaking of “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” Banksters provide money as a means to an end. Gun shop owners provide weapons as a means to an end. The gun shop owners did not kill those people in Aurora, CO, James Holmes did. And banksters did not kill millions of people. Evil dictators and the good men who fought them killed millions of people.

    • DaveH

      Bill says — “Did we enter WWII because of banks, how about WWI?”.
      Maybe, Maybe not. But neither of those wars could have been financed without the easy credit of the Federal Reserve. Thus, the Leaders, whether they liked or not (most likely not), would not have been able to enter those wars unless they convinced the Mainstream Americans to pony up the costs. Sure, the Mainstream Americans were on the hook for the bill, but most were ignorant of that fact, and it’s always easier to buy things we can’t really afford with borrowed money.

    • LIBOR

      The CRA was a diversionary tactic to make us think it was the sole cause of the 2008 banking crisis, the true cause of the 2008 too big too fail extortion was the deregulation from Clinton at the end of his treasonous presidency, Rubin removed the safeguards put in place after the first great depression, which were the Sherman Anti Trust act and The Glass Steagall act. The present LIBOR scandal is going to be the clear and present danger threatening the whole central banking ponzi scheme, hang on folks it’s going to be a bumpy ride in the next couple of months or years. Oh and by the way the bank that financed Hitler was owned and operated by Prescott Bush, he was the grandfather of George dubiya Bush. The Bank for the banks the Bank of international settlements was originally a Nazi run Rothschild backed institution, and one more thing, the catholic church is monetarily the largest single institution on the planet and the Rothschild dynasty stores it’s massive stockpile of gold in the labyrinth of underground catacombs where infant skeletal remains can be found from the nuns that killed their babies in shame, a suitable companion I think for all the blood money the Rothschilds have accumulated over the centuries. By the way most of the military industries and Rothschild/Rockefeller criminal banking Mafioso that own and run this country are located within a 60 mile radius of D.C. The Federal Reserve is complicit with the massive criminal activity at the very top.

      • DaveH

        Government provides protection for their Crony Capitalists, not for the people.
        The Glass-Steagall Act was merely the result of two powerful politically connected banking groups, the Rockefellers and the Morgans, duking it out using the Government as their bully boys. The Morgans lost. Read the section “BANKING AND FINANCIAL LEGISLATION:
        1933–1935″ (page 308) in this book to learn more:
        http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

    • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

      Bill Ritter
      Read your history. Start with William of Orange. The fractional reserve crowd even back then facilited the monachs and emporers lust for war and power. These ‘banksters’ made it possible for the already rich and powerful to have more and bigger wars. Increased geo-political destabilization, higher body counts. Look at Precott Bush’s involvement with the central bank crowd before, during and after WWII. Look at the Cecil Rhodes connection to Fabian Socialism and the ‘people’ who forced the Federal Reserve on the world. It’s all there to see if you but open your eyes!

    • Jim C.

      Whew!! After reading this article, and the posts following it, I thought I had slipped into an alternative universe detached from reality. Thanks, Bill, for a fresh breath of sanity, and some actual facts.

      • Me

        The Rothschild s have been pitting one side against the other for centuries, they have motive and much to gain. This tactic has been used tried and true for thousands of years why should we be surprised? These inbred, super rich, diabolical individuals think differently than the rest of us, they are truly evil geniuses that must be exposed for whom they really are a parasite and cancer to the host the human race.

    • Jim C.

      Bill: Thanks for explaining the facts behind the financial crisis of 2008! It’s good to get some information based on reality.

  • Earth

    The real reason for the War on Germany was not to keep the Nazi’s out of Europe, but to keep the Jewish Banks in business.
    Hitler sidelined the Jewish Banks, and created a barter trade system.
    Two weeks after Hitler was in power, the Jews declared War on Germany.
    See http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html
    The war was not about Hitler, or America or whatever.
    The war was a Jewish war for the Jew Banks.
    That is why JFK was murdered.
    JFK wanted to do away with the Jew Banks (the FED) and run a Government bank.
    It cost him his life.
    America is a British colony run by the Jews Rothschild and Rockefeller for their own personal interests.
    Rothschild controls global banking and Rockefeller global oil interests.

    • Vigilant

      “Two weeks after Hitler was in power, the Jews declared War on Germany.”

      Most interesting, since there was no soveriegn Jewish nation at the time, let alone a Jewish military force to engage in hostilities.

      • Homer

        Vigilant, You desparately need to read: The Creature From Jekyll Island. It will put it all together for you, if you can get a copy of it. I lays out the whole story from 1913 when the Fed was created on an island down in Georgia to the roller coaster ride the Banksters have been taking us on ever since.

      • Vigilant

        I’m fully aware of that meeting and what it led to. Now, what does that have to do with my comment?

      • Jimmy The Greek

        Google it Vigilant , you well see it on the front page of the London times , there is to much to put it here , Jews declare war on germany is all you have to type in and read .

      • Vigilant

        Google it Jimmy. You might want to check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_boycott_of_Jewish_businesses

        The declaration of war to which you refer was a figurative use of speech in a newspaper headline. In reality, it was a declaration of boycott, not a declaration of war.

        “Antisemitism in Germany grew increasingly respectable after the first world war and was most prevalent in the universities. By 1921, the German student union, the Deutschen Hochschulring, barred Jews from membership. Since the bar was racial, it included Jews who had converted to Christianity. The bar was challenged by the government leading to a referendum in which 76% of students voted for the exclusion.

        At the same time, Nazi newspapers began agitating for a boycott of Jewish businesses and anti-Jewish boycotts became a regular feature of 1920′s regional German politics with right-wing German parties becoming closed to Jews.

        From 1931-2 SA “brownshirt” thugs physically prevented customers from entering Jewish shops, windows were systematically smashed and Jewish shop owners threatened. In Christmas 1932, the central office of the Nazi party organized a nation-wide boycott. In addition German businesses, particularly large organizations like banks, insurance companies, and industrial firms such as Siemens, increasingly refused to employ Jews. Many hotels, restaurants and cafes barred Jews from entering and the resort island of Borkum banned Jews anywhere on the island. Such behaviour was common in pre-war Europe; however in Germany it reached new extremes.”

        The economic boycott against Germany was called in 1933. The brutality of the brownshirts and economic boycott of Jewish businesses occurred BEFORE the Jewish boycott. You have a problem with dates?

        EVEN IF IT WERE TRULY A “DECLARATION OF WAR,” DO YOU THINK THE MASS EXTERMINATION OF JEWS BY THE MILLIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED IN RESPONSE TO SUCH A TOOTHLESS DECLARATION?

        I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: you apologists for Naziism and deniers of the Holocaust are mentally ill.

      • Vigilant

        From http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html :

        “The March 24, 1933 issue of The Daily Express of London (shown above) described how Jewish leaders, in combination with powerful international Jewish financial interests, had launched a boycott of Germany for the express purpose of crippling her already precarious economy in the hope of bringing down the new Hitler regime. It was only then that Germany struck back in response. Thus, if truth be told, it was the worldwide Jewish leadership – not the Third Reich – that effectively fired the first shot.”

        Absolutely ridiculous proaganda. It’s been shown above already that Hitler’s brownshirts had been terrorizing Jews for at least two years before the delaration of boycott.

        The only lamentable thing about the boycott was that it did not succeed in “bringing down the new Hitler regime.” It’s too bad that it didn’t.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        Yes that happened ! After the jews called for a world wide boycott of German Goods , so get it right do tell only one side of the story !

      • Jimmy The Greek

        Vigilant it is kind of funny my info cones from the same place yours came from , however you just left out the part about the jews starting the crap first . How about reading down a little more to the part that tells about the deal the zionist made with hitler to only let the german jews take there wealth only if they moved to palestine . If you read all of it you well see what snakes the zionist are they were buddies with hitler until 1939 then turned on the Germans and went to licking the boots of the british .

        • Jeff

          Jimmy:

          Cut the crap! If George Wallace had been elected President in 1968, would the Blacks be faulted for insisting on boycotts given the President was an avowed racist? Would Wallace in any manner be justified in rounding up all Black people and putting them in concentration camps? Your post is the most idiotic justification for Nazism I’ve ever seen.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        Now what did governor Wallace do to get pulled in to this ? He was the best governor The state of Alabama Ever had . I used to go to Alabama a lot when he was Governor the place was spotless , He would have made a fine President

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        I WILL NEVER BELIEVE SIX MILLION HEBREWS WERE MURDERED IN NAZI GERMANY. THIS PROPAGANDA SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN SPREAD IN THE UNITED STATES. HEBREWS ARE AN INVISIBLE MINORITY IN THIS COUNTRY.

        • waltinseattle

          only in America can you write that trash!

          • truesoy

            waltinseattle;

            Apparently Christopher has no understanding nor the meaning of murder.
            And whether it was one thousand, or a million, or six millions, or ten millions, it is still mass murder!.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • waltinseattle

            apparently only the hand on the gas chambers and crematoriums were responsible for Nazi Germany. The good German officers were only sending down orders. I see that to some, whether 1 or 1 million, it is a fabrication. Why do we let children set in ?

          • truesoy

            waltinseattle;

            No. What Christopher writes is not the work of children because even children wouldn’t try to minimized such cruelty because they know better.
            What Christopher writes is the work of a confused and mentally impaired person.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Jeff

            Chris:

            I think you are very confused. You are parroting the Nazi line. The Nazis have been saying the same thing for the past 65+ years. Unfortunately, they will keep saying it long after all the eyewitnesses to their crimes have died. I don’t care what you personally believe. Reality is reality whether you accept it or not. If the Nazis ever achieve power here, rest assured you’ll be among the first to go regardless of your pro-Nazi views expressed here.

          • truesoy

            Jeff;

            I think Christopher has a twisted sense of whats right and wrong. But thanks to our freedom of speech, a constitutional right we all cherish, and rightfully so; he has the right to say whatever nonsense his amoeba like brain can produce (my apologies here for it is not often that I insult anyone in this manner).

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “truesoy,”

        WHEN YOU SEE FILM FOOTAGE ON NAZI GERMANY AND THE SO-CALLED, “Holocaust,” EVERYONE LOOKS “white;” THEREFORE, HOW CAN A NEGRO BELIEVE SIX MILLION HEBREWS WERE MURDERED?

        • Jeff

          Are you saying that Jews who don’t look sufficiently Semitic aren’t really Jews? 1,000 years of living in Europe, particularly in Russia-Poland, will do that. Many Jewish women raped by many Cossacks over a very long time can change the look of a people. Look at African Americans compared to Africans.

          • http://incerely, truesoy

            Jeff;

            …and if I could piggyback on your comment.
            After that many years in Europe they assimilated many european customs and practices, hence some of the accentuated differences between the European Jew and the Arab jew.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • waltinseattle

            you mean semetic jews, as are arabs semetic? My 1st was Sephardic. Natural blon, blue eyes, honey completion…a bit the nose, so do I through my Italian mother side. Rothschilds in U.K. tried to accentuate the differences between educated, mannered and well placed them….and the rabble from Russia flooding into the London pigstyes. A solution came about with shipping them back to the middle east, though fruition took a while.

            other thread…this is getting as low as what I remember the free republic site…yahoos and knownothings and clueless suppositions. Last post.. see yall elsewhere.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            waltinseattle, you can’t expect truesoy to give an educated answer. He wouldn’t know a real Jew if one came up and introduced himself. He doesn’t realize that Semites are Caucasians and not considered a race. There are many different skin and hair types for Jews including fair skin and red hair. This mix happened because…well…they mixed but they probably were almost always fair skinned. I will give truesoy credit for one thing: he won’t let anyone rewrite the history books on the Holocaust.

        • http://incerely, truesoy

          christopher;

          I don’t think that they were killed because of the color of their skin…………….You know that, right?

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Jeff,” “truesoy” AND “waltinseattle,”

        SIRS, IT IS NOT MY GOAL TO OFFEND CAUCASIAN HEBREWS. CAUCASIAN HEBREWS DO NOT UNDERSTAND NEGRO CHILDREN WERE NOT TOLD ABOUT THE “Holocaust” IN SCHOOL. NEGROES DID NOT HEAR THE WORD, “Nazi,” UNTIL THE LATE 1970s AND EARLY 1980s. THE WORD, “Holocaust,” IS LIKE A FAIRYTALE TO NEGROES.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “truesoy”

        SINCE YOU ARE DETERMINED TO TWIST MY WORDS, I WILL MAKE MYSELF PLAIN – NEGROES CONSIDER THE “Holocaust” TO BE PROPAGANDA. PERIOD. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME, ASK ANY NEGRO YOU KNOW “POINT BLANK” – “Do you believe six million Jews were killed in the ‘Holocaust?”

        • Jeff

          Chris:

          Don’t mistake what some people think for the truth. Half the people on this blog think Black people are inherently inferior to Whites. They are morons, but they believe it. Is that supposed to be persuasive in any way? I’m certain you are correct that many Black people who do not know history may believe that. Ask the more educated Black people you know. I think you’ll get a different answer.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Jeff,”

        SIR, THERE IS NO WAY I CAN MAKE YOU BELIEVE ME. AN EDUCATED NEGRO IS A MILLION TIMES MORE LIKELY TO LIE TO A CAUCASIAN BECAUSE HE/SHE WANTS TO CONTINUE RECEIVING “INVITATIONS TO THE COCKTAIL PARTY.” ON THE OTHER HAND, AN UNEDUCATED NEGRO IS MORE LIKELY TO TELL CAUCASIANS THE TRUTH BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY HAVE NO REALISTIC HOPE OF SOCIALIZING WITH CAUCASIANS.

        I AM ABLE TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH BECAUSE I AM ATHEIST; HEBREWS AND THE SO-CALLED, “Holocaust,” HAVE NO MEANING IN MY LIFE.

        • Jeff

          Read a history book by an actual historian. Stay away from polemics with an agenda other than enlightenment and information.

          • http://incerely, truesoy

            Jeff;

            The thought has crossed my mind that good ol’ friend christopher might be white trying to pretend he is black, or that he could be using another persons name. I googled the name just out of curiosity and that is what it seems like.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Jeff,”

        OBVIOUSLY, SIR, THIS TOPIC IS IMPORTANT TO YOU – IT IS NOT TO ME. THEREFORE, OUT OF COURTESY, I WILL LET YOU “WIN” THE DISCUSSION.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “truesoy,”

        SINCE YOU Googled MY NAME, GO BACK AND Google “CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON Amazon.com CUSTOMER DISCUSSIONS.” I AM A PRODUCT REVIEWER FOR Amazon.com – WHICH MEANS I HAVE PURCHASED ITEMS FROM Amazon WITH A CREDIT CARD THAT HAS MY NAME ON IT.

        I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE THINKING I AM NOT A REAL PERSON, JUST BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LIKE MY VIEWS. HOW JUVENILLE CAN YOU BE?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So Homer and yourself are part of some neo-nazi group and this site being open to Free Speech makes you predisposed to spew evil nonsense.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        I am part of no group ! I believe it the truth and can not stand the fact that just because some people don’t like what the truth has to say , they sweep it under the rug .

    • revnowwhilewecan

      They were and are Zionist’s. They have no allegiance to the Jews, Christians, Muslims or any other religion except the religion of money. They are Zionist’s in which some of whom have Jewish heritage but they could give a crap about any religious belief systems. People who make these assertions about “Jew banks” forget that Hitler, the Grand Mufti and America were funded by the Zionist’s who also had ties with the Vatican. The funding of wars has little to do with “Jews” and more to do with greedy banksters, all of which have different religious backgrounds. Not just Jewish owned.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        Glad you think so ! Its a club and if you are Goyim you don’t get in to the top level , But they well let you hang out and use you , and may even let you be president of the United States .

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “revnowwhilewecan,”

        HEBREWS HAVE A REPUTATION FOR BEING “SLICK” WITH MONEY. I HAVE ALWAYS HEARD HEBREWS CREATED THE $.99-PRICE TAG IN ORDER TO FOOL PEOPLE INTO BELIEVING THE ONE PENNY SAVINGS FROM A $1-PRICE TAG IS A GREAT DEAL. SALES TAX ON $.99 AND $1 ARE THE SAME. I DO NOT TRUST HEBREWS.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

      Dan Mancuso to Earth…
      Your somewhat strident diatribe against Jews – I’m not calling you an anti-Semite – has several facts in it. The ‘Jewish banking conspiracy’ is merely a diversionary tactic to take the heat off of who really runs the world – just like the so-call ‘anti-Semitic hoax’ that the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion’ has been mislabeled.. Yeah there are Jews involved but this conspiracy is about the ancient bloodlines that have ruled this planet and it’s power centers for a long time. They do it by controling the money AND the money system. To paraphrase that Rothschild bankster. ‘I don’t care what the laws are, give me the power to control the money and I’ll control the world’!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

        As an after thought, a very good read on the JFK assasination was by Micheal Collins-Piper I think it was called “The Final Solution” He is labeled an anti-Semite. One of the eight or so reasons JFK was bumped off had to do with him getting rid of the Federal reserve and printing Greenbacks.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        And that LBJ was a fundelmest Christin ,” The born again type ” that are easy for the mossad to control , Because they think right or wrong they must stand with israel even if the jews were eating babies . As soon as LBJ took over he give israel every thing they wanted and even let them try and sink the USS Liberty so he could blame it in Egypt and help the zionist in there war.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Earth you done your homework ! glad to see other’s on here are not afraid to call it as it is , Now get ready for what comes your way for speaking the truth !

    • mark

      The ludicrous, paranoid, and ahistorical fantasies on this websites have reached new heights today. Evil bankers were behind all wars and there was no difference between Nazi Germany and the United States in their conduct of World War II? With such hysterical, ludicrous lies, it is little wonder the libertarian movement is such a total joke with zero chance of ever holding real political power

      • DaveH

        You’re the joke, Mark, making your accusations without the slightest shred of evidence to back you up, just the emotional rah rah rah of an attendee at a football game.

    • Jeff

      ARE YOU F*&^ing kidding me or what? Perhaps the Jews could read and knew what Hitler had in mind for them. Mein Kampf was readily available. I know, the Jews said mean things about Hitler’s moustache so he attempted to exterminate the entire Jewish population of Europe. I think it noteworthy that not included iamong the dead were the actual leading Rothschilds. Hitler did get financing from them as money always speaks louder than blood or morality.

  • Chester

    Funny, I see NO mention of what Hitler was doing to Europe before we got involved in that mess, and Bob, what makes YOU think we had much choice about leaving Uncle Joe in charge of Russia. I suppose you would have been just as happy to be speaking German now, and saluting every pair of black knee boots you saw coming down the street? For a fact, Hitler was planning to invade the US, and would have if we hadn’t jumped in and kept him out of Britain. All of you need to look at more than just who had the money, as even we here in the US were providing guns and ammunition to both sides in the European side of things until we lost a ship or two sending stuff to England. The Japanese were what actually got us into the role of belligerent when they did their Pearl Harbor thing.

    • DaveH
    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Chester,

      Your understanding of WWII is very limited. I suggest you study some more history. Aside from the Roosevelt propaganda machine, almost no one in the U.S. believed Germany had any designs on the U.S.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Dave67

        Bob,

        Hitler would have invaded us eventually. His immediate plan was to isolate the United States and take over Europe, Northern Africa and Western Asia. His ego and is disdain for “impure” races like Americans would have brought him overt here sooner or later. Plus he liked our resources as well. But he did have an immediate plan to attack the US.

        WW2 was caused indirectly by Frances and England’s desire to weaken Germany after WW1 financially and militarily because they were scared of what Germany could do. Germany did not start WW1 yet they were saddled with most of the bill. The harsh economic conditions laid the groundwork for the ultra-right wing NAZI party to take hold. Its situations like this that should give us pause before we go to war and how we deal with the aftermath. “To the winner goes the spoils” leads to serious blowback.

      • DaveH

        As usual, Dave67 just fabricates facts out of thin air by saying — “But he [Hitler] did have an immediate plan to attack the US”.
        In fact, Hitler didn’t want to get the United States involved in the war. But eventually he had no choice because we were aiding Great Britain.
        For those who want to know some truth, read this section — “The Undeclared Battle of the Atlantic” (page 63), in this book:
        http://mises.org/books/pearl_harbor_greaves.pdf

        From that section — “On the other side of the Atlantic, Adolf Hitler was taking great pains to avoid a clash with the United States. On April 25 he cautioned his naval forces that “all incidents with American ships be avoided.””.

      • Dave67

        Sorry, I meant did NOT have an immediate plan

      • DavidO

        Bob, I’m sure you know this, but I believe that others may not remember IF they ever learned it in high school but the US didn’t declare war on Germany, Germany declared war on us after we declared war on Japan following its attack on Pearl Harbor. To say that Bankers have caused every war in the last hundred years because we weren’t on the gold standard is intellectually dishonest. In the first place, we were on the gold standard until 1973. Secondly, to accept that argument would be to accept those against the private ownership of firearms that guns cause violent crime.

        Did banks fund wars? Yes. Did they cause them? No more than guns (or anything else that’s ever been used as a weapon to assault another person) cause violent crime. It certainly wasn’t any bankers who fought the wars. It wasn’t bankers who murdered 6 million Jews, Gypsies, etc. in Nazi Germany, nor the100 + million more that have been murdered in many other countries in the last century under dictators like Stalin, Mao & Pol Pot to name a few. I do find it rather strange that Japanese soldiers were never tried for war crimes and genocide they carried out in Nanking, China for example. If you haven’t please read “The Rape of Nanking.”

        I do not believe that the US should be the policeman of the world, but in WWII once Germany chose to declare war on us then should USGIs have simply ignored the Nazi Death Camps? Should the Nazi soldiers, commanders and leaders have been given a pass? I don’t think so, but if you do that’s your opinion and I will fight anyone to the death to protect it.

        There was a central bank in 1861, using your logic the bankers caused the American Civil War and the Mexican War and the American Revolution before that. Why not just blame bankers on ALL wars that have ever been fought since there have been banks? It would make as much sense as saying they have caused all wars in the last hundred years.

      • Dale left coast

        @Dave67 . . . . “ultra-right wing NAZI party to take hold.” . . . . Hitler was a SOCIALIST . . . the NAZI party was an acronim for National Socilalist Workers Party . . . not much “right-wing” here . . . Fascism was invented by Mussolini who was a huge fan of Marx and Engles, it is communism light.

      • Dave67

        Dale,

        Can you tell me the difference between ultra-left and ultra-right as far as how they govern?

        Don’t go off into a tangent… What differentiates them?

      • Dave67

        Dale,

        Some more background

        Right-Wing Extremism: History, Organisations, Ideology

        (Stiftung Dokumentationsarchiv des österreichischen Widerstandes / Anti-Defamation League (ed.): Brigitte Bailer-Galanda / Wolfgang Neugebauer, Incorrigibly Right. Right-Wing Extremists, “Revisionists” and Anti-Semites in Austrian Politics Today, Vienna-New York 1996, p. 5-21)

        Preliminary Remarks: What is Right-Wing Extremism?

        The Development of Right-Wing Extremism After 1945

        The Organizational Structure of Right-Wing Extremism

        The Ideology, Propaganda and Practice of Right-Wing Extremism
        Preliminary Remarks:
        What is Right-Wing Extremism?

        The following contribution is a short summary of the standard work on the Austrian extreme Right, Handbuch des österreichischen Rechtsextremismus (handbook of Austrian right-wing extremism), which was issued by our archive and published in its third, revised edition in 1994. In the following we adhere to the definition of extreme right-wing extremism – with its central elements “national community” (Volksgemeinschaft) and “integral nationalism” – postulated in that volume by university lecturer Willibald Holzer. Volksgemeinschaft is depicted therein as the fictional idea of a natural, harmonious order set in a patriarchal mould and offered as an alternative to modern industrial society. Other ideologies, or any attempts to disturb this – sometimes enforced – harmony, are rejected as being harmful and “unnatural:” conflicts between political parties, liberalism, the labour movement, moves to afford women equal rights, etc. The contrasting range of desirable structures include the State strong in home and foreign affairs, and a labour market defined as a performance-orientated community. From the idea of a community of one people and one culture (Volks- und Kulturgemeinschaft), which the Austrian extreme Right always defines as being “German,” springs a type of (German) nationalism based on “biological” and racist premises. These, in turn, spawn an exculpating and trivialising view of the history of National Socialism. Xenophobia and racism derive from such a biologically- based concept of “one people.” It follows that dissatisfaction and aggression are directed against construed “images of the enemy” (Feindbilder), which serve for attacks against scapegoats (Sündenböcke), such as minorities, foreign workers, refugees, etc.

        Right-wing extremism can be equated neither with National Socialism nor with neo-Fascism or neo-Nazism. Neo-Nazism, a legal term, is understood as the attempt to propagate, in direct defiance of the law (Verbotsgesetz), Nazi ideology or measures such as the denial, playing- down, approval or justification of Nazi mass murder, especially the Holocaust. The term “right- wing extremist” is applied here primarily to describe, on the basis of passages in books and magazines, the political-ideological profile of such organizations and how their representatives and activists act and react in the political arena.

      • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

        Bob;
        A bit off topic – but not really…Have you heard of or read James Bacque’s “Other Losses” and “Crimes and Mercies”? These are very well researched books and were qualified by the author after the Berlin Wall came down and he went into Russia to study their archives.
        I want to list the crux of what his research revealed. It was all about revenge and Churchil, Stalin and Roosevelt were all complicit. The driving force was a ‘person’ by the the name of Henry C. Morgenthau, and his “Morgenthau Plan”, that was justly rejected by Congress, but went ahead anyway.

        TOTALS OF DEATHS

        Minimum Maximum

        Expellees (1945-50) 2,100,000 6,000,000
        Prisoners (1941-50) 1,500,000 2,000,000
        Residents(1946-50) 5,700,000 5,700,000

        Totals 9,300,000 13,700,000

        That is 13,700,000 men, women, children and old people. Murdered by the ‘allies’ through starvation, exposure and lead poisoning. As revenge.The book also discusses how the ‘allies’ raped Germany of it’s industry, resources and infrastructure. Pretty much like the Versailles Treaty did after WWI, and was responsible more or less for WWII!
        The ‘banksters hands are very evident here.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “The harsh economic conditions laid the groundwork for the ultra-right wing NAZI party to take hold”.
        More misinformation from Dave67. The NAZI’s were Socialists. It was even in their names (National Socialist German Workers’ Party). As time progressed, Hitler took near-total control over German industry, at which time the companies were privately owned in name only. More:
        http://www.lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon51.html

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Bob Livingston,”

        I AGREE. I HAVE NEVER HEARD THE NAZIS HAD PLANS TO INVADE THE UNITED STATES.

        • truesoy

          christopher…

          There is one little detail you overlooked, and that is.: GERMANY declared war on the UNITED STATES; we didn’t declared war on Germany.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

          • Jeff

            Prescott Bush, Joe Kennedy, Charles Lindbergh, and Pat Buchanan’s father would have made a deal with Hitler, don’t you know. They’d have let Hitler overrun Europe, kill all the Jews, destroy the Soviet Union, and the Nazis would have licensed us to run the franchise in the Western Hemisphere. At least, that’s the historical wet dream of many on this blog.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “truesoy,”

        DO YOU TRULY BELIEVE GERMANY HAD THE “GONADS” TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT AN INVASION AGAINST US? WHY DO YOU THINK NAZI-WAR CRIMINALS FLEED TO SOUTH AMERICA, INSTEAD OF, THE UNITED STATES? IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASY FOR THEM TO “BLEND-IN” IN THE “Jim Crow” SOUTH. THEY K-N-E-W IF CAUGHT, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN “HELL TO PAY.”

        • truesoy

          christopher…

          Just a little history…: Germany DECLARED war on the U.S. in 1941. , and you can check it out, is in thehistory books.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

          • Jeff

            In fact, after the War, at the Nuremberg Trials, one of the Nazis when asked why they declared war on the U.S. responded “We had a treaty with Japan,” to which the prosecutor replied: “Why was that the only treaty you ever honored?”

          • JOSEPH FOSTER

            Thank God the German declared war on the US, otherwise Britain alone will be left to fight Tyranny. The US should have joined the UK in a war against Germany when Hitler invaded Poland.

          • truesoy

            Jeff;

            Thanks for tyour input on the subject, although I wouldn’t be surprised for some ‘blockhead’ in this blog to try to dispute the facts.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

          • Jeff

            Have you heard from our Dear Uncle? I haven’t heard from him since pointing out how the former Head of Florida Republicans admitted they wanted to prevent Blacks from voting, proving the whole “voter fraud” thing was always a sham. Now, with the Wisconsin shooter shown to be a White Supremacist, he must be feeling ill. Maybe we can send him some chicken soup.

          • truesoy

            Jeff;

            ….ha!, Dear Uncle is probably still in therapy.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “truesoy,”

        AT THAT TIME, NEGROES HAD LITTLE EDUCATION. FOREIGN-SPEAKING CAUCASIANS WERE ALREADY IN THE SOUTH. TO NEGROES, A NAZI WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST ANOTHER “white” MAN. IF Adolf Eichmann HAD CAME TO THE “Jim Crow” SOUTH, HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE LIVED THE REMAINDER OF HIS LIFE IN PEACE.

        • waltinseattle

          no one believed germany would attack u.s. !?!?! that’s not why …mexico…?!? and who bases any facts on what anybody…or nobody…believes. omg the hustoric idiits!

      • waltinseattle

        No Bobby, YOU get some history. My late son is not here to give me the words of the persons actually there and involved…perhaps these 2 citations will help your blindness? or not!.

        http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_Mexico_involved_in_World_War_2_and_if_so_why_did_they_enter

        http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/678-mexico-forgotten-world-war-ii-ally

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear waltinseattley,

          Another nonsequitur.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

    • revnowwhilewecan

      If you’re going to use the “Pearl Harbor” thing as a history lesson as to why we went to war, maybe you should be armed with all the facts. The US without a declaration of war finance US Navy and Marine pilots to (Including Pappy Boyington of Black Sheep Squadron Fame) to fight against the Japanese and with the Chinese in direct violation of US law. The US shot down, in the 18 months prior to Pear Harbor, 114 confirmed KIA Japanese fighter planes, and bombed and straffed killing and maiming thousands of Japenese soldiers on the ground. Japan spent 18 month working desperately to avoid war with the US by not fighting back and negotiating in good faith. Only after the outrage at home was so great, that the US trained Japanese officers decided to use US tactics, that they learned from the US, against the US. The attack on Peral Harbor was designed to be exacly the same as the US Surprise attack on the Spanish Fleet in the Philippines in the previous century. The history books aren’t always so forthcoming with these facts. I know, shocking. Don’t be like these people Chester……
      https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=391859724208247&set=a.182680788459476.46931.176094182451470&type=1&theater

      • mark

        Killing and maiming thousands of Japanese soldiers on the ground? Yes after these same Japanese soldiers had murdered MILLIONS of innocent Chinese civilians. Don’t you know anything about the character of the Japanese genocide against China 1931-1945?

      • DaveH

        You should practice what you preach, Mark. Read this book and get your head out:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20T%20Flynn/While%20You%20Slept.pdf

    • Jimmy The Greek

      We could have helped the Germans to get rid of uncle Joe and let the Germans have Europe and most of Africa and the middle east , Asia to the japanese , And all of the Americas from the tip of south America to the top of canada would go to the Americans ,

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Jimmy The Greek,”

        IF THE NAZIS HAD TOOK CONTROL OF AFRICA, NEGROES IN THE UNITED STATES WOULD HAVE HAD SOLIDARITY. NEGROES WOULD HAVE PRESSURED THE STATES – EVENTUALLY – TO DO SOMETHING. THIS COUNTRY WOULD BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT IF NEGROES’ HOMELAND HAD BEEN DESTROYED BY “white” SUPREMACISTS. IF CAUCASIAN AMERICA DID NOT RESPOND TO SUCH A SUPPOSED CRISIS, AMERICAN NEGROES WOULD R-E-A-L-L-Y BE MILITANT. Shabazz’s LITTLE MILITIA IN FLORIDA WOULD LOOK LIKE TOY SOLDIERS COMPARED TO A NATION FULL OF ANGRY AND “GUN-HAPPY” NEGROES.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      We should have let them have England , if Germany had it , it would not have turned into the multicultural crap hole it is today , and that goes for all of Europe to .

  • miken25

    I wouldn’t put the onus of blame on the banks. The government allowed it to happen in 1913. The bankers (and other businessmen) cannot buy something that is not for sale. It is the fact that the government put its power of force for sale right from the beginning that has caused America’s erosion of freedom. As soon as the ink dried on our Constitution, state governments began meddling in the marketplace. This should have never been allowed, but it was. The commerce clause was a weak attempt at preventing it from happening. What is needed is to get our Constitution back to the Declaration. We have a lot of work to do.

    The most fundamental cause of the rise of the bloody dictatorships of the 20th century was the anti-mind, anti-life philosophy of Immanuel Kant and his devotees. The banks (and other businesses since) were just cashing in on the government provided opportunity to feed on a dying giant which still had a lot of meat left on its bones. Yes the banksters share in the blame. But they were not the ones who were administering the fatal blow. The Philosophers were. In this vein I recommend Philosophy: Who Needs It by Ayn Rand.

  • testament 2012

    We can pin this donkey on the tail all day long, How do we prevent it ? Sure we can barter, and hoard our silver, but how can a nation of people function without this system, how can we “bend their arms” to the peoples favor, besides shooting all the politicians and bankers.

    • DaveH

      We can elect people like Ron Paul to eliminate the Central Banks, and get our Government back to the original Constitution. We can create hard money that has real value in itself. We can let the banks compete honestly and fairly in Free Markets, without the protection by their Crony Politicians. If they engage in Fractional Banking, and overdo it, thus creating a run on their banks by depositors (of the previously mentioned hard money), we can let them explain their actions and seek protection in bankruptcy courts, or fail like other companies do.
      Most important — We can get educated so that we know what we are dealing with, instead of meekly going along with whatever bankers want us to believe. A good start would be to read the book I linked to in my first comment. And then read this one:
      http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

      • Bill

        I think you are right on and auditing the fed reserve is necessary to complete understanding of what is going on, This is why they fight auditing the fed. Anyone who opposes auditing the fed apparently has an interest in not letting anyone see the books.
        Ron Paul’s proposed legislation will probably never get through the hands that hold the strings.

      • mark

        Pee Wee Herman has a better chance of getting elected president than Ron Paul as any sensible observer knows. Paul has zero chance of ever reaching the presidency. For all your Austrian School of Economics propaganda spewing, you must in your heart of heart realize this, DaveH. Please.

      • DaveH

        What I realize, Mark, is that the majority of the population is indeed severely brainwashed, and therefore believes as you do. That’s an education problem which you, as a reader of PL, have in your power to correct in yourself. But you’ve made no effort to do so, Mark. Why is that? Are you an administration shill?

    • Hedgehog

      What’s wrong with shooting all the bankers and politicians? Sounds like a good start to me. If you add in the lawyers, it begins to approach paradise on earth. Did you ever consider running for office? Of course that would put you in category 2 (politicians). Back to the drawing board.

      • DaveH

        What stops us? We are better than they are.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Hanging them and letting the birds eat them would be better than shooting them !

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE SOUTHERNER – “Sweet Home Alabama!”

  • http://survivingurbancrisis.wordpress.com Silas Longshot

    Being free of a monetary ‘standard’ (gold, silver) allows all this to run free. To those who say ‘there ain’t enough gold & silver in the planet to cover all the money we need’, you are forgetting that it’s the PAPER value that’s changed over the years. Gold was valued at $42 / oz. in 1973, the dollar was the ‘gold standard’ currency of the world. Went off the gold standard, price shot up to $120 very quickly. The record high for paper money price of gold was $1,895 / oz. in 2011. As the world ecomony implodes from these current policies, that record price could double before the end. http://useconomy.about.com/od/monetarypolicy/p/gold_history.htm

    Get some while you can.

  • Amelia

    A good article, but about 50 years too late—-that is if one has been in the battle to take the Federal Reserve System away from the International and Foreign Bankers and put it in the House of Representatives where the responsibility for the coinage and value of our monetary system belongs…Many in Congress have tried to enter resolutions to put the monetary system where it legally belongs in the House of Representatives but the resoutions never got out of committe for a Floor vote.

    Time for a compete change in Congress, but that is up to each Congressional District to find true patriots who will put America first…By the people concentrating in their own district will they learn who are the infiltrators bribing candidates who then can be charged for treason and not honored with a seat in Congress….

  • Larry Murdock

    I haven’t heard enough “facts” to cause me to believe that the central banks start wars. I can see that wars are sustained by fiat money. End the Feb, Ron Paul’s 2009 book, claims that wars are sustained by central banks. Is evil always connected with money? Maybe so. The Holy Spirit teaches that the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. But that’s not only true of central bankers! But fighting evil such as Hitler’s would naturally take a lot of money. This newsletter probably has some high values behind it…does it take money to sustain it? Would the gold standard mark the end of evil? Doesn’t the search for “truth” on the subject also demand honestly about greed under the gold standard?

    • DaveH

      Larry says — “But fighting evil such as Hitler’s would naturally take a lot of money”.
      Yes, but Stalin was evil also and the US allied with him including, as Bob said, the turnover of countries violated by one dictator to a country led by another dictator. And John Flynn’s book, “While you Slept”, a Free PDF copy of which I linked to in an earlier comment, makes a good case that the reason for that was FDR’s ambition to become world leader in the UN.

  • Howard Roark

    Like Paul Farrar said: The book the Creature From Jeckyal Island shows that the world bankers have been behind every war clear back to the Nepolonic wars. They fund both sides and make a fortune and then make a killing assisting the winner of the war in their recovery..

  • Dave67

    The Banksters and the Defense Industry play huge roles in the wars we wage. And guess what?, the Tea party and their corp bankrollers like David and Charles Koch are helping this along by their support for the Citizen’s United decision on the one hand and the destruction of Unions on the other. So if unions are out of the way, then Corporations have exclusive access to Congress and pass the laws that benefit their narrow interests. Do you think Corporations have this country’s best interests at heart?

    Many foolish people here are worried about socialism taking over this country. If they were smart, they would be more concerned with corporatism in Gov destroying this country. But corp interests are very careful to craft the narrative on the conservative side to make it seem people are losing freedom in this country but yet when pressed about it, these people cannot name a freedom they have lost. The Corporatists are taking away opposition to their message as we speak. 9/11 gave the corporatists the vehicle they needed to get everyone scared so they vote more conservative. They led to the activist conservative supreme court we have now and the nonsense that was Citizen’s United.

    So when the Unions are finally gone, and people are making less, in worse conditions because more rules are relaxed, you know now what happened.

    Corporatism….

    • DaveH

      Corporatism could not exist (by definition) without Crony Politicians. And Crony Politicians can only aid their Corporate Cronies by virtue of Government involvement in the Marketplace.
      For Free Markets, Limited Government, Personal Responsibility, Individual Freedom, and the PEACE that comes with those — Vote Libertarian!

    • Dave67

      DaveH,

      Crony politicians do not exist until they are bought by the corporations or as you say “the free market players” which you love so much.

      Corporations lobby and pay for elections
      Their politicians get elected
      Corporations want something for their trouble…

      Amazing how that works isn’t it?

      David and Charles Koch, you know them, part owner of the CATO Institute, major player in the Heritage Foundation, Freedomworks etc and tea party godfathers…In edition to pouring money to make sure the vote for the “Citizen’s United” went their way. They paid the wife of Clarence Thomas over 600K to participate in the decision. But did Thomas recuse himself? Nope… These guys also poured millions into WI to bust public unions because 46K for a teacher is to blame for WI’s budget woes… Are these guys patriots in your mind DaveH? I see them as dangerous to this country’s future.

      Now DaveH, if you would like to skim a bit off the US Constitution and get rid of that pesky 1st Amendment, we can eliminate lobbying all together. Do you support that? You being a Constitutionalist and all.

      • DaveH

        Here we go again. Dave67, the guy who fabricates whatever facts he needs to support his positions, indicting the Koch Brothers as corporatists.
        In fact, the Koch Brothers promote Libertarian causes such as those promoted by Cato. What do Libertarians believe? That we should have Free Markets — Free of Government peoples’ meddling to give their Crony Capitalists an unfair advantage in the Marketplace. With Free Markets, the consumers’ decide which companies succeed and which fail. With Un-Free Markets, the Politicians decide which companies succeed and which fail, and of course those companies who succeed are those who contribute the most to the Politicians’ campaigns and other such aid.
        So Dave67 would have us believe that the Koch Brothers are Corporatists, e.g. that they are masochists in the business sense.
        Doesn’t make much sense does it? But then Dave67′s contentions rarely do.
        Here’s a sample article from Cato.org:
        http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/life-is-good-capital-crony-capitalism

        Now, personally I think Cato is a bit too mushy for my Libertarian senses, so I much prefer the hard-hitting unvarnished truth that comes from Mises Institute. But Cato is certainly preferable to the propaganda that comes from the mouths of people like Dave67.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        LOL The CATO Institute is owned in part by the Koch’s… They have given 4M+ to get Romney into the WH.

        The Koch’s want the Gov to make decisions that favor THEIR interests

        You are NEVER going to have a Gov in an industrial country like ours completely out of the market. Its never existed and it will not exist because Gov negotiate trade deals, Gov provides for worker safety regs, environmental safety regs etc…

        But no… you and your brilliance think that I want the Gov to pick the winners and losers when that is EXACTLY what the Koch are doing as we speak.

        The Kochs actively campaign against Union AND the actively campaigned FOR the Citizen’s United decisions. Are you that naive?

        You certainly are if you think mises.org is the bible of how reality works.

        Do you get paid by mises.org to put forth their propaganda DaveH?

      • DaveH

        Don’t let him kid you, Folks. Dave67 advocates Socialism, and pretty much anything else he says is just a smokescreen. Socialize — to make Social (that is spread among the people, as in bad investments like Government Boondoggles), from the latin Socius — comrade. He rails against the Koch Brothers because they fund efforts to Free our Markets, the opposite of what Dave67 and his ilk want for us. It’s called a Trojan Horse. Dave67 and his ilk try to convince people they’re on their side, so that they can secretly undermine them.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “You are NEVER going to have a Gov in an industrial country like ours completely out of the market”.
        Not if Dave67 and his gang can help it. Because without meddling in the Marketplace, the gang would find it much tougher to take advantage of the people, and they will fight tough and nail to keep people from waking to that fact.
        Never say Never, Dave67.

      • Dave67

        Oh and Nancy, your side also harp on the same stuff over and over again…as if the same lies become true if repeated over and over again.

        When I asked in a previous thread what freedoms have you lost that makes Obama this evil-doer that you had prior?

        You give me “I can’t protest near the president” Which BTW was put in place after Hinkley tried to kill Reagan.

        You guys need a new record, yours, DaveH, Kate8, Jay, JeffH’s is broken.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “You give me “I can’t protest near the president” Which BTW was put in place after Hinkley tried to kill Reagan”.
        I said no such thing, Dave67. You are a liar. But then the regular readers already know that.

      • DaveH

        You’re making Liberals look really bad with your chronic lying, Dave67. Maybe you should seek another line of work.

      • Dave67

        DaveH are you Nancy?

        If you bothered to read, that was a reponse for Nancy from Neb.

        You may return to your regular propaganda spewing DaveH

      • DaveH

        I thought you were doing your usual name-calling since Nancy isn’t anywhere in the Thread that you’re responding to.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “I asked in a previous thread what freedoms have you lost that makes Obama this evil-doer that you had prior?”.
        I’ll answer that.
        1) Mandatory Health Care Insurance.
        2) EPA bypassing Congress and working to implement Carbon Taxes.
        3) FCC bypassing Congress to impose Net Neutrality rules.
        4) FCC ignoring the First Amendment to impose localism rules on radio stations.

      • Dave67

        DaveH once again… YOU Lost under Obama… You give:

        DaveH says:

        I’ll answer that.
        1) Mandatory Health Care Insurance.

        Freedom to be a burden on society… really? Its called responsibility. I thought that was the liberatrian way? Since Ronald Reagan decreed that anyone who is sick or injured gets treated regardless of ability to pay. But I guess if you can’t pay, you should be left to die.

        2) EPA bypassing Congress and working to implement Carbon Taxes.

        This is YOUR freedom to?

        3) FCC bypassing Congress to impose Net Neutrality rules.

        This is YOUR freedom taken away how?

        4) FCC ignoring the First Amendment to impose localism rules on radio stations.

        LOL! this one is hilarious…

        http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=140804&pt=todaysnews

        http://www.broadcastlawblog.com/2008/01/articles/public-interest-obligationsloc/fcc-releases-specifics-of-localism-rulemaking-proposing-lots-of-new-rules-for-broadcasters/

        So the same week Obama is in the White House with Bush appointees still heading up the FCC… This is Obama. Ok

        Very lame list as much as you loons like to talk about tyranny and freedoms lost.

        Much talk, little details

      • DaveH

        As usual, the Liberals give us a gift, with somebody else’s money, Free Health Care, and then they use that unsolicited gift as an excuse to obligate us and take away our Freedom of Choice, saying that we will be a burden on Society if we don’t buy the Insurance. But we’re only a burden because they created that condition (other people being responsible for our problems) in the first place.
        So Dave67 is one of those guys who takes a girl out, buys her dinner, and then later tells her she owes him sex.

        You’re sick, Dave67, seek help.

        • Jeff

          DaveH:

          Your analogy makes no sense and you’re a very angry person for such a “happy” wingnut. An apt analogy is the fire department paid by property taxes. Should the fire department look up your tax records before deciding to put out a fire at your house? Is that what you want fire fighters and paramedics doing or should they just be saving lives.

          If you have a heart attack or stroke or diabetic attack or any of a thousand things, you go straight to the hospital. They don’t demand payment up front, but all the doctors and nurses like to eat, so eventually someone pays for that hospitalization. If you remain uninsured, you’re getting that service, just like the fire service, free of charge. I know Republicans don’t like the idea of anybody (else) getting anything for nothing, so how does that service get paid for. Don’t say the hospital can bill them, because the bill can easily be $100,000 and for most people that might as well be a million.

          So, what’s the solution? Stop taking people to the emergency room? What if they have insurance?

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “2) EPA bypassing Congress and working to implement Carbon Taxes.
        This is YOUR freedom to?
        3) FCC bypassing Congress to impose Net Neutrality rules.
        This is YOUR freedom taken away how?”
        Equivocate all you want, Dave67. We’re not talking about my particular Freedoms. We’re talking about Freedom for Americans in general. Yes, business owners are people also. And if you had any brains at all, you would know that the business owners either pass the costs to their workers, or the consumers, or they go out of business. So we all pay.
        And Net Neutrality rules are an obvious underhanded effort for Government to manipulate the Internet, which affects the Freedom of Speech for all of us. Not to mention, stealing money from people to pay for the boondoggle.
        Do you Liberals have even a shred of morality?

      • DaveH

        FCC, Obama, Localism. Dave67 says Obama is not responsible?
        Yet here we have an article which reveals that “On September 20, 2007, Obama submitted a pro-localism written statement to an FCC hearing held at the Chicago headquarters of Rev. Jesse Jackson Sr.’s Operation Push”:
        http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/obama_declares_war_on_conserva.html

        Call me all the names you want, Dave67. I’m used to fact-fabricating illogical Liberals attempting to stop me from exposing them with manipulative personal attacks.

      • DaveH

        Jeff says — “Your analogy makes no sense and you’re a very angry person for such a “happy” wingnut”.
        It makes no sense to you, Jeff, because you’re a Progressive Follower who thinks taking other people’s hard earned money and forcing your pet peeves on them is a moral thing to do. But then, you same people will turn around and rail against the Big Bad Companies, who are producing the goods that sustain and make your lives better, and advocate taking their money, meanwhile thinking nothing of the Hypocritical nature of such complaining and theft.
        Wingnut? I’m not the one, Jeff, that Hopes and Dreams that a system will work this time, regardless of the fact that it has failed everywhere it’s been implemented.
        The solution, Jeff, is for you and your kind to quit taking other peoples’ money as if it were your own. You think you’re a humanitarian, but you’re not. You’re just a common thief in a very large gang of common thieves. True humanitarians help out with their own money and time, not other peoples’ unwilling money and time (slavery).

        • Jeff

          DaveH:

          I said your analogy makes no sense because it has no applicability to the healthcare debate, not because I disagree with you on the issue. Do you think maybe, just this once, you could dispense with the ad hominem attacks on me and others and just explain how your analogy applies to the healthcare debate? Your analogy involved Dave67 taking a woman to dinner, then telling her she owed him sex.

          By the way, if I get taxed for something I don’t want but you do (maybe the Iraq war), does that make you a thief? You know, George Orwell was concerned about many things in his life but what most concerned him was the murder of the language!

      • DaveH

        And I find it odd, Jeff, that you can dis me because I don’t think you have the right to steal my money for other peoples’ support, as if that makes me heartless, but then say nothing about Dave67′s comment which started it all — “Mandatory Health Care Insurance.
        Freedom to be a burden on society… really”.
        So, if I object to being forced to insert a middleman in my Health Care plans (Health Care Insurance), I will be a burden to society? Translation, the Liberals don’t want to help me when I need it. So, I’m heartless for wanting to keep my own money, but then you guys aren’t heartless for not wanting to help me if I suffer Health Misfortune (even with other peoples’ money) just because I don’t want to buy a product that I know is NOT cost effective? Add to that the fact that most of you Liberals have no qualms about killing babies. What a bunch of Colossal Hypocrites.
        I warned Folks about this 30 years ago when the Progressives first started Socializing other peoples’ Healthcare costs. They get their foot in the door with these so-called humanitarian efforts (if you can calling enslaving people “humanitarian”), then they use the excuse that “Society” is paying for our care, so it’s okay to take away our Freedom of Choice.
        The bottom line is that a relatively small portion of the population, the Leaders and their Cronies, are living fat and happy on our money. How did they achieve that? By convincing Ignorant people, like Jeff, to abandon morality, i.e. steal other peoples’ money and force personal choices on other people, and to abandon all sense of reason, i.e. Socialism always has, and always will be a failure because it’s underlying theme is enslaving other unwilling people who naturally resist the slavery and work less thus producing less. Add to that the fact that we have plentiful cheap goods because that money that Progressives want to steal and spend on themselves might otherwise have been invested by those dastardly Rich People on Capital Machinery which is responsible for providing those cheap and plentiful goods.

        • Jeff

          Have you ever had a disagreement with someone who wasn;’t necessarily evil? Somehow, I don’t think you talk like this in your real life. Dave, we live in a society and we all pay taxes for the society to do things. Some involve infrastructure, some war, and some involve social programs to prevent millions of people running around w/o food or housing or healthcare. This is done not necessarily because all the people who favor such policies are “humanitarian,” but because they are required for a decent society. If you truly want to live in a society where people die in the street, just say so. I don’t think that’s what you want, but maybe it is.

          Government is all of us, Dave. We do these things because we believe they will lead to a better society. No man is an island and we do have a social contract. You have every right to rail against policies you don’t like as do I. But please cut back on the name-calling unless you would like to be called a fascist or warmonger every time you support policies people in the left HALF of the populace don’t like.

      • DaveH

        And then Jeff who just a comment earlier called me a “wingnut” because he didn’t agree with my statement, has the unmitigated gall to say this to me — “Do you think maybe, just this once, you could dispense with the ad hominem attacks on me and others?”.
        Wow, Liberal mentality has no bounds, does it?

        • Jeff

          But you didn’t respond! Why do you think dismissing someone as Progressive somehow ends the discussion? And calling me a common thief because I disagree with you? I think you have a problem expressing yourself logically, my friend.

      • DaveH

        Those who are sincerely compassionate, but aren’t locked into the Progressive Paradigm or wealth redistribution, should read this book, especially Chapter 7, “The Morality of Capitalism”:
        http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf
        Don’t be one of the duped Progressive Followers that the Selfish Leaders are using to help feather their nests.

      • DaveH

        And Jeff, I call you a “common thief”, because you ARE a common thief. You can hide behind the coattails of your Government enforcers, but the bottom line is that they couldn’t steal other peoples’ money without your enabling vote.

        • Jeff

          Unbelievable. You have proven yourself incapable of rational dialog.

          • truesoy

            Jeff;

            …that is the way of the conservative.
            DaveH enjoys all the benefits provided by the colletive financial effort of society (taxes) yet refuses to acknowledge it. He probably thinks they fall from an apple tree.

            Sincerely,
            Truesoy

      • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

        I guess you guys just can’t see it in your partisan mindsets. The socialist ideology of unionism ( not the working man) and the corporate cronyism of National Socialism as defined; Big business and big government working together for their own agenda, not the people’s, are part and parcel of the same agenda. If you guys would stop your pedantic, inane and ego centric squabbling and get together and combine your energies to exposing and brining down the real enemy, this world would be better off.

    • Dave67

      DaveH has no rebuttal…. So he goes to the only place he has which is to call me a socialist. A simple argument for a simple mind.

      David and Charles Koch are trying to radically change this country. They are trying to destroy the Unions while allowing unfettered big corp money to influence elections. That leaves corporations as the only big money players in the political arena.

      the result of which will mean more money for the Koch’s, less money for the poor and middle class. Their lobby will roll back worker’s safety laws, minimum wages, engage in trade laws similar to NAFTA.

      DaveH is either a liar or an agent for these interests. You have been exposed for the fraud you are.

      • Dave67

        Oh and DaveH, I just visited Koch Industries website…. Maybe you can help me, I could find the part of their corp Governance that maintains loyalty to the United States of America. Do you have it in Mises.org?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        You just love to put the focus on the Koch brothers. It’s no different for the liberals. They’ve got good ole george soros. The corruption is equal on both sides. But you never cease to point your finger at the Koch brothers. Give it up! If the politicians (on both sides) were not corrupt, it wouldn’t be an issue! Just stop saying the same thing over and over again! Do you think that if you keep saying it we’ll eventually agree with you? It won’t happen! Do some reading. Learn something else so you don’t have to keep saying the same thing all of the time! You’re getting stale!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Diva67, the busy international-world-jet-setter, claims to sell millions in products to BIG-international firms and governments, yet is always here, blogging from his mommies basement, hmm…

      • Dave67

        Nancy,

        I do much reading and from many different sources, both in this country and outside.

        I noticed you cannot refute what I am saying because it is true, corporate interests are in process of radically changing this country.

        They are killing the Unions and making sure their money (unlimited amounts) are allowed in the process with no accountability and visibility where it comes from.

        Are you seriously telling me this is not a HUGE deal?

        Everyone here squawks about SOCIALISM SOCIALISM!!!! bur are blind to what is really going on. Corporatism in Gov.

        Maybe its you Nancy that needs to do some reading.

      • Dave67

        Oh and Jay, I have 3 monitors at my desk and unlike you I can do more than one thing at a time.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 does what Liberals usually do, bastardizes the language in an attempt to confuse and mislead ignorant people.
        Free Markets are the Opposite of Corporatism (Crony Capitalism), and Dave67 most likely knows that. But still he persists in his Liberal efforts to confuse people who know no better.
        Dave67, I’ve proved repeatedly that you have no credibility. Why do you insist on pestering good people?

      • DaveH

        And Dave67, you’ve proved repeatedly that you are pro Socialist with your constant lies and equivocations in an attempt to confuse and misinform the readers about what Free Markets (Capitalism) are all about.
        For those who might have though Dave67 was being honest:
        http://mises.org/daily/1973

      • DaveH

        Dave67 has told us that he’s in International Tech Sales. But have any of you ever heard a salesman that is so constantly disrespectful to other people? I have proven him a liar repeatedly and that is little doubt just another of his lies.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        Your propaganda is false.

        Does lobbying exist in your perfect world? How to you propose to stop it with the first amendment in place? If you can’t stop it, how do you prevent corporations from lobbying the Government to pass laws that benefit their narrow interests thus interfering in the marketplace

        Do you have an answer? of your own? a link to a BS site doesn’t cut it.

        And you lie… I do not nor do I ever advocate Socialism as as a favorable economic model. That is you pulling crap out of your hind quarters yet again. just because I don’t adhere to mises.org theory. I believe in capitalism and socialism pieces that make up the best system as proven by the United States and how it came to economic prominance.

        You sir are a fraud and a propagandist.

        But keep trying… maybe one day, you and your little cronies might start to think for yourselves and what a scary day that will be.

      • DaveH

        I can back up anything I say with references, Dave67. It is you who constantly repeats untruths in the apparent effort to convince readers that your lies are fact, i.e. Propaganda.
        With your constant false accusations and lies, you have definitely reached Troll status, Dave67.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        General links to mises.org giving general definitions of what capitalism and socialism are is not a real reference.

        I asked you about the Koch Brothers trying to destroy unions while at the same time, supporting unfettered and anonymous corp money in the political system and you come up with the classic bait and switch.

        Have the Koch Brothers give 4M+ to the Romney campaign and their agents?
        Did the Koch brothers filter millions of dollars in the WI anti-Union campaign?
        Did the Koch Brothers pay millions to make sure Citizen’s United decision was the “right” one?

        Can you answer honestly?

        No, you have shown yourself to be dishonest time and time again. You would have the foolish here believe that the Koch Brothers after destroying unions and gaining the ability to give millions to politicians, would simply give that power up once the unions were officially in the grave.

        You may have been born yesterday but I am not. I believe you may be a paid agent. But you are no advocate for this country.

      • DaveH

        Show us what I have said that is dishonest, Dave67. It’s as simple as that. But you can’t, so instead you make groundless accusations like a typical foul and disrespectful Liberal.
        Remember, Folks, these are the kind of people who want to run your life. Good luck with that.

      • Dave67

        Once again, DaveH is excellent at avoidence… I asked him questions and he refuses to answer them, him and Jay because deep inside, they know its the people like the Koch Brothers that are more responsible for the decline of America than any “socialist” out there. When you push to destroy unions while pushing also to allow yourself unlimited amounts of money to buy elections, you are not patriot. You are a corporatist traitor to this country.

        I ask DaveH what freedoms has HE lost under Obama and he has nothing, just like Nancy but he does shoot his mouth off about all these freedoms that are being stripped away just like like with any other of the conservative phonies, when pressed about it, they have nothing…

        I do wish these idiots could go live in a country with a small central Gov like Somalia and see how they like it, or a country with real tyranny like Saudi Arabia. Then they would change their “boy who cried wolf” routine.

        Once again, you are a fraud.

    • Dave67

      DaveH, my system for whatever reason doesn’t let me keep submitting on the same thread…

      I usually do not name call unless someone says something completely crazy like there is such thing as a “free market” in the global economy.

      Or the The Koch Brother are trying to “liberate” the markets…. That one was hilarious!

      • DaveH

        Sure, Dave67, whatever you say.
        Of course we don’t have Free Markets. And I never said we did. I said we SHOULD have Free Markets. But you either have a very weak grasp of the English language, or you are just up to no good. I suspect the latter.

    • http://awkingsley.wordpress.com awkingsley

      Corporatism and Socialism go hand in hand; they feed on each other. Corporatism cannot exist without “Big” Federal Government. “Big” Federal government creates “Big” banks that can lend the enormous amounts of capital that feed Corporatism. Large corporations and large banks do not have to succeed under Socialism, as the “Big” Federal Governments bail them out. Large federal governments also extend all kinds of grant to large corporations, from research grants to various subsidies. Ultimately, corporatism cannot really exist without the enforcing regulations and Police State of a Socialist government. The Corporatists are the elitists, those of the inter-locking directorates of the top 150 largest corporations – major shareholders. Under Socialism, we are rapidly developing a type of feudalism operated by corporations. We have the kings and queens, nobles, and serfs back again. The serfs are all going to work for large corporations for a measly sum, while the kings and queens live in royal palaces. The Middle Class needs to wake up; the Middle Class must become sophisticated investors and gain political savvy before it is too late.

      • Dave67

        Can very well be… and it looks like people like the Koch brothers who have been in the business of destroying unions while at the same time putting millions into the fight for the Citizen’s United Decision, giving corporations the ability to give unlimited money are helping get to that place.

        The Koch’s have given 4M+ that is known to Romney.

        So with their unlimited money now able to be directed at electing representatives that will do their business interest’s bidding…. The smaller Gov comes in where? Afterall… these “patriots” are the godfathers of the Tea Party movement along with Dick Armey.

        Sounds like a furthering of the wealth gap in this country and not a reduction of Gov to me. Somehow, I don’t see corporatist like the Koch’s giving back their new found power in the Gov up willingly.

        • Jeff

          Dave:

          You’re absolutely right. Don’t let these wingnuts dissuade you from stating the truth.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        As an American company, Koch Industries employs over 50,000 Americans. In total, the number of American jobs that indirectly supported Koch Industries is over 200,000.

        In Wisconsin, Koch Industries provides nearly 3,000 jobs directly and 11,000 jobs indirectly. More importantly, many of those jobs are good-paying union jobs. So, why all the hate, dave67?

  • Jean

    NINJA, No income, no job or assets. Socialism seeks to help the poor by having the govt. give them things that the middle class works for. Then the govt. needs more money than it can raise in taxes, so it borrows money from the Federal Reserve which is about as Federal as Federal Express. The Fed then creates the money that it loans to the Govt. at interest out of thin air, just like regular banks do with the fractional reserve idea. The extra money then going into circulation devalues everyone else’s money by reducing the purchasing power of the money that they have been saving in banks or financial institutions. This slowly destroys the middle class and moves them down to join the poor. With the govt. indebted to the privately owned Federal Reserve the taxpayers of that govt. also become indebted to the Federal Reserve(aka Banksters). Not too long ago a 1 ounce gold coin was worth only $20. instead of around $1,600. today, down from a high of just under $ 2,000. I understand that people paying the temple tax or whatever exactly they were needing the money for could only use a specific coin, and that the money changers were ripping them off when they exchanged other types of money for this specific coin that was the only acceptable coin. They money changers were simply using their monopoly to charge what ever the market would bear.

    • Howard Roark

      well said Jean.

  • nc

    Mr. Livingston, if it costs banks NOTHING to make loans why do so many go broke? They go broke taking deposits??
    If it only takes a click on a computer to create money it also only takes a few clicks on a word processor by a biased person to create a villian in the eyes of his unquestioning followers!
    There were many free interprise manufactures who hated to see the wars end when they were making good money suppling the war effort.
    If we were on the gold standard how much could we have afforded to spend to on World War II before we would have had to notify German and Japan we were pulling out due to financial restraints?

    • DaveH

      You are mixing apples and oranges, NC (as usual). Name a Federal Reserve Bank that has failed? The Federal Reserve System (composed of twelve regional banks) creates the fiat money, then lends it to member banks. There are other banks that are not member banks of the Federal Reserve System.
      For more:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banking_in_the_United_States

      • Henry Albert Limburg

        Check out the Zionest and find out what they are connected with another name is Ashkenazi and they are the leaders of Isreal .

      • nc

        DaveH, it appears that it is you, not I, who is mixing the apples and oranges! Mr. Livingston makes no distinctions as to banks and seems to be describing in some detail the operations of individual banks that make loans and not the Federal Reserve Bank.

      • DaveH

        No, NC, it is you. Apparently you have a reading disability. Bob clearly refers to Central Banks.
        And in fact in one spot he says — “Your local banker is probably innocent in this scheme”.

    • RM

      My understanding is that with our the banksters and the international chemical monopolies like IG Farben pulling the strings, we would not have been involved. If the banksters only had influence in Europe, the USA would not have been drawn into the battles and we would not have had the young American need to die. “A Family Matter” by Peter Roosevelt explains how his father, Winston Churchill, and Joseph Stalin met to set up the rulers of the world. This design allowed the bankers to use the ‘cold war’ to control the miitary and develop the national debt. So we trade evil man #1 Hitler for evil man #2 Stalin and continue the spending and debt buildup that advances the bankers control and enslavement of individuals. RM

  • Sirian

    May sound a bit insane but the “bankers” could, in reality, zero out deficits with a few strokes of the keys at a computer. The money – deficits – have no value whatsoever since the money spent by the suckers (nations/governments) to create the deficits is nothing more than Monopoly money – fake, imaginary. Is that not the cornerstone of the of Fed? No longer on a “gold standard”, thanks to Nixon, the Fed can and will rule. With that being a reality that most don’t understand then why would it be insane to generally think the other? The only problem or obstacle to something such as this though is that the “bankers elite”, which stand in the financial/political shadows they create, hold more power due to their ability to quietly, conveniently satisfy the fools – nations/governments/people – seeking their own level of power. Bob’s article is definitely on point, by all means. But the less people understand the longer it will carry on.

  • Louis Lemieux

    We entered WW ll because Hitler did away with elections in Germany and was fighting to do the same worldwide. That’s not very hard to understand!

    • Jimmy The Greek

      That is Bullchet !

  • Henry Albert Limburg

    A good book for everybody should read it tells a lot about what is happening in the U.S and what has happened in the past that got us the problems we have today.Go to the web site ,www.biblebeliversbiz/isreal.htm.The Life of an Ameriacan Jew in Racist Marxiest Isreal.By Jack Bernstein.

  • Tim

    Thank God someone actually printed the truth about the “War Pigs” and their twisted game. It is refreshing to read.

  • Jim

    My comment is a question.So,what if one country or combination of countries builds up its military complex and war making ability via the bankster paper money creating route and another country is on the gold standard? Who then has the best chance of winning a war?

    • DaveH

      The country with the Gold Standard. They would be the ones who could be counted on to pay real money for the necessary military goods.

  • http://pisterreports.com pister

    Bob,
    I have discovered a newfound appreciation for your logic and accuracy…

    Very few people can grasp the logic of what you have written. It is the naked truth behind all of our wars….

    pister

  • John R. Howell

    In 1918, the Bolshevics occupied a few square blocks in Moscow, but they ran out of money to pay their mercenary soldiers, who were getting ready to quit. So J.P. Morgan sent 6 million in gold to them which was delivered by a man named Schiff on the famous sealed train that crossed multiple borders in war-torn Europe, without getting stopped one time at any border for any inspection. So the Jew J.P. Morgan saved communism, that eventually murdered 35 million people just to collectivize the farms in Russia, and 65 million people in China. This was reported in “The Human Cost of Communism in China”, United States Senate Sub-committee Report. Now we have communists inside our own country trying to take over this country, and they might do it in the next election. Before this is all over, there will be blood running in the streets, and this country will sink into the darkness of communism from which it will never recover.
    John R. Howell

    • Jonathan Baker

      @ John R. Howell
      Actually, J.P. Morgan was of the Episcopal faith – a Christian. Try to get your antisemitism under control. You diminish whatever strength your argument holds with your bias.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      The father of communism Karl Marx ! A Jew .

  • Kerry

    Some great reading that illustrates the fact that “the truth will set you free,
    but first it will realy piss you off.”
    The Creature from Jekyll Island
    Web of Debt by E. H. Brown

    If enough people realized your points, we might have a real revolution, and save our country.
    “Give me control of the currency, and I care not who makes the rules” M. Rothchild

  • http://www.facebook.com/ernest.murphy3 Ernest Murphy

    The only difference between the good guys and the bad guys was the good guys prayed to god for help. The bad guys were godless. Banks have to be invited to participate in human slaughter there is no line where the banks stand waiting to pay for assassins. The rich and powerful are on a different realm of reality i don’t hope to comprehend. Anything goes there. The difference between the good guys and the bad guys is not that the good guys had more guns. The good guys had shoes. What? you mean the banks didn’t buy the bad guys shoes? or provide better transportation of food and supplies? The banks did not invest in wars they were cohersed and cajoled into participating in the funding for a better place in the banking system via politicians. McNamara was not a banker he alone was responsible for thousands of American deaths in Vietnam because he was in control.

    • Vigilant

      Ernest says, “The only difference between the good guys and the bad guys was the good guys prayed to god for help.”

      I beg to differ.

      “Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes.”

      Abraham Lincoln, Second Inaugural Address.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ernest.murphy3 Ernest Murphy

        Amraham Lincoln was referring to the Civil where against brothers where shot brothers. Not Hitlers Godless hord. The Chinese did not support the Christian Faith they supported their emporer The Vietnamese did not know god. We won in Vietnam at great American lives lost, your history books do not tell you that. The politicians made it look like a loss. Not the banks.

      • Vigilant

        And nothing in your comment supports your statement that “The only difference between the good guys and the bad guys was the good guys prayed to god for help.”

        Germans prayed in Christian churches for vanquishing the enemy. So did Americans.

      • Vigilant

        P.S. It’s customary, and a sign of respect, to capitalize the word “God.”

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vigilant,”

        IT IS ONLY CUSTOMARY TO CAPITALIZE “G” IN “god” WHEN THE WORD IS USED AS A SYNONYM FOR THE DEITY OF A RECOGNIZED FAITH – CHRISTIANITY, ISLAM, ETC. WHEN UTILIZING “god” AS A SYNONYM FOR ANY “supreme being,” THE “g” IS LOWER-CASE. IN YOUR USAGE, THE SMALL “g” WAS CORRECT. IF YOU MEANT AN ORGANIZED “God,” YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE MADE AN INDICATION.

  • diane Jones

    It sounds like the book The Captains and the Kings by Taylor Caldwell.
    I read that many years ago but it seems to be coming true with this administration buying out the banks with our money to help the people who are having housing problems but they paid the big salaries instead. Those folks should have been fired not paid.
    And I take the comment about the Masons as an insult. They do great work and support children’s burn centers and many other chairites. My Dad was a Master Mason and a Shriner.

  • Ted Crawford

    It seems that Polarizing Idealism will be the Hallmark of this administration! That’s not to say that it was all generated by this Administration alone, that’s far, far too simplistic !
    Idealism, in and of itself, isn’t bad! It can be very useful and even necessary as a guiding principle. For it to be productive and constructive, as a tool of Civilization, it must be tempored with reasonable amounts of tolorance,compromise and exceptance!
    I have very little formal education( who knew), but I’ve lived a little while, and my early days were clouded by Idealism, I wanted to be right. In my pursuit of that rightness, I lost sight of Correctness! Fortunatly, for me, i encountered much wiser men and women that helped me become aware of that fact! ” An Idealist is one who, on noticing that a Rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup ” H.L. Mencken and ” Cynics regard everyone as equally corrupt…Idealists regard everyone as equally corrupt, except themselves ” Robert Wilson
    As Bob states, if we pull back that specific curtain we will find the Fed. & Co.! However that, itself is just another curtain ! Pull back that curtain and we will find Humankind! The Reserve Banks are only a tool, much like a hammer. One man will use the hammer to build a home, another will use it to kill his fellowman. The hammer is not the problem, outragious Humanity is!
    If we wish to correct our problems, I believe we need to look past the institutions to the Administrators. There is the real problem ! We must choose our leaders wisely, in pursuit of Correctness, not Rightness!

  • P. Scott

    Book “Brotherhood Of Darkness” get it, read It.
    Sounds as if Mr. Bob L. may have read it.
    After reading the book I became a Ron Paul supporter,
    never look back only forward to Christ’s return.
    For all things the lowest common denominator is God/Satan.
    What is not of God is of Satan.

    • Erik

      Yes, Satan is very scary; like Darth Vader, or Batman with a migraine. Satan is about as real as the fairy story of 6 million dead jews.

  • http://www.gunthorp.com Gardner Behrends

    The US Corporation has pledged America’s assets, yours and mine, as collateral to the banking cartel. Ever wonder why NWO environmentalists don’t want us to extract our own resources? Their next step is to control food production and distribution. And don’t forget your guns.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ernest.murphy3 Ernest Murphy

      What i wonder is why G.W.Bush has not said one word regarding B. Hussain Oboma. Neither has John Quiggley McCain who said ” I wont attack my opponent, He is a good man.” “Oboma is a fine man” “We have nothing to fear from an Oboma presidency”
      From the hero of Zero. who donated this presidency to the usurper.

  • Dave

    The plan is to create the debt and then enslave the masses to pay the interest. Tools of enslavement. The FED in 1913, Social Security in 1935. You were suposed to die at by age 61 back then but you could not collect your social security until you reached 65.

  • John Siggins

    Perhaps Bob you missed the part in your world of the Axis powers and thier goals. Had we lost that war your little newsletter would not be welcome.
    As for the Masons, we have big shoulders and can stand being blamed for everything including ridding the world of evil.
    John

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      It’s funny. An organization like the Masons comes along and does nothing but good and beady little human minds have to find where they are like them. By them I mean people who want something for nothing, people who find success by stepping on others. Their prone to hiring hitmen, politicians, to steal from their neighbor so they must be like me. Masons lay bricks. Their adversaries destroy them. Oh! I’m not a mason.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ernest.murphy3 Ernest Murphy

    I don’t agree with this story. The self serving politicians are to blame for our wars, the conduct of the war and the ending of the wars.

  • Terry Goldstein

    I see many points of view, and see the light in all of them. In summary I only believe that the Minimum Standards we the people want for our society must be represented by law and government mandate is to uphold the law we the people (50%+1.) want for our society.
    Governments politicians representing the voter (people) have one common flaw. Lying. It should be law not to lye or miss represent the people or the facts. That may be a law for any one reporting information to the people. NEWS organization, Governments, any one who knowingly reports false information will be punished and have a life time ban from being part of the upper levels of the Governments sector.

    Government can you here your people? Do you represent the minimum standards the people demand for there society? Government,do you feel it’s acceptable to lye to your leaders, leaders being the people you represent?

    A law degree should not be the only avenue to hold a place in government? Do we the people want our representative in government to hold a degree in the field for the portfolio they represent, for the voter? Please recall the reasons for the 1776 Document….

  • Homer

    Yep Ernest, but the politicions are in bed with the Banksters. It has always taken two to Tango. Politicions under the guidance of the Banksters start the wars and they both share the rewards of financing of the wars.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ernest.murphy3 Ernest Murphy

    Bankers don’t tell the politicians not to hit the ammo dumps or food supplys of the enemy or follow a given flight path to ensure the battle is not won quickly. It is my opinion that the Iraq war was over when saddam Hussain was caught. regardless of the internal fighting that went on over there afterwords. the mother still raise there children to treat the woman with less respect than a dog they are proud of their children who die for nothing and live for hate. Where is the benefit of a a banker in that?

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Bankers dangle dainties before politicians, like fly paper. Bankers are the serpent and politicians are mice. The serpent says to the mouse: Come let the two of us become.

  • Sarah R.

    Look. Why has it taken so long for journalists to come to this conclusion? At least two years ago I looked up Bilderberg and there it was everything Bob Livingston is writing. Look up Bilderberg. The whole story and their plan for a NWO is right there. Every dictator has been systematically taken down for the purpose of money power. Mummar Qudaffi was murdered because he was getting back to the gold standard. He planned to make all countries pay in gold for oil. Sadam Hussaim was murdered for WMD that never appeared. Mubarak and now Assad. All the civil wars going on now were incited by the Bilderbergs for the NWO. You see, the earth can only sustain 500mil people so they must somehow destroy as many people as possible some how. Putin and China go on record as saying they will never let Bilderberg push them around. Look up Rockefeller and Goldman Sachs its all there. You will also find out that Bilderberg has chosen all our presidents. that’s why when we elect a new party nothing really seems to change. These people involved with the NWO are all going to burn in hell. And you call Alex Jones crazy.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Your right ,

  • chuckb

    my belief is, the religions of the world are the ones creating the wars. take anyone of the major religions and once they gain power they control the money. once they control the pesos, they control the banks,media, education and the politics. that’s when greed enters the scene, the more they get the more they want. look around this country, who contrrols the banks, media and education.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      The definition of religion is: Ones heart felt belief. Everybody is religious in that everybody has heart felt beliefs. Some honor God, some don’t. Your right when you say religions but you have to seperate the true God fearing one’s from those that are in Satan’s camp posing to be in God’s. You know, wolves in sheeps clothing.

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        Religion Originally Ment: REFERING TO LEGEND… (Dont change the meaning to prove power in perversity!)

  • Markie

    Well, now, we know the problem(s) and we can start doing something about it. So list specifically the Bankster families that owned our Federal Reserve; wealth had been sucked out of the US population, and it had to go somewhere; I’m afraid we will have to serve up Capital Crime warrants(bring back Public Hanging) on these bankster families, and consfiscate and return all their loots to the people, the rightful owners.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Rothschild, who was instrumental in the founding of the Federal Reserve said this on the floor of congress: “I care not who makes the laws, so long as I control the money”. He is a Zionist with a street in Tel Aviv named after him.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        Thats right !

    • Bill

      We don’t know where our money is going, that is why Ron Paul wants the fed audited, for you not for the banks. How would you personally feel if someone wanted to audit your finances, you would object I hope. When then think of trillions being audited and multiply your feeling by many trillions of dollars. Probably in the neighborhood of 100 trillion.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Doesn’t take a genius to figure out where our taxes-collected end-up. Since the Federal Reserve is a privately owned institution, owned by a private, European-banking-cartel, and is the primary lending institution to Congress, we can safely assume then, that that is where our taxes collected end-up.

        You say; Ron Paul wants to audit the Fed? Why audit? What Ron Paul and every American should be demanding, is the abolishment, by Congress, of The Federal Reserve Act of 1913. To return all the rights and profits, from the creation of money to the rightful heirs, the citizens and the U.S. Government. It is outrageous that private banks and the FED can create our money and collect interest on it. If we must pay interest on monies created and loaned, let it be the United States of America that receives it, not some private interest.

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    How true Bob. On top of that the winners write history. Regardless of what else he was, Hitler was an economic genius. When he came to power Germany was a deep deep depression right down to the people needing wheel barrels of Deutschemarks to buy groceries. Come to think of it, that’s where we’re headed. Anyway, Hitler froze everybodies wages and let prices go where they may. In three years Germany was in the black, but he wasn’t tied to Europe’s central bank.

    During our civil war America did not have a Central Bank nor did Russia have a Central Bank and it was the wealthiest country in Europe. Czar Nicholas became good friends with Lincoln and Lincoln knew the danger of a central bank and opted to printing greenbacks to finance the north’s side of the war. I think that’s what got him killed, like Kennedy when he tried to get rid of the Fed. England’s Central Bank wanted to participate or civil war on either side so long as it borrowed money. England loaned money and war materials to the south and announced it was going declare on the north. Lincoln advised Nicholas what was happening and when the English arrived the Russian fleet was waitiing for them. The English turned tail and headed home.

    You can go back further in history and read about central banks. Alexander Hamilton was a central bank man. Their is a piece about central banks and their evils on Zeitgeist.com. It’s the best I’ve ever seen. America’s real trouble started with the 16th “change” and our establishing the Federal Reserve

    • Jeff

      You think maybe Hitler’s “economic miracle” had something to do with government spending to prepare for the conquest of Europe and Russia? Can you spell stimulus? Wouldn’t it be nice to have a real stimulus project that doesn’t involve killing and conquest?

      • Jimmy The Greek

        Hitler was better than any of the scallywags we have running our country ! At least he cared for his people ,

        • Jeff

          You ARE kidding, aren’t you? No one, not even on this blog, could be THAT deluded!

      • cawmun cents

        Hitler was a genius in one respect.
        He took the wealth of those he sent to be exterminated and used it to his political advantage.Here is the lesson that need be learned,as it has happpened that way in virtually every instance in recorded history.
        It is and has always been the redistibution of wealth that has caused these things to occur.

        • Jeff

          You can look at all taxation as redistribution of wealth since the wealthy will always pay more in taxes. But the wealthy own most of the society so shouldn’t they pay the most for its upkeep? So, do you want to opt out of being taxed for the things you don’t like? How about the people who want to opt out of paying for wars – or just for certain wars? Do you see how untenable such a system is? One can equate taxation with armed robbery, but one doesn’t if one is rational.

    • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

      The Christian American
      Wrong,try Financial genius Hjalmar:

      http://propagander3.tripod.com/nur10.html
      From Schacht’s IMT testimony: I told Hitler we should try to get back a part of the … I objected to this financial policy and continually, abroad and at home, warned

      • coal miner 1

        Sorry,I left out his last name.His name was Hjalmar Schacht.

      • coal miner 1

        THE ZIONIST THREAT:

        http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm
        Then, the Zionists and the Anti-Zionists will state their position and debate the material in this … The U.S. government allows a Jew to be a citizen of both U.S. and Israel. … for the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 in Russia and the start of Communism. …. It is the two faces of communism and Nazi-style fascism that rule Israel

  • ONTIME

    No doubt that economics is a major factor in the cause of war and local conflict but so is religion and the conqerors syndrome, Hitler, Ghengis Kan, Stalin, the need to consolidate power and holdings under one entity…The cynacism demonstrated in this article demeans the valor of our men and women, our heritage and the defense of freedom…. I like to remember I fought for this country as did millions of others for all the right reasons and I really didn’t like the fighting part all that much or do I remember a bank offering me a reward….

    • Jimmy The Greek

      So you must not have been Drafted , LOL

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

    It seems pretty darned obvious to me, reading these comments , that the misinformation/disinformation/romour mill – owned by the ‘people’ who run the world – though the ‘banksters’ has been very successful. Part of the problem here is ‘the fragile ego syndrome’. When a person invests time and energy to find out something – whether it’s an hour watching the History Channel or PBS, or spending several years studying at a post secondary school, or those who are self taught, inside or outside the mainstream – It is very difficult to let go of that investment and admit to an other truth. The truth is out there if you are willing to look honestly and carefully. It is a plain and simple truth as most truths are.

  • RJC

    “In reality, the only difference between the “good guys” and the “bad guys” was that the “good guys” had more guns.”

    Oh, really? The ‘good guys’ force marched prisoners and bayoneted those that fell down, The ‘good guys’ participated in the ‘Rape of Nanking’. The ‘good guys’ had concentration camps and gas chambers.
    You are blinded by your pacifist ideology, and unable to see that it is EVIL in itself. To stand idly by and allow evil to flourish is EVIL. Look up the verse ‘No greater love’, you might get a clue.

    Equating the US armed forces in WW2 to the Nazi and Tojo forces sickens me.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      We had camps ! ask the American born Japanese about the country club life they had , and we also put American born Italians and Germans in camps because of who they were related to in the old country , but no were near the number of japanese we interred.

      • Jeff

        Jimmy:

        If you are going to continue justifying Hitler’s murderous regime, you will find few allies even here in the land of right-wing kookery. Yes, the U.S. interred the Japanese and it is still considered one of the worst chapters in U.S. history. But I daresay no sane person anywhere would equate our treatment of the Japanese with Nazi concentration camps. Now, tell us how we can blame THAT on the Jews!

  • factnotrhetoric

    Bob did a great job but I think we should look at his facts stated a different way:

    1) Counterfeiting is a weapon of warfare as pointed out in Secret Weapon by Kevin Freeman.

    2) Fractional Reserve Banking is simply, by definition, Counterfeiting US Dollars. But when US Banks Counterfeit US Dollars, and loan them out to US Citizens, it’s a good thing. It’s what has made America great. Ellen Brown in Web of Debt goes so far as to say our forefathers set up our US currency with Fractional Reserve Banking in mind.

    3) Where Fractional Reserve Banking turned into a problem, was in 1913, when congress created the foreign owned Federal Reserve Bank and gave counterfeiting, through Fractional Reserve Banking, to our enemies.

    4) Today, as in Hitler’s era, America’s enemies are the Globalists. Globalists want to overthrow the US Government. They plan to cause hyperinflation through counterfeiting. Then cause riots when the poor and those on welfare, can no longer feed their families. The end result will be Martial Law, as written by the Globalists, to overthrow the US Government as in Hitler’s day.

    So the problem is that Congress gave the Enemies of America, the right to counterfeit US Dollars. The $16.1 Trillion dollar bank bailout was the Federal Reserve Bank of NY counterfeiting $16.1 Trillion Dollars and loaning it to enemies of America, then the enemies using Fractional Reserve Banking to counterfeit $16.1 Trillion more dollars to pay it back.

    Or when there are only $9.2 Trillion printed US Dollars in the entire world, how did our enemies loan $6 Trillion Dollars to the US Government and claim we owe them the money. This again is counterfeiting by our enemies to overthrow the US Government.

    We all know that not all bankers are bad. But the Federal Reserve Bank did counterfeit money to finance Hitler, and then turned around and counterfeit more money for America to stop Hitler.

    Think about Greece, Spain, Italy, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and Kenya. These countries were all destroyed by the Foreign Owned Federal Reserve Bank counterfeiting American Dollars. The Foreign Banks either counterfeited massive amounts of American Dollars, and loaned them to these countries, or the Foreign Banks counterfeited US Dollars and loaned them to America to overthrow these countries.

  • SJJolly

    “The discipline of the gold standard would have prevented all the wars of the past 100 years.” Would it? Or, would it have given victory to the side with the most gold, all other things equal? A few centuries back, Spain, using the mountain of gold it looted from South and Central America, made a major effort to conquer England — the Spanish Armada. (Superior English seamanship fended it off, and a big storm destroyed it.)

  • Pathfinder

    It is so easy to blame a single entity and apparently the ” Banksters” are it again.
    This is not to defend banks but to illustrate where the world was headed in that era and to suggest that the bankers were not entirely to blame. Before the “Banksters” are singled out as culprits, one must understand the psychology and objectives of AXIS leaders.

    Long before America entered the War on Dec 7,1941 much of the world was at war with the Axis powers who were conquering countries for land and resources. Japan was systematically killing millions of people in Manchuria and China (i.e.The Rape of Nanking) not to mention what Japan ultimately did to Phillipino’s. Hitler conquered the Ukraine, (The Breadbasket of Europe) to feed Germans, while starving Ukrainians and undertaking the “Final Solution” for Jews and other “undesirables”. These illustrations barely touch on the horror.

    There is a common notion that had the Allies lost the war, the US would be counting its money in Deutschmarks. Surprise: Ultimately Japan’s plan included taking on Germany and to rule the world. Both these countries (and especially Japan) believed they were “super races” ordained subjugate every other race. Further, Japan had the highest POW mortality rate of any combatant country, never signed on to the Geneva conventions, systematically brutalized and worked to death tens of thousands of POW’s all because’ “they were inferior”. The Same for Hitler and “his Final Solution”. That folks is pure unadulterated RACISM. Could that be what killed an estimated 70 million people in the WWII era?

    No doubt that resources and financial control were driving factors, but it is despotic, racist world leaders Like Hitler, Tojo, and Musolini that are the actual spark plugs that drove that war. Indicting Allies as “war criminals” is a popular way to demonize the other participants of the conflict and is an easy way to say,” if it weren’t for these hypocrites (The Allies), we wouldn’t have sent our ‘boys to their deaths. Is it not amazing how hindsight, two generations removed, can be so clear and accurate? Blaming JUST THE BANKSTERS is to simplistic, possibly politically inspired, and doubtful.

    • FreedomFighter

      Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist

      1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

      2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

      3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

      4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

      5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for ‘conspiracy theorists’ and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain.Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

      6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of ‘artificial’ emotionalism and an unusually thick skin — an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial.

      Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the ‘image’ and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It’s just a job, and they often seem unable to ‘act their role in character’ as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later — an emotional yo-yo.

      With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game — where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

      7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat ‘freudian’, so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within.

      I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author.
      For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I’m not aware of too many Navy pilots who don’t have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

      8) Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation:

      a) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT – FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth.

      b) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR – there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to ‘get permission’ or instruction from a formal chain of command.

      c) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay – the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

      http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

  • http://Yahoo George

    My Economics 101 Professor, in a class said, ” Our National debt is just “money we owe to ourselves” I told him that was BS!! ( Who asked ME to have a large “debt” which I never agreed to?) He never really answered my question.
    You earlier said there are few people who actually know the difference between gold and silver and currency. You’re right!
    I recently read, “The Emperor’s clothes cost twenty dollars” by Lloyd Darland. I have reread it 4 or 5 times. Now I am scared to death. I now understand what “currency” is!
    When I read about “QE” I shudder! It just means “more print press paper with numbers on them’ called “money”. Ugly!!!
    When will the education system in this country (or any other country) come clean and instruct that their money (paper dollars) are NOT MONEY! It is NOT MONEY!!
    Nothing backs it up by anything! It is Government pieces of paper stamped with numbers on them meaning NOTHING!
    Suggestion: collect your “stamped paper” (dollars) and as quickly as you can, exchange it for Silver and Gold! THEN, you can know you have SOMETHING OF VALUE to represent what your labor has earned for you.

  • Geo2mqn

    Comparing the Nazis (or the Stalinists) as equal to the Democracies is hogwash…Hitler and Stalin killed 10s of thousands of Masons so the left wing sycophant who blames the Masons for everything is similarly out to lunch.A total over simpification stereottype which is why the society in the free world is so confused by this kinbd of obfuscation .

  • Rafael

    The liberal ideological revolution had engendered an Industrial Revolution. And what Mises called the “Age of Liberalism” lasted from 1815 to 1914: a golden century in which mankind first got an inkling of what it was really capable of.
    Tragically, the Age of Liberalism was ended by an ideological counterrevolution: a wave of statist thinking that is responsible for all the woes of the 20th century, as well as our present economic and geopolitical crises.

    Lets go to the gold standard.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      Proabition was a big step in the Power of Government over Civil Rights… True is: GETTING WORSE!!!

  • Bimbam

    This article does’nt make sense!

    Did we want to be under GERMAN CONTROL??? What choice did we have???

    We won and that’s all that matters. IF after the war they can’t control another type of greed, well that’s something we just gotta work on.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      We Would never have been under there control , We would have become best friends !

    • George

      WW1 was the impetus that made the WW2 possible. 1st gulf war too. There was no Kuwait prior to WW1. No Yugoslavia either. The League of nations, the seeds of the meddling intrusive UN, emanate from this world banking system that was created in 1913 as the Federal Reserve at least in our country.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      { The elussion of winning… But Victories Price & Changes since… added,must figure in!}

  • Ben Dover

    But, but, without DEBT there wouldn’t be ANY money! It’s ALL about control. Ron Paul’s “Honesty Money” bill, if it ever passed, would be the end of Rep. Paul. I’m afraid he’d go the way of J.F.K. and the like. I use to thank cashiers all the time for taking my “paper” for something that had alot more value. Naturally these college kids or grandmas alike didn’t have a clue what I was talking about?

    As the amount of money grows, the price of oil rises. In fact, almost 87% of the move in the price of oil can be explained by the increase in money supply. America’s war against Iraq had its roots in many improving impulses. According to John McCain and Alan Greenspan, however, the taproot sank into Iraq’s oil fields; America wanted to secure its access to cheap oil, they say. Unfortunately, this program – like all government meddling – backfired. The price of oil was only $25 a barrel when the war began in September of 2003. In 2008, it hit $130 a barrel. And the war itself is expected to cost the nation $1 trillion or more. For all its efforts, the United States secured the most expensive energy in world history. The gold standard would cure alot of the “ills” this country is now experiencing.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      I an a trucker ! diesel were i buy a lot of fuel was 159.9 friday on monday it went up to 169.9 .

      • Ben Dover

        I feel for ya man! I think it was $1.25 when I was “truckin”. I was in the “trucking business” for over 20 years. I’ve been out for 17 now. I can only imagine the quacks, lot lizards, dispatchers, not to mention the DOT boys, (gotta love ‘em in CA right? idiots!), etc., that you have to deal with nowadays? I use to miss it. Not anymore. Keep On Truckin Jimmy. The country needs you guys more than they’ll ever know! 42 on the side.

  • http://LLSTULER.wordpress.com Larry L. Stuler

    Actually the bankers planned to subvert American sovereignty as soon as the ink dried on the Declaration of Independence. Freedom was guaranteed because the Declaration stated that “all men are created equal”. The Constitution is constrained by this and it acknowledges this by only granting the gov’t jurisdiction over foreign commerce, interstate commerce, and trade with the Indians – the gov’t has no jurisdiction over intrastate commerce (human action) because “all men are created equal”. The banking headquarters of the world is in London. England lost the Revolutionary War on the battlefield, but sent in its bankers to slowly take control of the U.S. government. That was completed in 1933. The government is now operating as a bankrupt corporation (bankrupt to the bankers’ Fed) under the foreign commerce clause. Title 11 of the United States Code, “Bankruptcy”, is implemented by title 11 of the Code of Federal Regulations, “Federal elections”. In other words our elections are simply to elect a bankruptcy “administration”. You are considered a “U.S. citizen” – this is what the birth certificate is all about. A “U.S. citizen” is a person born in one of the states who then establishes a resident in a U.S. possession and also acquires U.S. possession citizenship (this is the 14th Amendment citizen – a citizen born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction). You also applied for a S.S.# on “Form SS-5″ – this is a federal employment form. You became a “taxpayer” which is defined at 26 CFR 2.1-1(a)(5) as a member of the Merchant Marine – a federal employee. The combination of “U.S. citizen” and “taxpayer” is known as a “U.S. resident” – you are considered a foreigner (you have U.S. possession citizenship and now reside in the states) and the government has complete sovereignty under foreign commerce. If you want to see the entire story go to “The Bankers’ Blueprint to Destroy American Sovereignty” at http://wp.me/pCW6e-7h where all of the actual laws are to be found. During the War of 1812 Britain was impressing our Merchant Marine into service for Britain’s navy. Social Security now means that we Americans are still being impressed into service to Britain.

  • Jimmy The Greek

    Off the subject but when do we all meet for tea and crumpets ? we can all leave our pistols in the car .

  • ROGER, Irish-Canadian LIBERTARIAN

    Right on Bob except you failed to mention ,in the case of the Rothschilds, they “LOANED” , first to Germany and then to Britain and then the U.S.A

    ….they seem to always BET on both sides that way they can’t lose…recall France under Napoleon and Britain at war. The bankers are PERFECT examples of Parasites and Psychopaths and like the cockroaches they are they MUST be crushed….check my email to you.

  • http://Yahoo Bob

    It seems that, If you ain’t got a war on, then you’re loosing money. I’m talking about the ones who control the money throughout the world, ie., Bilderberger, INC. Every war that I can remember caused a multitude of money to go to them that financed those wars and the deaths that became the results of those wars became incidental. However, massive amounts of money were accumulated and deposited via the blood that was spilled, the blood of the men who would at one time or another asked the question “what am I doing here?” And then, some would say, ” I’m here to conserve freedom, freedom for my family and for my country.” This, as it has all turned our, was and has never been what wars was all about. When two or more countries clash and desire war, let the ELECTED OFFICIALS don their battle gear and have at it. I know what I just wrote sounds adolescent, but going to war is far more adolescent. Of course, I have not addressed the war mongers, who want war 24/7/365. I remember finding that the enemies I kept at bay were armed by no other than the Russians. I, also, remember hearing Gen.Patton say that we beat the Germans, but the real enemy is still at large (Russians). (para phrased).

  • revnowwhilewecan

    We need to go the way of the Icelanders. They refused to pay the debt put unto them by their corrupt government and fired them ALL. There’s almost a total blackout here in the U.S. about this because THEY don’t want us to have anything to do with finding corrupt politicians and jailing them! Go Iceland!

  • troy stanton

    COMPLETE DISREGUARD OF FACTS,WE HAD A GOLD STANDARD DURRING WW II AND KOREA AND VITINAM …..YOU CANT CHANGE HISTORY BUT YOU CAN LEARN FROM IT..JUST JIBBERISH,INSERCURE LOOSERS SITTING AROUND BLAMEING EVERYONE AND ANYONE FOR THEIR FAILURES.

  • JOSEPH FOSTER

    Your comments lack logic and distort the facts. World War 11 was created by the collapse of the German economy and the German currency, it created massive UN employment. In spite of all of the evils committed by Hitler his economic achievement cannot be denied. Hitler used his military power to conquer all of the countries in Europe except the UK and Russia, his attempt to conquer Russia failed. For it was the Russian that broke the back of the German Army followed by the US and the UK. To attribute the cause by Bankers sways from the true cause of World war 11. The Russians zest for an empire decided to remain in Eastern Europe and not withdraw. The west was unable by military force to cause Russia to withdraw from Eastern Europe.
    Hitler cold blooded murder of Jews was the greatest act of evil committed by a human being in history. Britain stood alone to fight Tyranny, later on joined by the USA.
    The German people were deceived by this evil man and gave him more power in the end he brought massive destruction and pain upon the German people. When Hitler Army invaded Poland his Army committed the most heinous crime on the people. Most of all Polish Jews.

    Joseph Foster, and Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/”

    • PB

      This article is not totally accurate nor is your post.
      The United States did not come off the gold standard until Nixon, long after WWII. Who replaced it with the petrodollar. So this article is incorrect in it’s details, although maybe not in the heart of it.
      The greatest atrocity in history was not the 6 million Jews that hitler exterminated. Or the Polish Jews.
      In America we’ve already exterminated 100 million of the most innocent Americans (I’ll type it again AMERICANS) – unborn babies. We’re very hypocritical of ‘the media’ not being accurate or printing the truth. Let us look in the mirror first.

  • Will

    The Media has been leading the masses around by the nose like a bunch of blind bats since March 5 , 1915 / Beginning with the JP Morgan interests and their subsidary organizations, They Got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and hired them to select the most influential newspapers in the United states , and a sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press of the united states. These 12 men worked out the problem by selecting 179 newspapers and found it was necessary to only retain 25 of the greatest papers in order to brainwash the public. These 25 papers were agreed upon and emissaries were sent to purchase the policy national and international. The papers were bought and to be paid for by the month. An editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions preparedness militarism, financial policies, and other things of National and international nature considered vital to the interest of the purchasers. This contract is in existence at the present time, and it accounts for the news columns of the daily press. By 1917 JP Morgan and associates controlled 25 of our most influential papers. The atrocities stories were designed to raise public support for American entry in to World War 1.

  • coal miner 1

    http://realityreviewed.com/Freedman.htm
    A speech by a Jewish businessman in 1961 acknowledges complete Zionist control of the United States even then.

    • chuckb

      coal miner, the book “iron curtain over america” by john beaty confirms mr. freedmans speech.

  • Ann Wilson Kingsley

    I agree with the author. Also, one of Germany’s problems was the agreement made by the bankers that ended World War I. The heavy German reparation payments were insufferable during the Great Depression in Germany. This sparked World War II. There is an additional problem that people have not discussed in relationship to World War II. Great Britain and France should not have declared war on Germany because Germany was headed East to conquer the great Russian bear, not West. Conquests of Poland and other countries along the way were incidental. They were the gateway to Russia. Great Britain and France should have allowed Socialist Germany to wear itself out on Socialist Russia while they prepared for war. At that time, neither country, Russia nor Germany, was worth fighting for. The little countries that are gateways to Russia may have been allies, but they were already overrun. The French and British entry into the war was ill-timed because they were ill-prepared and this cost much more money and many more lives than would have been lost otherwise. The bankers make even more money when countries make really stupid mistakes!

    We see this same senselessness in our wars in the Middle East. Christians need to be fighting godless Socialism and Communism, not senseless religious wars. Israel’s defense system is excellent. Our American defense system cannot even begin to compare with Israel’s, and our likely enemies are not little countries like Iraq and Iran. The danger to the U.S. is Russia and China, not pipsqueak nations. The best offense is a good defense, and we do not have a decent defense, much less a good one. We moved our bases off to somewhere else in the world because we didn’t need to defend our homeland; we just needed to police other countries. Because we didn’t allow Germany to beat the Russians into the ground, we created a formidable enemy that has wanted to “bury us” for years, and we have little defense against an invasion.

    We now have more illegal immigrants coming in from China than we do Mexico. Mexico is veritably being colonized by China. But, we consider Mexico to be a buffer, and we do little to defend our Southern border. China could have hundreds of scuds hidden in Mexico at this writing, brought in under cover of the drug wars. In fact, that may be one of the reasons for the drug wars in Mexico. They make for an excellent diversion.

    • Jeff

      Ann:

      I agree that WWI was a travesty and the Versailles Treaty led inexorably to WWII. I’m not so sure you can lay the fault at the feet of the bankers, though. WWI itself was the result of incredibly poor leadership throughout Europe and that same leadership was responsible for the armistice and the Versailles Treaty. My understanding is Clemenceau basically told Wilson to “stick” his 14 points and he played hardball to “screw” the Germans as badly as he could. I am not aware what role the Bankers played in these negotiations, but I can’t imagine it was the Bankers who set the terms of the Treaty.

      As for the Bankers’ responsibility for the War, they clearly provided financing, but I don’t think they caused the War. It was the result of entangling alliances providing a powder keg set off by the assassination of the ArchDuke. Should that have started a war? No, of course not, but no one had any clue how destructive 20th century war would be. The leaders acted like they were living in an earlier time. Unfortunately, it took the disaster of WWI to jolt the world into the 20th century. Attributing such power and foresight to the Bankers is, I think, a mistake.

  • Karolyn

    Interesting skeptic’s view of the Rothschilds with respect to conspiracy theories. Includes a brief history of the family.
    http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4311

  • George

    Some of us get it. We support Ron Paul.

    • Deerinwater

      Unfortunately, Ron will not be on the ballot, finding lackluster support among alleged “conservatives”. Did someone “conspire” against Ron Paul to prevent this from being a possibility? Oh! most certainly so. Would those same forces be in play and hard at work to deny Ron Paul the President an effective administration. I tend to believe most certainly so, they lay in wait on both sides of the isle. Could Ron Paul be allowed to be a most effective President in today’s highly charged political climate? Only if the moon and stars lined up in perfect alignment and the rains in Spain stay mostly in the plains.

      Ron Paul would be a protest vote and throw the election to the half bleed, the guy that you’ve learned to love to hate. That guy that hired Hillary! The one with the horns and pitch fork!

      or ~ You can vote for “Sticky Fingers” Mitt. The man that saved the Olympics, he can light the Christmas tree, pardon the turkey, kiss babies and take orders from people that gave him this honored opportunity to serve his country and once again can America start it’s nation building for some other nation at the expense of Americans in blood and money.

      You and I have only two viable choices, 4 more for 44 or 8 for Mitt.

      Why not prepare for tomorrow’s success today and take the next 4 years building yourselves an electable candidate that better reflects your view rather than doubling down with a Hail Mary pass to a man that doesn’t, while you know that you will be stuck with him for 8 years?

      Hillary doesn’t want the 1st chair anymore, ~ She will only be more exhausted and 4 years older come 2016. Hillary & Bill are social animals but they are not the Energizer Bunny.

      Ron Paul is left to play the role of Moses, while he lead and directed the way, he shall not enter the land of the giants.

    • truesoy

      george;

      You support Ron Paul? why, he’d be disaster, really!

      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Yours is an assumption, based on zero evidence. It is in the nature of the “fool” to assume!

        • truesoy

          Jay;

          What do you mean -0- evidence; haven’t you heard the man’s nonsense, and his moronic ideas about what government should be?
          I believe that to be enough evidence, don’t you?

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

      • Butch

        TrueIdiot, you are easily the most moronic poster here. Either shut up or be able to discuss things intelligently. Ron Paul is the ONLY one who made any sense and he would have drawn from BOTH parties. But because he can’t be bought, the hopelessly corrupt GOP forced him out. Notice you provided ZERO evidence to support yr ignorant argument?

        • truesoy

          Butch…

          …the GOP forced him out? I thought it was the lectorate. Remember, he ost.
          Yes, Ron Paul lost. Not even the republican right-nut-wing wanted him.
          Rest my case.

          Sincerely,
          Truesoy

  • Deerinwater

    Everybody needs a “reason” , if you don’t have one, one will be provided for you.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      Even Many Reasons…

  • http://www.facebook.com/carolynsburgess Carolyn Burgess

    This is such rot!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    And this, from a progressive site: commondreams.org

    Barack Obama was used. Of course, he knew he was being used when he made the deal. But what he didn’t know was how quickly he would be used up.

    Obama made a deal to get the job in the first place.

    The deal was that he would carry on with Bush’s bailout of the banks, with Bush’s two wars, with Bush’s suppression of civil liberties, that he wouldn’t prosecute or even investigate any of the enormous fraud that had brought down the country, or the lies that had railroaded it into war.

    Even before he took office, he began fulfilling his end of the bargain. He appointed Larry Summers head of the National Economic Council.

    It was Summers, more than any other person, who was responsible for dismantling the Glass-Steagall regulations that had acted as a firebreak against banks looting the country since the Great Depression. Summers had made millions consulting for hedge funds before taking the office.

    Obama appointed Timothy Geithner Secretary of the Treasury.

    Geithner had been head of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, another central actor in the hear-no-evil-see-no-evil-speak-no-evil dereliction that passed for financial oversight in the Bush administration. He had been a major architect under Bush of the financial bailout that passed trillions of dollars to his former banking cohorts on the pretext of saving the system.

    Obama re-appointed Ben Bernanke chairman of the Federal Reserve Board.

    Before becoming Fed Chair, Bernanke had been Bush’s Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers. Together with Geithner, Bernanke is the person most responsible for the collapse, the one person who could have slowed the asset bubble while it was still possible. He had been at the helm of the Fed since February 2006 and a member of its board for years before that.

    Obama re-appointed Robert Gates, Bush’s Secretary of Defense, signaling that there would be profitable continuity with Bush’s wars, gulags, and other military expressions of empire. And then, of course, he quickly tripled the number of U.S. forces in Afghanistan even without a coherent strategy or even statement of goals.

    He put together a “stimulus package” of $787 billion when reputable economists were screaming that the collapse in demand from the Great Recession was at least four times that amount.

    Then, in an attempt to appease the Republicans, he made one third of it business tax cuts, despite the notorious ineffectiveness of such policies in generating jobs. When states cut back their payrolls and spending in the slump, it effectively neutralized the impact of Obama’s program. Yet he never seriously attempted to get more.

    He proposed no jobs program to employ the seven million people who had lost their jobs.

    No infrastructure program to repair the failing roads, bridges, tunnels, water and sewerage systems of the country.

    His anti-foreclosure program was a joke. Some three million homes will go into foreclosure this year alone while one in four mortgages are under water. The share of equity that middle class Americans own in their homes is now lower than it was before World War II.

    And now the conspicuous, embarrassing truth is that he’s not needed any more except as a tilt-up dummy sustaining the illusion of democracy. And you can see why.

    The rich owners of the country who put him into office in the certainty that he would be a smooth liar, able to sell the masses on the empty opiates of “hope” and “change” – they certainly don’t need him any more. Do the rundown.

    The owners of the banks don’t need him.

    They got their buddies, Obama’s appointees Geithner and Bernanke, to buy their trillions of dollars of toxic sludge with taxpayer money, saving them from imminent bankruptcy.

    They’ve got the Fed loaning them money at zero percent interest so they can loan it back to the government at three percent and to payday borrowers at hundreds of percent. It is literally a free, no-risk license to print money.

    The same bankers, the ones who caused the Great Collapse, got Obama to create the fiction of financial reform that left them bigger than they were before the collapse and with their exotic derivatives – Warren Buffet’s “financial weapons of mass destruction” – untouched. They are making the largest profits in their history and paying themselves the biggest bonuses on record. What do they need Obama for any more?

    The insurance companies don’t need him.

    They got him to create the fiction of health care reform by requiring 32 million Americans to buy their intentionally defective products and getting middle class chumps to pay for it. Their stock prices doubled as soon as the reform bill was enacted, a pretty clear sign of what the smart money boys knew about the deal.

    They got Obama to abandon his campaign promise of enacting a public option that would have actually brought down the cost of health care. So we still have a system that costs twice what any other industrial nation’s system costs and which delivers inferior results. It is still on track to bankrupt the country by consuming one out of every six (soon to be one out of five) dollars spent in the economy. What do they need Obama for any more?

    The weapons makers don’t need him. Since Eisenhower, they’ve been the king makers in American politics. They’ve gotten a continuation of the never-ending wars they have always been able to engineer.

    In fact Bush’s Secretary of Defense Gates, now Obama’s, commented recently that the U.S. was never going to leave Afghanistan. It’s clear who’s running that show. What do they need Obama for any more?

    The oil and gas companies don’t need him.

    They got the collapse of climate change legislation that they wanted at Copenhagen.

    Even as their products hurtle the earth toward inescapable calamity, they are left with effectively no restrictions on their poisonous products. What do they need Obama for any more?

    From the minute he took office, he has carried out his designated role of pacifying a rightly restive populace about their economic security while shifting ever more of the nation’s wealth to those who are already the most wealthy; of continuing the country’s program to impose its empire on other nations by force; of dismantling historic constitutional protections of the people against intrusive and abusive government; of subordinating the people to their new corporate masters.

    For a guy who’s billed as a “Great Communicator” he has utterly failed to articulate any narrative whatsoever of national transformation or renewal, of rescuing the nation from the precipitous downward spiral begun under Bush, his predecessor.

    He couldn’t even manage to pin ownership of the failed economy on Bush, even though the Great Recession started in December 2007, more than a year before Obama took office.

    It’s hard to feel sorry for Barack Obama. When all the politics, posturing, posing and pontification are over, his party lost because he betrayed his base and they could not stomach voting for his people or his party again.

    He’s proven himself a duplicitous executive and a feckless “leader” who has “led” the Republicans to their biggest pick-up in the House in decades. Now he has to live with it.

    But the damage is incalculable. It will last for generations. It will be an embarrassment to watch him try to pretend to be effective the next few months, with everyone – himself included – knowing that he is used up. But he is. Good riddance.

    http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/11/07

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    The Obama phenomenon is a hoax carefully crafted by the captains of the New World Order. He is being pushed as savior in an attempt to con the American people into accepting global slavery. We have reached a critical juncture in the New World Orders plans. Its not about Left or Right: its about a One World Government. The international banks plan to loot the people of the United States and turn them into slaves on a Global Plantation.

    Despite recent statements across the country by Governor Mitt Romney claiming he’s pro-life, pro-family and a committed conservative, a broad investigation of his actual statements, actions, and public positions over the years indicates that he has spent his entire career speaking and governing as a liberal – and that his new found conversion to conservatism very likely coincides with his candidacy for the presidency.

    The information in this report is gleaned from public records, press accounts, internet web sites and research (as well as personal observation) by my organization, MassResistance, a grass-roots pro-family group that has observed Governor Romney for over a decade.

    We have analyzed his legislation, met with his staff, lobbied for and against his agenda (depending what it is) and otherwise compiled considerable research on his administration.

    We have also been alarmed by misleading and glowing accounts about Romney which have appeared in the conservative media over the past year. The fact that these articles were based upon sloppy research and material supplied by the Romney camp gave us great incentive to set the record straight.

    Few national political writers have bothered to speak with any MassResistance member, or for that matter anyone critical of Romney’s record.

    One of the few conservative publications to expose Romney’s liberalism is the conservative weekly Human Events which (in a 2005 article) listed Romney at number eight on its list of “Top Ten Republicans in Name Only (RINOs).”

    Indeed, this report will demonstrate that Romney was probably the most pro-abortion and pro-gay rights Republican official in the nation for the last decade.

    Check it out: http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/

  • stan

    I like your article,it will be passed on . Would you write one short peice on all wars starting with ww1 up until the latest in Iran.Please include the connection of the wars & the FEDERAL RESERVE part in them !Thank You—hallaluyah.

    • Dick

      as far as I know, Stan, there is no war in Iran. How could I have missed it?

  • truesoy

    Bob Livingston;

    While it is true that bankers and other war profiteers make fistfulls of money, it is uncertain if all the blame for war, as you put it, can be all placed on the bankers for it might be that as the blood runs on the streets they find it to be the best time to make money.
    Notwithstanding their complicity in the war effort for financial gains, it might be a bridge too far to think they could advance this vast conspiracy to push nations to wage wars of such magnitude as WWII, and still keep it a secret. But I do realize though, that everything is possible within the scheme of things where money and power is at play.
    The one thing for sure I believe is that, whether for ‘good or bad’, we are being drawn into a one world government by the International Banking System, and it won’t make a difference whether we have a democrat, or a republican president, nor a libertarian.
    Kicking and screaming they’re taking us there.
    It’s inevitable. It will happen, I believe.

    Sincerely,
    Truesoy

  • cawmun cents

    Bottom line is right in front of us Bob,whether real or imagined,(in reference to the commodity)”he with the gold rules.”
    Much is made of pomp and circumstance,but there is a tendency to see the uber wealthy as the ruling body.Whether their wealth is real or(manufactured),doesnt seem to matter to the populace at large.
    “The Golden Rule “still stands.
    Military bodies need logistical support.If supply and demand cannot be met,then the armed force cannot be effective.
    Hence the old adage that”an army travels on its belly”.
    Financiers,are always behind wars.
    They go hand in hand with each other.
    Of course tactics,acts of God,and blind chance are often involved as well,but for the most part it is the logistical support of an army which makes it effective.
    What you are saying in this article is very true,but there is the politic of the opposing forces which determines the outcome of the warfare as well.
    The political rammifications of warfare,and the financing thereof,cannot be easily swept aside as if they have no meaning,whether in determining the outcome of warfare,or not.
    Cheers!
    -CC.

  • Noz Cavan

    The childrens of the banksters, send them off to the wars they created and see how fast the wars ends. when ever the wall street gangs want to starte a war, force their children to be drafted first and first in the front lines, any potential wars will not starte, I will gaurantee it, 1 Trillion percent.

  • JennieWalsh

    The House voted to audit the Federal Reserve today.
    If the good guys are on a roll (and I hope and pray that they are) maybe they should check to see if there is any gold in Fort Knox. Rumor has it that the international bankster-gangsters stole the gold years ago.

    • Jeff

      A lot of it’s at Mitt Romney’s house.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      It was only, changing of the Guard!

  • Dean Vargas

    Most people aren’t ready to believe this because they lack understanding in these matters; state education and a lack of on going self education has left them uninformed as to what is realy going on in world. This media and others like it are working to change that.

  • Doug

    I have trouble taking an article like this one seriously when EVIL people (like Hitler / Stalin / Mussolini / etc.) are left out of the blame.
    I also have trouble taking comments seriously when the writer is not intelligent enough to even spell simple words correctly.

  • Lawrence

    James 4: 1&2,”From whence come wars and fightings among you? Come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? Ye lust and have not: Ye kill and desire to have, and cannot obtain: Ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.”

  • Larry D. Miller

    WERE THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS THE SAME AS OUR INTERNMENT CAMPS?

    • Jeff

      Only to a Nazi sympathizer. The author, Pat Buchanan, Jimmy the Greek. Not to a person of normal cognition.

      • Erik

        I love the fairy tale of the 6 million dead jews. That’s a fave.
        That particular story was discredited when the Russians released the records of the internment camps some 20 years ago. Six million dead jews at Auchwitz became 1.1 million dead from typhus, with less than 30% being jewish. Auschwitz had 200 nurses and 15 doctors on staff. Kind of odd, for a “death” camp, don’t you think? Cling to your out-dated WW II propoganda, if it makes you feel better.

        • Jeff

          I’m amazed you finally found something Russian you believe in. Historically, the Russians have been far more anti-Semitic than the Germans.

        • JOSEPH FOSTER

          You are way off about Auschwitz I visited the camp, there were no 200 nurses, the Doctor was performing experiment on humans that ultimately dies. I saw the Gas chambers used to exterminate millions of Jews. The Nazi were rounding up all Jews from many of the countries they invaded some were taken to other prison of war camp made to work with less food, many died. I agree that many that were murdered by the Nazi regime were not Jews, but the majority were Jews.
          I am not a Jew but please do not distort facts, I personally before I wrote my book travelled to many countries in Europe to write a chapter about Auschwitz.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/”

          • Jeff

            It has always been the official Nazi view that either the Holocaust never happened or has been exaggerated, etc. Clearly, we have some real Nazis here: Erik and Jimmy the Greek. Maybe there are others. Beware, lying is their stock-in-trade.

      • waltinseattle

        erik is a denier and my thought is that he is not entitled to join a discussion while supplying himself with his “facts.” he can have an opinion, facts are not negotiable. Thus, he has no right to open his mouth and join the adults.

        I am troubled by those who try to point a finger at gov’t or bank and place 100% blame at that foot. These things are “overdetermined” and are not possible without many forces coming to a head, none are necessary, none are sufficient, but the wars inevitably come to be. So I don’t worry the “he started it” too far. I know the war happened, I know certain forces line up. I know bankers are needed, but no one of them in particular, just enough to float the misadventure for profits. It certainly must be seen like in the war trials with good germans who were just doing their job. Bankers “just doing their jobs,” civilian noncombatant jobs and pretending there is really an realm outside the moral realm where banking occurs, where actions don’t have consequences…it is a lie of the bankers to feel good, to deflect the righteous anger of millions who are affected.

        Wonderful article, nice conversation, except for the virus infected lying denialists.

  • http://www.dauntlesspost.com douglas dauntless

    The Federal Reserve bank was created by Woodrow Wilson and his alter ego Edward House, a devote Socialist/ Communist. He and Wilson convinced the Congress to give up printing our own money. I belive that all the Congressmen who voted to give away our money to private banks, knowing man for what he is evil, were bribed by the Banks with a guarantee that they and their families would receive a large amount of money for the rest of their familes lives. They sold us out. Like most polititions in power they aare Traitors.

    • Jeff

      “They sold us out. Like most polititions in power they aare Traitors.”

      Typos are one thing, but when you bloviate about politicians and spell the word like someone who speaks a different language, it’s hard to take anything you say seriously.

  • 7.62 X 39

    You people really believe all this B.S. that you have written? What vacuum are you living in? What country do you live in?

    • Butch

      Another moron who can’t rebut anything, just run his mouth. WHAT’S UNTRUE???

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Bob, Bob, Bob… You have some knoledge of what happened… But, Not the WHYS! BANKERS arn’t to blame ” They lost in the Great Depression, previously”.Religious Governments are the culpret… The Threat that the Christians were to conqure the Jews, for what they thought the Jews did to there Christ, and take their wealth, was the reason for the wars! Many, Humans seem to be stuck in the mire of Religion. All, suffer from it! Those that can escape, get wisdom!

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      Christians are on a rampage to get the Governments of the World Countries… United States, & its States, & its Counties, & its Cities… Don’t let it happen!

    • Butch

      WOW you are IGNORANT. What the hell are you talking about??/ Bob never said bankers, he said BANKSTERS, meaning the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, JP Morgans and their allies. They were the ones that called in all the loans and then refused to lend out money, causing the Great Depression. They are the ones who print money out of thin air, and loan it at interest to BOTH sides of a war and make money hand over fist, no matter how many people are killed. Religion has NOTHING to do w/ wars unless you mean the worship of money and power by the evil Rothschilds and their banking cartel.

  • Vincent Sr

    Live your life according to the Word of GOD and will of GOD and HE will make sure everything works out. HE will indeed lead you everyday if you get out of the way and let HIM. And you will know beyond any doubts it in GOD. Remember we live in a fallen world since the sin of Adam and Eve, and that sin fell down upon every soul that has walked this earth since Adam and Eve, as we are all children thru the flesh from Adam and Eve. And there is the devil who leads man into sinning, as he has since he lead Adam and Eve into sin. It’s up to each soul to walk with GOD and let HIM lead you thru this life. Without HIS leading you are going to have big problems. Jesus died on the cross for our sins and told us “You can nothing without me.” It’s up to you to stop making up reasons to not obey and follow HIM. You’ll be better off when you do. You can’t defeat the devil, the world and your own sinful flesh without Jesus, Heavenly Father and The Holy Spirit.

  • http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html Russ

    Read this and you will understand who controls the money and the world.
    http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html

  • Doug

    The Free Speech on this comment board is wonderful:
    It gives the willfully ignorant a place to demonstrate how Barack Hussein Obama got elected.

    Yes, Erik, I’d believe anything the Russians said. After all, they liberated the concentration camps, didn’t they? No, wait a minute. Ike had those thousands of photos taken so it couldn’t be denied. He knew of the coming willful ignorance.

  • Dick

    to the author:
    you said ” In reality, the only difference between the “good guys” and the “bad guys” was that the “good guys” had more guns.”
    as far as I remember, the good guys didn’t systematically murder millions of men, women and children just because they belonged to a certain ethnicity/religious faith.
    Your article is poisonous nonsense.

    • Vlad

      Dick, who has the most guns in the world, i mean which nation militarily, monetarily and politically dominate the world? Isn’t that country by mainstream media represent as “good guy” and all others (irak, iran, syria, libia, serbia, vietnam, north korea and so on) countries that at time have been or will be in the conflict with the states are represented as a “bad guys”? Aren’t there internationally courts to justified USA operations? Did you got the answer?

      • Doug

        It appears that by your (and the author’s) definition that if you have ‘less guns’, you can only be the bad guys. I suppose invading other countries to dominate them doesn’t fit your definition of evil. Since Germany had more guns than Poland (and many others) , they must be the ‘Good Guys’ and Poland was the ‘Bad Guys’? Does right and wrong mean anything to you?

  • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

    Prosperity for America

    During the height of the Great Depression many, if not most of Americans, were wondering when things would get better? The POTUS was promising a return to prosperity and was feeding and providing jobs for many through his communistic policies. It was a time of uncertainty for the business as well as the private sector. The POTUS was busy locking up many businessmen who weren’t going along with his form of communism. Is this just a story that I’ve concocted?

    No. History will show that FDR’s reign of terror was what kept this country and much of the world in a crisis. The problem was and still is that most didn’t see FDR as the malevolent dictator that he was. This country got what it deserved.

    Now it’s 2012 and we are headed into another election for a renewed or new POTUS. Will this country get what it deserves?

    Yes. The problem for many is that they don’t see how we could deserve such a malevolent dictator such as Barrak Obama? He was elected by a people who’s heart is desperately, possibly fatally, diseased. The next POTUS will be exactly what the heart of the people call for and get…no matter who wins the election. What’s wrong with this country?

    The people in this country, and the world in general, do not worship nor listen to YHWH. They have totally rejected him as king and have replaced his ways with the ways of the pagans which brings death with it.

    It would seem that after almost three thousand, yes, six thousand years, that mankind would have learned about worshiping the wrong way and the wrong gods? He hasn’t. He goes on denying the one and only true Creator of the Universe and at best they mix the true worship with false worship. Are the Christians doing any better than most do with their worship.

    No, almost all of them worship false gods whom they call by the name of Jesus, God, the Lord and the Holy Spirit. The greatest majority do this out of ignorance but too many do it out of defiance. They wish only to cling to the teachings of their parents. What happens next?

    That depends on the people. Many mistakenly believe that this country won’t fail because it hasn’t failed yet. What they don’t see is that the process leading to destruction takes hundreds of years and that it doesn’t happen over night…that is not until the end so they blindly continue in their sin. A note is in order here: this country’s greatness is due to unconditional promise made to Israel and his children. It’s this promise that YHWH has kept that made this country great. So, keeping our national greatness is dependent on keeping the correct faith.

    It took the ancient House of Israel hundreds of years of evil before YHWH finally displaced them from the Promised Land.

    2Ki 18:9 And it came to pass in the fourth year of king Hezekiah, which was the seventh year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Shalmaneser king of Assyria came up against Samaria, and besieged it.

    2Ki 18:10 And at the end of three years they took it: even in the sixth year of Hezekiah, that is the ninth year of Hoshea king of Israel, Samaria was taken.

    2Ki 18:11 And the king of Assyria did carry away Israel unto Assyria, and put them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes:

    2Ki 18:12 Because they obeyed not the voice of YHWH their Elohim, but transgressed his covenant, and all that Moses the servant of YHWH commanded, and would not hear them, nor do them.

    It may have taken hundreds of years to get to the point where the so infuriated YHWH that he finally dispossessed the people from the land but it was almost like it was over night when it finally happened.

    Here’s what the Children of the House of Israel did:

    1Ki 12:27 If this people go up to do sacrifice in the house of YHWH at Jerusalem, then shall the heart of this people turn again unto their lord, even unto Rehoboam king of Judah, and they shall kill me, and go again to Rehoboam king of Judah.

    1Ki 12:28 Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

    1Ki 12:29 And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan.

    1Ki 12:30 And this thing became a sin: for the people went to worship before the one, even unto Dan.

    1Ki 12:31 And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi.

    1Ki 12:32 And Jeroboam ordained a feast in the eighth month, on the fifteenth day of the month, like unto the feast that is in Judah, and he offered upon the altar. So did he in Bethel, sacrificing unto the calves that he had made: and he placed in Bethel the priests of the high places which he had made.

    1Ki 12:33 So he offered upon the altar which he had made in Bethel the fifteenth day of the eighth month, even in the month which he had devised of his own heart; and ordained a feast unto the children of Israel: and he offered upon the altar, and burnt incense.

    Israel did worse than this though, they incorporated the worship of most deities from the lands surrounding them. They worshiped Ishtar (Easter), Tammuz (Mithra), Baal Peor (the Lord), Gath (God), Wodin (Odin) and others. Modern Israel has incorporated the worship of Jesus (the son of Zeus) who was born on the birth date of Tammuz, died on Gath Friday, and was resurrected on the Day of Ishtar (Easter).

    1Ki 16:26 For he walked in all the way of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, and in his sin wherewith he made Israel to sin, to provoke YHWH Elohim of Israel to anger with their vanities.

    Now to end this: the United States is but a small part of modern Israel. The United States has been around for hundreds of years walking in the way of Jeroboam the son of Nebat and it has provoked YHWH to action. Prosperity will not return to the United States unless it stops provoking YHWH with it’s sin of worshiping false gods (among other things). To be fair though, the people of the United States practiced what they did out of ignorance of the correct way. They are no longer ignorant.

    The industrial infrastructure that helped give us a standard of living that few have enjoyed has been taken from us so there is no way for us to return to those good old days without the blessings of YHWH. So hear Modern Israel, return to me says YHWH and I will place my son Yahoshua to rule over you with righteousness and truth and by my set apart Spirit(power). I’ll make you a stench to the world if you don’t return to me. I place before you life and death, blessings and curses therefore choose life that you and your children shall live.

    • Jeff

      The industrial standard of which you speak – was it pre or post-FDR? And who was permitted to participate? I’ve read a lot of your posts and have communicated with you in the past, but I had no idea you were so disturbed. When was this time we had the Truth on our side? It’s curious how these mythical times seem to coincide with times that weren’t so great for many, many people. We had a brief period of super-prosperity following WWII when the rest of the world was recovering. If we want to maintain a middle class existence, we may have to reconsider the purity of our “free trade” policies with countries paying workers like dirt and exercising little, if any, regulation over the manner in which factories operate. Our labor and environmental standards mean little if manufacturers can just off-shore the production and still sell here.

      I don’t claim to have the answers, but I know what some of the questions are. And I don’t think you’ll find too many answers in the Bible though there is much wisdom to be found there so long as you keep in mind the stories were meant as parables and metaphors and not as literal truth.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Jeff, Since you don’t believe in what I write then don’t worry about it as it means nothing to you…at least not yet. I’m not as disturbed as you think. Actually, I feel great most of the time but like some I have my down times. That’s life.

        Our individual life styles have always been different from one another, mostly because of the way we behave. I don’t blame anybody for what I don’t have and I only give credit to YHWH for what I do have.

        What’s real will affect you whether you believe in it or not. Things will not get substantially better because of any president’s policies. The people in this country are sick to death because of the way they think and behave and there is a judgement that has been passed and it’s effects are just around the corner. You’d better get ready for it.

      • truesoy

        Jeff;

        It is useless to argue with Katrael, or the likes of Katrael, for when they can’t give a logical and sensible answer they defer to God all answers to the matter, and how could you or anyone argues with Him?
        Yes Jeff, Katrael is one of those that yearns for the simple days of the past, when the earth was flat, and was located at the center of the Universe, and we live peacefully.
        Ahh, those were the good old days!!!!
        Or maybe Katrael means just pre-civil war?

        Sincerely
        Truesoy

  • http://whatgoesaround@com Roy J Chambers

    Hogwash makes pigs clean. On the other hand it destroys History. Mr. Livingston,– who knows not his history—is knee deep in hogwash on this one.

    • Butch

      Yet you can’t even begin to exlain why, liar. Bob is dead on with this. These are FACTS. What? You want to believe the US is the “good guys”? LMAO

  • waltinseattle

    thentoo, chris argues the negative: says “i never heard german planed to invade.” well, there we have it, the definitive…if he never heard it never was so. Ah such sharp logic, how can we reply? laughter comes to me most readily…..

  • waltinseattle

    seems our host wants to consider my eligability, yes I got in his face. so here, with no further editorial lowblows. Mex, Germ, WW2 ? an invasion?
    http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/678-mexico-forgotten-world-war-ii-ally
    http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/678-mexico-forgotten-world-war-ii-ally

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear waltinseattle,

      You write: “seems our host wants to consider my eligability, yes I got in his face. so here, with no further editorial lowblows. Mex, Germ, WW2 ? an invasion?” What are you talking about?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • waltinseattle
  • rehmat1

    Blaming Banksters for the financial Holocaust is “old-fashined anti-Semitism”, David Brooks.

    http://rehmat1.com/2011/10/16/is-occupy-wall-street-movement-anti-jewish/

    • http://www.facebook.com/lucy.mauterer Lucy Mauterer

      You’re assuming, I think, that all bankers are Jewish. At least that’s how your comment sounded. My daddy was a banker and we are not Jewish. He became a banker right after WW II.

  • Butch

    Reading these self-embarrassing posts from the blissfully ignorant sheeple explains EXACTLY how frauds like Obumma, both Bushes and Robmey can get elected. Idiots STILL buy into the lie of “Left vs Right”. Which is EXACTLY how our Bankster masters want it. NOTHING Bob says here is untrue. I’ll admit its the first time I’ve read it in an article, had only seen it before in thoroughly researched books. Notice the naysayers can’t provide a SINGLE intelligent rebuttal? Just whining and ad hominems. Its sad that people have no idea who their rulers are, the NWO/ Federal Reserve/the Rothschilds/Banksters. They’re all the same or are inextricably linked. Its an exclusive club and YOU aren’t in it. “its much easier to fool someone that to convince someone they’ve been fooled”.

  • waltinseattle

    in fact invesent w.st. houses are very wasp. although the wasp schols have had a spat of affirmative action to promote jewrish students…that is not the same as letting them into the firm, promoting them to partner or allowing them to the social clibs. same for greeks, several books have brought this to my attention…first to join this or that old boy waspnest firms…and proud. and those wasps,
    aint they bankaters tooo?

  • waltinseattle

    in fact investment w.st. houses are very wasp. although the wasp schools have had a spat of affirmative action to promote jewish students…that is not the same as letting them into the firm, promoting them to partner or allowing them to the social clubs. same for greeks, several books have brought this to my attention…first to join this or that old boy waspnest firms…and proud. and those wasps,
    aint they bankaters tooo?

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