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DNC Leader Blasts Republican Pledge

September 28, 2010 by  

DNC leader blasts Republican pledgeIn the wake of the Republicans' recently announced "Pledge to America," liberals have responded with sharp criticism of their rivals' agenda.

According to Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine, the 21-page document crafted by GOP House leaders will send the United States back to the same Bush-era policies that led to "a second Great Depression."

Kaine urged voters to consider the repercussions of a Republican-controlled Congress that plans to extend tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans.

"Do we continue to have Democrats making it the job of the government to fight for working families or do we permit Republicans to use government to benefit special interests at the expense of the American people?" Kaine said.

The "Pledge to America" has garnered disapproval from some conservative pundits, as well. Erick Erickson of RedState.com said the pledge is "an illusion" that focuses on issues the GOP should already be tackling, and it doesn't include plans for dealing with the long-term role of the Federal government.

For Republicans to gain a majority in the House of Representatives, they need a net gain of 39 seats in November's midterm elections.

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  • s c

    What we have here is a failure to communicate. Mr. Kaine, supreme airhead, dares to claim that ‘Republicans’ have corned the market when it comes to “using government to benefit special interests at the expense of the American people.” In other words, Mr. Kaine never looks at a mirror, and he has NO idea what absolute hypocrisy means.
    Is Kaine so STUPID that he’s unaware what Herr Obummer is doing to America? Obummer couldn’t do his evil deeds without catering to special interests. No wonder conservatives have no use for people who are self-made RETARDS. No wonder Obummer and his fellow criminals are completely out-of-touch.
    He who walks around with his head jammed up his rump is destined to fall. Enjoy the rush as you fall all the way from the heights to rock bottom, progressives. Make sure your insurance is paid up, you miserable, scumbag sheepdips.

    • HFlashman

      A toothless pledge, crafted for political purposes and not taking into account the most desired and wanted portions of those who “voted’ on the website. uh huh … (Earmarks got the 2nd highest # of votes according to the running tabulations on that website used for voting…not eve mentioned in the so-called ‘pledge’)

      Short on specifics (none), no timeline for “enacting’ the pledge, nada. It’s a toothless old dog promising nothing but …..nothing.

      Just think…vote GOP and return to the past. The graft, the corruption, the sweetheart deals, the wars for benefitting the oil giants at the expense of young American lives, the rippng up of our Rights, liberties and freedoms, the Middle Class being attacked and pushed under, the uber rich getting more wealth.

      If the GOP were serious about Middle America…about us … would they stop tax relief to the Middle class so a few wealthy could continue to take advanatage of the system and add another $600 billion to the deficit? Would they kill legislation targeting small bsiness for tax relief, loan credits, grants….because mega corpations weren’t included in the definition of ‘small” ? Would they have begun the false hysteria over a ficticious “death clause” in the health care bill…using it only to forward the interests of the oligarchy of insurance companies? Would they have apologized to BP for the anger and investigations of BP’s killing the Gulf economy? Would they have opposed any energy bill that did’t favor Big Oil? Would they have oppsed financial reform unless it gave the Big Banks what they wanted?

      Yeah..the GOP…promising nothing but enslavement. And y’all are going to vote for that…

      • Anthony

        POT calling the KETTLE …black?

        No need to further lambast this boil….

        • denniso

          The ‘Pledge’ is pathetic and an illusion, as described by Erick Erickson of Redstate.com. So it’s not only Dems who see it as the joke it is.

          This meaningless mantra of ‘smaller gov’t’ that is everywhere in the jargon of the so called ‘conservatives’ and tea party people is also a joke. Smaller? Smaller than what? Smaller than Bush’s gov’t that doubled the debt in 8 yrs? Smaller than the gov’t of Haiti? The ‘pledge’ makes no mention of actual gov’t spending it would cut, and so is hollow. It and most here also ignore that we have the lowest fed taxes in memory, and that’s partly why we are running deficits every year, even befor the crash.

          The ‘Pledge’ should read, “protect the wealthiest among us, protect corporations from gov’t regulations, increase the gap between the rich and middle class and poor,and never fail to go to war at the drop of a hat.”

          • Jeep

            So? Obama’s promises are pathetic and an illusion too. Again, so?

          • Robert Smith

            Obama would be getting much more done if it weren’t for the Repugs and the party of “NO”.

            Rob

          • Denniso

            When 9/11 happened under a Republican prez and congress, the Dems rallied around the flag, so to speak. The great recession has negative impact on more people, the whole country,except for the rich, and the Repubs do all they can to throw wrenches into the various plans to save and restart the economy. If there was a rallying around the economic problem, it might very well be fixed by now.

            The Repubs decided even before Obama was in office that their best chance to regain power was to block and obstruct him even if it means
            wrecking the economy and country. Self serving hypocrites…don’t reward them for their destructive ways.

          • http://MSA Kirby

            maybe Bush did double the debt in 8 years, Obummer tripled it in 6 months

          • Granny Mae

            Denniso

            You dems have had the majority since Obama took office so what is your problem? The majority rules! Remember ?

          • Denniso

            Kirby, no, Obama hasn’t trippled the national debt…you’re confused.
            The yearly deficit has gone up to about 1.5 trillion,from about .5 trillion under Bush. The total debt has increased by about 1/3rd in the past 2 yrs, not trippled. If Obama and Bush both hadn’t spent money to stabilize the economy,we would probably be in a full depression right now. Have you noticed the stock market is approaching
            it’s previous level? Monthly job growth is occuring,just not enough to account for the new job seekers every month.

      • Wayne

        That’s right, Hflashman. Let’s do turn back the clock to when this country was the greatest country on earth due to peoples honestly, hard work and work ethic before the government started taking over our lives. Answer this, if this was not the greatest country on earth why do so many people want to come here? Under the free market system (Capitalist) since the last 100 years or so, look at what this young country has done. We invented the airplane that you fly in, we have mass produced the automobiles in this country that you most likely own, or use and many, many other things to numerous to mention. Under this administrations ideology this could never have happened. Compare the United States with the Communist, or Socialist countries over the same time period and see what they have done. People like you complain all the time, but you continue to stay in this country and enjoy the fruits of it’s labor. If I hated this country as much as you, and some of your liberal friends, I would leave and never come back. If you continue to stay here, quite your whinning, and read the Constitution. It just might enlighten you.

        • HFlashman

          Wayne…most of the beginning of your diatribe I agree with. the Decline is easy to spot…look at the data. 1981. From there, with the exception of a short 6 year span (Clinton’s last 6 years), it has been steady as the Middle Class was under attack.

          Last i heard, US auto’s are still being made by US Companies because of this administration…the GOP would have killed it off putting hundreds of thousands on the streets. As well as the remainder of your rants. Under the GOP…Federal powers have increased, state powers decreaeed, taxes overall have goe up, deficits have skyrocketed, and we are weakened economically, militarily, and emotionally.

          And you say this administration is bad…when the Conservatives have screwed it up so badly the past 30 years?

          As for the Constitution…unlike you, I have more than a 7th grade mentality when it comes to understanding that document and hat it stands for. Though having that 7th grade outlook does allow you a good rant…even though is nonsense.

          • slickporsche

            You are dead wrong about the GOP, they would have done the same thing with the auto industry, but I cannot say about Wall Street and the banking, but I do know when the Republicans are in control we enjoy better times and less unempoyment. I can remember back a long way. THe liberal way will not, can not, never has, and never will work.History has proven that. You liberals are not going to be able to do much more damage to this country, and I know you can see the handwriting is on the wall. Good BY!

          • barbm

            as far as auto companies, those people need to be out of work for a while to see how the rest of us live. unions are to blame for the ridiculous wages these people who have no college are making. they’re also to blame for the companies failing. they could move those plants to texas, a right to work state, with no jobs lost. workers could move here or they could hire texans to build american cars. as long as people are working, jobs are not lost, just moved around. and just how many of you folks on here own american cars? not many, i bet. i believe you should dance with the one who took you to the ball. BUY AMERICAN!!

          • CJ

            You claim to have more than a 7th grade mentality, but you haven’t shown us anywhere you’ve used it. You argue untruths, and point at statistics that are the result of acts put in place by liberals. If you use the mentality you claim to have, you would know it takes time for policies to have an effect. Even in economics, there is the short run, and the long run, the long run being the better indicator. Economies adjust to policies, and the bad results of a bad policy takes years to become evident. Dems put most of the distructive policies in place, Republicans tryed to make them work, but you can’t fix a bad policy except to replace it. And you liberals are so loving of your handouts from the government, you can’t see they are the exact problem that keeps us enslaved.

          • 45caliber

            flash:

            The last I heard the ONLY American made car was made by Toyota. The US companies have everything except final assembly made elsewhere and then claim it is American made because they drop the body on the frame and put in enough screws to hold it together.

            Incidently, how many cars do you know that uses only American bolts and threads? I don’t know of any. All are metric – which means they were made overseas.

          • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

            You’re wrong. It’s not the performance of Republicans over those decades that has created today’s situation. Granted, Repubs have made many mistakes.

            ====>It is the liberal’s insatiable desire for entitlements that is doing the most damage to the middle class. Witness the financial disaster many states and the fed are facing. The Constitution gave us rights to everything we are willing to earn, not everything we are willing to want.

          • Wayne

            Hflashman, where are you going to find a poor man that can hire you. How much can that poor man afford to pay you? Now come on, you think you are so smart, figure that one out, and please come back and let us know. I really do believe you are a lost cause. Sorry to have to say that.

          • Wayne

            One more thing Hflashman, Clinton had a Republican Party in power to help him out by giving him assistance in his administration. How about that? They brought him back to the center from the far left. Obama does not have that help from the Republicans since he only listens to the Democrats who are in power now. Just wait until November and hopefully the Republicans will have the power again and will be able to give Obama some assistance.

          • http://MSA Kirby

            Are you saying the constitution is a bunch of NONSENSE. come on, Obummer and the demo congress doesn’t believe in the constitution they threw it under a rug like a pile of dirt.

          • Granny Mae

            barbm,

            I do! I own 4 of them and they are all paid for !

        • Dick Gazinia

          Perhaps it is not true, but a documentary on the History Channel said that Corvettes are made in the US with US parts as will be the Chevy Volt.

          • 45caliber

            It may be … now that GM is owned and run by the White House. It’s a good political move for them …

          • dan az

            Dick Gazina
            the chevy volt is a carolla made buy toyota!

          • pgmjr

            45 Caliber…spoken like a true lugnut…Corvette has been a success story for General Motors since 1953…Long before it became Government Motors…Do you always make-up facts to suite your personal beliefs??

          • JC

            The “fact” the GMC might as well stand for Government Motors Corp. in not diminished by GM’s history. That history was washed away with a stroke of a Government pen. Now it’s just another subsidized Government enterprise. Boycott GM until it is once again privately owned or has new owners.

          • 45caliber

            pgmjr:

            The last thing I heard about Corvette was that the motor and much of the rest of it was now made in other countries. It was definately a success for GM and they made it originally. But, as I said, NONE of their cars are made entirely in the US. Most of it is made overseas and shipped in. The ‘factory’ barely has to put two parts together so they can call it a “Amercian made” car. Many other companies do the same thing with other items.

          • dan az

            dick
            45 is correct when saying that the engines are put together in mexico I know this as a fact I have bought two of them!

          • Granny Mae

            That is so true. My cars are all American because they were made before 1986! Now days you just can’t claim that about most any car !

        • Nina

          Thank you!! I am amazed at some of the comments I’m sseing on this
          blog. Do they really think that Obama has helped this country?? Everything he does has the direct result of breaking down the democracy and the freedom we enjoy. He is currently tying the hands of the military in Afganistan and doesn’t even mention the word Victory with regard to the war. He insists on pulling our troops out in July 2011 regardless of how the effort is going. If you’re going to commit to a war then COMMIT. Be all there and stay until the jobh is done. How about the Obamacare that was passed against the majority of the American people, or the fact that he’s suing Arizona instead of backing them up in their effort to control the immigration problem. He is not for this country, he is a mole who’s only adjenda
          is to break down this counrty so that he can have greater control in the end. He has spent more money than all other presidents combined in the short time he’s been in office. He’s a joke and I’m looking forward to the day that he’s removed from office. Hopefully by way of immpeachment as soon as possible!

      • Brad

        Flash in the pan,

        Look what Obama and company have given us so far, more deficit spending than any US President in history, social programs designed to enslave our country. Programs, regulations all designed to bleed the US economy, unemployment at 9.6% (15% actual) nationaly, unions corrupting their people and politicians, and socialists and homosexuals in positions that directly affect every single American. I’m looking at the big picture, the stimulus money that gave thousands a job expires Thursday, thousands more on the unemployment list. Taxes, congress is doing nothing, then after the mid-term election they’ll try to pass something that will fail and on Jan 01, 11 all of us will see drastic increases in our taxes and this is what you want for our country. You want to see this country brought down to it’s knees financialy, you want us to fail, well this kid want’s this country to win because this republic was built on freedoms granted to us by God and no other. God Bless America

      • Warrior

        Flashy, you must be getting really excited about the BIG Rallies coming up in October, you know the ones with Jon Stewart and all your little communist buddies that plan on attending. Are you a member of the Young Communist League yourself or SEIU?

        • Jeep

          Aren’t they one and the same?

      • Bluebonnet

        That’s right….turn back the clock! Stop this senseless waste and spending. Those who keep pitting the rich against the poor have no real concept of anything, particularly the opportunity for individuals to earn and keep the fruits of their own labor without theft from the government. Theft is not a good approach to anything. It’s a good thing to want to work and become an achiever in life. The Republican pledge is a start in the right direction. Repealing this monstrosity of a health care bill is certainly a good first step. The health care bill is still being written and we still don’t know what’s in it or what will be in it. Much of it is left to interpretation…..by whom? It has not been appropriately debated, questioned, or well-thought out, except from a communist point of view and from a secretive position. We have no idea who even wrote this bill or parts thereof. It seems from left brained people. The Democrats just came out and threw it at us. It is a huge fraud against the people sold as FREE health care or health care for all. Just a lie! Get it repealed and take “proper” steps to reform health care to keep decisions between doctor and patient, not some clerk in an office without windows. Get real! And cut with the crap about blaming others. That’s a cop out. Deal with the here and now and move forward in the right direction. We should all be able to work together on taking back this country from the Marxist minds of yesterday.

        • 45caliber

          The Dems constantly argue that we should “tax the rich”. But the Dems have as many or more millionares than the GOP does! Do they plan to tax themselves? Or do they plan to do as many of Oblama’s appointees did … simply ignore paying it?

          • Christin

            45caliber,

            Agreed.

            I would NOT consider $200,000 to $250,000 to be RICH as the WH & congress wants you to think… they are just well to do or doing well. BO & congress are using this amount of income to CAP what we all should be making and conditioning everyone to think that is a lot WHEN IN REALITY WHAT “THEY ARE MAKING” IS A WHOLE FREAKING LOT!

            I would consider millionaires which includes most of the old Congress farts who are milking-the-system and stealing from your pockets to be RICH maybe better stated as WEALTHY. If DEMs refuse to keep the Bush Tax cuts in 2011, which it appears they want to do by their unwillingness to put it to a vote in congress RIGHT NOW, taxes on the RICH SHOULD APPLY TO THEIR (WH & congress’) BULGING WALLETS.

          • zarquiekia

            I agree with you 45caliber.

          • Granny Mae

            45caliber

            From what I’ve seen those dems. that Obama has put in office don’t pay their taxes so they don’t care what he does as far as the tax situation is concerned !

        • slickporsche

          Very excellent post and to the point exactly.

      • DavidL

        Once again, the Republicans in Congress prove they are incompetent. There is no way I’m going to vote in November for a Republican. As they say, “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.” Here is an economic analysis of their Pledge to America:

        http://www.peoplesworld.org/republican-pledge-kill-jobs-give-money-to-rich/

        • CJ

          This is a BS analysis, and makes false predictions that have NO basis in true economics.

          • DavidL

            More FactCheck on Republican lies and incompetence:

            The Republican “Pledge to America,” released Sept. 23, contains some dubious factual claims:

            * It declares that “the only parts of the economy expanding are government and our national debt.” Not true. So far this year government employment has declined slightly, while private sector employment has increased by 763,000 jobs.
            * It says that “jobless claims continue to soar,” when in fact they are down eight percent from their worst levels.
            * It repeats a bogus assertion that the Internal Revenue Service may need to expand by 16,500 positions, an inflated estimate based on false assumptions and guesswork.
            * It claims the stimulus bill is costing $1 trillion, considerably more than the $814 billion, 10-year price tag currently estimated by nonpartisan congressional budget experts.
            * It says Obama’s tax proposals would raise taxes on “roughly half the small business income in America,” an exaggeration. Much of the income the GOP is counting actually comes from big businesses making over $50 million a year.

          • Granny Mae

            David L,

            FactCheck has affiliations with Obama so don’t expect unbiased answers from them !

      • 45caliber

        Flash:

        “turning us back to slaves” huh?

        Take a look at American history sometime. The Dems were in favor of slavery and the GOP was against it prior to the Civil War. If we go back in time, as you suggest, I guess that the Dems would still be in favor of slavery, right?

        • CJ

          If you look even closer to the history, the only reason blacks switched to the Dems was they were “bought” by being offered money to vote multiple times. One Dem would pay the poll tax for thousands, register false names, then pick up various people, bus them around and tell them how to vote. It’s right there in the history books.

          • 45caliber

            Where do you think ACORN got the idea??

          • Christin

            CJ,
            I just found out in neighboring Houston (That’s liar Dem Sheila Lee-Jackson’s district) that they found 25,000 people had voted in 2008 that had the same addresses used up to six times and some addresses were to empty lots or unlived in houses. After further investigation (not by liberals obviously) they found only 1,000 of those 25,000 votes were made by “real” registered persons. The FBI was called in and started to look into the “voter fraud” when the building holding the 2008 voting machines burned down… imagine that. Bye, bye evidence.

            I say that confirms that MULTIPLE FALSE VOTES were made to the obama/biden 2008 election. Bet those two Marxists would NOT have WON without CHEATING and STEALING all those VOTES across America… because if it happened here, then it happened in your neighborhood, too.

          • Granny Mae

            Christin,

            You got that right ! This was the most corrupt election ever. From the bogus birth certificate to the questionable campaign funds to the voting. Now looking back on all that, can you imagine what we have to contend with in the next two elections?

      • guyb

        A pledge huh,Well my guess is any pledge is better than completely breaking all of your campaign promises all together…. Lets see, I promise c-span so all of America can see who is working for the people and who is not..Lets pass this 787 billion dollar stimulus bill and we will create jobs. Hurry pelosi,cut the water to 50,000 farms and farm workers in northern calif and you can still have all the water you need for your million dollar vineyards,(we can blame Bush)or delta smelt might go extinct,don’t tell anyone we can raise millions of little delta fish like we do trout etc.We need to do this to keep the American people down. How else can we get socialism started in full force?Whatever you do don’t let them audit the spent stimulus money or the American people will find out how much is missing. Remember, this is your dnc theives and we need to vote them out. A vote for the dnc is a vote for socialism.

        • Granny Mae

          guyb

          good post. I’m with you.

      • http://charter howe

        There are many people like Hflashman who think the GOP will be worse than the unholy trinity of Obama, Pelosi and Reid and that is amazing. If your life is morallly bankrupt then maybe you don’t care what happens to the Republic since you can’t seem to get a piece of the action. The trouble is that when freedom is gone because WE THE PEOPLE are not accountable and responsible, the freedoms never come back.The democrats promised hope and change and we got more of the same bull crap, except its on steroids now. After almost two years we have three times as much debt as Bush left behind and with a democratic majority in both the House and the Senate the only legislation that got priority attention last year was the failed stimulus and the job killing, budget busting, massively unpopular OBAMACARE plan that must be repealed before 28 other states go broke like Calif and New York from medicaid increases that are forced upon everyone by Obamacare and the law which creates the govt office that will oversea medicaid. Joblessness and the constant spending bills to prop up teachers jobs and extend the 99 weeks of unemployment at taxpayer xpense is nice for specific individuals but since the country is broke that is debt that is accumalating on our children. 30 million illegals are using American resources at an enormous rate and is the number 1 or 2 reason we are broke and moving into the debt crisis mode. I am reminded of a book called arguing with idiots and the bottom line is, until people get educated with the political landscape and ask the right questions and then react as a proactive voter the real arguments and compromises cannot be made because logic and reason are non-components of the socialist progressive liberal democratic agenda. Pelosi and Reid do not serve WE THE PEOPLE, they operate in a nanny vacuum because they think they can render judgements for the Americn people based on their ideology which is best for all of us. Ge your head out of your butt and do something for you country instead of denigrating others and whining about our political future when you have less than nothing to offer your fellow countrymen, which is exactly what the liberal democrats offer. You have fredom of speech but not freedom of stupidity even if it is only a moral wrong. If we could get rid of the ethics violators and crooks in the House we wouldn’t even need an election, but the real world says to have a better life we have to find common ground and work hard to reach our goals. I spent 29 years in the military and worked 50 years of my life to be able to enjoy retirement but maybe I will lose the social security I worked and paid into for 50 years. I will live on my military retired pay but being a vet with 60% disabilities may not allow me to be a wall mart greeter more than part time, but I accept the reality of the situation and I’m not going to use my war time skills or my pit bull attitude to wreck the country that I love and is the best country in the world. I dislike how Congress both sides have allowed this entitlement to become an extinct species through mismanagement like Pelosi using 2018 food stamps to fund todays unemployment applicants for more than 99 weeks through a 26.3 Billion mini-stimulus that was passed by democrats and one or two rino’s. If you have’nt found a job in two years you have decided not to move to a location for work or you don’t want to take a little less when offered and get more for sitting home then thats not fair to taxpayers and is a waste of time for these govt unemployment agencies trying to help people get employed. My point is this kind of spending has been killing the job market and our economy for a decade and with the takeover of the House and the Senate by the democrats in 2006 and 2007, nothing has changed except there has been accelerated spending and taxing the past two years and a I would like to add another disturbing piece of news and that President Obama and the Democratic majority have nationalized over 55% of our country under the control of the govt with over 40 CZARS all of which is not under the controll of Congress which defeats the idea of freedom and democracy and is why we vote for Congress people so we can have our voices heard. The President appears to be trying to take over the country. That is what a dictator would want to do, so why are you OK with that? In the military I fought against commies and I hope my countrymen won’t allow that to happen. You can never trust elected officials or govt because the percentages are high that they will be involved in some type of corruption large or small especially if they get tempted by special interests and lobbiest. Power absolutely corrupts, thats why our founding fathers created the Constitution and the declaration of independence and the rule of law. If the republicans do not live up to the pledge to America there is another election in 2012 and they can be voted out, but you must give them a chance to work us out of the situation that we are in. Our country hangs in the balance, we can have our war of words after we see if the Repubs are going to do something or just talk a good game.

        • slickporsche

          I think we may need to get the republicans out also, but not until the Dems are gone. WE really need a government run by the constitution, and the people for the people. It appears they do everything against the constitution. Our government spends more money overseas than here and is more concerned about what goes on overseas than here. It is very shameful of them indeed. I can see a civil war coming if things do not improve after November. Sad to say, it is probably the only way things will return to a constitutional government. In my opinion, we need to arrest everydamn one of them and put them in the FEMA camps that are cropping up all over the damn place. We then install a new government. This is what I really want and am willing to fight for. Get rid of the career bandits.

          • Granny Mae

            I am with you all the way !

        • http://MSA Kirby

          we ned to vote out all the greedy lawyers in the house and senate .
          and put in some HONEST ones, if we coud find an honest lawyer

          • Granny Mae

            Kirby,

            Is there such a thing? Does such an animal exist ?

      • Bill

        I Agree!!!The gop is a hypocrital lying self serving bunch of “holier than thou-better than thou and richer than thou “bastards that will stop at NOTHING for their own personal gain!!! Don’y be a fool and vote for one of them!!!!

    • Carole Howell

      s c

      Do you realize the Bush tax cuts during a time of war is exactly what is the biggest reason this country is so deeply in debt today? You do not cut your revenue at the same time you are increasing your spending. Simple math.

      The USA under the Bush Administration cut taxes, the country’s revenue at the same time he increased this country’s spending. Those tax cuts should have been suspended as soon as we went to war. Never before in the history of the world has a country cut taxes while at war. It was insanity. What mad man would do such a thing, and at that time the GOP was in control of both the House and the Senate. They should have over ruled that decision in the best interest of the Nation. But no, they went along with this craziness, knowing full well this country would be forced into bankruptcy. Why? WHY? Pure lunacy.

      Is this the same GOP you think will do a better job? Really? REALLY??

      • Wayne

        Carole, you are at least half right on this. I believe that this country should cut back on it’s spending and give away programs to foreign countries. Over the years we have even given our enemies money to squander. Russian being one of those countries, and many others as well. Of course our Congress waste a lot of money within our own country also. Regardless of what party takes over Congress, we have got to get our National Debt in order, or we are all going to pay through the nose as well as our children will have to some time in the future. This debt has been building for the last thirty or forty years and neither party has done anything about it. I agree, both parties are responsible for this economic mess were in. Any civilized, sane, person with commom sense realizes that you just can’t keep spending. If the conservative do take over Congress this November, and I hope they do, if they do their job, we will all have to relinquish some of the benefits that comes from the Federal Government. People are not going to like that, but that is the way it is going to have to be if we want to get out of debt. We have do that within our families, and we should expect the government to do the same.

        • 45caliber

          Wayne:

          I saw a list of countries we gave money to a few years ago. Number 1 was India (we sent them tons of free food). Number 2 was Russia and Number 3 was Red China.

          In fact, of the top ten, India was the ONLY country that wasn’t Communist! Of the top 25 countries, all of Europe was listed including England, France, Germany, Spain, and Italy. Israel was down about fifty, three spots BELOW Palestine.

          There were only TWO countries in the world that we didn’t give at least $10 mil a year. Those were Monte Carlo and some 128 acre country between Spain and Portugal that has a single family that smuggles to live.

          • Wayne

            45 caliber, thank you for that very good imput. I knew there were a lot of different countries we gave money too, not loaned, billions and billions of dollars. No wonder we are in such bad shape. It is also true that most wars were started under a Democratic Leadership. Now before you liberal start running you mouth at that statement, go back in history and see for yourself. The Republicans have had some unsavory charaters in Congress, but there seems to be more Democrats than Republicans that are bad. I’ll take the Republicans any time over the Democrats. Conservative Republicans would be the best pick.

          • dan az

            45
            I found this on another site that I thought might pertain to what others owe.
            China, however, refuses to recognize the debt its current government inherited when the communists took control in 1949, the congressman wrote. That debt includes about $260 billion on bonds issued by the former Republic of China. Of that, nearly $100 billion is owed to thousands of Americans from bonds on which the People’s Republic of China has defaulted, the congressman wrote.

          • 45caliber

            dan az:

            That doesn’t surprise me. I’m seriously wondering if the US will decide to do as the USSR did; break up so it can declare all debts null and void. At least here in the SW we have a better chance than the NE will have if we do.

        • guyb

          Hey,Why don’t we let Van Jones run the country????? Until we get people to run for office who love our country more then the amount of money they can steal,we will be in the same boat no matter which party wins.We already know obama and reid and pelosi can not be trusted so Its back to the drawing board.How about that birth certificate,I know they cost 17 dollars in calif so I will pay the money if obama can not spare a few dollars….

      • Brad

        Carole Howwel,

        Did you know that the Bush tax cuts brought us out of the Clinton recession and in the long haul created 8 million new jobs, that’s until the bottom fell. With the lowered taxes job creation was ramping up, more Americans were paying taxes, states and the federal government saw huge increases in tax revenue. With the fall in employment saw a decrease in tax revenue, states and the federal; government received reduced tax receipts causing states and the federal government to run deficits. Most states are still in the red to include the federal government to the tune of 3.4 trillion just for the Obama administration in less than two years being in office. The Bush administration brought the federal budgit down every single year, fact check it at the CBO website, it wasn’t until 07 when the “rats” had control of both houses of congress that the deficit spending truely ramped way up.

        Right now we need to put common sence politicians into the congress, I’m tired of the tax and spend politicians, we need to get back to our roots, The Constitution of The United States of America.

        • dan az

          Brad
          Thanks for the facts but I dont think they care its not what they want its not out of their play book!

      • Patriot

        Please get your facts straight, the reason we have these huge deficits is because of the housing market collapse by Fannie & Freddie, at this point nobody has done anything to clean up that mess. Which was by and large ignored by the Democrat led congress in 2006 and the fact the Obama over the course of less the 2 years has run more deficits then all administrations from Washington thru Bush W combined; yes combined! Does not take a genus to figure this out, do Bush & the Republicans have some to blame for this mess; Yes! We will start to clean these people out slow but sure in November; I suggest the left leaning people start to clean up your own mess up to help save this country. We need balance in this country so until the liberals or progressives start becoming more central or moderate then I will believe there are no moderate Democrats and we will clear the swamp of these low lives ourselves!

        • http://charter howe

          Talking about getting facts straight, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were lending housing money that people could never pay back and it was a phenomena started in places like Chicage where commuunity organizers put pressure on banks to give minority people equal treatment for house loans. GEEZ community Organizers thats wher Obama served as a trainer and lawyer for years in the community organizer business, that where he got all that great experience to run the biggest industrial country in the world. The bad housing market began to accerate an already weak economy and since govt did not take action during Bushes second term and the democrats including Barney Franks who stated on national T.V. that Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae were just fine and there was no reason to regulate these people with laws in 2007. Fast forward 2010 Barney baby changed his mind and helped his bosom buddy Shumer to write financial regulations which recently passed and got lots of resistance by the GOP because Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae were not included and you say that they caused the depression to begin with, well guess what that ain’t fixed yet, but I bet the young guns will take care of that in 2011 when the smoke clears. Our zero balance money situation was caused by Fanny and Freddy and several other things all happening together like losing jobs overseas due to tax and unions, job killing OBAMACARE with yet more tax and rules that was passed by the democrats, the 787 billion failed stimulus which helped only pork spending, unions and ACORN funding and created less than 1000 jobs, the failure to secure the borders to stop illegals from adding to the massive amounts of resources these people are using which is costing taxpayers far more than what they pay in when they work and pay tax. Calif and New York are on the verge of bankruptcy due to joblessness and illegals among other lesser things. If the tax cuts are not renewed before 1 Jan 2011, the economy will lose ground fast because there will be more layoffs and more belt tightening by the public. The tax cuts for the rich is everyone making over 250,000 dollars. These people control hiring for 750,000 small business’s in the USA. They may pay the most tax but allowing the tax cuts to take place is a sure fire recipe for more job cuts and downsizing, not to mention some business people will leave the country and outsource their work, this could be trillions in annual production. The fools can’t see who the employers are that create the most jobs. Its not the 50% that do not pay tax its the 50% that does create jobs. The ideology on how to grow jobs is so foreign to democrats who have been passing laws to create an entitlement society, it has now begun to get down to the nut cutting. Business people are not going to use their capitol to pay more taxes and put up with more regulation because they have to use a balance sheet daily to show they can make a profit and they should not be penalized for being successful. Geez economics 101. A community organizer and a freak who says on national T.V. that you will have to read the bill after it is passed to see whats in it and a clown who wheels and deals behind closed doors in a fraudulent and unethical way to pass legislation guided is dooming our country to failre. Is this the America you want for your kids. I hope you are smarter than what your comments are stating. Do us all a favor and Vote these bums out in Nov 2010 and 2012. Its not a party thing anyore its what we have to do to keep our country from becoming another Cuba.

          • http://charter howe

            A correction,, by allowing the tax cuts for the rich to expire will be devastating not revenue producing. In an earlier post I said allow to take place I meant allow to expire. Thanks

          • dan az

            Howe
            That is spot on I couldnt remember where I read that because I really wanted to put that fact out there in their face so to speak.Thanks for getting it out!Now if we could only teach them how to look up the true facts we might just make them disappear!

          • HFlashman

            Otherm than being totally misguided and wrong in your facts, analysis and rantings…there’s not much truth or accuracy to your post Howe…not much at all.

            BTW…if you knew anything about the lending industry, you would know that Cook County (Chicago) is not a high lending area due to restrictive prohibitions and borrower requirements … but then…don’t let truth and fact ruin a good rant…

      • 45caliber

        Carole:

        I agree; it was wrong to cut taxes during a war. BUT … it is not the reason we are in debt today. That is primarily due to Oblama and his Dems spending more debt than all previous Presidents put together. And let’s get this straight – Congress spends the money. All the President does is request money and sign an approval when it is given him.

        • HFlashman

          Hey 45…you do realize the 2009 deficit and budget was from Bush …right?

          • dan az

            flash
            you do mean when the democraps where still in charge right?

          • 45caliber

            flash:

            Really? I seem to remember Oblama’s 800+ billion package of pork projects called a “stimulus” bill and his Oblamacare package.

            Are you trying to tell me that Bush was the one who put those in place?

          • Claire

            Billions and billions of dollars for this war—and for what? It certainly helped get America in debt.

      • slickporsche

        Yes we do really, really, and if they do not, they are also gone.

      • http://charter howe

        Dear Carole, I hate to burst your fantasy bubble, but the war and the local economy are not co-considerations unless you are planning the annual defense budget or speculating about what can be funded to win a war. The Bush tax cuts were a tool to help small business people to keep employees on the payroll and maybe even hire some new people, when this happens people pay tax, they are less of a drag on entitlements that come with unemployment and the economy picks up because these employed indiduals buy houses and cars, and other things that create a successful free market boost. The economy needed a boost in 2001 and 2003 bcause we were losing too many jobs overseas to the Chinese, the country of India, the philippines and South America. For example the computer companies as you well know let foreignors handle servicing calls and there are millions of them employed at a few dollars a day as apposed to the 15 to 20 dollars a day that U.S. companies had to pay. Ford company moved an entire plant to Brazil where the employees do not have a union and work for 25 % of what they were getting in the U.S. under the AFL-CIO and SEIU unions. The exportation of jobs continues even under Obama’s watch because he is too busy spreading the wealth instead of creating situations to encourage employment. Talk to some small business people and they will tell you the high taxes and the health care bill that kicked in is forcing them to either drop insurance coverage for employees or pay the lower cost fines when they have a choice but they will cut jobs if there isn’t an alternative. Business people have to make a profit to maintain the motivation to conduct small business operations in such a way that they may want to expand and make more money. Obama has painted business’s as greedy and wanting to make too much money and I can’t understand why a person is bad because they want to obtain wealth through hard work and sacrifice. It is not the govt’s job to impede the free market system and interfere with business operations that create jobs unless there is an emergency situation serious enough to justify short term interference. A six month moratorium on Gulf oil wells is no an emergency and will cost the United States 84,000 jobs which will go overseas or go away because there are 33 drilling rigs that are closed down in the Gulf and they cost one million dollars a day to operate with or without oil drilling activity. Some of these jobs have gone to the African coast, others to the coast of the mediterranean countries and the British Isles and off the coast of Soutth America and they most likely won’t be back because the Obama administration has shown a propensity to do many things against oil companies to harm their business not the least of which is to extort money out of them to pay off future possible claims. Anyhow people like you vote for a false idea and that is how socialism and tragedy comes about through a rear door. Please get educated its a matter of life and death this year. If you have kids its important because they will either inherit the American dream or the classless socialist society where everyone has the same thing which is nothing.

        • dan az

          howe
          Any logical person would read that and understand the truth but now lets see what her reply is.Hope for change

    • Christin

      sc,
      That about covers it.
      Enough said.

    • Whit

      If the GOP has their way we will be well on our way toward becoming Pakistan (a theocracy with crumbling infrastructure, lack of medical care and education for it’s citizens and huge disparity between an ultra-wealthy few and a poverty ridden majority).

    • Harold Olsen

      No, Kaine’s not stupid. He just thinks we are. However, the elections in November will prove one way or the other if he is right about us. If we keep the Dems in power, well, there’s your answer.

  • Anthony

    Accusing others of that which they ARE DOING… has been a standard protocol for the DEMs since I watched LBJ pretend he had nothng to do with JFK’s assassination… Seriously – it’s gotten more than old.

    AND… the cowards always just look at the bandwagon and grab on…

    The BOTTOM LINE here, SC, is that this is nothing more than Distraction Television… the FED and the CFR and the TRILATERAL COMMISSION have NO stake in the (false) Left/Right Paradigm discussion. They could care less about the whole waste of time that it is.

    ALL OF THE Politicians, cater to those who control the money – it’s THAT simple.

    And, since Congress DOES NOT control the U.S. currency – they are fectless. Nothing more than puppets and stage actors, who certainly do a better job than Tom Cruise, Harrison Ford or anyone else in Hollywood.

    ‘Course, for them, the game is rigged whereas the paparazzi will follow so-called thespians around – it’s verboten to follow politicians around like that… photopgraphers could end up dead, like all those associated with JFK were….

    IF ANYONE SERIOUSLY PAYS ANY REAL ATTENTION TO THIS NONSENSE – THEY NEED THERAPY

    • Bob

      Anthony Don’t you realize that this country is in great shape because of the ” Contract With America “? Gingrich bamboozled the sheep once so they figured it might work again. The 2 parties are controlled by the same rich elitists.

      • S.C.Murf

        Right on the nose, Thanks

        up the hill

    • slickporsche

      Your solution is to let them have their way????

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    well here it goes again the blind,deaf and dumb,educated monkeys in government pointing fingers again,well looks like dad (american voter) has come home,and is looking at all the pesky varmints in the house,and i think all their heads will roll,for noone is buying,the poor job of running this REPUBLIC for the last 25yrs that these self proclaimed,masters of universe have done,well if the nation turns into a neo-com communist police state.then the american people will turn their black rath on these people that caused this mess,tri-lateral commmission and the federal reserve,(OWNED by rothschild banking group worldwide,and their will be hell to pay and no generation will forgive this treason,rich or poor,its time to get the fences mended between every american that loves the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS,TIME FOR CHANGE ALRIGHT! time to get rid of all the self serving people running this cabal in government.vote for the best people,my self honest types that have a good plan and want to serve the whole nation,my self the tea party looks ok,but joe miller ak ,seems to have an axe to grind with seniors that are on social security,so it may cause many voters doubt,to support the efforts of the tea party.and the dumocrats are not even acceptable,so tell me,where can an anti-communist conservative senior vote,damned if i do and damned if i dont,these days i just think,how on gods earth are we all to know who are the good guys or the bad guys,when all this treason happened,under both parties watch.and now this gun grabbing agenda has been signed by the traitors in government,myself at least my family believes in GOD,and the republic.but it seems the tea party will lose the support of the baby boomers,at least 50per cent of them may vote against the tea party,because of joe millers policy outlook,time to tell it true and set the record straight,not the same mush that has been presented by the same RNC elite bunch,common guys get with the program,americans are ready,but we dont need the same old cold oatmeal.it is to outdated to eat.and the only choice left is the poisioned DUMOCRATIC kool-aid,i dont think so.

    • slickporsche

      That sir is why we have guns and ammo, and the will to use them. It will come and we will win our country and our freedom back or die trying. This whole situation is 100% unacceptable. If the American people do not unite, and take this country away from those trying to destroy it, The USA will crash and burn like the great Hindenberg.

      • HFlashman

        Good thing the vast majority don’t want ‘your’ country … where does one send the flowers?

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    P.S. heres an idea,REPEAL (NAFTA) for a start,abolish the federal reserve,set up panels to reveiw every request from lobbyist,pass a national law,making it a federal crime to buy any elected public employees vote,rebulid americas industrial base with various laws that chained american bussiness to government regulations,thousands of them,enforce the law of this republic,THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS,SEAL ALL OUR NATIONAL BORDERS,with military units,national guard units,under the control of the governors,protect the rights of all american citizens here and abroad at all cost,respect all those who you govern,and quite being so arrogant about the job the american voters has entrusted you with.if you do just these things the american voters will shower you with their support,by trying to do the right thing,they will listen and you will be the heroic elected men and women that saved this republic,the choice is yours RNC but be honerable with your choices,for the democrats are nothing but left wing bolshevics in sheeps clothing and with this UN faisco have left themselfs wide open to being defeated this year soundly,but you must not betray the american voters ever again,just some advice from one of the old guys that one day soon,will be part of history,a baby boomer.good luck this year RNC.

    • Patriot

      Amen!

    • 45caliber

      Good. Add things like no foreign aid, cut Welfare, etc. and you’d have my vote nailed.

  • THINK ABOUT

    Now repealing NAFTA is a good beginning, get the American jobs back in the USA and stop giving to the companies which have moved and are still moving jobs from our shores to other countries. Just what job market are we trying to take care of, at least make it jobs paying salaries to Americans who purchase services and products in the USA. Continuing the same failied policies or “pledge” that got us into this mess sure is not the answer. As far as those wanting to fault either the Republican or Democrat party for all the wrong doing, just where is your plan. Yelling and screaming about “they are going to take our guns away” and other positions which have entirely no truthful basis is never going to put the train back on the track in the USA. Better spend your time creating solutions and not whine about unimportant things when trying to clean up the mess the USA finds itself in. Present your plan to help, don’t whine.

    • 45caliber

      Think:

      You want to appeal NAFTA???

      That is Clinton’s pride and joy! How can you say such a thing??

      Actually, I don’t think it should ever have been passed in the first place. The only reason it did was because the heads of both parties were getting a lot of money to see it did pass.

      But we are still concerned about keeping our guns, regardless. Without them, there is nothing to prevent the two parties in power from simply merging and becoming the new communist party.

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        TO:45caliber,what “think” doesnt get is that thinking that gun rights arent important is like saying the 2nd admendment of the UNITED SATES CONSTITUTION has no importance,i far as history shows that men and women that surrender their rights to defend themselfs from those who would steal their libertys as in the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS,are nothing but disarmed slaves,to be abused by those who think they are the law,by the way without guns how can the lawless thugs,that have more rights and public defenders than the hair on top of the head of a gorilla,while we are expected to disarm,to make it so this nation can be destroyed by the lawless cabal in government,i vote to keep my right to bear arms,and say to those who dont,who will save you,when you cant save yourself,maybe your second finger,point and say bang,i am sure that the person that victimizing you will get more protection under the law then your lifeless body,i rest my case,p.s. look at conn,where a doctors family was butchered by two scumbags,45 caliber keep up the good work,a friend in liberty,vaksal.

    • alpha-lemming

      What is the incentive for moving jobs off-shore? The progressive answer is “greed”… the capitalist answer is the same but it’s called “profit margin”. The engine to stifle greed (profit)??? regulation. Do you want jobs (to justify a hire… greed dictates net must exceed expendatures) or do you want to get even (make greed illegal… all jobs should be zero/negative profit guaranteed government social justice programs)? To arrive at an answer, greed MUST figure into the calculation. You want jobs to come back to the USA??? Deregulation MUST be a major component so the check-writers can be greedy here. You want to get even??? You’ve got your wish now…. just no job… thus preventing you your Constitutional right to be greedy.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      YOU THINK about it,whineing is just like a child in the corner,waiting to be fed,since when is it whineing to state facts,besides a lot of americans are fed up with this program of turning this nation into a international whore house and by the way i am sure a lot of good people will use their power at the ballot box this year and i will be one of them,so please dont whine too much as the imposter said its time for change,but not the way the left wing global communist neo-coms want america has woken up and the heads will roll for all this failure of the masters of the universe bunch,i am an old guy,but i never voted to be shut up by a bunch of low life self serving public employees and their trolls period.think about it,and you whine.

  • David

    Special interests??!! Are you kidding me? The only reason dems passed the health care reform bill is to add another 30 million voters to their side to tip the scales in their favor forever.

    The only problem with your mentality is that we will stand here and let it happen. Your sytems will not work? Try working in the real world for a while and see for yourself.

    What the repubs have suggested is a start in the direction towards smaller gov. If they do not do what they say they will then they will be replaced with conservatives that will. This country belongs to the working folks not you elite dems.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Since when has either side (Democrats OR Republicans) actually done anything toward smaller government. The Republicans often talk about it but I can’t recall anything they have actually done toward that end.

      • 45caliber

        Sad but true. You are right.

      • JeffH

        …have to agree with ya Doc…

      • alpha-lemming

        Agreeing with Doc??!!?? Is this one of the signs of the Apocolypse??!!??

        • Doc Sarvis

          Yes, my plan has been put into motion.

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

        Then logically you should be a fan of the tea party.

    • 45caliber

      David:
      You pegged it. The Dems consider themselves elites – and the rest of us should shut up and follow what they tell us. Since they are elites, they MUST know what is better for us than us poor hicks. Particularly poor hicks in the South.

      • HFlashman

        Well…you did peg the bit about the hicks in the south correctly.

        • 45caliber

          You should get to know some of them. Most have more common sence than all of those in Washington put together. And if the sh*t hits the fan, I would MUCH prefer a red-neck at my back than a dozen libs.

  • http://ByGeorge By George

    By George
    Looking at the Pledge
    I recognize that the GOP’s “Pledge to America” is an effort to answer Democrat challenges which constantly shriek that the Republican’s have offered no ideas when, of course, quite the opposite is true. Hundreds of conservative, constitutional resolutions have been offered by Republicans only to be ignored by the Progressive leadership in the Congress. Unhappily, Republican politicians up there still haven’t realized that in dealing with Progressives (Democrats) they are dealing with a new breed of left (Commie) politicians whose skills have been cut from the same fabric from which Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Tung, were cut, i.e.: brutal, give no quarter, close combat political infighters who do not intend to lose.
    The Pledge is under extreme scrutiny by the toady leftist media as a collection of quaint and interesting homilies, a return, in fact, to the “failed policies” of the evil Bush, policies not suited to the Progressive programs that the American people, they say, really want. But, as almost no one who can read and write any longer consults the former main stream media, or can trust them as their news source, their opinion has zero relevance to our own decision making. Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday, this week did about as creditable a job as could be expected in examining what was in and what was not in the Pledge when he interviewed Republican House minority leader, John Boehner and Republican Representative Kevin McCarthy. It was made clear that the ‘Pledge” was not the Republican Party’s platform but rather a specific agenda of corrective legislation that could be taken up immediately. Some conservative pundits have taken issue with the Pledge as not being hard enough in stating the Conservative position. I think, however, that it meets it intended purpose. For Progressives to attack the contents of the pledge is to open their own failed policies to much needed debate.
    Unhappily, the Republican Party is still saddled with RINO’s. John McCain comes to mind. We tend to believe our own Senators or Representatives are doing just fine but that other guy is a bastard who is bringing the party down. Well, you can talk to your dog and pet him to death all you want to make him quit biting you, but he won’t stop; but a good thrashing will give immediate results that last. If that don’t work there are other remedial actions that will solve the problem permanently.
    The Pledge is a good start and gives us something to work with. But now, we, as conservatives, should focus on the one issue that matters most and not let it slide under the radar where it is out of site and forgotten. That primary issue is Obamacare. We can win on Obamacare. We need to hold our politicians absolutely accountable, especially those who have done and are doing nothing to undo it. They cannot be allowed to get a free pass on this issue. We must press on the new congress, hopefully Republican, to do whatever they can to defund and then totally repeal Obamacare. They must be reminded that they work for us, the People.
    The Democrat (Progressive) Party is losing any mandate they thought they once had to move America in a socialist direction. The rising fury of Americans melding into grass root groups like the TEA Party, stands as a harbinger of the massive changes to come. Conservatives, when we return to power, must pledge to America that we will follow the Constitution. Freedom is the goal and the Constitution is the path. Go get ‘em! (27 Sept 2010)

    • Bob

      George If the Republicans had done what they said they would in 1994 they would still be in power. Same crap different year. Time to vote 3rd party. We have to start somewhere.

      • Patriot

        A 3rd Party is an impossible choice; the conservative/TEA Party movement needs to take over the Republican Party. This Pledge is a start, whoever does not stand by this pledge needs to be systematically removed! I believe the establishment is very nervous, the TEA Party is not another political party it is an idea, similar to the principles that have made this country great! Stay the course this is only the beginning, this not be finished in our lifetimes, but let the work begin!

        • 45caliber

          Patriot:

          I agree with you. And BOTH parties are worried about it.

        • JoJo

          Excellant post. We are beginning to see the end of politics as usual It will take somr time to be really effective but the politicians will start to listen to the people or they will go home.

          • Bob Wire

            don’t react so quickly Jo Jo !

      • Harold Olsen

        I’m not exactly voting 3rd party in the November election but I won’t be voting for either the Democrat or Republican candidates for Senate here in Washington State. Look at the choices I have. The Democrat, Patty Murray, was rated the most stupid member of the Senate and has marched in lockstep with Obama every step of the way. Then, the Republican, Dino (I’m not a politician I’m a businessman) Rossi refuses to sign the “Sanctity of Life Pledge” though he claims to be a Catholic who opposes abortion; won’t sign the pledge not to raise taxes or the pledge to cut wasteful spending. Why? He says he will not let ANYONE tell him what to do and I interpret that as meaning US, the people whom he works for. He will be just another politician who ignores the will of the people. I think he won’t sign those pledges because he knows he won’t keep them and it will be used against him when he runs for re-election. Also, it will give him an excuse to vote with the left. I’ll be voting for Clark Didier the Republican who lost the primary election who happens to be the candidate supported by the TEA Party. He won’t win but I won’t waste my vote by voting for someone whom I do not believe in.

        • Bob Wire

          “The Democrat, Patty Murray, was rated the most stupid member of the Senate and has marched in lockstep with Obama every step of the way.”

          since I don’t know who voted her the most “stupid” and she supports rank & file ~as you offer us , she is the best choice of the three.

          Does rank & file support offend you? For if it does ~ you don’t have a candidate to consider Harold.

    • 45caliber

      To us voters, working together in Congress means that both sides should sit down and work out a bill that actually is useful to the country.

      To the politicians, working together means “you vote for my stupid bill and I’ll vote for yours.”

      Since the Dems presently have the majority in Congress, they don’t need to trade votes with the GOP. Their only comment means, “You need to vote for our stupid bill – but we don’t need to trade votes if you don’t.”

      • Harold Olsen

        You’re partly right. The Democrats always complain that the Republicans refuse to compromise. Well, their definition of compromise is either do things our way or shut the f*** up.

        • Bob Wire

          so are you attempting to tell us ~ the GOP hasn’t taken advantage of their numbers over the course of the last 30 years?

          Is that what you are telling us?

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      BY GEORGE,i totaly agree with you,direct and to the point.

      • Bob Wire

        I don’t agree ~ as many aspects of the HCR bill were originally brought forward from the GOP camp itself, willing to claim it until it went out of “Vogue”

        Just more GOP flip flopping. ~ Much like McCain’s recent statements stating he never considered himself a “Maverick” ~~ ??????? dua?

        For a party that claims to be founded in strong idealism and conviction, they seem most willing to drop them in a heart beat for political expedience, willing to abandon them for “the new flavor of the day”.

        ~ I’m certain not all GOP politicians are that way ~ but I haven’t seen or heard of one lately.

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    The pledge leaves a lot to be desired. It could have been more conservative. As far as the Dems cry that they are for ‘the working men and women’, that is crap. I grew up in a home where both parents were staunch democrats. My dad was a democrat because they were for the ‘little guy’. Not from where I see it are they ‘for the little guy’. Maybe once upon a time, but not now. Their policies and outlook is to benefit themselves and only themselves. I think if they continue to announce that they are the working man’s party, they will still be able to convince many. I am no longer a believer of their rhetoric….

    • 45caliber

      Back when I was still in high school (the early ’60s) the Democrats controlled the South be being ‘for the little guy’. But then they discovered block voting by the minorities. But to buy those block votes they needed money – which they took from the little guys. The ‘little guy’ back then was mostly conservative and so were the Dems. But buying blocks of votes depended upon changing the way the government did business – which is the mark of the liberal. Today the South is still conservative – but votes primarily GOP because the Dems party moved away from us. In the North among the unions is the ONLY place the Dems still are considered to represent the little guy – and only because the Dems still pay off to the union officials for calling in the vote.

      • slickporsche

        Yes and the unions need to go the same as the DEM if we ever want to get out of this finacial mess and have manufacturing back in the Good Ole USA. The Unions are nothing but a damn boat anchor.

        • 45caliber

          I always pictured them as a train engine trying to go the opposite direction than the train.

        • Bob Wire

          when and where has recent union activity affected national events in a negative fashion? Unless you are thinking of the 1st chair position and the general election. I personally know of none in my area, maybe it’s different where you live.

          So special interest is okay unless it’s organized labor? and then it not okay?

          I never enjoyed unions much myself ~ I couldn’t move up regardless for all the old farts standing in the way. ~ So I out produced them and screwed up both labor and management little play house. ~ They sent in people with stop watches and white lab coats to observe and I’d back off and leave they confused.

          But I was young and foolish then. Having no interest in getting along and full of myself.

          Unions have a place and a purpose and like anything else, subject to abuse and limitation.

      • Wayne

        I think you are right 45caliber. Instead of voting for the betterment of the country, they are only voting to get reelected back to their seats of doing nothing…like reading the health care bill. What a bummer. Nancy Pelosi, the wicked witch of the West says, we will find out what in the bill when it is passed. What a dumb stupid statement for the Speaker of the House to say. Voting for these idiots, Pelosi, Reid and Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, and a lot of other Democrats is being senile.

        • 45caliber

          The senile voting for the senile.

  • Tim Layman

    It amazes me that, ever since the democrats took control of congress, the republicans have been screaming that they have a better plan, and they know how to fix all of our problems. If I remember correctly, the republicans controlled both houses of congress and the white house for six long years during the Bush/Cheney regime. So, if the repubs have all of the answers, why didn’t they fix health care on their watch? Why didn’t they curb Wall Street greed before it brought the country to it’s knees? The republican “Pledge to America,” is nothing more than a rehash of the failed Gingrich “Contract on America.” The only plan the republicans have is to say NO to everything the dems propose. The republican plan is the same now as it always was: Protect the wealthy people at all cost and the poor and middle class be damned!

    • Craig

      “The only plan the republicans have is to say NO to everything the dems propose.”

      Well they say NO because everything the dims shove down our throats is bad, very bad for this country. The Pledge to America may be the same as the Gingrich Contract for America, but anything is better than more government, more taxes and more socialism. None of which has ever made a country great, let alone better.

      • HFlashman

        I dunno…seems when i go into meetings, if someone says ‘no’ … they usually have an alternative to consider. Unless they want to just be obstructionist without offering anything of value…then they’re usually gone as a waste of space.

        So…what alternative has the GOP offered up to anything they’ve opposed? Not even on the airwaves have they offered anything…except lies…

        • Harold Olsen

          I hate to agree with an idiot like Flashman but he’s right. The Republicans have been saying no to everything the Democrats do, and I’m fine with that, but, like Flashman says, they don’t come up with alternative plans. They say they have them but they don’t say what they are. If they are going to say no they should say it louder and then tell us what their alternative plans are. Not that the Democrats will listen or even care, but at least they can show they actually have a plan. It’s why I am so skeptical about any real change happening if the Republicans gain the majority. I suspect “business as usual” will continue.

          • Bob Wire

            Correct! the GOP is saying “NO!” even to their own proposals if the DNC agrees and offers to use them.

    • Anthony

      Come on, Timmy …. 6 years versus over 40 years straight , by the DEMS.. is apples and oranges. In 1.5 terms of Office (POTUS) you do not overturn what was built in 40+ years by the other Party.

      Let’s use a little spock-logic when we put a string of thoughts together.. shall we? Especially about how a Country is governed.

      This PLEDGE.. is nothing more than a re-emergence of the Newt Gingrich – Contract for America. It’s the LITE version. Mitch McConnell has no intention of doing anything other than filling his own piggy bank as a means to avoid the coming desicration of America and the burning of our Constitution. He’s one of thhe weakest Republican Leaders since before Gingrich showed up. Prior to that – you had DEMs like JIM WRIGHT – who were famnous for this sort of nonsense —>

      Scandal not ballots brought House Speaker Jim Wright to ground in 1989 after a 279-page House Ethics Committee report found that Wright had violated House rules 116 times. Most notable among the charges involved Wright’s self-published paperback Reflections of a Public Man and his flagrant use of it to circumvent rules limiting honoraria. Organizations purchasing bulk amounts of this slim volume and thus funneling money to Wright included the National Association of Realtors, Ocean Spray, the Mid-Continent Oil & Gas Association, and the Fertilizer Institute. Wright resigned as Speaker in May 1989. A month later he resigned from the House itself.

      That book deal consisted of one word type on each page, for chapter after chapter. And, the article is correct in stating UNIONS bought pallet after pallet of the books and kept them hidden in UNION Office basements where supposedly no one would find them. Gingrich lambasted WRIGHT and reminded all of America what they were being cheated out of.

      freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2578449/posts

      One can say the Repubs don’t have much room to talk, and I would agree to a certain extent.

      Yet – when you actually go investigate on your own – you find that no matter how tragic the corruption from the Republican Party… it’s 10-20 times worse in the DEM party.. and there is no excusing any Voter for supporting such crap-ola. At least a SMART voter woudl prefer the LESSER of the two evils… NOT the greater.

      • Mick

        Anthony says:
        September 28, 2010 at 10:31 am
        Come on, Timmy …. 6 years versus over 40 years straight , by the DEMS.. is apples and oranges. In 1.5 terms of Office (POTUS) you do not overturn what was built in 40+ years by the other Party.

        Yet – when you actually go investigate on your own – you find that no matter how tragic the corruption from the Republican Party… it’s 10-20 times worse in the DEM party.. and there is no excusing any Voter for supporting such crap-ola. At least a SMART voter woudl prefer the LESSER of the two evils… NOT the greater.

        **********************************
        Anthony…You’re right on all counts………
        40 years of democrat control has brought disaster to this country and the 6 years of control by the republicans didn’t do enough to reverse the pervert Democrat agenda but yet they only had 6 years to undo the damage caused by the left…
        As for voting for the lesser of two evils, you’re right we have and had corruption within our government for decades but the democrats OWN the patent on this subject.

        • 45caliber

          For many years there was a change in government every couple of elections. The FIRST thing the party in power would do would be to throw out all the bad things the other party had voted in.

          I expected the GOP to do that right after they got into power this last time. But 40 years of Dem pork against nearly zero GOP pork got to them. The GOP instead passed a huge pork bill that included all the stuff that the Dems had been shooting down to try to catch up. Then they spent the rest of the time trying to control the damage.

          What we NEED is a new majority that will get rid of all the bad stuff instead of ignoring it to vote in more bad stuff.

    • Mick

      Tim.

      The republicans have bowed to the Democrat agenda for decades that’s exactly when things went wrong, not only didn’t they say NO enough they compromised their moral values in the process..
      America need representatives that will reverse the democrat agenda that brought a total Moral decay in our country, the sense of right and wrong has been erased from the society hand book.
      We need to return to the basic values that made America so great, Americans need to realize that money doesn’t grow on trees and the democrat ideology need to be extinguished for ever, only then can America regain its status…

      • Bob

        Mick The Reps compromised their moral values. Har har hardsy har har

    • kenny

      amen tim laymen that pretty much sums it up. it took 6 yrs for the rtpulicans to cause this mess so i figure the dems. should have 6 yrs. to straighten it out. no thanks to the rep. agenda

    • slickporsche

      As I remember it there was talk about Wall Street and then the war came up and it was shelved. Actually we have one of the best health care systems world wide. What is messed up is too much government involvment and the insurance scam.

    • dan az

      Tim Layman
      The thing that you forget is that it was the bushes that promoted the final steps to NWO they are mear puppets of the elite so its not them versus us its the ones that are pulling the strings!

  • Vigilant

    Tim Layman:

    “The republican plan is the same now as it always was: Protect the wealthy people at all cost and the poor and middle class be damned!”

    You forgot to say, “workers of the world, unite!”

    • Mick

      Vigilant says:
      September 28, 2010 at 10:27 am
      Tim Layman:

      “The republican plan is the same now as it always was: Protect the wealthy people at all cost and the poor and middle class be damned!”

      You forgot to say, “workers of the world, unite!”

      ***********************************
      Vigilant,,,if the workers are going to unite, let it be for the right reasons not for what the UNIONS advocate….They’re destroying the work force…..

      • 45caliber

        Sad but true.

      • Harold Olsen

        It’s the wealthy who give people jobs. If I’m lucky, I’ll make around $25,000 this year, that’s not even middle income. But it’s a job and the company I work for is not owned by a poor person. It’s the wealthy who provide jobs. If you hate the wealthy so much, the next time you need a job ask a poor person to hire you and see how far you get.

    • http://naver samurai

      OMG! Tim are you one of those closet commies?

  • http://gmail i41

    Timmy, you are thinking aboutthe wrong party for suckingup to the rich and Wall Street. All theWall Street tax cheats Onumnutts appoints and the crooked marxist democrat Congress idoits. I see none of the tax cheats didn’t get fined just paid back fines that some had for year. A small business person or a citizen would be probably spending time at Levenworth for years as well as the government taking everything of your. Any pus brained idoit that think the marxist democrat communists protect the little working man, is one moronic f–ked idoit. When democrat idoits moan about big corporations screwing the workers, go look at what democrap smucks serve on the boards after being voted out of office or out of the administration. Wal-Mart is loaded with Clinton numskulls, even Hillary sat on the board as the down wards slide of benefits decreased. Rim quit chewing and eating the democrap puke and read the history ofthe democrat party and try and tell all of us Onumnutts is FDR on steriods to becoming a dictator with his retarded marxist party radicals.

    • dan az

      i41
      you are right but I wouldnt have been so polite!lol

  • Howard Roark

    The Dems are hell bent to place the new tax burden on only the wealthy.

    There is this fact though that is known as unintended consequences.

    For example New York State tried this very thing. the Dems touted the big money that they were going to take in with their tax on the wealthy, (those nasty people who worked harder than they did)

    The results were that the wealthy packed up and left the State and the amount of money taken was miniscule. The same thing happened in California. When the Governor of Cal. was asked where the State traditionally got their tax money, he replied that it came primarily from the wealthy. He was then asked if the wealthy ever revolt, and he replied that they often take their money and leave the State. (I would call that a revolt)

    I have heard some Dems say that if we tax the wealthy, by means of the Fed Govt, nation wide, that the wealthy could not escape the tax.

    They couldn’t be more wrong. In a recent interview with Donald Trumph he said that he knows these people (the wealthy) and whether they live here or Switzerland does not matter to them. The intreviewer than said “but you have not left” to which Mr. Trumph said “NOT YET”.

    • 45caliber

      True. In fact, I saw an economist who stated that if you took every penny that every person made over $50,000 a year (which means taking all the income from the millionares and billionares) it would run the government for 11 days. The rest of the money must come from those making less than $50,000 a year – the middle class.

      • Vigilant

        And I saw a study some years ago that said if you took ALL the $$$ in the USA and redistributed it evenly to every man, woman and child, within two years the financial distribution would be essentially the same as before the redistribution. The poor would be poor again and the rich would become rich again.

        Reason? The dumb and indolent would do as they do now: waste the $$$ on lottery tickets, scams, and bling-bling, while the entrepreneurs (people who actually work for a living) would once again clean up.

        The socialist/communist manure spread by the left fertilizes nothing but discontent, appeals to the basest in human nature (greed, avarice, sloth), and hopes that the sheep haven’t read history since it shows that forced redistribution of wealth NEVER works.

        • 45caliber

          Why do you think politicians always tell us to “look to the future”? They don’t want you to look at the fact that they have done it before and it didn’t work then either.

      • dan az

        45
        now thats food for thought

  • FlaJim

    Odd that the Dems are running from their records and leaders but have nothing to say but that they “fight for working families.” That tired rhetoric again?

    If the election goes as predicted with a GOP pick up of 51+ House seats, many of the newcomers will be solid conservatives and won’t be content to sit on the back benches. If 10 seats change hands in the Senate, most newcomers will be conservative and will look to Jim DeMint for leadership, not McConnell. And DeMint’s no patsy.

    • 45caliber

      Back in the early ’60s the Democrats were basically for the working man. But then they discovered block voting by minority groups. The working man was tossed out the nearest window as they started trying to buy votes with the working man’s money.

      I haven’t called the Dems ‘the party of the working man’ since. They are the ‘party of the minorities’. The only time they mention the working man any more is when they catch fire from sponsoring minorities. Even the unions are minorities any more although they want the Dems to make them manditory for the country.

  • Ben

    Yes, the Republican party is in fact the party of KNOW. The Demos have nothing to compaign on. Blaming Bush is not working anymore and the people are getting it now.

    • Bob Wire

      Thanks for clearing that up for us! but “Know” what!????

      small oversight I know ~ but tell us anyway!

      I want to “KNOW TOO! ~ I think

      the GOP is playing pure defense and running out the clock ~ that’s all they got, all they offer us and all they know ~

  • john

    Both sides are sweating it out that November is getting very close..don’t believe anyones hype..let’s clean house and give someone new the job.If they won’t change the term limits for Sen.s and Cong.lets do it for them every 4 yrs…let no one get comfy in those positions,let no one get to powerful for their own sake.Let them remember who they work for,,,We the people…let’s remind them all this Nov. and send notice to the up and coming.

    • Bob Wire

      i ‘d like to say ~ I’m not sweating ~ but it’d be a lie. ~ and I don’t lie without urgent need.

      Yes! I’m sweating it out. ~ money trumps ideas ~ period!

  • FreedomFighter

    Really sometimes the Demonrats suprise me with just how detached from every day American they are; 1000′s of books and articals written in revolt of what they are doing, millions protesting peacefully, and the complete failure of everything they have done.

    The only thing demonrats can blast is themselves.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • 45caliber

      I’ve known that ever since they picked the “Average” American family back in ’73. A family with an income of over $100,000 a year is NOT an average American family even today!

      • Bob Wire

        nor was it the average family back then!

    • Bob Wire

      hmm? ~ what’s to say? to that? hmm?

  • Raggs

    The Dems are only for the unions and special interest groups.
    The unions are bankrupting this country as they are doing in Greece.

    I would like to see the conservatives disembowel all of the public unions this will be the only way to get this country back on track.

    • 45caliber

      When unions first got started, they were needed. But then the Syndicate and the Mafia noticed all those union dues coming in and took over. As far as I can tell, things haven’t changed since. We need to get rid of what unions we now have, see if we can’t put the officals in jail for scams, and start over in about twenty years or so. But we certainly don’t need to keep what we now have!

      • Harold Olsen

        Unions help only themselves not their members whom they are supposed to help. I’m a union member–SEIU. Have you heard of them?? Yeah, I’ll be you have. When we first had them forced on us, we were promised our union dues would be lower and we’d get better benefits. Well, just the opposite happened. We never hear from them. We just pay our dues and get no benefits. We have no input on contract negotiations and we have no meetings. When co-workers have had job related problems, they get nowhere. SEIU’s policy seems to be “Don’t call us, we’ll call you.” Oh, I didn’t exactly tell the truth. I have heard from SEIU. I got a call from them a couple fof weeks ago wanting me to participate in a–I guess, nationwide–conference call. What was it for? Why to push for the Obama agenda, of course. It was supposed help us if we helped him get his agenda through and make us more powerful. Yeah, right!

    • Mick

      Raggs says:
      September 28, 2010 at 11:20 am
      The Dems are only for the unions and special interest groups.
      The unions are bankrupting this country as they are doing in Greece.

      I would like to see the conservatives disembowel all of the public unions this will be the only way to get this country back on track.
      ************************************************************
      **************************************************************
      Raggs ,,,if only citizens of this great nation had your insight,,,
      You obviously see what’s going on with this administration and the unions thugs..’UNIONS need to be abolished…………

      • john

        I used to be for unions..but I’ve become disheartened by them..all my union seems to do is raise our dues and does nothing in return for us.What a racket they have..they’ve become a bad joke.

        • Mick

          john says:
          September 28, 2010 at 11:47 am
          I used to be for unions..but I’ve become disheartened by them..all my union seems to do is raise our dues and does nothing in return for us.What a racket they have..they’ve become a bad joke.
          ***************************8
          ***********************************************
          john.

          I have known many swearing by what the unions were supposedly doing for the workers only to find out just what you just said,,,,,
          unfortunatly too many remain under the unions thumbs with no intent to contradict any of their unions shady practices…they don’t even realize that when unions call for a strike the bums at the bottom of the totem pole get the minimum unemployemnt checks while the leaders of the unions get full pay….How dumb can one get to accept this type of practice…….

          • Vigilant

            John:

            “I used to be for unions..but I’ve become disheartened by them..all my union seems to do is raise our dues and does nothing in return for us.What a racket they have..they’ve become a bad joke.”

            Much worse than a joke. They are dangerous entities that are undermining the basic principles of this country. Intimidation, card check, bankrupting states and municipalities, and worst of all, supporting political candidates (invariably democrats) with dues taken from conservatives and Republicans.

        • 45caliber

          john:

          At one time my mother was strongly union. When I graduated from college and was looking for work, she wanted me to get a job where she worked since it was union.

          I pointed out how much she gave the union each month and multiplied by the number of people working there. $35,000 a month to her union. Then I started asking about the union’s expenses. It finally came down to three people who went to Los Vegas each three years to “negotiate a new contract.” They then spent three months there at union expense before signing the new contract at midnight before the workers were supposed to strike.

          She thought it over – and quit the union. Luckily it was a Right-to-Work state.

          • dan az

            45
            I was in the union once for about 10yrs and was vetted when I checked on my retirement they just told me that it was lost during an investment with a casino.So I naturally ask them how long did it take to lose my money at the slots.No reply.

          • 45caliber

            dan az:

            Unions and retirement funds are just like Congress and SS. They just can’t stand to see all that money piling up and not do something they like with it.

  • 45caliber

    So keeping the tax breaks will cause more problems than all the spending the Dems are now doing, huh?

    When I try to control my own cash flow, I first cut all the expenses that I can. That means all the frivilous stuff (you might call it ‘pork’) goes. Then if I’m still in a hurt, I start cutting all the necessary stuff, the little stuff first. Sooner or later I get to a point where I can live on what income I have. At the same time I start looking for more income (a new job).

    The politicians (both parties) keep the pork and either borrow, tax, or both. They don’t want to cut any spending, regardless of the problem. And tax isn’t finding a new job; it is simply stealing more from those who have one.

    • dan az

      45
      Funny how that works!

    • Bob Wire

      Time & history seems to suggest ~ it’s not the “spending” that concern many but who spends it and what it’s spent on!

      Is this incorrect 45?

      • 45caliber

        That depends upon whose money they as spending.

        • Bob Wire

          excellent reply ~ I think we all know who’s money it is however.

  • Rip

    I have seen a lot of truth in every entry here, but I have also seen a load of crap in a lot of them. I see all kinds of ideas, and some could work to some degree, If We here at this post could keep from calling each other Names and act like real adults, We might come up with an actual workable solution…… There has been a clamor for a Constitutional Convention, at a time when there is such an imbalance of power a Con. Con. would be a big mistake,
    We the People would be the ONLY Ones getting Coned.
    A better solution might Be a Constitutional Reset, Leaving in only the parts dealing with racial and sexual Equality, discrimination from any direction and take care of our elders, end the free ride for all these foreign countries, we keep giving them money that we don’t have! Slam the Borders Shut! (at least for a couple of years until we can root out those who should Not be here) Bring our troops Home and have them protect our borders, and Stay the hell out of other countries Business, unless it threatens U.S.
    another thing needs to be an immediate cut in the size of the federal government say 20% with an additional 30% to follow within three years
    or We could all just set back pretty soon We would All work for the government doing Nothing and getting paid double what Nothing is worth

    • Mick

      Rip…you have some good points. I have been saying pretty much the same thing and more restrictions on spending for decades only to be call insensitive and crude…

    • Vigilant

      The most dangerous thing we could do would be to have a Constitutional convention OR a “reset.”

      The fault is not with the Constitution but with power-hungry pols and their indolent constituencies. Any attempt to tinker with this near-perfect document would almost certainly result in left wing provisions that would only further weaken the respect for law that made this country great.

      About the only thing most people agree upon is a repeal of the Electoral College provision. For my money, the 17th amendment and the voting age provisions should be changed back to the original methods for appointing Senators, and raising the voting age back to 21.

  • jopa

    The tax break for people making under $250,000 will remain intact, but will expire for those making more under the democrats plan.If the tax break continues for the rich we will have to borrow $700 BILLION to pay for their tax break.That will be an extra tax for the low income earners just so the rich can bank more money.We are currently under the Bush tax cut plan and the republicans want to make this doomsday scenario permanent.

    • FreedomFighter

      Your economics thought does not bear out in historical fact.

      Lowering the barriers to the producers always increases revenue, increasing business leverages increased overall tax yield even with a lower citezen theft rate.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Bob Wire

        Hmm? well I guess this might be okay ~ if these “revenues” they have made might circle back into the American economy in a meaningful manner.

        It’s appear you history leaves that part out !

    • Vigilant

      Thank you, Freedom Fighter!

      Jopa and his ilk fail to recognize that most small business falls into that “over $250K” category. They are so envious of the rich that they would indeed kill the goose that lays the golden egg, just so they could buy a few more lottery tickets.

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

        Yes, liberals love to hate the rich. But I bet none of them would turn down a nice inheritance that made them rich. Would they still bash the rich? Sure. The majority of millionaires in Congress are Dems.

        • Bob Wire

          Hate ~ is not the proper description.

          That we might voice apprehensive of intent ~ does not constitute “hate”

          Let’s face it ! The wealthy are out numbered and “must be” devious to affect they will. Is this not so?

        • Harold Olsen

          And, to protect themselves from the taxes they levy on us, they hide their money overseas.

        • Bob Wire

          I would enjoy such a problem as where to hide my money.

  • http://jimmy.joe.image@hotmail.com jimmy joe

    ,as welli’ll try to simplify things,you see by now everyone should know that progressives liberal are not economic savvy,even if they were what they do,is related to a bigger issue,the same goes with moderate republicans;i know this will be politically correct insensitive;so we’ll see if the truth,logic,and common sense rules the day,or over rules my facts;from,adam’s eve to today’s michelle obama;just look at who were our leaders most powerful influences;progressive liberal feminist;even ronald reagan had nancy”exalt my will above god humanity,and law”reagan; hillary like all hyphenated american wifes;preferred the rodham over clinton;but as much as she resented it. like all liberal women their notoriety,and successes were springboarded by,or off the coattails of their husbands,fathers,affirmative action,or other government programs;even john kerry’s wife(teresa”heinz”kerry) is the beneficiary of the brains,blood,sweat,and tears,of john heinz/republican,of the heinz ketchup,fortune.and now her gigalo husband who’s whole of accomplishments,is living off a government check,and mooching off the heinz fortune;like hillary both women prefer the names of their father’s,and ex husband,over their present husbands;women like these are the main reason the divorce rate,and adultery,have been,out of control.understand this;i’m not making excuses,for men either.you don’t become,what you dislike about others,lower your standards to theirs,or allow temptation to overwhelm,self control;that is weakness,controlled by,anger,hate,revenge,obsessions,and addictions;and it boggles my mind,how many americans anxiously vote continuously for the same people, who can’t govern their own lives,believing they can,or will help them govern their own;but liberals don’t vote for candidates,so they can have an opportunity to succeed,they vote for them so those they hate,and are jealous of can’t succeed,or have opportunities,of their own,and by their own merits;i’m just saying if you are tired of voting,and believing you get a conservative candidate,than they govern,and legislate as liberal’s;their number one advisors,of whom we didn’t vote for,is calling the shots;their spouses;learn from your mistakes or you will be condemned to repeat them;look at all of our presidents for the past 100 years;then look at their spouses influences,and it will explain why we are the mess we are in and why the political apathy;good judgement,logic common sense,and good character.has constantly been overruled by;feelings,and emotions;which is the main reason elitist intellectual rainmain type pundents,and politicians,and especially feminist groups hate,the likes of those like sarah palin;jealousy,and the fear of losing over 100 years of femnazism;”exalt my will above god,humanity,human life,and human liberty;my feelings,and emotions over,truth,facts,logic,commonsense,and the law;scripture say’s “in the last days,women will rule,and their children, will rule over them;you can’t deny that hasn’t happened;even rush limbaugh said he went to a big republican party dinner/political event;he said republican politicians told him in private that they wished he would quit promoting social issues important to true constitutionalist conservatives;that their wives are ready to divorce them,and destroy,their political careers,and will never get the touchy-feely,my way or the highway,femnazi vote;if he doesn’t change his venue politically,on his radio show;these men,aren;t men,they are cowards,who stand for nothing but their own power;to pay for the obsessions,and addictions,of their predatorial,perverse,and deadbeat,femnazi’ wives,and mistresses;they are not leaders they are pimps,prostitutes,and government subsidized slumlords;again liberal women see those like sarah palin,michelle bachman,marsha blackburn,and christine o’donnell,as the other women,that threatens their own infeority complex,self esteem,and insecurities that haunt them minute by minute,and what they think rightfully belongs to them;just as those like bill clinton,john edwards etc;obsessions,and addictions for women;liberal women have the same obsessions,and addictions;but for other peoples lives,liberties,rights,resources,property,and especially other people’s children;as an example;those like hillary”how much for your children;”rodham clinton’s,obsessions of other people’s children;in conservatives battle for parental rights;which if we weren’t living in the bizarro world,of liberalism,and political correctness;instead of constitutional rights endowed by our creator;this would not only be seen as pathetic,but those who think like hillary,and bill would be charged as sex offenders,predators,and pedophiles;then justice would be served;tip to those who are true constitutionalist,instead of selective constionalist;like those i have spoken of in this blog;any time you hear anyone say we need a bigger party,and not a purer party;thats political code spin;for my liberal wife,or my liberal special interest money will determine my vote,not my campaign promises,the constitution,truth,equality,and justice for all; these people don’t want to deal with moral,or character issues;because they have no moral values,or of good,and honorable character themselves;i know i’m so insensitive to the feelings of others no;unlike all the liars,and cowardly politicians,and pundents;i speak the truth;,and women like sarah palin,and michelle bachman,have uncovered the fraud of what is supposed to representative,of women; and shown what every honorable,trustworthy,and loyal man,who isn’t threatened by a real example for women;that doesn’t need to be propped up by their fathers,husbands,media,and government;in order to succeed,not threatened by the success,or happiness of the same,and can can actually walk,and chew gum at the same time;effectively managing their homes,their families,their children,and their careers;with spouses,who are not,threatened,jealous intimidated,by their abilities,or feel the need to prop themselves up,by way of their abilities;then claim it was their own abilities,and not their spouse,the media,or government;which is the case with liberals;rise to prominence,success,and prosperity

    • slickporsche

      whew!! What was your point???

      • Bob Wire

        his point? The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.

  • Patriot

    If you cannot run or stand by your record then you cannot stand on any principles! If you truely feel the country is heading in the right direction based on your vote over the last 2 years then you should be shouting from the highest tree and be proud of your commitment! If not; you should be thrown out for misleading and mis-representation of your position! Strange that Obama has never stood by his record, there are more questions then answers with this guy!

    • Bob Wire

      Great point ! I’m very pleased today and looking forward to even better things to come. ~

      The GOP’s record , they don’t want to talk about ~ I don’t blame them, I wouldn’t either.

  • Mick

    jopa says:
    September 28, 2010 at 11:41 am
    The tax break for people making under $250,000 will remain intact, but will expire for those making more under the democrats plan.If the tax break continues for the rich we will have to borrow $700 BILLION to pay for their tax break.
    *********************************
    *************************
    Jopa,, you don’t even see the added taxes that have been infiltrated in everything we buy,prices of goods are going thru the roof but you’re too dumb to see it,everyone pay those added taxes not just the people making over $250,000,,,And why would we have to borrow $ 700 billions for the tax break, don’t just say it, explain it………

    • 45caliber

      Mick:

      He doesn’t know. He is simply repeating what all the progressives are saying.

      • dan az

        45
        are you sure jopa is a he?

        • 45caliber

          Come to think of it, jopa did say something about being a she instead. Oh, well, assume “he” is a neutral sex.

  • Michael is confused?

    More Bullsheeet words. I wouldn’t trust my own mother walking thru the halls of congress. It’s a house/den of wolves.

    My pledge to America is to vote the Incumbent out! I don’t care if he/she is a Rep or a Dem! Our whole system is out of wack so bad, anyone that has held office and still allowing the fat and the bull to be flying around needs to be gone. I believe in the 3 strike clause, and if you want any change in Washington you need a clean sweep and start again, we failed the last 3 presidents.

    Enough is enough!
    To much politics and no just people left in our goverment. EVERYONE got an agenda and that’s mine. If every incumbent is ousted, and maybe this would take 2 or 3 times, maybe we would get some people in there that are for the PEOPLE. Im just tired of the whole process. If a sign says re-elect, I guarantee you I wont be doing it.

    • slickporsche

      That would surely be a step in the right direction, vote out all incumbents. ALL=100%

  • ONTIME

    Is it really a surprise what the Deemers have to say about anything the opposition has stated, is it worth making a comment on what a Deemer thinks about anything lately?….this is hardly worth time and print.

    • Bob Wire

      When did you ever care?

  • guyb

    Hey,why don’t we drill for our own oil and if the muslims want to fight in the middle east and kill each other then it won’t jack up the price we pay for oil… We spend 3 trillion to 7 trillion dollars every ten years depending on the price on imported oil and we have 100s of billions of barrels of oil here in America we can drill for and think of the millions of jobs that would be created…Lets just make our selves self sufficent and then we can control the prices for gas,and the cost of bringing goods to the retail markets as well.We can become the super power we already are and stay that way.WOW,Dead fish quitting to become mayor of chicago,no corruption there or in the calif city of bell… America,they do this in our face and think we can do nothing about it. Nov is coming…

    • slickporsche

      I was recently reading that they have now discovered we have more oil in the midwest and I think the lower elevation Rockies than there is in the entire middle east,and now they have discoverd so much more oil under the sea near Brazil. Tell the middleast to go to hell. IF we have that much oil in the US, imagine what that would do for our economy.

      • 45caliber

        From a report I saw a few months ago, the Mid-East is down to about 15% of what they started with. They are getting desperate when they consider what they are going to do once the oil runs out there.

      • dan az

        slick
        I was talking to a exon exec. that said the well in the gulf is the biggest vein ever produced.It stems from kentucky to venesuala under high pressure that would last life times.

        • Bob Wire

          to allow the amount of resources available and truly known would be unwise on the part of many.

          It would affect national security and world economics in diverse ways.

          I think the next 50 years is safely tucked away ~ but we need a new generation of fuels and engines for heavy lifting.

          Something that make no noise,belches flames, smoke and produces no heat. We need to get away from combustion and rubbing sticks together.

        • 45caliber

          don’t worry, dan. It will be used. China is already drilling.

    • 45caliber

      guyb:

      Two reasons we don’t. First, it would make too much sence. Second, they have already mortgaged all that oil to China to get them to loan us the money to finance all Oblama’s new stuff. If we tried to drill, they would call in their loans.

      • dan az

        45
        then it would be 200 billion lite from what they still owe us since the 40s

      • Bob Wire

        Wasn’t it 43 that stated this leveraging for favorable loans and not Obama’s administration?

        • 45caliber

          Remember Hillary’s first trip as SOS? To China.

          • Bob Wire

            No, I suppose I don’t!

  • Dennis

    Interesting that the DNC is opposed to anything the Republicans propose to do. However, none of the democrats are willing to run on their record for the last two years. This should be an Olympic year. If we could use the speed the democrats have shown running from their own programs we would be unbeatable in any race.

    • Bob Wire

      What has the GOP proposed to do of later?

      I’m hearing Dement wants to shut down government by shutting down his desk.

      I wish they might allow him to do it! ~ I’m not working today! Good! punch out ~ in fact everyone punch out! Roll up the cords! let’s go home. I’d like to see it.

      People with men and machinery in place and wait on that check to come down to proceed or the little lady that needs to buy her medication yesterday will be greatly affected by such a move. ~ The affect will be large.

      It will help people understand how dependent they are on government.

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    We have already seen the result of taxation by the Democrats and you will see why they must be voted out soon. I told everybody that would listen that Obamacare would place a tremendous burden on the young, including students going to college and the elderly. They promised there would be no increases but it would cost less and elderly care would not suffer. Wrong on both counts. The creation and ramming through this piece of garbage without reading it was done before the people realized this administration, Congress, Insurance and Pharmaceutical Industry and the American Medical Association pulled a great con on them. Remember who was on the boards for recommendations and the corporations who stood to gain from this for a piece of the pie.

    Now, you see your insurance rates going up and up and they are taxing everything in sight. Business is hurt because they can’t afford to insure their employees. The option, pay a fine which won’t stand up if it reaches the Supreme Court.

    Look at the other countries around the world who have a National Health Care Plan and you will see that the take home pay of these people in almost all cases in less than 50 per cent and the waiting times to see a doctor or specialist is very long. A Canadian friend of mine told me both his parent’s passed away from their illness before they had the opportunity to see a doctor. He, his wife and children now come to the U.S. in Chicago for treatment.

    Two big areas of concern in the reduction of medical costs were ignored intentionally. Those two were Tort Reform and Specialist fees.
    Why do you think they were ignored? In the case of Tort Reform, the lawyers in Congress didn’t want to see their money trail for re-election contributions dry up and the AMA wanted to make sure their specialists continue to make exorbitant fees for their service.
    You think this is a lie? Look at the fields medical students choose
    and you will find the overwhelming majority is specialized medicine. Forget those other doctors and pay them less is exactly what they are trying to do now. The result is doctor’s refusing patient’s on Medicaid or Medicare until this administration gets what they want; a National Health Care plan. This is why, after the elections, that Obamacare will be repealed. Count on it.

    • dan az

      Bud G
      You seem to be well informed on the health bill.Tell me in it they want the kids to be insured by the parents until they are 26yrs old.So I ask you dose this mean that while they are serving in the military do we not still pay for this insurance since obumer stated that he thought they should all pay for their own insurance because no one made them inlist?

      • Bob Wire

        It’s kinda overlapping coverage in some ways I would think Dan ~ but doesn’t private providers consider acts of war or dangerous activities in a disclaimer clause. ~ It’s in the tinnie tiny print at the bottom of most all contracts.

    • Christin

      This lame money grubbing congress doesn’t write the bills and doesn’t read the bills.
      They… congress… are irrelavant.

      BO goes around them, under them, or over them.

      BO is the unwanted dictator in chief and his Puppet Masters tell him what to do and he reads their propaganda from the tele-promters.

      The Dems cheated in 2008 (see my post above) and they will most likely do so in Nov 2010.

      They are organized and willing to break laws to win.

      • Bob Wire

        You might “wish” they are irrelevant ~ they are about irrelevant as a stone fence.

  • barbm

    you can’t point the finger at any one party, they all got us where we are – screwed. i will NOT vote for any incumbent in november or in 2012. if the new crop doesn’t do what we want and need, we can fire them too. look at 3rd party candidates. we have kathie glass, a libertarian, running for governor of texas. if you stop 100 people on the street and ask who she is, nobody would be able to tell you. the media is responsible for keeping the broken 2-party system going by only reporting on reps and dems. do your homework – check out candidates for yourself. if you say no 3rd party can win, that’s a self-fulfilling prophesy. they can’t win if you don’t vote for them.

  • Angel

    Written by lobbyists for lobbyists. What a pathetic waste.

    • 45caliber

      Darn, Karolyn, you may make a Republican since your switch of parties after all! You have the unions down pat.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    The democraps need to get real!!!! Thanks to many ignorant naïve American voters, the Democraps have had plenty of opportunities to prove they’re the better party. But IMO they’ve blown it more than once!! Look at where we are financially today, at all the national debt which future generations will be stuck with!! Look at the ill economy, with near 10% unemployment, the longest period of such high unemployment since the Great Depression!! I realize some RINOs and GOP wimps have contributed to our problems. But it’s also important to point out that this was because they wandered off the conservative field by siding with the Democraps. And quit blaming Bush!!!!! Look back 5 years ago when GW Bush was POTUS, and the GOP controlled Congress. Unemployment rate was only half of what it is today!! I vote GOP over 99% of the time, even if it’s just a vote against Democraps. If we don’t get rid of this leftwing socialist Democrap regime this year and in 2012, that’s the end of America!! FRIENDS DON’T LET FRIENDS VOTE FOR DEMOCRAPS!!!!! Enough said.

    • Bob Wire

      “Look back 5 years ago when GW Bush was POTUS, and the GOP controlled Congress. Unemployment rate was only half of what it is today!!”

      hahaha hehehe ! you silly rabbit ! ~ Yes! look back and see how we got where we are today!

      You are wanting to blame the doctor that cut the bullet out and not the man that shot you.

  • slickporsche

    -SNIP
    Study reveals huge U.S. oil-shale field
    By Jennifer Talhelm
    The Associated Press

    WASHINGTON — The United States has an oil reserve at least three times that of Saudi Arabia locked in oil-shale deposits beneath federal land in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming, according to a study released yesterday.

    But the researchers at the RAND think tank caution the federal government to go carefully, balancing the environmental and economic impacts with development pressure to prevent an oil-shale bust later.

    “We’ve got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East,” said James Bartis, RAND senior policy researcher and the report’s lead author. He added, “If we go faster, there’s a good chance we’re going to end up at a dead end.”

    For years, the industry and the government considered oil shale — a rock that produces petroleum when heated — too expensive to be a feasible source of oil.

    However, oil prices, which spiked above $70 a barrel this week, combined with advances in technology could soon make it possible to tap the estimated 500 billion to 1.1 trillion recoverable barrels, the report found.

    The study, sponsored in part by the U.S. Department of Energy, comes about a month after the president signed a new energy policy dramatically reversing the nation’s approach to oil shale and opening the door within a few years to companies that want to tap deposits on public lands.

    The report also says oil-shale mining, above-ground processing and disposing of spent shale cause significant adverse environmental impacts. Shell Oil is working on a process that would heat the oil shale in place, which could have less effect on the environment.
    -END SNIP

    : U.S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World!
    : Stansberry Report Online
    : 4/20/2006

    : Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains
    : lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world — more
    : than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush
    : mandated its extraction. Three companies have been chosen
    : to lead the way. Test drilling has already begun…

    : Five months ago, the U.S. Energy Department announced the
    : results of a land survey…

    : They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our
    : borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth.

    : Here are the official estimates: 8-times as much oil as Saudi
    : Arabia 18-times as much oil as Iraq 21-times as much oil as
    : Kuwait 22-times as much oil as Iran 500-times as much oil
    : as Yemen …And it’s all right here in the Western United
    : States.

    : James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says, “We’ve
    : got more oil in this very compact area than the entire
    : Middle East.”

    : More than 2 TRILLION barrels. Untapped.

    : “That’s more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil
    : in the world today,” reports The Denver Post.

    : When asked about America’s least-publicized oil supply, Utah
    : Senator Orrin Hatch said: “The amounts of oil are
    : staggering. Who would have guessed that in just Colorado
    : and Utah, there is more recoverable oil than in the Middle
    : East?”

    : Three million barrels of oil per day… That translates into
    : more than $20 BILLION a year.

    : These are the conservative estimates. The U.S. Energy Dept.
    : estimates an eventual output of 10 million barrels of oil
    : per day. At that rate, the money flow would be even
    : greater.

    : http://www.stansberryonline.com/OIL/

    :

    • 45caliber

      Yeah, but they have already mortgaged it to the Chinese for their loans. That was Hillary’s first job as SOS.

      • Bob Wire

        Oh! secretary of state! ~ so 43″s administration wasn’t borrowing from the Chinese ? I thought that we were!

    • Wayne

      slickporsche, what I have been hearing is that the government under this administration is buying up a lot of the land where all the energy reserves are located so there cannot be any drilling, or mining there once the government gets their hands on it. This was in a report I had heard of about two weeks ago. Obama is as bad as a dictator … In fact he thinks he is one. Look at all his Czars he has that has never been vetted by Congress. Do you think Obama could have got Communist Van Jones in as a czar if Jones had been vetted by Congress. I doubt it.

      • Bob Wire

        I think for over 78 years the term that has been accepted for Presidential appointee’s is Director. The inference of the term czar has been enjoyed in condescending for the pleasure and amusement of “baggers”

        I find it noteworthy that Huffington Post considers “Baggers” a cuss word and has blocked the usage of it.

        The best way to misdirect and get off course is start attacking common words.

        Like the term American Hostages ~ instead of American’s held hostage.

        There is a big difference.

  • airangel

    All I know is we live in the present. What happens now and into the future is what matters. The past is gone. We have learned many lessons but we need to move on and stop the blame game on either party. They both have gotten us into this mess. President’s are only one man, congress is the real teeth.

    I am not as well read as many of you but do have eyes and ears and compassion for what is happening to many hard working Americans.

    Common Sense says we need to get Americans back to work. Private Sector jobs needs to outnumber Government jobs since those employees pay and support all Government jobs like Politicians, Military, Education, Medicaid and Medicare, Social Security.

    *We need to do away with all the IRS agents and Income taxes and just charge a fair VAT tax that way, rich companies pay their share as they consume more and poor pay their share based on what they purchase. It’s the only fair system

    *Jobs need to be here. Made in USA. Not in Singapore or China or Mexico. Responsibility leads to responsible behavior. We have so many millions unemployed that you are seeing shootings, desperation, anger, stealing, etc. With 50% on welfare and food stamps, these people are idle and getting into trouble because they have no goals, no focus, no empowerment to be a better productive citizen. They are just reckless with no discipline!

    *As for Illegals, Agriculture can work out a payment plan with all the men and women’s prisons, juvenile centers, etc. Pay them to pick the fruits and veggies and work off their debt to society for the cost of their incarceration and the destruction they have caused to the victims. Ag can pay what they would pay the illegals (slave wages) and the money earned can support, maintain and improve the prisons and jails, not to mention, teaching some “qualified” inmates how to work the soil and grow things which just might give them purpose in their life and teach them something to take pride in. We want to rehabilitate them right? It could be a good program and a win/win for not using illegals. It still keeps labor cheap for Agriculture so we can keep food prices down in a horrible economy. Hey it’s not the Rock Quarry and they need to pay off their debt!

    I just would really like to see politicians STOP with the smear campaigns and really deliver some solutions for our existing problems in the HERE AND NOW! Quit blowing smoke up our A$$ and deliver sound ideas for growing the economy, reducing FAT government, creating American Jobs and gettng the 1 in 7 out of poverty. Tax what is right and fair and be fiscally responsible by balancing a budget and sticking to it. Lead by example!…DO THIS NOW, QUIT BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE…IT’S YOUR JOB AT PRESENT! YOU RAN AND SIGNED UP FOR THE TASK! Most of you in office would be fired right now in a normal job as you would not be performing up to par as dictated by the job description.

    • S.C.Murf

      Maybe if we had more Made in Mexico we would have less Illegals.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      TO:airangel,i enjoy reading your posts always,they are well written,i wish mine were half as good,so please be kinder on yourself,and keep the ideas coming,vaksal.

      • Bob Wire

        allow me to suck up too! she does have her moments !

        even a blind hog finds and acorn from time to time.

    • dan az

      airangel
      I think thats a great Idea with the prisoners I would add to that the illegals be made to build the fences at the borders.The cost is so high to house all these (for a better word) people its drained the states into insolvency and I believe we the people should make a contract with every want to be congressman and women that if they didnt follow the constitution and bill of rights to the tee they would be impeached for breach of contract. keep the faith!

      • Bob Wire

        Dan, they’ve been using Mexican Day Labor on this fence for many years now. ~ No need to house them, ~ Mexican national appear and gather in the morning and brought in by the pickup load every day by the contractors.

  • slickporsche

    Some how I feel we as citizens will get screwed on this also. This is another reason why we the citizens of this republic need to take it away from the professional looters, our government!

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    Airangel: Stop selling yourself short. You presented your case very well and I appreciate your input.

    • airangel

      Thanks Bud G. I just want real help for Americans and not this “he said, she said”…who cares….just do your job well and fight for America, your country in which you “pleged your allegiance”! The rest will right itself. When Americans can work, have self respect, feed their families…they naturally are the most charitable humanitarians of any country and spread Good Will. (not all but the majority)

      • Bob Wire

        I appreciated the conciliatory tone of your post as well angel, I’d like to heard it more often.

        We should be seeking resolve and resolution, and common ground to build a consensus. ~ but the flames of hatred are fed by so many these days and peace keepers are few.

        To be hit in the face and then asked to see things their way ~ may work in the home they came from ~ but it fails to work here.

        I think people forget what they are trying to do and decide to just “vent”, which is okay ~ but at some point cool heads are greatly needed and the only way to proceed.

  • Wayne

    I heard on television yesterday that the Obama administration now wants Congress to give them power to all your communication devices so they can snoop in you computers, Blackberries, and all other forms of communications. They want a back door to these devices to spy on the American People. I’ll bet that Hflashman and his liberal friends will be glad to hear about this since they do think like Communist, Socialist and anyother name you might want to call it. Hflashman keep your communication devices clean. Stay away from those porn sites, ya hear.

    • 45caliber

      Wayne: Sad to say, they ALREADY have access to computers, telephones, and fax machines thanks to Clinton’s “Privacy Improvement Act.” It requires that all manufacturers install a chip that records everything during the day. A Washington computer can call (now without a ring – used to be a very short ring) and copies all of it. It is then searched by the computer for certain code words such as BOMB. (The words can be changed as desired.) If a word is detected, the computer forwards the message to a human to read. The only way to get around it is to have a phone without the chip – which means a phone, etc. made before the act passed.

      What Washington wants now is a right to read or copy all your emails, etc. AS YOU SEND THEM. And they want the ability to stop emails and even the internet as desired, both as all at once or for individuals they don’t want emailing. The argument is that if there is an emergency such as 911, they can stop the internet instantly to prevent any terrorist from getting new orders, etc.

      • Wayne

        45caliber, I heard a newsman on television say that this new chip was to be put in sometime in the future, if Congress would allow it. They called it a back door to all you communications. I though it was Brit Hume that made this statement, but I am not sure if he was the one, or not. President Obama wants this for what he calls national security. You know as well as I do, he would be spying on the American People as well as the enemy. I don’t trust this administration, or his cronies. There was a lot of hell raised when Bush wanted to tap telephone lines without a warrant, but all the liberals are mum when Obama wants to do even more. This is very scary and and we should never allow Congress do this. I’ll bet that if you would ask every Congress member about this, they would deny voting for this. It is time to fire the Democrats.

        • Bob Wire

          “, I heard a newsman on television say that this new chip was to be put in sometime in the future, if Congress would allow it. ”

          Fox News no doubt ! I tell you what I’ll do ~ I’ll look into it ~ hold no for a minute ~ it’s 7:37 am ~ let’s see how much personal time it take to know the truth.

          “NYTimes Editorial

          There is apparently no limit to the Bush administration’s desire to invade Americans’ privacy in the name of national security. According to members of Congress, Attorney General Michael Mukasey is preparing to give the F.B.I. broad new authority to investigate Americans — without any clear basis for suspicion that they are committing a crime.

          Opening the door to sweeping investigations of this kind would be an invitation to the government to spy on people based on their race, religion or political activities. Before Mr. Mukasey goes any further, Congress should insist that the guidelines be fully vetted, and it should make certain that they do not pose a further threat to Americans’ civil liberties.

          Mr. Mukasey has not revealed the new guidelines. But according to senators whose staff have been given limited briefings, the rules may also authorize the F.B.I. to use an array of problematic investigative techniques. Among these are pretext interviews, in which agents do not honestly represent themselves while questioning a subject’s neighbors and work colleagues.

          Four Democratic Senators — Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, Richard Durbin of Illinois and Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts — have written to Mr. Mukasey and urged him not to sign the guidelines until they are publicly announced and national security and civil liberties experts have had a chance to analyze them.”

          “FBI drive for encryption backdoors is déjà vu for security experts
          By Ryan Singel, wired.com | Last updated about 23 hours ago

          The FBI now wants to require all encrypted communications systems to have backdoors for surveillance, according to a New York Times report, and to the nation’s top crypto experts it sounds like a battle they’ve fought before.

          Back in the 1990s, in what’s remembered as the crypto wars, the FBI and NSA argued that national security would be endangered if they did not have a way to spy on encrypted e-mails, IMs and phone calls. After a long protracted battle, the security community prevailed after mustering detailed technical studies and research that concluded that national security was actually strengthened by wide use of encryption to secure computers and sensitive business and government communications.

          Now the FBI is proposing a similar requirement that would require online service providers, perhaps even software makers, to only offer encrypted communication unless the companies have a way to unlock the communications. ”

          7:42 AM ! Ha ! took 5 minutes! seems it old news and being rehashed

          So who’s door step are we going to lay this turd at?

      • Wayne

        45 caliber, I just heard on TV again tonight that what Obama and his administration wants now is to be able to have access to the encrpted information that is sent. Apparently that is what he has not been able to do so far, but we know that this liberal Congress will give him everything he wants just as they have done. I personally don’t like the fact that big brother can shope in to my personal business. How do you liberals feel about this. I hope you feel as I do. I don’t of anyone who would want the government poking around in their personal affairs.

        • Wayne

          Please over look my typographical errors in my last post. I must be getting tired so I will retire for the night.

        • 45caliber

          I checked with our company IT group. They all say the chip went in with Clinton. In fact, the guy I talked to says that whenever they are bored, they send emails to each other titled something like: “THIS IS NOT A BOMB THREAT” just to give those people in Washington something to read.

          Also, back during Clinton’s day, someone wrote an encryption program that the government could NOT decrypt. No one could. He put it on internet for free. The government ruled it to be top secret (after the fact) and then charged the writer/owner for breaking the top secret clearance (he didn’t have one). They said that by doing what he did, it would allow foreign governments the ability to send messages that the US couldn’t decrypt and read.

          No, it doesn’t surprise me that the government wants the ability to decrypt all messages without a warrant.

    • HFlashman

      LOL…you must have heard that on FOX non News Propaganda station. Actually, it was Saudi, China and I believe Iran who wanted the codes and Blackberry and the other servers and cell companies refused. The US backed the Servers and phone manufacturers.

      Next FOX lie?

      • Wayne

        Nope! you are wrong Flash. I know for a fact that the Obama administration wants Congress to authorize this for his administration. He wants to be able to get access to the encrypted information that we send from our communication devices. I also heard about what you were referring to above, but these are two different issues. How can anyone go along with giving the government permission to enter their personal records without a search warrant. I thought we had a Constitution that prohibited that sort of thing. I don’t like this one bit. The below information is for you Conservatives and Republicans. Be careful when you are traversing the internet as the Obama administration may have it out for you and give your computer a virus. I have an up to date virus software on my computer. Last week I received two nasty virus called (antivirus 2010) on my computer from two different website at two different times. The website I was on were legitimite websites. I got one of the viruses while I was reading an article sent to me by the Toronto Sun which is a large newspaper company in Toronto, Canada. In fact I was reading about oil that we were purchasing from our enemies instead of from Canada. I got the same virus three or four days later while I was on a Math website. The first time I received it, I, along with the help of my virus team, I was able to clean it from the computer. The second time I receied it, I had to do a complete recovery of my hard drive which I was able to do on my own. Maybe I am paranoid, but I don’t trust the Obama administration. We all know that he may have his cronies reading these this type of website. I wanted to let you know this so you can be on the safe side.

    • JeffH

      Flash, this is specifically for you.

      Wayne, you’re absolutely correct in what you’ve just stated.

      US Government Wants Backdoors In All Communications Devices United States law enforcement and security officials are planning to ask Congress to mandate that all devices that use the Internet to provide two-way communication – whether they be phones, websites or applications – have backdoors allowing for wiretap access if so requested.

      According to the New York Times, the Obama administration will submit a bill to congress next year asking for this requirement. This will mean that all your Internet-enabled devices – your iMacs, MacBook Pros, your iPhones, your iPads, and even your iPod touches – and the software they use to communicate will be liable to be sniffed by the US government.
      http://blog.intego.com/2010/09/28/us-government-wants-backdoors-in-all-communications-devices/

      • Wayne

        Thanks for backing me up on this JeffH. I knew I had heard this, but you remembered it, and explained it much better that I could have.

        • 45caliber

          I had heard of this too. And remembered all the problems Clinton put in. Oblama just wants more of it.

          • Bob Wire

            refer; Bob Wire says:
            September 29, 2010 at 9:42 am

  • Wayne

    Did you folks hear about some of the union employees for Chrysler got caught drinking and smoking that wacko weed last week while on the job? Come on Flash, let’s give them some support also.

    • JeffH

      Chrysler Group LLC has dismissed 13 employees from the Jefferson North Assembly caught by Fox2 television cameras drinking on their lunch hour.

      http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2010/09/27/news/doc4ca0f52de1f42586953832.txt

      • Bob Wire

        good! if people want jobs ~ they should be of the caliber and mindset of being willing to protect them with prudence and mindful behavior.

        Sounds like a handful of roadies for a rock & roll band material trying to make automobiles.

  • W. Hulse

    Can you not see what these morons in CONgress, and the White House, are doing? They are trying, pretty successfully, to divide this country by their subversive bickering. They have everyone arguing with everyone else just to cover their subversion and keep us occupied with triviality. Take a look at Sal Alinsky’s methods of community organizing and you will see what is happening, Marxism at its finest.

    A great time to remedy some of this “dereliction or duty” will be November 2, 2010. The next time will be in 2012. These “Washington Elites” have “PARTIED” more than long enough! The working taxpayers are paying through the nose for these “parties,” and receiving very little, if any, benefit from these micro-cephalic mental misfits! There is really not more than two cents worth of difference between the Democrat party and the Republican Party, as both are like a normal Kansas day, all wind and very little rain! Have you ever heard one of them give a straight answer to even a simple question? Most of them take off like some hillbilly auctioneer rattling on about everything but an answer to the stated question! They have no answers! Think about it!

    Keep in mind that the candidates with the BIGGEST moneybag are those who are supported by the BIGGEST money interests who really don’t have your interests, nor our country’s interests, at heart! Why would a career politician spend millions of dollars to get elected to a 50 to 100 thousand dollar a year job? Either he/she can’t get a good job elsewhere or he/she has no marketable skills! But they sure talk pretty, don’t they? And salary is not really an issue anyway, power and under-the-table money is. We have the best CONgresspeople and Judges that money can buy! They really believe that we are so stupid that we can’t see through their smoke and mirrors politics. Is that what you think of us?

    One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting the outcome to be different. Many of us vote in just that manner! Don’t be fooled again by these smoke and mirror socialists! Take responsibility for your own actions and your own life, get your posterior in gear, study these people and their qualifications, listen carefully to their campaign rhetoric and noise, separate their wheat from their chaff, and then get out and vote your conscience in an educated manner! Just because someone is cute, pretty, or a smooth talker, doesn’t qualify them for an elected office! We need a qualified manager in the White House as well as State and Local positions!

    A good manager is one who realizes he/she doesn’t know everything, but does know how to hire people who do know how to do the jobs he/she does not know how to do, not just hire his/her buddies and henchmen like we have in office now! Who but an unqualified oaf of a lawyer would send a lawyer to the Gulf Coast to ‘find someones ass to kick,’ and/or sue, instead of sending a qualified engineer to analyze the situation and plug up a hole in the ground? That speaks volumes of those in our top office at this time. Wake Up, America!

    Like Willie Sutton once said when asked why he robbed banks; “Because that’s where the money is!” Well, BIG government is where the EASY money is, and the EASY money comes from YOUR wallet, not theirs! Government can’t give anyone anything that they haven’t first taken from someone else; the working taxpayers come to mind! Beware of Lawyers, College Professors, Career Politicians, and Preachers, as most have little practical experience in running even a small business, let alone a country, and they try to buy you by GIVING YOU THINGS THEY DON’T EVEN OWN, and they want to feather their own nest at our expense. They’ll tell you whatever they think you want to hear, whether true or false! Forget the bloody party politics and VOTE FOR THE PERSON who clearly states his/her goals FOR THIS COUNTRY, preferably a Constitution following conservative, but at very least someone with some COMMON SENSE, if you want to see a real change for the better! Do it for our country. Don’t just think about it, DO IT!

    • Wayne

      Good Lord, W. Hulse, I would vote for you in a heart beat if you would run for a political office. You did a terrific job in explaining this. I will have to say this is one of the better post I have seen here. Thank you for a great post.

    • Bob Wire

      “Can you not see what these morons in CONgress, and the White House, are doing? They are trying, pretty successfully, to divide this country by their subversive bickering.”

      No! Russ & Glenn and Rupert has been doing that for some time.

      The Administration is simple responding to it.

      You don’t mind , do you? I believe it appropriate and timely.

      I know the possibility of any victory more pronounced with your opponent hog-tied and bound. But where is you sense of sport, valor and fairness?

    • 45caliber

      Several years ago, somewhere, I saw a report that stated that a Representative job was worth about $1.5 million a year – legally – in speaker fees, etc. A Senate position was worth about $10 mil. And the President’s job was worth about four or five times that. I can’t remember where I heard it though.

  • http://gmail i41

    slickpourche, the one feild they didn’t mention, is the Bakken Williston Basin which is eastern Montana, western North Dakota and Western South Dakota. It has been known it was there since 1952. Each year the amount of oil keeps growing, last 2 years it is now over 500 billion barrels, not counting natural gas. With the daily use, for the USA at 11.2 million barrels a day, if this was increased to 15.5 million barrels a day, that would give USA enough oil for 2000 years. And that is just one small feild in the center of this country, there is a proposed oil pipeline going from the Canadian border to the gulf, it will pass by a refinery and proceed to load oil on ships. The hang up the permitting, studies, and just plain jackasses not wanting USA to be self suffiencent with cheap energy. The enterance for the Bakken- Williston Basin enterance point is Baker Mt. if approved. But I notice every once awhile idoit smucks like flushman and karowhine think green weiny crap will lower costs and create jobs, and save the planet. When people beleive that Onumnutts and dembocraps swim in b–l s–t theories it is true. There is enough equipment and people out of work, that this coiuld be done in a year if The National Marxist Democrat Communist Party would dispose of their evior smuck leechs wing nuts, that keep making regs and killing jobs. Operators and oil feild workers make high wages because it is a mans jobs, not some faggot, airy fairy, whimp a–ed work project. So that keeps most democrats on the sidelines using their make up bags like most elitist book trained idoits.!

    • 45caliber

      The reason they don’t want to talk about us being self-sufficient on oil is that they have mortgaged it to China to get their big loans for all the things Oblama wants.

      And the reason they want to ship it is because the price of oil from the ground in the US was frozen at $6.25 back in the late ’20s. (so they wouldn’t have the pay the land/mineral owners much) The problem now is that they are only allowed a 10% profit on oil at each stage of processing. Which gives them the most profit? 10% of $6.35 or 10% of $62.50? So they will want to ship it overseas to process (as they do all that comes from Alaska) and then BACK to the US. Since they sell the oil to a ‘holding company’ (no one knows who owns it) on the high seas, they can charge what they want for it.

    • dan az

      i41
      Come on say what you really mean!your killing me!

  • giley1

    The liberal cancer that has taken hold here in America needs to be cured. We need some serious surgery to remove the tumor, Obama, then we can work on the lympnodes, such as Pelosi, Reid, Franks, and others. Sadly, uless we do the surgery soon, our freedoms will die.

  • Raggs

    I’m glad to see obama backing the unions as they drink and smoke crack as he does on the taxpayers dime.

    I hope he will get so *ucked up he forgets how to put his shoes on… Oh but wait… thats why we have a whore to his call.

  • JeffH

    I would like to think that the affects of the Tea Party on the Republican Party played a huge role in the Republicans even creating any kind of pledge. This certainly doesn’t mean that the Repubs are instantly trustworthy but at least they realize they’re jobs are also at stake as well, something the Dems just refuse to openly acknowledge.

    The socialist Dems are all of a sudden distancing themselves from the O’Man but they certainly can’t distance themselves from their voting records.

    Everyone, do your homework because America’s future depends on you.

    • JeffH

      Forgot to mention that the imcumbent Republicans have voting records too, so do your homework before you vote and whatever you do…VOTE AMERICAN!

      • Claire

        Jeffh–Good statement, but it sure is hard weeding out the ones that have debatable character.

        • Claire

          Whoops- hit submit too quickly. I meant to add there are many that do have a debatable character. The loonies are the ones to watch out for. Research, research, research.

          • JeffH

            The latest looney to insert his foot in his mouth, again, is the loud mouthed Dem bully Alan Grayson in Florida. This guy is as dispicable as they come. He’s stooped to new lows with his latest add.

          • Claire

            JeffH– He certainly says what he thinks, that’s for sure.

          • JeffH

            Claire, this guy has been stepping across the line for quite some time. He’s a complete idiot and shouldn’t be allowed to represent a toilet bowl.

            Critics say that Grayson’s latest ad labeling his opponent “Taliban Dan Webster” not only goes too far, but is misleading.
            http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100928/el_yblog_upshot/grayson-receives-pushback-for-taliban-dan-attack

          • Claire

            JeffH– Ihave seen a lot of ads that have gone too far-Democrat and Republican alike.
            BTW–my son got a GSP puppy this past Sunday- the little guy is adorable.

  • THINK ABOUT

    At least the Republicians are sticking to their failed policy of the past, you can’t change what you don’t acknowledge. Just what we need, more years of failed policy. Now for the others who claim they want to vote out all the incumbents, just what plan does the ones you are voting for have. If they continue and become elected without a plan then we will be just spinning our wheels, the old ones are out and the new ones has not decided what plan they want to start up with. If they claim they have a plan, then produce the plan so voters will have opportunity to make selections on their plan of action. If they don’t have a plan and refuse to reveal any plan of action, then just why have they even entered into a race. Don’t sign into “no plan of action”, vote intelligent.

    • JeffH

      The intelligence starts with never voting for a Democrat!

      • Bob Wire

        intelligence starts in never saying “never” and not allow yourself to be boxed in a corner with few options.

    • Bob Wire

      Yea ~ the only change I see is a old tiger trying to change it’s strips. ~ change is not what today’s conservatives are about anymore the yesterday. But quite the opposite. The only change of any real interest is regaining control of the white house and congress and only then will they be happy again and the sky cease to fall.

      The GOP has always offered up some noble ideas, I’ve been sucker in a few times by such lofty words. The devil seems to lie in the implementation of these ideas and it is only then I discover I’m not included! When Reagan spoke of ” We, The American People” seems I was left out. That hurt me deeply, for I know in my heart, I am an American. Born here, educated here, served for my country abroad, rewarding with combat pay, decorated and awarded many times, returning with the belief I truly deserved to be counted and considered as “all American” to my fellow countrymen.

      But it is not seen that way to this present party of Lincoln as my social economic status and notion of “fairness” seems to differ. As my government wishes to hobble me and then demand that I compete on un-level playing fields of both matter of civil law and commerce.

      This party of exclusion annoys me greatly at times with their sanctimonious banter and bait and switch tactics.

  • jopa

    If General Motors is owned by the gonvernment,and we are the government and now some of you want us to botcott GM.What is the logic to boycott yourself.In your spare time could you send me what you have in your savings account??

    • Claire

      Boycott GM? I won’t. I will support them. If my tax dollars went towards their bailout, why would I do otherwise? I don’t want failure for any American company. I buy American, I always have and always will. Regardless. I am still getting my Chevy Impala.

      • Bob Wire

        Thanks Claire ! my thoughts exactly ~ and the same with BP ~ I support BP and don’t want to see BP fail. They’ve far to much to pay for and do. We are jointed at the hip to these companies like it or not.

        Spiteful anger is pure nonsense.

        Nor should we subject them to a Treaty of Versailles and force their hand.

        We want and expect mindful and willful compliance to make “things right”

        and for that to happen, it must be seen as a “win” by both parties.

  • Harold Olsen

    I, for one, am not surprised that the Democrats would criticize the Republicans’ “Pledge to America.” They are incapable of keeping promises and consider keeping a campaign promise to be dirty politics. That is what they accused the Republicans of doing when they came out with their “Contract With America.” One Democrat said this, “It’s one thing to make promises during an election, but it is something totally different to actually keep those promises. It smacks of dirty politics.” But, I have to admit that I am a bit skeptical about their pledge. Politicians of both parties have shown that none of them can be trusted. If the Republicans gain the majority, which will probably happen, will things change? I’m not very optimistic. But we’ll see.

  • Bob Wire

    let’s face it ! Today the GOP has circled their wagons and praying for the Calvary to show up ! They’ve thrown out every “time stalling” trick in the play book and have little left to throw. “Bring in the Clowns”

    They are not going anywhere and not seriously threatening anything.

    This disconnection from the American People they seem to enjoy has created their position. Government from top to bottom sucks for lack of a better word. From the Outhouse to the White House ~ government has became a predator and teamed up with special interest to sheer sheep.

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