DHS Suggests Christians, Constitutionalists Should Get Extra Surveillance From LEOs

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Big government progressives and collectivists love labels. They seem to come up with a new one almost daily, as they seek to isolate and demonize one small segment of the population at a time that they can identify as “extremist” and then dismiss from any discussion about the country’s direction.

The Department of Homeland Security and the military have, in reports published over the past several years, equated a large segment of the U.S. population with terrorists for simply expressing displeasure of the nation’s course, preparing for disaster or even paying in cash. DHS and the Barack Obama regime are aided in this endeavor by government propaganda arm mainstream media and organizations like the Southern Preposterous Lie Center (aka Southern Poverty Law Center), see here, here and here.

Now, true to its communistic-sounding roots, DHS is becoming exceedingly fearful of Christians who believe the Bible is God’s word, Christian “fundamentalists” (whatever those are), Americans who believe the country was founded on Godly principles and those who believe the Constitution stands as the law of the land. In training materials, DHS has lumped Christians and Constitutionalists in with a group it calls the sovereign citizen movement and identified them as requiring special surveillance by law enforcement.

In a letter to a conservative blogger, Prowers County (Colo.) Undersheriff Ron Trowbridge revealed what he learned during a recent training course conducted by Colorado State Patrol (CSP) Trooper Joe Kluczynski, a CSP analyst for the Colorado Information Analysis Center, (CIAC). CIAC is funded by DHS and run by the CSP, and the training materials Kluczynski used came from DHS.

Here is the letter, unedited and in its entirety:

On April 1, 2013 I attended training in La Junta, Colorado hosted by the Colorado State Patrol (CSP).  The training was from 12:00 pm to 4:00 pm and covered two topics, Sovereign Citizens, and Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs.  I was pretty familiar with motorcycle gangs but since we often deal with the so-called sovereign citizen groups I was interested to see what they had to say.  The group consisted of police officers, deputies, and CSP troopers.  There were about 20 people in attendance.

Trooper Joe Kluczynski taught a 2-hour section on sovereign citizens.  Kluczynski spent most of his two hours focusing on how, in his view and apparently the view of Homeland Security, people turn to the sovereign citizen movement.  Kluczynski started off by saying there are probably some sovereign citizens in this room and gave a generalized list of those groups that have sovereign citizen views.  Among those groups, Kluczynski had listed, were those who believe America was founded on godly principles, Christians who take the Bible literally, and “fundamentalists”.  Kluczynski did not explain what he meant by “fundamentalists” but from the context it was clear he was referring again to those who took the Bible literally or “too seriously.”

While Kluczynski emphasized that sovereign citizens have a right to their beliefs, he was clearly teaching that the groups he had listed should be watched by law enforcement and should be treated with caution because of their potential to assault law enforcement.  Kluczynski explained why he believed these groups were dangerous saying they were angry over the election of a black president.  When someone in the group suggested the failing economy was probably much more to blame, Kluczynski intimated that those who are not going along with the changes in America will need to be controlled by law enforcement.  Kluczynski even later questioned some of the troopers present if they were willing and prepared to confiscate “illegal” weapons if ordered to.

Kluczynski’s assignment with the CSP was an Analyst for the Colorado Information Analysis Center, (CIAC).  CIAC is funded by Homeland Security funds and run by the CSP.  Kluczynski said he gets his information from the Department of Homeland Security.  Kluczynski said he was leaving the CSP at the end of that week (March 29, 2013) to begin his new career with Homeland Security.  I thought he was perfect for the job.

Ron Trowbridge
Undersheriff
Prowers County Sheriff’s Office
April 5, 2013

Trowbridge’s boss, Sheriff Jim Faull, issued a news release Monday suggesting CSP suspend and re-evaluate the training program, because: “When an instructor with a state law enforcement agency is teaching their (sic) own employees and other law enforcement agencies that bible (sic) believing citizens and those that do not agree with current political trends are dangerous and should be under the scrutiny of law enforcement, then that agency needs to make some fundamental changes with that particular course.”

Trowbridge said he was surprised and frightened by the amount of attention his letter received, but he stood by it. He issued another letter on Monday responding to those seeking to verify his initial claims.

Understand what is at work here is a concerted effort by the regime to marginalize and demonize Americans, “those who are not going along with the changes” the Marxist Obama regime is making to the country. Demonizing and ultimately dehumanizing the “enemy” is a tried and true propaganda tactic. You will also see this tactic demonstrated in the comments posted to Personal Liberty articles by the regime’s messengers, who have taken to equating the Tea Party with the Taliban and calling them extremists and terrorists. It is a designed strategy based on the Saul Alinsky model.

Bob Livingston

founder of Personal Liberty Digest™, is an ultra-conservative American author and editor of The Bob Livingston Letter™, in circulation since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Harold Olsen

    What’s next? Will DHS decide that it wasn’t Muslim terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 but Christians? The Obama regime goes out of its way to vilify Christians and show Muslims in a sympathetic light. It would be profiling to keep and eye on Muslims but not Christians?

    It’s time for another American Revolution!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/whisper.atnight.5 Whisper Atnight

      THOSE BUILDING WERE DOWNED BY OUR OWN GOVERNMENT. JUST LIKE TIMOTHY MCVAY NEVER BELONGED TO THE MILITIA. THEY EXECUTED HIM IN WEEKS WHERE IT USUALLY TAKES 13 TO 15 YEARS TO EXECUTE SOMEONE.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        More disinformation from an ignorant wing nut If Whisper bothered to look anything up, he would find the following about McVeigh’s execution..
        4/19/95—-date of bombing
        6/2/97——date found guilty
        6/11/01—–date of execution
        That looks like FOUR YEARS to me, Whisper, not “weeks”, and it likely would have dragged on for several more years if McVeigh hadn’t decided to drop his appeals.

        • monizame

          He wasn’t executed,simply put to sleep and given a new identity…Wake up fools…this was a government plot to destroy the militas…Do you think a decorated veteran Army special forces hero would speed 90 miles an hour down the freeway with all the evidence in his car to get caught??? think again…Sandy Hook?? there was no AR15 used but they keep saying there was…Same as colorado… Most of the parents you witnessed on TV were actors..WAKE THE HELL UP!

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Okaaaaay, Bob. Stay calm. Breathe deeply and try to get the wing nuttiness out of your system before you hurt yourself..

            McVeigh was NOT a “special forces hero”. He was a plain old grunt—-a “top gunner” on a Bradley in a regular outfit. I think he did get a minor decoration for being a good top gunner, but you are WAY over the top there. If I recall, he was NOT “going 90 miles an hour on the freeway” when he was stopped, but driving normally on a regular road. He was stopped for expired plates or a busted taillight or something like that, so we can infer that YES, he was not a mental giant at planning excapes.

            And “same as Colorado” what? What kind of loony “didn’t happen” stuff do you want to lay on us there?

          • JasonL77

            What about the other person that witnesses reported him with? Why is the government not releasing the videos that were confiscated that would prove this? Why is the government withholding videos of the Pentagon attack? Okaaaay, Mr. Feelings…our government would never do anything evil.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Okaaaaay, Jason. Stay calm. Breathe deeply and try to get the wing nuttiness out of your system before you hurt yourself.

            Maybe the “videos” didn’t get released because there are none? Except in the paranoid minds of the circular firing squad? And the “Pentagon attack” videos? I assume you mean on 9/11?—that’s 11-1/2 years ago and I’ve seen lots of videos of what happened at the Pentagon that day—eyewitness accounts and videos of the site. A hijacked plane hit the building, and there is NO credible evidence of anything else happening.

            And what is meant by “Mr. Feelings”? Are you even talking to me or are you confused? You are certainly suffering from wing nuttiness.

          • JasonL77

            Talk about nuttiness….you have seen lots of videos of the Pentagon attack? Really? How many have you seen? There have only been two released. Even the New York Times reported that the FBI went to every business surrounding the Pentagon and confiscated any security videos that might have filmed the attack. The same was done at the Murrah Federal Building. The real nuttiness is believing the official stories but then again our government never lies to us and never would. You are Mr. Feelings because like most people on the left you do not think about anything, you just feel. You are the ultimate wing nut!

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Stay calm, Jason. Try reading comments a bit more closely before you let your FEELINGS overwhelm your intellect as you have done here. I live within 30 miles of the Pentagon and the attack was BIG news here—-24/7 for a while. I have spent hours viewing lots of interviews with people who saw the plane come over the hill and down the slope into the building, videos of people picking up pieces of the plane that had “American Airlines” painted on them, the bent over light pole, the people in cars on the highway that had the plane fly over them, as well as the “flashby” ones of the actual plane. I’ve seen the wing nut “explanations” of what REALLY happened too, and they’re not convincing except to people like you who WANT SO BADLY to BELIEVE rather than examine truth. Do you really believe that the “government” that you say can’t do ANYTHING right could have faked it all?

            [comment has been edited] who wants to spout nonsense about the “people on the left” (which I am not). The truth is that the folks on the right are the ones who are ruled by their feelings and emotions and are therefore easily “conned”—-the center and left tend to rely on rational analysis when looking for answers.

            Read The Republican Brain for some clues—-right now you are the ultimate clueless moron. (or “moran”, as the famous Tea Party sign spelled it)

          • FLORIDA LADY

            right brain thinker………….YOU ARE A LEFTIST MORON!!!

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Well thank you, Mary, for proving to all that YOU are a just plain moron (although your use of ‘leftist” would make one believe you are a “rightist moron”—–that’s where 90% of the political morons in this country reside—-so you have company)

          • bill

            right brain deadhead YOU NEeD to calm down and open you eyes , and grip reality ……

          • Seanoamericano

            Where was all the wreckage and why were there no fires like in the towers or damage from the wings?

        • http://www.facebook.com/whisper.atnight.5 Whisper Atnight

          OH WHAT EVER!! A MERE 4 YEARS!!

      • Capt. Hook

        Cool aid drinkers , Obama loves you just like Jim Jones loved his followers and had them drink the real poison after poisoning their minds for years with lies. Good luck

        • Chief Boring

          Whisper, why are you attacking Capt. Hook? It sounds like he is agreeing with you. And your language won’t win you many friends. There is certainly enough looniness on either end of the spectrum; it’s not all right or left. Corect me if i’m wrong, but wasn’t Gordon Kahl a racist white supremist?

          • Chief Boring

            Sorry about the spelling of “correct”. It’s late and I’m tired.

          • http://www.facebook.com/whisper.atnight.5 Whisper Atnight

            I thought he was calling me a cool aid drinker. I have been following this NWO marching into our country since Bush Sr. And, maybe I don’t keep figures and dates in my head all the time, but I do know what I am talking about. McVay was a plant and a terrorist plot by this government just as was the 9/11. The militias at that time were manning up because of the Waco incident. Having this McVay attack the OK city Federal Building was used to demonize the citizen militias.

          • http://www.facebook.com/whisper.atnight.5 Whisper Atnight

            I don’t see where supporting the Posse Comitatus, or resisting the IRS, or trying to form a movement which sought to form parallel courts and governments purportedly based on English Common Law, and to withdraw recognition of the U.S. federal government has to do with white supremacist. Der!!! You are listening to too much secular Media.

          • http://www.facebook.com/whisper.atnight.5 Whisper Atnight

            These are listed as Kahl’s interest and involvements. Now, many folks have feelings about this are that persons. I for one do not like certain people of character, but that does not make me want to hurt them or anyone. I only see as my enemies, those who wish to take away my freedoms and rights. If you are anti-christ, that is your business, but don’t push your beliefs on me and my family. Don’t tell me that I do not have a right to be who I am because they don’t agree with your beliefs.

    • Roy Clingenpeel

      This verifies Obama’s religious beliefs. Similar statements ledding to that by DHS has already been uttered, DHS only reacts to his authority.

    • Charlie

      Olsen ,,,

      DHS,,,is afraid of “””True Christians”””,,,BUT,,, how many on this site are PER The Book “Christian”???… A Revolution has been going on now for at least 20+ years… A few of the “Point Men” were Gordon Kahl and Randy Weaver…

      Both had their family members “Murdered” by The “CEG”, corrupt evil government … Both of these “Battles” are far from finished,,, when a “Point Man” gets “Hit” ,,,that when “The Battle” gets hot,,,so,,, DHS is in a very wet sweat ,,,We have talked to at least four of them,,,they are just working for $$$ and know very little about The Bible , American History and most have NO Military experience,,, so ,,,have mercy on them and ask them IF,,,they Know The “Owner” of Planet Earth? that way you can see on their face where they are regarding “The Bible”… Meanwhile………………………

      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

    • Michael

      Just like “work place violence”, a.k.a., the Ft Hood massacre, this may well be coming down the road.

    • csaaphill

      right on!!!!!

    • FLORIDA LADY

      You are correct Harold Olsen. OBAMA IS MUSLIM, an arrogant narcissistic Muslim who has given billions to Muslim Countries by EXECUTIVE ORDER. HE SHOULD BE TRIED FOR TREASON AND EXECUTED.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Rightist Moron speaking?

        • bill

          you are a fool mr.s man

  • Vigilant

    “The latest scandal to hit the Obama administration and its handling of the military surrounds a so-called “Equal Opportunity” training course presented to U.S. Army Reserve forces in Pennsylvania. During the presentation, troops were subjected to a slideshow that included a segment on what was dubbed “religious extremism.” At the top of the list — the very first item — was “evangelical Christianity” in the United States. Also included were “ultra-Orthodox” Jews, Catholicism, fundamentalist Mormons, and “Islamophobia.” (http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/15028-christians-are-extremists-like-al-qaeda-u-s-army-taught-troops)

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Another citation from a wing nut web site that is, as usual, maybe 10% truth and 90% horsepucky. That’s what propagandists do—-pile the lies high and deep and keep repeating them until the ignorant accept them as truth.

      And I do love the way everything is now a “scandal” and the smallest misstep anywhere by the most obscure minion of the “government” automatically becomes “O’Bama’s Fault” to the mindless. The members of the Con(ned) Club are trying to imitate the “Bush’s Fault” club—-only one small problem—-it really WAS mostly Bush’s fault and everyone knows that trying to blame things on O’Bama is just the whining of a bunch of sore losers who have no positive plans or programs beyond demonizing O’Bama.

      PS If you want to look at what appears to be a REAL “scandal”, check out what’s going on with VA’s Repug Governor McDonnell (affectionately known as “Suit and a Haircut Bob” for his two most memorable attributes—good tailor and good barber). Suit and a Haircut Nob”forgot” to include on his “gifts I have taken to influence me” list some $15,000 worth of food for his daughter’s wedding. Unlike O’Bama, who is MANY degrees of separation removed from the Army Reserve SCANDAL (LOL), Suit and a Haircut Bob put things about the food deal in writing, and the WashPost found them. You might also want to watch what happens with the controversial stock deal that VA Attorney General Cuccinelli (KookyNelly), our VA Tea Party Repugnant candidate for governor, “forgot” to deal with properly. Very “forgetful”, our VA Repugs.

      • S.C.Murf

        right brain fart you are one of them (govt. takers) and a fool to boot.

        up the hill
        airborne

        • Ted Crawford

          The simple fact that he would equate something that, even if true, would only impact perhaps 8 Million people, to something that impacts over 315 Million people directly and Billions around the world, indirectly, points out that his reasoning abilities are overwhelmed by his partisanship!

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Very interesting. Do you realize what you have just said, Ted? The stuff about our VA governor is not “IF TRUE”, it is for real and he will we squirming over it. The Washington Post does NOT print above-the-fold articles on the front page with a 1/3 page followup inside for “IF TRUE” things. We in VA DO care about our politicians playing games on us.

            On the other hand, this PLD article is based on ONE person’s letter to a blogger, and it falsely implies right in the headline that DHS is behind it, when the only connection appears to be that the (alleged) perpetrator is (allegedly) going to leave the CSP and go work for DHS. In terms of credibility, this “article” affects not 315 million people, but at most the few hundred thousand paranoid wing nuts that WANT to believe what it implies SO BADLY. And BILLIONS around the world? Lord love a duck, Ted! Do you know what “overreach” means?

            You talk about “reasoning abilities”? How about showing us some rather than being a mindless parrot? My partisanship is for TRUTH, not any politician or party—-too bad that YOUR partisanship is showing here, as any thinking person can see.

      • rendarsmith

        If it’s really “horsepucky” how about providing some evidence instead of just dismissing it?
        Mr. Science Fields sure does love his Kool-Aid!

        • Right Brain Thinker

          I made some replies to chocopot and Smurfy and rendar somewhere in here but they appear to have been deleted. Apparently the “moderator” is very thin sinned today where I am concerned. I guess we don’t like to see the Vampires of Ignorance screaming and writhing when the Holy Water of Truth is sprinkled on them? I will not bother to reconstruct them except to say that the three of them together can’t come up with one real argument.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Right Brain Thinker,

            You write: “I made some replies to chocopot and Smurfy and rendar somewhere in here but they appear to have been deleted. Apparently the “moderator” is very thin sinned today where I am concerned.” None of your comments have been deleted today. Once again you are all sound and fury signifying nothing.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Right Brain Thinker

            OK, Bob, if you say so—-we have had an “immaculate disappearance”. As I said, their comments were not much of anything and my responses didn’t really matter because of that.

            Love the “sound and fury” reference. So “literate”.

      • chocopot

        “Another citation from a wing nut web site that is, as usual, maybe 10% truth and 90% horsepucky.”

        Sounds like a description off Obama and the mainstream media (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, etc.).

      • $20888627

        Its laughable that Libtards always fall all over yrselves to excuse Obumma for EVERY little stupid thing he says or does. Why do you worship a fraud who hates you, is destroying yr nation thru bankruptcy and dissension and is shredding the Constitution, JUST LIKE BUSH JR??? Obumma is saying ‘Lets steal everyone’s guns “for the kids” ‘ but hes MURDERED 276 Afghani children by drones, more than Bush jr did. Obuma and Holder gave high powered automatic weapons to a ruthless Mexican drug cartel but now those 2 TREASONOUS CRIMINALS want to act tough on guns??? Hypocrite much

        • Right Brain Thinker

          Idiot much? I don’t “worship” O’Bama in the slightest. I “worship” truth and there is very little coming from the right wing nuts.

          Why do you conned conservatives worship any lie that anyone peddles to you? Why do you worship insane and over-the-top rhetoric rather than rational analysis and debate?

          • winder50

            You may not worship him, but you don’t hold him responsible for anything either. He is the president, and as such, has more power to make things better in this country than any of us. We are in recovery? There are millions more in this country that have given up looking for work (therefore, the media can say the unemployment has gone down, if a person is not looking for work, he is taken out of the unemployment rolls, yay for Obama!) There are millions more on Welfare, that the government has actually been advertising to make people feel GOOD about going on the dole.
            How about looking at the truth from both sides, instead of just from what the lame stream media says?

      • momo

        “That’s what propagandists do—-pile the lies high and deep and keep repeating them until the ignorant accept them as truth. ”
        You mean like Obama, not O’bama, telling everyone the economy is in recovery?

        • Right Brain Thinker

          It’s not in recovery? It may be a bit weak in spots and “stuttering”, but it is recovering in spite of whatever lies you choose to tell yourself.

          • Irish1025

            oh is it? we currently have 12% or better unemployment because there is NO JOBS when you have college graduates working as waiter’s and waitress’s as well as other low paying jobs to be working 2 jobs just so they can pay off their loans how can you call that “recovery” how do i know this you ask? simple.I know of too many college grads who had to move back in with mom and dad because of no work in their chosen fields.Why don’t you try living in reality for a change,you just might see what the rest of us are talking about.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            12%? What ‘reality” did you snatch that from?

      • Irish1025

        aahhh whats the matter right brain fart? doe’s the truth hurt? funny how you libtards like only your “version” of truth! just wait justice is coming and Good will triumph over evil(liberals) have a nice day!

        • Right Brain Thinker

          Duh!

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Vigilant,

      I saw this item yesterday after I had written the article above. I started to add it but decided this was getting too long and figured to save it for another day. Thanks for posting it. It is obvious to me the regime working overtime to demonize anyone who believes in the supremacy of anything other than the state.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • macgyver1948

        Bob Livingston… I would look forward to what you write concerning this subject on “religious extremism” and on this article Vigilant offers. I am so opposed to any religion who dominates and imposes their beliefs on others (Jihad can come in all religions, it has in many, and languages to different degrees) but each religious group very much has the right to practice their ways within their community.

        I myself am a Conservative Jew, having Orthodox Jewish relatives, and I too am offended by this kind of labeling especially if it comes from our government and I can in a way consider our military as a 4th branch of government. It is sad to see this in writing but I hope it is not true, not in a country with Freedom Of Religion and Free Speech.

      • WTS/JAY

        Ex-illuminist reveals infiltration of the “military” by the illuminati for the express purpose of instituting “occult-raligions”…This information will expand on the article submitted by Vigilant.

  • KG

    If you Christians would read your Bible, you would realize that the “Beast” is not a government entity, but a RELIGIOUS entity. The “Tribulation ” that you guys are looking forward too is actually a RELIGIOUS persecution. A persecution by the revised Sadducees and Pharisees that Christ taught us to avoid. I actualy fear the Pentecostal church down the street from me more than the Policeman. At least the Policeman is required to tell me if he is going to arrest me. But those crazy bible and gun clutching Pentecostals could “go postal” without warning!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/whisper.atnight.5 Whisper Atnight

      OH REALLY? AND WHOM HAVE THEY ATTACK? WHOM HAVE THEY KILLED? WHILE YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT ALLOWS FOR LIVING BREATHING BABIES TO BE KILLED BY CUTTING THEIR SPINAL CORDS. SO, WHO ARE THE REAL TERRORIST? YOU ARE, YOU SUPPORT THE EFFORTS OF THE GOVERNMENT TO TERRORIZE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS WITH ALL THEIR AGENCIES. YES, THEY TERRORIZE US WITH THEIR THREATS AND LAWS AND THEIR LAW ENFORCERS. FOLKS CAN’T EVEN HAVE A RIGHT TO THEIR OWN PROPERTY ANY MORE. BUT, I GUESS YOU ARE JUST ENVIOUS OF YOUR NEIGHBORS.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Whisper is obviously a charter member of the Con(ned) Club.

        Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973, ~40 years ago. Since then, Republicans have held the presidency for 24 years, Dems 16. Why haven’t Republican “governments” worked to repeal Roe v. Wade during all that time?

        Because they need abortion as an issue to “con” the ignorant into supporting their efforts to destroy the middle class and give the country to the plutocracy. Same with gay rights, immigration, unions, the war against science, guns, and a host of other issues. It’s all part of the “shrink the government” and “destroy confidence in the government” plan. Listen to the paid shills of the plutocracy instead. Let the plutocracy buy the legislative process.

        And Whisper and friends keep sucking it all up and mindlessly scream “TERROR”. Here’s another one for you, Whisper—-your MAILMAN is also a government “terrorist” and is spying on you—–and he won’t take your mail unless you put a stamp on it——beware!

        • Ringgo1

          Is that all you have? Just putting down those who don’t buy the leftist bs we all see far too often? Ugh!

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Yeah, Wronggo, that’s ALL I have, and compared to this feeble “comeback” of yours, it’s actually QUITE A LOT OF TRUTH.

            Whisper and Vigilant are the ones spouting BS and pointing that out is not “putting them down”, just their “errors”. They will only need to be “put down” if they keep spouting horsepucky.

            PS “Ugh” yourself (and up your game)

          • http://www.facebook.com/whisper.atnight.5 Whisper Atnight

            YOU ARE IN ERROR. [comment has been edited] DO YOU EVEN HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FOUNDATION OF THIS COUNTRY, THE PEOPLE!!!!

            NOT SOME OUT OF TOUCH POLITICIANS WHO COULDN’T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT CHARITY OR SAVING A LIFE. THEY GO TO OTHER COUNTRIES ENSIGHTING ONE WAR AFTER THE OTHER, AND NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO TURN THE PEOPLE HERE IN ON ITSELF. YOU SHOULD BE JOINING US TO STOP WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTRY.

          • Guest

            Do you know mister right brain thinker that the bible says that those who do not gather the flock, spread them and spreading the flock instead of gathering them means that he is a con artist. read the bible it will teach you a trick or two. Also on how to identify a ‘fool’. No wonder there are people out there afraid of the truth. It will tear down their ‘image’. This is the very reason they killed Jesus, they couldnt stand the fact that he plucked the people apart, especially the people in power had a problem with this. Only the wise can take an advise and learn from it when they see it is truth. Gather, dont spread. Also dont take filthy money just to survive or ‘save’ yourself. Its really not worth it… Dont fight just to get your point through, everyone has a dignity and also wont waste time to discuss the most important things with someone in a constant battle with everyone and especially themselves. I hope you will get well because those who are saved are saved, although they need support, it is up to helping those who are still in ‘battle with themselves’. Its just unecessary…

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Thank you for your apparent concern, helena. I do wish, however, that you and your bible-thumping brethren would stop interpreting ancient literature for me.

          • helena

            nothing to do with the bible at all. its common sense. I wish the best for you because you are a bit negative. also you seem to be really hating a lot of things and fight with everyone in here. freshen up, its good for you. people are people, not groups like you are implying.

          • WTS/JAY

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          • Right Brain Thinker

            You seem like a nice person, helena, but you are a bit naive. There are some things that have been going on in this country for the past 30+ years that DEMAND that someone get “negative” about them, things that are destroying the country. I feel little real “hate”, but I do have virtually no patience for the ignorance, self-delusion, disinformation, and just plain lying that pervades this site.

            I swore an oath and adopted a code when I joined the USMC many years ago and I live by it today—-the enemies of the country need to be “fought” wherever they are found, and the folks who frequent PLD don’t even realize who the real enemy is. And they HAVE joined a “group”—the group I referred to as “conned conservatives”. That’s self-evident if you read the comments here.

        • S.C.Murf

          right brain fart says the mailman is a terrorist and rbf is a fool

          up the hill
          airborne

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Duh!

        • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

          Speaking of ignorance. A perfect example here.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Uh, Greg? What is this “here” you speak of in this inane comment? All of PLD?

            Are you speaking of Vigilant and Whisper and Wronggo and Smurfy? I do wholeheartedly agree with you if you are.

          • WTS/JAY

            A perfect example indeed! Not only of ignorance, but of blind hatred as well. Do you suppose we are conversing with a member of the Taliban?

          • Right Brain Thinker

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          • Right Brain Thinker

            Why is JAY getting all this help from the moderator? He can spout all his crap about me, but I am not allowed to respond? My observations about his “problem” are perfectly valid. Take a look at what he says and when he says it—-look at the timing and sequencing and “deterioration ” he displays and it becomes self-evident.

          • WTS/JAY

            Projecting?

        • http://www.facebook.com/whisper.atnight.5 Whisper Atnight

          EXCUSE ME BUT I AM A LIBERTARIAN, I AM NOT A SUPPORTER OF THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM. SO , GO BLAH BLAH YOUR PROPAGANDA TO SOMEONE WHO CARES IF YOU ARE LEFT OR RIGHT. I DO THINK THAT KILLING LIVING BREATHING BABIES ON THE ALTER OF ABORTION TABLES. IT A HUMANITARIAN SITUATION, AND THAT IS INHUMANE. SO, GO BLOW IT OUT YOUR BUTT.

        • Charlie

          Half Wit,,,
          What does The King’s Law say???

        • WTS/JAY

          While Obama has promised to reduce abortions and some of his supporters believe that will happen, this long list proves his only agenda is promoting more abortions.

          During the presidential election, Obama selected pro-abortion Sen. Joe Biden as his vice-presidential running mate.

          Post-Election / Pre-Inauguration

          November 5, 2008 – Obama selects pro-abortion Rep. Rahm Emanuel as his White House Chief of Staff. Emanuel has a 0% pro-life voting record according to National Right to Life.

          November 19, 2008 – Obama picks pro-abortion former Sen. Tom Daschleas his Health and Human Services Secretary. Daschle has a long pro-abortion voting record according to National Right to Life.

          November 20, 2008 – Obama chooses former NARAL legal director Dawn Johnsen to serve as a member of his Department of Justice Review Team. Later, he finalizes her appointment as the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of the Legal Counsel in the Obama administration.

          November 24, 2008 – Obama appoints Ellen Moran, the former director of the pro-abortion group Emily’s List as his White House communications director. Emily’s List only supports candidates who favored taxpayer funded abortions and opposed a partial-birth abortion ban.

          November 24, 2008 – Obama puts former Emily’s List board member Melody Barnes in place as his director of the Domestic Policy Council.

          November 30, 2008 – Obama named pro-abortion Sen. Hillary Clinton as the Secretary of State. Clinton has an unblemished pro-abortion voting record and has supported making unlimited abortions an international right.

          December 10, 2008 – Obama selects pro-abortion former Clinton administration official Jeanne Lambrew to become the deputy director of the White House Office of Health Reform. Planned Parenthood is “excited” about the selection.

          December 10, 2008 – Obama transition team publishes memo from dozens of pro-abortion groups listing their laundry list of pro-abortions actions they want him to take.

          CLICK LIKE IF YOU’RE PRO-LIFE!

          Pro-Abortion Presidential Record – 2009

          January 5, 2009 – Obama picks pro-abortion Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine as the chairman of the Democratic Party.

          January 6, 2009 – Obama chooses Thomas Perrelli, the lawyer who represented Terri Schiavo’s husband Michael in his efforts to kill his disabled wife, as the third highest attorney in the Justice Department.

          January 22, 2009 – Releases statement restating support for Roe v. Wade decision that allowed virtually unlimited abortions and has resulted in at least 50 million abortions since 1973.

          January 23, 2009 – Forces taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations. Decision to overturn Mexico City Policy sends part of $457 million to pro-abortion organizations.

          January 26, 2009 – Obama nominee for Deputy Secretary of State, James B. Steinberg, tells members of the Senate that taxpayers should be forced to fund abortions. Nominee erroneously says limits on abortion funding are unconstitutional.

          January 29, 2009 – President Obama nominates pro-abortion David Ogden as Deputy Attorney General. – The Vatican has rejected three Obama ambassador nominees because of their positions in favor of abortions.

          April 7 – Obama has named pro-abortion law professor Harold Hongju Koh as the top lawyer for the State Department.

          April 7 – Put more abortion advocates on his White House advisory council for faith-based issues.

          February 12, 2009 – Obama nominates pro-abortion Elena Kagan to serve as Solicitor General.

          February 27, 2009 – Starts the process of overturning pro-life conscience protectionsPresident Bush put in place to make sure medical staff and centers are not forced to do abortions.

          February 28, 2009 – Barack Obama nominates pro-abortion Kathleen Sebelius to become Secretary of Health and Human Services.

          March 5, 2009 – The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit. Planned Parenthood, the nation’s largest abortion business, made the invitation list as did other pro-abortion groups.

          March 9, 2009 – President Barack Obama signed an executive order forcing taxpayer fundingof embryonic stem cell research.

          March 10, 2009 – Obama announces the creation of a new foreign policy position to focus on women’s issues. He names Melanne Verveer, an abortion
          advocate, to occupy the post.

          March 10, 2009 – Reverses an executive order to press for more research into ways of obtaining embryonic stem cells without harming human life. The order Obama scrapped would have promoted new forms of stem cell research.

          March 11, 2009 – Obama signed an executive order establishing a new agency within his administration known as the White House Council on Women and Girls. Obama’s director of public liaison at the White House, Tina Tchen, an abortion advocate, became director of it.

          March 11, 2009 – Obama administration promotes an unlimited right to abortion at a United Nations meeting.

          March 11, 2009 – Obama administration officials deny negative effects of abortion at United Nation’s meeting.

          March 17, 2009 – President Barack Obama makes his first judicial appointment and names pro-abortion federal Judge David Hamilton to serve on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals…

          continued: http://www.lifenews.com/2010/11/07/obamaabortionrecord/

        • WTS/JAY

          You must be a charter member of libel(ral) Club, RBT.

          The radical-left (left-wing-Taliban) makes much ado about children, yet, the fact is, they couldn’t give a fig about them! If libel(rals) loved children so much, they wouldn’t be constantly advocating for abortion in the third world. One of the first things Obama did, to the cheers of liberals, when entering office, was to restore “tax-payer-funding” of (abortion groups in the third world). If you closely examine “libel(ral)-foreign-policy” you will note that at the core, they believe the third world would be better off if its inhabitants just had fewer kids. Libel(rals) love using children as an emotional rationale for all of their political-crusades. Because “radical-libel(ralism)” can’t be defended based on either logic or phenomenological data, liberals have to always keep people from thinking about libel(ral) objectives, and the best way to do that is to (emotionalize) any issue by bringing in children. They have even argued that abortion is “good” for children. One of their arguments when they were in the process of trying to legalizing abortion, was that abortion would end “child-abuse” because every child would be a wanted child. Naturally, they no longer use that argument as much, since child-abuse has “skyrocketed” since abortion was legalized… Those same libel(rals) who were essentially saying that they had to kill children to save them mocked the U.S. military in Vietnam with the following following quote: “It became necessary to destroy the town to save it”. One has to be seriously “deranged” to suggest that we must kill children to save children…? No person in their right mind that cares about children would suggest to killing some to save others;(libel(rals) are like the “false-mother” in the story of Solomon).

          The truth; libel(rals) do not care about the children. As a matter of fact, libel(rals) have been waging a war on children for the last (50) years. In the libel(ral) mind, children are a “problem”(the ones that made it past the “butchers” that pass themselves off as doctors, that is) not a blessing — which helps explain why so many libel(ral) policies victimize children.

          Extreme statement? Not really; Margret Sanger, who is a highly esteemed member of the modern libel(ral)-pantheon, proposed: “The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it”. Now, If that’s not an expression of contempt and a call for a war on children, what is? Yet libel-rals cite Sanger as an “exemplar” of libel(ralism)…

          • Right Brain Thinker

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      • KG

        Uh, ever hear of something called “The Inquisition?” While it may have been a Catholic undertaking, the Evangelicals and the Catholics are united in their quest to preserve fetuses. And they are just a step away from establishing a new Inquisition – the very thing our Founding Fathers tried to avoid.

        It’s funny, but just a few years ago most Evangelicals were Anti-catholic. What happened? Haven’t you “unequally yoked” yourselves?

        • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

          The sanctity of life has been devalued deliberately, to desensitize the average person to willingly accept the death panels that will begin in earnest very soon. Coming to a theater near you.

          • Bob666

            Yo Greg,

            you really have swallowed the bate, the hook and the sinker!

        • WTS/JAY

          The “Inquisition”? How could i forget? For those who are not sure what the Inquisition was all about, they need only study Obama’s policies.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            An attempt at “cuteness” that falls WAY short. What’s next, JAY, Holocaust jokes?

          • WTS/JAY

            Holocaust jokes? Shame on you, RBT, the Holocaust is nothing to joke about.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            That’s exactly my point, JAY, and neither is the Inquisition.
            (Nor are O’Bama’s policies, for that matter).

    • Ithamar

      You are really joking us, aren’t you?

      • $20888627

        That POS traitor to America IS a joke.

    • Steve E

      KG is just afraid of Jesus. Lots of left wingers are. Actually they are scared of most anything, including guns. Don’t ask me what makes them such cowards of the truth.

      • KG

        I’m not afraid of Jesus, just all the people who claim Him and yet still act like total [expletive deleted]

        • hungry4food

          KG is scared of having to be responsible in the Moral sense .

          The idea that one has to live by a set of sins that tell you if you cross this Line you will be judged pisses off the Spoil Liberals who have always got their way and always get the Government to give them the stuff they want !!!!

          • KG

            Judged by whom? YOU? ARE YOU GOD!!

          • hungry4food

            you should repent for supporting the lies the Government have been covering up , and papering over with FAKE Money to win the favor of society with the appeasement by the Fake Apostle !!!!!

          • hungry4food

            LOL , just Corrupt the system of rules that Govern a Free Society of self regulation like allowing Trade Policies to be Manipulated by the Gluttony of GREEDY Fascists and the rest is History once the Corrupt are backed into a Corner by the Corruptee – in – Chief . they feed off each other while Saying they are worried about the poor and middle class citizens which is all for just gaining support to CHANGE THE RULES of the FREE Society which governs themselves to a Statist system , LOL LOL and we will even see them ERASE the HISTORY of the FREE Society like it never existed so they can Control the Minds of our Young as we saw the MSNBC Spokesperson say that Our Children belong to the Collective a few days ago !!!! LOL LOL LOL we are over the Cliff and waiting our fate by not keeping God as Our leader in following the path of Unalienable rights !!!!!

            We Don’t Need Obama’s Birth Certificate , now
            this has a different twist to the conspiracy ……..

            http://www.westernjournalism.com/we-dont-need-obamas-birth-certificate/

            Read this

            http://svenmagnussen.blogspot.com/2013/03/obama-naturalized-as-us-citizen-in-1983.html

            Pictures:

            http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Galleries/Barack%20Obama/obama-father-sized.jpg_
            http://images.wikia.com/genealogy/images/c/ca/Barack_Obama_senior_with_Ann_Dunham_December_1971.jpg

          • KG

            Uh…thanks for the right-wingnuts propaganda. At least its not FOX.

          • hungry4food

            Well now Head in Sand or what ??? You didn’t read the Post here about Bill Oreilly calling out the Obamanator http://svenmagnussen.blogspot.com/2013/03/obama-naturalized-as-us-citizen-in-1983.html

          • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

            Yes I am God. I condemn you to a life of misery before going straight to hell without passing GO.

          • Bob666

            Yo Greg,
            Would that be living the life of Greg Murphy?

          • Andy

            I may not be god, but I may be the one that gets to judge you. Hope so.

          • Bob666

            Yo Andy,
            Care to explain how that will happen???

          • Ted Crawford

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          • Charlie

            KG,,,

            Judged by The Law Words of King Jesus Christ,,,who is God!!!

            AND any good “True” Christian “Prayer Warrior” can call in “Judgment” upon You “Under” The “Will” of King Jesus Christ…

            Meanwhile…………………………………………………….

            Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

            Charlie Freedom

        • monizame

          You are the [expletive deleted] mister! You better be afraid of Jesus because when the time comes you wont get mercy!!

          • Bob666

            Yo Bob,
            It was my understanding that Christ is merciful.

        • rendarsmith

          And by [expletive deleted] you mean those Christians who dare to defend themselves from Atheists, right?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Since Jesus is a Liberal, why would any so-called “left wingers” (does that mean “liberal”?) be afraid of him. The ones who actually should be afraid are the ones who claim to be Christians and behave in VERY NON Christianlike ways. Like so many of those who thump the bible so strongly on this site?

        • Charlie

          Half wit,,,
          Are you talking behind My back again???

          • Charlie

            YO YO,,,
            Ha ha ha hbaha …..BTW King Jesus is merciful to those that ask…
            Do you know how to pray YO YO???

        • Ted Crawford

          Been reading your maoist bible again !
          II Thessalonians 3 : 10
          1 Timothy 5:8

        • WTS/JAY

          Jesus is a liberal? You wish.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            He sure was a liberal. Look in your Troll Manual and find a citation that says he was a Conservative and I’ll take that back.

          • WTS/JAY

            Ah, such arrogance that you will now take it upon yourself to define the Creator and Sustainer of all life and affix to Him a label that best suits your self-serving desires? Arrogance doesn’t begin to describe what you are, not to mention your pathetic attempt at intelligent-conversation!

          • Right Brain Thinker

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            I might accept that Jesus was a man who walked on this planet, and that he was a prophet of sorts, and that his teachings would make him a liberal, but I attach no “definitions” to him other than that. All that other stuff is religious “invention” by humans who need to feed their “self-serving desires”.

          • rocketride

            Gott mit uns, huh? Typical. Every tyrannical regime in history (except for some Marxists) has tried to claim blessings of and even active support from God (or the gods). Next, you’ll be springing that other old favorite, Arbeit macht frei, on us.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            You are so freaking oblivious that I wonder why I wast the time to acknowledge you. No Gott mit uns, because god (if he even exists) doesn’t give a rodent’s rear end about humans. One thin I know you won’t be “springing” on us is any evidence of intelligent thought. How about Arctic Sea Ice Death Spiral? A little arbeit there might macht frei your constipated brain.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Right Brain Thinker,

            You write: “because god (sic) (if he even exists) doesn’t give a rodent’s rear end about humans.” This is an incredibly foolish statement in light of:

            John 3: 16“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”

            I will tell you that you are fast wearing out your welcome. However, I will continue to pray for you, regardless.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Right Brain Thinker

            I am fast wearing out my welcome, Bob? Would you care to elaborate on that statement? What exactly have I done that is “wearing out my welcome”? And what will be the consequences if and when I do “wear it out”?

      • macgyver1948

        Steve E… Do you really believe what you say about
        “left wingers” here concerning Jesus? Many left wingers are
        not afraid of him, many are not Christian so we just do not
        believe in Jesus, and many are and do, but very much believe in
        God and that in no way means we are afraid of your Jesus.
        But it is nice to see your side is still often jumping to the wrong
        conclusions of us, along with your generalizations, not much changes
        in that.

    • S.C.Murf

      You lie kg and you will be held accountable for those lies

      up the hill

      airborne

      • KG

        What did i lie about?

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        Woman borne

        • AR

          Shouldn’t that sign off be “woman’s fetal tissue”?

        • $20888627

          Every damn syllable.

      • WTS/JAY

        KG has crafted so many lies, he can scarcely keep track…!

    • Charlie

      KG,,,
      Well,,,how about that ? KG thinks he knows who the “Beast” is,,,BUT,,,gives NO ‘Scriptures”… Check out 1 John 2:18–22,,,to see who the Anti-Christ is…
      Then check John 8:30—50,,,King Jesus Christ point out the “Edomite jews”,
      and the lineage of those Edomite jews are mostly The Anti- Christ “Beast” of today… Also check out Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 where King Jesus Christ points
      out The “Beast” of Today………….
      Don’t worry about those Pentecostal ,,,they need The Post Office,,,BUT,,,Do,
      fear their “Pray Warriors” ,,, IF? they pray against you,,, King Jesus may take notice… Meanwhile ……………………………….
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

      • KG

        Sometimes you fell like a nut, sometimes you don’t!

        • Charlie

          KG,,,
          What does The Scripture say? I did not write it… Prove it wrong…

    • Charlie

      KG,,,
      Where’s your Scriptures to back up what you say ??? We posted a number of Scriptures that point out “”the Beast” , but, they are gone now???

      • Charlie

        Corrections,,, We found them… Meanwhile………………………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • KG

        Mathew 2:7 But
        when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he
        said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee
        from the wrath to come?

        Mathew 4:

        8 Again,
        the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth
        him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

        9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

        10 Then
        saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou
        shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

        Here’s the BIG one! All the preachers keep telling us that “we can have it all, if you give me some money.”

        • Charlie

          KG,,,
          Good , Scriptures,,, NOTICE!!! how King Jesus conquered The Devil? He said “it is written” , then quoted His “Law”… NO One can violate “””The Law!!!”””WITHOUT VIOLATING themselves upon “”The Law””… The Law, The Blood of King Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit Will always conquer The Satanic forces of darkness… Obey King Jesus and His Scriptures in Harmony with All His Science laws AND You will always be a Victor in any Battle with The Satanic forces of darkness… Meanwhile…………………..
          Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    • WTS/JAY

      KG: If you Christians would read your Bible, you would realize that the “Beast” is not a government entity, but a RELIGIOUS entity.

      Actually its a combination of “both”.

  • Right Brain Thinker

    At first glance, this appears to be more than a “credible rumor”, even though the Trowbridge letter was sent to a “conservative” blogger rather than to his superiors or anyone in the “chain of command”. Of course, whether anything in it is proven to be true or not, it will now circulate ENDLESSLY on the wing nut sites of the circular firing squad, and will be used to demonize O’Bama, even though he had nothing to do with it.

    Fear mongering and paranoia from the right, and PLD is doing its bit to keep it going. And the boys and girls in the mindless conservative “club” will suck it up and pass it on. Here’s a clip, source forgotten, that is titled “Cons Conned”. It speaks TRUTH to the “Con Club” issue.

    “But WHY are conservatives so misinformed? Because vast profits are made
    by misinforming them. Fox, Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Weiner-Savage,
    Coulter, (AND PLD?) etc. make a huge amount of money catering to a crowd that wants a daily dose of outrage. It’s business, pure and simple. The
    conservative media makes money by manufacturing anger and indignation.
    To do that in a complex world, they have to omit many facts, ignore
    other perspectives and often just invent things. The interests of the
    voters (and audience) are almost irrelevant. People seem to get addicted
    to the ego-rush that comes from feeling superior to “those damn
    unpatriotic liberals”, and they get addicted to being angry and
    over-stimulated. This is a crowd that wants certainty, wants to feel
    important and affirmed, and likes to imagine it is powerful and dominant
    and has “inside knowledge”. And that’s what right-wing media delivers,
    no matter the actual reality. Because the profits are huge”

    PS Are we all aware of the number of incidents in which “sovereigns” have attacked lawmen? Quite a few of them, and quite a few fatalities—-police are receiving training in how to deal with them because they ARE dangerous. .

    • Ithamar

      O the disaster if Bible believing Christians become “over-stimulated” and resist the destruction of their country and the workings of those who would enslave them! Are you getting paid to lurk around conservative sites and supply disinformation in support of the “progressive” movement?

      • Ringgo1

        You have correctly labeled “Right Brain Thinker”.

        • rocketride

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      • Right Brain Thinker

        No, I just do it because I am a retired educator and there is truth to the old saying “Once a teacher, always a teacher”. PLD is a virtual diamond mine of folks who need to be educated, and I make it my mission to counter the misinformation that “conservative sites” put out. I visit many but comment rarely—urinating into the hurricane force winds of ignorance on just this one site is way beyond the time I have available.

        I think you have it wrong about “Bible believing Christians”–the most extreme among them are not resisting the destruction of the country, but assisting it. Their mindless intolerance and allowing themselves to be led around by the nose by UN Christian forces is what is likely to lead to enslavement

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000888891050 Michael Knack

          An “educator” ala Bill Ayers. How can you be a teacher, when you know so little? No wonder this nations youth are so stupid!

          • Right Brain Thinker

            How can you call yourself a “commenter”, when you SAY so little? You don’t like what I say? I don’t like fools who have nothing to say and resort to childish name-calling. We’re even.

        • Ithamar

          That you are a “retired educator” or “teacher”, I do not doubt. No one could be so thoroughly indoctrinated in left wing misinformation and dis-information methods save someone “educated” into the same. I do doubt you are honest and that you are not being paid minimum wage by “Progressive” organizations for your attempts to disrupt the work of conservative sites to expose socialist/ Marxist government administration lies. You indicate that you know what true Christianity is. Why don’t you enlighten us less “educated” folk who profess to be true followers of Jesus Christ as to what true Christianity really is?

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Blah, blah, blah. Thanks for some more ignorant OPINION—it’s not like we don’t have enough of that on PL:D, so go ahead and add more.

            Christianity is not something I would try to “educate” anyone about. It is a matter of BELIEF and everyone is entitled to their own beliefs (just not their own facts). It is a FACT that there is much hypocrisy and Un Christian behavior in the history of the Church—-Crusades and Inquisitions and absolute infallibility of the bible. Did you not comprehend my comment?

            “I think you have it wrong about “Bible believing Christians”–the most extreme among them are not resisting the destruction of the country, but assisting it. Their mindless intolerance and allowing themselves to be led around by the nose by UN Christian forces is what is likely to lead to enslavement”

            I was speaking of extremists (and I would classify you as one if you “profess to be a TRUE follower of Christ”)—-rather prideful and intolerant, that comment, since it implies that SOME followers of Christ are not “true”.

        • Lonnie G Hopson

          Why do you not counter all the disinformation put out by the current administration and their mouthpieces in the main stream media? Or do you actually BELIEVE all their LIES? Educate me, please!

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Lonnie,
            The “current administration” is not putting out any more disinformation than other administrations, and probably less than Bush and Cheney did most recently. The problem is that you and the rest of the mindless (the Con(ned) Conservatives) are so consumed with confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance that you refuse to accept the idea that the “current administration” is being as honest with you as any politician ever is.

            You talk about the mainstream media? The corporations and the plutocracy own the mainstream media and it is actually biased towards the RIGHT wing rather than the left. You obviously want to believe the horsepucky that you get from the “alternate” media, which is even more biased and serially repeats lies. You say “educate you”? You sound like you are too far gone to be educated—-live on in blissful ignorance.

            (And it is up to YOU, not me, to “counter” the so-called disinformation that YOU perceive. I have my major complaints about what O’Bama has and has not done, and have spoken of them. You have been so busy listening to yourself and the rest of the mindless parrots that you probably missed my remarks)

        • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

          You are a poor excuse for an educator.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            And why is that, Greg? What makes me a “poor excuse”? What qualifies you to pass judgment on me?

            Just because you don’t like what I say? Just because you have no real response so you just call me names?

            You poste d eight meaningless words, Greg. Up your game.

          • rocketride

            Pretty much the same thing that qualifies you to pass judgment on anyone.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Go away, rocket. Come back when you have something intelligent to say.

        • S.C.Murf

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          up the hill
          airborne

          • rocketride

            He never listened to her when she told him not to swing at buzzing piñatas, either.

        • Proud to be a Believer

          Now we understand because for the life of me I couldn’t understand your thinking but now since you said you are a teacher do I understand as you have certainly been brainwashed by colleges and don’t have a thought of your own because if you knew and understood the bible, you would know what you espouse is not true. Not all professed Christians no matter the denomination are true believers and know what they speak. People for generations have been taking alot of the verses in the Bible out of context. Unfortunately I won’t be here to see all of the people wishing they had paid attention, because on the Great white Throne judgement they are condemned for eternity. Eternity is a very long time. One does not get to heaven or be in the rapture by good works. It is simple, all they have to believe and confess with their mouth is verses 1 through 4 of 2nd Corinthians. What is happening now is all fortold in Revelation and we are almost there to the one world government which ushers in the 7 year tribulation. To understand in plain English in story book version of Revelation, read the Left Behind Series (12 books). This will give you a great insight of what Revelation is about, then make your choice of to believe or not to believe.

          • Bob666

            YAWN!

          • Right Brain Thinker

            You may have been “brainwashed” PTBAB, particularly if you were home-schooled or went to one of the “Christian” colleges. I myself was educated in school, and I learned how to look for truth rather than blindly accept dogma.

            As I said to lthamar, everyone is entitled to their own BELIEFS, but not their own facts. Please don’t try to tell everyone that what YOU BELIEVE the bible tells us is FACT.

            ALL my thoughts are my own, and I base them on 73 years of living, studying, and learning, mostly ion the world of academia, where thinking is the main business. I have chosen to follow the path of rational and objective analysis of facts—-that’s the basis for what I “believe”, and I am always willing to change my beliefs when someone can prove those facts or analysis to be wrong.

          • Charlie

            Half Wit,,,
            Glad to hear God is allowing you to progress from a young fool to an old fool,,,but,,,? are you going to continue on to an eternal fool ??? flying toward The Black Hole of eternal separation from The Blessings of The Almighty God and His Son??? Meanwhile……….
            Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Would Jesus call me “half wit” and a “fool”? Not likely—-in fact he would probably call me a “follower”, since I believe in his teachings about how we should treat our fellow man, as you apparently don’t. Charlie, you need to worry about your own salvation rather than lecture me about mine.

            “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you seethe speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”

            Matthew was speaking to YOU, Charlie, as well as to MANY others who blather endlessly on PLD, including many of the self-styled “true believers” and biggest bible thumpers. Hypocrites all.

          • Charlie

            Half Wit,,,
            How about IF I call you Dim Wit? these 2 sound as good as Right brain Thinker,,,which indicates your left brain is idle,,,is that left side washed out , or, just your whole brain is washed?? Give applicable Scriptures and I might call you Righteous Brain Thinker… Meanwhile……………………………
            Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing…Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Couldn’t really answer my comments, Charlie?

            is that why you are thrashing around and saying nothing here? “Give applicable scriptures”, you say? I gave you one that speaks to you perfectly—-Matthew 7:1-29—-or couldn’t you see it because of the “log” in your eye?.

            The bible is just another “holy book” to the great majority of the humans on this planet, Charlie. You are free to “find” what lessons you want to find in it, but I wish you would really speak to us and prove that you are a real “christian” rather than just give us “scripture” and speak in decidedly UN Christian ways.

          • rocketride

            Note that in most humans, it’s the left side of the brain that specializes in analysis and logic. I can only conclude that RBT, himself, has noticed the neurological deficit, though why he’d advertize it in his “handle” escapes me. Is it an example of “Stupid is as stupid does”?

          • Right Brain Thinker

            rocket made some sort of inane comment to me (removed) three hours ago and it took him A WHOLE HOUR to come up with another one? And he addresses it to Charlie, the bible thumping hypocrite, rather than to me? Afraid of me, rocket? You should be.

            Notice that he is STILL avoiding talking about the Arctic Sea Ice Death Spiral, and instead keeps on spouting foolishness. He has looked some things up in “Brains for Dummies” and now wants us to believe he is as “expert” there as he is in organic and biochemistry (remember?—-he got very good grades there but doesn’t know the difference between “lymphatic” and “lipidic”?)

            LOL, rocket, you ARE pathetic!

          • rocketride

            Miss me, RoBoT? Who is the pathetic one here? You’re the one complaining about my (upwards of a whole hour, sometimes) absences from various fora, not the other way around. It’s like you feel jilted, or some such. You’re a little old for a first crush, aren’t you? Some of us have lives away from the computer, and some, apparently, do not.

            BTW, did you really think that that video was going to convince anyone with a working left hemisphere (i.e., anyone who hasn’t already drank the kool-aid) of anything?

            Chew on this for a bit: http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/04/08/climate-depot-round-up-the-great-warmist-retreat-has-officially-begun-the-mainstream-media-cannot-maintain-the-official-warmist-narrative-any-longer/

            The big difference, RoBoT, is that I don’t expect anyone without a working left hemisphere (that would be you, among others, BTW) to be convinced by any of it. And I don’t expect anyone else to be on these fora 24/7.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Hello Junior,
            Glad to see you’re still sneaking around making comments on dead threads in the hopes that will no one will notice and point out your failings to you.

            Too bad. I’m taking one quick look at this one before I delete it for good and here you are, spouting nonsense. Where did you find that piece of crap website you cited? You had to search for it under “AGW denier crap” because that ‘s what it is—-it’s a CFACT site, and anyone knows that CFACT is funded by oil money and oil interests and has been totally discredited as a source.

            Too bad you didn’t comprehend the Arctic Sea Ice Death Spiral clip (if you even looked at it). I may not be around to see it, but if you are as young as you sound, you will suffer the consequences of AGW in your lifetime.

            See you on another thread—-grow up and grow a brain in the meantime.

          • rocketride

            Afraid of you? Seriously. Mildly concerned that maybe you didn’t eat that goat I gave you, but, rather satisfied different appetites with it, maybe. I figured you’d eat it, but it was a freely given gift with no preconditions, so have at it. What happens in the ravine stays in the ravine, and if you don’t tell, we won’t ask.

          • winder50

            I wondered if anyone else noticed that. Someone who was that educated would know that right brain connotes non-logical, emotional thinking, and the left side mainly does the logical, analytical thinking.

          • r

            Too bad you really haven’t studied ‘brains” beyond looking in a “Brains and Thinking for Dummies” book. You might want to read The Republican Brain for some insights that are relevant here—-the comparatively new field of political neuroscience and how it relates to political thinking.

          • rocketride

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        • rocketride

          Too bad you’re not a retiring edumacator. Since when is the UN remotely Christian?

          • Right Brain Thinker

            rocket is back, and looking dumber. Did he actually think my use of the two letters “U” and “N” referred to the United Nations? LOL

      • WTS/JAY

        Is RBT getting paid to lurk and supply dis-info? Of course, isn’t it obvious? RBT, is part of a group known “Cyber-Warriors for Obama.” What most people are not aware of, is that, shortly after Obama’s inauguration on January 23/08, something called “the Cyber-Warriors for Obama Project” was activated. This project is paid for through funds from Obama’s political corporation, called: the 501(c)4 Organizing for Obama. Instructions of the project are contained in a white, three-ring binder with Obama’s circular campaign logo imprinted on the outside of the binder with the name “Cyber-Warriors for Obama” printed in blue across the top. Inside this binder are the names and e-mail addresses of 3,575 “cyber assets,” or “warriors,” listed in alphabetical order under about a dozen or so “team leaders.” Most of these “assets” are being paid just over minimum wage, and most work from home and have no overhead. Supervisors make substantially more.

        The binder contains multiple tabs , among them, one section with the word “targets” has a list of religious web sites, web sites recognized as Christian. Another section has a listing of conservative Internet sites. There is another tab with the label “problem sites” that are quite extensive. That particular section is broken down further into “birther” sites, “pro-gun” sites, “anti-abortion” sites, just to name a few. There is also a section of the usual news sites, like CNN, ABC… Numerous e-mail addresses each corresponding to the appropriate news organization, which also includes Fox…

        The first page of the binder has bullet points labeled “objectives” and instructions for the cyber-assets. There is also a very detailed non-disclosure agreement with the word “DRAFT” typed in big, light grey letters across the body of the two-page agreement. The agreement and the instructions are typed on white paper with a warning, printed in red on each page, that the document was not to be copied or disseminated! The instructions are very specific; Infiltrate web forums, collect screen names, avatars, and posters’ tag lines, and attempt to resolve these to their actual identities. At times, the instruction to the “asset” is only to monitor but do not disrupt without authorization.

        There is another section titled “Divert, Disrupt and Destroy,” listing “how to’s” in certain cases.There is also a section on maintaining a social media presence, and another on the most effective use of Twitter.

        Lastly, there is a “reference section,” which included statistics, specific language to use to marginalize different posters, and effective methods to discredit people while maintaining a sense of legitimacy. The subheading is “And the truth shall set you free.”

        Truth? They are hired on their hacking abilities, or more precisely on their abilities to make postings through proxy servers and effectively use alternate identities and multiple e-mail addresses. Their purpose is to spread disinformation, not truth.

        There are also various pages that contain “motivational statements”, including one that referred to Obama as the “Pharaoh of the Internet,” an odd characterization.

        But what’s important is that suddenly, through the use of Internet aliases, multiple e-mail addresses, and screen names, a project that employs 3,575 people will have the appearance and effectiveness of maybe 10,000 or more different people.

        These people, “Cyber-warriors”, were hired through the campaign offices located throughout the country, and that training meetings were held at various locations. The binders were for instructional purposes, not to hand out, and contain a list of web sites.

        • Right Brain Thinker

          What IS obvious, JAY, is that you are a horsepucky peddler of the first order. I love the “story of the binder”! LOL More of the crap that we will see endlessly repeated on the circular firing squad sites—-if anyone is “getting paid to lurk and supply dis-info”, it’s YOU, JAY.

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Right Brain Thinker,

      Thank you again for engaging less than half your brain and providing nothing of substance to the conversation. What is the score now: RBT 2.5 million, PL 0?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Right Brain Thinker

        You’re welcome, Bob. I will continue to provide “nothing of substance” to the conversation if you continue to be the gracious host and allow it. (And I DO use all my brain, just in different ways than many PLD commenters).

        You flatter me, but the score inequality is nowhere near as big as you stated. I really only keep “score” with individuals who are so lacking in self-awareness that they need to be shown “numbers”. But, since you asked, I would estimate that the overall score is RBT ~several thousand, PLD ~maybe a dozen or two.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Actually, Bob, this whole conversation is pretty much “nothing of substance” because you chose to try to make something out of nothing and stretch it to imaginary national significance.

        A Sheriff’s Deputy in Prowers County Colorado makes some unverified allegations about a four hour “lesson” he sat through and you have a SIGNED document “proving” something? About DHS? LOL

        Do you even know where Prowers County, Colorado is, Bob? I do—-I’ve been there and even spent a night in Lamar, the county seat—-nice little town, nice people. Lamar has a population of maybe 9,000 and that’s more than half the population of Prowers county.

        Do you even know where La Junta, Colorado is, Bob? I’ve been there too—again a nice little town, maybe not as big as Lamar. The county it’s located in has about as many people as Prowers County.

        This is eastern Colorado, Bob, and it’s flat and looks like Kansas and is not much of a “center” for anything big. Your trying to make something out of all of it is like saying that one flea on one dog means we have a FLEA EPIDEMIC in the entire country.

    • Ringgo1

      What a waste of space for your propaganda spew.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Duh!

      • Charlie

        What do you expect from a half brain???

        • WTS/JAY

          More of the same, of course! But we must give credit where credit is due; Obama’s mini-me puts in a good effort.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Put the bottle away, JAY.

      • WTS/JAY

        And boy can he spew it!

    • Steve E

      RBY, you say: “Fear mongering and paranoia from the right, and PLD is doing its bit to keep it going”. You must love it because you spend so much time writing nonsense on this site. So don’t try to fool anybody, you are only fooling yourself.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        As I said somewhere else, this site is a diamond mine. Lots of Con(ned) Cons, a few conservatives/libertarians that make some sense, a few progressives. I took a number of psychology courses back in the day and spent 30 years in education, but I have never seen as good an “object lesson” as PLD. I read fast, I think fast, I write fast, so it’s not that much of a burden. You may have noticed that I don’t comment on many threads—–I like to concentrate my “nonsense” on science and particularly AGW topics, since there is so much ignorance here about them. And thanks for the advice from a fool about who is fooling whom—-LOL.

        • rocketride

          Your extensive education in psychology obviously gives you superior knowledge of climatology than us poor, benighted proles could ever aspire to. Oh, really?

          “-I like to concentrate my “nonsense” on science and particularly AGW topics, since there is so much ignorance here about them. And thanks for the advice from a fool about who is fooling whom—-LOL.”

          I will concede that I have rarely seen nonsense so concentrated. If the EPA were concerned with nonsense as a pollutant, your mom’s basement (where you obviously live) would be a superfund site. So that part of your braggadocio is true enough. But most people have the brains (right, left, or both) to brag about things that are actually impressive. Yours is akin to bragging about being the guy in the most different “nutshot” videos on those shows over on TruTV.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            rocket is back yet again, demonstrating his “know nothingness” to all. How does he make the jump from my psychology knowledge to climatology? Simple—he doesn’t read, or he doesn’t comprehend, or he doesn’t care—he just wants to attack, and does so rather stupidly. He is even dumb enough to put a “sarcasm” label on his foolish comment.

            I never asserted that psychology knowledge resulted in climatology knowledge, rocket—-that’s YOUR fractured logic.
            I WILL assert that my training in science and my studies over the past 40+ years have made me a very well-educated layman on many science topics, even though I’m not a “scientist”, per se, and that I try to use that to dispel ignorance and misinformation—-the people who refuse my help are the ones who have problems, rocket, not me..

            Certainly my science knowledge is so far superior to yours that it has been easy to shoot down EVERY argument you have ever made about AGW.

            Your final paragraph is pure garbage and not worth replying to. How about talking to us about the YOUTUBE ARCTIC SEA ICE DEATH SPIRAL video clip? Why do you keep avoiding the opportunity to gain some credibility and instead just keep childishly running your mouth?.

          • WTS/JAY

            rocketride, RBT can prove that not only is global-warming a fact, but that its as a direct result of human-activity…and he can prove it all with a 2 minute, youtube-video! Now, who’s going to argue with a 2 minute, youtube-video? Not me, that’s for sure!

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Of course you’re not going to argue with THE 2 minute video, JAY, and it won’t be because you don’t understand the science. I’m sure you are smart enough, although rocket may not be. The science behind it is very simple and incontrovertible.

            You won’t argue with it because it points in a very scary direction, for you, and you don’t like being afraid. You fear truth.

          • rocketride

            He believes that we can’t tell what a complete You-tuber he is. Speaking of nut-shot videos, he’d be better off watching those on You-tube than continuing to rot what’s left of his brain with that Warmist drivel.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Evade, deflect, obfuscate—but say nothing of substance—the tools of the propagandist, or, in this case, a frightened and ignorant fool who won’t look at YOUTUBE ARCTIC SEA ICE DEATH SPIRAL for fear it will force him to face truth.

            Hey, rocket—-if you want “nut shot” (whatever that means) videos about AGW, visit the Climate Denial Crock of the Week website—–they have links to a whole library of good videos that are meant to educate the fearful and ignorant like you and JAY.

          • rocketride

            A “nut-shot” video is one in which (on camera) someone, usually a high-school to college-age male, attempts some poorly thought out stunt involving a bicycle, skateboard, or parcour-ish* moves has an painful and possibly fertility-threatening encounter between his groin and an rigid, immovable object in the environment, like the handrail on an outdoor staircase or a fence.

            It usually starts out “Hey, guys, look at this!” and ends “Ow, Ow, Ow, Ow, Ow!” (or with the cameraman yelling “Call 911″, because, god forbid he would, like, stop shooting footage to, like, help his “friend” or stuff).

            *Occasionally, a powered conveyance or some more elaborate setup like swinging from a rope is involved, but it’s usually some dumbass on a bike or skateboard, or jumping off of a roof.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Ah, rocket reveals that he understands the immature with his his well done explanation of the term “nut shot video”—-I have seen many of them on the AFV program (which I watch during commercial breaks on 60 Minutes). I would be willing to bet that rocket had prominent roles in many “nut shot” videos, either as the star or the “producer/cameraman”. He certainly displays a “nut shot” mentality and maturity in his comments on PLD. Still waiting for him to act like a grown up and address the “Sea Ice Death Spiral”

          • rocketride

            I’ve never been involved in one, in any capacity. It just appears we have a TV show in common. Who’d have guessed?

      • WTS/JAY

        RBT is payed to be here. He’s a retired old fart, approaching the end of his life. He’s a “cyber-warrior” for Obama…this, i can only conclude, provides RBT with a measure of purpose in his otherwise meaningless-existence.

        • Right Brain Thinker

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        • rocketride

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        • rocketride

          By his own account, RBT is at least approaching alter-kaker-dom, if not already there, just as his beloved Lyin’ King’s healthcare policies are kicking in. He probably doesn’t see the lovely, humorous irony in that, but we do, don’t we? Friendly fire is a wonderful thing!

    • Bob666

      Yo RBT,
      when on looks at the “facts” that get quoted on this site by many of the posters, many of them (>50%) don’t pass the smell test.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Yep, it’s mostly OPINION rather than “facts” that we hear here, and unsupportable opinion at that. I don’t think many of the posters even know the difference.

  • Ithamar

    It is senators like McCain and Alexander who will enable Obama and Reid to advance the liberty crushing agenda against Evangelical and other conservative Christians all the while professing to be Christians themselves. Heretical Christians, such as those in the UCC, PCUSA and Episcopal Church have committed spiritual fornication with satanic political leaders to destroy the God ordained rights of true liberty.

  • David

    How come most of the mass shootings were atheist and democrats but Christians are being targeted . It has to do with job security (theirs) . Even non Christians are getting tired of the crisis and tell the truth ten different ways before they would lie administration . Christians are no different than anyone else . But if we organize ,the powers to be would be gone. That’s why they are scared .

    • podunk1

      One of those powers is to force resignations of fear mongering tyrants who spread hate and false fears.- which is the case in homeland insecurity! Their message is fear your neighbor & church, not proven muslim terrorists and those who will steal our Constitution and freedom from within our government. A run-amuck federal law enforcement agency that defies legislation is truly a national threat!

      • KG

        Yea – instituted by a “small government conservative” who created the largest government agency. With Patriots like Conservatives, who needs terrorists?

        • http://www.facebook.com/CapitalistAtBirth Greg Murphy

          Who is the “small government conservative” to which you refer. The last Conservative President was Ronald Reagan. Prior to him it was Calvin Coolidge. Prior to that it was James Madison, Prior to that Thomas Jefferson. Only “TRUE” Conservatives I remember.

          • JasonL77

            Must have never heard of Andrew “I killed the banks” Jackson.

          • Vurnun-3

            He did? Lol.. No.. Not really .. He only prevented the Federal government from making one. Instead, they would later turn the banking task over to what is called the “Federal reserve” which is a private institution.

          • Tom T

            Jackson was actually a turning point in our early government. When we went from “divine providence” of the founders to the the doctrine of “manifest destiny” of federalism which lead to the civil war. Jackson was however the only President that paid off the national debt

        • Roy Clingenpeel

          KG unfortunately you are correct. George Bush (the younger) had more fear of his own people than he did of external forces and his congress (democratic; who also fears freedom of the people) played on his left leaning psychosomatic fault thus DHS. Apparently not being a student of history, he capitulated. Everyone I know was in awe that such an organized police force could be formed specifically to remove most of our constitutional freedoms. (a Gestapo in essence) During his tenure it was kept pretty much in control but I guess he wasn’t expecting to be replaced by Hitler and the full force of socialism released. We need help from our maker to rejuvenate a moral society. Humans have a history of immoral behavior destroying civilizations and governments.. We could be the next example.

          • independent thinker

            ” George Bush (the younger) had more fear of his own people than he did of external forces…”
            I believe you are wrong. It is my belief Bush was played like a fine fiddle by those on both sides who want an ever bigger more intrusive government and he put up little to no resistance.

          • KG

            It’s funny. The “liberals” were saying the same thing during Bush jr. reign. I was fully expecting to see Dick Cheny come on national television and declare that the elections were going to be suspended. And bush would remain president while the purges would start.

        • $20888627

          [comment has been edited] ou KNOW Bush jr was NOT conservative, hes neo-con, which is just a slight bit different than a Libtard, like you. Notice you never admonish Obumma for being a hypocrite, liar, murderer, idiot, panderer or outspending even Bush jr? That makes you a HYPOCRITE.

          • podunk1

            Not much left to say to the KGb, other than get into the WWII documentaries & some of the other good stuff like Lenin-Stalin, Mau, and an endless supply of unending demons & hell!

            The nappy lady seems to fit the “mold” & BO could be anything from the cotton patch to Adolf or ElDouchy – like the good hearted kleptomaniac – takes so much from everybody he doesn’t know what to do with it – so he tosses it to the pigeons who eat it up & then crap on the capital & good people who still think it means something good.
            .

        • FLORIDA LADY

          KG YOU ARE AN ANTI-AMERICAN MORON!!

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Yep, a rightist moron is speaking here!

    • Mike in MI

      David says, “Christians are no different than anyone else.”
      OH_H_H…really? What other religion you know of has been given access to utilize the power that created the heavens and the earth – – IF you BELIEVE the Bible???
      See below under “red neck”.

      God bless, Mike

    • Charlie

      David,,,
      True, per The Bible “Christians” are FAR different than even “Judeo-Christians” ,,,read Acts 2:38 very careful and maybe you will see what King Jesus “Has” done for You IF,,, you obey Him and His Men………………………

  • red neck

    With the purchase of over 1.2 billion rounds of hollow point ammunition I think that it becomes CLEAR that the 666 regime has an agenda wouldn’t you say?

    • Mike in MI

      red neck –
      You are righter than you know in identifying the Obama regime with the power of the devil, but don’t trust God enough to come right out and say what you suspect (or KNOW).
      I’ve been convinced for going on five years now that Obama is one of many who represents the One who told Eve, “You shall not surely die.” (in direct opposition to, disobedience to and spiritual warfare with God Almighty ((It’s a contest of words, ideas and minds.)). About four years ago I wrote on this site that some day Obama would be coming for your guns and your Bibles. It’s pretty certain everybody that bothered to read it thought THAT GUY’S just a stupid, Bible-thumping, bitterly-clinging idiot. Well, now the day is coming just over the horizon.YOU’RE AFRAID for your guns. But, what the Devil and his crowd REALLY want is your Bible…to destroy it and the source of knowledge about the power you can wield to overcome them. THAT”S what THEY want.
      Then they will take everything you’ve got and turn you out on the street – naked and tortured – to starve or freeze to death. “Oh…That could never happen HERE!” Well, up until now our heritage was Christian. Now it’s something else.

      (Expect some changes, america – – – “fundamental changes.”)

      God’s Word is God’s Word and He means what He says and says what He means (from beginning to end). Or, it is all a big foolish bunch of stuff and nonsense. where you stand makes a huge difference.
      You have as a Christian the ability to, AT THE LEAST, do the things Jesus Christ did (John 14:12). What were the things he did? Learn so you can do them, too. You may need to know HOW to do those things. Learn HOW. It’s a skill like any other skill. But, it’s one you do with your mind and (diligent, disciplined) mental Focus, Intention, Concentration based on specific verses and passages in God’s Word. Access to the power that created the heavens and earth. What other prophet offers that? (Just skipping prayer words off the surface of your brain won’t change anything.)

      You are going to need it if Obama takes more liberties he has already indicated he wants.

      • Charlie

        Did you become a “Christian” per Acts 2:38???

        • Mike in MI

          Charlie –

          Acts 2:38 is the summation of Peter’s whole opening of the Age of Grace preaching starting from verses. 2:14 – 15, “You men of Judea and all you that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and listen to my words: These men are not drunk as you assume, seeing it’s only 9:00 in the morning.”

          He recounted what had happened 50 days earlier to Jesus of Nazareth, how the Judeans and dwellers in Jerusalem took him, handed him to the Romans, crucified him and then God raised him from the dead.

          Peter didn’t mention Pilate and the Roman garrison. He looked those Hebrews square in the eye and blamed them for it.

          About 40 years later, they were totally ejected from Jerusalem and dispersed across the face of the planet. Exactly what God, by Moses, told them would happen if they rejected their Messiah.
          Peter told them about David’s prophecy concerning his, David’s, lord in verse 25, “I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand that I should not be moved.” Then in verse 36, “Therefore,(because of all the foregoing explanation) let all the house of Israel know ASSUREDLY, that God has made that same Jesus, whom YOU have crucified, both Lord and Christ.” Jesus didn’t make himself that. God made him that because of what he believed for and accomplished. He EARNED it.
          All of what Peter taught that Pentecost is briefly comprehended and available as it says in Romans 10:9 – 10, confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart (the depth of your mind) God has raised him from the dead. Do that and you shall (“shall” makes it absolute) be saved (Greek- “sozo”, made completely whole).
          So, yes…I did.

          How about you? Or, did you just confess your sins and get dunked? What verse, written to gentiles, directs that as worthy to obtain The Promise that Peter spoke of?

          • Charlie

            Mike in MI,,,
            Thanks for your mini Sermon,,,but you left out what the word gentiles means ? some of the less Bible smart people may not know the meanings of some simple words used in The Bible,,,Because,,,some words have more than 2 meanings,,,in that case one needs to seek The Bible definition of itself, in the contexts… Meanwhile…………………………..
            Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

  • Anonymous

    So his letter says he attended training on April 1st. And the only verification is him saying in another letter that it is true.
    Very believable that DHS would or already has done something like this, but I doubt this letter is true at all.

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Anonymous,

      You write: “…but I doubt this letter is true at all.” And I doubt you are a real person.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Wait a minute, Bob. Anonymous has a point. April 1st. is April Fool’s Day (I missed that). Are you sure you haven’t been taken in by the Onion or Borowitz? I DO love to see it when the right wing nuts embarrass themselves by treating parody as truth and getting all frothy-mouthed over it, but, as you know, I DO work hard to help you protect the intellectual integrity of PLD and would hate to see you embarrassed.

        • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Right Brain Thinker,

          You write: “Anonymous has a point.” No he doesn’t. And neither do you.

          You write: “I DO work hard to help you protect the intellectual integrity of PLD and would hate to see you embarrassed.” Your efforts in that regard are neither required nor welcomed. As I have communicated directly with Sheriff Trowbridge, I am confident in this article’s veracity as I am in all I write. Unlike you, I don’t make things up.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

          • rendarsmith

            He has a BS and MS in “Science Fields”, therefore in his mind he knows everything.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear rendarsmith,

            I believe the part about a degree in B.S.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • rocketride

            “Science Fields”. Is that anything like Sally Fields?

          • Right Brain Thinker

            You are such a child!

          • Right Brain Thinker

            rendarsmith and Bob sound like Jana and Vicki here with their inane and “supportive” little comments to each other. The Voodoo girls would approve.

            And I hate to disagree with you, Bob, but Anon and I both DO have points. Just because you don’t like them doesn’t mean they don’t exist. And make things up? I make NOTHING up. My posts are either straight-out factual or well-informed and supportable opinions based on analysis of facts. No “credible rumors” coming from me.

            rendar is still showing his prejudice against education, educators, and educated people. Sorry, rendar, but being educated DOES mean something—–it means that those who are better educated in some areas know more about those things than those who are ignorant—-your rejection of my expertise in science is childish and counterproductive.

          • rocketride

            “I make NOTHING up.” No, you just gather the “best” of what others have made up.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Hey, rocketride is back! He ran from the room and hid from us on the recent thread about global warming, but here he is again trying to again prove what a “know nothing” he is. I don’t use anything that is “made up” in my comments, rocket. My data is factual, my analysis is rational, and my opinions are supportable.

            Now that you’re back, how about talking to us about the “Youtube Arctic Sea Ice Death Spiral” video that i challenged you to google. It’s only two minutes long and most high school kids would understand it. Show us what you’ve got by talking to us about what it says.

          • WTS/JAY

            Well said, rocketride!

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Right Brain Thinker,

            You write: “Bob, but Anon and I both DO have points.” Again, no you don’t. As I have communicated directly with the sheriff himself, and have in possession copies of the original signed documents, there is no doubt to their veracity. As I have stated before, I don’t make things up. You, however…

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Yes we do, Bob, and your failure to recognize that is unbecoming. Exactly what “documents” are you referring to, Bob. The actual letter from Trowbridge? Big whoop!

            How does his allegation that a CSP trainer said some things during a training session justify saying the DHS (in the headline, no less) and O’Bama are doing what has been alleged?

            Have you got some “signed documents” that show anything else?—-or are you overreaching badly here?

          • WTS/JAY

            Mr. Livingston, you should know by now that RBT will reject, outright, anything that doesn’t fit into his tiny-little-paridigm…don’t waste your time with the “fool on the hill”!

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Go away, JAY—–go do your omanuel imitation. You are the one who wastes our time with inanities such as this comment.

          • vicki

            Right Brain Thinker writes
            “rendarsmith and Bob sound like Jana and Vicki here with their inane and “supportive” little comments to each other. The Voodoo girls would approve.”

            Multiple ad hominem.

            RBT: “And I hate to disagree with you, Bob, but Anon and I both DO have points.”

            Obviously you do not or you would not spend so much time writing ad hominem.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Go away, Vicki. Go stick pins in “liberal-progressive”dolls with the rest of the Voodoo girls. Or chant ~300 MILLION AMERICANS or something else as inane.

            The amount of “ad hominem” I write is minuscule compared to the amount that people direct towards me. In fact, for most of them (including you), that’s all they’ve got, since they don’t seem to be able to counter any arguments that I make.

            Now that you’ve distracted us with inanities, Vicki, do you think you could focus on something of substance and make an intelligent comment? Like address this question?

            “How does the allegation that a CSP trainer said some things during a training session justify saying the DHS (in the headline, no less) and O’Bama are doing what has been alleged?”

          • vicki

            Right brain thinker doesn’t and writes:
            “Go away, Vicki. Go stick pins in “liberal-progressive”dolls with the
            rest of the Voodoo girls. Or chant ~300 MILLION AMERICANS or
            something else as inane.”

            Oh look more ad hominem. How cute.

            And thanks for reminding folk that in the last year

            ~300 MILLION Americans didn’t SHOOT anyone at all.

            Stop punishing the INNOCENT for the acts of a very few.

            Stop it

            Stop it NOW

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Vicki, do you think you could focus on something of substance and make an intelligent comment? Like address this question?

            “How does the allegation that a CSP trainer said some things during a training session justify saying the DHS (in the headline, no less) and O’Bama are doing what has been alleged?”

          • vicki

            Right Brain Thinker doesn’t and says:
            “Vicki, do you think you could focus on something of substance and make an intelligent comment?”

            Yet more ad hominem. Probably explains why RBT never makes a sustainable point.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Vicki, do you think you could focus on something of substance and make an intelligent comment? Like address this question?

            “How does the allegation that a CSP trainer said some things during a training session justify saying the DHS (in the headline, no less) and O’Bama are doing what has been alleged?”

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Duh!, says Charlie.

      • rocketride

        I doubt that RBT is a real person, too.

        • Right Brain Thinker

          I’m real all right, a better question might be to ask yourself why you are such an ignorant child.

  • hungry4food

    Its all about the Liberal Mindset of PEAK EARTH and that these Ideologues think they need to control people and their every move now to stop population growth and curb the rate of Consumption to Save earths ECO System from the Destructive Rate of a overpopulated Planet that is Rapping the Resources of EARTH under a Consumer demand driven Market System called Capitalism . This is why they show hate towards the Capital system . But This whole Ideology is a LIE its the exact Opposite Capitalism is creating the sustainable Societies in the world that use this economic system !!!!!!!!!!!

    • KG

      Don’t worry. Your faith is in Christ? Right? So when the “rapture” happens He’s going to “fly away, oh Glory!”
      How far were the apostles from some good ganja?

      • Charlie

        KG,,,
        Another Bible dummie statement,,, No Scripture,,,see the so called “Rapture” at 1 Thessalonians 4:14–18,,,and the reason for it at 2 Peter 3:10–13…. Meanwhile…………………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        • Right Brain Thinker

          “bible dummie”? What would Jesus say about someone who is so prideful? What would Mathew say about “judging”? Hypocrite.

          “We have met the enemy, and he comes overly full of pride and thumping a bible” Pogo (paraphrased)

          • WTS/JAY

            The only thing you should worry about, RBT, is; “what would Jesus say about someone like you”…?; a question left-wing loonies always cast at others but never at themselves; naturally, since they regard themselves superior to everyone, including God.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Is it afternoon Martini time, JAY? I don’t know any “left-wing loonies”, but I WILL dispute what you say about them—-you’re just doing some of that “ad hominem” horsepucky slinging at them that you seem to enjoy so much, in spite of the fact that it may lead you to “eternal damnation”. Am I right, Charlie and all you bible thumpers? Won’t JAY’s continued and willful telling of lies cause him to be cast into the pit? Or will it just make his nose grow longer? I get so confused sometimes—hard to keep all the fairy tales straight.

          • WTS/JAY

            RBT: Is it afternoon Martini time, JAY?
            Projecting?

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    • Win

      Greed has no barriers, companies care more about their bottom line over people or the planet. Time for real change, prosecute and illuminate companies that kill the earth for a buck. Too much of the crap that is produced world wide is not needed.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Are you under the influence, hungry? You sound like the guy mumbling into his beer at the end of the bar just before closing time.

      • hungry4food

        thats all you got RBT common man you can do better than that …. bring it !!!!!!

        • Right Brain Thinker

          Actually, hungry, there are some things buried in your mumblings that I can agree with a bit, and others that I could discuss with you at length. [comment has been edited]

          • Right Brain Thinker

            what was (edited) said in effect that I would do so if you could “focus” rather than “mumble” (is that OK, moderator?)

    • WTS/JAY

      Global Warming as Religion and not Science

      Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
      Blaise Pascal

      It was Michael Crichton who first prominently identified environmentalism as a religion. That was in a speech in 2003, but the world has moved on apace since then and adherents of the creed now have a firm grip on the world at large.

      Global Warming has become the core belief in a new eco-theology. The term is used as shorthand for anthropogenic (or man made) global warming. It is closely related to other modern belief systems, such as political correctness, chemophobia and various other forms of scaremongering, but it represents the vanguard in the assault on scientific man.

      The activists now prefer to call it “climate change”. This gives them two advantages:

      It allows them to seize as “evidence” the inevitable occurrences of unusually cold weather as well as warm ones.

      The climate is always changing, so they must be right.

      Only the relatively elderly can remember the cynical haste with which the scaremongers dropped the “coming ice age” and embraced exactly the opposite prediction, but aimed at the same culprit – industry. This was in Britain, which was the cradle of the new belief and was a response to the derision resulting from the searing summer of 1976. The father of the new religion was Sir Crispin Tickell, and because he had the ear of Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher, who was engaged in a battle with the coal miners and the oil sheiks, it was introduced into international politics with the authority of the only major political leader holding a qualification in science. The introduction was timely yet ironic since, in the wake of the world’s political upheavals, a powerful new grouping of left-wing interests was coalescing around environmental issues. The result was a new form of godless religion. The global warming cult has the characteristics of religion and not science for the following reasons.

      continued: http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/religion.htm

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Lord love a duck, JAY? Are you that desperate that you have to go back to posting a clip from a wing nut site from 2007? And Crichton in 2003? (who has no credentials as a climatologist—-he’s a FICTION writer)

        Her’s some news for you, JAY. Much has happened since 2007—that was SIX years ago—-a record bad weather year in 2012, the Arctic Sea Ice Death Spiral, wildfires and drought, just to mention a few.

        The only “religion” involved is the worship of money, and that’s what the AGW deniers and their supporters (the plutocrats and fossil fuel interests) are pushing. You are a waste of their money if you can’t do any better than this piece of horsepucky.

        • WTS/JAY

          Hey RBT, putting in some over-time i see…lol!

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Actually, no, not compared to you, JAY. You have thrown so much horsepucky against the wall today! Too bad it won’t stick. LOL yourself!

            I’ve been out mowing the lawn and cleaning up fallen branches from the trees, etc., and it’s nearly 90 degrees out there. We had a record set the other day at Washington National Airport —91—old record was from 1922. .

            At any rate, I’m an old guy and not yet acclimatized to July weather in April, so I’ve been taking a lot of breaks, coming inside to cool off in the AC, and checking the stupidity on PLD and replying to it when I do. As the year wears on, I will become acclimatized to the heat and won’t have to take such breaks.

            Don’t know where you’re located (you are such a “secret agent”), but AGW is impacting us big time here on the East Coast. 2013 may be a very bad year—-the hurricane forecast already looks grim.

            PS Did you know that there were something like 15,000 record highs set in the U.S.; in 2012? And only about 3,000 record lows?

          • vicki

            Right Brain Thinker doesn’t and says:
            “Actually,no, not compared to you, JAY. You have thrown so much horsepucky against the wall today! Too bad it won’t stick. LOL yourself!”

            Oh look. More ad hominem. How cute.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Actually, Vicki, what you quoted hardly qualifies as an “ad hominem”, certainly not in the “World of JAY”—-did you not notice our exchange of “lol”‘s—-we were kidding each other (even though I was speaking truth about the horsepucky—JAY understands, even though you apparently don’t.

            And YOU are the “Queen of Cute” on PLD, Vicki. You and your maids in waiting Steph, Jana, Alondra, and the ever-bitter Nadzi. I wouldn’t even think of competing with you.

          • vicki

            Right brain thinker doesn’t and says:
            “And YOU are the “Queen of Cute” on PLD, Vicki. You and your maids in waiting Steph, Jana, Alondra, and the ever-bitter Nadzi. I wouldn’t even think of competing with you.”

            Oh look, even more ad hominem. The cute just keeps on rolling.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            And it will continue, Vicki. If I find the time I will show you “cute”, as I have done before with such things as your “sentence lesson”—-remember that?. And that’s not an “ad hominem”, just a truthful statement of what those who mess with the bull of truth will feel—the horns.

          • vicki

            promises promises

          • Right Brain Thinker

            OOOPS—-I got to thinking and said to myself “those figures I gave on records are not quite right”. So I looked it up and the real figures are 30,854 record highs and 5871 record lows for the lower 48 in 2012.

            That’s a ratio of 5-1/4 new record highs for every 1 record low. The figures I gave were in an exact 5 to 1 ratio. Either way, that’s a big change from 2010 and 2011, when the ratio was around 3 to 1, and 2009, when the ratio was very nearly 1 to 1 (almost as many new lows set as new highs).

            AGW is here, JAY, and “weather modification” and “religion” have nothing to do with it

          • WTS/JAY

            Don’t tell me, youtube? Riiiiiight…

        • WTS/JAY

          IS WEATHER MODIFICATION BEING USED FOR WEATHER WAR?

          WEATHER MODIFICATION – WEATHER WAR?

          What has been seen worldwide in the last decades is a tremendous increase in severe, damaging and massively abnormal weather. This recent increase in massive abnormal weather is occurring after environmental research and experimentation has been done that includes the capabilities to create this severe and abnormal weather. It appears that the severe weather might be the result of weather assault through means of weather modification being practiced by some nations against other nations.

          What has been seen the last number of years in the United States is an increase in severe weather including drought, floods and hurricanes. Foreign countries have been increasingly involved in the technical research and experimentation that is associated with weather modification in the United States. These same countries have increased their economic investment in, and purchase of land and assets in areas of the United States that have been devastated by drought, floods and hurricanes. This same pattern has been seen in other nations.

          The hurricane seasons for the last number of years have been particularly devastating for the United States. This follows a period of years in which the number of hurricanes, their severity and their affect on land and people increased starting in 1995.

          This severity increased after the implementation of two different measures and technological advancements that greatly increased the information about the topography and coastal areas of the United States and greatly increased technological capabilities to gather information, monitor, and remote sensor information about hurricanes.

          http://www.weathermodification-weatherwar.com/

          • WTS/JAY

            UN Weather Weapons Treaty.

            UNGA RES. 31/72, TIAS 9614CONVENTION ON THE PROHIBITION OF MILITARY OR ANY OTHER HOSTILE USE OFENVIRONMENTAL MODIFICATION TECHNIQUES Adopted by Resolution 31/72 of the United Nations General Assembly on 10 December 1976.

            The Convention was opened for signature at Geneva on 18 May 1977.TEXT PUBLISHED IN: United Nations General Assembly Resolution 31/72, Annex; seeOfficial Records of the General Assembly, Thirty-first Session, Supplement No. 39 (A/31/39),pp. 37-38.

            International Legal Materials, Vol. XVI, No. 1, January 1977, pp. 88-94 (Engl.);World Armaments and Disarmament, SIPRI Yearbook 1978, London 1978, pp. 392-397(Engl.); Shindler & Toman, eds., “The Laws of Armed Conflicts.

            Document here:
            http://www.scribd.com/doc/3436120/UN-1976-Weather-Weapon-Treaty

  • jdn

    In life there are many famous quotes attributed to the average man . My favorite is ” Watch this ” then comes ” Look no hands ” but the most tragic is ” How could this happen ” .

  • Native Blood

    A lot of concerns on both sides of this issue. Persecution will emerge to us in all forms. Be prepared for it all and in all forms. It is part of a prophecy that will be a part of our daily lives and may eventually shorten many lives as a result of not disavowing your beliefs. What was once a part of our culture will soon be scorned by many as outdated and traditions viewed as offensive and dangerous.

    • vicki

      “will soon be scorned by many”

      Soon? I think that ship sailed back in the late 20th century. What is coming soon is the Persecution.

  • Guest

    Treasonous pigs! Are they going to take my Bible away next or start a christian registration program!??

    • Charlie

      Tooo late , I registered with King Jesus Christ, long time ago, and He said at Luke 22:36 to take a weapon along… That’s a “Order” from King Jesus Christ… SO???what Authority of Law do the Treasonous pigs have that is “Superior”” to King Jesus Christ ??? Meanwhile…………………………………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

  • A65421triman

    it blows my mind that more than 50 % of population voted for the king obama .it blows my mind why us country folks have to be ruled by all the fools who live in the big cities.if you take out the large city populations voting for the racist king that ruining our country would not be in power.i have never seen a president so willing to destroy a beautiful country with his racist and socialistic views followed by a bunch of fools incapable of researching why they would even voting for his positions.i go out in public and crap on obama and no one will admit voting for him or wont even defend his positions. so how and hell did he become our president.i am so sick of the mentally ill people running our country. yes, i am talking about our elected officials.

    • KG

      uh… who voted for those officials? WE DID.

      • WTS/JAY

        No one did…they voted themselves in!

    • rocketride

      It’s not 50% of the population who voted for him, merely more than 50% of those who could be bothered to vote who voted for him. And even that doesn’t take into account the massive voter fraud.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Here’s rocket again, spewing nonsense. Tell us about that “massive voter fraud”, rocket. The only cases I remember reading about were Republicans.

        • vicki

          Here’s RBT spewing ad hominem.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Here’s Vicki, saying nothing much.

            ~315 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SAY “NOTHING MUCH” ON PLD TODAY

            STOP DOING IT, VICKI

            STOP WASTING OUR TIME
            STOP IT
            STOP IT NOW

          • vicki

            And here’s RBT helping defend your right to keep and bear arms (Thanks RBT) by reminding you that in the last year:

            ~300 Million Americans did not SHOOT anyone at all.

            and that you need to tell your representatives to

            Stop spying on you.

            Stop punishing you for the acts of a VERY few.

            Stop it
            Stop it NOW.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            ~90% (that’s ~ 280+ MILLION) Americans are in favor of “common sense” gun regulations like better background checks. That WILL pass in spite of the ranting and raving from shills like Vicki.
            STOP OBFUSCATING, VICKI
            STOP IT NOW.

          • vicki

            We don’t live in a democracy where a tyranny of the majority can do what it wants. Part of the point of the Bill of Rights is to specifically DENY us from giving certain powers to the government even if all ~315 million of us wanted to.

            Now since you claim that ~280 million Americans are in favor of something you call “common sense” how about they get together and amend the Constitution to have the 2nd include an exception where the government can do background checks on the exercise of a God given right.

            See how well that works for you.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Nice try, Vicki, but no court decision has ever said the 2nd. Amendment is absolute and completely immune from any regulation. Read your court decisions and you will find that even the most conservative Justices recognize that.

            And I’m sad to see that you have joined the “overblown rhetoric contingent” with something as outrageous as “background checks on the exercise of a God given right”. “God given right”? To possess guns with NO regulation or control at all?

            It’s bed time so I won’t take to to task for that tonight. Since you and JAY are working the night shift, why don’t the two of you come up with some proof of that statement?

          • vicki

            Right Brain Thinker doesn’t and writes:

            “God given right”? To possess guns with NO regulation or control at all?”

            That is the meaning of “…shall NOT be infringed”. Of course Clinton may have confused liberals by claiming that it depends on what the definition of “is” is. “Is” being the present tense of the verb “to be” or “be”.

            What shall not be infringed? Keeping (possessing) and bearing (carrying) of arms.
            http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/unabridged.2nd.html

            Misusing these tools IS something that can be regulated. And we have. It is illegal to murder someone regardless of the tool used. It is illegal to steal from someone regardless of the tool used or the presence of the victim. And so on.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Sorry, Vicki, but THERE IS NO GOD-GIVEN RIGHT to anything in the Constitution or the 2nd Amendment and you are really deluded if you think “infringed” can in any way be interpreted that way. You will lose what little credibility you have if you insist on repeating such lies.

          • vicki

            My Creator gave me the Right. I’m sorry yours did not do as well by you.

          • WTS/JAY

            That’s .9%, RBT, not 90%.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            [comment has been edited] I exaggerated only a bit—-it’s something like 86%, which rounds up.

          • WTS/JAY

            Poles? Is that the same as votes? LOL!

          • rocketride

            Wind him up and watch him go. He’s kind of entertaining in a car-wreck-at-the-Indy-500 kind of way. (Or, dare I say it, a nut-shot video kind of way.) Or maybe he’s been taking his shots at the pointy end and that’s why the old left brain doesn’t work. One wonders why he takes it so personally and gets so worked up that people disagree with his unarguable opinions. It escapes him that, as a possessor of received and undisputable Truth he’s pretty much in the same position as all of those prophets of old he denigrates.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Some bigger words and better sentences, rocket, but still juvenile and saying nothing. You have shown us that your only real talent is being a pest. I don’t even get “worked up” with people many times smarter than you—JAY and Vicki, for instance, so don’t flatter yourself—-you’re like a puppy dog nipping a people’s heels (except puppies are cute, you’re not). Next time.

        • WTS/JAY

          RBT: The only cases I remember reading about were Republicans.

          Selective memory.

      • WTS/JAY

        It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. -Joseph Stalin

        • rocketride

          Exactly.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001847777290 George S. Zink

    you know folks, reading all this anti christian bull is a reminder to 1969 when i arrived back in the good ol USA. in a full body cast . the human body was never ment to take that kind of butchering, but i survived thanks to valley forge army hospital and great dr.s . and I HAVE TO THANK ALL THE GREAT ARMY NURCES>that went threw hell working on our blown up bodies, now what does this have to do with the articals written here. to all of you who agree with the communist that are trying to take over our country, then i as just 1 retired soldier, can only PRAY that obama and his muslim communist cohorts can and should be impeached and sent where all good communist show go. that is to hell where they belong. IF I HAD KNOWN IN !(^^ THATI WOULD GO TO WAR FOR A PEOPLE WHO WANT NOTHING MORE THEN TO DISTORY EVERYTHING OUR FORFATHERS FOUGHT FOR , just to be taken away by an enemy from within

    • momo

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    • Ted Crawford

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    • Capt. Hook

      Thanks for your service and may God the Father and The Lord Jesus Christ bless you George, you are a great American. Lets just pray for the return of Jesus soon so we who really love America do not have to see these communist take over. The word of God is the only real truth.

  • metroman

    Yes Gary Baker hit the nail on the head! That is the very issue that caught my eye. So he wants it both ways. You know get a paycheck, pension and oh yes he gets to carry a gun or two. Get analysis Gary.

  • K man

    Funny, even this posting seams one sided. I can vote up but can not vote down with out signing in to the site. RBT is just another troll working for the gov, I wonder if he is at work in Washington taking my hard earned tax dollars as he is writing this Kool-Aid he wants us to all drink. I am not thirsty! Thank you and I am very capable of thinking for my self. I have opposable thumbs just like you. I am also at the top of the food chain and not your lap dog. Please remember that when you try to talk down to people.
    The truth will set you free!

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Actually, K man, I am a long retired educator and I’m working only to help the ignorant find truth. Folks like you who say “I am very capable of thinking for my self” as they belch loudly from all the right wing Kool Aid they have imbibed. You say you are at the top of the food chain and not a lap dog? You must be one of the 1% then. I agree that the truth will set us free—-why don’t YOU stop “talking down” and bloviating (as you did here) and join me in searching for it?

      • Charlie

        Half Wit,,,
        Not a bad comment from you and K man,,,BUT,,,NO Scriptures ,,,which is that Truth you claim to be looking for… Check out John 8:32,,,but first, jump back to John 3:5 , 3:16,,,3:22,23… Meanwhile………………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        • Right Brain Thinker

          There you go again, calling me “half wit” and claiming to be a “christian”. You’re a hypocrite, Charlie, and your “scriptures” may have some good “lessons” but there is no “truth” in them that can’t be found in many other pieces of literature.

          • WTS/JAY

            Why do you call Charlie a hypocrite for calling you that which you are? If you were otherwise, i’m sure Charlie would acknowledge.

          • Right Brain Thinker

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      • WTS/JAY

        RBT: Actually, K man, I am a long retired educator and I’m now working for Obama as one of his cyber-bots for minimum-wage to make ends meet; and while i’m at it, spread a little BS…

  • Joseph Brown

    Well who else is a problem to a tyrannical government?

  • Paul

    I remember reading a part of the Bible that states Christians will be severely persecuted during the end times. I could not accept it at the time and thought it would never happen in our nation. Was I ever so wrong! It is obvious and clear the persecution has started.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001847777290 George S. Zink

    kg and others, from what world are you from? goingpostel. was a term put out by a bunch of jacks, that have HATED VIET NAM VETS ALL THESE YEARS. why , what is your problem with the christians of the world? if you think that we are just waiting for the excuse to do harm to others ,YOU SIR DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE WORD CHRISTIAN MEANS< WE have given our time , money and everything we can to helpothers, what has your muslim communist president done for mankind other than get american christians killed in HIS WAR thats not got anything to do for our country or the afgans. bring our men and women HEROS HOME. then bomb the hell out of those who hate all others who arent muslims.

  • Bernie

    In the last days Jesus said this would happen. Be not dismayed, the Gov’t is Not our friend. Obama does Not tell the truth nor does the majority of Politicians. As Christians we are easy prey with any and everyone who wants to target us. We need to love our enemies into the kingdom wherever possible, where not possible be wise as foxes…

    • Charlie

      Bernie,,,
      Did you become a Christian per Acts 2:38???

  • DalasKnight

    I have a label for DHS and LEO’s…….Gestapo!!

  • JaredQ

    Abolish the DHS! Long live the Constitution!

  • http://www.facebook.com/reece1007 Reece Street

    Attention all, Christians, Gun owners, those that honor and believe in the Constitution, Convervatives, Libertarians, or whatever you claim to be. It is time to take some action before obama does, we must hound our Senators and Representatives until they eject obama and his minorn from the White House and the halls of Congress. They surely must see what is happening to America, and if they are really true to America, they must be compelled to take action against this regime, from the the White House, Congress, Senate, DHS and anyother agency that does not support the Constitution. This must be done now. Some of you will call me a nut, that`s alright with me, it had better be alright with you when the SHTF.

  • WTS/JAY

    I think increasing surveillance on Christians and Constitutionalists is an excellent idea…it’ll provide DHS with an excellent opportunity to study what true Americans look like!

  • Pissed off and liberal

    And yet if they started monitering Marxists,Anarchists,LGBT activists, etc i can’t help but get the feeling most of you would CHEER that.

  • TheSilverRanger

    As Han Solo once said, “I have a bad feeling about this.” Is it soon going to be a crime to believe whatever we want to believe? No one deserves to be treated like this. If it is a crime to be Christian, then this is not the country I live in. I have spoken out against religion many a time, and even deem myself to be an agnostic. But we have freedom of religion in this country for a reason. And I’ll be damned if the right to worship as a Christian is taken away from the people. To all the Christians and the Ron Trowbridges of the nation, you have my support.

  • mark

    Dear Bob Livingston,

    What about calling the duly-elected Obama adminstration: “The Marxist Obama regime” as you do? Does this meet your qualification of “Demonizing and ultimately dehumanizing the “enemy” as a tried and true propaganda tactic? Seems like this is just another example of hypocrisy. Of the pot calling the kettle black. To paraphrase Jesus: before you criticize the speck in your neighbor’s eye, take the block of wood out of your own.

    Regards, mark

    • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear mark,

      You write: “What about calling the duly-elected Obama adminstration: ‘The Marxist
      Obama regime’ as you do? Does this meet your qualification of ‘Demonizing and ultimately dehumanizing the ‘enemy’ as a tried and true
      propaganda tactic?” This is a descriptor of his tactics and policies and therefore not a label.

      You write; “To paraphrase Jesus: before you criticize the speck in your neighbor’s eye, take the block of wood out of your own.” If you’re going to try and paraphrase Jesus I suggest you first consult the Scripture so you can understand context. In this context your paraphrase is inaccurate. Nice try though.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • http://www.facebook.com/ferdie.knapp Ferdie Knapp

    I keep hearing this crap about DHS this and that…I dont get it, were are these people ? I don’t see them in my life anywhere unless your talking about the tree police around here. I think people want to act tough,but not to many are willng to die to get their point across. Unless their getting paid for it and the dissision is not theirs to make. Obama’s biggest mistake is that he is missing the chance to save his black brothers from this stupid war on drugs!!! Maybe its because he is not an american,was’nt born here!! Just sign an order that ends prohibition and get the people out that that should not be there.Oh”I forgot how many prisons will that close. I guess all the guards and extra police would have to find real jobs;
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  • Oliver_K_Manuel

    World governments cannot lead society and face this harsh reality:

    _ a.) A growing world population
    _ b.) Increasing demand for energy per person
    _ c.) Science advisors trained to deceive for sixty-seven years, . . .

    After world leaders joined together under the United Nations in 1945 to hide information about the source of energy [1,2] that destroyed Hiroshima and to subjugate humans to prevent them from destroying the earth with forbidden knowledge.

    http://orach24463.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/fear-and-loathing-of-humans-the-pathology-behind-the-climate-change-movement/

    With deep regrets,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo
    http://www.omatumr.com

    1. “Neutron repulsion,” The Apeiron Journal 19, 123-150 (2012) http://tinyurl.com/7t5ojrn

    2.“Is the Sun a pulsar?” Nature 270, 159-160 (1977)
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v270/n5633/abs/270159a0.html

    • Right Brain Thinker

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      • WTS/JAY

        Hate to wake you from your slumber, RBT, but you do not have the “ears” of the people.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Why removed? Does our resident science crackpot really post under three different handles? omanuel, Oliver K. Manuel, and Oliver Manuel?

        His first dozen or two postings were all under the first handle, and we have seen a shift just recently. Is O-whoever getting more senile or are people taking advantage of him and posting under his handle?

        I ask again why JAY is getting such “assistance”? Could it be that the “Shills’n’Trolls’r’Us” shop is located in a certain “gracious host’s” basement?

        • vietnamvet1971

          LOUD Mouth, Clatter, Clatter, Balderdash, Balderdash. Hot Air, Hot Air.

          • Right Brain Thinker

            Mindless comment, vnv71. Sounds like you don’t like me because I say things you don’t agree with. Why don’t you try to tell us why or try to counter my arguments? Any 10 year old can call people names. You have a lot of air saying “hot air” to anyone when that’s all YOU are.

  • steve buckner

    Obummer and all those that are with him are living in that fantasy world known as, hope it all changes so that I (Obummer) is looked upon as the true God and what he says & does goes. You know nanny America. If the knothead wants to have a Utopia then I have some prime realestate just off Washington about 200 mies and at about 1.5 miles down that he can have, for 16.9 million his debt to the American people. If him and all those that believe in him – go there and leave this nation alone.

  • csaaphill

    Well let them Moon the SOB’s. DHS need disbanded Now!!!!!!!!!!

  • csaaphill

    I’m sorry but tyrannts need taken down by any means possible. Being sheep is how we got here in the first place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/southpawrightie Gary Waytotheright Hoskins

    This should tell everyone just how anti American that Obama ,his administration and appointees to government agencies now are but it will not. When people,the left and the entitlement sheep cannot see past party line or skin color to see the tyranny in this President and administration,you know America is about to crumble.

  • Brinkman

    Obommer is the scum of the earth

  • Charles

    These stupid idiots got that list from the Southern Poverty Law Center! Need I say more!?

    • rocketride

      You mean the southern Mental Poverty Law Center? Anything they flog is pure BS.

  • mrsgunnut10

    Wow, From reading what Officer Joe Kluczynski was teaching and finding out they were (some of them) his own thoughts makes me wonder – Just who is the real enemy ?? It sure isn’t the common American Citizens or the Believers in the Bible. From what I read and the implications I received, from his Class, the entire United States Government, starting with the Obama White House on down, is ” THE ENEMY ” period. I believe in the Bible and the lower echelons of Law Enforcement ( County and City ) and most of the State Patrol Officers, starting at the bottom of the scale and go up. From what the Homeland Security called “Right Wing Extremists”, I guess I are one. Legal Gun Owner, Bible believer, Vietnam Veteran, Retired Military (20 Yrs, 1 Mo, & 14 Days of Active Duty Time) Veteran, all in the United States Army AND United States Air Force and oh yeah – I damn well won’t “turn the other cheek”. All of the above makes me proud to have them call me a “Right Wing Extremist” . Thank you for your time Brothers AND Sisters, I also know a lot more “Right Wing Extremist” that are loose here in South East Missouri. TSgt., USAF Retired.

  • JCfromDC

    “To learn who rules over you, first find out those whom you are not allowed to criticize.” ~ Voltaire

  • JCfromDC

    All we have to do is show stats on how many U.S. or European “Christians” and “sovereign citizens” have conducted kidnappings, hijackings, or set off suicide bombs in public aircraft, shopping malls, discos, schools and elsewhere and compare them with the number those of the “religion of peace” (and I’m not talking a Timothy McVeigh here, a lunatic if ever was). Then, we just MAY see a pattern evolving? So much for profiling infants and old ladies at airports and traffic “security stops.” The “real criminals” are the scum that “WE the People” keep stupidly electing every cycle, because “that’s how our parents voted”. An old friend who works for the Congressional Sergeant-of-Arms’ Office in DC once told me that if ANYONE heard half the conversations on Capitol Hill regarding the citizens of this country, we would ALL be demanding their heads… of BOTH houses of Congress.

  • okieflash

    What happen to separation of church and state? The DHS should be dismantled, they are only spreading hate and discontent for the Marxist regime….freedom of speech is going away as our gun rights….we are on our own when the roof comes crashing in on us.

  • jimwilson81

    The DHS needs to disband since they are targeting American citizens.

  • mrsgunnut10

    I know I sent in a comment this morning. What did you do with it WND Moderators??????????

  • slickwillyp1

    The law of the land is ” FREEDOM “

  • slickwillyp1

    The anti-Christ is the self appointed apostle

  • CJM2

    The strategy of the ovomit administration is rather clear: he and his felons are doing all they can to wear the citizens down so that they will capitulate when the grand take-over occurs. By doing this, he will become the dictator he craves to be without much resistance from the people, which sounds something like other “revolutions” that turned a relatively free country into an enslaved one. However, I think he may be short-changing the free citizens of this great nation—and his resistance will be much more than he bargained for.

  • Oliver_K_Manuel

    The demise of Western civilization, the current conflict with Iran and North Korea, and the global climate scandal are the direct result of this:

    In 1945 frightened world leaders formed the United Nations and collectively tried to hide the Destroyer of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Inadvertently, they ended up losing their ability to promote the general welfare of society: http://tgrule.com/2013/04/08/hunger-campaigns-to-kill-the-poor/#comment-10866

    With deep regrets,
    - Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

    • MyronJPoltroonian

      I worked on the Apollo Project at North American Space and Information Division, in Downey, California, in the mid-’60’s. We were always on the lookout for imbedded Communist infiltrators, especially ones who were seemingly always ready to “Blame America First”, Comrade Manuel. How in the Hell did we miss you?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        FYI, IMO, the first sentence of this comment is from someone else who has usurped “Comrade Manuel’s” handle.

        “The demise of Western civilization, the current conflict with Iran and
        North Korea, and the global climate scandal are the direct result of
        this”

        From “In 1945…” onward, the words do appear to be his, lifted from his earlier comments.

  • Lucky3511

    Drive the Muslims out of America, starting with the one in the whitehouse

  • Douglas W. Rodrigues

    What the DHS is saying is, “Those who may resist the change to a Marxist Socialistic society should be watched.” Looks like Nikita Krusheve was correct when he said, “We won’t have to go to war with you, we will overcome you from within.”

  • Jamie Roberts

    My fellow American’s. I wish I could say that all will turn out for the good in the end, concerning our rights and freedoms. But this. I cannot say. The wheels are in motion for the fulfilling of God’s word. Jesus said ” Let not your hearts be troubled, for these things must happen.” Look NOT for an Earthly savior with carnal eyes, but look for the heavenly one, with spiritual eyes and hearts. Stay close to your loved ones, get things in order and when the time comes. You will have a decision to make. To bow before the Prince of this world or to bare the cross of condemnation from man and bow before the King of Kings, after.. “He that seeks to save his life, shall lose it and he that gives up his life for Jesus’s name sake shall gain his life, everlasting.” I love my country, I love my my brothers and sisters in the red, white and blue. I’ve made mistakes, I try to be a good citizen and enjoy the freedoms that was granted me, by the blood of many GREAT American’s, who paid the highest cost for freedom. I honor them with every day of life and with every breath of freedom that I have been given. Honor, praise and glory to Jesus Christ, who has already paid the price of our sin. TRUE victory has already been won by him. All you have to do is believe…. God bless and may God strengthen your hearts and minds in these troubling times…

  • Ken Osborn

    We have to draw the line and we have to do it now. Something is out of whack here and it’s up to We The People to correct it! They work for us and there are a hell of a lot more of us than them (one reason for their gun grab). What I want to know is who is getting to these wackO law enforcement officials? We have a Mus slime in OUR White House that needs to be IMPEACHED either peacefully or by the grace of God using OUR 2nd Amendment Rights. It is now ‘We The People’ against them…
    Never Lay Down Your Sword!!!

  • Ken Osborn

    Where is my comment?

  • Manna

    OMG is all I have to say. This is scary. Yes, we have to take our country back.

  • LibRep

    Seems to me that every politician and every military member that took an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution are potential terrorists themselves. This ought to be fun.

  • Glen Welch

    Prowers County is where I was born and raised. Sheriff Faull is well known and highly respected there. The comments that he and Undersheriff Trowbridge raise are obviously of concern since they are increasingly validated by the news headlines. For the past eleven years, since my retirement from the U.S. Army, I have been purchasing for the federal government. Based on that experience and training, I can tell you that purchasing such a high volume of ammunition that cannot be used in foreign wars (hollowpoint) and has no target practice value, nor used for normal, near-term operations of civilian agencies certainly suggests something is in the wind. If we are targeted as the enemy for believing in the Bible or opposing the policies of our government, then we probably need to focus our actions on the tenets of the Bible, of the Constitution, and on determining what our strategy should be. I believe neither the Republicans nor the Democrats offer a solution, both being opposite sides of the same coin. Other parties, at present, seem to offer little chance of succeeding in elections but do offer the opportunity to stand for important values. The Conservative Party (my choice) is one such party. Whichever values one embraces, we need to be prepared for the coming storm. God willing, we believers will be raptured and avoid the coming storm. However, make no mistake, a storm is coming.

  • Mesquite

    That’s funny….a lot of us LEOs are Constitutionalists.