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Despite Warnings, Florida Pastor Determined To Go Ahead With Koran Burning

September 9, 2010 by  

Despite warnings, Florida pastor determined to go ahead with Koran burning The plan to burn copies of the Koran has attracted criticism from global political and religious leaders, but this does not seem likely to stop pastor Terry Jones from going ahead with the project on the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Top military leaders from the United States and around the world are among the most recent opponents of the Gainesville pastor’s plans.

The commander of the coalition troops in Afghanistan, General David Petraeus, warned that the burning of Islam’s holy books "could cause significant problems" for the men and women serving in that country and around the world. He added that it could jeopardize the American effort in Afghanistan, which is still a fragile state plagued by sectarian violence fueled by opium trade.

Petraeus’ comments were echoed by NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who said the action could be detrimental to the North Atlantic alliance’s troops serving in Afghanistan.

"I think it’s a disrespectful action and [I] urge people to respect other people’s faith and behave respectfully," Rasmussen added, quoted by TheHill.com.

"I think such actions are in a strong contradiction of all the values we stand for and fight for," he concluded.

Meanwhile, Jones said he was "weighing the situation," but implied he would go ahead with the demonstration despite having been denied a permit, according to media reports. ADNFCR-1961-ID-19936939-ADNFCR

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  • Munir Munshey

    The Christians and the Muslims would agree: The God of the Christians is a Merciful and a Tolerant God.
    That merciful and tolerant God has at least 50 hate-mongering adherants who are hell bent upon sending a message to a billion and a half people that Christians hate Muslims. The tempers and the temperatures of both Muslims and Christians would rise. What follows might be the global warming of the other kind.

    • spike

      Well, on the one hand, the Muslims all over the world have been known to do a little hatemongering themselves…on 9/ll most notably, Flags were burning all over the Arab world…However, I don’t think we should stoop to their level, and I don’t think we should feed into their sickness. Difficult to say what Jesus would do, because I know what he has to say about the Quaran (sp) and the Muslim “religion”…
      he’d say the truth, that it’s not the word of God…

      • Jana

        Munir Munshey,

        I am not saying I would participate in such an ‘event’, but I would like to add a little different spin to all of this.

        When we went to Saudi in 2001, the Saudi Gov’t. made the US burn many Bibles that were brought in to that country. Yes, we had to burn them ourselves. In Muslim countries they burn the Christian Churches as well as torture, rape and murder the Christians that are living in that country.

        On 9-11 many of our supposed Muslim Americans were seen and heard celebrating over the perceived ‘victory’ that happened when the towers went down.

        Yes it seems insensitive to burn the Koran (Qur’an) but its also insensitive for Imam Rauf to keep insisting on building the Cordoba (sp?) Center. The very name they are using is even an insult.

        It is also an insult to burn the American flag, but it is still done as it is legal. We see Muslims as well as illegals stepping all over the flag and burning it all of the time in demonstrations.

        It seems its alright to do these things to us, and I know your mandate of lying to the infidels and telling them whatever it is they want to hear is ok, as long as you end up getting your way, and that you consider us the infidels.

        I also hear all of the time that we serve the same God, and BY YOUR OWN STATEMENT and from my studies of the Qur’an and the Hadiths etc. I know we do not. You stated, ” The Christians and the Muslims would agree: The God of the Christians is a Merciful and a Tolerant God.”

        Over and over in the Old Testament which is still viable for today, the Christian God, the One True God, says his name is Jealous, and that He is a Jealous God. He does not want us associating with false gods. Yes, He is a toleralnt God, thank goodness, but his patience as well as the American people’s patience can wear out. It wears out when we are the ones that are always giving in, it wears out when we see no compassion from the Muslims who keep pushing and pushing to get thier way no matter who it hurts.

        This Florida Pastor is just one man, and from what you can read does not have the support from the rest of us, so if you all would use this one man to start something like what you just threatened and I quote you, ” What follows might be the global warming of the other kind.”, shows exactly the kind of people you are.

        You all keep claiming Islam is a religion of peace, then I say prove it. Act on it and show us that it is. You all show a little tolerance here too.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Jana,
          While I don’t support the burning, I very much agree with all you say, especially the last three sentences!!!! If it does go ahead I will be watching here in the States to see if they can do what they demand that we do!!!

          • Lee Lheureux

            Jana, Thats a crock. I worked there for 12 years .No one had to throw their bible or burn it We even had services there .

          • http://naver samurai

            It’s good to see that Lee would rather work somewhere else other than in America. What kind of patriot is that? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Jana

          Lee L,
          Then you don’t know everything. I said the US Gov.’t had to burn Bibles that had been brought in.
          I also knew people that were there and they didn’t have any trouble either, as they lived in the AMERICAN SECTOR.
          I had a girl friend that lived there with her husband who worked for a company that also employed the Saudi’s.
          There were 5 women that wanted to go to town but could not go unless they were escorted by a man. Her husband asked a local who was a friend and colleague who he trusted to escort the wives. They were back by noon, but the man did not show up for work till after 3 that afternoon and they asked him where he had been. He answered very indignantly that he had to go home and bathe because he had sat next to a dirty woman. My friend was that woman, and she said “I was not dirty”. Her husband had asked him because he could trust him to take care of his wife, but they found out the man thought he had been disgraced.
          Don’t be so naive!

        • slickporsche

          Good post and to the point. I will be burning several koran in the name of the United States of America and the God we serve. Every one of you that claim to love America, needs to step up to the plate and show these barbarians that we do no like them or need them. GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY! Within 5 years of getting that Mosque built in New York, you can bet they will be wanting sheriah law. We have reached that point in America where the Muslims are going to start demanding more and if not there will be lots of trouble like you read about in other countries. Please do soak a Koran in kerosene over night. It will burn bright. Make sure that if you get into a cab driven by a Muslim you get out and find another. If you pull into a convenience store and find out is is Muslim owned, drive away.Do not help the Muslims find success in this country.

          • Kaye

            The Islamic religion is not a benign one, nor are the Muslims good people.
            Just look at what Europe is now facing owing to their good will and tolerance of these people. We need to stop the Islamic threat while we still can. Our nation has never faced anything like this in our history. We have assimilated and accomodated many a different immigrant of several nations and religions, albeit with some struggle, but the Moslems don’t intend to and never have intended to nor never will assimilate. They fully intend to take us over.
            Check out what the Australian Prime Minister said about those people recently. I envy Australias isolation.
            I’m afraid Christian and Jewish Americans are in for a long hard struggle. I hope we have the resolve and nerve to prevail.

          • Kaye

            Yeah, burn the Koran on 9/11! I intend to.

          • Jana

            Kaye,
            Thank you and with people like you , we will be victorious. This is our country.

          • Munir Munshey

            It cannot be that Christians are created by one Creator and non-Christians by another. There is but One Creator. Christians think that the One Creator procreated, while the Muslims believe that to procreate, one has to avail the services of another with the opposite sexual persuasion. That they think is impossible.

            When you narrate your personal experiences I agree with you, just as I agree with the Muslims who have their own “these things” to narrate. In order to make peace one has to see and go past and beyond ‘these things’. Muslims consider the non-Muslims ‘Kafirs’ (unbelievers), just as Christians call the non-Christians heathens. For the Christians, the Muslims have a special term _ people of the book. Any religion or system of beliefs worth its salt would have to encourage its adherents to struggle against injustice, tyranny and oppression. Islam is a religion of peace, and some of the reasons for that are:

            God is not just the creator of all humans. God is the Creator of all things. The sun, the moon, in fact every single thing submits to the laws of God. Everything submits to, and obeys God, which is the meaning of the word ‘Muslim’. When a human being also submits voluntarily, he no longer is in conflict with anything else in nature. He is at peace with all. That is why Islam is the religion of peace.

            Even human being has two parts. One part of him functions involuntarily, like the Digestive, Respiratory, and other autonomous systems. Over certain other aspects of him, man has a will. When he submits to God voluntarily in matters where he could choose to defy, his voluntary and involuntary systems become harmonious, and he is at peace. That is why Islam is called the religion of peace.

            Islam insists that this life is a test. Not that rain falls in every life sometimes, but the entire life is a test. Poverty is a test just as much as affluence is. Every single minute of life is a test. The result of the test cannot be announced while one is living. When all human beings destined to live have come and gone, this universe will have served its purpose. It will be destroyed, and replaced by another universe with physical laws very different from that of this one. In that new universe, all human beings will be resurrected in a new body, with his memory and intellect intact. Then all human beings, all at once, shall stand before God to receive the result of the test. This belief presents to the adherent the purpose of existence and explains the phenomenon that is this life. It confers contentment, tranquility and peace. For this reason we say that Islam is the religion of peace.

            This in essence is what the Quran teaches.

          • Munir Munshey

            Muslims in America are not just immigrants; 25% of them are converts. They came to this country on the Mayflower, or brought here in chains. They have as much right on America as you do. It is possible that you may have a change of heart, or one of your relative, and might decide to become Muslims. Someone then might ask you to “go back to your country”. Where would you go?

          • http://naver samurai

            Munir, we had a person in my hometown deported back to Iraq, because he broke laws dealing with giving money to certain arab organizations. One of them advertised it was to help children get a good education, when in reality the money went to the murderers in hamas, so what’s your point? If they are here fine, but you better go by our laws and ways and not the way of some false prophet muhammed. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            Munir,
            The only think I will comment on in all of your meaningless ramblings above is, You said Islam is a religion of peace. Your definition of peace is sure different than our definition, or Webster’s definition or even the ONE TRUE GOD’S definition
            Your definition is to conquer or destroy anyone and everyone that doesn’t agree with you.
            Islam is definitely NOT a religion of peace.

            You did ask what if one of my relatives might become Muslim.
            I will ask you, what if one of your relatives might become Christian.
            We would not kill or hurt our loved one. What would you do?

        • http://PersonnelDigest Mona

          I find it really unbelievable that Obama, Bloomberg, and so many in the main stream media say that it freedom of religion that a Mosque should be build so close to the 911 site, but tha church in Florida does not have the same religious freedom to burn a book that is full hate for any one who is not a muslim.

          • Andy Howey

            That’s easy to answer — double standard.

      • Bob

        Spike You know nothing about Muslims. Where exactly in the Quran does it say to kill infidels?

        • Jana

          Bob,
          Obviously its you who doesn’t know anything about the Muslims. John’s post below at 11 AM gives you your answer. Read it and learn.

          A lot of our Muslims friends are truly extrememly nice, but when they are called to start obeying their Imam, then that takes priority.

          We just want them to act on and do what they are asking and demanding from us.

      • coal miner
      • EltonJ

        Jesus would nuke the USA.

        • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

          He’d nuke it with love Elton. The devastation would still be total.. specially amongst those who claim to be his followers.

          • Jana

            What are you talking about?
            The followers of Christ have nothing to fear. God is not mad at us, we are His.

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            Christ had two commandments.. love one another and love god. I don’t see these simple commandments being met by a lot of so called Christians.

          • http://naver samurai

            Duende must have changed sides from the christian side to the ways of islam. Traitor! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            It’s always odd how non Christians want to tell Christians how they are supposed to act.
            God also tells us not to have any other ‘gods’ before us.

          • Jana

            Duende,
            11Corinithians 6:14 be ye not unequally yoiked together with UNBELIEVERS: for what fellowship hast RIGHTEOUSNESS with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

            Our leaders including Obama, pelosi, Clinton, Bidon, Reid, all of them are trying to link us up with our enemies, but more importantly God’s enemies. Why are they God’s enemies? Because they do not believe in or on Him. They do not believe His word. God considers anyone even consorting with a false god, or flirting with a false god or doing business with a false god as “WHORING AROUND” These are God’s words.
            Non Christians are always trying to tell us how to act. As Christians we choose to honor and obey our Father with love and respect.
            We don’t go out and kill these people, but we must make it known what they are and who they are and what they stand for. Satan comes in as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. The scripture actually says,
            1Peter 5:8: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

            Wow, that sounds like Islam seeking to devour the world for their god satan. So their very actions prove WHO their leader is. They murder woman for being raped, they say its alright to lie to us (taqiyya) and murder us, their leader is a pedophile, they promote violence, they use their children, esp. male children as sex toys, and if they don’t want to be thier sex toy, they throw acid on them. Now they want to come to America and conquer our Great Country for Islam.

            IT WON’T HAPPEN!

    • Patricia Smith

      Munir Munshey: Do you think this paster in Gainesville went to the Mosque in Orlando where they were raising funds for Hamas. Did you know that George Galloway (a fund raiser) for Hamas raised thousands of dollars to support Hamas (in Orlando FL) and he is baned in Canada?
      Now give me the truth!!! What is the function of Hamas? If you answer honestly remove your post.

    • REJ

      God and Allah are not the same my friend!! My God is All Mighty. Allah is just another thought up religion to make you work for a salvation that is a lie. Allah is little g god. Wake up!

      • Munir Munshey

        God? God is an English word, is it not? English language is only 600 years old. So what did they call the Creator during the time of Jesus? Certainly not “God”! The word does not exist in Aramaic language, which is what people spoke back then! So what is the word for the Creator in Aramaic? “ELOI, ELOI, Lama sabakhthani” says the bible. This is the only sentence of Aramaic in the bible. How did they pronounce “ELOI”? Just consult any interactive Aramaic pronunciation guide. “ELO” in Aramaic is pronounced, “Al-Law”!

        • http://naver samurai

          It doesn’t really matter what they called him, but what does matter is which one is the real one. Which one is real God or allah? The muslims didn’t really start saying allah till the days of muhammed and the false scriptures of the koran. The Judeo-Christian God is the one true God. Always has been and always will be! FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

          • Munir Munshey

            There is only one Creator, the real one. There just isn’t any other Creator. The creator creates effortlessly and does not procreate. Why would the Creator have a son? Please think! If the Creator had a son _ a sort of a baby-Creator, then there would be two Creators. The old Creator, and the baby-creator.

            Do you not agree that the Creator is only ONE? If that Creator is immortal, why would he need to procreate? You need to, because you will die. The Creator would never die.

            Think about it!

          • Munir Munshey

            Jesus called his God _ Please note, he had a God. The one whom you call God, had a God of his own, and he announced that his God was your God _ ElO. The bible says so. Please note again. That word is in the bible. That Aramaic word is pronounced AL_LAW in Aramaic language. Please check it out. That is exactly what the Muslims call God! Muslims call God exactly what Jesus called his God.

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            Since I can’t comment directly to Munir’s statement about the creator not having a son, I’m more of a mind that he had an enormous amount of children.. we are all children of God. The image we are created in is not of two arms and a leg but in our hearts. When our hearts are bitter, regardless of our “reasoning” we are removing ourselves from his grace.

          • Andy Howey

            Munir: Jesus is God in the form of the Son. He cried out “Oh my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” during his Passion because he had chosen, for our sake, to become human through being born of the Virgin Mary and to experience the human condition and then offer himself up as the perfect sacrifice to atone for our sins. After he was crucified (yes, I know that the Quran denies this), he rose from the dead to (re)assume his eternal form. Islam, which is a bastardization of heterdox Christianity, Judaism, and paganism, has (attempted to) subsume Jesus as a mere prophet instead of admitting his true status.

          • Munir Munshey

            Duende, Wish you had written something I can answer. Insults simply have to be shrugged off.

            Andy, Jesus was the God who was the son? Who was the God who was the father? Who was the one God called the ghost.

            Jesus was God, you say? Then Jesus died? How could God die?

          • Munir Munshey

            Andy,
            Sure I can explain jizya for you.

            Only Muslims can be drafted or conscripted in the army, to defend the Islamic State against the invaders. Islam does not place the obligation upon the non-believers to fight to defend the State, the ideology of which they do not believe.

            They are exempt from military duty, upon payment of a tax called Jizya.

            Of course if they wish to register for military duty voluntarily, then the tax is waived.

            If the non-Muslim cannot afford to pay, even then the jizya is waived.

            The propaganda churned about jizya is of course the Christian propaganda.

            That is the well known teaching of the sharia!

          • http://naver samurai

            Why munir, are we being hypocritical in our beliefs? You said that muslims believe in Jesus, but then you turn around and say that God has no son. How can you believe in Jesus and say God has no son? Jesus is the SON OF GOD, no other way to put it. If you don’t believe in Jesus, why he came to earth, and why he died on the cross, you can NEVER, NEVER, NEVER get into heaven. The muslims will be going somewhere after they die, but there won’t be this lie of 70 virgins waiting for them. Just fire and brimstone in Hades! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Andy Howey

            Munir: “Jizya” is another word for extortion. Pay the Jizya or suffer the consequences.

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            Munir. You think I said something insulting? It certainly wasn’t intended. however if you do think that the metaphorical reference to us all being children of God is an insult then I’m totally at a loss.

        • Jana

          Munir,
          I don’t know if you have noticed it or not, we speak English. Of course God is an English word.
          God said His name is I AM THAT I AM.
          His name is also JEALOUS,
          His name is YHVH pronounced Ya ha veh.
          Only some of the Bible was written in Aramaic. Most of it was written in Hebrew -The Old Testament, and Greek, the New Testament.
          ELOI may have been pronounced Al-LAW, but you have no comprehension Who that is. Your prophet Muhammad was nothing more than a mere man, who was also a pedophile, who thought he heard from God. Finally evolved into someone who decided he was God’s avenger. You all have taken that even further. You have made your god fit what men want to believe and enjoy, which the basic of it is to abuse women and children.. You all use little boys as your sex toys, and your women are no more than breeders and your little girls have no value whatsoever except to be abused. Any logical person who can think and reason would know that this is the total opposite of what the ONE TRUE GOD tells us is true and what a loving God would have us do.
          Islam is totally opposite of what THE ONE TRUE GOD stands for. The only one we know of that believes like you do is called Satan, the Old Dragon, known by many names. Satan also fit’s the picture of Islam, so what are we supposed to think? Especially when we hear you twisting the truth into such distortment.

          One VERY MAJOR POINT however is Jesus while dying on the Cross was quoting scripture, and the people around Him thought he was calling out for Elias. So much for Eloi sounding like Al-Law!

    • Andy Howey

      That sounds almost like a threat.

    • http://aol wayne a

      MUNIR,our constitution guarantees them the right to burn the koran just like it guarantees, that they can build the mosque near ground zero, which i don’t agree with!

      • Munir Munshey

        I agree that the constitution might give the right to burn books. Christians have burnt books before. However, according to the local laws, burning of books is illegal, and the pastor was denied the permit he sought.

        • Kaye

          Please tell me, Munir which law bans the pastor in Florida, from burning books?

  • dan az

    If he is going to do it could some one please get allahobomas quarn and use it for the starter!

  • DaveH

    The Pastor plays right into their hands with that kind of silliness.
    We need to set a better example rather than behaving like the radical muslims.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      DaveH,
      See my answer to Jana above.

    • Claire

      DaveH–As I scrolled down, I found this article, dang it. I posted a comment on the other article–Petraeus (sp) said on the news that this burning could be harmful to the safety of our troops. He may have a point.

      • Patricia Smith

        Claire: This pastor in Gainesville is showing all of us that we STILL HAVE RIGHTS. Bush and his gang invaded Iraq for personal monatary gains; that is where the hate really started. One little ole man in Gainesville can’t compromise our troops any more than the Bush administration and all those idots in Washington have already done

        • coal miner
          • http://?? Joe H.

            coal dunger,
            My head is spinning with how many times you change your tune!!! you have ALWAYS stated that Christianity is a cult, yet here you are defending a preacher?!?!?!? I would almost wonder if coaldust is fat soluable. At least that would explain your flip-flops! lose a little weight FLIP-FLOP!!!

        • http://naver samurai

          Though I do agree with you about the pastor’s rights, but I can’t about Iraq (Since I was sent there with my batallion.). We went to Iraq to free the Iraqi people, knock out Saddam Hussein, find WMD’s, and the mission was a success on all fronts. Of course, I don’t think mu unit counted on the response by various terrorist groups, but we all thought “Let them come.” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Kaye

          I agree with Patricia.

        • Granny Mae

          Patricia,

          Bushes fault huh? Well then explain to me about the capture of our embasy people durring Carter’s reign ! These people have been doing this crap for as long as they have been alive ! Why do you think there were the crusades? Get a grip!

        • coal miner

          JoeH,

          I still do.I like to see all silly religions go.They are cults that don’t belong in the real world.Christianity has kill more people than all the religions combined.Check your history books,that is if you can read.

          • coal miner

            QUOTE FOR THE DAY!

            “If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.”
            – James Madison

        • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

          Patricia.. while you’re right about the motives of the Bush administration it is no different than the motives or previous or present administrations. It’ just that Bush and his family benefited directly from this and Obama, Clinton and others, it was their handlers got the benefits (and they got to be president). The issues in the mid east were created way before Bush. “Terrorism” domestic (Timothy Mcveigh) and external (you name it) is a direct result of governmental policies (usually dictated by the needs of the elite). now throw in the religious finger pointing with Zionism at the forefront and you’re got what George Carlin would have called a “Mongolian Cluster F&cK”

      • Jana

        Clair,
        The actions of one man and one church should not have that much input. The Muslims got all bent out of shape when someone tried to make a cartoon with Muhammad. They even put out a death sentence on the man who DARED draw that cartoon. How many cartoons have they used with Christian emblems?
        Are these people so shallow that they would do harm to others because of one persons actions? If this is the case maybe this Pastor is doing a good thing by waking up the people of this country who are naivly thinking that this religion is a religion of peace. We bend over backwards for this religion while our rights as Christians keep getting taken away.
        They come into a country very meekly and start with a few baby steps. The next thing, when they get their population built up, they start pushing for more rights, and using the host country’s laws to get their laws implemented. Then as they get momentum, they start taking over. Look at some of our own cities here in the US where this is happening right now. Look at England, and France who are having a terrible time with this now also.
        The more I read and find out, the more I see why Israel has had to make such a hard stand in Gaza.

        • Jim Wright

          Just because they are barbarians does not mean we have to be. Pastor Terry Jones is completely wrong to do this and not for the touchee feely reasons I have read here. Burning this book is wrong period. I am a Christian and I am an American and I really do resent when someone burns the Bible or the American flag. His reasons are wrong and his actions are wrong. I have no love for Islam or the Koran but this is just wrong.

          • http://naver samurai

            Burn them all! Burn them all! Islam is a false faith and burning their Korans will be just like Israel burning the temples and idols of false gods when they had kings. This is NO DIFFERENT! God will not punish us for doing this. In fact, in my opinion, he may even reward us like he did with Israel as I’ve stated above. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            samurai,
            Yes, you are so right. Thanks for setting him straight.

          • http://naver samurai

            Thanks Jana! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            Samuri

            The elite have been duping the general public into dieing for their causes since the beginning of time. The us has never been and exception to this (this realization sure blew apart my sense of our noble forefathers). Any way Samuri.. keep listening to some of your brothers and sisters on this site who have the whole picture.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry you feel that way duende. I guess you’ve been lost for awhile and know not what you do. I did not advocate killing or burning muslims, just that false doctrine called the koran. Also, if you look in I and II Kings in the Old Testiment you’ll see that I’ve spoken correctly. The elite has nothing to do with me standing up for what is right and rejecting those things that are wrong. It does seem that you are the one that has been taken over by their mindset. I hope you really learn to live by the way God and Jesus say we should do. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            Samurai

            I am so far from lost that I can give a compass directions. The elite will use your religious fervor to suit their needs when the time comes. The teachings of Christ were hijacked by the First Council of Nicaea. All the branches of Christianity that arose from that, never mind the catholic church are perversions of the holy spirit. I was touched by the holy spirit in my 20′s. I tried to ignore the calling and spent a life of turmoil until I acknowledged my experience and formed my life around what I was shown. I can guarantee you Samurai.. all your venom and sureness about your own righteousness is an anathema to the holy spirit. Until you have your own personal connection with the holy spirit all you can do is spout the words of others and swallow their interpretations of the bible, including my own, you will be nothing but a tool.

          • http://naver samurai

            Duende, they’ll be having snowball fights in hades before that happens!

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            Smaurai

            You said “Duende, they’ll be having snowball fights in hades before that happens!”

            Now realize what I was saying you really had to have your own personal relationship with the holy spirit. I have hopes for all mankind to have that experience.. it;s a magnificent one if you’re prepared to handle it. I’m sorry you feel there’s no hope that you will. but I’m suspecting that’s not what you were saying there was no hope for but I can;t really figure out what it was you were commenting on (if that’s not the case)

        • Kaye

          You don’t even know how to spell. How can anyone take you seriously, Jana?

          • Granny Mae

            Kaye

            Now don’t be so petty !

          • http://naver samurai

            Understanding, not spelling, is the important thing here.

          • Munir Munshey

            Samurai,
            Others might and do think Christianity is a false religion. Muslims consider themselves the spiritual inheritors and followers of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus. They are all Muslim prophets. They think the Israelites of the past were Muslims, and the Churches of modern times represent the temples of the past, and the statues and pictures of Jesus are the idols. Surely, you cannot be sure that Jesus looked anything like those statues, can you?

          • http://naver samurai

            Munir, they may consider themselves that way, but they are not. The first muslim ever recorded in the Bible was in the book of Genesis named Ishmael. He was the product of Haggar, an Egyptian. God had Abraham kick them out, because they were not his people. That is where the muslims and Jews separated.

            How do you figure Jesus? They’re “messiah” is a false prophet named Mohammed. If you look at his history and the history of Islam, you’ll find that they are very different. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Granny Mae

          Jana,

          You are right and by the time the rest of these toughy feely do gooders finally figure that out it will be too late! We should all be standing behind this preacher in our local towns if for nothing more but to show solidarity and send the message that we will not keep taking their pushing and we see through their lies ! As for the rest of you, we will put “I didn’t think it was right ” on your toumb stones.

          • Granny Mae

            talk about spelling ! I meant touchy. Hard to see when you are blind !

        • Munir Munshey

          Samurai,

          Does Christianity teach you that slaves girls are inferior and hate-worthy? People are all equal, are they not? Children of slave girls and the children of kings are all equal before the Creator. If Christianity really teaches you that a slave girl and her children are hate-worthy, then either Christianity is wrong, or else you are wrong and Christianity does not teach that.

          • http://naver samurai

            Where did slavery come from? You have to go back before 1865 to come up with something? We believe hate slavery and not the slave. Remember, islam still believes in slavery and they ARE treated like lower class citizens. Ask the people in the Darfur region of the Sudan, or northern Nigeria, southern Thailand, India, Israel, etc., they ARE treated as infidels and are mercilessly attacked by wackos wearing bombs and blowing themselves up. Islam doesn’t care who they kill as long as it is for the glory of their false god allah! Women are also treated as property and are discriminated against, so what’s your point? I suggest you really read that koran of yours and look deeper into the history of islam, you may want to change what you believe. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Munir Munshey

            Perhaps you missed the point, Samurai.

            You said Hagar was inferior to Sarah and so Islam is inferior. That means you think a former slave girl, the wife of Abraham, was inferior merely because she was a slave. The point: most Americans, and indeed most Christians are NOT the physical descendants of Abraham. It is not about the race anyway, or is it?

            The Koran which you refuse to read, is full of instructions to free slaves. Some Muslims may have ignored the instructions, but look at what the Christians did. They annihilated an entire people, the Native Americans and called it the “work of God”. They enslaved all blacks; bought them bred them and sold them. The Christians enslaved the whole world.

            The Christians enslaved the people of India from 1725 AD to 1947 AD. perpetrated untold misery on them spent billions to convert people to Christianity, passed laws to facilitate the conversion, and wrote books detailing what they did to convert people. 96% of India were Hindus when the Christians enslaved them. That translates into 300 million slaves in India whom despite all the savagery and money and two centuries of oppression, they could not convert.

          • Andy Howey

            Munir: You are mistaking the actions of people who claim to act in the name of Christianity with the ideals of Christianity. All the events that you cited were perpetrated by self-absorbed money grubbers, not Christians. If you claim that Muslims are exempt from the temptations of money grubbing, then explain Jizya.

          • Munir Munshey

            A favorite ploy. Whenever Christians cannot explain anything they say those acting in the name of Christianity were not Christians. Hitler said he was Christian. Charles Manson said he was too. Why not believe them. Christianity is not to blame for actions done in the name of Islam, but Islam is to blame when bad acts are committed in the name of Islam. Why not try to be fair!

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong again Munir! I had to read it while attending one of my many history classes in college. It was more difficult to understand than the Bible, and in some cases made no sense whatsoever. There are also many passages in it dealing with the destroying of infidels. Don’t try to sell this load od crap to me, moron! I’m not buying! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Kerry

      We can not continue to back down from these scumbags! I commend the pastor for having the guts (not gutless like the rest of this country)to stand against these morons and prove that someone is going to defend whats right!!!! Nobody ever throws a fit when they burn the greater book called the Bible! This idea of having to be pushed around on a continous basis by thugs has got to stopped!!!!!!!

      • slickporsche

        Problem is the real thugs are our government. They are the ones really pushing us around.

        • Granny Mae

          slickporsche,

          It is time to take a stand and push back! Too bad they made him stand down ! Lots of spinless jelly fish in this country ! I say if they strike us we strike back only a little harder untill they get the message. Behave or get out !

      • Kaye

        Kerry, Amen!
        There are magazine articles, etc. about America being Islamaphobic. BullShit! I am not afraid of them; I just hate them. Bring it on!

      • Munir Munshey

        You think the bible is the greater book, while the Muslims think the Quran is the greater book. It is all a matter of belief! And Muslims do not burn the bible. They believe in Jesus and Moses. They believe in the scriptures Jesus and Moses were given!

        • http://naver samurai

          You mean the ones that were borrowed and warped when writing the koran? If this is true, then why do muslims rally around the cry of “First comes Saturday, then comes Sunday?” Do you know this means they want to destroy the Jews first and then go after the Christians? Some so called religion of peace. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Munir Munshey

            A Christian named Hitler wanted to destroy the Jews. His army, a Christian army did all that. The German people, Christians all of them, were the enablers.

          • Andy Howey

            Munir: Hitler WAS NOT a Christian. He persecuted Christians just as he did Jews, Gypsies, or anyone else who was not part of his “Master Race”. As far as his “religious” beliefs, he was more into mysticism and Nordic paganism than anything else. Get your facts straight!

        • Andy Howey

          Munir: If Muslims believe that Christians and Jews have received scripture from God, then why do they either try to force Christians and Muslims to convert to Islam or become dhimmi, or, failing that persecute and kill them. If Allah is so all-wise and so all-merciful, then why does this happen? Is it because someone is misinterpreting the Quran? If so, then Muslim conquerors, starting with your beloved Mohammed (may curses be upon him) — the very guy who dreamed up the Quran, have been misinterpreting the Quran from the very beginning. Answer that, if you can.

          • http://naver samurai

            Yes and don’t forget, Mohammed said that an angel of heaven told him to write it. The angel we all know was named Lucifer. Lucifer is another name for satan. Munir thinks that the koran is a holy work? How can it be from heaven when they enslave their own women, kill african muslims in southern Sudan because of their race, kill christians in Darfur because of their religion, attack Israel because they are Jews, supported the Nazis in their efforts to destroy the Jews (This is taken from history books on modern history of Egypt), attacking innocent people in southern Thailand because they are a different religion, attack targets of opportunity (schools, churches, temples, malls, buses, etc.) that would tally up a higher body count, support terrorism, etc. How could it be holy and true if these people do, finance, and or support such actions? The last kingdom that was Persian was conquered by the sword for the glory of allah. Why? Because they had a different religion and islam preaches the destruction of anyone or anything not muslim, so what is you mental malfunction on this point? I say let them come here and try something in my hometown. We may not be able to stop them from coming, but we can send them home in 6 foot long by 30 inch wide boxes. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Andy Howey

            I’ve often wondered how feasible it would be to anti-proselytize (for lack of a better term) the people of the Persian nations (Iran, Afghanistan, Tadzhikistan, and maybe Pakistan (if not part of Persia, then separately)), the Turkic nations (Turkey, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan), etc. and remind them of the cultures they had before the yoke of Islam was set upon their necks, to find a way to create a popular uprising to throw off Islam and assume their former ways of life.

          • Andy Howey

            After all, Islam is an Arabic aberration. All non-Arabic Muslims are decidedly second-class. I would think that the non-Arabic Muslims would be very resentful of that status.

          • http://naver samurai

            Thank you Andy and very accurate! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Jana

          Munir, To your statement:
          You think the bible is the greater book, while the Muslims think the Quran is the greater book. It is all a matter of belief! And Muslims do not burn the bible. They believe in Jesus and Moses. They believe in the scriptures Jesus and Moses were given!

          Answer,

          There you go following your taqiyyah again, the art of telling the listener anything you think they want to hear, or outright lying to them.
          Muslims do burn the Bible, Muslims burn the Christian Churches, Muslims kill Christians, and it is in the news all of the time. Your lying about it will not change the truth.
          Muslims believe in the scriptures Jesus and Moses were given? Since when? Oh you believe in your perversion of what Moses was given, but you cannot possibly believe in what Jesus said, as you refuse to act on it, as Jesus said “I am the way, the Life and the TRUTH’

    • John

      If allah does not want the koran burned he will prevent it. If he’s as real as his followers believe then the pastor will be unablt to lighht them or keep them lit.
      See
      http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=200825

      And decide for yourself if there’s really a problem.
      In every case of some perceived slight of islam they say they are going to kill us. Nothing we could ever do would make them happy so let them show the power of their diety.
      If their diety is real, no fire will occur.

      • Munir Munshey

        Paper burns. That is the law of God. The bible will burn just as readily as the Quran. Your argument is demonstrably false!

        • http://naver samurai

          Be careful talking about burning the Bible, the true word of God. The words you just spoke would be fighting words in my hometown!

          • Munir Munshey

            Many verses in the bible are known not to there in the first century. Catholic bible has 73 books, Protestant bible has only 66. So either the Catholics included in their “word of God” 7 books that were not the words of God, or the protestants deleted 7 books from their bible, that were the words of God. In addition the bible of the Greek Orthodox is different as well as the Mormons’. All scholars acknowledge additions and deletions in the bible. any bible. The first two translators of the bible into English were tried, convicted, and punished. Their bodies were dug up, burnt and thrown into the river.

          • http://naver samurai

            Actually, all the Catholics I know have the same Bible I do, only 66 books. There may have been more, but the ones that were taken out was because there was no proof of that person existing. The Mormons are different as they have also the Book of Mormon. It’s not a factual book, but they believe in it. You’re now doing what the infidel koran is telling you to do. Attack us and anything not muslim. Gee, your being a good follower of the false prophet, aren’t you? FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

    • http://aol wayne a

      DAVE H,we should set a better example? you got to be kidding! the muslim religion is the most violent,controlling religion in the world.if the pastor and his church members decides to burn the koran, they have that right,guaranteed by our constitution! i hope they follow through and do it!

      • Jana

        wayne a,
        You are right. Actually, the people of Iraq thought American were weak just because they were “trying to set a better example”. These people do think Americans are weak if we turn the other cheek and keep letting them walk all over us. The Iraqi’s used to ask my relative who was over there, who are these Democrats in your country that are cowards? What are they?
        These Muslims that are pushing their ways onto us are bullies and will take any advantage they can. Have you ever seen a bully stop because someone gave in to them? No, they just get worse.
        At least this pastor was a man and he made a stand, and it looks like it worked. He opened the eyes of a lot of people.
        Praise God for men like this pastor who helps to open the eyes of the American people.

        • Kaye

          I apologize to Jana for what I said about her spelling. Forgive me, Jana.

          • Jana

            Kaye,
            No problem. :)

        • blv54

          has anyone thought that this koran burning is a setup by the government to start a religious war to get us and the muslims fighting? why is the media playing this up so much and it’s going to be christians who will get the blowback as most people now don’t like the christians they will call us intolerant bigots, I don’t trust this pastor I think he’s being paid to do this otherwise he’d be afraid for his life, islam is a horrible religion and I don’t like it and the idea of burning korans is appealing to me to but if it gets out of hand the consqenses will be on us and everyone knows there trying to divide us everyway they can and keep us all fighting it’ll be interesting to see how all this plays out hope it don’t turn into a holy war.

          • Jana

            blv54
            God works in mysterious ways, and it looks as though the Lord used this Pastor to bring peace.

          • eddie47d

            This pastor didn’t bring anyone peace. God may have thumped him on the head and told him to get over his foolishness. Stop preaching discord and get back to the business of preaching HIS WORD.

          • Jana

            I see where the nice honest Imam and all of our Gov’t came against this Pastor. What a shame.
            Maybe what we need to do is each individually burn a copy of the Qur’an this Sunday.

            All this has done is show that our Gov’t. is so out of step with the will of the people.
            Also if the people of New York would buy one pork chop and throw it on the intended site for the Mosque at ground zero that would be easier than slaughtering a pig. Where is the gumption of the New Yorkers?

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    I agree that it is not the right thing to do, but neither is death to Christians. They are not a peaceful group as they claim to be. I really believe that cowering to be ‘politically correct’ has led to many disturbing outcomes, one of which is the slippery slope our nation is on by taking God out of our everyday lives! If the Muslims want to be in this country, which apparently they do because they want to show dominance of the United States by putting a mosque near where the twin towers once stood before they took them down and all the people in them, then they had better understand what our country is really all about. Burning their Qurans is a right that we have. I am not saying that it is tasteful, but that right should not be challenged. Where is the ACLU? Why are they not being their usual bully self by demanding that our rights not be questioned? Oh… They only pick the battles they want to fight for; I forgot.

    • eddie47d

      All lawyers pick the battles they think they can win and they do it for lots of money. Most lawyers shun any cases they might loose unless court appointed. The ACLU generally doesn’t go out and look for high profile cases. The individual or organization usually go to them for assistance.The nature of the case is what makes it high profile. Unlike most lawyers they depend on donations and hardly do it to become rich. Would You stick you neck out for someone else’s rights not knowing if you could afford to do so. The ACLU does it all the time.

      • Andy Howey

        eddie47d: You hit the nail on the head — the ACLU picks and chooses which and whose rights they will defend. If it were a Muslim Imam burning bibles, they’d be all over it almost before reports of it hit the airwaves. But this is about a white christian minister — they won’t touch it with a 10-mile pole. It doesn’t further their agenda. One needs to be non-white, feminist, alternate-lifestyle, and/or anti-American, and preferably non-Christian, for the ACLU to be interested.

        • Granny Mae

          Andy

          You are so right ! I’m with you. ACLU sucks kemons !

          • Granny Mae

            there I go again! I meant LEMONS ! LOL !

      • eddie47d

        That’s not what I said Andy but knock yourself out with fables.

      • http://aol wayne a

        EDDIE,don’t where you got your info at,but yes the aclu does go out of it’s way to be in the spotlight and choses most of it’s fights on it’s own.

        • eddie47d

          Okay Wayne name one or two cases where they weren’t asked for help or solicitated business on their own.?

          • http://naver samurai

            All these nationwide cases, crusades I call them, for getting rid of anything christian in the public view? We had a person file a complaint that the 10 Commandments were placed outside the entrance of our city hall. The person filing the complaint called the aclu and they magically appeared on the scene. After this, he fool moved away and the aclu went to court over it. The mayor tried everything he could to work out some kind of agreement with them, but they wouldn’t budge. After everything was done, it seems that the police found out this fool had done the same thing 5 – 6 times before in two states, Indiana and Kentucky. He was also found to be taking money from them, as his bank records showed a deposit after filing a complaint in court. “I shall set up an institution that will seek to warp and/or destroy the U.S. Constitution.” That was said by the founder of the aclu. He was an admitted communist and atheist, so waht’s your point edduh? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • John

      Did you notice than in anticipation of the koran burning they burned Old Glory?

      • Jana

        john,
        This goes to show you they have absolutely no respect for the flag or the American people. They only want to dominate us. They are trying to instill fear in us and bolster up their own courage. The only reason they are burning our flag is because they are afraid of us and have GREAT FEAR in what we stand for, because they know we get our freedom from God, and they have tremendous fear of our God.
        The sad thing is we have shed as much blood protecting the Muslims as we have anyone else, and as all bullies do, they spit on us.

        • Granny Mae

          Jana,

          You have it right! Keep spreading the news! I guess that most of the people on here forgot what the muslims did when they got the news of the twin towers coming down ! They burned the flag and danced in the streets ! In Detroit Michigan USA ! I should say Dearborne Mich.
          These are disgusting air breathers !

        • http://naver samurai

          Good post Jana. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Kaye

      Good post, Robin.

  • Bill

    I say go ahead and burn “The Qur’an”. I have read the book from cover to cover and it does not in no way align with America’s Christian beliefs or principals. Also, folks in New York City, if you want to stop the building of the ground zero mosque, go to a pig farm, buy a couple of pigs, take them to the mosque site, slaughter them there and let the pigs blood soak into the ground. According to their religion, they can not build a mosque on land that’s been contaminated with pigs blood. They did the exact same thing to stop the building of a mosque in Spain.

    • Jason West

      Thank you Bill. What a wonderful piece of information. Bless you. Now we have the answer to other provocations when it is required. After all we can ‘SAY’ it is pig’s blood; no problem!

    • Stephen

      I hate to agree Bill and I do. It sounds like the most peaceful approach. I personally believe they have the right to build wherever they wish.
      I would like to remind people that we don’t do so good expressing Christian value here in this country. We are not about freedom or at least not for freedom for the common person. I love the lyrics “you can’t escape if you think your free.”
      One only need to consider the Christian crusades centuries past or the installment of corrupt leaders like the shaw in Iran. Or the genocide of the native american. Remember their religion was outlawed until 1974. We shouldn’t think about those good christian that thought it was OK to hunt them for the bounty on their scalps. (this was not that long ago)There are still native people who don’t know their sibling because they were stolen by the operations of our government.
      Consider all the people interned in concentration camps here during WW2. Or nuking population centers in Japan.
      Oh, we shouldn’t forget the Kings Torah either. The commandment not to kill only applies to Jews killing Jews. Anyone outside that faith is dead meat too, if they are a threat.
      God is Love and if we aren’t expressing Love does it matter what religion we are or what God we worship? Maybe the limitation on our ability to Love is the degree of our separation from God?
      Maybe the first question everybody ought to bring to the forefront of their brain is the question: Is this an act of Love?
      I would think burning holy books is not an act of Love? Oh how our world would change!

      • Patricia Smith

        Stephen: FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Without it we will not be free, THEY will take over by usining our FREEDOM OF RELIGION to push this unholy quran. If anyone stops this pastor in Gainesville THEY have made a HUGE dent in our 1st Amendment. Seperation of Church & State remember that one? Our laws are for all people in this country. Worship whom you please but don’t confuse LOVE with LAWS

      • slickporsche

        Where in the hell did you ever get the idea the Koran is a holy book?We are talking about a savage and brutal CULT,and this is their instruction book.

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Dano

          Aman, thank you my friend, you said it all!!!!!

      • http://aol wayne a

        STEPHEN,i guess building the mosque near ground zero is an act of love!74% of the Americans does not want the mosque built near ground zero.yes,the constitution guarantees them the right to build the mosque near ground zero,but that doesn’t make it right,just like the preacher and his followers want to burn the korans,right or wrong.i’m not so sure it’s wrong to burn them,i’m tired of all this bs that our gov.is trying to bend over backwards to please all these radicals,illegals and terrorist supporting countries.it’s about time someone stands up to these radical murderers!

      • Granny Mae

        Stephen,

        Boy you are good a spouting half truths. Go back to the crusades and tell me why they came about. Now go to the native Americans and tell what Christians it was that thought it was ok to scalp them? I don’t disagree that they did happen but I do disagree that they happened for the reasons you say and why would you even think of lumping all Christians to the thinking of killing of the Indians ? I so happened to be the sick mentality of a president that brought that on and it was a disgrace that we will never live down nor should we, but it certainly wasn’t the christians that did it. It was a man without a faith and a brain! The crusades were the christians retaliating over the rule of the muslims of that day. They had taken over the known world at that time and were trying to do just like they are doing today. They haven’t changed one damn bit in two thousand years.
        get your facts straight !

    • Patricia Smith

      Bill: Great pig idea. There was an idea going around about all these agents on airplanes when all we need to do is keep a pig on board. Let them get their own airlines if they don’t want to fly with an AMERICAN pig, then they can blow themselves up

      • eddie47d

        That’s ridiculous but you certainly have proven who you are and if I have to choose I take the pig.

        • http://aol wayne a

          EDDIE,you’re a real jerk! i’ve been seeing you on these comment sights for months,ever notice nobody ever agrees with you? i wonder why

      • Jana

        Patricia,
        Don’t worry about eddie, he has proven who and what he is over and over.
        Just use him like we do, and that is to see how the “others” think and to realize how rediculous they can get.

        • eddie47d

          Yes Jana we all have to keep learning “truth from false” but I will still take the pig.

          • http://aol wayne a

            yeah EDDIE,animals always seeks out others of their own kind,enjoy your pig!

          • http://naver samurai

            Maybe edduh believes in beastial relationships?

          • eddie47d

            No, but do you?

          • http://naver samurai

            I don’t know, can I ask your girlfriend? Baaaaa! Baaaaa!

    • Andy Howey

      I like your idea. However, it could be improved a little. Why waste the pigs? Have a BBQ and roast the pigs lechon-style right there on site. Offer the meat to passers-by for free in the name of freedom.

      • Jana

        Someone needs to invent bacon scented spray. Or we could start carrying around pigs blood in a spray bottle for emergencies. :)

    • Kaye

      Bill,
      Yes! Pig shit on the Koran.
      General Black Jack Pershing was right!

    • Granny Mae

      Bill,

      A man after my own heart ! I have said the same thing for ever so long ! My husband said they should put a pig on every airplane and that would stop their travel by air !

    • Munir Munshey

      Pigs are filthy and dirty. Your post suggests that you agree! You are just being spiteful. Did Jesus think Pigs are not dirty? Did he ever eat Pork?

      • Andy Howey

        Munir: Maybe he did or maybe he didn’t. The Bible doesn’t tell one way or the other. However, he certainly didn’t promote pedophilia, stoning of accused women, wars for the purpose of enriching a chief “prophet”, or any of the other hogwash that is written in the Quran.

        I think that Muslims worry way too much about physical/ritual purity and not nearly enough about morality. For example, one of the Ten Commandments is “Thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor.” However, according to Islam, lying (Taqiya) is perfectly okay, if it furthers the agenda of Islam. How is that moral? Islam lacks even basic honesty and decency.

        • Munir Munshey

          That is the false propaganda of the opponents of Islam against Islam. Christians are adept at lying. The German Nazi Christians lied against the British Christians, and the Russian Christians against both the Germans and the British. All the lying techniques learned during the WW@, and WW1, and the Napoleanic wars, the Prussian wars, the Reformist Wars, etc. etc. etc, are now being used against Islam.

          • coal miner

            Munir,
            You are right again.This is beginning to sound like a repeat of Nazi Germany.Hatred against Muslims in the land of the free ,years ago hatred against communist and Jews.When will it end?

            “The streets of our country are in turmoil. The universities are filled with students rebelling and rioting. Communists are seeking to destroy our country. Russia is threatening us with her might, and the Republic is in danger. Yes – danger from within and without. We need law and order! Without it our nation cannot survive.” -Adolf Hitler

            Hitler hated Communists. He thought that the goal of economics should be efficiency and not equality (he believed economic equality was WRONG) and that Communists were “rabble rousers” who interfered with patriotic production.

            Communists were the very first group to qualify for sentencing to death camps, even before Jews and Gypsies. This is because Hitler thought Communism was a Jewish conspiracy to take power. He recognized that Karl Marx, the founder of Communist philosophy, had been 100% ethnically Jewish, although an Athiest, and that many Jews in Germany were Communists. Non-Jewish Communists, according to Hitler, were even worse, they were “race traitors” (Himmler quotes) who wished to share power and wealth due the Aryans with “mud-people”.

          • Andy Howey

            False propaganda, Munir? Aisha, favorite female possession of your beloved Mohammed, was only 6 when he “married” her. He supposedly had the “courtesy” to wait until she was 9 before he consumated the “marriage” with her. If I remember correctly, he was over 40 at the time. How is that not pedophilia? If he did that now in a civilized country, he’d spend a lot of time in prison and then be wearing a GPS ankle bracelet for life afterwards, if the girl’s family hadn’t justifiably killed him first.

          • coal miner

            Munir Munshey,

            Munir, you are well versed in history.Hitler was a real good Christian.

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            The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:

            History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed. Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today’s Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian in order to place his misdeeds on those with out Jesus. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and chat rooms.

            Considering that Christianity has thus far been incapable of producing an unbiased, educated follower which speaks the truth, (I haven’t encountered any), I have been forced to dispel the myth by writing this essay. It is not until I bring up his speeches, my personal info on the Nazi regime and their tactics that a Christian will begin to question what their clergy told them. (I am the offspring of a German soldier. My Opa served under Hitler in WW2 and my father was raised during the time of the Nazi regime. This is important information to take into consideration for I am privy to some info that most Americans do not know. It is common for American media and education institutions to lie to their citizens concerning Nazi Germany.) So, in presenting this information I must break it into four parts: 1) Facts about Hitler and his involvement with the Church. 2) How the Church was the catalyst for anti- Semitism. 3) Facts concerning how the Nazi regime drilled these beliefs into Germanic society. 4) Quotes Hitler made which prove he had a disdain for atheism/occultism, upheld his Christian faith, and hated Jews due to his Christianity.

            Hitler’s involvement with the Church:

            a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

            b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

            c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

            d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

            e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

            f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party

            g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.

            Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

            h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism

            How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:

            Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.

            Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles treaty. The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world recognized power. Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national Christianity.

            How the Nazi Regime converted the people:

            a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positive” Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession…”

            b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all people need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles– or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles– by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

            c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.

            d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.

            e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.

            f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear. An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”. For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.

            g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.

            h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted.

            Quotes from Hitler:

            Hitler’s speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their faith So they try to pin him on other theistic views. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveal the strength of his Christian feelings:

            “National Socialism is not a cult-movement– a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship… We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else– in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will– not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.]

            “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]

            Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

            “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.” –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

            “Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition.” -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)

            “The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.” -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)

            “With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people.” -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)

            “The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties– and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

            “…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion.” -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)

            “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

            “The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race. That is why many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.)

            “Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)

            Quotes from Other Nazis about Hitler and Religion:

            “Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Gobbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide.” (Inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer page 95-96)

          • Andy Howey

            Hooray for you, Coal Miner. In your eagerness to defend Munir, you have grabbed some of the most inane crap imaginable. The web site you pulled this from promotes atheism, and the person who originally came up with this spew was quite obviously taking material out of context and twisting to suit her purpose. What does that sound like? Hmm, let me think. Why, Islam, of course.

          • Andy Howey

            Since Coal Miner neglected to say where he found this lovely bit of obtuseness, and in case anyone is interested, here is the URL:

            http://www.evilbible.com

        • Munir Munshey

          You insult Islam; others can insult your religion.

          I think Christianity lacks even the notions of ritual purity, or ritual purity or purity, period.

          All they are interested in is the blood of Jesus. They sin and say, “Charge it! My God already paid for this sin. He died for it”.

          Christians think blood of God is the detergent to wash sins.

          Isn’t God the most Merciful? Why does he require an innocent one to die such a horrible death, before God would begin to accept petitions of Mercy? Isn’t he God? Can he not forgive without spilling blood?

          Think about it. Pagans believed in human sacrifice. So do the Christians, now! In fact they raised the notion of human sacrifice several notches. They say the one who died was not human; he was God! That makes it God sacrifice. Haven’t they confused God with Dracula!

          Islam is the truth; it says forgiveness is free! no body has to die! no blood need be spilled. Just say you are sorry, and be sorry! Your sins will be forgiven! Guaranteed!

          The gravest sin is to assign a son for God. But even that grave sin can be forgiven. Sincerity is the pre-requisit.

          • Andy Howey

            “no body has to die! no blood need be spilled.”??? Maybe no Muslim need die. However, that doesn’t mean that Islam doesn’t require blood sacrifices — it has just substituted the need for the cleansing blood of Christ with the need for human sacrifice. Yes, that’s right, Islam condones and even requires human sacrifice — people they’ve conquered, apostates who convert to “another” religion, women who don’t submit, etc. Face it, Munir, Islam is no better than the paganism you condemn.

          • http://naver samurai

            Very true Andy! What should we expect from a religion based on killing and conquest? It’s a truly false faith and that’s all that needs to be said. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Munir Munshey

            Actually it is Christianity that is based on killing. A man ate the forbidden fruit. That caused all men to be sinners. BLOOD MUST BE SPILLED. That is the Blood atonement, right? The “wages of sins is death” right?

            So One man, an innocent man, an impeccably conceived man must die, right?

            Enter the dogma of God “coming over” Mary,impregnating her, and “begetting” a son. Right?

            That one man’s death will be accepted in lieu of the entire humanity dying, right?

            Check again, that exactly is what human sacrifice means. They were the pagans.

            The filth increases when you say that the man being sacrificed is not a man but God! That makes it God sacrifice.

            How can you swallow all that nonsense!

          • Munir Munshey

            Andy,

            Actually it is Christianity that is almost a pagan religion.

            The hallmark of paganism is the belief in the son of God.

            Every single pagan religion believed that God had a son, or sons.

            There does not exist any pagan religion that does not have this belief.

            The Greeks, the Romans, the Egyptians, The Indians, and all others believed that God procreated.

            Does Christianity believes so? You tell me!

            If you ponder upon that you would be left with no choice but to accept that Christianity is heavily influenced, to say the least, by pagan religions

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry, but Christ died on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins. Waht did Mohammed do that was so great? Kill, steal, rape, what? The only fantasy storues here are the ones in the koran. Nothing in the koran has been proven factual, but there are things that have been proven from the Bible. They found Noah’s Ark on Mt Ararat in Turkey and the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah. What did they find from the koran? NOTHING! Jesus is the SON OF GOD, not Muhammed! Muhammed was just a lier and was responsible for the starting of 100′s of years of wars across the Middle East, North Africa, and some areas of Europe. Gee, doesn’t really sound like a religion of peace to me. FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

          • Andy Howey

            Munir: If, as you falsely claim, Christianity is a pagan religion, then why did the all-wise Mohammed plagiarize so much from it? The story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden comes from the Book of Genesis, which is originally Jewish. Are you claiming that the Hebrew religion, from which Mohammed also plagiarized a lot, is also a pagan religion. That’s very funny coming from people who worship a rock. Did you know that Allah is not a solo “god”? In reality, Allah is first among an entire pantheon of Arabic “gods”. So, given that Islam has stolen and perverted a good deal of its theology from religions that you claim to be paganistic, and that the “god” that you “honor” is merely one of a pantheon, what does that say about the nature of Islam. It is a paganistic ideology that, as I pointed out earlier, depends on human sacrifice.

      • coal miner

        Munir,

        According to the bible,eating pork is a sin.

        • http://naver samurai

          Sorry dude, but if you read the Bokk of Acts you’ll see that you are wrong. Peter was in Joppa and was praying, but after a certain time he became hungry. The Lord sent down something looking like a white sheet from heaven, spread out by it’s four corners. Peter saw this 3 times and each time the Lord said: “Peter, arise, slay, and eat.” Peter said that he couldn’t because he had never eaten anything that wasn’t concidered clean. God said: “What I have called clean, thou shalt not call unclean.” This means pigs too, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Munir Munshey

          Indeed Coal miner, it should be.

          The bible says there was a difference of opinion about it. A debate raged about it. We know what Paul thought. We know what Paul said others thought. We do not know what others thought, straight from them. We know Paul and James had a falling out. We know what Paul said was the reason. We do not know what James said about it. We know what Paul said, James said about it.

          So also about circumcision!

          • http://naver samurai

            What a wondering rant! Can you be more specific? I read that there was a difference of opinion between Paul and Barnabus, but where do you get James? Paul and Barnabus had a difference of opinion about where to go and who to take with them. No big deal! It’s just like the difference of opinion between a radical and moderate muslim cleric. OOOOOPS! I forgot, there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • wallwatcher1

    I support this pastor. He reminds me of what happened in the Book of Acts when Apostle Paul preached, people destroyed their pagan books & idols by burning them. As someone else mentioned, we see our flag & effigies burned almost DAILY for years, Christians killed, churches destroyed, Bibles burned in muslim nations. It doesn’t matter how many muslims there are in the world, their belief is WRONG & Christians are supposed to tell them that fact. This is about taking a stand, I support this pastor and pray for him.

    • slickporsche

      If you truly support him, you must also burn at least one copy yourself.

    • essie

      right! find that in Acts 19:19 and the next verse- So mightily grew the Word of God and prevailed. So yes, maybe God will bless us and rid us of the terrorists! Should we as families, or communities have our own little roast?

      • Kaye

        Yes, Essie.

      • Granny Mae

        good idea. I got mine ! and I’m ready to burn !

    • Munir Munshey

      Ironically, that is exactly what the Muslims believe: Christianity is wrong, no matter how many Christians are in this world, and Muslims are there to tell them that they are wrong, and that God does not have a son!

      • http://naver samurai

        He also doesn’t have a false prophet named mohammed either!

        • Munir Munshey

          Of course the proponents of a false religion will call other religion false.

          • Andy Howey

            Like Islam?!?!

          • http://naver samurai

            I challenge you to tell me what passage, or passages, in the Bible are false. Darn! Crickets, only crickets! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Munir Munshey

            You talk about one?

            The scholars have identified 1000s of such errors. There are several website devoted to the subject. I am sure you know.

            My personal favorite:

            Christians say Jesus is the son of God. Don’t you agree that his genealogy would be the shortest: Jesus son of God. there! Done!

            But the bible provides to provide the genealogy that has 44 names.

            As if that is not enough, the bible gives another genealogy. This one has 22 or so names and only 4 names are common in the two genealogy.

            Also,

            One says his grandfathers name was heli, the other genealogy has another name.

            Aren’t you guys a little bit curious?

            Jesus has one father, God!
            Jesus has two grandfathers?

            So Jesus’ father, God, has a father who was a human?

            How gross is that!

          • Jana

            samurai,
            This is what happens when someone who listens to liars tries to tell you what is in the word.
            Munir has no comprehension as his eyes are closed to the things of the One True God. What he is saying is so easily explained, but to keep bantering back and forth with such an infidel would be casting our pearls before swine. This is what God calls him, swine.

          • http://naver samurai

            First of all, I agree with you Jana. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot. Never saw this person on this posting site before. He must be getting paid to say this crap to a bunch of God fearing patriots!

            Second, Munir you just didn’t make any sense at all! As far as I’m concerned, lineage don’t mean anything outside of royalty. You know, the first born is next in line for the throne, then the second, third, etc, so what is your point of all these useless and baseless rantings?

            Third, be careful with what you say. I went to Afghanistan and Iraq and took the lives of many terrorists and murderers there. I was in the top 10 in body count and my platoon was too (Dragon Slayers, 2/152 Mech Inf). We were also awarded for no collateral damage during our whole 1 year tour. I guess you can say that God helped us take out the bad guys and spared the innocent ones. FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

          • Munir Munshey

            Easily explained?

            Are you kidding?

            It is your scholars who say, “It is a mystery”.

            If it was explainable even with difficulty, it would not be a mystery!

            So go on, take a shot.

            Explain how God might die?

          • Jana

            Munir,
            God can’t die. Only your god died. Muhammad (pigs blood be on his grave), the peophile.

            Jesus ROSE AGAIN, he defeated death, and bruised the heal of satan, your god.

          • Munir Munshey

            Jana, more insults!

            You reply, but you do not answer. So you must insult. Fine!

            Jesus rose, but he had to die first, right? For three days? Please explain how God can stay dead for even a split second.

            You say Jesus defeated death, after death overwhelmed him for three days?
            Do you even get the point? There is a lapse of logic in your theology.

            STEP ONE: God is immortal. STEP TWO: You say Jesus was God. STEP THREE: Jesus, the God, died.

            Your Explanation: Oh but God died only for three days.

            Your dogma mandates that God MUST DIE! A human death just would not atone for the original sin.

          • Munir Munshey

            “ineage don’t mean anything”, you say.
            You must wonder then why does the bible give the genealogy of Jesus. And not one but two, one of them obviously false!
            If you were God fearing, you would not say God died, or God had a son or Jesus was God. Do you not think? Why would God need a son? He is immortal. Mortals need sons, mortals copulate, and mortals have sons. God does not need a son, for God would not die; God did not copulate, and God does not have a son.

            Just ponder!

            If God had a son once, then that opens the possibility that God may have another son, or may be a daughter this time. Two thousand years is enough time between babies, don’t you think?

            If God had a son, does it not open the possibility that some day he would have a grandson, or granddaughter, not to mention a daughter in law, or the son in law.

            Logical that, right?

          • Andy Howey

            Munir: “there! Done!” Well, nanny-nanny, boo-boo to you, too. Your comment doesn’t prove anything except how ignorant you are of Christian theology. Joseph wasn’t Jesus’ biological father — he was his adoptive father. Mary conceived of the Holy Spirit, who is the third person of the Holy Trinity (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit) to become the mother of God the Son (second person of the Holy Trinity).

            Is I tried to explain earlier, Jesus (God the Son) came down from Heaven to becom human in order to experience the human condition in order to be able to offer the perfect sacrifice for our sins. We don’t need to slaughter goats or sheep in sacrifice as Muslims do during Hajj — our sacrifice has been made.

          • Jana

            Munir,
            Jesus Christ came IN THE FLESH to show man how to live, and to show man that it was possible to live a life without sin. Jesus Christ the SON OF GOD was the only one that ever lived without sin and blameless. He laid down His life as a sacrifice so that we no longer had to offer up animal sacrifices for the remission of our sins.
            John3:16 says,”For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
            Munir this means even you.
            Yes, Jesus died on the cross, but it was only His flesh body that died. His spirit did not die, during those 3 days Jesus went to sheol and was ministering to those souls that had lived in earlier ages. Even you know that our spirits do not die as you have hopes of going to heaven one day. Flesh certainly doesn’t go to heaven. our spirit also known as soul goes to heaven.

            You say over and over I have not answered you, but you haven’t answered Andy Howey, Samurai or me on things we have asked you. All you want to do is a useless debate. You are blind to the truth and have done nothing but distort scripture and show your ignorance of the Bible. you are disgracing yourself.
            You claim I am throwing insults at you, and you think you have been blameless of throwing insults and threats? That is all you have done on this site, which proves who it is you serve, satan.

  • Warrior

    And the MSM can’t wait to show us the reactions from the other side. Anyone wish to bet on many video’s showing American flag burning are aired over the weekend?

    • Granny Mae

      Let them burn the flag, I will make another and I will burn their flag !

  • PJ

    Yes, Jana! I say if this one pastor can cause such wrath and fear, then there is no place for Islam in America. I believe building a mosque at Ground Zero is an act of dominance by Islam and allowing it to be built for the sake of peace is submission to Islam. We will be bending to the will of the Muslims, no matter how repulsive the act of building the mosque to the families of 9/11 is. Tolerance goes BOTH ways. If this puts our troops in more danger, bring them home. We cannot bring Muslim countries into the present, because they insist on living in the past. It is time to start caring for Americans first. We can no longer afford to support the rest of the world above our own. Take care of the homeless and hungry here first. If Muslim Americans cannot tolerate one man burning the Koran, then they do not belong here.

    • Andy Howey

      Amen to that. Leave the Muslims to their own devices as long as they stay in their own part of the world. If they want to be in our country, then they need to tolerate our beliefs and ideals. Tolerance is a two-way street. If one group repeatedly demonstrates that they will not tolerate the beliefs and ideals of another (or any other) group, then why should tolerance be extended to them. If the Muslims don’t want to tolerate us, then they don’t need to be here.

      • Kaye

        Andy, the problem is that they don’t stay in their own part of the world. They are doing their brand of evangelization which means that any country they settle in they consider owned by Islam.

      • Munir Munshey

        25% of the Muslims are white or black or Latinos, just like an average American. They do wish to stay in their part of the world, which is America. They need to build places of worship. Would you still say that to your daughter, if she comes to you one day and says, ” Dad, Mom … I am … now a Muslim”.

        • http://naver samurai

          Ask her what was smoking and smack her behind!

        • Andy Howey

          Munir: I wouldn’t have to worry about my daughter becoming a muslim — she knows that that ideology is evil.

        • Jana

          Munir,
          What would you say to your daughter if she came to you and said she was a Christian? Or wanted to even marry a Christian? Tell the truth now. oh, I forgot you have taqiyya and don’t have to.

          • http://naver samurai

            Munir can’t answer a simple question? I think the question was too difficult for him. Maybe we should try using easier words next time. Me included. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Munir Munshey

            Implying perhaps that your English is better.

            Remember now! Gone forever are the days when you could say that about a Muslim in America.

            Not any more. Now the Muslims are many a times the regular Americans with intimate knowledge of the Christian life. Like I said, the next Muslim in America might just be your daughter. I know the thought displeases you.

            The world has changed.

            The world in which you were born was much different from the world in which you shall die!

          • Jana

            Munir,
            More threats munir? Let me show you the bottom of my foot. I will not cast my pearls before swine.

          • Munir Munshey

            Threats?

            So enamored are you with this temporary, transient life, that a mere reminder that you are a mortal, and shall die, makes you scream, “Threat!”
            Yet, Your God died? He is immortal and yet died?

          • http://naver samurai

            Munir, have you been dipping into the kool aid again? God didn’t die on the cross, JESUS DID! So much for knowing our Bible. Another thing, why haven’t you answered my question? What would you do if your daughter came home one day and said she was a christian? She told you that your faith is wrong? What if she married a christian and got pregnant by her husband, what would you do? If you are a true muslim and follower of Muhammed, you’ll probably end up killing her for these actions. Remember, you all treat women as property and not equals. Take your load of crap somewhere else, we’re not buying it! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Munir Munshey

            Jana,

            You are calling me a swine, right?

            Fine, insults need to be shrugged off.

            Please read your scriptures again! Jesus said that to a woman, after he asserted that he was sent only for the Jews, and the woman was not a Jew.

            That is how much you have played around with your Scriptures!

            A prophet of God, (God or the son of God according to you) would keep the “pearls of wisdom” from someone just because she was not a Jew?

            God, the Creator of that poor woman, would imply that she was a Dog?

            And make up your mind. Was Jesus sent for the whole world, or just the Jews?

          • Jana

            You are calling me a swine, right?

            Fine, insults need to be shrugged off.

            Please read your scriptures again! Jesus said that to a woman, after he asserted that he was sent only for the Jews, and the woman was not a Jew.

            That is how much you have played around with your Scriptures!

            A prophet of God, (God or the son of God according to you) would keep the “pearls of wisdom” from someone just because she was not a Jew?

            God, the Creator of that poor woman, would imply that she was a Dog?

            And make up your mind. Was Jesus sent for the whole world, or just the Jews?

            Munir,

            Yes you act like a swine, you talk like a swine, you beome a swine oink oink.
            Its VERY evident you don’t know the scriptures, and you can’t ever understand the scriptures because you are BLIND to the Truth.
            You say insults are to be shrugged off? You obviously can’t shrug off these truths that you are nothing but a swine. You call the Jews a swine, but actually you have identified yourselves by your own actions.
            Are you being paid to be on this site by your lying propagandists leaders?
            I don’t or won’t shrug off what you say because I know and have been taught by the Holy Scriptures that you are twisting the TRUE WORD OF GOD like satan does and therefore you have been taught by him and are acting on his behalf.

          • Munir Munshey

            Samurai,

            You say God did not die, Jesus did!

            Then you say Jesus was God!

            So make up your mind!

            If Jesus was God, how could God die?

            If Jesus was not, then the original sin has not been paid for!

          • http://naver samurai

            What about the fable of Muhammed? When he died, was “so-called” ascended into heaven where the temple on the mount is in Jerusalem. Gee, now where have I heard about someone doing that? Oh yea, the Bible. Jesus ascended into heaven and not this killer, thief, child molester, Muhammed. How could he have done that, when his bones are still here on earth? Jesus ascended into heaven, but where is his bones? Where is his marked grave so I can go see his bones for myself? Answer, there are no bones to look at. Muhammed was nothing but a liar from the start and continues to be that way today. FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            Munir, I answered this for you above but will reitierate.Jesus came in the flesh, and He sacrificed Himself in the FLESH. His souls or spirit did not die.
            But if you know anything , you would know that much. Therefore all you are doing is trying to cause some poor person that does not know the Truth to be as confused and lost as you are.

          • http://naver samurai

            You’re right about the world being different when I die. This country will seek to get rid of things not true (like the koran), libs, commies, gay lovers, etc. It’ll also seek to get rid of the one’s who worship a false faith, like you. This nation is a Christian nation and will never be the nation of muhammed. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Andy Howey

            Amen, Samurai. I’m 100% in agreement with you.

          • http://naver samurai

            Thank you, Andy. Let’s keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! I’m also glad to have other patriots here, because it can be somewhat tiring fighting these idiots on this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Andy Howey

          Munir: In one of your other posts, you claimed that Islam came to America on the Mayflower. There is a full list of the passengers available on the Internet. Which of those people was/were Muslim? Hmmmm? Another example of Islam trying to co-opt something to which it doesn’t have a legitimate right.

          • Jana

            Andy,
            You are so right, Islam cannot go forth without lies. Plus it is their mandate to lie.

    • http://aol wayne a

      PJ,you’re right.last week there was a former muslim terrorist turned christian that was being interviewed.he said that by building the mosque near ground zero,it was a victory dance for them.he said in accordance with their beliefs,that was one of their motives but he also said that their ultimate goal is to establish muslim rule throughout the world.even a 18 yr old friend of my son’s who is here visiting us from turkey,who is a muslim,said that they shouldn’t build the mosque near ground zero with all the problems and hard feelings it has caused.he even said there has to be more, to them insisting to build it there and not some alternate sight.

  • Patriot007

    When the Muslims invaded Europe and people were being killed and property confiscated in the name of the demon-”god” Allah and his false prophet Mohammed, I’m certain the Christians of that era sounded alot like these opinions I’m reading. Fear our retibution is the Muslim message. I say, Man UP! We’re Americans not cowards. These people routinely oppress Christians, destroy Christian Churches and kill converts to Christianity (coverts out of volition, not coersion). They routinely denounce Christian tenants of faith, why should I care if they are offended, I’m way past that. It is the Muslim people that need to do a better job of defining whast they stand for. I may not be interested in burning a Koran or any other book, but there’s nothing wrong with this preacher doing what he thinks is a statement regarding the 911 attack. If we don’t exercise our liberties, Hillary Clinton, Obama, Pelosie and the Obama biased Media will shame us into practising and expressing Christian faith in a closet with fear, just as our Muslim friends claiming ‘peace and tolerance” want. what nonsense.

    • Chris McCoy

      You mean when the Muslims invaded Spain and headed Northward AFTER the Christians had slaughtered countless Muslims in the Crusades and then killed thousands of Jews during the inquisition of Spain? Yeah, those Muslims certainly couldn’t feel justified saving the Spanish population from an oppressive and torturing radical faith spreading across Europe called Christianity could they?

      And for the guy mentioning Palestinians and all the crimes of Hamas and Fatah…both sides in that conflict have been slaughtering each other for 4000 years. We can’t even figure out which side started it. After millenia of bloodshed it no longer matters. Israelis recently entered Gaza to stop the Quassam rockets that had killed a dozen civilians. They killed hundreds of innocent civilians while killing Hamas soldiers. Both sides have justification.

      Bottom line all these little justifications have ZERO affect on the point at hand. Do our morals allow us to burn the holy book of another people for the sole purpose of offending and intimidating them? I would say no. Christianity doesn’t allow for that.

      All I am going to say.

      • Granny Mae

        Chris

        You got a lot of things a$$ backwards. Reread your history when it comes to the crusades and as for the inquisisan it wasn’t just Jews that were killed so were Christians! Catholics come to mind !

        • http://naver samurai

          You’re right Granny! Many people were killed for just having a copy of the Bible. Many were killed because only the priest can have a Bible and it can only be house in the church. These were the beliefs of the Catholics during those dark days. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Barbara

    Book Burnings remind me of Nazi Germany. I don’t see what this accomplishes except that the pastor who engineered this event gets a ton of publicity. BUT I SUPPORT HIS RIGHT TO DO IT!

    Note that Imam Rauf is now trying to hold Americans hostage by saying that there will be violence in the middle east if the ground zero mosque doesn’t get built. I say, bring it on! We can not bow to threats. If the Muslims in the Middle East engage in violence over either the book burning or the ground zero mosque we should start a ban Islam/Muslims in America protest and get our laws changed so that there will be no mosques in America – their religion is totally against everything America stands for.

    Oh, btw, did you know that the ground zero mosque is victory marker #3? Yes it is, Shanksville’s memorial park (flight 93 went down on 9/11 there) is a crescent moon that aligns directly with Mecca. While the arhictect denies any connection with Islam symbolism, there’s no denying that this is Victory Marker #2 and the mosque installed in the pentagon is victory marker #1. THE NEWS MEDIA WON’T EVEN TOUCH THIS STORY. YOU CAN GET IT BY GOOGLING SHANKSVILLE AND MEMORIAL PARK DESIGN AND SEE FOR YOURSELF!

    STOP THE MOSQUE AND THE MEMORIAL PARK!

    • Raggs

      Exactly!!! The mosque will show the world radical islam has conquered the US.

      But the obama and company pitty islam…

    • Patricia Smith

      Barbara there is also a Mosque at the Pentagon. Just found this out when all the news broke about ground zero.

      • Jana

        Partricia,
        From what I understand there really isn’t a ‘Mosque’, but a room set aside for them to go into and worship. However, remember when they go worship they must wash their feet so I would imagine there would be foot washing basins around too.
        Everyone must, and has to go to a lot of trouble for them and their rights, meanwhile our rights not only as Christians, but as individula citizens keeps diminishing.

        • Patriot007

          that’s so the Muslim in Cheuif won’t have to rtravel to far to face Mecca 3 times a day and show his posterior to the West. LOL!

          • Munir Munshey

            They do not have to travel anywhere. Wherever they happen to be, they face Mecca at the time of prayer, which is 5 times a day and not 3. Why should anyone have objection to people praying?

          • http://naver samurai

            Munir, why should people be told which direction to face and how many times a day to pray?

          • Munir Munshey

            Samurai,
            Jesus was told to pray. Jesus prayed to his God and your God. That is what the bible says he said. He prayed regularly in a prescribed manner. The bible says so. He raised his hands in prayers, sat down, and even prostrated. The bible says all that. Jesus taught you, and the early followers prayed regularly certain number of times a day. The chapter in the bible, ACTS says so.

          • http://naver samurai

            Munir, here you greatly err.
            1. Acts is a book and not a chapter.
            2. Yes, Jesus did pray. He prayed because he wanted to, not because some false prophet said when and how to do it.
            3. Jesus didn’t have to face a certain direction.

            Understand now? FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

          • Munir Munshey

            Jesus was told, for sure. The bible says so. Jesus himself says so.
            He said he always did what his God told him to do. He taught his followers the exact words in which to pray. The Lord’s prayer! That definitely was not in English since English did not exist back then.

            You do not have a Gospel “according to Jesus”. Out of the hundreds of Gospels in existence, some human beings, after they were deluded into accepting three Gods, chose 4 out of 100s of Gospels.

            That is history. You know it.
            The Gospel of Phillip, the gospel of James (Jesus brother), The Gospel of Mary, the gospel of Thomas were all written by those who intimately knew Jesus. These Gospels exist even now. Luke was not even born when Jesus lived. Luke says so himself in the very first paragraph.

            Paul never saw Jesus. You believe them.

            As for the direction, you cannot prove that Jesus did not pray in any one direction. Does anything in the bible specifically says that they prayed haphazardly, in all directions?

          • http://naver samurai

            Munir, I think it’s time for you to get back into your rehab program.

          • http://naver samurai

            Wrong answer Munir. According to islam, you must make a pilgramige to Mecca at least once during your lifetime. We don’t have to go to Israel, Rome, etc., during our lifetime. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Kaye

      It is none of any other nation’s business what American citizens do in their own land. How dare those Islamic countries decry the actions of Rev. Terry Jones or any other American.
      It’s none of their business!

      • Munir Munshey

        What about the American Muslims? Do they have the right to decry the actions of pastor Jones, or his namesake, Jim Jones?

        • http://naver samurai

          Do they have the right to decry the names of al quedq, hamas, taliban, etc? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Raggs

    The way I see it…

    They burn the American flag… So to put it plainly there is no reason for all of this hogwash over someone burning the koran….

    If the muslims do not like what we do or how we live they can get the hell out of this country.

    • eddie47d

      No, Some of us are only tired of the continued wars over religion and you are helping to keep the fires burning.I won’t deny that the Muslims are being bold and moving into Europe and elsewhere and that scares folks. But the Crusades are over and these Crusades did far more harm than good (Most Crusaders could have cared less about being a Christian and some were looters and mercenaries) I believe some folks want to relive the “glory days” of the 12th century.Let’s keep to our senses and keep our Christian values intact without demonizing others.

      • slickporsche

        You need to go immediatly to the emergency room and see if they can save your life. I personally do not see what they could do for you, as your are dying of Dumbness,(brainrot).

        • eddie47d

          You kind of proved what I was saying and lack Christian morals to boot.

          • http://aol wayne a

            what kind of morals does the radical muslims have?

        • http://naver samurai

          Actually it’s diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain!

          • eddie47d

            That’s immaterial <What kind of morals do you have? Revenge might feel good but we already got our 50lbs. of flesh. How much more will satisfy you?

      • Kaye

        Eddie,
        You are a blind fool.

        • Granny Mae

          Kaye,

          I wish I could figure out where this guy is coming from? He is so off the wall at times I wonder if he is sane !

      • http://naver samurai

        Well, edduh, most of the muslims I had to fight were terrorists, cowards, and suicide bombers, so what’s your point? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Munir Munshey

      Would you say that to your daughter, if she had decided to convert and be a Muslim? She does have a right over this country, does she not?

      • http://naver samurai

        You already posted this crap before!

  • David

    Forget the “pastor”, he’s ignorant. No media, and I mean NO media, should cover his demonstration of hate, fear, and ignorance.

    • Patricia Smith

      David: If I had this unholy book I would set up my BBQ pit near the street invite people to help me burn pages take pictures and put them up on youtube. Know Why? I HAVE THE RIGHT, and I want to KEEP THAT RIGHT.

      • Granny Mae

        good for you. I would too! And I do know the constitution ! I keep a copy of it in my living room all the time !

    • http://naver samurai

      Spoken like an atheist or someone who doesn’t know our Constitution.

  • John

    Here are the facts about Islamic tolerance:
    Non-Muslims are Not Allowed Inside of Mosques because they Will Defile and Desecrate the Mosque.
    Muslims are Teaching their Children that Non-Muslims are Pigs and Apes that Must be Slaughtered, Sold as Slaves or Converted to Islam.
    Islam is a Totalitarian Theo-Political System that Seeks World DOMINATION.
    Islam is Very Similar to Nazism and Hitlers Mein Kampf is a Top Seller in Most Muslim Nations.
    QUOTED FROM THE QURAN OF ISLAM WHICH IS TAUGHT IN EVERY MOSQUE
    Oppose and admonish those who refuse to follow Muhammad. 4:63
    The hypocrites refuse to die for Allah and Muhammad. 4:66
    Those who obey Allah and Muhammad are favored by Allah. They are the best company. 4:69
    Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74
    Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 4:76
    Allah casts the hypocrites back to disbelief. Don’t try to guide those that Allah sends astray. 4:88
    Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
    If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91
    The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101
    Relent not in pursuit of the enemy. They have no hope from Allah. 4:104
    Allah will not allow disbelievers to succeed against believers. 4:141
    You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don’t are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 4:150-151

    • Patricia Smith

      We should be very afraid

      • eddie47d

        Only if YOUR faith isn’t strong.

        • Yvan

          Eddie – Who are you, the re-incarnation of Jesus?

        • http://naver samurai

          Describing yourself edduh?

          • eddie47d

            Sure isn’t, my problem child. I have been going to church for 60 years. Do you practice Christs’ teachings? I’m not sure with some of you’re previous comments, so stay tuned.

          • http://naver samurai

            You’ve been going to church for 60 years, that’s good! But it doesn’t seem so with the stuff you also have posted. Please look in the mirror before looking at others edduh! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            You seem to live by the sword instead of by God’s word in a few of your posts.

          • http://naver samurai

            You also edduh! I fully support this pastor’s actions and hope that we can do more. I think, in my opinion, that the pastor has the freedom of speech and religion which make it legal for him to do this. Edduh, if you wish to do so, read I and II Kings in the Old Testiment and see what they did to false gods. They torched their temples, burned their books, tore down their idols, and even slayed the priests. I believe in doing all of these things, except the slaying part. I had too much of that in my life already. It’s no different than when they do these things to christians or Americans. I’m tired of you libs crying out about rights under the Constitution, but if someone does something different you go and have a tizzy fit. If these fools have the right to build a mosque at ground zero, then he has the right to burn the false teachings of a false faith. You can’t have it both ways! Is your name really edduh or is it John Kerry? You flip flop so much that you seem to be him. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Jim H.

        Patricia, I don’t think we should be afraid as much as we just need to be aware and prepared.

        • Claire

          Jim H — I know I am not afraid. There is no way I will ever “bend” to their will. Never.

      • dan az

        only if your a muslim!

        • Claire

          dan az — Agreed.

    • Kaye

      John,
      It’s interesting you brought up that non-Muslims are not allowed in mosques. Have you noticed how many photographs there are of our “glorious president” inside mosques? Have you noticed how he bows to various and sundry Islamic Middle Eastern leaders? Have you noticed that his name is Barach Hussein Obama? Pulleese! This guy is patently a Muhammadan.

  • J.M.R.

    you don’t win a war by being the nice guy so burn them, kill the hog on the proposed site. this country is becoming a lousy nanny country that everyone walks all over us and i’m sick of it. we done more for the world people than any other country. then we are suppose to take this sh– from from the radicals.

  • az wayne

    Why do we allow or pay any attention to anyone who uses such asinine jibberish? Is there a spec of common sense anywhere in this country? Thye use whatever portions of our constitution, religious ethics, to beat us to death in their crusade to take over America. Will we ever defend anything we were founded on? They have been working and planning for years to get this done and most Americans had to much apathy in the name of good. If we were smart everybody who can find one or more would burn them. We don’t need the media blitze just find and burn, we would be on track. When they don’t like what we do they can go back to their third world area and love their lies. Don’t claim religious liberty it’s a political cult, recognize it.

  • Bob Wire

    What might be the “upside” of such an “act”?

    This Statement of Contempt?

    As for myself, ~ I create things and then destroy them, by demanding them to work in an effort to understand how to “build better” It’s through such a process of finding the weak points in design anything becomes “durable” and reliable.

    If these/some Muslims might come “undone” over such an act, it is best to know it now and exactly which ones it might effect ~”IF” the present plan continues ~ and that plan is, for the rest of the world citizens are to “share” this world with the Muslim community.

    General Petraeus and his men have a hard job to do and it’s concerning he feels this important enough to weigh in on the matter. But on this matter I feel the “need to know” greater then making his job easier.

    I don’t care to share a world with a people that “might come unhinged” and hurt or kill other people over such an act by one pastor. ~ do you?

    As we(Americans) continue to invest in the Middle East and even accept immigration to our shores and their numbers grows, forces the question to be addressed.

    Is the social fabric we weave today to be that delicate that it might “be ripped” by such an act of contempt?

    We need to know the answer to that question TODAY! and not tomorrow.

    I have little interest in kissing their “collective ass” just to maintain the peace. I don’t wish future Americans to live in such a fearful manner. To allow it to go unchecked, it’d only get worse with the passing of time.

    These people are in the wrong place, the wrong time and need to return home if they wish to “explode” over issues of God and Faith.

    America is not big enough for such notions and offer a bright future to “all” Americans.

  • Charlie Delta

    Hey, Charlie Delta here. So here’s how this emotionally-charged media frenzy will play out in six, well-designed acts (just like a play)…

    Act 1: The pastor will have his book burning on the 11th.

    Act 2: Then, a handful of extremist muslims will denounce the act and perhaps burn bibles or US flags.

    Act 3: There will be a false flag attack on US soil or against US troops in the US in September and the “intelligence” reports will point to Iranian muslim extremists, even though the attack will have been designed, developed, and deployed by well-financed intelligence assets.

    Act 4: The media will play it up like the whores they are and get the American people angry and want to go to war with Iran. Israel will be overjoyed because, after all, they won’t be doing the dirty work.

    Act 5: The masses attention will turn away from the economic collapse occurring in the US, the skyrocketing unemployment rates, Obama’s corrupt administration towards yet another unsubstantiated war that will continue to enrich the international bankers, defense contracting companies, and their political and lobbyist cronies. Needless to say, this dramatically impact this election season where no matter who gets elected or re-elected, the American people will still end up losing.

    Act 6: Blame will ultimately be pointed at the pastor (by the same media whores in Part 4 above) for causing ALL this to happen, which is comical when you actually stop to think about it because this is EXACTLY the innocuous catalyst the ‘powers that be” have been waiting for. Because of this, more useless laws meant to be “for the greater good” and for our “protection” will be enacted in the US – further reducing US citizens’ Constitutional rights (which we are sadly finding these days to be more privileges than rights).

    * Note – This is just part of a massive psychological operation to condition people in the US and the world for increased turmoil over the next two years because governments (more specifically political “leaders”) are really starting to to fear the people. As they rightfully should.

    Of course, I certainly hope NONE of the events above happen and everybody goes on their merry way.

    But if you step back and look at how historical events have unfolded in the past – this scenario playing out like I have mentioned makes complete sense.

    In the end, no matter what happens – remember to watch out for yourself and your loved ones, and protect what’s rightfully yours. That’s how good-natured people have gotten this far throughout history, and it’s how we’ll continue on the road ahead.

    Charlie Delta signing off…

    • Warrior

      And ACT 7 is, this all takes place before Nov 2 and the elections have to be postponed Indefinitely.

      • David in Ma.

        Nope, it will give obama reason to suspend the constitution and declare martial law……coup complete, welcome to another u.n. socialist/communist “state” .

        one world government under a new world order……………evertone is poor and enslaved, “for their own good.”

    • Kaye

      Charlie Delta,
      I don’t think we should go to war overseas. On the contrary, we need to go to war at home.

    • Darrell Haynes

      Thank you Charlie Delta,I enjoyed the reality check from you statements.

  • Mona

    This man, like so many pastors, doesn’t sound like men of God. Just another trouble maker. I only know one Muslim, and she is a decent person that dresses like American’s. She has better morals than most people I know. There is good decent people in most religions and there is no need to offend them. I hope the good Muslim people see this man as just another nut that is trying to get some kind of attention and just ignore him. Someone will get hurt because of the fanatical Muslims. This so called pastor doesn’t seem to care.

    • Jana

      Mona,
      So lets all hide our head in the sand (like the Jews did in Germany) and hope it will be all right. God did not call us to hide our light, He has called us to stand. And, stand we will. Islam is not a religion of peace, but it was made by a man Muhammad who was a pedophile, as he married a 6 yr old girl when he was in his 50′s, and waited till she was 8 to consumate the marriage. Again this religion is made by man, for men, and against women, as well as serving a false god.
      People get all bent out of shape for me saying this, but when you know the history of Islamism, and study the Qur’an and the Hadith, as well as study the Bible and I don’t mean read the watered down versions of the Bible, but actually become a student of the Word of God, and get to know God and Who He is and What He stands for and the history of His people, then you can easily discern truth from false.

      • http://naver samurai

        Well said, fellow patriot! Let’s keep up the good fight! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://aol wayne a

      MONA,how is this any differnt than them building the mosque near ground zero even though 74% of the Americans are against it? besides how do you know what’s behind the preacher doing this or if he’s a good christian or not? in fact,i agree with him!

  • http://domesticpartnership Forcaster

    When the tolerance is one sided and pointed at being noticed with clothing identification for a religious government system we are in trouble and will loose our constitutional rights. Our identity will be removed and we will worship five times a day to honor a dead deluted prophet who has brought death and slavery to millions. But I guess thats tolerance. That however doesn’t justify the burning of the Koran’s which may more be done to confuse us by liberals in the background.

    • Kaye

      Forecaster,
      Don’t you think that’s a little paranoid? Liberals in the background? Conspiracy theory?

  • eddie47d

    Are the Muslims TOO Strong in faith and are we jealous of their convictions? Some of you are playing into their extremism’s and advocate the same. Most Muslims want to join the 21st century but their governments won’t allow it. We should be very thankful for our freedoms but very tolerant of Muslims who share in our values.Like most immigrants who have come to America they wanted to get away from their intolerant governments. I think we can make it clear that Sharia law will not be accepted in America and that should be made clear immediately. Since this Pastor Terry is knowingly advocating violence(yes it will happen)should he be charged with high crimes if that does happen? Will you make him a Martyr? Thousands of Afghans died because the Taliban supported alQaeda .Shouldn’t someone be punished IF support for this pastor gets out of hand? We all have to think of the consequences when standing up for right or wrong. I wouldn’t physically stop this pastor but I say he is wrong.No less than the Whahabis of Saudi Arabia. Two wrongs don’t make anything right.

    • http://aol wayne a

      EDDIE,the preacher and his followers are not promoting violence! next,our constitution guarantees them the right to burn the koran,just like the constitution guarantees them the right to build mosque.

    • Kaye

      Eddie,
      That’s just the train of thought Europe had when they admitted the Muslims enmass. Check out their troubles now.
      There is a fundamental difference in Western in Middle Eastern values and thought-processes. A poet once said, “East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet.”

  • Gerry

    the Muslim faith should be declared a cult and against all america stands for.

  • Viktor Leben

    Pastor Jones said God wants him to burn the Koran.

    If God wants Pastor Jones to burn the Koran, who are we to judge ? Let God’s will be done !

    • eddie47d

      And you know this,how? This pastor could be a dangerous charlatan and there is no proof that he isn’t.

    • Jana

      Viktor, I agree wholeheartedly. eddie, how do you know it isn’t God’s will?
      If bad things happen because of this, then it may just be happening to wake up a stupid and soddish people—us, who are just twiddling our thumbs while our rights are being taken away from us. If Muslims get so mad over this that they act up, and someone said they are burning the flag today because of it, then we need to be awakened to the evil of these people and put a stop to them NOW. WE are not cowards.

      • Munir Munshey

        There are many in the Psychiatric wards across the country who insist that God talked to them and told them things. Sane people know better.

        • Andy Howey

          Funny that you should bring that up, Munir. Isn’t that exactly what Mohammed claimed — that God spoke to him? By extension, wouldn’t you be accusing him of being insane?

          • Munir Munshey

            Andy, God spoke to Jesus also. True that?

            And to Moses. True?

            That is what the term “messenger” means.

          • Andy Howey

            Munir: You simply refuse to answer a direct question. You claim that anyone who says that God spoke to him or her is insane. Yet, you won’t answer the question about the sanity (or lack thereof) of Mohammed, who supposedly spoke to (or was spoken to by) God on many, many occasions. You are extremely inconsistent. Yes, God spoke to Jesus and Moses. However, I never made the claim that anyone who has conversations with God is insane — you did. The ball is in your court now, buddy. Was Mohammed sane or insane? If you say that Mohammed was sane, then you have to retract your claim that anyone who talks to God is insane.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry Munir, but you don’t need a messenger if you talk directly to someone, do you?

        • Jana

          Munir,
          That’s just because in your religion you don’t know what it’s like to have a personal relationship with God. You have to have your Imam tell you what to do and how to think.
          A Christian’s inspirations come from the The HOLY SPIRIT and its backed by the HOLY SCRIPTURES.
          You listen to your Imam which disgraces mankind by your abuse of small boys and women. In fact according to your religion very few women can even accomplish the goal of going to heaven. If you don’t like what a woman does you beat her, or throw acid on her or behead her.
          Your wariours think that they will be rewarded by many virgins when they get to heaven whish is a total mockery to God. There isn’t even going to be the giving and taking in marriage in heaven. God says He is no respector of persons, there won’t be male or female in heaven

          • Munir Munshey

            “abuse of small boys”?

            You should talk! You know fully well about the scandal in the church!

            The churches are going broke settling all the legal cases.

            If only you could stay on the topic

            How can God have a son? That is the question.

            You think the answer is that you have a personal relationship with God!

            Three personal relationships, you mean, right? One with each God!

          • Jana

            Munir,
            Your very words condemn you. You go in circles like a silly woman. If you were truly open to learning or wanting to know THE TRUTH this could be a teaching moment for you, however, you don’t, and you don’t even care. You are trying to lump all Christians into the Catholic Chruch which we are not, and not all priests have been pedophiles and the ones that are have been exposed and as you said become scandals. Unlike your people who love being pedophiles and even revere one of the biggest pedophiles Muhammad, (pigs blood on his grave)! Are all of you Sunnis? Or all of you Shiites? Is your heritage Africa, or Turkey or Bosnia?
            Get real munir and quit sounding like a silly woman.

          • Munir Munshey

            Jana,

            Your words condemn you!

            You are going around in circles.

            The TRUTH is God is ONE, only ONE; no wife, no partner, NO SON!

            You go around in circles: “Yes God is One, but …” says the THREE_GOD believers.

            ” but … God is three also”
            “But God has a son”

            You cannot stay on the subject; How can God die?

            You do not answer.

            The human sacrifice dogma mandates that you must believe in “trinity”, “Original sin”, “Blood Atonement”, “Jesus is God” etc.

            Even these words are not found in the bible.

            You believe in what you believe, not because of what the bible says, rather despite what it says.

            Islam invites you towards the TRUTH; God is One, period.

          • http://naver samurai

            You’re part right Munir. The Judeo-Christian is the only one and true God and Jesus is his son. That’s better than, there is no God but God, and Muhammed is his prophet. Gee, sounds nice elevating someone like Muhammed (murderer, rapist, thief, child molester) to a position of just under allah. Tell us some things that Muhammed has done that are greater then what Jesus has done, besides nothing. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Munir Munshey

            Samurai,

            Again you have nothing but insults!

            Nothing except repeating the insults and propaganda cooked up by the three God believing preachers against the believers of God, the One God!

            Don’t you ever think?

            You say the God of the jews and the God of the Christians is the one true God.

            Think again. The Jews called Jesus a bastard, and called his mother an adulteress.

            Think, please think! You say Jesus is God, and what do they say about your God?

            And not just the jews of the time of Jesus disparaged Jesus in that manner, even the Jews of the present day hold this view about Jesus. That is their official stand!

            You insult both Jesus and God when you say Jesus is God. The Quran you so loath elevates Jesus to the glory he truly deserves. The Quran reprimands all those who call Jesus names, and declares that Mary, his mother was a pious woman elevated by God over all other women of this world.

            I wish the scales would fall off your eyes some day. They would for sure when you die.

          • Jana

            Munshey,
            If that is the case, I quote you, “The Quran reprimands all those who call Jesus names, and declares that Mary, his mother was a pious woman elevated by God over all other women of this world.” then why are you disobeying your quran and your pedophile idol Muhammad (pigs blood on his grave).?

            You have been mocking Jesus through this whole segment. Shame on you.

          • Munir Munshey

            Jana,
            Your insult is being shrugged off again.
            It is you who mocks Jesus as well as God, when you say Jesus is God.
            Muslims restore glory back to Jesus and his mother.
            If you could ever set your prejudice aside and read the Quran, you will learn that it truly glorifies Jesus. Those who read the Quran may be surprised to learn that it is the only religious scripture, other than the Christian scriptures, that glorifies Jesus and Mary. Positively the only one!

          • http://naver samurai

            OK, Munir. Here are just some facts about you precious koran:

            1. Why allah hates infidels and what he has in store for them.
            2. There are many violent passages and worrisome language.
            3. Manditory warfare against non-believers.

          • http://naver samurai

            Islam has always been a lie, Munir. A big fat whopping one at that!

        • http://naver samurai

          I remember a person robert smith who said the same thing on a different posting. Just a thought. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Norm

      Viktor Leben
      God wants me to sell you the Brooklyn bridge. Pay up. You wouldn’t disobey God would you sucker?

      • http://naver samurai

        Bad analogy, norm! Bad analogy!

      • Viktor Leben

        Norm,

        Who did you buy it from ?

      • Jana

        Viktor,
        In what part of your microscopic brain do you even pretend to speak for God.
        God speaks to each individual person through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, which is confirmed by the standards of the Holy Scriptures.
        How dare you mock God.

  • alpha-lemming

    I know how to get around this. Don’t burn the Koran…

    Piss on it, take a big ol’ crap on it, put a nice frame around it and call a modern-art piece. And then place a pig-dung statue of Mohammed as a companion sculpture close by.

    I know all the lefties will get behind this because when the identical “objets d’art” were the Bible and the Virgin Mary, artistic expression was the be-all and end-all. Unless, of course, they’re hypocrits??? NAH….. they’ll start a movement to have it in MOMA by next weekend…. right next to the Maplethorpe Islamic-pedophilia photography exposition.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

      YOU GO ALPHA!

    • REJ

      The one thing Muslims can’t stand is pigs blood. Pour it on the Koran. It doesn’t matter what we do, good or bad, to these people of Allah (little g god). You will submit of be killed. Thus the meaning of Islam. Get your head out of the sand and wake up. Talk to an Israeli who has lived in it. I say lets poor pigs all over everything in this country!! I will not bend my knee to Islam!!!!!!

      • Gwen

        Saving America is as simple as becoming a country of pig farmers!
        But seriously, while I don’t personally think this plan was a good one – it endangers the lives of not only our military, but also the residents of Alachua county and the law enforcement personel there – we do need to be alert and paying attention. The radical muslems do not care one bit about our “freedom of religion” except in using it to overtake us and accomplish there purposes. We must understand they are on a quest to become the power of the world and they will destroy whomever gets in there way! But the answer always has been and still is the preaching of the Gospel of Christ. Even when it doesn’t look like it to us, God is still in control of the final outcome. If we are a child of the one true living God, we must reflect that in our daily life through faith, hope and charity while standing firm in the teachings of the Bible without allowing truth to be called by any other name in an attempt to silence it! Beware! There is a spiritual battle taking place on our Earth!

        • KDub

          Gwen:

          If this were not such a serious subject, your statement about the plan (the book burning) threatens life – would be hilarious in it’s blatantly obvious misplacement. Burning a book endangers nobody’s life. The crazy people that promise to kill us is what threatens life. Although rhetorical, my question is how have we gotten so confused as to think that the real threat lies in the man who recognizes that the person with a sword in his right hand, and a severed head in his left is a bad guy, and somehow miss the threatening guy with the severed head in his hand. Is this world backwards or what?

    • Chris McCoy

      You were obviously upset they allowed the deviant art against Christian symbolism Alpha…why would you be OK with someone doing it to another religion? They call that hypocrisy. Left or Right is irrelevant. You have to decide if you have values, and if you follow them when no one else is looking.

      • alpha-lemming

        Nope… they didn’t merely allow it… they CHAMPIONED it!! Just presenting THEM with the opportunity to show some consistency and the ability to display “equal treatment” to ALL religions.

        I won’t hold my breath because history has shown Animal Farm is alive and well and living with the progs. “All animals (religious tenets) are created equal, but some are more equal (to ridicule/belittlement) than others”.

  • Gerry

    In america if a murder is commited we hunt them down,and take them out of society,but in muslim countrys they aide and abbett [osama bin laden]They should hunt him down as a serial killer,and show the world there is muslims trying to coexist with christians.

  • Donna

    Obviously the pastor does care, or he would not be doing this. The Quran is far more dangerous than most people are led to believe, as is their so called “religion”. A few people on here understand that, others are very naive and gullible to think that these people and what they are being indoctrinated with is peaceful. It is a smokescreen. These people will befriend you and then slit your throat…. Many people are and will be deceived.

    • eci onci

      Donna, I agree completely with you comments. It seems to me that a general in our military who coalesces with the bad guys because he doesn’t want them to get pissed at us, is no general at all. He should have gone to the General “Blackjack” Pershing school. Search and read what Blackjack did to muslim terrorists at the beginning of the 20th century.

      • David in Ma.

        that general does not want to be obama’s next political victum.

        has anyone noticed that the generals under the “undocumented worker” obama, don’t last long?

  • David in Ma.

    BURN THE DAMN KORAN AND SCATTER THE ASHES IN A PIG PEN!!

    • Cliff

      Well said

  • Chris McCoy

    Sorry, but one either has a personal moral code or doesn’t. One lives by that code NO MATTER what others do. If Saudis burn Bibles, or a Muslim thinks women are dirty, or a Christian Church is burned, or someone collects money for Hamas…we should not change our values and do despicable things that go against our code.

    As Americans we respect other religions. If they break our laws they will be punished. If they obey the law they have full rights like everyone else. They can build a mosque anywhere legal. They should be able to walk the streets or turn on their TV without having hate directed at them because of the religion they choose. Only 2000 years ago members of another religion were prosecuted just for following Jesus Christ.

    These childish justifications that just because the child down the street did something, we should lose our moral base and respond in- kind is not smart. It’s not even Christian.

    • David in Ma.

      no, it has to stop somewhere, otherwise we are playing right into the muslim’s planned takeover of America.

      • Jana

        Chris,
        Your code may be pascifism, True Americans isn’t.
        No where in the Bible does it say we are not supposed to stand up for what is right. No where in the scriptures does it tell us to be afraid and run from any bully or allow ourselves to be taken over by a heathen peoples. In fact it is just the opposite.

        Do not try to apply your cowardice –code? on true Patriotic Americans.

        • http://naver samurai

          Very true Jana. As I posted before, Israel burned the temples and idols of the false gods inside their kingdom. It’s called cleansing. Maybe we should do the same here? God rewarded Israel for doing these things, so why wouldn’t he reward America? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            samurai,
            I think you are right. I am also thinking we all need to burn a copy of the Qur’an this Sunday.
            God has not changed His mind. He does not want us wandering around after false gods, nor after those who worship false gods. They are an abomination to the ONE TRUE GOD.
            They call us infidels, WHAT A LAUGH, they are the infidels.

          • http://naver samurai

            Right on, Jana. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • slickporsche

      Besides being somewhat full of pig poop, you are forgetting one very important fact. ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION,IT IS A “CULT”.

      • Andy Howey

        It’s not even a cult. It’s a political ideology with religious overtones. It’s very similar to communism in the former Soviet Union under Stalin (cult of personality).

      • Andy Howey

        Islam is not even really a cult, at least not a religious one. It is a political ideology with a veneer of religion. From what I’ve seen, Islam is very similar to communism in the former Soviet Union under Stalin (cult of personality).

      • Chris McCoy

        What Islam is is not important, who we are as Americans and our faith is important. If you don’t think Islam is a religion, fine. Then why would you lower your behavior to that of a non-religion? Why would you burn a holy book when that type of persecution was committed against Jews and Christians by the Romans (another “cult”)?

        My point remains the same. If you are a man/woman of faith, you follow your faith. Hatred, intimidation, and book burning aren’t Christian. They are Roman, Muslim, North Korean. Americans don’t do those sort of things, and protect others from this type of persecution.

        • Andy Howey

          I didn’t say that I would burn a Quran, or that the pastor who wants to so is right in his actions or intents. He does, however, have the constitutional right to do so, just like the Mexican illegals had the right to burn the flag on Cinco de Mayo. My point was that Islam is not a religion and should not be afforded the rights and courtesies that true religions receive.

          • Andy Howey

            Another point in response to your post: Muslims in the U.S. who break the law start crying religious persecution if anyone so much as tries to apprehend the offender, much less prosecute “him”. They use the persecution angle to put themselves above our laws.

          • Chris McCoy

            All the same Andy, the law is the law. They can whine all they want. If they did something wrong, they will go to jail. That’s why I’m not really worried about this supposed “Muslim takeover” I keep hearing about. Most Muslims don’t want or care about that. If they gain a majority they certainly can change some laws, but the Constitution is the constitution, and if they ever get to the point where they have converted enough of our children to change THAT, then obviously we haven’t done a good enough job teaching our kids about Christianity and following it’s REAL teachings. Firm, steady, belief is the best tonic to all that stupid “takeover” fear that is really unfounded. They can’t take over any nation unless their faith is stronger. Be a good Christian, Buddhist, or Hindu and they have no influence over you.

          • Jana

            Yes Chris,
            That’s what they thought in France and England, but look where it got them. They are fighting hard now to try and regain their countrys.

            It sure is odd how someone who is not a Christian always tries to tell Christians how they are supposed to act. You are just trying to control us. We do not listen to man, but to God. We have an instruction book from the TRUE GOD, not a phony one, and we don’t need any weak person telling Christians how to think or act.

          • Granny Mae

            Chris,

            I hate to tell you this but we are already in jepordy of loosing our constitution. It is being by passed almost everyday by the president and his cronies in office ! It is not being protected even by our elected senators and congressmen. No one is getting their courage up to stand up for this country even in Washington. It won’t take much for the Islamist to do their thing, simply because most of you will just sit back and say, we can’t do anything because they will hurt us ! Rest assured though there are a lot of very brave and patriotic people out there and they will do what it takes to save this country and your sorry ASS !

          • Norm

            Granny Mae
            So you want to protect the constitution by destroying it. Neat trick.

          • http://naver samurai

            Granny, never mind what norm says. We don’t!

          • Andy Howey

            Chris: How “all the same”? It’s a double standard. If a non-muslim commits a crime, he generally will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If a muslim does the same thing and starts crying “religious persecution”, then the ACLU gets involved, and the muslim is exonerated.

        • KDub

          There is nothing unchristian about burning a harlequin romance novel. A case could be make that is a Christian way of cleaning up the world. The koran is no more or less holy than the romance novel. The romance novel never inspired murder though…

          The world would be a better place if there were no koran in it, and a worse place if we couldn’t say that freely in the manner in which we see fit. I personally like the romance novel analogy, but burning is nice too.

          • Chris McCoy

            KDub I appreciate your opinion, but there are over 1 billion people worshiping Allah. Only about 100k of them are radical idiots, the other 990+ million are just trying to get through life like the rest of us. I’d say it qualifies as a religion by any standard definition.

            Those same 1 billion people view the Quran with all the reverence Christians view the Bible, so no matter your judgment of their faith, the point remains it’s religious bigotry and hate to burn another holy book. It certainly isn’t the way Christ would have dealt with it. He would have turned the other cheek. He would have walked into the heart of Islam and preached. He would have reasoned with their leaders. What he wouldn’t have done is return hate with hate.

            Does this pastor have the right to burn the Quran? Of course. Is it childish and un-Christian? Of course. Can we hold ourselves to a higher standard? Of course.

          • KDub

            Chris:

            With respect I submit that you did not appreciate my opinion, after you changed the subject to the merits of Allah worship – but that’s ok it may just belong in a different thread.

            I never said islam isn’t a religion – but even if all the people of Earth are converted, that will not make the koran holy. As for numbers, most accounts state that a mere 10% of the whole being ‘radical idiots’ That fraction therefore totals 1 million or more… That is a lot of idiots with murder on the brain, and I dare say a greater topic than one old man burning a book.

            and as for Jesus ‘walking into the heart of islam and preach’ hmmm and you think He would have survived that to make it to the Cross?…

            Besides, men didn’t dream up this allah thing for almost a thousand years after He was risen.

          • Jana

            KDub,
            Wow, now you are really showing your ignorance.

          • Granny Mae

            Chris,

            Where di you ever get the idea that Jesus would not have displayed anger but would have turned the other cheek? I think I remember that Jesus went into the Temple and cleaned house ! He slammed over tables and threw things around and chased the money changers out of the temple ! I don’t call that turning the other cheek ! He would be facing these idiots and telling them like it is. Get behind me Satan !

          • http://naver samurai

            I agree with you granny. They should also read I and II Kings and see how God told the nation of Israel to cleanse itself of these false beliefs. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Munir Munshey

        It is easy to say Islam is a cult. Equally easy it is to say that Christianity is a cult. There did exist a religion called Mithraism during the time of Jesus. They believed God had a son, they believed the son of God was murdered. They believed the blood of the son of God cleansed the sins of the followers. Those are verifiable facts.

        Based on those facts can one say that a corporate merger took place back then? Jesus was adopted by the Mithraist temples. The messenger of God became the son of God, and Jesus’ teachings were changed around to become the teachings of Christianity.

        • Jana

          Munir,
          I know you honestly believe all of these ridiculous things you are saying, when you grow up being taught a cow is a dog, then as an adult a cow will always be a dog. It is so sad that you have been lied to and misled all of your life that you believe all of these things to be true.
          How very sad for you.

          • Munir Munshey

            Precisely, when you are told as a child that the Creator has a baby, then you believe it.
            As an adult you never think about it. If you do and ask your preacher how can God have a son, they have no answer except “Just believe”, or “Do not question God”, “It is a mystery”

            There is no other answer! There can be no other answer!

          • Jana

            Munir,
            How very ignorant you are about the things of God.
            Math.15: vs 13 & 14:
            But He answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hast NOT pleanted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
            Math.15: 17-20: Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever enterth in at the mouth goeth into the belly and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the HEART and they DEFILE the man. For out of the heart proceed EVIL THOUGHTS, MURDERS, ADULTERIES, FORNICATIONS, THEFTS,FALSE WITNESS, BLASPHEMIES: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

            Hmmm, this sounds just like it was meant for the Muslim world. You who like little boys but say you hate homosexuals. You are not only a homosexual group of people but pedophiles too. You have one of the most well known blinded to the truth leaders, leading you right into the ditch. If this is what your Muhammad (pigs blood on his grave) and pedophile taught you, then he would be considered the son of satan. They teach the same thing, act on the same thing, and are of the same bloodline.

        • coal miner

          Munir Munshey,

          You are right.Christianity was borrowed from many myths;including Mithraism.Jana, that is historical facts.

          • coal miner

            Jana,

            If Jesus is the creator,how come he couldn’t tell a difference between a whale and a fish?

          • http://naver samurai

            Actually, it is the koran and islam that has borrowed things from Judism, Paganism, and Christianity. I suggest that you sit down and actually read the koran, Bible, and the Tora, before you post coal dunnger. You might actually learn something, for once in your life. FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY

          • Jana

            samurai,
            Everything coal miner writes shows his ignorance. He is hanging himself with his own unwise comments and his GREAT lack of knowledge. Poor guy, he thinks higher of himself than the rest of us do.

          • http://naver samurai

            Yes, coal digger is a great man in his own mind. What little there is of it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • coal miner

            Jana,

            Here are some of the Christian cross myths.

            http://www.answering-christianity.com/abdullah_smith/cross_pagan_origins.htm

  • Norm

    1. Burning books (any books) is a childish, moronic act.
    2. While some Muslim extremists do despicable things, two wrongs never make a right.
    3. Anything that may put our troops in harms way is a traitorous act.
    4. Christians should follow Christ’s path, not there own twisted bigoted ways.
    While this a the constitutional right of the “good pastor”, it is a counterproductive, irresponsible, hateful deed.

    • Chris McCoy

      Excellent and succinct. Well said.

    • http://naver samurai

      Then we should charge Obama bin Laden with treason, as he has put our troops in more danger than Bush did. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Rex

    Let me get this straight. It’s OK for Moose head/towel heads to burn churches, synagogues, rape, pillage and destroy people, and innocent women. It’s OK for them to disfigure a woman’s face, and treat their women less than dogs. It’s OK for rag heads to burn our flags and persecute Israel. It’s OK for Muslims to cut up and dissect the land of Israel. It’s OK for Kasamm rockets to land in the Negev everyday, most recently near kindergartens. It’s OK for Muslims to demand to split Jerusalem in half, and not recognize Israel as a state. It’s OK for Hamas to keep a lone innocent IDF soldier trapped in prison that he does not deserve.

    BUT IT’S NOT OK TO BURN A KORAN?! A stupid book that was written by a stupid little moron man! A man that was a thief, liar, murderer, and deceiver. A man that made a religion out of hate and murder? The number one comment post said the god of the Christians is merciful and tolerant. However, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is merciful but NOT tolerant to false gods and religions. He is the ONLY God! All religions that deny, negate and ignore the Torah in the Jewish Scriptures are false religions! One day Yeshua is going to carry out the vengeance of the Father. And all Muslim, Christian, Hindu, and false places of worship will be destroyed and the Torah will the rule of Law! Come Yeshua, even now!

    • Granny Mae

      Rex,

      A-men !

  • slickporsche

    THIS IS TAKING PLACE AS WE SPEAK, IN AMERICA, AND WE REALLY NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO STOP IT? Are you Americans up to it? I’am, but cannot do it alone.

    Islam is not a religion,it is a vicious cult,using religion as a mask. It is however, a complete system.
    Islam has a fake religious component, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

    Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’
    When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
    As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

    United States — Muslim 1.0%
    Australia — Muslim 1.5%
    Canada — Muslim 1.9%
    China — Muslim 1%-2%
    Italy — Muslim 1.5%
    Norway — Muslim 1.8%

    At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

    Denmark — Muslim 2%
    Germany — Muslim 3.7%
    United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
    Spain — Muslim 4%
    Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

    From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
    They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

    France — Muslim 8%
    Philippines — Muslim 5%
    Sweden — Muslim 5%
    Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
    The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
    Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

    At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
    When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

    Guyana — Muslim 10%
    India — Muslim 13.4%
    Israel — Muslim 16%
    Kenya — Muslim 10%
    Russia — Muslim 10-15%

    After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
    Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

    At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

    Bosnia — Muslim 40%
    Chad — Muslim 53.1%
    Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

    From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

    Albania — Muslim 70%
    Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
    Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
    Sudan — Muslim 70%

    After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

    Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
    Egypt — Muslim 90%
    Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
    Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
    Iran — Muslim 98%
    Iraq — Muslim 97%
    Jordan — Muslim 92%
    Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
    Pakistan — Muslim 97%
    Palestine — Muslim 99%
    Syria — Muslim 90%
    Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
    Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
    United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

    100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s (supposed) to be peace because everybody is a Muslim: we know however that this isnt true is it…?

    Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
    Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
    Somalia — Muslim 100%
    Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

    Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons…and they are coming to a neighborhood near you…so keep thinking they are not going to harm you and they “accept” you

  • slickporsche

    The reason they fight amongst them selves is because there are two mulim sects if you will. SUNNIES and the SHIITE Muslim. The Sunnies are the majority and the shiite would like to be.

  • http://charter howe

    I don’t think its wise to burn the Koran because the hairtrigger maliciousness of the radical muslims will murder innocent people for a deep seated and evil revenge ideology. Islam is not at all tolerant and the muslim religion which is one of many components of ISLAM does not guarantee tolerance because it depends on whether the individual Muslim is extreme or moderate. The other components of ISLAM are politics, Govt, religion, culture and Sharia law. Islam is an ideology which has as one of its component parts a religion but another component is Sharia law and therein lies the problem.If you are a moderate or extreme muslim you are expected to accept ISLAM and Sharia law which must be accepted. To have religious tolerance toward ISLAM is not possible, since ISLAM is not a religion, but a multi-faceted cultural ideology. Most other religions clash with Muslims who subscibe to ISLAM and Sharia law. No matter how tolerant you want to be toward the Muslim religion, the fact that Sharia law is an integrel part of the Islamic culture leaves no room for compromise. The word of ALLAH states that all Christians must be converted or killed, a real tolerant guy Huh. I would suggest that we ask our Congress people to legislate laws to prevent Sharia Law from ever being used in the United States of America. It is not a religious tolerance issue, it is an undermining of our constitution to allow Sharia law to be exercized in our country. Australia did it a few years ago and we can do it as soon as we vote all these damned liberals out in Nov 2010. We don’t allow sacrificial offerings on an altar and that is a religious tolerance issue. I find it mind boggling to think that muslims who rail at Mohhamed cartoons and burning a Koran would burn our flag and hang the Pope in effigy when they are not strapping on an explosive dynamite belt to murder innocent men women and children. Hypocrites is too little of an expression to high light a sick culture that gloats over this murderous martyrdom ideology while expecting the rest of the world to accept having the heinous crimes perpetuated upon them on a daily basis. Why hasn’t Hillary or anyone in the liberal media asked why the pastor wants to burn the Koran. Is he trying to make a point which the rest of the world or the liberals don’t want to hear. Maybe he is making a statement like IMAM RAUF has made that the Cordoba mosque will be built at ground zero on hallowed ground because it is freedom of religion even though its inappropriate. The burning of the Koran is freedom of speech also but is not appropriate, is there any better analogy to be made. If its really that hurtful for muslims to see a Koran burned then why would they not respect where the 911 mosque is going to be built and the sensitivity of the relatives and friends of the 911 mass murder and the 70% of the rest of the country that does not want to see this mosque built at ground zero. Its a hypocritical sham and a statement by the radical muslims to gloat over their miserablely cowardly victory of killing 3000 human beings whom they believe were engaged in a war against the word of Allah. The real nutjobs are the ones like Bloomberg and Obama and bloggers who base their opinions on fantasy and hearsay. Get the facts for once in your lives before you criticize a pastor who is sick and tired of seeing a sick culture getting support when what they need is a good dose of reality from our spineless leaders. For crap sake, take the time to find out what SHARIA LAW is all about, and if you are a women and you still believe you want to live under those conditions you have to be as sick as the perps who want to bring it to America. Just remember the muslims are a bigger part of the population than the illegals and have over one thousand mosques in the CONUS. There wil be a day in the next twenty to thirty years when the majority rule will allow the changes to the Constitution to occur which will install Saria law at first for Muslims and then eventually forced on the entire country. Open your eyes, do you not see whats happening in England and France. These radical muslims are permitted to lie about what their plan is and deceiving everyone about what they are doing by direction of the Koran and Sharia law. If you believe this IMAM Rauf who is ramrodding the CORDOBA house at ground zero, just be advised that he’s a bigger liar and deciver than our Pander-in-chief on Steroids. I spent 29 years in the military and I have never gotten so complacent as to think our enemies were ever doing us a favor, thats how you stay alive when the shit hits the fan. WE THE PEOPLE are under attak in so many ways that it is unpleasant to even think about it. Think about it we must and fight for our children and grandchildren, I don’t want to look my kids in the eye when their American dream is gone and say I had a chance but I wasn’t smart enough to recognize a threat when it smacked me in the face. You do what you want, I’m going to keep plugging for the country I love and by the way is the greatest in the world, at least for now. 75% of the world wants to trade places with us or better yet, take away what is rightfully ours to allow their power and control agenda to elevate their own culture. Think about it.

    • http://j Justice4All

      We have been blessed for so long, I guess we just don’t expect anyone to take advantage of our kindess. We are now faced with a different world than we’ve experienced in a long time. It is up to us to either allow the capture of our beliefs or become incensed enough to drive back those that has and will do further harm to this GREAT COUNTRY. I think given to a vote the majority will say “enough is enough”. For sure that’s how I feel.
      GOD Bless The U.S.A.

      • 45caliber

        We as Americans have one fatal flaw. We always assume that other people in the world would think the same way we do and make the same decisions under the same circumstances. And that is wrong. For instance if one of them were to announce that he was going to burn a hundred Bibles, we’d probably ignore him – and we would expect the Muslims to do the same thing about this. We only have a chance of surviving in the long run IF we actually study the culture and beliefs of those who say they are our enemies – and we believe what they tell us when they say they are going to destroy us.

    • Warrior

      Damn Good Post Howe!

  • Rods1

    The lefts say that is not the American way turn the other check, let them kill us let them rape our woman and please do not anger them. Well maybe we should stop being so dam nice to them,when Iran took 400 plus hostages we did nothing to them. when they blew up the USS Cole we did nothing to them When they blew up the Barracks and killed 200 plus we did nothing, When they beheaded there prisoners we did nothing, You say oh that is only the radicals but I say it is there cursed religion doing it,I feel we have let them walk on us long enough. We have the ability to wipe them from this earth and it would be a better place for it. It might not be buy the good book but it would end this bullshit that we have put up with for far to long. We need to grow some b ls and tell them either you take care of your few Innocent radicals or we will take care of you.

    • 45caliber

      The lefts are afraid of death. They are willing to suffer anything in an effort to remain alive, including slavery. And it will be slavery if they turn the country over to the Muslims.

      Hemingway once said, “There are worse things than dying while fighting for freedom. And if you don’t fight, you will find out what every one of those things is!”

      • Jana

        They also say a coward dies a thousand deaths, a brave man dies once.

  • Donna

    Thank you eci onci~ I agree with you as well. Being from a military family, I would think a General would not flinch at such a situation, nor have made such a comment.

    1. Christ was/is not a pushover.

    2. God does not tolerate idolatry, false idols, false gods…

    3. The troops are always in harms way over there, they are trained amazingly well!

    4. These “people” are trained and taught our ways, our hearts, our emotions in order to infiltrate our country. Their goal IS to over take the world!

    Again, many will be very gullible and fall for it. They will feel sorry for them. Want to allow them our freedoms, what “we” would normally do in a “normal” situation. BUT this isnt a normal religion we are dealing with! It is dangerous to us as a people and as a country. If it isnt stopped, it will be detrimental to everyone here in our country. France has already put out warnings to us as a nation, it obviously was not aired on the news, our media does not want us seeing it as well as the UK…

    I stand with the one true God and our country, myself.

    • 45caliber

      I agree with you.

    • http://naver samurai

      I do too. I also come from a military family. My father served 32.5 years, my uncle 24, and I served 20 years. If the general flinches over this, then he is in need of retraining. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Granny Mae

      I also agree ! And no we don’t get all the news here !

  • http://gmail i41

    I think my family will get several Korans and have a big pig roast. There shouldn’t be too much smoke and with the pig blood and grease it will last all afternoon. These posts that think the muslim pedohile pervs don’t need an excuse to kill non beleivers. If Onumnutts went into mosqus with out defiling them, then he sure must a muslim pedophile. Over the past few years I have stayed in hotels run by muslims in SD, WY., and MT, the males are rude screaming s–t minded idoits. When checking out, a few of the male freaks got slapped around a few times, for thumping on the women working there. The sorry bastards may do that out in the sand dunes but don’t try that crap here. Every feely meely dink that thinks muslims are wonderful, get a head out of you evace vent. I have enough kids, neices, and nephews hunting those sick pukes over there. I don’t need morons telling everyone how great muslims are, don’t give them an inch. A few rodeo lads have stayed there since and it is real quite and peaceful, that is the only thinf these sick pos minded idoits understand, treat them nice and you soon will have no head.

  • 45caliber

    His burning of the books IS disrespectfull – and so is building the mosque at the 911 site. What I’m curious about is whether the Muslems who are threatening him will try to follow through. It might make some Americans sitting on the fence slide over if they do attack and show the world that they are willing to murder even in America.

  • http://j Justice4All

    Why has this become so explosive? Thinking about this question, I think that the U.S. citizens have endured so much in the past few years that it is not just festering, but is a boiling pot of rage. When you look for who to blame, I now think it is us, for allowing so much corruption and terrorism to happen without the citizens saying “no more”.
    It seems obvious to me that with a W.H. that has fundamentally made changes to this GREAT COUNTRY, and continues to make apologies for what they feel we have done to others, we will be taken advantage of.
    This is not the only problem we must correct and soon. This regime is propelling the demise of the U.S.A. with every breath it takes.
    I can not say how GOD will look upon us as a group, the only thing for sure is that we can not lose our FAITH. With each passing day the outside usurpers, without regard to the host countries rights and religion, are attempting to conquesr the world. This must not happen!
    In the end GOD will conquer all.
    GOD Bless The U.S.A.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Dano

      Aman, God is still in charge and I feel that He is truly getting tired with the way the world is going. He got tired many times before and serious things happened. I feel God looks upon Islam as another way satan is attempting to deceive many into the destruction of Jews and Christians.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    I agree with those who say Pastor Terry Jones is foolish to do such a thing at least at this time. On the other hand, would Jones’ opponents be just as outraged if some Muslims burned a Holy Bible or a Torah?? Likewise, this is bad timing. IMO, a better time for Jones to do this would’ve been perhaps 5 years ago, when we had a true American Commander-in-Chief, GW Bush. Remember, Bush did keep us safe after 9/11/01. Sadly, now we have an anti-American Marxist-in-Chief who goes around the world apologizing for America, and undoubtedly is making our country less safe…..Likewise, why should we bring ourselves down to the level of the leftists/democraps?? That is – if Terry Jones carries out this burning plan, and any of our troops are harmed, why put the blame on Jones?? It’s no different than suggesting tea partiers, conservative talk radio hosts, etc. are hate-mongerers who incite violence when they don’t!! PUT THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS – ON AMERICA’S ENEMIES!! To blame Jones would be equivalent to blaming Al Gore for the hostage situation at the Discovery Channel merely because the nut case was inspired by Algore’s propaganda!! And of course the leftists/democraps would be outraged if we blamed Algore for the acts of that nutcase at Discovery Channel!!

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Dano

      Well said!

  • Peter Carminati

    So we are offended by Muslims? How about all those wars over religion in the past and apparently heading into another in the very near future?

    Did it ever occur to this “stubborn-as-a-mule” pastor that he is in gross violation of the Bible, God’s Word, Jesus’ instructions?

    It is time for this bone-head to get real. If he burns the Koran, you must expect a massive response of (1) burning the Bible and (2) upticks in murdering Christians.

  • muslim

    omg!
    What thick heads.
    9/11 was a self inflicted wound. In baby language for hillbillies that means the twin towers were demolished by elements in the U.S government. No obscure figurine hiding in a cave (or shall i say Bush’s ranch in texas) could have had the towers loaded with demolition explosives like thermite. Those towers fell at freefall speed. That’s less than 10 seconds from top to bottom! I suggest u look at video footage of building 7. Why did it just crumble into dust at 5 o’clock in the afternoon?
    Sounds like another inside job. Go after the real perpeTRAITORS and not the fallguy.
    With much lov . . .

    • 45caliber

      muslim;

      *I think your name says it all about what you posted. In other words, all you are trying to do is get people to quit believing that your people are the guilty parties here. After all, it is easier to fool people if they don’t know the truth.

      • http://naver samurai

        Well said!

        • Jana

          samurai,
          Yes, muslim is doing his part of taqiyya which is lying to the people and trying to spread his false religion around.
          They have been lied to and told so many stupid and idiotic lies, they no longer have the capacity to know or understand the truth.

          • http://naver samurai

            Truth? They CAN’T handle the truth! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Andy Howey

            Gee, Samurai, that sounds like the majority of our elected and appointed officials, also. I don’t think that the word “truth” is in the vocabulary of either Muslims or politicians.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well, I can’t argue with you on that point, Andy. Well said. Let’s keep up the good fight, fellow patriots. We have too much at steak to lose! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://aol wayne a

      MUSLIM, YOU’RE FULL OF SHI% !!!!!!!!!!

    • http://naver samurai

      I think you need to go back to rehab, your doctor is calling you!

    • Kaye

      Muslim, Our evil leaders just happened to tie up some innocent middle eastern guys and force them to hijack planes and crash into the Pentagon and World Trade Center?

      • Andy Howey

        Kaye: I think you took the words right out of his Taqiya-spewing mouth.

  • Robert Hauser

    Jana (above)….you are as full of it as a cranberry merchant: I’ve been all over the Sahara and no one ever told me or anyone I knew that we had to burn any damned bibles….I was in Egypt which is very decidedly a Muslim country (80%) and they are entirely tolerant of jews and christians and I have been inside their places of worship even though I have little use for christinsanity (as in John Hagee) and far less than zero for judaism.

    • 45caliber

      Are you the same guy who tried to convince us he was a CIO the other day on another thread? I haven’t seen him by the same name since we outed him.

    • Jana

      Robert Houser,
      Good for you. Just because it did not happen to you or around you does not make it so!

    • Granny Mae

      Robert Hauser,

      You were lucky or perhaps they knew you would not have a bible anyway. I have talked to several people that worked for years in Saudi and they told me the same things that Jana has said. They had no reason to lie about it! At the time they told me these things I knew nothing about this stuff. I sure learned in a hurry from them. I have since talked to others that did the same thing and their stories were quite the same !

  • Robert Hauser

    This Terry Jones is just another garden variety whack-job Elmer Gantry type who is nothing but a liability no matter where he ventures….such as Cologne (Koeln), Germany where he set up some kind of a church and then got his mangy ass kicked the Hell out of there for raiding their tills for his own personal expenses….any more “Americans” of his ilk in Germany and my Teutonic ancestors will make war on this country again and probably win. Terry Jones is an example of what the late but still great Tom Bly of Seattle referred to as pernicious, parasitic, pulpit-pounding perverts. In so many words he is a god damned pain in the ass and could start World War III with a psychopathic stunt like this. Silly bastard.

  • chuck b

    we should not only burn the qur’an,but throw in a few mosque’s while we are at it. most of these mosque’s are nothing but training centers for terrorist groups. we are allowing this country to be saturated with ignorance and a dangerous organization.

    our troops are in danger 24 hours a day as it is, if the qur’an is burnt, does that mean they will add an extra hour of danger, baloney, and i’m surprised that gen petraeus made such a statement. these islam jihadist will hit us anywhere at anytime they feel they can get away with it. if the touchy feely crowd feels so strongly then lets pull our troops out of these muslim countries and at the same time remove the muslims from our country.
    this islamic religion is just as dangerous as any dictatorship and if we listen to the bleeding heart crowd (which has caused us massive loss of life in trying to do their bidding), then we are as ignorant as the islamic’s.

    • 45caliber

      Well, I certainly hope the FBI is smart enough to hire some young men to pretend to be Islamic and go to these mosques on a regular basis to keep an eye on what they do. And I hope the FBI is smart enough to not tell Oblama or his friends ahead of time if they need to enter a mosque to arrest those inside when they are caught trying to build bombs or whatever.

  • Donna

    As Warrior said Howe~ Your post is very good and also slickporsche, a couple others too as a matter of fact… I do believe the Pastor cares a great deal for our country and is trying to do what he believes to be as right. I dont believe he is a nut case, either. Although I say this, and I have said what I did in earlier posts does not mean the Koran should be burned (as a public display anyway). I do feel this atrocity with Islam NEEDS to be stopped, allowing them to slowly takeover before its too late, for the sake of our country and our people. The American people need to truly research and learn what this so called religion is all about before they defend it. This isnt a time for warm fuzzy feelings when it comes to people like this, even the ones that seem meek and mild, that is how they defeated other countries and they are determined to defeat us. You have to decern their motives, which are evil and dangerous.

  • hundabuxt

    Try juxtaposing burning the koran with cutting peoples heads off on the internet, flying widebody jets with innocent people on board into buildings and convincing ignorant largely poor desperate people that strapping explosives to your body and killing as many people as possible, civilian and military alike, will get you 72 virgins. GET IT? We’re fighting evil here folks and they’ll lie to your face that those who do evil acts are the fringe extremes. BULL SH.T! Even if they’re passive, the koran is the koran reflecting sharia law and tiquyya the latter of which justifies lying to forward their agenda.

  • http://AOL Gary

    I know alot of you Don’t Believe that Iraq had WMD and If they Didn’t then Why was WMD Residue Found in their WarHeads. I use to handle the Disposal of WMD from WWII and the Destruction it can Cause is like the Hallecaust was Nothing . If the Muslims want Peace then Why aren’t they Peaceful ? Everything you hear about them is of a Radical Nature and alot of their Teachers have even Stated that the Muslims are Going about things in a Wrong Way ! These Muslim Countries wouldn’t have Squat if it weren’t for the Technology that the U.S. shared with Them ( Clean Water / Sewer / Development / Medicines )and then they Stabb Us in the Back , we need to start Looking after Ourselves for a Change and God Bless America !!!!

    • Jana

      Gary,
      Thank you for that. Yes, I believe it and have relatives that have even been at some of the training camps where the terrorists train, that are now training camps for the Iraqi police.
      Those who speak out and say such things as there were no WMD’s in Iraq are just repeating what the press told them which were lies.

      • Jana

        And by the way, I also have relatives that were at the Alazar wearhouse where it was full of all kinds of WMDs, it was the KBR wearhouse. Why it wasn’t told I don’t know. Everyone in that area knew it was there. Several gassings took place on our troops that no one talks about either, but it happened.

  • muslim

    you people are truely ignorant of the facts.

    you have your heads buried in the sand from the real enemy who is within your own family. thats what you people are really afraid of – seeing the Truth. the 9/11 Truth movement are trying to explain that 9/11 was a setup a pretext for war on not just muslims but on freedom itself by your own elected officials. the twin towers were demolished using sophisticated demolition equipment. OPEN YOUR EYES its already nearly too late.

    look how you treated those brave firefighters on 9/11. you killed them because they said they had the fires uncontrol. i.e they were doing their job.

    at the end of the those towers were demolished by expert demolition crews – but the Truth is there if anyone wishes to look…

    salaam

    • hundabuxt

      I suppose you also believe in Laprechauns too pal. You’re either believing your masters BS or feeding us the Tiquyya crap to attempt to bring about the good ol’ conspiracy theory that often follows major events. Nice try but no sale.

      • muslim

        no, but i do believe Hitler burned his own parliament building the Reichstag to the ground then blamed his enemies as a pretext for fascism. you sound like a nut job mate. WAKE UP. you probably didnt know that lil historical fact did you?

        • http://naver samurai

          Yes I, and my degree in history, knew that, so what’s your point?

        • Jana

          muslim,
          And we should believe what you have to say why? Sure, like we can really trust someone who has a pedophile that you call holy. Here we would call anyone marrying a 6 yr. old child like Muhammad did a pedophile.
          I also know that your mandate is to lie to the infidels which you think is us, and tell us whatever it is you want us to believe, and it is alright with your poeple and your god. This makes anything you say highly questionable, therefore we know we cannot believe you or trust you to tell us the truth.

          • Andy Howey

            Actually, I think we’d go a lot further than calling him a “pedophile”. He’d be labeled a perverted child molester and locked away. Even the bleeding heart pinko libs wouldn’t be able to justify that kind of behavior. We have exactly that kind of case out here in “wonderful, liberal” California where a 40 year-old pervert kidnapped an 11 year-old girl, kept her captive for 18 years, and fathered two children on her.

        • http://naver samurai

          OK then, let’s see if the muslims do about the same thing and burn down their holy shrine at Mecca.

          • coal miner
          • Andy Howey

            Coal Miner: Again, you are wrong. I’ve been there. I’ve seen the building, inside and out, complete with pockmarks from machine-gun fire and artillery shrapnel during WWII. Have you been there? If not, then you don’t know what you’re talking about. I was stationed in Berlin from September, 1980 until September, 1982. As of that time-frame, the building had not been materially improved on the outside since the end of the war.

        • Andy Howey

          Muslim: You have no idea what you’re talking about. Hitler didn’t burn the Reichstag to the ground. I was stationed in Berlin in the early 1980′s, and I went to the Reichstag. It still had pock marks from machinegun fire from WWII. Get your facts straight.

          • coal miner

            ANDY HOWEY,

            WRONG,Hitler did burn the Reichstag.Muslim you are right.

            http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/burns.htm

          • Andy Howey

            Coal Miner: You are wrong. Yes, the Reichstag building did catch fire, but it didn’t burn down, and the fire wasn’t set by Hitler or his cronies. Read your own source more carefully. According to your source, the fire was set by a disturbed Communist malcontent named “Marinus van der Lubbe, 24, from Holland”. And, according to Wikipedia, the building was still standing although “unusable” throughout the span of the 3rd Reich. The article does not in what capacity it was unusable, but it does imply that repairs were underway until the Allied air raids started hitting Berlin. So, in closing, both you and Muslim are wrong.

          • http://naver samurai

            Good job, Andy. It says the same thing in one of my books called: “Europe from 1918 – 1946, a History.” I guess coal digger will have to gear up better next time, won’t he? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Granny Mae

      You are insane !

    • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

      Hey Muslim

      Cast not you pearls before the swine least they rend them and trample them into the mud. Now some of the people on the group who Identify them selves as conservatives and Christian are fully aware that 9-11 was a false flag created by the shadow government of the USA. Then you’ve got people who are so blind that they’ll call you or anyone else who tries to point out the obvious truth insane. What happens once these people have to look at the truth their whole world will unravel (as mine had to some years ago)and they would rather kill the bearer of bad tidings than to admit how insanely wrong they are.

      I finish every meditation with a prayer “May All beings be happy” I send this Prayer to God from my heart. There’s no chance of misinterpreting and none of my personal ego trying to decide how this should be done. A perfect self correcting prayer in my opinion. If someone is happy suppressing people.. or hurting others, it’s obvious that those who they effect aren’t happy.. so the suppressor will find another way to be happy.. I leave that to god. It is a bit selfish as well since I’d like to be happy as well but I realize that my happiness depends o others happiness as well. A person who feels happy and who feels their children are safe and secure would never think of attacking another. The Christians on this group honestly don;t feel safe and are willing to act in a way that certainly doesn’t make Muslims feel secure. I would tend to think Muslims haven;t exactly felt secure for quite awhile.. same with Jew’s, Israeli or not….. and so on and so on… so I leave it up to God.. May ALL beings be happy.

  • muslim

    another interesting quote:

    It may be a surprise to some, but the United States was not founded as a Christian nation. The founding fathers were Deists. There’s a difference. Granted, Christianity is the dominant religion in the U.S. now, but it is incorrect to maintain that we are a Christian nation or that the founding fathers had the intent we should be.

    • chuck b

      muslim

      you are totally wrong, the founders were all christian except for a couple. you better find a history book that hasn’t been revised. they proclaimed this nation to be christian and free from the tyranny of the church of england and rome, your muslim religion was not even considered and would not have been allowed. there is no such thing as the separation of church and state ( a liberal dream) they wrote the law forbidding the establishment of a state religion, to protect the church from the state.
      maybe you are confusing it with sharia law!!

      • Jana

        muslim,
        It might be a surprise to you to know that you don’t know what you are talking about.

      • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

        The founders didn’t declare a national religion because they knew if they did that the different sects would quarrel amongst themselves and there would have never been a union. Too many times the religious give religion a bad name :-)

    • http://naver samurai

      Sorry dude, but only Jefferson was ever recorded to be a deist and he wasn’t a true deist. He said all his documents: “In the Year of our Lord…” This is a recognition of a certain year after the birth of Jesus. He also held religious services every Sunday, in the White House, for both of his terms. So what is your point, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! The Judeo-Christian God and not the false god allah!

      • coal miner
        • coal miner

          Samrai,

          Abraham Lincoln:agnostic

          “The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.” Joseph Lewis quoting Lincoln in a 1924 speech in New York

          • http://naver samurai

            Gee, do I really have to watch another obviously left wing based video? I was talking about our founding fathers and not Lincoln. Coal miner thinks Lincoln is one of founding fathers, ha, ha, ha, ha! Read your American History again, not a modern day leftward leaning book either. You may have your eyes opened to the truth, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • coal miner

            Samurai,

            Did I ever Said Abe Lincoln was one of the founding fathers?

          • Andy Howey

            No, but you implied it.

          • http://naver samurai

            Please go to your local library and find a copy of Thomas Jefferson’s biography, an authorized biography, and read the chapters dealing with his White House days. I guarantee you’ll say: “Darn it! Samurai was right and I just made myself sound stupid.” Can you tell (enlighten) me about who you say were deists and non believers? Gice me a list of names and say why they are that way. Should be easy for you to do. In high school, I had to list our founding father’s names, religion, and why they believed in certain things, can you do that coal digger? I’ll be waiting for your answer, and I better not just hear those stupid crickets in the background! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jana

            samurai,
            It doesn’t even take that much for him to make himself sound stupid. And he has proved it over and over and over.

          • http://naver samurai

            So true Jana. Alas, so true!

    • Granny Mae

      muslim

      you are wrong and you know it. Where did you study American history? If it was here you sure didn’t learn anything.

    • http://naver samurai

      How much longer do we have to put up with this lib rhetoric? It’s getting to be pretty old. Older than my 25 year old uniform! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Melody

    The burning of the Koran shows us one thing. How fanatic these people are and how fragile and empty their cult is. These people are mentally ill. I imagine they will all start foaming at the mouth, get hysterical and beat themselves in the chest and all have heart attacks. And Clinton and all the other “officials” need to be reminded that we are a Christian Nation. We serve an almighty God. The God of all. We believe in Jesus and he will crush our enemies. We should have no fear of the muslims. NONE. They are the ones who should fear us. When is our government going to start acting like it? I personally will enjoy the book burning. All evil things should be burned.

  • Donna

    I just read that the pastor had canceled the burning of the Korans on Saturday because of an agreement in NY to meet and discuss moving the mosque, and that Obama “asked” that he not do it… So apparently his stand made a difference without there being any violence. It got attention and made a difference.

    These people do not want peace anyway, they have certain goals they are determined to fulfill. They will achieve those goals at any cost. They hate us (the infidels) with a passion, period.

    P.S. Amen Gary!

    • Jana

      Donna,
      That is very good news. So we see, this may very well have been God’s will for this pastor to come out with this plan to burn the Qur’an just to get this attention to get this Mosque stopped.

      PRAISE THE LORD.

      • Jana

        Even though we have found that this is not truly the case, that they will move the Mosque if the quran is not burned which we all should burn one on Sunday anyway, this action has opened the eyes of the American people.
        We see what happens when we stand up against these Muslim radicals. We get threatened as a nation, and we find our illustrious Obama caves in, Hillary Clinton caves in, Petreus caves in. This tells us that our leaders still aren’t tuned in to the American people and they never will be. They want to lay down and let the Muslims take over.
        I don’t want to be under Sharia law. I don’t want to have some supposed Imam lie to us about WHO God is, and try to control us. This false religion is all about control. It is a satanic cult and we who know the truth will never succumb.

  • http://gmail i41

    So muslim are you flashman queer brother, all you muslim a as full of crap a bloated goat. Your rteligion wants to kill all non beleivers. What is a non beleiver, some human that doesn’t beleive in a clay figurine called allah, or that girls,women and boys under 10 are for the males sick perverted enjoyment. muslim dog pellets stink up society with their stoneage thinking, Islam isn’t a religion but a perverted ideolgy dreamed up by a goat rider. What you sick pervs do out in the sand dunes keep perving each other, but over here shut up and behave or if you soory hogs want a pig skin wrap keep on acting stupid. There are still people in the fly over country that will stomp and swing a few of the peverts, if our families and homes get bothered. Also did you aborgate what parts of the Koran just a few verses or the first part when Mohammed was playing with himself before he went to Medinia to start his thug Islam army of sand nuts for the Koran?

  • http://gmail i41

    Did muslim disappear back into cat house to rent a wife, because he is stressed, because his favorite goat ran off for a sesista, at the hog trough. I think muslim was just a Onunutt’s fluffer.

    • KDub

      dude. Settle. We are on the same side, yet I cringe at your posts. using our heads and what we have in them, it’s easy to defeat those that are intellectually defenseless. Let’s stump them with logic, and stow the insults for when we are brainless.

    • KDub

      ….then again, we are probably on opposite sides, and you are making these inflammatory statements to make the side of reason look unreasonable. We are too smart for that. Fools are obvious.

  • http://gmail i41

    If we were fighting with smart people we could talk sense to them. But having to work around muslims, they may show a polite kind face. The only thing they understand is hard force, American people think just like the marxist muslim moron in the WH. We talk and reach an understanding, yes sir, as the pedophiles take off your head. That is why we have such a problem winning wars, the rules of engagement. Fat theorists who never had a good a$$ kicking just a desk job. Just look what percentage of Americans are muslims, and what the pukes demand from every tax payer. Does the government build churches or synagoges in any other countries. but we build mosques and promote this goat ranger’s book. I never will trust these pus brains in groups. Socialist democrats are always trying to be the nice guys and instead the citizens get clobbered by thugs and freaks. As 9/11 proved socialist lawyer dinks didn’t have a clue what going on in the real world, and we are doing the damn thing again.

  • Burning Man

    Why doesn’t this idiot burn the talmud on 9/11 instead?

    • Andy Howey

      Why would he want to do that? The Jews didn’t fly airliners into the twin towers or Pentagon, and they aren’t clamoring and demanding to build a mega-synagogue at the Ground Zero site.

    • http://naver samurai

      Completely missed the target on that one.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Dano

    The Qur’an or Koran, whatever, is a book of lies and disfunction. It is filled with ramblings such as the like of Marx or Hitler. The book is a guideline to lie at any chance to overthrow and defeat the non-believer, the Jew or Christian. The ones who embrace it and fall for its ability to guide ones life are deceived. The Islamic holybook is an instrument of violence and Jihad. It teaches that it is Allahs way or no way. They don’t teach that in reality Allah was a moongod and has no real existance, thus false teaching. I’am Christian, I believe
    that a loving God created all and that He sent his Son Jesus to take on all sin then die on a cross to pay that sin debt. I believe in removing evil so Pastor,”BURN THE ISLAMIC LIE.”

  • chuck b

    why not burn the qur’an, what are we a bunch of cowards. if the guy doesn’t burn the trash book then he is a gutless wonder. we cater to the muslims and it will just embolden them, they win and it gives these goat herders another foothold in this country. most of the talking heads on tv are siding with islam by condemning the guy burning the book. our great generals cow towing to the muslims, oh! “we don’t want to make them any madder!!” what the hell are we doing over there, is this war or patty cakes? i don’t give a dam what these rug burners think and if this man in florida burns the book and they want to retaliate, lets blow the hell out of a couple of their villages and see if they like meeting the virgins.

    • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

      It is long over due to teach all Muslims that respect must be EARNED and that respect can ONLY BE EARNED and that only hypocrites, mentally sick lunatic fanatics, TYRANTS, COWARDS, criminals and EVIL mass murderers demand respect and expect respect without EARNING respect. People have been burning books for one reason or another reason for hundreds of years so burning a few Korans will only be a blip on the radar screen for history. I recommend burning those Korans as fuel and tinder for an old fashioned barbecue and roasting some marshmellows for the kids. Pastor Terry Jones will be doing the entire peace Loving mature free world a service by exposing those Muslims and their entire fraudulent illegitimate pseudo-religion called Islam as a complete and total fraud that should never be defined as a religion and also to smoke out and to expose out in the open for the entire free world to see and to witness the inherent EVIL characteristics, beliefs, ideology, rabid foaming at the mouth hatred, illogical, irrational and unjust retaliatory raging vengence and the mindless and souless and Godless inhuman brutal, savage and cruel EVIL behavior that is the natural foundations and the central core of Islam as the hundreds of millions of non-Muslim mass murdered victims can attest to from their own graves for openly refusing to submit to the will and control of Allah and to be forever brainwashed and mind controlled slaves forever trapped in perpetual permanent servitude of Allah and the EVIL Mass Murderer and Terrorist Coward and Hypocrite named Muhammad or Mohammed. I read the entire Koran as required in a college history course and the Koran is full of reasons to justify inflicting terrible pain, suffering, agony and death to all PEACEFUL and non-violent and non-aggressive totally innocent non-Muslims or Infidels. Check out the Koran at your nearest local public library and judge for yourself.

  • chuck b

    remember one thing, there are no moderate muslims, if they believe in the qur’an then they are your enemy unless you join their ranks in islam. they only tolerate christian church’s and jewish synagogue’s in some of the muslim countries and those church members are under strict sharia law, not good.

  • john

    The only good muslim is a dead muslim. Think what you want of me for saying so, but it’s been coming to this end for hundreds of years. christians vs muslims it’s a story old as time and memorial.

    These filthy pigs that behead,stone to death and rape all who oppose there belief, should be shot on sight! and there bodys hung up and burned above a pile of sizzling korans. Many of my friends and i are past being tired of this political correct BS and we are as mad as hell!. It’s merry christmas not happy holidays, it’s independance day not the 4th of july, it’s to the republic for which it stands one nation under god, not the separation of state and religion and its the land of the FREE and home of the BRAVE, not land and home of the meek.

    The time for talk is over. My freinds and i are lock n loaded ready for what ever! we are not going to sit around to be lead to the slaughter like so many sheep, we well take it to them if need be.
    If you think the government will protect you, then all i can say is you better get your head out of your ass. If you think i am extreme,crazy,stupid or all the above, then all i can say is GOOD LUCK you’ll need it,we will all need it.

  • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

    Well, regardless of what ever action Pastor Terry Jones decides to take about burninig the Koran or not burning the Koran, the Murdering Muslim Monsters will do the work of the Devil or Satan without any Koran being burned. Already, our Christian friend and true ally, Mother Russia, is already fighting for the survival of Christians in Christian North Ossetia in the Caucasus Mountains against Muslim Extremist Terrorist Mass Murderers and already today on Friday of September 10th those Muslim Mass Murderer Monsters have already injured, maimed and killed(MURDERERD) innocent North Ossetian Christians in a suicide car bombing in Vladikavkaz Russia, the Capital of Christian North Ossetia, only a few hours ago before Pastor Terry Jones has had a chance to burn even only one Koran. Those Mass Murdering Muslim Monsters will continue to murder any and all Christians where ever an opportunity to murder Christians presents itself and becomes available regardless if any Korans are burned or not burned. Again it is long over due to teach and to demonstrate to those Muslim Murderer Monsters that any type of respect must always be EARNED and that any type of respect can ONLY BE EARNED and that only Criminally Insane Mentally Sick Psychopathic Deranged Narcissistic Meglo-Maniacs, Tyrants, Cowards, Criminals and Mass Murderers Demand, Ask for and Expect respect instead of EARNING respect. Burn their Damned EVIL Korans by the thousands and then tell those Murdering Muslim Monsters to either turn the other cheek or serve their EVIL demon and enslaver named Allah and his EVIL servent named Muhammad. Russia should send their military again into North Ossetia and fumigate and purge the EVIL disease called Islam from all of Christian North Ossetia before the Evil Murdering Muslim Monsters kill any more innocent Ossetian Christians. Christian Ossetians are the majority in Russian North Ossetia and Christian Ossetians have always been the majority in North Ossetia and previously in all of South Ossetia in the Caucasus Mountains, however the Mass Murderer Muslim Monsters want to exterminate all Christians or Infidels in both North Ossetia and also in South Ossetia. Without the help of the Russian Military, the Mass Murdering Muslim Monsters would have already mass murdered all Christian Ossetians in North Ossetia and the Muslim Mass Murderer Monsters would have chased out and driven the Christian Ossetian survivors out of North Ossetia to immediately establish another Islamic Fascist Republic of the Devil or Satan named Allah and his Evil sadistic mass murderer servant and slave named Muhammad which of course would be founded in the spilled blood of innocent North Ossetian Christians or Infidels.

  • Norm

    If (Pastor?) Terry Jones is so blessed, I suggest he go to Afghanistan and burn his Korans there. Let him be where the troops are and where he has some skin in the game.

    • http://naver samurai

      Go home norm, your boyfriend is calling you!

  • chuck b

    norm

    so what are you saying? if jones burns the qur’an, this will make the muslims mad and they will really try to kill our troops in afghanistan and iraq? are you really serious!! omly a liberal could come up with this pathetic reasoning.

  • Meager Loss

    No, don’t burn that Koran. Much loss will incurr. Instead, when you are in the bathroom and there is no toilet paper at hand, you do not have to quit the room, use a page from the Koran.

  • chuck b

    meager loss

    much loss will incur???. today the muslims are burning the bible and the cross. the wimps in this country are cowering down, oh! don’t burn the qur’an it might incur treachery and violence from the islam world. baloney send them a misguided cruise missle.

    • eddie47d

      I hope you print your gods’ name on that missle So it doesn’t get confused with our real God!

  • http://gmail i41

    Make sure you put plenty of hog fat on every thing and on the missle, also stop at Smithfeild Food and get a tanker load of pig blood, open the spicket and keep them at bay. Heard it works like garlic on Dracula.

  • chuck b

    eddie47

    my god says there is no other god and we should not worship idols. so i guess that leaves out the moon god allah.

  • Kaye

    All you good, upstanding Christian folk know, don’t you, that this problem can only result in violence. I hope you are all armed and prepared.
    Thank God, Americans are still ready,able and willing to defend ourselves by whatever means necessary.
    My daughter, who is a police officer, has told me that her department has received intelligence regarding the taliban taking violent retaliatory measures against koran burners. She takes it so seriously, that she advised me not to burn it.
    Myself, I am armed and ready, and if I die for the burning, I can’t think of a better cause to die for.
    If I live so long, I will post my burning on YouTube.

  • Kaye

    They will strike us at home if they can.
    Believe me, I am not insensitive to our troops and their risk. I have a daughter in the military who has been in Afghanistan, Irag twice, and Kuwait-where she contracted T.B.
    We have to stand up and take General Black Jack Pershing for an example and deal harshly and violently with these scumbags.

  • hundabuxt

    What I believe Kaye is refering to is an incident in the Phillipians during our occupation in the early 20th century where Pershing captured a few muslum insurgents, wrapped them in pig skins, shot them and poured pig blood and guts into the graves. He left one alive to witness the event, turned him loose to tell his muslum brothers not to f..k with Pershing.

  • http://naver samurai

    I got cut off before, so let’s try this again. Some things about the unholy book of the koran:

    1. Why allah hates infidels and what he has in store for them.
    2. There are many violent passages and lots of worrisome language.
    3. Mandatory warfare on non-believers. Traditional muslims take these as priority over more peaceful passages.
    4. Retells stories about prophets of the Bible, but alters them to support Muhammed’s claim to be a prophet.
    5. The retelling of the Exodus and the important element that is left out every time.
    6. It’s really just about Muhammed and nothing else.
    7. It was compiled from Jewish, Christian, and pagan sources.
    8. It spews a lot of hatred towards the Jews and not an import from Christianity.
    9. Disrespects other religions and there leaders.
    10. Preposterous teachings about Abraham, Moses, and Jesus.
    11. It reduces the status of women to that of commodities. Gee, this would make them property and not human. Sounds like slavery to me.
    12. The false story about Muhammed and how the koran was compiled. It was taken form The Revelation in the Bible.
    13. The worst sin for all muslims. It’s not murder, rape, or genecide. You’re probably committing it.
    14. The koran was never altered, but this too is a lie.

    These are just a few of what this book is about. Munir, can you respond to these 14 points without ranting or sounding ignorant? Personally, I’ve always thought of myself as a Crusader. FOR GOD (not allah) AND COUNTRY!

    • Kaye

      Samurai,
      We all know from The Bible that Islam is the bastard form of the Jewish religion.
      They only have the favor they enjoy because they are the illegitimate get of Abraham.

      • http://naver samurai

        Well said, Kaye!

        • Munir Munshey

          12. The false story about Muhammed and how the koran was compiled. It was taken form The Revelation in the Bible.

          You think the Koran “was taken” from the bible? I read the book of revelation, and I still do not understand what you mean. Please elaborate and be specific. Which part or parts of the book you think have been plagiarized?

          The first part of the question raised is also ambiguous. What do you mean about “the false story of Muhammed”?

          This can be taken to mean that the entire story is false, and that there was no such person. Everything about him is a myth. Such has been alleged about Jesus. Several books have been written claiming that historically Jesus did not exist.

          Little is known about Jesus from non-religious sources. Leave the bible aside, and one would be hard pressed to prove that he existed. Christians claim that Josephus a historian (circa 100AD) has devoted one paragraph to Jesus. About a dozen of his manuscripts are known to exist, and only two of them have this paragraph. Both these copies have been introduced to the world through Esubius, a 4th century Christian scholar. It has been established by scholars that it was a fraud perpetrated by Esubius.

          When it comes to the prophet of Islam there is no such ambiguity. No scholar of repute has ever claimed that he did not exist. The prophet of Islam was not just a sage but a head of State. The statements he made were taken note of in foreign capitals. His emissaries were received by the kings and Emperors and granted official status. The letters he sent to them were recorded in their official ledgers. Thirty five such letters have been recorded in history. Five of those actual letters are found in Museums. The recipients include the Emperor of Rome, Heraclius, and the Emperor of the Persian Empire, Pervaiz.

          The Roman Empire sent their army twice to defeat Islam. That is history. The Intelligence agencies of both of these super powers had a stake in what was brewing in Arabia. Within 20 years of the completion of the revelation of God, the Quran, both these superpowers ended up fighting the followers of the prophet. Both these super powers ended up losing their empire. That is history.

          The Nationalist leader of India told the British back when India was still enslaved by the Christians, “First you will ignore us, then you will mock us, then you will persecute us, and then we will win”. That is true of religious as well as non-religious movements. Islam was ignored, mocked and persecuted for thirteen years. Then Islam won. The prophet of Islam lived for another ten years as the head of the Islamic State.

          Jesus was the Messiah. He was ignored, mocked and persecuted. That took three years. After he was gone, the followers were overtaken by grief, guilt and bewilderment. “How could that happen?” they asked. “He was sent by God; God was his guardian. He was the awaited Messiah”. They were convinced it was their fault and for long years they awaited his return. The bible said Jesus would return in their life time.

          Many sects arose each with its own set of gospels. After a generation or two, when the eye-witnesses had gone, the guilt slowly dissipated. Some leaders come in contact with Mithraism and were influenced by it. It wasn’t our fault they said. Jesus was the son of God like Mithra was the son of God, they said. Jesus was killed to wash the sins of mankind, just like Mithra was killed. Jesus rose from the dead, just like Mithra did, they concluded. Such were the established beliefs of the religion of Mithraism quite prevalent among Romans.

          So the merger took place. Mithraism was looking to expand with fresh zeal, and some followers of Jesus were looking for converts and redemption from guilt.

          The symbiosis gave rise to Christianity. That word, “Christianity” was unknown during the time of Jesus. Scholars say it was first heard in Anatolia probably in the second century or later.

          In the fourth century King Constantine gave his patronage to the wrong sect. The true followers of Jesus were declared “heretics” and hunted down. It took over two centuries for them to fade away.

          The Story of the prophet of Islam is not false. Jesus, too, existed, despite the lack of proof of his existence in secular sources. I merely wanted to draw a comparison.

    • Munir Munshey

      Samurai,
      Yes I will answer your 14 points. Feel free to add.
      1. Why allah hates infidels and what he has in store for them.
      There are many violent passages and lots of worrisome language.
      The word “infidel” is an English word. Not found in the Quran. In English the word means ‘unfaithful’. The word in the Quran that often is translated as Infidel is “Kafir” and it literally means a ‘denier’ and an ‘unbeliever”. Another word that might be apt here is “mushriq’ and that means he who ascribes partners with God. Christians do ascribe partners with God. They say “God has a son” That is specifically mentioned as the gravest sin. Not one of the gravest, but rather the gravest. Others who say God has a wife, or sons or daughters are also the ‘mushriqs’. Why does God hate infidels, you ask? God does not, rather the infidels hate God, so much so that they say God came over a woman, and begot a son!
      What is in store for them, you ask? In this world they will live out their lives. According to the laws of God, they will receive the provisions of life. Collectively too they may prosper, or not, based on the efforts they make.
      What will happen to them after they die? Nobody can say about any individual. Nobody knows the intimate details of any other human being’s life.
      This life is a test. A continuous video is being made of their life, every second of it. Every thought that enters their minds is being recorded. This complete record will be presented before God on the Day of Judgment.
      When will that Day of Judgment be? Nobody knows. It will be after all human beings destined to arrive in this world had arrived.
      Court will be held by God. All human beings that ever lived will be in attendance. You will have an opportunity to explain yourself.
      This is the teaching of the Quran. No body will be punished unless they had received the truth in this life. Only the individual knows when he received the truth, as well as why he denied it, if he denies it.
      Those who really did not receive the truth can be tested again on that day. The Day of Judgment is 50,000 years long!
      Individuals can be judged in accordance with the conscience that God has placed in every individual. This world has never been without the truth or guidance by the messengers of God. Jesus’ real teachings remained in existence up until the final messenger arrived. Yet there were people during the time of Jesus who had never heard of Jesus.
      Messengers of God were sent to every single part of this world. Hundreds of thousands of messengers were sent to this world. They all taught Islam. Nothing but Islam. People will be judged by the teachings of the messengers who came to the part of the world in which they lived and died. That is unless they received the message of the Last messenger.
      2. There are many violent passages and lots of worrisome language.

      There are no violent passages. The passages that are perceived by the propagandist as violent are those where the Quran instructs its adherents not to buckle under when the enemies invade. It asks them to resist the invaders, and to struggle the utmost against tyranny, oppression, and injustice. Such passages should be worrisome only to the tyrants, the unjust and the oppressors.
      Violent actually are the verses of the bible. Savage and mindless and unexplainable. If you wish I could quote from the bible to prove the point.
      3 Mandatory warfare on non-believers. Traditional muslims take these as priority over more peaceful passages.

      There is no mandatory warfare in Islam. Wars can be defensive, or waged to prevent the enemy from launching a lethal first blow. According to the sharia no Muslim is allowed to take the law into his own land, or attack the assets of the foreign governments. Only the State can declare war. According to the sharia ordinary Muslims may take up arms only against their own government.

      • coal miner

        Muni,

        Very good.

      • http://naver samurai

        Then why do muslims call us the “great satan” and make war with the U.S., the West, Jews, and Christians? Why would the Janissaries of Turkey at the Siege of Malta (1430′s, 1440′s) say that if they kill a Christian, they’re place in heaven will be assured? Why would they wear bracelets, chains with little plates on them, that told of the ways of Islam? Why did they wear white colored clothing into battle? Was it to be purified in the heat of battle for allah? Why did the calif from Africa come north into Spain to fight against the Christian Kingdoms there and try to kill a man called “El Cid”? His vision was the conquest of all of Europe for the glory of allah. These really don’t sound like how a peaceful religion should operate, does it? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY (not allah)!

    • Munir Munshey

      There are rules laid down by the sharia, for the Muslims to take up arms against their own governments. Their government has to have become corrupt according to strictly laid out criteria of the sharia. It is not left upon the whim of the individuals.

      • http://naver samurai

        Thank you for answering the first 3 points. Thank you for stepping up to my challenge, I’m impressed. I just want to know when you are going to answer the other 11 points? Take your time, I’ll still be here. Very informative. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Munir Munshey

      The Quran is not a book of stories, nor is it a book of history. It always _ with one exception _ recalls elements of past events just as evidence of the truth of its teachings. It might say for instance, “Remember what happened to Moses …”, and then it will narrate a few events briefly, very succinctly, often in just a line or two. Sometimes more than a few lines are devoted to narrating the past events, but the style is always to draw the parallel between past events and the story unfolding there in the desert of Arabia. The Quran always quickly returns to its subject: It invites people towards God.

      There are three postulates of the ideology of the Quran: 1) This universe has a Creator, only One. 2) Life is not purposeless. This life is just a test. There is an afterlife where the result of the test will be known and its consequences will unfold. 3) God chose people as messengers to convey the ideology _ the ideology of the Quran. Such messengers came to all lands and all people. The books given to them were in the languages that those people spoke. There was no difference between any of the messengers. Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus preached exactly the same ideology. So did every other messenger mentioned in the bible. So did every messenger not mentioned in the bible, like those who came to India, China, Europe, and elsewhere. We do not know all their names. Names are not important. This verse of the Quran says it better than anybody can ever say:

      2:285 The messenger believes in whatever is revealed to him by his Lord; so do the believers! They all believe in God, His angels, (all) His scriptures, and (all) His messengers. (They say), “We do not differentiate between any of His messengers!”

      Certain elements of the stories have been left out. For instance, the part of the story narrated by the bible, where Prophet Lot has incest with his two daughters is omitted, because it is a slander. It is a stinking filthy lie. Prophets are the paragon of excellence. All prophets are. Scholars have identified at least ten cases of incest in the bible. All are ignored by the Quran. Some other elements are ignored because they were minor details, or otherwise incorrect.

      5. The retelling of the Exodus and the important element that is left out every time.

      That is demonstrably untrue. Just read the Quran. The name “Moses” appears in the Quran a lot more than the name “Muhammed”. If you want, I can quote specific verses, but it would be quite lengthy.

      More later!

    • Munir Munshey

      6. It’s really just about Muhammed and nothing else.

      If someone had said, The Gospels are “really just about Jesus and nothing else”, he would only be partly correct. The Gospels are definitely about Jesus, but not “nothing else”. Similarly the Quran is an ideology, and the last messenger is the medium through whom the ideology is conveyed to humanity. His task is not just to convey, but also to implement. And to that extent, it is about him. The “nothing else” part is just as untrue about the Quran, as it is about the gospels.

      • http://naver samurai

        Thank you once again for answering. People who have answered my challenges tend to get more respect from me. I do appreciate the explinations, no matter how lengthy being a historian, but it still doesn’t change my views about how the Judeo-Christian God is the one true God and Jesus is his Son. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Andy Howey

        This sounds like a round-about way of saying that Muslims idolize Mohammed. All his delightful personality flaws aside, that’s the biggest no-no in Islam. Muslims are not supposed idolize anyone or anything — they’re supposed to pour all of their devotions out to Allah.

        • Munir Munshey

          Messengers are a medium through whom God conveys his message. They are also the paragon of excellence for others to follows. Islam forbids the Muslims to make statues of the prophet, or to draw his pictures, or caricature them. They are strictly forbidden to turn the messenger into an idol.

          Christians make statues of Jesus, as well as depict him.

          The statues and pictures are not at all a likeness of him. Most of them depict a Caucasian man. Blacks in America have a picture of a black man, they call Jesus.

          All of them are idols. and standing in front of them in reverence is idolatory.

          • Andy Howey

            OK, smart one, if Muslims don’t idolize Mohammed, then why did all of Islam go ballistic when that Danish newspaper published those pictures of Mohammed? Why did Muslim go ballistic when the Pope implicitly linked Mohammed with terrorism. It would be really good if you would answer the question directly instead of deflecting it and spewing some nonsense about Christianity.

            Do people publish offensive pictures and other material about Jesus? Yes — all the time. Does all of Christianity come unglued and threaten holy retribution upon the offender(s)? No! Why? Because unlike you hypocritical muslims, we, at least most of us, recognize the freedom of speech and expression. You muslims try to use America’s Constititution against us. You come here, require us to acknowledge your twisted ideology as a religion, then you try to take away OUR freedom of speech by crying “religious persecution” and “hate crime” whenever we question what you say or do.

            Well, Buddy, if muslims are so unhappy in this country, they can move out — the Saudi government can foot the bill — they can afford it. Take the (New) Black Panthers with you — we don’t need them. Clear out Dearborn, Michigan, so that it is safe for freedom-loving people. All foreign muslims who own businesses here can relinquish them so that they don’t have to defile themselves by doing business here. After all, you’ve made it abundantly clear how important ritual cleanliness is to muslims. After they clear out of the US, they can clear out of Europe. Let them all settle in the Empty Quarter in Saudi Arabia — that way, they’ll be closer to Mecca. If Saudi Arabia isn’t to their liking, then perhaps Iran, or Somalia, or Kenya.

          • Munir Munshey

            Do people publish offensive pictures and other material about Jesus? Yes — all the time. Does all of Christianity come unglued and threaten holy retribution upon the offender(s)?

            That is a specific question from you. That I can answer.

            People do publish offensive pictures and other material about Jesus all the time _ IN THE COUNTRIES POPULATED BY CHRISTIANS.

            Please ponder over it! Ponder over it real well, and ask yourself this question.

            Why is Jesus insulted all the time IN THE COUNTRIES POPULATED BY CHRISTIANS, and by those who call themselves Christians?

            Why is it that offensive and false material about Jesus is never published in Muslim populated countries?

            Because Jesus is a revered and holy prophet of Islam! So is Moses! There would be a public outcry if anyone ever attempted to insult them.

            It is the Christian preachers themselves who began the insults when they called Jesus God or the son of God.

            They made it an article of faith that God mounted Mary, _ “came over” her, says the bible _ and “begot” a son by her.

            That is a stinking filthy insult. They reduced God to the level of a man. No insult can ever top that. A woman giving birth to God is like a frog giving birth to an elephant.

            You think God can be confined within less than one cubic meter of space, in the uterus? And for nine long months? Then after being born _ which means descending down the genital tract of a woman _ God suckles, is circumcised, eats, defecates and dies?
            An insult more than that is unimaginable!

          • Andy Howey

            No, Muslims don’t bother producing offensive pictures and “literature” about Jesus because, in places where they can get away with it, they are too busy desecrating and/or destroying churches and their contents, killing and/or raping nuns and priests and other religious, burning Bibles, or exhorting other to do it.

            Come on Munir, deny it if you can. Prove that you can’t tell the truth.

    • Munir Munshey

      Judaism, Christianity and the pagan religions are very divergent. Their amalgam would be incoherent. A compilation of religions is always riddled with inconsistencies. The lack of them in the Quran has been cited as the proof of its divine source. Says the Quran:

      4:82 Why don’t they ponder over the Qur’an? Had it been from a source other than God, they would have found a great deal of conflict (and contradiction) in it.

      That is the challenge thrown by the Quran. To disprove it, you need only find a conflict in it. The Quran has a unique style. Unlike the bible, it quotes the unbelievers arguments. Then it proceeds to rebut them. Here is an example:

      16:103 And surely, We know what they allege! That a man has taught him (Mohammed, SAW)! The language of the one they allude to, however, is not Arabic, while this (Qur’an) is in precise and perfect Arabic.

      Those who had grown up with the prophet had never heard those stories, and they knew he was unlettered. The unbelievers among them came up with an explanation that a certain foreigner residing in town at that time was secretly teaching him. History tells us that the verse above pulled the rug from under that charge. However, it is still being repeated by the propagandist among the non-Muslims.

      Atheists do not believe in the divine. They do not accept the divine authorship. They, as also the Christians, must look for the ‘sources’ of Quran.

      It is hard for them to accept that the same Creator who sent revelation to Moses, David, and Jesus, sent this revelation in Arabic, and declared it to be the last

    • Munir Munshey

      8. It spews a lot of hatred towards the Jews and not an import from Christianity.

      Someone who believes in the bible accuses the Quran of spewing hatred against the Jews. That is laughable! Jesus is reported to have called the Jews “sepents” “generation of vipers”, “fools”, “blind guides” and “fools and blind”. All of that in one chapter of one book.

      “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!” With this the following verses begin: Mat 23:13; Mat 23:14; Mat 23:15; Mat 23:23; Mat 23:25; Mat 23: 29

      The verse Mat 23:16 begins thus: “Woe unto you, [ye] blind guides,”

      The verse Mat 23:16 begins thus: “[Ye] fools and blind:”

      The verse Mat 23:16 begins thus: “[Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers,”

      Of course the Quran reprimands the Jews for their arrogance and their racism. They believed back then that they were the “chosen race”. They believed that only they will enter paradise, regardless of how many sins they commit, because they are the favorites of God.

      As if, this world was a football game and God had decided to root for the Jews. The Creator is the Creator of all. He loves all people and all ethnic groups equally. He created them all.

      The Quran says:

      49:13 Oh you people! We have certainly created you from one man, and a woman. Then We (multiplied you and) formed you into nations and tribes, (just) so you may identify and recognize each other. Indeed, according to God the nobler among you is (none other than) the one who fears God the most! Indeed, God is all-Knowing and well-Aware of everything.

      The Jews still call themselves the “chosen race”. The Christians are gullible enough to accept this racist claim of theirs.

      • jbird

        You are taking that out of context. He was addressing the Pharisees, not all Jews.

        • Munir Munshey

          Do you believe the pharisees were not Jewish?

          Elsewhere in the bible there are disparaging remarks against the high priest, and the Sadducee. The high priest is even accused of plotting the murder of Jesus. Was the high priest, the leader of all Jews at that time, or just of the pharisees?

          Pardon me,

          Would you also accept that many a times, the Quran is quoted out of context?

          • jbird

            I am specifically addressing your comment. Jesus was not condemning all Jews, he was condemning the actions of the Pharisees, which was a sect of the Jews. Jesus also condemned the Sadducees and anyone who had corrupted the wishes of the Father through tradition or false teaching. He also chastised those who blindly followed them. However, the Gospel was taken to the Jews first. When they rejected it it went to the Gentiles.

            And certainly the Quran is sometimes taken out of context. To deny that would be preposterous.

          • Andy Howey

            Munir: You need to go back and learn elementary algebra (which, by the way, the Arabs DID NOT invent — the Egyptians and Greeks were using algebra at least 1000 years before Mohammed came on the scene) and learn about sets. All Pharisees were Jews, but not all Jews were/are Pharisees.

          • Munir Munshey

            jbird,

            Yes you are right, absolutely!

            That is precisely the purpose of the messenger: to cleanse and purify the teaching of the previous messenger.

            When the teaching of Abraham was corrupted, diluted and influenced by the pagans, Moses was sent to bring the God-fearing people back to the true path.

            With the passage of time, the teachings of Moses became corrupted. two thousand years had elapsed between Moses and Jesus. Even the languages had changed. The book given to Moses was lost and remained lost for centuries.

            Jesus was sent to cleanse and purify the corrupted teachings of Moses.

            Exactly in the same manner, when the teachings of Jesus became corrupted, and the dogma of salvation by blood became established, the true teachings of the messengers were completely lost.

            The last messenger was sent to revive the belief in the ONE TRUE GOD, who does not play favorites by choosing a race over others, and who does not have a wife, a kid or a business partner.

          • Jana

            Munir,

            Do you know how we can tell you have had these different scriptures spoon fed to you? Because you have no comprehension of what you are talking about.
            You said you have shrugged off insults. Ha, you started it by making your stupid threats which you should NOT have done. All you are doing is making us mad and showing any and all of those who have eyes to see, what type of people you are.
            You copied these scriptures like you were so proud that you found something incriminating in the Bible.

            Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!” With this the following verses begin: Mat 23:13; Mat 23:14; Mat 23:15; Mat 23:23; Mat 23:25; Mat 23: 29

            The verse Mat 23:16 begins thus: “Woe unto you, [ye] blind guides,”

            The verse Mat 23:16 begins thus: “[Ye] fools and blind:”

            The verse Mat 23:16 begins thus: “[Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers,”

            You bet Jesus was calling them fools and blind, and vipers and hyprocties.

            EXPLANATION:

            Jesus was talking to those who were supposed to be the spiritual leaders at that time, and actually to any spiritual leaders in the future that would lie to thier flock, and lead them astray. Just like your Imams of today, and any person that would not teach the truth.

            You still have not ansered my question.
            WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOUR DAUGHTER OR SISTER WOULD COME HOME AND ANNOUNCE THAT SHE WAS A CHRISTIAN, OR GOING TO MARRY A CHRISTIAN?

    • Munir Munshey

      9. Disrespects other religions and there leaders.

      Jesus is the leader of Christianity. He is glorified in the Quran. Mary is “elevated above all the women of this world” The Quran says:

      3:42 And (remember) when the angels said to Mary, “Oh Mary! Indeed Allah picked and purified you, and preferred you over all the women of the world.”

      That you think is disrespect, Sir? Mary is elevated above all women, not just over the Christian women, nor just over the Muslim women.

      The Quran does not disrespect Jesus or his religion. It rather reprimands you for saying God has a son, because that insults Jesus and insults God.

      Moses is the leader of Judaism. Moses is mentioned more often in the Quran then any other name. The prophet of Islam called him “my brother”. You think that is disrespect?

      The Quran reprimands Jews for arrogantly calling themselves “the chosen race”.

      About the Christians, this is what the Quran says:

      5:82 ……. You will (also) find that for the believers, (the least hostile and) the friendliest people are those who say, “We are Christians”. This is because, among them are many learned persons, monks and others who are not (arrogant and) proud.

      You think that is disrespect?

      Few Christians have read the Quran. They have been fed snippets from the Quran lifted out of context. If only they would read the Quran. IF only!

    • Munir Munshey

      10. Preposterous teachings about Abraham, Moses, and Jesus.

      Like Moses and Jesus, Abraham too is mentioned in the Quran quite often. According to the Quran, all the prophets mentioned in the bible were Muslim, and what they taught was Islam.

      The differences that now exist between Christianity, Judaism, and the pagan religions on the one hand and Islam on the other is the degree and direction in which they deviated from Islam.

      Christianity invented the concept of blood atonement. The Jews invented the concept of the “chosen race” out of arrogance. All others were cast off as “gentiles”.

      Hindus invented the three manifestation of God, like the Christians did. Then the Hindus proceeded to invent wives for each manifestation of God, and further manifestations of each of the wives of God.

      The Quran declares that the Creator is only One, who has no wife, no partner and no son.

      It merely purifies the truth that had been tainted, smeared and corrupted by the followers of the previous messengers of God.

      Abraham said, “There is no god but God, and Abraham is the messenger of God”. The divine message was conveyed to humanity through him in his time.

      Moses said, “There is no god but God, and Moses is the messenger of God”

      Jesus said, “There is no god but God, and Jesus is the messenger of God”

      Their followers deviated.

      Christians now say, “There is one God, but .. but… Jesus is also God … and so is the Holy Ghost … and these three are (is) One.”

      Jews say, “There is one God, but … but … he is the God of the Israelites”, leaving the impression that the non-Jews (the non-chosen ones) were perhaps created by a lesser God.

      Hindus say, “Yes there is only one god, but everything and being in this world has a part of God. So one can worship anything and everything”

      The Quran reprimands the Christians, the Jews and the pagans for deviating from the notion of ONE GOD ONLY.

      The leaders spoke the truth. The followers deviated.

      Preposterous is the teachings of the followers.

      • Andy Howey

        Munir: “Judaism, Christianity, and Paganism deviated from Islam”? That is the height of arrogance!!! That presumes that Judaism, Christianity, and all other religions are derived from Islam, which is utter nonsense!!! How can Judaism or Christianity have deviated or been derived from Islam, when Islam didn’t exist when these religions came about? That one statement utterly and completely invalidates everything else you’ve said. Not only does Islam try to co-opt God, Jesus, and the prophets, it tries to co-opt the religions.

        • Munir Munshey

          Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism etc. are not DERIVED from Islam.

          Islam was the only religion that was ever sent to humanity by the Creator. Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, John the Baptist, and Jesus were given Islam to preach. All of them preached Islam.

          The messengers who came to India were given Islam to preach and those messengers preached nothing but Islam.

          Each messenger preached in the language that was spoken in his land, and in his time.

          The languages were different, but the religion was the same.

          As time went on, their teachings were corrupted.

          The religions that now go by different names, are the corrupted forms of Islam that was taught by the particular messenger in that particular language and time.

          For example, the religion God sent to India was Islam. It was in the Indian language, Sanskirt, or Pali or any other. After the death of the messengers they called their departed messenger God-incarnate. Christians chose the word “son of God”. Most probably the term “son of God” in Aramaic meant “the righteous one”. The deviants took it literally because that helped them invent the dogma of blood atonement. In the present Indian language, Hindi, there is a term “the cow of God”, and that means “a gentle righteous person”

          The Last messenger of God presented Islam to his people. He said clearly to his people: I have not brought anything different. It is the same religion that was given to all previous messengers.

          • Andy Howey

            Munir: Now you’ve called yourself a liar. You said that the “other” religions had deviated from Islam. By extension, you’re claiming that Islam is the source of the “other” religions. If you’re claiming that Islam is the source, then you’re most certainly claiming that the “other” religions are derived from Islam. That is the height of arrogance!!!

    • Munir Munshey

      11. It reduces the status of women to that of commodities. Gee, this would make them property and not human. Sounds like slavery to me.

      You are quite right in that women are not treated the way they should be in many countries that have a majority Muslim population. Yet, there is considerable exaggeration in the western media about it.

      If looked at from the point of view of the feminists, of course Islam does not measure up, and would probably never want to measure up.

      Here is what Islam gives the women.

      Islam gives the women the right to work and earn. More importantly, Islam grants the women the right NOT TO work as well. Without the right NOT TO work, the right to work merely becomes THE OBLIGATION to work.

      In Islam men have an obligation to work and earn a living for his wife and kids. Woman has a right to work. If a woman decides to work, she does not have to share her earning with her husband. The expenditure on the kids and wife is strictly and exclusively the responsibility of the husband. According to the sharia, the women may charge her husband money for the chores, and even for raising his child. Of course when the marriage is based on love, women do not force this on their husbands.

      In Islam the women have the right to divorce her husband. While doing so, she is not obligated to give any reason for her decision. To the judge, she may simply say, “I want a divorce, because I want to divorce. I do not have to give any reason”. The Judge may not deny the petition of the women to divorce.

      A man too has a right to divorce his wife. He does not even have to appear before the court. He simply has to inform the court. His obligation is to cohabitate with his wife for about 4 months after invoking divorce. Should there be a sexual contact between the two during those 4 months the divorce is null and void.

      Muslims too have deviated. Nowadays, the husband divorces and separates from his wife almost right away.

      The woman has the right to own property, and her business. She has a right to keep her maiden name even while married. In fact, it is recommended that she does.

      The woman has the right to remarry after her husband dies or divorces her. She has a right to inherit from her husband, her father, and her children. Because her financial responsibilities are fewer, she inherits half of what her brother does.

      Compare that with other religions. Hindus do not allow a woman to divorce, nor to inherit anything from her father ever. In Christianity, till a few decades ago, a woman had to prove infidelity, cruelty or impotency before she may have her divorce. She did not have a right to have a bank account until not too long ago.

      There are differences between a man and woman. The differences are not just anatomical, they are physiological, psychological, neurological and more.

      That does not make her inferior. She is physically weaker, but has more endurance. She has the ability to multi-task far better than a man. She is intuitive, more articulate, and more perceptive on an emotional level.

      Nature _ or call it God _ has equipped her not just to bring forth the next generation (which a man obviously cannot), but to groom and polish it too.

      Islam has placed upon the woman a responsibility to raise the kids and instill morality, civility and etiquettes into the next generation.

      There are many things wrong in the Muslim societies because of centuries of neglect and slavery. Revivalist movements are afoot everywhere nowadays, and many a times women spearhead such movements. But they do not want to adopt the western mores. They want to return to Islam and sharia.

      Immorality has gone global and Muslims are concerned about it just as much as the devout Christians are. Those living in America should know what I am talking about. So many folks are opting for home-schooling because of the state of affairs in the school system. High rate of divorces, broken homes, unwed mothers, rapes, violence, and adultery (both pre and extra marital), break up of famiy and family values should be a cause for concern for all. Perhaps we should not have legalized abortion.

      Muslims do have these problems, but not quite that acute. They are scared that these “western ills” will invade their lands soon. The thinking people among them are looking for answer. They are looking at answers suggested by the sharia.

      One such answer is the hijab. The Quran mandates it. But some overstate and opt for complete face-veil. Most scholars, even from previous centuries agree that the face-veil is not required by Islam. But the hijab certainly is.

      Like I mentioned, there is confusion and corruption in the world, and so also in the Muslim world. The sharia recommends Hijab, but does not make it a crime to be prosecuted. Some countries make it a crime not to wear the hijab. They think extreme times call for extreme measures. Some countries have made it a crime for women to wear a hijab, like Turkey and Morocco.

      About one thing the critics of Islam are right. Islam definitely makes the extra marital relationships to be a crime. Not only a sin! Devout Christians too would call it a sin. So would a Hindu, a Budhist, or the adherents of any other religion.

      The sharia declares it to be a crime.

      • Andy Howey

        Yeah, right, Islam gives women the right to work or to not work as their choice may be. Islam also gives men the right to abuse women, so, if a man’s wife(wives) aren’t pulling their weight according to the husband’s expectations, the Qur’an says that he may beat her/them as he sees fit. It also gives the husband the right to summarily divorce with minimal cause and without recourse.

        In terms of “legal” proceedings in a man versus a woman, a woman has to have four witnesses for every one that the man may have, and none of her witnesses may be women. Since Islamic “society” is so male-dominated, no man is going to testify against another man, not even in a rape case. In fact, in a rape case, the woman will most likely be accused of adultery and sentenced to death by stoning. Remember what I said about your “glorious” Allah requiring human sacrifice.

        • Jana

          Andy,
          I couldn’t have said it any better.
          Munir has been on a Muslim site that gives scriptures that is supposed to put down the Bible, the TRUE WORD OF GOD, and he has no idea what he is even talking about. He is so misinformed and he likes to threaten, look at his very first post on this site. He is like a roaring lion, hmm remind you of anyone?

          The only reason I am answering him is for those who don’t know the answer or how to even talk to a very misinformed misguided Muslim.
          He says that maybe some are taking the Quran out of context, no we aren’t. We are watching how they act, how they treat people and how they live, how can that be taken out of context.

          We also know that not all Muslims are bad people, but they cannot seem to understand that not all non Muslims are Christians. Look at ole coal miner. He even hates God and shows it by his contemptible actions and words that he writes.

          Any one that could possibly think that Hitler was a Christian is someone that is just not very smart and a total idiot.

          The Bible says we know them by their fruits. Hitler produced rotten fruit.
          Munir and coal think they are smart, they are just feeding each other.

          Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise they became fools.

          I have nothing but pity for either of these two men.

    • Munir Munshey

      12. The false story about Muhammed and how the koran was compiled. It was taken form The Revelation in the Bible.

      You think the Koran “was taken” from the bible? I read the book of revelation, and I still do not understand what you mean. Please elaborate and be specific. Which part or parts of the book you think have been plagiarized?

      The first part of the question raised is also ambiguous. What do you mean about “the false story of Muhammed”?

      This can be taken to mean that the entire story is false, and that there was no such person. Everything about him is a myth. Such has been alleged about Jesus. Several books have been written claiming that historically Jesus did not exist.

      Little is known about Jesus from non-religious sources. Leave the bible aside, and one would be hard pressed to prove that he existed. Christians claim that Josephus a historian (circa 100AD) has devoted one paragraph to Jesus. About a dozen of his manuscripts are known to exist, and only two of them have this paragraph. Both these copies have been introduced to the world through Esubius, a 4th century Christian scholar. It has been established by scholars that it was a fraud perpetrated by Esubius.

      When it comes to the prophet of Islam there is no such ambiguity. No scholar of repute has ever claimed that he did not exist. The prophet of Islam was not just a sage but a head of State. The statements he made were taken note of in foreign capitals. His emissaries were received by the kings and Emperors and granted official status. The letters he sent to them were recorded in their official ledgers. Thirty five such letters have been recorded in history. Five of those actual letters are found in Museums. The recipients include the Emperor of Rome, Heraclius, and the Emperor of the Persian Empire, Pervaiz.

      The Roman Empire sent their army twice to defeat the Muslims. That is history. The Intelligence agencies of both of these super powers had a stake in what was brewing in Arabia. Within 20 years of the completion of the revelation of God, the Quran, both these superpowers ended up fighting the followers of the prophet. Both these super powers ended up losing their empire. That is history.

      The Nationalist leader of India told the British back when India was still enslaved by the Christians, “First you will ignore us, then you will mock us, then you will persecute us, and then we will win”. That is true of religious as well as non-religious movements. Islam was ignored, mocked and persecuted for thirteen years. Then Islam won. The prophet of Islam lived for another ten years as the head of the Islamic State.

      Jesus was the Messiah. He was ignored, mocked and persecuted. That took three years. After he was gone, the followers were overtaken by grief, guilt and bewilderment. “How could that happen?” they asked. “He was sent by God; God was his guardian. He was the awaited Messiah”. They were convinced it was their fault and for long years they awaited his return. The bible said Jesus would return in their life time.

      Many sects arose each with its own set of gospels. After a generation or two, when the eye-witnesses had gone, the guilt slowly dissipated. Some leaders come in contact with Mithraism and were influenced by it. It wasn’t our fault they said. Jesus was the son of God like Mithra was the son of God, they said. Jesus was killed to wash the sins of mankind, just like Mithra was killed. Jesus rose from the dead, just like Mithra did, they concluded. Such were the established beliefs of the religion of Mithraism quite prevalent among Romans.

      So the merger took place. Mithraism was looking to expand with fresh zeal, and some followers of Jesus were looking for converts and redemption from guilt.

      The symbiosis gave rise to Christianity. That word, “Christianity” was unknown during the time of Jesus. Scholars say it was first heard in Anatolia probably in the second century or later.

      In the fourth century Constantine gave his patronage to the wrong sect. The true followers of Jesus were declared “heretics” and hunted down. It took over two centuries for them to fade away.

      The Story of the prophet of Islam is not false. Jesus, too, existed, despite the lack of proof of his existence in secular sources. I merely wanted to draw a comparison.

    • Munir Munshey

      13. The worst sin for all muslims. It’s not murder, rape, or genecide. You’re probably committing it.

      The worst sin in Islam is to associate partners with God, in any shape or form. To say God has a wife, or brother, or father, or sister, or daughter or a busioness partner is the gravest sin. How grave? The Quran says it better:

      19:88 What? Do they say Rehman (the Most Merciful, i.e God) has a son?
      19:89 They have surely brought forth a grave thing!
      19:90 So grave, indeed, that it may cause the earth to explode into pieces! Or the mountains may come tumbling down! Or the heavens might just crack asunder!
      19:91 They have dared to assign a son for Rehman (the Most Merciful, i.e God)!
      19:92 It is not befitting for Rehman (the Most Merciful, i.e. God) to have a son!
      19:93 Every being in the heavens and on the earth shall come before Rehman (the Most Merciful, i.e. God) as a slave!
      19:94 He is aware of their exact number, and He has counted them all up!
      19:95 On the Day of Judgment, each of them shall arrive all alone, and shall be on his own!

    • Munir Munshey

      14. The koran was never altered, but this too is a lie.

      Here are the verifiable facts:

      The Quran became the constitution of the newly formed state, even before it was completed. It was the source of Law. That status the Quran has never relinquished. Since then, never has a day dawned on this world when the Quran did not serve as the constitution and the source of law of one country or another. It was often the constitution of the super power of the time.

      Would it be believable if someone suggested that the Constitution of the United States has been stealthily altered? To suggest that the Quran has been altered is about that ridiculous.

      Within 12 years of the death of the prophet Islamic State had expanded over a vast swath of land. There were seven provinces. Islamic law prevailed. Judges had to settle disputes in accordance with the Quran. Seven official copies written on parchment were prepared and dispatched to these seven provinces. Three of those original manuscripts are still found in Museums.

      These are verifiable facts. One of these copies fell into German hands during WW1. Article 242 of the Treaty of Versailles called for its return.

      That original manuscript is now housed in the TopKapi Museum in Istanbul. Another one is in the Musum in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. It is part of UNESCO’s “memories of the World” program.

      During the time of the prophet, people were encouraged to memorize the entire Quran. Thousands of people memorized it. Such people are called “hafith”. Ever since the time of the prophet Hafith have been teaching others to memorize the entire Quran directly. At present, tens of millions of people exist who have memorized the entire Quran.

      The Quran is the Constitution of Islam. It is recited once a year from memory in front of large audiences all across the world, in the ninth month of the Islamic calendar. The one reciting the Quran does not read from a book, he recites entirely from memory. In the United States, this is done at thousands of places. That event lasts the whole month and is very well attended. This miracle of the Quran is put on display every year and is open to all

      Some other differences between the language of the Quran and the languages of the other scriptures:

      The language of the Quran, Arabic, is one of only six official languages of the United Nations. The languages in which the other scriptures were revealed are dead.

      Over a hundred million people speak the language of the Quran as a matter of routine.

      It is taught in almost all major Universities of the World.

      One can conduct an experiment. Buy a copy of the Quran printed in Indonesia, then travel to a remote village in Central Africa, Find a blind hafith who has been blind since birth. Then compare what he recites against the copy of the Quran purchased in Indonesia.

      If there is no difference, then you should conclude that Quran has not been changed.

      • Andy Howey

        Munir: According the legends of Islam, there can’t be an “original” copy of the Qur’an. That would mean that Mohammed himself wrote it, and according to Islamic mythology, he was illiterate. Any copies that exist are transcriptions of what he allegedly said.

        • Jana

          Andy H,
          You are right. They found scaps of paper all over the place where those around old Mohammad had written down what he had said. Nothing was in order either. Just thousands of scaps of paper.

          Another point I have noticed, Munir has never answered what he would do if his daughter or sister would come home and say they have converted to Christianity.
          It is because he would either denounce them, call them dead to him or what cut off thier head? or beat them? or both?

  • Valeria

    There is a misconception of Christians. Real Christians are warriors , in Jesus own words, “If you don’t have one sell your garment and buy a sword”. Turning the other cheek has for centuries been taken out of context to trick the people into helplessness by brainwashing aggressors of organized religion much like the billions muslims have been brainwashed into wanting to behead infidels.

    It is not politically correct but it is true to say that millions of Americans are rooting for Pastor Terry Jones because they rightfully see him as one of the few leaders that has the viceral fortitude (translated as GUTS) to stand toe to toe with the conniving CORDOBA mosque organizers. Most of these muslims are parasites that would like to suck the life from our beloved country. They are excellent pretenders until they get the upper hand then WATCH OUT! We all know why these snakes in the grass called the proposed mosque Cordoba and it is a major slap in the face to all Americans with red blood in their veins. If you are too whimpy and politically correct to confront this problem with strength and courage then stand aside and let the good Pastor Terry Jones and real men like him handle it.

    • Kaye

      Amen, Valeria!

    • Jana

      Valeria,
      Great post. You have spoken the truth. Thank God that some of us are still true warriours and not cowards.

      • Jana

        We know how to stand up to the lies and deceptions of satan and ALL of his followers.

        • coal miner

          Jana,

          Here is a Myth that Christianity might came from.

          http://www.art-arena.com/godspersia.htm

          • Andy Howey

            Coal Miner: How do you derive Christianity from that? One could theoretically (and I stress “theoretically”) equate Ahura Mazda with God the Father, but where is Jesus? Where is the Holy Spirit? Where is Mary? Where is Joseph?

          • Jana

            Andy,
            coal miner said it was a MYTH that Christianity MAY have come from. Of course it is a myth.
            As Andy has noted he is taking his information from Muslim sites, which makes me wonder if he is a muslim, or being paid by the Muslims.
            Andy, he is pro Islam, anti God. Any time he can put down the Bible or God he does.

          • Jana

            These type of people would do anything to distort the truth in any form. They distort the Bible, they distort common sense they distorted what Liberal is supposed to stand for, and turn anything good or decent into evil. Yep, his heart is as black as his lungs after having worked in the coal mines. Jesus can wash away that blackness.

          • coal miner

            Jana and Andy,

            More proof.Mithraism and christianity:

            http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/mithraism.html

          • Andy Howey

            Thanks, Jana. I’ve pretty much come to the same conclusion about him. He doesn’t try to present any argument, just starts flinging URLs pointing to Islamic, atheistic, or wacked-out web sites. It does seem pretty obvious where his loyalties lie.

    • Integrity First

      Say it again Valeria,I did read it right and heard it strait,It just sounded so good coming out of your hot blooded American mouth!

  • Kaye

    God-fearing Christians of the USA, I am ashamed to say I wimped out on burning the Koran today.
    Still and all, once again I am ashamed to say, when I work myself up and figure out the most damaging strike I can deliver to Islam, I will not hesitate to do so.
    Islams, I do not fight you because I will get to reside in paradise after killing you and your kind. I fight you because you endanger the future of my grandchildren.
    I believe I have more fierce and recent warrior ancestors behind me than you do. I believe that the general population of the USA is well armed and ready to do you to the death, and I believe you ragheads are stupid and spiritually lacking. You cannot grasp the concept of the Trinity. You think in earthly terms, i.e, God cannot procreate without a procreatress. Well, my God can do anything and everything He has a mind to do. You don’t understand that, do you?
    The people of the USA for God and country!

    • http://naver samurai

      That’s OK, Kaye. I gave up my copy of the koran after I graduated from college.

  • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

    Yes Valeria, You are very perceptive. History records millions of REAL Christians who were 100% PURE warriors. If Christians did not take up the sword or fire a gun during much of the history of Christianity, then Christians would have been exterminated to total extinction long ago except perhaps for those few Christians who might seceretly worship their religion in hiding in the high mountains or in the deepest parts of the darkest forests of Europe. Just a suggestion. Pastor Terry Jones should burn one copy of the Koran for each and every individual victim or “Infidel” who was murdered on September 11, 2001 by those inhuman savage brutal EVIL Mass Murderer Muslim Monsters. Hopefully those approximately 3,000 Korans will burn very brightly perhaps individually in single file and separately a few feet apart from each Koran so the visual numbers of our victims of those EVIL Satanic Mass Murderer Muslim Monsters can actually be individually counted, witnessed and remembered for their innocence that was cruelly, brutally and savagely murdered on September 11, 2001 by those Mass Murderer Muslim Monsters.

  • TRUTH4U

    First, everyone needs to go to You Tube and type in Three things about Islam–that should clear up a few things for some people. Pastor Terry Jones may be a little “over the top”, but to me he may be doing what he felt was SOMETHING to get the Muslims attention, since it’s so frustrating to see our beloved America being taken over by the Muslim leader, Obama, from within. Conservatives who are trying to fight back the legal way are labeled phobic or extremists if we don’t go along with or agree with the Liberal way of thinking.

    So, the radical Muslims threatened to attack us? They have been attacking us since 1979. I say, GO AHEAD–now is the time, while we are strong and still have a strong military. If we wait too much longer, Obama will have us be too weak to react.

    Islamists hate weakness and become more angry and hate filled if we don’t fight back or stand up to them. How would our troops be in any more danger than they already are? So, since Terry Jones didn’t burn the Quaran, they will be so much nicer to us now? I e-mailed Terry Jones church before they took his web site off the internet and told him that there was no need to burn the Quran, that somebody can just bury pig carcasses or pig body parts at the Mosque site. The ground would then be “soiled” and the Mosque would not be built. It worked in Spain.

    The Islamic “religion”, ie. “culture”, is the ONLY religion in the world that does not preach TRUTH. The radical Muslims do not have souls–they belong to Satan. We are in the “end of days” and as believers in God (not followers of the Devil and his book–the Quran)
    we know in the end we will win, but it is certainly hard to see happen.

    • Andy Howey

      I’ve watched that video a couple of times, and it is quite frightening.

  • roger

    What is treason? If elected to an office, than go against the law and the people and than lie.Where is the JUSTICE??????

  • coal miner
    • Andy Howey

      How about you summarize instead of merely pasting in URLs? However, since the site is run by Muslims, I don’t see what relevance your post has.

      “Answering Christianity. Islam’s Answers To Trinitarian Beliefs.
      A comparative study between Christianity and Islam.
      http://www.answering-christianity.com/

      It seems strange that you would run to a Muslim source, which of course is going to denounce Christianity, in an attempt to rebut what Jana and I wrote. Are you a Muslim sympathizer or apologist? In every post I’ve seen from you on this thread, you’ve been defending Islam. When push comes to shove, are you pro-America or pro-Islam?

      • coal miner

        Andy,

        More Incestuous relationships in the Bible.

        http://listverse.com/2008/05/26/top-6-incestuous-relationships-in-the-bible/

        • Jana

          Of course the Bible addresses these things. It is a book of instruction to us. Coal you are in way over your ignorant head.
          By the way, the Bible also instructs us that anyone that commits, rapes and murder (not as in war) should be put to death.
          Also, these incestuous relationships that were committed were also punished.

        • Jana

          Another point coal,
          When you go to the Islamic sites to find your distortments, you ought to look them up and find out what the subject is. As normal, this site has distorted the Word of God., Taken it out of context. Go back to this site and do a little homework and find out why God told them to defeat the Midianites. There was no mention of pedophilia in this, just the sick minds of the Islamists who are doing all they can to make it seem that what they do themselves is normal. IT IS NOT!

          • Jana

            Oh, by the way if you want some good information on Muslim myths, such as Muslims do not burn Bibles, or the Bible foretold the coming of Mohammad, or the myth of Muslim generosity or even of Islamic tolerance.
            Go to:
            Muslims don’t burn Bibles? That’s funny. That’s just another Muslim myth.

          • Jana

            go to plancksconstant.org This will open your eyes to the truth.

          • Jana
        • Andy Howey

          Coal Miner: You didn’t answer my question. Are you pro-America or pro-Islam? The answer seems obvious, but here’s a chance to to explain (or justify) why you seem to feel the need to defend Islam. What you don’t realize is that, if you don’t acknowledge Allah as the true god and that Muhammad is his true prophet, and if you don’t fully embrace Islam, you will be in the same situation as the rest of us. Islam doesn’t allow for those who want to be agnostic, atheistic, or sit on the side-lines. The philosophy of Islam is: either you are (totally) with them, or you are an enemy — there is no middle ground. So, are you pro-America or pro-Islam?

          • http://www.LakeAtitlanRental.com Duende

            I know muslims who are fine with the fact that I’m not muslim and I know christians who are fine that I worship god in my own manner.. as I am with them. we all know our intentions are for the highest good of mankind and each other and have reverence for that which creates creation in the image of love. I am proud to say (for humanities sake) that the number of people I know who tell me I have to choose their way as the only path to attain communion with the holy spirit is in the minority.. usually those that complain the loudest the=at their way is the only way have never and most likely will never (in that state of mind) achieve that communion.

          • Andy Howey

            Duende: You may know individual Muslims who claim they’re fine with you not being Muslim, however that is not the “party” philosophy. I believe it IS specified in the Quran, but I’ve been going through the Hadith al Bukhari, and I’ve seen several references to the concept “either one is Muslim or one is not”. There is no middle ground, and being non-Muslim in a predominantly Muslim society is not an enviable way to exist.

          • http://www.LakeAtitlanRentals.com Duende

            Andy.. by that token the christian bible can be pretty threatening to none followers as well, specially in the old testament so nut cases on either side don’t exactly convince me they represent the finer aspects of their own religions.

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    Burn baby burn!! Soak in pig blood first. If I had any copies of the book I would burn it too.
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