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Despite Senate Passage, Polls Show Majority Still Oppose Healthcare Bill

January 1, 2010 by  

Despite Senate passage, polls show majority still oppose healthcare billEven though the Senate passed the healthcare bill early on Christmas Eve, and despite a recent uptick in support for the overhaul, most Americans remain skeptical about the most sweeping reform of the healthcare system since 1965.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which will take effect over the next 10 years and cost $871 billion, would reduce the number of uninsured Americans by 31 million and expand the Medicaid program that covers the nation’s poorest. It also provides low and moderate-income families with subsidies to buy insurance, and offers tax credits to small businesses that provide coverage, according to media reports.

However, in a bid to shore up the fragile partisan consensus behind the bill, the Democratic leaders dropped the public insurance option and included restrictions on abortion coverage against the wishes of most liberals.

Senator Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) summarized the outcome by saying that "this bill is not a perfect fix to our healthcare problems, but it will put us on the path to a stable and secure healthcare system," while Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky vowed his caucus will continue to oppose the legislation.

Against that backdrop, two recent polls suggest that most Americans disapprove of the proposal. Specifically, the CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll puts the number of opponents at 56 percent of respondents, while the survey released by Quinnipiac University estimates 53 percent have an unfavorable view of the bill.

Early next year, Congress will begin its task merging the Senate bill with the $1.1 trillion measure approved by the House of Representatives.
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  • The 10th Amendment

    Yay another Un constitutional gift from traitors, what’s next forcing Americans to buy a GM vehicles!

  • Garry Gentry

    The only reason the polls show people oppose it is that the progressives on the left realize it is nothing more than an insurance company welfare bill and they want real reform like Medicare for all. This bill is masquerading as reform and “free” market and it is a sham.

    • Time

      How true, this really has nothing to do with Health care at all as anyone who has read any of this bill can see quite clearly. What is it then? Total control not unlike Hitler in 1936.

      Polls are taken with the advantage of a “known turn out,” thus they have little to no value. Here’s an example;
      If you know you have a location that harbors more that 80% of the demographic your looking for you have a winner. Thus you have a probable outcome of at least 60% positive. With a possible 20% negitive, and a 20% un clear.

      Questions are pointed as well have little sway room, thus your get the results you are looking to premote.

      What do you have left, the results you wish to push as your agenda.

      The facts are I speak with hundreds of people per week from all over the world let alone the US, the common question I get from people not in the US is what are we thinking? Why are you doing such crazy political moves?

      In the US I have yet to speak with anyone who supports the O admin in any way, shape or form and not a single supporter of the Congress behavior.
      As well most people that I know and speak with that are Democrats, few voted for him, now thats wierd but what really is strange is that the few I know that did vote for him; are “not happy” with him at all.
      Not a single person has any interest in this alledged Health Care package. So whats that tell you?

      • BOE

        It has nothing to do with health care..it has to do with control of the people. When you have a socialist agenda of course people are opposed…but you start with health care and wear people down and make them dependent on the government. I have never understood why the black folks want to live on welfare,low income housing and food stamps..it just makes them slaves to the government. Jesse Jackson,Al sharpton and the NAACP have done their on people a horrible dis-service ..and Obama is doing the same,spreading the wealth..what bull-sh@#!! They should be encouraging education,get a good job,,support your family,have pride in your life. But nooo..make us all pitiful helpless people dependent and poor on the gov. That SOB Obama!!

        • Tinwarble

          BOE,

          You are right, but it started long before the Health Care debate, this has just put it front and center. Our rights have been eroding for a long time, most people just didn’t want to see it. Every time the government has said, “we do this for the good of the people” we have lost something.

          • denniso

            Corporations have been taking over the gov’t for decades while the right wing has aided them and at the same time blamed the Dems as ‘big brother’. The vast majority of thinking people want healthcare reform and change…the Repubs resistance to any change and moderate Dems combined to water down the bills to the point where they lost some support of the people…that doesn’t mean that people don’t favor reform. This bill could start the process of reform and be modified in time to enact real change.
            The ‘mandates’ will be found unconstitutional or politically impossible, and dropped.
            Healthcare reform is NOT about control..it’s about fighting back against ins corporations that CONTROL our lives and deaths way too much.

          • George

            Denniso,

            For one, I’m looking forward to future modifications to the health care bill when conservatives retake control of the government. I’m looking forward to them killing the public option, removing paid-for abortions, enacting tort reform, opening competition among insurance companies across state lines, expanding medical savings accounts with fewer restrictions, giving people the right to decide whether to buy or not buy insurance, and removing illegal immigrants from free health care insurance. Now that’s “change we can believe in.”

        • http://www.yahoo.com ron

          Reagan said; One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine.

          Reagan described the movement to impose statism through health care as a threat that was imminent.

          Here’s what Reagan said

          The doctor begins to lose freedom…. First you decide that the doctor can have so many patients. They are equally divided among the various doctors by the government. But then doctors aren’t equally divided geographically. So a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government has to say to him, you can’t live in that town. They already have enough doctors. You have to go someplace else. And from here it’s only a short step to dictating where he will go.

          Reagan continued

          All of us can see what happens once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man’s working place and his working methods, determine his employment. From here it’s a short step to all the rest of socialism, to determining his pay. And pretty soon your son won’t decide when he’s in school, where he will go or what he will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do.

          Reagan closed by telling us the price of not taking action to stop this threat

          And if you don’t do this and if I don’t do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.

          Reagan had a talent for getting to the heart of the matter and his words are as true today as they were back then.

          This so-called move to radically change our health care system by putting the federal government in charge has nothing to do with making health care more accessible, more available and more affordable .

          It’s more about the desire of politicians in Washington to impose greater centralized government control .

          We can’t thank you enough for all you have done to defeat ObamaCare thus far. But all Americans must continue to make their voices heard against this government takeover of health care. We must continue to fight, or the result just may be telling our children and grandchildren what it once was like in America when men were free.

          • denniso

            ron, quoting Reagan is like quoting Elmer Fudd..NO credibility on anything! Reagan knew almost nothing about anything except how to do what his handlers wanted and how to act poorly. Next, I guess you’ll be quoting the true moron,Shrub,on economics or engineering or science or honesty.

          • cr747

            well, well, well!!! Sounds like denniso is still blowing steam.

            I have missed you guys, and I have a lot of catching up to do. Just landed in Texas early this afternoon, and got to my ranch. Thought I would see what was going on. Have court dates coming up, but will be able to comment a little every once in a while.

            Clair, what have you got yourself into? Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. You are definitely not anything like normal guy. He’s got a short fuse and goes off way to quick. You hang in there girl. We’ve got you covered!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Claire

            cr747—Seems like I can get myself in a bind at times. But, sometimes it is my fault, and I admit it.
            Sincerely hope your holidays were great. It doesn’t seem possible that Christmas and New Years Day were here and gone. Now here is to a great New Year. A lot of things are going to happen, it will be interesting to see how things play out. I hope they get better, but I rather doubt it. Americans must stand up and fight for what we believe. Our government is in a shambles and it must come to a screeching halt. I am really disappointed in the way they are slamming things through and they are doing anything to get the votes. I can’t imagine they are so blind to the fact that this agenda will turn out to be a disaster for all of us.
            This is off the subject but I have to tell you that my son bought a remote control helicopter at Christmastime. It is good size. Like you, he loves flying too. It is an awesome gadget. All of us have a lot of fun with it outside. He loves the F16s and the 787.
            Have a good day.

          • Joe H.

            cr747,
            he blows something warm but it isn’t steam. It’s diarrhea of the mouth and keyboard!!!

          • cr747

            Claire, Those radio controlled choppers are great fun. I have “played” with them, and the kids all have a blast with them. They are really quite amusing to adults, kids have a tendency to crash them until they get used to them, but with a little practice and supervision though the kids can learn pretty quick on how to fly them.

            I love the new 787. It is one hell of a jet.

  • realbigal

    Maybe the computer nerds among us can develop a program of “creating” millions of phantom citizens who will clog the bureaucracy and bring socialized medicine to its needs before it completely destroys freedom and society. We should not even be needing to fight this battle against Orwellicare. It is so clearly unconstitutional that any Senator or Congressman who has voted for it is clearly a traitor to the American way of life.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    I don’t believe anything is as simple was we would like to believe, or as complicated either. I believe that our government never really has been about anything but about the government itself! Also, all the “people” honestly do not know that what is going down economically is going to destroy us more sooner than later. Why do they think that way? Vanity! Vanity allows them to go aimlessly on both to their own and our destruction! And it’s not about us, it’s only about them in their thinking! It is only about more POWER AND CONTROL! This “lust” will never end until it is too late and everybody in this country has nothing, nothing at all! So sad but true!

    • Dennis

      What i don’t understand is that we all know it, A healthcare bill that 61% + do not want, Its not healthcare its 2700 pages of Government Control,A Government take over of our FREEDOM. Talking is not enought its time to Impeach them all.

      • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

        HOW? THEY CONTROL THE HOUSE, SENATE, AND JUDICIARY, NOT TO MENTION THE WHITE HOUSE! THEY EVEN HAVE POWER TO STOP THE COMING ELECTION IN 2010 AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO ABOUT!

        IT’S CALLED THE “FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IN GOVERNMENT” THAT HE (OBAMA) PROMISED AND WE VOTED FOR, ISN’T IT???

        • JC

          Wow Victor…I’m sure glad George Washington didn’t feel that there was “nothing we could do about it”.

          • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

            George Washington was a third degree Mason, as was Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, on and on. Now, Ben Franklin also was an Illuminati member, “another” secret society like the Masons, but they (Illuminati)under Adam Weishaupt (founder, best friend, was Karl Marx), also created the “New World Order” Secret Society in 1776 (May). History indicates that without the “commoner” from Boston, Ben Franklin, the United States would not have made it past go! What do the 3rd degree Masons and the Illuminati have in common? They worship “Lucifer” as the rightful “Savior” of the world! Problem, as FDR, if they had not kept it a “secret,” they would have been burned at the stake! As the Bible quotes: “You will be cursed when you come in and you will be cursed when you go out” — “unless those days be shortened no flesh shall survive, but —.” PS: Hope that you are Catholic, because in 1520 the Pope requested a Spanish Priest, Petrus Galatinus, to replace the “Jewish Messiah” with a name to honor the Greek’s Highest Deity, Zeus; and he came up with “Jesus,” which has been accepted by the world world! How about that piece of history!

          • Claire

            Victor L Barney—My husband is a 32nd Degree Mason. I have questioned him about the Masons’ so-called worship to Lucifer and his answer was: They are nuts. I believe my husband of 50 years, We hit 50 years December 20th. If he worshipped Lucifer we would not have stayed together. Enuf said.

          • JC

            Gee Victor, I guess you’re right. We might as well just all go and hang ourselves.
            Ya know what? You are nothing but bad energy. Rather than telling everyone how helpless they are why don’t you find another hobby?
            As for myself, I don’t give a rat’s ass whether or not G. Washington was a mason. He ran a revolution against tyranny and we may need to do the same.
            So let me ask you this Mr. depresso…what are YOU willing to do to restore the Republic? I mean other than telling everyone it’s all hopeless?

        • Dennis

          If that happens then the people will have to fight to take our country back Obamas UN army will not be enought, THIS IS OUR COUNTRY NOT HIS.

          • Joe H.

            Gee Victor,
            Maybe you’re right, and it’s hopeless!!! Perhaps you should lead the way and show us how to end it all and put ourselves out of our misery!!!! Tell you what you go ahead and if I’m not there in 5 minutes you start without me, o.k.?

        • JC

          Here’s a thought from a newsletter I get:

          Gold and Guns
          by Doug French on January 1, 2010

          In his extraordinary book Democracy: The God that Failed, Hans Hermann Hoppe points out that the process of civilization is stopped when government continually violates property rights.

          The natural process of civilization comes through delaying consumption, saving, and building capital. Undoing it leads to higher societal time preference.

          When natural disasters strike or a gunman robs you in an alley, “the effect of these on time preference is temporary and unsystematic,” Hoppe explains.

          Victims are entitled to defend themselves against the individual aggressor and prepare themselves for the calamities of the occasional act of God. Resources will be reallocated to defend one against potential robbers, and provisions will be made for potential natural disasters.

          However, when government aggresses, it is considered legitimate and “a victim may not legitimately defend himself against such violations.” Democracy legitimizes this government aggression because the violence is sanctioned by a majority of voters.

          This decivilization process that Hoppe describes continues in fits and starts. The uneducated continue to live in never-never land, believing that each new ruler means change and that their lives and happiness can safely be put in the hands of a kind and caring government. But government’s current ham-handedness — with its bailouts, money printing, and rights violations — has alerted more than a few individuals to do what comes naturally: defend themselves and prepare for the worst.

          The rest of the article:
          http://mises.org/daily/4003

          • Dennis

            Good article i also get Gold an Guns. People need to get it out of there heads that the Government is law, They can only do to us what we allow them to do.

          • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

            I wonder how the Iranians will make out?

          • http://aol Don

            Your article is as bad as Victor’s theory about the Mason’s.

          • Jana

            JC: This is a great article and one that we shoul pay attention to. I went to the site and bookmarked it to read the rest later.
            Our Government is in takeover mode right now, and our supposed Representatives act more like dictators than Reps.
            I would never have thought we would be experiencing this in the United States, but we sure are.

          • JC

            Right Don, preparing for the worst is always a bad idea.
            Jana, Mises.org is a great source of economic and social insight,
            I highly rcommend it.

          • Jana

            JC Thanks

        • Carol Hicks

          The only time an election can be delayed is when the president himself puts the election on hold during a war.

          There are no provisions for anyone, including the president to delay,
          or “call off” the elections being held in November 2010.

          Those of you that ask what people can do to fight back against this type of government need to take a serious look at the Tea Party movement. It’s not restricted to any political group. There are people from all parties involved.

          We are no less than our forefathers, we can turn our country around IF we all stand together.
          The healthcare bill does indeed contain a lot of things that the government denied would be included. There are death panels, and there is also a clause concerning healthcare for seniors. (age 60 and up)You can’t just call up your doctor and sechedule an appointment, you must first see your Guardian, one will be appointed for you. The guardian is not required to have a medical background. This so called
          guardian will be the person that will decide whether you can see a doctor…or not… wise up folks…we are in trouble here.

          • BOE

            Carol..are you kidding? Obama doesn`t abide or care about any laws,rules or our constituion. He does as he pleases. He has already set in place things that are not getting reported in the news. And he can call marshall law and postpone the elections. You have heard how he and Pelosi and the news organizations have described us Tea Party people as gun toting,right wingers…they (Obama) are just laying the ground for marshall law. I only see one way out…

      • kattie chg.

        I double that vote, and quickly we have to take action…to save our great country!! I say also, we need to rid ourselves of the UN, let the European Union, take them, and whats more, “house the union on their grounds” to rid us Americans of the expense burdens!!!

  • Arnold Prisco

    All who voted for this Bill should be made to look for a new job when they come up for re election

    Who agrees with this???

    • Richard Pawley

      Now here is a happy thought for New Years Day. It is just 305 days to election day (if we can keep Congress from destroying the dollar by then).

      • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

        What are you going to do if Obama stops the 2010 election with the cover of the recent G.W. Bush’s “Domestic Terrorist Act?” What can you do, really?

        • JC

          You could start by acting and talking like an American, and see where it goes.

        • DaveH

          The Union would split apart if that happened and Obama couldn’t do a thing about it. Well, maybe he could throw his teleprompter at somebody.
          I would love it if the conservative states seceded and left the Liberal states to impoverish themselves.

          • Normal Guy

            DaveH

            So you want to destroy this great nation, break it apart, you are clearly an idiot, and a traitor. Why don’t you go and push your ridiculous Libertarian garbage in some banana republic.

            Americans, real Americans, work to improve and participate in the greatest union. the greatest nation on the planet. Any citizen that wants to break this country into a state of anarchy is below contempt and dangerously stupid.

            You are not anything but vile. Get out of this great nation and spew your right wing extremist idiocy to some dictatorship.

          • DaveH

            You wouldn’t know any “Real” Americans Normal Liberal. The Real Americans are sick of what you and your Liberal buddies have done to this once Free country. You wouldn’t know how to function without stealing other peoples’ money behind the facade of a voting booth.

          • Normal Guy

            DaveH

            I know a traitor when I see one. Only a gutless loser would propose the destruction of this nation. You are below contempt, a seditious anti-American who thinks he is bigger than this country. America IS a great nation has been since it was founded, your simplistic view of the solution to a perceived – mostly paranoid delusional – problem is laughable. You are a weak minded moron, proposing anarchy – and you sir should be ashamed of yourself.

            The USA will continue to be the guiding light of freedom in this world; it will change but continue to provide tremendous opportunities for all American citizens. I believe in the pledge of allegiance – one nation indivisible – treason is not acceptable, go away.

          • Claire

            DaveH—Surely you or anyone else on this site does not want any of the states to secede. I have been to almost every state in America showing my dogs. I have traveled all over in my big (now 15 years old and still going) Chevy van. I have met so many wonderful people in every state. I have seen a lot of beauty in every state. Dear God, there has got to be a better way. We as American must unite somehow. We cannot go on like this. It would break my heart to see any of the states secede. America is so great and beautiful in so many ways. I just cannot imagine this happening. I have always felt grateful to be in this country and I know all of you on this site feel the same way. We have to love thy neighbor. We must get along and unite for the sake of America. I believe everyone on this site is a good, decent human being—I have said this before and I will say it again. We need to iron out the differences. After all, we all want our country back. We all want to restore the rights for freedom.

          • DaveH

            Notice Folks all the name-calling and vile ridicule that spews from Normal Liberal’s mouth when somebody takes a stand he doesn’t like.

            The fact is that the Federal Government is breaking the rules of the Union (The Constitution) which they swore to uphold. The Federal Government is exercising powers not given to them in the Constitution and many of them are lawyers so they can’t plead ignorance.

            Would you engage in any contracts where some of the participants were making up their own rules in their favor?

            Notice also that Normal Liberal professes intelligence, yet he supports a political party that is embraced mostly by the lowest wage earners. I guess they are making those lower wages because their intelligence precludes them from wanting higher wages:
            http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=114

          • JC

            Legal secession would very likely lead to another civil war just as it did in the 1860′s. While this is not a “pretty” option, I have to wonder just how we’re going to roll back the socialist cancer the traitors in the White House are bring to us.
            Yeah Dave, I notice the name calling, it’s all they’ve got.
            I’m sure the British saw the founding father’s as traitors too.

          • Claire

            I agree with JC–it would likely end up in a civil war.

          • DaveH

            I don’t think so. The parameters are entirely different this time. The North was able to rally their people to fight against the South because of the immorality of slavery. Today the roles are reversed. The Federal Government is on the side of immorality – stealing the money of others with their wild spending either through taxes or inflation (the result of excess money issuance), and forcing laws on citizens with no Constitutional authority to do so. They are the immoral ones. It is doubtful they could muster the support of the lazy Liberals to risk their lives when the Conservative States are simply withdrawing from an unholy Union.

          • DaveH

            Also, they would still have their own States which they could drive into the ground with their pie-in-the-sky uneconomical schemes.

          • JC

            Probably True Dave.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            don’t mind Abnormal Gay!!!! I am sure you don’t want to see any of the states leave the union. I don’t either and pray it never happens in my lifetime. I’m sure that you were trying to state what could happen if the present tide isn’t stemmed!!!

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Dam did I misspell his name???

          • cr747

            Hey, hey, hey , You guys just stay in there. Sounds like Normal Guy is having PMS. He is somewhere in a round building, and can’t find a corner to POOP in. Just like a dog chasing his tail. Round and round and round he goes. Wow, what filthy names he’s using. Just shows his IQ, which is aahh maybe 3rd grade level!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Joe H, DaveH, Claire, JC, BOE, Dennis, and probably a lot more hang in there. Normal Guy is just spewing out of both ends. He doesn’t KNOW any better!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Joe H.

            cr747,
            yeah he’s a lot like a Blue Bottle Fly!! he eats crap and bothers people!!!!

    • BOE

      They need to be removed before elections…they should be asked to resign..ALL OF THEM..that vote for the health care..by the masses!!

  • kevin

    Its a perfect example of ” We The People ” losing control of our government . There’s so many beliefs that this country was built on slowly eroding(to eat into or away by slow destruction of substance) away , while the majority of Americans set idly(not turned to normal or appropriate use) , contempt with allowing things like this to happen .
    Do you really believe that government can fix an issue such as Health Care ? How niave(deficient in worldly wisdom or informed judgment) and gullible can you be . THE ABSOLUTE WORST health coverage for people on a Medical Card is ran by the government funded by “US”. You are not a person you are a number , ive seen the incompedence of Governement health coverage in action . And we allowed these politicians( people who we voted into office) to cram this worthless piece of crap(Inflected Form)legislation down our throats .
    This is a highly offensive intrusion(the act of wrongfully entering upon) that merits a complete Impeachment of those involved in its passing .

    • Dennis

      I aggree 1 million % Impeach them all starting with Obama.

    • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

      We all ready LOST CONTROL of the government, if we ever actually even had it? Again, what are you going to do if and WHEN Obama stops the 2010 election and all elections from then on under the cover of the G.W. Bush “Domestic Terrorist Bill?” Impossible? I used to think that openly defying our constitution was considered treason and punishable with the death penalty! Obviously, I was wrong!

    • IRATEGRANDMA

      kevin–If you are going to so arrogant as to think you have to provide definitions for BIG words, you should also buy an english grammer and spelling book to go with your dictionary. Have to say, however, you’re thinking in the right direction. Just come down to our level and assume that prople are smarter than you think they are and go forward with something positive to do about the situation. God Bless Us All!

  • Norm

    The far right hate machine has scared many of their listeners. The left wants more government control. The compromise bill is a boom for the insurance companies and offers no real cost savings. The good news is that it’s a start. Democracy is a very innefficient form of government.

    • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

      Not worst by history than Marxism, which seems to be the current objective!

    • Richard Pawley

      Our forefathers started this nation as a Republic (as was ancient Rome) and it has evolved into a Democracy. As a Democracy it is already older than all previous democracies. This compromise bill is indeed a boon to insurance companies and to the drug firms. What is truly communistic about it is that it takes away from those who have to give to those who do not. Already half the nation is dependent on government. Government workers, the new elite, like in the Old Soviet Union, make nearly twice the average salaries of those who work in the private sector. I have three brothers and all work for government. They have five or six children who work for government. I wasn’t smart enough to realize that is where the money is – and of course banking). Doesn’t anyone realize we already spend more money than anyone on earth for health care and we are less healthy than in dozens of other countries? Spending more and creating a bigger bureaucracy is not going to make it better, only worse. No health bill at all would be better than borrowing more money (causing massive inflation in this decade) to pay for what hasn’t worked in any other country. “Health Care” is the biggest bureaucracy in England and even 23 year olds there are allowed to die (not just those over 55) if they don’t meet the criteria set my the bureaucracy. Romney started “government health” in Massachusetts and that state is now a Billion dollars in the hole from it and the “poor” say it is worse than before. Well, if that is what the population wants, “bread and circus’s” then that is what our career politicians will give them. That is why our Congress is getting unlisted phone numbers and P.O. box addresses….Don’t worry, this situation of spending what we don’t have and just printing more paper money to pay for it will not last, it will cost us severe inflation and the eventual destruction of the dollar but hey, it’s only paper. This is only one of the reasons I called my latest, politically incorrect book, “The Last Days of the Late Great United States” but 75,000,000 did not even read a book last year so they will never learn what it is really all about until it is to late. May God bless America. No one else is going to do so!

      • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

        Your wrong Richard, we have been blessed by what we REAP!!! As written, “you will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out” Looks like we still have to go out cursed yet, doesn’t it?

      • Jayne Schriver

        Richard, you are absolutely correct.

      • JC

        A very astute observation. Sadly. its all too true.

      • http://aol Don

        Name me a country that is not printing money?

        • JanO

          Good Grief, the money you print is supposed to be backed up by assets. What the treasury is printing is just plain paper with no value.

          • JC

            I think it was Ludwig VonMises who said: “Government is the only institution that can take a useful commodity like paper, slap ink on it and make it totally worthless.”
            When we understand the the ability to print money and throw the debt onto future generations is the single most irresponsible and damaging aspect of American (or any other) society, then we may understand that money has to be backed by commodity. Not slave labor.

        • John

          Don,

          Name me a country that is currently printing money like the US?

          • JC

            Zimbabwe!

    • POW

      Well Norm, it’s been said that the only form of government worse than Democracy is ALL THE OTHERS….

      • JC

        What about a Constitutional Republic? Its never really been tried…

        • Normal Guy

          JC

          The republic of the USA is a “contstitutional democracy” or a “liberal democracy”. The last century proves that it works really well. Not perfectly but the best that the world has ever seen.

          • John

            Normal Guy,

            Then why are the libs trying too change it?

          • DaveH

            If a mountain climber succeeded in reaching the top with a bag of rocks in his pack, Normal Liberal would think the rocks aided the climber.

          • Normal Guy

            DaveH – Treasonous, separatist, anti American…Moron

            You would just look at the mountain and tell everyone that there is no need to climb, just wish for the peak to come to you and like magic it will all work. Reality is that change is driven by effort, the transition of anything requires a firm grasp of reality, and a willingness to work together to find solutions. In the real world it requires investment of time and resources and compromise (check out the historical record regarding the drafting of the US Constitution and the addition of the bill of rights). Patriots fight to preserve their country, not break it apart, you are not a patriot, you are a separatist and you disgust me.

            Your Libertarian fantasy is weak minded and based on a world economic model that does not exist now and has never existed in the past. Do some research on coercion and the flaws of your simple minded theories?

            Libertarian experiments that have failed:

            1.Chile – complete disaster followed by rejection of Libertarian concepts and prosperity.

            2.New Zealand – complete disaster followed by rejection of the Libertarian concept and prosperity.

            3.Iceland – complete disaster and national bankruptcy

            4.The Fed under Greenspan (Ayn Rand advocate) – huge bubbles followed by the near total collapse of the global financial system based on his self regulating philosophy. “there’s nothing involved in federal regulation which makes it superior to market regulation” “there appears to be no need for Government regulation of off exchanged derivative transactions” “bank loan officers in my experience know far more about the risks and workings of their counterparties than do Bank regulators”

          • JC

            Constitutional “Democracy”?…Liberal “Democracy”?
            Those are oxymorons. The nation was founded as a “Republic”.
            And anyone advocating else wise is in fact a (Obamunista) traitor to American values. Being a Patriot and not a Socialist…I’ll be locked and loaded on the same side of the fence as Dave H. Hope to see you there Normal Guy! ;)

          • Normal Guy

            JC

            Another right wing zealot, another moron.

            Your belief that we do not live in a democracy is a common error on these right wing sites. Of course the United States is a Republic. The word republic derives from the Latin res publica; res means “thing” or “affair,” and publica means “public,” as opposed to “private.” The word thus denotes government in which politics is a public affair and not the personal prerogative of a single ruler (the founding fathers were strongly opposed to monarchs). There have been aristocratic republics and oligarchic republics, but, as applied to the United States government, this term usually means a democratic republic, one in which elected representatives carry out the functions of government. The USA functions as “Constitutional Democracy” or a “Liberal Democracy”. In the United States, Founding Fathers like James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy as opposed to only having direct democracy.

            Liberal democracy (or constitutional democracy) is the dominant form of democracy in the 21st century. During the Cold War, liberal democracies were contrasted with the Communist People’s Republics or “Popular Democracies”, which claimed an alternative conception of democracy. Today, constitutional democracies are mostly contrasted with direct democracy and/or participatory democracy. Liberal democracies may take various constitutional forms: they may be republics, as the United States or India or France, or constitutional monarchy, as the United Kingdom or Spain. It may have a presidential system (United States), a parliamentary system (Westminster system, UK and Commonwealth countries), or a hybrid, semi-presidential system (France).

            The founding fathers understood that the rights of the non-majority after an election needed to be preserved that the elected government could not be given supreme power as the swings in the electorates desires shifted. They understood that the foundation of the nation required an anchor. This is why the constitution was written. This is why the Supreme Court has so much power and why it is such a brilliant idea. They are the guardians of the rule of law. They assure that constitutional rights must be upheld. The United States has been a tremendous success the founding fathers understood that a pure democracy could still lead to tyranny, a constitutional democracy protects its citizens rights even if they are not in the majority.

            Hamilton wrote that through the practice of judicial review the Court ensured that the will of the whole people, as expressed in their Constitution, would be supreme over the will of a legislature, whose statutes might express only the temporary will of part of the people. And Madison had written that constitutional interpretation must be left to the reasoned judgment of independent judges, rather than to the tumult and conflict of the political process. If every constitutional question were to be decided by public political bargaining, Madison argued, the Constitution would be reduced to a battleground of competing factions, political passion and partisan spirit.

          • DaveH

            There goes Normal Liberal with his usual lies about Chile and New Zealand and now he adds Iceland. Folks, look them up on Wikipedia. I guess Normal Liberal figures if he lies often enough it stick. Here is a link to see how their economic freedom compares to other countries:
            http://www.heritage.org/index/

            Normal Liberal has to launch personal attacks because the best he can do is make up unsupported facts. This is the typical Liberal, Folks.

          • DaveH

            By the way, If anybody thinks those are Normal Liberals words in his previous comment, just go to this website. Nice cut and paste Typical Liberal:
            http://www2.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=4715

          • Claire

            Normal Guy–I need to ask some questions. And I am not trying to be sarcastic, and I understand if you do not want to answer these questions. They could be considered personal and therefore none of my business. I am trying to analyze the reasons people vote the way they do and why. When Obama ran for office, what qualities did you see in this man? Exactly what was it that made you want to vote for him? Was it because you are a Democrat and would have voted for any Democrat or was it because of how you felt and thought about Obama? If it was a Democrat you did not like would you have voted for him/her anyway? And since you obviously voted for him are you truly pleased with the results so far? Do you really believe he is doing a good job? Do you believe Congress is doing a good job?
            Have you ever considered voting for a person regardless of party affiliation?
            If you tell me it is none of my business, I understand, I am just curious.

          • Normal Guy

            Clair

            The qualities that I see in Obama are intelligence, and the ability to defeat the Republican Neo-Cons who since Reagan’s Presidency have been damaging the structure of this nation. National debt has risen from one trillion to almost eleven trillion under republicans from Reagan forward; there have been irresponsible fiscal policies that have created destructive bubbles because of overheated markets and an insufficient tax base. The USA is on a war footing that has provided little security, huge expenses and has put the reputation of this country in the international toilet while creating new terrorists who hate us.

            I am sorry that Obama has had to spend most of this year trying to clean up the economic, diplomatic and military messes that he inherited from W and Cheney. The global collapse that we averted over the last year will be expensive and will take a long time to fully resolve. I hope that regulations are developed to prevent this kind of thing happening in the future. Derivatives and credit default swaps, subprime mortgages, over leveraged positions with banks being allowed to leverage debt 30 to one, all these things need to be dealt with. I think Obama has accomplished a great deal considering the substantial obstacles that he has faced from the republicans and the lobby groups.

            I also strongly agree with the healthcare initiative, I would like to see a public option and hope that Obama can push for this before it ultimately passes. I am very familiar with public health in Canada and believe that this is a public good that makes a nation greater just like roads, power and schools.

            I do find the lobby groups interfere with congress – and the politics of getting re-elected are frustrating. I would vote for anyone who has a position I agree with. It has nothing to do with parties.

          • Claire

            Normal Guy:

            I read your post. Thank you for answering some of my questions. It was not my intention to put you on the spot or cause any havoc on this site. I will tell you why I voted for him, and the reasons I am disillusioned with him now.
            (1) I have been a registered Republican for over 30 years, but have always tried to vote for the “person.” I voted for Obama because I, too, thought at the time he was intelligent, he promised all of us the same insurance care that he, and the members of congress had. This has not happened. In fact, health reform has been picked apart, changed so many times and all for the votes of dissenting congressional members. This is not right. In fact, he left it up to Reid and Pelosi to figure out. As far as I can tell, his input on health reform was little to nothing. I tried to find the good in this, however I do not consider the passage of this bill to be of any use whatsoever. It should be totally redone and done right, if it is going to be done at all.
            (2) He also stated during his campaign that the lobbyists would have to “go.” I thought this was great! No more lobbyists! Now things will get done correctly, fairly, and properly! Again, this has not happened. He has caved in to them.
            (3) After he was elected, he chose Eric Holder, Rahm Emmauel, and Timothy Geitner. These people are not sincere and talented people. For one, you don’t pick people that are/were involved with Wall Street. We all know these men and their backgrounds, and as far as I am concerned, they leave a lot to be desired. I had hoped he would have made better choices.
            (4) He chose other Republicans for his cabinet, and I believe he thought this would “help” him to acquire votes for his agenda. This has backfired. Instead, he is in a quandary. He should have known this would not work. It never does.
            (5) He also tried to install people from various cultural backgrounds, and this is fine, I do not have a problem with this, but again to seek votes for his agenda. Some will come to his rescue, others will not.
            (6) In various situations, I felt he has been weak, and has not stepped up to the plate. I realize it is tough to work with Congress and all that, but he should have been more forceful if he wanted to come across as being confident and knowledgeable.
            (7) He won the Nobel Peace Prize–that is great for a President of the United States. He stated that the million dollars went to charity. Fine, that is wonderful, but what charity? I would like to know this.
            (8) And I was not happy with the fact that he was flitting around to various countries, spreading his good will while Congress was fighting to get something accompished. Another disaster. He should have stayed home and worked at America’s problems. If these trips were necessary,fine, but they could have been postponed. There were more important matters at home to be taken care of.
            (9) The bailing out of the banks should have had stipulations. Instead, the money was given carelessly. The credit card fiasco is exactly that–a fiasco. I have two credit cards, and the interest rates have shot up. Therefore, I will do away with them. My family and friends have also had the interest rates horribly increased on their credit cards. And they pay their bills on time the same as I do. Another situation that is in favor for the credit card companies.
            (10) During his campaign, he also said he would bring the troops home in 17-18 months. This has not happened, and he should never have promised this. I realize some of the Republicans wanted to send more troops, and he did just that. This has been a tough call, but still a person should not make promises they cannot keep. I fell for this hook line and sinker.
            I cannot write a book here. These are a few of the problems that I have with the way I have voted. I really believed for the first time in many years that things would be better, everything would fall into place and work out just fine. I thought America would be put on its feet again and become the wonderful reputable country it has always been. I thought the war would be done away with, and we would tend to matters at home and take care of America first and foremost. I thought America would again become strong, not become more weakened by the greed and corruption of the politicians. I am proud of America and I love America with all my heart. We are the best of all worlds. It truly bothers me that I have probably done an injustice by voting the way I did and I will never again vote for someone that is not worthy of America. I will certainly do better research the next time around.

          • JC

            That’s right, more name calling from a brain washed communist loyalist. You sir have your head so far up your own liberal a** you will never see the light of day let alone make one bit of sense.
            You accuse people of wanting to break up a great nation? What great nation? Are you referring to this socialist shell of what once was a great nation? People like Dave H, myself and the majority of principled, ethical people want to “restore” not destroy the nation.
            And right now as far as I’m concerned. America’s greatest enemies are you frothing at the mouth rabid commies. And the only good commie is a….

          • Normal Guy

            Claire

            I appreciate your position and understand how things can be disillusioning. I respect that you voted based on the hopes and issues that matter to you and not on party lines. I would say that perhaps your expectations were somewhat unrealistic. It takes longer than a year to implement many of the changes to health care, to end the wars, to repair an economy that was close to a global meltdown and try to reenergize the economy that had been in an accelerating decline for a year and a half before Obama came to office.

            You seem to be in conflict in that you want him to drive through legislation but you also want him to reach across the aisle. I agree that trying to find consensus is a challenge and as you state it can backfire, but I think it is worth attempting, however, as you say, some will come to his rescue, others will not – you are right, it is time to be more forceful – we will see. In regard to global travel, I think that a great deal can be accomplished reaching out to the world, toning down the rhetoric and looking for common interests can solve a lot of our problems, so we can disagree on how worthwhile this is.

            I would like to see the wars ended; unfortunately the entanglements that we are engaged in are complex. He needs to listen to his people on the ground, but the sooner this ends the better. I agree that the situation with lobbyists is completely unacceptable, I would like to see a solution to this, but it is a serious structural change in how politics are conducted in this country, it won’t change overnight.

            I must say that Healthcare should have a public option, those in opposition have done everything they can to gut the bill. The political reality is if you can build only the framework for good public healthcare now and then can complete the job later it is not ideal but it will get us part way down the road.

            You seem like a sincere person, keep voting based on your concerns and issues in mind and I think, like you, that America will find the strength and greatness that we all deserve again.

          • cr747

            WOW, WHAT HAS GOTTEN INTO NORMAL GUY? HE IS SO IRATE, AND DESPICABLE THAT I CAN’T BELIEVE ALL THIS MUMBO-JUMBO. Boy, I sure have missed out on a lot since the twenty third day of December. Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!

    • DaveH

      Are you coming out of the closet Norm? You would prefer tyranny?

    • John

      Norm,

      And what about the left-wing hate machine that is known for constantly spewing hatred and name calling?

      They never add any thing substantive too any of these conversations on this site.

    • Tinwarble

      Norm,

      First, you should know (actually I know that you don’t know, but I will tell you) we are not a Democracy, we are a Republic, or at least that is what we are supposed to be. You say that the “right wing hate machine” is scaring all its listeners. Well, what part of, if we don’t pass Health Care millions of people are going to die in the street, isn’t a scare tactic.
      Also, when the Mountain starts crumble down on top of you, you don’t climb it anyway & hope that you survive the avalanche, you run in the other direction. Just because something needs to be fixed,
      doesn’t mean trying something stupid to fix it. You wouldn’t drive your car off a cliff just because the engine oil light came on.
      Another thing, you truly show your lack of intellect when you say that we have little security, bla-bla-bla. How can you say that when we have not had another attack since 9/11 on American soil. How much security do you need, do you want someone to hold your hand while you cross the street. And Obama is not cleaning up any mess, if anything he’s doubling down. He’s not sweeping up the floor, he’s just putting paper over the top of it then taking a piss on it.
      You also take James Madison out of context, the word “liberal” did not to Madison mean the same thing that it means now. He meant “liberal” as in “concerned with freedom”, he being an educated man would have used it as it was meant in its root word “liber” meaning free & as it was used in the past as meaning individual freedom.

  • http://jimbo89@tampabay.rr.com jim caputo

    The morons of this once great country have elected at the worse time in our history to the highest positions people who are destroying our future and have bankrupted it beyond repair. America has self destructed!

    • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

      Jim, you get it! As I said on an earlier post, if our government can openly ridicule our constitution, as they break it everyday, it is GONE already! Name me a Marxist Government that has given back what they stole?

  • cerebus23

    Um yea that’s why medicare is going to go bankrupt, social security is going to go bankrupt, the postal system can barely deliver the mail on time, name one federal program that works period and is not rife with fraud waste and runs efficiently. oh wait you can’t.

    so lets hoist another 1 trillion dollar health program onto the mess. in 20 to 40 years SS alone will cost another trillion to fix, if it can be fixed at all. and medicare will probably be another trillion. and if you think this new federal program is good thing and did not go far enough you should sign up for a brain transplant.

    the federal government is doing noting but spending us all into bankruptcy, which is what i think you leftist and socialists are rooting for, because you know we cannot afford any of this stuff as is and it always ends up costing 10x more than what they “project” aka guesstimate.

    and lets never mind that all this stuff is unconstitutional period while we shoving our heads up our asses.

    • POW

      To cerebus23,

      This is called: The Cloward/Piven Strategy of Economic Recovery

      It’s how you turn a democracy into a Marxist dictatorship, read here:

      http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/02/the_clowardpiven_strategy_of_e.html

      • http://aol Don

        This article is as bad as Victor’s Mason theories. Unemployment is higher, but other factors have done better during the last 11 months since Obama has been president. Zack’s research company has shown that new housing is up, capacity utilization is up, S&P is up, mortagae rates are down, and the Aaa and the Baa ratings are up. Companies on most levels are paying back their bonds.

        • DaveH

          Housing Sales have been up because buyers have been rushing to beat the deadline for the first-time buyer tax credit that was set to expire on November 30.
          The Standard and Poor’s index is up about 20% from a year ago. But a year ago the stock market was tanking in response to Obama’s election and Democratic control of Congress. In addition the Dollar is worth about 10% to 30% less depending on which country’s currency you compare it with. Of course the Stock Market would be up because there are more dollars chasing those stocks due to the Government stimulus and other increased spending.
          It’s just a matter of time before the Democrat-caused inflation hits the consumer goods. The only thing that has held it down is the weak economy. But eventually the increased money supply is going to result in inflation whether the economy improves or not (stagflation).
          We have a long way to go before the jury can deliberate.

          • BOE

            Yep..you are right..inflatation is coming! That`s why I have been stock piling toilet paper. They say trucks will not be able to afford gas to transport goods. Sooo

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Let’s not forget that oil is now at the highest its been in a long time and gas here has gone from around 2.39 a gallon to 2.65 a gallon. Not a big increase at first glance, until you look at the fact that it is about 90 cents higher than a year ago!!!

          • Joe H.

            I forgot, that’s Bushes fault!!! Yeah wright!!!

          • Claire

            Joe H–WalkieTalkies sound like the solution. I think I’ll have my husband check out the ham radios/and get licensed.
            The Illinois governor and the Director of Corrections have released over 1700 prisoners. Guess what!!! A number of them are violent criminals so now there is a big stink going on. The violent ones were released in error. They will never locate the violent ones. I started to say I could not believe the stupidity here in this state but yeah, I believe it. What next? Nothing surprises me anymore.

        • JC

          Sure unemployment is higher. But everything else that is “up” is because of artificial stimulus money. Fake money. And its going to crash hard. Prepare! ;)

          • Claire

            I have been “stocking up” for quite some time. Bottled water, you name it. And my husband has stocked up on his supplies!! I hope I am wrong but I have a gut feeling the next time terrorism strikes, it will be devastating, and it may very well happen in different cities at the same time. I am to the point that when I am out in public I keep my eyes open. If I see anything weird I will certainly call the police. If there is no time to call the police then I will do what I have to do.

          • JC

            Don’t forghet your negotiables: Gold, Silver, Jewelry, (lead) just so you’re prepared for the the crash of paper currency if or when it happens. If you’re in a city, try and have a plan to get you and your family out quick! Cities will probably be filled with roving gangs of Liberals who, as always, want to take what you have.

          • Claire

            As crazy and frightening as it sounds, if anything comes up, my husband and I already have plans. My husband has made sure of it. And we will take our valuables. We are ready for anything should it happen. I have my parents’ farmground, untilled, plenty of woods, and the old farmhouse and it is off the beaten path and far away from any cities. It is an hour’s drive from my house here in town. All we have to do is call our kids, and the rest of the family and we will take off. The family is also prepared. I have crates for the dogs in my big van. I can’t and will not leave my dogs. We keep our vehicles’ gas tanks full at all times. I sometimes feel like I am paranoid, but I have already stockpiled canned goods, nonperishable items, and bottled water in the farmhouse. My husband has made sure he has plenty of his supplies here at home, you know what kind of supplies I mean. We have to keep his supplies here, and load them quickly into our vehicles. I have a neighbor in the country that keeps an eye on the farmhouse. So far, so good.

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            There’s an old saying “just because you’re paranoid it don’t mean they’re not out to get you!!!” I think it applies here! I am stocking up also and won’t stop until things improve greatly!!!

          • cr747

            Way to go Claire. Just make sure you don’t advertise it around where you live. People will be banging on your door. Even worse, they will be doing harm to people who is smart enough to prepare. You said your husband has prepared, so, that sounds good.

            My guys have prepared also with a lot of necessary supplies like your husband has done. Glad to here it!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Claire

            cr747—I have had this farmground for many many years. I doubt if many people remember that it belongs to me, of course my neighbor does, and since he feels the same way we do, he is stockpiling also.
            In fact, most people in that area feel the same way. Take care.

          • J C

            Claire, sounds good. Now one more thing…what if the cell phones don’t work? Have you got a contingency for meeting up somewhere?
            For safety sake, plan for no communications on a day when you’re family is seperated.

          • Claire

            That is something we have to work on for sure. We take the dogs running down there in better weather and have tried using the cell phones. They really cut out, so I don’t know what we can do about it. Any ideas?

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            try walkie talkies. They have some really good ones that have a 35 mile range now for about 100.00!!! Not good for long distance but good for local talk. You could get a ham outfit and get licensed if you want!

      • cr747

        POW, where you a POW? If so where at? Where you ever listed as MIA?
        The reason I’m asking, I fly a POW-MIA flag 24-7 365 days a year. I still have friends MIA in Vietnam. It’s so SAD for the families of these men that have never been found, or heard from.

    • JanO

      A neighbor of mine that has ties to people in Sweden says Obama has already proposed cutting SS payments by 30%.

      • Claire

        JanO–I have heard this too. I am not for name-calling but I am sick of these so-called Presidents (a$$es) that waltz into office and right away they want to kill Social Security. These politicians have plenty of money, they don’t have to worry about their future like some people do. Egad, what a farce. My husband and I are fine, but I know many people that simply will not be able to live without Social Security. They have had many health issues and did not have proper hospitalization and now they are really bad off. Some of our senior church members are really having a rough time. I do believe Social Security is/was a good thing to have. But the government could not keep their hands off the money that belonged to Social Security. They have double-dipped into it so many times and used it for their own agendas. All I can say is–save as much as you can while you are young.

        • Claire

          Whoops! I meant “proper insurance” aka “good insurance” not “proper hospitalization.” A person really has to really be careful with insurance companies.

        • BOE

          Why can`t he cut welfare by 30%? They have never paid into the system like the SS people. And require a drug test for welfare while they are at it.

          • Claire

            I do agree with you on the welfare agenda. There are people that keep pumping out babies so they can keep getting the welfare checks. This sounds crude but I call it like it is. The welfare system is in dire need of a huge overhaul. It has been out of hand for so many years. But no one wants to clean it up.
            Only the legally poor should receive welfare. But again, how in the name of all that is sane, can this system be cleaned up?

          • DaveH

            BOE,
            He wouldn’t propose cutting Welfare because they predominately vote for Democrats:
            http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=114

            Those government creeps have stolen over $170,000 on my behalf over a 40-year period. If invested by myself instead at a simple passbook rate, it would have been worth well over $300,000 by now. And I am now wondering if I will ever see a penny of it.

          • JC

            The annointed one won’t hurt his voter base. And don’t forget, the goal is to break middle America and get rid of those who no longer pay taxes.

  • Patricia

    THE TIDE NEEDS TO TURN IN 2010!

  • http://msn Frank

    The Congress has let every American down, and sold the souls to the likes of the lobbyist. We the People are not going to let this one go by without a very large efford to rid the disease from our once great and noble goverment.

    • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

      WATCH AND SEE! HOWEVER – - – GOLD AND SILVER WILL NOT BUY THE VICTOR OF THE LAST WORLD WAR, WHEN YOU SEE “OUR BLOOD IN THE STREETS!!!

      • Joe H.

        Victor,
        Have you left yet?? Remember if I’m not there start without me!!! quick jump and SNAP!!!!

  • http://CABLEVISION JOHN WALSH

    WE ALL KNOW THAT OBAMA IS THE ABORTION KING SINCE DAY ONE, PELOSI BEING THE ABORTION QUEEN, ALON WITH NO BRAIN HARRY REID AND THE COURT JESTER JOE BIDEN. SO THIS MEANS THAT OBAMA AND THE THREE STOOGES WILL PUT THEIR ABORTION AGENDA IN ANY HEALTHCARE BILL THROUGH BACKROOM MEETINGS. OBAMA WANTS US TO PAY FOR ANY AND ALL ABORTIONS, INCLUDING THOSE FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. THAT ALONE WILL BANKRUPT AMERICA….WHY DOES OBAMA WANT TO BANKRUPT AMERICA ?

    WHY IS OBAMA IN DENIAL THAT WE ARE AT WAR ?

    WHY DOESN’T HE RECOGNIZE THAT MUSLIM TERRORIST ARE THE ENEMIES OF AMERICA ?

    WE NEED ANSWERS TO ALL OF THE ABOVE QUESTIONS .

    IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ALL GOING TO HELL IN A HANDBASKET THANKS TO OBAMA !

    HE ALONE HAS THROWN THE CONSTITUTION UNDER THE BUS.

    • Jayne Schriver

      Well Duh! President Soetoro’s number 1 objective is to destroy this country and turn it into God only knows what!

    • Dennis

      THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THAT OBAMA IS A MUSLIM HE IS THE TERRORIST, HE WILL DO ANYTHIG AND EVERYTHING TO DISTROY THIS COUNTRY. THE SOONER WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THE SOONER WE CAN GET HIM OUT OF OFFICE ( IMPEACH HIM NOW )ITS THE ONLY WAY.

  • http://CABLEVISION JOHN WALSH

    NO OBAMA BANKRUPTING HEALTHCARE…NO HOW …NO WAY…TLL ALL OF CONGRESS TO VOTE NO AND BE DONE WITH IT.

    • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

      IT’S OVER!!! Obama did as promised, changed the “very foundation” of our government and we wanted it that way because WE VOTED FOR IT!!! All though he came close, not even FDR could pull that off!!!

      • JanO

        Voted for it with the help of his cronies in ACORN.

        • Joe H.

          victor,
          YOU may have voted for him, but I sure as hell did not!!! There’s no we on my side unless you have a mouse in your pocket or you are pregnant!!!

      • JC

        I don’t know that “we” voted for it. Obama did not win by a landslide and one third of the US didn’t turn out to vote. Either they are apapthetic or they have lost faith in the system. So approximately one third plus a small percentage voted for Obama. The other two thirds seem to be buying guns and ammunition in record amounts. You do the math.

      • John

        Victor,

        AGAIN I did NOT vote for that traitor!

        Don’t include me with the fools that did vote for him.

      • usmadgirl

        Victor,

        I didn’t vote for this idiot. I don’t know anyone who did! The idiotic 51% (including Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck & all the dead & criminals) who actually voted for him (the guilt ridden because he was HALF black & felt they owed his black-half part something or the poor souls who actually THINK that they’re actually gonna get something for nothing from the Democrats that have enslaved them for years) are to blame for the downfall of our country! NOT ME!

    • http://aol Don

      A lot of people don’t like this health care bill, because it does not include a public option.

      • Joe H.

        Don,
        And a whole lot MORE wouldn’t like it if it did!!!!!

      • DaveH

        It doesn’t matter if it contains a public option or not. It is UnConstitutional and they know it. The Federal Government does not have the power to take over our Health Care System.
        Does anybody think these crooks aren’t planning to bring the Health Care Insurance industry to its knees so the politicians can then say we need the public option after all?

      • JC

        Sure it does…for Congress and the Senate. They’re special ya know!

  • diane

    Everything this congress has done for the year needs to be repealed immediately…All of the members should be impeached along with the kenyan impostor squatting in our white house. His trial for producing legitimate documents is due Jan 26. I have no doubt he is in hawaii buying himself a “legitmate birth certificate”…not the real one from kenya!!!!

    • Jayne Schriver

      I agree 100%. He should be tried for treason for illegally placing himself in the White House and his 3 stooges (Reid, Pelosi, and Biden) should be booted out with him because they help perpetrate the crime!

      • Kitty

        It’s more evident every day that we are going to fight for our country– our principles & freedoms are worth fighting for. All the “leaders” need to become aware that there is a large percentage of citizens that are not planning to “go with the flow”. The whole structure of our country has been undermined under our noses. If our lives are worth anything to us, we are will be forced to make hard decisions now. The medical program is a “scam” that will take away many freedoms we have enjoyed. How can anyone vote on a “bill” that isn’t even written or offered for review to those who are supposed to be our representives? What travisty!!!

    • cr747

      Flew out of Hawaii late last night. Yes he was there, and got real mad at people taking pictures of him and his family!!!!!!!!!!!!

      You are probably right, he was trying to get him a birth certificate for the court date that is coming up!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Grey Fedora

    Thanks a lot Republicans! Of course a majority of Americans do not support the weak, watered down version of health care that passes the Senate. I assume you include progressives who are madder than hell in your so-called “majority?”
    I just hope voters remember who it was that ruined health care reform in this Congress, the Greed Over Patriotism Republicans.

    • Jayne Schriver

      You obviously drink way too much Kool Aid!

    • JC

      Get in line Grey Fedora…its where you’ll be happiest. The rest of us prefer freedom of choice and self determination. NO government EVER gave us anything worth having. WE the people are the creators of wealth and choice. But that’s probably a little deep for you isn’t it?
      Happy New Year…Kamrade!

      • Joe H.

        JC,
        I, like you would rather be the determining factor in my life over the government ANYTIME!!!!!!

        • JC

          Right on Joe. I just don’t get it…where do all these lazy bastards come from and how is it they are not suffering for their laziness?
          Oh yeah! Career welfare…

          • John

            JC & JoeH,

            I agree with you guys. That is typical of obama’s voter base. They’re ignorant and lazy.

            We need too band together and get these communists out of office. obama’s followers need to get educated and get jobs.

    • DaveH

      It’s patriotic now to give people something for nothing? And the people who want to keep their own hard-earned money are greedy? But the people who want to help themselves to the money of other people aren’t greedy?
      Wow Grey, your powers of rationalization are incredible.

    • IRATEGRANDMA

      Oh, look! Gray fedora has his hand out, just waiting for the free health care.

  • http://n/a Mark

    All the senate and house want is their way. The money the present administration (I use that term loosely since the can’t even manage a whore house and sell whiskey) is printing has already buried us for many years. Barry Soetoro and his village idiots have ruined this country forever. I am not a dem or a republican and I believe it is time for another direction, just don’t say change. The only change has been for the worse. And this healthcare abomination is a waste of time and money.

    • DaveH

      Vote Libertarian, the only political party that stands for Individual Liberty, Individual Responsibility, and Limited Government:
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    • JC

      Hope and Change are emotional values that mean nothing….well I could be wrong. Castro spoke a lot about change and look how its worked out for Cuba…
      Dave’s right, join the Libertarians (and NRA), There’s strength in numbers and if nothing else, lets show them some numbers.

      • Joe H.

        JC
        My Father always said hope for the best and expect the worst. Then when the worst happens you’re not disappointed!!

  • Michael F.

    You say that the Insurance companies make out on this. I tend to disagree. The insurance companies are being put under so many government restrictions that they no longer have a free marrket or free trade. What needs to happen is that they need to be allowed to compete against each other across state lines. The way the bill put it they are basically a government entity, so they, congress, may as well call this bill a public insurance bill. It is basically run by the government. This is no longer a prive insurance country.
    Sooner or later I also agree that we are going to have to revolt against this socialistic government.

    Happy New Year

  • Myth Buster

    Here’s my New Years wish for the ignorant right wingers in America. The cure for ignorance is education. You can CHOOSE to be Bushchitted forever by refusing to read a decent newspaper, and reading ONLY what you want to hear from RNC LIEsites like this one, or listen to B.S. from Faux News or drug crazed Rush Limppaw. Or you can step into the light, starting with the Health care issue and ending with accepting you’ve been lied to about Obama being a Muslim, not a citizen, violating the Constitution, and a socialist. You can’t argue facts, because you won’t even READ them! The OBM has certified that both the House and Senate versions of Health Care Reform bills are no worse than revenue neutral, and it is the problem of the uninsured and the overpaying insured which is bankrupting America and must be fixed once and for all. While admitting something must be done, Conservative politicians are taking bribes from the lobbyists from the AMA, AHA, Mega Pharma, and Insurance Associations. Conservatives have yet to offer a bill to compete with Obamacare, and never will. Prove me wrong! I dare ya. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

    • JC

      Myth Buster, it isn’t that you are wrong, it’s that you are only half right. It isn’t the RED National Socialists and it isn’t the BLUE National Socialists…its National Socilaism period! And it comes from BOTH camps. So fire away at one side of it while defending the other and stay on that hamster wheel of compliance. And since you mention “education”, might I recommend that you complete yours? You’re only half way there…

      • DaveH

        Myth Buster. Revenue Neutral? Really? Are you so ignorant as to believe a 2000+ page Healthcare Bill is going to be revenue neutral? You think all those regulations and increased government are going to be free? No wonder you follow Obama.

        • John

          DaveH,

          That’s the scary part they really think that they know what they’re talking about and that they’re educated.

          They are nothing more than brainwashed and they clearly are NOT capable of thinking for themselves. Their accusations are always baseless and they can NOT provide any substantive argument.

        • Joe H.

          Hey DaveH I’ll bet he believes in the tooth fairy and Santa Clause too!!!

    • Michael F.

      Mr. Buster,

      You brought up many points. All I ask you to do is the same you ask of others. Where are you examples to back up what you say.
      As far as paying attention to the other side. I think any one who really cares about this contry of ours does pay attention to both sides. That’s where they get the lies or the hidden agendas. I believe that when you are looking to pass a bill the first thing that needs to be taken into consideration is Does it pass our Constitution’s rules? If not then either trash it, modify it to bring it to align with the Constitution, or try and pass a Constitutional amendment via the states. Sometimes you just need to work a little harder to pass a really Good law. It’s just to easy to pass crap that everyone else has to live with.

    • chuck b

      myth

      you should try to go through life without being influenced by the liberal media backed up by the left wing snopes & factcheck. our healthcare bill didn’t need to be completely re-written only revised, such as tort reform and some parts of the medicare. your demo friends are more interested in controlling our lives than they are medical needs. not defending the repubs, but, they are smart enough to realize this. if obama has nothing to hide about his birth then he should put this to rest once and for all because the rumors will only continue and grow. you must realize by now this guy is a fraud and almost everything he is doing proves this. i for one believe this man should be removed from office along with most of the demo legislatures by any means and throw in a few republicans.

    • JanO

      Snce I read that FactCheck is in the progressives pockets, I no longer go there. As far as FOX is concerned, they back up what they say with indisputable facts. They actually spell it out. Glenn is famous for his blackboards. Also his phone connected directly to the white house press secretarie’s if they want to comment on things he is saying that they do not agree with. They do not call!

      • http://aol Don

        People are asking about kool-aid. Glen said his favorite drink is hard liquor and bongs. About twice a year he talks about his years of consuming this until his doctor told him if he continues his ways, he will die. Rush doesn’t talk about what he drinks, but he says he loves those Whoppers. I wish him the best with those chess pains. Whoppers do have a lot of fat in them.

        • DaveH

          This coming from one of those Compassionate Liberals. What a joke.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Compassionate Liberals???? What kind of animal is that? It doesn’t exist!!!!! Goof balls, all!!!

      • usmadgirl

        JanO,

        You are exactly right. Until I started watching Fox News 7 years ago, I didn’t have a clue what was going on in the world. FOX NEVER reports anything without the facts to back up what they’re reporting. Since Glenn Beck joined Fox, I’ve learned more about our country & our government than I ever learned in my entire life BG (before Glenn)! He too, NEVER reports anything without FACTS & most of those facts are on video showing the facts straight from the HORSES A$$#$ OWN MOUTHS!

        Without Glenn, we wouldn’t have had a clue about ACORN, SEIU or all of the “so-called” president’s czars & their radical, Castro, Mao & Chavez-loving agenda!

        I just don’t understand why FOX thinks they have to be so “fair & balanced” when ALL the other news networks are so incredibly biased with the left wing liberal, progressive loons & their “messiah”!

        About Glenn’s phone, the White House can’t call to respond because everything he says about them is true!

      • John

        Good points JanO,

        Fox News does back up what they say. There’s no disputing the facts.
        I haven’t watched any of the so-called mainstream media since the elections began last year. Their coverage of the elections was too obvious and a major disservice to their audience.
        I don’t need to watch the weather report for 10 minutes every half-hour, police chases and biased reporting, they can have it.

      • Joe H.

        JanO,
        Don’t forget snopes. It’s the brainchild of a husband and wife team of libberals!!!!

        • usmadgirl

          Joe H,

          Thanks for enlightening me to “snopes”. I swear, I thought what they posted was “gospel”. I check things I receive before I e-mail them to friends & family to keep from having to write back & tell them it was a hoax! I had no idea that they were part of the liberal liars! I’m certainly not gullible, but to think that I’m that trusting & people actually report the truth, makes me mad at myself! I KNOW the MessiahStreamMedia lies, omits stuff & is in bed with their “savior”, but I thought Snopes was the place we could get undistorted facts!

    • kevin

      You are so shallow you think the no insured / underinsured are the cause ! I pitty you and your shallow mind . This is not about the rhetoric( the art of speaking or writing effectively)bullsht you speak of . Truth be known if people(THAT CAN) WORKED for the MEDIACL AIDE or Benifts they receive , its a no brainer how it fixes itself . CAN YOU UNDERSTAND !!! Or do you beleive i(WE) need to pay for it with no strings attached . Your thinking is part of the problem not a solution . Thats why it continues to get worse .
      Bush for that matter was throwed under the bus when he attempted to make people accountable for what they received . WHATS WRONG WITH WORKING FOR A LIVING or AIDE YOU IDIOT . Even if its in a field picking fruit,vegitables etc… The list goes on and on . But the Socialist minded dumba$$ thought that was cruel . WELL CRY ME A RIVER MORON

      • Joe H.

        kevin,
        Better yet, let them do those jobs that Americans won’t do that we keep hearing about with the Mexican illegals!!! Or just think how clean our highways would be if everyone able to work that collected food stamps for more than 4 months had to get out and pick up litter on our freeways and streets!!! They do it here in Eastlake Ohio with all the juvenile offenders. They have to pull community service which includes picking up trash alongside the streets that parallel the highway!!! Looks dam good when they’re done, too!!!

        • Claire

          At least your town has common sense. The same thing should be applied in all towns and cities. Make the little brats work. I wish they make the juvies do it here.

    • Dennis

      Yea, and I have the world’s greatest bridge to sell you.
      You would benefit from some FACTS!
      Maybe get your hearing checked and see the eye doctor or are you waiting for your “free” healthcare. Oh, what it doesn’t start for four years?
      There are videos of your king admitting he’s muslim and he said right there on tv in front of God and everybody that America is no longer a christian nation! Wonder why he said that? Sheep led to the slaughter!

    • DaveH

      Oh yeah, Buster, the left-wing class is the intelligent class. That’s why they think creating more money will create properity. As if rendering peoples’ savings worth less with excess money creation is going to somehow spur them to work harder and be more productive. If that was the solution, there would be no poor countries. They would just create more money and be prosperous (sure).

    • DDC

      Myth Buster, I CAN PROVE YOU WRONG. YOU ARE A DAMN IDIOT IF YOU THINK WHAT IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE IS IN THERE LEGAL. HE IS A MUSLIM, HE HAS ALREADY SAID THE UNITED STATES WAS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION. AND I THINK THE FUNNY LITTLE BEANIE HE WEARS ON HIS HEAD SOMETIMES NEEDS TO HAVE A PROPELLER ON IT THAT BLOWS IN THE WIND. IT’S FOR DAMN SURE IT WOULD BE SPINNING ALL THE TIME, BECAUSE THAT’S ALL HE IS, IS WIND.

      HIS WIFE MUST BE LAZY, BECAUSE SHE HAS GOT MORE HELP THAN ANY OTHER FIRST LADY HAS EVER HAD.

      THEY DON’T BELONG IN THE WHITE HOUSE. WE NEED TRUE AMERICAN CHRISTIAN PEOPLE IN THERE FOR,”WE THE PEOPLE,”. I SURE AS HELL DIDN’T VOTE FOR HIM, AND I AM A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT. HE’S A JOKE. OTHER NATIONS ARE LAUGHING AT US, AND ALSO SNICKERING BEHIND HIS BACK. WHAT A DUNCE WE HAVE FOR A LEADER. MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE SAID DUNCES. ALL OF THEM.

    • Tinwarble

      So, you think that Conservatives are ignorant, but then you throw out you uneducated, uninformed & just plain stupid comment that the Health Care Bill is revenue neutral. Now, I’m just a dumb, red-neck country boy, but I’m pretty sure that when you spend all that you have, then you spend some more, that’s called DEBT. Your little “revenue neutral” comment is right up there with, “fire can’t melt steal”. Are you so ignorant not to know what “revenue neutral” means, it means that they don’t have to raise taxes (the revenue) or that they don’t have to cut one program to pay for another. Both of which are going to be done to pay for this bill.
      Also, I understand that you have been living in a hole somewhere, but Conservatives do have an alternative to Obama-care, like Tort Reform & allowing people to buy insurance across state lines. You know that thing that gives you Uber-Libs the cold chills, Free Market Competition. Let me put this in a way that you might understand it; where I live, there is a Super-Walmart (yes, I know you are probably saying Boo-Walmart), & pretty much nothing else. At this Walmart just about everything is $2.00 more than it is if I drive just 20 min to the Super-Walmart in the city. Now, why is that, because the Walmart in the city has to compete with other stores like Target & BestBuy. It’s called C-O-M-P-E-T-I-T-I-O-N, it’s what brings prices down.
      Now, when you find somewhere in the Constitution that it says that the government is supposed to provide Health Care, then by all means, come on back & we’ll have a discussion. But, until then, how about quit reading you liberal blogs & news papers & spewing out your ignorant talking points.

      • DaveH

        When Obama took office, the National Debt was 10.6 Trillion dollars. It is now 12.1 Trillion dollars.
        During Bush’s second term the National Debt increased 3 Trillion dollars (about .75 Trillion a year), but keep in mind that in the last 2 years of his term Democrats controlled Congress.

    • cr747

      Myth Buster, seems to me like we have got another Normal Guy or denniso here. Are you brothers??????????

      • Joe H.

        cr747,
        I noticed that eyes disappeared so it would be time for denniso to come up with a new alter ego!!!!

  • Happy

    This equals to MORE TAX PLEASE.

    Folks, I really want Americans to have a good health care system, but after checking this out, I am very concerned due to the hidden tax it carries which makes me very nervous.

    • Michael F.

      The increase in taxes and leaving the cost to our children is one of the major reasons I joined the Tea Party. We have to fight this spending our country to its death. The other reason is that I believe this bill is unconstitutional.

      • Claire

        Taxes will have to be raised to cover U.S. debt, regardless as to whether health reform passed or not. Pure and simple. Prices on everything has increased, food, gas, etc. There is no choice but to raise taxes. Something has to be done. We owe China so much money that it is unfathomable to think we will ever get out of debt. What did the states do with their stimulus money? I thought some of it was to go for infrastructure to create jobs? I think this money was mishandled the moment it was received. I know some of the banks paid back the money they got from the government. What did the government do with it? We need accountability on every dang dime that the government spends. It should be published clearly and legibly on the Internet for all to see.
        Americans for the most part wanted health care reform but with a public option. Did they get it? No. There were politicians that did not want the public option so in order to get their vote it was taken out. Why didn’t these politcians want the public option? What were they thinking? I am sure we all know the answer to this.
        The garbage that is coming out of our government in mindboggling.

        • DaveH

          Personally Claire, I think they will just default on their debt. Why not? You don’t think they have any morality do you?

          • Claire

            You are probably right. They have defaulted on everything else.

        • Dennis

          Claire, most people do NOT want this healthcare bill, not with or without the public option!
          For so many reasons!!!
          Government will have complete control of everyones life, freedom, rationed care, you’ll be lucky to see a doctor! There is already a shortage of doctors now and this disaster has yet to begin. Doctors are talking about quitting, and the medical students are changing career plans.
          The doctors will be fined for suggesting medical treatments, and they would be paid a flat salary that just isn’t worth the effort to study so hard and dedicate so much time to learning. So doctors will not be motivated to learn, leaving us with low educated doctors. I do not think I would like them to operate on me.
          Forget cancer and any other life threatening issues, you will have either no medicine or end of life counciling, euthanized.
          How else do you think they can control cost?
          They want to cut $480 billion from medicare, that will be drastic cuts to nursing homes and hospice, not to mention expensive management medicine or procedures.
          They want to do an age, health ratio to judge whether you get surgeries or certain medicine.
          They already are saying we need to cut back on breast,cervical, and colon cancer screenings. They have said not to even bother with doing monthly self breast exams, ofcourse not,they wouldn’t want you to find something!
          Do you really believe the govt. cares if anybody has insurance? Health insurance is the excuse to have control of your life, this is the door. They will control what you eat, drink and do. How about Cuba, the ciizens there are not allowed to have or eat sugar. If someone is vacationing there, well, a manager must give customers the sugar, to make sure the waiter doesn’t take any.
          They want to take over EVERY aspect of our lives from every direction and this bill is the prime plan to SUCK everyone into their “false” helping.

          • Claire

            Dennis–I think I needed your post. I had a gnawing fear that this is what health reform had come to. I tried to find the “good” in health reform, but I believe I was trying to cover up what I did not want to hear.

          • JC

            Claire, ask yourself this – If the new health care plan is so good, why has the government itself opted out? They of course will have the best private health care in the world while you and I sit in emergency rooms and wait 4, 5, 6 hours to have a broken limb mended.
            I’ve seen some hospitals in Canada. They look wonderful, new and modern. But the people who work in them are as frustrated as those waiting for care. It’s taking 4 to 6 months to get an MRI. People are dying on waiting lists. It’s a list of travesties just goes on and on…and its all so unnecessary.
            All we need to do is put the government on a very short leash(from a very tall tree?;) ) and get them out of the “we’ll run you life” business.

          • usmadgirl

            Dennis,

            Why can’t people see this? That’s what’s been so frustrating for me since before the election! God created us in his own image. He gives us the “insight” or whatever you want to call it, to discern what’s right & wrong. It would take a visually & hearing impaired, mentally challenged person (how’s that for PC – should be blind, deaf idiot) to have been unable to see & hear what Obama said in his campaign. (Well, he’s STILL campaigning, but prior to his being elected, which I’m not certain if that was on the up & up either with the thugs at ACORN & SEIU & possibly his not being a true citizen). Anyone with even a miniscule amount of intelligence should’ve been able to figure out what he was all about! I TRIED to give him the benefit of the doubt at first, but with all his radical associations, it didn’t take me long to know that my first impression was right on the money!

            He TOLD us exactly what he was going to do! What did his “followers” actually think he meant by “fundamentally transforming the United States of America”? I know that this country isn’t perfect, but it’s the best there is or has ever been! Why would you want to transform it? If you LOVE something, you don’t want to change it! His blatant LIES didn’t start until after he took office. Lies about what the so-called “bail outs”, “stimulus”, “tarp”, “health care” were supposed to do. He even had the audacity to actually tell us that “Crap & Tax” was going to cause our electric bills to “skyrocket”! I can barely afford mine now!

            Now, all those ignorant “nut jobs” that voted for him have sucked us into the total destruction (or “transformation”) of our great nation. I’m confused! Why would ANYone actually WANT to change our country from Liberty & Capitalism to a country controlled by Socialist, Communist or Marxist rule? This administration is turning our country into a country like others are trying to come HERE to escape! What, in all these radicals’ lives, made them the way they are & to believe the way they believe? They certainly weren’t brought up the way I was. All this administration is about is GREED for MONEY & POWER. All that those who voted for him are about is a FREE RIDE at the expense of the rest of us!

          • Claire

            usmadgirl–I sincerely hope you are not implying that I am an ignorant nut job. If you are, then I would have to tell you to take a finger, put it somewhere and rotate. I am easy to get along with, I don’t pick a fight but I won’t back down from one either.
            I am simply trying to find some good somewhere in this crazy government. Unfortunately there is none to be found.

          • Tinwarble

            Claire

            (words removed for offensive content)
            Second, if you did vote for Obama, then yes, you are ignorant, you did not do your research on the things “he” said that he was going to do & how radical he was.
            Third, if you think that raising taxes is going to help us get out of this mess, then you probably are a “nut job”. The only thing that is going to stop the financial “mud slide” that we are in & to get out of our debt with China is to stop the spending spree this government is on. &;
            Forth; No, most people don’t want a public option. Most people want the government out of their lives. If you let the government in to tell you what kind of health care you are going to receive, what’s next, are you going to let the government tell you what kind of food you are going to eat, how you raise your kids, what movies you can see, where you can go on vacation, or, to go back to my first point, what you can do in your own bedroom.
            So, how about this, from now on, when a general statement is made & your name is not mentioned, lets try to stay away from the personal attacks.

        • usmadgirl

          Claire,

          There was no “reply” after your disgusting & hateful reply to my reply to Dennis so I had to use the reply on this comment from you. I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about or why you even THOUGHT I was addressing you or any comment you had made. That was not very nice! I haven’t replied to you & haven’t said anything about you period. I’m not a mean person & unless I’m personally attacked, I try not to be mean or hateful to anyone else.

          I too am trying to make sense of all the radical crap that’s going on & I had thought about responding to you on one of your comments to give you some information that might help, but after this, you’re on your own, because your comment was totally malicious & unprovoked! We disagree on here a lot & there are a lot of hateful liberals that just get on the site to cause trouble, but most of us can share information in a rational, civil manner or just vent our concerns. If I touched on something that caused you to THINK that my comment was directed toward YOU, I assure you it was NOT! I don’t appreciated being accused of something that I’m not guilty of!

          • DaveH

            Claire voted for Obama. That was why she took your “nut job” comment personally. We do need to be gentle with the voters who were just taken in by his smooth talking lies. I have had two dealings with chronic liars in my life so I am very attuned to their methodology and apparently you are too, but we are probably more the exception than the rule.

          • Claire

            usmadgirl–DaveH is right. I admitted it on a post about a month ago. I did vote for Obama and have regretted it ever since. I had no right to say what I did. Even though your post was to Dennis I did think the post was aimed at me. It was a terrible thing to say. It was beneath me and my upbringing. No excuses for this behavior. I apologize.

          • Joe H.

            Tinwarble,
            I think I just heard Claire apologize and I think it would be good to hear you do so. Or is she a better woman than you?

          • usmadgirl

            Claire,

            I had to “reply” to my own comment because yours didn’t have a reply “thingy”. I sincerely accept your apology & appreciate it very much. From all your other comments, I didn’t think you were a mean person. Lord knows, I say things in a heat of the moment especially in the last year! I work mainly from home & spend my entire day screaming at the TV while watching Fox News when I’m working.

            I had no idea that you voted for O-bum-a until DaveH told me so I wasn’t directing anything toward you, but I apologize if my comments offended you. I’m sorry you’re having to deal with the disappointment of your decision, but so many others are in the same boat. I wasn’t thrilled about having to vote for McCain, but I mainly voted for him because of Sarah Palin. I just felt that McCain was the “lesser of two weasels”. He was at least conservative on several issues that concerned me. Obama’s radical associations & comments were the reasons I couldn’t consider him. Don’t beat yourself up too much since you didn’t have much to choose from.

            I did a lot of research before I made my decision but my first choice for the Republican candidate was Duncan Hunter. He wasn’t given enough coverage to be considered; so I didn’t get what I wanted either! If it weren’t for Fox News & especially Glenn Beck, Liberty Alert, OneNewsNow, Michelle Malkin, Thomas Sewell & a few others, I’d be as uninformed as a box of air!

          • Tinwarble

            Yes, she probably is a better woman than me, since I would have to lose a couple of parts off my body to be a woman. However, I do not feel the need to apologize since she personally attacked someone I know much better than anyone else here (if you know what I mean, wink, wink). I don’t feel that saying someone is ignorant to facts is not saying something bad about them, since anyone who would vote for Obama Been-Lie’n with what he had said & the agenda that he has would either have to be ignorant of the facts, a socialist or just a Lefty-left-left liberal. I will say that I’m sorry if I implied that she might be a “nut job”, because I’m sure that she is probably well intentioned & probably has a good heart.

          • Claire

            usmadgirl–I am embarrassed. Embarrassed for being so nasty, and embarrassed that I stooped that low. Like someone that came out of the gutter. I have no excuses. I should practice what I preach. I appreciate the fact that you have accepted my apology, and yes, I have to deal with the bitter disapointment of voting for Obama. I guess I was taken in hook line and sinker and I should have known better. There is a reason why I chose to be on this site. There is a reason I chose not to be on the Huff Post site.

          • Claire

            Tinwarble—there is no need for you to apologize. You were standing up for your friend and I respect that. And to think I go on about all people uniting for the good of America and then I turn around and act like an idiot. I am the one that should apologize to all of you on this site and I do apologize.

          • Claire

            DaveH–thank you for the explanation to usmadgirl.

          • Claire

            Joe H–Thank you for your post, even though I was in the wrong, I appreciate your confidence in me.

          • usmadgirl

            Claire,

            There was no “reply thingy” again so once again, I had to go back to my own post. You are a class act! I’m truly sorry that I put all those who voted for Obama into one category. You don’t know a person’s heart unless you walk in their shoes. I know that a lot of people were “sucked in” by his “smooth attitude”, just like they were Clinton. I have been trusting ALL my life (like my dad was), but have a real “insight” about people (like my mom did). I trusted everything everybody said to be the God’s honest truth, because when I told somebody something it was the exact truth down to every small detail (that’s why my posts are so long & boring)!

            I was a “people person” & never met a stranger. My deceased husband was a county deputy, then a county investigator for about 9 years & told me constantly that somebody was going to take me off & kill me if I didn’t quit trusting everybody that spoke to me. I’ve been lied to & screwed over so many times by even long time friends, but while I still give people the benefit of the doubt, it doesn’t take me long to see right through them! I guess I think everybody should be able to & I shouldn’t be that shallow. Lord knows, I certainly don’t want everybody to be like ME!

            While I’m writing a “thesis”, I wanted to tell you yesterday, before our “posters’ misunderstanding”, how much I admire you for helping the blind lady & for paying $50 on her groceries. That was so sweet of you! My older son’s best friend has been TOTALLY blind (can’t even see light, only total darkness) since he was 12. He is the most incredible person I know! He doesn’t have a dog, but is the most independent person I’ve ever seen. Since he had sight for 12 years of his life, he’d ask us to describe what he was “looking at”. He’d go to movies & tell you about the movie he’d “seen”! Before my husband died, we lived on the lake & had a boat & a “Seadoo”. My son let him drive them while he directed him & he was so excited & felt so independent. When they’d start to leave to go somewhere, he’d tell my son, “I’ll drive”! He had the best attitude & sense of humor. He & my son wrote music together, were a duet & the winners of Southeastern district of the “Road to Nashville” music competition over about 2000 entries singing their original songs. Both are still in the music business. The blind one has sung at the Kennedy Center & has a music degree. That’s why I was so touched by your compassion for the blind lady! I wanted to tell you a bunch more stuff, but I’ve got to get busy & I don’t want to irritate the guys on this board with “girly stuff”!

            In order to keep this post on the topic – government health care: BAD, with ANY kind of options they have to offer! We don’t want or need “government” ANYTHING except protection for our country!

          • Claire

            usmadgirl–All I can say is Bless your Heart! I have been upset with myself all day. Thank you for your post. It is good to hear about the nice episodes in life.
            Oh yes, I have always been too trusting myself. But this past year has made a big difference in my life. World events have made me “open my eyes” and realize that things are not always what they seem, and that life can be a real bear at times. Right now I feel like the biggest sucker there ever was.
            Regarding health reform, I have already come to the conclusion that it is not good. It should be tossed out, and this may very well happen.
            Again, thanks.

          • usmadgirl

            Clair,

            I, too, have been rudely awakened. Even though I didn’t vote for Obama & thought he was an arrogant narcissist, I never, in my wildest nightmares dreamed he would TRULY attempt to transform this country into the USSA, but he’s rapidly on his way to doing just that. I’ve always trusted my government. I knew it wasn’t perfect, but it was the best there was in the world! Otherwise, why would everybody else want to escape their countries & even risk their lives to come here? At least, I’ve never been terrified of my government…until now!

            Sometimes, I just want to turn off the TV & pretend this awful stuff isn’t happening, but if I just miss one day, this administration has done some other shady, unconstitutional, radical crap behind closed doors or in the middle of the night on the weekend – things that we obviously have no control over any longer. Writing my representatives is like beating a dead horse. Not because they don’t listen or reply, but because they’re all REAL conservative Republicans & they vote for all my conservative views. I’ve written them anyway & I always get a reply to tell me that they agree with my view & will vote accordingly. I’ve even written to Democrats begging them to vote with their conscience instead of their party, but they obviously don’t have a conscience because they all got “bribed” into voting for the health care hoax – one was Ben Nelson in Nebraska!

            I certainly hope you’re right about the so-called health care hoax. I was more optimistic until all the bribes were accepted by the Dems who were originally against it!

          • Claire

            usmadgirl—I am scared of the government too. As I said earlier in one of my posts, too much has happened this past year that I found scary and did not want to believe. I, like you, have tried to find the good in everybody. It is disappointing when you realize a person is not the upstanding person you thought them to be. As you already know, too many Senators received pork for their votes and this is another reason why Health Care Reform went down the tubes. They should forget about it entirely. It will never work because it will not be done correctly, ethically, or morally.
            The Democratic governor of Illinois had over 1700 prisoners released. Well, guess what, a bunch of them are starting their path of crime all over again! DUH! According to this morning’s paper, murders tripled here in town this past year. I guess I will not be able to go out after dark anymore. One of my friends has a convertible and this past summer she was stopped at a light, and a guy reached in her car and stole her purse! It was laying on the passenger seat and the guy just reached in and grabbed it and took off! This is no longer the age of innocence! But, it hasn’t been for a long time! Egad, I can remember in the late’50s we left our car keys in the ignition! At least we never had to look for them!!
            Hopefully, this new year will be better for all, but I have my doubts. These doubts are getting bigger and bigger. Have a good day.

        • Dennis

          It has been a proven fact that lower taxes has improved the economy and the deficit, also increasing the free market! The liberals just don’t like it that way, they just can’t rationalize how that works.
          Just last week the great obuma had passed unlimited funds to Freddie and Fannie to the sum of $500 billion, that is the same companies that helped take down the ecomony. That is also where the CLOWN worked, that is telling Obuma that this healthcare bill is economical, affordable and debt nuetral and all those lies!
          He must be a genius.
          By extendeding F & F unlimited funds like that, the government is guaranteeing those loans, should those loans be defaulted on, AGAIN, the taxpayers will cover the cost! Liberal’s economy budgets are FRIGHTNING!

          Keep this in mind, part of a quote from
          Pres. Thomas Jefferson,
          When a government is so big it can give you everything,
          then a government is so big it can take everything away.

          • Dennis

            I mean FRIGHTENING

  • http://mog7@cox.net Muriel P. Goyette

    An American New Year in Times Square should give us all a second breath. DON’T STOP MESSAGES TO CONGRESS OR WHITE HOUSE. A post card
    and ONE BOLD PRINTED LINE WILL DO IT: I VOTE FOR THE ONE WHO VOTES
    (FOR OR AGAINST)—————. Include your name and address. TEA
    PARTIES REPRESENT ALL PARTIES AND IS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY TO TEAM
    UP WITH THE MOVERS AND THE SHAKERS. The American Style will NOT BE
    CRAMPED, BUT PROMOTES INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL HELP AMERICA MAINTAIN ITS
    SOVEREIGNTY AND SAFEGUARD ITS ASSETS AND CULTURE in this storm of
    corruption. AMERICA IS LIVING PROOF THAT FAITH CAN AND WILL MOVE MOUNTAINS!

    • Michael F.

      Amen

      P.S. I really pray that this will happen in California! It will truely take a miracle here!

  • Larry Fell

    The second coming of Jesus Christ may be the only sure answer —Are you ready for that?

    • JanO

      The way things are shaping up around the world & particularly since Obama was elected?, (I have some doubts about that), it sure looks like the beginning of that event. Evil has raised it’s ugly head and is about to take over the world. Obama’s plan to dimminish our country explains why we are not mentioned in Armagedan. I remember at least a decade ago that question about where is the US during that final conflict. Now we know the answer.

  • Claire

    I need to ask a question: What is it with the Kool-Aid crap? It is so childish. According to these posts, Democrats drink Kool-Aid. What do the Republicans drink? Gatorade? Not hardly. The “gator” part fits though.
    Now, throw your comments my way. I’m ready.

    • JanO

      How old are you Claire?

      • Claire

        I am as old as you want me to be.

        • JanO

          Old enpough to have had a few decades of experience.

          • Claire

            JanO–yes, many years. I have arrived to the point where I believe I have “seen” it all. Decades of experience—I hope so. I have seen politicians come and go, and the amazing part of it all is that none of them stands out as being “great.” They all had/have a skeleton in their closet, there is/was always something that had a kink in it. None of them were perfect, none of them will be perfect. I used to always think “this guy sounds great” but then it would backfire. I am to the point where I no longer have any faith in the politicians we have now nor the ones we will acquire in the future. There is so much corruption and greed in both parties that I do not believe America will ever be the same. It is terribly sad. And no, I am not trying to sound depressing, I am merely stating what I believe. All Americans should unite and throw these incompetents out of office and NOT vote for any more of them. No re-electing of these people. Start anew–somehow.

          • Claire

            JanO–”Old enough to know better but too young to resist.” LOL

          • JanO

            I hear you Claire. No, politicians are not saints any better then we are. But their is obviously some that are better then others. What people need to do before voting is research and test the candidate before voting. Not just swallowing hook, line & sinker the words coming from their mouth. There was plenty of info during this last election, but people either discounted it or just refused to beleive it. Some let their emotions get in their way as well.

          • DaveH

            No man can be everything to everybody. We have apathetically allowed the government to intrude way too much on our lives. One size does not fit all, and we will never be happy as a Nation until we find a way to roll back the size of Government dramatically. We need to quit depending on Politicians to give us the good life. It isn’t going to happen.

    • Dennis

      Claire, What it means is that the people are drinking that Obama Kool Aid.

      • Claire

        Dennis—O.K. I had figured out that much but why call it Kool-Aid?

        • DaveH

          Because it is a drink with almost no nutritional value that is pleasing to the tongue like Hopes and Dreams are pleasing to those who don’t know better.

          • John

            Claire,
            They are talking about Jim Jones founder of the People’s Temple. Jones moved his temple to Guyana and called it Jones Town. Too make the story short he convinced his followers too drink a cyanide-lace grape flavored solution. About 900 of his followers died that day and close to 300 of them were children. This occurred in 1978.

    • BOE

      Claire..where the saying came from is in the 1970`s Jim Jones a whacked preacher took people (followers) to South America. He got men,women and children to drink poisoned cool aide. They all died. Now do you get it? People have had a drink from the Obama cool aide.

      • Claire

        Boe—Good grief. I get the picture. It is just that I have never heard this phrase until I started reading the posts on the Bob Livingston sites. I learn something new every day! And I thought I was keeping up on stuff!!!
        Thnaks for going the extra step to explain.

        • Claire

          I mean thanks!!!

    • JC

      Claire, to answer your question: Years ago (the 70′s I think) a guy calling himself the Rev. Jim Jones started a religious cult which eventually ended up in Guyana. He saw the end coming for his charade and had everyone drink Kool-Aid laced with poison, which most of them did on “faith”. That’s a very short version of the whole story. So the reference is to people so blinded by “faith” that they are willing to commit suicide.

      • Claire

        JC–I get the drift. I remember the guy and the dysfunctional people that followed him. You can bet I won’t ever be drinking Kool Aid from now on!!! Seriously, I cannot imagine anyone in their right mind blindly following an idiot like that and end up killing themselves.

        • JC

          I can imagine it Claire…picture this: 100,000 people in Chicago’s Lincoln Park mindlessly chanting “yes we can – yes we can – yes we can – (zeig heil – zeig heil…)
          It’s happening in America now. Make sure you are able to protect yourself.

          • Claire

            JC–Your comments are certainly something to think about. Insanity in the making. I remember that night in Chicago Park, I saw it on TV and I can remember thinking that there must have been a million people there. I have friends in Chicago (my relatives moved out) and they said they thought it was more than 100,000 people. A person couldn’t get anywhere because of the traffic congestion, etc. My friends also said there were all kinds of ethnic people and they were laughing, singing and happy as larks. Personally, Chicago scares me, I would never want to live there.
            Yes, my husband has plenty of protection, if you get my drift. He hunted for years with our dogs, but now he cannot do the walking. I also know how to handle a pistol as well as a double-barrel shotgun. He took me to the gun club several years ago so I could learn to handle a gun. He is good at it, and I think I could do what I had to do to protect myself and my family.

          • Claire

            And I have my trusty old crowbar that I can wield like a baton if I have to! And I have my mace. LOL

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            It all began one dark and stormy nite…………No I won’t try to tell you again!!!!!

          • J C

            Claire, forget the double barrel…semi auto 12ga. with a 12 round magazine…that’ll buy you some space if you need it. ;)

          • Claire

            JC—AHA! I checked with my husband and that is one that he has!!! He has several different guns. So apparently you and he are on the same wave-length! He said to tell you he is prepared!

  • JanO

    I wonder if we could get a mass amount of patriots & chip in to hire the best constitutional lawyer to represent We the People? So much of what Obama & the progressives are doing smack of illegal & unconstitutional laws. We have a constitution, let’s make these polititions abide by it!

    • Michael F.

      You’d think that if there are Constitutional lawyers out there with the same views that they would take this on pro bono for love of country and not the dollar amount they could receive.

      • JanO

        Unfortuneatly that is not the way the world turns. It takes a bunch of money to file these actions in the courts, Phil Berg can tell you all about that & he is still trying to get the courts to make Obama produce his original, actual Birth Certificate. Obama is spending millions to fight it.

    • http://aol Don

      Name me a politician that use “We the People.”

    • JC

      Law schools don’t teach Constitutional law, they teach “interpretations” of the Constitution. These interpretations are what have lead to the mess we jokingly call a justice system.

    • Tinwarble

      Here’s another solution. Get a Petition up to send to your state legislator’s to Call for a Constitutional Convention. Under this (if you want to know more look here http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html#process)we could amend the Constitution to set term limits on the members of Congress.
      A Constitutional Convention will probable never happen, since it never has, but if enough people were to petition, the threat its self might be enough to stop Congress from its Un-Constitutional Practices.

  • Rod

    Here is what all of you need to hear NOW! It’s very important! Barack O-bum-a just signed an amendment that has fundamentally altered your Constitutional rights.
    If you think you have been scared before, you must read this. It’s an amerndment to executive order (12425). O-bum-a’s actions undermine your rights to protect personal privacy from a forign internationalist police agency named INTERPOL. You will not even be allowed to know what the charges are against you when they show up at your door.

    I think it’s time the American people stop this crap. The dude in the Whitehouse isn’t a traitor because you have to be a citizen to be a traitor. However, you can be a TERROREST!

    • Normal Guy

      Rod

      More paranoia from people that can’t research beliefs. There is nothing to fear here, interpol is not a police force.

      INTERPOL is not an international law enforcement agency. As stated above, INTERPOL facilitates cross-border police co-operation regarding criminal acts that are international in scope. For instance, INTERPOL would have been contacted when the Nigerian national, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, tried to blow up Northwest/Delta flight 253 on approach to the Detroit, Michigan airport. INTERPOL would facilitate the exchange of information between foreign law enforcement agencies with information on Abdulmutallab and U.S. law enforcement agencies seeking that information; INTERPOL is not a law enforcement agency in and of itself; it has no police enforcement power in any of its member countries.

      It is true that INTERPOL has been granted complete and utter diplomatic immunity within the borders of the United States. However, diplomatic immunity does not equate to giving INTERPOL police powers over American citizens; diplomatic immunity is only granted if INTERPOL is in good standing and abides by United States law concerning diplomats residing on American soil. If diplomatic immunity is rescinded, due to offenses against the United States or its citizens, the offending party has a choice to either leave the United States immediately or be arrested and prosecuted under American law. Diplomatic status can be revoked for any number of reasons including acts of war, spying, or criminal acts committed under American law. Over the years, diplomatic status has be revoked a number of times for diplomats in this country, resulting in their immediate expulsion from this country.

      The claim that “They are not subject to any Constitutional limitations within the United States”; that they can operate “outside of the Constitution” and American law is utterly false. If an INTERPOL agent showed up at your door, he/she would be risking expulsion or prosecution for breach of diplomatic immunity.

      • DaveH

        This Normal Liberal Guy cannot be trusted. I suggest you do your own research before you come to any conclusions. Here is one article that I dug up:
        http://www.beaufortobserver.net/interpol.html

      • Claire

        Normal Guy–I could not find a “reply” to your last post to me so I am using this one.
        I respect your beliefs concerning Obama. But remember, I am in Illinois and there are many concerns that have come to light within this past year, and I cannot condone these concerns. I have enough sense to realize things do not happen immediately. It does take time, but I do not appreciate the way things are being handled, and rushed through without careful consideration and the intelligence I had hoped for. It appears to me that things are being handled in a speedy and careless manner just so everyone can be re-elected including Obama. I do not appreciate the lack of transparency that was promised. I do not believe that this man is the one to do the job. I do not believe he is capable of uniting this country, the Americans, nor Congress. A lot of the people that voted for him are now against him. Therefore, I am not alone in this. I had such high hopes and then reality set in. I would say this regardless of party. It is a shame, but this is the way it is. Therefore, in all good conscience, I will not cast a vote to re-elect him.

    • usmadgirl

      Rod,

      I saw the article on the amendment O-bumb-a signed regarding INTERPOL. I hope you see this comment, because I can’t find the article & don’t remember where I saw it. If you know where it is, please post it.

      I did find this so you & “Normal Guy” can hash it out:

      http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/12/you_have_to_watch_these_guys_e.html

    • Tinwarble

      Well, as much as I hate to say it, Normal Guy is right. Interpol is not a police enforcement agency. It is a network of member law enforcement agencies. However, he is wrong, in that Executive order 12425 does give immunity from American Law & the U.S. Constitution.
      Here is the text which now applies to INTERPOL:

      (c) Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable (secure from assault or trespass).

      This means any information gathered by INTERPOL or any member of INTERPOL, weather it was obtained legally or not is not subject to prosecution & can not be obtained through the Freedom of Information Act or any other means. What this means is that if someone wanted to hide information about something, all they would have to do is give it to INTERPOL & no one could get it.

    • Tinwarble

      OH, I forgot, Rod is also right about someone showing up at your door, because, even though INTERPOL is not a police agency, the U.S. Department of Justice is a member. So, you could have DOJ show up on your door step. And guess what, not so Normal Guy, you wouldn’t even have the right to know why you are sitting in that nice Federal jail cell with the 300 lb. guy named Bubba calling you princess.

  • Rod

    I keep telling the G.O.P. they have to be more AGGRESSIVE! This criminal activity has to be STOPPED!

    • Joe H.

      Rod,
      When you get your fund raising mail from the GOP just write a note and tell them that you will not send one cent to them till they run a TRUE conservative!!! I have done that with three or four now, and will do it with all they send till they do!!!!

      • Claire

        Joe H—I have been doing this for quite some time. But I keep getting their mailings asking for donations so they obviously do not read.

    • JC

      Guys n Gals…when will we all understand? The GOP and the Dems are participating in the same bought and paid for system. Stop playing their game. Civil disobedience, an NRA membership, a Libertarian (or any other constitutional party) membership are all small ways to let them know what America is thinking.

  • Rod

    I am waiting for the second comming of Jesus Christ. I want to be
    there. I know I am not worthy but Jesus forgives. I pray he forgives
    all who love him. Look up for your redemption is near.

  • Myth Buster

    For those of you who commented to my 1st post: 1. I’ve giving you no reason to ass u me that our political system, just like with Health care, doesn’t cry for a fix. 2. Ridiculous to claim that I’ve offered no examples for back up. Still waiting for YOUR examples of a Conservative Health Care Bill, and the Bushwhacked forget that Bush claimed that Tort Reform would be addressed in his 1st inaugural address in 2000, and after 6 years with a Con controlled House and Senate, who can tell me why he didn’t git er done? 3. Factcheck has no bias, and the link below proves the 26 lies spun by the RNC Re:HR3200. Again, open your eyes before you reject something you can’t disprove. Oh, and JanO, I dare you to watch me bust any myth that Faux News clams to be factual. Double dare you!

    • JanO

      Ok, go ahead. Start with Glenn Beck. or maybe you can get on the phone with him. Sadly, one day you will realize just how wrong you are & then it will be too late. I assume you do not like the USA, it’s greatness and all the good it has brought to the world.Perhaps you should google the Cloward-Piven site.

    • JanO

      The Democratic party would not let the Republicans participate in the formation of this so called health care bill. They did write one which included torte reform & allowing competition accross state lines for the insurance companies.

    • Joe H.

      Myth buster,
      then look up HR 956. It is a health bill that will put the politicians on the same type of coverage as us. It was tabled in record time. It was co-sponsored by Steven Latourette (R) Ohio and Mary Kaptur (D) also Ohio!!!! Don’t dare if you don’t want to read!!! Read it and weep sucka!!!

    • DaveH

      Buster,
      Do you really want fixes to the Health Care system? Or do you just want more poison? Big Government has created the health care mess. They are the problem, not the solution. Here are some real solutions:
      http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=279

    • Tinwarble

      Ok, there Myth Buster, we all can see that you are probably the smartest Amoeba living in the pond scum. But here in the real world we live on facts, not the pie in the sky hopes & dreams that make you feel all warm and toasty inside. Have you ever read anything that didn’t start out “Those Evil Conservatives”, well, I doubt it. Anyway, you think there on no Health Care plans from the GOP side, how about you take a looky here: http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare

      Now, little guy, how about you take your one-celled intellectual prowess & go sit in the corner. The Adults are talking!!

    • Dennis

      And lets not forget that the Democratic party has been in control of the house sence 2006,So stop blameing Bush for all the Money problems, any bills the Repubs had could not get passed because of those NUT JOBS open your eyes man Obama is a liar.

      • usmadgirl

        Dennis,

        AMEN! Everything started falling apart at the seams when the Dems took over the House & Senate. Our economy, despite the 2 wars was in pretty good shape until they took control. “Barney” swore that FNMA & FHLMC were Okey-Dokey & look how that turned out!

    • cr747

      Oh, Myth Buster, right down my alley,”double dares,” You ought to have seen inside my fighter plane I used in Nam. Lots of marks on it from dares, and double dares,!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOWEEEEE

      • DDC

        to cr747 by chance your nickname in Nam wasn’t perhaps CR was it? I new a pilot over there that everyone called CR which was short for crazy. when I saw the cr747 commenting I thought to myself that had to be you; You never refused a cover for anything there. You flew a lot of missions nobody else would do, you was always volunteering before some of the others would not go

        You didnt turn anythang downthat they ask you to do if I remember right you were hit many times but always made back to base i think this may be you. I was a Navy Seal and you called me Rat. I think you were from Texas. dang it’s been a long time but i bet thats you

  • Myth Buster

    Obama’s birthplace? How dumb can you be? He’s already posted his Cert. showing Hawaii, and you can find it anywhere online. Cost? are you delusional? Tell me the RNC, will hundreds of millions at their disposal wouldn’t make an issue of it if they had a case? No! Much better to lie to y’all by saying there is no legit Cert.. get a grip!

    • JanO

      When, oh when, will you get it in your head that what he posted on line was a Certificate of Birth, not a Birth Certificate which states what hopital he was born in & the attending physicians. I have mine and that is what is on it. Do you have yours????

      • http://aol Don

        Accordingly to the state of Hawaii (13 or more times) it is a real Birth Certificate.

        • JanO

          OK, so why can’t we see it, just take the word of some beauracrats? Why is Obama spending millions to prevent it from being shown? I really would like an answer to that. McCain showed his, and then the dummies tried to say he wasn’t a legal citizen because he was born in Panama. But of course that was dumb as he was born on an American base as well as that would make a lot of service Brats born overseas on bases not Amerioan born citizens. Think…

          • http://aol Don

            Then, if you are correct, show me the checks for millions. You can’t do it. When the officals at Hawaii explained the certificate, they went into great detail about the legal certificate.

        • JanO

          Did you read or know that Hawaii produces Certificates of Birth for children born abroad that had American parents? Have you ever had to produce your Birth Certificate to apply for anything & would they have accepted a Certificate of Birth? If this is good enough for the common American citizen, it should be good enough for it’s leader.

          • JanO

            Don, visit Phillip Berg’s site.

          • Palin12

            I was born in the same hospital Obama claims to be born in. My birth certificate looks far different than the one I’ve seen online of Obamas. The real birth certificate shows parents names, ages, and occupations.

          • Claire

            I looked at my birth certificate and it states clearly at the top “The United States of America.” Underneath it says Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census, Washington. Then it says “Notification of Birth Registration.” Then it lists Madison, Wisconsin as the office of the State Registrar of Vital Statistics. Then my name, gender, date of birth, place of birth-Plymouth, Wisconsin, Sheboygan County. Then the name of my Father and my Mother. Signature was the “Special Agent, Bureau of the Census” plus the signature of the Director of the Census.
            I would imagine birth certificates have changed and do not look like mine. Egad, to have been born in the wonderful state of Wisconsin and end up in Illinois. Tragic. But I do not want to move away from my kids and their families and my sister.

        • Dennis

          The state of Hawaii is run by the Democratic party and like Obama they are Lying, ( they don’t want there pork funds cut ), What he has on line is a ( Certificate of Live Birth, Laser print i might add ) Not a Birth Certificate these are two diffrent things, Don just so you know they didn’t do Laser print in the 60s.

          • usmadgirl

            Dennis,

            I wonder why he chose Hawaii to spend his 2 week vacation? Maybe mixing business with pleasure? Oh my gosh, I’m turning into a conspiracy theorist! Sad part is that most of the theories about our “leader” have proven to all be true!

    • chuck b

      myth

      obama’s birthplace? you are the one that is delusional. you are easily swayed by the liberal media. you critize bush how come the demos didn’t include tort reform in their socialist healthcare bill??? and why was it necessary to completely reform a system that was for the most part working correctly?? could it be to sneak in abortion and furnish free healthcare for the illegal’s (campaign payback) and give the government more control of the population plus the largest tax increase in history. yes, you keep following the party line and eventually we will be looking at each other thru gun sights, because the socialist line will lead to revolution and i don’t plan on giving up my freedom.

      • JanO

        Either MythBuster is the dumb one or he is a plant.

        • Tinwarble

          JanO, no he’s really, really smart. Just ask him, he’ll tell you how smart he is!

      • http://aol Don

        Tort reform? The reason tort reform was not included because they want to limit it to 25,000. If a person needed life time care, 25,000 will not go to far. If someone was responsible crippling you, you would feel different. It would bankrupt you. By the time you were release from the hospital, you would owe at least a million.

        • Joe H.

          Don,
          Show a site to go to that says 25,000!!! The state of Mississippi passed Tort reform and theirs was ALL health connected bills and PUNITIVE damages of 500,000. I’m sure that the repubs weren’tlimiting all claims and punitive to 25,000. Get real!!!
          What they really need is line item veto as when we have a responsible president he can veto ALL pork attached to a good bill that makes it a bad bill. Think if Bush had it. When they added all the pork to the bill that supported the troops he could have passed it first time out!!!!

        • DaveH

          Don,
          That’s life. It isn’t always fair. I know mine hasn’t been. But nobody has a right to ride on anybody else’s shoulders unless those shoulders are volunteered.
          Lack of Food and Shelter will kill us a lot sooner than lack of HealthCare. So you think everybody should be guaranteed free food and shelter? If so, who is going to do the work when those necessities are guaranteed? That is why Communism fails miserably. And the net result of such a system is more misery for everybody, not less.
          If you really want prosperity and the resulting benefits that it provides for all income levels, then you need to research the effects of Economic Freedom. Here is a starter site. If you don’t believe them, then do your own research:
          http://www.heritage.org/index/

          • DaveH

            It is so obvious to me that the fewer people you have draining the resources of a country (Government) and the more you have producing goods and services (Private Sector) the better the economy is going to be.

    • BOE

      Myth..back when Obama was born..1968 I believe..the term under race of father says African. That term was not used until much later. Also his father was born in Africa but during that time they were still called “nigroid”.

    • JC

      Yep its all good. Except that he was not born in Hawaii. Still its a darn fine piece of paper isn’t it? Everything about Obama is a lie.

      • DaveH

        Yep JC, Liberals Lie. They have to because their claims can’t be backed up with truth.

      • usmadgirl

        JC,

        This might be a dumb idea, but I & both my sons had to have our birth certificate to get our original drivers’ license. Where & when did Obama get his original license? Just a thought!

    • Joe H.

      Buster,
      going to address my post or not? You asked dude!!!

    • Rod

      o-BUM-a has spent and continues to spend millions to keep his (uncertified) birth certificate away from public view. W-e-l-l,
      we have L-O-N-G memories and we will not stop tell we send this
      CREEP back to Kenya, where he was born! He can take Palosi and
      Reid with him. WE ARE WAITING o-BUM-a where is it? We want to
      see it now!!!

  • Myth Buster

    MichaelB? It’s you who have been sucked in by spurious nonsense and lies. Prove to me that the two Health Care Bill as proposed are “unconstitutional”. Cite the exact part. Dare ya!

    • JanO

      Forcing people to purchase health insurance is unconstitutional.

      • http://aol Don

        The government forces us to pay taxes for the highway system that we use; therefore, it can force us to pay for healthcare that we will use someday when we get sick and possibly die from our illiness.

        • George

          That’s a logical argument, but just because something is logical doesn’t mean it’s true. Of course, the Supreme Court will have to decide whether the government has the authority to make us buy health care insurance or not, so until it decides this issue, we’ll take the position that it doesn’t have this Constitutional authority. I wish I were more confident of the final ruling, however looking back, the Supreme Court has not always followed a strict interpretation of the Constitution, since many justices believe the Constitution is a “living breathing document.” In other words, they believe they can interpret it according to their current beliefs and biases. This is one of the reasons that we, Conservatives, think Progressives/Liberals are taking this country down the wrong path by abusing our Constitutional republic.

          • DaveH

            “That’s a logical argument”? Come on George, there is nothing logical at all about it. Don is comparing our bodies and our lives to asphalt. If you want to talk logic, then Don is saying that Government can do as they please with us – in other words enslave us. They do not have that power.

          • Dennis

            O yeah the Supreme Court, is that the same Supreme Court that Obamas Sonia Sotomayor is in charge of ?
            He has covered his bases hasn’t he.

    • DaveH

      Buster,
      Where have any of your statements been substatiated or supported?
      And Please, don’t confuse Hopes and Dreams with Intelligence. Any sleazy politician can peddle Snake-Oil to a Hopeful citizenry. It takes much more effort to sell Reality.

      Here is the Constitution of the United States. Read it carefully, it isn’t very long. See if you can find anywhere in it that the Federal Government has the power to take over the Health Care Industry and to Force Citizens to buy Health Insurance:
      http://www.cato.org/pubs/constitution/constitution_en.html

    • JC

      You sure like to “dare” people don’t ya? Where in the Constitution…a document about individual freedom amd personal responsibility… does it say Government shall be your Mommy and Daddy? Oh well, I guess some of you need that…I don’t.

    • Tinwarble

      Well, here’s one for you there Myth Maker,
      Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
      Does buying votes by giving immunity to certain states, sound like it’s uniform.

    • Joe H.

      Hey Myth buster, I’m still waiting!!!!

  • Myth Buster

    JanO. Your neighbor has a friend in Sweden who knows Obama will cut SS by 30%. “YOU CAN”T BE SERIOUS!” A you a liar, or simply a moron?

    • JanO

      We shall see whom is the moron, time will tell. I can only tell you what this gentleman told me. But being the trust fund is unfunded, due to government ‘borrowing’ it, their just might be some truth in it. The government does not like spending our tax dollars on us. They have other uses for it, such as dog parks & tennis courts.

      • DaveH

        Yes, and I have seen many instances where the Government has harassed a private company for not having their pension funds fully funded for any future and present retirees. And I’m talking funded to the point that even if the company went out of business the funds would be there.
        And that same Government runs a Ponzi-scheme Social Security system that is solely dependent on current workers to pay for the current retirees.

      • George

        And, don’t forget political pay-offs, buying votes from so called moderate/conservative Democrat senators in Congress to get the votes necessary to get this bill passed, buying General Motors and Chrysler and giving them to the unions, $800B for a stimulus plan that doesn’t stimulate the economy, not to mention lavish date nights and vacations, and flying Air Force One across the world numerous times. The list is long and impressive.

        • DaveH

          There is no doubt in my mind that the Democratic leaders are just plain evil.

    • JC

      Obama is a Communist and apparently so are you.

  • Unbelieving

    U are unbelievable…73% of Americans polled BEFORE the public option was deleted wanted healthcare reform WITH a public option as competition for the greedy, make you wait, don’t cover you if youre sick, raise your rates if you get sick and only pay part of the bill after you have paid in years of premiums private insurance cos. Oh, they have non-medical people deciding which drugs and which illness will be covered or not, usually not, too.
    I know you dont know what the word semantics means but that is what you are arguing when you say Obama’s Certificate of Birth, which is online for your perusal, is not a birth certificate. Get real!
    Medicare is going broke because it needs to be expanded to cover the whole range of the natural pool of people not just the riskiest, unhealthiest part leaving the healthy people to fund the greedy, lying private insurance cos. Read something, you might learn some actual facts and get the real story.

    • chuck b

      unbelieving

      where did you get your information? 73% wanted healthcare with a public option? thats the funniest one yet! you and myth must be reading from obama’s talking points or should we say obama’s myth- thology. even abc hasn’t gone that crazy! and furthermore this bill the senate just passed is an insurance companies dream. the public option in some form will be inserted back into the bill in conference and then it will be a matter of time before insurance companies will be out of it and a single payer system installed. of course you liberal’s will be happy your getting something for nothing (except good medical care) and wait months for care, like canada and europe. either way your tax’s will be going thru the roof

    • Joe H.

      Unbelievable,
      You are truly unfreaking believable!!!! The 73% was AGAINST, not for are you dyslexic or something? The 73% was against the bill in any form. Even more so with a public option.

    • DaveH

      Typical Liberal, making up unsupported facts. Here is what people really think about the Health Care Bill, and the Public Option:
      http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/december_2009/voters_frown_on_health_plan_details_abortion_proof_of_citizenship_public_option

      • JC

        Well dave, it stands to reason. I heard that 96.3% of Liberal statistics are made up on the spot 83.4% of the time. ;)

  • A.Z. Reed

    The Health Reform Bill should be renamed the Health Insurance Bailout Bill. It primarily benefits insurance companies (millions of new subscribers) and pharmaceutical corporations. Yo watch how these corporations were carefully protected by Senator Lieberman, Sen Baucus and Sen. Reid during the politicing was nauseating. This bill is not backed by physicians, but by the AMA (ONLY 29% belong to this money-hungry guild). It even provides for legal action against Americans!
    What we need is a bill to help Americans, and the nation. Not the casino-type behavior witnessed by the egotistical men in Congress who have not even read the bill entirely. Start all over.

    • Dennis

      Exactly, lets start over! If this current pile of crap were as GREAT as they are trying to convince us of then why do they need to RUSH it through? Liberals passing the bill without even reading it.
      They are HIDING horrible things in there, thats why!
      Reid is sneaking in admendments that can never be changed, that needs 2/3 Senate vote, and he is just squeezing it in the most boring spot, hoping it gets overlooked. It is unconstitutional to make something law that no other future seats can change, but what do they care of this constitution pain in the butt piece of paper.
      It is impossible that it will be debt nuetral. They are throwing the cost into different programs names, trying to mislead people. Well it doesn’t matter what name you give it or what category you put it in, you can’t lie to the national deficit. How could anyone not understand, that if you need to BRIBE someone, then it CAN’T be good! These people are so dangerous to our Country. I don’t know how they sleep at night with all the evil, crooked dealings they do.
      It is time for these democrats to say they have crossed the line way to far!
      I keep hearing about how they need to pass it to make history for obama, well guess what, NOT passing it, is making history , too!
      That is one hell of a reason to pass anything, ever, just to say ahhh we made history. Well the history they will really be making is DESTOYING THE COUNTRY!

      • Joe H.

        Dennis,
        If this plan were so good they would accept it for themselves, plain and simple!!!!!

        • Dennis

          Yea, they wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole, but they want to force it on us.

      • DaveH

        It is unbelievably crooked for the Democrats to put wording in a Bill passed by only 60% of the Senate that would require 67% to change it later. Only lying, cheating, thieving Democrats would stoop that low.

      • John Hallinen

        A lot of stuff has been said about Health Care Reform and in all the rhetoric, we find that the Bill is bi-partisan in that Democrats and Republicans alike don’t like it.

        • George

          Funny how that fact doesn’t get reported much…….

  • B4REALITY

    It’s incredible that “Unbelieving” is willing to lie so easily.
    The Rassmussen poll states that “Fifty-six percent (56%) of voters believe that passage of the legislation will hurt the quality of care, and 62% say it will raise costs.” (in NE) http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/nebraska/election_2012_nebraska_senate.

    It seems like liars and cheaters prevail these days. We must call them what they are – don’t be intimidated by such PC nonsense. They’re counting on INTIMIDATION being on their side. If you don’t agree you’re a homophobe, or a racist, or a “what,” a bougeois. This is the same rhetoric of the communists, and Mao Zedong’s group. They’re THOUGHT police…and don’t forget a lie, is a lie, no matter if it was meant to “help” someone.

    Nonesense…fight them – and be the squeky wheel that they are — don’t let them lie and get away with it…facts are such pesky things.

    • DaveH

      Good comment Reality.

  • cerebus23

    Fact there was no health care crisis, it was wholly created by politicians and the liberal media.

    Are there problems? sure but hardly anything qualifying as a crisis.

    Whats the one thing that jacks health care costs? Ask any doctor how much they pay in malpractice insurance. Ask doctors how much government red tape mucks up their decisions currently and how much more they will interfear with decisions under the new government power grab.

    You cannot speak of fixing the health system without tort reform period. And that is a bit of a problem with democrats being wholly owned by trial lawyer special interests. It is kinda like asking the fox safegaurd the hen house.

    THe biggest issue with our current form of government is both political parties are wholly useless for doing anything for the good of the people. Centralized power breeds centralized corruption on a massive scale. It creates layers of red tape and inefficiency from the top and trickles down. The one size fits all approach of federal government does not work period.

    The founding fathers made the federal government a lumbering inefficient beast with the intention of major programs belonging to the states. With the tax burden not to the federal government, in fact the federal government was not permitted to collect taxes at all, but to the state governments that were meant to hold the power over their own citizens.

    Europe has been flirting with socalist nanny state programs for decades and are slowly coming around to the fact that it does not work period. All you get for your efforts in trying pseudo socalism is mounting debt and rising unemployment.

    What have we got in this country now? 14 trillion, well make it 15 or 16 trillion after this program goes into effect. Another 2 to 4 trillion for your children when social security and medicare goes bankrupt once and for all. Of course the way the federal government continues to spend your money and money they do not have period i am sure those numbers will continue to balloon.

    If you raised taxes to 100% on every rich, middle class, and poor person. Took every cent everyone in this nation has now you could not even begin to pay off the national debt as it stands now period.

    On top of it our wisened leaders in washington continue to run the dollar into the ground. We went form the gold standard to the faux imaginary standard we have going today, which is unconstitutional but hey what did those old fools of founding fathers know anyway?

    At this rate if any of we the people are smart we would do one of two things. Forceably remove the federal government from power period. Or move to europe where they have in many cases begun to unravel the socalist mess they have made in their countries over the last few decades.

    • kevin

      Your right , we need to ” Take Back Our Government ” .

    • DaveH

      Very Lucid comment Cerebus.

    • John Hallinen

      Good post! It has been estimated that if we continue to press on the way we are now, by 2022 we will be paying 100% of our GDP to pay back the National Debt. Liberals, pay attention!!!!

  • TheEsq

    Well, here’s an opinion (a bit tangential from all the vitriol):

    Let’s start with term limits for everyone in politics. Then we might have the “citizen legislature” our country was founded upon.

    At least it would give us a fighting chance.

    I’ve heard the reasoning for unlimited tenure but it fails to sway me. Misuse of accumulated power and a sense of entitlement override these arguments.

    No, we probably can’t stop them today, but we can stop them.

    Term limits…a less than radical idea (think back, our best and most respected leaders would agree)!

    • BOE

      Do we not have the right to ask them to resign NOW?? If everyone in all the states start now it should cause should trouble maybe some would actually resign or change their evil ways.

    • DaveH

      Esq,
      Term Limits will not solve the problem of Bad Government. There is no substitute for an informed citizenry. And the Democrat or Republican parties are not going to solve our problems either. Both Parties have been growing government ever-larger since FDR. Big Government is the Problem, not the Solution!
      If you prize Individual Liberty, Individual Responsibility, and Limited Government (as I do) then there is really only one Political Party to vote for. That is the Libertarian Party, the Party with Principles:
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    • JC

      Throw in an abolition of the (non) Federal (no) Reserve and you’ve got something there.

  • TheEsq

    Oh, except for FDR. But he was in the middle of a
    World War, so I completely understand.

  • Claire

    I had to go to the grocery store yesterday, and while I was there I saw a blind lady and her guide dog shopping for groceries. A store clerk was helping this lady and the dog was a Lab. The dog was very well behaved of course. As I was going up and down the aisles, I would see them. I kept thinking that this lady never sees the trees, the sky, and all the beauty nature has and she could not see her faithful dog. I had just recently edited a manuscript on court cases involving therapy dogs—where people took disabled people to court for bringing their guide dog into public places— and I kind of expected some of the shoppers to throw a fit because a dog was in the grocery store. Some of the shoppers did look disgruntled and I was expecting someone to say something nasty. I thought to myself that if anyone said anything I would throw a hissy fit and come to the aid of the blind lady and her dog. Nothing happened! I was very pleased that nothing offensive was said. Then something came over me, I gave this blind lady $50 towards her groceries. Maybe I should have paid for all of her groceries, I don’t know. Now I wish I would have. I felt bad for her, but not to the point of pity because she and her dog did appear happy. She was very gracious and thanked me. This entire episode made me think how fortunate we are that we can see and appreciate the world. There is so many people that are not able to enjoy the natural beauty that God gave us. I just cannot imagine not seeing my husband, my family, my friends, my dogs, my flower gardens, and the wonderful world we live in. I don’t mean to sound melodramatic, but instances like this really makes me more appreciative and thankful for my life. We all have so much to be thankful for.

    • Claire

      I apologize for getting goofy and getting off the subject that is being discussed.

      • DaveH

        Claire,
        You are a truly compassionate person, unlike the many who think compassion is giving other peoples’ money away.
        I hope you rub off on more people.

      • JC

        That’s great Claire. You are living proof that people are naturally compassionate as opposed to the Liberal (socialist) attack dogs who think “compassion” must be legislated by way of everyone else’s wallets.

        • George

          But think they shouldn’t have to pay their taxes…..

          • Claire

            George–I do not know if they have to pay taxes or not. And to be honest with you I hope she doesn’t have to pay taxes. I will gladly help pay her taxes. The lady is blind. It would be a tragic blow to become blind or disabled. I know, a person has to deal with it but geez. The people that are disabled do not have the quality of life that you and I have. If they are lucky they have family to help them. If no family then all they have is their dog. This lady was alone with her dog, a store clerk was helping her. In asking, the lady lives near the store and I hope she got home safely with all the crazy drivers we have here. In cases like this, I cannot apologize for having compassion for people that are not as fortunate as I am. I just wish I could do more to help them. I wish I could do more to help our returning soldiers and their families. I wish a lot of things but I am not wealthy. If I were a millionaire or a billionaire you can imagine what I would be doing with the money. I would be helping people, the people that are truly deserving of help.

          • Joe H.

            George,
            I think the blind get a double deduction on taxes, if I’m not mistaken!!

          • George

            Oh, I’m sorry guys. I think you misunderstood me. I was not referring to the blind lady. I meant that “liberals” don’t think they should have to pay their taxes since so many have been caught cheating recently. Sorry about the confusion.

  • Au Contrair

    All of you guys have good points and you feel a little like you are sitting on quick sand. You feel that alarm bell going off but you don’t know the half of it.. First let me say that the statisitics do not lie if you care to look at them. This is a fact “As of 2008 the number one cause of death for Americans of all age groups was western medicine itself. That means doctors, hospitals, and the pharmaceutical Industry were the number one cause of death in America. This is an opinion, “Western Medicine is a complete and total fraud that is not only willing to bankrupt us but Murder us as well.” This is a fact American Medicine with the help and blessing of our government including the military and the CIA has been experimenting on American service men and women, Veterans, Children, Minorities, Women and prisoners without their informed consent from its inception and has not stopped doing so to this day. This is a fact The United States, made an agreement with the rest of the world to stop the proliferation of bio weapons of mass destruction. It has never kept its promise and today harbors some of the most deadly diseases known to man. The Anthrax scare was just the tip of the iceberg. Both Bush and now Obama have stepped up the process of building an arsenal. I’ll let you decide for yourselves why they are doing that. All you have to do is look up Bio weapons at Fort Dietrich Maryland to get the full story. That said, the Health Care Bill is not about health other than brilliant emergency care and some great surgeons and advances in the areas of transplants and surgery U.S. medicine is about suppression of health not promoting it. Creating, managing and maintaining chronic diseases for maximum profit through outright fraud and intimidation and what amounts to needless torture of the patient has been the reality of American “medicine” for over a century. What is so diabolical is knowledge about simple nutrition, vitamins, herbs and minerals and non invasive healing known in other countries for centuries has been almost completely suppressed in the U.S.A. bv the “for profit” health care industry. This so called bill is about Complete and total control over every aspect of our lives. Not just us but all of humanity. This is happening world wide and was supposed to be kicked off by this so called swine flu pandemic. The pandemic that is supposed to make Baxter International Pharmaceuticals billions. The Pandemic that never was but that Obama as an investor of 250,000 of their stock has promoted right down to declaring Marshal Law to promote and facilitate the vacinations. Then last July Obama was indicted along with members of the CDC, the WHO and the Austrian Government when it was found that Baxter International had sent virus infected vaccine to 18 countries which killed and injured both animals and humans who came in contact with it. This indictment was for Murder and attempted murder and the intent to commit genocide with a bio weapon. Of course that is something that will never get reported on the mainstream news because the media is owned and run by the Instead of spending the first hours of the last decade of the world as we know it arguing with labels lets get an understanding of what is happening to each and every one of us. What is happening to all of humanity.
    Labels, Politicians, Democrats, Republicans, Liberals, Libertarians, Conservatives, Males, Females, Race, Religion and the list goes on. These are the weapons the mind controllers have armed us with to render us powerless. Why? because if we have a chance to look at what is almost upon us we might literally wake up just in the nick of time to KEEP THEM FROM ENSLAVING US. You, me, the citizens of every other country on this planet have something so basic in common that it defies argument. We will be the victims of the greatest crime against humanity that the world has ever known and Americans will be the last to realize or understand it. Why? Because the mainstream media, especially of this country literally acts as surrogate for the Devil himself. If you care to take your destiny back if it is not already to late, revelations comes as close to explaining it as anything else. If you would like a more contemporary view of what is happening in this country that makes the message so important and timely just understand this. “Marshall Law” was declared this past summer and renewed again in October. We are in the final stages of the overthrow of our government. This was not instigated by one party or one President. Both Eisenhower and Kennedy made the effort to stop it. At least one if not both met their untimely deaths because of their efforts.
    The rest have been and are merely the “PUPPETS” used to distract us from the task of looking at the puppet masters themselves. The beginning of the story starts with a movie for which the Producer also met his untimely demise for bringing to light. Like so many Scientists, Whistle Blowers, Heroes and Heroines he paid the ultimate price for his Patriotism and his humanity. His message to us is that “Patriotism without humanity is meaningless”! Don’t let his message be in vain. He has documented the beginning of “OUR” story “It IS UP TO THE REST OF US TO WRITE THE END OF IT”! If you care to take back your destiny; go to http://www.Freedom to Fascism.com. watch the movie it is very enlightening.

    • Time

      Dude, your so right it hurts! Thank you I guess all but for the lacking of my ability on the computer of what I have tried to say, BUT what you have expressed oh so well.
      PEOPLE read the avove post its 100% on target.

    • JC

      Aaron Russo was one of my hero’s. A true believer in freedom and seeker of truth.

    • Joe H.

      Au Contrair,
      Hate to burst your bubble dude but my brother in law works for a company that just got done disassembling a furnace that destroyed the last of the U.S. governments chemical weapons stockpile!!!! The Chem weapons are GONE!!!!

    • Tinwarble

      Au Contrair

      First, western medicine has not been the cause of the majority of the deaths of Americans, the number that deaths that have been taken to come to that conclusion is from the number of people that have died in hospitals. That could be from natural deaths, accidents, drug overdoses, malpractice, or any number of other things. I do agree that natural herbs & nutrition can do a lot more than western medicine gives it credit for. But it doesn’t do everything, just go ask the people in 3rd world countries how those herbs are doing against Milaria or Trachoma, diseases that have been wiped out by western medicine throughout America & Europe, but are still prolific. Western medicine is by no means perfect & some drugs that are supposed to help people do get past the FDA without the right testing to make sure that there are no long term side effects, but Americans still live long now then they ever have do to break throughs in medicine. I mean, if you cut your foot off in some unfortunate chain saw accident, are you going to go to a chiropractor to adjust your spine to fix your foot, or are you going to go to a surgeon hope that he/she can sew it back on. As for the the Health Care bill, I agree in part, but it is mainly about government control & making people reliant upon the government.
      Also, about bio-logical & chemical weapons, yes, the United States, along the the rest of the developed world, have stock piles of these. But this has been the case ever since their invention, even though we are a ratified member of the Biological Weapons Convention. However, almost no country has destroyed there stock piles, but these weapons will never be used, because of their unpredictable nature, they are mainly used for research purpose by the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), to defend against biological attack.
      As for the movie that you referred to, well, lets just say that I have taking seriously anyone who is a 9/11 truther (Arron Russo) & anyone who does take a look at the film should keep that in mind.

      • Joe H.

        Tinwarble,
        Read my post above about the stock piles!! It is the solemn Gods truth!!

        • Tinwarble

          Joe H,

          That may be true, all that I know is that in the 90′s when I was in the AF we did still have stock piles of chemical weapons. I know that they had a plant in Utah were they were destroying some of the stock piles. However, my point was that we do still have stock piles (I don’t know how large) of biologics (not weaponized), which are used for study by the CDC & the USAMRIID, because you have countries like IRAN that do not comply with the Biological Weapons Convention & we have to have defenses against any such attack. That’s all I was saying, not agreeing with what Au What a Nut Job was saying.

  • http://Blogspot.com/themarshalsoffice Don Elwood

    From: CHRIS MEIER

    Sent: Friday, January 02, 2010 12:30 p.m.

    Subject: FW: It’s Time

    I keep forwarding this, but am beginning to wonder, is it REALLY an amendment, or one we wish for??

    It is time for Amendment 28

    Amendment 28

    Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives, and

    Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States..

    When the people fear their government there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

    –Thomas Jefferson

    Please pass this along to as many people as you can and do it quickly! We want this one to spread across the nation this week! Thank you.

    • chuck b

      where in the constitution did you find the 28th amendment?? or as you say is this wishful thinking?

      • American Citizen

        As he said, it is time for it. It is being proposed by the American people.

  • Raggs

    Oh give me a break!!!!!
    The only problem with health care is big brothers foot in my as*.
    It’s a money and greed configuration hell bent on communism. Load up…

  • Normal Guy

    DaveH

    As always separatist, terrorist wannabe – Libertarian simpleton – here are the facts that you refuse to acknowledge. Here is a post again.

    So like I said here is a little information about the Libertarian Failure in New Zealand. You can verify the stats in numerous cross references. The source of this info is indicated at the bottom. Libertarianism is unworkable. The problem as I have stated before is that coercion is exercised by anyone with power, individuals, corporations or governments. Citizens have more influence over government than they do corporations or individuals and this is why government exist in every country, people have found this to be the best solution. Libertarianism is unworkable.

    The 15-year free market experiment in New Zealand from 1984 to 1999 was been an unmitigated disaster. The suffering caused among ordinary New Zealanders is well known: the highest youth suicide rate in the developed world; the proliferation of food banks; huge increases in violent and other crime; the bankruptcy of half the farms in the country; the economic disruption of hundreds of thousands of lives; health care, education and other social services devastated by the mad marketplace scientists.

    Incidentally, the private emphasis on healthcare, education, and social services meant that the poor were in essence taxed more heavily because these essential services required a larger percentage of their incomes.

    They failed on every count. As for the debt in 1984, it was NZ$22-billion, but after 10 years of experimenting, it had doubled to NZ$45-billion — in spite of the sell-off of NZ$16-billion in state enterprises. Today, it has finally returned to 1984 levels, but only through more Crown asset sales.

    And economic growth? In the years 1985-92, average economic growth in the OECD countries totalled 20%, while in New Zealand it was negative, at -1%. The promised creation of enormous new wealth went into reverse: Real GDP in 1992, at 5%, was below the 1985-86 level. A burst of growth from 1993 to 1995 petered out, and the economy steadily declined until it dipped into negative territory in 1998, posting the fourth-worst growth in the OECD.

    The transformation of the economy was supposed to spur foreign investment, but it mostly meant a feeding frenzy on domestic corporate assets. In 1993, the proportion of GDP in investments was just 70% of what it was in 1984.

    The restructuring of the economy failed most dramatically on the unemployment front, and the country has never managed to get back to anywhere near the 1984 level of 4%. The “workless and wanting work” figure peaked at more than 18% in 1993. In 1999, that figure had been reduced only to 11.2%.

    After eight years of restructuring and massive labour deregulation, New Zealand’s productivity began a steady decline in comparison with its neighbour, Australia. From 1978 to 1990, the rates had been similar. The gap steadily increased between 1990 and 1998, with Australia posting a 21.9% increase and New Zealand just 5.2%.

    Only the wealthy in New Zealand could see any benefit from this destructive exercise in social engineering. Between 1984 and 1996, the top 10% of income earners measurably increased their share of total income. The lowest 10% lost 21.6% of their 1984 income. More than 50% of the total working population had lower real income in 1996 than in 1984.

    Source
    August 15, 2000 in The National Post (Canada

    • DaveH

      You just don’t quit with your misinformation, do you Normal Liberal?
      Folks, read this and learn what a Liberal’s words mean. For New Zealand:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_New_Zealand

      • DaveH
      • DaveH
      • Normal Guy

        DaveH – the anti-american traitor

        You really are dim.

        Here is another post with the link.

        Critics of the economic system favored by libertarians, laissez-faire capitalism, argue that market failures justify government intervention in the economy, that nonintervention leads to monopolies and stifled innovation, or that unregulated markets are economically unstable. They argue that advances in economics since Adam Smith show that people’s actions are not always rational[6], that markets do not always produce the best or most efficient outcome[7], and that redistribution of wealth can improve economic health.

        Other economic criticism concerns the transition to a libertarian society. Critics may argue that privatizing Social Security would cause a fiscal crisis in the short term and damage individuals’ economic stability in the long term.[8] Libertarians are opposed to any “privatization” that would include compulsory joining of a private system.[9]

        Another criticism is of the handling of Latin American economies by libertarian economists:

        Between 1973 and 1989, a government team of economists trained at the University of Chicago dismantled or decentralized the Chilean state as far as was humanly possible (the so-called miracle of Chile). Their program included privatizing welfare and social programs, deregulating the market, liberalizing trade, rolling back trade unions, and rewriting its constitution and laws… Chile’s economy became more unstable than any other in Latin America… growth during this 16-year period was one of the slowest of any Latin American country. Worse, income inequality grew severe. The majority of workers actually earned less in 1989 than in 1973 (after adjusting for inflation), while the incomes of the rich skyrocketed. In the absence of market regulations, Chile also became one of the most polluted countries in Latin America. And Chile’s lack of democracy was only possible by suppressing political opposition and labor unions under a reign of terror and widespread human rights abuses.[5]

        Most of the economic improvements in Chile happened during the period from 1989 to 1995, after the end of the Pinochet dictatorship that was “supported” by the Chicago economic team. Growth rates since the return to democracy have doubled over what they were during the dictatorship, including those in the current socialist administration, which has not made any significant changes in the economic policies. [6] Libertarianism’s critics argue that the real-world results in Chile and elsewhere demonstrate that libertarian economic theory is not only faulty, but potentially threatens freedom, democracy, human rights, and economic growth.

        Of particular interest to economists is the “New Zealand Experiment”, which began in 1984 when Roger Douglas became Minister of Finance and began radically restructuring the country’s economy to fit the libertarian model[10]. Over the next 15 years, New Zealand’s economy and social capital faced a steady decline: the youth suicide rate grew sharply into one of the highest in the developed world[11]; the proliferation of food banks increased dramatically[12]; marked increases in violent and other crime were observed[13]; the number of New Zealanders estimated to be living in poverty grew by at least 35% between 1989 and 1992[14]; and health care has been especially hard-hit, leading to a significant deterioration in health standards among working and middle class people[15]. In addition, many of the promised economic benefits of the experiment never materialised.[16]

        Free trade has many critics, who argue that trade barriers are necessary for economic growth in some or all situations.

        Here is the link “Criticism of libertarianism”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_libertarianism

        • DDC

          Normal Guy, why do you always wright a damn book when you make a comment? Are you trying to convince yourself? Must be you are insecure.

        • DaveH

          Normal Nitwit thinks cluttering up the board with cut and paste wins a debate.

        • DaveH

          And wow, there are people that don’t like the Libertarian philosophy. Such a revelation. Of course, anybody who feeds at the Big Government trough doesn’t like it. And the sycophants who hide under the Big Government Umbrella don’t like it. And the Big Businesses that get the subsidies and the regulatory protection from competition don’t like it. Yes, the Libertarians have a lot of vested-interest enemies. You are so intelligent for pointing that out Normal Liberal. NOT!

    • George

      Normal,

      I’ve been reading through these posts tonight, and I’ve noticed you almost always start your post with a few insulting words to the person you are responding to. It’s more difficult to get people to think objectively about what you are saying right after they’ve been insulted. Word to the wise, try dropping the insults. You’ll do better…..

      • JC

        Good advice George, don’t expect it to go anywhere. “Normal” is just doing what the left does best…shriek and cry.

    • DaveH

      From Normal Liberal’s comment:
      “Citizens have more influence over government than they do corporations or individuals”.
      I don’t know what world Normal Liberal comes from but I simply don’t buy products or services that I don’t approve. It’s quite the contrary with Government. I have little or no control over what they force on me. And it’s Corporations that have influence over the Government, not the citizens. We can see that now with the Global Warming Hoax and the Alternative Energy companies that are hoping to make a killing at our expense.
      And this guy calls me a simpleton? Wow, to call him ignorant would be an insult to ignorant people.

      • George

        Dave,

        I’ve been enjoying your comments. You’ve been on a roll today…..ha. Keep fighting the good fight! We’ve got your back. Don’t let those libs rest too long.

        • DaveH

          Thank you George.

      • DDC

        Yea DaveH, keep up the good work. I definitely got your back.
        As a Navy Seal, all my unit thought I had eyes in the back of my head.

        • DaveH

          Cool. Thank you DDC.

      • Tinwarble

        I guess Normal has never seen a company fail because people stopped buying their product. Unlike corporations, you can’t stop buying from the government, they just take without giving you a good return for your money. I am no fan of big corporations that treat there customers like a number, but at least if I feel that I am getting a bad product from them or that they have bad service, I can stop buying from them. On the other hand, if I feel like the government is providing a bad product or service, and I decide to stop giving them money, then they send the IRS, FBI or police to my door to put me in jail.
        I am glad though, to see that Normal has got that “CUT” & “PASTE” thing down.

    • JC

      You have a “zero” grasp of Libertarianism. And quoting from a mainstream Canadian newspaper gives you zero credibility. Their papers are just as government biased as our own. Canada’s National Post is a notoriously left wing outlet. Suits you doesn’t it?
      And sadly it works on people unable to think for themselves.

      • Normal Guy

        JC

        Ever read the National Post? It is the business paper in Canada and leans Right. It was owned by Conrad Black – a Neo-Con.

        But who needs facts when you can just make stuff up.

        A typical ignorant comment from a right wing zealot.

        • DaveH

          Conrad Black was completely out of the National Post in 2001. And so what anyway?
          News Flash Normal Ignorant Liberal, many right-wingers are also afraid of the Libertarian Party. They are afraid because they like their Big Paychecks and the Big Government that protects them from competition.
          Libertarians are not right-wingers and you would know that Normal Liberal if you actually used your cerebral cortex to research and learn something instead of thinking with your Lizard Brain.
          http://www.instantbrainstorm.com/lizard_brain.html

          • DaveH

            And Conrad Black is a crook. I guess that makes sense. Kind of like a kindred spirit to the controlling, thieving Liberals. You admire him, don’t you Normal Liberal?
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Black

        • DaveH

          Didn’t I hear the recess bell Normal Liberal? Time for you to get back to your 8th Grade class.

          • Rod

            What Dave H.? You mean Normal Liberal got as far as the eighth grade?

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Abnormal Gay doesn’t understand the difference between a NEOCON and a conservative!!! It’s kinda like the difference between the old USSR and the old U.S.of A.. I would think any person with half a brain could see it but then Abnormal……….

        • Normal Guy

          DaveH –

          Again you show that you can’t understand what you read. The article I was referring to is dated August 2000. The national post was sold to Canwest 50% in 2000 and 50% in 2001. The editorial staff was not changed until 2003. All your other blather I will just ignore.

          • DaveH

            So Normal Liberal,

            Do you look in the mirror at night and say “I’m not a pushy, controlling, thieving Liberal”, “I’m not a pushy, controlling, thieving Liberal”, “I’m not a pushy, controlling, thieving Liberal”?

            Maybe if you repeat it often enough, you will deep down believe it someday.

            You poor, tortured, vile person.

          • Joe H.

            Abnormal Gay,
            you remind me of a kid that showed up on Town Hall not too long ago. 16 years old and on the debate team. The kid was just like a gnat buzzing around your head. Bothered the hell out of you with his incessant buzzing, but didn’t do any real harm. Just like you aren’t doing any real harm to the movement to oust the libbers up for reelection…. I see one senator has finally decided not to run for reelection this year. I guess he realized that the writing was on the wall. The rest should realize it too!!!

  • JC

    Don’t Cry For Me….America?

    In the early 20th century, Argentina was one of the richest countries in the world. While Great Britain ‘s maritime power and its far-flung empire had propelled it to a dominant position among the world’s industrialized nations, only the United States challenged Argentina for the position of the world’s second-most powerful economy.
    It was blessed with abundant agriculture, vast swaths of rich farmland laced with navigable rivers and an accessible port system. Its level of industrialization was higher than many European countries: railroads, automobiles and telephones were commonplace.
    In 1916, a new president was elected. Hipólito Irigoyen had formed a party called The Radicals under the banner of “fundamental change” with an appeal to the middle class.
    Among Irigoyen’s changes: mandatory pension insurance, mandatory health insurance, and support for low-income housing construction to stimulate the economy. Put simply, the state assumed economic control of a vast swath of the country’s operations and began assessing new payroll taxes to fund its efforts.
    With an increasing flow of funds into these entitlement programs, the government’s payouts soon became overly generous. Before long its outlays surpassed the value of the taxpayers’ contributions. Put simply, it quickly became under-funded, much like the United States ‘ Social Security and Medicare programs.
    The death knell for the Argentine economy, however, came with the election of Juan Perón. Perón had a fascist and corporatist upbringing; he and his charismatic wife aimed their populist rhetoric at the nation’s rich.
    This targeted group “swiftly expanded to cover most of the propertied middle classes, who became an enemy to be defeated and humiliated.”
    Under Perón, the size of government bureaucracies exploded through massive programs of social spending and by encouraging the growth of labor unions.
    High taxes and economic mismanagement took their inevitable toll even after Perón had been driven from office. But his populist rhetoric and “contempt for economic realities” lived on. Argentina ‘s federal government continued to spend far beyond its means.
    Hyperinflation exploded in 1989, the final stage of a process characterized by “industrial protectionism, redistribution of income based on increased wages, and growing state intervention in the economy.”
    The Argentinean government’s practice of printing money to pay off its public debts had crushed the economy. Inflation hit 3000%, reminiscent of the Weimar Republic . Food riots were rampant; stores were looted; the country descended into chaos.
    And by 1994, Argentina ‘s public pensions – the equivalent of Social Security – had imploded. The payroll tax had increased from 5% to 26%, but it wasn’t enough. In addition, Argentina had implemented a value-added tax (VAT), new income taxes, a personal tax on wealth, and additional revenues based upon the sale of public enterprises. These crushed the private sector, further damaging the economy.
    A government-controlled “privatization” effort to rescue seniors’ pensions was attempted. But, by 2001, those funds had also been raided by the government, the monies replaced by Argentina ‘s defaulted government bonds.

    By 2002, “.government fiscal irresponsibility. induced a national economic crisis as severe as America ‘s Great Depression.”

    In 1902 Argentina was one of the world’s richest countries. Little more than a hundred years later, it is poverty-stricken, struggling to meet its debt obligations amidst a drought.

    We’ve seen this movie before. The Democrats’ populist plans can’t possibly work, because government bankrupts everything it touches. History teaches us that ObamaCare and unfunded entitlement programs will be utter, complete disasters.
    Today’s Democrats are guilty of more than stupidity; they are enslaving future generations to poverty and misery. And they will be long gone when it all implodes. They will be as cold and dead as Juan Perón when the piper must ultimately be paid.
    References : A tear for Argentina’s pension funds; Inflation in Argentina; The United States of Argentina. Cross-posted at: Doug Ross @ Journal.

    • usmadgirl

      JC,

      An e-mail friend of mine sent this article to me on the 19th & it’s a great article, but sad, especially with it happening to us right before our eyes! I just hope & pray our road to destruction comes to a screeching halt before we end up like Argentina. How have we let this happen in this country?! Any WHY are we continuing to let it happen & the most important question: how do we STOP it in it’s tracks NOW?

      I’m sick of worrying about this crap 24/7! I have a difficult time keeping my mind on my work – thanks to this unnecessary evil! My work requires my UNDIVIDED attention or I get sued if I miss something or make a mistake. This all needs to be dealt with NOW so I can get on with my life! Thanks for sharing the article – maybe it’ll wake up the “opposition”! Nah! Doubt it!

      • DaveH

        Madgirl,
        Our best, really only, solution to the evil that is amongst us is to learn as much as possible about the benefits of freedom so we can wake up our friends and family. The Liberals have had decades of brainwashing in the Propaganda Public School system so it is a difficult task. And try to avoid using the name-calling, ridicule, and condescension techniques that are the hallmarks of Liberalism. I do it only in response to creepy Liberals who are making personal attacks on me in lieu of providing supported facts, and even then I try to keep it to a minimum.

        • usmadgirl

          Dave H

          I’ve been busy today but I’ve had your comment on my mind all day. I was just concerned about the “avoid the name calling, condescension technique comment”. My comment above the comment you made was to thank JC for sharing the article on Argentina on this board & how frustrated I am with something new & terrible slapping us all in the face every day to the point that I’m having trouble keeping my mind on my business; so I know it wasn’t for that post. I’m sincerely concerned & wanted to know what comment caused you to bring that up? I certainly don’t want to come off with ANY liberal characteristics.

          I try my best not to offend anybody PERSONALLY, just stubborn liberals as a WHOLE (because they haven’t shown me ANY facts to back up what they say or why they think the way they do & they use NO common sense)! You’re one of my favorite “posters” & I value your opinion (even though I’m a die-hard Republican) so your comment disturbed me! Please let me know which post you’re referring to (I know, a preposition at the end of the sentence “to which post you’re referring”!). Thanks!

          • DaveH

            Madgirl,
            It was just a general statement. It had absolutely no relation to anything you have said.

      • JC

        Sadly Madgirl, I think its going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. The NWO crowd are being dragged from under their slimy rock and exposed for what they are. Communists. And the more people wake up to their agenda the faster they have to move to try and hang on to all they have worked for. That’s why Obamunist is working as fast as he can to break the US. All I can say is, prepare.

    • Dennis

      JC,
      I’m on the same page, Keep some powder dry dude.

  • Normal Guy

    DaveH

    Today Iceland is bankrupt.

    In 1991 Iceland began a Libertarian experiment, a radical program of monetary and fiscal stabilization, privatization, and tax rate reduction. Corporate taxes were reduced from 50% to 18%, and the net wealth tax was abolished. The fishing quotas were given free of charge to the owners of fishing vessels. There was a plan for Iceland to become an international financial center. In 2003, the country’s main commercial banks were privatized.

    Milton Friedman saw Iceland as his utopia. “I would like to be a zero-government libertarian but I don’t think it’s a feasible social structure. I look over history, and outside of perhaps Iceland, where else can you find any historical examples of that kind of a system developing?”

    At first, the policies appeared to be very successful. Iceland rocketed to the top 10 in the indexes of economic freedom. The Cato Institute praised the “Nordic Tiger” for its flat taxes, privatization and economic freedoms, and rated it as the least regulated country in the world.

    Unfortunately, it has become evident that these libertarian policies were not the panacea that Friedman claimed they were. In fact, economists are already using Iceland as a textbook case of how to ruin a nation’s economy. Paul Krugman recently noted, there is an “almost eerie correlation between conservative praise two or three years ago and economic disaster today.”

    The Central Bank took no steps to rein in the banks or to accumulate the reserves of foreign currency required to back their overseas commitments. Any attempt to restrain the banks and businesses was met with contempt. Iceland’s parliament was bullied into to implementing “globally competitive policies,” with the implied threat that the investors would otherwise flee the country. Which they did anyway, with the banks setting up hundreds of shell corporations in Tortola.

    Friedman’s belief that the markets would somehow regulate themselves didn’t take into account the predictably irrational character of human nature. In Iceland’s case, the investors’ irrational exuberance was matched only by the bank executives’ irrational belief that they were the best at everything.

    Certainly, no rational foreign investor would take a chance on Iceland now. It should be obvious now that regulation by disinterested parties is essential to the functioning of the markets. Until the entire affair is investigated and made public, until an effective regulatory scheme is enacted, until unbiased regulators are given real power over financial institutions, Iceland is dead in the water.

    It is time for the grownups to take over again.

    • DDC

      Damn, another book.

      • usmadgirl

        DDC,

        This comment makes me ‘self conscious’ because when I post a comment, I’ll think it’s just a short little note, then I submit it & it looks like a copy of “War & Peace” or the 2000+ page health care bill! So now, I have to apologize to everybody for being as long winded as “Normal Guy”!

        Also, Thank You & God Bless You for your service as a Navy Seal & God Bless those Seals who are being screwed over by our own government!

        • Joe H.

          USmadgirl,
          Don’t worry, your ideas and posts are much more far seeing and incite full than Abnormal Gay. He can’t tell the difference between Iceland and the USA. Like the number of people here. Hell, the number of illegals alone almost equal the population of Iceland!! I wonder how the GDP of the US and Iceland compare!!!! It’s like comparing skunks to cats!!!!

          • usmadgirl

            Joe H,

            Thanks, Joe! I’ll keep this one short – when the INTERPOL thing came up last night & I started researching more about exactly what our wonderful “leader” had done, I thought my head would explode! I don’t want him to die, because that would make him a martyr, but I wish he’d move to somewhere he actually LIKES & leave us to run this place ourselves. The people on this board could run it better! What am I saying? My PETS could do a better job!

          • usmadgirl

            Joe H,

            No reply “thingy” on your last post. Glenn knows everything! If it weren’t for Glenn, I’d be as uninformed as they come! I take notes when I watch his show every day @ 5 pm & again @ 2 am. He’s the best thing that ever happened to Fox & a treasure to this country!

        • DDC

          usmadgirl, at least your comments make sense. you keep up the good comments, and I’ll read them. I can skip over normal’s. Thanks for your kind words, and may God bless you.

          • usmadgirl

            DDC,

            No, thank YOU & all the people who serve & have served in the military! My dad was in the Army in WWII, my deceased husband was a Marine in Viet Nam & was never the same again, my uncle was in the Army & wounded in the Korean War, another uncle was an Army officer in Germany but not during war time, an uncle in the Air Force, my deceased husband’s great nephew has done at least 2 tours in Iraq, & my boyfriend of almost 7 years was in the Air Force in the Khobar Towers when it was bombed but fortunately in the next building. As a Navy Seal, you are truly a hero just for going through the training! I thank God for & pray for our troops every day!

            You keep up the good comments, too! I don’t get to post very often because of my business, but it’s a great way to share views, solve the problems of the country & just VENT! It helps to keep me from having a stroke, a heart attack or my head from exploding from all the overwhelming Socialist nonsense popping up every single day! I just wish we could all band together to protest all this junk!

          • Joe H.

            AS Beck says Duc tape is good for exploding heads – keeps them “together”!!!!!

      • DaveH

        Interesting that Normal Liberal doesn’t say anything about a man Franklin Roosevelt who instituted the beginnings of our current drive to Socialism and kept us in a Depression for 10 years. He has to dig and hunt for little tidbits taken out of context in his attempts to silence me. But there are examples all over the world of countries in economic calamity from Government Regulation. Many of you probably don’t realize that Mexico’s main problems stem from excessive Government regulation, but you probably have heard of the Bribes that are common there. The Bribes are a necessary part of life in Mexico if you want to get anything done. Notice where Mexico is on the Economic Freedom list. Also look at the other countries high on the list and low on the list and ask yourselves where you would rather visit or live.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Iceland

    • DaveH

      Normal Liberal Misinformer,
      “Free Market reforms” do not constitute Libertarianism. From the below site:
      “From 2006 onwards, the economy faced problems of growing inflation and current account deficits”.
      Inflation is a monetary phenomenon caused by Governments or their Central Banks creating too much money. You could learn those facts if you weren’t a rabid name-calling Liberal who is too busy using Saul Alinsky style attacks in a vain attempt to win a debate.
      It’s like arguing with an adolescent.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Iceland

      • DaveH

        Notice from the Wikipedia article that Iceland’s real problems began in 2008. Let’s see, so did ours. What is the point?

      • DaveH

        It amazes me that a Liberal would launch such vehement attacks on Libertarians. We advocate many of the same things that Liberals do.
        We think vice crimes should not exist. If you want to sleep with or be a prostitute, fine. If you want to drug yourself, fine. If you want to party all day long, fine. If you want to spend all your money now and save none for the future, fine.
        I guess there is one hitch. After you screw up doing all those pleasurable things you don’t get to share other peoples’ money. And that is what it is really all about. The Liberals want to do as they please, and have what they want using other peoples’ hard earned money. They like to feign compassion, but there is nothing compassionate about taking the savings of others who have done the right things.

    • JC

      No nation tied to the World bank or International Monetary Fund could posiibly have tried to institute actual free enterprise. The two simply don’t work together. So Iceland’s “experiment” is merely a dog and pony show and not to be regarded as any form of Libertarianism.

  • James

    Concerning the Health Care bills, Dennis wants to impeach them all, JC suggests a evolution may be in order, Katie says we have to take action and Arnold P. says all who voted for this bill should be made to look for a new job. I side with Arnold, the place to start is to write your Representative and Senators, and inform them bluntly that you will not re-elect them. The Senate bill passed 60 to 40, their bare minimum necessary, and the House bill passed 218 to 214, with three reps abstaining. That’s as close as it can get, all it would take to defeat the merging of these two bills into the final Health Care Act would for two or three Representatives and/or Senators to change their yea votes to nays. Write your congressmen NOW!

    • DaveH

      And contrary to what many think, the Congressmen do care about getting reelected. As an example here is a story of an Ad that Sen Nelson of Nebraska aired during the Holiday Bowl. Why would he go to this trouble if he wasn’t running scared? By the way, I wonder whose money he spent for that Ad?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvQWxn8CjAM

      • Joe H.

        DaveH,
        This is a good example of what I was saying about term limits!!! Take away the incentive to be reelected and what will make them do their job and do it as the people wish???

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Of course most of us don’t want the government taking over our health care system. But these leftwing statist politicians just thumb their noses at our Constitution and don’t give a **** what the American people think. Well, the new year and new decade are now upon us. If you haven’t made your new year’s resolutions yet, I don’t think it’s too late to do so. Let me suggest a great resolution for everybody – in 2010, 2011, 2012, and beyond…..TO NEVER AGAIN VOTE FOR A LEFTWING STATIST DEMOCRAP ON ANY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT!!

  • DaveH

    Okay, let’s assume that our Health Care Industry is in the dire straits that the Democrats say it is. How can anybody think this problem is going to be cured by throwing more bureaucrats at it? We need more Doctors, not Bureaucrats. The Government creates this condition with their ridiculous licensing requirements. There is absolutely no reason that a General Practitioner couldn’t do good work with 4 years of study. What do they usually do anyway but refer all but the simplest cases to a specialist? The only requirement should be for a Doctor to post his academic degrees and experience. Then let the patient decide which makes the most sense for the amount of money he/she can or will spend.
    Licenses are mostly about exclusion. They inhibit competition, thus creating shortages of those professionals. And we all know that a License doesn’t guarantee a good Doctor.
    There are many other problems created by the Government. Dictating what insurance companies can offer their customers is one of those. Not allowing customers to purchase health insurance across state lines is another. And sue-happy lawyers is another.
    At any rate, creating a disincentive to people that might consider the Medical Profession as a career is not the answer to our Doctor shortage. And having bureaucrats micromanage the doctor’s business is a big disincentive. Only controlling Liberals with their callous ability to spend other peoples’ money could think that our country can regulate its way to better Medical Care.

    • DaveH

      And on the subject of Medical Malpractice and Tort Reform let’s talk about Breast Implants. I remember sitting next to a man on an airplane in the early 90s. He was a lawyer. He was describing excitedly how he had been to an informative seminar coaching lawyers on the latest tort wave (breast implants). What a Sleaze Ball.
      Read this to learn more about that travesty:
      http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5722

      • denniso

        ‘Let’s assume the healthcare industry is in dire straits’…NO,it’s not a question of the ‘industry’ being in trouble, it’s the millions of people and our economy that’s in trouble because the healthcare industry has been taking us to the cleaners for decades…don’t you get it?? The ‘industry’ is like one giant fatcat slurping up billions of our $$ and fighting any actual reform and controls. You fools are helping them to continue fleecing us and living like kings at your expense. Wise up!!

        • cr747

          denniso, let’s just assume you don’t know what in the hell you are talking about!!!!!! This administration in Washington has got us in one of the biggest messes this country has ever been in. The main reason it is in such a mess, is because of the Kenyan born President,”if you can call him that,” has put us there. This joker does not have enough sense to run this country, so what does he do????? He goes and ask past Presidents what he should do, or, or ,or, could you do that for me???? Please, pretty please, pretty please with sugar on it!!!!!!!!! He doesn’t even know how to keep his dog from s$$ting on air force one. He’s probably trying to potty train him!!!!!!!!

          • Dennis

            Amen brother, And you can say Kenyan born, thats what we call telling the truth here in America, Something Obama has a problem with, Telling the TRUTH.

          • cr747

            I am aware of his certificates he keeps bringing up he has, and all his university credentials.
            I have a home in Hawaii, and here a lot of talk about “certificate of birth” and, then a “birth certificate.” I think there is a little difference in the two.

        • Dennis

          Go back to where ever it is you came from Lapdog, maybe Obama will give you a bone when he gets done destroying the country.

  • Rod

    You are right Dave H. and this MONSTRASTY called a health care bill
    has nothing to do with health care. It’s about socialism leading to
    TYRANNY! Also, take a good look at the Defence bill just passed. Lets
    see, I believe it has over earmarks in it. These slime balls that have
    ooOOZED their way into our Govt. are headed for a reckoning. The American people have had enough of their lies. We are going to make it
    right this year!!!!

  • Rod

    James, I have written and E Mailed the Senators in my state MANY times
    and you know what I get back from these radical liberals? NOTHING!!!!
    That’s OK! we have a present for them, an unemployment check!!!

  • Rod

    Dave H. you are right about keeping the nasty words out of this. You
    know, it’s just dad gum near impossible not to call evil what it is!
    The American people have HAD IT! It’s gonna be a joy watching these
    left radicals get their JUST DUE!

  • Rod

    No one has ever said, our health care system is perfect. So, you fix
    the system, not create TYRANNY by destroying this great country we
    live in. I believe the American people are waking up. Even the people
    who voted this Kenyan into office are seeing the handwritting on the wall. Too bad! Why the hell didn’t they see it in the first place?

    • jim

      The health care system needed a tune-up, not a trade-in. It’s not about health care though.

      • George

        Amen…

        • denniso

          Rod…why do you insist on lying about Obama’s birth place?? He’s NOT Kenyan!! Oh,that’s fight, you can’t do any better than to lie because you are a fabricator of myth and don’t know anything like the truth…Do you and the others really believe that hogwash? or are you just knowingly lying for effect?? Like Limbaugh,Savage, Goebels,Hitler,Cheny,Saddam….

          • cr747

            denniso, add cr747 to that list. The ones you mentioned would do a better job running this country than O-BAM-BAM is doing!!!!!!!!!

    • chuck b

      rod
      must of us saw it, unfortunately the majority ( socialist demos, bleeding heart republicans, ignorant independents,95% blacks,75% mexican & illegals, most other immigrants) thats why “they didn’t see it:!! this is why we are going to have one hell of a time getting this country back if we ever. too many people on the dole, too many people employed by the government.

      • George

        Yep. That’s just another way of controlling us…..

        • denniso

          We sane people can only hope and ‘pray’ that the idiots don’t get control of MY country ever again. It might be that they are dying off and in time will be mere bad memories. Their leader Limbaugh may just be incapacitated enough to retire to the nearest golf course and drug haven…i’m keeping my fingers crossed that he has uttered his last nonsensical on-air rant…

          • George

            Denniso,

            I’m curious. What is your vision of a great country, and sane leadership that helps us achieve that vision? Are you opposed to conservative principles or just Republicans? I’m asking as one American to another. I’m trying to figure out if there’s any middle ground on which we might agree and work together, or if we just live in two separate worlds that will never be able to come together. Have a nice day.

          • Dennis

            You’ve got to be one of the dumbest Obama Lapdog’s i have ever seen, Your so stupid to think that this Healthscam bill is for US, your not worth wasting time on.

      • DaveH
        • Joe H.

          DaveH,
          not really. It could backfire on them. The government employees are paid from tax money and if enough people are laid off and tax revenues go low enough then we could start seeing some lay-offs in the government sector!!!!!

          • George

            Joe,

            That’s what should have happened this time, but really didn’t because when the states got into financial trouble the federal government sent part of the stimulus money to them to keep the states afloat so they didn’t have to lay off employees. In other words, much of the stimulus money (which was borrowed) was spent by state governments keeping their employees on the payroll rather than laying them off, which is exactly what the states should have done to balance their budgets. That is why the stimulus money hasn’t (and won’t) stimulate the economy; ie, spending on non-productive areas rather than productive areas of the economy. It probably also means that the federal government will have to continue subsidizing the states (at least the blue states) using printed or borrowed money for a long time……and the federal debt just keeps getting larger and larger…….at our expense. Aren’t our representatives wonderful?????? I guess that’s why they decided to give themselves a large pay raise and continue those lush retirement plans at 100% pay for life while excluding themselves and their families from the health care reform act that they have so “graciously” decided to provide for us and our families, again all at our expense. Great guys, aren’t they? Can you say CROOKS?

        • chuck b

          dave

          i think too many people have forgotten why the ussr fell and were not watching the news coverage, cnn showed the area where the communist party members lived and they lived very well. the ccn bureau chief was relating the information as the camera was scanning this particular area, the communist party members were the so called upper class, engineers, state workers, teachers and so on. they were living on the back of the russian peasants (non-producing), you might say our country is in somewhat of the same straits. i’m not saying the gov workers are communist, but civil employees are out numbering the producing segment of our society and the tax base is not covering the cost. the current rasmussen report you mentioned pretty much confirms this.

  • Au Contrair

    You guys are still at it with the divisive comments and no more enlightened than you were before. I guess you aren’t worried about our health care system killing you however I do have the statistics if you care to bother looking. THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THE ANSWER IS NOT IN POLITICS BUT IN TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN HEALTH AND YOUR OWN DESTINY. IF YOU DO, this argument you are having amongst yourselves as well as every issue we face will be coming from a shockingly different perspective than you can ever imagine and the HEALTH CARE THAT THE GOVERNMENT is pushing BECOMES IMMEDIATELY IRRELEVANT AS THE SCAM THAT IT IS.

    • Tinwarble

      WHAT!!! That make no sense at all, are you trying to say that people should take responsibility for their own heath care. OK, sure, people should, when you take an aspirin for a headache, then that’s taking responsibility. But, when someone tells you to take an aspirin, what kind of aspirin to take & then says if you don’t take the aspirin you’ll be fined &/or put in jail, then that’s forced health care. That is what is happening now, forced health care, that makes this discussion absolutely relevant. How’s that for some perspective?

    • denniso

      Au Contraire…you sound smart enough, but you’re missing a very important point. Politics is what controls policy in most societies,ours included. Politics is what distinguishes peoples different views on what a society should stand for and how to get there. Just because politics is devisive and meanspirited doesn’t mean that the issues that create the discord isn’t very relevant. The reason we have 2 major parties is that most(not all)people fit w/in the general views of each. Repubs are often cheap,war mongers,and sometimes bigoted and lacking in compassion for strangers. Dems have a view that all people,the weak or lazy included, deserve a decent life..also that we should strive to care for the very earth that literally supports us and pursue peaceful ways in the world.
      These human values result in political differences,so we fight it out in the public arena. When it reaches a point of violence,then it’s overboard.

      • Tinwarble

        Oh, denniso, you are so completely right. But wait a minute, then why would Syracuse University professor Arthur Brooks after researching his book “Who Really Cares” say “When you look at the data, it turns out the conservatives give about 30 percent more. And incidentally, conservative-headed families make slightly less money.” Well, don’t let a little thing like facts & the truth get in your way, just keep on spewing your small minded ideas like, what’s mine is mine & what’s yours is mine. You also forgot to mention that it was a Republican, Abraham Lincoln, that freed the slaves & that the Dems that elected someone who was a Ku-Klux-Clan member, Sen. Robert Byrd, as its Majority Leader. Oh poor little guy, don’t you just hate when facts get in the way of your Liberal talking points.

  • stash

    The only comments I have seen that are intelligent and worth reading are those from ‘Normal Guy” and “Claire.”

    • Tinwarble

      Really, Normal Guys comments are intelligent, so stating partial facts & half truths are intelligent. Well are we all just dumb, I thought showing all the facts & telling the whole truth was a sign of intelligence, here I could been doing half the work.

    • DDC

      stash, if you think normal guy is intelligent enough and you believe what he is saying. you are in the same category as he is.”A DAMN IDIOT.” He thought when the LORD said BRAIN, he thought He said said RAIN, he ran to shelter. normal belongs in a rubber walled room.

      • denniso

        Once again,just spewing nonsense..why don’t you actually try to put together a cogent thought and argument,rather than acting like a juvenile bully on the playground?

        • DDC

          denniso, Why don’t you kiss my a$$. Talk about a bully on the playground. All you comment about is how bad everyone is treating poor little Obama, and all the morons in the white house!!!!!!!!!

    • DDC

      By the way, I think normal guy wrote that comment anyway. Right normal guy?

      • Tinwarble

        You might be right! He probably needed a pat on the back, so he did it himself.

    • Rod

      Stash, I know what the problem is, You were absent when God gave out the brains.

      • Tinwarble

        Ha! Ha! How old are you?? Don’t you have some tinker toys to go play with?

  • B. Heaster

    Does it really matter what the prople think about the health care Bill because the government will pass this illegal Bill as they do all other Bills that help add to their pockets and deduct from ours.
    When are the people going to wake up and smell the stinch that has been coming from the Government since the Democratic house majority has domination over the decisions.
    “We the people” is not the standard anymore it has been for the last six Presidents “We the Government” Congress and Senate has Destroyrd the very fabric of the American way of life by selling out to the lobbist whom converge on their door step when they don’t like what isn’t theirs and more so as foriegn liberities are extended to nations we set free with American blood.
    Why can’t we learn to live in harmony with out chastization of each and not try to change what has been in America for many a centry’s & decades.
    And old saying goes like this, “If you have something that is and has been working, why delve in the art of changing it in hope that the changes will help when we as Citizen know out right we are being shafted by our Government leadership as well as false hope with one big price tag.

  • Rod

    You will hear the SCREAMS of people like (Normal guy, Claire and stash) above all the rest of us if this health care bill goes into
    effect.

    • Claire

      Rod:

      I don’t believe you have the right to include me in on any screaming.

      • JC

        I don’t get it Claire. How is it these folks are lumping you in with “Normal Guy” (snork!). I’ve never seen you post anything that would remotely agree with Normie..

        • Claire

          JC–I don’t know. So far, Rod is the only one lumping me in with Normal Guy, I guess. I haven’t read everything on this post yet. I am strong(I think) and I will deal with it.

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            Don’t worry, you’re cool with the rest of us as we know your heart is in the right place!!!

            Rod,
            Cut the lady some slack!!!

          • Tinwarble

            Claire,

            I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Some people just don’t know how to displace their anger.

          • Claire

            Thanks guys, I realize that there are people that are truly upset with Obama, and understandably so. At least I acknowledge the error of my ways.

  • cr747

    Claire, you are not even close to being as low as Normal Guy. I also think that Normal Guy is commenting under the name,”Stash”!!!!!!!!! He, Normal Guy is a snake in the grass!!!!!!!!!!

    • Dennis

      cr747,
      I agree with you, Claire you may have voted for Obama just like alot of other people did looking for Real Change it just didn’t happen he is just another Liar, but reading your comments tells me you are a real American who beleaves in this country and would stand up for it and our freedom And i would stand there with you.

      • Claire

        Dennis–Thank you!

  • DiverDan

    Are any of you aware that Congress just voted themselves in a new raise for the next 2 years, $4,700.00 this year and another $5,300.00 for 2011, a total of $ 10,000.00 over the next 2 years, and then they take away our rights?, I am waiting for then to get Bonuses to ruin the country, possibly another BAILOUT for Congress, everybody else who did a crappy job gets one, why not congress?

    • George

      I had heard that they had voted themselves another pay raise. I also heard that they’ve excluded themselves from the health care reform bill they’re rushing down our throats. I think that upsets me more than the pay raise, which by the way, should be tied to the strength of the economy just like CEO pay is usually tied to the price of the company’s stock. That means, low salary with large incentive to grow the economy. If that happens, everyone wins……I think. Do you see a problem with this formula?

  • B. Heaster

    Remember “We the Government” and then cry in your soup, be you Republican or Democrate your life is in the worst change in the history of This United States of America as we once knew it. This Health care program is just the begining as our grip of control on what comes out of the Governments takeover of our basic rights as free Citizens. Beware of the hidden factors you have not seen as of yet. Pay raises and bonuses are short, yet the things like this health care program are forever an big part of which is to come in our future. You can make a difference in 2012. Our votes don’t count anymore it is who the most money to by a seat in our government through electorial votes and foriegn cash flow. I have never seen such bickering amoung people who may have the answer and still not heart to act upon it other than post them here.
    I post these of may own feelings without intent on harming those who read them.

    • Joe H.

      B. Heaster,
      I agree with 2012, but it starts this year when we expel the liberal asses that are just as guilty as O-man!!!!

  • Axel Frank

    We all dislike insurance firms, only wherever would we be if they were not around.

  • http://charter howe

    Getting personal and trashing the opinions and character of others doesn’t do anything to resolve the problem most of us want to see fixed. I voted for McCain by default because he was the lesser of two evils and in my opinion his major malfunction was that he is a Progressive. The liberal democrats are all progressives and some Republicans have developed that position based on their personal beliefs and not those of their constituents. These do nothing Congress people are in constant gridlock over ideology, not what American people need. The TEA PARTY people understand whats going on and are showing opposition to the Democratic and Republican stupidity. These people are being insulted, demonized and dismissed as nutjobs by Obama, Reid and Pelosi and therein lies the crux of the problem in our country. The UNHOLY trinity is taking us over a cliff and while the hardcore democrats refuse to believe that and would rather sacrifice their children then its their choice. We have to vote out the liberals and progressives and they are in both parties otherwise this merrygoround to nowhere will never stop. California is a good example of liberal progressive liberilism, the State is bankrupt to the tune of 40 billion dollars. Pelosi, Boxer, Waters, Waxman, Lee, Feinberg and a few others have done a marvelous job of sobataging their constituents and their own state. Other states will begin to fail if this massive health care is passed, because what the dems have’nt told anyone is they raised the threshold for low income eligibiity for medicaid to 30,000 dollars per year income and the States not the gov’t will all bear the brunt of the increased taxes and the need for massive budget increases to provide this service. This notion to do this is plain evil, because it will kill jobs and be the beginning of the end for entitlements because we are broke as a nation, no money honey, no cash on hand, the Chinese and Japanaaese hold over two trillion dollars of our debt in T-Bills and we are having trouble borrowing more and the Congress and Whitehouse has the brass to push hard for Healthcare, Cap and Trade and Amnesty none of which are nuetral deficit. They are lieing when they say it won’t cost anything. Just the massive cost involved in more big govt to administer these programs will be a huge snatch on your wallet. The entitlement program needs reductions for continuation of free money otherwise the free money will dry up when the debt comes home to roost. The fed is pumping out money as we speak that will cause the value of our dollar to drop and add the final straw to break our back. Stop with the personality conflicts and use all that energy to put the heat on our law makers to stop the rediculous taxing and more importantly the spending. We can fix things as we can afford them to save our Republic. I spent 29 years in the military and I have always voted for people that could get the job done, and I hope you will vote this corrupt bunch out of the whitehouse and the communist liberals out of the Congress and don’t forget to kick the progressive Republicans out by voting. I didn’t spend my life in the military to see people take our constitution down and thats what is really happening a little every day. If you believe we don’t have a problem then you are part of the problem and the picture will soon be clear.

  • A.

    The depravity of the heathcare bill is superseded only by the depravity of the despicable tactics of those democrats who support it. Their illegal attempts to cram it down the throats of Americans are a new low that will make them GO come Nov. 2010! To the healthcare bill and so much more that has been tainted and corrupted by the touch of the liberal left, We, The American People say NO!

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