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Democrats Won’t Negotiate With Stupak, Will Move Forward With Reconciliation On Healthcare Bill

March 17, 2010 by  

Democrats won't negotiate with Stupak, will move forward with reconciliation on healthcare bill As the deadline approaches for the Senate vote on healthcare reform, Democratic leaders have confirmed their plan to move forward on the bill using a fast-track legislative tactic known as budget reconciliation.

They have also said they will stop trying to work out a deal with Representative Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) regarding federal funding for abortions.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), made the reconciliation announcement—which will allow Democrats to pass the bill with 51 votes, instead of the usual threshold of 60—in his letter to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Thursday.

“We will finish the job,” Reid said in the letter, adding that “we will do so by revising individual elements of the bills both houses of Congress passed last year, and we plan to use the regular budget reconciliation process that the Republican caucus has used many times.”

As federal funding for abortions remains a sticking point, and as the latest round of negotiations with the proponent of an amendment that would ban it have come to a naught, Democratic leaders have said they will no longer try to negotiate with Stupak.

Commentators have said this suggests the Democratic leadership believes there aren’t enough pro-life Democrats that will follow Stupak in voting against the bill, something the latter disputes.
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  • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

    “Yeah you’ll finish the job, Reid and bankrupt us all”__If they had the votes like Pelosi said she did all along, they’d have passed this bill a year ago__Fess up, Idiots!

    • William Nealey

      Angel they are too stupid to fess up. they are convinced that we the people are stupid. oh well we did elect them,

      • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

        YEAH, THE MAJORITY OF WE THE PEOPLE VOTED THE JACKASS’S IN,I FOR ONE DIDN’T.

        • Harold Olsen

          Likewise. I am proud to say that there is not a single member of either house of Congress that I have ever voted for nor will i ever vote for.

          • Lewis Munn

            My voting has been to get all the information I could, and vote for those who agree with me on issues. Often in the minority, and sometimes information is hard to get, leaving me to vote for the most conservative party or person, on GP.

            But then, I had a family member run for office several times, and became aware of what goes on. How minority votes are tossed by vote-watchers for the DemoPublicans. And how ballots were spoiled to avoid counting by the DemoPublicans.

            Nowadays it is simpler, just program the computers in the voting machines; and if you are still losing, send in the repairmen, to reprogram the results! And even pay illegals to vote “right” and often!

  • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be
  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    If reconciliation is only used to balance the budget, why or how can it be used to pass healthcare? Can this be challenged now, or do we have to wait until it is passed into law to have the Supreme Court make a decision on this?

    My country is not the country I grew up in! We used to be able to trust those in charge to make decisions that were the will of the people.

    Vote in November! We must throw the corrupt out!

    • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

      AREN’T THE DEMS TRYING TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION TO PASS A LAW THAT WILL NOT REQUIRE A VOTE ON HEALTHCARE, IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE PASSED?

      • Jana

        angel-, Yes, its called deem and pass. They deem that the bill has been passed (magic wand) and then they vote on the amendments and voila it becomes law. Just like it sounds deem and pass I call it demon pass as it is wrong and they are evil for doing it in this manner.

      • GregS

        angel, I don’t think they’re planning to change the Constitution in order to use this sleazy tactic. The House is just going to craft its own rule to use it if they can’t get enough Democrats to vote for the bill. The tactic is called the “Slaughter Solution.” It’s named after a liberal Congresswoman, Louise Slaughter (D-NY), who dreamed it up. If they end up using it to pass the healthcare bill, it could face a constitutional challenge in the Supreme Court. Here’s a link that explains it more in detail:

        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703909804575123512773070080.html

        The last statement in the above article quotes Pelosi as saying, “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”

        • Joe H.

          GregS,
          When we get rid of as many of these progerssive crappers in November and 2012, we need to convince them to pass a law that says that we need a majority vote at the very least as that is what our framers built our system of government around!!!! VOTE IN NOVEMBER AND IN 2012!!!!! GIVE EM’HELL!!!!!

          • GregS

            Amen, Joe!

      • J C

        They’re not trying to “change” the Constitution…they’re trying to S**t can it.
        Thing is, even GWB said “The Constitution is just a damned piece of paper”

        No one left to trust in DC.

        • momof4

          JC,
          That is for sure!!!

    • thefedupamerican

      I just LOVE this part of Reid’s letter: “we plan to use the regular budget reconciliation process that the Republican caucus has used many times.”

      Doesn’t that sound like a school kid? THEY did it so I’m not wrong for doing it too! We need some adults in government…soon….before the children finish ruining the country. http://www.thefedupamerican.com

      • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

        Dear Fedup__Yes_ Reid does sound like a school kid__Nanny, Nanny, Foo Foo Repubs!

        • Louise

          Why won’t the republicans co-operator? It is time for them to stop acting like spoiled brats! We sent them to Washington to do a job now it’s time for to get to work.They have not done any thing useful in the last 15 months. they have cried and belly ached because every thing hasn’t gone there way.
          I plan on voting in November.

          • Joe H.

            Louise,
            you might as well not vote as from what I can tell I’m gonna just cancel out your vote with mine!!!!!!

          • Jana

            Louise,
            You have bought into a lie that has been propagated by the Dems. They say the Repubs won’t co-operate, but the Repubs have been ignored totally, and left out of all of the processes. They have not been given a chance to co-operate. Obama and his minions have made it clear if you want to co-operate, then shut up and vote yes. Wow, that’s some great choice. Ignore anything they say, and demand they vote yes. We are being dictated to, not represented. This are sad sad times.

            You also need to be aware that most of Obama’s top advisers are Socialists, and Communists. The “Change” that Obama is bringing, is to take us down to a third World Country status. BEWARE!

    • Harold Olsen

      The “will of the people” is whatever our politicians says is our will. They’ll do whatever we want them to do AFTER they tell us what it is we want them to do.

    • James

      Robin from, No, it can’t be challenged before it becomes law. It is true though that no one needs to obey an unconstitutional law, and the part that requires an individual to purchase a healthcare plan is patently unconstitutional. The federal government has no power to force citizens to do something they feel would be good for them, that is a decision each citizen is free to make for him/herself.

    • Lewis Munn

      I agree, but corruption springs ahead of people as the machines take over. Political, and voting!

      The archaic Rules need to be modified to get honest elections, somehow. But the use of computers has opened the way to electronic pre-rigging and easy changing of results in mid stream by “repairmen” called in when needed.

      “Progress” is not always the most desirable!!

      Maybe we need to have identical sized coloured stones and have them put in containers and weighed in the presence of witnesses?

  • Ric

    It’s all about self service any more, do you think they care about what the people really think? The sad truth is that you can’t trust either party, so what do you do? You go with the lesser of two evils!

    • Harold Olsen

      Perhaps going with the lesser of two evils is the problem. Either way, evil wins. We need to abandon the two major parties and support a third party like the Libertarians or the Constitution parties.

    • Lewis Munn

      IF people did not follow your idea, we’d get more votes for the 3rd parties, and more honest elections, in my opinion. Rigging would be easier to see.

      But people are taught, as you have been, to avoid the 3rd parties, no matter how good they are, by the DemoPublicans and their machines in the news and in Public Schooling.

      Of course, we can avoid this problem by all voting for the Muslims, and getting Sharia Law, where if you vote “wrong” you still have one hand to vote right!!

  • Raggs

    You all really need to see what this bill is all about.
    Included in this will be a national I.D. which will give the government full control over everything in your life such as bank account info, they will control what you purchase and when. This I.D. will have all of your personal information on it for the government to use against you and forceably control you.

    If you do not believe me I suggest you do some research….

    • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

      Raggs your exactly right!__They already know what the hell we make a year from income tax and they can’t find all the info they think they need, they use fornesic bank records.

    • CHARLES W. GORBETT JR.

      RAGGS, I AGREE WITH YOU, OUR GOVERNMENT IS OUT OF CONTROL. MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAS LOST SIGHT OF WHY THEY WERE ELECTED TO OFFICE, THEY DO NOT HAVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT HEART.

      THANKS, CHARLIE

    • Lewis Munn

      It has been Prophesied long ago…starting to see it more and more now!

  • Norm

    The bill is flawed but the alternative (do nothing) is totally unacceptable.
    http://www.workingamerica.org/issues/healthcare.cfm
    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/05/health_numbers.html

    • Lewis Munn

      I disagree.

      If we pressure our Senators enough, and make the bills not pass, they will have to show their hands fully with some other schemes, and that too can be brought to the attention of the public!

      My father used to say, of two evils, choose neither!

      I will not weep if bad legislation and procedures are not made laws, and the arrogant proposers are shown to have caused the government to grind to a halt, and they not get paid!!

  • Sharonbelieves

    Smacks of the mark of the beast to me. God help us all! Time to get our houses in order!

    • Raggs

      Yes it is!….

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    In fact, it was the “white” women vote that put this “foreigner” in as president which the Bible forbids(Deut. 17:15)! Jacob’s trouble is here, for sure by 2011, but probably by this fall! Islam is our smallest problem! The “Anti-Messiah” is here and we also all know how the blacks vote! Does anyone remember the “Two Weathermen” in Chicago in the 60′s that Charles Manson in California took off on? They put Obama in the White house(America has Veto power) and they are now in Africa getting the 70% of the UN’s Nations to back this Black President with Veto Power in the UN to have “Blacks” control the “New World Order” with these two Chicago “White” minutemen! Talk about racism! This is history folks! Tell me about an educated public, especially the white women who intellectually even are smarter then the men!

    • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

      Victor, I beg to differ, I’m white and I’m not one of the white women who put Bambi in office!

      • momof4

        I am a white woman also. I didn’t vote for the manchild.

        • Smilee

          Looks like your manchild whipped some republican butts this week, I guess you think even a child can out fox them republicans

  • http://google.com James B Pham

    Since the President Obama and his smart team have planted many good grapes fruit; however, there is numbers of foxes that could not reach these fruit, they said,” Oh, this kind of God’s fruit should be contaminated when using it.”
    God knows everything even in your heart’s pulse. Go sees every hair on you head.
    Public option is the pre-existing condition of the nation and the world. It’s a freedom on this earth. Where there is liberty; there is my country. President Obama ‘s policy that pave the peaceful plan to the world; people enjoy this plan not war. Public option is the world record library of the leader which one stand on negative behavior and attitude, he or she would be determined on their fate lucky or unlucky.
    Servant of the Lord

    • Warrior

      James,

      I have to go drop some acid now. I’ll get back to you later on this.

      • Raggs

        I think he swallowed that acid with kool-aid..

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          WHOA!__THE HELL HE SAY??

      • Jana

        Uh—-What????

  • Warrior

    By the end of this week it will be deemed a bill without even voting. In fact, if they can somehow make it retroactive to say 1967, just think of all the backtaxes could be collected. Now that’s progress you can believe in.

    • Jana

      Warrior, its called deem and pass or the term ought to be demon pass.

      • momof4

        Jana,
        Good one LOL.

  • Norm
  • Norm

    The healthcare bill may be flawed but the alternative is worse.
    http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/05/health_numbers.html

    • Norm
    • s c

      In the remote possibility that you ever a penny’s worth of common sense or a dab of awareness that your utopian ‘healthcare’ will result in dictatorial, freedom-hating government, the “alternative” to what Obummer wants is FREEDOM. What don’t you understand, Normy?
      FYI, that’s a most revealing address [americanprogress], Normy.
      Your mask has been ripped off, guy. IF you have any use for freedom, IF you have any reason to believe this nation will be free for long, IF you dare to imply that you ever had any self-respect or compassion [God help your kids], that facade is forever GONE!
      Be damned careful what you wish for, Normy. Self-fulfilling prophecies tend to be negative and extremely devastating.
      By the way, from every freedom-loving conservative in America, ET TU!

      • Craig

        AMEN

      • Norm

        s c
        If walking lockstep like a good Nazi is your idea of freedom, good luck with it. You right wingers have no freedom of thought. It’s “yes sir” to your religious fantasies, your simple minded hate mongering political masters, and your unfailing support to the very billionaire elite who are leading this country on a one way trip to mediocraty. If you want freedom try opening your mind!

        • Warrior

          Norm,

          This is nothing more than a fleecing of private industry and further control of the masses. You are delusional my friend. The progressives should get the same bus ride back with the illegals.

          • s c

            Amen.
            Sobeit.
            You nailed it!

          • Norm

            Warrior
            One point your missing my friend is that your position is the minority one.
            Also If I got on a bus to where I came from, it would be a short trip. I and both my parents were born within a 30 mile radius of where I currently live. And my state was one of the first in the union.

          • Joe H.

            abnorm,
            If we are in the minority, why are 68% of the population against the reform??? why are 75% asking them to start over from scratch:?????

        • Joe H.

          Norm????? Care to answer????

        • momof4

          Norm,
          You should talk.Please give me a break

        • Smilee

          Joe

          It was the majority that passed it into law last night, not the minority. They did vote on it actually there was three votes taken contrary to what some are saying here, most here who have no understanding about this process or the content of the bill, just angry people venting because they are not going to get their way

      • JeffH

        The Center for American Progress…The Center has no information on its website about its funding, but the Washington Post reported that “seed money pledged by such deep-pocketed Democrats as financier George Soros (and mortgage billionaires Herbert and Marion Sandler)” assisted its formation.[9] The authors of Her Way, a biography of Hillary Clinton, also assert that the Democracy Alliance, a progressive donors collective, has funded the Center. They also assert that the Sandlers and Soros provided seed money.

        They are essentialy the Obama policy advisors. Its President and Chief Executive Officer is John Podesta, who served as chief of staff to then U.S. President Bill Clinton. Podesta also was the one person that was most influencial in the formation of the Obama Administration.

  • James Corbin

    If the American people doesn’t want this HC bill and some of the other Dems.—-You would think the idiots, Obama, Nancy and Harry would get the message. They want the government take-over. They want to rush it through but it really wouldnt start untill 2012. On the other hand we would be paying for it as soon as they pass it. No body has even read the bill trough and it is to anybodys supprise what it says or means.—-They just don’t get and dont care !!!!!!! It is ashame for our country—–The best in the world and they want to change it——-This is something else I don’t understand, If people doesn’t like it here why don’t they leave or go to the country where they are satisfied????????

    • Jana

      James C

      They won’t listen. They refuse to listen. They want to be dictators.

      It makes no sense. These people want to tell us how to live and most of them have no idea what goes on in the real world. Just like actors get up on their pedestal and tell us who to vote for. Excuse me??? Someone who makes a living at pretending wants to tell me how to vote? HA!

      Actors as well as Congressmen and women have no idea what it feels like to have to live from paycheck to paycheck. They have no idea what it means to have to live on a budget and stick to that budget. Yet, they think they know how to run our lives better than we do. Sure they don’t.

  • tim J

    Pass it, sometimes they have to be spoonfeed.

    • Warrior

      Who, the payers or the payee’s?

    • Joe H.

      timj
      Said like a person on welfare. Probably for life!!!

  • Benjamin Paul

    Heeey—we’re on tha’ way ! Come manana’—we’ll be Obama!
    The new American Socialistic Marxist United States of Communist America—just what I have worked so hard for 76
    years–now, my grandchildren will be Obama’s and they can begin to learn to “goose step” and the art of ” lying”—–”to the victor go the spoils”

    • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

      Benjamin Paul, God love ya, honey, I’ll bet you’ve seen changes, you thought you’d never see__In a way I’m glad my folks are gone__Because what’s happening now would kill them___I look at the Grandkids and Just shake my head___But ain’t over til it’s over, Keep prayin for divine intervention!!

      • Joe H.

        Angel,
        My father in law is just shy of 90 and he fought in WW2 with the Dark Horse Battalion in Germany. he right now is just insenced at what is going on!!! He says this is not what he and a lot of his friends fought and died for at all!!! I have to keep reminding him to calm down for his heart!!!! he is one of the best people I have ever known and he supports a dozen charities and does it without the demand of the government!!! God Bless all of them like him!!!!

  • James Corbin

    Sharonbellieves—-You are right. If you know the Bible all the prophecy is coming true. People say how can you go by the Bible—–
    but what is says is coming true. Slowly everything is falling to what the bible tells us will happen.

  • James Corbin

    This ID id just another way to lead to the mark of the beast. What they are talking about won’t help.These people that hire the illegals
    doesn’t care, as long as they get cheap labor. We will always have illegals as long as they can find away to come in to the US

    • http://www.americairemember.com angel-wanna-be

      Yeah we will always have illegals, because the Democrats are going to need all the votes they can get come fall!

  • James Corbin

    This Bunch we have in Washington, could care less what is right or what is wrong…Even the Senator from WV, told them it is wrong to use
    Reconciliation in this manner. By-the-way, this senator is a democrat.

    • s c

      If you’re talking about Sheets Byrd, you need to remember that 1) he’s very old, 2) he doesn’t have to try to suck up to the WORST prez we’ve ever had, and 3) he probably has more common sense than all of the other ultraliberal progressives in Congress COMBINED (on BOTH sides of the aisle).

      • Norm

        s c
        One man’s common sense is another man’s folly.

    • Norm

      James Corbin
      I believe that that was a false report about Sen. Byrd.
      But the man is no hero of mine. He is a former member of the KKK and is one of the biggest earmarkers in the Senate. To his credit, I will say that he always opposed Bush’s war.

      • Michael J.

        Norm,
        Sen. Byrd also opposes reconciliation.

        • Claire

          Senator Byrd probably thought they said “constipation,” not reconciliation. That is why he opposes it. lol

          • momof4

            Claire,
            You crack me up LOL!!!!

  • tim J

    The 1950′s, communism, the cold war McCarthism, all scare tactics. Well, “we have nothing to fear, but fear itself”. If you don’t care for SS, then vow to never take a penny of it or any of your children.

    • Joe H.

      timJ,
      Fine then you pay me back every cent plus interest I’ve paid into it!!! If you are so against my freedom then leave this country!!!

    • Lewis Munn

      The ponzi scheme is finally collapsing.

      Just give me all my money back the government forced me to give them, and I think I will do just fine.

      Thank you.

  • s c

    So how would someone like Normy justify queen nancy’s justification of that damned bill? She said ‘we have to pass it to learn what’s in it.” Oh, DUHHHH!
    Can you say b s? Can you say shove it? Can you say stick it? Can you say move to a country where your presence is appreciated?
    What the hell is wrong with you RETARDS? This is America. Your plans will DESTROY the country you CLAIM to ‘love.’ Do you really think the rest of us will bend over and smile?
    You seem to think that any legislation that gets passed has to be loved and adored by the American people. Think what you want, BUT when the pendulum swings back the other way, get used to pissing and moaning on a daily basis, you stinking traitors.
    Turnabout is on its way, and it’s going to be a royal bitch, you damned NWO useful idiots!

    • Pat R

      What really amused me was when Obama announced he was going on Fox today to plead for support for his Obamacare!!!! After all the name-calling and accusation of Fox not being a news org.; I wonder what kind of treatment he expects to receive?
      It just goes to show what a hypocrite he is. But, it’s the numbers thingy: Fox’s ratings are higher than all the other networks. Just how much support do you think he will muster on FOX?

      • s c

        I’m hoping that the good people at Fox News will give Obummer a huge tub of vaseline – and then hope he’s “smart enough” to know what to do with it.

        • Lewis Munn

          Delicious on toast, and speeds the digestion too.

    • Norm

      s c
      The bill will undoubably pass. It is not a great one by any means, but it’s the best the Dems will get.
      It’s not nice or politically correct to refer to retarded americans in a negative way.

      • GregS

        “…retarded Americans…”

        Yep, that description fits Pelosi (and the Dems who vote FOR the healthcare bill) to a tee!

    • Joe H.

      sc,
      I still wonder if it’s because there is a rider in there somewhere that has amnesty in it????

  • eddie47d

    If budget reconciliation get’s the job done then so be it. As long as they have the appropriate vote (51). That’s how our Republic works and both sides put up a good fight. I’m sick of Washington gridlock. It’s like our politicians are blockcading themselves and hoping the other side dies.Win or loose move forward or get out of the way.

    • s c

      Citizen, your brand of ‘logic’ demands that if America ever gets stuck with a wannabe satan (are we that far from it now?), Americans will be forced to ‘live with it.’
      Frankly, I find your reasoning – and your sense of reality – more than a bit unsettling. Some “people” can live with anything.
      Most Americans do not have that problem. But then, most Americans are not – and will NEVER be – ultraliberal progressives (or worse).

    • Norm

      eddie47d
      I agree. No laws are being broken. The Neocons will cry in their beer like always. The fact is that they are more responsible for a flawed bill than the Dems are.
      No action on healthcare is simply not an option.

      • GregS

        Norm, while it may be true that “no laws are being broken,” the Dems are frantically using sleazy tactics to pass a massive trillion-dollar entitlement, which most Americans OPPOSE! Furthermore, if they go as far as using the “Slaughter Solution” to pass the bill, it may even face contstituional challenges, as well.

        • cr747

          All of you have to over look Norm,,he’s 2/3 shy of a full house..No doubt the rest of you understand what I mean..

          You can tell by his jawing over something that’s completely over his 6th grade education..You get the drift??
          He will learn the hard way what a bunch of retards we have in Washington when they are all voted out in NOVEMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Lewis Munn

            Or…he will learn when Nirvana does not arrive at his place on a silver platter, but he has to pay or starve, and the government has his number all ready to send his notice of termination!

            Thanking him for having done his job and saying the country has no more use for him.

  • Benjamin Paul

    HEEEY, EDDIE47D—–IT AIN’T NO LONGER ABOUT HOW THE “REPUBLIC WORKS”; THAT POOR METAMORPHIS WAS DISCARDED THE DAY OBAMA PUT HIS FOREIGN- HAND ON GOD’S BIBLE AND” LIED ” TO ALL AMERICA. WHEN YOU LISTED THE PHENOMENAN THAT” AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE VOTE[ 51 ] “—-HEREIN LIES THE UNSEEN SOCIALIST-MARXIST ENEMY AT WORK—SEE “THE LOUISIANNA PURCHASE”—THE”CORN HUSKERS FRAUD- VOTE PURCHASE”,SEE A C O R N & S.E.I.U. FRAUD ACTIVITIES,SEE VIDEO ON OBAMA CLAIMS “C-SPAN TRANSPARENCY”—-LOOK INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE AT PELOSI-REID” ARM TWISTING” TO ILLEGALLY GET “51″ VOTES AND ON AND ON AND ON—-

    • Norm

      Benjamin Paul
      Lay off the Jack Daniels.

      • Joe H.

        Norm,
        LAY OFF THE PIPE!!!!

    • Jana

      Benjamin Paul,
      Exactly. They have ignored the Constitution and and are trying to do a demon pass.

  • Laurie

    The idiots in Washington should listen to the US Citizens and not keep cow-towing to the Non-Citizens just so they can get their votes when they eventually do become citzens. But you know that will never happen because they get everything we US citizens have to pay for FREE. Like this whole HealthCare Reform is for the Illegals, not US citizens. We are going to have to pay more for it, get taxed if we have it, get fined if we don’t have , but hey, the freaking Illegals get it ALL FOR FREE. This is not HealthCare Reform, it is HealthCare fraud at its best. I have been in HealthCare field for 25 years and have not seen a Government Run Program done correclty. There is more fraud than anything else, and we are supposed to want the Government to run all of our HealthCare, no thanks. Legislatures are not even bound by any of this Bill, so why should we take it or be made to bend over and accept it?

    • Warrior

      Be prepared Laurie because SEIU will soon come a knockin.

  • Jo

    Yesterday the hysteria was about them using the Slaughter Rule, today we are back to the Reconciliation tactic. One day we hear from the queen P woman that they have the votes on the same day another say’s no they don’t – WHAT THE HECK! What do you believe?

    And all of you that want to quote the bible as if you have had some revelatioin – there was also a caution there that said “you will hear from many with false and misleading information, becareful what you believe” and “let not your heart be troubled.” I have read the bible and I have never come across anything that said it was white women or black people that will bring us down so stop spreading your hate and wooooooe! I don’t know what your are smoking or maybe you should and get some help or respond with where it say’s what you claim.

    • Raggs

      Yeah I think people like that are spreading misinformation on purpose. However what I’m saying is exactly what the bible is saying watch the link below.

  • Raggs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9CZ5OUet3s

    Watch this video and listen closely to how and where they will scan you….

    • Jo

      Raggs I watched the clip – and unless I am missing something again not sure what.
      I understand they want a national ID. I understand that this is the same as what the Nazi’s did in Germany, I understand that this is another intrusive hand into our lives. If they really wanted to do something good for the American people well we already have ID’s in place, one for instance is the voter cards (if legal and not copied) can have our pictures put on them to verify the owner and that would confirm we were legal citizens. I don’t think I am being fooled. If they really wanted to stop illegal’s they would enforce the laws already in place. However, in an article yesterday Napolitano said that she was withholding funds for border control. I understand about the warnings of the chip and mark on forehead and I am aware to beaware of the one that would come before…..etc. So how does this confirm the remark that was made about women and blacks being the destruction of mankind? I am a woman and am fighting like heck for our freedoms and the safety of all our children. I am not black but I am sure they are doing the same. I am just sick and tired of all the hate, hate, hate. I think that if you can’t be the solution at least don’t be the problem!
      I did not vote for arrogant O, but when he was voted in (even though now I question if all those votes were legal)I was happy for America that we finally stepped up and saw beyond color. I really think that is the real reason people voted for him.

      • Raggs

        Oh hold on here please…. I was not the one that made that remark and frankly I do not agree with the remark either…. The writer of that remark is obviously on crack…. He or she sounds like a racist.

        • Raggs

          Exactly where are you getting?

          So how does this confirm the remark that was made about women and blacks being the destruction of mankind?

          I have read all of the post and you seem to be the only one mentioning this…. Unless you are referring to victors post?

        • Jo

          Hi Raggs, Sorry I did not mean to imply you were the writer and I appreciate the info. Yes it was Victor’s and I have read the same comment on other articles from him and others. Was trying to avoid it but I guess this time I blew up. I thought my comment was a stand alone and not as a reply to yours, again sorry I did not mean to dump on you and imply that you were the writer.

          • Raggs

            Hey no problem at all…… Glad we had the chance to work this out…

  • LA

    Term limits of two terms , just as the President….pass a law forbidding any lobbying for 10 years after the two terms…no pension, other something similar to what the mainstream public has…no perks, benefits after their two terms. This will make the crooks we have in office look elsewhere to rob and steal. Someone might actually be elected to ” serve the people ” Hold them accountable for their actions just as we do the Doctors. Let the lawyers sue the politicians.
    A rattlesnake will not bite a politician or a lawyer out of ” professional courtesy “

    • Norm

      LA
      Sounds great to me.

    • Joe H.

      LA,
      Then what do we do if we get a good rep in that votes to our way of thinking:??? Do you realise just how long it could take to get another in that will do that???

  • Raggs

    http://www.thegospel.com/clients/jvim-jack-van-impe-ministries/media.asp

    I’m sending this link to you….. Watch the March 10th program. it is the second one on the program list.

  • s c

    Let’s see. Comrade Obummer HATES corporations, but he ‘loves’ the Fed and he thinks government control of corporations is “OK.” He thinks contracts are made to be broken (unless it’s a union contract). He does his worst to silence any dissent (even within his ‘party’). He doesn’t know the difference between freedom and living in a country that combines socialism, communism and fascism.
    In other words, whatever else Obummer is, he’s no lover of freedom, he’s too damned arrogant to see himself as a problem-loving hypocrite, his antics make Peanuts Carter seem like an Einstein, and he’ll do ANYTHING to ram a nation-destroying healthcare system down our throats.
    And yet, after all this, Normy and the usual ultraliberal progressive suspects demand that we see Obummer as a combination of Christ, Gandhi and Hippocrates.
    As usual, Normy and his camp-followers are still smoking that mind-crumbling crap they’ve been buying for years (please switch to cigarettes). Normy just doesn’t get it. When this world implodes, and it becomes obvious that stupidity is not an excuse and was never an acceptable philosophy, it will be too late.
    When that happens, all of you ‘special’ people (Normy and the rest of you NWO yahoos), enjoy. You CAN’T say you were never warned.

    • JeffH

      The more Big Government has control, the less control we have over Big Government.

      • Joe H.

        JeffH,
        Very well stated!!!

  • eddie47d

    S.C. Obviously you didn’t read Norms’ web page.It is http://www.americanprogress.org.,but don’t let the facts get in your way. Gee,healthcare worker Laurie at 11:43 today. So your the one jacking up the prices and gouging the American people. “Your” industry must be in the extortion business with the mafia style rate increases. Did you know that there are only two businesses in America that can raise their rates like yours does. You’ll have to thank the Anti-trust Laws for that. I hope you’ll be getting a nice pension and one of their big bonuses.

    • Raggs

      Bah-Hum-Bug there dude.

      Progressive/ Marxist/ Communist/ Liberal…
      It all adds up to complete government control in which you can kiss my ARSE!

      • Raggs

        ed… So basically what your are saying is that you believe the government should control health care? If that is correct than you need a passport to canada… You may also think the government should have control over what you eat / drink and every other form of your consuption including where you live and what you drive.

        Well ed you can have that if that is what you desire but keep it the F**K away from me!

        • s c

          Raggs, it is amazing how much those half-arsed ultraliberal progressives want to “bless” us with their ‘it’s for your own good’ vomit. They can never truly justify anything. They just want to ram it down our throats – at ANY cost.
          By the way, I did take the time to scan Normy’s website reference. It made me want to hurl after 15 seconds. Crap is crap is crap. I can only hope that Normy was never a teacher. As for Timmy, he might be happy in Chicago, but he’d never survive in the Harvard area (sharks eat their own).

          • Raggs

            s c … Thank you.. I also purged in the site.. I hope I left them some crumbs to indulge themselves with.

        • Joe H.

          Raggs,
          May God in his infinite wisdom bless you for your final sentence above!!!!

    • Warrior

      OF course sponsored by none other than the AFL-CIO? Great reading. However you are right about healthcare providers being able to jack up pricing. The other entity IS? Insurance companies, public utilities, federal, state and local govenments, oil companies, cracker jack, government motors. The list is almost endless.

      • Raggs

        Warrior… as to whom are you replying?

        • Raggs

          I take that as your responce to ed…

          It’s funny to me I did not go to college and yet I’m smarter than ANY elected offical.. That being said I find this country being ran by morons and 1st graders. Always they are trying to find a way to take what is yours and after they use it all up they give it to someone else who doesn’t have one and the story continues until somebody says HEY WAIT THATS MINE AND YOU CANT HAVE IT. At which point they tell the teacher that this guy refuses to share. And so the teacher takes it away and so nobody will ever see it again… This is happening to our Freedom.

          • JeffH

            To the liberals, progressives and Obama’s Marxist ideaology, it will always be about “redistribution of wealth”. We have to fight them off starting this year with the already mounting momentum we have and oust this marxist president from office in 2012.

  • JeffH

    I know this is off subject, but who has recieved their census information forms through the mail. I filled it out with only the information I felt compelled to give them.
    1. my first name , last initial
    2. etnicity – American
    3. phone number – 0000000000
    4. the correct number of people living in the house

    I felt the rest of their request was far to intrusive

    • Raggs

      I recieved the short form only 7 questions.
      I understand there is a long form of many personal questions. When do you get up for work? etc… I already had a plan for the long form if I got it >>>>>burn it<<<<<….

      • Joe H.

        Raggs,
        don’t forget we need you here! we need all the voices for freedom we can get!! God Bless!

      • Jana

        Raggs, I got a short form of 9 questions. They are advertising on the radio that to not send it in could result of a $5000. fine. Also, another threat, if you don’t they will have to send a person to your home to get this information.
        I wouldn’t answer the door. I am however going to fill it out and send it in as it is nothing much to it since its not the intrusive form. We did get a rather intrusive form last year asking a bunch of questions and foolishly I answered them. I didn’t know then what I know now.

    • libertytrain

      Got mine too – hadn’t quite figured out how I was going to respond.

      • Raggs

        which form?
        Ya know the government is using a terroistic threat against anyone who fails to fill-out the form.. up to $5,000 fine and / or jail time.
        A lawer will cost you 10 times that much.. So if you have the long form ya skrewed…

      • J C

        Fill it out in crayon.
        Ethnicity: “Jedi Knight”
        What time do you get up for work?: “Work? Um, I voted for Obama!”
        And so forth! ;)

        • Jana

          JeffH,

          Oooh I love it. Smart guy here. LOL

    • JeffH

      I would hope the only form they are using would be the same for all of us. The form was pretty basic although I don’t feel a need to provide my last name nor my roomate/brothers last name or the phone numbers. The other questions were basic except I decided on American as my ethnicity. I don’t think there are any fines for not filling it out, but I do know, based on return info they recieve is supposed to affect your state and county subsidies.
      The government already has my personal info, so I felt I only needed to give them the basic headcount, ages, birthdays and that was it.

    • Claire

      I received the census, filled it out and returned it immediately. All they asked me was my name, how many people lived in my household, what nationality I was, nothing offended me about it.

    • keith

      i sent it back blank and told em to shove it obamas a**!!!!!
      seriously,i did.

  • tim J

    s.c You are obeviouly full of alot of hatred. You need to put it to use and serve this country, Join the military.

  • s c

    Timmy, I was in the military before you were born. I do hate all philosophies that try to destroy America, that’s true. Beyond that, if you’re not a predictable, dyed-in-the-wool ultraliberal progressive, you sure do sound like one. Obviously, you haven’t been out of high school long enough to have an independent mind, Timmy.

    • JeffH

      s c, little timmy used the “hate” word. Is that something that is taught by Saul or is it just the product of an ignorant liberals mind?
      I ted to believe it is both.

  • JeffH

    Just caught the Obama/Bret B inteview on FOX…just what was expected, nothing of substance other than you’re either for “progress”ives or your not. He ain’t gonna change his Marxist agenda for America under any circumstances.
    Let us keep calling and writing our representatives and voice our opinions because this HCB will be his legacy, good or bad. Well bad either way.

    • Joe H.

      JeffH,
      Did you notice he never actually answered any of the questions??? He just kept to his memorized quote!!!

  • skywolf23

    gee the governemt has not been able to run the mail, handle social security, keep medicare under check, can’t even manage the tsa to do its job properly.

    yes it is a great idea to hand over health care to them also what possibly could go wrong with that.

    and we got another 2 trillion dollars plus coming down the road to fix ss and medicare, chuck this trillion dollar monstrosity into the mix and washington will finally get their wishes the complete and utter collapse of the american dollar.

    say good buy to the american dollar say goodbye to jobs say goodbye to your lives. and say hello to higher taxes, the fed printing more money to cover its spending destroying the dollar further.

    the true goal of the hard left and the sadistic idiots in washington is to destroy this nation. it is the only thing they been steadily excelling at over the last few decades.

    • Norm

      skywolf23
      What a fine job the billionaire’s club has done at:
      1. Making loans to people who had no way of repaying them,and costing the taxpayers billions;
      2. Running a healthcare system that wastes 33% of premiums on adminstration and inflated saleries and limits services at will;
      3. Shipping production, adminstrative, and technical jobs out of the US;
      4. Closing factories in the US;
      5. Begging the government to pull their sorry asses out of the fire that they lit.

      • Jana

        Norm,
        All of which has been Governmentally controlled one way or the other. If the Gov.’t would get out of
        1. Telling the banks who they HAVE to lend money to.
        2. Stay out of Insurance which means they refuse to allow the Ins. Companies to cross state lines and be competitive. There are so many Gov.’t regulations on Ins. that it’s ridiculous.
        3. Shipping all of these jobs out of the US is another Gov.’t project, which helped cause the closing of all of these factories, along with Obama’s brilliant bail out fiasco.

      • J C

        And all of it done by way of lobbying government.

    • Warrior

      And the best part of this fraud is this constant reference to “our children and grandchildren will get stuck with the bills” is only part truth. Every current living american will be stuck paying for this progressive agenda NOW! This outright subversion of this once great nation is truly unbelievable.

    • Joe H.

      skywolf23,
      Let’s not forget the military!! Everytime the government has tried to micro-manage the military, they have screwed it up!!! The bobming halt in RVN, The christmas cease fire!!! The putting off limits of HANOI!!
      The new ROE that say that they actually have to have a weapon in their hand before you can shoot!!! What a crock! So they fire, kill our troops then lay down their gun and just walk up to them with a bomb strapped on them!!! What utter bull sh..!!!

      • Claire

        In times of war, there are instances where a soldier HAS to shoot first, ask questions later. I still say, American soldiers come first and foremost.

  • J C

    There is nothing to negotiate beyond how fast these communists can vacate our White House. Read On!

    A retired Constitutional lawyer has read the entire proposed health care bill. Read his conclusions and pass this on as you wish. This is stunning!

    Please take the time to read this and forward it out as you see fit. Thanks

    The Truth About the Health Care Bills – Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney

    Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

    To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

    The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.

    However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

    The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

    The irony is that the Congress “doesn’t have any authority” to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

    This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide.

    If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However , that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

    So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law It doesn’t stop there though.

    The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;

    The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

    I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to “be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution.” If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

    For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

    Michael Connelly
    Retired attorney,
    Constitutional Law Instructor
    Carrollton , Texas

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/connelly.asp

    • Smilee

      HR 3200 is dead and this guy is full of BS and I doubt he is even an attorney, The senate bill is the one that became law last night not HR 3200

  • Hello?

    I believe that the Bible tells us that this earth is not our home, it is temporary, although we should care about our situation while we are upon this earth and live according to our convictions as a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN. We seem to think that we are going to live forever upon this earth but in reality we should seek the LORD and prepare for the real life. God has created man to worship him and he is seeking out a few to worship and be with Jesus Christ for an eternity. The prophecy has been written and it will come to pass. This world as we know it will pass away and all that we do or say is like dust in the wind. Our real future is the light of Jesus Christ that shines in our hearts and abides in us that we know him and this spirit that abides in us is like the blood through the passover, our ticket to real freedom. Those who loose their life for the cause of Christ shall save it and those who save their life and cling to this world shall loose it. Our true escape is not planning our finincail future but trusting the LORD. Look up ,your redemption draweth near.

    • J C

      I can appreciate and respect that you have faith in the Lord. Unless the Lord has told you to surrender your life and the lives of your family, maybe you and He should get out and buy a .308 and start practicing hitting targets at 1000yds. I imagine a little divine guidance would be helpful there.

      • Jana

        I know that Hello, is just trying to offer long term hope and make us realize that one day it won’t matter. But God did not call us to be wimps. He has taught in His word over and over that we must make a stand. He has called us to be warriors in Ephesians chapter 6. Therefore, we still have to make our stand and fight against these wrongs that are being perpetrated against the United States.

        Too many people use that excuse to not even vote. WRONG WRONG WRONG. God called us to make a stand and stand I will. I will not go down easily.

        • Hello?

          Jana , I can’t understand why everyone thinks that if you are a believer in Jesus Christ it is a sign of weakness. Christians aren’t stupid or weak. We have a responsability to stand for what is right and Christ is our strength in what ever we do. Remember David and Golaith? David threw the rock but the Lord guided it and killed the giant. The true believer has one that guides his thoughts and actions from within and not wholly depend on one’s own understanding alone. All the world could come up against Isreal and the world would loose. Faith is beyond understanding and the Lord is forever.
          It has to be in your heart before you could understand. I have plenty of weapons and thousands of rounds of ammo and I can survive without any help from anyone but the Lord will guide me whatever I may do according to his will.

          • Jana

            Hello, Exactly. It takes a lot of stamina and determination to be a Christian. We are definitely not weaklings.

          • Joe H.

            Jana,
            I have a friend that came here from another country. He is legal, by the way. He is a non believer. He knows that I am a true believer and I will talk to him about it. It’s funny, I’m the only one he will let talk to him about it. Not even his wife!!! I really believe I’m going to change his heart one of these days and he will open his life to God!!!

          • Jana

            JoeH, Good for you.

          • Claire

            Believing in God is NOT a sign of weakness. It is a sign of strength and courage. However, one must help themselves and be responsible.

        • momof4

          Jana,
          I agree with 100%

          • momof4

            Jana,
            Woops, I forgot the you!

      • Hello?

        JC , I have no intentions of surrendering to anyone but I will do whatever the Lord leads me to do through prayer. He promises to come and get his own before Satan is turned loose in this world completely but in the mean time we wil fight for what is right. I am way ahead of you on the weapons just in case and I will defend my own with the Lord’s guidence. Walk softly and carry a big stick but the stick will be guided by the Creator and his wisdom. Satan is the prince and power of this world but not completely yet but it is written, he will be loosed for a season and I will not be here then. Will you?

      • Ellen Barr

        JC if using reconciliation is wrong then why did the Republicans do it so many times during their 8 years in power. Your people have used so may lies and misinformation to try to stop the Preident from making progress or getting anything through he has to use all the legal processes to get anything done. Your party has said that you want him to fail and not succeed in anything he does. How is that helping the country. The President is none of the things you have called him nor is he a Socialist, communist or any of the things you have been led to believe him. So your hatred of him has got to be something else snd you are using all of this disinformation to try to crucify him even in office. You hsve so many fox network talk show people out there doing all they can to try to keep you in fear so that you can do thier dirty work and it is not doing anything for this country. Please really take the time to listen to what they are saying and do what Jesus would do. He wouldn’t be trying to keep the poorest and sickest in our country in so much pain if he knew he could help them. Why is it so hard for you to do. The money will be recovered in very few years and we will all be able to feel blessed for being part of each others lives. This hatred is hurting you and I know you are not this hateful in your heart. Lets stop this conflict and come together in peace and brotherhood. That is what Jesus would want us to do. You are being led down the wrong path by those who want you in fear. Obama is not the antichrist nor is he satan or any of the things you are being told he is. Listen to your heart. We are all children of God and we all deserve better than this. Really check out the real facts and not those that rush or glenn are telling you to believe. I have had to give all of this to God and ask for his wisdom at this time. It is very hard for everyone. We could all be in fear, but I know God is here to guide us. If I can be of help to any of you with anything pleas feel free to write to me at EBWorld@aol.com. I pray for all of us. God bless you and let Gods love flow through you with hope and happiness. ELlen

        • Joe H.

          Ellen,
          I hate to burst your bubble but as far as how long it will take to repay the money consider this. The CBO stated it will take over thirty four years to repay what is owed to Social security so now HOW LONG do you think it will take to pay back the money from the debt????? do a little research sweety!!!!

        • Jana

          Ellen, we know Obama is not the anti Christ, but if you are truly a praying, Bible believing person I don’t know how you can be so blind to the truth.
          Obama ran on a platform of change. The change is to turn this country into a third world country. He has stated we are no longer a Christian country. This country was founded in Godly principals, but Obama does not honor them.

          • Smilee

            That’s just your opinion, what you call the truth in reality it is all lies

          • zack

            Smilee I don’t know how you came about the name Smilee, but you are smiling to big and your eyes are closed tightly. If you can’t see what is happening to our country, then pardner you are in trouble. Washington is taking us all for a ride of a life time,and there is no stopping place. Wake up dude

  • http://google michael

    Americans as a whole are uneducated in terms of political agendas that will benefit them. A large number of low income voters feel voting republican is in their best interests when it is not.

    • Jana

      michael and I suppose voting for DemocRats is good for everyone. Socialism and Communism should be the law of the land then?

  • J C

    Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan
    By JOHN MILLER (AP) – 22 hours ago

    BOISE, Idaho — Idaho took the lead in a growing, nationwide fight against health care overhaul Wednesday when its governor became the first to sign a measure requiring the state attorney general to sue the federal government if residents are forced to buy health insurance.

    Similar legislation is pending in 37 other states.

    Constitutional law experts say the movement is mostly symbolic because federal laws supersede those of the states.

    But the state measures reflect a growing frustration with President President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul. The proposal would cover some 30 million uninsured people, end insurance practices such as denying coverage to those with pre-existing conditions, require almost all Americans to get coverage by law, and try to slow the cost of medical care nationwide.

    Democratic leaders hope to vote on it this weekend.

    With Washington closing in on a deal in the months-long battle over health care overhaul, Republican state lawmakers opposed to the measure are stepping up opposition.

    Otter, a Republican, said he believes any future lawsuit from Idaho has a legitimate shot of winning, despite what the naysayers say.

    “The ivory tower folks will tell you, ‘No, they’re not going anywhere,’ ” he told reporters. “But I’ll tell you what, you get 36 states, that’s a critical mass. That’s a constitutional mass.”

    Last week, Virginia legislators passed a measure similar to Idaho’s new law, but Otter was the first state chief executive to sign such a bill, according to the American Legislative Exchange Council, which created model legislation for Idaho and other states. The Washington, D.C.,-based nonprofit group promotes limited government.

    “Congress is planning to force an unconstitutional mandate on the states,” said Herrera, the group’s health task force director.

    Otter already warned U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in December that Idaho was considering litigation. He signed the bill during his first public ceremony of the 2010 Legislature.

    “What the Idaho Health Freedom Act says is that the citizens of our state won’t be subject to another federal mandate or turn over another part of their life to government control,” Otter said.

    Minority Democrats in Idaho who opposed the bill called the lawsuits frivolous.

    Senate Minority Leader Kate Kelly, D-Boise, also complained about the bill’s possible price tag. Those who drafted the new law say enforcement may require an additional Idaho deputy attorney general with an annual salary of $100,000 a year.

    Kelly said that was irresponsible when Idaho is grappling with a $200 million budget hole.

    “For Democrats in the Legislature, our priority is jobs,” she said. “We’d rather Gov. Otter was holding a signing ceremony for (a jobs package) meant to put Idaho residents back to work.”

    Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

    • zack

      KATE KELLY you can kiss your a$$ goodby. Get in the welfare line

  • Smilee

    Looks like everyone abandoned this thread when they heard this health care bill was voted into law as no one has come on and commented on it, yes voted in, not deemed in. All nice and legal and it is now the law of the land or will be by this time tomorrow. I guess all are at home crying and praying, but it was not your prayers that got answered it was the democrats prayers that got answered. Thank God

    • zack

      Smolee It is not over yet. Still likes a few more votes to go. So don’t $$it your pants just yet. It won’t be over till the fat lady sings

      • Lewis Munn

        Or the tall, dark, and skinny man with the teleprompter sings the song displayed on it??

  • Lewis Munn

    Now the rest of us can look forward to intrusive government controls, death warrants issued to us older people deemed useless or troublemakers, and all the other little things hidden in the bill totally irrelevant to anything other than total government control of all of our lives, except those at the top who are exempt.

    Hide a copy of the Constitution and Bill of Rights in deep security; your grandchildren might want to know!!

    Men, are you getting ready to bow to the Islaamic Leaderships overseas? And take time to go run yearly around some sacred meteors?

    Women, are you ready to start acknowledging men are your masters in all things? And obey them no matter what?

    Someone needs to check the Bill and see what it does to freedom of religion and Women’s Lib ideas. Remember, it is just the start!

    Of course, forums like this will be shut down, I am sure, as quickly as possible.

    Welcome to the beginning of the second Dark Ages!!

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