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Democrats Unveil Financial Regulation Plan

March 18, 2010 by  

Democrats unveil financial regulation plan Feared by some and long-awaited by others, a plan to reform and regulate the United States financial industry has been unveiled today by top Senate Democrats.

In response to the most severe recession since the Great Depression, which was precipitated by Wall Street banks and investment firms trading in risky financial products, Senate Banking Committee chairman Christopher Dodd presented the proposed legislation that would give the government new powers to break up firms that threaten the economy, according to the Associated Press (AP).

Specifically, the bill creates a nine-member Financial Stability Oversight Council that could place large financial institutions under the supervision of the Federal Reserve, and approve the break-up of large complex companies if they pose a “grave threat” to the financial system, the news provider further reported.

Moreover, the legislation includes language giving shareholders a nonbinding “say on pay” for company executives, according to NASDAQ.

However, commentators point out that the proposal falls short of the restructuring of federal financial regulations promised by President Obama or contained in legislation already passed in the House.

The Banking Committee is expected to formally debate and vote on it before a spring break.
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  • Robert

    One small step for socialism, one giant leap for tyranny.

  • s c

    So, the illustrious members of the Senate’s Secret Handshake and Password Society have finally blessed us with their quasi-divine economy-saving plan. There is, however, at least one major flaw in this plan. You see, these ‘geniuses’ can’t recognize the chief culprit of the problem. Somehow, Dodd remembered to include the prime example of a rogue corporation (the Fed) in his scheme. It’s Washington that poses the greatest threat to America’s economy (Dodd could never grasp that fact). What a talented dude.
    Dodd, who rivals Rangel when to comes to escaping investigations, heads the banking committee that oversees what credit card firms can and can’t do (did you forget that, America?). And yet, even though Dodd won’t do his job, we’re supposed to think the Peter Principle is more important than past results.
    Without trying to seem overly pessimistic, I fail to see how Dodd or this Senate ‘think tank’ can help anyone – let alone America. Perhaps Dodd has been in Washington too long, and he’s trying to make ‘amends’ for his extended non-performance (how long has he been trying to “force” credit card firms to stop over-charging?).
    It’s too ‘convenient,’ America. It shifts the blame from people like Dodd to private business, it eliminates the government (via the Fed) as the chief culprit, and once again, America gets hosed by its “leaders.”
    Is Dodd thinking about moving to another counry when he retires? That is, a country that has no extradition agreements with America.
    What can be said about the consistent, stellar ‘leadership’ that never seems to stop, no matter how many decades problems have been festering?
    Thanks so much, Senator Dodd. You’re definitely on my Xmas card list. Keep in touch, you world-class public servant.

  • Barb

    One word, REVOLUTION!!! NOW!

    • maggiemoo

      Right on Barb! Lock and load! (Figuratively speaking, I hope.)

      • Barb

        Not necessarily for me!

  • KEN GILLMAN

    DEMOCRATIC LEADERS, BE WARNED

    VOTE FOR THE OBAMACARE PACKAGE, AND KISS YOUR JOB GOOD-BY IN NOVEMBER. WE WILL NOT SIT IDLY BY AND WATCH YOU SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY. YOU HAVE ALL BEEN ASK TO TURN AWAY FROM THIS STUPIDITY. DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT, THINK WE WILL NOT EXPOSE YOUR POLITICAL TRACK RECORD TO THE COUNTRY BECAUSE IT WILL BE DONE. THE TIME FOR ASKING AND REASONING IS OVER. YOU WERE ELECTED TO DO THE JOB FOR THE PEOPLE. IF YOU DON’T, OR WON’T, WE’LL FIND SOMEONE THAT WILL. THIS WILL BE JUST THE BEGINNING OF MORE SERIOUS THINGS TO COME. IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ONLY WANT TO SUCK UP TO THIS IDIOT WE CALL THE PRESIDENT.
    CONCLUSION…. VOTE NO……….OR WE WILL VOTE YOU GONE !

    • Joe H.

      KEN,
      There is a Code Red and Tea Party rally in DC Saturday if you can attend. Carry signs saying what you just said here!!! Give em’ HELL!!!

      • eyeswideopen

        JoeH, will we be able to tell who is who, since the Taco for immigration group is also going to be there? Oh, that’s right the tea parties don’t have anyone of any color in their group, not to worry you won’t be accidentially included in the other group.

        • JeffH

          Wrong once again size 15 EEEE in your muth.

        • Joe H.

          eyesdiscriminatedshut,
          If you had a lick of sense, which you don’t, you would know there are many persons of color in the TEA PARTY movement!!! If you were smart enough to watch the news reels of the marches, which you aren’t you wouls see them!!! If you were smarter than an amoeba, which you aren’t,……….

  • http://www.lumenok.net Eric Price

    The Joke is on US,

    Our poor out of work polititions will be lamenting their losses about next christmas. The poor soles will be planning vacations, figuring out what to do with all of the spoils gained by their yes vote. So they are out of a job. They get full pay and health care for the rest of their lives, that will be much better than the poor saps out here in the world paying taxes. Maybe they have aligned themselves to hold positions in the new communist party. How many Czar positions are still open? We WILL vote them out, but they won’t go away. The 2 party system that we “enjoy”?” today must end. I want Americans running America. People I can trust. Not a poor muslim kid from Indonesia!

    • Conservative Carl

      I wish I could be as confident as you that “we will vote them out” in November. A few of them may go but there are all too many folks who will vote for Democrats out of habit or because some ancestor said “remember the Hoover carts” from the depression of 1929 – which happened under a strong and partisan Democrat congress which passed legislation way back then affecting banking and so forth.
      I’m tired of politics as usual with social progressives of both parties selling us out. John McCain must be voted out along with Harry Reid. TERM LIMITS MUST BE INSTITUTED! Why limit the president to two terms and not senators and house members? Put in farmers, business owners, doctors – anybody except lawyers.

  • Doc Sarvis

    I think we are finally getting some needed things done in America. Fixing the finacial ship and healthcare are very big and complex issues that this administration has had the guts to address and do something about. It may not be painless but in the long run it will prove to be superior to how screwed up things have gotten.

    • maggiemoo

      Doc, I wish you would find a nice comfy socialist nation to go live in and leave the US alone. We were designed to be a Constitutional Republic and ALL of our problems arose because of straying from those principles. I feel so sad and hopeless when I read comments like yours.

      • Frank

        Dont Dispair Maggiemoo, people like this serve a very good purpose….they remind us Patriots that we can never let our guard down against Facism, Socialism, and Communism. :)

        • Swansong

          Doc, for heaven’s sakes, start confronting reality. It’s embarrasing the rest of us.

          If you want help doing so, pretend that the Bush administration was doing the same thing as ‘Budget Reconciliation’ of ObamaCare, but with goals that YOU didn’t agree with.

          Whatever THAT reaction would be, is the SAME REACTION you SHOULD have about what’s going on now.

          Be an American!

          • http://www.lumenok.net Eric Price

            Swansong, You hit the nail on the head! The Bush administration, The Clinton Administration, The Bush administration have all been playing fast and loose with our money for far too long. The fact that we have the “Deem and pass” rules is that both houses is a flag that we need to recognize. These people running our contry bow to special interests demands, because they have cash, and make a lot of noise. Thats the way it is done they will tell you. Peddling influence is what they do. Sprnding your money for someone else’s benefit. If it is not cash then they are bartering for influence. It is simply illegal and we need to do something about it.
            Vote for people who can be trusted. Vote for people who have produced useful products. Vote for people who have paid their taxes. Vote for people who must keep their books balanced to keep their doors open. Vote for people who understand that whenever a regulatory agent walks into your business, your chances of survival diminish if you don’t grease the wheels.
            Stop voting for attorneys.

          • Joe H.

            Swansong,
            We need to vote as many of the progressives out as we can this november and in 2012!! When we have a conservative majority, we need to get them to pass a law making DEEM AND PASS illegal!!! This is not what our laws are based on!! We were meant to have a majority vote at the very least!!!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Swansong,
            As a Proud American and clear thinker, I can tell you that reality is exactly what I am working with. I don’t think anyone “likes” Budget Reconcilliation but when it is for a necessary change that 1. the minority opposes & 2. the concept at least of which was a big part of President Obama’s platform that got him elected – then it should be used as the Republicans have used it 8/11s of the time.

          • http://www.secondamendmentfoundation.com Dartanian

            Doc Scurrilous;
            Did you say you are a “clear thinker” and a proud Socialist? ha ha ha

            I am speechless. I am without speech! I just can’t find the words.

          • Doc Sarvis

            I’m also proud to have made you speechless. Think on it and come on back with your thoughts.

          • Joe H.

            Hey Doc,
            Where did you get your education from??? when I was in school 68% against and 75% wanting them to start over from scratch are both MAJORITIES!!!!!

          • Doc Sarvis

            And we are a Republic for a reason.

          • J C

            The Government and the Fed working in tandem create these crisis and then try and come out as the heros who are going to save the day.
            The whole thing is a smoke and mirrors trick and completely criminal in nature. But of course folks like “Doc” who are thinking so clearly are unable to see this. This is what happens when you get your perspective from the MSM alone without reading any real history on the tactics of this band of criminals. It’s been going on forever and it has to stop. Allowing these criminals to “further control anything” is absolute insanity. Abolish the Fed, and hold politicians accountable by prosecuting them for cronyism with business criminals…and watch the economy take off like a rocket.

          • Joe H.

            spin Doc,
            “1 The MINORITY opposes” your words Doc right from your post!! the MAJORITY oppose the bill not the minority which support it!! SPIN IT AGAIN SPIN DOC!!!

        • eyeswideopen

          Frank, you are the Facists. Take the RWA test and see just who and what you are. lol I bet you are right up there with the Bushes.

          • zack

            hands a clapping lmao lol

          • eyeswideopen

            Defination of Fascism: A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right. Typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with a belligerent nationalism. Fits you conservatives to the tee. United Corporations of America will be your new ralling cry. Keep letting those corporations run this country and you will obtain your goal.

    • Frank

      Well Doc, You cannot pick & choose what part of the constitution applies to which day in which administration.
      These proposals are absolutely UN CONSTITUTIONAL..anyone supporting these wacked out ideas should exit the USA and Move where they can get this type of health care. No Biggie, but dont change the US to suit your adjenda or needs-move elsewhere.
      But guess what the best part is…if your friends dont vote on it–its not a law anyone has to abide by and cannot be held accountable for. You want problems? YOU GOTEM..100 Million Americans (at a minimum) will break this law and overwelm the judicial system. You choice..Freedom or Tyranny–

      • The Fading America

        ARE YOU FOR REAL??

      • eyeswideopen

        Frank, are you saying that the Republicans don’t have any Constitutional lawyers who have researched if this bill is constitutional? Come on, they have and it is. If not, your own people are letting you down. LOL>

        • zack

          lmao hands a clapping and feet in the air kicking

          • J C

            Good boy! Anyone give you a banana yet?

          • Joe H.

            And brain ratteling like a tambourine!!!

          • zack

            just helping out eyes, she forgot to put lmao, hands a clapping in her comment

        • J C

          EWO! Still a myopic moron eh? Good to see some things can be relied on. Sorry, but all of this BS is in fact UNConstitutional. And just because the system…the “whole” system is corrupt enough to go along with it does not make you right about anything. In fact all it does is make you and your ilk useful idiots to the globalists who pay off the red and the blue politicians….but keep clapping like monkey, you and Zack make a good team in that regard.

          • eyeswideopen

            JC, Get those COnservative/Republican lawyers busy and verify it. Don’t you think a year is long enough for them to have researched it?? You are too funny.

    • Barb

      Doc I know of a rel nice place for morons like you! It’s a little warm, actually hot, and the head guy is even worse than Obama . But You should be happy down there. So go to Hades and have a blast!

    • Doc Sarvis

      So I guess all of you calling me various names are okay with what Wall Street and other power brokers have done with our economy. And you are happy with health care prices sky rocketing all the while fewer and fewer people can afford health care – the ones that can could be kicked out of their plan when any out of the ordinary health matter springs up. As an Independent and Proud American, I can not go with that flow.

      • s c

        To whom it may concern, as is always the case wth raging ultraliberal progressives, you left out the central part of the equation. That is, you and your ilk NEVER look in the mirror. You NEVER charge BIG GOVERNMENT with the constant damage it does.
        You expect us to believe that BIG GOVERNMENT is America’s ‘savior.’ You want us to think BIG GOVERMENT has ALL of the answers.
        You can’t see the forest because the frickin’ trees are ‘in the way.’ Your “reasoning” demands that no one ever think twice about the government’s role in America’s economic disaster.
        Is Al ‘call me Einstein’ Gore your role model? If you think people like you can float through life with impunity, you have some VERY interesting lessons to learn. Frankly, between those blinders and those rose-colored glasses you love to wear 24/7, you must be in and out of the nearest hospital on a regular basis. If you’re not willing to look around you once in a while, you’ll never see what’s coming in your direction.
        Enjoy your ignorant bliss while you can. You are responsible, you will be held accountable, and one way or another you will LEARN the shortcomings of being a willing useful idiot for Washington traitors who never cared about you and never will.
        Teacher is a comin,’ and he’s totin’ one damned BIG STICK, docster.

        • eyeswideopen

          sc, what did you republicans do when you had the power to reduce ‘BIG GOVERNMENT????? Nothing. Absoutely NOTHING!!!! Hypocrites.

          • zack

            wwwoooooo hands a clapping wwwoooooo lmao

          • J C

            The only people that are going to reduce big government are “we The People”. Of course doesn’t include you and your monkey. ;)

          • eyeswideopen

            I am all for reducing it….But every time you ask one of you, which programs you want to cut, you scream like kids. Today, my Senator, Lemieux from Fl, was in senate screaming about the space program being cut. We don’t have the money, but none of you repubs/conservs want to cut anything. Come on, which programs would it be? Education? Transportation, Energy, Military, Agriculture? Put forth some of your ideas.

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            EYES BLINDED BY TRUTH!!

            Your ref. above: You are ok with reducing the size of government.

            Is Obama care your idea of reducing the size of government?

          • eyeswideopen

            Stepfang, stephang, somebody has to fix what the repubs screwed up. Did you see healthcare reform from 1995 to 2007? How about immigration reform? How about Letting Wall Street run wild, did they try to stop them? How about our dependence on oil, any progress made there? How about education, how’s that working for you? Only thing they managed to do, was to make the rich, richer, and the middle class poorer, in addition to killing our young kids for no good reason, while plunging this country into debt like none we have seen before, while making statements that “The deficit doesn’t matter, we won the elections.” Reform is needed in almost every aspect of this country, because the repubs were only interested in Big Corporations, and their own rear ends retaining power. Well, the pendulum swings both ways and I have no faith/trust in those who can’t even admit they caused/or didn’t address our problems. to fix said problems.
            I will give the Dem’s a chance to see what they will do, to help middle class American companies and citizens. So, far they will reduce my taxes that my business has to pay….My company wasn’t big enough to avoid taxes like the big corporations, and repubs sure didn’t think subsidies were for small business’ so, they have proven they want the free market to work for the crony capitalists who don’t pay taxes, and whose CEO’s hide most of their money in off-shore accounts. Meanwhile, I believe in paying my fair share and will always consider those who hide their money to avoid taxes as leeches who don’t love this country. But yes, I believe we can cut government in areas that Congress won’t like. But nobody wants to bite the bullet. Did you ever research how many billions are paid out in subsidies to the top 500 corps?

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            EYES BLINDED BY SOCIALISM

            OK Eyes, since you’ve now ranted on about nothing for a whole page, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY AND ANSWER MY QUESTION??

            Oh that’s right, you can’t without making yourself out to be a hypocrite. I am starting to get used to your reactions when we ask you a question that catches you in a lie, OR when your answer will make you look bad….. you know…… like a hypocrite.

          • eyeswideopen

            stephann, what lie?

      • Joe H.

        Doc,
        thank you for mentioning wall street as it reminded me of something in the paper today. Did any of you read about Ford showing a major increase in profit margine? In the same article it said that GM MAY show a profit this year! Guess who took the recovery money and who didn’t???? FORD DIDN’T TAKE IT!!!!!!!

      • http://Don'thaveone Sally

        Again Doc (I know you are not a medical Dr by your posts) you are so uninformed it smells. When people have insurance lets say where they work (there are many many pools by the way for small business ie payroll services that no only do the workmen’s comp insurance but also the medical, plus the services of payroll) if a person gets let say by pass surgery – it is already illegal to throw that person out and also to increase rates – all members of the group (of thousands on the service) are charged the same and you have a choice of which plan you want – so lets stop this bull. Insurance companies are the most controlled industry next to Aviation, this country has. Not only are they controlled by the Feds but also each state that they operate in. What is running up alot of the medical costs, is all these freebees for illegals, people on welfare that have Medicade etc. Public hospitals have to take those cases and eat the costs. These costs are then passed on to people who have insurance at very much higher rates. I like my insurance. The majority of the American people say NO NO NO to Obamacare – there are no medical benefits until 2014 but Oh the taxes before then that no one can afford. You talk about a job killer. This is it.

        • Pat R

          Attention Members of Congress:

          As you are willing to pass this monstrosity of a bill down our throats;
          consider this!
          This is not about Democrat or Republican; it is about AMERICA!!!!!!
          If you insist on taking my FREEDOMS away from me; I insist on taking your job and benefits away from you! IT WILL HAPPEN!
          We the People are watching every move you make! Washington and it’s spies don’t have jack-s__t on us. (Actually, I’d rather be scrutinized by DC that the American Patriots; if I were you). We’ve seen how well
          Pelosi”s Ethics Committee is working!! It Sucks as any other government run program!
          For all the Democratic Representatives are expressed that they are afraid of “Nancy Pelosi” grow some balls and stand up to that evil woman! If you don’t you can pack your bags and get out of Washington.
          WE DON’T WANT YOU TAKING UP SPACE IN CONGRESS if you are unwilling
          to uphold the Constitution and support the Citizens who put confidence in you and sent you to represent them.

          The Choice is yours while you still have freedom to choose: Either Uphold the Oath to uphold the Constitution and America,
          OR
          Pack your s__t and get out of the way!!!!!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Pat R, when are you going to rebel about the Patriot Act??? Taking freedoms away??? laughing out loud. You so called patriots let the repubs take away all of our privacy rights and didn’t utter a sound. Be proud but if you talk about rights, get it right!!!!

          • Joe H.

            eyesgratedshut,
            Oh yes, you lost so many freedoms!! What freedoms did you personally lose??? how many times were you arrested? how many times were you stopped? how many of your phone calls were listened in on?? how many times were you ever stopped and asked for I.D.? you are so full of it I now know why your eyes are shut!!!!

          • J C

            Really stuck on the whole partisan thing aren’t you EWO.
            When will you sycophants realize its the both the red and blue against ALL of us?

          • eyeswideopen

            Jc, first you are against taking away our rights, then you downplay it when they are. Please make up your mind. Either they are taking them away, or they aren’t. That Act, allows them to monitor these internet web sites, which definately will affect some of you. Guess you don’t believe in privacy rights?

      • JeffH

        Ehh what’s up Doc? Don’t you care that a majotity of Americans don’t want THIS Health Care Bill? Yes, American’s want reform, just not Obama and the Dem’s kind of reform. Is it right to force the majority, possibly without even voting on it, to accept a government run health program the encompasses 1/6th of the economy? Is it fair to allow the government whose long history of managing any program is a horrid loss and waste of taxpayer dollars? Is it fair to force our democratic republic to embrace socialism, because that is what the Democratic Party and our Marxist President Obama want?
        Over 40% of doctors have said they will either quit or consider quitting their profession if the bill is passed into law. 27% of hospitals are going to file a lawsuit to be exempt from the legislation.
        What part of this not being good for America don’t you uderstand? If you are a socialist thinker, then I understand why you like it.
        To the victor go the spoils!

        • JeffH
          • JeffH

            45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul. Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.
            http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=506199

        • JeffH

          Reflecting growing opposition among states to the health care bill, Idaho Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter, a Republican, signed a measure Wednesday requiring the state attorney general to sue the federal government if residents are forced to buy health insurance. Similar legislation is pending in 37 other states.
          http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HEALTH_CARE_OVERHAUL?SITE=TXDAM&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=USHEADS.html&CTIME=2010-03-18-16-05-01

        • eyeswideopen

          JeffH, as someone who is enjoying a government run healthcare system, you should try and not be so hypocritical. When you stand up and declare that you want to cancel Medicare, then you have the right to complain, until then, you are just a hypocrite/RWA.

          • JeffH

            eyes with the size 15 EEEE, Kiss my redneck ask maggot. Take your beating like a man, cause you know it’s coming. I’m getting what I paid for, and I guess you got yours a few years back, huh? How do you like living alone with only your feebly decrepit mind to console you. How are your “Friends enjoying this site, and how are you enjoying George Soros’ destruction of America? You socialists try to fool us, but you never were a patriot!

          • eyeswideopen

            Jeff, they were really surprised at the vile hate. They also were surprised that the Koch family fronts all of your think tanks. Talk about the rich buying off the public. Koch Industries is more wealthy than Soros, you are so lucky that the John Birch Society is involved in your RWA movement.

          • eyeswideopen

            JeffH, did you take the test to see just how radical you are ? htp://politicalcompass.org/test

            Bet, you rank right up there with George Bush.

          • eyeswideopen
          • JeffH

            eyes with a size 15 EEEE shoved in your mouth. I don’t waste my time with any of that liberal trash, I already know who I am, and I pretty well know what you are, a liar #1, and a liberal hack #2 and 3 – 100 is the easiest of all, THE BIGGEST LOSER!

          • Meteorlady

            Heavy sigh – Medicare, while not right, was paid for by specific payroll taxes and was meant to sustain itself. Anyone currently on that program paid into it for years and there were may payroll tax increases to cover the cost over-runs. The people now collecting must carry supplemental insurance to make ends meet. That’s because many doctors and clinic are not taking new patients on these programs. They can no longer afford to and stay in business. Meanwhile the rest of us see our premiums rise because the cost of doctor care and clinics go up to support the low payments by government run health care plans and illegals sucking our system dry.

            Welcome to the New World Order!

    • Jerry Mobley

      Doc Sarvis;
      Unfortunely you fail to realize that all these so called fixes amount to bigger government and less individual freedoms. These aren’t fixes they are a movement promoted by (obama, reid, pelosi) to move America to a communist form of government. That may be your choice, but it certainly isn’t mine.

      • Doc Sarvis

        That is your perception but not mine at all. I think this is what is needed to fix problems in our country to make our Republic stronger.

        • eyeswideopen

          Doc, Do you know about the test called the RWA?( Right wing Authoritarianism). These people meet all the criteria of that defination. They exhibit cognitive errors and symptoms of faulty reasoning. They are more likely to make incorrect inferences from evidence and to hold contradictory ideas that result from compartmentalized thinking. They are also more likely to uncritically accept insufficient evidence that supports their beliefs, and they are less likely to acknowledge their own limitations. Generally they have conservative exonomic philosoply, are highly nationalistic, oppose abortion, support capital punishment, oppose gun control legislation, and do not value social equality. Authoritians generally are more favorable to punishment and control than personal freedoms and diversity. They are more willing to suspend constitutional guarantees of liberty, such as the Bill of Rights. They advocate strict, punitive sentences for criminals, and they obtain personal satisfaction from punishing people. They tend to be ethnocentric and prejudiced against racial and ethnic minorities and homosexuals. If you want to see how you score on the RWA test. You can go to
          http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
          I scored a -3.88 on the economic right and as a Social libertarian a -2.97 was very surprised. Test will give you insight into how you vote.
          Don’t let these people get you down, they can’t help that fact that they are closed down to logical arguements, just be thankful that not Americans all are RWA’s. LOL.

          • JeffH

            Gee, it looks like the Soros signature is all over that one, again!
            I think this is a better link:
            http://community.marketwatch.com/groups/us-politics/topics/shadow-party-running-democratic-party

          • JeffH

            eyes with the size 15 EEEE in your mouth…Now you are a Social Libertarian? You are lying again. You always said you are a Republican and blast some that are Libertarians, and now you claim to be one? You don’t even like Ron Paul. Is there anything you do like besides your regular dose of a “bully beat down”? Like Obama, once a liar, always a liar!

          • Claire

            Joe H–you have a good day too.

        • eyeswideopen

          Doc, oops forgot to give you the site giving defination of RWA.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Wing_Authoritarianism

          • Doc Sarvis

            Great, thanks EyesWideOpen.

          • Warrior

            Eyes,

            Visited this site and read thru the gobblygook. I now understand why you are the way you are. Yikes!

          • http://www.secondamendmentfoundation.com Dartanian

            Eyes Blinded by the Truth, but mouth still flappin away!

            Eyes, I sure hope you’re pretty, cuz you sure are lame.

          • JeffH

            eyeswideopen, I hope you have prepared yourself for the pummeling you have asked for and are about to endure.. Go swim a few laps around the Bermuda Triangle, you might come out invigorated, might!

          • http://wwwNRA.com Stephaan

            EYES WIDE SHUT, but mouth a flappin wildly:

            You certainly are a “legend in your own mind”

          • eyeswideopen

            Why are all of you ashamed of what you are? Aren’t you against all those things listed about the RWA’s? Yes you are. Just because it doesn’t look good when printed, doesn’t mean you should be denying that you are right wing authoritiarians. Live it, own it. define it. You are not alone. This is a saying from the 1800′s. John Stuart Mill stated “Although it’s not true that a conservatives are stupid, it is true stupid people are conservatives” It was true then as it is now.

          • Dylan

            Jeff H,
            The ignorant ones (like Eyes Sewed Shut) are not aware of the pummeling that they get because……… well…… they are too ignorant to recognize it.
            They just see it as attention that they so pathetically desire. It is much like the 3rd grader that acts up in class in order to get attention from the teacher. Doesn’t matter that it is the stern, corrective kind of attention, it is still attention.

          • JeffH

            Dylan, it is all about the attention, nothing more. Why else would someone continually ask for verbal abuse?

          • eyeswideopen

            JeffH, what you people give verbal abuse for someone not agreeing with your radical views??? Nice of you to admit that you are abusive. That was a surprise. I just prefer to call you a RWA!!

          • JeffH

            eyes with the size 15EEEE stuffed in your mouth. What we don’t like is your anti-american socialitic rhetoric.

          • U571

            Hey EYES…..
            What does “woof “woof” mean?
            Is it the same as “bow” “wow”?
            Why does everyone say that to you?
            Does it have to do with your pedigree?

            “woof” “woof”

          • JeffH

            U571, pedigree? That is her favorite meal. You have to be a purebred to have a pedigree, not a mutt!

          • U571

            Is she one one of those illegal chihuahuas? I hate those little ankel biters. Since she lives in Fla. she might be one of those mongrel cuban boat pups. I think they’re called “castratos”

          • Claire

            Good grief. I cannot believe what I am reading. If I continue to read much more I will become as hard as nails. I cannot believe the namecalling., I guess I should be thankful I am not being attacked. And don’t tell me “if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.” I can take the heat, who knows–I do have a bit of a temper.

          • Joe H.

            Dartanian,
            she looks just like her dogs, she raises pugs!!! thats why her neighbors say she’s pug ugly!!!

          • Claire

            After reading this stuff, all I can say is I am glad I do not have Pugs, although they are adorable. I have 8 dogs that are larger than a Pug. So at least I am not the center of this verbal abuse.

          • FYI

            Claire,

            Eyes Sewed Shut is only getting the verbal abuse that she so richly deserves ;-)

          • Claire

            FYI–I simply believe that we all have a right to our opinions whether we agree with each other or not. Eyes is not a lowlife and she shouldn’t be treated like one. She is a human being just like the rest of us. Don’t get me wrong, it is okay to disagree, but it is not okay to crucify someone just because they believe differently. We are all different and this is how it is. I am not perfect, and I imagine there are people out there that think I am goofy. However, I am what I am, and issues are what they are. Others say things that I don’t approve of and vice versa but I don’t freak out. At least, not yet. LOL — have a good day!

          • Claire

            And besides, eyes has lost a son and a husband to the wars. She has paid the ultimate price. This is always in the back of my mind. I would be devastated if I lost my son and husband. I would never be the same person that I am now, not that I am so great, but life would be almost meaningless. We can be so thankful for what we have, and I am not referring to material things. I refer to our family and loved ones.

          • FYI

            Claire;
            I guess what it comes down to with the Eyes Shut person, is this:
            * She never backs up her statements with facts,
            * Her “facts” are usually just her opinions, even though she states them as “facts”
            * When we call her on it, she either goes off on a tangent and tries to change the subject, or
            * Completely ignores our questions and posts.
            * Additionally she is the biggest hypocrite on this blog, and yet that is her no.#1 complaint about the conservatives (both on this blog, and in government)
            * For the conservatives on here, there finally comes a time when we get tired of hearing the IGNORANT POT, calling the kettle black, and since we can’t get rational answers from her, we just start playing “her game”
            * If you will look around at some of the different pages, you will see many posters that have asked, and/or answered her point by point on specific questions, statements/facts, and she has either just ignored them completely, (because she was caught in lies) OR she resorted to her 3rd grade antics, and began name calling, game playing, etc, and we’re just getting tired of it.
            We only have so much patience. Personally I have found it’s best to just ignore her most of the time, because I can see that she just wastes peoples time on here.

          • Anomyous

            Claire,
            I changed my name for this post because I don’t want you or anyone else to give me any sympathy like you do Eyes Wide Shut.
            Since late in 2004 I have lost 2 people to war, (my brother, and another long time friend of mine who I had known since I was 12 y.o.) In that same stretch I also lost my mother to cancer. It has been a miserable 5 years for me, but I don’t think that makes me deserving of any special treatment on here.
            There are a lot of disabled vets who post here that don’t ask for, or expect any special treatment. I know of one who types with a pencil stuck between his teeth because he has lost an arm, and has no use of the other hand/arm.
            I am sorry for the EyesShut lady for the loss she has suffered. I didn’t know about it until you posted it on here, however I don’t think she is more deserving of special treatment than anybody else on here, and I doubt I will give her any. If she’s going to post as she posts, then she has to accept the answers and bashing that she receives from time to time. It’s actually quite simple as I see it. If she can’t accept responsibility on here, as well as in society in general for what she does, then don’t say it, don’t do it, & don’t post it.

            a few of you will recognize me from my first paragraph. Please don’t call me by name, because I don’t want any sympathy from any of the bleeding hearted, liberal crybabies on here.

          • Claire

            Anonymous–Yes, I know who you are. Your point is well taken. I understand and respect your post. I have enough sense to know everyone goes through tough times. I have been through them too. I was only trying to be kind, and it offended instead.

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            when I first got on this site, I wasVERY polite to eyes. she then started insulting me without names and when I wouldn’t bite she started with names so now I return what I have been given!! One who can’t take it should not try to dish it out!!! In me there is no surrender or retreat!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH. my husband, came in and counted how many links I have entered on this site since I started back in Sept. The total 325. When I am disputing lies, or misconstrued facts, I always try to provide a link. Do you do the same? No. I don’t comment any worse than any of the rest of you…difference is that your group mentality can’t or won’t ever admit when someone corrects you or points out that you are mistaken. When, I pointed out that Michael J. was wrong, instead of him saying, yea you are right, he said, WELL…even so.. and started a different arguement. You people on this site to make your points, either quote the repub talking points without looking up the facts, or you just make up what sounds good. Soon as you read them, it is obvious the facts are wrong, and when called on it, you act like little kids. I admit when I screw up and apologize to those I was commenting too. I am far from perfect and make many mistakes. But I offer so many links, trying to find those that don’t offend most of you, and you still can’t accept that your emotions make you pissed off that you will never accept any information that proves your statements incorrect.

          • anonymous

            Claire,
            You certainly didn’t offend me, and I’m sure no one else here feels offended either. We know you have a soft heart, even for liberals and socialists, and we admire you for having that much patience with them.
            There were times when I first got here, that I too actually felt sorry for Eyes, because it seemed like people were unfairly bashing her, but as time went on I began to see the game she was playing, and when I made posts to her questioning her on things she said, she started “rattleing my cage” too, and tomorrow if I come back on here and post, she will give me more of the same. It just goes with the territory ;-)

            p.s. I finally found out how to spell anonymous lol…… I think…
            I know it’s a lot closer than what I wrote before….

          • Claire

            Anonymous—Okay. I read her latest post above and she said her husband counted her posts. I am not being unkind and it is certainly none of my business but did she remarry? I know what I read in another post on another site and she said she lost a husband and a son.
            On health reform–I was sure wrong on that one. I really did not believe it would pass. Fining people if they do not have insurance??!! How in the name of God can they buy insurance if they are out of a job? My husband says it would happen within 4 years. Well, things aren’t going to be any better in 4 years. Tighten up the belt. We are in for a rocky ride. It is upsetting. Now they better get to work on the illegals since they are all so fired up. Bet nothing gets done on that. Have a good day.

          • Meteorlady

            Wikipedia? Are you aware that I can actually go in and change something there? That’s your source? WOW so believable. As for your claim about 325 posts, didn’t you tell us that your husband and son died? WOW you need to get your lies straight and your information from a more reputable source.

            PS. You still haven’t answered me on Koch Indutries and Corporation. I’ waaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttiiiiiiiiinnnnng!

          • eyeswideopen

            Claire, yes, I married again. Ten years after the Gulf War. Married a wonderful man. I have been lucky twice in that arena.

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, what do you want to know about Koch Industries?

          • eyeswideopen

            meteorlady, how about this, http://www.alternet.org/story/146094/hightower%3A_two_righ-wing_billionaires_are_remaking_america_for_their_own_benefit

            You can reaserch Koch, if you were motivated, that’s what I did.

        • The Fading America

          I believe that you are a Doctor in your own mind, and an idiot to boot.

        • Jo

          Your argument for backing O and his criminal buddies is the equivalent of forcing someone to dring a cup of poison and then fixing it by forcing them to drink a gallon of poison to dilute the first cup.

    • Carol

      Doc,you need to wake up! Just because someone says they will fix something doesn’t mean that is what they are going to do. As a memeber of the healthcare team I can assure you they will destroy the healthcare we now have. From what I am able to see in the bills that have been repeatedly changed (except for core components that will destroy our healthcare)it is not a fix.
      They don’t care about fixing healthcare…they just want control of it. Do you get that? Are you so easily manipulated that you can’t see they are contradicting themselves over and over?
      One third of the doctors (and I’m sure many of the nurses out there of which I am one) will LEAVE the healthcare system.
      Who will you have taking care of you?
      I pray you will seriously look at the double language this administration is speaking.
      You are being conned!!! Wake up! I don’t care if you want to flush your life down the drain….but don’t take me with you!

      • s c

        Carol, don’t fret over the Bobsey Twins. Between the two of them, they don’t know how to boil water, let alone use what little they ever had between their ears.
        Frankly, I’m more concerned about a psychiatric evaluation of their false god (Obummer). Like all ‘good’ ultraliberal progressives, they’ll go to their graves believing there’s no difference between a Hitler and an Einstein or a Stalin and a Mother Theresa. Let them figure it out.
        See them for who they are – just like the consummate losers they worship in the White House.

      • The Fading America

        There is a need for more people like you.

      • Doc Sarvis

        I agree with my brother who is a doctor as well, that this health care plan will be better for the American citizens AND many more will be covered – without the threat of getting kicked off their plan.

        • Ellen

          I have read through so many of these comments! Still “Doc” thinks he is a super-natural being! Well I agree with the one note, there is a WARM, Hot place, waiting for dummies like you. Hope you know how to pitch coal!

          • Joe H.

            Ellen,
            I still think doc thinks he’s a head shrink when in reality he’s one of the patients!!!!

        • JeffH

          Doc Sarvis, I see by that statement that lunacy runs in your family blood!

          • Doc Sarvis

            America runs through my family’s blood and we are proud to be Americans.

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Doc Soros;
            America doesn’t run through your blood like you say, or you wouldn’t be a liberal socialist progressive. You would be politically conservative, and working to get America back to what we used to be when we were FREE !!

          • eyeswideopen

            Stephaan, do you not get it, that this country is strong because we have two parties represented? If it was only one party, we would not have the freedoms our founding fathers set up for us. Look at history and you will see that this country swings like a pendulum from one party to another. That balance keeps us from becoming a Totalitarian government which conservatives want.

          • JeffH

            Ehhh Doc, traitorous American at that!

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            EYES BLINDED BY THE LIBERAL SOCIALISTS;
            So according to you we should have a party that drags this country towards socialism, and another that drags us back towards freedom.
            CANT YOU SEE that this is all counter-productive? It does nothing but waste time, and congress does enough of that now.
            Putin admitted that socialism doesn’t work!
            DO YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE SMARTER THAN VLADIMIR PUTIN??
            In your hopes and dreams fantasy world, you probably do, but consider for a minute that Putin was the leader of the largest socialist block of countries in the world, and you might want to reconsider your intelligence, or lack of it. Try and read his speech
            …………………………………………………………………………………………
            Vladimir Putin
            Excessive intervention in economic activity and blind faith in the state’s omnipotence is another mistake.

            True, the state’s increased role in times of crisis is a natural reaction to market setbacks. Instead of streamlining market mechanisms, some are tempted to expand state economic intervention to the greatest possible extent.

            The concentration of surplus assets in the hands of the state is a negative aspect of anti-crisis measures in virtually every nation.

            In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state’s role absolute. In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This lesson cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.

            Nor should we turn a blind eye to the fact that the spirit of free enterprise, including the principle of personal responsibility of businesspeople, investors and shareholders for their decisions, is being eroded in the last few months. There is no reason to believe that we can achieve better results by shifting responsibility onto the state.

            Vladimir Putin
            From his address to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland 1-28-2009

        • J C

          You must not be very good Doctors if you need Obamacare to gaurantee you an income.

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            LOL ;-)

          • Doc Sarvis

            And who said I needed Obamacare for my income? I make the case for health care reform for the “average Joe” who is spending more and more for insurance that he/she may get kicked off of at any time.

    • LocalYokel

      More change in the wrong direction Doc? The Federal Reserve Board only has five politically appointed members with the bank appointed members set at a majority of seven by design. It has been stacked against you since it’s inception. Wise up Doc. Ron Paul knows the cure.

    • The Fading America

      Nothing positive has ever come out of accepting a ton of bad in hopes of getting a pound of good__Just look at uncontroled Imigration and possible over_all AmiNASTY__Do not delude yourself into thinking that our leaders give a Damm about other’s previous poor living standards and lack of freedom, It is about CHEAP LABOR and reducing the living standards of the average American, More specfic, The Middle Class__It is not to far fetched to say, that in the near future our leaders will dedicate an entire Month to acknowlege “White History”__The latter dose not in anyway intend to promote Racism or Hatred toward our fellow man, It is simply the way it is and a reality to give thought to, As should the future and real negative consequences of this so called Health Bill __Any one who thinks that our leaders give a Damm about giving the poor and underprivileged a Step Up in Status and Self-Empowerment are looking thru Rose Colored Glasses__It is known that the biggest concern for People in Power is how to keep the poor and underprivileged “Status Quo” while bringing down the rest into compliance without a serious threat to the Leadership__Of all the Legislative bills that have ever been introduced,This Health Care Bill goes further than any previous legislation toward goverment controlling our lives__A person need only go as far as to consider how much Power and Say so a person would have over you and that of your family if that person were to have Controll over your Health and Access to the Health Procedures needed, and, A One Size Fits All Guideline defining what or what not the Doctors (Govt. Provided Interns/Nurses)Can Diagnose?__There are no quick fixes regarding the decline of people power over our Elected Officials BUT ONE__THAT IS__ OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS to start doing the right thing and to wake up to the fact that we do have a CONSTITUTION (in plain english)THAT DEFINES THEIR DUTIES,THEIR OBLIGATIONS AND THEIR SWORN DUTY TO UPHOLD
      THAT CONSTITUTION__Our leaders keep justifying all of their transgressions in the name of DEMOCRACY__IT IS WRITTEN THAT THIS COUNTRY WAS SET UP AS A REPUBLIC__THE WORD DEMOCRACY CANNOT BE FOUND ANY WHERE IN THE ‘CONSTITUTION nor THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE__THE WORDS OF BEN FRANKLIN, WHEN ASKED WHAT DID THEY GIVE US__HE RESPONDED WITH “WE HAVE GIVEN YOU A REPUBLIC”__THEN ADDED “IF YOU CAN KEEP IT”__It appears that we cannot, You see, A REPUBLIC IS__FREE TRADE, OPEN MARKETS,PEOPLE KEEPING WHAT THEY EARN,AND ABOVE ALL__A LIMITED GOVERMENT ANSWERING ONLY TO THE PEOPLE THAT ELECT THEM WITH CONSIDERATIONS TO OTHERS__THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT I FIND MOST IMPORTANT IS, ‘TO REGULATE AND GOVERN THOSE ENTINIES/MONOPOLIES THAT TRANCENDS BASIC FREE MARKET PRINCIPLES AND BECOME PREDITORS THAT FEED OFF THE PEOPLE AND EVENTUALLY (IN BACK ROOMS) BECOME THE GOVERNMENT THEMSELVES BY WAY OF GIVING OUR LEADERS GIFTS & MONEY (LOBBYISTS)__BASICALLY GIVING OUR LEADERS A MORE PROMISING AND REWARDING PRESENT AND FUTURE LIFE FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES BY WORKING FOR THEM INSTEAD OF US TAXPAYERS WHOM TRUSTED THEM ENOUGH TO VOTE THEM INTO THEIR POSITION OF POWER__AFTER ALL, WORKING FOR US TAXPAYERS PROVIDES THEM WITH ONLY THE FOLLOWING__A GOOD $ALARY,3 OR 4 STAFFER’S (ON A DAILY BASIS) TO KISS THEIR BEHINDS AND TELL THEM HOW GREAT THEY ARE,JOB BENEFITS THAT WE WORKING TAXPAYERS CAN ONLY DREAM ABOUT, THAT BY THE WAY, CONTINUE FOR A LIFE TIME SHOULD THEY LOOSE THEIR POSITION OF POWER__IN THE MIND OF A PERSON DRUGGED BY POWER__WHAT WE TAX PAYERS HAVE TO OFFER THEM FOR WORKING FOR US IS MINAMAL COMPARED TO WHAT THE REAL POWER PLAYERS HAVE TO OFFER, LEADERS SIMPLY STOP BEING TRUE TO THEIR SWORN OATH AND GIVE IN TO THE TEMPTATION AND THEIR OWN PERSON AGENDA__TRUST ME, AFTER THE SELL OUT THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM LOOKING IN THE MIRROR NOR SLEEPING__Given the moral state of our leaders and their obvious contempt for our basic liberties what makes one think that this HEALTH CARE BILL IS FOR THE BETTER GOOD__I SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS, A GIANT LEAP TOWARD TOTAL CONTROLL OF OUR LIVES __This Health Bill is so Corrupt and Dirty that it should make anyone assoicated with it to suddenly have the desire to take a nice clean bath__Personaly, I see only one way to get our leaders to begin the process to stop their sliding down that slope toward domination of our lives and to uphold their sworn duty and realize just whom gave them their position of power__STOP THIS (POWER GRAB)HEALTH BILL__It just may be what it will take on getting us back to THE REPUBLIC THAT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS GAVE TO US.

      The fading American

    • The Fading America

      Doc, I don’t know how old you are,but seriously,I’m of the belief that you are not quite old enough to have gotten in touch with reality and what this adminstration has in store for the rest of, and yes, YOU.

      • Joe H.

        Fading American,
        Or he’s so old that senility is setting in!!!!

    • independant thinker

      “Fixing the finacial ship and healthcare are very big and complex issues that this administration has had the guts to address”

      This much is true but the smoke and mirrors this administration and democrat controlled congress are using to justify it are a bunch of chicken caca. Also the things they propose to fix problems are totaly out of left field and unworkable.

      They are paying for a part of their “reforms” by stealing from medicare which we have paid for to finance the ponzi scemes. At some point this will have to be repaid and at a much higher cost than leaving the money there. They are also charging for ten years but only giving us 6 years of supposed improvements.

  • http://honeypapa@gmail.com philip hilliker

    Obama socialist form of goverment along with Polsie and Reid is a step to tyranny in our country with the likes of doc’s view for our country. Doc take your friendes and move to another country let the American Consitution of the United States RING LOUAD and CLRAR

  • Willie B

    Doc, stick it up you know where!

    • Doc Sarvis

      Willie B., I can see you really thought long and hard on this response.

  • Frank

    Doc is a planted Schill so the “watch dog” govt can see out reactions…

    • eyeswideopen

      Frank, you are right, there are people who study these types of sites. You should be very afraid as they very thing you rail against is taking our country down a path where is is only acceptable to have one party and one religion. When you accept everything on a party platform and are in total agreement with it, you have stepped in the direction of totalitarianism. Ask yourself it you are in total agreement with your spouse on every issue, and then think about how you can be in agreement with your political party on every issue. Break out of the RWA thought process.

      • Joe H.

        eyesbargainedshut,
        you are right, I don’t always agree with my wife and I don’t always agree with my party. I never agree with anything that Obummer is trying to pass!!!!!! He is wrong in all aspects and you are too blinded by hate of the republicans to see it!!! Think back to what made you vote for a republican in the first place and tell me that Obummer represents those values. i don’t believe you can without lieing to me and more importantly yourself!!!

      • Pat R

        You are 100% correct about these forums and chat rooms being monitored by the Govt. Be very careful what we post- esp. any personal info. Be careful, they have already arrested a few people that were posting online!

    • Doc Sarvis

      I think planted Schills get paid. So I aint one of them.

      • Joe H.

        Oh, a voulentary traitor, huh?

        • JeffH

          He was told that it would be good for America if he volunteered as a traitor. Yeh, Doc believes anything he hears or is told.

          • Doc Sarvis

            You have told me a lot that I do not believe, and never will. I am posting on this site because I love America, I am proud to be an American, and I have thought about issues regarding how America becomes greater.

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Doc Soros;
            All your thoughts you post here are NOT about making a greater America, but instead, are about making America a “greater SOCIALIST society”.
            That is not the kind of America the rest of us want, and there is NOTHING you can say to us that will ever change our minds.

            You’re up against an immovable object here doc, & no amount of wheedling, lying, complaining, or crying is going to sway us, so you might as well just save your breath. You’re going to need it when Obama runs over you with his “friendly” socialist bus.

          • eyeswideopen

            Stepfang, considering that most of the civilized countries in the world have some sort of socialist programs for their people, maybe you ought to consider that the whole world can’t be wrong, in trying to make sure their people don’t die at the rate of 45,000 per year. What is funny is that those dying, are the working poor in this country. People who have jobs.

          • Joe H.

            eyestaxedshut,
            Yes and since most of those countries have a tax rate of somewhere around 52%, we’ll let you willingly be the first to pay that rate!!!!
            Then we’ll let you go to france where they work a 32 hr week and no more. So if you are a little short for food too bad, you can’t work overtime!!
            Then if you don’t like that we’ll let you go to england where they have a practice called stacking. This iis where they make you wait in the ambulance untill they are ready to treat you so they can say their wait times in the ER is “short”!!! r if you are an elderly and get sick, they will give you pain meds that mask any improvement so you will DIE in the hospital!!!! This practice was exposed by three nurses that worked in these wards and could remain quiet no longer. These were not disgruntled fired workers either. They WERE fired after the expose!!!!

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Joe;
            About a year ago I saw a program on msnbc that Frances tax rate is 70%
            I think we should sent the woofer there for about 10 years, and maybe she’d change her tune.
            I figured since msn was admitting it, that it was probably accurate, cuz it sure didn’t further their socialist agenda.

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Eyes Blinded by Socialism, mouth should be wired shut!

            So according to YOU, since a lot of other countries in the world are Socialist, then WE should be too. I can’t begin to tell you how many ways that kind of thinking is so damn ignorant!
            There are times that you seem “somewhat” rational and even quite intelligent on here, BUT that’s some of the most ignorant thinking you have ever exhibited on this blog.
            If you see other people jump off a cliff, are you stupid enough to do the same?
            Like I said above, even PUTIN ADMITTED SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK!
            Read his speech that I posted for you. Read it word for word. There is no ambiguity in his words. It is clear and concise. If he can come out and admit it, how can you think you know better?

          • eyeswideopen

            Stephaan, I am for reform, Why is ok, with you people that someone like Dick Armey, who was employeed by University of North Texas, has healthcare paid by the taxpayers in that state,for 13 years, went to Congress, we then paid for 75% of his healthcare and when he turned 65 he sued to keep his government healthcare from Congress, instead of going into another government healthcare system (medicare). Key words here government healthcare. Yet you allow him to try and deny the rest of the american people fair healthcare? All of those who have had state, county or federal healthcare, are hypocrites when they try and deny others the same benefits they have enjoyed.

    • J C

      Very Likely.
      Or perhaps he’s just a Proctologist with a depth perception problem and needs Obamacare to force people into his clinic. :)

      • Joe H.

        JC,
        you are probably right about Doc being a proctologist. He’s had his head up his anal pore for so long he’s well versed at what it looks like!!!1

  • http://personalliberty harold

    barb said it right….. Do not give the federal reserve ANY more power,They RUN everything NOW. They want Total control over ALL the people.SEE who runs it.

  • Gerry

    Well Doc and anybody else that believes the bull that this admin. is dishing out should remember this country was founded for its fredom for the people, NOT SOCAILISUM. If you don’t love the USA and ist fredom,LEAVE IT! I haven’t seen people tring to break out of this country, but a hell of alot of them are coming in. People that live in countries with med. programs like the propose one are coming here for medical BECAUSE THEY CANN’t get the med care in there countries. HELOW, wake up!

    • Doc Sarvis

      America is not a Socialist country, it has some socaial programs as all countries do.
      So I wonder why Rush Limbaugh wants to go to Costa Rica for their government run health care?

      • The Fading America

        I specificaly heard RUSH say that he would follow our Physicians to Costa Rica, Physicans that at this time and in the future that will go there if this HEALTH BILL passes__It will be cheaper__I Myself plan on doing the same thing if treatment for serious ailments is cheaper elsewhere due to our newly socialized health care, WHO WOULDN’T?

        • Doc Sarvis

          So you and Rush like the idea of a government run health care plan, as they have in Costa Rica?

          • eyeswideopen

            Doc, of the 27 Industrialized countries in the world, we are the only one without some kind of socialized/universal healthcare. http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/List_of_Industrialized_Countries
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

            Most of these countries started their medical systems in the 70′s and 80′s and they patterned it after our Medicare system, only they were expansive and didn’t limit it to a certain age. We are only about 25 years behind all the rest.

            I still want just one of the conservs or repubs to tell me why they never tried to reform it when they had the power to do so????

          • Joe H.

            eyesbullcrappedshut,
            What about that plan yo0u are always bit.hing about Medicare?? and what about medicaid???

        • eyeswideopen

          Fading, maybe you should listen to his video, prior to making those statements. http://www.youtube.com/Watch?v=hNQn3aBKtlo

          Why do you try to fix his statements? He really would have no where to go, except to a country that has healthcare, as everyone has it but the undeveloped countries and us. Maybe he should go to Somolia instead. lol that would be justice.

          • Joe H.

            eyesdumbedshut,
            that’s a very good one the underdeveloped countries and us don’t have health care???? We have some of the best health care in the world!!! They might even be able to cure your stupidity!!!! people come here from all over the globe to find help with their ailments. why here if our health care is so bad???? Nah, I take it back, they couldn’t cure you, you’re too far gone!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, yes the rich come here for care…..get it? The rich, who don’t have to use their healthcare insurance. How stupid can you be?? If is was affordable we wouldn’t have this situation. Soon, as you get high blood pressure or prostrate problems, you would have been canceled too, then you would be screaming about the injustice of it all…. hypocritical don’t you think?

          • eyeswideopen

            Joeh. what was your score on the test?? Or were you too afraid to take it? lol.

          • JeffH

            eyes with the size 15EEEE shoved in your mouth, you get a score of 1, which is perfect, on our anti-American traitor test. We only needed one finger to score you.

          • Joe H.

            eyestestedshut,
            I could care what your stupid test says! If it is 1/4 as dumb as you it is a braindead liberal shill piece!!! Why don’t you take the test on Glenn Becks site? I know the answer to that already. you hate anything conservative. At least I never lied and said I WAS a liberal but now I’m a repub!!! YOU NEVER WERE A REPUB LADY!!!!! YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A LIBERAL SHILL AND ALWAYS WILL BE!!!! Scuzz is scuzz and you are liberal scuzz!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            JEFF, so you scored right up there with Hitler? Too funny.

          • JeffH

            ????Hitler???Say it again Sam!!!

      • J C

        You’re ability to rationalize away our freedoms is the most sickening trait of most Dems and a few Repubs. You people are disgusting and there is no way you should be calling yourselves Americans. You have no idea what it means….

        • eyeswideopen

          JC, then fight to repeal the Patriot Act, and stop accusing others of not caring.

          • JeffH

            Geee eyes with the size 15 EEEE shoved in your mouth…Who here has ever supported the Patriot Act? None that I’ve ever seen! Now your president just re-upped it with Congress’ blessings and your previous president signed it with the blessings of Democrats and Republicans in Congress. So what is your point other than the fingers pointed sharply in your blind eyes.

      • Maddy

        I am a doctor and I am practicing part of the time out of Mexico because I am free to make money there. I will probably quit practicing entirely in the US depending on what the health care bill actually includes. I may even more out of the country and head for Costa Rica or Panama if Cap & Trade and Amnesty get passed.

  • http://naver Brady

    Sorry Doc, but out of all our founding principles you should remember these 3. If you do, you’ll know why they are UNCONSTITUTIONAL”
    1. Self reliance. Rely on yourself and not the government.
    2. Personal responsibility. You are responsible for your own healthcare and ability to pay. I guess this means getting rid of the self destructive welfare state and getting them back to work.
    3. The vigilance to ensure that government remains our servants and not our masters. The president should remember who pays his salary, don’t you think?

    There are many more, but it would take too long to explain them to you. Even from a historian like me. You even sound like you haven’t earned the right to be called an American.

    • The Fading America

      Right on, thank you.

    • eyeswideopen

      Brady, I say kill Medicare, but you hypocrites scream like babies, when anyone wants to take away your socialized healthcare. Hypocrites!!!

      • zack

        hands a clapping ooppss I sh-t my pants laughing so hard–excuse me for a few mins.

        • J C

          What’s in the magic bong today?

        • Joe H.

          Two years old and still need to change your diapers, Zack????

          • zack

            Joe H yea man, this eyeswideopen is hilarius. She is always hands a clapping and lmao. He/She jumps from one thing to another

          • eyeswideopen

            Zack, just following you people who blame everything wrong on everyone else, but yourselves. Who do you think put the repubs in office, the dems?? Your elected officials have taken this country to the edge and pushed it to the limit. It is quite apparent that you all hate the middle class, which is odd, as most state they are middle class. You are ok, with most of the tax burden being on the middle class, you are ok, with taking away our privacy, you are ok with corporations getting subsidies, you are ok with 45,000 people dying every year, if you weren’t ok with these things, you would have stood up and done something about it. Can you give an explaination as to why billion dollar corporations get subsidies?

          • JeffH

            Joe H., I think zack is mocking someone here, and it’s not you.

          • Joe H.

            Zack my man I appologize I thought you were in SUPPORT of goofyeyes!!! You are the king of satire and I bow to you!!!

      • J C

        Very small minded. Eyes wide open? Sure, like a deer in the headlights.

        • Joe H.

          JC,
          the storyline says that they are going after companies that FINANCIALLY THREATEN THE U.S.. Does that mean they are going after Soreass???? he threatens the financial sector of the U.S.

          • Meteorlady

            Crap no they won’t go after Soros. He’s the money man and puppet master for Obama and a lot of the liberal Democrats. Soros is always safe and invests his money against the dollar, against growth in this country. That’s how he makes his money, creating a cause and then betting against it.

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, Soros, is a poor man compared to your Koch brothers. Maybe you should do a little research into the John Birch Society founding family.

    • eyeswideopen

      Brady, historian, where were you during the Bush regime? How could you have allowed the Medicare Advantage Act to pass without funding? What happened that you let the Patriot Act pass? Why was the deficit so high then? Where was immigration legislation? Brady, you were asleep on the job. Did you help create the banner of “Mission Accomplished” that was hung on our ship, how many years ago? We are still in Iraq aren’t we? Yes, Brady you did an awlful job, but don’t worry, your friends are trying to rewrite history.

      • JeffH

        eyes size 15 EEEE in you mouth..you friends are trying to rewrite history too.

        *promoting the view that America is institutionally an oppressive nation
        * promoting the election of leftist political candidates throughout the United States
        * opposing virtually all post-9/11 national security measures enacted by U.S. government, particularly the Patriot Act
        * depicting American military actions as unjust, unwarranted, and immoral
        * promoting open borders, mass immigration, and a watering down of current immigration laws
        * promoting a dramatic expansion of social welfare programs funded by ever-escalating taxes
        * promoting social welfare benefits and amnesty for illegal aliens
        * defending the civil rights and liberties of suspected anti-American terrorists and their abettors
        * financing the recruitment and training of future activist leaders of the political Left
        * advocating America’s unilateral disarmament and/or a steep reduction in its military spending
        * opposing the death penalty in all circumstances
        * promoting socialized medicine in the United States
        * promoting the tenets of radical environmentalism, whose ultimate goal, as writer Michael Berliner has explained, is “not clean air and clean water, [but] rather … the demolition of technological/industrial civilization”
        * bringing American foreign policy under the control of the United Nations
        * promoting racial and ethnic preferences in academia and the business world alike
        * promoting taxpayer-funded abortion-on-demand
        * advocating stricter gun-control measures
        * advocating the legalization of marijuana

      • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

        Eyes Blinded by Truth,
        but NEVER without blather comin outta her pie hole;

        According to your post, you are trying to blame Brady for everything that occured during the Bush administration, like he single handedly caused it all????? That is laughable!! Get a grip, and stop being so ignorant. The only reason you are “trying” to blame Brady is because you CAN’T address the points he made in his post.

        Where is this test you keep crying about all of us taking? I’ll take it you worthless little wench! I am proud of who I am and I might even score higher than Bush. I might even score higher than Limbaugh and Ron Paul! SO WHAT!! I took the Libertarian test and my score was up at the top pinnacle of the Libertarian point!! SO WHAT?? I already know where I stand politically, and WE ALL KNOW WHERE YOU STAND TOO! YOU STAND with all the milk toast whiney liberals biatches, and the “girly men!
        Give me the link, I’ll take the test right now, IF YOU’LL JUST QUIT YOUR SNIVELLIN!!!!

      • eyeswideopen

        Stepfang, don’t be ridiculous, everyone who did nothing, is responsible. You can band together to complain,about others, but not to critize your own. Hypocrites. After the midnight vote in 2003, which passed Medicare Advantage, and wasn’t funded, I then decided that the repubs were just as bad as the dems, except they used the authoritarian attitude to further their policies better than the dems. So, now we have two unnecessary wars, medicare advantage unfunded, and corporations running wild dictating how miserable our lives will be.

        • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

          Eyes with a pie hole

          You’re the one that’s being ridiculous. Try addressing Bradys post. There’s no love lost between most of us and Bush, and if you ever read our posts you would know that, BUT re-read your post. You’re blaming Brady for what Bush did.

          • eyeswideopen

            Which Brady post?

      • Joe H.

        eyeslackingshut,
        And where were your liberal progressive shills including your herobummer when it was passed??? how many voted to pass it??? did you write them disparaging letters?? Of course not!!! you just want to BIT.H now!!!

        • eyeswideopen

          Joe, my representative Ginny Brown Waite, got so many letters from me that at twenty she decided to quite responding. Yes, I did everything I could, even contacting the Dem Senator for this state. The repubs didn’t care what any of us thought about how they were handling the debt, or the war. I have a folder that I will share with you, if you like. People I contacted acted much like those on this site. They were right and the people were wrong.

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            2 EYES Glued Shut, a nose & a pie hole

            So you’re saying that your rep acted exactly like Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and all the rest of the liberal socialists in congress. They don’t care that the majority don’t want this health care bill, because WE ARE WRONG AND THEY KNOW WHATS BEST FOR US!! hmmm, so much for the point you made about the repubs midnite vote in ’03 (unfunded medicare)
            Now Obama is holding a Sunday vote, and we will have unfunded Obama care. Why don’t you see that this is the same thing that you are complaining about?

            According to you: NOT GOOD WHEN THE REPUBS DO IT, BUT OK WHEN THE LIBERALS DO IT.
            WHO’S THE HYPOCRITE EYES?? Looks like it’s YOU!!

  • Frank

    So Back to the original topic…Bottom line is the FED needs to go, or be nationalized returning the monetary policies to the people and an honest money system.

  • http://gmail Raindancer

    Doc’s comments are the usual dem socalist assine blather. He must be a raised as a welfare rat or never has worked in the real world. He seems to enjoy letting idoits like Dodd and Rangel, get away not paying taxes but hopefully he picks up their share of taxes. I think there is going be have a season on dems, if you take out or desposed one or three is legal, six you get a free meal. Dems are just like praire dogs, worthless and always cause damage, any where they go, but are great for target practice!!!! Also they are in the same intellectual smarts area and like to live in towns or over crowded groups.

    • s c

      Raindancer, under the present circumstances, I thought you were very polite. There are times when certain words (expletives) sound more appropriate and covey a message better. It’s not easy to be polite when you’re dealing with skunks and assorted lower life forms – especially when their main concern is in destroying America so it will be (somehow) ‘better.’

    • Doc Sarvis

      Raindancer,
      Actually I am an Independent, have never been on welfare (nor have my parents or siblings), and have worked for the same company for over 26 years. I believe all who owe taxes should pay them or be prosicuted. Lastly, Independents like me and, as far as I know Democrats are not rodents. I am, however, a proud American.

      • Warrior

        Doc,

        So what did you think when the tax cheats were appointed to public office? A little outraged maybe?

      • Joe H.

        Doc,
        “I am independent” from a lib means Daddy and Mommy left them an inheritance!!!!!

        • Doc Sarvis

          If you are referring to me I can tell you honestly that I never got an inheritance and never expect to get one. I’m living modestly, with truth, justice, and pride in America; the same way I make posts to this site.

          • Joe H.

            Doc,
            sure you convinced ME!!!! wink,wink!!!!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Joe H, I see that the more honestly I answer questions And the better my arguments/points are the more you increase the personal attacks as well as the number exclamation points you use. It is quite evident.

      • J C

        Sad sad conflicted man. Advocates taxation and a standing army of tax collectors…and calls himslf an American. Sorry pal, but you are a monarchist /socialist / communist…pick one. But an American you most certainly are not.
        Americans like you would have us all living as property of the King.

  • Frank

    If Doc read the article I credit him with the willingness to at least read another point of view.

  • http://att.net Deborah

    Washington said, “Government is force,and in the wrong hands will be a terrible force.” The O’bama administration is not concerned for the peoples healthcare. This is about changing our republic form of government into a socialist democracy. Were where our ancestors were when England controlled the colonies. It’s sad, but, were going to have to take a stand against this tyranny. Hopefully, will be able to do it through the ballot box; though, I feel, it unlikely. The politicians are all corrupt. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    • Joe H.

      Deborah,
      Very well said lady!!! Just what needed to be said!!!

    • eyeswideopen

      Deborah, omg, you have adopted DaveH, mantra of government is force. Oops, that’s right all you radicals do speak from the same talking points book. Sorry, I almost forgot.

      • DaveH

        Government is force, EyesWideShut! Do you think the laws they pass are voluntary? Of course it works well for the average Government worker who makes $70,000 a year. I mean why should they care if the people in the private sector who pay their wages have to suffer?
        Throughout the history of the world man has willingly enslaved other men. And the Liberals are no exception here.
        It’s funny that Liberals are so focused on having the Government fix everything. I have been here for 60 years and can not even remember when a business has taken advantage of me. But I can remember lots of times when the Government has taken advantage of me.
        Not to worry, eventually this country will become a third-world country, as both major parties just keep on growing Government ever-larger. We are near critical mass now where there will be more people sucking on the Government Teet than not. At that point, it will be impossible to turn around until the country has completely collapsed.
        What a shame that Ignorant Greedy Liberals are too focused on that trough to see the bleak future that they are heading us towards.

        • Joe H.

          DaveH,
          With her attitude I can only hope that hers and her family are the next ones to have their job taken by an illegal!!!!!

        • eyeswideopen

          Dave, we have been through this before, Your Cato, guy admitted that the numbers are skewed as 26% are scientists who are paid more than the private sector as we need them for our military programs. We wouldn’t have this debt, if financially responsible republicans didn’t pass unfunded programs, or give billions in subsidies to corporations,while at the same time allowing Wall Steet to run wild, without enforcing the regulations. Those same corporations, only 1/3 pay taxes. If this country stopped caving into the repubs and their crony capitalist corporations, along with the wealthy tax evaders, the middle class wouldn’t have to bear the brunt of the financial costs. You are an Authoritanian, who is seeking Anarchy for this country. How did that free market work for Argentina?? Failed terribly. You have to have regulations to prevent abuse, such as what we just experienced with Wall Street. A totally free market will cave in on itself, history shows that. But I seriously hope the Libertarians run a bunch of canidates, it will be good for the country.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave You do know that a handful of high or low numbers in a data set will alter the output of any average don’t you? You are college educated aren’t you? 80% of federal workers are degreed, while it is roughly only 30% in private sector. Your buddy also included Air Traffic Controllers who are high paid, but with no comparable in private sector. He also didn’t take into account the 26% of scientist that we pay well to work for gover. His revised info show the average military salary of 113k, which is skewing that total, by combining military executives with the grunts. If it was a fair comparison, he would have compared fed accountant to private, fed clerical to private, fed lawyers to private, fed executives to private. Apples to apples would have been nice, however that wasn’t his goal, it is to incite just like you are doing. But guess what, some on this site are too smart to be conned by you, even though they don’t have the nerve to stand up to you, they know what you are doing.

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            EYES SEWED SHUT WITH PIE HOLE SPEWING FORTH

            There you go again, bellyaching about unfunded government programs.
            HOW do you see this Obama care as anything but UNFUNDED?

            Why is it o k when YOUR liberal socialists pass UNFUNDED programs, but you squeal like a pig when the repubs do it?

            You’re the biggest hypocrite on here, yet that’s what you always accuse us of.

      • J C

        Why would Deer in the Headlights be aware of government force?
        I’m sure she’s been a compliant sheep all of her dull domesticated life. So she’s a good girl and the government would want only to pat her on the head.
        For other’s though, who want to say…start a business, government is right there to be your partner in every aspect of your life. Don’t like it? They’ll take evertything you own…by force.

        • eyeswideopen

          Jc, nay;, I was a good little republican sheep until 2003. Then I decided that the right wing authoritanian idealogy wasn’t for me. However, I didn’t change my party afiliation until last year. I so wanted the repubs to fix what they had screwed up, but the only thing that happened was their lips moved in the same way every time they said NO!!!!!!!!!!!!. Independent is where I am, and you all can spin your wheels for the rest of your lives, as I personally don’t want to belong to such a hateful group anyway.

          • JeffH

            Make up your mind 15 EEEE stuffed mouth. Is it Social Libertatrian, Republican or Independent, because you have owned up to all three of them! Or are you lying again?

          • eyeswideopen

            JeffH. you can’t read. Or your mind is totally gone.

          • Joe H.

            eyeslyingshut< BullShat!!!!!!! you were never a repub!!! you were always a liberal shill!!!!

          • Meteorlady

            Gads Eyes – your have you no shame? You continually twist the truth and expect us to take you seriously.

      • Joe H.

        eyesforcedshut,
        Stop paying your taxes and see if government isn’t force!!!!

      • Meteorlady

        Eyes – just for laughs and giggles – go study Argentina and Venezuela and come back and tell me why they are no different than what’s going on right now, right here in this country? Do you honestly believe that this will not happen here? Do you honestly believe that 50% of the people can keep supporting the other 50% – if so tell me how. I do know that you have yet to answer anything asked, but try this one just for fun. Tell me the difference between those two countries and the path the government in this country is now on.

        • eyeswideopen

          Meteorlady, did you not understand that they tried the Libertarian idea of no market controls???? You need to study it. A totally free market with no regulations is exactly why they desended into hell. Don’t you remember what we just went through here with our Wall Street companies not adhereing to the regulations that were in place? Greed will kill any economy if it is not regulated to prevent abuse. But hey, if you want anarchy vote for it.

          • Maddy

            I just got to this site – but you are crazy – real crazy. Those countries were second only to the US’s economy and the headed down the path of more and more government control. So where is the Libertarian in all of that? You really didn’t answer Meteorlady’s questions though.

    • JeffH

      Far better to adopt that than adopt the liberals mantra of forced government…

      • J C

        Yes we can yes we can yes we can….zeig heil zeig heil…
        Mindless morons one an all eh, Jeff?

        • JeffH

          Some things weren’t meant for change.

          • Claire

            Jeff H–If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

      • eyeswideopen

        “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summonded men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a suffer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the broad of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion, I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that grows daily. For as a Christian I also have a duty to my own people.” ADOLF HILTER speech April 4, 1922 Norman H. Baynes Speeches of Adolf Hilter april 1922- Aug 1939 Vol 1of2 pp 19-20 Oxford University Press 1942.

        Evil,does use Christianity to advance idealogy.

        • zack

          Eyes 1922, Damn that makes you almost 90 years old–You are to old to clap LMAO uh uh I did it again.sh-t my pants—Honey hand me another Depends–extra large please–

          • Claire

            zack–what an awful thing to say. Hey, you may have to wear Depends one of these days. A person does not stay young forever, you know. Your time is coming if you live long enough.

    • Meteorlady

      You go girl. Thanks

      • zack

        Whoa now girls, you all know eyes gets excited with hands clapping LMAO, lol feet stomping and turning flips. oh hell they passed that bill. boy I really did it this time I sh-t all over my chair damn democrats. Get the water hose,what a mess.i’ll have to stand up.good gosh stupid president.

  • Frank

    Another way to look at this mess is this:

    A great many Americans were fed up with Bush and all his administrations bumblings……and spendings…(time to swing left)

    The stage & props were set for the the Obama administration…..

    Obama administration is setting the stage for the next “hero” for the right…Can you Just Imagine what THAT will be if a REPUBLICAN gets in……? (Time to swing right)

    Isnt it time to get off the swing?

    • DaveH

      Yep, high time. Vote Libertarian, the only party that truly advocates Freedom and the Responsibility that it brings with it:
      http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    • JeffH

      I think that is the general feeling for most of us, except those liberals with the 8 year mental block.

  • gmcg

    Time for Congressional term limits — no more career politicians with their power bases, life-time retirements and perks beyond the realm of their constituents. Let’s work to take back the United States from those whose interests are only their own personal agendas, not those of who elected them. But the electorate MUST become active and demand our expectations for Constitutional government. Washington is bought and paid for, even the Supreme Court with their ruling allowing corporate deep pockets for election contributions. Let’s rise up from our couches and make change happen with our votes and our continuing oversight of those we elect.

    • Frank

      Absolutely, but if the people think that any candidate endorsed from the DNC or the RNC is going to restore the Republic, they are very wrong. Either “wing” may give us a few patriots, but the majority are loyalists to the elites and big bussiness.

  • Ross

    If basic healthcare is not a right then neither is national defense, good roads, electricity, public schools, FDA or FEMA, clean air, food, water, national parks, etc. For all of you right wing, I mean so far right that I will never question how the Nazis came to power, individuals…..you do not speak for all America so cut the crap about being American. You are just loud mouths that live in america. What pains me most is the lack of knowledge regarding our History and the use of the constitution. If you want to live without government taking on big projects then buy horses, drive dirt roads, school your own kids, find your own way out of floods, fire and snow. Drink from a well dug with your hands and use an outhouse. And free yourself of anything that government does for you. Then pray to die young and healthy and don’t look to the government to protect your sorry little spoiled butts.

    • Eric S

      We are a Republic and not a mob ruled Democracy. We have the Iroquois nations to thank for that for it is where the U.S. got its idea from for our constitution. Health care certainly isn’t a right but the government already has it so messed up allowing greed to rule and not providing regulatory means and caps. That is why it is unaffordable and if you let government run it then you will really see a sorry excuse for health care and costs that everyone would regret. I would certainly agree to living responsibly to the environment but in my opinion neither party has that right using it only like an exploited yo-yo.

    • Frank

      Ross-While I agree that there are a few “loud & rowdy” people here, they have a right to voice their disgust. If you believe the FEDERAL Govt is required to provide Highways and basic services, actually it is a State function, not a Federal one. People in general really need to read the Constitution as it Clearly states the Type of Goverment we are REQUIRED to have and a democracy IS NOT OUR FORM of GOVERMENT!
      The Founding fathers were very clear when they created these documents and they did not want the type of Goverment we are becoming because that was EXACTLY THE TYRANNY THEY LEFT IN ENGLAND!
      It is not the Goverments job to provide Health care-period. It is the Goverments job to ENSURE that Health care can function and (if treated as commerce) have no roadblocks to the citizens purchasing in any state of the US.

      And for the Record the following are not rights: healthcare electricity, public schools, FDA or FEMA, food, water, national parks, (I edited you list to remove the items covered by the Constitution) In case you didnt know “Rights” are only in relation to property, if you dont own it you have no rights to it. “Privledges” on the other had could be the above mentioned items. The big difference between the two is that one can be taken away-privledge and one cannot-rights.

      • eyeswideopen

        FrANK, you are right, the founding fathers didn’t want us to be anything like England, that’s why they didn’t create a national religion. So why are you all so determined to change their original concept for this country by trying to rewrite history, and forcing people to believe that we were founded under Christianity? Find me somewhere in our original documents where it mentions Jesus’ name and I will concede you are right. Until then, just acknowledge that our founding fathers did not want this to be a nation just for Christians.

        • DaveH

          I looked all through Frank’s comments and didn’t see a thing about religion. Did I miss something, EyesWideShut, or have you been hitting the sauce again?

        • Joe H.

          eyesshutwithoutknowingit,
          “The founders didn’t want us to be anything like England” you finally stated something right and you didn’t even know it!! Right now England has socialised medicine so we SHOULD NOT!!!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Joe, what do you call medicare???? hypocritical thought process for you.

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            EYES
            What do you call OBAMA CARE???? hypocritical thought process for you.

          • Joe H.

            eyesflipfloppingshut,
            gee, just a little while ago I read a post where you said the undeveloped nations and Us were the only ones not to have “some form of socialized medicine.” which one is it pug face???? which face or head,rather, do I put the dunce cap on????

          • Dylan

            Stephaan, Joe H, excellent boys!!! ha ha ha,,,
            You know don’t you, that Eyes is just going to PRETEND LIKE SHE NEVER SAW THESE POSTS DON’T YOU? You nailed her on her hypocrisy and she has no possible answer to come back with that will bail her out. There are about 20 times she has been “nailed” on this and a few other pages, and she never comes back with an answer. You know what I’m talkin about cuz some of the others are yours too. I like to call these “ace serves” where the other player never gets the racket on the ball. They can’t! It’s too late! There just aren’t any “do overs” once the words are out of her mouth. ha ha ha ;-)

            CR747: A big hello, and welcome back!!!! :-)

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH. I will give you link again, as you must have missed it. http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/List_of_Industrialized_Countries
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

            Do you want the list of all countries who are not industrialized and where we rank with them?

        • Meteorlady

          POOR EYES – see you are back spouting half-truths and outright stories. Thanks – it keeps me amused but at some point your narrow views and half-truths start to get tiring and I think I might have reached that point. You never do answer any of the questions asked = why?

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, I have put links in four times showing which industrialized countries have a partical socialized healthcare. You people don’t bother to read them, so after a while, I stop entering them. What country would you like to compare us too?

          • Isolde

            Meteor,
            Re: Eyes Wide Shut , She doesn’t answer BECAUSE SHE CAN’T!

            She has left multiple questions unanswered to Joe H., Stephan, Claire, Jeff H, JC, Dave H, SC, Dartanian, Jana, Constitutionalist, Barb, You, the list is really endless, but ALL these people on here have caught EYES BLINDED in so many untruths, lies, opinions stated as facts, misconstrued words, and plain old propaganda, that there is no possible way she can talk her way out of them.
            She has left questions all over these pages UNANSWERED because any answer that she could give would either be a lie, or make her look like the hypocrite that she is.
            The other liberal socialists like American Liberal, eddie47d, denniso, senior cesar, Doc sarvis etc, are just like her. When they can’t answer, they either just pretend to ignore it, or try and change the subject and talk about something else that has absolutely nothing to do with the original question we/you asked.
            To me, dealing with liberals is the same as dealing with little kids. They talk “all around” the subject but never give you a straight answer.

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, ask me and I will respond.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Isolde,
            You need to do a better job of raising your children so they don’t answer that way.

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      Again, those items are not in the constiution. The Government only owes you to keep the country safe which I might add, they certainly aren’t doing a very good job of that. All other things are to be provided by oneself. Before Eisenhower put in the Interstate system of highways (which he cloned after the autobauns in Germany that he saw), we had railroads that were put in by private investors and supported by the public. After the interstates went in (we had National highways) the railroads had their demise and truckers came into being. What I am trying to say is the reason that the United States was great in the past and the immigrants all wanted to come here for the opportunity was not the government handouts (those didn’t start until the 60′s to buy votes) but to have the opportunity to work and make a better life for themselves. This is what America was made of. Not what we have today will liars and thieves that we have now, telling you one thing and doing the opposite. That is what this regime has done. Please show me one thing in this healthcare bill that before 2014 is healthcare and not another form of taxation. On controlling the banks, the only thing the government should be concerned with is FDIC insurance so that individuals will not loose their funds on deposit – that is it. Nor should we have a Federal Reserve that is unconstitutional. I could go on forever with all the corruption that is going on now – too bad that our older generation has memory tapes, or the progressive politicians would have smooth sailing and of course with people like you that don’t analyze the whole situation or have an original thought.

    • Joe H.

      Actually all those things you mentioned other than health care like roads, military, postal, things like that ARE MENTIONED IN THE CONSTITUTION!!! tell me where in the constitution or bill of rights that health care is mentioned!!!!

  • Eric S

    The dept bubble making machine needs to be torn down and not patched. This is the equivalent of hiring the weasel to guard the chicken coop. The gangsters are running the city and we add just one more sheriff. What’s needed is transparency, a watch dog (not a weasel), full out audit, and accountability. The current system needs to be scraped and monetary backed by real value which would be gold and silver. No more increasing the debt but paying it down. What is needed is real reform. Government gets out of private sector and sticks to the constitutional responsibilities and restraints. Provide regulatory means such as imposing tariffs where need be and regulatory means and caps. Why do think health care costs so much in the first place.

  • http://gmail Raindancer

    eyes wideopen and lib dems all are infected with a chonic problem called HUPO sydrom, “head up posterior orfice”. The optical nerves do not sense what is really happening in dark. constricting damp confines. Eyes defined compartmentlizing as Bubba Clinton, most of the bull about social equality is a victimization issue.
    the people who need to have an organization is the white American male. There is black groups, the queers, steers, unclassified groups, blanket assed beads and braids “Native Americans”,and don’t forget the chili peppers and the pedephile camel humpers, all complaining they aren’t given justice or equality. Get off your rugs and dead behinds and do something useful and constructive. They can get loans easier and faster, more free medical care,food andf shelter than if a white male or people, because they aren’t classified as a minority. Either we are Americans or another group-American. Either pull together or get the hell out of the USA and go back to the dung heaps they migrated from. Every HUPO dem loves to live off of taxpayers, but don’t touch their stash or money. Dem socalists have no cognigive skills because their thinking only goes as far a what am I going to get for “free”, also love the yap of taxing the “rich and corporations”. Dems get a trill out of giving millions to minorities to start businesses and create jobs, the trouble is these groups don’t have the motivation to consistantly stay on a job. When America was settled the Indians couldn’t maintain their life styles, because stealing was judged crime, the land was taken away just as they aquired it, by force, The only problem was the east coast libs didn’t make them assemulate. The blacks or Africans need a leader that does drugs to get bright ideas on where to go or what to do. Obee, the guiding light talking orfice, was raised in the socalistic life style of a tribe. The individual motivation has been steadly remove incrementally from the USA over the decades, the idea of throwing everything in the pot and everyone getts an equal share doesn’t work. Unless you are born, breed, and raised that way. Capital punishment stops repeat offenders and thins out the troubled misfits and who harm the society.

    • Frank

      Hey Raindancer, I get your point, but would you talk to your mom like that? You have the right to free speech, but I do not believe you need to talk like that at all, I doubt it will win anyone over to the cause of freedom & Liberty.

    • chuck b

      raindancer:

      couldn’t agree more!!!

    • bbstacker

      Although Frank isn’t crazy about the way you state it, the simplest form of living the American Life is: Self Reliance. The government convinces the lemmings that they are incapable of making their own choices, and creates a boogey-man out of wealthy Americans who got most of what they have based on self-reliance. The self-reliant pay for the lemmings. The lemmings are taught by gov’t that they are lesser individuals and cannot make it without gov’t intervention. The lemmings blame everyone except themselves, and the gov’t gives them just enough to convince them that they are comfortable. The lemmings, although ignorant by their own volition, believe the gov’t and vote repetitively for the gov’t who has become their master. This is not the America of the 1700′s when there are millions, some 25% of the population, who think that the gov’t is giving them something for free. The government cannot give to anyone anything that it first has not taken from someone else. Until this mindset changes, and God help us on that edeavor, we are doomed to repeat the hell of history.

  • http://www.oaktreepublishing.ca J.D.

    THE FEDS are going to be in charge ???? what a laugh…the pot calling the kettle black…goodby America…its all over.

  • Ellen

    I really believe in Term Limits! If I have an employee and I see they are taking advantage of “looking busy” but doing nothing JUST for a check I have a probation period. Thay are gone! It is a very fair way to dismiss the poor creature so they can look somewhere else. We get some of these idiots in Wash.D.C. and they live high in the never-never land. BOTH PARTY’S do it. Oh I can hardly wait for voting time, and my pencil are sharpened. ANY BO stench will be taken care of, any buy off votes that have knuckled in I will NOTE that too.

    • Dylan

      Ellen,
      Your analogy to a bad employee is spot on. Fire the lazy dogs if they won’t work for their pay, BUT term limits is NOT a good thing. WHY would you want to put term limits on the good reps we have in there now! It’s hard enough to get them voted in, why reduce them to a limited term?
      The same goes for everyone crying to vote all incumbents out. It’s a big enough job in itself just voting all the liberal socialists out! Lets just use the “ballot box” to fire the lazy bums in congress that we don’t want. That’s what it’s for…

      • Joe H.

        Ellen,
        Let’s put term limits into your analogy. you do realize if you fire your employees every two years, number one you are going to be doing nothing but training, two you are going to lose a lot of good employees, and three your company is going down the tubes just like our country will if we always get rid of the good and keep replacing them with bad!!

    • J C

      Go out in the parking lot Ellen, and see who has an Obama sticker on their car. First chance, fire them. There’s some change they can believe in.

  • chuck b

    we can’t blame the politicians we have to blame the voters, we have too many people voting that have not a clue what their guy stands for, only what he may get them for nothing. the election process should be reviewed and revamped, otherwise our country is going down the river. our young men have given their lives for the freedom we enjoy and now we are losing it at the voting booth. these types of politicians (like we have now running the country) are more interested in the wealth and power they gain by this ignorant vote.
    if you think this next election is going to be a landslide by the conservatives, think again, look how many people support this monstrosity healthcare bill. something like 46% and i’ll bet if this bill gets passed, there won’t be a lot of these democrats voted out of office. we need a civil revolution now and backing the tea party is a good start. it may come to the point of dividing the country like before the civil war, i, don’t care to live under a social welfare government and those who do have my blessing, but, not my support.

    • Meteorlady

      If you actually are for what you say then stop paying your taxes. If we all protested by not filing a tax return, the government could not possibly keep running like it does. The government could also not prosecute all of us. Most of us that work and pay taxes are keeping this country going. the non-taxpayers will be a non-event to the politicians when we stop paying because they never paid to begin with.

      So stand up and say you are not a slave to the government and DON’T PAY!!!!!

      • eyeswideopen

        Meteorlady, before you do that, don’t you think it would be a good idea to bring our stranded soldiers back home first? Hate to have them there, with no ammunition to protect themselves. Maybe you could also see clear to make sure all those vets in the VA hospital, could have found a way to take care of themselves prior to your protest. Would hate to see innocent people pay the price of death for your protest.

  • http://Verizon.net Bud Grounds

    Doesn’t it seem odd that the very person along with his buddy Barney Frank who played a large part in the economic mess we are in is in charge of making changes to our financial system?

    EyesWideOpen: Would you do a little research on President Obamas history. I can give you a little help in defining his political ideologue. His own associates in college have stated on several occasions he is a Socialist, friends and family have Socialist backgrounds; His cabinet has several Socailists and one Communist; during the campaign he stated “distribution of wealth” and “National Health Care”; translation: Socialist terms. I believe you will find that President Obama does favor a European Socialist form of Government like the British and his beliefs were formed by his family and friends. This doesn’t make him a bad person but he shouldn’t try to force something on the American People they do not want. I prefer the Capitalistic form of government we now have. No system is perfect but I believe over the long haul, Capitalism is better than Socialism.

  • DaveH

    As Governments Grow, Economies Slow:
    http://www.heritage.org/index/

  • DaveH

    Some facts to offset Obama’s rhetoric on Health Insurance:
    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11447

  • lou

    Yes term limits. It should be an honor and a privlage to serve the people of this great country,and then step aside and let another step in and take your place in this way we keep new blood coming in to renue and keep strong not change the constition. If you cant love this country and the constition as set forth by the founding fathers then maybe you should leave our great country!

    • Judy

      Lou;
      Term limits is NOT A GOOD THING! Think carefully about what Dylan wrote.

      Dylan says:
      March 18, 2010 at 3:30 pm

      Ellen,
      Your analogy to a bad employee is spot on. Fire the lazy dogs if they won’t work for their pay, BUT term limits is NOT a good thing. WHY would you want to put term limits on the good reps we have in there now! It’s hard enough to get them voted in, why reduce them to a limited term?
      The same goes for everyone crying to vote all incumbents out. It’s a big enough job in itself just voting all the liberal socialists out! Lets just use the “ballot box” to fire the lazy bums in congress that we don’t want. That’s what it’s for…

  • ABinGA

    There is an old saying. I can’t remember who but here it is. Truth may be crushed to the earth but crushed or not, truth is still truth.

  • Mills

    Carol, I am a nurse also and plan to get out of direct care if this health care reform gets past, Im a nurse practitioner and still dont plan to practice!! and what about the possible forced unionization of doctors and nurses that could be coming down the pike! Thats why I am getting my masters degree so I can teach instead!!

  • Mills

    Frank, I agree who says everybody is entitled to all these things read the constitution!! Theres too many people who think they are owed all these entitlements, why? who do you think has to pay for it!!! All these entitlements need to be stopped! Obamacare is now overturning welfare reform and supplying the recepients with more money and more dependency, so their entitlement grows!! I guess they never heard the statement if you teach a man to fish he can feed himself for the rest of his life!

  • John J

    I would suggest getting a copy of Gary Kah’s “Enroute to Global Occupation”– a loaded and fast-paced synopsis that brings the puzzle pieces together. It’s not an American problem.. it’s a world-wide movement… and it’s culminating in what we see today. Obama is just one of the many faces put into office on both sides of the aisles by those who wield international power from the sidelines.

  • Claire

    I am being mean, but the above picture of Dodd reminds me of a frog.

    • cr747

      Claire,, how are you and all the gang?? Have missed out on a lot looks like.. Yes,, I thought of Nancy Pelosi when I saw Dodds picture..

      Looks like tomorrow is the BIG day..Looks as if they do not care if they get re-elected or not..

      Everything new in November will be great for the American People..No doubt that Obama is a ONE term president..GOD BLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Claire

        cr747–where have you been?? It appears everyone on this site is fine. Yes, today is the day. I do not look for it to pass. There are several Democrats holding out and it probably is because they want to be re-elected. But after this past year I don’t think it will happen. Pelosi needs to be out. It is truly a shame she has been the Speaker of the House. It is good to have you back. Take care.

        • Joe H.

          Claire,
          Unfortunately your premonition was bad!! It passed and I hope they all rot in unemployed hell!!!

          • Claire

            Joe H–I sincerely thought Stupak would not vote for it!! He sounded so set against it. Someone called him a baby killer. What a mess this is.

        • Joe H.

          cr747,
          my friend! You have been too scarce lately!!! You need to stay in touch a little better!!! good to see you back, just wish it was under better conditions!!!

          • cr747

            Hello Joe H,,Dylan,,and All:::
            Thanks for the welcome!!
            Have been in a custody battle,,it always saddens me to see what goes on when you involve children..They have no clue what is going on,,and they are the ones that are hurt the most..Can’t elaborate to much on the issues at stake at this time..Please pray for children involved in such actions all over the nation..So Sad..

            Spent last week in Washington,,”well really 9 days,,”on issues involving the health care bill..Still astound that it passed..A lot of words where exchanged,,and a lot of tax payers funds involved..
            I do not believe what all is going on,,and going on for the prestige of the congress,,and also the president..

            I do not believe that the ones that voted for it realize that they have jeopardized their future in politics..Looks as though a lot of money was exchanged for votes..Such a shame that our government would stoop so low for not listening to the people..Keep your mind clear and continue to speak out..Also I ask you to keep a watch on JOHN BOEHNER (R) from Ohio..Back him as much as you can..

            Keep a watch on the ACORN group..Do this for me.. PRAY..
            GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU,,AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Norman

    Heraldo Reviera is so excited that it passed for all his mexican buddies. boycott heraldo

  • Norman

    What a sad day for freedom and the American worker…Socialism now has a firm foothold in USA.Open your wallet and pay the bastards more.4 years in ADVANCE.

  • Meteorlady

    “Senate Banking Committee chairman Christopher Dodd presented the proposed legislation that would give the government new powers to break up firms that threaten the economy”. Wait isn’t this the same guy who in 2000 and 2001 told Bush that Fannie and Freddie were doing just fine and didn’t need oversight? Isn’t this the same guy that advocated most of the mergers that took place in the last 10 years or so? WOW, what a fake. I can only imagine what this nut case will come up with since he was so opposed to any of in 8 years ago.

  • ABinGA

    That’s just it. We the tax paying people are tired of taking care of the people that are able to work but will not due to all of the entitlements they can get at our expense. The promises of more will just make it harder for the tax payer and make the ones who want more entitlements come out of the wood work to vote for the politician promising more. If you make a living off of our money (public assistance) then you should have no right to vote.

  • wayne bower

    Isnt there some way to get rid of these thugs before election? I dont think we are going to have a country left in another few months. These goons are doing some serious damage every day.

  • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

    Whoever the ignorant moron was that shot the round through the congressmans window to protest the Obama care bill, YOU ARE F U ING STUPID! You are only hurting us and the 2nd amendment. When you do stupid sh*t like that you are giving HCI and the “Brady Bunch” more ammunition to use against us.

    IF YOU CAN’T CONTROL YOURSELF, THEN USE A ROCK OR A BRICK, YOU IGNORANT FOOL!!

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