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Democrats Get To Talk More In Each Debate

October 19, 2012 by  

Democrats Get To Talk More In Each Debate

Without a doubt, Democrats have come out ahead in one area of the debates: time spent talking. In each of the three debates so far, the man with the blue tie has talked the most.

In the first debate, President Barack Obama spoke for three minutes and 14 seconds more than Mitt Romney, according to the CNN debate clock. In the Vice Presidential debate, Joe Biden spoke for one minute and 22 seconds more than Ryan. (That is the time of actual words being spoken. If you accounted for all of his giggles, it would be much more.) At Tuesday’s town hall debate, Obama spoke for four minutes and 18 seconds longer than Romney.

Despite the fact that Democrats have had more time to talk, Republicans have had the edge. The Nation was in agreement that Romney trounced Obama during the first debate. The Vice Presidential debate was virtually a draw, but a CNN poll gave Paul Ryan the win. The media have not announced a clear winner of Tuesday’s debate. Republicans feel like Romney won, while Democrats believe Obama left with a victory. CNN’s poll gives the latest victory to Obama.

Bryan Nash

Staff writer Bryan Nash has devoted much of his life to searching for the truth behind the lies that the masses never question. He is currently pursuing a Master's of Divinity and is the author of The Messiah's Misfits, Things Unseen and The Backpack Guide to Surviving the University. He has also been a regular contributor to the magazine Biblical Insights.

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  • Harold Olsen

    Though I never watch the debates, which I consider to be a waste of time, from what I hear, the Democrats are constantly violating the rules and interrupting Republicans when it’s their turn to speak. The moderator,, liberal Democrats in all the debates this time around, are supposed to stop these interruptions, but rather than doing their jobs, they allow the Democrats to interrupt the Republicans and even interrupt the Republicans themselves. When people interrupt others, what that says to me is their argument is weak and they are afraid of their opponent putting forth his views.

    • Kinetic1

      Nope, you haven’t watched the debates and it’s rather foolish to comment on the event based only on what you have heard. There was plenty of back and forth between the candidates Tuesday night and plenty of criticism to go around.

      • Alan

        Kinetic1 – the truth is that the moderator did interrupt Romney more then Obama, Obama had more speaking time and the moderator stopped moderating and became a fact checker and was in fact wrong in her fact checking – the debate was not properly moderated by an unbiased person. And I have watched all three debates as well as several state debates for my state candidates.

      • Paul Wells

        Alan, I’ve watched all three also, and I echo what you said…verbatim. That’s the plain simple truth of it. Democrats just don’t want to play by the rules. Also, of note: Obummer whining at one point about whether or not he was going to have enough time to rebut. Hell, they took away most of Romney’s time to rebut. Fair and balanced, it was NOT!

      • CalBob

        I agree with the first two replies…..and when Romney even mentioned ‘Fast and Furious”, wow, Crowley shut him down in a heartbeat….

      • Disgusted

        I’ve watched all 3 ” debates.” I even dvr’d the last one so I could replay it. The moderator interrupted Mr. Obama 9 times, but Mr. Romney 28 times. At one point, the topic was gun control. Mr. Romney was trying to make a point concerning ” Operation Fast and Furious.” The moderator interrupted him, saying that had nothing to do with guns or gun control. If anyone ” beat ” Mr. Romney in the second debate, it would have been the liberal Democratic moderator ( from CNN.)

      • Jimbo

        Well, I’ve watched the debates (as much as I can stomach), and the moderators HAVE been hostile to Romney and Ryan, and deferential to Obama and Biden. They must know they have a weak argument.

    • Ted Crawford

      While the last Presidential Debate was marred by the Moderators’(?) Partisan interruptions and even confirming(falsely) her chosen candidates position, the first Presidential Debate was moderated very well I thought. Jim Lehrer inserted himself rarely and allowed the free flow of debate between the Candidates!

      • Disgusted

        I agree. And that’s why all his liberal colleagues blasted him… he did his job correctly.

    • julesv29

      Harold – Even though you say you did not watch the debate, you pegged it dead on. I watched and you are absolutely correct. Not only do the moderators interrupt, but they side with Obama or Biden to assist them in their lies against Romney and Ryan. It was a joke to see how unfairly the debates were handled. Afterword, fact checking supported the claims of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, and showed the lies from the Left. But, still, the Left gets support, although it is getting weaker. More people are starting to see where we are headed and what a liar we have in the WH.

    • Mac

      I have a proposal for the moderators. It’s actually quite simple. Since the “Clock” that they use is electronic, and so are the Microphones. Tie the clock to the the Mics. End of time >CLICKCLICKCLICK<.

  • reelman1946

    I watched every second of all debates…its simply that the arrogant apostles of utopian secular socialism have great difficulty defending the naturally toxic results socialistic policies produce. Lofty visionary fantasy speeches cannot trump real results!

    All over the globe for generations the monster gov-meant/hi debt theory has brought personal pain to hundreds of millions BUT the dimdems here never ever ever learn.

    Their pawn media will not blame the socialism but the head socializer…
    and go look for yet another apostle to impose this on us. Socialism does not work, does not work and certainly does not fit America.

    • Warrior

      Thats exactly how “empty suits” perform. The “first lie” may be hard, but after that balloon is punctured, the gas bag just lets loose.

  • Gary L

    Is anyone surprised? Anyone?

    • Laurel Shand (@LaurelShand56)

      No Gary L, not at all. If Obama thugs can’t cheat then they know they can’t win.

      • Paul Wells

        Chicago style, Saul Alinsky brass knuckles politics at it’s best! When the facts don’t work…lie, lie, and lie!

  • Dussty1

    As long as the Republicans keep agreeing to sitting with liberal moderators, the Dems will always have more time to speak, and get assistance from the moderator if they screw-up a talking point.

    • Paul Wells

      I believe the overall point may be, that it’s damned tough in today’s media to even FIND an unbiased middle of the road mediator, they seemed to have been hijacked by the Saul Alinsky crowd!

  • orples

    I would watch the debates if they threw a Libertarian into the mix who would stir up the issues that need to be addressed. I’d like to hear our Candidates discuss their plans for the North American Union, the audit of the Federal Reserve, and other ‘taboo’ subjects that I’m sure they wish we were all unaware of.

    With only Obama and Romney to argue (and sling mud) back and forth, the debates aren’t worth my time. They should let all of the Presidential Contenders speak. Of course, we’re supposed to believe that we only have two Candidates to choose from. That in itself is a lie.

    Last time around (in the 2008 elections), Obama told lie after lie to get elected … like say for instance, where is the transparency we were promised? And that is just one example. I’m sure if Romney gets elected, he too, will fall short of his election promises. I’m so sick of the puppets that parade around on stage, chomping at the bit, in their attempts to get the key to the White House.

    We need a President that will put America (American’s) first and restore our Constitution. I don’t see either Obama, or Romney doing that. Their CFR affiliation says it all. Anyone unfamiliar with the Council on Foreign Relations and/or their goals should do a little research and while you’re at it, google Agenda 21. That is where is we are headed under both Romney and/or Obama. They are two sides of the same coin.

    • http://yahoo gator

      no doubt! hopefully after this two-party bs is over and its seen by the AMERICAN people that neither rep/dem party acts in their interests, maybe then we will have a true AMERICAN PATRIOT PRESIDENT, for which to vote.
      to hell with the cfr, un, federal reserve, and the biggest thug on the block, the military industrial machine.

    • Mikey

      Gary Johnson…..need I say more?

      • Pat Yates

        All Gary Johnson will do is cause problems. With him throwing his hat in the ring, it will make it more difficult for Romney to win and what are you going to do if we get another four years of this garbage that we have had???? I live in NM but I do not agree with anyone trying to upset the whole applecart in this manner. Johnson cannot win, he can
        only try and assure us of another 4 years with BO, our affirmative action, illegal alien so-called potus who, it has been said, has been a card carrying communist. And who could doubt that considering all his pals and buddies who still carry that card.

      • vicki

        Pat Yates says:
        “…… what are you going to do if we get another four years of this garbage that we have had???? ”

        When Romney wins and you get another 4 years of this garbage are you going to finally admit that voting for the lessor of 2 evils is still a vote fore evil?

        Gary Johnson CAN win. If everyone voted on principle instead of popularity he would win in a landslide. Unless, of course the school propaganda machine has successfully destroyed the people’s interest in freedom, liberty and (true) justice for all.

        Btw the path for 3rd party candidates will be social media. Much less expensive to run campaigns thru that path.

    • Jeff


      I agree. When are we going to hold these buffoons accountable for all the monies they waste. I still don’t think they have accounted for or even know were the bail out money went. According to the Constitution they have to account for it. But I’ll be more than willing to beat they don’t want us to know.

  • TexRay

    - “man with the blue tie has talked the most.”
    I wish Mr. Nash would have noticed that Mr. Romney sits in the background with a blue tie while the president’s is red. Just an observation.
    I have watched all three and find it frustrating that moderators aren’t held more accountable when revealing their bias, but there is hope. As soon as a conservative moderator shows any sign of bias, there will be a reckoning.

    • Bob Robbins

      Pray tell me when we are going to get a conservative commentator????????????????????//

  • Richard Hull

    Seems unfair to me. I watched all the Republican debates when we started out wth a zillion candidates and I have watched the two Presidential and one Vice-Presidentail debate. WHY are the moderators ALWAYS from the left side. Either from CNN, ABC, MSNBC, etc. Have the debates ever heard of Brit Hume? Although a Conservative, he would undoutedly be the most unbiased moderstor of all. Of course, in America today that would be a no-no to have a right leaning moderator. In the last Presidential debate Romney had ole BHO on the ropes till Candy Crowley from CNN (that great liberal network) came to the Presidents rescue. AND, she was wrong and later admitted so.

    • carla

      In true fairness in order to avoid similar situations there should be 2 moderators:; one representing the Democratic Party and one for the Republican Party.

      • Paul Wells

        Interesting idea…but I’m afraid that would descend into a cluster [insert your favorite noun here]. I just think they really need to try harder to find someone who hasn’t already aligned with one camp or the other.

        • carla

          It is hard to find a neutral person as the majority of individuals lean either on the right or on the left

  • JohnC

    Without a doubt you can see that the Liberal Moderators favor their man and agenda, But they loose everytime it gets down to Obama’s record

    • Virginia

      I am so upset with the debates! Biden was so rude by interrupting Ryan, it made my blood boil. Obama is no better and I don’t understand how he ever became president!!! What’s happening in our country, don’t people care anymore?

  • James Corbin

    I don’t think they should have a democrat moderator all the time.

  • http://n.a. mort_f

    These were not debates, they were media events. The ‘equal time’ factor is rather meaningless, in Lincoln-Douglas, Douglas spoke for hours on end, Lincoln was able to succeed with but a few well chosen words. And at Gettysburg, he was castigated by the media for his ‘far too brief’ Gettysburgh Address, which has since become a classic in American history. In a military battle, thousands of shots are fired, but it takes only one well aimed bullet to kill.

    At each and every utterance of Obama, Romney had ample opportunity to say ‘B…..S…’. That he didn’t, nor resort to the Biden approach, amply demonstrated the inherent class of Romney, something sorely lacking from his opponents which included the so-called moderator. A moderator who had to apologize the following day for her own words and ineptness. An apology that is buried in the backpages of the media.

  • Dave67

    Boy conservatives have all kinds of excuses when they lose… Couldn’t be that Romney is a serial liar and political bully and opportunist? No… of course not… What am I thinking? You can cut taxes 20% across the board, raise spending and balance the budget and reduce the debt… Worked so well for Ronnie Reagan and George W Bush…

    Conservative will but into any BS and lie Romney throws out there because they hate Obama that much.

    • bobbyp

      Seems to me you harbor a lot of hate for Romney/Ryan & the Republicans, that’s known as the pot calling the kettle black.

    • Ted Crawford

      I’m aware of no Conservative “losses”, unless you are willing to give Obama the slight edge provided by Crowleys false assertion that he was correct, when he wasn’t !
      As to “Hating Obama”, any right thinking, freedom loving individule, anywhere, should hate what he stands for ! I wish him no harm, I just wish him gone!

    • vicki

      Dave67 says:
      “Boy conservatives have all kinds of excuses when they lose…”

      Presupposes the (unproven) assertion that conservatives=Republicans.

      Conservatives lost months ago when Romney was selected to be the Republican candidate thus your comment is not relevant to the OP.

  • James Corbin

    Romney tried to talk, he was stopped. I thought the president of the United States should have more manners. He and Biden showe4d how rude they were.

    • Doc Sarvis

      I am sure President Obama would let Romney talk all night about his binders of women.

      • momo

        Maybe Obama could tell us what really happened in Libya, but that wouldn’t be “optimal”.

  • Liberty Lover

    In a visually driven world where style routinely trumps substance, both the first presidential debate and the only VP debate were huge wins for the GOP and are likely to determine the outcome of this election. Those who give Biden a win on content completely miss the fact that his atrocious behavior was turning off women by the millions. Democrats don’t believe in playing by the rules, whether it’s Michelle clapping at the last debate, Reid ignoring his responsibility to pass a budget, or Obama violating any law he doesn’t like.

  • TML

    When another Presidential candidate is being arrested outside, and several other candidates aren’t allowed to speak at all. Is this really news?

    I can remember that same thing done to Ron Paul in the Republican primaries. Whine it up hypocrites. lol

    • Ted Crawford

      Right on TML! Why didn’t we hear from Jimmy McMillen and Roseanne Barr and those other Radicals?

      • TML

        Because they’re not Presidential candidates who are on the ballots, genius. The real question is why didn’t we hear from those who are. how do you/we know they are radicals if they are not allowed to participate? Don’t be such a sheep with your ‘complex questions’.

      • Ted Crawford

        OH but they are TML ! Jimmy represents the ” The Rents Too Damn High Party and Roseanne represents the “Peace and Freedom Party!

      • TML

        Well, I don’t see a Jimmy McMillan – not so sure how much stock I put in a report of him saying he will run – but you’re right. There are a lot. (Didn’t know Rosanne was running, lol)

        But regardless, why not let them participate in elimination debates? Especially those on more than half the state ballots? (which Rosanne is not – but wouldn’t be the first time ‘celebrity’ ran for office)

        Where would you draw the line Ted? The duopoly lock out working good for you?

  • Bill

    Why talk about who got more time. In the presidential debates Obama is up 6 or 7 minutes. I don’t really care – when you don’t have anything worth saying, it doesn’t really matter how long you say it for.

  • Ted Crawford

    Time should always be only a secondary issue. It’s what you have to say and how you choose to say it that matters. Nearly everyone remembers, parts at least, of Lincolns Gettesburg Address, only minutes long. No one , few at least, even remember the name of the Speaker who proceeded him, and that speech was over an hour long!
    How about “Mr. Gorbachev, Tear down this wall” or ” Ask not what your Country can do for you…” or ” speak softly and carry a big stick”.

    • TML

      “If the present Congress [or President] errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour?” – Thomas Jefferson

      “Less is more” only applies to words, not choices.

  • Patriot

    What I have learned throughout my business and life experiences, generally the person who does most of the talking is hiding or concealing something!

  • http://yahoo Larry

    I wonder where the moderator got her copy of the speech in the rose garden and why she just happened to have it with her during the debate. The president even told her to check it to see what he had said during that speech. No wonder this boob is down 7 points in the poll.

  • tony

    OK then if they want to talk more then lets here them explain This foreign policy ?? Romney needs to ask Obama if he plans on adopting the UNITED NATIONS Sustainable development plans as laid out here and what this will do to the Economy ???

    • julesv29

      That question may very well have been one that the townhall audience asked. However, the questions were given to the moderator (Candy Crowley) a day or so ahead of the event and SHE chose which questions could be read. She chose those that would be favorable or that she could make favorable to the incumbent.

  • godhelpus

    Of course CNN gave the win to Obama. The media has been one sided since he got into office. Always spinning the story to make him look good. They also love to publicize the racial tension when it is white on black, but don’t give the same consideration when it’s black on white

    • eddie47d

      Almost all outlets and newspapers gave the win to Obama Ms Godhelpus not just CNN so you once again seem to be the one stirring up trouble instead of bringing up facts. This article said that Obama spoke for 18 seconds more than Romney. Big Whop Te Doo! Considering that Romney used 7,802 words and Obama used 7,294 words in the first debate and Romney used 7,984 words and Obama used 7,506 words in the second debate says alot about who really got to say the most. Yet you will never get the complete truth around here.

      • Mikey

        I know reading is not your strong point eddiot, but try again. Four minutes and 18 seconds more is what the article said.

      • eddie47d

        Straight for the name calling Mikey. I will give you the 4 minutes if you agree that Romney said more in the allotted time. Apparently Romney is a faster talker or did less walking around in his time given.

  • Kinetic1

    “In each of the three debates so far, the man with the blue tie has talked the most.”
    I’m not disputing any findings here, but did anyone else note that Romney is wearing the “blue tie” in this photo?

    • chuckb

      come on kenetic1, you know the bolsheviks need more time for their lies, it takes less time for the truth.

  • tony

    I want to hear how the democrats defend this ???? President Obamas Over Regulation is Costing the Middle Class 1.75 trillion a Year !!!!

    Read where the Middle Class is getting Screwed by Obama Regulation Policy and where we can Balance the national DEBT in 8 years without one single cut to Entitlement spending !!!!!! OMG are we STUPID or what Being safe is fine but at a cost of 1.75 trillion Hell that’s 18 % of GDP with no benenfit to supply expansion to lower inflation cost of Living , common Mr. President you have to be smarter than this , ???
    Scroll down to the segment about : “ Regulations “ Where Senator Mike Johanns Talks about a Obama regulation COST PER YEAR of 1.75 Trillion ,

  • TML

    Well, I don’t see a Jimmy, but you’re right about Rosanne. Not too surprising I suppose when it’s not the first time a Hollywood celebrity ran for office.

    There are a lot of them, so why not hold elimination debates? Or draw a requirment line of being on half the state ballots? (Rosanne being on the ballot in only one state isn’t very compelling)

    Where would you draw the line Ted? How’s the duopoly working out for you?

  • http://gmail kewpiedoll

    OH come on now you ROB—-ME lovers , you know he’s a flip–flopper he changes his mind every time the wind blows.

  • Mikey

    Yet, we don’t even get to hear from the candidate who will actually IMPROVE this country instead of contributing to it’s downfall:

  • uvuvuv

    i thought romney might have been a little too glib in the two debates, for example coming up with 12 million jobs all of a sudden. i was pulling for him and so was more aware of this with him than with obama, who might have also been a little too easy and sleazy. but the goal in any debate is to win. if you killed someone you don’t tell your lawyer, be sure to tell the truth now. you want him to worm and squirm any way he can. a debate properly handled is a measure of the intellectual acumen of the participants. can they organize their thoughts and present them convincingly within the allotted time or not?

  • Rita

    Of course I watched the first and second debate. The moderator, Candy was as professional as Obama and certainly presented herself as one of his hired yes girl! I am so sick of Obama and his team—he is a habitual liar and really thinks he is cool. I would love to debate him myself. I think Mitt Romney did an excellent job and won both debates and I just hope those undecided americans will look at the facts of what Obama really is, how he has brought this country to it’s knee’s by all the negative actions he alone passed—the deficit, our military cuts, our homeland security, the increase in terrorists/attacks, loss of jobs/homes/healthcare, and the overall status of this once #1 leading America the beautiful, home of the free, land of the brave…………….Obama cannot and will not answer a direct question with a honest answer because that would put the real face on the real loser that he is.

  • tom

    Are you people crazy romhead,broke the rules first. But when you repubs do the blame game or whine game you lost the bebate fact.Ohio is it if romhead loses ohio it’s a eary night for obama fact it’s over.You have a weak flip floper so sad…

    • http://google redbull

      Talk about whining a whipped dog, the maddrasss trained, marxist loving/socialist was the on that whined about time when he got the most time and it was this “high IQ ed” moron who wasted Romney’s time interupttiing. Calling Romney a “flipflopper”, Onumnutts uses his maddrass train to become a’ congentia liar” adnasum. His muslim education is showing thru since the clay figurine moon god allah;s pedophile prophie, Moohamed compiled rants says it is ok to lie to all non muslims, and fellow muslim can be killed, to fuether the worship of a clay figurine moon god.

  • Lois

    i think the careers of moderators and journalists who show their bias ought to be on the line. The problem with what is happening in all aspects of this country is that no one is held to any standard and are not held accountable. If i were making the rules there would be debates only after a president has served an eight year term. After a four year term the incumbant, regardless of party, should be made to run only on there record. the challenger should be allowed to only speak of what he/she would do differently. I know, pie-in-the-sky!

  • s c

    Well, knock me down with a sledge hammer and call me naive. Democrats demand and get more time to talk? It’s probably the one thing that defines most of them (talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, ad barfo).
    In passing, it does seem fitting that we have a prez who thinks we have 57 states. Now, Motormouth Joe claims that we’ve been fighting in Iran.
    Yep, there’s no doubt about it. We gots us two of the smartest twits who ever lived in and around the White House. I wonder if either of them could pass a simple reading test. It just doesn’t make sense to put faith in people who can’t get simple facts straight. Then again, this is yet another way to describe 99% of all utopian loonies.

  • Gary

    I think if you counted the time that he talked at the same time as Ryan you would have to give him at least another 30 minutes. Nearly every time it was Ryan’s was making a point Biden opened his mouth and talked louder. To be fair Biden wasn’t being selective he did the same to the moderator.

  • uvuvuv

    biden says we’re safe from iran’s nuclear warheads because they don’t have anything to put them in. gee, when was he in iran to verify this? and how much trouble would it be to whip up a canister of stainless steel?

  • erinsgram

    CNN tried to explain their display of partiality by stating Obama got more time because he spoke slower and took more pauses. Could this be a result of his measuring every word he said. I realize he is incapable without a teleprompter but this should not change the rules of the debates.

    This year has got to be the last of liberal MSM commentators as moderators. Dishonesty is becoming just a matter of course in politics and it is down grading us in every area.

  • Gregory Brooks

    As usual you ignorant republicans who wouldn’t know a good thing when it kicks you up beside the head!!! I’m so tierd of all your whining till I could pull my hair out if I had any. Hell If President Obama hadn’t gotten ahold of that run away train and stoped it from running compleatly off that cliff you all would still be jumping out windows, puting guns to your heads and walking out in frount of cars and trains today,just like back 1929 when the market crashed, wouldn’t you?You see if The President hadn’t gotten hold of that train pulled it back up that cliff gotten it leveled off AND TURNED AROUND AND MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION (THAT RITE I SAID IT) IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION,JUST LIKE PRESIDENT CLINTON DID BEFORE BUSH GOT IN THER AND LIKE ALWAYS WHEN ONE OF YOU GET IN SCREWED IT UP. Like always we have to clean up your mess and like always you want to try to jump back in and still the credit. Now to address debate time crap that you all are spruing now ! If we are watching the same debates you all know with out a doubt that it was Romney and Ryan who tryed to hog up all the time by tring to over talk everbody with those same old lies as ALWAYS.Maybe we sould let you all have it so we can be done with you rejects, no I don’t think so we have to many Children and Elderly the sick and and poor to care for to do that. So why don’t you wake up and get with the program.


      You need to quit drinking the koolaid from the OBAMA/Clinton machine because both were disbarred from practicing LAW because both were caught lying/felonies in some states so we can not except anything coming out of their mouths as TRUTH. ALL you DEMOCRATS who are so caught up in “BUSH’S WAR” need to realize that Geo W offerred to SADDAMN and his sons the right to leave IRAQ to prevent a full out WAR.I think this was a very honorable effort on his part, BUT you are too stupid to see this as being TRUE. You would rather blame someone else than take responsibility yourself…

  • richcarro

    They say that Obama got more minutes, because he spoke slower. Maybe it was the pot he was smoking before he came on stage. Or maybe he has an illness they didn’t tell us about. Because he doesn’t seem to be in his right mind, Then again he was never in his right mind

  • Dave67

    Here is what is important…

    Mitt is a liar… He lied about 12 million jobs (his campaign was forced to admit this)

    He lied about his economic plan (Nobody can make the numbers work)

    He lied about supporting the employer determining if contraception can be covered under Insurance (He supported the Blunt Amendment… or did he? You never know with Tricky Mitt)

    What is funny… Tricky Mitt lost the endorsement of the Mormon paper… The Salt Lake Tribute “Too Many Mitts”…

    That means something when your own paper called you a liar.

    Obama was tearing Tricky Mitt up iin front of 10000 people at GMU University today and coined a new phrase…. Romnesia… when you can’t remember the position you took just the other day.

    Enjoy your candidate conservatives… another liar who wants to be POTUS… but then you are used to it… (Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2, Tricky Dick Nixon)

    Enjoy the long slide back to raiding people’s pensions Tricky Mitt…

    I wonder if he is going to be as angry as he was in the first and second debate next week? What an impatient child you conservatives have “thrown up”.


  • michael

    Dave67: It’s apparent by your grammer, spelling, and CAPS, that you come from the Joe Biden school of expressing your opinions. That said, calling Romney a liar compared to our organizer and chief is like the kettle calling the pot black even though this clown is 1/2 black and smoked one too many joints of pot.

    • Dave67

      Ok Michael,

      Mitt isn’t lying… Since conservatives are handy with a calculator… make Tricky Mitt’s numbers work.

      Keep in mind, you is going to increase defense spending, not touch Medicare/SS for the current baby-boomer generation, cut taxes across the board by 20% and he talks about closing “loopholes” which he hasn’t given a single one.

      Make the numbers work… tell me how he lowers the deficit in today’s economy.

      And if you are all bent out of shape because I called Tricky Mitt what he is… I supreme liar… Get over it. You conservatives have lied consistantly about Obama and his record and what he has spent… You have ZERO credibility especially with the GOP that has inhabited Congress since 2009.

  • nickkin

    Let the liberal liars have their last time for the lies…..they have had the last 4 years of time to lie, even in their pre-election speeches that gave out their platform of doom. They lied so much that they can’t remember all their lies. If you put all those liberal marxie’s in gitmo in seperate cells they wouldn’t know where to start, similar to the they screwed the country the last four….but they will be happy on their prayer rugs and 5 times a day horn blowing to allah…..only to find out that their rugs are no magic carpet to fly away. throw the key away, see ya !

  • Fox

    Mitt the Twit…31 lies in the debate
    1) “I want to make sure we keep our Pell grant program growing. We’re also going to have our loan program, so that people are able to afford school.” Paul Ryan’s budget could cut Pell Grants for nearly 1 million college students and even Romney’s white paper on education, “A Chance for Every Child,” suggests that he “would reverse the growth in Pell Grant funding.” It says: “A Romney Administration will refocus Pell Grant dollars on the students that need them most and place the program on a responsible long-term path that avoids future funding cliffs and last-minute funding patches.”
    2) “I put out a five-point plan that gets America 12 million new jobs in four years and rising take-home pay.” The Washington Post’s in-house fact checker tore Romney’s claim that he will create 12 million jobs to shreds. The Post wrote that the “‘new math’” in Romney’s plan “doesn’t add up.” In awarding the claim four Pinocchios — the most untrue possible rating, the Post expressed incredulity at the fact Romney would personally stand behind such a flawed, baseless claim.
    3) “And the president’s right in terms of the additional oil production, but none of it came on federal land. As a matter of fact, oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land, and gas production was down 9 percent.” 14 percent is a one-year number. “Overall, oil production on federal land under Obama is up from 566 million barrels in 2008 to 626 million barrels in 2011, a 10.6 percent increase.” Compared to the last three years of President Bush, there have been 241 million more barrels of oil produced from public lands in the first three years of Obama.
    4) “Because the president cut in half the number of licenses and permits for drilling on federal lands, and in federal waters.” There are slightly fewer permits in 2009 and 2010, from between 8,000-9,000 permits to over 5,000, and they have not been cut by half. The oil and gas industry is sitting on 7,000 approved permits to drill, where it hasn’t begun exploring or developing. Two-thirds of “acreage leased by [oil] industry lies idle” on public lands, according to the Department of the Interior.
    5) “I believe very much in our renewable capabilities; ethanol, wind, solar will be an important part of our energy mix.” Romney is actually against a one-year renewal of the wind production tax credit. The wind production tax credit has led to $14 billion of investment in 2011 and tens of thousands of American jobs.
    6) “And coal, coal production is not up; coal jobs are not up.” 1,500 coal jobs have been created under Obama.
    7) “And if we do that, if we do what I’m planning on doing, which is getting us energy independent, North America energy independence within eight years.” Romney would actually eliminate the fuel efficiency standards that are moving the United States towards energy independence, even though his campaign plan relies on these rules to meet his goals.
    8) “I will fight to create more energy in this country, to get America energy secure. And part of that is bringing in a pipeline of oil from Canada.” Even with generous assumptions, the impact of the pipeline on oil prices is unclear and may raise prices in midwest states. After all, a lot of that refined tar sands crude will be sold on the international market.
    9) “The proof of whether a [energy] strategy is working or not is what the price is that you’re paying at the pump. If you’re paying less than you paid a year or two ago, why, then, the strategy is working. But you’re paying more.” Gas prices are certainly high, but oil is a global commodity, and the president has virtually no control over them. And according to the Congressional Budget Office, Romney’s proposal to increase domestic oil production would not have much impact on volatility.
    10) “And I will not — I will not under any circumstances, reduce the share that’s being paid by the highest income taxpayers. And I will not, under any circumstances increase taxes on the middle-class.” As the Tax Policy Center concluded, Romney’s plan can’t both exempt middle class families from tax cuts and remain revenue neutral. “He’s promised all these things and he can’t do them all. In order for him to cover the cost of his tax cut without adding to the deficit, he’d have to find a way to raise taxes on middle income people or people making less than $200,000 a year,” the Center found.

    11) “But your rate comes down and the burden also comes down on you for one more reason, and that is every middle-income taxpayer no longer will pay any tax on interest, dividends or capital gains. No tax on your savings. That makes life a lot easier.” This would actually help very few Americans. Nearly three-fourths of households that make $200,000 or less annually would get literally nothing from Romney’s tax cut, due to the simple fact that most of those households have no capital gains income. To be exact, 73.9 percent of the households upon which Romney “focused” his tax cut will see zero benefit from it.
    12) “A recent study has shown the people in the middle-class will see $4,000.00 per year in higher taxes as a result of the spending and borrowing of this administration.” Romney is pointing to this study from the American Enterprise Institute. It actually found that rather than raise taxes to pay down the debt, the Obama administration’s policies — those contained directly in his budget — would reduce the share of taxes that go toward servicing the debt by $1,289.89 per taxpayer in the $100,000 to $200,000 range.
    13) “Fifty-four percent of America’s workers work in businesses that are taxed as individuals. So when you bring those rates down, those small businesses are able to keep more money and hire more people.” Far less than half of the people affected by the expiration of the upper income tax cuts get any of their income at all from a small businesses. And those people could very well be receiving speaking fees or book royalties, which qualify as “small business income” but don’t have a direct impact on job creation. It’s actually hard to find a small business who think that they will be hurt if the marginal tax rate on income earned above $250,000 per year is increased.
    14) “I went to a number of women’s groups and said, ‘Can you help us find folks,’ and they brought us whole binders full of women. I was proud of the fact that after I staffed my Cabinet and my senior staff, that the University of New York in Albany did a survey of all 50 states, and concluded that mine had more women in senior leadership positions than any other state in America.” Romney did not ask women groups for candidates. Instead, prior to his election, a “bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government.” They “put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions” and presented it to Romney after he was elected. A UMass-Boston study found that “the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006.”
    15) “I’m going to help women in America get good work by getting a stronger economy and by supporting women in the workforce.” Romney has been uncomfortably silent on the issue of pay equity. He has refused to say whether he’d support the Paycheck Fairness Act, a bill that would allow women to sue for equal pay, and named four of the justices who voted to roll back equal pay in that Supreme Court decision as his models for any of his appointments to the federal bench.
    16) “I’d just note that I don’t believe that bureaucrats in Washington should tell someone whether they can use contraceptives or not. And I don’t believe employers should tell someone whether they could have contraceptive care of not. Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives.” But back in March, Romney expressed strong support for the so-called Blunt amendment, which that would allow employers to deny contraception coverage to women. Romney also wants to defund Planned Parenthood, where 76 percent of the patients seek low-cost birth control options. Defunding the organization would make it much harder for those women to obtain contraceptives.
    17) “So when you say that I wanted to take the auto industry bankrupt, you actually did. And — and I think it’s important to know that that was a process that was necessary to get those companies back on their feet, so they could start hiring more people. That was precisely what I recommend and ultimately what happened.” This is false. As Buisnessweek explains: Romney “opposed any use of taxpayer dollars to bail out the automakers, advice that President George W. Bush and Obama ignored. GM and Chrysler went through managed bankruptcies after Bush, at the end of his presidency, and later Obama provided federal funds.” “Without federal funds, GM and Chyrsler would not have survived. As former Bush aide Tony Fratto explained, “It wasn’t just that there wasn’t credit available; a lot of private equity had cash, they just weren’t giving it away.”
    18) “He said that by now middle-income families would have a reduction in their health insurance premiums by $2,500 a year. It’s gone up by $2,500 a year.” Premiums have increased, though at a lower rate than before. And while the Affordable Care Act’s most important cost contentment strategies have yet to be implemented, the law is already lowering costs. 16 million seniors have received preventive benefits without deductibles or co-pays and are saving at least $3.9 billion on prescription drugs. Millions of young adults now have insurance coverage and are staying on their parent’s health care plan, insurers that spend too many premium dollars on administrative spending have refunded consumers, and states have successfully rejected dramatic premium increases.
    19) “He keeps saying, ‘Look, I’ve created 5 million jobs.’ That’s after losing 5 million jobs. The entire record is such that the unemployment has not been reduced in this country.” Job creation is net positive since Obama took office in the middle of the worst recession since the great depression. Economists estimate that up to 3 million jobs were created by the stimulus alone.
    20) “The kids of those that came here illegally, those kids, I think, should have a pathway to become a permanent resident of the United States and military service, for instance, is one way they would have that kind of pathway to become a permanent resident.” But Romney has promised to end President Obama’s deferred action directive, which saves some young undocumented immigrants from deportation, though he would not take away visas from people who had already received them. He has also promised to veto the DREAM Act.
    21) “Now, when the president ran for office, he said that he’d put in place, in his first year, a piece of legislation — he’d file a bill in his first year that would reform our — our immigration system… He didn’t do it. He had a Democrat House and Democrat Senate, supermajority in both houses.” Senate Republicans repeatedly prevented Obama’s immigration reform efforts. The GOP actually blocked the DREAM Act from securing 60 votes to pass cloture, denying hundreds of thousands of young undocumented immigrants a path to legal status if they enrolled in college or joined the military. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) even said on the Senate floor that young people lobbying his office had wasted their time.
    22) “Any investments I have over the last eight years have been managed by a blind trust. And I understand they do include investments outside the United States, including in — in Chinese companies.” Romney’s blind trust is not very blind, and includes investments in a company owned by Romney’s son.
    23) “It was a terrorist attack and it took a long time for that to be told to the American people.” Obama called the Libya incident an act of “terror” the very next day. “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for,” he said. “Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.”
    24) “Consider the distance between ourselves and — and Israel, the president said that — that he was going to put daylight between us and Israel.” The Israeli Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister, Ehud Barak, told CNN, “President Obama is doing … more than anything that I can remember in the past [in regard to our security].”
    25) “The president’s policies throughout the Middle East began with an apology tour and — and — and pursue a strategy of leading from behind, and this strategy is unraveling before our very eyes.” Obama never embarked on an “apology tour.”
    26) “We, of course, don’t want to have automatic weapons, and that’s already illegal in this country to have automatic weapons.” Automatic weapons are legal in this country.
    27) “The — the greatest failure we’ve had with regards to — to gun violence in some respects is what — what is known as Fast and Furious. Which was a program under this administration, and how it worked exactly I think we don’t know precisely, where thousands of automatic, and AK-47 type weapons were — were given to people that ultimately gave them to — to drug lords.” The Justice Department’s inspector general “issued a scathing critique of federal officials for their handling of the botched gun-trafficking case,” but “exonerated Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., whom many Republicans have blamed for the scandal.”
    28) “What I will do as president is make sure it’s more attractive to come to America again.” Romney’s plan to move the country to a territorial tax system would let corporations do business and make profits overseas without ever being taxed on it in the U.S. This would encourage American companies to invest abroad, potentially costing the country up to 800,000 jobs.
    29) “Canada’s tax rate on companies is now 15 percent. Ours is 35 percent. So if you’re starting a business, where would you rather start it? We have to be competitive if we’re going to create more jobs here.” The U.S. is raising historically low amounts of revenue from the corporate income tax, and it already has the second lowest effective corporate tax rate in the world. U.S. corporations are taxed less than their foreign rivals, and the U.S. effective corporate tax rate is low compared to other developed economies.
    30) “And there’s no question but that Obamacare has been an extraordinary deterrent to enterprises of all kinds hiring people.” Under the law, only companies with more than 50 employees must provide health insurance or pay a fine — that’s just 2.6 percent of businesses. If anything, expanding health care coverage to more Americans will actually create hundreds of thousands of new jobs.
    31) “He said he would have by now put forward a plan to reform Medicare and Social Security, because he pointed out they’re on the road to bankruptcy.” The possibility of Medicare going bankrupt is — and historically has been — greatly exaggerated. In fact, if no changes are made, Medicare would still be able to meet 88 percent of its obligations in 2085. Social Security is fully funded for another two decades and could pay 75 percent of its benefits thereafter. There is also an easy way to ensure the program’s long-term solvency without large changes or cuts to benefits.


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