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Defense Secretary Gates Says Legislators, Not Judges, Should Repeal DADT

December 3, 2010 by  

Defense Secretary Gates says legislators, not judges, should repeal DADTU.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates has urged Congress to repeal the policy that bans openly gay individuals from serving in the military.

During a press conference on Nov. 30, Gates cited a Pentagon report that says a repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" will have little long-term risks on the military's effectiveness. Gates warned congressional leaders that if DADT is not repealed by the end of the lame-duck session, the issue will likely end up in Federal courts, which could create more risk to military operations.

Gates said that a judicial decision would be "far more disruptive and hazardous to battlefield readiness" than a congressional change, according to NPR.

Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) is one of the strongest opponents of a repeal. He has criticized the Pentagon's report, saying that fewer than 30 percent of service members were represented in a survey that asked members about their views on gays and lesbians in the military.

On the other hand, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) praised the Defense Department's report, claiming that repeal of the "discriminatory" DADT is "good public policy." Pelosi said that more than 13,000 homosexuals have been discharged from the military because of their sexual preference. 

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  • Doc Sarvis

    I think they said they had 115,000 respondents to the survey, a huge sample to base their recommendations on. I can’t remember which of the brass said; “you don’t have to be straight to shoot straight”. Exactly.

    • Teresa

      Doc, you just don’t get it do you? I mean you truly don’t get it…there is no reason debating this issue with you.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Well Teresa, I DO get it. All of our soldiers since we have had a military have had fellow soldiers who were homosexual. They have served with distinction along with the heterosexual soldiers.

        • scott

          Quote; They have served with distinction along with the heterosexual soldiers.

          Really! Than why should we repeal the law. according to you they are doing just fine now. You crush you own argument.
          Me, I served in the marines for 20 yrs. and I have a different opinion. I can just see two gay marines in the same rack. And if you think that won’t happen, you were not in the military very long if at all. There is more to military life than pulling the trigger. But it seems that these so-called do-gooders can’t apprehend that.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Most units in our Armed Forces have honor, good discipline, respect, and are professional. In those majority of forces there have been no such poor behavior issues and that will remain the case. You are right that there is more to military life than pulling the trigger; the dominant things are those qualities I just referred to. My argument is supported by the presence of those honorable qualities in the vast majority of units making the need for DADT moot and in fact an impediment to a stronger fighting force.

          • Robert Smith

            First scott states contempt at the idea of gays being in combat because of “unit cohesion” issues. Then he comes up with the notion that gays shouldn’t be in non-combat environments either. Let’s watch…

            From Scott: “There is more to military life than pulling the trigger. But it seems that these so-called do-gooders can’t apprehend that.”

            I don’t care if the finger pulling the trigge has polish on it or not. MOF, Joe Namath wore panty hose to stay warm and in Nam they were used to reduce the problems with leeches.

            I guess you would call me a “do gooder” because I think the military is an equal opportunity in America. I think gays and any other miniority you might want to keep out of the military are in the spirit of equality in America entitled to serve. They should be able to get the training offered by the military, the college benefits, and the healh care for vets.

            Why do you promote such unequality in America, Scott? That appears to be unAmerican to me.

            Rob

        • crystal

          No they didn’t.

          • Robert Smith

            Hi Chrystal,

            Are you suggesting that minorities aren’t entitled to be members of our military? Are you suggesting that they shouldn’t get the military training that is valuable to employers after they get out? Are you suggesting that they be denied the assistance for college or the medical benefits?

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry Robert, but gays are not a minority. I am because of race and skin color, so this means that the gays are not an officially recognized minority by the government. Race, religion, and nationality, not behaviour. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

        • Teresa

          Doc, when you have the mentality it takes to serve in the military (and yes it is great) for we do have the greatest in my opinion. But when you allow open gays in the military it henders the mentality of those around. And by saying this I spoke to several of military persons of this matter and got the same reaction from them all. Yes we have gays serving but when they become open about their sexual preferences it makes it more uncomfortable for the others in their unit, their squad, and you can not for one second have to worry about any tension with your fellow brothers or sisters in the military. You do not want to go to line worried about jealous lovers fighting together or worried about your unit as a whole, it breaks the unit. Once the mentality is broken or weakened in the slightest then the structure is broken, not to mention it is for their safety as well. Why can you not see this is nothing but politics, our administration is NOT concerned with military ethics…they are concerned about THEIR agenda period!

          • Doc Sarvis

            You’re telling me that the best military in the world can not do something that other country’s have done with no problem. I can not believe that our military can’t do better what other countries have done. I also can not believe that you think so little of our fighting units that you would think they don’t have that ability.

          • Robert Smith

            From Teresa: “But when you allow open gays in the military it henders the mentality of those around. ”

            Not for me and thousands who participated in the recent poll.

            Why are you making stuff up and denegrading our great military?

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Roberto concorny,
            If you aren’t now serving and I don’t believe you are, you have no say about what happens to active duty personell! So if you participated in the survey your answers arent worth the gaseous air you breathe by having your head shoved so far up your azz!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Teresa and Joe H. 100% agree with you both, fellow patriots. Rob and Doc(?) just don’t understand what it takes to be in the military. Rob said before he served in the navy. Maybe it was on a fairy boat. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! We won last month and will win in November 2012! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        Teresa said: “I mean you truly don’t get it…there is no reason debating this issue with you.”

        But the majority of Americans both in and out of the military supported the change and our military will soon have gays in their ranks and they don’t have to lie anymore.

        Teresa, it is YOU who just doesn’t get a free America. Too bad your religion of threats and fear has you blinded.

        Rob

    • crystal

      Everytime you comment, you’re wrong. Why don’t you read the survey for yourself this time. I read the survey. It didn’t ask any real questions.
      http://timeswampland.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/dadt-survey.pdf
      It was mostly multiple choice. Meaning they supply you with the answers they want to receive back. It was by far designed to fit the LGBT agenda without any consideration or respect to our troops.
      Pathetic…

      • eddie47d

        A couple of years back there was a story about women on a ship in the Indian ocean. All but one of these Navy women became pregnant. I believe heterosexuals can be far more uncontrollable in their urges than any homosexual. So this talk about homosexuals having sex in the foxholes and in the barracks is a little over the top. They could very well be far more in control of themselves. This is not a slam against women in the military but the lack of personal responsibility from either side of a sexual encounter. Sexual encounters should be off base or while on shore leave and please don’t disgrace the uniform.

        • Robert Smith

          I don’t believe you Eddie: “A couple of years back there was a story about women on a ship in the Indian ocean. All but one of these Navy women became pregnant.”

          What ship? What year?

          BTW, I heard abour a religious fundimentalist who shot some doctors. Their names were…

          BTW, I heard about a religious fundimentalist who shot a bunch of people at Ft. Hood. His name was…

          BTW, I heard about some religious fundimentalists who flew airplanes into buildings in N.Y…

          BTW, I hear a bunch of intolerant religious findimentalists, actually I call the “fundies” (fundimentalist without the mental part), around here who just can seem to understand equality in America and whould have denied blacks, and now want to deny gays, a career in our military.

          Yup, those fundies sure seem to be extreme.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Call them what they are rob, moron! They were muslim! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • eddie47d

            Robert; The original article was in the local paper two years back. There was another story on the net that stated that 36 women were pregnant on the USS Acadia (approx. Apl 29th) and were stationed in Persian Gulf. Must be the warm climate! There were 9 cases on the USS James Williams and the skipper was relieved of duty for allowing it to happen.

        • Robert Smith

          About the USS Acadia from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Acadia_(AD-42):
          “In 1991, when the ship returned to San Diego from the deployment, thirty-six women were missing from the ship, the result of medical transfers for pregnancy. Nevertheless, the tender nicknamed the “Love Boat” received the Navy Unit Commendation for her exemplary service during the Gulf War.”

          That would make military service very attractive to me. What’s the problem? How can a “go forth and multiply” religion object to women getting pregnant?

          Rob

        • Robert Smith

          Ah, it all boils down to sex control. Let’s watch Eddie: “Sexual encounters should be off base or while on shore leave and please don’t disgrace the uniform.”

          Sex control for adults beyond assault, rape, and priests doing kids, is up to the individual. Who are you to dictate to another what their sex life is?

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberto
            The last I knew the service was a totalitarian system, to a degree! And IF you served you would know that they CAN and DO control what you do on shore leave! They can put certain establishments off limits, can tell you to be back before others, even put you in the brigg for your actions while on said leave!

          • Robert Smith

            Yes Joe,

            But why is anyone’s sex life anyone’s business, even in the military?

            I agree that people shouldn’t have sex while working (unless it is for Masters & Johnson). That’s universal, it applies to both heterosexual and homosexual. So, if a homosexual has sex the rules should be exactly the same for homosexual.

            For example, if a heterosexual gets a bj and it isn’t a problem for anyone then when a homosexual gets one it shouldn’t be a problem either. That’s called equality under law. Something you appear to be missing.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Not if there is a chance of the gay spreading AIDS to the other individual. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Awwww samurai… Why don’t you buy a few neurons and get some education?

            BTW if you want to reduce AIDS significantly why don’t you advocate that clean needles can be bought so addicts don’t have to share? Just spending a few cents can prevent a new case of AIDS, and it’s not money you have to spend. Let the addict buy their own.

            That is if you want to curb some of the spread of AIDS.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Leave it to you moron to advocate the use of illegal drugs. I have a better solution, why don’t we adopt some of the punishment from other countries dealing with the likes of your kind. The drug users. Maybe we could use an old punishment from my wife’s country. They would sit you in a chair, tie you to the back of the chiar(sitting upright), tie your ahnds to the arms, and tie your feet to the legs of the chair. Then 2 people would stand next to you (one to the left and on the right), take hold of large sticks, and cross them between your legs. Then when tols to start, they would push down on them with all their might. Many people ended up with either broken knees or legs. Needless to say, the people punished in this way tended not to make the same mistake again. Would you like to try it rob? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Sounds more like a muslum effort to me samurai. Of you of all people, I would expect a strong loving tolerant christian response, but allas, it appears you have your own whacked out version of christanity.

            I fear for any kid you have who doesn’t meet such ugly standards as you have set for others.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry moron, but that is how they did things in my wife’s country not so long ago. Also, why do you respond about a month after this post was put into the archives file? Just like a moron to do a little back stabbing. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Warrior

    Gates is nuts. Legislators don’t have time for this nonsense. He obviously doesn’t realize it’s almost tax season and they have to get their personal affairs in order lest they become future Charlie Rangels.

  • http://www.apostolictorahstudies.com Rex

    cc

    • Robert Smith

      No, no, no Rex… It isn’t cc, it’s “Ditto.”

      That’s OK, keep trying you will fit right in around here with the other dittoheads.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Or potheads like you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          A pot head who forms my own opinions.

          Remember, if Rush wants you to have an opinion he will give it to you.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry, but I don’t listen to his show, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • NavMustang

    The only people who have a valid opinion in this matter are those who have actually spent months or years living and working in close quarters on submarines, small ships at sea, or in close combat situations…the warriors whom it will affect; NOT those fat cats with stars on their shoulders, NOT congressmen and senators. And NOT you civilians who drive your BMW’s to your air-conditioned offices every day.

    • Doc Sarvis

      I respect our military and am proud of the best fighting units in the world. I do have a valid opinion.

      • crystal

        No you don’t.

        • Doc Sarvis

          What an argument; what a debater you must be.

          • James in NY

            NavMustang and Crystal feel the only ones who have can have an opinion on this issue are those who agree with their opinion. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion but not his or her own facts. Gays in the military is a non issue. DADT is unconstitutional.

          • Robert Smith

            Sadly there are those from the right who are making it an issue. It’s one of those not thinking red meat issues where they get their marching orders about what to hate and squwak about.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            doc,
            Tell me your experience in the military that gives you a bonafied opine!!! Or is it no experience just spreading BS???

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry James, but it has already passed the test of constitutionality. Also, we tend to agree with them as they are correct in their assumptions. You’re just angry because your gay bretheren can’t force their agenda on the military. Well, boo hoo! Read what Marine Corps Commandant James Amos said about not repealing Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. He said that it would be “A homosexual assult on our armed forces if it is repealed.” Wow! A 4 star Marine breaking ranks with Obama bin Laden and the libs. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “You’re just angry because your gay bretheren can’t force their agenda on the military.”

            The discrimination will stop and DADT will be gone.

            Why do the words “lynching, hate, bigitry, and discrimination” come to mind when you mention ancestors?

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberto concorny,
            you need a class in reading comprehension! samurai said nothing about ancestors in the above post!! Or are YOU doing some of that “reading into” That you claim to hate so much???

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry James, doc, and rob, but DADT is the law of the land and shall not be repealed. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Really Chrystal!

          You proclaim agreement with Mustang that if one doesn’t have specific narrowly defined experience in an issue that an opinion isn’t allowed.

          Do you mean that if I’m not black I can’t support freedoms and equality for blacks? Google “Nathan Rutstin” to get my opinion on that one.

          Rob

    • Robert Smith

      From Mustang: “The only people who have a valid opinion in this matter are those who have actually spent months or years living and working in close quarters on submarines, small ships at sea, or in close combat situations…the warriors whom it will affect”

      Mustangs were some of the few officers I respected. Now you’ve given me a reason to not respect some. Having gone from enlisted to officer I was of the opeinion that they would be more tolerant of those who are different.

      Rob

      • http://naver sook young

        How could you have been an officer? You really don’t sound smart enough to me. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Robert Smith

          Please quit misrepresenting what I say on this forum. I NEVER said I was an officer.

          BTW, my GCT / ARI was in the top 1%.

          Do you even know what that is?

          Ever heard of Intertel?

          Rob

          • Dan az

            Roberta

            So what does this mean (Having gone from enlisted to officer I was of the opeinion that they would be more tolerant of those who are different. ) Your words!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            chirp chirp chirp!!!

          • Robert Smith

            It means that Mustang is implying that he went from enlisted to officer. That is what a Mustang is in the USN.

            I knew several while I was in the USN and of the ones I met they were all more tolerant than what Mustang has turned out to be. Because of that I have difficulty believing that he was such, except that being a mustang is relatively (to enlisted and a regular officer) rare, kinda like Warrant Officer in the Navy. In the Army Warrant officers are more common because they were commissioned as helecopter pilots and such.

            Had you been in the USN you would have easily picked up on what I posted.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberto concorny,
            I don’t think he was the only one that took it that way. The way you posted it I took it that way and I would bet even Claire who edits for a living took it that way as well!!

  • NavMustang

    Unless you have been there you cannot know what you are talking about.

    • Robert Smith

      Mustang, I’ve did my time in the USN during the Nam era. I managed to avoid that and wound up taking video of a Kamov Ka-25 (Hormone) coming in on the ball.

      I say gays aren’t a problem. There, your hate is trumped by my reality.

      Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        What ship???

        • http://naver samurai

          Fairy Boat 69.

          • Robert Smith

            Why have you lied again samurai?

            Oh, I get it, you are trying to make your fellow dittoheads laugh.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            There you go lying again samurai. I’ll bet there is no such name of a boat in the USN.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Do you really have to post twice about the same subject? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Joe H. asks what ship.

          Intrepid.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            What was the ships class, designation, and hull number?

          • Robert Smith

            Awww samurai want’s more information about the Intrepid, CVS-11.

            You can go to: http://ussintrepidfcmassociation.org/default.aspx

            Or you can visit her in N.Y.

            She was based at Quanset Point with the Wasp on the other side of the pier.

            Rob

      • NavMustang

        Rob, you forgot to tell us all (again) that you scored in the top 1% on your GCT/ARI.

        • Robert Smith

          Why don’t you explain what it means.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberto concorny,
            anyone who can read the internet would know what it means, you included!!! That doesn’t make your story anymore truthful!!

          • Robert Smith

            Nor yours.

            Rob

  • http://com i41

    NavMustang, your damn straight on that. Gates the pustlant rear end kisser is quiting in a few months anyway. If Blarney is going get the spot when Gates leaves, to get to attached to Onumnutts posterior. Blarney will have to kick Gates in the ribs several times, break the vacum seal on all beltway senority climbers. Gates is just trying to create another diversion for his jug eared maxist muslim moron that he is always nodding and agreeing with.

    • Robert Smith

      I can’t help but wonder if crack head Bush had some activity on the other side of the tracks when he was stoned.

      Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Roberto locoincabesa
        No,no,no! It was nobummer who by his own words said he tried coke and the other side of the tracks roomies he had in college are now dead!!!

        • Robert Smith

          At least Obama was honest about his drug use BEFORE he was elected. That shows how the American people were more accepting of an honest man running than the right wing nuts who ran against him.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Bet you said the same thing about Klintoon as well! ” I smoked but I didn’t inhale”! Right!!!! and all the time demonstrating against this nation on foreign soil!!

          • Robert Smith

            Did they ever find Bush’s REAL military record and the reason he didn’t take the drug tests he was supposed to?

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberta concorny,
            bush volentarily showed his ACTUAL military record! the fake one was the one the lib/progressive reporter tried to pass off to the world as real! the one the reporter had was typed on a machine never used at the time that bush was in service!! any more BS you want debunked???

          • http://naver samurai

            Joe H. everything he posts is BS. Those are his middle initials you know. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy 131

    History will remember Gates as the Secretary of Defense that destroyed the greatest and most powerful military in history. Force on people what they don’t like or want and they just leave. I wish he would stay at his position to over-see the new draft that is going to have to be instituted for our military to reach its personel goal numbers to meet its global commitments. Draftees instead of volunteers will cause a great decline in morale, cohesiveness, efficiency, and pride in our military, which in turn will create a much less effective fighting force for the protection of America and her people. If Bush new your true feelings, I wonder if he would have ever appointed you, but at least now I understand why Obama kept you on.

    • Robert Smith

      Awww shucks Randy…

      You posted: “Force on people what they don’t like or want and they just leave.”

      They said the same thing about blacks and it didn’t happen. Can you show us ANY military organization that has suffered such a consequence? BTW, the Salvation Army doesn’t count because for religious reasons they are bigoted against gays by policy.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Not accepting their lifestyle isn’t being prejudied against them, but gay trying to force their lifestyle on others is immoral and unethical. We do have the rights, endowed by our Creator of life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness, but that doesn’t give them the right to adversely affect some else’s rights to the same. They’re just trying to force their ways on us so they can get benefits from the state and federal governments, but since their ways are not the right ways, it’ll never happen. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • DJ

          By your own beliefs aren’t YOU trying to force YOUR lifestyle on others? Who has forced their lifestyle on you personally?

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry DJ, what I said is true and cannot be disputed. I remember there was a female soldier who bragged about having a girlfriend and gave explicit details about what they did together. I told her to be quiet or I’ll start Article 15 actions against her. I even told her that she could be discharged from the army. Well, the soldier in question didn’t seem to care and after a couple of weeks, I turned in paperwork to her company commander. Needless to say, the soldier was drummed out of the service with a dishonorable discharge and rightfully so. That gay BS has no place in the military or in the public view. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            I’ll bet you never had trouble listening to a guy bragging about a night before.

            MOF I could even believe that you did some bragging yourself.

            BTW, do you know you don’t have to evesdrop on others?

            Wow! I do hope someone rats you out one day. Someone denies you a career simply because they don’t like YOUR lifestyle.

            Remeber, judge not or be judged yourself.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but I suggest you take some of your own advice. If you read my post, you would have known I said she was talking about it openly and not keeping it secret. If she would have kept it secret, then I wouldn’t have known about it, wouldn’t have to quote the regulation to her, order her to shut up with that garbage, and have to write her up. I gave her a choice on what to do and she made the wrong one. While in the army I couldn’t ask someone if they were gay, but if they volunteered information, then I could do something about it. I know this rob, since we had to have a class every year dealing with DADT and sexual harassment. We had to sign a paper for the batallion commander. I never went lokking through trash cans or anything, but I just told my troops to keep anything unprofessional to themselves. Only bring to work what you’re suppossed to bring. Your boots, uniform, equipment, professionalism, and a mature, responsible mind set. Anything else keep it at home. Unlike you rob, you like to air your laundry in public. Remember rob, you said that you do illegal drugs. If I found out where you lived, I can make copies of what you admitted to and give it to the local law enforcement officials in your town. I’m sure they would be happy. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • crystal

    I read the survey. It didn’t ask the real questions. http://timeswampland.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/dadt-survey.pdf
    It was mostly multiple choice. Meaning you supply the answers you want to receive back. It was by far designed to fit the LGBT agenda without any consideration or respect to our troops.
    Pathetic…

    • eddie47d

      Crystal; Please keep your overt prejudices to yourself. The troops will do just fine if their morals are intact and are taught to trust one another. It comes down to respect no matter who is next to you on the battlefield.

      • RedViking

        TAUGHT to trust one another????

        They should already trust one another!!!

        The reversal of DADT will severly break that trust.

        How much of the Kool-Aid have you people Drank???

        • Robert Smith

          I’ve had a lot of Kool-Aid without any problem.

          Are you talking about Jim Jones and his myth? The fact is that they drank cyanide-laced grape flavored Flavor Aid (often misidentified as Kool-Aid).

          Seems like the right wing can’t even get an insult right. Google “Jim Jones and Kool-Aid.”

          Facts really are helpful.

          Rob

          • crystal

            Jim Jones was strongly supported by one of your types “Harvey Milk.” You know who Harvey Milk is — the sexual predator.

          • Robert Smith

            Yes, although he wasn’t a predator he WAS in the USN.

            “After graduation, Milk joined the United States Navy during the Korean War. He served aboard the submarine rescue ship USS Kittiwake (ASR-13) as a diving officer. He later transferred to Naval Station, San Diego to serve as a diving instructor.[5] In 1955, he was discharged from the Navy at the rank of lieutenant, junior grade.” (from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Milk#Trial“)

            You going to put up a twinki defense for trying to smear him?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but being a sexual preditor wipes out all those honorable things he did in the past. I’m sure a good judge would see it that way also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • crystal

        As I stated, I read the survey — you obviously didn’t. It was one-sided and the lie was dispelled at the hearings this week.

    • Robert Smith

      Shucks crystall, how can you be so opposed to other minorities when you yourself claim to be a minority?

      But the, the extreme religious right is also a minority.

      Maybe hate is genetic.

      Rob

      • crystal

        Maybe you’re an ass! No I take that back, no maybe’s. Get off the liberal bandwagon with all the stereotypical beliefs about other races. It gets on our nerves.

  • RedViking

    The really funny thing about ALL of this is… Congress can’t do ANYTHING about it…. Neither can the courts… D.A.D.T. was an EXECUTIVE ORDER… The only thing that can Countermand that is another EXECUTIVE ORDER.

    Of Course O’BUMMER won’t do that as it would Completely PISS-OFF the Military and would completely torpedo any chance he has of getting re-elected… not thwat his chances are getting any better with everything else he is doing.

    • eddie47d

      Doing away with DADT won’t break any trust and should make it easier and alot more honest.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        and it will make eddduuuhh a lot happier when he stands outside the gates of his favorite post!!!

        • eddie47d

          The Queer bait-er raises his ugly head again. Are you and Samurai a member of the same comedy club or are you really overtly challenged on sexual issues.

          • Dan az

            Whats that was that edduh trying to speak?Take your head out of your posterior before you form an opinion!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Dan az,
            It was kinda muffled even though it was typed, wasn’t it???

          • Dan az

            Joe the only reason that I knew it was special ed was from the stench.

          • Robert Smith

            Hi eddie,

            I see that you got no response but school boy digs and jabs from the extreme right to the issues you presented.

            IMO it’s too bad that they either don’t understand the issues, or they are just so hateful that they can’t even respond to them when they come up. Truly a flock of true believers in the spirit of Eric Hoffer.

            And, regardless of how great the sheppard is the flock still gets sheered or eaten. I can’t help but wonder if they have any idea what’s going to happen to them. Rush seems to be dining fairly well.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberta concorny,
            you and eddduuuhhh! must be bunk mates I see one is never far from the other!!

          • http://naver samurai

            I’m not overtly challenged. I just know that heterosexual is the normal way and gays are not. If the gay lifestyle is so great, why does the gay community have a higher percentage of AIDS then groups outside their community? Why does God say that such people will burn in fire and brimstone when they die? Why do they cause lack of trust and breakdown morale in military units? Can you answer my questions, edduh? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • DJ

            Eddie, I don’t know if they are members of the same comedy club, but they are part of some sort of club where you have to be pathetic to be a member.

          • DJ

            Eddie, I don’t know if they are members of the same comedy club, but they are part of some sort of club where you have to be pathetic know it all to be a member.

          • http://naver samurai

            If we didn’t listen to your first post, why repeat yourself moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Jim W.

    Mr. Gates has proven more times than I can count that he is nothing but a mouthpiece for who ever fills the oval office. He is worthless as the defense secretary because he has no backbone. The survey that was presented to the service member had no straight questions and was written in such a manner that the answers could be arranged to mean anything that the administration wanted so that Mr Obama and the democrats could justify shoving radical gays into the military.

    • DennisC

      Thank you,
      I could not have said it better.
      Bottom line is, this is about guy votes for the Obama, who may have had a ride on the pole himself at one time or another ???? or maybe even now ???? Who knows ???? he hides All about himself.

      • Robert Smith

        Dennis, do you realize that a percentage of homophobes are actually in a self loathing state because deep down they know they themselves are gay?

        Rob

        • Dan az

          Roberta still speaking from experience?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Dan az,
            Quit picking on roberta he’s a fairy nice guy!!!

          • Dan az

            Joe LOL!

        • Robert Smith

          Notice folks!

          NO comment about the issue, simply juvinile responses to the notion that a percentage of homophobes are really self loathing and denying their own homosexual desires.

          IMO it’s either that or they are juviniles. They certainly don’t want to discuss the possibility that they might be gay themselves.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberta,
            I’m probably at least as old as you!! YOU, however are probably about 22 or 23 at most and your line of BS is what we used to call PX heroes!!

        • crystal

          The days of calling someone a homosexual because they disagree with you are over. Nobody’s buying into that theory anymore.

        • http://naver samurai

          Voice of experience again rob? Sorry rob, I may not like the gay agenda, but I really do like women. Especially since I’ve been married to one for 25 years. Now if you’re saying that you swing that way, just make sure your careful and get AIDS. If you end up dying from it, I won’t come and save you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Yes samurai, death for those you disagree with. You’ve stated that before. How christian of you.

            Your god apparently lets his followers burn in hell if they don’t ask just the right thing at just the right time, but you say he loves you. It appears you love just like him.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry moron, but if someone has a different opinion than I do I don’t advocate for the person to die. I just said that to you because you’re an ass, a rather big one indeed. So I guess I can tell you: “Gee rob, how atheist of you.” See how stupid that sounds. It’s the same thing when you say “smack” on this site. Grow up and get a life! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Robert Smith

      Jim says: “Mr. Gates has proven more times than I can count that he is nothing but a mouthpiece for who ever fills the oval office. ”

      Let’s see… You appear to be upset that Gates is working for and accountable to the Commander in Chief?

      I wouldn’t want it any other way. It’s called the “Chain of Command.” A military concept you appear to have missed. According to Mustang you shouldn’t be addressing the issue at all.

      Rob

      • NavMustang

        Robert, you seem to have something to say about everything, all of it wrong. But all in all, not bad for someone who can’t even spell “opinion.”

        • Robert Smith

          Awww Mustang, you haven’t introduced any more facts to the issues. Looks to me like you are intellectually bankrupt.

          When you can do more than spell check I may pay attention.

          Rob

          • NavMustang

            Why would I want to argue with an idiot? Its just laughable that you put yourself up as intelligent when you can’t even spell.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Mustang… My GCT / ARI was in the top 1%. Spelling is so old school and a refuge for those who don’t want to hear real information and thoughts.

            Why don’t you deal with the issues I bring up? Quite frankly I think it’s quite cowardly when one stoops to questioning spelling when there are real issues on the table. You resolve it with name calling and stoop with the rest of the nasty christians around here.

            And YES! I do have opinions formed with real experiece about some issues and lots of reading about others. Then I process it in the context of being an American who respects the freedom for all, not just those who I might share a religion with. Too bad you are going along with the dittoheads and worrying about spelling.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Mustang,
            At least that’s what he tells em’ down at the surplus store!!!

      • crystal

        Gates is a political General. Meaning, his career comes before all forms of decency.

    • AL B Tross

      Jim, what does ” having no straight questions” means??

      What Doctorate, or certificate do you hold, or even to what research can you refer, that defines “straight” questions from “gay” questions??

      Or, more to my point, who made you the judge, jury and executioner?

      Your behavior could be interpreted to be Authoritarian, demonstrated by paranoia, an overwhelming fear of minorities, and ambiguity, and an irrational submission to convention, and to perceived authority.

      Here is a 30 year study proving my argument. Empirical research, independent and peer reviewed.

      http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

      I am tired of individuals concerns and unsubstanciated, irrational fears taking precedence over National security.

      • Robert Smith

        But their hateful gawwwwwwwd tells them with interpritations and the scoop from Rush.

        • http://naver samurai

          Tooooooooooooo much kool aid today! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • eddie47d

    I wouldn’t worry about gays in the military for there are enough of you nuts out there. It would be very hard for them to top you’re degrading comments.

  • http://com i41

    Ib Indian culrure queer indians were not alllowed to fighton, and only did woman’swork like gathering nuts and berries and chewed on hides. They didn’t a lesbo problem, they all just got screwed straight. Queer Indians didn’t rank very high in the tribe, less than women, because women ordered them around just like a captive. Gates might be a little light in he slippers to.

    • Robert Smith

      You may be correct for some tribes influenced by the religion of the invaders (christian europeans) but before all that there was the “Two Spirit” honor.

      You can google it and find a source you can accept.

      Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Roberta,
        that was true of quite a few of the Iriquoi tribes before the white man ever entered their life! Check YOUR facts!!

  • DJ

    Those of you who don’t want gay people serving in the military need to just stop whining about it like a little girl! Oh poor you! Grow up and be a man and not a baby! And don’t flatter yourself to think that they would want you anyway!

    • Robert Smith

      DJ says to the homophobic around here: “Grow up and be a man and not a baby!”

      But [sniff sniff] those big bad military gays just might see their pee pee in the shower. They just can’t handle that.

      Considering that gays at most are 10% of the overall population that says to me that 9 straight military men should be able to keep them in line IF they do something wrong, which is seldom reported and often made up. They just want to run away from the military and hide their pee pees.

      Rob

      • DJ

        I enjoyed your reply, as well as the other comments I see you make on the other various topics. You seem like an open minded and level headed individual. We need more of those in this day and age. I would imagine a lot of the phobic crowd on here deal with people on a daily basis who happen to be gay, they just don’t know it. And they probably even like them. (well, as long as they don’t look at their pee pees)

        • Robert Smith

          Thank you DJ.

          I find it kinda dumb that the right is attempting to define me.

          I can stick up for women without being one.

          I can stick up for blacks without being one.

          I can stick up for American Indians and not be one.

          In short, I think respect should be given to all.

          And I believe that choice in most things is correct for most adults.

          Rob

          • crystal

            As a woman who happens to be black, please don’t stick up for me!!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Roberta Butt,
            As an American male AND part Native American, PLEASE don’t stick up for me either!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Most things, but being gay isn’t one of them. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • DJ

            To crystal and Joe H, why do you choose to act so freaking rude? And I don’t think Robert was including you when he mentioned sticking up for people. You seem to be stuck up enough for everyone.

          • http://naver sook young

            Actually you sound like the one who is rude. Have we taken our meds today? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • crystal

        You’re completely disrespectful of our military (just like Obama). The military doesn’t need the crap that the homosexual agenda is trying to lay down. I lived in the barracks. No it doesn’t work. Majority of the lesbians in my barracks were bullies. They had no problem calling a Black Marine “a Nigger.” I lived with this. This is not like going to a job and then going home. People in the barracks have to live with this nightmare.

        • NavMustang

          Exactly, Crystal. Thank you for saying that. I have never met a homosexual who did not have a bullying nature and an acid tongue – as all of us can see from the posts on here by the likes of Robert.
          Robert and ED, you guys are not smart. You live in La-la land. Get a life and quit trying to turn the military into your own special party time.

          • Robert Smith

            Awww muskrat why don’t I just slinging garbage and lies like samurai and the rest of the reich wing do?

            BTW, why are you so afraid a gay person might see your pee pee? Not tough enough to take it?

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Robert are you saying that a gay person sees your “pee pee” every day? Not a real patriot. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

        • Robert Smith

          Awww crystal, why din’t you just out them like samurai did? It think it’s kinda sneaky and underhanded to have such a thing happen hey if you want to be a creep why not be honest about it?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            I gave her a choice and two weeks to comply, moron! I think that was good enough, don’t you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • crystal

        Homosexuals are not 10% of the population. They are only 10% in the few cities that they have created communities.

        • DJ

          You are totally incorrect. People are people. No matter what they do with their private parts as and with another consenting adult. I live in a rural community. There are gay people here and no one gives a rat’s rear. They are judged on their character and nothing else. They are great people.

          • http://naver samurai

            And another lie from the extreme left! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • DJ

            Scamurai, you couldn’t be more wrong. Actually, I think you were more wrong up the page a bit. Since you don’t know my neighbors personally you don’t know what the hell you are talking about, as usual.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well dj, let’s see what your people do if they start doing things in public, like many of them want to do. Ergo, you are the one that is wrong. Go back to church and find out what God says about gays. Especially read Leviticus 20 verse 13. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          hey chrysta, here’s a fact for you… Actually here are a bunch of facts for you: http://www.gallup.com/poll/6961/What-Percentage-Population-Gay.aspx

          There is the water of knowledge, it’s up to you to drink it. BTW, it wasn’t Cool-Aid the christians at Jonestown drank.

          Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry Robert, but Jim Jones was not a Christian. He was a false prophet that lead people away from God for his own goals. If you don’t know that, then you really are a lot less inteligent then you seem to be on this site. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Perhaps Gates like his boss is a flamer. Robert Smith seems to be a little light in the loafers to.

    • Dan az

      Gunny
      with all this pee pee from roberta there must be more than a little light in the loafers dont ya think?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Nah, just a little sugar in his tank!!!!!

        • DJ

          gunner, dan, & joe, teacher told me to tell that recess is over and it’s time to get back into the classroom. She said you’ll have to stand in the corner for picking on people again.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DJ,
            What’s the matter? Your femine sensibilities being hurt??? Gee I’m only funnin!! Not!

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Poor DJ, we hurt it’s feelings. Next time leave them at home and they won’t get hurt. You sound like one of those types who hate the ” watch dogs ” until you need them, except in this case you want the watch dogs to be toy poodles.

          • http://naver samurai

            When it comes to sucks, are you speaking with the voice of experience again like rob? Are you two bunking up in the same foxhole? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • James

    What’s missing is America’s history on homosexuality. The United States was pollutated and founded by white Christians. Of the Founding Fathers, two were Catholic and the rest were Protestant. They believed the Bible was the inspired word of God, and if God said doing this or that was a sin then such sin was made a crime or misdemeanor in State laws.
    Leviticus 20:13 reads: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”
    This cardinal sin thus became a crime in U.S. law. Then in 2003, the U.S. Supreme Court (Lawrence v. Texas) held that men have the right to have sex with each other. Elevating homosexual acts to a constitutional right thus voided all state laws which criminalized it.
    However, that decision didn’t void God’s law and Christians still view it as a montrous sin, and I’m sure that includes Christian soldiers.
    The Don’t Ask Don’t Tell law was designed to protect homosexuals from that biblical background. If it is repealed, and Christian soldiers know who of those among them are homosexuals, they would avoid contact with them, or worse. In their minds a decision of the Supreme Court doesn’t alter what thus saith the Lord, they would be forced to choose between their God and men. Not a pleasant thought.

    • DJ

      James, this may help give you a different perspective on what the Bible says regarding Leviticus. It’s a 5 minute video. Please watch.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h58RR1a–So&feature=player_embedded

      • James

        DJ, I just watched it, the Reverend is obviously a very passionate man, and apparently believes that all sins should be forgiven in this life. To the man that Jesus had healed, He said: “Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee” (John 5:14). Concerning capital offenses, 1 John 5:16 reads: “If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.”
        Concerning God’s Law, Jesus said (Mt. 5:18-19): For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
        The Reverend you referrenced was obviously trying to find a way around all of that. Why God’s wants practicing homosexuals removed from his kingdom isn’t stated, but we have, and are, seeing some of the possible reasons. Homosexuals are now having sexual encounters in public parks, which heterosexuals now avoid. They are teaching their students to practice this sin, and if absolutely successful would end the Adamic children’s existence.

  • crystal

    I watched the hearings on DADT this week. I was wondering how General Amos would implement the repeal when front line combat Marines are also dependent upon blood to save their lives if wounded. In an article at the http://www.fda.gov it states that, “Surgeon General (C. Everett Koop, Surgeon General 1982-1989) has said, “Condoms provide some protection, but anal intercouse is simply too dangerous to practice.” Condoms may be more likely to break during anal intercourse than during other types of sex because of the greater amount of friction and other stresses involved. Even if the condom doesn’t break, anal intercourse is very risky because it can cause tissue in the rectum to tear and bleed. These tears allow disease germs to pass more easily from one partner to the other.

    Now with the increased risk of HIV passing through anal intercourse, how can we implement that which will destroy our Marine Corps? Will this be part of the education plan, to warn Marines about blood? Or will the education implementation plan be homosexual sided with many facts being left out (as usual)?

    During the last presidential campaign when Obama was in Colorado Springs, Colorado (07/02/2008) campaigning, he stated, “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

    Am I the only one who this strikes a bad nerve?

    In addition, how can a military chaplain serve God and bow to homosexuals at the same time?

    Just asking!!!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Crystal,
      I like the way yo7u express yourself!! I turn 60 this month and in all those years not one homosexual has been able to show me one place in the Bible where it says the practice of such is ok! So they just do as roberta and deny that God exhists!! Makes it easier to put value where there is none as well!! They also try to insult anyone that believes in God and that the Bible is his devine word but they just don’t realize that a christian that is strong in their beliefs can not be insulted in that way!! Yes, I have been a little strong on him here and I’m not usually that bad but he is the one that started the insults and like I have said here before, I return what I get!

      • DJ

        Well Joe, the world isn’t here to justify itself to you.

    • DJ

      Your assumption that being homosexual is all about having anal sex and nothing else is the height of true ignorance. Educating yourself on what really goes on in the world would truly be beneficial to you.

      • http://naver samurai

        Sorry dj, but if you read what General James Amos said you would think differently. “Stop the homosexual assult on the military.” I guess a 4 star marine don’t count for anything, huh? By the way you sound, I think you must be gay also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        Oh, my wife Sook Young says she’s going to pray for you so you don’t end up in a very hot place when you pass on.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        As to your point of anal sex; what kind of human being would put his “manhood” in another orfice designed for defication? Is that normal to you or is it as it truly is, a sick perversion. It is possible to love your friends of the same sex but to lust for them in a sexual way is deviant behavior which has no place in a normal society.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        If it wasn’t for the sexual perversion it would be just hanging out with your buddies.

    • Robert Smith

      crystal, you pointed out: ““Surgeon General (C. Everett Koop, Surgeon General 1982-1989″

      His appointment by Reagan was a political pay-off to the extreme anti-abortion right. Koop had been a long time activist and liar for the anti-abortion for a long time before he got the appointment.

      Rob

      • http://naver sook young

        Still advocating for something that psychlogically traumatizes women. You still haven’t learned from the last posting I gave you on an earlier post? “A man that refuses to learn has a stagnant mind.” Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

    • James

      Crystal, the fact that President Obama suggested a ‘civilian national police force’ should alarm us all.

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