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Dangerous, Illegal And Common

April 25, 2013 by  

Dangerous, Illegal And Common
Kermit Gosnell is on trial in Philadelphia.

If Stephen King, Dean Koontz and William Peter Blatty were locked in a room with a laptop, the collected works of Edgar Allen Poe and a truckload of Bogota, Colombia’s finest nose candy, I’m not sure they could come up with something quite as horrifying as a regular business day at the abortion clinic and house of horrors run by accused murderer Kermit Gosnell. And if three titans of terror did manage to produce a tale as twisted as any Tuesday at the Women’s Medical Society of Philadelphia, I doubt I would let them out afterward.

Yet I’m left wondering how this real-life slasher film could even have unfolded. After all, the Democrats and their anti-life allies have been insisting for decades that rendering abortion “safe, legal and rare” would eliminate just this sort of thing. No more untrained and possibly deranged pseudo-doctors committing unspeakable acts in back alleys. No more of those crude coat-hanger abortions they claimed ran rampant before Roe took out Wade.

How then to explain the litany of abuses that trail “Dr.” Gosnell throughout his decades-long career in the sub-basement of modern medicine’s worst tenement? In an age during which not only do the anti-lifers mingle with lawmakers but they often are the lawmakers, how could Gosnell’s crimes have been committed, much less gone unreported? According to the grand jury report, Gosnell:

[R]egularly and illegally delivered live, viable, babies in the third trimester of pregnancy — and then murdered these newborns by severing their spinal cords with scissors… he overdosed his patients with dangerous drugs, spread venereal disease among them with infected instruments, perforated their wombs and bowels — and, on at least two occasions, caused their deaths.

According to witness testimony, one baby who survived an abortion “was like swimming” in the toilet. “Basically, trying to get out.” The same witness later recounted Gosnell joking about one victim being “big enough that it (sic) could walk to the store or the bus stop.” Hey, if you’re going to run an abortion mill with the hygiene of a Third World abattoir, at least you should have a sense of humor about it, right? At least Gosnell wasn’t doing anything incredibly creepy, like keeping trophies of his victims in jars or participating in an abortion experiment that would give Josef Mengele the heebie-jeebies.

Could not one of the millions of dollars in taxpayer funding handed over to abortion-cover group Planned Parenthood be spared to ensure Gosnell’s freak show was reported? It certainly had enough cash on hand after the Gloria Steinem-headlined fundraiser it held scant miles away from Gosnell’s clinic. According to Planned Parenthood, its Southeastern Pennsylvania’s 17th Annual Spring Gathering with Keynote Speaker Gloria Steinem sold out the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia.

Could Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius not have taken a day away from lying about the cost increases in Obamacare to send an inspector by to at least check the plumbing? From the grand jury report:

James Johnson, who supposedly cleaned the clinic and bagged its infectious waste, confirmed [clinic employee Latosha] Lewis’s account. He testified that sometimes patients “miscarried or whatever it was” into the toilet and clogged it.

No other species on the planet kills its own young as a matter of simple convenience. No dolphin mommies drown their little Flippers to go clubbing with the barracuda and his posse. No queen ant chows down on her own little antlets because she has no time to feed them. Even when the major predators go after their own kind, the mothers will die to protect their cubs, not douse them in steak sauce and serve them with garnish. Yet some humans — the masterwork produced by more than 4 billion years of animals fighting desperately to survive — will not only kill their children rather than deal with the hassle of raising them; they’ll let Gosnell handle the wet work.

Instead of “safe, legal and rare,” the abortionists have created a death culture that includes Gosnell’s Philadelphia freak show, the Women’s Health Center of Philadelphia: definitely unsafe, probably illegal and depressingly common.

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • KG

    I know that you have used hyperbole to describe Mr. Kermits case, mostly to enrage and tickle the fancy of “pro-life” antiabortionists. However, have you bothered to mention the many new ways we kill babies in the organization these people have no problem in supporting? I’m talking about the Military. You never hear of the soldiers who pointed radar dishes at houses and “microwaved” whole families alive? Or when we dropped bombs on these people in the middle of the night to blow-up their children? While if Mr. Kermit did do something illegal, then I hope he gets what he deserves, However, do not be so selective in demonizing certain people just to get an emotional response to make your case so “holy.” After all, we are ALL responsible for the babies we killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    • Vigilant


      “[R]egularly and illegally delivered live, viable, babies in the third trimester of pregnancy — and then murdered these newborns by severing their spinal cords with scissors… he overdosed his patients with dangerous drugs, spread venereal disease among them with infected instruments, perforated their wombs and bowels — and, on at least two occasions, caused their deaths.”
      That’s not hyperbole, that’s from the Grand Jury,

      • Flashy

        And that is why he is facing multiple counts of murder…has nothing to do with women’s choice…but the wacked crazy contingent will claim it does…

        • Jim S

          Women’s choice is whether to have sex or not. Women’s choice is whether to use birth control or not to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. Women’s choice is not whether to murder an innocent baby in the womb because she failed to make the appropriate “women’s choice” before getting pregnant.

        • The Snarf

          Those women made the choice to go there.Karma’s a b**ch sometimes.

    • speedle24

      No Karl Marx, I have not heard of soldiers pointing radar dishes at houses “microwaving whole families”. Perhaps you can tell us all about it.

      • Greg Murphy

        Like that is verifiable.

    • The Snarf

      And what of the women and children in Pakistan and elsewhere,that become acceptable ‘collateral damage’ of Obama’s drone strikes? Nothing to say about them since it’s ‘the one’ doing it?

  • peter

    Disgusting! Wonder what his parents were thinking when they made plans to coceive this hideous excuse for a human. I think he should be skinned alive, chopped upand fed to the baby alligators! Np trial – just get rid of the vermin. Put on trial those who protect these kinds of criminals, whether by opinion or by establishing laws to protect the scum!

  • Bob666

    if you make abortion illegal, there will be more just like him.

    • Capritalist at Birth

      Can you prove that, or is that pure conjecture on your part? Just like all progressives it is a false argument, similar to the proposal that our economy would have been worse without all of the Government intervention. You cannot prove that contention, either, can you? Looking back at history your contention can be disproved.

      • Bob666

        Can I prove this.. well, lets look at this guy. He is shady guy who performed a service poorly. I have to believe that you would agree with that statement CAB. When you drive abortion into the “back alley” then you will have just as many people performing that service, but unregulated and by people who may probably be unqualified. Remember something called Prohibition of alcohol?
        if you make abortion illegal, the need for abortion will not go away-it will be driven underground and guys like this will become the standard. are you saying this is incorrect?

        By the way CAB, I’m not a “progressive” and why the hostility?

        • Vigilant

          “He is shady guy who performed a service poorly.”

          Good God, it’s that particular manner of euphemizing MURDER of innocent babies (not even foetuses, born babies) that most clearly demonstrates the abject lack of humanity in people such as yourself.

          “performed a service poorly?” That’s a despicable way of putting it. It’s like saying that because Hitler wasn’t successful in exterminating all the Jews, he merely “performed a service poorly.”

          • Flashy

            Vig…in a rare case, we agree. What the guy did was murder…plain and simple (if the facts are as alleged…which I have no doubt, but we still have to allow the Jury to decide). Viable when taken from the womb? At times, breathing and whimpering? yeah…hard to say it isn’t murder…

          • Vigilant

            Thank you, Flashy, I’m glad we agree on that.

          • Flashy

            Vig..anyone who read the Grand jury report should get the heebie jeebies. The case isn’t about abortion…it’s about multiple murders, plain and simple.

          • Bob666

            Are we a bit emotional on this Vigilant?
            “He is shady guy who performed a service poorly” As a doctor, he sucks-do you not agree? Abortion is a service, you may not like or agree with that service, but it happens all over the world every day.

            “clearly demonstrates the abject lack of humanity in people such as yourself” if you pull your head out of your rear end-there will be a popping sound.

            ” That’s a despicable way of putting it. It’s like saying that because Hitler wasn’t successful in exterminating all the Jews, he merely “performed a service poorly.””
            I have to disagree with you since Hitler killed six million people with great effectiveness and efficiency. Just because I recognize this fact does not for a minute mean that I agreed with or support what Hitler did.
            The problem here is that you lack the rational ability or objectivity to have this discussion.

          • Vigilant

            Just the kind of reply I expected from you. You prove my point about the surliness and insensitivity of people like you.

            OF COURSE it’s an emotional issue! Hell, it wouldn’t be controversial if it weren’t. “Rational ability or objectivity” play little part in deciding whether to take the life of a human being. It’s a matter of differing moral perspectives, as I said earlier.

            You cannot hide your insensitivity behind a 2+2=4 argument. To paraphrase, the problem here is that you lack the heart and soul to have this discussion.

          • Bob666

            No Vigilant,
            ” you lack the heart and soul to have this discussion”.

            No, My heart and soul are in fine shape. I just do not get caught up in the laws of human nature as people will do what people do.

            The only thing that you got right in your post is; I go to bed every night with the security that 2+2 will in fact =4 the next day.

          • Vigilant

            Bob says, “I have to disagree with you since Hitler killed six million people with great effectiveness and efficiency.”
            And abortion quacks have killed many tens of millions of fetuses with great effectiveness and efficiency. Apparently, that sits just fine with you. It DOESN’T sit fine with many millions of people in this country.

          • Bob666

            Yo Vigilant,
            As Ronald Regan use to say-“There you go again”.
            “Apparently, that sits just fine with you” you know what happens when people make assumptions don’t you?

        • Greg Murphy

          To compare murder with the prohibition of alcohol is proof of your Progressiveness. I don’t think that is a reasonable analogy. Do you? Drinking affects (usually) only the drinkers well being. Murdering an unborn child is immoral, whether you deem it legal or not. I became a Father at the age of 19 in 1968 when abortion was illegal. The subject was broached by my parents and hers. I rejected that immediately without any thought, because I have strong moral values. Evidently you do not.

          • Bob666

            “To compare murder with the prohibition of alcohol is proof of your Progressiveness” I hear that popping sound again.

            Pull your head out for just a minute. Prohibition of alcohol did NOT stop consumption! On the contrary, it brought a whole new black market to supply demand.

            Banning abortion would bring the same exact social model and there is no rational argument that you can make to dispute this fact. This statement does not mean that I support abortion, what it means is; I accept that prohibition of any product or service never works.

        • SavaDude

          “He is shady guy who performed a service poorly.”
          Wow. Really, Bob?
          This isn’t a plumber that overcharges and doesn’t finish the job.
          But, considering your staunch ideological positions, I am not surprised that you would elevate this living piece of human refuse to something that makes it more palatable because his profession is something that works with your politics.

          • Bob666

            “considering your staunch ideological positions” Really, what is “staunch” about my statement???? Your whole ideology is far more “staunch”, I am just stating the facts.

    • chief1937

      That is a crock.Remember when they said passing Roe v Wade would stop botched and alley abortions just look at the results of that.What we have now is just as bad or maybe worse than that.Wake up people it’s time to stop this madness of killing our children.

      • Karolyn

        Puhleez! Do you really think that women would stop having abortions just because it was made illegal? Of course, there would be stand-up doctors who would defy the law, but I wouldn’t doubt that many women would probably resort to the old coat hanger method.

        • Flashy

          Karolyn…the wacked right will use this crime as ‘proof’..and apply it across the board. then , when a killing spree by a gunman using an assault type weapon occurs, the guy killing more because he doesn’t have to reload…they’ll switch without blinking and scream it was a huge exception and making the semi assault rifle and background checks wouldn’t have prevented it.

          Avoidance of responsibility…that’s their trademark these days. it’s everyone else’s fault and blame.

          • Vigilant

            ” when a killing spree by a gunman using an assault type weapon occurs, the guy killing more because he doesn’t have to reload…they’ll switch without blinking and scream it was a huge exception…”
            Are you claiming it’s the NORM?

          • Flashy

            Just as folks here are claiming this murderer is the norm…

          • Vigilant

            So you admit you believe mass kilings to be the norm.

          • Flashy

            LOL…Vig…try again. Mass killings are not the norm, but with reasonable oversight of purchases and a ban on some of the weaponry available (or a special license requirement), they would be reduced in number and in fatalities. Just as keeping choice lawful, and given oversight in the late terms…trash such as this murderer are rare.

            As it stands, this case is the exception, not the norm. And it is an exception i believe because abortion is legal and available…not back yard alley butchers which this guy would have been.

            Think about it…had abortion been illegal, this guy never would have been caught.

          • Vigilant

            “Think about it…had abortion been illegal, this guy never would have been caught.”

            That’s one highly presumptuous statement. By your logic, all murderers would have gone free because they “never would have been caught.”

            YOU think about that, Flashy.

          • The Snarf

            Flasher, I’ve seen a post on here,a few times,bringing up the shooters,that is easily verifiable.They were all liberal Democrats,the same party that protected Gosnell for decades, until word leaked out,and it was expedient to turn against him.Interesting that you libs continually try to drag the right into thins they have nothing to do with,but admittedly,proglodytes are very good at projection and manipulating facts.

          • SavaDude

            Yet you hold responsible law abiding gun owners for the crimes of the minuscule percentage that use guns for evil…..
            I used to get angry reading the silly crap you boneheads would post on this forum. Then it amused me.
            Now I find it impossibly fascinating to see so many people that are so staunchly entrenched in their ideologies, they never recognize their own hypocrisy. I have also noted that even when absolute facts – no political opinion or conjecture – are presented, these people further dig into their position rather than being open to the possibility that there may be a better idea. For example, the FACT that background checks DO NOT prevent such crimes. It is completely curious to me that you so firmly believe that somehow criminals would submit to one, and if they wouldn’t, there is no way they could get a gun. TRULY fascinating.

          • Bob666

            As a responsible gun owner, I expect society to hold any irresponsible gun owner accountable when a gun is used to hurt or kill someone in the even of bad conduct or unsafe behavior of the gun owner.

          • Frank Kahn

            Actually, abortionist doctors are exactly the same as that gunman on a killing spree. Both should be prosecuted for murder. Maybe, this mans methods are atypical but the other doctors kill hundreds and thousands of innocent babies each year. And your contention that it is the wacked (sic) right wing that always puts the blame somewhere else, I think you might want to study that one. The left wing does exactly the same thing. In abortion cases it is never the womans fault for getting pregnant, and it is societies lack of support for bastard children that drives her to need an abortion.

            And, yes, the killing sprees by gunmen are an exception to the rule of gun owner actions. The killing of babies by abortion doctors is not the exception, it is the rule.

        • Vigilant

          Puhleez Karolyn, do you really think that murder, incest, theft, child abuse, rape, etc., shouldn’t be illegal?
          It’s not a question of whether abhorrent behaviors would increase or decrease because laws are on the books or not on the books. It’s about differing views of morality and nothing more.

        • SavaDude

          Yet you believe that people would stop using guns if they were made illegal. Fascinating….

          • Karolyn

            Me? Why are you attributing ideologies or beliefs to me that I do not hold? I have never said anything about making guns illegal. I live in SC, so think about it. Everybody I know has at least one gun.

          • SavaDude

            In which case I apologize for the mistake. I thought that we had crossed swords on the 2nd Amendment more than once.

          • Bob666

            No, the use of guns would continue if they were outlawed.

      • Bob666

        Yo Chief,
        He is a doctor. Have you ever heard of malpractice? There are good doctors and bad doctors and this guy is at the bottom of the pit when it comes to bad doctors.
        If Roe V Wade is reversed, this would become more common. This was a tragic situation, but this is far more about medical incompetence than anything else.

        • samurai

          Care to cite a source on this? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
          “My only hope of salvation is in the infinate, transcendent love of God, manifested to the world by the death of His Son upon the cross. Nothing but His blood will wash away my sins. I rely exclusively upon it. Come, Lord Jesus! Come Quickly!”
          Benjamin Rush
          Founding Father
          Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Yo Sammy “”Bob, if my sources are wrong, then the one who wrote, spoke, etc., the quote or source would be wrong””

            Cite a source? Really? Are you now going to argue that we don’t have bad doctors who get sued for malpractice every day?

            “Take time to deliberate, but when the time for action arrives, stop thinking and go in.” — Andrew Jackson – US President & Freemason

            “Even if you are on the right track, you’ll get run over if you just sit there.” — Will Rogers – American cowboy, Comedian, Humorist, Social commentator, Actor & Freemason

          • samurai

            Yes there are doctors that are being sued for malpractice across this country. I cannot deny that. I just asked for a source to back up what you were say, for it would give specific details and not generalizations. Here is an interesting article about free masonry.
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “And pray especially that universal happiness can be established in the world, and that all may bow to the scepter of our Lord Jesus Christ, and that the whole earth may be filled with his glory.”
            John Hancock
            Proclamation October 15, 1791
            Devout Christian

          • Bob666

            Yo Sammy-“my facts are wrong-I’m not”1966.

            More wrong facts, know anything about the author of that crap?

            “The nonprofit civil rights organization[1][2][3] Southern Poverty Law Center controversially includes The Remnant and the Remnant Press in its list of “active U.S. hate groups”[4] under the “Radical Traditionalist Catholic” category, which the SPLC defines as “organizations that embrace anti-Semitism and whose theology is typically rejected by the Vatican and mainstream Catholics in general.” The editors reject this label, noting their belief that anti-Semitism is a mortal sin,[5] and that the organization is peaceful.[6] Others have also defended The Remnant from this charge, including the Catholic Family News[7] and Renew America.”
            From your favorite source Wiki!
            keep looking for dirt, I’m sure you own a shovel and maybe you will find some space aliens!

            “We represent a fraternity which believes in justice and truth and honorable action in your community… men who are endeavoring to be better citizens… to make a great country greater. This is the only institution in the world where we can meet on the level all sorts of people who want to live rightly.” – Brother Harry S. Truman

          • Bob666

            Yo Silly Samurai (I post crap – no facts) 1966

            How many of your ilk died in WWII,


            Notice this is not from some whacko web site or You -Tube.

            “Never trust a computer you can´t throw out a window.” – Bro. Steve Wozniak, Cofounder Apple Computer, Charity Lodge No. 362 F.& A.M., Campbell, CA, USA

          • Bob666

            Yo Sammy(poor facts)babble1966,

            And just to prove that we are not fascist as well:


            The mind, once expanded to the dimensions of larger ideas, never returns to its original size.
            Oliver Wendell Holmes-Mason

  • Warrior

    Just one of the many “side effects” of a society that doesn’t want to take “responsibility” for “anything”. I ask you, “What does it matter at this point”? Apparently it doesn’t. Too few are outraged. The rest just have their eyes closed and hope it goes away quickly. Kinda like “benghazi” and “fast and furious”.

    • Jana

      Wonderful and interesting to watch. It is called conception to birth.

      Andrew Tsiarasis the man who wrote the computer code for the MRI . Brilliant man.

      • samurai

        Hello fellow patriot. Here is an article showing that a Congressman from Indiana, Stutzman (R), giving a speech about Gosnell.
        Sheesh! Just think, Kermit used to be a good name associated with a frog, but now? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
        “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.”
        George Washington
        1st President of the U.S.
        Devout Episcipalian

  • Flashy

    Crystal…you fail to note the guy is up on murder charges, likely to be found guilty and tossed in the slammer with a life sentence. Had it been a death penalty state, he would be up for that sentence.

    you also fail to note 9unsurprisingly0 that there is no women’s choice group defending this guy…fact is, they all are screaming for his head, as is everyone else.

    And you also fail to point out these were third term, late term, situations which the Court has stated are those which can be banned with very very few exceptions.

    leave it to you mr. Crystal, to take a horrendous series of murders and twist it to an attack on women’s choice. That the truth is otherwise is not your concern…truth never is with your “opinions” …

    given the inflammatory articles these past few weeks, the loose use of any facts..and even those twisted and stretched to limits of reality…one can see the extremist cabal is collapsing and the money folks are needing to inflame the source of funds to keep the flow coming in.

    The more PLD goes into the far reaches of extremist fantasy, the lower the levels it is viewed as a legitimate site of discussion.

    • Vigilant

      “you also fail to note 9unsurprisingly0 that there is no women’s choice group defending this guy…fact is, they all are screaming for his head, as is everyone else.”

      And YOU, Flashy, fail to note (unsurprisingly) that pro-abortion women’s groups, fully aware of the charges and trial for some months, failed to utter a peep about it until someone besides the MSM made it a public issue. Yes, that’s right, the MSM squelched this story for months and months, until they couldn’t avoid reporting on it any longer..
      Now don’t tell me that the MSM kept it quiet simply to prevent widespread Conservative backlash. Face it, the “Fourth Estate” has abdicated its responsibility to report the news and has become a tool of the left in attempting to manage public opinion.
      While we’re at it, you might try and explain away the fact that Eric Holder had appeared EIGHT times before Congressional committees to testify about Fast & Furious before the MSM was forced into reporting the scandal.

      • Flashy

        Vig…i don’t know where you obtain your news…but the murder case has been in the news. And not just Fox McNews. Yes, I would not be surprised if it was highlighted and made a main case by the conservative stations before the regular news outlets…and i am not surprised it wasn’t highlighted by the main stream media until the Grand jury findings came out. When the conservatives gain a reputation for hyping minor stories and twisting facts as they have so often and regularly, the newsworthy credibility is gone. Anyone with an ounce of rational common sense places the National Enquirer above conservative media as far as accuracy and honesty.

        As far as Holder’s testimony. Concerning a program begun under the prior conservative admin., it built up as his testimony went on…and it was obvious and still is political grandstanding by the conservative wacked GOP contingent. C’mon…can you honestly say it would have been such a big issue had it not been for the “attack anything obama’ crowd always blowing up minor issues out of reality and claiming time after time they aren’t questioning his birth place…yet always bringing it up etc etc?

        As far as credibility? Conservative news outlets have little.

        Such as..another example i just heard today by Cantor and highlighted by Fox Mcnews. “Obamaphones”. you did know the program was begun by Reagan? At a time when cell phones were very expensive? That they should be called the Reaganphones ? know what this administration has done with that program/ the one instance which the conservative media jumped on and tagged it with Obamaphones? When the program restricted the cell phones to 60 minutes and saved us a few million. Yes..that is right..Obama administration restriicted the minutes..and the conservative media went nuts and labeled them Obamaphones…when they should rightfully be called reaganphones.

        When one constantly hypes and overblows issues…don’t count on them being believed as reporting anything important.

        • Vigilant

          Flashy…You’re in a state of denial if you think the MSM has adequately covered this item.

          “The American people made it clear that the Gosnell trial is a major, national story, but the broadcast networks have plugged their ears and flipped them the bird. With the exception of CBS This Morning’s reporting last Monday, the three broadcast networks are still putting their personal pro-abortion politics ahead of the national interest and censoring this story.

          “NBC asked one question. That is not coverage. CBS ran stories for one morning. That is not coverage. And most shamefully, Disney-owned ABC refuses to cover Gosnell at all. If any organization should be condemning the butchering of children, surely it’s the Walt Disney Company.

          “The horror in Boston is worthy of extensive, in-depth coverage, but so is the maiming, mutilation and murder allegedly committed by Gosnell. Testimony that a baby who survived an abortion was ‘swimming’ in a toilet and ‘trying to get out’ is as gruesome as anything that happened in Boston, but the broadcast networks are censoring it because they want to protect abortion at all costs. Gosnell might as well have put his alleged victims in ovens. The Walt Disney Company doesn’t care.”
          I pity you if you truly believe this is a “minor stor[y].”
          You might want to read the article (and there are NUMEROUS articles about media’s failings here) go to

          • Flashy

            vig…where did you come up with that ….commentary? Since the Grand jury findings were made public and this guy was cuffed….it has been covered. Since the trial began, it is all over the place.

            This one sentence…”but the broadcast networks are censoring it because they want to protect abortion at all costs” is telling. It is false, and slightly bent as to opinion don’t you think? Wow…what you are saying and what i expereinced as far as coverage are two separate worlds. That the media has not covered the story, and that they have covered it up or minimized it…simply isn’t true.

          • Vigilant

            Flashy, your propaganda has been tested and found wanting.
            The Grand jury report was issued on January 14, 2011, that’s right, 2011.
            As I said, the MSM didn’t pick up on it until they were shamed into it. THAT’S A FACT THAT NO AMOUNT OF PROPAGANDA WILL BELIE.
            So much for your paltry attempt to change history. Do your research before you make such egregiously incorrect statements.

          • Flashy

            The grand jury report came out in January 2011. he was arraigned in January 2011. CNN reported in March 2011 that prosecutors were considering seeking the death penalty.

            Seems that it was rported by the MSM, unless you are saying CNN is not MSM.

          • Vigilant

            ” CNN reported in March 2011 that prosecutors were considering seeking the death penalty…” and then dropped it.

            “Seventy-two members of Congress signed three separate letters to network news executives last Thursday expressing their displeasure with the lack of news coverage and demanding the networks report on the story.”
            While I think Congress has no business demanding anything from the MSM, their displeasure doesn’t originate from no where. ALL the numbers show underreporting of this story. Get off your backside and READ the reports instead of making things up as you go along.

            “Pro-life respondents (42 percent) are twice as likely as those who are pro-choice (22 percent) to be familiar with the Gosnell case. Likewise, nearly twice as many Republicans (43 percent) as Democrats (22 percent) say they know about it.” Telling figures.
            Poll respondents chosen at random.


          • Bob666

            Yo Vigilant,
            is that because you watch the “MSM”?

          • Vigilant

            Yo Bob, I watch no television opinion programs whatsoever. I watch virtually no television news at all. Next question.

          • Bob666

            Then how do you know the “MSM” did not cover this story?

          • Vigilant

            Why don’t you and Flashy quit this childish game? The numbers, as I told Flashy, are all over the internet, verifiable in spades. Your denial of the FACTS makes you two the very epitome of irrationality and objectivity, of which you have accused me.

          • Vigilant

            ..Make that “inobjectivity.”

          • Bob666


            If I said the sun rises in the east, you would claim that it was a progressive conspiracy theory and blame Obama.
            What games are you referring to?

        • Jim S

          Since you seem to have an answer for everything Flashy, answer this. Why is OK for a woman to murder her baby in the womb and face no legal consequences? I say legal consequences because there are great emotional consequences that go with abortion. But, if a pregnant woman is killed, especially murdered, the killer is charged with 2 counts of murder. Why should the killer be charged twice and the murdering mother get off scott free for the same crime? I anxiously await your reply.

          • Flashy

            Her is my answer..because when charged with two counts, it has to be shown the fetus was viable outside the womb. Viability being the key test. As it is in the test set forth by Roe v Wade. If it can be born viable…then charges of murder may be brought.

            And she is not a ‘murdering mother” …

            criminey…to listen to some folks, by the time you’ve finished the cigarette and went for a second round, you’re having a threesome (and in some states breaking another law) ….jeesh …

          • Jim S

            Yes, she is. I will soon be a grandfather, again. I have been seeing monthly sonograms of my granddaughter. You can rationalize with the “viable outside the womb” BS all you want, but that is just what it is, BS. You obviously don’t have children and have never watched the development of a baby inside the womb. Just because they are not “viable outside the womb” doesn’t mean they are not a human being. They are not, as you liberals like to argue, a “blob of cells”. They are human beings with arms, legs, eyes, mouth and a beating heart. So, take your lies somewhere else, where someone else as stupid as you will believe them. Your IQ isn’t high enough to win this argument.

          • Flashy

            You may rationalize it all you want…viability is when Rights apply, legal rights. A fetus cannot sue until viability, a fetus cannot be the subject of a murder charge until viability. One cannot drive as “two” in the Commuter lane unless she is pregnant with a viable fetus.
            read the roe v Wade opinions…all of them. The Court struggled mightily with this weighing of protections. It decided the trimester rule. The rule where it decided “viability” gave rights which had then to be balanced against those of the woman.

          • samurai

            Abortion was only made legal and is not a right. Here is another case of an abortionist that should be thrown in jail from Maryland. Notice these muderers and butchers of women are from blue states? Coincidence?
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “Article 1. The purpose of the American Baby Code shall be to provide for a better distribution of babies…and to protect society against the propagation and increase of the unfit.
            Article 4. No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child, and no man shall have the right to become a father, without a permit…
            Article 6. No permit for parenthood shall be valid for more than one birth.”
            Margaret Sanger
            Plan for Peace
            April 1932, pp. 107 – 108

          • Jana

            Jim then you would be interested in seeing the video from conception to birth. I sat with amazement.

            25 days the heart chamber is developing, and 32 days the arms and hands are developing. In 45 days the heart is beating twice as fast as the mothers heart. In 52 days the eyes nose and fingers are developing. This is beautiful.

      • The Snarf

        They also have their Planned Parenthood lobbyists like Alisa Snow,who has appeared before congress claiming that the life or death of any babies born alive should be left up to the mother. Flashy’s kind of people,the anti-human rights culture of death.

    • Jana

      Personally I am a mama and I would die for my children. I cannot fathom harming one little hair on their bodies. This is just beyond me.

      • samurai

        I know and agree with you fellow patriot. Some people just don’t believe in the sanctity of human life. The doctor in question has satan, not God and Jesus, in his heart. “The fool hath said there is no God within his own heart.” Psalms 14:1 and Psalms 53:1. Why would King David say it twice? Maybe to emphasize it? Here is an article and video showing more Negros died from abortion than any other cause last year.
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. BTW, the one who motivated Margaret Sanger, Madame Blavastsky, was a free mason. How does that set with you Bob? Ha, ha, ha, ha!
        “Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”
        Margaret Sanger
        *Sounds like Hitler to me. And she was trained and influenced by a free mason.

  • Karolyn

    Once again, using one ugly sad piece of crap as an example of all doctors who perform abortions. That’s like using Terry Jones as a good example of a Christian.

    • rendarsmith

      Twist it around however you want, but it is still murder of innocent babies.

    • Vigilant

      You mean like condemning all gun owners because a few sickos commit mass murders with guns?

      • Karolyn

        I have never condemned all gun owners and have heard nobody condemn all gun owners.

        • Greg Murphy

          Then why do you want to violate the second amendment?

          • Karolyn

            I never said I did. As I say over and over and over again on this forum, I do not blindly follow any ideology, but think for myself. I do question whether background checks violate the second amendment; however, there have always been background checks except for certain types of sales. I’m waiting for them to go after fireworks now that it was found that Tamerlan Tzarnaev used them for his bombs.

          • Greg Murphy

            Background checks haven’t prevented any crimes or murders and they infringe of my rights.

          • Bob666

            Do tell Greg, what right have they infringed on?

          • Kuurus

            4th and 5th amendment.

          • Bob666

            “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized”. How does one seize what has not been purchased?
            “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

            clarify please

          • samurai

            Then you would agree that all of Obama’s executive orders banning guns, etc., are violations of the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments? OMG! We may agree on something. Here is an atricle and video of a person reminding the military and law enforcement about how they swore an oath to defend the Constitution and how our government has become an internal enemy.
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “Almighty and eternal Lord God, the great Creator of heaven and earth, and the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ; look down from heaven in pity and compassion upon me Thy servant, who humbly prorate myself before Thee.”
            George Washington
            Prayer at Valley Forge
            Devout Episcipalian

          • Bob666

            I Guess that you are without clarification?

          • Jana

            I have been doing some research on Obama’s stance on gun control. He has some pretty startling ideas on it.

            Here is one telling us that Obama doesn’t even believe in concealed carry. We all know to be able to conceal carry you must be licensed and have training. That is a definite given,


            Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcing and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.

            When I queried him about the vote, he said, “I didn’t find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a
            consequence of the work he has previously done–and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms.“

            It wasn’t until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.

            From: ON THE ISSUES

      • SavaDude

        YES!!!! BAM!!! Thank you very much.

    • red neck

      Karolyn…. I would say that murder is murder no matter how you paint it.

    • Michael Shreve

      Extreme example, NOT only example.

    • samurai

      All doctors who work in abortion mills are murderers, no exceptions. Sook Young thinks less of them than I do. Here is something telling on May 5th, the story of Gosnell will be on national television.
      Now you can see what happened and make up your own mind. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
      “We should apply a stern and rigid ploicy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.”
      Margaret Sanger
      Women and the New Race
      Chapter 6: The Wickedness of Creating Large Families

  • red neck

    The only difference between legal and illegal abortion is all that you need to be legal is a blessing from the obama administration. This means that as long as you are a supporter of obama you can get away with murder!

    • Me

      Abortion has been legal since long before Obama entered office. Let’s not derail the issue hey?

      • samurai

        Here is something related to the topic of Obama bin Laden. Once again he has made bad history.
        So Red Neck could be right. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
        “With consistency, beautiful and undeviating, human life – from its commencement to its close – is protected by the common law. In the comtemplations of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, that life is protected.”
        James Wilson
        SCOTUS Justice

  • kyleyoder

    Feminism has become a radical cult. Women more than anyone should be pissed.

  • nobodysfool

    A society that has no respect for Life at conception will soon have no respect for Life at all. Old people, crippled kids, Down syndrome, anyone with a handicap that cannot produce enough to be taxed heavily will soon be “put down”. Just call it retroactive abortion. Liberals will go for that in a heartbeat!!

    • The Snarf

      And where do you think the name Chairman Maobama came from?

  • Paul

    I saw a photo of one of the babies with his/her neck cut open. It is the most disgusting thing I’ve ever seen. UNREAL that this is happening in our society. Worse is that a human being is doing this to an innocent child. I can’t get it out of my head. It ripped out the little bit of humanity I had left from inside me.
    These innocent lives are sitting with God now and will no longer suffer in this world. I pray to the Lord that he is merciful to this Dr. Otherwise, I’d hate to think what He has in place for him! Please Lord, how much longer must we wait for your return?! Please end this misery.

  • gunner689

    If women are free to do what they want with their bodies why is prostitution illegal ??

    • Karolyn

      You’re right. it shouldn’t be.


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