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Curiosity Killed The Campaign

August 11, 2012 by  

Look — a real live taxpayer! It’s not racist when the Democrats do it. And DNC2012 fears critical mass in Charlotte. All this — plus — JELLYBEANS! Presented in 1080 hi-def, FOR FREE! It’s The Great Eight, from the Personal Liberty Digest™!

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Michael J.

    Hello Ben,
    If The Democratic Party wishes to see what tax payers look like, I suggest they attend a Tea Party Rally.

    The red donkey with the hammer and sickle will have The Hildebeast furious that someone has been rummaging through her panties drawer to find the same embroidered likeness.

    Go Allen West!

    Jimmy Carter should formally thank B. Hussein Obama for relieving him of “The worst POTUS in history” stigma while speaking at the DNC.

    Gen. David Petraeus, decorated and respected vetran and war hero, plus Bilderberg meeting attendee. (I’m just sayin)

    Does Jared Lee Loughner look like Uncle Fester from The Adams Family on steroids? Picture an illuminated light bulb in his mouth.

    That’s all for now folks. It’s off to work and pay taxes, because like millions of other tax payers, becoming a Democrat is no option.

    • nc

      Michael, you must have ordered your history book from Faux Noise that skips over Hoover,Nixon, Ford, bush I and the “king of worst” bush II to get to Obama and Carter as the worst of the POTUS! Can you not read figures or has the koolaid killed that pea brain?

      • Stephen Albachten

        What a convoluted ridiculous comment! Your source did not consider all of the facts as to why Carter and dictator obama are the worst presidents ever.

        All of the previous presidents combined increased the national debt by about ten trillion. Obama in less than four years has increased it by over six trillion. Plus, he is killing jobs which increases Americans personal debt by billions more!

        You have faux brains.

      • Michael J.

        You’re just angry because I said that Democrat Jared Lee Loughner looked like Uncle Fester. Maybe there is a good use for your hostile energy, stick a lightbulb in your mouth and see if it lights-up!

      • Nanette Gray

        I find it SO sad people STILL think Bush 2 was the worst President…History will tell the truth..well now that I think about it NOT…Obama has already tried to “change” not so long ago past history!
        The brain washed public is so BLIND! Following history would be wise, but Americans get their history, even current from the “news” rather than searching or being aware of current history. Let us face it, the House and Senate were controlled completely by the democrats during the last two years of Bush’s administration. Do you know what got passed and what didn’t because they held control of congress, well of course not! The financial problems started with the housing bubble, hum, Acorn and the democrats where behind that, including community organizer Obama! Are you aware the very people that were behind scams that led to the financial problems and wall street, are some of the very people that have jobs with the Obama administration! It is called orchestration! The “liberal” and the democratic party is not the party that you think it is! Americans have been “bunked’ and still are, the Obama administration is Marxist regime and the blind public is following him to who knows where like the “piped piper”!

      • Vigilant


        Here we go again. That asininity has been debunked by me several times on this site, but you keep trying to sneak it in, hoping that some gullible, addlebrained person like yourself will be swated by nonsense. Pitful and pitiable.

        As to the ridiculous proposition that Democrats are good for the stock market,: Sonny, I have absolutely no doubt that the figures are correct, as I have told you before. It’s not the figures that are incorrect, it’s the faulty assumptions and conclusions drawn from them. We went through this before some months ago, but either your reading comprehension or your IQ in general is so low that you’re congenitally incapable of grasping simple facts.

        OK, one more time. The idiotic contention on that statistical “analysis” is based on a number of faulty assumptions, and leaves out more relevant factors than it actually uses. It is a classic case of lying with statistics, intended to sway simple minds like yours into believing the propaganda without question.

        Here are the faulty assumptions:

        It assumes that the president has magical powers to wave a wand and thereby affect the stock market. He has not. A myriad of factors affect the stock market in a capitalist economy, which are beyond the capacity of a president to affect. In the government-managed economy YOU would like to see, the chief executive would have much greater powers to effect change. Currently he has not.

        It assumes that changes in economic direction due to administration policies have immediate or short term effects on the stock market. They do not. The economy is grindingly slow in responding to policy changes by the government. Thus, the recession in Reagan’s first term was caused by Carter raising interest rates during a period of stagflation, and Clinton rode on the successes of Reaganomics, which brought us the longest sustained period of business prosperity in US history.

        It tries to convey the glaringly false assumption that the health of the stock market is a barometer of the nation’s economic health in general. It is not. By your reckoning, the rebound of the markets under Obama would point to a booming period of prosperity. How’s that working for you? Tell your tale to the unemployed, the record numbers of those on food stamps and welfare recipients.

        It goes wildly wrong in discarding one of the most important factors, the party which is dominant in Congress. Your “statistics” would “prove” something quite different than you assert if that influence were taken into account.

        I know the above is difficult for you to understand. Get a dictionary, a tutor and psychological help to move beyond your one-dimensional “true believer”mind. Perhaps you might take a course in basic macroeconomics before you shoot your mouth off and once again look the idiot. You are fooling no one with a normal intelligence.

      • hipshotpercusion

        Gee nc, you must not have been around during the Carter years. How about 20+ interest rates, not to mention the Iranian hostage crisis and failed rescue attempt? I seem to remember the only person who successfully rescued his people from Iran was Ross Perot.

      • Michael J.

        Great Post, Well Said.
        Unfortuanately it is wasted on nc= not conscious,
        who is BORG and therefore has had thinking comprehension expunged and can only reply the echoed response of the collective. (Resistance IS Futile)

      • Michael J.

        nc = naked convolutionist!!!
        Thanks for the idea Stephan.

      • Wayne

        I’m not sure why anyone gives the NC any audience. He or She never, as all liberals do, presents any facts. They just make wild statements. They heard in the lame stream media, or some other talking head liberal said so… therefore it must be true.

        There the facts and real statistics show that Carter years, through interference and claims of the sky falling helped incite one of the worst economies ever. The mans leadership nearly tubed American in just 4 short years. No one, except Jimmy Carter, thinks Jimmy Carter was a good president. Nothing good came from him, as is proving the same with our current president.

        But NC’s standard appears to be whomever had the most jokes made by liberals is the worst president, not who actually caused the most harm.

      • seanpatrick3000

        Oh PLEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSSEEEEEE…….JC is without a dobt the most incompetent Prez this great nation has ever had to suffer, yet his destruction of the country was just misguided, BO is destroying the country by design, he is truly evil and a fraud. Hope and Change, OMG what simplton could buy into that nonsene, oh wait a lot of simpltons did buy into H&C. The man asked to repair the country then proceeded to complain every step of the way, he was hired to fix it not complain about it and he has failed, he needs to be a one and done Prez.

      • Christopher Romero

        I don’t understand why some people have the idea that Obama is the worst President this Nation ever had. I don’t agree with this, he is doing what he has to do to get the changes that this Nation needs in order to become Communist, as Castro did in Cuba and Chavez is doing in Venezuela. It is not easy but he is getting there. If he is re-elected, in four more years you won’t remember what a Capitalistic system looks like.

      • eddie47d

        Maybe Michael J should “stick a light bulb in his mouth and see if it lights up” There is no proof that Jared was a registered Democrat yet the Net does says that he was a registered Republican and some sites say they have “proof” that he is a registered Independent. So are you the one who is being loose with the facts. Why would a registered Democrat shoot fellow Democrats if they had similar views? Probably it would be just the opposite. One thing for sure the shooter of Ronald Reagan was a registered Republican so maybe that little tidbit will increase the wattage coming out of your mouth.

      • Vigilant

        Michael J., thank you!

        Pardon my naivete, what’s “BORG?”

      • Jay

        nc, you’re nonsensical statement is a complete failure, as usual!

      • Sirian

        BORG – Centrally controlled computer program directed cyborgs that have a primary objective of taking over the galaxy. A dark/evil character set portrayed in the “STAR TREK, Next Generation” series back in the ’80’s.

      • JeffH

        Here are a couple of Obama “Democrats” voicing their “17 Reasons Why Romney’s The Anti-Christ & Why You Shouldn’t Vote For Him”. Watch and listen closely…sound familiar?

      • JeffH

        FYI, Paul Ryan is a great VP choice by Romney in my opinion…I know the Obamaphiles are dissappointed it wasn’t Marco Rubio, whose “he’s not a natural born citizen either” status is on parr with O’mans.


      • Palin16

        Good video, JeffH. Now I know, after all these years, that Romney was the third shooter on the grassy knoll in Dallas, Texas.

      • JeffH

        Palin16, ya think? Yer killin’ me! :) :)

      • B rian

        Steven….. Where did you get this number of six trillion….. I did some simple math…..

        When Obama took office he had promised to reduce he national deficit by 50 % after 4 years…. Bringing his goal of the national debt to 3.15ish trillion….. That was the goal…

        The current national debt is almost 16 trillion. Here is where the simple math comes in…. He took 2.2 Trillion from social security and paid down the debt a little to start…. So that 16 trillion would have looked more like 18 trillion in actuallity…. Now…. Add the 3.15 trillion that he promised to cut the deficit by that didn’t happen……. For a grand total of!!!!!!!! Wait for it! He missed his goal of reducing the national debt by over 20 trillion dollars…..

        Instead of reducing the national debt by over three trillion….. Which was his promise!!!!!!! He promised it! Not only didn’t he reduce he national debt…. Instead he added to it times 3…. But 2.2 trillion doesn’t really get accounted for because he took it from the social security surplus….. But don’t you fear…. He spent it too! It counts!

        If u just listen to what the man is saying…. Take everything he is saying and pledging……. And apply it to what the reallity of the situation actually is….. You will realize he has broken his pledge on every point! He was trying to get elected when he pledged it! Go figure….. Hes trying to get re-elected again….

        How could anybody in their right mind…. Believe that where we are as a country is a good place? And beyond that….. After seeing the evidence I just presented…. Why would you risk giving this man another shot at it!

        If this was the private sector….. He would have not gotten fired from his job for his mistakes….. He would have removed the business he worked for, from existence….. Can you miss your goal that you set with your boss, using his money and still be employed.

        Example…. Boss, I’d like to risk 100,000 dollars to reduce the 200,000 debt that the company owes…. And when it’s all said and done the business now owes….. 600,000 dollars debt!

        Do the math however you feel justified to do…. Tell me I’m an idiot so you can defend this president that has only succeeded in one thing….. Getting his unpopular and unconstitutional healthcare bill passed…..

        I can now be taxed for not purchasing a service or product! That is not constitutional! If your homeless and jobless….. Your already in the hole 3000/year in taxes….. Even though you decided not to purchase a product or service…..

        Whose job is Obama looking out for? It isn’t mine I promise you that!

      • Wild Bill

        Apparently before posting this you loaned your one working brain cell to to the Democrat party.Romny’s pick as his running mate Paul Ryan,has already shown up Obomba, (during the healthcare hearings) as an inept,failed leader who has no grasp of economic facts concerning finances.I can hardly wait for the vice presidential candidate debates where Ryan will hand Joe “brain dead ” Biden his proverbial ass.

        Wild Bill

        • macgyver1948

          Wild Bill… So often I hear many people thanking Veterans but if you support Ryan and Romney how can they be supporting Veterans at the same time? That is not thanking Veterans. The anti-most-of-them list Romney continues to build never seems to stop growing against the vast unwealthy of us.

          “The GOP budget doesn’t even say the word “Veteran””. I as a vet feel very ignored by the GOP but not for only this reason, not by the length of the diameter of the Universe I don’t.

          From an email I received today:

          Dear Steve,

          How bad is Mitt Romney’s VP Pick Paul Ryan for Veterans? His budget slashes care for veterans, but doesn’t even use the word “veteran” once. Below is the piece I wrote, written in March at Huffington Post, about Paul Ryan’s hostile view of veterans. Please help us share this blog post on all of your social networks, and forward to your friends and family.

          The GOP budget doesn’t even say the word “Veteran”.

          Jon Soltz
          Iraq War Veteran

          Still from that email:
          Do Republicans care about keeping our promise to veterans?
          Looking at the recently released GOP budget, written by Rep. Paul Ryan, it’s hard to see how they do. In fact, looking at the nearly 100 page document, the word “veteran” doesn’t appear once. Not once.
          Today is the 9th anniversary of the start of the Iraq War. Last night, I spoke with someone who served with me in Iraq during my first tour. And for the first time in almost nine years, she wanted to talk to me about an incident where she drove through an IED and a soldier was killed. It was a profound moment that shows how war and sacrifice stay with us, always. For those of us who served, in many ways, yesterday is today. And today, we read that the GOP doesn’t even talk about veterans in their budget.

          But, without saying the word “veteran,” the budget tells us a lot about what they think about veterans. The budget calls for across the board spending freezes and cuts. If enacted, the Ryan GOP budget would cut $11 billion from veterans spending, or 13 percent from what President Obama proposes in his own plan.
          It’s unconscionable that they’d do this at a time when so many Iraq veterans have just come home and rely on veterans care. Over 45,000 US troops were wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan, and more will come who will rely on VA services, on top of veterans of other wars and eras who depend on the VA. But, this shortsightedness isn’t new.
          Back in 2005, President Bush underfunded the Department of Veterans Affairs by about a billion dollars, despite its need. The result? Secretary Jim Nicholson was forced to crawl before Congress and plead with it to pass emergency supplemental spending, just so it could keep the doors open. After that debacle, I have to admit, I never thought Republicans would do the same thing again, if for no other reason than that it just looks bad politically, leaving aside the horrible effect it would have on veterans in need.

          Additionally, after the backlash against ending Medicare the last time Paul Ryan released a budget, they’re at it again. That, too, affects veterans. I was speaking with one veteran in Missouri, who lost both of his legs in Iraq. His care now relies largely on Medicare, as it does for so many veteranswho were wounded. In fact, older veterans, even those not wounded, rely on Medicare like any other senior. So, no, I couldn’t believe that Paul Ryan and the GOP would again propose ending Medicare.

          Yet, here we are. A budget from the GOP that short changes veterans, horribly. And where does that money go? Not to reducing the debt. The debt as a share of GDP would actually increase under the Ryan plan. The money doesn’t go towards anything, really. But it does go towards some people. As in $3 trillion in tax giveaways to the richest Americans and corporations. People like Mitt Romney, who already pays a tax rate lower than most of our troops.

          That’s the choice the Ryan plan presents to America — do we want to fund the wealthiest Americans and corporations, or keep our promise to our veterans? Ryan and the GOP say the former. I can’t believe that most Americans wouldn’t say the latter.

      • JeffH

        macgyver, you’re laughable. Can you say “” because that’s exactly what is.

        This says it all about… has been described as “partisan”, “closely aligned with Congressional Democrats,” and “liberal” in news stories. In a June 2011 press release, the organization specifically identified itself as the “largest progressive group of veterans in America.” has a very close relationship and has collaberated on projects with…that’s all I need to know about them.

        • macgyver1948

          JeffH… I am not going to respond to your BS but I suppose in contrast you believe all things that come from the Right are right. Do not assume that just because it is on that side of the aisle. I read things from both sides and that is why I lean so much more to what is from the left, not because I feel the left is always right. I so obviously see Romney is a corporate puppet and totally for them because of what he has done in his careers and not because he is a GOP. Oh well, I don’t care what you believe and I don’t come here to convince anyone of anything. Have a great evening with your insulting nature.

      • JeffH

        macgyver, so sensitive and oh, so angry! You must be a proressive!

        • macgyver1948

          JeffH… You really do confuse easily and I was’t trying. I do not get angry so easily but I do get frustrated with negative and childish attitudes. And as I say no one has to agree with me.

      • Jay

        What a load of bull, mac. Obama has repeatedly shown his contempt for members of the military and our veterans. Just this past Memorial Day he kept thousands of veterans and family members of the fallen from visiting the Vietnam Memorial Wall in Washington for five hours so he could have a photo opt and make a 13 minute speech to a group of “selected guests.”

        In the meantime he is making massive cuts to our military including requiring our disabled and wounded heroes to pay more of their own medical costs while at the same time exempting civilian DOD employees under the same plan from paying the same costs.
        Of course, they are union members and contribute to the Obama reelection campaign.

        As for the American people as a whole, we must understand that Obama views us with utter contempt. He is an elitist and as such he does not consider us free citizens in a free country. Instead, he looks at us as his subjects and as such we must obey him. It doesn’t matter what your race, gender, or religion is, you are of no consequence. If you are black and unemployed that is fine with our President because he thinks that means you are dependent on the government and will vote to reelect him. If you are poorly educated that only means that in Obama’s view you are inferior and are too stupid to realize that he is stripping you of your human rights. I could go on, but I think you get the point. Stop drinking the kool-aid, mac!

        • macgyver1948

          Jay… Good luck with that BS concerning Obama. I am too tired to go into it with you and I don’t care. I hope you enjoyed your fantasy concerning Obama…

      • JeffH

        Sure mac, I’ll take your word on whatever you say. NOT!

        • macgyver1948

          JeffH…. :-)))…

      • vieteravet

        I take it nc stands for NO Clue!

      • Jay

        mac says: Jay… Good luck with that BS concerning Obama. I am too tired to go into it with you and I don’t care. I hope you enjoyed your fantasy concerning Obama…

        [expletive deleted]

      • Jay

        mac says: Wild Bill… So often I hear many people thanking Veterans but if you support Ryan and Romney how can they be supporting Veterans at the same time? That is not thanking Veterans. The anti-most-of-them list Romney continues to build never seems to stop growing against the vast unwealthy of us.

        “The GOP budget doesn’t even say the word “Veteran””. I as a vet feel very ignored by the GOP but not for only this reason, not by the length of the diameter of the Universe I
        don’t. How bad is Mitt Romney’s VP Pick Paul Ryan for Veterans? His budget slashes care for veterans, but doesn’t even use the word “veteran” once. Below is the piece I wrote, written in March at Huffington Post, about Paul Ryan’s hostile view of veterans. Please help us share this blog post on all of your social networks, and forward to your friends and family.

        Wow, I thought George W. Bush was the worst man ever to walk the earth. Now, according to the Leftists, it’s Mitt Romney and Ryan? Geez, what are all the mannish looking lesbians going to do with all that anti-Bush schwag? Maybe they can recycle it into a tricycle and ride that three-wheeler down to Uglytown and offset the mega carbon footprint their BS on Mitt has transmitted to mother earth.

        Make sure your Dockers don’t get caught in the spokes, ladies!

      • Old Henry

        Why do people seem so intent on using the word president and the word Obama in conjunction?

        He is no more presidtnt than the Man in the Moon. You cannot be something that you are not qualified to be. The Constitution requires a Natural Born Citizen to be POTUS. What we have is a communist foreign national criminal Kenyan conducting an occupation of OUR White House. Sort of an OWH. Maybe that is one reason he so relates to the OWS.

        Hell’s Bells, he was not even sworn in properly – and maybe there is a very good reason for that…

      • Kate8

        Old H – Yep, and he was sworn in by that #$@& sell-out Chief Justice Roberts, who has been O’s lapdog ever since.

      • sam1966

        To nc (no cajones), Ed, and Mac, here is something that may help you to understand why we say that Obama bin Laden is the worst COOTUS ever.


        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • sam1966

        Here is one about how Obama bin Laden thinks his wide butted wife should get paid for being the First Lady (Though she is no lady.)

        Sheesh! Why should she get paid for sitting on her arse all day? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Palin16

        Unbelievable, Sam. As if all Michelles’s high paid vacations and her 23 personal assistants who collectively make over $2 million a year aren’t enough, now she should get paid?

      • http://naver samurai

        Yep, it is amazing what the progressives will do with your money. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        P.S. Maybe they could pay someone to help Hitlery and Micheele lose some of their backsides. As Sook Young would say, “Eeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww!”

      • Bill

        Nanette – Some people read up and stick to the facts. Some are just mouthpieces to what they heard without checking it out. I read so much BS on here from the uninformed – evidentially, they don’t know how to read. History will tell how a president did while in office, but you do have it correct – the Dems had the house and senate and while I can fault president bush a little bit, the majority of the blame for this economic mess lies squarley on the shoulders of the Democratic party.

    • eddie47d

      The reason Carter won’t attend the Democrat convention is the same reason H Bush won’t attend the Republican convention. At least a few of you “old farts” should be able to figure that out. Also not sure why Petraeus was brought up since he wasn’t seriously considered or was that another cheap dig or maybe a Harvey the Rabbit moment. (imaginary event) No wonder Obama is winning in the polls with the in your face labeling the Democrat Party as the communist party. I reckon if it gives you a quick fix or a temporary feel good moment then knock yourself out!

      • CherokeeDan

        A communist by any other name is still a communist. With obama in the White House, I thought it was ok to come out of the closet and proudly proclaim whatever deviant beliefs you harbor…gay, bi, trans, socialist, marxist, Maoist, communist….hey, it’s all good in obamaville. By the way, eddie, the difference between obama and all the other bad presidents is, at least while they were president, the others seemed to like their country.

        • macgyver1948

          CherokeeDan… Obama is no more a commie than you are but how would I know what you are because I don’t know you, maybe you are. But it is so easy to call people we don not know something when what is driving us is BS and hate. What I can see here a lot is you and the others who claim Obama is a commie has been TEA brainwashed.

      • eddie47d

        i have never said that anyone should have to love Obama or even vote for him. Now I do like to point out the nonsense from trolls like you and that keeps me coming back. Not everyone who proclaims patriotism has love in their hearts and some of those types can be far more unAmerican than you suspect Obama of being.

      • Jay

        Barack Obama is a deeply troubled personality, the megalomaniac front man for a postmodern coup by the intelligence agencies, using fake polls, mobs of swarming adolescents, super-rich contributors, and orchestrated media hysteria to short-circuit normal politics and seize power.

        Obama comes from the orbit of the Ford Foundation, and has never won public office in a contested election. His guru and controller is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the deranged revanchist who dominated the catastrophic Carter presidency 30 years ago.

        All indications are that Brzezinski recruited Obama at Columbia University a quarter century ago. Trilateral Commission co-founder Brzezinski wants a global showdown with Russia and China far more dangerous for the United States than the Bush-Cheney Iraq adventure.

        Obama’s economics are pure Skull & Bones/Chicago school austerity and sacrifice for American working families, all designed to bail out the bankrupt Wall Street elitist financiers who own Obama.

        Obama’s lemming legions and Kool-Aid cult candidacy hearken back to Italy in 1919-1922, and raise the question of postmodern fascism in the
        United States today. Obama is a recipe for a world tragedy.

      • JeffH

        Obama’s Radical-Left Ties Broad And Deep

      • JeffH

        Obama’s Communist Mentor
        The communists knew who “Frank” Marshal Davis was, and they know who Obama is. In fact, one academic who travels in communist circles understands the significance of the Davis-Obama relationship.

      • JeffH

        Barack Obama’s communist connections

      • Old Henry


        Last week I saw two reports on the internet regarding Petraeus being considered for VEEP. No I cannot remember which ones I read it on. Newsmax, Patriot Update, WND, Politichicks, Reghtwing Politics….????

        Hw’s things in Denver? My sister says it’s hottern a popcorn f*rt. (My words, not hers)

      • sam1966

        Here is something else about Obama bin Laden.


        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.”

        George Washington

    • dfinch

      Obama and H Clinton has attended these conference 2 of the last 4 years.

    • http://n/a Gray Frazier

      Being a Georgia boy, who worked to get Carter elected governor, in 1970 (my parents were supporters of Carter’s run for governor, as well as his first presidential campaign…his innauguration was on my 16th b’day, which means I was inelligible to vote until four years later…by that time, I knew I wouldn’t vote for him and I am overjoyed to say I have never voted for a lilly-livered-liberal presidential candidate….nor do I plan to start!

      I will turn 52, come 1/20/13, and I hope (and pray – HARD) that the United States will have wised up and I’ll have a much, much better “gift” from the nation, than was afforded me in ’09!

      My only problem is this: Should Obama be replaced with Romney, we’ll be trading one socialist administration for another and that may not help!

  • http://none Floyd Hardee

    Mitt Romney may as well go ahead and write out his concession speech. His choice for the VP solidifies BHO for four more years. The Liberals should start writing out thank you notes to the idiots who chose Paul Ryan as the VP for Mitt. No wonder Donald Trump refuses to be a major speaker at the convention. He should tell Mitt Romney to kiss his butt and don’t call me and I sure will not call you.

    Paul Ryan can hardly even pull his own state and is not popular down here in the south, the west, or much of anywhere. Gingrich would have been a much better choice. Santorum would have been a help. Sarah Palin would have electrified the folks nationally. Rubio, West, Rice, Huckabee, and dozens of others would have given him a fighting chance. After he loses this time….don’t come back Mitt….no third chance…you blew it! I don’t ever want to even hear your name again.

    • jerry

      floyd, you’re gonna be in for one big fuc-ing shock when you see none of the poles mean $hit when obummma looses his a$$ in nov

      • Michael J.

        We are all in for a shock when George Soros’s Spain based creative vote counting machine manipulates the outcome.

      • Gordon

        some hard times in this USA. The big Zero will be around for 4 more years…appoint liberal supreme court justices…. and then his successor will continue O political direction. 2012 is the end of life as we have known it. Keep your powder dry.

      • Carol J

        Clean up your posts. We don’t need foul mouths like you. We have enough idiots as it is.

      • CountryBoy

        Jerry, I’m afraid you’re full of it. I wish you weren’t but I see Obama becoming even more dictatorial in the next four years. We might be on our last leg as a great country unless something unexpected happens.

      • Sirian

        Michael J.,
        Hummm, you’re the first I’ve seen in quite a while that seems to hold the same misgivings about the vote count. Honestly, it gives me a very, very sour gut feeling. Soros’ coercive plan in open disguise? The answer should be quite apparent – true?

      • Michael J.

        Cherish that gut feeling, it will keep you alive after TSHTF.

      • Kate8

        I think there are many of us who foresee dirty tricks in this election. If we have an election.

        If you can’t get enough votes at the booth, then you buy the people who count them. No mystery there.

        Isn’t there some law somewhere that says that the citizenry has the right to count the ballots? Or is this another blatant poke-in-the-eye to let us know that we’re all ‘citizens of the world’ now, and there are no citizen’s rights.

      • JeffH

        jerry, you are so right…but MJ has a point…gotta keep your eye on the ball.

      • wildbillalaska

        Amen to that.Stick a fork in them,Skippy and Biden are done.

        Wild Bill

      • vieteravet

        Hey Jerry, I’m a nobama guy but you do know the union members work the voting machines. How else did McCain lose Vegas!

    • Power To The People

      Palen….are you kidding? She is a dip! She helped destroy the last ticket. Ryan is a smart, hard working conservative thinker on the issues of spending that are sinking this ship. He is a good choice!

      • JeffH

        PTTP, Palin was the only reason Rino McCain didn’t lose by a wider margin.

        As for Ryan, I agree he is the best choice as Romney’s VP.


      • Kate8

        You are right, JeffH. She’s a really sharp lady. That’s why the Left saw her as such a threat, and worked so hard to make her look stupid.

        Then we have BHO, who really IS stupid, and demonstrably so… but the same idiots who think Palin is dumb voted for HIM! My gosh, his gaffes make Palin look genius.

        Go figure.

      • sam1966

        Hey Kate8, here is one about how Pelosi says she met a ghost in the White House.

        The libs thought that Palin was stupid? What do you think about this one? There are no such things as ghosts. Maybe she is getting delusional? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Carol J., jerry said what he means and this is the way he wanted to say it, so what is your objection to seeing the Freedom of Speech in action. Is there a proscibed way to say things so no one offends your sensitive ears?

      • Carol J

        I sure don’t want to be around you either since you approve of obscene language. I just wonder how it got by since at the top it says they will not tolerate profanity. Someone is not doing his job.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Carol J, I would trust jerry even with his way of linguistic expression but you I would not trust with any words that would come out of you even if you were quoting the Scriptures.

    • macgyver1948

      Floyd… From an email I received today :

      Steve -

      Mitt Romney pandered to the extreme right and announced Paul Ryan as his pick for vice president this morning, guaranteeing that this election will be about tax cuts, Medicare, and the economy.

      Ryan is a rock star for Republicans, the lead architect of the radical right-wing budget that Republicans are pushing in Congress.

      A budget that calls for:
      Huge new tax cuts for the super rich on top of extending the Bush tax cuts
      Turning Medicare into a voucher program
      Making massive cuts to vital programs like Medicaid, food stamps, Pell Grants, and job training
      New increases in military spending — even as President Obama ends two wars

      Let me put this as simply as I can: Paul Ryan is the author of everything we’ve been fighting against in Washington since Republicans took control of the House — and now Mitt Romney wants him to be vice president.

      • vieteravet

        He represents everything libtards are against, you know saving social security, medicare and reducing spending, cutting welfare from the low-life scumbags who sit on their @sses and do nothing. Oh yeah, balancing the budget. All the things you’re against.

        • macgyver1948

          vieteravet .. If you are talking about Romney doing what you say he claims he will do go on believing it. Fantasy does help us smile now and then.

      • sam1966

        Which 2 wars did Obama bin Laden end? He extended our troops to another 10 year stay in Afghanistan. How did he end these wars? Remember, “I’ll pull our troops out of Iraq within the first 6 months in office.” That was a lie. “I’ll pull our troops from Afghanistan.” Another lie. “I won’t send our troops anywhere or start another war.” Another lie (Uganda, Lybia, Yemen, etc.). His record on wars doesn’t look too good to us.

        “America was founded by people who believed that God was there rock of safety. I recognize that we must be cautious in claiming that God is on our side, but I think it is all right to keep asking if we are on His side.”

        Ronald Reagan


        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • http://n/a Gray Frazier

      Floyd, I hope the voting public will stop and recall how G.W. Bush’s national debt was “approaching the trillion dollar mark” (and, how the lilly-livered-left-wing media harped about it for two years) and how, within four months, Obama had blown the national debt to $14 trillioin (singlehandedly).
      I, also, hope the voting public will realize that Obama promised to lower the jobless percentage to 2% and blew it all the way to 15%, while he took vacation after vacation.
      Then, too, it might help for the idiots, who swallowed the rhetoric, he spewed, during his campaign, to realize how he said he was a lifelong Christian and then, in France, said he was a lifelong Muslim (you can’t be both!) and realize that his attitude, toward God’s chosen people…the Jews…proves he is not a Christian because, if he were, he’d seek their best.
      In reality, he’s sought to destroy Jerusalem by splitting it in half — a task he has no authority to back up, though, like a schoolyard bully, he just wants to throw his weight around.
      So, America’s voters need o respond, like the kid, feared by that schoolyard bully, and throw Obama and his money-grubbing wife, out of the White House. When that is done, we’ll find out just how much they love America, because they’ll move into a palace, in some rogue country, who used him in an attempt to bring down America.

      AND, if Obama is re-elected and America dies,it will be the exhibit of I Cor. 1:27, where the Apostle Paul wrote, “but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things wich are strong,” in that the Lord is fed up, with the uncaring and unChristian attitude of America!

      • http://n/a Gray Frazier

        Also, I’ve said this before and It bears repeating…The U.S. will have to fail as a world power, thus paving the way for Magog (Russia) to fulfill Biblical prophecy and attempt to take over Israel.
        When that happens, Christ will return and World War III, which will be a one-day fire war, will be snuffed out, as He destroys all those, who war against His people.

        I would caution you to know King Jesus, prior to His return because, if you don’t, you’ll be left to fend for yourself, during the tumultuous Great Tribulation!

  • dan

    Loughner’s picture should only be shown with a light-bulb in his mouth….
    but remember that :
    Beauty flees from youth , but cute endures

  • Karolyn

    Oh, well, no content here. Sounds like Ben is running out of topics.

    • Michael J.

      Dear Karolyn,
      OK, if that’s how you feel. But you should know that your absence here will be felt like the wind from a fleas beating wings.

    • Vigilant

      Karolyn feels compelled almost every week to weigh in on Ben’s humor, usually with vapid, substanceless and ad hominem comments.

      • Jay

        That’s her job, Vigilant; and she’s really good at it!

      • nc

        Vigilant, how would you describe Jon Stewart and Jon Stewart’s “humor”?
        Secondly, in a response to what the “Bulls, bears. donkeys and elephants”reflects you lead by saying presidential policy has no effect how the stock market relects the economy. You say the figures are correct so what does an analysis of the basic indicators of each President’s economy during the same period indicate??? Let me direct you to a conservative Republican site for that information. “Presidents and Prosperity” @ Forbes .com! You remember Steve Forbes don’t you? SEveral times a candidate for the REPUBLICANS NOMIATION AS A CONSERVATIVE! WOULD HE ALLOW FALSE INFORMATION AGAINST HIS PARTY IN HIS MAGAZINE???


      • Vigilant

        nc, at your age, you’ve got to be suffering from senility.

        Your problem, old man, is that you didn’t read with comprehension one word of my argument. If you were perceptive you would have understood the crux of my comment. You are NOT perceptive enough to find your backside with both hands, a flashlight and a map. You may think you have 76 years of experience, but you’ve had only one year’s experience 76 times repeated.

        The numbers are not meaningless, as I’ve stated. They are meaningless, however, in any argument that tries to tie just ONE thing to them: the President of the United States. That, which just happens to be the most important fact of all, invariably escapes your spent uranium alloy cranium.

        And be careful what you wish for: If you included Obama in your simple minded charts, you need ask only one question, i.e., “at what oven temperature shall I cook the crow I’m going to eat?”

        P.S. No need to shout. You may be hard of hearing, but I’m not.

    • Nobody’s Fool

      Yet, Karolyn, you keep coming back. Then you post such inane comments that your ignorance is exposed big time. “It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”. You should do yourself (and us) a favor and not visit this site.

      • Michael J.

        Nobaody’s Fool says to Karolyn,
        “yet you keep coming back”

        Yes, not unlike a wayward turd floating upon an incoming tide.

      • Kate8

        I am now utterly convinced that Karolyn is, actually, a paid troll. I’m thinking of her references to her government-type job that she is so mysterious about.

        If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck… quack…quack…quack…

        Or maybe a parrot? Baaaaaarrrrrrraaaaaaack!

      • Karolyn

        And there’s Kate again with her little paranoia about paid trolls. Gee, I wish I were paid. And, Kate, you know damn well I was an AmeriCorps member and that I was very upfront about that. I am so grateful not to be like you.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – You got that right. Me, too.

        And you know very well that you kept coming up with “you have no idea what I do!” statements. Plus, you were always on here blogging during work hours…all hours, for that matter… so I can only assume that you were collecting money while doing it.

        Your high and mighty attitude is laughable. You point your finger at me for being not nice, in your opinion, yet you support people who murder children (in fact, murder anyone), lie, cheat, steal, and work hard to take away everything we have. And I”M the tasteless one for saying bad things about them. Sheesh. Talk about convoluted values.

        Not to mention that, by refusing to see evil for what it is, you are selling out your countrymen. YOU ARE COMPLICIT, which makes you as guilty as they are.

        Put this in your pollyanna kool-aid.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – It was easy to tolerate you Lefty loons for awhile, but now your icons are setting us up just as Hitler set up the Jews (and Christians). It’s getting really out of hand, and you are no longer just nitwits. You are dangerous.

        Many of us are fed up with you. If you really don’t see what’s going on in America by now, you never will, so it’s time you just get out of the way. The debate’s over. Whatever side you’ve chosen, you’re stuck with.

        • macgyver1948

          Kate8… I noticed your other dark responses to Karolyn and I let them go without response because I bet Karolyn can handle it herself and I do not know her. But now your comparison of “but now your icons are setting us up just as Hitler set up the Jews (and Christians). It’s getting really out of hand, and you are no longer just nitwits” is to much to let go.

          I am Jewish and I am of the age and era to remember speaking with relatives who had numbers on their arms after coming here post WW2 when they spoke of the far right Conservative Nazis and that piece of crap you mention, Hitler.

          For you to make that comparison says you are speaking the TEA brain washing you accepted. If any are “setting us up” for disaster it is TEA owned GOP and Romney, now with his VP choice Ryan, who will work their far right TEA butts off for the benefit and protection of the Corporations, the Koch-like and not much at all for us, the unwealthy, unless by accident or coincidence.

          There is no more Nazi or commie in Obama than there is in you. I do not know you so I can only guess you are not aligned with Nazis or commies and I can’t really tell. If you dislike or hate Obama so much do not vote for him but please do not vote against the middle class, assuming you are in that class, but instead find someone more to your liking.

          It is the TEA BS propaganda you spread that is the potential danger. You should research the Koch family history (the brothers are the main financiers and founders of TEA, formally known as The John Birch Society where their anti-civil rights/pro only corporations daddy (just like the brothers all their lives) was one of its founders/leaders) before you throw Nazi BS at others.

          Have a nice day, :-).

      • Karolyn

        Kate – The fact is you had no idea when I worked or what I did, and that was the point. You are just as much a danger to this country in my eyes. It’s all in the perception. However, I hold no malice toward you but only feel sad for the rage so obvious in you. Rage, resentmen, anger, hatred are all killers.

      • Kate8

        macgyver – I hate to burst your bubble, but the people who funded Hitler and catapulted him to power in Germany (btw, he wasn’t German born) are the very same people who are behind Obama.

        It is painfully apparent that you do not do comprehensive research when it comes to getting information. You stick to the Left-wing ideologs, so you are very one-sided. Too bad. For the life of me I don’t know why the Jewish people support the Democrats, except for the fact that many Right-wingers are Christian, and Jewish folks just can’t abide them. Isn’t rejection because of your faith exactly what has plaged Jews forever?) Because it’s the Right which has always protected the Jews and fought for the freedom to be whatever faith you choose. You are so blinded by your hatred for Christians that you are shooting yourselves in the foot.

        If you really did your homework on Obama, you would quickly learn that he is as dirty and communist as they come. In fact, he comes from a line of communists. And he works for the Zionist banksters. Are you truly Jewish, or are you with the Zionists? And, if you are Jewish, don’t think that you won’t end up headed for a camp alongside your Christian brethren in the near future. Obama is pushing for Sharia.

        As for Karolyn…I’d say, MYOB. She dogs me as much as I do her, so it’s about even.

        • macgyver1948

          Kate8 … Much of the money that supported Hitler was from Big American Corporations. Greed does not know time even when it can be made with evil. Yep, Austrian he was. Those people who supported Hitler must be very old today to be able to have supported Hitler, as you say, and to support Obama today.
          You say of me “You stick to the Left-wing ideologs, so you are very one-sided. Too bad”. You speak with a TEA-like attitude because you do not know me to say how one-sided I am. I listen and read both sides the aisle.

          Then you say “For the life of me I don’t know why the Jewish people support the Democrats, except for the fact that many Right-wingers are Christian, and Jewish folks just can’t abide them”. WOW, there is so much to counter that. You do show your typical TEA far right approach using fantasy to replace reality. You do not know people yet you assume so incorrectly. “the fact”, really? You kjnow the facts of people you do not know? Jews do not have a problem with Christians except with the antisemitic kind and those who tell us how wrong we are for not accepting Christ. Those who do show they too do not know our bible even though they took it, placed it in the same binding as theirs, renamed it for their purposes and then redefine our scriptures to justify their own purposes.

          We do not care if you took our bible but every bible should be able to stand on its own merits without insulting other peoples bibles for their own justifications. We do not care if you make Jesus to be your Messiah, your king your prophet because he was none of those for us. So why would we? We can get upset with the individuals who say we are wrong because we wont agree with you and convert. Besides, there are plenty of Jewish Republicans.

          You then ask “Isn’t rejection because of your faith exactly what has plaged Jews forever?”. No, it is bigotry, misinformation and the need to be right about what you demand that has “plaged Jews forever”. Don’t you guys ever get tired being wrong so much? If People want to be Christians they have that right but they do not have the right to recruit or determine those who do not comply are going to hell. And, again, they do not have the right to tell other peoples ways of knowing God is wrong if it doesn’t fit your ways.
          Our bible tells us it is a mortal sin to worship and pray to anything that is not the single entity that is God. To us, Trinity is a total contradiction to monotheism and it is a sin for us. So it is not our faith that has “plaged Jews forever” but it is other people lack of respect for how others who aren’t them believe. If you do not accept for others for how they believe and respect that as much as you want to be respected yourself then you do not deserve any respect for you and your beliefs. It is a Golden Rule thing for me and many Jews I know feel the same. How we Jews feel is right for us an any who choose to feel the same. To each his own faith respectively.

          Then you tell me “You are so blinded by your hatred for Christians that you are shooting yourselves in the foot”. You are the blinded idiot for telling me I hate when you do not even know me. Your generalizations are so typical TEA and that is where your idiot assumptions come from and you do not have to be TEA to be as you are if you generalize and mis-think as you do. I have has so many Christian friends all my life but I do not call any people who are so “Only we are right therefore you have to be wrong” in their feelings and in their idiotic thinking as friend worthy. I have had many Catholic and Protestant friends who who be embarrassed for you with how you think and and speak. I have shown several the TEA generalized attitude that you display and they laugh at you ways of thinking.

          The rest you say is so laughable. I am very Jewish and if Zionists do evil bigoted things I would oppose them too. It is the act I go by and not a group. Again, Obama is no more commie than you are. If you are TEA, or just in your thinking, I hope you know the Koch family come from a line of Nazis and that is not hard to Google to find out. The Koch family know they have to do their ways differently here but they are the anti civil rights, all for corporations Klan they want to be. They are TEA.

          The last thing you say is “As for Karolyn…I’d say, MYOB“. If she says so I will but you forget this is a public site and we are told all views are welcome here and we have the American right to express ourselves. You might not know about that with the one sided hate in which you express yourself.

      • Michael J.

        If like you say, you are Jewish, How can you support a Muslim who is duty bound to kill Jews?

        How can you support a man who is largely funded by George Soros who also is Jewish, and is an unrepentant Nazi colaborator who helped load his own people, Jews, on the death camp trains?

        How can a man such as yourself with the professed wisdom of many years observing, relegate himself to the minions of The Great Destroyers Axis of Idiots while maintaing a clear conscience?

        You people remind me of sheep wearing horse blinders, focused upon a path that has proven fatal to many a former nations.

        • macgyver1948

          Michael J… You say “Macgyver1948, If like you say, you are Jewish, How can you support a Muslim who is duty bound to kill Jews?”.

          First prove he is Muslim and then prove he is duty bound to kill Jews. Until then you are choking on TEA.

          I am not voting for George Soros but those who vote for Romney are directly voting for Koch and their kind.

          “You people” huh.. Good for you. More ignorant generalizations form the right.

      • Kate8

        Look, Karolyn. I hold no real animosity toward you. But your continual attacks on my character get old fast. I really don’t care what you think of me, as I find you simple and quite content to be so.

        Accusations of anger that you Lefties like to hurl out are nonsense, too. As if there is anything wrong with righteous anger. Of course I’m angry, and alarmed, because of what people like you have brought upon this country through your ignorance. That does not make me paranoid or phsychopathic. It makes me willing to face reality and do something. All of the worthwhile causes for liberty were borne of righteous anger. Even Christ became angry when He through the money-changers out of the temple. Would you say he was not justified? Because those same money-changers are at it again.

        There is nothing like determination for bringing out the warrior in me. Granted, I can be direct and intense. I’m on a mission, and if you don’t like it…TOUGH.

        I don’t really know if you were hired as a blogger. But would you deny that you blog from work? I believe you actually said that you did. And you work for a Left-wing group. Hence, you are paid to blog (with taxpayer money), so naturally you will carry the water of the Left. And since I help pay your salary…

        If you like we can call a truce. I won’t mock you if you lay off me. Otherwise, the game is still on. Trust me. I’m a worthy opponent.

      • Kate8

        mcgyver – Wow. Your hostility is palpable.

        As for the banksters during Hitler’s time, yes, many of them are very old. Like George Soros to name an obvious one, who has admitted that he sold out the Jews in order to gain a favorable position with the NAZIs. But we also have the British Royal family, the Rothschild dynasty, the Islamic factions…there are many, and includes their descendants, as well. And these also include many American families, like the Rockefellers, Bush’s… they come from both sides of the aisle, and both sides are run by the corporate banksters.

        It is clear that you are yet very ignorant of the things which have been coming to light in recent times. You might want to spend some time educating yourself, because you are still operating from a false paradigm. Once your eyes are opened, you can never go back…

        And btw, I ditched the Republican party a couple of years ago, for above reasons.

        It’s very difficult to have a meaningful conversation with someone who refuses to learn the truth of our history and how we came to be in this current condition. If you don’t see that something is wrong, you will never accept the reasons.

        And, I do know Jews who despise Christians. I also know that there are many who don’t. We are all individuals, and I have always defended Jews against bigotry. But do some research on the Zionists and you will be surprised to learn that they are not of Jewish bloodlines, but rather are Edomites. Amsel Rothschild’s name was Bauer of Germanic tribes before inventing the name of Rothschild in order to take on Jewish personna. They are known as Akhanazi Jews, and it was from them which arose the NAZIs. They are now in control of most world governments through corporate ownership of nearly all natural
        resources and commodities, the MIC, and have unspeakable technology with which to enslave us all.

        I do hope that you will do some real research for yourself. You haven’t checked out all sides or you would know these things.

        • macgyver1948

          Kate8…. I know there are and have been Zionists who aren’t Jewish but many assume the word itself is Jewish so I first have to understand where a person is coming from when they express anti Zionist views.

          We still to this day have “banksters” and industrialists who have Natzi running through their veins. Those who came here adapted because to survive and more so to continue to prosper they had to. The Koch Klan is so big on that and they will own the Government if they get their chance. They are only one family who comes from the Nazis or have aligned themselves with them.

          I am not so fond of Soros but I have not heard he sold Jews out. If you can please include some sites that offer that info I would appreciate it. I couldn’t find it through Google before when I think you first mentioned that and I will take more time with it.

          You say “And, I do know Jews who despise Christians”. There are bigots in every walk of life, Jews are no exception with our some. I used to have a site with many fake Jews who became wealthy Jews after leaving Germany. I wish I could find that again.

          You say “Amsel Rothschild’s name was Bauer of Germanic tribes before inventing the name of Rothschild in order to take on Jewish personna. They are known as Akhanazi Jews, and it was from them which arose the NAZIs”. Think again please.

          Unless we just have different words all together I think you mean something else. I have something from my notes and I don’t feel like cleaning it up now but I knew Ashkenazi Jews were from so long ago in the Germany area. Please don’t mistake the last 4 letters to mean what you think but the people you are talking about, those fake Jews, probably knew this history. That is what you get when you replace fact with your opinion. Here it is a piece of it from my notes.

          Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or Ashkenazim (Hebrew: אַשְׁכְּנַזִּים‎‎,Ashkenazi Hebrew pronunciation: [ˌaʃkəˈnazim], singular: [ˌaʃkəˈnazi], Modern Hebrew: [aʃkenaˈzim], [aʃkenaˈzi]; also יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכֲּנַז Y’hudey Ashkenaz, “The Jews of Ashkenaz”), are theJews descended from the medieval Jewish communities along the Rhine in Germany from Alsace in the south to the Rhineland in the north.

      • Kate8

        mcgyver – Do a search on “soros admits to aiding NAZIs against Jews”, and you’ll get several links. There is even a video on YouTube with him talking proudly about it.

        You really need to realize that ALL of the elite are scum. They’ve ALL turned on the American people and have sold us out. This R/L stuff is just to keep us weak and divided.

        Obama is doing EXACTLY what Hitler did. Same exact playbook. He picked up where Bush/Clinton/Bush left off. He even hired IBM to compile data on all Americans, just as Hitler did. In fact, what Obama now has at his disposal, Hitler could only dream about…

        Wake up, man. We’re out of time. Do you really think the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob approves of this clown?

      • Kate8

        mcgyver – Accord to my studies, the Ashkenazi originated from Arab lands and/or Turkish bloodlines. The migrated into Eastern Europe and mingled with the Germanic peoples, converting to Judaism. They are not of Jewish blood.

        These are exceptionally intelligent people, very high IQs, and many of them have accumulated great wealth and power. They are, according to articles I’ve read, the same peoples who backed Hitler and formed the NAZI movement.

        It was from these people who arose Amschel Rothschild aka Bauer, banker to British and other European royalty, funding all sides of all wars, and coming to hold more power than the crown.

        The wars they created, and the succeeding forming of groups which led to the UN, were always for the purpose of world government, with them in absolute control of all natural resources, and eventually in control of all trade, agriculture and governments.

        Being that Jews have always been the target of various power-mongering factions, and having suffered great persecution and slaughter (as have Christians), I would think you’d want to be as informed and learned as possible in order to make the wisest of choices.

        You know as well as I that those in places of power, though they may claim to be Jewish, are purely secularist and corrupt, just as are the lot of them. The Left is not your friend. In fact, government is not your friend, my friend, nor any friend of the common man.

        Does it not trouble you that Obama panders to the Islamic peoples, bowing to them (a sign of defeat), continually giving them preference and ever more power? He has put many of them in places of great authority in America, even though their ideology is diametrically opposed to the American culture. They have made no secret that their intent is to conquer. And you know how they feel about Jews.

        • macgyver1948

          Kate8…. Yes you continue to say the same things to justify your beliefs. And if your records say so ok then, they have to be right. But let’s remember the Nasty evil Romans scattered Israelites/Hebrews and others all over their empire after prophecies were fulfilled in the year 70 CE and again during the Crusades. Oh wait, that was the church then doing the Crusades thing. The now German areas were among those Roman areas of scattering.

          Ashkenazi Jews have been around for so many centuries in the Germany area.
          I am not going to argue with you any more. You seem so determined to be right you will say and repeat anything for that cause of yours. But I want say this. You say “The Left is not your friend. In fact, government is not your friend, my friend, nor any friend of the common man”.

          Ok, I can see that much of the government is not really our friend but I can so very well see that TEA owned GOP is working so hard for the benefit and protection of the Corporations and the very wealthy pretty much exclusively. They are more so not any of our friend than the left and Romney and now his TEA champion companion VP will BAIN us to death and they won’t care, just so the wealthy and their investors are happy.

          I am also concerned with how “Freedom Of Religion” can get in TEA’s and Romney’s way if it isn’t as they want it to be for themselves. I have not seen Obama show bigotry to any extent and so many people know that TEA has and will continue with it. If it doesn’t agree with how their religion(s) dictates they will be against it. Romney and others have shown that with their immoral baptisms. We now have that retired General whats-his-name backing Romney with Bigotry and many TEA especially are showing it too.

      • Jay

        Kate8, you’ll find this most interesting.

        Judea Declares War on Germany: A Critical Look at the Holocaust and WWII.

        • macgyver1948

          Jay and Kate8… I have seen videos like that and heard these stories. They are from haters of truth and Jews. When I was a kid I heard stories from old relatives and others who had numbers on their arms. They were eye wittiness to what went on in the camps and could have been baked and gassed themselves if they were rescued. And so many GIs in WW2 who walked the camps saw the devastations and said so.

          To claim the Hitler Holocaust is a hoax, as this narrator claims, is a Nazi attempt to justify the Holocaust by ways of denial. So Jay, for you to say this is interesting says a lot about you if you agree with the video. Hitlers solution was the total elimination of Jews on the planet and world domination. These guys are going out of their ways to make Hitler look like a decent good guy. Hitler was about the biggest evil in the 20th century, perhaps along with Stalin.

          They guy in the Video you suggest is a liar. War crimes executions and imprisonments for the Nazis weren’t for just starting WW2 as Hitler wanted so he could eventually rule the world. There is so much historical BS in this video.

          And for the guy to say 6 million Jews being executed by Hitler has no bearing compared to what the Romans did to the Jews. WOW…. The Nazi-like evil lives on.

          When I was in Germany in 1968 with the US Air Force many Germans told me they are sorry and didn’t know how an evil like Hitler could gain power in their country. The only badly done fakes are those done to deny the Hitler Holocaust.

      • Karolyn

        Kate – I am no longer paid by myself (the govt.). It was not even a salary; it was a minimal “living expense,” and I canot even collect unemployment. (not complaining, though; I am a resourceful person.) In AmeriCorps you are given a certain number of hours to complete in 10 months. Many of those hours were completed in the evenings and on weekends. My hours were mine to make.

        I know your are a formidable “opponent,” and I have no taste for battle, really. However, when someone questions my honesty, sincerity or veracity, I am inclined to answer. Also, I have always been a pacifist and abhor violence and anger. I try to stay away from it as much as possile. It has no purpose.

        Truce accepted.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – You do not have to explain yourself to me. Your life is your own, and we do what we have to to survive.

        I have to disagree with your assessment about anger, though, that it has no purpose. We have been endowed with a full spectrum of emotions, and they all have purpose, or they wouldn’t be. No emotion is good or bad…it just is, and the problem is not with feeling anger, but with the repression of it. To deny that it exists within us to try to fool ourselves.

        To try to deny feeling any anger is not because you fear anger, but you fear that you cannot control it. To repress any emotion is to cut yourself off from yourself, and repressed anger turns into depression and health issues. Do you know where we store repressed anger? The liver.

        When we learn to allow any and all emotions which are evoked in us, we can just observe them and they pass on through, creating no harm. It’s natural. It’s how we were meant to function. But if we deny the emotion, it will get stuck somewhere energetically, and will, sooner or later, wreak havoc.

        Assaults on our personal sovereignty should, in a healthy person, invoke righteous anger. In someone who fears that feeling, it results in Stockholm’s syndrome, where the person actually comes to love his tormentor(s). It is a sign of psychological trauma and weakness, a sign that you are not confident of your position.

        I have known people who will terminate a relationship at the first display of anger from another. That is a sign of a very frightened person. When one is sure of him/herself, of who he/she is, anger is no big deal. It is a signal that our boundaries are being breached, and that some action is needed for protection. A timid person has no boundaries and no inner strength to call upon, and who’s only means of self-protection is to emotionally shut down.

        I tell you these things because, after many years of the study of psychology, traditional but more importantly from the mystical standpoint, I believe that you desire to become whole. As long as we disconnect from any part of ourselves, deny any part of ourselves, we will be fragmented and short-circuited, and unable to cope with life with courage and confidence.

        Truce acknowledged.

      • Karolyn

        Very good points, Kate. However, if one is truly enlightened, can’t anger be erased? Did Buddha get angry? According to the Bible accounts, Jesus did. I have a hard time with that. I still believe that when one transcends the physical, there truly is no need for anger. I am certainly not saying I don’t get angry; but the only person it affects is me and not in a good way; of course, depending on the circumstances. I’ve known for a long time that anger turned inward becomes depression. However, I also learned a long time ago that anger and resentment do great harm, especially when it comes to addiction – and not to the one the anger is directed toward.

        I do find that I do agree with some of what you have to say surrounding spirituality and appreciate your insights.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – Anger and resentment are only harmful when you resist them. “What we resist, persists”.

        Otherwise, they are transient and simply pass on through. All we have to do is allow ourselves to feel these emotions, like any other emotions, acknowledge them, and allow them to flow on out.

        We cannot control what emotions are evoked in us. They are a result of whatever our beliefs and experiences have programmed in us. It is not the emotion that is a problem, but what we do with it. It is only stuck emotion that causes harm.

        Emotions are a part of the unconscious, and are directly tied in with the conscious response. The conscious mind will react according to how it’s programmed. We can choose to reprogram that response. When we are accustomed to allowing emotion to flow freely, eventually the intensity fades. Think of it as a ripple on a calm lake…when you toss the pebble, it creates a ripple that moves on out until the energy dissipates and its natural state of calm returns. No harm has been done. It no longer exists.

        Stop believing that emotion is “bad”. It just IS. It is only when we can embrace life in its wholeness that all of ourself is reclaimed, and we can then return to our natural spirit state, which is Love. Love is not disturbed by momentary ripples.

        The trick is to let EVERYTHING just be okay. Whatever you feel in any moment is okay. Embrace your emotion with nonjudgment and love, and it will become your servant rather than your master. We must learn to live from the heart (the true Master) and not the mind, which is fickle.

      • Jay

        Anger is not always or necessarily sinful, but it has such a tendency to run wild that whenever it displays itself, we should be quick to question its character with this inquiry, “Doest thou well to be angry?” It may be that we can answer, “Yes.” Very frequently anger is the madman’s firebrand, but sometimes it is Elijah’s fire from heaven.

        We do well when we are angry with sin, because of the wrong that it commits against our good and gracious God; or with ourselves because we remain so foolish after so much divine instruction; or with others when the sole cause of anger is the evil that they do.
        He who is not angry at transgression becomes a partaker in it.

        And there’s the difference between Jesus and Buddha, Karolyn; Jesus lived in reality, not turning a blind eye to what disfigures God’s creatures, that being, sin; and being righteously angry, but a righteous anger that was in perfect balance with His love for His creatures, as He clearly demonstrated in giving His life for us, so that we might be saved and live forever with Him.

        As opposed to Buddha, who lived a life of self-absorbtion, spent all his life trying to attain the absurd and that which is unattainable; transcending the physical(non-sense), and not caring the least for others or their plight. Another words, totally off the mark. The best he could offer; fortune-cookie philosophy, whoopee…none of which, btw, has helped anyone, one iota!

      • JeffH

        mac, you’re just not very bright are you! You keep refering to the “TEA”. Do you even know anything about which you speak? Do you know anything about the TEA(Tea Party)which you seem to denegrate as some terrible right wing faction of the GOP.

        I understand your distain for the Tea Party, you believe everything you’ve heard from your chosen sources. All of that unproven and hatefull rhetoric about the Tea Party has poisened you deeply.

        You’ve mentioned the Crusades; “But let’s remember the Nasty evil Romans scattered Israelites/Hebrews and others all over their empire after prophecies were fulfilled in the year 70 CE and again during the Crusades. Oh wait, that was the church then doing the Crusades thing.” …as if it was driven by bloodthirsty murdering religious christian fanatics that had nothing better to do than kill muslims.

        For a thousand years (c. 700-c. 1700) Northern Christendom lived under the threat of subjugation by Islam. The great early centres of Christianity – the Holy Land, Byzantium (Greece and Turkey), Syria, North Africa, most of Spain – were all conquered by Muslims. Over time most of the conquered became Muslims. The submerged Christians were dhimmi in Islamic law – tolerated infidels, usually allowed to practise their religion but not to propagate it, constantly reminded of their subservient status.

        Christians around the Mediterranean lived for centuries in constant fear of raids and invasions by Muslims who came up the rivers of southern France, captured and enslaved Christians, attacked and occupied the port of Marseilles, sacked Rome, took over Sicily and Sardinia, ruled much of Spain for 600 years, repeatedly attacked the Eastern Byzantine Empire, gradually reducing its area, and finally taking Byzantium (Constantinople).

        Northern Christians, although protected by distance, had good reason to fear Islamic invasion. They lacked any assurance that their fate would be different from that of Christians around the Mediterranean.

        Perhaps this link will help to clear up and understand the reasoning and driving force of the Crusades.

        • macgyver1948

          JeffH… I am not so sure why you are telling me all these pieces of history. Are you just filling in the parts of history I am leaving out? I can’t mention it all. I know there were many in any group of peoples who did evil and/or good. A lot of what happened is determined by the teller of history. The Japanese, for example, have a very different view of the British sailors than the British expressed of the stories they relate but we here in the west hear mostly the British versions.

          You wonder why I do not like TEA. Ok, here a a WIP I am working on. It is not done, mostly in the notes stage but I do look at both sides of the aisle before forming an opinion.
          Connections between Koch, The John Birch Society, The Tea Party, KKK, Nazis

          If we join a group for whatever our reasons we really should know the power and money behind that group – the leaders, creators and financiers. That is because it could feel “funny” if those leaders are not who you really think they are. If they are, great, but if they aren’t how would you feel then?

          We who truly cherish individual liberty and freedom should be concerned with ideologies such as Communism and Fascism/Nazism. Even Hitler hated Communism because it threatened his form of Fascism and he hated what we here in America have as well. All I ask is that you really know with whom you align yourself before you join and make sure those at the top are really your kind of people. Please remember Hitler some how convinced many of the German people he was on their side in spite of the fact he lost the election and then stole the government. Hitler was a very good speaker.

          Please do not settle for only what I am offering below. Do your own research and find out your way.


          Report: The Kochs, A Nazi Past, Oil & The Foundation of The Right
          American Fred Koch, and through association the Kochs from Germany, establish the John Birch Society in the 1950s in NY


          Koch Industries

          Fred Koch was a rabid anti-communist and critic of the American Civil Rights movement, as well as a supporter of laizez faire economics, who sympathized with Mussolini’s Fascism, but considered himself a right wing libertarian. He became one of the main founders and sponsors of the extreme right John Birch Society. His sons retain their associations with John Birch Society members but are no longer members, and in their youth expressed disagreement with the society’s authoritarian traits and quasi-fascism.

          Kochs want to own America (Romney is their lynchpin)

          Included is a video and the question is “What is the John Birch Society. Pay most attention to the last 2 minutes but listen to it all.

          Also included:
          If Fred Koch was one of 20 founders of the JBS, I posit it is impossible his children (at least the two most visible) managed to avoid paradigm that coincide with the following.

          The John Birch Society is as anti-civil Rights, as the Ku Klux Klan. The basic difference between the two cancers in US society are tactics for achievement of a ‘snow white’ society. The JBS’s possible acceptance of African-Americans living in servitude and certainly in a state akin to American Southern Jim Crowe is both offset and complimented by the Ku Klux Klan and many other white supremacist groups. While the Ku Klux Klan is generally about the uneducated, and guttural business of hatred of blacks, Jews and Catholics, the Welch/Koch founded JBS is much more crippling to the basic fabric of a fair America.

          If you watched Point 2 of the video, you heard Welch speak about JBS’s concern with communism. Much written material indicate the JBS aversion to civil rights was, and is, based in its concern for infiltration of communist and associated doctrine. Nonetheless, we lump the Ku Klux Klan, the John Birch Society as well as the Mormon Church are similarly anti-minority and harbor beliefs contrary to American principles as a republic democracy.


          Here is a part of an article I enjoyed reading at

          The 2012 GOP is the naked Emperor, but covered with tattoos reading “John Birch Society,” “Koch Industries,” and “I heart Bull Connor.” The “subjects” are the media, which thinks the GOP is clothed in the raiments of a respectable political party.
          When I grew up, the John Birch Society were the crazies — heirs to McCarthy, finding communism in any government program, seeing the Civil Rights Movement as just another arm of the communist party. They were crazy enough to be repudiated by William F. Buckley and Barry Goldwater.
          The 2012 Republican Party is barely distinguishable from the John Birch Society. It is funded in large part by the Koch brothers, the heirs of Fred Koch, one of the Birch Society’s founding members. The Kochs may not be members of the Society, but their ideas — extreme laissez-faire capitalism with communism lurking in any regulation, unions, health care and even Civil Rights laws — are virtually the same. (One of the current right’s few attempts to avoid looking like Birchers is morphing communism into “socialism.” No need to explain to the faithful that they’re really the same.)

      • Jay

        mac says: Jay and Kate8… I have seen videos like that and heard these stories. They are from haters of truth and Jews.

        There’s nothing hateful about that video, mac. The hate is in your thick skull and your mushy heart. The video confirms that many jews died, as well as, pols, gypsies, ect..and not all as a result of the fictitious “final solution”. That, of course, was a fabricated piece of writing to stir up hate and to justify the war. You see mac, what you don’t seem to understand is that, a war requires years of planning and preparations, the right mood and setting must be carefully set, and that no one man is capable of pulling of what Hitler managed to pull off without direct assistance from silent partners. You see mac, war is BIG business, and the bigger the war, and the more countries involved, just simply means bigger profits for the financiers who always, fund both sides, thus procuring MASSIVE profits.

        mac says: When I was a kid I heard stories from old relatives and others who had numbers on their arms. They were eye wittiness to what went on in the camps and could have been baked and gassed themselves if they were rescued. And so many GIs in WW2 who walked the camps saw the devastations and said so.

        Always hard to determine where truth begins and propaganda ends, mac. One thing’s for sure, there was a great deal of life lost as a result of the orchestrated war. Why the jews are front and centre, and the focus of that war, while completely ignoring all others, is suspect at best.

        mac says: To claim the Hitler Holocaust is a hoax, as this narrator claims, is a Nazi attempt to justify the Holocaust by ways of denial.

        The author doesn’t claim that Hitler was a hoax, or that no life was lost; pay attention.

        mac says: So Jay, for you to say this is interesting says a lot about you if you agree with the video.

        I’m always interested in the truth, mac.

        mac says: Hitlers solution was the total elimination of Jews on the planet and world domination.

        There was always a plan for world domination. As for the total elimination of the jews? They’re still here, aren’t they? However, the thought served its purpose, did it not?

        mac says: These guys are going out of their ways to make Hitler look like a decent good guy. Hitler was about the biggest evil in the 20th century, perhaps along with Stalin.

        Both, Hitler and Stalin were financed by the same money masters that are financing the soon to be WW3 in the middle-east. Of course now, the bad guy(s) are the muslim extremists, hell bent on world domination and the elimination of, not a specific race, this time, but a specific people of a certain religious and idealogical bent. So you see mac, the method of orchestrating/engineering a war doesn’t change much, the money-masters use the same script as of old; that’s because it works, and fools like you, always fall for it!

        mac says: They guy in the Video you suggest is a liar. War crimes executions and imprisonments for the Nazis weren’t for just starting WW2 as Hitler wanted so he could eventually rule the world. There is so much historical BS in this video.

        So you disagree? Well good for you, you’re entitled to such.

        mac says: And for the guy to say 6 million Jews being executed by Hitler has no bearing compared to what the Romans did to the Jews. WOW…. The Nazi-like evil lives on.

        Actually, it was more like 4 million jews that perished, not 6 million. They were sacrificed, used as a beard to emotionally stir-up the surrounding countries, and stimulate them into war. The orchestrators of war know exactly what is required to justify one.

        mac says: When I was in Germany in 1968 with the US Air Force many Germans told me they are sorry and didn’t know how an evil like Hitler could gain power in their country.

        Propaganda takes no prisoners, mac, and you are one of its favourites.

        mac says: The only badly done fakes are those done to deny the Hitler Holocaust.

        Of course mac, just keep repeating that and you’ll be fine.

        • macgyver1948

          Jay… Thank you so much for your childishness in your insults. Do you really think you could be affective with your insults trowing it from your hateful brain-washed little mind. Who cares what you say when you can’t take different points of view and you have to resort to kindergarten levels of mentality? If you choose to believe Nazis go for it if they are your kind. :-)…

      • Jay

        A rather flat and weak response, mac. Surely you can muster a more cogent one? You can’t, can you? That’s because i flushed you out, you zionist swine! And before you call me anti-semite, be sure you understand the pejorative term, and the purpose of its use. But i’m sure you know full well, and are well versed in zionist propaganda, as all zionist miscreants are, who use the jews as a beard. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for using a race for your nefarious activities. So back under your rock, you worm!

        • macgyver1948

          Jay, considering I am not a Zionists I am also not a pig but you show your sick bigotry often… Not that there any other kind than the sick kind. Hate away if you want but you wont muster me by your idiocy. You just aren’t worth it at times…

      • Kate8

        mac – As someone who knows a long history of persecution, defamation, lies and hate borne of ignorance, prejudice and political manipulation, you sure are good at dishing out more of the same.

        You said make certain that we know with whom we ally ourselves. I would suggest you do the same. All we will ever get from the political arena is lies and distortion (spin) in order that those involved gain power. That is their one and only aim. Politicians lie. In fact, you cannot trust a single word out of their mouths.

        The TEA Party is not at all what the Left says it is. Have you been to a TEA Party? Have you spoken to these people? They are ordinary Americans who just want what we all want, and that is to be left unmolested by goverment. To be left with the fruits of our own labor. To be left to make our own choices for our own lives, and to raise our children in our own way.

        You, my good man, are suffering from the same hatred that has come against your people for centuries. You know the damage lies can do. The essence of Yeshua’s message was the very thing that Jewish Law left out, and that is the element of Love. Without Love, nothing means anything. Love is the glue which binds us all together.

        Maybe it’s time to take a look at all the hate, because what comes at us is surely a reflection of that which is within ourselves.

        • macgyver1948

          Kate8… I have been saying all along I do not trust either side much. I suppose I am looking for, since we are stuck with what we have for now, the side who might not only help me more than the other side but also hurt me less. I see Mitt/Ryan as the side who will hurt me more because all they have done is benefit the very wealthy and the corporations almost exclusively. Ryan is the tough guy Mitt needs so he better hope his gamble with Ryan pays off.

          I think you missed what I have been saying about the TEA Party. The rank and file, the regular people, are like most of us wanting liberty and less government intrusion. Who I oppose, as I have always said, is not the regular people but the money and agendas of those at its top.

          I do not need to go to a TEA meetings to know the regular people are like the rest of us non-wealthy. I just feel they are being duped by their leadership and in many ways as the Dems are doing those who follow them. I just feel the degrees of difference are what makes TEA so much more dangerous. I know many TEA supporters personally and some are very close friends.

          You say “Politicians lie”. LOL. I used to joke, and would again, about a made up word from the Days of Roman politics. The word is “politico” and in the Roman Websters dictionary it is defined as, I person who lies and misleads to get his/her agenda across to the people for some political or social purpose”. I think later from the word liar came the word lawyer but that is another story but it too fits my definition for “politico” if the lawyer has no ethics and only considers winning over justice and who is right or wrong.

          Your words to me “You, my good man, are suffering from the same hatred that has come against your people for centuries. You know the damage lies can do. The essence of Yeshua’s message was the very thing that Jewish Law left out, and that is the element of Love. Without Love, nothing means anything”. You are assuming about me again.

          First of, and most importantly, I know God is love and that is what we should most concern ourselves (with) so Love was not left out. I go by The Hebrew Bible and how it was basically taught since God gave Torah to Moses, whom I think was the first Rabbi by definition, among other things. The basic differences in how Torah was taught, including The Rabbi Jesus, I believe comes from personality differences.

          I see hate as the foundation of bigotry and therefore the opposite of God. I accept and respect all religions in how they choose to believe in and accept and pray to God in their respective ways. I see conversion attempts, as soon as the converter realizes his attempt is with a person who loves how he/she relates to and prays to God, is so very insulting and disrespectful. I wouldn’t do it because I do not like it when it is done to me. What else can the converter mean other than “your ways are wrong and do not work, therefore you need to come over to my ways because my ways are the only right ways”. “…so very insulting and disrespectful”.

          When I explain the Hebrew Bible in how I believe and see it to others who aren’t Jewish I do so only to explain how I see it all and not to convince anyone of anything. If we cannot accept how others feel and believe we deserve no respect for how we feel. I think you continue to misread me. To each his/her own faith and I see damage to “Freedom Of Religion” in our country all to often by those who will impose their beliefs on others because ”only we are right so you have to be wrong” and that is seeping into government and very much shouldn’t. That has to stop and it is also why I feel we very much need “Separation Of Church And State” added to the Constitution as the Founders talked about but didn’t.

          Again, I want prayer brought back to the schools but only very silent prayer with no mention or hinting of any particular religious belief or influence so each student, teacher and Admin can relate to God as they choose without any violations or disrespect.

          Yahweh is love and He gets frustrated with us as He has demonstrated and He will continue to be for a while.

      • JeffH

        mac, you are a loon, plain & simple. You’re looking for ghosts that don’t exist. Your head is swelling with mis-information and full of leftist driven propaganda.

        The radical left needs a bogeyman to offset Soros and the Koch Brothers have become the focus of outright lies, distortions and mis-information by the Obama Administration, Soros funded groups and the liberal media.

        As to a link between the Hitlerite Koch’s in Germany and the American Fred Koch. There were no family connection between the Prussian-German Kochs (and there were several others with that last name in the Nazi apparatus), and the American Fred C. Koch, who was of Dutch descent.

        The fact that Fred C. Koch did not found the Birch Society, and was not related to or did business with the Hitler-era Nazi Kochs.

        The only connection JBS has is through Fred Koch, who founded Koch Industries. Mr. Koch served on the JBS National Council (a voluntary, advisory body) from 1959 to 1967. When he died in 1967, any and all Koch support for JBS died with him. Yet, when the media is intent on smearing the Kochs, it brings in the JBS connection that was severed 45 years ago.

        Neither Charles nor David Koch fund the Tea Parties. Partisan activists deliberately confuse Koch’s involvement with the Tea Parties in order to diminish and mischaracterize important and authentic citizen efforts as well as company support of education and human services programs.

      • Jay

        Careful there Jeff, if you disagree with mac he will simply accuse of being a Jew-hater and a Nazi-sympathizer. It appears mac-n-cheese debates in the classic ala Saul Alinsky. Of course, old Saul was a communist Jew agitator, who developed methods for controlling communities for social subversion. Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama both have been influenced by the Saul Alinsky doctrine. Groups such as American Indian Movement were also influenced by Alinsky.

        Alinsky parents were Orthodox Jewish immigrants from Russia. He graduated from the University of Chicago with a degree in criminology. He worked with Clifford Shaw at the Institute for Juvenile Research studying youth gangs. He associated himself with one of Chicago’s most notorious mobs once led by Al Capone to understand the roots of crime.

        He formed the Industrial Areas Foundation an umbrella organization for activists. In the 1960s he was popular with young radicals of the New Left and wrote the book Rules for Radicals which emphasized revolutionary social change.

        Hillary Clinton wrote a 92-paged thesis on Saul Alinsky when she was a 21-year-old college senior at Wellesley College titled: “THERE IS ONLY THE FIGHT…An Analysis of the Alinsky Model” The paper was kept hidden during the Clinton administration.

        Hillary Clinton as a teenager first met Alinsky on a field trip organized by a liberal Methodist church. As a senior at Wellesley she interview him for her thesis paper.

        In her paper Clinton idolized Alinsky and includes him with her other heros: Martin Luther King, Walt Whitman, and socialist Eugene Debs.

        Barack Obama after finishing Columbia University went to Chicago and began to work in a organization Alinsky helped to start.

        Is it any surprise then, that old mac is a obaminite disciple, Jeff?

      • JeffH

        Jay :)! Each of the websites ole mac-n-cheese linked to are hard line leftist progressive mis-information websites who’s accusations against the Koch’s are unsubstantiated and have been historically refuted.

      • sam1966

        How do you figure that Christians took your Bible? The Jews have the Tora, not a Bible. Hoe did we steal something you never had? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        P.S. Reading “Inside the Third Reich” and “Mein Kampf” would really help you to understand the Holocaust.

    • Warrior

      As long as there are progressives, Ben will never run out of material. Do you have the same visions as your queen?

    • Power To The People

      Like your comment!!

    • JeffH

      You’re a hypocrit K! You’re sounding like a Parrot every Saturday replying to Ben’s “humor”.

    • Karolyn

      My, my, so many replies to a little one-liner. Why do you find me so important?

      • JeffH

        Don’t flatter yourself K, we don’t!

      • Vigilant

        A single mosquito in a dark bedroom at night is not important, just irritating.

      • Kate8

        Vig – :) :)

    • macgyver1948

      Karolyn… No problem. Ben is only a badly misinforming comedian….

      • JeffH

        macgyver, did you recieve another progressive “email” that identified Ben as a bad comedian?

        • macgyver1948

          By he way Jeffie. I would say over 90 % of what I write is my stuff. When I use email it is just to pass it on. When it comes to “Ben as a bad comedian”, that was mine too but that is easy.

      • Jay

        So why would you waste your time listening and responding to a badly informed comedian? I would posit two reasons. 1. You place zero value on your time. 2. You and the new-age-space-cadet are nothing more then trolls.

        • macgyver1948

          Jay… You would “posit two reasons” would you. More none self thought from TEA thinkers as they assume what others reasoning is when they do not even know those people.

      • Kate8

        Jay – Hmmm. I think…1. No, 2. No… wait. 1 and 2 !

      • Jay

        So do enlighten us, mac, why are you here? You seem to be aware that this is a conservative site, while claiming all conservatives are liars, war-mongers and misinformed; which means you are claiming to be the exact opposite. Coincidentally, this is always the common theme coming from the progressives half-wits who post on this site. Naturally, the two possible reasons i offered why one such as yourself would waste their time here. If, you, being intellectually and morally superior to us, as well as, better informed; why then, would you waste your valuable time? Is it because you a morally bankrupt, or the obvious; a benighted troll?

        • macgyver1948

          Jay… Enlighten you? Don’t think that is possible by anyone. You asked me “You seem to be aware that this is a conservative site, while claiming all conservatives are liars, war-mongers and misinformed; which means you are claiming to be the exact opposite”. I do not believe I say those things about Conservatives, or any in general. Saying those things would be generalizing and that seems to be reserved mostly those who have to resort to name calling and insults because they cannot relate as adults. Which side is more guilty of that but not from me. Oh, this site has been welcomed to all by Bob Livingston. You know him, don’t you? He is one of this sites hosts. He says this site is for all views and not only the conservative view.

          I started coming here because I noticed it was mostly slanted right and I though I could share opinions with those who did not agree with me on an adult level as a learning experience. I didn’t realize there were many on here who had to name call all those who didn’t agree with them. I go to HuffingtonPost but I bet you know they see things moire for all of us and not only the wealthy there. It is nice there but so easy with most people agreeing. Except for the articles the degree of learning is lower with the comments. This is why I come here, and to share views. I learn a lot from some on your side but no one has to agree with anyone.

          By the way, in spite of your accusation I have never felt intellectually and morally superior to anyone. It is nice of you to assume that though.

      • JeffH

        macgyver, you’re a real funny guy, not Ben funny mind you but still funny, in a progressive sort of way.

        Jay, all of the above…guilty as charged.

        • macgyver1948

          Nazis assumed guilt form those who didn’t agree with them too. So charge away if you think it will mean anything…

      • JeffH

        mac, you really should consider a return to Huff-n-toke and you might want to consider the Democratic Underground if you’re not already a member…
        You’ll get a lot more “like mided” posters there and a lot less grief.

      • Kate8

        mcgyver – Just one question. If you are really Jewish like you say, and I assume you are, why does it not bother you that the Left works continually to stamp out everything to do with God, to ban the Bible (including the Torah), the Ten Commandments, and any and all reference to a Holy Father, and is great pursuit of all decadent and evil things which have been condemned by God? They try to silence us from even speaking of such things, ban us from praying in all public places, and generally have contempt for any and all things both Jewish and Christian.

        I enjoy studying the OT and our Jewish roots. The fact that some of us have accepted the teachings of Yeshua, which are based on Love, does not negate our Jewish roots. Many of us are of Jewish bloodlines. I’m sorry you feel that we stole your Holy Book, but the early followers of Yeshua WERE practicing Jews in every way except that they believed Yeshua was the promised Messiah. Not all Christians accept the changes made by the Roman papacy.

        Jews expected an Earthly King and Messiah who would establish Jewish reign on Earth. Yeshua told us that God’s Kingdom was not of this Earth, but of a higher realm, as the things of the Earth are corruptable and pass away. And he taught that we enter these realms through the consciousness of Divine Love, through the heart, which unite us with the Father. He taught that following the Law was meaningless except that it be written on our hearts and kept in spirit first.

        BTW, if you read the Psalms (and other books, as well), God speaks the wicked in high places who call themselves Jews but are not. He is talking about the Zionists, the money-changers.

        Then again, I do realize that many, if not most, Jews of today are really secularists, and call themselves Jews by heritage only. If that is you, then none of this matters.

        • macgyver1948

          Kate8 … I do not know anything of what you say about the left trying to eliminate God and Torah. That I never heard. But I do know that idea came from the Romans and from Paul continuing on with Christians who believed Paul. Many far right Conservatives who are born again and Evangelicals and some others are trying to force Paul-ism which has highly insulted and disrespected Judaism since the time of Paul. Even the surviving disciples after the Christ execution wanted to get rid of Paul for his disrespect and insults. That is why that kind of Bigotry doesn’t bother me from the left, it isn’t there for the most part.

          I didn’t say you stole The Hebrew Bible, I said you took it as it always was and is for all who want it. Your taking it was not my problem, I explained what it was. We do not believe NT is a continuation of our bible so there is no OT for us. We do not call our bible the OT because it assumes there is a NT for us and there isn’t.

          We know God’s Kingdom is not of this earth. We never would believe a demi-god has or will come here because we do not believe in divine or immaculate conceptions. If you remember it correctly the Hebrew Messiah will be born of two mortal parents and he will come only in God’s time. That hasn’t happened yet. Jesus is not a Hebrew Messiah nor was he a Hebrew King. And unlike what I have heard from Christians we Jews do not believe he was only a Prophet. There are a number of deeds the chosen one will perform before we will know him and no one has yet done the deeds. Jesus performed none of them by the way for us to think he was The Hebrew Messiah. This is why we do not see a NT in any form. You say “Jews expected an Earthly King and Messiah who would establish Jewish reign on Earth”. Yep and that “ Earthly” guy will have those 2 mortal parents and when, and only then, he performs all the deeds to show us who he is, he will be anointed king and not before.

          You say “BTW, if you read the Psalms (and other books, as well), God speaks the wicked in high places who call themselves Jews but are not. He is talking about the Zionists”. I know the psalms you are referring to but I am wondering. You say “He is talking about the Zionists”. So, you are speaking and meaning for God now? Good luck with that and to all who try.

          My family bibles go back a long way. All four of my grandparents, the lucky ones in the family who could be here because of the stuff going on in Europe at the time, shows our Jewishness goes back a long way. It shows I am of the tribe of Levi, son of Reuben, for what that is worth. You seem to want to say I am a false Jew. Go for it if you like… It won’t matter.

      • Kate8

        Mcgyver – I didn’t say you were a false Jew. I posed a question to you, because I question that you support people who are so corrupt and godless. If you haven’t noticed the Ten Commandments and any other Judao-Christian reference being banned in America, I don’t know where you’ve been for the past few decades, since it’s been going on from the time they banned prayer in schools in the mid 20th century. Perhaps it’s because Christians have been more reactive to those issues since they are not openly publicized in Leftist rags, which most Jewish folks would read. Non-relgious people would not be interested in it.

        The Bible tells us about one world government, and the beasts, etc. I’m sure you’ve read Daniel, and also in many other places, as well. So, in order to complete this abomination, they have to first get rid of all peoples who honor the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We are the ones who resist the NWO.

        I refer to OT and NT because I have no other way to distinguish them. Paul was Saul, a Jewish zealot who went around slaughtering followers of Yeshua prior to his Damascus moment. As far as I know, he didn’t kill anyone after that, because followers of Christ do not kill.

        There is actually some question regarding Paul even among certain Christian factions. The NT was compiled by the Roman papacy council during the reign of Constantine, with the purpose of bringing the Christian movement under their control. This is why they changed times and dates, feasts and precepts… and the pope declared himself to be of equal power with God, with the ability to change anything he so chooses, even precepts.

        I am aware of how Jews feel about Yeshua. I also know that there is a great Jewish Messianic movement which is growing larger. If you understand what Christ’s message was, you understand who he was. Is. He came to show us that the Spirit of God is at the center, is the Essence, of every one of us, and when we allow that Spirit to awaken within us, we move toward at-one-ment with God.

        Just as we can be father/mother, husband/wife, parent/child, all at the same time… we are created in His Image. Different aspects of One, not three separate beings. God dwells in all of Creation, as infinite expressions, yet is One. You are not looking at it the right way.

        But we all have to examine our own hearts to decide how we honor God. It is not for any of us to judge the heart of another, and I respect your choices in this matter. I also know that we are all programmed by belief, and belief is only belief, not Truth. God is the only Truth. All else is belief. When we finally realize that, our eyes will open…

        • macgyver1948

          Kate8…. :-)))… I very much have noticed religion has taken a beaten in our country especially since Government kicked God out of schools. I want prayer brought back to schools but only silent prayer. At the appointed time, presumingly in the mornings, there should be the announcement for it but there cannot be any mention of any religion or bible. That way “Freedom Of Religion” will be preserved and all can silently pray to God how they and their family chooses, not how any one dictates or influences..
          I think you are off the mark by implying Jews are not speaking up because of this, there is something historically influential that you are missing. Throughout history, well, in the last 2000 years or so since your Jesus, where ever Jews were taken to they had to be quieter than most because of bigotry, the anti-Semitic kind. It was a survival and a let-us-live-our-lives kind of thing. When Jews came here to the US that survival instinct was brought with them and they perhaps taught it to their children. Even bigots of any religion can be nasty when they choose to be.
          :-)).. I very much know about Danial and his prophecies. I also know the history which proved his prophecies. Thank you for this one.

          Danial told us that there will be a great evil. A greater beast will order a lessor beast to destroy the great city. Now we know in that area and that time the great city was Jerusalem. Danial also went on to say the great city will be destroyed totally and the people will experience their end of days. Another thing Danial said was the lessor beast’s name will equal 666 in the Hebrew alphabet. Does this sound familiar?
          Jesus taught Danial’s prophecies because that is what rabbis do, their main function is to teach Torah and our bible. Rabbi means teacher and that is what they do, teach Torah, as well as their other duties. Jesus was reciting Danial’s prophecies and that is all.

          Now we also know from history, just about 34 years after Jesus was executed for heresy, two major things happened in the year 70. First, the Israelite Rebellion was totaled eliminated after many years for trying. The other thing that happened that year was the Emperor Of Rome, a huge beast, ordered his son, General Titus, as lessor beast, to totally destroy Jerusalem and end the days of all there. He also ordered the 2nd Hebrew Temple to be taken apart brick by brick and the religious artifacts be sent to Rome. I am not the Hebrew scholar I would like to be but I have read that the name TITUS equals 666 in the Hebrew alphabet but I can not be sure. Anyway, does any of this sound familiar? To me this is just way to much coincidence for something else later, with so many similarities, to be more than just an embellished dream but that too I can not be sure of. Just my feeling and opinion and I do not believe ion coincidences.

          You say “So, in order to complete this abomination, they have to first get rid of all peoples who honor the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob”. Do you know how many times that has been tried and not just since the Romans. There must be a reason we are still around and I strongly feel that is because of Torah and our strong belief in God and his laws regardless of what Paul who have us believe. In all due respect I cannot believe in Paul’s or Saul’s Damascus, on the road to, vision moments. To us that just didn’t happen. We would be denying and saying no to God if we do believe Paul.
          You said “As far as I know, he didn’t kill anyone after that, because followers of Christ do not kill”. Would you like to rephrase that a bit? History shows there have been many killings by Christians in the name of God or just out of anger. Just as one example, religious Christians with the Witch murders, there are more in history. Jews killing people too so don’t get to thinking I think it isn’t so.
          You then go into “The NT was compiled by the Roman papacy council during the reign of Constantine, with the purpose of bringing the Christian movement under their control”. Yep they sure did and Constantine was huge in this but is wasn’t simply as you imply.

          The Romans knew paganism was dying and that the Roman Empire was falling. So they got together for the purpose of Rome’s survival and the continuance of their power and control. They felt a good chance of that would be to unite all of Rome under one religion. They brought in (this was third century stuff and then beyond to complete it) Jewish Christians, Jews and Pagans and perhaps others. The Jews left because they couldn’t agree on what was being suggested and I bet that pissed the Romans off some more and why they worked harder to devolve most of real Judaism. That included revamping anti-Jewish sentiment for their followers to continue the tradition. I suppose if you do not agree with Romans they will punish you for it.
          From there they gathered all the religious documents and stories they could. Of those the eliminated what wouldn’t work for them and strongly edited the remainders to how it would work for them. In time they had the first Christian Bible published known as the Catholic bible and the Roman Empire evolved into the Catholic Church. Same notions but slightly different dress. They saved the Empire and maintained the control and power they wanted.

          I will end with this since this is getting long. You say “If you understand what Christ’s message was, you understand who he was. Is. He came to show us that the Spirit of God is at the center, is the Essence, of every one of us, and when we allow that Spirit to awaken within us, we move toward at-one-ment with God.
          Jews cannot believe this because it so very much contradicts Torah and God Himself to us. Also, we simply cannot believe or pray to demi-gods because we believe they never existed, not the Greek kind or the Roman or the Egyptian. With the Constantine people we believe Jesus is of the Roman kind. This is why we say the NT is NOT a continuation of our bible, again, we do not even call it OT. Christ was only a man in history to us and he fulfilled none of the prophecies for us to consider him for anointing as the awaited Hebrew Messiah or a Hebrew king.
          To each his own faith equally so “freedom Of Religion” can prevail. We cannot realize it just your way or anyone else’s way, it has to be as we each see and accept God.

      • Jay

        mac says: I started coming here because I noticed it was mostly slanted right and I though I could share opinions with those who did not agree with me on an adult level as a learning experience.

        Hmm, the leprous-messiah, come-to-save-us-from-ourselves, spiel. Save yourself first, mac, then you’ll see your way clear to save others. Such arrogance! What is it with you progressive? Your arrogance knows no bounds!

      • Kate8

        Jay – It’s truly amazing, isn’t it? The way the Left considers themselves to be more enlightened than the rest ouf us knuckledraggers. Karolyn has even stated that she’s here to perhaps bring enlightenment to some. How noble.

        Of course, when you consider that those who feel they must force their ideas upon others do so because they are insecure in their own position. So they have to make sure others agree with them, so they feel comfortable. The ironic thing is that they are so utterly clueless and ignorant of the world around them…their world is in their minds, so they make it look the way they want it. I know of one goofy “spiritual” website that actually calls Obama a “lightworker”. Well, I suppose that is what Lucifer is called, the Lightbearer… because no helper of the Divine would be a consummate liar…

        BTW, I’ve seen photos and videos showing Tutankhaman/Osiris artifacts with a face that looks uncannily like Obama. I was really taken aback, because antichrist is said by some to be descended from Osiris/the Pharoahs. I can only surmise that it’s a hoax which some will swallow, thinking him to be the return of Osiris/Apollyon… unless, of course, it turns out that the great mystery of his origins is that he was cloned using DNA from a mummy… apparently they have been doing these things for a long time, cloning giants and all sorts of things from yore… But, no…it’s far more likely that he is, indeed, the offspring of a prostitute, which would, in itself, be celebrated by the Left. Evil is as evil does…

        But then, we are to expect a grand delusion which most will accept. It seems to get weirder every day. These dopey newagers are being set up big time, and they think they are so evolved. Anyway, it’s fascinating to watch thing thing unfold…

      • Jay

        Kate8, i’m certain that obama comes from two specific blood-line(s), as all previous presidents have, except for two. Neither of the blood-lines, as history and current events would confirm, are beneficial for humanity, as they have caused nothing but suffering and mayhem. Thankfully, their days are numbered, and their heritage will one day be no more. Amen!

      • Kate8

        macgyver – As far as my understanding of history goes, most of what you say is true, and I have stated much the same in other posts at other times. I eliminated much of the detail for brevity’s sake.

        I also agree that they Jews are the one race which has survived all attempts of eradication, having been scattered the world over, and still able to maintain their integrity, to a degree. There are, however, many factions, as with other religions.

        History does tend to repeat itself. “There is nothing new under the sun”. We are now repeating the things spoken of in Daniel, the Psalms, Isaiah, Ezekiel, the minor prophets…

        I love studying the Torah and the Talmud, or OT as we call it. And I also love listening to Rabbi Lapin…I have some of his works on Torah symbolism. Without understanding from a Jewish perspective, Christians miss the deeper revelations held therein. I do greatly honor the Jews…at least the ones true to their faith. I also believe that Christianity was corrupted by the Romans, and this was done to keep us feeling separated from the rest of Creation and how we are all part of it. The knowledge of cycles and Feasts was changed to the present calendar and celebrations, which is completely unnatural and out of sync with God’s natural Earth, lunar, solar and galactic cycles. The Feasts were given as a prophetic timeline, besides their obvious plan for spiritual cleansing and renewal.

        As for Christians killing in the name of their faith…well, this is true of all religions, because religions are used by despots as a means to manipulate weak-minded people. Christ lived by God’s Commandments, which command us not to commit murder. Anyone true to his teachings would not do so. As you know, most people of any religion are lukewarm and fairly ignorant of what it’s about.

        Most Christians would disagree with me for this, but I believe that Christ, when he spoke of I, was speaking of the I AM within each of us, not the man Jesus. He spoke of “our Father” and was trying to show us the Way to God. His problem with the Jews, specifically the Pharasees, was that they were strict about the letter of the Law but lacked the spirit of the Law in their hearts. He didn’t set out to start a new religion. He came to show the Jew, his own people, the way, through the heart, to God’s Consciousness. He was not trying to make himself a new god. He was trying to show us all that God is Within us, not separate from us, and that there is a way to “the peace which passes all understanding” that comes with Oneness with the Father. He did, in fact, embody the Holy Spirit and as such was, indeed, Son of God.

        I am not trying to convert you, but to tell you that you, as well as the majority of people, have not understood that there are not three gods, but ONE GOD, which abides in all of His Creation. There is the Divine Father aspect, Divine Mother aspect, and the fruit of that union, which is Creation. This is taught in Jewish mysticism, in which Yeshua was well studied, as with any good rabbi.

        Anyone should be able to pray any time, anywhere. And, really, we can, because prayer is not something that needs to be done openly. It is a private communion with God. But having a time set aside for silent prayer is always conducive to better life all the way around, as is a good habit to have. If people want to have a spoken prayer with those of like mind, they should have that right, as well. No one needs to be forced to participate.

        The bottom line is freedom to be whatever we choose to be. No one has the right to make the rules for everyone. People can agree on basic conduct for society, and beyond that, we should all be able to have absolute freedom.

        That is why I really don’t understand the Jewish loyalty to a party bent on socialism and absolute control, and which not only tolerates but embraces all manner of immoral and degrading behavior, including killing the most innocent of life: the unborn. In fact, the Left champions the causes of the depraved.

        BTW, the TEA Party people are ONLY about restoring our Constitutional Republic, our freedoms (including freedom from economic slavery), and they absolutely do NOT support the corporate elite. That is just Left-wing propaganda, because the Left despises the Constitution, freedom, and right living in all it’s forms.

        In my younger days I was more left-leaning, until I understood what was really happening in America. My values are more conservative, but on the political level, both parties are corrupt. They are, in fact, two heads of the same beast, put in place to give the illusion of choice while we are being led down the path of enslavement and ultimate destruction, to benefit the global financial elite and their dream (from the time of Nimrod) of world domination.

        • macgyver1948

          Kate8…. “I do greatly honor the Jews…at least the ones true to their faith. I also believe that Christianity was corrupted by the Romans, and this was done to keep us feeling separated from the rest of Creation and how we are all part of it”. We are truly part of it all and are connected. We are not separate, we just believe we are. We are universal which means for all. The word Catholic mean Universal or for all the same. If I remember correctly I read in the Catholic bible that Jesus was standing roughly a few hundred yards from the Temple in Jerusalem and said, paraphrasing because of my senility at the end of the day, “here on this spot I would want to build my Catholic Church”. If he really said that with his Tarah like guidance and influence. I believe he meant a place where all could come and pray and accept God freely as they choose. I also think the Romans took that and ran with it to mean what has come to be known as the Catholic Church.

          Your wording “Most Christians would disagree with me for this, but I believe that Christ, when he spoke of I, was speaking of the I AM within each of us, not the man Jesus. He spoke of “our Father” and was trying to show us the Way to God. His problem with the Jews…”. I have read two Christian bibles, the Catholic and the King James, cover to cover and I remember a fair amount. They are so much the same book except for some book deletions in The KJV and some other adjustments. Naturally as a Jew I look at Jesus differently. I see the man as a rabbi and as a rabbi he would know it is a sin to speak of himself as though he were God in any way. As with all who give Jewish sermons they quote Torah and other parts of our bible. I always believed when Jesus said things like “only through me can you enter heaven”, whatever, he was quoting God from Torah and never himself. It wouldn’t be Jesus who would contradict, for example, Deuteronomy and the Ten Commandants by saying the Sabbath would be any day but the day we know as Saturday, per God, the 7th day.

          You say “He didn’t set out to start a new religion. He came to show the Jew, his own people, the way, through the heart, to God’s Consciousness. He was not trying to make himself a new god” I agree with you. I am not sure if he got turned around or people like Constantine “turned” him around – 2nd half of the third century and beyond. What I get as the main difference between the Jewish community and the Christan-Jews, including the disciples, was the belief that Jesus was the Hebrew Messiah or not. For it to make sense to me they would have to believe as Torah and the Prophets say, that being the Hebrew Messiah is a mortal – all mortal with two biological parents. The demi-god and immaculate conception idea is a pagan thing so I do not believe the disciples believed Jesus was that. So, it had to come from the Romans and in how they designed the NT a couple of hundred or so years later.

          “His problem with the Jews, specifically the Pharasees, was that they were strict about the letter of the Law but lacked the spirit of the Law in their hearts” I have a small problem with this but not much and it is just the angle of belief and acceptance. According to some Hebrew scholars our history shows little of Jesus but they say there were no real problems between the Pharisees and Jesus. Just, according to some of my readings, was considered a good rabbi, perhaps a bit radical, but he was accepted as he was even though he was not taken as The Hebrew Messiah and that was because Jesus did not fulfill any of the necessary deeds as defined by prophecy. I know, I mentioned that to you before, sorry. I do not understand the history in the NT on that. Many Hebrews and the Pharisees did live for the spirit of Torah as well as the letter. So who really knows by now which versions are right but it does fit the needs of the Romans for us to believe how it is in the NT.

          “Jewish mysticism” as in Kabbalah? I have books and tape course on it but so far I just know some wording. But in there it proclaims we are all connected with God.

          You and I disagree on “the party of absolute control” but that is fine because I respect your belief in that. I also believe that most TEA Party members, the rank and file, are truly for liberty and “restoring our Constitutional Republic, our freedoms (including freedom from economic slavery), and they absolutely do NOT support the corporate elite”. I am for all that too, very much but I see the TEA at the top as working so hard for corporate benefit only. I see the Koch Klan as all corporate because people like them are just that. I see Romney as totally the Koch-like puppet as is Ryan, a great VP choice for TEA. Ryan will strengthen the faith TEA had in Romney.

          You end with “both parties are corrupt. They are, in fact, two heads of the same beast, put in place to give the illusion of choice while we are being led down the path of enslavement and ultimate destruction, to benefit the global financial elite and their dream”… LOL wow do we agree on that. Yes we do but I do see the Koch influences as being very harmful for those who are not big corporate or very wealthy and those who would not agree with them. Anyway, whatever you think of Jessie The Body Ventura I believe he had something reality based in his quote, my attempt to remember it, “Politicians are like the WWE”. I see that as meaning they show their hate for one another in front of the cameras but behind the scenes they are connected in their common agendas.

      • Kate8

        mac – We’ve had these debates over the Koch brothers here before, and frankly, I couldn’t care less about them. They are no different from George Soros and numerous others on the Left. Besides, these jokers are only adversaries in front of cameras, in order to snow us and give us a show. Off camera, they are lodge brothers, partners in the greatest crime ever perpetrated on America. And that’s all I care to say about politics. I do not believe that, as things stand, a political solution is possible. Politicians and their cronies have only their own interests at heart, and we do not matter to a single one of them. In fact, they believe that most of us will soon perish and they will be left to inherit the Earth, so we are of no consequence whatsoever.

        I suggest you read up on UN Agenda 21 and population reduction strategies. I’ll leave that up to you, because they intent to take all that we own (that is, what they’ve allowed us to have).

        I’m sure you realize that the Catholic church came about centuries after Christ’s death, and, in order to have command of the growing band of Christ followers (who were terribly persecuted) they combined the teachings of Christ with pagan festivals and gods and formed a “universal” religion. The denominations which proceeded from the Church of Rome continued with these teachings, and thus have been operating under false doctrine from the start. This was never Yeshua’s intent, and would have deeply grieved him. Yet, he knew that it would happen, and said so, having spoken of false Christs and false doctrines.

        Anyhoo, I know that God does not Will that his people should be at each others’ throats. So I just want to bless you and say “Godspeed”, my friend. May He light your way and guide you in His Truth.

      • Vigilant

        Mr. Livingston, could you please explain how macgyver1948 has the ability to post comments out of chronological sequence in the thread? It has happened several times already.

        The only time I’ve seen that done was when you did it in reply to some of my comments, so I assumed you have control over the placement of postings. macgyver1948 doesn’t appear to have comments worthy of moderation, which might have caused this to happen.

        Is there someone at PLD with this ability who is using an alter ego to provoke comments?

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear Vigilant,

          You write: “Mr. Livingston, could you please explain how macgyver1948 has the ability to post comments out of chronological sequence in the thread?” I have no explanation.

          You write: “Is there someone at PLD with this ability who is using an alter ego to provoke comments?” No.

          Best wishes,

      • Jay

        Vigilant, glad you brought it up. The same crossed my mind, as well!

      • sam1966

        I understand what you patriots are saying. Sometimes when I start typing, my computer will freeze till the reply box gets smaller. Then I can start typing again. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Ted

    Nice try, Benji. I think I’ve got you figured out – When a Democrat makes a charge and doesn’t back it up with facts, he’s a liar – But when a Reublican does the same thing, he’s Vice Presidential material.

    • Vigilant

      Elaborate, please, and enlighten us.

      • Ted

        Vig – on April 11, 2012 – West stated that “there’s about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party that are members of the Communist Party.” I’m still waiting for their names and the date they officially joined. Also, it would be nice if he told us which of the numerous Communist parties each joined. Until he does that, IMHO he’s in the same boat as Sen. Reid, who Benji labelled a liar.

      • Sirian

        Simply go to this site and you will get as much info concerning the number of Commies in Congress as you’d like – or should I say, dislike? More than likely you’ll quickly dismiss this source of info as most Progressive/Communists do.

      • eddie47d

        Thanks Ted for not a one of them belongs to the communist party yet it gets stated as a Republican fact. A few may have opinions leaning to the left but that is hardly proof. Someone could just as easily state that Republicans belong to the American Nazi Party because of their extreme right wing views. That would be a very long list if taken into that direction. I believe that would be inappropriate but slander can be a two way street. Just because the Republicans say so doesn’t make it so.

      • Vigilant

        Ted says, “West stated that “there’s about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party that are members of the Communist Party.”

        My major concern, aside from the truth pronounced by West, is that the CIC (NOT Commander in Chief but Communist in Charge) is sitting in the Oval Office.

        Strange, wouldn’t you say, that so few leftists (ONE to be exact) felt they had the brains to fabricate a reply to Bob Livingston’s article “New Evidence Shows Obama Joined Socialist New Party January 11, 1996.” (

        As always, you true believers put your fingers in your ears and hum when confronted with hard facts. Cowardly, to the nth degree.

      • Jay

        Sirian and Vigilant, Ted is already fully aware of the info you posted, he’s just a butt-hole!

      • Warrior

        Sirian and Vig, you guys are spot on. I know personally because I live under their rule. These progressives are despicable excuses for humans.

      • Sirian

        Vig & Warrior,
        As a side topic – and we wonder how kids in college are being so blatantly indoctrinated. >:(

      • Michael J.

        Most all of todays colleges are communist assembly lines. After Obamacare, higher learning/Marxist indoctrination, is his most fervent push to ensure subsequent generations of America haters.

      • Kate8

        Could this be another reason why we have so many brain-dead liberals these days?

        A virus that makes people hate religion?

      • macgyver1948

        Vigiliant… It seems so strange that the proof, sites and videos, used by the Right are so obviously (poorly made) BS propaganda sites. Tokyo Rose was better prepared and she was a huge liar and phony too.

      • JeffH

        macgyver, for a man that relys on gathering his information through emails from progressive organizations…you’re not very believable.

      • Vigilant

        macgyver1948, strangest of all is your propensity to avoid fact-based argument, preferring instead to rely on form rather than substance.

        Poorly made or well made, verifiable and documented fact remains fact. Now would you assail the asserions made by intelligent discussion, or will you persist in the Alinsky technique of attacking the messenger?

        • macgyver1948

          Vigilant… It sounds like we are playing chess here as you describe my next move in the technique. If you do not like my technique I will try to do better for you, :-)…

      • Vigilant

        Related to West’s comment, West Spokesman Angela Melvin said, “The Congressman was referring to the 76 members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. The Communist Party has publicly referred to the Progressive Caucus as its allies. The Progressive Caucus speaks for itself. These individuals certainly aren’t proponents of free markets or individual economic freedom.”

      • sam1966

        Mac, Tokyo Rose was trained and paid to lie on the air. It was a form of psychological warfare to break the morale of our troops in the Pacific Region. Just like Seoul City Sue who broadcasted from PyongYang during the Korean War. Just like when we drop “propaganda bombs” onto our enemies, many leaflets that say they should give up because they won’t win. It’s all the same thing. They are not lying, but rather doing what they were trained and paid to do. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.


      What about when Dems make a false charge, and then back it up with proof that shows they are liars? Obama, Biden, Reid,Pelosi, Axelrod, Burton, and Schultz are just a few of the serial liars.

      • Power To The People

        Tell a lie enough and it becomes the truth…..that’s the Demorat strategy as it always has been. Obummer has just taken it to a new level…or should I say down to a new low!

      • sam1966

        They are all students of Saul Alinsky, George Soros, and Josef Goebbels. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Ted

      Vig – Bob Livingston quoted another blogger who had proof that when Obama was campaigning for State Senate, he spoke to the New Party and signed their roster. What he didn’t prove is that the New Party, which dissolved in 1998, was a socialist party. They didn’t seem to have any economic agenda at all, just some ideas to make it easier for third parties to be more successful by using the system they use in New York.

      Better Luck next time.

      • Jay

        Despite the best effort of this administration, strong political divisions are getting stronger each and every day. It is important to recognize that the battle is not so much between political parties, but between idealogies.

        Dominant factions comprised of liberals and conservatives dominate today’s debates with smaller groups like libertarians and socialists vying for attention. Given who is in charge, it is important to identify the “enemy” and understand that there are many kinds of liberals.

        Some of the greatest conservative practitioners emerged out of liberalism (Reagan, Churchill), so while it is convenient to label these people as afflicted with the dangerous disease of liberalism, do keep in mind – it is curable.

        Like a famous quote once suggested: “If you’re not Liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not Conservative when you’re 35, you have no brain.”

      • Vigilant

        Ted, why is it that Marxist socialists like yourself and Barack Obama expend such energy in denying their roots, membership in socialist organizations and leftist sympathies, while at the same time spouting the very same bankrupt propaganda of those sources?

        I’ve never met anyone who tries to hide their proclivities and history with as much alacrity as do your ilk. The kneejerk and Orwellian denial is in itself a condemnation of your disingenuousness.

        Your claim that the New Parrty “didn’t seem to have any economic agenda at all…” is a flat lie and you know it. There’s ample evidence of its ties to ACORN and its economics-based agenda. “New Party founder Daniel Cantor and other key staff members left to found the Working Families Party of New York (1998).” (Wikipedia) The New York State Communist Party endorses it, saying that “many of these important progressive forces are working within the Working Families Party.”

        You can run, Ted the Red, but you can’t hide. Better Luck next time.

      • Kate8

        Jay – Unless, of course, you were infected with this:

        Anyway, we don’t need links to know what Obama’s about. He demonstrates this with every speech and every stroke of his magic pen.

      • Vigilant

        Hey Ted the Rad, take a gander at this, from

        Obama’s communist roots:

        “• His father wrote a paper which advocated 100% taxation of the rich, communal ownership of land and confiscation of private property, and penned an article in Kenya entitled “The Problems Facing Our Socialism”;

        • His mother was a Communist sympathizer who had been described as a “fellow traveler” while she was alive, whose teachers at Mercer Island High School forced students to read the Communist Manifesto;

        • His parents met in a Russian language class;

        • His mentor was known Communist Party member Frank Marshall Davis and in Hawaii from 1971 to 1979, Davis treated Obama like a son;

        • His brother Roy Obama is a Marxist, and also a radical Muslim;

        • His cousin Odinga is also a Marxist and a radical Muslim who seeks to establish Shariah courts in Kenya;

        • He attended a socialist conference at Copper Union;

        • He was hand picked by Illinois State Senator Alice Palmer to succeed her, and Palmer attended the 27th Communist Party Congress in the Soviet Union;

        • His campaign for the Illinois State Senate was organized by avowed Marxists Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorhn.”

        And if that ain’t enough for you, kindly explain why a nonsocialist would appoint a card-carrying memeber of the communist party (Van Jones) to a Czar position…or an acting communications director (Anita Dunn), who idolizes Mao Tse Tung…or a health care mogul (Dr. Berwick) who says that national health care is by its very nature a wealth redistribution program…etc,., etc.

        Subterfuge and blatant prevarication, thy name is Ted.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So you mean human groups don’t form themselves then have a split because of conflict of interests or visions. The groups don’t change their names and solidify their stance on issues.
        Pulling the wool over people’s eyes and hoping they stay blind, Ted.

      • Jay

        Genetic engineering makes it dangerously possible to change the programs which a person has stored in his brain for his life, thereby deeply interfering in his personality and soul burdens. These programs which are stored in the brain are transmitted to the human soul, and via the soul to the Spiritual, that is, to the material as well as the Spiritual repository designation.

        If a program has been newly entered into the brain, then this has a multitude of far-reaching effects for the person and for his soul. At this point, we cannot even imagine the consequences which arise from gene manipulation.

        We have heard of the possibility of blocking our level of feelings by way of the manipulating influences on our brain functions. Once the level of feelings is blocked, the link to the divine can be cut off, so that relationships to other people are influenced in completely new ways.

        Perhaps we see the suffering of our neighbor but do not give help, we only look to ourselves and see that we come through. It may be that we do only what the authorities order and do not listen to our moral obligations, or to our conscience. Even our conscience can be switched off entirely. How can we understand this?

        Our feelings signal what our soul wants to tell us. Here we are referring to the pure part of the soul, the divine in us. If we act unlawfully, we first sense a stirring at the level of our feelings, followed by a reaction in our world of sensations and thoughts. The emerging thoughts are easier to grasp than the feelings and sensations; in them we can recognize ourselves and from this decide to do better.

        A thought we think, a sentence we speak, has its actual meaning in the feelings and sensations that vibrate along with it. The basis for compassion, good will, sympathy and remorse is found in our level of feelings – but for negative stirrings as well. If the indicator “feeling” is turned off, then a thought – including the deed which grows out of it – can be accepted as perfectly logical and normal by a person, which otherwise would have been countered by warning impulses from his feelings and conscience.

        Feelings and conscience would have rung a bell and brought about the appropriate reactions in the body, such as being short of breath, a pounding heart, blushing, a “hoarse” voice, even a stomachache or the like. But since the level of feelings has become numb, all remains calm. The person stays “cool.”

        It is then possible for the person to think and act against the divine laws without being
        aware of it. Every person can easily imagine what this can mean for his/her life.

      • Kate8

        Jay – Very true. A person can also be corrupted by repeated thoughts and actions which they know are wrong at first, but in order to reconcile their behavior with their conscience, a certain rationalizing takes place, and the person becomes completely desensitized and numb. He no longer gets the impulses which tell him something is wrong.

        IOW, he throws out the restrainer. The Bible talks about the restrainer beging removed, when all h*ll breaks loose, including total lawlessness. It looks like we are pretty much there as a nation.

        Using genetic modification to speed up the process which has been being perpetrated through TV, music, etc. (which use frequency modulation to alter the state of a person’s thinking and even health) has been wildly successful, as we can see. As in the days of Noah…when God saw that all flesh had been corrupted, save Noah’s bloodline… He probably didn’t own a TV.

        Puzzling to me how the Jewish community cannot see the evil being done that goes so blatantly against the Laws of God. I guess they’re too busy counting their wealth to notice. Isn’t this what has always gotten them into trouble throughout human history.

      • Jay

        Kate8, genetic manipulation/alteration/corruption began long ago.

      • Jay

        The real sin in the Garden of Eden – Not eating an apple, but seduction into sexual sin – Cain the biological offspring of Satan?

    • sam1966

      Here is one about “smart democrats.”


      You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Warrior

    I like the veep pick. People in Wisconsin, except for Madison and Milwaukee, actually recognize leaders and statesmen, unlike IL where all we get is what the crook county demo progressive communist party shovels on us. Fraud n chief who couldn’t beat boooby rush for a congressional seat, durbin, jesse jr., jan the marxist schanowski, blago, madigan, gutierrez (who leads the whole gubmint in fastest rate of personal income growth -see list of 10), tiny dancer, axelrod, jarrett, and the list goes on and on. Go ahead you trained monkeys, have at it. Make your handlers proud!

  • bill

    reply to ted about commies in democrap party goto soda head look under COMMUNIST YOU VOTED IN TO OFFICE the cpusa was proud of thier list krewshev said commies would take over america and never fire a shot looks like its happenif conservitive dont do something

  • Josef Roubal

    Will Romney or Obama set the direction where the once magnificent USA will be heading? No, the American people will set this direction. I am sorry to say it, but American public seems to me like the chicken standing on the side of the highway looking toward the other side of the highway and as the eighteen wheeler truck is approaching the chicken thinks: “Why not?”
    One thing is missing in this stampede toward the Judgment Day; reason. The fact that Obama has in general 50% +/- support tells me that the Democrats succeeded in persuading the public into believing that they are the party of the smart and the party of the progress and the Republicans, more exactly conservatives are just a bunch of uneducated haters.
    Nothing is farther from the reality. Democrats successfully formulated their false beliefs into simple slogans easily understood by people on the same level. Conservative’s view of reality is more complex so those who call themselves progressive do not understand. Do they admit they do not understand? No way, they call conservatives, who are sophisticated beyond Progressives imagination, stupid, ignorant. It goes well with other people on the same level – do not forget, the vast majority of Americans are product of the education system ran by Democrats and Progressives. Only the best and the strongest who went through this system pulled themselves above Democratic and Progressive garbage.
    There is the book Thoughts & Theories by Josef Roubal (me) available from Amazon.comin Kindle, paper back and Hard Cover. It is cheaper from the It doesn’t sell well, first I am an absolutely unknown author and I am ESL thus there are grammar abuses. But I offer some new ideas and perhaps the most important I offer the conservative principles simplified as much as possible. It isn’t important to people who are conservative, but it may give them, and to the conservative politicians ideas how to counter Democrat’s lies and the half truths. Please take a look.
    I hope I did not broke ethic rules of this site by promoting my book.

  • boyscout

    Ben, Your humor is spot on with this one.
    Folks, I swallow all reasonable opines with a grain of salt. What I refuse to swallow is your insipid vulgarity and childish bickering. Pooo !

  • jopa

    Apparently Ben doesn’t know rank when it comes to our military.If he did he would know the Commander in Chief is the one making the decisions that protect our country and get the bad guys.America has not been attacked once since he took office, unlike the four attacks and the thousands killed under the last administration because they were sleeping on the job.We no longer hear about Somali pirates since Obama called the shot to take them out.Khadaffy is history and the ultimate prize is when President Obama had Seal Team Six take out Usama Bin Laden in the manner he did in order to gain thousands of documents to clear out more Al Qaeida.It is not just a matter of calling the shots it’s a matter of doing it in the right manner and our President has made it clear that he is made of the right stuff.America is truly blessed to have such a strong leader and he may go down in history as the greatest Commander in Chief of all time.Can you just try and picture the guy(Romney) with the dancing horse trying to make a strategic decision.He even got a $77,000 deduction for his horse.I have heard of a child care credit but this is crazy.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So you are becoming a PR spokesperson for the O campaign because you love O so. Just like a true believer in the messiah O, you must make mention of him to all and convert them all to be Leftists/Democrats.

    • chuckb

      jopa, this is a little long, hope your attention span can handle it..

      Thomas G. McINERNEY
      Lt Gen USAF Ret
      202 256 1039 CEL
      Our Commander in Chief at his finest, on the golf course!
      Interesting report on what the Seals say really happened. Interesting that the raid was almost halted until the elections. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
      This is great and gives you a good feeling until you get to the part where they explain the part about the Whitehouse interference.. I can’t wait for the book.
      Subject: Navy Seals tell details of killing ‘Bert’ Laden
      Upset by the official account, US Navy Seals commandos reveal the truth of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, nicknames and all.
      Osama Bin Laden was killed within 90 seconds of the US Navy Seals landing in his compound, and not after a protracted gun battle, according to the first account by the men who carried out the raid. The operation was so clinical that only 12 bullets were fired.
      The Seals have spoken out because they were angered at the version given by politicians, which they see as portraying them as cold-blooded murderers on a “kill mission”. They were also shocked that President Barack Obama announced bin Ladin’s death on television the same evening, rendering useless much of the intelligence they had seized.
      Chuck Pfarrer, the former commander of Seal Team 6, which conducted the operation, has interviewed many of those who took part, for a book, Seal Target Geronimo, to be published in the US .
      The Seals’ own accounts differ from the White House version, which gave the impression that bin Laden was killed at the end of the operation rather than in its opening seconds. Pfarrer insists bin Ladin would have been captured had he surrendered.
      “There isn’t a politician in the world who could resist trying to take credit for getting bin Laden, but it devalued the ‘intel’ and gave time for every other Al-Qaeda leader to scurry to another bolt hole,” said Pfarrer. “The men who did this and their valorous act deserve better. It’s a pretty shabby way to treat these guys.”
      The first hint of the mission came in January last year when the team’s commanding officer was called to a meeting at the headquarters of joint special operations command.
      The meeting was held in a soundproof bunker three stories below ground with
      his boss, Admiral William McRaven, and a CIA officer.
      They told him a walled compound in Pakistan had been under surveillance for a couple of weeks. They were certain a high-value individual was inside and needed a plan to present to the President.
      It had to be someone important. “So is this Bert or Ernie?” he asked. The Seals’ nicknames for bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri are a reference to two Muppets in Sesame Street , one tall and thin and the other short and fat. “We have a voice print,” said the CIA officer, “and we’re 60% or 70% certain it’s our guy.” McRaven added that a reconnaissance satellite had measured the target’s shadow. “Over 6 feet tall.”
      When McRaven added they would use Ghost Hawk helicopters, the team leader had no doubt. “These are the most classified, sophisticated stealth helicopters ever developed,” said Pfarrer. “They are kept in locked hangars and fly so quiet we call it ‘whisper mode’.”
      A plan was hatched. A mock-up of the compound was built at Tall Pines, an army facility in a national forest somewhere in the eastern US.
      Four reconnaissance satellites were placed in orbit over the compound, sending back video and communications intercepts. A tall figure seen walking up and down was named “the Pacer”.
      Originally Obama gave the go-ahead when Seal Team 6, known as the ‘Jedi’, was deployed to Afghanistan . The White House cancelled plans to provide air cover using jet fighters, fearing this might endanger relations with Pakistan ..
      Sending in the Ghost Hawks without air cover was considered too risky so the Seals had to use older Stealth Hawks. A Prowler electronic warfare aircraft from the carrier USS Carl Vinson was used to jam Pakistan ‘s radar and create decoy targets.
      ‘Operation Neptune ‘s Spear’ was initially planned for April 30 but bad weather delayed it until May 1, a moonless night. The commandos flew on two Stealth Hawks, codenamed Razor 1 and 2, followed by two Chinooks five minutes behind, known as “Command Bird” and the “gun platform”.
      On board, each Seal was clad in body armor and night vision goggles and equipped with laser targets, radios and sawn-off M4 rifles. They were expecting up to 30 people in the main house, including bin Laden and three of his wives, two sons, Khalid and Hamza, his courier, Abu Ahmed Kuwaiti, four bodyguards and a number of children.
      At 56 minutes past midnight the compound came into sight and the code ” Palm Beach ” signaled three minutes to landing.
      Razor 1 hovered above the main house, a three-story building where bin Laden lived on the top floor. Twelve Seals abseiled the 5 ft – 6 ft down onto the roof, and then jumped to a third-floor patio, where they kicked in the windows and entered.
      The first person the Seals encountered was a terrified woman, bin Ladin’s third wife, Khaira, who ran into the hall. Blinded by a searing white strobe light they shone at her, she stumbled back. A Seal grabbed her by the arm and threw her to the floor.
      Bin Laden’s bedroom was along a short hall. The door opened; he popped out and then slammed the door shut. “Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo,” radioed one Seal, meaning “eyes on target”.
      At the same time lights came on from the floor below and bin Laden’s son Khalid came running up the stairs towards the Seals. He was shot dead.
      Two Seals kicked in bin Laden’s door. The room, they later recalled, “smelled like old clothing, like a guest bedroom in a grandmother’s house”. Inside was the Al-Qaeda leader and his youngest wife, Amal, who was screaming as bin Laden pushed her in front of him.
      “No, no, don’t do this!” she shouted. bin Laden reached across the king-size bed for his AK-47 assault rifle. The Seals reacted firing instantly. One round thudded into the mattress. The other, aimed at bin Laden’s head, grazed Amal in the calf. As bin Ladin’s hand reached for the gun, they each fired again, one shot hit his breastbone, the other his skull, killing him instantly and blowing out the back of his head.
      Meanwhile Razor 2 was heading for the guest house, a low, shoebox like building, where bin Ladin’s courier, Kuwaiti, and his brother lived.
      As the helicopter neared, a door opened and two figures appeared, one waving an AK-47. This was Kuwaiti. In the moonless night he could see nothing and lifted his rifle, spraying bullets wildly.
      He probably didn’t not see the Stealth Hawk. On board someone shouted, “Bust him!”, and a sniper fired two shots. Kuwaiti was killed, as was the person behind him, who turned out to be his wife. Also on board were a CIA agent, a Pakistani- American who would act as interpreter, and a sniffer dog called Karo, wearing dog body armor and goggles.
      Within two minutes the Seals from Razor 2 had cleared the guest house and removed the women and children.
      They then ran to the main house and entered from the ground floor, checking the rooms. One of bin Ladin’s bodyguards was waiting with his AK-47. The Seals shot him twice killing him.
      Five minutes into the operation the command Chinook landed outside the compound, disgorging the commanding officer and more men. They blasted through the compound wall and rushed in.
      The commander made his way to the third floor, where bin Ladin’s body lay on the floor face up. Photographs were taken, and the commander called on his satellite phone to headquarters with the words: “Geronimo Echo KIA” bin Laden enemy – killed in action.
      “This was the first time the White House knew bin Laden was dead and it was probably 20 minutes into the raid,” said Pfarrer.
      A sample of bin Laden’s DNA was taken and the body was bagged. They kept his rifle. It is now mounted on the wall of the Seal’s team room at their headquarters in Virginia Beach , Virginia , alongside photographs of a dozen colleagues killed in action in the past 20 years.
      At this point things started to go wrong. Razor 1 took off but the top secret “green unit” that controls the electronics failed. The aircraft went into a spin and crashed tail-first into the compound.
      The Seals were alarmed, thinking it had been shot down, and several rushed to the wreckage. The crew climbed out shaken but unharmed.
      The commanding officer ordered them to destroy Razor 2, to remove the green unit, and to smash the avionics. They then laid explosive charges.
      They loaded bin Laden’s body onto the Chinook along with the cache of intelligence in plastic bin bags and headed toward the USS Carl Vinson. As they flew off they blew up Razor 2.
      The whole operation had taken 38 minutes.
      The following morning White House officials announced that the helicopter had crashed as it arrived, forcing the Seals to abandon plans to enter from the roof. A photograph of the situation room showed a shocked Hillary Clinton, the Secretary of State, with her hand to her mouth.
      Why did they get it so wrong? What they were watching was live video but it was shot from 20,000 feet by a drone circling overhead and relayed in real time to the White House and Leon Panetta, the CIA director, in Langley . The Seals were not wearing helmet cameras, and those watching in Washington had no idea what was happening inside the buildings.
      “They don’t understand our terminology, so when someone said the ‘insertion helicopter’ has crashed, they assumed it meant on entry,” said Pfarrer.
      What infuriated the Seals, according to Pfarrer, was the description of the raid as a ‘kill mission’. “I’ve been a Seal for 30 years and I never heard the words ‘kill mission’,” he said. “It’s a Beltway [ Washington insider's] fantasy word. If it was a ‘kill mission’, you don’t need Seal Team 6; you need a box of hand grenades.”

      • jopa

        chuckb: Checked up on your sources and the General retired in 2004 so what would he know about the Seal Team Six operation.Then your next source hasn’t been a seal since 1988 and is a Hollywood screenwriter with one of those magical pens that will say anything to try and make his story interesting.Sorry you wasted so much time on your post but you should fact check first.However America is a much safer place today due to the actions of Seal Team Six under President Obama’s leadership.

    • Susie

      How about the fact that someone “in the WH is leaking top secret info -to make O look good ” while destroying the trust of people who have put their life on the line for us–while O says not my WH –Three Dog Night has a song perfect for O ” LIAR”.

  • http://na Mike in NE

    Michael J – Sirian and other like-minded readers/posters; Where is the outrage of the Republic’s votes needing to be outsourced to soros and Spain? Obviously there is not enough competent unemployed Americans for the job, uh huh! Ryan’s votes for extension of P.A. + N.D.A.A is evidence a plenty of this being two sides of the same coin. So as much as I despise the choices,it is painfully obvious to me that the status quo will remain, no matter who counts the votes. This feels like la la land for now, but the future appears dismal at best. Circling the drain, then that giant sucking sound that Perot spoke of. Followed by the sounds of prepared folks and unprepared wails. P.S. I meant feels like lala land for some, not all.

    • Kate8

      Mike in NE – Well, yes…Unless WE the people get off our behinds and DO something.

      I recommend you listen to this guy regularly…he’s coming up with great ideas and good people running for office who are Constitutionalists. And he tells all… no censoring here.

      Then, I recommend you find your local state militia group. They are working in conjunction with our (white hat) military to remedy our current situation. There are things going on under the radar that we won’t hear about in the news, for obvious reasons. We are ALL militia, and we are all needed.

      Lastly, we must keep a positive vision. We are Americans. Freedom cannot be stamped out of us, no matter how many vaccines they force on us, no matter how much polluted food, water and air we are exposed to, no matter how many drugs and chemicals they sneak into our clothing and environment… just KNOW that WE WILL PREVAIL. Good will always triumph in the end. It’s the Law.

      The only way we can be defeated by this evil is if we give up. Remember that psy-ops is the biggest force in this war. Resistance is not futile. Giving in is not an option.

      • Kate8
      • Kate8

        The usurping Obama administration is well aware of the military/militia plans to restore our Constitution in America. That is why they have actual, documented protocol for how it is to be handled. The laws have been put in place.

        When this occurs, and it surely will, the press will be disseminating misinformation to confuse the masses, so we won’t know who to trust. The government will call up an all out assault against the citizenry.

        The only way we will be able to understand what is happening is if we inform ourselves now. Folks, we are entering into the fight of centuries, which will determine whether we emerge free again, or whether the few of us who are left will live as borgs.

        KNOW what is coming. KNOW what the guv is not telling us. This is our only defense.

      • Jay

        Kate8 says: The usurping Obama administration is well aware of the military/militia plans to restore our Constitution in America. That is why they have actual, documented protocol for how it is to be handled. The laws have been put in place.

        More importantly Kate8, is the militia everywhere aware of this, and what is their counter-measure?

      • Kate8

        Jay – The militia is made up of people of all stripes, including military vets and law even law enforcement. I’m quite sure they know. They do have their own intelligence.

        The militia is much more savvy than you’d think. Despite their portrayal on TV as ragtag, redneck skinheads, this is not at all the case. They are primarily peace-loving, down-to-Earth, good people who just want to live by the rule of Law and the Bill of Rights, and by far prefer a peaceful solution to our problems. However, should the PTB continue to press forward, they are prepared to defend our nation to the best of their ability.

        What kind of comes to mind is uncovering a nest of ants, and picking up the ant spray…that’s about how it feels against the unfathomable technologies of the MIC. But, we must never discount the Hand of God in these matters. Besides, there are probably 80 million gun-owners in America, which is a bigger army than all the rest put together.

        As an aside, I found this wonderful tale about Col. David Crockett (Davy) and how he came to fame as a member of Congress. Kind of gives new perspective on many levels, and how we have no such statesmen any longer. If Congress simply adhered to this one principle, we could set things right… He truly was an American hero…

        “Not ours to give…” Things don’t ever change much when it comes to politicians…

    • Jay

      Thanks for the encouraging words, Kate8, and the link!

  • http://na Mike in NE

    jopa, I don’t recall but it appears you missed the article on Disinformation.

    • jopa

      Mike;No brag but I only deal in facts and you can look up any claim I make to find it to be true.Thank you and have a good day.

      • JeffH

        jopa says “I only deal in facts”

        I can honestly and unequivocally say that jopa is a liar.
        1 – jopa has a very selective and poor memory(senile?)
        2 – jopa relies on gossip and heresay(think Globe/National Enquirere) for his/her facts

      • Jay


        jopa a liar? Yes.

        Senile? No.

        Morally incontinent? Absolutely!

      • JeffH

        Jay, thanks for the correction. :)

      • Kate8

        Jay – :) :) :)

        Morally incontinent! I love it! Can I use it? :)

      • Jay

        She’s all yours bud!

      • Kate8

        jopa – You mean that you consider coming up with a link…proof?

        (Sigh) Things like this leave me to wonder if there really is any hope for us…

      • sam1966

        Ha, ha, ha, ha! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • lifewithcancermm

    I agree with Nanette about Bush2. He didn’t lie on purpose. He told the congress what the CIA told him–what they thought the chatter was telling them. That is not even considering the horrible crimes against people that Sadam did. He put people in shredders and wiped out whole villages. Congress all agreed and they all said rah rah rah. Then the press started in and the all Democratic congress saw their chance. They blocked everything and played political games trying to get as much power as they could get instead of being truthful. Carrying signs calling Bush “Hitler?” Really? If you hated the war, then lets talk about Obama and Libya? He didn’t ask Congress (when Biden accused Bush doing that, he said we should impeach Bush). Double standard? Everything is worse now–fuel cost etc, but the press is silent. He just gave away 6 islands in secret that stand by Alaska that have millions of gallons of oil, but we can’t use any of it because Obama says so. Do you think Russia cares about keeping the ocean clean so the seafood we get from there is clean to eat? We can’t drill in the Gulf but we can give the rights to Brazil and buy the oil back from them. Same danger, but where is the press? It is ridiculous how little the public at large knows because the press pushes the democratic agenda and we don’t know the entire truth about anything. I feel like we are becoming communist Russia. Bush made mistakes, but Obama about buried us in the first 10 days. When I ask people who are foaming at the mouth about Bush why they hate him, they can’t come up with anything that Obama hasn’t done 10 times worse. The press tells them to hate and they hate. Wake up and do some research by people other than the democratic party.

  • Kate8
    • JeffH

      Kate8, excellant link, something I believe everyone should read up on.

      Bill Gates and his foundation…my, my…I recall this discussion on more than one occassion…looney they said.

      Well, through info, discussions and suggestions by PLD, yourself and others I have been seeking out and using more natural health alternatives and have almost eliminated most of the perscriptions from my current doctor. He was a nice guy but quick to push pills. My next move is to change my primary care physician and start fresh.

      • jopa

        JeffH;Mutt tall & JeffH short, lives in brothers basement leaching off of his disability check, Jeff never nothing to add of his own thoughts and perceptions,Mainly a copy and paste guy with no clue what is going on in the world.Weapon owned.Starter pistol but googles constantly about guns to fool others into thinking he knows about guns and ammo when everyone just laughs and can see right through him.

      • JeffH

        jopa, thank you for confirming my earlier assessment of your dishonesty. LMAO!

        Nuff said!

      • Kate8

        Jopa – As opposed to…you…who shoots nonsense from the hip and offers nothing on which to base the baseless…

        Perhaps you are describing yourself and projecting onto JeffH.

        Then again, you get paid to be an idiot. Good gig, I suppose, for those willing to sell your soul…

    • Michael J.

      Thanks ever so much for the link to Natural News. A profound exspansion to my depth of knowledge in just one article. A definite keeper, and justification for tolerating schills in exchange for valuable information.

  • chuckb

    my main criticism of bush, he was too timid with the media and the bolsheviks. the housing crisis (thanks to the bolshevik party) along with the cost of energy put this country on the skids and is doing so at present. there isn’t much noise out there about the cost of fuel, very little about the cost of food, just a rumble here and there. the streets in my town in no. calif. are crowded with traffic most of the day, lots of un-employment, yet, they have money to spend in the markets and restaurants. food stamps are showing up more than ever, so the conclusion is barry is buying the vote with welfare. people are getting strung out with the freebies, why work, big un-employment check, plenty of food stamps and barry care (free medical care, so they think) on the horizon.

    when all the haze clears and they find themselves living under a socialist type dictatorship, as they almost are, .what then?

    the republican hierarchy has hand picked their man for the nomination for president, now they are picking a vp who is also their man. my impression is the republicans think things are so bad in the country they can slip anyone they want into the oval office, even though most conservatives do not agree. unfortunately, our vote will be one of frustration, just vote to remove the abomination occupying the white house.

  • Benjamin Fox

    Ever try to debate a lib? They believe it is okay to interrupt you but, don’t dare do it to them. Free speech for the left but, none for those who really deal in facts and not feelings. They lie enough to make Hitler look like a saint and think they are correct, LOL

  • JeffH

    Obama’s has laid out his plan to recover the economy and create more jobs in Thursday’s speach from Colorado Springs, Co.

    8/09/12 transcript: Obama, “My administration has been working diligently decomposing asset classes into their constituent risk factors. Moreover, I think we need to internalize a much broader set of correlations, pursue a broader global opportunity set, and mitigate risk, not only by diversifying but also by using active tail hedging aimed at protecting against the negative extremes of possible outcomes”.

    “These are proven surfire methods that will help to reduce the financial burden Republicans have placed on students, senior citizens and the middle class. I expect jobless rates to drop below 5% and an 8% growth in the GDP by the end of my 6th year in office.”

    “Every night my wife, Michelle, talk about what the future holds for our two daughters and with those thoughts we’re reminded of the children that are less forunate, that don’t eat nutritional and healthy meals every day, don’t have a home to call their own, or a babysitter while their mother and father, if they have a father, are trying desperatly to put their next meal on the table and keep a roof over their heads, provide heat in the winter months and relief from scalding temperatures in the summer.”

    May god bless and قد يكون الله معك

    • Kate8

      JeffH – “Every night, when I return from the bathhouse (or Reggie’s), and after I watch my favorite drone-kill videos, my partner-in-crime and I talk about what the future holds for our two privileged daughters… oh, wait. We get it all! Only the little people have to worry about that stuff…, like the poison we put in their food and water, the drugs that make them fat and dumb…oh wait. We’ll be the only ones left!… The poor suckers will all be gone! … Ain’t life sweet…”

      What a scumbag.

      • JeffH

        Love it! :)

  • Maynard Runkle

    Jimmy Carter stood for human rights around the world. He refused to send an Olympic team to Moscow while the Soviets were in Afghanistan. He proposed and installed tax breaks for people who installed alternative energy and ways to save energy, such as insulation. If we had continued his energy policies we would be largely energy independent by now. He was hit by double digit inflation caused when the OPEC nations restricted oil. How is that his fault? The hostage crisis came about because of the anti-US feeling in Iran which was the result of years of meddling in their internal affairs by our CIA and the support we gave to prop up the brutal Shah who, for example, had the secret police cut off children’s arms in front of their fathers to elicit confessions. Reagan-Bush made secret unlawful weapons sales toIran to get the hostages released. It was part of Iran-Contra, and done secretly because Congress prohibited dealing with terrorist states. Jimmy Carter was courageous enough to go to the nuclear facility at Three Mile Island at a time when it was unclear whether it would explode or not. He was not ignorant of the danger as he had studied nucear physics and served on nuclear powered subs.

    George W.H. Bush not only was behind the illegal Iran-Contra, he claimed he did not know where he was when JFK was shot. He was in Texas and the next day he was in a meeting wih J. Edgar Hoover, yet he denied it. His oil tycoon, Texas neighbor’s friend’s son tried to assassinate Reagan, yet Bush claimed he didn’t know him or the family. Bush was behind the Gulf War and used false propaganda about the Iraqis throwing babies out of their incubators in Kuwait.

    Bush II was deeply involved in the 9/11 false flag and the anthrax letters. Why did he say he saw the first strike on the WTC before he entered the school on several occasions, and then sit there like a lump when they told him about the second strike? Why would he not fear an attack on the school since it was public information that he was there? Why was his cousin, Jim Pierce, not in his offices at the WTC and had his business meeting moved out on 9/11? Why did Jeb Bush have a martial plan for Florida prepared and signed the week before 9/11? Who ordered the removal of bomb-sniffing dogs the Thursday before 9/11?
    Why would Bush be surprised when War Games, including hijacking scenarios, were going on that day? As to the anthrax: the first victim had published a photo of a drunk Jenna Bush sitting on another girl’s lap. How did White House insiders know to secretly take CIPRO, a risky anti-anthrax antibiotic Three Weeks before the first known threat?
    Bush went ahead and attacked Afghanistan even though they said they’d hand over bin Laden if given probable cause. He went ahead and attacked Iraq without waiting a week for the inspectors to finish. Why did his administration out Valerie Plame as a CIA operative, illegally? Because her husband James Wilson would not lie and say that Saddam had bought yellow cake uranium from Niger when he hadn’t. Scooter Libby took the fall and was quickly pardoned by Bush.
    Bush allowed unwarranted wiretapping, permitted torture, rendition and prolonged detention without a trial. He pushed the Patriot Act taking away our Constitutional rights. He had huge deficits and the biggest financial crisis since the Depression. He WAS the worst president ever. He was not only incompetent but involved in the worst attack on Americans on American soil in history, the largest deficits ever, the worst economic collapse since Hoover, two unnecessary wars and the greatest attack on our Constitution in history.

    • macgyver1948

      Maynard Runkle… Aw yes history,, thanks for the reminders.

    • Jay

      So what’s your point, Maynard? Are you trying to tell us that the current administration is a carbon-copy of the previous? Of course it is!

      Obama, while pledging to change the rules in Washington, is playing many of the same old games. Amid promises of transparency, Obama is running secret wars a la Nixon and Bush. In short, Republicans and Democrats keep expanding government and creating more and more problems.

      Striking similarities between the Bush and Obama administrations.

      Top ten disasters of the Obama administration:

      1. Cash for car companies
      2. War in Iraq
      3. Giant Medicare expansion bill
      4. Post office loses money hand over fist
      5. Stimulus “rebate” checks
      6. Patriot Act
      7. Big increase in unemployment
      8. “Bailout” [Henry] Paulson as Treasury Secretary
      9. Skyrocketing federal spending
      10. Huge federal deficits

      The top 10 disasters of the Bush administration:

      1. Cash for clunkers
      2. War escalation in Afghanistan
      3. Giant government health care expansion bill
      4. Post office loses money hand over fist
      5. Stimulus package
      6. Expansion of “state secrets” doctrine
      7. Big increase in unemployment
      8. “Bailout” [Tim] Geithner as treasury secretary
      9. Skyrocketing federal spending
      0. Huge federal deficits

    • cawmun cents

      My name is Maynard Runkleand I am so no-assed,that the very first thing I will be remembered for is dropping Bushbombs……

  • Jay

    At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!

    All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

    At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation
    of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

    - Abraham Lincoln, January 27, 1838

    Top 20 Events Which Prove Obama Is A Marxist Communist:

  • olewill

    Let someone provide a reply to this question. “Comparing Biden to Ryan is like comparing…”

    • Kate8

      …Goofy to Marshall Dillon?

      • Kate8

        How about Pelosi to Bachmann?

        • macgyver1948

          Kate8… Bachmann is a total idiot and Pelosi sometimes seems like Bachmann’s mirror image. They both do their thing as they see it I guess,,,

      • Jay

        I see you’ve allowed yourself to be reduced to the level of a babbling fool. Not exactly in control of your thoughts and emotions, are you mac?

      • JeffH

        Jay, don’t be so hard on mac, afterall, he did say 90% of his thoughts are his own.

        Hmmmm, suspect he might think 10% is greater than 90%.

      • Jay

        90% of his thoughts are his own? Based on his posts, the 90% of his thoughts are from his e-mail friend; or his alter ego? What a chicken-sh*t way to share one’s opinion(s) on issues. I suppose its safer that way, he can deflect all criticism away from himself, and onto his, nudge nudge wink wink, e:mail friend.

        • macgyver1948

          Jay… LMAO, that was pretty funny….

      • Kate8

        JeffH and Jay – We also have to consider that it’s all coming from someone who thinks Obama is a genius. What else do we need to know.

        • macgyver1948

          Kate8… Since I feel Clinton is more intelligent than Obama and I do not consider Clinton a genius who could be thinking that way? Kind of silly to say that if no one says they feel Obama is a genius.

      • Jay

        What else do we need to know? Poor mac needs help?

      • JeffH

        Kate8 & Jay… :) Nothing I can add…well said!

      • sam1966

        Here is another one about Michelle bin Laden.


        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Jay

    Democrats appear to have settled on a new bogeyman. ‘Blame Bush’ has outlived its usefulness, and recent attempts to incite public fear and loathing against Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, the US Chamber of Commerce, and John Boehner all fell flat. Up next in the Left’s vilification crosshairs: Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI).

    Before Ryan breathes a single word of his response to President Obama’s national address this evening, Democrats have already set into motion a demonization scheme devised by New York Senator Chuck Schumer:

    Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), the master political strategist for Senate Democrats, wants to turn Ryan into a bogeyman that voters think about whenever they hear about a Republican proposal to cut federal spending.

    “This is an initial volley in a three-day effort — 72-hour window — to try to muddle Paul Ryan’s foray onto the national scene,” said a senior Senate Democratic aide. “We want to make the House Republicans or Republicans at large own his roadmap and what it would entail for Social Security.”

    “In an unsettling development for America’s seniors, ending Social Security and Medicare is now the official position of the Republican Party,” said Jon Summers, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).

  • JeffH

    Here are some tax truisms that Knucklehead liberals can’t get through their thick skulls:

    1. “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” — Winston Churchill

    2. “We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.” ― Winston Churchill

    3. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.

    4. What one person receives without working another person must work without receiving.

    5. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

    6. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

    7. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them; and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

    8. “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” ― Thomas Jefferson

    9. “You can’t tax business. Business doesn’t pay taxes. It collects taxes.” ― Ronald Reagan

    10. “There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him.” ― Robert A. Heinlein (1907–1988), author of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and Starship Troopers

    11. The power to tax is the power to destroy.” ― Supreme Court Justice John Marshall (1755–1835)

    12. “A democracy . . . can only exist until the people discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy —to be followed by a dictatorship.”

    • Palin16

      Excellent points JeffH
      I believe it was you that once asked “How can you tell when a liberal is dead?”
      Answer: “When they stop calling you a racist.”

  • chuckb

    jeffh, i will vote for romney and ryan with reservation. both these guys are hand picked by the republican establishment, they are both out of the same cut as john boehner and mitch mcconnell. they are certainly not my choice, however, they are still by far better than what sits in the wh. bugs bunny would be better than him.
    we again are being maneuvered by the liberal wing of the republican party, when ryan came out with his budget, to balance the fed. budget by 2025,( i’m a long ways from being an accountant), however, it sounded to me like a sham, taking that many years suggests they want to keep their pork barrel spending and at the same time cut a little each year.this budget would be ignored by a future congress and they know it.

    • Kate8

      chuckb – Just wait until the RNC convention. We may be in for a big surprise.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, this I am looking forward to…let’s hope it’s big, real big!

      • Jay

        Is this what you’re talking about, Kate? But of course, it’ll be his clone that will take the bullet, naturally.

      • http://none Claire

        All it takes is one stupid-asssss nut to read a link like this and take matters into his own hands. Then I guess you will all be happy. Monkey see, monkey do.
        I do not want any U.S. president to be assassinated now or in the future. This is no fun and games issue. This is not one damn bit funny.

      • Kate8

        Jay – I did see that one, too, and that is a possibility, especially so they could make him come back to life! Lots of really dumb people would lap it up, too.

        Actually, that could be something the Left would try to pull in order to outdo the Right.

        But, no. What I was talking about had to do with people who are working behind the scenes to wrest power away from the current crop of NWO shills and shift it back to the people. There is some kind of plan, if they can pull it off.

        I have suspicions of what it’s about, but I can’t say for sure. But this, if it happens, will be the “shot heard ’round the world”, and will strike a blow for freedom against the NWO.

    • JeffH

      chuckb, I do like Ryan and I believe that’s the smartest choice Romney has made…he’s a very capable and smart numbers guy and can positively charge the Romney campaign. The demonizing of Ryan by Obama’s base started immediatly. RE: push granny over the cliff…but Ryan will absolutley lay out for Romney the fiscal failures of O’mans policies and that’s something Obot cannot deny. Look for a lot of diversionary dialogue out of O and his base. Of course the misinformation network will continue with their status quo assault in defense of O’man.


      • Jay

        And that’s precisely why the left fears Ryan, JeffH; fiscal responsibility! OMG!!! I’m sure jopa is writhing in AGONY as we speak.

      • JeffH

        Jay no doubt about it…not just jopa but mac-n-cheese too!

      • Jay

        mac-n-cheese? Omg, you slay me…ROFLMAO!!! That’s as priceless as larry-curly-and-moe!

      • JeffH

        Free larry-curly-moe is a tough one to top…inspirational and one of the best! LMAO now!

      • Kate8

        JeffH – I do know that Ryan voted FOR NDAA, and he is the NWO choice.

        He looks nice and has a good smile. That seems to be enough for most folks.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, you are right. Point taken. :)

      • Karolyn

        Ryan will also be popular just because he is a hunter.

      • sam1966

        He is also a staunch pro life supporter. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • chuckb

    jay i’m certainly not the left, however, there’s something about this guy that i don’t like, he’s a liberal republican in sheeps clothing. hope i’m wrong.

    jeffh & kate8, if you haven’t seen this video, you may find it very interesting, i posted it yesterday on another subject.

    • JeffH

      chuckb, excellant!

      • sam1966

        I second that motion! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Kate8

    chuckb – Good video. Thanks.

    Please check out this one. If Congress would just get THIS through their thick, weak, pandering skulls, we could fix it all.

    Why Congress MUST NOT fund social services (or any other project unauthorized by the Constitution).

    • Old Henry


      Good link. Thank you!

    • Jay

      Love the link, Kate8!!!

  • chuckb

    kate8, i will do my bit and forward this to all my friends, maybe somewhere along the line people will see what’s happening. thank you.

  • Tinman

    I see the same old Un Americans come to post. eddie47d – the Nazis are LEFT WING, Not RIGHT WING. Get it? Stop smokin’ the obama dope.

  • sam1966

    Where have all the 5th columners gone to? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Palin16

      sam, I’ve been battling the leftwingers all weekend on Wayne Allyn Root’s column. Have a great day and give my regards to Sook.

      • sam1966

        Thanks fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Bev

    Ben, I heard the word was out. Very funny. Love the Great 8.

  • Palin16

    Obummer did not kill bin Laden. Somebody else made that happen.

  • Palin16

    “I heard that” the unions are pissed that the democratic convention in Charlotte, NC is being held in a right-to-work state and that the stadium was built with non union labor.

    • macgyver1948

      Right to work state agendas are so clearly a corporate induced benefit, for them, and gifted by the states who grant them. Employees stand very little chances in RTW states.

      • Palin16

        sorry mac, the biggest raise I ever got from the stinkin corrupt union I was in in California was $1.00/ hour, whereas the biggest raise I got in right-to-work Nevada was $3.50/hour.
        Same type of job, in a shorter amount of time. As a bonus, I got to keep my money (dues) instead of paying into some fat-cat union bosse’s $500,000 a year salary.

        • macgyver1948

          Palin16… Where in what I said does it describe the sizes of raises? You were lucky with that raise. Many hourly get less in general per raise. I know of a major, huge, corporation who has policies limiting the sizes of raises and the amount you can get when you transfer on a promotion attempt. The policy reads, or is only spoken, “For all ‘current’ associates who transfer, they cannot make more than 10% above what they were making before the transfer”.

          Who would you complain to with that if the recruiter told you, before the interview, the job range you are applying for, for the transfer, pays at least $15/hour (that is the least you could get) and you were making $8.60/hr where you were, and, after the interview with an offer they told you of the policy?
          This company, as with many, have what they call “open door policy” which means you can go all the way up, one supervisor/manager level at a time, to fight an issue but it is up to them to decide. They also have an ethics department who neglects to say why they can’t get you an answer each time you call them. When I heard these stories I often wondered if the Ethics manager was told to “leave this issue alone”.

          You have less rights in right to work states within your company but in general everything is for the benefit and protection of the corporations and not for the employees. Without representation you have only what they want you to have. If you do not like it there leave, you do have that right to leave because there are so many who can replace you, they wont care. By the way, so often anti-employee policies are nearly impossible to find, if not totally. I think that is for plausible deniablity reasons.

          I do not understand the politics of Unions so I can’t speak to the fat cat union bosses salaries.

      • http://naver samurai

        Wanna bet? Since Indiana is a right t work state, there is no control by unions. This has allowed us to attract more jobs to our state. More than the states that border us. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • macgyver1948

          LOL….. :-)))

      • Palin16

        mac, I wasn’t “lucky” to get that raise….it was a merit raise for hard work and dedication. The stinkin union I was in before (which management chose for us) picked and chose which of us they would represent in a grievance…and in my case, who they would ignore and hide behind their answering machines. A year later, one of their union goons phoned me at home (regarding the California governor recall election) and said “I’m sure I can count on you as a good loyal union member to vote NO on this “disastrous” recall election.” I told him no you cannot count on me for that, just let me say this….”Hasta La Vista, Baby!”

        • macgyver1948

          Palin16 …There are many things many of us do not know or understand about corporations. There are so many workers who work hard and deserve decent wages and promotions. What you get is not necessarily what you deserve or worked so hard for. There are companies who can and do the raise-freeze thing, for example, if they feel they need to. What you get, a raise or a promotion, is determined by them, not you. For example, my wife is a nurse of 30 plus years and her company is going though the raise-freeze thing. Her bosses are going nuts trying to keep her because she is so good at what she does but the freeze is a corporate thing.

          Payroll is an expense and it is the easiest expense to control. Hiring (job creation or replacing), initial pay, unless it is negotiable but even then there is a limit, pay raises and promotions will not will not happen unless the execs say it will. Promotions are not always given to the one who most deserves it but more so to the one who the people doing the promotion wants that person closer to them. With the main functions for the Execs, being increasing the bottom line-keeping expenses down and keeping as much money at the top as possible, where would the exec’s incentives be?

          I cannot personally speak for unions because although some of my jobs were at union shops I was never involved with unions. I do know from history if there weren’t unions the minimum wage, if it existed at all would be low, or non existent. Working conditions would suck in many companies, except for companies with owners ands exes with heart but then there is the 2 main . It is just the ways it has always been. Given the main exec functions I mention who knows at any company until we begin to work there?

      • Palin16

        regarding the union in California of which I spoke: when I first started at that company we were made to go to union orientation meeting. They played a VHS tape (in black and white, of course) for us showing workers in a sweatshop in the 1930s. FDR was the president. I thought at the time…don’t they have anything a little more current? It just shows how obsolete unions are.

        • macgyver1948

          Palin16… I would guess the point of those old films was to show how it was before unions and how it can be again if unions are eliminated. Thee are many very wealthy forces wanting to eliminate unions and it is to help cut their expenses. The GOP is helping in that. I feel we need some form of representation, outside corporate influence and being neutral, in all companies because I have never trusted an Ombudsman program or any where there is an employee, without unions, has to go to the management to discuss their grievances with management. It almost never works in favor of the employee/associate.

          At Walmart, for example, I was told by 2 operations managers, has a working policy where if there is a dispute between a hourly person and a customer or there is a dispute between an hourly person and a member of salaried management there is no real point to listening to the hourly guys side of the story because he/she will ultimately be considered wrong. Well, that is unless the manager just wants the hourly guy to “feel” as though his side/feelings are being considered. I told those two ops managers (it was rhetorical) “why would anyone want to be a Walmart hourly associate with policies like that?”. They laughed and joked that they would write me up if it weren’t for the fact I worked for the Walmart ISD and they couldn’t touch me. LOL.

          Walmart also has an “open door” policy where an associate can go to his manager with a problem. If the associate doesn’t like the decision of his manager he/she can go higher. Managers tend to stick together so it may depend on the circumstances. Then there is the Walmart Global Ethics Office which was set up for employees, and customers, who have non open door policy issues. There too the ethics advisors investigates and if it involves a manager or some admin they talk to those people and come to a decision. I have seen many ethics cases where it ended with the word of manager or admin in the win or with no real conclusion. Again, Walmart is not unique in this.

          Walmart would rather close a store than to allow unions in and they have. As big as they are it wouldn’t hurt them to shut down what they do not want. Sorry community and associates.

      • Palin16

        Like I said before, unions are obsolete. I did a much better job representing myself in a right-to-work state than I did in a forced unionism state wherein my union rep refused to budge on my grievance just because she hates white people.

  • macgyver1948

    When I read the below email today I thought the writer, a former mayer of my native NYC, was making some very interesting comparisons. He brings in the history of the past and shows how much things can at times remain the same even with enough past time. I can remember thinking as a sophomore in high school, at 16 in 1964, in Civics class, “why do they want us to know this crap?”. I have since learned why history is so important because it might just pop up and bite your butt some time in the future.

    If you want to take the time to read it see the comparisons and do what you want with them. I am only sharing and passing it on. Steve (Macgyver1948)

    Breaking from
    With Ryan It’s ’64 and Goldwater Again
    By Edward Koch

    Mitt Romney has done this country a great service by selecting Paul Ryan as his running mate. He has changed the nature of the election from one that is about who is the best candidate to lead us out of the aftermath of the Great Recession to one that concerns fundamental party policies and philosophy.

    He has turned the election into what we had in 1964. President Lyndon B. Johnson was finishing the term of our martyred President Jack Kennedy and running for his own first term against Sen. Barry Goldwater, Republican from Arizona. Goldwater was the leader of the conservative wing of the Republican Party and ultimately the leader of the entire party in that election.

    The 1964 race became a referendum on whether the United States should jettison the principles of the party of hope — the Democratic party — created by FDR that united the aspirations of the middle class and addressed the needs of the poor and the concerns of women, blacks, Jews, other minorities, and farmers.

    FDR, a wealthy man, was denounced by many of his peers as a traitor to his class.
    What FDR gave to our country was the promise of greater fairness for all of its people. One of his greatest contributions, many would say, was the Social Security program that was intended to assist these who had worked all their lives to retire at 65 with dignity. That concept was extended by President Johnson in 1965 with the creation of both Medicare and Medicaid. The former is basically for the elderly and the latter is for the impoverished of all ages.

    Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are the very programs that the Republicans and conservatives beginning with Goldwater have been seeking to chip away at and ultimately eliminate. For example, President George W. Bush rightly recognized that Social Security needs to be changed to make it solvent. However, his proposal to privatize the program, making payments dependent on stock market performance, makes no sense, particularly in view of the effects of the Great Recession on the stock market.

    A better approach would have been and still would be to gradually increase the eligibility age (we fortunately live much longer today than we did in 1935), and apply the current Social Security tax to our entire personal income — it stops now at $110,100 — with such additional fiscal measures as are necessary to bring in more revenue. The program eligibility could also be made subject to a needs basis. Those who are wealthy don’t need the employer subsidies which could be added to and used for those who do.
    There are changes of a fiscal nature short of privatization that could similarly protect Medicare from going bankrupt. Unfortunately, privatizing Medicare is the signature proposal of Paul Ryan and his budget adopted by the Republican House of Representatives. Ryan would give those 55 or younger vouchers to buy health insurance policies to replace the current Medicare entitlement program.
    Already the Romney-Ryan team is screaming it is unfair to attack Ryan on this his signature proposal. But he cannot run away from it and his philosophy. Listening to the talking heads, I hear a little buyers’ remorse setting in.

    The Republicans, at the urging of Paul Ryan, want to change Medicaid into a limited block grant to be provided to each state to take the place of the existing entitlement program which provides benefits to an unlimited number of eligible beneficiaries.
    Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and so many other programs are in great danger if the philosophy of the Romney-Ryan team prevails at the polls.

    The lack of Romney-Ryan compassion is also highlighted by their support for the Republican House-adopted budget, which slashes food stamps that are provided to poor children and others. And then there is the matter of a woman’s right to choose. The Republicans are trying in every state to deprive women of all their rights under Roe v. Wade, seeking to make it more and more difficult for a woman to exercise her right in consultation with her doctor to obtain a legally permissible abortion.

    The Republicans in many states are seeking to depress the black vote, requiring unneeded identification papers for voting. The effort to roll back citizen rights goes on.
    The Times this morning summed up the philosophy of Paul Ryan, reporting, “though best known as an architect of conservative fiscal policy, Rep. Paul D. Ryan has also been an ardent, unwavering foe of abortion rights, has tried to cut off federal money for family planning, has opposed same-sex marriage and has championed the rights of gun owners.”

    The Democrats have made their share of mistakes over the years. However, they have recognized them, made needed changes and are willing to make more changes for the good of the country. We Democrats led by President Obama support the “grand bargain” entailing revenue increases and expense reductions. The Republican leadership, on the other hand, is largely interested in cutting spending for social programs, while rejecting revenue increases, particularly if such increases include higher taxes on the rich.

    I am a proud Democrat but not an ideologue. I have identified myself through the years when I served as a member of Congress and mayor of New York City, as a liberal with sanity. When I thought it appropriate and in the best interest of my country, state and city, I have crossed party lines; for me, the people always come first.

    I look around and see millionaires and billionaires thriving and while most of us don’t resent their wealth, we do object to their not paying their fair share of taxes. We are supposed to have a progressive tax system and instead the Congress bought by their wealthy supporters has provided loopholes that permit the wealthiest corporations and individuals to pay in some cases nothing at all.

    People who get their income from stock trading, unlike those of us who receive salaries, pay at a rate of 15 percent when a salaried employee receiving the same income could be paying at a 35 percent rate. This is simply not fair.

    Thank you Mitt Romney for selecting Paul Ryan as your running mate and thereby unwittingly turning this election into a crusade by all Americans who put country first and are willing to join hands across party lines to fight for fairness for all of our fellow citizens.

    © 2012 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

  • Charley

Hello, I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. And have I got a story for you. I am President Obama’s college classmate from Columbia University, Class of ’83. And I’ve got a hunch on the scandal that ends Obama’s hopes for a second term. No, it’s not his birth certificate. The scandal that takes down Obama’s Presidency happened 30 years ago at Columbia University. This is the smoking gun.
    This also ties into Harry Reid’s hunch about Mitt Romney’s tax records. You see Senator Reid opened up Pandora’s box. He made it OK for any of us to play a guessing game. If Harry can guess about Romney’s taxes, without a shred of evidence… then a citizen and taxpayer and former college classmate of Obama has the standing to do a little educated guessing of my own.
    You see my background is one of a kind. I’m one of the most accurate Las Vegas oddsmakers and prognosticators ever. Accurate enough that I was awarded my own star on the Las Vegas Walk of Stars – one of 60 legends in the history of Vegas to be honored with a 180 pound granite star in the sidewalk on Las Vegas Blvd. Gut instinct is how I’ve made my living for 29 years since graduating Columbia. My gut is almost always right. I became a self-made millionaire based on my gut instincts. And I smell something rotten in Denmark. Obama has a big skeleton in his closet. And it’s hidden in his college records at Columbia.
    But first let’s examine the game being played to distract us from the real scandal. It’s a diversion… subterfuge. I call Obama’s scheme “Weapons of mass distraction.” Obama and his infamous strategist David Axelrod understand how to play dirty political hardball, the best its ever been played. They learned on the vicious, dirty streets of Chicago, where the mob appears downright nice compared to the politicians. Team Obama has decided to distract America’s voters by condemning Mitt Romney for not releasing enough years of his tax returns. It’s the perfect cover. Obama knows the best defense is a bold offense. Just keep attacking Mitt and blaming him for secrecy and evasion, while accusing him of having a scandal that doesn’t exist. Then ask your lapdog Senator Harry Reid to chase the Frisbee. The U.S. Senate Majority Leader is now making up stories out of thin air, about tax returns he knows absolutely nothing about. It’s a cynical, brilliant and vicious strategy. Make Romney defend, so he can’t go on offense and attack the real Obama scandal.
    This is classic Axelrod. Obama has won multiple elections in his career by slandering his opponents and leaking sealed court documents. Not only do these insinuations and leaks ruin the credibility and reputation of Obama’s opponents, they keep them on the defensive and off Obama’s trail of sealed documents. And Obama spends millions to armies of lawyers to keep them sealed.
    By attacking Romney’s tax records, Obama’s team of Chicago hit men creates a problem that doesn’t exist. And they even have the U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in their pocket… leading the charge… thereby assuring that the media will cover it and put Romney on the Defensive. The U.S. Senate Majority Leader joins a scheme to defame a squeaky clean opponent with the record of a choir boy. Romney is the guy you want to marry your daughter. Religious. Brilliant. Family man. Never cheated in his life. Harvard Law and Harvard Business. Donates millions to charity. So you get Harry Reid to make up stories out of thin air to frame an innocent man… and you get the biased liberal media to go along with the execution of an innocent man. But the reason for this baseless attack is what is so interesting… such brilliant but disgusting cynical strategy it could only come from Chicago… the point of this deception and distraction is to make Romney defend, so he can’t go on the offensive… to dirty his perfect reputation up… and to give the media something to talk about… something other than the real scandal they should be investigating.
    But I have the answer for Romney. A challenge that shuts up Obama forever.
    It’s time to call Obama’s bluff. Romney should call a press conference and issue a challenge in front of the Nation. He should agree to release more of his tax returns, only if Obama unseals his college records. Simple and straight-forward. Mitt should ask “What could possibly be so embarrassing in your college records from 30 years ago, that you are afraid to let America’s voters see it? If it’s THAT bad, maybe it’s something the voters ought to see.” Suddenly the tables are turned. Now Obama is on the defensive.
    My bet is that Obama will never unseal his records, never… EVER. Because they contain information that could destroy his political career. Once this challenge is made public, my prediction is you’ll never hear about Mitt’s tax returns ever again. End of story.
    But why are the college records, of a 51-year-old President of the United States, so important to keep secret? I think I know the answer.
    If anyone should have questions about Obama’s record at Columbia University, it’s me. We both graduated (according to Obama) Columbia University, Class of ’83. We were both (according to Obama) Pre-Law and Political Science majors. And I thought I knew most everyone at Columbia. I certainly thought I’d heard of all of my fellow Political Science majors. But not Obama… or as he was known then, Barry Soetoro. Can you imagine…the President of the United States had a different name 30 years ago. How bizarre is that? You think you know him? You don’t even know his name.
    But here’s where the mystery gets really strange. I knew everyone in the political science department. But I never met Obama in my life. Never saw him in my life. Never even heard of him in my entire four years at Columbia. And none of the classmates that I knew at Columbia has ever met him, saw him or heard of him either.
    But don’t take my word for it. The Wall Street Journal reported in 2008 that Fox News randomly called 400 of our Columbia classmates and never found one who had ever met Obama.
    Now all of this mystery could be easily and instantly dismissed if Obama released his Columbia transcripts to the media. But even after serving as President for 3 1/2 years he refuses to unseal his college records. Shouldn’t the media be as relentless in pursuit of Obama’s records as Romney’s? Shouldn’t they be digging for Obama’s dirt with the same boundless enthusiasm as Mitt’s? Doesn’t something smell rotten here?
    So let’s down and dirty to figure out the scandal. The first question I’d ask is, if you had great grades, why would you seal your records? So let’s assume Obama got poor grades. Why not release the records? He’s President of the free world, for gosh sakes. He’s commander-in-chief of the U.S. military. Who’d care about some poor grades from three decades ago, right? So then what’s the problem? Doesn’t that make the media suspicious? Something doesn’t add up.
    Secondly, all of Obama’s old classmates and buddies at Occidental say he was a poor student there…spending lots of time smoking pot and attending radical meetings. His grades were awful they say. Again, we can’t prove it because Obama’s records are sealed. So if he had poor grades at Occidental, how did he get admitted to an Ivy League university in the first place? Do you know how hard it is to transfer into an Ivy League university – it’s almost impossible. And if his grades at Columbia were awful, how’d he ever get into Harvard Law School? So again those grades must have been great, right? So why spend millions to keep them sealed?
    Third, how did a poor kid pay for all these fancy schools? If he had student loans or scholarships, don’t American students need good grades to maintain student loans?
    I can only think of one answer that explains all of these mysteries…
    So here’s my gut. I believe Obama got a leg up by being admitted to both Occidental and Columbia as a foreign exchange student. He was raised as a young boy in Indonesia. That’s a fact. His mother made him an Indonesian citizen. But… did his mother ever bother to change him back to a U.S. citizen? I’m betting not. He was abandoned by his mother and sent back to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. No one was paying much attention to young Obama, so his citizenship was never changed back. But suddenly as he nears college-age and starts thinking of how to get into college with lousy grades and no money… Obama learns that foreign students have a much easier path being admitted to U.S. universities. And even more amazingly, they get loads of aid and scholarships to attend college for free – something unavailable to U.S. citizens. It’s a completely different path – a path so easy that even a kid with no father… no mother to be found… no money… and lousy grades can get admitted to the best colleges… as a poor foreigner with an exotic background.
    So a plan is hatched. Obama uses his Indonesian passport and citizenship to get into college. Suddenly even Ivy League Columbia University is a possibility for a foreign student from Indonesia. And it’s all paid for by the taxpayers.
    That would explain how a poor student who rarely attended class and got mediocre grades, and with no money, was able to get accepted and pay for Occidental, Columbia and Harvard Law. The door magically opened for a foreign student. Every college needs one or two bright exotic foreigners to create “diversity.”
    Now the sad reality is there is some U.S. student — a Valedictorian of his or her school — who never got to go to Columbia or Harvard Law because Obama fraudulently took their place.
    That would also explain the great mystery of how in the summer of 1981 Barry Soetoro was able to travel to Pakistan when no U.S. citizen was allowed to travel there. An American couldn’t make that trip…but no problem if you’re an Indonesian citizen using an Indonesian passport?
    Of course, here’s the wrinkle…a foreign student isn’t qualified to serve as President of the United States. So that secret had to be sealed and covered up for the rest of all time. In 2007 everything happened so fast no one could even ask questions…ask Hillary! She never imagined Obama could beat her and never did any serious digging. Next thing you know, Obama is President. But with a massive secret threatening his legacy every second of every day. That explains why a sitting President of the United States would spend millions of dollars in legal fees to keep his past sealed.
    If you could unseal Obama’s Columbia University records I believe you’d find that:
    ▪ He rarely ever attended class.
    ▪ His grades were not those typical of what we understand it takes to get into Harvard Law School.
    ▪ He attended Columbia as a foreign exchange student.
    ▪ He never paid for either undergraduate college or Harvard Law School because of foreign aid and scholarships given to a poor foreigner like this kid Barry Soetoro from Indonesia.
    Lastly, why do his classmates at Columbia not remember Obama? Was he a ghost? Did he never show up at class? My educated guess is that he was too busy smoking pot, attending Marxist meetings, and plotting the destruction of the U.S. economy and the overthrow of capitalism. Don’t laugh. It’s working.
    If you think I’m “fishing,” then prove me wrong. Open up your records Mr. President. What are you afraid of? Cat got your tongue? If all we’ll find is a few C’s and D’s… then show us the records. If it’s OK for U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to go on a fishing expedition about Romney’s taxes (even though he knows absolutely nothing about them), then I think I can do the same thing. But as Obama’s Columbia Class of ’83 classmate, at least I have more standing to make educated guesses.
    It’s time for Mitt to go on the attack and call Obama’s bluff. Oh and one more thing, Mitt. Tell Harry Reid you’ll release all of your tax returns when Harry Reid releases all of his. Inquiring minds want to know how Harry Reid entered the U.S. Senate with no assets and became one of the wealthiest United States Senators, now worth millions, and living at the Washington, D.C. Ritz Carlton? I’m not saying he did anything wrong, but just like Mitt’s tax returns… shouldn’t Harry have to prove he did nothing wrong? We all want to see Senator Reid’s tax returns to solve the second biggest mystery in Washington DC… behind only Obama’s scandal at Columbia.
    I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. See you next week, same time, same place. God Bless America.

  • Palin16

    Obama teleprompter malfunction:

    • macgyver1948

      Palin16 …You are kidding with this video, aren’t you? All it proves is he is human and humans of all kind trip up now and then. Politicians on both sides of the aisle use teleprompter and some, on both sides of the aisle, trip up at times. I saw a video where President was invited to a GOP press conference and he had no teleprompter to trip over. You can bet the farm the GOP leaders there tried to trip Obama but they couldn’t because he did well. Wait until the debates,k then we will know one way or another. The last guy, what’s his name, who ran against Obama for President tried in the debates but he too couldn’t.

    • http://naver samurai

      What do you think about this one Palin16?


      You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Palin16

        That’s scary stuff samurai. And that picture of Napolitano almost made me lose my dinner. Is that person a male or a female? I know that hollow point bullets were used in the John Lennon assassination.

  • StevenGarrick

    Hello all,..Ben,we can count on your humor,and along with Jodi Miller,apparently,some body is helping out Ryan,throw the comical beat down joe(my brain is frozen from too much ice cream)biden,..Go figure,somebody would have informed him that more than a pint is not good for rational thought!,..In Vaginia,bring up North Carolina,..also while there,in front of a crowd that was more chocolate than vanilla,w/a wanna be southern twang,romney and ryan will put y’all back in chains,..Red Foreman(that 70′s show)fit’s here,..Bunch of dumbasses,..

  • macgyver1948

    Spencer Cameron… did your test pass or fail?


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    island is Paphos. There may be more in the sense of privateness and noise remoteness in a Ottawa two-story home.


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