Cruz Calls On Conservatives To Stand On Principle – Even If They Go Down Swinging

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There’s a lot of news going on today, so pointing everyone to a lengthy, reflective interview in which a freshman Senator looks back on his first seven months in office might seem counterintuitive.

But Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas) has more worth saying in his sit-down with Rare’s Brett Decker than you likely heard if you spent all week poring over the words of NSA heads, IRS commissioners or a bevy of Congressmen jockeying for political capital before they go home to their angry constituents for August recess.

There’s more than one takeaway from Cruz’ impassioned, optimistic call for conservatives not to water down their principles, but two of his comments stand out:

In my view, Republicans lost in 2012 and 2008 because they tried not to lose and painted not with bold colors but pale pastels. I think we do best when we present a clear contrast with the Democrats: “First you win the argument, then you win the vote,” as Margaret Thatcher used to say.

…Every domestic policy that we think about or talk about should focus like a laser on opportunity – on easing the means of ascent up the economic ladder. We should look with a Rawlsian lens at how every policy impacts the most vulnerable among us, on how it impacts those struggling to achieve the American Dream.

Be clear; Be brave; Be uncompromising. That’s a message conservatives can get behind.

Then there’s this:

Contrary to the conventional wisdom, I think Republicans win when we stand for clear principles and draw strong contrasts with the other party. If we make clear that Republicans are fighting for jobs and to protect high-quality health care against Democrats wedded to an ideological dream of government-controlled healthcare, I think we will win. But the only way this happens is if a massive grassroots army makes its voice heard, and demands of our elected officials that they stand up and fight. I think “We the People” should hold every politician – including me – accountable, and that’s how we can win fights that are otherwise impossible.

Don’t dilute your views. Stand and fight, even if you lose, for what you believe is right – not for the scraps you believe you can win through endless, character-eroding compromises. Go down swinging.

In short, be an American.

Read the entire piece at Rare.

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  • Deerinwater

    “Contrary to the conventional wisdom, I think Republicans win when we stand for clear principles and draw strong contrasts with the other party. If we make clear that Republicans are fighting for jobs and to protect high-quality health care against Democrats wedded to an ideological dream of government-controlled healthcare, I think we will win. But the only way this happens is if a massive grassroots army makes its voice heard, and demands of our elected officials that they stand up and fight. I think “We the People” should hold every politician – including me – accountable, and that’s how we can win fights that are otherwise impossible.”

    Well Ted Cruz will go the way of the Buffalo ~ If that is winning ~ then he will win.

    Who else wants to fall on their sword?

    • Frank Kahn

      Apparently every liberal in the country.

      • Deerinwater

        yea ~ and if I’m a Liberal then you must be Snow White. ~ I’m just a person that knows how to count. ~ and knows which side my bread is buttered on. ~~ When my neighbor does well it’s cause for celebration, whether I do well or not. I’m on the side of labor ~ and will met any man halfway. I will compromise, I will negotiate, I will go out of my way to see things your way. But I will not accept ignorance as a virtue.

        • michiganminuteman

          You more than likely don’t accept stupidity ether but unfortunately you have to play the cards your parents delt you. So you, my little communist agitator, are stuck with both.

          • Deerinwater

            Well, the better part of you must have ran down your mother’s leg, ~ but I won’t hold it against you. ~ If that where you are going with such an off color comment.

          • michiganminuteman

            Off color? Are you kidding me right now? Do you read your own posts, commie agitator? The only reason you are hear is to stir the pot of hate. Go post on the commie sites, oh wait, no one cares enough to respond to your drivel there. Sorry commie agitator.

          • Deerinwater

            You introduce family into the argument BucketMouth. ~ I will walk though any door that you open.

            Commie? ~ that’s cute! Attempt to stay on the “road” and the argument will stay on the road. BucketMouth

        • Bob666

          Yo Deer,
          compromise is the path of success and the GOP has yet to figure this out. Will they claim that Hillary steals the election in 2016?

          • Jim

            Yo Bob666,
            If that is true, then why is it always the Dems wanting the Repubs to “compromise” with them. Why do Dems never compromise with Repubs? Compromise is not a one way street.
            God help us if the sorry “What difference does it make” hag Hillary gets elected. She, just like Barry, has blood on her hands and could care less what happens to the common man (just like other Dems). The destruction of the United States will be complete with her election.

        • Frank Kahn

          We have, long past, left civility behind. I will not pretend to even consider your thoughts as worth mention.

          I DID NOT IN ANY WAY CALL YOU A DAMN LIBERAL IN MY POST SO BACK OFF.

          IF YOU DONT WANT TO SEE IGNORANCE AS A VIRTUE THEN YOU SHOULD NOT LOOK IN A MIRROR.

          IF, I EVER FIND SOMEONE DOING WELL, I WILL PAT THEM ON THE BACK AND SAY GOOD JOB. IT JUST HASN’T HAPPENED IN THE LAST 5 YEARS.

          I AM ON THE SIDE OF THE CITIZENS OF THE NATION, WHEN THE ECONOMY GETS BETTER I WILL BE HAPPY. AS LONG AS IT IS IN THE TOILET, I WILL BE ANGRY AT THE IDIOTS THAT PUT IT THERE.

          IF THE LIBERALS ARE ON THE SIDE OF UNION THUGS, I AM TOTALLY AGAINST ALL LIBERALS. UNIONS ARE DESTRUCTIVE AND NEED TO BE OUTLAWED SO THE ECONOMY CAN OPERATE IN A BENEFICIAL WAY.

          • Deerinwater

            Frank ~ I know a host of GOP supporters that belong to labor unions. ~ and they along with DNC voters are all US Citizens.

            Why deny labor an organized voice while allowing Business the privilege with US Department of Commerce and K Street skunk works, whom both offer Business a lofty platform to speak from?

            Rather than categorically dismissing labor unions ~ why not accept them like the weather, ~ Enjoy the good days and dress for the occasion. Perfect days are few.

            It all goes back to counting Frank. ~ You are attempting to dismiss something over personal preference that demands to be counted ~ IF you plan on being accurate with your assessment.

            There are many things that I don’t personally approve of in this world Frank but refusing to include them in any accounting does not make them disappear.

            It’s not for business that the world turns Frank, ~ Business is only a means to some end. ~ To move resources around and spread abundance that are at the whims for market forces.

            This notion that Business is the goose that lays the golden egg ~ and should be allowed to go about it activities completely unfettered by laboring consumers is faulty.

            We should all know by now what sort of conditions that creates. The very progressive movement rose up and was created by the effects associated with unfettered venture capitalist in the late 1800’s.

            As a society we wouldn’t have need of “controlling elements” if everyone would do the ‘Right Thing”.

            To assume that they will ~~ without enticements ~ is being naive.

          • Frank Kahn

            I stopped considering you ignorant, and labelled you as stupid for a very specific reason. Ignorant is the lack of knowledge, stupidity is knowing the facts but ignoring the truth. I also determined you are a liberal because of your liberal ideas, and the fact that you accept and applaud their ideas and performance. You are extremely annoying because you attempt to use phrases that sound like they are deep contemplation, when they are actually simple evasion of facts.

            “Frank ~ I know a host of GOP supporters that belong to labor unions. ~ and they along with DNC voters are all US Citizens. ”

            This statement has no bearing on the topic, your inclusion seems to be some for of diversion, or an attempt to say “some of my best friends are ______”.

            “Why deny labor an organized voice while allowing Business the privilege with US Department of Commerce and K Street skunk works, whom both
            offer Business a lofty platform to speak from? ”

            The failure of people like you is in accepting the difference between having a voice, and forcing compliance. I have never endorsed the, tyrannical, interference of government (department of commerce), in the functioning of capitalism either.

            “Rather than categorically dismissing labor unions ~ why not accept them like the weather, ~ Enjoy the good days and dress for the occasion. Perfect days are few. ”

            Extremely stupid analogy, the weather is a natural phenomenon, unions are not. However, using the weather can be analogous to labor / business relationships. If you don’t like the weather, the NATURAL remedy is to move to a location that has weather that is more suitable to your desire. The same is true for employment. If you don’t like the companies benefit policies, find a company that you like.

            “It all goes back to counting Frank. ~ You are attempting to dismiss something over personal preference that demands to be counted ”

            Since, you fail to state what it is I am dismissing, this is also a stupid statement. I assert that union tyranny, towards businesses, has caused extreme damage to the workings of our capitalistic economy. That is not a dismissal, it is a statement of facts. It is a fact that liberals, fail to count the damage caused by unions, they always try to say that unions are good because they save us from bad working conditions. That is dishonest failure to portray the full intent and effect of union activities.

            “~ IF you plan on being accurate with your assessment. ”

            Since, you are not offering any information, or facts, about your disagreement with my assessment, you have no standing to say my assessment is inaccurate.

            “There are many things that I don’t personally approve of in this world Frank but refusing to include them in any accounting does not make them disappear.”

            Personally, I don’t care what you disapprove of, your philosophy is so distorted that those things are of no legitimate concern for our real world. However, you always fail to acknowledge the terrible effects of the current administrations policy ideas, so I would say that you are failing to be accurate in your assessments also.

            “It’s not for business that the world turns Frank, ~ Business is only a means to some end. ~ To move resources around and spread abundance that are
            at the whims for market forces. ”

            A very distorted, la la land, philosophy about business and the world. Your assessment is half right, but fails in the bigger picture. While the world does not turn for business, the world survives because of business. With a total collapse of all business, in the world, the majority of humans would die. Now, I realize that humans are not the reason the world turns either. However, if you want to live, you better support the health of business at all cost. Probably less than 10% of the developed nations populations are capable of sustenance living. If you simple terminated the agriculture, and shipping business in this country, 99% of every citizen in cities like New York, LA, Boston, and Chicago would die.

            “This notion that Business is the goose that lays the golden egg ~ and should be allowed to go about it activities completely unfettered by laboring consumers is faulty.”

            What is truly faulty is the denial that business did lay the golden egg of modern industrialized society. Calling, capitalistic market forces, “unfettered by consumers” is pure malarkey. It is the union demands for extreme benefits that is “unfettered by consumers”.

            “We should all know by now what sort of conditions that creates. ”

            And, YOU should know by now, what sort of conditions unions create.

            “The very progressive movement rose up and was created by the effects associated with unfettered venture capitalist in the late 1800’s. ”

            A failure, of liberal progressives, to see the difference between a current need, and an ongoing increase of control is the main problem behind the current state of affairs.

            “As a society we wouldn’t have need of “controlling elements” if everyone would do the ‘Right Thing”. ”

            There is a big difference between “controlling elements” and “some form of guiding controls and limitations”. Capitalism has, “guiding controls and limitations” built into the system. Abuses are to be expected, but harsh government control is not necessary to correct the problem.

            “To assume that they will ~~ without enticements ~ is being naive.”

            And todays winner for “stupidest statement of the day” is, tada, this one.

            So, to address this we must first decide if you have a problem with language or reality. Since, I am fairly certain that I know what entice means, I will not go to the trouble of looking it up to post a link. It means to give an incentive to perform in a manner desired. To offer a reward for a service or action. Now, while I might blindly agree that, saying I will not kill you if you do it my way is a reward? You get to live if you conform? I don’t think that the artificially created threat allows the reward to be a valid enticement. Offering a prospective son-in-law some land to live on, if he marries your daughter, is an enticement. A shotgun wedding is not. A shotgun wedding is coercion.

            So, what you “naively” call enticement, is actually coercion by unions.

          • Deerinwater

            I’ve been looking for this post for a few days ~ i actually have a life that demand my attention, but I do enjoy arguing with you Frank ~ ~ so much you have given me ! ~ duty beckons ~ I’ll enjoy take this a part for you ~ when I doesn’t interfere with my “earnings”

            Disquis seems to play hell with my browser at times ~ till then, stay well and keep your motor running.

    • michiganminuteman

      Why don’t you go ask someone one the huff post to fall on your turgid sword, you are nothing more than a communist agitator.

      • Deerinwater

        Well, ~ if it don’t work ~ keep doing it anyway is what Senator Ted Cruz is telling us. ~ Losing has nothing to do with “Pastel colors” ~ or Ideology” ~ it’s all about the “Package” and the way it is “Delivered”

        The GOP lost two elections because their selected candidates that did not appeal to enough votes!

        It’s called math!

        Now you can think that your are some sort of Smart MF if you want to. ~ But you need to look around and learn to count.

        and calling me names will not solve your math problems, Numb Nuts.

        Offer the American people someone that they can believe and vote for. ~

        Mitt, ~ told us that he was good with money and we should vote for him~ but only offered us Tax returns for one year, ~ the year he was basically on vacation ~ and distancing himself from past shady “dealing” where he has slipped through regulation and the DA’s attention.

        McCain vowed that he and Ms Palin were going to “clean up the Hill”~ While he couldn’t even run his campaign the way that he wanted to for the likes of Karl Rove, Norquist and K Street interference.

        So you tell us, what sort of McCain “clean up” might that entail?

        It’s not rocket surgery.

        You can’t walk around with a bunch of turkeys and expect to fly with the eagles.

        You are obviously not smart! ~~and neither is this Senator from Texas.

        Deal with the realities of the math. ~ this attempt to restrict the vote will only buy you “minutes”.

        Enough with the soft soap routine, ~ offer us someone that we can vote for.

        • michiganminuteman

          hey friends……….sounds like I hit a nerve with ol commi-inwater! I love it when a plan comes together.

          • Deerinwater

            HA HA ! ~ do you believe in the ambiguity of cyberspace? ~ Bring it! Bucket Mouth.

            you haven’t got a flocking plan ~ you are just lipping off and attempting to crack wise.

            and you don’t have no friend’s here , this ain’t the Love Boat.

  • NickCzudy

    The problem with Rep Cruz mindset is that .
    The loss of the last two elections was not due to the watered down pastel Republican message. The voters got the message very well indeed and did not like that they are hearing.
    He said that the GOP message was jobs. I have not seen a single thing that they did to promote jobs in the last 5 years. It is smoke screen. They have principles that will hurt this country and the majority of Americans to not like their message. If they continue to damage the American economy, they will not get reelected again. Mr. Cruz does not see this and his stance is wrong.

    As for the harm that is implied by Obamacare that is also a complete lie. Why is no one saying the truth. The reason that the GOP are so against Obamacare is because they have received 100’s of millions of dollars from the Health lobby to keep the statues quo. The Health industry are making a fortune on the backs of Americans and they want to maintain that. Lets call it exactly what it is. It is called bribery! If they stop Obamacare, then the money will continue to flow into their pockets. Obamacare will hold down the escalating health costs. This will reduce their outrageous profits and the Health Lobby and GOP will lose billions.
    That is the truth and no one has the balls to say it.
    So the GOP know that if they let Obamacare get implemented, then Americans will see that all of the Right Wing bull $hit about Obamacare is false and they will see how much better it is and they will like it.
    Then the health lobby will fail and the GOP will lose a major part of their cash flow. It might mean the end of the GOP as we know it.
    So Rep Cruz is fighting a crazy fight on principle. But that principle is not good for America and it is a ridiculous fight.

    Do you think that Americans want someone to govern America that is willing to cause harm in the name of following principle?

    • Frank Kahn

      Yes, many do, how do you think that idiot Obama won his second election? There has never, not even 1 time, in the last 5 years been a workable jobs plan put forward by the liberal machine. If you want jobs, get out of the way, you are destroying America’s ability to survive.

      Obamacare is not good, it has no good points in it. Everyone that is already being affected hate it. Read the true stories instead of your liberal lies.

      • NickCzudy

        Frank. Nice to meet you. It has been a while. Something happened that I stopped getting emails when I had a reply. It might have been an attempt of censorship on this site.

        How did Obama win the last election.

        1) he had a great team that was able to mobilize the electorate to get out and vote.

        2) He had a great message of balance to create jobs and increase revenue. Mitts message was lower taxes on the wealthy and cut costs. Obama had a very good, well thought out platform.

        3) Obama never put his foot in his mouth like Mitt did with the 47% and Jeep sending jobs to China. Obama never lied and or did not get caught. Mitt and Paul Ryan got caught with a lot of lies. Like etch-a-sketch, Jeep to China, 47%, Obamacare stealing 74 billion from medicare and many more. What was worse, when caught they did not back off, instead they double downed. Also Mitt made the mistake to run on Obama’s poor performance in his first 4 years. He actually did pretty good. Paul Ryan’s economic plan also helped Obama.
        On the other hand, Obama’s plan to help the economy were:
        1) Stimulus money to repair or replace infrastructure. (blocked by the house)
        2) Trying to stop the sequester (Passed by the house. It killed a million jobs and slowed the economy) Obama wanted to cut costs surgically. the house did not.

        3) Obama cut the deficit by about 50% and cut the size of government. (House did not help. They constantly belly ached about Dems equal big government. Actually the opposite is true. When the GOP are in command, the deficit and size of government go up. It is facts and history.
        4) Obama raised taxes on the 1%, increasing revenues and giving the middle class more money to spend, This stimulates the economy as the middle class spend most of it. If the 1% make more money, they send it to Cayman banks or invest in foreign countries.
        5) Obama cut the corporate income tax rate and made efforts to simplify the tax code. (This was blocked by the GOP house)
        6) Obama gave incentives for Corporations to bring their factories back to the USA. Several companies are doing this. Apple Inc. is one example.
        7)Obama tried to raise the Minimum wage. This would stimulate the economy and reduce the dependence on food stamps. (Blocked by the GOP House)
        This is a few ideas that I got off the top of my head. If I wanted to spend some time and search on the internet, there would be more than 100 bills to improve the economy.
        The GOP houise, did everything possible to block as much as they could, under the misguided idea that if they could get the economy to fail, then they would have something to blame on Obama. As usual, this did not work.

        Now they are threatening to not raise the debt limit and put the economy into a tail spin, by the misguided idea that Americans will reward the GOP bu screwing with the economy and being obstructionist by voting them back into power in 2014 and 2016.
        This is a very misguided way of thinking and governing. What will happen instead is that they will lose the house at the next election.
        The GOP have to come up with some real ideas that will help America and not obstruct and ruin the economy. Instead they are doubling down that they have to be obstinate and keep touting their failed principles and they will win the next election. haha. I do not think so.
        They need to get their minds out of the vaginas of American women and actually do something positive for the economy.

        • Frank Kahn

          In the distant past, I tried really hard to be understanding and thoughtful of the misgivings of liberals. That is no longer true. I have learned, through many many conversations here, that liberals will continue to lie no matter what they are shown. Truth and facts are truly foreign to them. I can see, by your blind acceptance of Obama, that you are one of these people. You fear the truth so much that you denigrate us thoughtful people by accusing us of being uneducated and unwilling to accept progress. You spout the egregious lie about liberals being more intelligent and able to apply reason instead of emotion. All your ideas (liberal) are based on emotion, not reason or facts. The economy is in the toilet, it is in a downward spiral. It has even accelerated its downward plunge lately. YOU liberals want to blame it all on the republicans, when in fact, it is your policies that are currently hurting us. Every item that you stated that is supposedly a good thing is wrong. I will go through each one individually to attempt to show you your mistakes, but I am sure you will be either unable or unwilling to admit the truth.

          “How did Obama win the last election.

          1) he had a great team that was able to mobilize the electorate to get out and vote.

          A half truth, Obama did not win the election, Romney lost it. Obama supporters mainly voted race in the election, they had little knowledge or liking for his policies.

          “2) He had a great message of balance to create jobs and increase revenue. ”

          Pure opinion and conjecture, Obama has not ever put forth a cognizant plan for jobs creation. His main talking point has been to blame republicans for the economy not getting better. That is not a plan, that is playing the blame game.

          “Mitts message was lower taxes on the wealthy and cut costs. ”

          Even though I consider your opinion on this to be wrong, I will basically ignore it since we are discussing Obama not Romney.

          “Obama had a very good, well thought out platform.”

          Once again, this is just your opinion, and of course the opinion of all the other liberal Obama lovers. I would challenge you to give examples of his platform (with links to appropriate video proof), which was a solid means of economic growth.

          “3) Obama never put his foot in his mouth like Mitt did with the 47% and Jeep sending jobs to China. Obama never lied and or did not get caught.”

          Not sure how to, accurately, respond to this one, since your use of the phrase “put his foot in his mouth” is not clearly defined. If you want to say that Obama lying about calling Benghazi a terror attack the day after it happened, is not putting his foot in his mouth, then no he didn’t.

          “Mitt and Paul Ryan got caught with a lot of lies. Like etch-a-sketch,Jeep to China, 47%, Obamacare stealing 74 billion from medicare and many more. ”

          Now, your opinion has turned into simple liberal hate mongering lies. As it turns out, they did plan to open a factory in China to produce Jeeps, the fact that they are not closing the factory here is the only discrepancy in Romneys claim. The statement about the 47%, who are taking government handouts, not wanting to vote for a candidate that wants to cut those benefits is not a lie, it is a fact. I would have to do some additional research on the transfer of medicare funding to Obamacare before responding to that one. As for the broad statement “and many more”, that is simply hyperbole unless you can name those many more lies.

          “What was worse, when caught they did not back off, instead they double downed. ”

          If, your statements are essentially true, backing down would be stupid and dishonest. Maintaining that you were being truthful is not doubling down unless you know you are lying in the first place.

          “Also Mitt made the mistake to run on Obama’s poor
          performance in his first 4 years. He actually did pretty good. ”

          The problem here is the liberal blindness. Obama did nothing good in his first 4 years, so running against all his failures was the best option. It is not Romney’s fault that liberals are too blindly in love with the half black impostor.

          “Paul Ryan’s economic plan also helped Obama.”

          WTF are you trying to get at here?

          “On the other hand, Obama’s plan to help the economy were:”

          All total failures, not one thing actually improved the economy for the normal working citizen.

          “1) Stimulus money to repair or replace infrastructure. (blocked by the house)”

          Let me see, is this that plan for his “shovel ready jobs” that turned out to not really be shovel ready? Is it his plan to pad the bank accounts of union workers by giving massive contracts to strictly union contractors?

          “2) Trying to stop the sequester (Passed by the house. It killed a million jobs and slowed the economy) ”

          Still waiting for anyone to give an example where the sequester actually forced the loss of essential jobs. The sequester was actually put forth by Obama and he endorsed it. It also had the backing of democrats in congress so blaming the house republicans is dishonest.

          “Obama wanted to cut costs surgically. the house did not. ”

          NO, Obama didn’t want to cut any spending, that was evident in every action he has taken. The sequester was aimed at forcing congress to make large necessary cuts to avoid the sequester. The democrats were just as hard headed as the republicans in working together to accomplish this.

          “3) Obama cut the deficit by about 50% and cut the size of government. ”

          I have heard this, LIE?, many times. I have read the reports on the deficit spending of the (non) budget. First, I cannot seem to understand how Obama reduced the deficit by 50% if he never had a budget in the entire first 4 years. Second, if the current 1 trillion dollar deficit is only 50% of what it would have been, where did that larger number come from?

          “(House did not help. They constantly belly ached about Dems equal big government. Actually the opposite is true. ”

          Actually, you are half right, it is both sides that are for big government. But calling it as if the problem is all the republicans fault is either ignorance or a blatant lie.

          “When the GOP are in command, the deficit and size of government go up. It is facts and history.”

          And when the democrats are in command the same happens, so what is your point?

          “4) Obama raised taxes on the 1%, increasing revenues ”

          He did no such thing, the supposed raise in taxes did not increase revenues.

          “and giving the middle class more money to spend,”

          Several problems with this statement. First and foremost, the tax increase was not limited to the top 1%, it actually affected people way down into the $200,000 income range. This, in case you did not know it, is where many “middle class” people are situated. Second, and even more important, are you insane? Please help me understand how a liberal can believe that making all the billionaires in the country pay more taxes puts more money in the pockets of middle class citizens.

          “This stimulates the economy as the middle class spend most of it. ”

          Lets pretend, that raising the taxes on the 1%, somehow puts more money into the middle class’s pocket. Okay, now, I have heard so much BS about how Reganomics was a failure. How trickle down economics can never work. I will assume that you are in this class of people, because it seems that all liberals believe this way. So, if you do believe this, how do you reconcile your idea that the economy will improve through a trickle down that starts from the middle class instead of the top 1%?

          “If the 1% make more money, they send it to Cayman banks or invest in foreign countries.”

          Check out where democrats keep their millions, it might surprise you to find out they might use Cayman banks also. As to investing in foreign countries, that is a problem caused by government policies. Those policies are supported by both the democrats and republicans. Taxation rates will not eliminate this trend, because it is economically sound business practices.

          “5) Obama cut the corporate income tax rate and made efforts to simplify the tax code. ”

          Never heard anyone make this claim before. In what area did he attempt to simplify the tax code?

          “(This was blocked by the GOP house)

          6) Obama gave incentives for Corporations to bring their factories back to the USA. Several companies
          are doing this. Apple Inc. is one example.”

          Need you to give an example and proof of this assertion.

          “7)Obama tried to raise the Minimum wage. This would stimulate the economy and reduce the dependence
          on food stamps. (Blocked by the GOP House)”

          Thank, whatever power you believe in, that this was blocked. You might need a course in economics to understand just how bad that idea was. You don’t stimulate an economy with inflationary policies. Raising the minimum wage would have caused both inflation and job loss by small independent employers.

          “This is a few ideas that I got off the top of my head. If I wanted to spend some time and search on the internet, there would be more than 100 bills to improve the economy.”

          Please, feel free to search, I will be happy to help you sort out the good from the bad.

          “The GOP houise, did everything possible to block as much as they could, under the misguided idea that if they could get the economy to fail, then they would have something to blame on Obama. ”

          Liberal lying BS. Obama’s ideas were pure poison to the economy. Blocking them were essential in saving the economy. It had nothing to do with TRYING TO MAKE OBAMA LOOK BAD.

          “As usual, this did not work. ”

          Let me enlighten you, everyone, who is not a liberal, knows that Obama is a failure. We did not have to do anything to make it happen, he did it all on his own.

          “Now they are threatening to not raise the debt limit and put the economy into a tail spin, by the misguided idea that Americans will reward the GOP bu screwing with the economy and being obstructionist by voting them back into power in 2014 and 2016. ”

          More liberal horse sh1t. If Obama can’t learn to live with a balanced budget he should resign. We don’t need to give him more money to spend, he needs to spend less.

          “This is a very misguided way of thinking and governing. ”

          Yes, raising the debt limit, just because the idiot wants to keep spending like a drunken sailor is very misguided. It is no way to run a government.

          “What will happen instead is that they will lose the house at the next election.”

          If we keep losing elections, we will finally have to just start a war and kill all the worthless liberal parasites.

          “The GOP have to come up with some real ideas that will help America ”

          Wrong, the liberals need to stop trying to shove their insanity down our throats and let us get back to business.

          “and not obstruct and ruin the economy.”

          As I have tried to point out, it is the liberals that are the problem, it is not doubling down, when you keep preventing stupidity from ruling the nation.

          “Instead they are doubling down that they have to be obstinate and keep touting their failed principles and they will win the next election. haha. I do not think so.”

          As I said earlier, keep smirking, right up until the instant that bullet smashes through your head.

          “They need to get their minds out of the vaginas of American women ”

          Well, you despotic liberal peckers need to keep your willy out of their vaginas so they don’t have to keep murdering innocent babies.

          “and actually do something positive for the economy.”

          We keep trying, but you liberals won’t let any intelligent actions go through your vice-grip control of the senate.

        • denise0513

          Nick, the great team you speak of, does that include the people who committed fraud? ie: Longtime poll worker Melowese Richardson who voted more than once in Ohio.
          Obama’s plan for economic recovery with the use of stimulus; Like the “shovel ready jobs” in 2009? You know, the jobs that were NOT there or he failed to create? As far as the sequester, please keep in mind that the sequester was Obama’s idea. Raising the minimum wage would do NOTHING to help the working people. Sure their wages would go up but so would products and services and that would negate any wage increase. His partisan backed Obamacare has ushered in the age of part-time work but I guess that is okay with you. He wants to put 11+ million illegal aliens on a pathway to citizenship that will keep Americans unemployed (Obamacare rules), Don’t give me that crap “they do the jobs Americans won’t do.” I have sons that would love a job. I know young men that would kill for a chance in construction. Basically, you are telling us that a democratic controlled congress is what we need. NO THANK YOU! Obama does what Obama wants with no regard for congress or the Constitution of the United States and unfortunately, congress has allowed him to get away with it, minus a handful of members.
          I once considered myself a democrat. I liked how the dems fought with each other in order to get it right. Then I saw how they all began to walk in the same line to the same beat and that was it for me. I am NOT a republican. I do believe in the Constitution of the United States, smaller government and a balanced budget. I voted Ron Paul in 08 and again in 12 for I felt he was the one who could best handle the job. Unfortunately, the GOP had other ideas and did what they needed to do to get him out. You claim the GOP is obstructing and ruining the economy. Well, maybe they are obstructing in order to save what economy we have left. Obama has killed our economy! If he truly wanted to fix the economy, he would legalize the farming and cultivating of hemp. Not marijuana, although I don’t see that as a bad thing. Growing and cultivating hemp would start a bunch of manufacturing jobs but Obama doesn’t want that for it would put the U.S. back on top and he would rather we sink to the very bottom. Stop sucking up the democratic propaganda and start researching and thinking for yourself.

          • NickCzudy

            Hi Denise. Thanks for your response. You made some good points and others I do not agree with.
            Melowese Richardson was caught trying to vote twice. Apparently she is a little demented as she could not remember if she voted so she went again. The system was able to see that she already voted. She shouldn’t have tried to vote for her daughter. I remember seeing maybe a dozen examples of voter fraud. It is really an insignificant amount. Does it warrant making it difficult for millions of voters and prevent them from voting when there is such a small number of frauds? I know this is a big point for the Right Wing. But how many frauds are there. Recently in the news there was an article that some state claimed that there was 900 dead people that voted and then that fact was totally debunked. Most of the fraud statements have been made up and are not a reality. How does rejecting peoples photo ID’s and making them get special new ID”s that more or less are given out if they say they are GOP supporters. It is so obvious that all of these southern states and Wisconsin are blatant efforts to prevent many Democratic voters to cote. Even if they have Photo ID. Why would you not allow student ID as proof of a person’s existence? Why are the GOP so slimy that they have to go back hundreds of years in civil rights to cheat and prevent Americans from voting.
            the 11 million undocumented people have already been working. They are not taking additional jobs away from Americans. Also they will start to pay taxes and inject about one trillion dollars over 10 years into the economy.
            I like the idea of hemp and legalizing pot. Then they can let out 50% of people that have been put in jail for pot infractions and that will also save lot of taxpayer money. It will take a cash cow away from the corporations that are making a big profit on running the prisons.
            Obama has cut the size of government since his tenure. It is on the web to search if you want the truth. I know that one of the Right Wing mantras is smaller government. You refuse to acknowledge that Obama has reduced the size of government and reduced the deficit as a result. It is facts. You all refuse to acknowledge that. By the end of Obama’s term, I think that he will have a balanced budget.
            . Raising the minimum wage will take many americans off the roll of food stamps and government assistance and give Americans a more livable wage. This will stimulate the economy as these low wage earners will spend all of it in America and stimulate the economy creating more jobs. The John Stewart show did a calculation that doubling the wages from $7.25 to $15.00 would raise the cost of a Bic Mac 46 cents. The McDonald’s corporation made 4.5 billion dollars profit last year. They can afford the wage increase by just making less profit. This will help re-balance the falling wages for the middle class over the last 20 years.
            I thought that Ron Paul and was the best candidate last election. he had a lot of good ideas. They current crop of Tea Partiers have no good ideas. Their pushing the sequester into reality was irresponsible.
            Yes it was Obama’s idea. He did not think that the GOP would allow it into being, as it was so Draconian. But the GOP are not sane in their policies. Obama did many things to try and prevent the Sequester from coming into effect. This is a total GOP policy.
            Right now what the USA needs is stability, education and investment. Now is not the time to create uncertainty by threatening the debt ceiling. The GOP know this. If they threaten, to do so, it is immaturity and even malicious intent. But I would not put it past people like Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, and Louie Gomertz.

            I get my propaganda from TV mostly. I also watch Fox news like Hannity and the O’Reilly factor. Sometimes they have good ideas and comments, but most of the time they are nagging on old points that have long been dealt with like Benghazi and Antony’s Wiener.
            Most of the time, I am insulted with these shows with their agenda is fabricated and does not deal with the facts. You need to broaden your info sources.
            Best regards
            Nick Czudy

          • denise0513

            Nick, every time in the past that minimum wage was increased, the cost of products and services went up and it was more than .46. Now, as for Ms. Richardson: the woman voted via absentee ballot and then in person. Then she tried to vote using her sister’s name because the sister was in a coma. http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_news/melowese-richardson-former-poll-worker-to-be-sentenced-on-four-counts-of-voter-fraud As for the use of student ID’s; NO. College students could vote in their home state via absentee ballot and then try to vote in their college state. If we need an ID to drive and conduct our banking, there is no reason voters should not have a picture ID that would be verified through the DMV. Do you know that 2 Somalian women were allowed to vote in the state of Maine? They had no ID and could not produce papers showing they were here legally. They were told to sign a paper stating they were legal and ha the right to vote and then they were allowed to vote. That is wrong! As for your argument about the 11 million illegals(I think that number is much higher) that they are already working, that is true but their holding of the job is wrong. the business needs to be heavily fined! An American should have the job. I should broaden my resources? By watching mainstream media or reading mainstream media? No thank you! I will continue my research through alternative news outlets where they aren’t afraid to call out the government. So you think Benghazi
            has been dealt with? Maybe you believe Extortion 17 shouldn’t be dealt with? What about the IRS? These are NOT phony scandals! Hell, even CNN has a story out about the CIA in Benghazi. 4 Americans died in Benghazi while Obama slept and then campaigned to the rich and famous in Vegas. I want to know why those Americans were sent no help. A man suffered for 20 hours with a shredded leg waiting for help. However, Obama and the dems wish to call it a PHONY scandal. How damn phony would it be if the dead had been members of their families?
            I want to know why Biden told the world it was Seal Team 6 that got Bin Laden and then for a mission, Seal Team 6 was put on an old helicopter. I want to know why an Imam was allowed to pray over their caskets. The IRS crap just keeps getting deeper and deeper and closer to the White House. I want to know why the NSA is spying on Americans. As far as Anthony Weiner goes, I could careless about that pervert. Mostly, I follow Ben Swann. However there are some very interesting alternative news outlets if you are willing to search.
            My Best to You
            Denise

          • denise0513

            Nick, I forgot to address the cut in the size of government. Does your research include the ever growing list of czars Obama has appointed? Probably not. Let’s just forget about them, the same way we forget about the Americans that have given up looking for work. Now, with Obamacare, we are finding out that this monstrosity will most likely cause many small businesses to close their doors. They thought they had a way to deal with it by hiring part time help but it has been explained that if a business has 40 full time workers and 20 part time employees working 15 hours a week, the government will actually say the business has 50 full time employees. Those 20 part time workers have become 10 full time workers according to Obamacare ONLY! Small businesses is what grows this country and Obama has cut them off at the knees. ( I was thinking a little higher) Meanwhile he gives himself, congress and congressional staffers the right to not have to deal with Obamacare. Sounds fair, right? Not on your life! I am afraid the man wants to see the USA in total destruction.

    • michiganminuteman

      Here’s the thing………no matter how much information that posters give links to, regardless of the facts as they are commonly known, no amount of explaining facts or logic will change the minds of Lib’s towards their fixed minds and their single dimentional social/political thinking. And I really have limited time to respond to their childish emotionally driven posts. So, unless some lib can show me even the crudest understanding of how the world works, I just don’t have time for them . Therefor I have decided to limit my responses to their most idiotic posts and just say something like……”go suck eggs butt wipe”. It makes me feel better, it’s in vocabulary they can better understand and I don’t spend as much time grinding my teeth.

      • NickCzudy

        Dear NIchiganMilitiaMan.

        One of the main points of the Right wing Bubble is that they try and put their characteristics on the Dems and Liberals.
        It is a trait if the Right Wing to be stubborn and unmoving in their rhetoric. as they have been feed these lies since birth and they really believe it.
        Libs on the other hand are more educated and listen to a debate and argument and take the side that makes the most sense. They do not just spout age old rhetoric ad nauseum.
        Also since you are not able to come back with an intelligent

        response, you always come back with the same answer of not having the time to come up with an explanation that you really do not know how to counter.
        Then the next step is to insult with some profanity.

        You will be happy to know that you are following the same old tried and true pattern of all Right Wing uninformed and loyal patriot followers of the tripe that is spouted under the Right Wing Bubble.
        I will have my eggs over easy with peppers and cheese on toast with coffee, Thanks!.
        best regards
        Nick Czudy
        (I am curious how your next reply will be with more beligerant profanity.) haha.

    • BHR

      It is obvious you have not read the healthcare bill. My wife works for one of the largest hospitals on the west coast. Her job for the last 2 years is figure out how Obamacare will affect the hospital. They know they will be paid less per patient and will have to get permission for all procedures and surgeries. So far all employees have taken a pay cute. Managers the largest cuts. Every department is working with less staff almost to an unsafe level. To get ready for the full effect of Obamacare the hospital has laid off 2,000 people. The hospital is a NOT FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION. At this point because of Obamacare they do not know if the can keep the hospital open. This huge profit you talk about, her hospital has never seen that. They also right off about $90 million dollars a year in unpaid bills. I do not think you realize, no hospital can turn a patient away from emergency care. All hospitals have millions in unpaid bills each year.
      Before you make statements about healthcare you better read it, all 20,000 pages. Most liberals have no clue what the bill is about. Even people on welfare will get money deducted for Obamacare. There are 22 new taxes and fees that are substantial and many other smaller fees. Every body is going to pay. Even part of the pay back on student loans goes to pay for Obamacare. Part of most bank fees go to Obamacare. The costs just keep adding up. The set up costs are 3 times more than expected. We can not afford this bill at this time. Healthcare is a great goal but we ca not afford it until we balance the budget.

      • NickCzudy

        BHR. You have made some good points. I am under the impression that most hospitals and medical care facilities are for profit. If you know what the ratio of Not for profit to profit organizations are, that would be helpful.

        If the Not for profit hospitals are not using the usual “PriceMaster” pricelist that the for profit hospitals are using then maybe that is a reason for their lower income.
        A single person coming into a hospital without insurance is hit with the pricemaster. The rates in there are ridiculous. Some examples are a daily charge for a bed is in the area of $8000.00 per day. An aspirin is charged at $12.00 actual cost is about 3 cents. Patients are charged for every gown, bed sheet, tongue depressor, box of Kleenex and everything under the sun. This makes a one day stay in a for profit hisoutal about $8000.00 to $14,000.00 dollars. This is insane. It makes people go bankrupt or lose their houses. These insane profits are going into the pockets of the executives, CEO’s and executives. Unfortunately this excess profit does not go into the pockets of the workers, nurses and staff.
        The statistics of the profit made by most of the for profit hospitals is obscene. Read the article in the New York Times called “A Bitter Pill” This goes through some of the profits that are made by University hospitals that are supposed to be not for profit. The amounts are in the billions.
        These medical institutions have been putting 100’s of millions into the pockets of the Right Wing politicians to keep the medical system exactly as it is. They know that if Obamacare comes into effect, they will not be able to charge the price master as the government will not pay these outrageous charges. The money saved will come out of the pockets of the CEOs and executives and share holders. There has been too much money made on the backs of Americans.
        Now I know how the idea of Health and education being in the hands of private corporations is the mantra in the GOP run USA. All other countries in the world, look at medicine and education should be at cost and not for profit. The USA is unique in the idea of making a profit on the backs of students and sick people. This is one area that government does a much better job in keeping costs lower than for profit CEO’s. CEO’s will find cost cutting measures, but they are the ones that are keeping the “Death Panels” to refuse care to patients when the costs are too high or not profitable. It is funny how the Right Wing try to pin that onto Obamacare. I would rather have a panel of doctors making decisions on care than a money grubbing CEO making that decision..
        Obamacare is flawed as it was compromised to cater to the GOP and transition from the existing system to a partial move towards a total one payer system. It is a compromise, but a compromise in the right direction. It will need to be tweaked over the years. Once it is implemented, Americans will never go back to the old system.

        Now is the time for the bog push. The HMO’s are pushing the Right Wing to make a last stand. That is why they are going for it again. That is why they have voted over 40 times to repeal it.
        Why do none of you address the issue that the Right are taking in 100’s pf millions of dollars from the HMO’s to take this stance.

        Do you really believe that they are taking this stand because they really think that the existing system is really the best?
        haha I do not think so. It is purely money in their pockets.
        It is only because of bribery. How can you stand for this to take place” This is not tolerated in other countries.
        That is why the US medical system is over 2.5 times the cost of any other western country. The costs are because if the profit nature of the business.
        So I am not knowledgeable on your not for profit hospital. I apologize for that. But I know about the for profit system.

        The budget is heading in the right direction. Already states that have embraced Obamacare have seen cost reductions in the area of 20%. This is a universal fact. See California.

        Of coarse the Right Wing will denounce this as part of their master plan. They will claim that it is not true. It is part of the misinformation that is being spread to discredit Obamacare. But you can find out the accurate numbers yourself and it is self evident.
        I have seen the single payer system in Canada, the UK and France. It is the same care for half the cost. In Canada, my friends have no worries about making insurance payments, or keeping doctors or being turned away. They can have any doctor, go into any hospital and get great care without getting their wallets out or being rejected because of the hospital being afraid of not being paid.
        Do not say that they are not comparable as the US hospitals. That is an outright lie. They have all of the same equipment and care as any US hospital. The film y Micheal Moore is correct.
        Find out for yourself. You cannot listen to the Right Wing bubble.
        Please address the bribery if you respond to this. No one is talking about it. It is a deep dark secret that is skirted over.
        best regards
        Nick Czudy

        Instead of the mantra of getting government out of healthcare, you should say we need to get the CEO’s out of healthcare. They are the ones that are stealing the money from the backs of sick Americans.

    • Bob

      @nickczudy:disqus – Sir, if the “voters got the message”, they obviously were not listening. Unfortunately, the majority of the “voters” were/are uniformed programed insipid amoebas. In reference to the GOP letting Obamacare “get implemented”; perhaps, you should consider that, fortunately, someone has read the bill (now law). If your honest, you will admit that most Liberal governance still has not read the law. Obamacare is simply another government disaster poised to fail.
      Since you are, obviously, liberal I will ask you (probably for the first occasion in your life) to seriously and honesty consider…what government guided program has the government EVER operated with efficiency and success.

      • NickCzudy

        Thanks for your reply Bob.

        The message that Mitt Romney and the GOP put out on the last election was one of cutting taxes for the 1%, reducing spending and austerity, and cutting social programs for the poor.
        This was a message that was not one that would have fixed the problems of the last 8 years.
        G.W.Bush went into war and cut taxes at the same time. It was based on Reaganomics where give the wealthy job creators more money and they will product jobs.
        Unfortunately it was proved that it does not work.
        The wealthy moved more jobs overseas, as they could make more profit and they put their extra money in Cayman and Swiss banks instead of investing it in America to make more jobs.
        When millions of people have lost their jobs, cutting social programs is the wrong thing to do.
        Do they not understand that putting people into more duress and making life difficult will make more people desperate.
        The GOP solution is to build more prisons. Take this solution far enough and soon your will have anarchy and revolution.
        The middle class is our economic engine.. Keep them working, give them jobs and they will spend the money that they get and get it circulating in the economy. This alone is a better stimulus for the economy. That is another reason to raise the minimum wage. We need to let people working full time or part time to be able to survive in this country.
        If you look at the statistics. the upper 1% has seen increases of 400% to their wages and the next 10% about 40% increase over the last 20 years. The middle class and down have stayed the same, when living costs have been rising. This has actually reduced their take home pay.
        If Obamacare is really is as many thousands of pages that I have heard, I expect that there is no single politician that has read it. Laws and bills really do not need to be that long and wordy, or they have far too many loopholes. It should be kept simple.
        As per your question of what has the government done that is outstanding or works well.
        Now I am not saying that they are the model of efficiency, but they are programs that work and are good.
        Social Assistance is a most loved and needed benefit that I do not know of Americans that do not like it.
        The US military complex. It is outstanding and the most advanced and powerful in the world. It needs to be pared down and we need to stay out of more wars. We just cannot afford them any more.
        Obama’s State department has mended many of the bridges that were broken during the previous 8 years and caused worldwide US hate and fomented terrorist acts against the USA. They have brought back world wide respect of America.
        the US FED. They have successfully managed the come back from the recession 5 years ago and have been key in improving the economy and the stock market. They saved the auto industry in America and made policy decisions that saved Chrysler and GM. They bailed out the banks and kept an even worse collapse of the financial system.

        Unfortunately, there is nothing about the health system that I can tout in the USA. Let me put Canada’s, France’s, Cuba’s and the UK’s as a better example.
        There everyone pays by deductions from everyone’s paycheck. Even if you are 16 and it is your first job.
        The amount is about 3.5% and the employer kicks in the same. What they get for it is everyone gets health care and there are no extra charges. There are no ceiling limits, there are no being rejected, there are no long waiting in the emergency department as they determine if you can pay their outrageous fees. Everyone gets healthcare. No one goes bankrupt or loses their home if they have bad luck and get sick or get into a bad accident. These deductions amount to less than $100.00 per paycheck and it covers the healthcare.

        No one loses sleep or gets an ulcer from worrying where they will get the $350.00 to $1400.00 per month to buy healthcare insurance. The HMO’s. the CEO’s and the insurance companies and their profit margin are removed from the costs. These profits and middle men in the system account for about 50% of the costs. No wonder it is the highest in the world. I just cannot understand any sane American to defending this gouging and profit taking on the backs of sick people. Healthcare and education should be run by government and be available for all Americans.
        There has been a habit of reducing investments in education. America puts out about 10% of the graduates that China does. When there are needs for jobs, that require an education, companies cannot find skilled US workers to take these jobs. Reducing education was the cause of this. More money needs to be invested in education. These jobs are being taken by Asian and others that have been educated outside of the USA.

        On the other hand, when private business is giving a free hand without government oversight, look at the corruption and fall out that has occurred: 1) The Wall Street meltdown, 2) Enron, 3) BP and environmental oversight; 4) Romney putting many companies under to send the jobs oversees, and increase his profits on the backs of 1000’s of Americans.
        Due to Obama’s policies and confidence that he has given the market, bussiness is thriving, Jobs are growing, stock market is going up. Things are slowly getting back to normal. If you can say that normal is a thriving economy?
        I am independent. But the GOP have alienated me over the years. They are like brat brothers that are temperamental, pout a lot when they get their own way. I see Obama making an honest effort to fix America’s problems and the GOP as blocking any attempt for him to do so. Even if Obama suggests policies that are GOP policies, if he makes it they will block it.
        Obama is the only adult in the room. The GOP are acting like a bunch of pouting brats.
        The only GOP policy that I can agree with is to keep unions honest. I have seen too much corruption with them trying to get what ever they can get and not just what is fair.
        In the same vein I have seen Helathcare, the oil lobby and big business like the Koch brothers funneling money into the pockets of GOP to buy their benefits. This is called bribery in other countries and is not allowed. Here it seemed to get over looked.
        I have a brain. I will support any ones policies that will make a positive step forward for Americans. I see Obama and the Dems doing this. I see the GOP as trying to harm America and then shouting that they are staying true to their philosophies. No philosophy if causing harm is so precious to do this. That is why I am supporting Obama now. I would like to see the GOP do something positive.
        regards
        Nick Czudy

  • Alex

    The Fright Wing is DEAD!

    The voice of Reason and Progress reaches your children—the voice of intolerance, greed, race-baiting, military excess, and environmental devastation will never resonate with our youth.

  • peggy

    Go Ted Cruz–I want to be on you side.