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Critics Still Confused By Obama’s Mission In Libya

March 30, 2011 by  

Critics still confused by Obama's mission in LibyaPresident Barack Obama sought to answer some of his critics in a national address regarding the conflict in Libya, yet his speech may have raised more questions than answers.

On March 28, Obama defended his decision to deploy United States forces to Libya, saying that the primary goal was to "prevent a massacre" of Libyan citizens at the hands of dictator Moammar Gadhafi. The President said that America's military role is "limited" and NATO will take control of the operation on March 30.

He also outlined his foreign policy goals, which are being called "the Obama doctrine," in which the U.S. may intervene in conflicts abroad to prevent humanitarian crises, but only if international allies are involved in the mission.

Republican lawmakers expressed confusion about the President's speech. Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) said that removing Gadhafi from power should be the end goal, but Obama said that he is not seeking a regime change through military force.

"If we tell Gadhafi, 'Don't worry, you won't be removed by force,' I think that's very encouraging to Gadhafi," McCain told CNN.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) agreed with McCain, saying that Obama was unclear about the overall aim of the intervention.

However, not all GOP legislators support military action. Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.), a Tea Party favorite, said that Ghadafi and Libya pose no threat to the U.S. and expensive bombings are not justified. 

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  • s c

    Our current prez has been in office long enough that the vast majority of his actions can be understood better in terms of what he seems to ‘want.’ That is, if he ‘wants’ it, then it’s probably bad for America – yet somehow ‘good’ for him.
    What do you think, America?

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      SC….. Obama did his usual baffle them with bullcrap sidestep. He didn’t say how we are paying for this new war, nor did he say when our military will no longer be engaged. Until we have a real plan or know what Libya’s real plan is, we shouldn’t be involved.

      • skip

        Did you hear that no one can find any evidence that Obama matriculated to, let alone graduated from Gonzaga University! They can find no evidence of a degree or any attendance of any classes there. How in the world did we elect him President without any provable evidence of his education there, please tell me! Is it true that he was educated in Medrasas in Indonesia and Kenya and Pakistan – I hear this more and more.

    • http://msn.com Margaret

      I think that obama ids a Piss pore prezz

      • http://MSN.com RonaldL

        Barack Obama failed. Why is Obama hiding his college applications and transcripts? Where is Obama’s a birth certificate?

        Obama is trampling, penalizing, micromanaging, and destroying American businesses to an unprecedented degree to unite United State of America in a one big global government. See a New World Order: where all American citizens will have no any rights and mostly will work for free to support Third world countries. None a middle class would present and all Americans would divide on multiple poor people and few elites above them. Now, we can’t imagine the future yet but it is coming.

        I believe that the Obama Administration’s subversion of our constitutional republic has reached an advanced state. If not reversed, this intensifying erosion will ultimately lead to a disregard for our God-given, unalienable rights and the complete dismantling of our constitutional system of government.

        Barack Obama is destroying America. It is up to Americans to realize the danger and rise up against this destruction before it is too late.

        • Earl Walton

          We the people will have to rally to do that our so-called repersentitives will not.Did anyone see Donald Trump on the veiw? Ignorrent bitches.

          • Thamera

            I can’t watch The View (for very long anyway) precisely because of the ignorance spewed on that show.

          • skip

            Before you call anyone “ignorrent” Earl, make sure you can spell. You got left out somewhere around 2nd grade.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          Ronald:

          “Where is Obama’s a birth certificate”?

          Right where it has always been. Locked up in Kenya.

        • http://MSN.com Kelly M

          We still have the free speech. But gradually it is going to removed and destroyed by the government. The Police state is here.

          • http://windstream Jo Anne

            We are already loosing the right to our freedom of speech. Try posting any thing that has Obama’s name in it on most all networks and it is flagged. If you post on Fox , it is censored by the modulator for negative content if that is directed at the many names used by Obama. You don’t have to have anything offensive or curseing. Just try to post the many a/k/a’s used by his royal highness this president Zero.

        • http://MSN.com John S

          It is clear about mission of Barack Obama and American military in Libya because Obama follow a New World Order and Obama doesn’t represent any economical interest of United State in Libya at this point. Maybe Obama desires to become the first world- global President.

          • Dennis

            Now thats what i call paying attention, you hit the nail right on the head, the first world leader, hell Gadhafi himself said the same thing, Remember in NY. I think they know exactly what they are doing. But keep something in mind people, OUR TROOPS, While Obama keeps playing the game the muslims are getting pissed off, and soon they will ban together, and when they do guess who they will go after first, thats right OUR TROOPS, they will be out numbered 100 to 1, they are already spread to thin over there as it is, the $hit he (Obama) is doing is only making it worse on OUR TROOPS (Americans) will pay the price for him to become King Obama, you don’t see him helping our boarders do you, no you don’t. I beleive that south of our boarders is where Obamas Military is being built, remember, he said we need a strong military force here in America, and just as well funded, remember ?. Now who do you think it will protect ?, you, me, LOL.

          • skip

            But Newt said on March 7th that we – U.S. – should enforce a no-fly zone immediately without asking anyone’s permission – quick, immediate, etc. What should we do?

        • skip

          Check out my reply to Robin above.

    • Tom S

      Anything the “village idiot” does is suspect. I wouldn’t trust him to empty a cat box.

      • http://MSN.com RonaldL

        “Obama is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos – thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within. Obama is building a dictatorship by inserting Neo—Socialism and Anarchy in every aspect of an American Society in increasing speed.“

        Plan to turn the U.S. into a Socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that needs government to survive by voting for it without the responsibility to pay for it. Legalize Illegal Immigrants. Just giving in excess of 12 million new citizens’ free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America. But they are also in excess of 12 million Democratic voters to continue to support big government.

        Puerto Rico is a State. Nobody is asking for this, but Obama sees millions of new welfare recipients, two new Democratic senators, five Democratic congressmen and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.

        It has come out that Barack Obama recently shifted the authority for approving sales of missile and space technology to China from the White House to the Commerce Department. Obama is also negotiating an agreement with Russia and it would allow the Russians to inspect U.S. military nuclear sites.

        Someday there will come a time when the United States will seriously regret this openness with Russia and China.

        • Earl Walton

          amen!

        • JIBBS

          Puerto Rico is not a state, where did you get the idea that they were ???

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            JIBBS:

            Is that one of Little Barry’s 57 states?

        • http://MSN.com Peter Green

          There is a bill to make Puerto Rico a state. Again, they are trying to pull one over on us and on Puerto Ricans, who have consistently said they do not want to become a state. Despite the bill’s deceptive title, Puerto Rico already has an elected government and exists as a self-governed commonwealth of the U.S.

          • Average Joe Patriot

            If Obama actually knew how many states we have, which he apparently does not, he would know that making Puerto Rico a state would mess up the symmetry of the American flag. But then, if we add in all the states of Mexico and provinces of Canada (NAU), plus Puerto Rico, maybe that would balance out (haven’t bothered to look it up but it’s possible, and if the number still comes out uneven, we can always initiate a unilateral invasion of Grenada, Bermuda, or Cuba–heck, why not all three?).

            No big deal. The Shrub thought the Constitution was “just a goddam piece of paper” (much like the US dollar is in actuality); Obie probably thinks the US flag is just a colorful scrap of cloth.

          • Mike in MI

            AJP -
            Indeed he does think that – colorful rag. And to him and his good friends under the hammer and sickle, crescent moon and red star it is a great way to start a fire on the village green. Just got to be careful if there are any oak trees around that you don’t in any way harm any acorn.

            That isn’t the half of our problems. Here in Michigan one of the Republican Congressional leaders from the fourth District – Dave Camp – had one of his hardly thinking aides out saying, “We’re not in any trouble on the economy and debt stuff. We can easily afford to put more pressure on our financial system.”
            Boy, it only took them 5 months to climb back in with the Obamacrats. This really has me worried, now. ‘Cause if they’re going over to the enemy with 19 months to go ’til the next vote…? They seem to be rolling the enslavers’ boulder – going down the hill backwards – at a carefully measured rate.

            Also, I think it’s time to bring our soldiers home from overseas before the army has no way to afford to pay thir way back – due to Obama’s profligacy.

    • skippy

      lol sc!! i agree with you!!! hmmmm…just wondering…any picks for 2012 to go against him??

      • s c

        Skippy, at the moment, I’d be happy with someone who has no ties to Washington, hasn’t sold his or her rump and whatver else is ‘normal,’ is willing to make enemies to get the job done AND will put every back-stabbing, useful idiot individual and group under a microscope until they GO AWAY.
        Also, I want someone who knows how to read, has MUCH common sense, hates having America in chains, will STOP exporting “democracy” and does NOT see the Constitution as a “living” document.

        • Robert S

          Odds are that no matter who becomes president in 2012 nothing is going to change.

          • Cawmun Cents

            Give that man a cupie doll!

        • azwayne

          Make a little effort, learn about, listen to what Herman Cain has to say. If at all possible get his radio program and learn his true feelings. This man has nothing to do with politicians, extremely smart, believes totally in constitution, huge load of common sense. Not popular enough yet, just watch every day positive response, even if liberal media won’t let known. Also successful business best we have available yet.

          • RBrown

            I’m a little late in responding today … But I agree with you. I like Herman Cane and I think more of the people who post here should take the time to learn more about him. As of now I would vote for him.
            More common sense than a boat load of government lawyers.

        • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

          SC:

          How about Herman Cain, the “dark horse”?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Old Henry,
            check out Duncan Hunter SR!

    • JC

      “Critics Still Confused By Obama’s Mission In Libya”

      Are you kidding guys?

      “Obama” is confused by Obama’s Mission In Libya.

      • JUKEBOX

        He’s not only confused, he doesn’t even know what his plan because he doesn’t have one. A person with no grasp of reality does not need to be in charge of a nation.

        • JC

          And further to that,
          Where in our Constitution does it say we would even have such a mission?

          Oh that’s right…we work for NATO now. NATO decides whether or not Americans will die on foreign soil for the betterment of “NATO”.
          This Globalist crap has just got to go!

          • Average Joe Patriot

            You talk about Americans dying on foreign soil at the behest of NATO, JC. Good point, but… How about Americans dying on AMERICAN soil at the HANDS of NATO? At the hands of UN troops? At the hands of Mexican troops, federales and rurales?

            Farfetched?

            If there is, indeed to be an NAU (all of us exchanging worthless fiat US dollars for fiat Ameros, adopting Spanglish as our official language, and so on) as a step toward NWO, there will be a lot of very pissed off armed Americans. Many US troops and police would no doubt be among them, upholding their oath, hence suspect and unreliable. And there aren’t enough mercs (fiat-paid, thus unreliable) to make a dent in what could become a widespread Second American Revolution. (Katrina was not a test or a trial balloon, it was a sideshow.)

            Only a coalition of foreign forces would have a possible shot at establishing enduring martial law here (and believe it, however politely they all may converse around international conference tables, the arrogant US Empire has a LOT of foreign enemies who would happily subjugate the average American citizen with a will and enthusiasm, given the authority and a greenlight).

            French Mirage fighter jets overhead? British Armalites and Czech AKs lining up their sights on Winchester-toting farmers and ranchers? German boots thudding upon our city streets? Invading troops speaking a dozen languages over their military-issued Japanese radios across our fields and farms?

            Crazy notions. Could such a thing happen in America? How?

            Well, it’s all in the acronyms: UN, NATO, NAU, NWO, CFR, FRB, BATFE and every damn other thing our first president warned us against which could involve or entail “foreign entanglements.” (Yes, the Federal Reserve Bank is a “foreign entanglement” because it’s tied to the Rothschild cartel, and yes our Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms is a “foreign entanglement” because they allow arms delivery over our borders to other sovereign nations while attempting to prevent ownership here.)

            Another (by some, anyway) revered president almost apologetically warned us of the growing threat of the “military-industrial complex,” (which he’d been a part of).

            Combine foreign (especially financial) entanglements with the military-industrial complex and we’ve got ourselves a recipe cooked up in Hell, to be served up sooner or later on a family dinner table near you.

            The surrender of Cornwallis at Yorktown was not the end of anything. Most Americans don’t realize it was just the beginning of a now ongoing (and currently foundering) experiment in human freedom against an incessant and obdurate ages-old human enemy: the persistant desire on the part of some sociopaths to enslave the rest of those around them. The rest of…us.

            Even were I alone in my beliefs about this, I would stand my ground against such bastards. In almost any sort of confrontation I’ve always been more comfortable on my feet. As opposed to being on my knees, or sitting on my ass.

            All of which is a long winded way of saying: I don’t hold with most rhetoric, however resounding. To rewrite a popular revolutionary phrase: “Give me liberty, or give me a clear shot at the @$$#ole$ who want to take it from me.” There. It lacks rhetorical scansion, but rings more true.

            I may not be as ready as I could or would like to be, but I’m surely willing. How able I am remains to be seen. It would be nice if I were not alone, I’d like to think I am not, but within my personal philosophy, it doesn’t matter either way. Maybe that’s just me.

          • JC

            Average Joe,

            I think you’ve summarized and supposed very accurately.
            The notion of foreign troops on American soil is very real to me.
            The first and worst hit will be the states along the southern border.
            I hope some patriots there can see it coming and are prepared.

            As for farmers with Winchesters…there’s a lot of them.
            And here’s something I looked into that might interest you.
            The states of Wisconsin, Michigan, W, Virginia and Pennsylvania alone issued over 2.7 million Deer hunting licences in the fall of 2010.
            That’s 2.7 million snipers in 4 states alone. Guys who know survival skills and very probably think like “Americans”.

            I haven’t had time to add up the whole country…but I’ll bet the numbers would blow your mind. (and mine) Add that to the farmers and patriots in uniform…and I don’t think you’ll be alone. ;)

          • Cawmun Cents

            Average Joe Patriot…it didnt work back when…wont work now.If you think that other world citizens are pissed off because of foreign occupation….haha….you havent even grazed the surface of that stone.I know that there are more than a few regular posters on this thread that would highly object to foreign troops martialing our citizens.I wouldnt give a plug nickel betting for how long the man who brought them here would live.Wouldnt last long enough to be a wager.They also couldnt pay those guys enough……they got enough problems paying our own troops.

        • Earl Walton

          Someone not a legal American has no right.People wake up he is a muslium an he is doing what musliums do.Our Contitution means nothing to him or the majority of the people running this country.Do you think this would be going on if this was back in your grandparents time.

        • Don

          Jukebox, He does have a plan and it’s not a good one for American people , this wannabe dictator has just about ruined this country, and he’s done it without a birth certificate, and Congress sits on it’s hands, and where is our Military leaders? can’t they see what he is doing, he needs to be stopped !!!

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            Don:

            Congress is, as a whole, in on it, and in it for themselves. They are busy feathering their nest.

            The military, I think, is afraid of taking aciton and having it appear as a third world military coup. (Don’t forget to pronounce the p)

        • Elizabeth

          AMEN AMEN JUKEBOX that is so dog gone true most just want to believe all his lies and think he is a saviour but there is only one true saviour JESUS CHRIST

      • skippy

        JC….u are SOOOOO right. that was the best explanation yet!!! GOOD ONE!! (ps…wish i had your email…got a great cartoon about the “plan”…LOL)

    • Elizabeth

      I know what I feel and that is OBAMA acts like he is God why did he skip Congress and start the war? I can’t believe he gets away with everything is he holding information on everyone in Congress and the Senate to blackmail them so they will not impeach him I truly wonder about what goes on besides OBAMA is getting richer and the USA being broke

    • Steve G.

      Odumber has told Gadhafi, ‘Don’t worry, you won’t be removed by force’. I wonder if he’s sent him an invitation to come to the White House for a little sit down community organizing meeting, have some of his “White House Home Brew” and a State Dinner? He probably has to get his golfing and vacation plans figured out first before the invitations go out.

    • Average Joe Patriot

      s c: “What do you think, America?” You asked, Sir or Madam.

      Personally? I think we make (have made) a mistake in calling these United States, “America” in the first place. We’re not America, our country geographically is a part of North America, which is part of the north and south American continents, rather a large land mass, of which we’re a smallish part. (I respect your input and that of many here; hear me out, I’m not playing games with you, nor with this issue.)

      Our calling ourselves “America” simply reinforces the notion of US empire (which is, let’s admit, accurate). Why aren’t Canadians and Mexicans identifying themselves as “Americans?” Why are “American” visitors and tourists overseas lying about their country of origin to citizens of other countries, calling themselves Canadians? For their own personal safety.

      Is this co-opting of the term “American” by a geophysically small nation merely because linquistically it is easy to say Canadian or Mexican, but United Statesian sounds awkward?

      A better or more accurate way to phrase your question, S C, might be “What do you think, U.S. citizens?” (Again, no disrespect.)

      Personally, I don’t like “Yank.” Brings to mind chains and pet-leashes, domination stuff, bad connotations. Precisely what our founders and framers hoped to avoid.

      I’m not dissing you or your message at all, S C, just bringing up what I consider an important (if apparently semantic) point.

      Bear with me, here, or skip this paragraph: I say “apparently semantic” because there are two forms/branches of semantics: “linguistic” semantics, and “general” semantics (the former informs the latter). We “speak” in semantics, we “think” in GENERAL semantics, the way in which our very terminology channels (verb), or makes our minds work, or at least gives us a well-worn path to follow from which we only deviate when we really start to “think outside the box” as it were. If you don’t get it, you’re most likely still in the box, return to your scheduled programming.

      In one of the worst inadvertent turns of history, I’m beginning to believe, we started calling our country “America.” Our nation was formed out of a group of British established colonies and land grants (which obviated the rights of the local inhabitants by rule of gunpowder and lead, social Darwinism by gun, a military invasion). Historical reality…can’t take it back now. Probably you could say “America” as a verbal term is a British invention. Perhaps it’s merely a shortening of “The United States of America,” which would unfortunately make us, dubbed individually, as “The-United-States-of-Americanian” which would look clutzy on passports and sound cumbersome during foreign cocktail party introductions.

      Makes us, perforce, Yanks. Brits are limeys, Frenchies are frogs, Asians are assorted slopes, Pollacks are dopes, Russians are ruskies, Germans are krauts, Africans are n-gg-rs, Messicans are spics, Muslims are ragheads, Japanese are nips, Jews are kikes, all Asians are slopes, hell…most Ammies are pindah-likoye white-eyes, yankies, honkies, ofays, or the Great Satan, depending on where “our” government tells us to invade in force, next. Whether with Winchesters, M-16s, or depleted uranium shells.

      We diminish others and ourselves by such labels to distinguish ourselves as superior. Most tribes over the planet have called themselves “the People” and all others something else.

      As one who has personally invaded no ones’ space, I object to being called an American, a honkie, a Mick, a whitey, an Ammie, a Yank, orvarious other inaccurate or inappropriate names, but I don’t directly blame the misinformed/miseducated speaker. I’m a citizen of the ground I walk upon. I don’t believe I’m trespassing upon the Universe, nor do I believe anyone I meet is, either. I’m a visitor to this place from somewhere else like anyone else (whether they choose to wear rags on their heads or carry Armalites). I wish no one harm.

      Unless they mean me or mine harm. Then rules change. Then careful’s the watchword, quick the act. I don’t care what flag you’re waving around.

      • JC

        Interesting analogy. maybe it would be better if each of us “Americans” referred to ourselves a Texan, or Arizonan, or Californian etc. As being citizens of “one” of the United States.
        Thus, publicly reaffirming our devotion to personal and state sovereignty.

    • http://Verizon Bud G.

      S.C.: Do you remember that I said some months ago that this administration and the Socialist Democrats in Congress have a plan to turn this country into Socialism and become part of an International Government? Libya is not a threat to this nation and the excuse used to get involved is lame. What this is is a test run on International Government and United States inclusion.

      Now go to the biographical information on George Soros, the person who is pushing the buttons in this administration and key persons in Congress and you will see the connection. Mr. Soros has not hid the fact he desires an International Government and of course in his mind, it would be based on Socialism. He is a Progressive (translation: Socialist. You will see who he has contributed to and his perspective on government. One who used nearly 100 million of his money to get George Bush defeated and get his man in the White House.

    • Americanfirst

      agree 100%

    • http://N/A John

      It seems we now have the most unpresidential president that has ever been in the White House. Rest assured that as the nation improves on jobs and economy he will be there to grab all of the credit even though it will be none of his doing. The man with the change and most open government has had more secret meetings in two years than the past 3 administrations combined. There seems to be an agenda for improvement but it fails to include our country. And where it the birth certificate?

  • Mick

    I know that I am off topic but I am sick and tired to constantly seing BigBadJohn lying through his teeth to try to influence the rest of us to his way of thinking, so I am posting this on every articles the personal Liberty puts out, if people don’t like it ………OH WELL.

    Mick says:
    March 30, 2011 at 6:20 am

    BigBadJohn says:
    March 29, 2011 at 10:53 am
    Here we go again….

    Old Henry

    Bush inherited a 100 billion dollar deficit and turned it into a 1.5 TRILLION dollar deficit – a 1500% increase.

    Obama inherited a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit and turned it into a 1.8 trillion dollar deficit. Approximately a 30% increase.

    Obama is not/has not been near as destructive as Bush and the republicans
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    OK BigBadJohn ! Why don’t you stop been a good lefty for once and start telling the truth, quit lying to try to prove a point.
    if people really want to know what’s going on with the Budget go to……..

    http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

    The data for the total public debt outstanding is published each business day. If there is no debt value for the date(s) you requested, the value for the preceding business day will be displayed.

    ( Debt Held by the Public vs. Intragovernmental Holdings )

    Date Debt Held by the Public Intragovernmental Holdings Total Public Debt Outstanding

    Here are the treasury direct figures for when Bush took over UntilObama took over

    01/19/2001 5,727,776,738,304.64 Bush takes over

    8 YEARS

    01/20/2009 10,626,877,048,913.08 Obama take over

    Now from January 20 2009 and present time under Obama

    01/20/2009 10,626,877,048,913.08 Jan 20, 2009

    2 YEARS , 2 month and 8 days, Damn it people start doing the math and begin to see clearly.

    03/28/2011 14,211,567,662,931.23 march 28, 2011

    For people interested at seing the daily report on OUR DEBT I would suggest that you go and (I repeat) to the TREASURY DIRECT site, punch in the dates you want to verify and it will give you the debt to the penny,may I also suggest you forward this site to many of your friends and family regardless of their party affiliation, some of them just might wake the hell up.
    Have a good day…

    • Ed

      Mike WHO CARES CHINA OWNS the United States. IT’s The UNITED STATES of CHINA Now!!!

      • Elizabeth

        it truly amazes me how many back OBAMA no matter what the queer does he still gets a good name yet Clinton on a lie got kicked out like Donald Trump says he put his birth record out there to get OBAMA to but did it you can believe what some want but God in Heaven is coming back and do not be surprised if OBAMA is part of the devil team no one has ever went into office telling he was a Christian then say he is muslim and then he says he is Black now he says he isn’t. I do not care what he is he is destroying the USA and when the truth comes out about him nothing will be left but a Muslim nation instead of the USA

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Ed,
        I CARE!!! IT WON’T BE THE UNITED STATES OF CHINA TILL EVERY TRUE RED BLOODED AMERICAN IS DEAD IN THE STREETS!!! You don’t like that, Ed? TOUGH!!

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Mick… You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that Obama and his cronies are much worse when it comes to spending than during the Bush presidency. I actually did try to research this somewhat, and it depends which website you go to and if it is liberal or conservative. But, I agree with you. Obama’s spending is the worst ever and our country is going for broke.

    • Warrior

      Wow Mick, as that great statesman, chucky slimer would say, That’s Extreme!

      • Mick

        Warrior says:
        March 30, 2011 at 7:57 am
        Wow Mick, as that great statesman, chucky slimer would say, That’s Extreme!
        >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
        Warrior

        ..What’s extreme ?
        Answering the BigBdJohn lies by posting what the treasury direct shows every citizens if they’re willing to bother about our debt on a daily basis .

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      Mick – A man of his word. I like that.

  • kilrntex

    The way I read your math is that in eight years under Bush we went from 5T to 10T. Obama has been there for two yrs and went from 10T to 14T. That’s like 5T compared to 16T for Obama in eight yrs. Thanks for filling us in, I’ll send it to all my buds and let them know that.

    • Mick

      kilrntex says:
      March 30, 2011 at 7:16 am
      The way I read your math is that in eight years under Bush we went from 5T to 10T. Obama has been there for two yrs and went from 10T to 14T. That’s like 5T compared to 16T for Obama in eight yrs. Thanks for filling us in, I’ll send it to all my buds and let them know that.
      &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
      You got it kilrntex, I think more people should be aware of what’s going on instead of living it up to the lies the left has been spreading for decades,.
      I have little hope for the lefties concerning the budget but we may have a few folks out there interested at the well being of the country as a whole.

      • Eddie47d

        First of all the topic is Libya and as I stated 3 weeks ago we never should have gotten involved.Secondly we all accidentally get off topic but this diliberate changing the subject is rather bold. On Monday the one topic was self defense without the use of a weapon(gun). A few used it as a reason to bring up the 2nd Amendment and killing the intruder outright with a weapon. That was totally off subject so I am assuming anything goes from now on. Now will Kentucky win the Final Four and will Obama have a ring side seat? He does love basketball and that could be a burning question in domestic tranquility. LOL

        • Thamera

          Indeed it could Eddie and I wouldn’t be surprised if we, the public, get to hear all about it, just like Obama’s picks for the final four.

        • independant thinker

          “On Monday the one topic was self defense without the use of a weapon(gun). A few used it as a reason to bring up the 2nd Amendment and killing the intruder outright with a weapon.”

          While the firearm issue was not in the theme of the article (improvised weapons)at least it was related (self defence).

  • http://none Karl Larsen

    I use the Federal web page as well, checking to see if the Democrats have somehow managed to transfer their MASSIVE debt to the National Debt. So far so good. The older 4 Trillion Dollar increase since the Obama Government took over has not increased as of today.

  • http://msn.com Margaret

    I think we should impeach obama he has not a danm thing for this country ecept cause all to go broke that theifSocial security is going down the crsapper thanks to obama he needs to spend a few yearsd in Jail the theif tright with the rest of the freakin crooks

    • Tom S

      As much as I despise the “Kenyan village idiot”, I have to correct you. The Republicans AND democrats are quilty of raiding Social Security and depleting the funds that should be there. This SS theft started decades ago and is now coming to a head.

      • Earl Walton

        The way I have be lead to beleive is money is being pulled from SS to put in to medicaid and food stamp program so lazy asses an illegals can screw the people that deserve it,YOUR GRANDPARENTS for one.Anyone not beleiving illegals have not help break us is wearing blinders.

      • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

        An investigation should be done to determine who in the last 50 years of theft has voted for, or signed any budget that spent SS Trust Fund money on anything other than SS.

        Once the list is complet those still living should be arrested for fraud, jailed, tried, convicted and executed. Everything they own would be confiscated / liquidated and the proceeds put into the SS Trust Fund.

        For those already dead we would track down all the assets left behind, confiscate . kuqyudate them and put them into the SS Trust Fund. Digging up and hanging the dead ones would be optional.

        Just the Kennedy, Bush and Clinton foutunes would go long way.

    • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

      Actually Rep. Issa’s Oversight Committee should investigate (vet) Little Barry’s eligibility, remove him and Joey, jail them, try them, convict them and execute them. We then go after the other co-conspirator traitors on both sides of the fence.

  • George R

    Want to know who’s to blame for the SS fiasco? It’s good old “L.B.J.” and his Democratic cohorts! There hasn’t been a DIME in the SS Fund since he was Senate Majority Leader, but our fine Republicans haven’t done anything to correct it, either…

    • Thamera

      “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
      Thomas Jefferson

      • Americanfirst

        amen

  • Charles

    Heartbroken. May the G_d of heaven open our eyes to all that is going on. I am powerles to affect anyone in Washington and the White House, so in the mean time, I choose to(small as it may be) try and be a blessing to my neighbors, friends and even strangers who can never pay me back. May who ever reads this have a really great day; we don’t know how soon some bad ones may come. The days for people of hate are limited and will not go on forever.

    • Mick

      Charles says:
      March 30, 2011 at 7:51 am
      Heartbroken. May the G_d of heaven open our eyes to all that is going on. I am powerles to affect anyone in Washington and the White House, so in the mean time, I choose to(small as it may be) try and be a blessing to my neighbors, friends and even strangers who can never pay me back. May who ever reads this have a really great day; we don’t know how soon some bad ones may come. The days for people of hate are limited and will not go on forever.
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      Charles,,You make a good point when you mention trying to be a blessing to your neighbors and friends, I have done the very same thing over the years it is nice when it works but I also have met many non deserving folks stabbing you in the back no matter how much you try to help them, that’s when the old saying ( Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me ) comes to play.
      As far as being powerless to affect anyone in D.C. or the white house, I have to disagree, it’s this attitude that allowed the crooks to run our nation and if our voting power is not exercised lawfully we’re in no better shape than the middle East countries, we just as well have a dictator and succumb to his/her wishes I for one will not capitulate.

    • karolyn

      Amen, Charles. The best thing any of us can do is to make our own little worlds the kindest, most moral, most helpful, and joyful worlds we can. Turn the other cheek. Bless those who despise you. Love everyone. Only love can save the world.

      • Thamera

        While that is a very nice sentiment and I agree with you: try telling that to the likes of the Taliban.

        • Mick

          Thamera says:
          March 30, 2011 at 10:23 am
          While that is a very nice sentiment and I agree with you: try telling that to the likes of the Taliban.
          ***********************

          Thamera, I guess that if we all hold hands and sing kumbaya the terrorist and criminals will all join us and the world will be a happy family according to karolyn’s theory ,,,How lame does that sound ??? How about some reality..

          • Thamera

            I know, therein lies the problem. There will always be people that do not respond to “love”, that do not respond to “rationale” and who do not value life. Whether it is the criminal ready to mug you at knife point as you walk home from a movie, or a heavily armed group of religious fanatics like Al Qaeda and the Taliban, you aren’t going to be able to rationalize or “love” your way out of their intentions of doing you harm. There will also be despots and tyranny to which we must always be aware. While the following quote does not apply to Libya it does apply to preservation of freedom:

            “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

            -Thomas Jefferson

          • kilrntex

            Yeah, or maybe give them a Coca-Cola and all sing the song “I’d like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony” or something like that. That’s what the hippies / liberals used to do in the ’60s and ’70s. LMAO!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Charles,
      I have asked you before, but you refuse to answer. Why do you not write GOD? It is ok to invoke his name as long as it is not connected to a curse!

  • ajfrench

    Bush spent that in eight years, Obama spent his in less than two. The Jury is still out bud. Don’t count your chickens just yet. They’re about to go into severe labor pains.

  • TIME

    “CONFOUND, and CONFUSE,” Tell a REALLY BIG Lie, Repeat it over and over again until the vast number of people follow along thinking its the truth.

    I can’t make it any more simple the Nazi’s were the first attempt at World Domination, also known as the “NEW WORLD ORDER.” YES the Nazi’s were the “PROGRESSIVE PARTY.”

    Lets see the Nazi’s used; SYMBOLOGY – IDEOLOGY – ICONOGRAPHY, as well as Disinformation, plus out right LIES.
    Also a bent form of Nationalsim, all to divide and conquer the German people first, as well as the world’s view of how good Nazi’s were.

    Up until September 1939, the world view of the Nazi’s was 100% POSITIVE.
    Also please note the “September” date issue keeps popping up, don’t you wonder why that is? Learn about the “PROGRESSIVE MOVMENT” don’t take my word or anyones word, do your own “due diligence.”

    The Nazi’s used The Enemy of my enemy is my friend, that is until the usefulness of said group was of no value anylonger.

    So Lybia, has had its current leader from 1969 to 2011, so whats changed in the last number of months?
    Thats the questions you all need to be asking?

    What will happen if that noted leader is still alive after this alledged intervention?
    Thats question number 2.

    Let me be 100% clear; The “Progressive Movement” is the
    “NEW WORLD ORDER.”
    A “ONE WOLRD GOVERNMENT” where the population will need to be totaly controled, as well reduced to a size that allows such control.

    Wake UP people. If you were driving on the Highway you would be reading the signs. Wake Up as many as you can.

    • Eddie47d

      The New World Order at least in theory has been around for a mighty long time. Under Democrat and Republican administrations where they have both welded power. Each side has accused the other of being the elitists and want to control the world. Your constant blaming progressives/liberals for a problem which shows no boundary no matter who is in power leaves me to believe you are once again ignoring your own advice about the left right issue. Since conservative businessmen control most of the world’s wealth it would seem they are trying to influence events and domination. The liberals like Soros have their influence also but as a whole he is in the minority (although rising). Republicans have spent years trying to get rid of Qaddafi and now that a Democrat has come along to steal your thunder you want to be shy about it. Now I don’t like Qaddafi or this newest war because it is not our business. I am also baffled why most Americans support this war effort (no-fly zone)yet don’t have a grip on what is going to happen if Qaddafi isn’t ousted. Most Americans don’t like bullies but end up becoming bullies themselves (no clear mission).

      • Thamera

        “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.”
        Thomas Jefferson

        • Americanfirst

          That’s why he is a great man..

      • TIME

        BuffOoNo 47 DUH, If you had a clue, but saddly your as dumb as a box of rocks so a clue will never be in your cards.
        Thus concludes my response to yet one more of your mindless post.

        I will now rename you, BUFFOoNO 47Duh, as thats the sum of your IQ.

        • Eddie47d

          Go back to your fence dancing Time and your ignorant rebuttal to mine. Flip Flop, Flip Flop!

    • kilrntex

      Have you ever noticed how the left/dems/progs/libs always point fingers to the repubs/conservatives/right/TP’s and mention Hitler and the Nazi’s? Funny how they look in the mirror and call the rightwingers what they see in the mirror. Only the names have changed to incriminate the innocent!

      • Eddie47d

        That’s odd for it was Time who brought up the nazi’s which makes your post …Well odd!

  • 45caliber

    I have to agree with Rand Paul. We have no reason to be shooting anything into Libya. Let them rot in their own juices.

    • kilrntex

      Yeah, send AK’s and AR’s with ammo in there on these million dollar rockets and keep them supplied until they fall silent. Ragheads just want to kill and they don’t care who. If we aren’t around they will kill each other. It’s always been like that and always will! They hate us because we interfere with that process and try to make them civil.

  • http://personalliberty Confoundmeoncebut nottwotimes

    As long as we have the three main right-wing )Village Idiots mcccain,Guili,and Lindsey barking at B.Obama.. As loudly as they Backed bush up for eight years while he was guiding this country over the cliff ) we, the People Have Nothing more to be concerned about for We are going to wind up… with Idiots like them digging that hole for us, all the way to China.( all that is needed..if even That..is one more tiny push (war) to do the trick. ) What say you to That, America ? While there may yet be an America to mention. OWO ? Chinas`, That`s WHOoo Se. To be Stupid once is excusable, but to stay Stupid in face of Facts..is not alright. Wake up, People..Obama IS part of this wrong Equation. He lied his Way in..Now it is Time he is OUT.Lies And All..and take all the bush cronies with him.

  • David

    Obama, our 44% Arab president, never did get congressional approval for his unconstitutional war. He has become a dictator…The reason Obama and Soros are setting the Middle East and Africa on fire is so that they get rid of the secular Muslims (like Gadhafi) and replace them with real Jihadists, like the al-Qaeda “rebels” in Libya. They want the Arab nations to unite and fight a final Jihad against Israel (Psalm 83)…Unfortunately for them, the Israelis will annihilate the Arab nations like Jordan and Syria but not Iran and Libya. The Aswan Dam will be nuked, flooding Cairo with radioactive water and making Egypt uninhabited for forty years (Ezekiel 29).

    • S.C.Murf

      But then it will be Russia and China’s turn

      up the hill
      airborne

  • WayneT

    I hold Congress responsible for all of our ills of today. This includes higher gasoline prices, groceries prices, health care, high unemployment rate, and everything else that is currently wrong with this countries economy. Anyone with common sense should realize this too. Starting with oil, we should have started drilling for oil back in the 70′s when we had basically the same problem as is going on now. Here we are, 35 to 40 years later, and we are all in the same boat as in the 70′s, with the exception we do not currently have a shortage of oil. Oil is the key to our economy. Our high prices on everything we consume, or use, energy bills, asphalt, plastics, transportaion, our food, and hundreds of other items that we use (which we take for granted) are made from oil bi-products. Congress has made it so difficult on drilling for our own oil in this country that we have to import the biggest percentage of it from OPEC Muslim Countries).Do you think OPEC gives a hoot about you, and your family. I don’t think so!!!! With all the taxes on corporations, and other businesses, they have left this country to set up shop in other countries, thereby giving away the technoogy that we had spent so many years on in developing, to these other nations. Where is the common sense here? Congress is not for the average American Family, Congress is for themselves. Unless we can educate the folks in this country to vote against these freeloader we call Congress, I feel that we will never return from this dismal economy. It will only go down hill from here, unless the people wakes up and see how their respective Congress Member is voting on, or against, bills that will hurt all of us. Take the CFL light bulbs for example. Congress passed a law in 2007 that requires us to buy all our mercury laden ligh bulbs from China beginning in 2014. Can anyone explain to me how this will help us? I just read last week in the paper that GE will be closing their last light bulb plant in Va. this year, laying off nearly 2000 workers. How many other things are happening like this that we do not know about? Why did the people vote in Charlie Raangel’s back in when he is a tax cheat? These are the things that is going to ruin our nation. It is hard to find honest people in Congress, and even in our court system. Why would anyone want this thing to happen? Folks there are a lot of things happening in our crooked Congress. I am talking about both, Democrats & Republicans, that you will never know about unless you pick yours out, follow them, and see how they are voting. Our only solution is to watch your representative very, very closely. Vote out the ones giving pork, and passing all the stupid regulation that hurts our growth. We need to vote out at least 75 percent of our Senators and around 50 percent of the House Members, along with this president in 2012 if we are ever going to see this country prosper, and hold their feet to the fire. Like Lincoln, I hold these truth to be self evident. Plase vote you conscious in 2012.

  • Thamera

    Couldn’t agree more Wayne. Our freedoms have slowly been chipped away for decades now. It is not unlike the analogy of the frog who gets boiled to death because the temperature of the pot of water was raised slowly, one increment at a time. Collapse does not come suddenly, it is subtle, one freedom at a time…chip, chip, chip until just like the frog, we are dead, our nation collapsed and are freedoms eroded. Case in point and just one teeny, weeny, small example: A result of Obamacare and the health reform that was just passed. I can no longer buy over the counter meds like Excedrin on my medical flex account. Thanks to “health reform” (lmao) I now have to get a prescription for any OTC that I would like to purchase. Anyone care to tell me how that helps anyone????

    • WayneT

      Thamera, all we can do is hope & pray that we can get the electorate educated, if that is possible, by 2012. Hopefully they will vote with their heads, after carefully examining their respective Congress Members voting record. Twice over the past few years, a bill was proposed to let us buy our prescripton drugs from Canada at 30 to 50 percent cheaper than what we could buy it in our own country. Well! it failed both failed. I have to assume that the drug companies paid some one off in Congress for not passing it. We can, and do, get our food products, from China, Mexico, and a lot of other countries, but you do not hear Congrsss saying, oh no! we can’t let you buy food products from these foreign countries, since we cannot guarantee the safty. Does this make any sense to anyone? If so, explain it to me so I can understand it. It does not make any sense, period. It just goes to show you that Congress is benefiting from not allowing you to buy your precripton meds from Canada. It is just the opposite of what I explained in my first message; that is forcing us to buy CFL mercury laden light bulbs from China. I believe some one high in Congress has receievd a pay off for passing this law. The Democrats were in power when the CFL light bulb law passed. Could it have been Nancy Pelosi, or Harry Reid that was for passing this bill forcing us to buy the bulbs from China? I would trust Canada a lot further than I would these other countries we are getting our food products from. Please, I am confused, help me understand this?

  • Raggs

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/03/29/obese-ohio-man-fused-chair-sat-2-years/

    This man after voting for obaba decided that he would not need to work any longer so he sat on his arse.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Raggs,
      My wife said THANKS! She got home late and just got done eating. When I said keeripes! she asked me to read it!!! Turned her stomach a little!!

  • 45caliber

    I’m not surprised critics are confused. I doubt if even Oblama knows why we went into Libya. His boss probably didn’t tell him.

    • WayneT

      Why has all this uprising in the Middle East started only two years after Obama becomes president???? Something sounds fishy to me!!!!

    • Raggs

      obaba’s boss… Yeah I have heard about him ever since I was a child…

  • http://com i41

    Wayne, you nailed it to the truth post. Ask any Congress slub that was in office of some elected office since the 70′s, and all dems will quote the same s–t as facts on USA not having any crude oil stocks in reserve. As my Granddad said when LBJ was in office, democrats couldn’t tell the truth is you paid them to. Since most Congress persons are elected lawyers who study ways to screw anyone they are supposed to work for. Now as for food and drugs coming from Canada, my sisterinlaw that is a doctor in ND, says they get alot of Doctors that come to the USDA to practice. The doctors say The drugs coming in are n’t as consistant as drugs in the USA, same as some generitic meds that are supposed to be the same, they aren’t you take the risk, I have know 3 people that orodered a heart drug that was created in Canada, they got several shipments direct from Can. then had some bad side effects. The USA doctor kept him the same meds but used drugs tested in the USA, and all have been on with out any problems for 2 decades. As for food, they still us drugs on livestock that was outlawed over 28 years a go. It will not show up because all organ meat is rmoved and will not send up a red flag, if testing muscle tissue. But Canada is still way more safer as for food than any other country, but Canada will not let USA producers of grain ship north since their governemnt direct supplement grain prices but controlls every famers amount they can sell. So their excess is dumped on USA, and we ship crude oil up to Canada to refine and give up over 25% charge which they sell back to us at an inflated price. All of our BSE cases aree animals that have been brought down here from Canada, and caused several countries to not purchase our products, but these same countries purchased Canadian products. What did our Congress and all the food agancies do, nothing but talk more regulation on animal producers and inflict more costs. Now the USDA is planning on phasing out hot brand ID ing any livestock which has worked for decades to some more government controlled plan. It is a way for only certain mega corporations like Wal-Mart and one of the 4 slaughter plants can control sales and own the products from the birth to the plate, it is called vertical intergration. As chicken, fruits, vegatables, pork, and pretty much everything you eat, wear, spend, drive or read is government owned or approved. So I hope people and the idoits wake up.

    • WayneT

      i41, I am glad you straightened me out on the Canadian Drugs. I have alway been under the opinion that most of these drugs were shipped to Canada from the United States at a deep discount due to the Canadian government health care, and then sold back to the folks in the U. S. I stand corrected. Thank you.

  • Raggs

    I doubt IF there has been any thought to what obaba is really doing.

    He is keeping America confused on purpose… The division within out weights his agenda throughout…

  • Dr. Mabuse

    Three things come to my mind in regards to this situation:
    1. Rule of law

    2. The War Powers Act

    3. The Constitution

    Everyone on this site is wise enough to fill in the blanks for themselves.

    • Raggs

      1. Rule of law.. Nonexistent

      2. The war powers act.. A legal act of the declaration of war by an otherwise illegal means to abtain a conflict.

      3. The constitution.. Who the hell ever heard of such a thing.

      Am I even close by the obaba standards?

  • MtnMan

    Who is going to send weapons to us when we rebel against Hussain Obama. Notice I didn’t say ” if ” . I said when.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com/conservative-politics/flunking-liberty/?eiid&rmid=2011_03_31_PLA_%5BP11806743%5D&rrid=394279717&replytocom=402681#respond cregets

      Probly the UN of China, n other nations that are for NWO…the premise will be maybe American citizins killing American citizens… Just like if we took a stand against illeagels…they would assist them to fight for “there” rights…not ours.

  • http://personalliberty Confoundmeoncebut nottwotimes

    MtnMan, to answer your question ” Who will send weapons to us, or assist us when we rebel against Obama?”… Absolutely no country Is going to Assist the Citizens of this US of A.! ( We are considered to be Part of the whole Problem O.B. has going for himself. That is how we are viewed. After all, Didn`t we ( Enough of us Americans ) Elect him into the Office of President ? Doesn`t matter to the rest of the world that we had Nothing to chose from that “”Sounded’ better than the Wretched Bush. ( We Were expected to exert Better Judgement,and then, to act accordingly. But That being ‘ neither here nor there’ at this Point…We Have to face the facts as they Are..and climb out of this Hole he is digging deeper every day that passes…All by ourselves. Consider an alternative To Obama, but do it Quickly. Before more Damage is Done that is Intent to Bring this Country Down even further…And to a point of being more easily Maneuvered And controlled. Think !Agree or not, A Change is Sorely needed..( Not the one B.O. iiiiihad as his agenta..the one he kept well hidden until he Got Elected ! Fool me once….

  • AustinAndy

    The alarming number of riots and social unrest occurring at about the same time is now just happenstance. There has to be groundwork and planning to create such a groundswell of activity. It may well be that the Egyptian protests and final outcome were in fact engineered by the President and his close advisers, and there may in fact be even more social unrest in other Islamic nations. If George Soros is indeed behind much of the planning for the unrest in an attempt to profit from currency manipulation, helped by this administration’s executive branch is true, it would be very unsettling. Members of the President’s inner circle were coordinating with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt just a few short months before the protests began. Then this president’s view of the capitalist system and the role of the United States and Europe in world affairs are directly reflective of the unrest and may better explain his “dithering” or lack of response to events.

  • AustinAndy

    correction, “not just happenstance”

  • jopa

    Where is Sarah Palins high school diploma??

    • skip

      But she has four or five or six community college certificate of attendance, doesn’t she?

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