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Critics Blast Obama Administration’s Decision To Read Terrorist Suspect His Miranda Rights

May 10, 2010 by  

Critics blast Obama administration's decision to read terrorist suspect his Miranda rightsRepublican leaders heavily criticized the Obama administration last week for allowing officials to read Faisal Shahzad his Miranda rights soon after he had been taken into custody for allegedly attempting to detonate a car bomb in Times Square over the weekend.

Senators John McCain (R-Ariz.), Christopher “Kit” Bond (R-Mo.) and Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) all conveyed their disappointment with the administration’s decision to not classify Shahzad as an enemy combatant, a move that would have allowed investigators to hold the suspect indefinitely, according to The New York Times.

Officials with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) said that Shahzad was originally interrogated under a public safety exemption, and was then read his Miranda rights soon after authorities determined there was no imminent threat. Officials with the FBI said Shahzad provided them with "valuable intelligence and evidence" both before and after being advised of his rights.

In response to the incident, Lieberman announced on Wednesday that he will propose a bill that would strip alleged terrorists of their citizenship immediately after being detained, CBS.com reports. The senator indicated that he would attempt to amend a current law that revokes a person’s citizenship if they join a foreign army.
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  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    It was my understanding that he was an American citizen. If so, I disagree that he shouldn’t have been read his Miranda rights, nor that he should be stripped of his citizenship. If he was here illegally, I wouldn’t have any issues at all that he wouldn’t be treated as an American citizen. But, if he is an American citizen, his rights should not be stripped until he is proven guilty.

    • http://eachstateretaliate.blogspot.com/ Tea Party Tim

      All the reports that I have seen are saying that he is a US citizen. With that in mind he is afforded the right of a US citizen. This is a test of our patience, perservance and integrity and one that we can not afford to fail.

      We have to remember that if the government can take away the rights of one of us it can take the rights away from all of us.

      • Mike In MI

        That’s why Obama and his cohorts have not screamed bloody murder. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him advise that something of this nature would be a great idea in the “War on Terror”. Take away the citizenship rights of any and every one who disputes Obama’s agenda. Can you see cella, Am Lib, Eyes Wide Obama or ay of them saying anything but “Yes! Hoorah for Obama! He’ a genius t take conservatives’ rights.” Most of them have said as much at one time or another and about 1/3 of America agrees with them.

        Guys like Shazad (the Times Square car bomber) or illegal border jumpers should be read Miranda to protect Obama’s friends. But, American born, tax paying, military veteran, patriottic, Christian life-style citizens who criticize Obama’s government should be villified in the strongest terms and disenfranchised.

        Of course then he’d cite anyone who shows up at a Tea Party gathering, on a conservative blog, name on a conservative petition or what have you that advocates a return to good, honest, responsible government. If that causes your sphincters to twitch then they’ve already won the battle cause that’s the objective – fear. The traditional tactic of each and every despot that ever subjugated mankind…collapse money and debase everything of value to make everybody paupers, point out the “hate worthy groups”, demonize and collect all the weapons and then send out brown shirts at midnight.

        • Mike In MI

          Sorry, I made a mistake about Shazad. He’s a citizen; he should be Mirandized. I should have said, “guys like the Detroit-bound Christmas airplane bomber who aren’t U. S. citizens should never be Mirandized”. They ought to be thrown into the waters off New York City and allowed to swim until they meet their Mako…if Allah wants them.

    • Arcadia CA

      I agree with what Robin said. I’m no liberal, but if you disagree just consider how those same citizenship stripping laws might be used against you or me someday for the least provocation and to keep you living in fear given that former President Clinton has already called Tea Party protesters terrorists, and the last time I checked they are just people who espouse the beliefs of the founding fathers and have concern for the welfare of this country. The proposed law should scare you more than the terrorists. You’ve got to think ahead and stand up for what is right. I sympathize that the decisions are not easy. Freedom is messy business. As for the court system, I have no doubt Shahzad will get the death penalty in whatever court he is in, and I have faith in the system, but when I heard the story I did figure that going outside the military court system was an Obama decision to avoid having to be personally involved in signing the death sentence in a military court case as commander of the military.

      • nickwolf

        Nope! You don’t get to say that you espouse the beliefs of the founding fathers! George Washington was a founding father and he said ” This is not a tax created by a King, but by the Representive Government in Virginia ” It is the law of the land ” !
        Where by he put down the fake Tea Party slogan bearers rebellion ( The Whiskey Rebellion ) by using the Militia from another State ( Which the President is the head of..all militia’s)
        by point of bayonnet and canon! So no, you are not Patriots doing what the founding fathers wanted. You are Traterous, hate propogating, skum. No Americans bearing false witness against your neighbors….who elected President Obama with a popular majority.
        NO YOU CANNOT CLAIM THE WORDS FROM THE BOSTON TEA PARTY….NO YOU CAN’T CLAIM THE WORDS PATRIOTS….NO YOU ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE WISHES OF THE FOUNDING FATHERS…..THEY WOULD NOT SHOUT DOWN DEBATE IN A PUBLIC MEETING….THEY WOULD NOT SCARE WOMEN AND CHILDREN WITH A PATHETIC SHOW OF ARMS IN PUBLIC!

        REAL MEN, OUR FOUNDING FATHERS, ACTED REALLY THOUGHTFULL! YOU ARE NEITHER!
        END THIS PATHETIC TREASON! Debate your issues, win over my mind and I will vote for you….try to force your veiws only makes it clear that you are wrong! I will never join a t-baggers mob!
        WHY IS IT THAT YOU ONLY HAVE PATHETIC LIARS SPEAK AT YOUR MOB GATHERINGS…..AFRAID OF THE TRUTH?
        PALINS AFRAID, BOCKMAN’S AFRAID, BECK’S AFRAID, LIMPBALLS IS AFRAID……AFRAID OF THE TRUTH SO THEY NEVER DEBATE…..THEY WOULD BE FOUND OUT FOR THE PROPOAGANDISTS, SELF SERVING, MONEY RUTTING, ANTI AMERICAN, ANTI JESUS FOOLS THAT THEY ARE!
        DEBATE OR DIE! TEA BUMS!

        • Kurier Radek

          nickwolf,

          Take a deep breath, hold…release. Repeat. Now, don’t you feel much better?

          Oh, and by the way, I believe those who align themselves with the Tea Party movement’s beliefs: fiscal responsibility, limited government, free market capitalism, individual liberties, personal responsibility, and our rule of law…the Constitution (you know those foundational priniciples that builit this country and make it unique in the world) have already been “designated” by this current regime as possible “terrorist”, “anarchist”, “anti-government”, “violent”, “right-wing extremist”. So there you have it…FREEDOM vs TYRANNY. Now, the next important step is being able to distinguish between the two.

          • nickwolf

            You can’t debate any of those words you just spouted, because you don’t understand them, you are afraid to debate them.
            You know that the last Republicrat you elected and put into total power, grew government, was not fically responsible (spent like prostitutes), made monopolies out of free capitalism, and shredded the Constitution and our Economy…..making the President more powerful ! So you would lose any debate, stand rebukked and none of your choices would or should ever be elected to office again! History and the truth…hurts…..you betcha!

          • Mike In MI

            Hey nickedwolf -
            Are you one of the people Obama sent out to infiltrate conservative sites and lie like you did above, turning the issues upside down and making black white and right wrong? Nick, why have huge percentages of people who voted for Obama now hate the day of their poll booth stupidity? Why are Obama’s poll numbers so low? – on EVERY POLL being taken. Why was what was oce worth $1.00 on worth 10 cents? Bush? if that’s what you think go to the top of this page and listen to the video with Barney Frank’s lovely farce on it. Maybe you haven’t heard that information on Obama approved news stations harping the uniform government propaganda line.
            Nick, you made your entry. Now, go back to Obama and collect your pay. As a government employee getting paid with TARP or Stimulus money it should be worth about $800.00 for fifteen minutes worth of work.

        • http://none Jeryl D

          Nick, Nick, Nick: All I see in your post is hatred, frustration and typical left wing rhetoric. You really need to get a life. Our Constitution is being shredded by the Obama Regime and the Dems on a daily basis. Hey, are you a member of a union? Or, are you some left wing activist? Get real. Oh, by the way, it’s pretty obvious to all that you are an Obama acolyte.

        • Tony

          Nickwolf I really hope your just trying to incite here. If not i will pray for you to become enlightened. All other leftists should tell Nick to stop writing here. He is not helping your cause. Oscambo IS NOT a Christian and is a sorry excuse of a father. Any man or woman who would take their young children to listen to the irreverent racist Wright should have those said children taken away from them, and surly not be influencing ANYONE else children. Odumbo is a Muslim and a racist pure and simple.

    • american

      Terrorism is an act of war and he should be tried as a war criminal, not in a civil trial. I bet he’ll be let out in 6 months on good behavior then see if there isn’t another attempt. Because we all know it would be racial profiling if you follow up on the comings and goings of criminals, it might hurt their feelings

      • american

        Obama authorized the miranda rights be read? Then by all means, listen to a coke snorting prez, that’s much better than listening to one that drinks a beer. We all know cocaine and cigarettes make for us finally having a “healthy” president, unlike that other guy who ran everyday. Surely this was well thought out, first a member of NAMBLA(North American Man Boy Love Association) appointed to be in charge of our schools, now this. What next? Will this guy be aquitted and put in charge of our National Security?

        • nickwolf

          Bush did Coke too!
          Stupid, only Bush took!

      • nickwolf

        Grow up! No terrorist who has been convicted is ever getting out of jail! The federal court is the place where 190 cases have already been tried! Only 3 cases have been tried by Military panel and those came out dreadfully. So stop your bull about the federal court system and stop your bull about interogation…leave it to the professionals! Fearmonger torturers get nothing, make things worse on our Country, our fight and our young soldiers. You are pathetic wrong thinking fearfilled cowards! Miranda does not stop anything! Except in the movies!

    • nickwolf

      So this termite wants to give the Government the power to ” Strip someones Citizenship away quickly ” ???
      What drug do you take that would make your brain freeze like that? First….It can’t be done…..under the Constitution! etc
      Second…It should never be done…except in certain circumstances!

  • An American

    Too many Bleading Hearts. Kill the SOB.

    • del

      I agree.

    • http://personalliberty PFFFF

      Why have any laws…so the ignorant lynch mob can’t do away with it at THEIR pleasure. If an American was detained in a foreign country would you also want them to “Kill that SOB?”

      • John

        PFFFFFFFFF

        That’s exactly what they would do if the American comitted the same crime.

        • http://personalliberty PFFFF

          Act, don’t react! See the difference?

  • David

    Reading a person their constitutional rights, after questioning under the public safety exception,

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    I am far cry from a bleeding heart liberal. However, I think the laws we have in place are there for a reason. I don’t have any sympathy or empathy for those who break our laws. We must find a way to screen those who seek to do harm to our country BEFORE they become American citizens. AFTER they have become American citizens really complicates the matter.

    • Ron O.

      That’s a good point Robin. BUT, first we have to recognize that this war we are fighting is nothing like WW II nor Korea. Like Viet Nam, there are no defined battle fronts. Your local air port, your shopping center, the football stadium can all be the new battle front with this new enemy that does indeed, embed themselves in our society and then strike when the time is right to remind us that we are not safe anymore. Fortunately, we do know what they look like, where they come from and sure as hell what their religious preference is. That’s why we have to profile. Screw the ACLU and all of the people that think these people have the same rights as NORMAL God fearing American citizens do. The only reason these jihadist seek citizenship is to use our own Constitution and our own governmental system against us for their protection and benefit. Anytime an individual sets out to cause death and injury on a massive scale to the American citizens, this should be considered an act of terrorism and an act of war and should be dealt with as such. That individual should be captured, placed under military arrest and treated as an enemy combatant by our nations military courts system. Their handling should NOT be under any civilian court. It is NOT a civilian matter, it is matter where the individual has attacked the innocent people of this country just as sure as the Japanese attacked the people of this country at Pearl Harbor. Let’s get that straight right now. You don’t grant rights to the enemies of your country when you know damn good and well that the individual is an enemy of your country even if he HAS been granted citizenship. Look at them for who and what they really are at heart and treat them as such. Strip them of anything and everything they have and turn them over to the military to deal with as a military prisoner of war. That is the ONLY way to deal with these animals. Give them their “fair” trial and then execute them.

      • jsin

        what religion was tim mcveigh?

        • Mike In MI

          What did they do to HIM?

    • american

      This is way I am glad that Arizona decided to ENFORCE the existing laws, but we shouldn’t have to go through paperwork to enforce the laws already in existence.

      • ron

        HERE HERE At least Az has the balls to follow through and enforce a law that is already on the books of 35 other states…..come on people do you know that the rancher killed last year was only trying to keep the illeagals off his ranch and they shot that poor USA man.
        We are becoming too soft as a nation. There are thousands of sleeper ceels here in the USA already just waiting for their orders from there handlers. Don’t be fooled Obama clown is a muslim and he wants to destroy this country the very country we all love…… the man is a liar his HOPE is nothing but HYPE look at the last three senator races they all voted out the Dems the dems/libs have been in control long enough. BO will not make a second term as the pres he had a chance to make a difference but he is trying to destroy this country with his soc/communist way of life he will fade away and history will remember him as the most destructive president next to Carter this great country has ever had. It is a tribute to the USA people like you and me that IN SPIT of BO we will get through this mess and once again rise up to be the best country in the world. May God bless the USA. I have no hatred in my heart I only want the best for the USA…God help us all…PS BTW where are all the shovel ready jobs BO campaigned on. He never once campaigned on obamacare or did you all forget that?????

        • Mike In MI

          His friends are using shovels to transfer the money from our pockets to theirs. That’s what Obama meant by “shovel ready”.

          The other great use Obama has for shovels is moving fecal mater around the WH and esecialy the Offal Orofice.

  • David

    Reading a person his or her constitutional rights, after questioning under the public safety exception,IS REQUIRED BY LAW. There is no discretion here. Are the law and order, constitutional principled, “conservatives/Republicans” now suggesting the government should act in a lawless fashion? Oh, that’s right. When you were in power you illegal invaded Iraq killing thousand of American citizens and innocent civilians, illegally wiretapped American citizens (a felony under the FISA Law) illegally tortured, and continuously lied to the American people. Well, at least you’re consistent.

    We are a nation of laws, and under our democratic system, unlike totalitarian systems, THE ENDS MUST NEVER JUSTIFY THE MEANS. WHEN THEY DO, WE CEASE BEING A DEMOCRACY!

    We are against torture, so we don’t torture. We are against violations of the law, so we try not to break the law. The alternative to this is mob rule. And nobody, but the lunatic fringe, wants that.

    • http://eachstateretaliate.blogspot.com/ Tea Party Tim

      I agree we are a nation of laws. However, that make us a Reuplic not a Democracy.

      • american

        Bravo, glad to see someone knows the difference.

      • David

        We are a democratic republic.

      • nickwolf

        We are a Democratic Republic. Democraticly elected, not appointed, Representatives run the Republic. The Bill of Rights made us the most progressive nation on Earth. (at that time)

        p.s. learn to spell “Republic”

        p.p.s. Tea Baggers arn’t terrorists…their just morbidly stupid, non debating, bigots….easily led corporate sheep…Ponyboys for the rich!

        Someday they will have to Debate…or die if they think they have enouth people to be called a party!

        • http://none Jeryl D

          Nick, people make mistakes when they type. For instance, when you finished up you misspelled “arn’t,” it’s “aren’t” and “enouth,” it’s “enough.” Yet, I’m sure those were simply type o’s. But, people that live in glass houses surely shouldn’t throw rocks. While I’m not a Tea Party member, I do agree with the vast majority of their conclusions. And, I’m not ignorant (two advanced degrees), and I’m a rational human being who can see the socialist poison being forced down our throats by a Hitler wannabee who calls himself our President. You are obviously a product of our leftist educational system who hasn’t learned to think for himself.

          • Mike In MI

            JerylD -
            The way this guy -nicked- writes and what he writes makes me think he’s probably one of the Obamalites sent out to infiltrate, infest and try to fence the junta’s propaganda line. Either that or he’s one of Bawdy Phwangue’s houseboys.

    • Ron O.

      David, you’ve lost sight of the real picture here. You do not grant citizen’s rights to individuals who performs such attacks on the citizens of our country. This was an act of an individual whose belief system has made us their enemy and thus is an act of war, not a civil matter to begin with. You can read the miranda to whoever you want that is being arrested for anything from a DUI to a homicide, but not to an enemy combatant of our people. Get that straight. This piece of crap was trying to kill innocent Americans just like those SOB’s did when they flew passenger jets loaded with innocent people into the Twin Towers. It doesn’t matter if they “slipped through the cracks” and were granted citizenship. They are not us and will never be us. They are the enemy of our country and our way of life. Our civilian laws are for us as American citizens. When we recognize that someone who is living in our country really isn’t one of us, we should deal with them as such. In this case, turn him over to the military as a prisoner of war and an enemy of the American people, which he is.

      • David

        All persons in our country who commit crimes are given Miranda warnings. The law requires it, citizen or not.

      • Mike In MI

        Ron O – David is right, Ron. If some representative of the govenment came up to me, a U. S. bred and born citizen/military vet, and told me I was suspected of committing a crime and he has come to arrest me the prosecutor would hear about it at trial if he didn’t read me my Miranda rights. I have a feeling you would want it too.
        Like it or not, ShObamazad is a citizen – Taliban trained, financed, assisted, mosquerader and radicalized. But unless the judge declares such evidence inadmissable he gets tried on those things on his day in New York City court. That will be what Obama wants – maybe the bomb wasn’t a misfire after all. Just an Obama hire screwball.

    • american

      I have no problem reading a legal American citizen their rights. Our ancesters DIED for that right! Not an illegal unwilling to obey our laws, or a terrorist trying to kill us! And by the way, we are a Democratic Republic not a Democracy! Go back to your history book and look up the difference.

  • bteach

    You need to send “THE ENDS MUST NEVER JUSTIFY THE MEANS….” quote to President Obama.

    • David

      No, President Obama knows it, and has required the US to operate within the law, both domestic and international, since day one of his administration.You have to send that message to the Bush/Cheney crowd who, because they were asleep on guard duty when 9/11 hit, panicked and overreacted.

      • Mike In MI

        Observe the laws, my butt. How many did he break in passing BOMB’R’CARE and how many does he want to take in the same bastardized act? He doesn’t believein laws unless he rites them. It’s part of his “fundamentally chaining America”. He doesn’t believe in laws;he goes – like all Progressives – by statutory decisions which are laws made by judges at the time of trial.

  • del

    David reading someone their rights is a privilege for citizens of this great nation. How about illegals or foreigners as a whole? Do you think they should have the same right?

    • David

      All persons accused of a crime in our country, citizen or not, will be advised of their rights. It’s the law, and until it is changed, all government officials are obligated to obey. In the NYC attempted bomber case, how did reading him his Miranda warnings hurt the government’s case? It hasn’t. He is still talking and giving very valuable information. And remember, he was questioned first without Miranda warnings under the public safety rule exception.

      Let’s see this “political” nonsense for what it is. The Republicans, out of power (And McCain desperately fighting for his political life against an extreme right wing who never agreed with Miranda rights in the first place)are trying to say and do anything to get back in power. That don’t even agree with the self-serving political rhetoric they are using now. How do I know this? Because when the conservative/Republicans were in power, THEY GAVE MIRANDA WARNING!

    • David

      Del
      Constitutional rights are not privileges. If they were, they would be called constitutional privileges. The fourth, fifth and sixth amendments, for instance, are not “technicalities” as the right often claims. The are the very heart and soul of what our entire system is about. They should be understood, appreciated, and defended by all of us against political con artists.

      For years Limbaugh railed against the fifth amendment. He said, “innocent people don’t need to take the 5th and be silent.” Then what happened? He got into illegal drug abuse problems and the first thing he did was “take advantage of his 5th amendment right to silence.” Interesting isn’t it, he’s not bashing the 5th amendment anymore. Another con man hurting our country while he makes millions.

  • Laura Schlegel

    The Miranda Rights basically is a warning to the arrested suspect. This allows US to use anything the arrested suspect (citizen or not) says, against them in a court of law, otherwise whatever the arrested suspect says, isn’t permissible in a court of law.

    • http://eachstateretaliate.blogspot.com/ Tea Party Tim

      That is exactly correct and had they failed to be read and evidence that they obtained would be dismissed in court if they had not been read.

    • JLC

      Addendum: Neither the Miranda Decision, not the Fifth Amendment makes any distinction as to citizenship. Miranda merely states that the suspect must be advised as to his rights and that all statements obtained AFTER having been “Read his Rights” may be used against him/her in a court of law.

  • s c

    So do we get two dog-and-pony shows instead of one?
    It’s not easy to tell if Owhoever confuses law with entertainment. This could be an emerging form of bread and circuses, folks. If it’s put on national TV (why not?), then perhaps Ohopeandchange could compensate for his mainstream media whores having such low ratings.
    Anyway, it will all come out in the wash, so to speak. I’m just glad that Otransparentethics is so concerned about the many rights of terrorists – as opposed to the rights of Americans. One must always have one’s priorities straight.

  • http://www.readwhatisee.com P Alfonso

    Don’t be fooled on this issue for tomorrow someone considered a terrorist could be nothing more than a Tea Partier.
    Just read articles and see how they are trying to label those who attend Tea Parties as possible right wing extremist terrorist.
    In the essence of Liberty a U.S. citizen should never be denied the Miranda rights, otherwise what we have is the absence of Liberty.

  • http://DAANDREWS@IENDEAVOR.COM DELORES ANDREWS

    WHY??

  • http://DAANDREWS@IENDEAVOR.COM DELORES ANDREWS

    IF A TERROIST IS FOUND GUILTY IN A MILITARY COURT AND SENTENCED TO DEATH THAT OBAMA WOULD HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THE ORDER. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT ONE MUSLUM IS NOT TO KILL ANOTHER ONE. IS THIS WHY HE WANTS THEM TO BE TRIED IN CIVILIAN COURT?

    • Ron O.

      Sounds like you’ve done your homework, Delores.

    • american

      Sounds plausible, like something that was considered.

    • nickwolf

      Obama is a Christian!
      Your a liar!
      How about a little bet? I’ll give you ten to one odds with a minimum bet of one million dollars ( no maximum ) that I can prove he’s a Christian, born in the United States, ….in a Court of law.

      Put up or shut your piehole ….maggot!

      • Mike In MI

        Is that how he just happenned to be in Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years? Wright’s coven is as much a Christian church as a gang of nude druids circling a pentagram in a sylvan glade at full moon on all hallows even. If he could sit there for 20 years Obama’s like the place they laid Jesus Christ for three days and three nights – hollow, sullen, morbid, empty darkness.

    • David

      No it’s not.

    • JLC

      Interesting question, Delores! I hadn’t looked at that aspect.

  • Greg

    That wortless —- zebar needs to resign and move his black ass back to Kenya where he came from. Do you think those terroist would give you any rights before they beheaded you. They don’t know of the word RIGHTS. I can’t wait till Nov. than I can’t wait to vote that black S.O.B. out of office. He’s NO AMERICAN!!!!!

    • jsin

      ive seen his bith certificate

      • jsin

        why kenya? If george soros wanted to put in a puppet president, our how ever the stupid conspiracy goes, if they went through all this trouble to forge a bith certifacte why would the give him such an effed up name? why not john smith or something easy. Perpetuating stupid conspiracies does nothing to reform anyt hing and is a huge waste of time and i cant believe ive wasted mine replying to your comment-god bless

      • american

        If he was not born in America he would have to have become a naturalized citizen since his mother was not old enough at the time to claim his residency for him. If she were, he could just get an American Birth Abroad birth certificate

      • american

        So why does his wife refer to Kenya as his “homeland”? His father was a sperm donor he met, what, when he was 10? If he was not born in America and did not become a naturalized citizen then he is not here legally, he knows that, he’s a lawyer. His mother was too young to claim his citizenship when he was born, you had to be 18 not 17. If she were old enough he would just have an American Birth Abroad birth cerificate

    • Dr Mabuse

      WTF is a Zebar?
      I know what Greg is.

    • nickwolf

      Ah, the termite Racist admits he’s a racist! And that my foul stinking kkk member, is hate speech! You are not safe in the majority of American places uttering that swil, remember real men don’t talk shit…they kick the crap out!

  • antonio caetano

    Senator Lieberman is a perfect reflection of crack pot extremists when he suggest that the mere detention of someone as a suspected terrorist result in their citizenship being pulled—and this man is a Senator of the US? Mr Lieberman would find a more comfortable bed for his ideas with the Iran administration. He sits there, one of the fat cats wallowing in all the wealth and benefits heaped on him by this wonderful country and then, burps,and makes such remarks. A revengeful person might suggest when Senators are no longer the Statesmen such as Goldwater and Dole, Kennedy and even Hatch, they should have their Senatorship status–immediately rendered VOID!
    antonio

    • jsin

      kind of makes you wonder about the two parties manipulating the populace to advance their hidden agenda, sacrificing more rights out of fear of a terrorist atack

  • Michelle

    While I disagree with most of what this administration is doing, if this terrorist is an American citizen then he deserves the same rights we all have. There still is the right to try him of treason, but only if he is a citizen. Under this administration, anyone opposing their policies could be deemed a terrorist – so we must protect all citizen’s rights.

    • jsin

      you know amy goodaman was arrested at the rnc?

      • jsin

        goodman- look it up

    • American liberal

      Michelle….the way the Patriot act is written all ANY ADMINISTRATION can have someone held as long as they want and all they have to do is accuse you of terrorism… No proof is nessessary , nothing….and it wasn’t the current administration that wrote this act….i’m as aginst the patriot act now as I was then… This act is unamerican …

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Wake-up America! Obama’s grandparents and parents on both sides were trained in Islam, going to Harvard, trained in Marxism, like Communist China’s “Mao,”(who made China Marxist by the way), our Obama, and now the latest Supreme court Justice soon to come(I wonder if Karl Marx also learned Marxism at Harvard)? It is about time for the world famous anti-messiah(Marx said Marxism is anti-messiah by the way)to come isn’t it because 2,000 years now is about over? Things are soon going to get terrifying for most! I just wonder who the “evil” empire is at the end??? Watch! PS: The Bible isn’t about Russia, China, etc., it’s about the real Israel(America and Great Britain(Joseph’s seed), but will include even Judah(not Joseph’s seed, but Israel’s seed)!

    • jsin

      who let glenn beck on here?

    • Sidewinder

      He’s as alarmist as Pres Bush was.

      Victor….We have whats known as religious freedom in America, and I couldn’t care less if Obama was a muslim. Its irrelevent. Bird Flu never became a Pandemic, and Victor wouldn’t know a fascist if he met one.

      People blind themselves somehow with the Bible. I hate to say that, its a good book. I just hate when people attach Crazy to it. In doing so, they turn a lot of people on the sidelines off to it. They wind up thinking, if thats what the Bible turns people into, I want no part of that. I’ve heard other people who sound like Victor say, the rest of us are serving Saten. But think about that for a minute…..

    • nickwolf

      Wow…a rattlesnake dancer…who can speak?
      Wow, quoting the bible?
      Wow….he should be President…except not of Harvard.
      Wow Harvard is a Marxist University?..it says that in the Bible?
      Wow … can I have some of the Drugs your on??
      Maybe I must have miss read the statements by Jesus that I follow!
      Wow …. and Ow!

      Come on kitty….here’s your Kool Aid! Next stop ….self castration…. then the ride on the really cool Space Ship up to
      Uranus!

    • American liberal

      Victor… What goes through you mind when it’s not busy being a nutcase ?

  • jsin

    hey victor, you know that feeling you get when i say its ok to burn the flag, that my friend is fascisim

  • jsin

    A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism key words-beligerent nationalisim

    • nickwolf

      What is that? It’s not a definition of even one City in America, let alone our whole Country!!

      Dismissed on it’s face!

      Bird droppings from a pseudo intelligence.

  • jsin

    and why do you have to drag the bible into this?

  • Dr Mabuse

    I doubt that any of you have read the Miranda case and the judge’s opinions that accompanied it. If you believe Shahzad is a piece of flotsam, you should see what Miranda perpetrated as a crime.
    Don’t get it twisted, I’m of the opinion that Shahzad, should be executed by the state, but after the due process of law has run its course. I also have extreme reservations about the language of the bills proposed by “Tail gunner” Joe Lieberman and his cronies. Have any of you read (and understood the implications) of The Belligerent Act? (McCain and Lieberman are the authors) What we find is a further extension of powers being concentrated in the Executive branch of government a la Pat 1 and 2, the Victory Act, (this act allows the government to confiscate your money, keep it and allows no forum for redress). Google Executive order – May 7 2007 and check out how GWB via Executive order virtually eliminated the checks and balances outlined by the founding fathers.
    Be careful what you ask for, (especially you Tea people) one day you
    might be designated as a “terrorist”.

  • jim

    If a US citizen takes up arms against his or her country it is treason, punishable by death. Mirandize him, give him a trial, KILL him. Simple.

  • JLC

    AFTER trial and conviction!

  • WarriorH

    It’s becoming more obvious and clear that people who are discrediting the Tea Party movement are overcome with fear that the era of the goose that laid the golden egg may be drawing to a close. Entitlements are going to take a hit so your only option may be to acquire a skill that will allow you to earn an income. Good luck.

    • Mike In MI

      Warrior -
      Is there a school somewhere that they teach – not just a skill – but, pride in a job well done and a will to work goes with the diploma?

  • chuck b

    gr. mabuse

    you say you want this guy to be given the death penalty with all due process of law. that due process in some cases go on forever, or should he go in the same length of time timothy mcviegh did?? there’s no doubt of his conviction.

    • Dr. Mabuse

      Chuck B.

      Each legal case is different. I think what you’re referring to is the length of the appeal process. I’m not for an indeterminate amount of time to exhaust the appeal process. In point of fact, the time of the appeal process can be truncated so that after conviction, a defendant (with a capital murder charge as well as terrorism, treason and sedition) can be executed within 12 months. I hope this answers your question

  • Jim Wright

    This was n American citizen arrested on American Soil. He should have been read his rights.

  • http://gmail i41

    chuch b, mcveigh was a white male, radical government powers wanted to tie him to the republicans, even tough he was a dem. I think if the courts had followed their standrad procedure, Tim should have lived on death row for a decade or two, but there was a danger he would link the dems to something in this case, or with Ruby ridge foul up, on that we know Clinton appointed Lil Janet, so he didn’t get taken down!!!

  • American liberal

    This administration did what should do ….follow the law….and he should be tried in New York city…the last Administration stomped allover the constitution , Bill of Rights , our laws and international law….it may seem wrong to treat a prisoner with humanity but it makes us better people when we do… Bush /Chaney shamed our country..

  • simple

    If you fail to learn history, you allow history to repeat itself.

    Everyone here has fallen for the divisiveness of both parties. R or D, they are the same. I love how this always goes back as far as Bush, meaning, none of you are learning from history, especially nickwolf. Real men know what’s right, and know what is wrong. You despise Bush/Cheney, but are OK with Obama doing the exact same thing. There is a website miller.org, you can read every inaugural address every president has given. You can read every SOTU address. Which is what I advise you to do. At some point, the politics, whether religious divisiveness, economic divisiveness, and social divisiveness, have all been used to keep the sheep in line, and that is you nickwolf.

    Yes, nickwolf, you are a sheep. For all your ranting about the incapability of a tea partiers’ debate, which, I guarantee you could not debate for 30 seconds before espousing ridiculous political claims or profanity. You can’t see further than your parties “D”.

    Once everyone begins to realize you are pawns for both parties, then they will realize that the tea party stands with a little “r”. A republic, with small government, limited spending based on the 17 enumerated rights, with equal justice and liberty for all.

    Watch what happens in Greece, because we are now going to provide the IMF with 170 BILLION dollars. Hey nickwolf, do you know how much of that is your responsibility/liability? Or are you a tax recipient?

    • Mike In MI

      Hey, Simple – Well done. But, no, I don’t think after reading nikedwolf’s monsterpieces that he’s anything higher than a Bawney Phwanque houpheboy.

  • dxechkn

    Simple,

    You’ve got it exactly right. Nickwolf is scared and has no other way or the intelligence to debate like a civilized person. He spews hate like that because that’s what animals like him do when backed into a corner. when will the sheep lean that their “messiah” is leading them down the primrose path to destruction. the big O is an ardent follower of Saul Alinsky, a piece of Marxist scum that dedicated his book to Lucifer. How in the world can Obama claim to be a Christian after aligning himself with the seditious views of a warped mind like Alinsky’s? The man said the first way to destroy a country is to undermine its economy. Isn’t that what BO’s doing?

  • http://personalliberty PFFFF

    Undermine the economy?…that started with GWB

    • Mike In MI

      PFFFFFFFFFF – Darn….Close, but…..no cigar (- unless you want one left around from that Lewinski girl in the blue dress. Who knows maybe you want the dress to wear after dark for your boyfriend.)

      The old accurate type (before the revisions) history books show it really got going with Wilson. If you only know the books post the revisions I gues you’ll never get beyond going GWB, GWB, gwb, wwww for the rest of your days…too bad. We know you aren’t going to read anything you aren’t assigned.

  • http://www.radiantlife.me beverly

    The point really is…If you come to the U.S. and obtain citizenship just to embed yourself as a sleeper agent, then yes, you should have citizenship revoked…along with your skin (stripped from you). You should not have been given citizenship in the first place had people in charge been on the ball in knowing who you are, instead of fast-tracking your citizenship. I am also sick and tired of all of the bleeding heart typed here…that is their liberal education coming out!! This is just another instance of the liberal mental disease. Why else would one begin to blabber about someone’s ‘hard times’, or their ‘mental state’ as an excuse to kill people? While we are at killing the perpetrators, kill off the bleeping bleeding hts too so we can move on and have some simularity of sanity again.

  • del

    You got that right. The bleeding hearts are the enemy here. Get rid of them and everyone else will run back home.

  • http://eachstateretaliate.blogspot.com/ Tea Party Tim

    I agree that it would be far better to fix the problem (imigration) than to clean up afterwards. Unfortunately, that is not where we are in this case. In order to bring a case to strip someone of US citizenship, it would still require that their rights be read to them.

  • nickwolf

    The only cure for dumbass unintelligent,Republicrats … was invented by Progressive scientists….in the 17th Century.
    Public Dunking was a very popular penalty for numbnuts like fake Tea baggers. All anti American Speech is not wrong, but hate mongering, racist speech is! So get ready were building the dunking machines and bringing them to the next town hall meeting where you hope to shout Grandma down when she tries to speak! Men don’t have to shout…they kick ass!

  • http://personalliberty PFFFF

    You think? Think again!

  • Marilyn

    Shahzad has no legal rights. He lost those rights when he tried to blow up a section of New York City and kill thousands of people! He is proven out of court to be a terrorist. He spilled his guts, with a little squeezing, so what was he promised if he told on his fellow terrorists? If the US judicial system doesn’t hang him, his “buddies” will. Plans to blow up areas of the United States and infiltrate America by Muslims is not an over-night decision. Plans are in the making sometimes for years. No Miranda Rights for any known terrorist. That’s my vote.

  • del

    How do you possible think that. What or who do you think is protecting illegals or criminals? It is the bleeding hearts.

  • http://none Jeryl D

    Well, Nick, you’re the one doing the “yelling.” So, what does that make you? By your own words: not a man.

  • Mike In MI

    I thought all liberals and progressives were absolutely against any kind of torture? Public humiliation…cruel and unusual punishment…waterboarding(? public dunking is basically the same as waterboarding, isn’t it?)
    There you have it people…total mindlessness on the progressive side. On one hand they listen to the official line and heartily concuc that’s the only right view of issues. Then they spin on a dime in an instant to advocate a little different form of exatly the same thing they claimed an hour ago to despise. Madness, pure madness.

    They are just like the Hebrews at the time of Jesus Christ. One minute they were waving palm fronds and crying, “Hosanna”. The next minute, on the basis of their religious leaders’ perfidious proclamation they started screaming,”Crucify, crucify.” Libs say they want good things and right things to be done. But, when it comes to time for action they turn to the Dark side and destroy who or what is needed to get them beyond their concurrent distresses.

  • http://personalliberty PFFFF

    Still unwilling to think,tsk.

  • Mike In MI

    Oh, and yeah , “real men don’t have to shout – they kick ass…” Yeah, like the Democrat appointed union gangsters who attacked and sent that negro Tea Party member to the hospital last summer when he came to listen at a democrat townhall. In Hitler’s germany they were called Brown Shirts (Hitlers private army). Oh, did you see Judge Napolitano reporting on Herr Obama’s 6,000 member private army last week. That’s right, all of them separate from the regular army, special regalia and weapons, etc. I wonder if Obama will call them “The Hopeandchange Guard” or “The Hopeinchains Guard” or “The Revolutionary Guard” or “The Yerassismine, Mutha’s”

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