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Crime Statistics Debunk Gun Opponents’ Claims, CCRKBA Says

May 27, 2010 by  

Crime statistics debunk gun opponents' claims, CCRKBA says Despite gun opponents’ warnings that easier access to guns leads to escalating violence, the most recent statistics from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) suggest that crime in the United States dropped dramatically in 2009.

Preliminary data from the Uniform Crime Report shows that the violent crime rate went down 5.5 percent nationwide in 2009. This covers all four categories of violent crime: murder, robbery, aggravated assault and forcible rape. Violent crime went down 4 percent in metropolitan counties and 3 percent elsewhere, according to the FBI.

This has prompted gun rights organizations, such as the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA), to point out that these positive trends are taking place despite the evidence—also cited by the FBI—that gun and ammunition purchases are up.

"There are more guns in private hands than ever before, yet crime rates have declined…this means that gun prohibitionists have been consistently wrong," said CCRKBA chairman Alan Gottlieb.

He added that these data suggest that "America should turn its back on the gun prohibition lobby and their insidious policy of victim disarmament."

According to media reports, the decline has continued for the third straight year, and this year’s drops were steeper than those registered in 2007 and 2008, despite the recession.
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  • J.M.R.

    they don’t want the americans to be able to defend themselves from the liberal scum thats taking our country from under us.

    • American liberal

      Jmr… It’s ignorant people like you that shouldn’t be allowed to own a weapon… You’re very clearly an unstable person …

      • CJ

        Am Lib. NOW you’re a THERAPIST? You can assess a person’s state by one sentence? Wow! By the way you consistantly post here with unsubstantiated accusations, I’d say YOU are the one who needs help. It is said those who repeat the same acts expecting different results are acting insainly. You seem to fit that definition. If you would post SOME logical positions once and a while, with some reasonable suggestions to improve situations, maybe people wouldn’t resent your comments here, because all you do is stirr up animosity by regurgitating propaganda form the liberal play book. You seem not to have any viable input to this board.

        • john

          Well,CJ I wonder which playbook your vomiting propaganda from? Obviously not the spellchecker one. I also was duly unimpressed with all the viable input and reasonable suggestions to improve situations that you apparently forget to recommend. Maybe you were too busy not allowing someone to exercise their first amendment rights?

          • Steve

            So sad john that you espouse your first amendment right, but fail to realize that as soon as the 2nd amendment is gone, then ALL your rights including the “first amendment” will soon follow. Why is it that liberals don’t understand this?

          • James

            Steve, Our rights are not dependent on any document, they are inalienable. Rights existed before the federal government was created and the Bill of Rights was added to the U.S. Constitution. The Bill of Rights is restrictions the states and the people placed upon the federal government. It starts with “Congress shall make no law…” and so forth. The Ninth Amendment says this restrictive theme applies to all rights whether enumerated therein or not, and the Tenth Amendment reminds Congress that powers not delegated to them, such as over the just mentioned rights, are reserved to the states and people.

          • http://www.horsepowerforcars.com Steve

            James,
            then why is it that so many law abiding citizens across the country are denied their unalienable right to own a gun?

            And what about these bills, that if passed will deny us our unalienable right to own some types of weapons, and maybe none at all?

            H.R. 2159 (King of New York, Rangel, McCarthy, et al.): This bill would allow Eric Holder to declare any person a “prohibited person” (revoke licenses of, etc.) if he “suspects” that individual of aiding terrorism. Given recent disclosures that the government regards pro-lifers, pro-gun advocates, veterans, and other conservatives as potential terrorists, this has to be regarded with some alarm. This is particularly true because Holder is specifically authorized by the bill to withhold information concerning the basis for putting conservatives on his “enemies list

            H.R. 2324 (Castle, McCarthy, et al.): This bill is a reincarnation of the year-after-year effort to effectively ban gun shows by allowing them to be regulated and inspected to an unlimited extent. In addition, any gun show sponsor would be subject to up to two years in prison if he failed to notify every single attendee of his responsibilities under the Brady Law.

            H.R. 2401 (McCarthy): This bill is a reincarnation of legislation to make “prohibited persons” of everyone on an administration “terrorist watch list.” Suffice it to say that:

            Senate:
            SB 941 (Crapo, Leahy): This is the Senate counterpart to H.R. 2296
            The bill would allow BATFE to impose, for the first time, civil penalties on federal firearms licensees. Civil penalties could easily put a small licensee out of business, but can be imposed without the burden of proof, disclosure requirements, and other protections accorded criminal defendants.

            SB 1317 (Lautenberg): This bill would allow the Attorney General to deny the purchase of a firearm pursuant to an Instantcheck (or a permit which would allow a person to by-pass the Instantcheck) if he “suspect[s]” that the person has been engaged in conduct “related to terrorism” and the Attorney General has a “reasonable belief” that the firearm might be used in connection with terrorism. The Attorney General is specifically permitted to withhold any information concerning his “reasonable belief.” Take into consideration, in evaluating the application of this bill, that DHS in 2009 circulated an advisory attempting to link mainline Second Amendment and pro-life groups to “terrorism”

      • Randy

        A.L. is spouting idiocy again. (no big surprise here.) People arm themselves to protect themselves from criminals and governments provided it is possible to discern a difference between the two. The best we can hope for from libs in power is a blundering administrative despotism. The cure for that is political process. The worst we can expect from empowered liberals is yet another industrialized murder machine like those liberal regimes that slaughtered 143 million people over the last 100 years or so. Guns in the hands of the public is the preventative medicine for that. Since A.L. fails to address this means he somehow managed to stay happily ignorant of the bloody toll of gun prohibition or, more likely, secretly longs for an environment conducive to the murder of those who dissent from his views.

        • Average Joe

          It’s his shift…..some people will do anything for a buck….

      • Greg

        In the 20th Century alone, more than 100 million people were exterminated by socialist regimes. The one thing they ALL had in common was that one of their first tasks was to disarm the people. Only after that was done did the murder begin in earnest. Our Founding Fathers knew how tyrannical a government could become and their purpose for allowing and even encouraging the ownership of firearms was largely so that the people could defend themselves from such a government. The gun grabbers just don’t understand the truth of gun restriction which has been shown time and again around the world: More restriction = more violent crime. Less restriction = less violent crime. After the UK and Australia adopted handgun bans violent crime increased. Switzerland has the highest per capita gun ownership in the world and is one of the safest places anywhere. The facts speak for themselves, yet delusional libs like AL still don’t get it.

      • Richard N

        American Liberal, I just wish you could see the bumper sticker on my car “Teddy Kennedy’s car has killed more people than my guns”. Only problem you would refuse to read it, just like your kind refuse to look at anything that disproves your liberal BS that you people spout.

      • JeffH

        Am Lib…you’ve been taking a “severe beating” recently and I see you’re back for more although you must enjoy it with your continued ridicule and non-fact based comments.

        Lock and load and don’t forget to keep some powder dry!

      • JC

        Just more Liberal arrogance.

      • Randolph

        ROFLMAO

        American Liberal… are you arguing for or against J.M.R.s point? Seems to me you just proved his point! You don’t want him armed because he might resist you, and to that end, you brand him some kind of lunatic while you prove that the average liberal, if armed, is likely to shoot himself in the foot. I live alone, it is rare that I get to enjoy a really belly laugh. Thank you, American Liberal. It’s about time one of you sycophantic, narrow minded, holier than thou paragons of moral and intellectual displacement and misalignment liberals made my day with a real laugh. Thanks, man!

      • REB

        A.M. you sir are the most ignorant person I have never met and don’t
        care to. Its people like you who need to packup and leave this great country own your own or you can wait for the people like myself to escort your a– out of this country for you and do so with a big smile on our faces as we put a size 12 boot in the crack of your butt
        at the boarder… BYE.

    • fed-up

      If crime is down, it’s only because Washington isn’t leaving anything for the “private sector” criminals to steal.

    • Doug Rodrigues

      Your statment is basically correct. You are your first line of defense, NOT the police. With the Liberals in government, you as a citizen have been reduced to a number counted, instead of as a living breathing person. What the gun grabbers don’t realize (well, maybe some do) is that the Supreme Court had already made a decision about the Police not being required to provide you safety. The responsibility of the Police “is to bring criminals to Justice,” and nothing more. In other words, to investigate the crime to determine who the criminal was, and to proceed through the Justice System with that criminal…period. If the crime happens to you, the Police will usually be there, after the fact, to take the report and begin investigation. If you gave up the right to protect yourself, then that’s your problem.

      American Liberal sounds like the consumate gun grabber. What is a gun? It’s nothing more than a high speed projectile launcher that can be used for good, as well as bad. Some people fear guns. What they should fear are ciminals. The gun by itself is nothing but a tool for good or bad. Criminals will always have access to guns, especially the ones brought in from Mexico. Did you know that it only takes a couple of weeks to get a fully automatic AK-47 illegally brought in from Mexico? If you have the money, the criminals will sell you one! However, it’s so much easier for the gun grabbers to twist statistics and incite emotion about guns being “bad,” or that the people who want a gun to have something “wrong” with them. Interesting about those gun grabbers who occasionally are revealed to carry a gun for protection? Anti-gun politicans like Nancy Pelosi, Diane Fienstein, Barbara Boxer, Barny Frank, and more all have CCW’s. What hypocrites. I can only assume that they think their lives are worth more than yours?

      Such politicians know that in order to better control the public, disarming the citizens has to be done first….or as Nancy Pelosi was once reported to say, “Socialism cannot succeed unless we get the guns.” That statement seems to fit her personality and ideology. Especially in this present climate of over reaching politicians who function beyond the constraints and rules of the Constitution, the last thing any citizen should do is give up their guns! Who knows, perhaps one day you may need a gun to protect yourself from the corrupt politicians. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. You can trust the government no further than you can trust the average politician to do what is best for you, and that ain’t saying much. But what do I know…I was in Law Enforcement for only 14 years.

      • informer

        hr 2159 sounds real scary. The socialist march is on ! and it wont be long til we live in the world that hitler and others wanted to make. Obama is a dangerous man. and so are all his cronies

    • Hugh Jordin

      It’s the use of the word “scum” applied to anyone disagreeing.

      This sounds like a statement from a Taliban militant who hates anyone who is not a Muslim.

      Two sides of the same coin… no real difference… filled with hate and intolernce.

      Yes, one can glean a lot from one sentence.

      This is America, not Afghanistan, but it seems that there are some who would have it equally monolithic philosophically.

  • RbtShadow

    The biggest reason politicians and liberals do not want the populace to be armed is the same reason the forefathers put the second amendment in the Constitution DEFENSE AGAINST Confiscatory government. I believe anyone not having been convicted of a felony should be able to carry a LOADED gun concealed or in the open at any time.

  • Jess Webb

    I am a former cop. I was in a situation one night when I was working alone and found myself outnumbered and in more than a bit of trouble. A passing concerned citizen retrieved the shotgun from my patrol car and assisted me, probably saving me from bodyly harm or even death. I will never doubt the value of an armed public.

    • American liberal

      Jess… You mean your a cop and you left your police car door unlocked and your shotgun unlocked so any passing person could have come by and stolen the weapon or used it on you or another citizen?… I hope they fired you on the spot … That was a very stupid and dangerous act…. That’s what I’m talking about.. You were trained to be more responsible… Your shotgun was supposed to be secured… And you’re using this as a bragging point….?

      • JeffH

        Another well thought out rant…do you know all of the circumstances involved? Probably not! Like your favorite president, you choose to insert foot before you have all of the facts, something you’re quite good at!

        • john

          I seem to remember Bush ,and later on Palin being fairly adept at the open mouth, insert foot way of speaking.

          • JeffH

            …then you shuld fully understand my comment to Am Lib is well founded…

      • George Halepis

        What exactly is it that you’re talking about? I didn’t get the impression that the officer was bragging about anything. What does something that one police officer did have to do with victim disarmament?

      • JC

        Oh You were There AmLib? You know the urgency of the situation that was at hand? You know all the circumstances?

        Without a doubt you are a bastion of liberal arrogance and ignorance.
        It’s bigoted morons like you who have tied the hands of the courts, law enforcement and border patrol.
        We totally need to rid ourselves of the cancerous scum that is so very well represented by…you.

        • Steve

          Typical for the anti-American liberal. Opens up his ten gallon pie hole and immediately stuffs both his equally big effin feet in it. lol some thing just never change. I wonder if he sits up all night so he can be the first to spew his ignorance every time a new article comes out.
          I will say one good thing about him. He has done more to show the ignorance of the liberals thinking and ideals, and has crapped all over his own party a lot better than we could ever do. For that, I thank him ;-)

          • JC

            He does seem to fill that function very nicely ;)

  • Al Sieber

    The second amendment protects us from a tyrannical govt. that we now have. we give up our fire arms and it’s over for us. Hillary Clinton already signed the U.N. small arms treaty, and this president lied and said he wasn’t gonna touch the 2nd amend. and he goes behind our back and does it anyways. these people running this country are traitors, and should be removed from office.

    • fed-up

      Finally, someone who understands the word traitor and whom our present traitors are! Fifty years ago, this could have NEVER have happened in OUR government! It all started with the removal of prayer from our schools, Under God from our Pledge of Allegiance, and the formation of the ACLU (American Criminal Liberties Union)!

    • JeffH

      Al Sieber, thanks for bringing that up.
      EVERYONE INTERESTED SHOULD SIGN THE National Association for Gun Rights petition against “The UN’s “Small Arms Treaty”.

      To my United States Senators:

      Whereas: The Obama Administration just announced they would be working with the United Nations to pass a new “Small Arms Treaty;” and

      Whereas: The UN’s “Small Arms Treaty” is nothing more than a massive GLOBAL gun control scheme, designed to register, ban and CONFISCATE firearms from law-abiding citizens; and

      Whereas: The new treaty will likely be designed to FORCE national governments to enact tougher licensing requirements, making law-abiding citizens cut through even more bureaucratic red tape just to buy a firearm legally; and

      Whereas: The United Nation’s “Small Arms Treaty” would also likely ban the trade, sale and private ownership of ALL semi-automatic weapons; and

      Whereas: The ratification of this treaty would also likely create an international gun registry, setting the stage for full-scale gun confiscation;

      Therefore: I urge you to vote AGAINST ratification of the UN’s “Small Arms Treaty.”
      http://www.nagr.org/UNpetition1.aspx?pid=3

      • JLC

        JeffH — I have already signed and submitted it. I’d like to do it again, but it only gets counted once. Besides, if I did, AL would accuse me of stuffing the ballot box LOL.

        • JeffH

          JLC, how would he know? LOL

          • Al Sieber

            JeffH, thanks for the link, I signed it last week but, lost the link.

  • paul smith

    The left leaning liberal element has long struggled to keep everyone beholding to the the feds and local governments as caretakers and providers of all things necessary and those who own guns tend to be more independant, able to think amd provide for themselves therfore making it “rain on their parade”. More than anything else there appears to be the mentality of, we have to keep them under our thumb, we can’t let them start thinking and doing form themselves or we lose control. Sad to say but freedom loving, generous Americans are being put upon from all sides, beginning with our own government,then foreign governments and nationals. Wake up Americans pay attention to trends in our government and other world governments, they tend to foretell the future. WE can make the difference in all levels of government at the ballot box, be there and vote.

  • American liberal

    Who’s taking your guns?… Nobody… Stop acting hysterical…you rightys are the most unhappy paranoid people on this planet….everytime the people who make guns want to fill their pockets up with more cash they put out some unfounded rumor that someone what’s your Guns…..I’m probley own mire guns than most of you…. Nobodys has even ask me about my weapons…I went through the government background checks like everyone should… So now I own them.. Their safely stored…guns are for responsible people… And I have no problem with a background check… You wouldn’t want guns in the hands of mentally ill people or convicted felons anti government radicals … You shouldn’t be able to just walk into any store or gun show and walkout with a weapon … That’s it…I support the 2nd amendment …and no a private citizen doesn’t need a tank, hand granades or machine guns…protection and hunting… I don’t hunt .. I do my hunting at the market…if you need a weapon in your home to feel safe then good.. But these idiots feel the need to wear a gun to walk down the street are whackos ..

    • Jeep

      AL, it is true that the current administration has made no overt “threats” to gun owners, in fact, there has been a regional softening on restrictions and purchasing. There may or may not be any future plans to change this. But, vigilance against a number of hefty anti-gun lobbying and diverse entities such as the NAACP, AMA, NOW, LOWV, NEA, et al is essential as their influence on a left leaning administration is well known. Once the oil spill, the Sestak cover up, Memorial Day Weekend, etc. are behind them there is a general feeling on the right that gun control is on the list somewhere. As for restrictions, so what if I want to file down the sear on my MAC-10 and make it fully automatic? Is it truly any more dangerous? Probably not, as it makes it hard to hit the broad side of a barn!

    • Al Sieber

      Apparently you don’t know about Hillary signing the U.N. small arms treaty? or are you gonna choose to ignore it like all the other violations this administration is guilty of. you sound like a good little “commie” Amer. Lib. the only guns you probably have is squirt guns.

      • TIME

        Al,
        Nano wit the resident ding bat has spoken and afterall who are we to question his massive amount of knoledge ~ all garnered from a Bubble Gum wrapper.

        Yea – that GE News network as in Msn, NBC, Msnbc, AP, and others really makes up some good old Gumbo Stories.
        Did you read the one about the new Paint ball Guns we will be able to own. Yea, you can own the paint balls but the gun well it could poke out an eye so you can’t have that.

        Oh and yes the crime is now far less its now all “WHITE COLLAR Crime” and comfined to the DC belt way, its now called the {Madoff Theory.}

        Make a law and Madoff with all your money and its all legal too.
        Its kinda like shake and bake and our congress and senate helped!
        Lets not forget our specail little Hilly Da Pilly for good measure.

        • Al Sieber

          Time, paint ball guns? I know you’re not kidding. what state would that be that outlaws paint ball guns?

          • JeffH

            Al…maybe a little sarcasm in Time’s comment…yeah?…

    • Richard N

      Hey dumb-o-crap would you like to put your money where your mouth is with that statement that you probably own more guns than anyone on here? And learn to spell it! And I guess I’m one of those whackos running around with a gun all the time, or maybe I live in Texas where the goverment trusts the people. And the second amendment is just as important now as it was in 1776. The founding Fathers said those rights were given us by our creator, and as rebels against the rightfull ruler of America, the King of England, they intended for us to have the right and means to take back the government when they got too big for their britches. And if you really owned guns you would not be running your big mouth like that, like Rep Wilson yelled out to Pfres Obama, “You LIE”

      • john

        Hey Ricky boy, Funny, I don’t remember reading anywhere in the bible where God said “verily, thou shalt own firearms in abundance “

        • JeffH

          john…your point? I don’t see a referance to the bible…other than your own.

          • john

            Well, this forum is about gun ownership or non-ownership and Richard refers to the second amendment and the founding fathers saying that owning guns, among other rights, was given to us by a creator, I was just wondering that something of such importance, given by such a being, would invariably have been written down in some ancient text and the bible would have been a logical place to start. Unless, unbeknown to us, or anyone else, one of these gentlemen had a vision, or maybe been visited by this being and imparted to him these profound words of wisdom.

          • JeffH

            …like I said before, I saw no Bible referances…

    • JeffH

      American liberal, just for you…The UN “Small Arms Treaty” is an unacceptable infringment on my right to keep and bear arms!

      The globalists at the UN know that your gun rights are a major obstacle preventing them from seizing the worldwide oppressive power they crave.

      And the gun grabbers in the Obama administration are more than happy to advance the UN’s agenda.

      Will you let them destroy the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and subdue our nation under a global yoke of tyranny?

    • JeffH

      __________________________________________________
      Barack Obama’s gun control policy, or should I write anti-gun record is long and informative:

      * 1994 to 2001 – Obama was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation. This foundation is the largest funding source for radical anti-gun groups in the country.
      * 1996 – Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
      * 1999 – Obama proposed a 500 percent increase in the excise taxes on firearms and ammunition. This tax would effectively punish gun owners for buying guns and ammunition.
      * 2003 – Obama voted in support of legislation that would have banned privately owned hunting shotguns, target rifles and black powder rifles in Illinois.
      * 2004 – Obama voted against legislation intended to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion.

      • JeffH

        Obama’s Gun-Restriction Policy Playbook

        “The problem that progressives have on the gun issue has far less to do with the typical policies they espouse than the rhetoric they employ.” – The Third Way

        “It’s critical that progressives recognize that only an aggressive outreach strategy to gun owners will ensure that your opponent’s message about your gun record does not define your candidacy.” – The Third Way

        Those two instructions to so-called “progressive” political candidates explain Barack Obama’s camouflage of lies and deceptions that hide his consistent history as an aggressive proponent of virtually every aspect of gun control — from gun-owner licensing and universal firearms registration; to criminalizing private ownership of whole generic classes of now-lawful firearms; to what I call denial of civil liberty at local option.

        The bait-and-switch gimmick of employing rhetorical tricks to hide very real gun control agendas, and to create a fraudulent history to assure that “your gun record does not define your candidacy” are the central lessons offered in a political/propaganda playbook or script proffered by something called the Third Way.
        http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnSigler/2008/10/31/obamas_gun-restriction_policy_playbook

    • Voice of Reason

      “But these idiots feel the need to wear a gun to walk down the street are whackos ..”

      Yes, because the only time you’d EVER need to defend yourself with a firearm is in your OWN HOUSE RIGHT? That’s the only time huh? If you want to carry so you can protect yourself, family or other innocent civilians at any time or circumstance you are a “whacko” huh…. The 2nd ammendment doesn’t say “keep and bare arms only in your house.” I’m pretty sure that’s not what the founders intended.

      What a narrow minded and bafoonish comment.

    • airangel

      Am Lib, what good is a gun tucked safely away..most of the time I’m accosted is on the street or on hiking trails with my two little dogs. I don’t own a gun but am thinking about it, however I did borrow a friends once because there had been some rapes on a trail I like to take, the day I borrowed that gun was the day I would have been accosted and probably raped…all I did was grab the gun at my hip and these two men went on their way and I reported them. They were caught and I was unharmed…that is why I want to buy a gun and have it in plane sight for all ilk to see it and leave me alone! That’s why crime is down…if criminals know homes have guns, they are less likely to target those homes, if they know people have guns, they are less likely to cause trouble with those people…criminals go for the weak not the armed and able to shoot!

    • Steve

      anti-American Liberal;
      The way you continue to state that obama and his socialist, Marxist goons have no intention of taking gun ownership away from law abiding citizens has changed my mind about you. I now believe that you do know the score, and you approve, because NOBODY COULD BE SO IGNORANT TO NOT SEE THESE BILLS AS ANYTHING ELSE. Nobody could be that ignorant, not even you.

      The Disarming American Citizens Act — H.R. 2159 the so-called “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009″ allowing anti-gun Attorney General Eric Holder to revoke the Second Amendment rights of ANY American he chooses based on pure suspicion;

      A new so-called Assault Weapons Ban, targeting ALL semi-automatic rifles and shotguns — which, unlike the Clinton ban, will NEVER expire;

      H.R. 45, the Catch-All Obama Gun Control Bill, which would create a national gun registry, require a two-day waiting period, hike taxes on gun sales, federally ban ALL private firearms sales and FORCE you to take a written exam just to prove you’re fit to own a firearm;

      The U.N.’s Small Arms Treaty, which would confiscate and destroy ALL unauthorized civilian firearms and set the stage for INTERNATIONAL gun confiscation. Recently, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said, The United States is committed to actively pursuing a strong and robust [small-arms] treaty.

  • Paul Ringgenberg

    Let’s ask the family of Phoenix Police officer Travis Murphy, gunned down two days a go by a scum bag with a gun, if we’re safer…I wonder where all the stories are about how armed citizens stop crime…for everyone you can find, I’ll show you a dozen where guns contributed to a needlees crime or death…the crime rate went down for a number of complex reasons, I doubt you could prove more guns had anything to do with it. But it helps support your paranod delusions about how you are makeing us all safer with your guns…guns are for cowards, the delusional wimps who are afraid of their own shadows…most of us are just fine without guns, maybe it’s a karma thing, you know what goes around, comes around…oh wait, the Christians, say “As you sow, so shall you reap” I’m more afraid of nutcases like the militias than criminals

    • Jeep

      Paul, you are against owning guns…good for you. Yes, it is a shame that crimes are committed by criminals with guns every day. And, just yesterday an 80 yr old youngster in my neck of the woods shot and killed an intruder in his home. Yeah! Oh and did I mention the criminal had his own (stolen) gun and fired first. So, we could go back and forth with stories and tragedies. Live with your Karma, I think you are the coward. And, if you think your “karma” will protect your family, then okay. Good luck with that. And, btw, stories of people killed by guns makes national news, stories of guns protecting people do not.

    • American liberal

      Paul…. I agree that this countrys biggest threat comes from far right anti government nutcases….. Dumping millions and millions of guns on a society can’t be a good thing….I don’t want to end up like those 3rd world countrys where firing Ak 47′s into the air is commonplace….I’m for strick background checks and protecting the 2nd amendment…. Things have changed since the powder and ball musket days when the 2nd amendment was written… Everything needs to be reasonable and so does how we read the 2nd amendment in 2010… It doesn’t apply like it did in 1776…

      • Jeep

        AL, first you should include the far left anti-govt nut cases as well. Just to be fair. Or, will you choose to ignore ELF, FALN, and others may be less active, but are still out there. I also believe the Second Amendment is just as relevant today as ever. Other than the fact that the founders did not envision a large standing Army (no country had large Armies except in war back then) the other idea that is still prevelant today can be summed up better ny Thomas Jefferson, “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” And, “The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”

      • s c

        AnythingbutanAmerican Lib, put your IDEALS to the test. Let’s see what you’re made of, chum. If you have any INTEGRITY at all (do you?), then do that which ultraliberal progressives will make them a part of the human race. That is, put a HUGE sign in front of YOUR HOUSE (apartment, trailer, whatever) that says “I HATE THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I HATE GUNS. I RFUSE TO PROTECT MYSELF OR MY FAMILY. COME
        HERE AND TAKE WHAT YOU WANT. I WON’T CALL THE POLICE. I LOVE CRIMINALS.” OK, big boy. The ball is in your court. So WHEN can we expect you to do that? Are your knees starting to knock a bit? Having doubts about your cherished, lofty ideals?
        IF you can manage to put yourself to the test, we need to see a photo of it on this website.
        Now, do it, or shut the hell up and admit that you have NO ideals worth standing up for, Mack. If you live in a polulation center, I can guarantee you that your sign will atract a lot of attention, and
        you’ll soon learn how many criminals are around. By the way, how’s your HEALTH INSURANCE? Are you paid up? Check your insurance policies, too. ENJOY, AnythingbutanAmerican Lib!

      • Average Joe

        An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
        Robert A. Heinlein

        • JLC

          Good quote, Average Joe. Heinlein also said, “Keep your weapons and your pants where you can find them in the dark.”

          • john

            Wow, nothing like proving a point by quoting a science fiction writer.

          • JLC

            Why not? He was a sensible fellow. See if you can get hold of “The Notebooks of Lazarus Long.” Lots of good advice in it.

          • JeffH

            JLC, you’ll have to excuse john. As you can see he’s even short on wind.

          • JC

            As opposed to listening to john who writes nothing but childish gamesaying?
            I prefer the intelligence of the sci-fi writer who can string two thoughts together.
            Not to mention Heinlein was a great American and a veteran.
            Beats john and liberals in general all to hell doesn’t it?

    • Al Sieber

      I’m sure if you took the time to do the research you would find out how many times fire arms in the hands of citizens prevented crime. if you don’t think we should be able to defend ourselves from criminals, you should move to Russia with Amer. Lib.

      • JLC

        Al Sieber — A good place to start is with the “American Rifleman” magazine. It publishes a full page column every month titled “The Armed Citizen.”

        • JeffH

          JLC, always the first column I read when my new copy arrives.(American Hunter)

          • JC

            You and me both.

    • JeffH

      Paul Ringgenberg…let’s only speak about the threats on legal gun owners and not toss the illegally aquired guns and criminals into this discussion

      This is from a 1988 study
      Armed Citizens and Crime Control…
      Research by award-winning criminologist Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz reveals Americans use guns for self-defense as often as 2.5 million times a year–that’s three to five times more often than they are misused by criminals.
      BY PAUL H. BLACKMAN, Ph.D.

      More significantly, the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology invited Marvin Wolfgang to submit comments on the Kleck-Gertz study.5 The late Prof. Wolfgang was one of the most prominent criminologists in the world. His “round criticism” speaks for itself:

      “I am as strong a gun-control advocate as can be found among the criminologists in this country. If I were Mustapha Mond of Brave New World, I would eliminate all guns from the civilian population and maybe even from the police. I hate guns–ugly, nasty instruments designed to kill people . . . . What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz. The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator . . . . I have to admit my admiration for the care and caution expressed in this article and this research.

      “Can it be true that about two million instances occur each year in which a gun was used as a defensive measure against crime? It is hard to believe. Yet, it is hard to challenge the data collected. We do not have contrary evidence. The National Crime Victim Survey does not contravene this latest research . . . .

      “The Kleck and Gertz study impresses me for the caution the authors exercise and the elaborate nuances they examine methodologically. I do not like their conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology. They have tried earnestly to meet all objections in advance and have done exceedingly well.”
      http://www.nraila.org/media/misc/Blackman.htm

    • uSNpops

      Here in Washington we have lost 5 Police officers in the past year to bad guys carrying guns. But it wasn’t the guns that did the killing, it was the bad guys using guns. If you apply the same rationale that the liberals apply to guns to the automobile, we should ban automobiles. There are more people killed by automobiles in this country yearly than by firearms. So where are these bleeding hearts standing on this injustice. “Cars Kill People” Park your car and save a life!! Get Real Folks.

    • Steve

      Paul Ringgenberg,
      Your personal opinions are NOT factual and do not match statistics.
      You claim that you can show us facts to prove your rantings are true, but you fail to provide them. Until you do provide some statistics, and facts to back up your socialist rants you will not be considered credible.

  • American liberal

    I don’t believe the lower crime rate has anything to do with weapons…. Isn’t it possible that less crime is being committed… ?..

    • Jeep

      AL, it is interesting to note that generally speaking crime rates rise during economic downturns, but not this time. I would like to beleive it has something to do with the increase in gun sales.

      • uSNpops

        Listen to your local news every time there is a crime committed with a gun. Invariably here in Washington the suspect is described as Black, Hispanic or of asian descent. Not a Recist statement, “just the Facts Ma’am” Is it just here, or elsewhere in the country??

    • CJ

      Am Lib, maybe you need to take a course in economics. People respond to incentives. If the linkelyhood of a criminal being shot by someone carrying conceiled is good, they are less likely to do the crime. By the way, how’s that “secured” weapon of yours going to help in an emergency? You REALLY think you’ll have time to get it? Yea, thell the bad guy… “wait, I need five minutes to get my gun.” It is always better to be prepared for the worst, and it never happen, than to be wanting when that ONE time happens to you! You’ve obviously been blessed with never having a bad situation happen and dealing with the remorse later because you COULD have made a difference.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      American Liberal… Yes! Less crimes are being committed. Criminals do not know who is packing and who isn’t. And if they are even half smart they will know that gun buying and ammo buying is up since Obama took office. I guess there is one bright light out of this dark administration! More people are applying for carry permits, my 18 year old son being one of them! I intend to get one, too!

      You seem very apathetic to what is going on around you. I am not paranoid, but I will not be sitting on my hands either. I have told you this before, it is not right versus left, it is right versus wrong!

    • Doug Rodrigues

      If you would research the statistics on other than propaganda gun-grabber sites, you would discover that areas with relaxed gun laws have less crime. How do you explain that?

      • uSNpops

        Australia Banned gun ownership a few years ago, and their crime rate skyrocketed. England has a high crime rate. The saying goes when the good guys cannot own guns, the bad guys still will own guns to prey on the good guys.

    • JeffH

      Give us some facts rather than jibberish please?

    • JC

      What you believe is irrelevant. The stats speak for themselves.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      AMERICAN LIBERAL,ITS OK TO BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU WANT,QUESTION? DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE EASTER RABBIT TOO OR SANTA CLAUS ALSO, WHAT YOU BELIEVE DOSENT COME CLOSE TO THE THRUTH, IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE STUFF YOU POST GO TO A STATE PRISON AND SELL WHAT YOU BELIEVE TOO THEM, AND SPEND OF COUPLE OF DAYS WITH THEM INSIDE, YOU WILL TURN INTO THE BIGGEST ARMED CITIZEN ON YOUR BLOCK,THE POINT IS WHERE DO THESE PEOPLE COME FROM, SINCE AMERICANS HAVE WAKEN UP THESE THUGS REALLY ARE HAVING A HARD TIME BECAUSE EVERY DECENT PERSON IS TRIED OF THESE JERKS DOING AS THEY WISH AND ARE FED UP WITH MORONS ABRIGING THEIR 2ND AMEN. RIGHTS. AND NOONE EVER HAD ANYONE VOTE FOR GUN CONTROL IN ANY STATE IN THE NATION, SO I ASK THIS SIMPLE QUESTION,WHY WERENT THE CITIZENS OF THIS NATION ( THE NON CRIMINALS) HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE ON THIS NATIONALLY ,COULD IT BE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PUSHING THIS AGENDA ,JUST WANT ALL THE NATION AS UNARMED SHEEP SO WE WOULD CRY FOR MORE POLICE> A POLICE STATE WE BEGGED FOR,WELL I DONT TRUST ANY ONE THAT PUSHES THIS STUFF,WHY? SOUNDS LIKE TRAVELING SNAKE OIL SALESPERSON,YOU NEVER KNOW WHATS IN THE BOTTLE,AND NO I DONT BELIEVE IN THE EASTER BUNNY, ONLY IN 7.62x54R IT TELLS NO LIES.

    • informer

      American Lib. How could you possibly think up a stupid question like that? “Is it Possible that less crime is being committed” LOL I wonder what if any facts can be thought of as facts. Have you called the police? if you have, you might discover that they don’t want to take a report. each report is anaother statistic. Maybe crime is going down look at how many illegals are being deported! If people come in to this country illegal then they are criminals how many of these people are on the crime statistics? You must clean your own house before you can clean the house of yor neighbors.

    • Steve

      American liberal says:
      May 27, 2010 at 7:35 am

      I don’t believe the lower crime rate has anything to do with weapons…. Isn’t it possible that less crime is being committed… ?
      …………………………………………………………………………………………….
      Anti-American Liberal;

      WELL DUH!! Of course the crime rate has gone down because fewer crimes are being committed! What an ignorant question!

      The reason the crime rate has gone down is because gun sales are up. More people are starting to realize the police can’t protect them, and are starting to protect themselves and their property. The criminal element is aware of this and are more careful about who they choose to commit crimes against, and HOW OFTEN they want to put their lives on the line, because they don’t know who the easy targets are anymore.
      Could you see the gun in that old ladies purse before you tried to carjack her last week?

  • J.M.R.

    a.l. everytime you open your mouth it shows what an idiot you are h. clinton is laying ground work right now to put control of americans having guns into the control of this world order they[libs] want. and because of idiots like you we are in thes mess. its people like me who should stick up for americans to be armed. including myself

  • Jon from Minneapolis

    Evidently American Liberal has never heard of almost endless bills before congress or what the UN also proposes. There must not be any countries like Australia, England, Canada, Russia, and others that do ban guns and have huge restrictions on them. The holocaust must have never occurred, as all the Jews must have had guns. Places like Chicago, and California must be fictional. I guess there is always a place for liberals like you, as many people do live in a non reality based false sense of security. Maybe it is good people like you don’t want to carry guns, and prefer to be victims, as I would not want you trying to decide on when and how to use a gun. As a former Police Officer I think anyone who does not carry a gun is just accepting of the fact that they can become a victim at any moment of time.

    • American liberal

      The ” holocaust Lol.. You managed to insert that into the conversation?.. All I can say is it’s a goodthing your no longer a cop… Talk about fantasy…so produce the bill that says they’re taking your guns… Let’s see it?..

      • JeffH

        Your severe case of “Alinskyitis” has flared up again..take two aspirin, a cold shower and come back tomorrow with something other than biased rhetoric. Maybe some hard facts would do you well.

      • JC

        Just stay in your bubble AmLib. The information is out there all over the place. It’s just too much for you anyway.

  • American liberal

    Jmr… Your unstable…. Nobodys taking our guns… But you are a danger to society… So I hope they keep a close eye on you…. Your very angry and irrational …you should stay away from those Anti Ametican sites and seek help

    • JeffH

      Alinskyitis has many symptoms…here are just a few of the symptoms that you seem to display…

      rule# 5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.
      rule# 8. “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”

      and most importantly…
      rule# 7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time….”

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      WHAT! THE CRIMINAL SOCEITY.GET REAL AND GET A BRAIN.

  • Dean

    It’s going to take more imagination than some people have to counter this latest report.

  • American liberal

    The Bill Hillary was working on delt with international gun trafficking that drug dealers and terrorist might use…. Read the bill…. It has nothing to do with our 2nd amendment…. President Obama has no intention of taking your guns…. It’s only rightwing nutcases saying he is….and of course they says he’s also a superbeing sent here from a far distant planet to destroy the constitution and replace Jesus… It’s amazing the rightwing nutcases thatvseem attracted to these crazy articles like moths around a lone lightbulb

    • CJ

      Yea, the nut cases attracted are your likes. You do nothing but make enemies here with your unfounded rants. You take one small, unrelate account and make a claim it applies to the whole event. You are obviously a small person making judgement on others here. Classic move by somebody who’s wrong. We aren’t gullable enough to be moved by your distracting attacks. Real Americans don’t think like you, and that is why America will succeed. You have been drinking way too much of the Kool-ade!!

    • Al Sieber

      Amer. Lib., since it takes you 10- seconds to process a thought, there’s no way you can understand the U.N./ small arms treaty. it means you can lose your rights too. stop the Obama worship and do your research.

      • john

        As opposed to Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck worship. HAHAHAHA what a boob.

        • Al Sieber

          john, whats your point?

          • JeffH

            That’s just it, there is no point!

    • JeffH

      Am Lib…”One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other.”

      • john

        Angels and devils? If your going to have a conversation about something, at least keep it in the real world.

        • JeffH

          You’re excused…speaking of having conversations? That one was way over your head for you to understand…you might try to find an easier target…this one shoots back…

          • john

            I love it. You seem to be as well read as I am sarcastic. Personally I own six weapons and see no reason why anyone of sound mind and of legal age should not be able to purchase one legally. But the caveat I have to that is these people should not just randomly purchase a weapon because they can, but also have some sort of training and knowledge of the times of usage and penalties of misusing. Call me a little bit paranoid, but there are probably owners out there who know nothing of these. I’ve seen a slogan somewhere that says something like, ” I’m not so afraid of the bullet out there with my name on it, as I am with the one that’s marked random” (not exact)

          • JeffH

            john , congratulations on the six weapons.

            Now I have a problem with anti-gun people, that have zero knowledge, trying to tell me I can’t own one. I’m far less concerned about the bullet I don’t know about as I am about the anti-gunner, that hates guns, trying to deprive me of my inherent right to own a gun because they don’t believe in guns!

            After 44 years of safe gun ownership, I do know what I’m talking about.
            All arguements against legal gun ownership have been proven wrong, you know it and I know it!

          • JC

            I have several rifles, a couple of shotguns and some pistols, but I don’t own any weapons. When I use them for self defense, they’re still not weapons. They don’t become weapons until I use them aggressively, until they are used to commit murder or another crime.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      AMERICAN LIBERAL ,YOU POST LIKE ” MOTHS TO A LONE LIGHTBLUB, WELL YOU ARE LIKE A FLY WALKING ON GOOD FOOD,PLEASE SOMEONE ON THIS SITE GET A BIG CAN OF RAID,THE JERK IS DIRTYING THE SITE,WHAT YOU GIVE YOU GET FLY BOY.

  • Jon from Minneapolis

    American Liberal sounds like a real leftwing nut job. He is really not worth wasting time on.

    • CJ

      The small appearance of insects in my home isn’t worth my time, either. But, left unattended to and it grows into an unmanageable problem. It’s like raising your kids… they do something bad and you don’t correct them (because it wasn’t worth the time), they see it as permission to continue the bahavior. Small problems are easier to keep under control… just ask BP.

      • john

        That’s why all pundits, both sides, and all lobbyists should be gotten rid of.

    • john

      And yet you are!

  • American liberal

    Jon… Almost endless bills?… That effect our 2nd amendment and right to own arms?.. Name 1.. If their endless you should be able to name the bill, which state proposed it and when it passed… Take all the time you need..

    • JC

      Every bill to do with gun regulation since the 2nd amendment was written qualifies as an answer to your question. You’re probably bright enough to realize that it is more than a few.

  • American liberal

    Jon… Already backing off your claim of ” endless bill huh… Lol…, well, the offers still there if you want to back it up…. Name the bill, who proposed it and when it passed…

    • uSNpops

      Last year the DOD decided that all military brass was to be ground up rather than resold as surplus to bullet manufacturers for reloading. This nearly put bullet manufacturers out of business till it was changed a few months ago. My Brother in law is a Reloader and uses his brass over and over. For some reason there is an absense of primers on the market. Withour primers, you have no bullet. There is no reason given for this, but his suppliers cannot get primers.

      • JC

        Most everyone I know is stocking up, big time. that’s what happens when the anti gun morons get going…the exact opposite of what they intended.

    • JeffH

      Liberal legislators have declared war on law-abiding gun owners. As you read this, our current gun laws routinely result in the confiscation of property and prosecution and incarceration of law-abiding citizens for non-violent administrative violations.

      Proposed legislation is even worse.
      H.R. 2159 (King of New York, Rangel, McCarthy, et al.): This bill would allow Eric Holder to declare any person a “prohibited person” (revoke licenses of, etc.) if he “suspects” that individual of aiding terrorism. Given recent disclosures that the government regards pro-lifers, pro-gun advocates, veterans, and other conservatives as potential terrorists, this has to be regarded with some alarm. This is particularly true because Holder is specifically authorized by the bill to withhold information concerning the basis for putting conservatives on his “enemies list

      H.R. 2324 (Castle, McCarthy, et al.): This bill is a reincarnation of the year-after-year effort to effectively ban gun shows by allowing them to be regulated and inspected to an unlimited extent. In addition, any gun show sponsor would be subject to up to two years in prison if he failed to notify every single attendee of his responsibilities under the Brady Law.

      H.R. 2401 (McCarthy): This bill is a reincarnation of legislation to make “prohibited persons” of everyone on an administration “terrorist watch list.” Suffice it to say that:

      •there are virtually no guidelines to who can or can’t be placed on one of these lists, and they have prohibited boarding by people like Ted Kennedy;
      •it is impossible to find out why you are on the list and very difficult to get your name off

      Senate:
      S. 941 (Crapo, Leahy): This is the Senate counterpart to H.R. 2296
      The bill would allow BATFE to impose, for the first time, civil penalties on federal firearms licensees. Civil penalties could easily put a small licensee out of business, but can be imposed without the burden of proof, disclosure requirements, and other protections accorded criminal defendants.

      S. 1317 (Lautenberg): This bill would allow the Attorney General to deny the purchase of a firearm pursuant to an Instantcheck (or a permit which would allow a person to by-pass the Instantcheck) if he “suspect[s]” that the person has been engaged in conduct “related to terrorism” and the Attorney General has a “reasonable belief” that the firearm might be used in connection with terrorism. The Attorney General is specifically permitted to withhold any information concerning his “reasonable belief.” Take into consideration, in evaluating the application of this bill, that DHS in 2009 circulated an advisory attempting to link mainline Second Amendment and pro-life groups to “terrorism”

      Not even mentioning the weak Brady Campaign and NY Mayor Bloomberg’s MAIG and personally lobbying Obama’s support to ban all legal guns.

  • Jon from Minneapolis

    A.L. you are a provoking little lib. Most gun bills are taking away the right to purchase classes of guns. Kind of like the what happened in 1994, but you must not have heard of that. Like I said you are not worth it….. You should turn in your guns…..

    • JeffH

      Jon…Am Lib is well known in these circle for his liberal baiting…as Alinsky said:
      “The job then is getting the people to move, to act, to participate; in short, to develop and harness the necessary power to effectively conflict with the prevailing patterns and change them. When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an ‘agitator’ they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.”

  • J.M.R.

    jon theres no since wasting time with a.l. he’s a brian dead lib throught and through. he can’t seem to read through the lines of his commie buddies.the NRA has helped to stop the commies but they got liberal judges in place to push the anti gun laws throgh very soon

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    i wonder if the anti gunners were in service during a war ,maybe they were ones that ran at the frist shot fired.You can keep your change i will keep my guns.

  • Jim H.

    Last week in Chicago, where there is a hand gun ban, An off duty policeman was killed in a robbery attempt. His retired police officer father shot and killed one of the robbers and wounded another. He is a hero. Last night an 80 year old veteran of the Korean War shot and killed a home invader, there by protecting himself and his family. The Chicago police are still trying to decide whether or not to charge him for possessing an ILLEGAL firearm. A retired cop can have one but nobody else can? What’s so magical about cop? The man is a war veteran trained in the use of firearms as is the cop, What is the difference? I guess the 80 year old should have just let himself and his family get killed, instead of one of our criminals. Now he is being treated as a criminal.

  • American liberal

    You need to try.. Factcheck… Snoopes… Truthorfiction.com….. You people are reading and believing nutcase sites..it’s funny whatching how paranoid you people are…..I remember an old tune called” they’re coming to take me away”…it reminds me of you ” they’re coming to get us” types…. Gawd it must be terrible to live in such fear…theirs nothing at all that your aren’t paranoid about….let me remind you….. The constitution superceeds , Federal law, state law… You right to own a gun is protected… Although most of you shouldn’t be allowed just based on your mental health…. It takes me about 2 seconds to figureout the sites you believe to be truth are just private rightwing nutcase blogs… But the entertainment you provide is priceless…what horrible lives you live…

    • Ohyea55

      A.L. you state “Federal law, state law… You right to own a gun is protected” Then why is it illegal to own a handgun in chicago?

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      American Liberal… Why don’t you find a blog that suits you instead of all the insults you throw around on this one? You rant and everyone thinks you are the armpit of society for your lack of understanding as to what is happening around you. Poor guy… I do feel sorry for you…

      • john

        Watch out there, Robin, there’s also a first amendment too.

        • JeffH

          DUH!…and your point is?…nothing…

    • independant thinker

      One bill that would be considered anti-gun is HR-45.

      Obama said the only reason he was not introducing new gun control legislation at this time was the fact he did not have the votes to insure its passage. Feinstein and Pelosi said much the same thing with Feinstein adding the legislation would be introduced when she was ready. Holder has called for the re-institution of the ban on so called assault weapons (which is a ban on semi-auto rifles and shotguns not true assualt rifles). One of the New York senators has called for additional restrictions on firearms purchases.

    • George Halepis

      Have you heard of the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership [JPFO]? I think they would resent being called right-wing nut jobs.

    • uSNpops

      You need to read some history. Check it out and read why the Japanese force that attacked Pearl Harbor didn’t just head for San Francisco and invade the US proper. Something about an armed militia waiting for them I believe. And granted we are not an armed militia now, but should there ever be an invasion by arms, the more guns we have ready the better. At least that was part of the reasoning of the Founding fathers when they added the right to bear arms.

      • john

        Don’t forget, it also was 2,400 miles farther into enemy territory and they wouldn’t have had the fuel to get back.

        • JeffH

          …my my…you are just brilliant today…

    • JeffH

      say: “You need to try.. Factcheck… Snoopes… Truthorfiction.com…..”
      HAH!

  • J.M.R.

    hey a.l. when has this bunch of commies followed the constitution not once everything they done is behind closed doors or did you miss that part. not one of his clown commies were voted on or did you miss that to.

    • john

      Did you forget? None of George II or Reagan’s clown commies were voted in either and they both financially bankrupted the country.

  • WILLIAM

    The second admendment gives us a right to own a wepon,and if someone breakes into your home,and their is a trial it is better to be tried by 12 then carried by SIX—AMEN TO THAT.

    P.S. Keep your powder dry you may need it.

  • eddie47d

    Rich N.; 9:39am,Leave God out of the equation. Guns and the Constitution were made by man. I don’t think God even liked Cain for killing Abel.

    • uSNpops

      The constitution was written by people who believed our destiny was controlled by a higher authority than any on earth. So yes the constitution and our entire way of life is based on the premise that there is a God.

      • john

        Which one? Osiris, Vishnu, Odin, Zeus, Jupiter, Apotamkin, Buddha, Yemaya, etc. remember this a multi-cultural country(to most) and not everyone believes the same as you. Oh yeah, I think that that allah guy is in there somewhere too.

        • JeffH

          …nor do they believe the same as you…stalemate?

          • john

            Stalemate!

          • Steve

            john,
            you might want to read the Constitution before you come back and attempt to bull$hit us anymore. Your lack of knowledge and feeble attempts at spinning the facts make you look kind of…..
            a. pathetic
            b. ignorant
            c. moronic
            d. stupid
            e. All of the above

        • Bob Wire

          Just pick one John, they are all somewhat the same, it’s the people and the way they practice their faith where the big differences lies.

          Each “should draw” something for the process that’s suppose to makes them “better human being” ~ Define :”Better”

  • eddie47d

    Time;7:58;Go back to your plantation with your gibberish.

  • eddie47d

    S.C. As usual,American Lib already stated he owns guns,so your ranting was pointless. I know you can’t help it but at least try.

    • Steve

      Yeah eddie47dud,
      Anti-American stated that he owns guns, so that leaves us with one of two possibilities……..

      A. HE’S LYING!

      B. HE’S THE MOST IGNORANT GUN OWNER IN THE UNITED STATES!

  • eddie47d

    Every President ,Governor,Mayor,ect. get’s credit when crime is down or slammed when it goes up. No one on this site has given Obama that credit. So I guess your all having another Conservative moment? It could actually mean that Obama has this situation under control and you are showing your true colors. We’ll see!

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      eddie47d…
      you must have missed my post to American Liberal… Of course crime has went down. Decent, God-fearing Americans are buying up the guns and ammo. This means the criminals are unable to tell who is packing and who isn’t. The only thing that could tie Obama into this, is conservatives are concerned that his wacky leftists ideas will eventually infringe on our 2nd amendment right! This well could be the only bright spot in his whole term of office!

      • john

        God fearing gun toters???… Hmmmm- be careful there, you almost sound Islamic

        • JeffH

          …must be working the swingshift…

      • copper911

        I guess my question after reading this blog is “why does anyone bother to respond to the crap that A.L. spews?” No one is gonna change his mind about anything, no matter how logically you explain it to him! Besides he apparently thrives on the attention you give him. I believe we all have much more pertinent issues we can discuss and allow this dipstick to fade into obscurity just like is political party seems to be doing.

    • copper911

      Yo Eddie, I fail to see any issue where any credit could be given to Obama… oh yeah, he does deserve credit for the dramatic increase in the purchase of firearms since his inauguration, oh and I guess since that dramatic increase in firearms ownership just happens to coincide with the dramatic drop in violent crime, I suppose you could assign some credit to Barry Whatshisname. You wouldn’t happen to be related to A.L. by any chance? Shucks, let me enjoy my conservative moment, please, when your henchmen complete their agenda, I may not have any more such moments!!

    • JC

      I’ll give Obama credit for scaring half the country into buying millions of guns and billions of rounds of ammunition.
      Good Job Obama!
      Good to see you inspiring the country to become a nation of nearly 200 million armed Americans.
      And apparenlty the criminals have noticed the trend too.

  • uSNpops

    From the L. A. Times
    1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County (L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working
    for cash and not paying taxes This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working
    without a green card.
    2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
    3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
    4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose
    births were paid for by taxpayers.
    5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
    6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
    7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from
    south of the border.
    8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
    9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
    10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
    (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County .)

    (All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)

    Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare . Over 70% of the
    United States ‘ annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York )
    results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens

    • john

      You know that most of these stats were in place when Georgie was in office and I didn’t see him getting all upset about it. I wonder how many he got rid of………. none maybe.

      • Steve

        john;
        Blame Bush? Is that the best you can do? It’s May 2010, Bush is gone and has been for a while. Quit living in the past and get into the present. Besides Bush never wanted to give all the illegal aliens amnesty like your messiah Hussein O’Liar does. Get a clue dude.

        • Bob Wire

          Yea, 43 married a Hispanic, nice lady too, I was hoping 43 might address some of these issues before us ~ but he never did, it wasn’t my biggest disappointment. But I was hoping for insightful wisdom on this matter of immigration.

      • JC

        You’re right, Bush did a bad job on this. Now it’s time to clean house and Obama better get on board or get out of the way.

  • JeffH

    eddie and Am Lib must punch the same time clocks…never more than liberal banter…the horror of it all…

    • john

      As opposed to conservative blabbering?

      • JeffH

        john, my sincerest apologies for not including you in the mix.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Contradiction! If this were really true women would not have put in as President a person swearing to take away America’s rights to bear arms! Now, it’s time to pay the piper! Check that; I just walked down the street! Sorry!

  • 4gsltw

    “American liberal,” you only made your comment to “J.M.R.,” because you were upset that he or she was one more citizen you couldn’t rob or rape. It must really irk you that someone might shoot back when you try to perpetrate one of your crimes.

  • Al Sieber

    Here in the state of Arizona we have open carry, concealed carry with a permit, and our Governor recently signed a bill allowing you to carry concealed without a permit. it is your duty in the state of Ariz. to come to the aid of anyone (including police officers) being assaulted, robbed etc. its perfectly within your right to protect yourself and other people from criminals, even if you have to use deadly force. a Ariz. sheriff told me this after my friend was murdered. I will never be caught unarmed again. I don’t know how other states are. we have a large amount of illegal aliens here, and still coming here and we were told to arm ourselves by the law enforcement agencies here.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      HEY,AL SIEBER ANY CHANCE OF GETTING YOUR GOV.JAN BREWER TO RUN FOR GOVEROR IN CALIFORNIA,YOU FOLKS GOT ONE HECK OF A GREAT PUBLIC SERVANT, AND I WISH WE HAD HER,TO DRIVE ALL THE SCUMBAGS OUT. ME AND MINE ARE COMING THIS YEAR TO TAKE A VACTION,AND SPEND OUR MONEY. AND RELAX WHILE HUNTING.

    • JC

      I nominate Arizona as the most civilized, most American state.
      Jan Brewer for President!

      • Claire

        JC — This is one gal I would vote for in a heartbeat.

  • chuck b

    amer lib

    i’ll bet vince foster wishes bill and hillary had enacted that gun ban treaty she just signed. just think of the information she cheated us of.

  • Jim H.

    Chuck, Vince would have just been suicided some other way.

  • eddie47d

    Jeff H.or parrot: You always argue against youself. You always bring up you Alinsky “conspiracies”. Yet you do almost everything you say he advocates. You love agitating to the point of conflict,You ridicule as a weapon (#5),You keep pressure on with different tactics(#8). I think you have Alinskyitis.

    • JeffH

      No eddie…it’s called understanding the enemy and the tactics they use. Learn them well I say! Turnabout is fair play…is it not? If you want to participate, we all have to play by the same rules. True or false? If you can’t take the heat…get out of the kitchen!

  • Bruce

    American Lib, you’re an idiot. Pull your head out of your butthole. Just take the guns away from violent criminals and leave the self defenders alone.

  • eddie47d

    Jeffy,I know you are trying to bring more guns to a neighborhood store near you for you stated that in a previous column. Did you know that Howard Schultz (CEO) of Starbucks said “no one is aloud in any of his stores with a loaded weapon”. Said that in March yet gun owners took it upon themselves to contradict his policies. Talk about forcing a business to keytow to outside pressure. Naw, you wouldn’t do that.

    • JeffH

      fast eddie47d, Jeffy don’t play that game…been through that already…you know old news…try fishin’ at the lake, I think you might catch a few bottom feeders that’ll suck up the bait.

      If you wanna stir up the pot, you’ll have to do better than that!

  • Airangel

    Watch Out! Republican Peter King of New York and anti-gunners Mark Kirk of Illinois and Mike Castle of Delaware have introduced a new gun control bill that comes right out of this so-called “Rightwing Extremist” report.

    This is H.R. 2159, the Disarming American Citizens Act of 2009.

    If Congress passes H.R. 2159, Eric Holder would have the authority to deny thousands of innocent Americans their constitutionally protected rights

    H.R. 2159 also allows Holder and his team of gun-grabbing henchmen to “withhold” any and all evidence from you or a court if Holder & co. “determine” that it might “compromise national security.” In otherwords, the courts “must” rely on Eric Holder’s “word” or “summaries” of evidence he “supposedly” has against you without any “real evidence”…Even a gesture as simple as placing a pro-gun bumper sticker on your car, or supporting a pro-gun candidate makes you a potential “domestic terrorist” in this Administrations eyes

    They could annul your Second Amendment rights and convict you in a court of “law” without a shred of actual evidence . . . legally!

    If H.R. 2159 becomes law, Eric Holder — or any other Attorney General for that matter — will be allowed to disarm you based on your political views without having to provide any evidence for his claims.

    With anti-gun Barack Obama in the White House, and Nancy Pelosi ruling the House of Representatives with an iron fist, our only hope to stop the Disarming American Citizens Act is in the Senate…Bombard them with your letters and let your state senators hear you loud and clear! These reports about crime being down won’t stop them!

    • Claire

      Mark Kirk is an idiot grasping at straws. This man is out for himself–always. Egads, I wonder how he got elected.

  • http://www.auterytech.com/ Steve

    I love it. You seem to be as well read as I am sarcastic. Personally I own six weapons and see no reason why anyone of sound mind and of legal age should not be able to purchase one legally. But the caveat I have to that is these people should not just randomly purchase a weapon because they can, but also have some sort of training and knowledge of the times of usage and penalties of misusing. Call me a little bit paranoid, but there are probably owners out there who know nothing of these. I’ve seen a slogan somewhere that says something like, ” I’m not so afraid of the bullet out there with my name on it, as I am with the one that’s marked random” (not exact)

  • copper911

    I guess my question after reading this blog is “why does anyone bother to respond to the crap that A.L. spews?” No one is gonna change his mind about anything, no matter how logically you explain it to him! Besides he apparently thrives on the attention you give him. I believe we all have much more pertinent issues we can discuss and allow this dipstick to fade into obscurity just like is political party seems to be doing.

    • libertytrain

      Yes, you are exactly right -

  • http://gmail i41

    You have to realize a lib has a phantom dream land love interest in Sarah Palin. He just cannot get enough Sarah, he wants to just get a chance to meet and greet Sarah Palin and maybe go fishing. So just give am lib a little more time, he hopefully will get on the “right” side of life.

    • Bob Wire

      i think you carry an infatuation with Shara i41, that’s the second time I hear you’ve make such an outlandish statement.

      Shara, is a cutie no doubt, but that voice will peel paint off the wall. I got a mother with the same voice, it carries great distance and impossible to ignore. It like nails across a black board or gravel shovel shoveling fine grit.

      I’d need a roll of duct tape if I went fishing with her.

      Myself, Mi-shell Bockman more my kinda of girl. I can stand to look at her and listen to her too! yep ! Bockman is my choice! she’s tiny too! 5 1/2 shoe my guess.

  • gary

    The current government is the kind that the constitution,gave us the ability, the right, and the means to remove. It is really more serious business than a vote to remove a few idiots. THE sad reality is if we do not have another revolution, our country is lost. Voting will not be enough this time.It has gone war to far for that to work.I know they are planning to take us over totally very very soon. We must all ban together and plan,Plan and then act. YOu will see after we vote in November how really futile our vote is. BUy all the guns and ammo you can afford and hide it where only you can find it. TO die for your country is better than to die like turd flushed down the drain.
    Obama and his goons are planning our demise as a free society. Remember what FEMA is doing in addition to the foreign troops in our country practicing weapons confiscation door to door. Then there is the “New World Order” coming to a town near you. I do not believe there is much time left for us to act.

  • gary

    I also believe that buying a gun should be no more complicated than buying a loaf of bread. You give the clerk the money and out the door you go no questions asked. Criminals will of course always have guns, no matter what laws there are.
    I do not care who buys a gun, as long as it is easy for me to buy one also. I need to be able to protect myself.As an American, my constitution gives me that right.

  • gary

    When you have a government, that tells you that you cannot have the rights that were granted you by your own constitution,that is a huge problem. What was that they said: Houston we have problem. America we have a problem!

    A revolution!! It would not be much of a fight as we would have most of the military on our side, and probably many Republicans. It would however take a huge show of arms. At that point all you would see is a huge dust cloud moving away at high speed. That would be the liberal. Remember how afraid they are of BULLETS? All the little lemmings would follow the big black lemming into the ocean. LMAO

  • gary

    OH well, its nice to dream about taking our country back, even though I know it won’t happen. We will sit and watch as the great Obama takes total control, and then we can all reminisc how it used to be. AT the pace Obama has set, it will all be over before his current term is over. Good bye America Good bye. It was great while it lasted.Say hello to the United Socialistic States of America. Kind of reminds me of that movie, Planet of the Apes.

  • JeffH

    gary, after reading your comments I find myself to be a bit skeptical of your intentions…particularly skeptical about whether you are real or a fake…I’m leaning towards the latter…you’re way too comfortable and casual with your suggesting a revolution…

    • James

      JeffH, while Gary didn’t mention ‘revolution’ he did imply that that would be the only remedy for the socialist takeover of our government. That our government is out of control has become painfully obvious to most Americans, but in the end, few if any Americans would lay down their lives to change it.

  • eddie47d

    Yes,Jeffy I’ve learned to understand the “enemy”. Go back and read 4gsltw at 2:14. Too many ridicules comments to take anyone serious. There’s about 50% common sense and 50% bottom feeding lies. So half the people (tabloid Journalism) control this site and the facts on both sides get ignored.

    • JeffH

      …and which 50% do you feed with?

      • JeffH

        eddie, never mind an answer, I doubt it would be an honest one anyway. I’ve yet to see you point out the constant, totally outrageous, drivel of Am Lib, chaos factor or timr…all of whom are pure racists and obvious bottom feeders full of non-fact mis-information…but you are very good at time stamping comments that are generally easy to pick apart from non-liberals…so fast eddie, that speaks volumes about yourself that you’re not quite as sharp as you would like others to believe.

  • Bob Wire

    It’s long been accepted people kill people, I know of only few occasion where a gun jumped up and killed anyone.

    Prudence and education is the way to fight human death associated with fire arms.

    We arm ourselves because Cops are to heavy to carry, hard to manage and develop an attitude when you try.

  • Bob Wire

    And NO! the government is not out of control, It’s just not exact in “our” control. Never was and never will be completely.

    Control issue, will drive you to drink, ~ control your mouth, control your bowl ,perhaps, above all, control your thoughts! ~ but

    we have to depend on “others”
    to control themselves as well. It’s worked out well for the last few hundred years for the most part. So there no big change afoot as you suggest.

    But that say, I’ve know interest in registering my guns or a ticket to carry. Some things are best left unsaid and left alone, this being one.

  • http://www.bobandgail.us Gail

    Eye opening video!! What other abandoned bases have these UN vehs on them!!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHGIShZ_ThA&feature=player_embedded

  • Bob Wire

    Interesting Gail! Thanks.

    My first question; how were all the cars Identified as UN vans or as he referred to them as Patty Wagons. ~ I fail to get that and think it important.

    If they are UN vans, why is a UN presence here! We don’t need the UN ~ The UN needs us.

    Are they Chevy’s? that’s a large investment on someone’s part in automobiles. There should be records of some a sell as well as who’s paying property taxes at this location. Maybe Chevy made someone a good deal.

    In 54, my family moved to the town I live, we had a Government Depot, huge fenced expanse, with rail head spurs some 1/2 mile away. It use to employ many people but over the years it’s became more of a storage area ~ for 20 years huge bars of lead were stored there, there by the thousands, stacked 10 ft tall and this was just a small part of this area filled with many building and roads. Mountains of coal, government car and truck by the thousands. And the last few years white FEMA trailers by the hundreds. ~ Now it true, this place is not hidden for view. We kinda always wished it were. We’ve became quite use to the place yet they could hide easily 5,000 troops inside the building .

    I’m not alarmed with what I’ve seen or heard but it does raise questions and I’d like to know more.

    6 to 1 they are not UN Trucks at all.

  • Steve

    Bob Wire says:
    May 28, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    If they are UN vans, why is a UN presence here! We don’t need the UN ~ The UN needs us.
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………….
    Bob,
    Why does Obama need U.N. troops? Because he can’t trust the U.S. military to fire on American citizens.
    I really can’t believe you asked that Bob. I know you’re smarter than that.

    • JC

      Exactly right. It might also be why US Vets returning from overseas are being labeled right wingers and security threats by Napolitano and company.

  • Bob Wire

    Hmm? ~ well if that “might” be so and I seriously doubt it, They need more and much bigger VANS!

    This post 9-11 climate is one of extremes. I had a court date and was having to wait on the bench outside the courtroom for several hours.

    Attempting to make use of the dead time, I did what I could to use it to my benefit, organize phone files and folder, and maintenance on my beat-up working mans hands. I had my pocket knife out a digging, cleaning and trimming. It was about then, I realized I wasn’t in Maybury anymore as I was surrounded by officers sent to disarm me!

    It’s true, we live in strange times and a fools folly to think all things benign. But I sense a lot of unnecessary tension as well.

    As for myself, The creation and powers of HLS scares the bjesus out of me, while the rest of the nation somehow thought it a “good idea”

    ~ My home is no long safe! or yours either! And it’s not UN forces, but fellow American’s commission and perceived their duty and “JUST Cause” There is enough poison and hate filling the airways today of American’s against American’s acting most willing to fire on their own citizens. If there ever be a need for UN ground troops on American soil, this would be the reason for it.

    But, that said, I know few truly willing to stand and fight while they “act” willing. Life is still too good and too soft here in the US. What we’ll see is dirty little tricks more like a nat trying to fly up our nose. A nuisance, a small disruption of the public peace attempting to place fear in American’s mind and hearts, attempting to validate political views void hard evidence. Domestic terrorism, no more, no less.

    If McCain had won the election, today’s Tea Party would not even exist, yet the “statement reasons” for the Tea Party Movement would still be with us. I believe that, I really do!

    The Tea Party movement was created by a political machine that lost an election in spite of their “FIX”, in spite of all their power, in spite for all their money! The TPM is a proxy of the same old tied machine that has brought America to the crossroads. They profess some kind of conservative purity and now attempt to clean house, purging their ranks of the impure.

    Now how they plan to win another general election alienating 80% of American voter is unclear to me. So they better reach deep into that hat and pull out another rabbit!

    Maybe that’s the reason for all these Vans?

  • JeffH

    “The Tea Party movement was created by a political machine that lost an election in spite of their “FIX”, in spite of all their power, in spite for all their money!”

    Now you’re eating and drinking to much of your own home spun spirits…on note I can only muster up a soft uh huh! and leave you to your daily dose of your favorite media outlet.

  • Bob Wire

    Oh really? actually I read most of it, ~ having little time for commercials and I drop it everywhere and listen to everyone that’s attempting to make any sense. I have a link for you to all National newspapers I find most useful in understanding the mood of my neighbors. I attempt to retrieve it for you.

    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/index

    you’ll like this first one Jeffie, but the way I see it, anyone that has time on their hands to demonstrate and hold up racial signs and worries over spending ~ reminds me of the mid 60′s as a huge black woman, holds up a sign reading “don’t starve us” ~ haha! ! Impossible would be my guess! ~ The words don’t fit the picture! and so it is with this Tea Party Crowd, the words don’t fit the picture.

    >>>NYT Poll: Tea Partiers Smarter Than General Public
    This is sure to upset the knuckle-dragging illiterates on the left who can’t spell their racist signs correctly.
    Tea party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, tend to be Republican, white, male, and married, and their strong opposition to the Obama administration is more rooted in political ideology than anxiety about their personal economic situation, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.<<>The 18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters look like Republicans in many ways, but they hold more conservative views on a range of issues and tend to be older than Republicans generally. They are also more likely than Republicans as a whole to describe themselves as “very conservative” and President Obama as “very liberal.<<<

    In Tea Party rise, Ron Paul's legacy
    Sarasota Herald-Tribune ^ | February 21, 2010 | Jeremy Wallace
    Posted on Sunday, February 21, 2010 9:01:57 AM by Brandonmark
    When Ron Paul lost his bid for president in 2008 many political observers expected that the movement he inspired would fade into obscurity.
    Instead, followers of the quirky little Texan have emerged as a strident and growing opposition to everything from President Barack Obama's agenda to local tax issues.
    Nationally, many of Paul's supporters are behind the Tea Party movement, which embraced Republican Scott Brown's Senate victory in Massachusetts. In Florida, Paul backers were influential in ousting state GOP chairman Jim Greer and have bolstered Republican Marco Rubio's run for Senate.
    Locally, Paul's legacy is seen in the growing opposition to renewing the Sarasota schools tax.
    While none of the events were driven solely by Paul's passionate followers, each had its beginning with what Paul's supporters call their "revolution."
    "They have definitely played a big role," Sarasota Republican Party Chairman Joe Gruters said of the Paul faction.
    Many of Paul's positions are on the political fringe. Paul calls global warming "an elaborate hoax." He wants to eliminate Medicare and Medicaid. He calls for abolishing the Federal Reserve and returning to the gold standard.
    But the legacy of Paul's campaign may be the passion he unleashed in his followers.

    The first Money backer?

    David Hamilton Koch (pronounced /ˈkoʊk/ "coke", born May 3, 1940) is an American engineer and businessman. He is one of the co-owners (with older brother Charles) and an executive vice president of Koch Industries, a conglomerate with major petroleum and natural gas holdings that is the second largest privately held company (after Cargill) in the United States.[1] He lives in New York City.
    Life and career
    Koch was the Libertarian Party's vice-presidential candidate in the 1980 US presidential election, sharing the party ticket with Ed Clark. The Clark-Koch ticket received just under one million popular votes and remains the most successful Libertarian presidential campaign to date.
    David Koch currently serves on the board of directors of the libertarian Cato Institute and the Reason Foundation. His brother Charles Koch has also been active in organizing and funding foundations and think-tanks such as the Cato Institute.
    David Koch is one of four sons of petroleum industry innovator Fred C. Koch. He attended Deerfield Academy and then the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He is a class of 59' alumni at Deerfield Acdemy David received both bachelor's and master's degrees in chemical engineering in 1962 and 1963 respectively. He also started for MIT in basketball, establishing an MIT record by scoring an average of 21 points per game over three years. He was captain of the team in his senior year, 1962. He held MIT's single-game scoring record of 41 points, which he set in 1962, until it was broken in early 2009 by Jimmy Bartolotta.
    Koch is New York's second wealthiest resident, after Michael Bloomberg.[2]

    I say, this is pretty much the same crowd that kept running interference for 43's administration. And if the GOP had claimed the 1st chair again , they'd seen little need for your "Tea Party"today.

    • JeffH

      Sorry pal, like I said before, you’re reading and gathering your info from your favorite media outlet.

      I’ve been too and participated with the Central Valley Tea Party and despite what you choose to believe, until you see them and meet them you’ll always be influenced by your choice of media. Sorry but no Koch involved…no Republican Party involved, and most certainly not a group of $250K/yr, gun toting white racists.

      As for making sense? Check for loose coins.

  • Bob Wire

    opps, That didn’t work out! I try again.

    http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/flash/

  • Bob Wire

    Well Jeff, Is that your final answer?

    very well ~ See it your way, That works well for me.

    may truth prevail regardless.

    I think I’ll grab my smoking jacket, pour me a Scottish and tune into my “favorite news outlet” and watch a lot of Commercials about how to invest money I don’t have, buy cars I can’t afford , insurance I can’t afford and something that makes my specker pick out for those special moments.

    I have nothing against the Konch Brothers; But I find it odd you claim no knowledge of their activity.

    >>>”“Days like to today bring to reality the vision of our board of directors, when we founded this organization five years ago,” said Koch. “We envisioned a mass movement, a state-based one, but national in scope, of hundreds of thousands of American citizens from all walks of life standing up and fighting for the economic freedoms that made our nation the most prosperous society in history.”

    The 2,000-odd activists of Americans for Prosperity–around 300 had signed up for the event in the last week, according to organizers–sat patiently through this. Koch lumbered through his short speech, walking right over applause lines. He had been introduced by Tim Phillips, the cheerful president and public face of Americans for Prosperity as a man who “provides jobs for folks across the country” and whose vision “launched our organization, this organization, that you’re seeing today, that so many of you are actively part of.” Financing from Koch, among other donors, allowed the activists to pay $99 ($79 if they registered early enough) for a two-day conference with three meals, at least two tickets for free beverages at noisy receptions, and a chance to hear from conservative stars like DeMint, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, radio host Hugh Hewitt, and CNBC host Larry Kudlow. It provided signs that they’d brought to a rally on Capitol Hill with slogans such as “Socialism Isn’t Cool” and “Cut Spending.”

    But it was the prominence of Koch, who praised the activists for fueling a “strong, principled, freedom movement,” which revealed the degree to which conservatives have dismissed the “astroturf” attacks that greeted the Tea Parties. The Friday and Saturday summit was the latest and largest attempt by one of the Washington-based groups shepherding the Tea Parties to proclaim themselves leaders of a political majority, and to turn the attention of newly discovered conservative activists to the 2010 elections.”<<

    He say's noble things! Sure you never heard of him?

  • JeffH

    Since the beginning of time, adults have used stories with morals to educate children in right and wrong, good and bad, safe and unsafe.

    Too often these days, stories exist only for their entertainment value. Fables are the most well known stories with morals. Fables are usually very short stories featuring animals (or sometimes even inanimate objects) with human thoughts and needs.

    You can find fables all over the internet, but they’re usually indexed by title! Isn’t that silly? The language can seem less than modern. I’ll try to make the translations sound less dated.
    My opinion is that the best way to use a fable is to read it yourself and then tell it to your child in your own words. Feel free to embellish it, to make it more of a story.

  • JeffH

    FBI Data Again Shows More Guns = Less Crime
    The FBI released crime statistics that should cause the applauding anti-gunners to sit on their hands. The statistics indicate that between 2008 and 2009, as gun sales soared, the number of murders in our country decreased 7.2 percent. That amounts to about an 8.2 percent decrease in the per capita murder rate, after the increase in our nation’s legal and illegal population is taken into account. And it translates into about a 10.5 percent decrease in the murder rate between 2004, when the ban expired, and the end of 2009. And finally, it means that in 2009 our nation’s murder rate fell to a 45-year low.

    Anyone needing proof that fanaticism for gun control hasn’t waned on Capitol Hill, that anti-gunners are — as Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) put it last year — only waiting to “pick the time,” should watch the video of Mexican president Felipe Calderon’s speech to Congress last week, versions of which have been posted on youtube.com. When Calderon asked that the federal “assault weapon” ban be re-imposed, a very large number of U.S. Representatives and Senators present gave him a standing ovation.

    Hillary Clinton And The UN Arms Trade Treaty Rumor

    Friday, May 28, 2010

    We continue to receive numerous inquiries regarding UN international treaties, and their impact on our Second Amendment rights. The latest rumor making its way around the Internet claims that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton actually signed a UN small arms treaty.

    Contrary to this widely circulated e-mail, Hillary Clinton has not signed any small arms treaty. She could not have done so, in fact, because no such treaty has yet been negotiated.

    As we noted in an update from last November, the UN Arms Trade Treaty will be drafted between now and 2012, and even if signed, would not take effect in the U.S. until it was ratified by the Senate.

    Please rest assured that, as we said in November, NRA will be actively involved in this process and will oppose any treaty that would attempt to impose limits on our Second Amendment rights. In the meantime, we urge gun owners to follow this issue in NRA’s magazines and NRA-ILA’s Grassroots Alerts. We also urge gun owners not to circulate misinformation on this issue.

    http://www.nraila.org/GrassrootsAlerts/Read.aspx?email=jhatwig@hotmail.com#poll

  • Steve

    Two Anti-Gun Bills Pass Committee, Head to Floor in California Friday, May 28, 2010
    Please Contact Your Assembly member Today!

    Today, Friday, May 28, the Assembly Appropriations Committee passed Assembly Bill 1810 and Assembly Bill 2223
    Both bills now head to the Assembly floor for consideration where they could be heard as early as next week.

    AB1810 would establish a registration system, similar to the one currently in place for handguns, for all newly-acquired long guns. Under AB1810, the make, model and serial number of the firearm as well as the identifying information of the purchaser would be recorded and kept on file by the California Attorney General’s office.

    If AB1810 were enacted, violent criminals would continue doing what they do now – obtain firearms through illegal means. This bill would not decrease crime but will rather have disastrous effects on the already financially unstable Golden State. AB1810 would impose additional burdens on California’s taxpayers to maintain the registration system as well as on the state’s licensed firearms dealers, small businesses who already deal with extensive business requirements.

    One simply needs to look at Canada, a nation with draconian firearms registration, to see the results – billions in cumulative administrative costs, annual cost overruns, no clear substantiation of public safety benefits, unjust prosecution, and a bureaucratic complexity that daunts those willing to comply. Ironically, California is considering a new registration scheme as Canada is considering doing away with its system.

    AB2223 would outlaw the use of lead shot when shooting or hunting in state-run wildlife management areas. There is no scientific evidence justifying this proposed ban. It is intended only to discourage hunting in California and that is why the Humane Society of the United States is in full support.

    AB1810 and AB2223 are very serious threats to the rights of California’s law-abiding gun owners and must be defeated.

    Please contact your Assembly member TODAY and strongly voice your opposition to AB1810, and AB2223.

  • 45caliber

    Most anti-gun people are liberals who fear guns. To them anyone who joins the military or who wants a personal gun are prospective murderers who should be controlled. In theory – the only way liberals tend to think – if there were no guns there would be no way criminals could force others to give them money, etc. But since guns do exist, the theory is definately wrong since the criminals are willing to break any law to acquire such a thing.

    But since liberals think only in theory, they cannot understand that guns allow the victims a way to counter the violence of the criminals. And they will never admit that they might actually be wrong.

    (Incidently, for those of you who believe a “theory” is established fact – “Theory” means “educated GUESS”.}

  • Jason Mench

    So, AL, you say that we don’t need a gun outside of our house? You must live in cave somewhere if you have never seen a new’s report of someone being assaulted or robbed while outside of their house. And just in case you need some visual aids to help you process the information given here is a link:

    http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2010/06/07/front-sights-monday-blog-pack-for-emergencies/#video

    I am a vet and I have also had to pull ( but not fire, thankfully ) my firearm for protection. They decided to hit the ground the second they saw it. I have my CCW and I am very active in support of our 2A. There are many people that have given you examples of law’s and purposed law’s that directly effect our 2A. The worst is the Treaty that was talked about. The Constitution directly states that we should enter into a Treaty very cautiously because our constitution states that the rules and law’s of a treaty superceed our constitution. I don’t think it has been signed quite yet, but both Obama and Clinton have said they would and in that Treaty are regulations that no private citizen is allowed to own a firearm. Only law enforcement and military, while on duty for the government, is allowed to have a firearm.

    If you do own any firearms, you sound like the type that when the government orders people to start turning in their guns because they are now illegal for you to own, you will be one of the first in line so you can show just how good of a little sheep you are. Me personally, they are going to have to work to get mine.

  • Ron

    Rights are given to us by God. Man gives us laws to uphold those rights.

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