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Cramming Obamacare Down Our Throats

March 26, 2010 by  

Cramming Obamacare Down Our Throats

Well, they finally did it. By a vote of 219 to 212, the House of Representatives approved Obamacare Sunday night. By the time you read this, President Obama will have signed this monstrosity into law.

The only thing “bipartisan” about the measure was the opposition to it. Thirty-four Democrats joined every Republican in the House in voting against it. But even this doesn’t capture the nationwide opposition to the bill. Every single survey taken in the past two months showed massive public opposition to the measure.

“So what?” was the Democrats rejoinder. “Once this sucker becomes law, people will learn to like it.”

The Left thinks they have won the most important victory yet in the political wars. But they’re about to discover that, like John Paul Jones before us, we have just begun to fight.

Let’s hope that this November plenty of voters will remember what our leaders just did to us.

I’ll spare you a litany of all the “dirty deals, open threats, broken promises and disregard for democracy” that were used to shove this 2,400-page monstrosity down our throats. Even with all the last-minute vote-buying and arm-twisting, I hoped the measure would come up short. And it almost did.

In the week before the vote, Barack Obama held private meetings or telephone conversations with 64 different congressmen. At least one of them, Rep. Jim Costa (D-Calif.), bragged publicly that he used his face time with the president to demand some “special consideration” for his Central Valley district. On March 16, the Interior Department came through, announcing that the water allocation there would be increased from 5 percent to 25 percent. On Saturday, Costa—a former no vote—said he had flipped to yes. But deal-doing had nothing to do with it, of course.

The president also hopped aboard Air Force One and flew to rallies in states where wavering House Democrats resided. He showed up in Pennsylvania (home to five uncommitted votes), Missouri (three wavering Democrats), Ohio (eight undeclared congressmen) and Virginia (four).

The president’s advance men made sure Obama would be talking to friendly crowds. And of course the local media was out in droves. So the Left could be assured of plenty of favorable coverage.

One person who would be missing from the show was the local congressman. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi wasn’t about to allow members of the House to go home until a vote was taken. No Spring Break for those guys and gals! The speaker knew she didn’t dare risk letting representatives go home then. Otherwise, too many would see first-hand just how opposed most of their constituents were to the measure.

While the president used the honey of his rhetoric and the promise of government largesse to win votes, political heavies such as the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and Moveon.org used threats. Their message was short and simple: Vote no on Obamacare and we’ll find someone else to take your place in Congress.

But all of the bullying, bluffs and bluster wasn’t enough. Kimberley Strassel, who writes the Potomac Watch column for the Wall Street Journal, had been following this story for months. The day after that fateful vote, she reported, “By the weekend, all the pressure and threats and bribes had left the speaker three to five votes short.”

As it happened, there were half-a-dozen votes just waiting to be plucked. All the House leadership had to do to get them was agree to include a line in the legislation saying that no Federal funds would be used to provide abortions. The danger was that if they agreed they’d lose more than six votes among the pro-abortion crowd in the House.

I don’t know who came up with the compromise, but it was a dandy. The language of the legislation wouldn’t be changed—but the president promised to issue an executive order afterwards, stating that no Federal funds provided by the bill could be used for abortions.

That was all it took for Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) to fold like an accordion. On Sunday afternoon he announced that he and five other colleagues would now support the legislation.

Pro-abortion supporters chortled that such an executive order wouldn’t change a thing. Bart and his buddies had been duped. One pro-life congressman was so upset that he shouted out “baby killer!” during the debate on the House floor.

But, no matter. The dirty deed was done. And within hours, the most radical healthcare legislation in history had been approved by the House of Representatives.

Because the powers-that-be decided to use a sneaky parliamentary procedure called “reconciliation” to pass the measure, that was all it took. There would be no chance for opponents to stop it in the Senate, despite the victory of Scott Brown in Massachusetts. (Click here to see my tirade two weeks ago, called Hey Washington—Reconcile This)

During and after the debate I collected a basketful of quotes by people on both sides of the issue. I’ll spare you all of the gleeful smugness of the victors and most of the dire warnings from the losers. But let me share with you my favorite, which comes from Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas):

“It was truly a sad weekend on the House floor as we witnessed the further dismantling of the Constitution, disregard of the will of the people, explosive expansion of the reach of government, unprecedented corporate favoritism, and the impending end of quality healthcare as we know it….

“Of course, the most troubling aspect of this bill is that it is so blatantly unconstitutional and contrary to the ideals of liberty. Nowhere in the Constitution is there anything approaching authority for the Federal government to do any of this.”

In the aftermath of the bill’s passage, attorneys general in 13 states joined together and filed suit in Florida Tuesday to have the bill declared unconstitutional. Virginia sued separately. Officials in at least 15 other states said they are preparing legal and constitutional challenges to the legislation. We’ll see how far they get. I’m not optimistic, since most Federal judges pay absolutely no attention to constitutional limitations on the reach and power of the Federal government.

No, the only way we’re going to win back our lost freedoms is at the ballot box.
I believe that those of us who work for a living still outnumber those who vote for a living. It’s just that the other side has spent far more time and money getting their side elected.

Are we willing to do what it will take to change things? As I said at the beginning of this column, we’ll find out this November.

Until next Friday, keep some powder dry.

—Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • American liberal

    Nothing was crammed down anybodys throat…President Obama ran on healthcare, As did Hillary Clinton… This us something the democrats have promised for 60 years…. I’d take healthcare anyday over the Iraq was and the bankrupting of America that the republicans gave us… And I can’t forget the Wallstreet bailouts that republicans gave us…. Have republicans even given America anything?…they gave us tax cuts for the top 2%…

    • Darrel

      American Liberal is at it again. He has overindulged on the Obama kool-aid and spouts the latest spin from the far left. Too bad it never checks facts. He conveniently forgets that the Congress (that includes democrats, even far left liberal ones), saw the same information that President Bush did and strongly support the Iraq war. And of course he conveniently forgets the liberal democrat Congress during Bush term 2 that blocked everything including attempts to update Social Security. They also ignored and blocked any attempt to investigate and prosecute the criminal behavior in Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae thanks to Mr Frank and his ilk. The Freddie/Fannie fiasco tripped the trigger on the mess we are now all in. And we are still in it and it is deepening. And the current Demo(lition) Congress is intent on having a few workers and future generations pay for their gross mistakes in Stimulus and Obamacare. Stop mouthing the tired attempt to blame Bush for everything and have the guts to take some responsibility for the mess the democrats created.

      • denniso

        Chip Wood and you extremist blowhards have conveniently forgotten that there was also vehement public opposition to the illegal Iraq invasion,yet Cheny/Bush repeated over and over that they didn’t look at polls and wouldn’t run their administration on them. You and Chip Wood also forget that we don’t have a direct Democracy,it is a representative Democracy,where we elect reps to work on our behalf,not to do what every voter wants…how could that happen,when we have people elected w/some % voting against them? So, about 1/2 of the public is against the bill,so what? 1/2 favors it,and some of those opposed are because the bill was watered down in the process…many millions wanted single payer or the public option,which were dismissed in an attempt to be bi partisan. SO maybe
        35% are actually opposed to the bill on principal,too bad…the early polls showed exactly that until the Repubs started lying and
        demagoging the issue and scaring people w/ more lies.

        Get over it and spend your energy mounting a court challenge aginst the possibly unconstitutional ‘mandates’,rather than threatening officials and childishly spouting talk of revolution and violence…
        I would even join you in that effort…what is going on now from the rightwing extremists is going to prompt a backlash from moderates and sane Repubs and hurt the Repubs in the next 2 elections…keep it up if your intention is to help the Dems…

        • American liberal

          Correct… The polls in favor of Healthcare will get back to the Mid 70′s once the single payer option is in place…. That’s the mistake these goverment haters are missing.. That a lot of democrats aren’t happy the single payer othion was left out… I not happy with the bill either but it’s a good start..

          • Ken Rosentrater

            Single payer would make it worse, not better. More of a Federal intrusion, not less. More a violation of the Constitution, not less.

            You say you “don’t like the bill” but it’s a good start. Huh?

            Can we really trust these inflated egotists to “fix” anything? If it’s such a good bill, why were they talking about “fixing” it even before they voted?

            How can any human being possibly know the consequences of a 2400 page bill. How can any human being understand it? How can it be considered a moral act to put the citizenry under such a massive law when no one knows for certain what’s in it and what will happen as a result.

            “Trust us while we toss you into this very deep pool, the bottom of which can’t be seen and the inhabitants of which we really don’t know. Trust us!” (While they exempt their Holy Selves from any obligation whatsover to be also ruled by this bill.)

            It doesn’t matter what the content or object of any bill is, if the little messiahs who pass it make sure they aren’t affected by it. That single action makes the thing very suspect.

            I do not have any respect at all for these people, and that is because I have very high respect for the American system (as it was intended) and for the rule of law – the Constitution of these (formerly) United States of America. Our Rulers (in their own minds) haven’t a shred of respect for those things

          • Stand for Freedom

            As Obama bragged, what has taken 100 years has finally been shoved down our throats. The Progressives started it, and now they’re looking to finish it. Next they will focus once again on cap and trade. And before you start spouting off Mr. American Liberal get your facts straight. This is just the beginning of the continuing effort for a government take-over of our lives.

          • carol

            I hope that you enjoy having a nurse practitioner doing your CABG because
            American physicians will not accept Obamacare or deliver healthcare to those patients. We are already dropping Medicare patients in droves because the payment we get from this bankrupt program doesn’t pay enough to cover the cost of our treatment. Medicare patients are having to show up in hospital E.R.’s to get basic coverage. What this legislation will accomplish is the development of a two tiered healthcare system. Good care for those who will pay fee for service to doctors and garbage Kaiser-type/Medicaid care for those under the government
            plan. Think you can force physicians to work as government slaves…think again. Many will quitand do something else or retire early. Others will find a way around the system as Canadian doctors did. Costs will skyrocket. The current legislation encourages employers to dump their employees on the government plan because penalties are cheaper than paying for private insurance coverage (especially since insurance companies are being forced to cover everything for everyone) so most people will not get to keep their current insurance plan.

          • http://aol wayne a

            yeah amer.lib,its a start.a start of americas downfall.we now have the largest deficit in our history that will take 20yrs to pay down!

          • http://zzzz Preston

            9/21/10, To AmLib: Reform is in order but this travesty is not what most ordinary people had in mind.
            What the propaganda’s not telling you, for one thing, is you may not get the care you have now. As you get older, the less cost-efficient becomes your care; you may not have to be 90 to be denied care. Depending on your condition/prognosis, you could be 40.
            Canada & the UK ration who gets what. Make no mistake, you could die or otherwise suffer serious impairment for lack of treatment.
            I have relatives in Canada, one of whom traveled to Mt.Sinai in NY because he would have to wait too long for ‘approval.’ ~~~ p.weiters@yahoo.com ~~~

          • http://None Joe S

            I have studied the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and I cannot find any where that the government has the authority to force the American people to buy anything. We as Americans do not need the Federal Government’s permission to do anything. It is our permission that the government needs to operate. The free trade agreements are unconstitutional as well as forcing a person to file a tax return. The income tax is constitutional, but to force someone to pay it is not.It is treason to force us into slavery(forced servitude) We must blame ourselves for what the government is doing and not the governmnt. We have stood by and let our rights dwindle and it is we that have to take them back! Think about what I have said and research the lawful ways to stop this agression.

        • marvin

          what progressive world do you live in the land of ozz the land of the free free free thank obama allmity we have free free free but here in the real world where real people that will work for what they have not half but 70% don,t want free obamacare it we don,t want to give amnesty to illegals and house and school and feed and free health care for their kids if you like that type goverment move to cuba or france or mexico , hell you could be a drug lord in mexico with great power so go for it and more power to you

          • Joe H.

            marvin,
            the two smart idiots above forget that 75% of the people wanted them to start over from scratch!!! But that’s ok, they have lost their job and don’t know it!!! the people will not forget. These sites and believe me there are hundreds of conservative sites, will be sure of that. The people that visit them and the different groups like the TEA party, nra, and many others won’t let them forget either!!! You can take that to the BANK!!!

          • J C

            His Hopiness has accomplished nothing more than the complete destruction of the United States. Lock n Load people…it’s going to get really bad before it gets better.
            The historical significance of government intrusion and comlete ignorance of the will of the people can not be ignored this time, things won’t be Ok! Not this time….

          • Jana

            What is so sad about all of this is Obama has decided to be President over a party, not over all of the people. He pushes through his ideology, not the will of the people.

            He is dictating, not presiding.

          • usmadgirl

            Jana,

            So true!!!

          • denniso

            How quickly you people forget,Cheny/Bush had 8 yrs of pushing their rightwing agenda,against the wishes of the majority…Obama won the election w/ 53% of the vote and now it’s our turn. You people can cry and whine and pout,but we’re now in control…get used to it.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            In response to Dennisovendictive’s 28 Mar 2010 11:07am post and comment… “Obama won the election w/ 53% of the vote and now it’s our turn. You people can cry and whine and pout,but we’re now in control…get used to it”.

            So, in your and the rest of the Peace Loving Liberal Left (PLLL) members’ mindset…it’s more important to dish out liberal payback than to demand Obama live up to his [broken] promises, i.e., “the most transparent administration ever”. Hmmmmmm….why am I not surprised?

            Fed Up Gal

          • denniso

            So you prefer war to peace? You equate peace w/ weakness and like most
            rightwingers actually do enjoy war and killing because it proves we’re strong? Sadly,it’s true of most ‘conservatives’ because they are terrified of being perceived as wimps and fundamentally don’t trust other people…that’s also why they have a love affair w/ big guns.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            denniso says:
            March 29, 2010 at 9:07 am
            So you prefer war to peace? You equate peace w/ weakness and like most
            rightwingers actually do enjoy war and killing because it proves we’re strong? Sadly,it’s true of most ‘conservatives’ because they are terrified of being perceived as wimps and fundamentally don’t trust other people…that’s also why they have a love affair w/ big guns.

            Denniso,

            You know very well war and killing is not something I enjoy. So rather than dignify your question any further, I will just ask you this: How does your response relate to my reply to your post (about liberal payback)???????????????????

            I realize you’re having to dig down in the dirt quite a bit to come up with something….anything….well….just don’t break a nail…or get a splinter, thorn, etc., in your hands…..cuz I’m not sure you’ll be able to get that free health care yet.
            …and I’d lose a lot of sleep over your suffering from such a needless infliction :-)

            Fed Up Gal

            Fed Up Gal

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Ooooops….sorry about the duplicate signature…..guess that must mean…I’m doubly Fed Up…LoL.

            Fed Up Gal

          • http://aol wayne a

            marvin and jh RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • ChuckL

          deniso, The first invasion of Iraq was at the request of the Kuwaitis who had been driven from their country by Saddam Hussein. The second invasion of Iraq was mandatory, not illegal. Saddam Hussein had signed a “cease fire agreement that granted the U.N. and the U.S. the full right of access to any location in Iraq to search for weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein then abrogated that agreement and ordered all inspectors out.

          This abrogation voided the “cease fire” agreement also and legally restored the situation to what it was before the “cease fire” agreement.

          Don’t forget, there were Islamic Arabs in the first coalition. The first two Iraqi fighters were shot down by Saudi F-15s.

          • denniso

            God almighty,why don’t you read and think? International inspectors combed Iraq for WMD before the invasion and stated clearly there were no WMD. Cheny/Bush ignored and manipulated that evidence because they wanted to topple Saddam regardless. We could have dealt w/ him in a much less costly way,as we had been doing,both in lives and money.
            The Iraq invasion was the dumbest and most atrocious policy decision made by our gov’t in history.

            You can’t intelligently accept that fact or even acknowledge it’s plausibility,you’re hopelessly partisan.

          • Joe H.

            denniso,
            There were many areas put off limits to the inspectors. That was what caused the reason we went in that and Saddam shooting at planes in the no-fly zone!!!!

          • denniso

            No, JoeH, the reason we invaded Iraq is that Cheny/Bush are warmongers,like most Repubs. Saddam shot at our planes for yrs in the no fly zone,never killing anyone. The international inspectors declared flatly that there were no WMD,so did our top inspector. Saddam complied w/ our demand and sent a written declaration to Shrub saying he didn’t have WMD…of course,Shrub said he couldn’t be believed,and Cheny stated absolutely that he did have WMD,and we invaded…so who was it who couldn’t be believed?
            We slaughtered 100,000 or more innocent civilians and 4500 and counting of our kids…all after keeping Saddam contained for a decade w/ no loss of any U.S. lives and at a tiny fraction of the cost.
            We also destroyed the country and let loose religious and ethnic hatred that Saddam had controlled. We will spend at least a trillion $$ for the disgusting war and be responsible for the country for yrs to come…Why don’t you rightwinger whiners complain about the trillion $$ and lives lost there??
            Oh that’s right,it was done by a Repub…Hypocrites all!

          • cr747

            denniso,,
            Sorry to let the air out of your balloon,,but there were WMD found in Iraq.. I helped fly them out.. Flew them to Canada..There was a picture of them on the internet a while back of them being loaded for transport..All I can say at this time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • denniso

            You’re a rightwing zealot who has secret info on actual WMD found in Iraq and you aren’t coming foward w/ the info?? Sorry,but you’re over the edge…

          • eyeswideopen

            Cr747, you just busted yourself. You have now devulged classified information and you will be held accountable. You can’t be so stupid as to think this site isn’t monitored. Just had to play big shot, didn’t you? We will just have to wait and see if you are lying won’t we. Did you take pictures? Come on, why not share your evidence? Your career is now over anyway. If you keep showing up on this site, we all know you are a liar and don’t have anything to do with the military. If you vanish, we will know you got busted for opening your big mouth about classified info. Did you not pay attention to the radical militia who was just busted? They tracked them for 1 1/2 yrs. on internet. One of the guys moniker on internet was Pale Pony. When I hear cr747, on the news, being busted for being a “big Mouth”, I will be lmao. People like you have no integrity when they can’t control themselves and spread classified info on the internet. You have no honor or ethics.

          • cr747

            denniso,,eyes,,and old man coalminer,,

            Go to this website and read for yourselves::
            http://www.c-span.org/Britdossier.pdf read for yourselves..

            coalminer what country are you from that you get to old to fly??
            You are a fruitcake..There’s a lot of things I could teach you but,,seems as though you don’t comprehend to much when listening..

            I still fly and fly practically everyday..LOL I know a lot of people older than me still flying.. For your information I am not as old as you think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • cr747

            eyeswideopen,,
            This is not private,,classified,,information..If you would watch the news or read the paper you would have seen it all laid out in front of your eyes..Hell,,it was even on the internet not long ago.. the name of the chemical,,as was stated was a chemical agent called Sarin..There’s nothing there to hide..It was in color on TV,,and the newspapers for everyone to see..

            I might have been born at night,,but it sure as hell wasn’t last night..I know what I can talk about and what can’t be said..
            Evidently I must be trustworthy,,they still contact me quite often!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Russ

            These comments about how wrong President Bush was about the Iraq war are wrong in themselves. I have a list that I found on the internet listing a whole bunch of the democrap leadership that had made statements telling all of us how horrible, terrible, inhuman, and about the weapons of mass destruction that Sadam had at his disposal and reasons why he needed to be removed from office. The names, dates and places were also listed. Of course when we found no atomic weapons, or large cashes of chemical weapons after Sadam was defeated, all these democrap leaders quickly changed their tunes for political reasons, in effect announcing that they had lied about the alleged problem in Iraq as if that was the only problem with Sadam. Then we elected Obama and the campaign promises that had flowed all became known as obvious lies that were clearly demonstrated as such during the one sided development of the Obama Health Care debacle behind closed locked doors. Lets face it, many people will support their political party, no matter how bad it performs, particularly the democraps who don’t know no better…

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            cr747,

            LoL….They just keep letting their motor-boat mouths overtake their PLLL pea brain thought process! Hard to understand why someone who has such limited knowledge of military protocol,etc….would continue to embarrass themselves….again…and again…and again…………

            Fed Up Gal

          • cr747

            Russ,,and Fed Up Gal in NM,,
            Russ you are so right,,if the Democrats did not think of it,, then it is a bad deal..True they can’t stand it that GWB had a double approval rating over Obama,,so they have to drag up some lame brain stuff that does not mount to a hill of beans..Speaking of beans,,the Democrats are all full of GAS which usually turns to $h1t,,and you know as well as I know that gets to stinking after a while..Every one of them realize now they screwed up,,and bad..

            Fed Up Gal in NM,, there’s some people on here that would argue with a fence post..They do not read or listen to common sense,,and they will bitch about something that happen 3-4 years ago.. They had picture’s of WMD’S all over the internet,,TV,,Newspapers,,and naturally the dog Democrats said it was Banana Pudding,,or something of that order..
            Bush being the True Patriot that he was let it fly over without starting a costly stink like the Democrat’s wanted Him to..

            The Democrat’s are done now,,you can stick a fork in them..It’s over for the cry babies..Hey I am a Registered Democrat,,but I knew better than to Vote for The Back Stabber that’s in office now,,and I will not not vote for anyone that voted for the Health Care Package..In better terms the package that will kill a lot of our UNITED STATES CITIZENS..Half of the one’s that voted for it,,hadn’t even read it all.. How stupid do they think the AMERICAN PEOPLE are??DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            GOD BLESS ALL,,and GOD BLESS AMERICA..”"PLEASE”"!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Tom Kaighin

            Brit report has moved: http://www.bigwobber.nl/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Britdossier.pdf is where it resides at the time of this posting

        • Louise

          Amen!

          • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

            Obama an expert on Constitutional law should know that a usurper is ineligible for the Office of the President. One cannot faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States because;

            His every act in the usurped Office of the President is a criminal offense as an act under color of law that would subject the People to the deprivation of their constitutional rights, and entitling no obedience whatsoever from the People;
            As a usurper acting in the guise of the President you could not legally function as the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy and of the militia of the several states, as such forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to you;

            No one in any civilian agency in the Executive Branch would be required to obey any of your proclamations, executive orders or directives, as such orders would be legally VOID;

            Your appointment of Ambassadors and Judges to the Supreme Court would be VOID ab initio (i.e., from the beginning), no matter what subsequent actions the Senate might take as well as rendering any such acts by such appointed officials void as well;

            Congress would not be able to pass any new laws because they would not be able to acquire the signature of a bona fide President, rendering all such legislation legally VOID;

          • coal miner

            Eyes and Denniso,

            Don’t you and Denniso get tired of hearing that BullSh**t of his?CR747 would have to be in his sixties,if he is a Vietnam Veteran There is a age limit flying jet planes. He is veteran alright,in his own mind.I thought he left this blog.

          • eyeswideopen

            Coalminer, yep, the BS just flows from his mouth. Can’t believe the people here don’t connect the dots. Guess they don’t care if one of their own lies and makes up such idiot facts that a child could bust him out. Who was it that was claiming he had a Ph.d, was that Berb? Then after I busted him, he claimed he was just joking? Maybe our job is to just keep them honest on this site. lol. Hang in there.

          • cr747

            coal miner,,
            Why would you think I would leave such interesting crap from such an old goat like you?? Are you jealous that I know how to fly a fighter jet,,and you can’t even sit down in one..You want to cry on my shoulder,,or would you like for me to take you for a ride in one of the old F-4 Phantom II McDonald Douglas 2 seaters used for dog fighting in Nam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • cr747

            Louise,,
            I can’t believe that you would listen to someone as low as denniso,,eyeswide-shut,,”"evidently,,”"and the old coalminer.. I am beginning to believe he doesn’t know the difference between coal,,and snow..I think he’s been shoveling snow and thinking it is coal,,and froze what little pea brain he had left..It is for sure he does not know the difference between right,,and left,,or he would have seen the article on at least one of the news affiliates..He is just full of that Democrap GAS that I was speaking of,,and it turned to $h!t,,and clouded up his EYES..Poor thing,,he must be so feeble he gets confused easily..He may have that disease called alchohammer..Since you don’t understand so well that is hammering the alcohol a little to much..

            He stated he does not believe in GOD.. So that ought to tell you something..Maybe 2/3 shy of a full deck..Speaking of deck,,I would like to take you on a flight with me and,,land on the DECK of one of the older Essex-class carrier flat top ships..Well I know you would have to have a change of clothes,,it’s know doubt you would $h!t your pants..Maybe not such a good idea after all..Wouldn’t want you to have a heart-attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Denniso,

          You might want to be careful about throwing stones from your glass house of leftist supporting roommates, like Bill Ayers and the rest of those Peace Loving Liberals….AKA….murdering Weather Underground members.

          Fed Up Gal

        • http://aol wayne a

          denniso,in the beginning,americans were not against going back into iraq.in fact most supported it because they thought it would be a short stay.and congress voted 100% to go to iraq. next, the economy experts said that the downfall of our economy started in the last 11/2 to 2 yrs of the clintons term.they said he was advised of what would happen to fannie mae,etc. but chose to do nothing.granted bush didn’t do much either.as far as obama and jobs,obama’s stimulus bill did not add jobs!the unemployment rate is still above 10%.last week it was announced there 260,000 jobs added then they turn around and said they had almost twice as many new claims for unemployment.they said the 260,000 jobs were not new but openings that they decided to fill.as far as obamas bill to help people from losing their homes,because of the red tape and confusion a little over 1% has been helped so far because of obamas bill!

      • derVenerschnitzel

        I guess you liked the part where Barry the Bolshevik taunted Americans… everything but a nanner nanner nu-nu. There were twice as many Americans against this bill as were for it. The math is simple… 2/3 against amd 1/3 for… or 2:1 for the s…l…o…w ones.
        Castro loved it… and that alone should put it in perspective. We do not need another experiment on socialed medicine since it does not produce quality nor innovative care. We were the best, now we are like everyone else.
        The government has ruined Social Security, the post office is going broke, government medicare needs fixing… so the fix is socialism? The Department of Energy was instituted August 4,1977 by the Carter Administration, TO LESSEN OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL. Bottom line, we’ve spent several hundred billion dollars in support of an agency that has been a total failure… AND NOW IT’S 2010, almost 33 YEARS LATER, AND THE BUDGET FOR THIS INEFFECTIVE DEPARTMENT IS over $24 BILLION A YEAR, THEY HAVE 16,000 FEDERAL EMPLOYEES, AND APPROXIMATELY 100,000 CONTRACT EMPLOYEES… all of which are nothing more than a government entitlement! Are we less dependent on oil?
        With this track record… this is also your government healthcare. Chocked full of Deadbeats, supported by noncontributing deadbeats. Welcome back Carter!!!

        • Jana

          Got this in an email today and thought it very appropriate :

          “So they just passed a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he didn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that exempts themselves from it, signed by a president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and better yet it is to be financed by a country that’s broke?” – the great M. T. Schmidt

          The only thing they left out was it will be enforced by the IRS.

          • Russ

            The First Amendment gives us the right, not just a privilege handed out by the government (democrats) to speak our minds on just about any subject, maybe except for yelling “FIRE” in a crowded theater. The problem is that the First Amendment doesn’t specify that what we say also has to be the truth and to state only facts. All these opinions are not worth the hot air being spit out when saying them, except for when you go to vote in an election. Then they are only worth just one vote. So in my humble opinion, all you left wing liberals are just full of excreta, and lots of it when expressing your humble opinions. Of course even dead people and prisoners get to vote in Chicago where Obama came from. Now that ought to tell you something to think about.

          • chad

            just look how good of a job they are doing in the gulf of Mexico, health care will be this on steroids

        • http://aol Don

          2/3 against it and 1/3 for it. You forgot to mention over 1/2 for single payer.

          • Jana

            Besides Don, that is among the Dumbocrats only. So that makes the majority of the POPULATION of this country that DOES NOT want it.

        • http://aol Don

          derV We were the best? When insurance companies act like death panels – they cut off insurance for children and adults. Then families go bankrupt or family members die due to no insurance that they paid for. Is that really the best we can do? I get tired going to fund raisers for these people that got screwed by the Ins. companies. How much money have you donated to these famalies?

          • Jana

            Don,
            At least you were able to decide whether you could afford to donate, and you could decide how much to donate, but now you have no choice. It will be taken from you. Good job.

          • Meteorlady

            Tired of going to fundraisers???????? I contribute every time someone needs help with medical bills. Only though if it’s of no fault of their own. That’s called ‘FREEDOM” – it means that I can give my money freely to whomever needs it.

            I simply love all you liberals and socialists. I work hard for a charity here in my county. We just built our 50th Habitat house. On the all volunteer crews there is not one single liberal, mostly independents and fiscal conservatives. There are numerous small businesses that volunteer supplies and workers to help out. That’s the difference – liberals think you are entitled to take our money and spread it out to people we don’t even know, probably would not support if did, and in the end create more poverty dependent people than we had before.

            Bet you have never gotten off you butt and volunteer for anything in your community.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Meteorlady,

            Very well said!

            Fed Up Gal

          • Joe H.

            Meteorlady,
            The worst part is some of these do nothing, work nowhere, lay on my fat azz, types will be taking away from the true needy you donate to as now you will have less to donate!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, I live in a 99% redneck, conservative area. There are almost no dems who live in this area for a reason. Therefore I never see any at the functions I volunteer for. So what is your point. Location is everything. If you lived in a black area, would you expect to see a ton of whites? People live where they are comfortable, maybe the dems stay away from where you radicals go, as they don’t want to be shot for having a bumper sticker on their car. lol

      • http://MozillaFirefox DeeC

        What needs to happen is you need to be sick without a job and no health care. When are the republicans going to realize that healthcare is a right not a priviledge? Why is it that the rest of the world has figured this out except the U.S.? It’s because it’s not the Republicans IDEA!!!!! You are seething with racially motivated indignacious jealousy that a black man can have the power, drive and strength to pull off such a monumental task. All of you should be ABSOLUTELY ASHAMED of yourselves.

        • Palin12

          As Ronald Reagan would say “there you go again!” It’s not Obama’s skin color that I don’t like, it’s his socialist policies. I don’t care for Pelosi’s policies either, does that mean I’m a racist against my own race?

          • Palin12

            Speaking of pelosi, it’s her 70th birthday today. I heard one guy say he thought she was in her 50′s. That poor idiot really needs this health insurance to get his eyes checked, and probably his brain too. I think she looks more like 80, even with all that plastic surgery.

          • http://aol Don

            She is still younger than your man McCain, if age has anything to do with it?

          • Palin12

            Don don’t you have any sense of humour? I’d go nuts if I didn’t. A long time ago I figured out at work if I was really mad at a supervisor and cussed him out it would just make things worse, but if I just laughed at him, what could he do?

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Don,

            No….age should not have anything to do with it….well, except from the standpoint that with age comes wisdom….and it seems Pelosi’s wisdom froze up from absorbing too much of that botox that seeped around that deceptively frozen smile. So, in her case…maybe age should be considered…since she can apparently no longer utilize her gray matter for what it was intended.

            Fed Up Gal

        • John

          DEEC, many of have been there, many of us have hard financial times and not one red cent of assistance did we get. We spent our own resources. I know trhat’s not a concept the liberal entitlement mentality ever heard of. NO, healthcare is not a ‘right’. In case you haven’t figured it out there are many privileges that are not ‘rights’, but then most all liberals have the entitlement mentality, apparently you do. All the rest of the world does not have socialized medicine and whatinell has race got to do with any of it? pelosi, reid (and Hilly) are equally responsible, any racism there? Why do liberals bring up the ‘race’ issue? Is it because you can’t think of anything constructive to argue/discuss your point?
          Not seething with anger about his race, it’s this arrogant, narcissistic person having gotten elected without being qualified and his lack of concern for anything except getting this absolutely catastrophic bill passed (small surprise), 3 branches of our(?) government are controlled by liberals. There are other issues about his inabilities but another discussion. They should be ashamed of pushing this osamacare through instead of researching the existing SOCIALIZED medicine systems that other countries have. Then having bipartisan meetings (only one) to discuss what (if anything) about socialized medicine would be best for the US. osamacare will be the begining of the end of the US having the best healthcare in the world.

          • usmadgirl

            John,

            Sorry!!! I didn’t read your comment BEFORE I posted mine. It almost looks like I copied it! I guess conservative minds think alike. I just got so angry when I saw the “race card” being played AGAIN, that I just switched on my “mean side” & went off – which I’ve been doing a LOT LATELY!

          • eyeswideopen

            usmadgirl, don’t be upset, that is normal for people who are right wing authoritarians. You react first, then read. You can’t help it. At least you see a pattern in your reactions. Try positive thinking for a while, it will help calm you down.

          • usmadgirl

            eyesstapledshut,

            Leave it to you to make a smart comment about my apologizing to somebody! At least my recent “anger” is justified because of people like you & the unconstitutional actions of your “messiah”! Yours is deep-seated!

            It would bother me to think that 95% of the people on this site are as disgusted by me & what I say as they are you & what you say! Despite not knowing them personally, I have grown to value them as like-minded friends. You don’t even care! So how much ARE you being paid by the left to sit on your butt & piss everybody off?

            Why don’t YOU go somewhere & “think” about WHY you like to do that!

          • eyeswideopen

            usmadgirl, I really am worried about people like you, who are so filled with hate that they don’t think, they just react. If you think of the positive things you have in your life, it will have a calming effect. You have let your party politics affect your emotions. We are all Americans first and members of a political party second. Don’t let the second one cause you to lose your perspective about life. I will pray for you tonight.

          • usmadgirl

            eyes,

            You are absolutely impossible! You are the pot calling the kettle black! Have you suddenly turned over a new leaf? Have you had some sort of epiphany since your last comment? You are as wishy-washy as they come!

            You don’t have to worry about ME. I don’t HATE anybody! It’s not in my nature to HATE, but that doesn’t mean I don’t despise everything you SAY you stand for. Or maybe this is just some sort of wicked game for you or your way of getting attention? You KNOW that you’re the one “filled with hate” or you wouldn’t be here!

            We all know that you’re just here to stir up chaos. That’s the way your side works; so don’t tell me to calm down. I’ve been calm all my life & never said anything mean to anybody unless they hurt me first!

            I’M not the one who’s lost perspective on life. I haven’t let my “party politics” affect my emotions. I just don’t like the way our constitution & the entire system of governing is being completely ignored by YOUR side! Unlike you, I don’t have to have or want someone leading me around by the nose, telling me everything to do, in order to make it in this world. It has nothing to do with “party politics”, it has everything to do with your “dictator” intentionally collapsing our economy & our entire system of government! I don’t want the government telling me I HAVE to buy their product. Who do they think they are, SEARS? They’re not a “sales & service” company! They’re not supposed to be SELLING ANYTHING. Their ONLY job is to protect us & our borders…PERIOD!

            Yes, we’re all SUPPOSED to be Americans first & party second, but you’ve gone way beyond that on this site. From the statements you make about this country, I don’t know how you can feel like an American. You don’t seem to approve of anything about this country.

            I pray for everyone on this site – not just the ones whose views are similar to mine! I appreciate your offer to pray for me, but you’ve made me leery of even that. You see, you’ve said so many nasty, hateful things to just about every conservative on this site, that you’re like “the little boy who cried wolf”; so nobody knows if they can even trust you to pray for them without waking up tomorrow with warts or some dreadful illness!

          • Meteorlady

            USmadgirl:

            Eye is not worth your time. In order to care or be concerned about what someone says to you or about you, you have to have respect for that person. Just remember that and forget about it. She gives the same tired arguments, rails against the corporations that made this country economically strong for years, want us to be like Venezuela and Argentina, and in the log run she will either be collecting benefits or footing the bill for them. Most likely collecting.

          • usmadgirl

            Meteorlady,

            I know you’re absolutely right. There are some here whose comments I don’t even read anymore; so I guess I’m going to have to do that with eyes. An intelligent debate is healthy, but all the personal attacks are pointless.

            The libs think they’re so much more intelligent than the conservatives, so why is it that THEY have to have the government take care of them? They just sit on their “donkey butts” & steal OUR money so they don’t have to work! But they’re not as smart as they THINK they are! When all those “evil companies” (that employ conservatives) close because they can’t afford to pay for the ridiculous taxes & exorbitant “health care” hoax, what are these “brilliant” blood-sucking leeches going to do? Common sense has “left the building”!

            It’s so difficult for me to understand why ANYBODY would WANT to turn this country into Venezuela, Argentina or Cuba! Some on this site STILL actually think that O-dumbo & his thugs are stupid & don’t understand economics. They STILL don’t realize that he’s doing this intentionally to collapse the entire system. (O-dumbo is on my TV AGAIN so I “muted” him!) Until 18 months ago, I didn’t realize that people like the criminals ruining our government, even existed, not in OUR country; so I’m still in SHOCK!

          • Meteorlady

            USmadgirl. I know that there are a lot of people that firmly believe that we need to help them. I do, when they deserve my help and help themselves. But that’s Freedom and it makes me feel good. I have just decided that I won’t even bother with Eyes anymore because you cannot talk to a tape recorded message. I’ve learned this from other encounters with true brainwashed liberals and you CANNOT change their minds because they do not listen, have no common sense and reason is beyond them. Even with evidence in front of them they still hold tight to their beliefs.

            There are people in my state that are talking dual citizenship and I’m considering it. If we can’t get the government turned around and all the freebies cut back, I can’t afford to live here anymore. There’s just too many people with their hands in my pockets. Either that of I wish everyone that actually has an income would stop paying taxes and see what happens. The government cannot possibly put us all in jail.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Marilynk1

            Medicare, Social security, veterans benefits, medicaid, social security disability benefits (which I receive since I am the victim of Lupus, Fibromyalgia, degenerative disc disease, and other problems. I used to hike places like the Grand Canyon, the Rockies, the White and Green Mountains of New Hamphire and Vermont and eat properly so I was taking care of myself. I am a well educated person with a masters degree in education and taught health and food and nutrition!), SSI are all what you refer to as “socialized medicine/programs” but if you ever would find the need for them I am sure you would take advantage of them for the sake of survival. They are there for us to continue to exist as best as possible. Try living in our shoes as it sure is not a fun place to be. I chose to be a stay at home Mom until my youngest was in school full time and forego the big vacations, etc. I did not choose to get sick and have an ugly gene come to the forefront and take over my body. Life deals us our hand and I, for one, am glad for different aspects of this bill.

            Take time to read what will be happening this year and over the next few years and you might find there is something you are ever so glad for. I just found out about the CLASS act. I cannot get long term medical insurance any more. The CLASS Act is for employers and employees to pay into and after 5 years, a disabled or senior needing help and who doesn’t want nursing home life, can get monthly stipends to help pay for in home care, the wave of the future. This is a great hope for younger people like me, 54, who had the unfortunate bad hand dealt of getting sick at a younger age and didn’t get longterm care insurance in time.

            I am grateful that my daughter graduating from college will still have coverage as she still needs her masters plus 30 hours for a school psychologist. Finding work around here last summer was impossible At least this time, she has a degree while she takes a year to earn money to apply to grad school around home. She has a huge athletic scholarship and academic one as well and will graduate with honors. She is a good prospect for employment outside of her field but so are many others. The under 26 law will be vital to a Mom on disability while her daughter looks for a job with benefits.

            People with an easy life are ones to not care so much but those whose lives are hard day to day need this.

            Rushing to judge before knowing all the facts with THOROUGH understanding and listening to biases can be harmful to your health!

        • Jim

          Dee, it amazes me when people get on the race kick whenever someone doesn’t agree with Obama. I never once heard that from the media or anyone else when we had the late Kennedy ridicule and rip apart Clarence Thomas. Nor was race ever mentioned when Alan Keys ran for president. I, an English American, would have voted for him in a New York minute.

          • usmadgirl

            Jim,

            So would I (have voted for Alan Keyes)! It was OK for everybody to call Clarence Thomas an “uncle tom” & everything else, because he’s conservative!

        • momof4

          DeeC,
          Americans don’t want Obamacare. Americans don’t want the govenment deciding for them instead of Doctors. I can’t believe the blind trust Dems give the government. Do you really think this is about healthcare at all? It’s all about power and control and redistrbution of wealth. Sad how some people feel it’s their right to other people’s money. Besides what has the government ever did that was good. All this healthcare bill will do is enslave people. I myself do not want to be a slave to government. I want freedom!! And please stop with the racisism crap,it’s getting old.

          • obama

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        • usmadgirl

          DeeC,

          Health care is NOT A RIGHT. Our rights come only from God! NO RIGHTS come from the government!

          If the rest of the world has “figured it out” then why are WE the only country that has the best health care in the world & anybody who doesn’t want to die before they can even SEE a doctor, has to come HERE for care?

          And you know what you can do with your “RACE” crap! WE ARE ALL SICK TO DEATH OF IT! You don’t know ANY of us! We could care less that O-dumbo is HALF black! It’s not the color of someone’s skin, it’s their character & he has no character other than being an evil Marxist racist “want-to-be dictator”! And, what exactly was that “monumental task”? The health care lie that 70% of the American people don’t want? Give me a freaking break!

          Why would ANYBODY be “jealous” of someone so arrogant & narcissistic to think he has the right to change our great free Capitalist country into a total piece of Communist waste like Venezuela or Cuba that 75% of the people despise the very thought of? Why would we be jealous of someone who hates this country & the very foundation of our system & the Constitution of what USED to be the Land of the FREE until HE got into office?

          In the months I’ve been on this site, other than 2 so-called “conservative” racists (that we all reprimanded & they vanished), the only ones who have even brought up “RACE” have been you pitiful progressives who think the world owes them a favor just for existing!

          I don’t have health care now because I can’t afford ANY health care – not private & certainly not O-dumbo care. I HAVE had to go to the hospital WITHOUT insurance. Thank God, other than having cancer 30 years ago, I’m rarely sick, but when I have been sick or injured, I was treated & paid for the care myself. If I couldn’t pay it all, I paid payments! Nobody in this country is allowed to “DIE ON THE STREETS” unless they choose not to seek care; so don’t you or O-dumbo run that crap on us!

          • eyeswideopen

            usmadgirl, you admit you can’t afford healthcare, and now you are mad that you will be able to afford some now that healthcare passed??? Something not quite right in your thinking.

          • Joe H.

            USmadgirl,
            with this bill you will be even less able to affordhealth insurance. the isurance companies have already said they are going to have to raise their rates! The bigger employers have already said they will dump their employees on the medicare and medicade as they won’t be able to afford it. Among them is caterpiller,and if they can’t afford it, you sure can’t!!!

          • Allan

            Revealing comment from eyeswideopen:

            “usmadgirl, you admit you can’t afford healthcare, and now you are mad that you will be able to afford some now that healthcare passed??? Something not quite right in your thinking.”

            Occasionally a comment reveals a fundamental difference between progressives and conservatives. EWO is unable to process the concept that someone doesn’t wan’t an entitlement they believe is wrong. There’s a lesson in that if progressives are willing to give it some thought. Could it be that people opposed to the healthcare legislation aren’t racist, uneducated, selfish, violent, hypocritical, misinformed, unable to understand, etc. Could it be that their opinion legitimately differs? Progressives are obligated to believe this is imnpossible…it would mean having to admit that their bill, their congress, and their president did not represent the will of the majority.

          • usmadgirl

            eyes,

            There’s absolutely nothing wrong with MY thinking. I live in REALITY! I’m assuming that you REALLY think that CHEAP or FREE health care is ACTUALLY going to exist! You truly are living in a liberal “lala land”!

          • usmadgirl

            Hey JoeH,

            I know that, you know that & most people with a brain know that! Eyes is living in another dimension! I don’t know why I even respond to her progressive puke!

            I had group insurance with the title company I worked for before I went out on my own. It cost about $40.00 per pay period (on the 1st & 15th). When I left, to convert it to an individual policy, it was going to cost $600.00 per month (16 years ago). That was almost half my salary at the title company. I was just starting on my own & was terrified that I might not ever make a penny so I certainly couldn’t commit to that.

            I’m wondering why Caterpillar, Verizon, AT&T & all the other big companies don’t just tell the government that they don’t have to comply with their unconstitutional HC bill so they can stuff it up their Marxist butts! That’s what we should ALL do. If everybody stuck together, how would they fund the stupid bill & what are they going to do, put us ALL in jail? Or maybe call O-dumbo’s National Security Force or INTERPOL? They can’t shoot us all either.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Allan,

            Kudos! You summed it up quite nicely.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Jana

            Allen, You have it right, and the progressives can’t figure it out. It is beyond their mentality to comprehend this concept.
            Thank you for saying it so well.

          • Lewis Munn

            After a lifetime of making decent money, and raising a family, when I got old I ended up on the government medical. I could not afford it then, and I cannot afford it now.

            I keep getting told by the hospital here to get it checked, get it done, and you are covered, but I then get sued for big bills that are not covered. Obamacare has made no differences, except my meds now cost significantly more!

            And I am told that if Obama or one of his henchmen do not think I am worth letting live, I will be snuffed! My input to my scattered family, and my many grandchildren, will be chopped off, and they will never learn all I have over a long life, or hear the family stories.

            I admit to being biased, but I can still care for myself, and my cats! But the costs of things continue to rise as our money is debased by the Government, just as Germamy did before WWII, and I hear the rumblings, and find keeping up my life harder and harder. Prices rise, SS no longer has a COL built-in, compliments of Obama! SS is bankrupt, and Obamacare takes away from we who paid in, to give to those who never put in a penny, and often are illegally in the USA.

            It is very frustrating to see, personally, how our nation, through our government, treats most of its its old and experienced, but often poor, these days.

            Based on family history, I will have another 25 years of progressively greater poverty and lack of medical care, unless snuffed out by the Liberal (ha ha) government first.

        • RAY

          THIS BILL FOR THE WONT WORK CROWD WHO WAS BORN, THEN PLOPPED DOWN AND CRIED-IM HERE, YOU OWE ME, SO TAKE CARE OF ME

        • tedcrawford

          Deec: Sadly your views, like many others I’ve seen, make it crystal clear that America, still, is not ready for a minority president! I would never have considered that the strongest argument against this would have been brought foreward by someone that claims to support it!
          For many years now I’ve discussed with people the possibility of a woman president. The vast majority of them including,surprizingly, many women, believed we were not ready for that! I argued that we were, now it is clear to me I was wrong! Anyone who found themselves in disagreement with the policies of such a president would be branded as a sexist and their arguements dismissed!
          Just for your information, I’m not a racist! In fact I owe my life to a black man! He was a very good man and one of the best friends that I have ever known! His name is, sadly on the wall. I detest this president because of the color of his politics, not his skin! ! !

        • David

          You have a right to pay for health care like the rest of us!! Get off your fat butts and work for it. You are not entitled to get it for FREE. I’ve worked hard for what I have. All you dems like to Tax And Spend. You will see a revolution again if this keeps up.

          • imu

            I am with you. I have never taken any money from the government even in times when it would have helped, because I was brought up differently. Those who refuse or care not to work or feel that they are owed need to realize one thing, without freedom ( which is slowly being taken away from us) we as a nation will only suffer the consequences that this current government will perpetuate upon us.

        • J C

          Oh Look! The “race card” again. I’ve got you commies figured out by now. “Racists” is code for ~ I don’t have anything intelligent to say so I’ll just call you names ~ Pathetic, frightened children you are.
          I absolutely loath Obama’s color….RED…Communist RED!
          His skin color simply isn’t relevant.

          • Ellen

            Yes J.C. I have always paid MY OWN health care, AND that was FREEDOM! THIS race card makes me sick!! king bo is red and not good enough to be a REAL true Black man. I have known many, and they were honorable people!! I have also known some lazy butt sittin do-nothins, both white, black, ect. Each race has there undizarbles.

        • George E

          DeeC,

          A “right” is something you can accept or deny. This healthcare bill is not a “right”. It is a “dictate” since we are being forced to take it. We are living under government tyranny.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Marilynk1

            Do you drive? Then you MUST take a driver’s test, get car insurance and although states vary, I must get inspections every 2 years and everyone must have license plates identifying them. So, is that government intrusion or just part of being a car driver and making sure we are safe on the road?

            Health care does the same thing. If vaccines aren’t given, then dangerous diseases would be spread like the H1N1 flu. The government gave out FREE vaccines to stop a pandemic. Was that socializing medicine or being smart for our nations health and well-being?

          • Lewis Munn

            Replying to the comment on H1N1 vaccine. Figures I have seen indicated the vaccine itself killed more people than H1N1. It was heavily loaded with Mercury, a cumulative poison that destroys the ability to think rationally.

            I did not take the Government vaccine, knowing some things about it and what was in it. However, I did take Vitamin C, a natural antivirus that is highly effective. I did not get H1N1.

        • Amerasian

          I am tired of being told I’m a racist especially when they have no clue what race I am. I thought we were all Americans. This is what the Marxist propaganda has been using for years to drive America to this madness. Hitler also used this same propaganda against the Jews. He accomplished his task of blaming a race, gained power and killed millions. In America, the conservatives and Christians are blamed for all the ills of the nation. Beware of what is coming. Our children haven’t been taught civics or our true history and that is why this Marxist propaganda is working for them.

          • JeffH

            Amerasian, you are wide awake on this. Stay alert and let the masses know what is in store…it goes way beyond DC…

          • laura

            Very well said.

            Laura

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Dee C,

          You’re a fine one to talk (NOT)! You should absolutely be ashamed of yourself….for trying to instigate a racial argument.

          Fed Up Gal

          • usmadgirl

            Fed Up Gal,

            Way to go!

        • Meteorlady

          Deec – You should be ashamed of yourself. You rail and demand that I give money for this, money for that, but it all gets lost through waste and fraud. Maybe if all those people that are getting benefits through fraud should drop the benefit so the people that truly need it can have it. But nooooooooooo….. they are entitled even if it’s through fraud.

          If I lost my job I have a choice – COBRA. I have always been able to find another job before those benefits run out. Maybe most of you liberal crybabies should go back to school, finish your education and get a decent job so you don’t have to depend on me and other like me that WORKED for the money they earned.

          The poor people on Medicare are now faced will billions in cuts to their program. That was a program that the government specifically taxed us for, stated that it would be there when needed, and has not reneged on is promise and put it in to expanded Medicaid. Do you think that was fair? So all those people that are now retired, have lost a lot of their savings because of the failure in the housing market and Wall Street (all government induced), now will pay more for health care.

          You should be ashamed that you advocated this. Retired people will suffer because of it, working people will eventually be taxes (they are already thinking of how to sell a VAT tax), businesses will lay off people, but hey….. you will have your government health care.

          • Joe H.

            Meteorlady,
            Are you kidding?? These libbies by their own posts have shown me that they don’t give the first Damn about their elder relatives. All they are concerned about if they get their coverage for free. Boy are they gonna be suprised!!! I wonder how many of these dipwads will be cut out of grandma’s and grandpa’s wills, Mom N Dads too. I’m gonna laugh my assets off if it happens to you progressive, liberal demorats!!! Smile for the cam!!!

        • zack

          Poor DeeC, somebody give her a hanky. BooHooHoo

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

          when you ah’s are penniless, homeless and living under a bridge you will finally see what the king of fools really is, a evil man and if he doesn’t get booted out we are in trouble we will never get out of all you fools out there keep your stupid heads stuck in the sand cause you are a total waste of humanity

        • friend of a sheeple

          the only thing i’m ashamed of is that I voted for him and he is a liar!. I want my vote back

        • Harriet

          Duh? DeeC Where in the constitution does it say I have a right to healthcare? I have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. My right to life means you cannot kill me, it does not mean that the government has to take care of me if I’m sick!!!! What happened to the old values where everyone took responsibility for himself and if help was needed he turned to his family? WE are not obligated to support anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You should be ashamed for being so dilusional.

        • who cares

          DeeC, I agree with you. These right wing nut can’t stand the fact that a person of color can be smarter than they are. Republican party do align with racist groups that is why you align with the GOP. It funny to see them paddling back after the paint has dried on the wall. brain dead people can’t think on their own they need Fox OPINION New for that. Can’t stand the fact a Black man is smater, smarter than brain dead bush. But he fooled you guys.

      • Hugh Jordin

        From the NY Times:

        “… it’s been a hoot watching Mitt Romney squirm as he tries to distance himself from a plan that, as he knows full well, is nearly identical to the reform he himself pushed through as governor of Massachusetts. His best shot was declaring that enacting reform was an “unconscionable abuse of power,” a “historic usurpation of the legislative process” — presumably because the legislative process isn’t supposed to include things like “votes” in which the majority prevails.

        What has been really striking has been the eliminationist rhetoric of the G.O.P., coming not from some radical fringe but from the party’s leaders. John Boehner, the House minority leader, declared that the passage of health reform was “Armageddon.” The Republican National Committee put out a fund-raising appeal that included a picture of Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House, surrounded by flames, while the committee’s chairman declared that it was time to put Ms. Pelosi on “the firing line.” And Sarah Palin put out a map literally putting Democratic lawmakers in the cross hairs of a rifle sight.

        All of this goes far beyond politics as usual. Democrats had a lot of harsh things to say about former President George W. Bush — but you’ll search in vain for anything comparably menacing, anything that even hinted at an appeal to violence, from members of Congress, let alone senior party officials.

        Mr. Obama seems to have sincerely believed that he would face a different reception. And he made a real try at bipartisanship, nearly losing his chance at health reform by frittering away months in a vain attempt to get a few Republicans on board. At this point, however, it’s clear that any Democratic president will face total opposition from a Republican Party that is completely dominated by right-wing extremists.

        For today’s G.O.P. is, fully and finally, the party of Ronald Reagan — not Reagan the pragmatic politician, who could and did strike deals with Democrats, but Reagan the antigovernment fanatic, who warned that Medicare would destroy American freedom. It’s a party that sees modest efforts to improve Americans’ economic and health security not merely as unwise, but as monstrous. It’s a party in which paranoid fantasies about the other side — Obama is a socialist, Democrats have totalitarian ambitions — are mainstream. And, as a result, it’s a party that fundamentally doesn’t accept anyone else’s right to govern.

        In the short run, Republican extremism may be good for Democrats, to the extent that it prompts a voter backlash. But in the long run, it’s a very bad thing for America. We need to have two reasonable, rational parties in this country. And right now we don’t.”

        All in all, pretty shameful behavior… once we were all Americans of cordially different opinions who wanted what was best for our country as we saw it. Now the right wing extremists, the American equivalent of the Taliban, are intolerant of any opinion but their own and are poisoning the GOP in the process.

        The extremist fringe of the Tea Party are no better than Muslim terrorists. They just pray in a different way and miss the point of the Christianity they pretend to have faith in.

        • tedcrawford

          Appearently you missed the movie on how to assinate bush! Not surprizing that a progressive would discount that “little” ,small, inconsequential thing!

        • Meteorlady

          You comment is sad. Right wing extremist? How much liberal crap can you take in and still think? Not much. I am not a right wing extremist. I am a person that worked my entire life, paid my taxes, was responsible and did borrow more than I could pay back, didn’t have more children than I could afford, made the best of my educational opportunities and got a good job and worked my way up. I have always taken care of myself and resent that the federal government wants to now take care of me by taking away my right to spend my money as I see fit.

          I give to charities, spend time volunteering (15 hours a week right now) and love to help people get a leg up if they are truly deserving. I always put money in the jars and cans when someone needs money for medical procedures or needs help paying a medical bill.

          Now the government has stepped into my life and taken my money and given it to whomever they deem appropriate, whether they people with their hands out are deserving or not. If that’s where FREEDOM in this country is going, count me out of here. Because I’m not going to sit and watch my health care, my savings and my wages go down to third world levels.

          The War on Poverty is not working! Since it’s inception poverty per capita has increased 20%. We are creating a class of welfare recipients, not decreasing poverty.

          • cr747

            Meteorlady,,
            Great comment,,and God bless you for giving of your time..As being an attorney I am also an auctioneer..I don’t do auctions anymore,,but I do many benefit auctions for people that have come upon hard times..It blesses my heart to be able to help people that are in need..People will go out and get donations of tangible items from businesses,,gift certificates,,etc::

            They advertise it on radio,,and newspapers,,and word of mouth,,and it always brings out a large crowd..They also make it a point to check and see if it is legit for the ones needing it..98% of the time it is needed..I do not mind helping someone that is in dire need of help..

            May God bless each one of you that go out to help someone that is in need..That is what being an American is all about..It is so sad that our president only thinks of himself,,and no one else..I believe that is called,, “”SELFISHNESS”"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, do you not get it, the reason poverty has increased by 20% is the tax cuts that Bush gave the wealthy, the tax cuts Reagan gave the wealthy. Between 1979-2006 real after tax incomes rose by 256% for the TOP 1% of households.
            Compared to 21% for middle class, and 11% for low income households.

            You need to study what Reagan did and how it hurt the middle class and how the Bush tax cuts did the same. It is not hard to understand once you just read it. Even the MISES Institute that DaveH, raves about,(a conservative think tank), has articles about how Reagan’s economic policies were horrible and hurt the middle class.

            http://www.nccp.org/fafq.html#question9

        • Meteorlady

          One more thing – Reagan was right about Medicare/Medicaid – it’s eating us up in taxes and IT’S BROKE! So much for government run health care.

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, then work to repeal medicare. Go ahead, ask those on this site to kill it and see what they say to you. Those that are getting medicare will fight you to the death to keep it. They are hypocrites, enjoying a socialist program while working to make sure others aren’t allowed the same benefits.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Meteorlady,

            Kudos! And….don’t forget about Social Security….it goes broke this year….4-5 years sooner than projected.

            Hmmmmmm, add up all the government’s business and financial expertiese (ex: USPS, Medicare, SS, etc…etc…etc…) and you end up going broke…closing up shop (like ACORN) and reopening business under another name (ex: United Socialists of America)…hmmmmmm….kind of like…..taxpayer subsidized and thug operated ACORN!

            Fed Up Gal

          • eyeswideopen

            Fed Up, you just proved you know nothing about SS. Try doing a little research and you will understand that your statement is absoutely wrong.

          • Meteorlady

            Eyes – in case you missed it about a day or two ago SS reached the point it was paying out more than it was taking in. Hmmmmmmmmm, maybe you need a fact check.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Eyes,

            LoL….maybe you should reconsider that “dumbed down” far left liberal research you’ve been so heavily leaning on….before letting that motor-boat mouth of yours overide that pea brain thought process.

            Meteorlady – thanks for trying to help ‘ole Eyes here keep up….but I don’t think she wants to keep up….she just wants to spew all that PLLL warm and fuzzy venom.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Lewis Munn

            I paid SS in all my life, under the government forcing me to. The tax started out low, but was repeatedly raised, which became a practical problem toward the end of my work life as it went up faster than my salaries.

            Now the government is taking that away, and adding more taxes. I am compelled to BUY what I supposedly paid, under compulsion, up to 15% of my gross salary to the government to supply me! So in essence, I pay twice, once into SS, and now into Healthcare…pretty steep.

            And where I live, the Hospital has closed down; medical folk are leaving, and so we now have to go 60 miles for care other than bandaids.

            Not sure how closing the local hospital, long distance to travel to help, and making me pay a tax again when I paid a tax all my working life, is ANY improvement!!

            And the med I need, well, in Africa it cost $7/bottle, in Singapore it was $15; here it now has risen to $56, and the government insurance I paid for now no longer covers it.

            Next thing will be when they come around and shoot me for needing a medication!! To save the government money!

            Between driving close medical assistance far away, and skyrocketing prices, and lack of coverage, and new taxes over what I paid all my life, under threat if I did not….what is good about this new “care” that raises prices again, and now I no long have work to help pay! And decreases the availability physically of all treatment.

            And that hits in two steps, so as to tell us it is cheap, and then hit us with the full price after elections are over. What a sneaky way to clobber us older folks on fixed incomes!!

        • who cares

          Hugh Jordin, YOU ARE SO RIGHT.

      • eyeswideopen

        Darrel, dude check your facts, Both houses of Congres were controlled by the repubs, from 1994 to 2007. The Dem’s couldn’t get crap passed, if the repubs didn’t want it right up to Jan 2007.

        • Joe H.

          wrong the lastTWO years of Bushes term were controlled by the dems!!!

          • Meteorlady

            And they spent like drunken sailors. They also set the budgets that we now have in place as Obama’s does not kick in until next year or the year after – I forget.

          • eyeswideopen

            Joeh, wrong, they were installed in office in Jan of 2007. Which means they had a year of control during bubbas admistration. Lord, no wonder we are in trouble, you people can’t even admit that you had control for so long…. Yea, I guess if I were you I would deny it also. BUT REPUBS HAD CONTROL FROM 1995 TO 2007. Since you can’t grasp that here is a visual to help you. http://uspolitics.about/com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, it will be the very first site called Party in Power Congress and Presidency A VISUAL…. This should help you admit who really had the power. Enjoy the enlightment.

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Meteorlady,

          I think “drunken pirates” is a more accurate discription, as I believe our sailors have much more integrity than those in Washington.

          Fed Up Gal

          • Meteorlady

            Thanks – duly noted and a nicer descriptive! Pirates…. I need to remember that.

          • DDC

            Fed Up Gal in NM, thanks for remembering the Navy, hopefully all of you will remember us, the Seals as we leave out to go to Afghanistan in June.
            THANKS AGAIN

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            DDC,

            You betcha! I’m proud of all our military service branches….well of course the Air Force holds a special place in my heart (retired AF/ANG….ooooops…guess that just makes me a bit biased :-). I’m lucky because I’m still working in a job that allows me to help all services with assistance to their military members and families assigned to or deployed from our location.

            I will include you, your unit and families in my prayers. Please know….we are so very proud of you all…Thank you so very much for your service to our country…God Bless You!

            Fed Up Gal
            P.S. I think our state just commissioned the “USS New Mexico”….OooooooRah…..sorry…not exactly sure what the Navy’s “call” is….lol.

          • Lewis Munn

            Agreed.

      • a

        my daughter works 2 jobs & they don’t offer healthcare. she can’t afford to buy health insurance. if she would become ill (say cancer) she would more than likely die from it because she couldn’t pay for the treatments that she would need. so i’m very happy with the health care reform. i think eveyone should have healthcare. & yes bush did lie to the american people about iraq he wanted to finish the war his father didn’t & when it all started to come out what did bush do he pass the blame to someone else he couldn’t admit he made a mistake.

        • Lewis Munn

          And as an older person, I am very very unhappy.

          I paid in the constantly increasing parts of my earnings since I was 16. It started out small, but by the time I was considered too old to work I was paying a good %age of my salary to the government, with the promise of a good retirement and good healthcare.

          Well, now my good healthcare is taken away, and my living allowance is worth less and less each year, as the folks in the government come up with new taxes, and keep making mistakes in what I get that I saved, under compulsion, to come back to me now.

          And I am going to have a chuck sliced off to pay to the illegals and those who choose not to work. And the government is starting to push about taking an early retirement from this world to save them money, and make sure I do not pass on my thoughts to my grandchildren!

          And to those who are so gung-ho on the socialized medicine, I have two friends whose families were upset by socialized medicine, and one has had a half-dozen smart children denied suitable schooling. Socialized medicine, like Procrustes’ Bed…everybody must fit, no matter how much has to be lopped off!

          But you know, if it wasn’t messed with every whipstitch, it might have worked, for me. But now that those who do NOT contribute are being given more benefits than I get, and mine are threatened, gonna be some big problems.

          One of the problems right now is those who are in government who are exempted from what all the rest of us have to live with. And given huge salaries, and first cuts on moneymaking projects, so accumulate big fortunes and cannot understand the common people anymore.

          Maybe we need a law about government people’s salaries. Our forefathers rode their own horses to work in the government, no huge salaries, no jet trips to resorts, etc.

          And no having the government print money based on nothing. You liberals I think have forgotten your History of what Germany did to bring about Hitler…all, of course, for the benefit of the people, whether they liked it or not.

          We have gone from a government of the people, common type folks, to a government of the rich, by the rich and greedy, and for the increase of the wealth of the rich. And the rich never learn from history, do they??

          • who cares

            Lewis Munn, were you for the extending of Bush tax cut to the rich???? GOP was. whether you were or not? You will have to pay $3000 dollars more this year in taxes. But if it makes you feel any better blame the Democrats every body does. funny the party you’ll support keeps on screwing you all over, the party that keeps on given.

          • Lewis Munn

            Who cares…

            Hmmm…how do YOU know what my lifetime voting record is?? I thought we had secret ballots.

            But FYI, your presumption of my voting records seems to be about as far from the truth as possible.

            I have always voted for those parties and candidates who reflected honesty and integrity, third parties, when I was allowed a choice.

            When not, I checked party stands and the record of people, and voted for those that came the closest to my view on good and proper government.

            What is your record? I doubt it is good since you claimed to know mine with no proofs!

      • Ken in Florida

        The conservative viewpoint on almost everything. ” I have mine, so to hell with the rest of the country “.

        Nobody is shoving anything down your throats! The people of this country unanimously wanted this, it’s the few of you complainers who do not want it! Wait till the next election, we will eliminate you once and for all!

    • RAT

      we’ve got a Kool-Ade drinker!!

      Hey, American liberal…. Absolutely it was crammed down our throats… like giving a dog a pill against its will, these democrats forced us to take their medicine! Such an outrage! Now they want sympathy because of some sporadic name-calling and nasty voicemails.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Rat, An then our arrogant president, say’s “the opposition(the repubs) says were headed for armageddon, he was looking for asteroids in the sky__he also said the repubs are going to run on the platform of “Repeal the Bill”__He touted “Go for It!”__I’ve never seen a more arrougant b*stard in my life, pardon my french!__nothing more than Chicago Politics at it’s finest!

        • American

          You are so right! I have never seen such arragance and narcissim in any one person, let alone the one man who is supposed to be the epitome of class. He and his wife both are very low-class yet think they are above us all. The smugness and disrespect for everyone is sickening. How rude of him to address all the republicans in the “healthcare summit” by their first names instead of their formal titles. Never in the history of this once great nation has there ever been such a classless commoner as our president. He calls us racists but demands that we all bend over backwards to kiss his a** because he’s a black man that made it (albeit by illegal and treasonous ways). Kind of reminds me of a black man I used to work for who fired me because I didn’t give him “the respect he felt he deserved” because I didn’t agree with him politically. Someday, this man will look back and wonder why he’s titled the worst president in history and wonder why no one has any respect for him and his wife will be flabergasted that she no longer gets to run around the world acting like a spoiled princess.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            hONEY I COULDN’T CARE LESS IF OBAMA WAS PURPLE, IF I THINK HE’S OUT FOR SOCIALISM, THATS WHAT I FRIGGIN MEAN__DON’T CHANGE THE AGRUMENT TO RACE , JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK YOUR LOSING!___BUT THEN AGAIN LIBS ARE GOOD AT THAT!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            SORRY AMERICAN, I MISTOOK YOU FOR AMERICAN LIBERAL, I APOLOGIZE

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            AMERICAN, I HAVE A 9 MONTH GRANDSON OLD CRAWLIN’ EVERYWHERE AND I’M PAYIN ENOUGH ATTENTION__lol

          • RAT

            American (not american liberal), I agree with all that you say. I thought the same thing when he was addressing everyone at the health care summit by their first names. “Oh, America will think of me as such a casual, friendly, average guy… and I will win them over with my charm”. And then he blasts McCain by saying he won the election. “The election is over.” Basically saying that anything I said during the campaign doesn’t apply now… so get over it.

            What were the voters thinking?!?!!!

          • Hugh Jordin

            American-

            “I have never seen such arragance and narcissim in any one person”… with the exceptions of George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Glenn Beck, and that most arrogant, self-serving egomaniacal blow hard in the US, Rush Limbaugh who loves nothing more than the sound of his hate filled rants.

          • zack

            American well said. If anybody is a racist it is Obama. As a matter of fact he is the biggest racist that I have ever scene. He thinks every one should bow to him, well I can tell you right now I wouldn’t bow to him, shake his hand, and I wouldn’t walk across the street or road to see him or listen to his lying A$$ if someone gave me $500.00. I have to change the channel on TV when he shows his mug, or I hear him on there. I get sick to my stomach seeing him or his wife on there.

        • RAT

          “Chicago politics” indeed. I don’t remember which pundit said it, but they have traded in their gang colors for suits and ties… but they have not traded in their tactics.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            RAT, YEAH, BECK WAS TOUCHING ON THE SUBJECT OF RADICALS IN SUITS AND TIES THIS WEEK.

          • Stick

            You know even the KKK turned in their sheets for the suits, those smart Chicago gangsters, boy what will they do next?

          • zack

            RAT, Obama is definitely sold on himself, and for sure Obama or his wife do not have any respect for anyone other than themselves.I wonder where he got those purple lips?

          • zack

            RAT, I think the Chicago politics may have turned into the Chicago Mafia. A friend of mine that lives there seems to think that is what is going on

        • http://yahoo robert w.

          your right! obama says the republacions will be leaving in november? sorry i don’t see it that way! it was the democrats that traded our freedom for insurance! now we all have insurance but are now ruled by the government? even when the people said no they voted with obama anyway? even nancy P. said i don’t know what is in it lets just vote and after it is law we will see?? obama now says BRING IT ON!! he is the only one that knows for shure what is in it because he wrote it? i have a feeling it says once it is law it can’t be changed?? what’s next? no more elections? if you don’t like it vote republican this nov. i will!!maybe by then we will know what the thing says or does?? and then the people who voted for it will be sorry they did! just like a lot of people who voted for obama,most of them are sorry too??

          • Jana

            Obama is bankrupting our country. We can’t afford Obama and all of his crazy plans. First he gives us the big bailouts and government takeovers, then he wastes a good year on this health care fiasco, he gives us TARP, he is taking over student loans, and doing the job of the banks as well as creating over 150 new agency’s in the Federal Government. He is letting the IRS control this health care fiasco and they are hiring around 16,000 new IRS agents.Now they are trying to discredit the Tea Party people, who are normal USA moms and dads and hard working people.

            Obama is a divider. He is trying to divide this country more and more every single day. All of this and we still have bad economy and NO JOBS.

            WHERE ARE THE JOBS???

          • Jana

            Oh yes, I forgot his latest plan which is to spend around 980 billion dollars to bail out people who are losing their homes because they have no jobs, when he could have addressed the jobs issues last year. In fact that should have been first on his agenda.

          • eyeswideopen

            Jana, are you kidding, you people didn’t even want the stimulus, which prevented state governments from firing more people. Have you looked at the amount your state took in the hand out? Hey, you did know that the repubs are against extending the unemployment benefits again? That party actually hates middle class.

          • Jana

            Eyes,
            No, its you that hates the United States and its Constitution. You always try to bring things back to the past. What about the RIGHT NOW? We are in trouble now. I have told you before but your memory is short so I will tell you again, I have not been happy with what the Republicans have done either, for a very long time. I am a C O N S E R V A T I V E. Now I have spelled it out for you, do think you can understand it and get it?

          • Joe H.

            Jana,
            your antagonizer above will soon see first hand what the aftereffects of Obummer care will be. Her gov is down almost 30 points right now!!! People are voting the incumbents out!!! BYE BYE DEMS!!! HAHAHAHEHEHEHOHOHO!!!!!

          • J C

            Jana, these communists don’t have a clue what the Constitution is or what is in it, let alone the intent behind it. They are a bunch of utopian feel gooders bent on me me me hand outs. But in order to get those “take care of me me me” handouts they need to sell it as a humanitarian policy. It’s very simplistic and shows quite clearly that they are capable only of the most basic “sandbox” reasoning.
            They just don’t get what it is they are giving away with their “I’m so scared, take care of me me me…” childish behaviour.
            The problem with health care is already too much government and a judiciary that allows Ins. co.s to get away with things in the “fine print”. If we had a real system of justice regarding all things including contract law, we wouldn’t need government involvement.
            So the solution to too much government cronyism is not more government. But that is just way too complicated for the government’s more special children….

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Jana, the only jobs any of us are seeing, is the 16,000 plus IRS watch dogs, the Obama Administration are hiring to Ride Shotgun!___Created or Saved jobs?__
            _Yeah, all Government, jobs___IMAGINE THAT!

          • eyeswideopen

            Jana, yes I get it that you are a right wing authoritarian. And I don’t want to accept your view of the world and the Constitution protects me from people like you… you need to take the political test to see just how much of a right winger you are. http://www.politicalcompass.org/test. Bet you rank right up there with hitler.

          • Jana

            Eyes, you are a pathetic loser. We all know you think you are smarter and better than everyone else. When you say authoritarian go look in the mirror as that is yourself you are talking about.
            If you weren’t such a smart alec, people might be interested in what you have to say and might even find something about you that is credible, However, you ARE a smart alec, you ARE rude, and you ARE a bully. You have been eating out of the same gloat jar that Obama has been eating out of.

          • Allan

            From EWO: “you people didn’t even want the stimulus, which prevented state governments from firing more people. Have you looked at the amount your state took in the hand out”

            Once again, conservatives don’t want handouts. If a state takes money, it is not a reflection of voters, but of an insatiable desire to grow. State governments are staffed by legions of un-elected liberals who belong to SEIU and feel there can never be enough programs, services, or employment benefits.

            Secondly, I and others didn’t want the stimulus because it was badly mis-directed. It needed to go to small business FIRST, not to government, which creates only government jobs, which then require higher taxes to pay for them.

            It is unconscionable that state government jobs were considered more important than private sector jobs. Had it gone to small business, Obama’s job creation numbers would have been higher. But it was never intended to be the BEST method of stimulating the economy. It was calculated to look good to those who would help to advance the next step in Obama’s agenda…healthcare.

            Ultimately, Obama will leave many liberals as well as with conservatives along the side of the road…people who will say, “gee, I didn’t think it would go that far”. Some can see this in advance, and are trying to warn about it.

            As for Republicans hating the middle class, I can understand such a remark from people who view everything through the lens of entitlements. If a Repub doesn’t want to GIVE something to someone, he must HATE that someone, eh? Republicans have no motive to hate the middle class, whose votes they need. I’d like to meet an actual Republican you know who would affirm that he/she hates the middle class.

            Interestingly, it’s the middle class that is most upset about the healthcare bill…which was imposed by Democrats (oops, progressives…there are no more Democrats). Progressocrats have pissed off the middle class with the healthcare bill and profligate spending. It will manifest in November, regardless of any opinions on this forum.

            BTW, Republicans/Conservatives don’t consider it their mission to “help the rich”. Money is sought and accepted from the rich by both Dems and Repubs. The difference is that to conservatives, rich people are a logical key to economic development, To liberals, government is the key to economic developmment, and rich people help with getting elected and social engineering. It’s a good marriage…the liberal rich often feel guilty about their wealth and like to blame problems on America’s inequities. I say, let’s resistribute their wealth as soon as possible to help them feel better.

        • marvin

          angel-wanna-be you forgot the i won so set down and shut up ,and if you disagree with us we will get in your face, obama got that from his time with ACORN

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            MARVIN, I KNOW, HE’S THE ONE CAUSING ALOT OF THIS DIVISION IN WASHINGTON BETWEEN REPUBS AND LIBS__IF BUSH WOULD’VE TOUTED SOME OF THE ARROUGANT AND CONDISENDING REMARKS, OBAMA GETS A WAY WITH, CRIPS THERE WOULD’VE BEEN HELL TO PAY__BUT IT’S OK FOR THE LIBS TO CREATE A MOVIE ABOUT BUSH’S ASSINATION, OR HANG A IMAGE OF BUSH WITH A HANGMANS NOOS AROUND HIS NECK AND PARADE IT AROUND__BUT WE’RE SUPPOSE TO SHUT UP,LIKE NICE LITTLE CONSERVATIVES AND NOT BE OPPOSED TO THE OBAMA ADMIN.??__THEY CAN KISS MY BUTT!___AND I BEING NICE FOR A CHANGE !___lol

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            WHAT’S MORE IF THE DEMS DO INFACT ENCOUNTER OPPOSITION FROM US, THEY CALL US RACISTS__TO WHICH I REPLY, GO BACK TO THE 60′S!___I DON’T CARE IF OBAMAS PURPLE, IF I THINK HIS POLICIES SUCK, THEN THEY SUCK ON POLICY.

        • momof4

          Hi Angel,
          Yup, What a jerk B.O. is. What happend to all the hope and change? It seem to me that he is trying to divide us on purpose. I can’t wait untill 2012 to vote the manchild out of office. they are all acting like a bunch of power hungry children. Speaking of children how did you like it when Biden drop the F-bomb? real classy huh.

          • J C

            momof4…we’re getting exactly what O promised…change. Fidel Castro made the same promise and look at all he accomplished. Get ready America….

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Momof4__Yes I did hear biden F-bomb, my husband said “Biden would screw up a wet dream”!___LOL__he’s always putting his foot in his mouth some where the Hill.

          • zack

            You have to over look BIDEN, he is not a very smart man. He reminds me of the credit card commercial they have on TV that shows that goat on a pair of skis, and he start going backwards down the hill. Biden is going backwards. His days are limited also. I had rather have Dan Quayle as Vice President. At least he new when to keep his mouth shut. LOL

      • David Long

        I won’t go bankrupt because health care insurance companies can’t drop me when I am sick and need insurance support the most. I won’t ever have to decide between the death of my child or wife and going bankrupt and being thrown out onto the street. The insurance con of “preexisting conditions” to knock people out of insurance when they are sick is ending, and immediately for our children. Being a woman is no longer a preexisting condition and they are finally going to be treated fairly. Over 40,000 Americans will not die each year because they will have health insurance coverage. The new LAW is paid for, and it reduces the deficit the republicans drove up with their illegal (and unfunded) war, unpaid for drug plan, and other irresponsible spending and behavior. I won’t have to foot the bill for freeloaders going to the emergency room and passing the cost onto me. They will have to have insurance just like they are required to have car insurance to protect the people they hit, and perhaps kill, with their car. Our private insurance heath care system has be preserved, and not taken over by the government. If you like your health care, you keep it. My doctor and I are now in charge of my health care and not the bean counters in the insurance company who make millions denying coverage when needed. Tell me again how this is bad policy for our country?

        Everyone has a right to a doctor. It isn’t a privilege, it is a right!
        The republicans, who by no stretch of the imagination should be throwing stones about political deceit, corruption, and abuse of power, adopted the tactic of defeating President Obama at all costs, ethical or not, for one reason. They want back in power because, they believe, it will vindicate them for their irresponsible and incompetent performance during the eight years of President Bush.
        Live with it!

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          BUSH WASN’T PERFECT, BUT HE KEPT YOUR A** SAFE AFTER 9/11__ALL OBAMA IS DOING IS MAKING OUR ALLIES ENEMIES AND TREATING OUR ENEMIES AS FRIENDS__ALL BUSH’S FAULT,HUH, DEMS WERE IN POWER IN COMGRESS 2 YEARS BEFORE BUSH LEFT OFFICE??—IT WASN’T ALL BUSH__BUT IF THIS HEALTHCARE EITHER SUCCEEDS OR FAILS, IT WILL BE ON OBAMA’S AND THE DEMS HEAD, THE REPUBS WEREN’T INVOLVED AND WEREN’T ALLOWED TO BE__EVERYTHING THEY OFFERED WAS THROWN UNDER THE BUS___THIS WILL BE ALL OBAMAS FAULT.__REGARDLESS!

          • denniso

            Whose a** did Bush keep safe?? Ask the parents,kids,wives and husbands of the 4,500 dead U.S. soldiers in Iraq about that…I wonder if the families of the 100,000 maimed,crippled,scarred soldiers would agree about your safe a** comment. You fools still defend Bush after what he did,especially invading Iraq???

          • eyeswideopen

            angel, so it doesn’t matter that he killed over a million Iraq’s who had nothing to do with Bin Laden? And then you people can’t understand why the world doesn’t like us??? Get real, read some history, and then pray that God doesn’t let us keep killing innocent people. Wait, I know , they are Muslims and therefore they don’t have the right to live…..isn’t that your concept of the world? So sad.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            EYESWIDEOPEN, Get real, read some history, and then pray that God doesn’t let us keep killing innocent people?__
            I do pray, I pray for the thousands of the unborn “the innocents” you liberal pro-choicers allow to die each year!

          • Jana

            Angel, These pathetic Socialists can’t even get their stats together. denniso thinks we killed a couple hundred thousand innocents, and eyes thinks we killed over a million innocents. Sure, that is why when our military was going to bomb a town in Iraq they gave all of the innocents a chance to leave which warned the terrorists, but we still get blamed by the Socialistic Communistic mindset idiots that are on this site for killing innocents.
            They are talking about our kids. Sure our kids went over and killed just to kill.Yep, thats what they did alright. That makes a lot of sense. Of course we know that neither one of them knows what they are talking about.

          • denniso

            Jana…are you really claiming that war doesn’t kill innocent civilians? All war does and the Iraq war is no different,even if we try our best not to kill them. Don’t you remember ‘shock and awe’?
            We bombed the hell out of Baghdad w/ no warning in the night…people(innocent civilians)lived in the city that was bombed. If you don’t know we killed thousands and thousands of innocents…children,babies,pregnant women,old feeble men,as in every war,then you’re hopeless.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Jana, No one likes war, but its a fact of life and is what’s kept us free__I was never at war, my dad and 3 brothers WWII__I would imagine, When your flyin high over head, there is only so much that radars see, there is only so much demographic’s & mapping you can use to determine where the civilians are, and being imperfect, sadly some civilians are gonna die if they can’t get them all out or they drop a bomb in the wrong area__ what is really astounding about these liberals is what you said, is their damn Facts & figures!__I have a hard time wrapping my head around them when,they call those of us who believe in hard work, helping each other out, willing to do go to war and possibly die protecting America, do eveything we can to preserve our heritage, the Constitution and our very way of life, only to be persecuted buy a bunch koolaid sucking turncoats, who rather sit on there ass waiting for Government to tell them what to do next__ Like not to smoke, where not to smoke, how much salt we’re allowed to eat, what kind of healthcare we need, how much more tax they’re going to take, that we’re too fat, to accept the gay life style against our will and the will of God, that global warming is real,__I’m sick to death of their idealogical sh*t!_Ya can’t even get half of them in on a good, debate, because as soon as they get to a point where they have no facts left, or maybe a time or two ya said something that made think, rather than admit it, and they start name calling. I know it’s a free speech, but damn they push the envelope___Sorry I rambled __lol

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Denniso,

            Military service is serious….and so is war. It is not some video game depiction of war…it is real; those who have joined have done so volunarily…of their own accord…they know the risks and they know the rewards.

            What kind of national defense do you think we could have without a military? If I thought for one second that you had a remote understanding of the military, I might think you could make an ounce of sense on the topic. Sadly, you don’t make sense and I don’t believe you have the understanding.

            Fed Up Gal

          • eyeswideopen

            angel;, so it is ok, for us to kill million people, because the were already alive?? You make no sense. Why do you bring a discussion about killing innocent Iraq people back to abortion? Can’t you people discuss anything besides, abortion, guns, and your hate for your fellow Americans??

          • JeffH

            Jana and Claire and Angel…do not waste your time on these socialists. They are the same ones that spit at and cursed or soldiers returning from RVN. They are the same liberal socialists “authoratarians” that believe we owe to America to provide this socialist version of Health Care to every American, whether you’re a crack headed welfare monster breeding for the check or just one of the millions out of work because the liberals and our government listen to people like Al Gore and feel that the environment is more important than the welfare and safety f the American people. Saul Alinsky, their mentor, encourages that type of engagement. Never mind that man is evil. Obama is going to make the world right, that has been the goal of him and his puppetmasters.
            War is hell and there will always be collateral damage.
            Now the master’O is intentionally straining our relationship with Israel, because he is a Marxist Muslim. Everything he is doing is meant to undermine and destroy our great nation. These euphoric minded liberal idiots are living 1960 all over again like DejaVu.
            Screw ‘em, all they deserve is a dose of the truth.

            Is it really a right wing conspiracy or do Obama’s Marxists Ties spell Trouble
            May 2008
            Obama’s shocking associations

            When one looks at Obama, it’s shocking how radical and anti-American his closest associates are. Taken separately, the black liberation theology of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, or fundraiser William Ayers’ unrepentant past as a 1960s terrorist, or Obama’s openly pro-Che Guevara volunteers in Houston might be dismissed.

            •But taken together, and given Obama’s closeness to his friends, it’s fair to ask whether Obama doesn’t share their extreme-left views. Yet whenever he’s asked, he gets mad and avoids the issue.
            http://www.coverups.com/mediacoverups/2008-election/obamas_marxist_ties.htm

          • JeffH

            Angel, Claire and Jana…you see that there is always referances to Bush, which is their justification for joining this Marxist quest to destroy America, just as “killing of 100′s of thousands or millions of innocents”. They refuse to acknowledge that as screwed up as our governmnt has been, this O’Marxist’s intention is to FINISH THE JOB!

            •Maybe that’s not surprising, given that Obama himself began his career as a Chicago community organizer and worked on projects there influenced by Saul Alinsky. The Marxist Machiavellian of the Chicago scene advised budding revolutionaries in his 1971 book “Rules For Radicals” to conceal their radical affiliations to attain greater power. That works well for Marxists.

          • JeffH

            Fed Up…this was also intended for you.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Jeff H,

            Thanks….I was beginning to feel left out…:-)

            Fed Up Gal

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Jeff H, thanks for the link!__a lot has been published on Obama’s ties with radicals__The biggest problem of all we have too many that believe in the Obamanite policy that he and his cohorts spew and not enough who believe,in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness or who are afraid to speak up.__The indoctrination of the liberal rhetoric has worked well to our dismay,_I have began studying about the rise and fall of Rome and the similarities between Rome and the US are breathtaking and not in a good way.__as I’ve said previously_It seems the Rise of Christianity , coupled with power, greed and madness destroyed Rome__Christians were severly persecuted as Rome accused Jesus of indoctrination and feared co-hesion___so much is the same here today, When the Liberals find that Christians who believe in Liberty are a tightly knit group, they do all they can to try and scatter the lambs___all true Americans must stick together, there is safety in numbers, we can’t talk to those who don’t listen,but if we keep talking irrgardless of the outcome, some one in power who believes what we believe, will surely here us. All we can do is strengthen, encourage each other and ourselves__God Bless America

          • usmadgirl

            JeffH,

            Since that May 2008 article, he’s added at least 50 more radical self-admitted Socialists, Marxists & Communists to his list of BFFs! I know you know that, I was just adding to your comment for the benefit of some who don’t! (Like they’d care anyway)

          • JeffH

            usmadgirl…you can bet he’ll keep doing his song and dance routine and keep hiring more “chorus girls”. Like dogs, they will all follow the trail of kibble right into the kennel, except for the few wiser ones that stop and refuse to get in. All we can do is keep exposing these sheeple and Obama for what they are, the same way Beck, Hannity and Rush do. We may not always agree with them 100%, but we do comprehend and understand the message they are delivering just as we understand the message Obama and the Democratic Socialist Party are delivering for their puppetmasters.

          • Jana

            Thanks JeffH, and you are so right.
            These people are the tree hugging drug taking hippies of the past. The funny part is they pretend to care about the made up millions of innocents that were supposedly killed in Iraq. There were a lot of innocents killed alright, but by Saddam and the terrorists, not by us. But the real truth is these people really don’t care about anything other than their own agenda which is to get what they can for free, kill unborn babies, and destroy America.

          • zack

            Boy denisso and eyeswideopen have to be kin, because when they open their mouth nothing but garbage comes out of it. What a pair of nuts. denisso didn’t even know that they had found wmd in Iraq. Shows how much he keeps up with the news

          • zack

            eyeswideopen, I dont guess abortion is not murder? Dang, a poor innocent little baby inside its womb has a heart beat after 2-3 weeks. Is that not a living human being. GIVE ME A BREAK you people are stupider than I thought you where..You people are ruthless, ignorant. Millions aborted every year, and it is alright to kill those little babies. They sure as hell didn’t worn those people in the World Trade Center. Where do you people come from?

        • Retired Marine

          Nobody is dying because they can’t get medical treatment. That’s one of the reasons “OUR” insurance is so high now. The laws that hospitals have to provide life saving medical to all (INCLUDING UNINSURED). You won’t see that in any of the countries that have government forced medical.

          Now just because everyone is able to get insurance, they were before too. WHO’s going to pay for it? “Children” are now considered supportable up to the age of 26. WHO’s going to pay for those premiums? THE PARENTS. Nothing is free. Those are the young adults who are refusing to get their own insurance now. Now if the parents can’t afford to pay for them they get fined or go to jail because of their deadbeat kids.

          How is this going to get paid for when it will force small businesses out of business? More lost jobs and lost tax revenue.

          Damn libs think they are above everyone else and they know better than everyone.

          IF IT IS SOOOO GOOD WHY ARE ALL OF THE SENATE, CONGRESS, THE PRESIDENT, AND ANYONE WHO WORKS FOR/WITH THEM EXEMPT?!?!?! Why special deals with some states not all?

          • American liberal

            Read the CBO report… Stop letting Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh do your thinking…the bill brings down the deficit…

          • Retired Marine

            American Lib.. Do you know anything about math? You can’t spend trillions on anything but the deficit and reduce the deficit. Try that with your checking account or credit card. Keep spending and don’t make any payments to them and see what happens.

            The math they are talking about is called frawd, you right a check to yourself, deposit it into your bank, then spend the money you just gave yourself. Usually gets you a few years of prison love. But, seems to be OK for our liberal government.

          • V Cox

            Life saving care in the emergency room, is not healthcare. Regardless of the ER outcome, those folks do not recieve continuing care. Many would not end up with life threatening conditions, treated as an emergency, if they had insurance and/or preventative care. ER care is not the problem, it is lack of care, period. Everyone talks about the Canadians having to wait for care, in the US people just don’t get the care and treatment they need ever. The current system costs all of us thousands and was a broken system. This bill was an attempt to make the system accountable to the people of this country, not the corporations.

          • Retired Marine

            Yes, the point I was trying to make. I live in Japan, there is a universal health care system of sorts here. Some of it is very nice. However, insurance is not mandatory. Private insurance is very inexpensive, depends on your income. Because there are almost no Malpractice suits here. Ambulances are free. If you are sick you go to the emergency room at the hospital, rates are inexpensive. If you need more specialized care you get can then go to a specialist doctor. However, they will check if you have insurance or the cash to pay prior to any treatment (including emergencies). If you don’t have insurance or the cash to pay for it you don’t get treated, including life saving treatment. Just a couple weeks ago an ambulance had to go to 4 different hospitals before they found one that would take the accident victim’s insurance.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Retired Marine, your right people aren’t dying in the streets because of lack of health care, it was a good talking point of Obama’s and it did, exactly, what he wanted it to, and that is guilt a lot of the liberals into believing it.__and they fall for it__I had very sick family most of my life__even with lousy insurance and for a time a lousy doctor__we managed until the Good Lord took them all home__no one saying it’s not tough__I know and it is and a lot of other folks on here I’m sure did too__but too many people just sit and wait for help to come when they’re in trouble and when it doesn’t come, they want to be blame others for it__God helps those who help themselves__

          • eyeswideopen

            angel, what do you call the 45,000 that died from lack of healthcare last year? Did they have to actually go into the street and die, before you acknowledge that they did? Good idea, maybe the dems can arrange that for all of you who don’t think we have a problem.

          • denniso

            I personally know of people who have died from lack of insurance coverage…one was a woman who came down w/ lupus,her company had previously dropped their insurance and she was faced w/ thousands of $$ in medical costs. She wanted to be able to leave her small assets to her two grown kids and not be a financial burden on them w/ huge med bills…she was 50…she shot herself w/ the gun her son in law had gotten her for self defense. Her kids and family are still devasted after 10 yrs.
            Another is a guy w/ no insurance who came down w/ a stomach ailment and didn’t go to the doctor because he was worried about the cost to he and his wife,both working people and good people in our community. His condition worsened,but he didn’t tell his wife, until he collapsed in extreme pain,was flown to a larger hospital,received ER treatment and died of cancer.

            For anyone to not believe that people are dying because of lack of treatment due to a lack of insurance is pathetic and stupidly blind.
            You deniers are only cheap,greedy self serving hypocrites who don’t deserve to be listened to…

          • J C

            Back that up Eyes…where do you get your figures?
            And how many of them were illegals? How many of them were career welfare? Let’s have some genuine pertinent information as opposed to ball park, off the cuff numbers out of thin air.
            OH…This just in…Liberals make up 67.5% of their statistics 83.9% of the time…. ;)

          • George E

            American Liberal,

            Surely you can see through the CBO’s report that this healthcare bill brings down the deficit. Their report was based only on the assumptions given them by the Democrats in Congress, and as you know many of these assumptions are bogus. For instance, do you really think the government will cut Medicare by $500B? Very unlikely. They don’t have a record of “cutting” spending at any time in the past. Another assumption was that the money employers don’t have to pay to insurance companies for health care for their employees, will be paid to employees in pay raises, and these raises will be taxed as income. We both know that this isn’t going to happen, especially when companies are faced with other taxes resulting from this crazy bill, which is nothing more than another budget busting program that will drive our debt even higher. In a few years it won’t matter much anyway because we’ll be in such debt that the government will have no choice but to cut the entitlements previously promised to us just to pay the interest on this debt. The “free lunch” is just about over, but not without a LOT of PAIN for all of us, not just the truly needy, but ALL of us.

          • http://Don'thaveone Sally

            No one is arguing the fact that we needed healthcare reform. Had the dems done it correctly holding open talks in Congress on CSPAN that was promised, the American public who uses medical plans, could then get involved and make suggestions to their congresional leaders to bring forth – you always go to the people who are doing the job, using the product, etc. for their input. But no, they wanted a bill that ended up being nothing more than a tax period. Medicare and Medicade were broke, they were afraid to tell the Am. people so this was the best way to get funds into those two by promising the moon. However, here is the problem you stupid liberals who can back up nothing, every one has a medical card – whoopeh!!!! YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MEDICAL FACILITY AND DOCTOR THAT WILL ACCEPT THE BLOODY THING. Look what was said above about what happened in Japan. Before this was passed, the reason that health insurance was so high is that people having health insurance had to pay for all the freeloaders, all the people on Medicade, illegals using the hospitals like a Dr’s office. Here in Florida we have walk-in-clinics that are much cheaper than hospital emergency rooms, and you don’t have to make an appointment. If you cannot afford $55.00 for a Dr;s visit, then go to the emergency where it is free. This whole thing is crazy and if it doesn’t get repealed by teing unconstitutional from the law suits being filed by the States, Lord help us. Again, the people who can pay for their services will get taken care of, and all of you dems who can’t because you lost your job, will just have to go from hospital to hospital to find one that will take you. Oh yes, forgot, one of my associates worked for a Dr’s office in S. Carolina. This Dr had been in business for 30 years. He had to close his practice and of course she lost her job BECAUSE ALL OF HIS RECEIVABLES WERE MEDICARE AND THE GOVERNMENT HAD NOT PAID!!!!!! The people with insurance also by the way, are subsidizing what the Dr’s and hospitals get from MEDICARE

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            RETIRED MARINE, Why special deals with some states not all?__I think it depends on who is lithe enough to bend over the fartherest!__LOL

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Denniso_If the figures you post are true that 45,000 died because of the lack of health care, I ask why?_ if these people were in so dyer need of medical attention why didn’t go to Medicaid?__
            It sounds as if we need signs and posters to guide the uninformed more than government run healthcare. Help and guidance is out there, but no one is gonna do it for you!

          • eyeswideopen

            JC, http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE58G6W520090917

            I give you the link, knowing full well that you will just come back with nonsense. Authoritarians can’t acknowledge when facts are in conflict with their beliefs, so I know how you will react. RWA’s always react the same way. You guys are so predictable.

          • Joe H.

            denniso,
            you are going to see a lot more of people getting their insurance dropped. The four biggest non-automanufacturing employers in the U.S. are already threatening to drop their insurance plans as it will be cheaper for them to pay the fine on each and every employee!!! If its that ex;pensive for them it’s going to be expensive for those that are above the cut-off also!!! Man are you DUMB!!!!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Retired Marine,

            Excellent points!

            Fed Up Gal
            (Retired AF/ANG)

          • usmadgirl

            Retired Marine,

            Thank you for the COMMON SENSE comment! Several here don’t know the meaning of the word! Also, thank you for your service! My deceased husband was a Marine (in Vietnam 1967-68). He was a few years older than I am, but looked like he was 13 when he was in Nam!

          • Lewis Munn

            Retired Marine,

            My question exactly, and every time I ask my two Democratic Congressmen that if ObamaCare is so good why they themselves are not going on it.

            I either get NO answer, or a big runaround on how great it is for the “little people”. Guess they are too big to consider themselves part of the people.

            Why I vote against them every election, tho obviously I am in the minority.

            My Republican Congressman answers my letters, explains things, and seems to work with the little man in mind.

            That may be because the Democrats are both very very rich Businessmen and cannot see ordinary persons as people. My other one is not rich, so he knows the reality of working for a living.

            I get letters from the Demos congratulating themselves on all the good they do, but I never run across anybody they have done good for. I guess I live in the wrong part of the state.

            One of mine praises having cheap Mexican labor; helps his farm profits. The other is drunk a lot, and praises himself a lot in his letters, and it seems he helps one person each letter…at that rate he will need many, many centuries to help all of us!

            However, all three seem to want to seal this state’s border tight…so the Demo’s have some good thoughts, but they even seem to find much resistance at the Federal level for keeping the undocumented and trash out!

        • popeye

          the things you talk about are great but it’s all the other junk that has nothing to do with health care. If this bill was so great than why wasn’t it transparent like obama said he would do. If the bill was so great why did they have to buy votes. Why was none of the negotiations televised like promised. Everything was one sided. Listen I agree that reform was needed but the bill that was passed do more damage than good. Most people don’t realize that austria elected hitler with 98% of the vote. Hitler promised everything that we have been promised today. The same things proposed in this bill were already being done in several states which every one was a failure. One of those state was ted kenedy state. That is why mr. brown won because the people knew that the health reform bill being propesed wouldn’t work. Please get educated don’t just repeat information that the media and politicians are telling you. When you do the research and study history I know you would feel differently. Thanks

          • Princess

            Popeye;
            You forgot to mention to all these people who are in favor of this Horrible Extra Expensive Health Care, if it’s so GOOD, how come all Congress and Obama are not giving up their Cadillac Insurance they are using paid by us taxpayers? What is good for the goose is good for the gander! They know there is going to be plenty of WAITING for the services. Doctors are changing careers! Who are going to fill their place? Some had said that Health Care is a Right? It’s a privilege! They are just repeating what their party is telling them.
            Our country soon will be a 3rd. World slum with no freedom and being enslave by those who believed they have the right to control our lives. Wake up and see the dangers tight in front of your eyes! Always listened making sure you are hearing “the correct words meanings”!!! not the “political correctness” meaning. Not everyone has ears to hear and eyes to see.

          • Lewis Munn

            Popeye, there are lots and lots of direct parallels between our current President and Hitler. If you read History carefully, you will find them obvious.

            We are not yet declaring war on surrounding nations, nor gassing Jews, but the killing of babies I think has outdone Hitler’s killing of innocent Jews.

            I have a friend on the ‘Net who escaped from a deathcamp train, and has horror stories of her experiences under Hitler, once he cracked down on the German nation.

            They even had government-induced hyper-inflation before he took over as despot! The parallels are astounding!

            I had good jobs most of my life, but when SS came to compute, I get a significantly lower income than I had earned, so have had to cut back on lots, especially as the inflation rises and rises. And SS does not keep pace. Probably sooner than later I will have to choose between food and a place to live. Sooner under Obamacare, it appears so far!

            I am a little confused that SS was a tax on my income, and now I have to pay tax on the SS itself. Anyhow, I find the liberal arguments on here unconvincing, usually factually distorted, tho some come on who get the free ride and praise it, for obvious reasons. But it is fun to see the give and taske, and the rudeness of the liberals vs rthe studied logic of the conservcatives, for the most part! Namecalling seems to be moastly one-sided.

            But thansk to all who choose to write here; I appreciate both the profound and the foolish comments. Keep it up. I even appreciate the profanity, tho it seems to me the liberals are not too creative.

        • marvin

          David Long SO YOU THINK THAT obamacare will fix the health care cost first driving is a privilage you don,t have to drive so no car insurance so you like the idea of 16 to 17000 more irs agents to make sure you comply with obamacare or be fined or jailed or both and how are you going to make 20 million illegals get obamacare oh you say give them amnesty there for they will have to get obamacare this is the same goverment that run the schools the post office and medicare ss medicade wake up and smell the rot in your dream world the only thing your goverment can run is more and bigger goverment and they do a terrable job at that your goverment makes nothing sell nothing and take what they want and you want them to run your life for you

        • Joe H.

          David Long,
          I guess you didn’t see the report where they, after all the hubaloo about pre-exhisting conditions, left out the children with pre- exhisting conditions???? Seems in their hurry to pass it they didn’t read too well. they promised to fix it but these ARE dem politicians we’re talking about here!!!!

        • Meteorlady

          Every one has a right? You mean that because I worked and paid taxes I get to also pay for you, your wife and your children? Are you going to come to my house and provide any type of service for the money that has been taken out of my pocket?

          Did you not have the same educational benefits I did? Did you take advantage of them so you could be self-sufficent and not dependent on me as a taxpayer?

          I have RIGHT to earn money and keep it. I have RIGHT to giver my money to charities, churches and whomever else I DECIDE it should go to. The Federal Government has no RIGHT to take my money and give it to whomever they deem has RIGHT. That means my rights are gone and the “takers” now have more rights than I do.

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, yep, all those people who don’t have kids, paid for your children to get an education. and if your kids got scholarships, we taxpayers paid for that also. You don’t believe in sharing, but I am sure you wanted your kids education to be paid for by us taxpayers didn’t you??? hypocritical don’t you think?

          • Meteorlady

            Ah…. I don’t have any children so I got to pay for everyone else’s. By the way, education benefits everyone if it’s excellent so I don’t mind paying for other’s children. What I mind is the fact that we educate in foreign languages, we have lowered the educational standards, and we are turning out young adults that can’t even read or write very well. We are also turning out a bunch of lopsided thinkers like yourself whose only defense is personal attack.

          • zack

            eyeswideopen, who pissed in your cereal this morning? You would bitch if someone gave you a new vehicle because it would be the wrong color;

        • zack

          David Long which tombstone did you crawl out from under. You must have been asleep for the last year, and three months. Obama and his insurance just signed the elder-lies death certificate. Wake up to the real world.

          YOU, EYES FLAPPING, Denniso, Norm, and some more on here must be all one family, because none of you make any sense. Do you all know who the Jackass is that is supposed to be president?

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Zack,

            I received the below email today, and it seems to relate closely to your comments here. Of course, I cannot personally attest to the validity…but if true…and if I lived in Texas….I’d be voting to retain that Judge!

            Fed Up Gal
            ============================================================

            Subject: Fwd: Judge Kithil of Marble Falls , TX – MUST READ

            THIS IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL

            Subject: : Judge Kithil of Marble Falls , TX – HB3200 highlighted pages most egregious

            Please read this…….. especially the reference to pages 58 & 59

            JUDGE KITHIL wrote:

            “I have reviewed selected sections of the bill, and find it unbelievable that our Congress, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, could come up with a bill loaded with so many wrong-headed elements.”

            “Both Republicans and Democrats are equally responsible for the financial mess of both Social Security and Medicare programs.”

            “I am opposed to HB 3200 for a number of reasons. To start with, it is estimated that a federal bureaucracy of more than 150,000 new employees will be required to administer HB3200. That is an unacceptable expansion of a government that is already too intrusive in our lives. If we are going to hire 150,000 new employees, let’s put them to work protecting our borders, fighting the massive drug problem and putting more law enforcement/firefighters out there.”

            JUDGE KITHIL continued: “Other problems I have with this bill include:

            ** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.

            ** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual’s bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.

            ** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now – ACORN).

            ** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

            ** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors’ fees.

            ** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient’s age.

            ** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.

            ** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an “end-of-life planning” seminar every five years. (Death counceling.)

            ** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.

            HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on:

            “Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick ‘fix’ to make the plan financially sound for their future.”

            Honorable David Kithil
            Marble Falls , Texas

            All of the above should give you the point blank ammo you need to support your opposition to Obamacare. Please send this information on to all of your email contacts.
            ==============================================================

          • cr747

            Fed Up Gal in NM,,
            I am not zack,,but I can assure you if the Honorable Kithil stated it,,then it is true..I have a copy of the HB 3200,,and it says exactly what is stated..

            Some of the one’s that voted for this bill,,have not even read it through it’s entirety.. It is with shame that the very one’s that “”We The People”"voted into office have left all of us stranded,,”"especially the Seniors,,”" on an Island waiting for all to go to a death counselor to be advised on how to die..

            What an evil bunch that we have in Washington laying this on us,,and stating that we like it..Of course they are all exempt from all this,,and that just goes to say that they do not care about,,”"WE The People”" How devastating this must be to a lot of True Loving Seniors that are being ignored and left to die..It is MORBID!!

            Our United States Government,,and so called president is a sick bunch of people with no feelings for anyone other than themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Lewis Munn

            MeteorLady,

            I was fortunate with my family on Education, as a grandmother had some money to help.

            My kids got a mix of Public, parochial, and home schooling, and have as a result found many problems with having to dumb-down their speech to talk to their contemporaries, especially my son who is just finishing graduate school. He was astounded at how much his fellow grad students did not comprehend of what our family thinks of as normal speaking and vocabulary!

            Public, especially, Schools are dumbing kids down much more that I had realized!

            Bush had his “no child allowed ahead”, and now Obama is revoking religious rights and free speech in schools, like Muslims do in theirs I gather, but is putting in Homosexual theory and lab courses starting in Kindgarten, so the kids know the important fundamental things in American Life.

            Oh, and I just read that school kids even in grade schools have a right to free condoms on demand. I think I missed something in my schooling; I was deprived of my right to licentious behaviour. Wonder if I can find a cheap lawyer and sue!!

        • carol

          Mr. Long,
          You are an idiot. You don’t have a right to a doctor. Doctors are not a commodity
          like soybeans. With B.O.’s health care plan you WON’T have a doctor. Look at what
          is happening in MA. The healthcare system there is melting down. All over the country seniors are losing their physicians because of draconian cuts to the Medicare program. There’s no free lunch!

        • Lewis Munn

          Yes, Obamacare is so good. Prices of meds going up, doctors leaving town, getting sued for accepting care that I was assured was covered, and is not. Some improvements!

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        Better to drink cool-aide then go monkey-slapping with the methamphetamines of Libertarian corporate Fascism.

        Rat-asses are on the run!

        But it’s fun to hear them stop to monkey-slap themselves and each other!

        • JeffH

          UH oh! Here comes the “international corporate socialist” pedaling his wares! Do you buy or die your own rainbow T-shirts, and where can I pick up those rose colored glasses?
          Hah! Tell us again about your love of the “international Corporate socialists”. Please?

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            How much do you get paid for padding Garret’s posts there at Soundview Publishing?

            Do you have any ideas of your own besides the Aynn Rand libertarian Fascism scatocracy politics?

          • JeffH

            Speaking of skata, let me commend you on achieving the dubious distinction of most prolific scatographer. Your crap is pervasive!

          • JeffH

            I have never read any of Ayn Rands books, though I see her mentioned from time to time here. It seems she was a bit of a visionary of sorts, if you will.
            I did find this quote interesting: Do not ever say that the desire to “do good” by force is a good motive. Neither power-lust nor stupidity are good motives.
            Ayn Rand

          • JeffH

            Government “help” to business is just as disastrous as government persecution… the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.
            Ayn Rand

          • Meteorlady

            RadioupNorth:
            I think if you had checked Ayn Rand you would find that she was born and educated mostly in the Soviet Union. She learned about socialism/communism first hand and lived to write about the bad side of it. I personally think The Virtue of Selfishness is one of her best works.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Aynn Rand has been characterized as using “reason” to endorse corporatism. She did not live long enough to see the ends to which U.S. corporate growth could become with the “too big to fail” due to no regulations and resultant bullying of our U.S. representative-democracy government. The ends of that corporate international socialist growth we now have to deal with that now includes both political and economic enslavement, a big step back to Aynn Rands czarist Russia.

            As an original 20th Century Libertarian, Aynn Rand did not have a good measure of understanding coming out of her experience of Czarist economic control of regional market and labor groups and the later morphing into dictatorial control tied under claims of Marxist communism. Both of those were Fascist with economic and political control held by a one party mafiosi-like control.

            Randian Milton Friedmanic “voodoo economics” as an economic plan for the U.S. speaks volumes about the current sad state of the conservative influences that are leading it’s followers, like lemmings, off the economic cliff. The sane 20th Century Conservative Bill Buckley is spinning in his grave.

            Those are facts. Not the coprology of politics and economics your kind peddle as essential elements of your ideology. I would suggest checking out how propaganda influences thinking by going to this site: http://changingminds.org/techniques/propaganda/propaganda.htm

            The results of your reasoning is represented by such as Barry Goldwater running against LBJ in 1964 when he said, “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice.” That was on the note rubberbanded to a brick one of your types threw through a New York County Democrat office window.

            If that person and the fellow conspirators inciting such action are caught, Goldwater’s obverse just as equally should be appliced, “Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

        • Palin12

          ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
          Mr Boring is back.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Carolynn, you really should try to do something about that narcolepsy? Does that come from your political inbreeding?

          • Palin12

            Your buddy Bawney is waitin for you!

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Pretty weak reply.

            As a argument, it lacks facts and counterpoints.

            If it is a threat, I am not worried. If your types shoot guns like Cheney, I’d worry more about being on your side of the line.

            If it is some kind of scurriolous reply, your males are the ones who have bimbo women of limited intelligence out front while playing footsie with other men in bathroom stalls.

            For average, grass roots, middle class people, neither of those are choices. But if you are going to do another coup like the Bush II coup d’etat of 2000, then you may find how many will push you back by whatever force you think you have.

            Good luck!!

          • Palin12

            There you go again with Bush. Have you ever considered that if Al Gore would have won his home state of Tennessee, he would have won the 2000 election outright? The people in his home state knew better! Even Mondale carried his own state, LOL!
            Recount after recount showed Bush the winner so quit your 8 year old whining dude. I can tell you a lot of stuff about Gore to fill a whole page. Michael Moore of Fareignheit 911 fame voted for Ralph Nader in the 2000 election. He helped split the vote. Now Al Gore lives in a 20-story mansion with a monthly utility bill around $2,500 the majority of which is derived from fossil fuels. Oh yeah, I forgot, he’s one of the intellectual elete (like pelosi, John Edwards, Hillary) that doesn’t apply to him; it only applies to us commoners. We could do a whole page on Gore who stands to profit billions if they do this cap and trade crap!

          • Palin12

            …sorry, meant 20 bedroom, not 20 story.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            RUN,

            When the robbing hood PLLL’s get help for that self-inflicted pyschotic clepto behavior….maybe the narcolepsy will correct itself….afterall it’s probably just a self-defense mechanism.

            Fed Up Gal

          • usmadgirl

            Palin12,

            Like we’ve discussed before, Al Gore is a very bad, very expensive joke & a total embarrassment to my state! We KNEW what an idiot he was!

            I just can’t believe that he’s sucked the entire WORLD into his hoax!

          • Palin12

            usmadgirl….yeasterday both Sarah Palin and Al Gore were here in So. Nevada. Attendance at Sarah’s rally 8,000-10,000. Attendance at Gore’s fundraiser 400.

        • J C

          Good Lord Radio…you are “Rabidly” brain washed and without a doubt the most twisted poster on this sight….a close second to American Liberal…but you win the prize.
          I am absolutely amazed and entertained at how completely “out there” you really are.
          Keep up the good work. ;)
          You do your communist regime a fine service.

        • Meteorlady

          Hey how’s that all working out for your state? Are your finances in order? Gads, your arguments are so borrrrrrrrrrrrrrringggggggggggggggg.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            If you are dyslexic, I am sorry that I get into drawn out discussion.

            If you are only being lazy in considering my arguments, maybe understanding simple propaganda tactics could help in considering what you apparently accept as the only view of the U.S.A.:

            http://changingminds.org/techniques/propaganda/propaganda.htm

        • Lewis Munn

          Funny, Radio, all I hear is anguished screams from rejected Democrats, satisfaction from Repubs and Tea Party people, and read of a few cases where huge crowds of paid voters changed elections to the Dems at the last minute.

          And many reports of tampered voting machines, having just been repaired and certified by SIEU technicians. Funny thing about that. Not heard of even one voting machine even suspected of being tampered with by a Tea Party Technician!!

      • Kathy Carroll

        What the pre recorded Republican message, tort reform, buying across state lines etc. mantra keeps forgetting to mention is that it was checked out and deemed to not do very much, exactly what the republicans want, to do nothing and keep status quo. And if they didn’t get thier way they would fold thier spoiled brat arms and pout and stamp thier feet and use every scare tactic at thier disposal, I am so sick of the hate fear mongering ways that there is no way I want to live with Republicans in control anymore. Like it or not they only believe that doing for the rich is the best thing for this country and no matter how many times this fails it’s the same ol crap. REAGAN,REAGAN, trickle down!! This has ruined our country just ask anyone who isn’t rich and works for a living, did anything ever trickle down? A BIG NO, all the money was just moved to the top and here we are. Talk about rats following the pied piper off the cliff. It is too bad that the greed in this country has come to this, So if you like the republican your on your own don’t expect any help unless you are rich ideas, GOOD LUCK VOTE FOR THEM AGAIN, LET’S SEE HOW BADLY THEY SCREW UP THE COUNTRY AGAIN.

        • http://Don'thaveone Sally

          I have an excellant idea for all the librals that LOOOOOOVE OBAMA, PELOSI AND REED. Lets have all of the Red States susceed from the Union and have all the blue states stay and reap all of their benefits. You can move from one Red State to another but no body living in a Blue State can come to a Red State until they have applied for Citizenship. Then we can all see what will happen. Washington will be left with all the debt, plus all the debt from the bills they have put forth. Plus the Red States will have all kind of jobs – just think we can start getting all that cheap sweet crude in Wyoming and N Dakota (45 years worth at a cost of getting it out of the ground of $16.00 per barrell) Red states won’t have to import any oil nor natural gas. Look how many good paying jobs that will make. Blue states will have to buy from us also. Plus we will have a lot of food of course Iowa will provide food for Blue States. This would be a great experiment. Then the blame game would stop also.

          • usmadgirl

            Sally,

            Sounds like a good plan to me!!!

          • Palin12

            Sally, do you remember during the 2008 campaign when Obama said “I look out all accross America, and I don’t see Red States or Blue States. I see the United States of America!” Nothing but campaign rhetoric. He was the most liberal member of Congress, for the very short time he was there. That is, when he wasn’t out campaigning and still collecting a salary for doing nothing in the Senate.

        • Meteorlady

          Honey -I would rather have tickle down economics than tickle up poverty. Please go study Argentina and Venezuela and see where trickle up poverty has gotten them. Once they has strong economic growth and Argentina was second only to the US, now look at them.

      • Lewis Munn

        Agreed. My two Senators who voted for it, I presume from what they say, were ones I voter against in the last election, and will vote against in the coming one, and I suspect with lots more company!

        Too bad we cannot be like the illegals and the paid voters and vote early and often. Makes one wonder at times of the virtues of being honest and following the Rules!

    • Dawn Marie

      Poo American Liberal, now that we have Obamacare…you won’t be able to get the surgery to OPEN YOUR EYES!

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Dawn marie, yeah he will, but he’ll have hell-of a-loooong wait!

        • American liberal

          President Obama Said ” Go for it” to Republicans threats to repeal the bill…. President Bush said” Bring it on ” to terrorist and insurgents…but you call Presiden an curse word?… How Christian of you..

          • EltonJ

            President Obama is akin to Tuberculosis (how is that?).

          • RAT

            Ok… now it get it. You’re a comedian!

          • http://aol.com sean murrey

            you think the libs in state govenment will be elected? well you are wrong there will be landslide on the libs.

        • Joe H.

          Angel,
          Or he’ll have crossed eyes with his outlook on life!!!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JoeH, Yeah anyway!

    • Buster

      We’re going to have almost 17,000 new IRS agents. They’ll be easy to spot, though – they’ll have brown shirts, arm bands, and microscopes. Bend over!!!

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        HEY BUSTER LOOK AT IT THIS WAY AT LEAST OBAMA CAN CLAIM NOW, HE’S CREATED NEW JOBS!?!___WHO KNEW!__LOL

        • American liberal

          Angel…how long is it going to take you to learn how to use your computer?… I realize you have the IQ of a 4 year old but you don’t have to type in All Caps like a 4 yr old…I even saw one of your own rightwingers explain how it works…. Is it any wonder your concidered ignorant..

          • Retired Marine

            You’re ignorant then too using. Nothing else to complain about? Have to start attacking the person instead of having a civil conversation?

          • RAT

            “…your concidered…”?

          • Retired Marine

            Exactly. Was typing too fast. Thanks.

          • RAT

            Retired Marine: Glad you noticed it too. AmLib slams Angel with namecalling and criticizes for her typing skills, yet, he totally butchers spelling and punctuation. Typical dem. hypocrite.

            BTW.. thank you for your service

          • RAT

            Retired Marine: Glad you noticed it too. AmLib slams Angel with namecalling and criticizes for her typing skills, yet, he totally butchers spelling and punctuation. Typical dem. hypocrite.

            BTW.. thank you for your service

          • marvin

            American liberal, you know if we were all like you .and had a master of bs in knowit all, the name calling would stop just because everone an,t as smart as you and in love with the left wing liberals ,like obama and don,t want. your kind of socialism take from the have,s and spread it around to they that think it is a god givin right not to work for what you get so the chosen one [obama]and his minyons/subjects can push there will on the other 70 to 80% of we the people free free free thank OBAMA allmity we are free free free to take take take

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            RAT, I GET PO-ED WITH THESE LIBERAL AND THE FINGERS SOMETIMES GO FASTER THAN THE MIND AND I DON’T SEE WELL TO__IF I’M THE COMPUTER TOO LONG I SWITCH TO CAPS, CUXZ THERE EASIER TO SEE—THATS’ ALL__AMERICAN LIBERAL THINKS I’M LYING ABOUT__ IT’S OK___THANKS FOR CONSIDERING SOURCE

          • libertytrain

            AMERICAN LIBERAL – she has stated a number of times, she has had vision problems and recent surgery to correct it – you are a typical liberal – don’t read just rant.

          • momof4

            American Lib,
            You are very rude,why don’t you grow up?

          • Meteorlady

            Personal attacks and insults, no facts or valid comments.

      • http://hotmail JoAnn Foss

        does that include swastickas or does obamacare make them pay for that too? maybe we should prctice up on the heil obummer “salute” ~ he’s almost got it right ~ now, he has to contact Michael Jackon’s skin lightening dermatoliogist, straighte his hair to go over his forehead then, ALL SMILE ~ he’ll be the image of his idol ~
        in all seriousness, Even were he purple, his obummercare sh*t still stinks to HIGH heaven ~ by the way, where does that one dude think all those greenbacks are coming from ?? he seems to think it’s like mannafrom heaven !! the funds that pay for the people on welfare (the majority who are too lazy to work or, too busy making babies to up their govt checks) it comes from OUR MONEY (his too)!! that’ where plus all the extra the govt will be taking away from us ~ xtra taxes, & out of OUR retirement (social security) that the people worked so long & hard for ! How are we supposed to pay all those xtra taxes when thee are no jobs to be had (except for his Nazi troopers for IRS ~ think they’re hiring) my BIG objection on all this where does that illegal monster get the idea he can DEMAND or tell us what to do with or own money ~ they take enouh as it is ~ is this sill america the free??? (whisper) Pssst don’t tell OBummer or he’ll find yet another way to curtail yet another freedom! with him round, we have so few ‘freedoms’ left ~SO, are we going to stand up & remind that A*hole that he was HIRED to do a job FOR us not ON us !?!?!?!!
        I am all for FIRING that communistic *hole ASAP!(treason is a good starting point) ~~~

        • American liberal

          Healthcare is treason?… Lmaoooooo … Then what was George W.Bushs administration?

          • momof4

            American Lib,
            All you know how to do is bash Bush. You must have a very boring life. What do you do just sit around and think about how much you hate Bush and the Republicans all day?

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            momof4, the 3 main talking points of the Liberal agenda and I’ve said plenty of times before, they “saved or created thousands of jobs”__thousands of people are dying in the streets because of the lack of healthcare insurance__and it’s all George Bush’s fault___

          • JC

            Blame Bush? Is that the best you can do?
            Simple simple creatures these commies…

          • Jana

            Mom of 4,
            All they do is sit around and hate, period. If they didn’t have us to hate they would hate each other.

          • Lewis Munn

            I did not get any extra healthcare, wanted or unwanted, from Cheney’s Administration…remember, Bush was alcoholically brain damaged so he cannot be held responsible for anything that happened.

        • Hugh Jordin

          before you rant and show your ignorance learn the difference between a communist and a nazi. one can’t be both (except in the imaginations of right wing extremists).

          • JC

            Well I guess there is a subtle difference.
            The same sort of difference exists between various forms of vermin.
            All, however require extermination when trying to subvert the Constitution. So there’s no real difference after all is there?

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            There is no difference, they ALL eventually end up dead from their crimes.

        • Dorothy

          I agree with everything you just said. That is why the Indian Nation
          gave “our” president the great title of “Walking Eagle”. That is
          because he is so full of s**t he can’t fly!! Good for them!!!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Dorothy, I love it!

          • Joe H.

            Dorothy,
            My wife and I got one heck of a laugh out of that one last nite!!! keep em’ commin’!!!!

      • JeffH

        …The IRS is soliciting quotes for its purchase of 60 shotguns: The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division.
        Hmmmm!
        http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2010/02/irs-to-buy.html

        • JeffH

          Federal education department has an unusual request: 27 shotguns.

          Media eyebrows cocked at an order placed by the department this month for 27 new Remington 12-gauge, short-barreled shotguns.

          No, things are not that bad in U.S. schools.

          Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/03/15/1815246/federal-education-department-has.html#ixzz0jIlEqGYc

          • JeffH

            It is my understanding that the delivery point is Chicago, of all places.

          • usmadgirl

            JeffH,

            Is this the beginning of O-dumbo’s “National Security Force”? This is just freaking spooky!

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          WOW, I guess with all those new IRS agents the dems are going to be hiring, it’s gonna give a new meaning to “Riding Shotgun!”

          • JC

            It gives new meaning to something the Founding Father’s wanted us to avoid…a standing “army” of tax collectors.

        • JC

          PUT THE TAX CHECK ON THE DESK AND BACK AWAY !! NOW MOTHERF…..
          So much for “civil servants” eh Jeff?

          • JeffH

            Two shotguns pointed at each other can mean only one thing. “Do ya feel lucky punk, do ya, or go ahead, make my day.” who’s got the cajones to pull the trigger? Your guess is as good as mine.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            JC,

            Thanks for your comments. I agree with most of your comments, but would like to point out…not all civil servants are created equal……DoD civilians to serve the military members, police and fire departments to name a few.

            Fed Up Gal

          • JeffH

            FedUp, so true. There are civil servants and there are “G-men”.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JC, Can anyone say the Godfather?

    • Shooter

      Are you kidding me? Do you really believe that the republicans are soey responisble for wallstreet? Are you living in a hole in the ground? You must be, because nothing you have said is factual. If you want America to go bankrupt, just keep supporting Obama and the Liberal agenda and you will get your wish you twisted communist.

      • Stick

        Would you please let us know what year the country will be bankrupt also just what would you do with 32 million americans that can’t afford healthcare, let them die

        • RAT

          Most of those 32 million don’t want it or don’t need it. Many of them are here illegally. And the rest qualify for Medicaid.
          Any more questions?

          • Stick

            I beg to differ with you Rat, I’m 63 and work 45 years of my life before getting laid off I want it and need it but can’t get it for two more years.

          • RAT

            Stick, sorry to hear it… but are you talking about MediCARE? I said medicaid.

          • V Cox

            RAT: If you make $40,000 a year and the insurance company wants somewhere in the neighborhood of $10,000 in premiums and copays, how do you buy insurance, and feed/clothe/house. I’m always amazed at the statements prefaced with Most People, like you absolutely know for a fact what goes in the lives of 32 million folks in this country. YOU DON’T

          • RAT

            V Cox… and you do? Fact is, government should not mandate anyone purchase anything, and I think even YOU know that.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Rat, I agree, there are more than 300 million of us here in the U.S., I could go for universal healthcare “IF” there was close to half of the American people ‘without” Health Care Insurance. But it’s not even close. The Democrats keep changing the numbers on how many people that are actually without it. I wonder if there counting in that number, the 20-25 year old who don’t actually need or want health insurance yet, And, are they adding in the Illegals??__Where is the proof of the numbers?__

          • Joe H.

            rat,
            I know a young lady that had run up a sizable bill at the hospital and couldn’t pay when she got laid off. The hospital here called her and told her that if she would come in and sign that she had no income, they would forgive her bill. not the DRs bill but the hospital bill. It still lessened her bill by some six thousand dollars!!! But I guess they would say they wanta let er’ die!!!!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Rat, The Dems biggest talking point is, that thousands of people are dying in the street without healthcare insurance, fact is, as of right now, NO ONE is being covered under the messiah’s new healthcare plan for four freakin’ years???__If thousands are dying in the streets WHY isn’t it available RIGHT NOW?___BULLSH*T ARTISTS, THAT ALL THE DEMS ARE!__AND THE LIBERAL SHEEP KEEP DRINKIN’ THE KOOL-AID.

          • Meteorlady

            Of the 30 million, oh wait, maybe it’s 35 million, oh heck —- didn’t is start out as 47 million? Wonder where we lost 17 million? Anyway 50% make over $50,000 and choose not to purchase health insurance, the other 17% were illegals and the remainder qualified for Medicaid, but were too lazy or stupid to go and apply.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            METORLADY,,,EXACTLY MY POINT!__When these liberal idiots start throwing around their facts and figures, of how many people are dying in the streets, becasue they don’t have heathcare, I gotta ask, why in the hell don’t they get up off their duffs and go find aid, if they need it__it’s not gonna come sit on their laps__Damn, I get tired of that Liberal goo!

        • Lewis Munn

          I think it was right after Obama’s first year. Since sometime in there we have just been printing money like the PreHitler German government.

          And seeing similar results. And it will get worse, not better.

    • http://personalliberty.com bruce

      American Liberal- It was the Democrats and liberals in Congress such as Barney Frank D-MA, Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd, that pushed Fannie and Freddie to lower there lending standards that was the begining of the financial crises and that was back in the early 90′s. The republicans made their contribution to the mess as well when in the late 90′s they pushed to change the glass steagal banking act of 1933 Which divided the banks into commerical banks (For business and risky Investing)and savings banks (for people to put their savings into and make consumer loans and due less riskey lending to keep peoples savings safe). So next time you open your mouth make sure of the facts first.
      And by the way just to set the record straight you wanted to know what the Republicans have given the country have you ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation Abraham Linclon (a republician)signed that into Law so again before you open you ingnorant mouth try doing some research first.

      • RAT

        Correct, Bruce! And W urged them (democratic congress) to investigate Freddie and Fanny countless times, but got nowhere. We’re melting, melting! What a world, what a world.

      • TJ

        It was also Clinton who demanded the financial institutitions lower their standards because EVERYONE DERSERVES a home…..even if they can’t afford it – - – Heck, we’ll pay for, and low and behold, we ARE going to pay for….

        • JC

          Damned Straight! It was the Clinton administration. And one of the more tireless promoters of the “feel good / everyone deserves a home”
          policy was Barack Hussein Obama. The fact that he sits there blaming Bush for something he worked so hard to accomplish is just another sign of the Great Usurpers “in your face” gall!
          That’s not a defense of Bush either, that guy could screw up a county fair.

        • Meteorlady

          Don’t forget “free trade with China” – that really helped our job situation. Helped old Walmart out a lot -not we get crap from a communist country that owns most of our debt. Nice work… ya gotta love those democrats.

      • marvin

        bruce you for got the peanut man carter a nother 1 time pres like the allmity O-B-A-M-A carter done the same thing told fred and fanny to make house loan to people that had no way to pay but hell whats a few billion dollars to a liberal mind like obama and john kerry wanting 12 million to build a monument to ted the[life guard] kennedy ,O-B-A-M-A C-A-R-E with his 17000 new storm trooper sorry IRS AGENTS with a gs5 step 1to gs6 starting wage around 33,000 to 34,000 per year wonder if the indpendent gsa figured that in to the bill 33,000 x17,000 in wages from now on add on to obama care

        • Joe H.

          marvin,
          wasn’t it just a few years ago that they were talking about instituting a “kinder, gentler, IRS????? Now they want SHOTGUNS?!?!?!?

          • Lewis Munn

            Ain’t nothin’ so kind, gentle, and peaceful as a dead citizen.

        • http://Don'thaveone Sally

          I don’t know if any of the liberal bloggers on this site read the 150 page bill posted on the internet before the vote. Well I did. None of you have mentioned the Student Loans and the funding of Black Universities and Colleges. Only Fox news made any mention of the Student Loans on Hannity but nowhere nothing has been mentioned about the other funding. What in the blue blazes does Student Loans and funding of Black Universities have to do with healthcare reform??????? It was the last two items on the Reconcillation Bill which was the only think posted 72 hours before the naucious vote.

          • Meteorlady

            I think the student loans and that type of stuff is being stripped out of the bill because it does not qualify under “reconciliation”.

          • Jana

            Meteorlady, I sure hope so.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            The messiah is adding these loans, to the rest of the takeover, the Government will then dole out, the money for student loans so our kids can be better indoctrinated and prepare for the only future jobs America is gonna have, and that is Government jobs!!

      • Meteorlady

        Clinton was President when Glass-Steagal was repealed, and was a hugh cheerleader for everyone in American having their own home so pushed lenders to loan money even to those with less than perfect credit and risky finances.

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Meteorlady,

          You are correct. Amazing how the PLLL fan club conveniently forgets that….or worse yet….remembers it and still thinks it is okay to steal from others to ensure they buy their own house even if they can’t afford one.

          God forbid…they rent something until they could save enough to buy a house (and have some reserve saved for unexpected things that always pop up for homeowners). Yet, we spend part or all of our own reserve we did save….for our own unexpected things…and to help “save” them from their self-inflicted financial cesspool (mispelled probably…and I couldn’t care less).

          Amazing that so many don’t understand their own poor financial habits are what have put most in such dire consequences, and had they been more responsible…they would not need the government to steal from others on their behalf to purchase insurance…they would have enough to buy their insurance themselves. Sadly however, they are perfectly content with having Uncle Sam do their own dirty work.

          Fed Up Gal

    • EltonJ

      American Liberal — LEST WE FORGET! Teddy Roosevelt was the first to propose Universal Healthcare.

    • http://SCCOAST1JULY45@NET.COM LUCA BROZIE

      you are a coward,say what you really are(liberal) bull your a communist plain and simple and a stupid one at that

      • Jana

        Luca,
        You said it! And you said it well. AMEN!!

        • Palin12

          Bravo!

    • Barry

      Are you totally nuts? Who is bankrupting our country? Sure the Republicans went on a spending spree, but Obama and his crowd have tripled that in just a little over a year. And evidently you can’t hear the cry out from Americans…it was crammed down our throats!

      • Stick

        The only thing cramed down your throat was, we don’t care what the needy need as long as we the greedy continue to get ours.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          STICK, NO ONE, REPUBS OR ANYONE ELSE_ SAYS NOT TO HELP THE NEEDY, DON’T YOU THINK THE REST OF US HIT HARD TIMES AND TAPPED INTO RESOURCE THAT WAS AVAILBLE, UNTIL WE GOT BACK ON OUR FEET?__YES WE HAVE__BUT THESE ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS ARE MEANT FOR A HAND UP__NOT AND ENTIRE WAY OF LIFE!! AND THAT’S WHAT THEY BECOME!

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            AND-WHEN-YOUR-RESOURCES-ALL-RUN-OUT?

            THEN-WHAT-DO-YOU-DO-TO-STAY-ALIVE?

            THEN-DOES-SUBSIDIES-BECOME-A-WAY-OF-LIFE-FOR-YOU-TOO?

            I-WONDER-IF-YOU-ARE-ANOTHER-ONE-OF-THOSE-”WELFARE-QUEENS”-LIKE-MICHELLE-BACHMAN-WHO-IS-GETTING-OVER-$50,000-A-YEAR-IN-CROP-SUBSIDIES-FROM-A-FARM-SHE-HAS-OWNERSHIP-INTEREST-IN-OVER-IN-WISCONSIN?

            HOW-MUCH-AND-WHERE-ARE-YOU-GETTING-YOUR-WELFARE-FROM?

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            NICE TRY BUD, BUT I NEVER WAS ON WELFARE___MY OLD MAN HAVE BEEN MARRIED 34 YEARS__I MANAGED TO TAKE CARE OF A SICK MOTHER FROM THE TIME I WAS 7 UNTIL SHE DIED AT 76, I MANAGED TO RAISE TWO KIDS AND HAD A HALFASSED BUSINESS I CLOSED BECAUSE I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WOULD REFORM HER LIFE, FOR THE SAKE OF FAMILY—-AS A RESULT I LIVED TO BURY THEM ALL AND I WAS THE ONE WHO WAS TO HAVE BEEN THE ABORTION__WE GOT INTO FINANCIAL STRAP__BECAUSE MY MOTHER WAS FOR THE MOST PART BERIDDEN AND NEEDED 24/7 CARE!!___DON’T TELL ME ABOUT HARD TIMES BUDDY, I FRICKEN LIVED TO TELL ABOUT IT!

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            THEN-WHY-ARE-YOU-SUCH-A-FRICKEN-IDIOT-AND-HARD-HEAD-WITH-OTHER-PEOPLE-WHO-HAVE-HAD-AND-ARE-HAVING-TOUGH-TIMES?

            AND-WHY-DO-YOU-TYPE-LIKE-A-RETARD?

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            RADIO UP NORTH, WHEN ANY RESOURCE RUNS THE HELL OUT THEN, GUESS WHAT, YOU DO IT YOURSELF, YOU FIND A WAY AND DO IT!__IF YOU LOSE A JOB WHAT DO YOU DO, SIT ON YOUR ASS AND COLLECT?__OR DO YOU GET RIGHT BACK OUT THERE FIND A JOB!__i DON’T GIVE A DAMN IF YOUR OVER OR UNDER QUALIFIED, IF WORKING AT MCDONALDS HELPS PUT FOOD ON YOUR TABLE THEN DO IT!__THESE ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS MAKE PEOPLE LAZY, HALF OF THEM DON’T HAVE CUT OFF DATES, THEY JUST KEEP GOING, WITH 2 GENERATIONS ON THEM, THAT’S WHAT i’M SAYIN!__IF YOUR GONNA BE ON WELFARE, THEN THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD PUT THEM ON THE ROAD CREWS AND WORK THE MONEY OFF. YOU CAN’T CONTINUALLY TAKE, YOU’VE GOT TO GIVE BACK___AND LIKE i SAID ON ANOTHER THREAD, JUST BECAUSE YOU DON’T SEE PEOPLE TRHOWING SOMEONE A TWENTY DOLLAR BILL IF THERE DOWN AND OUT, OR TAKING SOMEONE IN THAT NEEDS A ROOF, OR BUYING SOMEONE DINNER WHO DOESN’T HAVE THE MONEY, DOESN’T MEAN IT’S NOT HAPPENING___YOUR JUST NOT SEEING IT!___YOU LIBS MAKE ME SICK,YOU AND YOUR HOLIER THAN THOU ATTITUDES___ GOD GIVES US LIFE IT’S OUR JOB TO LIVE IT AND WORK IT.—NOT SOMEONES ELSES__CHRIST SAID, WE ARE TO HELP OUT WHERE WE CAN, BUT CHARITY STARTS AT HOME!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            MR. PETTY RADIO UP NORTH, I’LL TYPE AS I DAM WELL PLEASE, I COULD LESS ABOUT COMPUTER PROTOCOL, SAAVY?

          • JeffH

            angel-wanna-be, don’t get caught up in “wannabe an American but just a stinkin liberal” and Radio”international corporate socialist”wayUpNorth’s liberal bile. They are looking for anybody they can get upset. That is what they do and who they are.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JEFFH, I KNOW, BUT THEY ACT AS IF THEY’RE THE ONLY ONES WHO CARES ABOUT PEOPLE!___THEY’RE WELL SUITED TO BE BROWN NOSING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, MOST OF THEM HAVE THE SAME KINDA ATTITUDES, BETTER THAN THOU!

          • Joe H.

            Angel,
            Are you kiddin??? they’ve been brown nosing so long those arent boogers they’re picking!!!!

          • RAT

            Angel, You are to be commended for the sacrifices you’ve made in your life.
            Radio…You obviously lost the argument as evidenced by your namecalling… a liberal’s last resort.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Thanks Rat, my whole point is, that when anyone has a problem, you’ve got to get up off your ass and do something about it__That’s the problem I have with all these entitlement programs, left go too long with out deadlines, they become a way of life and they make people lazy._And this healthcare fiasco?!?, these people have no idea what they are in for, managed care IS RATIONED and it’s the only way, they can control costs__There is no other way__The stuff these libs spew, half of them are elitists with a college education and not a lick of street smarts, or common sense. I’m not the sharpest tack in the pack, but I do have common sense

          • Meteorlady

            RadioUpNorth- Because Angle, like me, wast taught to be self-sufficient and proud enough not to take government assistance. It’s called responsibility, something you liberals know nothing about. You believe I and Angel are responsible for every aspect of your life because you hit hard times.

            Go to any retirement or assisted living place and talk to the people about self-sufficiency. Talk about the depression and what they did to help each other and those in their communities. Even though my grandfather and grandmother could not provide a job, they gave food to the indigent people that came through looking for work – that’s because they were able to grow their own food and share. The did this of their OWN FREE WILL. That is something you will never understand because you are brainwashed into believing that because you make or made poor life choices the rest of us are responsible for you. If that is the case, then we should have had a decision in your life choice before we are required to pay for it.

            The fact is that we, as a country, borrowed more than we could afford, are basically unhealthy, have made a lot of poor lifestyle choices and we have let socialism creep and creep along until all of a sudden it’s eating up our economy.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            meteorlady well said__my Great Aunt and Uncle owned a Hotel/Bar, my Uncle lived til he was 97__they gave away more food and free room and board to those who were down and out, they lost more money than they ever took in__another example: My Grandnother back in the Great Depression was a very pride filled woman, she and my Grandfather refused to go to the food lines until they themselves hadn’t eaten in two days, they gave what food they had to my mother and her sisiter____It is these kinds of grass roots everyday people, that is, what America is all about. Today, We live in a cynical society_ too smug_too unwilling to go the extra mile to better themselves and family, as a result, they stand in the welfare line waiting for a handout.__Go buy a couple packs of seeds in the summer, get a bucket or two fill it with ground, get a small garden goin.__there’s plenty we can do to survive without government intervention___and It sounds like you and I survived doin impossible things, but this isn’t about an “atta boy or a pat on the back”__it’s about doing the hard stuff, even when it hurts. I have Faith in one thing only and he is GOD, it sure as hell isn’t Government!

          • Joe H.

            angel,
            Each year I grow a big garden with 26 tomato plants. when they start coming in, I go around to the elderly here that aren’t able to grow them and give them to them. Boy do they look forward to those big red things. I also give peppers and green beans too. kentucky wonders!! Easiest bean to grow!!Pods are almost a foot long!!! I just enjoy growing them!!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JOeh, at’s exactly what I’m sayin!:)___ there’s plenty of things we can do to be self sufficient and be a blessing to others, My mom was sick all of my life and all but 11 years of hers. but I’ll tell ya what, in a way I’m glad for the experience. Ya either learn to stand on your own or you’ll be crushed, it’s that simple. And quite frankly, when God allows troubled situations in your life, he always gives you a way out. I’ll repeat this again, but if we all learned to rely on our selves with support from our families and helped others too, while it wouldn’t cure all the worlds ills, there would be a lot less need, for the salvation army, soup kitchens, the prisons may not be as full and kids growing up would have family that cares.__NOW that is, If the government would let Americans alone, we can survive quite nicely by ourselves, we know what is the right thing to do__instead they keep creating and adding more and more dependents and further meddling in our lives, such as this travesty, Health care reform.__God bless

          • Meteorlady

            Radio – I have two choices in life. One is to take advantage of my educational benefits, work hard and making something of myself, save my money for retirement, pay my taxes, and be a responsible citizen and neighbor. The other is to goof off in school, not go to college, get a low paying job, spend all my money on extraneous things, not save money for a rainy day (like when I need healthcare), borrow way more than I can pay back, and generally just be an irresponsible member of society.

            So, if I had no say in which road a person chooses, why do I have to have the government take my money and pass it out to these people. That’s not hard hearted, it’s just that I am sick to death of the government taking my money and giving it to people that don’t deserve it. I am sick of the druggies, drunks, welfare cheats, gang members, and all the people that are able to work but sit at home on their lazy a*ses and expect me to work for them.

            I work hard for a couple of charities in my country, I do that of my own free will and take great pride in helping people help themselves. I am ashamed that my hard earned money has gone to a government that has created an entire class of government dependent people. I am sorry that the government has taken my money and squandered it on grand social programs that never seem to work out and only grow.

            So next time you think I am responsible for you or anyone else, think about the fact that I had nothing to say about your life so why would I now be responsible for you?

        • popeye

          stop the us versus them. If you stop and think when you tax the rich who by the way 98% started with nothing and worked hard to get what they got all they do is charge more for there service or product. In other words taxing the rich is just a slick way to tax you. Stop and think how it would feel if someone kept getting in your wallet and took your hard earned money and gave to the lazy people sitting on their couches watching crap like american idol and getting money from you just because the guy doesn’t want to work. Do the research look at the statictics and your view of the wealthy will change. What you are talking about is the few bad apples in the bunch who have no character and integrity. but note they only account for less than 2% of the wealthy. yet the media makes us think they account for 98% of the wealthy. Open your eyes and you will see that those 98% of wealthy are giving more of there income than anyone else in the world. You don’t hear about it because they don’t do it to get attention like opera. Notice she does alot but always has to make sure people know about it. She does it for the look at what I did feeling of importance. If she didn’t care for the attention then she would do it in secret.

          • popeye

            oops statistics

          • Jana

            popeye,
            Besides that, most of us aren’t rich and probably never will be. We get out and work hard. I work in a service industry where if I don’t work I don’t get paid. Forget about insurance. I don’t have it. But my parents taught me a long time ago to sit down with pencil and paper and make a list of my expenses, and for us that included putting back a few dollars out of each paycheck for medical expenses. Every single dollar had a place it needed to go, and if we needed a newer car, then we put that in the plan well before the need for it became totally necessary. For you liberals that’s called thinking ahead!.
            I work using my eyes looking through magnifying lenses, and in January I had an ocular stroke in one eye. I didn’t know that was even possible, but because I had money put back, we were not devastated. The reason we do this is because we are responsible for ourselves, I wouldn’t think of asking for help. My work also includes using my hands. A co-worker asked one day “What we would do if we hurt our hands?” I found out when I caught my hand in a heavy door and broke my finger, I worked anyway.
            I have even worked when I had pneumonia. The Dr. said it wasn’t viral pneumonia and I asked him if I could go to work then and he asked me, “Do you want to?” and I told him it didn’t matter if I wanted to or not, I had to. If I wasn’t contagious then I would work. I took just enough of the prescription cough syrup to stop my coughing but not enough to make me so sleepy that I couldn’t function.
            No, these were not life threatening problems, but for most of us it isn’t. We just need to do what we are asking our government to do, be wise in our spending.
            I don’t mind my taxes going for someone in real need, but for just being lazy or NOT WANT TO, or wanting a hand out, forget it.

          • RAT

            Popeye…. well said. Very well said. You must have eaten your spinach.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            But aren’t we required as God’s people to pass along what we’ve learned in life, in hopes of helping even one person?__I’m am by no means narssistic, and if I was, you’d know my name and where I’m from.

        • marvin

          trying to argue with a liberal is like making love to a snake they love you and your hand outs tell you disagree then they bite your hand or what ever body part they can liberals are deaf dume and blind can not hear can not see and love the great and most powerful OBAMA in the land of ozz, but back here in the real world the majority rule and nov 2010/2012 we will see nuf said vote like your health and wealth depend on it if the next 3 years are like the last year it will if we can last 3 more years

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Marvin OMG_I can’t hardly imagine 3 more years of this, it just makes me sick!

        • Jana

          Stick, the only thing crammed down our throats are liberal idiots like you and your hero Obama and your stupid ideas of how to turn this country into a Socialist Country. Anyone that shows any common sense which you lack, and shows the desire to get our Nation back under the Constitution, you and your RADICAL LIBERAL friends try to make fun of or put down.
          You may think you all are out talking us with your many stupid comments and put downs, but you are still WRONG!

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Bruce Hornsby – The Way It Is (1986)

            Standing in line marking time–
            Waiting for the welfare dime
            ‘Cause they can’t buy a job
            The man in the silk suit hurries by
            As he catches the poor old ladies’ eyes
            Just for fun he says “Get a job”

            That’s just the way it is
            Some things will never change
            That’s just the way it is
            But don’t you believe them

            They say hey little boy you can’t go
            Where the others go
            ‘Cause you don’t look like they do
            Said hey old man how can you stand
            To think that way
            Did you really think about it
            Before you made the rules
            He said, Son

            That’s just the way it is
            Some things will never change
            That’s just the way it is
            But don’t you believe them

            Well they passed a law in ’64
            To give those who ain’t got a little more
            But it only goes so far
            Because the law won’t change another’s mind
            When all it sees at the hiring time
            Is the line on the color bar

            That’s just the way it is
            Some things will never change
            That’s just the way it is
            But don’t you believe them

          • Jana

            Wow Rad, Now you just showed us your true drug crazed from the old hippie days mind.
            Poor thing. Nuff said, now we all feel sorry for you. We know you just can’t help yourself.

          • JC

            Song Lyrics to make a point?
            How about the Beatles – Taxman?
            Radio hears things on the airwaves I’ll bet…

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            I don’t follow the Rap music of macho abuse, etc of women, etc like you do for your politics.

            I also don’t roll in the vomit of Garret Wood, Limbug, Hysterical Hannity, B.S. Beck, “D’Ooohh” O’Reilly, Czarina corporatist Aynn Rand or Reckless Ron Paul, the doctor of death of the American economy.

            Are you fully grown twits yet, or just holed up on your daddy and mommy’s laptop while you wait to get pregnant by that fat bellied pickup boy of the trailer two trailers down?

          • JC

            Radio? You’re absolutely insane.

          • Joe H.

            Static up north,
            I’d rather curl up on moms lap than suck at the government hogs teat like you and your other libbie good buddies!!! And we ALL know what a GOOD BUDDIE is now , don’t we????

          • Palin12

            radioman, whatever our political differences….I really wish you would not insinuate that conservatives dont love music. Take it from me that’s not true. I don’t care for RAP either; it’s not musical to me. Music has always been the one consistent love in my life. And it doesn’t matter in the least what color the musicians are it only matters how good they perform.

          • http://hubscher1@earthlink.net bob hubscher

            Liberals never want talk issues because they all know they do not have anything that has worked. So the ONLY reaction they know is ATTACK the messenger. Did you ever notice that they and their friends always go after anyone who threatens their power.? ie. Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, The T party. us southern rednecks ,They are quick to call names and make fun because that is all they can do. The Democrats are the party that cannot shoot straight. FACT.We as a country made a sad mistake electing Barack Obama. The only group that cannot own up for this screw up are the Democrats and their blind, liberal followers.
            Oh so much to say and so little space to say it in,but you get the idea.

        • carol

          In my experience many of the so called needy are the greedy and not at all needy….They’ve just figured out how to work the system.

          • Lewis Munn

            Still true even after the election.

            Only thing is we have seen the power of the Unions, with the illegals, in making sure the venal and corrupt get elected! Even at the last minute!!

    • s c

      Comrade unamerican lib, enjoy your day in the sun. ‘Re-education’ is on your menu (King George-style). Savor the flavor. A nice red wine might help you keep from choking on it.
      Remember to smile as you and your ilk go under. Take your passport. Renew your membership in the useful idiot society. Smile for the camera. See ya. Wouldn’t wanna be ya. Whatever happens, remember, you went out of your way to earn it.

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        Okay.

        Just send all of your subsidies back and don’t take any tax credits or exemptions or deductions.

        Be a REAL AMERICAN!

        HOO-HAWWWW!!

        • Joe H.

          Just as soon as you get off welfare, Let’s see, that should be the second Tuesday of NEVER!!!!

          • JC

            Hahaha, funny Joe. Do you get the feeling Radio is one of those “basement boys” who still ives in mom’s basement at 30 something?
            I have to wonder because anyone who has ever achieved anything worth doing is against someone trying to steal it. But the parasite crowd is all too willing to share shit they don’t have to begin with.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Stop the [offensive word removed], and tell the truth.

            Do you really think you are at the level where you have it made?

            Or are you just another one of those wannabe babies thinking you know anything about anything but hoping to be a ho’ of the group that runs this website?

            But, you have have a good question. I should ignore your types and go after Garret Wood who posts the [offensive word removed] to let you and your types know that you are really isolated in your exercise of viewing shadows on the wall of the cave of what really is happening out there and what really needs to be addressed to get this great coutry back on it’s feet.

          • JC

            Radio, what you should do is see a mental health professional. You’re obviously very disturbed.

          • Joe H.

            JC,
            no he’s not disturbed, he’s certifiably insane!!!! Or ignorant which ever floats your boat!!! If you look up ignorant in the dictionary you will see a picture of radio crossed out with a message of ‘too damn ugly to allow viewing”!!!!

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            You’ve got nothing!

            You’ve got no facts and no arguments.

            You are boring with lack of anything but attempted insults.

            Regarding your perspectives, consider the following website which gives me pause for considering some of the people on my side of the political spectrum too:

            http://changingminds.org/techniques/propaganda/propaganda.htm

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          RUN,

          Careful….you almost are making sense. I know it scares you to believe it, but if you all in the “gimme” gang would stop expecting the government to steal from others on your [emotional blackmail] behalf….it might be possible to do away with deductions for numbers of children, etc, and get back to a more reasonable taxation…i.e., for national defense, roads and other basic necessities.

          Fed Up Gal

        • carol

          I assume you can’t do this because you pay no taxes, I’m one of the 2% of the population who pays 60% of the Federal taxes collected not one of the 50% of the population who pays nothing in income tax. Just how long can you spend OPM?

          • Fed Up Gal

            Carol,

            Sorry, not sure who your response was directed to (or about). I’m guessing it was in response to Radio Up North (RUN)’s comment…

            On the off chance you were responding to my comment….I actually agree with your comments I’ve read.

            Fed Up Gal

    • John

      You are a dumb —-, just wait till you or your loved ones are denied lifesaving medicines or procedures because of rationing or they or you are too old. Yep ObamaCare Works fool!!! and remember that the rich creates jobs and careers, govt creates nothing except little piglets sucking on the government teat, which is about to go dry real soon, I doubt if you even know what a teat is.

      I AM A CONSERVATIVE, FREEDOM LOVING CAPITALIST AND DAMN PROUD OF IT, next question!!!

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        Inbred?

        Or just related to Garret?

        • Joe H.

          We don’t NEED to ask YOU that question!!! you are inbread all the way!!!

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            I do like a lot of different kinds of bread. But, it’s good to have wine with it, like Jesus did, and have a balanced diet.

            But as to inbreeding like your types like, I have enough choices of real women to not be attracked to my cousins.

            That is just the kind of turn-on that libertarians and Republicans are into.

            I guess it’s just part of your economic plan of “dumbing-down” America by limiting intelligent evolution, isn’t it?

          • Joe H.

            static,
            damn man do you STILL call your sister a real woman????

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            My sister has multiple sclerosis. But, yes I do.

            She is a Democrat leaning person.

            Her husband owns oil and coal farmland in North Dakota and Montana.

            He is a Republican.

            They get along with that political ambivalence.

            I am a writer and political free thinker with a far ranging experience of employment during my past work career having now retired.

            My sister and her husband are not people I enjoy nor associate with anymore.

            Funny thing about how such things work out.

          • Lewis Munn

            Problem, I checked my bread and half a loaf is missing. I think he has been in my bread supply!

        • momof4

          Radio,
          If you looked up the word idiot in the dictionary you know what you would find? Your picture!! LOL

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            You would be able to have some credibility if you would accuse me of being a moron. That would recognize the difference of intelligence of being a cut above an idiot.

            But, you have not figured out a way to post a pic with your posts, so I guess you are the idiot and would not know any difference anyway.

      • who cares

        John, The rich have had ten (10) years of tax break, If the rich create jobs where are the jobs?????????????? John you do not know what the hell your talking about shut the hell up. you said it right you’r a conservative complete oppsite of saving wastful.

    • Matt

      Government taking away our freedom ): I hope we can hold on to our guns!

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        What freedoms have you lost?

        Is that going to be better in a government reeducation camp run by angel-wanna-be, JeffH, popeye, marvin or Jana (see above)?

        • JC

          What freedoms have we lost?
          Well you’re kind of simple so let’s start here:
          http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

          Karl Marx describes in his communist manifesto, the ten steps necessary to destroy a free enterprise system and replace it with a system of omnipotent government power, so as to effect a communist socialist state. Those ten steps are known as the Ten Planks of The Communist Manifesto… The following brief presents the original ten planks within the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart for each of the planks. From comparison it’s clear MOST Americans have by myths, fraud and deception under the color of law by their own politicians in both the Republican and Democratic and parties, been transformed into Communists.

          Another thing to remember, Karl Marx in creating the Communist Manifesto designed these planks AS A TEST to determine whether a society has become communist or not. If they are all in effect and in force, then the people ARE practicing communists.

          Communism, by any other name is still communism, and is VERY VERY destructive to the individual and to the society!!

          The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are…

          1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

          Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)

          2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

          Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State “income” taxes. We call it “paying your fair share”.

          3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

          Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

          4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

          Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public “law” 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of “terrorists” and those who speak out or write against the “government” (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc…).

          5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

          Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

          6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.

          Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver’s licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

          7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

          Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read “controlled or subsidized” rather than “owned”… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

          8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

          Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two “income” family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920′s, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

          9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.

          Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public “law” 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.

          10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

          Americans are being taxed to support what we call ‘public’ schools, but are actually “government force-tax-funded schools ” Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based “Education” . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like “majority rules”, and “pay your fair share”. WHERE are the words “fair share” in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is “fair share” even suggested !! The philosophical concept of “fair share” comes from the Communist maxim, “From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. … America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC … Teaching ourselves and others how to “fish” to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be “needy”… Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.

          Do changing words, change the end result? … By using different words, is it all of a sudden OK to ignore or violate the provisions or intent of the Constitution of the united States of America?????

          The people (politicians) who believe in the SOCIALISTIC and COMMUNISTIC concepts, especially those who pass more and more laws implementing these slavery ideas, are traitors to their oath of office and to the Constitution of the united States of America… KNOW YOUR ENEMY …Remove the enemy from within and from among us.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Thank you for that reply supported by facts and argument.

            I respect you and your effort to provide information that can change my mind by pursuasion rather than insult.

            Here is my counterpoints:

            The Marxist may be the points made by Karl Marx. The interesting thing about Karl Marx is (and I’m only telling you this because I find it ironic and historically coincidental, synchronistic or miraculous, depending on viewpoints on religion) he was supported by Engels, a fellow who ran manufacturing plants using labor resources to produce products demanded in Germany at that time and place. That was also the time that Bismarck was trying to unite the various regions and components of the great ethnic area of Germany that had defeated the Roman empire years earlier that had led to the social wanderings of European nation state formations back in those days.

            Bismarch united the Germans into a nation state with such things as retirement, labor unions, health care, etc, etc, that underlaid many of the kinds of programs that FDR created during the great Depression.

            Marx influence some of that as well as the underlying morality of Christ’s teachings of doing unto your neighbor as you would do to yourself.

            History is an intermix of ideas, cultural evolution and historical influences. It is such an intriguing area to study, let alone engage in a game of what if’s of what could have been if such and such and the other had prevailed or come in to influence the development of mankind.

            Now, that being noted, I am a little suspicious of the source of your quotes on the rules laid out by Karl Marx as a formation of communism. It comes from the selection library of this website that has a bent to the interpretation of those principles.

            But, it does hold up a mirror for me to look and see how my fixed opinions (remembering that there are 4 basic personality types in the world of psychology that determine how we process and adopt challenges to the way we see things) are going to interpret your information.

            When I read the rules as orginally posted, and you examples of the drift you see towards communism of the U.S., I can see how you would be concerned. Yet I don’t see the examples you give as any threat to the basic democratic principles set up back in 1776 and even now to be any concern.

            In a Democracy, there is a balance between the best interests of the person on mainstreet versus the megalithic economic powers that grow to be with the finanancial accumulations of wealth that happen in a free market economy. During the Teddy Roosevlet Administration, back in 1901-1909. He was against the “Robber Baron” tactics or Carnegie, Roosevelt, Rockerfeller and Hill to subject the other business people by control of key industries like railroads, manufacture, finance, etc. Out of several depressions and recognitions of this negative affect on constituents came the anti-trust provisions. During this time came a separate track of counter economic pressure like the labor unions. I really enjoy the history of the Teamsters because of the rich mixture of fightback that included corruption and sweetheart dealings and all the drama of the evelution of this country.

            We are, I would claim, in a golden age of this economic/political balance of power in our Democracy. I prefer the conservative politics of the 1950′s conservatives like Bill Buckley. I was always suspicious of his points of view due to my Christian upbringing that was influenced by my mother who was a closet Democrat married to my dad who was in my face at meals defending Nixon’s Watergate scandal as a Republican.

            But, I alway learned something from Bill Buckley when I listened to his discussions, debates and arguments. He was from the era when the Republican and Democrats had gone to war against Germany and Japan and had fought side by side against common enemies. Ike was the General elected president who warned us against the “military industrial complex”. I was depressed when I got on the bus and heard the other kids saying that Kennedy had defeated Nixon. I dropped out of Law school when Nixon resigned even though I did not appreciate his Republican principles due to my mother’s closet Democrat and church morality.

            So, do I think this country is turning communist?

            Heh!!!

            We are so far away from that, unless you consider Democracy to be a form of communism, that the U.S. could ever be.

            There are too many examples of why we are not totally communistic, despite the very thin examples you give. You must have looked long and hard to produce those examples and twist them into example of how we are morphing into a communist state. The alternative to what you cite is either regional or smaller centers of power to enable those kinds of social and material infractstructure or to deliver it by pure Fascist political and economic enslavement.

            And there at the end of Democracy, I will bring out my guns to resist that overthrow of political and economic control by asymetric tactics of whatever inventive kind I and the other 99% of the American people who will object just like I do. Whoever rules at that point will rule from a isolated hill of ashes.

            Final point, I do not support charter schools funded by my tax monies. If you want to have private schools to teach like some kind of madrasa with only your flavor of political and religious ideology, don’t ask for my public subsidized tax monies to support it. I will support only public schools where the kids get a chance to intermix, learn from each other and have the best results of a melting pot cultural experince that is the essence of a healthy Democracy

          • who cares

            JC, it all started with bush, and it will continues with bush remember the patriot act.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          Radio, damn right it would be better, at least with us, they’d learn how to be self sufficient, how to be and stay a family, consisting of one man and one woman, and learn how to help those in need__if more knew how to do this, life cousiling offices wouldn’t be so full, the welfare line, the food banks and the salvation army wouldn’t be so busy- and the Government wouldn’t have to play daddy and mommy although they would try___the total breakdown of the family united is the root cause of a lot problems__every bodys too worried about themselves___it’s all ME, ME, ME!!__GOD BLESS

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Thank you for that “God Bless”. That makes me feel easier about debating with you.

            One point, I was homophobic before I had a little more life experience. When I was young, I thought it weird that anyone could be attracted to members of the same sex. That feeling was strengthened by a guy I worked with that said prior to his going to Japan at the very end of WWII as part of the occupation forces, he had been propositioned by a gay guy before getting on a streetcare in Minneapolis. The guy telling the story knocked this other person on his ass and then got on the streetcar.

            Many year later, after my devorce and decompression from that sad experience when I could afford to date again after years of child support, I was going with a lady living in Minneapolis. Her neighbors were going to have a birthday party. They were two gay guys, one of which was having a birthday, working at Abbot Northwestern Hospital in upper level positions, who were inviting gay and lesbian friens from all over the country to come and celebrate the one person’s birhtday with them. They were renting a double-decker bus and stopping at 3 known gay and cross dressing bars in the St. Paul and Minnepolis area. I decided to strike one up for being a straight guy with a straight gal and join her and her neigbors during this birthday part celebration.

            Besides, there was always the potential that I could have an opportunity to straighten out a lesbian or two and return her to the preferred way of life. But, joke aside, two of these gals that stayed at my romantic straigt gal’s house were two of the more attractive gals I have met in my life. I just did not have the courage, and maybe I was smart enough to keep things civil, to inquire about possibilities.

            We went on this bus ride. I took in a transvestite contest for karaoke singing and was smiling in appreciation of this guy who had on a miniskirt that looked better than more than a few women I knew. He gave me a dirty look and stalked away and I was left with the wonder of what I had done to piss him off.

            Later that night, when dancing with my romantic friend who had invited me, she told me that some guy had been eyeing me up and checking my but. That was wierd. I probably would have ruined the party if he had made a pass and I had put him on his ass like the guy at the streetcar I told you about above.

            But, the thing that I learned from the experience was that these people are intelligent people just like the rest of us. They contribute to society just like married couples do and try to survive the best they can. Now lately, we are hearing about genes that determine psycholigical preferences. So, I just won’t make judgments there, especially with the end of Mathew 22, about my fellow humans.

            The only time would be if a pass would be made by a gay guy. That would be a challenge to keep by fists down.

            BUT, the mother or others at the welfare line is where I always keep in mind: would they be willing to change situations with me in a New York minute if they could?

            God bless you too. We are both better for this debate.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Radio, I’m not homophobic, I think it’s wrong because God says it’s wrong.__this is off the thread__I don’t think gay couples should qualify for the same benefits as hetero-couples, WHY?__ in conclusion, when a gay couple can have a baby without intervention, then they deserve to have the benefits (that phrase was pointed out by someone else on another thread on here, I can’t take credit for it)__but it explains exactly the way I feel. To me and this is my view, A gay lifestyle is self serving and self gratification, it produces no fruit.

          • Joe H.

            angel,
            He took a page right out of the book, He didn’t want to answer any more questions on that point so he switched to gays. watch him lady!!!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JeffH, I’m on it, that’s why I said this is off thread ;)

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            But, the counter argument is that is procreation the only purpose of marriage? Isn’t that reducing it to an animalistic rationale?

            Would that also do away with elderly people getting married and having sex even though the guy could not inseminate due to a lifetime which has reached the point of neuropathic damage that there is no ejaculation at the point of orgasm. And even otherwise for that, if the woman no longer ovulates because here age has brought her past any more production of eggs, what is to be their fate?

            Could they not get married to have the companionship and love and emotional support they should be entitled to seek out and enjoy as fellow creatures in this reality?

            And if it is okay for them, why would we concern ourselves about the private lives of same sex couples who are seeking the same creature comforts in their attempt to live with the same kinds of quality of life?

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Hide them!

      • Meteorlady

        As long as they are unregistered you might be able to hide them. But don’t count on your neighbors not turning you in, they want what you have.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          I hear ya, un-fortunatley I found out a long time ago not everyone is your friend. They hate you if your ugly, their jealous if your pretty and if you have talent and a lil’ bit of intteligence on top of that, your screwed!

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            I have always tried to have respect for the rules even though I often didn’t like them.

            Lately, I have lost respect for a lot of the rules when I realized they were just someone else’s [offensive word removed].

      • Lewis Munn

        Sorry…hand guns go now. Have you permits and bullets ready…you are on their list! The NRA MEMBERS can keep their weapons until the election is over, and then have to surrender them all…they traded a last hunting season for their votes to put Healthcare in. So nice of Obama!! So nice of the NRA to volunteer to help Obama.

        After this, only the goon squads and criminals are allowed guns. Period. Criminals with guns help keep the nation healthy!! Goon squads keep the government healthy!

    • Meteorlady

      AmLib – you need to get some facts before you give us information.

      Start here:

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/economy-watch/timeline/index.html

      That’s the time line for the bailouts.

      Then search on the Bush tax cuts. They help EVERYONE some way or another. Does the marriage penalty mean anything? Does investment credits? Investment credits helped me because I’m saving for retirement and it allowed me to put away more money.

      Oh wait, you don’t read you just listen to the media so this information will go unread yet again.

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        How did all of those Bush II tax cuts help balance the budget in the face of war that will require a National debt payment that our kids will have to pay for?

        Did those job creation efforts come from starting a fraudulent war in Iraq?

        Did it mean a damned bit when people lost value of their retirement plans in the 2008 stock market crash?

        Did the retirement plans benefitted by Bush II count when so many had to cash them in to help survive when jobs where lost in the depression starting in 2008 due to Bush II mismanagement?

        • Meteorlady

          I know it useless but I’m going to try once more:

          President Bush expanded the federal budget by $700 billion through 2008. President Obama will add another $1 trillion.
          President Bush began a string of expensive financial bailouts. President Obama is accelerating that course.
          President Bush created a Medicare drug entitlement that will cost an estimated $800 billion in its first decade. President Obama has proposed a $634 billion down payment on a new government health care fund.
          President Bush increased federal education spending 58 percent faster than inflation. President Obama will double it.
          President Bush became the first President to spend 3 percent of GDP on federal antipoverty programs. President Obama has already increased this spending by 20 percent.
          President Bush tilted the income tax burden more toward upper-income taxpayers. President Obama would continue that trend.

          Fact – Clinton handed bush a balanced budget because of the federal reserve monetary policies. Bush ran up a deficit, but it was sustainable in the long term and when the wars ended the deficit would also go down. During his last two years in office the federal budget deficit was increased the most during his 8 year term. That was when the democrats took over and went on a spending spree. They are responsible for the budget you now see and for next year as well.

          President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            You are providing an element of confusion for me.

            One point for your side of the debate. We may not disagree on everything.

            My perspective is that is was a mistake to give a tax break to the upper earning levels, partticularly when we were looking at financing a legitimate war in Afghanistarn and a misbegotten war in Iraq.

            Clinton did not make a decision on reinvesting in programs to recover the dot-come collapse that created a foreshadow of the results coming down the line. I still, as an ex-Teamster during a part of my work life, reject NAFTA and CAFTA that shipped jobs out of the country that the middle class depended on to support families and pay taxes. Bush II was part of the Clinton-Bush II failure to recognize the affects on the American economy from that short term economic planning.

            We are going to have to challenge that negative balance of payment and rip-and-tear away of American jobs by recognizing “dumping” trade tactics like China’s insistence on holding their currency levels to an artificially low giving international trade advanteges (just like the American “too big to fail” policies learned from Mexico’s Clinton term recognition during the Mexican Bank collapse, we are too big to fail for China’s economic good) to China.

            I wish that Garret’s website had an ability to post your piece directly above so I would not need to scroll up to find and respond to your reply.

            But, that’s part of what my reply is.

          • Meteorlady

            Thanks for no name calling. That was nice. As for your comment, you too have a few valid points.

            I guess the point here is that all government is bad right now and has been for quite a long time. It needs fixing and it needs it badly.

          • Joe H.

            meteorlady,
            Obummer has already added two trillion dollars!!!

      • Joe H.

        Meteorlady,
        Those investments don’t mean a thing to radidio. He’s on welfare!!!

      • momof4

        Meteorlady,
        Dont waste you time giving info to American Lib. All he has time for is to sit around all day and think about how Bush and the Republicans have done him wrong. He seems like a very bitter person.

        • Jana

          But, it was good to see it all written out like that. I copied it to keep. Good information for us all.
          I do agree though, these Socialists come on to this site to antagonize. These kind of people usually live in a house full of hot tempers, arguing, and disrespect of each other. How very sad.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Jana, I agree, I don’t have a problem stepping out of my comfort zone and could easily go on a liberal site__but their minds are so made up, what if any is the point?__It’s as you say, they are here to antagonize__and hope they find a confused conservative to turn their rhetoric onto__

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            I enjoy invading a opposing view website to debate. I am not afraid of picking up valid points to further my own education.

            I am curious about the steadfast hold that any person at any end of the political spectrum have to death grip hold their politcal views despite clear evidence that that position is not supported by the facts and arguments to the contrary.

            I am recomending an interesting website discussing propaganda that applies to the entire political spectrum:

            http://changingminds.org/techniques/propaganda/propaganda.htm

            Like I’ve said at other places, I enjoyed the late 20th century conservative Bill Buckley before the Aynn Rand Libertarian pulled the Republican camp so far right that the kind of partisan cooperation that came from congress people who had fought together in WWII was lost.

            The libertarian Ron Paul is a doctor death of the American economy that require the good faith and credit of the U.S. government to keep our government from colapsing like a house of cards where bread, potatos and guns would be the only acceptable and trusted form of monetary exchange for goods and services.

            If you have the courage and desire to educate memebers of the opposite end of the political spectrum, I suggest going to a website I contribute to at http://mumblingrepublican.com

            Perhaps common ground can be found on two points common in the news these days: Condemnation of unmarried church leaders abuse children instead of getting married; and free enterprise should include the right of home owners to raise enough pot on their property to afford the mortgage payments.

            I can’t resist that in-your-face reply to those who would attempt to discredit my debate points, not with good counterpoints, but with insults meant to discredit just like propaganda campaigns.

    • Don Tremaine

      American Liberal,
      There is a major difference between “Health care reform” and this “Disastrous Federal takeover” of the health care system. Tax payers being forced to pay for abortion, and health care payments for the people who don’t have insurance. Throughout the history of America, there has not been one single program run by the government that has been as cost effective as the private sector. Heath care cost is the only real issue. Heath care in America itself, is second to none in any country of the world. The cost of health care insurance is high because of many factors. Just a few examples are the over bearing big government regulations, frivolous lawsuits, affirmative action, limiting the number of doctors allowed to attend medical school… Affirmative action in regards to health care goes hand in hand with the limiting of the number of doctors allowed to enter medical school. While unqualified students who end up dropping out, took the place of a better equipped student that was dropped. I am not a racist, I think that reverse discrimination is worse than regular discrimination, because it is perpetrated by the government as a mandate. This makes the majority suffer. Malpractice suits are out of control. There are fewer and fewer doctors passing medical school under the pretense that only qualified doctors should be allowed is BS. Doctors are not Gods, they are human and do not work miracles and do not deserve the outlandish incomes. More doctors will create competition. More options will create competition. Government run anything removes competition, thus, increases the cost. The problem here is that the so called “poor” get theirs paid by the so called “rich”. In other words if you have a job that provides insurance you’re rich and will not only pay for yours, but you will pay for theirs as well. This alone is un-American. It is marxist, communist, progressive, extreme left liberal crap. It IS being forced down our throats. The vast majority of people do not want this. They want reform not a takeover. Watch, next comes cap and tax. Energy prices will skyrocket, jobs will be lost, nothing good will come out of this administration. Unless we can stop this insanity we will become yet another failed experiment in freedom.

      • Mike

        Please go to CSPAN and look at the 640 entries of the CSPAN coverage of the Health Care debate.
        One thing you did not address was how to you stop the 900,000 FAMILY Medical bankruptcies every year, where 60% have health insurance that does not pay.
        How do you solve the problem of when you declare Medical Bankruptcy, credit destroyed for ten years, in our state, if your home is paid up like mine at $250,000 value, I have to cash in my home equity and pay all of it except for $20,000?
        How do you solve the problem of 45,000 people who die without access to health care, either been forced out because of pre-existing condition and premiums they cannot afford. A young family, just recently had to choose between a $1400 Health Insurnce premium and a $1200 mortgage. Having a new baby and complications with the mothers health, they lost their house in a short sale, sold it for less than they owed, and knocked on their parents home and asked to live in their basement.
        The 32 million that will become eligible for health care insurance does not include the 12 million illegal aliens. Those days, of showing up at the emergency room, gettng health care, create a bill then running back to Mexico leaving the hospital with the bill are over.
        Please look at CSPAN and the health care blog and watch some of the 640 entries since May 2009 to present.

        • Sam

          This bill is not about health care. This is another step in a “Bloodless (for now) Coup d’Etat”. This is a vehicle for the Marxist Socialists to get their hands on the monies to fund the rest of Obama’s Communist Agenda, for a complete takeover of America.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            That’s real American of you to threaten violence when you don’t get your way every time.

            I am sure the FBI is monitoring this website. So if anyone gets hurt, the secret identity of everyone here will be revealed for inciting violence and insurrection.

            That would provide interesting “survival show” tv drama as people are brought up before congressional investigative hearings, sort of like the early 1950′s McCarthy Hearings.

          • Jana

            RAD,
            That’s what your heroes all did, blow up buildings (Bill Ayers) and all of your hippie liberal friends who lived off their parents money while shouting out how free they were while they were taking drugs and living ‘the life’. Your minds are so messed up from all of that that you have no common sense or reasoning powers.
            AND BOY DOES IT SHOW!.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Tremaine/Jana

            The U.S. Post Office has worked very well for over 200 years. Social Security has worked well since 1933. The Federal Highway system has worked well since the early 1950′s until they started to sell off the rights to private companies and state subsidiaries to charge toll fees for every 40 mile section of road.

            Provide jobs for the unemployed instead of allowing your corporate Fascists to ship them out of the country under NAFTA and CAFTA trade scams.

            Your reasoning power comes from Rant Radio and politicians forced to echo the views of Rush Limbug, Hysterical Hannity and Bozo Beck. You have no knowledge of the Vietnam and hippie era where students were being shot by the National Gaurd at places like on the campus Kent State in Ohio in 1969 during a citizen right to protest a war that was a clear example of Dulles Doctrine political inflexibility.

            Your generation will have your minds messed up by alcohol, expanding Mexican drug wars, economic and political Fascism and the terror of returning Iraqi/Afghan vets with traumatic brain injuries set to go sociopathic when confronted by any opposing point of view, or maybe none at all.

            You need to mature a very great deal to start of see the bigger picture.

          • Jana

            Poor Rad,
            It’s a good thing you aren’t contagious. But you are a contamination. YUK.

          • Joe H.

            Rad,
            I hate to inform you but the post office is broke. they are already considering dropping Saturday delivery. medicare is bankrupt and has been for about 8 years. I now know you live in the Chicago area. That hwy around the city is just what you just described!!! now I understand why you support Obummer so much!! He’s a homeboy!! you were so lame as to vote for him simply because he was from your home town!!! What a lamer!!

          • Joe H.

            Rad,
            As for your VietNam post, I was there for 18 freakin, worthless months. YOU are the only one that doesn’t have a clue about it. As for Kent State, My sister was attending there when it happened. the shootings were not the fault of the national guard or the students. it was caused by outside antagonizers that had no business being on campus in the first place. It was people like you and yours that made the sacrifices of others in vain. You and the liberal post!!! you guys make me sick as you wouldn’t serveand chose to leave instead but you still couldnt’t leave it to just being a coward you just had to make people die in vain you scum!! i appologize to the rest of the people here and I don’t like to let loose like this but you just suck!!!

          • JC

            Let’s not confuse advocating violence with “venting”. People are understandably frustrated with the communist takeover of our country.
            And if the FBI or any other police agency is watching this site, we can only hope that they are Americans Patriots who are loyal to the country and its principles. I’m sure they have hopes and dreams for their children too.

          • Meteorlady

            OMG – Radio has gone off the deep end. He’s either delusional or has been in the basement of his mom’s house too long. SS good? Post Office working well? Medicare working well?

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Jana/Joe H/JC/Meteorlady

            Jana -Jana, you really need to come back with a reply that has intelligence. Your reply is juvenile.

            Joe H -Joe H, the Post Office is not broke. They had a negative revenue year and are cutting costs hugely by reverting to a 40-hour work-week. Otherwise, they could increase the costs of postage just like FedEx and UPS.

            As for your second reply post: -You suck with your anal revisionist history. If you were in Vietnam when the single tour was 11 months, you got an early out on your second tour. You were not a point man on patrol going out from firebases with an M16 to risk hearing the “klack” of a AK47. What were you doing, serving supper bank at some rear area in Saigon?
            The “outsiders” were nowhere to be found on the Kent State campus. The outsiders were the right wing wing-nuts Gestapo Sergeant Schultzes in charge of the National Guard Unit that were going to show these “young punk college students” a thing about protesing and undeclared war like the Chicago Mayor Daly Gestapo police did during the Chicago Democratic Convention in Grant Park. So don’t pour your putrid revision history on me and expect me to anoint your version of the facts as the truth.
            Nixon flew to China to cut a back room deal with Mao Tse Tung to pull the strings of Ho Chi Minh to end the Viet war and get them to finish negotiations in Paris France instead of didling at the cost of more Vietnamese and American lives like the 3 from my home town, one who still remains MIA.
            No, I am not from Chicago. I enjoy the June Chicago Blues Festival there when I can though, especially the end of day nightclub blues groups around the city on the north side.

            JC -What communist takeover? Where is your alternative reality located? Can you try to get treatment for that dysfunctional fantasy?
            When you make cute threats to “keep powder dry”, wing-nuts can easily interpret that to take “Friday” as the day to pull out guns and use them wherever they think it a good target.

            When your leader Garret says that kind of crap, and you spend time to support it as one of his 15-25 lemming follower with a paycheck incentive, I hope he is paying you overtime for the work.

            Meteorlady -You should answer your question with specific points. Why don’t you don’t believe that Social Security, the U.S. Post Office and Medicare is working well. Medicare was set to be out of funds by 2017 but with the 2010 Health Care Reform law, it has been given another 10 years of financial solvency.

            I sure hope your cute. Otherwise, your brainpower is not going to get your anywhere.

          • Joe H.

            Staticup north (AS IN HIS BRAIN)
            I was a door gunner/crewchief for the whole 18 months. I pulled a year and extended for six months. Get your facts straight. i was at ihn Long in the delta. i was a red knight and we had a 985 mission completion rate!! you are so brainless and a COWARD it isn’t funny. what did you do beg the government to let you come back after you ran from the war??? Just like your hero Clintoon that protested against this country on foreign soil!!
            Ask anybody that was with the 1stof the seventh air cav about the UH1b masts sticking out of VC lake in the Umen forest jerk.
            There WERE outsiders on Kent during the demonstrations and the take-over of the office. you need to read something more than your progressive revisionist history pamphlets!!!

          • Joe H.

            run,
            did you have problems reading the post?? He meant without bloodshed as yet caused by the obum side!!! the man said he’s worried their may be bloodshed brought on by Obummers goons!!!

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            JeffH

            Lock and load, you dinkey dau wannabe hiding deep in some frag tent!!

            Let me know where you want to meet to see about your real courage.

            I never followed orders real well, and am not impressed with your fakey-ass chest beating. You should just go someplace and slap your monkey. It would really serve you better and keep you out of trouble with me.

        • KansasKid58

          Obamacare does include illegal aliens. If they apply for health insurance under Obama’s exchange they will be accepted because no one…did you hear me…no one will be asked to provide any proof of their legal status in our country. So this will mean that if Americans and legal immigrants want to see a doctor or have a procedure done or perhaps a life saving surgery done they will have get in line behind the illegal aliens. I can’t wait to go to my doctor’s office and see all the illegals in the sitting room making my healthcare more diffult to get and pay for because they get it for free under Medicaid with Obamacare’s health exchanges.

          Also didn’t you hear that Obama once again promised amnesty to certain members of Congress during his Obamacare cram down??? Of course that will mean many millions of Democratic voters. Gee, isn’t Chicago style corruption making you feel good about your country!

          And lastly please get some facts before you speak about anything. The pro amnesty groups such as LaRaza, LULAC and MALDEF have been deceiving Americans for years about the number of illegal aliens in our country by saying there are “only” 12 million illegal aliens here now. Well they have been saying 12 million for over 15 years now. The Federal Government’s U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)has estimated that 1 million illegal aliens (65% from Mexico) have been coming to our country since 1995. Before 1995 they estimate that 750,000 entered illegaly each year. Using USCIS information that would mean at the number of illegal aliens in our country currently is at a minimum 25,000,000. And how many Americans are out of work and underemployed??? The only solution is to mandate
          E-Verify for all employers in our country and give those jobs back to Americans and legal immigrants (my grandfather proudly was one of those)!

          • momof4

            KansasKid58,
            Well said!!!

          • Meteorlady

            Well said. The illegals population is far greater than the government would have you believe. Eisenhower deported 8 million illegals from this country during his presidency. Why? To give jobs back to Americans and get the economy moving again. It took him just two years – two years! The flow of illegals was slowed to a crawl. Then it started again because we didn’t secure our borders and stop the inflow.

            In 1986 we gave amnesty to some 2.5 million. Many of those – about 80% – got it through fraud and were not legally eligible for it. The argument from our government was that they would pay taxes, better themselves through education and generally make us a better country. The government also stated that we would secure our borders and this would never happen again. 10 years later they were costing us $10 million a year from antipoverty programs. Most then applied to bring their families into the country – that added another 6.8 million and another increase in antipoverty program applicants.

            Now our border as a sieve and illegals are flooding this country with their false papers and documentation in order to apply for amnesty. If do this again, we are insane. As Albert says “You cannot keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.” This isn’t about right, it’s about a low paid labor force for business and a hugh voting block for socialists.

            Illegal is illegal and we are a country of laws. If we let this keep happening we will start giving breaks to bank robbers because they have a need to better themselves and their families with more money.

          • Jana

            Meteorlady, Not JUST FALSE papers, but STOLEN Social Security numbers. mine was used by someone else, and I ended up using Lifelock. The SS Admin. let me know about it, then it showed up on my credit report. Thankfully it was caught before any damage was done.

          • Joe H.

            Meteorlady,
            I heard on the radio today that over 25% of the illegals in this country are on WELFARE!!! Also, very few of them go after the menial task jobs like the libbies would have us believe. they are doing sheetrock work, painting,construction, and welding. all good paying jobs that almost any American would be GLAD to do!!! And now Obummer wants to give them amnesty?!?!?! He’s even screwing his voting base. I will say as of late he is an equal opportunity screwer!!!

          • carol

            Guys, stop worrying about the illegals on Obamacare. They won’t be able to find a doctor to treat them. Problem is…..neither will you.

        • Joe H.

          Mike,
          do you honestly think this plan is going to lower premiums?!?!?! Caterpiller and three of the bigger employers have said they will force the older employees onto medicare as the premiums will be about 60% higher!! Many are threatening to drop all coverage to retirees also. you have a father, mother, aunt, or uncle that are retired??? Think they will be able to make up the difference that medicare will NOT pay??? They don’t pay much NOW and when they take 50 billion in cuts out of it they won’t pay much of anything. The Mayo clinic in arizona has already said they won’t accept any medicare patients after the first of the year due to payments not even paying the overhead let alone the med costs. Also late payments were cited!!! Please don’t piss up my leg and tell me it’s raining!!!

          • Meteorlady

            Don’t forget that retirees took some hugh hits on their retirement investments because of the Wall Street meltdown. These people are spread thin already and they are asked to give yet more for the non-productive members of our society. Just doesn’t make sense. These people helped build this country and deserve better.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            meteorlady, I agree, they ignore our military, those that are mamed and die to keep us free and treat our elderly with contempt_Society is in chaos__

        • tedcrawford

          It’s called irresponsibility! You, and ONLY you, are responsible for the needs of your family! If you can’t afford a family, don’t start one! If you can’t afford that house and all the other needs of your family, get a different house! A wise person plans for the worst case. If it never happens you are in wonderful shape! If it does, you are prepared for it.
          I’m over 60. I’ve lost everything twice in my life. Once was for medical reasons. I made the right choice, my wife survived and we started over. We’ve built a stronger, and thankfully smarter life. The wise person learns from their mistakes, but only if they deal with the results of their decisions. If someone else saves their bacon not much of value is learned!

          • Joe H.

            ted,
            Amen brother!!! My father was the one that taught me how to survive. he went through the depression, gained ground then lost everything, went into the service for six years and then when he got out, started welding!!! He welded the rivets inside army tanks with bare rod. this was done because when hit by a round the rivets were doing more damage than the rounds. They would fly all over the inside of the tanks!!!

      • Cella

        GET YOUR FACT STRAIGHT IDIOT. NO, NO,NO, FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ABORTIONS. YOU ARE A BIG LIAR . YOU LIE!!!!!! BROKEN RECORD WITH NOTHING TO BACK IT UP. HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT DONUT HOLE BEING FILLED IN. IT WILL SAVE SENIORS MILLIONS. QUIT WATCHING FOX. READ AND GET THE FACTS. I GO TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY, AND NO WHERE IS THE HATE THAT PEOPLE LIKE GLEN BECK PROVIDE, IS THERE. GLEN BECK IS NOT MY GOD. NEVER WILL BE. AND I WILL NEVER HATE PEOPLE THAT ARE LESS FORTUNATE THAN I AM. AND IF YOU THINK YOU ARE BIG CHRISTIANS. LAUGH OUT. WHEN I AM WALKING INTO HEAVEN YOU WILL ALL BE GOING TO HELL. I DO LIKE THAT STATEMENT”WHORING WITH OTHER GODS” THAT IS THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY AND THEIR FIXATION WITH GLEN BECK. GOD HELP YOU ALL.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          WOW, A CRABBY DAY!

          • Jana

            Cella, wow get a grip on yourself.
            Sure Obama wrote a mandate that said it will not pay for abortions, however that mandate is not LAW. It is just a piece paper that means for right now this is how I feel. You just watch little one, and you will see that mandate disappear.

          • Jana

            Cella is one of those hit and run antagonizers. Like most of her kind she is a coward.

        • popeye

          sorry but going to church everyday does not make you a christian. Your good deeds don’t get you into heaven there is one and only one way to get into heaven. That is through accepting Jesus christ as your personal saviour and then living in accordance to his guidelines for us written for us called the bible. I will not judge you that is for God to do but as a brother in christ I am oblicated to let you know that you are coming across as very angry and spiteful person. It’s ok to have disagreements but not to bash each other. Let me ask you a question. Do you believe that God is ok with Killing his children known as abortion.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            POPEYE, YOUR ARE SO RIGHT!

        • marvin

          Cella i say that you must be one of the 20million illegals here you say you are going to heaven and we the people that obay the law and belive in god are going to hell well hell why don,t i just come and move in with you eat your food drink your wine drive your car and knock up your illegal girl so you have a birthright baby as far as that goes hell you may be ok to sleep with but i don,t think so i don,t sleep with idiots that think they don,t have to obay the law illegal is just that not legal 1st time you get caught is a misdemeanor a fine plus up to 6 months jail and deportation 2nd time is a felony and you think it is ok to take [steal] food or a job that is not right fully yours from a citizen of this coutry that you have not earned nor have a right to you pull that in iran or china or cuba and you may never see the day light or most likely life so don,t give me your bleeding heart we are just a god loving hard working people that demand you give us citizenship to hell with your law

        • momof4

          Cella,
          YOU REALLY NEED TO GET A GRIP!!!!!!!

        • tedcrawford

          That progressive talking point is whats WRONG! The policies sold in the exchanges must contribute One dollar into a fund for “reproductive health”. Included in that category is abortion! Like with the sauce”it’s in there”!

        • Joe H.

          cella,
          I don’t know if the donut hole will be filled in, but I sure wish your pie hole would be filled in!!

      • JeffH

        Don Tremaine, much appreciate your comments as they are generally well thought out and sensible. To even make an attempt to converse with these liberal hacks is fruitless. They are certainly here for one reason and one reason only, to disrupt this site, make people angry and get them to say something threatening against their socialist party and president. More than likely they are paid by one of George Soros’ liberal organizations or groups that haunt the conservative internet sites.

    • Michael

      You just don,t get it. 400 billion national det 2007
      Now we are over a trillion. Kept on drinking the KOOL-AID

    • Sam

      Nancy Pelosi remarked that we are giving the voters what they need, not what they want! Who declared her God, that she tells us what we need.Now they are crying at the anger directed at them, after they violently and illegally crammed this bill down our throats, in violation of the US Constitution. Sam, Senior, Veteran, Oathkeeper,Tanker, 2nd Armored Cavalry, 1959-1962. P,S, Didn’t the members of the US Congress take the same oath that I took, “to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, from all enemies, foreign and domestic”. I guess they lied as usual when they raised their right hands.

      • Joel Kruskie

        I just got an e-mail from senator Carl Levin. He was on TV the other day with marines just back from afghanistan. They didn’t know that he recomended no back up for them, I proceded to inform him what a sleeze ball he is. I suprised he even keeps me on his e-mail list.

      • Joe H.

        Sam,
        they are liberals, they raise their left hand. that way they don’t have to keep their word!!!!

    • bill d

      try being informed instead of just opinionated. google “social justice” and “progressives” obama is a self proclaimed progessive also pelosi and many others as well. check out what those words and the idiology attached to them mean and see if that is really what you want for your family and our country, if it is what you want, then move to cuba or the soviet union and leave this nation alone. all that voted for obama care bill should be impeached because they swore uphold and protect the United States Constitution against all enemies foriegn and DOMESTIC, which this senate, congress and president crap all over it every chance they get so it’s a constant attack and it has to stop before we become subjects instead of citizens.

      • marvin

        bill d you did not say anything about the bribing of federal officials by obama and pelosie and reid with the ben nelson mary landrew and the rest that took a bribe to vote for obama care there are people in jail for the same thing this is a criminal act/acts by the great and allmity OBMAMA THE GREAT BUT NOV 2010 AND 2012 we the 70% that don,t want a nanny socalist liberal bigger goverment can show are disdane and kick the lying back stabing the yes we can bankrup this country progressives/liberals befor you vote find out were thay stand but vote the set down shut up we know what is best can not hear you bunch out and vote them in that work for we the people

      • JeffH

        bill d, if you don’t already know, you might want to check this out:
        http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/behind_barack_obama_188.html

    • marvin

      to American liberal so you think that back room deals and out right bribing is ok , liberalism is a brain imbalance you think ever one wants a nanny state were the goverment is in charge the same people that run the post office the va and medicare and ss ,medicaid s.chip how is that working out,all broke and you think it is ok for the irs to enforce the obamacare with 16 to 17000 new agents at starting wage of 33000 and up that will save a lot of money and all the new goverment and bigger goverment agency to mandate this great new power to tax you more and make i said make you get something under law or be fined or jail mabe you can get a job working for ol liberal obama you would fit right in with their forced set down shut up i won,you disagree and we will get in your face,acorn forced unionism illegal/amnesty loving bunch i am a citizen not a subject of this country and we will see in nov 2010 and 2012 just who thinks like you that it is ok to take what you have and give it to the goverment to hand out as they deem

    • http://www.quotegarden.com/honesty.html R. Goodwin

      The conservatives and liberals a like all agreed that we needed to have health care reform. When this debate started the liberals wanted to TAKE OVER health care (which they have done) the conservatitives wanted REFORM… ie, tort reform (which is not in this bill).
      Do you understand why Canada has CHEAP medical drugs? The government controls Health care… you can’t sue the government! In the United States you have the right to sue whomever you want without limitation. Hence, our medical drugs are expensive because these lawsuits must be figured into the cost of the products the Pharmecutical company’s sell.
      The debate was 47 million without health care? Now it’s 33 million have health care. If anyone believes that this is about health care all you need to understand is Social Security. When FDR put that broken system in place in 1933 the average American citzen died at age 62, hence the pay out at 65. You were never suppose to get that money ever! Also, that money was not ear-marked with your name, it goes into the general fund. This is all about control.
      If you liberals think for one minute that this debate of health care has anything to do with saving lives, or ensuring all Americans you’re crazy. Once, the government controls health care they get to tell you how you live. Example, do you smoke? are you over weight? who determines what the proper weight of Americans should be? Nancy Pelosi? Do you eat red meat? Are you mechanic? Do you drink Alchol? Do you work in a Chemical plant? Do you work in an Automobile manufacturing facility? Do you live in a Large City with Air Polution? Do you farm wheat? How old are you? What is you income? What is your potential earning capabilities? If you think this is about health care you’re crazy! Once the government runs health care they get to decide if you live and if you life has value based on the medical treatement or proceedure you’re going to need as you age!
      Social Security is broke!
      Medicare is broke!
      Medi-Cal is broke!
      If your hope is that America becomes like Europe than I suggest you move there! Margaret Thatcher told Ronald Reagan in 1975 that she wished they had never passed Universal Health Care because the system is broke! Well guess what in Britian today it’s even worse! I am always amazed at the number of liberals that tell me that they want a system like Canada or Europe this country is still free which means you are welcome to leave! If you desire a system that tells you what you can do and how you can do it, then move to those countries that already have those systems in place!
      The Constitution is our document that is to protect us from our government! Protect us FROM our government! The Constitution was written by men who understood that the government is not your mother or father! Remember Ronald Reagan said the most frightening words in the English Language is “I’m from the government and I’m here to Help” People wake up!
      If you live in the State of California then you understand what liberals will do! They destroy! Period that is their goal. If you live in a red state and don’t want to live in a blue state then rethink for whom you vote. All blue states are run by liberals and their states are broke!
      IN California we have an agency called CARB Mary Nichols is a big time liberal and wants to “clean our air” Ok, I’m for clean air sounds great! However, here AB32 will KILL 1 Million jobs in our state! When this fact was brought up to her, she responded with “That is not my concern”! ONE MILLION jobs lost in this economy is not her concern? Taxing the businesses that run commerce in our state is not her concern?
      FOLKS you better wake up! Once they have control of the schools they have your children! Once they have your retirement they control how you retire and when, once they have health care they control what you eat, drink, live, and the number children you can have!
      Benjamin Franklin said it best when the Declaration of Indpendence was signed when he said “I have given you a Republic I pray you can keep it.”
      We are witnessing the demise of our Free Republic! OH, I know you libs are saying oh Ross you’re just crazy! Am I? Our Country was founded on Judeao-Christian principles and yet our President has said, “we are not a Christian Nation.” You think all I have said can’t happen here! Think again! It’s already taken place!
      The frog is boiling! Will anyone reach in the pot and rescue the frog?
      Welfare destroyed the black family! That is a fact! Abortion was not about a womens right to choose it was about destroying families! Social Security was not about retirement it was about control! Taking the bible out of our public schools was not about religious freedom it was about taking God out of our lives. Taking prayer out of schools was not about freedom of choice it was about control. Medicare was not about taking care of our elderly it was about control. Planned communities was not about a better quality of life it was about control. Mass Transit is not about moving people from one place or another more quickly or safely it’s about control. Heath Care is not about taking care of those who are sick it’s about control. The Constitution is not about limiting what you can do as a free member of this soceity it’s about limiting or controlling what rights the Federal Government has over you life, it’s about control.
      So, K. Murray if your hope is that we become more like Canada, Japan, or Europe I invite you to purchase a one way ticket. And please leave your citizenship card at the air port on your way out!

      • Joe H.

        R. Goodwin,
        The biggest reason we pay so much for drugs is we are the only ones paying the cost of research. don’t believe it? look at the difference in price between a name drug and a generic!!! Why do you think meds are so cheap south of the border? Yes the government controlls the price but they are able to do so cuz they aren’t paying those costs. some of these drugs are in research 15 years before they go into trials. then you have developement also. then when they are finally introduced the company only has a two or three year lock on the meds before the other companies can make cheaper generics!! When that happens sales are going to drop to a quarter of what they were. They have to charge out the hind end to make up costs. I do agree, however that a dollar to three dollars for a pill is quite high and shouldn’t be so high!!

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          JOEh__The biggest reason we pay so much for drugs is we are the only ones paying the cost of research___Absolutely!__this Obamacrap is gonna hamper medical technology _ hell I’d rather pay a little more in private healthcare preminums, so the country can stay on top of the latest medical research and development across the board!__Why in the hell do these libs think people come here from different countries for healthcare, WHY?, because we are the best there is!___like I said before, it ain’t cheap or free!

      • BornRepublican

        Hi Goodwin
        Well said , I’m afraid that it is time to build a bunker or head for the hills and gather the Ammo I’ll conform when they tare my Gun from my cold dead hands….

    • American Libertarian

      What? Not crammed? Face it, we didn’t want it…By we I mean the hard working Americans that keep this amazing and God blessed country going, black and white. Not a matter of race but one of something greater.

      Obama knew it’s damage and did nothing to make things better, just ignore and sign away our spirit of freedom. Obviously he doesn’t know what happens when you piss off already irritated Americans. You make me laugh and sorry… Liberals are comedic and you just don’t know how we really got in the Great Depression… Do you even know what the Civil War really was??? And if you truly do and still believe what you’re fed, then change your name to European Puppet.

      Have European views, 160% fine with me. Support the destruction of America with your “Bald Communist” with them, you might not want to.

      • JC

        Amen to that Brother!

    • scott

      {offensive words removed}.you liberal,[offensive word removed] loveing scumbags bankrupted america in just a year ans a half after you got control of the house dirtbag.now your destroying it completely with your dumb,simpleminded thinking of spend and tax.osama did ram it down our throats moron,why do you think he haD to sneak it thru without voteing scumbag.why do you think so many americans are mad and sick of scum like you.because you do what you want for yourselfs,not what the people want.you and all the other liberal,democrat scum are going to be elliminated,just watch and see.

      • JeffH

        scott, if you truly want people to read your posts, you never ever use any racial slurs and for that matter gender slurs. That is what the liberals want you to do, and then you make the rest of us look worse. Please control yourself, get mad, but channel your anger with a little more “panache”.

        • libertytrain

          JeffH – Very well said.

        • Joe H.

          jeffH,
          Even with my temper, I have been telling them but I wonder if any of them are libbies in disguise???

          • JeffH

            Joe H., you can bet they are. Anything to discredit the opposition is fair game in Saul’s “Rules for Radicals”.

      • momof4

        Scott,
        JeffH is right. I know,I feel your frustration but you need to kool it and be respectful.

    • Annette

      To American Liberal:

      Have you been under a rock over the last year? Every single poll that came out over the last 8 months have had the MAJORITY of americans AGAINST Obamacare! What is the definition of “Cram”? I think that is it, however. It is funny that the longer the debate went on, the more people became oppossed; that is why the deadline to vote on this “Pig of a bill” kept getting pushed back. More people were catching on to how much it would cost and that bankrupting the country was not worth the cost of covering a few million more people on healthcare and giving up freedoms and liberties in the process.

      You say Obama ran on this. Did he say that covering 30 million more Persons would necessarily increase the cost of premiums, taxes, and would hurt businesses, of all sizes, and ration care. Did he say healthcare reform would bankrupt the country and put the govt in control of your care. No he didn’t. If he would have given those facts, no one would have supported it. He made it sound like healthcare for everyone would be FREE. How wonderful, how compassionate! He also said debate would be televised and bipartisan. Not on reconciliation,”you can’t govern like that,” Obama said back in 2007. I guess that only applies to when the republicans are in the majority.

      If they really want to provide healthcare for the 30 million who don’t have it, why don’t they just donate their tax paid incomes and pensions along with all of the Hollywood progressives who have made millions and millions because of CAPITALIST system that they all want to condemn. No one ever complains about how much money they make! They just want to condemn people who go out and make a living and provide for their families. Oh those evil responsible God loving do- gooders. How dare they have a 401K and real healthcare. They should be reliant on govt. like the rest of the union workers!

      One question. What happens if OBAMACARE fails? What then? Who do we blame and how do we hold them accountable for destroying our country and the best healthcare system in the world? Do you think they were bright enough to have a PLAN B, other than socialism, marxism?

      • American liberal

        Check USA today’s poll from yesterday…… 49% favor the bill…. 40% don’t …. The Cbs poll also shows positive support…. The bill helps small business, creates jobs and cuts the deficit…. Read the CBO report

      • American liberal

        Check USA today’s poll from yesterday…… 49% favor the bill…. 40% don’t …. The Cbs poll also shows positive support…. The bill helps small business, creates jobs and cuts the deficit…. Read the CBO report … You crazy rightwing fools sit in here allday insulting president Obama calling him every vile name that enters your tiny rightwing infested minds, you insult liberal, democrats .. And have the nerve to complain that I insult you?… That’s just to bad… It’s amazing.. Read your own post… You slander our country , insult democracy and the American voters and you’re going to whine because I insult you back?… Well that’s just tough

        • wendy

          YOU ARE SO DAM WRONG THE MIJORITY OF THE COUNTRY WERE AND ARE AGAINST OBAMA CARE. DO YOUR HOMEWORK UNTIL THEN STOP MAKING DUMB ASS COMMENTS ON THE MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Jana

            No, Am Lib, as per the norm for you radicals, it is 49% of the Dems that are in favor of it, not of the public as a whole.

          • Joe H.

            Jana,
            how dare you??? You mweren’t supposed to burst libbies bubble like that!! he didn’t count on anybody seeing that report. I saw it too!!! It was of the dems! what a lamer he is!!!

          • Smilee

            Wendy

            As of today many polls have now been taken, approval of the bill is now 48-49% and those opposed has dropped to 40% and those opposed are starting to listen what is really in the bill and starting to realize so much that they had heard before is mostly lies, we have been bombarded with these lies for over a half a year now, the more of the truth becomes known the more people will like it and I’m sure these numbers will go up quite a bit more, polls have always shown that a large majority wanted reforms but conservative lies confused them causing they polls for it to plummet now they are coming back up and I’m sure it will not be long before a large majority will like it. Pols also have shown a large number admitting they did not understand it. This will be popular legislation in the not to distant future. Remember in January when Brown won they said the bill was dead and would never pass in two months it sure did, they will be just as wrong about the election this fall, Republicans are still a very divided party and to satisfy the radicals in the party they are finding themselves having to support these lies, McCain is a Prime example, talk about a flip flopper, by fall you all on here will regret all the lies you have been a part of spreading, they will comeback to bite you, bring it on, losers.

          • JeffH

            Smilee is one of the manure spreaders of liberal propaganda. Dream on about your twisted sisters twisted figures on health care approval little boy libby.

          • Retired Marine

            I like how libs always resort to polls. It’s even more interesting when you find out the actual poll data. Like 20 libs polled in a liberal college or city. Then they extrapolate that to the rest of America. Most polls the libs follow are only a few hundred people polled and most are taken in liberal areas. It’s like saying it’s -5 degrees in Billings Montana today, so it’s -5 degrees in America. But they sure do believe in there polls. They even thought they won the election in a couple states, when Democrats counted votes were less than what they had polled.

          • JeffH

            Retired Marine, or a poll that asks if you support health care reform.
            When the poll shows 78% support HC reform, but the other poll shows 58% of Americans do not support Obama’s historic health care bill, they sell the 78% as approval for Obama’s debacle.

          • Retired Marine

            It’s all about lies, tricks, and behind closed door drug deal passing of legislature. Then they make smug comments like “they voted for socialism when they voted for Obama” and “You’ll learn to like it”.
            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/28/lawmakers-willing-gamble-public-anger-health-care/

            I’m tired of arrogant libs telling everyone else how to live while they do as they please.

          • who cares

            wendy, according to Fox OPINION News I would’nt trust them with the weather. brain dead wendy go to a real news source for all you needs See you look like an ASS already is no such thing as Obama care you mean PUBLIC OPTION. WHAT does OPTION MEAN????????????? the power or right of choosing see dumb ass. you do know what public means????

        • momof4

          Lib,
          If you looked up the word jerk in the dictionary. You know what you would find? Your piture!!!! HAHAHAHA now I feel better!!!

          • Jana

            Mom of 4,
            hahahaha. Too cute. Love it. I feel better too.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Annette, that’s what worries me, I didn’t want this socialized medicine crap either, most of it that’s in place doesn’t work, Massachusetts, Tennesse.__The Dems keep saying “we can keep our insurance , we have now”__BUT, if the companies we work for decide in time, the Government plan is more attractive( which is the way they wrote it) and cost effective, you know we will be forced on it, whether we want it or not___the private sector will be forced to compete with cost or forced out__the latter, we know is, what the dems are trying to do is collapse the private sector. If they are gone, and Obama care crashes, we are screwed!

        • Retired Marine

          Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Ret Marine __yes and that’s exactly what he wants.

    • Normal Guy

      Health care has passed so all the rhetoric spewing right wing dopes on this site can now see that their end of the world chicken little scenarios are just so much garbage.

      The reality is that the costs are already in the system, doctors are obligated under the Hippocratic oath to treat the ill. They are morally obligated to give care – the problem is that the care that they are providing has always been an added cost to those that are insured, and to those uninsured who pay their bills.

      American’s are now going to all share the burden and that will make it lighter for everyone. Good ongoing care will reduce the severity of the conditions they see from those that are the least fortunate in society and on top of that the threat of financial ruin for those unfortunate enough to lose or be denied coverage because of illness will be removed.

      You people need to stop listening to the right wing entertainment whores, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Colter and there support demons, and actually use your withering grey matter. People do have a right to healthcare; the Hippocratic Oath requires it, just like they have the right to an attorney if they are charged with a crime. Society has decided that there are basic human rights, doctors must treat the sick – period.

      When this legislation starts to impact regular American’s all the paranoid drivel will dissolve and Americans will see what scaremongers the right wing morons are. Health coverage for all American’s paid by all Americans, so no more bankruptcies from health expenses, no more lack of regular checkups, no more dying from simple problems that could have been diagnosed easily earlier on and most important – a much more civil society.

      This is not the end of America, it is an extension of the American dream that has be growing and evolving since this countries inception. Change is inevitable and adapting to the world is required. If great nations don’t grow and adapt they fail, this is a great day for America.

      • Joe H.

        ABnormalguy,
        If they are required to treat ALL, then why has the mayo clinic already announced they won’t take anymore medicare patients after the first of the year??? guess your crap doesn’t float too well does it!!

        • Normal Guy

          Well Joe

          As usual statements by right wing dopes not based on fact.
          The Mayo Clinic spent some 500 million on charity cost etc.

          http://www.mayoclinic.org/news2008-rst/4723.html

          Here is the quote from their page
          “* The total estimated cost of quantifiable community benefits — including medical research and education, charity care costs, unpaid portions of indigent care programs, and in-kind donations for relief efforts — was $536 million.”

          So my right wing research challenged fellow, as I said doctors take the Hippocratic oath. They treat the sick without exception – Except when HMO’s turn patients away, even when desperate.

          The oath

          “I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
          I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

          I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

          I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon’s knife or the chemist’s drug.

          I will not be ashamed to say “I know not,” nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient’s recovery.

          I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

          I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person’s family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

          I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

          I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

          If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.”

          • GregS

            So, what did all of that crap that you just spouted have to do with Joe’s question about Medicare patients no longer being accepted???

            Get off the drugs, you twit!!!

          • Normal Guy

            So Like I said doctors will provide care. At Mayo five doctors opted out of Medicare for primary services because they said it was not paying enough but if you wanted to pay fees on top you could stay. So the free market is at play at the same time other facilities, Arrowhead medical, said that because of efficiencies in operations they are happy to provide services to Medicare patients.

            You pack of chicken little’s just never look deep enough to understand any of the talking points you spew. This is not socialism dopes, it is national insurance with restraints that will create efficiencies.

            Oh and this whole red herring about Mayo dropping people does not change the original statement I made which is the costs are already in the system for those with no insurance because doctors will treat those in need insured or not. As I pointed out hundreds of millions are spent by Mayo on those that can’t pay.

            http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aHoYSI84VdL0

            “A Medicare patient who chooses to stay at Mayo’s Glendale clinic will pay about $1,500 a year for an annual physical and three other doctor visits, according to an October letter from the facility. Each patient also will be assessed a $250 annual administrative fee, according to the letter. Medicare patients at the Glendale clinic won’t be allowed to switch to a primary care doctor at another Mayo facility.
            A few hundred of the clinic’s Medicare patients have decided to pay cash to continue seeing their primary care doctors, Yardley said. Mayo is helping other patients find new physicians who will accept Medicare.”
            http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2010/03/09/20100309mayo-medicare-dispute.html
            “Mayo, praised by President Obama as a model of efficient and quality health care, drew national headlines with its decision to scale back Medicare at its Glendale clinic.
            Berg said that he thought the billboard would let West Valley residents know that Arrowhead Health, which offers family medicine, pain and injury management and physical therapy, still accepts Medicare.
            He said his office can profitably handle Medicare due to administrative efficiency and the use of electronic medical records. He sees nothing wrong with a billboard that singles out a competitor.
            “This is an example of the free market working,” Berg said.”

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Great!, but you didn’t answer Joes question!

          • Joe H.

            Greg N angel,
            these libbicrats don’t ever directly answer a question you know that!!

          • Joe H.

            abnormalgirl,
            I don’t have to read your post. All I have to do is look at the fact that its a 2008 post. the statement I made was 2010!!!!

        • Normal Guy

          Gee Joe

          Good work at least you are able to understand that 2008 is earlier than 2010. That remedial math program is really helping.

          Just so you know you research challenged simpleton the link was to show how much was spent on those that are unable to pay, basically supporting my premise that doctors are obligated to treat patients whether they can pay or not. It is a fact and trhe point that I was making – not really interested in teaching you about other news items but seeing as you are so keen.

          You will see my response to your red herring talking point below. Basically you dope they say that there is not enough as they can get full paying patients, they still treat those that can’t pay and there are other people more than happy to pick up the medicare patients. You will also find on the Mayo site that they strongly support reform.

          Cherry picked points don’t make a very strong argument, you really seem to be a mental midget, actually try and do some real research, you know more than Fox and Teabaggers life. You may have an unused brain in that mellon on your shoulders.

          To quote Animal House – Fat, Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son.

          • GregS

            Normal, “other people [being] more than happy to pick up the medicare patients” still does NOT answer Joe’s question about WHY the Mayo Clinic is not taking any more medicare patients. Neither does the statement that the Mayo Clinic “strongly support[s] reform.” Why do you go off on other tangents, rather than just answering the question? Sounds to me like YOU are the one who’s using “cherry picked points.” Furthermore, patients on Medicare should have just as much of a right to be treated at the Mayo Clinc as those who cannot pay at all.

          • Normal Guy

            Greg

            First you and the other wrong headed dopes on this site are typical of the Fox TeaBaggers in general. Find a single point and stay on it. No matter whether other people are talking about that topic.

            I have answered the issue regarding Mayo below but as I have said the issue that I was discussing was the obligation of doctors to treat patients. This is the issue not what five doctors – just 5 doctors in Arizona – at Mayo are doing.

            The issue is that doctors already are treating patients and not getting paid for it. The $260 to 500 million that they write off every year to treat those that can’t pay the write offs that they have to accept are costs already in the system.

            If you know anything about business, which I doubt, you know that you establish your required margin to account for the bad debt so the costs for everyone else are higher to cover the loss.

            Mayo on one issue, who cares, the issue is that the costs that you all think are not possible to cover are already in the system.

            If you are still confused and can’t figure out what this means, I don’t care. Go do your own research, which by the way does not mean turn on Fox and go to Cato. You and your friends and the ignorance that you display are a clear indication of rot in our society.

          • GregS

            Normal, I apologize. I overlooked your response, which actually was just below and quite detailed. Sorry for the oversight. The reason why I was bugging you about this is because of all of the Medicare cuts which are being planned in the bill. One of those cuts involves a provision, which penalizes any Medicare physicians who are in the top 10% of costs for treatment of their patients for any given year. They will lose 5% of their total Medicare reimbursements for that year. By definition, there will ALWAYS be a top 10%, no matter how far down the total amount of money spent on Medicare is driven. Therefore, physicians will order fewer and less effective tests and treatments for their patients, for fear that they will be caught in the upper 10%. This is solely driven by costs and has nothing to do with the quality of healthcare being administered. Here is a link, which describes this:

            http://www.nrlc.org/healthcarerationing/DeathSpiralRationing.html

            Jon Kyl (R-AZ) offered an ammendment to eliminate this provision, but the Democrats rejected it!

            When this provision of the bill gets fully implemented, there will be a LOT more than just 5 doctors in Arizona who will be turning down Medicare patients.

          • Normal Guy

            Greg

            Did you actually gobeyon your link into the document and read what they are referring to? If you did then you must not understand what a percentile represents.

            If you read the whole paragraph it seems quite reasonable.

            “Beginning in 2015, payment would be reduced by five percent if an aggregation of the physicians resource use is at or above the 90th percentile of national utilization. After five years the secretary would have the authority to convert the 90th percentile threshold for payment reductions to a standard measure of utilization, such as deviations from the national mean.”

            What this would do is identify the guys that are milking the system and keep costs in line. It is not ten percent, it is the 90th percentile. Take a stats class or go research percentiles, it is not the same as percentage – what this means is the outliers are identified the guys who run every test to line their own pockets – no problem not letting someone milk the system. If everyone is charging more next year the 90th percentile accounts for those above this new standard cost, same issues with costs going down.

            Anyways as I have said all these costs are already in the system, this is why the US uses 16% of gdp on medical care that is substandard. other western countries with costs aroud 10% of GDP get dramatically better health outcomes. It is clear to me that most on this site don’t understand basic math cdoncepts.

          • GregS

            Normal,

            Yes I did go beyond the link into the document, and I understand FULLY “what a percentile represents.” I NEVER said that the 90th percentile is 10 percent. Go back and read my post: I said “…Medicare physicians who are in the TOP 10% of costs for treatment…” This means anything at or above the 90th percentile in costs (100% – 90% = 10%. DO THE MATH!).

            Furthermore, the 90th percentile in costs will always be a moving target from year to year. This means that physicians will order fewer and less effective tests and treatments for their patients, for fear that they will be caught in the upper 10% of costs above the 90th percentile. They will have NO way of knowing if they are in that upper bracket until they are actually charged the 5% penalty. This fact alone will force them to order fewer tests and treatments from year to year, until they will no longer want to deal with Medicare patients at all!

            Your assumption, that anyone who goes over the constantly moving 90th percentile is somehow “milking the system,” is ludicrous! What about physicians who have more Medicare patients than other physicians? What about physicians who have patients with more serious conditions than those of other physicians? There are numerous factors that could change the cost treating Medicare patients from one year to the next, and that cost is different for EVERY physician. Even though the Secretary will be required to make adjustments to accommodate some of these factors, it does not change the fundamental danger of pressuring physicians to make ever-increasing reductions in tests and treatments for their patients, for fear that they will go over that 90th percentile in costs.

            Where did you get the impression that “most on this site don’t understand basic math concepts?” If you think that you are above everyone else in understanding basic math, then maybe you should explain more fully to us simpletons what you mean, by giving specific examples!

      • carol

        News flash. Doctors are not obligated to treat patients except perhaps in the case of a life threatening emergency and WE get to decide if it’s an emergency. You do not have a right to health care. It can’t be a right if you have to take away someone else’s rights to achieve it. I’m a doctor. I, personally, and the rest of the doctors in this country are starting to tell you and others like you (infected with “entitleitis”) to get stuffed.

        • Fed Up Gal

          Carol,

          Well said!

          Fed Up Gal

      • Lewis Munn

        Yes, the NRA caved, took a bribe, to give hunters one last season before all their guns are confiscated. It was passed with a very mixed vote…Demos of course solid.

        I as I read the info so far, see the big impact is deferred until AFTER the November elections, so no Democrats will have to face voters who see how badly they have been taken.

        But I know I will not be refunded all the money I paid in under SS that the government keeps, but I WILL now be REQUUIRED to BUY my healthcare all over again; the government keeps my money pad in over the years. And I am NOT given the option to take my chances. Tho if I took Jail, they would have to care for me there!! Free!! mmm…or is it the firing squad?

    • wendy

      Your a DAM FOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Normal Guy

        Wendy

        Why, what is incorrect about my statement? Rational points not Right Wing Rhetoric, what have I said that is incorrect.

        • JC

          I believe that what you’ve posted is correct, but you’ve still missed the point. Anyone one pull specific facts from a larger picture to rationalize whatever it is that they are trying to promote. And that works both ways, left and right.
          The thing to get a bead on is the overall impact of Obamacare on the health of the country itself. Its just another straw designed to break the Camel’s back. To break the American economy. And it’s not necessarily a Dem thing or a GOP thing…it’s a globalist thing and you seem to be one of the many who are sucked right into it. Too bad.

        • Joe H.

          abnorm,
          When are you going to answer to my statement of fact as announced by the mayo Clinic in Arizona???? Answer directly, don’t waltz around it like the last time!!!

          • Normal Guy

            So Like I said doctors will provide care. At Mayo five doctors opted out of Medicare for primary services because they said it was not paying enough but if you wanted to pay fees on top you could stay. So the free market is at play at the same time other facilities, Arrowhead medical, said that because of efficiencies in operations they are happy to provide services to Medicare patients.

            You pack of chicken little’s just never look deep enough to understand any of the talking points you spew. This is not socialism dopes, it is national insurance with restraints that will create efficiencies.

            Oh and this whole red herring about Mayo dropping people does not change the original statement I made which is the costs are already in the system for those with no insurance because doctors will treat those in need insured or not. As I pointed out hundreds of millions are spent by Mayo on those that can’t pay.

            http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..oYSI84VdL0

            “A Medicare patient who chooses to stay at Mayo’s Glendale clinic will pay about $1,500 a year for an annual physical and three other doctor visits, according to an October letter from the facility. Each patient also will be assessed a $250 annual administrative fee, according to the letter. Medicare patients at the Glendale clinic won’t be allowed to switch to a primary care doctor at another Mayo facility.
            A few hundred of the clinic’s Medicare patients have decided to pay cash to continue seeing their primary care doctors, Yardley said. Mayo is helping other patients find new physicians who will accept Medicare.”
            http://www.azcentral.com/busin…..spute.html
            “Mayo, praised by President Obama as a model of efficient and quality health care, drew national headlines with its decision to scale back Medicare at its Glendale clinic.
            Berg said that he thought the billboard would let West Valley residents know that Arrowhead Health, which offers family medicine, pain and injury management and physical therapy, still accepts Medicare.
            He said his office can profitably handle Medicare due to administrative efficiency and the use of electronic medical records. He sees nothing wrong with a billboard that singles out a competitor.
            “This is an example of the free market working,” Berg said.”

          • zack

            Normal Guy You are one of the least knowledgeable person on these blogs that I have ever seen. If I didn’t know any more than you do, I would keep my mouth shut. Everything you comment on has already been discussed up above your comment. Your drawers must be to tight, and you can’t see over them.

          • carol

            Dear Normal Guy,
            It is illegal to bill Medicare patients more than Medicare pays e.g. doctors cannot balance bill Medicare patients. Your understanding of what is happening at Mayo is flawed. When a physician or clinic opts out of Medicare (as many have done including myself) the Medicare patient has to pay the entire bill. He will not be reimbursed in ANY way by Medicare for any portion of his care when he sees a physician who will not accept Medicare. He is paying Medicare for nothing and paying twice for his healthcare. Look for the same thing to happen to the general
            population when Obamacare hits. You’ll pay for Obamacare and if you actually want to see a physician you’ll have to pay the physician out of pocket.

    • Jim

      Isn’t it comforting to know that Castro praised Obama for passing healthcare. Does anyone know what Cuba is like? Is that what we want our country to be? I don’t see why we have to accept this. It’s time these clowns in Washington remember that they work for us, the American people who said time and again “NO” to this bill.
      They are trying everything in their power to bring communism to this country. If you think for one minute that this bill was created because Obama and the other communists care about us as people you are majorily naive.

    • Katie

      If the American liberal was mad about the “wall street bailout” as he calls it (with the democrats still in control in Bush’s last 2 years), then he must be INFURIATED by the reckless spending of the Obama administration!! Wow. What an idea!! So THAT’s his argument…”Bush did it too!” If you were mad when it happened under ONE president, you should be even MORE UPSET when the next president (who was supposed to do everything differently) does the SAME THING ON A LARGER SCALE!! What’s another trillion for health care? THere will be no consequences for printing these trillions of dollars!! Are we really that STUPID?? Money grows on TREES!! This is a sad attitude to take when we are already IN DEBT AS A NATION. Why does Bush come up in any argument about the current administration?? He’s gone. Obama said he would be a welcome CHANGE to the Bush years. But he has turned out to be far more arrogant and corrupt! Never before have we seen a president of these UNITED STATES be more divisive and partisan. He still taunts Republicans as the bad guys, when he is supposed to be leading us all as ONE NATION UNDER GOD. But I do not think he wants to bring us together. No. Everything he’s said in his presidency has proved otherwise. He wants us to be a nation divided so we will have somebody to blame: the other side; the other party; the other president. Just so long as it’s not him who’s held responsible. I’m 27 years old, and I know the feeling I get whenever I look at my pay check and see Social Security money that’s being taken away from me THAT I KNOW I’LL NEVER GET BACK. I’ve learned enough in my short life to know not to trust the federal government with money. The constitution was written TO LIMIT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, NOT TO EXPAND ITS POWERS OVER THE PEOPLE!!!! Government is the problem. Not the people. We need to come together AGAINST BIG GOVERNMENT. We the people should have the final say, which is why so many people are mad that the government didn’t listen to us with this violation of the constitution masquerading as health care for all. Promises mean NOTHING, especially when made by a politician. We need to look at ACTIONS. Obama has even ridiculed the word “Socialism” as a joke by those narrow-minded, racist, Republicans as a way to scare people into not trusting the president… but now the government has just taken control of FIFTEEN PERCENT of our economy! And the definition of socialism is the contol of the means of production (also defined as the economic stage after capitalism, and the transitional stage towards communism in Marxist theory). So when the government is takes control of one piece of our economy at a time, WHAT ELSE SHOULD YOU CALL IT???! It’s socialism. Period.

      • Jana

        Katie,
        GREAT POST!

      • Joe H.

        Katie,
        He doesn’t want us to come together. If we all agree, we might start to realize that we are getting screwed and bounce him right out of office in 2012!! I got news for him though, it’s gonna’ happen anyways!!!

      • GregS

        Amen, Katie!

      • usmadgirl

        Katie,

        Thank you for your great comment! You are “wise beyond your years”. I wish there were more younger people with common sense & as well informed as you. And for someone your age, in this day & time, to know ANYTHING about the Constitution, is truly amazing. Most people your age couldn’t care less about what’s going on in our country. They just live for the day & come what may!

        I hope you’ll use your knowledge to inform others in your age group. Most don’t want to hear anything from older people! They just think they’re a bunch of old conservative nut jobs!

    • Timothy

      Health care was rammed down our throats. Are you simply blind? The majority of US citizens did not want this bill. They want reform not a government takeover of health care. As far as blaming Republicans they are certainly to blame for the ridiculous spending for several years, however some the bailouts were approved by a democratic controlled congress. Open your eyes!

      • Smilee

        What did the government take over, you will still only be able to buy your health care insurance from private insurance companies, government did not take over any insurance companies or health care providers, Timmy it is time to hang up the lies, the game you have been playing is over, baskets made after the final buzzer never count.

        • carol

          Well Smiley (sic) this might wipe that smile off your face. You won’t be keeping your Cadillac plan or your doctor. check out what is happening in MA right now.
          This state is providing a look into the future with Obamacare. The plan has been in place for 2 years and is out of money. Insurers just stopped issuing policies
          and are pulling up stakes because they were told that they had to cover everything
          and couldn’t raise premiums. As a physician I’m not a huge fan of insurance companies but you must admit the new proposed business model for them isn’t workable. Patients in MA last month had to wait 60 days to see a primary caere physician and that’s going to get much worse as physicians leave MA in droves.

          • Fed Up Gal

            Carol,

            Please refer Smilee for a psychiatric eval. I almost feel sorry for her/him/it (sorry Smilee…hard to tell by your posts, so I just want to cover all bases.

            Fed Up Gal

    • Freddie

      Let see just to remind everyone:

      Our Government is Trillions in debt (oh yeah you’re going to say this is Bush’s fault, but it goes way further back than that.)

      Our Social Security System is on verge of insolvency (did u know that this is the first month they paid out more SSAN benefits than they took in taxes.) THAT’S OUR GOV’T

      Our Medicare System is losing 60 Bil a year in FRAUD alone. (Gov’t RUN)

      and you want our Gov’t to run our healthcare system, OMG where has the real america gone. DO U PEOPLE THINK OR DO YOU JUST BELIEVE WHAT THEY TELL YOU, IF THEY TELL YOU TO JUMP OFF A BRIDGE WOULD YOU. HAVE ANY OF YOU READ THE BILL (NOT) WELL I HAVE I’M IN THE HEALTH INSURANCE BUSINESS IT’S NOT GOOD I KNOW FIRST HAND, READ IT YOU MORONS SO YOU CAN TALK WITH INTELLIGENCE.

      Over the years you have been programmed by Democrats to think exactly the way you all think, and I have to admit they have done a great of accomplishing there goal the only problem is you don’t recognized it.

      May the Lord have mercy on us all.

      • Jana

        And now Obama is wanting to give over $960 billion to people who are losing their house. Ok, then Obama will also own your homes. GREAT. One thing though, WHERE IS HE GETTING THE MONEY FROM????

        WE ARE ALREADY BROKE.

        • Smilee

          silly girl, he is not going to own even one home, more confused thinking

          • Jana

            Smilee,
            Silly baby boy, WHERE IS HE GETTING THE MONEY FROM??

    • http://michaelmi@westmarine.com Michael

      Given…What ever happened to earning it. Just like a Liberal/Progressive….

    • zack

      American liberal I think you have got everything backwards, the Democrats are the ones bankrupting America. You need to get the facts straight, and learn what is going on.

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      American Liberal,

      Well….he also ran on his would be “the most transparent administration in the history of this country”….hmmmm…look how well that turned out! If if walks like a duck and quacks like a duck….it’s a duck!

      Fed Up Gal

    • bruce

      Hey, my friend just committed to moving his 400 person company to China.
      It was that or shut it down.
      It was time for him to go.
      Who will you bleed dry when many companies move or just quit?

      • Joe H.

        bruce,
        Nothing against your friend, but when companies move out of the us and turn around and send their products here to sell, I for one refuse to buy them!!! This is the only time I believe in tarifs unless it’s for unfair trade practices. i believe that every company that leaves should have to pay a tarriff to get their products back in as they are responsible,as in your buddie’s case, of laying off 400 American workers and hireing 400 Chinese in their place!!!

    • http://katzsea@aol.com sherry

      I agree that it would be wonderful for everyone to have health care but there are several critical unconstitutional provisions in this bill including the fed. Gov. is forcing people to buy a good or service in the marketplace. In my view this exceeds Congress’s power under the commerce clause and brings into play the Tenth Amendment of the constitution which reserves such decisions to the states and the people. It will stretch the general welfare and due pross clauses of the constitutionpast the breaking point by exempting some states from certain provisions and giving special privileges to others and forcing the states to create “benifit exchanges”. This bill must be stopped. And for anyone who doesnt understand what I have just said remember you cant get something for nothing- in the short end of this bill what it really states is not health-care for everyone- but power of the goverment.

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      Well Folks here is the good news and the bad news (the time line) from one of the Supreme Court Justices. You see we conservatives knew this and is why we are saying “crammed” down our throats.
      Napolitano: Supreme Court to Strike Down Obamacare
      Friday, 26 Mar 2010 06:32 PM Article Font Size
      By: David A. Patten

      President Barack Obama is one of the worst presidents ever in terms of respecting constitutional limitations on government, and the states suing the federal government over healthcare reform “have a pretty strong case” and are likely to prevail, according to author and judicial analyst Andrew P. Napolitano.

      In an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV’s Ashley Martella, Napolitano says the president’s healthcare reforms amount to “commandeering” the state legislatures for federal purposes, which the Supreme Court has forbidden as unconstitutional.

      “The Constitution does not authorize the Congress to regulate the state governments,” Napolitano says. “Nevertheless, in this piece of legislation, the Congress has told the state governments that they must modify their regulation of certain areas of healthcare, they must surrender their regulation of other areas of healthcare, and they must spend state taxpayer-generated dollars in a way that the Congress wants it done.

      Special: Do You Back Obama’s Healthcare Plan? Vote Here Now!

      “That’s called commandeering the legislature,” he says. “That’s the Congress taking away the discretion of the legislature with respect to regulation, and spending taxpayer dollars. That’s prohibited in a couple of Supreme Court cases. So on that argument, the attorneys general have a pretty strong case and I think they will prevail.”

      Napolitano, author of his just-released “Lies the Government Told You: Myth, Power, and Deception in American History” and a Fox News senior judicial analyst, is the youngest Superior Court judge ever to attain lifetime tenure in the state of New Jersey. He served on the bench from 1987 to 1995.

      Napolitano tells Newsmax that the longstanding precedent of state regulation of the healthcare industry makes the new federal regulations that much more problematic.

      “The Supreme Court has ruled that in areas of human behavior that are not delegated to the Congress in the Constitution, and that have been traditionally regulated by the states, the Congress can’t simply move in there,” Napolitano says. “And the states for 230 years have had near exclusive regulation over the delivery of healthcare. The states license hospitals. The states license medications. The states license healthcare providers whether they’re doctors, nurses, or pharmacists. The feds have had nothing to do with it.

      “The Congress can’t simply wake up one day and decide that it wants to regulate this. I predict that the Supreme Court will invalidate major portions of what the president just signed into law…”

      The judge also says he would rate President Obama as one of the worst presidents in terms of obedience to constitutional limitations.

      “I believe we have a one party system in this country, called the big-government party,” Napolitano says. “There is a Republican branch that likes war and deficits and assaulting civil liberties. There is a Democratic branch that likes welfare and taxes and assaulting commercial liberties.

      “President Obama obviously is squarely within the Democratic branch. The president who had the least fidelity to the Constitution was Abraham Lincoln, who waged war on half the country, even though there’s obviously no authority for that, a war that killed nearly 700,000 people. President Obama is close to that end of lacking fidelity to the Constitution. He wants to outdo his hero FDR.”

      For those who oppose healthcare, the Fox legal expert says, the bad news is that many of the legal challenges to healthcare reform will have to wait until 2014, when the changes become fully operational.

      Until then, there would be no legal case that individuals had been actually harmed by the law. Moreover, Napolitano says it takes an average of four years for a case to work its way through the various federal courts the final hearing that’s expected to come before the Supreme Court.

      “You’re talking about 2018, which is eight years from now, before it is likely the Supreme Court will hear this,” he says.

      Other issues that Napolitano addressed during the wide-ranging interview:

      He believes American is in danger of becoming “a fascist country,” which he defines as “private ownership, but government control.” He adds, “The government doesn’t have the money to own anything. But it has the force and the threat of violence to control just about anything it wants. That will rapidly expand under President Obama, unless and until the midterm elections give us a midterm correction – which everyone seems to think, and I’m in that group, is about to come our way.
      Napolitano believes the federal government lacks the legal authority to order citizens to purchase healthcare insurance. The Congress [is] ordering human beings to purchase something that they might not want, might not need, might not be able to afford, and might not want — that’s never happened in our history before,” Napolitano says. “My gut tells me that too is unconstitutional, because the Congress doesn’t have that kind of power under the Constitution.”
      The sweetheart deals in the healthcare reform bill used that persuaded Democrats to vote for it – the Louisiana Purchase, Cornhusker Kickback, Gatorade Exception and others – create “a very unique and tricky constitutional problem” for Democrats, because they treat citizens differently based on which state they live in, running afoul of the Constitution’s equal protection clause according to Napolitano. “So these bennies or bribes, whatever you want, or horse trading as it used to be called, clearly violate equal protection by forcing people in the other states to pay the bills of the states that don’t have to pay what the rest of us do,” Napolitano says.
      Exempting union members from the so-called “Cadillac tax” on expensive health insurance policies, while imposing that tax on other citizens, is outright discrimination according to Napolitano. “The government cannot draw a bright line, with fidelity to the Constitution and the law, on the one side of which everybody pays, and the other side of which some people pay. It can’t say, ‘Here’s a tax, but we’re only going to apply it to nonunion people. Here’s a tax, and we’re only going to apply it to graduates of Ivy League institutions.’ The Constitution does not permit that type of discrimination.”
      Politicians from both parties routinely disregard the Constitutional limits imposed on them by the nation’s founding document, Napolitano says. “The problem with the Constitution is not any structural problem,” says Napolitano. “The problem with the constitution is that those who take an oath to uphold it don’t take their oath seriously. For example, just a month ago in interviewing Congressman Jim Clyburn, who’s the No. 3 ranking Democrat in the House, I said to him, Congressman Clyburn, can you tell me where in the Constitution the Congress is authorized to regulate healthcare? He said, ‘Judge, most of what we do down here,’ referring to Washington, ‘is not authorized by the Constitution. Can you tell me where in the Constitution we’re prohibited from regulating healthcare.’ Napolitano says that reflects a misunderstanding of what the Constitution actually is. “He’s turning the Constitution on its head, because Congress is not a general legislature,” he says. “It was not created in order to right every wrong. It exists only to legislate in the 17 specific, discrete, unique areas where the Constitution has given it power. All other areas of human area are reserved for the states.”
      Napolitano says that members of Congress infringe on Constitutional rights because they fail to recognize its basis. “They reject Jefferson’s argument, in the Declaration of Independence, that our rights come from our Creator, therefore they’re natural rights, therefore they can’t be legislated away,” Napolitano says. “They think they can legislate on any activity, regulate any behavior, tax any person or thing, as long as the politics will let them survive. They’re wrong, and with this healthcare legislation, they may be proven wrong, in a very direct and in-your-face way.”

      • JeffH

        Let us hope that justice for the people will be served and Napolitano has made an accurate assessment.

        • Joe H.

          JeffH,
          If it does turn out that this is unconstitutional, then the taxes collected for it should be, also!!! We should be able to collect all taxes collected for it with interest!!!! Ge maybe they’ed have to lay off a couple of those recess apointments like the labour secretary!!!

    • Jay

      No WMD’s ? American and British special forces found 550 metric tons of “yellowcake” uranium — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment. in Feb. 2010, U.S. soldiers found a missile that was built to deliver a “special” payload to Israel,buried, presumably by Saddam Hussein before the 2003 invasion. Most of the WMD’s were moved to Syria. If you possess an illegal substance and you know that authorities are coming in the next year or so, will you keep them? No, you’ll probably find a new hiding place. Not to mention the German, French, Russian and Chinese special forces that had been seen in Iraq in the months leading up to the invasion clearing out cashes of weapon systems, radar installations and any other questionable materials that would make them look bad….. and the Bush administration ate the entire s*** sandwich so our “friends” wouldn’t look bad.

    • 14Freedomfighter88

      HEY I JUST QUIT republiCATS (no democRAT ever!). Why? The reason is here:
      The NObama dictatorship has always been planning a one-two-three punch for its first four years. The first was “healthcare reform,” which we just had rammed down our throats. The second punch is so-called “immigration reform” to amnesty and legalize the 20 to 30 million illegal aliens now resident in the United States. The third punch will be gun control and confiscation to render the White population absolutely powerless. The second item is coming up fast.

      The Washington Times reports: “President Obama on Thursday gave a thumbs-up to the framework of a plan to legalize illegal immigrants and create a flow of low-skilled foreign workers for the future, saying the bill being worked on by a Republican lawmaker and his Democrat counterpart is promising. The long-awaited framework, written by Sens. Charles E. Schumer, New York Democrat, and Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Republican, calls for illegal immigrants to be put on a path to citizenship”.

      That is the deadly buzz phrase we have to watch out for here, “path to citizenship”. We also face a bi-partisan threat since many Republicans are whores to the big corporations which want cheap illegal alien labor, no matter what these backward, Brown immigrants do to the country.
      The Times notes “Maybe most contentious of all, it would turn all Social Security cards into tamper-proof IDs to be checked by employers when they are about to hire a new worker. The cards would include biometric information designed to prevent counterfeiting — but the senators said the information would not be stored in a government database… The senators said their legalization approach would be a ‘tough but fair’ program that would require illegal immigrants to admit they broke the law and make them perform community service and pay a fine.”

      Like picking up trash at the side of a freeway will make up for the hundreds of thousands of dollars the average illegal alien is going to cost White taxpayers during his lifetime.
      The real reason for an Amnesty, of course, is to insure perpetual power for the Democrat party by these leftist burritomolesters. Who do you think all those newly naturalized Latrinos will vote for? The RepubliCAT Party is proving itself a sham. They are unwilling to oppose the DemocRATS even on an issue that would permanently put them out of business. How can the RepubliCATS defend the interests of White people when they won’t even fight to preserve their own existence?

      The top RepubliCATS have no interest in preserving the mostly White America that we all grew up in. They don’t care if American cities wind up looking like Tijuana. The RepubliCATS will simply become the Party of the burrito-molesters and the Whites, which is what Bush and McCain seemed intent on doing.

      The legalization of 20 to 30 million new DemocRAT voters will mean that the RATS will achieve permanent control of the presidency–including command of the American military–and the House. If the GOP are stupid enough to amnesty all these criminals, they can kiss goodbye to seeing another RepubliCAT in the White House again ever.
      We NEED White Revolution!

    • Tammy Martin

      I can tell you are like a Hollywood bleeding heart liberal. Yes, Bush made many mistakes, but now we owe so much money, another country, probably China, is going to end up owning our country. Actually, if other countries ever called in our markers, we would be completely up the creek. What ever happened to working and doing for yourselves? What is more – Congressmen and women do not have to worry about any of this; they are taken care of. Easy to pass this crap when it won’t affect them. Furthermore, you are so smart, can’t spell or type, or proofread, that I have a hards time taking anything you say seriously. If they would let the average Joe (who cannot afford to) run for Congress, you watch how quick these lifers quit the Congress. I work hard for my money, and I don’t expect the government to take care of me. Why should anyone else? I have no problem with providing help for those who need it, but to REQUIRE as law those same people who maybe have no jobs due to the economy to buy insurance is TOTALLY RIDICULOUS. The IRS is going to manage it; we have no privacy anymore. Did government forget they work FOR “WE THE PEOPLE?” I think they did. Well, if you have any children or grandchildren, good luck explaining why they will probably pay 50% taxes to pay for this within their lifetimes. It is time the common man took this country back.

    • Sue

      You’re right American Liberal, I don’t understand what all these people who voted for Obama are gripping about now. I knew he was bad and bad for the country BEFORE he bacame President. I think all of Obama’s acts are intentional and come from a desire he has to really destroy this country. Obama learned well from sitting under Wright (won’t call him Rev…cause he’s not) all those years.

    • http://aol wayne a

      yeah,obama ran on health care and an open, transparent administration working across party lines.first he passes a healthcare bill that 74% of the americans was against,a bill that experts says only 9% of the uninsured will benefit.no one denies that healthcare needs reformed,just not obamacare.next,they hold a vote at night behind closed doors where republicans and the media wasn’t allowed!deals were made and pork was added that will take yrs to find out what really went on.when americans voted for healthcare reform by electing obama,i was one of those,we didn’t want health care that gave us the highest deficit in our history!a deficit that will take us 20yrs to pay off.

    • BornRepublican

      American Liberal, were is the transp. The Dems. passed this 750 billion piece of crap behind closed doors . They didn’t allow Debate on the 2000 plus pages which was a violation of house rules . And another thing check your English its stinks. Next time proof read your copy.

      M.J Rogers
      SFC (Ret)
      United Stated Army
      All American (82nd Airborne) Hooooya

    • http://aol wiley

      TYPICAL LAZY, IRRESPONSIBLE, THE GOVERNMENT OWES ME, SOCIALIST. DO YOU BELIEVE IN MARXISM LIKE YOUR LEADER TOO?

    • DougE

      American Liberal, you prove our point. Your comment “I’ll Take” says it all. That’s the problem with you liberals and entitlements class folks. TAKE, TAKE, TAKE, how about you try giving once in a while? It’s ok for you to vote free stuff for yourself, and the expense of your neighbor. I seem to remember a time when Americans had a sense of pride and worked to gain and a greater good, not expect handouts.

    • Anker Vinje

      The Democarts did not want listen to the public and their view they want too show that they knew what best for them it will show in Noverber when lose seats.

    • Chelcea

      I totally agree. The tea party, republicans and all the Americans who have been influenced by these people just have lost all their own thinking. No one thinks for themselves nor does their way of thinking make any sense. Anyone who would have won the last presidential election would have been entering a hurricane. Sooooo much is in need of repair, yet republicans are blaming this on Obama? And health care… are you serious? This is a perfect example of how selfish these people (Rep. and Tea party members) are. They accept the tax cut bill that was just passed (so great for the rich and now but I’m 27, I know this will cause my generation a lot of anguish and not a lot of money. I have epilepsy and it has been effecting my ability to get a job so I have no insurance, cant go to the doc and get my reg. checkups and meds, the health care bill is a better way to spend our money! Rather than giving it to people who already have enough! You people need to think one second about others. Tea party members and republicans will run our country into a huge hole in the ground, we wont be but a glimmer in China’s eye!

    • http://www.commissionlogs.com Hans Wozniak

      My concern is the fact that everyone is up in arms about Obomacare being shoved down their throats but were quite willing to let Bush and his rat pack steal billions of dollars from the people of the united states.
      What a joke

    • joseph

      you must be a real idiot, passing a bill that will affect every anerican citizen. try reading it in full like every member in congress should have done. you will see that all muslems and illegal alliens get everything free of charge

    • Sick of this BS

      So sad to read that the nuts have taken over the nut house. Brain Washington has done it again. They have taken our right’s and freedoms and trashed them in favor of big government. Turning this country into a concentration camp is not the answer. I pray to almighty God that this legislation is stopped somewhere because with it you can kiss your freedom and dignity away, let alone health care. Socialism only works till you bums run out of other peoples money. Europe is a great example past and present. Allowing illegal aliens and Muslims free health care, opt outs for the big unions and political hacks the dictatorial ruling class have declared action tantamount to a war on Americas citizens, and remember we fought to free our selves from oppression when we founded this country and we will do it again.

  • Bruce Eden

    If Obama Wants Redistribution–Put Down 300 Million exemptions On Our W-4s.

    Since the Illegal alien president, Barack Hussein Obama and the Socialists in Congress want to redistribute your wealth, we can oblige them.

    What each and every taxpayer needs to do is change their W-4s and 1040 Income Tax forms to 300 Million exemptions (dependents). Since those of us who have to work have to support everyone else, then they have become our dependents. It would be a lawful exercise, as well as a lawful protest.
    It would comply with the law since El Presidente and his Politburo have impliedly and directly in writing told us that government will redistribute wealth and we should comply. Americans would be in full compliance with the law since our President and Congress have said that we must redistribute wealth. In doing so, one must make the appropriate filings to incorporate this “redistribution of wealth”.

    Besides, if the 40 Million Americans, out of the 106 Million who work, pay their income taxes, then are we not entitled to comply with the law?

    And, there is precedence for this. In the case United States v. Snider, 502 F.2d 645 (4th Cir. 1974) , the U.S. Court of Appeals overturned the Federal Tax Court and ruled that defendant listing 3 Billion dependents on his W-4 was proper because the IRS could not meet any elements of fraud or willfulness.

    • SB

      What an awesome idea, if everyone did it!

    • Meteorlady

      What a great idea! Thanks
      I also just filled out my census form and put 2, selected “Other” for race and put American. Didn’t bother to answer the rest of the questions.

      • JeffH

        I did the same but only answered the ones I felt were necessary and not intrusive.

      • wendy

        I pretty much did the same. I’m with you most of the questions were illegal anyway.

    • momof4

      Bruce,
      I love it!!!!!!

    • Jana

      It sure is odd, Obama wants redistribution of wealth, ours not his. He hasn’t even helped his Aunt who lived in the slums. She is fighting being sent back home. If she is here illegally she ought to be sent back home, but this share the wealth is only good for us, not him.

      • momof4

        Jana,
        Odd to us, normal for a liberal.

      • http://aol wayne a

        jana,this week it was announced that obamas aunt will be allowed to stay in the US.

    • Tammy Martin

      AMEN! Quite frankly, it makes you want to quit work and let the government take care of you too. That goes totally against my grain because I have something called work ethic and work extremely hard to do the best job I can no matter what I do. They take way more than I can survive on now. We need to do a million man and woman march and take control of our country again like the founders of this previously great nation intended. You can complain or you can do something about it. It is now that time.

  • http://aol Lou Renner

    This bill is not one wanted by the american people. The cost of it is ferocious and one that our children will pay for. There will be many changes in Washington come the November elections.

    • michael

      You keep talking polls the USA today Gallup polls has 48% support for the Bill 32% against.

      • scott

        wrong again michelle.don,t you morons ever get tired of being wrong.get your head out of your [offensive words removed] once in a while and get some facts before you try to speak.not the fantasies that you libs like to make up and live by.

        • michael

          Look it up IDIOT. It is in todays USA today. You morons can belive whatever you want But the fact of the matter is you lost deal with it.

          • libertytrain

            Michael – I’m sorry you were a victim of ineffective schooling.

          • Joe H.

            michelle,
            that’s 48% of the DEMOCRATS!!!!

          • tedcrawford

            You are correct michael, working Americans did lose!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            There are Liberal leaning polls and Right leaning polls, choose one, all can be altered ate will. __trust nothing__actions speak louder than words and the Libs, will find that out in November!

          • Jana

            michael,

            You said and I quote, “You morons can belive whatever you want But the fact of the matter is you lost deal with it.” ( I copied and pasted)

            That sounds just like Obama’s rhetoric. You lost, I’m president now, we have to play by my rules. No, no ones vote counts now but Obama’s. This isn’t how this country is run, but since he wasn’t raised here in this country in his formative years then he wouldn’t know that.

          • JC

            Don’t kid yourself too much commie boy…we will be dealing with it. ;)

          • Joe H.

            Jana,
            then there was my personal favorite. “Yes it took longer, but I’M the president!!!” hhat gall!!

          • BornRepublican

            Hay Mike
            Do you believe everything that you read , USA today is a liberal rage that never reports both sides of the story. Yesterday the Rasmusan Poll which has always been Bi-partisan with there Reporting (reported there weekly pol as of June 16 was 71% against this bill and 22% For7% undecided .. So there and as of Yesterday Obumma’s aprovel rating fell to 42% so there again……

            M.J Rogers
            SFC (Ret)
            United States Army…..HooooorAAAA

      • JeffH

        The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone poll, taken Friday and Saturday nights, shows that 41% of likely voters favor the health care plan. Fifty-four percent (54%) are opposed. These figures have barely budged in recent months.

        • Smilee

          That was a week ago Friday and Saturday, now its 48% in favor and 40% opposed

          • Jana

            Again Smilee, that is with the Democrats only, not the national average. Sheesh!

          • zack

            Smilee, You are wrong again. You have to look over smilee, he scratches his a$$ and thinks he is scratching his head. Poor soul.

          • http://aol wayne a

            theres no need to make things up to justify your argument,thats not what the poll i seen said!

        • JeffH

          Dream on and keep Smilee smilin’ ’cause the polls will get worse…

      • wendy

        If you had been keeping up with the bull shit polls the media want you to see ,They say the people were for obamacare THAT IS NOT THE TRUTH THE MEDIA IS ONLY TELLING YOU WHAT OBAMA WANTS YOU TO HEAR AND READ.THEY ARE HIDING THE TRUTH BEHIND THE LYES……..BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT OBAMA AND HIS ADMINISTRATION WANT YOU TO BELIEVE NOT THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • momof4

          Wendy,
          You are so right. The media is trying to control us. Where have all the good journalist gone. They use to keep the politions feet to the fire, now they are totally one sided they have totally let the people down. I blame them for alot of this mess we are in. True journalism is dead.

      • http://aol wayne a

        when was this poll taken 6 months ago? i have not seen ONE,NOT ONE poll that a majority supported obamacare.

    • http://MSN.Com Prudence

      What if Obama gets all the illegals as citizens, and he gets them to vote
      for the Democrats. That will be the next big issue he will force down our throats.

      • Joe H.

        Prudence,
        he’s already pushing for amnesty!!!! Everything but the economy!!!

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          The Obama Administration, has an agenda and We The People aren’t on it! He’ll put amnesty in place, so the illegals too, will drink the Messiah’s kool-aid and to show their appreciation to there historic new leader, that will mean more democratic votes. Ya can’t bullsh*t a bullsh*tter!

  • Flynn

    The Republicans legislated tax cuts for all of us. Just wait until Obamacare gets up and running, then you will see the astronomical tax increases. My wife and I are not in the top 2%, but we are now faced with the very difficult task of writing the government a check for $5000 of additional taxes at a time when Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelozi are all using Gestapo tactics to ram a monstrous piece of legislation down our throats that will, not only destroy the best health care system in the world, but it will likely destroy this nation by splitting it right down the middle. In just 10 years, the United States of America will become just like the Union of Soviet Socialist Republicx are today. This was Barack Obama’s stated purpose from the beginning, and no one listened. After all, he said, “He would spread the wealth around.” He is spreading it around to those who least deserve it. It is always bad to give anyone something for nothing.

    • TIME

      Flynn, You need to set your sights on working to help repeal this bill with all of us, and this bill will not split the true Americans in half.
      The facts are that less that 21% want it, so thats 74% that don’t want it and know this is really bad, also keep in mind thats not just Republicans but Democrats and Independents too.

      There is only a small group of real radicals, the really GREAT NEWS is {we can beat them!}

      Our battle to win back American is not going to be easy but we as a united front can do it. Work to find solid persons to run for Congress and the Senate in your home areas.
      We don’t need a ton of money we just need real HONEST hard working people with a SPINE and solid CORE AMERICAN values to win.

      And we can win back our country for your children and their children on down the line. Its time to get out there and work and work harder for your country!

      Keep a log of every lie spoken by the gang of thugs in office, print off this material, keep a log of how the press has distorted the truths and lied to you, work your Friends and Neighbors family whom ever we need to inform and educate and we don’t have time for a do over so be “Honest and Truthful” with everyone and lets get going.

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        TIME

        There is no point to citing polls. Most Americans have long recognized that the health care system has been unsustainable.

        The opposition of different groups had to do with problems as they saw it in the compromise health care reform law just passed. The extreme left wanted Universal Coverage and the extreme right wanted the liberty to fight with their colossal health care insurer to try to get to see their doctor or to have that doctor visit paid for.

        It’s just a matter of which “fear and loathing” argument you buy into.

        Just pick you leading (questions) poll and you will get whatever you want every time.

    • scott

      thats because you can,t teach a monkey to work for a liveing.they sure know how to smoke dope,rob,and shoot your [offensive word removed] tho.

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        Who knows what monkeys can really do when they choose to work?

        After all, having the ability to type like you have had limited success at doing online here, you have shown that monkey level intelligence can do trained tasks pretty well in sheltered workshops like Garret is running here.

        • Joe H.

          And you are living(?) proof of that ape shat!!!

    • tedcrawford

      This is simple to understand. I only wish more Americans would have read his books before the election! Had more of us done so it would have been clear to all that only the far left could vote for him! In his own words, from the audacity of hope, “I sought out the radicals, foreign students and marxist professors”! No mystery there!

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        What book, what page, and what context?

        Don’t quote something without support and explanation.

        • Jana

          Ted crawford,
          Yes, by all means, do what he says, not what he does.
          He would so much like to be boss, instead, he is just bossy.

        • usmadgirl

          Radio UpNorth,

          The quote is actually from “Dreams From My Father” Pages 99-100.

          http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=985

        • http://aol wayne a

          radio upnorth,these quotes were taken from some papers he had written in, i believe they said it was 1992.they were read word for word on the radio when obama was running and that was in there!

  • Flynn

    The 300 million exemptions idea is a great idea. Thanks Mr. Eden! I just wish it would work. I can just see the reaction of the IRS if a taxpayer tried this one.

    • Dawn Marie

      IF everyone did it…..it could work

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        yes it would work if all did it, but you know there will be those folks who’ll think, it’s not politically correct!

  • Weaver

    It’s tragic when our elected officials begin trying to emulate Hugo Chevez. Reconciliation is akin to “putting lipstick on a pig”
    Pelosi knows this well.

    • Joe H.

      Weaver,
      that’s because she IS the pig with the lipstick!!!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Patricia Reser

    I am very upset that those in congress did not listen to the people at all on the healthcare issue. Nobody has read the whole package that I have heard about. I am a senior and can hardly scrape by as it is. We all better get on the bandwagon and defeat these nuts that are in charge. Get out and vote and get these devils out of office.

    • V Cox

      They listened to me and somewhere around 50% of the rest of us. I have government health care by virtue of 20 years of military service and have never been denied any care that my doctor requested. It works and because we have a huge pool it is cheaper. The same can be said for Veterans Healthcare, which costs an average of 35% less than civilian care, and has been touted as the best healthcare in the country.

      • scott

        [offensive post removed]

      • Joe H.

        V. Cox,
        I take it you didn’t see the exposee on the horrible conditions in Walter Reed after Clinton cut the VA budget!!! Then there was Brecksville VA hospital in Ohio. There was a quadraplegic in a room there and the nurse would bring in his food tray, set it on the table and expect him to feed himself. She even cussed out a friend of the guy that was also a patient there for going in and feeding him!!! The local TV network had to pick it up as they were told about it and the guy that reported it told them if they didn’t he would go to the paper!
        i had a friend that had congestive heart failure and VA sent him home and basically let him drown in his own fluids!!! they wouldn’t even approve a ramp after he was confined to a wheel chair. Those people are sick!!!

    • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

      As a senior and as a Medicare beneficiary, you will now (with the reconciliation law) be getting a rebate of $250 for past doughnut hole monies you have paid out. And that doughnut hole will be narrowed to keep you from getting hammered if you have a lot of medications you need to pay for.

      And the profit margin of those medications are being very sharply controled and reduced by this legislation.

      Your rate increases for MedGap insurance policies will be limited in the amounts that they can be increased.

      Doctors who pull out of the Medicare program due to the “control” of their business profits could be a factor. But, if they went into medicine to become rich and not for principles of the hippocratic oath, or to practice medicine ethically, they should not be in medicine anyway. It may be only a short time before the numbers of health care professionals come online to replace these “do no treatment” doctors who will then have to go work as low paid custodians to have a job.

      Now, if you want to remain horny with the stress of the “fear and loathing” thinking that you engage in here, I would not begrudge you that effort to deal with your erectile dysfunction problems with maintaining that stress. Just keep checking your blood pressure to avoid blowing up.

      I do not think the limits on prescription drug coverages were changed, so you still may be able to get Viagra or some of the others. I know the poor people don’t have that benefit under Medicaid, but there was some “fear and loathing” amendments the Republicans tried to send through that failed to kill the reconcialiation law so it could be that you and the convicted sex felons could still get Viagra, Cialis or whatever.

      • Joe H.

        Rad,
        no you don’t have to worry about DR.s dropping out, just whole hospitals , like the mayo clinic in Arizona!!! get a WHOLE brain!!!

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          JoeH, it’s already started here, a friend of ours, a foot doctor, just closed, said he can’t afford the rent, the liability coverage, increased taxes and doesn’t know what to expect with the new heathcare coming__we’re going to see more of it___it’s coming.

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          Then why did the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota signal total support on the Health Care Reform legislation last weekedn before it was enacted into law during this last week.

          If a foot doctor is practicing on his own and can’t afford the rent or the liability insurance, he maybe should retrain to be a GP. Otherwise, maybe not if he isn’t that good enough to stand alone in such a precise speciality fund in larger health care settings like Mayo Clinic.

          • Joe H.

            If you would read a little faster so you were up on the last three weeks you would have heard even on your MSM stations that the MAYO did, indeed, announce the week before last that after the first of the year they would no longer accept medicare patients after the first of the year. that’s as in 2011 to make it simple for ya’!!!

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            If it is simple for ya’ ya’ can just check on the Internet to confirm that athe Rochester Minnesota Mayo Clinic did endorse the 2010 Health Reform Law. The Law was to equalize the Medicare rates that have consistently been underpaid in states like Minnesota.

            It could be that Arizona was one of those states who Medicare rates would be lowered as a result of this equalization provision of the 2010 Health Reform Law. Arizona, being a McCain Republican state, probably got that benefit back in 2003 during the Republican Congress Medicare Revision Law that gave an open check book to the MedGap insurers and pharmaceutical companies.

            But, it’s more important to you then it is to me. You can look it up and confirm and give me the website URL.

          • Harriet

            Rad, according to you previous sentiments, the foot doctor now qualifies as a “have not”. Why don’t you share your wealth with him?

      • carol

        Yes, I was waiting for the rich greedy doctor crack. Look stupid. The overhead doctors have to pay (mainly because of stupid government regulations which don’t contribute to the quality of care) is huge. It costs me $300/hour to keep the doors open in my office. If I get paid $34 to see a Medicare patient and spend a hour with that patient I won’t be practicing medicine because I can’t afford the mortgage on the office, the salaries for staff (selfish things insist on a salary.Perhaps they should work for free also to serve entitled jerks like you who think the world owes them care.) I can’t then afford all the expensive devices etc…malpractice insurance…shall I go on. Also physicians who ,after all, were smart enough to get through medical training are unlikely to submit to forced servitude. We can leave the Country as 40 % of Canadian doctors did when Canada pulled the same crap or get out of medicine or do only cosmetic treatments. Trust me. I’m on the front lines here. I know what I’m talking about. I feel sorry for Americans who will have this system forced on them.
        To those of you who wished for this…be careful what you wish for you might get it.

        • Fed Up Gal

          Carol,

          As you speak from first-hand knowledge, maybe they will finally listen….although I bet they will never admit to it.

          Fed Up Gal

          • Fed Up Gal

            Carol,

            For the life of me, I don’t understand why more doctors have not been more vocal about this. I admire the urologist who put up that sign on his office bldg/door.

            Fed Up Gal

      • http://aol wayne a

        hey radioupnorth,lets see the facts! lets see in print where and from whom did you get these so called facts!

      • BornRepublican

        Hay Radio
        That 250 $ rebate was just shot down by Pelosi and company last week, sorry to be the messenger. I am a Disabled War Vet That Depends on the VA system, I have to get appointments for MRI and spinal tapes (every 13 weeks)2months in advance just to get seen by my Primary care Ph. I had to bye my oun Weelchare because the one given to me bye the VA Was used broken arm rest and the seat was worn down. So if any body thinks the new health care bill will be better than the VA Guess what the same People running it will be running yours coming soon..

        M Rogers
        SFC (Ret)
        United States Army
        ALL AMERICAN (AND DAM PROUD OF IT) HOOOOOOORAAA

    • tedcrawford

      Patricia, read this part and you will find even more motivation! Section–1233 Pages 424thru 431!

  • jomama

    Mr. Eden Sounds like he knows what he’s talking about & Mr. American liberal doesn’t. I’m sure Mr. American Liberal believes everything our dictator tells him.

  • jomama

    Or will tell him.

  • Terry

    I think its funny the people who complain about the money spent for the war in Iraq, when welfare has a bigger budget.

    • Dawn Marie

      THe liberals don’t want the population to KNOW about the welfare budget, the only thing they want is to mae villians out of the ones that are in the RIGHT. That is how liberal Democrats work, scheme, lie, cheat………never play fair!

      • scott

        if they played fair,they,ed never get anywhere.any true american would kill them all.america would,nt be in this mess.

        • michael

          Scoot you are in need of some serious mental help, your own people have tried to tell you to watch what you say but still you keep spouting you hateful rhetoric.

          • tedcrawford

            I never thought that michael and I would find anything to agree on but, he’s right about this!

    • AZ J

      I don’t like welfare and mostly don’t like un-needy people ripping off welfare, but you have to take a serious look at what I call white collar welfare. Scientists at Federally funded research labs, nasa, military contractors are in this for billions. In any given city they employ thousands of people who pull down $80K per year easily. Those people would “starve” if it weren’t for the government. They are making way more off the government than the poor on welfare. Believe me, the big and powerful in Washington are not in it for nickles and dimes. The big government republicans like in the last administration are smart enough to know how to get billions out of government. That’s what makes me sick to see the hypocracy. You are being ripped off for more than just “welfare”, and their talk is a lie. Look at it all as welfare and hold everyone to the same welfare measuring stick and you might be astounded.

  • steve holland

    The dems. are about to find out what AMERICA is about. We are a people who don’t mind helping a friend in need no matter what race he or she is. We don’t mind paying or fair tax bill, but we will not stand by and let anyone slap us in the face. Dems and repubs. who don’t hear us now will hear us in November! PS. let me say this please keep the peace don’t let them make us stoop to le level they have got to. if we stay calm we WILL!!!!!! beat this. onemore word VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • momof4

      Steve,
      Thanks, I needed that!!!

    • JC

      You’re right Steve

  • Freedom Citizen

    All that needs to be said is “we have all taken the shaft”. If we don’t vote them out in November or impeach the illegal president, better keep your powder dry because that will be the only way to retake our Country and preserve our Constitution.

  • Hermie

    The way Obama did this is that he formed an air-tight team, they had a goal; they pledged support to him NO MATTER WHAT HE DECIDED TO DO. It seems that they have one agenda, which seems to be socializing America so we can “catch up” with Europe. Being a third generation immigrant from Europe, my family came to America to ESCAPE Communism. I have been upset with both Democrats and Republicans in DC. HOwever, I think we have the attention of the Republican party at this time. I think all conservatives MUST come together like the Obama team did; we must have a one goal, and support conservative candidates all over America. I fear that if we do not do this, we will continually frustrated by Obama and Pelosi and their friends.

    • scott

      like the monkey said when he got elected.those extremists who beleive in god and cling to there bibles and guns and the constitution,have to be dealt with and elliminated.if that does,nt tell you everything you need to know about monkey bama nothing does.we need a revolution now.

      • momof4

        Scott,
        What is wrong with you?

        • momof4

          Please get a grip on yourself!!!

      • Jana

        The sad thing is that scott’s rhetoric comes right out of the Liberal radical Democrats handbook.
        It was the Democrats that fought AGAINST equality for blacks.

        • Palin12

          a couple of other things in the liberal handbook…always label your opponent as stupid….always fall back on the race card…and when all else fails, blame Bush!

        • usmadgirl

          Jana, Momof4, Palin12,

          Do you suspect a “plant” to make the site look racist? Surely, he’s not “for real”!

          • momof4

            usmadgirl,
            Thats what I was thinking!!
            Thats their favorite card to play.

  • Norm
    • Joe H.

      abnorm,
      you need to look a little closer. 63% of the over all said only fair to poor!!!! independents are going down and repubs are dead against. you better start worrying!!1

  • cali

    I am with you all the way. We need to start organizing everyone. Recruit and regroup! I am sick of this control grab constantly by the politicians. They are suppose to be making things better so we can enjoy our life’ freely, independent in choice but instead they mis-manage every aspect of our life, from careless spending, taking our money to use on War, abortion, drugs, criminals the list is never ending. They think they know what is best for me and then dictate with mandate what I will have to do. Cameras on every corner, treating me guilty before innocent, taking our rights & freedoms away under the guise it is for our Freedoms, whatttt? Hmmm, disturbing is an understatement. I could go on for days about the evil doings of the elected parasites in office but I am tired of ranting so I won’t plus it is time for action. Lets get it done. On that note, I will come to a close. Thank you for your post Chip Wood and keep us informed so we can get a jump on the coming Nov election!…Ciao

  • Earl Ritter

    USPS, bankrupt ,medicare, bankrupt, Social Security, bankrupt, Medicaid, bankrupt, Amtrak, bankrupt,Fanny Mae, bankrupt, Freddie Mac, bankrupt, The USA, bankrupt. I have a great idea….let’s let the Federal Government run our health care system. I mean look at their successful track record.Health Care System under Feds, bankrupt. The liberal mind has no idea how to use common sense to solve a problem other than to spend more of SOMEBODY ELSE’S money. Have to agree with Michael Savage….LIBERALISM is a mental illness.

    Oh and by the way the financial melt down was also the fault of the Federal Government. Google Community Reinvestment Act and educate yourself.

    http://cloward-piven.com/ Or better yet check out this link and see what’s really going on.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      Good article!__and JEEZ, sounds just like what The Obama Adminstrations doing!

      • momof4

        Hi Angel,
        A friend of mine sent me an Email to help with my frustration. He said instead of swearing use the word Pelosi, Such as if you stub your toe just yell oh Pelosi!! if your out for a walk with a friend you can say be careful don’t step in that pile of Pelosi or you could say a good Pelosi in the morning is very healthful. I thought it was funny and it really does help relieve stress and frustration.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          Honestly, for me she just can’t get of the White House soon enough, I’m being petty, but she is nothing more to me, than a wart in the a**hole of progress!__lol

      • usmadgirl

        Hi angel-wanna-be,

        If you already know this, then I apologize, but your comment led me to believe you might not. Eighteen months ago, I didn’t have a clue that these evil people even existed.

        The progressives have used this strategy & Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” for decades. While we’ve been “asleep at the wheel”, they’ve been “navigating” this country with Cloward & Piven & Saul Alinsky tactics.

        Until now, the Progressives couldn’t accomplish their agenda because they didn’t have control of the House, the Senate & the White House. Now that they have full control, they’ve “tied us up & thrown us in the back seat”! Instead of SlOWLY progressing to “fundamentally transform” the country to Socialism or Marxism or Communism (wherever they’re taking us,) they’re now in the “driver’s seat” & have “put the pedal to the metal” & if they grant amnesty to the illegals, we won’t be able to get back in the “driver’s seat” to put on the “brakes”!

        Both Bill & Hillary Clinton use these strategies, but O-dumbo just used them to the letter to defeat Hillary in the nomination & he & all his radical thugs are using these tactics to completely collapse our system in order to reestablish it in “their own image”!

        Don’t mean to be pessimistic, just realistic! (I typed this 2 days ago, got busy with work & forgot to come back to submit it!)

    • American liberal

      Correct Earl… Anything that gets near a Neo Conservative administration goes broke … Bush took office with a surplus but his 2 trillion dollar adventure in Iraq and the deregulation of Wallstreet and Banks and on top of that when Bush ” crammed ” his tax cuts to the rich down our throats the recession we have is the result…

      • Joe H.

        amadumblib,
        That balance was just on paper,nothing else!! Besides I told you that according to your own post of amounts spent, Obummer is on track to spend eight trillion dollars fight now with out any more deficit spending!!! That’s four times what bush spent or the presidents from the last twenty years combined!!!

        • http://aol Don

          JoeH – that is on paper, nothing else.

      • momof4

        American Lib,
        Your starting to sound like a recording, BLABLABLABLABLA

      • tedcrawford

        There was never a surplus! The clinton administration created the phantom surplus by claiming the SS taxes payed in, while not reporting the SS benifits payed out! Now only a progressive can call that a surplus!
        It might serve us to recall that, at the time McCain tried to warn us that something wasn’t right with the whole thing! He was, unfortunatly ignored!

  • Norm

    The healthcare bill, as flawed as it is, is gaining in support. The right wing nuts would be wise to drop the repeal nonsense. It will definately prove to be a losing position.
    It is very doubtful that they will gain control of either the Senate or the House this year. Obama also has the veto power.

    Demint was right, it was Obama’s Waterloo. The problem is that the neocons were Napoleon.

    http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m3d23-More-polls-on-health-care-reform-bill-show-increasing-support-from-Americans

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      Normy, Nup, not givein’ up, we’re goin’ down with the ship if need be!

    • American liberal

      Norm…very true … Once the single payer option is added to the bill I believe the approval polls will go back to the mid 70′s where they were…

      • George E

        That’s exactly what the American people have been telling pollsters for the past year that they DON’T want. If you want more public support for health care reform, repeal this bill and start over with a true bi-partisan bill………and get the government out of the business of trying to run health care.

        • Joel Kruskie

          When they (IRS) come around just tell them you’re Amish!

        • Smilee

          Bipartisanship is impossible, if all one party knows is “NO”, it takes two to tango

      • Joe H.

        We’ll see what happens when he tries to pass amnesty!!! taht will do the same thing it did to Bush drop him like a rock!!!

      • tedcrawford

        This situation seems to be analogous to uncle mao’s collective farm argument. According to him the people would like it once it was up and running. Three years ,and about 65 million dead, later he decided mabey he had been wrong!

    • momof4

      Norm,
      You wish we would give up, no way baby!!! And let the country be run by the likes of you, Id rather die!!

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        RIGHT ON GIRL!

  • Norm

    Just a little bit from The hypocrite history book.
    The odds of the supreme court ruling against the mandates, by the way, is slim to nonexistant.

    http://www.examiner.com/x-15870-Populist-Examiner~y2010m3d24-Republicans-once-supported-the-individual-mandate

    • Joe H.

      norm,
      did you notice where that rag is from:??? The vrey area that keeps voting Dennis,I saw aUFO, Kookcinich!!!! Now that’s a more like what your first love eyes would post! Get some class dude!!!!!

      • Norm

        Joe H.
        The TRUTH, whatever the source, is still the truth.

        • Smilee

          Joeie has not been able to figure that out as yet

        • Joe H.

          Yeah, if it’s the truth and if it’s told by truthful people and not perpetual liars like you two!!!

        • Jana

          Norm,
          And, DISTORTED truth is still DISTORTED truth.

    • zack

      Norm, you wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you on your a$$. You need to grow up and learn a little bit more before trying to comment about something you do not know anything about.

  • American liberal

    President Obamas approval polls are pretty good concidering the mess the Republicans left the country in when he took over…. I’m predicting President Obama will go down in History as one of our greatest president… Maybe the best ever… He’s taken every shot the rightwing goverment haters have thrown at him..

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      AM– CRIPS-ALL- MIGHTY__ALL YOU LIBS SPEW THE SAME THING___WE SAVED OR CREATED THOUSANDS OF JOBS,__SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND__AND IT’S ALL BUSH’S FAULT__YOU IDIOTS DON’T HAVE ANY OTHER AGENDA OTHER THAN TAKING CONTROL OF THE COUNTRY, SO YOU CAN FRIGGIN’ BANKRUPT THAT TOO__ ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS THAT ARE IN THE TANK___AS IF IT’S TRUE WHAT PELOSI SAYS ABOUT THE HEALTH CARE BILL__”THIS IS HEALTHCARE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE”___IF IT’S SO DAMN GREAT, LET’S FORCE FEED HER AND HER CRONIES IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH IT___AH, BUT HIGH EXCES ARE EXEMPTED—HOW CONVIENIENT!!!?

      • TIME

        AWB, Do yourself a big favor, as a matter of fact all of your that have Solid American Core Values and love your FREEDOMS as Americans – don’t even respond to the wack jobs who call themselfs Liberals, they are not Liberals they are “MARXIST.”

        I am a Liberal, the word has been preverted by both the Marxist and the media.
        A Liberal is someone who has an “OPEN MIND” and can see all sides.

        PLEASE I beg you all – Talk with your friends and Family members Neighbors Have them watch Mr, GLEN BECK’S show he is doing a great job of exposing these Marxist and its all TRUE or he would have law suits out his butt for saying what he has.

        So PLEASE work in a positive way to get Congress and Senate persons who share your “CORE values as an American,” Work on even your local level state reps and mayors, down to school board leaders, lets remove all the MARXIST NOW.
        We don’t need any more POSERS we need solid people with a bloody SPINE to get their hand really dirty in the DC belt way. No more stuffed suit POSERS.

        We don’t have time for do overs people, so please I beg of all of you GOOD PEOPLE who believe in “FREEDOM” and American Core values its now or never!

        Don’t waste your time anylonger with the likes of Norm, American Liberal, denniso etc. You will never get anywhere!
        Let their rhetoric roll off your backs like water on a ducks back.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          TIME, THATS A GOOD POINT!__I CAN BE PISSY TOO!___LOL__ALL FREEDOM LOVERS, ALL HAVE TO STICK TOGETHER OR AMERICA__IS SOON GOING TO SPELLED “AMERIKA”

        • Joe H.

          Time,
          The biggest thing that Glenn has said is to not succume to violence use the anvil of truth and the hammer of peace, is what I think he said!! Or close to it! So remember friends Keep the peace and don’t let them egg you on to violence!!! God Bless America, AGAIN!!!!

          • Smilee

            all of the slurs and most of the violence came from his supporters, this is just a CYA maneuver by Beck

      • Smilee

        You didn’t address his post, Obama has always been over 20 percentages above GW Bush lowest numbers, the mess he inherited says despite all these are considered good, do not be surprised the more people learn about the health care and the more they like it, it may boost them again

        • momof4

          Hahahahahahahahahahahahah I don’t think so!!!!

    • EltonJ

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      American Liberal, you are so funny. hehehe. Entertain us some more and let us all laugh in your face. :D

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        EltonJ

        I’m glad your’e gay.

        But, only libs will say, “So what?”

        The conservatives only do it behind closed doors.

        TELL-THAT-TO-YOUR-FRIGGIN-FRIEND!

        • Joe H.

          Run,
          what’s this? Getting a little testy are we??? Don’t tell me us conservatives are getting to you!!!!

    • michael

      I agree and after the antics of the Tea perty folks the las few days it shows they are the racist, homophobic, paranid Idiots that we always knew they were.

      • George E

        Sounds like you might have a preconceived bias……..

      • Sam

        For Michael, you are an uneducated, oaf! You can’t even spell correctly. Go back to school and learn how to read!!

      • EltonJ

        What does “paranid” mean?

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          The word “paranid” relates to the Milton Friedmanics who believe in “voodoo economics”.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        How’s about a lil’ cheese with that Whine?

      • Palin12

        and tea “perty”?

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          Palin 12,__Libby’s are good Wah, Wah, Whinin’!___lol

          • Joe H.

            Angel,
            What wine goes good with dead rat??? answewer: libbiewhine or MD 20-20!!!!

    • Don Tremaine

      It was not Bush that left Obama a mess, it was the democratic congress.

    • RAT

      I was right… you really ARE a comedian; because you certainly can’t be serious.
      How much longer are you gonna blame Bush. This is Obama’s mess.

    • momof4

      Amercan Lib and Norm,
      Why are liberal men so bitchy!!

      • tedcrawford

        Ask barny frank!

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        MOMOF4, not enough hormones in the Messiah’s koolaid!___lol

        • Joe H.

          Momof4,
          she’s right, it Bawney Fwanks. You’ld be bitchy if you had to crouch in front of bawney and guard him, cause he’ GOT YOUR BACK!!!!!! Hehehe!!1

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JoeH, EWWW!

    • zack

      American liberal your predictions are way out of line. Obama will go down as the WORST president you have ever had. I do not even claim him as a president.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        Zack, Good Boy, My money’s on God anyway!

  • Norma

    This is just the beginning of the tyranny we will have to lie under if this thing is not removed from the White House.He is determined to take every freedom from us and bring the U S A to its knees.If we do not bring him down ,he will bring us down.I for one ,am not going to let this son of satan take my thoughts and freedoms away.I will go down fighting and please don’t tell me your sons,daughters and parents died defending our freedoms and rights only to let this monster take them from us.Wake up America! Let’s fight back now while there is still time.

  • Luu

    There is no doubt that something had to be done to help our people who cannot buy insurance because they have pre-existing conditions. I have a son with crohn’s disease and was diagnosed in High School…when I tried to get him insurance while he was still a student in college, no insurance company would accept him. Only thru my policy was I able to buy his insurance…that’s pathetic. Medicare has always been payroll deducted and yes…everyone pays that gets paycheck. So, what’s the difference between taking it out of the paycheck either before or after? Social Security is broke…where did all that money go? Good question! It’s OK to send our jobs overseas…then they wonder what happened to the jobs..OH man! I don’t know what the answer is, but all I can say is the Republicans and Democrats better start worrying about this country, instead of just their own parties!!!! Lobbyists!!!!! Why??? Everyone is trying to blame parties! I prefer doing away with both parties and just give the country back to the “people” to either vote on issues. Washington needs to start thinking about the USA for a while and quit trying to police the world…we simply cannot afford it, neither do we have the troops available. Healthcare is a big issue, you know it, but we cannot just travel down the road until we self-destruct, something had to be done. Republicans..you had control for a long time…Where was your health care bill? I don’t remember seeing that. Democrats, you had lots of years also….but you finally got something through. Didn’t think neither party would ever come together….they just fight, fight, fight!!! Makes me sick!! Just my two cents worth! We got lots of blame to pass around, but that doesn’t get anything accomplished! Luu

    • tedcrawford

      They will pay attention when we, the voters, do! It’s not about democrate, republican! It’s about progressive, Conservative!
      Look at bush “43″! In his first term, with a fairly conservative congress! Even though I wasn’t particullarly happy, compare that to his second term.With a largely progressive congress in the last two years! A complete disaster! !
      If we were to compare that to the clinton adminstration, first two years progressive congress, continued poor economy, the last six, largely conservative congress, Very strong economy! Ignore the d&r pay very close attention to the p&C!

  • Robert Shapiro

    We can stop this OBAMINATION – all of us are very busy, but we all need to become active, go to Tea Party Events. Keep sending out emails, keep calling and faxing your representatives. The Tea Party Movement will grow far larger then the Anti Vietnam War movement, this summer will be a long hot summer. We can take back this country, remember another Dem law PROHIBITION was overturned, and OBAMACARE will also be overturned. We need to not just change the Executive Branch the Presidency in Washington, this movement needs to go from the bottom, city, counties, states, to the Feds. We need to clean house from the mayors, school boards, county commissioners, through the state legislatures, through the governors. Keep in mind this movement is not a Republican or Democrat movement it is about all of US. They are taking away our freedoms.

    Keep in mind that when getting active you are busy making a living, you are doing this for your children, grand children and future generations. Freedoms were taken away very similar to what OBAMA and the DEMS are doing in NAZI Germany, Russia, and Italy, they are now doing it to us.

    These are PROGRESSIVES, they are the former revolutionaries of the sixties, now they have disquised themselves as commpassionate and peaceful, they are wolves in sheep’s clothing. So be careful, they do not appear to be who they really are.

    Keep in mind we do have the logic with us, and we will win the argument, just keep the faith and we again will take back this country.

    • RAT

      Awesome points, Robert!! Very good… especially about these 60′s radicals (now “progressives”). I never thought of that connection before.

      However, the Republicans are the only ones aligning themselves with the Tea Party movement. The Dems are calling them names. Therefore it is crucial that we and the Tea Party support the GOP. A third party candidate at this point (even a Tea Party candidate) could assure that the democrats hold the power at least until 2012.

      By the way, why are they now calling themselves “progressives”. They are so into their labels.

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        Sounds very much like Fascist liberty.

        “Heil, ….?”

        Well now, who will it be for you libertarian Aynn Rand Czarist Russia throwbacks?

      • Joe H.

        Rat,
        one other thing we need to remember is to call, write, And email ALL of our reps and remind them at least weekly that they work for US and to ignore us will result in them loosing their cushy life of riley job!!!!

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          Agreed!

          And Ohio Rep “Bonehead” Boehner would be first on my list.

          • RAT

            Name calling, AGAIN!!

        • Smilee

          GEE JOE,

          THEY DID NOT LISTEN TO YOU LAST TIME WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY WILL NOW. DREAM ON SUCKER

          • Jana

            Smilee, you are right. We don’t have representatives in Washington, we have dictators. that is also why the Congressional rating are 13%.

      • usmadgirl

        RAT,

        They’re calling themselves “Progressives” now because we all figured out that “Liberal” was BAD. Progressives use “Evolution” (evolving gradually from a free capitalist system to Marxism or which ever “ism” they’re taking us to) instead of “Revolution”.

        The radical left learned from their revolutionary experiences that we are a majority of decent, law abiding people who will not tolerate “revolution” like the radicals of the 60s & 70s. So they now wear “suits” in order to progressively “suck us into their web of evil” by putting programs in place GRADUALLY to promote their “social justice” & toward their Marxist agenda!

        The radicals who are running our country NOW were the radical (left-over hippies) revolutionaries of the 60s & 70s! They knew that most Americans wouldn’t listen to those who bombed buildings or killed people for “the cause”; so in order to carry out their Marxist agenda, they had to do it “progressively”! They knew we’d WAKE UP if they bombarded us all at once! Now, they know WE know (thanks mainly to Glenn Beck) so they’re moving FULL SPEED AHEAD!

        They’ve already taken over the banks, car companies, energy, & private companies & that happened in less than a year! Now, with the health care hoax, they’ll control every aspect of the health care industry & will fine people for not BUYING something from the GOVERNMENT who now thinks it’s “the good hands of ‘Allstate’”! How much more can they do by November & God forbid, (if we don’t gain control) by 2012? Our country will be completely transformed!

        They’ve just taken over Student Loans & we STILL don’t know what ELSE was in the health care bill! Remember, Nancy Pig-lousy said we had to “pass it to see what’s in it”! (Dumb arrogant witch!)

        Our government has been taken over by radical Union thugs & George Soros! Next will be amnesty for the illegal “future dumb-o-crats” & we’ll be permanently screwed! Our LIBERTY has been taken over by the “progressive” MOB!

        The Tea Party will chose candidates for the GOP. They KNOW that to create another “party” will only lead to the success of these radical, progressive dictators. Two parties were good enough for our founders so it should be good enough for us!

    • Smilee

      by 2011, tea parties will be fully recognized as the joke and fad it is and will have passed into history

      • zack

        Smilee, by April 30th 2010 you will be known as the JOKE of all BLOGS. HeHeHeHe HoHoHoHo HaHaHaHa HANDS A CLAPPING,LMAO, FEET IN THE AIR KICKING and FARTING.

        • Smilee

          MORE THAN LIKELY THIS IS WHAT YOU DO BEST, NEVER ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE FROM YOU

          • Joe H.

            I don’t know, he did a pretty good job of callin a teat sucker a teat sucker!!!

  • Marilyn

    American liberal must be sleeping in the Caves with rest of the Terrorists.
    He does not see the light of day, or the situation for what its worth.
    Elections can’t come soon enough for me.

    • American liberal

      President Obamas has had more sucess aginst the terrorist in Pakistan and Afghanistan than Bush had in his 8 yrs… Bushs only focus was Iraq….which had nothing at all to do with 9/11 …. It’s amazing , republicans always attack the wrong countrys….. Bush attacked Iraq after 9/11… And Ronald Reagan left Lebanon after the marine barracks attack with his tail between his legs.. But he did defeat the very large and dangerous enemy in Granada..

      • s c

        Take your pills, comrade. You don’t seem to be taking enough. If you run out, just send the bill and a fake prescription to Obummer. I hear Cuba is nice this time of the year (hint, hint). Take off, comrade.

      • George E

        Don’t forget, Reagan had a lot to do with bringing down the Soviet Union……..

        Also, don’t forget that almost all of the Democrats in Congress supported our incursion into Iraq as well.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          YES REAGAN DID BRING THEM DOWN, BUT YOU’LL NEVER HEAR THE LIBERALS GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR__BUT WE KNOW!

        • momof4

          Thats right george how soon they forget.

          • tedcrawford

            That is exactly what obama and company are counting on, that and the fact that the worst parts of this bill don’t kick in untill 2014!

        • Smilee

          THE SOVIET UNION DIED BECAUSE IT ROTTED AND DECAYED FROM WITHIN, REAGAN JUST HAPPENED TO COME ALONG AT THAT TIME AND WHEN HE SNEEZED IT HELPED BRING IT DOWN SOME , NOT QUITE RIGHT A WAY THOUGHT HE WAS GONE WHEN IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND THE WALL CAME TUMBLING DOWN ENDING THE SOVIET UNION. BUT THEN THAT IS HOW THE CONSERVATIVES STUFF HIM AND PROP HIM UP.IF THE TRUTH BE TOLD HE DID MORE HARM THAN GOOD AND WE ARE STILL PAYING FOR IT AND WILL FOR A TIME YET. HE WAS THE SEED THAT STARTED US ON THE ROAD TO BEING A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, WHICH OBAMA IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT SINCE WHO UNDERSTANDS THAT AND IS TRYING TO TURN THAT BIG SHIP OF STATE AROUND AND PUT US BACK ON THE RIGHT COURSE THAT IN TIME WILL CORRECT THE COURSE THAT REGAN PUT US ON WHEN HE STEERED US ASTRAY.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Yeah, just like your Messiah is trying to do to America!

      • RAT

        Sure, I’ll give Obama credit for some success in Afghanistan. But keep in mind how long it took him to make up his mind. He had to do something! He couldn’t just vote “present”. Furthermore, the success in Afghanistan is due largely to a troop surge… something he was against in Iraq… yet during the campaign he touted his natural superhuman gift of superior judgement.

        Such a lying thief we have for a president.

        • Smilee

          BUSH TOOK SEVEN YEARS AND NEVER DID MAKE HIS MIND UP

        • Joe H.

          Rat,
          He’s gotta have SOME progress when the terrorists are family members!!!!Hehe!!

      • Ken123

        American Liberal, ever heard the old addage “be Careful what you wish for”. You are about to get neighborhood clinics, unmanned by doctors with interns that have limitations on medicine, long lead times for appointments, and substandard care when you arrive. Doctors currently serving the public may as well change their profession to used car salesmen because they cannot earn enough to maintain their practicies and employ their staffs. The current shortage of primary caregivers that is already overly burdened cannot take on 30 million more patients without something giving somewhere. If you think medical care is expensive now, just wait until its free.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          MY MOTHER HAD MANAGED HEALTH IN THE 80′S AND 90′S__EVERYTHING, THEY USED ON HER WAS RATIONED, RIGHT DOWN TO THE Q-TIP._ AN IF THEY THOUGHT SHE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL TOO LONG, THEY SHIPPED HER HOME, ONLY TO BE BROUGHT BACK IN IN TWO DAY, BECAUSE SHE WASN’T WELL ENOUGH TO BE HOME.__THESE PEOPLE TOUTING ABOUT THIS UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE IN FOR__AND YOU IF GET A DOCTOR THAT NOT’S PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN HELPING A ELDERLY WOMAN DIE PEACEFULLY,(WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH US)_ YOUR ON YOUR OWN AND VERY ALONE!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            KEN, I WAS THE PRIMARY CAREGIVER, THE HOSPITAL TAUGHT ME IN 3 DAYS WHAT IT TAKES MOST NURSES TO LEARN IN SIX MONTHS__CARE OF CENTRAL PORTS, CATHETERS, PEG TUBES, MEDICINE MIX AND ADMINISTRATIONS, SHOTS HICKMANS, OXYGEN, IRRIGATIONS, WOUND CARE__I KNOW, I LIVED IT.

        • Lewis Munn

          My local doctor and 3 of the 4 nurses have already abandoned my hospital here, in disgust. The nearest doctor will be35 miles each way, and if I break a leg it will be an hour to get in to the hospital, if it can take patients!

          And I have to pay; all the money I paid in for 50 years is gone, never really having been used!

      • Luu

        Have never figured out the connection with Iraq….strange! Agree with you 100%!

      • zack

        American liberal you know why Obummer has had more success with the terrorists don’t you? Simply because he is one of them. A Muslim. Naturally a Muslim brother is going to get along better with the terrorist.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          Well said Zack!

          • Joe H.

            Angel,
            he better look out though it was in the paper that the deaths had almost doubled in afghanistan!!

          • Jana

            Thats because it took Obama so cotton pickin long to make up his mind what to do about Afghanistan and the 30,000 soldiers haven’t been deployed yet. They will get there just in time to come home since he has already announced we are leaving over there. Some great Commander in Chief he is not. He is the worst President in history.

        • zack

          jana you are so right. The worst and dummy-st president ever

  • Earl Ritter

    Do any of you liberals ever watch tv? 62% of the public wants the Republicans to keep hammering the Dems over this. Almost 75% were against it. And you have the balls to lecture us on freedom!!!

    Hey american lib if your going to debate learn the facts….again I say the government had as much to do with the financial melt down as wall street but of course we never blame them after all everything they do is for us. Government good business bad. I would suggest that, again you google ,community reinvestment act but you are a product of our public education system so you probably can’t read. Obamas ratings are in the tank . You liberals are going to keep pushing and sticking your nose in other peoples business and your going to end up with a bloody nose.

    • American liberal

      Earl… I actually do watch Fox news..i also listen to Rush.. As long as I can take it… So it’s very clear to me why the rightwing is so ignorant… You might try listening to more than Fox and Rush… It would benifit you..

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        WE DID, THATS WHY WE SWITCH NEWS STATIONS YEARS AGO!

      • Joe H.

        Amadumblib,
        I do watch some of the msm stations, and for good reason! I was always told in the Army that to know your enemy is to defeat them!!!

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          At’s a good point there Joe!

        • Smilee

          You must to have been in the service during peacetime or you would surely be dead

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Smilee,

            I think you may be confusing Joe H’s military service with ACORN service! Hmmmmm….which did you committ your life to?

            Fed Up Gal

          • Jana

            He is ACORN all the way. You can tell by the nutty answers he gives.

      • momof4

        Lib,
        If you looked up the word A@#hole in the dictionary you know what you would find? your picture!!!! HAHAHAHAHA Now I feel better!!!

        • momof4

          I know I am behaving badly but I can’t help it these Libs bring out the worst in me. So it’s their fault there now I sound just like a liberal!!! Yikes!!!!

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          Momof4___SHOT!____SCORE__YOUR UP SMILEE!!__LMAO__WAY TO GO GIRL!

      • tedcrawford

        You do realize that The Cartoon Channel has higher rateings than your sources don’t you?

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          Tedcrawford, Yeah Well , we’re all ARMCHAIR POLITCIANS AREN’T WE?

  • http://www.allgiftsonline.com/zencart Ingrid – European Conservative

    Well All, since I’m actually someone who knows ALL about what is coming down the pike having lived in a SOCIALIST country I have the right to tell ALL and be RIGHT about it to boot …. all of us coming over here (LEGALLY) know what social medicine is however in Belgium (my sister may post as well) we HAVE or had the BEST european socialist medicine availablein the world …. to give you an idea of WHAT it cost (that’s right — it is NOT free an arm & a legis more of what it cost)on a $1000 monthly income in 1970 I paid $130 for Social Security/National Healthcare and that is 13% on an $8,000/yr income and if I had made $10,000 or $12,000/yr (remember that’s 40 yrs ago) my income tax would have been raised from 15% to 30% and the SS/NHC probably between 20%-30%. We were lucky it was the best we saw the best doctors etc… now there is wait but not like England or Canada …… you pay tax also on EACH TV, on EACH Telephone, there is VAT (value added tax) on everything so if you buy a car that’s 1/3 more to pay just for tax, if your car doesn’t make it on first time thru inspection you PAY for EACH time you go through not once etc…. and I can tell you if we have to switch and live the way the liberals (20% of the american population) want us to that means it will be WORSE than what I had in Belgium …. all of us immigrants did NOT come here to get the same living …. we wanted MORE not less …. my sister who still lives there is in the middle class says she makes too much and will never be able to draw social security that will go to the illegals and poor but it is mainly the middle class that will pay for it all …. people over there have no illusions, no hope, no change …. the gvt milk them dry ….. and you think it can’t come here ….. are you nuts???!!! we’re going there!!! with this administration of GREED …. let’s send them (liberals, marxists etc… ) with a ONE way ticket to live in Cuba, Venezuela and/or Siberia …. since they like that lifestyle …. they are large with OPM (other ppl money) never theirs and remember THEIR lifestyle will NEVER be affected …. but YOURS surely will …. did U get your stimilus package yet it is time for all the “commatose voters” to WAKE up BEFORE it is too LATE! ….how’s hope and change working for you? there is NO compassion in this administration it is all about power THEIRS you are just the means to an end and that is THEIR agenda…..

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      INGRID, THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, TO TALK TO FOLKS WHO LIVE IN EUROPEAN SOCIALISM,__ THE GUY WHO USED TO DO MY NAILS, CAME FROM VIETNAM, WE TALKED AT LENGTH ONE DAY AND I’LL TELL YA WHAT__WE HAVE IT DAMN GOOD HERE COMPARED TO WHAT HE LIVED, TIL HE CAME TO THE US__ AND SADLY, SOME OF THE FOREIGNERS THAT COME HERE LEGALLY, ARE BETTER AMERICANS THAN WE ARE., SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY KNOW SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM AND TRULY APPRECIATE AND VALUE THE FREEDOM___I’D LIKE TO WRITE AN ARTICLE ON HIS LIFE, IT WAS REALLY EYE OPENING!

      • Joe H.

        Angel,
        I used to be on another site and we had a lady, English Rose. she lived in London and she told us about their care. she told about “stacking” a process where the ER makes the patients stay in the Ambulance until the ER is ready to treat them. That way they can claim shorter stays in the ER by the check-in time and treatment time!!!
        Another thing that she told us about was the practice of sedating elderly patients so any improvement would be masked and they literally let them die!!! she posted a site in london that told about the two nurses that finally couldn’t take it any more and went to the papers about it. these were not disgruntled employees that had been fired, they got fired after they exposed it. the government has brought them up on charges for exposing the government!!! I personally read the whole report and was totally disgusted by it!!! god help us if we get this bill!!!
        god Bless America Again!!!!

        • Joe H.

          Typo…. GOD

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          jOEH, I know, that’s why I’m so infatic telling my story, about the experiences we had with managed care__I believe a great movement is on, against obama’s healthcare reform, but we’ve got to keep spreading the news, if more people who had bad experiences in managed care would expose it__it may open up more eyes!__Gotta keep on, keeping on my friend, and yes GOD BLESS AMERICA!

          • Smilee

            On this I agree with you, managed care has proven to be the worst type of health care we have ever had, what you do not seem to understand is this reform will correct much of managed care, when they can no longer deny care or control care, the reasons they managed carefor will go away

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            smilee, health care can be controlled by doing what used to be done, and letting healthcare up to the people and their doctors and insurance companies paying for it!__If you can afford a cadillac plan then so be it!__But, There is afforable plans out there___Ya Gotta DO THE HOMEWORK!__ the best way to reform it is, keeping bureacrats the hell outta of it. NO GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER!__ No one said the health care system we have now is perfect, NONE is. It needs tort reform to stop all the frivilous lawsuits,(but some protection does need to be in place, if your medical professionals are truly found to be neglectful)__ they need to get a better plan in order to weed out hypocodriatics that are constantly running to the doctor, every time they have a fart crossways_in other words, abusing the privilage__buying insurance across state lines,__Letting people keep some of their hard earned money buy lowering taxes, and then let them open up health care accounts__What happened to incentives?__ a full takeover of 1/6 of the economy disguised “HEALTH CARE FOR THE PEOPLE” is not the answer, it’s a power grab and another way to control us and meddle in our lives!__Quite Frankly enough is enough!__Let me say this___use your own home for example__ASK YOURSELF THIS, CAN I SPEND MY WAY OUT OF DEBT?__THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN, IS BY USING SOME ONES ELSES MONEY AND NOT HAVING TO PAY IT BACK!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Smilee,

            You sure do make me laugh….I mean smileeeeee…with your knowledge of managed health care.

            Sooooooo…instead of an insurance company saying “NO”….guess you’ll all feel much better at having the government say “NO” to the elderly because of their assumed low return on the health care dollars invested on them under the president’s version of health care reform.

            That brings us to another question……Wonder if Obama and his PLLL fan club will then say “NO” to Aids patients? Just wondering.

            Fed Up Gal

    • usmadgirl

      Ingrid – European Conservative,

      Thank you for your personal knowledge of the system that has being forced on us. Most of us have enough common sense & knowledge of where this will take us, but so many don’t. WE DON’T WANT GOVERNMENT RUN ANYTHING!!! We KNOW it’s not about “health” or “care”. We KNOW it’s about CONTROL! Why some refuse to see this is beyond me!

      I’m sorry that you came here to escape what we’re turning into! America was the last hope! Where do we go if this continues?

  • Doc Sarvis

    This plan is not what the left wanted, it is not what the right wanted (from what I can tell was no change). It is a compromise that includes over a hundred Republican amendments. It is not “the solution” to our health care problems but it is an improvement from what I can determine.

    • s c

      Comrade ‘Doc,’ your appointment has been scheduled for that brain transplant that you’ve needed for so long. Don’t forget to take most of your icons with you (especially Gore). He sorely needs one himself. I’m sure Obummer will be glad to ‘pay’ for it, so to speak. If Obummer can’t pay for it, Soros will. Think of it as a union payback for decades of loyal service to the useful idiot society.

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        s.c., you are another example of a 15 watt mind in a 150 watt world.

    • Joe H.

      doc goofus,
      Pray tell, what WERE those 100 republical ammendments?? Source and facts please!!!! (NO HUFF N TOKE PLEASE!!)

      • Smilee

        If you do not know weather or not they are there , how can you know they were not there, actually this bill contained over 200 amendments proposed by republicans, what is more ironic is their counter proposal in 1993 to Clintoncare was almost identical to what they now call Obamacare, you know they voted for it before they voted against it and the Romney signed bill in MASS is very similar as well, but again we are hearing denials and lies on this, The truth will one day set them free when they get voted out starting with McCain

        • Joe H.

          Damn! Next it will be 300, 500, 1000 repub parts!!Yeah wright!!!

      • Doc Sarvis

        I don’t have a list but I remember Nancy Pelosi saying there were more than 200 Republican Ammendments and later I heard a news report saying there were around 100. I went with the lower number but I have seen several articles from various sources saying there were a lot of current and past Republican provisions in this bill.

        • momof4

          Doc,
          And you believe what Nancy Peloisi says? PLEASE!!!!!!!

          • Doc Sarvis

            No, I do not necessarily believe her or any politician for that matter. That is why I did not use the figure she stated. Please read what I said.

  • Earl Ritter

    I’ll tell you what is going to happen ….just watch. The messiah says our insurance premiums will go down due to him. Oh, he’s so wonderful. But when you force the ins companies to insure the people with pre existing conditions your going to put people in the insurance pool that are a higher risk which will push our premiums up. Then with the help of the compliant main stream government run media ,they will bad mouth the ins companies day and night, and we all know if you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth. Just ask the liar in chief. This will turn the public against the ins companies and allow our wonderful messiah to have his single payer system. This isn’t and never was about health care or health care reform it was about power…plain and simple. This man is a Marxist and he is surrounded by Marxists and he has associated with Marxists all his life. This is the same 60′s crowd that wanted to overthrow the government thru violence and when they saw that wouldn’t work they got law degrees ,got into government and now the are lying to us about how much they care about us and want to make our lives better. Bull Poop!

    • tedcrawford

      I have a situation in mind that is directly compareable to this one. How many of us out there can remember back to before auto insurance was mandatory? In my state auto insurance,while expensive, was affordable. The very week that it became mandatory it TRIPLED! Give us any idea what health insurance will cost in 2014?

      • Smilee

        What state do you live in, when my state passed that law the premiums did not go up, must not have much insurance regulation in that state

  • http://www.drjobs.us/ Physician

    Everybody, look at the bright sight: For the first time in decades we got Fidel Castor’s approval. Way to go America!

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      PHYSICIAN, YAY!__LOL

    • Jayboy

      I noticed a couple of comments above that stated ,”they’ve never seen such smuggness and arrogence in a commander in chief” May I remind you of some history lessons evidently noy learned by many.. Does the name Hitler or Stalin stir any thoughts or memories? Say goodbye to America as you new it The Change comes…Change the power mongers seek

  • LimestoneFreedom

    If you are looking for a network to get involved in, try checking out http://www.campaignforliberty.com

    But however you do it, get involved to help VOTE OUT the liberals!!

  • Earl Ritter

    Hey lib I’ve listened and watch you morons spew your liberal bs for 40 years…I ‘ve listened to both sides of the argument and you people are nuts. and again I say keep pushing and your going to end up with a mashed nose …people are getting fed up with you’re bs.

    I’m tired of being called an extremist for believing what the Founding Fathers believed in. I was brought up in a public school system that actually taught the truth.

    • Lewis Munn

      Congratulations, Earl; those are very rare. Headed the way of the Dodo bird.

      Will not be long until our students are taught science according the Islaam, and socil mores ccording the Qu’ran, including multiple marriages, wife beating, and prostitution.

      The proper uses of women.

      Not what you will find in our Republic’s Constitution.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution

    As a widow of a military retiree, who stood with her husband for over 20 years while he served this country (which was the greatest in the world until this Congress and President took over), I have to say I agree. Shirley

    As a retired military man that have given over twenty-seven years of my life to my country, I truly feel that what this
    Country needs most is a new amendment to the Constitution . I am recommending that we add the 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES.

    For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that Congress members could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn’t pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered…in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

    This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come.

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Congressman, Senators and Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Congressman. Senators and Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States”.

    This 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES Will apply to all passed, present and future
    congressman, Senators And Representatives.
    Just think of all the money this would save the tax payers!!!!!

    HTCM USN Retired James A. Graham E-Mail address is ( jagraham@charter.net ) Please forward !!!!!!!

    • V Cox

      Congress changed the law regarding retirement and social security back in l984. Stop telling people they don’t participate. They have exactly the same retirement and healthcare options as all federal employees. They do not get full salary retirement after one term. They are vested after serving 5 years, they can’t collect until they reach age 62. They pay into Social Security. The average congressional retirement in 2007 was $35,000 a year. Anyone can find the truth, if they want to look for it. snopes.com

      • Joe H.

        another liberal progressive site started by a liberal man and his wife!!!!

      • http://Don'thaveone Sally

        Wow!!!! Thats darn good with the average salary of Congress and pliticians in Washington making an average salary of $100,000.00. No way you are going to get that on Social Secuirty and none of the politicians can pay into both – they have to select. I don’t know about today with the government jobs paying so much, but back in the late fifties and during the 60′s, if you were are GS 3 thru GS10 you made an average of $6,000 per year. After 30 years service paying into the Federal Program instead of social security, one received less per month that a person with the same exact wage earnings to the tune of $300 per month. I know!!!!!

  • michael

    Everytime I het bored Iread this tripe and realize the reason this countries students perform so poorly is that the Conservatives are alowwed to breed thus lowering the intelligence of the US.

    • Matt

      If it wasn’t for conservatives, this country would be gone!

      • Smilee

        If it had not been for liberals it would not be here, if conservatives would have had their way it would have been gone along time again

      • who cares

        Matt, Thats were all you are wrong. To the GOP conservatives republican whats right is wrong, whats wrong is right. they even fooled you too. conservative does not mean save complete the oppsite example Clean water act means the oppsite mean no rules of how mush they can pollute the water or the clean air act. The republican’s change the law, lifted the rule of how mush companies can get away with. You or i a private citizem can not get away as companies can. all of you have thick heads in other words dumb ass.

    • libertytrain

      michael – you need to proof your work if you are going to pretend intelligence over the rest of us.

    • John Carville

      Michael, before you start panning someone else’s intelligence, take the time to correct both your spelling and your grammar

      • Joe H.

        john,
        you know how it is with these libbies can’t stop smoking the GANJA MON!!!

    • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

      michael, I wouldn’t worry about perfect grammar, wordspelling, etc.

      It would be casting pearls before swine anyway. These types are all 15 watt minds in a 150 watt world.

      Even their buzzboy poster at the very top can’t write a complete sentence. Consider the grammar by the Chipper Wood: “Every single survey taken in the past two months showed massive public opposition to the measure.”

      A complete sentence should have at least one verb. But, you have to consider the source for perfection or judgment of perfection.

      • Joe H.

        of course you and michelle are burnt out bulbs so I’m not worried about your comparison!!!

      • tedcrawford

        Obviously you are uneducated in grammer! SHOWED is a verb! That’s the pot calling the kettle black!

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          You are right!

          When I read it originally, I must have twisted a error in a fact statement into a grammatical error.

          • Joe H.

            how about AN error??? don’t get on other people if you, yourself can’t put a coherent sentence together!!!

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          Bill Gates gave me bad information (you know, the Bill Gates that ships jobs out of the country after making billions of dollars with operating sytems locking in other applications like a “true robber baron” and reducing their economic “free enterprise”).

          Bill (a corporate international socialist takes his profist from underpaying American workers and provides health care programs in Africa but disregards any such effort here) advised me during a scan of Garret’s original post above in MS Word where he advised me that the sentence under consideration was a “sentence fragment”.

          Just goes to prove, you can’t trust a Republican. It was my mistake. I should have remembered that.

          • libertytrain

            While it tries very hard, Word is not always correct in everything it wants you to change —- after all, it’s only a computer program —

    • momof4

      Michael,
      Who would pay for all the wefare if it where not for the hard working conservatives.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Hard working conservatives AND hard working liberals pay for welfare.

      • who cares

        momof4, You think only conservatives work and pay taxes?? Damm you dumb. you don’t even know what conservative mean to the GOP republicans?? Of course they clame to be conservative, But does not what they do. They’re the oppsite of conserve or save. they also know you folks are dumb down because you watch Fox OPINION New.. JOKE’s ON YOU. I’d just saw Glenn Beck bark like a dog How can anyone take this people seriously??????? for serious info MSNBC cable tv.

        • libertytrain

          with your ability to spell, I’m not sure if you’ve learned anything either.

    • Joe H.

      michelle,
      OUR intelligence??? in your post, a two liner, I found three
      goofs.
      1)het for get.

      2)Iread for I read

      3)alowwed for allowed the word has two Ls and only one w!!!!
      In the future if you are going to try so weakly to insult ones command of the English Language, I would suggest you proof read prior so it at least looks like YOU do!!!

    • Lewis Munn

      I see. Your liberals have been saying Eugenics is false; too, but you say it is true.

      Funny thing, my wife and I were both professionals, and conservatives when we met. I still am; she has passed on to her reward. Our children are all top performers, and still conservative.
      You may check their school records; our best one is completing a double masters with a teaching certificate as I write this.

      I believe your flat statement is totally disproven by this one case; I suggest you go back and read a good eugenics text a while; see what you missed!! And check other sources.

      If your parents are still alive, ask them where they went wrong!

    • Lewis Munn

      kcnael,

      You need to go back to school and read some good books on genetics.

      My wife and I were professionals and conservatives when we met. And stayed conservative. We both also were intelligent.

      Our children have been high performers; one is currently finishing a double Master’s degree, and a teaching certificate.

      That blows your hypothesis outta the water.

      Curious if your kids amounted to the same levels.

  • Earl Ritter

    We may be ignorant…but we have common sense a quality liberals lack

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      At’s what I’m talkin’ ’bout!

  • American liberal

    Here’s how it works…. The party that wins the election pushes the agenda they ran on…. President Obama ran on a healthcare agenda and won the election ,,, so nothing was crammed down anybodys throat … It’s just taken to long because he tried to include republicans… And if the country should make the same mistake in 2012 that brought us this recession then you rightwingers can destroy the country again … And you can give the rich their tax cuts again… You can Deregulate the Banks and lenders again and make sure the failed Ceos get their millions in bonuses…and America will be the 3rd world country you want …

    • Meteorlady

      Obama was elected because he is a smooth talker, had tons of money behind him, had nothing in his background to research since it was all “hidden”, and people were sick to death of Bush. It had nothing to do with health care – it had to do with getting out of the wars and hopefully fixing the economy.

      You absolutely need to study up before entering this blog and taking up space. Read about Argentina and Venezuela. They are prime examples of the road we are on. And, yes you are right about us becoming a third world hell hole like them if we continue to support Obama, Peolsi, Reid and the rest with their liberal agenda.

      Why can you not see the logic of all this? There are only so many people working in this country and actually producing good and services. These are the businesses and people that make the economy grow. The rest are government workers and welfare recipients lined up for the freebies. How long do you actually think that we can continue to work to support the other 1/2 of the population.

      All you liberals rail again the “corporations” and taking jobs out of America. Thank Bill Clinton for most of that – NAFTA and free trade with China lost us millions of manufacturing jobs.

      If you had a family of 5 and another family of 5 wanted 1/2 of what you had could you survive for long?

      • V Cox

        Actually, you can thank Ronald Reagan for the corporate tax breaks to move the factories off shore, long before NAFTA.

        President Obama is the president because the American People elected him. He is doing the things that we asked him to do. Trying to fix and clean up the mess, left by the absolute “most arrogant” President in history.

        • momof4

          A one term president!!!

          • Norm

            momof4

            Don’t bet your house on it.

          • Smilee

            AW LET THEM DREAM ON NORM, WHEN THEY WAKE UP IN 2012 THEY WILL DISCOVER THE TRUTH. FOUR MORE YEARS

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          Where’s Limbaugh’s parody about “Singing Songs to Our Hitoric Leader” when ya need it!___Oh Harriet!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            sorry spelling—I meant, historic!

        • zack

          Smilee, Hands a clapping, legs in the air, and farting LMAO lol wwhhhoooo. How stupid can You get. 1 Term if he makes it through the first without being impeached.

      • tedcrawford

        Actually we could and should have done more research! More of us should have read his books! Had we done so we would have seen his marxist leanings In his own words from the auducity of hope Upon arriveing at collage I sought out the radical and foreign students and marxist professors. That’s pretty darn clear to me!

        • JeffH
          • http://aol Don

            I read this article and went to the sources. The sources was no sources – this was all made up. This is typical of you.

          • JeffH

            You are lying once again…eyes with thesize 15EEEE jammed down your throat once again, again and again and again!

    • EltonJ

      American Liberal,

      How would you like to be an indentured servant?

      • Joe H.

        EltonJ
        I think he already is to Obummer!!!!

        • momof4

          He’s what you would call a useful idiot.

          • momof4

            I am talking about American lib.

      • Smilee

        KIND OF LIKE WORKING FOR AN BIG AMERICAN CORPORATION WITHOUT UNION REPRESENTATION

        • Joe H.

          gee,Dopie, you mean like my wife does?? gets a 401k w/match, gets stock option, gets cash retirement option, gets a choice of four different health plans, has optical, dental, and prescription coverage, good pay, in 27 years has never had a layoff. gee you are right we better go union!!! NOT EVER!!!

          • Smilee

            GEE JOE

            SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A LOT BETTER WITH A UNION, I DID A LOT BETTER THAN THAT AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE UNION, I GOT ALL THAT AND A LOT MORE. FOR STARTERS HOW ABOUT BOTH A 401k AND A DEFINED BENEFIT PENSION, A FIVE WEEK VACATION AT 25 YEARS, DID SHE GET THAT AND I COULD GO ON AND ON

          • Jana

            Smilee,
            Yep and just like with most Union people you only know how to do one little thing, and don’t have to work very hard and are probably overweight and definitely overpaid. That is exactly why the car manufacturers are in the trouble they are in, UNIONS.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JANA, EXACTLY!___MY OLD MAN WAS IN THE UAW FOR A TIME, HE DIDN’T LIKE IT, BUT HE WAS, HE WAS ALSO A UNION REP___IF A WORKER CAME IN DRUNK ON THE JOB, AND THE COMPANY FIRED HIM, AS UNION REPS, THEY HAD TO FIGHT LIKE HELL WHETHER THEY BELIEVED IT WAS RIGHT OR NOT, TO GET THE BASTARD HIS JOB BACK, THANKFULLY THE OLD MAN WASN’T THERE LONG!

    • Earl Ritter

      There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch….unless the government steals it from somebody else.

    • Joe H.

      AmADumbLib
      He also ran on fixing the economy and all I can see is him making it worse!!! Dollar getting ready to self destruct, gold going through the roof, people still loosing their houses, He’s gonna let them get new loans but what the hell good will that do if the people are laid off???

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      American Liberal,

      He also ran on transparency…..and you see how well that turned out!

      Fed Up Gal

  • James Corbin

    Thanks, John, I was a Democrat but not anymore!! They did not listen to the American People. Yes we are headed to Socialism, thanks, to
    Obama, Nancy, Harry and all the other libs. I didn’t include Biden,
    he doesn’t know up from down—just a puppet!!! Did you people hear what Obama’s new pastor said? He said the Bible said to spread the wealth– the Bible does not say that at all!!! We are headed for destruction and if any body can’t see this they are blind or fooled!!

    • Deborah Anne Williams

      Dear friends,

      All discussions here are simply a shark feeding frenzy that improperly uses the word Socialism. I am a Democrat. I voted for Obama. This country is NOT headed toward Socialism. The word Socialism is used too freely, and inappropriately so.

      I lived in Canada and after a few years I could see why Americans were disliked. Read what you are posting here, there is nothing but hatred, arrogance and misuse of words. If you are not happy with government, do something about it. Ruffling your feathers on an Internet discussion forum does nothing but offer a false sense of confidence in your twisted beliefs. Read, study, and act. Act responsibly. Post your name, what are you hiding from?

      Here is Socialism.
      In a Socialist nation we all would be taxed, we would all pay for our Nations health care. I earned 40K per year but I only saw 26K take home. Where did the the 14 k go? health care. Every mother received approx $40 per month per child. It did not matter if you we a doctor or a farmer, you got the cash so your child had milk, diapers etc. One physician had 5 children and he felt that the $200 hand out could be put to better use. He did not need it, but received it anyway.
      All health care was covered, but you might have to wait. Specialist might be difficult to come by if you lived in a remote Province. My dear friend with cancer had to see a specialist for his cancer. He had two choices. Fly to Toronto, or wait six months. He waited and is no longer with us.
      Sales tax runs close to 12%, each Province varies. We did not have dental coverage and most people elected not have dental care at all! Cost of seeing a dentist was too high.

      The people in the Canada did not have the hatred for one another that
      I see here. Nothing is perfect, but we need to start somewhere. Many children are not having regular child care visits. A chronic ear infection can be devastating and avoided with routing visits to the pediatrician. Instead the suffering child is brought to the ER, and the high cost of the ER is paid by you and me.

      Here is an example of ignorance that is fueling the fire of hatred in many of you.
      “Since the Illegal alien president, Barack Hussein Obama and the Socialists in Congress want to redistribute your wealth, we can oblige them.”

      Please cut the Bull. Start making sense and make your voice heard properly.

      • JeffH

        Deborah Anne Williams, try Marxism on for size…your presidential hero is a straight up Marxist. Don’t take my word for it, do just a little research and the truth shall set you free.
        http://obamaism.blogspot.com/

        • http://aol Don

          This article was not based on any facts. I looked up his sources.

          • JeffH

            eyes with size 15EEEEin your mouth, It is all over the internet and you can’t disprove any of it! Prove me wrong, mouth!

          • JeffH

            eyes with size 15EEEEin your mouth, It is all over the internet and you wouldn’t take the time. You can’t disprove any of it! Prove me wrong, mouth!

      • tedcrawford

        If you are truly from Canada you must be young. If not you would realize that this is exactly the way Canada got it’s current form of healthcare! You guys just skipped this step and started out with the “public option”. So, if you liked it so well just hang in there that will surely be the next move!
        I’m not miss stateing anything! I’m simply takeing obama at his own word! He clearly said in his book the auducity of hope that his first move upon arriveing at school was to seek out the radicals, foreign students, and marxist professors! Those are his words not mine!

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        DAW,

        If we were to cut out all the bull….you PLLL fan club members would not even be posting here.

        Fed Up Gal

  • Joyce Bygall

    To All: Please wake up & realize this is not a republican or democrat thing! They are all in bed together, and laughing at the sheeple in this country. Our government has been controlled for years by the elitist money gang. Please go to You Tube and view the video “The Money Masters” for a true history of our country. This is not taught in the government run schools, but thanks to the internet and great communication tools, americans are finally learning the truth and waking up. I pray we can vote them out, but watch out, the next bill to be rammed down our throats is the Amnesty Bill! This will give within 24 hrs. of passage, voting rights to approximately 30,000,000[maybe more] illegal aliens, universal registration, voting rights to felons and prisoners! These “progressive liberals” are very smart and have prepared for any eventuality! With God’s help, we can & must take back our government to save our country. PLEASE – watch the video & get educated NOW!!!!

    • Meteorlady

      The politicians are salivating when they look at the hugh number of votes they will have, and the corporations are salivating when they look at the hugh pool of cheap labor the will have. The rest of us are just mad because we ill end up footing the bill for 15-20 million more on our social services roles.

      Please do not tell me the same stale arguments used in 1986 – they will better themselves, get good jobs, send their children to collage and our borders will be secured. None of that happened. They did pay taxes and into SS and Medicare, but they cost us more than they contributed by about 73%. 10 years after 1986 most were not attending school, working menial jobs, collect all the free services they could from the government and were paying little or not taxes because they didn’t make that much.

      As for securing our borders – all we did is say “welcome – get up here and you can jump to the head of the line, then get social services and your set for life. In other words, we rewarded lawbreakers for bad behavior.

      If we want true immigration reform, we need to seal our borders, freeze everyone in place, identify the illegals and send them back to get in line. Then fine all the employers who have been enabling them to stay here.

      All they do is lower our wage scale and gut our social programs with demands. They are not responsible enough to lower their birth rates and keep having more children then they can afford so is that the type of new citizen that we need in this country?

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      JOYCE, EXACTLY WHAT I SAID, NEXT IS AMNESTY, CUZ THE LIBS ARE GONNA NEED ALL THE VOTES THEY CAN GET COME NOVEMBER–WE REPUBS, JUST HAVE TO STAY IN IT!

    • JeffH
      • http://aol Don

        Just because he was successful at protecting himself from the Nazis doesn’t make him a Nazi. This accusation is like the one against Tiger Woods. A guy accussed Woods of being gay after he had affairs with 10 or more girls.

        • JeffH

          eyeswideshut…you just can’t handle the truth…just admit it fraud!

          • Jana

            JeffH,
            eyes is just a lonely bitter old woman. The only joy in her life is being a pest. She is like a mosquito, she comes in and bites and everyone hates mosquitoes.

  • Sandra

    There are religious exemptions in the bill for Amish, Muslims and of course exemptions for Pelosi and her staff and Reid and his. I assume these will be legally challenged under the equal protection clause. In addition, I think we all should become instant Amish or Muslims so we can be exempt too. If we say we are, we are as you cannot “prove” someone’s religion. Also, since the reason given for Muslims is that it is gambling, then Orthodox Jews and Catholics also forbid gambling (except Catholics like bingo). And if you are a gambler in Gamblers Anonymous (operative word, anonymous) then you cannot gamble and so cannot get health insurance either. And thinking about it, I wonder if Muslims in this country drive, because if they drive without car insurance, aren’t they breaking the law? And if they are exempt, maybe we should look at that too. What a ridiculous bill! It is a total waste of paper!

  • American liberal

    And a ” Great Big”… Happy Birthday to Nancy Pelosi…..

    • EltonJ

      You mean the Haggard Old Cow has become much more haggard?

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      HEY_YEAH, SHE LOOKS GOOD FOR 90!

      • Joe H.

        Angel,
        She looks like a million dollars….ALL GREEN AND WRINKLY!!!!!!

        • Doc Sarvis

          …again, remember this is personalliberty.com NOT peronalattacks.com

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Doc Sarvis,

            True…and thank you for the polite reminder. Now…I just hope you will send a similar reminder when a liberal posts similar things.

            Fed Up Gal

          • eyeswideopen

            Fed Up, no liberal on this site, has ever attacked a repub, on their looks, or voice, or body. You must be drinking again. lol

          • libertytrain

            Eyes – you must not read the posts very well.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Eyes,

            I think we discussed this in a previous post (different article)….when you were again having trouble formulating your thoughts into a coherent statement. My offer from then still stands…..just send me your thoughts, and I’ll reach over the party line and write your post for you.

            Fed Up Gal

      • Joe H.

        Angel,
        She looks like a million dollars….ALL GREEN AND WRINKLY!!!!!!
        She looks like a horse thats been rode damn hard and put away wet!!
        she looks like a thousand miles of bad road!!!!
        If I had a dog with her face I’d shave his azz and make him walk backwards!!!
        I think her plastic surgeon should be shot for crimes against humanity!!

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          JoeH, damn, you are talented!!

        • Smilee

          DESPITE ALL THAT SHE STILLS LOOKS TEN TIMES BETTER THAN JOE

          • Joe H.

            to finish smilee’s post: and a thousand times better than smilee!!!!
            h that was a low blow. Speaking of low blows hows your job dopie???? Ow1 that was a bad cut. speaking of bad cuts, how did your circumsision go??? smilee the dwarf is so short he has to open his fly to spit!!! Matter of fact he’s so short he’s gotta jump to kiss a snake’s belly!!!

          • http://aol Don

            smilee, you made joe flip out. This is funny. He can dish it out, but can’t take it. I should stop, because he sounds like a fourth grader.

          • zack

            Smilee surely you are not talking about Pelosomino. She is so ugly that she has to stand behind the door to pick her nose so a bugger wont get her

          • Smilee

            DON

            NEITHER JOE OR ZACK ARE CAPABLE OF SAYING ANYTHING INTELLIGENT BUT I MUST ADMIT JOE, THIS TIME LOST IT MORE THAN USUAL

          • JeffH

            Smilee, I guess we can thank you for all of your intelligent comments, huh? NOT!

          • Joe H.

            JeffH,
            If intelligence was nitro, smilee/dopie couldn’t blow his nose!!!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Joe H,

          You are killing me, here! LoLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Funnnnnnnnnnnny!

          Fed Up Gal

    • Palin12

      Pelosi is so ugly, one time I took her home and my mother put newspapers on the floor.

      • Jana

        Palin12,
        Pelosi is just an evil person.

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        That’s ruff!___LOL

  • Layin in the grass

    I have to disagree with Chip when he said,” the only way we’re going to win back our lost freedoms is at the ballot box.” We won our freedoms once before without a ballot box.
    As he said the real question is, “Are we willing to do what it will take to change things?”
    And as always, ” Keep some powder dry !”

  • American liberal

    What exactly does” keep your powder dry” mean?

    • American

      Is there anything at all that you can figure out on your own? Go ahead, ask one of your radical friends, they’ll ‘splain it all to you.

    • JeffH

      Why don’t you put your lberal spin on it and tell us all about it?

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        JeffH, Why don’t you put your lberal spin on it and tell us all about it?____He will “HEY LUCY, YOU GOT SPAININ’ TO DO !”

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          DAMN SPELLING, SORRY_SPLAININ’!

          • Joe H.

            angel,
            The first one sounded more like rad!!!

  • American liberal

    Had the Republicans been anywhere near competant President Obama probley wouldn’t has been elected…. Do you think president Obama was elected because Bush did a good Job?

    • denniso

      It was these hotheads who elected(w/ the help of the rightwing Court)the worst and most incompetent Prez in our history,setting the stage for the first ever minority Prez to be elected who is also one of the more liberal we’ve had,though not liberal enough for many of us. Then they freak out over his trying to fix the economy collapsed by that very Bush, and finally reforming the most expensive and dysfunctional
      healthcare system in the developed world. Now they are scaring off any moderate support for their cause w/ all this violent talk and threats of actual violence and helping make the Dems look even better.
      Keep it up rightwing extremists and damage your wacko party even more.

      • michael

        I agree 100%. I guess if I polled like fox news I would of said 110%

      • Joe H.

        well you got it half right its the second worst pres, Obummer is the worst by far. Oh and as far as that second, I forgot jimmah and slick willie!!! guess Bush was fourth worst!!!!

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      NO, THE LIBERALS RAISED MORE MONET TO PUT OMAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE, THAN THE REPUBS__IT’S ALL MONEY AND POWER___TO COIN A PHRASE__THE ONE WHO DIES WITH THE MOST TOYS WINS!

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      AM, OBAMA IS INEXPERIENCED, THE REASON HE LOOKS COMPETANT, IS BECAUSE HE TALKS A GOOD GAME!

      • Smilee

        angel,

        SUNDAY NIGHT’S PASSAGE OF THE HEALTH CARE LOOKED LIKE A LOT MORE THAN JUST TALK, HE KICKED A LOT OF BUTTS THAT NIGHT, ONLY TWO MONTHS AGO THE REPUBLICANS WERE CROWING HEALTH CARE WAS DEAD AND OBAMA HAD MET HIS WATERLOO, DO NOT EVER UNDERSTATE THIS PRESIDENT HE IS GOOD AT A LOT OF THINGS BESIDES TALKING, ESPECIALLY OUTFOXING CONSERVATIVES

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          iT’S ALL WIN OR LOSE WITH YOU LIBS, SAY OR DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE FOR A CHANGE.

          • Smilee

            JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE IT AND SAY IT IS NOT CONSTRUCTIVE DOES NOT MEAN IT ISN’T CONSTRUCTIVE, ON THE OTHER HAND IF YOU DO NOT WIN IT DEFINITELY IS NOT CONSTRUCTIVE AS THE REPUBLICANS FOUND OUT DESPITE THEIR BEST EFFORTS

        • libertytrain

          Smilee – you do refer to “AND OBAMA HAD MET HIS WATERLOO” – you are correct in one thing – he does have a Napoleon complex -

        • momof4

          Obamas win is America’s loss,how sad. But Libs don’t care as long as they get theirs.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Mom of 4, OH, Don’t worry the Liberals are gonna get theirs, come November!

          • Smilee

            DREAM ON ANGEL, BY NOVEMBER THE REPUBLICANS WILL AGAIN DISCOVER THEY AER ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THIS ISSUE ESPECIALLY IF BY THEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DISCOVER THIS IS WHAT THEY WANTED ALL ALONG AS BY THEN MOST WILL KNOW THE TRUTH AND WILL PUNISH THE REPUBLICANS FOR ALL THESE DISTORTIONS AND LIES

          • eyeswideopen

            Momof4, are you aware that Bristol Palin is getting government funded healthcare for her son? Since her family is 1/16 Native Indian, they have him enrolled in the IHS plan for the Curyung Tribal Council/Bristol Bay Native Assoc. The Indian Health Services and Alaska Native Medical Ctr is funded by the Federal Government Department of Health & Human Services. So, it’s ok that Sarah’s grandson receives socialized healthcare paid for by my tax dollars, but the grandmother is out there bashing government funded healthcare. What would consititute hypocrisy to you people? I am sure soon as she finally decides to go to a community college, she will also get a scholarship paid for with goernment tax money. Wanna Bet??

          • JeffH

            Gee whiz size 15EEEE mouth, again you come out of space with the “Bristol Palin” remark. 1/16th Indian? Thanks for all of your worthless information as you are the only one focused on “Bristol Palin”. Go back to your National Inquirer or TMZ and bring us back some more trash talk. Have you ever written Sean Penn to thank him for supporting Hugo? If not, you really should ’cause you’re like two peas in a pod!

        • JeffH

          I would guess you could say that Obama’s upbringing and education succeded into making him the man he is today.
          Socialism, Marxism, Communism & Obama.
          Does Barack Obama Believe in Socialism, Marxism, and Communism? Does “CHANGE” represent Barack Obama’s long term goal of “ISM” for the US? Our Future? Obama’s Father Wrote About Socialism. Obama’s Mother Was a “Communist Sympathizer”. Obama’s Parents Met in a Russian Class (Back then it was the Communist USSR). Obama’s Teen Mentor was Frank Marshall Davis (a known CPUSA member). Obama’s Brother Roy and Cousin Odinga are Marxists. Obama Attended Socialist Conferences at Cooper Union. Nine years before Palmer picked Obama to be her successor, she was the only African-American journalist to travel to the Soviet Union to attend the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Obama’s Run for the Illinois State Senate was Launched by a Fundraiser Organized at Bill Ayers’ and Bernardine Dorhn’s Chicago Home . Obama Had a Close Relationship with the “Anti-Capitalist” Group ACORN. Obama Attended Several Meetings with the Democratic Socialists in Chicago and Was even Endorsed by Them. Obama Endorsed Openly Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders . Many Obama Supporters Idolize Che Guervara. The Communist Party USA Endorsed Obama. Obama’s Church is Rooted in Liberation Theology which is Rooted in Marxism.

          “It’s because you have an obligation to yourself. Because our individual salvation depends on collective salvation.” – Barack Obama

          “The great task before our founders was putting into practice the ideal that government could simultaneously serve liberty and advance the common good. and Government, he believed, had an important role to play in advancing our common prosperity.” – Barack Obama

          Collective? Common prosperity? “the ultimate goal of socialism is common prosperity” Source: Yang Chungui, The Marxist

          “I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.” – Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)

          “Political discussions, the kind at Occidental had once seemed so intense and purposeful, came to take on the flavor of the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union” – Barack Obama (Dreams of My Father)
          http://obamaism.blogspot.com/

          • JeffH

            Who Is Behind Barack Obama’s Rise to Stardom? Is Barack Obama the product of a vast socialist conspiracy designed to undermine the fundamental tenets established by our Founding Fathers, all bankrolled and organized by elite financiers? The answer is unequivocally yes.
            http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/behind_barack_obama_188.html

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Jeffh,someone else posted a link for that on here, it was infomative as hell and eye opening,thats why I like it here, there is always something to learn.

          • Smilee

            ANOTHER FAR RIGHT RADICAL PROPAGANDA SITE, FULL OF LIES, TYPICAL FOR THEM

          • JeffH

            Well then, prove me wrong…we can all call each other liars, but what the heck. There is so much propaganda on Obama I just have a field day going thru it all. Like I said, prove me wrong, but you can’t so I’ll settle for being called a liar although you can’t prove it.

          • JeffH

            Oh Smilee, the socialist connections of Obama and the Democratic Party have certainly not been featured in the Washington Post columns of Harold Meyerson, who happens not only to be a member but a vice-chair of the DSA.
            Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.
            One of Obama’s early mentors in the Alinsky method was Mike Kruglik, who had this to say to an Ryan Lizza of The New Republic, about Obama:

            “He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better.”
            The agitator’s job, according to Alinsky, is first to bring folks to the “realization” that they are indeed miserable, that their misery is the fault of unresponsive governments or greedy corporations, then help them to bond together to demand what they deserve, and to make such an almighty stink that the dastardly governments and corporations will see imminent “self-interest” in granting whatever it is that will cause the harassment to cease.

          • JeffH

            For Clinton and Obama, a Common Ideological Touchstone.
            CHICAGO — The job offer to “Miss Hillary Rodham, Wellesley College” was dated Oct. 25, 1968, and signed by Saul D. Alinsky, the charismatic community organizer who believed that the urban poor could become their own best advocates in a world that largely ignored them.
            Seventeen years later, another young honor student was offered a job as an organizer in Chicago. By then, Alinsky had died, but a group of his disciples hired Barack Obama, a 23-year-old Columbia University graduate, to organize black residents on the South Side, while learning and applying Alinsky’s philosophy of street-level democracy. The recruiter called the $13,000-a-year job “very romantic, until you do it.”
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/24/AR2007032401152.html

          • JeffH

            angel-wanna-be, it was more than likely me. I have an absessed tooth about letting everyone know who he is, and I continue to search for more. It seems that some new bit of information on this destructive anti-American traitor is available for viewing every week. Call it a labor of love.
            Plus, it pisses of the sheeple!

  • K. Murray

    It amazes me that the conservatives have forgotten that in the summer and fall of 2009 54%-60% (depending on the poll) of Americans polled wanted health care reform with a public option. When the Republicans made it clear they would do everything possible to block that, the Democrats tried to compromise with a healthcare reform bill that did not have a public option. The Republicans were still the party of “NO.” In an attempt to work with the Republicans the Democrats ended up with a bill that most Americans polled did not want!

    My hope is that this bill can be the spring board from which the American people get what they want – a public option – which all other Western European countries, Japan and Canada manage to provide for their citizens!!

    • denniso

      Most ‘conservatives’ don’t have bad memories about the past process and early polls…they’re mostly hypocrites whose only intention is to stop any healthcare reform at any cost and to keep the $$ from the industry flowing into their campaign coffers.
      This bill has plenty of flaws,but it is a beginning,after a century of trying,starting w/ Teddy Roosevelt. W/ any luck and maybe support from the few sane Repubs in the near future,the bill will truly become one that works and places us in the modern world w/ every other wealthy western country in the world.

      • American

        By “every other wealthy western country in the world” are you referring to Canada or Mexico? You’re showing your ignorance. Mexico is a poor and powerless county whose own citizens will go to any lengths necessary to get out, including the risk of dying just trying to get into the U.S. Canada has a socialist healthcare system. I have a friend who lives there who tells me she has to wait months for a doctor’s appointment and then doesn’t get the care she needs. She has come back home to get healthcare when necessary but won’t be doing that anymore. You people amaze me.

        • denniso

          American, can you not read or are you just trying to show YOUR ignorance? I said, every WEALTHY western country…that does not include Mexico…

          • momof4

            See what I mean by bitchy!!!

          • JeffH

            “civility”

          • http://Don'thaveone Sally

            Again, Denniso you have no idea what you are talking about. In Mexico anyone working can afford health insurance. Health insurace costs $30.00 a month for each which includes drugs, hospitals, doctors and dentists and doctors even make house calls WOOOOOWWWW. Most all Doctors speak English and have been trained in the states. Don’t need a perscription for most mediciens either, just go to the Pharmacia and pick up. Mind you, these are the same drugs you are being overcharged for here in the States from the same companies. Can you figure that. Cost of living per month to live in Mexico in beautiful homes with high speed internet, HD TV coverage a Wallmart right down the street, fresh produce in the market and one of the areas that has the most desireable climate in the world – there are only 2 places – This place in Mexico and the other in Kenya – Now which one would you rather live in????? For a cost of $220.30 per month, you get main service once a week, laundry service once a week, car insurance, medical and dental insurance, high speed internet, electric, gas for cooking, telephone cable TV This figure includes evything with the exception of rent (if you don’t own your own home), food, and gas for your car. Right at the moment, gas is 1.89 per gallon. I could go on about Canadian Health care, etc., what they have to pay in taxes and value added taxes etc etc etc. but I won’t because you Libs are too stupid to face reality. Since you people want this, fine you pay for it, and exempt Republicans and Independents who didn’t want it like the Amish, Muslim’s and Congress are exempt.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          Liberals have selective hearing and reading!

          • Mathmn

            and right wingers have a monopoly on patriotism and truth…. yeah right

        • eyeswideopen

          American, nope, you are ignorant of Mexico’s standing in the world. It has the 11th largest economy and will have total Universal Healthcare by 2011. As ususal you conseratives make stupid statements without doing any research. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico
          By the way, the richest man in the world in a Mexcian. Since they did market reforms in 1995 and 2001, they didn’t have the corruption in their market place that we did.

          • Jana

            eyes, again you don’t know what you are talking about. you don’t even know all of the corruption that goes on in Mexico. It is bribes and more bribes.

        • who cares

          American, I live in the United States of America. to day is 12/30/10 i have two appointment 1st 03/03/11 2nd 04/04/11 thats three and four months away. the one before i’d had to wait nine months for the appoinment. They will take me before my appointment But under emergency. Thats the problem with you wing nut arguments are base on lie’s should i say passing right wing media (FOX) fault’s info.

      • zack

        denniso you surely meant hipo-cratics didn’t you. I know you don’t know how to spell to well

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      READ UP ON INGRIDS POST, SHE SAYS SHE IS FROM BELIGUM, SHE HOW WELL IT’S WORKING OUT FOR THEM!

    • Joe H.

      K.murray,
      Hope you are ready to pay the taxes connected to this monstrosity!! Or are you a welfare beneficiary???

  • RAT

    Did anyone else notice that GE has been running a commercial on FOX touting Reagan as their past leader? Is this their way of running away from their ties to Obama and MSNBC?

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      YEAH, I SAW IT A COUPLE TIMES__WE NEED ANOTHER REAGAN!__WHAT AN AMERICAN!

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        I say again, WE NEED ANOTHER REAGAN!

        • Smilee

          SO HE CAN FINNISH THE JOG OF DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY WHICH JOB HE STARTED AND DID NOT FINNISH, AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU ANGEL WANT TO FINNISH FOR HIM, YOU KNOW NOT WHAT YOU ARE DOING

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            YOU SAY WHAT?, MY EARS ARE CLOSED, I SAID, WE NEED ANOTHER REAGAN!

          • Jana

            Angel, Amen , amen.

            Remember momof4′s advice instead of calling them a bad name put Pelosi in their. So Smilee is a Pelosi head.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Jana, yeah that was good advic from momof4!__I still like the pile of Pelosi though__Can I get a visual on that?

          • eyeswideopen

            Smilee, they don’t read, so they don’t know that the world’s economists have decided that our downturn started with Reagan’s economic policies. Even the guru from Cato Institute and Mises, those two organizations that DaveH refers us too, made this review of Reagan and his economics.
            http://mises.org/daily/1544

            Sure am glad that Dave has me reading those conservative sites. lol

    • tedcrawford

      No. They just decided to advertize on a network that had a rateing higher than the Cartoon Channel!

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      RAT,

      Probably! I know I won’t buy another GE product (and have not for at least 10 years).

      Fed Up Gal

  • American

    Lulu, I don’t think anyone will argue the fact that something needs to be done about the cost of healthcare in this country. However, more than 3/4ths of us also realize that this new bill doesn’t take care of the problem You said no one would give your son insurance because of his pre-exitsing condition yet you said you were able to get it through your own policy. Therefore, he has insurance and I don’t see the problem. If it’s the cost of his policy that’s the problem I can understand that. Think about this: if his policy is almost unaffordable now, how much will it cost you in increased taxes to keep him covered? Much more under this “reform”. How about the fact that the small businesses will suffer because they are required to pay for insurance for their employees or face huge fines? Either way it’s going to cost them big time. What happens then? They have to lay off some employees to cover costs. Those employees will go on unemployment insurance (rightfully) but will have less money to go out and spend on things that they not only want but need. The stores make less money so they charge higher prices which then less of us will be able to afford. They will then have to lay off employees which will excacerbate the problem. It’s a domino effect, a vicious cycle. What about people like me who can’t afford insurance (I also have a child w/out insurance)? The government wants to tell me in this new law that since I can’t afford to buy a policy I have to pay a huge fine I can’t afford. Where is the common sense in that? Then there’s the fact that I will also now have to pay higher taxes to keep this law working. I’m a whole lot worse off now than I was. My son and I only go to the doctor when absolutely necessary and buy generic drugs from Wal-mart for a cheap price. We don’t go to the hospital every time we have a sniffle like most non-productive citizens to get free healthcare because we know we won’t pay it back which drives up the cost again. Now, after the new costs to me I won’t even be able to afford to go when I have to. This puts me at risk of not being able to pay my mortgage (barely able to now) but I guess that’s okay because I know that money went to pay for Viagra for convicted child molestors and rapists (read the bill). I can’t for the life of me understand how people can so passionately defend legislation they know nothing about. There are ways that we really can fix the problem yet no one in Washington wants to hear them because they adversely effect their agenda which is to make us completely dependent on big government, ruin this country and “change” it into something else (read socialism). Republicans had great ideas that would not only bring downs costs but help the economy at the same time but they were shot down because they weren’t what mr. obama wants and in his infinite arrogance he acted like a big ol’ spoiled brat and said it was his way or nothing. BTW, I’m not going to even get into the fact that almost everything about this “reform” is illegal according to the U. S. Constitution – the law of the land – which is why 14 states have already filed lawsuits and another 15 are working on them! What most people don’t understand, or don’t know, is that this fiasco is only one piece of the puzzle. There is a whole lot more going on in the “big government” that, all together, will cost us all of our freedoms and liberties. People want to say this isn’t about party lines but it is. The leftist party wants us to “progress” into a socialist European-like state and the right wants to keep our constitution and our legal right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in tact.

    • Joe H.

      American,
      right before it passed the poll said that 75% of the voting public wanted them to start over from scratch. All these libbies N progressives want to forget that!!!

      • Smilee

        IN YOUR DREAMS JOE

      • Jana

        JoeH, You are right. That is exactly what the polls showed.

    • eyeswideopen

      American, show us some links that give the republican ideas. Would love to see it. Don’t bother referencing the Ryan Roadmap,, as the CBo and GAO have already debunked it as not cost effective and would only cover 3 million. Come On am so waiting to hear those ideas.

  • EltonJ

    The Bible supports the Law of Consecration; not the Law of Communism. The Law of Consecration is a Law that works on a voluntary means. Moses tried the Law of Consecration — essentially you gave your money to the Church (not the Government).

    Jesus Christ said you give your money to the Church, not to Caesar. He said: “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.” Peter and the other Disciples tried the Law of Consecration. Joseph Smith tried the Law of Consecration. In all the times it was tried, except twice in the Ancient Past, it depended on the Will of the People to give their surplus to the Church. However, in every era it was tried the Law of Consecration failed because the people weren’t ready to live it.

    After that, the people turned to the Law of Tithing, which is simple– you just give 10% of what you earn to the Church. NOT TO THE GOVERNMENT! The Bible never does say, in one jot or tittle, to give your money to the Government. It explains that you give your surplus to the poor, but never ever to the Government.

    The Bible condemns kings, dictators and big government. Read 1st and 2nd Samuel about Saul and David. The Israelites wanted a mortal king. They rejected their True King (Yahweh/Yeshua) for a mortal King. Yahweh gave them King Saul at first, then the Davidic Line of Kings.

    Parallel this with America. America’s one True King is Yeshua Ha-Mashiach (Jesus Christ). Yeshua gave us a Republic so that we can be a single Nation under Him. However, the Progressives rejected Yeshua as their King and want to set themselves up as Kings of the People. They have manipulated everyone for a 100 years since until the People like American Liberal want governments like the other Nations. “Give us Free Access to Healthcare!”

    Just as the Ancient Israelites of Samuel’s time, we have rejected Yeshua Ha-Mashiach as our King and we have rejected our Republic so we can be like the Other Nations. We symbolically did this by electing Communist Revolutionaries into our Congress and into our Presidency. In turn, the presidents has appointed Communist Revolutionaries into the Supreme Court. We have rejected our King and our Republic by letting them pass Obamacare. As a result, America as a whole is “whoring after other gods.” We have shown that we want to be like the other nations in building a collective Utopia that does not Acknowledge Yeshua Ha-Mashiach or His Plans for making America great.

    Glenn Beck has recently asked, pleaded, with everyone who is of faith NOT to turn this second Revolution into a shooting war. We can still civilly disobey the Government and Obama. But, never once, should we throw bombs at these Revolutionaries. We will fight this war at the polls and through tea party demonstrations, but we can’t let this devolve into a shooting war.

    Assassinating the President is what these Revolutionaries want! They want violence in the streets so that they can complete their plans. Let Yeshua Ha-Mashiach fight this War for us while we do what we can peacefully.

    And let the record be set straight: Yeshua Ha-Mashiach (Jesus Christ) has never, ever supported Communism.

    • denniso

      You clearly don’t know what a communist is…and,if Jesus was anything,he was at least a liberal(the rich should give away their wealth) and more likely would be a socialist in todays world…he sure as hell wouldn’t be seen w/ the modern ‘conservative’ party that preaches greed as a public good.

      • American

        I see greed as axpecting to get something for free…free healthcare for everyone! Greed is the reason why unions have forced this economy to almost shut down. Greed is what went on these last few weeks when democrats exchanged their votes for whatever bone obama threw them. Greed is what has hurt us when lobbyists threw money to politicians for their votes. Greed has been the basis for all the wrong-doing in Washington. Greed has brought this country to it’s knees by way of crooked politicians accepting money for doing the wrong thing (check out the ration of dems vs. repubs). Greed is what says “my way or the highway” instead of “what do the the majority of people want?” You keep lashing out and blaming the wrong people. The majority of us are smart enough to see how wrong this reform is and how badly the country is suffering at the hands of democrats. Keywords: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mack, NAFTA (what have these done to our country and which party played a role in their demise?)

      • American

        P.S. You must not know what a communist is either. Read your history book and maybe you’ll have a better understanding. And if you think Jesus would be a liberal in today’s world then you also need to read or Bible or borrow one from somebody. Jesus would not say it’s okay to kill babies that He created nor would he promote the worshipping of false gods such as your “messiah” who’s title is president. You obviously know no more about Christianity than you do about politics. You should pick a topic that you actually have some knowledge on to talk about.

        • denniso

          Ameri…so your Jesus would have supported a preemptive invasion of Iraq that has killed a couple hundred thousand innocents? Your Jesus would allow 20,000 Americans to die every yr for lack of healthcare?
          Your Jesus would allow the richest 2% in this country to own 50% of the entire wealth of the country? Your Jesus would allow living,breathing, babies to live in squalor and poverty and face a deadend future before thay can even think for themselves,while people like Gates,Oprah,Turner,Forbes,Cheny and millions more can buy their own islands or stay a weekend in a resort that costs $10,000 a night?

          Sorry guy, but that is not Jesus you’re talking about or pretending to love…that looks more like the ‘devil’ to me.

          • tedcrawford

            I realize that Jesus wasn’t around yet but, the God of the bible sent the Isrealites into the promise land with the mandate to wipe-out a whole nation of people! They were to kill every living thing and destroy or bury anything of value! God, appearently, recognized the need for peeemptive action! Read the whole book, not just selected parts if you want a complete understanding of his intent!

          • Jana

            den, you keep claiming the lie that we went into Iraq and killed over a hundred thousand innocents.
            That is a lie.
            I also find it odd that you claim to have been raised with the Bible, and you know the Jesus of the Bible. But by your very words we know you, and your fruit is sour, you produce very bitter and unpalatable fruit.
            You can lie to the people, but you cannot lie to God. Remember, with the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh. You may need a change of heart.

          • Joe H.

            Jana,
            They say anywhere from a hundredthousand to one million. the reason for this is ,again, they BLAME BUSH for the ones killed by AQ!!!! They gotta blame him for the weather and the climate, and everything in between!!!

          • denniso

            Tedcrawford…don’t you realize that Christians are supposed to follow Jesus? The God of the old testament is the vengeful and demanding God…Jesus brought peace,love and tolerance to the world…
            Jesus said,turn the other cheek…You want to defend preemptive war, I don’t think that is what Jesus would do.

        • Retired Marine

          Maybe you should go back and read the bible about Jesus’ time. He knew squalor and unfair government taxes very well. There were wars. God helped many of his followers defeat whole armies. He did not however demand you give everything to the government. He did want people to help others out of the kindness of their own hearts. Free will. Not slavery and demands.

          • denniso

            Sorry, but I was raised on the bible…I know the Jesus in the bible…do you??
            Who is trying to make you ‘give everything you make to the gov’t'???
            We pay a percentage of income in taxes,and for most working people,it’s not a large percentage. You rightwingers look like blatant fools when you resort to such hyperbole and exageration when you make your feeble attempts at debate.

          • Joe H.

            dennislobber,
            Wait till the “tax” for this comes down the pike then tell me it’s not much!! If you have a brain, give it back to who it belongs to, you don’t know how to use it!!!! besides theft isn’t legal!!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Theft is only legal if Liberals/Progressives do it, C’mon now!___LOL

          • eyeswideopen

            Retired, “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s and unto God the things that are God’s”. Matthew 22:21. End of story.

          • Lewis Munn

            I am not sure why, but so many people talk of the Bible as wrong, or of those who follow the Bible as evil.

            When you try to pin them down, they either waffle, or try to quote what some other person said, or select one verse which usually is on a different subject and out of context.

            “And Judas hanged himself. Go thou and do likewise. And whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it quickly.”

            Yes, it IS in the Bible. Just slight touchup editing!

            Alot of the time they choose to claim the history of what happened was that of an evil god who was doing evil things, And claim Christians do the same.

            The term “Christian” only properly refers to someone following the commands of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Including ‘thou shalt love the Lord your God with ALL you heart, soul, mind, and spirit, and your neighbor as yourself’.

            Nothing more or less. So when you want to criticize a “Christian” you need to check to see if he does just that. If not, you may criticize him as a person, but he is NOT a Christian, and you are speaking lies if you call him such. He is lying if he calls himself “Christian” and does not live it.

            Christians can fall short, but they also are open to God’s criticism, and that may come through men. But if you are going to criticize, be sure of your attitude being to help, and not to drag down.

            Remember when you point a finger, you have 3 pointing back at you!

      • EltonJ

        A communist wants to force you to live as a good person, according to his definition. A communist *COMMANDS* people how to live and where to live, what to worship, how to pray, and how to heal. Also, they FORCE you to give up your money to the government.

        A person who supports the Law of Consecration *INVITES* people to worship as they wish, to give their money to the Church, to live how they please, to pursue happiness how they please.

        The difference between a Communist and an a Consecrationalist is simple: the words Command and Invite. One is about External Power — Communism is all about External Power. The other is about Internal Power.

        People who use External Power force their constituents go their way. They use Force to get what they want — externalizing and expending their power. As a result, they are acting against certain Laws of Physics (the Laws of Attraction and the Harvest).

        People who use Internal Power invite their constituents to go their way. They do it by Invitation; they internalize their power and work with these same natural Laws in order to get the result they desire. People who take advantage of these Laws by working with them are often able to get everything they desire without evil consequences.

        A communist wants power over others. A consecrationalist does not want power over others. Get the picture?

        • denniso

          You need to look up the derivation of ‘communist’…the word comes from communal or community…I know,those are pretty frightening thoughts to people like you…god forbid that we should think about being a community…

          • EltonJ

            you should look up the Law of Attraction and the Harvest and what they would do for you. What has History had taught us here in America that Communism isn’t good for us as an Economic System because it can be too easily abused by those in power.

            If you really want Communism to work, join the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and pay the surplus of what you make into your Fast Offering. Encourage your fellow saints to do the same and let the Church redistribute the wealth the needy.

            However, if you rather give all your money to a Government we have no reason of trusting to be trust worthy, I won’t stand in your way.

          • momof4

            Denniso,
            Are you a communist?

          • denniso

            Mom…no, are you a nazi?

          • JeffH

            Is Nazi Pelosi a communist?

          • zack

            I think Pelosimino is denniso’s mommy. They act a lot alike.

      • tedcrawford

        The thing that bothers me about all those who claim Jesus was so poor and scorned money so bad is this, if that’s true, why in the world did he feel the need to have a treasurer?

    • eyeswideopen

      Elton, dude, hate to inform you of this facts, but God is not mention at all in our Constitution. Read it. Stop trying to rewrite our history. Christians don’t need to stoop to that level. Be proud of how our religion has grown over time, but don’t try and manipulate the public into believing that it was written under Judeo-Christian ideogoly. It wasn’t and no documents refer to Jesus either. Our founding fathers were escaping tryanny from religion, they didn’t found a national religion for that very reason. Get educated on our history.

  • American liberal

    It must be very painful for all you rightwing Racist & bigots to see a black president and woman speaker of the house…

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      AM__OH HARRIET__YOU AGAIN?

    • RAT

      Here we go again, everyone. Can’t win the argument so they resort to name calling again. Their favorite one since 2008 is the R word.

      • Smilee

        LIKE IT OR NOT WE DO HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT AND FEMALE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS NOT RACIST JUST A FACT, THE FUNNY PART IS THAT A BLACK WAN AND A WOMAN PASSED THE MOST SWEEPING LEGISLATION IN A HALF CENTURY AND ALL THOSE CONSERVATIVES HAD 12 YEARS OF CONTROL AND ONLY SAT ON THEIR HAND, WHY ARE THEY NOW CALLED THE PARTY OF NO!! IT WAS THEM THAT MET THEIR WATERLOO THIS WEEK AFTER PROMISING OBAMA HIS, AN UTTER FAILURE ON THEIR PART.

        • libertytrain

          Smilee – I have no problem with a 1/2 black or totally black president or a woman speaker of the house – the problem is this president and this woman.

        • Joe H.

          he’s black?!?!?! I thought he was Red!!!

          • Smilee

            WOW! NO BRAIN AND COLOR BLIND

          • Joe H.

            BY gosh, smilee for once you got my point, although it was by accident!!! Yes, I’m color blind when it comes to this man!!! i don’t care if he’s is skybluepink!!! He is not what we as a nation need!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Smilee, they wanted more of the Bush policies and ideologies that have crippled this nation. Maybe we should have let them take us into another depression, so they would have admitted what their policies have done. Then maybe changes could have taken place. They can’t even grasp that the Bush tax cuts have helped cause this horrible problem. The indoctrination of the right wing authoritarians continues and is actually pretty smart as it keys in on the fact that they are afraid of losing their government socialized medicare program. Just wait and see how they feel when people like Rubio want to stop letting people get it at 65. Then all hell will break out.

          • zack

            eyes oh I got some last night

      • michael

        See the problem is we HAVE won the arguement, Healthcare passed and with the threats from the idiots in the tea part causing more Independents into our corner as recent polls suggest It is not likely we will lose the Majority in 2010. So quit [offensive word removed] and moaning youa all lost now deal with it.

        • RAT

          I think I agree with you. WE (all Americans) lost. You’re right!!

          • Smilee

            SPIN, SPIN, SPIN, THAT’S NOT WHAT HE SAID

        • RAT

          Oh, and again with the namecalling.

          • http://aol Don

            RAT – this whole web site is full of name calling by everyone. I can’t believe you don’t see this.

          • RAT

            Don,
            I think I agree with you. Guess I didn’t notice earlier. Sorry bout that. I think the problem is that we have become a nation of extreme POLITICIANS, while we, the people, are a nation of middle of the roads. As long as we keep electing such extreme politicians who actually represent the minority of the whole, our nation will continue to be divided. We ned to begin electing politicians that are more representative of the majority of the people who will stop pitting us against each other. We are a nation of individuals who want to achieve common ground solutions, not a nation of groups and subgroups. Until that happens, I’m afraid there will be this on going bickering and name calling. One thing is for certain, we need to take a step back and re-evaluate who represents us.

    • momof4

      Lib,
      You are one sick puppy!!!

      • http://aol Don

        See RAT – more name calling. Mom is pretty good at it.

        • momof4

          Don,

          Thanks, but I am not half as good as American Lib or Michael or Eyes
          or Denniso or Radio oh yes, I can’t forget Smilee. Now, they are the best at name calling.
          They will always be sure to tell you what a scum you are or how ignorant you are or how greedy you are. Yup they are the best. As for me no more name calling I am going to behave myself.

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      American Liberal,

      Nope…not at all. I don’t have a problem with blacks or with women….I am at least one of them…..I do however, have a major problem with liers, dictators and thieves….no matter their color or gender.

      Fed Up Gal

    • Lewis Munn

      I am a conservative, and I do not mind blacks, reds, yellow, males, or females. I think they can improve the government by their differing biological outlooks and different training.

      What I object to is having laws passed by force and subtrifuge that are contrary to maximizing freedom, or for afflicting particular groups. And the government should not force me to care as they want for others.

      When Mr Obama wants me to give 10% of my income so poor people can have needed medical care, first HE needs to be doing just that, showing how it works to benefit him and me too.

      Pushing what you will not do yourself on others is wrong, and generates resistance, and can break a country into pieces. It is NOT an example of leadership, but of hypocrisy.

  • Bob Wire

    Ha he ~ just love IT !!

    interesting thing about the people that offer opposition to this ~

    they love to call people names! like children in a school yard. Nanny nanny poo poo! and can’t articulate their displeasure without using the word liberal or progressive.

    Example;Quote

    “You are a dumb f***, just wait till you or your loved ones are denied lifesaving medicines or procedures because of rationing or they or you are too old. Yep ObamaCare Works fool!!! and remember that the rich creates jobs and careers, govt creates nothing except little piglets sucking on the government teat, which is about to go dry real soon, I doubt if you even know what a teat is.

    I AM A CONSERVATIVE, FREEDOM LOVING CAPITALIST AND DAMN PROUD OF IT, next question!!! ”

    I’m a conservative as well, but I don’t work for an insurance company or the government!

    and “all” American’s have a value to me, not just some ~ America’s wealth is her people.

    I don’t require your agreement but I do require you to be civil in the defeat of your ideas. If you choice to not ~ there are rules that can be applied and you can be subjected to your rights accorded to you under law.

    That we see a fed frenzy ground swell of some noisy 15 to 17 million American citizen does not a majority make. Considering there are 327 million people in America today.

    That these “obstructionist” all eat the same thing out of the same bucket and like to gather into small crowd accepting no descending voice, thinking they are somehow are majority is easy enough to understand. Or attempting to claim some majority by poll numbers! When did poll numbers ever count as a vote on the house floor?

    These no need of continuing any discussion with people that “make things up” or wanting to change rules to serve them while they enjoyed us abiding by them when it served THEM.

    Down your throats ?, Hmm ? I was thinking more in the line of up your _____s.

    I’m just liking this too much. ~ Maybe you can start a war! ~ that’s what your supreme leaders, political entertainers Rush and Beck as calling for!

    Just jump out there real quick and show us what a foolish person looks like wearing their a–hole for a hat band.

    Be a MAN! show Glen & Beck you are a loyal puppet and willing to sacrifice yourself for Special Interest! Prove to Special Interest that all the money they’ve spent hasn’t been a total loss.

    • tedcrawford

      You, sir, are no conservative!

      • http://aol Don

        but he does have a sense of humor.

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      Bob Wire,

      All along…while you don’t seem to mention the nasty comments and name calling from your PLLL fan clubmates. Hmmmmm….so much for the change Obama ran on. Guess it’s only a select change agenda.

      Fed Up Gal

  • http://none Joe Skelton

    I believe that we lost the battle on health care reform, but we have not lost the war. I also believe that if each and every one of us would get down on our knees and pray for our country and ask God back into our homes,schools and country, we will overcome this greedy, power-hungry government. Our freedoms were endowed by our Creator and not by the government. We the People are the government and with the help of God, we can and will prevail!!!

    • denniso

      Your ‘we the people’ represent only about 35% of the country. We, the majority of the people want healthcare for all ,that doesn’t bankrupt families and allow 20,000 people a year to die from lack of access to a doctor. We the people won the past 2 elections and got rid of the dumbest and most destructive Prez in our history.

      Our freedoms were written into the constitution by real people(men only of course back then),not anyones god,allah or other. People have to fight daily for those freedoms against corporate powerbrokers and not leave it up to someone’s idea of ‘god’…

      • Joe H.

        I guess we’ll see in November won’t we dennislobber???

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      HE IS THE ANSWER JOE, BUT CHRISTIAN FAITH, THE ONE THAT DROVE OUR FOUNDERS, NOW, IS BEING DRIVEN UNDER GROUND, IT’S OUR JOB TO KEEP IT ALIVE!__

      • Smilee

        BULL

        HE GAVE US FREE CHOICE AND THE VAST MAJORITY TODAY SEEM TO CHOOSE TO IGNORE HIM, THIS FREE CHOICE IS AN INDIVIDUAL THING AND THE RESULTS YOU CITE HAVE MADE US WHAT WE ARE AS A COUNTRY TODAY. HE CALLS US TO WITNESS FOR HIM NOT TO BE HIS JUDGE, JURY OR EXECUTIONER AS SO MANY ON HERE SEEM HELL BENT TO DO. GOD DOES NOT NEED THE LAW OF MAN TO ENFORCE HIS LAWS BUT CONSERVATIVES ARE DRIVEN TO DO JUST THAT, WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE THEY WILL HAVE FAILED. OBAMA IS AN ANSWER TO PRAY FOR MANY, WHAT IF THEY ARE RIGHT??

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          I’M SORRY SMILEE, OBAMA IS NOT THE MESSIAH AND I REFUSE TO BOW TO A MORTAL–I ONLY TO BOW TO GOD HIMSELF__

          • Smilee

            I GUESS YOU ARE UNABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OBAMA AND GOD, I SAID OBAMA WAS GOD’S ANSWER TO OUR PRAYS, I DID NOT SAY HE WAS GOD SO WHY DO YOU FEEL YOU MUST THEN WORSHIP HIM, WE WILL NOT, BUT WE DO THANK GOD AND WORSHIP GOD

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            YAWN, HO-HUM__

      • eyeswideopen

        angel, once again, I ask you to find the word God in the Constitution. Try as you may to rewrite history, it is not there. We were not founded under a Judeo-Chrisitan ideals. Our founding fathers didn’t create a national religion for a reason. Tyranny is what they were protecting us from. Stop trying to use that tripe, and be proud of how the Christian religion has grown without it being mandated.

        • Jana

          eyes,
          Romans 1:22
          Professing themselves to be wise they became fools.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            EWO, YOUR ONE OF THE ONES I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT__YOU PAY A LOT OF LIP SERVICE ASKING EVERY DAMN CONSERVATIVE ON HERE “SHOW ME THIS, WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT”__GET UP OFF FRIGGIN A$$ AND GO FIND THE INFO YOURSELF!___YOUR A SLEP!___TAKE YOUR DOLLIES AND GO FIND YOUR OWN INFO LIKE THE REST OF US!__SINCE YOUR A LIBERAL WHICH IS SUPPOSE TO MEAN AN OPEN MIND, OPEN IT FAR ENOUGH AND YA JUST MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING!

          • eyeswideopen

            angel, unlike you I have read the Constitution, God and Jesus, is not named anywhere in that document or the Amendents. You need to learn what is in it before you start spouting off.

      • eyeswideopen

        angel, thank God, our founding fathers knew there would people like you around 230years later, they did a fine job of protecting us from the likes of you. We don’t have a national religion, and we weren’t founded under God. Simple facts.

    • Smilee

      WE DID GET DOWN ON OUR KNEES AND PRAYED FOR HEALTH CARE REFORM AND HE DELIVERED US HEALTH CARE REFORM AND OBAMA, HALLELUJAH

      • michael

        I agree. It took 8 years but God Finally listened to our prayers.

        • tedcrawford

          One might want to be contemplative before prayer! Remember king midus

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            tedcrawford,

            So true. I believe it even says in the Bible…to make sure you really want something when you ask God for it.

            Fed Up Gal

      • zack

        Smilee who helped you up? Your Sister eyeswideopen you all sound just alike. Don’t know beans from horse turds

  • DESTRY RIDES AGAIN

    So, bho would like to cram obamacare down our throats, eh? He’d also force us to drink the Kool Aid, right? 0r else!! Yikes!! For him, ‘twould be just fine and dandy, okay?

    Thing is, he’d give the antidote to all 96% of The Black Voters (who voted for him) and also to 100% Muslim Voters (they being more loyal and all that jazz!!)in the form of financial renumeration. Leastwise, I’m willing to bet all my castles in Spain, duh!!!

    QUESTION: Is obama a genius whose Pay Grade is way, way above and beyond the salary scale of Albert Einstein?

    ANSWER: Maybe yes, maybe no.

    FOLLOW-UP QUESTION : Then how come obama wants to beat a dead horse?

    ANSWER: You tell me !!!!!

    We all know that in Russia, Communism is dead and buried. Yet, obama would like to dig up a dead Russian horse and bring the smelly carcass to America against the objections of the majority of Americans. Said he to Joe The Plumber “I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.” I LAUGHS ONLY !!! LOL !!!

    Seriously now, the Russians tried Communism as an economic system but gave up after 74 years of failure. Also, they were so traumatized by the brutality of Comrade Stalin (surf the internet and find that 20 million Russians WERE TERMINATED WITHOUT PREJUDICE by Comrade S.)

    Even so, I pray to GOD that Communism will never happen in The U.S. The very thought of this gives me the heebie-jeebies !!!! Will you pray with me?

    • JeffH

      DESTRY RIDES AGAIN…Audie Murphy…Destry…Jimmie Stewart

  • James 64

    Don’t be fooled! This is NOT about healthcare. It is about keeping the flow of illegal aliens for a life of no responsibility, and destroying what America is.
    Before congress works on providing real jobs they will give all illegals full amnesty and power to vote for……who else…the liberal democrats that gave them free everything! Of course this will destroy all private industry allowing the goverment to steamroll in and soon control EVERY Aspect of you life through a dictator.

    • denniso

      I have to wonder what lockup you’re writing this nonsense from??

      • Joe H.

        YOU are the one that came up with the idea of lock-up. they did say they were going to let fellons and prisoners vote!! I guess they’re letting you use computers now too!!!

  • Ann Amos

    Rave on you liberal dog turds some conservative cat will come along and bury you.

    • denniso

      Such a clear,educated, and adult point you make…

  • Merl Elton

    Unfortunately, the Republicans and conservatives have met their Waterloo. They have been taken to the woodshed every which way but loose; and their clocks have been cleaned. Any lawsuits filed will fall like bugs the windshield of this virtually unstoppable progressive polical machine. It is a shame but conservatives must admit their defeat; and strive to become more modern and marketable if they can ever hope to win again. The Dems next victory will be to declare Amnesty to the 12 million plus immigrants for votes and as a tax base to help cover the expense of HCR. So, there is no guarantee that the Reps will prevail in November. As we have just seen, the Dems are ingenious in promoting their agenda by any means necessary right or wrong. The Republics therefore must show how their plan will cover acceptance of patients with pre-existing conditions and chronic illnesses at less expense than the HCR bill. The Reps must show how their plan will save Americans tax dollars. The Reps must show they can bring back jobs; and restore individual pride liberty and independence; strengthen this nation and deal effectively with terrorism. They cannot get angry, violent, or shout racist ephitets. They must show wisdom, intelligence and restraint and more political savvy than their calculating, shrewd, and formidable opponents.

    • Joe H.

      As a tax base?!?!?! you don’t pay taxes on welfare!!!!

    • tedcrawford

      Probably intended that to be power base! It’s truly amazing how many of these progressives don’t realize they are about to become the sub-culture of the immagrant majoriety! It truly boggles the mind!

    • eyeswideopen

      Merl, please we beg you, if you are holding the answers for the repubs on healthcare, please share them. They had their chance and the CBO knocked it down. Please share more ideas if you know of any.

  • jpurry

    Makes my blood boil to hear them cry like little girls when they are scared! They want to see the people guilty of saying anything against them “in this democracy”! HA I didn’t see any prosecution of the elite that has robbed all of US illegaly! I mean ‘legally’, because that is how they get away with it. If they do it-it is legal. If you don’t like it-it is illegal!

  • Cella

    ILLEGAL ALIENS? MY GOD HOW STUPID ARE YOU PEOPLE? READING THIS CRAP BOGGLES MY MIND.

    • Joe H.

      Cella,
      Go back south of the border down Mexico way. Your homies are calling you back!!!! Mommacita wants a cook at home too!!

      • eyeswideopen

        Joe do you think we should grant amnesty like Reagan did for the 3.2 million during his reign??

        • who cares

          eyeswideopen, Reagan did not do it out of love for illegals But instead out of spite for the American worker. Just as Reagan did not liked unions then, GOP is agaisnt Unions now. They will not rest till every american is poor and out of work. till they destroy the middle class.

  • jpurry

    To finish a sentence in the last statement- they want to see the people guilty of this “prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law”
    Whaa Whaa

  • http://www.drjobs.us/ Physician

    Born and raised in a former communist country, now just socialist (like the rest of Europe) there is NO speech of our over-loved president that doesn’t remind me of my past. It is a curse, it is amazing haw Americans decided to destroy this FANTASTIC country. I understand, they want to slap Busch but why taking down the principals that built this society?

    • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

      Being young and healthy affects your point of view.

      This great country ranks 38th in quality of health care according to the World Health Organziation. This great country pays about 1/3 higher than the next country in terms of per capita for that low quality health care.

      The newest generation of kids will live shorter lives than their parents due to poor health regimen that includes a poor diet.

      What were you saying about how bad it is in the European Union?

      • Joe H.

        Gee, that’s strange. the life span has lengthened for each generation. Must be you are figuring lack of good medicine under Obummer care!!!

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          On an NBC or CNN piece on Thursday or Friday evening this week, there was a discussion that due to dietary habits of Americans, the children could be expected to not live as long as their parents.

          That is reflected in the manufacturing process with little or no regulation, the increased use of corn oil as a supplement in everything we eat that helps make us overweight and such techniques as the artificial chemical oils that fry potato chip, etc, in the manufacturing process.

          • Joe H.

            you know, I had an uncle that was way over weight and you’re right it probably did cause him to die early. At 92 years old!!!! Look at Euel Gibbons, he was skinny as a rail and ate only natural foods and he died at about 60 years old!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Radio, they are in denial about anything that effects the health of Americans. They can’t even admit we have an obesity problem here. Denial, denial, denial. The RWA’s only talk about a few items: abortion, guns, states rights, religion. They won’t take responsibilty for their childrens weight, are you kidding me? The only thing they want to take responsibility for is the founding of this country. When the facts prove them wrong on that, they just want to shoot you. lol

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            EWO, WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT OBESITY IN A TIME OF A RECESSION!-I’m so dang sick and tired of you Libs, over reacting to stuff that don’t matter, and you want even look twice at stuff within our reach to change, it’s ridiculous!._HEALTHCARE AND ENTITLEMENTS,CONTROL IS ALL YOU GUYS SPEW!___ If people want be fat, LET THEM!__What business is that of yours?__If you want to be a rail, then starve yourself to death!—I smoke, that’s not your problem, it’s mine!__You don’t have to like it!__ That’s half the problem, the lack of Jobs are still on the back burner!__We have healthcare, that did not need to be done tomorrow, Cap and Tax now__Amnesty next, and my God lest we forget about the dreaded Global Warming__if we’re suppose to burn up in 15 years, well then who the hell cares if anythings done about it?__Then firmly place your head between your legs and kiss your ass good-bye!! Global Warming is just another money making scam too!__ The only ones making any money is Washington, they have regulated and controlled everything for so long, they’ve forgotten ther real purpose, which is to keep us safe and uphold the constitution!
            GOD BLESS THE AMERICA WE USED TO KNOW!

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Euell Gibbins died of a ruptured aortic aneurism from Marfans syndrome, an inherited disorder that can vary from mild to severe.

            One of the great presidents of this country, Abraham Lincoln, very probably had Marfans syndrome and would have died from it before the end of his 2nd term in 1888 but for his assination by John Wilkes Booth, one of your right wing wing-nuts.

            It is not an adequate comparison. It is open to question if he probably lived longer because of his dietary regimen than he would have otherwise.

    • tedcrawford

      I think the best defination would probably be Decadence. They have been protected from the effects of their decisions for so long, they no longer possess the ability to think for themselves or deal with the results!

  • Merl Elton

    Right, it is digusting to watch these wimps scream and cry like little girls when their own tactics are used against them. Be careful though liberal progressive dems will try to kill you, by any means necessary, if you use their weapons and tactics against them. Some congress persons have reported that their families, pets, jobs, fortunes, careers, personal safety were threatened to get them to turn to yes. So the guilty thugs and creeps who accuse Tea Baggers and Republicans of being violent, lunatic, racist, killers have no legs to stand on. Keep your cool, act wisely, show how your plan is better for the nation and its people; how it will create wealth, strength, independence, and freedom, and compassion for those who are really suffering and needy, and you will prevail.

  • Merl Elton

    Although I don’t agree with Nancy, she is a good looking woman for her age who has kept her shape. Many men her age are overweight, bald, and have cancer.

    • EltonJ

      She still looks haggard to me. She can’t hide behind her Botox injections forever, I know the look in her eyes. She’s very, very unattractive to me. Ms. Clinton looks much much better than Nancy Pelosi.

      • Joe H.

        I think both of you need glasses or are almost blind from looking at both of them too much! If you look close at p-lousy’s chin, you will see her navel!!!

        • http://aol Don

          Joe, do you really think you will look good at 70? You will look as bad as your leaders such as McCain and Rush.

          • Joe H.

            Don,
            Yup, shes got the best face money can buy! Just like right now we got the best president money can buy!!! ACORN money, SOROS money, UNION money,and all those commies money!!!

        • JeffH

          That, coming from the immortal eyes with the size 15EEEE jammed deep in her throat. You are the fool that can’t fool anyone.

  • http://verizon kbab777

    MeteorLady, Hussein was elected because Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck was allowed to vote, the votes were as crooked as congress.

  • Merl Elton

    Those who cannot control themselves must have dictators to control them. So could this be a reason why so many blissfully ignorant, dumb, uneducated, complacent, easily manipulated people are warmly welcomed here? Yes, so they will vote for presidents who are dictators in disguise who can better control everyone.

  • http://edblalock@live.com ed blalock

    See if you can imagine this Picture.. Obama looking at the twin Towers He was probablly in Kenya at time. and saying I think I can do more damage to America than that and he has.. but he has awakened a sleeping Giant in the real American Patriots We have beaten every enwe have faced He can leave America and all of you non Americans .

    • denniso

      ed appears to be a fool and certainly not a patriot…more like a traitor…

      • tedcrawford

        I’d be real careful with that traitor label was I you. Some might look closer and see which of you more closely fit that label

      • JeffH

        dennisso, can’t you be more “civilized”? Yeh, right! NOT!

        • Jana

          JeffH and he claims to have been raised with the Bible. The Bible says by their fruits will you know them.
          Bitter ugly fruit. YUK

          • eyeswideopen

            Jana, you are right, and we certainly know all about you right wing authoritarians who want to deny people their freedoms.

          • JeffH

            Or how about you liberal socialist authoritarians? 15EEEE mouth has learned some new words, everyone brace yourself for another verbal onslaught of “right wing authoratarians”.

          • Jana

            JeffH,
            Its funny how these beeuuuteeful libs who wants to dictate to everyone calls us authoritarians. They come up with a new word and for some unknown reason, could be stupidity, could be ignorance, could even be as simple as refusing to see the truth, but whatever the reason is they forget that it applies to them. She thinks she is putting us down, but instead she is showing herself off for what she really is.
            Romans 1:22

  • Bob Wire

    The GOP use to solicit the deepest pockets and the brightest minds until Karl Rove came along. Now some of the more criminally brightest have learned to take the deepest pockets and solicit the simplistic minds finding them easy to convince and easier still to lead and do their bidding, having them to openly and willingly vote and act against their own self interest.

    I bet not one of you ‘obstructionist” have read an unfiltered bio on Karl Rove, Glen Beck, Richard Chaney, Rush Plum bob, or Ruppert Murdock.

    Do that for yourselves ! if you love America as you say you do, do it for America.

    • denniso

      It’s ironic, though I know that’s a difficult word for them,but the extreme rightwing is continuing to hurt the only party they have any support in,by becoming more radical and extreme they are scaring off all moderates and making themselves look like pure crazies…

      • Smilee

        TRUE, AND NOT BEYOND THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY THAT COME NOVEMBER THEY WILL THINK THIS DEFEAT ON HEALTH CARE WILL PALE BY COMPARISON

      • Norm

        denniso
        Yes, I can still remember a time when the Republican party made sense.
        Adopting the right wing ding philosophy of the three stooges(Rush, Sean, and Glenn) coupled with the extremist religious ideas of the late Falwell and Robertson can only lead to it’s own destruction.

        • JeffH

          The 3 stooges are a far better choice than the Marxist Brothers:
          Karl Obama
          Graucho Reid
          Zeppo Pelosi
          Harpo Biden
          Chico Gibbs

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JeffH, thats pretty funny__speaking of funny and it fits with this thread, Ted Nugent was just on with Neil Cavuto__You Talk About Passion for We The People and against the re-distribution of wealth and the healthcare bill___He was on Fire!

          • JeffH

            Nuge would solve our problems quickly. He doesn’t mince his words or play politics and speaks only in realities. May someday lead the NRA.

          • Joe H.

            JeffH
            you got two for one there. dont forget to spell that harpo backwards to see Obummers girlfriend!!!!

      • momof4

        Denniso,
        You should talk.

  • tbay

    I look at the way the gov’t handles the VA hospitals and I shudder. The care is terrible, the waits are ridiculous and the beaurocratic red tape is shameful. And these are for our HEROES that risked LIFE and LIMB and sacrificed their comfort and family time!! THey are consistently denied care due to $$$ and butt covering pencil pushing govt beaurocratic bookworms!! I have NEVER seen such blatant misinformation and shell gaming with a bill in my life! They postpone implementation and push off the costs so that is looks like it is paid for when it will create BILLIONS in the deficit. The only thing the left wants to grow is GOVT! Look at Europe for pete’s sake–their economies are DYING because of a giant, bloated and corrupt, self seeking GOVT that keeps giving itself MORE power by stealing (taxing to death) it’s constituents!!

    • George E

      Well said, Tbay.

  • Save America Susie

    Liberals is losing sight of the fact that we need to get back to the FOUNDING FATHERS and what they really believed. They are the roots of the Constitution. This HC BIll is unconstitutional. It forces people to buy goods and services against their will. Of Course America needs tort reform on Health Care, but NOT health care to the point of selling our souls! If it was truly based on freedom,Congress would make this ObamaCare optional. Right now it is forced. It’s the rape of America. Those that want it can have it! But those that don’t should be allowed to opt out! Doesn’t feel like freedom to me. I close with the quote from one of our great Presidents: “…Rightful Liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the EQUAL rights of others. I do not add ‘Within the law’ BECAUSE Law is often but a TYRANT’s WILL & ALWAYS so when it violates the rights of the Individual.”
    –Words of Pres. Thomas Jefferson.

    • denniso

      Probably the only constitutionaly suspect aspect of the bill is the mandate part…why don’t you ‘conservatives’ get together and go through the civilized process of challenging that in court…Quit w/ all the rest of the baloney…threats of revolution,violence,hate,etc. and get to work on that…many liberals would join in against the mandates.

      • Allan

        Work on that can’t begin until there is actionable greivance, which may not be possible for several years. I doubt many liberals will join the the fight against the mandate.

  • Jim A

    We are not obligated to pay for “Obamacare” under Section 1, Article 9 of the Constitution: “No Capitation, or other Direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken”. Also: The U.S. Supreme Court, Brushaber v. Union Pacific R. Co., 240 U.S. (1916); ruling unambiguously declares that the 16th Amendment DID NOT make anything which had previously been taxable only under the apportionment rule now taxable without apportionment.

    • Smilee

      POPPYCOCK!! ANOTHER WHO MISUNDERSTANDS THE CONSTITUTION, YOU HAVE A LOT OF COMPANY ON HERE

      • tedcrawford

        You are like Earl Warren I guess. He declared that he was more qualified to interpret the Constitution than James Madison! Small problem with ego perhaps?

        • Smilee

          FACT YOU DO NOT LIKE HIM IN NO WAY CHANGES THE FACT HE INTERPRETED A LOT OF THE CONSTITUTION, HE WAS A SUPREME JURIST YOU ARE NOTHING

          • Jana

            And you Smilee are LESS than nothing you are a pin head, oh yeah, Pelosi head.

    • eyeswideopen

      Jim, they forced us to purchase guns, powder, sleeping bags, etc. in 1792 you think that was unconstitutional?

      http://www.salon.com/news/healthcare_reform/index.html?=opinion/conason/2010/03/25militia

      • JeffH

        Gee whiz, figure it out. Another link that leads to nowhere by big mouth.

        • JeffH

          Militia Act of 1792,
          Second Congress, Session I. Chapter XXVIII
          Passed May 2, 1792,
          providing for the authority of the President to call out the Militia.
          The Militia Act of 1792, Passed May 8, 1792, providing federal standards for the organization of the Militia.
          That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.

          Nowhere does it mandate that every American must buy these things.
          The militia must provide themselves, but are they to provide themselves from private or government supplies?