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Court Rulings Designed To Separate Religion From Education

June 7, 2011 by  

Court rulings designed to separate religion from educationFederal judges in Texas and New York have rendered decisions that aim to remove religious practices from public schools.

In the Lone Star State, a United States District Judge recently ordered the Medina Valley Independent School District to prohibit public prayer at its graduation ceremony, FOX News reported. More specifically, students were banned from using the words “prayer” and “amen” during the commencement exercises, which were scheduled for Saturday.

According to the news source, the ruling was in response to a lawsuit filed by Danny and Christa Schultz, who claimed that their son would “suffer irreparable harm” if anyone prayed during the graduation ceremony.

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott told the media outlet that the decision seemingly turns school administrators into “speech police.” He added that the ruling seems like a “trampling of the 1st Amendment.”

Meanwhile, an appeals court in the Empire State has ruled that schools in New York City can block religious groups from using educational facilities for worship services, The New York Times reported.

The justices determined that allowing religious practices on school grounds, even if they were conducted outside of school hours, would change the “nature of the site” and violate the 1st Amendment’s establishment clause.

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  • http://www.reformdc.com nax777

    If you have nowhere else to go than the two parties then why are you voting?
    Both parties allow Islamists to inter by the half million and growing a year.
    Both parties allow Latinos to inter by the millions a year.
    Both parties allow a million more from other nations.

    That’s at least three million new comers a year folks. US citizens have had a zero population growth for decades yet we swelled from 274 million to 312 million in eight short years!

    Both parties allow the very real overpopulation threat.
    Both parties allow the death of the American culture and view it as the death of racism.
    Both parties allow the global warning myth to live on.
    Both parties allow Judeo-Christian values to be stripped from governing bodies.
    Both parties allow the creeping police state.

    I can go on for days, especially on details. The Pubs and Dems will deny or support these facts based on hair splitting lip service or false sense of security including racism.

    Replace the parties with citizens that can be immediately removed by citizens and never serve for a life time. We must take control ourselves. Please join with us at Goooh.com you might be able to click on my name. This will take you to my link page that links to Goooh.com, NumbersUSA.com and SBA-list.org.

    P.S. Have you heard of “you cut” @ http://majorityleader.gov/YouCut/.

    • Ben W.

      nax777,
      That is eerie a and very sad what I just read in this article. Which Party does not… as you say the other two Party does.

      I say, “Go with the Constitution Party”.

      Ben

    • http://MSN PHYLLIS

      I AM SO MAD RIGHT NOW MAYBE I SHOULDNT WRITE BUT I’M SICK TO DEATH WHAT THESE JUDGES ARE TRYING TO DO, THEY SHOULD ALL BE FIRED. WE SHOULD CLEAN OUT THE WHITE HOUSE. OBAMA, THE CZARS, REED, CLINTON, THE WHOLE MESS. THEY ARE MAKEING ME SICK AND IT IS INFURATING ME THAT WITH ALL OBAMA HAS DONE AND THAT THEY HAVE PROVED HE IS A MUSLUM, FROM KENYA, NO SS NUMBER, FRAUD BIRTHCERTIFICATE, THEY HAVENT TAKEN HIM TO JAIL. OTHER PRESIDENTS HAVE DIED FOR LESS. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. WHERE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR IT. I BELIEVE HE IS TRYING TO BRAIN WASH. SOUNDS LIKE HE HAS SOME. PLEASE PLEASE,FIGHT. HE IS DESTROYING US. THERE IS A LOT MORE OF US THAN HIS SIDE. GOD IS WITH US. STAND UP.NOW BEFORE IT IS TOOOOOOOOOOOO LATER.

      • Vagabond

        Phyllis hold that thought till election day and help vote the bastard out of office. as I plan to do. the thing that really frosts my windsheild is I have never voted for a judge to make law. thats the job of congress and dammit they need to get busy and start impeach proceedings against those activist judges who think they are suposed to do the job of congress,

  • http://burkecomputers.blogspot.com/ DanB

    And here I thought there was hope for freedom from oppression in Texas….

    • Bus

      Their poor child! Irrepairable harm, wow. I think the kid has already suffered it living with parents who would make such a ridiculous statement and take it through the court system. The kid is probably scared for life but participating in a religious observance certainly isn’t the cause.

    • 45caliber

      Unfortunately, Texas suffers from idiots too.

      • Robert Smith

        Yup, Crawford just got their village idiot back.

        Rob

  • JimH

    Anyone who thinks there is no prayer in public school hasn’t been there during final exam week.

  • http://YAHOO.COM B.FRANKLIN

    TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM OF THAT YOUNG BOY HAVING A NERVOUS BREAK DOWN FROM PRAYER. KEEP HIM HOME

    • Vagabond

      or better yet take him away from those SLIMEBALLS and put him in a good home, sure glad those SLIMEBALLS dont live near me,

  • James

    The United States became great because it made biblical sins the law of the land. Now watch what happens to it. We have been invaded and are being conquered.

  • GRusling

    The Federal Judge’s ruling in Texas has been overturned, reversed, negated. The Medina Valley Independent School District graduation went on as planned, prayers and all without any “direction” from this federal District Judge. The 1st Amendment has won and been vindicated.

    “Federal District Courts” are creations of CONGRESS (check the Constitution). The 1st Amendment plainly says; “Congress shall make no law” so only sheer stupidity could believe that an “AGENT” of Congress, CREATED by Congress can make some “rule” that the Congress itself is FORBIDDEN to make!

    Why do we allow some “FEDERAL COURT” to interpret our Constitution when NO SUCH AUTHORITY can be found ANYWHERE in the Constitution? Wasn’t our Constitution written to CREATE all things federal, to define and LIMIT our federal government to ONLY those tasks assigned to it by that Constitution? How then can any part of the federal government itself be an agent authorized to INTERPRET what that Constitution says? Isn’t such a concept self-defeating of any “limitation” placed on that government?

    When “We the People” stand up and scream LOUDLY enough at such a cockamamie theory being proposed, even Washington DC will be forced to listen. That’s exactly what the Medina Valley Independent School District and the Texas Attorney General did, and “The People” won!

    If enough of us simply REFUSE to follow such ridiculous court orders, our “COURTS” will also be required to abide by our Constitution, which applies to and created each and every one of them…

    • Dan az

      Right your are.

    • Vagabond

      in the first place GRusling our Constitution does not need interpritating. it is so very plain even an IDIOT could understand it. those SLIMEBALLS know that. they just keep pushing the envelope. incidently I have a copy of the Constitution right here in front of me. it’s very hand when you are dealing with LIBERAL IDIOTS,

      • 45caliber

        I keep a copy of the Constitution on my hard drive so I can check it instantly.

        • http://naver samurai

          I keep a copy of it on my desk at school and carry one with me wherever I go. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Larry L. Jones

      These Judges are afraid that if we all live by the ten commandments that would put them out of work.

  • Herbert

    I thot the Srpreem Cort has ruld that Studnet Led Prayer was all right!!
    And it was a mader of free spech.

    • Ben W.

      Herbert,
      At leest u spel ur namo rite.

      Ben

      • JimH

        Hurbret, That wuz a gud joak.

    • Dan az

      Obomics

  • bruce

    we need to vote in enough conservatives who will impeach federal judges who do not follow the constitution,starting with the four commies on the supreme court.

    • Vagabond

      AMEN,

  • joe

    well, well, here again we see Judges trying to rewrite law, and tell YOU what to think, beleive in and yet these guys probably worship self, and the devil for all we know.But they worship something you can believe that. but you are not suppose to believe in God, Jesus Christ, well I got news for anyone who trys to tell me or my family they can not say God or pray to Jesus Christ the son of the LIVING GOD. I would hope that all Schools would have prayer or at least have that option when they Graduate from any school…and I bet you money on this one but since Im not a betting man, but you can count on it: when Muslims take control and they certainly do want to, they will pray openly cry out to ALA in the earlier morning and at noon and at sundown… we will have to listen to that and these so call Judges are not going to say a thing or do anything about it. Watch, its going to will happen if we don’t speak out make our stand for what we believe.

    • 45caliber

      Joe:

      Check out the government stance of many European countries right now – which our liberal group wants to mimic. The biggest educational argument is that the parents do NOT have the right to subject their children to religion. Instead they insist the kids are taught nothing of education so they can “make up their own minds when they turn 18.”

      There are German parents who recently were allowed political asylam in the US due to this. Fines in Germany are as much as $10,000 per occurence of trying to teach your children or praying in the home in front of them.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey 45, I googled around for ” Fines in Germany are as much as $10,000 per occurence of trying to teach your children or praying in the home in front of them.”

        I was unable to find anything close. Can you give us a citation so some real discussion of this issue can be put on the table?

        For me your claim just isn’t enough.

        Rob

  • ed

    OUR GREAT NATION HAS EXISTED BECAUSE OF OUR FAITH IN GOD AND JESUS, AND COUNTRY. ONCE YOU LOSE THESE GREAT VALUES YOU CREATE A DOWN FALL TO ANY NATION. SO LET US PRAY SO THAT OUR LEADERS IN WASHINTON SEE THE LIGHT AND RETURN TO THE PATH OUR FORE FATHERS CHOOSE. THANKS

  • Les Bergman

    Our Nation’s school system was mostly started by religious groups. They used the Bible as one of the main books of study. That is our
    what made this GREAT NATION, GREAT. THAT IS OUR HISTORY. Most likely
    they don’t know how to read in Washington. That is most likely why we are having so much trouble in our Schools.

    We would be fired if we took care of our jobs like they do. Or our business would go bankrupt. We need a renewed EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM from
    the bottom up. What say you??

    • 45caliber

      And it needs to be controlled locally ONLY. No state or federal “help” is needed.

  • oldbill

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    You always hear about the “establishment” , which liberals, atheists, and all those who hate God use to “prohibit” the free exercise of religion. Government has no right to prohibit the exercise of religion in public places. The courts are part of the government. A judge that prohibits the free exercise of religion in public places should be impeached for violating the 1st Amendment. He should not be a judge because he is too incompetent and too ignorant to understand the Constitution.

    • Vagabond

      AMEN TO THAT,

    • 45caliber

      I definately agree!

  • http://MSN PHYLLIS

    I SEE THERE IS A LOT OF BELIEVERS IN HERE AND I THANK EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. WE HAVE ALL GOT TO STAND AND FIGHT. I’M 77 BUT I ‘M NOT SO FAR GONE I DONT HAVE THAT FIGHT INSIDE ME. IF I WAS YOUNGER I COULD DO MORE. ALL I CAN DO NOW IS LET PEOPLE BELEIVE IN OUR GREAT NATION, GET ALL THE ILLIGALS OUT OF HERE AND ALL THE MUSLUMS. THEY DO NOT HAVE A RELIGION, THAT IS A COVER UP FOR THEIR WANTING TO TAKE US OVER. THEY HAVE A COUNTRY. GO TO IT. WE DONT WANT ANY PART OF THEM. THEY HATE. THEY DONT LOVE. THE 20 YR OLDS ARE EVEN FORCING LITTLE GIRLS 6 ON UP TO MARRY THEM. THAT IS SICK.
    WE HAVE GOT TO GET OBAMA OUT OF THERE BEFORE THE 12TH. THEY LIED TO US AND HAD DEAD PEOPLES NAMES ON THE BALLETS TO GET HIM IN. I’M SURE HE WASNT VOTED IN LEGAL.GOD BE WITH US BELIEVERS. I KNOW HE IS THERE.

    • Vagabond

      Phyllis you are so right. but then dead people have been voting for the democrats forever, without dead people there wouldn’t be a democratic party. by the way you only have me by 2 years,

  • Bill Heriford

    If separation of church and state is the law of the land then Congress should enact laws prohibiting courts from ruling in cases that involve or interfere with religious practices or beliefs. When courts aee allowed to make rules regarding religious matters there is obviously no separation of church and state.

    • Cawmun Cents

      Please tell me where you find separation of church and state in our laws?

    • 45caliber

      The law (the Constitution) states that the government cannot interfer in religious matters. THAT IS ALL. There is no seperation of church and state. There is nothing to prevent religion from involving itself in government.

    • http://naver samurai

      Like CC said, show me where it says seperation of church and state in our Constitution. I’ll give you a hint, it isn’t there. Where do these ingrates come up with such lies? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner
  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    For every one.

    Darwin didn’t refute his theories on his deathbed.

    http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/darwin2.htm

    • Jay

      Darwin was never sure about his “THEORY”! How could he have been sure? He had absolutely no clue as to what was inside a “Human Cell”! He had no idea, the poor old shlep, that DNA existed, biological information. Coal, let the poor old man rest in peace!

    • http://naver samurai

      Why did you just repeat the same lie you told on another thread? You didn’t think we would catch it? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        samurai,

        You are a total idiot.You don’t have the intellectual capacity for independent thought.I never did beleive you were ever in the service.Too many factors gives you away.I am wagering you, you have never been in any combat or military service, if you are lying and said you did served,you forfeit your soul.The only way you get your soul back,is to recant every lie you told on here.I will give you one hour.He he he Ha ha ha

        • Jay

          coal, you fool, you’re projecting, can’t you see that? HA HA HA HA HA! Funny how every time you open your mouth, your foot follows! So you’ve been lying all along, then? But of course you would not be able to discern that, as, you’re not only blind, but lack the intellectual capacity to understand your dire condition!!! Simpleton!

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Jay,

            I already got yours.

        • http://naver samurai

          Shut up, coal dungger! I have my DD214 that shows I did my 20 years, how about you? Speaking of lying, that’s all you ever do on this site. Ergo, you are the one whose soul is in jeapardy. Practice what you preach, BOY! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          P.S. I suggest you tell me thank you for my service. I’ll be waiting for your apology.

  • 45caliber

    “According to the news source, the ruling was in response to a lawsuit filed by Danny and Christa Schultz, who claimed that their son would “suffer irreparable harm” if anyone prayed during the graduation ceremony.”

    One question. HOW DOES HE SUFFER HARM?

    • Jay

      Good question! So this was decided based on “ONE” lawsuit? Could Faith based parents file a lawsuit claiming that their children could “suffer irreparable harm” for “not”, praying during the graduation ceremony?

  • Karolyn

    RIDICULOUS!

    • Jay

      Karolyn, who are you responding to? If its my post, then I agree with you! It is a ridiculous statement. And thank you for stating that my statement was ridiculous, consequently, no less ridiculous then the assertion that their child, or a child, would suffer irreparable harm as a result of being present during prayer! RIDICULOUS!!! Personally, I would suggest the the courts recommend that the parents in question undergo a psychological evaluation to determine wether they are fit to raise their children!

  • i41

    I bet a dime to a hole under a dog’s tail you will find a democrap idiot hanging like a tape worm swinging in the wind because of any liberal court ruling. Time for more home schooling of the children, so parents don’t have to put up the anti USA speal, the teaching of fagging of 1st graders until they graduate. Also the NEA’s love in for the pedophile worshipping goat abusers, and anything abhorant as normal behavior. Bet these perv muslims will get foor baths and special breaks and prayer time outs, because pervs are preferred by the marxistt/coominist muslim in the WH. Hope Captain Kleen can get the musty ordor and the goat smell out of the carpets and draperies in the people’s house. .45 this kid was going to have irreparable damage, is that prayer always makes the marxist/communist democrats wig out and abuse themselve till they have brain damage and pain.

  • Jay

    No doubt, Mr. & Mrs Schultz were assisted in filing the law suit courtesy of the ACLU (American Centre for Law and Unjustice)!

    ACLU: The foremost missionary organization of Abortionism and related cults such as Evangelical Paganism. Variously known as Atheists, Communists and Liars Unscrupulous; Anti-Christian Litigation Union and Abortionite Confraternity of Litigious Ultra-Leftists. An organization devoted to destroying the moral foundations of American society by eradicating the influence of religion from public life.

  • John Wilch (‘Nam Vet – ’68-69)

    FOLKS: Those idiots that keep say that the 1st Amendment says that that there must be separation of church and state must have got their education from a six pack or when they stood in line to receive a brain they misunderstood when ask if they wanted a smart brain, they thought they were asked if they wanted a train.

    Folks, I have on my desk a pocket size copy of the Constitution along with its Amendments:

    QUOTE: Amendment I.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof: or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press: or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. UNQUOTE

    So, Folks, if those idiots can read or find someone smarter than they are to get that person to read and then explain to him/her what the above passage means.

    GOD BLESS THE USA and MAY HE WATCH OVER ALL OUT BRAVE MILITARY HEROES (PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE).

  • Verus Langham

    I find some of these comments completely “off-the-wall” in that they reference nothing at all of the subject at hand…. that being the court “censorship” of prayer in schools: a moot issue supposedly cleared up in recent times to clarify that Judge Black ruling back in 1948 to ban the practice of prayer in school. For decades the official government stance (especially in the aftermath of Madelyn Albright’s victory in her challenge against her child’s having to hear prayer, or hear God’s name mentioned in schools) became a lockdown for our freedoms…. but, in recent times (as stated) a Supreme Court attended to the matter for clarification purposes and redefined the whole matter and then it seemed the new thought was that we could indeed have prayer and Christian discussions in schools but only in sanctioned clubs that were declared to be a Christian environment and it was all strictly voluntary and set apart from the school’s curricula or normal activity. The Court ruled there was nothing in the original case precedent that had ever barred such; it was just not researched enough and people just kept on keeping on with the old version of how it was to be enforced. Now this eerily creeps in and no one seems to be aware of the history of this issue. Christians of conscience must come together with a few questions to pose to their Congressmen and lawyers to determine whether these two cases have justices who are ignorant of the new intent of an old and worn out issue and are themselves to held in contempt of the higher court’s mandates.

  • Tom

    These kinds of judges — and those who appoint/support them — don’t seem to either see or care that they are violating OUR rights. So, two parents were able to shut down the voices of everyone else. Rather than opting out — not praying — during that portion of the ceremony, they changed the entire ceremony to THEIR liking. And to hell with the rest of us.

    The few directing the behavoir of the many. That’s called a dictatorship. The students praying in no way equates to Congress passing a law establishing a religion. However, ordering students to refrain from praying DOES violate the first amendment’s guarantee of the freedom to practice one’s religion. Those who do not wish to participate can cover their ears.

    But you see, that doesn’t help the progressive left create the socialist secular humanist society they desire. They must force their will on the rest of society. The fact that we outnumber them at least five to one is immaterial. The minority rules over the majority and has done so since before most of us were ever born. The only reprieve was during the Reagan years. Otherwise, neither party’s presidents have done anything to protect the Constitution. Those in Congress who try have been overwhelmed and outvoted in their attempts to get us back on track. The few truly Conservative Republicans have been stopped in their tracks by the liberal Democrats and their RINO allies.

    The question is, when is the American public, which polls indicate time and time again disagree with these kinds of court decisions, finally going to do something about it? When are they finally going to dump their Democrats and RINOs in favor of some actual God-fearing Constitution loving representatives?

    • Jerome Cecil

      Tom,

      The few directing the behavior of the many is not always dictatorship. Sometimes it’s simply ensuring EVERYONE has rights. This has been blown out of proportion by many people, and you certainly seem to be one of them. Why should students of a different religion, or even no religion, be forced to sit through a prayer by the majority religion if they want to attend a government function? Isn’t that theocracy, the scurge of England that forced many of our forefathers to set out for distant shores?

      The judges’ descision doesn’t say that the students can’t pray AT ALL, just not DURING the government-sponsored, government-directed graduation as a vocal, chosen speaker representing the ENTIRE student body as well as the government. If they want to have a moment of silence, fine. But an actual, Honest-to-God prayer during that ceremony is, in fact, an establishment of religion during a government-backed event. They can pray before, or after, or even silently during! That’s the marvelous thing about religion, it doesn’t HAVE to be led by someone else.

      When the majority thinks the minority, no matter how small, should “shut up and take it, it’s not like it really matters,” THAT is unConstitutional. THAT is the example of rights being trampled on. Our Constitution was framed so that three wolves and a sheep don’t have a streight-up vote on what to have for dinner.

  • John T

    My copy of the Constitution and its First Amendment reads “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech….”
    Where does it say total freedom FROM religion?

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