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Controversy Swirls Around Bin Laden’s Burial

May 5, 2011 by  

Controversy swirls around bin Laden's burialAlthough many Americans have showered President Barack Obama with praise following the death of Osama bin Laden, several critics have questioned the manner in which the government disposed of the al-Qaida leader's corpse.

White House officials decided to dump bin Laden into the sea in order to prevent his grave from becoming a shrine for his followers, according to media reports. His body was washed and placed in a white sheet, which was in accordance with Islamic customs.

The Obama administration offered bin Laden's remains to one country, but the nation refused, according to Department of Defense officials. In an effort to conform to Islamic traditions, the burial was conducted within 24 hours of bin Laden's death.

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said that he was bothered by the news that the body was disposed of within 24 hours. In an interview on FOX News Radio, Graham said that the Obama administration may have taken "sensitivity too far" and more time should have been devoted to confirming that the corpse was, in fact, bin Laden.

"It would be in our national interests to make a case, documented case, that this was Osama bin Laden," Graham told the news source.  

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  • Jeremy Leochner

    I am unsure as to the time. I think it might have been best to get as much documentation as possible but I can presume upon a corpse it is difficult to get much. One can only look so many ways or provide only so much dead. The administration in conjunction with testimonies of various sources say Bin Ladens Body was positively identified by one of his many wives and that a DNA test with his that was on file confirmed his identity. I suppose with such evidence and what I can assume would be done to a corpose in the midst of preperations for burial all possible evidence that can be obained from the body after having been identified had been gotten in what time they had and in regards to what was needed to confirm the how, when where and why he died. Now we must use his captured accomplices, everything from his hideout, and any and all documentation taken from the more than decade old file we have on him to make the necessary case.
    As to respecting Islamic beliefs I give it high praise and respect. I believe it shows our troops and our countries commitment to our values of honor and tolerance. We show the world we are respectful in victory and give full honors to a deceased man in spite of our complete disdain for everything he was and stood for. If we had taken any less respectful action it could very well have sent a message of revenge which I do not believe we want to send. America’s Troops showed we stand on the highground above our fallen enemy. And no matter what he did or what his friends may do they can never change us and they can never win.

    • independant thinker

      “and that a DNA test with his that was on file confirmed his identity.”

      I have a small problem with that. From everything I have find on the subject so far The minimum time to get an accurate DNA test run is 72 hours (3 days) with non emergency ones taking 5-7 days while his was supposed to have been done in less than 24 hours.

      • karolyn

        But don’t you think the White House can get anything done faster?

        • independant thinker

          I do not think they can bend the laws of nature to get anything done faster.

          • azwayne

            You don’t think the messiah, can’t change the laws of nature, give credit where do, that’s the only part of the story you have problem with?< time for some to stop and THINK. Would you recognize $3 dollar bill if someone gave it to you? They all sat glued watching ONE monitor, and you get this many stories and different facts in inly 4 days? If it was 10 years ago, I would allow, something like this and this is the best, where are the problems?

          • http://Illinois'17th Old Henry

            azwayne:

            That is the problem with pathalogical liars, they cannot keep the storyline straight.

        • Michael J.

          karolyn said:
          “But don’t you think the White House can get anything done faster?”

          Really Karolyn, If that were true, why is it that we are still in a recession? Why is unemployment one full percentage point higher than when Bush left office? Why is gas twice the amount it was when your boy wonder took office? Why is Gitmo still open? And not only are we still in Iraq and Afganistan, but now are involved in a third war.

          • Rob

            I guess to answer your question, you’d have to look back to Bush who got us into TWO wars, took our debt to staggering levels and left office the same way he did when he was governor of TX. No, I’m not a Dem, I’m an independent.

            To even think any administration can change unemployment or get us out of a recession, which has to happen from time to time is being very naive. Just look at all the american’s that used their credit card to the limit and their house as a bank account. We’ve done this to ourselves and as usual want to blame someone else.

      • ValDM

        I have a bigger problem with the DNA comparison : where, when, and how did we acquire the “original” sample to be compared with the supposedly “new” sample that supposedly “confirms” identity?

        • Jovianus

          Parents, siblings, perhaps from the days we dealt with him during the reagan years when the US established him as a leader. Numerous ways of obtaining DNA for a match.

          • Michael J.

            Jovianus,
            You forget to mention the numerous ways that DNA can be falsified.
            Especialy when there is no corpse with which to do a follow up.

        • Jana

          ValDM,
          I do too. Did they get this DNA 20 years ago? Where and How?

          • 45caliber

            His sister died several years ago in the US. I understand they collected some DNA for a sample for comparison to his. He also has a son who supposedly is against what he is doing and a couple of brothers as well. If so, they could hardly refuse a request for a DNA sample for comparison. That is hardly a problem.

          • Jay

            45caliber,
            His sister died several years ago in the US. I understand they collected some DNA for a sample for comparison to his.

            45, how can we confirm this?

            He also has a son who supposedly is against what he is doing and a couple of brothers as well.

            45, you used the word, supposedly.

            If so, they could hardly refuse a request for a DNA sample for comparison. That is hardly a problem.

            45, the problem is that that can’t be confirmed!

          • Michael J.

            45calibur,
            Question for you, was his sister buried within 24 hours?

      • Jovianus

        Independent Thinker….funny, I did a quick Google search and found several commerical labs saying they can turn DNA smaples in a less than a day.

        Methinks you are making things up or speaking without taking time to verify what you are saying is accurate … but then, I’m not surprised

        • Jana

          Jovi,
          smaples?? funny. I know our fingers go faster than our eyes.
          But can they do DNA testing in less than 2 hours? Where did the original DNA come from??

          • Jovianus

            2 hours? Where did that time frame come from? As pointed out in another post below…the DNA samples are available..sister, family members etc. And I would think they would have those samples on file after all these years.

            As for turning a DNA test in rapid time, do you really think the US Gov’t can’t do that with a super computer etc doing the cross referencing? I would venture they did a quick match, then went and took time for a later more in depth analysis.

          • Jana

            Jovi,
            They burind him within 2 hours.

          • Jovianus

            Shoot Jana…they had blood on his clothes, they had his brains spilling out, etc. Easy to grab a sample for DNA testing. They don’t need a corpse hangin’ around after taking samples for tests.

          • Michael J.

            Jovianus,
            Interesting, DNA in a day, but it takes 2 1/2 years to produce a birth certificate? Hmmm…

          • Michael J.

            Doofianus,
            Any blood on his clothes would be considered contaminated and unusable.

        • azwayne

          Same old jovi, from first comments I ever saw from you, NO FACTS, NO COMMON SENSE, we have to assume hired by moveon.org, no one else so worthless. ANy of the rest, Do you know where Pakistan is, do you think about what seals would be doing? on a mission like this? How fast would we fly to sophisticated labs and possible dna testing facility? Do they carry one with the crew? I don’t care what reality shows you watch, it’s time to recognize the lying government we have especially the ODUMBO administration, but if you need fact go see valerie jarrett. the REAL BOSS.

          • Jovianus

            LOL…..Wayne, you truly are ignornat or deliberately misleading. Do I think they have the facilities to take a computer analysis of DNA at a main military base? Absolutely, especially with the possibility of soldiers being identified with small scraps if they are hit by a bomb. If you don’t think we have that capability….perhaps you should become more knowledgeable.

            Then it’s a simple email attachment over a secured line, match computer analysis to computer analysis of DNA from a relative..voila.

            Out of curiousity…what do you think we have or don’t have at our Main Base over there? Jeesh ….

          • Michael J.

            Jovianus,
            I am sure you are correct, they probably faxed the DNA sample to the military base, right?

          • Kate8

            Michael J – Good one! LOL.

      • Lewis Munn

        For a warship, it does seem very very fast!

      • wllharrington

        I agree but have you considered that the time line alleged in the news is not accurate. I would not find it implausable that the announcement was delayed to complete DNA testing knowing the scrutiny that the operation would receive once announced.

    • Jana

      Jeremy,
      What country are your parents from?

      • Jeremy Leochner

        The United States. Born and Raised.

        • Jana

          Jeremy,
          The reason I asked was the way you talk is the way the people talk that are from India and other countries when I have to call in about my computer. They appologize a lot too.

          • Eddie47d

            Another sneaky insult Jana?

          • Jana

            Eddie,
            NO, I was not insulting him. Do you consider being from India or another country an insult? I don’t.
            My goodness Eddie get real!

          • Kate8

            eddie – You are embarrassing yourself.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            kate8,
            your keyboard dropped two words….They are AS USUAL! they should have been after the word yourself!!!

          • Eddie47d

            No I am not embarrassed . You all are always accusing Obama of apologizing so I thought you were trying to make that connection. That was my first mistake ever! Not really, but I’m not apologizing!! LOL.

          • Jeremy Leochner

            I understand Jana. I just apologize because I know preaching or sounding preachy can be annoying so I tried to make amends for it.

          • libertytrain

            Here.

          • http://MSN CHARLEY60

            A real man will put aside the pride in himself and say he was wrong and apologize. Not many with the balls to do that these days. Not surprised you didn’t understand it.

    • Cawmun Cents

      First you must assume that the Islamic world believes that we did what we stated we did.

      • Lewis Munn

        Haven’t heard. Are they admitting and breathing jihad, or are they acting like they know better but are being angry to make the US think they actually got the right guy?

        I do not recall before that our government claimed to have a sample of his DNA to check against. When and how did they get it??

        • Cawmun Cents

          Supposedly,they obtained DNA from living relatives.

  • Jeremy Leochner

    My apologies for getting a little preachy at the end. Such things just get me going I guess.

    • Kinetic1

      Jeremy,
      I for one require no apology. You said what yo believe and said it well. I understand the need for closure that many of the victims of 9/11 feel, but I have to question their need to actually see a body. These are not the days of the wild west. We do not line up the bodies of our criminal foes for the towns folk to gawk at and deride. A great deal of harm has been done to our relations with the Middle East in our effort to bring the terrorists to justice and any chance we have to show the true believers a little respect brings us a little closer to mending things. I know, some of you are going to lecture me on the savage Muslims and how they view us as week for offering an olive branch, but these are often the same folks who preach to me about America being a Christian nation. Well, this show of respect may just bring us a little closer to that ideal.

      • Bert Cundle

        We Couldn’t treat him like Sadam Husane… WHY NOT???

  • http://- AntonS

    Apparently SEALS were on orders to kill Bin Laden (almost, no matter what), not by the Pentagon n byor Obama, but by the Spy Director. This seems a very suspicious goal as questioning Bin Laden would have provided many answers to questions such as whether Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11 at all. It very much appears that the CIA did not want Bin Laden saying anything at all, if this was in fact Bin Laden.

    All very disturbing as it appears that certain factions of the US government want to hide something. They continue to be elusive and suggest an absurd reason for dumping the evidence into the sea. Respecting Muslim burial rites is absurd reasoning, as the US blows many other enemy Muslims to bits and no radical Muslim would be any more inflamed than they already is by America. After all, if Bin Laden did mastermind 9/11, then Muslims would not have blamed the US if they buried his head in the ashes of ground zero with a carrot growing from his rear. .

    • TIME

      Anton,
      You noted a few very solid points that the simple minded MONKEY TOOLS will just not get.
      The fact that INTEL is garnered from HIGH profile targets seems to have been totaly over looked by the simple minded. Thus one can only conclude that someone is covering something.
      Then the question to anyone who has GRAY MATTER is WHY and WHAT?

      Note; the MONKEY TOOLS all are happy they need not think about anything but, what new cell phone they can get next, or what sales at the Mall will be, whos playing Football this week.
      See how easy it is to make Mindless MONKEY TOOLS happy.

      • Al Sieber

        Hey TIME, makes a lot of sense, but I still have questions.

      • Eddie47d

        Time is ignorant as usual and trying to reel you all in with his Monkey name calling. The last thing the world needs is a shrine to Bin Laden and you should at least admit placing his body in the ocean was a good call. Those who love Osama will still do so but won’t be able to make a pilgrimage to some over bloated shrine. For Time to think Bin Laden would squeal is almost to far fetched to even comment on. He was dedicated to his cause and would have offered nothing. He would have dragged a trial out forever and never would be executed so that is another one of your lousy ideas. I think you actually want him to have an even greater martyrdom with your sly Monkey comments. The Seal Team recovered arm fulls of information in the raid and that will be far more useful than any interrogation of Bin Laden.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          eddie,
          you keep making assumptions all the time!!! Like you saying we should have never gone to Iraq. The guy that gave them the information on OBL was captured in Iraq, so we would have never known OBL was in that compound had we not gone there in the first place!!!

          • Eddie47d

            The guy that gave us the information(the courier) was in the compound when it was raided. He was the only evidence that Osama was there.

          • libertytrain

            Hey, personally I’m glad Eddie had time to go and be an eyewitness otherwise we would know nothing about this.

          • Jana

            Eddie,
            They found out about this courrier at GITMO. Wakey wakey.

        • Bitter Libertarian

          Your Logic regarding a “shrine”, or monument to BinLaden as a logical reason to kill on site has no legitimate foundation….Where are the shrines to Hitler, Goering, Himmler, Ho Chi Mein? I disagree that a quick recorded trial, Just Like the Nuerinberg Trials wouldnt put things to rest. Historically there is no logical reason NOT to be open about this unless…..

      • karolyn

        I really do take exception to your dismissal of most of America as “Monkies.” You know, Time, every single one of us is unique and special in his uniqueness. Our very uniqueness allows us to be who we are; and you could never, even if you wanted to, force people to care about what you care about. My point here is why do you cast judgment on those who are different than you? What need in you does it satisfy to denigrate people so? If everyone thought alike, it would be a terrible, boring world. But would you be happy then?

      • JeffH

        TIME, I have to agree. “See how easy it is to make Mindless MONKEY TOOLS happy” or should you say “see how easy it is to make these Mindless Monkeys unhappy”.

        Some take offense and then there are some those that openly display their inferiority complex.

        • Eddie47d

          Why then do you feel so inferior Jeff? I know you secretly love the pathetic name calling so you can lower yourself down to his level. How about trying to raise yourself above his nonsense.

          • JeffH

            47D, yes, you are pathetic!

          • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

            Eddie69d and your better half Karolyn, (offensive words removed)

          • http://?? Joe H.

            WIA,
            I beginning to think eddie has a split personality and karolyn is his alter ego!!!

          • Eddie47d

            …and WIA and Joe are just plain offensive.

    • Cawmun Cents

      You are of course assuming that he could be willingly coerced,and that you captured him alive.If he refused to surrender and had possesion of a weapon,it might have made your efforts to get a confession a bit hard.

      • 45caliber

        Cawmun Cents:

        If you listen to the libs they will tell you it is easy to get info from someone without torture. All you have to do is show them that you are willing to be friends and they will tell you anything. I’m sure that with a liberal questioning Osama they could have gotten everything he ever knew in a couple of hours.

        Don’t you agree?

        • Jovianus

          I agree under torture you are just as likely to get what you want to hear as to what the truth is. During the heyday of the Soviet Union’s show trials, they had many confessions from those put on trial. Ya think they were all true confessions?

          Just because you’re a spineless jellyfish who would spill their guts in the slightest hint of torture…don’t think everyone would be the same. So tell us…would you tell the truth…or would you say anything they wanted to hear to stop the torture?

          • Michael J.

            Doofianus,
            So from your point of view, shooting him in the head was OK, but torture would have been inhumane.

        • Cawmun Cents

          Why didnt they just use hot air torture?Y’know….take him to the Senate,sit him down,and force him to listen to them all day.That would drive the most hard hearted human to tell everything he knows.Forced watching of C-SPAN(complete with interpreter),with his eyelids toothpicked open and Bose Headphones on his ears while tied to a chair.Mother!He would confess everything and disown Allah!Why couldnt we use that extreme of a torture to extract information?

      • Kinetic1

        Of course I can’t confirm this yet, but the last news report I heard said that the Seals saw Bin Laden stick his head out a doorway at which point they took a shot and missed. They followed him into a bedroom and there they found him, standing behind a women and reaching for an AK47. If this is how it went down, capture was not a likely outcome.

        • Cawmun Cents

          It never was a likely outcome.

  • TIME

    A few post clearly display what I noted about MONKEY TOOLS.

  • big d lacy

    if bin laden was still alive and captured dont you think that his brothers at arms would do anything to get him back? including maybe terrorist attacks and hijackings? yes they would.wouldnt you? i just hope and pray that this will be a example to others in his profession that it dont pay to be a terrorist!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Has anyone considered that OBL was becoming a liability to the terrorists and they gave him up? There are already others chomping on the reins to take his place.

      • Cawmun Cents

        hurrah!He was expendable!Men….this is a girl figuring out what you cannot.Though I posted my thoughts on this point yesterday,thank you Nadzieja!

      • Lewis Munn

        I am not skilled in politics, but I had thought it seemed much to easy, like his buddies had given him up, possibly knowing he would be killed! White House might be pervious??

        Or perhaps all the wonderful stuff they took away might have been a plant? Remember Obama himself supports the Muslims and their goals. Wonder if Soros decided Osama was now a liability and told Obama to get rid of him? All sorts of juicy possible conspiracy theories, none of them able to be ruled out! How luscious!!

    • Bert Cundle

      If Osoma had been Captured, to be given a FAIR Trial… His Followers Would Prase The U.S. Government!!!

      • 45caliber

        Riiigggghhhht … I’m sure they would have praised the US for trying him in court … when they believe the court is as crooked as their own in the first place. Please don’t be silly if you expect to be listened to.

        • Bert Cundle

          45 Cal… Your barrel is plugged!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Bert,
        What the hell is in that hookah you are smoking from?!?!?!? Or are you just mainlining?????

      • Average Joe

        Sometimes I am ashamed to be a member of the human race and truly belive that real “monkeys” are much smarter than we are…they fight over food, mates and territory…but not over trival issues such as burial. Who really cares about the burial, it is after all just an empty shell…the contents are gone, they are not comming back to reclaim the body.In all of history, only one man has ever done that and before anyone says otherwise, I will remind you that to disagree…means that no one has come back to claim their body…therefore a moot argument (myself, I’d rather be wrong and have no place to go…than to be right and spend eternity in hell). I am more concerned with “justice” than the burial….and there will be no justice in this case…..EVER. Justice is never served through assasination (which is what this was)…cold blooded murder…I thought we in America were supposed to be above cheering for murderers….I guess I was wrong. I posted this yesterday:

        I found this while researching and thought I’d throw it out…make up your own minds…
        ………………………………………………………………………….
        In a speech in San Francisco on April 19, 2002, FBI Director Robert Mueller stated that, “In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper-either here in the United States or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere-that mentioned any aspect of the September 11 plot.” In the speech, there was a tone of underlying surprise in Mueller’s voice because he, like so many of us, had by that point accepted as self-evident truth the given narrative of 19 Arab hijackers under the direction of Osama bin Laden as the responsible perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks. And such a complex, well-orchestrated crime should have left a long paper trail and discarded pile of evidence for investigators to follow and pick up. But there was none. In fact, “the FBI’s (current) page on bin Laden as a ‘Most Wanted Terrorist’ does not list him as wanted for 9/11, and when asked why, a FBI spokesman said, ‘because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11′.”

        Whether OBL had anything to do with 911 or not, I honestly don’t know one way or the other. He has been linked to enough other terrorism to warrant his being hunted. As for the claim the he took credit for the attack, we must remember that any footage released by the government and media all contain the possibility of forgery and or tampering…(fakery) as many of the releases during the Bush years were obviously faked or outright lies.
        I take issue with the fact that they shot him point blank even though he was unarmed, that amounts to assasination (Murder) and not “justice”. He should have been captured and placed on trial by the world court (Like the Nuremberg Trials) in order bring out the truth of the matter. Assasination tends to make me wonder…who was afraid of him and the information that may have come to light if he had actully been put on trial? It only adds to the mystery and speculation of the entire afair.
        Without OBL being able to tell his side…we may never find out what the truth really is….At this point…there will be no “Justice”.

      • Lewis Munn

        They might, knowing Obama would assure he was acquitted in the end!

        • Bert Cundle

          There are Laws that We The Public Can’t tell lies to Government, (Congress Investigating Commity) Courts, Law inforcement F.B.I. ETC. But, They Can Lie to us… ( AND DO…) Regan Said: I’m from the Gocernment, And I’m here to help; “B.S.”

  • H. Kirk Rainer

    The treatment-reporting of this international, long-term mission is very perculiar. Couple this reporting with other prior reports (of up to a decade ago) of Bin Laden’s demise–due to serious illness–and what you have is…many questions, still.

    • Carlucci

      I think this article says it all:

      http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts304.html

      • texastwin827

        While the story may be, in fact, what really happened, I take exception to this man’s stupid remark “Thanks to a trigger-happy stupid SEAL, a bullet destroyed the most valuable terrorist information on the planet”. Navy SEALS follow orders…if this SEALS’ orders were “shoot to kill” then he did as his Commander in Chief (Obama) ordered. There are NO stupid SEALS and this man’s blatant arrogance to suggest there are, is as stupid as they come.

        • Carlucci

          texastwin827 – I disagree. If this “killing of OBL” story is really true (and I have my doubts), the author of the article is correct to ask that question.

          When John Wilkes Booth was cornered in a barn that was set on fire by union soldiers, the purpose was to smoke him out as they wanted him taken alive for questioning after the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. They also wanted him taken alive so they could hang him along with his fellow “co-conspirators”). Unfortunately, a hothead soldier named Boston Corbett shot Booth, mortally wounding him. Corbett was never given an order to do such a thing; in fact, he disobeyed orders because the government wanted Booth taken alive no matter what.

          • Cawmun Cents

            I will have to agree with Texastwin827.A navy S.E.A.L.acts only on his orders,in concert with his directive.The kind of training these men go through makes them among the most elite(if not the very most elite)fighters on the planet.You wouldnt find one of a squad of these men who would shoot without express orders,or act outside the borders of his directive.It isnt done that way because it mght compromise any mission they are given,or endanger lives of other S.E.A.L.’s.If the S.E.A.L’s are even there it is because they are fast,work best in small teams,and can do any job that needs to be done without likely compromise.If a man can be gotten or a target realized,these are the men who will get it done.

      • Kate8

        Carlucci – Thanks for that article. Those were my thoughts from the beginning.

        I don’t think they really care anymore whether we believe them. So, what are we going to do about it?

        Whether we buy the official line or not, it serves their purposes either way.

      • Average Joe

        I just finished reading the article and it pretty much mirrors what I posted above. I am glad that others are questioning the motives and actions of ALL involved in this fiasco.

  • D Fayette

    And now we have a contaminated sea, where are all the environmentalist?

    • 45caliber

      It isn’t a contaminated sea. It is only adding food to the site. I’m sure the crabs and other bottom feeders will be quite happy to clean up the mess.

      • Average Joe

        Thanks for reminding me…I used to like seafood….YUCK!….No seafood for me for a while….glad I have some in the freezer.

  • J.M.R.

    I DONT BELIEVE NOTHING I HEAR FROM THIS WHITE HOUSE SCUM.

    • Christin

      JMR,
      Me neither.

      Since when do Muslims throw their dead in the ocean??? (cover-up)

      For all we know Osama Bin Laden is still alive and well living out his life somewhere OR has been dead for years as many have reported.

      I am even suspicious about the many death OBL announcements… maybe they made those up so America would stop looking for him and hunting him down, especially if he was working for the CIA as others have claimed. Whatever the truth is, it has sure been covered up for a reason.

      We haven’t heard any new videos from osama for years so maybe he has been dead for a while, but the news of his maybe death has given Barack Hussein Obama a small rise in his all time low ratings as the LIAR in Chief.

      Can’t figure out who would think BHO is a better leader of America now even with one bad guy down 100 million to go, since he is FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORMING us to a third world nation.

      The reason every one is making different assumptions about osama bin laden “dead or alive” is WE ARE LIED TO BY DC constantly and we are left to go to other sources to find pieces of info here and there and use our common sense.

      Whatever the truth is there are plenty of other Muslims and unfortunately Americans who hate us and want to take America down… We have slowed them down a liitle bit on some fronts, but seem unable to STOP their BIG NWO machine that we are forced to pay for through TAXES on our hard earned money.

      The REAL Wealthy, the multi-millionaires and the billionaires (g soros) get wealthier, NOT the so-called “rich” making $200,000 – $250,000… please. Do you guys know that 50 of the 60 Senators are millionaires. Their is nothing wrong with being wealthy if you are a good, responsible person who is not trying to create ‘finanical terror’ in America. Why Americans don’t call for G Soros to be removed from our country is beyond me.

      “Poor people work hard for their money, Wealthy people make their money work hard for them.

      • Kate8

        Christin – And the senators who are millionaires became so after taking office.

        Bribes, payoffs, investments in companies like Monsanto and the ones who got bailouts, special deals, and God knows what.

        Obama has become a multi-millionaire, too, the same way. Funny things is, the dems don’t see them as “the rich”.

        • Christin

          Kate8,
          I have also learned from some of Bob Livingston’s other e-mail articles that many “real” (not the pretend $200,000) rich people like coorporate businessmen and politicians invest in certain producing companies and get dividend checks monthly, quarterly or annually.

          Anyone with a little cash to invest can do it… but congress, this WH administration and the FED is making sure none of us regular guys ever get to achieve the American dream and prosper.

          You know it just astounds me that BHO killed the NASA Space Program (live in TX not so far from Nasa Johnson Space Center Houston) and HE is going to watch the last space flight take off…

          How do we tell our children now to dream to be astronauts and go to into space and discover new planets, galaxies and cures through science experiments.

          Cut NPR, Planned Parenthood, ACORN, NEA, FED, IRS, FDA, FCC, three wars, Petrobras, paying off foreign countries billions of dollars, and a multitude of other Leftist organizations that feed at the government trough on OUR TAX Dollars, but NOT Space exploration.

          What a Loser BHO is.

          • Carlucci

            Your suggestions are excellent and I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately they won’t come to pass because they make sense.

          • Kinetic1

            Christian,
            “Cut NPR, Planned Parenthood, ACORN, NEA, FED, IRS, FDA, FCC, three wars, Petrobras, paying off foreign countries billions of dollars, and a multitude of other Leftist organizations that feed at the government trough on OUR TAX Dollars, but NOT Space exploration.”

            OK, the wars are a given. We should never have gone into Iraq, Afghanistan should have been more like what happened on Sunday, and I don’t know what Obama is thinking with Libya. NPR gets about $5million, Planned Parenthood receives between $1.2 and $30 million (the discrepancy is due to indirect funding,) NEA comes in at around $140 million and ACORN is gone. Cutting the FED, IRS, FDA and FCC isn’t going to happen, Petrobras does not receive federal funding (and man am I tired of explaining this one to you folks) and on and on. Now compare NASA’s total budget of around $16 Billion and some of those “liberal” programs become a drop in the bucket, even when combined.

            I like NASA and I recognize that space exploration has the potential to bring many improvements to our lives. I also recognize the fact that killing planned parenthood would be disastrous for the health care of a large number of women, especially in poor and rural areas. The FDA has been cut over and over and oddly enough food born illness has risen, but that doesn’t stop Republicans from wanting to cut even more. We hear about the need to make cuts day in and day out, and they’re going to hurt someone no matter how hard we try. NASA just happens to be a non-vital program with big numbers.

            Maybe if we stopped playing these games with the numbers. Why does Paul Ryan’s plan call for big cuts to needed social programs while cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations? Does a corporation like GE who already pays nothing and even receives millions in “refunds” need another tax break? Is it right to give farm subsidies to Tobacco when we are spending a fortune on related health care and trying to stop people from smoking? Do big oil companies really need us to subsidize exploration while they make record profits? And while we’re on oil, why are speculators who have nothing to do with the oil industry allowed to artificially drive up the price of oil? I’d love to see the look on their faces if they were required to take possession of all that oil they “bought”.

            There are plenty of reasonable places to make cuts and increase federal income without gutting needed programs, and maybe we could even save NASA, but not as long as the wealthy, the corporations and their lobbyists have anything to say about it.

        • Christin

          Kate8,
          Speaking of obama… I saw that he made 1.7 million dollars in 2010… now if that isn’t a FAT CAT I don’t know what is…
          and he’s picking on some hard working stiffs that live their job 24/7 because they started a company and earn $200-250-300,000 and put much of that back in to the company to improve it and hire more people…jeesh.

          Let’s TAX the heck out of HIM and his Congress Cronies.

          Those naive girls that said they wanted “some obama money” aren’t EVER going to get it… maybe some TAX PAYER money if they are on the government entitlement dole.

          The FAT CATS live on WALL STREET, at the FED, g soros the “financial terrorist” to all countries, and most Politicians in Washington DC…

          • Kinetic1

            Christin,
            THERE YOU GO! Obama said himself that he doesn’t need to be taxed at these lower rates. He want’s to pay more, as do people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, but those wealthy Republicans don’t seem to agree. Paul Ryan is a millionaire, but don’t ask him to pay more. Nope, he wants to make big cuts in programs for the poor while giving himself a bigger cut. And how about those heros of the common man, Rush, Hannity and Beck. Rush is close to a billion, Hannity rakes in about $40 million a year and Beck is on Hannity’s tail. Do any of them promote paying more of their fortune to help there beloved nation? Are you kidding, they need to keep even more! It’s all part of their relationship with the common man.

            By the by, those who make over $250,000 make up just 5% of the population, so in relative terms they are rich. I know it doesn’t feel like it, and God knows housing in places like New York and San Francisco make it hard town a home and get by on anything less than $250,000, so maybe there needs to be a scale based on location.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Christin,
        As I said above, the only time a muslim can be buried at sea is if he died at sea and there is no land in sight!!!

        • Christin

          Joe H.,
          I didn’t know that, but I believe that. It doesn’t seem right to throw an Arab off a boat into the deep ocean when they live inland in the mountains, rocks, sand and such.

          I must have missed your post… thanks for telling me.

  • Candy2

    This whole affair of honoring Muslin burial tradition, is a crock.
    All it does, is cause more suspicion and doubts. This whole thing smells of the fishes Bin Laden is suppose to be swimming with.
    I truly hope it was indeed Bin Laden – but we will never be absolutely sure. This administration has been shrouded in secrecy, deception, corruption and lies.

    • http://personalliberty.com frank

      Transparency obozo said What a joke this liar in chief is!.

      • Bert Cundle

        POLITICANS ARE LIERS . . . Egotistical Maineaxs… Now, CONSPIRITORS… OUR GOVERNMENT needs an Overhaul!!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Remember that all liars, even when they tell the truth, are not believed.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Ah yes,the boy who cried wolf.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Also remember that through Black Science,a story can and will be modified until it is close to perfect for consumption by the masses.

    • Kinetic1

      Candy2,
      Those who are not willing to believe it was Bin Laden would be no more likely to believe if we had him in alive and in custody. Imagine the claims that it is a double, or that their never really was a Osama Bin Laden, but that he was always a puppet leader under the direction of the CIA (or some black ops group.) How about pictures? I’m certain that, had the President released the photos of Bin Laden lieing on the floor in a pool of blood we’d be seeing “expert” testimony that the bullet wounds were either Photoshopped or professional stage makeup. It doesn’t matter what this President does, there is a group of people in this nation that will find some excuse not to accept the official story.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What is wrong with you? Who says that America has to believe what we are told? Did you believe your parents in everything,your siblings, your teachers, your bosses?

        • Cawmun Cents

          Dont you love how some folks answer rhetorical questions?

        • Robert Smith

          From Nadzieja: “Who says that America has to believe what we are told?”

          Good question.

          Answer: The extreme right in America claims it has all the answers and for the answers they don’t have we should trust their god.

          Rob

          • Cawmun Cents

            Two parts of your statement are fallacies.First,claiming that anyone is “extreme right” would necessitate that you know the particular person well.Secondly,you propose that there are answers to every question and that someone else thinks that they know them. That would mean that you have telepathic abilities and therefore knew that these people who you accusing are in fact guilty of what you accuse them of. As for God,well that is a matter of opinion,and of choice.Dont put your petty suppositions off on someone else,and expect to be taken seriously,Mr. Smith.If you have reservations about something that someone has said then provide a decent reasoning without the obsurd accusations please.

      • karolyn

        Absolutely!

        • Jana

          Well, it sure is funny that we ALL believed we had Saddam Hussein. Why? Because we saw him.
          Personlly I do believe we got him, I’m just questioning why we had to hurry up and dispose of his body. Why give him an honorable Islamic burial? He was NOT an honorable man.
          Bin Laden was how old and he had a young wife of 20 with a 10 year old child? Hmmm Wife and child in the bedroom together sounds like this was their child, together. How old was this young mother when she had this baby?
          Pedophile comes to mind.

          • 45caliber

            Jana:

            Oblama SAID they gave him an honorable Muslim burial. Personally, I suspect it was more some sailor kicking him over the side with an anchor tied to his ankles saying something along the lines of: “Good riddance to bad rubbish.”

          • Kate8

            Jana – Seeing a photo isn’t proof of anything.

            As for Saddham Hussein, I saw the photo of him after being hanged. If you looked closely, you saw a mouth full of crooked teeth.

            If you examined earlier pictures of him while alive, he had nearly perfect teeth.

            So who did we really see? We saw what we expected to see, and what were supposed to see.

            I doubt that we are EVER told the truth about anything.

          • libertytrain

            Saddam is dead.

          • Kate8

            libertyt – And you know this, how?

            I’m telling you, the dead man they showed us was NOT Saddham. Funny how we’ll believe whatever they say, even to the point of overlooking the obvious.

            World leaders don’t really kill each other anymore unless they can’t cut a deal. Everything we see is orchestrated for our consumption.

            Maybe he’s dead, maybe not. But that photo was not him.

          • libertytrain

            knew someone that was there.

          • Kate8

            liberty – Not to belabor the issue, but that still only says that someone who LOOKED like Saddham died that day. He was known to have many doubles.

            Look. My family has several military people, even very high ranking. For the most part, those serving don’t ask too many questions. Unless one is very observant, they might testify that they saw Saddham die.

            But then, explain to me the dental work? The dead man had snaggly teeth. Saddham did not. If you have an explanation, I’d like to hear it.

            I’m not invested in it either way, but truth is truth, except when it isn’t.

            BTW, I still can’t get the smiley face to work. :)

          • libertytrain

            We don’t have to agree with this. I’m naturally going to go with my source, as I know them. I don’t know you. You choose to believe as you wish, that’s your right. And you did get the smiley face to work – good for you.

          • Kate8

            You just made my point. We believe what we want to believe.

          • Jana

            Kate8,
            Couldn’t his teeth gotten bad during the time he was in hiding, and even gotten chipped when they were capturing him? He looked pretty bad when they caught him.
            Just thinking here.???

          • Kate8

            Jana – No, it’s not like that.

            It’s not that his teeth just went bad. In the photos of the living Saddham, while he was in power, show a smiling man with perfect, straight, toothpaste commercial teeth.

            The teeth on the photo of the dead man are crooked, with overlapping front teeth (one front tooth slightly turned to cross in front of the other one).

            Now, I’m no expert, but I don’t see how anyone’s teeth can change that radically, no matter what. And if you really look at him, there were other anomalies, as well.

            Is it not possible that one of his doubles could have been sacrificed instead of him?

            Honestly, I don’t trust ANYTHING we’re told anymore.

          • libertytrain

            Of course, Kate. To have some random person say “the sky is falling” and say ok, I believe you because you say so, would be goofy to me. We still have a right to choose what we believe no matter what anyone else thinks despite them saying they are the correct one, which is also your point, I believe. You are unhappy because I’m not following your theory – that’s my freedom.

          • Kate8

            liberty – I don’t EVER expect anyone to take my word for ANYTHING. All I’m saying is that things are not always what they seem, and you can either care enough to do your own research, or just believe whatever you want to. We always have the right not to care.

            I believed it was Saddham until this was brought to my attention. It’s like 9/11, and every other event. There are those who are content with the official story, and there are those who find discrepancies too great to ignore.

          • Kate8

            BTW, Liberty, you just did what the liberals do. You couldn’t address the issue, the reason why I had questions, so you attacked me personally. You made it about me, which it never was.

          • libertytrain

            Kate — Good grief -

          • Kate8

            Ditto.

          • libertytrain

            and this is why there will never be peace on earth.

          • Kate8

            Libertytrain – Look. Forgive me if I offended you. But I brought forward what I considered to be a valid question, put to Jana, and you chimed in, dismissing me out of hand, with nothing more than “Saddham is dead”, and “I know someone”. Not once did you address the question in point, and you made it clear that you weren’t interested in any further evidence. Your mind is closed on the subject, and that is okay by me.

            This is what bothers me. That we are constantly told not to believe what we see, not to question, but to accept what we are told.

            I know that whatever personnel present at the hanging would have been debriefed on what took place, and what to say about it. That is standard procedure. That aside, until someone bothers to familiarize themselves with the rest of the information available, and can offer me a rational explanation, it remains, to me, unresolved.

            I wasn’t expecting that kind of response from someone I’ve come to respect. I thought we were here for discussion.

            Best wishes.

          • libertytrain

            I am at a loss as to why this is such an issue. No right no wrong, just difference of opinions.

          • Kate8

            Exactly, Liberty. It was you who made it personal.

          • libertytrain

            wow. May you find peace, I wish you no harm.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Kate8,
            I have a niece who has terrible looking teeth! She wears veneers on them and they look perfect!! As self centered as Saddam was, it is very possible he had them as well! He definately had the cash for them!!!

      • Average Joe

        Kinetic1,

        In seeking wisdom thou art wise; in imagining that thou hast attained it – thou art a fool.
        Lord Chesterfield

        Every man is a damn fool for at least five minutes every day; wisdom consists in not exceeding the limit.
        Elbert Hubbard

        You my friend(term used very loosely) have exeeded your daily limit 1000 fold.

        • Cawmun Cents

          “I was trying to think,but nothing happened”-Curly Howard

    • Carlucci

      Thank you Candy2 for pointing out the obvious. I cannot believe anyone would believe the lies that come out of D.C.

      Christian Amananpour announced on a Bill Maher program over two years ago that she knew where OBL lived in Pakistan. I saw it on t.v. yesterday. Then, Inside Edition interviewed Alex Jones who laughed his ass off over this hoax of “Team Six killing OBL, when nobody, not even the Navy Seals knows who or what “Team Six” is.

      I just got this today from Brasscheck TV. They seem to be one of the few on the planet who understand what is really going on:

      http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/1093.html

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Its Real..trust me. I met the Guys from Seal team Eight once in New London, CT. Nice guys.

    • Jana

      Candy2,
      I agree with you. Why did they have to bury him so quickly? 2 hours?
      Who prepared his body? Who performed the services?
      Personally I think he should have been wrapped in pig skin and dumped in the ocean.
      In Iraq they beheaded our soldiers, and in some cases took our soldiers dead bodies and drug them through the streets and then burned them. They would also hang some of their bodies from the overpasses of the freeway or on polls.
      I don’t advocate us doing those things, but burying him so very honorably seemed so important to this President why?
      In many ways Obama was more concerned about how Osama BL was buried, with full Islamic honors, than he is about matters of our own country.
      Just saying……

      • Bitter Libertarian

        They had to bury himn fast before Alibaba got there with his band of evil box cutter weilding terrorists riding their supersonic flying carpets…

    • JeffH

      Candy2, you just said what most od us think. Why, all of a sudden, should we start trusting this lieing “Marxist” now?

      Someons said it yesterday…”CHAOS”…”never let a crisis go to waste”.

      This will keep the masses quarreling while we(the POTUS)continue breakong America’s backbone.

    • JeffH

      JeffH says:

      Candy2, you just said what most od us think. Why, all of a sudden, should we start trusting this lieing “Marxist” now?

      Someons said it yesterday…”CHAOS”…”never let a crisis go to waste”.

      This will keep the masses quarreling while we(the POTUS)continue breakong America’s backbone.

    • Kate8

      Candy2 – This is the truth: I just read that Obama was given the Transparency Award…behind closed doors, in secret.

      This is not a joke. The only joke is that it happened.

      • Jana

        The other joke was he got the Nobel Peace Prize just for living.

  • Joe

    They should have buried him on the soil he died on, with a nice porker,that way it is bad ground for Muslims, they would not touch it.
    As a good suggestion, when it comes to building a Mosque in America,put a porker on the land they buy,and let it be known. They wont touch it!!!!

    • Kinetic1

      Joe,
      Why is it a “good suggestion” to deny any religion the right to build a house of worship in America?

      • Mary Kay Andrews

        Kinetic, I could care less where anyone wants to build a mosque, however, there are 100 mosques in NYC. Why do they want to build one at Ground Zero? Hmmm? After hearing the Imam ranting about America, I really believe that it is so they can do a happy dance on our demise.

      • Carlucci

        Because they don’t reciprocate, dummy. Just try building a church or temple in Saudi Arabia.

        Kinetic1, you are clueless…

        • Jovianus

          Carlucci…so you are saying we should be like they are/ That we should give up our principles and way of life to become like them?

          Interesting…

          • 45caliber

            Jovi:

            There is a LITTLE difference between us. Our religion doesn’t call on us to murder everyone else.

          • Carlucci

            Jovianus says:
            May 5, 2011 at 12:25 pm

            Carlucci…so you are saying we should be like they are/ That we should give up our principles and way of life to become like them?

            Interesting…

            Jovi – what is it with you libtards? I did not write those remarks.
            Stop acting your shoe size and putting words in my mouth. You have no idea what you are talking about, because my guess is that you have never lived in Saudi Arabia. I have. You cannot build churches or temples there, so why should we reciprocate and allow it here?

            Go back to your fellow ‘tards at MOVEON or ACORN…

          • Jovianus

            Carlucci:

            That is EXACTLY what you stated. If they don’t reciprocate, we shouldn’t either. In other words…give up our principles, our civilized way of life, and get into the gutter with them and be like them.

            Nice try to spin your way out of it, but hard when you try to deny what you specifically stated

          • Kate8

            This is the best solution yet.
            ———————————-
            In the name of tolerance…

            I am truly perplexed that so many of my friends are against a mosque being built at Ground Zero. I think it should be the goal of every American to be tolerant. Thus the Mosque should be allowed, in an effort to promote tolerance.

            That is why I also propose that two nightclubs be opened next door to the mosque, thereby promoting tolerance from within the mosque. We could call one of the clubs, which would be gay, ” The Turban Cowboy “, and the other a topless bar called ” You Mecca Me Hot ..” Next door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork, and adjacent to that an open-pit barbeque pork restaurant, called ” Iraq o’ Ribs. ”

            Across the street there could be a lingerie store called ” Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret “, with sexy mannequins in the window modeling the goods. Next door to the lingerie shop there would be room for an adult sex toy shop, ” Koranal Knowledge “, its name in flashing neon lights, and on the other side a liquor store called ” Morehammered. ” All of this would encourage the Muslims to demonstrate the tolerance they demand of us, so the mosque problem would be solved.

          • 45caliber

            Kate:

            I love it! Sounds good to me!

        • Kinetic1

          Carlucci,
          Gee, I was unaware that all Muslims live in Saudi Arabia.
          So what you are telling me is that no predominantly Islamic nation allows any other religion to be practiced on their soil? Let’s see, Indonesia is about 85% Islamic and 5% Christian. Pakistan has about 2,800,000 Christians, or about 1% of the population. Uzbekistan, Oman, Algeria, all are about 90% or more Islamic, yet Christians are free to live and practice there. If you want to practice hatred and bias towards other religions maybe you would be better of converting to Islam and moving to Saudi Arabia where, as you say they are less tolerant then we are.

          • Carlucci

            My neighbors are from Jakarta, Indonesia. They are Christians. They left Indonesia because they were being persecuted.

            Muslims are instructed by the Koran to kill the infidel. Guess what – that probably also means you…

          • Jana

            Wow Kintic,
            Maybe you need to start all over. In most Muslim countries they require anyone not being Islam ie: Christians and Jews to pay a land and poll tax because they are not believers. They also require them to wear certain colors, blue for Christian and yellow for Jews. Hmm sounds like what the Nazis did in Germany.

            The Qur’an, Shariah, and the Islamic terrorist attacks of the last thirty years, indicate that Islam is a totalitarian ideology engaged in an effort of world-wide conquest much like Nazism. The major difference being that Nazism was based on racial affiliation while Islam is based on religious affiliation.

            This is going on throughout most Muslim countries. They burn churches, they rape the wives and burn the husbands. They have annihilated entire Christian villages in the name of allah. Just because you have not heard about it Kinetic does not make it untrue.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Joe,
      your idea won’t work. they have a cleansing ritual!!!

      • Carlucci

        Yes, they do, but they could never accomplish the cleansing ritual in an airplane bathroom because there isn’t enough water.

        There’s always Plan B, though. Bury Mademoiselle Couchon somewhere in or around the property.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Carlucci,
          hell, just plant a picture of P-lousy there!! That should take care of it for about two or three centuries!!!

  • http://donnapedrey@htn.net DONNA PEDREY

    Curious the White House was so concerned about protocol about Muslim burial of a terrorist, but not very cautious about protocol when meeting Queen Elizabeth????? and embarassing America with their gifts and lack of manners.

    It is no wonder a lot of America believes Barrack is a Muslim. Why did he change his name from Barry Sortero to Barrack Hussein Obama? Isn’t that what all the Muslim converts do? like Casius Clay, who became Muhammed Ali, ad naseum?

    • Kinetic1

      Donna,
      Yes, why would a man decide to revert to the name he was given at birth? Makes you wonder about those women who would go back to their maiden name after a divorce. What are they trying to hide?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You are comparing apples to oranges.There is quite a bit of difference. Why divert the subject that is being discussed, namely Osuma bin Laden, of which we can say good riddance bad rubbish.

        • Kinetic1

          Nadzieja,
          Were you referring to me or Donna? I simply responded to a ridiculous suggestion that the President’s decision to return to his given name was a sign of his Muslim conversion. Was it off topic? Sure, but if you know anything about this site you should know that just about ANY story posed here eventually turns into an attack on the President. It seems to be the one topic that holds all these folks together.

          • Don

            kinetic1, then tell me exactly what you are doing here, with your liberal ideas why would anyone want to be here, except to bash people who love this country, go to cnn where you belong !!!

          • Kinetic1

            Don,
            “Bash people that love this country”? Really, is that what I’m doing? I came here to learn about Libertarian ideas and those on the right. What I have found is a sometimes lively discussion about political and theological differences, some areas of agreement and that many of you are so biased, so blinded by hatred for one man that you will believe any story, no matter how ridiculous as long as it supports your hatred. In this case I questioned the notion that a man reverting to his true given name was a sign of Islamic conversion. Boy, now that’s Patriot bashing!

            If it weren’t for those of us who are left leaning many of you folks would never bother looking for the truth behind some of the ridiculous accusations posted on this site. Sometimes you just need a mirror, no matter how much it hurts to look into it.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            Kinetic1..this is NOT a Libertarian Website…Libertarians & Modern Conservatives share some views, but not like we would 125 years ago.
            To some (sadly) Liberty is OK as long as they are “comfortable” with your “Brand” of Liberty. And as far a believing in a Creator who endowed everyone with Free choice….most want the Govt to regulate morality through the Govt, by Claiming that America is a Christian nation INCLUDING its Govt! Now I am not saying there arent allot of Christians ion America, but if they HONOR the Creator that made them, then they would honor the CREATOR having given everyone a Free will right or wrong…and allow them to choose their OWN morality. This is what seperates Liberty & Freedom from the Phoneys.

      • http://comcast the fisherman

        Sticks and stones will break my bomes but names will never hurt me. Suck it up . Names are names.

    • Cawmun Cents

      I am more concerned by his lack of compassion for folks around our own borders.If he and his administration gave half as much dignity to them as he did to Bin Laden,we might consider him a”good”president.

    • Jana

      DONNA P,
      What about his 20 yr old wife and 10 yr old child?
      He had an honorable burial and he was NOT even an honorable man. he was a murderer, he was evil, he hated us and was determined to destroy us.
      One consolation though, he was sent to the One True God, and he is a righteous and fair judge. Judgement from GOD means rewards or punishment.

      • 45caliber

        Jana:

        Speaking of his wife – I saw an article yesterday that said that he had his “favorite and youngest wife” with him. I wonder how old she was when he married her …

        • Jana

          If the child who was 10 was with them, wouldn’t a child be with her mnother when there is trouble outside? I am wondering that too.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            I saw a report that said they were mother and child her 20 and the child 10! that would have made her 10 when the child was BORN!!!

  • Wild Bill

    They neglected to mention that he was embalmed with bacon grease.

    • independant thinker

      After the bacon grease treatment they should have fed him to a pack of wild Jackels.

      • 45caliber

        I’d rather poison crabs than the nice jackals.

        • Cawmun Cents

          Or perhaps turn him into crackers and have him fed to the Ivy League Academics Home for Disturbed Liberal Progressives,or what we used to call the White House. Soylent Green Tea and crackers anyone?

  • richard liberator

    They cannot produce what they don’t have. There is no real reason to believe Obama and team successfully killed him. Fact of interest is: Trump was soundly pounding Obama. He desperately needed to survive.
    What greater way to restore his identity than open up the cryrogenics freezer and thaw out bin Laden who was killed several years earlier. Think about it. Obamas aide said they ‘should never let a tragedy go to waste’… or some such. Holding the frozen corpse of bin Laden for a most opportune time would be a brilliant way to play their ‘trump’ card. Now was the most needed time and they went ahead with their plan… filled with holes. The whole world can only take their word that it happened. As if that has any great merit to it….LOLOLOL.
    Ric

    • gataheart

      my sentiments exactly. they need another 2 or more years to ‘photoshop’ the ‘photos’. just like they took to produce a ‘birth certificate’. there is only one ‘truth’ about this Monk ..’his bc’ he finally produced, real or otherwise, proves he is not “natural born” and therefore NOT ‘A president’ and as such he should be removed. A PRECEDENT IS BEING ESTABLISHED. That being ..the Constitution ISN’T.

    • Eddie47d

      richard; Bringing up the old frozen dead guy routine again. What a crock! Is that Your “solid” evidence?

    • Kinetic1

      richard,
      Of all the conspiracy theories this is my favorite. If Bin Laden had been killed and put on ice back in 2003, then it would be Bush who was in charge. Are you suggesting that towards the end his Presidency when everything was falling apart and it was clear that Bush would be remembered as a failure that HE wouldn’t have pulled Bin Laden’s body out of the freezer? Do you really expect anyone to believe that Bush or his administration was saving him for Obama? If Bush had been the one to claim victory it might have swayed the election for the Republican’s in 2008. Do you really expect us to believe that they would have let the opportunity pass?

      • Robert Smith

        I just love the way the right is trying to claim credit for Bush in the tracking of OBL.

        Hey! If Bush gets credit for that then he should also take credit for trashing the economy.

        Rob

        • 45caliber

          Even Oblama gave him some credit for that.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            45caliber,
            nobummer gave him SOME of the credit for the economy?!?!?!?!? He gave Bush ALL the credit for it!!! Even the part that happened AFTER he was gone!!!!

  • http://none Karl Larsen

    It was clear something white was dropped off the side of a ship. What it was is anyones guess. I choose to say it is another Democrat scam to boost the Presidents lagging popularity.

    With the Stock Market going down every day now I have bought Silver in 10 oz. bricks to keep at home. I can buy things when the Democrats finally go broke and so do we.

  • Earth

    There was no corpse!!!
    That is why he had to be disposed off at sea.
    So that nobody can dig the corpse up to see if it was really Osama (Obama)Bin Laden.
    Those criminals are lying to us.
    They lie to us all the time.
    Obama, Busch, Blair, Gordon Brown, Clinton, etc.
    Liars, Shapeshifting Lizards!

    They pulled this deal off so that Obama can save some face, and to try and rescue the dollar.
    America is banckrupt!!!

    • Al Sieber

      That’s what I’m starting to think.

    • Kinetic1

      Earth,
      Yea, and those lying, stinking Navy Seals. You can’t trust them, can you? After all, you know how devoted the military is to Obama.

      • Cawmun Cents

        Actually

        • Cawmun Cents

          actually my reply can be found further down the thread.

  • Jovianus

    LOL … anyone would know the wacked Right would get all lathered up if anything they wanted was denied to them…they’d start yelling ‘conspiracy!” “Appeasement’ etc.

    Y’all just can’t stand it eh?

    The Birthers were slapped down…so now they start yelling “photoshop’d”…

    OBL was tracked down and snuffed using good intel and a gutsy call by the President (as he should have been before Bush ratcheted up the fears as he lied us into Iraq so his buds sould get rich)…so now they dust off discredited reports from pakistan from five years ago that bin Laden was dead back then…though they can’t explain the subsequent videos and the Bush WH saying he was still alive.

    Now they question the disposal of the corpse since it wasn’t displayed for all to walk up and look for themselves in some morbid twsited sick mindset.

    As well, they’re now complaining that the Navy SEAL team should have been more careful not to kill anyone as they raided an armed compound, in another country, to take down the world’s most wanted criminal. Nevermind we could have sent missiles in and blown the place sky high…nevermind the documents, 2 PCs, 4 hard drives and handfuls of disks and thumb drives/memory sticks we got.

    Now they complain about the US and NATO taking down Khaddaffy, a well known supporter of terrorism. Ironically saying we aren’t doing enough to take out terrorists, yet they support keeping Khaddaffy in power.

    And they ignore all economic reality, the failure of the GOP or anyone else to offer sane reasonable alternatives, and the fact the economy is coming back from abuse and incompetence of the prior GOP administration, and proclaim that we’re all doomed and they’re arming for a civil war if the American voters don’t decide the way they want it decided in the next election.

    Yet…they call themselves “patriots’. My question is…for what cause are they claiming ‘patriotism” for ’cause it sure ain’t for America.

    • Thamera

      really Jovi…why don’t YOU define patriot for us?

      • Jovianus

        Thamera;

        I’m still wondering what ‘government class’ you teach …as I stated in a prior posting the other day…my guess is teaching the Pledge of Allegiance to first graders and you thank your stars every day you don’t have to take a competency test (did you get that cite of the SCOTUS case which said treaties cannot override the Constitution .. despite your claim to the contrary?)

        I suggest you invest in a Webster’s Dictionary…you’ll find your answer there. Trust me, you don’t fit the definition ..

        • Thamera

          Jovi, if you must know, I taught a lot more than government and I will tell you what I told the 9th, 10th and 11th years in high school…I am interested in your opinion, not the definition out of a book, like a dictionary. However, I’m not the least bit surprised with your answer and complete inability to answer a simple question. I asked you that simple question for a very specific reason. You did not disappoint. But keep trying – grasping at straws rather. LOL :D

          • Thamera

            And btw Jovi, I am sure that elementary teachers everywhere would appreciate your slam on them as being incompetent or unable to pass a “competency exam” LOL People like you are sooooooo transparent.

    • 45caliber

      Jovi-anus:

      Why was it a “gutsy” call for Oblama, in Washington, to send troops into Pakistan to take out Bin Laden? Gutsy basically means brave. It didn’t take a bit of bravery for him to do that. I fail to see why you think it would.

      • Kinetic1

        45,
        Gutsy (as well as brave) is a relative term. In this case it relates to the political and international risk the President was taking. Had anything gone wrong his butt would have been on the line. Also, consider the fact that many on the right lauded Paul Ryan’s budget proposal as “gutsy”, “brave” and “courageous”. Do you feel that was appropriate? It’s just another show of political semantics.

        Of course the real bravery was displayed by our forces who carried out the operation and they have been recognized for that.

        • Jovianus

          Kinetic…thanks for answering to 45. I would agree with your statements concerning the “gutsy” call by the President (excepting the Ryan proposal. I wouldn’t call it ‘brave’ or “gutsy’…more along the lines of idiotic, or obvious payoff to his money people. )

          Obama put his political career on the oine on one call…trusting the SEALS in their skill, talent and training to pull it off. There were several options available, and Obama went for the Gold…

          And that, m’friend, is what true leadership is about.

        • 45caliber

          Kinetic1:

          If something had gone wrong, they would never had admitted Osama was there in the first place. It was too easy to cover up. There wasn’t any chance of a political embarressment for him. If you noticed it wasn’t even announced until they had plenty of time to make sure it was right. So your explaination doesn’t fly.

        • Don

          That’s a laugh, when does odumbo worry about anything the people want, all we want is the damn truth, is that to hard for you to understand !!!!

  • Mick

    Kinetic1,,,,

    Since when should we be require to RESPECT criminals and followers ?
    Respect is earned not given, liberals have been making a mockery of every meaningful words for decades, they have distorted the word respect to the point that people have no clue to what it means anymore and respect anything and everything remotely connected to what they call human including this piece of shift Bin laden.
    As for mending things with the Muslims, good luck, they will make you think that your Respect count for something and to get closer but it only will be to cut your throat………

    • Kinetic1

      Mick,
      There are about 1.6 million Muslims in the World. Their culture is rich with historic architectural, scientific and medical advancements that improved the lives of people around the world. Do you truly believe that the majority of these people were followers of Bin Laden? Was it really so wrong to respect (yes, I said respect and I know well what that means) the traditions of over 20% of the word’s people?

      • Carlucci

        Kinetic1, What in the Sam Hill are you on about now? Many cultures have done those very same things you mentioned, not just the muslims.
        Since you think they are so wonderful, why don’t you move to one of their countries and see how you get treated by them.

        • Kinetic1

          Carlucci,
          Of course they are not the only culture to bring so much to the world, but my point was that it is unrealistic to assume that such a large section of the world’s population would all be radical followers of Bin Laden. So many people on this site seem to be convinced that anyone who is Muslim is out to get us. You would think that Christians were getting their throats cut in every alleyway in America! Yes, Islam is on the rise while Christianity has been declining and I know that is of concern among many Christians, but I don’t believe that the cause is the mass murder of Christians.

          Many Americans are upset by the influx of Islamic culture in America, and I understand that. I also understand that many foreign nations have been complaining about the encroachment of Western/American culture for decades (if not centuries.) Not everyone wants Mcdonalds or a WallMart in their cities. Many parents are having a hard time teaching their children to respect their heritage and traditions because of the temptations the West provides. Is it fair for us to demand that they accept the spread of our culture (much of which most of the folks on this site likely disdain as much as they do) in their nations while we demonize those who bring their culture here?

          • Carlucci

            Kinetic1 – Believe it or not, two of my dearest friends are muslims. I met one of them when I lived in the middle east.

            I do not see all muslims as blood thirsty savages, and most muslims are like you and I. They want to go about their business, support their kids, and be left alone. But what are you going to do when a lame stream media propaganda machine keeps fomenting the idea that muslims are radicals at best and terrorists at worst? Now we have this fabricated (in my opinion) story about the killing of this so called terrorist.

            My suggestion to you is to develop some discernment, which is a god given gift to all of us. Things aren’t always as they appear.

          • Kinetic1

            Carlucci,
            According to Mick “As for mending things with the Muslims, good luck, they will make you think that your Respect count for something and to get closer but it only will be to cut your throat………” That is what I was responding to. I’m glad you don’t see the entire Isalmic world as Mick does, but there are plenty of people like him out there.

            As to the media, I haven’t seen the bias your describing with the exception of FOX and radio shows like Rush’s. In fact, people like Mick usually decry the MSM and don’t believe a word from CCBS or ABC, let alone MSNBC.

          • Carlucci

            FYI – Mick is a girl, not a guy.

          • Kinetic1

            Thanks for the FYI

          • Mick

            Kinetic1 says:
            May 5, 2011 at 3:06 pm
            Carlucci,
            According to Mick “As for mending things with the Muslims, good luck, they will make you think that your Respect count for something and to get closer but it only will be to cut your throat………” That is what I was responding to. I’m glad you don’t see the entire Isalmic world as Mick does, but there are plenty of people like him out there.

            As to the media, I haven’t seen the bias your describing with the exception of FOX and radio shows like Rush’s. In fact, people like Mick usually decry the MSM and don’t believe a word from CCBS or ABC, let alone MSNBC.
            *******************************************

            Kinetic1,,,I am sure that they are some good muslims just like we have some good in every race , religion and in just plain human beings, as for your comment about mending things with the muslims it didn’t include those people, our government and other governments don’t bother dealing with the common man and when respect is demanded it’s only directed to the ones giving us the most trouble.
            Quit generalizing everything I say…
            I will however will try to be more specific so people like you will not spread anymore falsehood just like the networks you
            ve mentioned above.

      • 45caliber

        Actually, I believe there are over a 100 million Muslims in the world. I think we have over a million just in the US.

        • Kinetic1

          45,
          Thanks for catching that typo. It should have read 1.6 Billion.

      • Chocoholic

        But they kept telling us that OBL was not a muslim. He was an extremist. So why the muslim burial?

        • 45caliber

          What is the real difference between a muslim and an extremist?

          • Jovianus

            45…I’d say teh same difference as between a christian and an extremist..

    • Eddie47d

      Bin Laden had at minimum a million followers. Showing dignity in his burial was only shown to keep those howling hounds at bay. Another good move by Obama in easing the tensions in the Muslim world. Some of you remind me of this 1969 movie I watched last night with Telly Savalas. The Hidden Lands where he deliberately provokes the towns people in believing the Apaches are killing white folks. When he was the one killing the whites to make it look like the Apaches were doing it. Some of you want to keep provoking the Muslims and grandstand on the killings to stir up trouble. So you have an excuse to kill even more. Waring thugs have used that trick to keep wars going for centuries. Even the Muslims do it so don’t you think it’s about time we changed our way of doing business and set a better course in history.

      • Thamera

        Eddie & Kinetic: The fundamentalist muslims don’t need to be provoked. Do either of you know ANYTHING about their treatment of their neighbors in the Sudan for example????

      • 45caliber

        Eddie:

        I remember a terrorist asked why they had attacked Israel when according to Muslim traditions and religious rules they were only supposed to strike back after being attacked.

        His argument was: “Well, we know that they are going to attack us in the future after we attack them. So we are only hitting back first.”

      • Chocoholic

        Saying that we must give bin Laden a proper muslim burial (which disposing body in the sea is not a muslim burial) otherwise we will stir up Muslim hatred against us, is an old tired excuse. Muslims already hate us, and our troops are already in harms way. We can’t stir them up anymore than they already are. There goal is Sharia Law worldwide.

  • marymack

    Osama has been dead for 9 years. Benazir Bhutto was killed shortly after telling the press he was dead. Dr Steve Piechenic worked for 5 presidents and worked with Osama and Dr Steve says he has been on ice. Teresa Heinz Kerry, Madeline Allbright, Walter Cronkite, and others have said it. Have you heard of cryogenics? Well, here is the future, Obummer’s polls sinking, Pakistan telling us to GET THE HELL OUT and BLAM. He’s been on ice and this is all a hoax to continue the PHONEY WAR ON TERROR. There are no terrorists, only governmental intelligence agencies creating such to continue the globalist agenda. 911 was a LIE and so is this fake new death of one of our favorite CIA operatives. Oh, hey, our intel is GREAT because 911 was a false flag, just like Osama’s resurrection and new death. Ask yourself this, Why would Navy Seals be used for this operation? LOL
    What a JOKE People. Put your flags down and use your brain before it’s too late.

    • TIME

      Marymack,

      You get it, as well a few others have too. It clearly displays how well trained the MONKEY TOOLS are. Thats no matter what box they claim there in.
      It’s alwasy nice to feel the LOVE of that small box afterall no one can get in there with them. It’s however human nature to want things tightly boxed, so I guess some of us have for a lack of a better term “EVOLVED” to a far higher level than the standard HUMAN MONKEY TOOL. Thank God for that factor.

      What you posted about Navy Seals, is 100% on target when we have a team called Delta / Black Ops for doing just such work, sure many are former Navy Seals, but really to even think that this was done by Navy Seals is utterly absurd.
      But that aside, lets look at a few other points of light.

      How is it that this unit shot an UNARMED person, these guys are trained to take hostages first, thus keep the kill ratio’s as low as possible.
      Let alone it took over 40 minutes to clear a compound that was guarded by three UN ARMRED men in the middle of the night while they were sleeping? That alone should raise red flags with anyone with gray matter that still sparks.

      Then these alledged Seals were able to take OBL out of the compound and do a Defined DNA test in less than 8 hours?
      Again anyone with a base knoledge of DNA test would know thats 100% BS.

      Then, to toss a body into the sea, why was that again?

      Non of this hangs together at all.

      I figure this will lend its self to a Nuke hitting a US City to allow this contribed war to go on. Then the FEDS can start rounding up anyone in the US whom they feel is a threat.
      Hell they won’t even need the FCC to shut down the internet at that point. As well to set in ML, and the MONKEY TOOLS will follow along like good little monkeys do.

      This is a prime method of also getting people to spy on each other not unlike what went on in Nazi Germany, everyone will be seeing someone who threatens them in some way. I sure hope you all don’t have neighbors who dislike you for any reason……..

      My God people ~ Please WAKE THE HELL UP!

      Your all being played……

      • 45caliber

        It all hangs together for me. I’m satisfied on this matter. Simply because his daughter is so indignant about him being “murdered” by Americans.

        • Carlucci

          45 – Osama Bin Laden’s daughter…..that just struck a chord with me. Remember the “story” (i.e. fabrication) back in the early 90′s of the Kuwaiti “nurse” who was allegedly the daughter of someone in the royal family of Kuwait, who appeared on the lame stream news saying that Saddam Hussein and his crew had taken babies out of incubators and left them on the floor to die? It was revealed later that it was a big fat hoax to get the US into the first Persian Gulf war.

          • 45caliber

            No, I missed that one.

      • Tazio2013

        marymack, Time and the few other awakened readers of today’s PLD;

        You may be interested in reading today’s Daily Bell:

        http://www.thedailybell.com/2225/Bin-Laden-Episode-End-of-Empire.html

        Editor’s Note: TOP US OFFICIAL: 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB …

        Top US Government Insider Says Bin Laden Died In 2001 & 9/11 A False Flag … Life is apparently more complicated for the power elite in the era of the “Internet Reformation.” An alternative news site run by Alex Jones is carrying a report that a top US government insider says Bin Laden died a decade ago and that 9/11 was carried out with the cooperation of the US government. Alex Jones runs a family of prominent alternative news sites including several that are highly controversial from a mainstream standpoint. On occasion, reports have had to be retracted (in much the same manner as mainstream sites) but presumably this report, given its high profile, is accurate both from Jones’ point of view and Pieczenik’s.

        Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, has told Jones that Osama bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job. He made the comments on the Alex Jones program.

        A story at the Alex Jones news site notes that, “Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a conspiracy theorist. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.”

        Ironically, the character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is based on Steve Pieczenik. Piecznek said, “He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it.” Pieczenik noted CIA physicians had visited bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai. “He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.” [DB Note: For the record, no such "complexes" were every discovered by NATO or US troops.]

        Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face, according to the article. “This is orchestrated, I mean when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you they just killed Osama bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago.” Both bin Laden and the false flag 9/11 event, according to Pieceznek, “were used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism.”

        During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name. “They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice among others as having been directly involved. “It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened.”

        • Carlucci

          I just read that article. Very good. Did you see Alex Jones yesterday on Inside Edition?

          • Kate8

            Carlucci – I find it kind of curious how the alternative and mainstream medias are now beginning to interact. It used to be that mainstream media barely acknowledged the existence of alternative media.

          • Carlucci

            I think they were attempting to make Alex Jones look ridiculous. They kept referring to his being friends with Charlie Sheen, who periodically calls into A.J.’s show. Didn’t work. Even though Charlie Sheen seems to have a few screws loose, he has a huge fan base. Plus, he is a major conspiracy theorist and has been for many years. Needless to say, I like both of them.

      • Libertarian

        you’re so right on, Time! That is precisely what i was afraid of during the Winter Olympics in Vancouver, with a “finger print” pointing to Iran!

      • Jovianus

        Time:

        You are slipping Sparky….your diatribes and allegations are on their face pure BS. Your posts are laughable for the ample display detailing your lack of sanity and reason. For instance, your ‘claim’ about the time required for DNA testing …

        Ummm..here’s something from one commerical testing lab (and I am sure the US Gov’t has better tech at its disposal)

        “We offer the fastest DNA testing anywhere. Need results the same day? We must know your samples are arriving before 9:30 am so we can hold up the early morning PCR (DNA amplification). ”

        But of course, we should believe your claim it can’t be done as quickly as it was…even though commerical labs can perform DNA tests within 8 hours time frame.

        As for your other claims…let me guess…you write for the Weekly World News for a living. Care to tell us which of the articles are yours?

        http://weeklyworldnews.com/

        • Kinetic1

          Jovianus,
          Are you suggesting that TIME and others like him on this site are not experts in everything? How dare you respond to their assertions with facts!

          • Jovianus

            Kinetic…I know. Pesky things those facts. They always seem to ruin a wacked Right wing rant and rave…

        • libertytrain

          unfortunately it’s jovi that slipped up today. What a joke. :)

          • Jovianus

            Libertytrain….and you can point that out where? LOL…good luck.

          • libertytrain

            Ask one of your other close friends.

      • Chocoholic

        I agree with you Time. The Obama administration has given us the most obsurd story I ever heard. And the story changes daily. Plus throwing their number one article of evidence, the body, into the sea?? Who does this unless there is something to hide. This story and the absence of evidence would never hold up in a court of law.

    • karolyn

      Since when is Pakistan telling us to “get the hell ou?” Do you really think they want to lose the income?

      • Thamera

        Since at least this morning karolyn…they have “warned” America now that any further raids like this one on Osama “will not be tolerated” LMAO! Ingrates!

        • 45caliber

          What are they going to do? Drop a nuke on us? Bad idea!

          The Muslims have been held under terrorism for about a thousand years now. They have grown up with the idea that if they don’t obey, their family will be killed. And to them, some tenth cousin twice removed is part of their family that they need to protect.

          Americans, on the other hand, don’t have that mindset. Instead, an attack on us makes us mad. And when we get mad, we aren’t afraid to strike back.

          Further, when they strike back they want to strike back at the person who did the dirty deed. We do too – but we are also willing to take out anyone who gets in the way.

          Their customs lead them to expect us to kneel down as they do. They can’t really understand it when we don’t.

          • Thamera

            Exactly 45…When I heard Pakistan’s “bravado” come across the news this morning I couldn’t believe it. I say it is time to revoke all funding to foreign aid!

          • 45caliber

            Thamera:

            We should never have started foreign aide. It is way past time to stop it. And we could come close to balancing the budget if we stopped giving away money.

  • Bert Cundle

    That is typical,,, They Should have captured him & Given him a Trial… I Know that the Government Has Witness Protection Programs…We Won’t even be alowed to witness any of his old Tapes, With Correct Translation!!! ( Wanted: DEAD Or ALIVE … “Assasinate”!)

    • 45caliber

      Bert:

      If they had brought him back alive, do you think that any jury would have found him innocent? And do you think the terrorists of the world would have resigned themselves to his fate and simply given up?

      Actually, I suspect those terrorists would have been very busy setting bombs all over the world in an attempt to force the US – eitehr directly through the US citizens or indirectly through allies screaming about all the murders of their citizens – into releasing him with appologies. By killing him, they have taken that ability away from them.

      • Bert Cundle

        It Might Surprise you: HOW MANY OF OUR ELEDGED FOES… WANT FAIRNESS!

        • 45caliber

          Not very many.

      • Kinetic1

        45,
        Well put.

  • DaveR

    I believe that US Navy SEALS conducted a raid that was successful in the sense that inhabitants of the attacked compound were killed. But how do I know that OBL was killed there? How did they obtain DNA results so quickly? And what reference DNA was used for comparison to confirm they had killed OBL? This could have been another case of mistaken identity, resulting in a raid on the wrong house [compound], e.g. that of some rich [for Pakistan] drug lord. Dumping the body at sea was a convenient way of forever shrouding this mission in secrecy and controversy.

    I see no reason to trust any words coming from BHO. He has been proven many times over long before this mission to be a liar.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      We would have to speculate that quite a few people were setting up one lie after another. These lies would be difficult to maintain for a long time. Do we really want to believe that our Seals were lying about OBL?

    • Eddie47d

      David R; I think within time someone will ask his wife or his many children if that was her husband or father. Yup,that was my dad! The Obama haters are in full force today and as wacky as ever. Then we have Mr Time spreading his 9/11 conspiracies trying to link it all together. As much as I dislike the CIA I don’t go to bed at night worrying about the next conspiracy like Time does and his full fledged paranoia. His attempt at brilliance is over shadowed by his relentless hatred of most everything. He’s become a mini-me Hitler, all self absorbing and vengeful. Irregardless of any facts that might get in his way.

      • 45caliber

        Eddie,

        His 12 year old daughter already has. She was quite indignant about the horrible Americans who simply shot him down. The Pakistani papers have the story which is also printed in the British newspapers.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        JFK wanted to shut down the CIA, Truman said that the CIA was acting like the “American Ghestapo”, and the CIA spent MONTHS in front of a House committe hearings regarding their assinations and WHO they got orders from. Its all well recorded, and well documented. The CIA was documented on the national geographic channel regarding their involvement in human experimentation of serin nerve gas and releasing (common cold) germs through NYC Subways systems.
        These are ALL well documented Facts about the CIA.

    • Chocoholic

      DaveR, that is the same thing I was thinking. That scenario makes a whole lot more sense than what the Obama administration has been telling us.

    • Kate8

      DaveR – What’s really astounding is that we keep expecting to hear the truth from a whole pack of pathological liars.

      We are told whatever the PTB want us to think, whatever serves their purposes. Nothing they say is real or true. And yet, we still keep arguing about which version of the lie is the real one.

      As far as believing our Navy Seals…there are always covert ops where the truth is never told.

      Sheesh.

      • Carlucci

        Hey Kate8 – I saw this today and thought of you. Remember the article from yesterday we were talking about? Check this out:

        http://mises.org/daily/5267/Why-Everything-Is-Dirtier

        I’m off to the hardware store.

        • libertytrain

          great article and a good old-fashioned hardware store is almost the only place to find it. I use it for another purpose in prepping stuff for the artwork I do. Now I will have more use for it. thanks so much!

          • Kate8

            Carlucci and libertyt – Does it have a brand name? Do I just look for trisodium phosphate?

            Thanks for the tip.

            I sure look forward to the day we can dump all of the controllers and be free to live again. These people are really starting to p*ss me off!

          • libertytrain

            usually it says TSP – don’t know the brand, I look for those words or trisodium phosphate and lately mine is in a container that looks like a 1/2 gallon of milk – the heavy paper wax containers -

          • Carlucci

            Kate8 – I found it at Ace Hardware. It comes in a plastic tub, small, medium, and large. The tub is red and white and says TSP. It was over in the paint department at my Ace.

          • libertytrain

            funny – I get it at ACE as well but it’s the old milk carton box for mine!

        • 45caliber

          Carlucci:

          Phosphates are what cleans things. But if I’m not mistaken, they were removed from detergents because they “pollute”. I’m not sure but I dimly remember reading that.

          • libertytrain

            the article carlucci provided was enlightening.

          • Carlucci

            That’s true. Commercial laundries can’t use it to clean clothes, but we can (at least for now).

  • Raggs

    It simply was done this way to keep everyone off the real issues facing us.
    If America watches the left hand they won’t see what is taking place with the right hand.

    • 45caliber

      That’s what they hope, at least.

      I love the way that Oblama is trying to take credit for this. According to other reports (not his) he was told they thought they had found Osama and wanted to take him out by the plan they provided him. And then he said that he had to “sleep on it” before approving it. It took 16 hours while the staff sat on pins and needles.

      What I suspect is that he had to get the okay from someone else.

      • Raggs

        yeah his master george soros had to give the final ok.

  • Kim

    marymack says:
    You are ABSOLUTELY right! Now, it is Soros telling his ‘Media’ to convince the American people and the world that what Obama is saying is the truth! And it is NOT – it is propaganda for campaign points for Obama. Does it not at least take 48 hours to get any DNA results back if not a week? Now, that the body was dumped in the ocean, no one can exhume it for proof positive. And when does a criminal against the USA get to be respected on his religious beliefs – He claimed he was NOT muslim. Shortly after invading Afghanistan – it was reported that Bin Ladin was ill and on dialysis machines – how long con you live being that sick and living in caves? I remember thinking to myself – he won’t last long and will probably die in a cave somewhere and no one will know the difference. The Media is doing a GREAT job TRYING to be so convincing, but I’m not buying any of it for a moment!

    • Kinetic1

      Kim,
      So you’re willing to believe the press reports that Bin Laden was on dialysis, but not that he was killed in a compound in Pakistan? Are you concerned about the truth or a need to have the “facts” fit your bias?

    • 45caliber

      Kim:

      No, it doesn’t take 48 hours to get a DNA sample analyzed. Most of that time is wasted on other matters. And, since they already had a sample (his dead sister) to compare it with, they didn’t have to worry about analyzing two samples either. All they had to do was have the computer compare the two samples – which takes minutes.

      At worst, it probably took about four hours. It certainly took less than the time it took to haul his body to a ship and dump it over the side.

      • libertytrain

        the story of the dead sister is being backed away from – even by ABC – and they apparently broke that story based on an unnamed source – unless someone found some sort of credence to it today.

        • 45caliber

          Oh, I’d bet money they have DNA from some close relatives. He had at least one brother in the US who left when 9-11 occured. It wouldn’t have been hard to get a sample from him. Or his son, who insists he wants to make amends for what his father did.

          • Karolyn

            He has a bunch of relatives in the US.

    • Eddie47d

      Kim;Soros has nothing to do with this Bin Laden situation so right there you are suspect in spreading your own propaganda or wherever you heard it from. DNA can be processed within 24 hours so you are mistaken again. There are even companies that guarantee processing within 24 hours if you are willing to pay a higher cost. Sure the stories about Bin Laden living in a cave were probably true at one time but not since 2005. That was Bush’s theory and his team concentrated too much on it. Bin Laden ended up living in plane sight and almost pulled off his rumor of death again. Obama outfoxed this mastermind of terror and we are grateful for Obama’s action. We do know this in no way will stop terrorism and I’m sure our military knows this too.

      • 45caliber

        “Obama outfoxed this mastermind of terror …”?

        Where on earth did you get that crazy idea?

        Oblama himself admits that the CIA found out the initial info when Bush was still President (some of that black ops). And the CIA found the courier and followed him. In fact, from what I understand, the first Oblama knew about it was when the officials handed him their package and wanted his signature to go after him.

        “OBOMA” outfoxed OBL? He had nothing to do with finding him!

        • bob wire

          No Obama didn’t out fox him, but he did “stay the course” and not allow other issues to side track him from allowing our forces to accomplishing a primary goal. “O” made the statement before being elected , he would not rest or allow Pakistan to interfere with the mission.

          Now if we can close GITMO and pull combat troops out of Afghanistan by 2012 he will be there for three. GITMO will be the most difficult it appears at this point.

          Considering it took 5 years to withdraw from Nam, 4 years will be record time.

          • Eddie47d

            45; That compound was built in 2005 and Bush wasn’t out of office until Jan 2009. He didn’t know squat or just plain dropped the ball.

  • Donald

    DNA evidence is the best possible identification. Photos can be faked and, in this day and age, prove nothing. Anyway, it is more imporant for Al Queda to produce the body alive, than it is for us to produce it dead.

  • Dale

    It’s entirely possible that this piece of baggage was kept in a freezer at this compound for the entire time, since his death. The team went in to prevent information on this from leaking out. Sure, the klilled the caretakers of the frozen remains, just like Bhutto was killed, and the rest of the world has a dead Bin Laden.

    We’ve been fighting this war since Hagai gave birth to Ishmael, and it ain’t gonna go away just becaue Barry didn’t show the pictures.
    We’re not going to be any more offensive than the folks who paraded our dead soldiers and private citizens in Somalia, and various parts of the Arab world.
    Barry needs to put up or shut up. This incident did not raise his image with me. If anything, it smells like he wanted to “reconnect” with the American People…

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So to redirect, did the Pakistanis near the compound know who was living in their midst? I have one source that says living among those people there are no secrets, so they knew.Whereas Americans tend to mind their own business, Pakistanis are budybodies,including the men.

      • 45caliber

        They probably did know. So?

      • karolyn

        Those interviewed have said the only people who had any contact with those in the compound were the neighborhood kids. They did all their shopping at the stores right on the block; and none of those interviewed had any idea. Apparently, it is common to find people living behind walls with guards.

        • Cawmun Cents

          You then assume that whoever was interviewed was a person of integrity,and more importantly that they actually were who they were portrayed to be?Media matters.

          • Karolyn

            Well, Cawmun, there are crowds of people around the place; and they were just picking random people on the street.

        • Cawmun Cents

          So you are saying that in a metropolis setting,that a compound with 18 ft. high walls is not seen as an obvious hideout?You must then presume that all Pakistani folks are stupid.Better yet a building with people in it in a country where folks commonly touch each other to greet one another,there are folks who never come out to be seen in public,and you dont think there was any curiousity at all?That seems a bit odd dont you think?In America you might get away with that since everyone here is into their own privacy,but in Pakistan?That is why it is highly suspect that the story pans out as reported.A city with lots of retired military,can house one of the worlds most sought after persons,and nobody knows anything?You are chewing on parkerized kool-aid if you expect a sane person to believe that story.

    • 45caliber

      As far as I’m concerned, it was him simply because his 12 year old daughter said so. She wasn’t trying to identify him; she was complaining because they executed him.

    • bob wire

      “This incident did not raise his image with me. If anything, it smells like he wanted to “reconnect” with the American People”

      Well, I certainly fell to see any show boating on “O”‘s part but simply doing the job we sent him to Capital Hill to do. That it “offends” you he’s had some success, he & I have no control over.

      But if it’s as you say, “suggesting some reconnecting” as to suggest there is some “disconnect” ~ these people (and you) are “disconnected” regardless to what “O” says or does making any appeasement wasted effort on the administrations part.

      You make this oh so very clear with your posting do you not?

  • http://Personalliberty Tony

    To Everyone here:
    You know, i’m a conservative myself, but all the paranoia and conspiracy theories i’m seeing here is ridiculous. Come on people lets get with reality!! This was a good move by the president to have this fool removed. This is what BushI should of done with Saddaam Hussein in “Operation Desert Scam” part one. Instead of committing troops to kill 250,000 people, the equivalence of the pop. of my hometown. Next, when you individuals act like this, you take the heart
    out of rational conservatives who want legit. change. Thus, not to be
    rude, but everybody on this website need to end this bizarre theories,
    then start growing up. Therefore, we can become a viable alternative to the hypocrical liberal medium. Thanks!!

    • bob wire

      Well stated Tony, ~

      it is what it is. ~

      The trash has been dispensed of and there is nothing to draw the flies.

      If people wish to believe this man is up and moving about, I really don’t care.

      If some find the disposal at sea odd, I really don’t care.

      It’s time to move forward and we will move forward.

      Bush and Chaney avoid criminal indictments purely for the reason that we needed to move forward, exposing the “unknown” or hidden truth was not that important.

      So this is not the first time we’ve been torn between the desire to look back and urgent need to move forward.

      Let it go, it serves no meaningful purpose.

    • Cawmun Cents

      Wow you really have us convinced that you are a conservative Tony….haw!

      • 45caliber

        Well, he is more conservative than Olbama – barely.

  • http://Personalliberty Tony

    To Everyone again:
    A couple spelling corrections. One hypocritical, and these bizarre
    theories not this. Alright, thanks again.

  • guest

    The biggest problem with an Obama adminatration is frankly i don’t trust the guy or his cohort’s. He has lied too much and too smoothly. The fact that Obama’s approval rating was in the tanks and he had to do something drastic to change that is very telling. Just knock off a guy america hates. I was listening to the former prime minster of pakistan who stated Osama died years ago of kidney failure/killed.She herself was killed shortly after she made this announcement. How in the world with gas and food prices and other commodities going skyhigh can obama’s approval rating increase? If Obama is relected say goodbye to anything good about your life and your country.

    • 45caliber

      Well, Revalations does say that prices are going to get so high that it takes a day’s pay to buy a loaf of bread.

    • bob wire

      Biggest problem? So exactly “who” do you trust today?

      you have some options to share with us?

      • Thamera

        Well bob w., it certainly isn’t the government! Truth is absolute. It never changes. If you look hard enough, you can find it, and it certainly isn’t sitting in the WH. There are 12 principles and 9 values that hold truth for me just for starters…

        • bob wire

          So~oo , do you trust Wall Street or big business?

          and if not, which do you trust less, government, Wall Street or business?

          Somewhere down the line, you must trust someone ~ but this trust requires validation, verification and some track record would be helpful.

          I trust what I control and sadly I don’t control a lot.

          • Thamera

            bob w. I’m not trying to be rude, but if you knew what the 12 principles and 9 values are then you wouldn’t ask that question. You would already know the answer…which in part is “no, I blindly trust no one.”

      • guest

        Let me reiterate our biggest problem. We can not trust anyone in our government. Not Obama..not our justice system..not our congress..not our media..not even Fox news. Everyone has an agenda..it’s all about them..self sacrifice is not taught anylonger. Those values you and i grew up with no longer exist..it’s all about me..mine..myself.The average american now feels they are intitled to the best there is. Our current congress is a perfect example..they deney a cola for the eldery yet give themselves one. Michelle obama tells us we must give up our piece of the pie so others can have more. yet they live high on the hog and its always about someone esle giving up something.Not them! Congress gets to enjoy the fruits of OUR labour while telling us we must have a crappy healthcare system and they get the very best..off of OUR backs. We are ripe for a american revolution. Yet america we allowed this in our governemnt for decades. This utter depravity in our country did not happen overnight.

        • Thamera

          Well said guest and the evolution of where we are today is not anything new. Scottish historian Alexander Tytler (who lived during the time of the founders) outlined the evolution of society and his predictions, based on the rise and fall of all societies throughout history are pretty much accurate and coming true with every passing day.

    • Chocoholic

      Yes, there was a lot of pressure on Obama in the last few months. His poll numbers were tankiing, inflation starting, Libya a mess, Trump pressuring for Birth certificate, and most of Americans believe he is not an American. So Finally he produces a BC, but experts say it is obviously a fake. More pressure mounts about his birth certificate and his destruction of our country. He was becoming a laughing stock. So he goes and gets OBL, which I’ve read they knew was in that compound since August of last year. He chose to do something about it now, to save his re-election and reconnect with the American people. Now I think possibly this was not OBL that they gunned down, and to save face they throw the body into the sea. And refuse to release any pictures. If they don’t release pictures of OBL because they don’t want to stir up terrorists, why then did they release pics of the other men laying in their own blood that were shot at the same compound.

      • Eddie47d

        Chocoholic;” Most believe Obama is not an American” You lost your point right there since that isn’t true. Nice smearrrr!

        • Chocoholic

          Eddie, you must not have seen the polls shortly after Trump was pushing for the BC. I did see those polls, and most Americans had questions regarding Obama’s eligibility. Trump was really gaining traction, and Obama needed to do something. And going after OBL in Pakistan, who they knew was there since last August, was the perfect thing to do to save his presidency. Now he looks like one of us and is a hero to the gullible.

          • Eddie47d

            There is no MOST! Birthers are definitely not in any majority.

  • Kim

    Sadly, you are right, guest. Tony, you are one of the ‘everybodys’ on this website to.

  • Rennie

    If they were determined to kill him rather than capture and interrogate him, why didn’t they just use a bomb or missile and not give away stealth helicopter technology? By giving him a proper muslim burial they simply assured his final goal of dying a martyr instead of from disease, the Pershing method of discouraging martyrdom would have been better. If have no doubt they killed Bin Laden, it was a stupid thing to do if they could have winged or tranquilized him instead, and thus what I expect from this President, the stupid thing. And again. Keep in mind OBL was a sunni, Obama is clearly on the shia side. And now Al Qeada can disappear, Obama can claim victory, and all those Al Q fighters can return home to a Saudi Arabia alienated from the USA (as OBL always dreamed of, ironically it was Obama who drove in that wedge). Those former terrorists will now be called patriots defending their country and Bahrain/Pakistan from teh USA/shia alliance, as well as fighting to keep the shia governments in Iran and Iraq unstable and to keep India from dominating Afghanistan, and Obama is going to keep our troops in the crossfire, fighting for shia interests. Did I forget to mention OBL’s long held dream was a nuclear attack on the USA, and that Pakistan has around a hundred or more and has bought more centrifuges to produce more fuel? Just a coincidence, I’m sure.

  • 45caliber

    Two comments here:

    Despite Graham’s comments, you don’t need the body to determine if it was really him. All you need is a DNA sample – which they said they got.

    Second, I REALLY hope the sailor who put the body into the shroud and helped dump it overboard thought to add a few slices of ham for the soul to enjoy in the afterlife. (I am quarter Indian after all.)

    • bob wire

      Being a Quarter American Indian comes with privileges 45, I trust you have used them? If not, you should.

      • 45caliber

        bob wire”

        The “privilege” I have is that I’m an American citizen. That was good enough for my ancestors (including the Indian ones) and it’s good enough for me.

        • Thamera

          That’s awesome 45, would that more people should think like you!

    • Chocoholic

      45Caliber, you say, “they say they got DNA evidence.” So you are going on faith alone. This administration has said alot of things that were not true. Why would you believe them now? Where is this DNA? And who performed the test?

  • Kate8

    There is something no one has considered, and many will choose to scoff, but this is what I heard from someone who studies and monitors the world elite and the MIC:

    That OBL’s supposed death occurred on Mayday, an occult festival requiring human sacrifice (whether real or perceived), and/or…

    It’s a signal for something to happen.

    These big events always fall on auspicious numerological dates, which have great meaning to the occult elite.

    I don’t believe any of it. Most likely this was planned in advance, sloppily I might ad, with the usual knowledge that the sheeple would be none-the-wiser. For those who would question, it only serves to further the confidence crisis the people are in with this gov’t.

    BTW, when asked if this person thought Obama would be re-elected, his reply was, “I believe he will remain in office as president”. I found it interesting that he did not say “re-elected”.

    • 45caliber

      Kate8:

      I’m not sure he will be reelected. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit to see some crisis come up just before the end of 2012 that will require him to remain in office until the crisis has been solved – sometime about twenty years from now.

    • Eddie47d

      More useless conspiracy theories that only damage your side. Don’t you get tired of doing that to yourself?

      • Kate8

        eddie – This, coming from the king of useless rhetoric?

      • Kate8

        You know, I am ever amazed at how people, who have never bothered to look into anything outside their extremely limited scope of reality, choose to deride those who have dedicated years of intensive research. Just because something seems unrealistic to the uninformed, doesn’t mean it is without merit.

        If you check it out, you will find that all false flag events throughout history have fallen on significant numerological dates, and/or at particular planetary alignments, and they were for one purpose: to alter the perception of the masses.

        Doesn’t anyone get how insane it is to expect truth from a world of utter deception and lies? We are empty heads walking down a yellow brick road in the land of Oz. The only good thing is that, at the end, the men behind the curtain must reveal themselves, unwittingly, and be caught in their own snare.

        There is SO MUCH information available, by people who have had boots on the ground, and who offer substantial evidence to back what they are telling us. We dishonor them by blowing them off.

        Things only seem implausible to those who are ignorant of the facts in evidence.

      • JeffH

        Usless rhetoric from 47D. Here(47D) is a “mindless MONKEY fool” who is constantly making comments as if they were indisputable facts and has the nerve to acuse others of trying to be a “know-it-all”.
        As his buddy jovi-commie would say…JEESH!

        • Eddie47d

          Thank you Nostradamus and all of you playing with your tarot cards. Go back to aligning the stars Jeff and that wishful(un) thinking. Everyone born so far is part and parcel of these wicked schemes as you seem to be saying. You will try to tie all these people and events together. Come hell or high water. geesh!!!

          • JeffH

            …the shoe fits you well…

          • Kate8

            eddie – Go play with your toys. It’s obvious that you aren’t ready for grown up dialogue.

          • S.C.Murf

            Fast eddie you are starting to get the geesh down pat just like jovbob. Are you guys twins or just the same person?

            up the hill
            airborne

          • Eddie47d

            Not when it comes from escapees from the insane asylum.

          • Kate8

            eddie – More Saul Alinsky, heh?

            Label those in opposition, those who see what’s going on, as insane.

            Nice try, eddie. Too bad for you that we get it.

          • Eddie47d

            No you don’t Kate because you come up with theories not facts.Nice try though!

          • Kate8

            Nice try again, eddie.

            Not even you can claim to know FACTS. We know what others have written. Period.

            It is up to us to sift through all of the research and information others have garnered, and try to fit the pieces together. When we all contribute, we get a better picture.

            Unless, like in your case, you just buy the official gov’t line. Apparently that is enough for you.

            But I’m the looney one. Heh heh.

  • Cawmun Cents

    I find S.E.A.L.’s trustworthy for sure.But the others that were previously listed,not so much.I do not find a conspiracy theory in what is alleged to have occured,yet the way it was done is certainly suspect,dont you agree?As was previously stated by another poster,the package is too neat and clean for my taste.Does that mean I doubt he was killed?Not really.But they way it is marketed is what I find odd.The people who surround our POTUS,seem to want us to believe everything the POTUS claims without need for evidence.Do they assume that we are that naieve?Do they think we are all wet behind the ears, college age,potential voters? Is that the demogaphic that the average citizen is thought to be?Or are those types the only ones they are trying to convince of his great character?Either way they may be causing the doubt by their actions.There will always be doubt to the sincerity of a politicians actions.But why do you care if we doubt?

    • Eddie47d

      C.C. There is nothing wrong with having doubts but some of the commentators let pesky lies and hair brained conspiracies get in the way.The “truth” is dissected so much there is no truth. That is the harm being done to our nation where no one believes anything and doesn’t trust anyone. That is the real danger.

      • Cawmun Cents

        For once Eddie47d I agree with your statement.I know….weird isnt it?

        • Kate8

          eddie and CC – This, too, is by design.

          It’s right out of Saul Alinsky. Create a crisis of confidence of the people toward their government.

          Can’t you see how the continual, conflicting accounts of literally EVERYTHING is another blow to the heart of America? We are reacting exactly as intended. But how can we do else, when we instictively know that we are being bombarded with constant lies, and even outright idiocy? How many things go on that make no humanly sense at all? Don’t you see that things are INTENDED not to make sense, but to create massive mind-boggle?

          • JeffH

            Kate8, BINGO!

          • JeffH

            BINGO!

          • Chocoholic

            I say Bingo too!

          • Eddie47d

            All your minds are boggled beyond repair and you are the ones doing the boggling!

          • Carlucci

            I say Bingo three.

          • Bitter Libertarian

            As a child I was given 1500-2000 piece puzzels. It required Time, attention to DETAIL, dedication, and effort. A few other skill sets as well.

            Some obviously were challenged with the alphabet blocks…..those are the ones who intelectually cannot compute how complex puzzels are assembled, and understand the adjenda of the wealthiest people in the world.

            I am ridiculed for understanding…Zombies are rewarded for compliance. :)

          • JeffH

            BL, well said.

          • Eddie47d

            BL; I loved those pitcher puzzles as a kid too. My family and I play scrabble every month.Some of this newer technology does baffle me at times.

        • Cawmun Cents

          I am very sorry Kate8,but I have never heard nor read Mr. Alinsky’s proposals.My distrust for everything gubmnet in nature comes from the broad swath of red on my neck.I have done my share of things attributed to liberal thinking,but I just could never stomach the actual being that way.I have probably ingested more LSD than the Beatles,and definitely smoked more weed than Cheech and Chong put together.So I can see where these folks are coming from.I have been there right next to them in the trenches.I was a Teamster for twenty years,and no surprise,they railroaded me out of a job.I dont hate unions,but I do have experience with them.Having been(leaning over to anyhow)on the other side of the fence at one time I think I have a unique perspective.But I dont necessarily think it is a perfect one.I just know I feel more at home around conservative folks and God loving Christians than I do around Godless Liberal folks.I have my share of both as friends,and I love them all dearly.I have been ostracized by my liberal friends as a social pariah,but curiously never by my conservative Christian friends.I was a bad boy once in my life.But now I am a bad boy who is forgiven.Thank the LORD JESUS CHRIST for that.I was going to be the next international marketing wiz kid coming out of college,but when I found out that I had to cut heads and kiss backsides to accomplish that feat,I reliquished my dream to the dustbin of life experiences.Now I find my nation is undergoing a transformation that I couldnt see as being legitimate, though I have a business,and an organizing background.Conflict it seems is in my nature.I hunt and fish,but yet I have an extensive book collection with volumes from the mid nineteenth century among them.I love dragracing,and nascar,yet I also enjoy astrophysics.It isnt as if I dont understand where these liberal folks come from,as I live side by each with them here in California.But the way they think just dont add up to what I know.

          • Kate8

            C C – I hear ya. I’ve lived in CA my whole life, and got sucked into the liberal mindset when I was younger, as well. That’s what makes it so easy to read them…I know how they think. Things don’t have to make sense, they just have to be ideologically acceptable to them.

            Thank God my parents, while democrat, were conservative. They taught me values that kept me out of trouble and allowed me to retain my common sense, so I was able to find my way home.

            I’ve always been one to ask questions. I want to know the truth, no matter how repugnant. Knowledge is power. There is no way to avoid deception if you are content in ignorance.

            God bless, and Godspeed.

          • Thamera

            Likewise Kate8 & CC…been there and done that already hehe. Well, not “all” that like CC, but as for politics yes and I think it does give you a unique perspective. It’s kind of like having kids. If you don’t have kids, you really don’t know what it is like to be a parent until you have walked in those shoes. I am very grateful for my unorthodox upbringing as well as the opportunity to travel around the globe. It has all helped shape who I am today and that is certainly not the same person I was 20 years ago!

  • chuckb

    killing osama bin laden will be one of this administrations biggest mistakes, he should have been brought out alive and faced trial for the whole world to see, then executed. of course barry will drag this on for as long as possible and like everything else he has done will be clouded with conspiracy and lies. this man is such a fraud it’s hard to believe anything he says or does. unfortunately there is a large segment of sheep who want to believe he is their messiah.

    • Eddie47d

      A trial would have dragged on for years and become cannon fodder for the extremists. Bin Laden could have shown that our meddling in the Middle East proved the anger that swelled in the terrorist thus garnering sympathy. I would say you are the one trying to drag this out for political hay. There also would be the chance he wouldn’t be executed but giving al Qaeda more hope for their hero. Look how the Guantanamo detainees garnered sympathy (and in a few cases rightfully so) and also that blind Egyptian Sheik that was held in our prison.He kept his followers poisoned even from prison.

      • Cawmun Cents

        As I stated in an earlier post Eddie47d,the assuption that he COULD be taken alive would be necessary for those conditions to occur.

      • Bitter Libertarian

        Perhaps..But I look at History and I can offer a twist for your review;
        How many MILLIONS died at the hands of the “Key” nazi’s who did stand trial!?

        How many Died at the hands of the Japanese war criminals, US AND CHINESE…(rape of NANKING, etc) yet the Japanese War criminals didnt stand trial. (There were enough to justify this)

        NO TRIAL = Post war Alliance

        You can try to find logic all day on both sides of the arguement and both have merit. But the decision was made based on Political ALLIANCES. THINK that one over and you just may discover where the politicians will take us in the next FEW YEARS ;)

        • Cawmun Cents

          First I suppose you would find it a necessity to understand the Axis’s propensity for suicide.Japanese would die rather than disgrace the emperor.And Nazi’s,well,they were too gutless to face up to their crimes.Most of them either shot themselves or bit into a cyanide capsule.So in effect the argument that UBL could be taken alive is not linked to the Axis,and the suicidal tendencies of its operatives.

  • richard toes

    They should have done an autopsy on him. Especially targeting his brain, assuming he had one.

  • Sue

    Until I see that it was really him, I will not believe he is dead. I spent days glued to the tv when 9/11 happened, watched in horror. Thought of the thousands of those no longer on this earth. Because of the miserable excuse of a human being (Osama Bin Laden) I have heard so many lies out of the White House that I do NOT believe anything they say! Show the photo Obama of Osama.. scary that their names are so much alike!!

  • nick beck

    we would be better off if they had made a slight mistake and nailed g. soros instead thats the head of the octopus thats damaging our country and if you only kick him out he will continue his game from another place. he is proud of the fact that he turned many of his own kind over to the german war machine dur. ww2 there certainly must be an aging family member that could bring justice to this chapter and at the same time do the free world a big favour….

  • Lostwages

    All of this, yes we killed him, no we didn’t, we dumped him in the sea with honor, who cares, really, give me a break! This is all being put forth for our entertainment! We are so busy battling over a dead man and all the time we battle on our country goes farther down the drain! Trump puts heat on Obama, Obama throws a Photo Shop birth certificate, gets pined down over it and proclaims to kill a dead man to get away from it! Now we all sit here telling each other how we showed the world how nicely we treat our enemies and show them respect when we kill an unarmed man and dump him in the sea! How pathetic! The rest of the world thinks were a joke that we sit here and buy off on this garbage! One terror group even stated that Bin Laden was dead years ago, and the best we can decipher is that we dumped him in the sea with honor! We attack other countries that haven’t attacked us and it’s all done without the approval of our congress! China owns a good percentage of America and at the same time we continue to borrow money from them to give it away to other countries, including Russia and China! As we stand in security lines to be body scanned and have some jerk put his hand down our pants, our borders are wide open and the government gives drug cartels free guns to shoot our border agents with! We let the Federal Reserve take our tax dollars and give it away to overseas banks and wives of the heavies in the stock market while we end up on the street as we lose our homes to the bankers that have sold the notes to China! How about our honor, when we go belly up and our country turns into a third world nation! I guess we can all sit here and write how we showed the world some more “with honor”! If we still have the internet to do it on or we have enough money left to pay for it! What a bunch of sheep we are! This is pathetic, do we even deserve the right to have what our forefathers fought so hard to give us! We may soon find out!

    • Chocoholic

      Good post!

  • J.R.

    So let me understand this. We give OBL a precise and honerable Muslim burial. However, when they kill our people they drag them behind their cars, hang them from a bridge, and light them on fire. Come on people, the political correctness is obsene. This man has killed thousands upon thousands of innocent people. If you know anything about the Muslim religion, it is not tolerant of anyone who is not Muslim and non believers should be killed. In addition, the Muslim’s will only stop the aggression if they fear us. I do not think that the OBL mess put much fear in them but once again showed the weakness of America.

    • Karolyn

      As i posted earlier, we’re SUPPOSED to be better than them, though you couldn’t prove it by some of the posters here.

  • Kate8

    J.R. That was one of my first comments about this. Why do we give a rat’s behind about Muslim custom? The obvious answer is that it’s just another lie to cover another lie. It makes no sense.

    Consider this also: Obama is the perfect bridge between the European global elite and the Muslim world, as was Hitler. What better forces for their purposes than to rally Islamic armies to a war frenzy, to help carry out their plans for world dominance?

    What makes it even more perfect is that such large numbers of people in the so-called free-world are also supportive of him. Just as they were with Hitler.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      I agree 100%! Look at History, I offer a twist for your review;
      How many MILLIONS died at the hands of the “Key” nazi’s who did stand trial!?

      How many Died at the hands of the Japanese war criminals, US AND CHINESE…(rape of NANKING, etc) yet the Japanese War criminals didnt stand trial. (There were enough to justify this)

      NO TRIAL = Post war Alliance

      You can try to find logic all day on both sides of the arguement and both have merit. But the decision was made based on Political ALLIANCES. THINK that one over and you just may discover where the politicians will take us in the next FEW YEARS.

      THAT ALONE has terrible Biblical Implications that cannot be ignored.

      • Kate8

        Bitter L – I believe that you are exactly right about that.

        The only code these people follow is “any means to and end”.

        Once you begin to uncover the different aspects to all this, it starts to add up in a really diabolical way. Unless one takes the time to dig and cover multiple sources (and it DOES take a lot of time), you can’t begin to understand how deep and pervasive this is, and how long it’s been going on.

        If people several decades ago were to be told that we’d become a society of complete central mind-control, they’d never understand how that could be possible. Yet, it was predicted and prophesied, not just centuries ago, but millenia ago.

        As a young girl, I wondered how the Soviets could live in a land where their information and their lives were totally controlled by the government. Well, now I know.

        • Karolyn

          Oh, c’mon, Kate, we’re a long way from Soviet Russia!

          • Thamera

            I know you would like to believe that karoln. Have you ever listened to what people who have lived in the former eastern block have said about the current state of affairs in America? Perhaps, you have listened to the President of Czechoslovakia? I’m going to guess that you haven’t, else you would realize that we are much closer to becoming like the USSR than you realize…

          • Kate8

            Thamera – Yes. I know some Russian immigrants who are heartsick at what’s happening here. They left their homeland for a freer life, and we are becoming the place they left.

            karolyn, your Pollyanna attitude might be cute in a young girl, but it is unbecoming a grown woman of some intelligence.

            But then, we’ve been here before. There’s not much else to say.

          • Kate8

            karolyn – I guess my point is, there is a fine line between being an optimist and being a fool.

        • nw

          I agree with you, I have been reading, researching and what I have found sickens me. But my repulsion for Obama is what led me to research so I guess it’s a good thing. The history books need to be corrected to expose the criminals from before the depression. We take everything as truth from the government, the press and tv. They are all sleazy bed partners with one agenda and that is to become a socialistic society with the select elitist running the world. I consider myself a patriot, but I have to become somewhat sheltered now because big brother is everywhere.

  • BarleyWheets

    This whole bin Laden death thing sounds extremely fishy! It sounds like a BIG crooked ploy by obama to get his ratings up. Whether bin Laden is dead or not I don’t know.. but the way it was done doesn’t sound quite right and absolutely NO credit should be given to obama. If the American people give ANY credit to Obama for bin Laden’s death they must be having a mental breakdown. Our military and Navy Seals having been working on this LONG before anybody knew anything about obama! bin Laden should have been taken prisoner and put in the same prison with obama!

  • Chocoholic

    Let’s not forget….about 8 years ago, bin Laden was seen on horseback in Tora Bora, 10 minutes before the U.S. bombed the heck out of the place.

  • JeffH

    May I suggest reading this fine article by Larry Elder just to get a perspective on the hunt and kill of Bin Laden..

    Bush Led, Bin Laden Dead.

    Osama bin Laden was:
    a) killed by a unit overseen by what New Yorker reporter Seymour Hersh denounced as Vice President Dick Cheney’s “executive assassination ring,” which was b) sent into action based on intel derived from the now-outlawed “enhanced interrogation techniques,” which were c) used on detainees captured during the George W. Bush administration, who were d) being held in now-outlawed “secret prisons” or in the intended-to-be-closed Gitmo.

    http://www.creators.com/opinion/larry-elder/bush-led-bin-laden-dead-where-s-the-credit.html

  • jopa

    Time I know you think this was absurd that Navy Seals pulled off this operation however that’s who did it.They didn’t have to pull their boat up along side the compound walls, they were brought in by helicopter.Navy Seals are real men and don’t have to be in the water all the time.Even real seals come on land.I hope this clears up this matter for you and any time you need help just let me know.You should start watching Animal Planet very educational.

  • chuckb

    eddie47d, your logic is as usual void. hussien was locked up in prison quite awhile before they hung him so what’s the difference other than stature. bin laden was nothing more than a glorified terrorist and locking him up in guantanamo would cause nothing more than you liberals
    demanding he receive all the rights of a citizen. we have to give credit to bush for setting the capture up and donald trump for forcing barry to use his ace in the hole before next years election. that’s why it took him sixteen hours to make a decision. now he’s lost his big poll jump for the coming election, wouldn’t he like to do this one over, in a month his sheep will have forgotten who obl was. only a democratic administration could screw something like this up. back to the rug barry, you will have to pray to your allah some more, you really screwed up this time.

    • Eddie47d

      In your dreams chuckie.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Confoundme once but not twice

    Eddie47d, You ‘hit the Nail squarely on he Head ‘. It is a Proven fact that ..the more Lies are repeated the more they begin to be accepted as the Gospel truth (anyway, by the majority of the Sheeples who only want to believe what makes their Lives simpler. ) But there is always those like ‘Mary Mack And ‘Times’ and a few others like us..who question anything that isn`t Clear..or Proven. Then is when there has to be More lies brought into play in order to back up lies already told ( When they neglect to get their Stories Straight and in sync. Thank God there will always be those few Discerning minds who aren`t afraid to Probe for The Truth. I think We have Quite a lot of people on the Internet who have Intelligence to Follow wherever the Scent might lead. Too much simply does NOT stack up. OBL ..I ( As well as Most citizens of the true Patriots of our? Country ) do not believe this Cock & bull Story we are being FED About THE ”Raid” and the Burial at Sea.. even a 12 year old daughter at the Scene ? Crying and angry because Americans Murdered Her Father << ETC..I could Go on….. This bit about DNA being gathered and Compared to OBL`s ''dead sister… IS Too much to Swallow. I Do recall he had a sister who came here for Cancer treatments..a while back.. I was under the impression that the Treatments were Successful…And she had returned to Saudi Arabia. Does anyone have Information about this ? Obama DOES need a lot of Kicks UP in the polls, And Badly so ! The economy being in the bottom of the barrel can`t All be laid at his doorstep, BUT, the Extra war He added to bushs`Chest of Military Ventures, Can be Alloted to HIM. He is Responsible for accelerating the Turmoil in Afganistan. and Saying HE was going to Bring our Troops Out of Iraq and Send them Home. And Instead of Home..they were Pulled across the Border into This War without End ( on TEERRRERRR) Like bush wanted and Planned For. And there they have remained )..A ten year period Should be sufficient time to Face the Fact that war in the Muslim territories should never have been instigated,,Ever.And was NOt a winnable Venture. But has served this bush regime well.[ Made Them all Rich off the Military that is growing Bigger and Costlier with each day that passes…While Our Country is deteriorating in every way, economically, Our infrastructure is being left to rot..right along with The Citizens of this country. People ! wake up. It is later than you Think ! How many more people are going to be assassinated, [ like Benazir Bhutto because she Spoke the Truth concerning OBL`s dead..she named his murderer.. but I suppose Killing her Stopped any further Delving into THAT..For she was Killed a few days After that 'telling interview with David Frost had Aired. How Many More have met their Fate .. been 'Suicided ' against their Will…And how many more of our Fighting forces is to be disseminated on some foreign soil..for no good purpose… before this nation comes to its` senses ?? Nation Building ! Taking Democracy to Other countries ? Come on, let`s get real ! Who could possibly Buy such a malarky- reasoning ? Who ever heard of Killing people to Save them ?? Force Demacracy at the killing end of a Weapon ?? WE Have to be Totally Brainless to sit still in view of All we Know is going on. Fear of the Truth will Surely Kill all of us who dare Sit still for this any longer.

    • Eddie47d

      Now you said allot that was worth listening to.

  • Raggs

    obaba will use the murder of Q-daffy as a poll jump around October of 12.

  • http://com i41

    Onumnutts and Clinton didn’t the just veiwed things differently than the factswere. This bin Laden crap was to corrodinated from the burial at sea, an iman being on board and the following the muslim wants. The many stories of shoot a unarmed binny, he wasn’t in front of his wife, for a dumbocrap to accept enhanced intergation,when these same bastards voted in to days to stop all forms, but it was OK now, with the couriers. The supposed engine problems on the chopper, was that just more bs to let other countries gain our mechanical techno skills. Clinton gave away secrets for money to campaign, why wouldn’t the purple lipped puke and his 2 s–t birds, Plugs Biden and BBillary tyhe B–ch, who have been spending a lot of time in Pakistan getting something set up, down to Holder law firm defending these f–king terrrorist sand n—ers in our courts. The same puke who let the Black Panthers to walk free. Why not show the supposed pictures, the idea of inflaming the pedophile goat abusers thought processes. What crap, reasier to defeat the freaks, any acting weird, drop them like a bad habit since the enraged organisms don’t think clearly or comprehend very smart, even any animal is eaier to thin out if enraged, sand ni–ers are no different. It is one ofthe first things that is learned when fighting or campaigning, find the hot button to push, Black Jack Pershing knew how to handle these pervert dog lovers in WW1.

    • Karolyn

      What???????????????

  • jopa

    i41; Sounds like you ran out of Preparation H again.Why do you find it hard to believe that the Navy seals are unable to undertake such a task as the world has just witnessed.With our current President and our military might we are the envy of the world.It would have been nice if those choppers going into bin Laden’s compound had loudspeakers blaring Bruce Springsteen’s “Born In The USA” to let the man know who was knocking at his front door.

  • S.C.Murf

    Word was years ago that OBL worked for US Intel. Maybe it was just time to pull him out. fact is none of us will ever really know cause it was our gov. that took care of all loose ends

    up the hill
    airborne

  • S.C.Murf

    Here in Iowa its opening walleye midnite tomorrow so people I’m taking friday and sat. off and going fishing. If I happen to hook old OBL I’ll do a quick DNA and I’ll get back to all of you on Monday, have a good weekend

    up the hill
    airborne

  • Antonio

    KATE 8 hey how have you been? long time no talk i hope all is well. Well you said something about “numerological dates” in an above post. So i am replying to that. I have studied the (illuminati) for years and well it is true that they use a certain timing system for all theri special events. I dont know if you have watched my videos on youtube but i explain that in those videos. Anyways, They use the mayan long count calendar timing system (baktun) 13/00/00 where the sole numders 1.3.0 are used. They use this coding system alligned with venus rising dates and supieror dates. example:
    venus evening star = 06/11/2000
    use of code = ++/++/++++
    03/00/0001
    ===========
    09/11/2001 are you following this??
    now watch this
    venus morning star 06/06/2012
    +-/+-/+++-
    01/03/0001
    ==========
    05/03/2011 the date of the osama show
    Try one for yourself
    take the venus moring star date of 06/08/2004 use their timing code and you can come up with the start date of the iraq war and the madrid bombings everything thing they do is done with this timing system it is ritual they follow. Would to see my videos?

    • Kate8

      Antonio – Hello! Great to see you here again!

      Thanks for the info…I made a note of the dates.

      I watched some of your videos when you posted links before. I was very impressed! And yes, I’d love to see what’s new, if you post the link again.

      It’s so good to see that there are others who get it. In spite of the razzing I get from some posters here, I just can’t stop trying to get people to research for themselves. It’s time for humanity to wake up if we are to survive what these genocidal psychopaths have in store for us.

      I haven’t spent enough time studying the Mayan long count, although I’ve had some books on the subject for many years. I understand some of the occult symbolism, especially as it relates to some other studies. It is certainly good to know if one wants to project the dates of possible events.

      Hope to hear more from you.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    DNA Forensics
    Jun 16, 2009 … Using DNA fingerprinting techniques akin to those used to solve crimes and settle paternity suits, scientists at the University of …
    http://www.ornl.gov/hgmis/elsi/forensics.shtml -
    Miner

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    FORENSIC SCIENCE – DNA
    To identify individuals, forensic scientists scan 13 DNA regions that vary from person to person and use the data to create a DNA profile of that individual …
    http://www.forensicprofiles.com/dna.html – Cached 1

  • Average Joe

    A question for our liberal posters who always say that we will not believe anything comming from Washington and the media.

    Which is the wiser course of action, to question everything or to question nothing?

    • Antonio

      Joe i don’t really think they look at it that way “questioning”. They just plain and simple trust the government. Afterall, the government is mighty good isn’t? It gives out food stamps, wic, down payments for houses they can’t afford, section 8 housing, unemployment checks. Thats is why they just trust them. They do not realize that those programs were spesifically designed to create an economic disaster. They believe everything the hear in speeches or on the media because afterall it sounds pretty good right (cunning stuff). And like a dog with a funnel around its neck they cannot see things from a different angle.

      • Kate8

        Antonio, And when those who’ve come to depend on the gov’t for everything find it all yanked out from under them…

        Scary. I live in CA, where most of the population depends on gov’t.

        • Antonio

          Kate 8 The last time i gave you my youtube channel there was 13 videos but there is now 14 so i will give you my channel again. http://www.youtube.com/frombabeltoireland click upload and look for the series “THE 2012 NWO AGENDA” watch the videos in order. i hope you like my work. BTW since you live in california i feel i should tell you that in the 2012 storms it is expected to be under water you might want to move. google something like future world map 2012 god bless you

          • Kate8

            Antonio – Thanks. And I do know about the predictions for around 2012. Not only have I seen the Hopi map from years back, but I’ve also seen the US Navy map for 2012, showing where I live, in the mountains, as beachfront.

            I mentioned it a few days ago to others on this site, and got the blog version of eye-rolling. I did know better than to bring it up, but I feel people should at least be aware. It seems that HAARP has already been pounding the western coastline, as evidenced by the millions of dead fish washing ashore.

            As form me…well, I just wouldn’t know where to go. I’ve had a good life, and if it’s time, it’s time. The chemtrails have gotten really heavy, and many people are sick. Animals, too.

            I’ll check out your new video.

          • Kate8

            Antonio – Your videos are so terrific. Are you a professional?

      • Thamera

        Especially when it is all sold to them in such a pretty package of “helping”, “kindness” and “compassion”. Even Obama said just the other day that it is “entitlements” that make our nation “great!” I about gagged on my orange juice.

        • Antonio

          yes it is a shame, but that is what the people have allowed to happen. They even teach it in schools today. They say it speeches and the people believe that that is the right way to go. BRAINWASHING We now have a people who strongly believe in their entitlements and if someone takes them away….things will get nasty. if you would like to see my videos you can. they are in the post above.

          • Thamera

            Thanks Antonio

    • Average Joe

      Has anyone noticed that not one lib has answered my question?…..I guess they can’t answer a logical question. Kate8, I would recommend moving from California…simply because as you said “mostly of the population depends on gov’t.” When that rug gets pulled (and I have no doubt that it will happen sooner than later)….there will be riots in the streets and bodies littering the highways and byways…the more dependent an area is…the worse it will be…please take heed and prepare yourself for the inevitable.

      • Cawmun Cents

        I would heed your most excellent advise Joe,but I am hanging and banging for the killer wave that sinks SoCal into the briny deep.I got my board waxed,my beer chilled,my chicks warm,and my rose colored RayBan’s on.I live 75 klicks from the coast bruh,but the mondo wave still has me choked up at the prospect.Kawabunga dude!

        • Average Joe

          LOL, A friend recently suggested that I need to move from Florida….so that I don’t end up under water when the great flood comes from the polar melting (yes he’s one of those)….He told me that Florida was only about 20 feet above sea level…and we were all going to drown. Being a land surveyor by trade, it almost broke my heart to tell him that I am at 218 feet above sea level and that am looking forward to owning Island property…outside of the US…. ;)

    • Cawmun Cents

      “Things are not what they seem…..nor are they otherwise.”-Bodhidharma

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Confoundme once but not twice

    Gollee Darn ! I do Believe People ARE Paying attention to what they are reading here ! There is So much Wool being pulled over our eyes ” By the Powers-that-be ‘ That it is Difficult to extract the husk from the Grain of Truth that is thrown in there ever now and again.. Citizens , Take Notes… Remember Names.. And file away for future reference. We will have occasion to need this information. Broad band exchange will be used A lot more ( And We best get ready. The Internet is So close to being Smashed.) MSN, FOX, Cnn has become too “Found out’ in all the LIES they have been so busily spreading for years..to be believable..and They Know it. Is anyone else as Sick of The Posturing, Proselytizing Chris Hume as I Am ?

    • Average Joe

      Most of us who think for ourselves rather than excepting the message of the day from the illutrious annointed ones…have been sick of the posturing etc….for a long time. Unfortunately…reason still eludes many….

      • Cawmun Cents

        “To pay attention to what someone does not do is often more important than noting what they do.”-Eugen Herrigel

    • American Patriot

      How many times will Osama Bin laden Die? he has been on ice for many years now? You decide. So, what next. He will be seen walking across the ocean on the water? LOL These people we have had. and, continue to have in Washington DC have no shame.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEwo03R3LHw&feature=related

  • Kate8

    Sorry I found this so late, but it is a great article on gullible minds.

    Eddie and karolyn, you might want to pay special attention.

    http://www.naturalnews.com/032293_gullible_minds.html#ixzz1LUOA9pKi

    • Average Joe

      Thanks Kate8,
      It does seem to fit them to a “T”.

      • Eddie47d

        Now that was really cute Kate. Flip it over and the exact same thing could be said about those on the right. They trust Palin without question or maybe Coulter and Limbaugh (Rush or David). How about your favorite, Jesse Ventura? He’s right up there in being 100% honest. NOT! Many of you fawned over Nixon and trusted him to the end. Even Reagan made gaffe’s and how about Breitbart? Some of you sucked up his distorted manure. Yes Joe it does fit you and Jay to a T and there are liars and gullible ones on both sides. If you really care to look a little deeper into your side on who can’t be trusted.

        • Average Joe

          So that’s why you were so quick to answer my question posted above? Come talk to me when you have something intelligent to say eddie….I may never have to speak to you again….Thank the GODZ!…I just love it when a comment strikes a nerve……It gives us a chance to listen to the low drone of your whining (helps to keep the misquito’s away don’t you know?).
          Your opinion has been duly noted and filed under “silly people that whine”.

        • Kate8

          eddie – You are a riot.

          See, the difference between you and me is, I DON’T trust ANYONE without question. EVERYONE puts their self-interest first…but it you libs who can’t see that. YOU are the ones who fawn over your politicians. LOL. But then, they are at the top of your food chain, so they’re all you’ve got.

          I think most all of the Right has sold out, and the rest are on probation. You see, we conservatives understand that politicians are no different from us, and we support them ONLY when they represent us. Unlike you liberals, who deify your annointed ones, defending and supporting them no matter what they do. You figure, whatever they do, they must have a good reason, and have YOUR best interests at heart, even if you may not understand it. Talk about GULLIBLE.

          • Cawmun Cents

            “Socialism is a religion”.-CC

        • Eddie47d

          Average Joe; You agreed with Kate a little too fast. Kind of makes me suspect that your weren’t thinking for yourself. Since the right is guilty of the same programing I would say you are the gullible one.

          • Average Joe

            Eddie47d,
            “Average Joe; You agreed with Kate a little too fast.”

            I have been reading your tripe for about a year now Eddie….How long do I need to read it before my agreement with the statement meets with your approval?…10 years? 20 years? Oh, I forgot…since you disagree with anything that opposes “your view” should not be spoken aloud.Sorry Eddie…not buing you BS…try selling it elsewhere.

            “Kind of makes me suspect that your weren’t thinking for yourself.”

            You are free to “suspect” all you want. Simple things like “logic” seem to elude you.Please feel free to return to your mental masturbation…..and clean up after yourself when you’re finished.

          • Average Joe

            Kaolyn,
            My appologies to you, for lumping you in the same catagory as Eddie. No one deserves to be put into that catagory…. since Eddie is in a class all of his own. . At least once in a while you do “get it” and ask legitimate questions. Again, Karolyn, My opologies.

    • Jay

      Excellent article Kate8.

  • Jay

    In regards to obama and his administration, they cannot be trusted. As the saying goes: Once a LIAR, always a LIAR!!!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    I had a better idea on what to do with bin Laden’s corpse. They should’ve brought it back here, to any pistol range in or around New York City. It could’ve been hung on chains (perhaps like a party piñata on a string), and visitors to the pistol range could’ve used bin Laden’s corpse for target practice!! That would’ve made a great video!! And if a picture paints a thousand words, surely all of our enemies should see a photo of the dead bin Laden and get the message. That is – DON’T MESS WITH AMERICA!! We won’t let our enemies push us around or threaten us!!!!

    • Antonio

      Why would you want to do that to bin laden’s corpse??? After 10 years you still haven’t learned that it was an inside job? It was an inside job man. Not a ‘terrorist attack” it was a staged attack so as to create another war and pass the patriot act. An INSIDE JOB. And IF bin laden had anything to do with it just remember he WORKED for the CIA (criminals in action)

  • Word

    OBL has been dead for about 10 years. Instead of writing about bogus talking points like the fantasy is real, why don’t you inform people of the truth. infowars.com

  • http://sbc john

    IF they had bin laden and buried him at sea within 24 hours after his death, that is in and of itself a crime. his body was technically a crime scene and they destroyed the evidence. i’ve investigated many homicides, suicides and natural deaths and one procedure that is so basic is to do an autopsy. the administration has said nothing about an autopsy.
    there is countless information one can learn from a dead body and an autopsy. a person cannot be identified through dna. it can show probabilities the person was related to the person the dna was taken from. this dna process takes time. wow that’s really fantastic planning to have bin laden’s sister’s dna taken on this mission. and where and how was this dna analysis done?
    we hear obama basically say how great he was by deciding to do this. yea right. now we hear leon panetta basically had to talk obama into doing this and it took obama hours to figure out what to do. that’s about the only part of this entire fiasco i believe. i think obama didn’t have a clue on what to do. if anyone didn’t think obama was a muslim before this you’d better rethink that. why on earth would anyone give the order to have this muslim funeral for bin laden.? only another muslim.
    the photos need to be shown. but obama says that would incite more violence. come on does anyone really think showing bin laden’s photos will incite people more than killing him? unbelievable!

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