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Controversy Surrounds Anti-Gay App

March 24, 2011 by  

Controversy Surrounds Anti-Gay AppGay activists have called on Apple to remove an iPhone application that offers "a cure" for homosexuality.

The Christian group Exodus International has developed an app that claims to offer "freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ." The information provided by the program aims to associate certain gay behaviors as a transitory phase in youth, as opposed to a fixed sexual orientation.

According to media reports, Apple gave the application a 4+ rating, which means that it contained no objectionable content. Victoria Pynchon, a columnist for Forbes, downloaded the app and found that the program does not feature hate speech, but instead expresses religious beliefs with which users can choose to agree or disagree.

Nonprofit activism group Truth Wins Out claims that it has collected more than 100,000 signatures in favor of Apple removing the Exodus app. The organization claims that the Christian ministry uses "scare tactics, misinformation, stereotypes and distortions" in an attempt to recruit customers.

University of Minnesota researcher Dr. Gary Remafedi has sent a letter to Apple founder Steve Jobs requesting that they remove the app from its online store. Remafedi argued that Exodus has twisted the work of legitimate scientists, including himself, in order to fool clients that they can convert from gay to straight.

Although Remafedi's letter condemned the application's content, he admitted that Apple is legally protected by the 1st Amendment.

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  • s c

    If Remafedi admits that Apple is protected by the 1st Amendment, then it makes no sense for the gay crowd to wail and moan about being deprived of their so-called rights. If Baaney Fwank isn’t offended, who’s scamming whom?
    This sounds like another exercise in wanting to be seen as universal victims (ala the First Church of Victimology and the Social Justice Bar and Grill). BFD and whooptidoodoo, people. ‘Get over it,’ as some say, and ‘move forward,’ as others say.

    • http://naver sook young

      What is so bad about a group that is trying to get gays to be normal again by comming to God and Jesus? There is no scientific or psychological evidence about gays, no matter what they say. Apple, I hope you keep this site on and not be intimidated by these people of very little minds. Thank you.

      Sook Young
      Wife of the Samurai

      • soldier

        Scientists can manufacture gay rats in the labratory. Just like how you prefer certain women (assumming you are a man) and not attracted to other women, some people just like the same sex. It is not a choice. Sorry, but unless some vicious person put a gun to my head there is no way as a straight male that I could perform fellacio on another man… I would almost rather eat feces and drink someone’s diahrea…

        • JoMama

          Y U C K ! !

        • Brian

          Scientists can “manufacture” homosexual rats? Since there is no gene that determines sexual orientation, these scientists must be injecting these rats into environments that damage their natural (normal) need to procreate with female rats. Perhaps overloading the environment with female sex pheromones or some other over stimulation. Human homosexuals are such because they had to survive some event or series of events that lead to damage (physical, psychological, or both) which forces them to copulate with same sex individuals. Many sufferers of these conditions have been cured regardless of what many “pro-homosexual” groups believe.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Soldier

          Yo are right.

          Female mice turned lesbian after altering gene. An answer to …
          Jul 15, 2010 … Scientists have long sought after a link between homosexual orientation and … I’m currently studying as a Mechanical Engineering undergrad, work as a … maybe after being sliced open and a life lived as a lab rat they simply … to a genetic test for homosexuality, and no good can come from that. …
          http://www.zmescience.com/medicine/genetic/gay-gene-found-lesbian-mice-study-0232321/ – Cached

        • 45caliber

          soldier:

          You can always choose to not have sex at all.

          • juswonderin

            RIGHT ON SOLDIER 45caliber!!! With NO sex is the BEST answer for this problem! Plz excuse my spelling…don’t know how to use spellcheck & I’m an old woman anyhow…who cares!? Lol, not really, I’m just not good at spelling anymore! If one would CHOOSE not to have sex, most people would put them down & belittle them; so it is with the homosexuals that feel that way for themselves. However, I do believe that humans are far above animils in that we have the option & blessing of “choice.” Now, I just read about a bill that’s about to come out that will FORCE homosexual indoctrination on kindergarners on up & FORCE this in every school with NO ability for parents to “opt out” OR be informed ahead of the class that’s teaching it. WHY is it the school’s responsibility to teach ANY social lifestyle?? I truly believe that the reason so many kids drop out is caused by confusion; pressure from the school & students that are force-fed this stupidity onto our kids that want NO part of it either. But the sad thing is that whatever is taught in the schools at a very early age, they really do not know any better UNLESS they happen to have a male & female for parents that can & will teach them otherwise! The same goes for abortion & parents should be the only ones training & teaching their kids what’s right & wrong & teaching them the difference in a loving way. JMO!

        • Dan Burke

          The interesting counter study is twins…. having a homosexual identical twin, it is only a little more likely that their twin will homosexual as well as compared to those of us without someone carrying IDENTICAL genetic code. Hmm? If it is genetic, shouldn’t the correlation with identical twins start approaching 100%? Did you also know that despite some claims, there is a study that found that homosexual parents that adopted (or other means) raised a child were significantly more likely to raise a child that became homosexual as well. Somewhere around fives times more likely to be homosexual when raised by a homosexual partnership than those raised in a heterosexual family setting. And as far as the genetic part? Remember that man-man and woman-woman does NOT reproduce so the children are coming from outside genetic material…. So is it choice? Or is it genetic? For if it is strictly genetic, then surely the gene should disappear in a few generations of failure to reproduce or perhaps even with genetics that there IS a choice and they chose to reproduce through the ages.

        • http://naver sook young

          Sorry, but there is NO GAY GENE in our DNA strands. Sounds like you are the one making things up. Being gay is a choice and nothing else. It is wrong according to God. If you have a Bible, look up these verses:

          Leviticus 18:22
          Leviticus 20:13
          1 Corinthians 6:9 – 10
          Romans 1:26 – 28

          Since being a nurse myself, we never studied anything that supports your theory. And it is only a theory. Please don’t bring these childish rants onto this site. Yes, I am a woman and have been married to a wonderman for 25 years. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • JIBBS

            LOL, hehehehe, stop, you are too much…..lmfao

          • http://naver sook young

            What do you mean? Are you another ignorant liberal on this site? If you can’t bring anything to the conversation, then please stay out of it. Are you gay? If you are, you need to get back into church! Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            Sook says: “Being gay is a choice and nothing else.”

            You haven’t answered this one yet but here it comes again: When did you choose to be straight sook?

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Sook claims: “Are you gay? If you are, you need to get back into church!”

            Some christian churches accept gays. Are you going to proclaim these wise old organizations not to be christian? These folks can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bishops

            I’m sure you remember that “in contemporary Anglicanism that the issue of homosexuality and its relationship to people in the episcopate has been confronted openly. Indeed, the only large mainstream church to ever consecrate an openly gay bishop who was not celibate has been the Episcopal Church in the United States of America, a member of the Anglican Communion, who consecrated Gene Robinson diocesan bishop of Diocese of New Hampshire in 2003.”

            “In 1995, Bishop Derek Rawcliffe, retired Bishop of Glasgow and Galloway in the Scottish Episcopal Church, disclosed his homosexuality.[7] Like Brown, Rawcliffe had also served as a bishop in Melanesia.”

            And there are many more sook.

            Now, why don’t you tell us about your very special brutal christanity while folks go off and read about the open and accepting ones.

            Rob

        • Jim C.

          No one is born gay. Have you ever encountered a baby or child below the age of 7, who, lacking a push from a parent or family member, had ANY sexual interest, let alone one directed at the same gender? Of course not. Sexual interest develops in puberty, not at birth. Any “science” supporting “gay at birth” is bad science. You can’t autopsy the brains of adult gays and conclude ANYTHING about their brains at birth. Structural differences in the brains of adult gays can just as easily be the cause of the gay lifestyle. I believe many more young boys are “coming out” these days, because their parents push them into the gay lifestyle. Many have have no father figure. Or they are encouraged to act effeminate by their mothers.

          Every gay man I’ve ever met was recruited into the lifestyle during adolescence. I’ve experienced first hand how the gay community does this. They tried to recruit me. They isolate shy young men and tell them their shyness around women means they are really gay. Older gay men came to my church group and targeted a few guys in our group. They dragged these guys to gay bars for “hookups” with older gay men. They saw me as vulnerable because I wasn’t dating. (The real reason was physical health problems, but they had no interest in that.) They insisted I was gay. When I resisted, they “outed me” to isolate me from my friends. That part of their tactics worked. Most of my friends bought their line of bull, and stopped associating with me. it DID isolate me.

          At least two of the guys who were “brainwashed”, and insisted they were gay, are now in committed HETEROSEXUAL relationships with wives and children. Either they are being dishonest with their wives, or they CHANGED. So we should NOT give up on these people having “normal” lives.

          Why does it matter? Well for one, the lifestyle can be very sad, depressing, and unfullfilling. You cannot conceive children through gay sex. And having children is one of the most rewarding things in life. My best friend was secretly “gay” and committed suicide. (I was the unfortunate recipient of the suicide note.) For another, if you believe the Bible, it says the body is the temple of the God’s Holy Spirit. The Bible is very clear that the homosexual lifestyle is an abomination to God, just as extramarital and unmarried sex is an abomination. So the homosexual lifestyle pushes God out of your life. Are people so eager to push our youth into a lifestyle that separates us from God? Fact is, I believe the gay lifestyle is just another form of sexual addiction, that would be dealt with as any other sin.

          Gay marriage will make it easier for gays to adopt. They will push or influence their children into this lifestyle. That’s not good for the children, or our nation.

          If you have had a different experience with the Gay community that I have, they don’t accuse me of being a bigot. My opinion is based on my real life experiences.

          • Robert Smith

            From Jim C.: “Have you ever encountered a baby or child below the age of 7, who, lacking a push from a parent or family member, had ANY sexual interest, let alone one directed at the same gender? Of course not.”

            You never played “doctor” when you were a kid, did you Jim?

            BTW, your claim that they can’t have kids… It’s false. They can take care of kids as well as any other couple.

            The fact is that if you deny gays then you must deny any war injured male who comes back with parts missing that could stop him from having kids. You would have to stop any post menopausal woman from marrying, etc.

            Why don’t you take your religious bigotry and peddle it somewhere they might listen. I hear Hillsbouro has a baptist sect there who hates gays. And! As an extra added bonus they proclaim their god to be hateful too. I’ll bet you would fit right in.

            Rob

          • Mushin

            Say Jim! Don’t waste your time on ole’ kneel and bob Rob – he’s a committed swallower and cannot be reasoned with.

            I commend you for not allowing yourself to fall victim to the fag patrol – and your far from the only young man they’ve looked to pray upon. Rob surely fell victim {and by the way, how do you ever let another man do that to you? must be hard to sit down after eh Rob?

            Sook is correct – homosexuality is a sick, aberrant bahaviour – and certainly one that is learned (nurtured).

            Sutekh, another convert, also has rocks in his head. Let me help you with the math Suketh – penis, man – vagina, woman! easy as 1 + 1! {just not to you}.

            Let me help you here Suketh (you too Robby) – your already free in a free country. If you want to put it into some guy’s orifice (or all of them), go ahead baby, it’s a free country! Just don’t push your sexuality on the rest of us. Keep your sexual ideals to yourself as the rest of us aren’t interested in them – got it?!

            I have spoken to people from Russia and and Jamaica and homosexuality is NOT tolerated in these countries – they just kill them outright! Be grateful you live in the USA and not the USSR – your lifespan would be greatly decreased should you be “found out”.

      • Eddie47d

        Sook; They could be just as normal as you.Until you know differently then you are also encouraging discrimination.I have also not seen this APP so it could be an innocent program or an evil scheme.

        • Scott

          True. But that doesn’t mean that they’re satisfied with their lifestyle. It isn’t inherently evil to offer a change. Nor is sexuality immutable.

          • karolyn

            Well, if their not satsfied with their lifestyle, then they can try to hange. However, all the instances of gays trying to live a straight lifestyle that I’ve heard of have not gone too well. Yes, some are able to repress their natural instincts, but are they happy? I would say no.

          • Scott

            A close friend of mine came out of the gay lifestyle, and he is happy, unmarried but attracted to women. He knows others who have also come out from it.
            I didn’t say it was fun or easy.
            Anyway, you haven’t heard the whole story, in no small part because gay activists go out of their way to silence the whole story.

          • Scott

            To finish my point, changing your “orientation” is not fun or easy, but it is POSSIBLE.

          • karolyn

            Scott – Are you that close to this man to really know what’s in his heart? Knowing that men don’t necessarily communicate on a gut level, I would doubt that. He would, of necessity, have to repress his true feelings if he wanted to continue to be accepted as he now is.

          • Eddie47d

            Scott; If a man becomes a homosexual on a lark (just to try it out) then I could see him changing back. He could also be Bi-sexual or maybe not. If a man like this seeks counseling at a church or elsewhere to overcome his habit that would be fine with me. He probably was never a true homosexual in the first place.

          • Scott

            karolyn & Eddy47d: Here’s another option. You could both be wrong about sexuality. You could both be wrongfully judging his heart, wrongfully trying to dismiss his story. Frankly, if you were to be honest and acknowledge the transformation for what it truly is, it would undo your worldview regarding sexuality.
            FWIW, I trust him. What’s more, his is not the only such story.

      • Robert Smith

        Sook asks: “What is so bad about a group that is trying to get gays to be normal again by comming to God and Jesus?”

        Because YOUR jesus is b brutal… Oops FLASH! Not all the time!

        He did that welfare thing with the fish and bread. Wow! Almost missed that one, Jesus did some welfare.

        Anyhow, when examinded the site was found to be misquoting scientists and lying about much of the rest.

        Seems to me they were protecting their customers.

        Rob

        • Sutekh

          “Jesus did that welfare thing with the fish and bread?”

          LOL. “Welfare” is where a “community organizer” uses the threat of mob violence to “persuade” government officials to provide taxpayer funded hand-outs to members of his isolated and insular group.

          Jesus’ mercy in providing food for those who had enough faith to go out into the desert to hear him was Divine providence.

          I know that for socialist, the government has become their “higher power,” but in the English language, the distinction between welfare and Divine providence has not become that blurred yet.

          The hatred and bigotry spewed by homosexual radicals who have lived lives as tough as those of any abused child or drug addict is astounding. I guess if the hatred and bigotry isn’t part of an officially recognized religion, then it is politically correct.

          BTW, during the French Revolution, the word for “politically incorrect” was “counterrevolutionary.” At that time, as now, if one spoke “counterrevolutionary” heresy, community organizers would bring a mob out to his house to burn it down and kill him — and his whole family if they could catch them. But mobocracy is not a religion, so I cannot make a return religious slur against your attempt to cuss Jesus.

          Sutekh

    • JoMama

      s c – you are so right!!
      I can’t believe this. When I was growing up – I remember my dad saying to me after I cried that the kids in the neighborhood were picking on me – he said “Sticks & stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.”
      It seems as the time goes on more & more people are being offended by stupid, little & petty things. Things that some people just shrug their shoulders & say “whatever.” Either you are proud to be the deranged homosexual you are or you’re not. Just because there are a few people offended with a stupid phone application, doesn’t mean that Apple is going to jump all over that to make these couple of fags happy again.
      It really bothers me when someone is obviously “different” & they think just because they are “different” – everybody should love them & cater to all their wishes & demands (illegal aliens are the worse). Don’t try to make me like it. I know what I like – THIS is not it.
      Just because I’m NOT gay/fag/homosexual (or illegal) – can I get DEMAND to get some special treatment also?? NO. People would laugh in my face. Because I am NOT different – no, I would not get ANY special treatment. Don’t shove it down my throat. I WILL NOT CONFORM!!

      • 45caliber

        I agree.

      • Kinetic1

        JoMama,
        Are you really going to sit there and tell us that Christians don’t get any special treatment? What other religion gets federal holidays?

        • http://naver sook young

          What do federal holidays have to do with the subject? But since you were nice enough to bring it up, remember this:

          “July 4th…ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solem acts of devotion to God Almighty.” John Adams.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

        • Richard Pawley

          Since those who founded this country worshiped the God of the Bible, and founded this country on principles, then generally accepted, from the Bible, it is highly unlikely that we would be having holidays for false gods. The interesting thing is that those who don’t know Jesus and who reject Him are not likely to see Him when they die. They won’t even know a heaven exists. They will only know the earth existed and that where they are exists. For some of them that can be described as a living hell. Just as you can be born to many places and states in life there are several different divisions or levels, if you wish, where a person can go when they die, some say much more. Even the Bible mentions Paul being “taken up to the third Heaven” but you never hear a sermon about that unless it is to dismiss it. There is so much that is known but one is unlikely to find it unless one is looking for it. God rejects no one but He established the Universe with certain principles like gravity and the law of reciprocity and that’s just the way it is. Jesus taught that GOD IS LOVE and those who hate, even if they think they are godly, or call themselves Christian, and according to the Jesus Himself, even if they have such faith as to do miracles (but their heart is not right – in other words they are in it for the money or the power – like some in Washington) they will not be receiving what they think, when they move on beyond the material or physical dimension. “As you sow, so shall you reap,” is as real as the law of gravity. All that you do to others will be done to you. Those terrorists who kill for their god will suffer all they do to others. You might have to kill someone who is trying to kill you but Jesus said we were not to hate our enemies -because that hate will return to us, and harm us. His instructions to soldiers was be content with their pay. God hates no one. He does all He can within the confines of free will to bring men (and women) to a knowledge of Him. There have been to many so-called life after death experiences of completely different people to deny the high probability of an after-life, although those who oppose God, will argue that such are not proof. Nothing will ever satisfy such people. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead but there were those who still wanted proof. Even Jesus, who could read hearts and minds, didn’t offer such people what they thought they wanted. Additionally, the research at the Isaac Newton Bible Code Research Society has only added to our understanding of the Bible. Based on probability the code can be applied to any book but it only makes sense within the Hebrew Bible, not even in translations. (For those who don’t know about this much of the history of the world is encoded in the Hebrew Bible, some of which hasn’t happened yet. Atheists, even some very brilliant, ones dismiss it, either out of ignorance or malice, and Christians and Jews, some of whom don’t like the idea that God would encode knowledge that could only be found with a computer, dismiss it also. I write about the code in both my books as I find it very interesting and even I did not fully grasp that it was all based on probability and that prayer can change things. Many great Christians began with skepticism but because they were truly open to learning the truth, sought it and found it. Atheists who are opposed to any god but themselves seldom have the kind of mind that can discover spiritual truth. I have felt sorry for some of them who have such brilliance and yet all they know is facts and figures or a limited 3 dimensional world of linear time. Perhaps this is why Jesus sought a few fishermen, a writer, a doctor, a tax collector, and a few other rather ordinary people to reveal to the world what God was like. Even the Jews didn’t understand that, they put their faith in rules and laws, thinking that would be enough, when God had something more. However those who don’t want Christianity may live to see what Islam is like if we don’t have WWIII or the financial collapse that many expect within this decade.

          • juswonderin

            Richard, I applaud your post & understanding of this issue & the knowledge behind it. THANK YOU!!

          • Robert Smith

            Richard says: ” it is highly unlikely that we would be having holidays for false gods.”

            I’ll bet as many young kids believe in the Easter Bunny and understand him better than that guy who got killed hanging out on a cross, got put into a cave, came out of his hole, saw his shadow…

            Wait a minute I’ll get it.

            Rob

    • Eddie47d

      SC;Always the one to legalize hate and discrimination against someone. Wouldn’t expect anything else from you and those who think they know better than anybody else. Can’t accept differences so you encourage demonizing through the back door. You are one control freak!

      • crystal

        Your argument works for the excuse pedophiles use.

        • Kinetic1

          crystal,
          And here we go. A conversation about consenting adults and their sexual preference is directed to include the acts of pedophiles. Just because you find homosexuality to be unacceptable does not men that it falls into the same category. Homosexuality and pedophilia are two very different things. I won’t even bother with the mental differences, but instead I will remind you that pedophiles are taking advantage of children and their fears. There is nothing consensual about it since we recognize the innocence of children. Same with bestiality. And don’t even try to make your case for homosexuals “recruiting” boys. Most pedophiles are straight men with no interest in adult homosexual relations.

          • Scott

            The argument has to do with reasonable limitations on what is acceptable regarding sexuality. If some limitations are reasonable but others are not, then those currently in the “not” category will wank and whine until they get approval, affirmation, equality, etc., using phrases and ideas like “tolerance” and “justice” when in fact their cause is rooted in neither.

          • http://naver sook young

            “If you do things against the norm, you’re bound to encounter resistance.” Samurai. That’s one reason so many people are against gays and because it’s not what God wants for us to do. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Michael J.

            Kinetic1 says:
            “Homosexuality and pedophilia are two very different things.”

            Nope, their both sexual deviants/perverts.

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “Most pedophiles are straight men with no interest in adult homosexual relations.”

            And many are priests who got away with it because the church didn’t do anything about it.

            I’m quite sure that other religious organizations have problems also but THEY do the right thing and turn them over to police, or at least get them out of the organization.

            Rob

      • lkar

        Wait a second! Where are the liberals who say if we don’t like something don’t watch it. If you don’t like a product don’t buy it. It seems to me that if you are gay and don’t like the app don’t download it. If a straight person downloads it, it really isn’t any good as it is to supposed to convert a gay into a straight. If a gay downloads this app, perhaps they are questioniong their lifestyle choice.

        • karolyn

          I’m with you on this. I think they’re taking it a little far. They don’t have to buy the app. if they don’t like it.

        • Kinetic1

          Ikar,
          As usual, the PLN news desk failed to cover the full extent of the story. The objection was to Apple’s decision to rate the app 4+. As noted in the article, a 4+ rating suggest that there is no objectionable content and this was supported by their note that ” Victoria Pynchon, a columnist for Forbes, downloaded the app and found that the program does not feature hate speech, but instead expresses religious beliefs with which users can choose to agree or disagree.” This sounds very reasonable to those who’s opinion leans towards acceptance of such a program, but not everyone does. Perhaps PLN should have also mentioned that this group is “targeting vulnerable LGBT youth with the message that their sexual orientation is a ‘sin that will make your heart sick’ and a ‘counterfeit.” Teens who are troubled by their inclination towards homosexuality are not so inclined as to see these comments as “religious beliefs with which users can choose to agree or disagree.”

          PLN also fails to note that Exodus “advocates the use of reparative therapy, a form of therapy that has been rejected by every major professional medical organization including the American Psychological Association, the American Medical Association, and the American Counseling Association.” Is it a good idea to promote an app that may expose troubled young adults to programs that have been discredited the majority of our nation’s experts? If Apple wants to make this app available to adults only, fine. But let’s give a little more attention to who might be using these apps before we see a new rash of teen suicides.

          • libertytrain

            What are you complaining about? You posted everything you had thought should have been put in this short article. You used your personal liberty afforded you on this site. And yet you are sarcastic and whiny.

          • Kinetic1

            LibertyTrain,
            My point is that the bias built into the article gives a false impression that leads to false conclusions. In this case the article leads you to conclude that Truth Wins Out is unfairly attacking Exodus. The inclusion of the opinion of Ms. Pynchon without any facts presented in opposition simply serve to support that conclusion. The suggestion is that it is simply a matter of religion verses science.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            kinetic,
            The AMA also rejects Marajuana for treatment of cancer but according to a great many it works!

          • libertytrain

            Your point seemed more like you needed to demonstrate your overflated ego. I don’t know if you have ever noticed but these desk articles are just a synopsis of information that one can look up more in depth if one is interested. I have zippo interest in phone aps so I could care less. Other articles I search for more info. You came across as an arrogant egotistical doopah.

          • Jay

            Kinetic1, religion and science were never meant to be at odds. The first sentence in Genesis, “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth”, makes that clear. Upon close observation, this statement is both, a scientific fact, and as well, provides the cause for the phenomena. We can agree, and science confirms the fact that the universe came in to being at a point in time, therefore finite. Science refers to such as, “the big bang theory”, religion calls it “creation”. The predominant Scientific explanation or cause for such is, evolution, The Christian explanation or the cause for the universe is, “God created the Heavens and the earth”. Both groups make a scientific statement, where they differ is, as to the cause of the universe; evolution, creation, and both, evolution and creation, should be considered to be religions, or world views. How was the scientific fact that the universe was finite made known, to the one’s who penned the words, “In the beginning” ? Could it be that the One who created the universe, might also be the One who disclosed Himself as the cause?

          • Michael J.

            Kenetic1 says:
            “The objection was to Apple’s decision to rate the app 4+. As noted in the article, a 4+ rating suggest that there is no objectionable content”

            Using your line of logic that seems to suggest that Apple’s app should be deleted because it contains objectionable content leads me to ask, why homosexuality should be tolerated by normal people who definitely find the sexual deviant/pervert lifestyle objectionable? Especially when it’s paraded in front of us and passed off as normal?

      • Macawma

        LOL! I guess you know all about the “back door”? LMAO!

        • Eddie47d

          I didn’t mean it that way but I got your drift. LOL

          • http://?? Joe H.

            FREUDIAN SLIP????

    • Robert Smith

      Hey folks,

      Apple is a COMPANY. It can do what it wants.

      If it wants to not offend gays it can not offend all it wants.

      If it wants to not offend christians… Well, we know how that one turned out.

      BTW, Ford did very well the last couple of years while other American auto manufactures were going down the tubes. Ford was one of the few companies that stood up to the AFA “boycot.” Looks like Ford marketed to the right Americans to stay afloat, and it wasn’t the christian ones.

      Rob

  • Thomas Phillips

    I totally agree with Sook Young. Keep the app Apple. I know that there are probably a lot of people who would want the information from the app.

  • Scott

    There’s “tolerance” for you.
    And they call Christians hypocrites.

  • Doc Sarvis

    The “App” is money so I don’t see it going away, simple as that. As for the morality of the application; it is folly to think that homosexuality is abnormal. It is also either fear or hate or both that have some people so against our homosexual population.

    • JoMama

      Doc Sarvis -
      Please read my post above.
      Screw you!!

      • James in NY

        JoMama – you have some really intelligent things to say there.

        • karolyn

          Yes, there are a few of those who post here on a regular basis.

          • Michael J.

            “Yes, there are a few of those who post here on a regular basis.”

            Said the holier than thou voice from on high.

      • Doc Sarvis

        I didn’t say they would or should get rid of the app. As long as Apple is making money they will keep the app. If the opposition starts to cost them they are likely to drop it.

        As for your “screw you” comment; you are obviously much more into me than I will ever be into you.

        • Michael J.

          The heart beat races as the sexual tension intensifies…
          Quick, someone hand them a Lisinopril or a Viagra, cause their gonna need some relief one way or another.

    • Scott

      If the app is free, then it’s not money. (I haven’t check whether it’s free, but I expect it is.)
      Morality is grounded in truth. Whether you look at the truth in the laws of nature (homosexuals are excluded from reproduction), or the truth of divine revelation (homosexuality is condemned in Scripture), homosexuality is immoral. The real folly is upholding an immoral lifestyle as normal or good or an acceptable alternative lifestyle.
      Speaking for many but not all, I neither fear nor hate gay people. But I do hate their systematic attempts to revoke my First Amendment rights in the name of “tolerance”. Especially when their brand of tolerance is a one-way street.

      • karolyn

        See the link I posted below. According to one of the interpretations of the Bible, homosexuality itself is not condemned. How ca you say your interpretation is right and the other is wrong? Can you read and interpret Greek?

        • Scott

          It’s not just Greek, it’s Hebrew also.
          Not just infallible, but inerrant.
          See my response to your comment below.

        • Jay

          Karolyn, not so fast. The Bible is very clear regarding the issue of wether homosexuality is right or wrong.

          There are claims that the Bible does not really condemn homosexual behavior or that Jesus would not condemn this behavior. But let’s look at what the Bible actually says.

          Leviticus 18:22
          22 “Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

          Leviticus 20:13 (New International Version, ©2011)
          13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

          Romans 1:24-28
           24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

          25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

          26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

          27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

           28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

          1 Timothy 1:8-11
          We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.

          9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,

          10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

          11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

          Jude 1:7
          In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

          Homosexual behavior is always discussed in the Bible as a serious sin. It is often discussed in the context of idolatry. In that context it is listed among other particularly heinous sins as examples of how depraved one can become when idolatry is present. Idolatry is a most serious offense against God, and its seriousness helps explain why homosexual behavior was a capital offense in the Old Testament.

          Historical Christian interpretation has consistently viewed homosexual behavior as sinful. The modern word sodomy even comes from the biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah.

          But it should be pointed out that what the Bible condemns is not personality traits such as feminine feelings on the part of a man (or masculine feelings on the part of a woman). The particular inclination or orientation of the homosexual person is not a sin. The Bible condemns the act of homosexual sex. And notice the statement in 1 Corinthians 6:11: “such were some of you.” This seems a clear indication that homosexuals can change.

          There are those who take some of the passages of Scripture above and attempt to show that they do not really mean to condemn homosexuality. But these arguments fall short, and upon investigation become an obvious ploy to distort the plain meaning of Scripture. As applies to other doctrines of the Bible, one must avoid trying to interpret Scripture in light of one’s proclivities, and instead, interpret one’s proclivities in light of Scripture.

          The Bible is its own grid. It is wrong to overlay your own grid on the Bible.

          • karolyn

            “Historical Christian interpretation” is what you’re going by. There are other interpretations. How can anyone say one is right and the other wrong? How can anyont claim to REALLY know? I know I will never change your mind, and you won’t change mine. I was a Christian, but things precisely like what we’re talking about here are what led me to find my Truth, and it ain’t fouund in the KJV.

          • Scott

            Karolyn, relative truth is not truth at all. If I try to build a house based on principles of physics and building codes that I want to be true, rather than on actual physics and codes, then either my house will collapse or it will be condemned.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            scott,
            karolyn wants to pick and chose what she wants to believe. She wants to be a “I believe this but not that” Christian! You either believe that the word of God is devine and the words were devinly inspired or you don’t believe at all!! Karolyn should read the last 2 verses of the Bible and take it to heart! The Lord is VERY CLEAR in them!!

          • Richard Pawley

            Jay, you point out that “The Bible condemns the act of homosexual sex (and I would add, not being a homosexual). And notice the statement in 1 Corinthians 6:11: “such were some of you.” This seems a clear indication that homosexuals can change.”
            I have read that there are upwards of 200,000 FORMER gays and lesbians in this country and they seem to be the most discriminated against group in the country. If the gays think they have it bad try letting Jesus change your sexual orientation and see what you will have to put up with. The so-called gay community will consider you a traitor to the cause (or say you never were homosexual to begin with) and many in the straight community will be forever suspicious because they have never seen the power of God at work. I think that this is a tragedy because there are people who are gay and who don’t want to be – I must disagree with the person who said it is always a choice. That’s like telling the alcoholic to just stop drinking or the drug addict to just stop using heroin. I remember when the American Psychiatric Association or maybe it was the American Psychological Association said that homosexuality was a mental disease for which there was no known cure. Yet, there are thousands of FORMER gays and lesbians in this country. It was not psychiatry or even religion that cured them (and it was not always easy as some have implied), but it was an encounter with the Living God through Jesus Christ who started them on their journey to what they were meant to be. I have no message to those who are content in their homosexuality other than to tell them that God loves them and the greatest thing they can do in life is to discover that, but what I think is a crime is that those who are gay and who don’t want to be are told by the gay community to just accept it because that is the way they are, and by some Christians that all they have to do is choose to change. Well, they do have to choose, but from the cases I have read it is not so easy for all. Such people who want to be straight need to know that although it can be very difficult it is not impossible but it is only possible through experiencing God working in their life.

            By the way, I do not believe the Karolyn was ever a Christian, she may have been raised in some church that called itself Christian but she is not someone who was filled with the Holy Spirit and who knew Jesus, had talked with Him and had him explain things like He did to the two women in the classic paperback, GOD CALLING, or as He has to so many millions including myself. In my autobiography, LEAVING SOUTH CAROLINA, recently updated, I talk about my spiritual experiences and I also mention being solicited when I was 13 or 14 (and looked about 10) by a homosexual who was about 40. He didn’t do any more than ask but he scared the hell out of me, so much so that I didn’t hitchhike home from school for a long time afterwards. I even considered jumping out of the moving car I was in to get away from him. Anyway, God says that before mankind is destroyed it will be as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah, not just rampart homosexuality, but violence and greed and avarice on a scale that is unprecedented. We are not there yet but we are certainly moving in that direction. Surely there has never been a time in all of history when homosexuals were on the ascendancy as they are today, demanding superior rights above others because some of them have come to believe they are superior beings. Some are decent caring people and of course the gay community has no corner on the market for greed and avarice. Interesting the Bible Code which I mentioned in both my books and which I mentioned in an earlier note above says that the world has entered what the Bible calls the “end times” about 20 years ago. Whether they will last one generation as many Christians believe or longer I do not know but we are living in one of the most interesting time in the history of the world, even seen prophecies that were written thousands of years ago being fulfilled. Of course many are convinced that our nation will not last much beyond this decade if our out of control government continues to print money and spend it as if it were real. One of the interesting things that I was told while praying about 19 years ago was that we were going to have ‘…more like 450% inflation.’ The FED told me last December that we have had less than 60% since then so we have more than 250% to go and it seems to be accelerating. Gay or straight I would recommend all prepare for what is coming because it will affect all. God is no respecter of persons and He takes no delight in anyone’s suffering. Some believe that we have called down this chaos upon ourselves because we have abandoned the foundational principles of our nation and are substituting an inferior Karl Marx version of progressive taxes, free love (he opposed marriage) and progressive and atheistic socialism. It may not be the end of the world (it will be for some) but it will surely be the greatest change on earth in 500 years and not all of it will be good. May God bless all who read this and may they someday know that not only does God exist, but that He knows all about them, and He loves them.

        • Jay

          Yes Karolyn, historical and reliable, not altered to suit my purpose, whatever that may be! So it seems then, that you don’t study religions, so much as you study certain interpretations of religions. Am I correct?

          • Karolyn

            Well, I am currently in an “Understanding Religion in a Global Society” (Religion 101) class at school. (I’m 64.) However, my readings over the past 30 years of numerous books by enlightened authors has led me to where I am today. God made me an open minded, spiritual being, and I am capitalizing on that fact as much as possible within my own human capabilities.

        • http://naver sook young

          Sorry Karolyn, but you are wrong. Please read these from the Bible:

          Leviticus 18:22
          Leviticus 20:13
          1 Corinthians 6:9 – 10
          Romans 1:26 – 28

          Now you know that your statement is false and full of the “gay” agenda rhetoric. It’s not right in the eyes of God. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

    • Ted Crawford

      Doc, By what logic, without becoming a hypocrite, can you state that Homosexuality is normal and not give the same status to Pedophilia and Incest?

      • Doc Sarvis

        Good point of clarification; pedaphilea, & rape are sexual behaviors between non willing/under the age of consent participants and are illegal and immoral because of that. Homosexuality is a relationship between willing partners.

        Of course there is homosexual rape just as there is heterosexual rape and in those cases there is a victum/unwilling person.

        • Scott

          A few more questions for you. Thanks in advance.
          - In your opinion, is there a difference between a practice being tolerable (i.e. I don’t like it, but I can’t do anything about it) and being protected (i.e. if I don’t like it, then I’m penalized or branded)?
          - What about the morality or normality of consensual (“of age”) incest?

          • Doc Sarvis

            #1 there is a difference
            #2 how close a relation is defined as incest and in what jurisdiction?

          • Kinetic1

            Scott,
            The laws regarding incest are generally aimed at protecting the young, but I would guess that adult incest would fall under the same laws that prevent close relatives from marrying.

          • Scott

            Kinetic1:
            I would argue that laws against adult incest revolve around establishing reasonable limitations on sexual behavior.

          • Kinetic1

            Scott,
            What is reasonable? We all know the risks of closely related family members parenting a child, but what about adopted siblings? Does it matter that they were raised as siblings?

          • independant thinker

            “What is reasonable? We all know the risks of closely related family members parenting a child,”

            If the incest is a rare event and not common the positive aspects are equal to the risks. Not to say I support incest but that is the way it is.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            independant,
            Are you one that thinks a child can not be created by one chance encounter?? That is what your post suggests!!

    • newspooner

      So many people misrepresent sincere objection as hate. How objection is presented is the key to its sincerity and absence of ill will. Have you ever noticed that the “homosexual community” incessantly rants about “tolerance”? Actually, that is fine. True libertarians and real Christians really are tolerant. But the major theme among leaders in the “homsexual community” today is that tolerance MUST include acceptance and approval. That, of course, is total BS. A good Christian can be tolerant without approving, and should never be coerced into approving something that is seen as morally wrong. And libertarians are the beacons of tolerance who are intellectually capable of separating the concepts of tolerance and approval. It is very sad that so many others just do not undertstand this.

      • CJM

        I agree that tolerance does not necessariy mean one must accept and approve of the act. Thank you for a well thought out response to the article.

    • Bob from Calif.

      Hey Doc,
      God says that homosexuality is an abomination. I think he knows a little more about the human race; since he has the blueprints!

      • karolyn

        “HE?” You know that God is male? Do you really know WHAT God is? Has He spoken to you and told you these things?

        • Scott

          GOD has spoken for HIMself that *HE* is male.

          • Scott

            I’m sorry karolyn! My tone was a bit harsh. Please accept my apology. :(

          • Jay

            Amongst themselves, coal miner, try and keep up!!!

        • Jay

          Karolyn, did you know that angels don’t reproduce and yet they are referred to in masculine terms and names. Michael, Gabriel, Lucifer who was and still is an angel but now referred to as Lucifer or Satan.

          God created male and female for the obvious purpose of multiplying the human species. The command He gave Adam and Eve, “be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth” is then violated when two same sex couple engage in intercourse. Why is the commandment or the law of God to procreate violated when people engage in homosexual intercourse? Multiplication or procreation is impossible through the homosexual act, thus the command or the law to multiply, is broken, thus the act is seen as being unlawful.

          Since through a homosexual sexual union procreation is not possible, the only reason for its purpose, therefore, is for for sexual pleasure, and since the act is considered unlawful, the pleasurable act is then classified as not only unlawful, but depraved as well.

          But God also made sex pleasurable, and if two people really love each other, then who cares if they are same-sex? Obviously God does! He made it pleasurable and he meant it that it be used between a man and a woman, for the logical purpose of, PROCREATION!!!

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          • Jay

            Amongst themselves, coal miner. I’m well aware that fallen angels procreated with the daughters of men, so I need not look at your link. Thanks anyways!

          • Karolyn

            Sorry, I don’t believe it. At least not as told in the interpretation you follow.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

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          (Matt 5:19)” Whoever breaks one of the least of the commandment and teaches men, so shall be called the least in the Kingdom.”

          The Dead Sea Scrolls show us the strict rules in which to judge whether one is worthy & Paul broke about all those rules, like Political/War imprisonment & living in gentile territory (helanized society) & other issues that relates to disqualifying teachers (4Q266-7 fr 5).

          Paul’s Letters were the first, written at least 20 years after Jesus’s execution. St. Paul’s theology, and the interpretation it cast on events recalled about Jesus’s career, played a significant role in shaping the doctrines of the Paulian-Christian Church. Yet, this man was not Jesus, nor was he G0D. For that reason, those denominations of Christianity which believe in the inspiration and authority of Paul are called “Pauline”, or “Paulian”. Often more than half of what they hold as doctrinal truth comes from Paul rather than Jesus. Though most favors of Christianity are Paulian, The Christo-Paulian church has squelched most of The Gospel of Thomas because too many elements in them didn’t fit in with doctrines and precepts which the early Church had crafted up to that time. In other words — Politics.

          In the 9th chapter of Acts, Luke tells the story of the conversion of Saul, saying that “the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.” In the 22nd chapter of the same book, Luke quotes Paul’s own words regarding the same experience: “And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake unto me.”
          This is very contradicting but what is forgotten is, since the only Light appears=Lucifer, then Paul saw and was stimulated by this Lucifer deception.
          What is this light and why did it speak in Paul’s Mind?
          This light can be a number of things if not just a tall tale. It can be a Phenomenon where crystal rocks rub together under the earth’s surface and sparks and light can appear above ground through this natural occurrence or it can be increased magnetic fields which interacts with particles streaming from the Sun to create phenomenon we already observe as the infamous Northern and Southern Lights. The magnetic impulses from this occurrence can also bring hallucination by stimulating these dream like fantasies in the mind. Similar is the many accounts of illuminated ghosts or some UFO encounters.
          Where Lucifer again appears in mans mind is in near death experiences where the tunnel of Light is seen. This light is occuring, as well as the portraits of relatives, from the lack of oxygen to the brain. This has been similated in a lab where everyone stimulated on the side portion of the brain had the same experience as if they were dying. This shows that afterlife is a false fantasy which actually started as a cultish myth about death. See people do not know their history of words used in Biblical times, therefore they have no idea what the term Light in the bible really meant. In the day of the prophets, spiritual light meant Knowledge and truth, not Illumination. Any use of Illuminated light is to deceive and sound supernatural and superstitious. Illuminated Light cult talk was no different back then as it is with New agers now. In other words Christian theology was the new agers of their time, adding to the bible, distorting it and making up supernatural powers and fantasy through words they had no understanding to. All talk and no substance or proof backing it’s outrageous claims. This is the warning of Lucifer=the one who brings illuminated Light. Morning Star=Lucifer and Rev 22:16 Jesus claims to be that morning star. However, there is more to the warning then meets the eye as the illuminated light hint might also reveal where the story of Paul comes from.
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          During the celebration of Christmas people worship the birth of the many pagan sun gods: Mithra, Baal, Horus, Ra, Zeaus etc., because during this time, the ancients declared that “God’s sun” had in the winter solstice “died” for three days and was “born again” on December 25th. But little recognized on this list is the one called Sol. He was said to die on Dec. 21 and to be reborn on Dec. 25. Sol, as in solar, could have been where the term Saul came from as Pol (Apollo & Apollonius) seems to become the name Paul.
          During the time of Christ, Apollonius came to be the best known healer, prophet and religious authority in the known world. born: AD 2, died: AD 98 or 99 which is similar to time of Paul. The Greek Apollonius (named after the Greek sun god Apollo) was devoted to discovering and understanding all of the secret doctrines of all of the world’s religions which would explain if he was Paul, why Paul compiled all cultures into one tree of knowledge of good and evil (Genesis Warning).
          Apollonius is the one responsible for bringing the myths of Krishna into the Christ myth because he brought back to Rome the teachings of Krishna who Greeks called “Christos”. Hierocles claimed, it was Apollonius’ library that was plagiarized to produce the New Testament, then Apollonius must have been the basis for the character of Paul of Tarsus. Paul, like Apollonius, was not married both came from Tarsus (Apollonius moved there at a young age) and he was called also called “POL”. Paul often wrote in his epistles as if those teachings were his own, not saying whose they were. If Paul was the Greek POL then this would fit Daniel 10 the prince of Greece. In Revelation 12, Michael leaves the temple to cast Satan out of heaven (future earth)where the clue is in the midpoint of the 70th week of years when the antichrist is revealed and defiles the temple matching Antiochus in the second century B.C and what the Roman Army did in 70 A.D., so the destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad occurred after Michael left. Notice In Daniel 10 the angel said, that after he left, that the “prince of Greece” would come. That is exactly how the eighth king(antichrist) came and was revealed as the “Greek” term CHRISTos which was the Pagan Prince or this Apollo/Pol (Paul) of Greece with the Krishna Myth masked on him, but not Israel’s Prince Messiah. Apollonius’ passion for learning the secrets of every religion might be why the Myth of Jesus and the religion seems compiled of many myths and cultures. He was reputed to have forced his way into the Holy of Holies, and got jailed for it. The Pharasees wanted him killed, but to his Roman jailers, this was not a killing offense, but neither could they release him. does this not sound like the story might have been used in writting about Jesus? They sought to flog him, but Apollonius stood on his Roman citizenship and the jailers backed down. Eventually, he was transfered out. He was also reported to have been imprisoned in Damascus, because of similar efforts. So now we see this POL in Damascus as Paul is said to have found himself. After a time, Apollonius was smuggled out of a window and into a wicker basket, similar to a story told of Paul (2 Co. 11:33).
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          • Karolyn

            Coal Miner – Very interesting!! It is unfortunate that so many people are afraid of this kind of writing.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            coal miner,
            I find it very strange that you take the words of God as devinely influenced as bald face lies but take the words of men that had no idea whether what they say is true or not as gosple truth!! You claim that the bible is just the words of men yet you expect us to take the word of just men?? You make no sense when you talk in circles as you do!!

          • Jay

            Joe H, excellent observation, as well, a sound argument!!!

          • karolyn

            Well, Jay & Joe – Those “words of God” came to us through Paul, so wouldn’t it be incumbent upon us to check him out?

      • Jay

        Absolutely, Bob from Calif. Furthermore, if He is the One who drew the blueprints, it seems reasonable to assume, He is the only One eligible to determine the application and the governing laws in regards to His creation. Thus He provided His word,the scriptures, as God would not have us in the dark regarding His laws. But should He not have made us privy to His laws, He would then, not be able to charge us guilty, for breaking His laws.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Jay,
          Tell a judge that you didn’t know what you did was a crime and he/she will tell you that ignorance of the law is no excuse!!

          • Jay

            Yes, and if one were to offer such a ridiculous argument in their defence, no doubt the judge would then recommend a psychiatric evaluation!!!

    • http://naver sook young

      It is also folly to think that such a lifestyle will be accepted by our society. Thank you.

      Sook Young
      Wife of the Samurai

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    Okay.. Is this something that has to be purchased additionally? If so, what is the big deal? And if it is something that is included, delete it if you don’t want it! Again, what is the big deal?

  • KJ

    Homosexuality is a hot button issue. Christianity in today’s society is also a hot button issue. And science comes up with all sorts of different answers on things and issues depending upon who you talk to at that time. Individually, we must seek the truth for ourselves through due diligence. The truth has no agenda and nothing to hide. Therefore, this app is a source of information for those who choose to look at the information provided and decide for themselves if it is useful for the person checking out the app. From the Christian aspect from what I can tell, there is nothing biblical about homosexuality and they would like to share God with whoever and show them how God’s love could work for them. From the science standpoint, my feelings are they are givings reasons due to whatever tests they run giving reasons why whether it be btain function, home life, etc etc. No matter what, each should present facts known to them and quit this mud throwing that seems to happen all to often. Bottom line, whether we agree or disagree this hate thing going on serves no purpose but to destroy societies.
    Again, find the truth for it does not have an agenda. Lies create lots of chaos with ulterior motives.

  • DEL

    “Nonprofit activism group Truth Wins Out claims that it has collected more than 100,000 signatures in favor of Apple removing….The organization claims that the Christian ministry uses “scare tactics, misinformation, stereotypes and distortions” in an attempt to recruit customers.”

    REALLY! WHAT IS THERE TO FEAR if you truely believe that homosexuality is normal and your born that way? Just like the atheists who claim there is no GOD but, FEAR the mention of HIS name. If they’re so sure they’re right, they’d have no reason to care what others believe and say.

    • James in NY

      What is objectionable is the spread of misinformation that appears as truth because it is available via the app. Apple is free to run it’s business and provide services as it sees fit and conversely customers are free to not patronize a business because they object to some of the things a business does. Some people want to boycott particular media outfits because of the content of programs they run. People are free to do that and the media outlet is free to ignore or respond to the boycott. The market decides. It is not really a question of free speech. Free speech is waht we have when we post comments on this website. But Apple should be aware that just about all of my gay friends have an IPhone and some also have IPads and IMacs. I don’t use a smart phone and don’t own any Apple products. But the IPhone seems to be a must have in the gay community. I don’t think Apple would want to upset an important customer base.

      • Jay

        James, your statement is a contradiction, and a veiled threat. Interesting!

        • James in NY

          A veiled threat? How so? All i said is the market will determine.

          • Jay

            But the IPhone seems to be a must have in the gay community. I don’t think Apple would want to upset an important customer base. Sounds like a threat to me James in NY.

          • http://naver sook young

            Me too. The gay community is always threatening people, businesses, morals, and churches if they make a stand against them. Take the chain store Target. They accept the gay community, but will not let the Salvation Army people to stand in front of their stores at Christmas time. Why? Because of their religious convictions and by being anti gay. This is just one of the many examples you can see and hear about today. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • Kinetic1

        Jay,
        What I read is that James feels that it is a matter of business whether or not Apple allows this app to be sold on their site. I see his point. Apple could suffer financially by alienating the gay community. It’s not a threat anymore than saying a free satanic ritual app might alienate the Christian community. It’s a statement of fact.

  • Dean

    Certain groups today think they are only ones allowed to express an opinion and they are viciously working to prevent others from having the same opportunity! They are exactly what they claim to oppose!

  • Raggs

    What ever happened to FREEDOM OF SPEECH? If apple wants to use this app so be it! I’m sure that if apple had produced an app of two guys playing on the bed it would have been perfectly fine in the liberal mindset.

    • Kinetic1

      Raggs,
      Freedom of Speech guarantees that the government can’t punish you for what you have to say (with some limitations) but has nothing to do with protecting your right to say what you want on T.V. or Radio or anywhere else in the public sector. If I start spouting off anti gay sentiments in a gay bar, they have the right to boot me out. Same goes for promoting homosexuality in a church. Anyway, this isn’t about Exodus’ right to offer an app that simply expresses their feelings about gays, but one that offers discredited and potentialy dangerous methods to change.

      As to the

    • Kinetic1

      Raggs,
      As to the gay sexual positions app, it as well as an app for straight couples does exist. Both are age limited, as I feel the Exodus app should be. My objection relates to troubled teens looking for answers and being mislead by the Exodus app. Teens need honest counseling, not one sided pressure.

      • http://naver sook young

        Sorry, but giving advice from God’s perspective isn’t pressuing anyone. If you feel that way, it may be that you aren’t a Christian and don’t have God and Jesus in your heart. Remember that they ask you to do things while the gay community is issuing threats to people, places, and things. There really is a big difference. If they can, I hope they reverse their decision and put it back on line. Why don’t they take off those disgusting gay sites? A man kissing another man is not natural and shouldn’t be shown on the internet. What if some children were able to view these sites, how would you feel about that? I’d never let my children watch them. If you let them, then you don’t really care about what your kids do and are a bad parent. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Kinetic1

          sook young,
          My but you do have lot of questions about my personal life. That’s what bothers me most about people on the right who want to regulate what we do in our homes. Keep the government out of my business, but we must have laws for the bedroom!

          As a matter of fact, I don’t want my children exposed to any sort of sex on the internet and have installed blocking software to regulate my computer’s use. As I explained to my teen age son, those sites that the kids at school are recommending present an artificial view of sex and will do little more than confuse you and set up false expectations about what women want and how they should be treated. I miss the days when the worst thing you had to worry about was a Playboy under the mattress.

          • http://naver sook young

            Thank you for keeping the children away from those sites. Sorry for the many questions, but I also am a parent of four children and would never let them look at these sites, read playboy, hustler, or any other type of “smut” magazine. If the gays don’t want to see this on the Ipod then just tell them to not watch it. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

  • Jay

    Let freedom of speech reign!!! Is Mr. Remafedi a legitimate scientist? A legitimate scientist, should, first and foremost, posses the humility and common sense to respect and understand the limits of science.

    We associate science with ideas like hypothesis, experiment, data, evidence, modified hypothesis, theory, prediction, explanation, and so on. But a precise definition of science is elusive.

    For instance, Michael Ruse says that science “by definition deals only with the natural, the repeatable, that which is governed by law.” On the plus side, this definition would certainly allow us to distinguish between astronomy and astrology. However, it would rule out most of contemporary cosmology as science. After all, the history of the universe is not repeatable!

    Ruse’s inadequate definition reminds us that not all science carries with it the same kind of authority. There is a danger of endowing inferences to the best explanation about unrepeatable past events with the authority of results derived from repeated experimentation.

    To complicate matters even further, the Enlightenment ideal of the observer–one completely independent; free of all preconceived theories and prior philosophical , ethical, and religious commitments, doing investigations and coming to dispassionate, unbiased, rational conclusions that constitute absolute truth, is nowadays regarded as an idealized myth.

    In common with the rest of humanity, scientists have preconceived ideas and world views that they bring to bear on every situation. Even observations tend to be “theory laden”; we cannot take a temperature without having an underlying theory of heat.

    Also, theories tend to be underdetermined by the data; for instance, infinitely many curves can be drawn through any finite set of points. Furthermore, at the quantum level the very process of observation gives rise to disturbances that cannot be ignored.
    By its very nature, therefore, science posses a certain degree of provisionality.

    It should be noted, that this is far from implying that science is a totally subjective and arbitrary social construct, as has been suggested by some post-modern thinkers. It is probably fair to say that many scientists are critical realists who hold that their theories, though not amounting to “truth” in any final or absolute sense, nevertheless give them an increasingly firm handle on reality. For example, consider the development of the understanding of the universe, from Galileo via Newton and Einstein.

    Are there any limits to scientific explanation?
    At the materialist end of the spectrum, some hold that science is the only way to truth and can (ultimately) explain everything. According to Peter Atkins, “There is no reason to suppose that science cannot deal with every aspect of existence.” This view is called scientism.
    If Atkin’s claim were true, it would at once spell the end of many academic disciplines, such as philosophy, ethics, literature, poetry, art, and music. How could science tell us whether a poem is a bad poem or a work of genius? Science can tell you that if you add strychnine to someone’s drink, it will kill her, but it cannot tell you whether it is morally right or wrong to put strychnine into your grandmother’s tea in order to get your hands on her property.

    Worse still, scientism is incoherent. Bertrand Russel, (a homosexual) wrote, “Whatever knowledge is attainable, must be attained by scientific methods; and what science cannot discover, mankind cannot know.” But Russel’s statement is not a statement of science, so if his statement is true we cannot know it, which contradicts the very assertion that is being made! It is therefore incoherent.

    Those who are committed to scientism regard all talk of God and religious experience as outside of science and therefore not objectively true, whatever the benefits claimed for it. But for them, thinking about God is like thinking about Father Christmas, dragons, or fairies. The fact that you can think about them does not mean that they exist. These scientists, are more then happy to let people go on thinking about God and religion so long as they do not claim that God has any objective existence or that religious belief constitutes knowledge.

    In light of the above, Mr.Remafedi’s accusation, that the Christian group Exodus, twisted the work of scientists, including his own, in order to fool clients (homosexuals) that they can convert from gay to straight, should come as no surprise!

  • patrick

    I have been offering a trillion dollars to anyone that can show me scientific proof that there is such a thing as a GAY gene in human DNA. NO… you are NOT born that way!!! You learn your gay, weird lifestyle. STOP trying to convince me and millions of other humans that you are normal. Anytime a male is driven to put his penis into another man’s ass is sick. Plain and simple. That hole is used for emptying one’s waste products after you finish digesting food. Sad fact is that if these weird gay people keep up their demands that we accept them, it won’t be to long before they are extinct!!! Yes, I second that. You see there must be one male and one female, one to produce an egg and the other to fertilize it, then we have babies. With either 2 women or 2 men…. no babies… no more querr gay people

    • James in NY

      Patrick – Gay people have been around since the beginning of time and will always be around. For the most part, my gay friends and I are the offspring of heterosexuals. Everyday, more gay people are born. I have male gay friends who have their own children, children they fathered through surrogate mothers. I doubt these children have a greater chance of being gay than children fathered by a heterosexual father. These children are young. We shall see in a few years time. Thank you for your explaining the birds and the bees to us. By your logic however, gay people should have been extinct before Noah’s time. You seem to be wrong.

      • Dale on the left coast

        James . . . that is why they are always Recruiting new Followers.
        Before the aids thing in the 80′s . . . San Fran poofs were giving spa/bath house memberships free to high-school students. This was banned in the mid 80′s for obvious reasons. Today elementary schools are used as recruiting tools. Masters and Johnson released probabaly the best study in the 80′s saying the lifestyle is a “Learned Phenom” . . .

        • karolyn

          There is no such thing as “recruiting” people to be gay! That is just plain ridiculous. Ask any intelligent gay person (and most of the ones I’ve met are of above-average intelligence.). You people spout off so much garbage, and you don’t even know what you’re talking about. Most of you have probably never had an intelligent conversation with a gay person, let alone been friends with one. I have; and they have been some of the best friends I’ve ever had.

          • Jay

            Karolyn, at this point, the garbage and the hatred seems to be coming from you! No one hear stated they hated gays, only the life style. Calm down!!!

          • Kinetic1

            Jay,
            Don’t you think that accusing people of recruiting children for homosexuality is more than just “attacking the life style”? I admit that I haven’t seen the word”hate” used in this conversation, but in the past I have seen members of this site suggest sitting on the roof and picking off gays with a rifle. That suggests a little more than just “attacking the act.”

          • Richard Pawley

            However, Karolyn, there have been many boys who were raped by men who eventually turned to the gay life style, and sometimes became child molesters themselves. Nothing just happens and there is always a cause, although we don’t always see it or know it. I’m sorry you had such a time growing up in whatever church you were forced to attend as a youngster but as I wrote elsewhere here, you never knew Jesus although you may have thought you did. Being a Christian is not going to church or following rules and regulations. It is being filled with the Holy Spirit that He sends (See chapter two of ACTS) and growing in spiritual awareness so that people can see Jesus in what you do and are. It is becoming Christ-like filled with joy and love and mercy and even working miracles is not proof one is godly. Jesus himself said that and the dark side was able to turn the Pharaoh’s staff into a snake the same as Moses. The Bible says after the world economy crashes and a new money system is set up for the whole world, that there will eventually be a world leader who will make Hitler look like a boy scout and he will be able to call fire down from the sky (whatever that means) but many will be convinced that he is God, presumably because no one else can do that. He will also set up a money system (according to the Bible) wherein no one will be able to buy or sell without his ‘mark’ (or microchip) in their right hand or forehead – not even a king. Many dismiss all this but they do so at their own peril. We are living in the beginning of the end times. How long they will last I do not know. Some believe this the last generation while others believe it could be a long time before humanity is wiped out by a myriad of comets or asteroids hitting the earth. Whatever god you believe in now is not a god except in his or her own mind if they dismiss the Bible as unimportant or untrue. Difficult in places, true, subject to interpretation in some areas, yes, but it also says in the last days (which we have entered into) men will call good evil and evil good. There are many working towards that goal right now, and you will see the hatred for God and all He stands for increase and when the world is finally destroyed it will be so corrupt that it will only be justice.

        • James in NY

          A most ridiculous post. It shows you are completely ignorant when it comes to gay people. None of my many gay friends were “recruited” into the gay world. We were all born gay. As I said earlier, more gay people are born everyday – about 1 in every 12 births. Accept the fact.

          • Jay

            James, I’ve read your posts before, but none of them expressed the passion and the zeal of your statements with respect to this issue. I understand the vehement defence you display for your friends, but no one is attacking them, nor the gay community. Just the life style! Calm down…

          • http://?? Joe H.

            James,
            show me scientific proof that you were born gay! don’t forget that for every site that says you were, I can cite one that says you weren’t! so show me proof positive!!

          • http://naver samurai

            James you got just 5 seconds to show some factual evidence that you were born gay. Just another lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxist remark that is no more than a bald faced lie. You say 1 in 12 people born in this country are born gay? How the h*** would you know this? Cite your source, but I want to warn you that I’ll be looking for it. I’ll also come back with a stronger attack then you just did. These posts of yours are nothing more than sheer rhetoric and inuendo. The gauntlet lies at your feet, what are you going to do moron? 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • karolyn

            samurai – How can YOU have the AUDACITY to tell someone what they feel in their innermost being is wrong?????

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            JoeH,

            Show me scientific proof that you are not a idiot.Ha HA hA

          • http://?? Joe H.

            coaL mineR
            I can do that very easily!!! I don’t agree with YOU!!! There, see how easy that was?!?!?!?

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry Karolyn, but we know that being gay is wrong, no matter how you feel in your heart. Feelings are irrelevent, but the Bible and facts are relevent. “A good leader doesn’t allow his personal feelings and beliefs to interfere with his good judgement at any time.” My father told me that when I first went into the military. He had 30 years in at that time, so he knew what he was saying. Also, he didn’t present any facts or sources to back up what he said. If he would have done this, his arguement would have been able to stand on its own. Since he didn’t do that, its just heresay and brings nothing to the table of discussion. That’s what I want him to do is present evidence to support what he said, not some very gay leaning crap either. If he can’t or won’t do this, then he’s no better than others who troll this site with nothing but garbage type posting. Have a good weekend Karolyn. Get plenty of rest, because Monday a new offensive against the lib traitors in this country commences. Coal dungger, if you think the words and wisdom of men are greater than God’s, then you really are a moron. Better start changing before you start feeling that unquenchable fire of hades. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • CJM

      I’m sure, Patrick, you feel safe in offering a prize that you could not pay out if the facts were presented to you; more than likely, if the facts were presented, you would deny them anyway. Fact is: there are people who were “born that way.” If not, please define and what a morphodite is. Also, please explain how the testosterone wash that occurs just prior to birth can actually make the determination of one’s orientation–bet you can’t because you have never taken the time to look it up. Another thing, how is it that you can describe the act of sex between two males if you are not homosexual? Are you that sure of your wisdom? Makes me wonder. And lastly, I want to tell you that I am glad my God differs significantly from yours because, you see, my God is perfect in every way for He is incapable of hating anyone and certainly would not refer to a human being in the derogatory terms that you used in your post.

      By the way, the term homosexuality was never used in the orginal scriptures according to historians. This reference was added when Constantine demanded the revision of the Bible; the individual who placed the scripture as an original passage was a priest who had engaged in same-sex practices much of his life. When he came to terms with his ‘perversion’, he wanted to absolve himself of any sinful behavior and thus, the infamous passage found its way into Christian precepts.

      • Dale on the left coast

        God hates the sin . . . but loves the sinner. You are right . . . the word homosexual is not used in the Bible . . . but of course the word was not invented yet!!! But the discription of “it” is beyond clear.

        • Jay

          Dale, the description is unmistakable!!!

    • karolyn

      That’s a really weird concept. Are you somehow saying that a man and a woman can’t have a gay child? Actually, that’s what you said. Well, how did the gays in society come to be? I’m speechless.

      • Jay

        Not only are you speechless, your clueless. Your hate for Christians is palpable!

        • Karolyn

          My hate for Christians?????? Where on earth did you get that idea? I have only love for my fellow man. After all, we are all one.

          • Kinetic1

            We don’t hate the Christians, only the act :~} Seriously, their are those Christians who live their lives according to their beliefs and accept that non-believers will live according to their own, and then there are those who feel the world must accept their way and no other. I have no more desire to regulate the lives of christians than I do gays, as long as you are not hurting others and your public actions are not offensive to the majority. And just so you understand. I’m a bit of a prude. I like to see people holding hands, and a sweet little kiss is fine, but I really don’t need to see any couple making out in the park. If you need to roll around like that, get a room.

          • Kinetic1

            I hate it when I reconstruct a sentence and forget to change the form. That obviously should have read “Seriously, there are those …”

    • Kinetic1

      patrick,
      Anal sex is not limited to gays. In fact, it is becoming more and more common among heterosexual couples. The prostate can be a potent arousal point. Does this mean that it was meant for more than just waste disposal? I don’t know, but it does sort of put a dent in your theory.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Speaking from experience???

        • Kinetic1

          JoeH,
          I would expect nothing more from you.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Sheesh! All I did was ask a question of you!!

      • http://naver sook young

        That’s not true. Anal sex isn’t normal either, but is more acceptable than Gays. The one thing that you have overlooked in your theory Kinetic1 is that diseases are more easily spread by anal sex then by regular sex. Why do you think that hospitals give people suppositories to treat patients. Things placed into the anal area is absorbed more quickly into the blood stream than by the normal sexual intercourse. Other than just STD’s and AIDS, you can also get hepititis from fecal matter in someones rectum. So, if someone likes that way better, they stand a chance at spreading diseases more quickly. In a woman’s vigina and uterus are a lot of acidic compounds that act as a defense against infection by viruses and bacteria. These compounds actually weaken the walls of the germs and dissolve them, causing them to die. I hope you’re not speaking as someone who actually does this disgusting act. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Kinetic1

          sook young,
          As you seem genuinely concerned, no. As I said in another post, I’m actually a bit of a prude. My point is that those who look on gays as a disgusting abomination tend to overlook the fact that they aren’t the only ones practicing Anal sex. One also must consider the fact that not all Homosexuals practice it either. Aside from the fact that there are two people of the same sex involved, the relationships of those homosexuals I know are not all that different from any “straight” couple.

          • http://naver sook young

            OK, I understand. Although it is still an immoral lifestyle. As far as being concerned, I’m a mother and a nurse, so I guess you can say I’m concerned. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • karolyn

        There you go, Kinectic. It is arousing for women too. Why would that be, thinking in an evolutionary sense? I think that a great many people have not experienced a great many different ways to have sex. Without going into graphic details, stimulation of the anus is naturally arousing for homo sapiens whether people admit it or not.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          I suppose you are speaking from experience??

          • http://naver samurai

            I remember her telling my wife she had no children, so what experience does she have? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Jay

    My apologies. The information I posted above, excluding my personal application of it, was extracted from a document written by: John Lennox

  • CJM

    In the first place, homosexuality can be either one of two things: (1) a preferred choice in that this is the life-style the individual chooses to live under; and (2) a true medical anomaly in that the individual may have all the appearances of being either male or female, but has more testosterone that makes a female more male or more estrogen that makes a male more female (this is a proven fact, folks–not junk science), or may have the presence of both male and female reproductive organs either in part or complete sets (how do you think morphodites came into existance?), or may be psychologically inclined that they really believe they are a male or female trapped in the wrong body (and yes, this is a medical condition given that it is a mental perspective of who the individual beleives him/herself to be).

    The first, preferred choice, is the only one that the individual can actually change on their own, whether or not they choose God as a means for intervention is up to them. People in this category have strong opinions as to what they truly represent and are not that likely to change.

    The second group, medical anomalies, is more difficult to deal with for several reasons. Religious groups refuse to accept this as a true diagnosis, preferring to castigate the victim of this anomaly as opposed to expressing compassion for their condition because of the narrow religious thinking on defining what they perceive to be homosexuality. There are medical practitioners, including psychiatrists, who have worked with these individuals, many successfully from a medical standpoint. Socially, the individuals are still ostracized and treated with contempt. These transgenders have gone through great expense to correct the problem, yet society wants nothing to do with them. Makes you wonder, is this how one who shows such contempt for a transgender would heap that same contempt on one who has leprosy or a form of cancer?

    There are many who suffer this condition and cannot afford the surgeries that would make the changes necessary for them to be a complete person. The end result is that they are lumped together with those who have made a preferred choice and are continuously ostracized for something they have no control over. That’s the problem with religious groups–they don’t bother to find out why something exists, they simply castigate the individual for being what the religious group detests. And before anyone gets all riled up about what I have said, do some homework like I did—I now have more compassion for these people because I at least understand there are other reasons why they have become a homosexual. I no longer believe that God hates these folks–if God hates, He cannot be perfect.

    • karolyn

      “if God hates, He cannot be perfect.” YES! And, God loves us all just as we are, just as we have been made.

      • Jay

        You’re twisting scripture Karolyn. God loves us, yes, but not spiritually disfigured as we are. Otherwise, why did He deemed it necessary to die for the sin of the world?
        He saw in us something we could not see. What was it? Sin!!! Unless of course, you do not believe that part of scriptures. Does your literature that you study consist of the “Jesus Seminar” publications, and the likes, where things are deleted or omitted? If so, then your fallacious statements are completely understandable.

        • Karolyn

          Actually, Jay, I am no longer a Christian. I do not believe that Jesus died for our sins. I believe Jesus was the most enlightened human ever born. I believe that God does not punish us for how he made us to be. It makes no sense. We are all one with God. You see, I have a totally open mind. I may be wrong, but so might you! We each have our own path.

          • Jay

            Yes, we all have our paths, but remember, all roads do not lead to Rome! Happy trails…

          • Kinetic1

            Karolyn,
            Allah-u-Abha

          • http://naver sook young

            Believing in God, Jesus, and staying on the straight and narrow path is the only way to get into heaven. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • karolyn

            There is no such place called heaven.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Karolyn,
            I would rather believe there is and be wrong than believe, as you do, that there isn’t and be proved wrong!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Karolyn, that is one of the biggest lies I’ve ever read in any of your posts. Don’t you tell it again! Understand me? How can you believe in God and Jesus, but say there is no heaven? People like you are what is wrong with this country. If we went back to doing things the ways of our Christian Founding Fathers, this country would be in a lot better shape than it is now. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • karolyn

      I can’t accept that theory that having too much testosterone makes a woman gay. What about the beautiful, feminine lesbians? And then there are the totally hunky and masculine gay men to take into consideration. Rock Hudson was a hunk! Women adored him.

      • libertytrain

        got to agree with you karolyn – too many lipstick lesbians out there that are beautiful I have a young cousin who is stunning and the woman I had met as her partner was another beautiful woman. Both look like Victoria Secret models.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    3)Trinty College:

    Myth and Realty:
    For many people, much of what they think they know about GLBT people is based on the myths they’ve heard about them, not the realities. Sorting out the myths and realities can lead to greater self-awareness which motivates us to learn more and become accepting of those whose sexual orientation may be different from our own.
    • People who are lesbian, gay, and transgender can usually be identified by certain mannerisms or physical characteristics.

    GLBT people come in as many different shapes, colors, and sizes as do heterosexuals. Only a very small percentage has stereotypic mannerisms and characteristics. In fact, many heterosexuals portray a variety of the so-called gay stereotypic characteristics. Some members of different subcultures may tend to mimic or imitate specific behaviors in an effort to “fit in.”

    • In a GLBT relationship, one partner usually plays the “husband” or “butch” role and the other plays the “wife” or “femme” role.

    This is an old pattern that was evident in some gay or lesbian relationships when gay and lesbian people had only the traditional heterosexual relationships as a model. Today, most gay and lesbian people work to develop relationships based on principles of equality and mutuality where there are loved for who they are and not for the roles they play. There is no right or wrong way that prescribes how to divide roles between partners.

    • We do not know what causes homosexuality.

    This is by far one of the most controversial issues. Perhaps a better question would be: “What determines our sexual orientation?” To date, no research has conclusively established the causes of either homosexuality, bisexuality, or heterosexuality. Some believe that orientation is predetermined genetically or hormonally. Others maintain that all humans are predisposed to all variations of sexual/affectionate behavior and learn their orientation.

    • Most people who are lesbian or gay could be cured by having really good sex with a member of the other sex.

    There are no cures. Many gay and lesbian people have had satisfying heterosexual experiences in their lifetime. Most people who identify as gay or lesbian would never choose to be sexually active with members of the other sex and would resent and challenge the inference that heterosexuals have a corner on the market of “good sex.”

    • The majority of child molesters are gay or lesbian.

    Statistics regarding child molestation prepared by the Boston Advocates for Human Rights reveal that, “the vast majority of child molestation – over 90% – is performed by heterosexual males. The man who is sexually interested in children is rarely homosexual.”

    • Most people who are lesbian or gay regard themselves as members of the other sex.

    Most, if not all, gay and lesbian people are very happy with their gender. In many ways, their identity is seen as a celebration and affirmation of their gender, not a rejection of it. Many times people confuse homosexuality with transsexuality or transvestism. Transsexual people feel as if they were born into the wrong body and should be the other sex. Transvestites are people who often dress in the traditional clothing of the other sex. Most transvestites are heterosexual.

    • Homosexuality is not “natural,” that is, it does not exist in nature; therefore this proves it is dysfunctional.

    Each culture defines what is “natural” to fit its own context. Historians tell us that homosexuality has existed since the earliest of human societies. Anthropologists report that lesbians and gay men have been part of every culture. In one study of non-Western cultures, 64% of the respondents considered homosexuality as “normal and socially acceptable.” It is also a well known fact that same sex behavior is “natural” between animals.

    • People who are GLBT should not be teachers because they will try to convert their students to their lifestyle.

    It is impossible to convert heterosexuals to being homosexuals, just as it is impossible to convert homosexuals to being heterosexuals. Based on what is known about sexual attraction, this is simply not possible.

    • People who are GLBT have made a conscious decision to be that way.

    While researchers continue to disagree on the causes of sexual orientation, most agree that there is a predisposition or genetic relationship involved. The only place where choice seems to come into play is when GLBT people decide how they will acknowledge the identity that they are. “Coming Out,” or acknowledging one’s sexual orientation, to oneself or others, can be a lifelong process. GLBT people are often in a continual state of deciding whom to come out to, and with whom to “stay in the closet.”

    • There are very few “bisexuals;” most people are either completely homosexual or heterosexual.

    The pioneering studies of Dr. Alfred Kinsey and his associates are most frequently cited on this question. This data suggested that, in fact, few people are predominantly heterosexual or homosexual. Most people fall somewhere along the continuum between these two end of the scale, and thus, have the capacity to experience both affection and sexual feelings for members of both sexes.

    • There are some significant differences among the lifestyles of GLBT people.

    This tends to be a true statement in that all people tend to develop their own individual lifestyle. Just like there are differences between the lifestyles between men and women, there are differences between the lifestyles of gay men and lesbians. It is also important to note that there are significant distinctions between the communities. For example, just as there are a variety of different women, so are there a variety of different lesbians.

    • Homosexuality is a type of mental illness and can be cured by appropriate psychotherapy.

    In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from its list of official mental illnesses. In 1974 the American Psychological Association did the same. The APA went further to state that: “Homosexuality, per se, implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capacities.”

    • One homosexual experience as an adolescent will play a large part in determining whether a person will be homosexually oriented as an adult.

    Many, and perhaps most, gay and lesbian people have had early heterosexual experiences, and continue to identify themselves as gay or lesbian. Similarly, there are many heterosexual people who have had sexual contact with a person of the same sex, and continue to define themselves as heterosexual. Sexual orientation for most people goes well beyond just sexual acts, including both a culture and lifestyle.

  • American

    Homosexuality has been around for thousands of years and was considered a sexual deviance, or psychological abnormality, for hundreds of years. After the protests of the 60′s, when peple discovered that others will accept them if they scream loud enough, the pshychological community changed the wording in their writings to dispute their prior claims. Basically, they bowed to the pressure of gays. Since then, there has been study after study after study trying to prove that homosexuality is not a sexual perversion but that “God made me this way.” No evidence has been found to date that it is anything other than a lifestyle choice. In fact, NARTHA has proven that it IS psychological and that gays who seriously want to change their lifestyle can do so. That means God didn’t really make them that way. I have a sister and a neice who are lesbians and love them both dearly but still don’t believe in all the propoganda shouted form the rainbow covered gays. They want to denounce men who rape or fondle children, those who have “relations” with animals, yet they think their crimes against nature are instilled in them by God. I have never believed this and recently came across an article that agrees with me. Check out http://www.bible.ca/s-Homo-Genetic.htm for the facts given by over 1,000 certified psychiatrists, pyschologists and others in the field who have proven that gays can change their sexual orientation if they really want to.

    • American

      I meant NARTH, not NARTHA

      • Kinetic1

        American,
        NARTH uses “reparative therapy” to help correct homosexual behavior. As I noted before, reparative therapy has been condemned by all major psychiatric groups and according to the American Psychiatric Association can “lead to depression, anxiety and self destructive behavior, and may reinforce self hatred.”

        Using NARTH to support your claim is akin to a pedophile siting NMBLA to support their predilection.

  • Dale on the left coast

    Brain research in the last five years at Dartmouth and elsewhere has shown that human brains are not fully developed until age 25 and are particularly deficient in their frontal lobes, which control decision-making, rational thinking, judgment, the ability to plan ahead and to resist impulses.

    The Centers for Disease Control recently released information from a data analysis regarding the transmission of sexually transmitted diseases. Presented at the CDC’s National STD Prevention Conference, the data indicated that the rate of new HIV cases among men who have sex with men (referred to in shorthand as MSM) is over 44 times that of other men.

    In an effort to look at these figures from a purely scientific and public health perspective, let’s substitute smoking and cancer for homosexual sex and HIV. If the CDC released information which made a direct correlation between smoking and extremely high rates of getting cancer, people would take notice. The media would write about it. Public health organizations would make sure the news was spread. Campaigns would be launched to save lives by discouraging smoking. Public funds would be spent to deter people from engaging in such dangerous behavior. Schools would teach children about the dangers of smoking.

    Of course, as we all know, that scenario is real. Because of the now-known dangers of smoking, a warning from the Surgeon General appears on every pack of cigarettes. Public service ads saturated the airwaves over a period of years discouraging smoking. The dangers of smoking are a standard part of most health classes in schools. And it has all worked. Thirty years ago there was nothing unusual about seeing a person smoking in a restaurant, or in an office, or in a public place. Now it’s jarring to see someone lurking outside an office building, lighting up and puffing away.

    There is no hiding from the CDC’s numbers when it comes to the health dangers of homosexual sex. But political correctness and fear of being accused of bias seem to have stopped everyone from stating the simple truth: that it carries serious health risks.

    Dr. Kevin Fenton, director of CDC’s National Center for HIV/AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD, and TB Prevention had this to say about the findings: “While the heavy toll of HIV and syphilis among gay and bisexual men has been long recognized, this analysis shows just how stark the health disparities are between this and other populations.”

    Dr. Fenton was in no way suggesting that, considering the data, perhaps the whole notion of homosexual sex should be reconsidered or re-examined, or, heaven forbid, discouraged. On the contrary, he went on to toe the politically correct party line — i.e., that prevention is the key. “It is clear that we will not be able to stop the U.S. HIV epidemic until every affected community, along with health officials nationwide, prioritize the needs of gay and bisexual men with HIV prevention efforts.”

    The CDC is focused on prevention. That sounds good, right? But if prevention efforts work, why was the number of new HIV/AIDS cases among MSM in 2005 11 percent higher than the number of cases in 2001, according to the CDC’s website? The CDC lists 1981 as the year when HIV/AIDS was first diagnosed among MSM. Nearly 30 years of prevention and education efforts touting the use of condoms and regular testing have failed to pay off, for a number of reasons.

    Dr. Miriam Grossman, in her book You’re Teaching My Child What?, tells the story of Dr. Ruth Jacobs, an infectious disease specialist in Maryland, who has worked closely with AIDS patients for many years. A few years ago, at the request of a concerned parent, she reviewed a video called Protect Yourself, shown to tenth-graders in Montgomery County as part of a course called “Family Life and Human Development.” The video stated that condoms provide 98 percent protection against pregnancy and STDs, including HIV. According to Grossman, the video “implied that this nearly perfect level of protection was effective during vaginal, oral, and anal sex.”

    Dr. Jacobs knew that was just plain wrong. The 98 percent figure was applicable only to pregnancy prevention, and even then, only in “perfect use” situations.

    “Dr. Jacobs wanted students to hear what she told her patients – that due to anatomy and physiology, anal sex has been estimated to be at least 20 times riskier than vaginal,” Grossman writes. “Also missing was the information that condoms are more likely to fail during anal sex – a danger acknowledged on condom wrappers that warn consumers: ‘Non-vaginal use can increase potential damage to the condom.’” Despite Herculean efforts on the part of Dr. Jacobs – including the presentation of scientific research and the support of peers in the medical community – the Board of Education refused to listen. The video would remain as part of the course for tenth-graders.

    Grossman doesn’t hold back on the subject of what many sex education curricula teach – and don’t teach – about anal sex, no matter what genders are involved. “The truth of biology – anal sex is too dangerous – is squelched, because it contradicts the ideology of ‘anything goes – no judgments allowed.’ …Kids are encouraged to explore their sexuality, and told precisely how; with the experts’ blessings, they go out and play in traffic….And then we wonder why, after 25 years, HIV is still going strong.”

    No one wants to hear it. No one wants to say it. But the cold, hard truth is that homosexual sex is risky at best, life-threatening at worst.

    • Jay

      Dale on the left coast, it then becomes incumbent upon us, as parents, to reeducate and educate our children, every day, and to not leave it entirely in the hands of our educators!!! Believe me, I find it necessary to do this every day with my Son, who is ten years of age.

      I believe as you intimated, the public education system, with the exception of a few teachers, has become a perverse and predatory system, hell bent on destroying our children. I’ve spoken to many teachers who left the system because they couldn’t stand to see the abuse, the indoctrination, and the disregard for the children’s well being, any longer. It is no secret that the gay agenda, as well as atheism, dominates the curriculum. Thank you for your post!

      • Mushin

        Jay! are you STILL here causing trouble! My, my! glad to see your exposing these little propaganda-pushers for what they really are.

        Yes, the school systems of our country HAS been corrupted and they ARE after our children with the goal of giving them a dose of “re-education”.

        I also keep a close eye on my child as it is MY job to educate my child and not the state OR federal government – both be damned!

        No one is going to tell me how to raise my child, much less some sicko who want’s to teach my child how to view what’s “right”…..what a joke these people are!

        “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”

    • Jay

      The average homosexual, has had relationships with more than 500 different sexual partners.  In L.A., which is above the average, the average homosexual has 300 sex partners a year, almost one a day, and that’s different people.  Thirty percent of them have had over one thousand sexual partners.  And many of them have had over fifteen hundred.  They stopped counting when they reached one thousand six hundred partners. 

      The conduct of the acts that they do has no bounds.  In the gay bath houses of San Francisco where AIDS was really born and developed and from where it spread across America, it started in a small community of people in those bath houses the statistics are quite interesting.  The homosexuals there would average three nights a week in the bath house, these are very conservative figures, I was told that yesterday by a medical doctor.  They averaged three nights in the bath house a week and each night conservatively between ten and thirty sexual encounters. 

      Project that over 52 weeks a year and you can see how they literally killed each other, just spreading their disease in and around.  And when they moved from there, they took it to the rest of the nation, the rest of the world.  Every conceivable, every inconceivable act is included.  You might want to know that out of the average five hundred sexual partners that a homosexual has, the vast majority of them are anonymous.  In the gay bath house that between ten and thirty you have every night are all anonymous.  You never even see the person with which you engage yourself.

      There’s a lot of false research being done by homosexuals, trying to make this seem genetic.  None of them have succeeded on the scientific level, nor will they because the Bible tells us it is a sin. No effort at research, no research at the study of endocrinology, no effort at reexamination of science, no effort at rationalization is about to change what God says. 

      You can be sure when you hear some of this research that if it’s been done by homosexuals, or even if it’s done by homosexual advocates, they have falsified the data if they can prove in any way that somehow this could happen genetically. It is not just some kind of hereditary orientation. 

      Homosexuals Kerney and Hill of San Bernardino killed an estimated 40 victims. 

      According to the “New York Times,” quote: “The man who knows more about violent death than anyone else in the country is Dr.  Milton Helpurn(?), formerly chief medical examiner of New York City.” 

      In his biography titled Where Death Delights, Helpurn…not a Christian…wrote this, “It’s not my role to condemn homosexuality as such, and I leave it to the psychiatrists and psychologists to try to figure out why people practice homosexuality.”  He said, “I’m not to judge it.  But having performed sixty thousand autopsies, it is high time that those who deviate from the norms should understand the risks. 

      I don’t know why it is so but it seems that the violent explosions of jealousy among homosexuals far exceed those of the jealousy of a man for a woman, or a woman for a man.  The pent-up charges and energy of the homosexual relationship simply cannot be contained.  When the explosive point is reached, the result is brutally violent.” 

      Helpurn goes on, “But this is the normal pattern of these homosexual attacks, multiple stabbings, the senseless beatings that obviously must continue long after the victim dies.  When we see these brutal multiple wound cases in a single victim, we automatically assume that we are dealing with a homosexual victim and a homosexual attacker,” end quote. 

      Why?  Because there is a burning lust that is out of control.  They burn in their desires.  He went on to say in his book that in ten seconds they can look at a dead body and tell you whether it was killed by a homosexual because of the mutilations and the multiple stabbings or multiple blows.  There is a gnawing unsatisfied gripping lust that is evidence of their depravity and evidence of the fact that God has given them over, let them go. 

      And they are burning in their desire, women exchanging the natural function for what is unnatural, and men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their persons the due penalty of their error.

      There’s a species of ants that lives in some parts of Africa.They can build massive anthills, some of them twenty feet high.  And they live in subterranean tunnels that go way down into the earth where the young are sheltered.  And down in these subterranean tunnels where the ants move, there’s a special shelter for the queen. 

      The workers go on foraging trips to distant places, returning to the nest with food for the colony and particularly for the queen.  It is said by those who study them that if when they are away their queen is molested, the workers even far away become nervous and uncoordinated.  If she’s killed, they become frantic, they rush around aimlessly and eventually die in the field without ever finding their way back.  It’s thought that the worker ants in the normal situation are constantly oriented to the queen by some radar-like device. 

      If she is killed, all orientation ceases, frenzy ensues, a frenzy that ends in death.  What a parable of man, huh? 

      What a parable of man, cut off from God, he lives in a disoriented frenzy until his death, the frenzy of being disconnected from God.  Such is the condition of fallen man, of homosexual sodomites.

      • http://naver sook young

        Great post! Can you tell me the sites you used so I can look them up? Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Jay

          Sook Young,

          The site is, gracetoyou.org, a great deal of free online resources available on numerous subjects. God bless!

          • http://naver sook young

            Thank you very much Jay! I’ll access the site. God Bless you too.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • karolyn

        I’m sure your statistics came from an objective survey. NOT! Puhlease! Where on earth did somebody come up with those numbers? Totally ridiculous! Therein lies much of the problem. False, slanderous information that is fed to the hungry sheep to keep them happy.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          karolyn,
          We are supposed to accept everything you say as gospel and reject any and all that is said by anyone else??? ain’t gonna happen, lady!! Especially when you cite no sources for your “facts”!!!

  • American

    Most people believe what they do coalminer because we’ve had the gay propaganda forced on us consistently since the early 1970′s. There have been lawsuits, boycotts, printed materials amd on and on by gays over the years that try to drive it into us that they don’t have a choice in their sexual behavior and that they have the right to use sex to draw attention to themselves. There are hundreds of LGBT-type groups across the country that stage protests, marches and festivities who make money doing so and are able to pay others to bend the truth. This is the way with politics in every issue. The problem is that no one ever hears the other side of the story, the one which contains facts based on real research, because it’s vehemently surpressed by the gay community. That’s about to change.

  • Dale on the left coast

    Homosexuality versus ‘Russian Roulette’
    Russian Roulette is a lethal or potentially lethal game of chance, where a single cartridge is placed in a six shot revolver, the cylinder spun (thus the roulette aspect) and the barrel of the revolver is pointed at the head and the trigger pulled.
    The participant has a 16.67% chance of ‘Winning’. One could argue that ‘Winning’ to those participating, could possibly be either death or the avoidance of death.
    Unbiased Medical Experts generally hold, that the life expectancy of those participating in this lethal or potentially lethal Homosexual game of chance, is reduced by twenty (20) years on average.
    Those Homosexuals who survive, are faced with a life of disease, emotional and mental issues, lack of self-esteem, self-worthiness, spiritual darkness and frustration.
    Those of us who warn others to NOT choose to participate in such a dangerous life style, are accused of being ‘Closet Russian Roulette’ players and mean spirited, un-enlightened, un-educated bigots, without compassion or love for individuals who have chosen this behavior.
    Homosexual Apologists take the ‘Easy Road’ and laud and encourage such behavior, because it doesn’t cost them anything – ‘They Think’.
    Homosexuals are like children playing with ‘Matches and Gasoline’ and any critical thinker or any one with common sense, can easily see that the potential to harm all of Society, NOT just the children is a certainty.
    Real love, compassion and understanding, is to warn those participating in the game of ‘Homosexual Russian Roulette’ not in helping them to ‘Play’.

    Homosexuality is a Chosen behavior
    Some humans are confused about the difference between ‘Innate Knowledge’ and instinct. This is where most discussions about Homosexuality breaks down.
    Fear of being burned must be learned, fear of heights must be learned and many other things that can kill or injure humans.
    Babies are born wanting to be fed and given water – these are instincts.
    Humans are born to procreate (instinct) for survival of the Human race.
    Any deviation from instinct is either chosen or taught behavior.
    Homosexuality is a chosen behavior that is not dictated by instinct, innately or genetically.

    What Separates Animals from Humans?
    Homosexuals posit the argument, that they are ‘Different’ from other Humans and are unable to make choices.
    Humans have rational faculty, reason and choice, or mind and morality.
    Homosexuals and their apologists, replace that with chemical predestination or genetics.
    This is a doctrine of animal husbandry that is appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of animals, but not between animals and men.
    Homosexuals believe their ability to choose, their convictions, values and character are determined before they are born, by physical forces beyond their control.
    This is nothing more than an ignorant version of the doctrine of innate ideas – or of inherited knowledge or lack of knowledge – which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science.

    • karolyn

      I don’t think anything has been “thoroughly refuted” by philosophy and science. For one thing, how can ANYTHING be thoroughly refuted by philosophy? By it’s very nature, it is not provable.

  • http://com i41

    American, the facts are always a tough job for the progressive socialist to accept. Deviants are deviants, with the facts of people not having a developed brain until 25, No wonder kids by into to the B–l s–t of it is the way I am queer crap. One area you didn’t point out is the cultural veiws. For the blacks, when males get incarated, they switch over to being gay with out a second thought, if let out they switch back. Thre repeated jailings and the switching back and forth has become part of the community. Our penal systems would have way less problems with gangs and deviant behavior, if prisons meant 16 hours a day of hard labor. There would be the free time to create problems. For every infraction add on a hour a day of more work. That is if any feely meely bleeding hearts would quit buying into the not being unstood BS, and when jailed you freedom to live like a free person went out the window. Apparently the queers don’t want free info presented to everyone. Sounds like a socialist democrat mind set make every thing be deviant but if information is presented to the phonyness of their claims, they will not accept an opposing veiws even with facts to back up the claims.

    • karolyn

      i41 – As I’ve posted before, inmates turn to rape as a method of gaining control over other inmates. It might provide sexual release, but it is really all about power. Males doing this in prison are not gay, and they would probably put your lights out if you suggested it to them. Also, where on earth did you ever get the idea that it’s just blacks? You think white men don’t rape other white men in prison?

  • karolyn

    Here’s an interesting site showing the different biblical references to homosexuality and the different interpretations. Yes, there are different interpretations! If you delve further, it can be explained and is due to the different ways words in Greek can be used. Actually, there can be two literal meanings. So who is right? http://www.religioustolerance.org/homglance.htm

    • Scott

      Nope, I don’t buy it.
      This website says that “idea of a homosexual sexual orientation only surfaced in the 19th century after the start of the scientific study of human sexuality” (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc7.htm). Let’s just summarize that statement as FALSE.
      Another summary statement: Sex is to be reserved for marriage. Everywhere the Bible talks about marriage, it does so in the context of a man and a woman, not in gender-neutral terms.

      • Jay

        Not only that, it also specifies the purpose for sex, procreation!

    • Jay

      Karolyn, I read as much as I could stand. Now I need a shower!

    • http://naver sook young

      There is only one interpretation of homosexuality in the Bible, it’s a sin. That’s it. Case closed. As a Christian and a Psych Nurse, I really have to disagree with what you have posted and the site you have left us to look at. Thank you.

      Sook Young
      Wife of the Samurai

  • GOD

    PEACE was achieved today on planet EARTH: ALL HUMANS DIED!!!!!

    • Jay

      Cute!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      You know, I believe that God has a sense of humor. One only has to look at the duck billed platypus to see it. I also believe that even God can be pushed TOO FAR!!

      • Jay

        Joe H, the statement above reveals a great truth and confirms scriptures. When one hate’s God, he will also hate and despise His Image, man. The statement also reveals, that behind that statement, is the enemy of God and the enemy of our soul. Atheism will always bring one to that point, hate for God, and hate for His image. One need only look to the ungodly United Nations and its satellites to confirm this. Unfortunately, the shlob that posted that statement, no doubt, is blissfully unaware of his/her condition.

    • http://naver samurai

      First, change your post name. You sure aren’t God or god-like. Second, that wasn’t funny at all. About as funny as a used condom. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Jay

      And God will say: Peace now reigns on planet earth because the Devil and his lie have been DESTROYED!!!!!

  • SS McDonald

    If the general public (and Personal Liberty News Desk) would cease playing the liberal’s PC game of using euphemisms to change terminology, we would be better off. Case in point is “Gay”. This PC term changes the meaning of the the previously correct terminology in use for five Millennia: pervert, homosexual, deviant, sodomite, or queer. Some years ago, the Washington Post headline was, “300,000 Gays March in Rights Parade.” Would you even conceive the Washington Post publishing a correct terminology headline, “300,000 Queers March in Pervert’s Rights Parade” ???? I leave the correct answer to this question to your own intelligence capability.

    • Michael J.

      SS McDonald,
      Agreed, we need to encourage among others a re-insurgence of calling a spade a spade. And a “Just say no to Political Correctness” policy where ever it’s encountered.

  • Sutekh

    Science cannot prove that Jesus rose from the dead. Thus, those who believe he did are engaging in religious belief.

    History cannot prove that the Book of Mormon is true. Thus, those who insist that it is, are engaging in religious belief.

    Science cannot demonstrate that the activities of mankind, over and apart from natural events, is directly responsible for increase in average annual temperatures in some regions. Thus, global warming, or “Geocalorianity,” is a religious doctrine, complete with the “original sin” of exhaling carbon dioxide.

    The claim that there is a gay gene that makes people homosexual cannot be demonstrated scientifically. Thus, the “born gay” claim is a religious doctrine as well.

    The Supreme Court has guaranteed that the American public has the right to be free from any attempt by government or private organization to impose religous beliefs on them through education, taxation, unconstitutional laws, etc.

    If a homosexual feels better about himself by believing he was “born that way,” more power to him. By law, he should be able to go about his daily business without fear of insults, threats, violence, or harrassment. However, I will no more consent to homophiliac hyteria intimidating businesses and individuals throughout the country than I would agree to witchburning. That is why I resent the fact that anyone who publicly denies the homophliac doctrine of “born that way,” will garner for himself threats of lynching and mayhem from radical homosexual “jihadists” “defending the faith.”

    Sutekh

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