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Controlled Chaos And The Battle For The Human Mind

January 7, 2013 by  

Controlled Chaos And The Battle For The Human Mind

The psychopathic political elites use controlled chaos to advance their agenda of continued theft of wealth and liberties and gradual march to one world government.

The recent “fiscal cliff” negotiations are a perfect example of this controlled chaos. Their chaos is the result of ongoing manufactured crises, one piled upon the other.

Political elites love for the public to be whipped into a state of frenzy over thoughts of impending doom. The false two-party left/right paradigm is used to great advantage to keep the “debate” alive.

Carefully chosen words and phrases are used to create a sense of urgency over the crisis du jour. The elites then sit back wait until the midnight hour — or sometimes later — to swoop in and “save” us. They then brag about how their actions have headed off yet another catastrophe. It brings to mind a quote from Captain James T. Kirk in “Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country.” “Once again, we’ve saved civilization as we know it,” Kirk said near the end of the film.

The political elites utter these words or something similar, then pat themselves and each other on the back for their brilliance. The masses lap it up and let out a big sigh of relief that their “leaders” are so benevolent and responsible and “bipartisan,” never realizing they’ve just surrendered more liberty to the state.

The people are taught at an early age to pledge fealty to the state through the public noneducation indoctrination system. Children are taught they must not question authority. Zero tolerance policies squelch free speech and the exchange of ideas. Truths and absolutes are rejected in favor of tolerance, situational ethics and consensus. Immoralities are presented as normal lifestyles. Feelings are elevated above logic.

In public schools the great explorers of the 15th and 16th centuries are described as genocidal maniacs responsible for the destruction whole races. U.S. Founding Fathers are presented as evil, slavery-loving, women-hating bigots. Actual freedom-stealing racist tyrants are presented as role models.

The evils and murders of totalitarian regimes have been whitewashed as necessary for the safety and continuation of the state — hence the acceptance of the very uncivil war; the American love affair with the war criminals Abraham Lincoln, U.S. Grant and William T. Sherman; and the dismissal of the deaths by violence, disease and starvation of 850,000 people, many of them noncombatants. The state is presented as right and just, despite a Constitution that is outdated, inadequate and unjust.

Sometime early in the last century, republicanism was recast as democracy. It came about gradually, but purposefully. The idea of American exceptionalism was shoved down the memory hole. Over the course of the past several decades, it has been replaced with democratic exceptionalism: the idea that democracy is a superior philosophy that must be forced upon the people of all nations and that wars to install democracy are just ones.

This benefited moneyed elites. Using money from the Federal treasury (often passed through extra-governmental agencies like the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, etc.), corporate jackals and hit men would bribe and, if necessary, threaten leaders of other nations into accepting deals to build or rebuild their countries’ infrastructure. This saddled those countries with burdensome debt and locked their populations into permanent poverty and deprivation. Those leaders who did not play along were assassinated or their countries invaded by U.S. troops under some created, high-minded justification.

The justification was always cast in a way to make it seem as if the United States was once again saving civilization as we know it. The collateral damage of death and the destruction of property of the innocents was covered up or provided with justification. After all, the United States was always right and just in its international excursions.

This indoctrination has been ongoing for decades and is just one example of the gradualism the elites use to advance their cause glacially. Gradualism is necessary for the elites to retain power. Anything can be accomplished over a long period of time, as people accept this conditioning as normal.

The elites are aided and abetted in their controlled chaos by the Fourth Estate and the entertainment industry, which continue the indoctrination of the masses long after they have exited the public noneducation system.

The Fourth Estate — the mainstream media — long ago ceded its independence and became the Fourth Branch. Six media giants now control 90 percent of what we read, watch and listen to. These corporations are large feeders at the corporatist, government trough, often receiving special dispensation — thanks to the lobbying efforts of former members of the political class — as bills are crafted. Beyond that is the revolving door between Congressional and Presidential staffs and government agencies and the major media outlets. These are primarily statists, progressives and neocons, ensuring that those ideologies are continuously presented as mainstream.

This is the system I mentioned Friday. The purpose of the system is to control the people so that most of what we think about and talk about is noise.

People mimic the system because they don’t have enough information to process or separate fact from fiction or to know reality. The system permanently insulates most people from reality. There is no hope for them unless they seek reality regardless of their inbred convictions.

Those who do seek reality read regularly and long for information outside of conventional wisdom. They question everything, particularly the propaganda disseminated by the elites and their media mouthpieces. They usually converse with others of like mind.

IQ, education, professional background or even financial success in no way provides a special escape hatch from the entrapment of the system. Unless one escapes the parameters of the system, his perception of reality will be distorted one way or the other. And as long as anyone is mentally encumbered by the system, he is subject to being manipulated against his best interests. I have seen many an intelligent person act against his own best interests in order to not buck the system.

But there is enough information for those who read and search to separate fact from fiction. It takes some people a few years and others a lifetime to come to grips with it. That’s because when confronted with a challenge to prevailing or conventional wisdom, the typical human mind closes off. When this happens, the individual employs avoidance behavior, writing off the new knowledge as conspiracy theory and labeling it as “kooky,” “insane” or “stupid.” The information can then be dismissed, never to be considered again, even when presented with facts in support of the new knowledge.

For this reason, the system remains in place. It takes the atypical, curious, discerning mind to step outside the mainstream of thought.

There will be much more controlled chaos ahead. In the coming months, discussions will be on gun control, the debt ceiling and immigration reform, among others. In all of these discussions, usual buzzwords and propaganda will be used to distract and deflect the real nature of the debate.

Those stuck within the system will sit back and wait for the political class to once again save civilization as we know it. Those outside the system will work to awaken the slumbering masses to the ongoing destruction of the Constitution and foundational ideals of the Nation.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Warrior

    And “big al” finally gets his revenge upon amerika.

    • Robert Smith

      Mr. Livingston says: “Six media giants now control 90 percent of what we read, watch and listen to. These corporations are large feeders at the corporatist, government trough, often receiving special dispensation ”

      Yup. I’ve been saying for a very long time: There ain’t no such thing as “liberal” media.

      Thanks for confirming that.


      • DaveH

        So you agree with Bob then, that our information is filtered to benefit those in Power?

      • Robert Smith

        Nope. I agree that it ain’t “liberal.”


      • Steve E

        Dave, Robert doesn’t understand the question. Like Bob stated; “It takes the atypical, curious, discerning mind to step outside the mainstream of thought”. And Robert, obviously, doesn’t have that ability.

      • Flashy

        Davey…where did you come up with that from what Rob wrote? The media is controlled by a few…and it could be those “in power” or not. The lies about the “liberal media” is just that…lies. With the exception of one or two, most of the media kowtows to the industrialist and the extreme Right. FOX McNews being a major mis information outlet. though small, your Mises is also one that causes questions as to accuracy and unbiased position.

        What one has to do in this day and age is filter out the opinion and stances, take the hard data, match it with other hard data from elsewhere, and reach their own conclusion. This is something the extremist contigent …ala’ TPers and American Taliban supporters, seem unable or unwilling to do.

        Your use of numbers to hype and support a superficial position is a prime example of disinformation. you toss out some numbers, and say ‘this is what it proves”. Which is such a wrong..and with you knowing it to be wrong (if you insist they are accurate descriptions then you tell your shallow level of thought).

        That’s why all you receive is diss and insults Davey when you post. You have nothing. Shallower than a mud puddle in a parking lot, and about as swift as a glacier.

      • old hillbilly

        Liberalism is a mental illness

        Predictably, we gripe, but nothing happens because compromised citizens tolerate the deception and corruption governing our executive and legislative bodies. Those officers are held by oath to preserve and protect the “as written” Constitution and statutes of our sovereign nation. Thus, officials are held to highest standards of ethics and truth – bound to serve citizens, not self. Rigid high accounting standards, procedures, and ethics apply to government more than any corporation or citizens not bound by covenant! By the same token, the attorney general is bound by office and oath to defend law and justice! When the AG obstructs justice to aid and abet crimes… charges include those crimes plus various others including breaching oath of office and treason if the nation compromised. The same applies to executive and legislative officers! My state has jailed an impressive quantity of “high officials”, because citizens don’t tolerate it! It can get very uncomfortable for officials who accept corruption.

        “The law” requires formal official deliberation, diligence, and approval of finite budgets that are subject to internal control with independent checks and balances, top down disclosure, independent audit, etc. Unilateral spending or allowing spending outside that process is subject to immediate arrest – private or public sector. (It happens all of the time – nothing new!) As long a corrupt executive-legislative majority can appoint “their” attorney general and control the treasury and accounting staff, corruption will rule, until citizens remove them by recall, vote, or criminal prosecution in local, state, and federal courts (judges are sworn to uphold Constitution and statutes)!

        A majority of evil rules by intimidation because good people who don’t know better are easily intimidated and impressed by success. Take two or three down and their house of cards falls, democrat and republican alike. Think about Reed, McConnell, Boehner, & Pelosi – no budget in 4 years, obstructing the financial control process, passing poison pills, creating chaos to pass poison pills & boondoggle bills no one had time to read… So much mayhem and loot to account for… If your legislators are good, they’ll appreciate the help. If not, remind them of the endless violations and where it goes when cards start falling.

        Imagine – 315 million people paying enough into SSI to buy a $1.3 million payback from retirement to death (78), discovering their elected legislative-executive official “lost it all”, and are covering up their theft by raising more and more taxes. Part and parcel of that scam is a treasury that funnels tax revenue into the hands of global monopolists at near zero interest and replaces that wealth by printing bonds. Simultaneously, the FED counterfeits currency to buy those worthless bonds, which triggers inflation which devalues all forms of currency and bond into a worthless state. Meanwhile the executive-legislative accountants are busy changing the CPI market basket of prime steak and silks to “chitlin’s” and burlap to reflect citizen consumption patterns and make ther CPI index appear to have near zero inflation. Imagine applying the spending rules of no personal benefit with trust and fidelity insured to the “citizens” all officials are supposed to serve.. Why worry about impeachment, when you can have corrupted officials arrested, prosecuted, and jailed?

      • DaveH

        Flashshill says (along with his usual personal attacks and other Liberal Progressive nonsense) — “your Mises is also one that causes questions as to accuracy and unbiased position”.

        Feel free, Flashshill, to refute (with evidence) anything that the highly educated folks at Mises Institute say.

        To imagine that any of the readers would take anything you say seriously would be to imagine that they are ignorant.
        You have no credibility on this board, Flashshill. I’ve proven that many times, but I would be happy to prove it again upon request.

      • old hillbilly

        PS: Things only happen when you make them happen – the place to do it is the legislature – good legislators need to know you appreciate them – the nemesis of bad legislators is uncompromising truth and persistence – bury them in it! Tolerating deception and corruption is sinful. Local newspapers are very effective.

      • Kate8

        Uh…Robert and Flush. Do you actually read, or is the problem with comprehension?

        Here is what Mr. Livingston actually said:

        “These are primarily statists, progressives and neocons, ensuring that those ideologies are continuously presented as mainstream.”

        Therefore, your latest rants were, as usual, wasted space.

      • Robert Smith

        DavidH says: “Feel free, Flashshill, to refute (with evidence) anything that the highly educated folks at Mises Institute say.”

        The organization looks kinda anti-American to me David.

        They are opposed to democracy. “Institute scholars are often opposed to democracy, described by Institute Fellow Hans-Hermann Hoppe as Democracy: The God That Failed.”

        And they have a differing opinion on immigration: “Institute scholars disagree on the subject of immigration.[30] Walter Block argues in favor of open borders.[31] Hans-Hermann Hoppe argues that in a stateless society individuals would only be able to travel with permission of individual land owners.[32]”

        That’s from:

        Of course, if you really want me to get into it I’m sure I can find some nice juicy stuff.


      • JeffH

        I’ll try to encapulate Rob and Flashy’s comments into one word…DUH!

      • Flashy

        Kate8 … did you read what i wrote? i said nothing contrary to what Mr. Livingston wrote…nor did Rob. What i did critique was Davey’s use of numbers to mislead and attempt to support one of his inane nonsensical positions.

        heck..both you and Davey seem to have reading comprehension problems. Davey also stated i somehow termed Mises as unintelligent…i guess he assumed since he is a fan of the site it must be idiots for idiots. I merely stated as to Mises it was biased and misleading. Same with FOX McNews..same with the vast majority of news outlets and information sites.

        Seems Rob and i were two who understood what Mr. Livingston was writing…and you and Davey are the ones swimming out to the troop ships.

      • al

        That’s because they are not liberal in the classical sense genius, they are progressive, except Murdoch who is a neo-con (same difference), but you can see who those six companies campaign donations go to, and the journalists who work for them. If you read the article, Mr. Livingston wisely pointed out the phony left/right paradigm.

      • Chuck S

        Bob, you assume that that big businessmen are all conservatives – many are liberals. Like the head of costco who spoke at the democratic convention.
        Or the top people at Google, GE, etc.

      • Flashy

        “The organization looks kinda anti-American to me David.” <— Robert Smith

        Heads up Rob…one unspoken rule on this site is thou shalt not speak ill of Mises and Austrian Economics. I know i know..there's not one "live" model in history which has adhered to the theory, the concepts and assumptions cannot exist in the real world, and the number of economists which would give an audience to any of the theories is small…but you'll be spanked by the site admins if you persist. A favorite tactic is to list the few economists and their creds, and challenge you to meet them. Which, of course, unless you want to be "outed" as to identity etc, you can't.

        Be that as it may, it is the bedrock economic theory of the site. Just ignore it and laugh whenever Davey uses a link from the site to buttress whatever nonsense he's spouting. It just shows the weakness and he's grasping at straws..or knows not what he speaks..the latter is likely. Heck….Davey will post a link because the title sounds neat, not read it, and it won't even be close to whatever he is spouting.

      • DaveH

        Robert Smith does what Liberal Progressives do — misrepresents what people are saying.
        Hans Hermann Hoppe wasn’t referring to the right of every person to have representative Government, Robert. Rather he was referring to the failed concept of “democracy” where the raw majority of people can help themselves to other peoples’ property and rights.
        Just because 2 wolves and a sheep get to vote, Robert, it doesn’t give the wolves the right to vote for mutton for dinner.
        That’s why our Founders tried to protect people from the predation of the mobs with a Republic rather than a Democracy.

      • DaveH

        More nonsense from the Liberal Progressive shill, Flashman.
        Do you ever tire of your adolescent personal attacks, Flashman?
        Your manipulative emotional ploys don’t work here. You need to go to Daily Kos or some similar site where they think with their Lizard Brains instead of using logic, Flashshill, if you want ignorant people who will buy your Bull Dung.

      • DaveH

        Those intelligent people, who would like to know what Hans Hermann Hoppe really thinks, instead of getting your information from Liberal Progressive ignoramuses, like Robert and Flashshill, can read his book:

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith writes:
        “The organization looks kinda anti-American to me David.

        They are opposed to democracy.”

        And this is your evidence that they are “kinda” anti-American? (I am presuming you are focused on USA and not the Americas in general)

        Since America (USA) is a Constitutionally LIMITED Republic it would be kind of hard to be anti-American just because that they, like the founding fathers of America (USA), are opposed to democracy.

      • TIME

        Duh, Busted — not buster..

    • Craig Evans

      Tell a big enough lie long enough and they will will believe it. A.Hilter said this i believe in the 1930′S AND IT WAS TRUE AS IT IS NOW

      • Chuck S

        I’d urge everyone to givemore details and arguments for your side. This post is vague because both sides can claim it. Libs will say this describes Fox news and conservatives will say this describes Obama or liberal media.

  • Persist Continuously

    Part of the last phrase is the key, in my opinion, namely, the education of those who are asleep. They will, as is said, need to be awakened first. What will that take? What will that involve? What will be the spark that grows to a deafening roar? I think it means each responsible citizen will have to do their absolute best to DO THE RIGHT THING. Thanks for reading.

    • Bob

      Doing the right things at a personal level and works outward as an example to others it seems like these days there are no ethics or integrity anywhere in american society. Everyone is out for themselves and are so uneducated and non spiritual they don’t even have a chance.

      • dan

        I’m afraid we’re merely a remnant…
        but from sparks carefully tended do flames spring

      • Eugene Frana

        It will never be pretended that any persons employed in the formation of the American governments had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of heaven.-John Adams Why have christians been distinguished above all other people who have ever lived? It is their refusing tolerance to those of a different opinion that has produced all the bustles and wars on account of religion.-Thomas Jefferson George Washington was a Mason, the next five presidents were Deists. Deists didn’t believe in “spirits” or a god that took part in anything. Why do you think people have to be “spiritual” to be patriotic? It has nothing to do with anything on earth, except in YOUR mind and what you WANT to believe. Isn’t that what this country was founded on, individual freedom and freedom of conscience? You alienate people that want to be friends and allies by saying they don’t count if they are not “spiritual”. Or is it your real agenda to turn this government into the theocracy that it never was???

      • Kate8

        Eugene – We are not physical beings who HAVE a soul. We are souls which HAVE a physical body. To deny or be unaware of this fact does not make it any the less true.

        I believe what was said was that we have lost the moral compass and integrity as a people to be able to sustain a viable society.

        All religions have been corrupted, and have distorted their teachings for the purpose of control. But the spirit can’t be corrupted… (I suppose even that is debatable, but that’s an issue for another time.)

        The point is, a humanistic view promotes all manner of unhealthy practices and notions, and has resulted in a self-centered society which is all about self-indulgence at the sacrifice of accountability. No regard is given to consequence as it is expected that someone else will have to step in to clean up our messes.

        The proof is in the pudding, so to say, don’t you think? Again, this is self-evident.

      • alpha-lemming

        I think you’re onto something here. If the “right” thing were the “easy” thing….. everybody would always do the right thing. The entitlement class and Generation “Y” (aka.. “Y” do I need to get a job?) have been weakened and coddled to such a degree that I fear all is lost. It’s up to the previous generation to instill qualities like self-sufficiency and personal responsibility…. and with role models taking a “eh….. whatever” attitude…small wonder why we’re in the shape we’re in….. and even more dire…. HOW to reverse it.

      • Kate8

        Even more dire than we think, and more imminent.

        There is a ton of dis- and mis-info all around us, but this does seem to be the plan:

        This is consistent with all of the operation manuals of the NWO which have been known for several decades, and the time is come.

        The more people look expectantly for this to happen, the more likely it will. But knowing what they have in store for us (exactly what the PTB have wrought on many other countries already) gives us, at least, the opportunity to change the course of events. If we know what’s behind what’s unfolding as we speak, we won’t fall for the ruse.

        It’s all mind-control.

        BTW, I don’t believe it was ever intended that Romney win the last election. I think that people came out predicting a Romney win (and a freaked-out Obama) was just more skull-plugging to make us think the election would be legit. It’s just to make us think that things
        just HAPPEN, and to turn a deaf ear to the prognosticators who give warning.

        We do have a choice about this, and awareness is our only hope. It is said that the PTB have a credo (?) to give warning to us of what they have planned. That we do not listen is on us, not them…

      • Robert Smith

        Kate8 says: “But the spirit can’t be corrupted…”

        Really? Don’t eat that apple or your soul will be corrupted with original sin.

        Or was that religion corrupted from its beginning? Thought so, but you can confirm it.


      • TIME

        Dear Kate,

        How right you are, its all a game for the NWO where the whole bloody thing is based on
        { “The Lie is differant at every Level”}
        Everyone is being used to add STRESS to the mix, thus these vampires feed on that STRESS of what becomes a “Vicious Cycle” that seems it can’t be broken.
        The good news is it can be broken, ~ but people have to open their minds ~ but first toss out what they have been programed to think.

        To sum it up best, the NWO has worked to {de power} “TRUE ALPHA’S” ~ then to advance a “Pharaonic” Mind set to make the week feel better about being so week, as then everyone is an equal low level non thinking being, told what to do and when to do it.

        Peace and Love, Shalom

      • Kate8

        Warm greetings, TIME!

        I came across this site over the past few days, and I spend over 2 hours on my first sitting. It blew my mind. I thought I had a pretty good idea of what was afoot, but this took the cake. We are all dupes.

        Not to say that I believe anything anywhere anymore, but this guy has done some WORK, and it gives all the more reason to listen to NO ONE.

        Have fun with this one. Give it a good look, too. Well worth the trouble. It’s a real eye-opener, even for the most “informed” of us. LOL.

      • Vicki

        Kate8 writs:
        “I believe what was said was that we have lost the moral compass and integrity as a people to be able to sustain a viable society.”

        Here is a method to reset your moral compass without needing any religion.

        “Your Creator gifted you with life and free will.
        How you use those gifts and how you honor them in others
        is how you shall be judged.”

        Works for any religion. Works for the religion of no religion.

        Will NOT work for anyone who does not believe in life and/or does not believe in free will.

      • Kate8

        Well said, Vicki. Works for me.

      • TIME

        Dear Kate,

        I know of Ed’s work, we are in fact using some of it with the alledged Sandy Hook event. There is a lot of stuff on his sight that requires an “empty cup” to understand it.
        Saddly that not something most folks can do.

        You may also wish to look into the { 188 Ley Line } {natural earth energy} points ~ its quite interesting to say the least, Also how this Ley Line applys to the Mayans city of Teotihuacan and its Temple of Sacrifice, what you will note is that child Sacrifice’s took place from November 28 – December 18, of what very young Children are Sacrifices to the WINGED BLUE SUN GOD, Quetzaicoatl.

        The part that should make your hair stand on end is the September Sacrifices are done on 9/11 only – this is done for the crops of the next year, Now look at all the deaths that take place on 9/11 each year.

        But whats really quite the coincidence is that both the twin towers and Sandy Hook are on this Ley Line, Along with the Storm Sandy, and countless other events.

        The genesis is for the returning of the Winged Blue Sun God Quetzalcoatl,
        The Christians call him Lucifer, As I said this part is quite deep and takes a a really open mind to even begin to pull it all together.
        But when you chart it, the coincidence factors start to fade quite rapidly.
        Keep in mind all that has been hidden from us. As I noted: ” The Lie is differant on every level.” Then figure in that the average person has so much fear, so much stress that they can hardly think, let alone comprehend whats outside that blind.

        Peace and Love, Shalom

      • TIME

        Dear Kate,

        Google this little number and you will understand why I hired a PI, just for the record we have a TON more that add to this. 100% Faked event.

        Youtube: Sandy Hook buster wide open.

        Peace and Love Shalom

      • Kate8

        Thanks, TIME. I do some about the Ley Line thing, but not as much as you do. There is so much to all of this… I’ll check it out.

        It’s all in God’s Hands. I have a feeling we are in for a really big surprise. What kind of surprise probably depends on…

        Know what I mean?

      • Kate8

        TIME – Very interesting video, but I’m not at all surprised.

        A few years back I remember reading about the coming terrors which were to be committed against us by our government, shootings and so forth…and it said that these things were already planned right down to the press releases. All pre-scripted and videos prepared.

        Remember the video that came out before the last election, the one showing Obama as the winner? It came out Oct. 18 or thereabouts, showing the newsfeed date of Nov 6 (or whatever the election date was). All pre-planned.

        I am wholly convinced that these things have all been pre-planned, including and before 9/11. And they still have more to come.

        I’d say that it’s all backfiring on them, thank the Lord. Yet Congress (and the media) are moving forward as if we are buying it all.

        Hopefully, what’s happening is that those who are righteous and seek the truth are coming into more personal fullness, in the birthing of a new consciousness. That is, after all, the whole purpose of it all.

        No doubt you’ve seen Mother Shipton’s prophecies.

        I find it really interesting that once all of the NWO craziness is done, then comes the REALLY BIG SURPRISE. I’m sure you know what I mean.

  • Brad Stockinger

    Agenda 21 from the UN is progressing towards a one world government. The evidence is overwhelming. Through use of geo-engineering which originally was started to combat global warming has evolved into controling the weather and to poison our soil and to make some elitists families richer. Hawaii is putting forth legislation to ban geo-engineering because farmers are experiencing reduced crop yields and some were forced to sell off their land cheap. The soil is becoming too alkaline due to chem spraying where aluminum is being used. Soros came in and bought up some of the cheap land. Monsanto has developed seed that is aluminim resistant to adapt to the increased aluminum levels. Part of agenda 21 is to move more people from rural areas to the cities to open up more land for wilderness preservation. There is a politician in Iowa that is also trying to stop geo-engineering. Please write to your Semators and congress to demand action to stop this insanity as I have. If enough people speak up we will succeed.

    • WTHisgoingon

      Lets just let the govnmt go. People won’t wake up till its too late, but then we can have another Civil War. Maybe then the Liberal Hollywood Media Maddow followers will be thinned out.
      Abort our babies, take our guns, drag our history through the mud, God who, and Adam – Steve playing ding a ling.
      We didn’t start the fire!!!!!!!!!!

    • DaveH

      There is only one real solution. That is to shrink Government dramatically. Nullify the Power that they have to manipulate our educations and personal choices. Stop their Imperialistic military actions, get us back to Free Markets, and stop them from making the Producers into slaves for the Non-Producers.
      For Individual Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, and Limited Government:

      • WTHisgoingon

        LETS START WITH TERM LIMITS. Enough talk. This needs to be done!

      • JC

        This whole charade of Corporatist Media and Government in bed with one another demonstrates perfectly why I subscribe to being a Libertarian. My mindset is based in natural law and Constitutional values. The stuff on TV is all just a riciculous “show” put on for and influencing only very simple people. Anyone capable of critical, conclusive thinking can see that right away.

        Our Government is a natioanlly televised circus! ;-)

      • LESNC

        Government is a cancer that cannot be shrunk.

      • DaveH

        Term limits would merely be a placebo to the ignorant voters. The only real way to get our Freedom back is to educate those people who have been fooled by the Politicians and their captured Media.

      • Carlucci

        Great article. TV was invented to distract the masses. Based on all of the lame crap it spits out, I believe it. Sadly, my (late) elderly mother used to believe everything she saw on the lame-stream “news”. She would repeat verbatim all of the silly b.s. that was spewed out of the t.v., like “We are are war with the Middle East because “they” hate our freedoms, and sending our troops over there will protect us”. Once I asked her how U.S. soldiers boots on the ground “over there” were a protection against “our enemies”; wouldn’t those same boots on the ground HERE be a real protection?” She looked at me like a deer in the headlights as that had never occurred to her.

        • tony newbill

          actually you could make a case that all innovation starts out as a positive for humanity that meets the resistance of a ideological group that sees any form of boost for humanity as a negative and that they must corrupt its use to Zero the effect on human growth that a improvement such as innovation has on quality of life has on population growth .
          Marx , Stalin , Mao ,Lenin , Hitler , Castro , Che , we can go down this List of Zero growth experts that either led this trend of small mined solutionaries or were led by the elites of this hierarchy ……. again the Bill of Rights must be the Line in the Sand thats Defended before we the people , bringing this to the attention of the society will be the last stand we can make as a republic . People must be made aware of the loss to their entitled rights whatever they are today , even the use of public treasure that is going to go away soon .

    • Bill

      Thank you for your informative post, Brad
      Agenda 21 is creeping behind the scenes and most of the public in unaware. The public needs to be informed of their evil intentions.

      The Global warming movement is designed to tap into peoples emotions to “save the whales, little birdies, our mother earth” and any change in the weather is caused by global warming. What an intricate scam. People are thinking with their emotions and not their heads.

      • DaveH

        For those who think with their heads:

      • Kate8

        Bill – Yes, and it’s not just intentions. Agenda 21 is being implemented on a daily basis, everywhere in the US and the world. If you know what to look for, you see signs of it in every neighborhood.

        Amusing how they use slogans like “save the whales” and all that, even while they are using scalar weapons to kill millions of fish and wildlife everywhere.

        In fact, prior to these military “exercises”, it was posted as an inconspicuous announcement in some Idaho classified section of a newspaper a few years back, the intent to kill at least a million marine animals with their ocean “testing”.

        Does anyone doubt who is responsible for the killing of our flora and fauna around the world?

      • Robert Smith

        Another claim from Kate8 without any sort of citation that we can go look at to see what she is talking about.

        Quite frankly, it really does look like you make a bunch of stuff up.


      • TIME

        Dear Robert,

        Perhaps you should invest in a new pair of eye glass’s so you can do some exploration on your own.
        After all you saddly present no facts nor proof of anything, { well that is other than your rather limited } “opinions.”
        Just for the record thats called a “Small Mind Syndrome.”

        Peace and Love, Shalom

      • Kate8

        Robert – Unless you really are the shill we all know you to be, you are as able as I to do your own research. You just do a search on UN Agenda 21 and read everything, not just the government sites.

        I’m impervious to your attacks, so you may as well move on to someone else. Most folks know how to find out for themselves.

    • Robert Smith

      “Agenda 21 from the UN is progressing towards a one world government.”

      Really? How do you get that from a NON BINDING agreement?


      • tony newbill

        you get this Agenda 21 by infiltrating the states bribing them with NGO grants that are really monies coming from the Special Interests that are causing federal Government deficit spending , all in the name of sustainable development that also is leading to the collapse of the current economic Capital system because of the debt that is generated from unsustainable

      • TIME

        Dear Robert,

        Yet again you display your illiteracy.

        Peace and Love Shalom

      • Kate8

        Agenda 21 is being implemented under the radar. Most people have never heard of it, and don’t care to find out. They have no idea how sinister and threatening this thing is. And how far progressed already.

        BTW, Congress is introducing legislation to MANDATE the full implementation of Agenda 21 in America, at the behest of the UN. All part of the NWO, as it is underway all over the world under such names as SmartGrowth, Sustainable Development, etc.

        Nothing less than a plan to take away ALL OF OUR RIGHTS, our property, our dignity…

        But don’t take my word for it.

        And, btw, Robert, I’ve posted links for you before. You are just here to make trouble and shill for the PTB.

      • Robert Smith

        Kate8 bleats: “Congress is introducing legislation to MANDATE the full implementation of Agenda 21 in America, ”

        Really? And you can tell us which congress critters is “introducing” it? A bill number perhaps?

        Or is this all “under the table” so you don’t have to actually prove it, just bleat it as another empty claim.


      • Kate8

        Here is some good info.

        Obama has also threatened to use another EO to mandate Agenda 21, because the people are fighting it as fast as they are finding out about it. It seems that, as usual, Congress isn’t working fast enough for him.

        They’re in a mad rush to put us down before we can stop them.

      • Robert Smith

        What part of NON BINDING agreement don’t you get?


      • JC

        Robert Smith says:
        January 7, 2013 at 11:23 am
        “Agenda 21 from the UN is progressing towards a one world government.”

        Really? How do you get that from a NON BINDING agreement?


        A DENIER !!!! LOL
        Robert, the whole Agenda 21 thing is vague but real enough.
        It’s actually posted on the UN website.
        But let’s not kid ourselves…they aren’t going to explain it to us.
        (Like Obamacare…we’re waiting in horror to see what’s in it.)
        Why don’t we trust it? Because most of us are long past trusting our own government, let alone the UN.

        Do a little homework, you might be surprised.

  • Dwight Mann

    We need to make government afraid of the us, the American Constituency. . .

    • walter agard

      You are right. Americans are forgetting that we are the people and we should demand answers.

    • KG

      According to the Constitution, who is the government?

      WE ARE – like it or not.

      And the government we have is the government we wanted.
      Most people LIKE social security, Medicare, and our war making ability. So, we pay for it. Unless you are a “conservative” who believes that by cutting taxes on the most wealthy, revenues will magically appear, as if by a “hidden hand.”

      That “hidden hand” is giving us. the common worker American, or for a Marxist point, the “proletariat” the finger.

      Telling people they are oppressed is NOT the same as “un-oppressing” them. That comes about by Revolution.

      Read the Communist Manefesto. It’s almost like reading the newspaper.

  • Chris

    Great article. Please try to send it to the newspapers for the Op-Ed pages. I’m sure some papers will print truth. We need to teach our children to think for themselves, not be led like sheep. Shame on the citizens for not monitoring the government the last hundred years.

  • Robert Lebischak

    As you say another method of control. We have been taught to listen and believe, that way those in power stay there and we the people do nothing. We will never again see a Republic if we the People do not realize the power we have and make the government afraid of us.

    • http://personalliberty R. R.

      All it shows is we the people are afraid of the government and what it can and is doing to us citizens making us the slaves and in chains to service the elites in the government. Look at how these tyrants are treating the very people who are supporting the government in their ivory towers. They are the master we are the servants to an evil government the more they get the more they take and the more they put in power to do it. Our government has gotten so big it doesnt know what each office is doing and so they keep making laws to control us using the very money we as citizens work hard for while they sit back and enjoy the fruits of our labor. Yes America has been asleep for a very long time and if it doesnt wake up we are in a heap of trouble. As once said in a movie, we are going to need a bigger boat!

  • Redfray

    This method of control has been around for many years. Why can’t we learn from historical mistakes. The very fact we let government take over our education system has started the down fall of America. They will not print the true facts of history in text books, because it might offend some other race. Are we not Americans?

    • DaveH

      They have been controlling our educations since the first settlers arrived at Plymouth Rock:

      • Robert Smith

        From that article, DaveH: “The attempt to impose values
        is most frequently a product of a moral crusade and not of an attempt to compt.
        If the mechanisms exist by which ideological control can be exercised over a popula-
        tion, these moral cmsaders will use those means to further their ends.”

        IOW, you are opposed to prayer in schools because that’s ideological control.

        No Pledge because that indoctrinates kids.

        Golly gee… Looks like they think kids should be taught to think in schools. I can go along with that.


      • DaveH

        The gist of the article, Robert, is that the state shouldn’t control the schools because they have an obvious inclination to bend peoples’ minds to believe what the Leaders want them to believe. Leaders don’t want people to think for themselves.

      • DaveH

        Robert says — “IOW, you are opposed to prayer in schools because that’s ideological control”.

        Do you Liberal Progressives ever tire of putting words in peoples’ mouths, Robert?
        I would indeed oppose MANDATORY prayers in schools. I oppose mandatory teaching of Liberal Progressive (or NeoCon Progressive) concepts also. Unless, of course, the parents of those children choose to send them to such schools knowingly and voluntarily.
        But if the prayer is voluntary, I have no problem with it. I also have no problem with the Pledge of Allegiance if it is voluntary. What I do have a problem with is Government dictating the curriculum of our schools.

      • Robert Smith

        DaveH says: “What I do have a problem with is Government dictating the curriculum of our schools.”

        Yes, like they did in Dover, PA, with that creationism thing? See:

        BTW, those government officials lost in court and were voted out.


      • Kate8

        DaveH – How long has it been that we’ve been having these “discussions” with Robert and his ilk. Yet, still, he repeats the same old tired mantras as if we never spoke at all.

        He is not here to be reasoned with, or even to have discussions with. He’s here to shill for the goons in power, to keep repeating lies in the hope that someone will believe they might be true. He’s here to discredit, malign, ridicule and obfuscate. And for it, he collects a paycheck.

        As an example, I posted numerous links on Agenda 21 for him awhile back, including one from “democrats against Agenda 21″, showing that it is not a partisan opposition movement. I told him of Rosa Koire’s book, “Behind the Green Mask”, which tells all about it.

        We’ve explained our reasons for opposing O’care and every other horrendous imposition on us today by our government, and he comes back with the same old, same old, never once acknowledging our point of view. Actually, all of these things are part of Agenda 21, the UN plan for global governance and control.

        He is also here to sell us out and throw us to the wolves, never even having a twinge of conscience for what is likely to come from our exposure.

        Actually, these blogs are monitored by the goons to see who opposes them and what we are thinking.

        Makes one wonder all the way around….but then, I am a tinfoil hat.

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith writes:
        “BTW, those government officials lost in court and were voted out.”

        Thus proving yet again that religion is NOT the problem. Government IS the problem. Even our forefathers knew this which is why they created the Constitution.

        To LIMIT government.

      • Vicki

        Kate8 writes:
        “He is not here to be reasoned with, or even to have discussions with. He’s here to shill for the goons in power, to keep repeating lies in the hope that someone will believe they might be true. He’s here to discredit, malign, ridicule and obfuscate.”

        We know. But it is a good idea to point that out from time to time so new readers can gain wisdom.

  • Dave

    “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.” -Noam Chomsky

    The way to keep people stupid is to keep the spectrum of opinion limited with our liberal media collusion to what we allow the public to hear, but then allow a very lively debate within that limited spectrum. — Liberal main stream media

    • WTS/JAY

      Very true, even if you did quote Noam Chomsky!

      • Vicki

        Don’t forget “politically correct” speech and it’s ability to limit discussion even more than just controlling the media.

    • speedle

      That is a very astute observation Dave. I call it “moving the middle”. The media essentially controls what the public perceives as “the middle road” or “the center” or “moderate”. That is a very powerful weapon that is used on the Pop Culture, and the Pop Culture controls the thinking of most of the younger people (people who vote). IMO it is very diabolical strategy that has most certainly caused the election of Obama twice.

  • tony newbill
  • Toxick1

    I heard something on the radio last night that some senator or congressman is about to launch a bill to change the 22nd amendent to allow a president to run for more than 2 terms. Anybody else hear anything about this?

    • TIME

      Dear Toxick,

      That would be correct, its: H.J. Res 15 ~ by Jose Serano D NY,

      Peace and Love Shalom

    • JC

      All true, and this about the 6th or 7th time similar bills have been tabled.

      • Kate8

        JC – Yes, they just keep bringing back the same ideas, knowing that sooner or later they’ll get through, when they’ve got (bought) the votes for it.

        Notice how all kinds of previously defeated bills have gotten through since Obama usurped office? It’s been a Progressive’s dream…the chance to defeat America once and for all, no matter what the people want.

        And we can be sure that they will get to all of the stuff they want in due time.

        I don’t believe for one moment that Obama was legitimately elected, either time. And Congress, nor the courts, are giving so much as a single ear to us. We’ve been dismissed, and they’re at war with us. They’ve said so.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Bob, You have taken a path to far from reality. Sorry, not much different than your rants about Ron Paul. I agree that most of the main stream media is controlled by some devious people. I don’t believe over 40 % of the people are really paying attention to much of it. I get most of my information from the net at sites like this. But your rant today is too far off the wall with conclusions and assertions, none of which are supported by facts as you need to do, in order to be believable.

    • DaveH

      You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink it.

      • DaveH
        • tony newbill

          Dave this wealth consolidation process will only continue as long as the foreign debt buyers continue to extend credit to the USA and as long as they see this taking down the USA they will continue to do so .
          This Video tells it all , its long but worth the watch ,

      • DaveH

        This first comment is enough to keep me from wasting my time with a two-hour video:
        “Love you, Ann, but you need to read a little bit of Rothbard. BTW, none of us “Ron Paul people,” well, at least not me, is saying gold is the answer. We are saying money needs to be separated from the state. Money is a market phenomenon, the state should have nothing to say about it”.

      • Robert Smith

        From the article DaveH suggested: “What does improve the standard of living of wage earners is increases in the productivity of labor, i.e., the output per unit of labor. ”

        We have been going through a huge increase of productivity for the individual with modern industrialization. Unfortunately that means fewer jobs and more people competing for them thus the price of labor remains low, even though productivity is up.

        How can such an injustice be corrected DaveH?

        And for the very bottom of the pay scale only so many fries can be sold with burgers. The employee is at a huge disadvantage while those who moved money around to build a Micky D’s keep adding to their bank accounts.


      • DaveH

        Try the price of labor in North Korea, or Cuba, or Venezuela, Robert where they practice the Big Government policies that you advocate.
        Robert says — “How can such an injustice be corrected DaveH?”.
        The injustice can be corrected (insofar as being unjust), Robert, by getting the Government out of our Marketplace so that people can be the best that they can be, Free from the constraints of Big Government, and Free to compete on a level playing field minus the Coercive privileges given to the Crony Capitalists by Big Government.
        With Government out of our Marketplaces we would also save much of that portion of the GDP that is currently wasted by Big Government Spending (41% of GDP).
        Imagine how much more money the workers would have if they just recovered half of that waste?

      • DaveH

        With Capital investment, we get not only cheaper goods, but higher wages to more skilled workers. Those who aren’t skilled can still do the manual labor of our past when they had no choice. Even our unskilled workers (thanks to cheap products and services) live better than our ancestors of a hundred years ago.
        Real Wages, that is wages adjusted by buying power, are what really matter. We can get higher wages the Big Government way with inflation, but then those higher wages are more than offset by higher product prices. So the Real Wages decrease. The only way to have higher Real Wages (in general) is to increase the amount of Productivity.
        Those who want to get a better picture than my sound-bite can present should read this article:

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith writes:
        “We have been going through a huge increase of productivity for the individual with modern industrialization. Unfortunately that means fewer jobs and more people competing for them thus the price of labor remains low, even though productivity is up.”

        Ah the wonders of invention. Will they never cease? One of those inventions greatly improves productivity and just happens to make it far easier and more productive to prove the error of such bald assertions as above. The internet.

        Go to
        On the page of top picks click on the 2nd box under “Employment”
        ( Civilian Employment (Seasonally Adjusted)
        then push the “retrieve data” button at the bottom of the form

        On the new page go to the upper right and change the range (was 2002-2012) to 1948. Be sure to check the box for include graphs.

        Hit the go button to the right of the range selection.

        Then in a new tab open up the link above again and click on the first box
        under “Productivity” Output Per Hour – Non-farm Business Productivity
        then push the “retrieve data” button and on the new page set the range and graphs.

        Sit back and be amazed at the productivity the internet has given you. Before the net it would have taken you hours or days of research to put that all together.

        In my next post we can observe the accuracy of Robert’s bald assertion.

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith writes:
        “We have been going through a huge increase of productivity for the individual with modern industrialization. Unfortunately that means fewer jobs and more people competing for them thus the price of labor remains low, even though productivity is up.”

        From the graphs provided above we see that jobs have increased steadily since 1948 right up to 2008 when the impact of government meddling in the housing market came to fruition.

        There were interesting small dips but they were nothing like the drop in 2008

        Now look at the productivity graph. It is a measure of CHANGE in productivity and spends most if its time above 0 thus validating the part of Robert’s statement about “increase” The definition of “huge” is too vague to be useful here.

        So to the assertion.
        “(huge) increase in productivity means fewer jobs.”

        Has been proven false by the first graph. The size of the increase is of no relevance to the falsehood of the assertion.

    • Dan

      Your wrong there is proof and its obvious that you have not been one yo do your research! Search agenda 21 and you will have all of the info you could want or need!

    • Dan

      So if you do all of your searching and reading on the internet why haven’t you read about agenda 21? It is proof of what is being talked about here!

      • Robert Smith

        “Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.[1] ”

        What part of “non-binding” don’t you understand?


        • tony newbill

          Do you want to keep history from repeating itself ? If you do then the job of the American people is to Defend the Bill of Rights , or this will keep happening because while supply runs short it becomes a tool of politics , oppression is always the results of the Powerful who control the means to corrupt the system of generating supply for a political result and this history shows us leads to what is defined as Crimes against humanity and is always in the end a affair of those in power who have lost control of security through an adequate supply .

        • tony newbill

          Robert once you listen to what the Sheriff has to say about the same tactics that make up Agenda 21 you have to consider this encroachment of states rights as a stealth implementation of the UN doctrine , and I want to back up the claim that Environmentalists are harming the Growth of the Economy with a statement by a Sheriff , please go to Frame 18:00 and listen to what is said and as you hear into frame 19:00 the truth is revealed .

      • tony newbill

        If you want to defend the Bill of Rights it can be done by defending and supporting these guys , They are the only ones left with a vested interest in the same thing that the general public has vested interests in ,

      • Kate8
      • Robert Smith

        As a dyslexic I see that website supports the society for the preservation of wooden toilet seats, the Birch John Society.

        Looking at who else they pal around with it sure looks pretty extreme to me.


      • Kate8

        Robert – There are pages of sites. I picked one. You could do your own search.

        You would discredit any site I post. You are not here to learn. You are a shill. Period.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, Rob is one of those morons that trusts government and asks questions like “what freedoms have you lost thru government?” or “what gun rights has Obama taken away from you?”. Other than his obvious ultra religious worship of the atheism of hate(you can count on him to bring in his hatefull anti-christian comments into any non-religious discussion) RS would prefer to wait and see what freedom and liberties he’d lose rather than pay attention to all of the “red flags”(in his mind conspiracies)leading up to those losses. History has a way of repeating itself.

      • Robert Smith

        Actually I don’t remember you or Kate8 explaining what “rights” you will lose over same sex marriage.

        And, in general have you really lot any rights?


      • Vicki

        Robert Smith writes:
        “What part of “non-binding” don’t you understand?”

        It’s not our understanding of the meaning of “non-binding” that you should fear. It is the understanding of “non-binding” by people who are currently planning to ignore the obvious meaning of “shall NOT be infringed” that should be of most concern to you.

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith says:
        “And, in general have you really lot any rights?”

        “A right delayed is a right denied.” Or do you have some logical disagreement with that statement?

        Here is a list of liberties lost.

        I know that my right to associate with whom I choose (1st amendment) is being violated by ObamaTax.

        Give them a few weeks to get their gun confiscation agenda in place and there will be a bunch more violations of one or more of our rights.

  • nc

    Bob, how about a column about America that has escaped the entrapment of the system. You tell us how we look now but not what we would look after all the things you consider “bad” are “gone” What can the workers look forward to when you get your market place! What are you going to protect them with! More laws? Less laws? What will be a livable wage and how do you get it? What will we do with the dead in the streets who can’t afford their medicines or the food of an unbridled market place? What countries do we deal with and why? None? We just pass a law that God is on our side and their rockets are not allowed to hit us nor can our citizens be killed overseas. Or will you pass a “Ron Paul Law” that we are pulling in our borders and not travel “overseas”. Give us a picture of the Bob Livingston America.

    • Tom Cook

      One thing is certain nc(does this stand for no cerebration?) your idea of a good place to live does not equate to that of any thinking person. You are obviously a liberal who wants the rest of us to take care of all of those who don’t wish to expend any effort on personal responsibility. The only good thing about you liberals is that in keeping with your overall worldview you hate anything good, including kids, which means you are an eventual dead end.

      • Hedgehog

        Actually Tom, nc is short for ncm, which fully expanded is non compos mentis, which is Latin for not of sound mind! At least he’s honest about it.

    • WTS/JAY

      nc : Give us a picture of the Bob Livingston America.

      What would be the point, nc? Right now we are living in Obama’s Fascist-America, and it ain’t looking too good. Putting childish-musings aside, let’s deal with the present “nightmare”, i mean Obamanomics!

      Obamanomics in a nutshell:

      As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax. In its day (the 1920s and 1930s), fascism was seen as the happy medium between boom-and-bust-prone liberal capitalism, with its alleged class conflict, wasteful competition, and profit-oriented egoism, and revolutionary Marxism, with its violent and socially divisive persecution of the bourgeoisie. Fascism substituted the particularity of nationalism and racialism—“blood and soil”—for the internationalism of both classical liberalism and Marxism.

      Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.

      Fascism is to be distinguished from interventionism, or the mixed economy. Interventionism seeks to guide the market process, not eliminate it, as fascism did. Minimum-wage and antitrust laws, though they regulate the free market, are a far cry from multiyear plans from the Ministry of Economics.

      Under fascism, the state, through official cartels, controlled all aspects of manufacturing, commerce, finance, and agriculture. Planning boards set product lines, production levels, prices, wages, working conditions, and the size of firms. Licensing was ubiquitous; no economic activity could be undertaken without government permission. Levels of consumption were dictated by the state, and “excess” incomes had to be surrendered as taxes or “loans.” The consequent burdening of manufacturers gave advantages to foreign firms wishing to export. But since government policy aimed at autarky, or national self-sufficiency, protectionism was necessary: imports were barred or strictly controlled, leaving foreign conquest as the only avenue for access to resources unavailable domestically. Fascism was thus incompatible with peace and the international division of labor—hallmarks of liberalism.

      Fascism embodied corporatism, in which political representation was based on trade and industry rather than on geography. In this, fascism revealed its roots in syndicalism, a form of socialism originating on the left. The government cartelized firms of the same industry, with representatives of labor and management serving on myriad local, regional, and national boards—subject always to the final authority of the dictator’s economic plan. Corporatism was intended to avert unsettling divisions within the nation, such as lockouts and union strikes. The price of such forced “harmony” was the loss of the ability to bargain and move about freely.

      To maintain high employment and minimize popular discontent, fascist governments also undertook massive public-works projects financed by steep taxes, borrowing, and fiat money creation. While many of these projects were domestic—roads, buildings, stadiums—the largest project of all was militarism, with huge armies and arms production.

      Anyways, nc, you get the point, right?

      There’s more here if you’re interested:

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Blah, blah, blah, JAY NIce piece of propagandizing. I have other things to do today, so I won’t have the time to read your source. Does it talk about how the capitalists and free marketers aided and abetted the rise of fascism and Hitler in particular so they could get rich off it? Do the names George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush appear anywhere in there? Some interesting history there. Maybe you would like to be “fair and balanced” and tell us about that?

      • WTS/JAY

        The point being, RBT; we live under “Fascism”! We can play the “blame-game” all you like, if it’ll make you feel any better?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        I did get the point, JAY, and we have both agreed that “we live under “Fascism” (and I don’t feel good about that).

        I’m not playing any small “blame games”—the “blame” needs to be spread far and wide. I was merely asking if you felt like painting a “broader”, less “propagandized” picture for all to see.

        George H.W. Bush doesn’t deserve a whole lot of “blame”, “Junior” in fact does, but the history of the last four generations of the Bush family I cite goes all the way back to WW One and the fact that Prescott Bush (GHW’s father) was condemned as a “war criminal” by some because of his dealings with Germany. That history dovetails and interlocks with what has gone on as the corporate feudal/fascist state has crept up on the country. Perhaps you have not read American Dynasty by Kevin Phillips?——a real eye opener.

        PS Throw the name of Samuel P. Bush in there as well—may as well include him with GH Walker—that’s where it all began.

      • Steve E

        Left wingers never have an answer. Blaming is their mantra. It’s all their little IQs allow them to do.

      • nc

        Jay. facism,.socialism and communism are terms that have been applied to everything from school board meetings to church services to little league baseball!

      • WTS/JAY


        nc, my first impulse was to accuse of being a “functional-illiterate”. But on further observation, it has now become crystal-clear to me that, you, are clinically-insane! It was not those in power that facilitated the “greatness” that once was America. Rather, it was the pioneer-spirit of free Americans that facilitated the “greatness” that was once America; and that, in spite of the psychopaths in power! It is for those, Americans, i thank God for, nc, and not, the psychopaths in power, you looney-tunes!

        LABELS. Even your God has never said it would be perfect.

        Seek help!

      • WTS/JAY

        RBT: PS Throw the name of Samuel P. Bush in there as well—may as well include him with GH Walker—that’s where it all began.

        Not so, RBT, but nice try! It, “the-fall”, began when President Woodrow-Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913, to establish the Federal Reserve as an independent central bank for the United States. That, my friend, marked the beginning of the end of America!

        Why, even Mr. Woodrow’s very own words testify to the fact, my dear, RBT:

        “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        WTS/JAY is doing a good job of shilling when he tries to deflect attention from the history of the Bush Dynasty and the part they played in helping the rise of Hitler and Fascism in Germany through their behavior as good “Capitalists” and “free marketers”. (And, Yes, they were not alone and don’t deserve all the blame—-and I never said they should).

        You say “Not so”, JAY? And you offer the federal reserve and Woodrow Wilson as an alternative bone to chew on? Sorry, Jay but I was talking about the Bush Dynasty and Hitler and Fascism and WILSON AND THE FED HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

        And grandstanding with “That, my friend, marked the beginning of the end of America!” may sound good to the fools, but it is nothing BUT grandstanding.

        And I hate to see you just outright lie to try to score points, my dear JAY. You say, “Why, even Mr. Woodrow’s very own words testify to the fact, my dear, RBT”, and you give us a “quote”. Guess what, Jay, that quote has been floating around in wing-nut land for quite some time and that is where you got it (care to share a source?). The fact that the circular firing squad keeps repeating it does NOT make it true. In fact, it appears that Wilson did NOT say these things, certainly not “AFTER signing the Federal Reserve into existence”. There IS some small evidence that he said SOME of these things years earlier on the campaign trail but this alleged quote you have posted is a cobbled together, out of context, and “much massaged” version of what he said.

        “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence.

        With all the truth out there, I’m sorry that you have to lie to us, JAY. That’s DaveH’s job in the boiler room anyway, isn’t it? Doesn’t he mind?

        PS Now that you’ve tried to take us way out in left field and failed, would you like to go back to talking about the Bush Dynasty, Hitler, and Fascism?—-The Bush Dynasty by Phillips is sitting on one of my bookshelves right now and I’m sure I can find many good quotes from it that we can examine in detail if you want to.

      • WTS/JAY

        RBT: And I hate to see you just outright lie to try to score points, my dear JAY. You say, “Why, even Mr. Woodrow’s very own words testify to the fact, my dear, RBT”, and you give us a “quote”. Guess what, Jay, that quote has been floating around in wing-nut land for quite some time and that is where you got it (care to share a source?).

        Did he or did he not, sign the the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913, my dear, RBT? The answer is YES!

        Did the signing of the Federal Reserve act result in disastrous consequences for the American people? The answer is yes!

        In what way were the consequences disastrous for the American people?

        The Federal Reserve was created as a way to enslave the U.S. government with debt. The truth is that the U.S. government only goes into debt if it chooses to. Theoretically, one day that U.S. government could simply decide to print as many U.S. dollars as it wants and pay off all government debts. But under the current system that is not allowed. You see, today the U.S. government does not issue any money. The Federal Reserve issues all money. That is why they are called “Federal Reserve notes”.

        The “Federal” Reserve is a group of private banks with no government oversight

        Greenspan himself, stated that the Fed is a private institution that has no supervision or oversight whatsoever. Thus the Federal Reserve System is not “Federal”; it is a cartel of privately-owned banks. And it is to their benefit to destroy the economy of the U.S.

        How is that possible?

        Here’s how it works. The Federal Reserve is in charge of 1) interest rates and 2) money supply.

        The government needs money. The Fed loans money to government with interest (for example $100 at 5% interest). The government pays back the $100 but doesn’t have the 5% interest to pay the Fed. Where does the government get the money to pay the interest? It has to borrow more money from the Fed with more interest. This is how the debt compounds. In this manner, the debt will continue to grow and never end. Where does the money and the interest go? To the “Federal Reserve System.”

        The Fed can print an endless supply of money because: a) there is no gold standard and b) there is no silver standard. Thus the Fed does not have to limit the amount of money it prints because nothing is backing it. Only the Fed is allowed to create the money supply, not the government. Only the Fed determines the interest rate of money.

        How “fractional reserve banking” can turn $100 into $1,000

        The Fed engages in “fractional reserve banking,” which allows a bank to “expand the initial deposit of $100 into a maximum of $1,000.” So the Fed can create an extra $900 that it loans to the government with interest – with absolutely nothing backing it! The reserve requirements affect how the Fed’s banking system can create transaction deposits. If the reserve requirement is 10%, for example, “a bank that receives a $100 deposit may lend out $90 of that deposit. If the borrower writes a check to someone who
        deposits the $90, the bank receiving the deposit can lend out $81. As the process continues, the banking system can expand the initial deposit of $100 into a maximum of $1,000 of money ($100+$90+81+$72.90+…=$1,000).” (2)

        So the Fed created the economic crash by making so much money available at low interest that banks had tons of money to loan people to buy homes and invest in stocks; as stated above, the Fed created this money by loaning it to the US government and charging interest. You see, the Fed is in the business of making money – literally – and nothing else. There is no oversight of the Fed; they are a private institution. The only bottom line important to the Fed is their own. The profit they make goes into the hands of the private banks that own the “Federal Reserve System.”

        RBT, it is the private, banking-cartel through the Federal-Reserve system that runs and is in full-control of our Government and country, not the Government or we the people, you silly! If the private, banking-cartel through the Federal-Reserve runs and controls our Government and country, then “our Government?” is controlled and belongs to the private, banking-cartel and the “politicians” are in essence, the employees of the private, “Banking-Cartels”; and we, the people, are the “Chattel”!

        Now, wether the “quote” was made by Mr. Wilson or not, is irrelevant. The truth in the quote should be the focus, not who authored it, necessarily! And, if it were to be proven that mr. Wilson was indeed, not, the author of the above quote, would the “truth” in the above quote be any-less truthful? But of course, leave it to you to clamp on the “irrelevant”, as a way yo side-step and ignore the “Meat” of the issue! Sure, there were those who conspired prior to the “Act” being signed, but it was in the “Signing of the Act”, the Federal-Reseverve act, where all, “conspirators”(private-banks), and yes, including the “Bush-Dynasty”, coalesced!

        Like i said, RBT, if you truly wish to under-take the laborious-task of compiling a list of all the perpetrators, past to present, we can do that…but what good would that do? The reality is, our Country, lock-stock and barrel, including our captive-Government, is owned by a consortium of private, banking-cartels!!!

        I’m just wondering, RBT, in light of the above, what can your “Superman” in the white-house do to take the country back and give it to its rightful-owners; that being, the people and its Government? Any thoughts, my dear, RBT??? I know, don’t hold my breath…

    • DaveH

      NC asks — “What can the workers look forward to when you get your market place!”.
      They can look forward to cheaper higher-quality products, plentiful jobs (for anybody who wants to work), and a Free Marketplace where they can offer their services to anybody who will voluntarily pay for them without Government hurdles to negotiate. They can look forward to being able to advance as far as their skills and motivation will take them without the impediments set forward by Politicians who are aiding their Crony Capitalists against any competitors.

      NC asks — “What are you going to protect them with!”.
      They will be protected by a Government which will be solely existent to protect people from the Force and Fraud of others. For the rest, they will be protected by themselves — By doing their own due-diligence, or joining or paying for voluntary associations with those who would do their due-diligence for them. They will no longer be paying 40% of their money for pushy controlling people to dictate their choices, unless they desire such domination voluntarily.

      NC asks — “What will be a livable wage and how do you get it?”.
      You will get it by satisfying your customers, whether they be individuals buying your products or services, or companies buying your labor.
      That question betrays NC’s Union-bent, by the way.

      NC asks — “What will we do with the dead in the streets who can’t afford their medicines or the food of an unbridled market place?”.
      Voluntary charity will support those who have truly suffered misfortune (and even many who are just faking it). The affluence that would come with Free Markets would allow the rest of us plenty of money with which to help those who really need help. Granted, there would be some ungrateful curmudgeons who nobody would want to help. But then, wouldn’t that be better than the current situation where the recipients of Government Largess with other peoples’ money can spit in our faces?

      NC asks — “What countries do we deal with and why?”.
      We would deal with any countries who wanted to deal with us. Free Markets. The benefits of Division of Labor. The benefits of Competition. No more special privileges to those with Political Connections.

      NC says — “We just pass a law that God is on our side and their rockets are not allowed to hit us nor can our citizens be killed overseas”.
      No, NC. We protect ourselves from outside attack rigorously. And we don’t travel to dangerous countries unless we are willing to shoulder the risks with our own personal resources instead of expecting others to pay for our foolishness.
      Also, I might add, that is a rather strange statement coming from a Liberal Progressive who would think nothing of disarming people so they can’t even protect themselves here in our own country.

      • nc

        DaveH. are you talking about the “affluence” that was created by the last great tax adjustment for the benefit of the rich and big business to care for our less fortunate!?? I think the “AFFLUNCE” that occurred from that experiment was called the BUSH RECESSION!!!! If that is Mises best shot we would be better off with firing squads for the elderly!!! No thank you! I just remembered why we have never needed that pipe dream!

  • Liberty Lover

    Excellent article. Things are going to get so much worse before desperate people might eventually be willing to try freedom as a solution to problems. Hard to believe that people can be so ignorant regarding human nature and human history.

  • Tom Cook

    These words ring true. You are right about education and IQ. If tests are meaningful I am closer to Einstein and Stephen Hawking than I am to the average person and I have both of the major professional degrees, but I was educated in the government school system and named one of my sons Lincoln before I learned that Lincoln was closer to Stalin and Hitler than to George Washington. Lincoln was a contemptible tyrant who was happy to see almost a million Americans die to preserve his mercantile system and defeat Federalism. The only hope for this country is the “Tea Party” and the people who do not join, but support that movement. In a discussion with one of my more libertarian friends recently we both agree that we are in dire need of a revolution which must be underpinned by our military. We need a military coup led by a Washington style leader who after cleansing the feces from our Congress and White House would turn the government back to a new and improved civilian regime.

    • DaveH

      A revolution at this point would be slated for almost certain failure, whether our side won or not, Tom. There are just too many heavily Propagandized individuals for anything good to come from it. Like Wendy says:

    • DaveH

      Those who would like to learn the circumstances that led up to our first revolution should read this very-interesting History of America from the original settlers to the revolution:

      Warning, some heroes will fall.

      • tony newbill

        here is whats next in America with the new Gun laws that are coming , like if you resist then you will be termed mentally ill and then if you resist the termed illness you will be termed a terrorist ,

      • DaveH

        Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.

      • Robert Smith

        So, the founding fathers and their religion ain’t so shiny now? Is that what you want us to believe, DaveH?

        Can’t steal history so it’s clear an effort is afoot to smear it.


      • DaveH

        I can’t stop you from believing whatever you want to believe, Robert. But those who would like to be more informed about our country’s history should read the book.
        All I can do, Robert, is to try to prevent you from spreading your ignorance to other readers.

      • Robert Smith

        DavidH claims: “All I can do, Robert, is to try to prevent you from spreading your ignorance to other readers.”

        Actually I’ve looked at George Washingtons writings from his own hand on paper from his letters and diaries. That’s my source of how the man thought. I don’t need the “interpritation” from some right wing nut.


  • ToughGuy1

    Hey. When Obama Jr. swears his oath in office again, he should feel guilty!

    • DaveH

      That would be the day.
      Sociopaths float to the top.

  • Jim B

    The United States government plutocracy has created a bureaucracy beyond anything imaginable just a few short years ago. Make no mistake, the government for the people, by the people is now a corrupted, inept criminal organization whose primary function is to usurp the earned income from the citizens of this once great nation. This lawless organization, who we call government, is the worst of the worst, more ruthless than any known mafia or terrorist organization, more corrupt than any Ponzi schemer could have ever devise, and the largest extortionist organization ever to exist, or be imagined on the planet. The United States decent will be the fastest in all historical times. This is the state we now live in, this from a country that had no equal just a few short years ago, whose liberties and freedoms where the envy of all the world. And now, we rank 17th in the world’s freest nations. In summary, the government has amassed 16.5 Trillion dollars in US debt, and their credit card has run out. However, through government counterfeiting (creating money from nothing), theft, and fraud they have stolen from all American workers to pay for the socialist bureaucracy which they have created for themselves, of which no citizen can benefit from. We are no longer the land of opportunity, the land of the free, we have allowed that title to be expunged from our history (in less than a few decades) and we will suffer dearly for that grave misstep of over trusting our government to do the right thing. God help us, for it will take a divine intervention to stop the tyranny that has bestowed itself upon us.

    • Bill

      Good post Jim B
      The public sector is like a cancer, once it takes hold, it is hard to stop it and it grows like hell. The public sector was oringinally design to offer us services. It has morphed into an excusive club for the elites who receive higher than market wages and benefits and their motivation is to force the taxpayer to pay for it, no matter if it is good or bad.

      As long as our public sector continues to act like a third world beaucracy, we will continue to be a third world country

      • DaveH

        Bill says — “The public sector was oringinally design to offer us services”.
        I don’t think so, Bill. From everything I’ve experienced and read, the Politicians say they’re providing services, but really they’re throwing some scraps to the people so as to get re-elected. That is, Buying Votes.
        The real services could be provided better, more cheaply, and voluntarily in the Free Marketplace.

    • http://yahoo gail

      You are correct in all you say we are a soum and gommorah country with no reality only the love of money ! The government has lead the people of America down the path of distruction all for a dollar. The biggest debt we have is We the people not taking care of this problem.

  • The Christian American

    Lenin, the father of communism in Russia said: “People think in words and how they interpret words is who they are. We must add new words and change the meaning of words to mold a people we want”. Words like freedom can have dual meanings which can be devestating to a society. Forinstance, there is the freedom that is associated with liberty and moral conduct. This one is a gift of God that no man can take away “Give me liberty or ive me death”. Then there is the freedom that is associated with evil Satanic practices. Murders, thieves, pornographers, people who engage in lewd conduct, people who use foul language, and then politicians who twist the proper interpretation of our founding documents to push their political agenda. Good people think they’re using the word freedom but what can I do as they push their evil agenda. They push the word Democracy. What’s wrong with that? Democracy is the absotlute worst form of government. Democracy is the majority pushing it’s will on the minority. We saw it in the predators against the producers in this last election. Benjamin Franklin said of democracy: “It’s like two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for lunch”. Very true there is war for minds. The mind dictates all the actions the body does. Capture the mind and you’ve captured the body as a tool for your agenda. At the time of Christ’s crucifixon, the veil in the temple that seperated the people from the high priest was torn from top to bottom. The people were accepting what tha priest said as “the word of God”. Men now had direct access to God. Men could receive wisdom from God through Christ, no one else and that wisdom taught man right from wrong. Satan didn’t disappear. He has been working in the minds of men constructing his own veil between God and man. Righteous men know right from wrong but today wrong is being interpreted as right. Satan’s hit men want to steal minds to use for his Satanic purposes. Read and believe John 3:16

    • tony newbill

      The Constitution were suppose to be the words that we only needed .
      The problem is the lack of following these words of laws and instead creating a dependent society that votes for the Person making promises from the Public treasure and they say once the public figured this out the republic would be over .
      There is no way this flood of gluttony can be stopped

  • dan

    Thomas Jefferson said it would be like this:
    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots
    and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.

    • tony newbill

      this form of cleaning comes when all rule of law and the enforcement mechanism becomes totally corrupted and rules against the bill of rights .
      This is important to define because the bill of rights up holds the liberties of free people even when the people become confused of their rights like today where they have been bought through promises of public treasures .

  • Right Brain Thinker

    I must admit that Bob Livingston has written a pretty good article here, although he needs to clean it up by being a bit more consistent, doing less internal flip-flopping, and doing less talking out of both sides of his mouth.

    Don’t waste the time to do a “please point out….best wishes” on me, Bob, because I won’t have time to respond today and I DID, after all, say “pretty good article”.

    I think you did identify many of the problems we face, many of your assessments are quite accurate, and I could have written the same article (or rather one that LOOKS very much the same) by changing not too many words.

    • DaveH

      As usual, all we get from Lizard Brain is personal attack and conjecture.
      This guy calls himself a “Thinker”? What a joke.

      • JeffH

        …and to think half brain thinker believes he’s smarter than someone with a whole brain…you don’t need to ask him though, he eagerly puts it out in just about every one of his posts…proving that he really does do his thinking with half of his brain.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      As usual, Jeffy and Davey (still working on the proof of whether they are the same person or not) have to say something stupid to see if I’m paying attention. Yes, girls, I noticed and have just enough time to respond.

      Dave, go find a dictionary (I know you don’t own one) and look up the meanings of “personal attack” and “conjecture” before you next pluck them off your list of “dumb things to say” and throw them at me. Lord love a duck!

      And Jeffy, your “canned” comment is not even worth responding to, other than to say you need to pull your nose back from that place where it will get bent if Dave makes a quick turn.

      • DaveH

        It’s comical, isn’t it Jeff, how these Liberal Progressives try every childish trick in the book to get their way, like “Jeffy and Davey”?

        Can’t your boiler room come up with any factual and logical arguments for you shills, Lizard Brain? I realize that factual and logical precludes any kind of Progressive philosophy, LB, but surely they can come up with something that at least sounds plausible?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        DaveH again talks to himself and pats himself on the back because himself is listening.

        So predictable, so inane.

      • JeffH

        RBT, still seeing those “spooky dudes” huh? LMAO at your obvious and actual stupidity.

        I’m not the smartest fellow in the world, but I can sure spot a half wit when I see one.

      • JeffH

        Half wit thinker says “And Jeffy, your “canned” comment is not even worth responding to, other than to say you need to pull your nose back from that place where it will get bent if Dave makes a quick turn.”

        Make up your mind confused one…either Dave and I are the same people posting under different names or we’re not. I would expect the “Half wit thinker” to devote multiple paragraphs and posts to comments that he/she deems unworthy of his ignorant responses.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        FINALLY JeffH says something that we can all agree on.

        “I’m not the smartest fellow in the world, but I can sure spot a half wit when I see one”.

        The first half of that statement is the whole truth, and the second half unfortunately is not. I would venture that JeffH has been looking in a mirror for many years and hasn’t “seen” yet.

        JeffH also says, “Make up your mind confused one…either Dave and I are the same people posting under different names or we’re not”

        Be patient, Jeffy. My Language Pattern Recognition software unfortunately requires that I copy and paste the “blatherings” of the various folks I suspect one comment at a time into the programs before I can process it and see what matches up. It may take a while (even many weeks since I DO have a life and PLD is only a small part of it), but as I told you/him/them/all, the truth is coming to get you!—-HA—HA—HA—be afraid! One little hint—-some preliminary analysis indicates that there may be more than one person posting under the handle of DaveH. Interesting.

        And I know it’s late and maybe I’m tired, but the meaning of this comment escapes me. Would you care to explain what you are saying here? “I would expect the “Half wit thinker” to devote multiple paragraphs and posts to comments that he/she deems unworthy of his ignorant responses” Doesn’t make any sense..

  • dianiline

    Please clarify paragraph 8, where you describe the misinformation provided in public education. It is not clear what you are saying about Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman–are teachers telling children that they are war criminals, or the opposite?

    • DaveH

      The opposite, dianiline.
      Pick up this book (among many others) to get a sense of the kind of man who Lincoln really was:

    • The Christian American

      There’s no such thing as public education, There’s either private education or government education, The founders left any mention out of the Constitution Why? They knew education is a matter of opinion and if government got involved in, people only would be taught what as politically correct, like they are today.The minds of people are like union workers: “When I blowa da whis, everybody jump to my tune”.

      • mark

        That’s really funny because poll after poll shows that government-educated Americans have very little respect for the U.S. government and know very little about U.S. history. If indoctrination is the goal of government education, it has failed miserably.

      • cawmun cents

        Yes but wouldnt that depend upon whether being indoctrinated in the first place,was an actual mark of intellingence?
        An intelligent person would not be indoctrinated,wouldnt you agree?
        If you see someone going along to get along,does that scream intelligence to you?
        Education implies that knowledge is being imparted.
        Indoctrination implies that you have so little knowledge as to be easily fooled into accepting the “education”,that your indoctrinators have given you.
        If that then leads to less knowledge,it should be a clear indication that they do not intend to educate,but rather indoctrinate.
        Hence the reason progressive liberals cannot deduce reality from what has been placed in their minds,by their indoctrinators.
        But what do I know?
        Apparently very little….

    • Right Brain Thinker

      dianiline seems to have some of the same problems I do in deciphering Bob’s article. She asks,

      “Please clarify paragraph 8, where you describe the misinformation provided in public education. It is not clear what you are saying about Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman–are teachers telling children that they are war criminals, or the opposite?”

      Bob hasn’t answered but looking at the “language mechanics” of his article, one can say that the first paragraph quoted below is definitely stating that the “great explorers” are being described as “genocidal maniacs” in the PUBLIC schools. It is strongly implying that the PUBLIC schools are presenting the founding fathers as “evil, slavery-loving, women-hating bigots”, even if not stating it as baldly. Bob leaves us to our own devices in trying to figure out who the “Actual freedom-stealing racist tyrants” may be that he implies “are presented as role models” by somebody, again presumably by the PUBLIC schools.

      The paragraph you ask for clarification on is a bit disjointed and vague. First, it is not clear what Bob is really saying when he tries to connect up “whitewash”, the Civil War, Lincoln et al, the deaths of 850,000 (?), and the ramblings about the Constitution. Second, only Bob can tell you whether or not he is saying the PUBLIC schools are guilty of all this—he has pointed out many “culprits” in his rant—-the “elites” and the “media” may be the ones he is pointing the finger at—-his language is not clear. Maybe he will answer your question.

      Of course, I don’t think Bob was particularly concerned about clarity here. We know he has some sort of unjustified hatred for PUBLIC schools, but when you’re on a rant (and a pretty good one, as I said when I complimented Bob earlier), you’re not very concerned with clarity or truth, just with impact. I think both of the paragraphs referenced here are generally horsepucky and detract from some of the “better” things Bob said to us here—-it’s unfortunate that he has to go so “ever the top” on some things.

      Bob’s 7th. and 8th. paragraphs:

      “In public schools the great explorers of the 15th and 16th centuries are described as genocidal maniacs responsible for the destruction whole races. U.S. Founding Fathers are presented as evil, slavery-loving, women-hating bigots. Actual freedom-stealing racist tyrants are presented as role models”.

      “The evils and murders of totalitarian regimes have been whitewashed as necessary for the safety and continuation of the state — hence the acceptance of the very uncivil war; the American love affair with the war criminals Abraham Lincoln, U.S. Grant and William T. Sherman; and the dismissal of the deaths by violence, disease and starvation of 850,000 people, many of them noncombatants. The state is presented as right and just, despite a Constitution that is outdated, inadequate and unjust”.

      PS ignore DaveH’s tail wagging—the fact that I, his arch-nemesis, have recognized him will be enough for him. says:
      January 7, 2013 at 11:06 am

      And The Christian American wants to propagandize you with his assertion that there is “no such thing as public education”, and somehow bases his argument on the thought that “people only would be taught what as politically correct, like they are today”

      Absurd on the face of it, and his need to somehow bring in union workers and use some idiotic dialect makes him look even more foolish. Who are you mocking anyway with the dialect garbage, CA,? Perhaps one of those “Eye-talian” priests who belong to the biggest union in the world? Like I said, foolish.

      • DaveH

        And there you have it, Folks — the demented rantings of a guy who thinks with his Lizard Brain.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        And there you have it, Folks —the self-deluded mutterings of someone who follows RBT around like a puppy dog and nips at RBT’s heels with inanities. I noticed, Dave, and used a few (very few) brain cells to reply. I’m sure that will make your day that SOMEONE noticed you..

        PS Have you ever stopped to think how your little inanities stack up against my postings?. I usually spend some time to put forth some THOUGHTS for people to digest and you spend almost no time to put forth childish put downs and name-calling. Are you that much out of touch with reality that you think ANYONE (other than your shill cronies and multiple personalities) pays any attention to you at all?

        Do us a favor and go away. You have just about ruined this thread and it’s still quite young—-that’s a shame.

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear dianiline,

      You write: “It is not clear what you are saying about Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman–are teachers telling children that they are war criminals, or the opposite?” You will not hear from the public noneducation system, most of the institutes of higher learning or from mainstream sources that the three committed war crimes.

      Best wishes,

      • Right Brain Thinker

        So who IS saying they committed war crimes and what proof do they offer? And what do you call Andersonville and Fort Pillow?

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear Right Brain Thinker,

          You write: “So who IS saying they committed war crimes and what proof do they offer?” Anyone who looks at what Sherman and his army did (with Lincoln’s blessings and Grant’s instruction) on the “March to the Sea” with his entire brain IS saying it.

          “To the petulant and persistent secessionists, why death is mercy, and the quicker he or she is disposed of the better . . . . Until we can repopulate Georgia, it is useless to occupy it, but the utter destruction of its roads, houses, and people will cripple their military resources.” –Gen. William T. Sherman

          And any who looks with their entire brain at what Sherman did to the Indian tribes IS saying it.

          “All Indians who are not on reservations are hostile and will remain so until killed off.”– General William T. Sherman

          You write: “nd what do you call Andersonville and Fort Pillow?” Red herrings in the current discussion.

          Best wishes,

  • Sonia

    Pay particular attention starting at goal #11

    You are about to read a list of 45 goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963. As you read this, 39 years later, you should be shocked by the events that have played themselves out. I first ran across this list 3 years ago but was unable to attain a copy and it has bothered me ever since. Recently, Jeff Rense posted it on his site and I would like to thank him for doing so.

    Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963


    Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

    At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen:

    [From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

    1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

    2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

    3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

    4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

    5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

    6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

    7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

    8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

    9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

    10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

    11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

    12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

    13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

    14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

    15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

    16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

    17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

    18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

    19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

    20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

    21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

    22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

    23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

    24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

    25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

    26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

    27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

    28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

    29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

    30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

    31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

    32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

    33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

    34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

    35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

    36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

    37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

    38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

    39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

    40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

    41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

    42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

    43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

    44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

    45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

    Note by Webmaster: The Congressional Record back this far has not be digitized and posted on the Internet.

    It will probably be available at your nearest library that is a federal repository. Call them and ask them. Your college library is probably a repository. This is an excellent source of government records. Another source are your Congress Critters. They should be more than happy to help you in this matter. You will find the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto interesting at this point.

    Webmaster Forest Glen Durland found the document in the library.

    Sources are listed below.

    Microfilm: California State University at San Jose Clark Library, Government Floor Phone (408)924-2770 Microfilm Call Number: J 11.R5

    Congressional Record, Vol. 109 88th Congress, 1st Session Appendix Pages A1-A2842 Jan. 9-May 7, 1963 Reel 12

    1963- The Year That Changed America

    • tony newbill

      Sonia here is our only defense thats left for what you have described as a greatest threat to Liberty ,

    • The Christian American

      This is for the most part true but the author wasn’t aware that America would become the seat of One world Communism, as it is today, In the Communist world there is a Comintern (one world congress). Every country has someone representing it, communist or not. The ones that did adopt communism are considered to be in the fold, the others, candidates for the fold. The American people live in one world while their government functions in another. There is an “Iron curtain” surounding America so that the flow of information keeps the people in the dark, or dancing in the tulips while their country is burning to the ground

    • mark

      This Cleon Skousen was just a cuckoo-clock Bircher who’s predictions were as ludicrous as his overall thesis. He was just another of the various extreme right-wing charlatans who in the early 1960s guaranteed that the Soviet Union would conquer America from within in about 10 years. We all know how that one turned out. The Soviets collapsed in 1991 and communism as an actual system only survives in the pathetic basket cases of North Korea and Cuba. So much for the invincible communist system. I mean the idea of the ludicrous impotent UN accomplishing anything in this world can only lead one to hiliarity. They are a complete powerless, disarmed joke.

      • cawmun cents

        Yes but wouldnt that depend upon whether being indoctrinated in the first place,was an actual mark of intellingence?
        An intelligent person would not be indoctrinated,wouldnt you agree?
        If you see someone going along to get along,does that scream intelligence to you?
        Education implies that knowledge is being imparted.
        Indoctrination implies that you have so little knowledge as to be easily fooled into accepting the “education”,that your indoctrinators have given you.
        If that then leads to less knowledge,it should be a clear indication that they do not intend to educate,but rather indoctrinate.
        Hence the reason progressive liberals cannot deduce reality from what has been placed in their minds,by their indoctrinators.
        But what do I know?
        Apparently very little….

      • Kate8

        cawmen cents – Very good points…I like it.

        The Leftist loons have zero ability to put things in context or read between the lines on anything. Just promise them something and they’ll do anything you want them to.

        I’m really sick of their derogatory, ridiculing terms and name-calling. I realize it’s all part of their training, but I do think we need to turn the tables on them.

        I’d love to come up with some good names to match the ones they have for us, like ‘truther’ and so forth (as if it’s crazy to want the truth).

        They are corporate bootlickers, and the funny part is, they don’t even realize that they’re working for the same people they claim to abhor. They’re completely clueless about everything.

      • cawmun cents

        Thanks Kate8,

        I wouldnt necessarily confirm my remarks as being a point of clarity,but rather an observation from someone who knows male bovine fecal matter when he smells it.
        I would call them “progs”,or “go alongs”…..but that is just me.
        To serve them what they serve us,is not an accurate description of the intracasies of the argument.
        I consider myself an apologist,and since I have done nothing to apologize for,I feel as if I am screaming into deaf ears when I retort to these D.P.L.’s(Disturbed Progressive Liberal).
        There you have it…..Mt new name for them….DEEPLES!
        Or Deeple for an individual.
        I taught s.c. the euphemism,”Uncle Scam”,perhaps folks will start using “deeple”,to desribe the dumb-ass-ery of Disturbed Progressive Liberals….who can tell?
        Only a deeple understands another deeple,right?
        That is why they come at you in twos and threes to get you off track about what you have noticed is the condition of the nation.
        They are programmed and products of their handlers,which obviously have lost touch with reality,and use tired old marxist tactics,instead of critical thinking and astute observation.
        They call us sheeple….I call them deeple,because they are deeper in the male bovine fecal matter than the ones they call sheeple,they just consider themselves as higher thinkers.
        But how can you (as a deeple) hear yourself thinking when the president is farting?
        In fact,since your head is deeply buried in the crack of the illustrious leader,how can you hear anything but the scattalk that comes from an @$$#0!E?

  • Don

    where is Eddy47?

    • Karolyn

      eddie’s posts are moderated because he was a bad boy (per Bob L.). They appear later than posted.

      • mark

        Censorship on a liberty site? How ironic.

    • Benjamin Fox

      thank God, eddie, teddy 47 ways to be a commie is brainwashed and drinks lib cool ade.

    • JeffH

      Who really cares besides his new found freind Falsy.(psst-he really doesn’t care either)

  • Karolyn

    Just out! Brain eating zombies invade DC and die of starvation! (found on FB. I thought it was cute.)

    • WTS/JAY

      That was funny!!!

      • http://private Dave Willis

        Good day WTS/JAY
        Beware of Karolyn, she told a bare faced lie, saying that Obama did not admit to being a Muslim, in a Youtube video clip, I double checked the copy of the video, in my favourites folder, poor gal must be deaf and partially sighted when trying to even lip read Obama’s admission, if that is she ever did see the video clip. Once again, please beware, she may be a budding politician.



  • J.Scott

    I can’t put into words how much it means to me to know you’ve put my most inward thoughts these subjects. Thank You for keep all of us in the fight!

  • mark

    Politicians and the mainstream media are not the only ones who use these techniques. Political websites and blogs of the right, left, conservative, liberal, and libertarian all do the exact same thing with their wild inaccurate predictions of the end of America, the end of the Constitution, “death panels,” millions incarcerated in FEMA Camps, government seizure of all guns, U.S. alliances with Al Qaeda, U.S government complicity in 9/11, etc. This same ludicrous fear mongering is routinely employed to gin up and manipulate their bases. So to pretend that this kind of activity is strictly the purview of the government, the mainstream media, and the two main political parties is disingenuous. All kinds of wild, manipulative, and fear-based speculation is routinely employed on this website for instance for psychological effect, such as that mass murders at Aurora and Sandyhook were government-sponsored false flag operations, assertions that have zero proof. The headlines of so many stories on this site are loaded with highly-exaggerated doom about all the horrible things our government is going to do to us. Just as left-wing sites go on and on about exaggerated Republican plots to “destroy America.” Richard Hofstadter said in best in his groundbreaking political essay from the 1964, “The Paranoid Style in American Politics” It reads truer today than it did in 1964 when the John Birch Society convinced thousands of gullible Americans that presidents like Harry Truman and Dwight D. Eisenhower of all people were communists! See below, it really is a great essay.

    • Frank Kahn

      HELLO MARK!!!!!

      It is true, what you say, that there are some here that go way overboard by stating something as a fact when it is actually a conclusion. The choice o words is always important. Context is always important.

      You often use your own conclusions as facts on this site. You obfuscate the truth by means of implication. You claim that the lack of PROOF of government involvement proves that there was none.

      What is more accurate, and should be used by you and the others that are making that mistake is the facts. When the facts dont support the official story then assumptions can be voiced.

      On the subject of the original 911 attack, I am surprised when the Obama supporters on this site yell foul when someone says that 911 was a government false flag. If that is true then it was Bush that did it and they usually love to blame him.

      If you look at the facts associated with 911 you will have to admit that something is wrong with the governments official story. I personally dont think that planes hit the two towers, but I will not get into that portion here. Building 7 was demolished, it was not hit by a plane since there were only 2 reported to crash into buildings and they hit tower 1 and tower 2. I saw the official news footage of the 4th plane that went down in a field. No bodies, no luggage, no plane parts, no scorched ground. Also the official description on how and why it crashed is just sooo wrong. I am a pilot and what they said happened is not possible. I also watched a video presentation about how the two that hit the towers were tracked and under suspicion of being hijacked. In that presentation it said that our military planes were not fast enough to intercept them. Who are they trying to kid. I have a relative in Naval Intelligence that said it was classified but that our pilots were not given the execute order to stop the planes. Osama bin Laden denied responsibility for the attacks. So, some of these FACTS dont support the governments story, why? I presume you will try to argue the validity of some of my statements but there is nothing I can do to stop that. Just answer me one question, WHAT BROUGHT DOWN BUILDING 7?

      Seizure / confiscation of all guns. I will only support this fatalistic prediction with the following statements and conjecture. For almost a year on this site I have seen people talk about Obama wanting to ban certain weapons. I have seen all the Obama supporters saying that it was ridiculous, he would not try to do that. Well, surprise, he is trying to do it now. Didnt even wait to get sworn into his second term. Some others in office are calling for massive banning of guns. Obama has enlisted the help (consultation) of the Brady anti-gun organization. That organization has advocated extreme if not total banning of firearms. So, my speculation is this, he didnt talk about banning guns most of his first term and now he is hell bent on doing it, so what is to stop him from banning them all? The question is, where will it end, what is reasonable in the mind of someone like him?

      Death panels, dont like that term but it is what it is. There is a proposed government panel that would determine the efficacy of expensive treatment options for older citizens. If the procedure is deemed to be unacceptable in a cost to benefit ratio then it will be denied. If it is a critical life saving procedure then the result is death. Eddie says they will only give recommendations like that is better but if the recommendation is followed it is the same thing.

      The United States government create Al Qaeda, an alliance is not really the issue when they are ours to start with.

      Sandy Hook elementary school shooting. Well, here we have way too many discrepancies to cover them all. There were at least two men arrested at Sandy Hook after the shooting. Who were they and where did they go? The original report said that the bushmaster was found in his car, but later reports said all the killing was done with the rifle. Why weren’t first responder medical teams allowed inside the school? If all the killing took place inside a classroom, why did they make everyone close their eyes when leaving? Now, these questions need answered truthfully, we can only surmise government involvement, at least in a cover up, if they are not handled believably. I also saw that portion of “Dark Night Rising” where you can see the words Sandy Hook hand written on a map. Was that a forgery?

      So, in all these cases, we need better information from the government about what happened. Lies and coverups only fuel the notion of a government conspiracy. Asking questions about these situations is not driven by fear, paranoia or a desire to put the blame on the current administration, it is only a quest for knowledge.

      I have included a quote from you post that shows why I chose to respond to these items.

      ” “death panels,” millions incarcerated in FEMA Camps, government seizure of all guns, U.S. alliances with Al Qaeda, U.S government complicity in 9/11, etc. This same ludicrous fear mongering is routinely employed to gin up and manipulate their bases. So to pretend that this kind of activity is strictly the purview of the government, the mainstream media, and the two main political parties is disingenuous. All kinds of wild, manipulative, and fear-based speculation is routinely employed on this website for instance for psychological effect, such as that mass murders at Aurora and Sandyhook were government-sponsored false flag operations, assertions that have zero proof.”

  • Kate8

    The truth is that foreign countries see well what’s going on in America, and we can get better news about America from their media outlets than we get here. has some very good articles about what the Russians see going on here in the US, and their observations are very astute about how ignorant Americans are about what’s happening in our final march to socialism/communism/corporatism.

    Having recovered from the Russian Holocaust of the last century, the senseless and brutal slaughter of over 60million people (primarily Christians) by their government, they know the path only too well, and they are shocked by our willingness to go there. They see what’s ahead for us, and they are trying to warn us, including about the folly of giving up arms.

    Everyone see it except too many Americans. How is it that so many Americans actually trust this government, even though they’ve proven over and over to by wholly unworthy of ANY trust? Are we really so stupified that we hold our politicians above the fray?

    Will enough of us see the light in time? Not looking so good if you believe the media. But then, it is nuts to believe anything they say.

    Looks like some difficult challenges may be coming very shortly. We will see whether we will be up to it.

    Look up, folks. Look inside. We are soon to be sorely tested.

    It can’t be any other way as long as too many of us still don’t get it.

    • http://private Dave Willis

      Good day Kate,
      Bravo to you Kate, have you seen Obama on youtube admitting his Islamic faith, removing his lapel stars and stripes, and bowing to a Saudi Islamic King, Ignorance, Lenin said keep the unemployed masses in that state of mind, and some supposedly free benefits, thus creating a mass of useful idiots under total control, a Islamic trait. Is America collapsing from within?

      • mark

        Dave, being a Muslim (there is no religious requirement for being U.S. president), removing a metal pin of the U.S. flag from one’s lapel, or bowing ceremonially to a foreign monarch (which many presidents and foreign leaders, prime ministers, etc have done for centuries), does not disqualify anyone from being U.S. president. I have no problem with any of these acts. They have zero effect on my evaluation of President Obama. Nor does the fact that he has a 30 year documented recorded of attending Christian Churches, that he salutes the U.S. flag all the time at official ceremonies and military inspections or that he frequently welcomes monarchs to the White House. It takes a lot more than going to church, saluting the flag, or how one greets foreign leaders to make one a good president. All three of these actions are inconsequential minutiae.

      • Kate8

        A person is required to pledge loyalty to our Constitution upon entering office. Obama has made his contempt for our Constitution well known.

        Islam is not just a religion. It is a political ideology. And a Muslim MUST pledge his loyalty FIRST to Islam, and to work to conquer all for Islam. That is decidedly NOT American.

        His actions have attested to his loyalty to Islam.

        Rev. Wright’s church is a communist front. It is anything but Christian, and Obama is only said to have been there as part of his overall facade he presents to America.

        If you had a lick of sense you’d think about what you just said.

      • Karolyn

        He never admitted he was Muslim. That video was edited.

      • mark

        That is your interpretation of Islam, Kate, one that is not held by the vast majority of Muslims. President Barak Obama is not a Muslim. But as I said before, I have zero problem with a Muslim being president as did the Founding Fathers, otherwise they would have added a religious test to becoming president which they pointedly did not do.

      • http://private Dave Willis

        My comment is about male same sex marriage and particularly so in a Christian church.
        For them to achieve this, the inevitable so called progressive/political correctness
        is in the fore front at all levels of the general media.
        In effect their idea of progress, is to convince us that all of the “thou shalt nots” that were instilled into us from chilhood, primarilly derivitive of the Christian Bibles Ten Commandments and teachings of Jesus Christ, can be abandoned.
        A requirement in the church marriage is that it must be consumated, eg, vaginal sex/intercousre between husband and wife, thus creating a union of in/one flesh.

        This obviously is not possible by two men, or for that matter two women, so how must their marriage/union be consumated. Irrespective of how the consumation is contrived, with the present world wide demand for equal rights, would the same sex contrived consumation be acceptable for heterosexuals.
        oh dear, should there be any responses will they be clean of mind if nothing else, the UKs Bishop Cranmer believes the politicians have created a unintended consequence, in their demands for same sex marriages in a Christian church to be accepted, he says it could be fun to watch and hear the debate in parliament.



      • Kate8

        Dave Willis – Marriage is, by definition, a union of opposites, and cannot apply to same-sex couples.

        That being said, if they want to find a religion which is willing to contract a union between two males or females, they are free to do so. They could even establish their own.

        That being said, I am for government completely butting out of marriage altogether. Marriage is a union before God, and the only reason government got involved in it was so they could lay claim to any issue of said union, and that is bondage. There is no reason to have a “legal” implication at all.

  • Joe Chernicoff

    Your “Controlled Chaos column is another example of why it is important to be a autodidactic – and read the many important texts available in the marketplace.

  • douglasdauntless

    Livingston hit the nail right on the head also that is why our Government creates an enemy, we have to have an enemy to go along with the chaos. We have always had an enemy for the last hundred years. From Wilson on up the ladder of traitors that ran and run this Country.

    • mark

      Traitors in your opinion. Several of them were excellent presidents. None of them were ever charged with or convicted of treason.

  • http://private Dave Willis

    Sorry Genomega1, not a direct comment to yourself but all of the comments fielded.
    Now aged 71, a Brit, lived and to date for forty years in South Africa, still with only a Brit passport and not allowed to vote , under a supposedly finest constitution in the world.
    Throughout my life, my psyche has not changed regarding right or wrong, primarilly because of that which lies between justice and injustice, namely “fairplay”.
    Sadly, after looking in from afar on the USA,UK,Europe and SA, there is no fairplay anymore, infact I would say it is anathema to most if not all politicians and, to what percentage of their respective populations I do not know,

    Should I say God bless any of these governments, now ways, they have not stood up for the Godly faith foundation of their constitutions, fairplay, not I believe in my remaining lifetime, yea another 29 years at least!!!!
    May god bless you all for giving of your time and thoughts.



  • KarrlMarxx

    the heads of all the mainstream media, including Rupert Murdoch are members of the CFR…they are neither Liberal, nor Conservative, Right nor Left, or, Demoncrat nor Republicant..they are Globalist, using the Hegelian Dialectic as a tool of manipulation on an undiscerning populace in order to move (herd) the citizens to a Global environment…the real enemy is the United Nations, NATO, and The Council on Foreign Relations…all are Global Entities promoting a One World Environment…for example…the people (actors) involved in the whole Benghazi Orchestrated Event were all members of the CFR…David Petraeus, Paula Broadwell, John Allen, Kip Ward, Susan Rice, Hitlery Clinton, Diane Feinstein, Eric Holder, Leon Panetta…et, al… order for the Globalist to accomplish their stated mission, they have to have people who are willing to sacrifice themselves in order to protect a bigger ideal…every single one of these events are created in order to facilitate some form of change, one event at a time, and the best defence and cover these people have is that the majority of a free people are unable to discern truth from lie, right from wrong, and good from evil, and whenever someone speaks of these things which are not convenient, they are systematically ridiculed as Conspiracy theorist, therefore allowing the Globalist to operate in plain view without ever being seen….


    The typical person, of whatever nationality, wants only to enjoy success in his job, to be able to afford a reasonably high standard of living complete with leisure and travel,” describes Gary Allen. “He wants to provide for his family in sickness and in health and to give his children a sound education. His ambition stops there,” says Allen. “He has no desire to exercise power over others, to conquer other lands or people’s, to be king.”

    He continues, “Since he has no lust for power, it is difficult for him to imagine that there are others who have [and] who march to a far different drum.” He asks, “Why should we assume there are no such men today with perverted lusts for power?” In my opinion, we shouldn’t because we know that they do exist, and consist of about 4% of the population during any period. “And if these men happen to be billionaires,” ponders Allen, “is it not possible that they would use men like Hitler and Lenin as pawns to size power for themselves?” True history supports this claim exactly.

    Dr. Hare refers to them as “interspecies predators.” “There is a class of individuals who have been around forever and who are found in every race, culture, society and walk of life,” he says. “If you think about it,” he adds, “you will realize that what is missing in this picture are the very qualities that allow human beings to live in social harmony.” “It is not a pretty picture,” he warns, “and some express doubt that such people exist.”

    If this 4% of the population exists at all levels of society at any given period, is it possible that some would seek top positions of influence? Of course. Remember, a need for absolute power over others is a core trait of the psychopath. Goal-oriented deceitfulness, superficial charm, an outward friendly appearance, and having no remorse, are other traits which will allow them to achieve their goals. If they are also people of tremendous wealth, they will definitely use this to further their objectives. And because deceitfulness is a core psychopathic trait, this will probably be done by creating a humanitarian front organization.

    Evil people are often busy building for themselves various fronts for disguise and to further their ambitions. Dr. Peck described, “They are likely to exert themselves more than most in their continuing effort to obtain and maintain an image of high respectability.”

    So, unlike in the movies, evil does not reveal itself as the bad guy dressed in black, or the monster in plain sight. Evil will very rarely expose itself to public light. It must hide. And it almost always hides under the guise of something righteous. In fact, rather than hiding in the shadows dressed in black, it disguises itself in suits, uniforms, and charitable organizations, which allow it to deceive us into thinking it’s our savior. This enables it to cause far greater damage.

    “While evil may manifest itself obviously … it rarely does so,” Dr. Peck proclaimed, and added, “those who are evil are masters of disguise.”

    Now let’s examine the track record of the people who control the planet. They have created wars for profit and control, which have resulted in the deaths of millions of people, for which they exhibit no remorse. They’ve allowed attacks to occur, created depressions, and overthrown governments to further their ambitions.

    They have repeatedly lied about these events using the media, which they control, and academia, which they also control by their Tax-exempt Foundations.These wealthy people masquerade as the saviors of society. They disguise themselves using public front organizations, which appear to be humanitarian in nature. They’ve repeatedly not only lied about major historical events, but have deliberately created these catastrophes for their own benefit. Their own publications indicate that they plan to install a global dictatorship with them in complete control.

    These people are textbook psychopaths. They are anti-human! Compared to regular law-breaking criminals, these people appear to be OK, on the surface. But as we’ve learned, lies, deception, and disguise are standard traits of those who are evil. “[They] come from the very highest social strata,” wrote Allen. “They are immensely wealthy, highly educated and extremely cultured. Many of them have lifelong reputations for philanthropy. Nobody enjoys being put in the position of accusing prominent people of conspiring to enslave their fellow Americans, but the facts are inescapable.” If you were to research the people throughout history that have committed atrocities against populations, you would probably find that most were psychopaths.

    Although mainstream history books do describe some of these events, they don’t emphasize the pattern which they were part of. This pattern consists of a steady stream of psychopaths lying, deceiving and murdering their way to the top, which then resulted in the atrocities. This re-occurring theme seems to be the norm. Regarding this, Dr. Lobaczewski said, “We then usually reach the conclusion that the deed would not have taken place … since the pathological factor sealed its occurrence or became an indispensable component it its origin. The hypothesis thus suggests itself that such factors are commonly active in the genesis of evil.” He explained, “Within this interlocking structure, one kind of evil feeds and opens doors for others regardless of any individual or doctrinal motivations.” Finally, he suggests, “Since pathological factors are present within the syntheses of most instances of evil, they are also present in its continuum.” “Because their wilfulness is so extraordinary and always accompanied by a lust for power I suspect that the evil are more likely than most to politically aggrandize themselves,” described Dr. Peck. Dr. Sabbatini wrote, “Under stressing social situations such as in wars, general poverty and breakdown of the economy, sweeping epidemics or political fighting, etc., sociopath`s may acquire the status of regional or national leaders and saviors… When they are in positions of power, they can inflict far more damage than as individuals.”

    Professor Marrs commented, “Yet, in public, they impress us as men who are likeable, intelligent, refined, fair-minded, tolerant, thoughtful, kind, and gentile men who sincerely care about such matters as the environment, the plight of the hungry and starving overseas, the jobless, and the poverty-stricken.

    Moreover, they often are recognized as leaders in the legitimate quest for world peace and tranquility.”

    He continued, “Many are active in church work and charitable organizations. Others give freely to good causes.” Recognizing this facade, he added, “No one would suspect for a moment what actually goes on in the deep, dark recesses of their diabolical minds.”

    Another extremely useful skill to learn is the ability to detect this pattern of decay in a nation under a pathological influence. Dr. Lobaczewski’s book, Political Ponerology explains this pattern in detail. He has experienced this process personally while living in Poland under both Nazi and Communist occupation. Once you realize that psychopaths control the World, America and the NATO nations, the reason for endless wars and never-ending turmoil becomes clear. Once you understand the nature of the psychopath, it makes perfect sense.

    When psychopaths rule a society, it will exhibit their traits. Generally it will be heavily corrupted. But because deception is a primary trait of the psychopath, it will appear humane. Its traits can be observed from the highest level of government down to the street level. If you wanted to witness the madness of a civilization under psychopathic rule, you need not visit the state capital or a major city, because even the smallest village will exhibit these traits. When the controlling faction of a society is evil the sickness permeates into the lower levels. Immoral attitudes are projected, while moral ones are ridiculed, and enemies are created. The destructive process ends with a holocaust, genocide or persecution of some manner.

    The New World Order is such a movement. In November of 1975, Congressman Lawrence P. McDonald stated that the most important issue of our time is the “drive of the Rockefeller’s and their allies to create a one-world government, combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.” He warned that this drive is “international in scope,” and “incredibly evil in intent.” Ross wrote, “I don’t know about you, but these … activities seriously concern me, because my children and grandchildren will suffer many times greater than we do today under the control of these EVIL MONSTERS.” He added, “I have tried to find worse terms for them, but this is the best that I can think of to describe them.”

    When a nation or other organization begins this process of evil, psychopaths and other deviants are attracted to it like a magnet. Like-minded individuals are installed in key positions of influence. Regarding the current epidemic, this would include the federal agencies which are allegedly carrying out these Co-intel-pro operations and hitting people with Non-lethal Weapons, as well as the citizen networks which stalk targets in public.

    As already demonstrated, you must capture the streets and a percentage of the population in order to install a dictatorship. To do this, a portion of the society is selected to enforce the dictator’s rule on the street level.

    Historical evidence suggests that this portion usually consists of the core operational centers of a society, e.g., factories, hospitals, schools, civic centers, religious organizations, law enforcement, utility companies, stores, etc. Dr. Lobaczewski described this in the following way: “The actions of this phenomenon effect an entire society, starting with the leaders and infiltrating every village, small town, factory, business, or farm. The pathological social structure gradually covers the entire country, creating a ‘new class’ within the nation. This privileged class of deviants feels
    permanently threatened by the ‘others.’” The “others” are apparently the people who have been targeted for persecution.

    Full Article:

  • http://embarqmail Jeff

    The absoule best article that I have ever seen on this subject thus far. Look at history.. it is the way that the global elites have done it every time. In times past, the global elites have most always fought against themselves for control of esisting and new land, resources and “booty”. Today however, due to intra-marriages etc, with one another, they are now essentially one big happy “family” plotting together to take over the entire world and divide it up as they see fit based on the “King” (them) and “Slaves” (us) form of government. The founders of our constitution knew this and invented our constitution as a way to protect our citizens and act as an early warning device to warn us of their subversive (internal corruption) actions.

  • FreedomFighter

    A total world population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
    Ted Turner, in an interview with Audubon Magazine

    Obama wanst to take your guns…better thing twice about that, or be one of the 95%.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • cawmun cents
  • Motov

    How’s this for apocalyptic literature. This was written by a pastor’s
    wife in biblical prose as a commentary of current events.
    It is brilliant.

    And it came to pass in the Age of Insanity that the people of the land
    called America , having lost their morals, their initiative, and their
    will to defend their liberties, chose as their Supreme Leader that
    person known as “The One.”

    He emerged from the vapors with a message that had no meaning; but He
    hypnotized the people telling them, “I am sent to save you.” My lack
    of experience, my questionable ethics, my monstrous ego, and my
    association with evil doers are of no consequence. I shall save you
    with hope and Change. Go, therefore, and proclaim throughout the
    land that he who proceeded me is evil, that he has defiled the nation,
    and that all he has built must be destroyed. And the people rejoiced,
    for even though they knew not what “The One” would do, he had promised
    that it was good; and they believed. And “The One” said ” We live in
    the greatest country in the world. Help me change everything about it!”
    And the people said, “Hallelujah! Change is good!”
    Then He said, “We are going to tax the rich fat-cats.” And the
    people said “Sock it to them!” “And redistribute their wealth.” And
    the people said, “Show us the money!” And the he said, ”
    redistribution of wealth is good for everybody..”

    And Joe the plumber asked, ” Are you kidding me? You’re going to
    steal my money and give it to the deadbeats??” And “The One”
    ridiculed and taunted him, and Joe’s personal records were hacked and publicized.
    One lone reporter asked, “Isn’t that Marxist policy?” And she was
    banished from the kingdom.

    Then a citizen asked, “With no foreign relations experience and
    having zero military experience or knowledge, how will you deal with
    radical terrorists?” And “The One” said, “Simple. I shall sit with
    them and talk with them and show them how nice we really are; and they
    will forget that they ever wanted to kill us all!” And the people
    said, “Hallelujah!! We are safe at last, and we can beat our weapons
    into free cars for the people!”

    Then “The One” said “I shall give 95% of you lower taxes.” And one,
    lone voice said, “But 40% of us don’t pay ANY taxes.” So “The One”
    said, “Then I shall give you some of the taxes the fat-cats pay!”
    And the people said, “Hallelujah! Show us the money!”
    Then “The One” said, “I shall tax your Capital Gains when you sell
    your homes!” And the people yawned and the slumping housing market
    collapsed. And He said. “I shall mandate employer-funded health care
    for every worker and raise the minimum wage. And I shall give every
    person unlimited healthcare and medicine and transportation to the
    clinics.” And the people said, “Give me some of that!”
    Then he said, “I shall penalize employers who ship jobs overseas.”
    And the people said, “Where’s my rebate check?”

    Then “The One” said, “I shall bankrupt the coal industry and
    electricity rates will skyrocket!” And the people said, “Coal is
    dirty, coal is evil, no more coal! But we don’t care for that part
    about higher electric rates.” So “The One” said, Not to worry. If
    your rebate isn’t enough to cover your expenses, we shall bail you out.
    Just sign up with the ACORN and you troubles are over!”
    Then He said, “Illegal immigrants feel scorned and slighted. Let’s
    grant them amnesty, Social Security, free education, free lunches,
    free medical care, bi-lingual signs and guaranteed housing…” And
    the people said, “Hallelujah!” and they made him king!

    And so it came to pass that employers, facing spiraling costs and
    ever-higher taxes, raised their prices and laid off workers. Others
    simply gave up and went out of business and the economy sank like unto
    a rock dropped from a cliff.
    The bank banking industry was destroyed. Manufacturing slowed to a
    crawl. And more of the people were without a means of support.

    Then “The One” said, “I am the “the One”- The Messiah – and I’m here
    to save you! We shall just print more money so everyone will have
    enough!” But our foreign trading partners said unto Him. “Wait a
    minute. Your dollar is not worth a pile of camel dung! You will have
    to pay more… And “The One” said, “Wait a minute. That is
    unfair!!” And the world said, “Neither are these other idiotic
    programs you have embraced. Lo, you have become a Socialist state and
    a second-rate power. Now you shall play by our rules!”

    And the people cried out, “Alas, alas!! What have we done?” But yea
    verily, it was too late. The people set upon The One and spat upon
    him and stoned him, and his name was dung. And the once mighty nation
    was no more; and the once proud people were without sustenance or
    shelter or hope. And the Change “The One” had given them was as like
    unto a poison that had destroyed them and like a whirlwind that
    consumed all that they had built.

    And the people beat their chests in despair and cried out in anguish,
    “give us back our nation and our pride and our hope!!” But it was too
    late, and their homeland was no more.

    • http://private Dave Willis

      Good day Motov,
      Oh deary deary me, where did it all go wrong and continues so to the planned or imagined type cliff edge.
      Such a mighty nation, has it all come down Lenins logic, eg, a mass of usefull idiots bowing to the individuals that engineered the situation, or, is that spark of past strengths of character about to surface and right the wrongs?.

      As primarilly a Christian nation, well imbued at childhood with all of those “thou shalt nots”, you know, The Ten Commandments and the teachings of Jesus Christ from the Christian Bible, bound in lifes walk by those rules/instructions/guides (RIGs) for that long tough
      narrow roads journey.

      No matter the varying religious faiths and whether any of these RIGs formed a part of them, too many of us at some point looked for a easier walk and within same, the start of abandoning the ” thou shalt nots”.

      As a analogy, where I live there is a very old term for a course of action to be taken, called “maak a plan”, to do something in a not so good a fashion/quality, eg, it will do for now. I have seen the results of some such plans that were initiated several years earlier and, although barely still in place, still functioning but only just and poorly so, if completed in a quality fashion they would still be performing very well. There in lies the abandonment of the “thou shalt
      nots” such that I personally believe to be the foundation of my own morality, a word that as never before, become just a relative term.

      If only those RIGs were being abided by in these modern times, our failure/s of them are the root cause of the state where the world
      is presently in. Will the world ever return to abiding by these RIGs, if it wants to be made acceptable, that long hard narrow road will eventually have to be the foundation of our lifes walk.



  • http://facebook marcia

    The “Progressive” movement “Forward” is nothing less than a Marxist agenda for total population control. And when I say total population…That excludes the ultra wealthy and the Political powers. Total as in the general, un-necessary, peoples; those that annoy, ask the difficult questions, those who don’t produce the ‘right’ interests of the Special People in power. We are the expendable…those whom the Elite feel the need to control; that is, to get out of their way.

  • AlNewman

    I think you all may find this interesting. The Cloward – Pivens Strategy was written by two professors at Columbia University back in 1968. Co-author Frances Fox – Pivens is one of Obamas top advisors.

    Manufactured Crisis and the Cloward Pivens Strategy:

    The next 2 links are speeches from 1958 and, I think, 1974. Enjoy:

    In 1958 Robert Welch predicting plans to destroy America:

    Wow, how did he know the future? His first speech is back in 1958:

    Can’t wait to hear the communist appeasers’ responses!


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