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Conservatives Call Out Michael Steele On His Refusal To Endorse Ex-gays

April 30, 2010 by  

Conservatives call out Michael Steele on his refusal to endorse ex-gays Conservative groups that fight against overturning the "don’t ask, don’t tell" policy also frequently share stories of ex-gays who have found the way to socially acceptable lifestyles. Recently, some of those activists have taken Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Michael Steele to task for failing to meet with members of the ex-gay community.

The group, called Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays (PFOX), quoted an interview Steele gave to Gentleman’s Quarterly in which he allegedly said he doubted that ex-gays exist. Since then, despite PFOX efforts, Steele has refused to meet with ex-gays and hear about stories of individual change, despite the fact that one of his predecessors, Ed Gillespie, held such meetings.

"It’s no wonder the RNC continues to lose factions of its members, such as Tea Party conservatives," said Christopher Doyle, a PFOX board member. "Steele would be better off if he extended ex-gays a place at the table rather than paying his staff to watch lesbians dance on it at strip clubs."

Meanwhile, in the sign that the fight over "don’t ask, don’t tell" is heating up, Family Research Council and the Alliance Defense Fund representatives held a news conference on April 28 to announce the release of a letter to President Obama and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, signed by more than 40 retired military chaplains.

The letter addresses the chaplains’ religious liberty concerns against what it calls "the practice of open homosexual behavior in the military."ADNFCR-1961-ID-19748503-ADNFCR

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  • Chaos Factor

    I’m not suprised…Steele’s a hypocrite…maybe they should hold more meetings at strip clubs…

    • angel-wanna-be

      CFACTOR, I don’t get the whys of going public about our sexual preference

      • angel-wanna-be

        CF, those of us that are hetero, don’t feel the need to howl at the top of our lungs that we are heterosexual. It sounds as if the gays merely want attention. What does being gay have to do with politics anyway?__The reason I think it’s wrong Gays are in the Military, is because, if they have a lover in the same platoon, that’s going to be a distraction. Same as it would if a husband and wife were in the same platoon. Being Gay is a choice. God doesn’t make mistakes. We’re born the gender we’re suppose to be, tough beans if some folks don’t like it.

        • Chuck

          angel-wanna-be

          The Ex-Gay movement is not about trying to “howl” that they are hetero anymore than Alcoholics Anonymous is about “howling” that you are sober. Most of the people who leave the gay lifestyle actually try to start fresh and get on with a normal life. But just as some former alcoholics choose to try to help others escape the chemical addiction to alcohol, some former homosexuals work very hard at trying to offer a means of escape from the psychological addiction to homosexuality. And the pro-gay activist are doing everything that they can to silence that message. It is the greatest threat to their agenda which includes the teaching of pro-gay propaganda in the public school system.

          • angel-wanna-be

            Chuck, well said!

          • angel-wanna-be

            I’ll tell ya what Chuck, it’s good thing my kids are 27 and 30, because If I found out, they were teaching alternative lifestyles to our kids when they were in school, there would have been hell to pay. Not enough people are involved in the schooling of their kids. I was___heres Just an exmaple of what happens when it seems your overly involved, my husband and I took our kids outta school. One time it was for one day, the next week it was, for two days. I neglected to sign the PERMISSION papers for the next two days. We didn’t use baby sitters, they went when we did. A week later I recieved a noticed from the Administration telling me, that I took MY CHILDREN OUT OF SCHOOL UNLAWFULLY!, that I could get up to ten days in jail. I marched my azz up to school and confronted our two timing DUI superintendent and profoundly told him, when you pay my taxes and care for my children, and stop getting DUI’s on school time, I might listen, otherwise it’d be wise to mind your own business, that if you persue this, this school district will see the biggest lawsuit you’ve ever seen. I asked him, if what i said was clear?___It was dropped!

          • DaveH

            Good for you, Angel.
            We need to give it back to the Government Bullies as often as possible. Otherwise they get used to treating us like scum and do even more.

        • American Liberal

          Angel wanna… You need to ask the conservatives attacking Michael Steele…did you even read the artical?

          • Chuck

            True conservatives hold our leaders to a much higher standard than liberals. One of the best political cartoons that I have ever seen was of an elephant and a mule running the hurtles on a track. They were trying to clear two different hurtles labeled moral expectations. The one for the mule was set at about 6 inches and the one for the elephant was set at about 10 feet. When the elephant almost but doesn’t quite clear his hurtle and the mule clears his with ease, the mule shouts, “HYPOCRITE” at the elephant. Humorous, but oh so true. Liberals don’t appear to expect any integrity from their leaders while Conservatives demand it of ours.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Chuck,

            Excellent post!

          • angel-wanna-be

            Your right Chuck, we Conservatives, do hold our leaders in higher reagrds & respectability than the Libs. But I will admit, through the years, ALL politicians, can be bought, if the price is right. We need to change that. If we’re gonna clean up America’s corruption, our politicians need to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear and take care of the task at hand, which is Keeping America and her people, safe and free from harm. Keeping her a place where families can prosper. And to stop spoon feeding Government, every last damn nickle we earn. I don’t mind paying my share, but the tax and regulation addicts IN WASHINGTON are OUT-OF-CONTROL, if it doesn’t STOP, like Rome, America will fall,
            REMEMBER NOVEMBER!!!___GOD BLESS

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Fed up Gal,
            We need to ask ourselves and them if they serve us or do we serve them and it damn well better not be we them!!! they and their office are at OUR beck and call and they better not dismiss us or we will vote them OUT from NOW ON!!! This is the way it has to be for our great nation to survive!!!

      • Doc Sarvis

        If they stay quiet they will not get the rights they deserve.

        • angel-wanna-be

          DS, no one desrves ANYTHING FRIEND, ya earn it!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Okay then, the rights they earn.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          If they are given any different rights than I have, that would put them into a special category. As far as I know the rights issue was satisfied years ago. What rights are you talking about?

          • Doc Sarvis

            Homosexuals should be able to get married in the eyes of the law and have legal access to various benefits offered to married hetrosexual couples including filing joint tax returns, access to spousal health care benefits, access to adopt children, and more.

          • DaveH

            Doc,
            I agree that they should be able to do what they want with their own lives, but we don’t need laws for that. If there are any existing laws preventing them from getting married, then those should simply be repealed. We need less Government, not more.

      • http://none Merl

        The medical profession has been aware for years about why there are “gays”. It is due to the peniael gland. In men if it’s smaller that person will be efeminate, if larger in women it will be more masuline.

        What we are is dictated by our creator…It is my belief that they are created as one way to reduce population…if it wont work they will be starved to death by lack of food. Which would you prefer?

      • Bud

        angel-wanna-be says:
        April 30, 2010 at 6:55 am
        “CFACTOR, I don’t get the whys of going public about our sexual preference”
        ————————————-
        Really? Our culture is a constant bombardment of heterosexuals “going public about our sexual preference.”

        Ever notice family photos on co-workers’ desks?
        Ever notice all the wedding rings?
        Ever notice all the engagement/wedding/anniversary announcement pages in newspapers?
        Ever notice all the commercials/advertisements which feature male/female couples?
        Ever notice females’ constant references to their boyfriends or husbands?
        Ever notice males’ constant references to their wives
        or girlfriends?
        And I could go on and on.

        Many people are unaware that we are frequently speaking of two different things. Homosexual behavior does not necessarily indicate homosexual orientation. (I doubt all those soldiers and sailors with whom I had sex over the years were actually homosexuals.) Many young men who engage in gay sexual activity at one time or another, or for a period of time, are not actually gay. Thus, when they follow their actual, natural orientation and begin relationships with females they are not actually “ex-gay.”

        By the same token, someone who no longer engages in gay sex has not miraculously become heterosexual. I have not engaged in gay sex for a number of years; however, I am still gay.

        When those who howl and yammer about the Bible’s proscriptions on this subject begin to also obey the Bible about eating shellfish, eating pork, wearing clothing of mixed fibers, and sell their daughters into slavery in foreign countries, etc., etc., then I will be convinced that they are really and truly sincere about following the Bible.

        Until then, shut up and quit trying to keep gays as second-class citizens.

        • crystal.glass

          Get use to natural behavior.

        • angel-wanna-be

          Hey Bud, Go Pound some Sand Son___SHUT UP INDEED!!!!

        • Claire

          Bud–The way I interpret your message is that being gay is a choice, in fact, I always believed it was a choice. I do not want to hear about your personal life involving gay sex. If you are gay, that is your business, I don’t want to hear about your sexual activity and don’t share your twisted ideology with me. You resent gays being treated like second-class citizens? I don’t go around flaunting my personal sexual activities. That is my personal life and I do not have the “need” to advertize to the world. And don’t tell me to shut up, I have a right to my opinion and I will sure as heck express it.

          • libertytrain

            Claire – Go girl, I’m cheering you on.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Claire,

            You’re right Claire. Just as some believe they desire a homosexual partner, those of us who don’t condone a homosexual lifestyle have a right to our belief whether they like it or not.

            It seems that for some people, they are not happy until they’ve emotionally black-mailed or manipulated all of society into thinking and sometimes acting just like them.

            Personally, although I don’t condone the homosexual lifestyle, I can still accept them as human beings and sometimes friends….because it will be God…not me they will need to answer to.

        • angel-wanna-be

          Bud
          I’d like to remind you who’s responsible for giving YOU the right AND THE FREEDOM, TO ACT LIKE AN AZZH*LE!, They are OUR FOUNDERS, THE CONSTISITUTION AND ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN, WHO DIE AND HAVE DEFENDING THE UNITED STATES FREEDOM.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            angel,
            i hate to correct you, but those brave men and women were responsible for guaranteeing that we keep those rights. God himself GTave us those rights!!! Man didn’t!

  • Jeff in OH

    If they were really reformed gays (if there is such a thing) They wouldn’t be waving a banner saying Look Here I was gay and now everybody’s against me. Woo, poor me, people just don’t understand the pain I’m in from being none gay, Now they should make laws protecting the once gay club. What a JOKE!!

    • Chuck

      Jeff,

      There are a great number of men and women in this country who lived the “gay lifestyle” for many years who have overcome the inner conflicts that caused them to think that they had no choice but live that way. Many of them, when they find mental and spiritual healing prefer to just get on with living a healthy lifestyle. But a few choose to try to carry the message that there is hope for change. And when they do, they are attacked by the militant homosexual activist portion of the gay community.

      This is the hypocritical group that screams “intolerance” at the Christian’s while being the most intolerant of all. The homosexual activist use terrorist methods to attack any church or organization that trys to have members of the ex-gay community speak. They picket, protest, and even burst their way into church services and throw used condoms and body waste at anyone in attendance. You can watch examples of this on youtube.

      For years, I have heard gay people cry “homophobe.” But it appears that the gays are the real phobics here. They are afraid to admit that they have a choice. After all, as long as they can claim that sexuality isn’t changable. And if they have no choice, then they think they deserve to be accepted as normal. That is why they are so threatened by people who have been sucessful at overcoming

      I know that this is true because many of my closest friends have struggled with homosexuality until they overcame it. Several of them were so unhappy with their lives that they had to use drugs and alcohol to medicate themselves enough to live with themselves. And some even attempted suicide, thinking there was no escape from the depression and self loathing that this lifestyle causes. (These are their words, not mine.) And, although some of them fall off the wagon a few times before they reach their goal, the ones who overcome the pull of homosexuality find inner peace and happiness. It’s really similar to watching a recovering alcoholic or drug addict. My friends who have left homosexuality are some of the most awesome people I have ever known. Some have even married and had children and become role models for others seeking change.

      I would suspect that you are either a part of the homosexual activist community trying to silence any opposition to your viewpoint, or at least someone who has succumb to the tidal wave of pro-gay propaganda out there.

      Respectfully,
      Chuck

  • David

    Let me see if I have this “straight”. Gays can pay taxes and risk their lives protecting the people of our nation (yes, even conservatives), but the people who are protected (almost exclusively conservatives)want to continue the unfair and damaging discrimination against these brave and loyal Americans. Does that about sum it up? Is that the substance of your patriotism?

    Well conservatives, you can fix that problem. Leave your family and kids to near poverty, pick up a weapon,and go stand a post. I understand there are a lot of slots open in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      David,
      I’m a conservative and I served almost seven years active and one in the guard. Out of almost seven years, I spent six years overseas, eighteen months of which was in VietNam!!! I have been a conservative all of my voting life and will die a conservative so don’t make any more stupid remarks about conservatives not serving!!!

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      David,

      I’m a vet and a conservative. So, exactly what was your point?

    • Claire

      David— If a person is a homosexual, that is their choice. However, I do not need to have this fact rammed down my throat every day. Additionally, I do not want to hear about their bedroom antics. And I am fully aware they serve in the military and pay taxes. What I don’t care for is their shenanigans they do in public. If they do not want to be treated like second-class citizens then they shouldn’t act like they are. I have seen numerous “gay” parades and I have to admit they are “over the top.” This is one of the factors that turn people off, it has turned me off, that is for sure. A person is judged by their actions. I think this applies to the issue at hand. I know numerous gay people, and they are decent law abiding citizens. They do not flaunt their sexuality in public. It is up to individual state to allow marriage between the same sex. As far as the other issues, I do not know what will happen. I can see the point of it all, and why the gays want equality, but remember, it is up to the local, state and federal government. Whatever happens, so be it. I simply do not want to hear about their sexual encounters.

  • Right Wing Dave

    “With God nothing is impossible”. It is very disturbing that people continue to have such intense feelings on this subject. I believe it is partly because of the present situation in our government.
    The current administration is not only pro-abortion, it is pro-gay as well. Nothing “equal” about special rights for ONLY them. But I think we have to remember that it is not the “gays” that we hate, it’s what they do. Although it has to be a miracle from God Himself, and I strongly believe that it will never just “go away’, (homosexuality), men or women can CHOOSE to live for and with God and He will enable them to be EX-GAY. We have to love them.

    • Doc Sarvis

      This site is called peronal liberty. Hetrosexuals and Homosexuals should have peronal liberty to live their own lives as long as it does not adversily affect others.

      • JeffH

        Doc Sarvis, I couldn’t agree with you more. Does it really matter if someone is gay or not? Not to me, and it really shouldn’t to anybody else. Leave “don’t ask don’t tell” as it is. If a man or woman partake in an alternative lifestyle, so be it, that is their choice! Isn’t that what everybody wants, to live a life of their choice?
        Sorry folks, some may not approve of gay people, but remember one thing…they probably never had a choice in making that decision.
        And the comment about “ex-gays” is like saying one is an “ex-alcoholic or ex-drug addict”…there is no “ex” in them.

        • angel-wanna-be

          JeffH, My brother was an alcoholic, died at 57. Once a person becomes addicted to anything, they have to realize it and stay away from it.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Homosexuals, like hetrosexuals, may be “addicted” to finding someone they love and care for and want to spend their life with. If that is an addition, we should all be so blessed.

          • angel-wanna-be

            Sorry Doc, I find the thought, of two men in an embrace, with heart bubbles bursting above their heads, a lil’ more than disgusting. There are few things I’d rather not discuss, but this is one of them and for me, there’s nothing more to say on this subject.

          • JLC

            Doc Sarvis — Thus saith the Lord. Leviticus 20:13
            If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death and their blood shall be upon them.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Two for one here:
            angel-wanna-be
            There are a lot of things, the thought of which, anyone of us may find little more than disgusting. So don’t think about those things! It does not mean it is wrong or that it is disgusting to others.

            JLC
            The Bible says a lot of strange things, some of which people cling to and some of which they wish to ignore. Until God says which is which I will go with the essence of God’s word and Jesus work; that is LOVE (not necessarily sex).

          • angel-wanna-be

            JLC, In my Bible it say, if a man lieth with another man, as he lieth with a woman. Personally I don’t care if you to sleep with sheep. I believe what the Good Lord says, if you don’t that’s your choice. I don’t have to see things your way and I don’t, I posted my opinion on here, just like you, like it or not. I don’t change my way of thinking, just to fit in!__Have a great day folks!

          • JLC

            Angel, I get the impression that you misunderstood what I said. My quotation (verbatim) was from the King James version. Yours was identical to the one in my copy of the Douay version, so I assume that that is where you got it. The say exactly the same thing, in slightly words. This IS NOT a reprimand. Dominus vobiscum

          • JLC

            Typo — That should have read “slightly different words.” Mea culpa.

          • angel-wanna-be

            JLC, I APOLOGIZE, I DID GET THE WRONG IMPRESSION.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          JeffH,
          I have a slightly different view of it. Until they can prove beyond a doubt that gays are born that way, and they haven’t, then I choose to think it’s a choice and as a choice they shouldn’t have the same rights as heteros!! I have heard of gays that have had 6 or 7 different partners in a year, does that mean all of them should be able to get benefits from work? Or does it mean we tie up the courts even more and make each one get a divorce before the next can get benefits? you will open up a whole ugly can of worms if we go the way you say.

          • JeffH

            Joe H., I’ve no problem with that thinking. Remember, I’m from California. Lived 25mi NE of SF…so I just learned to not let them bother me, and it didn’t mean that I approved. Just as long as they don’t make a pass at me, that would be a big mistake.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Joe H,
            Good point; since even Monica and Rielle didn’t get work benefits from Bill and John’s employer (US taxpayers)…..well except for the initial “fling” benefit….lol. Seriously though, you do raise a very good point.

      • Chuck

        You just said “Hetrosexuals and Homosexuals should have peronal liberty to live their own lives as long as it does not adversily affect others.” And I would have to agree to a point. If they want to have sexual relations with members of their own sex, I couldn’t care less what they do in their own homes. I’m sorry for them, but that’s their choice.

        But when you want to brainwash our childrening in the public school system into thinking that homosexuality is just a healthy alternative lifestyle. And, when you want to recognize their partnerships by calling it marriage, and then you want to give them the right to adopt children. Then they want to flaunt their perversion by having so called, “Gay Pride” parades, where they march and dance naked or nearly naked in public while copulating in the streets like dogs in heat, they are affecting others.

        • Doc Sarvis

          There are a lot of times/places where “heterosexual pride” affects others. Check out parks, college campuses, bars, sporting events, etc.

      • mtngem98

        Thank You Doc, it’s the first sensible thing said here so far!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          mtngem98,

          While Doc Sarvis’s comment was accurate….it would appear you’ve have not read many of the posts here. Just because others’ don’t agree with the gay lifestyle does not mean their opinions are not valid.

      • DaveH

        Doc,
        Don’t tell anybody, but I agree with your comment.

  • angel-wanna-be

    Ex-gay is the key here, besides if I was Gay, and now I’m not, why is it anyone else’s business, including the republican party, why should steele care?
    God says love the person, hate the behavior.

  • JPW-

    Someone needs to tell the chaplains our Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard are military organizations not sex clubs.Have’nt heard about a lot of open homosexual or heterosexual activity in the military.Perhaps the conservative groups that have this on their mind so much are watching too much porn.A vast majority of gay bashers actually have homosexual tendencies and in trying to cover it up they strike out at gay’s.People like Larry Craig and Lindsey Graham.

    • angel-wanna-be

      JPW, sounds like your twisting true though/words around, just to be right!

      • JeffH

        angel-wanna-be, just consider the source…just an attempt to further his/her agenda.

    • Bud

      JPW- says:
      April 30, 2010 at 7:03 am
      Have’nt heard about a lot of open … heterosexual activity in the military.
      ————————————————

      Really? Then why do we have maternity wards in military hospitals along with all the “family” housing on military bases?

      • libertytrain

        Bud – I have to agree on this one, sad as it is, but I have met many a female soldier, not married, nor was she married prior, that have children.

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Bud / LT,

          Hmmmmmmm….I have to agree, as well. JPW has no clue on this particular subject. Also true, that just like in the “real” world…many young military (men and women) get married way to young…have little or no life skills to handle financial and other family responsibilities, and sadly many end up divorced and remarried a number of times.

          A bit if military history here; 1st Sgt’s, Commanders, etc….used to require the junior-grade military get their permission before getting married. Now for the humor: I guess it’s different now, since even the military now have at least some rights :-).

          • libertytrain

            You’re right – they certainly have rights – a couple of the women I’m talking about were officers – that kind of surprised me – and wasn’t there a stink a few months back about disciplining these female soldiers – however, I think someone must be doing their part in getting them pregnant -

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Libertytrain,
            i think that was due to the females in question getting pregnant on purpose so they wouldn’t have to deploy!! While I understand them being scared, I don’t understand them enlisting in the first place!! They didn’t hesitate when the service paid for their education, why did they let their comrades down and try to get out of supporting them!!

          • libertytrain

            Joe – You are correct however, once you have a baby, you only have three months and then you will still deploy– if your unit is deploying that is. And I don’t get it either – I don’t think it’s about being scared as much as it might be other reasons – like they’re in a relationship or any number of things. It’s tough to be deployed – there are a lot of “Dear John or Dear Joan” letters these days just like the other wars.

    • DaveH

      JPW,
      I don’t know about the “vast majority”, but I do think you have a point there. When in fear of anything, people do tend to vocalize that subject matter more than those who aren’t afraid.

      I agree with those who say the gays should be left alone to live their lives as they see fit. But there also should be no laws giving them special (unequal) protections. That is the problem and the gay bashers should focus on that aspect of the issue instead of being distracted on the hows and whys of the gay life choices.

      Angel said it is a disgusting thing, and I agree with that, but there are disgusting things we do several times everyday. Should there be laws against that?

      Until both sides start respecting each others Freedom and Property, we are going to have endless turmoil which Government will happily pretend to rescue us from.

      Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution.

  • Ken Stout

    HI People,

    I really love this website with Bob Livingston except for one thing.
    I am a independent liberal thinking person, who doesn’t like government power or control as much as a conservatie thinking person. Why is it I get all these right wing minded people wanting to control people’s faith and religion beliefs? It really doesn’t make sense, I did give a rats ass what religion or values people think as long they don’t force on me. Why can’t people worry about their own damn religion and thier own practice of beliefs at home. Let people that are gay, be gay . You cannot force a gay , lesbian , transgender or biosexual person to change, they are born that way. Do you think they enjoy this? Do you think they really want to be in a world of racist people because you are gay? Hell No. Unfortunately, being gay is not a SIN, God made everybody different and unique and special and if you can’t believe in your God being able to be unique like that than your God is not a Just God. I find this Arizona Law APPAULING! It is not a law to solve immigration it is a law to descrimnate against people with Brown skin. I have brown skin but I am considered White but my mother is Asian and my father White, but if I go to Arizona I will be just considered BROWN Mexican looking because the police won’t figure out what I am. So now I have to bring my Birth Papers as a US Citizen like showing papers in Nazi Germany during the 30′s and 40′s. Are we now becoming NAZI GERMANY! Now you have to have One skin color, and one religion! Bull Shit. I love this country I am appauled with both Democrats and Republicans both, who have been purchased by Corporate greed. We don’t live in a Socialist or Democratic country, we live in a Facist corporate controlled country. For all you conservative right wing people, this President is not a Socialists for the people, he is a Corporate Socialists for the Greedy Banks, Pharma , War, Drugs and Healthcare industries. People open your eyes and look at the real problem in the United States, it isn’t Abortion or Religion issues that are the problem in our great country!
    It is the politicians that have sold their souls to the corporate greed devils who are creating this illusion so they can dumb down every American . We people have huge power if we would get off our asses from watching American Idol and just fight for our rights.
    Obama is just continuing the same old policies as Bush. Bush was the worst President in history! How many presidents put us in Two costly Wars, give away our Rights and Privacy, and gave away our money to all the Bankers?
    So Obama , a great communicator, a smart man, is far worse than Bush because he is so much more convincing to the American people. So right wing people I agree with many of your issues, but please smell the roses, their more important tragic issues in this country than worrying about Gays!

    • American Liberal

      Ken, I respect your opinion.. And agree with you for the most part… I’m giving President Obama a free pass on his first term and when were in our 4 year of his presidency I’ll make up my mind on how he’s leading our country… So far I believe he’s done as well as can be done concidering the amount of Damage the Bush administration did to our country…my biggest complaint is that after seeing that the republicans only agenda is that Obama fails is that he’s still willing ( trying )to work with the republicans… These people would gladly watch this country fail so they can blame president Obama and regain the government… These aren’t Americans and I see little diffrence in Al Qaeda and the rightwing…especially rightwing Christians..very hateful vile people

      • http://?? Joe H.

        YADDA, YADDA, Blame Bush! YADDA, YADDA, YADDA!!!!

      • Al Sieber

        Amer. Lib., I doubt Obama will last another 4-years unless he becomes dictator for life. I agree with you about the Christian right, actually they’re Christian “Zionists”. as far as the oil drilling goes, accidents do happen, like mining, etc. and ole” (global warming Al Gore) has strong ties to oil giant Occidental petroleum. check it out! so, what’s you’re point, no mining or oil exploration or logging, these industries built America, not dot com. stocks. grow up!!!!

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Ken… You have a right to your opinion, but my opinion is that you are wrong! God word says it is a sin. People are not born ‘that way’. It is a choice. I will never say God is wrong. It is His standards that we should try to live by. It’s not easy to be Christian. The world pulls on all of us. We just have to be strong and do what is right!

      • angel-wanna-be

        Robin from arcadia, you are so right. Being a Christian doesn’t make us perfect, it means we have the Holy Ghost for guidence. We still have our crosses to bear.

        • angel-wanna-be

          Robin, your also right about what god says about homosexuality, in Gods eyes it is detestable.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Here we go again; Not in my God’s eyes.

          • JLC

            Doc Sarvis, I should have put my earlier post here!

          • Doc Sarvis

            JLC
            Ah, and my reply as well.

          • JLC

            Doc Sarvis, Apparently you and I do not worship the same God, which is odd, since there is only one. Or, is that another of the “strange things” that the Bible says?

          • Doc Sarvis

            JLC
            Well I may not have the wording exactly but wasn’t there something about; Thou shall have no other God before me? That implies to me that there are other Gods. That is not necessarily what I believe but it seems like food for thought.

          • JLC

            That is the First Commandment: I AM the Lord, thy god. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. The reference “Other gods” is to idols, for which (so I have been told) there was no word in ancient Hebrew.

          • Doc Sarvis

            JLC
            Idol – (from my American Heritage Dictionary) “1. an image used as an object of worship”. So God = Idol?

          • Doc Sarvis

            It says what I quoted above and here again; “an image used as an object of worship”.

        • JLC

          Doc Sarvis — God = idol? Not at all. Idol = a poor imitation of God!

          • Doc Sarvis

            As I noted; that is what my dictionary says.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Doc,
            I doubt your dictionary says idol=God!!!!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            JLC,

            Excellent response! Thank you.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Joe H,

            What a come-back! You said it….and I love it!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Fed up gal,
            Thank ya’ kindly maam!!!!

          • Doc Sarvis

            As I said in my previous post and again here; the quote from the dictionary was “an image used as an object of worship”.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Doc Sarvis,
            that in no way implies that it is a god. man has worshipped gold and riches for time un-named. that does not mean it is a god, it just means they love it or they lust for it!!!

      • Bud

        Robin from Arcadia, IN says:
        April 30, 2010 at 9:11 am
        God word says it is a sin. People are not born ‘that way’.
        ——————————————-

        Lots of other things, which Christians today conveniently ignore, are also mentioned in the Bible as sins. And yes, Robin, people ARE both ‘that way.’
        You are simply wrong.

    • Al Sieber

      Ken Stout,the bill that was recently passed in Ariz. is legal. the 10th amendment gives the states the right to enforce laws not listed in the constitution. these (federal) laws were already in effect, but not enforced. I suggest you read the bill, sb.1070, its only 8-pages long. as I write this post, I’m hearing on the news that a sheriff’s deputy was just shot by illegal aliens, in the desert south of Phoenix and the rescue helicopter was taking gun fire. this is why we need this law. got any questions? and Ken, if you come here to Ariz. all the I.D. you need is a drivers license.

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      Ken Stout,

      Hard to take your comments seriously, because it seems as if you might even be a bit confused about your own beliefs.

      It’s getting quite tiring, hearing the Left complain that Christians are trying to force their beliefs on others. It seems many on the Left…simply want Christians to move into the closet. Why do you think it more acceptable to silence Christians, yet allowing every other group’s voices be heard?

      Personally, I am not going anywhere, so if that doesn’t sit well with you or others of like thought….guess you’ll just have to deal with it…like we’re having to do. Afterall, you won’t need my blessing to make it into heaven….and I won’t need yours’. Although…I will still pray for you.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Fed up gal,
        Well said Gal well said!!!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Thanks Joe H; you know I always aim to please :-).

  • briarcavendish

    (comment removed for offensive content)

    • angel-wanna-be

      Briarcavandish___Boy o boy, I think you need an exorcism!

  • http://aol.com Pathfinder

    It is time to put the RINO party out of its misery. We need a new second party that will stand on conservative principles. We don’t need a phony second party that is an echo of the democrats. I know not what course others may take but as for me VOTE LIBERTARIAN !!!

  • http://gmail i41

    (Offensive words removed) Of course the is the socialist democrat mantra, Orumpranger wants to have more of a welfare country, ride on somebody’s behind for thheir dime!!!!

  • Chaos Factor

    Read the post from the rightwing … Christian Taliban…. Then they claim morality…. Moralitys a state of being… Not a post on a rightwing blog… These same phoney Christians are the same people who thought Bushs sexual torture of prisoners was wonderful… They thought the killing of 100′s of thousands of Iraqi civilians was just fine,, onward Christians soldiers , they thought the outting of an American CIA agent was ok, as long as it was Christian neo conservatives doing the outting…the Christian right are nothing but racist, bigots …this countrys biggest threat to freedom is the Christian right.. The opposition to abortion is as big an act as the new support for immigration laws .. When they had the government they choose to ignore immigration and abortion…same with the trials of terrorist … They just pushed all these issues down the road for the next administration to deal with and then they have the gall to complain about every decision president Obama makes….he’s gonna be our president till 2016..deal with it…

    • Bud

      Chaos Factor says:
      April 30, 2010 at 8:31 am
      These same phoney Christians are the same people who thought Bushs sexual torture of prisoners was wonderful… They thought the killing of 100’s of thousands of Iraqi civilians was just fine,, onward Christians soldiers , they thought the outting of an American CIA agent was ok, as long as it was Christian neo conservatives doing the outting…
      ——————————————-
      Wow, you people are really nuts. Once liberal insanity gets implanted where your brains should be it’s impossible for any truth to penetrate!
      When did Bush commit “sexual torture” of anyone?
      No one I know of ever thought that “killing…100′s of thousands of Iraqi civilians was just fine.”
      And since when was Richard Armitage a “Christian neo conservative”? He was an underling of Colin Powell in Foggy Bottom, and I’ve never heard him described that way.

  • American Liberal

    A lot of these republican Christian fakes are just like Ted Haggard… Closet homosexuals…they scream about immoral other people are while leading immoral lives themselves… What’s that Bible verse( which I don’t believe in)… Let those without sin cast the first stone?…you fakes don’t even abide by your own book and commandments ..how many of these Tv Christians have been exposed as immoral ?.. Most of them… It’s always those that claim the moral highground that are the most immoral…

    • http://?? Joe H.

      amlib,
      when are you going to answer Buds question? You know, the one about Bush sexually torturing the prisoners?? Or are you full of fecal matter???

  • American Liberal

    Ted Haggard was a huge crusader aginst Gay rights…. And all the time he was aginst Gay rights he was hiring Gay escorts, having Gay sex and using hardcore drugs… All paid for by the Christian right… The biggest hypocrites on the planet..

    • http://?? Joe H.

      amalib,
      Are YOU a closet gay perhaps???

      • http://?? Joe H.

        with the silence and crickets chirping, my guess would be yes!!!

  • Laocoon

    The smart thing for Steele to do is leave the gay thing alone. In fact, the Republicans should drop it and abortion as issues. It’s been the party’s clinging to these unimportant sideshow issues that has hurt the country. If the Republican party really wants to help America, they can’t confuse the anti-Obama-Reid-Pelosi sediment as being anti-abortion or anti-gay.

    When the political winds start to blow back in the Republicans favor, they assume too much and loose it. The platform should be resorting the government to the people and fiscal responsibility. Leave the other things out.

    If you want to talk about an opinion on gays or abortion, do it in church.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    If we can believe the bible, and we better, America is about to receive the two-witnesses to punish Israel for 3 1/2 years(Jacob’s trouble)! It has nothing to do about politics! It’s about evil and America! You know, calling evil good and good evil! Watch!

    • American Liberal

      Victor… Your not drinking again are you?

      • coal miner

        american Lib,

        He not drinking again,he is plain nuts.

  • chuck b

    american lib

    that sounds like bill clinton

  • American Liberal

    How come you neo conservative domestic terrorist aren’t chanting ” Drill Baby Drill ” ?… I thought you said offshore drilling was safe?..I’m not suprised , you’re never right about anything…to you this disaster in the gulf is just the price of doing business…this isn’t just a little spill..this is a disaster ..

    • Bud

      Lib,
      What will be the bigger disaster is when you can’t buy any gasoline for your vehicle, and when you can’t get any electricity for your domicile. All you libs who are so against getting any kind of energy (and, yeah, it is dangerous, etc.—no one I know of ever said it wasn’t) should be the first ones who should be cut off from whatever supplies are available.

    • JLC

      AL, what does that have to do with “gays?” When I was in the Service, we had another name for them but it is not sociably acceptable

      • JeffH

        JLC, please understand that Am Lib and his ilk have no intention of participating with logic. To him and some others, it’s just about “upsetting the applecart”…nothing more. When the folks quit replying to the stupidity, he’ll go away.

        • JLC

          JeffH — think that you should be appointed the official moderator of this forum. You are pretty good at smoothing out scorched tempers.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JLC,
            Libertytrain does a pretty good job as well!

          • JLC

            Joe H — So I have noticed.

          • JeffH

            JLC, I’ve had more than one day in the sun…I’ve been through the ringer on this site and can get just as bad as anyone. I’ve made some adjustments, good, bad or indifferent. There are quite a few that do the same thing. I’m not always a saint but I can also recognize a rat.

    • s c

      AmLibdude, you’re off-topic – again. Using your peculiar brand of non-logic, America is morally obligated to shut down Detroit. If safety is a major concern with you and your chums, then Detroit MUST be seen as EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. How many people die on oil rigs every year?
      Here comes the slider, guy. Here’s where your non-logic leaves you with your pants down around your ankles every time you flap your mouth. HOW MANY PEOPLE DIE EVERY YEAR ON AMERICAN ROADS AND HIGHWAYS? AHA!
      Einstein, come prepared when you start whizzing and moaning on this website. I’d LOVE to hear you make Detroit’s union yahoos understand why THEY have to lose their JOBS because VEHICLES are MORE DANGEROUS than OIL RIGS!
      AND, remember that Obummer BLINKED instead of sending in plenty of HELP when that oil rig blew.
      Your chump-in-chief sure makes GB look like a hands-on, certified, take-charge leader.

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        sc,

        Great response! You make me proud to be one of your Personal Liberty friends :-).

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      Am Lib,

      So…using your analogy….guess fire and police personnel, astronauts, airline pilots, etc., should just stop working in those fields….after all, they are some of the most dangerous careers, as this relates to their own [and others’] safety. Let’s not leave out doctors and nurses….after all they might get stuck with a “dirty” needle and become infected with someone else’s behavior. Oh yeah…and all Christians better just convert to non-Christianity….since that seems to be very quickly becoming the most safety-endangered position to hold.

      So sad about the current educational and societal dumbed-downess that has brought you to this level, Am Lib; Good grief, get a grip!

    • angel-wanna-be

      AM LIB, Ya know LIB, I would expect you to jump on the fact of the oil rig explosion, I have my theories of that, and the mining mishaps. Way too much coincidence????_ Now, I would assume if one of our CLEAN electric creating turbines, would suddenly come loose, and take a out a few employees, you Libs wouldn’t consider it a hazard, you would consider it an accident. How about these handy dandy, lil’ smart cars that are no bigger than a frigging minute. If anyone gets broadsided in one of those at 55mph, they’re not going to live to talk about it. They’ll have to install a black box, to find out the truths. ___Life, ALL of it, is a risk friend!__ no matter what you do. Some people live crossing the street, some don’t. Some people die in their sleep, most wake the next morning. A friend and our hair stylist, was a parachutist for more than 35 years. He stopped jumping the day he, and a local TV personality, Jim O’Brien from channel 6 action news, were jumping, and Jim fell to his death after his chute became entangled. Our friend tried to get Jim to cut away and ride down with him, but he refused, because he knew the odds were against two people landing on one chute.__EVERYTHING we do is a risk. We either do it, or live in a world of total paranoia.

  • ONTIME

    I find this argument a bit hard to believe since it makes no difference to most as to what your sexual proclivity is as long as you don’t try and hound some one else about it.

    Michael Steele needs to speak up on his stance on immigration and the illegal issue, he has a tendency to avoid this issue and it may indicate his closet RINO feelings.

  • chuck b

    amer lib

    your muslim chief has made it worse by ignoring the problem, something like “katrina” remember what you marxist were blaming bush for!!! or was he hoping this would be a disaster so he could stop the offshore drilling. either way he’s a loser like the rest of the demo communist party.

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      Chuck B,

      I grew up in La; had and still have relatives and some friends in N.O. and surrounding areas. The far left enjoys blasting Bush for not (in their minds) moving quickly enough to help. I believe the mayor of N.O. (Nagin), Senator Landrieu, and the then governor (Blanco) were most culpable. They continued the fostered environment of a “welfare” state for their citizens over ensuring their infrastructure could be sured up; then thanks to ACORN Nagin retained his throne.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Fed Up Gal,
        What the progressives don’t remember to state is that under posse commitas law, Bush could not send troops into New Orleans without the request from the govornor of the state! He was Damned if he did and was damned if he didn’t. If he had, the progressives would have had a field day impeaching him, when he didn’t, they crucified him in the press!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Good point, Joe H. Of course, those progressives would also say there’s conflicting information out there as to “if” Blanco did request Federal assistance and if so…”when”.

          From my point of view (having grown up and lived in La for 20 years), I would side with Bush’s actions over anything coming out of the mouths of the 3-Stooges in charge at the time. I’m sure I’ll receive some dissenting opinions on this, but I believe much of the problem lies in the welfare “state” of this particular state. Let me try to as briefly as possible, explain my thoughts on this:

          I’ve mentioned this before and I’ll just say again….not all, but many who could not get out of New Orleans in time, claim it was because they had no transportation to leave. Many had (and still do not have) transportation, because they’ve made other financial choices over time that may have prevented them from purchasing a vehicle. Others may have made a choice to ride public transportation (understandable). Even a relative of mine sat on her butt until the very last minute, then tried to go and fill up her car with gas to leave….only to find….the gas lines were too long (obviously others had the same game plan).

          Granted, we should never simply “just” allow our fellow [state] neighbors to drown, or otherwise suffer needlessly. However, it is also not reasonable thought that completely glazes over the personal accountability [or lack thereof] of individual citizens and that of their local elected officials…which raises another question. If the real issue was that many had no way out….Why didn’t the 3-Stooges…in concert and very early on….use city, parish, and state employees to drive school and city busses to at least get as many out as possible?

          The relative I referenced above was a La National Guard member at that time. It just so happened that while I was speaking to her by phone (at least a couple of days prior to Katrina making landfall). While we were talking, she received a call-waiting interruption and put me on hold for a minute or two; when she returned to our call, she said it was her Guard unit asking if she wanted to volunteer to work the Hurricane Katrina relief (kind of like standby should she be needed). I was shocked that she said “No”, but even more shocked that Governor Blanco did not ORDER all La Guard units to be on standby…especially since there was plenty of notice of the possible impending danger to the area (come on now….this ain’t their first rodeo). Instead, they all jumped on the collective bandwagon to lay blame on Bush while trying feverishly to disperse attention away from their own accountability and ultimate failures.

          Well…sorry, but I did try to keep it brief :-).

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Fed Up Gal,
            what got me the worst was seeing all those city busses sitting there on the news slowly filling up with water!!! All those people sitting there helpless and over 100 busses sitting there idle!!!i don’t know about the parrish busses and such as I didn’t see them but I saw a scene on the news of a city bus parkin lot with bus, after bus, after bus, and not a single one being used to rescue those people!!!

        • libertytrain

          Joe H – I’ve used that argument with the left who still don’t understand that Bush could not act without the governor asking first. They absolutely refuse to believe it and of course, would have been the first out there throwing stones at Bush if he had gone against the laws of this Country and gone in without being asked.

  • chuck b

    if the republican party does not remove steele immediately, november may be their waterloo.

  • http://gmail i41

    Lib, it all the envior nut jobs that have stopped drilling on land, one of your heroes, Head in the Clouds Gore owns a oil company, it keeps his profits high by limiting supply. Why are you socialist morons stopping oil drilling on land, it isn’t around any populated areas, alot of private land has oil and gas. As long as envios and liberal democrats would rather follow the muslim, bow, scrape and send them money and do nothing but sit,have dreams about fairy dust and living on sweet dreams. We will have China taking over our oil and the country, since China is drilling only 90 miles off of our shores. If the US socialist muslim prez, and follow the loon, democrat feel good, congress has its way. Name one damn social democrat President that had ever wanted the USA to go it alone, wheather it is being self suffient, or energy independent, all dems think the USA needs approval of the world to do anything. Tell the dictators, the muslims, and EU to take a flying leap, on the persian carpet, when we light it up. Of course the phony muslim prez would be happy to be the first American dictator, so he and his muslim bros can all be like the mohammed, their hero, and justify pedophile behavior. Omoron really proved what a phoy when the UN let Iran a seat on UN council on women’s issues, never even voiced a concern or even demanded a vote. Never doubted he was a muslim, has no problem with stoning women or letting them be killed by family!

    • American Liberal

      41, were you ever dropped on your head as an infant..?.. Or deprived of Air?

      • Bud

        Lib,
        In your case it was apparently both.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        i41,
        what happens when one of the Chinese platforms blow??? We sure as hell aren’t going to get a penny out of THEM for any ecological damage as we will BP. china will just tell us to kiss the dark side!!!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      i41,
      around here, they’re drilling for gas all over the place. Even fouled a few wells by not following the state minimums. People complain, but I don’t hear ANY of them complaining about their warm homes or the gas for cooking!!!!

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Joe H / JeffH,

        Very well said. I’m proud of my brother who works on a gas platform in the gulf. He and others really pulled more than their load after Katrina hit. Thanks to them….I’m not aware that anyone froze (as a result of the reduced gas production) that winter and we were still able to get to work, albeit more costly to do so. At least there were jobs to go to.

        I once jokingly asked my brother if he could get me a discount on gas…and he said “Are you serious???????? I don’t even get a discount!”….hmmmmmmm…funnny….

  • chuck b

    141

    it wouldn’t surprise me if soros was not in on driving crude oil prices up on the futures market. this was part of destroying our economy and of course the environmental movement is using this tool. they are already planting the seed of high prices due to the oil spill in the gulf. we will probably be looking at 4,00 pg for gas. some of the commie libs posting here will see what greed looks like. abc is planting the seed of shortage at this very moment.

    • JeffH

      The whole worldwide economic disaster that is taking place, the losses of hundreds of billions/trillions????Where is all of this “money” going! It’s not disappearing into thin air and It’s certainly not in the losing countries hidden little piggy banks. Who’s recovering those disappearing pennies? Ask yourself (anybody) that question?

      It is imperitive to cut theses global basterds off in 2010 and end it in 2012. Without the favors of the elected class, America won’t fail to the global monsters or the “New World Order” manipulators.

      Tighten up your belts and screw your wig on tight, ’cause the US will be saved by a man called Dolemite!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        I’m more interested in the timing of the blow out. when Obummer ran for pres, he said very straight forward, No new drilling! then when things are getting a little sticky for his party, he says drill more offshore. Now all of a sudden a couple of weeks later, one of the platforms blows up!!!!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          I forgot my last line. I’m not a firm believer in coincidence!!!

          • JeffH

            Joe H., neither am I…especially these days were in.

        • angel-wanna-be

          jOEh, and two mining mishaps just before, and on top of the the exploding oil rig??___it’s all fossil fuels, the ones they’ve been trying to do away with.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Angel,
            thats just what I’m talking about. What a coincident, huh???

  • chuck b

    amer lib

    isn’t it past your bed time? i think i hear your mommy calling.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      chuck b,
      don’t call her that!!! She doesn’t want anyone to know it!!!

  • juswonderin

    Barack Obama has informed the Senate Foreign Relations Committe that there are 17 treaties he wants pushed thru with the U. N. If these treaties are ratified by the Senate, U.N.Foreign law will replace the U.S. Constitution; the U.N. will have the power to impose global taxes on the American people. The U.N. will take control of oil resources off the American coast. U.N. bureaucrats & international lawyers will even have the authority to tell the U.S. Navy where it’s allowed to go. The Law Of The Sea Treaty will give the U.N. the authority to take over the oceans & waterways. The U.N. will establish the International Criminal Court to try our military for “war crimes.” These treaties are aimed at undermining our Sovereignty and we’re quibbling over the gays, abortion & anything else that will keep America from seeing what’s really being done behind closed doors out of sight & hearing from our “leaders.” As long as they can keep us focused on social issues, they wheel & deal America away. The Elitists wants to push, shove & cram all this crap down our throats like they did with the healthcare. This agenda is much more serious than the social problems we have. We really don’t hear much about all this, but check out this website: http://www.usasurvival.org

  • juswonderin

    The One World Order is coming very quickly & that’s why Pres Obama is rushing as much of his social agenda as possible before he leaves office. Check out the Bilderberg Group, SAIC & http://www.alternet.org/story/1459961

  • David

    Steele is a “token negro”. The republicraps are trying to buy the black vote with a black face rather than truthfully reciting the demoncrap’s history of slavery and opposition to civil rights that the old republicans supported. It is a shameful act of pandering, “pimping out de black man” rather than being truthful and vocal.

    • libertytrain

      David – Have you let Mr. Steele in on that secret?

    • John

      Re-Steele. No way that is true. Matter of fact i am going to change my regristration to independant mostly due to Steele’s beliefs and not the color of his skin nor the reason he was chosen. I live in the south, grew up in a legal segragation type enviorment and even as a chid did not like the seperation my ancestors forced upon us. Having said that let me tell you that the most segragation I ever saw in my life was not in the south but in Pittsburg PA. in the 1950′s. Liberals loke to quote the constitution but seldom apply it to all equally. Example, the border.

  • David

    RE: “UN treaties”; the Constitution is STILL the supreme law of the land. If any other law conflicts, the Constitution dominates, regardless of the parties. Read Cohens V Virgina, 19 U.S. 264 (1821).

    “In a unanimous decision…Marshall argued that state laws and constitutions, when repugnant to the Constitution and federal laws, were “absolutely void.”

    Let this unreasonableness, this total incompatibility, be examined.

    “That the United States form, for many and for most important purposes, a single nation has not yet been denied. In war, we are one people. In making peace, we are one people. In all commercial regulations, we are one and the same people. In [p414] many other respects, the American people are one, and the government, which is alone capable of controlling and managing their interests in all these respects, is the government of the Union. It is their government, and in that character they have no other. America has chosen to be, in many respects, and to many purposes, a nation, and for all these purposes, her government is complete; to all these objects, it is competent. The people have declared that, in the exercise of all powers given for these objects, it is supreme. It can, then, in effecting these objects, legitimately control all individuals or governments within the American territory. The Constitution and laws of a State, so far as they are repugnant to the Constitution and laws of the United States, are absolutely void.”

    if it be repugnant to the Constitution or to a law of the United States. Is it unreasonable that it should also be empowered to decide on the judgment of a State tribunal enforcing such unconstitutional law? Is it so very unreasonable as to furnish a justification for controlling the words of the Constitution?

    (PG 414) (ANY law repugnant to the Constitution is VOID)

    “They give to the Supreme Court appellate jurisdiction in all cases arising under the Constitution, laws, and treaties of the United States. The words are broad enough to comprehend all cases of this description, in whatever Court they may be decided. In expounding them, we may be permitted to take into view those considerations to which Courts have always allowed great weight in the exposition of laws.”

    (Pg 416)(SCOTUS can determine the legality of treaties under the Constitution)

    “The second clause of the sixth article declares that “This Constitution, and the laws of the United States, which shall be made in pursuance thereof, shall be the supreme law of the land.”

    (Pg. 424)

    That about sums it up. “This Constitution, and the laws of the United States…shall be the the supreme law of the land”

    That is because the Constitution was and still is the Supreme law in this nation. The US citizens won’t bow to the UN.

  • John

    Merl; there is not one ounce of truth to a difference in physical or mental makeup between a heterosexual and a homosexual. Homosexuality is a sin and is condemned. It is also as all other sin habitual.(see Sodom of the Bible and Romans 1). That sin is no different than all others as most sinners try and justify their sin by it’s acceptance as normal or due to some physical difference as in the court’s acceptance of brain damage and subsequent acquittal of even murder charges. The lie that the left supports is that they cannot be cured. I personally have a fried who left that lifestyle more than 20 years ago. He is a Christian now and blows the minds of the liberals with fact.

  • http://yahoo Larry

    Exactly, this is why I threw away my presidential vote last election, due to mainstream parties and their “indifferences” There are other choices on the ballot even though the talking heads don’t recognize it.

  • Jack Sifgil

    This site is loaded with the comments of Marxist progressives and communists calling themselves “liberals.”
    Who do you think you are fooling?
    This is another communist site pretending to be patriotic but actually just another group of phony leftists Republicans.
    You are followers of steel, you GOP icon.
    You are stooges of Obama your democrat icon.
    You don’t fool anybody but a few fools and the usual suspects.
    I am spreading the word and your pictures. You are nothing more than Al Frankin clones which means you are political whores.
    Why did you refuse to print briar cavendish’s statements? He has a lot of friends and you are our enemy.

  • http://eternalvaluesministries.com Chaplain Peter

    It is most interesting to read all the comments. When I put a picture of my wife on the desk this is normal, natural, decent. The problem lies with these poor twisted souls.Their minds are always on their perverted sex.I suppose trying to act the gender your not born into takes a lot of mental gymnastics[and physical].In the old testament their are many rebellious acts that carried the death penalty. Sodomy was one of them. Romans chapter 1 closes with those who practice such things are worthy of death; new testament. God has not changed his mind about sin.The reason God is not hunting down sodomites as in the O.T. is because the Lord Jesus has died for their sins.Also in the O.T. witches were to be burnt, adulterers stoned to death.The wages of sin has always been death. The 2nd death is the judgment to the lake of fire. The wrath of almighty God that we deserve was poured on the Lord Jesus Christ on Calvary’s cross. In exchange He declares us righteous when we believe. This is the gift of God.Rom.4:4,5; Eph.2:8,9. The reason God is so hard on sin, whether sodomy or adultery is because it grows, multiplies and kills. Have not 20,000,000 + sodomites died in the last 20yrs. from aids and other related diseases.Adultery may not kill right away. Instead it kills the souls of them involved.So it is with all sin, whether we see physical results or not.When we as Christians say it’s no big deal if someone wants to practice sodomy in private, we miss the whole point. Judgment will surely come upon the land to vomit out it’s inhabitants.These are unchangeable laws of God. Look at what has happened in the sodomite movement the last 20yrs.Marriage is being destroyed,while all sorts of sexual perversions from child molestation to men butchering themselves to be a woman are tolerated. Little children being taught they might be gay in the government schools.The land is full of whoredoms and judgment must surely fall. The Christians must intercede for our nation.The church itself must wake up. his servant, Chaplain Peter

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