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Conservatism In The GOP Is Dead

November 30, 2012 by  

Conservatism In The GOP Is Dead
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As details about the Republican and Democratic negotiations over the impending fiscal cliff continue to come out, some prominent conservatives are saying that they will shun the GOP if Republican lawmakers sign a deal that raises taxes.

Over the Thanksgiving holiday, it became evident that many of the self-proclaimed fiscal conservatives are far more willing to raise taxes than they allowed supporters to believe. Led by neocon standard-bearer Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.), at least six top Republicans renounced previous pledges to never raise taxes. Some of those lawmakers, like Senator Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), Senator-elect Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) and Representative Peter King (R-N.Y.), actually restated their no-tax promises as recently as last month while campaigning for re-election.

Now, as other Republicans consider bending to Democratic wishes with regard to taxes since members of neither party are willing to consider real reforms in the way of social welfare and military spending, some conservative backers are upset.

Conservative activist and Media Research Center founder Brent Bozell says he will steer donors away from the GOP if Republican lawmakers agree to raise taxes. In a letter to Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, Bozell urged the Party to do everything in its power to avoid new taxes.

From the letter: “Reince, it pains me to say this, but if the Republican Party breaks its word to the American people and goes along with President Obama with tax increases, it will have betrayed conservatives for the final time.

“I will make it my mission to ensure that every conservative donor to the Republican Party that I have worked with for the last three decades — and there are many and they have given tens of millions to Republican causes — gives not one penny more to the Republican Party or any member of Congress that votes for tax increases.”

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • Buster the Anatolian

    I could support increasing taxes if and ONLY if any anticipated increase in revenue from the higher taxes is accompnied by a minimum of 5 times greater reduction in the federal budget.

    • Harold Olsen

      Never happen! Any tax increase will be accompanied by an increase in spending, probably the five times you indicate spending should be cut. All liberals do is tax, tax, tax and spend, spend, spend. Usually, what they spend money on are programs they know will not work. If they even think a program will work, they won’t spend a single penny on it. I’ve come to the conclusion that those morons in Washington have some idiot rule that requires them to waste our tax money.

      • Robert Smith

        “Conservative activist and Media Research Center founder Brent Bozell says he will steer donors away from the GOP if Republican lawmakers agree to raise taxes. ”

        Great Job, Mr. Bozell! Cut off your nose to spite your face.

        Rob

      • Bill

        Rob,
        You sir, are theone that needs to get your facts straight. Clinton was held in check by a conservative house and senate that did not approve his budget.

        Although, Clinton is a smart guy, unlike Obama. He saw the writing on the wall and even agreed to a 40% reduction in capital gains tax. Because that is what works, not raising taxes.

        So, here you are talking all high and mighty about how we ought to raise taxes and that Clinton had a surplus when it was lowering taxes and spending less that made Clinton look so good

      • eddie47d

        The roaring economy during the Clinton years would have happened whether there were high taxes or not. The fact that the Tech bubble burst would have happened whether there were high taxes or not.There was a surplus because of the massive sales within the Tech market which brought in billions in more tax revenue. The USA was in an abnormal buying frenzy which eventually came to a halt. The reckless gambling on Wall Street made them billions but also caused eventual ruin. Not much different than in 2007-08.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Eddie-son, two thumbs-up!!!

      • old hillbilly

        It’s way past time to fry these rinos in their own fat. Top of that list is honesty – give your word – violate the promise – & brand them with the word “LIAR”, everywhere they go. No violence or interference or shouting them down… just a little flag with the word “liar” & wave it every time they speak or you see them, all in mindboggling silence!

        False witness is the root of corruption!

    • rendarsmith

      Didn’t Reagan make a deal similar to that with the democratic Congress? They increased taxes on the middle class but then the dems reneged on their agreement and spent more. You can’t trust these leftists. It’s like dealing with spoiled children, they’ll say anything to get their way, then they’re going to do what they want when given the opportunity.

      • Robert Smith

        Once again the facts get in the way.

        Remember, it was CLINTON who had a balanced budget.

        Rob

      • eddie47d

        Render;More like the Republicans promising that NAFTA wouldn’t cause any job losses for American workers. Can’t always trust the righties either!

      • jt

        Hey robby:

        Remember, it was a GOP-controlled Congress that produced and PASSED that budget, which Clinton signed.

        Why hasn’t obama gotten a single budget passed since taking office (even in his first two years with a total lock on congress)?? It’s because he’s so far left, that even many in his own party (not the Communist party, I’m referring to the Democrats here) are often unwilling to give him what he wants. Compared to obama, Clinton was a moderate, and people on both sides of the aisle were willing to work with him, because HE was willing to work with THEM. Obama presents a radical leftist agenda, and then whines and points his finger when others refuse to dance for him like little puppets.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        Frankly, any talk about raising taxes or cutting spending, should be a non-starter until there is a duly-passed budget to work from.

        Any negotiation on the fiscal issues of the Federal government is merely entertainment until that happens.

        How can you negotiate and plan future finances, if you don’t even have a budget to work from as a starting point?

        And, how is it, that we’ve gone 4 years without a budget, and haven’t had a shutdown yet? The government should have been shut down the first time we didn’t have a budget, until we had one passed.

        Government has been shut down for less, before.

        No negotiation, compromise, or agreement, on anything, until we have a budget to start with.

        – Smoov

      • nc

        Rendarsmith, You can’t trust the leftist to cut spending? The repugnuts in 2002 agreed to the Bush tax cuts that were going to create an economy STRONGER than the one they just inherited and what did they do from there with complete control of the government? What did McCain call it ??? SPENDING LIKE A DRUNK SAILOR!!!DOUBLED THE NATIONAL!! DEBT!
        You Know! The years that never were! 2001-2008! By the man who never was! George W. Bush!!
        Why can’t you people come to grips with that and judge Obama on what it cost to fight two wars he didn’t start and fix a sick economy he didn’t create?

    • Bill

      It won’t happen Buster
      They will say “yeh, sure, we agree to that” and they won’t do it once they have the tax hikes. Just like they did to Reagan.

      Send your money to Grover Norquist, who will put his money where his mouth is

      • Vicki

        Since they (politicians) receive no punishment for openly lying about things like spending why would we believe they would stop now. And since they openly break such promises why are we surprised when they break their oath of office?

    • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

      I like beating a dead horse but I told all of you that Romney could not win this election because of his past and Ron Paul would have destroyed him with the TRUTH. I have been reading your blogs across the board and everything you wish you had but will not get Ron Paul had in his Plan to turn this Coutry around. His only flaw and a big one was the Muslims they need to be Destroyed but as far as this Country is concerned he would have gotten rid of 5 Government Agencies, I.R.S. with Flat TAX, Balanced the Budget, kept Medicair and Social Security and Medicaid in tact and Audited the Federal Reserve and slowly closed it down our biggest problem. He was going to cut spending (Abominations $1.6 Trillion over spending bill for 2013) by $1 Trillion and he probably would have cut out the Abomination Quantum Easement Stupidity 3 of $40 Billion a month for bad Real Estate Loans this Lunatic Abomination ordered when he entered the Semi White House in 2008 further burdening the Middle Class TAX PAYERS with even more DEBT. Hope you are all happy with the new KING Abomination a a Corrupt Complicit Congress. Viet Nam Vet 67-68

      • eddie47d

        The Muslims will never be destroyed and shouldn’t be so that doesn’t make you very smart in saying so. Muslims aren’t ours to control anymore than we are here for them to control. Ron Paul was right about that too.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Ron Paul was right about a lot of things. Had he been elected, i seriously doubt he would have lived to implement his policies; if you get my drift…

  • Harold Olsen

    Conservatism in the GOP is dead.
    ________________________

    Gee, are you just figuring that out? The GOP hasn’t been a conservative party for years. These days, at best, they are left leaning moderates. Most, I’d say, are liberals. Look at the presidential candidates they’ve been fielding lately. Liberals, mostly. The last consevative was Reagan. It’s a major reason I quit the GOP several years ago and became an Independent. You call McCain a neocon. I’m not sure what a neocon is. I interpret that term as a new conservative. McCain is no kind of conservative. He’s a liberal. If he pledges not to raise taxes then I expect him to do just the opposite and support tax increases. It’s what liberals do. They can’t be trusted I hope he keeps his word and retires when his current term ends. Hopefully, whoever runs for his seat will be a true conservative. I suspect that’s why Sarah Palin bought a house in Arizona. I think, and hope, she plans on replacing him.

    • Robert Smith

      Actually the teabaggers got creamed this election.

      Rob

      • RichE

        “…Left Hand AS- Wiping Muslim Marxist…”
        Make your case passionately, but civilly? Wow! We really follow the rules around here.

    • eddie47d

      So Harold is willing to trade in an old model for a new model who doesn’t have a clue on foreign policy. See the movie Game Change put out by Republican insiders which is about the disastrous power play by Sarah Palin and what little she knew.

  • Warrior

    This country is DOOMED.

  • Glen

    Yes, Conservatism in the GOP is dead and has been for decades. Go to the Conservative Party and check out the national platform at http://www.conservativepartyusa.org/home/ . I believe it has something to offer to Republicans, Libertarians, and even conservative Democrats.

  • Right Brain Thinker

    Yes, conservatism in the GOP is dead. The reason? Rather than dedicate itself to the preservation of traditional ideas and the ideals expressed in the Declaration and Constitution, it has sold out to the plutocracy and the corporations, who have perverted the concepts of free markets, capitalism, and representative government in their greedy pursuit of riches. And now the GOP is tearing itself apart from within—real smart.

    And MRC founder Bozo is now going to hold the GOP hostage? LOL, and another indicator of why MRC is not to be relied upon. (George Soros and Media Matters don’[t behave like that)

    • eddie47d

      The GOP endorses Corporatism and the anything goes policies on Wall Street and in the marketplace. So we end up with these up and down cycles and financial bubbles bursting. Even the Democrats are following that pattern and its more about instant gratification within both parties. They both allow Insider Trading to flourish as an entitlement to their prowess. They both allow the Elite bankers to control the election cycles and the whole economy. Some Conservatives allowed Citizens United and ALEC to actually write statehouse laws and pass legislation through intense lobbying efforts.Yes everyone seems to do it but are they any better?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Yep. Have you read Winner Take All Politics? Says what you just said in painful detail—-a good read.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        I would also recommend ” The Engineering of Consent”, published in 1955 -written by Bernays. It details the propaganda campaign that led to a US-engineered coup in Guatemala. This reference book became the Tavistock blueprint to overthrow any country that would not align with their long term goal of a one-world-government.

  • Del

    Robert, Do you remember how Clinton balanced the budget ? Let those facts get in the way. Once all the manufacturing equipment left the country. No more export. Hum, how is that working out now?

    and Warrior, This country is not DOOMED, It is DOOMED if the few good men do nothing.
    We need to replace the Supreme Court and Congress, with good honest men in office. (that should keep the president in check) then we have a chance.

    Follow the money trail and it will lead you to the truth. (Which congress men own property off shore?)

    Make it law that NO government official EVER profits in ANY way from there time in office, then you can watch the rats run from the ship. There is a reason for term limits so if someone tries to change it…… follow the money trail.

    We already have gotten the largest tax increase of any civilization know to man. Welcome Obama care.
    The Budget?
    Could some one tell me when borrowing money ever got someone out of debt? If one of your kids can’t control their budget do you keep giving them money or do you tell them to stop spending money? The US is should not think it’s the watchdog of the world.
    Stop the insane wars and get the kids home. Save money, save lives, foreign and domestic.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Those legislators who are willing to have the top 1%, those who have benefitted the most from what our country has to offer, kick in a little more in a time of need are doing what is right for our (whole) country.

    • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

      Doc spoken like a true Liberal, they are the producers of jobs and services, that is why they have money and if they wish to pay more in Taxes like the DemoRAT Party has been spouting for 70 years all those Hipocrits have to do is write out a check for more money to the I.R.S. but like all DemoRATS (Marxists) they Quack Quack Quack but don’t produce. Remember the Biggest Pathological Liar until of Course Abomination Bill Wee Willie (the Impeached, Disgraced, Disbarred, Marxist, Draft Dodger, Pediphile) Clinton who took his old shorts and socks as write offs on his tax statement all the while saying the Rich should pay more !!!!!!!! When will you Liberal (another word for Marxist) idiots stop lieing about who you are a bunch of Marxists tryiong to destroy this Country thru our schools and our new Communist DemoRAT Party with over 80 Communists in your HOUSE OF NON REPRESENTATIVES PUSHING LAWS TAKING OUR 1ST AND 5TH AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND NOW TRYING TO PASS THE INTERNATIONAL SMALL ARMS TREATY WITH THE MOST CORRUPT UNITED NATIONS OF CRIMINALS TO TAKE OUR 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. Abomination the Marxist Muslim will tax us into Communism just as written in the Marxist Papers and will pass the AGENDA 21 and LOST TREATY where we will lose our Country completely. Viet Nam Vet 67-68

      • Doc Sarvis

        There does not seem to be an overabudance of jobs being “created” by these job creators. That myth was busted a long time ago.

      • eddie47d

        Is Vietnam vet 67-68 speaking like a “true” Republican or a “true Conservative? Its hard to tell the difference! No one wants a mad dog running lose so if VietNam vet is your poster boy then that explains why both the Republicans and Conservatives are in big trouble. No one wants to pet a rabid dog or go near them so if you can’t put them on a short leash then you will continue to implode!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Doc gets it.

        Eddie, don’t be unkind. I spent months before the election working on a guy who referred to O’Bama as “that black Muslim from Kenya” and got him to see the light AND VOTE FOR O’BAMA. So there is hope for V-N Vet yet. He talked about “beating dead horses” earlier. Well, the corollary to that is “No horse is too dead to beat”, as is proven by many on this site. We can extend that logic to Vet—-maybe we can beat his brain back to life.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Doc gets some of it, not all of it! I guess some, is better than none.

  • Del

    Doc, Ask your self, Where did the top !% get there money? They won’t pay a dime more. They never did and never will. Don’t be fooled by the ” MAKE THAT RICH GUY PAY” it is still on the poor and poorest. the product or service will just go up to make the difference , more inflation. Try stop spending money that does not exist. Legislate that.

  • Steve E

    There are not enough Constitutionalist left in this country to change the Republican party back into conservatism. The Repubs will just be another liberal party. This country is doomed.

  • RichE

    Spendaholicism: We need to rid Congress of the disease and then we can get back to our petty name calling.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Isn’t it ironic that it is the Red states that take in more Federal dollars in relation to what they pay in while the Blue states pay in more in relation to what the get back.

    • RichE

      Doc,
      I believe you’re implying Red States are more socialistic than Blue States? If this is true I’d think MSNBC would mention it to Bill O’Reilly.

      • Doc Sarvis

        I’m almost certain they have.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        But O’Reilly works for Faux News and therefore has his own set of facts with which to mislead and misinform his listeners. Why would he want to see anyone else’s facts? Especially since they are true and of no use to him.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        RBT points to Fox News as only News-agency that practises the art of “filtering-information”, so as to establish their bias; leading us to assume, of course, that there are other News-agencies out there that restrict themselves form such a practice. If there are such News-agencies out there, RBT, could you kindly recommend one?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Jay, Since you asked nicely (for a change) and didn’t throw any of “them there ad hominem critters” in there, I will reply in kind. Intelligently STATED comment deserve a reply, if for no reason other than to show that their premises are not quite correct.

        In this case, you and I CAN agree that there is much “filtering” of information by virtually all “news” organizations. As can be expected, since they are all owned by the corporate oligarchy and plutocracy and must toe the line.

        I did not point to Fox News as the ONLY News-agency that practices the art of “filtering-information”, but merely pointed out that they are unique in that they not only filter but often deliberately mislead and misinform. They do this because of their political bias—which bias is far greater than any of the “lib” media. I was doing a mild “snark” on O’Reilly, saying that he used the “faux” facts and truth was therefore not of use to him.

        You ask, “If there are such News-agencies out there, RBT, could you kindly recommend one?” That’s not an easy task—I hate to say it because it somehow makes me feel a bit un-American, but Al-Jazeera and RT (Russia Today) often give a more unfiltered view of what’s going on in this country and around the world.

        I have enjoyed perhaps what is only the second “reasonable” exchange that we have had. I did agree with you on something else once, if I recall.

        • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

          > They do this because of their political bias—which bias
          > is far greater than any of the “lib” media.

          Fox News’ bias isn’t greater than any of the ‘lib’ media… it only seems that way when you compare it to the bulk of the media that have leaned liberal for a long long time.

          When you have a lot of media that lean liberal, and a small portion that lean conservative, when you compare any of them against the media as a whole, of course the media that lean conservative, is going to stick out more.

          Name calling with “Faux News” and other insults are pointless. Every media outlet has its own bias and perspective, and having that diversity in opinion is _extremely_ important.

          It lets us get a more rounded picture of the issues at hand. Gives us something to compare different viewpoints against.

          All throwing out “Faux News” does, along with the ‘greater bias’ accusations do to accomplish, is label the one throwing those terms out there, as one who doesn’t need to be taken seriously, as they are a sign, that he himself, doesn’t take his own knowledge seriously in the first place.

          Disagree with Fox News all you want to. Challenge their positions and opinions. Take on the issues you disagree with, debate your position. We need that.

          We have more than enough stupid name callers who are unable to grow up and be rational adults.

          – Smoov

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        RBT: Jay, Since you asked nicely (for a change) and didn’t throw any of “them there ad hominem critters” in there, I will reply in kind. Intelligently STATED comment deserve a reply, if for no reason other than to show that their premises are not quite correct.

        Difficult to determine friend or foe in a fire-fight. Smoke cleared… took ten deep-breaths.

        RBT: In this case, you and I CAN agree that there is much “filtering” of information by virtually all “news” organizations. As can be expected, since they are all owned by the corporate oligarchy and plutocracy and must toe the line.

        Agreed!

        RBT: I did not point to Fox News as the ONLY News-agency that practices the art of “filtering-information”, but merely pointed out that they are unique in that they not only filter but often deliberately mislead and misinform.

        Now i know. My statement was purely tongue-in-cheek, just in case.

        RBT: They do this because of their political bias—which bias is far greater than any of the “lib” media.

        Suffice to say, they are both untrustworthy. To what degree one is less than the other is up to each to decide, i suppose. Recommendation: Proceed with caution.

        RBT: I was doing a mild “snark” on O’Reilly, saying that he used the “faux” facts and truth was therefore not of use to him.

        O’Reilly deserves that, plus more!

        RBT: You ask, “If there are such News-agencies out there, RBT, could you kindly recommend one?” That’s not an easy task—I hate to say it because it somehow makes me feel a bit un-American, but Al-Jazeera and RT (Russia Today) often give a more unfiltered view of what’s going on in this country and around the world.

        Considering the fact, as you rightly stated: “Virtually all “news” organizations are owned by the corporate oligarchy and plutocracy”, going off the beaten-path should be regarded as prudent, rather than anti-American.

        RBT: I have enjoyed perhaps what is only the second “reasonable” exchange that we have had. I did agree with you on something else once, if I recall.

        Well, what can i say; blush blush, i’m a bit of a hot-head! Discovered head works better when cool…lol!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        WTS(Jay): “Discovered head works better when cool…lol!”

        Yes, that is true for all. I myself am too old to get angry about the inconsequential anymore, which describes most of what goes on with PLD. About as ‘hot” as I get is perhaps “mildly exasperated”, and that only happens with the cretins like The Two Stooges—-mainly because they clog the thread and get in everyone’s way rather than because of their feeble attacks on me or anyone else. I didn’t really get angry at some of your “dirtier” shots either, but I must confess they DID motivate me to think hard and dig for “choice” words when punching back. LOL—we did trade some good shots, didn’t we?

  • John

    Taxation is theft. Taxes are what is wrong with this country. No taxation ensures a truly limited government. Now, the beast is out of control and starving for more meals to be Larger and LARGER. All while we stand to lose life, liberty and property just to keep alive the false oppressed ego that “you can’t do it on your own”. This great nation was founded on the understanding that we all deserve whatever we are willing to work for and that burdening our fellow man with our troubles is in hinderance of their liberty. Philanthropy is compassion. Taxation is theft.

  • Public Citizen

    It is becoming increasingly difficult for those with truly conservative/constitutional values to work with Republicans. The reason for this is that the Republicans continue to demonstrate that they are but one face of a coin called “politician”. They are more interested in furthering a career than furthering the “general welfare”.
    We have to start electing truly conservative minded people at the local and state levels. This is the only pathway open to us to obtain a footing on the national political landscape.
    It is hard work but must be done, otherwise we are all just another group of loudmouths with an agenda and no plan.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      True enough, but I see the “reason” a bit differently. The problem I see is that the extremists in the GOP have dragged the party over to a position that does not work “towards promoting the general welfare” but instead promotes the welfare of the plutocracy and the corporations. And the “career” is more and more keeping one eye always on the lobbying job that awaits them after their term—–where they can get really rich.

      The GOP at the local and state level is gerrymandering to lock in their control, passing voter suppression laws, and being led around by the nose by groups like ALEC. All allegedly in the name of conservative values but really anti-conservative in that they will destroy the country if they succeed. Things may have to get worse before they get better The “loudmouths” have been coopted into thinking they are fighting the good fight but they are not. The founders of the Tea Party have come to that realization—let’s hope enough others do the same to save the GOP and return it to the hands of those with the “truly conservative/constitutional values”.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        RBT: The problem I see is that the extremists in the GOP have dragged the party over to a position that does not work “towards promoting the general welfare” but instead promotes the welfare of the plutocracy and the corporations. And the “career” is more and more keeping one eye always on the lobbying job that awaits them after their term
        —–where they can get really rich.

        You are correct, RBT! But don’t allow yourself to be deluded into thinking that the agenda,
        “but instead promotes the welfare of the plutocracy and the corporations. And the “career” is more and more keeping one eye always on the lobbying job that awaits them after their term—–where they can get really rich”, is restricted to the GOP.

        Both parties work towards the same end, and that; through the “Hegelian Dialectic Process”. I’m sure you’re familiar with such? So then, the focus should not be on one party or the other, but rather the “Process” by which both parties find common ground, that being, the “Agenda”, as you astutely pointed out!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Dang, Jay! Are we really going to start having intelligent debates? Where we do the “point”-”counterpoint” thing? My “right brain” will enjoy that.

        You said, “You are correct, RBT! But don’t allow yourself to be deluded into thinking that the agenda…..is restricted to the GOP”.

        I most certainly would not say that—-you have interwoven among your more “frenzied” (for want of a better word) comments a theme that we can agree on, that nearly ALL of them are SOB’s that have sold out. We differ mainly on who has sold out more—right or left, and exactly how they have sold out.

        I have recommended “Winner Take All Politics” to all on PLD—-it indicts ALL of them—left and right. Another book by a liberal, “The Death of the Liberal Class”, indicts the Democrats for selling out and becoming like the Republicans that led the “sell out” to the plutocracy and corporate oligarchs. Good reads both.

        You say, “Both parties work towards the same end, and that; through the “Hegelian Dialectic Process”. I’m sure you’re familiar with such? So then, the focus should not be on one party or the other, but rather the “Process” by which both parties find common ground, that being, the “Agenda”, as you astutely pointed out!”

        I favor the Socratic dialectic rather than the Hegelian myself, as should be evident by my many comments on various threads of PLD. I focus not on the “process”, but on the search for “rationality and truth”. We can go both ways in our “dialectics” and still come to some agreement on certain truths about the parties in the end.

        I don’t want to jeopardize our new “relationship”, but I must point out that the Socratic dialectic has led to many “truths” that I have pointed out on the threads and been attacked over, often by you. We unfortunately have had very little functioning “process” on this site—the “craziness” seems to smother it.

        Again, it was good talking to what I hope is the “real” Jay.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Please disregard my acidic and presumptuous comment, RBT. Clearly, i over-stepped; my apologies!

    • jt

      Well put, and concise. I like that.

      True grass-roots movements begin at home ( and I mean ACTUALLY at home, with the family), and grow from there. I’ve said in other discussions that we all need to become more familiar and more involved with our local, county, and state governments, in order to make ANY inroads. The communist party in the U.S. has been doing this for decades (don’t scoff,………it’s true) and we have A LOT of catching up to do.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    CONSERVATISM IN THE Grand Ole Party SHOULD BE DEAD.

    “LET US BE REAL” – WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL READS Biblical Scripture, THAT PERSON MAKES AN INTERPRETATION OF WHAT WAS READ BASED ON LIFE EXPERIENCE. CHURCH DOCTRINE – INDEED – NDICATES INDIVIDUALS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH, “Jesus Christ.”

    THEREFORE, HOW CAN A POLITICAL PARTY EXPECT MORE THAN THREE-HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE TO AGREE ON A CONSERVATIVE – DEFINITELY, CHRISTIAN-BASED – “BLUEPRINT” FOR GOVERNMENT?

    THIS ELECTION HIGHLIGHTS THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF SUCH A FEAT.

    • Marty S.

      The master plan is to break the U.S. dollar.

      • daryl de mestre

        George Soros, and his minions are the workers of the master plan. Ever so quietly they go about their way, devouring a once great nation. I am a first generation immigrant and my heart is pained. Only a miracle will save the day, now.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

      Mr. Horton, clueless you are, and clueless, i fear, you will remain!

  • http://Yahoo JD

    daryl, Your heart has appreciated the nation you chose. I’m so sorry to say, so many born and raised here have been dummied down, and don’t see how lucky they were. Best wishes to you and yours. We both need to pray for that miracle.

  • Thinking About

    As long as we do not return to the conservative times we experienced during the Bush years, spending was up, two wars which did not get paid for and to offset the extra spending taxes was cut. A plan for disaster which came to pass. What will be required to pay the Bush spending and debt will require taxes to return to pre Bush rates and cut out lots of loop holes. Do we have a Congress in place to govern, time will tell, in a letter from my representative I don’t think he is up to the task, pitiful. To think we are paying wages to this bunch to mess this country up, what a shame.

  • Fastfood

    Reagan Admin gave the word that 30% tax rate drop over three years would balance the budget in seven years and that the 10/10/5 rate drops that congress approved would balance the budget in thirteen years. Then Herbert Walker Bush signed into law a tax increase after pledging “no new taxes.” Then Clinton signed into law a tax increase and then after admitting he thought he raised tax rates on us working-stiffs “too much” he never even suggest fixing it. It is no wonder that it took until 1999 to balance the budget. Then came the snafus in our economy, Enron, Madoff, Housing finance committee forcing Sub-prime lending on Fanny and Freddie further forcing private lenders to foolishly follow suite or risk going out of business making government lenders practically the only game in town with Wall Street betting on the losers behind closed doors and two decade+ long wars that probably shouldn’t have lasted more a year, all of this thanks to voting the same morons into office time and again. I.E. Polosies’ “You have to hurry up and pass this Bill (ObamaCare) so you can see what’s in it.” and all the idiots who voted for it sight unseen. Carries’ “Well, I didn’t think he was really gonna do it” after voting to let Bush declare war against Iraq), Carries’ lie “The memory of spending Christmas in Cambodia above the 38th Parallel when I was in Viet Nam is seared in my mind” and Carries’ lie “They weren’t really MY war medals I threw over the fence at the White House lawn.” after previously admitting many times that they WERE his medals. Not to mention the many other idiots and liars who have been voted into office again, again and again. And the most common denominator of all, the moronic idiots who keep voting these same people into office. It is no wonder they all think they are above the law, our constitution and even the voters’ them selves. Do everyone a favor the next you vote, THINK!

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