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Connecting the Dots on Unrelated Subjects

May 4, 2009 by  

Connecting the Dots on Unrelated Subjects

Nationalized health care.

President Barack Obama fires GM CEO Richard Wagoner.

British food inspectors.

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Government bailouts.

These five seemingly unrelated subjects actually have a lot in common, and I will connect the dots.

First, Obama and Congressional Democrats are seeking to nationalize health care. What they say they want to do is make healthcare affordable for everyone. They say that the plan is to offer alternatives to the existing health insurance structure, thereby giving consumers a choice in their healthcare providers.

Have insurance through your employer you’re happy with? Fine, you can keep it. Just be prepared as a taxpayer to subsidize someone else’s healthcare.

In other words, the government is going to take your hard-earned money away from you and tell you it is to pay for someone else to see a doctor. You pay your own premiums, through withholdings from your employer or direct payment if you’re self-employed, while someone else gets healthcare through the government, thanks to your tax dollars.

In March, Obama forced out General Motors CEO Richard Wagoner. Why? Obama wasn’t satisfied with the way Wagoner was proceeding in his quest to turn General Motors’ finances around. How can the president force out the CEO of a private company?

It’s no longer private. GM took a government handout—rather, bailout—and the president became the company’s largest stakeholder. That essentially made Obama chairman of the board of GM and gave him control over the company’s direction.

In January, Great Britain announced that a group of inspectors will be hired and trained to visit British homes and offer advice to homeowners on what foods to eat and what to throw away. They’ll be handing out guidance literature on optimum portion sizes and what to do with leftovers, as well as explaining the difference between “best before,” “use by,” and “sell by” dates.

Essentially, according to an article in the Daily Mail, the British government is going to send out its agents to go through the refrigerators and pantries of British subjects and judge whether they are eating well and properly managing their food.

Meanwhile, Justice Ginsburg told a group gathering at Ohio State University that she believed U.S. judges were justified in using precedent established in foreign courts when handing down decisions on U.S. matters, according to a recent article in the New York Times.

“Why shouldn’t we look to the wisdom of a judge from abroad with at least as much ease as we would read a law review article written by a professor?” the Times quoted her as asking.

Regarding the bailouts, where does the money that went to GM, Chrysler and the financial institutions come from? If you are a working American it is taken from you (through income tax) by threat of force. It then goes into the government coffers where it is dispersed at the direction of the Treasury Secretary, who was appointed by the president.

Now to connect the dots: When healthcare is nationalized the government is going to be overseeing the type of care you receive and whether—because of age or state of health—a certain treatment is authorized.

A healthy populace is less expensive than an unhealthy one. So the government will seek to modify people’s behavior in order to ensure their health and keep healthcare costs low. That means the government will have a say over what you eat and how you live, as well as whether you even qualify for certain treaments.

Obama, in control of GM, fired the CEO. He justified it by claiming to represent the interests of taxpayers. Obama, in charge of healthcare because taxpayer dollars are used to fund it, can make you eat correctly in order to ensure your health.

To enforce government’s idea of a healthy diet, food police will regularly inspect your refrigerator and pantry to make sure you are eating properly. If food police agents deem you have too much “unapproved” food in your house, expect fines and punishment. You can’t be fired, as Wagoner was. But the government has ways to punish wrongdoers.

Don’t want to let inspectors into your house? Sorry, the government now owns you through healthcare. Want to appeal the punishment for unauthorized food? You won’t get very far. Once a judge in Great Britain rules it’s okay for them, no American law will help you. So says Justice Ginsburg.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • s c

    Abuse of power and treason are the central core in this disaster. People can’t understand that as a government’s power grows, individuals have less and less freedom. Eventually, government has all power, and its citizens are slaves. The idea that “it can’t happen here” was proven wrong more than 100 years ago.
    America is drowning in good intentions and ‘wait-and-see.’ America will never get term limits. The best way to stop political criminals is to PREVENT consecutive terms. Until Americans understand that, America is doomed. Politicians understand. Stop being so childish, America. How can any adult think a political party will rescue America? No wonder politicians have it so EASY! This ‘casino’ is worse than corrupt, and Americans are playing against a stacked deck.

    • OrlandoRican

      WE, THE PEOPLE are the real agents of change. It is so simple. Next election cycle (local, city, county, state, federal) vote out the incumbents. Regardless of party affiliation. WE, THE PEOPLE will be sending the message that we are still incharge. These miscreants work for us! LET THEM KNOW!

      • Bev

        Yes, it would be great if we COULD vote them out, but they are going to grant millions of illegals amnesty and the right to vote. By doing this, they are forever outnumbering us, as the illegals will always vote for big government handouts and we, the working class poor, will be stuck forever funding them. I think our ship has sunk no matter what we do, short of absolute revolution, which, against Prince Obama’s, King Reid’s and Queen Pelosi’s new national militia that they plan on creating, we will be forced by martial law to obey. Look at the South after the Civil War. Lands were confiscated and martial law was envoked to “keep the rebels down”. Don’t think it can’t happen again. (And did you notice how they push their bills through on the “fast track” so no one can read them, – hey the Dems. don’t care what the bill says, they just want to rule)

        • http://comcast plp bored

          I totally agree with you but how are we going to get the dems out .I’m republican but they don’t seem to have any answers either.I’m afraid our country is doomed if we the people do not take it back.I just don’t know how we ae supposed to do it. We need a whole new system before it is too late. I really scared it may be too late. I sure hate to see the Declaration of Independence destroyed by these democrats in office. It is totally messed up I know that. We need a new leader not a king Obama. The media has totally made him a darling, like nothing I have ever seen in my life!

          • keeper

            YOU FORGET MY DEAR PERSON ABOUT WHO THE REAL AMERICANS ARE HERE.. YOU ARE HEARING THERE RODERIC AND BEING SCARED TO THE POINT OF DOING NOTHING AND GIVING IN TO THERE TACTICS.. THEY WANT TO KEEP US IN FEAR, ITS EASIER TO OVERPOWER US THAT WAY… SO FEAR NOT.. GOD DID NOT GIVE US A SPIRIT OF FEAR BUT A SPIRIT OF JUSTICE. WE DON’T STAND FOR B.S FROM EVIL PEOPLE.. WE FIGHT WARS THAT HAVE TO BE FOUGHT. OUR HISTORY SHOWS US THAT.
            WE HAVE A WAR GOING ON RIGHT HERE IN OUR COUNTRY. ON OUR SOIL, WITH ANTI-AMERICANS,IN THE HOUSE… OUR BATTLE HAS JUST BEGUN AND WE WILL WIPE OUT THIS EVIL MINDED GROUP WITH HONOR OF DOING SO,AND JUSTICE WILL FOLLOW..
            THEY USE THERE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR MEDIA TO MAKE THEM LOOK LARGER THAN THEY REALLY ARE SO YOU WILL FEAR THEM.. WELL WE DON’T….
            GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ITS PEOPLE.

        • Paul Trood

          The only man for the job is Ron Paul. He espouses everything that congress is against. He is the only one that has a chance of saving America.

        • Bev

          If we look at the voting map by counties, you can see that most of the country is conservative. We have got to find a way for ALL of us to unit – not fighting because of a particular religion, but all come together and do something. The problem is that most of America, even the so called strong conservatives, don’t care enough to really get involved as much as we need to. If we could get EVERY conservative citizen to participate, then we would have a real chance.

        • Anthony

          Thanks Bev,
          That is what i have been trying to share with others, for the past five administrations laws have been put in place by each previous president to empower the next to have almost absolute control, now we have a president who cannot be stop by voters dissent, short of a immediate revolution , and I mean now, it is to late, the troops are gathering and soon we will be out numbered.

          Anthony

      • Pat

        Putting another liberal Democrat in place will make little difference. An EDUCATED vote is the only safe vote – GET EDUCATED!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I couldnt agree more Pat. There are so many uneducated people in this country, that actually believe what the newspapers and what ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC tell them. They dont even know that these guys are all arms of the left wing liberal democrats, and when they hear all these spins on theTV, they think the Republicans are terrible and to blame for everything, and that the Dumbocrats are the voice of reason, as this is how these left wing liberal liars spin it. It is sad that people can listen to some of these wack jobs on these stations, and take it as the gospel truth. They think the Republicans and the Bush admin is at fault for these bank collapses and problems, when anyone with any iota of education, knows that Bill Clinton with his American Dream of everyone owning a home, setting up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to loan money to people who had no way to pay this back, with the government backing these banks bad loans, until it blew up in their face because the money ran out, and it was set up by the dems and ran by the dems, and people like Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick took millions of dollars out of this and got rich. When Bush called for an investigation into the figures not looking right on this, Barney Frank, another top ranking democrat, was the head of the committee overseeing this, and would not allow an investigation as he said he had it under control. So the dems did all this, and then had the audacity to point the finger at the Bush admin and placed the blame on them, and off course with all the liberal media being a part of them, they reported this also and all the dumb uneducated Americans blindly followed them and pulled the dummy Obama lever. Get educated you liberal dummies. Your killin us.

        • republic

          I’ve recently had this very simple realization:

          Education for the Dire Task at Hand = Reading the Founding Fathers’ writings.

          The ideas and principles and thought processes still apply today; and they were certainly applied to the building of this country and her society.

          Let’s all read the F. F.’s !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Gerry

          Hey Mark,
          Don’t just blame the Democrats and Bill Clinton. The idea ofeveryone owning a home was actually put up by Jack Kemp when he ran in 1988. It was based on the fact people don’t destroy what they own. He called it the ownership society. Everyone owns their home,everyone is in the stock market, etc. It basically was the conservative answer to socialism. Everyone has personal as opposed to group ownership.
          The main problem was that the Democrats took the idea but turned it into a “government run program”. So what did they give us. A set of complex regulations,payoff to the special interests,7 figure jobs for hacks, and a bankrupting economy. So instead of low interest flexible payment mortgages, we got variable adjustable rate no down payment reverse inverted high rate mortgages, and 25% credit card interest rates. And bankrupcy laws that favor the big banks and their CEOs.

      • David Smith

        Yes Sir and thank you.
        Nov. is 7 months a way

      • http://none Pat Mencke

        WE THE PEOPLE have spoken.
        If you want to do something good for your Country, bring to justice the Bush/Cheney machine that through ignorance, mismanagement, and delusions of grandeur a self-appointment position of prophecy, ran out Country into unnecessary wars and nearly brought the whole world into financial collapse and isolated us from the world dialogue and from our former place of world leadership.

        • Katherine

          You’re stupid. Anyone with an ounce of education knows this mess was brought on by the democrat congress and President Clinton’s administration. Wake up dummy.

        • Joe Dickey

          Quick question: what earthly good would be served by a star-chamber trial of the former administration? Even if every accusation you make were true, the only result would be to distract the citizens from the real tragedy befalling our country at this moment. Don’t kid yourself, even the legal circus the left-wing Democrats say they want will not come about, because they don’t want it on sworn record how much complicity they had in the events of the last 8 years. Do yourself a favor and study how much liberty the average citizen has lost in just the last 100 days.

        • Jen Smith

          Katherine, why don’t you quit dwelling on what the Bush administration did or not do. Concentrate on the one in power now and study the Constitution before it is shredded.

        • Susan L

          Stop drinking the liberal cool-aid.

        • pneal

          Blame America, blame Bush, what’s next, blame yo mama. Get the facts, they are out there if you are open minded enough to look. Too many countries have been down the same path with the support of the uninformed or ignorant, if we go down the Obama road, America as we know it will be a page in the history books but it will probably be revisionist history.

        • Bob Velon

          So you the people have spoken. Did you know that the person you elected is not a U.S. born citizen? He was born in Mombasa Kenya. Did you know he is probably not even a naturalized citizen and his legal name is Barry Soetoro. His stepfather adopted him and changed his name. Unless he had it changed back legally he is not Barak Obama. You stupid ignorant people were so into the change he kept telling you about you never checked to see what the change was. I hope this is the change you were so willing to give up your freedom for… He is a socialist dictator and you haven’t seen anything yet. At least Bush was a legal citizen of the United States. He has stepped all over our Constitution and given this country to the highest bidder.

        • TeresaE

          Keep on looking back one term. Ignore the term before and all the laws that created our current mess with a Democratic signature on them.

          Bush did help. He looked away while the middle class was being slowly erradicated, he signed into law bills that restricted our freedoms and created new hidden taxes and controls.

          BOTH sides are doing this folks, until the day we QUIT SEEING EVERYTHING UNDER THE VEIL OF RED & BLUE, our destruction will continue.

          Americans still do not get it yet and I, for one, doubt most ever will. Which means those of us that see the impending disaster can’t do ANYTHING to stop it.

          And my child will be just as abused and hungry as yours.

        • Patriot Diva

          Pat, get a clue. George Soros was behind that collapse along with willing friends of his from enemy countries who want to bring America down. Bush was not perfect by any means, but you guys’ hatred of him gets in the way of thinking clearly. Soros is known for a fact to have a “God complex”, hates capitalism even though it made him rich, and borders on madness. Do a little research, listen to news outlets other than the lame stream media (CNN, ABC, MSNBC, NPR, etc…. and you will see that what I say is true. Why is it that democrats and liberals look at conservatives as a greater threat than even terrorists? We are all being played for fools. The goal of the Soros types of the world is to divide and conquer.

        • Carolyn

          Why is it sooooo easy for you people to forget that the Congress was held by and laws presented by DEMOCRATS????? Blame Bush, but not the Democrats in Congress….WAKE UP!

        • Jean

          Now there goes common sense flying out the window. The problem is to stop all the damage being done now, not to keep looking back.

        • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

          And you may have noticed This country is now in debt to Whom? The chinese are one of the larger lenders. The Bible says that the borrower is servant to the lender.So the result is that we, the people are owned by the Chinese (communist government). This is gonna hurt people, we have “blinded our eyes to the wisdom of the Bible.” Our country was founded and fought for, so we can be selfish and “do our own thing” and where has it gotten us. Now that they are outlawing guns, what are you gonna fight with. Do you see how democracy has been stepped on?We fought the King and won our freedom, but how many men died. Great we have better technology, What is the first thing a country does to take over, use the guts to infiltrate. Folks, we have been dupped in the worst way. “Gird your loins (put your work pants on and go work so that the communist regime can live in the large houses.

        • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

          The next war is gonna be when the new Government walks into your house and TELLS * you what you can eat. The lovely King Obama has sold our country, through our national debt. the *conniving selfish men voted in have become Self-centered, not just selfish. Selfish is I want, Self centered is I’m more important than you.

        • http://yahoo Harold Hartsock

          Dear Pat Mencke
          Yes America was tricked into a war based on a lie and the cost is still adding up.We have lost many of our most respected Americans in this war.I hate it !But you must know why we were attacked and will continue to be a target.We support Israel financially and militarily,they have been killing Arabs and stealing Palestine land since 1948 the year they became a state.
          We can agree both political parties (Dem. & Rep.)are corrupt liers and betray our constitution.Time is wasting Americans must join together as one and revolt if we are to secure a government FOR AMERICA not against America.

        • B-Man

          to Pat- where do you come up with this crap. This past administration ran one of the largest wars in history, kept us safe for 8 yrs and ran this country at a 2% debt structure. Unemployment was 3% at its worst. Because the stupid ass damcrats owned and ran freddy and fanny they waited until their llittle BOY almost lost all momentum in the election and then pulled the plug on all those morgages. They destroyed commerce as we know it. If they had left well enough alone those two were actually under investigation and we could have handled it completely different. None of this financial crap would have been anywhere near as bad. This bum we have now has us up to a 9% unemployment and 2 times the deficit @ 4% and growing. Wow he sure is making it happen. Get him the hell out now!!!!!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Yeah right. Didnt have nothing to do with Clinton and his boys setting up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, to lend housing money to people with no way to pay it back, but tell the banks to do it anyways and Uncle Sam will back it up. The banks said heck yeah, we are guaranteed to get our money. Problem is, they did so many bad loans that even the Federal Government couldnt afford it, and the banks collapsed. Of course, they knew the figures were showing this a couple of years before this happened, but democrat big wig Barney Frank, who was in charge of the oversight comittee to monitor this kind of stuff, told the Bush admin,”No investigation is needed”. Its all under control. Meanwhile, top dems Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick are running this thing, giving themselves and their pals million dollars of bonuses out of this fund, yep, blatently stealing from us tax payers, and they all walk away rich and loaded, while the banks collapse, and all you blind lying wankers climb up on your soap box and start pointing the finger at Bush. How did you ever come to this conclusion? Because he is in office at the time, he did it? Oh yeah, I forgot, according to you left wing pacifist appeasing pants wetting little girls, its his fault that 9-11 happened to. I mean, it didnt have anything to do with Bill Clinton cutting the intelligence agency in half for 8 years preceeding, or cutting the military in half. It probably didnt have anything to do with Clinton sticking cigars into young interns while these guys were running around the country setting up their shop, while this leetch slept at the switch. Didnt have nothing to do with the fact that old Billy boy let the bastards blow up the WTC basement, the USS Cole, the barracks in Lebanon, the dragging our dead through the streets of Somalia, the turning down of Bin Laden being handed over to us 3 stinking times. Yeah, it had absolutely nothing to do with this did it? Had nothing to do with them thinking that the United States is a bunch of pussies that they can continually punch in the nose and we would do nothing did it? All this happened, and your bastard boy Billy J. Clinton did nothing but defile the office of president, defile his marriage and defile his country. Pay attention to history pal, because I for one am not going to let you get away with trying to change it. Fact is fact. Bill Clinton is guilty as guilt can be. Fact.

      • Jed_Clampett

        Orlandorican……. I have been saying the same thing. We have power. It is our vote. And it is time to send a clear message to all those with political aspirations and those that wish to preserve their comfy confines in DC (i.e. Spector) and put their personal lifestyle agendas above the people that put them there. I say we clean house.

        NO INCUMBENTS !!!!

        OF THE PEOPLE * BY THE PEOPLE * FOR THE PEOPLE ** This is OUR government. WE are in charge. If you seek real change in our federal government, vote the incumbents out in 2010 and 2012.

        • Judith

          Both parties have been corrupted by money and a PNAC plan (their vision for our world not ours). We must vote them out.

          How do we vote them out when the voting machines are being manipulated and the vote itself being stolen? Election after election since Bush in 2000 this has been true.

        • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

          2010 is gonna be too late. Guns are illegal, almost, everyone is a softy. I’m 51 and ready to “Bare Arms” for my Constitutional rights. Has anyone read it lately, without picking certain pieces to suit what I want it to say. Amendment after amendment takes away our liberties, Which is exactly what our Grandfathers did. fought, with life on the line.

      • Pat

        If you think the polls are corrupt, demand audits. Aren’t most of the poll workers volunteers? Volunteer on election days. Keep up the demand for Constitutional compliance and not laws of popular ideals. Join the Constitution Party. Go to the Tea Parties on July 4th and September 12, we can’t be ignored forever and I agree elections are not that far away. When Fox News is viewed by more viewers than the liberal lefts news, it tells you that Americans are tired of the push for socialism in this country.

        • Jen Smith

          Well stated, Pat!

      • John

        Absoulutely correct- vote out the incumbents. It was Thomas Jefferson who said ‘God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty…. And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

        • TeresaE

          ALL incumbents.

          Lifelong, well paid; big, fat & happy unionists, elite and politicians own the government.

          We could change it if we just continuously vote out all incumbents. The power brokers would be shaken and maybe then we could enact change.

          Until we truly change Washington and tackle our problems in a business like manner, the downward slope will just continue.

        • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

          yes but now they can financialy torment any person. All the information we have been fed for so long. For some serious information, go to http://www.thingstocome.org. you’ll get some serious information about where we are headed. Better start learning Arabic.!!

      • Rob

        Yeah, We the People, blah, blah, blah, and nothing ever happens…
        In principal you are correct, but in practice you are out in left field.
        They will not give up their power, until it is wrenched from their grimey hands….
        Forget about taking up arms, if you are so foolish to do so, you will come face to face with the National Guard, and if you numbers are large enough, face to face with the United States military. A force that cannot be beaten.
        You want to commit suicide? I suggest a bottle of pills in the privacy of your own home. No need to make a public spectacle……
        Getting it yet?

        • Rob

          A rebellion every 20 years. Good.
          And the Federal Income Tax was never properly ratified. There is no law that says you have to pay Federal income tax. Yet,….just try not paying…They will most certainly stick your ass in prison. Legale or not.

          We no longer live in Colonial Times. Guns in the hands of the “people” are no longer a threat to government. Stop wasting your time with very correct historical remedys for an out of control government.

          Instead start looking for “Real World” solutions for an out of control government.
          What do those in government actually listen to? Certainly not those “Wackos” supporting the US Constitution, and speaking about lost rights. Instead they listen to lobbyist groups.
          Why not form a citizen rights lobby? You will have plenty of funding. Go to Washington, and lobby for actual change.

        • TeresaE

          “They” (politicians) set the guidelines for our public educations.

          The (few-very few) smart ones have actually learned more past what we were spoon fed.

          We have exactly the government and country, the government created with our blessing, consent and often-demand.

          Meanwhile, we continue to demand the government take over, or control, even more.

          Every time I hear a fellow citizen say, “well, the government should…” I shudder.

          Name one farking program that is run effectively, without waste for the sake of spending and with happy, friendly employees (like we in the private sector have to behave) and I’ll agree that the government should get involved.

          We need FEWER laws, LESS regulation and LESS taxes. Fewer paid-for-life employees and more private industry and work.

          Never happen.

          Doomed comes to mind.

        • Rob

          TeresaE, less regulation sometimes causes a total mess too. Less regulation in the financial sector helped cause this mess we are in now.
          And I want my Water Utility to be heavily regulated, and those that produce food.
          Medicine should be heavily regulated, the list goes on…

          What we need are smart regulations, and to get rid of the ones that cost business money with little benefit. I don’t want my surgeon stiching me up with electrical tape because, for him, its more cost effective, and there are no regulations in place that forbid it.

          Its all about checks and balances. We should know by now we cannot rely on business to ethically self regulate their own behavior.

        • SSG Prasuhn

          Rob — I get the impression you are not a ‘Veteran’. Otherwise you would know that there are several million (yes, that’s MILLION) of us (Veterans) out here (most all of us armed and ‘trained’ in the ways of war) who are whole-heartedly ‘behind’ The Constitution and The Bill of Rights and would GLADLY ‘go to war’ (yes, even against our own) to REGAIN OUR COUNTRY and do ALL that NEEDS to be done to keep it from becoming a Communistic or Socialistic country and for IT (The United States of America) to remain INTACT, if not RESTORED to it’s ‘Original’ state.

          Now, by my latest figuring ‘several million’ is much, mucH, muCH, mUCH, MUCH MORE than a couple hundred thousand (Active Military and National Guard, Air Guard, etc.. — including all the local, county and state police agencies) combined. And many of them will ‘jump ship’ to join us because they believe and feel the way ‘We The People’ do.

          ‘Nuff Said’,

        • keith

          i’m sure thats what the british thought and the federal army when they showed up at bullrun in 61! who do you think will be leading the militia? us vets!

        • Rob

          Hey ah, Keith, weaponry has EVOLVED a little since The Battle of Bull Run. {which I am willing to bet you are a vetern of} Citizens are limited in what they can own, Governments are not. Go have some coffee.

          And Keith, talk like that can get you flagged as a domestic terrorist. I am not kidding. You people are unbelievable…..

          Better a nonviolent revolution. Gingritch did it to an extent. Why not run for office if you want to change things? Form a lobby, or pressure group. Washington responds to that. FBI and ATF respond to people saying the things you are saying. These are not colonial times. You are not annonamous, technology has put an end to that. All you need to do to get their attention is say something STUPID. If you have a pissing match with Fed Agents, you will lose.

          We have tight enough firearms laws. Don’t wreck it for everybody else. No wonder they are domestic wiretapping…. The Federal government won’t back down, they’ll just crawl up your a*s a little farther. Hoping for Martial Law or something?
          Nonsense like this, really pisses me off.
          You change from the inside out.

    • Hope Summers

      Very TRUE. “WE THE PEOPLE” was not penned by ‘The People’ and their lies the crux of the problem. Until we truly hold our government responsible by getting rid of corrupt politicians, we will never be ‘The People’. Most Americans do not understand that what is going on in Washington is being sanctioned by their unwillingness to hold Congress accountable. If the shareholders so desire then an inept CEO is fired. If our Congressional members are inept they are rewarded by us, the shareholders, with our silence. We need to clean house begining with the secular-progressives like Nancy Pelosi. Most decent Americans would find her actions to be immoral if they only new her record of voting. For the vast majority, Americans are decent, clean living and hard working people. We should not let the minority gain control of our lives through their control of our Government. Stand up for your rights and vote a clean sheet next election. Throw the incumbents out. Remember that not voting is a vote to keep the corruption that is Washigton.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        I agree with your assessment of Nancy Pelosi. The woman is obviously inherently evil. Listen to the things that spew out of her mouth. She can look that camera straight in the eye and tell obvious bold faced lies, and not bat an eye. Her and her whole ilk in California need to go. Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Barney Frank, Diane Feinstein, Gavin Newsom. I mean with people like this in office there, it doesnt say much about the intelligence of the people of California. And look at the financial state of this state. People, please, connect the dots and figure it out. Its not that hard to do. You have a bunch of lying, cheating left wing liberals who care about nothing but themselves and their power, representing you, and giving your hard earned money to all these illegals that are bankrupting your state. They give millions to the gay causes to morally and spititually bankrupt your state. They WILL sit down and wine and dine with the terrorists if given a chance, I guarantee it. You need to wise up and clean yourselves of this whole lot real quick, or you can keep paying.

        • Fred

          Point well taken, but it is worse than that, Barney Frank is a representative of Massachusetts. And don’t forget Chris Dodd of Connecticut. Us Californian conservatives are becoming a smaller and smaller number. The illegals are in the pockets of the liberal democrats because they know that all the goodies are gone if we elect good conservatives unlike Arnold Schwartzenegger. For such a tough guy in the movies he sure turned out to be a wimp in front of the democrat lead California congress. When they opposed him with millions of dollars of lies in advertising in the special election that he called to straighten things out, he caved to their wants just to make peace after the election went to the liberals and liberal ideology. Some tough guy!!!

          California Republican Committee keeps asking for my money which I gladly gave a few years age, but these last two elections after the Arnold Schwartzenegger debacle I refuse to give then any money until they first give us a real conservative candidate. They keep calling, but I keep telling them with candidates like Arnold, and John McCain we can just have real democrats without wasting our money. What’s the difference!!! They don’t need my money for that.

        • http://comcast plp bored

          You are so right. She even pushed through a bill to pay fisherman in her state a paycheck of 100, 000. last year for fish they did not even fish for. I so want her out of there! If you get the transcripts for last year and what congress passed you will want to puke. They literally did nothing. I read it. I even complained to my congressman told him I was ashamed of him and he would not get my vote again for taking a paycheck when he did nothing last year, that was how mad I was after reading the transcripts!

        • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

          What is this Representing you stuff? They represent themselves,

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Bruce, I didnt have that punctuated quite right. What I was meaning to say is they dont care about representing you. Thats what I was trying to say.

        • Jed_Clampett

          Hope, Mark, Fred, you are all correct in your thinking but we might still be missing the bigger picture here. It is not about names (Pelosi, Frank, Dodd, etc..) it is about removal. A completely clean slate. Character, good or bad, doesn’t count now. If we start identifying particular people than we open it up for debate of ones voting record or the value of ones contributions and we are no longer making the message stand on it’s own. Loud and clear.

          NO INCUMBENTS.

          That’s it! Regardless of party, voting record, contributions or whatever. That is the only message we need to send in order to try and regain control over what is ours. No doubt some good people would be swept up in this approach, but the message is sent to all those that seek office.

          Now, some will say that it doesn’t matter because “the voting is fixed” or “big business owns the government” or “we are not in colonial times”. We can agree with those assessments, lay down and accept defeat or, we can attempt to exercise the one bit of power that we have. Until that has been done and proven to be defeated, I will continue to believe in our ability to bring our government under our control. It does require a mass effort to be effective so, without the majority on board it will be defeated. I for one am willing to try. This is not about armed revolt. It is about casting your vote. I still believe in that.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Jed Clampett has it right. Weve got to get these incumbants out of there, as they get so deeply connected with lobbyists and special interests groups, that their vision gets skewed, and instead of doing what is best for the people, they do what is best to scratch the back of each other, and we, the people, whom they are supposed to serve, get left out. Your right Jed, the incumbants in both parties need to go.

      • Carolyn

        Hope, that’s clearly the point EVERYONE needs to be getting. “If everyone knew her voting record”. People, these records are so easy to get! If you’re in that district, sign up for MegaVote from the American Family Association (.org, I think). You will receive e-mails every time your senator or representative votes, how they voted, and upcoming votes. Sign up whether you’re in Princess Pelosi’s district anyway! Know how your elected officials are representing you! If you want to know more, go to the Senate and House of Representatives web sites and do some research. In this particular day and age, knowledge truly is power. I’m not willing to be bottle fed that garbage mainstream media keeps spewing out. I have a brain and I like to think for myself. Every “debate” I have with an Obama-worshipping puppet is the same rhetoric as the last one as the time before. They are being fed a script and what they are supposed to say. Sorry, I draw the line at that one! I find it really odd that this article appeared today when I was talking with a friend this morning about this very issue. All of the things that is going on right now is to detract from what is truly being done. And like the frog in the fry-pan, enjoy the warmth now because it’s about to fry you!

        • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

          Interesting analogy, But I am afraid we are already cooked, we just dont know it yet.

      • Rob

        HOW???
        Voting?? That got us Obama.

        Think again…..

        • Lady Liberty

          What, do you want a revolution? We would need the US Army on our side. National Guard at least.

        • Rob

          Thats very true Lady Liberty. A steady drumbeat of outrage. Nonstop. Call your representatives and complain, but be careful what you say to them…
          Keep voting them all out. Vote for nobodys. One term, then their done. Keep the pressure on. And forget any loyalty to any political party.

          How was Martin Luther King able to help pull off the Civil Rights Act? Not with force.
          Revolution, yes, violence, no.

        • Jackie

          That is what they want you to believe, that we can’t win because they have the armed services. The reason the federal gov’t keeps trying to take our guns away is that they know if we (all states) banned together, they couldn’t win. Every state has a National Guard. The federal gov’t cannot beat the National Guard of all the states. If the states pass laws that say the state National Guard and all police officers in a state are not bound by federal law but by state law, things can change. There are legislators out there working on states rights issues like this right now. Check out this web site: thepatrickhenrycaucus.org and GET INVOLVED!!!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          He got elected because people fall for the substance of what someone says, rather than who they are and what they are about. Any conscience moral American loving American, that would have read up about this guy and his ties to Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, the muslim religion, the Rezco relationship, and many many more things, there is no way they could have pulled that lever, if they truly love this country. No way. I dont care what you politics are. When youve got a guy involved in this kind of relationships, and they are long lasting close relationships, there is no way as an educated American voter, you could pull his lever. No way.

        • Rob

          Mark. I have been a registered Independent all my life….
          I lay part of the blame for Obama getting elected at the feet of the Republicans.
          On the one hand you had John McCain stumping claiming that the economy was robust, and that the Bush Tax Cut was creating jobs….. Me, I just didn’t see it…

          Then you had the email smear campaign…Daily, I got emails from “Concerned Citizens” that said Obama was a closet muslim, Obama was connected to terrorists..
          Nonsense. I reasoned that Homeland Security would have figured out if the Presidential Front Runner had ties to terror orginizations. I mean, we fund them to the tune of billions of dolars a year, it is not unreasonable to assume that they would be able to figure out if the presidential front runner is a terrorist or not.
          It was nonsense. Total lies. Most people realized that or they never would have voted for Obama. They wanted Change alright. Change from 8 years of Bush Administration abuses and incompetence.

          What they did not want was THIS kind of change. This is no real change at all. Just an acceleration of the course that we were headed down.

          So to answer your question Mark, by adding lie after lie against Obama, it became increasingly hard for people to really determine what Obama was actually all about. Once you uncover obvious lies, you begin to reject all the negatives you hear as lies as well.

          Screw the Republicans! Screw their underhanded “Wisper” campaigns!
          Screw them all! It Blew up in their faces!

          Vote in “Joe Nobody”!!! And demand more representatives per capita.

      • Rob

        SSG Prasuhn,
        You make some very excellent points. The day I wrote that I was very aggitated at the current situation, and I think it showed. I get so annoyed at the blame game played out by republicans and democrats. 20 years of that nonsense, and it hasn’t solved anything. The problem is Washington. Actually our leaders in Washington.

        The problem with what you are saying is that you could never organize a group that large. That would be a REAL Patroit Act, however it would land everyone involved on a domestic terrorist list. If you threaten their power, they consider you a terrorist. Some would be scared off after having been out of active duty for a very long time and accustomed to civilian life. Some would be arrested and dragged off, some would stand and fight. With no heavy weaponry, and limited ammo. Unless there was some catastrophic event, that rallied everyone to rise, I just don’t see it happening. It would be brother against brother too, and that would also complicate things.
        No, the machinery of CHANGE moves very slow. Bob Livingston calls it STEALTH, and GRADUALISM. Changes made in small increments. Allow time for the population to adjust, then another small change. Its a concept that I learned about decades ago. Its how we got where we are now.
        I don’t think there will be any great sudden change coming from Washington that wakes up everyone. It will always be slow, so as not to awake a sleeping people.

        The feds are very aware of vets and their backgrounds and training they received. And as I believe most are solid American patroits who would no doubt stand and die for their country, even out of service, I do not see Washington handing them the motivation to do so. Nor do I see anyone organizing without being hauled off to Gitmo. What a paradox, if you love America, you are a terrorist. If you hate America, you are a terrorist. If you support Ron Paul, {according to the Missouri List} you are a potential domestic terrorist… A don’t tread on me flag? Potential domestic terrorist. Oh yeah, its getting pretty ridiculous.
        …..Its just a game they play…

        Thank you for your comments.
        Rob

        • Rob

          Oh, and lastly,
          I think a better solution is to just keep voting them all out of office. 1 term then their gone. Don’t allow them time to make many connections or get too comfortable. A rolling stone gathers no moss. Vote democrat, republican, libertarian, green party. Even if you don’t like them, or what they stand for. Just keep mixing it up. When they all fight, they get nothing done. Gridlock. Thats less government.
          I say use the mechanisms the system still offers, for change.

          And for God’s sake, forget about any notions of party loyalty. They are not loyal to you.

          Vote them all out.

          Rob

    • John

      I totally agree with you. But, whether I agreed with you or not – it’s still the truth!

      • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

        How many times have been reported of “governments” being chased out of town by “farmers with pitchforks? These sayings did not come out of the blue, it is because something happened in our history and that was written down by someone. For example, what was this nonsence being fed, That my Grandfather was part ape. Well that ‘ape’ put his life on the line so you have the right to be deceived by corrupt people. After all, they put their pants on one leg at a time’, don’t they?

    • http://none Pat Mencke

      What a bunch of horse pucky!
      We have term limits. Whoever is telling this crap is not your friend.
      Bush took so many freedoms away from Americans and used you as one-issue voters to vote against your own rights. That’s abuse of power.
      We’ll never enough inspectors to do a thorough job of inspecting storage moving around America. How would we ever inspect everyone’s refrigerators? You are being played for fools. Use your head. Look it up. I believe you’ll find that nothing of the sort is going on in England.

      • D.

        Pat,
        you declare that Bush too so many freedoms away from Americans; and yet you do not describe even one!

        • D.

          too should be
          took

        • Judith

          The government can now put you in jail without a trial if they determine you are a threat to them. They can take your land to build a mall. They can take your money to pay their debt. They can do whatever they want when ever they want. If that isn’t removal of rights what is?

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          That is because he is a democrat, and all they can do is spew their opinions around, because they never deal in facts or truth. If they did, they would have to study things and get educated, and if they did that, they wouldnt have walked behind that little curtain and pulled the Obama lever now, would have they?

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Thats because Pat, (have you read any of his post’s here), is a left wing liberal pacifist appeasing pants wetting democrat, and thats what they do. 1.No one is entitled to have an opinion except them. 2. Its alway’s Bush’s fault. 3. Do as I say not as I do.

      • Fred

        Hey Pat Mencke Have you ever heard of hiring more people to make more Jobs? Yes more government jobs! That is what Obama is doing. Growing the size of government. If the UK can hire more people to do it Obama will, and this will be a priority for them unlike storage inspectors. Just think of all the new jobs he can get credit for and from your tax dollars.

        These are not one-issue votes. It is an ideology and morality that these so called one-issue votes are going for. In your mind it is a one-issue vote because you don’t have a moral bearing to chart your course with, the issues just look like dots on a map to you, instead of points to plot your course with.

        • Carolyn

          Same rhetoric, Pat…don’t waste your time.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        The only freedom I know of that Bush took away, if you call it a freedom, is to listen to my phone calls, which I wish they would tap every fricking one of us and find out who is planning ill fate upon us. Get these guys out of here, and if I have to let them listen in on my phone calls, no problem there. In fact I would welcome the government to come walk through my house and check out my legality, as long as they did it to everyone and got these illegals out of here. No problem. The freedoms I see the democrats taking away, is my freedom to keep the money I earn, as they want to tax the crap out of everyone, and want to take my money and give to to someone who doesnt want to work for it. I got a problem with that, OK. I dont need them to tell me what to do with my hard earned money. I am a very good and deep giver of the wealth God has given me, but that is between Him and I, and I dont need the government giving it to support a bunch of gays or terrorists or anyother group I dont want to be giving money too. But thats what they want to do, and if you dont believe that, you are a dirty filthy liar and deserve the crap they are going to heap on you. They are also taking away my freedom to live, as they did for all those that died in the World Trade Centers, as Bill Clinton paired down our military and our intelligence to the point where these guys came in, set up their shops, and did this dastardly deed, and now that Barry is in there, the same ugly thing is repeating itself. He is cutting down the military, which I know from talking to guys in there, and intelligence is getting cut, and stuff is going to get blown up, and I just hope since I live in a smaller town I dont get caught up in it, but many of you in bigger cities are having your lives endangered by these left wing pacifists who want to sit down and have dinner and a nice glass of wine with the terrorists from Hamas, from Al Quaeda, from Iran, from Syria, and everywhere else. These democrat cats are so damn pompous and conceited, they think they can actually sit down and talk with these guys, and give them bribes, money, and who knows what else, and these terrorists just take everything and walk away and laugh at us because of these appeasers. Soon they will start punching us in the nose as they did under Bill Clinton, again. Remember our guys getting dragged naked and dead throught the streets of Somalia? Remember when they first tried to take down the world trade centers by blowing up the basement of them? Remember all the guys they killed when they blew up our barracks in Lebanon? Remember when they blew up the USS Cole? And what did Bill Clinton do about this when he was president? He sat on his perverted ass playing with cigars with Monica Lewinski and I mean really, who really knows how many others there were. Hundreds, Im telling you hundreds. This guy did nothing at all, just stood there with a bloody nose waiting to get hit again. Mr. Bush I thank you for going after these goons and punching back, and keeping myself and my family safe for the last 8 years. Too bad these Idiots the uneducated of this country elected are soon to bring this to an end. All you liberals pat yourself on the back when the crap hits the fan, and it will, and dont even think about pointing the finger at the Bush administration, because this one, like 9-11 before it, is all on you. It will take them a couple of years to do this though, because Bush had in place the means to detect them and stop them, but your guys are going to bring that to an end, all because they just want to talk diplomatically with the nicey nicey terrorists. Uneducated Americans. Why are there so many of you.

        • Michelle

          Mark, all your remarks are right on TARGET!

        • Janice

          Mark, some of these ignorant ‘progressives’ were taught these really dumb things in our schools. Socialism is showing up in our classrooms at least from middle school through college. No wonder Obama wants us to pay for everyone to go to college. This is all a plan to turn us into a socialistic country to forment the 1 world government. I know this sounds unrealistic, but just connect the dots. Many of us want to vote out those that are voting for these bills, but if you look at how fast Obama is working, you get the sense that he is doing as much damage as he can before we wake up & before we can do anything about it. Just watch as more & more of our freedoms disappear & it will all happen this year.

        • Carolyn

          I totally agree that President Bush did a phenomenal job protecting us after 9-11. Again, none of that would have been necessary had Clinton done something after the first attack on WTC, the USS Cole, two US Embassies (wasn’t one in Kenya???). They were testing the waters. Clinton put on a light show. He proved our weakness and they took advantage of it. I don’t think they totally expected an American President to buck the UN council and do what needed to be done without their support and I think it shocked them a little. Are the pirate attacks another “testing the waters” as all the things under Clinton was?

          Here’s something else that mainstream media isn’t telling you. President Bush had a showdown with Pelosi and Reed (does anyone else think he sounds like Elmer Fudd besides me?) over the condition of Fannie May and Freddie Mack at least 2 years ago and they told him to stay out of it because FM (squared) were fine. Would you like to see that? There are several websites that carry archived Senate meetings on video.

          Everyone go ahead and blame President Bush, but when the world takes advantage of what is perceived to be a weak nation, don’t expect your president to protect you. It’s going to come down to us grassroots, gun toting, Bible thumping bitter people who fight for our freedoms for ya….

          Oh! Another little piece of information mainstream media doesn’t want you to know about. Detainees at Gitmo have gained an average of 20 pounds each. They’ve even named this “condition”. It’s called the Gitmo Gut. Torture? Ask POW’s like John McCain what real torture is. Geneva Convention is strictly adhered to. All “charges” against our Marine’s have been dropped…Gosh, maybe mainstream media was feeding the general public more garbage and they ate it up like starving birds….

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          To reply to Carolyn, also, when Mr. Bush did call for that investigation of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, who but Barney Frank, a big old democrat, who was in charge of the committee to oversee these things, said that no investigation was needed, as he and Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick werent done milking their millions out of it yet. So how our national press let these pharisee’s sit there and point the finger at the Bush administration for the bank failures, says loads and loads about the state our our media. When the truth is right there in front of them, they dont want to report it because the national news media and the democrats are the same guys, and they just will not report the truth if any of it is damning to them. The truth will set you free fellas, the truth will set you free.

      • Rob

        Bob Livingston was extrapolating. Based on what Obama did in the firing of the GM CEO, if the Federal Government has a stake in it, then they can dictate the terms.

        Do you really need it all spelled out for you?

        The President of the Untied States, fired a CEO of a private non government company. Much like in Facism and Socialism, you will see these types of things when the government controls “private” industry.
        Does that not bother you? The abridgement of power? Where does it end? It ends in your refridgerator. Or your underware drawer….Or a private “Probe”….
        Now is the time for BACKLASH!!

        • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

          I repeat, very soon they will be walking into your house and looking through your cupboards and telling you what you can and can’t eat. There goes any privacy.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          And now that Obamination is running GM, I believe an independant investigative unit after a spell, should take a look and see how much money Obama and his mates are funneling out of it, and just where they are sending it to, and whom. You and I both know its going on. Something sure smells fishy here.

        • Rob

          Well Mark you are right. But its complicated and difficult to tell ones true ambitions. What walks like a duck is not always a duck…

          Is Obama really trying to rescue the US economy, or is it a socialist highjacking?
          Its really hard to say… But none of this is good, thats for sure.

          There is corruption at the very highest levels of US government and its been that way for a long time. Thats for sure. Acorn and other favorites are sure to profit largely from this current crisis.

          I just am interested in what the Brits have at stake in all this? Why the interest Mark?

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        I have to agree, to disagree with you. Mr. Bush took zero freedoms away. If he did, you would have listed them. Keep your lefty anti american opinions to yourself, and resort to facts only here. I guess we wont be hearing from you anymore, unless of course you continue to expose your ignorance by spewing your opinions with no facts all over the place. And by the way, Ignorant doesnt mean your stupid ok, it just means you dont know. There is still time for you to get educated. Ignorance is not bliss.

      • Steve

        Term limits? Let’s see. How many years has Ted Kennedy served. And it doesn’t matter if they can’t check everyone’s refrigerator to the person’s they do check. Did you ever think there would be a day when the news media crushes a person because they gave their opinion that marriage is between a man and a woman. That’s just the beginning. Our rights are going down the tube with Obama.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Really, and the sad thing on that one, is that her opinion is the correct one according to God, and really, I for one, am smart enough to know that my arms are not long enough to box with Him. Nor do I want to. The Good Book says, “that in the end times, right will become wrong and wrong will become right”, and we dont have to look to far anymore to see this happening everywhere.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Yeah, and this shows how evil and biased the news media is. This girl didnt nothing but speak her opinion, and whether you or I or anyone agree, the last time I looked it was the United States of America where we are free to have an opinion, and have a freedom of the press. So why did Ted Kennedy get away with killing Mary Jo at Chappaquiddick, and the TV and newspaper coverage was minimal. Where was the newschannels and newspapers cries for his ouster? The democrats owned everything clear back then, and these propaganda machines lead people to believe the Republicans are the rich guys, when it just isnt true. The democrats are the rich bastards, and they want to keep it that way. Moral-less bastards.

    • Inventor

      This is nothing new, We have been “Plantation Slaves” for 100 years here in the
      “USA Plantation”. Don’t beleve me?? Just stop paying a single bill and “ZOOM” in the street you go and all you have sold at auction for pennys.

      • Rob

        Right. I have been calling this “The New Slavery” for years now.
        Very perceptive.

        • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

          This is good, I have been calling out the title of “volunteer slave labor” for several years.

    • http://TheGreatestThreat uponroof

      The greatest threat to freedom has always been GOVERNMENT.

      The reason this hard cold fact isn’t blatantly obvious to our neighbors given the incredible recent events, or reflected in polling data as well as other indicators is found in the (lack of) wisdom within people themselves. Never forget that this is the same country that made ‘Love Boat’ number one for 10 years in a row. We live in a country of people who are either stupid in the truest sense of the word or worse…’intelectually stupid’ (liberals).

      We shall get one very big government over the next 4 years and we shall see just how bad things can get. Yes, I’m loading up on gold and guns/ammo….and of course I’m clinging to my faith through this all…. How very silly of me.

      • Rob

        Good luck getting the ammo….

      • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

        Have you noticed the price of ammo lately. I actually saw a Walmart in Florida that ran out!

        • http://at&t B.Gear

          We have been running out of Ammo here for 3 months now in Missouri and Illinois. And it will not get any better. We have enjoyed our freedoms for so long now soon we will be buying ammo by the round instead of the box and then we will be right were they want us BG

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Any government big enough to give you everything, is also big enough to take it away. I believe that was Thomas Jefferson.

    • David Wright

      Senators and representatives should be limited to two terms, and there should be no lifetime pensions. Also, they should have to pay for their own healthcare. They should be required to be present for a minimun of 80% of the votes. They should not be able to get any money from companies or special interest groups, or for that matter, lobbyists. The same rules should be appiled to the president.

      • Lady Liberty

        Well said. It will never happen since it would take an act of Congress to pass it. Catch 22…………………..

    • Alberto

      Yeah, its more like russian roulette with all cylinders loaded…

      • SSG Prasuhn

        No……More like Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic or a fully-automatic.

        You have to make it a ‘NO BRINER’ for the ‘Dems’ to play this game fairly.

        ‘Nuff Said’,

        P.S. I’m NOT Republican either.

    • Edward

      It is already too late. America as we KNEW it is gone. The man who is in charge will be the man in charge for the rest of your life, a name change, color change, party change, etc. change, won’t change diddly. Get ready America, you will live in a cage or a cave, your choice. I have made mine, I will have bats for neighbors. But in the Gulag you will be fed, once a day, at least, I may miss many meals, but I will be free until they find me. After that, no chains will hold me.

      • SSG Prasuhn

        HoooAAAh!!!!

        ‘Nuff Said’,

    • Deborah

      Before my father died, I thanked him for teaching me how to think not what to think. You said so much in so little space, that is the attention span of individuals today, so it works well. Read the words American Citizen, think, ponder, follow YOUR feelings. Want to be afraid…I believe all the people on earth were sent by GOD to help each other….And now I have come to the conclusion…The free will we have all been blessed with is Exactly that…It’s not GOD’S will that has caused all that we are witness to…….IT IS OUR OWN. Each individual has their own personl task, that no one else can do…Stand up we are all a piece of a GRAND PUZZLE, without all the piece’s the picture will never be seen, and Heaven on Mother Earth will never be realized. Think of all of those who have come before you…Who gave their blood, sweat, tears, life and limb for liberty. Wake up NOW!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        And our very own liberal left continues to throw them under the bus with their words and actions. Its a fact, and shame on you that do this. Shame on you.

    • Deborah

      I replied to you s.c. May 5th 2009 at 6:02 AM but it was put out of place. Sort of took the intended sting out of my punch. Oh well

    • Michael Shea

      This is all ridiculous. This is just another case of fear tactics to stop
      health care reform. The health care system is not working and will never
      work under the present system. The insurance providers are making out
      like bandits same as the oil companies. It is the present insurance companies
      that tell us what doctor we can see. There are too many deductibles and
      too many claims denied. Gov. run insurance that is not for profit will work
      much better. There are 39 other countries who have universal healthcare
      and their people live longer than ours. It is just fear tactics by the insurance
      companies and the most wealthy who put out fear to stop reform. They have
      it made the way things are now so they do not want change, but the 95%
      of the rest of us need it to stay out of bankruptcy and loosing of our homes.
      95% of all bankruptcies are due to medical cost according to NPR. Not
      credit cards. Yes we need Goverment for we the people not lobyyist for
      corporations. I say everyone should tell your Congressman and you two Senotors to vote
      for real healthcare reform which is choice.
      Mike

    • Frank Vozenilek

      One of the greatest issues facing our nation today, I believe anyway, is the abuse of power. Abuse of power across the board. Whether that abuse is political, judicial, medical, financial, economic, social, cultural, racial, sexual, or in business, is completely irrelavant. What’s happening today in our Great Country is a complete reversal of authority and power structure.
      What I mean by that phrase is I guess best illustrated by what I propose is no longer in effective control. One example is executive boards made up of people who are supposed to be in control of and responsible for the execution of a large company’s decisions and control. Yet, individual executives manage to gain exhorbatant bonuses at the expense of lost jobs. Senior executives manage millions of dollars in salaries while the firm loses money? I suggest that unless there is an abuse of power through some illicit effort, there would be no way those men and women would normally remain employed.
      Next. Looking at the the American social and cultural world(s). We are running scared of gangs, hoodlums, out of control teens/children and a virtually bankrupt education system. Our education system itself is being controlled by political correctness instead of correctness in education. Our educators are teaching in fear of either their students, parents, or boards of education. They are being forced to teach politically correct subjects, cultural sensitivity, and sex education over the practicals of “reading, writing, and ‘rithmatic,” as was formally focused on. For example, in high school, I learned to balance a checkbook. Today, American college students don’t know how to do this task. BUT . . . they are aware of the AIDS crisis in Africa, Nelson Mandela, Bono, Cher, and Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie and Madonna’s “heroic” adoptions of Third World children. All the while being outpaced educationally by India, China, Japan, Germany, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and other nations. Elementary school students can hardly explain what happened to the 7th Cavalry at the Battle of Little Bighorn River. That the cavalry soldiers under Gen. George A. Custer were hacked apart while many were still alive. That they were scalped while still alive. Disemboweled, disfigured and stripped naked as ways of degrading the dead men. But many of them know about the First and Second Wounded Knee, Sand Creek, the Trail of Tears. They are well aware of Black and Hispanic History Months, Gay Pride (now, thanks to books like “Michael’s Two Daddies”) and other pop culture so-called important subjects. While even elementary children have learned to intimidate teachers and bully classmates, steal from each other and yet, still can’t read, write, add, subtract, multiply and divide. And why? Because the educator has to devote their time to insignificant subjects.
      But don’t be patriotic, Conservative, a hunter, Christian, respectful or obedient to parents and/or elders and DO NOT resist the gangs. Don’t show a lack of concern for “political correctness.” Or try to genuinely get an education. And oh my gracious, never, ever, admit to resistance toward social or government managed healthcare! Oh my! You might as well be a traitor. In spite of the fact social healthcare costs millions, creates problems, opens avenues for major corruption, stifles research, turns away patients in the event of professional shortages, does not promote healthcare professional education by the choicest for the field. Why? In managed healthcare, professional wages are often limted if not froze at specific levels/specialties causing not merely a stifling of motivation, but a complete smothering of any motivation toward being trained as a healthcare professional.
      Thank you for allowing me to have my say. I apologize so much is only my opinion, but it is an opinion from experience having seen so much of this taking place.
      With respect,
      Frank C. Vozenilek, Sr.
      U.S. Army (Ret.)

  • Joe Hooker

    Once we had a president, who said a few things that are VERY relavent today.
    One of them was that the tree of liberty needs watered with blood every once in a while.
    Another was that it’s not only our right, but our duty to overthrow our own government should it become tyranical.
    The president?
    Thomas Jefferson.
    Joe

    • ELLIS

      RIGHT ON!!!! SHOULD THIS BECOME REAL, MAY WE WIN!!!

    • Bob Velon

      An insurrection is what we need and I think is coming. We have a socialist and it appears a dictator. How long before he starts his own civilian defense force which he calls the Brown Shirts. Sound familiar. Maybe his rold model is Hitler.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        That aint funny, this loser the uneducated elected, has allready considered how to install a civilian defense. True fact. He also used to be called Barry, before he went on his Muslim quest in Africa with his muslim daddy, and came back as Barrack. He said things were against his muslim faith, and had to be corrected. He sat and listened to a racist preacher rant about evil white people for 20 years, and until people started asking questions about it, did he distance himself from it to save face. He had crooked dealings with Rezko in Illinois, and actually, any politician coming out of the Chicago area with democratic ties, aint quite clean if you know what I mean. Hell man, Kennedy wasnt even from Illinois, but being a democrat had thousands of dead people there vote for him, enabling him to beat Nixon in a close election. This guy is as dirty as my underwear would be if I wore it a week straight. The stench is obvious, all the false truths and half truths, the double talk, the muslim connection, the Illinois mob connections, and it is truly scary that there are so many stupid uneducated Americans that can be led astray by the democrat propaganda they put on all the TV stations and in the newspapers, and people believed it, without seeking the truth, they just bought hook, line and sinker what these guys sold them on this change-change-change thing. If there are really this many easily swayed undeducated people around, it wont be hard for the Islamic factions or the commie factions to soon get their propaganda machine to where they can sway all these losers also, then we all get to pay. Thank you you dumb left wing, environmentalist, carbon footprint, vegan, pacifist, global warming, appeasers, anti American democrats, for the harm you are doing. Unbelievable.

        • Bob Velon

          All I can say Mark is AMEN!!! The stupid people who elected him do not have a clue. Unless he legally changed his name he is Barry Soetorro. He is not even a U.S. citizen and does not meet Article 2 Section 1 of our Constitution which he trashed when he was elected and is a usuper and imposter. I hope those that put him power cry themselves to sleep every night with regret.

        • TeresaE

          “Thank you you dumb left wing, environmentalist, carbon footprint, vegan, pacifist, global warming, appeasers, anti American democrats, for the harm you are doing. Unbelievable.”

          Mark, I love ya’ man.

          I hate to be crude, but shock seems to be the only thing that wakes up citizens.

          Screw the children with stupid parents, screw the baby seals, screw the whales, the ice shelves, the EPA, China, “health care for all”, immigration, pollution controls.

          We need to quit worrying about saving a statistically unimportant life, in an already over crowded world, to save our freedom.

          We need to allow Darwinism to work. Blunt, but true.

          Quit protecting stupid people and quit rewarding failure. Quit shoving jobs to Mexico & China under the guise of less pollution, which then turns into 1970 pollution but in a foreign, uncontrollably country.

        • Lady Liberty

          Hey Mark, you don’t need to tell Obamas life story to rally the troops. His balant disregard for The Constitution is evidence enough that he is not 100% American. The voters made a grave mistake if they thought there would be ‘change’. It’s business as usual on the hill and in The White House.

        • SSG Prasuhn

          Can only make one simple comment to this…..

          AMEN!!!

          ‘Nuff Said’,

      • Rob

        After the passage of the rights shredding Patroit Act, I thought the same about Bush.

        Bush, Obama, Facism, Socialism, whats the difference??

        • Bob Velon

          The difference is Bush was a legal citizen of the United States. The usurper isn’t. You dumb assholes elected him on his words of “change” and now your getting the change. The usurper is a socialist dictator and his Idol was more than likely Hitler. His whole administration is inept and incompetent. If you had dreams of holding your hand out to get it filled with what ever you desire dream again kiddo….. Your in it for the long haul and you ain’t gonna like what you see or get……

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          The difference is, for proof you can see, wait until he has his 4 years to screw things up, and these terrorists cats get their shops set up and start blowing up crap again. They know our eyes are now closed, and the pacifist appeasers are in power. They will probably get all kind of things set up, then wait until 2012 after a Republican takes office, so that the dumb uneducated Americans will think its the republicans fault. The big difference you ought to see now, is Bush took the fight to these bastards, and has them on their heels, running, but now Obama is here, ready to sit down and have a steak and a glass of wine with them, and talk, because you know, he snow balled the americans with change change change, why not the terrorists? Right.

        • Rob

          Ah, gee Bob, what part of my comparison of socialism and facism led you to believe I supported Obama?
          My point was I don’t see much difference between Bush and Obama. All big government solutions and gross overspending.

        • Rob

          Mark, I don’t think so. I think any would be terrorists know by now what the republican military response would be.
          When Bush went into Afganistan, he did the right thing. When Bush went into Iraq, he totally lost his focus.

        • Edward

          None that I can see. I was a dyed in the wool Repub until the patriot act made me wonder if Dubya hadn’t gone entirely too far. He had. I am sorry America but I was one of “them” that pissed in the pool.

        • Rob

          Me too Edward. I also voted Bush in 2000. After I learned he was spying on Americans without warrents, that was it for me. Bush was a republican. A republic means we are a nation of laws, and no men are above them. Except Bush….
          You’re right, Bush went too far.
          Obama will be worse, but in a different way.

      • Vladimir Ulyanov

        Right on-

        These people are not Socialists, Fascists, communists or Progressives, but truly Crypto-fascist/Bolsheviks.

        They feed us Goebbels style propaganda “spin” whie they institute Fascist/Socialist (the same thing) social organization on us under the threat of Fascist/Nazi type reprisal if we resist.

    • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

      I am a 51 yr young Veteran of the Navy during Viet Nam, but I am ready to bare arms.

      • http://at&t B.Gear

        Also a vet of Vietnam and I already Bare arms BG

        • SSG Prasuhn

          DITTO!!
          A Vet. of the ‘Veit Nam’ Era (got stationed in Germany instead of Nam) and finally retired, but have NOT forgotten any of what I learned about how to ‘destroy the enemy’.

          That ‘oath’ (of enlistment) we all took when we joined the military?? Well, I took it (the first time) some 44 years ago, then again in 1977. Well, when I retired from ‘Active Duty’, THAT ‘Oath’ was NOT retired. I STILL hold to it 100% today — and ALWAYS WILL!! To wit:…..

          “I, (state your name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

          (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

          Remember that guys (and gals)??

          However, I make only ONE change as I ‘hold to that oath’ today…I ‘CHOOSE’ whom I feel to be (QUALIFIED) to fill the ‘Role’ of President, as to whether I will OBEY (His/Her) orders. And it sure as hell isn’t the ‘body’ currently in that slot!

          The KEY phrase that I ‘adhere’ to is …”against ALL ENEMIES foreign or domestic”… It seems to me that (today) MOST of our enemies are DOMESTIC (our current government, gay rights, the ACLU, Pelosi and her ilck, etc.). Need I say more?

          And here folks is the oath taken (and sworn to) by the President of The United States…..

          “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

          Did you get that? …’faithfully execute the office of…and will ‘to the best of my ability’, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Apparently, NONE of them seem to be doing their ‘best‘ to ‘protect and defend’ the *Constitution of The United States.

          Guess ‘that’ OATH just went in one ear and out the other. Or, should I make that….In one mouth and out the other?

          ‘Nuff Said’,

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Kill em all, let God sort em out. I dont believe in violence, but brother when it comes down to kill or be killed, they gotta go.

        • keith

          ooyaaahhhh! i see so many are already freightened into silence,several have already voiced their fears that govt agencies will come for them if they speak their mind,it’s a sad and fearful thing when a citizen of a country has to be afraid of what he says or the fear of prosecution.i’m a patriot and a true blooded AMERICAN,and they’ll not shut me up untill they put me against a wall or have to take me out and pull down my flag. now is the time to get a spine and not cringe in a corner like a freightened cur dog. stand straight,look into the face of oppression and tyranny and spit in it! we all need to follow what was said of those who fought at iwo-jima…
          UNCOMMON VALOR WAS A COMMON VIRTUE!

  • t. tinsman

    Bob, We need to connect dots. Problem is the dots are very big. I call them points if treason……

    I’ve also heard that the govt census is being taken by Acorn ? How is it a arm of a party ( dems) can do this without bias ? or legally? Also, I’ve heard that in this census, they are placing GPS locaters on all homes ( doors)..if true, why?

    Very concerned, a 64 yr old….
    I want my country back.

    • Lady Liberty

      The secular-progressives are responsible for stealing our freedom. Groups like Acorn, the ACLU and MoveOn.org are just ‘fronts’ for an evil network that is funded by Soros and Lewis. They have a plan that is well underway and will take our American vales and our country from us.

      • John

        Where are the conservatives during this hostile takeover of our beloved America?
        If all the churches, believers, and conservatives united together, we could put an end to this insanity that is going on in Washington DC. Our freedom is being taken from us one policy at a time! And, it’s headed by a man that won’t provide a birth certificate to prove he’s a natural born citizen of the US. We are experiencing high treason right before our very eyes. God, help us!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          That is our biggest problem John, is that the liberal left-wing democrats dont want God to be allowed anywhere. All though He is our breath and our live, our only hope, these anti american godless people, think its a hate crime to tell the truth that God says “for a man to lie with another man as he would with a woman is an abomination to the Lord”. The Good Book, the Holy Bible tells us this, but this current administration wants to pass laws that if a preacher is doing a series or a one time sermon that touches on the topic of homo-sexuality, that he can be jailed for a hate crime, for telling the simple God given truth. God’s hand is slowly being removed from this country, and the more and more the left make us perverted and decadent, we will crumble as did the Greek Empire, the Roman Empire and the Medo-Persian Empires before us, whom all grew so perverted and decadent that God handed them over to a lesser enemy. Learn from history folks, or you are doomed to repeat it. Call me a “Bible Thumper” if you want to, but truth is the truth, and those of you that think there is no God, and you want to live like Sodom and Gomorrah, well, it didnt turn out to good for them. Again, learn from history or you are doomed to repeat it. You put Bill Clinton in there, and while he slept in office, with all those different women no doubt, the enemy came and set up shop, and blew up the World Trade Centers on 9-11. Now you same dummies put another left wing appeaser pacifist in there. Again, if you dont learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. Im glad I dont live in a big city, but Ill pray for those that do. Its coming, as our leaders are once again asleep in their prideful arrogance, that they can sweet talk these guys like they did the uneducated Americans to get elected. These guys wont buy into your change-change-change thing though, because they are pacifist anti war appeasers. They are cold blooded terrorists, and they want you and I dead, and our current leaders want to sit down and have lunch and a glass of wine with them. Nice. Real Nice. Folks, please do me and all of American a really big huge favor. Next time you get the opportunity, to step into that little voting booth, beforehand, study and little bit and get some back ground on the candidates and who they are and what they stand for, and what kind of a person they are, before you pull that little lever. Get educated please.

        • Rob

          Where are the conservatives, {do you mean Republicans?} during this hostile takeover?? You have got to be kidding me…

          Busy writing the next draft of the Patroit Act, or wiretapping you with no warrent. Its not the Democrats, its not the Republicans……ITS BOTH PARTIES!!! BOTH PARTIES are taking us down!

          RISE ABOVE IT. SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS.

          STOP PLAYING the Democrat vs Republican stupid blame game.

          ON THE BIG ISSUES, DEMOCRATES AND REPUBLICANS ARE THE SAME!
          They just employ different methods. Some overt, some subtile.

          Wise up…

        • Rob

          John, we experienced high treason when George Bush stole the election in 2000.
          This is simply more of the same, comendeering of government.

          If all the Churches, believers and conservatives united together, John, John!, what would we then have? Come on, you must have an answer….

          We would then have a 1 party system!

          Would that be better than the dysfunctional 2 party system that does not serve us that we have now?

          I hardly think so…

          The founders believed in seperation of power. Thats a sound concept.
          Getting rid of the opposition never helped government.

          What you are really looking for my misguided fool, is real opposition, not this republican party business as usual crap….
          Get a clue.
          Religion is for home, not for government!

        • Lady Liberty

          WHEN THE CONSERVATIVES SPEAK UP THEY ARE LABELLED AS RACISTS AND BIGOTS OR, IN THE CASE OF BARNEY FRANK, AS HOMOPHOBES……………………………

        • Whizzie

          John – you are right on. All this wonderful “twitter” is interesting to read, but the bottom line is we have to get out there and work for 2010. Vet and Support good candidates and make sure ACORN doesn’t infiltrate our communities, and swing the elections. And put our words into serious actions. I have sent more e-mails, faxes, and phone calls to Washington in the last 3 months than I have in the last 65 years!! And I’m not sure I’m making any impact whatsoever. I joined a Tea Party celebration, had a wonderful time, and found out the next day that Napolitano labeled me a right wing extremeist!! Well, I AM and damn proud of it!

        • Smilee

          Mark

          A bible thumper to me is one who uses the bible to spin their own views on how to control and punish those whose sins you find deplorable while being very touchy of any mention of their your sins, you do not seem to see your own sins as equally as deplorable as theirs. I see you as a very angry man who vents hatred on those who sins you view as being far worse than your own. Do not bear false witness against your neighbor. I personally know many liberals who are true believers neither anti American or godless and have no objection to or want God excluded, however because they are Christians they also believe they should respect the religious beliefs of those that may not agree with them or are not Christians and as the Constitution can not select one religious belief over another due to the first amendment you can not be allowed to allow God in areas that are owned by the public because you as well as those who disagree with you have equal rights to these areas. This is very different than not wanting God allowed as you assert. You quote the Bible on some things but ignore parts of the Bible that are more relevant to many of these issues. I am a democrat and I am a christian and it is clear from your statements here that you do not appear as educated as you want us to believe and further I am very educated but un like you I respect others freedoms. As Christians I believe we are to withness for him but we are not required to be his juries, judges or executioners. I do not think we disagree on what is sin, it just you appear to see others sins as far worse that your own which I do not believe they are. If you cannot respect all of God’s children, be careful of thowing stones if you live in glass houses.

          Mark Reply:
          May 5th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

          That is our biggest problem John, is that the liberal left-wing democrats dont want God to be allowed anywhere. All though He is our breath and our live, our only hope, these anti american godless people, think its a hate crime to tell the truth that God says “for a man to lie with another man as he would with a woman is an abomination to the Lord”. The Good Book, the Holy Bible tells us this, but this current administration wants to pass laws that if a preacher is doing a series or a one time sermon that touches on the topic of homo-sexuality, that he can be jailed for a hate crime, for telling the simple God given truth. God’s hand is slowly being removed from this country, and the more and more the left make us perverted and decadent, we will crumble as did the Greek Empire, the Roman Empire and the Medo-Persian Empires before us, whom all grew so perverted and decadent that God handed them over to a lesser enemy. Learn from history folks, or you are doomed to repeat it. Call me a “Bible Thumper” if you want to, but truth is the truth, and those of you that think there is no God, and you want to live like Sodom and Gomorrah, well, it didnt turn out to good for them. Again, learn from history or you are doomed to repeat it. You put Bill Clinton in there, and while he slept in office, with all those different women no doubt, the enemy came and set up shop, and blew up the World Trade Centers on 9-11. Now you same dummies put another left wing appeaser pacifist in there. Again, if you dont learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. Im glad I dont live in a big city, but Ill pray for those that do. Its coming, as our leaders are once again asleep in their prideful arrogance, that they can sweet talk these guys like they did the uneducated Americans to get elected. These guys wont buy into your change-change-change thing though, because they are pacifist anti war appeasers. They are cold blooded terrorists, and they want you and I dead, and our current leaders want to sit down and have lunch and a glass of wine with them. Nice. Real Nice. Folks, please do me and all of American a really big huge favor. Next time you get the opportunity, to step into that little voting booth, beforehand, study and little bit and get some back ground on the candidates and who they are and what they stand for, and what kind of a person they are, before you pull that little lever. Get educated please.

    • K. Coulter

      Just thought I’d let you know the census people were at our house last Friday. They did not put a GPS locater on our door but did put the coordinates of our house in a GPS. Again why? I do not think the government needs this kind of information either.
      I believe people need to remember the government works for us not the other way around. More TEA parties are planned and I think every American should join at least one. We will not go down without a fight.

      • Judith

        Agreed. All those privite companies doing government business is for profit not our best interests.

        Emanuel decided the census should be controlled by him and not be political is a sign or the corruption in DC.

      • Bob Velon

        They did that so they know what house to go to when they want to goose step up your front porch to search for guns…… It’s coming….

        • SSG Prasuhn

          Let ‘em come! You come to my door with ill intent and uninvited (government or no government) — YOU’RE DEAD!!!

          The last thing your’ll hear after ringing my doorbell (or worse…breaking in my door) is…….B A N G ! ! ! B A N G ! ! ! — YOU’RE DEAD!!!

          ‘Nuff Said’,

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Fricking ACORN. How can such an un-American organization exist in the country, and what they do not be considered a hate crime? How can the ACLU exist, and what they do against Christians and God not be considered a hate crime? Weve got it all wrong, so so wrong.

      • Seth

        Totally Agree.

      • Seth

        Having read the majority of comments here, I truly believe revolution may now be on the way. I am obsolutely ill about this government. The pure evil stench has reached all homes. What kind of of people will be left after the Rapture. Nothing but sheep for the
        Commie Islamic Obamite Neoprogressive. ( COIN) to use against Israel. Coin(change
        you can believe in)…. my ass.

        • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

          There is one factor left out: Look through out HIS STORY and see that God is the final authority in this mess, and there is not a single person on this earth that has the right to stand up against Him. I’ve seen Him take down people who said, “Look what I have built.” It took less than two years for this man to reach total homelessness. I know, He is sleeping on my couch.

      • Lady Liberty

        BECAUSE WE TURN A BLIND EYE AND LET IT HAPPEN. LOOK AT THE MEMBERSHIP ROLLS OF ACORN AND THAT WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

      • Smilee

        Because we are a country that gives freedom to all and it is not your place to deny that freedom to even those that you despise or hate. It is you who has it wrong wishing to deny them the freedoms they will allow you as I have never seen an Acorn member say these things about you and those who believe what yo do.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          If you are an Acorn member, then fact is you are anti-American, anti free speech, and want everything your parties way, without the other party allowed the same freedoms. You guys cheat big time and you know it. That is anti-American. I would be ashamed to belong to such an organization, but thats just me. I would be ashamed to belong to the ACLU, and again thats just me. But Ive got to stand for something, and I do. These groups are highly immoral, and I find them to be a stench on America, me and millions of others.

        • Smilee

          reply to: Mark Reply:
          July 13th, 2009 at 7:04 am

          Mark
          Assumptions, I’m not a member of Acorn or the ACLU, have never told you what party I’m a member of, other than I told you I voted for Obama but that does not mean I am a member of his party, You do stand for something, part of that is you stand for hate of those you do not agree with and thus you have a very distorted view of most every thing. The group that calls themselves conservatives today and now say they are no longer republicans are engaged in distortions and lies and to me this is much more immoral and a stench and a cancer on America than any of these organizations you mention, to listen to you guys Acorn is involved in all kinds of things they have nothing or little to do with but you keep piling it on, truth be dammed. Hatred will do that to you, and when some of us try to tone down the wild rhetoric with reason and civil discourse we get slammed by you people filled with hate as you are incapable of communicating on this level and need a whipping boy to express your self. Yes, there are millions of you but in the last few years a much less portion of the total I think now about 21% and that is quite a shrunken minority and this frustration has ramped up your rhetoric and hatred, Very Sad, tolerance is Key, it starts by listening to the other guy and treating him with respect rather than, without facts, accusing them of being anti-american,cheats, immortal etc, especially when you have no facts to support it. Anti-American is not someone who does not agree with you and exercises their freedoms in way you wish to squash. That should be left for the ballot box in silence, and in the last two elections the conservatives and republicans have lost big time, so they call them names and accuse them of all kinds of terrible things when they know must of them are lies. I’m 68 years old and I remember when the fights in the political arena where just as intense as now but the difference then was there was civil discourse and respect from both sides and not this childish approach like we see so much today in these type of blogs and other places. TOLERANCE, try it you may like it. Love thy enemies!!!!! Will not hurt you and it may even make you a better man.

    • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

      No they are not “placing” GPS trackers. They are using GPS locators to verify that the address is correct. Nothing more. I am a friend of a young lady involved in that. But get this; in a class of 25 people (training in use of the GPS), 2 were men.

    • SSG Prasuhn

      No reason for GPS systems on the (doors to) homes. Each building (anywhere in the world) is already ‘located’. Try doing a ‘Google’ of your home address and see what comes up. You’ll be truly AMAZED at what you find.

      The data you may have read about being entered into the GPS systems carried by the ‘Census Takers’ is most probably a means of ‘confirming’ the location of the ‘house’ address and to (supposedly – I’m guessing) keep the census ‘legit’ (no ‘double-dipping’ on the same address).

  • John Beach

    We can put a stop to this. Just sue them in the name of and for the benefit of the People’s Republic of China and put them right out of business. It is no less sensible or patriotic than what they are trying to do.

  • Robin from Indiana

    I would like to know if all those who have health care now, which I carry for my family through my employer, and pay quite a little bit for it, what would happen if I choose not to insure my family? I would rather not have to pay out of pocket for health care. Obama has a way of rushing things. It’s his way of getting things the way he wants them. If anyone knows if there is a income restriction or whatever the basis of this reform is going to be, it would be great to know. I believe that the health care providers, whether they be doctors, or hospitals, are not going to be pleased with these changes either.

    • Judith

      Obamas health plan with insurance companies is not what Americans want. They said that over and over. The rush is always the con in DC.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        His is a piss poor black man. He was a piss poor community organizer, a piss poor basketball player, a piss poor Senator who did nothing but collect bribes and dirty money, and he is a piss poor president. What were you people thinking? Change. Right.

        • Smilee

          Mark

          I think these statements of yours proves my point that you do really hate this man. I believe that although he cannot be considered real rich he is far form poor, Where is the evidence he was a poor organizer, those whom he helped say differently. I will not comment on the rest of your hateful statements as they are just your opinions of which the majority of the people in this country do not agree with you on. It is change you will have to live with

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I know Smilee, when he gets done, all Ill have left is change. That is a fact. I make 50 thousand a year, and Im considered rich in his eyes. Well, not really his eyes, his parties eyes.

    • Lady Liberty

      i WOULD IMAGINE THAT HEALTH CARE PREMIUMS WOULD COME OUT OF YOUR PAYCHECK AS A % OF WHAT YOU EARN. THE MORE YOU EARN THE MORE YOU PAY. THAT’S HOW IT WORKS IN THE UK. AMERICANS THINK THAT IT WILL BE FREE. WELL, IT WILL BE FOR THOSE THAT DON’T WORK. ANOTHER CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THOSE THAT ARE WILLING TO WORK WILL PROVIDE FOR THOSE THAT ARE NOT. OH, BY THE WAY, YOU WILL ALSO BE PAYING THE COST FOR ILLEGALS.

      • Smilee

        reply to: Lady Liberty Reply: May 6th, 2009 at 7:47 am

        Lady Liberty

        Nobody thinks it will be free, those in most other countries know that too, the difference being they do it at half the cost with better outcomes and cover all citizens. Some do it with taxes but then there are no premiums to pay. Today in the US for those with coverage that premium is about a $3,000.00 per family per month, they do not pay that in these other countries and if their tax portion reflects their medical costs at half that amount, it would then average about $1,500.00 per month per family there. When I talk to friends and relatives in some of these countries (including the UK) they think we are nuts the way we deliver medical care in the US. The US is now 37th from the top in health care outcomes. The question should be what are we doing wrong??? Why should it cost so much more here????? It amazes me that you people are more interested in supporting a failed system rather than finding solutions to this problem. Each paying the same proportion (percentage) for medical costs is equality, same=equal. It appears you feel that the disabled and elderly or any who who are unable to work should be denied these benefits. For those who can’t work, how would you suggest they pay for their medical coverage????? Or should we just let them suffer or worse just die. Does selfish=liberty for all, Lady Liberty

  • Too Afraid to Say

    As I watch, listen and read the news of what Obama, et al. are doing to our Country, I am in total disbelief. With the new hate crime law, the takeover of private corporations, the usurpation of the presidency by an incompetent man who will not reveal his country of birth, and on and on, I am saddened by what I see. Last night, I prayed for this Country and its citizens for we are being taken over by the most perverted, corrupt government I have seen in my lifetime. The fast-tracking of legislation and ignoring the rights of the people, we are witnessing the slow death of our nation as we “older ones” have known it and enjoyed the freedoms it offered. If something doesn’t happen soon, we will be policed from the moment we wake up til the moment we go to sleep, they will come and take our children from us and force them into an education where they will indoctrinated with their propoganda. I have never even vacationed out of the country, but now, I’m looking for a safe place to move to OUT OF THE COUNTRY. God Save Us for We May Not be able to Save Ourselves. We must unite now or look back in sorrow for what we let slip through our fingers. Think of our children and their children, don’t we want the same freedoms for them as we enjoyed???

    • John

      Amen!

      • Too Afraid to Say

        Thank you John. I worry everyday about our nation and our children. I have lived for 50 years as a free “person” and able to go about my life pursuing my dreams and ambitions. If I didn’t succeed, it was my own fault. Now, I fear we will not have the freedom to pursue our dreams, but we will be forced to work for the dreams of our government and as we already know, they do not have the working people in their realm of dreams…we are the dumbies who will be working to give to those who don’t work what they dream of. I have already submitted retirement papers where I work so I won’t be taxed more and more and pay for those who do not work. So, I am taking actions to reduce my taxes now instead of waiting until it’s too late to do so. Thanks, Obama…since you’ve taken office, I am leaving my job to avoid your excessive taxation and will live a life of relaxation pursuing my new dreams and ambitions in a different way…

        • II Chronicles 7:14 – gives us the solution!. R U listening?

          Too Afraid to Say,
          I don’t want to rain on your parade, but please familiarize yourself with H.R. 1444 which goes the next step where H.R.1388 (GIVE Act, aka, ‘B.O. Youth Corps) leaves off. It contains ‘Mandatory Volunteerism’ for youth AND SENIORS starting at the age of 55 yrs. The GIVE Act is now law just signed by B.O. in April. Following it up now in Congress is H.R. 1444. It puts a whole new perspective on what we always thought would be the ‘golden years’.

          There is nowhere to run but to God in repentance for having taken His blessings for granted, selfish living, the slaughter of our youngest and most vulnerable and kicking Him out of our lives, schools, halls of power, and yes, even from our churches where pastors have exchanged their freedom of speech for a tax-exemption.

          II Chronicles 7:14 gives the solution….R WE LISTENING? Our God is rich in mercy if we but turn back to Him. A broken, contrite heart He will not turn away.

        • Lady Liberty

          H.R. 14444: To establish the Congressional Commission on Civic Service to study methods of improving and promoting volunteerism and national service, and for other purposes. H.R. 1388: The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act: A bill entitled “The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, an Act to reauthorize and reform the national service laws.”

    • Rob

      Well Too Afraid To Say, this new development did not just happen overnight.
      Each Administration lays the groundwork for the next. With each new abuse of power, that goes unpunished, the next Administration assumes it can push a little further.
      I am simply amazed that people are so stunned at all the new changes going on under Obama.

      Where was your shock when Bush was gutting the Bill of Rights?
      Bush was a conservative, and in your small mind, you think conservatives preserve individual rights, so you were not paying attention.

      Go back to sleep. You have no business waking up now. Its too late.
      By giving Bush a pass, and all the others before him, you signaled to an upcoming Barak Obama and democratic party, that they could in fact pull off this most grevious abridgement of rights.
      Too late…

      • Too Afraid to Say

        Well, I haven’t given anyone a pass. I don’t understand why you have to be so condescending? You don’t know me and you assume I have given Bush a pass. I am as upset with Bush as anyone. If you think for one moment that I have been asleep, then you’re wrong. But, of course, some people just want to put others in a slot and ignore their right to feel and express those feelings in whatever way they do. Just because we have differing opinions, so be it. You can put me down, say whatever you want, but I truly care what happens to the rights of individuals. Where in my post did I give anyone a pass? Your assumptions about me are dead wrong. You go back to sleep and when you wake up, I hope it is with a better disposition.

        • Rob

          I am sorry Too Afraid to Say. I misjudged you.

          Its just that I get so sick of hearing all this new outrage from conservatives about lost rights. We have been losing our rights through gradualism for a long time.

          I didn’t mean to take it out on you, I guess I was just taking a swing at everyone thats been irritating me.

          Actually judging from you last comment, I would say your veiws concerning our present political situation are closer to mine than most people’s.

          Sorry dude.

      • Lady Liberty

        It’s never too late. We can reverse the direction but it will take Patriotic Americans whose family roots go back to the early days of our nation. We have allowed our country to be dilluted with people that have no love for our founding fathers………………. To deem a child born in this country, to parents that are non-citizens, an American Citizen is suicide. We are reaping what we have sown and it is biting us in the butt.

        • Rob

          You are exactly right Lady Liberty. Parts of my family have been here since the beginning.
          I just don’t know that there are enough of us.
          We need to post more solutions on just how to accomplish this.
          Keep voting them out of office, and keep pressuring them. And no more party loyalty.

        • Bob Velon

          Well Lady Liberty it is going to take Patriots who will stand up and fight to regain this country. That will be the only way you can reverse direction. The Dumborats are still standing in line for their handouts. Now that they are in control we will pay for it and they will continue to take any and all rights away from us and bend the constitution to their desire.

    • SSG Prasuhn

      Well…If the distance is of no consequence and you like warm weather, mild breezes, the beach, enjoy a leisurely life-style and not in a hurry to get everything done and can speak (some) French — TAHITI is a ‘very’ nice place! Even if you don’t speak French, ‘they’ speak pretty good English (mosthly due to the tourist trade from all the cruise ships coming into port).

      The GREATEST thing about Tahitit — besides the ocean, beaches, warm water, etc.????? NO LAWYERS!!! It’s all run by ‘tribal law’, even though they are under ‘French Rule’ — Much like American Samoa or the Phillipines are (under) ‘American Rule’. It’s BEAUTFUL there!!! Guaranteed!!
      (or at least it was in 2003) And, I believe your retirement dollar will go farther.

    • Smilee

      Too Afraid to Say on May 5th, 2009 at 9:21 am:

      Well older one I am eighteen years older than you and find your assessment of things totally incorrect. He has his birth certificate posted on his website, factcheck.org has verified it and the courts have dismissed the law suits brought by those who believe as you do for lack of evidence. What does it take to convince you you are wrong on this?? if you cannot believe this with the facts so overwhelming it is not hard to understand your conclusions on all else you write about here. If you do actually move out of the County let me be amongst the first to wish you a very nice life and I hope it has the same freedoms you abandoned.

  • http://fseymour@cox.net Frank Seymour

    I am dead set against Obama and his Democratic Party! Don’t get me wrong, there are some Republicans that aren’t much better; but Obama and Reid and Pelosi are either Communists or they are the most ANTI-AMERICAN politicians this government has ever allowed in office! I don’t believe Obama is in office legally. He is spending millions to keep his birth certificate and birth place, a secret from the American people! Doesn’t that alone turn-on a light bulb in someones brain, that this individual is hiding something! This Democratic Party doesn’t want to govern this nation along with the American people! They want total control over everything! They want to RULE this country! If the American people and the few honest politicians we may have left, don’t start standing up for our rights, this country is doomed! REID and PELOSI are working hard to literally give our Social Security and Medicare benefits to any illegal alien or immigrant they can find! How American is that? We work our asses off for about 40 years of our lives to earn these benefits, which by the way the government is cheating us out of anyway, just to hand them over to illegal aliens/immigrants for free! I have to quit for now, I’m blistering hot about the way this Democratic Party is shredding our Constitution! Our government used to be ‘government for the people by the people’! Now it more resembles a ‘government for government, run by the Democratic Party for the Democratic Party and to HELL with what the people say or want’! Reid and Pelosi are PRIME examples of this statement!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Obama, Reid and Pelosi are “allowed” into office, they were voted there by uneducated Americans, know better by the moniker of “democrat”. After these people appear on the public scene, and show the absurdity of their character, and revealed how flawed their thinking is, and how evil their intents are, then these same undeducated democrats, re-elect them. It all starts with two things, the failure of the family in this country, and the failure of the education system. The left runs the schools, and our children are brought up believing in gay is ok, that a bird shit on a rock and the sun fermented it and we were formed, instead of being taught that God created us. They teach our kids tolerance, and that to fail is as good as succeeding, but dont reward those who suceed, because it will make those who fail feel bad. I mean come one allready. When kids are constantly bombarded with this crap, they grow up in that gray area where everything is allright, and there is no line between wrong and right, good and bad, God and evil. Its all this big gray area, live and let live, dont stand for something, rather fall for anything. So our youth grows up and become democrats, who have never been taught the truth, or been taught to seek out the truth. Until you know God, and invite Jesus Christ into your heart, the light will not be in you, and you will be in the darkness and you cant see. How can one see the truth, when the truth is not in him? Until your eyes and ears are opened by the Holy Spirit entering into you, you will never know right from wrong. This is being perpetuated throughout our society, where God isnt allowed in so many places, that without the family instilling the belief in the God that loves us and created us, and a school system that has our kids 8 hours a day teaching them things that destroys the family even more, its no wonder we have gotten to where we are now. Its no wonder there are so many uneducated democrats walking around the the darkness. Funny thing is, I know some democrats who go to certain churches every sunday, and claim to know God. There are hypocrits in everywalk, everywhere. There is no way someone can tell me that they love Jesus Christ, and turn around and vote democrat. No way, no how. You cannot Love the Lord, and turn around and vote for killing innocent babies, vote for giving gays special rules and regulations, for giving comfort to the enemy, calling spreading Gods word a hate crime, kicking God out of school, out of government, and out of public places. Yes, these are all things the democrats not only do, but fully endorse and stand behind doing, and even push to do them. You cant stradle the fence folks. Your either in or your not. Think about it.

    • http://http josi

      Right on Frank! I am just as angry as you and I try to remember the scripture “e angry and sin not” I think god is angry too.

    • Rob

      Yeah Frank, thats whats happening. Get over your outrage, and start doing something about it. Its been going on a very long time, and people are still chasing their tails and complaining about the injustice. They cannot seem to get over the idea that its just so unfair…Well get over it.

      Frank, the constitution has been getting shredded for a very long time. It took a real beating under the Partoit Act.
      Not enough people complained. Now we got stuck with this…Obama. Its too late Frank.
      You should have been outraged sooner.

      So many people put false trust that the Republicans are going to save them, or the Democrats are going to save them.
      No party is gonna save you.

      • http://fseymour@cox.net Frank Seymour

        I don’t rely on either Party! There are crooks in both, it just so happens though, that the Democrats are more blatant about what they are doing! They damn sure don’t serve the people they work for! Everything is for them and only them and they could give a shit less as to what the American people say or tell them what we want! Some how, some where and some one is going to pop up to start getting our country back on the right path! All ‘REAL’ Americans have to ban together, just as the did when we became a nation, to stop this fleecing of America!

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          I guess maybe I dont know all I need to about the Patriot Act, but from what I seen it do benefited the United States of America. But maybe there is stuff about it I dont know, so Rob, you keep citing it having taken our Bill of Rights away and its all Bush’s fault, so please expound on this and let me know what Ive lost, as I havent seen or felt any loss yet, and Im not aware of any loss yet, so Im wondering what Ive lost that I dont know Ive lost. Please educate me.

      • Frank

        I won’t get over it! I’m one of manyand I’ll keep on bitching/fighting and writing letters, like many of my friends do, until someone in a higher position has the balls to stand up and take-on Obama and his crooked cohorts! Get over it, you have got to be kidding! I’m not about to turn the other cheek! The fight is on and I will do whatever I can to back whoever is leading the revolution! Letter writing, for now is all we can do; but I suspect things will be different in the near future! I pray we don’t have to have another all out revolution; but if that is what it takes to get the American people’s eyes open to what Obama and his cohorts are doing to our country, including the Supreme Court, so be it! The news media is a good place to start! Get the media to air the truth, not what the Democratic Party tells them to air! We need to get everybody informed of the graft and corruption in the Whitehouse/government and that means getting the media to tell both sides, not just the Democratic point of view! There are still a number of good, God fearing men and women in our government and I still have faith that change for the better is in the future! I won’t give up without a fight, no matter what! If you prefer to get over it, be my guest! I have more self pride and I have served this country for 21 years in the Navy and also 20 years Civil Service for the Navy! I have many friends, just like me, who will never say ‘uncle’!

        • Rob

          Frank,
          Seems like you didn’t really grasp what I was saying….
          Writing letters is fine. But who are you sending them to?
          You do seem stuck in the blame game. Thats what I have been complaining about.
          The blame game. Republicans blame it all on the democrats, and democrats blame it all on the republicans, and around and around it goes, nothing ever gets solved. Its gone on for decades. Reread what I posted above. I said no party is gonna save you. Or me. They are BOTH corrupt.
          Its like asking the theif to conduct a criminal investigation of his own crime. What do you think the outcome will be?
          So send letters, I understand your frustration, but they are going nowhere.
          My best guess, just keep voting them all out of office. 1 term, then their gone. Even the good ones, get them out of Washington before they get corrupted. They longer they stay in Washington, the more connections, and special arrangements they make with special interest groups.
          The last obstacle at that point is voter fraud.
          I get upset, because when Clinton left office, he left us with a balanced budget and a surplus. Attack Clinton all you want, but you cannot argue that a balanced budget wasn’t a good thing. Clinton did leave us with that. At that time I actually believed we could pay off the national debt with the surplus. For 8 years President Bush ran massive deficits. Surplus, long gone. For 8 years, hardly a peep from republican voters. Now, we have Obama. He’s like Bush on steroids. There is no hope at this point. The way Obama is spending, will lead to a dollar collapse in a few short years. Short term, I think we will see an uptick in economic activity, and democrats will herold Obama’s genious as the economy rockets upwards, running on pure credit. But that will end. And when it does, the dollar will be in tatters. THAT worries me. If you are holding dollars, if you have money in the bank, you will find yourself pennyless. Broke. This economic mess, was not created by President Obama, but it is being exploited by President Obama. President Obama is going to push it over the cliff. There is way too much debt in the system to save it now. Even the Chinese don’t want to finance our debt anymore. Now we are monitising our own debt.
          We are buying our own debt from ourselves. Its a last ditch effort. I do think its too late. I am just wondering what their end game is.

    • Lady Liberty

      The far left democrats are no fools. They have climed to power with the help mindless Americans. It is no coincidence that 97% of Blacks and 54% of Hispanics voted for Obama. They are historically the less fortunate and see Obama as their saviour. The minority have been given so much power that they now dictate government policy aided by a gropu of people that seek to over throw our democracy. Pelosi, Reid others are financed by Soros and Lewis who make no attempt to disguise their true agenda. In the new America Soros will be king because ‘We The People’ have no clue about what he is doing. He pushes for the prosecution of Bush and Cheney to draw our attention away from what the secular-progressives are doing. Our way of life is not being guided by ‘political correctness’ but by the extremist fanatics behind the scenes. They prey on our sense of decency in order to effect the ‘change’ they want. If you speak against the leftist loons you are branded a racist bigot. Wake up you huddled masses and take back the country that your ancestors fought so hard for.

      • Jackie

        I agree that the push to prosecute over waterboarding is simply a distraction and we do need to wake up and see it for that. In the background, congress is pushing to pass Cap & Trade which will cripple average americans. You electric bill will “necessarily skyrocket” (Obama’s words not mine). All of this in the name of global warming. Research the internet and you will find tens of thousands of reputable scientist that believe global warming is a scam! Take the information you find, send it to your representatives and demand a national debate!!! They think were stupid, it is our job to show them we are not. If enough of us respond, eventually they will listen or get voted out. George Washington lost many battles, but his perseverance won the war. DON’T GIVE UP. INSTEAD SPEAK UP!!!

      • Frank

        I couldn’t agree with you more! We have way too many bleeding heart liberals, who actually do see moron Obama as their saviour and guru! If they could only see the end of the tunnel! Obama is taking this country over, just as Hitler took over Germany! If the American people, as a whole, allow this to happen, it will definitely be the end of the ‘American Way’ of life!

    • Bob Velon

      I agree with all you say Frank. Obama, the usurper, AKA Barry Soetoro was not elected legally. Congress did not even challenge him nor did they even give his “Certification of Live Birth a second thought. My two representatives, Sen. Feinstein and Sen. Boxer both told me that had seen his Cetification of Live Birth and were satisfied he was legal. Of course I told them to look up Hawaii Land Statute 338-17.8 and they would find it is not a birth certificate nor is it accepted in Hawaii as a birth certificate. You can record a birth certificate from any country with Hawaiian Heath and receive a certification of live birth. So where is his real birth certificate from, Kenya? His name was legally changed from Barack Obama to Barry Soetoro when he was adopted. Was it ever legally changed back to Obama? He has a bevy of law firms to fight any lawsuit to compell him to show his birth certificate. The Supreme Court will not hear any lawsuit against him regarding his eligibility. As far as I am concerned Congress and the Supreme Court are traitors and did not uphold the oath they took to uphold our constitution. When and if the Patriots ever take over Washington D.C. they should all be stood against the wall. I am coming to the conculsion that the only way we the people will ever get our country back is at the end of a gun barrel. The usurper doesn’t care crap about our constitution and would take away our 2nd amendment in a second if he thought he could. He tried it in Illinois and it got defeated and look at his agenda with abortion. He is a socialist dictator and wants to turn this country into a socialist country.

      They say that when the people fear the government that is tyranny. When the government fears the people that is liberty. Let the bells of liberty ring..

  • Thom

    When I swore an oath to ” protect and defend the constitution from all enemies fireign and domestic” I never realized that the leaders of those enemies would be Obama, Biden, Peliso and Reid… God help us all.
    America, if it is not too late, wake up… elections have consequences….

    • Rob

      I never realized that the leaders of those enemies would be Obama, Biden, Peliso and Reid… God help us all.
      AND Bush, and Cheney, Clinton, Gore and Bush, and Quale, and Carter…Nixon…

      Wake up!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Hey Rob, help me here. On another post, youve written that Bush took my bill or rights from me with the Patriot Act. I guess maybe I dont know enough about it, so I need to know what Ive lost from this, that I dont know Ive lost. Im not being a smart ass, I just am not aware of losing any rights or anything, so I would kind of like to know what I lost. All I was aware of was that they could wiretap my phone, which aint no big deal to me. I wish they would tap everyones and catch these terrorists bastards comunicating before they kill more of us. But I could care less about that. Is there more I dont know about? Fill me in please. Thank you.

        • Rob

          Bush did away with habeas corpus. Nobody cares what happens to terrorists, myself included. But should you find yourself falsely accused of domestic terrorism, you may. And this is important, according to the Missouri List {http://www.scribd.com/doc/13290698/The-Modern-Militia-MovementMissouri-MIAC-Strategic-Report-20Feb09-} even those supporting Ron Paul, are profiled as potential domestic terrorists. Tea Partiers, potential domestic terrorists, the list goes on. And you are aware that the Bush administration was illegally wiretapping American citizens. They have granted themselves the “right” to enter your house, or business without a warrent, when you are not home, look for “evidence” copy your hard drive, and leave without you ever knowing. If we are accused of a certain class of crimes, such as those relating to terrorism, drug dealing or RICO, we have lost a substancial part of our rights to due process. There were never supposed to be different classes of due process. The Patroit Act is a massive expansion of RICO. The federal government is now able to gather highly personal information about you, such as gun purchase records, MEDICAL information, ect without criminal suspicion. The definition of domestic protest has been expanded to include Political Protest. http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/17577prs20050322.html

        • Rob

          In my last sentence in my comment above, I said domestic protest. I meant Domestic Terrorism. The definition of Domestic Terrorism, has been expanded to include Political Protest.

          Imagine Martin Luther King, being charged with Domestic Terrorism, just because he protested inequality for black Americans.

          If the Patroit Act existed in the 1960′s. black Americans today, would still be sitting in the back of the bus.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Thats all fine and dandy Rob, but that doesnt concern me much. If I come home and catch someone in my house that doesnt belong there, I shoot them dead, because dead men dont tell lies, and say they threatened me, end of story. Wire taps are cool with me, Ive nothing to hide but others do, and I want them caught. I am more concerned with things like the dems wanting to shut down talk radio, to silence people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck, and keep all of us from hearing the truth. This is dangerous to try to silence one side over the other, very dangerous stuff, and I dont care where your political alliance is, if you take away someones freedom of speech like this, you can take it from anyone. It is communism and socialism in its purest form, and those in power are practicing it, and want continued power and are taking steps to get it. Even if your a left wing liberal like you obviously are, you help these guys get what they want, you will eventually be slapped to the curb also, and told what you are going to do and how you are going to do it, so be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

        • Rob

          Mark,
          You just do not understand where I am coming from. I am not a left wing liberal. I am an Independent conservative.

          You are correct in saying that it is dangerous to try to silence one side over the other.

          It matters little that you have nothing to hide. The whole point is you have lost certain rights. If they were to ban gun purchases, and you have no intention in buying a gun, and are therefore totally unaffected, you have still lost that right.

          The Forth Amendment states:
          The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

          SHALL NOT BE VIOLATED!
          You are very correct to be worried about First Amendment free speech violations, but what about the others? Unreasonable searches and seizures without suspicion of wrong doing, without probable cause, is also very communist. This amendment is very important. In colonial times, the British conducted unreasonable searches and seizures of colonist’s homes. Thats why they felt this was so important to include in the Bill of Rights.
          I am unwilling to trade constitutional rights for safety. I am unwilling to throw them away just to catch “terrorists.”
          That hardly makes me a liberal.

        • Rob

          And ah, Mark, you cannot shoot federal agents.
          If you come home and find them in your house, you can’t shoot them.
          Sorry.
          Rob

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      This is the reason why uneducated kids and illegal aliens shouldnt be allowed to vote. Take away those uneducated votes of these two groups, and there is a different outcome.

  • http://bethanylm Larry Carney

    I strongly disagree with the tone of this article. If taken to the extreme, it would lead to complete anarchy. No need for police, no need for government, no need for special protection of the poor from the powerful. It all depends on one’s outlook; we tend in the direction of socialism (I see as concern for one’s neighbor, but this view sees as fascism) or rugged individualism (which I see as encouraging selfishness too much). Sometimes we need more than charity….the thin line between justice and “being free to do my own thing.” Both of our views tend to call it “democracy”. I tend to see the Bush years as closer to real fascism…when the corporate controlled media used slogans to brainwash the people,and the government fed us with lies.

    • Too Afraid to Say

      Boy, you really are reading the wrong papers and looking at the wrong news channels. I watched replays of press conferences during the Bush years. They didn’t even stand up when he entered the room. Of course, when Obama entered the press room Friday, they gave him a standing ovation. Do you listen to MSM??? I will not ever again. They are the ones spewing out propoganda and whitewashing what Obama, et al. are doing. Maybe you’re from a different strain than I am, but I don’t like the MSM’s handling of the election and especially how they don’t even ask Obama real questions that need to be answered. Please, if you hate us, that’s OK. But, be realistic about what Obama is doing to this country and our freedoms. Do you think he should reveal his birth certificate to at least stop the questions about his elligibility to even be President or since it’s “Him,” it’s OK if he isn’t a natural born citizen? I, personally, think we should obide by the Constitution and have the truth about this one question.

      • D.

        obide??

      • Bob Velon

        You will never get the truth. Congress did not step to the plate and challenge him. They are guilty of treason because they never upheld their oath of office to uphold the constitution. The Supreme Court did not nor will they bring any of the lawsuits about his eligibility to be heard. He showed them a Certification of Live Birth which according to Hawaii Land Statute 338-17.8 is not a birth certificate nor is it any indication of Hawaiian birth. Go to google and google it and you will see for yourself. He has all his records sealed and if the truth were know Probably attended college as Barry Soetoro and got a grant as a foreign student. He was born in Mombasa Kenya. The Certification of Live Birth can be given to anyone regardless of place of birth…. Boy did he pull one over on the dumocrats…..

      • http://fseymour@cox.net Frank Seymour

        I don’t know about you, but FOX news is the only media that tells the people of this country more correctly and truthfully, what is really going on in OUR country! What I can’t understand is why, after all is said and done, are the Senators, who aren’t in Obama’s pocket, pushing like hell to prove to the American people that the SOB isn’t a natural born US citizen! If he was, why is he spending millions to keep his birth certificate and birth place a secret from the American people! Push this issue, until the truth is out and the Democratic Party will have to back step! Right now, I don’t believe they listen to anything the American people say or tell them to do! Like one person wrote earlier, they have shredded the Constitution and have been doing so for a long time!

      • Carolyn

        Let’s see…the MEDIA gives Obama a standing ovation??? Wow, now that’s impressive. They’ve been bought and paid for in real dollars and they stand and cheer. Now, for something REALLY noteworthy, watch our men and women in Uniform….copy and paste to your browser if you must.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6epBwrGNhs&feature=related

      • Frank

        I don’t remember who, but someone wrote me and said that our Constitution has been being ripped-up for years, prior to Obama! I believe this is true; however, Obama and his cohorts are blatantly throwing the Constitution in our faces! They are doing whatever the hell they want to do, no matter what the people say! The best example of this is ‘amnesty’! The American people as a whole, have already, on a number of occasions, told the Senate and House not ‘No; but HELL NO!’ to any shape or form of amnesty! Even when moron Mr. Reid and his constituents tried to sneak amnesty into law by attaching it to other bills, mainly the Military Appropriations Bill, we caught it and amnesty was removed before the bill was signed! We have to continue this fight! What is there that these people, who supposedly work for us, don’t understand about the words ‘NO to any type of amnesty’! These people in office right now, especially in the Democratic Party, don’t give a damn what the American people say! They are going to do just exactly what they want to do, unless we can convince the remaining Senators and House Reps to pick up the ball and start rolling it in the other direction! How we do that, well, I believe it is going to take all of us to do something! That, I don’t know what is; but I’m still going to write, call and whatever else I can do to turn this country around! I am only one; but all of us together, I pray, can defeat these crooked assholes!

        • keith

          i think they won’t do anything untill they see and realize that a armed uprising is going to take place.they will only ignore talk.look at the muslims,they only respond to violance.obama has ties to terrororist roots and has been brainwashed by their ideology,you think he is going to listen to talk? nah,i feel only a large concerted uprising will make him step down and release power.he feeds on power and is showing his muslim heritage,they suppress anything that disagrees with their dogma.call me a kook all you want,i don’t give a damn!
          i am a son of liberty and a retired marine and from the south and i despise anyone who is a traiter to our country!hopefully it won’t get to the point of actual possible hostilities,but i am ready to defend my country and what it stands for till the last drop of my blood. i bet george washington is weeping right now and john adams going berserk! THIS COUNTRY WAS NOT FOUNDED ON SOCIALISM,NOR WAS IT INTENDED TO TURN OUT THAT WAY. evil only triumphs when good men do nothing! lets get a backbone and and let ole uncle sam bust him in his chops!

    • Dick

      Larry, now the government controls the corporations and definitely feeds us lies. MSM is essentially state-run, and Pelosi and gang want to silence all public dissent through a “Fairness Doctrine” designed to eliminate opposing points of view in the media. Barney Frank has come out of this mess clean, and Obama promises to “help” (Code word for finance an overwhelming, media assisted campaign) Chris Dodd in his current difficulties in his re-election efforts. Obama wails about executive bonuses at AIG and assures that far larger amounts will go to Fannie May and Freddie Mac executives. George Soros boasts that he is having a “great recession”. All checks and balances are being systematically destroyed. Lemming liberals will continue to blame all problems on Bush. Future elections will be heavily influenced by state-subsidized ACORN and similar organizations. The black vote will be a consistent 15% block vote for the regime. Political class and special interest groups will account for another 20%. That means that all the regime needs for election is 16% of the remaining vote. All protest, such as the Tea Parties, will be condemned and mischaracterized by both the regime and MSM. Things appear to be going well for one group. Perhaps we need a little anarchy.

    • Michelle

      Larry Carney, you are a true morron!

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        No kidding. Larry thinks Bush and the republicans controlled the media? What the hell? Everyone knows the media is owned and controlled by the democrats, from ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC, all left, all democrats, all the time. So what the hell is Larry talking about. Crack is Whack Larry.

        • Rob

          Crack may be wack…Mark, but perhaps Larry was referring to the right wing dominated radio news. It is a major influence. I do get more news from the radio that I get from TV.

      • Rob

        Ahh, its spelled Moron…
        Not Morron….Geez..
        We are F**ked

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          All I can say about the radio post you made here Rob, was that Al Gore and many, many, and I mean many liberals have invested money and tried to do their talk shows, but nobody cared to listen to them tell lie after lie after lie. I tell you the truth Rob, if ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC didnt have other programming on them, they WOULD NOT still be in business. Heck man, come on, CNN had to put Glenn Beck on to get their ratings up. And there is one big difference. I have never, and I mean never heard old Katy Couric, and all the liberal news people, say a bad word about some the crap the democrats pull. But I have heard Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, all three, come out and complain openly about some things George Bush did, because they didnt like it and fact was fact. That is why these guys succeed, they deal with truth and fact. Listen to them, and Ill tell you one thing about them. Ive never caught them in a lie. Never. It is a daily thing on the TV channels to hear biased lies over and over again. I was born and raised democrat, but changed over in Reagan’s second term when I started paying attention to politics. The truth is there if one really wants to hear it.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Excuse me Larry, but you have really erred here. The corporate controlled media? Larry, did you not know, that all the media outlets, totally put the beating to Bush and the republicans, except for Fox News. All of them, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, you know Larry, and so do I, that these are all networks owned and endorsed by the Democratic Party. They are all left wing liberal organizations, along with the big papers like the LA Times and the NY Times, and they lied, cheated and lambasted Mr. Bush and his administration unmercifully for 8 years. Their propaganda got Obama elected. Are you kidding me Larry? You can honestly make a statement like this? The corporate controlled media brainwashed the public and the government fed us lies? Damn right they did Larry, but somehow in your mind, something isnt clicking. I mean for 8 years they down talked Bush, downtalked the war to keep us safe, downtalked the economy, even though it was at record highs. What they did was brainwashed the uneducated public into thinking it was all bad, then started humming Kum-Ba-Ya with change-change-change, and the uneducated bought into this propaganda. But Larry, your so confused. The media is the property of the left wing liberals democrats, always has been and always will be, and anyone with a half a brain knows this. So for you to try to link Bush with the left wing media standing up on his side, where in the hell have you been Larry. For God’s sake man, when that crack pipe comes around, dont take it this time. Un-stinking believeable. Obviously, yet another prime example, of the uneducated left, trying to slip their lies through, but not today baby. We do our studying around here. We are real Americans, not those swayed by newspapers articles like the left wing liberal appeasing pacifists.

    • Lady Liberty

      Larry Carney are you for real? The left controls the media. Socialism has nothing to do with caring for your neighbor. We are a long way from anarchy. What would have happened if instead of a Revolution we had toed the line and allowed a German king to continue his domination of our fore-fathers? Anarchy is the Taliban and Somali pirates, Al Queda and Hezbollah. Wanting to save our country is not facism. Remember this ‘ A Government big enough to give you all you want is also able to take all you have’. When the government hands out to the people it comes at a price. You become a slave to that government, you are no longer your own master.

  • JM Thomas

    When O’bama said that we have to do something about the Conservative Christians, he was saying we want no more truth in our country. The Constitution gives us the right of religion, not protection from religion. When right is wrong and wrong is right, a country suffers great consequences, and it appears we are seeing a perfect example.
    There is great concern that we are in control of the “Big Three”, but even more scary that we actually elected them. What part of illegal do they not understand? Not only are we in control of the illegals, but we are also in control of the welfare generations. The schools have been permeated with these ideas, and now our young people believe it is right. They do not know where food comes from, or where a dollar comes from either, because they have been taught to take the hand outs. They think that is “Equal Rights”! They have not read the “pursuit” part of happiness, either. Neither do they understand the consequences of wrong decisions. “Hate Crimes” have become hate truth crimes!

    God bless America again! Stand beside her and guide her with a light from above!

    • Too Afraid to Say

      Very well said.

    • NaNa

      Has anyone seen the “artwork” of obama hanging on the cross????????????? they said it was art, but weren’t going to hang in a museum. Wonder why??/ Couldn’t believe it when I saw it on T.V.. Comments????

      We’re in BIG trouble but God is still in control. The end has already been written…………WE WIN!!!!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Obama is a muslim, and like the rest of them, they want all us Christians dead. Fact, not racist, a fact bred from their own mouths. While we pray for their salvation, they pray for our deaths. I take solace in know that my Father in Heaven, will one day make all wrongs right, and those that have killed and caused this hate against him, will be set straight by Him with the real power.

    • Jackie

      I missed Obama’s statement that we have to do something about Conservative Christians. I’m not sure what was meant by that statement. I do believe however, that Obama is hostile toward Christianity no matter what he says.
      In response to his statement about Conservative Christians I say BRING IT ON!
      God is the Ultimate Authority and in the end, Obama and his followers cannot win. GOD IS IN CONTROL!!!

      • Lady Liberty

        The National Day of Prayer will be silent at The White House this year. That should tell us all something regardless of our religious or non-religious beliefs. Why is it that Islamic countries can be founded on their religion but a country founded on Christanity has to give it up. If anyone dosn’t like our Judeo-Christian principles why don’t they go live in an Islamic country and see what it is like? When we forget that ‘In God We Trust’, we will be condemned to a life of hell!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      The muslims, which he is, all feel that way. They need to silence the Christians, so there will be no more truth to be heard.

    • SSG Prasuhn

      O’bama“?? I thought he was (supposedly) Muslim?? When did he become IRISH?? NOT because of his being Democrat, I’m guessin’??
      This ‘STORY‘ gets stranger all the time. It’s like watching one of those old (Saturday Matinee) TV or movie serials — Remember? The ‘Old Cliff Hangers’???

  • Aman

    This is going to get worse each and every day. At this point the political system has broken down and the officals are as corrupt and guilty of the very crimes being hatched by the Anti American, Anti white, Anti freedom, Anti Capitalist Muslim believer and sympathizer, Obama! Alright, no one’s going to argue about that. If you are arrested for doing your part to defend freedom and the US Costitution completely disassociate yourself as a citizen of the criminal Obama administration and label yourself instead as a POW! Name only. You will have to know something about guerilla warfare and hence win the hearts and minds of people alike. This won’t be easy. You will have very little exposure, if any. Read your bible! Study history e.g. Washington and the Revolutionairy war. Watch the movie called “The Crossing” with Jeff Daniels. Cleanse your inner spirit and your soul. If you abuse women stop! If your vices are out of control like Porn, drinking, drugs, infidelity, STOP! Seek forgiveness and prepare to face the Blue helmets. But most of all consider yourself a solider just as the WW II heros. There’s a very good TV show on channel 365, Satellite TV, called Apocalyse and the End times. They have very worthy guest who are interviewed about the coming battle between good and evil. They’re on the internet as well at http://WWW.GODTV.COM. Also seek out Alex Jones who’s on the internet too, at INFOWARS.COM Check it out.

    May we live to see better days,
    Yours in Defending Liberty

    Aman

    • Victoria

      Thank you, AMAN, for mentioning Alex Jones and his website. In my entire 62 years of life, I have never seen such THREATS on our LIBERTY as the last few years. The One Worlders and Elitist have to act fast now, because people are finally starting to wake up! I am most definitely educated about what is happening since I have been studying the situation since childhood! I READ and RESEARCH and have almost all of my life. My G’parents and GGparents warned me and the hammer has been “coming down” on our country for a very long time. First without trying to offend any religions (as I am NOT religious), I’d like to remind everyone of our “DOWNFALL”…Division by any means! My ROOTS on all sides of my family go back to 1700 Virginia and earlier! Except for my Native American heritage! Every generation of my family have fought in every war,conflict and uprising, including my brother, deceased USMC huband, female cousin, cousins’ sons, and now my 2 grandsons. I was also an “Army Brat”. I only mention this personal info so maybe just one or two will read this and take me seriously! FOX news is just as controlled as the liberal stations, but by the right wing elite. My cable and satellite have been disconnected for years.
      We need to put our differences aside like the Founders of our country did and concentrate on the true enemies of our liberties, all the while standing up for one another regardless of our differences! If not then we are DOOMED! It is as simple as that. There is no place to run away and hide in…not from the New World Order! I say to everyone that you have some real good ideas here, but many are missing the point and many are just “Preaching to the Choir”. We need to get out and keep getting out and be heard! We may not even have that right much longer. I can assure you of that, because I am called “Old Woman Who Reads”. Listen to Lenard Cohen singing HIS warning poem/song “The Future” put out in the early 90′s! PLEASE wake up and join together. We do not have much longer! Try voting a THIRD PARTY for a real change, and watch Alex Jones’ documentaries along with others.

      GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH! I shall never run from my country when the going gets tough! Nor shall I drink anyone’s cool-aid, right or left wingers! I am right beside you in Defending Liberty!

      • Aman

        Victoria,
        You are as beautiful as you are wise. I know that because you come from Red White and Blue stock! And you are correct about the forming of a Third party.
        But here’s the thing… ” In a time of rampant deciet, telling the truth is a revolutionairy act” George Orwell. Keep this in mind. Victoria… I also have a daughter by that name. BEAUTIFUL!

        Best Wishes,
        Aman

  • Rudi

    Although I agree with much of the sentiment expressed here, and in other letters I have read, it undermines your credibility when you get it wrong. For example, saying that “Obama fired Wagoner”, and “Obama is the majority shareholder”. Funny thing is, I read Michael Moore, of hard-left fame, say EXACTLY the same thing (Obama fired Wagoner). Why do we need to make such errors?

    Just to set it straight on THIS one thing (there are many others that need setting straight as well): The government, not Obama personally, has taken shares in GM and many others who needed money, else they would go bankrupt. Any other “rescuer” would have done the same, and perhaps on even worse terms (for the existing shareholders). The idea is that these companies may be viable, if it weren’t for the extreme stress of the economy and financial markets at the momen (there is a notion that once they’re healthy, off of life-support, they’ll return to being just private companies again. We’ll see…). And the companies believe that help from the government, with all the strings attached (and the ownership dilution as well), is preferable to having a bankruptcy judge sorting them out. I’m not writing to debate the merits of this approach (I’ve got my doubts, but I also have a problem with a blanket, “let ‘em go bankrupt” approach).

    Rather, for those who didn’t read the press on Wagoner’s “firing”, the Treasury asked him to step aside, and as a result of that request, he did. He wasn’t fired, because the Treasury doesn’t have the power and authority to fire him. As noted in the article, he is the CEO of a private company. While there is recent talk about the govt taking a majority stake (GM itself has proposed it – which illustrates how truly pathetic its circumstances are), not only has that not yet happened, but it certainly was not the case when Wagoner stepped aside. That means that Treasury did not have enough shareholder “muscle” to fire him (although to exercise that muscle against an unwilling management, it would have to first get control of the board in a shareholder election, the board would then have to appoint new management, which would then fire the employees whom the controlling shareholders wanted fired to begin with). It’s well known that things didn’t happen this way, so it is undoubtedly true that Wagoner stepped aside without being fired.

    What WAS going on is that, because no sane investor, with screws still holding his head in place, is going to give money to GM in the current circumstance (they KNOW they will lose it), the only entity with even an inkling to help is the government. And the help is necessary to keep them out of bankruptcy. Without the government, GM is toast, and everybody knows it. So when Treasury “suggests” that they’d rather see somebody besides Wagoner at the helm, everybody knows that if Wagoner stays, GM’s prince charming may not be so inclined to be helpful. Knowing this, Wagoner agreed with their “suggestion”.

    They effectively control the company because they are the only ones willing and able to save them. It’s powerful and effective control. If entity A is a terminal case, and entity B is the only one with a working life-support system, then B has a LOT of control over A. But it’s also incorrect, and perhaps disingenuous, to suggest that the govt can just go out and take over ANY company in the same way (not YET, at least), or that the govt has taken over a company that wasn’t already a basket-case to begin with. Is that where we’re headed? Well, that’s a more interesting question… If government policy makes basket-cases out of all private enterprises, then it can control all enterprises, saying with wonderful plausible deniability, “hey, we’re only taking control of the basket-cases…”. We’re not there yet. The question is “where are we going?”.

    • Whatever

      Question, what is wrong with bankruptcy? It is the free market way of dealing with just such financial issues. Bankruptcy is a good way to deal with the situation. Instead, you have an agenda setting government, that is not too keen on the free market system (remember, the current administration tends towards more socialistic ideas than free market ideas) deciding things.

      Take for instance the failed attempt around Chrysler. As I recall (please forgive me if I am incorrect), the Unions and labor got .50 on the dollar, while investors got only .32 on the dollar. Why should investors (who represent a lot of retirement funds) get less than labor unions? A lot of the union costs support such items as full pay for up to about 3 years after a layoff. And these systemic issues were not addressed in the agreement.

      However, in a bankruptcy court, all agreements are thrown out the window, and agreements are put in place with the specific purpose of putting forth a viable and competitive company that can prosper.

      So, in summary, IMHO, the government deals fleece both the taxpayer and the retirement funds that invested in these companies, and do not address the systemic issues that created such problems. No thank-you, I prefer to take my chances in bankruptcy court. Thank-you Oppenheimer Funds for protecting my retirement.

    • http://comcast jow

      I have no problem with Obama’s bailout of the auto companies, I have trouble with his taking them over and firing the CEO. What happens to their shareholders who have a big stake in the companies? Do lenders take over corporations? Does the president of the US take over companies and fire CEO’s? In this administration and only this administration since the inception of this country, yes.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        He didnt fire the CEO, his party did. See, Barrack is just the figure head, so when America wises up, and gets sick of the crap these guys are pulling, the dems will throw him under the bus to protect their own worthless hides. This is how they operate, and the kind of people they are. Fact.

        • http://comcast jow

          He gives his administration what he wants and his cabinet comes up with ways to carry out his orders. The reps in both houses are rubber stamp reps and it is done since there is no checks and balances in the senate or congress.

    • Jackie

      You claim the Treasury doesn’t have the power or authority to fire Wagoner.
      Go to this web site: http://www.riseupforamerica.com/obamadecptionmovie.html
      Watch this movie, check out the statements made, and you will see that the Treasury Department and The Federal Reserve have the power to do far more than you would ever imagine.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Rudi, you sound like a really educated man who did his homework on this thing. Ive researced it some, and I might be wrong, I mean I am human so I know Im not right all the time, but it seems to me that all this bailout money going to these guys, is the old “throwing good money after bad” thing. I mean if say Im running a business, and Ive made so many bad business decisions that I have demonstrated I really dont know how to run a business, why should I be rewarded by someone giving me a bunch of money to pay off my debts, so that I can run my business into the ground again? I mean until these guys make a lot of changes, and I mean a lot, they should have to sink like any other bad business. Let someone else step up that can properly run a business start one up and see what happens. If these guys booted out the unions first off, then trimmed out all the fat on the corporate side, because there is a heck of a lot of that sucking money out of this place, then it might have a chance. But until you clean out all these bloodsucking elements from it, its going to have the same end again. From the corporated guys with all their big old bonuses and pay checks, to the union guys wanting more and more, greed has done them in. I say let some one else have a chance. But I could be wrong, who knows, but it seems to me this is just throwing good money after bad.

  • Kim

    I say…IMPEACH !!!! IMPEACH !!!! IMPEACH !!!!!

    Other than that can someone tell me why Congress couldn’t be sued for violating the Constitution?? This is a serious question. The Constitution says that it is up to Congress to uphold it and the oaths of all elected officials declare this so why could they not ALL be sued for NOT upholding it ??

    • Robert Waldron

      What federal liberal gudge are we going to get to do that?

      • Kim

        I don’t know but what I am asking is… doesn’t the Constitution give redress against Congress for NOT upholding it?

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Because judges and politicians dont care about doing what they are paid to do, they just care about making all the money they can and pushing their agenda down peoples throats. Thats what they do.

        • Victoria

          Mark, it goes far beyond money…it is all about POWER! That is the real secret about this entire scene…POWER!

    • keith

      amen to that! IMPEACH COMRAD OBAMA….DOWN WITH SOCIALISM!

    • Smilee

      reply to: Kim on May 5th, 2009 at 10:08 am:

      Because the constitution forbids it while they are in office. If you do not know this can you explain how it is they are not upholding the constitution. As I read through these comments I am amazed how many act as they are experts on the Constitution but their very own statements strongly suggest they know and understand very little about this document and your very broad statements with out clarification also brings this into question concerning this post of yours. I invite you to explain yourself.

  • Norm

    Bob
    You’ve lost touch with reallity.

    In response to your points:

    Who do you think pays for the uninsured now? Try the insured and goverment welfare programs. Having healthcare in the hands of thousands of profit making groups, as we now have, is inefficient and idiotic.
    It was Richard Wagoner who led a fine company (which he did not own) to the brink of disaster. It was also he who then begged the taxpayers for money. The bastard should be in jail.
    Ms Ginsburg only wants to READ what other countries are doing. Seems right to me.
    That’s to stupid to comment on.
    George Bush and company (remember Paulson) started the bailouts. As bad as the are, the alternatives would have been a disaster. People get pretty violent when banks fail. I mean like blood in the streets.

    Norm in Connecticut

    • johnQ

      Is Connecticut still in the United States. Why don’t you vote the traitor Chris Dodd and all the other phonies out of the Senate. Your state and Mass., are a joke. Kennedy is a murdering drunk and the rest of the surrounding states are all a voting joke. Your take on, “blood in the streets”, I mean really have you seen this in the U.S. The only people who don’t tear stuff up are middle Americans trying to make a living. Look at the blood in the street because some minorities didn’t like the Rodney King vote. If those people had jobs they would not have time to do this destruction. No, don’t preach to me you traitor from the North. I thought Obamer is the smartest thing since Einstein. Well, why did he continue to follow Bush’s lead if it were such a mistake. I think Bush made a mistake, but this is Obamer’s first job and he has no idea what he is doing. He can organize a sit down strike, but that is all. Oh yeah I almost forgot. Have Obamer show me his Birth Certificate. He can’t because he was born in Kenya. He has no more being President than you do running a bank.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        On Ted Kennedy and Massachusetts. Funny thing is, I went there last year, and was in different parts of the state 4 times, and I talked to well over 100 people, and kept asking why Ted Kennedy and John Kerry keep getting elected, and every stinking one of them told me “I didnt vote for those son of a bitches”. So if nobody is voting for these scumbags, can someone tell me how these losers continue to get elected year after year, and do nothing but raise taxes and rape the people of the state of Massachusetss. How do they get re-elected. Someone please advise. Thank you.

        • wayne

          Haven’t you realized people’s votes mean nothing. You haven’t heard how many are never counted? Get some truth out of local and state voting headquarters. Paid any attention to Minnesota’s phony election counting? Did anything happen to ACORN for all illegal registrations you think they took legal people to vote. What credibility do you give to all the mail in ballots, heard of the mother in law in Colorado having daughter send in husband’s ballot who was in Iraq. They count and report the number of votes they want. Please explain one reasonable purpose for the illegitimate electoral college. It’s 200 hundred years out of date It’s used as the crooks want. But we must try this way for now, NO INCUMBENTS, let them know. We all need to get involved and ask questions, this fascist party has destroyed in 100 days what took 225 years to have. Watch OBAMA Deception.

  • Tom

    And you can be certain that which foods and health care treatments are deemed “good” for you, will be very heavily influenced by powerful lobbies of the multi-billion-dollar food and drug industries…

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Give me mashed potatoes, real butter, salt and pepper on them of course, with a big old slab of beef or pork, maybe some deep fried chicken. Of course I start the day with a pound of bacon, the real stuff, um um good. 4 eggs, and toast, again with real whole butter, none of that chemical laced margarine crap. I then wash it down with whole vitamin D milk. As a rule, if is doesnt have calories, I wont eat it. Im fifty one, and Im 6′ tall, 190 lbs of lean man. My parents are in their mid 80′s, and still eat potatoes, beef, pork, whole milk, real butter, salt and pepper, and all this stuff these heath food wankers tell you not to eat, and they are totally healthy. If more people ate these good foods, and got the proper excercise, we would have a healthier society. All these chemical induced diet foods, and lowfat this and that, might as well eat cardboard. People I know that eat this crap constantly struggle with their weight, and they are sick a lot. Im never sick. Eat real food. I dont care what you so called doctors and dieticians say, I choose to believe the real life study that I have lived, and that my parents and 5 brothers and sisters have lived, and we are all health as can be. So there. Excuse me while I go get me a swiss cake roll now.

      • Rob

        I like your diet Mark. I agree with it.
        Fat never hurt anybody. You state you eat REAL FOOD. Thats the key. Real Food.
        Not veggie burgers cooked in partially hydrogenated….Franken Fat, washed down with Chemi Cola

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Ok Rob, I changed my mind about you. Your allright.

  • M. Brotherton

    I do not believe we will have the chance to vote anybody out or vote anyone else in. The elections are fixed. I dont know how they are doing it but liberalism has infiltrated every area of politics and beyond. Corrupt money is everywhere. I hate to think it but I beleive the only way we will ever get our country back is to take it back by force. Politicians will never listten to their constituants again from this poiint on. They are way beyond corrupt. The constitution no longer rules this country. There is total disregard for the rule of law in the US. This goes for both sides of the aisle. They have come too far to give up the turf they have already taken. Nothing will stop them but brute force.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      to M. Brotherton, see my entry in reply to John Q.. Ted Kennedy and John Kerry getting elected time after time, when no one is voting for them. Yeh, I believe you about this fix thing. Thats why we need term limits to keep these blood suckers from being in long enough to fix things up like this. You and I both know thats what happens.

      • Rob

        Again I find myself in agreement Mark.

        • http://donthaveone Mark

          Rob, do you feel like I do, that in both parties we need to rid these career politicians en-mass, like all at once in one election?

        • Rob

          Mark, yes I do. Get rid of all the career politicians. 1 term, then your out. Cut their pay too. Vote republican, democrat, green party, Libertarian, mix it up and pit them all against each other. Hopefully that will cause gridlock. When Washington gets nothing done, thats a good thing.

  • suddencall

    Mark
    when anyone with any iota of education, knows that Bill Clinton with his American Dream of everyone owning a home, setting up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to loan money to people who had no way to pay this back, with the government backing these banks bad loans, until it blew up in their face because the money ran out, and it was set up by the dems and ran by the dems, and people like Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick took millions of dollars out of this and got rich. When Bush called for an investigation into the figures not looking right on this, Barney Frank, another top ranking democrat, was the head of the committee overseeing this, and would not allow an investigation as he said he had it under control. So the dems did all this, and then had the audacity to point the finger at the Bush admin and placed the blame on them
    Mark please:
    And you talk about the dumb liberals.You appear to be the pot calling the kettle black. The republicans have been the ones lying to you,open your eyes and mind before it is to late.To anyone over five years old it is plain that the republicans have destroyed our republic.Terror group = republican party.It is desgraceful how the republicans can get adult people to believe their lies.
    As for the media it is so right wing bias as to be worthless as a news outlet.They even go so far as to tell us that there is no evidence of bush wrong doing and that bush got drug treatment and went AWOL during a war and that there is no proof out there.What a bunch of worthless yellow egg sucking dogs they are.

    • NaNa

      Sounds like you are looking for another country to live in. Let us know how that works out for you. All politicos LIE, but this is the first one to stomp on the Constitution and lie all the while daring anyone to disagree with him. Yep lets get these tax cheats but leave his cronies alone, you know the ones………….. most of his appointees, but thats another chat thread.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Thats because the democrats you see, are like the Pharisee’s in the Bible. They want all the choice seats, and want to be seen and heard, and think of themselves as better than everyone else. But inside they are ate by greed and filth, and believe that we should do as they say, not as they do. The democrats are todays Pharisees

    • http://comcast jow

      Hey, if you think we are going to be better off as a free country in 4 years than we are now, I am selling the Brooklyn Bridge too. We will be a socialist country and you will have less money to spend, the unemployment rate will be greater than it is today and the govt. will have greater power than they had when Obama brought his change to the US. He is the first president to take over a company and fire a CEO because he didn’t like what the CEO was doing to change the company. He is the CEO of major financial institutions and says he is doing what the taxpayers want. Is this what you want. Maybe he should take over you house because that may happen too. Sounds impossible, right, just like the president firing a CEO, it couldn’t happen in the US. Anything is possible with this president.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Right on Jow. Maybe we can do a joint package and sell this ocean front property in Arizona I own together with your bridge. Might be able to find us a lefty to give us a healthy price, since they dont seem to know the score of things.

    • suddencall

      Mark please : you need to turn Limbaugh and O rielly off,They are false teachersb of terror doctrine. Not good for free people.Bush did more to take your freedom away than anu otger leader in america.

      • http://donthaveone Mark

        Really? Then in being fair and honest, dont just state your opinion, because opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. State some facts. Again, dont spew your left wing opinions that the news outlets have told you, show me some straight out facts now, or shut your mouth you left wing pacifist appeaser. Youve got nothing, because he did nothing to take my freedoms. Show me, now.

        • suddencall

          Bush and the right wing has been running the printing presses wide open for the last seven years and still are. Every dollar they print makes your dollars worth less,now In my book money is freedom.He relieved you of your privacy, constitutional rights and freedom of speach,now what else do you want Facts,I do not believe you want facts,you want someone else to lie to you.Thats to say nothing about giving your tax money to illegals so ytheuy can take your jobs.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Ok dude, chill out. First of all, I didnt see you state any facts here, as I did on my reply. I clearly stated facts, that if you would check them, would find out to be true. How can you say the press is right wing bias? What the hell are you smoking dude? ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC are all notorious left wing liberal media outlets, owned by rich democrats and ran by rich democrats. Fact. Check it out. So where were you the last 8 years while these guys were unmercifully slapping Bush around like a dog? Where were you at? Damn man, how in the hell did you miss 8 years of that? Anybody, and I mean anybody with half a brain knows these are all democrat ran stations with a left wing liberal agenda, and they have been since Walter Cronkhites days. Evidently, youve proven my point about uneducated liberal democrats, as you dont even know which parties owns and controls these major media outlets. Only Fox will give you fair reporting, and you know what, if Bush did something wrong, they were the first to report it. However, I thank God for Mr. Bush. I was safe for 8 years. Good luck in the upcoming years America. The Liberals have spoken.

    • SSG Prasuhn

      SuddenDeath….Are you dislexic??? You’ve got your facts and perceptions bass ackwards!!!

      ‘Nuff Said’,

  • MOMSRIGHT

    I thought we kicked out the Brits over 200 years ago!…………Just because the Brits want to dig around in their citizens pantry why do Americans need the gov. digging around in ours? Yet the government thinks we need a nanny and they are more than willing to play the roll! ……….What ever happened to the great independant pioneers who traveled through harsh circumstances, built their homes, raised their kids, Grew enourmous business and industry, and created some of the most amazing inventions? They did it all without the government standing by to wipe their nose or bandage their skinned knee! Americans are born free and have an extensive history of keeping that freedom alive! It is what we know, it is what we do all over the world! No way Obama can shut that down in four short years! Time to stand up and FIGHT!

  • http://comcast jow

    You may notice that Obama is pushing everything through on an emergency level. He is today, pushing his Cap and Trade legislation through on a fast track. He is pushing everything through so he has total control of everything before the congress and senate will be changed. He has two years and is on a fast track to get total control before the next election. All of the representatives are rubber stamps for Obama. Notice that he calls them to the whitehouse if he has trouble getting one of his control items though like Cap and Trade which he has congress coming to the white house today, 5/6/2009. He says he is doing what the taxpayers want which is such a bunch of do do. The taxpayers have to write to their reps to stop the dictator.

    • Carolyn

      He’s pushing cap and trade right now because so many of these scientists are finally breaking the news that this is all fake….

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      This is for one reason, the democrats are desperate to act fast, as they know that the American public will sooner or later wise up to what they are doing, so they want to get it all done now, before there is a mass uprising that they are destined to cause. America can only tolerate so much political correctness before we all get sick of it and start being American first again, and God first again. Remember when we were like that and it all smelled so good.

  • MOMSRIGHT

    PS…… We all know when ever the government trys to run anything they always screw it up……..If we think medical care will improve after Obama is done, then we truly are stupid!……..Nothing that this government is doing right now will have a possitive out come for the American people!……..Yet we are not helpless! Vote the usurpers OUT!…….Time to bring the Obama Monarchary to an end!

    • keith

      end socialism in 2010!!! impeach obama!

  • W. Palmer

    One of the most stunning omissions in American life is the absence of a universal health care system.
    Americans pay the highest cost for health care in the world. It is poorly regulated and open to horrific consequences of drug incompatibility through the absence of recorded data. How good medical care is depends of course where you live. Between 30 and 40 million people have no insurance at all. A large percentage of these die for the absence of simple drugs, or minor medical procedure.

    Universal health care is expensive, the U.K. and Europe, Canada, Australia will attest to that. It accounts for a huge part of the yearly budget. But these countries spend far less than the U.S. on the problem. The biggest problem is administering this megalithic leviathan. Some countries like Sweden manage this very well, others like Canada and the U.K. not so well, but all provide timely and comprehensive care to the population, manage drugs and treatment in a well defined way that eliminates the consequences of incompatibility and overdose. Physicians and doctors are compensated well and have a good road to promotion available to them.
    There are many anecdotal horror stories that would suggest that the system doesn’t work, I am sure that will continue.. But these a fraction of a percent compared to the thousands of success stories achieved every day. No system is perfect.

    The intimation that a universal health care system will infringe on the rights of the individual are total nonsense. Yes your medications will be monitored, you will have to contribute a monthly premium for the service and your personal details recorded and deductions will be made from the payroll.

    My cousin in Atlanta pays $1500 per month for insurance with a monthly drug bill of $500.00. In Canada I pay $70.00 per month for the family, and drugs are dependent on income where I pay a few dollars or nothing.
    health care in the U.S. is seen as a commodity and pharmaceuticals as a cash cow profit machine.
    If I was heavily invested in insurance or pharmaceuticals in the U.S. I would be dead against health care programs, Since they are the only people making anything out of the system the way it is. There is 60 years of success in Europe and the U.K. and 40 years in Canada. The reticence in the U.S. is purely corporate greed.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      And I talked with a guy up there in Canada whose dad was having heart problems, and went to the doctor and they told him they would put him on the list, which left him 3 weeks out for his appointment. He died a week later, because he couldnt get in, because they are so overun with the hypocondriacs who always have something wrong with them, and by everyone going to the doctor for every little thing because its free, so you have to get on the waiting list for your appointments. I have heard this from more than one person up there, so Im not sure where your from, but I dont think it is from Canada, as the people I know and the others I have talked to up there, tell you that you dont want universal health care. Why do you think people with some sort of money come here for operations whey they have to pay, instead of having it free up there? Think about it. And furthermore, who do you think would be paying for this? The taxpayers pal, you and me and everyone, and it wouldnt be cheap. And if your cousin in Atlanta is paying 1500.00 a month for insurance, they need to go to a different company, because they are getting hosed big time. You can buy it privately for a third of that from allmost any company around, so something isnt adding up right with this story, unless you are a left wing liberal trying to get us all to agree with the old Hillary care concept. Your not a left wing liberal democrat are you? If so, you need to say no more. I understand your agenda.

      • W. Palmer

        As I said you can find horror stories everywhere on the universal health care front, I can tell you many. But invariably they have been exaggerated but nevertheless are based on some fact.
        I find it difficult to believe your anecdote if it is a heart problem. I am at that age where almost all my friends have some sort of heart problem. I can tell you it is health care on demand with them, the slightest murmur or skipped beat and they are going down the road on a siren. I do not exaggerate

        Yes we have people who have died on waiting lists and there are endless stories of people waiting for months/years for hips and knees. This is not good.

        Unfortunately in Canada each province runs its own system. Here in B.C. they outlaw any private clinics where those who could pay are forced to wait and end up going to WA to get things done. Things could be done much much better if we could shift the politicians…. and that is the other problem Health care becomes politicized and are inevitably run by bozos`.
        But depending where you live depends on how soon they get done. My mother in law in England got a new hip 85 years old after a 3 month wait, not bad. My brother in London had the best of attention for his leukemia and all his other disorders until he died 2 years ago, in hospital. You couldn’t get better treatment even if he went to J.H. New York. on demand on time and in London!

        I lived in Hong Kong for some years, There is not a universal Health system there but the hospitals are free. Yes you get basic care but you do get care.
        My youngest daughter was born there, a breached birth, very difficult. My wife was in hospital for several weeks, the cost to me was $600.00 HK about $100.00 U.S. The surgeon who delivered my daughter I don’t think you could find better anywhere. The tax rate in H.K. is 16% flat tax, There is no sales tax or any other taxes except on booze, ciggs, perfume, gas and pop.

        My cousin in Atlanta pays what he does because his wife is dissabled and needs constant medical attention. Medical insurence in the U.S. works the same way as car insurance. That is not right.
        I recommended he go to California since the medical system is a little more generous there. I don`t know if I am right or not.

        I do live in Canada. I was born and raised in England, I hate socialism with a passion but health care I think is the responsibility of all of us. I am not a bleeding heart liberal I don’t wear any religious or political cap. I was raised in abject poverty in the U.K. as a child after the war playing in the rubble of a bombed out Birmingham.
        Medical care was one of the first socialist reforms to be introduced in Britain at the time and was very necessary for the care of a very compromised population and the young men who returned from the war injured and disabled for life. How would we have fared without it I shudder to think.

        Except for the rubble there are some parallels in the U.S. to my story above.
        I don’t know how a population can sit by and simply dismiss any reforms.
        Pay attention to what I have said. The U.S. pays more by far than any other country for its health care, but is not available to 30 – 40 million of its population.
        (That is more than the entire population of Canada) as many as the entire state of California.
        And who do I think would pay for it, yes of course the taxpayers. Like every other country. Better than the corporations, yes. GM may have survived had it not been for its Social benefits legacy. Medical ,drugs, what a cost! They have no business in any pension plan but what is a retiree to do if the state (taxpayer) does not provide. I feel very sorry for these people now they have nothing.

        You are obviously a young man, I hope you will become an old man. I hope you will look beyond the borders of your country at what others are doing. Don`t listen to a lot of biased and inaccurate anecdote to reinforce your own set opinions, Judge on fact. consider equally all opinion. and ask yourself what will you do in the next inevitable recession when you have no job and a sick wife who needs medical attention. I hope you don’t have to sell your home to get it.

        I love your country, I go there often.

  • Inventor

    Have you looked at any of the bills “PUSHED” through?? “Fun” read (Barf). Some of the lines “Hint” at supending the vote!!
    King OBAMA, the “Islamic” choice to trash America from within.

    Seen a Birth certificate yet??

  • David C.

    Americans should demand term limits. In the interim every incumbent should be voted out of office. It is so important to have government for the people. It is not something that we currently have! It won’t happen with the same folks running Congress.

  • http://blog.theavocadopapers.com Avocado876

    Mr Livingston: you appear not to have any faith in America. If it were true that “food police” will soon be a reality in the U.S. (do you seriously believe this is likely to happen here?) or that President Obama wishes to nationalize GM (you make that claim so forcefully, but without facts to support your claim), the fact remains that if the past is any guide, the system of checks and balances prescribed in the Constitution will keep such excesses from becoming reality. You seem not to have any faith in the Constitution; by extension, you seem not to have any faith in the United States. Perhaps I’m missing something. But I don’t think I am.

    Also, I think it’s interesting that this ultra-paranoid view of our country is most prevalent among two groups of people: ultra-conservatives and ultra-left-wingers. Interesting, isn’t it? And most people in between these poles are NOT worrying that the U.S. as we know it will implode at any moment. Perhaps you and the ultra-lefties should form a club or something. Just a thought.

  • http://againstNWO.blogspot.com Daryld Cason

    “They” want us to resist, but not until they have what they need in place to imprison us when we do resist. Have you googled “FEMA camps”? Have you googled “Georgia guidestones”? Have you taken a good look around where you live to see what might be being built or renovated that could be used to imprison us?

    Have you considered what the census – done a year early – is truly for? Do you know that every time you use your debit or credit card for a purchase, that information is used/sold for “marketing” purposes?

    Both parties are corrupt. The government, in whole, is corrupt. Not just America’s, but around the world. BO has been in training since he was a child to take this position. He has received training in Alinsky Socialism and Islam. He has been preened and primped to collect the vote of those who normally don’t bother to vote. He won very little land mass in the last vote – it was mostly in poor highly concentrated urban neighborhoods. Which he’s been trained to organize. Those who want more of the free ride through life.

    BO is here to work with corrupt governments around the world to bring about the End Times as they are described in the Bible. While you’re googling things, google “Bilderberg Group”. They, and their parallel heathen groups, have been in place since the 1950s.

    Have you read the CDC reports of who will be treated and who will not during the “next pandemic”? It’s available online and clearly spells out who will be left to die. I will be one of those.

    The US of A is the biggest bio-terrorist in the world. The swine flu that hit Mexico was just a test run. Wait to see what happens this fall – at your peril. The man-made flu is bad enough, but I’d be willing to bet my last bit of time here on earth that it will be the “vaccine” that kills most of us.

    De-population is the goal. Smaller group to control. As soon as BO gets the last countries on his list to sign on, it shall be done. China is a holdout. Iran is a holdout. Syria is a holdout.

    Don’t take what I’ve said as truth. Google. Study. Investigate.

    It will take more than some TEAparties to stop what is in play now.

    May God be with us all.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      But just remember one thing David. Obama isnt in control, these heathen countries arent in control, your not in control, and Im not in control. God is in control of things, and you state “May God be with us all”. It is written, “I am always with you”. But also remember this, the Bible was written as a body of work for the believer, not the unbeliever. So if you are a believer David, then God will be with you always. I dont know about you and where you are, but God will make my enemies foot stools under my feet. Rest assured, and know where the real power is. The Lord is shepherd, I shall not be in want.

  • http://donthaveone Mark

    Isnt it funny how you can write a piece here, clearly stating factual evidence that anyone can research without much trouble to validate its factuality, then some liberal comes along and tries to lambast you and writes all his twisted opinions about things, but never gives any factual evidence, or no factual evidence of what they say can be found, infact usually, it is quite the opposite, you find out that they were telling lies to try to get their agenda through. Just amazes me why people are afraid of the truth. I dont get it. I mean, the truth will set you free.

  • http://donthaveone Mark

    Really, what facts. Seems Barrack baby is running the presses ten times as fast and giving it away to the mobs running the auto industry, and giving it to his crooked bank buddies. Amnesty to illegals, lawyers for the prisoners of war. this is all Obama, not Bush. Second, I will let them tap my phone to get these terrorists out of here, as an american that is the least I can do, and Ill offer it up anyday, as Ive got nothing to hide. They can come in my house and look too, and Ill welcome it to catch these terrorists hiding out here. Barrack and his party want to take the guns, a big constitution right, and a fact that they want them. You stated that Bush relieved me of privace, your opinion, as none of my privace has been taken, you say he relieved my constitutional rights, again, your opinion not fact, as none of them have been approached or compromised by Bush or his admin, another of your lies. My freedom of speech has not and has never been violated by anyone, until now where Mr. Obama, your boy, wants to jail me if I state that God says “for a man to lie with another man as he would a woman is an abomination to the Lord”, and God does say this, and so do I, but your boy wants to make this a hate crime. Fact. Now who is imposing on my freedom of speech? So you have not stated a single fact, only your opinions, while I have stated solid facts once again. Quit bringing a knife to a gun fight, cause your bleeding all over here. I dont mind haveing an intelligent discussion with you, just please, quit stating your opinions as you did above, and state some facts. No, I dont want my government to lie to me. The Bush admin did one thing I didnt like, and that is they didnt reign in the spending like they were supposed to. That pissed me off. It killed them in the elections. It wasnt the left wing media anti war spew like a lot of people think, it was the irresponsible spending. Also Pal, if money is freedom to you, your worse off than I thought. Myself, I dont care to much for money. You see, Ive got an understanding with the source of it, God. If He gives me enough to have a bite to eat, a roof over my head, and some clothes, Im happy, and I give him the first 10 percent of it back, just as a starting point. Needless to say, I am in want of nothing.

  • Rich

    Hey lets get prayed up ,as far as i can SEE this is our hour to really shine forth and wake up the Judeo-Christian sleeping beauty no victory without a battle ( no defeat either ) I believe the Bible implicitly we are not to wage war against flesh and blood but do something …………………….. pray , declare , worship , show kindness …….. we are saved through and into eternity and not by ( our) power or might but by the Spirit says the Lord we CANNOT loose

    • keith

      he teacheth my hands to war! DOWN WITH SOCIALISM….IMPEACH OBAMA!

  • FarRightWinger

    Welcome in the SovietAmericaGulagUnio! This country has gave birth for communism in 1917, and thens ent the golds thru New York City bankers to Russia to overthrown the Czarist regime and unfold the greatest massmurder in human history.
    And now, the US is next!

  • Seth

    Let them try and take from what I decide I like. Hell holds no fury greater. I would die
    rather than succumb to this. Give me liberty or give me death.

    • Ed

      Please tell me why I risked my life during WW 2. I was fighting for what I would be a great country for my Grandchildren and great Grand children to hav a free country to live in and enjoy. Instead I now see a country owned by the Government. Can we all get together and vote out our present Government Officials? Let’s all get together and do what is the only way to correct things in this country.

      • Carolyn

        Ed, thank you so much for your service to this country. I for one get choked up and weepy when I hear the National Anthem or see a service person. I’ve ALWAYS been proud of this country and don’t even feel like I have the right to write to you for what you’ve done for me. I’m humbled by you and everyone like you who risked life and limb securing a lifestyle I have enjoyed for almost 50 years. A lifestyle I had also hoped my children would enjoy. I’m with you. Let’s vote this administration out! Let’s send him back to Illinois….we somehow managed to elect a president from a state with the worst economy, highest crime rate, highest unemployment rate, most corrupt politicians, worst welfare abuse in the country. A country of, what did he say, 56 states??? Wonder where he lives…that’s another story though. I do believe there is a hidden agenda in this stuff he is doing right now. I believe the focus being on pushing through the pork-heavy stimulus (stimulating what/whom???) bill and now the cap and trade bill is to keep our attention off something worse…what is it??? Many of the things he said during his campaign basically promised to shred the Constitution. Is that what he’s doing? Is he about ready to put an end to the democratic process and create a dictatorship under him??? Is he the next Castro? He sure seems to admire his work. The Chicago motto is…if you’re not with us, you’re against us, therefore you must die….will those of us with a voice suddenly disappear? Anyone who dares to challenge him? Let’s get our country back!

        I think the tea parties was a good start. I think we need momentum and more ideas. I think we need to each write a “report” of what we do with our income and how much taxes are being stolen from us. And I think we need to personally send him complaints on welfare abuses. I’m tired of working and being taxed to reward bad behavor! NO ONE IS A VICTIM IN THIS COUNTRY AND ENTITLEMENT IS INVALID!!! Ask any service man or woman!!!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Yes. When the enemy comes knocking on our doors, only then will he find what kind of resolve us Americans have, as regardless of our government forces, the people will then band together as one and the enemy will see our strength, especially if we take the fight to them in the name of Jesus. He delivered many armies to those smaller, who fought in his name.

    • keith

      and if ”they mean to have a war,then let it begin here!” my arms are oiled,my ammo stockpiled and i am ready to put to use again my 16 years of marine corps knowledge.they can have my weapon when they pry it from my dead corpse!,so says one very patriotic son of liberty!

  • Publius

    Progrssivism began with TR and reached a new level under Wilson. The American Progressive movement has looked for this opportunity since the days of the New Deal. When the amendment was ratified that allowed direct election of the Senate, instead of being appointed by the states, it marked the death of Federalism. As long as the income tax exists the government has a blank check and the power of seizure an imprisonment over every citizen. Neither party has represented us well and the freedoms on the Constitution have diluted ever since the Civil War. Nothing short of a true grassroots opposition that rejects the parties will make any progress. However, the dems have been much better at splitting the country into special interests that serve them as almost monlithic voting blocks and I do not see any easy way to overcome the electoral realities, dominated by urban populations that now exist. It will take a large mass of people to actively go to the streets, refuse to pay taxes and generally bring the current system to its knees. The power elite will actively and forcefully resist this, things could get very ugly over the next few years

  • http://Mr.HoguesWisdom Dale Hogue

    I find it interesting that the minds of so many Americans are controlled by the Main Stream Media and the two political parties who have taken turns controlling this nation’s federal government since the Civil War. The Democratic Party goes way back to the Thomas Jefferson’s administration, but it no longer supports the conservative viewpoint. Most of the present members of the Democratic Party don’t really know where their party leaders stand regarding the most important issues of the day. Many of them couldn’t write an intelligent critique of their party’s present day platform if their lives depended on it. And that is more than sad, it’s pathetic. Their political party is in complete control of the Federal government and they don’t have a clue as to how the members of Congress really function. And they don’t know squat about the thought processes of their new president and how he arrives at the important decisions that effect all of us. The Republican Party has lost its way. It can’t make up its mind whether it wants to be a conservative party or a poor imitation of the Democratic Party. And if Obama gets his way, this nation will only have one political party with any power to govern. Germany, Italy, Russia and Japan went through this process during the early part of the 20th century. When a single party gained full control during the 1930s in each of these countries — it brought on World War II. The citizens of these countries lost their freedoms and their individuality and the world suffered right along with them. Look around you, take stock, investigate your options, determine what it is you want out of life and set a plan of action. Then work at your plan. If you don’t or you won’t or you can’t, then we will all have the change that Barack Hussein Obama promised he would give us. And you’re not going to be happy with this change. I promise you!

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Our political situation can be boiled down to one simple sentence. We have not elected Godly men to these positions, as told to do in the Bible.

  • http://none Pat Mencke

    I was asked to enumerate the freedoms I say you have lost. So here goes,.

    *First and foremost, the most precious thing people living in a Democracy have is their right to vote. Rigging and corrupting our voting system has been the first order of business by Bush/Cheney. Bush did not win in 2000. His cronies handed him the election. Since then it has been anything goes with voting rights corruption.
    *Your privacy has been lost in all facets of American life. Starting with your privacy in your own home. You are counted, listened in on, your preferences are bartered and sold as is your private financial arrangements. Your family planning has been politicized. The Justice Department was politicized. Courts were packed with anyone who would support the party line. You have become torturers. Do you honestly want to be a torturer? Most of the rest of the world have outgrown such barbaric behavior. Your freedom to choose what kind of person you want to be has been lost.
    *Your education systems have been compromised to the point that America ranks at the bottom of learning achievement down there with Mexico. And Mexico surpasses us in some areas. So you have lost the freedom of a decent education or even a competitive one.
    *Because of the above you have lost your ability to find correct information, evaluate it, and make informed decisions. You are left with nothing more than believing what you are told. More about this to come. And into this bargain you have lost much of the enrichment of and flavor of human life, a sense of the possibilities and achievements, your imaginations, and the ability to be something more than followers. And you have lost all of this for your children also. If it were left to you, we would all succumb to swine flu because you would not be able to mount a successful defense. You have lost the freedom to choose to think clearly and deeply.
    *America will have trouble reforming health care in this Country because of a lack of doctors. Our schools are not attracting bright young people who want to be doctors and help mankind because they don’t know what science is. This is partly your fault because you cannot teach what you do not know. You don’t have to take anyone’s word for this including mine. inform yourselves. You can look it up. People who are not telling you these things are not your friends. You are being used.
    *You have lost the ability to know that you can go to the source of information and read it yourself. This is a freedom no one should ever let be taken from them.
    *You have lost all forms of unbiased news reporting. The deregulation of ownership of news outlets took that away from you by allowing anyone who had the money to buy up journalism. Whole sections of America get news from one source across their TV, radio, and newspaper. This means one source can control what you are fed and call it news. You have lost unbiased news distribution and it is THE essential ingredient in a Democracy.
    *You have lost the Justice Department that enforces our rule of law. It was completely politicized to the point that there has been no way any of us could be secure in the knowledge that our freedoms will be protected and enforced.
    *Since your education system has been compromised, you have lost the guidance of the best minds the world has produced because the teaching of science was thrown out of public education. You no longer even understand the scientific method of pursuing truth. Some of you have lost the idea that our goal IS to pursue truth. A lot of you don’t understand how human thinking at it’s best is subject to emotion, greed, fear, compromise, propaganda, coercion, mental illness. You don’t understand that data is collected to help make the best decisions mankind can make when needed. You don’t understand what a “good” research study entails and how data may and may not be used. You don’t understand the scientists share their data around the world and there is a continual and continuing world discussion on every facet of information the human race needs to survive diseases, cure ailments, go to the moon, protect our planet so that we may survive and live in comparable comfort. You don’t seem to know that data is collected and recollected, tested and retested, and that which proves to be valuable is kept and built upon and that that proves to be wrong is discarded. If you are not left with the ability to understand scientific thinking you will never appreciate that it is what has brought cures for millions of human diseases, taught us to harvest abundantly, brought 24-hour-a-day light into our homes, took us to the moon, allowed us to compete internationally, and kept our financial and economic services serving us instead of us serving them, until recently. The people who took this knowledge away from you became victims of this lack themselves and our Country and the world has been brought to it’s knees because of their mistakes. And so have you. You can’t trust your banker, your financial advisor, your doctor, your judge, your neighbor. That is a huge loss of personal freedom.
    *You lost the knowledge of our history as a National. You have been given a false sense of perspective by people who want your vote and play on your weaknesses. You have been told that your religion is the best and you have lost a sense of tolerance. Be advised that others are losing their tolerance with those of you who fall into this category, and will eventually become intolerant of you. America was established in reaction to the bigotry and fascism of the two great religions in Europe, the Anglican church and the Catholic church and their intolerance of everyone else. But in America you have been given the freedom to worship as you wish, in private, without interference from others. But this is a reciprocal arrangement. You must honor others’ freedom to do the same. AND if you would look closely at the situation, you will see that you should cherish this freedom for it is rare in our history. Nothing like it had ever been tried before. It is fragile. It will take only an invasion on our soil of refugees who are as intolerant as you have become to put your freedom of religion in jeopardy. If you were really thinking you would take this freedom home to your privacy and be content with that. When you come out into public view, your vulnerabilities are on display for all the world to see. If you insist that others worship in private and you do the same, you will be protecting yourselves. And the time has come for you to look clearly at the real picture. If your ministers won’t tell you this truth, you better figure it our for yourselves. Bush/Cheney has not done you any favors here. Their intolerant arrogance met with defeat and you are vulnerable because of the way they used you for your votes.
    *You have completely lost the freedom to control your health care system. We now have a system that allows pharmaceutical companies to make deals with doctors and government to swindle you, control what care you get and even withhold care if THEY decide to do so. This is not happening because of President Obama. It has been happening to you for years. This is all being done for profit. A health care system should not be a money making business. It should be a public service. We are being robbed blind and our lives are being controlled and threatened by those who should be taking care of us. And while we are on this issue, President Obama is not wanting to National health care. It would be good if he would take the profit motive out of health and put insurance companies and pharmaceutical manufacturers in their places and make them do what we need and not what they want to do pulling in huge fortunes each year that come out of our pain, Go to White House.gov and you can read for yourself what our President is trying to do with our broken health care system.
    *You have lost the freedom of choice in how you take care of your loved ones. Bush/Cheney has cut safety nets from below people so that the only way they can get health care, care for their elderly family members and raise their children is by joining the armed forces where they are promised these things that should be your birthright as an American citizen.
    *Corporations have the same status as human beings even thought they do not have children to support, they don’t feel love, they have no way to express joy, they care about no one and nothing human. They gobble up you time and every cent you make and get away with it because Bush/Cheney gave them money handouts and gifts you will never see. Trying to keep up with their greed has robbed you of time and energy to learn, to love, and to be loved. You have lost the freedom to be fully human.
    *Bush/Cheney set out to make you a slave labor force will no way to strive for or even know that other ways of life exist. And they nearly, completely accomplished that goal. Another six months under their rule would have you locked into slavery for the rest of your lives. You were robbed of the freedom to strive and be upward mobile, to grow and learn, to see the stars and dream, to be all that you can be.
    *Because they did not want you to bother them about the climate crisis, they gave you bad science and told you there is no problem even though the best minds on earth be demonstrated beyond a doubt that is our corporations are allowed to put profit before human beings, our entire planet will be made unlivable for humans. Why did you believe? Did you look the information up yourselves? Did you just believe what these criminals told you with no proof? You may have lost the freedom to choose to clean up our planet and the choice to make a better world for your children.
    You have lost the freedoms our American Democracy has tried to give you because you did not know enough to call these people out to PROVE to you what they were telling you. Send money. Vote for me. Freedom doesn’t come that cheap. You cannot think clearly and can be manipulated at these criminals will.
    For instance, President Obama is not trying to nationalize health care. A one payer system, which he is not advocating now would take the pressure off doctors to meet quotas, sell drugs, and would instead give them, the people who should be advising government on what products we need and how they should be dispensed, the opportunities to guide our health care needs. The government would be able to provide oversight to see that the doctors’ decisions are carried out on the basis of who needs what and not how much profit will be made for corporations. This is what governments do best. Good government can regulate fairly what each of us should contribute, gather it together, and take care of all our citizens as needed. This benefits us all. It is only bad government, like the Bush/Cheney who steal from the poor and give to the rich and let the poor suffer. They even nearly convinced you that that is the right thing to do. Do you really want to turn you backs on the suffering of others? That is surely not who you want to be. And it is almost certain that you will end up a victim without us all sticking together and sharing this load. The author of this article states, ” You pay your own premiums, through withholdings from your employer or direct payment if you’re self-employed, while someone else gets healthcare through the government, thanks to your tax dollars.” He failed to add–”so do you.” Also with a one payer system employers will not need to provide heath care and business will that much less burden on their income and how much they have to charge for their products and services.
    What the author says about the President becoming the lead stock holder in GM is true. The stock holders should have fired their corrupt CEO long ago but they would not. GM was going to fail and put millions more people and industries out of business. What Obama did was accepted business practice when corrupt leaders are bad citizens and trying to take as much from our pockets as they can get away with. It is good he fired this uncompromising and arrogant thief so that the company can get on with building an American automobile industry again. The author makes this sound like a terrible thing that was done. It was not. It was simply what was needed to keep this CEO and these stockholders from needing even more bailout money from us taxpayers.
    The author tell us about British homes being invaded by “inspectors” who will go through peoples refrigerators and tell them what they may and may not do as they feed themselves. I don’t even have to look this up tell you that this is probably a service that will be available if Brits want to take advantage of it. No Brit would put up with anything like what the author describes. However, Britain has been terribly burdened with refugees who may not know how to handle these issues. Islam and Middle East refugees have swamped Europe’s social wellfare systems and they may need to learn to eat better on a budget and such in order to stay well and out of hospitals. Many of these people are just plain ignorant and lost and may need some help. The Brits have spines of steel and would normally offer and strongly insist that you learn their ways of staying well and using the food stuffs they have available. In any case I suggest we all look at this more carefully. Whatever is going on there with food education, it is in no way a threat to us. The author is playing on your fears. Another way you can tell this is fishy is that none of the industrialized countries currently have enough inspectors to make all the inspections needed to keep assure the safety of what comes into our homes. They are not going to set up a whole new agency of “inspectors” to go into people’s homes. That would be impossible to do.
    Ruth Ginsberg is right. No use in reinventing the wheel. Informed and industrialized countries are running into the same problems in our legal systems frequently. They are standards of excellence to which we all aspire and some countries have already dealt with problems that we can learn from. There is no threat to us in any of that. Ginsberg does not write legislation. She cannot drum up some diabolical scheme to invade your kitchen. This makes no logical sense or no plausible connection.
    We already talked about GM. But to expand, what government does best is run health care, run our military, run our energy systems and take care of our less fortunate citizens in a humane way. They buy our battleships and air plains. They fight our wars. They take care of vets, except in the case of Bush/Cheney who neglected them shamelessly. They collect our taxes just as you give money to your churches, pool it all together and take care of these items that we would hard pressed to do for ourselves. This is the way government works. It is a good thing when handled by intelligent, compassionate, and honorable people. No threat here. We need this help. If you don’t like America, move somewhere else and try some other governments–say like Iran’s. The worst President we America has ever had has been defeated. Open your eyes and your minds and figure out what is going on NOW not four months ago.
    We’ve already looked at healthcare and you should not go and read President Obama’s direct speeches on the subject. He is not Bush/Cheney. We are damn lucky to have him. We need to be sure he wins all he attempts. We already tried the other way.
    America’s legacy is to produce the greatest amount of freedom for the greatest number of people. If you pollute, you may be required to stop so as not to harm the rest of us. That is reasonable and desirable. These are not new ideas. This has been the goal from the time this Country was established. You can do what you please as long as you do not harm others. That’s the bottom. You do not have the right to kill or maim others. You do not have the right to pee in the streets. You may not blow smoke into others faces who have chosen not to smock. Cigarette smoke is injurious to yours and other’s health. You may do it in your own homes privately if you wish. If you continue to overpopulate our environment, there will be more freedoms you will lose simply because there are so many of us living too close together. You are not guaranteed to act our with impunity any whim that comes into your head. We are striving to produce the freest living conditions for the greatest numbers of people. That is the best that can be offered. If you don’t like it, leave this Country and try another.
    The food police bit is simply ludicrous. If you are selling trans fatty acids in your eatery or spaying your salad greens with chemicals injurious to our health, you may be required to switch to different oils and ways of cleaning vegetables. That is the closest we will come to food police in our homes. The most good for the most people is what is promised. Bush/Cheney would have made you slaves. But he is gone.
    Human beings are scrawny little things. We don’t have large menacing teeth and claws. We are clumsy and slow moving. We cannot survive extreme temperatures. We have little physical strength compared to other species. There is only one advantage we have. We have more developed brains. Those are what has allowed us to survive. Our brains have allowed us to excel way beyond our feeble physiques. Our brains have allowed us to find ways to filter out emotions of fight or flight, fear, emotional reactions to stimuli, and we have learned much through the years about how to control for this distracting static. Don’t let ignorant people, unable to control their own emotions and greed and hungry for power, take these hard won abilities away from you. Check them out. Check me out. Check everyone out. If Rush Limbaugh tells you, “there was a study done,” ask him who did it? was it done well? does it prove what you say it does? where can I read the study for myself? how many people were tested? was it a double blind study? and MAKE HIM PROVE WHAT HE claims. And think about it. Is it sane to hope that the most powerful man on earth fails at his job of organizing the world’s resources in the face of the most disastrous time in mankind’s history? We either pull together or we die together.
    If these are not your goals, the goals of sane and humane people, I invite you to leave America and find a government you like better. We need intelligent and patriotic citizens in America.

    • Carolyn

      You know what? I only got through part of this before I realized you’re spitting out the same boring rhetoric that everyone before you has spewed. Why? Because you choose to listen to your brand of “entertainment” and call it “fact”. You listen to your biased, erroneous “news” people and don’t research their stories. Here’s a small sampling of your INCORRECT talking points…

      It was only organizations supporting democratic candidates that got investigated for voter fraud. And what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Let’s not forget the repeated failed attempts to discount absentee ballots from our fighting men and women! Oh, it was democratic candidates who tried that one through the court systems that you think has lost its’ guidance. Maybe that’s because the discounted ballots got counted and cost your candidate the election???

      The average grade over the past 6 years has gone UP 1.3 points. So whatcha gonna say about that? Basically, the kids graduating this year are smarter by more than a quarter than the graduating class prior to their entry into high school.

      Try looking up your own information. You may shock yourself. Oh, that was one of your talking points.

      You certainly are listening to biased media. It was the media that elected this president and you merely went along for the ride! Let’s not forget that a great many of these have openly admitted they were biased towards Obama when discussing him. A shiver even went up one guy’s leg!!! That’s just gross to me!

      Lost knowledge of our history as a National???? Um, I’m not even going to respond to this ignorance, other than to say we have NOTHING to be sorry for and I’m tired of a cream cheese president apologizing for the liberties our founding fathers suffered and died to bring us! SUFFERED and died. You wanna talk about torture??? Check that out. It was the British that tortured them…

      I have controlled my own healthcare for almost 30 years and for the time being I still control my health care. And I also pay for uninsured people to go to the emergency room because they spend their money on 45″ TV’s instead of health care, or cell phones and cable TV instead of health care….Do we see a pattern yet??? Affordable health care, GOOD health care, is only a monthly payment away and people CHOOSE to not take advantage of it. If you want free, I’m sure you can get what you pay for….

      This is where I stopped reading your nonsense because I’m shocked anyone can be stupid enough to put in print something like this. Who exactly was it that just recently, within the last 100 days, said that returning wounded soldiers need to find their own health care????? I think that was your president. Better check your facts. While you’re at it, read the Constitution and the amendments. You’re going to find some interesting things in there, such as the government will not interfere with private business – Ooops, Obama already has. We have the right to PURSUE happiness, it isn’t given to us, or our elderly – Ooops, Obama has just removed restrictions on welfare!

      I’m not going to waste any more of my time reading your nonsense that is spoon fed to you by bleeding heart liberals who don’t care if a child dies before it lives, but wants the humpback whale to get taxpayer funds to ensure it’s survival!

      You continue to live in your fantasy land and when it gets really gritty because this president has shown the world he’s weak, let’s see how fast you run. I’ll be standing in my front yard with a Bible under one arm and the American flag under the other saying bring it!

      Good day to you….enjoy your temporary fantasy.

      • Mirrisin

        You are an idiot. There’s really no two ways about it.

      • Mirrisin

        Carolyn and Mark,
        You are (an) idiot(s). There’s really no two ways about it.

        I wonder what you are doing on a site called personal liberty if you’ve no interest at all in keeping your liberties? [Paraphrasing, because I'd rather not read that garbage again] The government can come and check my house? Are you serious?
        Why do you think we’ve lost so many liberties? It’s because of ignorant people who are willing to sell them in the name of a false patriotism.
        The blame goes to the churches of America as well. Encouraging blind loyalty to the government is not right. I think the neo-conservative trend, of which you’re so obviously a part, is the single most damaging political trend in our nation’s recent history, hovering dangerously close to fascism.
        To Pat:
        Your list is far too short. The current administration has continued many of the neo-conservative policies engendered in the former.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Amazing. After reading this, I think, what a brilliant smart guy. How sad he has such hatred of Bush/Cheney who sacrificed their political careers for the betterment of the United States of America. Your assessment of them is off, and I truly believe if you could overcome your hatred, you could really be something positive to yourself, your family, your friends and your country. But this hatred will eat you up man. Youve got to let it go. They are gone, quit holding your hatred. They kept you save, more than the guy before them did, and we will yet see what this guy there now does. But unlike you, allthough I see no good thing happening with this Obama guy in office, dude, I pray for him everyday, and for his administration to make Godly decisions for this country to keep us on the right track. Did you pray for Bush/Cheney? If you didnt, your part of the problem.

    • Smilee

      My reply to:

      Pat Mencke on May 6th, 2009 at 1:00 am:

      Wow, the first intelligent addition to this dialogon here to date, Mark it does not seem to me Pat hated Bush/Cheney no doubt he hated what they did and we all should if we care about our freedoms. It appears to me it is your hatred of people that is eating you up and you would be well advised to follow your own recommendations. I do not sense any hatred from Pat. Carolyn, reading your response indicates that you are incapable of understanding what Pat really said, you had to add your own spin and interpretation to it so as to change the meaning of what he actually said. Open your mind and hear his point of view and stop injecting your biases, he clearly has his facts correct and invites you to verify them which you clearly did not do.

      Further to Mark’s Reply:May 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

      Our political situation can be boiled down to one simple sentence. We have not elected Godly men to these positions, as told to do in the Bible.

      REPLY:
      So who made you God’s judge on this, both Bush and Obama have said they are Christians and that they are Godly men, without having the ability to judge that it seems to me we did do as the Bible says then. But Bush does raise some questions when you view his actions over eight years, Obama with only six months leaves too little time to assess his actions to date. Assessments should be made from facts and outcomes and not biases and hatreds.

      [Reply]Mark:

  • http://none Pat Mencke

    OK, fair enough.
    Since you asked me to list the freedoms you have lost and I did so, you can now explain to me what freedoms I have lost in the last 100 days.

  • http://none Pat Mencke

    Your statements about your phone being tapped and your house being searched is simple paranoia and standard conservative prattle. Your perspective on this subject is so narrow that you shouldn’t show it off.
    Your statement about President Obama taking away your money is simply false. Obama has proposed a 3% tax increase on people who make over $250,000 a year. That is the only tax increase he has proposed. He also lowered your payroll taxes which you fail to recognize apparently. Who ever told you Obama would increase your taxes is blowing smoke at you. You should have looked up the correct information before you published this blather around the net.
    Regarding giving money to groups you don’t want to give it to, how did you enjoy Bush/Cheney increasing your taxes and giving that money to wealthy corporations?
    Re: Bill Clinton and the terrorists, President Clinton left Bush tons of information about Afghanistan and al Qaeda. Both Bush and Rice had Clinton’s reports and both of them stated publicly that they ignored the reports completely. Rice stated she was very busy and didn’t have time to read the reports until after 9-11 so she had no clue of all the possible ways America could have been attacked. They were both completely ill prepared for their jobs and arrogantly assumed nothing like 9-11 could happen here so they ignored the hard intelligence they were given. None of this has anything to do with Obama.
    One other point I want to make. “I know from talking to guys” does not constitute hard evidence. You should look up information on the issues this statement pertains to before you spew your lack of mental backbone around in public.
    Everything else you said was more of the same pure rot and doesn’t rate an answer.
    But, since you saw fit to call me a dirty filthy liar and call down curses on my head, I’ll just mention that you can’t spell or punctuate. You can’t write an intelligent sentence. You add two and two and the answer comes out five showing your total lack of ability to present a coherent few facts and draw a logical conclusion. Most of what you said was pure hate mongering of the Lush Limburger type with no substance and no solutions presented. You are a walking bag of hot air with no redeeming qualities and, oh yes, no vocabulary to speak of. You should never tell anyone they are uneducated because you, like the current Senatorial Republicans, are totally lacking in credibility.

    • Carolyn

      Pat, I’m afraid you weren’t listening when your president said during primaries that he wouldn’t raise taxes on anyone making less than $250k. After he took office, he lowered that to $200k, and again recently lowered it to $175k. How much is next? $50k? That came out of the mouth of your president. I didn’t hear it from anyone but him. Now let me explain something else you didn’t seem to hear. This nice little tax break we’re getting today will be paid back 200% by the end of this presidency, “under his plan”. Again, that’s not word on the streets. That’s out of the mouth of your president. I’m not sure you heard your president when he said that his cap and trade plan WILL NECESSARILY SKYROCKET YOUR UTILITY BILLS….well honey, if that’s not a tax, I don’t know what is!!! Before you start with your same rhetoric that you’ve been coached to say, let me challenge you to go to Obama’s own web site and READ FOR YOURSELF his speeches where he said these things! I didn’t put them there…the Republicans didn’t put them there…Obama said them and the transcripts are there to prove it. Next point…George Bush’s taxes. Here’s some research I did on my very own using government web sites…

      I grabbed this number and status out of the air, so it represents no one in particular and I just chose a year at random. A single person making $47,925 a year without any deductions. Tax obligation for:

      1999 (Clinton’s term!) $10,072.00
      2006 (Bush’s term!) $8,538.75
      2007 (Bush’s term!) $8,405.00

      Now I have to ask you….do you know the primary difference between democrats and republicans? Democrats believe in BIG government, little people. Republicans believe in little government, BIG people! Personally, aside from the moral issues my Christian faith requires, I like making my own destiny, paying my own way and not having government sticking their nose in every thing I need to do! I bought a new car less than 2 years ago and it’s paid off now because I pay more than the payment. I make 13 house payments a year, plus an extra $50 a month so my house will be paid off in about 6 more years. Compound these facts with the knowledge that my husband was murdered almost 3 years ago (next month) and I’m doing all of this on my own. He died “unprepared”. No life insurance, no assets…by the way, don’t let this happen to you. Expect the unexpected and get that life insurance even if you’re healthy. No one is paying my mortgage or house payments, my bills are paid by the sweat of my brow, and I don’t need any bail outs. I also don’t need MORE taxes on top of the taxes I already pay to “reward” bad behavior. Just a simple question, Pat. Do you smoke? If you do, then surely you must make over $250k a year because that federal tax that just got put on cigarettes only hits those over that margin right? Um…can you see that these “promises” of no taxes over a certain amount are already being broken???

      The gauntlet has been thrown. I challenge all of you to do this research all by yourself as I have done. I don’t take the media’s word for it. I look into it. Do yourself a favor and do the same. When you’ve armed yourself with facts, see what you have to say.

      • Smilee

        Carolyn

        Not all your facts are correct, some are, but the biggest distortion is Republicans are for little government!!! the years of Reagen and Bush the 43rd the republicans spent like crazy and borrowed to pay for most of it. Remember the surpluses when Clinton left office, he did it by holding the Republicans feet to the fire and forced this change in them Maybe your getting most of your information from the media etc. Time will answer this with Obama. Please accept my sympathy concerning your husband and I truly admire your coping skills and find myself truly proud of you for that.

    • Carolyn

      By the way, I just looked at the tax obligation for 2008 (under Bush). Single person making $47,925 tax obligation is $8,325. Can’t wait to see it go back to 5 digits “under Obama’s plan”….

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      Well I dont know about personal taxes, but I do know with the Bush tax cuts being rescinded and the new tax bills coming out, the business I work at just had to lay off 25 guys, and we have never had a lay off here in the 13 years Ive worked here. In fact, when Bush put in the tax cuts, we were able to hire 35 new guys. Thats 35 people working, paying taxes, spending money at stores, restaurants and everywhere else, generating state and local and federal tax. With the democrats taking away this tax cut Bush put in, I have to understand that my business isnt the only one thats going to hurt from this, and thousands upon thousands are going to lose their jobs, so that the democratic tax monsters can have their precious tax dollars. Its like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Or its like spending a dollar to save a nickel. Its not practical, and it doesnt work. Ever have a poor man give you a job? My business employ’s 95 people, well 70 now, and we did just 14 million in business last year. According to the democrats stats, were rich, even though on that 14 million in business we made a profit of 150,000.00. Our business is paying, as are thousands of others, and tens of thousands are going to pay with their jobs, and as a result, because of upping taxes, there will be less revenue in the tax coffers, because these guys just dont get it. This is a fact. Not my opinion, cold hard facts.

      • Smilee

        $14 Million sales and only $150.000.00 in net profits, not to good, do you suppose poor management may enter in here as part of the problem too?? “Ever have a poor man give you a job?” what does that statement have to do with anything or do you hate poor people too? Did they pay you enough for you not to be poor? Oh by the way the Bush tax cuts have not been rescinded as yet and tax increases to date for anyone has not occurred, in fact those couples under $250.000 annually got a tax cut and those of us on Social Security got a $250.00 one time payment about a month ago.
        Seems to me that you ought to deal more in real facts and cease the assumptions for your Companies problems, if any thing it probably happened because the economy was in the tank when Bush left and like a run away train it cannot be stopped and turned around quickly as you seem to imply by blaming it on Obama and democrats, at least be generous enough to give them enough time to screw it up before accusing them of it.

  • Richard

    People, of the United States. You are so close to being in chains. The Democrats, and the Republicans, are leading you to the same doom. There is only one news station where you will get the truth, FOXNEWS. Do you want to see things more clearly? Read these two books, now, starting with this one….”Liberty and Tyranny”, by Mark R. Levin. Then read “The 5000 Year Leap”, by W. Cleon Skousen. Buy them today. The Democrats are ramming through every crazy thing they can, as quickly as they can, for a reason people. I am old. I will not have to live in the world they are creating, you will. You won’t like it. The only way to “maybe” save our country, is to vote out the incumbants in 2010. ALL of them. There is only one way to destroy America, and that is from “within”. The people have been divided, the players are in power, and your freedoms are one step from the “pit of no return”. Wake Up America!!

  • JM Thomas

    At last! We heard last night that Congress is trying to stand up and read the bills they are working on now. Pray for blinded eyes to see! It is one thing when they just don’t read it and vote for it, and another when they understand it and vote for it, anyway! Which is worse?

    What O’Bama said about far right evangelistic Christians was before he was even nominated. He saw us as a hindrance to his plans. God, please let it be so! The only way we can hinder him, though is that the Lord send angels to intercede. We have no power at all, but we do have instructions: Php 4:7 (KJV) And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

    Did you hear him say he is going to have to get all education under the same roof? Wonder if that includes his sweet children.

    We need to pray for him to get some light from the Lord. He will really be surprised what he sees! Praying for him. We really need him to hear from Heaven!

    Maybe, just maybe he is on the road to getting some light.

    As for those who do not have words to express themselves and have to use the gutter language, my prayers are with you, too. May you also see light at the end of the tunnel.

  • JM Thomas

    Just thought of something that everyone needs to be aware of. One of these days, you many wake up and find that there are a whole lot of people missing. Their clothes will be found, and there will be no sign of struggle. There will be drivers gone, pilots gone, factory workers, store clerks, senators, cowboys, housewives, ball players and representatives gone – old and young.

    The FBI has had a handfull looking for missing children, but there are few that have not been found in bad condition somewhere. This will be massive, but don’t worry, all will be well with these missing.

    For awile it will seem peaceful, as there will be no disagreement about right and wrong. If you are lied to long enough, you are prone to agree. Suddenly, you will discover that something very important is missing. There will not seem to be enough evidence to find the cause.

    Those who in the the path of righteousness through Jesus Christ will be the ones gone. There will be no more chance to join his happy throng. The one world government will be in control. What a change it will be!

    Anyone that does not see it this way can go to the ole KJV of the Bible and get more details.

    Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    Study for yourself, and see where those who know not the light will be, and where those who do will be. That will give you something worthwhile to concern yourself with.

    By the way, I do not claim to have any goodness that will take me in the rapture, but Jesus paid my sin debt,, and my name is in the Lamb’s Book of life, and my price for entry has been paid. If yours is not, check out John 3, and start of search for a eternal life.

    I realize a lot of people do not want to hear about this, and if that is your case, just skip over it. I hope to see you in the rapture, though.

    Soldiers, I appreciate your sacrifice for the freedom of our country. I am so sorry, that freedom is looking grim, but be sure you will get your reward, if you know Jesus and the kingdom of God.

    • http://www.myverve.com/starforce Bruce M

      When writing the Scriptures to an unsaved populace, it might be better to spell out the Chapters name. like 1Thessalonians, chapter four, verse 17, teaches them to fish for themselves.

    • http://donthaveone Mark

      JM Thomas, you are my brother, and we will meet on that fine day. With all the mess the world is in, you and I for sure know that all these things must come to pass, and that the last prophecy to be fulfilled is for the evil one to make his appearance on the earth, and it is written we will recognize him. Unforturnately, there are so many running around in the dark with Satan’s binders on, that when he starts bringing down fire from the sky, they will get sucked in by him. Others who claim to know Jesus, but really dont, they may be led astray also, as it is written. None of us know the timing of this, so ready your hearts in Christ. It could be tomorrow, it could be next year, 10 years or 100 years. Be ready. I like to believe in the believers being raptured before the suffering starts, and some believe we will suffer some and then go, and some believe we will suffer death and then go. I wont go to the mat for this either way, but I do have the faith that my name is in the book of life. Rest assured all of you, believer and non believer alike, that Obama isnt in control, Bush isnt in control, the terrorists arent in control and the European Union isnt in control. Yep, God is in control, and all things go through Him, and nothing will pass with out His saying so. It took me 40 years of living on this earth to find Him, or should I say for Him to call me to where I would finally stop and listen to hear Him calling me, and It is my wish that none of you have to be stupid for 40 years like I was. Save yourself some grief, get down on your knee’s, and invited Jesus into your heart. Its amazing. Ive been on this side of the fence for 10 years now, and Im not going back to that other side. There is nothing there for me, I know, I searched it all over for 40 years ok. I looked everywhere, and its not there. Until you fill that Jesus shaped hole in your heart, your never going to find what your looking for, because that is what you need to fulfill you. All I can say is try it, and youll like it. Is life perfect now? No, there are still trials, actually many more, but Ive got the power to handle them that I didnt before. Good day all, and God bless. Please, for your sakes, give Him a chance.

  • JM Thomas

    Richard,

    I really appreciate your post. Isn’t it strange that the talk radio is getting the blame for all the ones that do not agree the new plan? A few years ago, the whole country agreed with the Constitution, righteous Judges, and they had work ethics. The tea parties were not criminal. That is exactly how this county was won!

    All talk radio does is give us voice to speak it plainly what many of us know. It is refreshing to know what is happening, too. Just because it is on Fox News, or any other station does not mean it is fact or a lie. It is nice, however to hear opinions from people that know! I like to hear it from C-Span, too, without some reporter’s opinion.

  • jack

    The US is done. We dishonor ourselves with the handling of the Dollar as a world reserve currency. We go after the people who were directed to protect us. We elect a heavy handed Chi Town politico boss as the Leader. We quitely turn ourselves into a socalist nation. We walk away from our roots as a Christian Nation. We polute the minds of the young with TV, games thay should not see. The makers obsolve themselves by saying it is the parents responsability, What about their responsabilty to populace at large? I can go on and on. It was nice while it lasted, may China have mercy!

  • STEPHEN J VELTROP SR

    BARRY HUSSAIN O’BAMA SHOULD BE ARRESTED FOR TREASON,NON AMERICAN CITIZEN POSING AS PRESIDENT/ AND ON THREE COUNTS OF
    CRIMES COMMITTED UNDER THE ” RICO ACT “

    • Catherine Crick

      I agree I also think that we should put the prisoners in Cuba in to live with the o’bamas,in the white house after all they all have the same goal, destroy America and all Christians.

  • wayne

    I love it that the governor of Texas is talking secession and the Governor of Montana just signed a law that basically makes it a crime for the Federal government to interfere with unlimited weapons rights in his state.

    The Revolution is coming, campers. The center of this country (that’s “flyover country” to the betrayers of the Constitution who infest the coasts of this country and a few cesspools like Chicago, Minneapolis, Detroit, Madison and Milwaukee) have had it with the Stalinists in DC and their Messiah.

    It’s 1775, folks. Keep your powder dry.

    • Norm

      wayne -

      I don’t remember anything in the constitution about belonging to the union being the option of the governer. The governor of Texas is a grandstander and would be a traitor (if he were serious). I think they hang traitors in Texas.

      As for guns, I think anyone should be able to own a flintlock musket just like they had in 1775.

      • Carolyn

        I have a couple…I know how to use them. And when I’ve blased that cap, I have more modern guns to take over.

  • JM Thomas

    Thanks, Bruce for correcting my error on referencing the scriptures. Appreciate your input.

    Since this is the National Day for Prayer, participation on our knees is needed. In fact every day prayer is needed!

  • wayne

    And I think I should be able to own a 7.62 mm minigun if I want to – or one of the 20mm Gatling guns I used to work on in the fleet.

    IF I WANT TO. I have a right to do so, too.

    Dammit Norm, the government shouldn’t be the only ones armed to the teeth and limiting us to flintlocks is the stupidest thing I’ve heard in decades.

    They’ve got every type of weapon in the world and the government is now the worst threat to our freedom there is.

    If you trust dirt bags like Barry Soetero, a guy who got away with murdering a campaign aid by letting her drown in his car who used to work for the KGB, ANYBODY from San Francisco, a mafia-connected Senator (involved with dirty “da family” land deals) from Las Vegas, a guy whose lover was running a gay brothel out of their DC apartment, and the whole other pack of traitors in DC AND THINK THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE CONTROL OVER THE ONLY HEAVY ARMS THAT MIGHT SHOOT THRU BODY ARMOR OR THE WALLS OF A HOUSE you are on crack.

    With ACORN running the census and controlling the elections via ballet-stuffing and Barry opening the borders and the ballot boxes to ILLEGALS, we will never get our country back without an armed insurrection started at the State level where we have a shot at the military taking sides.

    • keith

      right on!

    • Smilee

      reply to:

      wayne on May 7th, 2009 at 12:42 pm:

      Does telling all these lies ever bother your conscience?????

  • http://Mr.HoguesWisdom Dale Hogue

    If you’ve read this far down on the page, then you’ve gained a bit more information about how the “other side” thinks. And that is good, up to a point. I suggest that you go back up the page and read again some of these entries. Ask this question of the entry you are reading: Is this comment (or serious of comments) based on actual facts or is it based on the regurgitation of political propaganda spewed forth by one or both of the political parties? If it consists mostly of rehashed opinions, then you’re now aware that this particular writer knows very little about the subject matter he or she is pretending to discuss. However, your time as been well spent because you’ve learned more about the political message being sold to the gullible public by the political party from whence it came. As a post script I’m adding the following question: How come the Democratic Party nominates only brilliant, highly educated, moralistically perfect candidates for the office of president — (as they have been advertising since 1860) — and according to the Democrat spokespersons from each era, the Republican party nominates only the dredges of society?

  • republic

    Dale and comrades: Read just some of the voluminous material written by this country’s Founding Fathers. Then you’ll embarrassedly realize that’s whose “spewing” we are “regurgitating”, dude.

  • republic

    I am definitely on the “other side” with them (the F. F.’s). I sincerely ask you to read them before you keep subverting — i mean conversing on — the subject of the U. S. A. and it’s true situation now.

  • rodin

    Bob, I’m sure you’ve done a lot of research on food and health. Perhaps you should stick to these specialty areas. Your views on politics are extreme and not supportable. The far right Christo-fascist minority will hate everything that the current government does, no matter how efficacious. You say you dislike universal health care and yet the current HMO system allows billions to be wasted and channeled into corporate coffers. You say Obama “fired” a CEO, as if that’s a bad thing and then all I hear is people complaining about senior executives at AIG and how they weren’t fired! This is what I call sucking and blowing. At some point you have to live in reality.

  • s c

    Bob, thanks much for including one of Hitler’s many infamous remarks in the current newsletter. This particular remark needs to be stressed and repeated, as there are many people who do NOT understand what is going on around them. Hitler said, “How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don’t think.” That is pure understatement, Bob. It is true, and it puts the criminal antics of our government in a realistic perspective. I suspect that the vast majority of those who forward incredibly naive and childish feedback do not want to understand. Ignorance is bliss, and we have millions of Americans who suffer from self-enforced, mind-boggling bliss.

  • CherN

    I hope everyone is e-mailing their senators and reps. and not just blogging to complain. Due to this past election with the liberal media not doing its job, ACORN buying votes and us stuck with a wanna be dictator because of it, I have become an activist. I e-mail the people who we will fire if they don’t represent we the people. I tell them to defend and protect our constitution and keep us safe from our enemies and our president! I never thought I’d see the day America would be at risk of losing her sovereigny. We must make them hear us and if they don’t listen, elect all new PATRIOTS with a love of America and all she stands for. E-mail at least one a day. I e-mail all of them, not just mine.

  • http://yahoo.com Mad Mike

    All this rubbish about voting out encumbants. How is that going to change things? It’s up to us!
    Look at the info on The Fully Informed Jury Assn. (FIJA.org) Get informed. We are soverign! We seperated from the king. The bureaucrats do our bidding. If the law isn’t constitutional, then we as members of the jury have a chance to change it. We determine if the law is constitutional as well as the facts. Get informed!

  • Gerry

    What makes any of you think reps and senators listen to anyone unless they have money and people to get them elected. Last election in Massachusetts when John Kerry ran for re-election, the local media ran a complete blackout of the challeger. Even though he was on the ballot, they claimed John Kerry was running unopposed. The major media outlets wouldn’t run any ads, you see if they allow 1 candidate to they have to let the other also for the same rate. Refusing to run any ads in that race, guarentees no one will know about the opposition. And the RNC was utterly useless, no money no assisstance. I even heard people say (at the voting booth) – who’s this guy, I tought Kerry was unopposed?

  • http://none Pat Mencke

    I got another one of these:

    here is new reply comment:
    Dear Pat Mencke Yes America was tricked into a war based on a lie and the cost is still adding up.We have lost many of our most respected Americans in this war.I hate it !But you must know why we were attacked and will continue to be a target.We support Israel financially and militarily,they have been killing Arabs and stealing Palestine land since 1948 the year they became a state. We can agree both political parties (Dem. & Rep.)are corrupt liers and betray our constitution.Time is wasting Americans must join together as one and revolt if we are to secure a government FOR AMERICA not against America.

    First of all, it is simple minded to say that our support of Israel is why we were attacked. There are so many reasons why we were attacked that it would take a book to enumerate them all.

    Secondly, yes there has been much corruption in Washington. But now we at least have a President who is able to discern what is corruption, what is factual, what is necessary, and what our Constitution and history is saying to us. He cannot clear up 30 years of running government on corruption and wishful thinking based on myth. This will take some time.

    Third point, we abandoned the Jews all through WWII and then in 1948 we basically told them to drop dead. They refused. Through the last 60 years, although, they should have been hopping mad at us, they persevered and built a Democracy and a thriving cultural and economically sound, nuclear, country and remained a friend to us. The Palestinians, on the hand, have spent 60 years tearing down their own culture to the point that they have the lowest literacy rate around and breed nothing but hate and ignorance to the point of placing AK-47s in their babies cribs.

    Now what would have happened if they had admitted a devastating defeat when they lost the war, negotiated with Israel for joint occupation of the mythically “Holy” land, asked for space to live and then lived up to the terms of their agreement with Israel and gone on improving their culture, schools, economics, etc.? In fact all these things have occurred numerous times except for the part about living up to the terms of their agreement. Take Japan for instance.

    Don’t get me wrong. Both factions are a bit nutty. The Israelis for insisting they have to have that particular piece of land, and the Palestinians for not being able to meet the situation with intelligence, humility, and the good sense to make a few changes. They have remained beaten for the last 60 years with nothing but backward progress into the stone age. Israel is nutty but the Palestinians are nut cases. The Israeli Zionists are fundamentalists who fear peace–based solely on myth–and occasional blow up a Mosque. But there are far more Palestinians fundamentalists–translate that as Stone Age tribal devolutionists–than there are Zionists.

    Throughout these 60 years Israel has conquered three times as much land as they now occupy. And through various negotiations have given it back again a couple of times. Any of that could have been a Palestinian homeland with joint occupation of the “Holy” areas. Arafat was an ignorant self-aggrandizing maniacal dictator who, sold the Palestinians whole culture down the tubes. He kept the people too ignorant to think beyond his ravings. Even at that, Israel has given them the Gaza Strip to try again with. No they are not allowed total independence because they haven’t learned to curb their poor impulse control and simply won’t stop lobbing bombs over the fence. What are you going to do with people who do not care for their people, who are ruled by their infantile young men who now know almost nothing outside of armaments, and have no idea of life without war? You have little choice than eliminate them all together, which civilized people don’t do, or you contain them and give them a little freedom and see what they do with it. If they build schools, a government, an economy, you encourage them just as you would adolescents. If they keep using what economy they have to stockpile armaments, you have to cut them back ever so often and then let them try again. What would you do? They strike, you strike a bit harder to try to get them to use their heads, think about their women and children, open their minds to new possibilities.

    But the most important thing we have to pay attention to is the fact that Israel is a buffer between us and the Middle East. They are a nuclear Nation. If we don’t try to help them survive, they will be overrun by the Midevil cultures of hate in that area and the control of their nuclear capability will be in the hands of the people who want to “KILL THE AMERICAN!” Where would that leave us? Would we nuke their nukes first? Same situation in Pakistan!

    To paraphrase, and no offense meant but, “It’s the nukes, stupid.”

  • http://none Pat Mencke

    Saturday 16 May 2009
    by: Charles J. Hanley  |  Visit article original @ The Associated Press
       Geneva – A single word from Barack Obama has put new life into the stale old disarmament talks in Geneva, where diplomats are hailing a “remarkable shift” by the Americans in favor of a treaty clamping down on production of the stuff of nuclear bombs.
        The U.S. president’s word – “verifiable” – has set the 65-nation Conference on Disarmament on a possible course toward negotiating a treaty after years of deadlock, most recently because the Bush administration argued that a pact couldn’t be verified by inspections and monitoring.
        In his speech April 5 in the Czech Republic, Obama detailed a packed agenda of goals in nuclear arms control, including slashing U.S. and Russian doomsday arsenals, adopting the treaty banning all nuclear tests, and negotiating a “new treaty that verifiably ends the production of fissile materials intended for use in state nuclear weapons.”
        That call in Prague’s Castle Square echoed here in the marble-clad halls of the Palais des Nations, where such a Fissile Material Cutoff Treaty (FMCT) has been on the to-do list of the paralyzed disarmament conference since the 1990s, as one tool to stop the spread of atomic arms. Today’s fear of nuclear terrorism only heightens such concerns.
        “The U.S. readiness to negotiate an internationally verifiable FMCT can be considered a turning point,” pronounced Foreign Minister Franco Frattini of Italy, whose Geneva diplomats coordinate the talks on a fissile-material treaty.
        At the moment, only India and Pakistan – and possibly Israel and North Korea – are producing plutonium or highly enriched uranium for atomic weapons. Four “traditional” nuclear powers recognized under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty – the United States, Russia, Britain and France – have declared moratoriums on production. The fifth, China, indicates unofficially it has stopped, too.
        The world has a huge surplus of the exotic, manmade heavy metals known as fissile materials, whose chain-reacting atoms have been the core of nuclear bombs since Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
        When mere kilograms (pounds) can make a bomb, as much as 2,500 metric tons of the stuff – up to 2,000 tons of highly enriched uranium and 500 tons of plutonium – sit in deployed or disused warheads and in more surprising places worldwide, says the International Panel on Fissile Materials, a non-governmental network of nuclear experts.
        Weapons-grade uranium powers Russian icebreakers and U.S. and other missile submarines. Some 14,000 plutonium weapon cores sit in storage outside Amarillo, Texas. Hundreds of tons of bomb-grade uranium are stashed elsewhere in the U.S. and Russia awaiting “blenddown” to less lethal grades. More stuff sits in university research reactors worldwide. Japan’s nuclear power establishment holds almost nine tons of plutonium separated from spent fuel.
        Some material is under international oversight, but most is not, and questions are regularly raised about its security in so many far-flung places, especially when international terrorists are known to want to “go nuclear.”
        The expert panel estimates global fissile material stocks are enough for 160,000 bombs.
        “It’s a lot of stuff,” said Princeton University’s Frank von Hippel, panel co-chairman. “Nuclear disarmament, nonproliferation and prevention of nuclear terrorism are easy,” he recalled once telling a U.N. meeting. “All we have to do is get rid of 2,000 tons of the stuff.”
        Concerns extend beyond terrorism. For one thing, future deals to reduce arsenals will look shakier if states have facilities and tons of material at hand to quickly rebuild bombs. For another, a fissile-material treaty is seen as a way to bring India, Pakistan, Israel and North Korea, nuclear powers outside the Nonproliferation Treaty, into an arms-control regime. And other states, such as Iran, would be more deeply committed not to go nuclear if they join the treaty.
        That’s why Obama’s word resounded so loudly in the springtime quiet of Geneva.
        “I was very optimistic after the U.S. delegation said it would be flexible on verification,” Sergei Ordzhonikidze, Russian secretary-general of the Conference on Disarmament, told The Associated Press.
        The Bush administration, unenthusiastic about arms control in general, had objected that global inspections and monitoring systems for such a treaty would prove too costly and less than foolproof. The Americans also worried that intrusive verification might compromise military nuclear secrets.
        Others, including the international expert panel, say verification techniques can be devised to allay such concerns. Much depends on the scope of a treaty – whether it would simply ban new production for weapons, or also whittle away at the overhang of fissile stockpiles.
        “These are complicated questions to deal with, but as far as we are concerned they can all be part of the negotiating process,” said Italian Ambassador Giovanni Manfredi.
        Seeing the “remarkable shift in the U.S. position,” as he called it, Manfredi gathered the Americans and other key players in closed-door talks that have now produced a proposed plan for kicking off negotiations.
        “Everybody was in practical unanimity,” he said. “I didn’t hear any objection to having it as a verifiable treaty.”
        The full Geneva conference is now expected to decide on a negotiating mandate this year. Months and possibly years of arduous bargaining would follow, over issues ranging from how to ensure nuclear naval fuel isn’t diverted to weapons, to the question of which countries must ratify a treaty before it enters into force.
        The India-Pakistan standoff typifies the complexity of issues. With an arsenal smaller than archrival India’s, Pakistan wants a treaty that reduces existing stocks worldwide, thereby shrinking the Indian edge. In New Delhi, however, “India regards the FMCT as a cessation of production of fissile material, but not covering stocks,” Shyam Saran, India’s special envoy on nuclear matters, told the AP.
        A simple cutoff treaty “would be a problem for Pakistan,” said Zamir Akram, Pakistani ambassador to the Geneva conference. But “we didn’t want to be the ones to hold up the discussion.” As long as stockpiles are subject to negotiation, he said, “we are ready.”
        How ready are the Americans?
        The sudden opening here is sure to set off intense discussions among the Pentagon, the Energy Department’s nuclear weapons agency, the State Department and others in Washington. Citing the sensitivity of the evolving situation, U.S. diplomats in Geneva wouldn’t discuss treaty prospects on the record.
        One disarmament veteran who did, Italy’s former Geneva envoy Carlo Trezza, advised taking a long view.
        “How ambitious can you be?” he asked in Rome. “I would look for an initial cutoff of production, and later a reduction of existing stocks.”
        Whatever the outcome, a seemingly endless stalemate has ended. “The possibility is there,” observed conference chief Ordzhonikidze. “The will is there.”

    • keith

      we don’t need nukes anymore,we know have precision guided weapons and j-dams and moabs,tomahawks and other weapons that are just as destructivly effective at taking out commies and ragheads.this is another ploy by obama to be seen as the ”messiah”,the man of the hour.IT’S A SHAM! a p.r ploy! and i am not buying it!

  • Theresa

    Hmmm everyone are saying revolution is the only way to solve our Federal Gov’t over reaching. The problem is if we do have another civil war. How many foreign troops will be involved? Since BO or should it be BS is a marxist and if his hold on power was challenged I am sure the armed forces would not attack the people but if he appeals to the Other Marxist countries by putting our Natural resources as collateral. How many troops would be part of his coalition? 10 million? maybe 20 million? Are there enough patriots to overcome those odds? So a hot war is not a good idea… We need to use our resources inside the states to force the federal gov’t to respect the constitution.

    • keith

      it was’nt a ”CIVIL” war last time,it was a rebellion,slaves had nothing to do with it! we of the south were fighting against a tyrannical govt who thought they could tell us what to do in our own states and grew to big for their britches!
      600,000 southerners DID NOT die in combat and suffer 4 1/2 years of hell for slaves.less than 3% of the southerners who fought even owned slaves.we were being oppressed and we rose up against it.i could go on but i hope you understand,most do not now the facts behind the war of northern aggression,only what they have laearned through GOVT history books. i am from the south and a retired marine and i am not a redneck nor a biggot,i just was raised with the truth from my grandmother and grandfather.
      comrad obama has to be receiving vibs from the citizens of our nation that he is going to far,or as i fear he may be just to dense to figure it out!

      • Smilee

        Reply to

        keith Reply:
        July 5th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

        It appears you are still fighting the Civil War, what makes you so sure your grandparents truth was not biased and therefore not as accurate as you wish to believe. I believe it was the south fired the first shot of the war.

  • moehurley

    Present a solution. Stop the whining. If the Bush Admin had been held to the same accountability as the present Admin. We would not be confronted with the economic and global issues we face. The Government would not have to be addressing the mess we’re in. The last administration turned it’s head while this country was driven into the worst financial state it has seen of our own doing. The “Fat Cats” such as Madeoff, ‘made off’ with the billions and the entire country’s economy has been crippled and has impacted the world and the blame game continues. Are we really living up to “Country First” or does it just sound good to say?!!

  • s c

    a) this financial disaster began decades ago. b) Bush is out of office. c) this administration is part of Orwell’s 1984. d) you can’t spend your way out of debt. e) FDR was bad news, and he made the Depression WORSE. f) FDR didn’t know squat about economics. g) Obama knows less about economics than FDR. h) neither FDR nor Obama could run any business. i) Obama’s Treasury Secretary was laughed out of China. j) when China tells us shove our debt, the “game” is over. k) no one can look at this crap and say either party is credible. l) government ownership of anything is insane. m) big government is evil. n) career politicians MUST be out-sourced. o) ‘change’ con artists love fantasy p) Mary Poppins and Peter Pan belong in fiction – NOT in government. q) if you don’t know the difference between freedom and slavery, you NEVER will.

  • http://none Pat Mencke

    Steven Hill | Offer Paid Sick Leave
    http://www.truthout.org/061909F?n
    Steven Hill, The New York Daily News: “The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the United States has confirmed 45 deaths associated with swine flu among more than 17,500 cases reported. With the U.S. economy already reeling, workplaces also have been affected, causing President Obama to urge workers with flu symptoms to ‘stay home.’ But for far too many American workers, that is easier said than done. About 160 nations provide mandatory paid sick days, with 127 providing a week or more annually. Unfortunately the U.S. is not one of them, leaving some 60 million workers – 43% of the private industry labor force – without any paid sick days.”

  • http://PersonelLibertyDigest Fred

    Republican or Democrat makes no differance, Presidents are not elected, they are appointed. There is something much larger going on. Most of us will never realize this. And even when given the information, will reject it as crazyness. America is lost, it has been stolen, we have been lied to, deceived, and now finacially enslaved. At this point I fear there is NOTHING we can do about it. I’m not a nut or a Conspiracy Theorist. Just the average working guy with a good mind and am able to connect the dots. Just take a long hard look at whats happening aroud you everyday.

    • Mike D.

      Yes there is something we can do.” THOW’ EM OVERBOARD 2010″. The tea we’ll drink!

      • keith

        AMEN TO THAT,and it won’t be soon enough!!!!!! then maybe i’ll get work again!

  • Mike D.

    OPPPS, I meant “THROW ‘EM OVERBOARD 2010″

  • keith

    IMPEACH OBAMA….DOWN WITH SOCIALISM!!!
    to comrad obama the paper the constitution was written on is so much ass wipe paper to him. 1860-64 round one 2009…..????? round two is coming!
    he cares NOTHING about our rights or the constitution or this nation.hitler could have been stopped BEFORE he gained power and became intrenched,but they waited to long
    evil will only triumph when good men do nothing!
    impeach obama should be shouted from the rooftops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Mike D.

      More important is to dump all of the “nuts” he has surrounding him(2010).

      • keith

        amen to that,he is nothing but a figure head.

  • keith

    maybe the words of gen stonewall jackson will motivate and inspire……
    citizen soldeirs,i am here at the order of gen robert e lee,commanding all virginia forces,on april 15th of our lord 1861,simon cameron the secetary of war of the united states,sent a telegram to our governer john lecher,directing him to raise three regiments of infantry to be sent to assisst in supressing the southern confederacy,governers lechers answer is well known to you,but perhaps not his words,his wire to washington stated,you have chosen to inaugerate civil war and having done so we will meet you in a spirit as determined as the lincoln administration has exibited towards the south,two days later the virginia legislature voted for succession,just as we would not send any of our soldiers to march in other states and tyranize other people,so will we never allow the armies of others to march into our states and tyranize our people,like many of you,indeed most of you,i’ve always been a union man,it is not with joy or a light heart that many of us have welcomed succession,had our neighbors to the north practiced a less bellacose form of persuasion,perhaps this day might not have come,but that day has been thrust upon us,like it was thrust upon our ancestors,the lincoln administration required us to raise three regiments,tell them we have done so,dimissed.
    ………………………..same thing,different times folks!…………………………………………….

  • keith

    2nd ADMENDMENT……..
    a well regulated militia being NECESSARY to the SECURITY of a FREE state,the RIGHT of the PEOPLE to keep and BEAR arms,SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

    okay plain enough for you librals!!!!

  • s c

    Step right up! My name is P T Barnumboob, and I will sell my share of GM for a mere $1,000. That’s a bargain, folks. In the year 2250, when that share has doubled in value, just think of the profit potential!
    You can be the first on your block to sell that share, and invest in real estate in North Korea. By that time, all US companies will have been kicked out of America, and you’ll have to invest in those countries where it’s still legal to own anything. Step right up, folks. I’m ready to sell. Get it while it’s cheap! I’ll donate 50% of that share to ‘Save the Dinosaurs on Mars’ [fully tax-deferred in all 294 states].

  • http://none Pat Mencke

    Re: “we don’t need nukes anymore,we know have precision guided weapons and j-dams and moabs,tomahawks and other weapons that are just as destructivly effective at taking out commies and ragheads.this is another ploy by obama to be seen as the ”messiah”,the man of the hour.IT’S A SHAM! a p.r ploy! and i am not buying it!”

    Yes we do now have precision weaponry that can be creatively destructively. But there are “commies and ragheads,” your words, who have nuclear capabilities in North Korea and Pakistan and who are acting like 10-year-olds. Iran could be next even though that country is torn apart and totally unstable. There are also still thousands of nuclear subs and weapons that have not been dismantled lying around to be hijacked. These weapons are old and are leaking toxic radiation into waterways and soil. They are aging and becoming unstable and accident prone.

    Someone has to begin a program to stop the proliferation of yet more nuclear weapons and begin cleaning up the cold war mess we still have on our hands. You should be thankful that Obama has opened up communications and awareness (except for you maybe) to help all the countries who understand the risks to work together to do three things:

    stop the production of more nuclear weaponry,
    stop more unstable countries from acquiring nuclear capability, and
    clean up the toxic radiation by dismantling and destroying the current stock piles.

    It is a much more complicated picture than you seem to be seeing. All these facets must be addressed or your grandkids could be walking around (if there is a human race) with 10 toes on each foot, an extra eye in the middle of their foreheads, arms but no hands, legs that are 24 inches long, partially empty skulls, and a lot of other thing that would make us all hope they are also sterile.

    Try to keep up, will ya?

  • http://none Pat Mencke

    Carolyn Reply:
    May 6th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Pat, I’m afraid you weren’t listening when your president said during primaries that he wouldn’t raise taxes on anyone making less than $250k. After he took office, he lowered that to $200k, and again recently lowered it to $175k. How much is next? $50k? That came out of the mouth of your president. I didn’t hear it from anyone but him. Now let me explain something else you didn’t seem to hear. This nice little tax break we’re getting today will be paid back 200% by the end of this presidency, “under his plan”. Again, that’s not word on the streets. That’s out of the mouth of your president. I’m not sure you heard your president when he said that his cap and trade plan WILL NECESSARILY SKYROCKET YOUR UTILITY BILLS….well honey, if that’s not a tax, I don’t know what is!!! Before you start with your same rhetoric that you’ve been coached to say, let me challenge you to go to Obama’s own web site and READ FOR YOURSELF his speeches where he said these things! I didn’t put them there…the Republicans didn’t put them there…Obama said them and the transcripts are there to prove it. Next point…George Bush’s taxes. Here’s some research I did on my very own using government web sites…

    Your first sentence in in error. President Obama has said for the last 2-1/2 years that he would raise taxes on anyone making MORE, not less, MORE than $250K. That is still the figure he is talking about and it hasn’t changed. What a thing to read incorrectly! What website were you on? None of what you say has appeared on Obama’s website nor has he said any of it. Considered yourself called on all the other parts of this post also.

    With the tax figures for Clinton and Bush, Clinton left office with a budget surplus of $233 billion dollars setting an historical record. Bush left America destitute. Who is it likes big government?

    The rest of that story, you truly do not have the whole picture, is that Bush robbed us all blind. He robbed us and our Country and gave it all to his, as he calls them, “the have-mores.” He created the greatest gap between the poor and the rich we have known in this country. He so badly damaged our middle class that we cannot sustain our economy. The middle class has always been the people who kept our economy going. Now they don’t have money to buy enough to keep the economy afloat. He let us be victimized by every snake oil salesman who came along. That would include the auto industry, the financial sector, the healthcare sector and don’t forget the insurance companies. He allowed lobbyists to run America and they showed us all how little they care for us peons.

    At other times in history when there has arisen such a hugh gulf between the poor and the wealthy, the result has been revolution. It is a stupid thing to do to ignore the lower classes poverty and misery. Let alone allow big pharm and big insurance to build genocide right into our healthcare system.

    Also, don’t try to blow smoke at me about what Obama has said and what is on his website. I know what’s there. You were not on his site and you are not listening. You couldn’t have possibly misread his taxing scheme so completely backward.

    You also need to realize nothing is as simple as you would like to think (and hope) it is. You can’t take hardly anything for granted and you can’t figure things out by listening to people blowing smoke at you.

    We also now have a figure for how much we will have to pay for the carbon cap and trade. We know that it is about $163 per household per year. The alternative is a dead planet. Which would you prefer? Have you seen the movie “The Road?” It could help you understand what we are facing right bow. I would recommend the book but with your reading skills, you would really mess that up. But of course we both know you can read better than you are letting on, don’t we?

  • http://none Pat Mencke

    My reply to: Pat Mencke on May 6th, 2009 at 1:00 am: Wow, the first intelligent addition to this dialogon here to date, Mark it does not seem to me Pat hated Bush/Cheney no doubt he hated what they did and we all should if we care about our freedoms. It appears to me it is your hatred of people that is eating you up and you would be well advised to follow your own recommendations. I do not sense any hatred from Pat. Carolyn, reading your response indicates that you are incapable of understanding what Pat really said, you had to add your own spin and interpretation to it so as to change the meaning of what he actually said. Open your mind and hear his point of view and stop injecting your biases, he clearly has his facts correct and invites you to verify them which you clearly did not do. Further to Mark’s Reply:May 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm Our political situation can be boiled down to one simple sentence. We have not elected Godly men to these positions, as told to do in the Bible. REPLY: So who made you God’s judge on this, both Bush and Obama have said they are Christians and that they are Godly men, without having the ability to judge that it seems to me we did do as the Bible says then. But Bush does raise some questions when you view his actions over eight years, Obama with only six months leaves too little time to assess his actions to date. Assessments should be made from facts and outcomes and not biases and hatreds. [Reply]Mark:

    I believe I’m addressing Mark?

    Thank you for using your head. It’s good to meet you.

    You are absolutely right about hatred. I can think of a few people I hate–Hitler comes to mind immediately. Mostly I regard us all as being in the same boat.

    There is a saying that has been around for a long time. It says that “fear is the mind killer.” I would say that hatred is as bad as fear and is often a response to fear. So in my book hatred is a mind killer. So is prejudice by definition–a preconceived idea not based on reason. You can’t use your mind under the influence of fear, hatred, prejudice, and we have to include misinformation since it is being blasted at is daily by corporate news, and other arrogant assholes.

    We have to try to listen and actually work together instead of hating and fearing and spreading misinformation. A new definition of patriotism is unfolding. It is really an old idea that has been dragged through the gutter. Love of country. Respect for truth and each other. And use your heads.

  • http://none Pat Mencke

    Bill Moyers, a Baptist Minister, interviewed a former Insurance company Communications Executive this week. The results are below.
    HEALTH CARE
    Health Insurer’s Practices Revealed
    In an interview with PBS’s Bill Moyers last Friday, former health insurance executive Wendell Potter spoke out against the practices of health insurance companies, stating that “it became really clear to me that the industry is resorting to the same tactics they’ve used over the years, and particularly back in the early ’90s, when they were leading the effort to kill the Clinton [health care] plan.” Potter said insurers seek to “drive down” costs by refusing to insure “unhealthy people,” a tactic borne out by the fact that 47 million Americans currently lack health insurance. The “insurance industry has been one of the most successful, in beating back any kinds of legislation that would hinder or affect the profitability of the companies,” said Potter, the former head of Corporate Communications at health insurance giant CIGNA. Last month, Potter told the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation that the industry, which once employed him regularly, drops sick policyholders so they can meet “Wall Street’s relentless profit expectations.”

    BACK TO THE CLINTON PLAYBOOK: In 1993, right-wing pundit Bill Kristol urged Republicans to block any health care proposal in order to prevent the Democrats from being seen as the “generous protector of the middle class.” Potter says similar tactics are being used this time around. In the spring, a memo by Republican strategist Frank Luntz outlined the script for opponents of health care reform. Luntz argued that a politician had to first pretend to support it, but should then use phrases like “government takeover,” “delayed care is denied care,” “consequences of rationing,” and “bureaucrats, not doctors prescribing medicine.” That jargon is now routinely heard by Republicans arguing against reform. Republican consultant Alex Castellanos recently authored a memo that urged conservatives to co-opt the cause of “bringing down health care cost[s]” in an effort to “slow this sausage-making process down” and “defeat” it. Potter told Moyers that conservative politicians “want to believe that the free market system can and should work in this country, like it does in other industries. … They parrot those comments, without really realizing what the real situation is.”

    HOW INSURERS VIEW THE PUBLIC OPTION: Critics have charged that Obama’s proposal to enact a new public health insurance plan to compete directly with private insurers would lead to a “government takeover” of the health care system. Progressives have long argued that a public health insurance option is essential to controlling skyrocketing health care costs and achieving affordable coverage for all. Potter agrees, and argued that health care companies’ “biggest concern” is that the U.S. might adopt “a broader program like our Medicare program” which “could potentially reduce the profits of these big companies.” “The industry doesn’t want to have any competitor,” said Potter. “They certainly don’t want it from a government plan that might be operating more efficiently than they are.” He added that “we shouldn’t fear government involvement in our health care system. That there is an appropriate role for government, and it’s been proven.” Potter said that he doesn’t expect the public option to rid the health care system of financial incentive, but he does think it would keep insurers “honest” by offering a “standard benefit plan” that provides comprehensive coverage.

    SMEARING MICHAEL MOORE: In his documentary SiCKO, filmmaker Michael Moore exposed the deplorable practices of the major health insurance and pharmaceutical companies in working to deny coverage to insured individuals. Armed with the deep pockets of the health care industry, a number of front groups — like Freedom Works, the Galen Institute, and the Heritage Foundation — lobbed personal insults against Moore (such as perpetuating the false idea that “healthy individuals” would “wind up subsidizing people like Moore”) in an effort to maintain the status quo. During the interview with Moyers, Potter said that health insurance companies developed a concerted strategy to radicalize Moore by labeling him a “Hollywood entertainer” while pushing to discredit SiCKO as pure “fantasy.” But Potter said that he thought Moore “hit the nail on the head with his movie,” which advocated that the government-run systems of other western democracies produce better health care outcomes. The health insurance companies “don’t want you to think that it was a documentary that had some truth,” Potter said. To push back on politicians, Potter said the industry routinely worked to defeat anyone who opposed their interests. The strategy included running ads, especially commercials in an elected official’s home district, making contributions to a competitor, and using “lobbyists and their own staff to go onto Capitol Hill and say, ‘Look, you don’t want to believe this movie. You don’t want to talk about it. You don’t want to endorse it. And if you do, we can make things tough for you.” Potter said the plan “worked beautifully” with politicians mouthing the “talking points that had been circulated by the industry.”

  • http://www.stanelaine.com Stan

    Connecting the dots, and there are so many!
    Hello Bob Livingston,
    I recently discovered Personal Liberty Digest, hence my belated response. You are absolutely correct, seemingly unrelated issues are actually related. Since the sheer volume of critical issues before us is so overwhelming, I’d like to address just one; Healthcare. The Obamacare/Pelosi nightmare has nothing to do with the ‘health’ of our people. And it has nothing to do with ‘caring’ for our ailing citizens, it is all about control….control of the people! It must be abundently clear by now that Obama is a liar. What can we possibly acheive by trying to reason with a liar? Even worse, he does not even care.I agree with Charles Krauthammer, he is a narcissist…But he has been installed as leader of the most destructive government in US history and we cannot ignore him. If he, Pelosi, Reid & motly crew are successful getting this nightmare bill passed,it will cause unimaginable misery for the American people.
    The Bill was not intended to be understood by the average person, the writers do not want the public to know what it means! When you glean through the devious rhetoric contained in the Bill,you’ll discover the ugly truth awaiting us when the bill is ratified.The most sickening portions of this bill are those issues relating to depopulation(birth control education & abortion) and euthanasia (disguised under palliative care councelling) IF the Bill is passed, it will be a celebrated triumph for the Socialists. Their success is nigh. For information about the realities of life under a “Socialist Regime” read any book on GULAGS in the (then) USSR. 50 million perished in labor camps…In Nazi Germany, a similar story. The ‘nutzlosenesser’ (useless eaters) were disposable. Whether we call it Communism, Marxism, Fascism, Nazism or Socialism, they are all under the umbrella of ‘Collectivism’….a tyranical regime that controls it’s subjects! Under such conditions, we will be as ‘they’ see us, items, disposable commodities. Again, it is all about control.
    Bob, how do we bring these realities to the attention of the American people???

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Stan,
      We must continue to encourage people to divest themselves of the mainstream media and read alternative media (such as Personal Liberty Digest and The Bob Livingston Letter) and to study their history. They have to learn to think in a new paradigm. Education is the key.
      Best,
      Bob

  • http://www.stanelaine.com Stan

    Hello Bob,
    Thank you for taking the time to respond. If I had the means, I would get you, G.Edward Griffin, Ron Paul and Edwin Vieira on a Glenn Beck (4 million viewers)panel discussion for one hour minimum….that is the kind of attention I believe we need to save our nation!
    If Beck is as sincere as he seems,I think he would do it. He has certainly come closer to truth than the rest of the Corporate Media actors on the Fox Networks so far. I persevered for years to become a naturalized US citizen of this great country only to see it now on the verge of collapse. To witness it following the same path as my homeland (UK)..is so very tragic. Please let me know if there is an effective way to lend my voice to help bring our nation back to sanity? One does grow weary of posturing & intellectualizing ourselves into academic oblivion! Hoping is good, praying is good, but without action, I’m afraid they are useless in the face of the ‘ultimate adversary’ that is facing our nation right now.

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