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Congressman Lamar Smith Calls For Resolution Condemning Reversal Of Proposition 8

August 13, 2010 by  

Congressman Lamar Smith calls for resolution condemning reversal of Proposition 8In response to last week’s district court decision to strike down California’s Proposition 8, United States Representative Lamar Smith (R-Texas) has vowed to introduce a resolution condemning the ruling when Congress comes back from recess.

The congressman, who serves on the House Judiciary Committee, will also urge an appeal of the decision, which reverses the ballot initiative banning same-sex marriage that was narrowly passed during the 2008 elections.

“This decision defies the voice of all citizens who have sought to define marriage in their states as the union between one man and one woman,” said Smith, adding that “Judge Walker’s actions should be opposed and the decision should be swiftly overturned.”

Smith’s initiative was praised by the conservative Family Research Council (FRC), which has also criticized what it calls “an activist decision” by Judge Walker that exemplifies “government by judiciary” that it says most Americans resent.

“This case is far from over, and we hope that common sense will reign when the case makes its way to the U.S. Supreme Court," warned FRC president Tony Perkins.ADNFCR-1961-ID-19923182-ADNFCR

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  • s c

    Whatever it takes to make social engineering judges nervous [and think long and hard before they render any useful idiot decisions] is what must be done. I’m sure Walker judge was petted, stroked and pampered after rendering his self-serving decision, but he needs to realize that this is America. A judge who dares to contradict and ignore the will of the people is a judge who considers himself omniscient.
    Solomon could claim that he had no peers in making decisions. Judge Walker isn’t fit to be in the same room with a coffee shop gossip club. Probably, he didn’t graduate from Haavid, but whatever school set him loose him on America needs to get re-accredited if he’s a sample of what we can expect from that ‘institution.’

    • Jeep

      That law school would be stanford…

    • William

      sc. judge walker should be impeached and disbarred and never allowed in a court house again except to stand trial for crimes against the people,

      • Cynthi

        I agree. Disbarr AND impeach him, along with Susan Bolton of Arizona, which will eventually be overturned in the Supreme Court by a 5-4 decision, which should be a 9-0 decision! Frankly I’m worried about Kennedy’s vote when Prop 9 reaches the Supreme Court. He has been sympathetic to the “gay” cause.

        • Denniso

          This is America? Really, and what does America stand for? Equal opportunity and liberty and justice for all…the constitution is supposed to guarantee equal protection under the law for all citizens,isn’t it? NOTHING in the constitution prohibits gay marriage,so where do you people get your ‘holy’ attitude that says gays can’t marry? Many of you get it out of the bible,since there is no other place that proscribes it…sorry to inform you,but the bible belongs in church,and if you want to belong to a church that won’t marry some people,that’s fine,but you can’t use your church book,whatever it may be,to define law in AMERICA.

          • GUNDOCTOR

            denniso:
            THE BIBLE IS THE PRINCIPLE UPON WHICH THE CONSTITUTION AND THIS NATION
            “WAS” BASED ON. ITS PEOPLE LIKE THE DEMOCRAPS, AND FAGGOTS LIKE YOU, THAT HAVE CAUSED THE DEMISE OF THIS GREAT NATIONS PRINCIPLES!!!
            GO WASH YOUR FACE AND RUB SOME PORK ON YOUR “BUTT CHEEK BRUISED” CHEEKS!

          • steve

            if you want to call SODOMY marriage, it just shows how far you have fallen,those who practice Beastiality,pedofilia, can all say WELL THAT IS JUST HOW I AM, AND THE LAW SHOULD JUST GIVE ME equal rights. who says those things are wrong? who decides what is right or wrong,you, me or collective society? i say there is moral absolutes and you are absolutly wrong. you should stop prancing around in the streets, proud of all the fudge you have packed.

          • jim

            The constitution doesn’t say that you can either. Marriage has always been looked upon as between a man and a woman. If two people of the same sex want to live together, fine by me. But, don’t defile the word marriage by using it to join two people of the same sex. I agree that any benefits that are given to married persons should be granted to a gay couple but marriage should not be a condition necessary to gain those benefits.
            And please – keep you disgusting public displays of affection for the privacy of your home. Some of you people are more demonstative than a heterosexual couple in public. It is sickening enough when straights do it but it is plain vomit inducing when two of the same sex go at it. It seems you purposely do it simply for its shock value.

          • reinhold

            Marriage is a Christian institution. Rational Civil Conduct holds, ” That having made one’s bed, he must lie in it.” Homosexuals choose to defeat Nature’s God by living as Sodomites. Like any other offender, homosexuals are free to choose which bed they will lie in. Doing so the homosexual voluntarily accepts the consequence. The homosexual shall lie in the bed of homosexuality. This precludes these deviants from occupation of the Marriage Bed of Christian Heterosexual Monogamy ! No one shall ever have the right to set asunder what Nature’s God has joined together. The religious doctrine of the Cult of Homosexuality resides in the establishment of religion known as the synagogue of Satan.

            Christian Society abhors deviant behavior and American Law prohibits it. The Laws governing the Sacred Institute of Christian Marriage are bound by the Constitution. The Religious Cult of Homosexuality shall not be allowed to defeat Christian Law. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Those acting to overthrow the established American Christian government engage insurrection. That a homosexual acting under color of law pretending to be a judge assaults the lawful act of The People that founded the Christian Law of this Land is sufficient evidence to prove the belligerent hostility of homosexuals in general and that deviant judge in particular.

            The Religious Cult of Homosexuality demands that Christians are to be compelled to accept, tolerate and protect their religious practice of homosexual perversity. We shall not! The Religious Cult of Homosexuality demands that Christians are to be compelled to abrogate the law that they erected to protect the Sacred Institution of Christian Marriage. We shall not!

            Christian Law is recorded in the history of millennia. Antecedent to the Constitution, American Law, Government and Jurisprudence was founded upon the recorded Principles of Primitive Christianity as declared in the Christian Bible. Christianity is not founded in Talmudic Judaism! The synagogue of Satan (secular humanism) is an establishment of religion. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. In order to protect their destructive behavior, the religious Cult of Homosexuality is but one branch of this Tree of Evil that vainly seeks to abrogate the Christian Law and destroy the Christian Culture that is the foundation of American Liberty.

            Homosexuality is condemned by all Civilized Cultures. The Divine Power judged the arrogant hostility of the Cult of Homosexuality by His swift and utter destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. There, homosexuals learned fear when it was too late to obey the command forbidding their deviant behavior. Christians condemn homosexual conduct because this bad behavior threatens LIFE. The Sacred Institution of Christian Marriage nurtures LIFE. Because the Law prohibits it there can be no law respecting homosexual “marriage.”

            Those of the Cult of Homosexuality that demand that Congress make law respecting their establishment of religion in order to enforce their doctrines of secular humanism have failed. Resorting to judicial misconduct and a campaign of terror exhibits the diabolic purpose of the religious Cult of Homosexuality. All of Christendom shall meet such sinister belligerence with Eternal Hostility.

            The religious Cult of Homosexuality has crossed the Rubicon. Whether they are male or female these belligerents are Outlaw. Therefore they shall remain outside the protection of law.

            Americans cannot repent because Americans will not confess.

            NO KING BUT KING YAHUSHUA
            In His service

            Reinhold

          • Karolyn

            Reinhold – “The religious cult of homosexuality.” What? There is no cult. They live their lives as most people. God to whatever church they want. Believe or don’t believe in God. love their partners, families, and children, etc. “Cut” is totally out of place in this discussion.

          • Crystal

            Marriage comes directly out of the Bible. A book in which you truly haven’t any knowledge of.

          • Denniso

            Marriage IS NOT a Christian institution. Don’t you think people got married before Jesus appeared? Are you not aware that almost all societies in the world have marriage in one form or another? You need to think and maybe read before you post such nonsense.

            GunDoctor does what most rightwingers do…assumes that if I stand up for equality for another group of people then I must be one of the group…sorry Gunnysack, I’m probably straighter than you.The fundamental difference between Gunny and me and other liberals is that we care about other people including people not like us. Most of the socalled Christians are nothing more than provincial biggots.

          • Denniso

            Jim…the constitution DOES say that gays can be married because it establishes equal rights to all citizens…if non gays can be married then so can gays. Married does not mean in a church…that’s up to the church,it means married legally in the eyes of the States.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Jill

            Just the way the human body is made disagrees with your theory of “the bible is the only place that disallows perversion.” You people get aids, then pass it on, then decide you are straight and give it to the opposite sex. You defy nature. It isn’t right. You know it. That’s why you are so loud and demanding.

          • dolphine2u

            I do not need the bible. Lets talk about science. The only true scientific homosexual person is a hermaphrodite. These people are born with both sex organs which one is usually removed with in the first six months of birth with the parents making the decision of with the doctors help. Sometimes when the child hits puberty his or her hormones can be more to the other organ that was removed and can cause conflict. This can cause what people refer to as a homosexual. These people do not choose to be who they are they are born this way with medical proof to show for it. This happens in less than 1% of the population. Most are not known because of thank goodness medical privacy. None would ever use the childish phrase coming out of the closet. I know because I have a relative with this medical condition. Unless the people can prove that they are truly homosexual then this is a choice that they made and should not have no special privileges or the lie of marriage,adoption ,tax exemption,medical of spouse. Get a test and prove that they are who they say they are. They complain about the bible because it is easier than listening to the truth of science. If I am to get disability do I not have to prove I am disabled. How in the world did all these people became homosexual since less than 1% of people are born this way. Unless you can prove it, it is a perversion and was legally put that way for good reason.

          • Denniso

            Just for the record,again, I’m as straight as a fence post. You people are showing your bigotry and it’s not very pretty and it certainly isn’t very Christian of you. Jesus never said anything about gays and the passages in the bible were written by others. You need to act like Christians,as I’m sure most of you claim to be,and stop sounding like mean spirited non humans doing the work of the devil you also believe in.

            Would Jesus talk like you do about fellow humans?

          • Mustang

            Evidently you don’t believe in the law as Prop 8 was amended to the Constitution of the State of California and that is the law

          • Denniso

            OK genius, the Federal Constitution always trumps the State Constitution. Pay attention….The Federal Constitution is what rightwingers claim to love w/ enough passion to die for and the appeals court judge who made the ruling made it based upon the constitutionality of the law. The State law has to pass muster w/ the Federal Constitution.

        • Byron

          I too am concerned about Kennedy – I believe that these freaks that went against the people on prop 8 had already discussed this matter w/Supreme (Kennedy) – I do see down the line how all this will backfire on this minority group imposing it’s agenda on the majority – how does the nation of is lame treat these sodomites, that’s right, it’s all an oxy moron. this is very serious and will not be taken lightly by the People and GOD, I do see that HE has a strong sense of justice and humor!

          • trut

            Only faggots believe from the bible, GUNDOCTOR. FAG!!

        • Hank William

          Cheney’s claims he loves his GAY daughter.

          • JeffH

            Why wouldn’t he?

          • Mustang

            If your daughter was a hop head or a whore wouldn’t you have love for her but not her life style?

    • http://na MT

      There are three-fold ways to pu this judge in check or simply remove him altogether. Here is the list we can work toward to get him under control, (as he is clearly a rogue judge):

      1. Work toward his disbarrment
      2. As Jefferson did in working with Congress in 1801, they completely ELIMINATED 22 Federal circuit courts because of the same set of problem, (judicial activism and rebellion against its citizenry).
      3. Has Stanford delisted from Federal funding, grants or loans for acts of sedition and judicial activism, (and make them pay millions in court costs to defend against it just as the Fed did againsdt Bob Jones for being a ‘religious’ intolerant school). Stanford is ‘intolerant’ of dissent and thus must be delisted.

      OK, let’s get to work on this.

      • Crystal

        I’m with you. How do we start?

        • Denniso

          You guys are whistling in the wind. Lamar Smith is a typical politician trying to make some political points off the issue…when Obama complained about the Court ruling that corporations have the samr free speech rights as do actual people,the rightwing yelled that he was stepping out of bounds in criticizing the Court. Now,aparently you rightwingers love your political leaders complaining about it.

          Hypocrisy…

          • http://naver Samurai

            No one at this moment is as big a hypocrate as Obama bin Laden.

          • Denniso

            So you have no rational response to my comment?

          • http://naver Samurai

            I did answer your response with a politician’s name and the reason for posting it. You’re just toooooooo ignorant to understand.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Samurai,
            The appeals court reversed the reversal!!! One day before it became legal for gays to marry, it became illegal again!!! Guess that judge listens to the will of the PEOPLE!!!!

    • marvin blankinchip

      It’s about time Lamar Smith got off his ass and started doing his job. Being from his congressional distruct in San Antonio and a conserevative I have followed this guy for quite awhile. He has never been overly active in initiating any real change in the judiciary of this country. I only wish he would take on something a little more worth while.

    • EddieW

      Amazing!! One Corrupt Judge can over-rule 6 – 8 million Voters…why even vote if some idiot judge can throw out all votes…he’s a dictator!!! We might as well let corrupt judges rule!!!

  • JeffH

    Judge Walker should have excused himself from this case. He is a gay judge with a significant other and he and his are seen together at every function they attend, both straight and gay. That is a well known “secret” in San Francisco. He stands to make significant gains through this ruling, one the voters of California unanimously opposed at the polls, and make no bones about it…he’ll be getting married to his male companion. Just for the record, I grew up 35 miles from the City and gays don’t bother me one way or another…live and let live. When the people voted in majority the first thing the California legislators did, Boxer and Feinstein at the head of the list, was to start looking at overturning the vote against the will of the people. This, all my freinds, is what we are faced with thoughout the USA and again I’ll say “lets take our country back”!

    • http://naver Samurai

      I agree with you. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • ProudAmerican

        Brady, you seem very passionate about this issue. It truly only effects you if you’re a gay person sharing a loving relationship. Does it truly effect your personal life? Does it change your marriage? No. Are there more important issues in the world to be passionate about and really worth fighting for? Yes. I’m sure the bond between two gay people is as strong as the bond between you and your wife. It’s really comes down to something as basic as that.

        • http://foxnews s c 2

          God made the laws of our land and we should go by his word not made up laws to steer the people in living in sin !He created man and from Adam’s side made him a woman to be his companion and bear his children . A child needs a man for a father and woman for the mother . Two men do not match in matrimony !If this law is passed we will have to answer to God for the conditions our land will suffer.

          • ProudAmerican

            Actually, man created the laws of the United States of America. God came way before 1776.

          • http://naver Samurai

            Our laws are based on the 10 Commandments and our christian founding fathers believed in nature and nature’s God. Look up anything about our founding fathers and you’ll say I’m right.

          • Denniso

            The ten commandments are from Jewish law,not Christian. And most if not all of them were around in other societies for centuries before that. Do you actually think that god gave the commandments to Moses literally? You don’t think there was any law before Moses?

          • http://naver Samurai

            You must really like hearing yourself talk, repeating like that!

        • Coservative at Birth

          Homosexuality is abnormal behavior. I do not believe a civilization can survive if it codifies abnormal behavior. I have known many homosexuals. Most of them were abused at a young age by older male adults. They are confused and need counseling. Marriage is the bed rock of our civilization. It should not be trivialized by the miniority. I don’t think it would be prudent. By the way, there are statistics that gay relationships do not last because they are promiscuous. The break up rate is over 80 %. What will come of the children exposed daily to abnormal behavior? Get them back in the closet!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • David MD

            As a professional, and after observing the manner in which you’re choosing to communicate, your behavior as an adult appears quite irrational, and bordering on psychosis. I would respectfully suggest seeking a professional, or at minimum, talking your minister/priest to discuss with him/her the pain and anger you’re holding so tightly onto. Without resolve, it can be detrimental to your health and well being. It is more than likely the root cause of your lashing out at others.

            Respectfully,

        • JeffH

          ProudAmerican, this is an issue, Prop.8, that a majority of voters in California overwhelmingly supported. Now this law has been overturned. I could care less if any combination of two people want to bond, but the people majority of California have spoken. Why do you question samauri and not I. All he did was support my comment. I believe that a recognized marriage was intended to be between a man and a woman.

        • Joyce from Loris

          I travel all across the nation, and we see the LOVE that people can have. We have seen WONDERFUL relationships between people and their DOGS and now the liberals wants CIVIL RIGHTS for the dogs, so that the DOGS can sue!! Where will this stop? The fact of the matter is this…. THE VOTERS, AMERICAN CITIZENS, THE MAJORITY SAID “NO”. That is not what they wanted for their state. How does it affect me?? I don’t want my country transformed into SODOM AND GOMORRAH.

        • Crystal

          No it’s not as basic as that. With more and more homosexual filth being put in the public schools (as early as Kindergarten), it goes beyond what you think is basic. It’s now an attack!

        • http://naver Samurai

          I don’t know who you are, but how do you know me? State your name or I may ask Bob to keep you from posting. This issue is about more than 2 people wanting to be together. It’s about a judge ruling on an item of legislation, voted on by the people, legally passed through the government process, to only be overturned by a judge that is gay. As my father told me: “A good leader is not allowed to let their personal feelings and/or beliefs interfere with their good judgement at any time.” This is very true in this case. The judge in question ruled against it because he was gay. It was not based on any law or the Constitution. Acccording to this mornings news, the ruling has been put on hold. It seems that the people have done the right thing and have appealed this judge’s decision. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • JeffH

            Well informed and well said Samurai…

          • http://naver Samurai

            Thanks JeffH! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! I think I know who unproud unamerican is, so I just try to ignore him when I can.

        • http://naver Samurai

          God did come before 1775, you are right about that. Just don’t forget that our christian founding fathers based our laws on the 10 Commandments. Gay lifestyle is an immoral and unethical lifestyle. Before you say that they can choose, read this: “As adults, we make decisions everyday. You come to a fork in the road, you can go left or go right. The choice is yours, but you must hold yourself 100% accountible for your actions. You must also be willing to accept whatever repercussions come back on you because of your decisions.” My father also told me that. It may be a choice, influenced by satan in their hearts, but they must take the two things I’ve said above. No such thing as blaming someone or something else, because of what is happening to them. Can’t blame God, DNA, the system, church, other people, no!!!! You can only blame yourself and stand up like an adult and take responsibility. Gays tend not to do that. They blame everything for themselves being gay, except themselves. They really need to grow up and get a life. With everything that is happening with this strange group of individuals, they can only blame themselves.
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • HFlashman

        Depends upon what your god is and what you think is good for the country doesn’t it? Ever get a clue that if you’re viewpoint is disagreed with by most people, especially those with inteligence and education … perhaps you should consider that perhaps you may be wrong?

        • http://naver Samurai

          Dude, I’m just agreeing to what JeffH said. If you have a problem, take it up with him and shut your yap! By the way some of you act, you all must be in a gay relationship.

          • JeffH

            …or be shoveling coal when their time comes…

          • http://naver Samurai

            JeffH, I’ll personally give them a truck load to stoke the fires with!

    • William

      Jeffh. I have friends who are gay. as long as they leave me alone and respect me I will do the same for them. that’s why we’r friends,

      • Bob Wire

        I hate this subject! and have thought about it more then I wish.

        I’m willing to compromise !

        Civil Union ~ with all recognized privileges and benefits ~ Okay?

        Marriage? I think not.

        If that’s too hard to understand or accept ~ I’m sorry but rules of society conduct is based on the “norm” and not the deviant.

        That very nature of genetics is geared for reproduction of self. The very nature of heredity and the passing of the torch is built deep within our social system for clarity, documentation and understanding. The labeling of our off springs, family trees are complicated enough as they are. ~ what a mess!

        Civil Unions ~ ends the issue and creates less future one to be addresses.

        • ProudAmerican

          “Normal” is the setting on a washing machine.

          • Coservative at Birth

            Abnormal is a deviation from the norm. Therefore, homosexuality is deviant behavior.

          • http://naver Samurai

            Nornal is one man and one woman as set forth by Almighty God. Also, do not forget that Clinton passed The Defense of Marriage Act. This states that our country only recognizes marriage as one man and one woman. This also the will of the majority. Can you all be so passionate about other subjects than the gay agenda? I think you all have way too much time on your hands. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Coservative at Birth

          NO!! NO to civil unions. Anything that codifies deviant behavior will be destructive to civilization. Remember Rome and Greece.

        • dolphine2u

          They were already were given civil unions and are not satisfied. They will never be satisfied because love is not their agenda.

      • JeffH

        William, I’m of the same mindset as you and agree 100%.

    • http://na MT

      It will be overturned and the ‘marriages’ that gays will HURRY and get will be ruled invalid…just as before. Homosexuals are NOT happy with the legally equivelant title “civil union” because they wish to FORCE a definition of normalcy down the gullet’s of good American people and for what? The right to say “I’m normal”? Rain is not dry, the Sun is not dark, life is not death, and gays are not normal from either a Darwinian or religious perspective…and never will be. Shameful, twisted minds. Mutation is mutation and this is not a good mutation whether social or biological. Deal with it. This problem is surely one of the pillars of corruption and demise in the US.

      • dan az

        I completely agree and thats all Ill say on this subject,it grosses me out!

        • Bob Wire

          Hmm? well, maybe is some states but I’ve heard some awful stories that do make me “sympathetic” ~ on this issue.

          I make well be seen as backward thinking ~ but I’m personally not ready to accept same sex marriages as “NORMAL”

          and more then I was to see a bald man at Walmart wearing high heels and a bra! ~

          I know nature can be mean ! ~ I’ve seen the bearded lady, the wolf girl.

          I’m most willing to be compassionate ~ but marriage is a legal biding union of man and woman for a clear purpose of witnessed and testament to society.

          Otherwise, you are playing “Post Office”

  • Viktor Leben

    It’s just talk. The Republicans just want to take back control of congress. They are using the Christian right again.

    It’s just unbelievable that Prop 8 was necessary. This country is crazy. What are people thinking ? Look at all the homosexuals in our prison system, gang raping straight inmates … America has become like our prison system, homosexuals gang raping and killing straight innocent men, women and children. It’s happening today, you just don’t hear about because the media is under homo control. Just like in Sodom and Gomorra .. GANGS OF HOMOSEXUALS breaking into your house to rape and kill you and your family.

    The Republicans are just playing us. Laura Bush was on Larry King and gay marriage is OK with her ! You Republicans just sit on the fence…..

    Thanks for nothing, Republican Party !!!

    • tg7357

      You’re more than welcome, and in return, thanks to you libnuts foisting Barack Obama off on us. Give me 1000 George Bushs over 1 Obama. At least George had a game plan, which is more than I can say for the current regime.

      • Tim Layman

        It would be really wonderful if you actually new what you are talking about. We are in this economic mess because of the incompetence of Bush/Cheney! You owe it to yourself to get your facts from sources a little more reliable than Rush Limbaugh and Fox News (LOL).

        • mr P

          Tim, it would be nice if you actually read anything of substance. Bush’s last year in office had a deficeit of under 300 billion. Obama has already run up over a trillion. The unemployment rate is about 17% (real unemployment numbers).

          Bush’s last 2 years in office were with a dem. controlled congress. They were worse than the Repub. controlled congress. Obama is a just another liberal commie who wants to destroy the country. By the way, Rush and Fox news know more about what goes on than the gov. run press. They are afraid they will be called racist if they say anything bad about obama. If Tim could actually read and tried to verify everything he heard on ABC, CBS, MSNBC, or CNN he might learn something about this president and his regime.

        • tg7357

          Hate to break your lib bubble, babe, but I don’t listen to Rush, Laura or watch Fox News. Why is it that every time someone points out the faults, clay feet and marxist agenda of the Obama Regime, you sheep cannot imagine anyone drew their own conclusions about Soetero and saw him for the empty-suit-of-clothes he really is? I know the left wishes EVERYONE was as blind, deaf and dumb as they are, but its a sad fact we aren’t. We didn’t drink the liberal koolaide, we don’t want to become marxists, and we’re going to get Obama and CO out of the White House if its the last thing we do as Americans. Now, go put that bit of wisdom in your hooka and toke it up good, because reality is going to land hard on the left starting in November, and if you think we don’t like you, Barry, Shelly, and the rest of the Democratic / Liberal/ Looney Left Hitler Youth now, stand by.

          • William

            well said and well put Tg7357,

        • http://naver Samurai

          How could that be tiny tim? Bush gave us 2 tax cuts, got rid of the marriage penalty on our taxes, increased the deductions for children, etc., etc., the list is long and distinguished. What has this administration done about the economy? Messed up on the Gulf oil spill, forced an unconstitutional healthcare program down our throats (where more than 60% of the people didn’t want!), signed the U.N. Small Arms Treaty (Violates 2nd Amendment), wants to try to push cap and trade, etc., so how can you compare the two? Don’t forget it was the Clinton administration that told the banks they had to give loans to people that they normally wouldn’t do. We can also put some of the blame on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for destroying our housing market.
          I saw on CNN and ABC news last week of how people were living in tents outside of Atlanta, Georgia. There was nothing, nothing like that under Bush. The only people living like that under Bush were prisoners at the Maricopa County Jail in Arizona. I think you have drank tooooooo much kool ade. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • ProudAmerican

            Yes, tax cuts are a good thing in many cases especially if our tax dollars aren’t being spent wisely. However, if the country needs revenue to keep operating tax cuts aren’t the best way. According to the Treasury Department, when George W. Bush took office in 2001 the national debt was $5.73 trillion and when Bush left office in 2009, the national debt had increased to $10.63 trillion. That’s a 85% increase of $4.9 trillion. More than all the presidents combined in the history of America. If the last administration hadn’t kept borrowing trillions of dollars from other countries while at the same time cutting taxes, the country would be in the present financial situation.

          • http://naver Samurai

            You are wrong with your history and math. When Bush left, our debt was $4 trillion dollars, now it is more than $13 trillion dollars and may hit $20 trillion by 2012! Which administration are you talking about? You must mean this one that has borrowed trillions of dollars from China. Please post with facts and not lib propaganda.

        • William

          ti if you will check it out you will find the deemocrats were in controll the last four yeaars of the Bush Cheney administration. so put the blame where it belongs with you damned democrats,

        • http://na MT

          Tim Layman, it owuld be nice if yo kjept up with current events. The Brney Frank (D) and Chris Dodd (D) Subprime MOrtgage Lending Act ratified by a Congress that was majority Democrat in House and Senate was signe dinto law by then president Bill Clinton (D). Clinton was in the pocket of BOTH Lehman and Goldman and the contributed millions to his campaign as opposed to 100K to GHW Bush. The ACt coupled with the approved bundled derivatives, (also under Clinton), are the basis and cause of the mortgage meltdown and the entire Depression we are all sufferring under. Obama (D) has made it worse by attempting to use a Goverment injection form of Macr0-economics, (which never works).

          So, as you see, not only are yo9u horribly wrong on the accusation, you just horribly wrong on every possible fact. Are all liberal progressives this stupid? Another reason why we’r ein this mess…we trusted you to be intelligent, our mistake, (which we will own)

          • Coservative at Birth

            100% correct. I have been trying to educate my fellow citizens for 12 years. Great post.

        • Crystal

          Sorry Tim, but we are in this economic mess because of the Clinton years. Ever heard of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?

      • Bob

        Could you let us in on that plan.

      • Jerry Clark

        Yes George Bush Jr. and George Bush Sr. had a game plan, and it wasn’t following the Constitution, keep in mind that there are Republicans as well as Democrats who support the New World order which is to bring in a one world Dictatorship and bring in Communism, and Socialism under one roof. Supporting George Bush Jr. and George Bush Sr. or Obama, or Jimmy Carter, or Bill Clinton and his wife Hillary Clinton, or John McCain, Jeb Bush, John Kerry, Scott Brown etc. is supporting the New World Order.

        The Only thing different about Barack Obama is he is doing his damage in Secret and in open display whereas the Bush family did all there damage in secret.These New World Order people are in both parties and these are the people we need to get rid of, they want to destroy the Constitution. Watch out, because if Obama does not succeed in his agenda, Jeb Bush talking the talk of Conservitive Values, will complete the Obama Agenda. The Father of George Bush Sr. supported Adolf Hitler financially, this is what your getting by talking good of the Bush Family, they are no better than Obama, in fact they are all in the same camp together, just in different parties to insure they accomplish their agenda. Wake up America.

        • Coservative at Birth

          The accusation about Hitler has been refuted. Get your facts straight. I agree that the Bush family supports the NWO. They are the lesser of two evils. We need to purge the Republican Party of these people (McCain, Snow, Collins, Brown, Crist, etc.) and get real control over our Government before it is too late.

      • HFlashman

        Bush/Cheney game plan = rape the nation, screw the average American, do away with Rights, liberties and freedoms for all but the wealthy, enrich thier cronies and stratify the American society into entrenched immovable classes.

        Naw…I prefer not to return to that fiasco of a presidency. We’re in the situation we are today because of that regime. No thanks.

        • Coservative at Birth

          Igorance = Stupidity.

          • HFlashman

            Glad you have self recognition

        • http://naver Samurai

          Baaaa! Bush, baaaaa! Cheney, baaaaa! Tax cuts for the rich, baaaaa! No rights, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Can we please stop talking about Bush and put the blame where it should lie, at Obama bin Laden’s feet? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Jeep

      Viktor you are a real class act. Gosh, I don’t know of many people who could bash the gay community AND Republicans in the same breath. You should be more careful, you just might alienate everyone.

      • viktor leben

        Their goes my political career …

        To hell with politics anyway !

      • ProudAmerican

        :-)

        • http://naver Sook Young

          누구냐? 시끄러 미친 놈아! Those words are from my wife to unproud american (Chris!). Be careful or I’ll let immigration know what you are doing illegally! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • JeffH

            Translation for both comments:

            Young Sook says: August 14, 2010 at 4: 01 am anyone? Noisy freak! Those words are from my wife to unproud american (Chris!). Be careful or I’ll let immigration know what you are doing illegally! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            Seriously?!? Says: August 15, 2010 at 3: 10 am you think smarter. Stop embarrassing yourself! You are very rude woman. Start acting like a true American.

          • ProudAmerican

            You were asking how the judge could overturn the will of the people.
            Before June 12 of 1967 the will of the people had voted to ban interracial marriage in America. That was a bad law. At the time when the ban on interracial marriage was in place, the majority of the people voted for that law. Just because the majority voted for a ban on interracial marriage does make it right. A judge overturned that law. I’m very thankful for you and your husband, that you never had to know what it was like dealing with a law that would ban you from legally marrying to one you love. I hope the both of you will always have happiness in your lives!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Proud Liberal American,
            at a guess it’s you! otherwise you would have just ignored it, knowing you like we do from your posts!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Good job JeffH! Sorry about that, but my wife tends to speak her language. Seriously, you sound like unproud unamerican. Can’t fool me, dude!

    • Farmer

      Gangs of homosexuals??? LOL Wow! You’re nuts.

      As for the guy who says homosexual behavior never exists in nature….that rediculous. I have a farm. Trust me, it exists.

      I’m not condoning homos but really, do we not have more important issues at hand? If only the country was so perfect that the only thing we had to worry about was what the gays were doing.

      • Bob

        You should be out plowing instead of spying on the poor animals.

      • viktor leben

        Yes I am nuts.

        I’m not religous, I just want to be on God’s side. I don’t want to die !

      • OMG

        Hey, I’m gay and in a gang. We drive pink motorcycles with glitter streamers on the ends of our handlebars. Yeah, you don’t want to mess with us! We’re so tough – the other day we held this woman down while the others did her hair. Also, I really think the negative comments need a faaaaaaaaaabulous makeover!

        • Karolyn

          Thanks for the levity!!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          OMG,
          think your pink leather skirt got wedged in your black panty hose. you fairly squeaked on that last post!!! sorry guy, I just couldn’t resist!!!!

      • J.M.R.

        i don’t know what kind of farm you have but it never happened on mine

        • Seriously?!?

          I think it was the funny farm

    • Karolyn

      You gotta be nuts! Gangs of gays raping and pillaging! Wow! I think you need help bad mister. I can recommend a good therapist. BTW, the guys in prison are not gay – If they’re in there for any length of time and need to get their rocks off, they’ll do it any way they can. Besides that, it’s a way to control other inmates.

      • viktor leben

        Karolyn,

        What’s the definition of homosexuality ?

        1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
        2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

        Your got to be kidding, your saying they are heterosexual ? What Dictionary are you reading ? Talk about “fuzzy” logic !

        • Karolyn

          If you went to a prison and asked them, you can bet they would say they’re hetero. Of course, they could be bi too. Just like the rape of a woman is for power, so is the rape of a man.

          • Marc

            You make some very good points, Karolyn……

    • William

      victor are you gay? are you wanting to marry your gay lover? you sound like a gay liberal IDIOT who wants to marry your gay lover,

      • viktor leben

        Good joke William ….

    • http://foxnews s c 2

      Don’t blame Republicans . We are all created equal but this whole act about gays marrying gays is against the law of the land and the majority of the American people and God’s laws whether you believe in God Almighty or not ! I do not care if it is Democrats or Republicans if it weren’t for God we all would not be here on earth today . He is our creator and set the laws of our land so be it !

      • s c

        ‘S C,’ I don’t know what your game is, but I am not impressed. You have about two minutes to disappear. Get a high colonic, and take a long nap. Those nasty drugs will wear off in a few hours.

    • OMG

      Listen Mary, I’m gay and in a gang. We drive pink motorcycles with glitter streamers on the ends of our handlebars. Yeah, you don’t want to mess with us! We’re so tough – the other day we held this woman down while the others did her hair. You all better watch yourselves! We’ll break into your homes and kill your awful decor and then give it a faaaaaaaaaabulous makeover!

      OXOXOX

      • http://?? Joe H.

        OMG,
        You sound just like a kid I knew that just graduated from High school. good kid too, Mike Z. He could talk any way he wanted cause nobody wanted to mess with him!! I think I heard he went into the service just recently. His little girl was born last year and I wish him nothing but the best!! sure gave me a lot of laughs over the past 5 years!!! Oh, and before you ask he was STRAIGHT!!!

    • Coservative at Birth

      Laura Bush is not representative of most Republicans. To think that there could be a conspiracy involving all Republicans is silly.

    • Bud in San Antone

      Come on Christian right.

    • dolphine2u

      I am an independent because I’m American Born in an independent country. When I was young and was asked to register. I asked what was a Dem. and Rep. and not one person registering me could tell me. So I registered as independent. Not sell my vote to any group of people or have them vote for me whether I am for it or not. All citizen should be independent we are all born independent. We should keep our own vote and not sell out to groupies. It is our vote not theirs.

  • HFlashman

    One question…

    If a christian church minister states Gay Marriage is not against the Bible or should be tolerated in obeyance to the teachings of Christ…inasmuch as it comes from a Minister of a Christian church…should Christians not follow those teachings? Or is there only one interpretation of the Bible? If so, how does one know the “correct’ interpretation since I would assume those knowing the answer are not living (since finding the answer means you’re dead)

    • s c

      HF, just because you dare to ‘read’ the Bible the same way you ‘read’ the Constitution (you can read, can’t you?), you think you can interpret and re-interpret anything. You are an opportunist and a hack. You have no standards in your life, other than trying to AVOID having standards.
      The polite word for you is a progressive. You know full well that progressives would vote for and worship ANYONE, as long as your puppet masters tell you to vote for him, her or it, and that includes Hitler, Stalin, Mao or the prince of darkness.

      • tg7357

        PS—the Prince of Darkness is now occupying the White House. :)

        • http://www.youtube.com/CanadaLarry Lawrence Edward Calcutt

          Tg7357
          You Don’t really believe the Prince of Darkness is occuping the White House, do You? Obama is too stupid, to controlled, to much in love with himself and to much under the influenec of the real Prince of Darkness who, at the moment must be real proud of his working(s) for him. Just wait until the real Prince of darknes takes hold of the American Government, then you will have something to bitch about and fear. Be carefull who you vote for next time you get to vote. November I believe.

          • tg7357

            Newsflash: I didn’t vote for Obama: I had more sense.
            Second newsflash: At the rate the current regime is destroying America, there isn’t going to be much left for the POD to work with. You can believe what you like, but right now a visit from Old Scratch is pretty far down the list of things I worry about right now. Not with doublt digit unemployment, double digit inflation and and a marxist regime threatening to take over my counrty. Besides, God will deal with the POD when the time comes. I’ll tend to my own business here in the day to day, and let God deal with all the rest. We’ve alreayd worked THAT out.

          • Coservative at Birth

            George Soros?

        • Bud in San Antone

          He’s at the very least the prince of Darkiness.

    • del

      1 Corinthians 6:9

      Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.

      Anyone who Calls themself a Christian, should also believe that the Bible is the word of GOD. And GOD’s word is the TRUTH. And because it is the TRUTH we can not pick and choose which parts we agree or disagree with.

      • Karolyn

        Have you ever read any other interpretations of the Bible? Are you afraid? Why not open your mind to some other viewpoints. Bible scholars have been studying that book for hundreds of years. What about the gnostic gospels that were left out by the Church because they didn’t want the people to know them?

        • http://naver Samurai

          The Bible can only be interpreted the way it is written. If God says you will not or you will, how can’t you understand that? Being gay is an abomination in the eyes of God and there is no other way of translating that. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            See my post below; or better yet go to http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh5.htm; and it is a neutral website.

          • ProudAmerican

            Brady, I think your statment machine is stuck on auto-repeat.

          • http://naver Samurai

            Unproud unamerican, I think you need to look in the mirror with that comment. I’ll just say that we agree to disagree and leave it at that.

        • viktor leben

          Karolyn,

          You brought up a good point. You should look at the “New Testament” as a commentary or interpretation of what the “Old Testament” means.

          The source of the whole Bible is Jesus, He is the Aleph Tav of Genesis 1:1 and the Alpha and Omega of Revelations … The Word of God. Go with His “interpretaion” of the Old Testament. He taught the Disciples ! and later the Apostle Paul(for 3 years ).

          The Author knows better what His book means than any teacher …

          • Karolyn

            And didn’t Jesus teach the opposite of some of the laws in the Old Testament?

          • viktor leben

            Karolyn,

            Good question ! I’m not a Bible scholar , don’t interpret what Jesus says in terms of “opposites”. Go with the fulfillment of the Old Testament Prophecies. SOME things Jesus say in the NT are actually harsher than the Mosaic Law. Look at his teaching on Adultery as an example … Jesus (the author of the Old Testament) explains what He means by the Law He gave at Sinai ..

            John 3:16, 17 are two good verses to keep in mind. It all comes down to a God’s plan for redeeming fallen mankind …

            Look at all the different books coming from one author (Jesus) who has different assistants working for him. For example, Paul’s “books” in the Bible are actually coming from Jesus .. Paul’s writing down what Jesus told him… miracuously helping Paul to remember what Jesus said …

            We show our love for God by reading the Bible …

        • s c

          Define ‘church,’ K. Which church? Are you talking about Christians or pretenders? What you call ‘open-minded’ amounts to a form of brainwashing yourself. And, before I forget, this topic deals with that useful idiot California judge. Why is it so hard for some people to stay focused? No wonder you’re a progressive.
          If you’re the same K who rants in Outside the Asylum, I’m betting that your attempt at getting an education via a Pell grant will be like whizzing up a tree. Enjoy getting wet.

          • Karolyn

            I only respond to what’s already posted. The discussion is about homosexuslity in general; and i didn’t start it.

            The Church I refer to is, of course, the first Christian religion, Catholic.

            I don’t know of the website you mentioned; however, I do have a Pell grant and am just starting my fourth semester. (at 63)

        • Marc

          There is more than on interpretation…and translation…of the Bible. I have a book of “The New Testament in Four Versions” sitting right here. And you are right…some books were left out… by people that possibly felt they didn’t fit a certain ‘agenda’.

          • viktor leben

            Marc,

            The Bible was closed when the Apostle John returned from Patmos. With what limited knowledge I have, John spent his last years in Asia Minor (?) probably Ephesus …. At that time the New Testament was completed and closed. Their might be an exception with the book of Hebrews (?) but I personally doubt it. Hebrews was probably written before the Aposlte John died. John was the Apostle who witnessed Jesus second coming ! Jesus said he would.. when He was talking to Peter at the end of the Book of John ….

            Don’t believe the German theories on when the Bible was written. The German Higher Critics were fools who lived at the end of the 19th century … damn evolutionists !

            Many books were written about Jesus in the first century. Those books were destroyed by the Roman Empire. Christians were killed off by the thousands, and their books burnt, during the persecution under the Roman Emperors for centuries. The Christians, in the first century were alot smarter, theologically than the Chrisitians of the later centuries.

            The Chrisitan “holacaust” was over 300 years. The Christians were always looking over their shoulder, wondering when they would be martyred. Definitely not a good environment for educating the young ! That’s why we had the Dark Ages. Don’t blame the Christians, the Roman Empire persecuted them so much that thier was a “dumbing down” …

            The only books to survive (miracuosly preserved) is the Bible of today … Damn Roman Empire !!!! THEY destroyed so much !!!! The books that were with John at Ephesus (?) ( Asia Minor). The new Testament of today ….

            I’m not a Bible Scholar, I took a Intro course. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize the Bible was miraculously preserved …

      • HFlashman

        Didn’t even come close to answering the question…whose interpretation of biblical reading is correct? How do you know? And should your opinion be seen as the “true word” ? Jeesh ….

        • Karolyn

          Should yours?

        • viktor leben

          Jesus interpretation is the correct one. Go with the Author …

          • Karolyn

            Ah, but if you think about some of the things he said, you can get different meanings. “The kingdom of God is within.” I take that to mean that we all have God in us in us. As a matter of fact, God is in everything, because he IS everything. That is why we are all one – all a part of the whole.

      • Christin

        Amen Del!
        The Bible is “God Breathed” and is the inherent word of God. It is HOLY. Jesus is ALIVE… not budda, not mohammed, not any other “god” from any other false religion.

        To “mock” it Karloyn puts you in the Lost category. No need to “open one’s mind to OTHER view ponts.” God’s Word in the Bible is Righteous and Just. It is complete and “sufficient for me.”

        Moral Values are what our current society is missing. Why should I want to follow “Man” who is arrogant and sins when I can follow our awesome Lord of Lords and King of Kings?!

        Why don’t YOU get a Bible perspective girlfriend?!
        That’s what’s missing in modern day America… God.
        Mankind are sinners and WE ALL NEED JESUS to be redeemed and follow His righteous way… otherwise we are left to our sinner’s behavior.

        Thus, a sinning gay activist Judge usurps his Constitutional limits and overturns the (American citizen) people’s VOTE and makes unjust Law. Only congress as corrupt as they are can make Law.

        I Corinthians 6 : 9 – 10 (in full reads)
        “9 The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God. Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor theives, nor the covetous (greedy), nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers (robbers), will inherit the kingdom of God.”*

        When you take Prayer and our almighty God out of the Schools, Courts, government and society ingeneral… well, then you get Godlessness as listed in the above Bible scripture. Wise up.

        The GOOD news is ANYONE can be forgiven and redeemed by Jesus.

        1 Corinthians 6 : 11
        “11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.”*

        * (Foot note: Bible)

        • Karolyn

          I’m not mocking anything, and I do believe in God. However, I believe in a God who made us as we are and does not punish us. If he made us in his image and likeness (as spirit), why would he be angry when we use what he’s given us? He would not have given us free will if he didn’t want us to use it. The original text in the Bible was in ancient language, which IS subject to interpretation. Open your mind. But, of course, you won’t because you’re brainwashed. I was too for most of my life until I looked at another view and felt in my gut it was right. I set aside my fear and ventured out; and it is GREAT! being FREE of the condemnation of the Bible, which after all, was written by man.

          I am a moral person who lives within the law. I am a good friend to my friends and am loved by many. (Just to give you some idea of who you’re conversing with.)

          • Christin

            Oh Karolyn, Karolyn, Karolyn,
            Take yourself OFF the pedestal.
            You are a sinner sister like EVERYONE else.

            Your comments are NOT one of a Conservative Christian.
            You are full of youself and that demonstrates pride and arrogance.

          • viktor leben

            We condemn ourselves !! People just don’t want to believe that they need Jesus to save them from Hell …

            Jesus rose from the dead. It’s recorded in the New Testament, a book that was miraculously preserved . To need more proof is just “Reductio ad absurdum”. There it is ! There’s the proof !

            Bibles are everywhere. The Author has put His own commentaries/interpretations of what it means. It’s been translated into so many languages. What’s the excuse ? Simple faith in Jesus (only Jesus !) we come as we are. We only look to Jesus and He takes care of the rest. God forgives us …

            The Deal of a lifetime ….

            I’m not religous .. nor a Bible scholar.

          • Christin

            You are a believer in Christ.
            That’s all actually that the Bible says you have to do… is BELIEVE in Jesus Christ.
            Job well done, vicktor.

        • Marc

          I Corinthians 6 : 9 – 10 (in full reads)
          “9 The unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God. Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor theives, nor the covetous (greedy), nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers (robbers), will inherit the kingdom of God.”*
          I just checked four versions of this verse (King James, Revised Standard, Phillips Modern English and New English Bible) None of them state it EXACTLY as you quote it.
          What version were you refering to? Everytime Man translates or interprets something, it seems to pick up small changes…. how can you be so sure what things were first written ? (And consider some Books may have been written much after the time events occurred.)

    • del

      Leviticus 18:22
      Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
      Leviticus 18:21-23

    • William

      hf if my preacher told us gay was ok with God and the Bible I would get up and walk out and not go to any church he preached in afterwards,

      • HFlashman

        Such is your belief, your right, and I have no issue with it. Now…how do you know he is incorrect? If someone thinks differently than you…does that make them wrong?

        • James

          HFlashman, For Christians, the Bible is the infallible word of God, and Leviticus 20:13 clearly states “If a man…lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman…they shall surely be put to death.” The United States, in their beginning, made the ‘sins’ of Bible either misdemeanors or crimes. Every State had laws which made homosexual acts a crime, but no State made such acts a capital offense. This held sway until the Supreme Court, in its recent Lawrence v. Texas decision, held such laws unconstitutional, in that they deprived an individual of “liberty” (in the 14th Amendment). But that does not mean homosexual acts are no longer a sin, God’s Laws don’t change (Mt. 5:17-19). If a preacher says homosexual acts are now OK, he’s referring to that High Court decision, not God’s Law. The Bible says we’ll all be held accountable for our sins, not earthly law.

    • Crystal

      The Bible states clearly what laws are to be followed.

      • Karolyn

        Oh, like not eating shellfish or cloven-hoofed animals. How about women should be banished to a special tent when having their menstruation?

        • James

          Karolyn, Animals that chew the cud and have cloven-hooves, are clean meats. Those that have cloven-hooves but do not chew the cud, like pigs, are not clean meat. The Bible’s food laws do not prescribe any punishment for disobeying them, the implication is that unclean meats will exact their own punishment, with ill health.

    • dolphine2u

      Then it is not a bible based preacher. Most people that believe the bible know this. Bible based teachings which is what true church is. It also says in the bible very plainly that many will be deceived from false preacher and religions but because you know his teachings hopefully you will not be. Churches that change their structure and teachings to conform to society are for social gatherings not real churches. Women pastors, women priest,gay marriages,openly gay clergy, It is not my God that divides a church to do what it wants. We are held accountable in this world and death.

      • http://naver Samurai

        100% agree! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • James

        Dolphine2u, Well said, the scripture referred to is Matthew 24: 4-5: “Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” That doesn’t mean some will claim to be Christ, then deceive, it means they will say that Jesus is the Christ (the Messiah), then teach a false doctrine.

  • J.M.R.

    ive never seen two animals of the same sex doing it .like dogs cats cows horses hogs need i go on

    • David

      1500 animal species practice homosexuality. Please see the site below:

      http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

      • ProudAmerican

        You’re statement is absolutely right. The only problem with that is there aren’t enough variety in condom sizes to accommodate all of them. ;-)

        • http://naver Samurai

          Your ignorance is a sure sign of your sick mind!

      • Coservative at Birth

        So what? I am not an animal. I have a brain that functions. Do you?

      • alpha-lemming

        I guess “practice” being the key word there.
        Doesn’t “produce” much of anything now does it??

      • Crystal

        What a lame website. Anybody can create a website to say anything they want it to say.

    • Karolyn

      Go to Youtube. There are videos. My friend had a dog who did it to a male cat.

      • Bob

        Don’t you have anything better to do?

        • ProudAmerican

          Don’t you?

          • http://naver Samurai

            I really think you have too much time on your hands. You asked me once “isn’t there other subjects that should be more important?” How about you taking your own advice? I really only see you when the subject is gay or something dealing with gays, so you are nothing but a board troll. Seeking to stir up the waters when you can.

      • Michael J.

        Karolyn,
        You must think positively, it could have been worse for the male cat, your friend could have owned a rhinocerous instead of a dog.

        • ProudAmerican

          Wouldn’t the cat need a ladder?

          • Karolyn

            It was a small dog. :+)

    • HFlashman

      Never lived on a farm have you …

      • Karolyn

        Kind of a quasi-farm. – Small

  • chucky

    The people of California spoke by voting against it.The gay community was all for the vote, thinking the most conservative state will pass this and get the ball rolling with a domino effect to put on ballots nationwide, and a judge who wants to legislate from the bench, add his own personal feelings rather than interpret the letter of the law which he swore to uphold when he took the position. For a judge to overthrow the vote of the people, He should of stood behind the people because of the majority vote and told the plantiffs if they did not like the result of the vote, then collect signatures and bring up the proposition again before the people and voters to hopefully with a majority vote, and get the result you favor.

    • David

      The judge took an oath to uphold the Constitution, not to uphold a particular law. The Bill of Rights is not subject to a vote. Ask Ted Olsen.

      • http://naver Samurai

        A good leader shall not allow his personal feelings or beliefs to interfere with his good judgement at any time. Chucky was right about this. The judge should have recused himself from the case. Since he made a decision from feelings, not the law or Constitution, it isn’t a legal decision and would probably be overturned at a higher court. People of California, don’t give up the good fight. Stand by your convictions. Hold onto them like a drowning man would hold onto something to stay alive. No retreat and no surrender! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • ProudAmerican

          Brady, it’s probably a good thing that you’re not a leader. Your personal feelings would surely get in the way.

          • http://naver Samurai

            Sorry, son! I was a leader in the army for 16 of 20 years. I’m also a father of four, church deacon, educater, have many more friends than you, so on and so on. By the way you are hounding me I would say that you are just jealous, because you have done nothing in your life and I have done soooooooo much more. 왜? 이놈은 질투해?

        • JeffH

          Samurai, it seems you have something attached to your backside, no pun intended…seems ProudAmerican is behind you wherever you comment here today. Might want to grab a roll of TP and wipe it off!

          • http://naver Samurai

            Agreed, but I hope these last few post shake him off. If not, the gloves are definately coming off. Army style, that is.

      • Coservative at Birth

        Behavior is not protected in the constitution. Ted Olsen is wrong. We descriminate against all kind of behavior all of the time!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • James

        David, the California decision has nothing to do with the U.S. Constitution, which says nothing about sexual conduct.
        Chief U.S. Judge Vaughn Walker struck down the voter-approved Proposition 8 (ban on same-sex- marriages). He’s a Republican who once came under fire for his membership to a powerful all-male club (the Olympic Club). Rumors had circulated for months that Judge Walker is a gay activist. A San Francisco Chronicle (SFC) column stated his sexual orientation was an “open secret” in gay activism circles. The SFC article quoted Maggie Gallagher (chairwoman of The Natural Organization for Marriage, a group that helped fund Prop. 8) who stated: “Here we have an openly gay federal judge substituting his ideology for those of the American People and of our founding Fathers who, I promise you, would be shocked by courts that imagine they have the right to put gay marriage in our Constitution.”

    • HFlashman

      The Constitution protects the Rights of the minority against the tyranny of the majority.

      • James

        HFlashman, the U.S. Constitution, with its Bill of Rights, protects our rights from federal government meddling. When the Supreme Court messes with rights within the States, it’s through the “liberty” of the 14th Amendment, or through misuse of their power over interstate commerce..

  • chucky

    meant liberal not conservative for California LOL.

  • tg7357

    According to a California lawyer, the Fedeal judge had no legal grounds to overturn Prop 8. Since this was law that was passed by a A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE, and became part of the California Constitution as such, it should have been appealed directly to the Supreme Court of the US, not put in that judge’s hands. The California Constituyion was bypassed (no surprise during the current regime)and that low-life Jerry Brown, who is the AG of California, let it go through with no challenge. Since he is runnning for Governor and pandering, this is also no surprise.
    You people in California have one sorry state government working for you. I hope you toss 99% of them the h#ll out of office in November!!!

    • David

      If that California lawyer said what you say, then he or she is out of the mainstream of legal scholarship. If a majority of people in your state vote to make you a second-class citizen, and deprive you of the rights and privileges all others enjoy, would that be okay with you? A majority said so, right?

      Constitutional rights are not subject to a vote other than through the Constitutional amendment process.

      • tg7357

        ” If that California lawyer said what you say, then he or she is out of the mainstream of legal scholarship. If a majority of people in your state vote to make you a second-class citizen, and deprive you of the rights and privileges all others enjoy, would that be okay with you? A majority said so, right? ”
        First of all, the lawyer IS a California lawyer, so I would imagine he’s got a pretty good idea about California state and Constitutional law: he sues them on a regular basis.
        Second: no one is making gays second class citizens, legally or illegally. No one says gay people cannot marry: they can marry anyone of the opposite sex they choose, and THAT IS THE LAW. I didn’t write it, but 56% of the citizens of California AGREE with the interpretation of the marriage clause. It was voted on, the MAJORITY passed it, now move on with your life.
        Third: all I’ve heard out of the gay movement is that because they can’t marry, they can’t make decisons about or with their partners concerning end-of-life arrangements, hospital care, real estate matters, etc. because the family can over-rule or ignore them. Here is a piece of free, common-sense legal advice: its called a power of attorney or a living will. POAs and LW’s trump family fights every time. They are easy to obtain, you can write them to suit your needs, and they hold up in court.

        • Bob

          Let them start their own churches and marry in them.

          • tg7357

            And therein lies one of the problems. I think in time the states are going to have to change the way ‘marriage’ is interpreted across the board. I think eventually ‘marraige’ is going to have to be designated as a church-sponsored rite, performed by clergy, in a church, temple, or other designated location. The other side of it will be called a ‘civil union’, that is performed by a judge or other legal official. One can’t be less binding than the other to be fair to the participating couples, both would have to be neutralized in a divorce process in a court, and it would allow all rights a privelieges to be equal to the couples wheather they were joined in a ‘marriage’ or a ‘civil union’. The difference would only be in the religious or non-religious connotation, not the underlying rights and laws.
            this of course iwll make no one happy completely, but it might serve as a middle ground, at least.

        • David

          So, all California attorneys are right because they practice in the state. Do you have any idea how many California lawyers are disbarred in California for incompetence?

          What about the California lawyers who fought against Prop 8? According to your standard, they must be correct on the law because they practice in California.It’s a bit more complicated isn’t it?

          This case is about discriminating against people and denying them equal protection under the law because of their sexual orientation. See Ted Olsen on the matter!

          • tg7357

            How about you see the Constitution on this matter? Hate to tell you, but the voting MAJORITY ruled on this one. It went to a vote of the people of California, they voted on it, and it was voted down. Now, according to FEDERAL law, since it was an issue that was made part of the California state constitution, the appeal should have gone to the US Supreme Court, NOT a federal judge. Its a little technicality called a LAW. So now, according to the law, not only is the judge’s ruling illegal, but Jerry Brown as the State AG should have challenged it going into said federal judge if the only law body that should have ruled on it WAS the US Supreme Court. If you want to disbar a California lawyer, start with him. In the meantime, you have a federal judge with a conflict of interest making up the law as he goes along, ignoring the MAJORITY (right, wrong or indifferent, this went to the people for a vote and the gays lost) overruling the California Constitution, and furthering this mess.
            The judge’s brief stated that laws cannot be based on ‘moral’ issues, which is a crock because he ruled on this from a ‘moral’ standpoint: his own sexuality. He should have recused himself, or Brown should have demanded his removal and had this forwarded to the Us Supreme Court where it belongs.

      • http://naver Samurai

        How is that david? Don’t they have the freedoms of speech, press, right to bear arms, etc.? Last time I looked, they weren’t taken away from them. Remember marriage is one woman and one man. Not only does this say so in the Bible, but it was even passed under the Clinton administration as the “Defense of Marriage Act.” In my home state, Indiana, performing gay marriages is illegal and you can be thrown in jail for that. To allow gays to do these things would, over time, destroy the family structure and family values. You can say all you want about the gays, but their way is immoral and unethical. It will never be an accepted practice in this great christian nation of ours. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Coservative at Birth

        We can regulate behavior as we see fit. There are no Constitutional protections for behavior. You are assuming there are.

    • Karolyn

      It should never have been put into the people’s hands. So-called morals should have nothing to do with the law. Actually, there are states that still have cohabitation laws on the books where two people cannot live together without being married. Should those laws be upheld?

      • Christin

        ” so-called MORALS should have nothing to do with the LAW?”
        Are you brain dead?

        All laws should be based on moral values and that which is RIGHT according to GOD. Morality IS important for our society to succeed.

        See the Ten Commandments in the Bible! They are still posted in most Court Houses. That’s where our Laws of our country came from.

        • Karolyn

          What I was referring to was individual moral values, such as believing gays are sinners.

          • Christin

            Homosexuality IS a sin. It does not come from an individual, BUT from God’s Word in The Holy Bible.
            Reread 1 Corinthians 6 : 9 – 11 above!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            Will you argue with God, too???
            Don’t answer that I am tired of your warped conversation.

          • http://naver Samurai

            Our laws are based on the 10 Commandments and are influenced by what is morally right. Sit down and look at your state laws, then tell me what you think?

      • James

        Karolyn, In the United States, the government is of, by, and for the people. The people created their state governments and delegated certain powers to them. Then the people and their states created the federal government and delegated certain enumerated powers to it. Where have you been all this time?

    • HFlashman

      And there are wacked out attroneys (some who worked in the Bush Admin0 who state the Constitution is a ‘quaint document’ and ‘of no longer any use’

      Hmmm…. they must be right since they’re an attorney…

      • alpha-lemming

        I don’t doubt you’re right

        The most famous person I recall referring to the Constitution as…
        “a quaint dociment” and railing on about “antiquated notions of personal property” was Hill-dawg.

        Oops…. look at that… another lawyer
        My bad!!

  • del

    1 Corinthians 6:9

    Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.

    • Karolyn

      1 Corinthians 6:9
      If Paul wanted to refer to homosexual behavior, he would have used the word “paiderasste.” That was the standard Greek term at the time for sexual behavior between males.

      • http://naver Samurai

        The Bible was translated from Greek and Hebrew, so homosexual would be the English term for it. Please stop wasting our time with this useless info.

        • Karolyn

          You’re wrong!

          • http://naver Samurai

            Proove it! State your sources!

          • Karolyn

            I just typed the word in my post. It’s pederaste, whick is Greed for homosexual. That was not the word used in the Bible. I don’t feel; like copying and pasting right now, but that’s the truth from a neutral website that states both “sides”.

          • Christin

            Your source is “a neutral website?”
            Did you ever hear of ORIGINAL SOURCES??
            Try using the Holy Bible!

  • FlaJim

    Resolution? That’s nuts Under Article III of the Constitution, all that Congress has to do is to nullify the judge’s ruling. End of story. There’s no power granted to the federal courts to weigh in on this issue and therefore, it’s left to the states or the people – who’ve already spoken.

    The enumerated powers given by the Constitution to federal courts are far less than those they’ve assumed in the past 190 years. And nowhere in the Constitution that federal courts are the final arbiters of what is or isn’t constitutional.

  • del

    Leviticus 20:13
    If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

    • Karolyn

      Here is another interpretation:

      “Many would regard “abomination,” “enormous sin”, etc. as particularly poor translations of the original Hebrew word which really means “ritually unclean” within an ancient Israelite era. The Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (circa 3rd century BCE) translated “to’ebah ” into Greek as “bdelygma,” which meant ritual impurity. If the writer(s) of Leviticus had wished to refer to a moral violation, a sin, he would have used the Hebrew word “zimah.”
      Leviticus 18:22″
      http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh5.htm

      Moreover, in other translations it is thought to be used only as Hebrew law and with regard to Pagan worship.

      There are more, but at least this gives you an idea that YOUR interpretation is not the ONLY one!

      • ProudAmerican

        Karolyn, stop being so logical! ;-)

        • http://naver Samurai

          If you think that she is being logical, then you’ve been smoking way tooooooo much liberal crack. It don’t matter if you stop now, because all your brains (penut sized) have been fried and unable to be fixed.

      • ValDM

        Karolyn,

        Please stop blathering about “interpretations.” Go back and read the
        creation story again. God said it is not good for man to be alone.
        He created Eve for Adam’s companion……..It was Adam and Eve,
        NOT Adam and Steve!!!

        • Christin

          Love it… I agree. Thanks for the morning chuckle!

        • OMG

          Adam and Steve broke up. Adam is now with Tom in a lovely apartment in New York City. Steve headed south where he met Gary. They’re very happy together. Adam and Steve still send each other Christmas cards every year, and have remained friends after all these years. I thought you’d appreciate the update.

          • Christin

            OMG, That’s a good one!
            You have a gift for writing.
            Thanks for the funny update.

        • Karolyn

          The story of Adam and Eve is a fairytale.

          • Christin

            The Bible persons named Adam and Eve are found in Genesis in The Holy Bible… FACT not fairy tale.
            You are not a Christian if you don’t believe in the WHOLE Bible.

            Maybe you have spent too much time memorizing Catholic Creeds and not enough time learning the inherent Word of God. Wisdom in the Bible is a Blessing for those who Love Him.

          • Karolyn

            I never said I was a Christian. Not anymore. How can you take a book subject to interpretation of ancient language and written by who knows who and say that it’s fact? Sure, the Bible is basically a wonderful book. However, (once again!) it is subject to interpretation.

          • http://naver Samurai

            What are you atheist? Well, when you die get ready to feel the heat!

      • viktor leben

        Karolyn,

        Keep studying. Was the sacrifice of a lamb also ritual ? Keep up the studies !

        Was the concept of “ritual” and “non-ritual” prevalent at this time in history (when Moses was alive) or is that a later Hellenistic idea or modernist idea used to interpret later on ?

        What is your logic ? Did these concepts exist at that time ? Is this interpretation in agreement with the author of the book ? Is this the meaning the author intended ?

        If you ever watched the Rodney Dangerfield movie “Back to School” Thornton hires Kurt Vonnegut to write a book report. The book report was on a Kurt Vonnegut book. Kurt Vonnegut got a “B” …..HA HA ! I think it was Kurt Vonnegut .. correct me if I’m wrong.

        The English teacher gave a “B” to the original author’s book report ….

        Karolyn, keep on studying. You sound like a future Bible Scholar, some thing I’m not …

      • http://naver Samurai

        Stay on the subject at hand and quit trying to twist things around. A classic strategy used by the libs!

      • James

        Karolyn, By tinkering with “abomination” and ignoring the rest of Leviticus 20:13, you are grasping at straws. The first five books in the Bible were written many, many centuries before the Greek Septuagint. The O.T. law simply says if two men do it, they shall surely be put to death. Frankly, it could be argued that since Christendom has never enforced that law, as written, we could be under God’s judgment now.

  • patrick

    ATTN: evertone… just once stop and think about how 2 queer men have sex? why doesn’t anyone explain this to their normal straight children? my understanding is that one of the queer fellows puts his penis into the other queer fellows anus, you know thats the place where your poop comes out, yummy yummy? it’s no wonder that queer gay’s are mostly to blame for the spread of AIDS worldwide! by the way, what was your answer when your kids asked you to explain the sex act between 2 queer gay people? did you tell em no comment? i think you should spread the truth to the children and i’ll bet 5 million dollars most kids would say, ” ICKY ICKY”. that my friends will be the begining of the stopping and promotion of the queer gay lifestyle!!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      patrick,
      after your descriptive comment, think of the other half of gay sex and you really will say YUCK, BLEACK!!! The thought would turn a maggotts stomach!!!!

  • patrick

    I hear the highest rate of queerness and gay’s is amongst SNAKES! Do you read or have you heard what it says in the Bible? The Devil, in the form of a snake, tempted EVE to eat the fruit from the tree that GOD had forbidden ADAM to eat from. There you go folks, this queer/gay issue is from the DEVIL!!!

  • Karolyn

    If Eve had not eaten the fruit containing the knowledge of good and evil, we would have no choices. We would all be the same. What a boring world it would be. There would be no discussions like this. It would be like the book “Stranger in a Strange Land” or any of the movies depicting a future with all being of the same mind.

    • Christin

      If Adam and Eve had not eaten the forbidden fruit from the Tree of Life we would all be naked and having a great time in the Garden of Eden!

      • OMG

        Remember…..”In the Garden of Eden, it was not the apple in the tree, but the ‘pair’ on the ground.”

  • patrick

    you may be correct but then again we never would have had Islamic terrorists or bad Muslims, and we all would be living in paradise, no wars, no famine, no corruption, no abortions, no guns, no gays, no greed, no racism, no health problems, etc etc. Thay dam Devil and he still works hard daily in his attempt to tempt us all with his eveil ways! Be carefull.

    • Christin

      Yes, Patrick you are Right On!

      Eating the Forbidden Fruit got Adam and Eve (and all who were born there after… including us) kicked out of the beautiful garden paradise and put into hardship of toiling the earth for food and pain in childbearing… and our sin nature was released and separation from God began.

  • Suzanne

    Okay…
    First… the voters made their decision and a gay judge overturned that decision unilaterally. That judge overturned the voters without any reference to the Constitution… just on his own opinion. The judge in this case should be removed from the bench because he has forgotten the framework of his own job.

    Secondly… all the gay men I know are quite affluent, primarily because there is no gay marriage. With gay marriage, the gays will be subject to the same difficulties as straights… alimony, palimony and the forced splitting of community property in nasty divorce settlements. If they want marriage for the sake of designating whom property goes to or someone to make medical decisions on their behalf like a spouse does… it would be easier to go to an attorney and get a will and various power of attorney.

    Yeah… gays should have the right to be as miserable as the rest of us.

    • tg7357

      I agree: the judge should have recused himself for conflict of interest. But then again, if a hetero judge had ruled on the issue, then the gays would have have grounds to appeal. I think this is going to turn into one of those fights that no one is going to win.

      • Karolyn

        Do you think that a hetero judge would have to have ruled against gays? Judges, no matter what their sexual orientation, should be impartial. There you go again with “us” vs “them”. I’ll keep saying it over and over: We are all one!

        • tg7357

          “Do you think that a hetero judge would have to have ruled against gays? Judges, no matter what their sexual orientation, should be impartial. There you go again with “us” vs “them”. I’ll keep saying it over and over: We are all one!”
          Actually, no we are not ‘all one’. You’re trying to force people together under too broad of a category, and that includes heterosexuals as well as homosexuals. Nothing divides the human species up as completely and entirely as their sexual preferences. And I don’t see this argument as an ‘us’ versus ‘them’ thing. This is an argument over an interpretation of a concept: how do you define ‘marriage’ and who does it include?

    • JeffH

      Eventually the SCOTUS will have to sort this out. The people majority in the most liberal of states, California, have spoken yet it’s obvious that our voices don’t mean squat anymore. This overturn of the people is more about “benefits” than it is about a legal bond between two people.

      If I wanted to be a legal “fudge packer” I’d get a job at See’s Candy.

  • http://foxnews s c 2

    The problem lies with people not turning to God for answers and we need to pray daily against the bad evil things that come up daily and Prayer changes things .The Devil does not like prayer as it is the strongest power against all evil doings he throws before us in decision making and his evil temptations . Wake up people and fight for freedom and clean out the filth that’s storming our land . Be strong and ask God for forgiveness and pray for our America to win against all these things and help us to rise above all the wrong doings and make it right again so we can live in Peace and in Gods wonderful creation .

    • Denniso

      Are you joking? If prayer worked on a mass scale then why does it appear as though evil is doing very well in the world? Is your devil more powerful than your god? Is it only a question of numbers and if you can just get more people praying to your apparently ineffectual god than are doing the bidding of your devil,then the tide will turn and the mean old devil will be chased off our planet? Dream,dream,dream…

      • http://naver Samurai

        Just shut up, duhniso! Your atheism is showing sooooo much that if Jesus appeared before you and tried to get you to repent, you’d probably say “forget it, just send me somewheres very warm to live.”

        • Denniso

          Jesus apparently died 2,000 yrs ago…you hadn’t known that?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Dennislobber,
            yeah I do know that and if you were a Christian and a true believer, you would know he rose up and will return again! But then, you DON’T believe so I’m probably wasting my time telling you but that is what my Lord tells me to do in his words!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Duhniso, yes I know that. That’s why may of our legislation passed by our government says “In the Year of Our Lord.” Unfortunately, your “god” with a beard, tail, and pitchfork has been the ruler of hades since before that.

  • http://foxnews s c 2

    We need to put prayer back into our schools and teach our children right from wrong as they too have a lot to face in years to come . Lets help them to be strong and follow the law of the land , God’s Law . Lets honor him and praise him and welcome him and prayer into our daily lives .Lets Honor and go by the words stated ( In God We Trust !)
    Get rid of the wrong doers and the government who are going against the peoples wants and needs to run our country in a better way , the way of our people and God’s laws and our constitution which has been cut down and they are trying to change . Lets honor and pray for our troops to come home and give them Peace and be with their families once again .Amen !

    • s c

      ‘S C,’ while you can, say whatever you want, but you are a PRETENDER. You do not write or think the way I do. There is nothing you can do to take over and put words in my mouth. You know you will be caught. You are beneath contempt, and you are living proof that Darwin was wrong. Get thee hence.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        sc,
        He is putting a 2 after SC so I’m not sure he is trying to put words in your mouth. I think he just isn’t real imaginative! Or maybe he admires you so much he wants to be just like you. you do put out some very thoughtful and truthful posts!

        • libertytrain

          Or maybe he just has those initials as well.

  • Mondovibe

    History has taught us, whenever we disenfranchise a group of people, by denying them humane rights, it’s narrow minded and cruel. Nobody is saying one can’t be narrow minded in your own life; just that narrow mindedness can not morally or legally deny humane rights.

    • Karolyn

      Right on!

    • Coservative at Birth

      We disenfranchise people who; Murder, Rape, Rob, Burglarize, Drive repeatedly under the influence, and many other forms of objectionable behavior all the time. What exactly is wrong with that?

    • Byron

      Mondovibe, do you really believe that? I take it that this includes axe murders, child molesters too? what about the majority? Do you not understand why that the US of A has the laws on the books that it does? Do you not really understand our constitution (do not mean, how to get around it as many constitutional attys. are taught) to where everyone is protected in reason of the laws that are on the books? People like you are totally clueless on what America is all about and that there is an agenda to tear this nation down of well written laws and to remake her in a nation that’s like what the Nazi’s were trying to do or how China is today. The agenda of these elites is to bring the World under submission (kingdom ship or the AC) Do you not know what Fabian socialism is, no, that’s what I thought, how could you know when most people do not. Read the manifesto (list of what’s now up to around 61 do’s) on communism, then you’ll understand everything that’s going on in America today! Of coarse one other book that many freaks call a book fables but is really a book that the Creator (owners manual) has gave us that’s 100 per cent right on!

      Good Day!

      • Denniso

        America is supposed to be about freedom and justice for all,isn’t it? You stick to your little book when in church and leave the lawmaking for the nation up to educated adults…

        • http://naver Samurai

          Yes, but the christian aspect of freedom. We also dispense justice on acts that are illegal, immoral, and unethical, so whats you point? I suggest that you get back down into your mother’s basement before its too late.

          • Denniso

            Oh…I see. We are only allowed ‘Christian’ freedoms. Wow! are you deluded or just woefully ignorant? The bible says that men can divorce and remarry,but women can’t…the bible says that women have to be shut away for something like 3 months(I forget the actual number)after giving birth because they are ‘unclean’. Is that the kind of ‘Christian’ freedom you mean? The old testament was written by ignorant MEN in a time of gross ignorance and brutality,and you think we should legally follow that? The only aspect of the new testament that’s worth anything at all is what your divine Jesus said…love,compassion,peace. That’s simple,isn’t it?

          • http://naver Samurai

            Duhniso, duhniso, are we greatly erring these days? It says that the only reason for a divorce in in the case of adultery. If you divorce someone for someone else, then you commit adultery. We don’t shut away women physically for 3 months, you ignorant fool! We both know that after a woman has a child, doctors ask them to wait 3 months before having sex with their husbands. That is what is meant by that passage! Why? Because it usually takes a woman 3 months to heal and start back her cycle again. For being an informed old man, you sure are kind of ignorant about things , aren’t you?

  • Jennifer

    This is another part of Obama’s regime, to have this judge do what he did. If these judges get away with overriding what we the American people have voted in then our voice is lost among the liberal activists decision. This is infuriating and unjust and I hope this judge gets disbarred! He’s a disgrace!

  • Denniso

    Jennifer…you should know that this judge was appointed by either Reagan or Bush 1,both fine Republicans. And, a state voting on any issue does not trump the constitution…if it did,then we would still have slavery in the south and would still have states denying women as well blacks and indians and non land owners the vote.

    We have a supreme court to establish whether laws or votes are constitutional or not…simple. This judge has absolutely nothing to do w/ Obama…simple.

    • Coservative at Birth

      Where in the Constitution is abnormal behavior protected?

    • Coservative at Birth

      If, Reagan or Bush appointed this man the made a mistake. It proves that they are human.

    • http://naver Samurai

      Are you sure? He alreadt want to get rid of the “Don’t ask, don’t tell” with the military and wants to overturn the “Defense of Marriage Act” signed by Clinton. Are you sure about the fictional nonsense that you are posting? Hmmm…?

  • http://ri7044@gmail.com Robert Ingram

    Gay marriage has nothing to do with legal status of property transfer, and etc., but an attempt to sell the idea that being “queer” is normal. We as a nation are going down the same path as the fall and destruction of the Roman Empire.

  • http://ri7044@gmail.com Robert Ingram

    If you fail to agree with a liberal you are narrow minded or racist. The problem with liberals is that they have no mind or fail to use it.

    • Denniso

      No,you’re not just narrow minded or a racist,you’re a bigot. The constitution doesn’t give a whit about what behaviour is ‘normal’ or not…it does protect a minority’s rights against a bigotted or unbalnaced majority.

    • Karolyn

      And vice-versa. The same can be said for conservatives. Can’t you see that?

      • Denniso

        What do you mean? That conservatives are a minority and need protection from the majority?

        • Karolyn

          No, I responded to the previous post about liberals only believing what other liberals say. It could be said for the conservatives too, but that somehiow have a block that doesn’t allow words other than their own to enter into the realm of their minds. I would say that, as a liberal, I listen to all sides, and when they present their argument without venom and hate, I do take it in and think about it. However, when you look at some of the people here, how can one possibly find anything to even think about in what they have to say?

          • Denniso

            You’re right…most,not all liberals try to listen to what others say and try to be civil…most,not all,conservatives won’t listen because they think they know everthing and god tells them so. Most,not all, of the conservatives here use hateful speech and vile words and it makes it hard to have any civil discussion.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            dennislobber,
            Why? Because they won’t listen to YOU?!?!?! That’s just good common sense!!!!

  • Karen

    I have been reading all of the comments written here and find the finger pointing and name calling a bit immature to say the least. The Bible does condemn homosexuals, along with all other sins. Sodon and Gommorra were distroyed because of homosexuality. The people of California voted to define marrage as between a man and a woman. It should be left as that.
    I am not against gays as I am close friends with many of them. One man is gay because of being raped as a child by his heterosexual uncles who were just plain nasty people. I knew them also and they treated their wives like dirt. This perticular man I speak of has been married three times to women, two of whom were critical, sharp-tongued, jealous individuals. He is a father and grandfather. He has been in two long-term relationships. The first ended with the death of his partner from brain cancer. The second is still ongoing. He acknowledges that he is living is sin but is afraid of being alone. He also can’t stand the gay activists. To him, his sexual preference is private and no one else’s business. He and his partner are like two guys rooming together. The only difference is they sleep in the same bedroom.
    I also know a very sweet gay man who is dying from AIDS. He was also married to a beautiful woman who died from cancer. They were married for twenty years and when she died he lost himself back in the gay lifestyle where he contracted AIDS.
    These may be acceptions to the “rule” but, nevertheless, marriage is still between a man and a woman as God intended. I agree with Power of Attorney, Living Wills, and Wills as being the best way for a gay couple to prepare for medical treatment and leaving one’s belongings to their partner but the other issue not covered by those documents is medical insurance from an employer. That could be taken care of with a Civil Union.
    As far a gays in the animal kingdom, I would have thought that those of you who claim to live on a farm would know that males and females both mount members of the same and opposite sex as a form of authority. I have dogs and see it all of the time. It’s not sex for them. It’s their way of saying who’s the boss in that situation. If you think about it, animals just might be more “civilized” than us humans. We like to hurt each other just for the kicks. That’s why there has to be moral laws. Let’s face it; if we followed the ten commandments, there wouldn’t be half of the problems we face now. After all, the first four deal with our relationship with God and the rest of them deal with our relationship with each other.

    • Denniso

      People are afraid that gay marriage will adversely affect straight marriage…how? And there are many straight marriages that are not exactly ‘divine’ in how badly some spouses and many kids are treated in them…abuse,incest,drug use,terrible parenting. 1/2 of all marriages end in divorce and many of the remaining ones are only for convenience or finances. Yay,let’s hear it for the glorious straight marriage!!

    • Karolyn

      I just read that Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed because of homosexuals. What was said was that all the sodomite males wanted to rape the two angels staying at Lot’s house. It’s kind of ridiculous to think that ALL the males in Sodom were gay. However “The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were definitely not exclusive in terms of the sins in which they indulged.”
      Judges 19:22 =- Similar situation as in Genesis:

      “While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.”

      In the account in Judges the wicked men were appeased with the female concubine. This proves they were not homosexuals. They were after sex for power or rape. If you read further you’ll learn that the tribe of Benjamin was almost totally destroyed because of this incident. Neither the tribe of Benjamin nor the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were punished because of homosexuality. Both of these accounts clearly describe rape. What the men of Sodom were going to do to the angels in Genesis was what the men of Gibeah did to the traveler’s concubine in Judges.”
      Ezekiel 16:48-50

      “As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done. “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. (NIV)

      Amos 4:11

      “I overthrew some of you as I overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. You were like a burning stick snatched from the fire, yet you have not returned to me,” declares the LORD. (NIV)

      If you read the book of Amos you find that God promises to overthrow Israel as He overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah for three things: turning away from God which is religious unfaithfulness, being evil to the poor and living selfishly. Homosexuality is not even addressed.”

      I can post more, but there’s just too much to refute your contention.

      Of course, this is all relevant if you believe every word in the Bible to be true.

      • viktor leben

        Karolyn,

        You’re using exclusion in your logic. My thoughts are “detestable things” includes the attempted homosexual rape of the 2 angels, who rescued Lot. Inclusion of many reasons, exclusion of none.

        Are you saying homosexuality was not the primary reason for their destruction ? Or is Homosexuality a ancillary reason for Sodom’s destruction, or other sins plus homosexuality, or just other sins – homosexuality had nothing to do with thier destruction ?

        This generation of Israel were “apostate” ? A sin similar to Sodom during Lot’s generation ? Do “apostates” degenerate to homosexual behaviour ?

        The “burning stick” (faggot) may have another ancient Hebraic meaning, but I’m not sure . Did NIV take their reading from KJV ? Is their a Hebrew word equivalent to slang “faggot” ? SPECULATION only because I don’t know the answer ?

        What are your thoughts, Karolyn ….what is your argument ?

        I’m being lazy ….

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Jill

          Ya also Lot offered his two virgin daughters, but the men who surrounded the house only wanted the angels. Also in Rev.21:8, it says, “But the cowardly, the unbelieving,the vile, the murderers,the SEXUALLY IMMORAL, those who practice magic arts,the idolaters and all liars – their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulphur. This is the second death. Sexually immoral? what could that mean? HOMOSEXUALS, child molestors, animal beastiality, and anything else sexual that is perverted.

          • Denniso

            But apparently,incest and offering your virgin daughters for sex to strangers is OK w/ the bible. The bible is so full of contradictions and absurdities as to render most of it more than silly. The only worthwhile parts are what Jesus supposedly said and that’s what Christians should follow,since they say they want to follow Jesus.

          • http://naver Samurai

            I agree with you Jill! Don’t pay attention to duhniso! He already knows he’s going to hades and is trying to get others to join him along the way!

      • http://naver Samurai

        Karolyn, where do you get these false ravings? They didn’t want to rape the angels. Where did you get that idea? Gays not mentioned dealing with Sodom and Gomorrah? They were both destroyed because of sexually perverse actions performed by the men, women, and with the animals of the 2 cities in question. Remember that gays, bi sexuals, orgies, beastial relationships, etc., are all punishable with fire and brimstone. What part of this do you not understand?

        • Denniso

          Don’t you understand that most of the old testament is nothing but fairy tales? Pun intended. Do you read Greek mythology and take it to be real? Get a grip Sam…

          • http://naver Samurai

            Don’t forget there dude, archeologists and historians found the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah. It even has been recorded on official documents in Israel and in England! So much for your fairy tales, huh?

          • Karolyn

            Nobody said there was no Sodom and Gomorrah. If the story is true (who knows?) the men of the city did want to rape the strangers, but it was out of cruelty and for power. I did make another post from the Bible that was very similar to the story of S&G. Did you know that hundreds of years before Jesus was born, another messiah was born under similar circumstances at the same time of year. There are many similarities. I have a video about it. This tells me that maybe somebody was copying somebody else.

          • http://naver samurai

            Gee Karolyn, tisc, tisc, tisc. You would rather believe a video on the internet (Which is not governed by public domain laws.) instead of the Bible itself? For someone who claims to have been a christian at one time you sure don’t sound like it. I think that it is about time for you to come back into the light, instead of burning like these libs and gays on this site. If you really want to know what it means, go to a pastor or I can have you contact my brother (He’s a pastor!).

        • Karolyn

          Sam – The Bible says so. The angels turned themselves into men and Lot insisted that they stay at his house.

          • http://naver Samurai

            So what? If the angels took the form of women, how would it be different? Lot asking them to stay in his house? Big deal! Don’t forget, people asked Jesus to come to their house and you know nothing like that happened. Karolyn, you say your were a christian and not now? I suggest that you get back on the right track before you really start feeling some heat!

  • HarryNE

    I see by a lot of the comments here that not to many of you believe that everyone should be able to “live free”. It looks like a lot of people believe that they should be able to tell other people how they can and cannot live.
    I personally believe that people tend to pick an choose what they believe from the Bible. There are a lot of things listed as sinful that people to all the time: wear clothing of mixed fibers, get tatoos, etc. The point is Jesus said if you followed two commandments then that’s basically all you need to be concerned about.
    My church would happily marry two men or two women who love and respect eachother. I really don’t think another church or religion should have the ability to tell my church what they can and cannot do. I certainly the goverment shouldn’t take the position of one church or religion over another.
    Let’s hope people can be more accepting and exhibit unconditional love to one another.

    • OMG

      Excellent and loving point of view! Why is it that the people who quote the most cherry-picked Bible verses are the least loving, most judgmental, and are the most unamerican sounding?

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Jill

      Sorry that sometimes in life we have to be told NO. Some of us opt to hold onto a higher standard of living. God never told us to win friends he said He came to bring a sword. brother against brother, mother in law against daughter in law. The truth cuts to the very core. There is either left or right and no in between. The wishy washy he spews out of his mouth.

  • hundabuxt

    While we’re changing the moral fiber of our country by legalizing an unnatural act, and don’t anybody tell me same sex relationships are natural anymore than murder, incest, mass murder, or any other socially unacceptable act is, how about this: lets legalize polygamy. Anyone see anything wrong with this one? We can even have three men or women married to eachother, or what the heck, mix um up some.
    Homosexuality is repugnant and making it socially acceptable by marrage profanes the fundamental core of what is the natural flow of human society. If our ancestors were all gay, we wouldn’t be here. So which is natural and which is not and why should we tolerate the movement toward permitting marrage between same sex partners? Nothing is stopping same sex partners from having a relationship. Their social and political pressure to “normalize” it in our culture is a clever way of forcing us to accept it. I for one will never accept it.

    • OMG

      The reason God made heterosexuals is to make more of his straight & gay children.

  • TIME

    Sooner or later it will not only be socially acceptable but the law of the land. As a side note: All those who will argue that they will never accept this understand that “Socially Acceptable” needs only a majority.

    • Brian

      I accept it.

      • Jenny

        Me to, and my “lesbo partner”

    • John

      Sign me up

    • Bennie

      You have my vote

    • Yorgie

      I’m in, and I’m straight.

      • Karen

        Me to. I’m here to love my neighbor not judge him, that’s God’s job.

        • Robert

          I hate to say it’ but you’re right

  • hundabuxt

    When this becomes law of the land our days are numbered. You people are either sick or blind and if I see anyone of you trying to recruit one of my kids I truly pity you.

    • Robert

      There’s no “recruiting” you either are or you aren’t. You act as though Gay is another name for pedophile. God help your kids if they are gay.

    • Jenny

      You’re an idiot. Tell your children, it will make their lives easier.

    • John

      hundabuxt, you need to come out of the closet. So does your Texas friend.

      • OMG

        I was going to disagree with you, because we don’t need anymore people in this world like ———–, revealing to us their ugly nature. I guess that would be discrimination, and We don’t need more discrimination. Soooooo…———!…COME ON OUT YOUR TRASH CLOSET!…YOU’LL HAVE TO WEAR SOMETHING ELSE…WE BURNED YOUR KKK ROBE!

  • hundabuxt

    John

    Accusing someone ardently opposed to your repugnant lifestyle you happly rationalize as natural, as being a “closet” gay, won’t work pal. That’s a failed stratigy and you couldn’t be more wrong. Seeing two guys in a lip lock makes me wretch! And as for my children Jenny, they were raised properly. You have issues.

    • John

      The future will show you to be a bigot. Fortunately you will have little to say about it. There was a time slavery was accepted, a time when interracial marriage was illegal. This will also pass.

      • http://naver Samurai

        Not in our lifetime.

  • jim

    When Shariah law becomes the law of the land – and it will in time – just as soon as these camel f _ _ _ ers can screw out a majority I certainly would not want to have any record, marriage or otherwise, on file showing that I was gay. Remember who Hitler used in his little experiments camps and death houses?! Oh boy, are you screwed!

    • John

      You are really serious, that scares me. You’re the guy that likes to see others suffer.

    • Jenny

      You would be first in line for the job. What does that say about you? You are very sick person, I will keep you in my gay prayers.

    • Karolyn

      Yeah. You are the all-knowing.

      • Jenny

        Idiot

        • Jenny

          Sorry, you had responded under me. I think you were trying to respond under Jim. I do think Jim is an idiot.

          • Karolyn

            You’re right. I was reponding to Jim. Sorry.

  • hundabuxt

    If because I strongly oppose legalizing unnatural behavior, I’m termed a “Bigot” I wear the term proudly and even might get a button to pin on to display. Thanks for the idea. You people are sick as is your lifestyle. Lets not forget the airline steward who happily and knowingly spread AIDS through the gay community and eventually the hetrosexual community as well. The gay community was reputed to intentionally spread the disease into the hetrosexual community to give greater strength to the attempted cure of the disease.

    • John

      I do realize there will always be holdouts like you. Thats ok, as long as there’s more people like me speaking out. Sorry, the future is here and not going anywhere. You’re backward ways are limited to but a few. Yell, scream, kick, it will do you no good. Within five years Gay marriage will be legal and gays will be accepted in the military.

      • http://naver Samurai

        Take it from a 20 year veteran, gays will NEVER be acceptable in the military. It is NEVER OK, it will NEVER become law, and will NEVER be acceptable in this great christian nation of ours. Many of you on this site who say you are gay, I don’t think you are more than some looney lib or plant put onto this site to stir up the waters.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        John,
        You say that idea is limited to a choice few, but the people of the most gay state in the union voted by a majority to outlaw gay marriage!!!

        • http://naver Samurai

          California is starting to come into the light! Hoorah! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Karolyn

      You used the term “reputed” which is telling. It’s unbelievable what some of you can believe. Do you really think that they gays got together and hatched a plot. That’s called paranoia. What about the hetero males who have spread AIDS within the hetero community. You can’t judge a group by the behavior of the one. AIDS is not only spread by gays. It is spread by contact in other ways as well.

    • OMG

      Hey , would you be putting that bigot pin under or over your KKK robe?

    • OMG

      I’d like everyone to recognize please that HIV/AIDS and H1N1 (and H5N1) have all come from the same monsters: the World Health (Homicide) Organization. Read on.

      The late William Cooper was the highest ranking Naval Intelligence officer ever to go public with his experiences and access to classified information. He was assassinated on his front porch in late 2001. The book he wrote, which caused his assassination (in addition to the lectures he continued to give on the book) is called Behold A Pale Horse.

      To quote the late William Cooper from his 1991 Book BEHOLD A PALE HORSE from Chapter Nine “Anatomy of an Alliance” page 168, paragraph 2, quoting a plan called Global 2000 ordered by Dr Aurelio Peccei from the Club of Rome:

      “Funding was obtained from US Congress under H.B. 15090 (1969), where $10 million was given to the DOD’s 1970 budget. Testimony before the Senate Committee revealed that they intended to produce “a synthetic biological agent, an agent that does not naturally exist and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired. Within the next 5 to 10 years it would probably be possible to make a new infective microorganism which could differ in certain important aspects from any known disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is that it might be refractory to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious disease.”

      • Bob

        Ok, and that has what to do with the subject? Remember, Gays, Marriage, Homophobia?

        • OMG

          It has to do with the origin of HIV according to you and how is was spread. Remember?

        • OMG

          Sorry! That was in response to Hundabuxt not you.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          OMG,
          Actually the first case of aids was passed by a gay flight attendent who liked to frequent the gay bathhouses in Frisco!!! He would have sex in the dark so they could not see the sores on his body!!!

  • hundabuxt

    OMG

    Thanks. I didn’t think of that but I’d want it proudly displayed so over it is.

    • OMG

      Make sure you don’t wear it on the wrong side of your chest. You don’t want people to get the wrong idea about you.

    • Bob

      Got a great button for you. “(Mr. or Mrs.) Homophobia”. I doubt you recognize Ms. Wear it proudly, show your friends, neighbors and co-workers. In other words come out of the closet. The great Homophobe closet because soon it will be just that.

    • http://naver Samurai

      I think all of you need to get off of this gay rights thing. There are so many more important things to talk about. Especially since all you do is rant, rave, and make no sense whatsoever. Go to you refridgerator and pour your lib kool ade down the drain before it fries your minds.

      • Karolyn

        We’re not the ranters and ravers. Look at Old Fuddie Duddie and 141 – They’re outright dangerous!

      • OMG

        Try a different beverage! That’s the 10th “drinking the Kool-aid” comment you’ve made. They couldn’t have been drinking the Kool-aid on here, otherwise they’d be dead. Remember, they all died in Jonestown back in 1978.

        • http://naver Samurai

          I think you’ve been smoking way toooooo much liberal crack!

      • OMG

        Brady, why don’t you get off of the gay rights thing. You have nothing to do with it. You’re not gay.

        Here’s something for you to ponder:
        In the United States, until June 12, 1967 it was illegal for interracial couples to marry. That would include your marriage. How would you feel if that law was still in place today? The majority would be telling you that your marriage is not normal, that is not recognized in the country you were born in. That law would really matter to you because you chose to love your wife and that is worth fighting for. It is no different to any other 2 adults who love each other, and want to have a legally recognized union.

        • http://naver Samurai

          Yes it is because our marriage is one man and one woman, they way God planned it. Race and choice are different things. You can’t help your race! Gays are still not allowed to marry in my state and it will NEVER change. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://naver samurai

          Look out everyone! OMG is actually unproud unamerican. Stop trying and get off the site, moron!

  • OLD FUDDIE DUDDIE

    John and Karolyn and the other few Homosexuals that have tried to make a case for “normal” as the goal for your perverse behavior. You all failed to convince me. A few years back I would have agreed that eventually Gay marriage would one day become legal. You already are accepted in the military, so don’t blab it to anyone.

    Granted, you have made great strides to achieve being accepted as “normal” but alas and alac, no blue ribbon for you or should I say no pink ribbon for you.

    As was stated, you are in a lost situation. If, we righteous individuals are successful with God’s help in saving our constitution and our free nation, you lose. If, our socialist muslim leader becomes a dictator and has his way, guess what… you lose!

    Now shut up and get back in the closet where you belong. All of your Babbling reminds me of Babalon which was one of the other great nations that was allowed to be destroyed along with Soddom and Gommorah (spelling). Soddomites do not deserve to be equal nor do they deserve to be accepted as normal.

    Go to the beginning of these comments and look at “Reinhold”. His comments were excellent and very understandable. Furthermore, I believe that 90% of the writers above me agree 100% with those comments. Majority wins – You lose again! Impeach the gay judge!

    • Bob

      Soon YOUR views will live in the closet and you know it. OLD FUDDIE DUDDIE…….so true

      • http://naver Samurai

        (offensive comment removed)

        • Karolyn

          How very childish. Don’t you see how your remarks fail to legitimize your beliefs?

          • Bbob

            Who really gives a rats a$$ what you think anyway!

          • http://naver Samurai

            What do you want? The people that I’m trying to answer are just as childish, maybe more than I am being. If you all state some true facts and sources, I promise I’ll answer more maturely. Is that a deal?

          • OU812

            sounds like Bbob has a Sstutter

  • hundabuxt

    John

    The military has always had gays of course, but they’ve never been well accepted. I was a US Marine and given the circumstances of combat, sanitary needs and the requisite housing accomodations, the openly gay member would pose problems and with some like minded members might be in jeopardy under some circumstances given the kind of people I served with. I accept that gays are a reality just like I accept the fact leprosy exists and always has. I resent being forced to accept their behavior. What goes on behind closed doors is nobodys business so do what you like with consenting adults. I really don’t give a damn. I run a business, which would suffer if we had an openly gay person working for us given the kinds of industries we serve and neither time nor laws will change that. Forcing me to do this will yield some unhappy results both for the business and the people responsible for the act in a very existential way.

    • John

      As you well know prejudice in the military is not uncommon. Openly gay in the military will have little more consequence than the multitude of other prevalent prejudices. If you were a current Marine you would see that opponents are, like with most prejudiced, a minority. What kind of business “openly Suffers” if someone gay is involved in it? How does gay marriage affect you or anyone you know? Other than being homophobic, why would you care?

      • hundabuxt

        Do you really see no problem with showering with 30 guys and one or more is openly gay? What if among those 30 we threw in a couple females. See any problem with that?
        You and others here come across like this homosexual marrage thing will be some kind of innocuous seamless transition, one that will let you openly display gay affections in public. Children are influenced by what they see and I see it as an insidious change to the morals of our country, one that degrads us. Quoting the Bible will fall on deaf ears so I’m not going to go there, but a society has to set some standards of decency for the benifit of all. You’re asking us to accept unnatural behavior as a social norm. It is not! It exists and the gay movement has advanced their agenda substantially the last three decades. You don’t have to linger in the closet anymore in fear but pushing it like this is way too much and people like me, and I’m not in the minority no matter what you’d like to believe, are going to push back. Go ahead and get militant. You’ve got a surprise in store.

  • OLD FUDDIE DUDDIE

    Bob…
    I’m sorry! I left you out, but I did refer to the few other Homo’s who had written. No… I have never been in the closet, and my views have always been there for all to see.

    I have absolutely no tolerance for those who like to rape little boys or for the female version of raping little girls. It is sick, and an abomination to mankind. It always has been and always will be.

    Shout it to the skies. YOU ARE NOT NORMAL – YOU ARE NOT NORMAL, and trying to convince me and the other 70 to 90 percent that are normal will never happen. You are what you are and it is not normal.

    So my views are going to be in the closet? What are you going to do burn my church down? Will that make you normal?

    • OMG

      I agree with you in having absolutely no tolerance for those who like to rape little boys or for the female version of raping little girls. It is sick, and an abomination to mankind. It always has been and always will be. Those acts are considered acts of violence and power. They has absolutely nothing to do with two mature, consenting adults who love one another unconditionally; straight or gay.

      Sorry OLD FUDDIE DUDDIE, but we’re ALL homo’s! You included! If you disagree, it will just prove that you’re not human! (HOMOSAPIEN)

      • Bob

        You’re better off explaining the LEGAL reasons for gay marriage. You’re not helping with this type of opinion.

    • OMG

      (offensive comment removed)

      • Bob

        Ick, please keep that behind closed doors. I believe in your cause but don’t need the details. You’re going to have a hard enough time as it is, why make it harder. You make it difficult for straight people to side with your cause. I would never share details of my love life on line, especially in this type of forum. Why would you? Wait, I have an answer, Stupidity comes in all sexual persuasions. Fight the good fight, don’t muddy it up with inflammatory remarks.

        • Bob

          I’m from Calif. where we saw Gay marriage disappear from (I think) the way the proposition was written. Too many people that I talked to at the time had no idea on how they had actually voted. The way it was written made it seem like they were voting to approve. Actually it was the opposite. I think if the proposal had been written with a typical (YES) approve instead of (NO) approve Gay marriage would be here today.

      • http://naver samurai

        Keep that !@#$%^& nonsense off of the site. If you’re telling the truth, I’m going to immigration. If you are just making things up, you really need to get a life and something constructive to do. I know, you can go out and get a real job!

  • Bob

    As I said, “Soon YOUR views will live in the closet and you know it.” People like you will not be well tolerated in history. The world will live on, where you and your beliefs will not. It’s just a matter of time. Mans intolerance has and will be abolished by time. It is simply the only way civilized man can survive. The “NORMAL” days of Gladiators, Slavery, Hiroshima, McCarthy, Illegal Interracial marriage……….and on and on all end as man evolves. It wasn’t that long ago that TV showed two beds in the master bedroom. I understand the values you cherish but you must know that as with most prejudice they will not survive.

    • Karolyn

      Thank you. Very eloquently put!

  • Crystal

    Jesse Dirkhising’s father thought homosexuality was okay as long as they don’t bring it around him. Look what happened to Jesse.

    • Karolyn

      Who the hell was Jesse Dirkhising?

      • OMG

        I didn’t know either. I did a Google search.

        Jesse William Dirkhising (May 24, 1986 – September 26, 1999), also known as Jesse Yates, was an American teenager from Prairie Grove, Arkansas who was bound, drugged, tortured and raped by two men, and who died as a result of the drugs given to him and the position in which he was tied down.

        Dirkhising’s death received only regional media coverage until a Washington Times article ran a story nearly a month after his death, noting the lack of national coverage in contrast to that given to the 1998 death of Matthew Shepard. The high-profile Shepard murder was approaching its first anniversary and as such was getting another round of national attention coupled with updates on pending hate crime legislation. Prompted by coverage in the Washington Times, the Dirkhising case gained notoriety as conservative commentators compared media coverage of the two cases and explored the issues of what was considered a hate crime. The added attention resulted in mainstream media also reporting the Dirkhising case in relation to the coverage of the Shepard case, with many attempting to explain why the two were handled differently by the media, and perhaps received differently by readers.

        The media coverage of the Dirkhising case was repeatedly and consistently compared to that of the Shepard case, although the cases were dissimilar in some details: Dirkhising was a minor and the victim of a sex crime and Shepard the adult victim of a hate crime. Shepard was an openly gay man attacked by two heterosexual men, while the men who kidnapped, drugged and raped Dirkhising were described as “lovers” in a police affidavit.

  • Mosley

    So much for states rights when you disagree with a state you don’t even live in.

    Hypocrites.

    • Denniso

      Haven’t you figured out yet that the Federal Constitution takes precedence over State laws? Don’t you people supposedly love the constitution? You should learn what it actually means and does.

      • http://naver Samurai

        Same with you duhniso! It is true that we have rights under the Constitution, nut they DO NOT cover behavior. The laws of the land cover certain types of behavior, but that’s it. Gays and their ways will never be accccepted in the christian nation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Denniso

          Sorry fella,but gays and their behaviour are accepted in most parts of the country…you and others like you can slink off to your caves and let us try to construct a civil society. Again, this is no Christian country,any more than it’s a white redneck country just because we have millions of white rednecks…got it? Simple enough for you?

          • http://naver Samurai

            Sorry duhniso! Until the SCOTUS overturns its 1889 ruling: “This nation is a christian nation”, then I’ll believe you. How about taking “under God” from the Pledge of Alligiance?” How about “In God we Trust” from our money? How about the 10 Commandments from the Supreme Court? If this nation isn’t a christian nation, you sure could have fooled me!

          • Denniso

            First, and I’ll say it once again,god is not exclusive to the Christian religion…most other religions have god and even some non religious people believe in a god. So,people believing in and pledging to a god of some sort does not make them or the country Christian.

            The 10 commandments came from the Jews way before Jesus arrived and the later Christians took them on.

            Your ignorance of the world astounds one….

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry duhniso, this is a christian nation and stop talking like Obama bin Laden did in his church in 2006, I watched that video on youtube. Second, you are right about how other religions have some kind of supreme being at the head of their religion, Hindi, Buddha, Confucious, Dao, Shinto, etc., but they are all dead and buried. Their bones are still here on earth, but Jesus raised up from the dead and his bones are nowhere to be found. God has been around since the beginning of time and the others were only “man made gods.”

  • JeffH

    Liberty Counsel Mathew Staver,
    Founder and Chairman
    Date: 8/13/2010

    “We the people…” the Constitution begins. Forty-four states have one-man/one-woman marriage laws,with an aggregate population of 294 million Americans.Yet, one judge, exercising his anti-religious,anti-morality bias, has overturned the will of thepeople – for now.

    A recent Washington Times article articulated what pro-marriageand pro-faith Americans already know to be true, but the mainstreammedia chooses not to say for fear of causing popular outrageagainst a cause they favor.

    In his decision to legislate from the bench by dismissing thewill of a majority of Californians and striking down Proposition8, Federal Judge Vaughn Walker declared that he unveiled “thetrue motives of religion and people of faith.” Here’s whathe wrote: The evidence shows conclusively that moral andreligious views form the only basis for a beliefthat same-sex couples are different from opposite-sex couples.

    “In making that decision, the judge robbed thepeople of much more than marriage, and the definition marriage. He took away from us something that is the essence of legitimate government – the consent of the governed.”

    “Once the government has a vested interested inaffirming and protecting so-called gay “marriage”,three losses become apparent. First, there is a loss of personal freedoms; secondly, there is a loss of parental rights; and thirdly, there is a loss of religious liberties.”

    • Denniso

      So,Jeffh,your true colors come out! You don’t believe in the constitution at all,you believe in majority rule,much like early Nazi Germany that voted in Hitler and supported him in the majority for a while.
      If a majority in our country votes to reinstate slavery would that trump the constitution and be OK w/ you? How about a majority vote that says that women are superior and should relegate white men to the home and not be allowed to work?

      You people want the constitution to be in control when it’s an issue you favor,like gun rights…when you don’t like the issue you want majority vote to control…ridiculous and hypocrital and small minded!

      • JeffH

        duh!nisso, first things first…you can kiss my arse in the moonlight. I really don’t think what you have ever had to say is worth the paper it’s printed on.

        You say and I quote:”If a majority in our country votes to reinstate slavery would that trump the constitution and be OK w/ you? How about a majority vote that says that women are superior and should relegate white men to the home and not be allowed to work?”

        My answer is …you’re damn right I do! The majority voted for a Marxist commie for president and majority rules, right? I’ll live with it until we, the new majority, take away every bit of his and your version of “hope and change”.
        Oh, if there ever is an uprising of discontents, I’ll be locked and loaded with a lot of dry powder. My sight are zeroed in, are yours?

        • OMG

          Sorry, I don’t believe in violence. It shows behavior against God!

          • JeffH

            OMG, you are the one that just mentioned violence, I did not. As usual someone has to make assumptions and you be the one.

          • http://naver samurai

            Which god? I know it’s not the Almighty God!

      • JeffH

        I’ll add a little to the fire. Your racism is extremely evident and is shown time and again with your comments. Funny how the majority of racist based remarks come from you supposedly “Independent minded” liberal hacks.

        Examples of duh!nissos racist based remarks:
        “How about a majority vote that says that women are superior and should relegate WHITE MEN to the home and not be allowed to work?”

        ” Again, this is no Christian country,any more than it’s a white redneck country just because we have millions of WHITE REDNECKS…got it? Simple enough for you?”

        Why do you often bring your racist remarks to this board? You try to cloak yourself as a compassionate fair minded individual, which is obviously not true based on your consistant ridicule and your racist infused comments, yet you are a bigger hypocrit that those you accuse.

        You’ve only fooled yourself. Now justify that!

        • http://naver Samurai

          Now JeffH, we both know when we get the libs to go into a full retreat, they only have a few strategies. Race, false christian teachings, attacking Bush, etc., are all they have. If they are retreating, keep following them and wipe them out! Keep up the good fight fellow patriot! Like reading the common sense posts that you put up. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Denniso

          Sorry JeffH,but you aren’t worth my time and you’re apparently too dense to understand the analogies I was making…

  • Alex

    Many of you people are basing your denial of civil rights to citizens based on some weird sort of Christian thing—even though most evidence indicates that Christ was a gay Socialist.

  • http://gmail i41

    Matt Shepeard got just what he asked for, besides a screwing. The jackass could of just went to his faggot bars in Denver, no he went into blue collar working citizens bars and start bothering other patrons just to prove he was a rump ranger. His last ass kicking wasn’t his first time his face tried to bruise someone’s fist. He could have went into any of these watering holes for a drink and never had a problem, but he wanted to know he was a fag and was always bothering oil drillers or cowboys. Most of the bars he went to, the patrons lived in man camps and detest queers, so he knew there would probably be an a$$ kicking and it would be his. Maybe the sick faggot bastards love to be thumped on, since he knew he was a sorry peice of crap. You keep repeating the same stupid patterns of behavior and sooner or later things go to hell in a hand basket. Shepard just got in with a couple of drug influnced dip sh-t heads. If you want your 10 minutes of fame, just keep creating problems for people you are around, and you will get more than you bargain for. Shepard had been kicked out of bars in Casper for creating problems as well as other small towns. Which the queer loving media never mentioned. His parents sure didn’t teach him not to go creating problems unless you can back up you mouth or behavior. When socialist liberials keep pushing an agenda, such as gay marriage and muslim acceptance, sooner or later there will be a back lash. Of course with the pussified whimps that are in the USA it may take a little longer, but sooner or later it will happen. Onumnutts and the marxist democrats have been trying to speed up the process of becoming a socialist country and the brakes will be put on by the mad citizens. If queers of either sex want to cohabitate and mind their own business, get er done, but make a issue of marrage out of it and normal people will fight back. Something democrats have trouble getting into their nano brain matter connections. Socialist democrats just cann’t accept normal behavior but are alway pushing abhorant counter coulture behavior, and they are always whining about not being accepted. Well the dorky democrat idoits don’t accept normal standrad guidelines of living. They embrace liberals, progressives, socialist, marxists, and communists. All are abnormal behavior of different forms of a dictatorship which goes against the USA, prove me wrong!

    • Denniso

      i41 is sick…you don’t belong in any sort of intelligent or compassionate society. Get off of here…

      • Karolyn

        You’ve got that right! I think he’s dangerous too! Although he could also be an armchair “philosopher” with nothing to do but spout off hate. I feel sorry for his family.

      • coal miner

        Denniso and Karolyn

        I agree with you.Matt Shepeard was a human being and he didn’t deserved to die like that.i41 should be ban from this website.That statement he made shows what kind of character he is.That is about as cold as the statement that was made about the unfortunate coalminers.We don’t need that kind of bigotry on this website.Mr Livingston,at least that statement should be removed,if nothing else.

        • Denniso

          Hi Coal…hope you’re well. i41 is indeed a sick and disgusting pig And should be banned or have most of his posts censured. Inhuman and infantile.

    • OMG

      You know i41, it’s okay. You don’t have to put on an act any longer. There’s no need for you to be masquerading as a tough heterosexual male. It’s okay to love yourself as you REALLY are, as well as love that man in your life. Don’t be afraid. Come out of the closet. Anyone who is your true friend will still go fishing with you, as well as go shopping at the mall for those little satin numbers you enjoy wearing under your Wranglers. At least you can say you’re no longer living lie. Don’t dream it, be it!

  • http://gmail i41

    Denniso, the feel good crap of a compassinate society would be true if the muslim ideology was not in the picture. If you buy that muslim bull, you are hopeless. Same goes for thinking abnormal behavior is just fine, I could care less if the fagots want to do what ever gives them a tingle, but the rest of us don’t need to be accepting of that crap. If you simple minded dirt balls don’t have any standrads, then youwill accept any thing. As for intellegence most citizen classified marxist democrats as stupid eleitist hair balls. If it doen’t go as you want, you wet your dress and spout bildge at people who disagree with you simpleton socialists. If the faggots want to live their life style don’t force it on the rest of us. When a male wants to touch and fondle men, they will either get beat to hell or hell will meet them. it is either or sistuation. Queers going out side their faggot zone just doesn’t fly in the real world of normal people.

    • OMG

      We all have to start realizing that gay and straight people are all basically the same, except for the obvious part, which I won’t go into detail. The majority of the population don’t live their lives as if they were in a porn movie. However, a very small percentage, both straight & gay seem to at times. Most people’s lives are not based upon having sex. We choose to have lives we share with the one we love. We setup a home. We go to work. We own businesses. We’re in government. We volunteer. We raise our children. Straight & gay people are in all walks of life. We deal with both on a daily basis and not even know who’s either gay or straight (beyond the stereotype). Think about what you’re really saying. Think about if a friend who’s child has come out. Are you going to continue being a friend to them or be selfish because of your views. Beliefs and views are subject to change. Lastly, is it better to be hateful or loving? Think about it. I do.

    • ProudAmerican

      You win the bigot of the year award! Fortunately, most of the people on the planet AREN’T like you. I thanked God today for that! Literally! Do you also call people with dark skin, the “N” word? The sad part about your life and your twisted views is how your sick and perverted your solutions are, and nothing but violence and murder. Talk about going against God and Jesus! I feel sorry for you and your family. I pray you won’t go to hell for wanting to hurt God’s children, and for him to come into your heart and remove the hate and fear you are feeling. It is not normal to hate people for no honest reason. It IS normal to show love and understanding, empathy and respect towards others. I hope you’ll find them someday.

      • JeffH

        ProudLiberalAmerican, yes, i41 may well be a bigot just as you are a bigot and racist. You’ve made your bed, now it’s time for you to lay in it.

        • Alex

          Are JeffH and DaveH married? They sound so much alike…

        • ProudAmerican

          (offensive comment removed)

          • http://naver Sook Cha

            This is my first time on this site and have read many postings on both sides of the “gay” issue. I want to say: 1st. I don’t know who Proud American is, but You sound so childish! It’s hard for anyone to take you seriously about anything.

            2nd. My brother is a pastor and he would disagree with those who support this agenda. We all know that people who perform immoral/unethical sex acts go to hell in a handbasket. Why would anyone want to do such sick things is amazing to me!

            3rd. I also live in California and I must say that I, for one, hope that they give this judge his retirement papers. How could he overrule the will of the people (to count myself) and claim he used the law or Constitution as his source to back up what he did? We here in California know it was because of his unnatural beliefs that he did this.

            4th. If you are gay, quit trying to push this agenda down our throats when you know that the government in Washington hasn’t even recognized you as a legit group! I think you are just affraid that if California does uphold the ban, the judge’s decision is being appealed, the rest of the country may follow suit and then you’ll all be in big trouble then.

            All I have to say is that I hope this nation really sits down and prays for itself to keep it from imploding. Groups like the “gays” and others cause so much division in this country, that it is hard to stand as a united people. If someone screams race, religion, or choice biggotry at me, let them try. I have passed the BAR in California 10 years ago and am a lawyer her in San Diego.

            To all those on our country’s side, keep going. Those not, please just pack you bags and go back to where you came from. Thank you and may God Bless America!

          • Seriously?!?

            (post removed)

          • JeffH

            Seriously says to Sook Cha, and this is the translation:

            Lady car, you are a liar. Prior to this site. It’s August 4. Remember they psychiatric doctors tell me that you need. You had a lot of rude comments

        • http://naver Samurai

          Right on JeffH. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! Stay off the site (Chris!) you lib cowards and traitors!

          • Seriously?!?

            Brady B, play nice.

          • JeffH

            Samurai, any time you post anything about your person be aware that at some point the libs will attempt to use it against you. They usually put a twist and a tweak to suit their demonic needs, but they will use personal info to suit their needs. It also doesn’t mean squat to them, they just make it personal. Myself and a few others have seen these attacks firsthand. I don’t and won’t become defensive over those that prefer to use these underhanded types of personal attacks. I always believed there is more than one way to skin a polecat. There is no honor amongst these liberal thieves.

            As you like to say, Keep up the good fight. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            Thanks JeffH! OMG, seriously, and unproud unamerican are actually the same person. They tend to write and post about the same things and words. Watch your back at all times, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • hundabuxt

    i41

    Denniso says you’re sick. Well then so am I but I feel fine so there’s at least two of us. You go bro. I agree with everything you said. Personally If I’m sick I’m sick of the queer BS. Time to push back hard and often. If you want to see sick, take a look at a gay pride parade.

  • http://gmail i41

    Thanks hundabuxt,We are sick or if we are I think more people are getting infected over this anything goes crap. I have went to school board meeting and left church organization when the queer acceptance feel good bull gets thrown around like is a normal thing! My grandkids have their parents getting after some school boards of the bildge being taught in the 1st graders. Of course it started years ago and is really pushed in colleges on the students getting teaching degrees, the move to stop home schools are really having a backlash. Yes I don’t think I’d want to witness a gay pride or a bunch of perverts in that large of a group either my trigger finger would get itchy or my neutoring knife might unfold. A few years ago there was a study on rat or maybe it was ondemorats, but if crowded enough, the males went queer and the mothers killed and ate their young. That must be why there are somany demorats in California, New York, and all major cities, Just hope the freaks stay here, only hope the muslim sand crabs pick up the same behavior. So far muslims abuse boys untill they are ten and it isn’t considered queering them, and all muslim are sick perverted bastards.

    • Seriously?!?

      You said – “Thanks hundabuxt, We are sick” I WOULD SAY SO

      “or if we are I think more people are getting infected over this anything goes crap. I have went to school board meeting and left church organization when the queer” THE WORD QUEER SHOWS YOU’RE AN IGNORANT BA$TARD!

      “acceptance feel good bull gets thrown around like is a normal thing! My grandkids” I PITY THEM

      “have their parents getting after some school boards of the bildge being taught in the 1st graders.” BLAH BLAH BLAH ETC……

      “Yes I don’t think I’d want to witness a gay pride or a bunch of perverts in that large of a group either my trigger finger would get itchy or my neutoring knife might unfold.” YOU’RE SHOWING WHAT VIOLENT BIGOT YOUR ARE. GOD KNOW WHAT YOU’RE THINKING!

      “A few years ago there was a study on rat or maybe it was on demorats,” GOOD ONE AS-OLE!

      “but if crowded enough, the males went queer and the mothers killed and ate their young.” BIOLOGICALLY RATS AREN’T HUMAN!

      “That must be why there are so many demorats in California, New York, and all major cities, Just hope the freaks stay here,” FREAKS ARE EVERYWHERE. INCLUDING YOU!

      “only hope the muslim sand crabs pick up the same behavior.” JERK-WAD!

      So far muslims abuse boys until they are ten and it isn’t considered queering them, and all muslim are sick perverted bastards. I’M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? I COULDN’T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WITH ALL THE CRAP AND IGNORANCE COMING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH.

  • Kristoffer Martin

    Gag, why I continue to read the BS on this site I don’t know. Almost every post has been more arrogant xenophobic racist and homophobic junk it makes me sick.

    You call Judge Walker self serving, you criticize him for removing an unconstitutional proposition and yet you complain about how our government is destroying the constitution. What hypocrisy.

    I wonder if you lot even think about what you are saying before you go and post the backward and rather ridiculous thoughts.

    • JeffH

      Kristoffer Martin, perhaps you should leave this “conservative” website and join one you’d feel more comfortable in…no great loss either way…BYE!

      You see, not all of the people here support the Marxists,communists or socialists and liberal progressives. Look in the mirror before you start calling anybody a hypocrite…you see, in my lifetime I’ve come to the conclusion that we are all hypocrites in one way or another…life ain’t perfect and man sure as hell ain’t perfect and neither are you…see ya!

      • Karolyn

        Oh, c’mon Jeff. You have to admit that some of the posts are pretty far out there. If it is all true and these people really believe what they’re saying, it just makes me all the more happy that I don’t personally know anyone like them. However, I just can’t stop myself from coming back over and over to try and bring alternative answers and ideas. Maybe nobody listens, but that’s OK. You can’t say I haven’t tried. It’s been one of my life’s missions to try to bring peace and joy to others; and I ain’t gonna stop now.

        • ProudAmerican

          Hi Karolyn,
          I left the following comment to ‘samurai’, who’s a white American married to a Korean lady. See what you think.

          “Here’s something for you to ponder:
          In the United States, until June 12, 1967 it was illegal for interracial couples to marry. That would include your marriage. How would you feel if that law was still in place today? The majority would be telling you that your marriage is not normal, that is not recognized in the country you were born in. That law would really matter to you because you chose to love your wife and that is worth fighting for. It is no different to any other 2 adults who love each other, and want to have a legally recognized union.”

          • JeffH

            ProudLiberalAmerican, why do you bring a racist comment like that into the conversation. This thread is about Prop8 being overturned against the will of the majority, not about racial inequality or racial equality. You hacks have nothing better do to than cry with you racist comments?

          • Karolyn

            Jeff – It doesn’t seem like we’re the ones that are crying, and Proud’s comments were certainly not racist. If you can’t get the connection,well, that’s your problem.

          • JeffH

            K…then why the “white” reference? By adding that into the conversation it becomes a racial comment. You, too, must also be a racist if you see it any differantly. If it looks like a pig and oinks like a pig, then it is a pig!

          • Karolyn

            He was just making a point. You can’t figure that out. Apparently, you don’t even know what racist means.

            rac·ism
            n.
            1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
            2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, I’d appreciate that you take your twisted progressive logic and ply it on someone else…it don’t fly with me. I made my point quite well and if you support those that bring the color of one skin in a racist manner into the conversation, then you are a racist as well as a hypocrit. You cannot “sugar coat” what is obvious.

          • JeffH

            Definition for racist
            - based on racism: based on prejudices and stereotypes related to race
            - prejudiced against other races: prejudiced against all people who belong to other races
            - racist person: somebody who hates others who are not of his or her own race

          • http://naver Sook Cha

            Thank you for giving out private info, Chris! Remember, there are laws against that, you know. This means war, son! Prepare for battle, you lib trash!

          • Denniso

            JeffH is confused once again. He thinks that mentioning that a person is ‘white’ and married to a Korean is a racist comment and so ProudAmerican is a racist?

            There is nothing wrong w/ identifying someone using skin color,ask the African Americans who are often called ‘Black’,even though most are certainly not black…it’s racist to demean any group of humans based upon their skin color or ethnicity. Racism is also almost exclusive to a ruling majority that has the power to hold down minorities. When people in a minority are racist toward the majority it almost never has any force or power behind it since they are more powerless,and so has very little actual effect except maybe incivility
            or hurt feelings.

            Whether JeffH is a racist himself or not,he is doing what they do…claiming that the very ones who call them on their racism are themselves racist…one of the aspects of being a liberal is being anti racist and accepting of all people,even to a fault the worst of the rightwingers who promote things like racism.

      • ProudAmerican

        The point I was making wasn’t meant in a racist manner whatsoever. I was simply asking SAMURAI (who is totally against any form of gay marriage) to consider how it would feel to him and his Korean wife if their marriage wasn’t allowed legally in the U.S. It was illegal for interracial couples to be married until June of 1967. I was trying to see if he would understand what it would be like if that law were still in effect to day and how if would effect him personally. Like it does today with many gay people wanting to be married. There was nothing racial. It was just asking him to walk a mile in someone else’s shoes.

        • JeffH

          The point is ProudLiberalAmerican is that the minute you added the color of ones skin into the conversation, it became a racist’s comment, no if’s, and’s or but’sabout it. If you said it then it has to be an issue with you, no matter how you try to explain it.
          You libs like to judge others as well! How does it feel…racist!

          • JeffH

            What I mean in that is that all of you libs ain’t as perfect, compassionate and right as you think…take a walk in them thar’ shoes, afterall, they fit you quite well.

          • Karolyn

            I cannot believe your “logic.” Actually, though I can believe it thinking about where it’s coming from. Small minds think little thoughts.

          • ProudAmerican

            The reason I added the fact that Samurai being white and his wife being Korean had to do with the law of interracial couples not being able to be legally married in the U.S. until 1967. They are an interracial couple. Are they not? It’s not racial. As you know, you meed to have your facts together to prove a point. My point, if you’ll take a moment to understand it, was to ask Samurai: “If the law against interracial marriage was still in effect today would you feel it equally as unfair as the laws the keep gay couples from having a legally recognizes marriage/union?”. I feel both laws are unfair. NOW, do you understand?

            Don’t assume I’m a liberal. I have open views, but fiscally, very conservative.

          • JeffH

            ProudLiberalAmerican, go ahead and make all the excuses you want, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…it’s a duck. Despite any name you want to call it, you’re comment was racist!

            As for Karen’s comment…what happened to your “love thy neighbor” speel? You, too, are nothing more than a hypocrit with your “can’t we all get along” attitude. You’re certainly not above lowering your standards are you…hypocrit.

          • ProudAmerican

            I explained my comment to you in a respectful, intelligent, and unbiased manner, so it was easy to understand. You know that it wasn’t racist. I’ve never understood how someone could think that way. You have chosen to think something else after a reasonable explanation. But as you say “If walks like an a$$, talks like an a$$, and thinks like an a$$…” Well Jeff, you’re doing a great job of being one. Do you always call someone a liberal when in the slightest disagreement with them? As if that’s an insult. I’m an open minded conservative, but hey, ‘lib’ away if that makes you happy.

          • ProudAmerican

            Are you actually a mature adult? I’m 52. You’re acting about 40 years younger than that. I think you just like stirring up the $h|T. Don’t you?

            After reading the definitions from Webster’s dictionary below. Which one fits you the most?

            Conservative:
            1. Tending to oppose change. Moderate; cautious:
            2. Traditional or restrained in style,

            Liberal:
            1. Generous: Abundant: Ample: Not limited to or by established, traditional, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
            2. Respectful of the ideas of others: tolerant: broad-minded: Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress.

          • JeffH

            You just can’t handle the truth, can you, ProudLiberalAmerican!

          • ProudAmerican

            Of course I can handle the truth. The real truth. If you honestly feel that what I said was racist, then I apologize if I offended you. You can either choose to accept it or not.

          • Alex

            Are JeffH and DaveH married? They sound so much alike, all Teabagged up and everything…

          • JeffH

            Well it’s so nice to see another parrot has arrived on the scee…Polly want a cracker…bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

          • http://naver Sook Cha

            JeffH, unproud unamerican isn’t 52, he’s a very immature 37 year old! Don’t pay attention to him. He’s just stirring up the waters. How can he be fiscally conservative, but be pro gay, I’ll never know. Keep up the good fight. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://gmail i41

    Yes this is a redneck country , once people get out away from the queers, the reason liberals and socialist democrats cann’t be rednecks, is because they are unisexed or metasexual and have long hair covering up their faggot necks.serious, by you and all of your queer rump ranger friends, we red necks are sick, because we think all abnormal faggot actions are sick and perverted.Karolyn as your mission of bringing peace and joy to the world ,why don’t you and Denessio open a no sharge whorehouse, the airy fairy crap that you queer lovers spout, makes normal people want to have a season on muslims and perverted queers and steers. After the hunt we will barbacue the steer and have a beer or two. It constitutes a gathering of worthless peices of parasitic organisms when gay pride waddles. When you wighged out over why I’m glad I haven’t witnessed a queer group of abnormal pukes, they should be thinned out of society plain and simple. As for the muslims males they own everything in their households,women, children (both daughters and sons) to use, abuse or kill, serious, do you follow the post now you queer log flogger.Study what the Koran says and the behavior of muslim males, they can queer their own boys until 10 when they must go to a mosque and start religous training and then the are considered a man. Another area most puke brained socialist demorats don’t read about or understand. Also you apparently didn’t like the crowded rat factual information, well only demorats can walk at times, but rats are used for expermints for drugs for AIDS infected faggots or for your little queer buddies. So they are compatable with humans, just like pigs can grow organs for humans, if only the pigs brains could be implanted in muslims and queers. As for schools teaching the queer crap on taxpayers dime, it should be stopped. When drug programs in schools were the rage, about 4 years later, studies proved all it did was encourage kids to try drugs. A fact, not a overeducated theory which the drug program was, you faggot limp wristed morons beleive in. As for my grandkids, well the 8th grader just got to beat the snot out of a Denver 10 grader who is trying out the attitutde of impressing his queer veiws on a 8th grade group on what is normal sexual behavior for males at a swimming meet. The jokester might be able to see in a week and talk and walk when his gonads drop down out of his teeth and his lings start working again.. When we have abnormal animals we dispose of them and eleminate repeats. Karolyn and denniso are just a couple of staggy cull cows that love to lick on each other and hope they both go into the 36 hour standing heat at the same time. Also both of you, I am pretty pround of my marksmanship with any firearm, and usually am asked to do the cutting of livestock since I was 16, at brandings or horse gathering, so yes you can say I’m dangerous by your faggot pussified overcrowded standrads that you dorks espouse as normal.

    • Karolyn

      You really are sick! I bet you’re really proud of your grandson. Well, I feel sorry for him, having a grandpa like you. It’s people like you make people want to use the terms “Redneck” or “White Trash.” Woo-Hoo, you can use a gun. Well, so can I if I wanted to. I feel sorry for you. And I guess you expect to go to Heaven too? Jesus would have no patience with your kind, though he would bless you.

    • ProudAmerican

      I’m sorry, would you repeat that? I could understand you with all of the pre-school mentality crap coming out of your mouth. You consider yourself a cowpoke, right. Now, would that be a noun or a verb?!?

      You know i41, it’s okay. You don’t have to put on an act any longer. There’s no need for you to be masquerading as a tough heterosexual male. It’s okay to love yourself as you REALLY are, as well as love that man in your life. Don’t be afraid. Come out of the closet. Anyone who is your true friend will still go fishing with you, rustle cattle with you, as well as go shopping at the mall for those little satin numbers you enjoy wearing under your Wranglers. At least you can say you’re no longer living lie. Don’t dream it, be it!

      The record number of the word queer (11 times in the last post) is getting kind of tired and uncreative. I must be tough having such a feeble mind. It sucks to be you!

    • Seriously?!?

      Other definitions:

      Faggot: (volume), archaic unit of measurement for bundles of sticks.
      Faggot: (food), British meatball commonly made of pork offal.
      Faggot: (voter), hireling eligible to vote as nominal titleholder of part a subdivided property
      Faggot cell: blast cell type found in acute promyelocytic leukemia
      Faggot worm: Eumeta crameri, from the bundles of twigs it binds to itself

  • ProudAmerican

    You said – “I’m dangerous by your faggot pussified overcrowded ‘standrads’ that you dorks espouse as normal.” Excuse me, but what are ‘STANDRADS’? I know what ‘STANDARDS’ are, but not ‘STANDRADS’ Is that a cowpoke term?

  • http://gmail i41

    Yes I do raise livestock, and we do cut males of the queer nature, since they have no use except for hamburger. I can see you faggots are resorting to the eleitist spelling crap when beaten. Queers of any organism is a abnormality and doesn’t deserve the sactanty of marriage. You act and sound just like that fat faggot sow Rosie, her “marriage” lasted a nano second. OMG, what is that Oh a Moron Gomer or are you just a plain steer. I can see why all you queer bastards stay clustered like rats in a sewer city, please just stay there. You clumpimg together in metro cities in queer havens proves my facts, you are just like human rats and demorats. all have abnormal behavior, and cann’t survive out in the real world of facts and real work. B enviormentut in artsy fartsy crap and complete with criminal behavior. yes I love the man that is my life, it is me, I don’t need some phyco loon telling me BS theories and what is normal behavior. You egg sucking queer bastards need to each grab a socialist democrap and go to the Netherlands, I’m sure they would welcome you abhorrent faggots with cheering lisps.Karolyn are talking about a cap gun, or a strap on one,it might have a hair trigger.The statement I could if I wanted one is strictly liberal b–l s–t, sounds just like I could have been a drill instructor if I want to. Typical liberal spun crap. All of you faggots need to stay in big bunches, so when the marxist muslim lets pedohile goat f–king cousins take over and find out you rump rangers are around, they can take care of a group and not have to hunt and work to hard, to remove you empty heads off of your shoulders. Reading your posts make normal people think eleitists from the cities and urban areas are the most simple minded dip sh-ts that don’t have a clue what life is. As for the difference in education tests rural schools students test 2-3 grades ahead of city schools and the IQ of rural students test 28 points higher at every level, because the parents want useable skills, not the feel good crap!

    • ProudAmerican

      Raising livestock is a tough job. I’ve done it too, I know. I actually live on a farm. I’ve also lived in big cities. How come you show absolutely no sense of humor. The spelling thing: it’s just a way we poke fun at one another because we often take ourselves way too seriously. We all misspell. Me included. You have to admit it was kind of funny–you misspelled elitist, while mentioning the ‘elitist spelling police’. I’m thankful for auto spellchecker or I’d be in a mess. The world is not as bad as you’re making it out to be. The things you assume about people are not necessarily how it is in reality. Yes, there are some sick people in this world, but there not who you think they. The reason people make comments to you the way they do, is because of how you present yourself. It’s important, whether you believe it or not, being respectful of yourself with go a long way in respecting others. You know how it is in life; you get what you give. How are you honestly serving anyone by using the type of language you’ve chosen. If you present yourself in a different manner, you will be received in a different light. You may be a very good man, but you’re not letting it show here. Just think about it.

      • Denniso

        i41 can’t present himself in a different manner because he is what he is…a homophobe,bigot and fool. He’s apparently slow enough to think that he can scare people though his computer by using vile words and languague,all the while he’s probably a 90 lb wimp afraid of his own shadow,which is why he strikes out at things and people he’s afraid of. We shouldn’t give his moronic and juvenile comments any attention and maybe he’ll just disappear back to his cell.

  • ProudAmerican

    Raising livestock is a tough job. I’ve done it too, I know. I actually live on a farm. I’ve also lived in big cities. How come you show absolutely no sense of humor. The spelling thing: it’s just a way we poke fun at one another because we often take ourselves way too seriously. We all misspell. Me included. You have to admit it was kind of funny…you misspelled elitist. I’m thankful for auto spellchecker or I’d be in a mess. The world is not as bad as you’re making it out to be. The things you assume about people are not necessarily how it is in reality. The reason people make comments to you the way they do, is because of how you present yourself. It’s important, whether you believe it or not, being respectful of yourself with go a long way in respecting others. You know how it is in life; you get what you give. How are you honestly serving anyone by using the type of language you’ve chosen. If you present yourself in a different manner, you will be thought of in a different light. You may be a very good man, but you’re not letting it show here. Just think about it.

    • JeffH

      ProudAmerican, I repectfully accept your apology although it is not I that deserves one. I hope this will end any further unpleasant exchanges between you and I. I do believe the person that is owed the apology is Samurai as it was he whom the comment was directed.

      • ProudAmerican

        Thank you for accepting.

        After reading some of samurai’s and responses to mine he was only being condemning towards gay people and marriage.

        I was simply asking him to consider a different perspective on a law that bans gay people from getting legally married. At one time in America he wouldn’t have been allowed to legally marry his wife from Korea because the law banned interracial marriage. That law was wrong and condemning in my eyes. Just because a majority wants something, it isn’t necessarily the right thing. I wanted to know how he’d feel if the interracial marriage ban was never overturned. He would feel it totally unfair. He loves his wife and no one should ban him from marrying the one he loves. Thankfully the ban on interracial marriage was over turned. Hopefully the same thing will happen for gay marriage. No ban on gay marriage. Can you understand what I was trying to say. Maybe it needed to be worded differently so it wouldn’t have been misunderstood.

        • http://naver Samurai

          I’m waiting for my appology in writing, if you don’t mind?

          • ProudAmerican

            The ban on interracial marriage in America was over turned in June of 1967. Honestly now, how would you feel if the ban on interracial marriage was still in place today? Don’t you feel that it would be totally unfair and wrong? I certainly do. The majority was certainly wrong then. Thankfully the interracial marriage ban is forever gone. I glad it is for you and the wife you love.

          • ProudAmerican

            Ok, I apologize if I offended you. It was never my intention. This is my gift to you…with a ‘bowe’ on top. :-) I’ll bet your wife is a pretty bowe too!

          • Denniso

            Come on…saying that a white man is married to a Korean woman,for the purpose of making a point about racism in the past,is NOT racism.
            Sam and JeffH,grow up and quit playing the phony racism card. What a joke…

          • ProudAmerican

            You know Samurai, I think you and Jeff have a very quick wit. I’ll have to give you that. Some of the stuff that you two have been posting is really kind of funny. :-) You guys make a great team! you work off one another very well! Have you thought about putting an act together and taking you’re act on the road. There’s a lot of people out there who would get a kick out of your guys material. I know a booking agent. He could probably book you places close to home. Maybe near San Diego? Would that be a convenient location? Since your wife is a lawyer, she could write up the contract. What do you think? I mean, you and Jeff are so clever together. I think it would be a hit!

    • libertytrain

      Nice to see the person I thought you might be.

    • Bob Wire

      ProudAmerican, ~ sc is a great spell checker and grammar correcter!

      He know how to read too!

      and of course I totally agree with you. ~ We are not professional writers and don’t claim to be.

      Myself, spell check helps a lot ~ but does little to correct those typos caused by dyslectic. ~ Why I can’t see the errors! elude me.

      Why is the word “like and kind” the same to me? Why is It or In the same? ~ Simple things! ~ it’s like looking in a mirror and thinking in reverse sometimes. ~ It varies at times ~ There is times, it takes a lot of effort to hammer anything out for those of us “blessed” with this curse.

      It doesn’t make us any “less”, but much like homosexuals ~ we are indeed different and we must stay alert to it. I’m having to focus twice as hard to do what others find easy to do.

      And the worse thing is, Who wants to bring any attention to the chinks in ones own armor. Who wants to admit to such things?

      So ~ I wouldn’t be the best choice for a good air traffic controller. We that have this “gift” know our limitations.

      The most frighting thing I’ve ever done in my life was call in artillery strikes. Today, I would refuse too!

      I thank everyone for their indulgence in such matters. If it’s not a part of your world, feel very lucky.

      But on a side note; This “affliction” enables us to see things that you tend to overlook! ~ We tend to start at the back of the book and go forward. A mixed blessing at best.

      • ProudAmerican

        I can definitely see that your respectfulness and civility are in excellent working order. I feel every person has abilities and disabilities. No one is immune. Think we’re all more alike than different in most cases. Using your baseball analogy; I hope the catcher won’t mind if he has to use his glove more often when I’m at bat. “Steeeerike!” I guess the dugout isn’t really THAT bad of a place. You get to hang with your friends.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Bob,
        I don’t use spell check. The brain like any other part of the body needs to be used and “excercised”! Look at the number of kids that can’t add three didgit numbers because the school lets them use a calculator! If you rely on spell check, you will find yourself needing it more and more in the future!! My mother, at 90 years old could spell very well and she could balance her checkbook each month and never come out more than a few cents off. How many of you out there 50 years old can say that? No calculator, please!!

  • FreedomFighter

    Advances in medical science will within the next 30 years probably make homosexuals a non-issue. Genetic manipulation and other treatments will “cure” anyone traped in the wrong body. Advances in prebirth screening will give parents the edge in eliminating such occurances of genetic defect in the first place.

    Those that choose gay as a lifestyle to not deserve marriage under god, but I dont have a problem with full rights under a state union.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • ProudAmerican

      Well then, maybe they can find the bigot gene and remove it first to see if they are successful.

      • FreedomFighter

        Some issues have clear cut answers.

        Medical science progress will provide the “cure”.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • denniso

          A percentage of people born around the world are born gay…a percentage are also born w/ red hair,a fairly small percentage at that. Do people propose to ‘cure’ red hair in some because it’s a small minority and usually doesn’t help advance one’s career very well?

          Gay people are not like people born w/ birth defects or diseases,it’s simply a random rearrangement chromosomes that occurrs. Would we want to find a ‘cure’ for twins? Many societies have in the past and some still favor boys over girls…girls were often left to die outside villages. Should we look for a ‘cure’ to stop from having girl babies?

    • ProudAmerican

      That’s a thought, but how about a cure for these firts:
      Alzheimer’s disease, arthritis. asthma, astigmatism, autoimmune diseases, benign prostate hyperplasia (BPH), bipolar disorder (manic-depressive), brain cancer, breast cancer, cancer, candidiasis, cataracts, celiac disease, cervical cancer, chlamydia, chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), colon cancer, Crohn’s disease, cystic fibrosis, dementia, diabetes, diarrhea, depression, eczema, endometriosis, fibroids, fibromyalgia, flu (influenza), Gallstones, Graves’ disease, Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, heart disease, hemochromatosis, hepatitis, herpes, HIV, Hodgkin’s disease, HPV (human papilloma virus), hypertension, impotence, jaundice, kidney disease, lactose intolerance, leukemia, liver cancer, liver disease, lung cancer, lupus, Lyme disease, lymphoma, meningitis, meningococcal disease, multiple sclerosis, muscular dystrophy, narcolepsy, Non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, osteoporosis, ovarian cancer, Parkinson’s disease, pelvic inflammatory disease, pertussis, prostate cancer, Raynaud’s Phenomenon, SARS, stroke, thrush, thyroid disorders, whooping cough.
      Those can have an effect on eveyone. Unless you feel the other is WAY more impotant.

  • Bob Wire

    That’s a cheerily thought ~ it must be hell, locked in the wrong body.

    It’s bad enough to be a Human Earthling and restricted by any body, man or woman.

    We’ve been sent here to learn and learning is hard for many.

    Learn WHAT? there’s so much!

    I just spent a day in the country visiting an old Flame and her daughter from 30 years ago. I had a good visit, it was good to get out of town,away from the noise and heat of the city. It hear the wind blow again.

    In someways it seemed like yesterday, but today they are both old and I’m the young one. (Haha) The daughter is now 39, she came down with a rare disease ~ basically from the waist down, she’s an internal mess. So her husband basically threw her out. What a sad story! Seems she’s had the time to accept it. She refuses to be sick and accepts the things she can no longer do and thinks of tomorrow and all she can still do with her life.

    ~ She works for a defense major contractor, engineers construct missile programs and give them to her. ~ She goes though them and “makes” them reliable dependable programs that can be repeated and used as finished products.

    Such a smart skinny little girl she grew to be.

    Life is not fair! It’s gives you things only to take others away.

    It’s not within our power to make life fair for everyone.

    But we should all work to be compassionate and try understand, help when we can. Life is much like a baseball game, ~ you are left to just stand there until the ball comes “your way” and then do your personal best.

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    It seems that americas social misfits,wants to cover their socialy depraved life styles with the word” marriage,instead of the word “union ,that was always been the property of men and women that have chosen to live together,and have families,but it seems that the closet misfits are like little children and will not rest until they put the word marriage into their cesspool of social garbage,and guess what that means stepping all over the rights of everyone who voted no on this topic of giving gays or lesbians the right to use the word marriage.personaly i cant make sense out of this crazy life style stuff,but know one thing for sure and that is when you say you are an american citizen,that will place you in the social sewer in the eyes of every nation worldwide as a degenerate scumbag worldwide,just want to say this too,thanks judge,for giving all the voters the thruth about how our votes are thrown out the window when these liberal communist scumbags want to put another nail in this nations coffin,and you should hang your head in shame,you have dishonored the american people and thrown filth on the american voters faces,fighting for liberty once,but now it should be called defending degenerates that run this country,smell the stink.and i dont know about being locked in the wrong body ,but i know about being fed a bunch of horse poop and being told its,steak and potatoes,guess what i am not buying it what so ever.BUT i know how it is being trapped in the wrong time,it is hell when our votes mean nothing.

    • Karolyn

      You said: “when you say you are an american citizen,that will place you in the social sewer in the eyes of every nation worldwide as a degenerate scumbag worldwide,” Uh, sorry most of the civilized nations of the World have no problem with homosexuality. Third World and Asian and Arab countries are the ones that think like you.

      • Denniso

        The rightwing people who are so adamently opposed to equal rights for gays should realize they are on the side of most backward third world countries and definitely on the side of fanatic Muslims…is that the side these people want to be on and can’t they imagine that it makes them look like the same kind of fanatics???

        • Denniso

          There’s a great 30yr old song by John Stewart,former member of the Kingston Trio who went off on his own and made something like 40 albums.

          ‘Jesus walked w/ the harlots and he ran w/ the hoodlum kind,
          I do believe I’d have been a friend of Jesus in his time’

          ‘I hear he didn’t have no money,I hear he didn’t have a dime,
          I do believe I’d have been a friend of Jesus in his time’.

          Just a few lines from a good song written and sung by a non Christian.
          Of course Jesus was a liberal and he would be called a socialist today by the rightwingers. He told the rich to give away their money…isn’t that the dreaded ‘income redistribution’ the rightwing whines about? How many rich Christians give away more that 10% of their wealth to their church? If they want to be true Christians they would have to give away enough so they were reduced to a normal working person’s wages…most are only hypocrites and nothing more.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          dennislobber,
          theres one thing wrong with your statement on wealth distribution. Jesus told THE RICH to do it, he didn’t tell the government to do it for them!!!

        • Denniso

          The gov’t doesn’t come close to taking all the wealth away from the rich and you fail to see the point anyway…super rich supposed Christians living like kings when their Messiah told them to give it all away.

      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        TO: karolyn,really only asians and moslems and third world countries think that way,how about the prop.8 vote in the state of california,and as far as trying to give the impression the being straight is backward,did gays or people of that calling ever build a country or nation,the answer is no,it was family people,as far as your outlook,last time i looked,the majority of the american public look at the liberated life style as a moral danger to the youth of this nation,and if being truful is third world,you best get glasses,because normal people,are not as kind as i am,and because i post what i feel,you get offensive,your breeding shows,and guess what this is not disneyland,and the facts you are a grain of sand in a great ocean,so good luck in your slights,i am white and a former country boy that speaks his mind,so live with it.

        • Karolyn

          The majority of CIVILIZED countries in the world have no problem with homosexuality. So where does that leave the US – UN-civilized! As far as gays building a nation, They’ve been around a long time, and we’d probably be surprised at finding out who actually was gay. Today gays are responsible for bringing back neighborhoods and entire towns by buying blighted buildings and rebuilding. Most straight people that buy blighted buildings are slumlords who could give a rat’s patootie what happened to the town. They’re probably conservative too!

    • ProudAmerican

      Whatever you choose to call an individual will never change the fact, that if you are born an American, you will always be an American. That includes ALL Americans. Thank God it’s not the United States of (insert your name here).

      By the way, I know of some straight men who want to have a same sex marriage, so they can have all the same benefits of a legally married couple. Since they’re not gay, I guess that would be acceptable.

      • Karolyn

        That is very thought-provoking!

        • ProudAmerican

          That’s because you’re a thoughtful person. Thoughtful people use their brains wisely. :-)

  • http://Verizon Bud G.

    Bob Wire: Read you comment earlier in these comments and totally agree with what you said about same sex marriage.

    There is one thing I don’t recall anyone commenting about and that is if the Constitution trumps State law, what happens with those people who are employed to include State or Federal employees and gay. Their marriage in a State which allows it may not be recognized in another State. Would that mean the Federal Government would be required to afford them the benefits regardless of the laws on this in any State?

    Does anyone know what the present law is on this regarding gay marriages under the IRS codes? If there isn’t an allowable deduction for a spouse in a gay marriage, will this become an issue for legislation? It seems to be an issue larger than any State law regarding gay marriage. There are many people in this blog who are well read and would like know what their thoughts are regarding this.

  • http://gmail i41

    People don’t care,including me, if faggots want to live together or stand on their heads. But don’t want them to keep whining about the need for special favors and exemptions, that ranks right up with any color, race, or gender BS. Since earlier posts blew smoke and wet their dresses, about my comments, I frankly don’t give damn. This country keeps compromising, and the citizens stand about whining and wringing their hands over problems. Grow a spine and make a stand, I was a shop foreman in Denver for the only rock quarry and also their own asphalt company, so a few times I had some simpering dorks to deal with over my standards. Reading yesterdays posts whining about we all have to understand and give sympathy and extra love to faggots, wrong. When faggots can get special understanding from the courts and legal system as happened when I was down at the Denver International. When a rancher got fined and spent a night in the crowbar hotel, for knocking a few teeth out and having to pay for a dentist, on a fag who run up and grabbed his ass, when he was walking with his wife and daughters. That is the kind of special treatment fags and “minorities get. Just like the thug Black Panthers get. When normal people keep compromising, it means we meet on their side, and give up our rights and standards, it is just like the socialist democraps, no compromise as long as conservatives give in and cave. Didn’t see any on the education bill and health care bill, just to name a few of the socialist crap. Sometimes there is point of just telling your oppentents, don’t cross the line and this is the line. Proud American, your definations, forgot some items, liberals, use some one elses chips or money for social programs that don’t work, and there sure isn’t abundant jobs, no taxes being paid in to the treasury, but the lower and middle class are going to pay way more, or there isn’t as much happiness in the country as there was a few years ago. Your statement Jesus was a liberal and a socialist, your interpation leaves alot to turn around. Romans were the marxist socialistds slugs, governemnt controlled everything even your life or how you lived, everything was taxed, with crooked tax collectors stealing, their bath house condoned queers and prostitution,and thhere were 2 clsses of people, Romans and thee non-Romans, everything was controlled by a annointed Caezer or a harsh head nut job, like Nero. Who fiddle and vactioned, while everything went to hell, while the artsy fartsy fag enterained, it was a real hit. Karolyn and Denniso, talk about understanding and trying to spread joy and love for everyone and everything. Either you two are the foolish idoits who preach the liberal BS and beleive the “lets us all get along and hugs” bildge, and have no “standards”. Well I do have certain things I don’t compromise on, and faggots, is one of them and marxist mulim morons and democrats ring the bell for seconded place. Also I’m 6’2″ @ 227 so I don’t know if I’m a whimp by your veiws. Just got a computer 4 years ago and like to chat with mouthy wimps and the so called brainy knuckle draggers, so you two old canners and cutters, just keep on bringing it on. I’ll just say a prayer for you two, and have sweet dreams of G.W. Bush, he didn’t do alot of things I liked, but people were working and were safe and for a few years he kept the radicals, faggots and muslims at bay!

    • Karolyn

      I’ll pray for you too, 151, and I mean that.

      • Karolyn

        Oops! sorry I meant 141.

    • Denniso

      I’m not going to pray for i41…he’s way past hope. His lack of knowledge of history is only slightly shallower than his knowledge of manners in society. The Romans were an autocratic regime and more fascist than socialist…socialism tries to spread the wealth around fairly,did the romans do that? He’s a fool and his ignorance is dangerous to society.He should try to learn a bit before he makes more of a fool of himself in public…go back to the quarry.

      Having a dummy like i41 saying prayers for me is like Hitler saying a prayer for peace. Ridiculous…

      • Denniso

        You know when the other side is desperate…all they can do is use vile and obscene language as well as total misinformation and outright lies…Obama’s a communist,marxist,fascist,socialist,all the while he’s bailing out the biggest capitalists in the world. They also seem to fall back on sheer stupidity when at less desperate times they manage to hide it better.

    • James

      i41, Republicans didn’t exactly ‘give in.’ Because of their pro-war stance in the Middle East, they lost control of Congress and were just outvoted. President Obama was elected because he promised to end those wars, but now he says only the war in Iraq will end. We now know that Sadaam Hussein had nothing to do with the 9-11 attack. With that I’ll leave y’all.

  • hundabuxt

    What the liberal minded here have to realize is that those of us who quietly sat by while the moral fiber of America has degraded slowly but surly, we conservative types have finally been backed against the wall of tolerance. We’ve had enough and as was said in the movie Network: “We’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it anymore!”.
    I do not care how much you try to rationalize it, a guy pounding his man thing up the backside of another guy is not natural. It is abnormal. Its sick. Its not moral or right to kill babies, be they in the body or without. That is sick. You kill the product of your carelessness for convience. I do not care how much you rationalize it, once concieved a life begins. I pity those of you who have done this. You will be giving an account of your actions to a higher power someday. Get a clue you liberals and sickies. We’re damn mad now and we outnumber you.

    • Denniso

      You’re obscene…

  • Raul Pompa

    Read the bible God create man and from his rib formed a woman to be his mate for life . look what happen to sodom God nuked them for there perversion . homosexuality is an abomination before God and a sin to man and woman. so california get ready your judgement day is comimg soon from God . read 1 Corinthians 1:6-9-10 l and Leviticus 18:22-23; 20:13

    • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

      Good post and God Luck Proud American. (left the fat fingered Freudian slip in there on purpose). I was brought up evangelical fundamentalist born again by a grandmother who made my baptist minister father look like a Zen Buddhist monk.

      I’ve brought this up before ono this list and will do so again. The bible mentions “homosexuality”, men laying with men.. what ever about a dozen times. It mentions helping the poor and being of service over 2,000 times. I just read a post where there over a dozen epitaths towards gays but not one mention of helping the poor. It’s quite evident this person does not reflect the mind of God.. whose image we’re made in.

      I just have to wonder how many of those who eschew violence in the name of God has ever had a real spiritual connection with the holy spirit. Oh yeah.. they hear about it in church and have run it through their minds trying to come to an intellectual decision on what it all means but they them selves have never had one such experience.. nor have those who are trying to teach them that it’s God’s will to hate and wage wars. Not one of them has ever had an experience where the holy spirit enters the body and their life is changed forever. The only thing that’s ever entered their bodies is rage and they’ve received permission by their ministers who would make the bible a perversion. Maybe that’s why they’re so mad :-)

      Anyway, keep up the good work.

      Paz

      Duende

      • Karolyn

        Thank you for that Duende. It is so sad that so many of our Christian brothers are void of spirituality. There’s an attitude of “as long as I can quote and interpret the Bible the way my preacher does, I’m holier than thou.” I just saw on TV yesterday where one church is planning a Koranburning. That’s really Christian isn’t it? Toptally devoid of spirituality. Honestly, I don’t think they know what the word means, more’s the pity. And for you regressives, I’m not being mean here or offensive, just telling it like I see it.

        • ProudAmerican

          Hi there kind person. Here’s a link to an interesting article: http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian
          Thanks for your many postings throughout the forum. You’re a shining light. The others…the jury is still out on that one. :-)

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            Proud American…Good link.. he has some humor as well. Did you notice that you’re nicely presented comments on how the story of Sodom had been so misrepresented is gone? Did you remove it? I can’t remove or edit mine so I doubt it. I really felt that Bob L. had more integrity than to do something like that. Maybe some junior administrator couldn’t deal with the truth :-) It’s a shame because you presented it beautifully.

            All the best

            Duende

          • Aint that the truth…

            Duende – you make a valid point that perhaps some would question – I expect it wasn’t the post itself that was the problem, but the poster – in my experience and work background – I have learned that sometimes posts are removed not because of content but because of other problems the poster in question has created or is attempting to create that is/are not visible to the other reader’s eyes – spam attack is one example, viral links, many other things seen behind the scenes of every good website.

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            Hey Ain’t that the Truth.. I could agree with your synopsis if the post I referred to had any of those traits in it or if All of Proud Americans posts were deleted. I wish you could have seen it. You might not have agreed with it but it was scholarly in it’s presentation. No links. viral or other wise. Nope.. just very curious as to why such a well presented rebuttal would be deleted.
            Peace

            Duende

          • Aint that the truth…

            Duende – I would beg to differ with you on this. Have you read all the thousands of posts on this site- pretty intense on both sides of the fence. Paranoia runs deep, but is not always accurate. If it was, hundreds of posts would be removed. And perhaps you answered the question yourself – why that one and not others – glitch?

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            Ain’t that the Truth

            Let’s not blame on glitches what can easily be explained by conspiracy :-)
            I just wish the glitches would occur to some of these inane posts that are nothing but an exchange of insults and not something that was written with integrity.

            Peace

            Duende

          • Aint that the truth…

            Duende – there are many posts that are annoying from both sides and many posts from both sides that are good reads. Stuff happens and not always what people want.

          • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

            there are those who say life is unfair and doesn’t care what we wish.And there are those who say we create life with our very intentions (see prayer). I opt for the latter. I wish you a wonderful day.
            Paz

            Duende

        • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

          Hi Karolyn
          Thanks for the comment. The key word is spirituality.It’s something that has to be experienced.. It’s nothing a preacher or even a book can give you. It;s the direct relationship that all humans are meant to have with the divine and yet so few witness because their lives and their egos are misdirected and prefer to hear the screaming in their minds rather than what appear to be the soft gentle urgings of spirit. I say “appear to be the soft gentle urgings” because behind that gentleness is a power that makes an atom bomb no more than the glow of a lightening bug on a summers evening. (We still have lightening bugs here in Guatemala where as they seemed to have disappeared in the US where I’d lived)

    • Denniso

      Most people who hate gays are appalled at the thought of sex between men,yet the some of the same sex acts occur between men and women. The gay haters need to think of 2 people in love and stop assuming anything about their sex life…it’s likely there are gay couples who don’t even engage in sex.

  • hundabuxt

    Hetrosexual couples finding oral or anal sex disturbing is no big deal. Whatever happens between a man and a woman if mutually agreed upon is quite acceptable. However if either the male or female desires oral sex or anything from his or her partner, and the other finds it difficult, its time for some consuling. We should strive to fully satisfy our mate in order to avoid temptation.
    The pro homosexual posts here are at times quite eloquent and rational sounding, but something those of you have to understand about we anti-gay advocates is there are some thing’s we find naturally repugnant or offensive. A father having sex with his natural daughter for instance. Brother and sister getting married. Sex with animals. God has instilled certain natural instincts in humans one of which is the resistance to and inability to condone or desire sex between same sex partners. Does it happen? Yup. Always has and always will as will the other acts described above. If you have these tendencies it understandable that you’d want to strive to make it socially acceptable. It is far more tolorated now than back in say the 60′s but pushing for marrage between same sex couples goes too far. If this becomes the social norm, there is precident for allowing many other unnatural relationships such as polygamy, which is intriguing actually. One woman can be a pain all by herself but say seven might be interesting. They can keep eachother company, vie for your affection so there’s competition, listen to eachothers gripes, share household responsibilities presumably no problem finding a willing bed partner(s) and on and on. If you can afford it why not since we’re redesigning our mores?

    • OU812

      I agree that some thing’s are naturally repugnant or offensive. A father having sex with his natural daughter, a brother and sister getting married, sex with animals. I feel those acts are very sick and disturbing. None of which have anything to do with two mature consenting adults in love wanting to have a legally recognized life together. I also don’t believe in polygamy either, yet God accepted, affirmed and blessed polygamous marriages in scripture.
      a. Lamech had two wives – Genesis 4:19.
      b. Esau had three wives – Genesis 26:34 & 28:9.
      c. Jacob had four wives – Genesis 29:28 & 30:4-9.
      d. Gideon had many wives – Judges 8:30.
      e. Abijah had 14 wives – II Chronicles 13:21.
      Except for the the obvious, the majority of same-sex couples, as with opposite-sex couples lead very similar lives. The Love between two mature consenting adults is a gift from God, as it is with the one in your life. Love is love.

  • Aint that the truth…

    Duende – you make a valid point that perhaps some would question – I expect it wasn’t the post itself that was the problem, but the poster – in my experience and work background – I have learned that sometimes posts are removed not because of content but because of other problems the poster in question has created or is attempting to create that is/are not visible to the other reader’s eyes – spam attack is one example, viral links, many other things seen behind the scenes of every good website.

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