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Congress Wants Automatic Wage Deductions To Pay Down The Debt

July 14, 2011 by  

Congress Wants Automatic Wage Deductions To Pay Down The Debt

Folks… you just can’t make this stuff up.

On July 6, at least a dozen busybody Congressmen sponsored the introduction of H.R. 2411, the Reduce America’s Debt Now Act of 2011. They always come up with fantastic names for these pieces of legislation… and rest assured, the better/more patriotic the name, the more ominous the bill. This one follows the pattern.

H.R. 2411 states that every worker in America should be able to voluntarily have a portion of his or her wages automatically withheld and sent directly to the Treasury Department for the purposes of paying down the Federal debt.

“Every employer making payment of wages shall deduct and withhold upon such wages any amounts so elected, and shall pay such amounts over to the Secretary of the Treasury…”

That’s right. Uncle Sam is so broke that he wants to give all the good little Americans out there the opportunity to contribute an even greater portion of their paychecks to finance government largess.

Desperate? Hmmm… Don’t worry, it gets better.

Obviously, if an employee feels so compelled and should elect to have a portion of his or her paycheck withheld, the onus of responsibility is now on the employer to make it happen. The employer has to do all the paperwork, withhold the money, send the payment to the Treasury, maintain the account records and probably submit to all kinds of new filing requirements.

You can imagine that, if passed, the bill will result in a host of new Internal Revenue Service regulations, complete with a battery of penalties for employers who don’t fill out the paperwork properly or submit filings on time or who make some administrative mistake.

Think about it: If a small business owner has one single employee who is dumb enough to think it’s his patriotic duty to pay down the debt and decides to contribute $1 per month, that owner will have the responsibility for all kinds of new forms and filings, plus submit to new “debt reduction audits.”

But don’t worry, it gets even better.

So let’s say there are millions of sheep out there who elect to donate a portion of their toil and sweat so that the Chinese and big financial institutions don’t have to worry about an American default. How does Congress plan on rewarding its most patriotic citizens? By sticking it to them on their taxes, of course.

H.R. 2411 stipulates that any contribution made to the Treasury in order to pay down the Federal debt is not tax deductible.

“The (Treasury) Secretary shall include. . .  a reasonably conspicuous statement that any amounts deducted and withheld from wages. . .  are not deductible as charitable contributions for Federal income tax purposes.”

Imagine this scenario: You make $100,000 per year. In a fit of complete insanity, you decide that you want to withhold your entire annual salary to pay down the debt. Hey, you can always move in with Mom for the next year, right?

Well, guess what? Uncle Sam will gladly take your money… and then still expect you to pay taxes on the $100,000 you earned, so you would have to come out of pocket with an additional $40,000 or so.

Don’t worry, though. The Social Security and Medicare wages are reduced by the amount that you withhold, making you liable for only State and Federal taxes. Seems like a good deal, eh, comrades?

There are so many things utterly wrong with his piece of legislation, it’s hard to know where to begin other than by saying that such intellectual and philosophical perversion is only capable of springing from unprincipled sociopaths whose sole capability is the destruction of value.

There’s a great quote from Atlas Shrugged that comes to mind which sums this all up:

(W)hen you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing; when you see that money is flowing to those who deal not in goods, but in favors; when you see that men get rich more easily by graft than by work, and your laws no longer protect you against them, but protect them against you. . . you may know that your society is doomed.

According to legend, a frog, when put into a pot of water and slowly brought to a boil, doesn’t realize it’s in danger until it’s too late. I think the boiling frog just got a little hotter. Have you hit your breaking point yet?

If you have, I urge you to watch this free, 3-minute video. It can help you to survive and thrive in the age of turmoil.

Simon Black

is a former Military Intelligence Officer turned Globe Trotting Entrepreneur. As Chief Editor of Sovereign Man: Notes From The Field, Mr. Black sheds light on global economic trends and delivers actionable information for how to best achieve personal liberty. You can learn more about Mr. Black and subscribe to his free E-Letter by clicking here.

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  • DaveH

    What is keeping people from donating to Uncle Sam right now? Why throw the struggling employers under the bus with yet another hoop to jump through?
    And after that, does anybody really believe they won’t just spend that money like they did our Social Security money?
    The Politicians have gone insane. Don’t worry, they didn’t contribute much to Global Warming because it was a short trip.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      I got an idea, why not leave the working people and retired people who worked all their lives alone, and make those who year after year live on social program handouts, like welfare, food stamps, WIC, government housing, and many, many other handouts, and let them pay a couple bucks back each, every week. I mean, its not their money to start with, its off the backs of those of us who work. Its time we got these people to pony up something that leads to the bottom line, isnt it?

      • RobinPC

        Are they totally insane? Voluntarily pay more taxes so thery can send the money to MUSLIM countries, you know the ones like Libya that take our money in their left hand while burning our flag in the right and shouting death to the USA? OF COURSE that is where the “extra” money would go – or to finance Moochelle’s next vacation. Not one penny would go towards reducing the debt!

        • Gary in Oh

          Not a penny of your taxes go to paying down the debt the federal gov owes now>Why would we think it would CHANGE. The Federal Gov never pays on the principle just on the interest. They have no plan to pay down the debt. I say since its their debt let it take them down, they need replaced anyhow! If you agree Look at G.O.O.O.H. Get out of our house is a group of people sick and tired of the way things are going now and are trying to vote out all the house of representatives this 2012 vote and get some control back to We the People and show big business all of us can’t be bought.

          • http://WeThePeople Jean

            Since we no longer have Social Security – all past and present Politicians will have to forgo collecting their pensions. Let them exist on all of the corrupt graft that they accumulated during their vacations and partying while they were in office. Then have the FBI and or CIA arrest them for Tax Evasion. Then put them on work farms or ranches where they will have to more than feel like they are contributing something back to society.

          • independant thinker

            I am sure the money would go to reduce the debt. The problem is when it started going down those in Washington would say look the debt is decreasing so we can borrow even more money for new programs.

          • jibbs

            Sorry Gary, but I looked at GOOOH and even joined, but I see them as having almost zero traction.

          • Handyman

            put obozo in jail till he pays the debt he is responsible for, I did not vote for that!

      • TexasPatriot

        Why not have them work? Osamabama says we need to improve our infrastructure. There are roads, highways, bridges, etc everywhere. How about picking up trash on highways, streams, around public buildings and the like? Guess that would be cruel.

        • MSSouth

          Texas P, I agree with you. I have to work hard for my pay why shouldn’t they? We can take it one step further, allow the prisons to raise their own food. It would give the innmates physical activities and lower the cost of their keep. But yeah, we are not into making those people on the teat do anything to help themselves or their country.

          • JUKEBOX

            Years ago, Tucker Prison Farm in Arkansas was the only prison in the U.S. to operate at a profit. That is what we need today, instead of the criminal training facilities the liberals love so dearly.

        • DaveH

          They call that Slave Labor if we compel them to work for their Free money. The real Slaves of course are those whose taxes are being taken to pay for the welfare programs.

          • Handyman

            You got the idea, Dave. The golvernment spends our money! The strings are used to tie us up and give criminals free time to do their crimes!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And just like all those on the public dole, the government makes it easy for them to make a living off of what they take from us that work. And in the same way, there are many that get out of prison, and go right back in, and they will tell you that in the joint they get 3 square meals a day, air conditioning, a bed, and cable TV, and they dont get that on the outside. So why does the system allow for this? After all, ISNT IT PRISON? My oh my have we ever gotten off track.

      • karel Eekels

        One reasonable and effective way to stop all this nonsense, and to stop this class war fare, is to revamp the whole system and implement a flat 10% tax rate for all. “we the people” should stress and press for this now the country is in complete chaos and turmoil. Now is the time. The US Treasury will see more revenue coming into their direction as they have never seen before!

        • ValDM

          We’re WAY beyond the age of reason & reasonable solutions. Why would they engage in something that would be of benefit to most of US when they can just STEAL what they want. Stealing our money serves 2 purposes : they get the money anyway & they’ve done it illegally, which gives them a little thrill in their walnut-sized hearts.

          • Elevenarrows

            I think it is all about control…Until they have all of us completely dependent on them, they won’t have completel control. Their agenda is to bankrupt us on purpose so they can throw out the Constitution and welcome in our global community. I just “love” the fact that while my husband and I agonize over how we will pay our taxes this October (we are small business owners), these guys lie awake trying to figure out how to get us to “voluntarily” give them more even faster. I’ve never checked for myself, but I’ve been told before that social security is actually a “voluntary” program…and the income tax was to fund the war and would never exceed 3% of your income. I say, if they even hint at taking more money…voluntary or not…whoever supports such legislation FOR WHATEVER STUPID REASON they give…should be voted out and replaced with a citizen-statesman.

          • Christin


            ou are Right on!

            I think those who ever spent the (14 trillion plus $$$) money should have to pay it off… Porkgressive Congress and the Communist in Chief …(past and present).

          • Dan az

            So let me get this straight.If I had ten employees and they wanted to donate to the poor gubmnt one dollar each.I would have to hire some one to do the accounting for this one dollar each.which would most likely cost me 10 to fifteen dollars each for just so the people would feel that they are doing there part.So how is this helping me to keep my doors open?Call me stupid but some one needs to explain the logic to me,because I never did understand obomics 101.Now sense this is not tax deductible for the employee is it for me as cost of doing useless business?Maybe it’s just me but I think I just got reamed with out the kiss and the vaseline.I guess this is why they get the big bucks!!!!

        • Handyman

          No new or old taxes, no taxation without representation, they don’t represent us (we the people) Take their (our) money away from them!

        • FAITH


        • Glenda

          Karel Eejels, I am with you on a 10% tax. That would solve all our problems without any hassle.

      • guest on this planet

        HOW MUCH DID OBAMA AND HIS COHORTS SEND IN TO HELP PAY DOWN THE DEBT?lets start with taking all the politicians hard stolen cash .

        • USAF VET

          How about starting with BHO’s Nobel “Peace” prize. Then downsize the salaries the keep voting to raise without their employers permission. They are the only people I know of who can get a raise without asking for or deserving it. Wouldn’t it be nice if regular folks could go to their boss and say, I just gave myself a 10% raise and now you have to pay it.

      • dan a

        that truely seems to be the only group in the country that is not asked to contribute. them and the folks here illeagaly

      • oldtimeyman

        I have a brilliant idea. Why not make payroll deductions to pay down the federal debt, MANDATORY for Democrats and welfare recipients and voluntary for the rest of us? Also, REQUIRE that all federal employees (including Congress but excluding military personnel) give up 50% of their incomes and perks to the pay down the federal debt.

        • guest on this planet

          they would only give themselves another pay raise

          • Handyman

            Let us (we the people) vote for their pay rate and retirement every six months!

          • Christin


            Let those (Congress and Presidents past and present) who spent the money, pay off the debt…

            The congress, from this day forward, should only work part-time (maybe 4 – 6 months) a year and go back to their state to do their occupation the rest of the year…

            All the Congress does is pass more (bills)LAWS & REGULATIONS and spend more CASH when they are in session… SEND THEM HOME !
            We’d be a better off nation.

        • Glenda

          Oldtimeman, Let’s be honest and fair. The debt originated in the Bush administration and the Republicans should pay their fair share,too. When Clinton left office there was a surplus. It took no time at all for Bush to use that, plus trillions more. Due to the two wars Bush got us into, plus the economic crisis he’s more than responsible for due to lack of regulations and tax cuts and loop holes for the wealthy, President Obama has had to spend trillions to keep this Country from going under. The memory of the Republicans is very short.

      • granny mae


        Very good idea !

        • USAF VET

          That’s the way it used to be anyway. They were part time legislators and full time workers. They didn’t have 2 permanent homes, one is DC, and one in their home state. And they didn’t have salaries like they do now either, nor were they full time polititians, it was a sideline.

      • sue

        that sounds like a plan

      • Patriot

        You are right on. One more thing. If congress really wants to help cut down the national debt, I have a suggestion to them and to the Prez.

        Let Obama, Biden, the Senate and House all work for FREE for the next two years, donating their entire salaries to the Social Security fund.

      • bluejacket

        Perhaps we should also suspend Washington’s pay raises, and instead send those would be raises to pay down the debt, and also re-pay the Social Security funds they have stolen through the years. Wow, what a concept.

      • Glenda

        Beberoni, Most of these people are indigent and need every dollar they get to live on. They couldn’t pay one dollar. I, personally, know many such people.

    • Vagabond

      DaveH I donated to the democrats slush fund all of my life and even after I retired. I finaly quit when I turned 74. it was called income tax. and the democrats used it then and now to buy votes. hence your amnesty drives to get more democratic voters, wellfare. more democrat security for people coming here from other countries who have never paid one dime into the system. the damned SLIMEBALLS in washington just continue to throw away every dime they can rob from the working tax payers. and you can bet your sweetass they will continue doing it,

      • sol of texas

        Vagabond –

        That’s how the overthrow of the constitution was accomplished. Millions of citizens were so distracted by the various Santa Clauses’ offers of free gifts that they abandoned principles (if they ever had principles in the first place). That is sometimes referred to as “situational ethics”.

        You awoke at age 74. There are plenty of people on welfare and hard working Americans that are still asleep.

        It will take some serious cunning and courage to restore the constitution. The professional political class is entrenched and the population has been conditioned by the government school systems.

        In 1992 Perot tried to wake people up, but the media laughed at his charts and graphs. The previous leader famously said “No new taxes” and broke his promise. Our country went on to elect a fellow nicknamed “Slick Willie” who likewise famously said “I smoked marijuana but I never inhaled” (I don’t understand what that means!). How can people expect results other than those we are now confronted with?

        Brace yourself for the next 10 years. In absence of the establishment of a police state (an American “Stssi”), I am not expecting much “domestic tranquility”.

        • TIME


          One hell of a damm good post dude!

          • granny mae

            I agree !

        • DaveH

          You will understand what Willie meant when you learn what the meaning of is is.
          The fact that so many people absolve lying Presidents is a pretty good indication of just how far down the tubes we have gone. There should be no toleration of lying by Politicians. If they tell one blatant lie, they should be gone next election.
          I don’t know many other than Ron Paul who would survive those criteria. Ron is one of the few who won’t bend his morality to suit his purposes.

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, been dying to ask you what you think of the murdoch scandal? Lying, cheating, bribing, hacking, all done by that demi God you all love and believe in. Maybe we will be lucky and Fox news will take a dump. Is this the type of corporation that you want no regulations on? Hell, look what they have done, with regulations that prevent this type of crime. Yep, let’s deregulate everything and we will have more Murdoch criminals running the country.LOL. You had to have known that this man has no ethics didn’t you?

          • Angel Wannabe

            EWO, I haven’t found any of them that are scandalous free, point one out won’t you?!!!__I’m laughing my azz off too, and to borrow your words, like your “demiGod” Soros is any Better than Murdoch. At least Murdoch presents the right side instead of ALL left headed points of view. __ Ats pretty funny! You liberals can’t seem to see the Forrest for the trees, nothing your God in the White House has done so far has done any good( Now you liberal azzes are gonna try and take fat kids away fron they’re parents??? ROFLMAO!!!__ASSININE IDIOTS!____You sheep don’t get!!!!LOL, Reply if ya like, but ya won’t get an answer, I’m off to cut grass _ The lines in the sand are drawn, your on the wrong side chickie!!!!!LOL

          • DaveH

            First of all, Eyes, I don’t know what scandal you speak of. Maybe you could post a reference.
            Second of all, Freedom doesn’t guarantee honesty. I don’t know that any of us have ever said that. There will always be dishonest people, but let’s strive to not having them run our lives.

          • DaveH

            I do know that Murdoch has partaken of Government protection and largesse in the past, but rather than delve into who is getting what special favors from the Government, let’s just get the Government out of the Marketplace and let the consumers decide who survives and who fails.

          • Jana

            Ha, right now this bill is supposed to be voluntary but it will very quickly become mandatory if it is not stopped right now.

            If our brilliant President Obama and our brilliant Congressmen can’t figure out how to balance the budget then they need to get out of the way. There are a lot of us out here who can figure it out and we are just itching to help them!

          • eyeswideopen

            Angel, I don’t care for Soros. I think all money should be taken out of elections. States should fund all elections, thus avoiding the lobbyists ability to purchase the officials. Easy solve for a corrupt practice. Stop the money and take back the country!

    • wandamurline

      Why doesn’t the Congress, Senate, and White House pay down the debt out of their pocketbooks…they are the ones that spent the money, not the American people. I am 63 years old, and I sometimes do not recognize my country anymore…I am afraid that my 92 year old father fought in the jungles for 4 years and my husband fought in Viet Nam, Desert Storm and Iraq for absolutely nothing. Obama should be impeached, yet there is no one who will step up to the plate…he is viable on at least three counts…suing Arizona and failing to stop the invasion of America by Mexico…bombing Libya without congressional authority…and still bombing Libya after 60 days without congressional authority. What is it going to take? Is the congress going to let the man decide to nuke Israel without congressional authority? When is the military who takes their oathe to the Constitution sacred going to step up to the plate and do something as the cowards in congress will not? We are in a pickle and IF we get to vote in 2012, you had better vote like your life depended on it, because it does.

      • Leo

        You are exactly right. Our Freedom and lives depend on getting rid of this nutcase and all of his cronies!! I just hope we do not have some jerk running on a 3rd parth and splitting the vote and BHO wins again. It would be a disaster for this country!!!

        • Gary in Oh

          The 2 parties you are speaking of are only 1 now. The 3rd party will split the vote because they will be the only decent persons to vote for. If either party wanted things straightened out one of them would be doing it, but things just keep getting worse and they are blaming each other, and the ignorant people are sticking with the 2 party systems. If 1 or both parties say they want to fix the national debt how come we still have it? The current puppet is going to stay in power because a lot of voters will not vote for the right person for the job they will vote for the party they have always voted for just so the other party won’t win. If we vote for a party lets pick a party that isn;t bought and paid for like the 2 largest are!

        • DaveH

          You are the “jerk” if you think the Republicans are the answer to this country’s problems. The Republicans are responsible for the endless futile Drug Wars which have accomplished nothing but the taking of more lives, the enrichment of the evil Drug Lords, and the trampling of our Constitutional Freedoms. Add to that the futile attempts to impose our way of life on the rest of the world at great moral and financial costs. And since their inception they have been practicing the same Mercantilism that prompted our Founders to break away from British Rule.
          Neither the Democrat leaders, nor the Republican leaders abide by the moral codes of society — Thou shalt not Kill, Thou shalt not Steal.
          I know the followers mean well, but the reality is that they are aiding and abetting that immorality with their votes. We have gotten to this point in time because so many people have let sociopathic leaders lead us around by the nose.
          It’s time to break the mold. Vote Libertarian!

          • DaveH

            Both the Republican leaders and the Democrat leaders are taking advantage of the citizens to the betterment of themselves and their Crony Capitalists. The significant difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is that the Republican leaders are smart enough to only take the golden eggs instead of killing the goose.

          • independant thinker

            DaveH……..The Libertarian party will never amount to a thing until they build a grassroots base. Until they can and do provide viable candidates for most if not all local, county, and especially state offices they will only be a low decibil noise in a high decibil world. I am not saying they don’t have some good ideas just pointing out the realities of todays politics.

          • DaveH

            The base is building, Thinker. We can’t degauss all those propagandized minds overnight. But as long as so many people, who are otherwise inclined to Libertarianism, withhold their votes because they don’t think they’re “viable”, how do you expect the base to grow quickly?
            I would much rather waste my vote on Libertarians, than to vote for the lesser of two evils (which is still just evil).
            The Republican Leaders enjoy their power and perks just as much as do the Democrat Leaders, and they aren’t going to give them up willingly.
            I can honestly say “Don’t blame me, I voted Libertarian”.

          • Dan az

            If you vote rep.Then why not vote for the only republican that is for the constitution.Sure RP is a libertarian thats the point.If people would only vote for the lesser of two evils which has been going on for ever then your right we will split the vote so RP changed clothes and Ran the rep.ticket but still Know one is listening to his polices,which is the only thing that could turn this corruption around.If everyone would just research his 30 years they would see he has never deviated from what he stands for.The numbers today show that he is so far ahead of anyone proves the tide is changing.Its all about getting his polices on the air with out the interruptions that they love to do.Hey wouldn’t it be a laugh if we could just get One HR on a debate between him and obumer with out a teleprompter.UH UH UH UH I think UH UH UHits got to be UH UH UH constitutional because UH UH I’m A UH UH UH professor of UH UH UH that!!! :)

      • mark

        Yes, but the American people received most of the benefits of all this spending and in fact insist upon it. This is one of the huge hypocrisies of the American people – not the politicians – in this debate. When poll after poll asks the American people should the government institute significant cuts in the federal budget large majorities always say YES. But when the same American people are asked do they support significant cuts in SPECIFIC PROGRAMS – Social Security, Medicare, Defense, Homeland Security, Education, Veterans Benefits and Pensions, Transportation Infrastructure, Crime Prevention, the War on Drugs, Stopping Illegal Aliens, large majorities always say NO! in poll after poll. Are American politicians hypocrites YES without doubt but they represent a hypocritical American people. As humorist Will Rogers famously said in the 1930s when he returned from a visit to Washington: “Are the majority of Congressmen and politicians in Washington scalawags, tax cheats, liars, skirt chasers, spendthrifts, adulterers, and crooks?” Rogers answered: “Yes, and they represent a good cross section of the electorate.” Under a democracy you get the politicians you deserve. Americans talk out of both sides of their mouth on the budget, and NATURALLY so do the politicians who represent them and are elected by them. We have met the enemy and he is US!

        • DaveH

          Get it straight, Mark. SOME of the American people (mostly the leaders and their Crony Capitalists) received the benefits, the rest paid for them.
          As far as Social Security goes, if they would just pay me what they took from me in real dollars (i.e., adjusted for inflation) I would be quite content. Is that too much to ask, Mark?
          As far as your statement that “the same American” people say anything, you know you are blowing smoke up our. You have no idea from any polls how any one person feels about all of the mentioned subjects. So to call us hypocrites is just another Liberal fabrication.
          And to say the leaders are a reflection of the voters is equally nonsense, because most of the time the Leaders are not completely truthful about their intentions before being elected. How can the electorate be expected to choose morally when many (if not most) of the leaders are lying to them?

      • DaveH

        And now he’s hinting that he may stop Social Security payments if the Congress doesn’t raise the debt ceiling. And he’s pushed the EPA and the FCC to ignore the will of the people and implement rules that Congress couldn’t pass. Yes, he should definitely be impeached.

        • eyeswideopen

          DAVEh, I am so surprised that you, who has ample fiscal knowledge, does not understand what will happen if we don’t raise the debt ceiling. By the way, this HR2411 was sponsored by the famous Republican congressman, Rick Crawford, whose own personal financial status is in disrepair. Interesting that the author didn’t identify this as a repub idea. I know you probably know all the reasons why a default is not really a good thing, but just in case this article is for you to see the top five reasons why it is not.

          • DaveH

            Spare me, eyes. I know exactly what will happen if they raise the debt ceiling. They will spend more money that they don’t have and further entrench our children and grandchildren in a debt that they had absolutely no voice in.
            If the Creditors lose faith in us because we tear up the credit card, what do you think happens when we borrow even more against that credit card? If we can’t stop the spending now, how can we stop it later?
            Fortunately, people like you are in the minority now, so I don’t really care if you open those eyes or not:

          • DaveH
        • jibbs

          obummer is not a legal president, meaning he cannot be impeached. He needs to be removed and hanged for treason, thus making all he has done null & void.

          • Fred Rehders, Sr.

            Git a rope !

          • Dan az

            I say we line them all up on the potomac bridge and let them give there last words, just before we stretch their necks and let them hang there for all who want their job to think twice about what they are there to do!

    • Randy G

      Make sure that includes ALL wage earners including Senators, Representatives, & presidents.

    • Handyman

      Why not put obozo in jail where he belongs?

    • Warrior

      And here is the list of sponsors:

      The bill titled Reduce America’s Debt Now Act of 2011 was introduced by Rep Eric A. “Rick” Crawford of Arizona on July 6, 2011. Here is the list of the bill’s cosponsors:

      COSPONSORS(12), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort:by date)

      Rep Denham, Jeff [CA-19] – 7/6/2011
      Rep Dold, Robert J. [IL-10] – 7/6/2011
      Rep Fincher, Stephen Lee [TN-8] – 7/6/2011
      Rep Flores, Bill [TX-17] – 7/6/2011
      Rep Griffin, Tim [AR-2] – 7/6/2011
      Rep Guinta, Frank C. [NH-1] – 7/6/2011
      Rep Huizenga, Bill [MI-2] – 7/6/2011
      Rep Landry, Jeffrey M. [LA-3] – 7/6/2011
      Rep Noem, Kristi L. [SD] – 7/8/2011
      Rep Palazzo, Steven M. [MS-4] – 7/6/2011
      Rep Scott, Austin [GA-8] – 7/6/2011
      Rep Tiberi, Patrick J. [OH-12] – 7/6/2011 (Source)

      Now it seems to me that for all these “rich” people like gates and buffet and oblama to inform us that they should pay more taxes, I say go right ahead, who’s stopping you?

  • Anna Marie Eier

    I remember years ago when Frank Church was running for President against Jimmy Carter The National Debt was anissue. A minister friend said if every citizen of the United States would contribute $10 that would gp a long way to solve the problem.
    The Debt is much larger now and more people on welfare etc. But it is something that should be considered= if your name is on the census you owe the government $10 or something like that. Sincerely Marie Eier

    • HWB

      You just go right ahead and “donate” all you want! These crooks are taking a big enough chunk of my pay check and I personally will not give them a penny more. Real simple solution, STOP SPEND WHAT WE DON”T HAVE! Please lets all try and ingage the brain if it is still functioning.

      • mark

        You do realize that a large part of what these crooks take out of your pay and my paycheck everyweek pays for Social Security, Medicare, Defense, military paychecks, Homeland Security, Education, Veterans Benefits and Pensions, Transportation Infrastructure, Crime Prevention, the War on Drugs, police and fire, etc., etc. Not all of this is bad and much of it is very necessary. I am glad my government spends money in these areas.

        • joe

          …….Your all di**s………….

          Sell the stupid fu**ing country to the Chinese who are much more deserving of it, and let THEM come in and govern us and make us all their slaves………..that’s the only solution………..

        • joel

          And they shouldn’t be involved in about 70% of these endeavors. Just national defense and infastructure. Everything else should be left for the private sector! They can’t do anything efficiently, and just gives them more money to steal

        • jibbs

          mark says:
          July 14, 2011 at 9:45 am
          You do realize that a large part of what these crooks take out of your pay and my paycheck everyweek pays for Social Security, Medicare, Defense, military paychecks, Homeland Security, Education, Veterans Benefits and Pensions, Transportation Infrastructure, Crime Prevention, the War on Drugs, police and fire, etc., etc. Not all of this is bad and much of it is very necessary. I am glad my government spends money in these areas

          I see what education has done for you.
          I don’t need them to provide SS, Homeland security, war on drugs, crime prevention, police.
          Most Americans could invest their own money far better for the laters years on their own. For what the police do, most communitys would fare much better on their own. Homeland security just plain sucks as doe’s the TSA. As for the war on drugs, what a fuc*ing joke!

          You can be president of the SHEEPLE club.

        • DaveH

          All of those things, Mark, could have been done better in the private sector. And most of them are Unconstitutional for the Federal Government in the first place.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      When I look at my paycheck stub every week, I see Federal Tax withheld, Medicare, social security, state tax, local tax, health care premium, and the one of my choice, my 401K witholding. I think they get quite enough from me, thank you. And I think they get enough from the rich that people like to demonize, as they pay the lions share of taxes in this country. However there is always that group of the population, who doesnt pay taxes, and they collect off of our taxes. And the democratic politicians like to call the the “poor”. They are that way, over 90 percent of them, because they are too lazy to work, and feel why should they work when the government gives them a substantial handout to not work. Those are the ones that need to pay, not the working man. The working man pays enough, thank you very much.

      • Sha

        I agree the “poor” should work and pay taxes BUT even the educated ones can not find jobs! Unemployment rates are WHAT? Let’s over-tax the companies who send the workers jobs overseas until they bring the jobs back to the USA! I’m sure national debt reduction could be fully funded taxing the companies who have left our country jobless!

        • jibbs

          The free loaders can clean the trash from the highways, parks, ponds, rivers, streams, help work at county animal shelters, and much much more…………..WAKE UP!!

        • DaveH

          What? Tax our companies ever more? And then wonder why they leave the US? Companies don’t pay taxes, people do. Let’s just be honest about it and tax each adult the same. If everybody has equal skin in the game, you can bet that the citizens would vote for a lot less Government. Which is exactly why the Leaders and other Big Government lovers would fight such a thing with every ounce of energy they have.
          In fact the original Constitution specified that the Federal Government would be supported by each state paying taxes based on the population of each state. So, if for example, State A had half the population of State B, State A would pay half the taxes to the Federal Government that State B would:
          From The Constitution, Article I, Section 2:
          “Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.”
          Those limits were thwarted and altered by the persistent Hamiltonians over the following decades which alterations eventually led to the Civil War. And then in 1913 the Sixteenth Amendment took all pretenses of equal taxes away and created the Income Tax to the citizens’ detriment and the Federal Government’s benefit.
          Our Founders were well-grounded in experience and knowledge, but as the generations went on, as Jefferson predicted, Government gained ground and Freedom yielded.

      • TexasPatriot

        Could not agree more. Sadly I see a lot of these parasites in action daily – sometimes three generations in the same household.

      • mark

        The top 1% of earners today have 4 times the real net wealth when adjusted for inflation than they had in 1980 ($11 trillion in 1980 vs. $41 trillion in 2010). The top 1% of earners made 9% of the national income in 1980, today they make 24% or the national income. Meanwhile the bottom 80% of earners have either just about broken even or made tiny gains in net income and wealth over the last thirty years. THE RICH DO NOT PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. They pay a large percentage of the federal income tax in relation to their numbers but shelter and hide vast amounts of their income and wealth through loopholes, off shore accounts, and tax lawyer dodges. They stop paying taxes on Social Security and Medicare on any income above $106,000. Warren Buffet with an income of billions pays the same Social Security tax as a man who makes $106,000 a year. And most important of all, the rich avoid the HIGHEST TAX IN AMERICA, the one paid by the poor, the working class, and the lower-middle class of our nation everyday when they send their sons or daughters to die for their country in Iraq and Afghanistan. The rich send theirs to Stanford, Duke, and the Ivy League universities – and then reap profits off the war through their defense stocks and contracts. The rich reserve the privilege of dying for their country, the REAL DEATH TAX, to the poor, the working class, and the lower-middle class, the lower 40% of earners. You will NEVER find a single millionaire’s son or daughter wearing the uniform of the United States and serving in harm’s way. But go to the grass quadrangles of Yale, Harvard, Brown, and Princeton and you will find thousands of these young people with $00,000 a month credit card accounts. THEY OWN AMERICA NOT US! AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO FOR CENTURIES SINCE THEY HAVE JUST ABOUT EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY BAMBOOZLED, HOODWINKED, AND SUCKERED! They even have trailer park, and blue collar citizens of our nation waving signs and protesting any raising of taxes on the rich! Can you imagine a sweeter deal? They can even get the poor dopes who work everyday in coal mines and factories to protest in favor of the rich’s massive and ever growing wealth. You could almost laugh it wasn’t so perverse and cynical.

        • ValDM

          Are you paid to be a troll here???? If you want to tax the rich, start with Congress. There hasn’t been one of them that went to DC poor & didn’t get to be millionaires +. A far better thing to do is to refuse to pay Congress & have them “work” for free.

          Incidentally, if you’re not a troll, stop spewing such nonsense. The rich will always be rich, unless they become stupid. The also have their own personal Congressman bought & paid for so they don’t have to pay as many taxes. Grow up, & see how it REALLY is.

        • jibbs

          Sounds like your pissed off that you don’t make very much money, You should have stayed in school and educated yourself to get a better job, or start your own company. Those who pay no tax should help out and start paying something.

        • Nanette

          Right on, mark!!!! You said it perfectly. The nay-sayers in these other replies to you haven’t got a clue that you are exactly RIGHT!!!

          • Warrior

            If Mark had a clue he could possibly open up his mind to reality which is, there’s just no getting around crony capitalism with this bunch.

    • DanB

      Sorry, $10 won’t cut it anymore. You actually owe over $50,000. Think $10 will even make a dent in that, wouldn’t even pay the interest owed. And for those of us who have families, that means I owe $100s of thousands as I would be responsible for my wife and four kids portions of the debt as well. $10 absolutely won’t even touch the federal debt my family would be responsible for.

      • Gary in Oh

        Its the federal govts debt not yours and mine. They can quit writing checks when their account is empty just like I have too. Our representatives do not represent us, if they did there wouldn’t be rules on the books we didn’t want, debts we didn’t agree on,etc. Its time to clear house while we still have one. Look up G.O.O.O.H. Get Out Of Our House. There is a plan to organize We The People and take the House of Representatives back for the People and straighten the whole mess out this coming election, legally! If you have enough heart to help save this country you should participate.

        • sol of texas

          Gary –

          The federal institutions govern and create debt through the consent of the people. Unfortunately we have consented and have not revoked that power.

          It’s a problem with democracy — when majorities oppress minorities (especially large minorities like 49%).

          I take your point, though. Whenever I pledge allegiance these days, I am not sure to what and to whom I make a pledge.

          • Les

            We the people ended when this became a Democracy and stopped being a Republic. We have Mobocracy where our country is ruled by lynch mob mentality.

            “Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on dinner, a Republic is a well armed sheep contesting the vote.”

    • Flyovercindy

      Sure, it sound simple – everybody can afford $10, right? I’m sorry, getting Washington off the hook will only result in more of the same reckless spending. The point is, we the taxpayers, have sent them plenty of money to do the things the Federal government is responsible for doing. Our elected officials have been negligent and irresponsible with our tax money – we should NOT bail them out!

    • Vagabond

      anna marie I sure hope your minders are making sure you dont wander out in the traffic,

    • http://none Jeryl

      Listen, if the administration isn’t willing to tighten its belt, reduce the size of government, curtail spending and cut out unnecessary programs, I certainly am not willing to give one red cent to help them. It citizens donate to the national debt, they will just turn around and spend it. They’re patently dishonest.

    • Frank

      What planet are you from?! No rational being would go along with this thievery from the scumbags in the district of corruption. Get a grip on reality!

      • Texan

        District of corruption, Very well put!!!!

        • Carlucci

          Or as my dad used to say “the district of criminals”.

    • wandamurline

      It would not matter…every American could send them $25 and they would spend it on something else instead of applying it to the debt…that is why we are in a mess…they cannot stop spending…in the real world that would be called a shopaholic and you would get psychological counseling … your credit cards would be torn up, expenses and income tabulated, a budget fixed and you would be taught how to live within your means…something that government will not learn. The government is tooooooo big and it needs to be taken apart and then put back together with less to work with…there are literally hundreds of departments that do not need to be there plus a few that they have no constitutional authority to have in the first place. Before they ask anything else from Ameicans, they need to clean up their own mess…like realocating retirement, their health care, too many helpers…defunding the UN…too many czars…and I could go on. America needs to send a team of efficiency experts to Washington and we need to tell them what we need to cut from thei massive inventory of departments…any nonessential (like when the government almost shut down that were to be furloughed) departments need to be permanently nonessential and shut down. That would be a start.

      • Gary in Oh

        I agree let them do a lot of cleaning up their own mess and maybe they will quit making so much. Besides they are salary positions, so let them work like the salary People out here get worked and they won’t have any fight left in them.

    • TML

      This bill, while not yet passed, is very dangerous to American citizens. The danger is in the thought that this is voluntary. It makes it seem harmless, and that all we would see on our end is a little checkbox on a W-4. It may start as voluntary, just like the income tax, which uses the same form they wish to put that little checkbox on. I’m glad there are some whistle blowers on this, but we need to contact our congressmen and women to vote down this bill. Don’t give them an inch, or they will eventually take everything.

    • jibbs

      You go ahead any make a $10.oo payment for me, I already gave(taxes) It’s not my fault that they are foolish when they spend our money. What a dumb idea!!

    • USAF VET

      They are already taxing money that has already been taxed. They are taking income tax out of my Social Security along with charging me $69.00 per month for Medicare which they also deduct from my Social Security. That adds up to $828 per year for medical insurance and I still have to have a medigap policy to cover what Medicare refuses to pay. If they had left Social Security alone and not put that money into the General Fund Social Security would not be in the shape it is in now. Also giving it away to people who have never put into the system is another thing that has depleted what money was in there before they started legally stealing it and replacing it with IOU’s.

  • ron

    This was a republican sponsored bill that took on joke stadus. The sponsors are (were) 12 idiots and as expected it has not been let known that they are republicans.

    Rep Denham, Jeff [CA-19] – 7/6/2011
    Rep Dold, Robert J. [IL-10] – 7/6/2011
    Rep Fincher, Stephen Lee [TN-8] – 7/6/2011
    Rep Flores, Bill [TX-17] – 7/6/2011
    Rep Griffin, Tim [AR-2] – 7/6/2011
    Rep Guinta, Frank C. [NH-1] – 7/6/2011
    Rep Huizenga, Bill [MI-2] – 7/6/2011
    Rep Landry, Jeffrey M. [LA-3] – 7/6/2011
    Rep Noem, Kristi L. [SD] – 7/8/2011
    Rep Palazzo, Steven M. [MS-4] – 7/6/2011
    Rep Scott, Austin [GA-8] – 7/6/2011
    Rep Tiberi, Patrick J. [OH-12] – 7/6/2011

    It surprises me this was not mentioned by Mr.Black the former Intell officer.

    • Norm9do

      Regarding these 12 sponsers for this bill, “it is far better to let people think you are stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      It did seem to say it was voluntary. Thats how you can tell it wasnt a democratically sponsored bill. They would have sought to make it a law that they just take the money from the working people, then they would have figure out a way to funnel it to the UAW, the bums that dont work, the illegal aliens, and the rest of their voter base. Yep. Thats the way they would have worked it. Although I agree this is laughable, at least they just floated an idea to try to help, as rediculous as it is, they didnt insist on raising taxes to get more like their opponents do. Im just saying…………

      • DanB

        Social security was optional at its inception. What happened between then and now? So I look at this bill with disgust. Anyone with half a brain would realize two things. One, it is already possible to give your money to government so this is unnecessary. Two, anything voluntary now can be made mandatory in the near future.

        • Carlucci

          This is how the income tax withholding got started back in the thirties or forties when FDR was prez. That was only supposed to be temporary to help finance WWII. Well, we all know what “temporary” means to the feds.

          If this new nonsense is really “voluntary” (and I have my doubts), why not just do something simple that makes common sense, like put a website up and Fedzilla can ask for donations from dummies who are stupid enough to donate.

          What I can’t understand is how to pay a “debt” off with phantom fiat currency that has little to no value. Wasn’t there an article by Bob Livingston on this site a few months ago that talked about phantom debt that can never be repaid with fiat currency?

          • jibbs

            Well said. How’s the Berkey? We just odered a potable water storage tank(just in case) should have it next week.

          • Carlucci

            Jibbs – The Berkey is great! So glad I got it.

            What else are you ordering, and where can I get one?

        • JC in CA

          DanB and Mr. Black, there is nothting more permanent and everlasting than a ‘temporary gov’t program’….enjoy.

          Well Regulated in CA

      • Dusterdog

        Beberoni READ the dammed IRS manual It says it is volentary as well IS IT?

        • Les

          Ya, you can volunteer to pay taxes or volunteer to go to jail. Those are your only options. I watched a video With Reed telling the reporter that they are voluntary. I guess that was how voluntary the draft was during Vietnam.

        • patrick H.T. paine

          “To conquer, first divide!”

          It is really sad that the TRUTH needs to be repeated again and again.

          Filing a w-4 with your employer is VOLUNTARY and always has been and
          continues to BE. ( continued ignorance by employers and employees is
          no excuse. )

          26 USC 3402 is the statute regarding with holding, and it is long,
          intimidating and essentially total B.S., since what is REQUIRED
          by LAW, is contained in the “implimenting regulation”.

          That is 26 CFR 31.3402 (p) which is titled Voluntary Withholding Agreements and begins: An employer and employee may enter into an agreement to withhold.

          Mandatory language would use the word “shall”, although even THIS is
          subject to question because of a Supreme Court Decision which I will
          paraphrase……when the word shall is used and the implications are
          that a question of constitutionality exists: shall means MAY! I kid you not. ( ignorance of

          the LAW is no excuse and can be PAINFUL for those who fail to act.) I personally find it completely amazing that
          for all the pundits, tea partier’s and pretender’s to “constitutional
          understanding” including the Rand boys….haven’t mentioned this.

          This regulation can be found at the Cornell Law Library website by going to 26 USC 3402 and clicking on the reg link on the left. It is
          four paragraphs long ( half page ).

          Print it out, compose a letter to your employer “cancelling” your
          Voluntary With Holding Agreement ( covered in the reg’s last paragraph) and submit it to your employer.

          In this same letter, explain to your employer that in order for them to act in a manner required by the LAW, they will need to contact the
          SSA directly, which is located at the Philadelphia Branch of the IRS,
          where they will receive proper instructions on how to proceed and that
          they may continue to with hold, until they receive an answer, although the effective date of the cancellation is still in force.
          These instructions will come in writing…….directly from the SSA.

          All monies withheld from the effective date of cancellation will be
          returned to you, and no futher deductions will be taken from your pay
          unless you are part of a pension or health plan.

          Any W-2 you receive will only include your wages covered by the agreement….and in any

          subsequent years, you will not receive a W-2 earnings statement, nor will you receive any tax forms from any
          government entity….because the taxing entities, IRS, State/local
          no longer have “jurisdiction” over you.

          BTW SS benefits are based on your 40 highest quarters and if you have already met this criteria, you will be able to file for benefits at
          the age appropriate time.

          Applied knowledge is POWER. Act or don’t, continue to suffer or fight back……..all the self indulgent whining here can not compare with actually winning. Good luck.

          “Do not ask for whom the bell tolls………”

    • C130 Gunship

      ron…..Thanks for this information. I was digging into who backed this POS bill when I read your comment. This really further enforces the argument that there is very little difference which party of ass clowns we elect to office. (Politicians), 536 commoditised temple monkeys pawing through the ruins of America in search of bribes. (The District of Corruption) works like a vending machine. You put coins in the slot, select your law, and the desired legislation slides out. In the end , the economics will overwhelm the politics. I see no hope that any adult will make any adult decision before the ‘reset’ is upon us. When the money runs out the bull$hit stops. The only solution I’m in favor of is term limits, 2 terms, one in office, and one in prison.

    • angela

      I am surprised that Mr Black did not realize that this was for all of the dems who say “I MAKE MORE MONEY THAN I NEED” and all the people that want to help the dead beats.
      Now they all can give until their hearts is content.
      Just leave my money alone and I will help who I want to help and the ones that are not just lazy and looking for a hand out.

  • Stan Smith

    Too bad! The Politicians should be required to be drug tested! They must be high if they want me to contribute my hard earned money for their F-ups! D & R’s too stoned! and the Goomerment wants to raise and add new taxes for their F-ups?? Sorry raising & adding new taxes will not work! It will be business as usual spend more and waste more!

  • JimH

    The tax that Bush senior signed it to law, that haunted him when he tried to get re-elected(read my lips), was supposed to be used to lower the national debt.
    See how far that got.
    Like DaveH said, once they get hold of it who really knows where it will go?

  • Dusterdog

    Yes and we can expect it to be volentary like the so called income tax is supposed to be.HA HA.
    Get the 20 million illegal aliens out of our country that are takeing our jobs put tax paying Americans in those jobs .Then cancell Nafta & Cafta that Newt Gengrich & Bill Clinton created there by bringing our jobs home then crises solved.Whats so hard about figuering this out DUAH

    • DaveH

      I don’t condone illegal entry into this country, but neither the illegals or NAFTA (which isn’t really Free Trade, by the way) are causing our major problems. Our Government is sucking the life out of our economy. They spend 40% of our Gross Domestic Product. And then they use a lot of that money to strangle our economy with regulations, most of which favor Big Businesses over their smaller competitors. And then there are the direct subsidies to their favored Crony Capitalists, and the indirect subsidies to their favored Crony Capitalists.
      If we got our Government out of the Marketplace, and out of our personal choices, and out of other countries’ political choices, our economy would boom.

      • Warrior

        Isn’t the concept of patronage just great. The dems have taken it to such extraordinary levels.

  • Dr.Gary J MacDiarmid Sr

    LOL take it from all the elected people

  • Jim


    • skippy

      Right on JIM!!!

    • Vagabond

      AMEN JIM,

    • Robert A Hirschmann

      And the White House all got raises!!!!

  • Jeff in OH

    Let me guess… There all Democraps, Right!! They are to stupid to realize that anyone can pay higher taxes if they want to right now to the government, yes even without legislation (for the drones). That’s like creating legislation that says you can give to your church that you’ve been giving to all these years if you want to. DUH!!! or should I use the O’s favorite Uh, Uh, Uh. Has the world gone nuts? maybe the Russians are flying over the capital fogging it with Stupid fog that makes Peelosies out of regular people…..

    • Vagabond

      Jeff if that is the case. they must have been fogging them with STUPID dust for years,

  • hipshotpercusion

    The best answer is, Rope and Trees and Tar and Feathers!

    • Gary in Oh

      And I thought TREASON had just ropes and trees! silly me. Or have we gone soft on that punishment also. If I got caught impersonating the President I would be HUNG. O has been for more than 2 years now and is still reading his masters speeches from the teleprompters. THE UNITED STATES is a corporation, and that is who O is the C.E.O.of. The united States of America is our great country we are so proud to live on/in. These are 2 completely different things and they have made us think they are one in the same. O’s title should be C.E.O. not president, but that change would probably make more of us open our eyes, so they use the word that keeps with the illusion most believe. Its time to pop yer head out and see the truth.

    • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

      hips, it only takes 600 sharp shooters!

  • Susan

    After paying my income tax I would consider making a donation to the National Debt but I don’t trust the politicians in charge of the donations to put it in the account to pay off the DEBT. They give millions of dollars to countries that hate our guts so how about we remove that aid and pay it towards the DEBT first. Any company that decides to locate out of the U.S. needs to be taxed at a higher rate to have their imported products brought back in here to sell to the U.S.consumer. There are so many EASY solutions to paying the DEBT down that this piece of extortion written up at least has Americans realizing that the SPENDING MUST STOP FIRST! We can’t continue to spend more than the GDP.

  • tim

    Make sure you send that money in so the obama’s can take more vacations and throw more parties at the white house. You can bet federal employees are exempt from this. Just like thier exempt from hard times like the rest of us. They still got thier raises and benefit hikes the last 3-4 years! No wage freezes theree, just more bonuses also!

  • Rooster

    The sheeple who think socialism will save us all are the ones that keep this insanity rolling along. I think the framers had the right idea: the only ones who vote are those who own land or a business. I would add those who are gainfully employed in the public sector (not government jobs). That removes those who have no acountability.

    But seriously, it’s a mathematical certainty that if the government took 100% of the wages of all wage earners, it would not be enough to make up for the obscene spending/debt accumulated by this assministration. 100% of your paycheck sent to the feds would not pay the interest on the debt. (So, go ahead and tax the rich at 100%. Unemployment will be 50% instead of 16.2% and we’ll still be in the same mess, only much worse.)

    Yet, almost half of America (most of whom are on welfare) thinks this a-hole and his Socialist Democrats (and a gaggle of RINOs) are doing a good job!

    • Push comes to shove

      You are correct on voting, but I think you should only be able to vote if you have a dog in the fight (Pay taxes), meaning if your effective tax rate is less than 5% of your income you should not get to vote because most likely you either take government cheese or want laws to give you more government cheese and that would be 50% of the population.

      I heard the stories here in Dallas where a single mother needs to have at least four, perferably five, children so the government assistance she recieves will allow her to live in a house and have a cadillac (or some nice car).

      THis is the kind of stuff social programs generate, the lazy who want something for nothing.

      • Robert A Hirschmann

        Hey! What about us retired folks living (?) on social insecurity? We paid our taxes all our lives and now that we are eking out a living on social insecurity we don’t make enough to pay taxes. Are we to be banned from voting now?

        • DaveH

          We could grandfather in the old farts (of which I am one).

        • Rooster

          If you are getting social insecurity, I’m betting you were probably gainfully employed, yes? You would be at the front of the line to vote. (I say “probably” because Dimmer-craps want to give social security to illegals who never paid into the system.)

  • Big Daddy

    If I had an employee dumb enough to want to do this I would suggest that he leave. In fact I think I wold offer him a bonus to not do this thus avoiding the paperwork for me.
    They have finally gone over the edge. This is just another example of the stupidity of the so called leaders of this nation.
    Please resign, all of you.

    • Dusterdog

      Big Daddy the best thing you can do for America is if you employ people go through the parking lot see who has Obamie stickers on their car and those you find a reason to fire

  • skippy

    How about Mr. Oblabber keep his and family’s ass at HOME and quit spending the taxpayer money to TRIP AROUND ALL OVER HELL’S HALF ACRE? HUH???!!! And how about all the ‘servants of the PEOPLE’ take a 50% pay CUT??!! Servants my ass…we are the slaves now guys…..

    • Al Sieber

      It kinda looks that way, skippy, for now.

  • Lewis/Virginia

    The MORE They (they being the Government)GET,The more they want!The more they get the more they spend,THE MORE THEY SPEND and this is the kicker,THE MORE POWER THEY HAVE OVER WE the PEOPLE!

    • Dusterdog

      Lewis in Virginia You had better ponder on that I live free for awhile.I think if you would do that maby you would reconsider that statement.As long as we keep electing Democrats & Republicans we will never be FREE

  • Matt

    Both parties have been playing a game of “hot potato”(head-games)with the voter and non voters of this country. You would have thought that everyone would caught on to this by now given that our present president ran on “change” only to continue our downward spiral.
    Neither one of these parties(Democrat or Republican)give a dam what is good for the long term survival of this country. Do you think if they did that we would be in this mess?
    By the way the voters and non-voters of this country are equally to blame for this mess by reelecting the same political hacks back into office be it Republican or Democrat.

    • Dusterdog

      Matt I only wish every other American was as smart as you.You brother tell it exactly as it is.God Bless

    • Al Sieber

      I agree Matt it makes no difference which party is in, it’s all a distraction so they can pick our pockets, then our bones. I wonder how much longer we’re gonna take this crap and let them keep pushing us around.

      • Dusterdog

        Al it will all stop when people’s back bone is meeting their belly button and they can no longer watch their sports & porno for lack of money to buy them.

        • Al Sieber

          Right dog, couldn’t have said it better. or when there’s no food.





    It is about time that you did your jobs which you were originally sent to Washington to do.

    Between 60% and 75% + of UNITED STATES CITIZENS want to see BIG CHANGE in Washington!!!!!!!!!!

    All of you SENATORS AND MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE took an oath of office to uphold the constitution of the United States when you took office…..what happened to that promise???????????????



    IT IS TIME….for Washington to give up; the EGOS AND THE SPECIAL INTERESTS


    IT IS TIME ….To send all illegal aliens back home and stop the free ride; NO FREE EDUCATION; NO MEDICAL; N0 FOOD STAMPS; AND anything else anyone dreams up who is not a legal citizen of the UNITED STATES.

    IT IS TIME…..To cut Washington’s pay!!!!!!

    IT IS TIME…. For Washington to start cutting the PORK and special interest projects


    IT IS TIME….for Washington to start cutting the perks and benefits and start contributing to Medicare and social security

    IT IS TIME ….for TERM LIMITS in Washington….one six year term …then go back where you came from WITH NO LIFETIME HEALTH CARE AND NO LIFETIME RETIREMENT. Working for the federal government should be a privilege NOT AN ENTITLEMENT

    IT IS TIME…for Washington to vote for E-VERIFY

    IT IS TIME….for Washington to STOP pandering to illegal aliens….SEND THEM HOME NOW AND CLOSE THE BORDER!!!!!!

    SINCE nothing is “OFF LIMITS” IN Washington ….why are the salaries of congress and the WHITE HOUSE not cut?????

    When are we going to stop paying farmers NOT TO GROW FOOD especially when corn is now being used as an alternative fuel which could lead to a food shortage??????????????

    If Washington collected over 2 trillion dollars of tax revenue in 2010.….why do we still have budget problems??????????????? Could it be; you are spending TOO MUCH MONEY??

    Why is the average net worth of congress @ 30 MILLION PLUS; if this is true lets start with congress salaries!!!!!!!!!!!


    • Lewis/Virginia

      RIGHT ON my Friend! RIGHT ON!

    • NJNurse

      You are so right and all this is common sense but DC has none of this. The only way to stop all you wrote is to vote all of them out and start over. Not to easy because as you said, the more money they get the more power they get and they are getting way to much money.

    • Gary in Oh

      The GOOOH Group want to take back the house this election,Get Out Of Our House is about putting working class People back into the government so it can be made fair again. Please if you give a rats ass about our country look into this group, they are People like you and I who are trying to fix the problems this country has. HERE IS YOUR CHANCE TO BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION.

    • mark

      Everything you listed would only cut a tiny percentage of our budget deficit. Welfare for the poor is about 2% of the budget and foreign aid is only 1% of the budget. The real big money is in Social Security, Medicare, and Defense. In addition to cuts in all three of these we are going to have to raise taxes on our wealthiest citizens, not this year or next year but in 2113 when the economy is stronger. There is really no other way to make significant cuts. But you don’t mention any of this in your very emotional, over the top comments.

      • ValDM

        That’s because you don’t have it right either. The biggest expenditure the feds make is in wages for 2.1 million fed “workers”. You don’t seem to mention, or probably ever considered, that the alphabet soup agencies need to GO. You sound like a young child that wants to throw grandma under the bus, even after she paid MORE in to SS than she will EVER receive. One thing you do have right, though, is that military spending is too much. We need to shut down ALL foreign bases, stop ALL wars & bring our troops home to guard our borders. And if you were 1/2 as smart as you think you are you would start doing a bit of research about ‘real’ gov’t. spending, instead of repeating what your handlers are whispering in your ear.

        • OB1

          That is a fact. Beside salaries, there is also the dollar figure of each federal department to add in as well. I suppose he doesn’t look up publicly disclosed actual numbers on the internet. Let’s add to that figure federal pension and insurance costs. While were doing this, you might like to look at these same figures for your own state and local governments as well. Perhaps we could look at the numbers of what the multitude a government empsed regulations have been put upon individuals and businesses, including small and large corporations, and we might have a better idea of where to cut, reduce, cap or completely eliminate waste. Social security was paid for by the individuals who put it in with no choice in the matter. Not paying it would be embezzlement. Reducing excess and unnecessary waste is our responsibility. All of us are going to have to get more involved in the local level. And PLEASE check your assemblyman’s voting record before you vote! And as a side note, the MSM does NOT cover all the news; sometimes they keep running “distractions” to keep you from finding out on your own what the heck is going on! Look at the Casey Anthony trial! They are all guilty of this! Frightened horrified people feels helpless and are easier to control, i.e., the throwing grandma in a wheelchair of a cliff by the demos! There’s money for Social Security and Disability payments for months to come if the governments defaults. If you haven’t figured it out yet, they lie. The tea Party Movement was essential started by Ron Paul. He has the most consistent voting record in congress. Google it! My prediction is that more democrats, independents, and Republicans will continue to support the Tea Party. More big businesses are getting involved as well because we all see a threat to the Constitution and our American way of life. Look for yourself and see how many democrats are opposed to raising the debt ceiling. Even they see the writing on the wall and know they run the risk of not being re-elected. You will see more democrats and republicans register as Independents. Tell your friends to re-register too! Blow all their minds guessing what ideology you adhere to. Then hold both parties representatives to the fire! That way, you can have your God given rights, plus those guaranteed to you by the Declaration of Independance, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution of the United
          States of America. This will work because if you live in area that for generations has been controlled by non-constutional Democrats or Republicans who have stayed in power for too long by back room deals and doing big business favors for lobyists, you can really complain, tell others and expose them because they won’t know what “Party” you vote for or are registered to! Support local grass root efforts to expose them! Same for any local, state or federal corruption. Look at the pressure the Tea Party new house members have put on politics as usual in just 7 months! The old guard in the GOP are scared to death. Business as usual is over and both Republicans and Democrats KNOW this. That is why Obama and his administration are doing unconstitutional and illegal things; they’re scared. That is why old guard Republicans are having to modify and comply with the new members of Tea Party supported House and Senate members. Even Sarah Palin supported a Democratic candidate and so did Tea Party support groups. Hold both parties’ feet to the fire. Check their voting record. Register as an Independent until you run for an office. Work inside both parties until WE represent the People! Of course, both parties will become very different from what they are today, but would that be a positive or a negative for this great country?!

  • bob wire

    Considering the IRS is standing me on my ear at the moment as I struggle to hold my little empire together and the wheels on my wagon , such great “news” is received poorly by me this morning.

    Maybe I’ll feel better about it when I get these dogs off of my back.

    Pointed quote from Aynn Rand, she had a knack for pointing out the absurd being accepted with common complacency.

  • Mari

    Hey folks – a little reality check here – this bill does have some merit – it’s not a bad idea except it should not be another task burden of the employer – simply have a place on our income tax return where the taxpayer can opt in – like what is currently done for political parties. This is a voluntary option – we have the choice to put whatever amount we want or not at all.

    As for the debt crisis – since our government is BY the people – it’s OUR government – OUR mess. Granted, the people WE ELECTED are not doing OUR bidding – let’s fire them. We need to get rid of the mind set that this is a problem that we leave to the government to solve – WE are the government – WE all need to solve it. WE have made bad decisions with who WE put in office – they are not doing what WE WANT – our power is in voting – Obamacare is a prime example – the MAJORITY of us did not want this bill – WE told our representatives NOT to vote for it, but they did it anyway – they disobeyed us – fire them.

    If in our own families – little Johnnie breaks the neighbor’s window -we warned him not to do it, but he disobeyed. We punish little Johnny, but the family suffers, because the $100.00 has to come from somewhere – so we have to cut something in our budget to cover that expense. OUR government is the same thing. WE put these people in office – the only way to repair the damage and begin to set things right is to fire the ones NOT doing our bidding. This is OUR debt a result of OUR decisions – therefore we all should do what we can to repay – so WE have a place on our tax return that gives us the option to pay or not to pay and additional amount of OUR CHOICE to help repay this dept.

    WE the people need to remember what JFK said – Ask not what YOUR country can do for you, but what YOU can do for your country – this is OUR country – we can vote – we can fire those not doing our bidding and like it or not – this is OUR debt. We need to use OUR power – vote for those who will do what we want them to do – if they don’t – vote them out. Remind them who they work for.

    • Bob Peters

      I agree totally with what has been said by you and many others on this web site. I truly think that we should just get rid of the Democrats and Republicians and get people in there that Love this country and wnat it back to what it was twenty years ago or when we were still a strong nation. Start with the taking oy money aka taxes from B.H.O and all his cohorts down and then the people who are living off the working class’ and cut back on the money to CEO’s and the other countries that hate us. I Love this Country but Hate the Government.

    • http://Cox/centralKansas Wayne H.

      Mari, I’ve said this before on some other site like this in response to an article along the same lines. In the reader feedback section a person asked almost the same question you have.

      It’s pretty darn hard to vote for somebody that has a back bone or the guts to stand up and do what’s right when all that are running for office are a bunch of panty waist butt kissers that don’t want to rock the boat.

      • Gary in Oh

        Run your self if you don’t like the other guy. GOOOH is the way for us to organize and take the house back. That would be most of the politicians replaced in one visit to the voting booth. Get real People in the offices all at once and the B.S. in this country will stop.

    • mark

      Yes, but the American people received most of the benefits of all this spending and in fact insist upon it. This is one of the huge hypocrisies of the American people – not the politicians – in this debate. When poll after poll asks the American people should the government institute significant cuts in the federal budget large majorities always say YES. But when the same American people are asked do they support significant cuts in SPECIFIC PROGRAMS – Social Security, Medicare, Defense, Homeland Security, Education, Veterans Pensions and Benefits, Transportation Infrastructure, Crime Prevention, the War on Drugs, Stopping Illegal Aliens, large majorities always say NO! in poll after poll. Are American politicians hypocrites YES without doubt but they represent a hypocritical American people. As humorist Will Rogers famously said in the 1930s when he returned from a visit to Washington: “Are the majority of Congressmen and politicians in Washington scalawags, tax cheats, liars, skirt chasers, spendthrifts, adulterers, and crooks?” Rogers answered: “Yes, and they represent a good cross section of the electorate.” Under a democracy you get the politicians you deserve. Americans talk out of both sides of their mouth on the budget, and NATURALLY so do the politicians who represent them and are elected by them. We have met the enemy and he is US!

  • woodpecker

    The GOP is beholden to the Wealthy/Corporate/Wall Street types; their policies screwed the little people, and now they clearly wanted to finish you all off. Little Republicans, you had been taken to the cleaners and you’ve been supporting them who really wanted to finish you dupes off. I say, Wise Up and Go After Them!

    • NJNurse

      And woodpecter, the dems are socialists and beholding to the unions and welfare and giving our hard earned money away to every stupid lobbist and country they can find. You see, calling people names doesn’t really work does it? You are sounding like a liberal, cut it out. Time to vote out all of them and start again.

      • woodpecker

        I’m neither a liberal nor conservative; I’m an independent and not beholden to anyone.

    • OB1

      Woodpecker, you are mistaken. Cinton Repealed Glass Stegal and the regulation of banks. Big Corporations and Wall Streeet supported Obama. Goldman Sachs, GE (CEO Immelt is working for Obama in the White House!), George Soros, Hollywood Mega Millionaires, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, need I go on? It’s a matter of public record you silly person! Republicans are owned by big corporations? Really? Sould I also add every major union in the U.S., as well as the entire MSM media empires in this country? Hearst, McClatchy, Guinette, CBS, NBC, Time-Warner…
      Please learn to read before you make ignorant comments that cannot be supported by publicly available records. Please remember this next time you try to use class warfare against We The People. We know who supports both parties, we read many news sources and public records AND WE VOTE! Signed,another Independent.

      • woodpecker

        I don’t condone Clinton for the deregulation at all; in fact he’s the democrat who really let that Wall Street fox, Robert Rubin, to undo that important financial law. This is an example that certain democrats adopting the destructive GOP policies.

      • woodpecker

        look….Obama will be judged on the next election! You sounded as though wholeheartedly supported Obama, shame on you! If anything he’s been following the last Bush Jr.’s policies. The point is what have stated is correct pertaining to the republicans who sponsored this bill. You seem a little light in the head; read my statement one or more times, it might just enlighten you.

        • bob wire

          Since most of you live and breath Fox News and been convinced to see the current administration in the most unflattering light while Fox News owner and Chief Cook and Bottle Washer is currently facing charges of the most unflattering of crimes, almost Goolish in nature, the exploitation of 9-11 victims, violation of privacy,traffic in extorted information. Your opinions, I happy to say are your own. After some 10 years of trafficking in misinformation, gains of truth in bucket of manure. I feel you are about to miss a few meals.

          • woodpecker

            I don’t watch Fox news, and I don’t just believe what people said automatically. Obama had great opportunities to do the right things from the get-go, if he just followed his campaign promises. There should have been investigations on the Bush Jr. Admin(War Crimanality and many others) and Wall Street/Finacial sector, but he did nothing of the sort; plus he truly continued many of the Bush Jr’s policies(continuing wars and bailing out and covering up of the criminal Wall Street banksters and their associates). This is certainly my opinion based on the facts/reasons mentioned. Actually, I thought Obama would bring really change and clean things up after all those clueless, sordid, and criminal 8 years of Bush Jr and his gang — But it did not turn out to be! And now I tend to think Obama is a weak knuclehead!

    • Dusterdog

      Woodpeckerhead.You are stupid man.Obami didnt give you any of that money he stolw from the working man he gave it all to the big unions,bankers & wall street.What you don’t get is they both are for the big guy.

  • Frank Leake

    This can’t be a serious proposal, they’re playing with us, showing us their sense of humor – I hope. There isn’t enough cash-money in the universe to satisfy the ravenous Congressional appetite for mazuma. After all, they have to buy the votes they need to win their next election and remain in office as your representatives. They’ve proven themselves SO worthy of that job – ho, ho, ho. I really wonder if there are enough lunatics out there that believe them when they say that the funds would be used to pay down the debt? Lies, lies and more lies – this from Washington, DC named after George Washington who never told a lie. The place is a disgrace to his name; it should be renamed “Pinocchio City.”

    • Gary in Oh

      Just so you know D.C. is foreign to the U.S.A. and americans should have to have a passport to enter or exit there. The rules they make inside D.C. are only for people that are under U.S. control. We The People are not supposed to be under their control, they are foreign to this country, We are not, unless you check the box on the paperwork you fill out from them(IRS forms, Social Security,drivers licence,passport, etc. See you ASSUMED you were a U.S. citizen and therefore volunteered to be under their control and accept what ever they rule they make outside their grasp ( which used to be just D.C. and federal lands).

      • jibbs

        Stop spewing bs!

  • varmit

    This isn’t any worse than Obama wanting to tax everyone for the people on welfare. He can’t allow any spending cuts to his social programs in a campaign cycle. How would he get the poor and illegals to vote for him?

    • OB1

      Non citizens should NOT be allowed to vote period. In any state as well.
      The reason they are not being deported is because some are paying taxes.
      Are non-citizens of Mexico living in Mexico allowed to vote? I will have to look that up because I do not know. Used to be a US citizen could not permanently own land or real estate in Mexico. Is that still true? Lots of real estate is owned by non-US citizens in the US. Actually, most of the home sales in Northern Washington and British Columbia is being bought by Chinese. Harry Reid arranged a large solar generating plant for the Chinese in Nevada (before the results of the election, of course…. Does anyone know the answer to this or I will look it up. Should a foreign national who owns real estate or pays taxes be allowed to vote? Are US citizens under the same guide lines allowed to vote in foreign countries?

  • Carla e

    Well WELL For all who voted this president, I hope you understand he doent care about the AMERICAN PEOPLE> He is something who says sign it read it later. Michele get on the plane lets go travel. Our troops are fighting for us, he cant bring them all home all troops. We need to let them take care of there own. We need aleader, We need jobs, we also need to fire everyone in office. We need honest peoplein congress I still believe there is good people. Teachers wake up dont vote him back in this president has set us all back ten years in pay. Obamacare will not work. People should beable to pick there health care. What I dont understand why we didnt get this President out. Well we all need to fly are FLAGS,,,,, also say go by MR. PRESIDENT. THANKS FOR PUTTING US IN THIS MESSSSSSSSSS.

    • Gary in Oh

      Speaking of flags, the ones with the gold fringe are not our flag. They are executive military flags that are flown to show everyone in the room that the military rules are in effect in this room. If you don’t believe me look it up your lazy self. And if you cant find it in the U.S.Army regulations you haven’t found the right answer. I am sure if you look on this liars box you can find that dog poo is good on your salad. You might also notice when you go to court the gold fringe flag is flown there, no wonder we can’t win in that room. We don’t even know the rules of the game in that room. THE ILLUSION SHAVE TO STOP. The previous presidents have held their speeches in front of the gold fringe flag but not this commie puppet.

      • jibbs

        TROLL ALERT!!!! Go back to the huffNpuff TROLL ALERT!!!!

    • toto

      You can pick your own; you sound too stupid … just like the rest of you right-wing clowns. Your gop party destroyed this country, and you scoundrels will get what is coming.

  • Royce Lewis

    Why not. We elected the b——s.

  • home boy

    do you still think your vote gets you what you want?

    • Al Sieber

      Our votes get us nothing, they don’t count.

      • moonbeam

        You are correct, Al. Our votes mean absolutely nothing. Been telling people this for years. Our votes may actually mean something when we get rid of the electoral college. No matter how the American people vote, the electoral college always can out vote us and and we get stuck with the garbage they put into office. Much like the piece of garbage sitting the oval office today and the maggots produced by it.

        • Gary in Oh

          The electoral college can be bought a lot cheaper than the population. Why would they do away with that?

        • Al Sieber

          moonbeam, every 4 years people vote the crooks out and think the next bunch is better, that’s their hope and change… voting for the lesser evil, like it makes a difference. what a great scam that we swallow.

  • Intellibronc

    More insanity from the asylum inmates. Someone mentioned drug tests for all gov’t employess, I’ve been saying this for years. Unfortunately, he/she who raises the most amount of money wins their ‘election’. International money got this imposter in our White House, it’s high time we take this country back. We don’t have anymore time to do this either.

  • Yeshua friend

    Now I could agree on a 75% reduction in Obama’s salary, along with the complete removal of all other perks and benefits. And likewise for all 530 members of the Senate and Congress whether current or retired; now that could make a real dent in the deficit. And they would start becoming compensated more in line with what they are actually worth, considering they are the ones which got us into this debt problem to begin with.


  • Klaus

    Well, it is true, you can’t make this stuff up. Whoever these idiot congressmen that sponsored this are, they need to get removed from office by the voters. This would start out voluntary, then become required, and then you have the tax increase the Democrats are pining for. The way out of this mess is less regulations, revised tax code, and getting rid of Obama and the communists that now run our country.

    • moonbeam

      There should be a 90 day probation period just like any other job. Give them 90 days to make a difference or they are FIRED! If they can screw things up in 90 days, then that is enough time to do a good enough job and make a real difference the people can see and feel.

      These bozo the clowns get in office, the people complain about them and it goes no further than that. So we get to not like the job they do for the amount of time they have been elected for, when they should be thrown out to the curb in 90 days if we don’t like their job performance.

      • Al Sieber

        moon, why don’t we hang them after 90 days? then they might straighten up. wishful thinking I guess.

    • eyeswideopen

      Klaus, idiot congressman is: REPUBLICAN RICK CRAWFORD, who has serious financial problems himself.

  • http://personalliberty wattajoke

    Let Obama, the fundraiser, do some of his famous affairs and donate the money to paying down the deficeit he created..

  • NJNurse

    In the long run it would be cheaper to get rid of these squatters. It would cost a mint but it would be worth it.

    • bob wire

      Who’s to determine what constitutes a “squatter” ?

      Are you up to such a job NJNurse? And how?

      • Raggs

        The white house, senate and the house are full of squatters… Deadbeat wothless good-4-nothings!

      • MSSouth

        Oh come on, you can’t be that stupid!!! The US Constitution identifies who ‘squatters’ are. The are the people who cross into this country ILLEGALLY, who are welcomed with open arms by the demoncrat party as new voters. Try using your head to reason with instead of using it as a hat rack!!!

        • bob wire

          The US Constitution says that? I don’t think so.

          and while legal and illegal are easy enough to say, in a country supposedly ruled by law, burden of proof becomes an annoying issue and the reason we have attorneys to defend our rights. You might feel that I too am illegal or harbor illegal activities.

          You hold the right to sue, I hold the right to defend and the attorney is happy regardless of any outcome.

          So, openly speaking out your “wish list” is the first step in the process. But for your ideas to get beyond your nose, more steps is required.

          We have Mexican families that hold land grants to land in Texas today and they are being denied ownership. It’s been tied up in litigation for some time now. Are they illegals? Are their descendants illegals?

          I have a brother that was dispatched to take possession of a vessel bought from the US Navy in a US Navy yard. In so doing, he fell from a unsecured ladder while coming aboard. Falling onto the ladder he shearing into tendons in his shoulder, arm and broke his foot.

          Who is to blame? My brother? the Navy? the person that failed to secure the ladder? My brothers employer? or nobody?

          This is what attorneys do. ~ Great Job! no? That most politician have a “LAW” background, is not surprising.

          • 45caliber

            There have been several attempts to ban lawyers from serving in the Legislature or the Executive positions since “by their profession they are part of the judicial branch of the government.” I’d like to see that happen.

        • jibbs

          Legal Dictionary

          MSSouth says:
          July 14, 2011 at 9:40 am
          Oh come on, you can’t be that stupid!!! The US Constitution identifies who ‘squatters’ are. The are the people who cross into this country ILLEGALLY, who are welcomed with open arms by the demoncrat party as new voters. Try using your head to reason with instead of using it as a hat rack!!!

          Do some reseach, before you talk. The Constitution says nothing about squatters, nor should it. Go insert your foot! People who enter our country illegally are “illegal aliens” You can’t be that stupid!!! At least your hat is warm.

          Main Entry: squat·ter
          Pronunciation: ‘skwä-t&r
          Function: noun
          : a person who occupies real property without a claim of right or title
          NOTE: In most jurisdictions, a squatter cannot gain title to land through adverse possession because adverse possession requires possession of the property under a claim of right or color of title. Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
          Cite This Source

  • bob wire

    point taken Sir. ~ But compared such numbers to waring games rather small expenditures.

    We are a huge nation and gain a new citizen every 14 seconds as our numbers swell to 330 million and counting. I would expect managing such number and resources to be costly and only become more so. We are a machine that requires attention and fuel. This fuel and attention is supplied by people.

    Our military uses aircraft that run upward of 40 to 50 million a copy.

    Bang for the Buck? one sidewinder missile to lay waste to one hut and it’s inhabitant runs 2 to 3 mil a copy.

    It takes a 1000 million dollars to make a trillion and so far the military has spent 4 and this is not to consider VA issues that will come into account over the next 40 years.

    Such Big numbers are hard to get the mind around.

    We seem to spend money by the truck load and want to count beans with it comes to other matters of concern.

    You know we have the best equipped military the world has ever seen. It comes at a steep price and almost a crying shame to not use it when and where we can.

    It’s a priority issue and thoughts differ.

    It’s hard to see the wind under the wings

    • 45caliber


      Unless I’m mistaken, a 1000 million is a billion – not a trillion.

      • bob wire

        oops! I thought it right and wrote it wrong.

        You get beyond 10 and I’ve got to take off my shoes.

        Thanks for your mindful, courteous correction 45.

        Airborne Ranger qualified, I’m gonna run in the woods and hide.

    • Push comes to shove

      Really it is not that hard to wrap your head around that much money,

      Look at it this way:

      If you spend $1 Million dollars a day it would take you 2,740 YEARS to spend $1 Trillion dollars (which our gov’t spends more than that in one year).

      • 45caliber

        Actually, I think they spend that much about every three months or less, don’t they?

    • Gary in Oh

      We haven’t been to war in a long time, not real war that congress has to declare off of the truth. Last I knew we were at “war” the puppet called for instead of congress. We are supposed to have troops in 130+- countries of 190+- on the globe, Why are we being the police man for the world? Our troops should be here guarding our borders instead of in some other country being police man. I know how I will feel when Blue Berets are on our streets playing policeman because our troops are not allowed to come home and protect us from enemies foreign and domestic.I can only imagine how the people that our troops are foreign to but are being policed by are feeling about Americans. I think I will share their feelings when foreign troops come to my town. Thankfully we have our 2nd amendment sorry god given rights to protect ourselves.

      • Lost in Paradise

        I think you know the answer to that, or should. Because our government finally has total power over the lot of us. However, it is going to get much much worse in the next four years.

    • Lost in Paradise

      Sorry Bob, but you are another one that believes all the sunshine they have blown up your behind. If you really believe all this then you are just another sucker, and part of the problem.

  • Cliff

    I haven’t heard any proposals about the people who got us into this mess taking a pay cut, reducing their retirement benefits ($14,500 per month) plus health insurance, etc.
    We cut NASA and that agency actually provided tangible services and technology that. How about getting rid of all the agencies that don’t provide any tangible services such as the Depts. of Energy, Education etc. or other unelected Departments that actually stymie progress?

    • NJNurse

      Hey Cliff, I’m with you on all that.

      • OB1

        Cliff, I’ll second that!

  • Joel Hatcher

    It will be voluntary until the politicians decide it is not profitable enough, then it will become mandatory. They will simply force businesses to withhold it without your consent and will tell you to shut up when you complain about it.

  • kenh

    This is just the first step: voluntary contribution, but no deduction. Then suggestion that everyone tithe 10%, voluntary then mandatory.

    At least anything contributed to charity is voluntary, including tithes and more, for now anyway.

    This is just a ploy to replace the church with the socialist government and to avoid the appearance of a tax.

    • OB1

      Did you know that the Obama Administration wants to cut the tax deduction for what you donate to charities? Also the homeowners tax exemption? Now why would he want to do that, Hmmmmmmmm…

  • Marlene

    As we all have discovered contacting our CONGRESSMAN or any elected official does not get the results we are complaining about!!!
    The government ( all parties, Demo and Rep) is so out of control in spending that they all use scare tactics such as social security and military payments to get the response from the people to continue their madness. It is going to take an uprising from THE PEOPLE not congress to change what has been in motion for decades. This administration has esculated it to the next level with their selfish and lavaish spending on themselves and their chosen recipients. If it means we protest in the streets, let’s do it. We can accuse the culprits of insanity – but the truth is they don’t care what we SAY. If we all keep on “talking” we are going to keep on getting exactly what we have been getting! Let’s start with limiting all personal spending for elected officials, term limits for EVERYONE and NO Political Action money (no lobbists) that will begin to change many things. WE THE PEOPLE ARE AWAKE SO LET’S GET BUSY DOING WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SAVE AMERICA AS WE KNEW IT – LET’S STOP TAKING. . . if contacting our congressman will change things do it. However, do you really think “they” are going to pass laes that restricts anything concerning them? They are not going to pass reducing their salaries or personal benefits, they are not going to limit terms or even stop political action money so what is accomplished by contacting THEM?

    • Gary in Oh

      the plan at Get Out Of Our House have a plan you should look at just google G.O.O.O.H. and see if we can replace them with some of us. If you look it up you will be with the plan, if you don’t you are not trying to fix the problem. sorry to put this in so many times but I think the most I can do today to fix this mess is to show all a solution. Please look today before you forget.

      • jibbs

        less than 92,000 members, zero traction! good luck

  • BobG_of_Iowa

    Why doesn ‘t Obama and the Congressmen/Senators contribute their entire paychecks to pay down the debt. They voted their own salaries without the approval of the Citizenry! They’re on more breaks than the average worker and still get a paycheck. Obama and Congress are the one’s who went on a spending spree, not the People of the Country. It’s Washington’s fault that the Country is in the shape it’s in.

  • Dark Knight

    Question: Why wasn’t it “enough is enough” back in 2009-2010 when there wasn’t a balanced budget and still not one to this very day?
    Question: Why wasn’t it “enough is enough” when the democrats unconstitutionally forced 0bamacare onto Americans?
    Question: Why wasn’t it “enough is enough” when this Administration tore up the bondholders contracts in the auto industry and paid off the unions first?
    Question: Why isn’t “enough is enough” with the BATF-E debacle, involvement with Libya and Yeman, all the closed door-behind-the-curtain wheeling and dealing or the appointment of czars for just about everything, an unemployment rate that is simply just unacceptable or the fact that we live in a post 9/11 world yet our borders are not secure as they should be coupled with all the constant campaigning and pandering to certain social groups for votes?
    Grand Question: Why isn’t it “enough is enough” with all the vacations this joker-in-chief and his family have taken on the backs of American taxpayers?
    All of this in just a mere 2 and 1/2 years with another year and one half to go! And he actually is seeking to be re-elected!!!
    You know, I do believe “enough is enough” already!
    0bama has raised $86 million for the second quarter of 2011 towards his re-election. If he can extract this kind of money from the left, why not just have the left pay down on this debt crisis. After all, we are in this state do to the progressive policies of the left in the first place.

  • joaniek


  • Raggs

    Yeah sure I will ( NOT )… Imagine the type of person that would even ask of such a thing like this…
    So is this going to turn into yet another MANDATED tax when nobody submits money?… It will only be voluntary until not enough money comes in…. TAX-SPEND, TAX-SPEND bankrupt America and then start over again…. How can anybody actually vote for a democummie?

  • Thinking About

    You can see by the responses here too many gets only a small portion of a story and start blaming anyone they dislike. When are we going to start relying on truth and forget tabloid reporting. Check the story further and find who wrote this bill before you start your ranting. I would like to see more facts written and perhaps writers could be relied on to have researched the story and present the whole story and perhaps readers could and would respond correctly.

    • sol of texas

      The sponsors for this bill to change the W-2 form to permit the voluntary withholding of more taxes are:

      - Mr. CRAWFORD(R-AR)
      - Mr. TIBERI(R-OH)
      - Mr. FINCHER(R-TN)
      - Mr. LANDRY (R-LA)
      - Mr. DENHAM (R-CA)
      - Mr. DOLD (R-IL)
      - Mr. FLORES (R-TX)
      - Mr. GRIFFIN (R-AR)
      - Mr. SCOTT (R-GA)
      - Mr. HUIZENGA (R-MI)
      - Mr. PALAZZO (R-NH)
      - Mr. GUINTA (R-MS)

      I wish these “wonderful fellows” would focus their energies on simplifying the Byzantine tax code (i.e., create a flat income tax – no credits or deductions, and a single tax rate for those earning over the poverty level) or replacing the current tax on production (income tax) with a consumption tax (i.e., the proposed flat tax).

      Why not?

      • eyeswideopen

        sol of texas, interesting that they are all repubs isn’t it? Thanks for listing all of the sponsors.

    • http://msn Robert Ivy

      Check the status of our country economically.

  • Bob Marshall

    You left out a little item. Four trillion dollars for wars. Seven hundred million for the new Embassy The annual budget for this embassy is one billion dollars.Three billion dollars each year to the IMF. Largest supporter of the UN.Thirty billion to the CIA and the largest military budget by a factor of ten over the next most powerful country Russia,then China. The US spends fifty seven percent while Russia spends eleven and China ten percent.Contractors in these wars are paid by taxpayers each year. The money taxpayers paid for air conditioning in Iraq and Afghanistan was more than the budget of NASA. Each Tomakawk missle cost one and one half million dollars and the US has used hundreds.The taxpayer just paid for a new aircraft carrier. The military and defense budget is the largest in history. You were right there are too many give a way programs. Thanks for your report.

    • 45caliber


      Just a note about militaries. When I was in (’65) we were told that there were about 12% (I think) citizens of the US who had military experience. The Chinese army outnumbered them almost ten to one – and they had less than 3% of their people in their army. So don’t make the mistake of believing that the Chinese has a smaller army since they spend less of their total money on it.

      • DaveH

        First they have to get them over here, 45.

        • 45caliber

          I know. But I think Bob was hinting that we need to seriously cut our military since they pay less for theirs than we do. Our ONLY way of matching them is with better training and better equipment. If they still do as they did in the Korean war, they tend to depend upon sheer numbers to win – sometimes even to the point that not all the attacking soldiers have weapons. We can’t cut back on the military and still hope to defend our country against them if they did decide to attack. And I don’t want to depend upon their good intentions. Only fools today want to cut back on our military with the idea that we are “too powerful for anyone to attack so we don’t need a military any more.”

          • http://yahoo james fiske



          • OB1

            ou are correct. Did you know that Ross Perot is the only one who demanded that the US doing something about bringin our POWs home to US? Let some google it today. I’m tired and am new to this link and still learning from some of the other’s comments.

          • ron

            H.R. 2411 was a republican sponsored bill.

          • OB1

            Bob wire needs to read; we all do. There is another Bob on here on other comments who is spot on, very well read and documents his statements with referals where to READ multiple sources on MANY subjects!

  • Johnny sal

    It would be patriotic for the members of the house of representitives and senate to put 25% of their pay in the treasury,not to mention members of their staffs as well as all members of the current administration. How about the president kicking down his salary and pension. These are the people who got us here. Their arrogance has no limit. Please print the names of these scoundrels.

    • eyeswideopen

      Johnny sal, why not just ask those who are only paying maybe 15% on their dividends to pay what you are paying? Probably around 26% if you are average. Why should they pay less than you? Don’t really understand why all of the repubs resist equal sharing of burden. Please don’t say the rich create jobs, as history and facts prove otherwise. The rich do have a demand for luxury products, but that certainly won’t keep the economy afloat with jobs. 68% of the jobs are created by small business’ who will not be taxed more with allowing the present tax cuts to expire. After what the rich have done to this country why do you people want to protect them?

  • Marlene

    Unfortunately, ALL media is slanted towards their position without regards for pure truth or the facts. But one fact is for sure our elected officials have not done the job they were elected to do! With each new administration it only gets worse. So is changing our elected officials the answer?

    • 45caliber


      It better be the answer! There is only one other choice and I don’t like it. And I’m willing to bet, they won’t like it either!

    • home boy

      getting rid of the political system is the only answer. let professionals run the country not a bunch of morons.

      • 45caliber

        The problem is that our morons consider themselves professionals and basically won’t allow others to compete.

  • Leviathon

    Obama is a LIAR, CHEAT, THIEF, a TERRORIST, taking America for all it’s worth time to IMPEACH all who support and follow him, as well as all who sit back and let him get away with using his color claim to get away with what he does. That’s a load of crap, IMPEACHMENT, now it’s not racial IT’s CONSTITUTIONAL.

    • OB1

      There are many impeachable offenses already submitted to the FBI as well as other departments of the government right now. Even if impeachment were to be started in the House and pass, it could not pass in the senate. Look at what happened to Bill Clinton. He got off by the senate after it had passed the house. Look where his standing is now as well as his wife Hillary? Scarey isn’t it…..

  • BuckRogers

    When my honorable(?) representatives and sentors in the Congress start making contributions to pay down the debt by refusing future automatic pay raises, enroll in pensions such as mine, become part of Social Security, stop exempting themselves to follow the same laws that they pass and demand that I follow, etc., then I will consider sending some of my vanishing funds to pay down the debt that they have created.

  • 45caliber

    Why should I volunteer to pay down the debt when Congress is determined to run it even higher?

    This is the only place I know where someone else can sign a loan note for me to pay back.

  • jag

    Why don’t we start by getting Obama and the rest of his group out of the white house. Put someone in who actually cares for this country and will keep his promises and uphold the constitution. Obama has committed more crimes against America that he should be prosecuted and put in jail like all those who support his hideous ways.

    • moonbeam

      But nobody has the balls to actually do it. It’s up to the people to get down to business and do a serious revolt right in front of the white house. Bush needs to be prosecuted as well for his war crimes, thievery, insider trading and terrorisom.

      Did you all know that Bush can’t set foot overseas? If he does he could be arrested as a war criminal. He was to do a speech in a foreign country somewhere and it was cancelled because there was a good chance he would be arrested and put into prison where he belongs. Google it. It’s all there as well as the cover up about his insider trading, which Martha Stewart went to prison for. If it’s good enough for her, it’s good enough for Bush and the rest of them.

      Obama should be impeached for his treasonous activities and that FAKE birth certificate he waved in front of the camera a few months ago. I will never believe he was born here. It could easily be confirmed by finding out his mother’s whereabouts on the day he was born. Bet any money she wasn’t here in the US. Now, THAT would open a can of worms. If I had the resources I’d get right on it myself. Is there anyone here who would know how to get this information and could you get started on it? Any PIs among us?

      His mother’s name was Stanley Armour Dunham known as Ann Dunham November 29, 1942 – November 7, 1995. Where was she on August 4, 1961 the “alleged” birth date of the hopefully soon to be evicted POTUS?

  • Tom

    I have always been taught that you should lead by example. Is congress willing to lead by example. If it works for them it work for us. All Bills going before Congess should be led by example with a lead time long enough to show proof that it will work for the citizens. Also is the U.S. Treasury willing to match the Congress members contributions? Things that make you say Hummmmmmm!

    • Gary in Oh

      The rules used to say the issues will be read out loud 3 times and discussed before a vote can be taken, now nancy says we have to vote it in to get a chance to read it WRONG ANSWER. If our representatives cared they would have walked out on that B.S. Then again like the Gun control act it would have been voted in by a few that had a plan to stay after anyway and stab us in the back.

  • Hope For American

    Our elected officials are nothing but puppets who take orders from the Rothchild family. The Rothchild’s control all the banks in the world, are trillionaires, are the snake’s head of World Domination, and don’t give a damn about the American Constitution. Obama took orders from them to have guns sent into Mexico to rid Americans of their 2nd Amendment Constitutional right. He transferred that order to Eric Holder, the AG,and both of them should be brought before a citizens tribunal for treason and murder of two cops. Obama starts an illegal war, but yet allows illegals to come into our country, kill our citizens, and pays them and their anchor babies to stay here with American’s tax dollars. This insanity has to stop and that INSANE being who promised hope and change only gave people the idea that we HOPE he’s never reelected and this country will CHANGE back into the greatness it was meant to be by our Founding Fathers.

    • mark

      Wow, what a gonzo, paranoid wack-job statement – and an anti-semitic one to boot. Next you’ll be quoting from that 19th-century Czarist Police forgery: “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” or some cuckoo clock Templar and Illuminati conspiracy theories. It’s Doctor Evil in his Deathstar Spaceship who is doing all this! Get a grip, my friend. Go see a good psychiatrist. You CAN get help.

      • OB1

        Mark, why do you keep repeating the same comment. Are you a troll? Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Hennry Kissinger and many many others are regular attenders and supporters of International Bankers and the Bilderberg Group. The matter is public record, you silly person. Check out the list. Funny thing is, they know we know. But they are not to worried about it because they think the hold all the cards and their agenda is well advanced. That still remains to be seen.

  • Harold Olsen

    Who’s sponsoring this piece of crap. It’d be nice if the article gave us all the facts. Just like all the brain dead media, even reporters on this forum just tell us what they want us to know and leave a lot of things out. It’s why I have such contempt for ALL the media.

    • Thinking About

      This has been sponsored by republicans and they were probably hoping some would het this story out and immediately start nling the Dems and Obama. We do not have journals checking and rechecking stories before they go off half cocked and either not give the facts or just lie because it sounds good. I wonder if this writer will give the complete story mow he has neem exposed.

  • Push comes to shove

    My opinion:
    This mess with the national debt is due 3 things:
    1) Money (FIRST AND FOREMOST)- groups such companies, lobbyists and unions giving campaign contributions for political favor. Too many laws are passed giving political favor to these types of donors such as tax breaks, grants, etc.
    SOLUTION: pass a law(i know we have enough but this one might actually help) that allows only individual citizens to make direct campaign contributions to a candidate in small increments. Monies given by companies, unions or lobbyist can only go a general campaign fund (like the one we can opt for on our IRS tax form) to be dispursed equally among the candidates of both repubican and democrat [meaning each candidate will get an equal amount (dems love this or don't they) of money to campaign on]

    2) Social programs: While i believe in helping those in need our government allows the morally corrupt to live off of us the tax payer.
    SOLUTION: Make those programs more like unemployment insurance – there is only so much benefit they can use and must fend for themselves after that point.

    3) international Aide: Why do we do this? I have never been able to comprehend why we the american tax payer must fund dictators to help them supress their people. I am all for helping people of a famine ridden country or a war torn country until they can learn to fend for themselves. I am not for helping bail out the EU’s failed social experiments, helping dictators drill for oil, or buy military equipment to use on thier neighbors or thier own people.

    • sol of texas

      Push –

      When will people realize that punishing production (income taxes) has never done anything but detrimentally affect economies?

      Why is it that if the largest component of the US economy is consumption (~70%), the appropriate avenue for revenue generation is a consumption tax instead of an income tax?

      Choosing to consume and (in so doing) pay a consumption tax represents economic freedom (the freedom to choose), not thievery or manipulation.

      What am I missing?

      • 45caliber


        There is the Law of Supply and Demand. Law, not theory.

        It states that when demand goes up, prices go up. When supply goes up, prices fall.

        The real problem in the US economy is that we can produce much, much more than we can use. And, thanks to government policies, we are hindered in selling to those in other countries. So what do we do with the excess supply?

        Welfare was started when draft went out the window to control the supply. Draft allowed them to take young people out of the production cycle of goods. Welfare does the same. The real problem is that people on welfare got used to not working – and they teach their children the same thing. So we ended up with more and more non-workers. Non-producers. As the government insisted we ship out less to foreign countries and build up their production instead to help provide jobs for their people, we cut our production even more. The regulations helped in this because companies would go somewhere else where they didn’t have to worry about regulations.

      • eyeswideopen

        sol, so basically you are saying that all the civilized industrialized countries in the world who indeed charge taxes are wrong?

    • 45caliber


      We’ve tried both 1 and 2. For awhile it was illegal for anyone except an individual to provide money and was limited to $1000 a year. The unions in particular had a fit. So they set up PACs and allow groups/people to take out ads for the individuals directly. Finally I think they just tossed it in the scrap bin.

      Item 2, was also tried. And not that long ago. They tried to set it at two years. For some reason this just drifted away without any action. The only thing I think that did take was a requirement that a girl who has a child can’t go on welfare herself (and get her own apartment) when she is fourteen. She has to be older now.

      Item 3? I agree. It was started (I think) to aid various European countries after WWII recover. But it expanded. The last list I saw included every country in the world except two. One was Monte Carlo (640 acres) and the other was a 128 acre country that depends upon smuggling that rests between Spain and Portugal. We are supposedly buying good will. Right. Actually we buy bad will when we don’t give them whatever they want each year. Let’s just live with the bad will and kill all of this.

  • FreedomFighter

    I would be shocked if Obama or any Demonrat in either house of congress sends even 1 dollar in additional money to pay down the debt.

    I did hear Joe Bitme and Charlie “The Angle” Wrangle tried but didnt know where the IRS is located.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • GTO_04

      I think all of Obama’s hollywood buddies (Alec Baldwin et al.)should be automatically enrolled in this program. Surely they wouldn’t mind helping pay down the massive debt that their hero has incurred!

    • Gary in Oh

      I think it is in Guam or Puerto Rico. One of those Federal holdings which means it it not in this countries soil.

      • 45caliber

        Yeah, one of the territories that pays no taxes at all now.

        Hummm … perhaps we should let Puerto Rico pay off the debt since they have been getting billions a year with no taxes for decades now …

        • jibbs

          The IRS is in Kansas City, Missouri

          • 45caliber

            In Austin, TX, too. Some character rammed an airplane into it some time back.

  • http://msn Robert Ivy

    Maybe all these concerned Congressmen will recend their COLAs for the last few years, do away with their favored status healthcare, work regularly to balance the budget,and like our founding fathers, work for the good of our country– without pay until we are stable economically and politically.

  • Phil

    Start garnishing their wages instead of ours. Government needs to feel the pain of trying to make ends meet. Obama, you don’t rule us.

  • Dave

    The debt problem isn’t isolated to the US. Europe is slowly melting down, Japan has been in a slump for 20 years.

    The only countries that are above water, fiscaly, are some of the Latin American countries and their standard of living is much lower than the US.

    When the banks that were “too big to fail” were bailed out that sealed the fate of the developed nations. Fractional reserve banking, like any Ponzi scheme, has a limited shelf life after which it has to collapse. The issue of new fiat money, to cover past debt due and fund future political promises, begins to accelerate exponentialy until massive inflation utterly destroys the real economy.

    You can’t blame Obama directly as the problem started when Nixon closed the Gold window cutting any link to a stabilizing influence on US currency.

    Personaly I feel the dollar collapse is inevitable now. The sooner it is over with the sooner we can rebuild and hopefully learned from this enormous mistake.

    • 45caliber


      How would we get rid of the debt?

      1) We can pay it off. But I can’t see that happening when Congress is determined to keep up the spending.

      2) We can declare bankruptcy. But … that requires courts. And you can bet that the courts will be transferring much of our lands to other countries to pay things off. Land that contains oil, coal, iron, copper, and other minerals. Forests. Even cities.

      3) We can simply deny payment. See item 2.

      4) We can have a civil war. We kick out the existing Congress (if we win) and start with a new one, while insisting that the old Congress is the one who owes the money. See item 2.

      5) We can dissolve the US like USSR did. Then since the country no longer exists neither does the loan. But that means that each part of the new countries is subject to attack and conquest.

      So … what is your choice?

      • home boy


      • Dave

        Hi .45 cal,

        I don’t think there are any choices left… the amount of debt, public and private but mostly public, is so enormous that our grandchildren will never pay it off. There was a window of opportunity when the banking crisis hit in 2008. We should have let the banks collapse right then.

        Now we have the derivitives market with an outstanding balance of over 600 trillion worldwide. No one knows the exact amounts or how much is junk debt because the SEC has no oversight on the derivitive market [not that the SEC ever did anything usefull anyway]

        We are looking at an economic collapse like the Germans had in the 1920′s only this time it is global.

    • Gary in Oh

      If you’d look at the mortgage foreclosure fraud issues, the truth of how the banks could go broke would blow your mind. If they are truly going broke they are the worst businessmen on the planet. I think a junkie could run that business and come out profitable or at least Od.

      • jibbs

        You talk alot, yet you say nothing! Provide a link to back up your claims!!!

      • 45caliber


        The banks were informed by the government that they MUST have at least 10% bad loans – and they MUST give loans to all minorities if they want a house regardless of their income level. I’ve seen people in AR on welfare who lived in $500,000 houses. This goes back to Carter’s day but Clinton really pushed it. That explains why the banks have so many bad loans.

        To make things worse, Clinton ordered FM and FM to buy up those loans to cover the banks. So the banks don’t bother to find good people to loan money too. After all, if the government buys the loans, then they are going to make money anyway. Why do you think FM and FM had so much problems?

        • OB1

          Sounds like you’re taking Christopher Dodd and Barnerney Frank out of the FNMA and FDMC equation. (Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac.) Remember when the young guy who was the director of FEMC (?) was found hung at his home? Wierd? Maybe not… And on top of that who gave Barney Frank and Chris Dodd the power to give loans for racial equality? Who, who, who?

  • jopa

    Well it’s about time the Republican party came forward with their solution to the debt crisis.They are just total geniuses and why didn’t anyone think of this sooner.Where do we sign up??I was just wondering why Simon Black the author of this article didn’t come forward with the fact this was a Republican sponsored bill only and give them credit where credit is due.

  • Kurt Reimer

    I see no reason why this could not be done easily, with no extra work for the employer. Every worker already fills out a W4 form, specifying their withholding. If a worker wishes to participate in this (arguably naive) new program, he/she should be able to send a form to the Federal Govt, bypassing the employer completely, that simply authorizes the Federal Governemnt to diviert a portion of his withholdings to the new program.

    The employee then might want to amend his W4 (unless he regularly gets refunds already) but that’s no excuse for exployer bellyaching.

  • Kurt Reimer

    And the article’s complaint that contributions under this new program would not be deductible is pure B.S. It’s a voluntary contrbution! If you want contribute $5 but you want it to be deductible from your gross income, here’s what you do: Contribute $4. Problem solved, no extra paperwork.

  • chuckb

    problem solved, cut welfare benefits by 10%, impeach barry and half the congress, no more new welfare benefits issued unless the person had been steadily employed and lost his job thru current economic failure.
    force the illegals back to country of origin and stop all current combat. bring our troops home unless they are in a position of absolute protection of this country. cut corporate tax, install right to work.

    • jibbs

      huckb says:
      July 14, 2011 at 10:55 am
      problem solved, cut welfare benefits by 10%, impeach barry and half the congress, no more new welfare benefits issued unless the person had been steadily employed and lost his job thru current economic failure.
      force the illegals back to country of origin and stop all current combat. bring our troops home unless they are in a position of absolute protection of this country. cut corporate tax, install right to work.


      Cut welfare by 25%. I have a friend of over 30 years, she’s been on welfare for more than 12 years. She can work, but won’t. We sent her to college to get her BA, that she will never use to get a job……..why is this allowed to happen? Cut welfare by 25% and no money for college, unless you get a job. If you fail to get a job, no more welfare and you pay us back for college.

      • 45caliber

        I’d be willing to cut it even more.

        About twenty five years ago or so, a man won election in Maine by promising to cut the welfare rolls. He instructed the Welfare department to cut all those they felt were cheating. If the people appealed, they were to give him the addresses. He would visit the people – with TV cameras and reporters along to record everything. He found a few that needed to stay on welfare – but most lived in better houses with better cars than the taxpayers did. After a few of them showed up on the evening news trying to insist they deserved to stay on welfare, the rest dropped out. The NAACP and the ACLU came in to try to sign up more people, but he did a good number on them.

        • jibbs

          Well 45caliber, I’ll toast you on that! I’d be willing to cut alot more. Say, 50% and alot of them 100%.

  • Fed up with this crap

    Bob, you’re lying.

    The act provides that an employee may make a VOLUNTARY contribution to pay down the national debt. It’s not mandatory

    Any such contribution is AFTER TAX money.

    There’s no tax deduction because the US Government is not a recognized charitable organization.

    Don’t twist the facts – or in this case lie – just so you can blast Congress and the administration. You should apologize.

    • home boy

      it’s still a moronic suggestion.

    • jibbs

      Please re-read what Bob wrote, stop twisting it.

  • Old Henry

    As I recall reading in the past Social Security was voluntary when it was created in 1937. The money that was voluntarily paid into Social Security was to be put into a “trust fund” and used EXCLUSIVELY for Social Security benefits.

    We all know the rest of that story.

    If enacted how long before HR2411 becomes mandatory? It will simply be another way for liberals to sneak in another tax.

    As pointed out in the article HR2411 is simply one more job-killing bureaucratic rat hole.

    The way to eliminate the debt is immediately cut the budget by 25% and eliminate for starters the Departments of Energy, Education, Homeland Security, ATF.

    • coal miner

      Old Henry,

      FDR Never Promised That

      We’ll address the newer claims first, specifically the five “promises” supposedly made by President Franklin D. Roosevelt at the inception of the Social Security system in 1935. We rely here on no less an authority than the official historian of the Social Security System, Larry DeWitt, who has written up a detailed response to these claims under the heading “Myths and Misinformation About Social Security,” which can be found on the Social Security History Web page, along with answers to other frequently asked questions.

      Not Voluntary. Contrary to the e-mail’s very first claim, FDR never promised that “the program would be completely voluntary.” It is supported by taxes and participation has never been voluntary. As historian DeWitt states: “From the first days of the program to the present, anyone working on a job covered by Social Security has been obligated to pay their payroll taxes. ”

      Not 1 Percent. Another false claim is that FDR promised participants would pay only “1% of the first $1,400″ of income. The law FDR signed taxed income up to $3,000, for one thing. And while the rate was 1 percent for the first few years, the law FDR signed raised it incrementally in 1940, 1943, 1946 and 1949, when it reached 3 percent.

      Not Deductible. Also false is the statement that Social Security contributions “would be deductible from their income for tax purposes.” The opposite is true. Section 803 of the law Roosevelt signed specifically says Social Security payroll taxes “shall not be allowed as a deduction to the taxpayer in computing his net income for the year.” So the claim made later in the e-mail – that Democrats “eliminated the income tax deduction” for payroll taxes – cannot possibly be true. There was never a deduction to eliminate.
      Update, March 27: An alert reader points out that self-employed persons must pay “self-employment tax,” which is a Social Security and Medicare tax similar to the taxes withheld from the pay of most wage earners. Half of the SE tax is indeed deductible when figuring adjusted gross income for federal income tax purposes. However, the SE tax deduction has not been eliminated, not by “the Democratic party” or by anybody else.

      Trust Fund Falsehoods. The message claims that FDR promised Social Security funds would be used “for no other government program,” but that Lyndon Johnson and a Democratic Congress later took Social Security into the General Fund “so that Congress could spend it.” This is twisted history. The government has always been able to use Social Security funds for other purposes when not needed to finance benefits. As DeWitt states: “[T]here has never been any change in the way the Social Security program is financed or the way that Social Security payroll taxes are used by the federal government.” All LBJ did in 1968 was to make Social Security taxes and spending part of a “unified budget.” As DeWitt notes, this was an accounting issue and “has no affect on the actual operations of the [Social Security] Trust Fund itself.”

      Taxation of benefits. The e-mail also gets it wrong when it claims that Roosevelt promised that “annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.” It’s true that Social Security benefits weren’t taxed at first, but DeWitt writes that this was the result of a series of administrative rulings by the Treasury Department, not the result of Roosevelt’s law or anything he did or promised. And contrary to a false claim made later in the e-mail, it was not Democrats alone who “started taxing Social Security annuities.” Congress authorized taxation of Social Security benefits in 1983, when Republicans controlled the Senate, and the measure was signed into law by President Ronald Reagan, a Republican. The measure was part of a bipartisan compromise to shore up the finances of the system, which were then on the verge of collapse.
      Nixon’s Gift to Immigrants

      Another huge whopper in this e-mail is the claim that President Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party “decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants … even though they never paid a dime into it.” In truth, no illegal immigrant is allowed to get a penny of Social Security retirement benefits, as this message implies. (We address more false claims on that theme in another Ask FactCheck.) And any immigrant who has become a citizen or legal resident can qualify only to the extent that they have worked and paid into the system for years, on the same basis as everybody else.

      The earlier version of this e-mail made this claim only about the SSI program – the Supplemental Security Income program for the blind, disabled or elderly and destitute. But the truth is, that program was signed into law by Republican President Richard Nixon in 1972. Under Nixon’s SSI law, legal immigrants were eligible for benefits from the start. It is a federal welfare program funded out of general tax revenues and is separate from the Social Security old-age pensions and disability insurance programs funded out of dedicated payroll taxes. While Social Security benefits are paid to those who have paid payroll taxes for a certain minimum period of time, SSI benefits were available to all – citizens and legal residents alike – regardless of whether they had “paid a dime into it” or not.

      Fake Jefferson Quote

      The e-mail signs off with a quote that supposedly comes from Thomas Jefferson: “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.” But Jefferson never said that.

      According to Monticello researchers and Jefferson scholars who maintain the online Jefferson Encyclopedia: “We have never found such a statement in Jefferson’s writings. As far as we know, this statement actually originates with [Republican President] Gerald R. Ford, who said, “A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have,” in an address to a joint session of Congress on August 12, 1974.”

      The author of this urges others to send this message on, smugly suggesting,”If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted.” Hardly. What’s really being spread are seeds of ignorance – and a pack of clumsy lies.

      -Brooks Jackson

      • coal miner

        Old Henry,

        Source Fact

        Don’t feel bad about your quote.I made a mistake about what Jefferson quoted,but it turn out all wrong.

        Fake Jefferson Quote

        The e-mail signs off with a quote that supposedly comes from Thomas Jefferson: “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.” But Jefferson never said that.

        According to Monticello researchers and Jefferson scholars who maintain the online Jefferson Encyclopedia: “We have never found such a statement in Jefferson’s writings. As far as we know, this statement actually originates with [Republican President] Gerald R. Ford, who said, “A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have,” in an address to a joint session of Congress on August 12, 1974.”

      • eyeswideopen

        Coal, excellent information, however, these people won’t believe a single fact that you presented. They won’t look it up themselves, but they will start slamming you at any moment. They believe what ever talking points their elected officials spew on faux news/ I didn’t have the patience to do what you did…Kudos to you,,,,good job!

        • coal miner


          Thank you eyes!

  • WillieG51

    I can offer an Acronym for them. . . Attention Congress GFY!

  • Lost in Paradise

    OK! WE know we have a real mess with the government in the U.S., but what do you think we should do about it?? Do any of you have a really good sound idea what exactly we should do? Something serious needs to happen very very soon, as it will not be long, and forums like this will be against the law. You need to remember that our constitution, and our bill of rights are very outdated, and of no further use.

    Have any of you kept track of the money that has been spent outside the country in the last 12 Months?

    The U.S. taxpayer is always the one to suffer if the feds spend too much overseas or whereever. Why is it that they can only go after Social Security, and now squeeze us for more tax money?

    Soon United Nations goons will be kicking your doors down to confiscate all your guns, and some of you, I would imagine will be placed in FEMA camps.

    Time is running out!!!! How long you gonna wait for the Poohey to hit the fan, before you do something??

    OH yes, I forgot you will vote! That always helps get things done. Our founding father’s, are turning over in their graves over this monster government. It is exactly why they left England for a new beginning, and now here we are, back to where we started.

    • OB1

      Perhaps should read The Constitution, The Bill of Rights and The Declaration of Independence. Don’t bash them as outdated unless you truly know whats in them. Hold ALL candidates and voted in Representatives to adherence to those documents BEFORE and AFTER they get elected. Many of voters did not and that is how we go to be where we are today. BY THE WAY, THERE ARE MANY INTERESTING COMMENTS FROM THE TOP OF THIS COMMENTS SECTION TO THE BOTTOM THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED SINCE THIS MORNING. VERY INFORMATIVE REPLYS TO OTHERS’ COMMENTS!

      • eyeswideopen

        OB1, how about holding anyone who lies accountable? If they make a mistake, fine come out as soon as possible and correct it. However if you fact check most of the talking points being spewed by the radical right, they are wrong, or misconstrued to mislead the public. If they constantly make mistakes, make a recall available to the voters. Don’t make us suffer until their term is up.

  • EcoWise

    It is my understanding that when the DEBIT was created it was writen that only intrest paynemts can be made…thus the DEBIT will always remain as long as the USofA is in bussiness.

  • Dusterdog

    The one thing you must get your head around is.You had better be prepared for the worst because with Democrats & Republicans running things its commeing.And the American people are not smart enough to see that.Proof of that is they keep on electing these partys expecting a different result but never getting it.Insanity I say.

  • Thinking About

    Terrible erratic advocates is just like a tea bag once used and ready for the garbage

  • Lost in Paradise

    Lawyers are a large part of the problem,as they can twist the truth with words to mean almost anything they want. In the end we have too many laws and most made buy legal minds. They make it so complicated, that we are now seeing that they themselves cannot figure out what to do.

    I would say BOb wire is either in law enforcement, or something close.Makes no difference,if you believe in the system, you are a fool, and have been fooled “big Time”.

    They system is broken, and out of its usefulness. We desperatly need a new goverment, and are told buy our founding documents, that we are obligated to replace a government that is not working for the people.

    • 45caliber

      Lawyers ARE the problem. The US has 3% of the world’s population – but we have about 52% of the world’s population of lawyers.

      • OB1

        No kidding! Tort reform and state and local judges have to disclose their ideology before being elected not appointed. How about that? What do you think?

        • 45caliber


          We had a serious problem with doctors here in Texas some years ago because of no tort reform. The state passed a law setting a limit on tort to $100,000 more than actual costs. The lawyers had a s*** himerage. It stopped their multi-million dollar profits.

          We also need a law that requires the loser to pay for the winner’s court costs. There are far too many frivolous suits. (Coffee too hot? Come on!) And if the loser can’t pay the lawyer must.

          • eyeswideopen

            45, don’t think DaveH, would agree with that, as he believes in a totally free market with no restrictions or regulations, so how can you prevent lawyers from being able to make the money that the market will dictate?

        • 45caliber

          We elect judges here. There are still some problems – judges usually come from some large law firm where they are still pardners or they get big donations from lawyers for their campaigns, but we can at least get a chance to get rid of them occasionally. I wouldn’t have a real problem with appointed judges as long as they are for 4 year terms with reappointments – AFTER the local citizens have a chance to let the appointer know what they think of the judges. But I dont’ think they allow that in the states where they appoint.

  • Donald

    What’s the big problem. We live in an age of computers and with just a few keystrokes employers routinely arrange deductions to go to banks, to health insurance compankes, etc. This is no big burden, especially since the number of people who sign up to do this would be remarkably small.

    This whoe thing is much ado aout next to nothing.

    • libertytrain

      I’m fairly certain from your comment that you have never worked in any office and/or business or ran one, or owned one. I’m sure you work but not at anything that would give you a good grasp of the work involved with this type of government crud.

    • jibbs

      You don’t have a clue, do you? It’s way more than a few key stroke’s.

  • NJmom77

    I would like to see those millionaires in the House and Senate publish how much of THEIR pay they are withholding to pay down the debt.

  • Abby

    An interesting article appeared in the 14 July issue of the Tampa Trib titled “Obama issues harsh warning on debt”. He warned the House Majority Leader Eric Cantor , that if his DEMANDS for tax increases are not met there is a possibility that Social Security checks will not be sent out and and pay to military people overseas will not be getting paid. This sounds like the same type of demands the Union made to the Bethlehem Steel, which lead to its demise.

    With a slight modification, Obama’s suggestion does have merit. Instead of stopping the pay for Social Security recipients and Military people. STOP the pay to the President, Senate, Representatives, treasury , and their staffs. The President does not have a Budget so to be effective all donations to his operations by other departments should be also be stopped. This alone will save the Air Force over $35,500 per hour when flying Air Force One. Ref CRS Report for Congress order code RS20111 March 1999

  • Raggs

    I’m going to bet anyone here that oblama will take it upon himself to raise the debt limit. And when he does I sure hope someone with a pair slap handcuffs on him.

  • Raggs

    oblama is getting pumped to raise the debt limit without congressional approval much less a budget or a trim job to the spending.

    He is usurping power he doesn’t have ( again )folks, and what will we do?… NOTTA DAMM THING!

  • Raggs

    oblama is getting pumped to raise the debt limit without congressional approval much less a budget or a trim job to the spending.

    He is usurping power he doesn’t have ( again )folks, and what will we do?… NOTTA DAMM THING!

  • jopa

    45 cal;Lawyers have always been a big problem in DC and now the biggest problem are the lobbiests.After the last election in 2010 they went from sixty lobbiests working as Congressional and Senate staffers to one hundred and forty six.Basically the fox are now working within the proverbial hen house.

    • 45caliber

      I agree with you – for once.

  • Stan Lee

    The operative phrase for this ridiculous proposition is at the very beginning, where it says “workers should be able to voluntarily…….” OK?
    I’m just offended that those members of Congress, presumably Democrats, if it’s about grabbing our money one way or another, have nothing better to do but dream up crap like this.
    If they’re not designing a bill to do away with styrofoam cups in their own cafeteria (can you image?) it’s dreaming up ideas like this.
    Who doesn’t know that any of us could have volunteered an extra amount over and above that owed to the government?
    That’s what I’ve been telling people who think we pay too little a tax rate for years. I guess they were talking about how much I pay, and not what they pay.
    The “Reduce America’s Debt” should be done exactly as the Republican argument to Obama advises, and the Dems are not buying that. After all, who are we to tell the Democrats how to save our country?

  • Alexander Kaminski

    H.R.2411 bill-requirements to repay National debt, incurred by Obama’s failed policies are ridiculous! I will say once again that Obama should be impeached for mismanaging citizen’s tax money. MR. Speaker in charge of US House of Representatives, please IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!

  • don

    why don’t our senators and representitives forfiet their salaries since most of them are wealthy and pay for the mess they made. unthinkable. let the the little guy pay.

  • http://PersonalLiberty Diana

    If we stop all the money in foreign aid we would not have to raise the debt ceiling. How about starting with the bloated Federal jobs. If you make Federal employment “production based” we could go a long way toward resolving the debt crises and unload the free loaders under the guise of Federal Employment. Another idea is food stamps, free housing and other subsidies. Let’s make tax paying employment, drug and alcohol testing of parents; conditions to receive these freebies.
    Gosh we might not have a crises with a few common sense budget adjustments!

  • T.L.

    Ooh Yea, I will donate in Obsolete money if I have my choice in the matter. Not money from MY PAYCHECK, no; money I have found in the Coinstar machine at the grocery store. That money I will so easily give is Car Wash tokens, Chuck E Cheese Tokens, even those infamous Mexican Quarter sized Pesos from the mid 1980′s. Yes, Uncle Sam won’t be able to talk trash to his creditors. But it’s nice to know that he can wash the President’s Limo down at the Coin-O-Wash. How about a round at the stuffed Teddy booth at Chuck-E-Cheese. Then he can “Even” the score by using those obsolete Mexican Pesos at the nearest Coke Machine. How about that for good old-fashioned bureaucratic generosity, rob Peter to get Paul.
    The nice thing about this found money is that you don’t have to worry about it being tax-deductible. Giving this to “Sammie-Boy” would be an appropriate charitable gift for the biggest dead-beat of them all.

  • OB1

    You are correct. But it looks to me as if we have become the democracy police of the world, (or manipulated police force for the globalists’ agenda. Am I wrong in this? I think we should have the best military with the best equipment and technology. However, policing the globe for the NWO holds little appeal to me and many other American citizens.

  • DaveH

    For those religious folks out there whose freedom of speech is under siege:
    Government officials at the Houston National Cemetery continue to:
    • Ban the word “God” at funerals for veterans;
    • Require grieving families to submit prayers or religious messages for approval to the government before a funeral at the cemetery;
    • Hide the Bible and the cross that were once placed in the cemetery chapel;
    • Send VA officials to monitor funerals to ensure the VFW, The American Legion or the National Memorial Ladies do not mention God or give a religious message to families who are burying their loved ones.

    • eyeswideopen

      God forbid, they are following the Constitution by not inserting religion into the service. Dave, as an athetist, why do you care? Trying to stir the pot?

  • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

    How amazing and entertaining this site is. All you experts posting here especially those who claim to be so all knowing patriotic and conservative, Right-wings/left-wings/independents why aren’t you running for Congress and the Senate, maybe for President! All of Yours and You created this Government of “lean forward/bend over”and you learned to like it. You lost your “Balls and TEETS” and you forgot how to fight for your freedom, what ever you think that is. Now take it like good Slaves!

    • OB1

      You sound a little pi>>ed off. Great! What are your ideas? Perhaps you just need to get mad with the rest of us poor people…

      • OB1

        Then maybe you will start talking to people in you town and county, or wherever, and listen to others and READ all kinds of availkable knowledge and actually help figure out what to DO about it. YOU! Wow. Ahaha moment. YOU! What a responsibility. You. Another US resident that I hope is a citizen. Be as pi>>ed off as you want. It’s not a bad thing. It’s only “bad” when you stop looking outside your own group and start listening to many different others and start reading! Can we do something about it? I believe so, but it has to be different. We have to document our points of view or support hem with wisdom because we were there, or heard all the stories passed down from our elders. We are US; we are all so different we are diverse and we are many. We read, we communicate and many share. Can you? Please share your ideas after you get mad.

  • Tinman

    To all the politicians, HAVE SOME HONOR AND COMMIT SUICIDE, take a note from the Japs.

    May all the politicians wrong doings on the REAL AMERICANS of AMERICA come back to destroy them.

    • OB1

      You Tinamn need to get mad, really mad then find your heart. Wizard of OZ. The wizrd is being exposed and all of us are aware, cautious, frightened, anxious, and perhaps that’s why we post here, because Bob Livingston lets us. I really don’t know who Bob Livingston is. ut I sure do like his articles and the fact that he lets us post and read the replies! If he is a real person, may he be blessed forever.

  • kattisch

    The debt is a debt that is intended by design to bankrupt this country and completely eliminate the middle class. The federal reserve (which is no more federal than fed-ex) creates the money out of nothing — doesn’t even pay for the printing and then charges us interest on the money that they created out of nothing. Sounds like a very big ponzy scheme. So why would I want to pay off a debt that is created out of nothing? Further why would I want to make any off-shore greedy bankers richer on the back of my fellow citizens? Why did G.E. not pay one cent of taxes for the last 2 years, or Bill Gates, or Warren Buffet or any other of those guys who take our taxpayer monies and then create factories with it in foreign countires. And then to add insult to injury they threaten people to withhold Social Security checks when those people paid into the system and their money has admittedly embezzled by the federal government! That money is their money and they paid into that fund their whole life. Get real we all know this is going to become a mandatory rather than voluntary deduction that we will be REQUIRED to pay and it will further devastate what little wealth has been depleted from this government by the criminal elements of federal reserve that should be abolished. Our government should take back the powers of printing their own money under the US constitution, art. 1, sec. 8; abolish the federal reserve; and issue certificates on the gold that is supposedly left at Fort Knox. So then debt becomes a non-issue!

    • OB1

      We nee an audit of Ft.Knox…Goldfinger may have already been in there…

  • David Burke

    HA Send in the same SEAL team to DC!

  • OB1

    You know, all of you brave ones have made me think. Dave thanks for your insights. 45, Bob, Kat8 and many, many others, thanks. Here’s a gift from me:
    Somebody asked what can we do about any of these obvious problems? Register Independent. Don’t let any party know your affiliation. Let’s sign a petition that we don’t pay taxes until the cut the deficit and balance the budget. Stop rewarding Wall Street and International and National Bankers, the Elites of those who bought off congress, at OUR expense. Cut them off politically and at the pocketbook. Period. Independents are Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians and many, many other Constitution loving Americans. Most of our ancestors came here from other countries. They struggled to learn English and become LEGAL citizens. Even some American Indians are Independents. Stop being labeled. Put all media on alert: we ARE the US! THE US of America. I forgot to include in my list of the groups of people who are registering as Independents the pi>>ed off American. Sorry. They are a loosely organized group as well as the others, but they still count…

  • Dusterdog

    The answer to our problems my friends is never going to come from the ballot box.It will have to come from the barrel of the gun.Lock & load the time fast approaches.

  • Bert Cundle

    Uncle Sam Saying… a budie,can ya spare a dime? Pushing his shopping cart, of imports.

  • ron

    What is being missed here is that this bill was sponsored by 12 republicans.

  • Debra

    The “Obama 101″ should actually read like this: “Obama -101″. The first one’s who should have their wages cut is El Presidente and all those who sit up there on the hill. If all their wages were cut in half, and ended when their job expires, we would have never been in debt in the first place. Their wage should end when their job ends, just like everyone else in the world. They would be more concerned about the choices they make since it would bring them down to earth to live like the rest of us. It’s clear what direction this president wants to take us. The Democrat regime has made itself clear on what it stands for. What do we see going on? Take away our wages, our retirement and social security, our jobs, our means for protecting ourselves in the event our nation ever was invaded, our food sources, etc. What does that spell? Give me a b Bob, come on Bob. Anyone that thinks it’s okay to have jihad schools and mosques on American soil is a traitor, and a lover for hate and contention. These kind of problems don’t belong here in this country, we don’t need it, and should be kept out. We were a peaceful nation until someone decided to bring them here. I’m voting for Herman Cain.

  • Richard Popovich

    There isn’t enough money in the World to satisfy the greed of liberal/progressive politicians, and needless government social programs. The liberal propaganda tells us that our national debt is $14.2 Trillion Dollars. But that portion of the debt only shows the results of funded government spending. It does NOT include log-term, unfunded government liabilities. When all of these future debts are added up, the true national debt is actually…, Are you ready for this?


    I did a little bit of research on the debt, and found some interesting facts.

    Congress is trying to convince Americans that raising the debt ceiling, will somehow free America from crushing debt. The amount of debt being reported $14 Trillion. This estimate is an outright piece of liberal PROPAGANDA. The U.S. Government is actually a total of $127 Trillion in debt. As it has been said in business:

    “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people, all of the time.”

    What exists in the liberal politician’s “Debt Limit Fight,” is a conspiracy contrived by liberal/progressive politicians, trying to “fool the voter,” and hide the fact that America’s debt is so far out of control, that a $2.8 Trillion increase is insignificant when looking at our debt crisis.

    The following facts indicate the depth of America’s financial troubles.

    Current Federal Deficit & Debt

    • $1.347 Trillion – The amount the Federal government has overspent in 2011 – with 5 1/2 months left to go in the fiscal year
    • $354 million per day – The amount every single day the Federal government is now over-spending, (not including Social Security & Medicare)

    • $14.2 Trillion – The amount of money the Federal government has already borrowed and must pay back;

    • $1 Million every 46 seconds – The rate at which the National Debt, (interest + additional deficit spending, but not including unfunded mandates is growing as of April 2011;

    • $128,561 – The amount of Federal Debt per taxpayer
    When this is all put together, the Federal Government of debt owed totals:

    $127 Trillion!

    Just Taxing the Rich Cannot Fix The problem.

    America is worth the following:

    • $1.3 Trillion – Total value OF ALL CASH & ASSETS for the richest people in America, (as reported by Forbes) – seizing all assets would cover less that 1/3 of 2011 spending.

    • $77 Trillion – This figure represents the TOTAL assets of every American household, small business and corporation in the United States.

    • Bottom line total of America’s total combined assets:
    $78.2 Trillion!

    • Even Taxing EVERY INDIVIDUALK, BUSINESS AND CORPORATION 100% of all assets WOULD NOT PAY OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT! If we sold all combined assets;

    America would still owe:

    $48.8 Trillion!

    And The Crisis Just Keeps On Growing

    • $100,000 per SECOND – The rate at which the National Debt + Unfunded Liabilities are growing;

    • 2037 – The year the CBO (Congressional Budget Office) says the American economy will completely crash, our government and people left bankrupt and our currency rendered worthless if drastic changes do not start immediately.

    Unfortunately even the CBO predictions paint a rosy picture when compared to the fact that America America’s total net worth, does not equal our debt.

    We are BANKRUPT!

    The only thing that makes the dollar worth anything is the illusion that is magically being projected on a screen of thin air.
    Financially American politicians have sold our Nation to the high-bidders in the World including:

    ● CHINA;
    ● INDIA;
    ● the MIDDLE EAST; and

    I have NO IDEA how to solve this catastrophic debt disaster that we have gotten ourselves into. Liberal American politicians and New World Order advocates have created this crisis intentionally, to force America into a One World Dictatorship.

    These are the facts of the debt dilemma, but the actual takeover may prove to be much more difficult than the New World Order pundits have planed.

    • toto

      Your gop gansters are still demanding tax cuts — you should cut their heads instead!

  • smash44

    Excellent! Seriously. Take all the liberal’s money so they won’t have a dime left to contribute to the Democratic campaign coffers. We all know the socialist snots live paycheck-to-paycheck, hand-to-mouth anyway. Let the pay more taxes if they want to. This is a GOOD IDEA. Wonder how many liberal pukes will put their money where their mouths are?

    • toto

      You (offensive comment removed)!

  • fredlox

    And the Bill doesn’t even call for those who are in Congress who are making a hefty penny for their so-called work to reduce their salary first..

    It only calls for the private citizen to do it…

  • Palin12

    How about if John Kerry (D-Mass), the richest man in the Senate with an estimated $1 Billion net worth, contribute $900 Million towards this effort. That would still leave him and his wife with $100 Million, more than enough to live quite comfortably.

  • toto

    Proof is your gop gansters promoted and passed this thing to screw you dupes some more and you stupid right-wingers still act as if the democrats or any others are responsible. Stupid, Stupid, — you all commit suicide!

  • http://n/a Joseph

    If the government is serious in reducing out debts, remove all the czars, eemove the secreatry of michelle o, stop her globetrotting and taking snack in foreign countries. the DepEd has 200 czars. What for? Remove those devout muslims with the Homeland Security.

  • jopa

    One more time.The twelve congressman that introduced HR 2411 were REPUBLICANS.I noticed as I was reading the posts several were still confused.Thank you

  • chuckb

    cut off michelles traveling budget, that will more than take care of the deficit for a month. is it obvious to you of little insight that the talking dummy is just that, he doesn’t have a clue how to handle this situation, he can’t use the teleprompter during their budget debates, however, he will con those wimpy republicans, he got to mcconnell already, boehner is in the back room crying. God must look down upon this nation and shake is head in disbelief, what have i done, i created these bolsheviks!.

  • jopa

    chuckb;This is still the greatest country in the world and when Obama was elected, as in the song”Go has shed his grace on thee”.So we should all take a moment every now and then to say Thanks.

  • Blueshoes

    Would this be considered Income Tax, TAX? :(

  • jopa

    big oops; “God has shed his grace on thee”.

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  • AJ

    You do know that this bill is being introduced by Republican?

    Rep. Rick Crawford [R-AR1]hide cosponsors


    Jeff Denham [R-CA19]

    Bob Dold [R-IL10]

    Stephen Fincher [R-TN8]

    Bill Flores [R-TX17]

    Tim Griffin [R-AR2]

    Frank Guinta [R-NH1]

    Bill Huizenga [R-MI2]

    Jeff Landry [R-LA3]

    Kristi Noem [R-SD]

    Steven Palazzo [R-MS4]

    Austin Scott [R-GA8]

    Patrick Tiberi [R-OH12]

    • Katinalabama

      thanks for the info AJ. I thought this was introduced by dems. You also gave me a website that I can track congress.

  • Right on

    Bend over and grab your ankles here come the government men ready to do us another favor. It is not only the feds who are stealing our money just take a look at your phone bill all those extra fees.
    Now they have come up with a new one, Regulator cost recovery fee.
    I say get rid of all the bums.

  • Katinalabama

    What really bothers me about this is that “voluntary” deductions usually morph into “mandatory” deductions.



  • Tony

    How about an idea called the FAIRTAX 23% cunsumption tax. I don’t want to elaborate but the book can be found in the library or purchased online very inexpensively. There are members of the senate and congress who are sponsoring it. But it ELIMINATES The I.R.S. and
    almost all other taxes. The only time you pay any tax is when you
    purchase something. Go to for more information.

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