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Congress Takes First Steps Towards Repealing ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’

June 2, 2010 by  

Congress takes first steps towards repealing 'don't ask, don't tell'Late on May 27, the United States Congress conducted the first series of votes that might lead to repealing the policy that bans openly gay Americans from serving in the military.

The Senate Armed Services Committee and the full House approved measures to overturn the 1993 law, which marks a significant victory for President Barack Obama who has supported ending the policy.

The move was also praised by gay rights organizations, with Joe Salomonese, president of Human Rights Campaign, saying that "lawmakers today stood on the right side of history," quoted by The Associated Press (AP).

Moreover, there are signs that the measure has broad support from the American public.

A new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey found that 78 percent of the public supports allowing openly gay people to serve in the military, with one in five (20 percent) opposed.

Conservative Family Research Council (FRC) is among those opponents, and it has staged a series of events in Washington in recent weeks to prevent the change from taking place. After the vote, its president Tony Perkins issued a statement saying that "among the casualties of forcing homosexuality on the military will be the religious freedom of those who serve."

The 234-194 House vote was an amendment to a defense spending bill.
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  • CJ

    The only questions one needs to answer are those which effect one’s ability to do a job. Sexual orentation has no basis on doing any job function, therefor should not be asked. There is no need to know, so it shouldn’t be asked. I can’t understand anybody’s need, beyond exploiting the point, to disclose their preference. DA,DT was fine the way is is(was).

    • Robin, Arcadia, IN

      CJ… I agree. Don’t ask; don’t tell worked fine. If it’s not broke, why fix it? So, by abolishing this policy, can gay men shave their legs in the barracks and gay women get their hair burred? What amazing changes are we expected to see?

      • Christopher Baker

        It needs to be fixed because when someone was outed through no fault of their own the lost the opportunity to serve the country like any other citizen. It’s happened several times. Like Deb09 says, Jesus wouldn’t be acting the way most of the respondents to this issue act. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

        • Deb09

          Where does this unfounded fear and hate come from? These people obviously have internet access, why don’t they use it to educate themselves. Oh, that’s right . . . their minds are made up and they don’t want to be confused with facts.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

            What are you saying Deb09 that we should educate ourselves using the internet on anal sex between two men so we will have a more favorable opinion of degenerate behavior?

          • Ann M Szafko

            Deb09, it is not a matter of “fear and hate”, but a natural reponse to an unnatural act, that happesnto be deeply seated in the human lymbic brain: disgust. It can be controlled under peaceful conditions, but in a war zone where violence is part of survival, it WILL cause unforseen reactions.

            Since violent reaction is also in that same area of the brain, we can safely assume that a natural male will react with rage at the sight of a an unnatural sex practicing male whom if one only suspects may not be provocative, but openly rubbing a soldier’s nose into it, may prove to cause unnecessary division among fighting men.

            This is not an issue that should be addressed at war time. the DADT was a genial solution, and should be left alone. Besides, if you think logically, you will have to come to the conclusion, that the vast majority of soldiers are “men’s man”, not panty-waist efiminate human hybrids.

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

          If I am not mistaken The Lord of the Old Testament wiped Sodom and Gamorra off the face of the map becaused of homosexuality. It is not a question of hate. Degenerate behavior should not be legitmized by government. You should keep your nasty habit to yourself. The left seems to have a problem with or as you would say hates it when religion is practiced in public but have no problem with degenerate behavior in public.

          • Americanadian

            Is homosexuality a Sin? Seems that many who study the issue arrives at the same conclusion from all Christian faiths.

            Baptist: Rev Dr. William R. Stayton, Divinity degree from Andover Newtown Theological School and on faculty of LaSalle University’s Grad program in Religious studies: – “There is nothing in the Bible regarding homosexual orientation. In fact, the Bible does not concern itself with sexual orientation. It does speak against gang rape, male prostitution for religious purposes, and pederasty. I lead bible study programs on this subject and am convinced that the Bible does not address the issue of a person’s sexual orientation.”

            Presbyterian: Rev. Dr. George R. Edwards, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus of New Testament Theology at Louisville Presbyterian Seminary – “God does not regard homosexuality as a sin any more than heterosexuality.”

            United Methodist: Bishop Melvin Wheatley, retired after 33 years as pastor and 12 years as bishop of the Denver area. – “The scriptures at no point deal with homosexuality as sexual orientation…Those acts labeled as wrong out of the context of the times in which the writers wrote and perceived those acts to be either idolatrous, exploitative, or pagan. The kind of relationships between two consenting adults of the same sex which are mutual, affirming and fulfilling are not dealt with in the Scriptures. Homosexuality is an authentic condition of being with which some persons are endowed (a gift of God, if you please), not an optional sexual lifestyle which they have willfully, whimsically or sinfully chosen.”

            Catholic: Sister Mary Ann Ford, Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary for 39 years -”Homosexual orientation is set by age five or six..it is not a matter of choice..How then could an all-loving God possibly violate Divine nature and regard homosexuals as sinners?.

            United Church of Christ: Dr. Karen Lebacqz, Ph.D., Professor of Christian Ethics Pacific School of Religion, BS degree in Biblical history from Wellesley College and Masters and Ph.D. in religion from Harvard University – “Scripture speaks negatively about certain behaviors, most notably temple prostitution, not about basic orientation or about loving gay/lesbian relationships. What God DOES regard as a sin is oppression, injustice, persecution, disrespect for persons. This sin, then, is homophobia, gay-bashing, refusal to include lesbian/gay/bisexual people into our churches – that IS a sin.”

            This is just a few of 19 theologians from many denominations quoted in “Is Homosexuality A Sin?” brochure from The Federation of Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays”, all saying the same thing about the false teaching that the bible condemns homosexual behavior as we know it today. The false Church teaching is much more of an abomination and travesty than homosexual behavior.

          • Americanadian

            Sodom and Gomorrah Had Nothing To Do About Homosexuality!

            Some teach that the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah was homosexual. This has no theological support. A careful look at scripture corrects such ignorance.

            Perhaps one of the most misleading term in English is the use of the word sodomy to describe anal penetration and/or male homosexuality. The mere fact of this linguistic development sealed in the minds of many English speaking people that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality. The Church’s false teaching on this issue is an abomination and travesty, not loving homosexuals that are unfairly condemned by this ignorance.

            God appeared to Abraham telling him that he and Sara would have a child and they were going to investigate the wickedness in Sodom & Gomorrah. Thinking God would destroy the cities, Abraham made a deal with God, that He would not destroy the cities if 10 righteous people could be found in Sodom where Abraham’s nephew Lot lived.

            God sends two angels to Sodom, where Abraham’s nephew, Lot, persuades the angels to stay at his home. Genesis 19 records that “all the people from every quarter” surround Lot’s house demanding “to know them”. It was common in those times to use violent and brutal rape as a way to humiliate and establish power over another, not unlike in some prison situations today. It is also done by heterosexual males which is very unnatural for them. This was part of the terrible acts of pederasty, the opposite of today’s loving homosexual natural relationships.

            Lot attempts to protect the visitors sent by God by offering his two virgin daughters to be raped. The people of Sodom refuse them and the angels render the crowd blind. Lot and his family are then rescued by the angels as the cities are destroyed.

            ALL of Sodom’s people participated in the assault on Lot’s house; in no culture has more than a small minority (7-10%) of the population been naturally homosexual. Therefore it can be assumed most of the violators were heterosexual. Lot’s offer to give his daughters suggests he knew the crowd had heterosexual interests – in fact offering young women for sexual hospitality was common. While it is unclear, even if homosexual rape was what the people were after it was do defile the strangers unnaturally

            between mostly heterosexual males against another heterosexual male as in pederasty. This rape attempt has nothing to do with loving, consenting homosexual love but was clearly not the reason for God’s destruction of Sodom.

            Homosexuality can not be called one of the sins of Sodom, Gomorrah or Gilbeah since it is not in any of the lists of their sins given in the O.T. Ezekiel 16:48-50 lists the specific sins of Sodom as pride, plenty, laziness, uncaring for needy, haughty and worshipping idols – which was an abomination – not homosexuality.

            Some try and see in the word “abomination”, a false reference to homosexual activity. This word translated abomination is to’ebah in Hebrew and is frequently found in the Old Testament. If one reads it in context every where it appears it is always connected with idolatry – never homosexuality. Just a few examples are in Deut 7:25-26 where it is the idol used in false worship, Proverbs 21:27 having to do with broader false worship etc. The people of Sodom were involved in idolatry.

            The attempts to stretch “abomination” to “unclean” acts in Leviticus as to mean homosexuality is just as false. That would mean that we would be just as justified to claim that the sin of Sodom was that of shellfish eating, beard trimming or that the sin of Sodom was menstruation on the part of the womenfolk for the same reason.

          • JLC

            Americanadian — Read Leviticus 18:22 (King James Version)

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

            Well Americanidian you have overwhelmed me by information. You are very good at copying and pasting from liberal web sites. That is a lot better than the usual liberal responses such as: you are a biggot, it is George Bush’s fault, you are a racist, you are a hater, because you are a Christian you should not have an opinion different from ours or you are a hipocrite for judging, or Jesus would embrace homosexuality because he did not hate. I think that covers it, but there are some variations.

        • Pat

          Have you even bothered to read “don’t ask, don’t tell”. If you had, you would realize that gays are not barred from military service. It only disallows the same things for everyone and that is the very type of thing being openly gay or lesbian invites and that is sexual liasons in a place where they are not allowed for anyone. And then, we have little breakups and problems associated with sexual liasons that will be the focus of their day instead of the duties people are responsible for. You also have a very large group of people on most ships and at most duty stations who might not appreciate being approached inappropriately since (in spite of this being so important to this president) there are really far fews gays and lesbians than there are straight people.

      • Deb09

        Yet again, someone who relies on fictional stereotypes to keep fear in their heart, and block out love and tolerance. Remember those Christian values you all like to espouse??

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

          Oh you mean the ones that you do not have. It sounds like you hold a lot of hatred and resentment for Christians.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Deb09,
          Until you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that homosexuality is not a choice, and you can’t, I will still be for DADT! By the way, do you know what happens to any soldier that is openly gay when he is captured by a mislim enemy? It’s called beheading, they cut their head off of their sholders! There is also a very good chance all the straight men with him will be executed as well as they will be suspect! Now you are worried about a man losing his military career due to outing not his fault?? What about a straight guy being beheaded because of a gay dur to no fault of HIS own????

          • LeeD

            I can prove that being gay is not a choice. I am gay, I’ve known since I was 6-7 years old, I knew that I was different, as I grew up and my friends started with their boy crushes, I didn’t feel the same way, I knew by time I hit high school AND I Knew. Homosexuality is NOT a choice. Who would choose to get beat-up? Who would choose to be Discriminated against? Not being able to be ourselves.

            As a disabled Desert Storm Veteran(Female), One of the tenents is Honor and Truth, By NOT allowing Gays to serve openly is denying them their Constitutional Rights. NO Where in our Constitution does it say Gays can’t serve, or get married.
            If you read our Constitution, It says we are ALL entitled to the same rights, Laws like DADT, or Prop 8, or even DOMA, all are violations of the Constitution, Especially, The Law concerning the Separation of Church & State, which basically says that NO bills based on Any Religious Beliefs can be made Law.

            Homosexuals are NO different than you are, we have House notes, children, Pay Taxes, Pay bills, etc, etc, etc, But yet We Cannot be Ourselves?, Our real selves? It’s OK to serve and Die for our Country, A Country that denies us basic rights of Pursuit of happiness, I’m just asking you to give this some thought and to open your mind.

    • Richard Pawley

      I wrote one of my Congressional representatives and another who will be running in the fall and told them both that I predict that it will be necessary to re-instate the draft within 36 months if DADT is repealed. Just last week a friend told me of two of his relatives with 6 and 7 years in the Marines who plan to leave if it passes and I have heard from reliable sources that tens of thousands of others will also get out. Sad, really sad, that these people cannot keep their lives to themselves but must parade them around. Just as has happened in foreign armies promotions may depend on having sex with a commanding officer and some on both sides will have to be sacrificed to forward the agenda of those who demand the end of the United States as we have known it and replaced with a Brave New World that ultimately none are going to be happy with. What is it they say, you never appreciate what you have until you loose it. Just last week my 91 year old mom asked me, saying “Aren’t you glad you don’t have any children who have to grow up in what our country is becoming?” I am somewhat a student of the Bible much as most were when this country was founded and I note that it does say that the before the world is finally destroyed for good, that homosexuals will have their day, or as Jesus said, when asked what would be the signs of the end of the world and he said one of them would be that it would be as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah. I mentioned in one of my books the fact that there are some 200,000 ex-gays and lesbians in this country who are considered traitors to the cause because they turned. A better writer than I could write an amazing book on some of their stories, because it was an encounter with the living God who changed them from what is unnatural to what is natural. I’ve had tears in my eyes reading about some of them. Not all are flaming anti-freedom, down with the family, destroy the military, fanatics. Some are decent caring people who would never be out there trying to force themselves on others. However, there are many who are not and if this passes I predict within 36 months because of the socialist Democrats we will have to re-instate the draft, or as an earlier article says, we might get another war going since we have eliminated our manufacturing base and are not likely to have jobs for millions for at least a generation until we can get out of debt if we can get out of debt in any way other that inflating the dollar until it is practically worthless. These truly are “THE LAST DAYS OF THE LATE GREAT UNITED STATES!” as we have known it. Remember to vote in November. It could be the most important vote of your life. Forget about Obama, he is just one man. It is the 111th Congress that must be replaced!

      • Bud

        Where to even start with an epistle of a diatribe such as yours!

        Those big, bad Marines with 6 or 7 years of service can handle the big, bad terrorists, but they can’t handle being around gay guys? Get real. There are in fact gay guys serving with them right now.

        And your figure of “some 200,00 ex-gays and lesbians”–from whose hat was that plucked?

        It’s so amazing to read the screeds posted by people who have yet to be dragged kicking and screaming from the 10th Century BC even to the 20th Century AD.

  • CHUCKY

    It never seems to amaze me how much the Obama administration and Congress have their heads up their asses. Who the #$%^&*() cares about don’t ask don’t tell when the gulf is out of control with an oil spill of epic proportions,(BP is lucky it is a British company or this administration would of already taken over the company.) The border is being invaded by illegals with no plan on helping Arizona citizens. think about this. What is the #1 function that you want your government to do?is it repeal don’t ask don’t tell or is it maybe protect its citizens on U.S. soil from danger of hostile people coming over the border? yes protect its citizens from foreign invaders should be the #1 issue that needs to be addressed. They are more concerned with securing gay voters for November elections Than The safety of the American citizens in Arizona.

  • CHUCKY

    It never seems to amaze me how much the Obama administration and Congress have their heads up their asses. Who the #$%^&*() cares about don’t ask don’t tell when the gulf is out of control with an oil spill of epic proportions,(BP is lucky it is a British company or this administration would of already taken over the company.) The border is being invaded by illegals with no plan on helping Arizona citizens. think about this. What is the #1 function that you want your government to do?is it repeal don’t ask don’t tell or is it maybe protect its citizens on U.S. soil from danger of hostile people coming over the border? yes protect its citizens from foreign

    • http://personalliberty.com DR. D

      You are so right Chuck!!!!!! What about the economy?! What about the deficit?! What about all the things that really matter in this world!This is a very sad time in our history. It’s only going to get worst until people wake up!!!!

      • Kinetic1

        You are assuming that DADT is the only thing being worked on by the government as a whole. If things worked the way you are suggesting, this country would have fallen a hundred years ago. The oil spill and DADT are the issues of the day in the press. If there is a big protest at the border tomorrow, DADT may get pushed back for a day. In the mean time, different committees and departments in our government will be working on dozens of issues that you and may be unaware of. Who’s to say that a task force is not working on the real issue of the Mexican drug wars? Maybe there are discussions going on about dealing with american employers that continue to hire illegals? All these things take time to percolate to the surface.

        As to DADT, consider all the translators we have lost. We are weakening our intelligence services in the middle east just to appease a small group of Americans who have religious issues with homosexuality. These men and women are not going to go around attacking other soldiers. If that is of concern to you, then lets give some attention to the male soldiers who have raped female soldiers. That is a much bigger problem then DADT.

        • http://personalliberty.com DR. D

          I don’t care about gay people. If they want to be gay let them be gay. The problem is what you mention there are to many commitees discussing absolutely nothing. It’s not that difficult people make it difficult. I think you are one of those people who like to make it difficult. I’m I not right!

        • Bud

          What I’ve been wondering about is that, in the midst of all our sensitivities to the feelings of Muslims, why do we send women soldiers into those areas?

    • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

      The answer reasonably simple. It’s all part of a plan by evil people to create a Marxist “New World Order” of one “Western” World Government! I know China, even though they also went Marxist from the Harvard educated and Obama Harvard idol, Mao Tse Tung; I don’t see them becoming to involved politically with America anyhow! Obama likes “Mao” because he was a fellow Harvard graduate, who learned Marxism(anti-messiah, according to Karl Marx himself, there and Obama has the same plan for America! Another reason that Obama picks Mao over Karl Marx is because it would be less likely to upset the Jews, not that they would not be killed afterward, anyway! Even Karl Marx, a Jew who became an anti-messiah believer suggested killing all the Jews even before Hitler ever thought about it)! I’m also thinking that there is the same plan that the weathermen out of Chicago had: Unite the African countries, which make up 70% of the UN, but without veto-power and use Obama’s veto-power to control the Western world, which seems the most likely scenario! In fact, You do remember that Charles Manson in California in the late 60′s took of on these two white guys from Chicago, don’t you? I know from watching Beck on TV that the weathermen out to make blacks rule the whites proved that they put Obama in the White house for this exact purpose and are now in Africa, trying to unite these countries! However, it will not be easy because they tend to hate each other even more than us!

      • hflashman

        Whoa….having a bad day? FYI … Mao didn’t attend any colleges. He had very limited formal education. Where you got the concept Mao was a Harvard graduate is beyond my understanding.

        You might also want a refresher course with your references to Marx and Mao. I think you’re trying to use Marx in mistaken attempts to compare Mao with Leninism.

        I don’t have the space nor time to correct anything more in your post….those there are are lot of errors to address…

    • http://personalliberty PFFFF

      You sure would care about it if it affected you. For those who preach sin please leave “God” out of this. God is used as a front…God said this…God said that…YOU SAID IT and now you are using religion and hide behind it. Yikes!
      Free will!

  • hflashman

    Can the person do the job? That’s the only question…not whether they are gay or straight. It’s time we brought the military out of the Neanderthallic mindset and remind them it’s civilian control, and the civilian society says ‘no more discrimination’. If someone wants to step up and take a bullet for this nation, I’m not going to stand in their way and say no.

    • Robin, Arcadia, IN

      hflashman… If my son is side by side in a fox hole with a gay man, I don’t want him to have to worry that the gay guy is more concerned about his fingernail polish than helping to save the lives of those around him. I honestly don’t know what this changes if anything, but I am concerned for the safety of all.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Apparently, many of us have a much higher opinion of the professionalism of our soldiers than you seem to have. Our military is the best in the world including our homosexual soldiers. The disipline of our soldiers is above reproach. I am surprised that so many people think our military is some sex club.

        Anyway, I want to know who I am serving with rather than wondering who they are.

        • Deb09

          Thank you for adding your voice of reason.

      • Deb09

        You seem to have a backward, stereotypic view of gays. And the “Christian” ranting of those who post anti-gay views here appear to be quite UN-Christian in their thinking. Let those who are without sin cast the first stone!!!

        • Bud

          Amen and amen!!

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Deb09
          Hate the sin (and yes, that is exactly what homosexuality is); love the sinner. Homosexuality is six, nothing more and nothing less. You are bot born with a need to be gay. Our God is perfect and although mankind isn’t, He is clear where He stands concerning homosexuality.

      • Americanadian

        It’s so unbelievable that people like Robin in Arcadia still have such an ignorant view of gay people. Gay doesn’t mean drag queen. Plus – where are you going to find camouflage nail polish in Iraq or Afghanistan. There have always been gay people in the military, as well as all walks of life. Robin, you better hope that if your son is in a foxhole with a gay or straight soldier, that he does his job as well. If you lined up 10 soldiers – 5 gay, 5 straight could you tell. No.

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

          Most are concerned about the barrack where soldiers live in close quarters. In WPB, Florida they covered over the indoor hot tub at the Olympiad because homosexuals were sitting around for hours waiting for men to come out of the shower and stare at their genitals. Men in the military should not have to be subjected to that.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Amerianadian… I am not sure what your point is. I have worked with gay people. I don’t dislike any of them because they are gay. I dislike their lifestyle; my standard is God’s Word, the Bible.

      • http://personalliberty PFFFF

        “…concerned for the safety of all.”???????
        eeehhhhh yeah rriiiigghhtt

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

      Are you planning on serving in the military? If not you should stay out of it. You do not have to associate in an intimate enviroment with this type of people.

      • http://personalliberty PFFFF

        …intimate…ha

  • 45caliber

    If the person does his job, sexual orientation doesn’t ever come up.

    The problem with DADT is that when a gay person does tell, usually by propositioning someone, they can get kicked out of the service.

    The REAL problem is that most gay people see the service as a sex club. There are all these buff people there! But when they start trying to proposition someone, they get annoyed and turn them in.

    What they really want is to be able to proposition someone (and harrass them if necessary) without any adverse affects. They don’t want to get kicked out of the service for it and they don’t want to risk any physical assault when they get persistent. They want to make any such act illegal while they can go on propositioning and harrassing anyone they wish.

    In other words, they are NOT doing their jobs! And we don’t need those in the service. Further, they are more likely to run off good soldiers who ARE doing their jobs.

    Keep DADT. It prevents them from joining a sex club.

    • Deb09

      Gee, I would like to know where you came up with your “facts”? Sexual harrassment is not allowed, ie illegal, in any environment. To believe that being gay is all about having sex, sex, sex, is just wrong headed. I have gay members in my family who are loving, kind human beings, and they don’t run around with their hands on their crotch looking for a place to put their equipment. They struggle to get by, have hopes and aspirations, etc., just the same as you. Get over yourself. (oh, I’m not gay, just fair-minded)

      • Rich Probst

        You are so right on it’s amazing. Keep up the diatribe and perhaps the thinking public will realize that gays are almost never aggressive and only want equal rights and opportunities. If I am ever assaulted by anyone, they will come away hurt.

    • http://personalliberty PFFFF

      That’s like saying all men proposition women and all women proposition men. Wee shouldn’t have any of those in the service either, will that fix it for ya.

    • Bud

      Good grief! One can easily tell where your brain (assuming you have one) is located!

  • Beto Rosales

    The gays will never be happy till their agenda is crammed down our throat. This is just the beggining! The gays wouldn’t want any kind of Christian values brought up but their perverted ways are ok. I hope every one that votes for this corruption of our values are voted our of office. You can make fun of our Christian values but one day when you have to answer, remember your sin.

    • Deb09

      You don’t begin to extoll Christian values in your hate talk. As soon as you are without sin you will then have the right to cast the first stone.

      • Doug Foncree

        She isn’t casting any stones, just reiterating what the Scriptures plainly teach. Homosexuality is an abomination before God. You can make fun of people who believe, but that doesn’t change anything. If you possessed morals greater than an alley cat, you would realize that.

    • http://personalliberty PFFFF

      Shut up with you sin if you believe in free will, let each decide for him/her -self.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Excellent point.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

        Yes we do have free will be meaning we can do anything we want. But there are consequences to our actions. When you cause something there is an effect. History has shown degenerate behavior has been detrimental to society.

        • Doc Sarvis

          So you must believe that two people who love and care for each other display degenerate behavior.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

            The problem is you are trying to disguise the fact that homosexuals partcipate in degenerate behavior. Just using the word gay is an attempt at that. Using the words loving and caring are similar words used to disguise that behavior. If it was about loving and caring there would be no issue.

          • Doc Sarvis

            I am not trying to disguise anything. I think the problem is that we disagree on whether homosexulality between two willing people is degenerate or not. I do not think it is. I know a number of excellent people from both the heterosexual and the homosexual population. Excellence, intellegence, morality, and courage are among the common traits from both groups that I am proud to know.

          • Doc Sarvis

            And what they consentually do in the bedroom is not my business or my concern.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

            What they do in private would not be anybodies business except for the fact that they are trying to make it other peoples business by the repeal of DADT. That is the whole point. No one would even be talking about it otherwise. Living is easy with your eyes closed. You know some conservative homosexuals and you hold out them out as an example. Many are liberal and flaunt their livestyle which is what people are objecting to. It is one part of many of a dwindling spiral we are seeing in society. More than likely homosexuals will win out sooner or later. But for many of us we feel it an obligation to ourselves and to society to try to stop it.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Bruce D.
            Heterosexuals flaunt their lifestyle as well.

  • Deb09

    I am amazed at how many of you extoll Christian values in a very Un-Christian way. I always find that the ones who are the loudest and most obnoxious about defending their “Christian” values are the least Christian among us. You have all worked with gays in your lives without even knowing it. Gays comprise up to 10% of our population, get over it. Where is the Christian love and tolerance that should be in your heart!!

    • Americanadian

      You hit the nail on the head, Deb. When people share their thoughts in such a negative manner, the words they’ve chosen characterize their true self. I’m still trying to figure out what this ‘Gay Agenda’ is all about. I’m a gay man and don’t have an agenda. Also, I’m married to a man. It’s legal for everyone here in Canada. Traditional marriage happens as well. It’s just not a big deal up here. The fabric of the family, for some reason, is still intact. And also, I think God is great!
      Peace to all!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Canadian,
        you are not here in the states so stay the he!! out of our politics! Worry about your own problems! And you have quite a few as well!

        • Bud

          Isn’t the Canadian military also involved in these wars? And who died and appointed you God to decide who can speak and who cannot? That’s a very un-Christian attitude.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Bud,
            When he’s in the Canadian military serving with our troops then I’ll look to him for his opine he isn’t and I’m not!!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Joe H.
            I, for one, do want to hear opinions other than my own.

        • Americanadian

          I’m an American citizen living in Canada. I’m allowed to keep up with what going on in my home country, as well as the rest of the world.

          Your reaction to my comment is one of the reasons why many people think Americans are arrogant ——. We’re not, but sometimes we jump to conclusions.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Canadian,
            then you changed your story from about a couple of months ago! You said you are now a canadian citizen.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

      That is the point. We worked with them without knowing it. That is all the military wants is to not know it. I am amazed on how many Christian biggots like yourself that bring Christianity up all the time when making a case for degenerate behavior.

  • Charlie

    What did Hoover, Truman, and Eisenhower have in common?
    Here is something that should be of great interest for you to pass around.
    I didn’t know of this until it was pointed out to me.
    Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the
    deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American
    citizens that desperately needed work..
    Harry Truman deported over two million Illegal’s after WWII to create jobs for returning veterans.
    And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million
    Mexican Nationals! The program was called ‘Operation Wetback’. It was
    done so WWII and Korean Veterans would have a better chance at jobs.
    It took 2 Years, but they deported them!
    Now… if they could deport the illegal’s back then – they could sure do it today.
    lf you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter Operation
    Wetback into your favorite search engine and confirm it for yourself.
    Reminder:
    Don’t forget to pay your taxes…
    12 million Illegal Aliens are depending on you!

    • http://personalliberty PFFFF

      Wrong blog…as long as they are hired by U.S. companies they will continue to cross borders.

  • mehoward

    I am always amazed at most of you quoting the Bible when you feel that
    you are right. No where in the Bible does it say that we should tolerate sin. It would make me so happy that all of you that quote the Bible would actually read it so that you can quote it truthfully.
    There is actually 2 Bible verses in the Bible that talks about this
    sin. Read Roman’s Chapter one verses 26 and 27. Dear Lord if any of these have not come to you for soul salvation please convict them of their sins so they can repent and come to you and be saved. Amen meh

    • Kinetic1

      And it amazes me how often you “true Christians” pick and choose your sins. Yes, Leviticus 18:22 says it’s an abomination, but what about 21:7 (selling daughters as slaves,) 35:2 (killing those who work on the Sabbath,) 11:10 (eating shell fish) or 11:6-8 (touching the skin of a dead pig.)

      Times change and so do our interpretations of the bible. We look back at ideas like avoiding the use of 2 fabrics as quaint and justify avoidance of pork as having to do with the health issues of the time. So do you avoid everything in Leviticus? Have you killed your neighbors for blaspheming? Are you worried about answering for these sins?

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

      It was just on the news today that Saudi Arabia lashes, puts in prison, or kills people for homosexual behavior. No one is talking about that here. We are only saying keep your filthy habits to yourself.

      • Kinetic1

        No, you are saying “I don’t approve of people like you and I want to pretend you aren’t here.” No one is saying that a gay man should have the right to harass other soldiers any more than a male soldier should be able to harass a female. No one, heterosexual or homosexual is allowed to rape and harass without repercussion. It’s not a question of personal conduct, the point is that we are asking these soldiers to hide their lives away. When a group of soldiers are talking about home, the gay soldier is told that he can’t say anything that might give him away. Even if 9 out of 10 these soldiers aren’t concerned about the fact that he has a boyfriend at home, he has to worry that he might let it slip. Even if he is the most decorated soldier in the platoon, if he says “him” instead of “her” when talking about a letter from home, out he goes.

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

          I think you are wrong about that. There was just a story on the news today where a homosexual wanted to admit he was homosexual and he was told he did not have to admit or say it as a warning. No one is going out of thei way to kick homosexuals out of the military. But you are right about one thing I do not approve of that lifestyle and do not want to legitimize degenerate behavior.

          • Stefano

            I love it when you say “degenerate.” It’s a meaningless label intended only to make you feel superior to another group of people. Whites called blacks degenerate for centuries – some (perhaps you?) still do. In any case, I suppose that you and your girlfriend or wife (assuming of course that you have one) ALWAYS have sexual relations using the missionary position and that your motive to have sex is only to procreate? After all, the Bible and the pope label all other sexual acts as being “degenerate.” So stop being so judgmental. The issue here is not that a gay or lesbian cannot seve well and honorably in the armed forces; it’s that you and many others on this site (whom I’d call degenerate if I were so inclined) can’t deal with your own issues regarding sexual matters.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

            To Stefano:
            If indeed you are correct in your assumption that becauase I used the word degenerate I may preform a degenerate act also then I should be labeled someone who is detrimental to society. I have no problem with that but if I did I would at least have the descency not to try to get you to condone it.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Kinetic1,
          you say that it won’t increase harrasment by gays? I hope not as we had a lady on here the other day that told how the female gays were always harrassing her trying to get her in bed! Yes, I pray that it doesn’t increase it! I myself had a gay proposition me in full class A uniform in the toledo bus station in 1971 and I knocked him on his azz. When the cops came and found out what happened, they told him if you were stupid enough to put yourself in that situation then you were given what you deserved!!! I WAS IN FULL DRESS UNIFORM!!! That is how stupid some of them are!!!

          • Bud

            Didn’t anyone ever teach you how to just say “No, thank you”?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            bud,
            did anyone ever teach you pride in the uniform you wear and the country it represents?? probably couldn’t get behind it!!

    • JLC

      Mehoward — A second reference is Leviticus 18:22

  • bobinpa.

    The Homosexual lifestyle is WRONG, Period. No ifs, ands , buts, or maybes. If these Clowns that are trying to legalize HOMOMSEXUALITY in our Armed Forces have their way, it will be the demise of the greatest Military the world has ever known. I am Retired USMC. I am telling you, Mullen, Gates, etc etc, KEEP your SIITHOOKS off the U.S. Military. This Closet Muslim in the White House has HURT America deeply in the pastr 18 Months. He is not qualified to make a decision one way or the other. If These CLOWNS do decide to make “Butt-Whole Bandits” Legal. They MUST allow those who want to be released from active duty the day they do to do so. It’s about time the FEELINGS of the MAJORITY were taken into consideration. NO HOMOSEXUALITY in the MILITARY. PERIOD.

    • http://personalliberty PFFFF

      You don’t impress me much…blah, blah, blah.

    • Bud

      Well, you’re a couple of centuries too late for that.

    • Doc Sarvis

      There have always been homosexuals in the military. They are brave defenders of this nation along with the heterosexuals they serve beside.

  • DAVE SODEN

    THE ONLY THING I CAN SEE HAPPENING IS MORE GAYS AND LESBIANS WILL DIE IN COMBAT!!! CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.

    • http://personalliberty PFFFF

      The same can be said for non gays/lesbians or do they not die in your utopian world.

  • Cris

    This is more a issue of endorsing a “behavior”…One is NOT born gay. It is by now well-established that the rate of pedophilia is orders of magnitude higher among homosexuals than among straights. Even though homosexuals comprise perhaps two percent of the population, they are responsible for more than a third of all instances of child sexual abuse. The same pattern occurred among the Nazis.
    Entrance to potential recruits are denied and existing service people are prosecuted for all sorts of behaviors that are incompatible with unit cohesion and military readiness. The Uniformed Code of Military Justice prohibits numerous behaviors that are not criminal offenses in civilian life (including adultery, fraternization and gambling with a subordinate), yet never once was anyone excused for their behavior by claiming that’s “who they are” which is the arrgument of gays …

    • Bud

      One who is truly gay IS born gay, whether you like it or not.

      And just how often are there witch hunts to weed out all the adulterers?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        bud,
        Proof? Facts now, not just opine!! Oh and not some progressive site either!!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        bud,
        Well???

  • Stefano

    Whenever these discussions arise I’m reminded that the United States, while it was theoretically founded on freedom of (and from) religion, was populated by a great many religous zealots including the Puritans. The people currently opposing repeal of DADT are merely mouthing the mantras their Puritans (among others) did long ago. The idea that every homosexual is likely to engage in inappropropriate behavior under all situations (including when under enemy fire) is ludicrous, as is he idea that gays (in foxholes or elsewhere) are more obsessed with nail polish than they are working toward the success of their mission. The fact is (and military leaders realize this even if uninformed commentators don’t) that DADT has resulted in a DECREASE in military readiness because it has resulted in the discharge of hundreds (perhaps thousands) of qualified people, including individuals who are fluent in Arabic. And to respond to one person – these people were not discharged because they propositioned others – - – if a prolem exists in this arena is relates to heterosexual men propositioning (and worse – sexually assualting) female soldirs. The hysteria in this country about gays serving in the military does not exist in any other civilized country in the world – only in places like Iraq, Iran, and totalitarian regimes. People in the US need to grow up and get over their preconceived prejudices. Lawmakers need to belly up to the bar and do what’s right rather than pander to the ignorant.

    • Palin12

      So what color is YOUR nail polish, sweetie?

    • http://?? Joe H.

      stefano,
      show me where in the constitution it says freedom from religeon!! It says freedom OF religeon not FROM!!!!

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

      Actually our country was founded on freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. People wanted the right to openly practice their religion in public no matter what that belief was. Only recently has there been an all out assault to reverse that. References to God are everywhere including the Bill of Rights which is an inconvienent truth to most on the left.

  • Cris

    Retired Marine General John Sheehan testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee on March 18 of this year that, based on his actual experience as NATO commander, allowing gays to serve openly in the military does in fact cause problems with unit cohesion and morale.

    In his estimation, the efforts of European armies to include open homosexuals in their ranks, and the social engineering that accompanies it, has made their armies less prepared for war. Speaking specifically of the army of the Netherlands, he said that admitting homosexuals into its ranks was one of the things that “led to a force that was ill-equipped to go to war,” and resulted in an “under-strength” and “poorly led” battalion which was no match for the Serbian army. As a result, Dutch soldiers were handcuffed to light poles and 8,000 Muslims were marched off to brutal deaths, which represented, according to Gen. Sheehan, “the largest massacre in Europe since World War II.”

    • Bud

      Isn’t that the army that has rules which prevent fighting after dark? So all their problems MUST be because, gasp!, horrors!, there are gay soldiers.

  • Cris

    Homosexual activists have made five basic arguments that fall apart upon closer
    examination. In summary: 1) Everyone can serve in some way, but there is no “civil right” to
    serve in the military. 2) Polls of civilians who have little understanding of the military are not
    as credible as surveys of military personnel showing consistently strong support for the 1993
    law. 3) The small, dissimilar militaries of 25 of 200 foreign nations that do not have the same
    military obligations─none of which have adopted the extreme agenda being proposed for our
    military─are not role models for America’s forces.

    Furthermore, 4) Consistently small numbers and percentages of people discharged due to
    homosexuality contradict any claim that a national security emergency exists. 5) Human interest
    stories highlighting problems that former military people encountered due to the expendable
    “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” administrative policy do not justify repeal of the 1993 Eligibility Law
    that Congress actually passed.
    Charts summarizing the consequences of replacing Section 654, Title 10 with
    the proposed new “LGBT Law” and more information is available from the Center for Military
    Readiness at http://www.cmrlink.org.

  • Kinetic1

    WHERE do you get your “facts”. There is no accepted scientific research to back this up. The only “scientists” I hear suggesting this are those in the Family Research Council report, a report that has been easily discredited for it’s questionable use of research. Also, “pedophilia” is a mental disorder that refers to those attracted to prepubescent children as sexual partners. “Child Molestation” refers to the act of having sex with a minor and may have no connection to pedophilia. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles, but there is evidence that pedophiles are likely to have no sexual preference as long as the victim is a child.

    This argument is just another ignorant attack against those who are different. (Hey! Did you know that Jews sacrificed Christian children in the middle ages? )

  • Cris

    from William Shirer’s classic work, “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.”
    Check out “Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers”
    David Riegel, the author of the book, is described as the principal moderator on an Internet site about the issues covered in the book. He says that men who want man-boy love relationships are “sincere, concerned, loving human beings who simply have – and were probably born with – a sexual orientation that is neither understood nor accepted by most others.”

  • Cris

    German historian Lothar Machtan cites extensive documentation of Hitler’s own homosexuality, including military records, memoirs of soldiers who served with Hitler, and police records from the early 1920s.

  • JerryH

    I’m not a gay basher or gay hater. I believe God loves all mankind, but He is the One who said it is an “abomination” to practice such indecent behavior, not the Christian people. They are only reciting the truth from His holy Word. And I’m getting tired of the gay retoric that constantly claims Christians are intolerant. It is the gays who are intolerant of Christians, not vice-versa! Christians are only trying to help them get out of such a deviant life-style for their own good. As for gays in the military, no one is saying that “all” gays are going to be seeking to do their thing with straight people. But as a former soldier, I can tell you that I would be sleeping with one eye open if I knew that someone openly gay was in my barracks. It only takes one of them with bad behavior to ruin it for the rest. No one is saying that gays cannot do their job as a soldier either. They do jobs in all walks of life, and usually do them well, and there are probably several in the military who are doing them secretly now and no one even notices the difference. But anyone with a lick of common sense can see that this new law will cause a great number of straight men to exit the military enmasse and cause a great deal of problems which soldiers don’t need to be focusing on. Their undivided attention must always be on the actual enemy, not some preconceived enemy within. As for our country, God will judge it for allowing such immoral behavior to be sanctioned by the government. Yes, a lot of other immoral behavior takes place behind closed doors already, and God judges individuals for that, but when the government sanctions it, then it is the whole country who gets judged for voting such immoral men and women into office. May God grant us wisdom to govern our people in such a way that pleases Him, not caters to the immoral few.

    • Bud

      “And I’m getting tired of the gay retoric that constantly claims Christians are intolerant.”
      ————————————-
      THEN QUIT BEING INTOLERANT.

    • Americanadian

      Is homosexuality a Sin? Seems that many who study the issue arrives at the same conclusion from all Christian faiths.

      Baptist: Rev Dr. William R. Stayton, Divinity degree from Andover Newtown Theological School and on faculty of LaSalle University’s Grad program in Religious studies: – “There is nothing in the Bible regarding homosexual orientation. In fact, the Bible does not concern itself with sexual orientation. It does speak against gang rape, male prostitution for religious purposes, and pederasty. I lead bible study programs on this subject and am convinced that the Bible does not address the issue of a person’s sexual orientation.”

      Presbyterian: Rev. Dr. George R. Edwards, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus of New Testament Theology at Louisville Presbyterian Seminary – “God does not regard homosexuality as a sin any more than heterosexuality.”

      Catholic: Sister Mary Ann Ford, Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary for 39 years -”Homosexual orientation is set by age five or six..it is not a matter of choice..How then could an all-loving God possibly violate Divine nature and regard homosexuals as sinners?.

      United Church of Christ: Dr. Karen Lebacqz, Ph.D., Professor of Christian Ethics Pacific School of Religion, BS degree in Biblical history from Wellesley College and Masters and Ph.D. in religion from Harvard University – “Scripture speaks negatively about certain behaviors, most notably temple prostitution, not about basic orientation or about loving gay/lesbian relationships. What God DOES regard as a sin is oppression, injustice, persecution, disrespect for persons. This sin, then, is homophobia, gay-bashing, refusal to include lesbian/gay/bisexual people into our churches – that IS a sin.”

      United Methodist: Bishop Melvin Wheatley, retired after 33 years as pastor and 12 years as bishop of the Denver area. – “The scriptures at no point deal with homosexuality as sexual orientation…Those acts labeled as wrong out of the context of the times in which the writers wrote and perceived those acts to be either idolatrous, exploitative, or pagan. The kind of relationships between two consenting adults of the same sex which are mutual, affirming and fulfilling are not dealt with in the Scriptures. Homosexuality is an authentic condition of being with which some persons are endowed (a gift of God, if you please), not an optional sexual lifestyle which they have willfully, whimsically or sinfully chosen.”

      This is just a few of 19 theologians from many denominations quoted in “Is Homosexuality A Sin?” brochure from The Federation of Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays”, all saying the same thing about the false teaching that the bible condemns homosexual behavior as we know it today. The false Church teaching is much more of an abomination and travesty than homosexual behavior.

      • libertytrain

        Americanadian – While I may get slapped around for this, and frankly, that’s ok, I do not believe that homosexuality in MOST cases is a choice but is rather a genetic or biological issue. There have been homosexual people throughout time. In some Indian cultures, if I remember correctly, they were revered. There are animals that are “gay” – I own one! And I saw no evidence that he chose his sexual preferences. (smile) — I do believe DADT should be left pretty much as is unless a vote of the soldiers themselves opt to change it. But that’s my opinion.

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

          You could make the same case for alcoholism. You can make that same case for any compulsion but just because it is compulsive does not make it healthy for a society to condone it. Actually just the opposite is true.

  • Cris

    Historian Frank Rector writes of a film made by the SS “that was secretly made for the enjoyment of a select coterie of Nazis showing a wild drunken orgy of beautiful boys and handsome young men being whipped, raped and murdered by the SS.”

    Even today in America, it is chic in some homosexual circles for individuals to wear replicas of Nazi Germany uniforms, complete with iron crosses, storm trooper outfits, military boots and even swastikas.

    Some parts of the American Nazi movement are explicitly homosexual. The National Socialist League, in fact, at last word restricts its membership to homosexual Nazis.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Bruce D.

      Those on the right are against fascism and socialism so why would you bring that into the argument. The Nazi SS were degenerates for their disregard of human life. I am not and experert on Nazis but I would guess that you are taking one incident and blowing it out of proportion. It is hardly unlikely there was rampant homosexuality among Nazis then or now as this would be the first I have ever heard such a thing. Most homosexuals are good at twisting the facts.

  • Palin12

    I hope everyone realizes Elena Kagan is gay as a three dollar bill. Think of the ramifications!

    • Americanadian

      I thought about the ramifications. I couldn’t come up with any. As long as she follows the law. That’s what matters, not where her heart is lead by love.

      • Palin12

        I’ll make it easy for you. The ramification is she could have a say in overturning dozens of states that have outlawed homosexual marriage.

        • Bud

          She would be a bit late to the table. Read the 14th Amendment. Assuming it was actually ratified by the requisite number of states (and there is some doubt about that), does the phrase EQUAL PROTECTION mean anything to you?

        • Americanadian

          How would it effect your life personally if everyone had the right to marry one adult person of their choosing? I’m an American living in Canada where marriage is legal for every consenting adult. The fabric of the family has not fallen apart because gay people can marry. Since 50% of all heterosexual marriages in the states end in divorce, I feel that gay people having the right to marry one another is the least of your worries. It’s sad that those who can marry, make a mockery of it. Also, gay marriage is just not a bid deal here in Canada. People appear to be concerned about more important matters.

          • Palin12

            Waaaa….this is so unfair….waaaah. I want to marry my dog, is that ok with you? Waaaaaa…..and I want my car to be my best man. Waaaa…it’s not hurtin anybody.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Palin12,
            you are a real chuckle today!!! Keep em’ commin’!!!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Palin12
            “it’s not hurtin anybody”. I’ll let your dog decide that.

          • Palin12

            Doc
            “one night I came home drunk and my dog started humping my leg. I was so drunk I kinda liked it”…..Rodney Dangerfield

          • Laura Schlegel

            I’m gald Canadians are more sophisticated about gay rights. The reason it’s becoming a big deal here is we are losing highly qualified men & women, whom are willing to lay their live on the line to get US out of these wars as responsibly as possible, just because they are gay! Children are commiting suicide because they are gay! People have been and are disenfranchised to abused because they are gay!

  • http://charter howe

    I honestly believe what CHUCKY (Blog above) said. Given we have two wars, and epic Gulf oil spill, illegals invading Arizona and other border states and financial deficit problems which will destroy the America we know and love and then these imbeciles spend time dealing with don’t ask, don’t tell to capture the gay vote in Nov 2010. Isn’t this the hypocrisy and the radical liberal ideology that Obama has come to stand for. There seems to be no priority on jobs bills and securing the border which is hugely more important than the gay rights bill and the Dodd financial farce bill. I realize the gay population wants the Congress to bring the bill to the floor for passage yesterday, but I think the very critical issues should have priority on the floor of the Senate and the House. Somebodies lifestyle is not going to doom the Republic although there will be unintended consequences that will result when the military people have to deal with a new model of EOT for gays. The military is not ready for this kind of change because co-ed practices and ideology change will be awkward. A soldier may have a deep religious belief that he believes he needs to take him through a battle scenario. If all of a sudden the govt violates his religious belief system by allowing an openly gay person to share his room, foxhole or mission, he may no longer want to be part of the operation which results in mission failure. For all the idiots in Congress and the Whitehouse who thinks this is OK, I want you’ll to know from my experience, the men must want to voluntarily give up their life for the belief system they each and everyone expects to stand up for. I spent 29 years on active duty and there is no way that this legislation will be accepted by the majority of military people without them being under duress to comply and get the job done. I was a chief for 10 years and in my many and varied experiences there was never a situation with race relations or anything else rarely came up especially when the mission was in high gear. This will drive many of the brightest and best warriors right out of the military and it will no longer be a lifetime retirement prospect for many of the best military managers. I can honestly say that this Commander-in-chief and his circle of corrupt liberals are making a huge mistake by pushing this legislation to get the gay vote. When you are gay you have a cross to carry, because it is a very personal and distasteful ideology for many to accept and that would in the case of the military cost us on the battlefied. That is not equal and fair justice for the majority, it is social justice which is not the same thing and means that a minority gets to indulge their way of life on everyone else. The miltary people are locked into a three or four year enlistment or longer and no longer have the courtesy of their private space being always respected. What I see happening is that a draft will have to be instituted to enlist warm bodies to go fight for our country. I just hope and pray that you’ll will vote these lame brains out of office in Nov 2010 and 2012. This problem should be decided by the military people and I don’t mean the ass kissing Generals. Please give your do nothing Congress a yell, please.

    • Stefano

      What do you mean when you say, “To get the gay vote?” Gays constitute somewhere around 5% to 10% of the population at most and we have no choice but to vote Democrat as a rule even though Democrat candidates have promised us the world and rarely delivered. But didn’t you even read the article? More than 70% of the US population (and this includes people serving in the military by the way) believes that gays should be able to serve openly in the armed forces and most of the top military brass concur with this. These people are hardly the “ass-kissers” you make them out to be – most in fact have served in fox-holes in their time. Further, gays serve openly in every other civilized country in the world. If you’re going to bloviate, at least get your facts “straight.”

      • Bud

        Stefano, while you have the better of the discussion with howe…

        howe is probably operating under the assumption that the majority of those in the military are from the 30% of the population opposed to this idea. And those in the military are probably from the more conservative part of the population.

        However, there is this little thing called civilian control. The military is controlled by the president and congress, who pass and sign the laws under which the military operates. If bringing back the draft is required, so be it.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Bud,
          Hate to tell you but you just proved that all you say is one BIG LIE!!! you want all these rights for gays saying you want equal rights yet you champion the draft, taking away the right of others to say no I don’t think I want to serve! I’m against the draft as it sometimes can get an inferior soldier that has a big chip on his sholder that they MADE him serve! They can and have gotten good men killed and have participated in fragging!

  • DaveysNavy

    I find it quite ironic that all these people who have no problem with homos and lezzies in the service have actually never served ahem Bill Clinton , Nobama……liberalism has attacked the armed services in a most viscious way in the name of civil rights….theres a reason why they seperate men and ladies…can anyoe guess? Traditionally they are attracted to each other and you just may cause sexual tension thereby undermining the ability we neeed to do our job well….I have slept with sailors with knves under their pillow…I’ve seen first hand what happens…and it’s not pretty…..and you know whats coming….the transexual mafia making their demands to congress….so repeal the DADT…to when i was in when they actually had the balls to ask me if I was gay…..besides when the next draft arrives the wussies cant claim their gayness to get out of serving

  • ONTIME

    Any who give the Deemers credit for aptitude are sadly mistaken, this is just anoher of their serious blunders and inability to listen to the majority of the nations voters. The elite Deemers couldn’t leave well enough alone.

    For those of the gay persuasion, you may as well have a target painted on you and for those hetrosexual whatever your religious upbringing or your dissuasion of accepting the gay point of view and acommodating the arrangements for their presence, your first amendment rights are no longer important.

  • Laura Schlegel

    Sexual intimacy between consenting adults is their personal business. The only thing I find abhorrent or perverted are those that interfere.

  • Boo Ewald Taylor

    I could care less about one’s sexual orientation as long as you do your job.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Canadian,
    WOW!!! What good facts!!!!

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