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Concealed Weapons Bill Closer To Reality In Arizona

April 13, 2010 by  

Concealed weapons bill closer to reality in Arizona Lawmakers in the Arizona House of Representatives have adopted a bill that, if signed by the state’s governor, will allow people to carry concealed weapons without a permit, making the currently required background checks and classes unnecessary.

The bill was passed in a 36-19 vote, and if Governor Jan Brewer signs it, as some commentators expect she will, Arizona will join Alaska and Vermont as the only three states that do not require permits to carry concealed weapons. Two states ban them altogether, and the remaining 45 require such permits.

In response to critics who say this may increase access to guns for law-breakers, Republican Representative David Gowan, one of the sponsors of the bill, said that "what’s dangerous is when they’re [only] in criminals’ hands, not citizens’ hands."

The vote comes as Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC), a support organization, is winding down its week-long protest against laws and policies banning licensed concealed guns on school premises.

According to SCCC, during the five-day event college students across America strapped on empty holsters in an act of silent protest.
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  • benny basnight

    Most everyone in Ariz. can carry a gun out in the open now. I think it’s a good thing any time the Gov. gets out of our life.

    • Chess

      What are you, stupid? You want people to just be able to purchase and use concealed weapons without any paperwork? You -want- to go to public places and (1) not know which people are carrying guns and (2) not have barriers for people to carry concealed weapons? You -like- feeling unsafe?

      • Richard

        While as a Libertarian I think this is great, I still have concerns. Not because I think they shouldn’t enact the law, but because we have had several generations of citizens who have not been brought up knowing how to properly use a firearm. A couple of bad accidents could force lawmakers to repeal the law or worse.

        Requiring a basic 8 hour firearm safety class is not unreasonable.

        • JC

          Also as a Libertarian I agree Richard. People are required to pass a test to drive a car because they could potentially kill someone with it. I think the same principle can be morally applied to firearms.

        • obiwan

          As a CC permit holder I agree with you Richard. The classes need to be mandatory. You must be familiar with the various laws in your state and surrounding states concerning deadly defense and CC. There are going to be a large number of people surprised when they end up in jail on various charges for defending themselves and any judge will
          tell you, ignorance of the law is no excuse. There will also be a number of incidents where a carrier goes “Cowboy” and a abuses his
          rights.

          • http://personalliberty.com DR. D

            Judges in this country are part of the problem!

        • JeffH

          Richard, I agree and have no problem with a requirement to certify or prove proficiency. I had to take a hunter’s saftey course, which included saftey and gun handling training, to get a hunting license and in California. I am now required to take a test to get a $25- 5yr license to purchase a handgun (which I don’t like).
          Safety should always be first and foremost in the mind of anyone that handles a firearm, no matter how much experience one has.

      • carl

        stupid?? not really. i would much rather be around honest citizens with guns and not know it then also not know which crazy is going to start shooting. remember “luby’s” in texas? no gun’s allowed in resturants. opppss. i guess someone forgot to tell the shooter. too bad there hadnt been one honest citizen armed. oh well. at least some states are waking up. the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. the police come along later.

        • Autumn Odette

          If there had been an “honest” citizen toting a gun in the Luby’s at the time of the masacre, one would have to hire a Medium in order to speak with them now, wouldn’t one? :)

      • Winchester Steele

        God created man and woman, but Sam Colt made them equal. You can also say that for criminals and victims. And the worst possible situation of all would be for only governments to have guns.

        Study the crime statistics for Vermont and Massachusetts to get some indication of whether “unrestricted concealed carry” makes the general public safer or more at risk of serious crime.

      • JC

        Wow Chess, that’s a genuinely hysterical reaction to a very good idea.
        NOT KNOWING who has a gun is exactly the best possible way to deter criminals. And you’ll find that societies that allow gun ownership are very polite societies.

        • Ellen

          Right on! My uncle use to tell about the Near East and a person could leave a wheel Barrel full of money and rather than lose their hand – people would leave it alone. OUR worry is to WATCH the goverment greedies, control them!!

      • TroyDawg

        Chess you have got to be kidding right? DO you know when a criminal has a gun? outlaw guns and only the criminals will have them. I include the liberal government along with the criminals.

        • Mike In MI

          TroyDawg -
          I like your thinking TroyD. Why not just put it “other criminals”?

        • benny basnight

          Troy…check out HB 1388. This will bum you out. 20 million for Hamas to migrate to the US. More liberal BS. I just hope we can save our country before it’s to late.

      • JeffH

        Chess, you’re already putting words in benny basnight mouth Words that he didn’t say and a typical liberal manuever.
        Wouldn’t you prefer to play “CHESS” on an equal level with a ceiminal? Criminals would prefer to cheat and play “CHESS” on an unequal level
        I realize that you can’t understand that scenario and I certainly don’t expect you to agree. I can only hope that you could somehow see the logic.

        • spooky_t

          Now, see? That’s where you’ve made the mistake. Liberals don’t really understand logic.
          The difference between liberals and conservatives is that they only “feel” – conservatives “feels”, but, we don’t allow our feelings to inhibit/negate our “thinking.”

        • http://?? Joe H.

          JeffH,
          Can we please get this law in Ohio????? Please!!!!

          • JeffH

            I’m moving to Arizona…goodbye Cali…

      • Al Sieber

        I would like to see all these liberals and communists come out here to Arizona and try to live in the rural areas unarmed, with thousands of illegal aliens pouring over our borders every day. these people rob, rape, murder, kidnap etc. don’t the citizens have a right to protect themselves? the govt. won’t. the governors of the border states are calling for the citizens to arm themselves. Obama won’t do anything, Bush wouldn’t either. wait until Obama gives them amnesty, their debating that now. I can’t understand people denying anyone the right to defend themselves. 15- thousand people were murdered along the U.S.-Mexico border last year. if you don’t liked it move to Red China.

        • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

          This post is especially for the American Liberal aka “Nano-Wit” and others like him who CLAIM that O’Liar and his liberal socialists henchmen in congress have no intention of taking anybodies guns away, and in no way intend on infringing on our 2nd amendment rights. If that’s true Nano-Wit, then why did they write these? It appears this is proof that you have LIED AGAIN, but then we all expect lying from your Liberal socialist kind!

          Anti-gun bills congress has in the pipe:

          *** The Disarming American Citizens Act — H.R. 2159 the so-called “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009″ — allowing anti-gun Attorney General Eric Holder to revoke the Second Amendment rights of ANY American he chooses based on pure “suspicion;”

          *** A new so-called “Assault Weapons” Ban, targeting ALL semi-automatic rifles and shotguns — which, unlike the Clinton ban, will NEVER expire;

          *** H.R. 45, the “Catch-All” Obama Gun Control Bill, which would create a national gun registry, require a two-day waiting period, hike taxes on gun sales, federally ban ALL private firearms sales and FORCE you to take a written exam just to prove you’re “fit” to own a firearm;

          *** The U.N.’s “Small Arms Treaty,” which would confiscate and destroy ALL “unauthorized” civilian firearms and set the stage for INTERNATIONAL gun confiscation. Recently, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said, “The United States is committed to actively pursuing a strong and robust [small-arms] treaty.

          • Mike In MI

            Thanks Stephaan -
            Once Hillary brings U.N. “Small Arms Treaty” home, the Senate is the only body that needs to pass on it. Then, it goes direct to the obama for his signature. Then, hand in your guns, no recourse.

          • JeffH

            H.R. 2159: Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009
            Introduced Apr 29, 2009
            Jun 12, 2009: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.
            Supported by Bloomberg’s billions and his org. Mayors Against Illegal Guns

            H.R. 45, This is a fringe bill with no co-sponsors that has virtually zero chance of becoming law. For more background on why there are bills in Congress like this one that are essentially dead on arrival.

            Latest Actions

            Feb 9th Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.
            Feb 9th Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.
            Jan 6th Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Jeff;
            That’s good news about H.R. 45, if in fact it is D.O.A.

            The problem with H.R. 2159 if it passes, is the power it gives AG Eric Holder to put anyone he wishes on the terrorist list
            Examples:
            * TEA party members
            * Right wingers who exercise their 1st amendment rights (even though they have broken no laws)
            * Anyone who has been vocal against the Obama care bill.
            * Anyone who comes out against their amnesty bill.
            * Returning military vets. I’m sure you remember the dust up over this one in the last 6 months.
            * Anyone and everyone that he/they consider a right wing extremists, including, but not limited to, people who frequent and make posts on conservative sites, such as this one. There was news that O’Liar and his minions are monitoring facebook and YOU Tube. How long before they start cruising smaller ones like Glenn Beck and Bob Livingston.
            It’s not about terrorism, but rather about anybody that is against them politically getting put on the list as a “potential” terrorist. They don’t have to prove that you are…They only have to suspect that you could possibly be because of things you might have said, or because of your “political or cultural profile”.

            As far as the explosives portion of the bill: It’s already extremely difficult to get explosives NOW, and has been for years. I wanted some dynamite years ago to blow out some tree stumps, and the red tape and hoops I had to jump through made it too time consuming and pointless. I figured they will rot faster than I would be able to get the paperwork and permits. I think the explosives part was just added to the bill to make is look “sensible” to “some” people so they wouldn’t be so against the guns portion of it.
            When you get right down to it, IF THE GOVERNMENT WOULD KEEP THE FRICKIN TERRORISTS OUT OF THE USA, THEY WOULDN’T HAVE TO PASS STUPID LAWS LIKE THIS. They could CLOSE THE BORDERS, and gain more than these bills.
            I think it’s all just a ruse to disarm the unsuspecting public, rather than the terrorists. After all, “anti-terrorism” sells a lot better than “anti-2nd amendment” even to the politically uneducated half of the population. That half may not be too smart, but most of them DO know at least something about the Constitution and the 2nd amendment.

        • Mike In MI

          Al -
          This post has been up on the site for quite a while now. I have held it on purpose. It is fabulously interesting that no libs bothered to make even a short stop here to comment in any direction. I guess it doesn’t merit their time because they would be required to use logic prior to making a reasonable comment.
          Thanks for your submission. It has been very instructive.

      • catchesthewind

        What are you worried about. Remember this -an armed society is a polite society.

      • http:realamericans-standup.blogspot.com Benny

        You don’t know who has a gun now dummy. One thing for sure the bad guys have them.

    • http://personalliberty.com DR. D

      I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • John Rainger

      You Go! Arizona! Its about time we the people can Protect ourselves from all Enemy’s! Foreign and Domestic. God Bless Arizona! and 2nd Amendment Rules!

  • Jason

    chess must not own a gun, cause when you purchase a gun they still require a background check. also the bad people in the world arent gonna have the permit any way, so whats the difference.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Jason,
      I can go up to the firing range here and walk out with a legally purchased weapon. no three day waiting period, no background check, nothing! I just did!

  • Darrel

    I don’t have a problem with basic training being required. Crooks don’t go by the laws either way. Given the choice of being in a mall with only crooks having guns, or crooks AND law abiding citizens having guns, I’ll take the latter. Sure, there is going to be the incident that the liberal, gun-hating media will exploit, but we must understand that the benefits far, far outweigh the detrements. I expect to see the 6:00 news report “Man is shot by nail gun at construction site. Lawmakers promise to outlaw nail guns”. We MUST stop going off the deep end.

    • American Liberal

      No background check?… Bad idea…just what America needs…. A bunch of rightwing dirty Harry wanna be’s with 44. mags running around the country…

      • http://personalliberty.com DR. D

        Your thinking is only criminals can have the guns. They don’t ask about back ground checks when they shoot up th neighbor hood!!!!!

        • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

          liberals are criminals

        • http://?? Joe H.

          DR. D,
          These people have not given thought to how many crimes are commited with a legally obtained weapon! The crook either steals a gun or buys one on the corner street “market”!!

      • JC

        Brainn washed by Hollywood into thinking people with guns are natural born killers. Not so. Only criminals fall into that category.

      • obiwan

        Taking out Marxist Libtards left and right, trimming the usless fat, increasing the national average IQ and improving the gene pool with every shot.
        Great idea for a video game, I’ll forward it to Rockstar.

        • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

          Obiwan,
          Great idea. We can use the game to practice for when the sch*t actually hits the fan. I recommend double “points” for the most egregious liberal socialist offenders such as Pelosi, Reid, O’Liar, O’Liars fat a$$ed wife Mike, and that liberal socialist sch*t wad who calls himself an “American” liberal, that always slimes his way in here and stinks up the place. You all know who I’m talkin about don’t you, lol ;-)

      • JeffH

        American Liberal like to “TROLL” these websites and disrupt anybody and anything. That is just his job. Ignore him and you will see some of the most outrageous comments.

      • catchesthewind

        And your problem is? Background checks are still required for purchase. If Gov. Jan Brewer, of whom I am a loyal supporter, signs this bill I will move to Arizona just so I can feel safe. The right of the people shall not be infringed. Just what part of that do you not understand. Perhaps you are more comfortable being a sheep in massa obamas flock. If so I invite you to live in England and live in fear.

  • Cribster

    This is encouraging, it’s the kind of HOPE and CHANGE I can believe in! “Yes We Can” (si su puede, the rallying cry for illegal aliens adopted by the usurper) carry concealed.

  • Pat

    from Chess: “What are you, stupid? You want people to just be able to purchase and use concealed weapons without any paperwork? ”

    Question for Chess: Where in the article does it say or even hint, that people can purchase a concealed weapon with no paper work? Please point this out for me. Quotes will work.(how do you purchase a concealed weapon? if it’s concealed, how do you know it’s for sale? . . . I digress).

    Gee, guess I”M THE ONE WHO”S STUPID SINCE I CAN”T FIND the answer ANYWHERE IN THE ARTICLE OR THE BILL. Maybe the article is stupid. Or the website.

    Thanks, Chess, for clearing up what’s REALLY going on here. I feel safer already. And for affirming my confidence in the public school system, too.

    Pat
    911 – the government’s answer to dial-a-prayer.

    • Brian

      Yes, Chess, that is exactly what we want. First, people shouldn’t need to apply for a permit to exercise their Free Speech and neither should they need it to exercise their 2nd Amendment.

      Think back three years to April 16, 2007 at Virginia Tech. What if the “Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC)” had their wish? Knowing that everyone will not exercise their right to carry, what could have happened if Seung-Hui Cho had met up with 3 students who could defend themselves? Would he still have killed 32 people and wounded many others?

      Why should a criminal be assured that the citizenry cannot defend themselves?

      Most people do not fear being in a crowded coffee shop each morning because the majority of the patrons are good and decent people and that doesn’t change if they’re carrying. What does change is when the local thug comes in to rob and assumes that no one can protect themselves from their illegal firearm.

      • American Liberal

        Your example only made a case for tighter restrictions … That guy should have never been allowed access to any weapons … He had a history of mental illness.. Mental illness and Guns?.. Another horrible mix..

        • TIME

          But Nano Wit, – Don’t you have many guns as per your own words?

          If your not Postal bound – than I would fail to worry about anyone else, as you have displayed time after time on countless threads your out right Vitriol.

        • Brian

          My friend “American Liberal”,

          My example makes the case for why we have the right to Keep and Bear Arms. To protect ourselves and to defend our other rights. When the mentally ill or criminally insane determine to violate the rights of another, you would negotiate a surrender while we would make them fight for it.

          If you have so much confidence in leaving your security to others, put your money where your mouth is and leave your home unlocked and unguarded but, as you say, you own guns. So it’s just the rights of others you want to be trampled!

          Recognize this, men of valor have fought and died defending your right to speak like a fool. I can see you now, driving your SUV to a global warming conference on banning SUVs. That’s truly the Liberal mindset indeed!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            AmLib,
            If you outlawed guns competely, it wouldn’t affect the crime rate one wit! The criminal element very seldom uses a legally obtained weapon. They usually go to the sorner street “market”!!!

  • James

    Americans have the right to keep and bear arms, which means they have the right to possess and carry them. More and more states are now forced to recognize this, but whether ‘bear’ includes concealed carry varies from state to state. What all this proves is that the Second Amendment’s “shall not be infringed” applies only to the federal government, and of course federal territories such as the District of Columbia. The only law that the Supreme Court has ever held to be in violation of the Second Amendment, is the D.C. ordinance that banned possession of handguns.

    • Independent

      “The Second Amendment applies only to the Federal Government, and Federal Teritories such as D.C.” How ignorant can you be. It says “The RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed”. The Federal Government is not mentioned anywhere. The First Amendment refers to a RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE. Would James say that only the Federal Government and Territories have Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly etc.? Of course, I know that people like James and Obama would like to abolish that one, as well.

      • Alan Clark

        That’s exactly right. For crying out loud, if these people were’nt so damnd afraid of the truth, they would look up the second ammendment and read it instead of telling us what they THINK it says. Whackadoodles….my word…what language is that?

      • James

        Independent, The Second Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights, which are restrictive clauses that apply exclusively to the federal government. Just as the First Amendment starts with “Congress shall make no law” so the rest of the amendments apply. Rights are not dependent on any document for their existence, Americans had all their rights before they created the federal government.

        In the original Constitution (1789), the powers that were delegated to Congress (Article I, Section 8) made no mention of rights, and about half of the Founders believed that would suffice to prevent the new federal government from legislating over rights. However, others thought future congresses might misconstrue those powers, to include rights, and insisted upon adding a Bill of Rights (in 1791). The Preamble to the Bill of Rights reads:

        THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added.

        Thus the stated purpose for the Bill of Rights was to add “restrictive clauses” “in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers” with respect to rights, where ‘its powers’ referred to the federal government. The Second Amendment reads:

        A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

        Viewing the Second Amendment out of its Bill of Rights’ context has misled many to misconstrue its “shall not be infringed” as a proclamation to all governments, including state legislatures as well as Congress. But, just as the First Amendment’s “Congress shall make no law,” obviously applies exclusively to the federal government, so also does the Second Amendment.

        In Barron v. Baltimore, 32 U.S. 243, 247 (1833), Mr. Chief Justice Marshall said: “The [U.S.] constitution was ordained and established by the people of the United States for themselves, for their own government, and not for the government of the individual states…the fifth amendment must be understood as restraining the power of the general government, not as applicable to the states.”
        In United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, 553 (1875), a mob of whites had disarmed two blacks (in Louisiana) and the issue was whether that action had violated the Second Amendment right of the blacks. Mr. Chief Justice Waite said: “This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress. This is one of the amendments that has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government.”
        In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. ____ (2008), the U.S. Supreme Court said: “We consider whether a District of Columbia prohibition on the possession of usable handguns in the home violates the Second Amendment of the Constitution.” After meticulous analysis of every word and clause in the amendment, the Heller Court stated: “In sum, we hold that the District’s ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense.”

        Just remember that that decision involved an ordinance of a territory (the District of Columbia), which falls under federal jurisdiction, it has no effect within the States. The Heller Court cited Barron, Cruikshank and other High Court decisions as precedents.
        Stated otherwise no State law has ever been held violative of the Second Amendment. In McDonald v. Chicago, the case now before the High Court, the issue is whether a state’s city ordinance, which prohibits handgun possession in a certain area, has violated the Second Amendment. Based upon previous High Court decision, it obviously does not, but whether it violates the “liberty…without due process of law” clause, of the Fourteenth Amendment remains to be seen.

      • James

        Independent & Alan Clark, your statements that “only the Federal Government and Territories [would] have Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly etc;” and “read it instead of telling us what they THINK it says,” reflect a belief that the Second Amendment IS the right to bear arms. That misunderstanding started when the NRA, CCRKBA, SAF and other groups started using “Second Amendment Right,” instead of “the right to bear arms.” It was a convenient way to refer to the right, but it led to the belief that the amendment was the right, and thus the amendment must apply to the states, or citizens, there, wouldn’t have the right. Or contra-wise, since State citizens have the right, the Second Amendment obviously applied to the States.
        Not so. The Bill of Rights is not the source of our rights. It is rather a Bill of Restrictions against federal law concerning rights. It begins with “Congress shall make no law…respecting…or abridging” the five rights mentioned therein. If one finds himself ignoring those first five words in the Bill of Rights, and viewing the Second Amendment separately, he has been misled. My above legal brief proves that.

  • Laura Schlegel

    Yeah, give everyone a gun to solve our problems…have a few drinks while your at it…government can only be bad, bad, bad…gotta love the wild, wild west and defend to the death our Christian values! What would Jesus say?

    • obiwan

      In Jesus’s day, there were no christians, he was the ultimate liberal
      and the Roman army solved all problems.

      • Mike In MI

        Obiwan – You really ought to check that factoid about Jesus.

        Jesus Christ was the ultimate conservative. His whole earthly ministry was spent trying to get the Hebrew people to see that they needed to get back to their original documents…Moses’ (God’s) Law. He referred to It constantly in answer to the stupid liberal theology of the scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees. He said he didn’t come to tear down the Law. He came to set it back in its proper place and fulfill It. Had they listenned to him Titus and Rome’s army would have been unable to take Jerusalem in 70 A.D. The world would be a whole lot different than it is today. But, the Hebrew le

        • Mike In MI

          Hebrew leaders would have had to relinquish their illegitimate laws and hegemony. They’d have been deposed and, had Jesus’ claims been acknowledged (they knew beyond a shadow of doubt who he was), his coronation would have ensued.

          But God, knowing their perfidy, set up something better to follow after the ressurrection. Paul the Apostle wrote God’s new system down and It’s called the New Testament. None (Few) of the present day churches, like the scribes and Pharisees and Sadducees of that day, teach or do what God helped Paul to establish. That’s why you don’t see the sorts of things happening today that happened in the First Century. Religious people can not make God do what we want Him to do.

          But, where people line up their minds with what God instructed then all kinds of wonders happen. Jesus was definitely not a liberal. That’s why God raised him from the dead.

          • American Citizen

            You Libs are worried about the wrong people. You would not let law abiding people have weapons, but it’s OK for the criminals to have them. The criminals don’t worry about laws anyway, that’s why they’re criminals. There have been many instances where if some law-abiding citizen had been carrying a weapon, the criminal could have been taken out before doing so much damage. I think of the woman in Texas who saw her parents killed in front of her eyes while she had to keep her gun in the glove compartment of her car instead of her purse because of a stupid Texas law.

          • obiwan

            Mike,
            Mis-label and mis-interpret anything you like if it makes you happy.
            You’ve obviously been indoctrinated into a specific way of thinking since childhood and you and I will never agree on anything.
            Know that a Jew would never convert to Christianity. That would be a step backward on the evolutionary scale and the equvilant to slumming.
            Know that an Atheist contemptiously sneers and laughs at your obsessive perverted fantasies.

        • Enlightened one

          Here’s how this will most likely end up… Some of these weak minded rightys will end up hurting some politician because fox news or Rush got them all worked up and they’ll end up with a goverment lethal injection…. That’s where these simple minded goons are headed… Will they deserve it?.. You betcha…right now Glenn Becks rating are better than Rushs ,so Rush is due to ratchet up the lies and hate… And Speaking of Glenn Beck, ….. He’s just a Fat soft Mamas boy that’s never done a real days work in his life… And this fat little munchkin made 32 million dollars making fools out of the rightys that listen to him…. Beck actually said: quote…..( I couldn’t give a flying Crap about Political process, were an entertainment company…unquote….. In other words , Beck called his listeners and followers idiots and morons… And of course , I agree with Beck on that issue… You don’t understand that Rush feels the sameway…. Your nothing more than Ratings numbers to Rush and fat little poweder puff Beck.

          • TIME

            EO – Todate I have seen only one post by you that was not full of crazy rhetoric, or out right Vitriol. So whats the deal dude?

            Do you grasp what “Enlightenment” is?
            By your post on every thread I have seen thus far I would have to say NO.
            Not for one “who knows all that is and has been.”

            And where do you get your daily news? Please bring us up to speed.

          • Cheryl

            Time,
            E.O. is just as clueless as the Unmerican Liberal is. Two liberals on the same site and they’re BOTH ignorant. Gee who would’ve figured that? ha ha ha

          • American Citizen

            Why is it that you liberals think we conservatives can’t think for ourselves. All I have to do is listen to the politicians to hear what they think and wnat to do. I think I have enough common sense to know if what they’re espousing will work or not. Having to live on a budget, as most families do, I know that if we spend more than we take in we would be in trouble. We have an out of control government when it comes to spending. The Federal Budget is bigger than the GDP so where does that leave us? We are fast being taken over by foreign entities due to the borrowing. The interest alone is mind boggling.

          • JC

            AC they suffer from a superiority complex born of sheer ignorance.

          • obiwan

            You can tell who the Liberal media are. Just watch MSNBC. Their the ones with the brown noses. It’s a wonder BO can sit down.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            obiwan,
            I saw on NBC the other day that it is quite painful for him to sit because of all the brown nosing! Now THERE’S something you won’t hear on FOX!!!! Nobody would care!!!

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Joe,
            I hate to correct a fellow poster, but the reason Obummers butt is too sore for him to sit down, is because Pelosis’ nose broke off and is still in there……….

          • coal miner

            Stephaan,

            What about your own nose?It is always between somebody’s cheeks.Do you use Vaseline or another brand of petroleum jelly?HA HA HA

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Well, welcome back dungshoveler you crotchety old sewer rat. We’ve missed your rapier wit, and 3rd grade level rhetoric. Your “baggee” buddy dungiso is also back on here making a fool of himself, so you have plenty of competition for the fool of the month award.
            The competition will be even “stiffer” for you this time around though, because there is a new arrival named the “UnAmerican Liberal” Look for some of his posts. You will be AMAZED at his intelligence.
            I have one serious question for you. Are you one of the baggers or the baggee? The UnAmerican liberal wants to know. He’s looking for new friends.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Stephaan,
            no problem telling on coal scabber. The knees on his jeans are so worn you can’t miss it!! I know now why the Marines wouldn’t have him!!!

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            LOL Joe;
            Coalshoveler was gone so long I thought maybe he had stroked out from having to read the truth on here, and just couldn’t handle it.

        • obiwan

          Its not a factiod, merely a sarcastic opinion from someone who has witnessed “Christian Tolerance” and knows its an oxymoron.

          • Mike In MI

            obiwan – Izzat so? OK, actually I spent many years being a very committed, religious and even “evangelistic” atheist. I was good and I could make most of the churchy people who engaged me back-up, back- down and re-examine what they thought they knew. I’d been taught it was all legends, hearsay, imaginations and worse. Then, some things happenned that I couldn’t explain in the war zone they sent me to. War zones are notorious for producing phenomena that “scientific types” have no preparation, expectation of or ability to account for. Nobody I asked among the involved, well educated and scientifically adept individuals could answer it. They even seemed unwilling to even think about it ’cause they seemed to be afraid of what it might do to their tidy, neat, compacted views of life. Chasing down the answer meant examining the world from a “somewhat” different aspect than I had learned in schools. Frankly, I didn’t want Christianity or the Bible to have anything to do with it. The transition was not graceful.

            I now have about 38 years of in-depth physical and spiritual study and application behind me. I’m not afraid to say what I know and can prove if someone is willing to accept that God might know what He’s talking about and can relate that to what He created…us.

            I challenge you, if you like being right and having some integrity to your life, study and prove me wrong — if you can. I could show you just from logic that you should be more cautious when you say things about the Bible. You might have toilet paper hanging out of your drawers.

    • TIME

      Laura,
      Jesus would say pass the beer, and a few box’s of ammo. Thanks

      What do you think – Sadam & Gomorrah was all about?

      What about That funny guy with a big boat – named Noah?????

    • s c

      What would Jesus say? Jesus would [and will] say quite a lot. He could start with the idea that the Son of God needs no weapons. He needs no money. He needs no politicians. He doesn’t need priests, prachers or rabbis who pretend to be ‘on His side.’ He needs no “infuence” via Washington politicians or their ‘pals’ or people who interpret the Bible the same way they would the Constitution.
      Assuming that you have a use for Jesus in your life, I would be greatly surprised if Jesus didn’t have many things to say about relying on a government that DEMANDS to be seen as a SUBSTITUTE FOR GOD.
      Kindly limit your parameters to earthly concepts.
      Let me guess, you think Jesus was the motivating force behind ‘social justice’ and ‘liberation theology.’ While you’re reading the Constitution for the first time, make sure you read the Bible for the first time, too, Laura.

      • obiwan

        Start with the Torah. Read the real 1st Bible in its original form,
        before all of the bad translations.

        • Mike In MI

          obiwan – “read the Torah, first”…?
          Why? God told the Hebrews via Moses and the other prophets that if they didn’t pay attention to The Prophet, His Anointed, the one who proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was who he claimed to be when he [Jesus, The Christ] came He, God, would disown the children of Israel and diaspora them to the winds. Which He did starting in 70 A.D. to this very day. When they abandonned Him and killed The Prophet He sent He had to do what He said He would do – it was his promise if they rebelled. He figured they would, so He told Israel what they had was conditional. Read all the “IFs” in it. They reneged and rebelled, not Him.

          Then He set up His new system of things – the New Testament – which It says will be in full force (all of It) until Christ Jesus’ second coming. (By the way, Obama ain’t him and anybody on earth when he returns will not be looking forward to what [who] is Comin’ Down.)

          • TIME

            Mike, Super points.

            We will know the real SON when he shows up, that is anyone who has a “good open HEART & Mind” will know him.

            Then the POSERS will have no more questions, but saddly if what has been written comes to pass – the POSERS and LOOSERS will not be in the happy house.

          • obiwan

            Anything after the first five books is fantasy and bullshit.
            Drink some more koolaide

          • obiwan

            Vader is Lukes father and Joe never did throw himself into the volcano
            but Frodo did throw the ring into the fire so all is right with the world.
            Roughly 80% of the world is not christian. Thats some up-hill battle.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Obiwan,
            no like a good liberal frodo depended on someone else to put the ring in the volcano. Gollum bit off his finger and fell in the volcano!!!

        • Mike In MI

          obiwan — My friend, what you said about the Bible being bullcrap is basically how I felt as a practicing atheist until I challenged God, on the basis of His Word, to see if He had any integrity or not. If He has integrity, so does His Word. If not then the hell with everything. What’s the use of living if we only have 70 years and then oblivion? Might as well just die.

    • Ellen

      Laura, serious people DO NOT drinkwhen they are dealing with Guns!! They take life more serious than that!

      • JC

        I know I take “guns” more seriously that that!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          JC,
          What about us conservatives that (GASP!) don’t drink???? I quit the day my son was born, 28 years ago this may!!!

    • JC

      More Hollywood brainwashing. The “wild wild west” wasn’t really all that wild. Nobody wanted to die then either.

    • JeffH

      Laura Schlegel, you’ve obviously watched way to many westerns…this ain’t Hollywood baby. You libs can only present the worst case scenarios. Been there and done that! Goodbye!

      • Water Walker

        I have to agree… Some of these people are so evil and delusional that they will end up hurting someone and the goverment will have to come down hard on these crazys… Their only purpose in all this gun right talk is to try and scare the otherside… That’s it in a nutshell.

        • Cheryl

          Say WHAT?

    • Cheryl

      Laura Schlegel,
      What would Jesus say? To YOU he would say “get a political education before you continue to make a fool of yourself on here”

  • American Liberal

    Rightwing thinking…. Americans have the right to bear and carry arms…. But not the right to healthcare?… Odd… My take is Americans have the right to own weapons and the right to openly carry them needs to be earned at least….every society has rules and if the rules aren’t followed you lose rights…. To carry a gun openly a person must be responsible… And someone has to determine responsibility…it’s called civilization… Same with driving….you can’t just hop in your car and drive… Theirs a test… Should be the same with weapons… Unless you keep them at home..

    • http://personalliberty.com DR. D

      You Got It All Wrong. People Don’t Buy My Guns And I Don’t Expect Anyone Should. I Shouldn’t Have To Pay For Someone Else Healthcare!!!!!!!!!

    • obiwan

      Funny, I could’nt find the word “healthcare” in the Constitution anywhere. You pay for yours, I’ll continue to pay for mine.
      If you think those that can’t afford healthcare are not recieving it,
      you havn’t been to a public hospitals emergency room lately or to the locally run free clinic’s.

      • JC

        Probably an “interpretation” of the general welfare clause.
        Intepretations of a fairly straight forward document are directly responsible for mess we now enjoy. And an illegal President is merely the icing on the cake.

        • Hal Killbride

          The attorneys are chomping at the bit waiting for the increase in negligent law suits for all the accidental discharges about to happen. A simple 8 hr safety course would help cut back on these accidents.

          • Independent

            All of the people calling for an eight-hour (or more) safety seem to forget that to do that means that you have to be registered, giving Obama and his hoods the ammo they need to confiscate your firearms when he declares himself Emperor.

          • JC

            Precisely. The government has no legitimate business in gun registration. None.

    • American Citizen

      The Constitution does not give you the right to healthcare paid for by someone else.

    • Brian

      You are so well thought out Mr. American Liberal. We have the right to exercise our rights as long as we do so at home. Maybe you should do the same to your right to free speech. As long as you exercise it at home we won’t have to listen to it.

    • Winchester Steele

      What a moron! You ask rhetorically, if Americans have the right to bear and carry firearms, why do they not have the right to healthcare.
      What a moron! If I make or buy a firearm with money that I earned, that is a natural right. But if I have a “right” to healthcare, that is not a natural right, because someone has to provide the healthcare. So my real right to healthcare is only if I provide it for myself or pay someone with money I earned to provide it for me. We already have that natural right. But if Government provides healthcare for me, as with all “government” money,it comes from taxpayers, by force if necessary. So your idea of a “right” includes theft from one person to give to another person, with government dictating who is the thief and who is the victim. Government cannot produce rights, it can only steal them form some to give to others. What a moron!

    • Rob Alexander

      Conservatives’ and libertarians’ rights concern their ability to do for themselves without infringement or obstruction by others. The RKBA is the right to defend yourself from an attacker.

      Liberals’ so-called rights are actually not rights, they are entitlements – expectations or demands that others do something for them. A healthcare entitlement means you get to force someone else to give you something. You have no more right to demand that a doctor fix you when you’re sick than you do to demand my kidney if yours fails.

    • benny basnight

      You liberals want it all, if someone else pays for it. Get off your butt, get a job and buy your own guns and health care.

  • Dad

    What truly amazes me is all the left wing vs right wing vs libertarian arguments going on in the comment section of all articles like this.

    I say, Take personal responsibility for your choices/actions. If you wish to carry concealed/open/not at all, it is your choice.

    Just do not expect someone to come to your aid when a bad person pulls a gun and starts shooting you and or your family/friends. Remember, you HAD a choice, and you made it.

    At the same time, ANY crime that involves death should result in the death penalty. I do not care if the criminal was misunderstood as a child, or made fun of in school, or whichever excuse the hand wringers wish to give them. If it were not clearly self-defense/defense of another, when judged by a jury of peers, death should be the ONLY sentence.

    Maximum of three appeals, if not successful, then hang them in public, and ensure that it IS televised. we have become a nation of morally bankrupt people, and it is time to take back our country.

    • obiwan

      Dad, your absolutely right and take note that personal reponsibility
      is the foundation of the Libertarian movement.

    • TIME

      Dad,
      Dude, can’t argue with you. ALL – Good strong points!

    • American Liberal

      Hangings in public?.. Will you bring a box lunch?……. Its amazing how ignorant you people are….

      • TIME

        Nano Wit,
        Yes I will would you like me to bring one for you too?
        What do you like for such events ham and cheese?
        How about a nice bloody Stake Samich, with grilled Opinions
        and Cheese?

        • Mike In MI

          TIME – Ah-heet, ah-he-he-heet, ah-h luvit!!! too-oo much! I got diaphragm spasms.
          But, doncha’ know, Am Glib prefers a bleedin’ heart samich for growled Opinions with sleaze, complementing his cheesey posts sluiced dowm with a slug of pinot abatoir.

          • obiwan

            Mike,
            great reply, we do have something in common afterall.

          • Mike In MI

            Thanx, Obi. Glad to hear that there’s hope for us afterall. I like a lot of your posts, too. Now,…let’s go drag a $50.00 bill past a politician’s office and see what follows us home.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Mike In MI,
            You WANT a politician to follow you home?!?!?!?! Hell man, you could do that with a fin and save money!!!!

    • American Citizen

      I’m with you on the death penalty. If you’re a Christian, you would understand Jesus’ thought on this. He submitted Himself to the death penalty, even though He was innocent. He acknowledged the government’s right to demand the death penalty.

  • Raggs

    The right to defend yourself is just that its a right not a priviledge.
    Driving a car or health care is a priviledge not a right.
    buying a house is a priviledge not a right… The current dictator in chief would have people believe the government gives us our rights.

    I see nothing wrong with any law abidding citizen using thier rights.

    • http://personalliberty.com DR. D

      Well Said!!!!!!!!!!

    • Mike In MI

      Raggs – revisit your thinking on buying a house…and the RIGHTS that go with it.

      If you have the wherewithall to purchase property, or acquire it in any other legal way, the Constitution says you have the RIGHT to be secure in that property for uses you deem worthy. You have the RIGHT to be safe from search, seizure and use restrictions without warrants provided fellow citizens are left harmless.

      No one can condemn it for any purpose other than what serves public interests and need, in public domain. (It is illegal for public servants who condemn it to sell it to businessmen to raise the tax base.) Even if a Supreme Court issues opinions to the contrary (as has occurred) or EPA regs seem to contravene (use restrictions).

      Now, legislators require we purchase products we might not want or need from private sector firms and individuals (incorporated entities) or our wealth and/or freedom become forfeit. What’s more, they pass the law in secrecy (“We’ll have to pass it for you to learn what’s in it.”) with lies, bribery, extortion, intimidation and corruption.

      This isn’t the America I was sent to Viet Nam to defend. Sounds like the enemy I was sent to fight.

      • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

        Very good points Mike

    • Rob Alexander

      Health care is neither a privilege nor a right, it’s a product (service). It’s something someone else will provide in exchange for payment.

      Privileges are *actions* you have to ask permission to carry out.
      Rights are *actions* you DO NOT have to ask permission to carry out.

  • American Liberal

    Raggs… Wrong… You have every right in the world as long as you follow the rules… Same with Buying a home… Nobody can tell you that you can’t drive as long as you pass the test … Same with owning a home … If you make your payments you can’t be denied.. let’s try this….the constitution protects your right to drive.. But the rules must be followed… Like everything else… And sure you have the right to protect yourself… And you have the right to own a gun.. But you must be responsible… I know it’s difficult for you rightys to understand personal responsibity.. Everything is a priviledge…

    • TIME

      Nano Wit, You DO get it – its just at the sub level now,
      Your quote – “EVERYTHING IS A PRIVILEDGE.”

      Thats 100% correct, ((((“its not a RIGHT”))))

      For once you have stated a TRUTH -
      Just like Health Care its not a right, its a “PRIVILEDGE”

      • Mike In MI

        Time – be careful agreeing with this delinquent.

        Am GLib, the way you wrote your pussedy post you make it seem you have rights that declare it your personal responsibility to infringe on areas of our personal responsibilities. You see yourself as a good deal more human than us because of your exalted position as the declarer of what is right and wrong. God did that a long time ago and He never relinquished His authority to you.

        I don’t give a damn who you think you are or represent. Father, clarify it to this person with certainty he comprehends.

    • obiwan

      Personal resposibility is a Conservative foundation point. You earn your own, you pay for your own. No gov’t handouts and charity is voluntary. If you can’t survive without help its no ones fault but your own. If your parents had taught you to be self sufficient, you
      would’nt be a liberal.

    • JeffH

      To even respond to this liberal plant is a victory for him and his movement TO DISRUPT AT ALL COSTS!

      IGNORE THE TWIT!

  • American Liberal

    For instance… If any official denied your right to drive based on anything other than your ability to follow the law , the constitution would protect you…. Break the rules and you can lose your freedom…

    • American Citizen

      Driving a vehicle is a privilege which you can lose for various reasons. One is due to accumulating points because of violating the rules of the road, another due to a health problem or age-related problems. It’s true there are rules to follow in most endeavors which equalize the privileges and rights for us all.

  • LocalYokel

    True Brian.
    Any legislation is contrary to “shall not be infringed” in the second amendment unless it plainly confirms it thereby rendering it redundant. What all the liberal wanabe philosophers fail to comprehend is the fact that the second is there to guarantee the first. After only a few generations of free application of the second will it automatically filter and refine all ignorance espoused by any who dare to abuse the first.
    It hasn’t been very long ago that armed citizenry brought conclusion to physical abuse that had grown from first amendment abuse in Oklahoma that had evaded all justice by judicial and enforcement means for a full generation. There was no need for further justice with total lack of witnesses of the event in a public arena in broad daylight. One can imagine the silent attention that was aroused in all the minds of barristers and the elect.

    • David

      Chess writes: “…You want people to just be able to purchase and use concealed weapons without any paperwork?

      [i]They already do. Criminals do it all the time and I have yet to see a piece of paperwork in a drawer someplace stop a crime. I have yet to see a stolen gun registered. I have yet to see a criminal register a gun[/i]

      (and) “You -want- to go to public places and (1) not know which people are carrying guns and (2) not have barriers for people to carry concealed weapons? You -like- feeling unsafe?”

      [i]Yep, there’s nothing that gives a feeling of safety like knowing that the only people with guns are the crazies and criminals. Do you know why crime drops in areas with CCW laws? Because the CRIMINALS feel “unsafe”. So if crimes drops with CCW laws, are you really more or less “safe” with CCW laws?[/i]

      I believe the biggest threat this country has now is from the far right…

      [i]Guess what race has the most criminals per capita and guess which race votes 98% democrat? Guess who is #2 and ALSO predominantly votes democrat. “democrat”=”left”[/i]

      I’m a 2nd amendment supporter

      [i]No you’re not, or you’d understand “shall not be infringed”[/i]

      Road Rage and Guns?.. Not a good mix…

      [i]Yes, road rage and a 4000-5000 lb vehicle is a much better idea. Or better still, “road rage” and a semi @ 80K lbs.[/i]

      Dr. D writes: “But again when one thinks with thier blubbery backside unit – rather than a head bound unit with gray matter with massive folds, the results are obvious. The medical term is called – {Hollowwoodie digbata buffoon} “this aliment blocks the basic concepts of common sense.” These persons are also full of hate and Vitriol”

      [i]…And that, of course, is the love and kindness of the left, who would expect all of us to abide by their example[/i]

      Donald Gorga writes: “I don’t think I want to be around someone who is carrying a weapon and thinks they are qualified to take action in a shooting match with a criminal who has not taken a required gun safety course.”

      [i]It is ironic how your murdered syntax makes the argument against your argument. I think that you will find that most “criminal(s) who (have) not taken a required gun safety course.” Even most cops, who train regularly, can’t hit a person in a shootout. So what is your point?[/i]

      Richard writes: “Requiring a basic 8 hour firearm safety class is not unreasonable.”

      [i]What part of “shall not be infringed” do you not understand?” Did Thomas Jeffereson need an 8 hour class when he helped to write that? and why not 1 hour? or 1,000 hours?[/i]

      JC writes: People are required to pass a test to drive a car because they could potentially kill someone with it. I think the same principle can be morally applied to firearms.”

      [i]JC, driving is a privilege. “To keep and bear arms” is a right. The state can regulate privileges. Rights come from God, not the state. Read the constitution and the Bill of Rights. People can kill people with baseball bats, knives, table legs, rocks, bricks, feet, fists, pillows, meat thermometers, bottles, medications, rat poison,ropes: 8 hour classes for all of those too? [/i]

      • American Liberal

        TrIng to equate a gun and a car is weak and ignorant…. But I never expect much logic from you Tea Baggers…. Nonsense as usual…but.. Since you need some help .. Here it is…. Guns are for killing…. Cars are for transportation……. No wonder Rush does your thinking… You need help..

        • TIME

          Nano Wit, The Going Postal guy, so whats your big love of tea bagging?
          Is that something that you do really well?
          Would you like to tell us all about your tea bagging?
          We are all ears.

          Now again where is this “great news source” you keep telling us about.
          I have now asked no less that 10 times with no answer.
          Why is that Dude?
          Why is it you don’t want anyone to watch Glenn Beck, yet you fail to tell us what “great news source” you have.

        • http://GOGGLE vaksal

          ALL THE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE ARE VOCING WHAT THEY THINK AND AS FAR AS NEEDING HELP YOU REALLY NEED IT,SO HERE IT GOES. GO TO THE DRUGSTORE AND PURCHASE A BIG BIG SUPER SIZED BOX OF EXLAX AND TAKE THE WHOLE BOX,BECAUSE YOU ARE SO FULL OF IT ,IT SMELLS LIKE,BOLSHEVIC AND COMMUNIST IN EVERY WORD YOU POST. GO BACK TO YOUR HANDLERS( AIPAC) YOU FAILED THE TEST YOU LEFT WING SHILL.I CALL IT AS I SEE IT,ALL YOU POST IS ATTACKS ON PEOPLE THAT YOU DONT AGREE WITH,WELL HOW DOES IT FEEL? ITS A TWO WAY STREET, I HAVE BETTER TIME TO WASTE THAN READING YOUR NEW YORK TIMES TYPE RUBBISH,LET THIS SITE WORK FOR I DONT POST ARTICALS IN THE LIBERAL PAPERS ( LIBERAL RAGS) STAY AT HOME AND SELL YOUR BRAND OF CANCER TO THOSE WHO LOVE THE WAY THIS NATION HAS BEEN DESTROYED BY LIBERALS AND LEFT WINGERS JUST LIKE YOU!

        • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

          (comment removed for offensive content)

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            What do you mean comment removed for offensive content??
            I was just telling that liberal socialist that calls himself an American liberal, how much I admire his lack of intelligence, and crybaby whine-a$$ posts.
            No offense intended, I really like him when he comes on here and makes a fool of himself.

          • libertytrain

            I saw it before it was removed and it was tasteless and tacky —

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Tasteless and tacky? Yep, probably so, since I was speaking to the Un-American Nano Wit liberal socialist, who with his “baggee” buddies is destroying America.

          • Lisa

            Liberal train
            If you think the word(offensive word removed) is tasteless and tacky, wait till you see what the rest of us call the UnAmerican liberal.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Nano Twit,
          Ever read where a person was MURDERED by a person using a car???? I know I have!!!! I have also heard of murders by bat, knife, icepick, club, fire poker, trophy, All sorts of things that were not made to kill but they did a right handy job of it!!!

          • http://oceansweepers.com/ Lindsey Criste

            Apologize for my bad english, I believe its a precarious piece of your writing. Well I be suffering when faced alot of difficulties in this condition however your article informs me

  • http://att.net Deborah

    Admentment II: Right To Bear Arms

    A well regulated Milita, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be enfringed.

  • GUS

    whats unconstitutional is thay can’t make us buy something. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.

    Charity “It is not everyone who asketh that deserveth charity; all however, are worth of the inquiry or the deserving may suffer.”

  • Raggs

    Its so easy a caveman can do it….
    Plan mentality of the leftist elite…

    My point being they think we are all stupid and we need to shoot each other… But in a real world… We have a RIGHT to defend ourselces and they cannot stand it!!!!

    • JC

      And what a coincidence! Hitler, Mao and Stalin shared their views.

      • American Liberal

        And Larry, Moe and Curley share your views..

        • JC

          You see, AL, there’s the difference between us. I am logically and historically correct and you’re an idiot.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            AMEN!!! Can I get a bigAMEN on the IDIOT???

          • Mike In MI

            Joe H. – Her’s your BIG A-A-M-M-E-N-N-N, you guys earned it.

            Am Glib – do you need some help with that problem of yours, or can you change your Depends by yourself? I wish you’d do that every time before you come here and swim in our pool – but you never do and it’s always the same.

    • spooky_t

      What liberals REALLY can’t abide is that fact that we refuse to be controlled… by THEM.
      After all, they know better, than we, what’s good for us. Just ask them.
      ;0)

  • http://www.dan4gov.com Dr. Dennis Northcutt

    Louisiana will be next because Jindal dont wont it the AZ way. I have been a lifetime member NRA an a vet that knows how to profile terrorist and illegals remaining in the yellow 85% of the time in public. I will step in fornt of an oncommimg bullet to save some one from harm. The freedoms are disolving and we must restand and retake America back form the illegal president we have. and the liberal leaders that bought there way into office without my approval.
    Questions can be reviewed at http://www.dan4gov.com

  • Donald Gorga

    I think this is a dangerous road to go down, should the American public have the right to keep and bear arms, YES by all means they should, but to not have reasonable and thought out control in place is a dangerous thing. I don’t think I want to be around someone who is carrying a weapon and thinks they are qualified to take action in a shooting match with a criminal who has not taken a required gun safety course.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Watch by way of “Executive Order” GUNS being ruled illegal! Of Course, the Supreme court will be dominated by handpicked Marxists(Anti-Messiahs); so not to get it overturned! The Marxist have won already and our women put them in power! What really has changed from the beginning?

  • American Liberal

    Donald… I agree… I’m a liberal and own several guns…. But I don’t want 350 million Billy the Kids running around America with a chip on their shoulders….a person only needs to read some of the rightwing posts on this site to understand some of these people are unhinged….I believe the biggest threat this country has now is from the far right… I’m a 2nd amendment supporter but the wild west needs to be something we read about in history books… Road Rage and Guns?.. Not a good mix…

  • JeffH

    Donald Gorga…If you support the 2nd Amendment as you say, then you should be aware of those the seek to destroy it under the name of “sensible gun laws”. Beware of anyone that uses the term “sensible” when they want to make changes and restrictions to your freedoms. There are too many “sensible” gun laws that restrict the law abiding citizen yet do nothing to change the gun habits of criminals. I know first hand, I live in California and Feinstein, Boxer and Pelosi are from California.

  • spooky_t

    Then I’d advise you to stay out of Arizona, Don.

  • catchesthewind

    Donald, Do you remember the shooting incident in Texas a few years ago, where a young lady who had a carry permit but had to leave it in her car, saw her parents along with other people gunned down by a nut job. Perhaps you would feel much safer in that situation. Yes I carry, No you will never know it sitting next to me, but rest assured that if some nut job comes into any establishment I happen to be in and starts killing people he wont get passed the first one. Know what I mean.

  • American Liberal

    Victor… Nonsense… Nobodys taking your guns or mine… Some pin head on some rightwing radio program must have scared you…

  • cella

    I am going to laugh my a– off when Arizona has another Columbine. You people suck. This country has so many wackadoodles, god help you all.

  • American Liberal

    Wackadoodles.. ?.. Lol.. I like that one… I will admitt the left has ” Wackadoodles”.. But that vast majority of ” Wackadoodles ” are from the radical rightwing Christian groups… Example… The Christian domestic group just arrested in Michigan… They were Crazy… Whoops, I mean the were Wackadoodles.. Lol… Hope I don’t owe Royalties for the use of that word…. It just describes the right so well..

  • James

    Cella, if the people at Ft Hood had been armed they could have stopped Major so-and-so. He emptied 4 or 5 magazines into the crowd, hitting over 40 and killing 13, because no one there was armed. He was brought down by a Texas police officer, after he left the building. The same with Columbine, if someone there had been armed s/he could have lessened the massacre.

  • Jim H.

    cella, You’re going to laugh your a– off when there’s another Columbine? DEAD STUDENTS, yeah that’s funny. Your one morbid idiot. The carry laws are for ADULTS, not law breaking students. There was no concealed carry law in Colorado when the real Coumbine happened, so what’s your point?

  • JeffH

    cella, the only way that will happen is when you and your fellow members of Crash the Tea Party . org commit the violence in the name of the Tea Party.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    cella,
    i really have to correct your spelling. It’s God not spelled with a lower g!!

  • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

    cella;
    Are you sure that YOU aren’t one of those “wackadoos” that you speak so highly of? If you want the truth….we all think–… but apparently you aren’t very good at it in the literal sense, so your boyfriend left you, and now you’re all lonely and pissed off at the world. Hmmm, sounds like a good episode for Soaprah, or Jerry Springer.

  • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

    No, you’ve got it wrong, (words removed)!

  • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

    No cella, YOU and your people suck! Get used to it. It’s going to be a big part of your life you whiney little liberal biatch.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis Caroline
  • Brian

    Yes, Chess, that is exactly what we want, except for the part about “fear”.

    First, people shouldn’t need to apply for a permit to exercise their rights. Neither for Free Speech and nor for exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.

    Think back three years to April 16, 2007 at Virginia Tech. What if the “Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC)” had their wish back then?

    Knowing that everyone will not exercise their right to carry, what could have happened if Seung-Hui Cho had met up with just 3 students who could defend themselves? Would he still have killed 32 people and wounded many?

    Why should a criminal be assured that the citizenry cannot defend themselves?

    Most people do not fear being in a crowded coffee shop or grocery because the majority of the patrons are good and decent people. This would not change if these same people are carrying concealed firearms. What changes is when the local thug comes in to harm or rob and assumes that no one can protect themselves from their illegal firearm.

  • http://personalliberty.com DR. D

    Your Crazy!!!!!!!

  • pat

    SO ANY BODY WHO DISAGREES WITH A LIBERAL IS UNHINGED?

  • Independent

    UnAmerican Liberal is worried about the Right Wing people with guns. When Herr Obama signs an Executive Order declaring himself Emperor for Life and tells everyone to turn in their guns, UnAm Lib will stand in line to give up his gun (assuming he really has one–you know how a liberal will lie to you). When that happens, it will be those Right Wing people with guns who pull his chestnuts out of the fire.

  • GUS

    Mr America… You are whats wrong with our Country.

  • http://personalliberty.com DR. D

    You Don’t Know Much Do You!!!!!!!

  • JC

    Meaning you are either greatly uninformed or simply ignorant of all the surreptitious gun laws the Feds are trying sneak through the back door.

  • TIME

    Hey Nano Wit,
    We are still waiting on your telling us about your media sources that are so great.

    So please do tell as we await your response.

  • obiwan

    What about those leftwing radio programs? Oh, thats right, there are none. They could’nt make enough money or ratings to stay in business.
    Sorry. Not even good enough to be pin heads.

  • Rich

    Liberals are in denial and live in a dream world with other fairies.

  • JC

    There is a lot of legislation under way that is aimed at completely disarming the American citizen. Hillary is out to shoot the hell out of our rights.

  • http://personalliberty.com DR. D

    EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!

  • JeffH

    Barack Obama’s gun control policy, or should I write anti-gun record is long and informative:

    * 1994 to 2001 – Obama was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation. This foundation is the largest funding source for radical anti-gun groups in the country.
    * 1996 – Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
    * 1999 – Obama proposed a 500 percent increase in the excise taxes on firearms and ammunition. This tax would effectively punish gun owners for buying guns and ammunition.
    * 2003 – Obama voted in support of legislation that would have banned privately owned hunting shotguns, target rifles and black powder rifles in Illinois.
    * 2004 – Obama voted against legislation intended to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion.

    Based on his voting record in the Illinois state senate and in the U.S. Senate, President Barack Obama will be the most anti-Second Amendment president in the history of America.

    That Obama will sign any anti-gun bill that gets to his desk is a certainty. But what can gun owners expect from the new Congress? His party’s large gains in the Congress give the President more room to maneuver with a radical agenda.

  • obiwan

    The Wackadoodles are currently in office. Hopefully, by the next 2 elections, we’ll turn them into Wack-a-moles.

  • GUS

    Mr American.. In June 2007, (then) Presidential candidate Barack Obama declared that the USA was no longer a Christian nation.
    In 2009 President Obama, canceled the 21st annual National Day of Prayer ceremony at the White House under the ruse of “not wanting to offend anyone”…YOU are a follower of the anointed one

  • TIME

    Dr.D.
    I second your vote. Meet one of the residents that is beyond crazy thats why he is NOW – A Nano Wit.

    But again when one thinks with thier blubbery backside unit – rather than a head bound unit with gray matter with massive folds, the results are obvious.

    The medical term is called – {Hollowwoodie digbata buffoon}
    “this aliment blocks the basic concepts of common sense.”
    These persons are also full of hate and Vitriol,

  • TIME

    Pat – I am a Liberal, and I find A Nano Wit to be non Liberal in every possible respect that the word Liberal brings to the table.

    So you better understand what a “LIBERAL” is, a Liberal is someone who see’s all sides of an issue and can live with it in its most FREEDOM bound form.
    That means that everything is fine as long as you can follow the simple rules of – “You treat everyone like you wish to be treated.”

    How easy is that. The quasi Liberals who are NOT Liberals at all have made a bad name for those of us who not only love FREEDOM, we breath FREEDOM, and LOVE FREEDOM, we are true Liberals.

    AL or Nano Wit, is a Marxist, and there is a major differance.

    There are ZERO in the word liberal, that fit in the word Marxist.

    A Marxist wants to controll your life in all its aspects by way of “Government controlls and laws” that restrict and confine one FREEDOMS, so that the mass’s feel safe from themselfs.

  • American Liberal

    Theirs a major diffrence in the rightwing and myself…. I believe healthcare is a basic right… I also believe if you need some healthcare and it’s there you have a right to it…. It’s called being civilized ..and humanity…I have taken dogs that I didn’t own to my vets because the dog needed treatment… So how could anybody deny a humanbeing healthcare….?…people with access to basic healthcare are less a burden on society because they can recieve treatment while their condition isn’t as serious and would save us money..remember… Shots in school?… Same idea…polio has Bern almost wiped off the face of the planet because we treated it before our children caught it… That’s why when you say it’s unconstitutional is nonsense… We’ve already been doing it for decades…

  • TIME

    Nano Wit, Thats called “Charity” that you preformed.

    Thanks for being Charitable.

    Make’s you feel good to know that you have given to children who’s
    familys have no money, I know we do it every year for $100K and the
    familys don’t even know we gave the money.
    We also give $50K per year to artist that need medical help.
    Its called “Charity” we are both blessed and grateful to be able to do such.

    My Big Brother kids are all doing very well and the last two start college in the fall, how? I set us trust funds years ago for them.
    We have taken care of four kids now over the last 15 years. They
    are our extended family.

    Just as when I give money and aid by way of my time to the local shelter’s for Pets. Its “Charity,” and thats a GOOD thing.

  • Johnny Glock

    THERE IS ONE THING NO ONE HAS TOUCHED UPON YET. A FIREARM IS NOTHING MORE THAN A TOOL, JUST LIKE AN AX, SHOVEL,TIRE IRON, PISTOL, RIFLE, SHOTGUN, HAMMER, SCREWDRIVER OR KNIFE. I CAN KILL WITH ANY OF THEM.
    SO WHAT MAKES ONE OF THESE TOOL DEADLY ? IT IS NOT THE EVIL HAMMER OR AX, IT IS THE INDIVIDUAL WHO PICKS IT UP WITH THE INTENT TO DO HARM TO ANOTHER. THINK CAIN & ABLE. IT IS NOT THE ITEM THAT IS EVIL TODAY, ANY MORE THAN THE ROCK WAS. IT IS SIMPLY THE EVIL IN THE PERSON HOLDING THE ITEM, NOT THE ITEM. ALL THE ABOVE MENTIONED ITEMS CAN BE USED FOR GOOD OR EVIL. IT IS UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL HOLDING THE ITEM.
    MAYBE WE SHOULD DO “BRAIN SCANS” AND LICENSE MINDS.

  • Ellen

    We are not turning our backs on healthcare nor charity!! BUT HAVING IT PUSHED down our throats and piling up our indebtednes -IS NOT RIGHT and thinking ONE IS the ALMIGHTY IS! We want to be resposible not lose cannons. We do not want to borrow, we want to pay our own way and IT IS NOT FAIR FOR ME TO SPEND YOUR money, neither is it fair for the government or you to step in and spend my money thus putting someone else in the poorhouse. HAVE you read the 2000+ pages of the healthcare, even before it was sighned?? Do you really know WHAT IS SAID and WHAT is going to happen???

  • obiwan

    Healthcare is no right. It’s a service “someone” has to pay for. People in the healthcare profession have a “right” to be payed for that service and a “responsible person” pays for his own. It’s so simple even a caveman or Libtard should be able to understand that.

  • s c

    Obiwan, calling someone a wackadoodle is not at all bad. There are more specific and exact terms, but wackadoodle is fine. So is moonbat.
    At the same time, while some of the more vocal
    wackadoodles/moonbats/airheads on this website are so ‘concerned’ about so-called rightwing ‘Christians,’ I’m very concerned about atheists, socialists, communists and assorted nation-destroyers who infest Washington. They have mixed MENTAL ILLNESS with POWER for so long that the combination is a DRUG. And, they do love staying in office for decades at a time. I’ll take my chances with a rightwing Christian. It’s the basket cases on the other side of the aisle who have to be watched – especially when they HATE the Second Amendment (but they claim to have a use for it).

  • Ellen

    Agree – WATCH OUR RIGHTS, they (know-it-alls) want to CONTROL US. We have a brain, KNOW how to use it and BELIEVE in FREEDOM!!

  • JeffH

    Hillary Clinton Commits To UN Small Arms Treaty.
    With willing one-world accomplices in Washington, D.C., gun-grabbers around the globe believe they have it made.

    In fact, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton just announced the Obama Administration would be working hand in glove with the UN to pass a new “Small Arms Treaty.”

    Disguised as legislation to help in the fight against “terrorism,” “insurgency” and “international crime syndicates,” the UN Small Arms Treaty is nothing more than a massive, GLOBAL gun control scheme.

    Ultimately, the UN’s Small Arms Treaty is designed to register, ban and CONFISCATE firearms owned by private citizens like YOU.

  • Ellen

    amlibe is a know account, who likes and finds his ejoyment in showing off!

  • Ellen

    James you are so RIGHT, sorry Celia if you lost a loved one at Ft.Hood you would understand.

  • obiwan

    s c,
    If you leave Atheists out of your mix I’ll agree with you. Atheism is not mutually inclusive with the political ideologies you’ve mentioned. Religious or Atheist is an entirely different thread and one that will never be resolved because of the emotional attachments
    people have to their viewpoints. We all “KNOW” that we’re right and there’s only one conclusive way to find out if we are. I can wait
    a few years longer for that.

  • American Liberal

    Raggs… I’ve read your post… You aren’t very bright.. Can’t you find some kids that will play cowboys with you?..

  • obiwan

    Johnny,
    The brainscans are on BO’s agenda. He hasn’t got to it yet. There
    will of course be a tax and surcharge for the procedure.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

    LIBERALS ARE CRIMINALS, LIERS,CHEATERS,BABY KILLERS, MURDERERS ETC.ETC.ETC

  • obiwan

    And thats just your neighbors. There should be a law against it.

  • Geronimo

    Die Pistole das ich trage am meistens ist eine alte urspringliche deutsche Parabellum Pistole, Mauser gemacht in 1939 Jahren. Seit so viele Jahren ich habe ihr gesetzlich und ungesetzlich getragt das ich fuhle das sie ist ein teil von mir. Manchmal als wenn ich bin mit meine liberalische Freunden ich ausziehe ihr und halte lange tiefe filosophiche Gesprache mit ihr. Auf deutch nautrlich weil sir ist ein deutsches Magdchen und sie vesteht mir am bestens als ich ihr auf deutsch spreche. Verstandbar, meine Freunden schauen am mir etwa fremd. Ich erklare dar wie ein Indianer ich nur habe eine tiefe geistlich Verbindung mit ihr, Meine Waffen sind mir heilig, und Sie alle Haben ihre eigene Geiste, und wie ein echt Kriegsmann ich musse eine gute Geisteliche Verbindung.

  • Yvan

    Way to go America, now every verbal desagreaments will be terminate by conceal weapons. Bunch of loose cannons shooting at each others. The good things about this law is when you are contipated you will have a handy tools to clear things down below.

  • BobB

    This is the right choice. Gun ownership and the right to carry it will deter crime. Basically it’s CYA… But in that right, one must learn the laws to use the weapon. Again CYA! Some states do prevent lawsuits when defending yourself, but others may not.

    I agree to CC, but training is a must.

    But I can see the media headlines now! CC defends himself against a 14 year old… 14 year dies from multiple head shots! 14 year was carrying toy gun…

    The US citizens are screwed either way!!!!!!!!!

  • BobB

    FOR none germans:
    The gun that I carry on most is an old German Luger pistol Delete Original, Mauser made in 1939 years. Since so many years I gave her the legal and illegal getragt I feel she is a part of me. Sometimes, as when I am with my liberal friends I undressed her and hold long conversations with her deep filosophiche. On deutch nautrlich because sir is a German and she Magdchen vesteht at her best when I am speaking in German. Verstandbar, my friends look at me as strange. I declare to represent as an Indian I only have a deep spiritual connection with her, My arms are sacred to me, and you have all of their own spirit, and like a true warrior, I have a good Geisteliche connection.

  • JC

    yes it is Jeff. So register nothing.

  • American Liberal

    Here’s a horrible thought…. A bunch of Rightwing ” Yosmite Sams” with guns….. Will you be packing your Guns in Walmart for your date nights Too?..Or when you take Grammy to the Hometown Buffett after Church on Sundays?

  • kate8

    I’ll say it again. As long as we have a run amok Congress and fraudulent POTUS who keep passing “laws” which infringe on our unalienable rights and human sovereignty, we need to refuse to comply. Period.

    They cannot succeed unless we bow down to them. They are in violation of the law of the land. We should not have to grovel and beg for them to give us our rights back, when they have no right to take them. We must STAND ON OUR RIGHTS AND OUR HUMANITY and REFUSE TO COMPLY.

    We have become so conditioned to bow to “authority” even when it means sacrificing ourselves and our nation. I’m sick of all this BS about how we need to elect Congressmen or find a judge who will defy
    this treasonous administration on our behalf. That may not happen.
    The bottom line is, it is up to us to stand our ground.

    We need to tell them all to kick rocks.

  • TIME

    Yvan, Get real.
    Your living in a Hollywhacky D rated movie world. Wake up and smell the real world, it can’t hurt you.
    That is unless you a little dinky stinky marxist like bubble head.

  • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

    Yvan;
    How long did it take you to think up that worthless ? ummm I mean post. People who don’t think any clearer than you, usually post at the daily kos Yvan.

  • TIME

    Hey Nan Wit, again now for how many times – where is it that we should be getting the stellar news that you think we should all be seeing?

    Can’t you address that simple question, or is it too hard for a guy thats near “going POSTAL?”

    Did you take your meds today? Do you have your lifts in your shoes? Did you wear your cod piece to impress?

    Any more Vitriol you wish to post about anyone who fails to agree with your famed in your own mind “pretzel logic”?

  • obiwan

    As a matter of fact, yes to both locations. Doesn’t that make you feel safe. And to think of all those years I spent overseas defending
    wackadoodle libtards like you. It would have been fun sitting you in a
    rice paddy without a weapon.

  • American liberal

    Try reading news papers….try common sense… And best of all try not lying to yourself….. Stop letting Rush get you all riled up…. Stop letting tubby Glenn Beck give you talking points like ” tyranny”.. Nazi .. Socialist… Read more… Maybe you should think about finishing grade school… Start using your own thoughts… Right now you’re nothing more than a Zombie….stop lying… Listen to all the news networks…. Fox isn’t news… Msnbc isn’t news… Rush isn’t news … Stop listening to the people that make a living riling you up…. Be your own person…… Common sense told me that it was the Neo conservative policys of Bushs administration that took out economy down .. You need to admitt that… You also need to admitt that the economys in better shape now than when President Obama took office…you need to admitt that if anything was ever tyranny or socialist and facist it was the last administration….. I’m not saying you have to support president Obama but I am saying you need to stop the lying .. And especially stop lying to yourself… If you want your guns.. Then fine, keep them but these rightwing articals drawing attention to guns makes you look violent… I’ll bet I have more guns then you, but I don’t want the attention on guns that you do…. Your being used.. Nobodys trying to take your guns or mine… President Obama has submitted no bill to take your guns… None.. The gun industry passed around the rumor so you’d go out and buy more guns and ammo.. And that’s how your being used…. This site is using you… Do you think Bob Livingston is going out to protest?.. Hell no.. They would rather you do it and they don’t want to pay the taxes your paying…. Your being used… Take control.. Stop being used.. You ask, and I told you.. Now it’s up to you

  • American Citizen

    You’re absolutely right, what if there was no healthcare system to begin with? We’d all be going to herbal practitioners, midwives, etc. Knowledge builds on knowledge which is why we have such a great healthcare system and it keeps on getting better. There are ways to help those who cannot help themselves as some states are doing, but to force me to pay for someone else’s healthcare is just plain wrong. To begin with, the only money the government has is to steal it from the citizens. User fees would be a better way to go in most instances.

  • American Citizen

    Don’t forget the chip they want to implant after doing the scan.

  • American Citizen

    How many times have we read where people were eating either in a fast food restaurant or some other kind of restaurant and someone with a gun walked in and started shooting It wasn’t a law-abiding citizen but in a few instances, someone who legitimately was carrying a gun was able to take the shooter out. it’s not the law-abiding people you need to fear.

  • American Citizen

    As for taking control, what do you think the Tea Party people are trying to do? They want the government to abide by the Constitution. We are now witnessing the most corrupt government we’ve probably ever had. They take an oath to uphold the Constitution but they’re doing everything but.

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    TO AMERICAN LIBERAL I SHOULD SAY AMERICAN COMMUNIST,WHO TOOK THE ECONOMY AWAY? IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT CLINTON GAVE THE AMERICAN ECONOMY AWAY( NAFTA) WOW! DOES IT STRIKE THE TRUTH,BUT THE SADDER THRUTH IS THE PEOPLE THAT HELD OFFICE BOTH PARTIES,DID NOT DO WHAT WE THE AMERICAN VOTER WANTED ,BECAUSE THE COMMUNIST AGENDA IN THIS COUNTRY,( THE NEW WORLD ORDER) RUN BY THE LEFT WING LIBERALS LIKE YOU ,WANT TO SEIZE POWER OVER THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY TRASHING THE ( UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS,JUST LIKE WHEN PELOSI AND FEINSTEIN GOT GUN CONTROL BILLS PASSED,TOTALY GOING AGAINST THE RIGHTS OF ALL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,THE BAD NEWS IS FOR YOUR COMMIE PINKO BUDDIES ,THE JIG IS UP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE WAKING UP AND THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY BIGTIME,SO WHEN YOU POST THE DRIBBLE THAT YOU CALL THE THRUTH,GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT AND DONT TRY TO SELL YOUR COMMUNIST HYPE TO PEOPLE THAT WANT A UNCORRUPTED WAY OF LIFE WITHOUT CROOKS AND LIBERALS BURNING THE HOUSE DOWN. WE WANT ALL OUR RIGHTS,BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE JUST PARROTS THAT PARROT THE SAME LEFT WING GARBAGE. BOO WHO WE WANT THIS,WE NEED THAT,OH GUNS WE DONT NEED THEM,WELL FINE GO LIVE IN THE SUDAN IN AFERICA,IM SURE THE PEOPLE THERE WELL LOVE YOU AS YOU DICTATE HOW TO RUN THEIR LIVES,THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU WOULD BECOME PART OF THE HISTORY OF THAT GARBAGE PIT. I LOVE IT WHEN SOMEONE OF YOUR CALIBER POST NOTHING BUT SELECTED PARTS OF THE FACTS IT SHOWS EVERYONE IN THIS NATION WE LIVE IN DANGEROUS TIMES AND WE CANT TRUST LIBERALS,CROOKS IN GOVERNMENT,AND COMMUNIST IN THIS NATION,FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING. AND YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN MORE LIKE A SHILL AND HYPESTER,AND TROUBLE MAKER. HAVE A ROTTEN DAY!

  • TIME

    Hi There nano wit,

    I don’t have cable TV so I don’t watch much of anything on a TV, I do get the NYT, I have a rather large book collection many books that date back to the 1600′s.
    Oh and you would have many more guns than I, why, I live in New York we can’t own them, thus I don’t own a single gun. And, I don’t need one, – but I should be able to own one if I so wished too.

    I see many of these persons in person, thus I guess I have a better grasp of what as well who they are and what they want out of the job.
    Thus I see what words they use, as well understand the acting aspect of all Politicians, – thus I am far more capable of grasping the real person behind the glam of the NEO – DC Progressive NWO gang.

    They say an apple falls not far from the tree, and in the NEO Progressive NWO gang thats the Truth.

    Ever read Marx? How about Mao?
    Ever spoken to a WWII camp inmate?
    Ever spoken with people who live in China? How about anyone who lives in say, Cuba? Or someone who did live in Cuba pre Castro?
    Ever spoken with someone from Cambodia after the Pot Pol?
    Ever spoken with any folks in Russia?

    Ever been to Africa?
    Ever been to Eastern Europe?
    How about just after the wall came down?
    How about did you travel around when there, as in you drove somewhere off the beaten path?

    Ever been able to grasp what the European life style is?

    When you live it, what you see is much differant than what some dweeb writes in a news paper? Or shows your bleeding heart on 20/20 or 60 Minutes.
    Ever been interviewed for the news? Ever see how that gets changed around when posted to the new?

    I have done all the above, and far more.

    So when your world gets bigger than a PC, let me know, – until then try and act like a basic adult on this sight and stop being such donkey. Thank you.

  • Al Sieber

    Hey Amer. Lib. this law is for Ariz. as long as you stay out of here, you’ll be safe. the economy is in a slow controlled decline, pretty soon we’ll be heading the way of the Weimar Republic or Greece, Iceland. Hyperinflation is on it’s way, then even you will need a gun. you have about a year before your money is worthless.

  • Mike In MI

    Damn right he hasn’t submitted any bills and that’s why I’m rally mad at him and Hillary. They’re gonna do it through the back door or coming up through the sewer. What is going to be done is one day hillary will negotiate a treaty with the one worlders and bring it home in the night. Then they’ll summon the Senate, anybody who happens to be in D.C. on that weekend – forewarned Democrats all. Then at about 2:30 AM they’ll vote and the Democrats present will pas it. Somehow obama will be on hand to sign it, immediately. That will make the treaty oficial and we will be

  • Mike In MI

    Damn right he hasn’t submitted any bills and that’s why I’m rally mad at him and Hillary. They’re gonna do it through the back door or coming up through the sewer. What is going to be done is one day hillary will negotiate a treaty with the one worlders and bring it home in the night. Then they’ll summon the Senate, anybody who happens to be in D.C. on that weekend – forewarned Democrats all. Then at about 2:30 AM they’ll vote and the Democrats present will pass it. Somehow obama will be on hand to sign it, immediately. That will make the treaty official and we will be required to turn in our firearms in compliance with international treaty laws.
    That will probably be how obama and crew will do the getting rid of private gun ownership. Hillary is doing the negotiations, right now.

  • American Citizen

    As my son said the other night, every politician should serve two terms, one in office and one in prison.

  • kate8

    We have to decide if we are free spiritual beings, or if we are
    nothing more than livestock.

  • JeffH

    kate8, I like “We need to tell them all to kick rocks.” That rocks girl!
    What’s a cow say? MOOOOOO
    What’s a liberal say? BAAAAA
    Whats a conservative say? GO KICK ROCKS FOOL!

  • Rob

    I remember watching this movie where this guy came
    in this bar to rob it and he pulled out his gun and
    there were about 25 people there and the next thing
    you know 25 people pulled out their guns.

    Well needless to say he didn’t get away with it.lol

    I would love to see this law get past in every state.

  • spooky_t

    He sounds like a highly intelligent young man… home schooled right?

  • Jim H.

    American Citizen,Here in Illinios the governors already do that.

  • Geronimo

    My weapons are only part of my arsenal. Other components are intellectual and spiritual. For instance I keep up with my speciality(Foreign Languages). I speak seven now and try to add new ones. I try to develop spiritually by nurturing the spirit of independence and rationality and raising my awareness of everything. I see a new awakening here in this land. The tea party is only the outward manifestation. We are in a cultural war with the left trying to redefine the culture in an alien and abhorant marxist manner. I as an Indian try to keep the spirit of freedom alive and keep a deep and lasting spiritual connection with the land and the people. I am a true warrior and gentleman, trying to do my best in whatever situation I encounter

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Nano wit ,
    you speak of polio. If it happens to flair up, the costs will be horrendous. There were people that didn’t come down with it as their lineage had some natural immunity to it. We will not even have that as we will have no immunity to it! how many will die or be crippled before they get a good enough supply to treat everybody??? Same with Chicken pox. many had less than a bad fever and a few pock marks after it was over. Now they want to vaccinate every kid against it> What do you think is going to happen a couple of generations from now when someone happens to come here from Europe and is “hot”? Just like with the native Americans, people will DIE from lack of immunity!!!

  • Mike In MI

    First of all Am Glib, you’re wrong. You should read up on the vaccination literature before you open your big bazoo. If there were any pretense of wiping out those infections we wouldn’t still be vaccinating, would we? Back in the eighties the idea was promulgated that small pox had been eradicated. Then there was a flare up in the Southwest. OOPS! Not eradicated. In fact, it’s more likely at the present pace antibiotic resistance occurs the bugs will eradicate us. At any rate those of “us” who listen to MD’s who say they can keep
    “us” “safe”. (Dr’s like Dr. Wiley who writes for Bob Livingston excepted.)

    Vaccines, as presently used, are only ruining the immune systems of young and old. It is a lie that vaccines were the great health leap that knocked out whooping cough and tetanus. It was the introduction of hygiene, sewer systems, clean water and healthier foods. Am Glib you’re using a lie to bolster weak logic and a bad arguement – as usual.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Hey Am Lib,
    you read your newspapers and watch your lib shows, I’ll read the constitution!!! It says it all!!!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    obiwan,
    the rice paddy water level would have risen!!!

  • Mike In MI

    Joe H.
    Please, for your own safety get over the idea that these infectious
    “bugs” are so devastatingly virulent. They aren’t if your defenses are strong. You can not get sick all the time if your immune system, nervous system, skin, liver and blood purification functions are strong. All of that you can take care of yourself with non-costly, simple self care: nutritional supplements and raw foods, self hygiene,
    clean air and home, massage, body detoxification, attitude and expectation to be healthy. You have been sold the idea to fear ‘germs’, on purpose. Fear and stress are emotions that ruin the immune system’s ability to respond when you need it.
    Do it. If you don’t ObamaCare will do you. This is the only health “right” you have, that you can tend your own health. It is the only health “right” in town.

  • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

    TIME;
    Out here in my part of the country, where the American Liberal nano wittless dude is afraid to enter, we call his kind ——. He is waaaay too short on neurons & synapses to be classified as anything else.

  • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

    Censored word again.. A$$clowns is what we call liberals (words removed) where I live.
    Why does that word get censored?

  • FreedomFighter

    Good people packing heat makes me feel safe.

    FreedomFighter

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Mike,
    Even the native Americans died from small pox and I don’t think there were a healthier living group than them. They had no natural immunity to it!! We are raising a generation of kids that have no immunities to even dirt! I don’t use anti-bacterial products as I don’t believe they help a bit, in fact they make us non-immune to all sorts of bacterial infections! I don’t get the flu vaccine and when the hospital wouldn’t supply anyone to sit with my handicapped kid with the h1n1 flu I sat with him for a week straight!! never even got a case of the sniffles! As for Obummer care, stick that where the sun don’t shine!!!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Jim H.
    I hear the second term is gonna be longer than the first!

  • Gregory Badger

    The first and foremost reason for United States citizens to keep and bear arms is to keep politicians and the courts honest. Various countries are warning us to hold on to this right or lose all freedom.

    “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln

    “If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed, if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.” Winston Churchill

    When seconds count the Police are only minutes away – but they will bring a broom. I cannot depend on the police to defend me or my family from criminals. Ask the gentle citizens of England who are being murdered in their own homes by criminals with guns because the government took the gentle citizens guns away.

    “A Society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.” – Bertrand de Jouvenal; “A liberal is a communist who lacks the guts to admit it.”

    “Don’t explain: your friends don’t need it and your enemies won’t believe you anyway.”

  • Roy Rogers

    Yep, the definition of “GUN CONTROL” is: HITTING WHAT YOU’RE AIMING FOR”. Here are the words my dearly departed grandfather gave to me at the age of 7 (in 1957 in Texas where I am from):

    “Son, a hand gun is only good for one thing – killing another man. Son, don’t EVER pull out a gun unless you intend to use it. And never, EVER, shoot to wound. ALWAYS, shoot to kill.”

    ME: Why, Papaw?

    “Son, because dead men tell NO LIES”.

    So that is the decision one must make PRIOR to ever unholstering a fire arm.

  • http:realamericans-standup.blogspot.com Benny

    My father told me the same thing except for one thing. If he’s out side drag him inside.

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