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Committee Set To Decide On Fate Of Birthright Citizenship Bill

February 14, 2011 by  

Committee set to decide on fate of birthright citizenship billThe Senate Judiciary Committee in Arizona has tentatively scheduled a vote to decide whether to advance a measure that would eliminate birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants.

According to media reports, State Senator Ron Gould (R-Lake Havasu City) — a sponsor of the bill and chairman of the committee — called off a previously scheduled vote because he thought the legislation would have been defeated. Gould said that he plans to seek a vote on Feb. 14.

Senate Bill 1070, if approved by Arizona's legislature, would define a United States citizen as an individual who has been naturalized or who has at least one parent who has no allegiance to a foreign country. Supporters of the measure, which was crafted by State Senator Russell Pearce (R-Mesa), believe that this law would prevent taxpayers from having to cover the costs of services to illegal immigrants and their children.

Opponents of the bill claim that the law would violate the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which grants citizenship to "all persons born or naturalized" in the country. However, advocates for the legislation argue that the 14th Amendment was never intended to apply to children born of illegal immigrants.

In an interview with CNN, Pennsylvania State Representative Daryl Metcalfe (R-Butler) cited statements from former U.S. Representative John Bingham (R-Ohio), who is considered one of the fathers of the 14th Amendment. During an 1866 Congressional debate, Bingham said that birthright citizenship should not apply to children whose parents owe their allegiance to a foreign nation, according to Metcalfe. 

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  • http://naver samurai

    Bingham was right, of course. Why do libs always cry the 14th Amendment? Don’t these morons know that the 14th Amendment dealt with children of former slaves and has nothing to do with illegals and their kids? I just don’t understand why libs always want to add things to our Constitution that wasn’t there in the first place. If you do, you change the whole meaning of the document or amendment. I hope Arizona passes this and I hope that the Sheriff of Maricopa County calls me up. I’ll help to enforce this law. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Michael J.

      samurai,
      I’d vote for that and while we’re at it make the law retroactive. Then start the roundup of criminals who broke the law by illegally entering the country. Such perpetrators when apprehended and after being found guilty, should be sentenced to six months hard labor constructing border fortifications for each year they illegally squatted in this country.

      • pat

        amen amen asmen, they have NO US right to citizenship when the PARENTS “SNUCK” in here ILLEGALLY. They have no right to receive welfare of tax dollars that we worked so hard to pay for, so that we would be caared for in old age. GOVERNMENTS GOT IT ALL WRONG.

        • J.M.R.

          good posts i agree go jan brewer

      • Public Citizen

        The constitution specifically prohibits ex-post-facto laws.
        The simple test for the 14th amendment is the citizenship status of offspring of foreign diplomats who were born in the United States. They are not and never have been considered to have any claim to United States citizenship.
        Since the offspring of a class of foreign nationals who are here legally have no claim on citizenship then BY DEFINITION the offspring of those who have no legal status have no claim on citizenship. An additional test that may be applied is the draft.
        Only citizens and resident legal aliens my be made subject to a draft. Without passing this test then the offspring are automatically in the same category as the offspring of the foreign diplomatic corps.
        The key to the entire problem is liberal judges ignoring the laws and legislating from the bench. As long as judges remain immune from prosecution for overstepping their authority this [and other issues] will continue to plague our society.
        When individual citizens are granted standing to sue BY STATUTE then we will begin to see the brakes put on judicial excess.
        Every United States citizen should have this right as we are, collectively and individually, the ultimate guardians of the constitution and the limits it places on government.

        • Dan az

          If the people (even individually) were to exercise their right to demand proof of authority, such Acts would simply disappear. That right is actually quite easy to enforce through a Quo Warranto action. Quo Warranto is a Latin term that means, “By what authority?” A Quo Warranto action is one of the oldest common law right actions. It compels a Writ to remove an official from office for acting without lawful authority. It asks three questions:

          1. Was anything done to get you into office that was unlawful?
          2. Have you failed to do anything you are required to do?
          3. Have you done anything while in office that you are forbidden from doing?

          If the answer to any of those questions is “yes”, Quo Warranto applies and oustal from office is the mandatory remedy. Here is how a Quo Warranto action works to secure the remedy.

          • Dan az

            Think of it; if one person was to use a Quo Warranto action and hold one congressman from their State accountable for voting for the unlawful mandatory health bill, that would not only remove that congressman from office but it would end the health bill as well. That means the individual man, exercising his rights, can do what 17 Attorneys General could not do.And if a judge over steps his authority then the same action could be applied to him as well.

      • EddieW

        I write to my senators and Rep’s weekly about different bills, I am certainly for this one!! When neither parent is a citizen, and they came in illegaly, the child has no claim on citizenship!! As they only come here to have the kid with their hand out for all the free goodies taxpayers have to give them!! They hate our country other than that!!

    • s c

      Samurai, this is what moonbat progressives do. They have no interest in letting the Constitution get in the way of their anti-American, utopian schemes.
      Their favorite trick is to read things into the Constitution that are so misguided and utterly out of context that they can interpret and re-interpret anything and pretend to safeguard the nation’s moral compass at the same time. What it does is to mock every legal and moral standard found in the Constitution.
      In the case of illegals, progressives intend to grant them protected status. This will let them have millions of easy votes. Now that the Supreme Court has been stacked with loose cannons, it may be very difficult to get enough judges to render a decision that keeps the intent and purpose of the Constitution intact.

      • http://naver samurai

        100% agree with you, fellow patriot! 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • 45caliber

        For any community to succeed, it needs a basis that cannot be changed. Then any decision must be examined against that basis. If it does not fit, it cannot be done.

        The US has the Constitution as our basis for law. If it is revoked, then we have no basis except what someone believes should be the law at the moment. For instance, someone could make a law that everyone has to wear green. After all, it is his favorite color. But it may not be the favorite color of others and they may run out of the green dye. And when the next person comes in to make a decision, it would be immediately changed – which gives no continuity of law. You would be subject to whatever change the decision maker might like – good or bad.

        And that is the problem with the liberals trying to re-inturpret the Constitution to what they want it to say. They are simply taking any continuity away from us so they can pass their law of the moment.

      • newland65

        hello! obummer has thing’s his way,blame someone else… all the law maker’s at fault,they may be book smart,but don’t know diddly of real life.. I only hope that all the other states that want to pass law’s like Gov.Brewer,do so and do it now.. but they don’t want to listen to the people,the only thing going for us, is what happened in the middle east.. Mr>President,congress,,,LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE

    • Wanda Murline

      If you read the 14th Amendment it states that these children are to be born to subject to the “jurisdiction” thereof. Since they are here illegally, then they are not subject to the “jurisdiction” of the US, therefore, their children are should not be granted citizenship just because they dropped them in the US.

      • JUKEBOX

        I heard that there are dozens of babies born with a seperated elbow, which was caused by the baby trying to hang on until his mother got across the border.

        • 45caliber

          You heard it too, huh? I’m surprised that the libs haven’t declared it an epidemic for them to solve with our money.

        • Chilidog

          oh, was that a joke?

          • http://naver samurai

            Yes it was and a darn good one too. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://naver sook young

          Very funny and thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

      • http://Google.com Gary G.

        I could not have said it any better, you are right on, true and correct!!!!

    • Stan Smith

      Yes I hope that will pass no more instant citizenship to the children of illegals as long both parents are illegal. People missed few other big problems that Illegals contribute! It’s not just free govt give away ie wefare & education, stealing americans votes ect those everyday problems you hear! Okay I said it before the other problems they caused!
      1. They contribute to our overpopulation problems they keep coming here illegally popping babies faster than lazy US welfare mamas like a pez dispenser1 We can’t accommodate that many people The govt will say Let’s drain the the tax payers more! 2. They help drive up the cost of food. The Farmers can’t keep up with the supply & demand plus if there was a drought or flood or frost it will drive the cost of food even more because we have too many people because of Illegals and their kids! 3. They help contribute to drive up the cost of housing and land, Sorry Tree huggers Libtards! We have to gobble up more Land to build more housing for Illegals Bye Ponds & Lakes, wetlands, sorry ducks, bears, racoons, elk you have to move! They need a roof over their heads! No instant US citizen crap! Get in Line like everyone else. The LEGAL WAY!

    • Dave

      Well, Mr. Expert on the Constitution…

      Sure the 14th Amendment was aimed at giving citizenship to freed blacks. But there was no doubt in the Senate debate that the Citizenship Clause would also give citizenship to the children of immigrants.

      The line “subject to the jurisdiction,” according to the debates, was included to exclude

      a- the children of Native Americans
      b- the children of diplomats

      and that’s it!

      Senator Cowan, who was against the 14th amendment altogether, was worried that the 14th amendment would give citizenship to the “Mongols” and the “gypsies,” something he obviously did not want because of nativist fears. This proves that even the person who was against granting citizenship to the children of immigrants knew what the citizenship clause was capable of doing exactly that.

      The 14th amendment, expressly, grants birthright citizenship. Sorry to burst your bubble…

      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong answer! It covered children of former slaves and not the children of law breakers. Get your facts straight before you post. They aren’t children of diplomats or any other “legal” group or individuals. Send them all back home together, then you won’t need to hear the lib, gay loving, baby killing marxists cry about separating the family. Sound like your not to bright on the Constitution, moron! 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://www.diyyardandhome.com Dan

    Close the borders, then offer anyone who returns to Mexico voluntarily 20 grand or so. They would be flocking back to the border in droves and 20 grand per illegal is peanuts compared to what they cost us now. Then round up those who don’t volunteer and escort them to the border.

    • Michael J.

      Dan,
      Hell, I’d go to Mexico for 20G’s. But seriously though, monetary incentives would turn the border into a revolving door. There’s just too much potential for abuse with that idea.

      • Dan az

        Hey michael
        Did you read this today?
        http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=263797

        • Al Sieber

          Dan az, thanks for the link.

        • Michael J.

          Dan az,
          Suspected since the Bush administration that the coming North American Union was the reason our borders were not being protected. Figured they wanted us to become accustomed to our new neighbors.

    • newland65

      the only sad part of what you ask for, is that they will keep comming back,so they can get more money.. Look at the hit-run driver,in colorado that had been caught 2 to3 times,but kept comming back..

    • http://Google.com Gary G.

      Dan, the problem with your scenario is they would be back the next week!

  • Cathy

    I hope that Arizona passes this and then the rest of the states pass this. Maybe then the trafficing of herion in my small town of lawrenceburg indiana will stop by these illegal immigrants

    • newland65

      the goverment won’t stop the drug’s,they want their kickback’s.. now really,, you know I’m right

  • Dagney

    If the 14th Amendment means that anyone born in the U.S. is automatically a citizen, then why did we need to do the “Indian Act of 1924″ or what was commonly known as the “Snyder Act”? Hmmmmmm? Ask any progressive this and enjoy watching their head explode.

    • eddie47d

      Okay Dagney why were America’s first citizens denied rights of citizenship until 1924? That sounds more like a Conservative plot to keep others from voting. Kind of like Conservatives who kept blacks from voting in the South or those Conservatives who tried to deny women the right to vote. The only heads that should be exploding would be Conservative blacks or Indians or all women who they kept from voting. Especially those who were denied citizenship. Those are also the kinds of issues that were left out of history books in the “good ol’ days” that some of you say were so accurate.

      • Brad

        So Edwardo,

        What’s your point, the article challenges the 14th amendment, because the illegal broke the law coming into this country and then having a baby doesn’t give that child born here citizinship.

        Section 1:

        All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

        Did you read the little item that says SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF, if some one is here illegaly they have commited a crime against said jurisdiction. Said illegal has no rights and said child born here has no rights, that’s just my view on the matter. Care to debate the subject further?

        • eddie47d

          I was responding to the Indian Act of 1924. Where certain people who were born here or lived here all their lives still weren’t considered full fledged citizens. The Bill of Rights were manipulated by their foes to keep them from achieving full equality.

          • Brad

            Edwardo,

            I’m taking it you didn’t want to debate the 14th Amendmant, but wanted to change the subject.

          • eddie47d

            My comment was to Dagney so nobody but yourself was changing the subject. As far as the 14th Amendment goes I believes all babies born in the USA can become a citizen.The Right are the ones trying to change or abolish this Amendment. That puts the Right on that slippery slope.

          • Dan az

            So eddie
            with 300,000 being born here per year do you think that its going to get a little crowded?Check this site out on what has just been passed by big sis in november.The numbers are staggering.
            http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=263797

        • http://Google.com Gary G.

          AMEN!!! Thank god for realistic people in an unrealistic liberal progressive communist society!

        • http://naver samurai

          That’s true and that’s one thing the lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxists don’t like, the TRUTH. They would rather see this country fall apart instead of going by our Constitution, written by our Christian founding fathers. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • independant thinker

        “Those are also the kinds of issues that were left out of history books in the “good ol’ days” that some of you say were so accurate.”

        Speak for your self. I was taught that and I graduated high School in 1964.

  • Raggs

    Arizona is doing a good thing but I bet ten dollars that the government will sue!

    • Al Sieber

      I hope it passes, it’s a mess out here. we don’t care if the Govt. sues, we’re counter suing the Fed. Govt. now for not enforcing the immigration laws, not protecting the residents of Ariz., not closing our borders, etc. not doing their job..

      • Raggs

        Your right… I still cannot figure out why we have a so called president that doesn’t even try to protect this country. I don’t understand why he isn’t in jail.

        • 45caliber

          The foremost job of a President is to secure our borders. I would consider a failure to even try as grounds of treason.

      • newland65

        now come on,,, leave the state,so the folk’s across the border can have more land… then leave the next state that they take over,, and so on so forth,,, they will never quit. Fix their goverment,the problem would be solved…

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Al Sieber,
        did you see where the port security at San Diego slipped and admitted a WMD HAS been found on American soil??? Now customs is scrambling trying to cover it up!!!

  • http://Yahoo Rob

    This issue with “ILLEGALS” in this country is absolutely disgusting. ILLEGALS receiving freebies and living off the backs of LEGAL citizens. Even more disgusting, how is it that ILLEGALS are even given access to $Billions$ of free healthcare, foodstamps, education, and the list goes on. This issue of ILLEGALS entering and living in the United States IS and HAS been allowed by both the REPUBS and the DEMS. There is only one words to describe this fiasco. “AGENDA”.

    • JUKEBOX

      China built the great wall a thousand years ago with primitive methods to keep aliens out, and it has been effective for a very long time. Why, with our modern technology, can we not build as viable a solution as the ancient Chinese did?

      • newland65

        the reason we can’t and don’t do what they did,is called GREED

        • Dan az

          Actually I think the government tried to out source the job to Mexico by giving them billions to build the fence but they built it on the wrong end of their country to keep out there invaders with our tax money!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Jukebox,
        They couldn’t do that! Just think of all those poor animals that couldn’t migrate, especially the two legged ones!!!

  • Nick Hlavaty

    Obviously the 14th ammendment was for a different time and a different people. It wasn’t meant to allow pregnant latinas to sneak over the border in order to assure US citizenship for their offspring. This is blatant abuse of a loophole in our constitution and mexicans know that, we know that, and our leaders in Washington DC know that. So, isn’t it way past time to close this loophole? Let’s put a stop to Birthright Citizenship and Anchor Babies. AMERICA for AMERICANS!

    • eddie47d

      So there are loopholes. Is that a Conservative loophole or a Liberal loophole?

      • JUKEBOX

        It’s a new voter loophole, mainly liberal, for they comprise the bulk of the welfare recipients.

    • Chilidog

      ===It wasn’t meant to allow pregnant latinas to sneak over the border in order to assure US citizenship for their offspring.===
      ======

      How many actually do that? a couple hundred, maybe a couple thousand per year? big deal.

      • Michael J.

        Chilidog,
        If it’s no big deal, then I’m sure you won’t mind paying for it!

      • Dan az

        an estimated 300,000 children of illegal immigrants born in the United States every year, according to the Pew Hispanic Center. They’re given instant citizenship because they are born on U.S. soil, which makes it easier for their parents to become U.S. citizens.

        That’s because those babies can eventually sponsor their parents – when they turn 21 years old.

      • http://naver samurai

        What is your major mental malfunction? Get off of the kool aid. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    You are all right to some degree. You know, if I wanted to be a Mexican citizen, I would move to Mexico. There are some towns in the
    USA where the Mexicans out number American citizens.When illigals
    come to this country and drop babies that automatialy become US citizens, the parents usally stay with the kids. Our Spanish population keeps growing by leaps and bounds. I don`t know about you, but I`m sick of it. Just the way they act in their own country, killing each other at a rate never seen before, choping heads off,drug cartels, and a way of life that most of us aren`t use to.
    We had the Italian mafia, now we have the Mexican gangs. Even the American gangs in the inercities are scared to death of these people.
    They make our own gangs more violent,because they have to be this way to surrive. We are one of few countries that practice this law, if
    you are born here, you automatic are a citzen. I for one, don`t want
    to have to speak Spanish in my own country. English is our language,
    lets keep it that way.If your Send back all illigals, I don`t care if it takes 20 years, do it. If the Dems. don`t like it ,tough.
    Is it any wonder, we perform so low in math and the sciences compared
    to alot of the other countires in the world. We not only let in the poor, but we let in the stupid, as well as the criminal, from these 3rd world countries.

    • JUKEBOX

      I have seen a carload of these illegals stop on the side of the interstate, jump out of the car & urinate in the wide open spaces in front of the whole world. Wouldn’t you love to have your young children witness something like this. These people have no respect for our laws or our citizens. They are here to take our money and send it back home from the local WalMart. Our local jails have a hispanic population of nearly 50%, mostly illegals. All Americans are paying for this FOREIGN AID.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        JUKEBOX…. Maybe chain gangs should come about again. You are illegal, you’re caught, you work the chain gang. Maybe we could put them to work on the boarder wall! Free labor! What a concept! We supply the materials, they do the work.

        • Dan az

          Robin
          We have chain gangs here complements of sheriff Joe!

        • http://Google.com Gary G.

          Chain gangs in Arizona are a reality today, the greatest Sheriff in America makes them wear pink striped overalls and work the the road ways for their board and a tent

          • Dan az

            Gary I like that board and tent.Very true!

        • JUKEBOX

          Maybe we could subcontract the supervisory work to the Chinese, since they have a way of getting more productive work out of people, and don’t believe in unions.

          • Dan az

            And I like the way they fire the bosses!

      • Chilidog

        How did you know thatthey were illegal? was it just becasue they were urinating on the side of the road? I’ve seen plenty of redneck trailer trash do that as well.

        • JUKEBOX

          I hollered INS at them as I passed, and they ran in eight different directions.

          • Dan az

            I yell out elmeagra you never saw them move so fast!

        • http://naver samurai

          Ah yes, redneck trailer trash? Trying to show your prejudiced side are we? 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • eddie47d

      How many Italians were deported because of what the Mafia did? We’ve gone through with these situations with most ethnic groups at one time or another.Is it the right wing of this country who is trying to change our Constitution to fit their wants and the way they would like things to be? I don’t agree that a women in Juarez should be allowed to come across the border and have a baby in El Paso then claim American citizenship. If that is her sole purpose then she should sign papers and be forced to go back to Mexico once the baby is born. We can be humanitarian and legal at the same time. If a Mexican has a green card and has been in this country for more than 9 months-one year then I believe that child should be given citizenship. The parents would still have to apply for the same citizenship even if it takes years.

      • JLC

        Eddie47d — If your hypothetical Mexican has a “Green Card,” she IS NOT illegal!!

        • eddie47d

          So you are saying someone with a green card is legal and their child is then legal.

          • JLC

            eddie47d — I am saying that the person holding a green card is here legally. Whether or not the child is legal is not for me to decide ——I am an engineer, not a lawyer

      • JUKEBOX

        We did not have 12 million illegal Italians in this country at any time in the past, and there were only a few counterfit green cards.

  • 45caliber

    It is an excellent idea but I don’t see the feds agreeing that it is legal as long as they want the illegals to come here.

  • CWS

    Why is it we don’t have a national vote and get it over with, after all, by the people for the people.

    • 45caliber

      Because both parties know that we would vote against what they want.

    • 45caliber

      Some years ago, I listened to two people arguing about abortion, for and against. Both insisted that the majority of people were on their side.

      I suggested that we have an election to be decided by the majority instead of trying to go through courts. And BOTH of them thought that was a bad idea.

      • http://Google.com Gary G.

        Abortion went through the courts and the supreme court made it’s decision, it truly should not be a political issue in todays politics

        • http://naver samurai

          The heck it shouldn’t! Just wait. Maybe next year there may be so little abortions in this country that it won’t be worth mentioning. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://aol carol

    They come here for money, men came for jobs or to escape the police in their home countries and woman come for the money having a child here will bring them. I agree the law needs to written to stop this money grab but disagree that it states one parent needs to be a citizen or here legally. The law should state The Mother because you know Who the mother is and cannot prove who the father is without expensive dna testing. The wording of one parent will open the door to yet another money making fraud where people will pay for the use of a name on the birth certificate just as they now pay for social security numbers

  • Chilidog

    I don’t know why people keep citing Bingham, as he did not write the citizenship clause of either the civil rights act or the 14th amendment. Furthermore, it is clear that his view of the limitations of that clause were NOT shared by others.

    • http://naver samurai

      They are today. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    CWS,
    If the politicans won`t listen to us ,then lets force them to let us have a up and down vote on this problem.It`s been a while since they have listened to us. You would think that after the 2010 election they would would start. Obama and his Progressive agenda, are still pressing forward even after their loses. He thinks, and his budies think, because he lost the Independents and the Black vote didn`t get out in force to vote is the reason the Progressives ( Dems ) lost the election.He still thinks he`s God and when he runs he wii win. Obama thinks, that he knows whats best for you and because he is God, you think he knows whats best for you. He might get the Black vote back because they don`t know any better.( 96% ) I don`t think he will get the Independents or the true Democrats back. They are to smart to get fooled a second time. By the way, I`m one of those Independents,by
    once way of being a Democrat.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Carol,
    You are right!!! How about making bith parents legal????

  • charles

    We’re acting as if this is a new issue. It is not. Pres. Reagan gave amnesty to millions in the 80′s thinking that it would stop, it did not. The Government (Federal) has abdictated it’s responsibility to secure the homeland against all enemies Forien and Domestic. The both major parties want either cheap labor or votes. Ten years after 9/11 and we still have no control over eho enters and resides here. Disgracefull.

    • Dan az

      charles
      when Reagan gave amnesty it was with the premise that the borders would be closed but the democraps that had majority at the time said sure they will but changed their minds or just flat lied!which one do you think is correct!

    • 45caliber

      They also said there were only about 300,000 here – and three million came forward. But when they were to renew their cards, less than 10% did. I suspect that we’ll find the same thing now if we again offer amnesty. Instead of the 20 mil they tell us is here we’ll have ten times that amount come up. Or at least some big number.

    • http://Google.com Gary G.

      The real reality regarding Illegal immigration and secure borders go back 25yrs

      • JUKEBOX

        It goes back further than that. I remember that in the fifties in Memphis, we had an INS force that regularly patrolled the bus station and train station, checking work permits. They were very active there, because of the migrant farm workers being bussed in during the planting and harvesting season in Arkansas, Mississippi and Tennessee.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    eddie47d,
    I didn`t say Mexicans or anybody else can`t come to this country
    legally. As for humanitarian aid, no country in the world gives more
    than we do.What do you want us to do, send boats around to every 3rd
    world country and say jump on? We have all the food, housing, jobs,
    and space for everyone to come to America and live with us.That would get rid of all the problems in the world except for here. A green
    card is not a way to become a citzen. A person with a green card, who elects to not become a citizen can stay here for ever. They get all the benifits of this country except the right to vote, also it is eaiser to deport them if they are convicted of a crime.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    eddie47d,
    As for the Italians getting deported, we did`t have them comming across our borders by the thousands illegaly.Over Fourteen milion illegally in this country. Pray tell,how many Italians are there?I would imagine, you could count them on one hand.

    • eddie47d

      So you are saying there are too many Mexicans to suit your taste and if the Italians were in the millions then they would be the bad guys. I’m all for responsible population numbers but not for ethnic reasons.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        eddie47d… You really have a knack of turning a post around to fit your way of thinking. Personally if Martians came to earth and decided they wanted to live the United States rather than Africa, I would still consider them illegals unless they filled out the paperwork and made an alliance to our country. So many of the Mexicans continue to align themselves with Mexico. If they don’t want to be Americans all the way, then they need to go back. I’ ve seen pictures of the Mexican flag flying above the American flag. My heart would break to see that happen right in front of me. You can’t deny that they are here for the handouts. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out! I work in a school. I see how they are coddled and given special classes in English. I wonder how many of the Italians were treated that way?

        • eddie47d

          Yes,those Italian kids were given special classes in English.I believe the parents had to go to night classes on their own. Besides Italians didn’t come to America for seasonal work. Their incentive was stronger unlike with many of those from south of the border. Would you become proficient in French and the laws of France if you only worked there for 3 months picking grapes and then returned to the US every year? You’d still be an American with American customs. Why does the US make it so hard for people from Mexico to achieve citizenship? If those doing seasonal work wish to return to Mexico then that is their business. If they choose to stay then why all the roadblocks? We need a better way to process those who come to America and especially those who come here legally. Obviously the illegal ones will take longer but they should have known that when they crossed the border.

          • JUKEBOX

            None of the Italian kids I went to school with in the forties were ever given special English classes. Their grandparents did not speak English at all, and their parents wer usually bi-lingual. The Columbians spoke very little English, and had a hard time learning.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Hey Charles,
    You need to put no 2 after your name so we don`t get mixed up. I do
    agree 100% of what you posted.>>>> Good Show!!!

  • Harold

    How can we allow the Federal government Not be limited by the Constitution? The Democrats seem to want to ignore the Constitution and the people, WE THE PEOPLE.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Harold,
    There is no longer a Democrat party.It is now the Progressive party
    ran by a bunch of Marxist. More people that are Democrats that vote know this and will vote Republican this next Presidental election.
    They know this is the only way they will get their party back. We
    need a strong Democrat party as well as a strong Republican party.
    What we don`t need, is a Commie Progressive party.The Democrats,
    Republicans, Independents, must work together to take back our country from these very people who are tryiny to destroy it. THIS MEANS people BLACK,RED,YELLOW, OR WHITE must work together for a common Goal to drive these people from Washington FOREVER.Then maybee, 2016 we can have once again, a true election between our two
    great parties.And no matter who wins or loses, we all as Americans can back who ever is elected.We must say no to the PROGRESSIVES.

  • Lana

    I am Naturalized American, also aka immigrant. And my view on Birthright Law is that ONLY child of One or Two parents US Citizens is Born Citizen. For whatever reason and purpose this Birthright LAW was written 150 years ago, none of them exist any longer. Now this Law is exploited by lawers and so-called pro-immigrants -activists to enrich themseves and badly abused by immigrants, legal and illegal alike. But that why this Law will never be overturned, even so that is only right thing to do – to much money involved. Birthright Law is a fastest way for immigrants to get what they come to USA for- welfare. You have Birth Cert. – and no one is going to ask parent’s legal status,so they can get welfare truely for free, unlike any legal person who pays that taxes from moment he was born. And that creates tension between people which politicians exploit for their purpose. But the Truth is: it is not that LAW created a problem, but the welfare did.If not of the welfare, it will be no immigration to US If you can make it here, you can get almost anything with little or no pay. It is not really the Law that abused, but the American welfare System. And as long as welfare exists, there will be immigrants, wave after wave, there is no way to stop it. It is stupid Not to come, if you can get everything for free and screem about your rights if you do not get everything you want. NO Law or fence can stop it. Change welfare, then immigration will stop itself BUT I do not have even a DREAM, it may happen ever.

    • 45caliber

      Good comment, Lana.

    • http://naver samurai

      100% agree. 하나님 하고 나라를 위해서! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • LC in SC

    They should not have to pass a state law for that. The 14th Amendment which covers that issue was never legally ratified. As the southern states were being re-admitted to the union and only one state was yet to be admitted, congress submitted the amendment for ratification. Only one of the southern states, North Carolina, ratified it. Congress then expelled the states voting against it and made ratification a condition to be re-admitted. Those states caved in.

    • http://Google.com Gary G.

      Your right about the 14th amendment, however, the 16th amendment was not ratified either….the right of the government to collect income taxes

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Edie47,
    If ethnic reasons aren`t enough,then what is.I don`t want any country
    to have so many of there own here that it`s going to change the very makeup of our society.Yes there are to many Mexicans to suite my taste
    and I think a lot of people will agree with me.This does not mean I hate Mexicans, because I don`t.Come legally and I welcome you.What you say about the Italians being deported you sound like an idiot
    Its not the Italians streaming across our borders, now is it? I
    wouldn`t care who it was, I wouldn`t be to happy about it.

  • Ellen

    The birthright citizenship is abused. There is not a single American who is helped by this. Instead, it costs us billions of $ yearly. Why would any politician try so hard to keep something that only hurts us?

  • http://com i41

    Any way ro handle the sows coming here to farrow out, after the birth sterilize thee mothewr on the the spot, any illegal male greating a welfare brat cut and brand the male. Catch a male involved in a crime or any illegal for that matter turn them in to a steer on the spot. Use a bradeezo , take two peices o paper with a peice of string, it will cut the string and never cut or break the paper. It is used on bulls and horses and works very great and never have had a animal die. Goes for all male illegals and jailed criminals in our prisons. It would defenitely stop the violence.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      I like the way you think.

  • http://runanddietired@sbcglobal.net Ron

    A green card holder would not change anything. The green card holder may be here legally but still owes allegiance to a foreign country. Hence, the green card holder`s offspring would still not be a U.S. citizen.

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    It all boils down to votes.The left has the votes and the right are hopping to get the votes. Also, the right dosen`t want people to think they are racial against the Mexian people.

  • John

    I agree, there should be no birth right provisions. If both parents were illigal, then send them back where thy came from. I’m tiered of hearing about how we as Americans owe so much to hispanic illigals and all of that crap that comes from collage and high school students in Los Angeles. The ones that fly our flag upside down and say we should make them U.S.Citizens while thy free load education at ower expence, while thy say how much thy hate us. I don’t believe Americans should have their taxes, Social Security or state welfair pay benifits to those that break the law. That I believe is a form of aiding in the perpitration of a crime. I’m hispanic American, please vote the law in. I have no problem with it , I can prove where I’m from!

  • John

    It seem our Government Reprisentatives have also been trying to divert our attention from the southern borders by putting out some crap about the posiblity of terorists come in through Canada. All this while real terorist(The Drug Cartels) are at war at our southern borders against U.S. Citizens and the local Law Enforcement. And to think, our Government librals will sacrifice an American life just to get that south of the border vote! If thats not treason against the American people, that what is?

  • Mike Austin

    Lead the way AZ.!!!! America supports you. The libs always bypass the statement regarding, under the jurisdiction of, in their 14th amendment argument. If they were under US jurisdiction, they would not be allowed access to the Mexican consule if arrested. (those from mex of course…)

  • http://charden@neo.rr.com Charles

    Right on John and Mike Austin

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