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Citizens Affected By Tucson Shooting Endorse Fix Gun Checks Act

March 31, 2011 by  

Citizens affected by Tucson shooting endorse Fix Gun Checks ActVictims and surviving family members of the Jan. 8 shooting in Tucson, Ariz., have endorsed legislation that would require instant background checks for all gun sales in the United States.

On March 28, a group of Arizonans affected by the tragedy pledged their support for the Fix Gun Checks Act during a press conference. The bill, which also calls for an expansion of the national do-not-sell database, was crafted following the shooting in Tucson. The perpetrator, Jared Loughner, was an admitted habitual drug user, a fact that led the U.S. Army to reject him.

However, his records were not sent to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) database. According to The Christian Science Monitor, Loughner passed a background check when purchasing a semiautomatic handgun on Nov. 30. It was the same weapon used in the Jan. 8 shooting that left six people dead and 13 wounded, including Representative Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.).

"I strongly support the 2nd Amendment but I also know that respecting the 2nd Amendment means stopping dangerous people from being able to purchase guns," said former Arizona Attorney general Terry Goddard. "I call on Congress to reform our background check system immediately so that we can prevent future tragedies like the one we faced here in Tucson."

The shooting in Tucson has prompted a national effort to tighten gun laws. However, some groups have set out to remind Americans that firearms have their place in society. On March 30, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) held an event in Washington, D.C., to address the benefits of gun ownership. 

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  • TIME

    Don’t they have this law in place already?

    • GaCop

      Exactly. a gun purchase requires an FBI background check on all purchases. If the buyer holds a current state gun license, the required a police criminal background check before approval and signature bya Probate judge. How in the world is Bin Bama going to make things any tighter. It’s a sad fact the shooter in Arizona fell through the cracks thanks to a liberal Psychologist that said “she didn’t feel he was a treat to society” when concerned school officials requested his evaluation. If the blame lies anywhere, it’s with the medical community, not gun owners or guns. Psichiatrists and Psychologist are more concerned with patient records confidentiality than protecting society.

      • GaCop

        Sorry, that should be Psychiatrist…my bad.

        • Eddie47d

          You seem to be saying patient confidentiality should not be respected…or should we have exceptions on everything.

          • http://AOL.COM FRENCHIE

            PATIENT CONFIDENTIALITY IS FINE FOR CANCER PATIENTS, AIDS PATIENTS, & PEOPLE WITH MEDICAL CONDITIONS WHERE THE PUBLIC IS NOT ENDANGERED. BUT WHEN YOU’VE GOT A CERTIFIABLE WACKA-JACK RUNNING LOOSE, I THINK THE PSYCHOLOGIST OR PSYCHIATRIST HAS A MORAL (IF NOT LEGAL) OBLIGATION TO REPORT HIS CONCERNS & FINDINGS TO RELAVENT LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITIES, DON’T YOU ? DON’T YOU THINK THAT MAY AID IN KEEPING DANGEROUS WEAPONS OUT OF THE HANDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE MENTALLY UNFIT TO OWN SUCH WEAPONS ? IT’S A GREY AREA FOR SURE, BUT THERE ARE INSTANCES (SUCH AS THIS ONE HERE) WHERE LEGITIMATE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER PATIENT CONFIDENTIALITY. ESPECIALLY WHERE MENTALLY UNSTABLE PERSONS ARE CONCERNED. I KNOW I DON’T WANT MENTAL PATIENTS OWNING HANDGUNS OR RIFLES FOR THAT MATTER. IT ONLY GIVES THE LIBERALS MORE FUEL FOR THEIR ANTI-GUN FIRE & LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS PAY THE PRICE FOR THE SYSTEM’S SHORTCOMINGS.

    • Carol

      They sure do. I found out about it when I went to purchase a shotgun 2 days after the law went into effect. I had to fill out a form, and then had to wait 5 days before I could get it. The problem lies with the people who get guns from people who sell them illegally.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Carol… You are right! Buying guns illegally won’t require a background check, now will it? The only people this hurts are the law-adiding citizens.

    • JeffH

      TIME, you are correct. It is called the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The NICS is a computerized background check system designed to respond within 30 seconds on most background check inquiries so the FFLs receive an almost immediate response. Depending on the willingness of state governments to act as a liaison for the NICS, the FFLs contact either the FBI or a designated state Point of Contact (POC) to initiate background checks on individuals purchasing or redeeming firearms.

      When a transaction is DELAYED, the NICS Examiner begins extensive research on the potential prohibitor. When the research is complete, the NICS Examiner calls the FFL and gives a PROCEED or DENY decision on the firearm transaction.
      http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/fact-sheet

  • Robert

    So I take it from the article that he would have passed this new background check. We don’t need any new laws concerning gun control.

  • http://www.piedmontwebmasterservices.com Dan

    We need a law to remove any weapons from politicians since they are the most dangerous entity to our freedoms and American Heritage.

    • skippy

      how about a law to just remove politicians?….and get REAL people in those jobs?? Hell, even I know you cannot spend your way out of debt.

      • http://www.piedmontwebmasterservices.com Dan

        If we state in the law that they do not collection lifetime benefits after serving two terms and they do not qualify for unemployment benefits and they can never serve as lobbyists or political consulting.

        In fact a majority of them should be in prison as traitors.

        • shesafari

          I support the two term limit: one in Congress, and one in prison.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            shesafari,
            Better yet, one term in office then THREE in jail!!

    • GaCop

      The liberal politician is the weapon that needs to be controlled and banned.

      • Eddie47d

        So Conservatives do want to control and ban!It’s only a matter of time before the truth comes out.

        • JC

          Hmm, perhaps I can rephrase that a little for GaCop.

          The anti-American socialist politician is the one that needs to be eradicated…not controlled.

          Better eddie?

          • Eddie47d

            Is that like talking out of both ends or which one is the puppet and which one is the Dummy?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Oh, we KNOW who the dummy here is and it ain’t JC, GaCop, or me!!!!

          • JC

            Eddie47d says:
            March 31, 2011 at 7:30 pm
            Is that like talking out of both ends or which one is the puppet and which one is the Dummy?
            ———————————————————–

            Is that supposed to be some sort of an intelligent question?
            It is not “like” anything. It is a straight up statement written in English and yet somehow you couldn’t understand it.
            I guess that’s what a lifetime of twisted thinking will get you…

          • Eddie47d

            I thought you didn’t like Stalin but you think like him?

          • JC

            Go see the Dr. eddie, your meds have you delerious again…

          • Robert Smith

            Awww JC, are you getting the same pass around here because you are on the extreme right? How do you get around things like samurai does? Remember “Please don’t stoop to name calling.”

            Seems to me like there are a lot of “special” people around here.

            BTW, what did your gratuitous crack contribute to any debate except to show just how bankrupt the extreme right is?

            Rob

          • JeffH

            Robert Smith critisizes JC yet in doing so contributes nothing to the discussion either! A bit hypocritical I’d say!

      • s c

        GaCop, change that to read ‘the liberal politician and the fence-sitting “moderate” who’s hiding in a closet, waiting for a chance to vote for that liberal politician,’ and you’ve just about nailed it.
        As for the rest of the story, what we need is a government that has the guts and the character to enforce the many laws we ALREADY HAVE. Screw new laws and those who want them! We have a country full of wimpoids who think Uncle Scam will save us from “everything.” Truth be known (and admitted), the old fart couldn’t pour @^&* out of a boot if he had a tech manual and 250 years of hands-on experience.

        • JimH

          sc, I always heard it couldn’t poor wizz out of a boot, even if the instructions were written on the heel.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            With this idiot, he’d just empty it into the other boot!! back n forth, back n forth!!1

        • Tom S

          Thanks for clarifying my statement “SC” so even a liberal could understand it..

  • http://Persoanllibertydigest Jim

    We already have too many laws the Government selectivity enforces — We need no more laws to control what can’t be controlled — Guns made America free!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and will keep it so from enemies foreign and domestic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!God Bless America

  • Ralph Roshto

    There is NO SUCH THING as GUN control…there is ONLY PEOPLE CONTROL!

    • independant thinker

      I fully support gun control……………………………….firm grip, careful aim, blam, hit, ccenter of target. That is gun control.

      • pk

        Amen

      • http://?? Joe H.

        I decide who touches my gun, I decide where it goes, I keep it out of little kids hands when they aren’t being taught, still another type of gun control I like!! I forgot one part of it! I decide if I keep it or not!!!

      • Tom S

        You pretty much sum up how I train our officers.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Ralph… You are so right!

  • Anthony

    I wonder how many people know that the guy that took down the shooter was also carrying a gun.

    • http://www.youtube.com/dallasgoldbug DallasGoldBug
    • Eddie47d

      Anthony; His weapon didn’t help one way or the other.

      • Roger

        The other person that was armed chose not to fire his weapon because other people might have been hit by a bullet. You have to be aware of what’s around you before you play “Rambo.”

        • JeffH

          Roger, OMG! You mean the guy that had the Concealed Carry license and a gun used “good judgement”, didn’t pull his gun and possibly shoot into a crowd of people while helping to take Loughner down? Anti gunners take note!

          • Eddie47d

            Didn’t do him a bit of good to have that weapon now did it? Those on the “other side” have been saying that for years. No one in their right mind is going to shoot into a crowd even if a shooter is shooting into that crowd. If the shooter isn’t isolated and an easy target then the situation will more than likely play out. Even a trained police officer won’t shoot and hurt innocents in a crowd.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            Wrong. If the cop has a can’t miss shot and there is a an almost guarantee that more people are gonna get hurt or killed, he WILL take the shot in the interest of preserving life! I saw it done in Columbus Ga about 1972!!

          • JC

            Another month goes by and eddie is still a twisted idiot control freak. A Disgusting Statist.

          • Eddie47d

            Yes Joe, If If If!

          • JeffH

            JC, you are right! The key to my post was “Anti gunners take note!” and 47D, as usual, missed again. What else can one say?

          • JC

            Exactly right Jeff, The guy is as messed up as they get. I’d be surprised if he can get out of the house wearing matching socks.

        • Tom S

          Very well said.

        • Tom S

          To “Joe H”. Your wrong, law enforcement today is worlds apart from what it was in 1972. Officers today are accountable for far more now than they were then.

  • http://spare@bresnan.net dave

    If the sheriff hand local police had done there job in turning the data over to NCIC he wouldn’t have been approved for the sale. Even people with DUI’s are more closely inspected to make sure that drugs were not the reason for the arrest. We have plenty of laws on the books now, if they would enforce them. The Sheriff in Pima county already says he won’t enforce other laws on the books just like our federal justice system. It’s no wonder that we have the problems we do.

    • Dale on the left coast

      Wasn’t the sheriff an old lefty-loon that should have retired years ago? Saw the guy on TV . . . he’s an embarassment . . . maybe the folks in Pima County will smell the coffee and send him packing next election . . .

    • JC

      True, and then he would have bought one illegally…maybe even from the ATF.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JC,
        No, ATF would have GIVEN him one!!

        • JC

          Well the Kenyan’s “open administration” is certainly stonewalling any attempt to investigate “Operation Gunrunner”. Just goes to show he should be impeached…he has actually participated in an illegal conspiracy that saw two Americans murdered. Basterd!

  • http://nosite Tom Carter

    NO more phony restrictive gun laws. Enforce the criminal laws we already have. As far as I know, Sirhan Sirhan, Robert Kennedy’s killer, and John Hinckly who shot and tried to kill President Reagan are still out there breathing MY air. Phony papers don’t solve crime. Just look at the disfunctional “justice” system we have today.

    • Jeep

      Hinckley, after being found not guilty by reason of insanity is currently being held at St. Elizabeths Hospital in D.C. and is currently allowed to have unsupervised visits with his parents.

      • independant thinker

        Just saw a news brief saying he was asking for more unsupervised time.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          So give it to him!!! SIX FEET UNDER!!! QUIT SLAPPING HANDS FOR ATTEMPTED MURDER OR MURDER!!!

  • newspooner

    Don’t trust the government.

  • Jeep

    I am a bit confused…so, some agency or entity failed to forward what? Criminal or civil information concerning “an admitted habitual drug user”? I would be interested to know if Loughner was convicted of anything, or had court ordered treatment. This story has many unanswered questions.

    But, in typical knee-jerk style, the left is calling for “something” to be done instead of asking the hard questions. Questions such as, “Was there REASONABLE expectation that Loughner’s history should be reported to NCIS?”

    Any self-admission is supposed to be “protected”…right? So, where does personal information end and govt reporting begin? Perhaps this is where Personal Liberty articles should be going.

  • momplayer

    If guns kill people do pencils misspell words? The killing in Az was very tragic,but what makes them think that he wouldn’t have found another way to come up with a gun.The slimey little gang bangers have a full assortment of weapons,the drug cartels have a full assortment and I’m sure NONE of them are concerned with being able to pass a tighter back ground check.

    • 45caliber

      But they aren’t personally worried about drug gangs, etc. What they are worried about are honest citizens that might get a little annoyed if they passed a law giving themselves permanent control of the U.S.

      • independant thinker

        45, did you see the MC-42 on Sons of Guns last night? Wish I could have been there to watch them shoot it in person.

        • independant thinker

          That should be MG-42

        • 45caliber

          No, I didn’t. My antenna has been broken for about four years no and so far I’ve been refusing to fix it. I enjoy no TV programs. I have a DVD machine hooked to it so we watch movies. What was the program about?

          • independant thinker

            Sons of Guns is on discovery channel and is about a custom gun shop in Baton Rouge LA. In last nights episode a guy brought in a MG-42 parts kit he had purchased for them to repair/assemble for him. They have made a combination door buster m-16 gun for a law enforcement swat entry team and other interesting guns. You can find infor on line but don’t know if they have old episodes available. As for watching TV, I have a satalite dish and watch History channel, discovery channel, and RFD-TV almost exclusively about the only thing I watch on network TV is local news and some sports. I also sometimes watch (when they are a preview channel) military chanel and DIY (do it yourself) channel.

          • independant thinker

            There is another gun/shooting show on History channel called Top Shot. They bring in 16 shooters mostly military, law enforcement, and competition shooters and have them compete with everything from throwing axes to machine guns to see who can adapt to all kinds of weapons best. It is a semi-reality show in that one team person is eliminated each week until they get down to 4-6 that those compete head to head to see who will be the “top shot”.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Independant
            did you see the episode of sons of guns where they modified the 30 caliber MG to be a shoulder fire weapon??? Man, that was something!! then the one where they made a supressor for an AK47? Definately a good watch!!

          • independant thinker

            Yep Joe, I haven’t missed a one so far and have watched all the Top Shop shows as well.

        • JeffH

          independant thinker, that is such a cool show. Never miss it!

  • Dad

    Based on Maobama’s reason to be in Libya, he should soon be bombing Mexico back into the stone age. This administration is selling guns to “LaRaza.” I guess AlQueda sales are next.

    Enforce the immigration laws we have, then think about making new ones.

  • http://yahoo jowolo

    The one hidden agenda behind the increased background checks is to prevent citizens from handing down firearms, such as from a grandpa to a grandson,or from father to son,or daughter. The laws that are already on the books need to be enforced. All new legislation has hidden agendas.

    • GaCop

      As I stated below, Bin Bama’s hidden agenda is to use the UN to disarm America.

      • 45caliber

        You are correct. They have given up on Congress doing their dirty work. And the biggest proponents of this law in the UN are dictators. Wonder why …

    • Eddie47d

      If grandpa wants to hand down his useful weapon to someone else then the recipient of that weapon needs to do a background check. That could be a simple and easy act if the system is set up right.Could be easier than buying a used car. The least we can do is have instant checks and no it won’t solve all gun crimes.Just like buying car insurance doesn’t guarantee that you won’t have an accident. No one wants their car insurance to go up so they become more aware of driving habits.

      • 45caliber

        If that is the way you look at this, it’s no wonder that we have these problems.

        • Eddie47d

          Not everyone is as responsible or informed as you are Caliber.Not all gun buyers know about gun safety,cleaning and care of the weapon they buy. These checks inform them of the awesome tool they have in their hand and to use that responsibility wisely.

          • Dale on the left coast

            In “Normal” Families . . . Grandfathers/Fathers teach their children, take them hunting or shooting targets . . . . its only the Lefties that want the Govt to teach their children . . . is that why half of America doesn’t know down from up?

          • 45caliber

            Dale:

            I agree. I learned – or at least started to learn – when I was six. My children started at age 5, which is common where I grew up. Many children by age 10 owns their own .22, a shotgun, and many times a rifle as well. All are taught to be careful and to use it correctly. It’s the city people who hand their kids a gun and expect them to know how to use it from watching too much TV. Or some city boy buys himself one, knowing how to use it.

            Here in Texas it is a requirement to go through a training course before getting a hunting permit. I sat through one since my kids had to do it. There was nothing in it that they didn’t already know and follow.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            45caliber,
            My dad taught me at about 6. I still have the 22 rifle he taught me on!! Still hits what I aim it at, too!!!

      • independant thinker

        “That could be a simple and easy act if the system is set up right.”

        Now Eddie you know that will never happen.

        • JC

          Not if it’s run by government.

      • JC

        NEW YORK GUN BANK A BIG FAIL: This month marks the 10th anniversary of New York’s Combined Ballistic Identification System (CoBIS) program. Under this program, all new handguns sold in the state must be test fired and the shell casing imaged and entered into an electronic databank for possible crime scene identification. Since its inception in March 2001, a total 311,859 shell casings have been catalogued. At an estimated cost of $4 million dollars per year, $40 million dollars has been spent on CoBIS over the past decade. What have taxpayers received for this? Absolutely nothing. Not a single crime has been solved because of it. By any measure, CoBIS has been a total failure and a public policy disaster. (New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc. — March 28, 2011)

        More expensive, useless “Gun Control” measures that have done nothing but cost money.

    • Xin-Loi

      jowolo has it exactly right, the only thing this would do is give the Govt. a record of all lawful gun owners. They can’t confiscate them down the road if they don’t have a list of every owner. It won’t do a thing to stop criminals from buying firearms, but the Govt. always has “Project Gunrunner” to fall back on, and we saw how great that worked out.
      The media should stop giving these killers free air-time, stop showing their faces and names, maybe the copy-cats would lose interest if they didn’t get their fifteen minutes of fame.
      Eddie47d be mindful of the old saying “Better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”

  • Raggs

    Everyone needs to get a Conceal carry license thats the easiest way to get around a back ground check every time you wish to purchase a firearm…

    • GaCop

      Your so right. Even before I retired as a police officer I had my state license.

      • Eddie47d

        A concealed carry doesn’t guarantee a lawful person or even a level headed person. Yesterday such a person(51) drove into a King Soopers grocery parking lot and someone else pulled into a parking space he was eying. This lady was first yet he wanted that spot so he whipped out his pistol and demanded she move. The police were called and he was arrested.What a waste of everybody’s time with those involved.

        • independant thinker

          Provide some proof Eddie. What paper was it reported in?

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          eddie… Out of how many conceal carry permits has anything like this happened in the past 5 years or whatever? And are you sure he had a carry permit? Most who have a carry permit take it very seriously and would never do anything stupid to lose it.

        • Raggs

          Ed.. that guy could not of had a CCL.. But if the old lady had one she would have been able to defend herself.

        • 45caliber

          You are right, it doesn’t. But it does insure that the person was responsible enough to take the course which means he is responsible enough to trust with owning a gun. And it is generally more accurate than the call to the FBI database – which also does not guarantee that the person is responsible without problems.

        • JeffH

          47D, you never said whether the guy was a legal gun owner or whether he possessd a CC permit. Thw whole story, state, city and where can someone read the story to verify?

        • Eddie47d

          Jeff; That’s why laws have to be equal for all gun owners.It really doesn’t matter where it took place. King Soopers is mostly out west and the parent company is Krogers.Besides Jeff the truth matters little to you but I will guarantee you it is the truth. Now if you will promise to write the guy a letter and tell him how bad he is making people look then his name might be important.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH is right 24 carat BS!!!

          • independant thinker

            and still nothing to let us verify his tall tale.

          • Eddie47d

            Go back to your fairy tails Joe

  • GaCop

    Bin Bama is currently working to back door gun bans and confiscation through the UN and it will managed by the State Department (Clinton)! He’s doing this to circumvent Congress and US laws. It amazes me the media is silent about this except for a second page report by Reuters. Bin Bama made the first move yesterday going before the UN. This madman need to be stopped now or ALL our freedoms will be a thing of the past even before 2012.

    • Raggs

      Yeah I have been hearing and reading many articles on that…
      The small arms treaty signed by obama and clinton…

      • JC

        Not to mention supplying Mexican Drug Gangs with guns to kill Americans with so they can continue the lie of illegal guns coming from the states. This operation saw two Americans murdered and the Kenyan should be arrested and tried as a conspirator along with whatever ATF personnel were involved.

  • pete0097

    What we need is a law requiring any governmental agency that has a doubt as to the mental stability to report that to the gun buyers database. If someone wants a gun and challenges it, the psychologist can make that clinical determination. That would cut out pissed off ex’es, etc. They need to have a standard question that the interviewer must follow: Would you want this guy/girl to date your daughter/son?

    • 45caliber

      Now why would you want that? The government automatically assumes that if you aren’t a liberal you aren’t to be trusted now. Take a look at the list the Homeland Security sent to police departments as people to watch. Every one of us would be on the watch list then – and couldn’t buy a gun. That’s why we insist they should be more careful than they are and shouldn’t have all that power.

  • Jason

    Most buy their guns on the street. This will not stop criminals. You already have to get a background check done to get a permit to acquire weapons. This doesn’t change anything.

    I would spend my time tracking illegal (stolen) weapons instead of wasting my time and money on this.

    • Tom S

      Tracking stolen weapons isn’t very successful, very few people record their serial numbers, if the number is not in an incident report, the stolen weapon never get entered into National Crime Information Center-NCIC and Georgia Crime Information Center-GCIC.

  • 45caliber

    The laws already exist. Why pass them a second time?

  • Duke

    Aren’t there already laws against assault and murder? They didn’t seem to have much effect, and they’ve been in place for a while. It’s long past time to stop blaming a mechanical device for the shortcomings of law enforcement – especially at the judicial level – and focus on prosecuting and punishing criminals, and holding the authorities who fail to act on credible reports of ‘irrational behavior’ for purely political reasons responsible for their inaction.

  • http://AOL.COM FRENCHIE

    ANY MORE GUN CONTROL LAWS ARE ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY REDUNDANT. THEY ONLY AFFECT LEGAL & LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNERS. IF CRIMINALS WANT GUNS, REST ASSURED, THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO GET THEM REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE LAW SAYS. TO ME ANYWAY, GUN CONTROL IS DEFINED AS- ONE SHOT, ONE KILL ON THE CRACKHEAD TRYING TO BREAK INTO YOUR HOUSE OR STEAL YOUR CAR OR TRYING TO HURT YOUR FAMILY. YOU SIMPLY CAN’T LEGISLATE MORALS, IT CAN’T BE DONE. IF I HAD MY WAY, THERE WOULD BE MANDATORY GUN SAFETY CLASSES TAUGHT IN OUR SCHOOLS. IF YOU TEACH CHILDREN AT A YOUNG AGE ABOUT RESPONSIBLE HANDLING & OWNERSHIP OF FIREARMS, WE MAY NOT HAVE THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH IDIOTS HAVING GUNS NOW. GOD, GUTS, & GUNS MADE AMERICA FREE. I’M SURE WE’VE ALL HEARD THAT BEFORE & IT’S JUST AS TRUE TODAY AS IT WAS WHEN IT WAS FIRST SAID. THESE LIBERAL IDIOTS SEEM TO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT. OR, THEY UNDERSTAND ANOTHER FAMOUS QUOTE ABOUT GUNS THAT FITS THEIR IDEOLOGY- UNARMED CITIZENS ARE SUBJECTS. KNOCK IT OFF ALREADY WITH THE MISGUIDED GUN CONTROL B.S., IT ONLY AFFECTS (READ THAT, RESTRICTS) PEOPLE WHO OBEY THE LAWS.

  • http://com i41

    What a massive load of b–l s–t, are the smuck feds goingto check all the muslims and mexicans for leagal gun ownership. What was the story of Holder and Onumnutts plan to sell guns to the drug cartel more free samples of all the illegal imports! Must be the new plan to cut spending on vacations,these 2 phony anti Americans can fly pretty long distances with out leaving the WH and Onumnutts can cut several lines with his muslim elevated rump rug polishers, just to show the quality S American has compared to the muslim products. Or was it an new plan to facialate a new trade plan. If the new bill is put in place better include all minorities getting checked for guns, drugs and anything deemed illegal by mother government, including what they are injesting. By stats these minorities have the most gun violence and preputate the most gun violence on their race.

  • Gary

    Interesting. The liberals want instant gun checks but don’t think that instant citizenship checks are possible. I would love to have to prove I was a citizen of this great country to enjoy all the rights of being a citizen . . . including the right to keep and bear arms.

    • Raggs

      Funny you should point that out… obaba never had to prove he was a citizen.

    • http://AOL.COM FRENCHIE

      WE HAD A SAYING IN THE ARMY-”IF IT’S EASIER, MAKES SENSE, SAVES TIME, CUTS DOWN ON PAPERWORK, OR ELIMINATES B.S., IT’S PROBABLY AGAINST REGULATIONS”. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS KIND OF THINKING INFECTS THE WHOLE GOVERNMENT FROM TOP TO BOTTOM, NOT JUST THE ARMY. THIS IS WHY WE’LL NEVER SEE COMMON SENSE MEASURES LIKE THAT TAKEN AGAINST ILLEGALS.

      • 45caliber

        One thing I’ve always wondered about is the people who instantly call for more laws whenever something bad happens – as if there are no laws already which the criminal is breaking. Why do they believe more laws will solve a problem when the existing laws don’t? Further, why pass more laws that duplicate what already exists?

        Basically what they want to do with this “change” is to get more people denied the right of ownership of a gun. To them, why he can’t own one doesn’t matter. They know it won’t solve such problems as Lounghner. They don’t care. They just want more people on the list.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          45caliber,
          you know, your right!!! Why there ought to be a law ….. HeHeHe!!

          • Tom S

            Amen Joe!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy 131

    To bad they are not as insistant that their Sheriff do his job the next time, to prevent a horrible situation that was peventable if the Sheriff had done his job properly in the first place. Then they couldn’t use the excuse that our rights are what caused this horrible deed and need to be curtailed, so we might not have the ability to protect ourselves from another similar situation that the Sheriff fails to do his job again.

    • 45caliber

      Exactly.

  • http://www.facebook.com The Dude

    Why does ed leave comments on things he knows nothing about? More laws haven’t stopped the ones that are unencumbered by them. I can go to a few “bad” parts of my home town and get a firearm with relative ease and speed with no paper trail and not to mention there is no real bullet identification database. That “technology only exists on TV and the science behind it is very flawed. Guns don’t kill people people kill each other and as the old adage says two wrongs don’t make a wright. I blame the stupid sheriff of Gifford’s home town for negligence for not taking the required steps to legally stop Jared from killing those people and he should be brought up on charges as well as loose his job. As the grand old Second says, Shall not be infringed” meaning you can’t touch it. There are no common sense gun laws on the books. The NFA was a joke and well as the BATF and the very existence of the 2 is a direct violation of our constitution. For all of you gun lovers please do your part and join the NRA and they have been the best organization for defending our fundamental right to defend ourselves.

  • momplayer

    You have to take a gun saftey course to get a ccw in nevada,but you do not have to take any saftey course to buy a gun here. Alot of people carry here because nevada is an open carry state.I think they need to make it a requirement to take a saftey course before you buy a gun especially if they have never handled a gun before. My daughter never shot a gun before,yet she bought a 9mm no questions ask other than her background check.She then went and took 2 or 3 different courses to make sure she was hitting what she aimed at,knew how to clean it and to understand when and when not to pull her gun.It doesn’t make you feel real comfortable knowing someone behind you is carrying a loaded weapon and they don’t know if it’s loaded or where the trigger is.

  • http://KABA Ivan Pisstov

    Did you guys hear yesterday that one of the actors on the “Ugly Betty” TV show killed his mother, in Brooklyn NY, WITH A SAMURAI SWORD? Maybe Bloomburg has overlooked ILLEGAL SWORDS. Where did he get the sword? A straw purchase? was it smuggled into NY? Did he go thru a NICS check? Wanta bet how much we will hear about this case?
    Will he get the death penalty? Will he get life in prison? Will he claim self defense? Will he get a public defender? Did he have an abusive mother??? All these questions need to be answered.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    What they (ATF) needs to do is let some guns go to the cartels with weakened recievers. Also on the ammo they buy salt the lot with some rounds where the gun powder has been removed and replaced with C-4.
    They’ll think twice before they pull the trigger.

    • JC

      Interesting thought…but Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a police agency. Disband the ATF and let the Border Patrol do their damned job.

    • Tom S

      That workd very well in Vietnam under Project Phoenix. When NVA/VC ammunition caches were found along the Ho Chi Min trail, it was “seeded” with rounds that would explode. Made them leery of using ammuniton they received from Russia and China thinking it was inferior.

      • Tom S

        This was in reply to “gunrunner689″.

        • Tom S

          That’s “gunner689″….sorry!

  • James

    The Second Amendment’s “shall not be infringed” applies to Congress. By asking Congress to act, they are inviting federal regulation of firearms. In McDonald v. Chicago, the Supreme Court held that the right to bear arms (as to possessing handguns) is now part of the “liberty” of the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process clause. But that did not change the Second Amendment’s purpose against federal infringement.

  • http://charter howe

    It should be obvious there is no iron clad solution to stop a situation like the mentaly deranged person who got off shooting innocent people in Arizona. I’m not sure if there was a sufficient safety net that could have deterred this heinous crime, but it takes lots more responsibility on the part of the parents and professionnal people who should have seen this potential problem developing. No amount of legislation which only law abiding citizens will follow still would not stop a bonifide nutjob or a criminal from getting a gun. If you have the money, a firearm is easier to obtain than drugs or other illegal materials which are subjected to a rediculous myriad of laws that you would think is adequate to stop any kind of violence. Gun incidents are only a very small percentage of drug related killings and with all the laws on the books, our drug problems have increased tremendously. Guess what, the death penalty would not even stop most of these people because a person with a very sick ideology or a mental impairment, maybe even an evil greed for money will not slow down for the law of the land. Money that is being wasted pushing gun laws on law abiding citizens could be better used for Funding mental health care programs in all states, since almost every case of mass gun slaughter comes back to a mentally deranged person who needed medical treatment, counseling or incarceration, but was waivered or not available. Mental health programs are being reduced by federal and state governments because the money isn’t there thanks to the huge deficit from the mass spending in Congress. Even Obamacare doesn’t adequately cover this kind of treatment and the cost of this democratic healthcare legislation will finish off good healthcare as we know it, but that’s another story. The problem is not the guns, or the many gun laws on the books or the law abiding citizens it’s the people with anti-social behavior or mental health problems that perpetrate these crimes. The socialist democrats refuse to face the fact that they are applying the wrong method of correction to an age old problem. I spent 29 years in the military and got well adjusted to being around weapons of every kind and description with the blessing of these same lawyers who want to strip me of my 2nd amendment rights, because they don’t have an answer for the mentally challenged who create disasters. Draconian laws should be imposed upon the law abiding American people to correct gun crimes because the real solution comes from individual acceptance of responsibilty to make society safer. A legitimate gun salesman is no more culpable to a gun crime than a car saleman is to a DWI driver who kills people with a car. I find it ironic that Obama wanted to arm the Libyan rebels to the teeth with weapons, but wants to strip U.S. citizens of their gun rights (shotguns this time). Isn’t it amazing that the Libyan rebels include Hezbollah radicals and Al Qeada operatives who will get firepower at the expense of U.S. taxpayers and most likely will be used in the future to kill U.S. soldiers and at the same time I have to tolerate a govt who wants to confiscate my guns so that I can’t protect myself or my home. Sometimes as cold as it may seem, a society has to risk the evil elements that drive these horrific killings rather than legislate laws that would harm innocent law abiding citizens and still do not curtail such terrible killings. I live in TX which is a border state and these elected fools are arguing over whether the drug cartels are terrorists or just plain criminals. I’m a few hundred miles from the cartel members who have killed over 30,000 Mexicans in the past year and while they argue over semantics and using more gun control tactics to screw the law abiding citizens, I’m sitting here knowing that I will not give up my 2nd amendment right and it is a crime against the Constitution and WE THE PEOPLE. I served my country with honor and integrity and it is depressing and disheartening to see the massive corruption and violations of the Constitution and the law of the land by Congress and the Whitehouse. My only expectation in life is to see my fellow countrymen go to the polls in Nov 2012 with me and vote against Obama, Reid and the progressive liberal socialist democrats who are dismantling our freedoms and stealing our lives.

  • JC

    I believe this to be a proven hoax, but it demostrates very nicely the difference between Liberal thinking and…real world sanity.
    ———————————————————————

    For those that don’t know him, Major General Peter Cosgrove is an “Australian treasure!”

    General Cosgrove was interviewed on the radio recently. You’ll love his reply to the lady who interviewed him concerning guns and children. Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you gotta love this! This is one of the best comeback lines of all time. It is a portion of an ABC interview between a female broadcaster and General Cosgrove who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military headquarters.

    FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
    So, General Cosgrove, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?

    GENERAL COSGROVE:
    We’re going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting.

    FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
    Shooting! That’s a bit irresponsible, isn’t it?

    GENERAL COSGROVE:
    I don’t see why, they’ll be properly supervised on the rifle range.

    FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
    Don’t you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?

    GENERAL COSGROVE:
    I don’t see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.

    FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
    But you’re equipping them to become violent killers.

    GENERAL COSGROVE:
    Well, Ma’am, you’re equipped to be a prostitute, but you’re not one, are you?

    The radio went silent and the interview ended.

    • James

      JC, That’s a Beaut!

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