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Christians Will Empower A Romney Landslide

November 1, 2012 by  


Hello, I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. This is my last commentary before Election Day, perhaps the most important day in modern American political history — the day we stop Barack Obama and defend capitalism. My prediction is a Mitt Romney landslide. I’m calling this “The Chick-fil-A Election” because Christian and faith-based voters will lead this Romney tidal wave that will shock the biased, liberal mainstream media that never saw it coming.

But first, I want to offer my prayers and best wishes to everyone suffering from the aftereffects of Hurricane Sandy. The Northeast is in crisis. My prayers are with you as you deal with the most destructive and powerful hurricane ever seen in the Northeast United States. This tragedy deserves sympathy, support and prayer. Every American stands by your side and stands ready to help.

I’ve been predicting a Romney landslide since May 30 in media across the country. I doubled down in early October with my opinion pieces here at Personal Liberty. I tripled down with my appearance on “The O’Reilly Factor” about 10 days ago. On “O’Reilly,” I coined the phrase “The Chick-fil-A Election” to describe the tidal wave of Christians and faith-based American voters that will rush to the polls on Nov. 6 with intensity and enthusiasm levels never seen in modern U.S. political history.

People hearing my predictions must have thought I was stark raving mad — perhaps like some of you do now. After all, most Americans have been bombarded with flawed national polls that based their election models on the once-in-a-lifetime 2008 Democrat turnout.

That is not the turnout of 2012.

My commentaries were not based on polls. I’m not a pollster. I’m a Vegas-oddsmaker-turned-Vice-Presidential-nominee (in 2008 for the Libertarian Presidential ticket) and now political analyst. My polls are my gut instincts. My subjects aren’t 500 random strangers on the phone afraid to tell the truth to pollsters. My subjects are my diverse group of middle-class American friends — the kind who determine the winner of virtually every election. I’ve seen this political earthquake coming for months.

While the media and pollsters talked about “Romney’s single female gap,” I talked to married women and found them angry, offended, motivated and mobilized to defeat Obama.

While the media talked about “Romney’s black voter gap,” I talked to white voters and found them angry, offended, motivated and mobilized to defeat Obama — and not because he’s black. Many of them voted for him in 2008 because he’s black, out of guilt. Four years later, they are motivated to throw him out because he’s either a socialist or completely incompetent.

While the media talked about “Romney’s Latino gap,” I talked to small-business owners who understand up close and personal how terrible the economy really is, and who see it getting worse. While about 30 percent of my small-business owner friends gave Obama a chance four years ago, today I can’t find one who supports Obama. Not one. And they are also motivated and mobilized to defeat Obama.

And then there’s the group that liberals in the media don’t know, don’t care about and don’t understand. This group is mad as hell and won’t take it anymore. I talked to Catholics and evangelical Christians and found them the angriest, the most offended, the most motivated and the most mobilized of all.

From the seething anger I witnessed, I predicted a turnout of Christians and people of faith in numbers never seen before. Remember the long lines in front of Chick-fil-A restaurants a few months ago? I predicted you’d see those same long lines in front of polling places on Election Day (or sooner). Christians are sick of turning the other cheek while their values are denigrated and their country is destroyed. Christians will lead the conservative tidal wave on Election Day. They can’t wait to take their country back from a man (President Obama) that seems to despise capitalism, disrespects faith and religion, never misses an opportunity to offend or damage our relationship with Israel, and fails to recognize the massive threat we face from radical Islam.

Chick-fil-A was the subtle hint of what’s coming on Nov. 6. I guess New York Times pollster Nate Silver didn’t notice. I suppose none of the New York Times-reading, latte-drinking, hypocritical limousine liberals noticed the other big development of the past few days: the Rev. Billy Graham endorsing Romney and supporting him with full-page ads in newspapers across America. Just another monumental development ignored by the mainstream media.

Then came the shocking polls that confirmed my gut instincts. First, Gallop released its extensive poll regarding the makeup of the 2012 electorate. For the first time in history, Republican voters outnumber Democrats. And independents, who form an enormous chunk of the electorate, also vote overwhelmingly Republican. All the polls based on the 2008 Democrat turnout were based on the wrong model — just as I predicted.

Then Gallop released its findings of the early Presidential voting. Shocking. Romney leads by 7 points, despite Obama’s vaunted get-out-the-vote machine – 7 points. That’s a 22-point turnaround from 2008 when Obama led John McCain by 15 points in early voting – 22 points.

Then Battleground Polling released its bipartisan prediction of the final outcome of the election: Romney by 5 points. Keep in mind this is a bipartisan polling organization headed by one Republican and one Democrat.

Finally, Rasmussen released its poll showing Romney leading for the first time in Ohio. The Obama firewall is disintegrating.

I went out on a limb three weeks ago at Personal Liberty to predict a 5 point to 7 point Romney popular vote victory and an electoral landslide of 100 to 120 votes.

I’m going out on a limb again. My prediction will be right on the money; or if it’s off, it was perhaps just a tad on the low side. Romney has already salted away 2008 Obama States like Florida, Virginia, Colorado, North Carolina and Indiana. States such as Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin and New Hampshire are all trending toward Romney.

Romney has now extended the battlefield to States no one ever imagined. He is adding last-second media buys (TV ads) to deep-blue Democrat States like Pennsylvania, Michigan and Minnesota. Obama’s firewall has been breached. The rout is on.

Just as I predicted, just like Ronald Reagan/Jimmy Carter, it took voters a while to make their decision — to make the connection between a horrible economy, the collapse of small business, the loss of jobs and the man in the White House who is either incompetent or a Marxist. Same economy, same circumstances, same clueless fool in the White House, same decision. If we are ever to see economic growth and jobs again, it’s Obama that needs to join the unemployment line.

By Election Day, with the momentum all in favor of Romney, I believe deep-blue Pennsylvania will go red for Romney. Michigan and Minnesota are also within reach.

A Reagan-like landslide is now a very real possibility. And liberals should give delusional and clueless pollster Silver of The New York Times a gold watch and a retirement dinner.

I’m Wayne Root for Personal Liberty. See you next week with a post-election celebration.

Wayne Allyn Root

Wayne Allyn Root is one of America's leading Libertarian-conservative authors. Wayne's new book is The Murder of the Middle Class Wayne is a Capitalist Evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and Fox News regular. Follow Wayne on Twitter and visit Wayne's web site:

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  • JON

    Good luck with that one!

    • Gordon

      Mr. Root, you state about Obama: “and fails to recognize the massive threat we face from radical Islam.”

      I respectfully disagree Sir.

      Mr. Obama knows exactly what he is doing to promote islam and jihad on USA soil.

      • walter agard

        Why are you so hatefuf.Try speaking the truth about Romney,also speak the truth about Obama.Is that something hard to do or are you a one sided person .Every thing has a negative, and a positive ,one cannot work without the other if one of them it too much than the other,it will explode. if you have only-either negative/positive,then ti wont work.For humans they will be brain dead.Think about.

      • Tony Newbill

        Gordon I think we are about to find out the extent of what the Jidhadist Movement and Migration from an Open Boarders Policy and even a Financing of their Proliferation into the USA with Billions of taxpayer dollars to these areas to help with their movement to the USA is in the USA regardless of who gets elected , very soon

      • Kate8

        Has anyone else seen this?

        If anyone had any doubts that the elections are rigged, this should resolve that.

        This clip is only a few seconds long. Never mind the program content. Watch the election results box at the bottom. This is huge, and proves that it’s all been scripted ahead of time, just as many of us suspected.

        Our elections are no more than a meaningless exercise.

        Are we really going to stand for this? I mean, we all know that democrats cheat, but this is an outrage.

      • Kate8

        BTW, there is a more complete video on the menu that follows this one.

        Thank God someone leaked this. Now, what are WE going to do?

      • Robert Smith

        Kate8, kate8, kate8…(sigh)…

        You have absolutely no clue about how a TV stations works, do you?

        It’s called “setting up.” They were simply working on their templates with something in the spaces that will change. It escaped to air. It sometimes happens. Very simple, very embarrassing for the operator, and fodder for those who look for a hidden meaning behind everything.

        Please kate8 go back to finding jesus on toast and leave the real world to those of us who live in it.


      • http://comcast the fisherman

        You are right . Romney speaks with a Fork toung. Not even the indians what him

      • Kate8

        Sure, Robert. Nice try.

        This isn’t the first time it’s been revealed that all of the news is scripted well ahead of time. The vote count is tallied right down to exact numbers and percentages. Interesting…

        Reports having to do with mass shootings, “natural” disasters, and even 9/11 were scripted and news feeds filmed before they ever happened. Remember when London reported the crash of building 7 quite some time before it fell? And that’s only one example.

        There are many scripts and video ready for events that are yet to happen. This has been admitted by undercover reporters. How else do you think that full stories and videos are on TV moments after they happen? Details aren’t important. The news is what they say it is.

        Sometimes they slip up and get caught. What this tells us is this is, no doubt, how Obama “won” the first time. Polls are hyped, and people like you are paid shills to post on blogs to make everyone think Obama has lots of real supporters.

        We’re slowly but surely becoming on to the Left’s cheating tactics. Already people are reporting early votes for Romney are recording as votes for Obama.

        There is no low that is too low for the Left. You guys revel in sewage.

      • JON

        Some Christians won’t vote for Romney because of his Mormon faith. They believe it’s a cult.

      • Kate8

        Even more evidence that the vote is rigged.

        In addition to rigged machines, there are many reports of vans full of non-English speaking, likely non-citizens, being brought to polls, given democrat voting cards tellin them who to vote for, and democrats accompanying them to the voting machines, pointing to which button to push.

        I wonder how much these folks were paid.

        Gutter rats. One day this will backfire on them.

      • Stuart Shepherd

        Walter Agard- you are what the Bible calls a “fool.” The “two sides” are good and evil. figure it out.

      • Robert Smith

        Kate8 claims in the context of TV: “There is no low that is too low for the Left. You guys revel in sewage.”

        Really? TV is BIG BUSINESS controlled by corporations and the government.

        If anything it is controlled by the right.

        BTW, do you have any examples of your claims that can be seen on the web anywhere? It’s like I can make up a story that Jesus was seen at he Mustang ranch with another guy having a good time but it was covered up by a buhch of Israli folks protecting one of their own. (admittedly not true, but I wonder how far it might go) It should also be noted that his second coming was particularly delightful forr him.


      • BR549

        We ARE threatened by radical Islam, but only by the same amount of ignorance and stupidity that mindless bible-thumpers possess on this side of the pond in not seeing the larger picture for humanity.

        As much as I personally despise Israel and what isolationist, Jew-based banking has done to the world over the last couple centuries, there are many Jews who are just like the rest of us. Islam is no different.

        Yes, we are threatened by radical Islam, but the threat is a two way street. Perhaps we might try to reel in the fanatical whackos over here before we continue casting stones at others. We reap what we sow.

        That alcoholic ne’er-do-well, Bush the Idiot, managed to drape himself in the flag and sell himself as a Christian …… and people bought into that crap. As a life long Republican, I was appalled, embarrassed, and disgusted with how he was able to intentionally tug at the voters’ heartstrings to support daddy’s hegemonic agenda …. and I mean, people just lapped that crap up.

        If we are left with having to choose between only Romney to oppose Obama, I would hope that, somewhere along the line, enough of those gullible bible-thumper and grain belt pea-brains are able to pull the last two warm brain cells together and hold Romney to his word about his 2nd Amendment support, because you can’t support the Constitution without understanding why we ever had, and still need, the 2nd, in the first place.

        Romney has attended at least one globalist Bilderberg meeting and you don’t get invited to those unless the elites believe you’re willing to play ball with them. The globalists’ plan includes eviscerating the Constitution, thus Romney needs to have his feet held to the fire about any patriotic convictions he claims to have. Obama, on the other hand, has been a total globalist sellout and rather than admit they had betted on a bad horse, his minions are still rhythmically waving their hands in the air, waiting like baby birds for Hope and Change and handout.

        I would hope that Christians are able to take this election, but I would they had managed to harness a few more brain cells together before blindly choosing ANOTHER party sponsored stooge.

      • deerinwater

        the fisherman says:
        November 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm
        You are right . Romney speaks with a Fork tongue. Not even the Indians what him/

        Ugg~ , wantum him go home, ~ play with squaw and booty for many raiding parties.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Jon, I am a Christian and I already voted for Mormon.

        I am preferring hardworking successful businessman with the strong FAMILY VALUES over the Maniacal, Unstable, Ignorant, Arrogant, mentally PERVERT & sexually DEPRAVED Irish White-Negro RACIST, Lazy, serial LIAR, chronic HYPOCRITE, CORRUPT & CRIMINAL FRAUD, who cheated on his wife during all their “marriage”.

        The Kennedys, Clinton, Eliot Spitzer (client #9), John Edwards at least cheated on their wives with women. But O’Homobama cheated with the multiple same-sex depraved [comment has been edited]

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Jon, let’s compare Romney’s record with the Liar-in-Chief.

        Mitt ROMNEY:
        1. He is SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN who created thousands jobs and helped lead the company OUT OF FINANCIAL CRISIS

        2. Romney saved American’s Olympic games and thou the American image & honor
        Before Romney took the position of CEO of the Organizing Committee for the Olympic & Paralympic Winter Games of 2002, the event was running $379 million short of its revenue benchmarks. Additionally, the image of the Games had been damaged by allegations of bribery against top officials. Despite the initial fiscal shortfall, the Games ended up with a surplus of $100 million thanks to Romney’s good organization. He put the Salt Lake Olympics’ $379 M in the RED into the $100 M in the black.

        3. When he was elected Governor of MA, he entered office with $3 billion deficit. The state ran surpluses of around $600–700 million for the last two full fiscal years Romney was in office, but his successor Patrick Deval (obama’s friend) now runs deficits again (1.3 Billion)
        4. Romney gave MILLIONS to the Charities.

        And BTW, HE DECLINED HIS governor’s SALARY during his term
        But any way, by LIBTARDS’ standards, he is a vicious “greedy” white capitalist.

        Here you have the Charlatan’s record:
        1. Real Unemployment: 15% (23 Million Unemployed, Underemployed or Stop Looking for Work)
        2. Gasoline: $3.80-$4.20 per gallon
        3. The national debt: <$16 trillion (Four Straight years his Budgets with Deficit over $1 Trillion)
        4. 47 Millions on Food Stamps
        5. Annual family (4) Income Down by $4.300
        6. Record U.S. Poverty Rate. The official poverty rate is 15.1%, meaning that 46.2 million people live BELOW the POVERTY LINE (An increase of 2.6 million since 2010)
        7. The Charlatan said: The coast of Health Care will go down $2,500 – It already went UP $2,500
        8. When obama pushed for $862 billion economic STIMULUS PACKAGE, he and his administration repeatedly insisted the investments would go to "SHOVEL-READY" projects — projects that would put people to work RIGHT AWAY.
        Later obama acknowledged that, despite his promises, "there's no such thing as shovel-ready projects"
        At the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness in Durham, NC at Cree Inc. he cynically announced
        "Shovel-ready was not as … uh … shovel-ready as we expected." – obama said (June, 2011)
        NO JOBS, NO MONEY.
        9. "We're gonna punish our enemies and reward our friends WHO STAND WITH US on issues that are IMPORTANT TO US."– barack hussain O’Homobama
        And he rewarded his friends:
        According to the Department of Energy’s own numbers: In the 1705 government-backed-loan program $16.4 billion (80%) of the $20.5 billion in loans granted went to companies either run by or primarily owned by Obama financial backers—individuals who were bundlers, members of Obama’s National Finance Committee, or large donors to the Democratic Party.

        Jon, WHO you will vote for? MORMON or moron?

    • James Edward Kennedy


      • Robert Smith

        From what I’ve seen around here many who proclaim themselves don’t appear to be Christians either.

        How can one claim pro-life and support executions and deny health care?

        How can one respect their god’s gift of free will, and then take it away from Americans?

        How can they claim to be so “forgiving” but I see so much name calling on this forum?


      • Nadzieja Batki

        Christians have gone into Mormonism because their own churches failed them, so how do you explain away that?

      • http://none Charlie

        Good point , and We know it’s true ,,,but,,,can you prove that with the “Scripture”??? The Mormons as a group are not very knowledgeable regarding The Holy Bible,,,but,,, the white shirt kid missionaries that I see at the local Post Office, are likable kids and that’s what is going to be a big boost for Romney , “Popularity Politics”,,,but,,, can a rigged election system overcome “Popularity Politics” ???
        Anyone that knows anything about the “Election System” , knows it’s rigged BIG TIME.
        more often than not!… Meanwhile………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

      • Kate8

        The truth is, in many ways, Mormonism isn’t unlike Islam.

      • JON


        • tlgeer

          One of the things that I have always liked about the Mormon’s (LDS) is that they are able to admit when they have been wrong and change it. Most church’s are not willing, or able, to admit that what they believe could have been wrong and change it.

      • mr Jan Haveman

        neither are moron’s

      • Gordon

        Simple Nadzieja……. they were following their denominational doctrine….. NOT CHRIST.

      • Gordon

        Robert Smith= You and many others have some misguided assumption that “Jesus Christ IS GOD” Christians are some mamby pamby wusses who lie down and accept everything that comes down the pike as “the will of God”.. and must forgive and forget. Facts are that Scripture clearly states that Jesus and HIS apostles stood up for what was right against the opposition. Jesus Himself attacked the money changers in the temple, dumping their tables and chastising them. Christians (big C) today should be outwardly standing up for what is right regardless of the outcome of their actions. Few are.

      • Robert Smith

        Naz asks: “Christians have gone into Mormonism because their own churches failed them, so how do you explain away that?”

        Actually christians have migrated to many religions because the religion of their parents just didn’t do it for them.

        The fact is that with all the moral failings (like the sex scandals) and the money going to the top folks are beginning to figure it out.


      • http://none Charlie

        Check out Matthew 28:18 and you may see that King Jesus Christ has the same Authority and Power as His Father, The Almighty God… Meanwhile…………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Jon, wasn’t it a HUGE red flag FOR YOU about o’homobama’s TUCC (Trinity United Church of Christ), were is preached BLACK racism and hatred for America & Israel?

        Each time you, liberals, exposing your hypocrisy & double standards.

        Romney/Ryan – 2012 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • ron . r

        Wow, you guys really sound christian. Never accept anyone who is not like you. Wow, what a religion.

        • sarge1964

          Actually, Mormons are not Christians. They believe in Christ, not as the Son of God, rather as a prophet of God. They consider the last prophet to be Moroni who revealed to Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon. Let us not get into a discussion on the LDS, because I could discuss them with you for weeks. I do not consider myself a scholar on the LDS, but have spent hours upon hours studying them. Most would be very surprised to find what they really do believe. The Book of Mormon is not the only guide of life for them, they also have A Book of Commandments, Doctrine and Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price, and others. They also believe that the President of the Mormon Church, like the Roman Catholic Church, receives direct messages and commandments form God. To call the LDS “Christians” is a misnomer.

    • TIME

      Dear Robert Smith,

      Other than again proving ~ that you’re nothing less than a “wind bag full of warm brown waste material,”

      As ~ I do know how TV PROGRAMING works, as well the Movie Industry, + the Music Biz, too ~ What Kate posted in not a template ~ { Templates} are not run like this, and if you had any idea WTF your talking about yet again .

      Your condesending post to Kate, was totaly uncalled for, ~ but then again what can one expect from a mindless buffoon.

      Peace and Love

      • Kate8

        I do appreciate that, TIME.

        RS hates me because I see through so much of the Left’s BS. Besides, it’s his job to ridicule and marginalize anyone who seeks after truth.

        I feel sorry for him and those like him who are so blinded.

        I am feeling kind of heartsick lately at all I am learning, on many fronts. It’s a lonely place to be, as there is no one to talk to about it. Sadly, most people can’t handle the truth, and don’t want to know. As you know, there are potential things ahead that cause trepidation to anyone who dares look at them, and I, for one, am driven to explore them. No matter how shocking the truth is, it’s better than believing in lies.

        Keep up the good work, and keep spreading light.

      • Karolyn

        TIME – I respect and appreciate your posts; however, is it not a bit hypocritical to end a denigrating post to someone with “peace and love”?

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        Stuart Shepherd ,I can see you don’t even know nothing of the Bible.You don’t even have any common sense, you are even changing the Bible to your own meaning.If you have a bible read it again, Do you know it is a sin to interpret the bible?. That is the same thing you are doing with OBAMA. Anything he says or do, you are changing it to your own meaning…..You can’t think further than that because your brain is stuck with only negatives inside, and you know what that is called: HATE, IT poisons the mind .

    • KG

      W.A.R. – nominated for [comment has been edited] of the century.

    • Alan

      JON is right – this evangelical Christian is voting for neither the muslim heathen nor the satan worshipping heathen. I will write in Jesus Christ for president – our only hope!

      • John J.

        Yes, Jesus Christ will set up his kingdom on earth for 1,000 years. It will begin at the end of “the time of Jacob’s trouble” when Jesus will come from heaven with His church and will make war single-handedly against the nations of the world. America has already forfeited any blessing – they will not turn to Him at this point. The mainstream church is fast becoming oblivious to the truth and are turning to Roman Catholic occultism such as contemplative prayer, prayer circles, mystical meditation, labyrinths, pagan rituals, etc. It is difficult these days to notice a difference between the mainstream church and the world.

        • Bert Cundle Sr.

          Revelationest: Look at DUBI…

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      The Wealthy put Republicians in office! // The Poor put Democrats in office… The Poor now got power… So the poor will become wealthy & the wealthy will become poor!

  • FreedomFighter

    “People hearing my predictions must have thought I was stark raving mad — perhaps like some of you do now. After all, most Americans have been bombarded with flawed national polls that based their election models on the once-in-a-lifetime 2008 Democrat turnout.”

    I believe you are dead on about the “REAL” vote, but this is a Progressive communist/socialit regime that wants to take over America, they will not get another chance for at least a generation…

    IMHO every method of cheating, manipulation, outright buying of votes, digital cheating, lies, and direct interferance with the voting process is being executed by the democrat machine.

    False polls are being used to simulate a close election — that will goto Obama, by using fake voter totals…prepare them for a close election, then give it to them…when in reality it will be Rommney landslide.


    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Tony Newbill

      FREEDOM Fighter heres how they are going to do and Romney is going to have to come out and say this : ” This is why Romney was right about the way to bailout the Economic Mess in 2008-9 instead of the Obama -Bush Fascism we got ” !!!!


      • Paul Wells

        As uisual, there is a little more to the story than the frothing at the mouth left wants you to hear:

        Delphi was spun off of GM as a separate corporation in 1999 so the above article referring to Delphi as a GM subsidiary during the auto bailouts is incorrect. Delphi was spun off from GM with a lot of debt and with a lot of legacy pension obligations. It went bankrupt in 2005 with all stockholders losing everything, and reorganized out of bankruptcy in 2009 with Obama (taxpayers) bailout money bailing out the United Auto Workers Union employees but screwing the salaried employees’ pensions. In the reorg, GM bought back some pieces of Delphi and the the new smaller Delphi was bought by private investors which as far as I can see did not include Bain Capital. So Anne Romney’s blind trust invested in a hedge fund that took a big risk on the reorganized and downsized Delphi and against the odds the company survived by moving a lot of production overseas. Many financial experts say the company would have gone bankrupt again and probably laid all US employees off if it had not reduced its labor costs. If that had happened, Anne Romney would have lost her entire share of the Delphi investment. As far as I can see, the worst part of the Delphi story is how Geitner & Obama screwed the pensions of the Delphi salaried employees before Anne Romney’s investment.

        But how typical of the left to attempt to bamboozle and spin this story into something it ain’t!

        • Tony Newbill

          Paul Wells we never hear about the real Plan all along by the Liberals as this Obama CZAR takes about here ,

    • Robert Smith

      So, it’s a clear choice…



      The American Christian Taliban.


      • momo

        Great logic numb nuts.

      • DaveH

        They are both just different sides of the same Big Government Progressive movement, which puts the Leaders and their politically-connected Cronies at the head of the line to the disadvantage of the vast majority of us.

      • http://Liberty Tony

        To DaveH : Right on with what you say sir!! However, Obama wins bigtime. I showed this yesterday, i’ll show it again. Have a good day!!

      • Paul Wells

        Headlines, Nov 7th: Tony wrong again! 100% failure record in predicting Obama success. Romney wins by a good margin! Looney Left froths at the mouth and act like typical brain dead left wing zombies!

      • t.e.smith

        very insightful and totally accurate. thanks for the voice of sanity here in the mad house.

        note to readers, am not related in any way

      • eddie47d

        Still flattering yourself Paul Wells. LOL!

    • Katy

      You are so right and those voting for Obama will be voting for the destruction of the USA as we know it. Are those who want Obama ready for that? Obama has done. Otho g for one economy. More jobs lost and less pay. Insurances have gone up due to his Obamacare. They are believing what this communist says. I hope they wake up before its too late because if Obama wins the destruction of the United States will be their fault. Vote Romney/Ryan 2012 for a better life and better United States!

      • DaveH

        The destruction has been going on for over 100 years, Katy, and Romney isn’t going to change that.

      • http://speedle speedle

        Well DaveH, Mr. genius, Romney is not going to save us from Obama. There are only two possibilities, Obama or Romney. So tell us genius, which way to go? Obviously you can’t answer the question seriously because you prefer to be a whiner from the back of the room. If things were headed in the right direction you wouldn’t have anything to bitch about would you?

      • Robert Smith

        From Katy: “voting for Obama will be voting for the destruction of the USA as we know it. ”

        Ohhhhh I hope so!

        I’m tired of high unemployment that Bush drove us to.

        I’m tired of the financial crisis.

        I’m tired of the war on women.

        I’m tired of the right wing and their god trying to dominate the rest of us.

        I’m tired of the rich getting richer and not paying their fair share.

        Obama can end all that.


      • momo

        If Obama can end all the things you’re talking about, then why hasn’t he?

      • Gordon

        Robert Smith. Your deeply ingrained jealousy and class warfare speaks so loudly that I can’t hear any logic in what you are saying.

      • Paul Wells

        I just saw a movie that’s been out for awhile, that I’d highly recommend, it’s called “Agenda: Grinding America Down”. (I know, I’m behind in my viewing). If you haven’t seen it yet, definitely see it, it ties this all together!

      • DaveH

        Speedle says — “There are only two possibilities, Obama or Romney. So tell us genius, which way to go?”.
        Genius? I don’t think so, but the rest of you Progressives certainly make me appear that way. Unfortunately, I am in the minority, just as people who score in the 95th percentile are in the minority, so I doubt anything I say would elevate you to wisdom.
        I am not taking the Progressive bait. I will not rubber-stamp the choice put forward by the Progressive Power Elite. Instead I will vote for Principle. I will vote for who I really believe would be a good Leader, NOT for the Lesser of Two Evils in the vain hope that he will become less than Evil.
        So you can go ahead, Speedle, and remain in the spoon-fed Majority, but don’t blame me for the inevitable Big Government Economic Collapse and the ensuing Loss of our Freedom, because I voted Libertarian.

      • CommonSense4America

        For Robert Smith: You sir are one Stupid MOTHER EFFER !!

        • JohnR

          I find the intelligent discussion of issues is enlightening. When I read personal insults and attacks, I greatly devalue anything said; a little voice in the back of my head says “This is not a Christian way to talk”. What a waste. Shame on you.

      • Palin16

        DaveH, with all due respect, latest polls have Gary Johnson getting 1%.

      • JON

        PROVE IT!

        • Tony Newbill

          ‘The President’s Utility’ — Chicago Energy Behemoth Exelon Corporation Scored $200 Million in Stimulus Funds, and Holder’s Justice Dept. Approved Exelon’s $7.9 Billion Utility Merger With Constellation Energy of Maryland

          And in this Link it talks about this cronyism with Taxpayer bailout and stimulus Money !!!!
          For crying out loud whose going to hold these people accountable ????
          Obama’s Green Robber Barons

          • JohnR

            Spending under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 – the so-called stimulus – has been tracked intensely. Last week on “Bill Moyers and Friends”(?) – “Bill Moyers (something)” – a syndicated program that appears on PBS, Bill Moyers interviewed the guy that was appointed as Special Solicitor General to discover and prosecute fraud within the program. The guy seemed very sharp, and had some interesting tales. You can dial up the episode on both Moyers’s and PBS’s websites. A website was set up at the beginning of the stimulus called at


            On the homepage, it says “This website was created under the Recovery Act to show the American public how Recovery funds are being spent by recipients of contracts, grants, and loans, and the distribution of Recovery entitlements and tax benefits.”

        • Tony Newbill

          JON Obama has had 4 years to enable an economy that Pays for supply expansion so people can at least feed themselves with a JOB and that has nothing to do with Higher Taxation ,

        • Tony Newbill

          Jon then there is this which will Impeach Obama if he gets reelected , Justice with Judge Jeanine Opening Statement 10/27/12

      • http://none Claire

        DaveH–You are sooo correct–”The destruction has been going on for a 100 years.” It is a shame that people do not realize it.

    • Joe Hammond

      So how come the only election fraud so far has been in places like Florida by a group hired by the Republicans to register voters many off which did not exist but were registered by the Republican hired company from a man who had done this kind of thing before? As for the machines….Romney’s son Tagg (from which wife I do not know) sits on the Board of Directors of the company that will provide voting machines for Ohio………..What could that mean?

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “Romney’s son Tagg (from which wife I do not know) sits on the Board of Directors of the company that will provide voting machines for Ohio………..What could that mean?”

        It would mean nothing because the reports of voter fraud from Ohio, Kansas, and N.C. all are reports of Votes for Romney being recorded as votes for obama.

      • JeffH

        Joe says “Romney’s son Tagg (from which wife I do not know) sits on the Board of Directors of the company that will provide voting machines for Ohio”

        My GOD, you must have heard this from either Ed Schultz or Matthews on MSNBC.

        That’s just another fabrication, a lie and untrue.

        Several left-wing news outlets are reporting on a financial relationship between one of Mitt Romney’s sons and a voting machine company–with some even implying that the relationship could lead to tampering with votes on Election Day to benefit the Republican. The only problem? There doesn’t seem to be any evidence of any financial relationship between Romney’s son, Tagg, and the company.

        Solamere Capital, an investment fund founded and run by Tagg Romney, is a financial partner with HIG Capital, a private equity firm that manages a whole range of investments. HIG also invests in Hart Intercivic, a polling machine company that operates machines at polling places in Hamilton County, Ohio. But Solamere does not have any financial interest in Hart, a spokesman for Solamere tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD.

        Even the hard left liberal Think Progress points out, some left-wing blogs have floated the idea that Hart’s machines in Ohio might be tampered with to benefit Mitt Romney in the presidential election. But, Think Progress notes, there’s “absolutely no evidence” of any plans to tamper with those machines.

        • JohnR

          Plus I just heard a report on the radio that there will be scores of observers from both parties all over the place in Ohio watching all election processes. Thanks for the

      • Leonardoo

        There seems to be a pattern among Ob-bum supporters that whatever they say echoes the mouthful of lies coming out of Ob-bum. Lying has become commonplace among leftist blogers.

    • mark

      Yeah, right, FreedomFighter. And the Romney machine WON’T try to steal the election? How nice it must be to live in your twelve-year-older world where everyone on earth is either a good guy or a bad guy. Well, the rest of us live in the real world where we realize that both sides game the system to the max in order to win. BOTH SIDES. Ever hear of voter suppression, the Republican game plan for most of this century?

      • craig james

        If you want to know what DEMOCRATS are up to, just listen to what they accuse Republicans of doing. They ALWAYS use this tactic- accuse your enemy of what you are doing to shine the light in the opposite direction.
        The DEMOCRATS always lie and cheat, their lack of character can be seen by how they have to destroy political signs of their opponent. I am sure all the Democrats making comments here have done that and know it’s true.
        The bad Bush economy started when the Democrats took over Congress; before that unemployment was 4.2!!!!!!!!!!
        Democrats don’t have kindergarten intelligence, that’s why Obummer talks so slow and pauses so much, uh, uh, uh; so they can understand him.

      • vicki

        Mark writes:
        “Ever hear of voter suppression, the Republican game plan for most of this century?”

        Yes but it seems VERY unlikely that the black panthers that stood outside the polling place were republicans.

      • CommonSense4America

        Mark, you are correct. I am a Republican and I want voter suppression. I want to suppress all of the votes of: dead people, convicted felons that are ineligible to vote, people voting more than once in the same election, and yes, even the illegal immigrants. You see, I was brought up to believe in honesty.
        Call me crazy, call me weird, but I want an HONEST ELECTION. I want my country back!

      • S.C.Murf

        That’s right mark, you keep using the lower case m because of a statement like that one you ARE a little man.

        up the hill

      • Kate8

        Amen, CS4A.

        It’s pathetic how desperate dems are to steal this election using every possible method. They really believe the end justifies the means. Their entire agenda can only be wrought on the American people through FORCE, and they know it. No American in their right mind would agree to it. And they’ve proven over and over that FORCE is just fine with them.

        Sooner or later they will pay for their treason and evil ways. While I do not support today’s crop of liberal neocons, there is no faction more adept at slimy dealings of cheating and deception to promote their tyranny than the liberal Left.

    • tlgeer

      “IMHO every method of cheating, manipulation, outright buying of votes, digital cheating, lies, and direct interferance with the voting process is being executed by the democrat machine. ”

      If you can prove this, ANY of this, please do so. Otherwise it is just your imagination.

      • JeffH

        tlgeer, you are always “whining” about “proof” yet when the proof is thrown in your face via internet links you turn a blind eye and continue spewing your “pro messiah” trash.

        Blind people develop and depend on their other senses in life…including common sense. You?

        None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see.
        Matthew Henry

      • vicki

        JeffH. Notice how they demand proof yet rarely offer any for their bald assertions? Even when asked for just evidence, not even “proof”

      • JeffH

        vicki, yepper! :)



    • Sheryn

      FF you are insane– Romney will not win because there are more sane people in the country than nut cases like you. Spreading poison lies and hoping everyone will believe you. Romney does not even care about you.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        How does O prove that he cares about “you”?

      • vicki

        obama shows he cares by buying phones (with other peoples money) to give to them.

        • tlgeer

          Are you talking about the inexpensive cell phones that are part of the national program to help the poor and homeless to stay in contact with their doctors and such?

          Vicki, that’s not a program that Obama set up. Congress set it up in 1996, and there has been a version of it since 1980. There is a tax through the telephone service providers. It does not go to the Government, it goes into a fund to help the poor get services to stay in contact with their Doctors and family.

          This program will help with either a land line or a cell phone. The land line help will pay for the deposit/installation fee charged by the phone company, and will help with the bill every month. This does not include any long distance charges.

          The cell phones are the cheap phones. Depending on where you live, there is at least one program for this. Assurance Wireless and SafeLink are two of them. I believe that Verizon also has a program.

          These programs consist of a cell phone and some minutes every month. In order to get them, you have to prove that you are eligible for them and you have to prove where you live. Every 6 months, or 12 months (I’ve forgotten which), you are contacted to make sure that you are still eligible to have one. You only have a certain amount of time to respond before your phone service is turned off. If you have not used your phone at least one time in 60 days, you will lose you phone service and it will be turned off.

          I may be wrong about the number of days, but I’m too tired to look it up (my $@%^& cats woke me at 5 am this morning just because they wanted me up!) and am going back to bed for a few hours.

          • JohnR

            I need to cap the amount of time I spend on comments, but I’m really enjoying your comments. How is it you have gained encyclopedic and accurate knowledge? Wherever it comes from, please keep up the good work.

      • tlgeer

        JohnR, I look things up. I helped someone a few months ago get a cell phone, so I know what it takes. I, also, know what the program is and isn’t.

        I’ve always had a knack for using computers. Even in the late 70′s when I worked in warehouses building kits for electronic companies.

        I was an Administrative Assistant/Office Manager for most of my 25+ years working. I am, also, a genealogist. I can’t do it anymore (that part of me left) but I used to build relational databases.

        Looking for something online, and getting the right results, is a matter of how you type in the keywords. Sometimes rearranging them gets better results.

        • JohnR

          I’m a 60 y.o. retired High Tech Project Manager, engineering type, who has worked at some of the same things, and appreciates facts, tight, well-reasoned opinions – and both accuracy and precision. This stuff isn’t readily found in blogs, huh? Again, keep up the good work, and thanks for the (smiles).

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      Hope so…

  • GALT

    The Wonderful World of Willard …..continued ( and the promise of capitalism )

    Across 18 States, 25 Americans Are Dead And Another 344 Sickened By A Growing Meningitis Outbreak

    And Mitt Romney might be responsible. As Craig Unger at Salon reports this week, the pharmaceutical company that’s responsible for the outbreak, Massachusetts-based New England Compounding Company, was cited for numerous violations in 2004 while Mitt Romney was Governor. However, his administration did nothing to punish the company or place more regulations on it. Records show that that between 2003 and 2006 – there were six complaints against the New England Compounding Company, yet the Romney administration did not crack down on the company, and instead signed an agreement allowing the company to regulate itself in the future.

    It should be noted that New England Compounding Company is a big political donor to both Mitt Romney and Republican Senator Scott Brown in Massachusetts. But as a result of their “self-regulation” order by Romney – 25 Americans are now dead. As an attorney representing the victims argues, “It goes all the way up to Mitt Romney…When the person who is supposed to be in charge of oversight does not believe oversight is necessary, this is what happens.” This is why a Romney presidency is so dangerous to America.

    The safety of our air, water, food, medicine is in jeopardy thanks to government regulation that Mitt Romney wants to get rid of. We know what happens when we try to let capitalism regulate itself: economics crash and lives are ruined.

    -Thom Hartmann

    Finally, the material used for the initial posts in this series originated from:

    The Fine Print by David Cay Johnston

    Book Description
    Release Date: September 18, 2012

    “No other modern country gives corporations the unfettered power found in America to gouge cus­tomers, shortchange workers, and erect barriers to fair play. A big reason is that so little of the news . . . addresses the private, government-approved mechanisms by which price gouging is employed to redistribute income upward.”

    You are being systematically exploited by powerful corporations every day. These companies squeeze their trusting customers for every last cent, risk their retirement funds, and endanger their lives. And they do it all legally. How? It’s all in the fine print.

    David Cay Johnston, the bestselling author of Per­fectly Legal and Free Lunch, is famous for exposing the perfidies of our biggest institutions. Now he turns his attention to the ways huge corporations hide sneaky stipulations in just about every contract, often with government permission.

    Johnston has been known to whip out a utility bill and explain line by line what all that mumbo jumbo actually means (and it doesn’t mean anything good, unless you happen to be the utility company). Within all that jargon, disclosed in accordance with all legal requirements, lie the tools these companies use to rob you blind. Even worse is what’s missing—all the contractually binding clauses that companies hide elsewhere yet still enforce and abuse. Consider, for example, how:

    An insurance company repeatedly delayed paying for a paralyzed man’s vital care despite court orders to pay up.

    Laws in nineteen states let companies like Goldman Sachs, General Electric, and Procter & Gamble pocket the state income taxes withheld from their workers’ paychecks for up to twenty-five years.

    A little-known government rule gives safety waiv­ers to deadly industrial facilities secretly located underneath schools and playgrounds.

    The “FCC Charge” on your phone bill, which appears to be a government fee, actually goes straight to the phone company.

    Johnston shares solutions you can use to fight back against the hundreds of obscure fees and taxes that line the pockets of big corporations, and to help end these devious practices once and for all.

    Those examples do not begin to describe the reality that is ( free market, unregulated, capitalism ) and the wonders it has provided already and what it
    has in store for your future………

    I realize that it is comforting to live in a “idealized” world which is constructed on
    phrases and concepts such as “all men are created equal”, “unalienable rights”
    and “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”………or to want to believe that
    “capitalism” is “free markets” and the “invisible hand” will magically reward or
    punish those who violate it’s laws………..and success is based on merit, where
    what is produced is always beneficial to the public and in the interests of the common good.

    But that world is an imaginary world which has never existed, nor will it ever exist
    unless and until, these idealized concepts are brought into conjunction with REALITY
    and brought up to date with modernity, which has evolved far beyond the context
    in which these original ideas were conceived, and they were “idealistic” then.

    “Be careful what you wish for.”

    ” To conquer, first DIVIDE!” ( and the HANG, separately.)

    • Vicki

      I will offer you a far less complex ideal. Follow it and you will find that the ideals you speak of will manifest all around you.

      First Principle. Your Creator gifted you with life and free will.
      How you use those 2 gifts and how you honor these gifts in others,
      is how you shall be judged.

      • GALT

        Why thank you Vicki, that is definitely a simpler example of an “ideal” which has never
        existed………I would have included it, but since we do have “free will” it has no relevant
        application to those “ideals” which “men” have produced while exercising it.

        Clearly, the evidence is that while the “ideals” are all simple, achieving their promise
        and constructing the mechanism which with this can be done, is a bit more complex,
        since it has not happened yet, nor is there any evidence that it ever happen…….

        Which is where we began…….still I suppose it was necessary to have to point this out
        for those who thought it had been overlooked, since it had not been mentioned directly.
        Thank you, again.

      • dan

        too bad the Republican party rejected that when they booed Ron Paul for daring to suggest formulating foreign policy based upon those precepts….and the Democrats chose to reject the creator from their platform….we are faced with Hobson’s choice

      • vicki

        GALT says:
        “Why thank you Vicki, that is definitely a simpler example of an “ideal” which has never

        You’re welcome. However since that ideal is an individual mandate it most certainly can, has, and does exist in the REAL (I.E this) world. There have been many examples. One of the most famous is, of course Jesus of Nazareth. But you will find MANY MANY others. Look at the people who do things to help others without being forced by government thugs. I bet a search for stories of heroism and bravery during the recent super storm (Sandy) will show thousands upon thousands of examples.

      • http://none Charlie

        Neither you nor GALT know “Scripture”very well,,,I dare say that you both have Not Accomplished Acts 2:38 with an understanding of John 3:5 and John 3:22,23… BUT…
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

      • GALT

        Not to mention the fact that, none of the worst case scenario’s regarding what people will
        do ( as predicted ) seem to be happening……..and the “government” for whatever reason
        seems to have had some role in that………( having maybe LEARNED something” )

        Are people capable of “moral” behavior, Vicki?

        A species does not survive 195,000 years unless it has some tactic to overcome the challenges it faces……..and for all biological species ( is there any other kind? ) this
        requires reproduction by any means necessary……and adaptation to the conditions
        that set the challenges to accomplish THAT “mission”……..

        Sexuality is itself an “adaptation” to these conditions, and while biological life existed
        in abundance in the pre cambrian period for a billion+ years, sexuality does not appear
        until approximately 650 million years……….

        I have stated many times that I do not have a problem with metaphysical belief systems, but I have ASKED a number of questions which seem to suggest that, the stated goals
        of these systems seem to present contradictory signals that do not reflect the
        REALITY with which they are dealing………..or more precisely, attempting to deal with.

        But again, this is an on going discussion, to determine the right question we need
        to be asking……..after all, if nothing else we are the SAME species……you would think,
        considering the fact that other species don’t have to think, because they DO know what they are doing, or trying to do, that we might be able to agree on something, considering
        that we can THINK?

        Yeah I know, just another stupid question…………………

        One final point regarding your original post…..and your specific M.B.S. if I remember
        correctly……god granted existence……..this life is a result of the exercise of “free will”,
        which was the “wrong choice”?

        I know you will tell me if I have gotten this WRONG?

        or you have a BUT?

    • eddie47d

      I have always said there will be NO landslide and yes Romney could win. Obama could also win so these predictions are nothing more than uneducated guesses. The elections were very close in 2000 and 2004. The election was a big win for Obama in 2008 but still close. He still has large numbers on his side and there are just as many who want him to succeed as those who want him to fail. In 1960 Nixon used the Catholic “problem” to garner votes against Kennedy. Today we have Protestants who look at the Mormon religion as a cult and may vote against Romney. There is NO slam dunk for either candidate period!

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        The Mahoney Man says: I can’t prove it by any numbers, polls, etc…but deep in mi soul, I got the feeling from the moment the first debate ended that the tide has turned & I still feel that way, I just get the sense the nation was somewhat awakened to the fact that our president is an inept, lazy boob, with no real solutions or new ideas, and the nation is moving in the wrong direction & Romney, while far from perfect, offers a better alternative & better energy…pile on top of the sordid & despicable Benghazi scandal, the fact that huge numbers of young & women are moving towards Romney & I would be very surprised if Romney does not win!!

      • Gordon

        Sure Eddie there’s a large “christian” numbers who believe mormons are a cult and will vote idealism = so, as they say, they can “stand before God with a clean heart”. But mormons are generally an honest, ethical, sober, humble, patriotic people, etc. Unlike the avowed muslim president of the USA and his declared islamic religion.

      • eddie47d

        Nice spin Gordon or didn’t you know that Christians quite often vote against other Christians. Happens all the ….. You know my religion/faith is more important than your religion type of thing. I have nothing against the Mormon faith but that doesn’t mean I have to like some of the individuals within that faith. I think Romney can be a Judas himself and thinks only of himself when it comes to power and money. This election is just another chess piece to move around in his life.

      • Frank Kahn

        Lie Detected, eddie47d claims that according to his charts Obama will win by an even larger margin (not sure but somewhere in the 320 count) than first projected.

        I can find the post if you want eddie

      • eddie47d

        I never said that Gordon so please enlighten everyone with that strange “knowledge”! LOL!!!!!

      • Gordon

        Eddie it is a shame that you cannot comprehend the difference between christians (small c) and Christians (capital C). The BIG C people believe that Jesus Christ IS GOD and are following HIM. The others are most often church goers who have to have some group to cling to for support, and the whole bunch wouldn’t know the real Jesus Christ if HE was standing right in front of them…….. because their spirit is dead to God.

        • Richard

          Splitting hairs while the wolves are at the door.

      • Gordon

        Richard you are probably correct. The only thing we are actually voting on is who will appoint the next 5 Supreme Court Justices.

    • ArmyCaptain

      I understand what you are saying but still favor a capitalist dystopia over a socialist one. I don’t believe bigger government is the answer. Not when fraud, waste, and abuse are so apparent.

      • GALT

        Your phrase “capitalist dystopia” is quite interesting and when you say that you understand what I am saying, then I guess I need to know what you are saying when
        you use the word capitalism……….

        Depending on how you define it, the next step might be a little tricky……and that is
        finding actual examples of it that fit your description…….

      • GALT
      • DaveH

        For those who want a clear treatment of what Capitalism is:

        Hint: It’s not what Galt wants you to believe.

      • GALT

        Despite the fact that you insist on “functional illiteracy” DavidH, it is YOU who is
        desperate to make people believe things…….and that you need a link to do it, indicates that you do NOT have the ability to actually discuss anything that you CLAIM to understand……… links are to support YOU and your statements…….

        So you have a question to the original poster who was responding to me, links to the evidence to support my original post……and the final task…..which you seem to have missed…….so just for YOU, I shall repeat it……because you never seem to know where you are, with whom you are speaking, or what the actual subject of the discussion is:

        Depending on how you define it, the next step might be a little tricky……and that is
        finding actual examples of it that fit your description…….

      • Joe Hammond

        I am promoting that their educational system is vastly superior to ours. I am not saying that they’re Aryan (please note correct spelling and try not to use the time worn excuse of Naziism). One thing I noticed in all cases was that uniforms were worn in the schools and discipline was enforced rather than our system which allows kids to wear their pants about there buttocks like the prisoners in the California Penal System, make themselves up to look like sluttish replicas of the Kardashians, and have parents who scream that the teacher hates their little darling when they receive a “F” for a grade (and which the administration forces the teacher to change in order to not upset the parents who might call the supervisor or school board politician who needs the parents vote for bonds and themselves rather than support the teacher and the discipline needed for education….I mean, who cares about the student? They can’t vote!). If you want to change the culture of this Empire from hedonism and obesity of thought then you must start with the children and give them a fighting chance with education and discipline (and make them take the earphones out!). Since we have incorporated the corporate model in our colleges and universities as well as our K-12 system the student is no longer #1….profit is…….and look how far we have fallen……

      • t.e.smith

        in the long run, socialism is better for the masses,including you, than capitalism is

      • DaveH

        Listen to that. The guy who can’t put together a coherent comment calling me a “functional illiterate”.
        You’re a joke, Galt. Do you honestly believe anybody puts any credence in your disjointed nonsensical comments?

      • Dennis48e

        DaveH, while I disagree with you on some things this is one thing We absolutely agree on.

        “Listen to that. The guy who can’t put together a coherent comment calling me a “functional illiterate”.”

    • Mic

      Have any of you ever lived, or visited anywhere outside the U.S.? Socialism is a Big Lie. While it promises prosperity, equality, & security, it delivers poverty, misery, & tyranny. You liberals are becoming unhinged and don’t know what to do with yourselves! Take a deep breath and move ” Forward”

      • Katy

        Move Forward but NOT with Obama

      • GALT

        Like in the european union, or japan, or taiwan or canada….places like that?

      • DaveH

        Unfortunately, as the Liberal Progressives love to point out, Pure Capitalism (Free Markets, Strict Property Rights, Sound Money) has never existed because Leaders can’t feather their nests so easily with Free Markets, Strict Property Rights, and Sound Money. And the unfortunate reality is that it is mankind’s nature to allow Leaders to take advantage of the rest of us. Call it laziness. Call it apathy.
        But at the same time Pure Socialism has also never existed, because it just doesn’t work. So there is always some mixture of the two. History is replete with the failures of Socialism which is the most primitive form of Government, since the natural inclination of Leaders is to take as much advantage of their citizens as they can.
        But always (given a little time) the more Socialistic Societies are the least economically viable.
        Here we can see the results of Socialism. In this ranking the most Capitalistic countries (those with the most Economic Freedom) are at the top of the list and the most Socialistic countries (those with the least Economic Freedom) are at the bottom of the list:

        Study the economies of those at the top and those at the bottom to see the results of Socialism.

      • Joe Hammond

        I have been to Sweden, Finland, Denmarck, and Germany. The people are smarter, speak more than 2 languages, they know how to do math, they know how to read, are healthier, not trying to conquer the world with a fat military, the people are not obese, and the culture is not rampant with mindless TV comedies, sports, sex, religious nonsense, and violence. They also know how to keep their religion out of other people’s lives…….So some format of Socialist-Democracy is superior to unbridled capitalism unles you value stupidity, ignorance, violence, and fat kids…….

      • Gordon

        Gee Joe, exactly why are they smarter and better educated? Are you promoting that the arian race is superior? Are you promoting that their educational system is superior?

      • eddie47d

        Obviously Gordon isn’t open to a different point of view and thinks he knows it all. What is wrong with bettering ones country even if has socialist and capitalist ideals? Our crony capitalist system has failed us many times as has an overbearing government. Time for America to take a closer look at what works and what doesn’t work.

      • t.e.smith

        almost all of the socialist attempt’s in developing countries have been undermined by the big, bad, bully of the world; us

      • DaveH

        Purely non-sequiturs, Joe Hammond. The fact is that when Germany was split in two after WWII, the East and the West came from the same cultures of people with the same ambitions, but East Germany was forced into Communism while West Germany was mostly Capitalistic. The results were economical devastation for East Germany while West Germany thrived.
        What better experiment could one engage in to reveal the bankruptcy of the Socialist Agenda?
        Your observations on their physicality and mental prowess, Joe, are purely subjective and only a zealotous Liberal Progressive could attribute those conditions to whether they are Socialist or Capitalist.

      • Gordon

        Eddie, once again you have proved yourself. I ask a simple question and your response is an attack. Typical liberal.

        • Richard

          I lived in Norway, which is a rich, prosperous nation. They are Socialist. I am not a Socialist, but I can attest that the Norwegians are participatory in making sure they have good government. They are a peaceful, industrious and creative people. So I can honestly say that just because a nation is socialist, doesn’t necessarily equate to poverty, misery and the like. Norway has a higher standard of living than the USA and a surplus of over an equivalent of 100K USD as compared to the USA which is grossly in debt. And Norway doesn’t nor ever has randomly invaded nations, but is prepared to jealously guard their freedoms. They are well educated, voracious readers who have a world view and knowledge of the world that would make most Americans look like fools. Sorry to say….but I can say this after living in Norway. The same goes for Iceland, founded by the Vikings from Norway. Please think more about what you say.

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: “A big reason is that so little of the news . . . addresses the private, government-approved mechanisms by which price gouging is employed to redistribute income upward.””

      That’s because the “news” is big businesss too. They ain’t gonna cross each other.


    • Texas Ride

      Give it up! You don’t have to go back to 2003 to find something treasonous and destructive done by the foreigner squatting in the oval office! Why are you not outraged about marxists that hate our country and want to bring us down to being a third-world country. After all, that is where the foreigner is used to living and that is how he wants us to live. The foreigner won’t be satisfied until the government owns everything and we are but serfs in government serfdom. Talk about “forward” how about the fact that we are increasingly speeding backward, losing our liberty, personal freedom and security, our sovereignty, and our rights to live free without tyrannical government control.

      • Katy

        Maybe Texas should succeed if Obama wins then we won’t have to put up with Obama.

      • GALT

        While your citing of marxism is provocative and your claims regarding the current
        president are equally so, but you manage to mingle the two and in doing so, have
        missed the intent of this post.

        So several questions need to be posed.

        1. Does government have any role regarding the activities it’s citizens are engaged in?

        You will note that the phrase ” and that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men.” is a founding principle.

        2.) Given your answer to the first question, is government currently serving this function?

        3.) Economic’s and it’s Theories have produced several variations notably capitalism,
        socialism and communism…….which concern themselves with types of ownership of the “means of production” and “private property” and because “governments” concern themselves with “welfare of their citizenry” in order to maintain the power they have, it
        must choose a means to accomplish this, based on it’s claimed mandate as to the
        source from which its power is derived……the latter two variants of economics, socialism and communism, were reactions to the results of the obvious failures of capitalism.

        The evidence presented here is a demonstration of that continued failure, and the
        source of that “problem” is not that “government does not have a legitimate role”,
        but that it is no longer serving the “people” from which it’s claimed source of power
        is derived.

        So the final question is: If government is no longer serving the interests of the people,
        whose interest are they serving? The evidence does not point to foreigner’s, or
        socialists or communists………..

      • DaveH

        They are serving themselves. And that is always the case when the people apathetically turn control of their Marketplaces and their Lives to their Leaders. Even if Leaders were completely selfless, they still have no way of knowing the desires, needs, and efforts of any individual citizen. Only with Free Markets, where the people interact voluntarily, can we achieve anything close to satisfying most people. One size has never, and will never fit all, no matter how the Socialists try to convince you otherwise.
        Unfortunately, a reality of life is that there are a small percentage of Sociopaths in every society. And those Sociopaths are attracted to Power like moths to flame, so they concentrate heavily in and around Government:

        On sure sign of advantage-seeking Sociopaths is their inclination to beat around the bush — Double Speak — because they know they can’t give you the straight truth. Does that sound like anybody on this board?

      • http://speedle speedle

        Galt, your loquaciousness does not hide your ignorance. Of course the government has a roll in the activities of its citizens. But to pose that question in defense of statism is akin to asking a hiker in Yellowstone to observe the signs prohibiting harassment of wildlife as he is being attacked by a Grizzly. Your comments have no perspective relative to the real world.

        You ask “So the final question is: If government is no longer serving the interests of the people,
        whose interest are they serving?”, The answer is government NEVER serves the interest of the people. It serves the interest of those (human beings) IN government and all its bureaucracy. Why can’t you utopian goof balls get that? The same “evil” aspects of human nature you so despise in capitalists you suggest we empower to others and give them the power of the law (guns) to sustain themselves.

        If you are so intuitively challenged, can you at least not observe human history? Good grief!

      • GALT

        let’s see we have two responses ( almost ) which claim a problem with the question
        that is being posed……

        “They are serving themselves” is sort of an answer……now we just need to know
        who the “they” are……..and this non answer seems to suggest that it infers the government…….as in the “elected ones”……and while such positions do seem to
        promise better than average economic conditions…….then one would expect them to
        to be at the top of the pyramid…….not just in the top 20%……..and all the benefits
        ( money ) would be flowing to them…….which it isn’t…….

        As for the free market unregulated state of capitalism, it has existed many times…..that
        it doesn’t work…..has forced this government to act……unfortunately, it also exists
        now…….and the government is not acting…… whose interest is the government serving?

        The second respondent believes that attacking the question and the questioner is the
        same as answering the question……..

        Then there is the “evidence”……which is apparently, judging by these answers, unworthy of consideration or comment…….probably because it doesn’t support the responses given……which ARE NOT answers to the question.

      • alpha-lemming

        Dirty little secret that the resident communists (Special Ed(die), GUIL-T etal.) and one-worlders can never admit. There is not enough money in the world to make everyone in it middle class……. ergo societal justice and uniformity, equal outcomes/pay, cradle-to-grave “Life of Julia” empowerment (dependency), and redistribution…. ALL the things they claim to want can ONLY be achieved when everyone lives in poverty. All the character and personality traits (or lack there of) responsible for social/success disparity???…. things like motivation, intelligence, creativity, and God given talents cannot be allowed because it upsets the stale, luke-warm, inert homogenous goo defined by the lowest common denominator.

      • http://speedle speedle

        Galt writes “……t doesn’t work…..has forced this government to act……unfortunately, it also exists
        now…….and the government is not acting…… whose interest is the government serving?…..

        The second respondent believes that attacking the question and the questioner is the
        same as answering the question……..

        Then there is the “evidence”……which is apparently, judging by these answers, unworthy of consideration or comment…….probably because it doesn’t support the responses given……which ARE NOT answers to the question”, etc., etc.

        GIBBERISH! You Galt,are the one who is avoiding the question. Tell us where we are going to find these selfless bureaucrats to run your utopia? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

      • GALT

        If the post was so boring why did you feel it necessary to repeat it?

        Finding the right people to correct what needs to be corrected in terms of this
        government and its mandate and to make the appropriate adjustments to the economy so that its serves the people is not difficult at all…….

        Unfortunately, until there is an agreement regarding what the problem IS, there is little
        point in my telling you how until all the other w’s have been identified…..

        Don’t you have enough people in your life telling you what the problem is and what needs to be done? I am not here to do that……..this has been referred to as talking in “riddles”,
        but it is simply a process of determination……using facts and posing questions……to
        derive the RIGHT QUESTION as it pertains to the “real problem(s)”……..

        I am sorry if this process offends you and is upsetting you because it is NOT what you want to hear, or why you come here……….no one is forcing you to participate…….

        If you do not wish to participate the solution to that is simple………or it should be?

      • GALT

        For alpha lemming……it is interesting that you need to precede your contribution by
        labeling your imagined “enemies”……..

        Regardless of your opinion of what you may believe I am about, I do not require or use labels, unless the person I am speaking to, has identified themselves by that label, and in
        my response to even these self admitted labels, I usually find myself asking for
        clarification of what they actually mean by them……and in most cases, if I actually
        get an answer, I am still unclear……….

        I do however use descriptions in response to those posts which are directed at me….

        1.) ignorant: a correctable condition
        2.) willfully ignorant: an extremely stupid condition
        3.) Functionally Illiterate: an extremely tragic condition

        These labels are used when the “evidence” is easily seen in the responses of
        those to whom they are applied…….

        While two of these descriptions are seemingly resistant to change…..they are treatable.

        I am that treatment…..if you do not seek treatment or to be cured…….avoidance is easy,
        I hope it is not for “economic” reasons that you are being resistant… you can not afford
        what is being offered……I do have special payment plans…….

        But it should be fairly obvious that for ME….money is no object.

      • DaveH

        If you’re the cure for ignorance, Galt, I’d certainly hate to see the disease.
        You can’t even put coherent comments together, but you think that calling other people names is somehow going to elevate your comments to coherency?
        Thank you for posting, Galt, so normal people can see what kind of people advocate Socialism.

      • alpha-lemming

        No offense intended…. in my simplistic world view, there are really only 2 choices to an over-riding governing philosophy. Capitalism (anarchy) and Communism (totalitarianism). I disregard intermediate choices like Socialism because they are temporary in nature and merely transitional states enroute to one end or the other…. I’ve always viewed Socialism as kinda the seventh inning stretch on the road to full-blown Communism because it strives for all the same ends and claims to be only “sorta Communist” (from each to each yada yada). You’re posts STRONGLY suggest you are no Capitalist sooooooo…. the only remaining choice?? If it’s what you believe, I think you’d wear the label with pride and honor and not hide behind deceptive descriptors such as progressive or liberal (a co-opted word), or leftist…… you’re really all just Communists….. proclaim it loudly and proudly !!!!

        Also, I’ve seen you refer to yourself as a PLF. In an effort to continue my understanding… what is that?? My best guess is “Person Lacking Faith” but I’ll admit to some puerile pleasures in coming up with additional possibilities….. “Pretentious Liberal Fathead” is one of the few that’ll probably make it by the censors…

      • GALT

        Yes DavidH, I have no problem identifying you for what you are……and for you, all three of those descriptions apply…….and you insist on confirming them…….

        How could you possibly imagine that what YOU think of ME would matter to ME?

        The strangest thing is: what is it about me that you believe is such a threat to you?

        My self admitted label is P.L.F… are an A.L.F…….

        If you can do math we have 66.66% of our labels in common…..of course if
        we add the precursors of w.i. for you, and the e.i. for me, I hope that our
        commonality still outweighs our differences…….

        But I couldn’t care less if it doesn’t……..

      • GALT

        alpha….I am not offended……and there are “more clues” to the P and the A ( as a prefix ) to the L.F. which we both are. ( doesn’t it ever occur to you, that as a child, you were
        voraciously curious about everything…..and had to be restrained because your innocence
        and ignorance about the dangers of REALITY could prove harmful? )

        I also can tell by your questions that maybe you might not have been paying really
        close attention to me……..

        Regarding economic’s, I support none of them ( subsets)……because none of them work.
        It is not a science or a discipline, but it seems to be something unavoidable….and that
        if we are to make an “intelligent choice”, it should probably reflect what is….rather
        that what we would like it to be………we are not animals……but then they don’t seem
        to be as confused about what they need to do, as we are?

        So I am left with this……that the economy should be serving our interests, not we serving
        some interpretation of what an economy is, or what some of us thinks it should be.

        For the concept of “government”, I end up in exactly the same place…..with THIS
        exception……I believe that THIS GOVERNMENT, and it’s stated principles…….are
        a major step in reasoning for “our species”……..

        Unfortunately, being able to see the results after 2 1/4 centuries, the disconnect
        between the promise of the words used and the RESULT seem to suggest that
        maybe the people who were responsible for the words might not have had a correct
        assessment of our nature or the future events that would challenge their design.

        So taking these two elements together……..and the fact that we share 66.66% common
        interest……….that the proper course of action, for an e.i.P.L.F. would be to at
        least make the attempt to examine these things which we have in common.

        Now the question for you is am I misjudging the fact that our 2/3 commonality
        is easily overwhelmed by the effect of

        1.) IGNORANCE

        I apologize for shouting……..but repetition does get a bit trying…as it does for most
        L.F.’s…..and being an i.e.P.L.F. I should be above that……

        Any way, in case you’all haven’t figured it out……..PHASE TWO has begun……

        You see the interesting part about actually being “intelligent” is that it is its own reward.

        Think like a childe….now that you have a “mind”… that curiousity and produce SOMETHING…….solve a PROBLEM………stop thinking about the FACT that you
        are going to BE the next VICTIM…..because that is all you are doing….and that is exactly what you are going to BE…….

        I mean ………seriously?

        P.S. alpha the you was a general you not a specific you……gotta keep the FANS
        entertained………..still if you want it to be a specific you……

    • Rainouart

      In the wonderful world of GALT – Soros-funded troll – the sleaziest slimeball slanders are fobbed off (or attempted to be) as “fact”.

      What could be slimier than what GUILTY-GALT himself opens with? We’re supposed to believe Romney is “responsible” for killing Americans because … wait for it … pinko rag alleges some UNSPECIFIED causal nexus between a pharmaceutical company and meningitis. Just how this company is “responsible” for a naturally occurring disease GALT doesn’t trouble to specify. Meningitis is spread by organisms not companies. Where’s the PROOF of such an unlikely, indeed patently ABSURD accusation? But the goose-stepping slander goes on regardless: – the company “was cited for numerous violations” but where is the evidence that these “citations” had zip to do with meningitis? It would be typical of Fascist hate-propagandizing dirtbags like GALT to smear their victims with unrelated “dirt” like this. What if the “citations” were for stupid stuff like a broken water cooler in the lunch room? Let’s see LAST-GASP GALT document what the citations were for and PROVE they make the company guilty of CAUSING meningitis and KILLING people.

      The hate doesn’t stop there: “There were six complaints against” the company. What could be more cunningly vague and manipulatively un-informative than an accusation like that? Where are the details of what the complaints were about, so the rest of us can judge whether they ACTUALLY had any merit? Who did the complainers complain to? Courts? Regulatory authorities? Were the cases litigated? LAST-GASP GALT tells us nothing about even the nature let alone the disposition of these “complaints”. Typical Fascist guilt by association – just like the “McCarthyism” that Nazi humbugs like GALT are always two-facedly accusing Americans of. At least McCarthy was right, as information from the KGB archives that surfaced right after the collapse of the Soviet Union proved conclusively

      Yet GUILTY-GALT wants us to believe Romney “KILLED Americans” because why? Because as Governor he didn’t vindictively ruin a company based on unspecified complaints not proven to have any merit? Political authorities are supposed to act even-handedly, not like the cronies of plaintiffs’ lawyers.

      Here the vicious, guttersnipe mentality of Leftism / Fascism is most visible when GALT says “as a result of … Romney – 25 Americans are now dead”. NOTE THAT THE CAUSAL NEXUS (IF ANY) IS LEFT TO THE READER’S IMAGINATION INSTEAD OF BEING EVIDENCED (LET ALONE PROVEN). Last-gasp demonstrated NO nexus, not even in principle, and absolutely NO proof. One strongly suspects that he’s hiding the details because they would refute his “case”. All he can manage is to – of course!! — quote a shyster plaintiff’s attorney with dollar signs in his conniving little eyeballs.
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      But Nazis like him are also clowns — see Hannah Arendt’s The Banality of Evil — and the last and most laughable thing GULL-GALT does is quote from the blurb on the dust jacket of a book he peddles: “The Fine Print” by David Cay Johnston. Is GALT so stupid he doesn’t recognize ADVERTISING COPY DESIGNED TO MOTIVATE SALES? The scandal-mongering on the dust jacket is so vague and at the same time so tantalizing – it tells you just enough that you want to know more – SO THAT YOU’LL BUY THE BOOK AND … (guess what?) … CONTRIBUTE TO THE PUBLISHER’S BOTTOM LINE!! What the blurb doe NOT tell you is enough to know if the smoke is fire or just smoke and mirrors. So for example, an “insurance company delayed paying … despite court orders”! Oh wow man, you mean fraudsters actually exist out there!? Who’d a thunk it? But how did the case end? Was the company forced to pay up? Surely it was, or else the fact that it never did would have been the scandal, not the mere fact that it delayed (like everybody esp. gov’t). Or how about this: “Laws in 19 states let companies … pocket state income taxes withheld”. Are we supposed to believe that 19 States of the Union allow this WITHOUT GETTING ANYTHING IN RETURN!? The FACT that GULL-GALT is too brainwashed to fathom is, this is just a more efficient way of offering capital subsidies to companies that agree to relocate their business in otherwise unattractive areas. Subsidy via withholdings ELIMINATES THE BUREAUCRATIC MIDDLEMAN – that is, instead of gov’t bureaucrats collecting the taxes, then handing the revenue to other bureaucrats running the relocation subsidy program, the tax withholding system is leveraged to eliminate this expensive administrative overhead, saving the taxpayer tons of money in bureaucrats’ salaries, perks and featherbedded pensions. The subsidy comes to an end at some point and payroll taxes withheld revert to the State.

      As the book author David Cay Johnston himself admits, “Legislatures passed these laws, presidents and governors signed them and the courts have endorsed them”. Oh wow man, what a scandal that proves we should vote for Obama – Mr. SOLYNDRA himself!! – and not Romney, who has actually created wealth, not just redistributed it to his cronies.

      And so it goes with GULL-GALT’s other “gee-whiz” factoids.

      David Cay Johnston continues thus: “In New York, lawyer James Ostrowski led a lawsuit on behalf of more than fifty citizens, ranging from serious libertarians to liberal Democrats, challenging a gift of at least $1.4 billion of state taxpayer funds to a company controlled by Abu Dhabi’s hereditary ruler, Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, one of the wealthiest people in the world. The sheikh’s company, GlobalFoundries, is building a microchip factory in the Hudson River Valley near Albany” [emphasis added]. I MYSELF might have joined such a suit. As a free-market libertarian I doubt the wisdom and justice of such (re)location subsidies. But governments have been doing this sort of thing for eons, going back almost to the Stone Age, in the competition for scarce resources like industry, jobs and associated tax revenues that might locate elsewhere.

      In any case THIS IS NOT the “free market” AT ALL, but another case of government intervention into the market LEST it be “too” free. The ultimate end-result is “crony capitalism”, the opposite of free enterprise and a “free” market. GULL-GALT’s thinking that this and his other “evidence” is reason to vote for Comrade Hussein, Crony-Capitalist-in-Chief, is idiotic beyond belief.

      • GALT

        Lot of wasted effort employing logical fallacies and misstating the information cited, to reach an absurd conclusion………

        Yup, Johnston’s book description was precisely that, a book description designed
        to sell the book………this is what the words book description mean………further
        details regarding it’s content were presented in the 3 prior post’s in the series……

        The link’s deal with other work by the author…….and these deal with the relationship
        between government and business……..which you seem to have understood…..with your
        astute observation that government “approved” these, laws, programs, etc.

        With regard to the initial piece regarding Romney’s involvement with the company
        found to be responsible for the outbreaks………the source uses the term “may” and
        then describes the non-action ( in this case ) that took place which might have
        prevented the “outbreak”………..this story is “on-going” so there could be more….
        or not……..

        However……you seem to have missed the point……..regardless of your “opinion” of Obama…..he is NOT a “crony capitalist”……..he is part of “government”…….so if one simply follows the money………it doesn’t end up in the hands of government……and
        while you use the term “crony capitalist”… seem oblivious to the fact that half of
        the term is CAPITALIST……..and that what they want is “free market, unregulated, capitalism”……..and they have gotten that for themselves……..while convincing you
        that more of it, for them……….will benefit you…….the FUTURE VICTIM……..

        Of course your ignorance of history…..”all of it”…… is your primary problem…….
        government came first ( central authority ) which made “markets” possible……
        and regardless of the nature of this “authority” and the “economy” that emerged,
        everyone of them has FAILED…………

        With advent of the “industrial revolution”, the nature of the dynamic between our
        species and “everything else” has been altered………continued FAILURE is no
        longer an option………yet both government and the “economy” are integral to
        any future…… that anyone who fails to grasp that what has already FAILED
        can not possibly be a solution to what is taking place now……has nothing to offer.

        Try to use your time more wisely in the future……

      • GALT

        This is the original source with the FACTS that lead to the “may”…….

        The “willfully ignorant” never allow FACTS to alter their state of “ignorance”…..

  • http://none Claire

    Those of you that believe Romney will do any better for America are in for a rude awakening. Do any of you actually know Romney’s agenda? After all of his flipflopping, I do not have a clue as to what this guy will do. Same with Ryan. Cold, ruthless, “out for themselves” type of men. It will be a cold day in hell before I ever vote for these two shysters.

    • GraemeB

      What I find hard to believe is that Mittens was born in Mexico. Does this make him ineligible to be President? considering the other guy is from Hawaii. I always thought you had to be born in America, or it’s territories?

      • ArmyCaptain

        Romney may be a Mormon but his principles and values are favorable to socialist/communist ones. Liberalism doesn’t work.

      • Fred

        Shocker. You’re wrong.

      • eddie47d

        The thing is that crony capitalism doesn’t work either and until that is acknowledged by the right then we will continue to have these economic meltdowns from time to time. The economic collapses were brought to you by manipulative practices on Wall Street and from the banksters not “communist” practices. When the right finds its way out of the crony (gambling) wilderness maybe then this country can truly prosper. If you want to sleep well at night you need to put clean sheets on your own bed and laundry up your own soiled messes. To make it clear I would favor leadership from the Mormon Church over any communist form of government. I still don’t like the way Romney made his money and consider him an immoral thief. His practices made a handful rich while thousands lost their middle class status. We may not be much better with either candidate but Romney is one of the biggest Cronies in the country and is no saint.

      • momo

        Romney was born in Detroit, Michigan. It was his father who was born in Mexico.

      • Katy

        You are so wrong, not sure where you are getting your info but Romney was Born in Detroit, Michigan…..look it up…….

      • DaveH

        The thing that Eddie can’t seem to get through his thick skull is that Crony Capitalists would be defanged without the Force of Government to back them up. Whether the Government is Socialist or Communist or Capitalist (claims to be that is), the Buck always stops with the Leaders.

      • eddie47d

        The thing is Dave H is that few step up to the plate and defang those crony capitalists. It works both ways and apparently the majority of Americans love it. Whether big government or crony capitalists.

        • Tony Newbill

          Eddie47d the cronies are In Obamas administration and Party this time .

      • JeffH

        GraemeB, the thing is that even though Obama may have been born in Hawaii he still isn’t a “natural born citizen”…he’s a 14th Amendment citizen, naturalized by statute because his momma was a citizen and his daddy wasn’t…Obama held dual citizenship at birth because his daddy was a British subject. Though the Supreme Court has defined “natural born” on 4 occasions, the courts refuse to hear and properly rule on those facts and by doing so are every bit as corrupt as those in our government.
        The Constitution is the supreme law of this nation and probably the most violated and ignored document by those who swore an oath to defend it. Treason by any other name is still treason.

    • hipshotpercusion

      Claire, have you looked into Moochelle Obama’s eyes lately? She is a rampant racist who positively despises white people.

      • eddie47d

        Your name calling only proves that you are the racist so think again!

      • http://none Claire

        You are complaining about Michelle’s eyes??? Look into Romney’s eyes and Ryan’s eyes. Cold as an iceberg.

        • Tony Newbill

          Claire How Cold is the Mind of Obama that he would Appoint Population Control Experts as CZARS to his cabinet ? Claire

      • eddie47d

        One of the biggest problems facing mankind is over population (7 billion and will be 8 billion in 10 years). Tony needs to ask himself why so many wars are fought over the lack of resources,overcrowding and governments everywhere using up more and more land to feed its masses. We may be unique in the USA but we have resorted to GMO foods to keep production high and that may have harmful effects in the near future. I don’t want wars being used as population control either but that seems to be what mankind resorts to. Wise family planning is far more desirable that those continued and increased outbreaks of famine and old diseases coming back. Now we have wars for oil and conflicts looming over precious metals. In the “old days” it was mostly for land to feed a countries growing populations and for personal glory. So add that to the new and growing situations.

        • Tony Newbill

          I got Banned for 15 days from Facebook How convenient right before election Censorship is alive and well in America !!!!!

          Now Eddie 47d I would rather isolate the USA and feed our own people than be sucked into a centralized global system that Take away USA sovereignty and Flushes Liberty down the Toilet of the New World Order all in the name of Worldwide population Control , because the USA as well as made DEVELOPED and higher educated nations have sustainable population Growth , its the Illegal Immigration thats destabilizing the Sustsianability so why should we Give Up our Liberty and our Good Models for growth when its Not our growth thats Causing the problem EDDIE47d ????

      • Texas Ride

        And, he appointed a pedophile as head of the Education Department.

        DON’T talk about “cold” when the foreigner can hear cries for help from Americans, and be able to deny them a rescue team and their right to live!

      • DaveH

        Eddie says — “One of the biggest problems facing mankind is over population (7 billion and will be 8 billion in 10 years)”.
        Liberal Progressives love to blame everything on Population, but the truth is that Hong Kong has 3 times the population density of our most densely populated state (New Jersey). Yet their economy is robust. Why? Because they have very small Government (Government spending less than 18% of GDP compared to 40% of GDP in the US).

        And ironically, even if population size was the problem, the Liberal Progressives aggravate that by giving responsible peoples’ money to irresponsible people, thus allowing the irresponsible people to have larger families.

        • Tony Newbill

          DaveH is right EDDIE47d the Liberal Model is SCREWED UP , you guys need to go back to the drawing board and stop trying to just do everything to get a vote , and instead figure out ways to enable , with policies a SELF Reliant People that can build Honor and respectful societies AGAIN !!!!! Honor Dignity and respect only comes from being able to be self reliant not some handout that does nothing to empower the Individual o gain Knowledge on how to feed and cloth and clean and do all the things with Pride that we all need to do not look for Government to do for us , and its a Bald face Lie to think any other way because once this way that society has to function is broken then it takes Force to get these same things done , and they have to be done whether we are FREE and have the desire to be self motivated to do them our we have a top down Government Forcing us to do it , so whats it going to be folks ????

      • eddie47d

        Two years ago the Conservatives complained about Agenda 21 because they said it would stack people up in larger and larger cities and take away freedoms. Then Dave H comes along and say Hong Kong is a wonderful place to live in and thinks it would be great to be stacked up like a cords of wood. I love these argument because they will say one thing one week and then another the next time. Apparently Agenda 21 will be okay as long as its in the right place in the world and lots of money is made.

      • eddie47d

        Hey Tony you little rabble rouser; being banned or moderated what’s the difference. Welcome to the club! The thing is with immigration is that it is business propositions that bring immigrants to developed countries because the locals refuse to do the work. Happened in Europe and happens in the USA. The American people shouldn’t have shunned those jobs in the first place then those corporates wouldn’t have hired from other countries. The Military Industrial Complex,Big Corporations and Big Government all have effects on our freedoms yet obviously more people mean less land which means less freedom for the individual.

      • Joe Hammond

        Eddie is right about the population. The others demonstrate the poor quality of education in the Empire. If you look at the expansion of population you will see that it is an inverted pyramid that is adding 1 billion people faster and faster. Throughout history, populations have grown slowly despite high birth rates, due to the population-reducing effects of war, plagues and high infant mortality. During the 750 years before the Industrial Revolution, the world’s population increased very slowly, remaining under 250 million. After the start of the Industrial Revolution, during the 18th century, the rate of population growth began to increase. By the end of the century, the world’s population was estimated at just under 1 billion. At the turn of the 20th century, the world’s population was roughly 1.6 billion. By 1940, this figure had increased to 2.3 billion. Dramatic growth beginning in 1950 (above 1.8% per year) coincided with greatly increased food production as a result of the industrialisation of agriculture brought about by the Green Revolution. The rate of human population growth peaked in 1964, at about 2.1% per year. For example, Indonesia’s population grew from 97 million in 1961 to 237.6 million in 2010, a 145% increase in 49 years. In India, the population grew from 361.1 million people in 1951 to just over 1.2 billion by 2011, a 235% increase in 60 years. The population is estimated at over 7 billion now which is over 5.4 billion since 1940 (and that included the Second World War as a population reducer). Today the extension of life by medical methods and the use of fertility techniques as well as the reduction of infant mortality is increasing the numbers faster and faster. The problem is more than food. It is also clean water, housing, jobs (and this will change with the robotics revolution which has already started), and distribution of medical services.

        The Empire can close its doors as did the Chinese Empire. The result was a technologically superior barbarian who came kicking the door down to take silver and porcelain from the Chinese in exchange for the opium grown in India and Afghanistan (British Empire and the 2 Opium Wars). Hong Kong imports its food supply so the argument that the density does not matter is erroneous. The Oceans are not the bottomless pit full of fish as we are finding out. Global warming is changing the growing zones and extending them northwards (and southwards if you live in the Southern Hemisphere). If we close our door then many important elements will no longer be available to us in the quantities we need……So do it so we can get on to the revolution and hang the greedy bastards that put us into this predicament!!

        • Tony Newbill

          Joe Hammond why should we in the USA have to give up our Liberty when we are a sustainable population growth society ? The fertility charts prove this rate of conception and its the Illegal Immigration thats making our nation rise unsustainable so why are we not enforcing our Immigration laws as they are in the US Constitution ???

      • eddie47d

        Where are you giving up freedoms? Smaller families actually give you more freedom and to become a more productive individual. Which in turn allows you to make more money and achieve stability. That is real freedom unlike some families who have 5 or 6 kids and can’t even afford one Then they come begging to government for handouts. Your reasoning is flawed on the freedom issue.

      • DaveH

        Eddie says — “Then Dave H comes along and say Hong Kong is a wonderful place to live in and thinks it would be great to be stacked up like a cords of wood”.
        I didn’t say any such thing, Eddie.
        Is English your second language?

      • DaveH

        In fact, Eddie, thanks to ignorant greedy controlling people like yourself, I personally prefer to be as far away from people as I can get.

      • DaveH

        Joe Hammond says — “So do it so we can get on to the revolution and hang the greedy bastards that put us into this predicament!!”.
        It’s not usual for Liberal Progressives to honestly reveal their true nature, so thanks Joe for that rare bit of honesty.

      • DaveH

        And Joe, if you and Eddie are alarmed by our population growth, you can always make more space for the rest of us. I will send flowers to your wife.
        Isn’t it curious that a man who calls others “Greedy Bastards” would be so concerned about his own life and comfort?
        You’re a hypocrite, Joe. But since you’re a Liberal Progressive, Joe, I guess I’m not telling anybody anything new.

        • Tony Newbill

          DaveH heres Bloomberg endorsing Obama , check out what he cites as the reason …. HA , but it can’t be HAARP ….. I bet the Progressives will hold a ANTI God ceremony tonight like the rejected God at their Convention to make the Population control idea easier and easier and easier as they hypnotize the minds of the Sheeple , HA Ha ha ha ha .

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      • eddie47d

        Dave H don’t be so hypocritical you have endorsed Hong Kong dozens of times in the last 3 years and think they are a wonderful. Don’t be so bashful in what you say!

      • http://none Claire

        Tony Newbill– I believe a person can say that about any administration. Both administrations have appointed debatable characters.

      • Gordon

        Dave, Hong Kong (a city), like many places in the world, has never had to feed ITSELF. Many countries cannot feed themselves. Soon the USA will be one of them.

      • Fleur diLis

        Moochelle has been steeped in Revolutionary Theology. She learned it while spending a large majority of her youth in Jesse Jackson’s house. You better believe she hates Whites. She was a chosen wife for Obama, no love affair involved. She does what she wants, as she was promised, and she is a Marxist through and through.

        At the unveiling of the rebuilt WTC memorial, her, “All this for a flag” to Barry has certainly reinforced her Marxist philosophies. These two are so rotten, they are practically compost. We must get rid of them. They ARE worse than Mitt Romney could ever be.
        And I would much rather look upon Ann Romney’s peaceful and pleasant countenance than that hateful, brooding mug of Moochelle. She is ugly. She has the eyes of a snake.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Claire, no one is stopping you from voting for Obama. You have that privilage.

      • burt

        and nobody is stopping her from going to Cuba to TRY to live there like a human being should.
        But talk is cheap, acting on it not on the horizon..

      • eddie47d

        Yes there is a Tale of Two Cities (countries) where Cuba is right next to the Cayman Islands where Corporates hide their loot. Where those CEOs make a ton of money in the USA then brag about how lovable and patriotic they are all the while stuffing their bank accounts on foreign soil. The irony is glaring but Burt would never comprehend! Why do you think Cuba had a revolution? It was because of the excesses of American companies who exploited the Cuban people. In that case they set their money back to American banks not the Caymans. Romney has played and is still playing that same old game with devious deals to achieve his wealth through Bain. Cuba may suck and they got it wrong but the crony capitalists who they overthrew just moved their tactics someplace else.

      • Joe Hammond


        It is illegal for an American citizen to go to Cuba without permission from the Empire. Are you advocating crimminal behavior? Do you not want to make the Miami Cubanos happy by doing what they tell you to do about Cuba? Are you not a loyal Empire worshipper? Are you not willing to die to get back the Havana Casinos for the grand children of those who ran away? Shame on you……

        But then again it is obvious you are education deficient………

      • JeffH

        Nad, I doubt very seriously that Claire would cast a vote for either candidate or party.

      • http://none Claire

        Nad–you damn right I have the privilege to vote for whomever I want. Same as you.

      • http://none Claire

        burt–Perhaps you should go to Cuba, the way you speak, you would fit right in.

      • Gordon

        Eddie47d…… Since you seem to hate this capitalistic Nation and who we ARE…… I will purchase for you and one other person, a one way ticket to anywhere in the world you choose to go, if you sign away your US citizenship and promise to never return to US soil ever again.

        Try me.

      • eddie47d

        I can’t afford it but someone should buy you a one way ticket to Hong Kong.

    • Fred

      The word “flip-flopping” is now making the rounds coming from all the emails being sent out by the DNC to the Obozo zombies.

      • momo

        Romney flip flops, but Obama “evolves”. What a crock.

      • eddie47d

        Does the truth hurt Fred? Name one issue where Romney has not changed his mind. He is not steady or consistent. Its great when someone is willing to change their mind but not on everything in such a short period of time. Are you a Romney Zombie? (since you want to be cute with name calling)

      • JeffH

        There you go again eddie “the hypocrit”…whining about name calling. You’re clearly one of the first to step up and call others names you hypocrit.

        Will you deny that isn’t true? I’d be more than happy to provide the proof

        • Tony Newbill

          JeffH remember Jeff ??? He has not been around while Eddie47d has been but they have the same MO …. hum .

      • eddie47d

        Hypocrite Jeff H who does his share of name calling! LOL!!! The difference is I usually don’t mock anyone unless they have spoken first unlike most of the trolls here . Now check out the real facts within Conservative comments and see who makes disparaging remarks first. Think you could be honest about it for a change.

      • JeffH

        Tony, not to worry…Jeff is probably a paid schill while eddie’s just not smart enough to get paid for it.

      • JeffH

        DUH! eddie says “The difference is I usually don’t mock anyone unless they have spoken first unlike most of the trolls here”

        Are you now admitting that you too are a “troll”

        Again eddie, that is an absolute lie.
        Second, how could I be called a hypocrit over name calling.
        1. I’ve never denied it.
        2. I don’t go around telling other people to stop as if I’ve never done it.
        3. You get bent when someone disparages Hillary, Obama or any other progressive and turn it into your own little personal battle to defend their name and even their honor, despite the fact that such disparaging remarks may have a solid foundation.

        eddie, you are and always will be a hypocrit…be proud of that and don’t deny it.

      • eddie47d

        You’re one of those mocking persons Jeff and yes I do come a calling.

      • JeffH

        eddie, darn right I mock you and deservedly so…you being an ignoramus has made it a lot easier…it’s like an invitation.

      • Gordon

        PEOPLE= Can’t you see that Eddie is just pushing your buttons for fun? Why do you give him control over your mind.

    • danny

      Claire, You must be a Democrat . I believe the only thing you people understand is Comic Books or Cartoons. Romney laid his plans of real change out simple enough that my ten year old grandson understood it. He even commented on the fact our industries had left because of over taxed and over regulations forceing them to leave. He understood why they would return once this hostile inviroment was removed. Romney exsperianced the “HOSTILE” Government conditions first hand . And it has been increasing ever since. Wake up America. Industries didn’t leave America because it was still the land of opportunity. America became the land of OPPRESSION toward Industry. Mitt Romneys plans will bring our Industries back home to America. God Bless America.

      • tlgeer

        Around 80% of our country is working. A lot of that is manufacturing. So all the manufacturing has NOT been driven from out country. Plus, a lot of the manufactures went overseas to manufacture because that is where they are selling the goods that they manufacture.

        Shipping costs, tariff costs, and taxes add up.

        • Tony Newbill

          60 % are working for Government either state local or fed , 25 % are retired and the rest that does not leave to many legit tax payers does it ?

      • Joe Hammond

        Danny and Tony,

        Great examples of the quality education system we have here. Between the spelling and the math in these 2 brilliant responses I know that I will invest in Chinese War Bonds because I can see where the educated masses will be racking in the jobs and breaking through the technological barriers……leaving the semi-literate Empire wage-slaves to look at their I-pods and never hear it coming because of the earphones….

        • Tony Newbill

          Yeah Joe and you Know its coming because your guy Obama is helping them ready their Weapons !!!!!!

      • eddie47d

        China became “king” under Reagan/Bush/Clinton and Bush. Its not just an Obama problem as you would like to portray.That came to being quite some time ago!

      • JeffH

        tlgeer says “Around 80% of our country is working. A lot of that is manufacturing.”


        • tlgeer


          This is a link to one of the sites.

      • Frank Kahn

        tlgeer: I would like to hear (see) your proof that the things manufactured overseas are done so to be sold there. I have bought many “US automobiles” that were not made in the US. Most parts of a car are not manufactured here either. Look at the made in logo on your TV, appliances, toys and other assorted household items. Go shopping in Walmart, and look at the made in logo’s on their merchandise.

        As to the claim that 80% of america is working, if you mean that as a percentage of the available workforce, do you think that is a good thing? Do we cheer about the people with jobs or cry for the 20% that dont?

      • JeffH

        tlgeer, thank you.

        Now, understand what that 80%+- means.

        There is still the 47%+- that are unemployed and there is also the underemployed that have lost unemployment benefits that have just stopped looking for work.

      • http://none Claire

        “Claire–you must be a Democrat.” Well at this point in time I am certainly not fond of the Republican/Tea party. So if you want to call me a Democrat, so be it. I no doubt have been called worse in my lifetime. I have been around for 71 years, and with this current campaign I believe I have seen, read, and heard every slanderous slop that is humanly possible. I don’t care for flip-floppers, I want someone that will stand by what he/she says regardless of the outcome. I also don’t care for anyone that evades questions/issues. Romney/Ryan fit that scenario. Exactly what is their agenda? They don’t know themselves. As I said before, it will be a cold day in hell before I ever cast my vote for those two shysters.

      • Gordon

        Jeff, I spent over $6,000 this year seeking full time gainful employment, including working a job 250 miles away living at my own expense to be there. There are few jobs available anywhere in middle America, and only for burger slingers and skilled medical personell. “Welcome to WalMart” only pays $160 a week if you are lucky.

      • JeffH

        Gordon, I hear ya’…and sadly you’re not alone.

    • Cliffystones

      And Barack is just soooooo adorable!

      • eddie47d

        Maybe your 10 year old grandson should have Romney’s bank account explained to him and see if he understands Corporate greed Danny. Tell him the Romney made $92 million while cannibalizing one company and laying off hundreds of workers. That was only one of several that he made a fortune off of within a few months worth of work. Is that the easy money he will desire ?Tell him to compare apples to oranges and why those jobs really went overseas. Why Corporates sacrificed jobs in America to make more money for themselves. That their wealth is unprecedented in America yet greed became their new king. That they are the ones who outsourced those jobs and turned away from America. Show your grandson the environmental damages several of those Corporates leveled on this country and then skipped out and made the taxpayer clean up the health hazards. Will he grasp the greed on Wall Street and how it brought about our economic collaspe with devious practices. Will he favor the banksters who did terrible harm to the consumer when regulations were taken away from those banks? Will he say grandpa how could you let them get away with that or will he say he wants to be just like them? Romney IS part of the problem and IS hostile to the American worker. Please tell him that Romney made his fortune mostly by tearing apart other businesses and buying them out. Then leaving workers in the unemployment lines who if lucky got paid less for doing the same work. All the while corporate wages went up so is that the dog eat dog world you want for your grandson. See if he understands both sides of the equation.

      • momo

        Nice propaganda speech eddie, did the DNC give you those talking points? You forgot to say that this country is broke and getting worse every day. The feds spend 4 BILLION dollars a day, that’s alot of of money! I don’t see Obama doing anything to change that, but what can you expect from a “community organizer”, is that even a job? And as for crony capitalism, that knife cuts both ways eddie, remember Solyndra?

      • DaveH

        In Eddie’s superficial treatment, it is obvious that he doesn’t understand the difference between Crony Capitalists, and Market Capitalists. Crony Capitalists do indeed take advantage by getting special protections from their Crony Politicians over their Market Capitalist competitors. But Eddie would no doubt dislike the Market Capitalists also for achieving wealth, even though that wealth came from voluntary transactions and pleasing their customers.
        If Eddie and his fellow Liberal Progressives don’t think that’s right, then why don’t they pool their monies, buy capital machinery and real estate, put in the long hours, and run their own successful companies? Then they could pay their workers anything they wanted. But they don’t, because Eddie and his cohorts know that they really aren’t worth what they like to think they’re worth, or they would do that. It’s so much easier to jawbone than to act.

      • eddie47d

        Dave H and his “cohorts” (to use your term) allow the crony capitalists to out maneuver the “real” Capitalists. You talk about it until you are blue in the face Dave H yet those crony capitalists still ply their trade in the banks and in the Mortgage industry and on Wall Street. Big Pharma tried to eat up the consumers and then the government and us citizens had to put a stop to their antics of charging thousands of times above the cost of a product. If you really care Dave H then take on Monsanto and their piracy of the American farmer. You won’t do it because there is No true Capitalism. It is all crony and getting worse. I know you don’t support Romney but he is the worst of the worst in applying crony capitalism and your battle will only get harder.

      • JeffH

        And…it’s much easier to sit back, become a tool, and enable big government to restrict freedom and liberty, to redistribute the wealth, to force the rich to “pay their fair share” for the common good. Ignorance is bliss!

      • eddie47d

        Same old argument from Jeff! You have to be willing to take on Big Business and Big Government . Sometimes its hard to tell which hand rocks the cradle yet they are both guilty in making it hard on the middle class. Being Ignorant on what the crony capitalists are doing hardly makes you the smartest rock in the box!

      • JeffH

        eddie, LMAO! Meaningless drivel!

      • eddie47d

        Another weak kneed reply from Jeff H the master of all. (In his own mind)

      • DaveH

        You’ve got a big mouth, Eddie, but other than using it to store tennis balls, it really isn’t much good for anything else.

      • Gordon

        Eddie, indoctinating children into hating money what money does and teaching them class warfare is counter productive. If children were taught how money and business works they would respect the process that puts food on their table and their axxes in nicer cars and beds.

        The problem WE have today is that since the 60s children were never taught anything about government, finances, business, etc. In fact, many today can hardly read, count change, and balance a checkbook, etc..

    • Shelia

      you are right claire he is still flip flopping and lying, he is horrible

  • Warrior

    In a proud moment yesteday, rahm announced one of his “private/public” partnership deals with Walgreens. Walgreens agrees to donate tens of thousands of $25 gift cards to inner city parents who will show up for for their “parent/teacher” conference meeting. Isn’t this just another fine example of “sound progressive ideals”? Parents of public scrool children now have to be “bribed” to attend to their obligations. And people wonder why this country is so screwed up. Look no further than your local “progressive” so called “leadership”.

    • eddie47d

      That sounds more like a parent problem rather than a “progressive problem”. Now if the Conservatives were in change they wouldn’t do anything ( like they always do in the inner cities) and the parental laziness problem would fester even further. This Wallgren solution may be weak and you make a good point of bribery yet it does bring the lazy American to the forefront. It also shows that outside forces (Wallgrens and Mayor) are willing to pitch in and do something about it. That is leadership!

      • DaveH

        It’s not Leadership to spoil people with other peoples’ money, Eddie. It’s vote buying and extortion.

      • danny

        Hey eddie do you know why you don’t feed wild animals?? It is real simple They become “DEPENDENT” HELLO reality is knocking you Democrats just don’t get it. God said he who don’t work don’t eat. Man shall live by the sweat of his brow. He that provides Not for his own is worse than an infidel. Are you democrats smarter than God. Your wefare dependency and our National debt says you are a bunch of “LOSERS”.

      • Paul Wells

        Aw, you can’t reason with a socialist like eddie…he’s too far gone. He’s drank way too much of the kool-aid!

      • eddie47d

        Danny I never said man/woman shouldn’t work for a living or support themselves. Please point out where I said that? I support any effort to get parents involved in their children’s life. If charter schools or home schooling works for you that is great but that wasn’t what you brought up.

      • eddie47d

        I love living in America Paul Wells yet we have had socialism from the start. You also live in a socialist/capitalistic country or didn’t you notice? I bet you take advantage of many socialist offerings and also make money off of the capitalistic offerings. How does that kool aid taste to you?

      • Joe Hammond

        Let us not forget that the “conservatives” prevent many unwanted children from being born because they hate abortions (and many hate contraception). So these children are forced onto unwanting and uncaring parents who do such things as abuse and ignore their kids. But wait, the same “conservatives” that scream against abortion because all life is precious are the same ones who are against welfare, aid to families with dependent children, child care from government sources, government foodbanks, better education for ghettos, and sex education. In other words, to a “conservative” the preciousness of human life ends at birth. After all, look at all the Republican Wars that are fought by the Empire. Co-lateral damage is killing some innocent people along with the guilty…but to “conservatives” this life is after birth and is not so precious anymore…unless it is their kids….maybe…depends on the profit…..

      • DaveH

        Yes, Joe, we get it. You are most Charitable. With other peoples’ money that is.
        Don’t flatter yourself, Joe, Charity doesn’t come by your hand in other peoples’ wallets. You are just a Thief. Own it, Joe.

      • DaveH

        Joe is just one of the many citizens of our modern day Society of Criminals:

        And they fancy themselves to be Compassionate. Talk about La La Land.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What part of “keep your legs clamped, ladies” and “men keep your willie in your pants” don’t you have an understanding of. I thought that sex education in the schools paid for by taxpayers would have solved that problem.

      • Gordon

        Eddie, that’s the g reat social experiment of the 60s come to fruition

  • john

    after this last bit of drivel from another so called Libertarian such as Mr. Root (aptly naming himself WAR as in warmonger) I will stop subscribing to this newsletter. Anyone that can think that Romney will advance free market and capitalism must have their head in the sand.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So unsuscribe. You didn’t have to make a hissy fit to do it.

    • danny

      john, I don’t think anyone will miss your sniffiling input , So good luck with your obama team. You and Chris Christy with his non political scam to re-impower obama. And I do wonder what he thought the American people would think of him takeing the time out for that politicaly staged photo opt with obama and his minions. I wonder if he thought the people would think Superman had came to save the day. When you look at where people truly stand it isn’t hard to determine who’s side they are on.

    • Dennis Sentelle

      No John you are the one with your head in the sand. If you think americans will vote for another four years of what we just had. You have to be one sick SOB.

      • eddie47d

        Dennis ; John did get one thing wrong because Romney is the ultimate crony and king capitalist. If he is elected those crony Elites will still be making buckets of money all the while the American worker will continue to take a hit in wages and pensions. Romney will look out for his boys on top yet I don’t see much of anything trickling down.

    • DaveH

      No true Libertarian would back Romney.

      • Tony Newbill

        Any vote for anyone other than Romney is a Vote for Obama and the END of American as we have been brought up FREE to Hope we get a shot at our Unalienable rights .
        Get Ready for a One Size Fits all Forced mandated Useless eater bureaucratic panel that decides when your time is up and you don’t get treatment but rather a Room with one last meal before time is up !!!!!

      • DaveH

        Actually, Tony, only a few states have done polling about the effects that voting for Gary Johnson would have on whether Obama was elected or Romney was elected.
        In 3 of those — Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico — Gary Johnson would take more votes from Obama than from Romney.
        So there is no reason to waste your votes on a NeoConservative Progressive like Romney.
        Even if that wasn’t true, how do you think that rubber-stamping the Big Government Loving candidate presented to you by the Power Elite is going to ever get us back our Freedom?

        • Tony Newbill

          I think we have a Better chance with Romney wanting to restore the Nations economic system with more self reliant enabling policies than we will get with Obama . It wouldn’t be as easy to prove Obama is a Fraud when he says he wants to enable the Middle Class as a free Society but when you see all the totalitarians in his administration that all of a sudden puts a spot light in the Middle Class as the One class society they are striving for , and the healthcare policies and anti free market policies will do 2 things to the rich and the elderly people that stands in their way of transforming the USA into a One star flag One class society …. by Obama care cutting off treatment to the old folks and they expire quicker , and the rich will leave the USA permanently and go live in their other locations while this transformation takes place . THIS is the plan they have put together to then use as a Model for the rest of the worlds population control efforts because they feel they cannot preach control as long as America is free . this is said on page 2 of Ehrlichs book

        • tlgeer

          “Actually, Tony, only a few states have done polling about the effects that voting for Gary Johnson would have on whether Obama was elected or Romney was elected. In 3 of those — Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico — Gary Johnson would take more votes from Obama than from Romney.

          If he wants the job then he has to get put on the ballot for all 50 states. Polls don’t actually mean much. I, too, would like to see more party’s in all the states. But that, also, means that those party’s and their candidates have to be willing to put themselves out there as they are. For instance, if you are Libertarian don’t get yourself be put on the Republican party ballot. If you are of the Green Party don’t try and get on the ballot through the Democratic Party.

          If we want more parties that WE have to push that idea. And WE have to make sure that our candidates platform actually fits the party. For instance, there are far too many Libertarians that follow on the Republican party’s coattails. There are far too many Green party candidates that try to follow on the Democratic party’s coattail. This needs to stop, IMO.

      • DaveH

        I agree, TLGeer.
        The Libertarian Party in the past has desperately put up people like Bob Barr (and WAR) hoping obviously for more attention, since few people even know what Real Libertarians stand for. But I think the only chance we have is to remain pure and wait for people to catch on rather than water down our message to attract ignorant voters.

        From the Father of Libertarianism (arguably):

    • Linda from NYC

      To John,
      if anybody has their head in the sand it is you John

      • Gordon

        I’m pretty sure that Eddie47d and Christopher Allen Horton are alter egos.

  • Rosco1776

    Romney isn’t a Christian, why would I vote for him. Besides his policies are the same as Obama’s. Neither one will change the status quo and destructive route this country is on. Good luck folks as the hurricane fed/war/spending headed for the entire US is unimpeded by either two.

    • Fred

      No difference. One is for socialism and wants to fundamentally transform the country. The other is for capitalism and the free market. You’re right: no difference.

      • DaveH

        Romney is not for Capitalism, Fred. Nowhere close. Romney serves those who pretend to be Capitalists, but use the Power of Government to stifle their True Capitalist competitors.
        Crony Capitalism (despite the name) is NOT Capitalism (Free Markets, Strict Property Rights, Sound Money).
        Read this book to understand what Capitalism really is:

      • Nadzieja Batki

        DaveH, this is as good a time as any to ask why do you prefer Mises instead of Hayek?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      If you believe there is no difference between O and Romney, then you might as well vote for O.
      Throwing temper tantrums because you didn’t get the choice of cookies, so to spite your daddy and mommy you won’t take any of the choices is very immature and manipulative.

    • danny

      Rosco. will you name those policies concerning the Federal Governments role in governing, that are the same between Romney and obama, You people say that as though you have some secret list that no one else has seen. And then you have judged Romney to not be a Christian ???? Who are you to Judge another man’s servant These people confess and profess “JESUS CHRIST” as their Lord and Savior. what is it to me or you their beiefs of what heaven or their rewards may be. And what their past beliefs or church orientations were. If God has brought them to the Light of the, Truth of JESUS CHRIST. who cares ????????????????

    • eddie47d

      Where have you been in the last two thousand years Danny? Processing Jesus Christ is wonderful yet the world has been manipulated by countless Christian hucksters who profess the same. There was nothing Christian in how Romney achieved his wealth and I doubt if Jesus would have approved!

      • DaveH

        Neither you nor I know how Romney achieved his wealth, Eddie. He may have used the Protection of Big Government, or he may have earned it by making sound deals and pleasing his customers. But if the Former, the best way we can stop that is to shrink Government dramatically and get them out of our Marketplaces so they don’t have the Power to aid their Crony Capitalists. Yet, you Liberal Progressives want to give them even more power. Probably because you, like the Crony Capitalists, want to share other peoples’ hard-earned money whether they like it or not.

      • danny

        Well Eddie, are you saying that you have been deemed the Judge and we should listen to your decree and judgement. Did you seek God’s opinion first or did you make this Judgement on your own. You people claim to believe in the American dream,and Freedom of belief, You can accept, Muslim anti-Christ beliefs and teachings, UnGodly Homosexuality, baby murderers, and free loaders.???? “BUT” you jealous “LOSERS” condem a man who has proven success in spite of a Government that suppreses industry and penalizes people who provide “JOBS” . And now Mitt Romney wants to make it easier for you and me to succeed by getting this horrible burden of GOVERNMENT regulations, tariffs, and taxes, off of our backs. Wake up eddie you have been HYPNOTIZED.

      • eddie47d

        I think Dave H just pointed out his bigger problem: “doesn’t know how Romney achieved his wealth” I bet you know but refuse to admit it. It wasn’t honorable honest and was at least borderline crooked. If you endorse his practices then I would vote against you too!. Thieves of a feather flock together!

      • DaveH

        Another nonsensical statement from Eddie.

      • eddie47d

        Did the truth cut a little deep Dave H?

  • mikednjusa

    Thanks for this! I really needed a good laugh this morning!

  • TOCB

    What planet do you people live on? I am a christian but despite the USA’s claim and even maybe its intent to have been founded on christian principles, it was never intended that the USA be a christian nation or a nation governed by any other religious doctrine. We criticize middle eastern muslim nations that are governed by muslim doctrine, yet many in this country would do the very same thing here. Good for you if you choose to live by whatever religious doctrine you choose. However, as a christian you should think about the fact that God gave a law by which a nation was judged and they found they could not live by it and He gave them a saviour instead. Everyone has to freely choose to follow God’s laws. He could force us to accept it but He doesn’t. Why on earth would you people think you should?

    • danny

      You seem to be badly misinformed of our founders intent. Our laws had to be first confirmed that they had been derived from Christian text before they were adopted. Our State and Federal buildings were used as Place for Christian Worship even the Capitol building. Our school children were taught from the Christian Bibles. Our leaders constantly proclaimed over and over the dire need of God and our Lord Jesus Christ in our Nation. You say you are a Christian, yet you are willing to Water Down or simply remove his Marvelous works in the founding and preserving of this land of his “CHRISTIAN” Founding . ???

      • eddie47d

        Although you made a great reply on our nations founders Danny there is more to the story. What they wanted and what they practiced were two different animals. There were very select rights given to a few even though the Constitution and Bill of Rights said that all would be included. Rights were denied to many,slavery continued,lands confiscated,natives killed and certain religions were persecuted against. Including other Christian religions. We have come far yet we don’t always practice what they preach and they didn’t either.

        • Tony Newbill

          EDDIE47d I bet you believe in Evolution too don’t you ?? So where is the Transition we can see where the Monkey is half way through the morphing into Human ?? This should be happening somewhere so where is it ???

      • DaveH

        I believe in Evolution. It makes a lot more sense than an all-powerful supernatural being that “always was”.

      • DaveH

        Religions do serve a good purpose — that of instilling some morality in their Followers, even if they aren’t able to fully apply that morality in politics.
        However, I can’t abide by Religious people who condescend those of us who simply don’t believe in their God.

    • http://none Charlie

      Any one that claims to be a “”Christian” and cannot readily produce the “Scripture” that they complied with to become a so called Christian , most likely IS NOT a True Christian
      PER The Book…Why do you think God spent thousands of years creating The History to have The Bible printed about ??? So you Johnny come lately could just do what any false prophet preacher says to do ???
      NO MY FRIENDS,,, YOU GOT TO DO JUST LIKE ,,,King Jesus and His “Ranking Men” say to do to become a Christian , AND as I have been pointing out now for months, the
      “basic” Scripture” for Salvation which will make you a True Christian per the Book is spoken by Peter at Acts 2:38… NOW , Paul says similar things,,, BUT,,, Acts 2:38 is more complete and Peter out ranks Paul , regarding salvation, The TOP RANKING Man of The Whole Bible , King Jesus Christ , tells you to do Acts 2:38 with John 3:5….
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom,

      • Frank Kahn

        Been waiting for you to poke your head back out of your hidyhole. Producing scriptures in your modern bible does not prove you are a Christian. If you produce it from the original text in the original language then you can talk.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Yeah,,,been in My Prayer closet ,,,praying some Psalms against you false Jews, that are listed by King Jesus at Revelations 2:9 and 3:9,,,also listed at Malachi 1:1–5………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          What else do you do in your closet?

  • Gillysrooms from Australia

    How can you really say you want to defend capatalism when we really have socialism in both USA & Australia. The states and the feds control every part of our lives and the laws are so repressive against its citizens with so many laws that many people can become criminals without even knowing it, just like happens in communist countries like Russia. We have two main parties each who believe they know better how to tax those who can be taxed because they have people or corporations who worked or saved or who have assets which can be taxed so the collections can be redistributed amoungst the many more poorer in our countries. So please dont delude yourselves into believing we have free enterprise capitalism under any form of democracy. It is plainly not true.

    • danny

      Gillysrooms, You have made a great point, And that is why that someone needs to recognise the importance that Mitt Romney is makeing about “DEREGULATING” . America was founded as a Republic and either, traitors to the Republic or ignorant men and women to the principals, of a Republic have polluted it. Under our Constitution as and of a Republic. These laws could and should be Abolished.

      • eddie47d

        There you go again Danny! It was corporates who did the environmental damages and have even financially “polluted” our economy with deregulation. There has to be a balance or neither side wins and then we all lose. I would consider some of those Corporates to be “traitors” to Americas principles and they have abused them many times over.

      • DaveH

        You don’t have the slightest clue what you’re talking about, Eddie. The richer countries are the cleaner countries. If you ignorant Liberal Progressives further increase the amount of Socialism in this country, which will further impoverish us, then we can expect more pollution, NOT less.

      • eddie47d

        I’m well aware of the fact that places like Russia are some of the most polluted places on earth. Yes communism can leave an even filthier trail across the landscape than any thing that we can imagine. Even with all the Superfund sites we have.

    • t.e.smith

      the reason for regulations is the history of abuses and continuing abuses of the capitalist

      • Tony Newbill

        T.E Smith how do you regulate a totalitarian communist regime once they take over the Free Market system Capitalism represents ?

      • eddie47d

        What are you talking about Tony? There is no “totalitarian communist regime” here in America. The closet thing I can see is a totalitarian crony capitalist regime whether under a Democrat or Republican Party.

        • Tony Newbill

          EDDIE47d/Jeff lets start with how many EOs Obama has Signed since he took office , they rest here is usurping US Constitutional authority by a Dictator , NO BUDGET for 4 years common , and don’t say it was because of republicans , Obama didn’t want anything the Republicans wanted so he has been forcing debt ceiling increases instead yet more totalitarianism , This is for you EDDIE47/Jeff , Right Now America

          pay attention to the credits ….

  • Don

    ANYBODY but Obama!

    • Mike

      obama needs to go Romney will do a good jod , he can manage the Country and get us back on trac. We know obama is over his head. I could go on but chose not to he has 99% of the black vote he gives away free phones to buy votes. The list of crimes agains the U.S.A. need to be brought to justice.

      • eddie47d

        Although Obama and Romney are both embedded in Wall Street it is the Obama administration who championed bringing the crooks to justice. He was thwarted by Republicans at every turn who refused to prosecute those misdeeds. Romney on the other hand is part and parcel of Wall Street way before the economy tanked and was part of their manipulative practices. He made buckets of money off of loose regulations and rode on the back of their bad behavior. Not sure why the Republicans dismissed the misdeeds of those Banksters or why the Democrats didn’t fight harder to present their case against them. Neither party impresses me but I look at the root cause of our financial collaspe and the trail leads to both the Republican Party and the Democrat party. The D’s can’t say no to spending and the R’s can’t say no to Corporate (Wall Street) thievery.

        • Tony Newbill

          EDDIE47d common man Championed Hating the RICH is More like it and it was all a Convenient crisis for him to then APPEAR to be the Cure for after His treasury sectary created the dam crash in the first place starting in 2006-7 when he started to conspired with London on Fixing the LIBOR rate to encourage Easy Lending qualifications to emerge !!!

          So maybe the Champion should trun himself in for the Crime of Dereliction of Duty and being AWOL on the poor Libyan US Ambassador and 3 seals that he watch get murdered for 9 Hours and told the CIA to Stand down on sending them any help !!!!

      • momo

        eddie47d says:”Although Obama and Romney are both embedded in Wall Street it is the Obama administration who championed bringing the crooks to justice. He was thwarted by Republicans at every turn who refused to prosecute those misdeeds.”

        And just how did the Republicans thwart Obama bringing the crooks to justice. All Obama has to do is call Holder and tell him to start an investigation. Face it eddie both parties are bought and paid for by wallstreet.

      • eddie47d

        I didn’t say Obama solved the problem of the abuses on Wall Street but was stopped by the Republicans who thwarted every bill to do so. The Republicans even brought Eliot Spitzer’s work in exposing the Wall Street crooks to a complete stop. Shame on them.

        • Tony Newbill

          EDDIE47d/Jeff most of the Wall Street Crooks are Crony Democrats , lets start with John Corzine ……

      • eddie47d

        Take off the coke bottle glasses Tony and yes there are Democrats who are snakes also. I never said differently.

        • Tony Newbill

          Heres what face book said about our First amendment rights , Posting to Pages Temporarily Disabled.

          We’ve noticed that your account has been posting spam and irrelevant content on Facebook Pages. Because of this, your ability to post on Page walls has been suspended for 15 days.

          If you continue to post spam after this block has been lifted, your account could be permanently disabled.

          You can learn more about Facebook Community Standards here:

          • tlgeer

            “Heres what face book said about our First amendment rights”

            The problem, Tony, is that Facebook, like this website, is privately owned. It is not public. In order to post on their website you have to follow their rules. Which means that the 1st Amendment is not in play here.

            If you want to post stuff, and not be restricted, get your own website and post whatever you want. It’s not like they’re expensive.

          • Tony Newbill

            thanks tigeer , I think Facebook needs some Competition , and I bet if free of speech is inspired as long as is constructive speech in debate form literary the cry babies that go to the webmaster won’t censor the community and turn it into a sheeple society like they want .

  • vietnamvet1971

    The “Coward in Chief” and his EVIL Regime must GO!

  • Average Joe

    “Christians Will Empower A Romney Landslide”

    If so, then they aren’t really Christians or don’t understand the true concept of being a Christian. None of Romney’s policies or beliefs are Christian (NDAA, Patriot Act to name two). If anyone voting is for Romney (or Obama) then they need to refrain from claiming to be a “Christian”… they don’t even understand the concept.
    For those about to shoot their mouths off claiming that I am wrong….maybe a bit of Bible study is in order for you…please read it before shooting yourselves in the foot.

    I’m voting for Gary Johnson…don’t like it?…It sucks to be you!
    My conscience, my vote….deal with it. A vote for Gary Johnson is a vote “FOR” Gary Johnson…and it is a vote “Against” all other candidates…It is not a vote for Obama, Romney or anyone other than Gary Johnson….got it? If not…it stil sucks to be you… grow a brain and… with it!

    Best Wishes,

    • danny

      Average Joe, you say you are a Christian yet you are Violating the number one principal of Christianity . Judge not lest you be Judged. If a man and Mitt Romney is a man, who has confessed Jesus Christ as his Savior. Who are you Joe to Judge another mans servant. Just because of his church orientation. I disagree with a lot of Catholics. and of Church of Christ and Presbyterians. Should I judge them as non Christians also. “NO” it is not my place to Judge, but to believe that he who will confess the name of Jesus Christ before man as the Lord and Savior shall be saved.

      • Average Joe

        “Average Joe, you say you are a Christian yet you are Violating the number one principal of Christianity . ”

        Are you somehow implying that as a Christian, we are not allowed to form an opinion?…I only ask because that is what it appears to be happening in yourt post. I in no way condem these folks who “claim” to be Christians, that is entirely up to them to live as they please. However, if one claims to be one thing and lives in a manner that is in opposition to what they claim to be…then they are simply lying to themselves as well as others…and for me to point that out…is not being judgemental….it is simply pointing out the fallacy of their assertions. To say one thing while doing another…is hypocrisy…plain and simple.

        Hypocrisy is the state of promoting or administering virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that one does not actually have or is also guilty of violating. Hypocrisy often involves the deception of others and thus can be considered a kind of lie.

        In other words…practice what you preach…to do otherwise detracts from the message that you are trying to espouse.

        When it comes to God, you are either hot or cold…being luke warm is not an option.

        Revelation 3:16:
        “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”

        Best Wishes,

      • DaveH

        I agree with Joe, Danny. Few of you so-called Christians actually practice the morality that is taught in the Christian faiths. I’ve seen very few Christians who are as consistent in their morality as I am. And I’m an Atheist.
        It amazes me how many Christian Liberal Progressives can cast aside the Commandment “Thou Shalt Not Steal” when it comes to Government theft, and how many Christian Neoconservative Progressives can cast aside the Commandment “Thou Shalt Not Kill” when it comes to Government killing.

      • http://none Charlie

        Do you mean to tell us, that We can X out Acts 2:38 , John 3:5 , 1 Peter 3:21,,,from The Bible and just do John 3:16??? Who taught you that utter false prophet preacher nonsense ???
        What AJ said is his name ,,,the average Joe American only THINKS he’s a Christian, he cannot prove with Scripture that he is a Christian per ranking Man “””Contexts”””in The Bible… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

  • Flashy

    “People hearing my predictions must have thought I was stark raving mad…”

    No, correction is needed. Sane and reasonable patriots of this Nation KNOW you are stark raving mad …..

    So Mr. Root..since I made my predictions (with end numbers) early summer…want to book a) which of us is correct and b) who is closer in the final tally?

    • momo

      Flashy says: “No, correction is needed. Sane and reasonable patriots of this Nation KNOW you are stark raving mad …..”

      Another attempt at self description by the flashman.

      • eddie47d

        Do you really believe there will be a landslides MOMO?

      • momo

        @eddie47d, no I don’t, can’t make predictions either, if I could I would play the lottery. However, I do like pulling flashy’s chain!!!

    • DaveH

      For the sake of honesty, Flashman, how about giving us those numbers right now, so they will be fresh in our minds?

  • Toughr

    This election is about M.E.E. (military/economy/education) and where we will be after the next four years. Romney/Ryan hired for the future!!

  • Rev. John T. Campbell

    Speaking as an Ordained Christian Minister: “You are one sick Puppy!” God is Good, and by His Grace, Barack Obama will be re-elected for four more years to remain as our God Chosen President!! The Christian Right scares the absolute “Crap” out of me!! And, they would be the absolute worst thing to happen to our country and our world!! WAKE UP, BROTHER!!

    • Average Joe

      I thank God that I am not a member of “your” flock….since obviously you don’t understand God’s teachings. May God have mercy on your flock….they are being led straight to… He11 by you. Satan loves you, just as he does all misguided fools. Find the truth…or find a new occupation…clearly you are unfit for the job you were given.

      Best Wishes,

      • http://none Charlie

        Harmonize a bunch of Scripture to fix erroneous thinking , because , IF your thinking does not harmonize with basic Scripture,,,guess who’s wrong ???
        Many do NOT understand repentance… Most should be repenting daily or hourly for sinful thinking ,words or actions ,,, because,,, all are under attach of the Satanic forces .
        So, as a Christian ,Pray Matthew 6:9–13 at least daily and repent as often as needed…
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

      • Karolyn

        Wow, Joe! That’s a lot of nerve. Who the hell are you?

      • Average Joe

        Karolyn ,
        Wow Karolyn, who pulled your chain? I am not even allowed to be thankful to God, that “I” am not a member of his flock?…That was the crux of my message….I think he is deluded…that doesn’t involve you….that involves me….I think his views are wrongheaded…again, that doesn’t involve you…it involves me….and me alone. I fail to see your involvement in my personal view of someone else…who claims to be teaching the word of God… wrongly in my opinion. There are many people who proclaim to be Christians, however claiming something and being something can be miles apart in translation.

        Best Wishes,

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I don’t care what you claim to be because what followed out of your brain is pious B S.

      • eddie47d

        What flows out of Pat Robertson’s mouth is also pious B.S. yet he has thousands of followers. I don’t trust all right wing or even mainstream Christians who are very deceitful in spreading God’s word. In other words they don’t even come close to practicing what is preached by Jesus Christ.

      • Average Joe

        “What flows out of Pat Robertson’s mouth is also pious B.S. yet he has thousands of followers.”

        The problem lies not in what Pat Robertson or anyone else says…the problem is with those who listen to it and buy into it without question. In other words, the fault is with the “flock” ( for not doing their due dilligence) as much as with the person preaching the word of God. It still takes two to tango…the speaker…and…the listener…both are at fault.

        False Prophets

        The Redeemer warns all in Matt. 7:15,16
        “Beware of false prophets which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.”
        This warning would not have been given if there were no danger of sincere souls being mislead.
        Again in Matt. 24:11 the Author of the future warns,
        “Many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.”
        Here also it is abundantly evident that there is a strategy used by the powers of darkness to destroy souls. The Satan invented method is deception, people believing that they are secure and right when in reality they are lost and condemned to eternal death.

        Amazingly in Matt. 24:24 the Master reveals,
        “there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”
        One thing becomes very clear from this text, and that is miracles, great signs, and marvelous wonders are no sure evidence that the one performing them is truly of God!

        Jesus instructed that one of the ways we could discern between the genuine and false minister is by his fruits, which embraces his character, words, and deeds.
        Further, in Isa 8:20 God plainly says,
        “To the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”
        A minister or professed believer in God must speak and teach according to truth – the Word of God. If they teach errors or lies, the Word of God says, it is because there is no light in them.
        Jesus declared to the devil before the audience of the whole world in Matt 4:4,
        “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
        No teaching or command of God is unimportant or optional, to be obeyed or ignored based on what we desire to do or believe. The liberal Christianity in today’s professed Christian world is the brain child and lying deception of the Devil.

        Best Wishes,

      • eddie47d

        Thank you Average Joe for correcting me. Yes Pat has the right to say what he wants but its those darn sheeple who follow his every word.

      • Average Joe


        Just trying to put things into perspective….there are “Sheeple” in every group of people throughout the world….regardless of political, religious, sexual orientation, sex, race or ethnicity. To be more succinct….there are leaders, there are followers….and there are idiots ….born everyday.
        There are “yes men”, “no men” and those who question everything…I prefer to be the latter.

        No statement should be believed because it is made by an authority.
        Robert A. Heinlein

        Best Wishes,

    • Glen

      Redistribution of wealth, aka socialism is just theft by another name. The Christian Bible cites Jesus telling us to give to the poor – not to steal it first and then give it to the poor. There is little charity in having money forced from you to give to others. The merit is in giving it yourself, which I do by more than tithing. You say you are an ordained Christian minister. You need to go back to the book you supposedly preach from and preach the ENTIRE Word. Not just those parts that support your agenda. You will then be more credible and maybe even more blessed by the Almighty.

      • eddie47d

        That same thing has been said about Conservative Christians Glen where they cherry pick certain verses to enhance their point of view. I think Conservatives ignore the Beatitudes every chance they get and make a mockery out of it.

      • t.e.smith

        i wish you christian folks had refrained from theft hen you stole america, slaves, hawaii, texas, califorina,barbados etc.

    • Katy

      Some Christian you are. If you are truly a Christian you would not vote for Obama . He is not a Christian and he believes in killing unborn babies. It is a fact that those poor innocent fetuses are not part of the mothers body but they are a separate human being and have a right to live. What is wrong with you. God will punish you for voting for Obama . That is a fact.

      • eddie47d

        Ryan believes that rape victims have to bear the child and no exceptions. Some say rape is God’s will and a legitimate form of being fruitful and to multiply. Romney voters have their own cross to bear in being cold hearted and forcing their will on people. R-Martinez of N.M. says the rapist can get custody of the child if contested. That the victim has to garnish child support on her own and has to go directly to the rapist to get it. There are Republican legislators who want the legalization or right to kill abortion doctors . Both sides have extreme behavior but please don’t be so pious in thinking Conservative Christians are always right and can be as evil.

        • Tony Newbill

          One thing that we have not talked about is the not always making sure as a Government that we are enabling the society to be self reliant and that be a self determination inspired with Hope to be able to achieve and accomplish proving successful life , Liberty and pursuits of happiness will see a More Honorable Dignified society that inspires a set of values with respect for each others liberty is what we need to reduce the threat of Violence , and that is not created with entitlement programs gone wild because a wild society seems to be what we got with the entitlement policies so do we want more of that kind of evolution ???

      • tlgeer

        No, Katy, Obama does not, and never has, supported killing babies. The charge is more than ludicrous. What he did in Illinois was to NOT vote for bills that were already part of the law.

        • Tony Newbill

          Obama has a Voting record for Partial Birth Abortion Tigeer in Chicago

      • tlgeer

        “God will punish you for voting for Obama . That is a fact.”

        This is strictly between us and G-d. You have no say in it. You, also, don’t have the right to judge it.

      • JeffH

        Obama supports late-term abortions, born-alive abortions and sex-selection abortions.

        Obama’s own extremism on abortion come back to bite him?

        During a 2003 press conference, Barack Obama indicated that he thought abortion should be legal in all situations, even late in pregnancy:

        OBAMA: “I am pro-choice.”

        REPORTER: “In all situations including the late term thing?”

        OBAMA: “I am pro-choice. I believe that women make responsible choices and they know better than anybody the tragedy of a difficult pregnancy and I don’t think that it’s the government’s role to meddle in that choice.”

        When Obama opposed a bill to stop infanticide as a member of the Illinois legislature, he said he did so because it reportedly contained language that would have contravened the Roe v. Wade decision. However, documents uncovered during the 2008 election show Obama has misrepresented his position.

        In one interview, Obama said: “I voted no on the late-term abortion ban, not because I don’t recognize that these are painful issues but because I trust women to make these decisions.”

        Obama, as a member of the Illinois Senate, opposed a state version of the federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, a measure that would make sure babies who survive abortions are given proper medical care.

        It also protected babies who were “aborted” through a purposeful premature birth and left to die afterwards.

        On the federal level, pro-abortion groups withdrew their opposition to the bill after a section was added making sure it did not affect the status of legal abortions in the United States. Ultimately, the bill was approved on a unanimous voice vote with even leading pro-abortion lawmakers like Hillary Clinton and John Kerry backing it.

        Obama very likely supports sex-selection abortions. President Barack Obama appears to oppose the ban on sex-selection abortions that the House of Representatives debated yesterday and will be voting on today.

        ABC News White House correspondent Jake Tapper posted a new report indicating President Obama opposes the bill to prohibit performing or coercing abortions to eliminate unborn babies of an undesired sex. Tapper raised the question at Wednesday’s White House press briefing, but did not receive a respond to his question about Obama’s position.

        [...]White House deputy press secretary Jamie Smith told him in a statement: “The Administration opposes gender discrimination in all forms, but the end result of this legislation would be to subject doctors to criminal prosecution if they fail to determine the motivations behind a very personal and private decision. The government should not intrude in medical decisions or private family matters in this way.”

    • danny

      Well, Rev. John T Campbell. Considering you as a left wing Democrat, who believes in Homosexuality. Same sex Marriage, Baby Murders, Free rides for those who don’t work, and the acceptance of the Anti-Christ Muslim faith who proclaim God has no “Son”, and death to all Christians. Rev. John T. Campbell, ??? “Just What” are you the Reverend of Your “lord obama”.

      • eddie47d

        Rev. John never implied those things Danny but that would be like saying Romney supporters approve of killing abortion doctors (some do),the killing of Muslims (some do), the killing of homosexuals (some do). There are Christians who say “death to all Muslims” so what is the difference? Romney thinks the Middle East is our world to conquer and is willing to expand those current wars into new territory. No different than Obama or Bush. Killing of others seems to be a favorite pass time of Christians too even when it is not their country.

    • alpha-lemming

      “….. render, therefore, unto Caesar the things that are Caesars and grant unto God those things which are Gods”…

      And what happens when Caesar and God are the same guy???? Double billing????

    • tlgeer

      G-d made all things, including all of the religions. He doesn’t choose between his children, which means that G-d is not on someone’s side. That’s part of free will.

      • Frank Kahn

        The word is God not G-d. Are you afraid to type it? Why do you never spell it out properly?

        As for God creating all religions, I will have to check the book to see where he said that. I seem to remember something about self determination, free will to follow his word or not. By allowing man to create his own religion, is God creating it? Maybe it can be said that he is since he created man. Does he smile on all religions that man has created? We cannot judge that issue, but I doubt that every religion is following Gods word, which would make them against God.

        I disagree with some of Charlie (not freedom), interpretations of the scriptures but, he is right in that we must follow all the teachings of God for salvation.

        • tlgeer

          “The word is God not G-d. Are you afraid to type it? Why do you never spell it out properly?”

          lol Afraid to type it? No, it’s just that I have many Jewish friends who believe that it is wrong, so years ago I started spelling it the way that they did. After all, it hurts no one and honors their beliefs.

          ” but I doubt that every religion is following Gods word, which would make them against God.”

          Not exactly. I was raised in neighborhoods where the churches would send bus’s around and pick up anyone that wanted to go. So, I went to Sunday schools in pretty much every religion, except Judaism and Catholicism. Every single one of those Sunday schools taught the same things, without question.

          John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

          And, Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

          It wasn’t until we got to Church, instead of Sunday School, that the adults started making exemptions from them. Especially Mathew 7:1. Then it became Judge not unless you REALLY don’t like what someone else is doing.

          I’m sorry but that is not Christian behavior and I didn’t put up with the hypocritical behavior of these so-called Christians.

          I am of the opinion that G-d doesn’t care whether we get sprinkled or immersed, or get wet at all, in accepting his son as our savior. When you think about it, that’s pretty petty. So is deciding to honor a friends way of spelling the name of G-d because someone else does not like it.

          At the beginning of Genesis, it says that G-d made all things. That’s good enough for me. What some people do with it is up to them, but I believe that G-d does not take sides between his children.

          • Frank Kahn

            I have many Jewish friends, and none have told me of this way of spelling it.

            You included a quote from my post that seems incongruous or you might have misinterpreted it. When I said that some religions dont follow his words, I was not referring to you. I meant that there are some religions that dont accept Jesus as the son of God or savior for our sins. These people might have a different relationship with G-d (spelled for your benefit).

            And, yes, I have seen many people who dont seem to understand the command of not passing judgement on others.

          • tlgeer

            “These people might have a different relationship with G-d (spelled for your benefit).”
            :-) Thank you. I’ve been doing it so many years that it is now a habit.

            I believe that all the religions are attempting to describe G-d.

            Kind of like the 4 blind men and the elephant. Each one of them described something different, and they were all correct, but the elephant was much more than any of them could describe or feel. G-d is much more than any of us can describe, although we keep trying. That part is, I feel, faith that it IS G-d.

            Did I describe that alright? Was it clear?

          • Frank Kahn

            Your analogy is clear, I dont agree with it. I will let G-d decide if those other religions are or are not describing a part of him.

          • tlgeer

            ” I will let G-d decide if those other religions are or are not describing a part of him.”

            That’s all we can do.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Since you don’t or can’t answer questions about The Bible, We’ll ask again , are you a Christian? what Scripture did you use ? Meanwhile,……
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          Until you act and talk like a true Christian I am immune to your comments. If you will not accept the truth there is no hope for you. BTW respond to me.

  • barbara Milling

    It does’t make any difference who you vote for—It’s the big banks that own this county

    • momo

      Sadly that’s true.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So you better start figuring out how to get out from the banks clutches. Believing that O will set you free is pathetic.

    • http://none Charlie

      The Bible says King Jesus owns the earth,,,and ,, even The Constitution says God is Boss… We can point this out for you but first you have to point to some document to prove your comment … Meanwhile…………..
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • Carol

    And the Repub vote will be inspired by hate, bigotry, ignorance and the fringe.

    • Patriot

      No Carol, just common sense!

      • carrobin

        Yes, that’s what the Republicans call “common sense.” The rest of us call it selfishness and greed and sheer stupidity.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        carrabin, your Dems/Progs/Leftist use of language is purely subjective and is based on emotions and whims. There is no surety in your beliefs, “where the wind blows there carrabin goes” speaks of your beliefs.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Is that what you were told to write today. Rather repetitive and subjective use of limited words.

  • Patriot

    Here is my informal poll, the yard signs, vehicle stickers, etc. are 29 to 1 Romney and I live in Chicago. In 2008, all I saw was Obama signs. I predicted landslide, even with all the voter fraud, with all my friends a few weeks ago. There is a slight chance that Romney wins Illinois, you heard it here first!

  • Jim

    It amazes me how many people can ignore the plight of the last four years. Our deminished standing in the world and our growing problems with education,lose of freedoms, gasoline prices anlong with reliance on foreign feul amongst other problems that they could give this idiot another four years. He has done everything to change the subject from his past four year performance and doesn’t have a foot to stand on. Yet fools will blindly follow him still. America needs a wake up call and it need Mitt Romney!

    • eddie47d

      It was G Bush/Cheney who diminished our standing in the world and oil prices are not controlled by Obama . Neither were they by Bush or the possibility of a Romney administration. Considering there is more drilling for oil and gas production under Obama than businessman Bush your comment doesn’t pass the smell test. Bush is the one who brought us the No Child Left Behind Act which ended up leaving more children behind. G Bush set the standards with the Patriot Act so blame him for losing your civil rights or didn’t you think we’d notice?

      • Tony Newbill

        EDDIE47d I do declare you have a similar tone that JEFF had and we don’t see JEFF anymore debating here so who are you JEFF or EDDIE 47d ???

      • momo

        The drilling has been on private lands. Obama has cut the number of permits to drill on public lands in half. And yes Bush brought us the (un)Patriot Act, but Obama renewed it.

      • eddie47d

        Nice attempt Tony! I have only signed in with eddie47d except for one time when only the “e” came up. Sorry to disappoint you ! Was that deliberate for you or just a waste of my time?

    • DaveH

      There is only one current Presidential Candidate who has the knowledge and will to lead us towards Freedom, and he’s not Romney or Obama:

      • Steve

        Have another Joint man, it will make it all go away.

      • DaveH

        Well then, Steve, don’t be stingy. Pass it this way.

  • Flops

    Oh, great … the “Christians” are going to help elect Romney, who will further the power of Wall Street, further erode the middle class and hitch this nation’s wagon even more closely to Israel and its extremist policies that enrage the entire Muslim world, and ban the teaching of evolution in school in favor of Creationism. “Yay” for the Christians!

    • danny

      Flops , good choice for a name or is it your political title

    • DaveH

      Both Republicans and Democrats (for at least the last 100 years) have been aiding the Bankers and other Crony Capitalists in the takeover of our country by the Elite Progressives.
      You need to do some reading, Flops, and awake to reality.
      Start here:

      • DaveH
      • DaveH
      • t.e.smith

        you have spoken the truth, VOTE GREEN the only non corporate party

      • DaveH

        Surely you kid? Ralph Nader flat out lied on TV when stumping against Prop 13 in California.
        Have you heard of Solyndra? or Evergreen Solar? or Spectrawatt?
        The Environmentalists are all about Power, Control, and Crony Capitalism. They are playing the Liberal Progressive Followers for fools.
        Politicians are by nature generally corrupt. The only way we can stop that is to wake people up to the realization that as Government Grows, Corruption Flows. We need to get Government out of our Marketplaces so the consumers once again become king, instead of the corrupt Politicians.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Those are the same threats the Dems/Progs/Leftists have been using to scare the feeble minded and gullible populace to vote Democrat.

  • tom holmes

    christians electing a non christian president? it will not happen. mitt thinks everyone is from the planet kolob

    • tlgeer

      “God will punish you for voting for Obama . That is a fact.”

      Mormon’s are Christian. It’s a fact. You don’t have to like it.

  • Cene Papanicolaou

    My sentiments exactly. I also predict a landslide- although I don’t have credentials as a pollster or odds maker- The writing is on the wall. The curtain was drawn back & the great & terrible Oz is a shadowy, inept fraud & finally soccer moms woke up across this great land.

  • Deerinwater

    What kind of Christian?

  • carrobin

    If “Christians” elect Romney, I’m going to Tibet and becoming a Buddhist.

    • danny

      carrobin, Do you need some help with your airfare. If you will take obummer with you i’m sure we can get you major donations.

      • DaveH

        Why? He can party all over the world now, without any donations.

      • Paul Wells

        I’ll chip in to help. carrobin should take everyone that feels like she does with her, they don’t benefit our country in any material way anyhow. Just note: the tickets are ONE-WAY!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Make sure you do it, otherwise you are nothing more than a liar.
      I am having a hard time picturing you stomping your foot and saying “so there” as a temper throwing kiddo.

  • Katy

    Romney is more Christian than most. He has lots of Christian

    • Average Joe

      We’re all ears…..

  • tlgeer

    “My polls are my gut instincts. ”

    Which are worth exactly nothing. You have, as you have stated, no facts to back up your “gut instincts”

    What I want to know is – what are you going to do and say when Obama is re-elected?

    • danny

      tlgeer, If obama is reelected I am going to say God have mercy on the Citisens of America. For the destruction has came to visit us for four more years. So I now say, God Father have mercy on America in the name of Jesus and deliver us from the hand of the fowler satan, who has used the hand of obama to degrade and destroy our Christian nation and its values.

    • eddie47d

      Oh Danny Boy the pipes the pipes are calling you! The destructive practices were brought to us by our crony capitalist system and somewhat from Washington itself. Neither is credible and both have become dangerous. Do you pray for the redemption and souls of those who work on Wall Street and in Corporate boardrooms? If not then what you say is idle chatter!

      • Tony Newbill

        Eddie47d Stalin and Bolsheviks are smiling at you comrade !

      • eddie47d

        Never have liked Stalin and his butchering and starving to death of 30 million of his countries people. So up yours little pony boy!

  • ChuckS

    I think polls are biased to influence elections. Close to the election, they have to be somewhat accurate, or they look bad. This year – and maybe previous years, I think they made it look good for Obama early to try to influence early voting, besides the general influence.

  • brett

    this from a guy who made his bones off of others’ vices. i wish you guys would shake off the hypnosis you’ve been under and realize that “private” and ” entrepreneurs” meant corporations. many who suffered from sandy will be grateful for federal disaster relief funds because the private sector that romney speaks so fondly of is all ready denying insurance coverage because they don’t cover flood and are not recognizing sandy as a hurricane because is was down graded when it hit land. for the last time, we are not a capitalistic economy any more than china is communist. neither work when so much capital (wealth) is pooled into small concentrations. social democracy (emphasis on democracy) is not the same as socialism (which is an antiquated notion that has never been implemented nor ever could be so there is no reason to fear it!). finally, this country was founded on the idea of freedom and respect for all beliefs (or lack there of) and the protection from any one over an other (freedom of and from religion)(i will not quote thomas jefferson no any other founding father on this again, you are more than welcome to look it up your self!). open you minds, investigate on your own using independent and primary sources, stop believing everything somebody else told you only because you happen to agree ( the more you disagree is all the more reason to investigate further, not shut off with “agree to disagree” pansy ass crap!). good luck and may god help us all (and i do mean all because we are all god’s children and we are all in this together)!

  • Cindy Vanosdale

    I agree with the ad! He is right on because christian women are very offended at Obama and his campaign strategies! Obama is turning this country into a Marxist Govt. and it is frightening!! People who vote for Obama must either agree with his policies or just too clueless to know his true hidden agenda? The sad fact is the majority of Americans want freedom, less govt. control, less regulations etc… even most democrats; but the fact is we have not seen the secret side of what Obama will do with the power of implementing executive orders, appointing czars, destroying our constitution!! We Americans who just want to live free, go to work to a nice job, not take on a second job just to put gas in our car, have a future for our kids, will be forced to live under the socialization of an Obama administration! That is why the Christians are on the move to get out and vote! We as women do not want our tax dollars paying for birth control, abortions, panels from the govt. telling us what doctors we can see. Shoving Obama care down the American peoples throat is an insult to our intelligence! I am very educated and want good schools for our children but I will make that choice not the govt. I am so very angry at the state of our economy as it effects groceries, gas, housing prices etc… Big govt.-Socialism never works!! Capitalism does work!! If the blue states want Socialism leave America!!; most countries in the world have it and it stinks!! Don’t let Obama and his failing policies take the greatest country in the world down the drain as it is currently headed! Wake up America vote for Romney and a free America to get us back on the right track for freedom!!

    • tlgeer

      “his true hidden agenda?

      If it is hidden how do you know about it?

      As for the women’s issues, you have the right to speak only for yourself. Nobody else.

    • eddie47d

      Great political speech Cindy! May I remind you of what Thomas Jefferson said: “The end of Democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of Lending Institutions and Moneyed Incorporation’s”. That is exactly what we experienced in the 1980′s,in 2000 and in 2007. Romney copied those same practices and achieved his wealth by those manipulative ways. That hardly makes Romney a blessing to this nation who has his own sinister agenda.

      • DaveH

        You are aiding and abetting them, Eddie, with your advocation of Big Government.

      • eddie47d

        I can live with limited government Dave H as long as you reign in the excesses of the crony capitalists.

      • DaveH

        Duh, Eddie, they can’t be Crony Capitalists without the aid of their Crony Politicians. We shrink Government, get it out of our Marketplaces, and the Crony Capitalism dies naturally.

      • eddie47d

        That is a big maybe Dave H and not at all a fact!

  • wayne root

    To “Tigeer”

    You are the very definition of a progressive Democrat. You have no facts…you choose to not read or watch my full commentary, then claim that I have no facts.

    My entire commentary was backed up by facts. Gallop proves early voting gives Romney a 7-point lead versus 4 years ago when Obama had a 15-point lead in early voting. My gut instincts turn out to be on the money.

    A 22 point turnaround. And the difference is so easy to see- Obama’s election 4 years ago was based on hope and hype (as in B.S.). Now he has a RECORD to defend- and it’s indefensible. His record is fact. It proves he’s either a marxist, or incompetent, or both.

    Maybe you didn’t see that Gallop has also backed up my gut instinct about the makeup of the electorate. Democrats outnumbered Republicans 4 years ago by 8 points. Today Republicans outnumber Democrats for first time in history. Obama has a big problem!

    Or perhaps you missed the Battleground BI-PARTISAN poll that just made it’s final prediction: Romney wins by 5 points.

    My gut instincts are in fact backed up by scientific research and polling.

    However the only fact that counts is the final tally on election day.

    You can criticize me next week…or slink away in shock.

    Next week we’ll talk concrete facts.



    • tlgeer

      You’re correct, we will see next week. And I don’t slink away. If I’m wrong I’ll admit I’m wrong.

      And I don’t watch your video’s, as opposed to what you write, because I have hearing problems. If what you say in your video’s is the same thing that you say in your text, then there is no problem, is there?

      Gut instinct means nothing. It’s just a gamblers term. And those that go by it usually end up losing their shirt (and a lot more). Just as the stock market is gambling.

      Polls can be slanted, in various ways, to reflect whatever the people who decide what the questions to be. The one that I look at is for the electoral college –

      It is easy to read at a glance, and you get a good idea of what the likely outcome will be. Do I rely on it? No, of course not.

      Of course we can make all of the predictions that we want to make. Until it is over everything is up for grabs. Remember “Dewey Wins”? I was taught about that in school, and you are younger than I am, so I suppose that you were, too. But it’s good thing to remember.

      • DaveH

        TLGeer says — “Gut instinct means nothing. It’s just a gamblers term. And those that go by it usually end up losing their shirt (and a lot more). Just as the stock market is gambling”.
        The stock market is “gambling” only to those who won’t do the necessary homework, TLGeer.

        • tlgeer

          “The stock market is “gambling” only to those who won’t do the necessary homework, TLGeer.”

          Nope. Sorry. The stock market is, and always has been, gambling. You take your money, buy a stock that you think will go up and that you will make money off of by selling it.

          The value of stocks goes up or down with the perception of whether that stock is worth buying or selling, and how much is bought or sold on any given day. And if, like for instance Enron, the stock tanks you can lose every single dollar that you have invested.

          That is called gambling.

          • Tony Newbill

            Tigeer the Stock market will only grow when the food supply is growing faster than population growth demands , look at this chart and see that every time we had stagnate growth conflicts in the world were due to resource supply shortages , and when there was Growth food supply was also expanding .

          • Tony Newbill

            Tigeer stagnate growth in Grain for the last 10 years while 1 billion more people added to the planet is why the Faith in stock market M1 bond holders is gone from the market in 2008 and why the Governments of the world are the only ones left in the economies ….hummm , Time to Isolate and take care of ourselves don’t ya think ??? .

      • DaveH

        TLGeer says — “If I’m wrong I’ll admit I’m wrong”.
        Pardon me if I have a little difficulty believing that, TL.

      • DaveH

        As demonstrated by your circular reasoning, TLGeer, it would indeed be Gambling for you.

      • Frank Kahn

        Your statement that GUT INSTINCT is just something gamblers use is blatantly wrong. It would only be true if every person alive is a gambler.

        True “gut instinct” is a natural part of self preservation. It is even a part of the fight or flight nature of all animals.

        If you have a bad feeling about getting on an airplane, so you delay your trip, that is a gut instinct.

        If the plane crashes and everyone on it is killed it is called a premonition.

        A gut instinct might be caused by many things, and they just are telling you “dont do that” or “this is wrong” or “do it quick” but it is usually a good idea to listen to your gut instincts. If you are a mother you have probably acted on gut instinct with your children before.

        Now, are the things I described in any way a form of gambling?

      • DaveH

        By buying stocks, the average citizen takes part in determining which Capital Investments will prevail in the future and which will go the way of the buggy-whip. And if they chose wisely, they share in the profit of those investments.
        By buying stocks, the average citizen helps to build the Capital Stock (Plants, equipment, etc.) of our country which is responsible for the great productivity that results from such investment. You know, TLGeer, Productivity, that thing that Liberal Progressives benefit from but are always trying to tear down.

  • Manuel

    There is no way a real True Conservative Southern Christian will vote for Romney who if you have not noticed is a non Christian Mormon.

    Maybe some RINOS, (Republicans In Name Only) will plug their noses and vote forMormon Power Mitt

    This is the 4th election in a row that the Republicons have offered up nobodies to Run for the Oval Office

    And let’s not kid ourselves George Bush Jr had to pull some string to weasel his way in not once but twice!!

    • Paul Wells

      So, Manuel…you are saying you’d rather put a narcissistic socialist dictator in the White House for another four years with less than mediocre job growth, a massive health care program that will sink our ship financially, and run the debt even higher? I have to wonder what kind of “Christian” wants that?

    • Katy

      Romney is more Christian than Obama. Obama is a Muslem. Romney has Christian values!

      • JohnR

        Both candidates are Christians. To say otherwise, is either fully uninformed, stupid, and/or hate speech.

      • eddie47d

        Romney worships at the alter of Corporatocracy and always has and yes he is still a Christian. Worships money more than God! Obama was a Muslim and now is a Christian although a rather weak one. Obama tries not to take sides on the issue of religion and Romney loves to exploit his Faith when making speeches. Romney makes his Christian faith political while Obama wants Americans to live their own lives as they choose.

        • JohnR

          Oh come on: Obama was raised as a Christian, has never been a Muslim. Though I did hear that he and Michelle worship MAGATISHITUTU, goddess of perfect paper cups and beautiful, fine-fitting designer sunglasses, in the middle of the Oval Office on that cool seal of the Office of the President of the United States.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        JohnR, it appears that you have no idea what a “Christian” is. O is definitely not. Did you know that Marxism/Fascism/Leftism is also a religion?

        • JohnR

          Dear Nadzieja Batki:

          I don’t think I have the time to decipher your obscure thoughts. Nor am I enjoying your bent toward personal attack, rather than a discussion of issues and opinion about this ELECTION. Please don’t respond any further to anything I’ve written.

      • tlgeer

        “Obama is a Muslem.”

        Obama is a Christian. Repeating the lie that he isn’t doesn’t make it so.

      • Average Joe

        JohnR ,

        You say:

        “To say otherwise, is either fully uninformed, stupid, and/or hate speech.”

        followed by:

        “Nor am I enjoying your bent toward personal attack, ”

        So, in your first post, you make personal attacks against anyone who questions your beliefs (judgemental much?) and then fein indignity when no such personal attack was even waged upon you (hypocrite much?)

        Her exact quote was: “JohnR, it appears that you have no idea what a “Christian” is.”

        Sometimes, appearances can be decieving, however, in this case….I believe she was spot on….you appear to be cluless on the subject at hand.

        While it is admirable to talk to the talk…..We will all be judged…on our actions…not simply our words. The sooner you figure out that piece of the puzzle…the better off you’ll be. When you are “Reborn”…you stop acting and thinking the way you used to do….
        You can’t sin all week long…run to church on Sunday..and expect everything to be hunky-dorie…it doesn’t work that way.

        Talk is cheap…and Actions do speak much louder…

        Best Wishes,

        • JohnR

          Dearest Average Joe:

          There are no “personal attacks”, “beliefs”, “judgemental (sic)”, or “indignity” involved in the brief post of mine that you reference. To say that Obama is a Muslim is indeed, objectively not true, or, if you wish, a lie. So, the person who again tells this tired lie is either uninformed, or willfully engendering dog whistle hate speech. Or something in between. Whichever it is, though it has become tiresome in its venality, I charitably give the writer the face-saving “out” of being “uninformed” – no strike, no foul. And my comment is about the rhetoric, not the person writing it. You seem to be confusing the two.

          In your admonition of me, in a stream of consciousness manner, you insult and lecture me. You appear to slip into another, unrelated post in which I am defending myself against a personal attack by calling it improper. I am pretty sure that you call me a sinful hypocrite, which is baseless. There are some other things about me being “cluless (sic)” about “what a ‘Christian’ is”, being judged upon one’s actions, and “Reborn”. WTF? How, exactly, is it that you know me? The little I’ve written here reveals nothing about character, and certainly nothing about moral character.

          Each of your little snippets seems to be related to the previous one, and I intend to be building some thought. As best I can follow, your conclusion, because it comes at the end, is “Talk is cheap…and Actions do speak much louder”. Sure. However, I would point out that this is a blog, in which we are anonymous to each other, and know each other ONLY by words. And thank goodness for that.

        • JohnR

          Dearest Average Joe (again):

          I was just able to see the post by Nadzieja Batki to which I replied, in part, “Nor am I enjoying your bent toward personal attack”. It is, indeed, unrelated to the post that calls Obama a Muslim. That you tie the two together is an exceptionally odd reach. Plus, as I was asking a third party to stop attacking me, it is of high irony that you take it upon yourself to step in between and attack me. Especially since you have no idea what the underlying issue was. That is rich and bemusing. And not in a good way.

      • Average Joe


        You say:

        “To say that Obama is a Muslim is indeed, objectively not true, or, if you wish, a lie. So, the person who again tells this tired lie is either uninformed, or willfully engendering dog whistle hate speech. ‘

        While it is nice that you have an opinion about Obama’s religious upbringging, simply having an opinion does not make it a truism.
        Where is your proof that what you claim is true…is actually true? You’ve givien an opinion, but you have failed to back up those assertions with verifiable data.
        Before you tell me, “he goes to church”, I will remind you that I have been to the circus and it doesn’t make me a tightrope performer, I’ve been to the zoo as well and it doesn’t make me a Girraffe. Simply showing up for something…doesn’t make you a card carrying member….period. The man was raised in Kenya, primary religion: Islam/Muslim, as well as Indonesia, primary religion: Islam/Muslim. His father’s faith: Islam’Muslim. Try using that thing on your shoulders for something other than a hatrack.
        If you are going to argue your case…bring verifiable facts to the table…otherwise you are simply blowing smoke up your own backside. You offer an opinion and nothing more…and without proof…it will remain an opinion.

        Best Wishes,

  • millie

    I pray that Mitt wins, I do not trust obama and his failed policies, if he is relected their will be more jobs loses and more people on foodstamps. obama is a socialist and he will not want to leave and is capable of changing the laws to 3rd and 4rd terms by throwing out the consitution and replacing them with excutives orders. To get this man out of the white house is going to be a bitch. He will not leave quietly, and morons that are ill informed will vote this communist in to stay forever, why do you think that he and hillary that traitor are working with UN to take away our guns,. and some of these morons are only voting because he is black, never mind that this incompetent president is bringing this country down with his stupidity. By the time these useful idiots wake up, we the citizens will be screwed by a illegal man who had no right to be president. If I made a couple of useful idiots mad, too [comment has been edited] bad. A vote for obama is a vote for communist country.

    • eddie47d

      I will not call you any names Millie like you do to me or others but Obama will not go beyond a second term. Your fears are unwarranted and he may not even get a second term so chill out in your lies.

      • JeffH

        eddie says “I will not call you any names Millie like you do to me or others”

        Anyone want to bet that eddie just told another lie?

      • eddie47d

        That means that Jeff also says that Obama will have a third term if he wins this one. I don’t bet even though this would be a sure thing for me to win. I guess we’ll find out in 6 days or 4 years! Bring in the clowns…. no… Millie and Jeff are already here!

      • JeffH

        eddie says ” I don’t bet even though this would be a sure thing for me to win.” …then says “guess we’ll find out in 6 days or 4 years! Bring in the clowns…. no… Millie and Jeff are already here!”

        Despite your incesant babbling you just lied…good thing you’re not a betting man.

      • eddie47d

        No wonder you are so confused about your own lying Jeff when you say someone else is when they aren’t.

      • JeffH

        eddie, this one’s for you.

        Stupid is as stupid does!

        Just because you say it doesn’t mean it true…especially that it has been repeatedly proven over a long period of time that you, eddie, are a liar. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…provide some proof to back it up.

        I know you can’t and you know you can’t, heck, just about everyone knows you can’t…you have no credibility on this website for a reason eddie, you’re a liar…as someone pointed out in an earlier post…all you’ve got is a Big Mouth and you don’t back anything up…all talk, no action, and cheap talk at that!

        • Richard

          What a bunch of phoney, stupid bunch of people who call themselves Christians. You people give Christians a bad name, plus your arguments are weak and you have totally bought into the fraudulent system you believe will make a difference in our lives. You couldn’t see your hand if it was shoved in your face. Hopeless.

          • JohnR

            I’m new to this website; to keep up, I must skim or skip the posts that are jamming my inbox. You have many posts; I’ve read a few that are, IMHO, notably intelligent and interesting. Example: I just forwarded the JFK speech to my genius sister.

            Then, there are posts like this one. Are you becoming frustrated, best efforts slaughtered by stupidity? “Low-information voter” is the nice way of saying moron?

            Yeah, sure, but calling people “phoney”, “stupid”, “hopeless”, and spewing nothing but insults – as you do here – does…what? Don’t answer that. Sometimes I need to do something else for awhile, or just forget about replying to a comment – the analog to “taking a couple of deep breaths”. So, while I don’t know you, I think I get what you’re up against.

            So, please try to keep the faith, impart thought and information to those low-information scenes. I try to do this. A quick story: I used to be what you, if you’re old enough, would have once called a moderate Republican. Today, not so much. I’ve read a lot during this election season, and compiled facts, analyses, and opinion pieces. My background predisposes me to favor facts, statistics, and factual, tightly-reasoned arguments.

            I haven’t read enough yet to know much about your political views. So, atypically, I’m just sending some of the factual stuff that has informed my decision to vote for…yikes…Obama. Seriously. Let’s not talk about our corrupt best-corporatocracy-that-money-can-buy, or broad social/economic/political problems just yet. By end-of-day next Tuesday, I must either vote for a slate of candidates/measures, or not. Don’t like any of the candidates? Tough. Pick one. Or be an irresponsible, lazy slob, politically speaking. Like it or not, it is our present reality.

            Unfortunately, the GOP ended up with a BAD ticket. Maybe, with some work, we’ll do better in 2016. R/R distort, tell half-truths, and just outright lie. Yesterday and today, they have doubled down on their “Jeep is going to China” lie. That one is so bad that the CEO’s of GM and Chrysler have taken the extraordinary step of issuing strongly-worded statements of condemnation. Wow. The mendacity of “Mendacious Mitt” by itself disqualifies the ticket for me. Whatever we can pin on Obama, scoring by, et al, indicates that whether R/R win or lose, they’ve already got the Deception Sweepstakes locked up. By a wide margin.

            If you’re uber-rich, yeah, sure, vote for Romney, the country be damned. But I’ll assume you’re part of our shrinking, struggling middle class. Romney will GUT us; how can 99% people vote against “we, the people”? WHERE is this 99% craziness coming from? It’s LUNACY!

            Whatever your stance, please read – at least glance at – the following articles that I’ve taken the time to search out, review, and assemble. At least look at the 8-1/2-minute video in (5). And/or do your own search. Romney’s policies are scary, dangerous, devoid of numbers or mathematically impossible, and/or hopelessly regressive; this summarizes why I can’t vote for him. Again, let’s hope we have a better GOP ticket in 2016. Excellent candidates from ~3-4 viable parties would be nice, too.

            (1) In “Romney wants to destroy the middle class to save it”, dated 10/13/12, in the “Daily Koz” at


            the author says “Obama could be better here, certainly, but Romney would be disastrous…Romney’s said it plain and clear: we’ve too many firefighters and teachers and goodness knows what else, because these things cost money and the rich won’t suffer themselves to be taxed to pay for it.”

            (2) A single, right-now, illuminating story: Have you heard of Sensata? In “Here Is What Is Happening With Sensata “, dated 10/15/12, in “Huff Post Business” at


            you’ll find out that Sensata Produces sensors and controls for manufacturers in the automotive, appliance, aircraft, industrial and HVAC markets. “Right now this company is moving equipment out of a factory in Freeport, Il, and shipping it to China. They are making the workers there train their Chinese replacements. And at the end of the year they are laying off the American workers.”

            When training started, the American flag was taken down. It hasn’t gone back up – management claims the rope is broken. Several years ago, Bain Capital bought Sensata; the company made ~$1M profit last year. But Bain wants more, so it’s off to China. I’ve heard a couple of the US employees on the radio. Talk about conflicted, difficult personal tradgedies. How would you feel?

            Mitt’s a sharp guy. He CREATED the modern Private Equity (PE) model at Bain; now all PE companies use it. He’s a superb salesman with a good, perhaps excellent, head for finance and management consulting. Does that qualify him to run a business, large to small, or run a government? I have been a successful engineering consultant to Fortune 100 corporations, and a successful entrepreneur. I say nope, and experts say the same. Sensata is what Mitt knows how to do.

            Big business loves Mitt, is investing big in his campaign. They expect him to further expedite their capture of the Federal Government. Too much regulation? That’s corporate-speak for “Let us do whatever the hell we want”. Overburdening, useless regulation? Obama has slowly, quietly been removing bad regulations on business. Beyond that, think “Wall Street, October, 2008″. The huge, and potentially tragic, irony here is that, at this moment of fragile economic recovery, this is exactly the wrong, Wrong, WRONG M.O. for stoking the recovery, while simultaneously correcting our structural ills. Instead, the PE model, and rising corporatocracy, will, combined with the GOP model of capital formation, exasperate our underlying problems. But, hold on – I’m getting into (3) through (6) ahead.

            “Romney (Bain’s founder) refuses to even meet with Sensata workers.” Why should he? Remember, this is happening RIGHT NOW – the gall! To see just how bad Romney is with this deal, please see “One number shows how ridiculous Mitt Romney’s Sensata pension attack against Obama is” at


            (3) Please see “Bushonomics on Steroids: Romney’s Tax Plan Is Still Severely Impossible”, dated 10/19/12, in “The Atlantic” at


            This article shows, without getting too technical, that you and I – and the deficit – are screwed beyond belief by Romney’s so-called plan.

            (4) You’ll find a short, less quantitative, more qualitative piece in “The American Prospect”, posted back on 8/3/12, titled “Romney’s Cruel Joke on the Middle Class” at


            which concludes “Romney is peddling a sham plan that does nothing for the economy and nothing for ordinary people. Instead, it drains our shared resources, and diverts them to ‘job creators’—the privileged elite that has jettisoned any and all concern for the public good.”

            — (5)-(7) Finally, please see two brief references that I believe every voter – across the political spectrum – should see, plus a third optional article:

            (5) Please view a short video, posted 10/7/12, on “YouTube” at


            The video is entertaining, yet packed full of valid, important statistics. It is titled “American Economy 2012 Crime Scene”; I would have titled it something like “The Big Picture: What Ails the Country, and How to Fix It”. It was created by a 74-year old retired scientist and modern renaissance man; I’ve corresponded with him, and he strikes me as a very intelligent guy who has no particular axe to grind. I was surprised by the ending, and the case it makes is pretty tight. It changed my politics.

            (6) I am well aware that the “New York Times” tends to the left. However, whatever your political bent, I suggest that everyone read the 10/27/12 “New York Times” editorial that comes out in support of Obama at


            I’ve done a lot of reading, especially right wing thought. I’ve somewhat reluctantly come down, in this election, to favor the lesser of two evils. IMHO, the Times evaluation is broader and more balanced than the others I’ve seen. Should you read the Times, and still vote for Romney, you will at least have a better idea of just what exactly you’re supporting, sans rhetoric, and the dangers involved.

            (7) The final read is “Obama’s Squandered Advantages” by Frank Bruni in the “New York Times”, posted on 10/27/12 at


            What I’ve read in the past from Mr. Bruni was quite critical of Obama; you’ll find that Bruni isn’t Obama’s best buddy in this article, either.

            Thank you for taking the time to go through this long account. There are thousands of excellent reference materials out there awaiting your search as November sixth draws near.

    • JohnR

      Whenever I read that Obama is a Socialist or a Communist, I wonder in disbelief. Instead of your unsupported and extreme opinion, let’s talk facts and well-supported opinion by nonpartisan experts. They say that Obama loves capitalism. Don’t think so? In the spirit of friendship and good civic life, I wish to suggest you read two articles:

      (1) the 5/31/12 Times magazine on-line Business and Money article at

      that says

      “Romney has…described the Obama presidency as a ‘debt-and-spending inferno’. This is overheated election-year nonsense. President Obama is pushing back at the Romney claim that leadership at private-equity firm Bain Capital has taught him how jobs are created, and that a President’s stewardship of the economy consists mainly of maximizing profits for investors. But he is not arguing against capitalism.”

      The article says that Obama needed to become more vocal in support of business. He did that, including several tax cuts for small business.

      Then read

      (2) a direct and complete analysis of Obama versus Romney’s prescriptions for an improved capitalistic business climate in this country, an excellent, nonpartisan (it’s from the UK) 7/21/12 article in TheGuardian that concludes

      “The Fox News charge that this (Obama’s desire for public/private innovation) is socialism is bewildering and dangerous nonsense. Anglo-American capitalism, mired in debt, low investment and out-innovated by its competitors in Asia and Germany, is at a crossroads. What is clearer than ever is that the conservatives’ response is dumb. If Obama and the Democrats can beat them in the US it will have global ramifications – a chance to recognize what really makes good capitalism work. At last, it is game on.”

      Are you getting all your news from crazy extremists like Rush et al at Faux News? They are, um, lying to you. Please read the full TheGuardian article at

    • tlgeer

      “if he is relected their will be more jobs loses and more people on foodstamps.”

      If there are job loss’s then there will be more people on food stamps. One follows the other. However, our economy is picking up, so I don’t see it tanking very soon.

      “obama is a socialist”

      Obama is a Democrat, not a socialist. And he is a very middle of the road Democrat.

      “and he will not want to leave and is capable of changing the laws to 3rd and 4rd terms by throwing out the consitution and replacing them with excutives orders.”

      This confirms, pretty conclusively, that you have no idea how our Government is set up. The President can not serve more than 2 4-year terms. Can not. Not even by issuing an Executive Order.

      “To get this man out of the white house is going to be a bitch. He will not leave quietly, and morons that are ill informed will vote this communist in to stay forever”

      He is not a communist, either. He is a Democrat. Wanting him to be something else doesn’t mean that he is. What facts do you have (fear is not a fact) do you have that Obama does not mean to leave the office of the President after 4 more years (assuming that he is re-elected) or that he won’t leave quietly?

      “why do you think that he and hillary that traitor are working with UN to take away our guns”

      They are not. Try reading the actual Agenda 21 instead of listening to talk radio, or where ever you are getting this misinformation.

      “and some of these morons are only voting because he is black”

      While there may be a few people stupid enough to do so, the majority of people don’t. There are stupid people who will not vote for him because he is black. But the majority don’t.

      “never mind that this incompetent president is bringing this country down with his stupidity.”

      In what way, exactly, do you believe that Obama is incompetent? You do know that Obama graduated from Columbia with a degree in Political Science and from Harvard with a Law degree, don’t you? That he taught, for 12 years, Constitutional Law? How is this being incompetent?

      “By the time these useful idiots wake up, we the citizens will be screwed by a illegal man who had no right to be president.”

      Here’s the real problem.

      For whatever reason (it is certainly not based on facts), you have chosen to not accept the mountainous amount of documents that state that Obama was born in Hawaii and that he is a natural born citizen. What reason do you have for that?

  • JohnR

    Hello Mr. Root:

    I’m a new reader; IMHO, you write well, and I appreciate the elements of truth in your statements of original- and genuine-sounding opinion. Unfortunately, your conclusions are not based on the facts, nor objective analysis of them.

    I wish the GOP had a better ticket. I wish Romney was at least honest, didn’t continue to distort and lie. I wish the GOP and R/R platform wasn’t a total disaster-in-waiting for the country, specifically our weakened and shrinking middle class. I wish we had a few dozen Eisenhower Republicans that I could support. Maybe the GOP will do better in 2016. But, here, I’m just stating MY subjective opinions.

    MORE OPINIONS: I’m disappointed with Obama, but the facts suggest that Obama has done pretty well in his first term. I will vote for Obama, by default, as the lesser of two evils. For everyone in the middle class, and below, to do otherwise, is LUNACY. Talk about voting against your own interests, voting for the destructive and dangerous R/R duo is unmitigated craziness.

    FACTS & OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS: I could recount the analysis that leads me to reluctantly support Obama. But I’ll spare you the blah-blah-blah here. Instead, a suggestion: I think you realize better than most that there are a lot of false assertions and arguments flying around in this election. In the spirit of your superb journalism, I strongly urge you and your readers to Google/Bing/DuckDuckGo/whatever! is good, and there are many other websites that will tell you the truth. I was recently blown away by an entertaining 8-1/2-minute video, “American Economy 2012 Crime Scene” at

    This was created by a terrifically smart 74-year old scientist, academic, and modern renaissance man, a guy with no axe to grind – other than finding, and illustrating, what is important in this election. I was particularly surprised by the ending, and the extremely well-supported logic that gets you there. It changed my politics. See what you think. Thank you.

    • Frank Kahn

      Most of the points made sound surprisingly close to what Romney said. The only major difference was in raising the base tax rate on the wealthy.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        How and why did King Jesus pay his taxes ??? it’s in The Book that has ALL real law in it…. Meanwhile……….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          If you have something intelligent to say, I am listening otherwise not so much

  • Sailor

    Ehem…it works like this. Take a dump at home and drop it on any liberal newspaper…then, sit afar from it and try to discuss anything with it….what? no answers, just bull[expletive deleted]? well, my friends, that is a liberal in action…no action at all and smells like [expletive deleted].

    Simple enough? ship all those [expletive deleted] to Russia. I am sure they will love them; in particular, the African American ones…oh yes…To Russia with Love…. heheheheheh

    • Fleur diLis

      I couldn’t agree with you more.

      Obama has been the very WORST thing for the US. He needs to be indicted for treason and capital murder of Amb. Chris Stevens and embassorial employees. What a cold, calculating Communist he is!

      Impeachment is too weak for someone of this calibre.

      He and his ilk should be tried, found guilty and put so far back in the tombs of Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary, they wouldn’t see daylight for a mile.

      Anyone who would vote for O., after four years of his political joyride, ought to accompany them all!

    • Average Joe

      How to metaphorically bury a Progressive/Liberal

      1) Invite the Progressive/Liberal on your radio show,TV show or blog site.

      2) Hand them a shovel

      3) Watch/Listen

      4) Applaud.

      5) Make sure you get the shovel back.

      Best Wishes,

    • JohnR

      Reprise from your postpended comment:

      I find the intelligent discussion of issues is enlightening. When I read personal insults and attacks, I greatly devalue anything said; a little voice in the back of my head says “This is not a Christian way to talk”.

      Your comment here stereotypically addresses worthless lib’s, then ices your shabby cake with racism. Ironically, you are commenting on an article that references Christian behavior. Shame on you.

    • eddie47d

      I’ve been listening to their relentless slander for over 3 years John and their echo chamber is getting rather noisy to say the least. The BS bounces off the walls so fast it smacks them in the face and gives them head damage. Fleur’s comment is classic hate and ignorance but its always okay when a Republican official dances in the dark. That would be any terrible foreign political mistakes but Fleur doesn’t grasp that.

  • Sailor

    Did I leave anything out? oh, yes, wipe your asses of course…and mail the remains as a letter to the Omagot….

    • JohnR

      I find the intelligent discussion of issues is enlightening. When I read personal insults and attacks, I greatly devalue anything said; a little voice in the back of my head says “This is not a Christian way to talk”.

      Your comment here stereotypically addresses worthless lib’s, then ices your shabby cake with racism. Ironically, you are commenting on an article that references Christian behavior. Shame on you.

  • theresa

    i am a christian and my church of 12,000.00 is voting for Obama and my relative in north and south carolina will be voting for obama. he is on the right track and he will bring our country back. bush mess it up and obama with put it back together.

    • Paul Wells

      Well, let’s take a look at results, theresa…
      Obama said 4 years ago he’d have unemployment back down to 6% – FAIL
      Obama said 4 years ago he’d close Guantanamo – FAIL
      Obama said 4 years ago he’d have televised coverage (CSPAN) on health care debates and involve people from both sides of the aisle – FAIL
      I could go on, but why don’t you and your church of 12,000 take a hard look at whether Mr. Obama has demonstrated any Christian traits at all that would give you hope that the next 4 years would be better than the last? Hmm?

    • Fleur diLis

      You, your family and your church are all bigoted idiots. How much of your church’s offerings each week are from welfare monies and food stamps?

      How “iggorant” are you?

      You can’t even write a proper, grammatically correct sentence! We don’t need more like you and yours….we need SMART, educated people who can think critically, make good decisions and not be dumbed down by racist ways.

      I don’t know what kind of church you go to but I’m sure glad I don’t go there and drink racist, Communistic Kool-aid as communion wine!

      I’m praying that Romney wins BIG and does a big inventory of just who is deserving of welfare and foodstamps in the US. Should he do this (and I know you and yours are very afraid of losing your good thang) it will cull the lazy out of the herd and DROP the cost of welfare so significantly that we may not have a need for it at all!

      • JohnR

        I find the intelligent discussion of issues is enlightening. When I read personal insults and attacks, I greatly devalue anything said; a little voice in the back of my head says “This is not a Christian way to talk”.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        JohnR, what is the “christian way of talking”? We should use “Pious Cliches” that don’t mean anything. Should we use church voices so you would be happy but that won’t make you happy because you are nothing else but a fault finder and a scold.
        Quite a few posters are not “Christians” so your outrage is pointless.

        • JohnR

          To the contrary, I said that one should discuss issues, not lob personal attacks. That you here subvert what I said, and use the forum to launch just such a personal attack, indicates a weakness in cognitive processes. And bad manners.

          And, btw, I’m hardly pious. In fact, I’m an axe murderer! My car trunk is full of dead babies!! LOL!!!

          • Katy

            Well good luck with that! Voting libertarian is like voting for Obama. We need to get Obama out of office.

          • JohnR

            Dear God, Katy, no. If you’re super-rich, yeah, sure, vote for Romney, the country be damned. But I’ll assume you’re part of our shrinking, struggling middle class. Romney will GUT us; how can you vote against “we, the people”? WHERE is this craziness coming from? It’s LUNACY!

            Please, Katy (and other readers), read – at least glance at – the following articles that I’ve taken the time to Google. At least look at the 8-1/2-minute video in (5). And/or do your own search. Romney’s policies are scary and dangerous, and this is why I can’t vote for him. Let’s hope we have a better GOP ticket in 2016.

            (1) In “Romney wants to destroy the middle class to save it” in the “Daily Koz” at


            the author says “Obama could be better here, certainly, but Romney would be disastrous…Romney’s said it plain and clear: we’ve too many firefighters and teachers and goodness knows what else, because these things cost money and the rich won’t suffer themselves to be taxed to pay for it.”

            (2) Have you heard of Sensata? In “Here Is What Is Happening With Sensata ” in “Huff Post Business” at


            you’ll find out that Sensata Produces sensors and controls for manufacturers in the automotive, appliance, aircraft, industrial and HVAC markets. “Right now this company is moving equipment out of a factory in Freeport, Il. and shipping it to China. They are making the workers there train their Chinese replacements. And at the end of the year they are laying off the American workers.”

            When training started, the American flag was taken down. It hasn’t gone back up – management claims the rope is broken. Several years ago, Bain Capital bought Sensata; the company made ~$1M profit last year. But Bain wants more, so it’s off to China.

            “Romney (Bain’s founder) refuses to even meet with Sensata workers.” Why should he? Remember, this happening RIGHT NOW – the gall! To see just how bad Romney is with this deal, please see “One number shows how ridiculous Mitt Romney’s Sensata pension attack against Obama is” at


            (3) Please see “Bushonomics on Steroids: Romney’s Tax Plan Is Still Severely Impossible” in “The Atlantic” at


            This article shows, without getting too technical, that you and I – and the deficit – are screwed beyond belief by Romney’s so-called plan.

            (4) You’ll find a short, more qualitative piece in “The American Prospect”, back on 8/3/12, titled “Romney’s Cruel Joke on the Middle Class” at


            which concludes “Romney is peddling a sham plan that does nothing for the economy and nothing for ordinary people. Instead, it drains our shared resources, and diverts them to ‘job creators’—the privileged elite that has jettisoned any and all concern for the public good.”

            — Finally, please see two brief references that I believe every voter – across the political spectrum – should see, plus a third optional article:

            (5) Please view a short video on “YouTube” at


            The video is entertaining, yet packed full of valid, important statistics. It is titled “American Economy 2012 Crime Scene”; I would have titled it something like “The Big Picture: What Ails the Country, and How to Fix It”. It was created by a 74-year old retired scientist and modern renaissance man; I’ve corresponded with him, and he strikes me as a very intelligent guy who has no particular axe to grind. I was surprised by the ending, and the case it makes is pretty tight. It changed my politics.

            (6) I am well aware that the “New York Times” tends to the left. However, whatever your political bent, I suggest that everyone read the 10/27/12 “New York Times” editorial that comes out in support of Obama at


            I’ve done a lot of reading, especially right wing thought. I’ve somewhat reluctantly come down, in this election, to favor the lesser of two evils. IMHO, the Times evaluation is broader and more balanced than the others I’ve seen. Should you read the Times, and still vote for Romney, you will at least have a better idea of just what exactly you’re supporting, sans rhetoric, and the dangers involved.

            (7) The final read is “Obama’s Squandered Advantages”, by Frank Bruni in the “New York Times” on 10/27/12 at


            What I’ve read in the past from Mr. Bruni was quite critical of Obama; you’ll find that Bruni isn’t Obama’s best buddy in this article, either.

            Thank you for taking the time to go through this long essay.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So you have a church of 12,000.00 dollars. Big whoop.

  • Fleur diLis

    John R.
    Being a Christian certainly doesn’t mean you have to be stupid. I really don’t give a damn what you think. You are so obviously an Obama voter that anything you might weakly say intimidates me not!

    I’m quite weary of wusses like you…and you really are a wuss, John. Maybe even a sissy-boy, of which we Conservatives are sick of.

    Go plant your ivy somwhere else, Fauntleroy, we’re ALL sick of you and yours.

    Romney/Ryan 2012. For a MUCH better America!

    • JohnR

      You’re talking to me? Really? Apparently, I wasn’t clear: I’m asking fair-minded, thinking individuals to look at a decent, entertaining, brief analysis, not write to/about me.

      btw, I am NOT a Dem, or a “Libby”. So, I am particularly insulted by your inaccurate, base flurry of insults. It looks like you packed in as many as you possibly could without exerting much effort. Just couldn’t stop it, this garbage just rolled right out of your brain, huh? And then…what? You have nothing of value to say – NOTHING TO SAY, at all, in fact. Other than ill-mannered, wrongly-directed, juvenile invective.

      So, dear readers, who is the “stupid…weak(ly)…wuss…sissy-boy…you and yours” here?

      Fleur diLis: I am not “obviously an Obama voter” (oh so scary, scary awful). I AM voting for Obama – I said so! Reluctantly. And I only brought it up in the interest of full disclosure. That’s about honesty, as opposed to being a “wuss”.

      Your post adds to my worry about today’s GOP. I’m an Eisenhower Republican – Google it if you don’t know what that means – and if you’re all we’ve got in the Conservative base, God help us all.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So you are stuck in a rut that was Eisenhower Republicanism. Things were no better in the good old days no matter what you say. If things were so good then we shouldn’t be having the political problems we are having now.
        Sowing mixed seeds of politics by Dems or Republicans we ended up with more weeds than wheat. We spend our time praying for crop failures.

        • JohnR

          WTF? Being an Eisenhower Republican doesn’t mean one wants to go back to the ’50′s! It means we want guys/gals who think, ponder, discuss, and solve problems. As opposed to our 7%-approval, obstructionist Congress. We want to hear a discussion of issues in this campaign, rather than 100% negative ads, and lies and mudslinging. Good God, educate yourself before you say something else stupid.

      • eddie47d

        You’ll get use to Fleurs sharp tongue and open hatred John. Nothing new around here. They give a whole new outlook to Christian Conservatives and it isn’t pretty!

  • http://Yahoo Peter Barney

    Real christians will for vote for Mitt and Paul!



  • richard

    I’m a Christian, and I’m not falling for these lies. I DID NOT and will not vote for either Romney or Obama. Quit selling such tripe to us American Christians. This nation is under judgement and both candidates are picked by the evil behind the scenes who control both parties. Wake up!!!!!! You are part of the problem of not being discerning.

    • JohnR

      Excellent point, thank you. But, given the reality that next Tuesday we will pick a guy to both lead our corrupt bureaucracy, as well as lead the free world, are you suggesting we sit on our hands? How is that responsible Christian action? Waking up and being discerning, not being part of the problem means…what?

      • Frank Kahn

        Wake up and dont be a part of the problem, JohnR, means dont vote for Obama either. His policies and actions do not foment a better situation, it might not employ the exact same tactics as Romney but it does not help either.

        I cannot support Romney because of his failure to be clear, concise and consistent on his stance on current economic and foreign policy.

        I also cannot support Obama because he lies, if not constantly, way to often.

        I guess it comes down to who lies more, hard to pin that one down, so why try. If you cant trust a person, dont vote for them.

        I won’t get into a pissing contest with you, I wont call names to slight your intelligence, I will not agree with your opinion. I consider Obama to be incompetent to handle our economy and I feel his actions with regard to foreign relations is bad. that is my opinion

    • nickkin

      Not voting at all or for Romney, makes you the independent that approves of a christian-hating, muslum treason destined foreigner, meaning obama…..4 dead, cover-ups and abortion funding by all Americans whether they approve or not..Think again about voting.

  • Really…Romney…Really?

    We’ve seen the day now that people are actually cheerleading for Mitt Romney for President. This goes to show you how really screwed up our system is, that a rich, complete douche in every respect, can buy power and popularity. I don’t care how bad Obama has done, why is your answer to him Mitt Romney??? Let’s replace one phony with a bigger one! You all are fools, surrendering your votes to someone who doesn’t even have your interests and few remaining freedoms in mind. I am voting Libertarian, because the only future I will vote for is one that is not attached to the corruption and abuse of power and politics we see today. Go ahead, vote the lesser of 2 evils and continue on with demise of our country and planet. Good luck with that, at least I’ll be able to say I wasn’t a part of it.

    • nickkin

      Oh really….you are part of it whether you like it or not….you belong to the IGNORANT PARTY. yOU HAvE 2 CHOICES….Be an isolationist and put a picket fence around your property and think you’ll be safe or move to another country…maybe Greece.

  • Terry Bateman

    Is America better off now than when Barack Obama was sworn in 4 years ago?.
    Yes. Let me explain:

    1. The economy was losing 800,000 jobs per month then and is gaining 80,000
    jobs per month now.
    2. The economic crisis caused by the Community Reinvestment Act of 1997
    forcing banks to give subprime mortgage loans threatened our capitalist
    system.then. Now it is over thanks to massive Keynesian macronomics by
    Obama’s fed and treasury which prevented catastrophic deflation.
    3.Housing starts, sales, and prices are going up now and increasing. 4 years
    ago the opposite was true.
    4.Auto manufacturing and sales and jobs are on a long-term expansion now.
    4 years ago two major U.S. automakers where slouching to bankruptcy.
    5.The Obama Administration is deporting record numbers of criminal illegal
    aliens every year.
    6.The U.S. has record numbers of border patrol officers eguipped with the
    best gear and technology in history and illegal crossings are at an all time low.
    7.4 years ago over 100,000 U.S. troops were in Iraq. Now they are home.
    8.4 years ago Osama Bin Ladin was alive. Now he is dead.
    9.President Bush spent $2,4 trillion invading two Muslim countries that posed
    no security threat to the U.S. at all. President Obama is codifying and
    proceduring permanent anti terrorist policies to protect the U.S. from terrorists
    using drones and the military and the CIA all coordinated by the executive
    branch of the government.
    10.Hurricane Katrina victms got no help from the federal government when they
    most needed it. Hurriicane Sandy victims have already seen boots on the
    ground delivering ready to eat meals and helping in other ways. If you
    don’t believe me as the governors of New Jersey and New York.

    For the first time in 36 years, I will vote for a Democrat for president.
    I will vote for Obama, and I think you should too.

    • Average Joe

      And you base your “Facts” on what? Please, site your sources. Also, while in the process of siting your sources…consider your sources…because we will also consider those sources……

      Terry, I believe that you’ve taken the Bait…man……be careful of the springloaded trap attached…it’s a real killer…..OK…go ahead and tug on the cheese……
      Some people are gullible…who woulda thunk?

      Best wishes,

      • eddie47d

        He did give facts Joe and why didn’t you demand sources from Fleur and Sailor above who were weak in knowledge? You replied so I believe you agreed with them.

      • Average Joe


        So now I’m guilty by association (even though I didn’t associate)?

        There are many comments made here that I don’t respond to…whether I agree with them or not.
        Responding or not responding to Fleur and Sailor , does not imply that I agree or disagre with them in any stretch of the immagination. It simply means that I didn’t feel it was worth responding to (for whatever reason).
        It’s not as if TB was replying to either of them…his was a statement of it’s own….and I felt like replying. That being said, my reply was to TB and not to you. If TB wishes to defend his statement or rebutt my assertions, he is free to do so…and quite frankly doesn’t concern you …in any way,shape or form….as usual…..

        Sometimes, posts just don’t peak my interest enough to reply to and other times I agree with the post…and still other times a post is just too ludicrous to respond to.
        Stop assuming what other’s motives…may or may not be….sometimes there are no motives.

        Best Wishes,

      • Terry Bateman

        If you read the papers, Average Joe, you would be aware of the facts behind my

        Terry Bateman

      • Karolyn

        Joe – How about sources you see and hear with your own eyes? Housing sales here where I live are up. There is a new housing boom in Charlotte and not enogh contractors to handle it, since so many went out of business. After five years with no employment want ads in the local paper, they are starting to appear. Freighliner in NC laid workers orr – to build a longer assembly line for the increased work that they have. Instead of focusing on gloom and doom, why not look for good news wherever you can find it.

      • http://none Claire

        Karolyn: They don’t WANT to hear good news. They want doom and gloom throughout the entire country.

      • Average Joe

        Terry Bateman,

        Do you believe everything you read or hear? I realize that for many of you folks, simply reading it in the newspaper or TV makes it true. You do realize of course that the media has an agenda of their own …right? It’s called profits…through advertizing dollars. Advertizers don’t tend to spend their money in places that don’t hold their views…that affects what views get put out for public consumption. You also realize that the Federal Government controls licensing for all media outlets…right? As such….if the media strays from the path of government propaganda…they will lose thier licenses and therefore…be unable to do business. Unless you personally have posession of the “Books”, you can’t possibly know the true state of the economy…you only have what was served to you by the Government and the media….AKA….Heresay.Numbers and books can be manipulated (cooked) to show any result that the owner wishes to convey….and the recipient of the news…won’t know the difference. Stop being gullible and unthinking…..

        I ask for sources and get…more of the same…who woulda thunk?


        You say:
        “Housing sales here where I live are up. There is a new housing boom in Charlotte and not enogh contractors to handle it, since so many went out of business.”

        First, I don’t live in your area…and the prices are not up in my area…I am a land Surveyor by trade…prices are down and still no one is buying…there are no other jobs to support new people moving into the area.

        While it is nice that they are building like crazy where you live…I see a new bubble emerging in your neck of the woods. What happens when all of those houses are built and people move in? What other jobs are being created to employ all of those new people?
        Remember, when the housing is built…there will be no more construction jobs…..which means a replay of what we just went through. jobs must be created….before trying to build and sell….not the other way around. But, hey, you say it’s getting better….mmmmmmmk, you are free to believe that…don’t let me rain on your parade.

        Best Wishes,

  • AE Mas

    Christians I hope are praying for direction in their choice – not listening to proselytizers, preachers or anyone but their heart and their relationship with God. That said. I did that. My issue is war. Period. End the wars now. NOT later. Legalizing – sick people do not need the stress of being busted by the Fed on top of their conditions. And making America economically balanced…. Gary Johnson and Jim Gray all the way.

    • Average Joe

      AE Mas,

      I am with you 100%. Although I have been and am a Ron Paul supporter, I fully respect his decision to retire from office and not run as an independent candidate. I will now place my support , firmly behind :

      Gary Johnson/Jim Gray….in it to win it!

      Best Wishes,

      • Terry Bateman

        Average Joe: My sources are as follows: The Economist, Financial Times, Washington Post, Investors Business Daily, Forbes, Newsmax, Wall Street Journal, the internet,
        history, and reality. What are your sources? Ron Paul? Show us from your sources
        that the economy is still losing 800,000 jobs a month, that Osama Bin Ladin is still
        alive, that U.S. oil and gas production is not at record levels, that the housing market
        is still sinking, that George Bush did not spend 2.4 trillion dollars in Irag and Afghanistan
        that the state of the union is not a lot better than it was when Obama was sworn in.
        Ron Paul talks about reduced government spending. Obama reduced spending on
        a major entitlement program by $700 Billion (Medicare). Republicans talk about
        sealing the border and deporting illegal aliens. Obama has more Border Patrol agents than ever in history and is deporting record numbers of criminal illegal aliens. You
        are taking the smoke Republicans are blowing hook, line, and sinker.

        Terry Bateman

        • Frank Kahn

          Can you explain the meaning of the phrase “deporting record numbers of criminal illegal aliens”.

          If you do something illegal it is a crime, therefore, if you are an illegal alien you are a criminal.

          To make the distinction that the “crime” of coming here illegally is not a consideration, and only crimes committed after that fact can be used in the definition is an attempt to manipulate reality (lie).

          If you have 1 million ILLEGAL aliens, and you only deport 1 thousand who committed a crime under that definition, you are only deporting 1/1000 of the criminal illegal aliens.

          If you are using that bad definition, and Obama has DEPORTED more criminal illegal aliens than anyone else then you might be saying that he DEPORTS instead of PROSECUTING and IMPRISONING them.

          While that reduces the financial burden of incarceration for us, it does not prove a greater, or better stance on deporting illegal aliens.

          Nor does amnesty solve the illegal alien problem.


          Problem statement: Murder is bad for our country, It causes hardship and misery for its citizens.

          Supporting facts: 50 thousand Americans are murdered each year, leaving thousands of families without loved ones and often losing the person who provides the financial support of the family. 1/3 of the people responsible are arrested, charged and convicted of murder, costing the citizens millions of dollars in prosecution and detention of the criminals.

          Solution: We will deport all people convicted of murder and give amnesty to all people who committed murder but were not convicted. And from this day forward we will not attempt to identify and prosecute any further instances of murder. In fact, if the person who committed the murder has a college degree, or has served in the military, we will declare them to be good citizens and absolve them of any crimes, related to murder, they may have committed.


          Now, my example is extreme and the actual numbers are fictional, but I hope you would agree that the problem stated can not and should not have the proposed solution executed to eliminate the actual original problem.

          DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS, just like you should prosecute ALL PEOPLE WHO MURDER. If someone wants to immigrate to this country, let them go through the process of attaining a Visa to do it legally. If people dont want to go to prison for murder, dont kill anyone.

      • Average Joe

        “What are your sources?”
        Where are my sources for what? Yes, I read your long winded list of questions…the problem is…I never said any of those things. Do you have a reading comprehension problem…or are you just overly immaginative? Nowhere in my posts will you find that which you’ve posted…nowhere.

        I simply pointed out that you were making assertions…with absolutely nothing to back up those assertions. I asked for sources…you give me rhetoric. Finally, you give me a list of magazines and newspapers….minus any specifics, links to articles…nothing . Simply saying that you read this mag or that paper…means nothing unless it can be verified…there are after all, many “issues” to be gone through in order to find “your info”…and then all would have to be verified through other sources ( unlike you, I don’t just read an article and take it as truth…I attempt to verify that what was written is true or not…before rendering my opinion). You on the other hand appear to believe whatever you read…without question.
        Yes, I know, they can’t lie in a magazine or newspaper…cause I read that in a magazine….Let me know how your date goes…with your “French Model” that you met on the internet….”Bone-jur” (Yes, I am saying that you appear to be….gullible).
        You say:
        “Obama reduced spending ona (sic) major entitlement program by $700 Billion (Medicare).”

        You do realize that when you take money from one program and put it into another program, that it is not a reduction in spending….since the money is still being spent on the other program…your reasoning and thought processes are more than slightly off kilter…they are totally out of whack….. somewhere out in left field.
        Your report card:
        Does not play well with others
        Does not follow directions
        Makes up stories in an attempt to redirect his own failings onto someone else…to make himself look intelligent (not working)
        Fails in reading comprehension.


    • Nadzieja Batki

      End the war? Which one exactly? Your comment tells that what you are spouting pious B S, as the Bible consistently tells us that there will be wars throughout our time period till Messiah comes and puts an end to them and even then he will use force.

      • Average Joe

        Nadzieja Batki,

        I believe that AE mas is advocating…bringing our troops home from all over the world and stop being the police(Wo)men of the world. To stop being the aggressors and thugs of the world. The same principles advocated by Ron Paul….and a sound princple it is.

        Best Wishes,

  • Louis Lemieux

    What really matters to Americans isn’t the latest poll or gaffe — it’s how our votes will affect our families, our communities, and our planet. That’s why I’m voting Obama. Some Muslim friends of mine are more Christian in their daily lives than others who were born and raised in Christian families. “Do not judge a book by its cover.“

  • Letitia

    Your niche should be science fiction. If these readers follow your desperate “power of suggestion” grasping at straws, smoke & mirrors, wishful thinking they are cuckoo. Haven’t you heard honey. . . Once you go Black you never go back. Forward!

  • http://NotAvailable Philip A. Sandi

    President Obama is a christian and Christians will vote for him. He believes that Jesus Christ is God and has added nothing to the Bible. Stop this racist thing and please get prepared for another four more years of our beloved president by the grace of God.

    • Lawrence

      Obama’s actions belie him being a christian. He is in the terrorist camp along with all muslims.

      • eddie47d

        Do you Conservatives lie for practice or is it the real deal? Barf!

    • Frank Kahn

      First of all, it is God who will determine if Obama is, as you say, a Christian.

      To be a true Christian requires many things, not just that he has not added anything to the bible. You also cannot take anything away from it.

      It is actually one of the Ten Commandments, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, this one is hard for all presidents but especially problematical for Obama.

      I cannot cite, nor provide links, his support for abortion. If however he does support this, it is in direct violation of that commandment.

      If Obama is in fact approving and directing surgical kill drone strikes against terrorists, that is again a violation.

      THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS (lie), I hope you will not attempt to argue against the fact that Obama fails in this one also.

      Just the recent attack on the US compound in Libya is a prime example. He had massive sources of information proving it was a planned military style terrorist attack within 48 hours. He continued to imply that it was actually a demonstration over some video for two weeks.

      Now, considering that he has broken two of Gods laws, is he a true Christian?

      • Richard

        You need to find out and research the gold ring that Obama is wearing and what it says in Arabic. Christians are being very misled, inside and outside the church.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Where is the Scripture ? Don’t know Scripture ? Well ? Meanwhile………………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          I dont have to enumerate the scripture for you or anyone else chuckles

  • Lawrence

    Are you sure there will be an election? We have 5 days for Obama to cause or invent a crisis to postpone elections indefinatly.


    “Wayne Allyn Root,”

    YES – ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS WILL HELP “President-Elect” Mitt Romney.





  • Irene

    I am a Christian, and will vote for President Obama. Romney has threatened to curtail programs that feed the hungry, care for the poor, and care for the sick. And by the way, President Obama happens to be Christian too, although I would never require that a candidate pass a religious test to win my vote. Morality is more important than religious affiliation.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      I suspect that you, Irene and Mary Hale, are not Christians. By the way Liberalism is also a religion and you both may want to admit to that. Your own words give you away.

      • Karolyn

        Who do you think you are, Nadzieja, telling people that they are not what they say they are? You really have a lot of nerve or have esp, like so many of those of your like mind.

      • http://none Claire

        Karolyn: I agree with you. I know several true and honest Christians. They don’t have one nasty word in their vocabulary nor do they treat others shamefully or hatefully.

        • JohnR

          So, if someone offers their reasonable and logical political views, it’s not OK to denigrate them by first calling them a liar, and them condemning them for their sincere personal opinions? Huh?

  • Mary Hale

    I am a Christian and there is no way I would vote for Romney. He is a mormon, doesn’t believe in our bible, only the book of mormon which was written by the founder of the mormon faith.Biggest reasons are he will say one thing to one group then another thing to another group. says what he thinks they want to hear. Flips all the time. Then he bought up big company’s and shipped them to China, Mexico and other countries where he could get cheaper labor, made a lot of money that way. Didn’t care the the materials and work was better in the USA, and the people he put out of work. As he said when thought he was not going to be over heard “I don’t care about the other 47 per cent. These are a few of my reasons for not voting for him. President Obama was raised in the 47 per cent and know’s how hard we have to work , cares about all the people.

    • No faith in government

      Hi Mary ~

      I understand your personal feelings, but this election is about COUNTRY FIRST. Do you agree. If you do, then you cannot allow Obama to remain as president. He will destroy our country since he will be unchecked and unfettered. Is this the country you want to live in? We can all practice our religion and devotion to God, but look at the character between the two men. Do you want Obama to lie to you everyday. Would you allow your spouse to lie to you everyday and still stay with him? Mary, please, this is for the survival of our country. You will not see Romney push a religious Mormon agenda. Lastly, Billy Graham has endorsing Romney and is asking all Christians to vote for him, because Billy Graham knows the country is at peril.

      • Mary Hale

        Hi no faith in government. Leaving faith aside.Do you really want some one that says one thing then the next day say he is against it. Flip flopping. Do really want some one who took company’s out of this country and jobs away so he could make more money with them in another country with cheap labor. These are facts not what President Obama said. Look up Brian the company he was ahead of..

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Mary Hale, you are repeating the Democrat/Leftist talking points and you are expecting us to believe what you are saying.

      • eddie47d

        No Faith: Billy did not endorse Romney but said to vote for the one with the best Christian principles. That could mean Romney but was not a direct endorsement.,

      • JohnR

        Hey there No faith in government:

        (1) Didn’t Jesus say something about “Render unto Caesar…”?

        And (2) since our first settlers were fleeing state-sponsored religious persecution, weren’t our Founding Fathers, while mostly theists – some were atheists – adamant about the separation of church and state?

        And (3) isn’t it extremely probable that Billy Graham has no Political Science degree, no experience in government at any level, and has held no recent, extensive dialogue with politicians, bureaucrats, think tanks, lobbyists, or other interested parties at the national level?

        If (1) through (3) are true, than doesn’t it stand to reason that one should not follow Dr. Graham’s endorsement of a candidate any more than that of, say, your grocer, baker, or candlestick maker? Even if they are really smart and well-informed grocers, bakers, and candlestick makers?

      • JohnR

        Golly No faith in government:

        I don’t have enough time to reply to ALL your unsupported misstatements. Have you heard the phrase “mendacious Mitt”? No? Well, as regards the Presidential campaign, in the distortion/half-truth/outright lie (DHTOL) sweepstakes, Mitt and Paul are WAY out ahead. Win or lose the office, they have a lock on the DHTOL sweepstakes. Don’t take my word for it. Please see, and/or some of the other nonpartisan on-line fact checkers for the objective truth – which is that R/R and truth are almost totally immiscible.

      • JohnR

        To Mary Hale:

        Please don’t feel too bad about Nadzieja Batki. She/he appears to either have (1) a dim ability to distinguish between sincere personal opinions and rhetorical talking points by the big spin machines, or (2) she/he just likes attacking people, even on very tenuous grounds. Did it to me a couple of times. If it gets to be too much, I would imagine we can find a site moderator to intervene.

      • DaveH

        Nadzieja Batki says — “Mary Hale, you are repeating the Democrat/Leftist talking points and you are expecting us to believe what you are saying”.

        Then JohnR says — “she/he just likes attacking people, even on very tenuous grounds. Did it to me a couple of times. If it gets to be too much, I would imagine we can find a site moderator to intervene”.

        Wow. I’m horrified by Nad’s “attack”. Call the police!

    • DaveH

      Mary says — “He [Romney] is a mormon, doesn’t believe in our bible, only the book of mormon which was written by the founder of the mormon faith”.
      No Romney Lover myself, I say, Mary, before you start spreading misinformation, it is a very simple thing to do some checking before you comment. Like here:

    • JohnR

      To: Nadzieja Batki, DaveH, Irene, Mary Hale, No faith in government

      Hello Commenters:

      Below, I’ve drawn seven logically sequential excerpts from related threads in which we participated yesterday. The excerpts are linked by the minimum language possible. I do include a couple of editorial notes in the links, and enough description to make it as easy as possible for you to recall the relationships between the posts. This added language is enclosed by brackets – “[" and "]“. This was the first day on this blog for me. I’m creating this post so you can see an example of the bemusing and sometimes perplexing diversion of threads away from our primary topic which, as a newbie, I saw frequently throughout the day.

      —-FIRST POST OF SEVEN (1/7):

      Irene says:
      November 1, 2012 at 1:34 pm

      I am a Christian, and will vote for President Obama…

      [Irene explains her rationale in voting for Obama.]

      —-SECOND POST OF SEVEN (2/7):

      Mary Hale says:
      November 1, 2012 at 1:40 pm

      I am a Christian and there is no way I would vote for Romney…

      [Mary Hale explains her rationale in voting for Obama.]

      —-THIRD POST OF SEVEN: (3/7)

      No faith in government says:
      November 1, 2012 at 2:16 pm

      Hi Mary ~

      I understand your personal feelings…

      [No faith in government replies to Mary Hale with a friendly, courteous exposition supporting Romney as the better candidate.]

      —-FOURTH POST OF SEVEN (4/7):

      Nadzieja Batki says:
      November 1, 2012 at 5:12 pm

      I suspect that you, Irene and Mary Hale, are not Christians. By the way Liberalism is also a religion and you both may want to admit to that. Your own words give you away.

      [Nadzieja Batki states her suspicion that Irene and Mary Hale are non-Christian Liberals who have inadvertently "exposed" themselves, and suggests they might wish to admit their "guilt". She also states that this Liberalism is a religion in the traditional sense. The context surrounding this statement would appear to suggest that this "religion of Liberalism", at least in this instance, either contradicts, supplants, and/or perhaps displaces Christianity. This stops the previous discussion of the candidates' relative merits by Irene, Mary Hale, and No faith in government, and replaces it with this challenge to Irene's and Mary Hale's religious affiliation. Perhaps it is noteworthy that Irene, in post (1/7), and Mary Hale, in post (2/7), stated that they would vote for Obama. The candidate discussion is not later restored in this thread.]

      —-FIFTH POST OF SEVEN (5/7):

      Nadzieja Batki says:
      November 1, 2012 at 5:14 pm

      Mary Hale, you are repeating the Democrat/Leftist talking points and you are expecting us to believe what you are saying.

      [Two minutes after her previous post, Nadzieja Batki adds an accusation that Mary Hale parroted mainstream leftist rhetoric in post (2/7), rather than writing her own original thoughts and/or reasoning.]

      —-SIXTH POST OF SEVEN (6/7):

      JohnR says:
      November 1, 2012 at 7:00 pm

      To Mary Hale:

      Please don’t feel too bad about Nadzieja Batki. She/he appears to either have (1) a dim ability to distinguish between sincere personal opinions and rhetorical talking points by the big spin machines, or (2) she/he just likes attacking people, even on very tenuous grounds. Did it to me a couple of times. If it gets to be too much, I would imagine we can find a site moderator to intervene.

      [I tell Mary Hale that I've been the subject of posts similar in approach and tone to posts (4/7) and (5/7) from Nadzieja Batki. I offer the opinion that Nadzieja Batki is not able to distinguish well between original thoughts and/or reasoning, and mainstream rhetoric. In this, I hoped to encourage Mary Hale to re-establish the candidate discussion thread, and added that it was probable that a site moderator could intervene, if necessary, so as to help Mary Hale feel "safe" to express her opinions.]

      —-SEVENTH POST OF SEVEN (7/7):

      DaveH says:
      November 2, 2012 at 12:24 am

      Nadzieja Batki says — “Mary Hale, you are repeating the Democrat/Leftist talking points and you are expecting us to believe what you are saying”.

      Then JohnR says — “she/he just likes attacking people, even on very tenuous grounds. Did it to me a couple of times. If it gets to be too much, I would imagine we can find a site moderator to intervene”.

      Wow. I’m horrified by Nad’s “attack”. Call the police!

      [DaveH restates the complete post (5/7), and partially restates post (6/7). This is because post (6/7) reflects upon post (5/7). The partial restatement of post (6/7) alters it's meaning, and makes it more harsh by removing a conjunctive phrase of equal, but more sympathetic, weight. This makes post (6/7) better fit the single construct of this post, which is to denigrate post (6/7) with sarcasm.]

  • michael a.

    excellent analysis, Wayne, and I can only pray you are right. You give this president too much credit-he is a Marxist AND incompetent.

    • JohnR

      Hi michael a:

      Obama a Marxist? Socialist, maybe? Nah, look it up: Obama loves capitalism. Don’t think so? In the spirit of friendship and good civic life, I wish to suggest you read (a) the 5/31/12 Times magazine on-line Business and Money article at

      that says

      “Romney has…described the Obama presidency as a ‘debt-and-spending inferno’. This is overheated election-year nonsense. President Obama is pushing back at the Romney claim that leadership at private-equity firm Bain Capital has taught him how jobs are created, and that a President’s stewardship of the economy consists mainly of maximizing profits for investors. But he is not arguing against capitalism.”

      The article said Obama needed to become more vocal in support of business. He did that, including tax cuts for small business.

      Then read (b) a direct and complete analysis of Obama versus Romney’s prescriptions for an improved capitalistic business climate in this country, an excellent, nonpartisan (it’s from the UK) 7/21/12 article in TheGuardian that concludes

      “The Fox News charge that this (Obama’s desire for public/private innovation) is socialism is bewildering and dangerous nonsense. Anglo-American capitalism, mired in debt, low investment and out-innovated by its competitors in Asia and Germany, is at a crossroads. What is clearer than ever is that the conservatives’ response is dumb. If Obama and the Democrats can beat them in the US it will have global ramifications – a chance to recognize what really makes good capitalism work. At last, it is game on.”

      Better avoid getting all your news from the extreme right wing hacks like Rush et al at Faux News – they are, um, lying to you. Please read the full TheGuardian article at

      I like and respect Mitt, though for tons and tons of reasons, I am not permitted to vote for him. Let’s hope for a better GOP ticket in 2016. My point is that Mitt would call Obama’s current term a “sunk cost”. If you’re familiar with this monetary concept, you know it simply means forget the past, you can’t change it (gets complicated when you’re looking at cash/equity/debt flows). So, we all need to be as objective as possible, and pick the guys with the best shot at restoring healthy capitalism and unfettered democracy, right?

      Please allow me to add two brief references that I believe every voter – across the political spectrum – should see, plus a third optional article.

      (1) The first is an 8-1/2-minute video on YouTube that is entertaining, yet packed full of valid, important statistics. It is titled “American Economy 2012 Crime Scene”; I would have titled it something like “The Big Picture: What Ails the Country, and How to Fix It”. It was created by a 74-year old retired scientist and modern renaissance man; I’ve corresponded with the videographer, and he strikes me as a very intelligent guy who has no particular axe to grind. I was surprised by the ending, and the case it makes is pretty tight. You’ll find it at

      (2) I am well aware that the New York Times tends to the left. However, whatever your political bent, I suggest that everyone read the 10/27/12 New York Times editorial that supports Obama at

      I’ve done a lot of reading, especially right wing thought. IMHO, the Times evaluation is wider and more balanced that that found here – or any others that I’ve seen. Should you read the Times, and still vote for Romney, you will at least have a better idea of just what exactly you’re supporting, sans rhetoric, and the dangers involved. Rather than get into the many arguments over the candidates, I simply urge you to view the video and read the Times.

      (3) The optional read is “Obama’s Squandered Advantages”, by Frank Bruni in the New York Times on 10/27/12 at

      What I’ve read in the past from Mr. Bruni was quite critical of Obama; you’ll find that Bruni isn’t Obama’s best buddy in this article, either.

      Thank you.

      • DaveH

        Unbelievable. John’s article says — “Let’s be clear, Obama has not governed as a tax-and-spend liberal, let alone as a socialist”.
        So I guess that Obama playing hardball politics to ram through Obamacare was just a figment of our imagination? How stupid do John and Time think we are?

      • JohnR

        Hi DaveH:

        Regarding your comment –

        DaveH says:
        November 2, 2012 at 12:09 am

        Unbelievable. John’s article says — “Let’s be clear, Obama has not governed as a –tax-and-spend liberal, let alone as a socialist”.
        So I guess that Obama playing hardball politics to ram through Obamacare was just a figment of our imagination? How stupid do John and Time think we are?

        I’m glad you’re checking out the references. They belong in the category of mainstream media, so I think it’s interesting to see what these guys are saying. I don’t know what the context of the quote is. I’ve read, in a either a GAO or CBO report, that Obama has reduced Federal staffing by ~500k positions, and actually reduced the deficit, but I wonder. The stimulus was sure as heck something-and-spend. Beyond that, I have no guesses as to what the quote applies to.

        Obamacare passage was hardball by everybody, but, sure, that is a good example of Obama using up his time and political capital. Obama couldn’t know it at the time, but the Dem’s only had majorities in both houses for 71 days. I know Obama had rational background to say that spiraling healthcare costs were the worst driver of the deficit and were driving business crazy. But I’ve got to wonder what he thinks about all his Obamacare hardball now.

        I don’t see how the question of whether Obama is a stereotypical tax-and-spend Dem, or a Socialist is related to the question of whether he practices hardball politics. And, if you think Time is wrong about something, why blow about it without finding an analysis that refutes Time?

        Regarding the invectives in your post: “Unbelievable, I tell you, it’s just UNBELIEVABLE!!!” Yeah, DaveH – “outrageous”…”figment”…”stupid”. Whats wrong with discussing issues and well-thought-out, tight, factual opinions? Don’t you get tired and/or bored with all the bluster you give and receive? That’s a rhetorical question, because I’m through with this site, at least for a long while, other than maybe tying up a couple of loose ends.

        I’ve tried to add facts and reputable, third-party analyses here. It has taken a lot of time and effort to essentially publish little literature reviews, and careful little analyses. But you and some others seem to be locked into huffing and puffing at each other in personal, subjective, and often nasty, ways. Fine for ya’ll, but I’m old, and life is short, so I’ll stick with analysis and supported opinion, with references.

        I’m not learning anything when your reaction to a piece in a slightly right-leaning, venerable national business review is “unbelievable”, followed by no clear description, or rebuttal, of the thing that is unbelievable. Sure sounds like a case of don’t try to confuse me with facts, my mind’s made up. And huff, puff, booly, bluster “How stupid do John and Time think we are?” is the big finish. I’m not Time Magazine, it’s not “John’s article”, silly. btw, you do realize that, as I’ve explained a few times, I am not a Dem, nor a “Libby”, nor do I care much for Obama, right? But then I’m not a Tea Party idiot, and I find the level of hate in this site – including the dog whistle stuff by Root – is palpable, and ugly. No thanks. Good bye, and good luck.

  • Scott Mattson Both Mitt and Obama are owned by the Federal Reserve and the wallstreet bankers like Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley. There is not a dimes worth of difference between them. A vote for either is a vote for the luciferian NWO.

  • Scott Mattson
  • Neil Swan

    It sounds like he is talking about the religious right.
    They want to go against the constitution and make religious law
    They are against sharia law that is religious law in islamic countries.
    They should be against any religious law like the constitution is.
    It is for religious freedom.


  • Richard

    “None are more hopelessly enslaved then those who believe they are free” –Wolfgang Von Goethe.

    Go ahead and vote. Your only hope is at the local and state elections anymore, but not in the major cities where voting is also rigged. I saw what the Republican system did to Ron Paul and the delegates, that was enough for me to see.

    America is under judgement now because this nation has turned from God and allowed it to happen.

    If you haven’t read “The Harbinger”, I suggest you do.

    • JohnR

      Oh no, not that, not again. Turning away from God AGAIN? I’m getting really old. All my life there has been this turning…turning because of this..turning because of that…turning because of the new this…more turning because of that all over again…the world ended earlier this year, but here we are, still turning away…


      • Richard

        Yes..THAT again.

  • Nick Czudy

    Wayne Root. I thought that Conservative Right wingers as yourself did not smoke Marijuana or other drugs.. You have certainly fallen for the many lies that are perpetrated in the GOP circles in the bubble.
    You are so wrong. I would just like to ask you, that if Obama wins, and everything that you have said here is wrong, that you will be man enough to hang your bare ass out on the O’Reilly show in repentance and apologize. Obama will win with over 300 electoral votes.

  • The Christian American

    That will mean Christians have sold their souls to Satan. With all due respect to the Mormons, they are NOT Christians. Christians recognize Christ as the Son of God possessing the Spirit of God, not as just another prophet. Zionist have infiltrated Christianity now the Mormons are doing the same thing. NOTHING Romney has said would lead me to believe he will make any changes that Bush and Obama have done. He will just expand their road to tyranny with himself as America’s would be tyrant. All the pieces are there for a dictator and the American people are putting them in place themselves with these choices. It’s time to read and believe John 3:16. Some say it’s overtime.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The Christians have not sold their souls to Satan since that is an impossibility since both God and Satan cannot reside in the same body. Why say “with all due respect to Mormons” if you mean just the opposite.

      • Richard

        Christians haven’t sold their souls……..but many Christians have scales on their eyes.

      • http://none Charlie

        No Scripture ? your comment is wrong per the Bible,,,read the book of Job,,, no wonder JohnR got on your case… Meanwhile ……………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

    • Richard

      You are correct sir. So far, only Ron Paul has understood the US Constitution and has acted like a Christian.

    • http://none Charlie

      T C A,,,
      There ain’t no such thing as a “believe only Christian”…One MUST at least also do what King Jesus said at John 3:5 and John 3:22,23… Or do what Peter said at Acts 2:38…

      Charlie Freedom

    • DaveH

      Mormons aren’t Christians? Funny, they think they are:

      So much misinformation. So little time left to get together for Freedom.

      • http://none Charlie

        But, you may have enough time to do Acts 2:38…………………..

  • Dwight Mann

    I concur fully, it is going to be a landslide. We have all been waiting a long time to throw this guy out of office on his ear. . .

    • Richard

      Americans have been played like a ping pong ball for the last number of elections by the rigged system. Throw out one rascal and replace him with another controlled rascal.

  • Palin16

    Dateline Nov. 7, the day after the election.
    Barack Hussein Obama loses, gives consession speech, his finest speech ever.
    President-elect Romney chooses Sarah Palin for Secretary of Interior.
    Michelle Obummer proclaims” there is not one part of me that is not bummed out”.
    Hillary decides now is the right time to come out of the closet. Napolitano follows suit.
    Holder plays the race card.
    Dems lose Senate too. Rather than be demoted to Senate Minority leader, a position far beneath his dignity, Harry Reid retires. Harry and Bawney Fwank share a retirement party.

    • JeffH

      You know you just raised the blood pressure on the lefties with the “ALERT” don’t you? Next thing ya’ know you’ll get arrested for perpetuating heart attacks and depression on Omamaholics. :) :) :)

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Thanks JeffH for a great side hurting laugh.

    • http://none Charlie

      Palin 16,,,
      Are you a Prophet ???

      • Frank Kahn

        Are you?

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Yeah,,,want scripture? I got it………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

  • Richard

    I read these posts and I now understand what Jesus saw in the Pharisees and Saducees and what John the Baptist saw.

  • Richard
  • Albert Cooper

    I don’t know which bible you read but true Christians are going to select an honest, and just leader without the split tongue of a serpent…. And they’ll elect someone who can take the oath on the constitution of Christianity , the Holy Bible not the Mormon Holy Book which is the Constitution of Mormonism. Don’t get it twisted!

    • http://none Charlie

      Albert Cooper,,,.
      Will you ID these “True Christians”? We are trying to find a few good Men for Our Militia.
      Meanwhile,,,Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom


    Wayne I sure hope your prediction is correct.The worst possible thing for this nation would be a Obama re-election.I personally believe you are correct and that the so called main stream media has been purposely Skewing the polls in Obama’s favor.However I think now that some are beginning to be more truthful simply because they do not want to be known as their polls being worthless.Keep up your good work and full steam ahead.Hopefully we will be rid of the mistake in the White House very soon.God bless you Wayne Allen Root and may God bless our great country once again.
    PS:i just cannot understand.Where is all the christian outrage the past few months when our Constitutions has been trounced on.

    • JohnR

      Golly gosh. Someone omniscient! Maybee the rest of wee-un’s Christians just don’t got duh juice, huh? Woo-ee, that gots to be uh trip.

      ps: I’ze outraged now. OUTRAGED, I tell yuh! Who trounced it? When? Where? How? Come on, giv er up. Ya’ll knows it. Giv.

      • Fleur diLis

        You are just another pseudo-intellectual douche bag, impressed with what he believes is his own high intellect.

        The majority of the people in the US will more than likely elect Romney.

        You are just another fool who believes, like the above muff-divers, that Obama is a great guy, full of compassion and kindness…that’s how stupid you are.

        Obama only cares about votes and power. He likes having nothing to do but as little as possible, go into his little cigarette-and-reefer room next to the Oval Office. He is unable to make decisions, ie the Maersk-Alabama hijacking, the Osama bin Laden assasination, etc. It seems the only decision he DOES make are wrong, ie Benghazi massacre.

        Obama is a product of that wonderful American institution called Affirmative Action.
        He now finds that his lies have caught up with him. How? By signing foreign student documentation in order to enter Harvard University. Not only would we find this out were his records opened and viewed by the American people, his lousy grades would also be able to be viewed.

        So many dumb people now hold “college degrees” from the many inferior, money – making colleges and universities that sprung up in the US from the 1980s to the present. The “competency- degree programs, in which these sucker students provide weak statements of their abilities in the Real World. Non-traditional education has made people believe they are actually educated when they “gradumacate” from one of these. I have found a large majority of these unfortunately ignorant people believed the line of BS sold to them by greedy admissions representatives whose credo is”warm butts on cold seats”

        So it is with Obama. He is decidedly ignorant. He has proven this time and time again over the past four years. He was, how you say? A put-up job. ( BTW, great WSJ article on Affirmative Action two weeks ago. I suggest all you “college and university graduates” who attended these kinds of flunky degree mill schools, go ahead and try your skills out. You will find, if you haven’t already so, that your degrees aren’t worth the paper they’re written. But if YOU believe you’re educated, then that’s really the only thing of importance, right?)

        Obama got his another way. By claming his Arab-Kenyan heritage and knowing someone who knew someone who was a cousin of someone who was related to a Saudi prince to fund him.

        He has been a liar since Day One.

        He and his regime of thugs have opened the long-healed wounds of racism in the US. Blacks had forgotten to be angry, things racially were normalizing and we were all getting along until Barack Obama stirred ‘dat old pot agin! (that was for your benefit, JohnH. As I know how you fellas enjoy notoriety and showtunes…)

        I confess proudly that I certainly am a Hater.

        I hate what Barack Obama has done to my country; I hate having homosexuality (you’ll pardon the pun) rammed down everyone’s throat. This practice is a CHOSEN lifestyle, NOT a civil right). I’m also sick of seeing sexual education, as well as the ACCEPTANCE of homosexuality at the primary grade level.

        I really hate seeing my hard-earned tax monies being wasted on the lazy dregs of society -any color – those who are too lazy to work, those who spread their legs and pop out little bastard after little bastard after little bastard….and I mean b-a-s-t-a-r-d.

        I hate the deceitful trick that Liberals have played on American women and their so-called Liberation. From the late 60s forward, our women have been made to feel stupid, foolish and worthless if they stayed home to raise a family. All from the Progressive Liberals. Like your fate ladies? Now you MUST work, mustn’t you??? No more hubby to support and give you and your kids a good life. Stupid women. Perhaps you now realize it might have been much easier to be married and have a stable family life instead of having to work (now 3 or 4 jobs to make ends meet) and raise dysfunctional high-grade morons who will never contribute a plug nickel but take and take from the soon-to-end public welfare system.

        Capitalism is good and I don’t care what you think about it, any of you bleeding hearts.
        Capitalism makes the world go around. It provides JOBS. Obama wants everyone to be in the same boat economically.

        But not he, oh no. While you Entitled Ones are eating your Spam sandwiches -which is what you will be eating after you’ve killed the Golden Goose of Government-Obama, the First Hippo and their adopted daughters, will be eating lobster in their $35M Hawaiian estate, laughing at every one of you takers! Laughing at how stupid you were to fool and how wasted your worthless lives have been.

        So, by all means, riot all you want to if Romney is elected ( and I hope he is.)
        All of you Occupiers and “Pink Panthers, come on. I guarantee you that everyone on this blog who opposes you candy asses will not back down. If need be, all of us who truly love this country WILL FIGHT for it and take a very large amount of dead Liberals with us. We’ll just let God sort you out. So bring it on!!!

        Oh, and JohnH……..bite me!

      • JohnR

        Hi Fleur diLis:

        I must confess, I can’t follow what’s going on in your long ranting and raving post. I’m pretty sure your little slam at the beginning is in reference to my previous post. I’m also pretty sure you missed my point.

        But, hey, no problem.

        I’m a senior citizen, and remember when even the nastiest of election races still required the candidates to talk about ISSUES. Life is short, so I’m really only interested in facts, and opinions that are solidly rooted in facts. I love a carefully constructed, well-supported argument. I think the tenor of my writing reflects this.

        In contrast, the majority of writers in this blog deal in unsupported opinion, frequently engage in heated and/or insulting arguments, and often devolve into caustic “trash talk”. I consider this to be both incredibly inappropriate for a website about politics, and a complete waste of time. Where is the discussion and advancement of political thought? Not here.

        I’ve been posting on this site for one day. I’m finished. If I come back, it will not be soon. Goodbye, and good luck.

  • Richard

    “… the powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences.” –Dr. Carroll Quigley, “Tragedy and Hope,” 1966

  • Richard

    Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes it’s laws. Mayer Rothschild

  • Richard

    “The Trilateral Commission is international and is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power – political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical.”
    —–Barry Goldwater in his book Make No Apologies 1979

  • Richard

    “When the President signs this act [Federal Reserve Act of 1913],
    the invisible government by the money power — proven to exist
    by the Monetary Trust Investigation — will be legalized.
    The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.
    From now on, depressions will be scientifically created.”

    –Charles A. Lindbergh, Minnesota Congressman and father of the aviator

  • Richard

    “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” –David Rockefeller in his book MEMOIRS

    “We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the lights of publicity during those years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty on an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.” –David Rockefeller speaking in 1991 Bilderberg Convention in Germany

  • Richard John F. Kennedy’s speech on Secret Societies…just before he was assasinated.

  • Richard Dick Cheney tells CFR members something he never told his constituents back in Wyoming before running for office. And everyone laughs.

  • Richard Dick Cheney meets the REAL BOSS…the power behind the throne in the USA and a protege of the Rothschilds….the ones who really rule the world. …..and they serve evil.

  • Richard The Rothschild designed Israeli Supreme Court building designed to trample on the Christian Cross in the courtyard.

  • Richard

    Alright I’ve posted this and there is much more…to try to wake up Christians to the Wolves out there. Quitting eating the “milk toast” like infants and start using discernment of the evil that lurks out there. Quit being deceived and open up your eyes.

  • Richard

    Pastor Chuck Baldwin on the elections. Pastor Chuck Baldwin was recognized by Ronald Reagan.

  • expositor

    Hate is more injurious to the hater, than it is to the hated. MLK Jr.

    • Karolyn

      How true!

  • Vitus Mbabie

    I am a Christian and I do not believe that Mormons are Christians. So please do not fly that kite to draw support for Mr Romney. Carefully examine the programs of both candidates and then make up your mind. Most importantly, you may not like Obama as person for any particular reason, but learn to respect the office of the president. Calling the President of United States ” a clueless fool” is most uncharitable and does properly portray you as a Christian ,as followers of Christ are not expected to talk in such foul language. For me I believe, nobody can fix this economy that was messed up since Nixon in four not even in eight years, so please look beyond rhetoric and campaign promises to win election and as a Christian that is if my presumption is right about you, pray and ask God to give the nation direction and new beginning.

    • Fleur diLis

      As I said earlier, being a Christian should never be mistaken for being weak or impotent. I remember something about being slain by the jawbone of an ass. Is yours available?

  • Richard

    Research these Patriots who know what is going on: Paul Craig Roberts, former Asst Sec of the Treasury in the Reagan Admin; Catherine Austin Fitts, former Sec. of Labor in the Bush I admin; Ted Gunderson, former Chief of the Los Angeles Bureau of the FBI; Philip Giraldi, retired CIA, Michael Scheuer, retired CIA, Michael Steele, retired CIA, John Perkins who wrote Confessions of an Economic Hitman…..even liberal Ray McGovern, retired CIA who was beaten up in front of Hillary Clinton when she was giving a speech on Human Rights. In case you don’t know it….you are living in a FAUX REPUBLIK….not the one envisioned in the US Constitution by our Founding Fathers.

    Research these names on Youtube and you can watch these videos. Listen and learn…and don’t be afraid to pray for discernment. May God begin removing the scales from your eyes.

    • Richard Ex CIA Ray McGovern getting beat up for silently protesting Hillary’s fraudulent speech on Human Rights. Ray McGovern is dragged away and you can hear him say “This is America isn’t it????????” Welcome to the FAUX REPUBLIK.

  • Richard

    I challenge Christians to research all that I have listed above ………it’s there in black and white………..quit being deceived!

  • Richard

    Mark 8-18 Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?

  • Richard

    Jeremiah 5:21 Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear:
    Ezekiel 12:2 “Son of man, you are living among a rebellious people. They have eyes to see but do not see and ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious people.

  • Richard

    American’s are now deluded………….they believe in lies and defend lies. This is EXACTLY what Paul Craig Roberts ex- Sec of the Treasury from the Reagan Admin recently wrote:

    “Americans live in a matrix of lies. They seldom encounter a truthful statement.There is no evidence that Americans can any longer tell the difference between the truth and a lie. Americans fell for all of these lies and more: Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction and al Qaeda connections. Saddam Hussein’s troops seized Kuwaiti babies from incubators and threw them on the floor. Gaddafi fed his troops Viagra to help them rape Libyan women. Iran has a nuclear weapons program. Change–yes we can! The US is “the indispensable country.” America is broke because of food stamps and Social Security, not because of wars, bankster bailouts, and a failing economy. Russia is America’s number one enemy. China is America’s number one enemy. Iran is a terrorist state. Jobs offshoring is free trade and good for the US economy. Israel is America’s most loyal ally. The US missile shield surrounding Russia is not directed at Russia. The South China sea is an area of US national interest. Financial markets are self-regulating.

    The list is endless. Lies dominate every policy discussion, every political decision. The most successful people in America are liars.

    The endless lies have created a culture of delusion. And this is why America is lost. The beliefs of many Americans, perhaps a majority, are comprised of lies. These beliefs have become emotional crutches, and Americans will fight to defend the lies that they believe. The inability of Americans to accept facts that are contrary to their beliefs is the reason the country is leaderless and will remain so. UNLESS SCALES FALL FROM AMERICANS’ EYES, AMERICANS ARE DOOMED.”

    Wake up Christians before it’s too late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Richard

    I find it totally and absolutely incredulous that Christians have become so deluded in thinking that voting for Obama or Romney is the answer.

    Strange isn’t it that Jesus never confronted the political system of his day, when the Pharisees and Saducees were hoping that he would be a reigning king like David and remove the Romans from their land?

    Of course Christ came to save us from our sins. His mission wasn’t to overthrow the political system in Judea, but in essence he overcame the WORLD and all of the evil in it: the powers and principalities in high places.

    The signs are definitely pointing we could be entering the end times. And why can’t Christians see through the delusions and lies???????????????

    • http://none Charlie

      Do you understand Matthew 15:24? “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel”… Who are the lost sheep of the house of Israel today ??? Explain Matthew 15:24, in contexts and by it’s verse… Meanwhile…………..
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • Richard

    Christians are chasing their tail in a false pardigm. It’s like a rigged sports event. Rally round your team and root on your favorite player!!! raaa raaaa raaaa……..hoot and holler……..and the outcome is rigged. Especially if someone owns both teams. Wake up people!!!!!!!

  • Richard

    I’m beginning to realize the vast majority of Americans are ignorant and downright stupid. I’m embarassed of many of my countrymen. They blindly feel we are the best of everything in the world….with a Texas size ego and mentality. Sad.

    • http://none Charlie

      Who are God’s Chosen People? Does 1 Chronicles 16:13, point them out? Does Matthew 15:24 , point them out? Meanwhile………….
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn , cannot prove any part of The Holy Bible wrong,,, Because,,, King Jesus IS King of kings and Lord of lords… Meanwhile…
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          I have never said I can prove any part of the Bible wrong, what I have said is that your interpretation of the original meaning of the words written in the ancient scripts is wrong. I am not challenging the Word of God, only your words.

  • Paul Martin

    This was a good one! Look at all the liberal loons coming out to comment. They are scared to death they are going to loose their little god, Obama. It would not surprise me if Romney/Ryan do win by a landslide. The liberals and their lamestream media live in a world of lies and make believe, so they actually believe everything they tell each other. How much drugs will they have to take, to be able to go to sleep at night when they here the words, President Romney.

    • Richard

      “None are more hopelessly enslaved then those who believe they are free”. –Wolfgang Von Goethe

      And Americans are being played in the pawn game of once again throwing out the rascal in office only to replace them with another rascal. Until they understand who and what are the powers behind the scenes in this false pardigm….they are and will be hopelessly enslaved.

      • http://none Charlie

        Who spoke John 8:32 ? “the truth will make you free”… Psalm 119:160 is the equation for “Truth”, it says “the sum of God’s words is truth”,…the Sum of God’s words =Truth…
        Are you abiding in The Words of King Jesus ? Love and respect King Jesus / God and abide in Their Words, AND YOU ARE FREE… Meanwhile…………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          It is amusing to see you attempting to proselytize richard when he is essentially in the same category of person as yourself. The two of you Bible thumping born again antagonists going to see which one of you is the lesser Christian?

    • Richard

      Better yet are Christians falling for the lies and chosing to vote for either candidate in the false hope that America will be the better for it. Read ChuckBaldwinLive and his editorials. He was a pastor recognized by Ronald Reagan.

      • http://none Charlie

        Have you accomplished Acts 2:38 ???

        • Frank Kahn

          Acts 2:38 is not an accomplishment chuckles

          • richard

            Have you not read 2 Thessolonians 2-11??? King James, Cambridge edition.

            And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

          • Frank Kahn

            If you have a point say it, dont ask stupid questions

          • richard

            I have made a point, but you are too feeble to understand. I pray the Spirit opens up your eyes to your dimwittedness and foolishness. I sense a Pharisee if I have ever seen, heard or met one. May God humble you as he has humbled me.

          • Frank Kahn

            AH I knew you were not a Christian. Your point is pointless to us true Christians. I will say the same to you as charlie not for freedom. Your opinion is your opinion I have my personal relationship with God and it is none of your business. Dont ever make like you know my knowledge, intelligence or intent. You are not God

          • richard

            But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

            Matthew 3-7 King James

            …and yes Frank..this is meant for you.

          • Frank Kahn

            Go hug your buddy Charlie, I am sure he loves your quoting of senseless scriptures. I am not impressed nor concerned with your pious ponderings.

          • richard

            Do you not know scripture? You have the power to forgive, but not judgement. Therefore I forgive you of your blindness and stupidity…and I will leave your judgement to God. By your own words you have shown that you are a viper and a Pharisee. The fruits of the Spirit are not in you…and that you know, it is clearly seen. Pray that God changes your heart or you will be eternally wishing you made that prayer. It’s not too late.

          • Frank Kahn

            I do not judge, it is you who fails as a Christian in this matter, and if I see you in person I will show you the earthly cost of calling me stupid.

          • richard

            For, lo, the wicked bend their bow, they make ready their arrow upon the string, that they may secretly shoot at the upright in heart.

            Psalms 11-2

          • richard

            A man’s pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

            Proverbs 29-23

          • richard

            As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool returns to his folly.

            Proverbs 26-11

            So be it…

          • Frank Kahn

            Yes, so knowing that maybe you can stop. You are not my savior, Jesus is. You are not my judge, God is. You speak ill of me without knowledge or cause which is not Christian.

            You are just as bad as charlie, you think because you can quote scripture that you are more holy than others. This is not true. Charlie could not win with his insane scripture quoting and neither will you. I have studied this subject for 50 years, I consult with men who are more capable of knowing the true meaning of the original words than you are.

            I am willing to bet that you think that Acts 2:38 is salvation just like that ignorant Charlie.

            You want to discuss God, fine we will discuss God, but if you just want to spout stupid nonsense using scriptures incorrectly then get lost.

          • richard

            But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth

            James 3-14

          • richard

            The minor prophet Nahum is meant for you. Please turn while you are able…open up your heart to the Lord and humble yourself. I have and He has blessed me. Why do you turn from God’s blessings? Do you prefer His judgement instead?

            Nahum 1

            The Lord’s Anger Against Nineveh

            2 The Lord is a jealous and avenging God;
            the Lord takes vengeance and is filled with wrath.
            The Lord takes vengeance on his foes
            and vents his wrath against his enemies.
            3 The Lord is slow to anger but great in power;
            the Lord will not leave the guilty unpunished.
            His way is in the whirlwind and the storm,
            and clouds are the dust of his feet.
            4 He rebukes the sea and dries it up;
            he makes all the rivers run dry.
            Bashan and Carmel wither
            and the blossoms of Lebanon fade.
            5 The mountains quake before him
            and the hills melt away.
            The earth trembles at his presence,
            the world and all who live in it.
            6 Who can withstand his indignation?
            Who can endure his fierce anger?
            His wrath is poured out like fire;
            the rocks are shattered before him.

            7 The Lord is good,
            a refuge in times of trouble.
            He cares for those who trust in him,
            8 but with an overwhelming flood
            he will make an end of Nineveh;
            he will pursue his foes into the realm of darkness.

            9 Whatever they plot against the Lord
            he will bring[a] to an end;
            trouble will not come a second time.
            10 They will be entangled among thorns
            and drunk from their wine;
            they will be consumed like dry stubble.[b]
            11 From you, Nineveh, has one come forth
            who plots evil against the Lord
            and devises wicked plans.

            12 This is what the Lord says:

            “Although they have allies and are numerous,
            they will be destroyed and pass away.
            Although I have afflicted you, Judah,
            I will afflict you no more.
            13 Now I will break their yoke from your neck
            and tear your shackles away.”

            14 The Lord has given a command concerning you, Nineveh:
            “You will have no descendants to bear your name.
            I will destroy the images and idols
            that are in the temple of your gods.
            I will prepare your grave,
            for you are vile.”

            15 Look, there on the mountains,
            the feet of one who brings good news,
            who proclaims peace!
            Celebrate your festivals, Judah,
            and fulfill your vows.
            No more will the wicked invade you;
            they will be completely destroyed.[c]

          • Frank Kahn

            More meaningless quoting of scripture. I am of the nation of Israel and the tribe of Judah, will you come against me? I know the scripture you speak, I know its worth. Will you stand against Israel?

          • richard

            All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness

            2 Timothy 3-16

            …none of these are my words…but Gods to you.

          • richard

            All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.

            2 Timothy 3:16

          • Frank Kahn

            Not good enough for me, if you dont have personal words I have no time for you. Like I told Charlie, just quoting scriptures or giving references is sign of lack of self thought. You want to talk I talk to you not the Bible.

      • richard

        I have accepted Jesus Christ as my LORD and have allowed the Holy Spirit to indwell in me….and if I speak something contrary to the Spirit then let me be damned. And the Spirit tells me that many are blind, dumb and do not hear on this site. Let this be a warning to them. Unless they quit their false pride they will continue to believe in the lie.

        “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie”. 2 Thessolonians 2-11.King James, Cambridge edition

        • Frank Kahn

          Are you in the same cult as charlie?

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,is of the lineage of Esau Edom ,,,that lineage will not be forgiven,,,see that at Malachi 1:1–5…Yes, boys and girls The Bible does “”Discriminate” against some people,,,BUT,,,The Bible also says “ask and you shall receive”,,, figure it out with the sum of God’s words,,, Harmonize The Scripture to arrive at “Truth”……………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          Prove your lie charlie, I have stated fact, if you can trace my lineage in any different manner it is up to you to show it not me. And it is not in your version of the Bible.

  • Richard

    Too many people on here seem to be ADD Christians, with short attention spans, unable to analyze…who can’t think independently unless fed tripe and garbage, let alone eat the garbage they buy at Walmart. What a hopeless nation being led to the slaughter.

  • Jen Madison

    I find it very hard to believe that this giant rush of Christians will be racing to the polls to vote for Mitt Romney. I also cannot believe that Billy Graham endorsed anybody, let alone Romney! I think he has dementia and it is actually Franklin Graham that is kissing up to Romney. The main reason I do not believe all these evangelical christians want Mitt is because he belongs to a CULT! I was raised a pentecostal holy roller and was taught that Mormons are a CULT and to support them or become one, guarantees you eternal hellfire and brimstone! Also, Romney has been proven to be a constant LIAR about everything, and that is surely a sin and NOT Presidential .

    • http://none Charlie

      Acts 2:38,,,or out the gate……………………………………………

    • DaveH

      What is a cult? Any religion other than your own.

    • DaveH

      Jen says — “Also, Romney has been proven to be a constant LIAR about everything, and that is surely a sin and NOT Presidential”.
      What, not Presidential? Then we haven’t had any Presidential Presidents for a very long time.

    • ChuckS

      There are different definitions of a cult. People think of a cult as an organization that takes people away from their families and brainwashes them. A number of evangelical christians also consider a group that teaches that Jesus is not the son of God, to be a cult. Romney fits the second, definition, but I don’t think the first. He couldn’t become a member of my church unless he changes his beliefs, but I’ll vote for him as president.

      Jeremiah Wright’s church may be as far off as mormonism.

      Daniel served did well under pagan kings.

      Harry Reid is a mormon, but I don’t think that disqualifies all mormons. Also, Eisenhower’s secretary of agriculture was a mormon.

      • Nick Czudy

        I for one, after listening to most of these posts, arguing, who is a real christian or not would like to say, “So what”! The constant quoting of the bible is tiresome and irrelevant. None of these relate to this thread about will the religious right save Mitt Romney and get him elected.
        Do you know how ridiculous you all sound? As long as this type of thinking goes on in America, we will never be able to solve our social, economical or ethical problems in this country.
        For all of you people that live, eat and breath the bible. It was created by King Constantine, about 300 years after Jesus supposedly died. It was done to bring together the pagans and the Christians into some common ground. They debated how to depict Jesus, as a God or as a married man. They decided what letters and books to include to support the direction that they chose.
        The virgin birth,, three kings, shining star, crucifixion, and resurrection, was taken from earlier pagan stories. It has been passed down from the pagan religions for thousands of years.
        Can you all just face it that it is folk tales that you are still trying to propagate in this modern time, and make it apply to our lives today. Get over it, study it as a historical document and stop lying to all of our kids.
        Now, if you chose to keep believing this as gospel and you will spend every part of your life in quoting numerous revisions and translations that do not apply to our lives and government, that is your choice. Just keep it out of our government and modern decisions that will control and influence our lives today.
        Just because you are Christians, does not give you exclusive rights to kindness, honesty, generosity, civility, knowledge, morality, truthfulness, charity and trust.
        It seems from listening to this post, that in fact most of you Christians may lack most of these qualities.

  • Jeremy Leochner

    With respect Mr. Root I disagree. Your comment: “They can’t wait to take their country back from a man (President Obama) that seems to despise capitalism, disrespects faith and religion, never misses an opportunity to offend or damage our relationship with Israel, and fails to recognize the massive threat we face from radical Islam.”

    1: “seems to despise capitalism”. The key word is seems. He does not. Otherwise he would not have saved the auto industry and based his health care reform on everyone joining the capitalistic insurance company system.

    2: “disrespects faith and religion”-He has not done that. I am sure you will mention the issue of contraception. Problem is its required from those organizations affiliated with churches not the churches themselves.

    3: “never misses an opportunity to offend or damage our relationship with Israel”- Then why during the debates did he mention Israel and our unending committment to them so much.

    4: ” fails to recognize the massive threat we face from radical Islam”-So the President who had Bin Laden killed, has yet to close Guantanamo and is willing to order drone strikes on entire towns just to kill the terrorists who might be there is not taking the threat of radical Islam seriously.

    This election is not about liberals and conservatives, christians and non christians or democrats and republicans. Its about who will lead our country and who is best to do it. The facts are what matters. Fudging the facts whether in Obamas favor or Mitt Romneys is not the way to go. The facts are Obama has made some terrible decisions and made some mistakes. However Romney is not above serious mistakes either. In the end I prefer Obama to Romney. I have taken as much time as I can to consider the two candidates. As much as I may agree with Mitt Romney on the need for fiscal responsibility I cannot over look my disagreements with his other policy ideas. As for Obama I feel he can and needs to do much better. However I believe he can. At the very least I have more faith in him then in Romney.

  • richard

    And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

    2 Thessolonians 2-11. King James Cambridge edition.

  • a REAL Christian

    where did Christ teach about being so angry? is that in your Bible? because it’s not ain any Bible I’ve read.

    • nickkin

      Look in your Bible’s Concordance…..Start’s with Exodus down to james….there are about 29 versus.

    • JON

      Excellent point!

  • nickkin

    Wayne you are exactely right in your commentary…..but I believe you are missing one section of the vote. I personnaly believe in the True-American-patriot vote. They are black, white, hispanic, asian , veterans, non-vets, new citizens , working and retired, real americans. They understand American and world history and the American constitution. They enjoy our democratic society, freedom and the price we had to pay for our freedom in america. These are the real Americans I trust will vote Romney. These are the real Americans that recognize the enemy that has invaded our borders up to the White House. These are the real Americans that will eject obama and his socialist-marxist minions that he uses as his puppets to transform our country. Yes, the socialist mainline media and pollsters has missed a strong portion of our American voters. Evangelicals and real American Patriots.

    • http://none Charlie

      True Christians , God Bless You, in The Name and Blood of King Jesus Christ…
      Heathens ,,thanks for your joker attitude,,ha haha ,,,but,,,to hell with you…
      Meanwhile, back at the Ranch……..
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

    • JON

      Anyone who is a citizen is a real American no matter what their belief system. Being a free country, a person gets to exercise their constitutional right and vote for whomever they choose: Right, left or middle. That’s the great thing about democracy!

      • Frank Kahn

        There is nothing great about a democracy, and we dont live in one anyway.

        Your statement about all citizens of America having the right to vote is wrong. Canadians, Mexicans, Chileans and Brazilians are American citizens and they cant vote here. Also, anyone under 18 years old or who is a convicted felon cant vote.

  • Terry Bateman

    For Frank Kahn: I said criminal illegal immigrants meaning illegal immigrants who commit
    crimes in the U.S..or have committed crimes outside of U.S. are being deported in record
    numbers by Obama. administration. So if you don’t like illegal aliens being here, Obama
    is your man for president. If you don’t like illegal aliens crossing the border, then vote
    for Obama because he has more border control troops on the border than any other
    time in our history and illegal border crossings and arrests are at the lowest levels in

    Terry Bateman

    • Frank Kahn

      And I am saying that your definition of criminal illegal aliens is WRONG. Since your definition of criminal illegal aliens is wrong, so is your definition of Obama deporting Illegal immigrants wrong. He gives amnesty to criminal illegal aliens, that is a fact. All illegal aliens are criminals. They are invading my home without my permission, that is called trespassing. And the number of border patrol agents is not a factor in criminal trespass by Mexicans. They cannot stop the influx of illegal aliens.

      I would also challenge you to support your assumption that the number of criminals (illegal aliens) crossing the border has shown a statistical downturn of occurrences with verifiably accurate data.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Are these criminal illegals ,American? some maybe MexioAmericans and this new cross breed may be the next President as soon as they learn The Bible better than you.
        Your comments indicate that will only take about 2 months…Meanwhile……….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        • Frank Kahn

          THESE CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE AMERICANS. They however will never be president of this nation. Your comment is both stupid and irrelevant. If you ever have a salient point I will gladly discuss it with you, till then your ignorance abounds.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        My comment on Mexican’s new breed is stupid? Well I have to match your stupid comments on being of the lineage of the tribe of Judah, are you pure Judahite? Who was the Daddy of Judah ? What is the name of the last Man written of from the tribe of Judah, in the Bible??? Meanwhile……………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          The comment that by learning the Bible better than me would somehow make them worthy of being president is stupid.

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Almost forgot to ask ,because The Bible is a male chauvinist book, what was the name of Judah’s Mother ??? Meanwhile …………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          Still trying to preach to me? You know her name, so I dont need to tell you

  • copper henderson

    Your a big idiot!!!!! You are a rich resnub.!!!!!! join romney the loser and biggest liar in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Paul Wells

      Let me translate for the conservatives:

      Wahhhhhh! Wahhhh! (wheres my binky) Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

      I think copper and O’s diapers are full and need changing. Oh..right…no one from the left want the dirty job!

  • vietnamvet1971

    I agree, Oblammer/ the Anti-Christian leader thinks he has it won, Mr. Ostupid forgot about us Real Americans and we will not take it any more. All his petty and sarcastic speeches will not help him. He Stinks and “We the Real Americans” are going to Fire him!

    • JON

      Calling The President of the United States ” Mr. Ostupid” only makes you sound disrespectful to Mr. Obama and ignorant to the other American citizens who believe differently than you.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      You apear to be a big part of the Problem!!! You give up the U.S. of A. Calling yourself a Real AMERICAN!!! Beacuse of your Commitment to V.N. … We Have Communities here in California, that Have Signs in Language that “UNITED STATES CITIZENS” Can’t read,
      Beacuse you were dumb enough to go to V.N. Don’t bring their crap back here!

      • Frank Kahn

        Really? The men who fought in Vietnam (mostly forced by the draft and not volunteered) are the reason that you have signs in foreign languages in California? There were no signs in Chinese (in China town) before the Vietnam conflict? There were no Mexican food service establishments there before Vietnam? How about French and Italian restaurants. We have a “foreign” language phrase on our money, E PLURIBUS UNUM, and on the back of the $1 note we have the words ANNUIT COEPTIS and NUVUS ORDO SECLORUM. Can you read those? Do you intend to imply that they were added to our money after Vietnam?

        And how do you say that NO AMERICAN CITIZEN CAN READ those signs? Are there no Chinese speaking citizens here? Are there no Mexican speaking citizens here? I can read Italian, so that foreign language is not a part of the problem.

        Please tell us how Vietnam caused this problem.

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        Frank: In re: ?

        And how do you say that NO AMERICAN CITIZEN CAN READ those signs?
        I Wrote: Language that “UNITED STATES CITIZENS” Can’t read, ………

        To be a United States Citizen you must read & Write English to a 3rd grade level… So for U.S. Citizens ~ the language should be in English!!!
        Not that I’m not Mad about ALL of the other Places that Foregn Languages arn’t used… Especialy when they empower Forigners!!! ( Here. “in the U.S.”)

        • Frank Kahn

          My reading comprehension is very good, I did not object to what you say you said, I objected to what you did say and I quote

          “We Have Communities here in California, that Have Signs in Language that “UNITED STATES CITIZENS” Can’t read,”

          Now, leaving out the obvious grammatical errors in that sentence, you are stating that

          “We have communities, in California, that have signs in a language that “UNITED STATES CITIZENS” can’t read”

          Now that statement has absolutely nothing to do with US citizens reading and writing “AMERICAN ENGLISH”.

          Am I to assume that you are failing in your grade school grammar?

          Did you mean to say

          “There are signs, in California, that there are “UNITED STATES CITIZENS” who cant read ENGLISH?

          • Bert Cundle Sr.

            I should give-up on you… You are in Quick Sand to your eye brows, of: LACK of Education through wisdom.AMERICAN BOARDERS ARE ALL SHORE LINES! UNITED STATES BOARDERS ARE SHORE + 15 Miles to the EAST & WEST! & LAND BOARDERS to the NORTH & SOUTH!!! Just beacuse others Disrespect Boarders… Does Not Realy make them Disapear!!!

          • Richard

            Bert give up. You can’t win with arguing with a fool.

          • Frank Kahn

            It is really hard to understand what you are talking about, with your terrible grammar. A lack of education through wisdom? Wisdom does not give you an education, an education, plus real life experience, can help you gain wisdom (but not guarantee it).

            Our discussion was about signs and language, not about borders.

            I tried very much to delineate between the United States and America in my posts.

            I am also aware that you are somewhat mistaken in your description of the borders of the United States. Hawaii has water on all sides, with no land borders. Alaska has water on three sides with a land border to the east. What you were referring to is the Contiguous Continental States of the United States of America, and even there Texas has a western border with Mexico.

            Now, if you are actually complaining about illegal immigrants, as opposed to the languages used on signs, that is a different discussion.

            I fail to see the correlation between signs in foreign languages and the presence of illegal aliens though. I doubt very seriously that these signs are just the makings of illegal aliens.

            Just for the record (and I have posted it before), I am for the deportation of all illegal aliens found in our country. I believe that immigration is a good thing, but I think it should be done legally through the proper channels.

          • Bert Cundle Sr.

            O. K. Boarders were a generalization… yours were Detailed! ( See You do know the DIFFERANCE between United States & AMERICA!) The U. S. Government Get A Check From The U.S. Treasurery.. From U.S. Citizens Tax $. ( I Believe that there would be less Elegal Alians ” If We Executied them for TRESSPASSING! ) But since they have the Politicans in their pocket & Catholic Protection … Were doomed!

          • Frank Kahn

            I think executing them might be a little severe, but we definitely need to figure a better way to eliminate the current trends.

            There are actually two major reasons they come here. Many on this site keep saying it is because we wont do the menial hard physical labor in agriculture.

            It is true that some are migrant workers but there is another large portion that come here to get welfare benefits.

            These are often pregnant women who know if their baby is born here it is a citizen automatically and therefore has the right to assistance.

            In the latter case, we need a radical change in policies in the country to eliminate this reason for illegal aliens coming here. This has caused an extreme financial burden on us. If we either stop recognizing the babies as citizens (when the parent is an illegal alien), or force the mother to put the baby up for adoption by a US citizen, it would probably sharply reduce if not stop that type of invasion.

            But, you will find many citizens who, for some reason, think these are hateful or barbaric ideas. So, the politicians will probably never make these changes.

            Also, if you want to eliminate spelliing errors, when you finish typing a word that is misspelled, a red line will appear under it. If you left click the word it will give you suggestions for the correct spelling of the word.

          • Bert Cundle Sr.

            Spelling was one of my Pet Peeves in School… I Felt that Teachers Shouldn’t teach the Wrong Spelling of words… Of should be spelled “Uv” Spelling the word how it sounds… Not Perverted, to have control! [ phon·ics (fnks)] ” Ironic Spelling…”
            n. (used with a sing. verb)
            1. A method of teaching elementary reading and spelling based on the phonetic interpretation of ordinary spelling.
            2. Phonetics.

          • Frank Kahn

            I will not argu that sum wurds shud be spelled different if going bi ther sounds. We have many wurds that have strange spellings, like knife instead uv nife. But to say they are spelled wrong is incorrect. Just that there is a simpler way to do it. And, some words that sound the same but mean different things need different spelling so you know which word is meant.

            However, if you learn other languages you will find that the sound of the letters is different.

            For instance the word BY sounds like BI, but in Europe, the spelling BI would be pronounced BE, because they have the E sound for the letter I and our I sound is a diphthong of the combined letters A and I so they would need the spelling BAI for BY. Kinda confusing, but you get used to it.

          • JohnR

            Hello Mr. Kahn:

            How are you? I’m just cleaning out my e-mail, thought I’d say “hi”. While I didn’t read the entire post by Mr. Cundle, the portion shown preceding your reply did express a few terse, compact, and conjoined ideas. Didn’t you and I once engage in a brief exchange around the subject of capitalization as a convention for SHOUTING on the Internet? Be as it may, I couldn’t help but wince at the excessive amount of this in Mr. Cundle’s post.

            As a result, I read your post with a renewed appreciation for your characteristic patient, thoughtful, and respectful treatment using (1) careful deconstruction followed by (2) discovery of, and (3) dispassionate, discerning, and precise distillation and exposition on, the somewhat-obscured, underlying, legitimate, and reflexive opinions or “talking points” espoused by Mr. Cundle.

            If I may offer my own personal point of reference, please allow me to mention that I once owned an apartment building. I tried to be a be the consummately responsive, friendly, and supportive landlord, so I attempted to never, ever “Disrespect (my) Boarders”, be they “AMERICAN BOARDERS”, “UNITED STATES BOARDERS”, or even boarders without borders.

            Keep up the good work.

            Best regards,

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        CORRECTION: Languages arn’t used “TO:” Languages ARE used! ( How did that error get in there?)

  • Greg T Beaty

    You are correct Romney will win by landslide.

  • Yoyita

    I REALY hope you are 100% right, we need to take our country back from this Muslims and SOCIAList media.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      O. K. You take your Country back, (What ever Country it is.) While we Struggle to keep Christianity in Churches!!!

  • Becky oBryan

    Who cares if he’s a Mormon. Gov. Romney wants to create jobs, fix the economy and bring America back from the brink of extinction. I am a Christian and I am voting for him.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      becky… Becky… BECKY… B E C K Y: The Government MAKING MORE JOBS: Means MORE GOVERNMENT SPENDING…
      With Less Taxes???

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        Becky: You being a Christian is Your Choice… When Christians Take over… It will Stop being a Choice!

  • sesame

    What a Dreamer!

  • erinsgram

    I find it so ironic and hypocritical for the same so-called Christians that are for abortion on demand, same sex marriage, & encouraging sex between children are suddenly worried about Mormonism.

    Obama is for govt. paid abortion on demand, same sex marriage, govt. paid contraception for children and blatantly lies, slanders, calls for ‘revenge’ in voting and has completely forgotten to even pretend to be civil and yet calls himself ‘Christian’. Yea, right, a Jeremiah Wright type Christian.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.


  • erinsgram

    America was founded and to-thrived for generations on Judeo-Christian values and Mitt Romney fully displays those values.

    Obama has deliberately & systematically tried to tear down those values.

    If you believe in Judeo-Christian values you can only in good conscience vote ROMNEY!
    A vote for Obama is a rejection of Judeo-Christian values & suffer the consequences.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      You Back peddleing Fool!

    • JohnR

      “If you believe in Judeo-Christian values you can only in good conscience vote ROMNEY!” Because Obama is a Muslim! Yeah, right. Rush-speak nonsense like this is a waste of the national debate. Let’s compare the two candidates based on nonpartisan reporting.

      (1) Obama: Are you truly unaware that Obama is a quietly devout Christian, who is serious about his faith to the extent that he keeps his family’s worship out of the public eye? Obama was raised in an atheist household, and, as a young man, found the Lord all by himself – as a born-again Christian.

      Surprised? Please see “President Barack Obama” in the nonpartisan “”, dated 1/30/12, at

      (2) Romney: While I’m sure that Mitt is a good Mormon – he is a Bishop, and is reported to tithe – is he a devout Mormon? I’m not sure. But I don’t think a pathological liar is a decent candidate for the Leader of the Free World.

      Have you heard the term “Mendacious Mitt”? No? You might want to Google it – Romney’s dishonesty is now widely reported in the nonpartisan media. I liked Romney, but then I started to watch him, and heard the now-famous “flip-flops”. Then I began to see Romney (and Ryan) distort, tell half-truths, and just outright lie. The latest big one: They have doubled down on their “Jeep is moving to China” lie by saying it again, and adding something similar about GM(!) That whopper is so bad that the CEO’s of GM and Chrysler have taken the extraordinary and unprecedented step of issuing strongly-worded statements of condemnation. Yup, liar, Liar, LIAR. Wow. Source: Google it. The story is everywhere.

      The mendacity of “Mendacious Mitt” by itself disqualifies the ticket for me. Whatever distortions that we can pin on Obama – there isn’t anything worse, per the mainstream press – scoring by, et al, indicates that whether R/R win or lose, they’ve already got the Deception Sweepstakes locked up. By a wide margin. If you doubt this for a second, I urge you to do a little on-line searching. I don’t understand how a Christian could vote for such a dishonest man. Having a President who changes positions, deceives, and lies like this would be a huge danger to our country, and, really, the world.

      • Frank Kahn

        FIRST OF ALL JohnR STOP LYING ABOUT OBAMA LIVING WITH ATHEISTS. THE WORD ATHEIST WAS USED ONE TIME IN THE ARTICLE, TO DESCRIBE HIS FATHER. The rest of the time he lived with non-active Christians and a Muslim. Now, while I will agree that non-active Christians sounds like they are not truly Christian, but that does not make them atheists.

        Now to the problem with lying, you slam Romney for lying. Are all the LIES Obama tells better lies somehow?

        And, lets get to the fact checkers. There are several problems with fact checking, one of the biggest is having no fact checker to check the fact checkers. Many of the “lies” mentioned are really exaggerations of the truth. Some are simply misleading statements that are true in content but not context. Then there are the many lies that are not what he said.

        These same circumstances can be said of most of what Obama says. Some, unbiased / non partisan, fact checkers indicate the exaggerations and misleading statements of both candidates.

        They both lie, so get over it, dont claim you are voting for one just because the other one lies, that is stupid hypocrisy. You are voting for Obama because you like him for some reason. If you check the real facts, it is not because he tells the truth about anything important.

        Oh by the way Obama is no more a Christian than Osama Bin Laden.

        • JohnR

          Dear Frank:


          Please stop distorting what I said, and attempting to spread a falsehood. Yes, indeed, there were other family influences in Obama’s childhood besides his father’s atheism. So what? The point is that none of them were Christian, or even spiritual in the traditional sense, and Obama, as a young man, came to Christianity all by himself.

          You say “Obama is no more a Christian than Osama Bin Laden”? Really, Frank? How extreme and ugly! What are your references for this statement? The nonpartisan reference that I cite clearly says the opposite, with supporting context. Confronted with just a simple post, you are compelled to double down on a lie. You’ve written many, many posts in these comments. Given your reaction here, why should we believe any of your other unsupported comments, especially the more extreme ones?

          You condemn all fact-checkers as being worthless, or worse, and I’m a stupid hypocrite. You say: “fact checkers indicate the exaggerations and misleading statements of both candidates. They both lie, so get over it, dont claim you are voting for one just because the other one lies, that is stupid hypocrisy.”

          OK, let’s parse and debunk these two little sentences.

          I often suggest a person should check several fact-checkers, and I now repeat that here. After a person does that a couple of times, biases generally become obvious. I look at sources other than fact-checkers, but, in the midst of all the lies and spin swirling around us in this election season, I cannot think of a more objective, factual place to find the truth. Especially since each assertion by the fact-checkers includes an evaluation that culminates in a rating – “Pants on Fire”, for example. This indicates nuance, and the degree of, truth/untruth, in context.

          To the contrary(!), you say. Then – and let me get this straight – because I search out, and weigh the compelling arguments, I’m a hypocrite? And a stupid one? That’s some kinda’ nasty, wild mudslinging there, Frank. Since I clearly accept factual statements when I am convinced of their veracity, I’m not a hypocrite. By definition. And stupid? If expending the effort to do independent research, thinking about the facts, as discovered, and arriving at an independent and original conclusion is stupid, then, yup, I’m guilty as charged.

          However, reading your post, I must shake my head in disbelief, as I am really and truly doing at this moment. If the reader here accepts that the candidates are simply lying about everything – equally – then God help us all. However, If the reader here accepts that reasonable and true information exists, and is discoverable, regarding this election, then your unsupported assertion here is, or borders on, an irrational rant.

          Finally, you assert that I am voting for Obama solely because I “like” him for some reason. Say what? This post neither says, nor implies, that I’m voting for Obama. Further, in other comments here, I’ve defended Romney against unsupported defamation, with factual references. MY bias is against lies, half-truths, and distortions from ALL sides. But, I’m actually voting for Romney, right?

          You go, Frank Kahn.

          • Frank Kahn

            I am so sorry JohnR, you are not a hypocrite for voting for Obama, you are for voting for Romney. I know the meaning of the word, and it fits.

            You cannot “parse” the sentence because the stupid hypocrite conclusion is a single assessment. It is actually redundant in that being a hypocrite is already a form of stupidity.

            I did not say ALL fact checkers are wrong, I said that they often are misleading in their assessment of LIE. I also check fact checkers, and I have seen many times where they twist a statement or take it totally out of context to make it appear as a lie.

            As to your investigating the truth about Obama’s religion, the article is mainly based on what Obama says, this is not a form of corroboration. His being a member of a church (that is not Christian by definition), for 20 years does not make him a Christian. Thoughts, and actions make you a Christian, I can attend a Mosque for 20 years and not be Muslim.

            I did not use the word equally in my assertion that they both lie, dont try to distort the truth for your own purposes. I can prove that they both lie, if you want examples I can provide them. That makes my statement RATIONAL. As to RANTING, maybe you need to look up ranting in a dictionary. By definition, the several posts (maybe 4 or 5) that you made, siting the exact same thing and quoting the exact same source is a form of rant.

            Now, let me play fact checker on your assertions about Obama’s spiritual / non spiritual surroundings.

            You said he was raised by atheists – incorrect, at best it can be considered that none of his immediate family were actively pursuing a religious affiliation, but there is no evidence given that they dont believe in God.

            You say they were not Christian or even spiritual in the traditional sense – inaccurate, while we can say they did not publicly display Christian tendencies, we cannot say that they dont try to perform Christianity in their own personal perception of it. Nor can we testify to their spirituality. We are also skeptical of your use of the words “traditional sense” in this regards. To who’s sense are you referring, Catholic, protestant, Methodist, Buddhist, Jewish or Muslim?

            I did my research on Obama’s actions with regards to Christianity. I even provided a link to a list of his anti-religious and antagonistic actions to another of your posts.

          • JohnR

            Hello Frank Khan:

            I’m convinced that you have a fine mind. However, in this case, I disagree manifestly with the several distortions and unfounded assertions that you continue to interject into what was, in the beginning, a simple, factual post. Sorry Frank, I’m not gonna’ follow you down the rabbit hole.

            Disclaimer to Frank and everyone else: I apologize in advance for the selection of any individual words herein that you would dispute; misspellings and errors in grammar; any statements herein that you would tear apart because they are, in your opinion, imprecise and/or inaccurate and/or unacceptable for reasons known to you but not to me; and any defects in my character, world view, and anything else about me that is obviously defective and/or immoral and/or horrible.

            Thank you for even considering my unworthy, certainly flawed prose.

            But before I quit this thread – and this post IS the end of this thread for me – please allow me to illuminate just two of your erroneous assertions:


            You say

            “As to RANTING, maybe you need to look up ranting in a dictionary. By definition, the several posts (maybe 4 or 5) that you made, siting the exact same thing and quoting the exact same source is a form of rant…”

            OK, Frank, here is the definition of the noun “rant” by Merriam-Webster exactly as it appears at


            Definition of RANT
            a : a bombastic extravagant speech
            b : bombastic extravagant language
            dialect British : a rousing good time

            Examples of RANT

            First Known Use of RANT
            Related to RANT
            Synonyms: diatribe, harangue, jeremiad, philippic, tirade

            The fact that Obama is a Christian deflates the entire premise of this article, so I did, indeed, place essentially the same post in two other replies. When invective is stripped away, those two commenters’ inflammatory statements similarly denounce Obama as a non-Christian. As we’ve just seen – according to Merriam-Webster – making the same statement in different places does not make it a rant. In light of Merriam-Webster’s definition/synonyms – “bombastic extravagant language”/”diatribe, harangue, jeremiad, philippic, tirade” – you may wish, however, to reflect upon your own posts here and elsewhere.

            I would remind you, and any readers following this thread, that the thread started with a short reply I made to some commenter’s repetition of the tired old saw that Obama is not a Christian. My post cites a brief, nonpartisan description of the inception of Christianity in Obama’s life, and includes the hypertext link to that article, which is


            I again encourage you, kind reader, to review the article. The article, and the exact language in which I cited it is, after all, the source of all of Frank’s, um, concerns. I would suggest that the real point of all this verbage may have become obscure. The point is: READ THE ARTICLE.


            You say “the article is mainly based on what Obama says, this is not a form of corroboration.” Nope, Frank, fail. The introduction to the article says

            “Issues of faith and religion come to the forefront quite often during elections and presidential campaigns. In preparation for the 2012 elections, I’m providing a “faith snapshot” of each of the presidential candidates. This project will be updated as I find additional faith-related statements from the candidates. Please check back often!”

            The article clearly is not “mainly based on what Obama says”; instead it is encyclopedic in scope, content, and “related” links. Any statements by the subject are transparently vetted and qualified. I again suggest that the reader check it out.

            The author is Mary Fairchild, Christianity Guide. Her bio is available at


            And Frank, or anybody: If you wish to contact her about, say, her competence and objectivity as a writer, you can contact her through the webpage titled “Contact Your Guide to Christianity – Mary Fairchild” at


            Oh, and Frank: One last thing: You say

            “I even provided a link to a list of his (Obama’s) anti-religious and antagonistic actions to another of your posts.”

            That’s great and all, and I hope I get it. Except the topic here is the question of whether Barack Hussein Obama is a Christian. If your link is, indeed to the subject as you describe it, that’s a different topic. And, hey, instead of spending your time and IQ cycles deconstructing everything single little thing that I, and other commenters, write here, and denigrating the commenters in offensive ways, why don’t you instead research and discuss real issues of merit related to the candidates and their campaigns? The real topic of THIS thread is whether Obama is a Christian. You’ve talked around that topic in several opinionated ways – why not add some actual, real information about this central topic? In fact, if you prefer to swirl around the topic, that should be useful if you present an argument or view that you can support with evidence of some sort. Heck, even David Brooks at The New York Times makes sense once in awhile.

            So, best regards, good luck, and good bye, Frank. (Frank Kahn: You go!)

            ps: Frank – pal, buddy: What makes you think that I’m voting for Romney?

          • Frank Kahn

            My post to you was completely aimed at the issue of Obama not being a Christian, my link gave supporting examples of his anti-Christian actions. He is not a Christian, by action.

            My dictionary also has babble and rant as synonyms. In that definition, rant would fit your repeated posting of the same item.

  • Jeanette

    We may “take our country back” for now, but the takeover of America by Islam is already well underway. Schools are teaching Saudi-funded pro-Islam classes; universities are building foot-washing stations, and the sky high birthrate of Muslims (with associated costs often borne by non-Muslims) will assure that they are able to vote Sharia in over the Constitution in the not-too-distant future. Unless we can figure out something to stop them that the British and French haven’t been able to figure out.

    So far, Romney has shown little interested in this problem, or in the invasion of America by illegal aliens (mostly Mexican). I hope he wises up before it is too late.

    And we should never forget who originally flooded this country with Muslims, and who allowed the decades of invasion by illegal aliens … our very own “leaders.”

    • Zeph


      I think it pretty likely that you are greatly exaggerating the threat. The number of Muslims in the US is very small, and they are not proselytizing widely. Very, very few if any schools are trying to convert anybody to Islam. Your fears are losing touch with reality.

      I’m pretty sure that virtually everybody reading this is dead set against Sharia law being imposed here. The difference is that some of don’t see that as even remotely likely in the real world, any more than we’re all going to be forced to become Hindus. It just isn’t going to happen. Not even in the most liberal states or cities. I know a good number of liberals, and they may hate Sharia even more than we do – this is one thing we are all united about. So let’s stop spooking ourselves over phantoms; Halloween’s over.

      And there are too many real and serious problems for conservatism and for libertarians to address in this world, to be chasing our tails looking for bogeymen. I think we could all name a few, which are on course to bring about a world of problems if we as a nation don’t get it together. An Islamic cultural or political take-over of the US just isn’t one of them. The more we chase shadows, the more the real problems get swept under the rug.

      In fact, I wonder sometimes if that’s the point – the real problems are complex and at time daunting with no simple and feasible solution – so we instead make up pretend problems to campaign against?

      • Richard

        Zeph…you are dead on right. The Muslims in America are being made into boogeymen. It’s seems like this nation can not exist anymore unless we create enemies real or fictitious.

        • JohnR

          Hey Richard:

          Thanks for the (“hate-less”)* voice of reason.

          *So uncommon on this site. IMHO.

        • JohnR

          And thanks to Zeph, too, for reacting to the continuing, usually hate-based, garbage that BHO is a Muslim.

          And as I’ve said elsewhere on this websute, BHO is a Christian who came to Christianity as a young man – all by himself – and was baptized as an adult in the Trinity United Church of Christ. You’ll find two pretty objective articles about this on The first, at

          is titled “President Barack Obama”, dated 01/30/2012, and written by By Mary Fairchild, Christianity Guide.

          The second, at

          is titled “Barack Obama’s Religious Beliefs & Background: What Does Barack Obama Believe? / Barack Obama has a More Religiously Diverse & Secular Background than Most”, undated, and written by By Austin Cline, Agnosticism / Atheism Guide.

          These encyclopedic articles are written by in-house experts at; this onetime portal is virtually unassailable. The second author, Austin Cline, “has been actively involved in educating people about atheism, agnosticism, and secular humanism on the Internet for over 15 years”, according to his biography. So, here’s an expert on atheism, etc. telling us all about BHO’s CHRISTIANITY! Hard to argue when an expert on the “opposition” tells you all about the evidence that confirms that “he ain’t one of them”.

  • Jeffrey Engel

    It always impresses me at how much the right wing nuts hate America. The USA is a great country because of its embrace of diversity. The argument against Obama is that he is not a White Christian, and the article clearly states that the only people Root and followers consider ‘true’ Americans are his definition of White Christians. I sincerely hope Obama will win, and fear for this country if Romney, with his proposed return to the policies of Georgie-Boy Bush that bankrupted this country both financially and morally.

    • Paul Wells

      You couldn’t be more deluded if you tried, Jeffrey Engel! And, just a little secret. Every time your lower lip quivers and you say…but..but…Bush! you lose all credibility on this blog! But…go ahead…take another hit off your bong, and ‘splain it some more.

      • JON

        Jeffry Engel was simply stating his opinion. You, on the other hand, were dismissive, insulting, and rude. But hey, that’s pretty consistent on this website for people who don’t lean to the right and may have a different opinion than yours. That of course is only your opinion. As this has been mine.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      Bravo… Truth Can be a Beacon…

  • RichardLucas

    this in many ways like is was during carters term ,lost in a land slide .and this is what will
    happen in Tuesday election , Obama will become a peace of toast. he has lost the election on the remarks he made when he said for people to vote for revenge,if that isnt something to say from a president to say.. he is a very sick man if you can say he is a man
    he is nothing but an Arab , and I do not like /Arabs.
    Richard Lucas

    • JON

      Obama is an Arab now?!? Well then, that would make you an overweight blonde woman in mom jeans with 12 kids. Of course, neither are true.

      Have a nice day!

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Dumb, & Ignorance, Is Your Strong Point. If Majority are with you… We need the Electoral College to Fix the Problem!

  • Jerry Whitworth

    God Bless America while we still can. Vote Mitt Romney!!!

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      If God does bless America… Mit, will be put back in Church. Out of GOVERNMENT!

      • nickkin

        God has blessed America….party is over…..anti-god people want to do it themselves..God has lifted the veil….your on your own athiests and muslums…America will have to bless God first before He gives any more to America.

        • Bert Cundle Sr.

          Your Discription of God, SHOWS you don’t know God! “Can one Create them self?” God is / was / will be; Much more than any paticular form… ( Not He, She, )

  • John

    First of all, Mormons aren’t Christians, They’re a cult. Secondly, only LIBERTARIANS are interested in protecting personal Liberty, not the American Taliban.

    Thirdly, the notion that Obama is some kind of radical muslim is just dumb. Is Osama better off than he was 4 years ago? Are we attacking the WRONG COUNTRY and wasting $3T if our TAX $? Fortunately, ROBERT GATES, the ultimate problem solver laid the right strategy in the WoT…and now it’s time to go home.

    Reagan allowed over 300 American to perish in Beirut. Was he a Muslim supporter?

    Osama has been asleep at the wheel re: the economy until the Explainer in Chief, well explained it to him. The Tea Party hasn’t created a single job. I know these guys in Texas they’re a bunch of CROOKS, and not the folks Ron Paul sought to All they’ve done is to play chicken with the economy almost destroying US’ credit status.

    Here’s what needs to be done:

    1. Lower business tax rates, while closing loopholes

    2. Retain low tax rates and low capital gains, except for the top 2% who would pay ar rates similar to the 90s.

    3. Lower small business taxes.

    4. Reduce regulations on business (W actually signed off on more regulations than Obama), except for banks and the currency, the only real responsibilities of Congress in business beside protecting intellectual property

    5. Reduce the US presence in the Middle East

    6. Protect personal Liberty and Local Control

    7. End the FAILED WAR on DRUGS



    Peace. Out.

    • BR549

      First of all, John, all of what say sounds well and good …… if what we were merely dealing with was a consciousless Congress, a corrupt Exectuve Office needing to be shamed into submission, or flat-out stupidity and/or malfeasance throughout government as a whole.

      It isn’t. These people WE have elected, the same ones who had taken an oath of service; it is THEY who are marching to the tune of the globalist drum, behind the backs of hard working Americans, who had placed their faith in their elected officials. The same people who we had been trusting had turned, long ago, to the dark side of humanity, themselves having no faith in the direction of mankind. With that depressing thought, they figure their best bet is to just take care of themselves and let the cards fall where they may.

      Had these officials truly believed in what they were doing, the words out of Obama’s mouth, for example, might actually bear some resemblance to reality and not the globalist fairy tale that has been perpetuated throughout BOTH the Democratic and Republican administrations over the last 20 years.

      Until people wake to what is REALLY going on, Obama and Romney will continue to pontificate, ad nauseam, about the useless aspects of whatever fictitious country they have been talking about.

  • richard

    I’m tired of the political Kabuki Theatre Scherade. The whole election reminds me of one big whooped up NFL football game………it really doesn’t matter which team wins….neither will effectively change your life. Quit believing in the FAUX system.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      IN FULL VIEW: Don’t forget the ” E X T O R T I O N of the FUND RAISING…

  • harleydavidson

    I read in another news that 48% of Catholics still support obama.

    obama voted against Born Alive Infant Protection Act (2002). While in senate, obama voted “present” 90% of the time, but on this bill, he made sure he voted “against” it. This bill was to save and protect infants born alive during abortion. The bill was sent to Congress when a baby was born alive during abortion. Instead of keeping the baby alive, it was tossed in the garbage. A nurse testified to Congress that she picked up and held the baby in her arms until it died. Obama voted against this bill. Even Pelosi and Reid voted for it. The bill passed. Remember, this bill was NOT about pro-choice or pro-life. It was about protecting born alive infants…BORN ALIVE. obama could not find in his heart any compassion and morality to protect live babies.

    Shame on the 48% Catholics who profess their love for God and yet support a man willing to let born alive infants (during a botched abortion) to die.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      harleydavidson: What are you doing to abolish the Helmet INFORCEMENT Laws? To return them to CHOICE as Should be??? ( Life begines at CONCEPTION not PERCEPTION!)

  • NoteToSelf

    Although the polls are close the political experts have already said a Romney electoral win is impossible. Thanks to the “winner takes all” in lost cause bankrupt overridden states like California Romney won’t get any electoral votes from any of the people who vote for him in those formerly great states. Doesn’t matter if he is close in the polls, don’t the experts know what they are talking about?

  • Liberty Lover

    If hurricane Sandy helps to deliver Tuesday’s election to Obama by enabling him to “act” Presidential before a hopelessly gullible electorate, what started as a major tragedy for much of the Northeast will have become a tragedy for the nation.

    • deerinwater

      Well, it worked so well for Bush! why not! hahahah hehee!

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      His Duties NOW… Are to get the INSURANCE COMPANIES to Pay! NOT TAX PAYERS!!!

  • deerinwater

    I don’t know about that ROOT, , finding a good Christian is about like trying to find a 15 year old virgin. ~ i DON’T THINK THAT YOU’VE GOT THE NUMBERS.

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    The Declaration of a close race… Leaves the decision to the Vote “COUNTERS!!!”

    • Richard

      You mean the vote flipping electronic voting machines designed by Diebold.

      • deerinwater

        Financed by Matt Romney? You got to hand it to the Romney acumen regarding good business investments. ~ Voting and rubber machines ! Now why didn’t I think of that?

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        & in some cases… others with a vested intrest in the result!

      • deerinwater

        results? ~ Pop one and win a Mother-in- Law , that’s results!

  • Ricken

    Most of these posts are focusing on religion as the basis for the predicted landslide. I believe that is a factor but I also believe that whether or not you are a practicing “Christian” there are just a lot of angry, fed up citizens who see someone who is strategically dismantling the fabric of our constitution. That in conjunction with Wayne’s perception is a model for what hopefully will be the end of a frightening period in our history.

  • RichardLucas

    if you think I am dumb,if you are for Abumer than you are the dumb are the dumb one,you had better go go back to school and get a refund your education did not do you any good
    Richard Lucas

    • http://none Charlie

      Small point,,, put your hat on it and go join up with the other “”Point , No Point”” nitwit , Frank , that says he’s from the tribe of Judah ,but, does not know that King Jesus IS from the tribe of Judah… Meanwhile….
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

      • Frank Kahn

        Assuming facts not in evidence again chuckles? Calling me names will not change the facts. And, my refusal to participate in your inane Bible thumping does not prove a lack of knowledge. Perhaps, I even missed your post where you inquired as to the lineage of Jesus. I know I did not miss it because you did not address Jesus by name in any genealogy question.

      • deerinwater

        They seem to be saying. that Jesus was an Alien, not to a country but a world. ~ While they don’t approve of aliens so much. ~ ain’t that a kick in the head?

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,
        Well,,? just what is the name of King Jesus Christ ? in plain Okey English??? Dummy!
        ha haha hab Meanwhile………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          If you are replying to one of my posts, please reference it

  • Richard


    If you travel around the world you will see that the USA no longer has a distinct advantage technologically. The US has fallen to 12th place as far as the highest standard of living. All the Scandinavian countries and Luxemburg now exceed us. Our debt to GNP ratio is abysmal and getting worse.

    The US Constitution is for all intents and purposes a dead document and the USA has warped into an Empire from a Republic.

    The US public education system scores behind many nations in the area of science and math.

    And the population of the US is more interested in NFL football, home delivered pizza and a 6 pack of beer than in any other meaningful and intellectual discussions.

    America is now a third rate zombie nation that resembles the country in the movie: Idiocracy.

    And for those of you who don’t pay attention, the people with money and who are interested in prospering and being free have begun to emigrate to other nations.

    I’m sure this posting will infuriate many and will illicit stupid and ignorant responses. Don’t expect a reply. America deserves what it is getting and electing any of the two frauds for POTUS will not change a thing. America is headed towards 3rd world status. Sad but true.

    • deerinwater


      If you travel around the world you will see that the USA no longer has a distinct advantage technologically. The US has fallen to 12th place as far as the highest standard of living.”

      Two protracted unfunded wars with zero booty in them except for Dick Chaney will do that.

      Other nations moved on as we played in the sand. ~ and we’ve only ourselves to blame for this.

      Vote GOP one more time and go hide and see what happens.

      • BR549

        I hope, Dear God, you’re not expecting Obama to do any differently. And this crap about a “race for the stars”; that race, at the current stage of human evolution, is solely to get there before someone else does, which is hardly the mindset one might hope we had evolved toward in seeking more knowledge of the Universe. No, we’re still stuck on this rock BECAUSE of the greed, the avarice and the mindless attention to stupid stuff.

        As long as political stooges like Obama and Romney continue to dance under George Soros’ and David Rockefeller’s strings, and mindless twits continue to be dazzled by baseless promises, we have no business even thinking about contaminating the stars because any race already out there would only see us as cosmic white trash.

        Rockefeller admittedly belongs to an elite, whose purpose in gaining global world government is AT THE EXPENSE OF ANY AND ALL NATIONALISTIC AND ETHNIC INTERESTS, thus, rather than actually EARN our right to explore the cosmos, we have dysfunctional sociopaths like Soros and Rockefeller, both Bushes, the Clintons and the rest of that gaggle of selfish misanthropes deciding to step into mankind’s big-boy shoes while still at the age of three. Perhaps a more apt analogy might be that of a 10 year old grabbing the keys to daddy’s Corvette, thinking that all he had to learn was how to turn the keys and start the engine.

        Social responsibility, whether here on Earth or out in the Cosmos, must go far beyond that, and our illustrious globalists, like the 10 year olds above, believe themselves to be competent enough to represent the human race, while it still tramples on members of its own kind on what it perceives to be a race for the stars and their own immortality. What a great way to represent Planet Earth. Yeah, we’re ready ………. NOT.

        • Richard

          You are indeed one of the few who has done your homework and understand the real power structure behind the scenes of the sociopaths. I only wish more people could have the scales removed from their eyes.

      • deerinwater

        BR549 says:
        November 3, 2012 at 5:34 pm
        I hope, Dear God, you’re not expecting Obama to do any differently. And this crap about a “race for the stars”; that race, at the current stage of human evolution, is solely to get there before someone else does, which is hardly the mindset one might hope we had evolved toward in seeking more knowledge of the Universe. ”

        Tell me something! ~ do I sound like a man with a short view too you?

        It’s a yes or no question.

        Just like the early Portuguese,Viking sailors, we have sent out exploration parties and only in 300 years time, might it bear fruit. Don’t be so naive or short sighted in matters of mankind and his potential to endure and thrive.

        We are blessed, truly blessed with a Universe to explore!

        All other things are but stepping stones to this end. It’s wise to know your purpose .

        At some point in history, it will require a consolidated effort to achieve this and there will be a one world government. You will like it, you will have no choice and know no different. But you and I will be long dead.

        But don’t worry, it does not concern us now, your socks will be forever found in your sock drawer, right where your woman that tends to you place them for you to find.

        And you ask me what Obama will do? ~~ Obama will work to keep the wheels on our wagon as long as he can.

        • BR549

          “Tell me something! ~ do I sound like a man with a short view too you? It’s a yes or no question.”

          It isn’t a yes or no question, not at this point of discussion, since you obviously missed my point, but if you insist on an answer, YES, you do sound like a man with a short view, as long as all you can only focus on is a yes or no answer.

          And you stated, “At some point in history, it will require a consolidated effort to achieve this [expansion outward into the Universe] and there will be a one world government. You will like it, you will have no choice and know no different.” ……… and, “But don’t worry, it does not concern us now, your socks will be forever found in your sock drawer, right where your woman that tends to you place them for you to find.”

          Look, Deersquat, we aren’t going anywhere in the current state we are in ….. and it is NO ONE’S or NO GROUP’S right to deny others a chance for self determination along that path to one world government (OWG). Sure, if will make you happy, for sake of argument, that OWG might better be described as a One World Prison, but then, is that really government; certainly not through the consent of the governed.

          As a race, we have to earn it. England had tried to conquer the planet, and indeed, it arrogantly believed it had the right to do so, as did so many other countries with their own Caesars and Napoleons. England has probably given us the worst example of failure in its implementation. Today, we are buried with the vestiges of Admiralty Law, the Universal Postal Union, and the UCC; all of this designed to bury those at the bottom to favor those at the top. Thomas Jefferson stated something to the effect that now that we have this new government, we must educate everyone as quickly as possible so that everyone understands what it is that had been fought for. If you think for one minute that those people who control our government, not those running it mind you, are ever going to be willing to see that happen?

          I don’t have a problem with OWG in the distant future as long as people are gradually educated to truthfully understanding its merits. Putting fluoride or lithium in people’s drinking water so that they are less likely to object is hardly a democratic process toward that end. The fact is that, at this time, within our current state of world politics, mistrust, and deceit, we have no place even considering contaminating any other part of the Universe with our aberrant thinking. You may feel that all races within the Universe had to go through that same process that we had. I disagree. We really have no idea.

          You stated, “And you ask me what Obama will do? ~~ Obama will work to keep the wheels on our wagon as long as he can.”

          Those wheels belong to the wagons of self-serving globalist elitists as they roll over the bodies of dead American, Iraqis, Afghanis, Guatemalans, and Native Americans. Their goal isn’t to embrace humanity and journey out among the stars in a never ending thirst for knowledge; rather, their goal is to downpopulate our planet to a level where the population is enough to support only them being power with everyone else being forced into servitude and taking that mindset out into space, assuming themselves to worthy of having tea with the Creator. You need to read Agenda21 and start putting these pieces together. That’s where we are headed under them, not toward some idealistic and futuristic New World Order that traitor GHW Bush tried to sell to us.

          The problem is that …. you still believe in Hope and Change [I had been sucked into it, too] and that none of the other candidates are measure up …. OR … are electable enough. If Obama or Romney were discussing the issues as was discussed during the Third Party debates, and the Dems and Reps weren’t having to steal votes to win, disenfranchising segments of the voting population (including some veterans on the line), and tampering with electronic voting software, I’d say we might be much closer toward your goal. We ain’t there yet, and until mankind, as a race, learns how to play nice, being sent to his room here on planet Earth until he understands what he did wrong might not be such a bad restriction. Again, we ain’t there yet and the current globalists with all their henchmen are using OWG as a ruse to gain control for themselves, NOT for the betterment of mankind. They, including Obama and Romney, have learned nothing.

          Kennedy learned. He broke ranks with that dysfunctional power elite and decided to tell the public the truth, but he, unlike Eisenhower, who was an old man on his way out of office and by that time of little consequence, still was capable of deterring US policy away from the globalists’ goal. Before he could cause any more damage, he was taken out. These are the people controlling our election process.

          • deerinwater

            “Look, Deersquat, we aren’t going anywhere in the current state we are in ….. ”

            It’s Deeinwater, ~ Butt Lick and you just answered your own question.

          • BR549

            ““Look, Deersquat, we aren’t going anywhere in the current state we are in ….. ”
            It’s Deeinwater, ~ Butt Lick and you just answered your own question.””

            It wasn’t a question ……. Christ, you can’t even spell your own name. Was that last spelling supposed to be Peeinwater or what?

            I noticed you didn’t touch on any points of the argument.

    • http://none Michael Westrich

      Right on Richard. Everything you said is true. We are indeed a “has been” empire in it’s dying days of “beer and circus (NFL)”, with an ignorant electorate that has been “dumbed down” by the most expensive and least performing public school system on the planet. Hate to say it, but we do have it coming.

      • Richard

        I take absolutely no joy in saying it and certainly wish my country could turn things around. But I believe this is the beginning of the end of this nation which was once the shining star among nations.

      • BR549

        Michael, again, right on. For those who can remember PapaBush’s syrupy New World Order speech, he was selling his country out to the globalists; trying to convince us all why we needed to get on board with NAFTA and, basically, just giving up our Constitution in order that we all be trampled by the UN’s globalist dictates. Treason runs in the family.

        Our Constitution, on paper anyway, had become a model for other countries to aspire to; parts of were modeled after the Bible, the Magna Carta, and John Locke’s treatise on natural rights. The unfortunate exception being that corruption has still been able to creep into the picture. That doesn’t mean the document was poorly written or has somehow become archaic, only that, as in 1776, it was a work-in-progress.

        Anyway, after Bush41 showed his true colors, every president we have had since then has only brought us further into the crapper, not because of any one man or poor choices, but because they understood that, were they to attempt to inform the American people of the truth of who controls our government, they’d wind up taking a dirt nap right beside JFK. That’s why we always go downhill from one election to the next, because eviscerating the US economy was the globalists plan to begin with. It’s why every election always seem to come out to 51%-49% or some other nonsense, because that way, everyone wastes their energy wondering how the other half of the population could be so stupid. But no one ever questions the long term pattern because they can only remember the last four years.

        We have become a third world country, alright, that has the luxury of a slow, lingering demise, solely because we have managed to bamboozle other countries into believing we should still be the world’s major currency. That is all changing, and life is going to become really different around here, real quick, no matter which of Romney or Obama gets into office. The Jobs numbers, the Dow, it’s all smoke and mirrors; NOTHING will improve until our elected leaders come clean and start telling the truth, but with the Rothschilds and Rockefellers at the helm, that isn’t likely to happen.

    • deerinwater

      BR549 says:
      November 4, 2012 at 8:30 am
      “Tell me something! ~ do I sound like a man with a short view too you? It’s a yes or no question.”

      It isn’t a yes or no question, not at this point of discussion, since you obviously missed my point, but if you insist on an answer, YES, you do sound like a man with a short view, as long as all you can only focus on is a yes or no answer.

      And you miss my point Buttwipe, ~ It has nothing to do with “LIKING” ~ That you or I don’t like what the future holds will not change the future. ~ At the most , we might only delay it.

      The progression is inevitable.

      • BR549

        deerinwater says @ November 4, 2012 at 9:16 am

        “And you miss my point Buttwipe, ~ It has nothing to do with “LIKING” ~ That you or I don’t like what the future holds will not change the future. ~ At the most , we might only delay it. …….. The progression is inevitable.”

        The progression is inevitable? Hardly. You missed the discussion on another thread about the end result of neurobiologist Robert Sipolsky’s baboon troop stress experiments, what happened when the self appointed elite of that group became victims of their own greed, and after those elite killed themselves off, the troop went back to nurturing each other and lovingly picking fleas off each other. I didn’t expect you to understand that point, anyway.

        Well, my next volley was to discuss man’s faith in God, or some god, feeling somehow responsible or accountable to some higher power other than his own ego, ….. or, by your “inevitable” path, falling victim to his ego and using any and every excuse to justify anything his twisted mind can concoct to save himself at the expense of everyone and everything else in his contorted view of a path to the divine. So much for a higher ideal. Do you worship Satan often?

        As I said before, we ain’t ready.

      • deerinwater

        ” Do you worship Satan often?”

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      • deerinwater

        “As I said before, we ain’t ready.”

        I never suggested that we were. What is it about a long view that you fail to except?

        While in most likelihood, most people will never be ready. ~ We, as a world of people will send out seeds ~ that’s the optimistic view or we will return to the stone age and possibly be forgotten as a race of “being” or something in between.

        In any case, it really doesn’t matter today, unless we budget more then we can afford to see these ambitions come true. ~ that too has happened before and will most likely happen again.

        Either, we won’t see it, which could be a good thing.

        The uncertain is always scary ~ while some little Hobbit’s have always enjoyed a walk-about, wanting to know what is on the other side of the mountain. They climb it because it’s there and they can.

      • http://none Charlie

        Tell , Brain [comment has been edited] 549 to read the one page book of Obadiah,,,

        Charlie Freedom

      • BR549

        deerinwater says: @ November 4, 2012 at 12:28 pm

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        For crying out loud, can’t you at least insert a smidgeon of relevant dialogue into your diatribe? People are taking pot shots at each other here and elsewhere because they are frustrated and angry. They are angry with the degradation of the system, the elected officials who allowed it to happen, and most of all, although they haven’t come to realize it yet, they are angry with themselves for still not finding peace with their decision. They beg for the truth and for someone to deliver it, only to have to continually deny they are being used by the system that continually enslaves them ……. and you want to know if I beat my wife. No hotshot, one thing my dad always taught me was …. you NEVER hit a woman; for reasons I’m sure you wouldn’t understand.

        • deerinwater

          It’s was rhetorical match to you question that was falsely predicated and has no answer BR549. I was making sport of you.

          Well, I don’t control other people that are not under my charge and there is question to just how much control I have with those that are. If people elect to be unhappy, miserable and cynical that is for them to address and not I.

          I accept that my mojoe works but it might not work on you. This dysfunctional behavior is not anything new. Some people love misery, some people will do everything they can possibly do to spread it.

          If people can’t control themselves, what they choose to think, believe , how they behave , what makes them think that they must control others or they should be allowed too?

          I hate to see this presidential race so close, it doesn’t speak well of America today. While I will live with it and you will too. ~

          • BR549

            deerinwater said @ November 4, 2012 at 6:32 pm
            “If people elect to be unhappy, miserable and cynical that is for them to address and not I.”

            And, “I accept that my mojoe works but it might not work on you. This dysfunctional behavior is not anything new. Some people love misery, some people will do everything they can possibly do to spread it.”

            And, “If people can’t control themselves, what they choose to think, believe , how they behave , what makes them think that they must control others or they should be allowed too?”

            And, “I hate to see this presidential race so close, it doesn’t speak well of America today.”

            It’s probably why we never see any landslide victories anymore; because the numbers are always being fudged toward a 51/49 split. That way people are less likely to blame the system or the corrupt government; they just take out their frustrations on each other and never bother to consider that they’d been played like a cheap flute by the globalist elite.

            Thanks for taking the time to explain. We have a long row to hoe.

          • Richard

            The American people are mere “ping pong balls” in the global game they like to play. The elections are a fun facade they like to set up giving the American people the phoney joy and the excitement of an NFL football game. They like the cliff hangers of the 49/51 split right down to election night. This has happened over and over again and people actually believe they are really given a chance to vote for someone that will make a difference.

            “None are so hopelessly enslaved, then those who don’t know they aren’t free”. –Wolfgang Von Goethe

          • http://none Michael Westrich

            Richard and BR549, you guys have both done your homework, and while my commentary may sound without hope, it is actually quite hopeful in the eventual fulfillment of the promise of our Lord. Much of what we are witnessing, has all been prophesied. The two puppets running for president, are mere theater for the mostly ignorant electorate, and were preordained by the global “powers to be”. Neither will restore economic balance in Washington, or substantially affect the economic, social, or moral decline of our former republic. The illusion of freedom and meaningful choice that is perpetuated by the mainstream media, is just another propaganda tool of the global elite. I can only pray that this all plays out better than it appears to be headed.

          • BR549

            Michael Westrich said @ November 4, 2012 at 8:59 pm
            “The illusion of freedom and meaningful choice that is perpetuated by the mainstream media, is just another propaganda tool of the global elite. I can only pray that this all plays out better than it appears to be headed.”

            As much as many cannot yet see the connection, this is all approaching biblical proportions, and while I do not profess to be a practicing Christian, I do believe in Christ ……… and accept Buddha, Vishnu and Mohammed for what they attempted for their individual followings. It’s just that my upbringing is more familiar with Christ.

            I honestly don’t believe that Christ, Buddha, Vishnu, or Mohammed, for that matter, would approve of any of their “children” playing so rough in the big sandbox; that each of their followers would hopefully learn to grasp the larger picture and not feel the need to play with AK47s or M4s. Anyway, with that, I’m inclined to wonder what Edgar Cayce, Nostradamus, and the Mayans were all getting at. It doesn’t require believing that the world will end on December 21st, only that, like the moon affects people’s behaviors when full, we need to be mindful of change.

            Sorry, I digress ……..

          • deerinwater

            “”None are so hopelessly enslaved, then those who don’t know they aren’t free”. –Wolfgang Von Goethe” Good Quote!

            I really don’t know very many people that would really like to know how it feels to be free. Free of your job, your children, your family,your government. your responsibilities, your possessions.

            There are few living things that are not social in nature. An old male bear perhaps.

            To be free is to be alone. If you were truly free, ~ you would have little use for any government and all of this political passion would not even exist.

            Farm animal are much the same as mankind, ~ We had an old Ram, he was given to us as a young billy goat, having no other sheep or goats on the place, Pringles found good company with the horses. He had three choices, live alone. hang out with the cows or horses. He knew he wasn’t a horse.

  • deerinwater

    Europe has been busy ~ making socialism work to their advantage. You look at the older developed cultures of Europe and there go we. ~ Don’t like the news? I understand, ~ but get over it..

    The human race is in a race for the Stars ~ this will require a one world government in good time.

    Ain’t that a kick in the pants! ~ The good news? ~ you and I will be long dead..

    The questions you and I might have as to how this might occur ~ does not concern us today.

    Carry on. ~

  • Liztalk

    A lot of racist drivel, hate-mongering and mostly FEAR-MONGERING on this webpage — in the guise of caring, concerned, patriotic Christians. You said true Christians would not vote for Pres. Obama. I think you need to look in the mirror and see your true motives. Ask yourselves — why are you so full of hate and fear?

    • JohnR

      Too busy hating and fearing to look in the mirror. And, apparently, for Mr. Root, there’s a very good living in it.

      The premise of this article is refuted by the fact that Obama is a quietly devout Christian, who is serious about his faith to the extent that he keeps his family’s worship out of the public eye. Obama was raised in an atheist household, and, as a young man, found the Lord all by himself, and became a born-again Christian. Please see “President Barack Obama” in the nonpartisan “”, dated 1/30/12, at

      • Frank Kahn

        I read the article, and you are misinforming us with the statement he grew up in an atheist household. First, there are at least three households to examine, his mother and real father, his mother and the Indian father, his mother and grandparents.

        I do not know the procedure to go from Satan worship (islam) to atheist, so I cannot comment on that household. His step-father was Muslim, which made that household either Muslim or Muslim / Christian mixed. His final phase of childhood, as stated in the article was with NON PRACTICING BAPTISTS AND METHODISTS, not atheists.

        Also, since this is based on Obama’s words, a person needs to believe that he is truthful in his assertions. I have heard too many lies to make this assumption of him, and his personal policies are not according to scripture which leads me to believe he is not as Christian as he professes.

      • BR549

        “…… Obama is a quietly devout Christian, who is serious about his faith to the extent that he keeps his family’s worship out of the public eye. Obama was raised in an atheist household, and, as a young man, found the Lord all by himself, and became a born-again Christian. ….. ”

        Oh, please, any Christian who had promised to bring the troops home would have done so by now. The guy is a flaming globalist and refused to disclose his loyalties to NAFTA before the last election; anything to get elected. Had the voters heard that he was just ANOTHER in a long line of globalist traitors (Bush, Clinton, Bush), trying to sell us out to UN domination, he never would have gotten elected; at least by anyone with a minimum of two warm brain cells. So, he kept quiet.

        Fast forward to March 16th, 2012, when he signed an executive order, which was just too coincidentally IN LINE with the Bushes and Clintons’ path under the UN’s Agenda21 objective. But I guess you knew all about that, right?

        I suppose you also knew all about the LRAD devices that Bush the Idiot funneled to the former Soviet Georgia to support anti-terrorist training there that was a ruse to push the Russians further away from the Ossetia oil pipeline. Well, that engagement was the first major crowd control use of LRADs and now, they are in virtually every National Guard bunker across the US. But I guess you knew that, cuz you’re so smart.

        Under Obama, like both Bushes and the Clintons, millions of people have died as victims of globalist hegemony. But I guess you knew that too. It wasn’t because of the Iragis, the Afghanis, the Somalis, the Egyptians, or the Libyans; it was because of globalism wrapped in the US flag and it was all paid for by you and I because legislators on BOTH sides of the aisle were flaunting a contorted new definition of patriotism and just couldn’t say no to their globalist bosses, lest they wind up in yet one more “mysterious” small airplane crash like Paul Wellstone, Ron Brown, Jaime Hurtado (Ecuador), Omar Torrejos (Panama), or partake in a two bullet to the back of the head suicide.

        It’s obvious that YOU HAVE NO IDEA about what is REALLY going on in this country. The issue isn’t solely about Obama, any more than it’s about that maggot infested Bush family; it’s about corruption and a complete lack of spiritual, moral, and ethical values in favor of greed, power and wealth. Bush managed to convince millions of gullible American voters the HE was a devote Christian and a follower of Christ. What a load of crap that was, yet people believed it, and just because Obama has given off this latest messianic persona and promised Obama-phones to everyone, doesn’t mean he’s the Real McCoy. He is just one more in a long line of political impostors professing to represent the best interests of the American public.

        • JohnR

          The sole, limited purpose of my post was to address the question of whether or not Obama is a Christian. I answered the question by citing one nonpartisan article by a reputable source. Space and format – these are comments, not essays – suggest one reference is enough, though that particular source has the advantage of citing other links. I said nothing about any different, or larger, issues, as these are irrelevant to my point. In particular, I do not feel qualified too judge Obama’s behavior as “Christian” or “non-Christian”, as I definitely do not possess the omniscience of God the Almighty.

          You have digressed into some very interesting assertions. Unfortunately, while you cover a good deal of ground, you do not offer any objective factual support for your opinions. I am writing to suggest that you reply with references, with hyperlinks, as a service for anyone who is intrigued by your constructs.

          Than you.

      • deerinwater

        “Oh, please, any Christian who had promised to bring the troops home would have done so by now. ”

        Oh please, it took 5 years for Nixon to get us out of Nam and it was a much shorter war.

        I don’t know how much experience that you have had with such matters but it does require time to stand down and pull-out, it’s a delicate process and made only more so by an enemy that is your friend by day and your enemy by night.

        And it’s unclear what being a Christian has to do with it.

        • JohnR

          Did you post in the wrong place, perhaps by accident? Your reply has nothing to do with my post.

      • JohnR

        I’ve just read some replies to my post that references an article that asserts that Obama is a born-again Christian. This has engendered attacks on me. In reply to these very “un-Christian”, offensively personal, attacks:

        To Frank Kahn: Yes, indeed, there were other influences in Obama’s childhood homes besides atheism. My point is that none of the spiritual influences, in the traditional sense of “spiritual”, were Christian. Obama came to Christianity on his own.

        To Mr. Kahn and everyone else: When I present a simple fact, as stated by a nonpartisan reference, you all go off on elaborate opinions that have, at best, only a tenuous tie to my post. And you shoot the messenger. Beyond your unnecessary and reprehensible personal attacks, where is the support for your assertions?


        • Frank Kahn

          I did not attack you personally, I just pointed out the facts of his childhood spiritual influences. I am not sure what proof you are talking about, his religion or his non Christian actions. I am providing a link to a list of his anti-religion actions if that is any help.

          • deerinwater

            1. Acts of hostility toward people of Biblical faith:

            April 2008 – Obama speaks disrespectfully of Christians, saying they “cling to guns or religion” and have an “antipathy to people who aren’t like them.” 1

            February 2009 – Obama announces plans to revoke conscience protection for health workers who refuse to participate in medical activities that go against their beliefs, and fully implements the plan in February 2011. 2

            April 2009 – When speaking at Georgetown University, Obama orders that a monogram symbolizing Jesus’ name be covered when he is making his speech. 3

            May 2009 – Obama declines to host services for the National Prayer Day (a day established by federal law) at the White House. 4

            April 2009 – In a deliberate act of disrespect, Obama nominated three pro-abortion ambassadors to the Vatican; of course, the pro-life Vatican rejected all three. 5

            October 19, 2010 – Obama begins deliberately omitting the phrase about “the Creator” when quoting the Declaration of Independence – an omission he has made on no less than seven occasions. 6

            November 2010 – Obama misquotes the National Motto, saying it is “E pluribus unum” rather than “In God We Trust” as established by federal law. 7

            Hmm? We got us a real “Outlaw” here!

            It would appear that Obama has worked hard to be every Americans President , by taking steps to void offending one by pandering to another while pacification from the Bully Pulpit. I see no harm or foul.

            Government does not need to be in the Jesus business unless you believe a faith based government is somehow working for the Muslim world. Government is a collective institution in nature. Most would agree it just marginally works as it stands. To introduce more religious protocol and symbolism pandering to noise self absorbed Christian will be our undoing.

          • sarge1964

            Sir, Thank you for the documentation. I personally appreciate it.

  • JohnR

    The premise of this article is refuted by the fact that Obama is a quietly devout Christian, who is serious about his faith to the extent that he keeps his family’s worship out of the public eye. Obama was raised in an atheist household, and, as a young man, found the Lord all by himself, and became a born-again Christian. Please see “President Barack Obama” in the nonpartisan “”, dated 1/30/12, at

  • Ann

    oh you poor delusional people first Frank Jesus is also Judge not God the Father he gave everything to His Son . To Jeffrey Obama isn’t a black christian either, he is No Christian, to who said he is a born again christian you are really gullible You don’t do the things Obama has done if your a christian,( google georgetown unniversity). that is just one of many things he has done. But putting all of this aside because you don’t want to hear it. Bottom line people Obama is the biggest Liar and sneak. You fools want to give him four more years to bury our country ,because the last four years was the best time in our nation’s history. Grow a brain you blind fools. If he is re-elected I blame all who voted for that fraud for our country going to hell. One more thing Billy Graham isn’t endorsing Obama so that should tell you true Christians something if your really a christian . Most christians love Mr Graham and value his opinions and wisdom.

    • deerinwater

      Well? ~ I never cared from Billy Graham myself, ~ and isn’t he dead? ~~~~ So screw you and your ideas about what it means to be a Christian. I would would not want to to be associated with such a club of such dysfunctional human beings.

      • deerinwater

        did you get that? ~ should I say it again? ~ Take you Christian assets and go play with yourself.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      Billy Graham … The Wolf in Sheep Clothing…The Fox in the Hen House…Politics is getting so bad… that politicans are reaching out to faith opperated people, Racial opposition, to avoid a Supportable Platform!

      • nickkin

        Would that be similar to pandering the Unions , Bert ? The Unions…robber of workers with or without a gun……they preach how good it is to be a union member but I think their definition of member is using it as a tool, against their members!

        • Bert Cundle Sr.

          You don’t like UNIONS? You can do better on your own… You can Save for your Retirement & Save for your Hospital needs. You can get your own jobs… Than I pitty you…

      • deerinwater

        tlgeer quotes and responds ;

        “We need to consider that the majority of those who are for abortion, by a very high percentage, are men. Is that a hoot, or what?”

        I do not know anyone who is pro-abortion.

        I say; ; Thank you Tigeer for shagging that loose fallacy. I had reminded myself to get back too it, nor wishing to allow such a statement stand and not addressed by brighter minds. The pretense was false.

    • Eyeswideopen

      Ann,I guess those Christians didn’t like Romney or else, since a rape is a gift from God, this too must be a gift from God!! How is that working for ya? You should be thanking God, that we have a President who will protect all womens rights and not just what you think those rights should be, Not all of us want some man dictating to us what to do. This is after all the 21st Century, or didn’t anyone tell you that? Oh, that’s what happened, women decided to hell with all those radical white men who don’t know that a pregancy can not be avoided by some secreation during rape. Why would you let these idiots who are ignorant about womens bodies tell us what to do? Well, whom ever is responsible, did a great job. What is the penalty going to be for abortions? Jail time? That is a large number who will be going to jail, who will support their children? Talk about growing government…hyprocrites band together!

      • Frank Kahn

        Gloating is really bad manners, and when you tell absurd lies on top of it it is totally disgusting. If you can find any statement made by a campaigning politician that said rape is a gift from God, I will personally pay all your bills for the rest of your life.

        And abortion is not about your right to chose how you use your body. It isn’t really about abortion in the long run. It is about sleazy women who want to play but not pay so they kill their babies. If the pregnancy is from rape then abortion is marginally okay. And, Obama is not the savior of women’s rights. Actually a university poll showed that 56% of women are against abortions, so how do you get to choose that it is women’s desire to have abortion legal?

        And dont call good hard working conservatives hypocrites because they dont want to pay for your abortions or pay to raise your “unwanted” children. Both of those are on the woman (and the man who got her pregnant), the only hypocrites are the people that think they should get to kill innocent babies just because they didnt think before having sex.

        • deerinwater

          “If you can find any statement made by a campaigning politician that said rape is a gift from God, I will personally pay all your bills for the rest of your life. ”

          “October 24, 2012 4:43 PM
          Indiana Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock ignited a firestorm in the campaign when he suggest that a pregnancy resulting from rape was “a gift from God.” As Wyatt Andrews reports, Mourdock complained that critics were twisting his views but has since apologized.”

          What he said verbatim ;

          ““I struggled with it myself for a long time but I came to realize that life is that gift from God and I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”

          Read more:

          Mourdock is saying that rape was “intend” ~ So from just about anyway a Christian view might view this , a “gift” or a “curse” ~ to believe that God can be held responsible of everything that happens is absurd anyway. ~ This is a fallacy and the weakness in many Christian’s thinking process.

          My mother has a better view, ~all the God comes from God and all the bad comes from the Devil.

          Mother and Mourdock are both lost in a maze Christian notions of Rightfulness as Jesus’s teachings tell us to hate the sin and love the sinner.

          The victim of a rape has to work though this sinful act of another and it’s for her and the church to do and not for government to interfere in this process of personal healing.

          • Frank Kahn

            I can see where you might “infer” from what he said that rape was intended or made to happen because of God, but that was not what he said. I was not saying anything about personal logical assumptions (inferences) that are based on what he said, I was simply speaking about actual words. And, he did not say that “rape is a gift from God”.

        • sarge1964

          We need to consider that the majority of those who are for abortion, by a very high percentage, are men. Is that a hoot, or what?

          • Nick Czudy

            Sarge. I have enjoyed your views and comments. You are a shining example that there are some rational and decent people on both sides of the aisle. These comments are not specifically directed to you, but more as a summary of comments that I would have liked to say to many of the people on this blog.
            I am happy to see the outcome last night. The GOP have only themselves to blame.
            There needs to be some way for them to vet the extreme candidates from running. Is the GOP going to be highjacked by the Tea Party and become a party of angry, obstructionists or will they move a little to the center and be conservative. The definition of conservative is that they are not extreme. Now this is my opinion, that the Right seems to be the 1% that want to keep their status quo and their growing wealth, and the christian minions that believe the lies that are being told to them from the 1%, to make them believe that it is best for their souls and salvation to keep the 1% in power. That is why the GOP supports, the military complex, the existing health system, the oil and resource mongers, the wall street financial companies. These greedy people want to keep and make more money and they are willing to sink tons of money into the pockets of the politicians who will keep them at the top. In my opinion it is in the pockets of the GOP that the majority of this bribery money is going. The statistics over the last two decades show that the percentage of money that is owned by the top 1 or 2% has been growing, while the middle class has been shrinking. This is not a formula for any long term prosperity and growth for a country. I am also a disgusted at the states, with Republican governors that have been so blatantly obstructing the vote and making the voting process so difficult. Florida is the worst example. Do not even attempt to give the excuse of voter fraud. We all know that is a smoke screen. Gov’s. Scott and Casey should be shown the door for their antics in this election. Then there is the voting machines in Ohio that were changing votes for Obama into Romney votes. This brings back the 2004 election which should have been a Gore win. Apparantly Bain Capital has some vested interested in one of the voting machine companies. Is there no dirty trick that the GOP is not willing to do, to wrestle back the power? This is what has happened to the GOP and it is the farthest thing from the definition of a Conservative and Christian minded party.
            What I hope to see now is that all Americans will come down hard on Congress if it goes back to the obstructionist ways as before the election. If Americans are truly wanting to see economic growth and jobs, then there needs to be some give and take on the majority US Congress. Americans need to email and tweet all of the GOP majority that they will not stand for obstruction in the house. Compromise. Give up your iron stance. Congress had a 11% favor ability last tern. This rests on the GOP side of the house. these congressmen, should have their paychecks held back if they do not do their jobs. Some countries would even consider this treason and would hang them. Make life difficult to them. We have the social media to turn up the heat on them. Listen to what Romney said in his closing speech about reaching across the aisle and coming to a consensus. It was a very eloquent and inspiring speech. Will the GOP electorate, that still remain in power, accept that Americans are fed up with the bickering in the house and that compromise does not mean that the Democrats have to come to the viewpoint of the GOP. It means that both sides need to give up some of their ideals. So this is a time for the GOP to decide what they truly stand for. If they want to get in power, their policies will have to come more to the center and less to the fringe.

          • Frank Kahn

            You are “marginally” right, bipartisan is a coming together with compromise to achieve a solution. Your mistake is the same one made by so many people in the last 4 years.

            Blaming the GOP for a lack of bipartisanship is myopic at best.

            You say that the Republicans have to learn that it doe not have to be all their way.

            Well, the Democrats have to learn that it does not have to be all their way also.

            The phrase “working together” does not mean that one side gives all the concessions.

          • sarge1964

            Thanks for your kind comments, they are appreciated. However, I would point out that I am a fiscal conservative and a devoted Christian. Make no bones about it, I make my mistakes too, and plead for forgiveness every day. Frankly, I am not happy with the course of events in this election. I do not agree with the tent being set up outside one of the voting places, giving out free Obama phones to anyone who voted for the incumbent. However, that is what democracy is all about, and the democratic wave of people spoke and the majority rules and Obama is again my president, too. It is my “personal opinion” that those of us who really believe that a conservative government is more productive and those of who strive hard to be like the Lord as a Christian will have a very hard time over the next four years. I have lived in countries which were socialistic and it was not fun. It seems that we will face the implementation of more socialism in the next four years and once laws are made, functions are set in place, and ideas are solidified, they are extremely hard to replace with more democratic views. Thanks for listening.

          • Nick Czudy

            Sarge, I would like to point out that I am a born again atheist. That means that I grew up as a Catholic(are Catholics Christians?) and bought what I was told, hook, line and sinker. It took a lifetime of education and life’s experiences, for me to realizing that God did not exist and why he was invented. Please do not take offense. Your life experiences have made you what you are and there is no need to apologize for that. I guess that I do not mind if a person, believes what they do, as long as they do not try and push their views on me or my children, when it is a matter of opinion rather than truth. I also make mistakes and I do not ask for forgiveness unless if it is from my wife and family, I suffer the consequences if it is a business mistake and I suffer loss of income, or I try and make amends if I have wronged someone else……………………………… ,………………………………………….
            I would be curious to know what your opinion is on the bible being assembled by a Pagan King Constantine, about 300 years AD. That it was made to bridge differences between the two main religions at the time and decisions were made as how to depict Jesus as a God or a mortal married man. I understand the need for this historical document, at the time, and its importance in history. I just do not understand how people today spend their lives analyzing this book forwards and backwards for its every word and meaning. One person can read a part and say that it means this and another says something altogether different. But I do not believe that it be the blueprint for our modern life today………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
            Now I have not heard anything about the giving away of free cell phones to anyone that voted for Obama. I watch all of the media, including FOX and have not heard of this. So did this come from Rush or Mr. Root? Could not a person that voted for Mitt have said that they voted for Obama to get a phone? So I cannot believe it at this point. Obama mostly got most of his money from grass roots supporters with small donations. Mitt got 100′s of millions from large interests, such as Sheldon Nelson and the Koch brothers. Guess what, if Mitt won, do you not wonder what Mitt would be expected to give in return for their contributions. Sheldon is in court for bribing officials in Macau dealing with his casinos. It has the potential to cost him billions of dollars in fines and loss of income. His 100′s of millions donated to Mitt is a drop in the button for him, what he would save if the charges were dropped against him. The Koch brothers would have Mitt remove EPA regulations so they will make billions more. Obama had a few donations in from large donators like John Stewart and Hollywood stars, but all of these put together do not match what one of the large donors gave to Mitt. So if Obama was giving away phones, then that money came from small donors and had no strings attached……………………………………………………………………………………………………………. What I did hear about was the voter suppression that was implemented everywhere, there was a Republican Governor. Now instead of preventing a handful of fraud voters from voting illegally, it instead impeded 100′s of thousands of legitimate voters from voting. Now that is immoral and should be illegal. …………………………………………………..The many myths of Obama being a socialist and hating business are insane and is one of the main talking points in Mitt’s campaign. For everyone living in the bubble, they ate this up, and were believers. Unfortunately for independents and everyone else, they were lies and mis-information and recognized as such. I have been a self-employed business man since I have finished school. I have never made more than $250,000.00 in any year,. I am a small business. Obama has helped businesses like me many times in the last 4 years. when he wants to raise taxes for the wealthy making millions, it will only make their contribution more in line with what the middle class has been paying for decades. The statistics show that during the last 4 years of this recession, that the wealthy has prospered and increased their share of the total countries wealth. They have not suffered in this recession. To balance out the amount that they pay with the rest of the country is not being mean and oppressive to small business. The GOP have been making this point that raising the taxes on the wealthy is hurting small business. Small business are not the wealthy. This is a white washing that the GOP and Mitt has been deceiving us during this campaign. The top 1% of individuals and business’s (Corporation’s are people too) have made record profits while the rest of the 99% (Which includes small business) have felt the recession. this is the only area that can be said that Obama is raising taxes, for the top 1%. This is not hating small business………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
            As far as Conservative governments doing the best governing, I respectfully wish to disagree. The GOP in congress have done nothing but impede every effort to help the economy.. The myth of liberals spend and Conservatives save and have small government is a myth. The previous Bush government has blown the economy and was responsible for the financial collapse. Obama has lowered the deficit in his 4 years and is creating jobs, He has reduced the number of government civil servants and spending slowly, as it should happen. A sudden purge of spending, over the cliff, that the tea Party would be happy to see, would instantly cause another recession. . That is what was done in Greece and it is odd that they criticize Obama for going in the socialist direction,. A sudden stop of stimulating would tank our economy . . It is time for the Conservative congress actually do something for the government instead of trying to make the Obama government fail. My opinion is that Democratic governments do a much better job of governing. The economy is more pro business and capitalist friendly. This is a GOP bubble talking point. No one believes it except the right wing. Conservatives once in power try and put too many social laws into effect like repealing abortion.and less on the economy. they talk less government, but want government poking their power into the lives if individual people……………………………………………………………………………
            So do not despair. You will not lose any of your religious freedoms. You will not lose your right to have guns. (I take exception to assault weapons) , you will see that the economy will improve. It will improve faster if Congress co-operates and does something useful. The country will not become more socialist. As more jobs are created more people will come off of food stamps and social benefits and pay more taxes and the deficit will become balanced and the debt will be slowly paid back. You will not lose any of your freedoms and unless you are one of the 1%, your taxes will come down and your family GDP will increase. You and your children will be healthier with the cleaner air and less pollution and maybe the world’s oceans will stay lower and not flood out millions of Americans that live on the coast. Now isn’t that a heart warming thought? haha. I I am sure that you now have a aura of optimism surrounding you now. I am sure that I have not changed your mind. That is my one time evangilistical rant. But it was a slice as I better get back to work or I will not have any income to-day and no one will give me a cent if I don’t earn it myself.

          • richard

            Nick, I have a book I’d like to suggest which is interesting reading especially since you seem to be knowledgeable about Emperor Constatine who gave us the modern Bible and Christianity as we know it today. The book is called Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola. Used copies can be found on Amazon at reasonable prices. It was one of the most interesting books I’ve read in years. Well worth reading.

          • Nick Czudy

            Thanks for the tip Richard. I found it online and I am downloading it. I will have a look at it. I am intrigued by this peace of history,. As it seems to undermine the bible as being the word of God and instead the word of an Emperor. I do give the Bible the due respect of being the world’s most important document. What I question is the number of people world wide that treat it as the word of God and parse it forwards and backwards and bast their whole lives on this book. It is a shame. thanks for the tip. Warm regards NickCzudy

          • Frank Kahn

            Global warming, caused by humans, is a myth.

          • Nick Czudy

            Hi Frank. How do you support that statement? 99% of the world’s scientists think that humans are accelerating Global warming. It is not just precession, if that is what you are thinking. Or natural causes. My son in law, is an expert on the Ozone layer and learned under the world’s top atmospheric expert at MIT. He assures me that mankind is shaping this world and weather through the burning of Hydrocarbons. I do believe him and he is a very educated and smart man. You don’t expect me to believe Wayne Allyn Root or other right wing experts that live under the bubble? Do you?

          • Frank Kahn

            No, I expect you to recheck your facts about who agrees with this, 99% of the worlds scientists do not believe it is human caused. You might find out that over 77% disagree with your son in law. And as for the Ozone layer, that was another myth propagated in the 70′s about depletion of the Ozone layer.

            Actually carbon dioxide is not near as bad as methane gas in terms of global warming. It is 20 times as bad at trapping heat in the atmosphere. Our (human caused) production of methane gas has not risen very much in the last 20 years, and ruminants like cows are almost as bad at producing methane gas as cars are at carbon dioxide.

            The ‘FACT” that you put forth that 99% of scientists agree with your son in law was a myth perpetrated by someone with little intelligence, no scruples and who is a major hypocrite. Al Gore, the famous plagiarist, with his “An Inconvenient Truth”, is one of the main suspects in the origin of this lie.

            If you think I am wrong in my assertion that the majority of scientists are on my side, I challenge you to provide me with substantiation of your claim.

          • sarge1964

            The facts are, if we are concerned about the problem of carbon dioxide, there is a simple solution. Plant trees. One tree absorbs 200 pounds of carbon dioxide each year. Instead, look around us, we are cutting trees so we can bury the earth on concrete.

          • Frank Kahn

            Thanks, I failed to mention that possible solution to the carbon problem. I was more vested in countering his assertion about the scientific community.

            There are also programs looking into the problem of methane production of cows to reduce those emissions.

          • sarge1964

            That is correct.

          • deerinwater

            As an Plumber/ Air-Conditioning Contractor since 1978, I find myself slow to engaged this lively discussion. I have had to conform, it’s been mandated and enforced and I have no say in the matter.

            And I really don’t think the scientist and engineers are that far off base in regard to earths atmosphere. Stable compounds are very slow to decompose ~ It takes up to 150 years for some man-made compounds to decompose. One of the most stable and best nature occurring compound that can be employed as heat transfer medium is ammonia. ~ while 1/50th of a lung full, and you will never be the same. It will change your life, if you still have one.

            This leaves us to search for a compound that is very unstable, decomposes quickly , transfers heat efficiently and is more user friendly. This has been done, but it was only because of a seen “need to” and it didn’t have quickly, ~much expense and trial and error was involved.


            Change, by nature is inconvenient. As a tradesman of 43 years, I can tell you two things, ~

            There is good money in selling convenience and all that glitters is not gold.

          • Frank Kahn

            Some of that is confusing, since cfc and hcfc are ozone depleters that increases ultraviolet radiation hitting earth which is not a cause of global warming. It was more a concern for harmful UV damage to life on the planet. Since that is the main thrust of the Montreal Protocol, it does not really have anything to do with global warming with the exception of the replacement gas of HFC which has an extremely high infrared absorption property which is an extreme danger for global warming.

            As I understand it control of HFC falls under the Kyoto Protocol instead.

            I am old enough to remember the devastating effects of the CFC phase out where automotive AC is concerned. The old CFC AC was much more effective at cooling the passenger compartment. But, comfort sometimes must take a back seat to environmental safety.

          • deerinwater

            Well this is true Frank. I think the term “global warming” is somewhat misleading, so to might be said of the cause, where natural or man-made. For clarity of any statement must be qualified to be accurate. We can’t afford to get to lazy on the key board attempting to discuss such a issue and made sweeping statements.

            The global overview is, that the planet is experiencing overall warmer conditions. While at the same time, some areas of the world are experiencing just the opposite with cooler weather or milder climates.

            Our global Weather is a wonderful example of cause and effect with Newton’s 2nd and 3rd laws of gravity in full effect, along with many other factors that I’m not bright enough to discuss clearly, much less detail.

            We had an event occur in Greenland, I think that it was earlier this year that is worth mention regarding rapid ice melting. ( let me see if I can find something on it, hold on)


            This is scary, ~ this rapid event is not a good thing and many feel a precursor to things to come. An Ac & Refrigeration man like myself cannot help people exposed to such a rapid shift in weather other then comply to mandates that are attempting to address such problems.

            But what is equally of great concern is that the run-off of this much ice melting cools our oceans and shifts weather patterns, not to mention raises sea levels.

            as I understand, the US Navy has budgeted heavy future spending in infrastructural to address this projected rising sea level. ~ (I would not begin to know how to verify that spending, maybe someone here does)

            There has been a storm going on ~ on Mars for a 100 years.

            It is nothing required of a storm to just stop inside the live span of a human being. This statement might be seen as taking things to the extreme but we do need to make a serious effort to understand what we are dealing with.

            Our Weather is “Heap Big Medicine” and deserving our fullest attention as we go about human endeavors to control desired “creature comforts”

          • deerinwater
          • tlgeer


            “No, I expect you to recheck your facts about who agrees with this, 99% of the worlds scientists do not believe it is human caused.”

            If you’ll go back and read what Nick said you’ll find that he said that humans are contributing, not causing, global warming.

          • Frank Kahn

            His reply was to my assertion that “global warming is caused by Humans is a myth”, by extension, I believe he was attempting to say I was wrong. His assertion about 99% of scientists being on the side of humans being the culprit is 100% wrong.

          • BR549

            Frank wrote: “Global warming, caused by humans, is a myth.”

            I agree, except for one thing. The aluminum and barium salts that the government has been dropping on us for the last 20+ years, SUPPOSEDLY to reflect sunlight back to space, has also been prohibiting heat from dissipating back out to space during the night.

            It’s hard to say which aspect has been more pronounced (the reflection outward during the day or the insulation during the night), but considering that global warming has actually taken a dramatic increase since around the time of this global chemtrail program, and that the government had tried to keep it quiet for so long tends to tell me something is fishy.

            The Carbon Tax scam may very well have been hatched much longer ago and they could have been intentionally pumping up the temperature all this time just to have an excuse to grind the world economies into the ground …… and look where we are?

          • Bert Cundle Sr.

            It’s a Rip – off!

          • Sarge

            The fact is that I am not in despair, because I know who I am, what I am, where I am, and where I am going. You mention a whole lot of things that I have no concern over. My income is not and never has been $250,000. My mean income has always been in the area of $35,000 as a public school teacher. I do not have that income now, as I am retired. No one helps me make my decisions as you seem to suggest. I am a pretty savvy person who figures out things for themselves, or at least tries too. Although, in the 1970s I bought a slide set for my children the box of which was stenciled “A 12 year old child can put it together.” I sure wish I knew that 12 year old child, because I never figured out how to attach the slide. My dear wife and I live very comfortably and owe no one any money at all. That includes mortgage and cars. We did this having never met Dave Ramsey. As far as the Bible is concerned, I am a pretty dedicated student learning more from it and changing preconceived ideas all of the time. Yes, I believe the Bible to be the inerrant word of God. In my mind there is no way the Bible could have come from Constantine. I am a bit of a history student, too. If that sticks in your craw, I am very sorry for you. Notice, I have never attacked you because you are an atheist. I have my own feelings concerning those who do not believe in a Supreme Being, which the Bible calls God. That is your choice and I have a right to my choice. It seems to me that this does not make either of us a monster. As far as economics is concerned, I do the Math. If my money runs out before the month does, I have no one to go borrow money from, nor can I print more flat money. If my money runs out before the month does, I have no one to blame but myself. I have said enough.

          • Nick Czudy

            Hi Sarge. I did not intend to infer that me being an atheist was something that you were dissing me for. I mentioned it as many of the people on this blog use it as a derogatory put down on anyone that is not Christian and bible believing.
            I have read the bible once during my education in University, I studied it as a historical document and then a few years ago, I found out that it came from emperor Constantine. ” In tracing the origin of the Bible, one is led to AD 325, when
            Constantine the Great called the First Council of Nicaea, composed of
            300 religious leaders. Three centuries after Jesus lived, this council
            was given the task of separating divinely inspired writings from those
            of questionable origin.” anyway, it seems to be a fact that one of the mail issues was how to depict Jesus. One was as a God and therefore he could not have been married with children, the other was to show him as a man with a wife and family. Well we know what happened. Anyway the main issue was that is was assembled to keep the pieces among the 300 religious leaders of that time. So I am one to believe that this is an important historical document ………………………………………………………………………………… I get visited by Jehovah Witness’s that visit me three times per year and each time they bring a higher biblical scholar each time. I take great delight in picking holes in the conclusions that they come up with each time they read a selection. it reinforces each time, how deluded they are and how much of their life, they are wasting trying to analyze every word. they usually slink out of here with their bibles tucked between their legs and I often wonder if they will come back. But this is the last of my evangelizing the gospel according to Nick…………………………………………………………………………………………….. Now I have had only one year that I made $140,000.00 the rest of the time, I draw close to what you are making. So I am right there with you. Now my point was that Romney and the GOP are always making the talking point that Obama wanted to raise the taxes for small business. that is a lie. Small business is business’s like mine. We seldom make more than $250.000.00 which is the red line over which, Obama wants to let the taxes cuts expire. I am OK with that. You and I would have our taxes reduced. For us, there is very little that is left over for us to invest in cayman Island tax shelters. We will spend and circulate all of the money that we made throughout the system, stimulating the economy and creating more jobs. If we gave the 1% the tax cuts, they will likely invest if offshore to pay an even lower dividend rate and that money will not circulate throughout the country and will not trickle down, creating jobs. that was tried by Bush and it failed. Many experts have written that it does not work.
            What our government does during times of recession is what I might do to support my family when I lose a job, due to bad economy. Rather than let my family starve and become desperate and take to a life of crime, stealing food from neighbors and grocery stores, I would borrow money on my assets and feed my family and use it to find another job. The premise is that I will pay off that loan when the times are better and my income rebounds. That same function is what the government does when the economy is bad. It is to prevent even more problems, and the premise is that they will pay it back when the times are better. the Tea Parties extreme zeal to cut the deficit, is what happened in Greece and Europe and that is why they are having such a rough time. The USA and Canada are in a much better condition as our governments have stimulated and used the power of the government to stabilize and promote work and an improvement of the economy. It cannot be done haphazardly and callously. It has to be done surgically and with care. This will bring about a slow and solid return to prosperity. I truly believe that this approach is the sure way to get our economy going and that is the policy of what Obama is doing. Another blogger had reported how much Obama has been lowering the deficit in each of the last 4 years. It is a lie to depict him as a out of control spender.
            So that is the gospel according to the book of Nick, psalm 32, line 12. But you do not have to believe me. haha. It has been a pleasure to humor you. regards Nick Czudy

          • http://none Michael Westrich

            The GOP has problems for sure, but it is the wishy washy moderates that need to be vetted (i.e. Mitt Romney, George W, etc.). Without immediate budget/spending cuts, the Govt. will shortly become insolvent, be forced to print more fiat paper money to finance both the budget and service the debt, eventually causing the dollar to collapse. Go ahead and roll your eyes, but I will say I told you so.

          • tlgeer

            “We need to consider that the majority of those who are for abortion, by a very high percentage, are men. Is that a hoot, or what?”

            I do not know anyone who is pro-abortion. At all. What they are is pro-choice. Which means that because when a fetus becomes an actual person is a matter of belief, and cannot be determined by science, that people other than those personally involved should not have a say in it. At all. Deciding to have an abortion is a deeply thought out and emotional decision. Nobody has the right, no matter how strongly they feel, to come between the person carrying the fetus and their G-d.

          • sarge1964

            Dear Lady, Sorry to disagree with you. There was a poll by a major credible polling institute, I believe a university, that was out yesterday. In which the poll showed that by a large majority more men are “for” abortions, than women. I wish I still had the poll and would show you; however, it showed emphatically that more men, by a disproportionate percent, were for abortions. It did not show that more women or men were “pro-life,” but “more men were for abortion.” Maybe because they are more determined to cover up their indiscretions. I personally feel that life begins at conception and if a person can be charged with vehicular suicide for killing a mother who is carrying a child her womb, why is it that a person cannot be charged with homicide for performing, having, or participating in an abortion. On the one hand a child in the womb is a person, by law, while on the other hand a child in the womb can be aborted, by law, without consequences?

          • Frank Kahn

            If you are talking about the same poll that I read the results of, it was about the percentage of people who were against abortions, not pro-choice. And, if it is then you have the genders reversed for pro-abortion.

            This is a quote from the article I read.

            “One of the central myths in American politics is that women are more pro-choice than men,” Karen Kaufman, an associate professor at the University of Maryland who has researched the gender gap, told Yahoo News.

            In 2011, 59 percent of men and 56 percent of women said in a Gallup poll that abortion should be legal in no circumstances or only in a few

          • sarge1964

            it was not a Gallup poll, it was conducted by some university. It is really a moot issue.

          • tlgeer

            That is only pertinent if the child is viable (able to live outside the Mother’s body).

            And while I respect your beliefs -I- believe that you do not have the right to make YOUR beliefs into law.

          • sarge1964

            I am unable, as a single individual, to make anything into law. Though a Christian with a reliable belief in the Bible, I am a plebe just like you. The power is and always has been with the unbeliever. It is ludicrous how you seize upon a part of a post, but ignore the very purpose of the post. You seem to be very selective with your closed mind.

          • Frank Kahn

            Actually, tlgeer, your statement about the most people wanting abortions is men is false. Or, at least there is a research study that shows it might be that women are more “for abortions” than men.

            I am providing a quote and a link to read its source.

            “One of the central myths in American politics is that women are more pro-choice than men,” Karen Kaufman, an associate professor at the University of Maryland who has researched the gender gap, told Yahoo News.

            In 2011, 59 percent of men and 56 percent of women said in a Gallup poll that abortion should be legal in no circumstances or only in a few.

            Now, the way I read those numbers, it means that 54% of women and 51% of men are pro-choice (for abortions), which would make it women who are the biggest supporters of abortion. But by a slim margin, so it is not really a gender thing.


      • deerinwater

        Frank Kahn says:
        November 7, 2012 at 11:03 am
        Actually, tlgeer, your statement about the most people wanting abortions is men is false.

        Tigeer was quoting someone Frank, she didn’t say that. but only responding to it.

        • Frank Kahn

          You are right, I read her post incorrectly, I should have stayed with saying she was wrong about scientist not knowing when life begins.

  • Harry Anderson

    Has anyone considered that for the fist time in the history of the United States we are voting for two men to be president, neither of which is a Christian? I firmly believe that for Mr. Wayne Allyn Root’s predictions to be accurate, the silent majority, namely Christians, must stand up and be counted. This is one Bible toting, scripture quoting, gun carrying Christian that will stand and has already voted for that which I believe will turn this nation back to God. I have spent many hours studying with Mormon Elders who came to my door and though they are deluded, they do have a semblance of belief in God. The fact that Governor Romney is a Mormon, will have a lot less effect on US going down the tube, than President Obama, who not only is not a Christian, but stated himself in one of his books, that if a decision came down to supporting the Muslims or not, he would lean toward the Muslims. It is time to change CEO’s in the US.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      Neither being a Christian… L.O.L. One was a Preacher! The other was more to his Moms Beliefs, of Christianity. bur Respected other beliefs! Christianity is the Camel Caravan back in time with the Bible! “I am in the HERE & NOW!”

      • sarge1964

        Neither of the are Christians by a Biblical definition. Your ignorance of what a Biblical Christian is, I find priceless. You do not have to worry, you are going to be okay. Do not write back, I am not interested.

        • Bert Cundle Sr.

          [ A closed Mind... Learns Nothing ! ] Obviosly; The Biblical Christianity ( Drpending on which Bible ) Christ was a Politican… Evan if he was right in “His Teachings”… His Party, Turned it around for their profit; ( $ & Power) I am so open minded that I Don’t care!!! Just I will Fight the INFORCEMENT of it on me or others! ( Has many times tn the past!)
          People that read the bible, can get different perceptions of the text. That is why there so many different Religions of Christianity. ( Brake-aways.) I Realy ENJOY “My” interpetion!

          • deerinwater

            ” Christ was a Politician” ~ no,~ not really, Christ was the light and the way. He spoke of a Kingdom not of this world so how could he be a politician? Salesman? Sure. Prophet, ~ not so much. Teacher? ~ You bet ch’a.

          • Bert Cundle Sr.

            Christ Defined: ( Origionaly) ANOINTED ONE! ( Choisen one,) That is what the DECIPLES were to find… Each had there own teachings. Realiseing that each was a Child of God!. They Crucified The Nazerene for Claim of Being “the” Son of God!

      • sarge1964

        Sir, I apologize for denigrating your intelligence, that is not usually my nature. Your reference to Christianity being archaic, “Christianity is the Camel Caravan back in time with the Bible!” set my teeth on edge. I do express sincere regrets that you do not find the Bible to be relevant, it happens that I do. You have the right to your opinion and I have the right to mine. Again, I apologize for the reference to your “ignorance.”

    • deerinwater

      Well Harry Anderson, both men claim to be Christians, ~ That you do not believe this to be so ~ is at the heart of and the very reason for separation of Church and State. As we see, you are willing to openly say, ~ that neither man is the kind of Christian that you recognize. What if I am not your kind of Christian either?

      • sarge1964

        You will have to read your Bible and make your own judgment on that matter. If anyone in this discussion cannot accept another’s comment without taking issue with it, questioning one’s integrity, using language that is unacceptable, and otherwise violating the policy for making comments, then none of us are worthy to participate in the discussion. Mr. Root expressed his opinion in the article he wrote. That is the beauty of “freedom of expression.” If we do not like someone expressing their opinion, then we do not like “freedom of expression.” I do not agree with a lot of those making comments on the matter concerning Mr. Root’s commentary, I do. However, you have not seen anything I have written taking some else’s comments to task, questioning their integrity, intelligence, or their opinion. My comments have not been directed at anybody who has posted and my comment did not have to be edited because it did not meet the policy as stated by the site administrator. If anyone thinks otherwise, I am sorry for them. Filthy language, denigration, criticism, and gutter talk are not a part of my vocabulary.

      • deerinwater

        Well, Sarge I will confess to the filthy language . ~ after months of every Simple Simon making sport of my handle ~ I called them a Butt Wipe , personal attack answered with a personal attack.~ other them Ann’s retort , of kissing Obama’s a$$ ~ I have not seen that much Filthy language on this thread. While again I confess, I am notorious to infer it in the ugliest of terms.

        As for Comments ~ all comments are fair game and subject to attack. so be prepared to defend your statements. ~ Only in that way ~ can there be any notion or hope for honesty to prevail.

        It ‘s fun! jump in and say something that you believe, ~ with or without support and allow the forum to work it’s magic. Wear your nose guard.

        • sarge1964

          Some things do not need a defense.

  • jopa

    Mitt Romneys father was born in Mexico because his father moved their to avoid political and religious persecution.He wanted to have several wives and enjoy the commune style of living like all the other Communists of the world.Basically Mitt has more Communist roots than any of the candidates this year and the GOP pick him.Mitt loves Communism so much he even owns a company in China and is invested heavily in other Chinese ventures.To me he is very far from being a true red white and blue American.He really thinks of himself as the King to be and all others are peasants.Like Ann has said that it is just his turn.Yah Right.

  • Ann

    deerinwater- [personal attack deleted]

    • deerinwater

      Ah! Grammar police, I take it that you did not approve of the message. ~ I should have proofed it. ~ Still, ~ pretty good for many of the letter worn off my key board.

      I never cared for Billy Gramm ~ Jimmy Swaggart, James Farwell myself ~

      See how you have shown me your Christian a$$? Did Billy Gramm teach you that?

      and that is what I mean about the defining of a Christian. ~ You are the kind of Christian I am talking about. You say that you believe yet not strong enough to apply it or to walk by faith and not by sight. You are offended! Why are you offended? How can I possible offend the strong in faith?

      And you call me the moron ? ~

      Quote; ” If he is re-elected I blame all who voted for that fraud for our country going to hell. ”

      Now, from a grammar standpoint, this sentence appears to be missing a word, or it’s structure needs work, what Ann seems to be saying in pompous Christian fashion, if everybody does not agree with her , they can go to hell.

      or she is saying, she blames everyone that votes for Obama for our country going to hell?

      I would only say, Ann seems most familiar with Hell, which is good , maybe she will know how to pack for the trip.

      And for the record, ~ Obama didn’t create this current state of affairs, while it is true that he is having to deal with it.

      • JohnR

        Hey deerinwater:

        LOL! Wherever you gained the skill in parsing and deflating BS, it’s great. And herein, there’s plenty of grist for your mill, too.

        Thank you.

    • Frank Kahn

      Ann, I usually sit quietly and observe some posters, until I detect something that is patently wrong with their posts.

      I did not object and attempt to correct you when you told me that God is not the Judge.

      I did not, immediately, jump in when you said that MOST Christians like and agree with Billy Graham. And, now you say that MOST CHRISTIANS care what he says. I would like you to clarify the position of caring attributed to Christians towards him. And maybe, just maybe, provide us with a statistical analysis of the number of Christians (world wide) that feel this way.

      I dont like him myself, this is a personal feeling towards any and all evangelists who use the TV for getting massive donations from Christians. I understand he has done many things that are seen as good for the world, I do not say he is a bad man, just not my idea of a perfect Christian role model.

      But, Billy Graham aside, you have, in this post, committed a verbal attack on someone in an non-Christian manner.

      You said ” you pompous ass. You never cared for him because it is obvious your not a christian I said Most Christians care what Graham has to say, got it STUPID.”

      Now, I left out the reason you called him a pompous a$$, it is quite possible that his keyboard did not register his attempt at typing an R at the end of YOUR, making it YOU which sounds wrong. I have followed his posts here and have not seen any indication of him being STUPID. I certainly dont think you have the right to call him STUPID just because he does not like Billy Graham. And, calling him a jerk and telling him to endanger himself by playing in traffic is very hateful which is not being a good Christian. Nor does, not caring for Graham prove he is not a Christian, God did not say anywhere in the Bible that Christians have to like a particular person to be considered a Christian (with the exception of God and Jesus).

      • http://none Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        You false Jews are the ones that “”Puffed”” Billy G” in WRH’s Newspapers way back in the late 50′s ,,,you ought to like him,,,.BUT!!!,,,show where Billy G” EVER preached Acts 2:38 as salvation???? IF,,, you find it,,,We’ll buy a copy at any Jew price……..
        Billy Graham was / is one of the Worlds Best false prophet preachers,,I loved him and still do,,,because he got Me and millions of people into The Bible,,,you see God can take a false prophet preacher and do good with him,,,see Romans 8:28… Meanwhile..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          First, if you have some form of proof of your imaginary claim about false Jews, please feel free to show the actual proof (Bible citations not accepted). Why would I attempt to find a saving grace of a man I dont like?

          And your disparaging Jews is wrong, it is only in your “unconsidered” opinion that we are all false.

  • Bert Cundle Sr.


    • nickkin

      The repubs have decay but with more teeth yet….the demons have an empty decay…awaiting free false-teeth with a handout..any obama dollars left, Bert….and to think that there are more of you Sr.

      • deerinwater

        Oh get real! ~ The GOP needs to offer the American people an “electable candidate” that appeals to more people without spending tons of money to do it spreading fertilizer.

        It’s not rocket surgery or brain science. ?????

        Guess I’ll watch some Fox this morning and see how this results is being offered to the disappointed and delusional.

        • http://none Michael Westrich

          Have to agree with you on an electable Republican.

        • sarge1964

          Hey deerinwater, You say things in such a way that many of your comments make me laugh and laugh. I do not mean that I am laughing at you, you just have such an affable way of stating things. I guess I am one of those disappointed ones, but you are right. The GOP needs to present a viable candidate. Neither McCain nor Romney were very strong candidates. McCain did not run in a manner that indicated he really wanted the office. Of course, some vote on the historical basis. You know this, but the GOP needs a complete change from within and without. President George Washington in his farewell address begged that the people would not split up into parties. He knew the division this would cause. Sadly, he was right.

          • deerinwater

            Well Sarg, while I am a democrat, a very conservative one, there is more that unites us then divides us. I do attempt to employ humor in much the same way as Samuel Clements and Will Rodgers , men I have always been quite fond of. Humor lifts the spirits, ~ and I loved them for the joy of a good laugh. I’ve enjoyed studying the life’s of both men in detail over the years.

            I met a decedent of Will Rogers on a blind date once, ~ and though she was quite a large woman, 15 years my junior , I fell in love with her when she told me. ~ that she liked to get behind as quick as she could so she had the rest of the day to catch up. ~ the wit clearly ran in the family. She had a mind like a steel trap. She was my Gracie Burns for many years, ~ George Burns was indeed a lucky man and life was never boring.

            We have to laugh at ourselves to stay sane. ~ just some of the greats Phil Silvers, Uncle Milty , James Carlin ~and today this Lewis Black cuts it to the quick.


        • tlgeer

          I agree, deer. I watched the GOP primaries in awe. I found no credible Presidential candidate among them. I wasn’t really wild about Romney either. I kept waiting for Huntsman. I would have liked to see more of him. HE seemed sane.

          Watching the GOP primaries, I kept thinking of a clown car at the circus and thought, and still think, that if the GOP doesn’t get itself back towards the middle that they are killing their party.

          Then there was Donald Trump, the lifelong Democrat, suddenly switching sides and trying to pretend that he had been there all along.

  • Ann

    Well I know your going there ( Hell) because it is obvious you don’t have Jesus as your Savior but He is mine. I never claimed I was a perfect christian but God still loves me. As for Obama no he didn’t create it, he added to the mess our country is in. Do you even know what christian is? I highly doubt it . I am done talking to mindless windbag who can”t think of any of his own words to write. Did you look up pompous because your picture is there. Go keep your lips glued to Obama’s ass.

    • deerinwater

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      I take it that you are done? Good! Thank you for showing us your notions of being a good Christian.

      Now that we have heard from the American Taliban and how she feels about personal liberty and our freedom of speech, what doubt is left in our mind as to who best serves the governed? A self-serving salesman that believes the bible is short a book and has elected to add one or practicing Christian that thinks the bible is just fine the way it is?

      You don’t approve of the words of Jesus or is it a matter that they are only for you to use exclusively to serve your purpose?

      There was only a single instance where Jesus was ever offended and that was when he threw the money changes out of the temple. While this is the same man that was tempted by the devil himself and faltered not in his faith nor was he offended with the proposal but only said, “Get behind me Satan” ~ or to say only ~ leave me.

      • sarge1964

        Right on target deerinwater. Where does this one get off calling themselves a Christian and purporting how much Jesus loves them, and then use gutter language in the same breath? This is one of the things that puts a bad taste in so many people’s mouths, those who make the claim, but do nothing but talk the talk and do not walk the walk.

  • JON

    Romney landslide? Nah!

    With the Dow Jones Industrial Average doing so well, Obama should ask Romney if he is better now than four years ago. Romney is one of the extreme rich getting way richer.

    Also, with the Super Pacs funneling millions of dollars from major doners into Romney’s campaign, I wonder just whom he will owe if he were to become president. So much for the democratic process!

    • sarge1964

      Jon, you know that you and I would like to be in the top 10%. Truthfully, I do not wish to be filthy rich, but would not mind being a little dirty. Ha! Having money is not a problem. The problem comes when we lust after it making money and riches our God. Some very rich people do a lot of good with their money and for all I know, Romney may be one of those.

  • Rosegarten

    Sound like y’all are concerned about outside forces doing harm to America but the enemy is right here amongst us. Just wait til the high priest of the Mormon cult get through. And to think, the Christians voted for this high priest of another God and you predict a landslide. My, my, how we can lay aside what we believe to have the power this world has to offer. And then you will say it was God’s will, wrap it in the flag and call it patriotism.

    • deerinwater

      Who said I have seen the enemy and he is us?

      Best Answer
      A comic strip character named Pogo. The actual quote is: “We have met the enemy and he is us”. Pogo author, Walt Kelly, first used the quote on a poster for Earth Day in 1970. For more info, visit

    • tlgeer

      Wrong. They said the same ignorant things about Catholicism when JFK was running for President. Didn’t happen, did it?

  • jopa

    Mr. Root must be a rich man doing a lot of wishful thinking to save his riches.However I think this election will be close and the Senior Citizens of America will give President Obama a victory.For them to vote for Romney would mean vouchers for Medicare and increase their costs for health insurance by thousands.Romney wants to privatize Social Security like Bush wanted to.If Bush had succeeded Social Security claimants would be broke today.Under Romneys plan he wants those 55 and under to pay for Social Security and Medicare for todays seniors but it won’t b there for them when they need it.How ridiculous is that.Anyone having a mortgage , kids in school or college will lose big time having nothing to deduct on their taxes.Romney is just all around bad for America and especially the middle class.

  • jopa

    I just wanted to add living here on the East Coast in the wake of Hurricane Sandy I with the rest of America, we were truly impressed with the handling of this tragedy by President Obama and Governor Christie.In an emergency we all know now who would be the best one to handle a crisis situation.The only crisis Romney ever encountered was when his butler accidentally spilled his Grey Poupon.Then he was fired.

  • http://hotmail e Johnson

    Ha,”The Chick-fil-a election”, that’s a good one!! Yes we are tired of getting kicked in the gut,but much more than that we are tired of seeing this land that “GOD” created,leaders kicking “GOD” out of the land he created, us believers of “GOD” should stand up for him this election!! And 2nd, my family, we are middle class being kicked to the curve,I am making a stand for my family, 3rd, the millitary, the military is so very important to me I am making a stand for them as well, our military should NEVER be cut,they put their lives on the line for Our COUNTRY!!!!!! Yes,I AM a Christian I AM voting for Romney, I am a Women I AM voting for Romney!!!!!!

    • Nick Czudy

      e Johnson. If you believe in God, you should keep him out of government. He did not create the US of A. He is not being challenged in this election, as he should have nothing to do with this election. religion and what you believe is something that you have the right to practice in the privacy of your home and life. Part of the reason that you as a middle class person is getting kicked in the gut is that the previous governments have been slanted more to letting the wealthy make more money and get richer. The HMO’s and the oil and coal money are lining their pockets with millions to keep the status quo. I am surprised with your third option that you are making a stand for. With the US military having a budget that is greater than the next 10 largest military’s in the world. Pres. Obama has been diligent and I would say more christian to keep the USA out of more wars and by winding down the current wars, that the USA has been in. It is not necessary to expand or increase the military spending. Its budget can be reduced and still keep the US at the top of the world, in military capabilities. It is one area that can be pared down to balance the deficit. Of coarse if you want to keep paying a large part of the US tax dollars to the military complex and their wealthy owners, then maybe you have a reason that I do not understand. But that money would be better spent to improve the decaying infrastructure in the USA. the military jobs that will be lost, can be gained in the construction and related industries. You will have something to show for it, rather than keep spending it around the world in more conflicts. What would be really christian of you is to look after the veterans when they come home to get care that is needed both medically and psychologically. Help them find jobs and security. Do not only think of putting more young people in harms way. I am not a Christian and I would not ever think about voting for Romney. He is not for the middle class and this election campaign has shown that both he and the Republican party, will lie, cheat , steal, suppress votes and do anything to get back in power. Then we are screwed for the next 4 years.

      • sarge1964

        I am sorry, with no intent to argue, but I do need to address one idea you mention about expenditures for military dominance. One of the workhorses of the Air Force, of which I am a veteran, the KC-135, a refueling tanker is 58 years old and badly needs replacing. Further, over the last 20 year, while we have been beefing up technology, et al, for the ground troops, which is essential, the Air Force has been completely ignored. As far as our USAF fighter planes, if you will read JANES, which deals with armament from all over the world, China’s newest fighter jet has the ability to fly circles around our newest fighters, but of course our highly trained jet jockeys will never let that happen. The B-52, of Dr. Strangelove fame, has been around for more that half a century. Both China and North Korea are in a position to strike Japan and American bases that are farther away. I promise that I am not trying to educate you, nor am I trying to denigrate you, all I am doing is saying that your conclusion is without merit when you consider the aging and decrepit warhorses of the USAF. Believe you me, I am not a war monger, but I do feel our sense of readiness is far from efficient. This situation was caused by the first ten years of the cold war, when we thought we were going to have a long period of peace, then turned around and fought ground wars that we should never have been in. We should never have been in Viet Nam, Iraq, Libya, Iran, and some other places. You do have a very creditable argument concerning the cost factor. Aircraft and armament are extremely expensive, with their overruns, budget increases, and missed deadlines. Remember that one contractor with the government who turned in an invoice which included a hammer with a price tag of $ 600.00? You can buy the same hammer at Lowe’s for 10 or 15 dollars. Then too, there are the kickbacks and corruption that compounds the cost. It is beyond me what we can do about it. President Eisenhower said, yes that is how old I am, “Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Peace.” Sorry to be so wordy.

  • jopa

    sarge1964;That was a very good read and I enjoyed it.That is so true about the aging of the workhorses and fighter planes of our Air Force and one thing I like about the drones is that it seems like a much better choice for strategic pinpoint accuracy than the carpet bombing days of the past.The B52s do have a very heavy duty psychological and physical impact on anyone within the theatre of operations should they have a presence in the impact zone.I do believe it is a big waste of money to still be in places like Japan, Korea, Germany or anywhere else we have had wars in the past and may I say present.In todays world wee don’t need bases all over the place like in a bygone era, we just have to be a little smarter.

    • sarge1964

      I agree with certain reservations.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      The Real Shame Is: That the Weapons Change From Knoledge But: No Change in Wisdom, for When & Why to use them!

  • JON

    Wayne will cry after the election like a little baby saying “Obama won…must be election fraud!”
    What will Wayne have to b^tch about after tonight? I’m sure he’ll find something. He love’s to hear himself talk.

    • nc

      Jon, we have just witnessed the total irrelevance of Mr.Root! What a fraud! For an election that President Obama was not going to let happen he did pretty well! Those guys who decided in 1913 that he would be President were smart!! Am I getting my conspiracies confused! There are so many here that I can’t remember which FEMA camp I have been assigned to!! Some one needs to post a roster!

      • deerinwater

        Delta, ~ it’s down on the end and to the left.

        • Nick Czudy

          Hello Deer. Pleasure to meet you. Mr. Roots comments are typical and expected.
          I assume that he is one of the far right wing and lives in the bubble that has been described by Jon Stewart, a controversial comedian. His theory is that all right wing, live in their own personal universe under a bubble and say things that everyone else living under this bubble eats up anything that is said here is treated as gospel. Things like, Obama is a Muslim, He is for big government and socialism, he purposely mislead Americans on the Benghazi attack, dinosaurs lived side by side with man, 10,000 years ago. Obama will raise taxes on the middle class, the Muslim brotherhood has infiltrated the government, the world will end when Obama is elected again, person-hood begins when the sperm enters the egg, raped women can secrete a special hormone to prevent conception, etc. this list goes on for endless pages, Perpetrators like Rush Limbaugh and other zealots can say anything and to their fellow members, that live under this bubble, it is taken as gospel truth and they will circulate it among their brethren.
          Anyone that is outside of this bubble knows that it is a lie, an exaggeration, a political talking point, a wish, or basically something that is to be ignored or laughed at. That is why the comedians, love the people under the bubble as it is a rich harvest of jokes.
          Mr. Root, is one of these people and no one every really believes him, except those that wanted to believe him. The same can be said for Dick Morris and Sean Hannity. There are many more but I do not know them all and have a bad memory for names. Part of this accepted internal truths, was the GOP’s hopeful predictions, of the election outcome. Internally, everyone in the bubble believed it, no one outside of this bubble gave it an ounce of credence. So we have to go easy on Wayne Root. He is just doing his political duty to perpetrate the myth.

          • deerinwater

            Correct Nick Czudy, ~

            I’ve always referred to it as a “Cultivated Bubble of Perception” a created false reality that offers comfort and security from a frighten world where notions of freedom and control are at best , an illusion.

            Security is an ongoing issue with no end, and what actual control we have depends large on how we live our minute, making hast today, preparing for tomorrow.

            Only might we try very, very hard and apply the teaching of the faith in a humble way, might we ever hope to even control ourselves much less anyone else, and that is the real world.

            It might well be comfortable and offer certain rewards to live in such a bubble but it is a dysfunction behavior as coping skills drastically suffer for as we see, this bubble is easily popped and the demands placed on poorly developed coping skills makes life overwhelming.

            We are told that the righteous man walks by faith and not by sight and to fear not.

            A tall order indeed and so very hard to do, but living in a bubble has never been the answer.

          • Nick Czudy

            DeerInwater. Yes life in this bubble for the inhabitants is warm and fuzzy and will make them feel safe and good. The only problem is when one day they will have to leave the bubble for the outside world. Then there is bewilderment, despair and danger. Maybe we ought to only live in the bubble part time. Like smoking pot. A place that you can escape to when you need its protective circle but where you can return to the real world and learn to survive and prosper.
            It is one of the benefits of a Christian life, that one can benefit from the moral message that is given. But it is not the exclusive tool of the bible. An atheist like myself can also nurture good moral values without the benefit of the scriptures or religion. We can learn it from our parents, the people around us and everyday life. It does not have to be learned on the pain of death, eternal damnation in hell or life in heaven with 70 virgins.
            I wonder if Christians can accept that fact? Are all atheists evil and immoral?
            warm regards

          • Frank Kahn

            First, of the things you listed, most of the items (that are actually put forth by conservatives) are based on observations of actions. As to when LIFE not PERSON-HOOD begins, that is a matter of debate amongst scientists and not for you to definitely discern. And the belief of it starting at conception is a religious one which is not FROM the EXTREME RIGHT WING. I personally have only met one person who tried to say that dinosaurs and humans lived together in history. That person was a Mormon, which is not to imply that all Mormons believe this.

          • Nick Czudy

            Frank.. The person that thinks that mankind and dinosaurs lived together at the same Michelle Bachman. Rep. MN. Scientists do not agree on when an egg or Zygote becomes a person. It certainly is not when my sperm enters the egg. I also think that white haired old men from the right do not get make that determination for every woman. It is a matter for her, her doctor or priest. I thought that the GOP believed in less government. Why do all of the GOP in power think that they need to poke around in women’s affairs and force untrasound probes and force them to carry children that they may not want to. I thought that their mantra was less government?

      • deerinwater

        Nick says; “I wonder if Christians can accept that fact? Are all atheists evil and immoral?
        warm regards”

        Of course Christians can, the question is “will” they, Nick. My answer would be yes, the Christians that understood Christ message and are devoting their lives by the minute to apply Christ teaching will welcome you regardless of your statement position.

        As a matter of fact, the many Christian that I personally know would shower you with love and attention with the hopes of sharing Gods divine gift of love and they will offer you examples of love.

        Unconditional love has no strings. Nick, a lot of people, both Christians and non-Christians alike have never wittiness unconditional love, so how might they ever understand what it is, much less offer it?

        You don’t have to believe in God, for God believes in you. ~ and then too ~ God is but a word that represents a notion, an ideas a belief. Notions of God vary greatly among people, even if they call themselves Christians.

        Don’t allow the “words” to interfere with your progress in understanding the nature of the Divine and the power that is yours to live a rich, full and rewarding life. Accept your death as the nature of life and not the final chapter, but a new beginning.

        All roads lead to Rome.

        • Nick Czudy

          Hi Deerin water. I am happy to hear from you that Christians will accept an Atheists view and accept him into their fold. I wonder then how many of the GOP and Right Wing are Christians. Because they are always putting atheists down as the devil or evil. I think that there are hypocrites in every facet of life.
          I have seen true love. I mothers love for a child is about as deep of a love that there is in this world. It is a beautiful thing. May we all experience true love.

          • deerinwater

            Well Nick, Christians that follow and practice the teaching of Christ would. Jesus walk an example to follow. Practicing Christians attempt to follow his example.

            But you need to understand, God don’t believe in atheist and I don’t either. but we both believe in you regardless of what you call yourself.

  • roger

    Unfortunately it looks like the evangelicals didn’t read this blog.

  • JON

    OBAMA WON!!!!!!!
    OBAMA WON!!!!!!!
    OBAMA WON!!!!!!!
    OBAMA WON!!!!!!!
    OBAMA WON!!!!!!!
    OBAMA WON!!!!!!!
    OBAMA WON!!!!!!!
    OBAMA WON!!!!!!!

    • sarge1964

      Hey Jon, Just because a person is in opposition to the ruling party and their leaders does no mean they hate them. Even though I disagree with him and you, he is still my president, too. Sounds to me like you are the one with a hate problem. Too many people are too quick to pull out some personal agenda card when someone, anyone disagrees with them. I feel sorry for you, but I do not hate anyone.

      • deerinwater

        I wish there were more opposition like you Sarg, ~ and maybe Jon wouldn’t feel the way she does.

        • sarge1964


  • ableton

    OOps! Sorry Wayne! Maybe you should court the Mexican catholics to hinge your bets on.

  • battery9

    Wayne, your analysis has fallen a wee short of reality.

  • Kinetic1

    Does this mean they will be removing your star from the Las Vegas walk of fame?

  • richard

    Us Ron Paul supporters DID NOT FORGET what the Republican Party did to Ron Paul during the convention. WE witheld our votes or voted for either Gary Johnson or Virgil Goode. Revenge is sweet…it was enough nationally to prevent the “backstabbers” from winning. America gets to choke on Socialism for another 4 years. Cry babies cry. And the Christian churches are no longer Christians anymore….but in name only.

    • deerinwater

      Ann Romney is certain to be relieved this morning , Willard can go home and kick the dog.

    • http://none Michael Westrich

      Indeed. The rank and file Tea Party members as well as the Ron Paul camp stayed home (my Ron Paul “write in” was my token protest). Better for the Republicans to have lost, because when the economy completely tanks, the Democrats will be to blame, and 2016 will be a “conservative” Republican/Libertarian landslide (assuming we still have free elections by then). Republicans are still “paying the piper” for George Dubbia. I hate to admit it, but seeing the plutocrat lose (and all of his mega-rich donors), brought me solace in light of the poor House and Senate turnout. And yes, I suspect numerous Catholics/Christians checked their conscience at the door when polling.

      • ron . r

        Tea Party, Tea Party, what Tea Party????????

        • http://none Michael Westrich

          Exactly. What tea party. The Romulan pretty much squelched the tea party. see where it got him?

      • Kinetic1

        “…because when the economy completely tanks, the Democrats will be to blame…”
        But should the economy recover, then you will give credit to the Republican Congress. Same old same old. If things aren’t going well, it falls to either the President or the Congress, whichever is Democratic. Should things go well, it’s because Republicans held the White house or Congress.

        • http://none Michael Westrich

          If it were possible to reverse the 20 plus percent unemployment, and -17% GDP by spending more and producing less, it would be a Democrat miracle for sure, and it would be despite the Republican obstructionists. The economy will only continue to get worse without any incentive for people to produce. Some day it will get so bad that the media and Washington will have to tell the truth, because when people are starving in the streets, someone will be blamed.

      • tlgeer

        “Better for the Republicans to have lost, because when the economy completely tanks, the Democrats will be to blame, and 2016 will be a “conservative” Republican/Libertarian landslide (assuming we still have free elections by then).”

        Are you really saying that you are looking forward to our economy, and country, tanking???

        Do you realize how very un-american and unpatriotic that is? Not to mention just down right mean spirited.

        • sarge1964

          It looks like our economy is “in the tank” already.

          • deerinwater

            “It looks like our economy is “in the tank” already.”

            Depends on where you are looking I suppose. ~ Ann might have Willard in the dog house for a while with a little “down sizing”.

            Wall Street and the markets appear on solid footing, nobody is jumping out of windows ~ GDP is on the rise, unemployment is on the fall. ~ many civil state spending bills were passed this election cycle. ~Huge earth moving projects have been taking place all over Tarrant County Texas for the last year and a half. Housing is on the rise, banks are lending again , New starts are far more common. And beside saving a ton of money on my car Insurance with Gico, ~ I got a $39.64 royalty check from my gas well this quarter. ~ LOL! AND ! an unemployed Republican friend of mine finally landed a good job @ $45,000 per year! ~ That is really going to play hell with our Wednesday and Friday golf game. We will miss him, but his wife was very happy.

            No question, things are hard still for many, ~ I know personally of many people that are holding down very low paying jobs and working two jobs on the side. And I know of many people that are simply unemployable at anything other then sitting on their assets and eating ice cream.

          • http://none Michael Westrich

            Real unemployment is over 20%, real GDP was -17% in 2011, and real inflation is almost 20%. Google it. Unemployment statistics do not count the unemployed that do not file for unemployment wages, and count them as not looking for a job once the benefit period expires. Gross domestic product does not compensate for inflation (Which is where the 3% GDP comes from), and of course the consumer price index (official measure of economic growth) does not count food or energy price increases, which are huge! Ask any bread winner if their paycheck goes as far as it used to?

          • sarge1964

            Just a couple of thoughts in reply. First, a six trillion dollar debt, most of which is money borrowed from China, does not reflect a sound economy. Second, our unemployment is a lot higher than is publicized because there are those who have simply given up on finding a job. Third, there are engineers flipping burgers in places like Mickey D’s. Fourth, some of the problem comes in a lot of jobs becoming digitalized and those who have been replaced by a computer were not prepared with an alternative. Fifth, there are so many people on our dole system that are making more money on welfare than many can make in the public or private sector. Of these five statements, the only two that are the fault of government is the first and the fifth. It is my feeling that it is not the job of the government to create jobs. The president cannot create jobs in the public or private sector. That was just so much blow from both candidates. If the idea of creating jobs is to increase taxes, that is so much malarkey, as taxation does not create jobs, whether it is increasing or decreasing taxation. However, I am no economist, but I do know that when the end of the money comes in my household, there is no one to bail me out, and I cannot print more money. I taught math for many years, and that is just simple mathematics.

          • deerinwater

            Hmm? what you say, ~ we eat the heart out of your melon and leave the greener stuff to someone more hungry?

            ” Third, there are engineers flipping burgers in places like Mickey D’s. Fourth, some of the problem comes in a lot of jobs becoming digitalized and those who have been replaced by a computer were not prepared with an alternative. Fifth, there are so many people on our dole system that are making more money on welfare than many can make in the public or private sector. Of these five statements, the only two that are the fault of government is the first and the fifth. It is my feeling that it is not the job of the government to create jobs.”

            Yes! the opportunity is not there for entry level engineers today! ~hells bells , they don’t know nothing! The demand for entry level or a few years experience is just not there ~ yet! today the demand is in nitch markets, in retro fitting. ~ But this supply and demand will correct it’s self given time. In the mean time , they surely do suffer, but before their career is over they will be commanding , 75,000 to 110,000 dollars per year. No question,you are right!

            item # 5 on the dole ~ again you are right! people need to be able to make more money working then on the dole. So? make the dole less or pay people more.

            and the job of government is to create a “climate” for opportunity for those willing to apply themselves.

            You and I are not that far apart.

      • deerinwater

        “Real unemployment is over 20%,”

        I understand how unemployment numbers are figured and what they presented. I also understand that people pick and choose which way they wish to present unemployment to support any argument they are attempting to make.

        Government jobs swelled under W’s administration to 9,7000 and many of those jobs have been lost over the course of the recent 4 years of government downsizing ( which is seen by many as a good thing) while these jobs lost help make up today’s unemployment figures.

        If you like horses , you learn to put up with the smell. You can’t have one without the other.

        This doom and gloom has a way of being a self fulfilling prophecy , we have pulled out of a steep dive to ground, where stall, spin, crash and burn seemed eminent and leveled off, the next 4 years we will continue to gain altitude.

        We can and will produce ourselves out of this mess, while my major concern is how to do it without the military complex that we have grown accustom to over several decades.

    • ron . r

      Wasted Ron Paul votes did not matter. In a head to head race with any party Ron Paul would have lost. Like this country is not ready for a woman to be president it is so not ready for someone as crazy as ron paul. Besides, H. Clinton 2016!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • deerinwater

    What’s the problem with Dade County? ~ is the state under serving this county with getting the vote in?

    Okay, ~ I’m ready ~ let’s hear it! Obama rigged the election. ~

  • ron . r


  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    LANDSLIDE????? Shouldn’t even have been, near that close…

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Christy & Jeb Next…

  • nc

    Our boy George Soros just hung another big loss on the Koch brothers! He has beaten them twice with a Kenyan Muslim Socialist Communist Marxist black dude and will do it again in 2016 and 2020 with “Sweet Hillary” Clinton! We Democrats ran against Herbert Hoover for 40 years and it looks like we may get that many from daddy’s boy bush! You gotta love how long it takes conservatives to see the problem!

  • badelmo

    Wayne, remind me again why I should ever again believe anything you say. Let’s face it; Christians are brain dead sheeple just like the Democrats. Sure you didn’t handicap your bets toward Obama?

  • Ann

    Frank K. to give you an answer, was it okay for him to tell me to go F myself and say a bunch of other crap? I lashed out in anger and that was wrong. I, am human and I make mistakes, I regret it. He is an over opinionated bully and he has done the same thing to others, Go read his posts not just here but other places too. I read his posts to another woman a couple of days ago and it was nasty. Frank, if you were offended by my comment to you , I apologize. Charlie your comments are great..

    • Frank Kahn

      I did not catch his post to you with that comment, and no it is not right or fair to say things of that nature to someone.

      Few people here really offend me, I object to some basic things.

      I detest Charlie (Freedom) because he is incapable of independent thought. He keeps harping on just giving scripture chapter and verse numbers and asking ridiculous questions. He is no better than others that stoop to name calling and has done so to me on several occasions. He insists that I am a heathen and destined for hell. He even called me stupid, ignorant and a liar. He Judges me although he claims to be a Christian. I dont allow mere humans judge my relationship with God, that is for God to decide. I dont take kindly to being called stupid, mainly because it is inaccurate.

      I dont like racism, I see many on this site that use extreme racist remarks and that is also uncalled for. I also dont like irrational people who claim someone is a racist because he disagrees with Obama’s policies.

      I get mildly irked when many Obama lovers simply refuse to acknowledge documented facts.

      And my biggest dislike is with the person named GALT who labels all of us wiALF’s. He wont explain what that means but I have it figured out and it is an extreme insult.

      In the main, I keep out of most of the bashing going on because it serves no purpose. Those with extreme views on any given issue will usually not listen to reason so why try.

      • sarge1964

        I do not know the people you have mentioned, but I am in agreement with your content. The kind of things you are describing usual indicates to me that a person cannot articulate a reasonable command of the English language, or any other for that matter. Though it does not matter, you get a thumbs up from me.

      • deerinwater

        “I get mildly irked when many Obama lovers simply refuse to acknowledge documented facts.:

        When we see a minefield of documents with “Experts” with no name, no address and no credentials claiming that they are real, we feel much the same way.

        Bearing in mind a child is not responsible for what information his parents put on documents to serve “what purpose” as they thread in and out a hostile world full of bias and red tape. , Or to even consider that no child is responsible for their own birth and we are all born naked and only over time learn to ourselves.

        And “LOVE” has nothing to do with it FranK ~ Did you LOVE the person that you voted for Wednesday ?

        • Frank Kahn

          I have never, intentionally, butted heads with you. I dont agree with much of what you say in your support of Obama. I am a little rattled with the incomprehensible language in this post about a child that, somehow has no responsibility for its being born?

          But to the meat of your objection.

          Love is a general term, that can and does mean many things. To LOVE the actions of a person can be a form of blind devotion if you dont consider the full implications of those actions. To BLINDLY love the actions of someone, to the point that you ignore the truth is pathetic. Many people, I have talked with, are simply incapable of rational thought with respect to Obama. They refuse to listen about his terrible and often RACIST actions. These attitudes are identical in scope with LOVE (infatuation) that renders a person blind to the faults of their love interest. So YES, many people LOVE Obama for his appearance of leadership qualities (in their minds eye).

          As to documentation, yes, there are many “experts” spewing forth unsupportable “facts”. I got a particular thrill over the “clash of the titans” testimony over the LFBC. I could see some problems with the actual wording in the debunkers of the document. But, the official response to the debunkers, by a former government worker, was so far off the mark of reality that I almost gagged. He took things our of context, and twisted the truth to fit his agenda. This happens on both sides of the fence. I dont approve of either side doing this form of debunking, but I get more upset when it is coming from those who are in charge of my country, and their supporters.

          When I said documented evidence, I was not talking about what comes from supposed experts. I am talking about things, in the public record, that were produced by Obama and / or his administration. Although, I get my assessment of Obama as a racist in part from his racist comment about Trevon looking just like his own son if he had one, I base it more on his executive order creating an all black educational support system for blacks. I read the entire executive order, and it is definitely racist, talking about how WHITE educators dont understand the needs of BLACK students. And, that A. this is why BLACK STUDENTS dont graduate B. BLACK STUDENTS dont attend college C. MALE BLACK STUDENTS are disciplined UNFAIRLY D. American education system is not #1 because BLACK STUDENTS are not given the CHANCE to excel in the WHITE SCHOOL SYSTEM. While, I agree that our educational system is broken, and our kids are not taught to a level that is competitive with other countries, IT IS NOT ABOUT BLACKS. If Obama wanted to improve our system of schooling (without racism) he would put in place a system that improved it for everyone’s children.

          I also object to you, personally, for your minimalist attitude towards some types of documentation I have provided in posts. If you feel a warm fuzzy feeling about Obama’s actions, that obviously irritate the religious community, that is your personal business. To poo poo it away as just Obama not wanting to get involved in religion is ignorant and counter to reality.

      • deerinwater

        Frank, as you attack, I defend, when you quit attacking, I will quit defending and it has nothing to do with “love”.

        I have three choices, defend , counter attack or completely ignore and I pick and choose among the winnable possibilities. It’s merely defending a position and not out of love but conviction.

        I speak of the innocence of a child as some of your attacks with documentation are indeed documents that were created by information supplied by his parents as they weaved their lives through a International minefield of bureaucratic and red tape as his mother moved about the globe crossing both national and racial boundaries. Do you really believe that was a simple, straight forward thing for her to do, especially considering the time period, destinations and children in tow?

        Today, in my home town here in the US ~ I know of many parents that are less the truthful with documentation as they attempt to enroll their children in the better schools or gain some advantage of some program that is being offered to children that fit a certain criteria. ~ Needless to say ~ it does cloud issues and offer conflict when a 40 year timeline is attempting to be established but this is not the guilt of the child.

        These attacks on the creditably of Obama’s personal history , is something that you and others have elected to do. Why assign a label to my motivated defense as “LOVE”? ~ I resent that premise.

        I see Obama as standing on high ground and representing my views, ~ like no other person I have to choose from today. Therefore I support him. ~ It’s not love, it’s not complicate.

        I don’t approve of all the things that he says or does ~ but It’s a “package” of ideas and directions that I support and defend and not a single item. But if there were a “single item” that impresses me most about Bronco Bama, it would be his great efforts to be Every American’s President and not a select few even if the select few take offense by his unwillingness to pamper to them in a way they have became so accustomed by past Presidents.

        Hate is a form of insanity and blurs the vision, that so many American’s today have a blurred view regarding “45″ is miss-fortunate. I can either stand idly by and let it happen or embrace the discussing, I choice the later, finding my good conscience would suffer with the former.

        I hope my response clarifies my motives and we can continue with meaningful discussing.

        • Frank Kahn

          In order to discuss something it is necessary to define and enumerate the items being discussed.

          Item 1. I did not, intentionally say you voted for Obama out of love. I do not remember you saying you did vote for him. My statement was a generalization of my perception of many people whom have expressed unsupportable beliefs in policies that they know little or nothing about. And in reference to those who fail to accept the real facts when presented.

          2. I did not attack you personally, I simply took exception at your cavalier attitude towards Obama doing something that was obviously antagonistic towards religious leaders. And, it was extremely cavalier to say good for him for not taking sides from the bully pulpit. That Sir, is not being the president for all people, it is exclusionary to those he offended. If, instead, you have some reason to believe my document was not factual, you should have said that.

          3. His racist executive order setting up a BLACK ONLY SCHOOLING SYSTEM, is also not a president for all people action.

          4. As to the subject of my documentation being somehow related to this part of your post,

          ” I speak of the innocence of a child as some of your attacks with documentation are indeed documents that were created by information supplied by his parents as they weaved their lives through a International minefield of bureaucratic and red tape as his mother moved about the globe crossing both national and racial boundaries.”

          Unless you have me confused with some other Frank, you are delusional. I have supplied no such documentation. Nothing I have ever linked to has anything to do with his travels as a kid. Actually, I could care less about his childhood travels, with the exception of his first voyage to Hawaii.

          5. What you call my attacks on Obama are mainly my telling my opinion of how ineffective and incompetent he is as a leader. I always give my reasoning, and in some cases, like the Executive Order, I provide links to show what I am referring to. In addition, I know for a fact that he is not qualified to be president, and as such believe he should be forced to prove his genealogy and produce valid birth records. I dont believe or follow the right wing political mantra, I just see the truth in what is presented. His LFBC was a fake, it is not even possible to support the claim that it is real. I have valid reasons for this assertion, which I have stated before. I have also pointed out that if it was not a fake, the fact that it gives his fathers citizenship as African makes him ineligible. I have not even delved into the possibility that some reports of his being tracked by the CIA as a foreign student in Hawaii when he married Obama’s mother are accurate. It is possible that that is true, but I have no way of checking so I dont use that as support of my claims.

          If you are interested and want to engage in a rational discussion of his birth rights, I will be happy to rehash all the discrepancies found in the story surrounding his birth certificate with you.

      • deerinwater

        I was never attempting to single you out with any single document(s) Frank, ~ I was addressing 4 years of this “document ghost hunt” had served no purpose other then distract , confuse and fuel contempt among the already disgruntled after their hopeful had lost an election to a person of mixed linage and seen unworthy the title and position.

        When you jumped in and directed your comments to me, I only reciplicated in the same spirit it was sent.

        There were many documents presented to fabricated the strong position that the first chair position was being occupied by a fraud, to those that “wanted to believe”. It was not hard to do with Kinko’s down the street or a skilled programmer and a high quality printer and a ax to grind, not to mention all the “experts” that came out of the woodwork to bear false witness.

        The Birther issue is DEAD Frank,. find another. It was dead, long ago, while some still attempt to dig it up.

  • Ann

    Glad we cleared the air here your right that is bewteen you and God just as my relationship with God is too. I like Charlie because he does quote scripture and verses. As for the rest that said about him I missed it. I agree with your comments and learned a lesson you seem like a really cool person,so thanks

  • JON

    It’s time to remove this article. There was no Christian assisted landslide for Romney.
    It’s also time for working together and stop all the pettiness, name calling, and other stuff we like to do and say to one and other…me included.

    I honestly wish everyone the best. Let’s be the ones we can all look up to.


    • sarge1964

      Amen and Amen! We are beating a dead horse.

  • Joe Hammond

    Yo Wayne…your as big a loser as Karl Rove who wasted a load of rich whiteboy money and got a return of 1.9% on their investment. What a wave of “people of faith” that came out in Nevada!

    Better go get a refund from “God”, Wayne….

  • Robert L. Smith

    Your Chick-fil-A reference is cute but to use it as the basis of proof behind your over reaching predictions is just ignorance. I’m a Christian and I turned out like I have in the last 4 elections since I turned 18 and I voted for Obama. I did not turn out to support Chick-fil-A because I prefer to keep my beliefs and politics separate from the greasy chicken I shouldn’t be eating in the first place. Are these assumptions base on what you want to happen the same way you came up with your Vegas Odds, maybe that is why you don’t do it anymore because that type of logic is flawed and doesn’t often pan out.

    I do agree with you that polling is given way to much credit with such a small sample size. I mean can you ever really rely on 4,000 people to represent the million of eligible voters in the US. Then again can you rely on the handful the friends and acquaintances that you talked to represent any type of reality. I’m guessing the people that are among your friends believe what you do because I don’t see people that disagree with you being able to stomach the constant political talk that degrades their own beliefs. Wouldn’t make for a good friendship.

    Thanks for the insight into the radical right thinking, I prefer to hang out in the middle and make some progress. Oh, and no offense but Romney is no Regan. If I was voting age at the time I might of voted for Regan. The Republican party needs to come up with better candidates now recycled ones that lost in the previous primary cycle.

    Have a blessed and wonderful weekend.

  • Zeph

    John Huntsman said that the Republicans cannot afford to become the anti-science party. In the US today, there seems to be a movement for people to make up their own “facts”, substituting what they want to believe to be true, for what reality really indicates upon unbiased examination – or putting faith ahead of science not just in religious matters but in all areas of life, even those with objective facts available. This shift towards people “creating their own reality” bubble is common to left and right, to god fearing Christians and to starry eyed new agers.

    However, it’s not a tendency which is good for survival, neither personally nor as a nation or a culture. Just believing it doesn’t make it true. A new airplane design isn’t going to fly just because you believe it should, you need to listen to objective feedback from reality – the sooner the better!

    Nate Silver is an example of somebody who appears to be trying hard to “get it right” in his forcasts, which he bases on a mathematical model (much of which he explains if you keep reading). His career prospects are based on being credible, and having more tendency to be right than wrong – not on telling people what they want to know. If he’s consistently inaccurate, whether to the left or to the right, then his crediblity drops and people stop reading him. He also discusses the uncertainties, and the possible errors in his forecasts, quite openly, rather than pretending to know everything. In other words, he’s using scientific approaches to discern as best we can what the real world situation is. That doesn’t mean he’s going to always be right – but that he’s trying to be accurate using rational methods, not trying to sell temporary delusions to some biased supporters.

    (Remember that he also makes sports predictions, and showing deliberate inaccuracy or self delusion in politics would make his other predictions less valuable too!)

    As it turns out, his US political predictions over time have been pretty accurate, without a left/right bias (just the normal margins of error). By contrast, look at the conservative polls which were way off – in a predictable direction (or liberal biased ones, but I don’t care about that at the momen, it’s their problem). It “sells” to conservatives who value “feeling good” over “being honest with themselves”, at least until election day.

    I agree with Huntsman. If we let American conservatism become an echo chamber of shared self-delusion, we’re going to slowly go extinct. When you are allocating funds and workers to win an election, you need to pay attention to accurate predictions in each state and county, not so self-congratulary delusions. Whistling in the dark and ignoring what reality is telling you is not going to help win elections, it’s just going to make the defeats seem even more crushing.

    If we keep “whistling in the dark” instead of facing reality, the liberals are going to win more and more often – not all the time, but more of the time. Obama won heavily among younger voters, and among growing minorities. And no, it wasn’t just pimps and prostitutes – he won among hard working minorities who are paying taxes and raising families and who are more engaged in the American Dream (and the hard work it takes to pursue it) than the average American. Romney won mostly among older white people, especially white males. Nothing wrong with that – I might just happen to fit in that category myself – except that narrowing our base to that is a recipe for a liberal dominated 21st century. We have to face reality, and look at objective evidence, and restore rational conservatism to the forefront.

    Are we going to change course (not to the opposite extreme of course, just moderately) to create a vision which appeals to the majority, or go into our echo chamber and convince each other that we need to become even more (conservatively) Politically Correct and purge anybody who isn’t pure enough from our party? Then wonder why the party is slowly shrinking. Getting bitter based on our own deflated fever dreams isn’t going to help either – it doesn’t draw more people in, instead the most rational edges of our movement start drifting away until the hardcore nuts control everything. (I hope that hasn’t already happened).

    This article seems to be offering delusion. It “sells” to those more interested in delusion than reality. It fell flat on its face in the election tho. Really, seriously, way off base, not just within a reasonable margin of error. How many more of this sort of “wishful thinking” editorials are we going to foist off on each other before we wake up?

  • Zeph

    If I were evaluating an investment advisor, I’d want somebody who was a good judge of objective reality, whose view of the options was unbiased by personal wishful thinking. I’d want somebody who was capable of saying “I personally think people ought to invest more in (precious metals, oil futures, high tech, agriculture, whatever) but the evidence is that those prices are going down so I cannot recommend them for the near future”, rather than “I just know in my heart that (whatever) is going to go up because I believe in it”. That is, the ability to separate wishful thinking from clear analysis.

    If anybody here REALLY believed this article (as opposed to just whistling in the dark as a partial self delusion to temporarily sooth the anxiety of a feared but likely outcome), you should know that the betting markets before the election were all offering around 3:1 odds if you thought Romney would win. Here you had a SURE THING which was going to triple your money (or better) in a week (if you placed your wager shortly before the election). What financial advice is going to do any better than that? Invest $10,000 from your saving that you can afford to lose – if the chances are even 50:50 the 3:1 odd are a great bet to take! Or if you are more sure than that (see above), cash in everything and bet the farm on it – you won’t get filthy rich, but you can pay off the house, save for the kids, get a new car, and still have more to save or travel or whatever – with a few hundred thou of sudden income.

    On the other hand, you just might ask yourself “why are so many other people such fools that they are willing to give away their money on 3:1 odds?”. Maybe the vast majority of other investors (in the wager) are deluded fools, and our esteemed author is a rare clear thinker who sees the political reality – so much that you should trust your money on the wager. Or maybe we would be the suckers, and the odds were right. The question is, who was willing to put their money where their mouth was?

    Most of the wagers are on just a victory. If you can find one that wagers on how much of a victory, I bet you could have gotten 100:1 odds against Mitt Romney having a Reagan-like sweep of the electoral college. THAT could make you rich, if you turned out to be right.

    Missed this election? There will be others. Just bet heavily on your favorite candidate, ignore Nate Silver, and pray. If you can still afford internet access afterwards, come on back and let us know how it came out.

    Rational fiscal conservatives, pay attention to the math geeks instead and keep your money (or bet on the likely winner and cash in on the ideologically biased folks who are giving their money away, if that appeals to you – you can still earn way more than bank interest pays). On average, it’s going to turn out that more often the hard numbers people knew what they were talking about, along with the other bettors. But some people aren’t going to learn that until they get some skin in the game and find out what happens when the epidermis hits the road.

    • deerinwater

      And that seems to be at the root of the economic problem, people don’t what to work ~ they was to wager ~ and when they lose , they look for a way to socialize their loses. It’s global problem ~ Wagering.

      Sadly, the bible really don’t address the practice of gambling it’s self but the love of money and the lust for what is not ours. I’m uncertain why people gamble, ~ as it seems to be more of a “sport” and not drive by lust but amusement .

      Strange really, ` of course I am a product of my raising much like everyone else, ~ Grandmother would not allow a deck of cards or dice in the house. ~ I was lead to believe they were the devil himself.

  • http://PersonalLiberty Duane Williams

    Any hot tips on the Super Bowl? I’ve got tons of money I want to throw away. Tell me who you wish will win and I’ll make a fortune betting against them.

    • deerinwater

      It was their “wish list” , a wish list that has been supported with propaganda for 4 long years and they “Believed” ~ They have been FOXED!

      What’s in a name? ~ As for myself, ~ Fox is a dead give away, or Bill O’Really’s “No Spin Zone”

      Who in their right mind would buy and smoke a pack of cigarettes name “Sky Walkers” ? I don’t want to walk in the sky! Not yet!

      I don’t know about Pro Ball ~ But look into Kansas State, ~ you could do some good there. Those corn fields must have a focusing effect.

  • bob mcbob

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    better find something else to do!

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Stuart Shepherd says:

    November 1, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Walter Agard- you are what the Bible calls a “fool.” The “two sides” are good and evil. figure it out.

    Wrong! Gennis Adom & Eve, Had the Choice between, Right & Wrong. / / Or Neither.

  • Eleanor

    Well, well. well. There is no one more radical than over the top republican & christian. President Obama won because that is what the people wanted. If Romney had been elected we would be up to our necks in crap. It is really easy to say what you would do when you have never been in that position before.

    • Frank Kahn

      I only want to point out a couple of items related to your statement.

      First, RADICAL has many definitions but I am assuming you mean far from the normal or accepted position. Now, your usage of the phrase over the top is a little ambiguous so I will ignore that for the time being. Many people use the term RADICAL to denote bad or wrong, this is not really the case in most instances if you think about it. To a Christian, Muslims are radicals, and to Muslims, Christians are radical. To an agnostic, probably both Christians and atheists are radicals. If you follow the idea of radical being extremely different from the accepted and normal way of doing things, then Obama and his administration are extreme radicals. His policies for both the economy and foreign relations is very different that the normal procedures used by previous presidents. If you, for some reason, think Obama’s policies are correct, you would not call his radical approach bad. So RADICAL is often defined by the person perceiving it. Or, to put it another way it is relative.

      Second, your combined assertions, ” If Romney had been elected we would be up to our necks in crap. It is really easy to say what you would do when you have never been in that position before”, those are a little contradictory in concept. Not knowing what you would do in a given situation is a lot like not knowing how someone else will perform until you see them try it. Since you have not seen Romney in the role of president of the United States, you cant really accurately predict how much crap we would be in if he was president. And your apparent attempt at saying Romney has no clue what he would do in the future as president, I would say the same about Obama in his 2008 campaign. He had no idea what he would do, he did not do what he promised. Blaming the GOP is not the issue here, he made promises that he could not keep. That was because he did not know what he would be able to do when he first ran for president.

  • http://personalliberty Greg Roberts

    You were so wrong again it’s beyond laughable.
    You are against reality and for superstition. You’re greedy, selfish, bloated, ignorant, and finally, irrelevant.

  • jopa

    Mr. Root is the Nostradamus of PLD.O r perhaps he comes from one of those late night mind reading commercials or believes he is of Mayan heritage.Whatever he is there was an Obama landslide.This is just so much fun.

    • Frank Kahn

      Your twisting of the truth of the election is as bad if not worse than his erroneous prognostication.

      Define, for us, your definition of an election land slide. Explain how 3% is such a big margin of victory that it is suddenly a landslide victory.

      Maybe you mean that having him elected is the equivalent of standing under a landslide. Or his policies will push us over the fiscal cliff fast like a landslide.

      I just want to know what thought process you are using to claim his victory was a land slide.

      • tlgeer

        The electoral college, of course. For me, at least. It is possible to win the popular vote and still lose the election if you have not carried enough states.

        • Frank Kahn

          I was hoping nobody would fall for that little bit of bait.

          The electoral college is corrupt. If it was about reality the states would be required to do proportional allocation of their electoral votes. In this manner the EC vote would reflect the same percentages of the popular vote. Or, at least be much closer.

          To base a statement of a landslide or a mandate on the EC votes is in error. Obama got 3% more votes than Romney, that is the real number that counts in this respect. In some of the states he lost by less than 3% and would have garnered those EC votes for a much smaller margin.

          • Deerinwater

            Frank says; “The electoral college is corrupt. If it was about reality the states would be required to do proportional allocation of their electoral votes. In this manner the EC vote would reflect the same percentages of the popular vote. Or, at least be much closer.

            I say; If the GOP felt inclined to claim 2010 midterm election as a mandate, it’s safe to say the DNC might call this most recent election results a mandate as well.

            It sort of depends on what time in history you want to bear an accounting. In 2008 the GOP was routed ( hang on and I’ll locate the number of their losses)

            “Republicans gained five Democratic seats total, while losing 26 Republican seats, giving the Democrats a net gain of 21. Turnout increased due to the 2008 presidential election.”

            Midterm 2010 the GOP make a comeback “Republicans picked up at least six Democratic seats, including the one formerly held by Mr. Obama, and the party will welcome Marco Rubio of Florida and Rand Paul of Kentucky to their ranks, two candidates who were initially shunned by the establishment but beloved by the Tea Party movement.”

            These gains got the GOP back in the game with holding 58 seats, not including those from some Western states where ballots were still being counted, surpassing the 52 seats the party won in the sweep of 1994.

            So clearly 2012 results could be called a mandate.

            As for the electoral college, it may well be corrupt as you say, ~ but it is the process by which both candidates attempt to capture the most votes on equal footing, while the incumbent has a slight edge regardless of their political affiliation.

            The electoral college takes into account of the population and not just those that cast a ballot. It’s more like block voting.

            In much the same way a Grand Jury addresses a daily docket of indictments, ~ They review 10 to 20 cases and bundles them for a single up or down vote. ~ Unless some jury person asked of an single indictment to be pulled from this “bundle of indictments” ~ again reviewed and voted on separately. The block is voted on and another 15 in reviewed and voted on and in that way 75 to 90 indictment can be address in a single days session.

            Not a sweet thing to heard perhaps, ~ but never the less, that is the way massive amounts of ballots are cast and counted and for good reason. ~ as it makes any accurate recount possible and feasible to do and best reflects all American Citizens or the “Jury” and not just the few that have the time in their busy lives and engage the system that appears to be little more then a shell game.

            Mitt Romney has experienced a Humpty Dumpty moment, and all the Kings horses and all the Kings men can ~never~put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

          • Frank Kahn

            Deerinwater, you said -

            “The electoral college takes into account of the population and not just those that cast a ballot. It’s more like block voting.

            In much the same way a Grand Jury addresses a daily docket of indictments, ~ They review 10 to 20 cases and bundles them for a single up or down vote. ~ Unless some jury person asked of an single indictment to be pulled from this “bundle of indictments” ~ again reviewed and voted on separately. The block is voted on and another 15 in reviewed and voted on and in that way 75 to 90 indictment can be address in a single days session.

            Not a sweet thing to heard perhaps, ~ but never the less, that is the way massive amounts of ballots are cast and counted and for good reason. ~ as it makes any accurate recount possible and feasible to do and best reflects all American Citizens or the “Jury” and not just the few that have the time in their busy lives and engage the system that appears to be little more then a shell game. ”

            By the last, run on, sentence of this quote, I am assuming the first sentence is missing the word ALL in front of the words OF THE POPULATION.

            How to address this, ignorant, if not just plain BS statement is difficult. I can not know if you think this is what happens, or if someone has buffaloed you into believing that this is true.

            Taking the first sentence at face value, and thinking it through logically, we encounter a small problem. You imply that the electoral college (which is a geographically dispersed set of people) somehow knows the true wishes of ALL the people. That, somehow, they know that there are actually 60% of the people who support Obama, instead of the 51% indicated by the popular vote. How did these people get this information? It certainly was not from any polls I am aware of.

            Now, to take on the extremely long run on sentence at the end of the quote.

            There is no, logical, way to assert that this magically transforms a recount into a much more feasible thing to do. In the Bush vs Gore election, when there was a recount of the votes in Florida, show me how the electoral college made the recount more feasible (easier). The only recount that becomes easier (more feasible) is if you recount the electoral college votes. Since this is not, in fact, a recount of THE VOTE, that point is moot.

            As to it, BEST reflecting all US (not AMERICAN) citizens, we have to go back to the question about the first sentence. Nor, are they (the electoral college), either tasked with, or given the authority to assume the desires of NON voting citizens. If I dont vote because I dont like either candidate, it does not mean that I support the incumbent. So, since they are neither mind readers or prescient they must use just the available data (popular vote) to apportion their votes.

            With those items, quoted, to be shown to be of no merit, the entire premise of your post is invalid. The disparity of the percentages is enough to prove your assertion false, in a relationship of the electoral votes compared to the popular vote. So, once again, I say that a proportional system of apportioning the electoral votes would make the electoral votes more closely reflect the desire of the people (the voters).

            The last comment of your post shows a bias in your reasoning for supporting this system. I am not the one who tried to make this an Obama vs Romney issue. I am simply stating facts about the electoral college system that selects the President and Vice President of the United States. Under my proposed change, Obama would have still won, it would just have been by a much smaller margin, which would have reflected the POPULAR VOTE.

            Many of the (misguided) Obama supporters keep telling the opposition (not just republicans or conservatives) to get over it they lost. Well, it is time to tell the Obama supporters to get over it, he won a very close election, there was no landslide or mandate given.

          • Deerinwater

            Well Thanks Frank for the grammar lesson. There is nothing quite like staying focused.

            But, really now Frank, tell us please, if the shoe was on the other foot and Mitt Romney had won, would you still have these grave concerns about the electoral college?

            From some strange reason, I think not.

            I went so far as to agree with you that the system might well be flawed, but it is equally flawed for all candidates and not just one, while favoring the other.

            My last statement is what you need to attack and not my grammar Frank.

            What good does it server you, for me to be annoyed with you and your flaming rancor?

          • Frank Kahn

            There was no FLAMING RANCOR in my post.

            I only made obvious statements about two grammar problems.

            The rest was in defense of my thoughts on why the system is bad. You did not agree that it IS flawed, you supported it as being a truthfully representation of the will of the people. And, I did stay on focus in that respect.

            Your opinion of whether or not I would say the same thing if Romney (who I have never supported) won is invalid. Like I said, it was you that put Obama and Romney into a discussion that had nothing to do with them directly. The system is badly flawed, and for the reasons I gave. I did not say it was flawed because someone won or lost.

            Why to you suddenly feel a need to attack me? You did this in another line of discussion, which I finally decided to stop trying to enlighten you. I did not agree to your last ignorant ranting in that discussion either.

            I am not attacking Obama here, I did not attack him in the other one either. I did not use the type of documentation you pretended I did in that case either so what is your problem? You think that Obama is wonderful? Fine, you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how misdirected and ignorant of reality it is. But your penchant for attacking me and claiming I have some hidden agenda, that you know, is BS in the extreme.

            To intimate that I wanted Romney to win the election is not only ignorant, considering the times I have said I dont like him, the claim is either blatantly stupid or you want to claim I am a liar.

            If you have some REAL facts to DISCUSS then lets do it. Stop with your whiny attacks on my personal integrity. Obama is a LIAR, if not everything he says is a lie then it sure tops the 90% mark. Liberals are brain dead if they think Obama is good for the nation. Conservatives are brain dead if they think that Romney would be good for the nation. Left extremists are delusional and lie every time they say the conservatives want something. Right extremists are also delusional and lie about what the liberals say.

            I am neither liberal or conservative so you cant lump me into those categories. However, you have shown a propensity to lie about what I say, so what category do you fit in?

          • Deerinwater

            Well Frank, ~ If you don’t like the process than it’s up to you to change it. While I maintain the belief that no system of rule is perfect while brighter minds then you and I have set in place the electoral college and all candidates know from the offset what they must achieve to win an election.

            I was not particularly please with Gore capturing the majority vote while Bush took it with dangling chad and a singular Judgeship offering Bush all of Florida’s electoral votes.

            Were you concerned with the process then? I tend to think not.

            And “yes” , your rancor was flaming in nature.

            Quote;” By the last, run on, sentence of this quote, I am assuming the first sentence is missing the word ALL in front of the words OF THE POPULATION.

            How to address this, ignorant, if not just plain BS statement is difficult. I can not know if you think this is what happens, or if someone has buffaloed you into believing that this is true.”

            “Many of the (misguided) Obama supporters keep telling the opposition (not just republicans or conservatives) to get over it they lost. Well, it is time to tell the Obama supporters to get over it, he won a very close election, there was no landslide or mandate given.”

            First off, who made you the grammar police? second, ~ there is many words to use in the English language beside “ignorant” It’s inflammatory and condescending.

            Third; The whole GOP is misguided Sir. while you speak of misguided like you might actually know what you are talking about. If they were not misguided Mitt Romney would not have been offered as a candidate.

            And I have always maintained that would be a close and hard fought election and as you say, it was. ~ while Willard failed to take Ohio with her 18 electoral votes , down from 21 in 2000 as population declines.

            The demographics of the nation is changing , while the electoral college is used to reflect these changes irregardless where you do or not.

            The very last thing I would expect of the GOP and her pundits to do is “change” as that seems to work for the DNC , I wouldn’t want them too.

            Carry on,

          • Frank Kahn

            First, I make every attempt I possibly can to use the most descriptive and least offensive of words in my posts.

            The word, ignorant, is viewed by some as an insult but it is really a descriptive word that means lack of knowledge. In my efforts to chose the least offensive word for this condition, I have found that ignorant is far less inflammatory than the available synonyms.

            I am pasting a dictionary’s list of possible synonyms for you to use to suggest a less offensive choice, if that is desired.


            Part of Speech: adjective
            Definition: unaware, unknowing
            Synonyms: apprenticed, benighted, birdbrained, blind to, cretinous, dense, green*, illiterate, imbecilic, in the dark, inexperienced, innocent, insensible, mindless, misinformed, moronic, naive, nescient, oblivious, obtuse, shallow, thick, unconscious, unconversant, uncultivated, uncultured, uneducated, unenlightened, uninformed, uninitiated, unintellectual, unknowledgeable, unlearned, unlettered, unmindful, unread, unschooled, unsuspecting, untaught, untrained, unwitting, witless

            Since the statement you made had no apparent knowledge that would support the concept, I decided it was “without knowledge (unknowing)”, and therefor ignorant. If it was me that was ignorant, that I lack some knowledge that would have given me the ability to KNOW that they can know the thoughts of people who did not vote, then please provide me with that knowledge so I can eliminate my ignorance.

            Since I endeavor to select descriptive but non aggressive / offensive words, I would hope you might do the same. Your phrase, flaming rancor, is extremely aggressive and offensive. Flaming is meant to make one envision wild eyed extreme views. Rancor is also meant to be used for highly insidious behavior. Most definitions of the word rancor would not be applicable to my posts.

            Misguided is a fairly straight forward word that was used properly by me. If you want, I can also paste the definition to support my claims of misguided Obama supporters.

            To call a sentence, that has at least 4 subjects and several objects, a run on sentence is a fact. It is not being a grammar policeman. If I was so vain and obsessed with grammar, I would bring up many more problems with your grammar than I did.

            I will agree that the GOP was misguided in its decision to push Romney as their candidate of choice.

            I will also point out that the entire democrat platform is misguided, depending on your basis for guidance.

            Demographics is a slippery word to defend or dispute. It is a generalization, that is virtually worthless, unless you give examples of the exact demographic you are referencing.

            If you are referring to social issue demographics, then yes, there is an alarming and very worrisome change in the demographics. In this instance, I would say that NOBODY should embrace the change. Government should keep its nose out of social issues like sex, marriage, abortions and welfare. If abortion is left out of government, then it is neither legal nor illegal by law. That leaves the issue to be determined by the parties directly involved. If a woman wants to have lots of sex, and does not want to get pregnant, then she should be responsible for obtaining the prevention equipment required (that goes for the man involved also). If homosexuals want to get married, fine, but keep the government out of any support for this decision and its consequences. If people (single or married) decide to have more children than they can support, that is THEIR problem, not mine. If they cant afford to support their children they should either not have them, or put them up for care by another family.

            That last paragraph has no RANCOR in it, it is just a statement of my personal opinions on personal responsibility.

            The system is poorly designed for elections and needs to be changed. It is not MY personal job to change it, I can only talk to people and hope they will join in an effort to make the needed changes.

          • Bert Cundle Sr.

            Ignorant/////////////\\\\\\Originally… MENT: To, “ignore Power of others”… ( Political power to replace Regal Power.)

  • jopa

    Frank K;Yes I would have to say Obama had a landslide with his 332 electoral college votes compared to Romney’s 206.Out of nine key battleground states Obama took eight and almost the ninth.America has spoken.

    • Frank Kahn

      NO, jopa, Obama got 51% not 61.7% of the votes in this country, that is not a landslide. Using the inaccurate electoral total is deceptive.

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