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Christianity Not Accepted Here

August 2, 2010 by  

Christianity Not Accepted Here

Expelled for being Christian. That’s the fate of two college graduate school students at separate universities that apparently should just put a sign out front that says, “Christianity Not Accepted Here.”

Julea Ward lost her lawsuit against Eastern Michigan University July 26. She sued after she was dismissed from a counseling program in March, 2009, for not affirming homosexual behavior as morally acceptable.

While in a counseling practicum course in the school in January, 2009, she was assigned a potential client who needed help regarding a homosexual relationship. Knowing she couldn’t affirm the client’s homosexual relationship without compromising her religious beliefs, Ward asker her supervisor how to the handle the matter.

The supervisor assigned the client to another counselor. The university then told Ward she would have to undergo a “remediation” program to help her “see the error of her ways” and change her “belief system” if she wanted to stay in the program.

She claims EMU faculty denigrated her Christian views and asked inappropriate and intrusive questions about her religious beliefs. She was then dismissed from the counseling program.

She appealed to the dean who upheld the dismissal. Now a Federal court has sided with the school.

A similar case is ongoing at Augusta State University in Augusta, Ga. There Jennifer Keeton was told her Christian beliefs are unethical and incompatible with the prevailing views of the counseling profession.

She must stop sharing her beliefs with others and change her beliefs if she’s to graduate from the program, the school has told her.

“A public university student shouldn’t be threatened with expulsion for being a Christian and refusing to publicly renounce her faith, but that’s exactly what’s happening here,” said David French, senior counsel with the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF), which is handling the cases for both women. “Simply put, the university is imposing thought reform. Abandoning one’s own religious beliefs should not be a precondition at a public university for obtaining a degree. This type of leftist zero-tolerance policy is in place at far too many universities, and it must stop. Jennifer’s only crime was to have the beliefs that she does.”

Requiring a change in a belief system to continue in a university program is an Orwellian concept and demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the Christian faith.

You don’t “remediate” someone out of Christianity. Christian beliefs are rooted in Bible truths and faith in a Supreme Being. They are not simple ideas that you can pick which side you come down on.

More and more it seems the fascist elites in government and education preach tolerance of every alternative, abnormal, perverted or despicable, self-serving behavior that man can devise. But let someone profess Christianity and she is shown the door—or the losing end of a court battle.

It’s becoming painfully evident that, in this day and age, perhaps President Obama was right when he said ours is not a Christian nation. Certainly it won’t be if the elites continue to have their way.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • s c

    This is only the beginning of tales like this. Morality has been slowly contaminated by those who never had any use for morality. It ‘gets in their way.’
    If America exists for another generation, it is entirely possible that what we call religion now will be completely replaced by a ‘do as thou wilt’ mentality. That is, “anything goes.”
    Logic and common sense are being strangled by a mentality that demands a Hitlerian, pc approach to reality. Maybe Mein Kampf will be the new Bible.
    If you ‘fit in’ you’re OK. If you don’t fit in, your life may be the price you pay for that stand. Even Orwell didn’t allow for the breadth and depth of evil that is on the world’s horizon.

    • Norm

      s c
      The bible isn’t everybody’s cup of tea (no pun intended).
      Surely folks like you, who believe in individual freedom and minimal control by government, would not condone religion being forced down people’s throats by government or the “chosen” religious phonies.
      Honor and moral decency, oddly, have little to do with religious doctrine. Some of the worst, most corrupt people I know wear religion like a suit of armor, to hide their true corrupt being.
      The notion that an agnostic or atheist must be evil is pure BS.
      is pure BS.

      • Matt V

        even god warned this would happen to the churches thats why he said the secular churches will be part of the beast because the churches have been corrupted.

        • SMJW

          For those of you whom are Christian, I refer you to Revelation 17:17. For the rest of you, may God have mercy on your soul; you’ll need it! And Soon!!

          • Norm

            SMJW
            Do you honestly think that the 2/3 of the world who are not Christians are going to be eaten by the “beast”?
            That would surely qualfy God as being evil. Do you believe God is evil? Did He create good people only to torture and destroy them?

          • Jeff

            norm, most of the people in all of history will die. Matthew 7:14. Jesus is the God of the old testament and the new. they are one and the same. He is not evil, He is holy. Jesus gave everyone a choice and they chose not to listen to him. Jesus said if you are to follow me, deny yourself. Matthew 16:24-25. the heart is evil and nothing good comes from it. Matthew 15:18-19,Proverbs 28:26,Jeremiah 17:9. those who love the lord will keep all of his commandments. those are are the ones who have life. Leviticus 19:30,Leviticus 20:8,Leviticus 20:22,Isaiah 56:6-8,Isaiah 66:22,23,Ezekiel 20:12,Matthew 5:19,Matthew 19:17,Matthew 28:20,John 14:15,John 14:21,John 14:23,John 14:26,John 15:7,John 15:10,John 15:14,15,Revelation 14:12,Revelation 22:14. Romans 6: 14-16

        • AZ Rifleman

          Sounds to me a little like “The Pot Calling the Kettle Black”.

      • Stacy

        i did not see one word about atheism or agnostism. your rant is ludicrous. where did it say in the article that these students were trying to “shove their religion” down anyones?

        and reading your post, its only the religious that do bad things? so, stalin ,marx, lenin, mao, pol pot, kim and other atheists were angels?what i read from your post is complete anger and hate towards religion.

      • rose tripp

        religion shold not be forced on anyone. that is not what Jesus taught. it is a freedom of choice for each of us to make. therefore no one should be told that they have te be an atheist to graduate from school. what has happened to our freedom of religion?

        • Marten

          My guess is… there”s no need for RELIGIONS IN SCHOOL, period….

          • Norm

            Marten
            “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room (or closet.) and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret…” (Matthew 6:5-6 RSV).

      • Bill

        “Some of the worst, most corrupt people I know wear religion like a suit of armor, to hide their true corrupt being.”

        This is typical agnostic and Atheist rant, straight from the Alinsky playbook; obviously, if there is ANY sign of immoral behavior on the part of a religious person, all religion is condemned – it is a simplistic argument and demonstrates either a poor character or a lack of intelligence on those that use it.

        Atheists condemn Christians and those of other religions because of their reliance on “Faith.” Yet, from my observation, basing your belief system on the scientific notion du jour requires just as much faith.

        As “the theory of everything” continues to elude science, is it any wonder that the anti-religious amongst us have become so intolerant of the ideas of others that they feel justified in snuffing them out and denying those that hold them access to higher education?

        If my foundational beliefs were on ground that shaky, perhaps I might feel the same way.

        • Norm

          Bill
          I differ with you. While some Atheists are very opinionated, as are some Christians, I’ve never heard of Atheists killing and torturing in the name of their beliefs. Not so with Christians.
          Agnostics, by definition, have no opinions on religion and generally couldn’t care less about it or the extremists who support it.

          • Levon

            Ateists killed 50 million people in USSR and the reason was their belief in JESUS CHRIST.I was born in Osakarovka(prison kamp in Siberia) WELCOME TO THE UNITED SOCIALIST STATES OF AMERICA.Communism is here.

          • Levon
          • Don

            Have you not heard of Hitler. Did he or did he not kill several million Jews just because they had a religious faith. Was he or was he not an athiest or agnostic.

          • kate8

            Don, Actually, Hitler was heavily into the occult. He was funded by the Rothschilds, and was part of their Luciferian agenda.

          • kate8

            Athiests killed 50 million people in the USSR and the reason was their belief in Jesus Christ???????

            Excuse me, but I’m confused. That makes no sense.

          • libertytrain

            Kate – I think it’s an ambiguous sentence – Perhaps he means the people killed were killed because of their belief in Jesus Christ.

          • Gregg Pellegrino

            Don & kate8,

            Yes, Hitler was involved with the occult as well as Roman Catholism… both Mussilini and Hitler was Catholics, no doubt the pontif at the time was, if not complicite at least knowledgable of what was going on in the death camps! I was raised R. Catholic, but thank the Lord Jesus, he came into my life just when I needed Him! There is no doubt in my mind that she, the Roman Catholic church is the women who rides the beast in Revelation chapter 17!!!

          • Norm

            About Hitler:

            Hitler had to win over many people to come to power. Any of a number of individuals or groups might have blocked him at one point or another: German capitalists, the military, Pius XI, and the electorate, for instance. I would not argue that Pius XI simply put Hitler in power. Rather, he used the influence of the Church to promote a series of Catholic would be dictators, of whom Hitler was simply the last and most formidable.

            Franz von Papen owned the largest Catholic newspaper corporation in Germany. He had the support of many highly influential German Catholics, but not of Pius XI or Cardinal Pacelli (who at this point was Vatican Secretary of State). Pius XI wanted the Catholic Centre Party dissolved in favor of the Nazis. There were many in the Party who wanted to keep the Catholic Party alive and rule through a coalition with the National Socialists and German National Peoples Party; they supported von Papen.

            Intrigues rather than elections shaped Germany from this point forward. Von Papen was replaced by yet another Catholic Chancellor, General Kurt von Schleicher. Von Papen, aggrieved, is given credit for persuading Hindenburg to dump Schleicher in favor of Hitler. Von Papen promised the support of Pius XI to Hitler in return for Hitler’s promise to destroy Communism and make the Catholic Church the official German church.

          • Rebecca

            How about in the Roman Empire when Christians (followers of Jesus Christ) were fed to the lions? The “Christians” who tortured and killed were not followers of Jesus Christ…they were simply called “Christians” because they were Gentiles or Non-Jews. The Spanish Inquisitions were carried out AGAINST followers of Jesus Christ. Also those who were called heretics for defying the Roman Catholic practices were tortured and killed. (Read Martin Luther’s Diet of Worms). Some of you folks need a history lesson because if we don’t learn it we are doomed to repeated it.

          • libertytrain

            Thousands and thousands of Catholics were killed in the Holocaust – some were German, most were Polish.

          • Athrillofhope

            Norm, give me a break. Hitler was an atheist. He only used the guise of religion to swing public opinion, much like Clinton and Obama do (not that these two were atheists, but they are not the Christians they pretend to be).

            Hitler and Stalin and other fascist and marxist ATHEIST dictators have murdered well over 120 million people during the 20th Century based upon their beliefs. In fact, Hitler auto-biographically credit Darwinian-Evolutionary “survival-of-the-fittest” dogma as the inspiration and foundation for his attempted genocide of the Jews to “clean the blood lines” and create his superior Aryan Race.

          • http://naver Sook Cha

            It was Pope Pius XII. Get your facts straight!

          • blv54

            no born again christians do not torture or kill anyone, your going back to that tired old middle age crusades that were done by catholics, catholics are not christians they are a cult and all cults belong to satan, you don’t like christians and the world at large hates christianity because we believe the Bible is the word of God, you can’t stand the Bible because it convicts you of your sin, as for this article it’s a sure thing that we who are true christians who can’t compromise with the world are going to be persecuted and killed because Jesus said it would happen it’s no big surprise as the world gets more evil the hatred will continue to grow it’s really quite fascinating to watch actually I’ve never seen as much evil as exist today only proves the Bible right as to what it says the end times would be.

          • Carol

            How about Stalin and numerous other communist leaders? Hitler hated Christianity and said:
            Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

            National Socialism and religion cannot exist together…. The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity…. Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

            10th October, 1941, midday:

            Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

            14th October, 1941, midday:

            The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death…. When understanding of the universe has become widespread… Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity…. Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity…. And that’s why someday its structure will collapse…. …the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little…. Christianity the liar…. We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

            19th October, 1941, night:

            The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

        • http://winchesterarms@live.com AZ Rifleman

          It would be interesting to know who you know and how you came to “Know” them. Or is your rant just the usual cliche’ that usually comes with this particular argument?

          Faith should be worn as a suit of armor to protect the soul from the evils of this world. It is so unfortunate that those without it so often are unable to see evil for what it is and thus allow evil to pervade their lives.

          We are in a battle my friend, from the first breath we take. The sanctity of life by its very existance is at war with all evil. Our world is a battle ground…How are you going to fight if you can’t even grasp the tools?

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: >>>Yes, Hitler was involved with the occult as well as Roman Catholism…<<<

            Hitler was attempting to connect with HISTORY as an example he was following. Remember the first and second Reichs?

            Hmmm, wasn't that based upon the Catholic Church?

            Inquisitions anyone?

            Bob

          • Norm

            Evil people fight battles over Christ, not Christians. You make Christians no better than militant Muslims.

          • http://naver Sook Cha

            Norm, do you know what you are talking about? It has been christians vs. muslims for more than 1000 years. A good christian fights the good fight and abhores evil. Remember what the muslims say abnorm:

            “First comes Saturday, then comes Sunday.”

            This means that they want to destroy the Jews first, who go to temple on Saturdays. Then, they will go after the christians next, who go to church on Sunday. You say that only evil people fight for Christ? Are you sure about that, abnorm? Hmmm…?

      • alpha-lemming

        I know lots of atheist/agnostics and none of them are truly evil. However, they’re all selfish to the point that, “there’s nothing bigger than them (God??)” and they ARE the most important thing in the universe.

        • Norm

          alpha-lemming
          I don’t they are all anything. They come in all sizes, shapes, and personalities.

      • Richard Pawley

        “The bible isn’t everybody’s cup of tea” This is true but nothing said in it has ever been disproved. Of course, no one would want religion forced down their throats by government or some particular church. That is why the founding documents of our country forbade any state religion but the atheists like the ACLU have extended that to include God Himself. There really is no such thing as an atheist. Those who call themselves atheists are most likely those whose ego is go great they can’t conceive of anyone greater than they are OR they just can’t be bothered. An agnostic is the more honest of the two as everyone believes in something and even Jesus said that he would rather one was for him or against him than being lukewarm, and he said it rather strongly.
        “Honor and moral decency, oddly, have little to do with religious doctrine”. Yes and no. Honor and decency come from a sense of the divine within, that we are all the creation of the same loving Father. Religion is mostly man’s attempt to understand how it all works.
        “Some of the worst, most corrupt people I know wear religion like a suit of armor”. This may be true but that doesn’t mean what they are hiding behind is false. It may be, as there are plenty of false religions and false gods (some 3,000 religious cults in this country alone) but that doesn’t mean that truth does not exist. Remember, Jesus criticized those who made a show of their religion and their giving. That may impress people but not God since he reads hearts. It is also why my books have a spiritual dimension to them.
        “The notion that an agnostic or atheist must be evil is pure BS”.
        No disagreement here but S C didn’t say that.and Jesus did say, “Seek and ye shall find.” If you haven’t yet found then keep seeking, you just haven’t sought in the right places and I predict that if you are sincerely seeking and not using imperfect people as a crutch then you have a great adventure in store. May God bless you on your journey!

        • Norm

          Richard Pawley
          My only comment is that if anyone needs religion and a preacher to prevent them from doing evil, then they are inherently evil and are hopeless.
          If God knows what is truly in your heart, as Christians believe, then all the rhetoric and BS you profess won’t do you any good and a nonbeliever with a good and honest heart will prevail.

          • kate8

            Norm, your snide and contemptuous remarks about those who believe in God speaks loudly about what is in your heart.

          • kate8

            Besides, Norm, our traditional standards of what is good and what is evil are derived from……THE BIBLE.

            Try reading the TEN COMMANDMENTS and then tell me which ones you disagree with. Thou shalt not steal? Thou shalt not kill? Thou shalt not lie? Thou shalt not covet? Oh wait. Liberals want what rich people have, and will lie, cheat, steal and kill to get it.

            Sigh.

          • http://winchesterarms@live.com AZ Rifleman

            Well ,meant perhaps, Norm, But Wrong…

            If your philosophy ends with the evolution and history of Man, you have no capacity to judge “good” or “evil”, and are therefore limited to the processes of what is “appropriate” as opposed to “inappropriate”, since these are relative to the judgment of man and the dictates of human society.

            For those of you who are higher than that, “Children of God” then the wisdom of good and evil applies relative to elements of sanctity of the soul…Yes all are truely Children of God, but not even God is a dictator, and therefore will not remove the freedom of man to accept or deny his love. He gave us “Choise’ and the use of that impliment is up to each and every one of us.

          • Norm

            Kate8
            I believe in all the principles of the ten commandments, and what’s more important, I live by them.
            You with your hypocrite intolerance are an insult to the all your phony Christian values.
            “Oh wait. Liberals want what rich people have, and will lie, cheat, steal and kill to get it.”
            To call people who disagree with your views liars is ludicrous and shows your ignorance.

          • Norm

            az rifleman
            Just by your macho name I can see your a pious Christian.
            Do you drive a large vehicle and take Viagra as well.

          • kate8

            Gee, Norm, I read posts from liberals who ridicule the views of those who disagree with them on a daily basis. That would include those coming from you.

            Look in the mirror, bub.

          • Richard Pawley

            Norm, you are an intelligent man but some of what you believe simply isn’t true. That proves you are human, and the same could probably be said for 99.99% of the people on this earth, myself included. What some of us are concerned with is that you seem very unhappy and resort to name calling and ridicule, calling the little truth I know, “rhetoric and BS”. You don’t say you follow the ten commandments but the principles of them (not sure what that means) but if you follow the ten commandments your life should be happier than it appears to be. The ten commandments were given to help us to live well here, not to get us to heaven. When we die we go to be with those like us. That is why St. Paul even mentions that there are three heavens and some believe there is even more to the universe than that. The point is that the Messiah came to show us how to overcome this system (the world). He even said that the Kingdom of Heaven is not so much of a place you go to but is within you. You take it with you, if you possess it. No one can attain all this on their own. That is what the cults teach. Lucifer thought he could. Oh, he got his own kingdom (if you can call it that) but he did not prevail. As you say, God does read what is in our hearts but since he identifies with all of use, calling what I share BS or making fun of the Arizona Rifleman and others separates you from the wholeness and happiness you could experience. We don’t prevail, we grow or we don’t grow. Christians have a saying, “No one has it all together but together we have it all” I don’t know if you will go back and see this but I just wanted to tell you again, that while God loves you he also loves all of us. Those who discover this and cooperate with God and the Holy Spirit that He gives to those who accept His Messiah have a level of confidence and joy that can never be known by those who are just trying to make in on their own. David Dunning, a professor of social psychology at Cornell together with Justin Kruger wrote a paper called, “Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties of Recognizing One’s Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments.” This can apply to most of us, and it behooves us to separate our emotions from what we know. Those who have experienced God in their lives, not just intellectually, but actually, have a knowing that cannot be gained any other way. Are they still human? Of course, but once you know that you know that you know, one’s understanding increases and ones fear decreases. Fear is one evil spirit that even affects most Christians although most don’t know it. This knowing by the way only comes when one grows in the spirit and usually begins when one has experienced what I call the second step in Christianity. That has happened to more than a hundred million in the past two decades and you can read about it in the book of ACTS just past the gospels. Don’t look at Christians as if you would look at Christ. You should be able to do that but if you want the unvarnished truth read the four gospels and ACTS which follows it. Then you will know what being a Christian is supposed to be like. This presupposes that you want to learn and grow (many want only to teach). God has given you free will and you can believe whatever you choose but as for me and my family we serve the Lord, and we choose truth. And so I’ll say it once again, may God bless you, and may you one day discover how much he really loves you. When that happens all who know you will know it, even without you saying a word, and when you do say a word, if will be helpful and positive not critical and divisive.

        • Robert Smith

          Posted by Richard: >>>This is true but nothing said in it has ever been disproved. <<<

          So? Little if anything has been proven either.

          BTW, if you get to define atheists, etc. do they get to define christians? Anyone wanna buy an indulgence? Inquisitions anyone? But oops, they are real things, not made up by others. How's 'bout an old fashioned Crusade? What better way to get the brightest young leaders out of the way so old religious goats can take over the homeland?

          Rob

          • Walt G

            Actually, since the first century, the definition of “Christian” is one who is a footstep follower of Jesus Christ, obedient to his instructions, doing what he did, (that is, bare witness to the truth) and attempting to live up to the principles he taught A true disciple of Christ.

            A true Christian is actually quite rare, as comparatively few who have claimed the title, “Christian” down through the centuries have even tried to live up to those requirements. That fact gives the lie to their Christian claims.

      • Dan2

        where do you atheist’s get your idea of good or evil, morality! But, just know that your belief is of no suprise, you were written about in the bible. In fact everything that is happening now is written in the bible, you cannot escape it.
        My question for you is; If we evolved and just need to eat to stay alive, WHY DO WE HAVE TASTE BUDS? You see you were created!
        How come I can talk all day to cows, dogs, monkey’s, or whatever about Jesus Christ (god) and they don’t get upset?
        True freedom is this; being able to say “PRAISE THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST!” Or say “THANK YOU JESUS!” If you have had difficulty saying just those few words try and say it again. If you can’t than you are not as FREE as you think you are. Your spirit is captured by the antichrist spirit whom controls you! And are not free!
        This is coming from an ex-atheist, and talk of God should not bother an evolved from nothing person! The Bible is the only document that talks about these times and you are in it. Your “yes” will be yes, or your “no” will be no to Jesus. Time is short before the new age and God is long suffering for you to be there!

        • Robert Smith

          Dan asks: >>>where do you atheist’s get your idea of good or evil, morality!<<<

          Same as most others… Social pressure. AND when it comes to laws social contracts. IOW, I won't kill or steel from you and yours if you don't kill or steel from me and mine. It's been very effective over the years and no religion required.

          Rob

          • Dan2

            Robert, that’s a pretty lame responce. Again where did you learn about good and evil? You Don’t have to teach children evil, but you sure do have to teach them Good!
            From PARTICLES TO PEOPLE (biological evolution) where did you learn good and evil???

          • Robert Smith

            Question asked: >>> Again where did you learn about good and evil?<<>> You Don’t have to teach children evil, but you sure do have to teach them Good!<<>>From PARTICLES TO PEOPLE (biological evolution) where did you learn good and evil???<<<

            It's common sense. Do good and society accepts you. Do bad and it doesn't.

            Rob

      • JUJUBEAN

        Why is my religion so offensive to people who have no religion? And on the same point, why can they object to my religion and I cannot object to their lack? Why the double standard? And, why can they tell me that I cannot practice my religion? This country was founded on religious principles.

        • iowaheretic

          Religion is usually offensive to non religious people because it’s almost always the Christian that is trying to FORCE their Christianity onto everyone else. No one ever said you can’t practise your religion in your OWN life, just let everyone else live their OWN life as they see fit! I thought your “God” said he would judge people on their judgment day, but that’s NOT the case, is it? Some Christians want judgment and punishment here and now, on this earth, NOT by their “God” in the “afterlife”, but by their own narrow-minded murdering infantile belief system!

          • Bluerider

            Bulloney!!!

          • Robin, Arcadia, IN

            iowaheretic… You think Christians force their religion on others? Wait until the Muslims take over! You ain’t seen nothing yet!

          • Annie

            What a load of rubbish…When your backs to the wall, the first name you call out is Gods, for help.

          • Gregg Pellegrino

            You tell it Robin, Arcadia, IN!!! When was the last time a Christian offered you 3 choices: convert, live as a Zimmi who must pay a Jizya (Google those) read; live as a second class citizen who must pay a tribute for protection and as a sign of submission, or DEATH!? These are choices I wouldn’t want to make…

        • Robert Smith

          From Jujubean: >>>Why is my religion so offensive to people who have no religion?<<>> And on the same point, why can they object to my religion and I cannot object to their lack?<<>>And, why can they tell me that I cannot practice my religion?<<>>This country was founded on religious principles.<<<

          That's a diaper load. Where is ANYTHING from the christian bible quoted in our costitution?

          Rob

      • Don

        Reread the article the university faculty were basically requiring her to RENOUNCE HER FAITH! That is against the law, period.

      • John

        You MISS the point entirely. Any person should be able to decide who they will work with by accepting or not accepting the client or job. Having that freedom violates the freedoms or speech and association the Constitution provides.

        By asking “how to handle…” a particular situation in an education environment begs the question of the true role of our educators when they punish the question. Are they educators or brainwashers bent on control and manipuation. Education should teach how to best apply your skills and expand your aptitudes, not control or punish your personal beliefs.

        • Sheldon

          If you reread your post and substitute the word “religion” for every instance of “education” it’s the opposite side of the same coin.

        • Robert Smith

          From John who wants gays to change: >>> Education should teach how to best apply your skills and expand your aptitudes, not control or punish your personal beliefs.<<<

          Shucks John, can gays live by your words too?

          Rob

      • Carl

        NORM, you certainly are welcome to be an agnostic, atheist or whatever you want to be. Christianity cannot be forced down your throat as you complain. Someone testifying of their belief in Christ isn’t “forcing” anything on you. Most Christians will do nothing more than just witness to you of their belief and not badger you.
        What the UNiversities are doing are forcing Their Secular Humanist beliefs on the students.
        These counseling students are willing to refer people in deviant sexual behaviors to other counselors who accept their lifestyle. Why should any counselor be forced to counsel someone who they know they cannot help. A Christian counselor who counsels a homosexual to change his or her lifestyle can be charged with a hate crime. NORM, what planet do you live on? You have freedom to express your opinion, but you wrongly attack Christians on sites like this. Why aren’t you denouncing the Muslim religion which does force its beliefs upon other through force and threats of death?

      • William Barry

        Obviously, Norm, you fail to see the progression of factors that indelibly connect agnosticism and atheism to true evil. Not believing in God invariably leads to not believing in the Devil (who is VERY real), and from there to saying “There’s no such thing as sin,” and “There’s no such thing as evil.” Nothing would please Satan more than deceiving you into believing that he doesn’t exist, believe you me.

      • http://naver samurai

        Why abnorm, are we done with our tea bagging? By the way you sound, you must be an atheist or one of those who wear religion like a suit of armor. Obama bin Laden did this also during the election. I still remember him calling himself a christian and being busted on an interview saying he was muslim. Does he count also? How about Jesse Jackson, who proclaimed to be a preacher, but had a child on the side? How about Clinton? He said he went to church and was a christian, but he would be seeing many different women every week. I can see why being married to Hillary! Norm, be careful as you are walking down a road full of mines. On false step and you’ll blow yourself up. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

        The article is about a graduate student being kicked out for not having correct beliefs.

      • Athrillofhope

        No one asserts that the atheists (one who refuses to believe the knowledge of God that is created within them) are “more evil” than Christians. EVERYONE is hopelessly evil.

        The only difference is that many, if not most, Christians and Jews acknowledge the true wickedness of the human nature and take steps to address it. It’s the ones who deny the wickedness of their hearts that take no measure against it. Atheists have murdered well over 120 Million innocent people during the 20th Century–at the hands of self-proclaimed atheist (and Christian and Jew hater) Hitler and the marxist tyrants of the USSR, like Stalin, Lenin, etc …

    • Diana

      Most so called Christians do not practice what they preach.
      WHen was the last time you helped your neighbor?
      WHen was the last time you volunteered for any cause in your community?
      Know any hungry people? You arent supposed to judge others, it is not your place.
      aw..never mind

      • http://timodonnell.us Tim

        The true Crisitian does not boast of their actons. Most acts of kindness are done without any fanfare or attention from others. You need to get involved with helping people with a humble heart and then you will see who are the true believers. I went to Louisiana right after Katrina in 2005. I saw thousands of people, who left the comfort of their homes to help people they didn’t know. There were those who had suffed loses of their own, but they still reached out and helped others. There was a well known actor that really impressed me. when the news media came around, he went AWAY from the cameras and the rest of the team sheilded him from them. He was there for the people. Good actions rarely come to light because they won’t sell as good as bad news. Exercise of religion is a constitutional right. Those who say they accept All, rarely do.

      • rose tripp

        christianity is all about love for your fellow man or woman. I love everyone, inclulding you of little faith. i do all i can to help all people.and there are many christains like me who follow the teachings of Jesus, so please do not classify all christians as not following their faith.

      • del

        Yes. The Bible says we are not to place judgement. But, that does not mean we’re not suppose to determine what is right or wrong. It means you don’t have the right to tell people they’re going to Hell. Only God has that right, only he knows a person’s true heart.

      • del

        The problem is..those of you who are not Christains expect those of us who are to be perfect. No one is perfect. We are all sinners. We are all just mortal men. Only God is perfect. If we we’re perfect, we wouldn’t need God.

      • JUJUBEAN

        You are spouting liberal talking points and trying to FORCE people to practice what they already do as Christians. There is no need for us to proclaim to the world that we have helped someone. There is no need to advertise our humanity, we practice this. You’re only mocking what YOU do not understand. Where is your tolerance? You expect Christians to be tolerant of non-religious, but it’s never reciprocated. Go figure.

        • Gregg Pellegrino

          Judy… is that you!?

      • Carl

        Diana, most of us Christians do practice what we preach. We also help our neighbors despite what you wish to believe. We give to help people who have lost jobs or homes or people who have suffered disasters. Think of all the Christian churches and organizations that give food away in America and around the world. Did you ever hear of OPERATION BLESSING by Pat Robertson’s ministry? That is just one of many that supply food,money, clothing, blankets, shelter and so much more in places around the world. How many other religions besides the Christian do so much good for the world?

      • Robin, Arcadia, IN

        Diana… I am sorry you don’t seem to know about true Christianity. You must follow a different religion, heh?

      • kate8

        Before you see the splinter in another’s eye, get the log out of your own eye.

        Let him among you who is without sin cast the first stone.

        You know the drill.

        • Claire

          kate8—Good one!

        • Norm

          kate8
          When it comes to stones, you have a bag full. Christian hypocrite is thy name.

          • kate8

            Norm, and what would be your label? I’ve seen numerous mean and nasty posts by you. And you are especially viscious toward Christians.

            Why would that be? Are you not, then, guilty of that which you accuse them?

          • http://naver samurai

            Practice what you preach, abnorm. Practice what you preach! My whole household is praying for this country and for the removal of Obama bin Laden. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • libertytrain

            Kate8 – it is the old ‘do as I say, not as I do’ leftist logic.

          • Norm

            Could one of you Christians explain the trinity to me. I’ve read Thomas Aquinus and frankly I don’t quite get it.
            After that let’s hear about virgin births.
            Then why man and chimps have 98% DNA match.
            Oh yeah, how did Noah get billions of animal pairs on his little ark?
            If you want to pray (or is it prey) for something, why not start with knowledge and truth.

          • Norm

            I repeat the words of Mr Jefferson yet again:

            The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
            -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

        Atheists try to undermine Christianity by pointing out that Christians are not perfect. That’s transparent, and misses the point. Christians are the last to say they are perfect. The point is the principles of Christianity is what matters. What are your principles?

        • Norm

          Allan Halbert
          Sin.
          Be forgiven.
          Sin again.
          Be “reborn”.
          Deny reality.
          Destroy your enemies.
          Be forgiven.
          And so it goes.
          God bless you.

          • kate8

            “There is none righteous. No, not one.”

          • http://naver Sook Cha

            I don’t know who you are norm? All I know is that what you just said makes no sense at all. My husband must be right about you. You’ll say things just to cause hatred towards your fellow man. And jus who are you to say that if you destroy someone you’ll be forgiven?

            If you have a Bible, please read this:

            Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? Thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?

            Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? Thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?

            Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonorest God?

            For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles, through you, as it is written. Romans 2: 21 – 24

            This sounds like you. You are a hypocrite and blasphemer. You shouldn’t talk about God, because you don’t know him. You only know yourself and those ignorant raves against everything under heaven. You are nothing but a very little man and that’s all you will ever be, until you come to the Lord God and his son Jesus. I know in my country the biggest religion there is Buddhism, but I don’t believe in bowing to an idol made of gold. Sounds to me that your “god”, if you want to call it that, is yourself or this very small person president that is in D.C. now. You poor soul. I’ll pray that God forgives you and that you one day will see the light.

          • John Cobb

            Are you a Chimp? Where are the hospitals and houses and cars bilt by chimps. Surely you know better than most of what you are saying. There are all kinds of teaching out there that claims to be christian and is not. The Bible says in Romans 1 that man is without excuse because there is plenty of evidence of God in the universe.

    • GenEarly

      This only applies to Christianity,These Socialist Weasels would never dare to apply the same standard to Islam,which demands Death for such aberrant behavior.

      • Underhill

        I recommend to many the reading of “The Complete Infidel’s Guide to Islam” by Robert Spenser. I had to buy my own copy because I was under lining the library’. Naughty!!

      • Norm

        GenEarly
        Extremeism is extremism. Evil is evil. Christians get no free pass.

        • http://naver Samurai

          Neither do muslims or atheists. Which one are you abnorm?

    • http://lowcountry Myrtle

      Common sense? Not a term considered by the governing forces in this country

    • Gerry

      I find it strange that you compare a belief in Christianity with the alternative of Hitlerism and Mein Kampf.
      Hitler was born Catholic, lived with the full cooperation of the Catholic church higher ups, and died a Catholic. He repeatedly stated his motives in his book “Mein Kampf”, that he is “doing the work of the Lord” regarding his planned elimination of the Jewish race.
      Furthermore,he was to this date, never excommunicated from the Catholic Church.

      • del

        There are many deranged people out there that use religion as a means to manipulate others. Lot’s of people call themselves Christians but, their actions speak differently.

        • iowaheretic

          When Roman Emperor Constantine conquered Rome, that was really the start of modern day christianity – and the lies and cover-ups of where it all really came from. He was so ruthless, he would have made Hitler look like a Boy Scout! The Founding Fathers made America a SECULAR nation ( no matter what Newt Gingrich says ) and if people would just stick to that and practice their own religion without having to inject it into government and everyone else’s lives, then Islam would never have thought they had a standing in our government either! But then I think most of that is just BS, and just another scare tactic on the part of Christianity.

          • http://naver samurai

            We are a christian nation and was founded that way by our christian founding fathers, who believed in nature and nature’s GOD! Don’t forget that in 1889 the SCOTUS ruled that this nation is a christian nation. You can also see references to this in Washington’s Farewell Address, many quotes by our founding fathers, etc. I don’t know what faith you are, but I think you need to quit bullying christians and mind your own business. You sound like a stupid lib, commie, dem, and atheist. If you are, I really hope that you are prepared to see your lord satan when you die.

          • Norm

            samurai
            Our “Christian” founding fathers:

            Benjamin Franklin:
            The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.”
            -in Poor Richard’s Almanac
            Thomas Jefferson:
            “Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
            – letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787
            James Madison:
            The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.”
            -1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches
            Johm Adams:
            “I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved– the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!”
            -letter to Thomas Jefferson ohn Adams:
            Thomas Paine:
            “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.

          • http://naver Samurai

            Norm, don’t even waste my time. I know you probably just got these things from the internet, where you can print any kind of lie you want.

        • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

          People who have no moral framework don’t need to worry about disappointing anyone.

      • Bluerider

        The catholic church, who also gave us the inquisition, murdering of thousands of innocent people, where also is the seat of the Beast Power? That catholic church? Gotcha! Yeah, Hitler was just another nice guy, right?

    • Bus

      Seems pretty hypocritical of the schools and the counseling profession. They proport to be accepting of the values of others, unless those values are Christian which holds to a value system of things being right or wrong. In a relativist world nothing can be right or wrong.

    • Annie

      This is scary stuff, but what if one of these girls were Muslim? Do they agree with these schools beliefs? and if not and were treated this way, there would be thousands if not millions of Muslims picketing UNTIL THEY GOT THEIR OWN WAY. They are organized, we Christians are not. People are running scared of them, they are aggressive and we truly are the Lambs of God. We need to get more like a Lion and roar.

    • Annie

      This is scary stuff, but what if one of these girls were Muslim? Do they agree with these schools beliefs? and if not and were treated this way, there would be thousands if not millions of Muslims picketing UNTIL THEY GOT THEIR OWN WAY. They are organized, we Christians are not. People are running scared of them, wait till there are more of them than us, they are aggressive and we truly are the Lambs of God. We need to get more like a Lion and roar.

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

        They probably would have let her stay in the program.

  • Robin, Arcadia, IN

    So where is the ACLU? If they were ‘dismissed’ because they were Muslim, it would have made a huge stir with the MSM and the ACLU would have been all over it! I am so sick of the double standards! Our country is in deep trouble. All those who are apathetic to what is happening are to blame. Jesus even said that He would rather we be hot or cold than lukewarm; (for Him or against Him… not apathetic).

    • Doc Sarvis

      It is not unconstitutional or against the law to be a Muslim or a Homosexual.

      • Robin, Arcadia, IN

        Doc… What’s your point? It isn’t against the law to be a Christian either. At least not yet.

        • Sherian

          Amen…..this is apalling….We really need to see this for what it is …an erosion of the American Way of Life…..ACLU will stand for Muslims but not for Christians….Maybe we need to get rid of the ACLU..because it picks who’s liberties it will stand for…………..

          • slickporsche

            You have seen nothing yet! It is going to get to the point very soon where you will be persecuted for being a christian. Isn’t it written, that in the last days of civilization, christianity will be shunned and against the law? Will November put an end to this, or will the liberal movement grow to enormous numbers, allowing the Democrats to rule until the end? The thing is, if you really believe in the bible and have been taught the truth, then you know how this story will unfold. Are we wittnesing the last prophecies now? There is certainly alot to think about. Are you truly ready?

          • Stacy

            remember the aclu sued against symbols of christianity. they have never sued to protect christianity.

          • Richard Pawley

            Many are not aware that the ACLU was founded in the early days of Soviet Communism and supported by them as the best way to bring the United States into the fold of world socialism. People who have a strong belief in God are the only ones capable of slowing this down. The ACLJ (The American Center for Law and Justice) has won many cases against the socialist anti-God ACLU, even in the Supreme Court. Karl Marx was against all forms of law and was opposed even to marriage, and it his ideas that are so pervasive in the world today. The destruction of the United States has been going on for nearly a century. We have a chance to slow it down in three months but it will take a lot of patriotic people voting to do so. Even so I expect the inflation caused by all the money Congress has already spent to result in prices, especially food, to triple in they years ahead.

        • Diana

          She wasnt dismiessed because she was a christian. She stated she could not do her job because of her beliefs so she needs to find a career where her beliefs do not interfere with her work or go to a christan school and work with christian companys. The homosexual person was not coming to her house for couseling. They were going to a place of employment, different laws apply. it did not matter if the person was gay, male, female, black, white. You can not be a biased counselor and expect to get a job couseling people-geesh, doest take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

          • Robert Smith

            Diana said: >>> You can not be a biased counselor and expect to get a job couseling people-geesh, doest take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.<<<

            Apparently Charistians aren't training to be rocket scientists.

            The issue is: Employer, the college, said, "Do the counseling this way." The Christian didn't want to obey THOSE rules.

            Who is it that is demanding everyone else change to accomidate their religion? The court rightfully said that everyone else didn't have to change.

            Smith

          • 1minuteman

            if thats what you say then muslims cant go there either because in most muslim countries homosexuality is punishable by death. where are the liberals when muslims kill gays? nowhere to be found because the gay movement and womans rights are all afraid of the muslims but not against christians because they know christians dont kill gays or woman for what they are.

          • slickporsche

            You really don’t get it do you?? I feel so sorry for you and your tiny tiny little brain. Oh well, don’t worry, be happy. LMAO

          • Stacy

            if you read the article correctly, the student went to her teacher not to refuse the homosexual, but for advice on how to handle the person. it was her school that removed her when she came to him/her for advice. the remedial course is nothing but a way for the school to indoctrinate and make more money. i have found most “required” courses have nothing to do with anything at all and in no way helps a person in their lifes journey. most of college is make do bull just to keep people employed who other wise couldnt make it in the real world

        • Doc Sarvis

          My point is that homosexuals SHOULD be receiving the same counciling from qulaified councilors as heterosexuals receive.

          • Counselor

            What is being ignored here is that homosexuality in men was and still is a symptom of molestation by a male at a young age. Even those pushing the Gay Alliance agree there is a coordination of this fact. However, they say that the children are raped because they are gay at the age of 4 or younger.

            I am a public school teacher now. They tried to put the Gay Straight Club in and I spoke out against it. I almost lost my job. But through prayer it never received enough interest.

          • slickporsche

            My point is Doc, homosexualality needs to be treated like any other mental disorder, until they are cured, or deemed incurable, and then locked up in the nut house,and the key thrown away.

          • Gene Miller

            Doc,
            Homosexuality is a sick perverted way for someone to enjoy sex and is probably promoted by Satin himself. Did GOD tell the people of Sodom and Gomora that they need to see a psychiatric counselor? No! HE destroyed them. I’m sure you know where they are today.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Counselor,
            To follow your argument – You ignore that heterosexuality in men is a symptom of someone who could perform rape.

            slickporsche,
            You need to understand the term “mental disorder”. Homosexuality is NOT an example of that.

          • del

            @ doc, yes doc being queer is a mental disease. Thats why people used to be in the closet (where they belong) until all the bleeding hearts screwed that up too and started accepting them. The fact that people are using politicly correct terminology rather than calling them QUEER and FAG are signs that this disease is being excepted more and more. No I call it like I see it. They are QUEERS and undocumented workers are ILLEGAL ALIENS and the people who think different are not mentally challenge they are IDIOTS

          • Average Joe

            Doc Sarvis says:
            August 2, 2010 at 9:56 am
            “My point is that homosexuals SHOULD be receiving the same counciling from qulaified councilors as heterosexuals receive”.

            Knowing she couldn’t affirm the client’s homosexual relationship without compromising her religious beliefs, Ward asker her supervisor how to the handle the matter.

            The supervisor assigned the client to another counselor.

            In the real world, this is what would have happened….she would have referred the client to another colleague who was more able to help this person with his or her particular problem (regardless of what the “problem” is). What does a psychiatrist do when they have a client who is getting too emotionally attached do?…they referr the patient to another colleague. Once the supervisor reassigned the client to a new councelor, that should have been the end of it. Instead, the school decided to expell her because of her convictions…this amounts to religious persecution.
            I hope that when all is said and done, that these schools are found guilty of illegal acts and pay a very large chunk of cash to these women (read millions) and that all involved from the school administration are censured and fired.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Average Joe
            In the real world a huge majority of Human Services budgets are bare bones at best and handing someone off to another qualified staff person is NOT an option.

          • Average Joe

            Doc Sarvis says:
            August 2, 2010 at 12:50 pm
            Average Joe
            In the real world a huge majority of Human Services budgets are bare bones at best and handing someone off to another qualified staff person is NOT an option.

            I have many friends in the medical field and they as well as I would dissagree with you on this point….because not doing so would be unethical to say the least.
            I am not sure what kind of a “Doc” you are, but apparently ethics was a class that you either missed or ignored. I am certainly glad that you sir (don’t worry folks…term used loosely….very loosely) are not my “Doc”.

            To be matter-of-fact about the world is to blunder into fantasy – and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful.
            Robert A. Heinlein

          • Doc Sarvis

            Average Joe,
            Now we ALL know you are blowing smoke.

          • Average Joe

            Doc Sarvis says:
            August 2, 2010 at 2:46 pm
            Average Joe,
            Now we ALL know you are blowing smoke.

            Your qualifications on this matter?…Oh, I forgot…you have none.
            Unless you personally know me and my character, you know nothing.
            Your tiny little rant (which seems to match in size …your tiny little brain) was a kneejerk response for calling out your “ethic”, which you seem to have none of. It is apparent to most of us here where your liberal views stand…no need to dig yourself in any deeper.
            ” It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.”
            Abraham Lincoln

          • Doc Sarvis

            You forgot? Don’t put yourself down. The basis for my statement is the fact that, as I said; “huge majority of Human Services budgets are bare bones”. That’s a fact Jack (or Joe).

        • Matt V

          it will be soon god has told us this in revelations

          • Robert Smith

            Gene posted: >>>Did GOD tell the people of Sodom and Gomora that they need to see a psychiatric counselor?<<<

            Really… I'm curioius Gene. I don't want to miss any of the fun. What is "gamority?" We all know about sodomy, but what is gamority?

            BTW, did you know that heterosexuals engage in more sodomy that gays ever will? It ain't got nothing to do with anything except that there are so many more heterosexuals who enjoy things like oral (and other) sex with each other.

            Watch out! If you engage in phone sex you may wind up with hearing aids.

            Rob

        • eddie47d

          Robin and Sherian, ACLU wasn’t even mentioned in this article. Maybe these students should get them to file a discriminatory lawsuit. Believe it or not the ACLU is for everyone’s rights even though they go about it in a strange way. Christians and homosexuals both need to stand firm in their beliefs and we’ll all get through this.

          • Robin, Arcadia, IN

            eddie47d.. You are right. The ACLU was not mentioned in this article. That was my point. If this was a Muslim giving counseling and then removed from school, do you think they wouldn’t have been right there? The ACLU only serves the causes they choose to, and if it is a Christian who has their rights violated, they don’t come running.

      • Ruby

        Let’s not forget when all this started…60′s…Madeline O’Hare…school prayer blocked. It’s been downhill ever since, and we’ve been asleep at the wheel.

        I agree with Doc about Muslims. I was having the same thought.

        • Diana

          I agree Ruby totally. We always prayed in school. Guess we are showing our age. But now it is different. My son was meeting a group at the flag pole to pray each morning, yes at a public school. He missed a few days at school because he was sick. WHen he returned the people would not talk to him and harrassed him because he was not present. He said he would not go back. It works both ways so now we keep our religous beliefs in our home and church. School, work-that is a different set of rules all together.

      • http://timodonnell.us Tim

        It is unconstitutional to deny a person the right to exercise their religious belief.Especially when they are being told they HAVE TO believe something different.

        • Diana

          Totally agree BUT she is the one who had the problem dealing with the homosexual person BECAUSE of her belief. She was counseling people not flipping hamburgers. If her faith said she was not allowd to flip burgers and she applied at a burger joint, should they have to accomondate her to stay on salad bar because of her religous beliefs?
          haha, this is silly. Keep your personal stuff at home, period. No employer is going to face a lawsuit over someone else’s personal beliefs.

      • Gene Miller

        Being a homosexual is against GOD’s law. In my book that comes first.
        If you believe that being homosexual is ok, you will probably burn in HELL.

        • eddie47d

          If God feels the need to punish homosexuals then He will do it not you.

        • Robin, Arcadia, IN

          Gene Miller… I agree…. God’s law trumps man’s law.
          God gives many opportunities to those who do not abide by the Bible. If homosexuals choose not to turn to Him, then they will reap what they sow. We do not have to do anything. Last I knew they have the same God given rights we do.

          • Bert

            Good point. Totally agree. The same way as the pedophiles and the people practicing bestiality. We all have the same rights.

      • wayne

        Wana Bet if the students were Muslim this would never have happened?

      • del

        No one said it was unconstitutional. What is unconstitutional is the special treatment/protection some groups receive over others. The law was written for all Americans regardless of gender, race or religion, etc. It is unconstitutional to deny Christians freedom of religion while showing favoritism to other special interest groups.

        • Diana

          Agree but title 7 nipped that one in the bud.
          Try looking into the Healthy Workplace Bill, it’s focus is to make the workplace equal across the board and has been proposed in 17 states. I do not know about religous beliefs but it does endorse equality in the work place but that still does nothing to assist the girl who lost her place in school over the homosexual issue.

      • Donna

        No, it is not unconstitutional to be a Muslim OR a homosexual. Nor is it against the constitution to be a Christian.

        We are a nation of people based on the FREEDOM to be anything we want to be and NOTHING should infringe on those rights! And, THAT’S the whole PRINCIPLE behind Christianity – to love others, EVEN THOSE DIFFERENT FROM US, as we would want others to love us.

        Christians do not FORCE anything on ANYONE. We may talk about it and practice our faith. And, the Bible tells us NOT to judge others, lest we be judged.

        Yet, WE are the ones persecuted by those in the courts and education system just because a person doesn’t know how to handle a relationship problem that a homosexual person has?

        Are ALL councilors of the Christian faith? Were there no other to help that person?

        What that college Admin did was wrong. And, so were the courts!

      • Average Joe

        Doc Sarvis,

        as I said; “huge majority of Human Services budgets are bare bones”. That’s a fact Jack (or Joe).

        And your point is?
        ok now Doc Sarvis…this from somone within the field:

        Doc – not a Christian says:
        August 2, 2010 at 3:41 pm
        Hello!!! Did anyone bother to really read the articles surrounding this malfeasance? They were dismissed form the program because they would not publically renounce thier faith, attend ‘remediation classes’ and then tout the PC line!
        I have been involved in the psych field for over 30 years and there are NUMEROUS TIMES when very well respected Counsellors and Psych professionals will tell a patient during the first meeting … “I’m sorry, but I cannot help you with this issue. Here are a list of others you might contact who will be better able to help you.” THIS IS VERY COMMON PRACTICE! The entire counselling session (therapeutic relationship) is based on empathy and trust of EACH other!

        BINGO!……notice the line: “I’m sorry, but I cannot help you with this issue. Here are a list of others you might contact who will be better able to help you.” THIS IS VERY COMMON PRACTICE! followed by this line: The entire counselling session (therapeutic relationship) is based on empathy and trust of EACH other!

        Again, if you are in fact a Doctor, and you have the ethics that you have shown here….you are not fit to do your job….
        So, who’s blowing smoke now?
        Pour yourself another cup of stupid…you wear it well.

        Never insult anyone by accident.
        Robert A. Heinlein

    • EHeassler

      “Where is the ACLU?”, aka “Anti-Christian League of the United States”. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. It’s only purpose is to destroy the country from within through promotion of communism, sexual perversion, and the destruction of families. The great irony is that if the country were actually taken over by individuals like Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Castro, or Chavez – the people most admired by the ACLU, those same people would see the ACLU as an existential threat and murder every one of it’s members. The ACLU was founded to defend communists and socialists. Not much has changed except the addition of perverts, child murderers (abortionists), and Islamo-Terrorists to it’s list of preferred defendants.

      EHeassler
      USN-Ret.

      • Robert Smith

        EHeassler posted: >>> child murderers (abortionists)<<>> eroding our rights right out from under us<<< BTW, what about the rights of the gay person who was asking for help?

        Smith

        • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

          There’s not yet a law that says Democrats have the right to force others to provide services, but I’m pretty sure Obama would sign it.

    • Big G

      Christian are cowards. (I am Christian but no coward I am leaving a first line management corporate job even in these times) I cannot stand the policies and my convictions are coming in a direct confrontation with the HR department. When I leave I will tell them exactly why i left. My lagacy of work will speak for itself at their loss. Corporations and their control of policy is the root issue of our times. If we all left corporate and allowed corporate to be completely and utterly exposed the unabashed control of those without the beliefs of Judeo Christan values they would have no one to blame but themselves. A collapse under their own weight would change everything. We do not leave so we suffer and get exploited. I believe that is Good and right that we suffer because we are dissobediant from doing what is right, we deserve every single bit of it for standing by and watching the few who do stand up and not so much as even whimper a rebuttal. We have lost the wisdom and power of the holy spirit. It is not apparent in any of us anymore so we do not shine. We are cowards. The bible is right in saying that the many of will claim God but God will claim fewer than claim him. Unions have more power than Christians. That my friends is the root of and the real tragedy.

      • http://timodonnell.us Tim

        Unions and the devil are only are strong as we let them be. President Reagan proved that, when he fired the air traffic controllers for striking.

      • Deborah

        I admire that in you. We need to be better organized, we need to get this commie government out!

        • eddie47d

          If you want to be better organized then join a Union.

          • JUJUBEAN

            Unions are a huge part of our problems and do nothing but take the workers’ money and drive businesses out of the country.

          • independant thinker

            I belonged to a union one time and all it did was take my money it did nothing for me. It did not get me higher pay, it did not get me medical coverage, it did not get me any other benefits all it did was take my money.

      • Gene Miller

        Big G,
        I agree that most Christians today don’t stand their ground for fear of ofending someone else and possible persecution. The Christians during the Roman empire were the real true Christians. They stood their ground and stood up for GOD. Yes they were persecuted, crucified, burned and fed to the lions, but they reaped the rewards of Heaven and GOD. You’re right when you say that most Christians today will never see Heaven and that’s sad.

    • Matt V

      right on robin

  • Dan Higginbothan

    Just a request. I love your newsletters and have suggested many of my friends to your site. My request is this, is there any way you could put a Facebook share icon on your page so I can share your comments to my Facebook page to get the word out on the issues that are tearing our country apart.
    Danny

  • J.M.R.

    why would you want to know where the ACLU is they are as crooked as any group could get. they need to be run out of this country.

    • Robin, Arcadia, IN

      J.M.R. I agree that the ACLU is a lousy group. I think they should be held accountable to rally behind anyone who has had their civil liberties violated, not just people on the left. I was only trying to make the point that they are not what they pretend to be.

    • Matt V

      The ACLU was started by a former communist

      • Robert Smith

        Which one was a commy?

        From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aclu

        Crystal Catherine Eastman (June 25, 1881 – July 8, 1928) was a lawyer, antimilitarist, feminist, socialist, and journalist. She is best remembered as a leader in the fight for women’s right to vote, as a co-editor of the radical arts and politics magazine The Liberator, and as a co-founder of the Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom.

        Roger Nash Baldwin (January 21, 1884 – August 26, 1981) was one of the founders of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). He served as executive director of the ACLU until 1950.

        Many of the ACLU’s original landmark cases took place under his direction, including the Scopes Trial, the Sacco and Vanzetti murder trial, and its challenge to the ban on James Joyce’s Ulysses.[1] Baldwin was a well known pacifist and author.

        Nelles, Walter (1883–1937).[1] A graduate of Harvard Law School, professor of law at Yale University, founding member of the American Civil Liberties Union during World War I.[2]

        Nelles was a pacifist and frequently served as attorney in conscientious objector and civil rights violation cases. [3]

        He served on the faculty of Yale University law school where he often taught courses on the history of labor injunctions. His offices of the then, National Civil Liberties Bureau in New York City was raided by the Department of Justice on August 30, 1918 by agents who seized all of Nelles’ files.[4][5] The raid was based upon invalid search warrants. Nelles was a close associate of ACLU co-founder Roger Baldwin[6] and served as the first chief counsel.[7] During his career he litigated many landmark cases of abuses of civil and constitutional rights.

        Nelles is the grandfather of Amanda Pedersen-Norton a Washington, D.C. attorney and former chief mediator for the Food & Drug Administration, and great grandfather of Leif Pedersen-Diaz a South Florida television reporter.

        Smith

        • Deborah

          They all are. Under the rouge of bettering society.
          Look what Martin Luther King Jr. left with to help serve as his legacy.
          He and his followers gave support to the soviets and were associated with communist parties. Today, Jessie Jackson still lames the American Black culture with hate and lies.
          Black have been used for to long! It’s time that we put aside color and bring America together.
          American is American PERIOD!
          Christians, you have the power to do what it takes to get this all straightened out. Are you willing to do just that?
          Bring our ranks together! Our troop are off our land, we are the only ones that are left standing! Americans, it’s up to us now!

        • eddie47d

          Someone better stand up for the under dog or we all loose our rights. Whether it’s persecution against homosexuals or Christians.

          • Diana

            Unfortunately, that is past tense, we have already lost our rights or cetain cultures have. Idealy, briging everyone together equally fighting these politicians would be a good place to start and it looks like it is coming.

  • S P says:

    Progressives are taking this current opportunity, window in time, to get in all the programs dear to their heart. While I believe the general public would never condone such things it is clear that the progressives are not going down the vote route. They have infiltrated our schools and churches. Take for example what has happened to the ELCA voting first to allow homosexual pastors as long as they remained celibate some years ago but now have voted to allow homosexual pastors to marry. It’s a drip, drip, drip,of ideas and we all need to understand that and stand tall for our Biblical based beliefs. That means standing up wherever you find this sort of thing.

    • Matt V

      read revelations and Daniel you see that when the beast rises the mother church will be riding its back dressed in purple and red robes.

  • willrev

    I am a federal prison chaplain. We are not allowed even to deny any federal inmate in prison the right to worship freely – Muslim, Jew, Christian, Catholic, Protestant, Church of Christ, Jehovah Witness, Mormon, Rastafarian, Wiccan, Nation of Islam, Buddhist, even Santeria. If these women take their lawsuit to FEDERAL COURT where it belongs, they would win on the denial of their constitutional rights. Inmates have won again, again, and again as long as the religion is a valid group. If the person was a Muslim or Orthodox Jew and they tried this, they would get their butts sued off in the University and lose. Christians don’t know how to fight hard enough. The University has no right to violate these women’s CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOM of the guarantee to their religious beliefs. Would the program require a Muslim woman to uncover her head to pass the program? Both Muslims and Orthodox Jews believe homosexuality is a sin against God based on holy Scripture texts. All Abrahamic faith groups agree on this. This is a Federal issue and should be pursued at that level, especially since the universities receive federal education funds.

    • Matt V

      Right on Willrev

    • Deborah

      I agree. But, Christians are no longer a concern because they’ve wiped us out. Just our bodies have to be cleared and we will be written out of history.

  • wasadoc

    GOD is still in charge. At this point, HE is being mocked, but that won’t last for long. HE will handle it in HIS own way. Just watch for the day HE says “ENOUGH”.

    • http://libertydigest Viet Vet

      wasadoc and Jim Fishback are dead on the money. Keep up the fight and the faith! I Cor 6:17

    • Matt V

      This is all part of gods plan. Satan thinks hes in control but he not god gave people a choice and an undetermined amount of time to choose when god thinks times up that will be endgame.

  • namvet382

    Where’s the ACLU? O I forgot they only protect the non-believers, and the gays. This country is going down the tubes in a hurry and Barry is not doing a thing about it.

    • Johnny T

      B.O. will not help he is the prolbem!

      • eddie47d

        Blame B.O. that is your only solution to everything. Maybe if these Christians bring a lawsuit to the State Court or to the Supreme Court then they can act on it. The issue at this time should stay with the college administration or the court system.

  • Diana

    I see why she was dismissed. Even though I agree with her religous beliefs she has chosen a career which she would run into the sitation she did and I would ahve to side with with the college and/or her employer. Her religous beliefs have no place in the workforce. We gave up the right to prayer years ago, we can not go back. People are ostrasized for exercising their rights either way BY a christian or TO a christian. Bottom line is she brought her personal agenda to the work force/college and that violates everyones right regardless of who they are. What if she did not like people of color, or people with purple hair or old men that were bald. it is no difference. Keep your personal stuff at home, it does not belong in the workplace.
    She should have known better. She would be a liability to any employer.

    • Jim Fishback

      Good GOD ALMIGHTY Diane, Did you proofread your statement????
      You say you agree with these lady’s Religious beliefs????

      You give Homosexuality the same degree of respect as the color of hair or the lack thereof????

      This is a CHRISTIAN Nation, Founded by Christian men and women, of Color. I am not white. I am Caucasion colored a little beige if you will. The background of this note is white. Jesus was Olive skinned, leaning to what we all call Black (Surprise). So I love Black people and I do not relegate their plight with that of the Queers who Choose to have Deviant behavior.

      Get Real Diane. Julea and Jennifer will win eventually if they don’t give up the fight. Michigan and Georgia are absolutely wrong in their decisions.

      • slickporsche

        Hmmm you must be real priveleged to actually meet Jesus. Were you listening to him or just examining his skin color?

        • Deborah

          Apparently, Jesus appeared to man as man colors. From Native American to Asian…from Africa to albino land…
          We better put color aside, WE ARE AMERICANS! Slave laws have been passed! TODAY! Americans are SLAVES! Laws have been signed, sealed and soon to be delivered!
          Get your heads on straight! Those billy bad arses we stay away from, fixin to be our best buds!
          They have been preparing for this for as long as Bill and Hillary and their drug sellin arses has been out there, poor like us with visions of COMMUNISM!
          We’ve labeled people the way the lawmakers have seen fit. Now, Christians, it’s our turn. You either defend your beliefs and protect your GOD, or you let him die and you along side of him/her.
          We’ve approached this all wrong. The politicians don’t “pick” a religion to talk about. Christians, quit trying to thump the bible in peoples faces! It makes you sound like horrible people.
          Face current problems with the laws they’ve passed, our rights abolished. Keep it focused on the problems at hand and not the color of someones skin! Unless, of course it’s muslim…then you’d better pay attention! They shout, ON AMERICAN SOIL, “DEATH TO AMERICANS”…over and over and over.
          I do not know how to tell the difference between a good muslim and a extremist…do you?
          Their religion does not allow them to give up another Muslim to a non believer. They give aid to them and welcome them in, they don’t report it.
          Yes, Christians! People of the God of Abraham. We are in a bit o’ pickle here.

          • Deborah

            ummm..before someone brings it up…muslims are the son’s and daughters of Abraham too….just they are described as the warring tribes. They do share many beliefs as the Christians…only some chose to kill anyone that does not believe as they do.
            I’d say Abraham should of rethought his desire to have children. To bad birth control and abortions were not allowed back then. I know, I know…that was bad, I’m sorry I’m so involved in this!

    • Robert J

      Diana

      not to rain on your parade but what about the Muslims that sued their employers in NY and Ma so they can pray 5 times a day during their workday it would seem to me there is a double standard here correct me if I,m wrong

      • eddie47d

        You are correct -so Christians should be asking for those same rights.

    • Ruby

      Your way of thinking is exactly what brought us to this situation. You conform and decide “sobeit”. That’s the attitude that allowed Madeline O’Hare to win her suit to ban prayer in schools. Oh well, the Supreme Court says it’s unconstitutional; therefore, it is.

      Wake up Diana.

    • Matt V

      Diane you are incredably insane for what you just said i hope god will have mercy on you.

      • Ruby

        Definitely drank some kool-aid.

        • slickporsche

          I dunno man I don’t think it was cool-aid,it stunk real bad. I think it came from a jackass.

    • Rae Tatum MO

      Diane, it seems to me that a person who needs counseling tries to find a good fit, a dr. that the person in need can connect with. The same can be said for the professional. If you can’t help someone, you send them to someone who can. Just because this student can’t help homosexuals does not mean she can’t help anyone. My OBGYN can’t do heart transplant but if I need that, he will send me to someone who can. This school had no right to kick her out because of one issue.

    • Rick Quill

      Diana I disagree with you in regards to her dismissal being justified and the fact that their chosen career would require these two girls to have to serve people with alternative lifestyles. The fact is once they become licensed and go out into the wide wide world to pursue their chosen profession and are faced (if they are faced) with a patient dealing with homosexuality they could refuse to offer counseling service yet still suggest a counselor who does not object to such a lifestyle. Professional counselors, doctors, attorneys etc. do this all the time. If you go to a bankruptcy attorney for representation in a criminal matter he would, if ethical and responsible, refer you to a criminal defense attorney. If you have a bleeding ulcer and go to a plastic surgeon for surgical options that surgeon should refer you to one who specializes in gastroinstestinal surgeries. The same holds true for counselors…..I wouldn’t expect a marriage counselor to treat a child with an eating disorder.

      The bottom line is the Universities are in the wrong and their views and/or policies in this matter is indicative of what is wrong with our education system. The progressives have been slowly eroding this country’s morals and ethics for decades and the primary avenue by which they have been accomplishing this is through our schools be it public schools or schools of so-called highter learning. When you have professors in college professing that the holocaust never happened then that school of thought gets passed down to the level of public school educators you know there is a much bigger problem afoot. The progressives started out by re-writing our history books to suite their agenda and now they are attacking our morals and ethics. Why do you think progressives are so against home-schooling and charter schools? Those alternatives would/could provide an education that teaches history as it has happened and not as the progressives would have you believe. These two gals should be allowed to stay in school and finish their studies without the school being allowed to rewire their thinking or beliefs.

      • WideRanger

        Now, now, Rick. Mustn’t use common sense to muddy the waters. Common sense when out of style some time ago…it only confuses those who want to be confused and confusing. The bottomline, as they say in accounting,is that “Homosexuality is not a Family Value”. Some day I expect their ranks will be decimated by Aids and selective genetics. Until such time, they deserve counselling just as all ‘misfits’ do. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      So if there is lying, cheating, stealing, or murder in the workplace, for example, one should say nothing?…and should leave religious principle at home? Ridiculous. It’s not a light switch. As an employer, I would, and did, prefer a strongly moral person to an amoral one any day. Accomodations of personal traits are always necessary with people. There are many worse traits to accomodate than religous values.

  • Jim Fishback

    Calling Evil Good, and Good Evil. The Bible prophecied this but I wouldn’t have thought it would get into Mainstream USA, but it has.

    May the God of the Universe have mercy on the Soul of this ONCE great nation.

    • slickporsche

      We are all currently witnessing the death of America. She will succumb any day now. Her time is near.

      • Deborah

        you finally got one right…well at least for the Christians…they’ll be forced out soon.

  • Jimmy L. Shirley Jr.

    I have been a Christian most of my life. But I will say this about that.
    To some extent, this new anti-Christian bias is a backlash against lots of things that harmed in the name of Christ. Plus a misunderstanding of just what Christ stood for and what He stood against. Most non-Christians think we should always just fall down or bend over. You know, “turn the other cheek, judge not, the meek shall…, the golden rule, etc.” They dont know about what Jesus said to the scribes and pharisees and the very harsh tone He took to them as well as to the Jewish high councils. They do not know that He stood against sin which is explicitly spelled out by our holy book.

    However, look at what has gone on in the Catholic church.

    • Diana

      Great Post, well said.

    • Matt V

      yep the mother church and the beast

    • slickporsche

      The catholic church is leading most of it people to the lake of fire.

      • Gene Miller

        Slickporsche

        I agree Slick, The Catholic Church today is a disgrace to say the least. I don’t know of any other religious group with as many homosexual leaders than the Catholic Church. To make matters worse, the Pope and Vatican leaders have done a poor job of dealing with the situation. I once was a Catholic. Never again.

  • Patti

    Diana…it comes down to this….the Constitution protects these students rights to Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech….and noone, not even a University, has the right to infringe upon them. This is just one more progressive attempt at eroding our rights right out from under us….all Americans should be concerned and support these young people regardless of your own religion or lack thereof….it’s about Freedom and the Constitution.

  • Mary L Nyquist

    I would like to ask you to prayerfully consider consolidating your orgazinations with other like minded groups. My reason for asking this that my husband and I would like to be able to give to so many good causes, but we live mostly on Social Security and therefore we don’t have the money to spread on a lot of different orgazinations,but if there were just a few we could give a lump sum rather than little bits to a lot of groups, however, if you people got together there would be so much more strength . You know the old saying “United we stand, Divided we fall”.and at this time we need strong opposition to make an impact.

    Our mailbox is stuffed full everyday with letters wanting money for different causes and it is amazing how many are supporting the same cause.

    Thank you for you attention to this letter.

    My Best Regards,

    Mary L. Nyquist

  • Barbara Humphrey

    These individuals were not expelled from school, they were removed from courses because their religious beliefs prevented them from fulfilling the requirements of the course. These students were not expected to change their beliefs, but simply to not impose their beliefs on others. That they could not do that–they could not and would not treat homosexuality as an individual characteristic, but rather as an aberrant behavior that was immoral and needed to be changed–meant that they were not qualified to provide counseling to people who are homosexual.

    • Ruby

      But is this course/program a requirement for graduation?

    • slickporsche

      YOu see Barbara, that is the whole point. They have a belief in god and are told they do not have that right. The constitution is very clear on that. This is just more of the same disintigration of our society, and nothing more. In addition to that, it is a proven fact that being queer is an extreme mental disorder, that is treatable in most cases. I also believe that it should be like in Africa, where it is illegal to be queer and they are jailed.

      • eddie47d

        Your extremism is a mental disorder.

    • Deborah

      It’s funded by our money. She had the right to her beliefs and should be able to refer these type of people to people that wishes to help them. I guarantee you this…I wouldn’t want a personal health care provider as a gay dude. I’ve notice they are more prejudice than any other people on this earth! Well, maybe extreme, radical muslims but…
      I’ve lived through trying to get fair treatment from the “man” who HATES women, to the Flaming, drama, drag queens who would sell you out faster than a wall street crash!
      I was slammed hard when I breast fed my son. I was told to stay home to feed him. Yet, go to a bowling alley on Gay league night. You get to see bare hinny and articles of clothing that emphasize their penis.
      The drunker they get the more OUR kind become targets…either by your husband turning red from embarrassment or you because you are to this or that.
      More than likely, you can find most of the ones with an education was educated with Christian money. See how grateful they are?

  • vsop4u

    if homosexuality is a choice, and the bible explicitly condemns it; then heterosexuality is a choice also, and if the bible is so expicit, why are others able to interpret it differently. i would never want those two nimrods anywhere near my children. the palpable ignorance of the history and origins of the bible of all you thumpers out there, is laughable.

    • Matt V

      to bad your heart is dead

      • vsop4u

        ooooo, you really got me with that one matt. and i don’t recall daniel prophesizing greek mysticism; or jesus(greek spelling) being a christian(which you can’t spell). you probably think the gospels were written by so called apostles(who were invented by paul)

    • Deborah

      If you have a child that attends the public schools and she/he is in the 5th grade this is what they are told…
      It is okay to be a homosexual. It is okay to experiment to see if you are homosexual…You can chose both ways. It’s your choice.
      If you speak out against this, you are dismissed. It’s blamed on the feds.
      Have you ever been WOW’ed with stories that tell of bus rapes or class room rapes?
      They talk about sex with your kids and then say…go experiment…and you have no clue why these kids are acting this way!
      Now you have a clue.

      • Robert Smith

        From Deborah: >>>You can chose both ways. It’s your choice.<<<

        Doborah… When did YOU choose to be heterosexual? Is there any amount of money that might entice you to change? Is there any threat to your family that might entice you to change?

        Gays are threatened by DEATH for their choices. Do you honestly believe that they made a "choice?"

        Rob

        • Robin, Arcadia, IN

          Robert Smith… I believe that gays make their choice. Being gay is sin, nothing more, nothing less. I am not saying that there aren’t a lot of circumstances that went into their choice, but saying they don’t have a choice is making them unaccountable for their actions. A lot of what is wrong with the United States is this belief that accountability is no longer required, regardless of the situation!

        • Deborah

          Rob, don’t place a gay bar next to a cowboy (s–t kicker) bar. I mean DAMN! Those that commit crimes against gays, do you truly believe that gays are the only targets they have?
          The laws that apply to me, applies to you. Laws that apply to gays, don’t apply to me. Someone murders me…who cares. You, no matter what, will be considered a hate crime with more years to serve, or death.
          Hello, I don’t feel sorry for you. You’ve taken more than your fair share and still wanting more.
          You will never get a popularity award for being gay, nor will I for being straight.
          You don’t want a draw, you want to belittle me to make yourself feel empowered. Don’t work like that.
          Things will balance out again. If faith holds true, the greedy will gain nothing.

        • blv54

          I think gays actually believe they were born that way but what they actually are is demon possessed.people can be infested with all kinds of demons even christians are harrassed by them but they know to turn it over to God.

    • Robin, Arcadia, IN

      vsop4u… do you really believe what you posted? You think that Christians are Bible thumpers and you wouldn’t want them near your children? Wow… I would like to keep away sexual predators, murderers, rapists, and others that would do harm, but never Christians away from my kids.

  • Terrie

    I am a Christian and the bible says there will be days like this. Deception is everywhere. What is wrong is now right and the rightous are now wrong. We cannot even count on our own leaders to do right anymore. The Lord said to stay strong and have faith. We are not to have faith in our government but in God. However, the government wants us to forget about God and only look to them for our needs. I will never fall for this even if I have to live in the woods.

    • Matt V

      Remember there will be a time when being cristians wil be a death sentence the bible says this too just read revelations and daneil

    • Deborah

      We know where the deception is! We just have to figure out how to get rid of it! You vote for anyone in office…City, State and Federal (especially democrat) and you are a traitor to America herself!
      We ARE Christians and WE will pay a high price for it.
      Terry, GET YOUR GUN! You may need it for hunting or something :)

    • slickporsche

      And you will need to seek refuge somewhere and soon I fear. It is progressing very rapidly.

  • Deborah

    I do not understand! Some of you may never have been around “hard core” homosexuals. The first time I had what some refer to as a “flaming drag queen” was at work some 20 years ago. I asked questions and I got my answers.
    He told me what salad bowling was, first time I’d ever heard of it.
    He told me in deep detail about his sex life and HOLY COW it was unbelievable to me. Up until this point I though it was two men slappin peepee’s!
    I did complain, and he was released. I did ask. I shouldn’t have. To be honest, this man looked really sick. I don’t mean sick as in the “eyes of the beholder” but sick as in ill.

    This person was a temporary agency placement…he did his nails, talked on the phone and found every gd reason not to work. My work ethics were instilled into me long ago and are simply this, “You give your best for the amount of time and amount of pay you agreed upon. Cheat no one, don’t even take a pencil. Loyal to the company and its rules. And, most important, keep your word.”
    I did complain, and he was released. I did ask. I shouldn’t have. To be honest, this man looked really sick. I don’t mean sick as in the “eyes of the beholder” but sick as in ill.
    The colleges have gone this way for awhile now. We, the People, give billions to educate the poor in this fashion. Funny how Christians money paid for all this mess! We shut our eyes for to long.
    Let me say this, about homosexuality, I don’t care what you do, where you go or how you get there as long as it doesn’t cost me a dime! (leave alone my Constitutional and Bill of Rights)
    Now that the Christian churches have been raided our faith is close to falling. Gay priests have brought down the church and they’ve been interviewed bragging about it! The Pope called for Christian unity. Did anyone actually listen to him? Christians, within the last few months, have been driven in an Exodus fashion from the Middle East. Muslim countries participating in the mass extermination of Christians. Almost like shooting fish in a barrel.
    We’ve shipped in Muslims at the speed of light since this illegal alien president took office, POTUS. They are in place to take down America! They are!
    We are no longer desirable as people to the governing body, do we still pay for these programs? Face it, we’ve been used and we’ve allowed this to happen!
    People better start figuring out where they stand with their neighbors. That Christian, Gun Toten’, Red Neck next door you’ve complained about for years…may just save your life.

    • Matt V

      Right on deborah

  • Robert Esienbart

    If any of these schools receive one dollar of public money, they are violating the separation of church and state by taking a position against these persons personal religious beliefs. Even private schools that receive public monies for say their library are effected. I would not put up with this if I were them. I’d take the issue to court. Personally I don’t think there is a proper interpretation of the constitution on the issue of separation but it is the law of the land now.

    • willrev

      Right on. By these Universities receiving state and federal funds and DICTATING RELIGIOUS BELIEFS which are Constitutionally protected, then they are in effect ESTABLISHING A RELIGION based on their own beliefs they dictate this student must have. If government must not dictate a particular religious belief, then A GOVERNMENT FUNDED SCHOOL SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TELL ANY STUDENT WHAT TO BELIEVE OR NOT BELIEVE WHEN IT COMES TO CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RELIGION!!! I am a protestant Christian ordained minister. This is about the Constitution people! If we cannot take these rights away from inmates and force a Muslim or Jew who is in federal prison to eat pork and must serve an alternative food, then a government school has no right to force a Christian to go through forced “re-education” about her beliefs or they are violating the Constitution PERIOD! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! On the basis of what you can win!!!

  • Norm

    The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

    Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

    • slickporsche

      The catholic church is responsible for rewriting much of the bible and other attrocities. Do not trust the vatican

      • Deborah

        The vatican is all some have left to guide them. If the vatican falls, holy war will be nearing its end and we’ll have stood and let it happen.
        Christians are Christians, various belief, same God.
        Just like patriot Americans, we have to know who is standing and who gives up without a fight. We won’t be allowed to live. Past wars with Muslims, children older than 10 were slaughtered with their parents.
        You need more? There is more! Always more. Time for prayer and action nears. We’ve written to our law makers and look at how they’ve answered us.
        The founders gave us specific instructions on how to handle the way things are today. Read your Constitution! It’s not that long!
        The Supreme Court, look up Alito’s concerns to our illegal alien president. POTUS! He isn’t even Constitutionally eligible! Read the original and the amendment to the Constitution regarding the requirements of the president! BOTH parents must be naturalized citizens. Not to mention he was in a warring Indonesia and attending school…to attend school at that time was ONLY for the elite AND citizens of Indonesia. His admissions shows him muslim and citizen of Indonesia which did not allow for duel citizenship. No records on immigration showing him re-entering the US.
        So…where the hell did he come from! Main stream media needs to come DOWN and never heard of again!

        • Richard Pawley

          It makes little difference as he will be going back to Chicago in 30 months and according to what was discovered by the researchers in the Isaac Newton Bible Code Research Society, pretty much in disgrace for having wrecked the country. However, we have a chance in THREE MONTHS to slow this down by replacing the Congress who passed all his insane laws and spent enough money (wasted it I would say) that the result is going to be at least a tripling of inflation within the next few years. Yes, food and fuel will triple in this decade and some smarter people than I believe it will happen within three years. VOTE WISELY IN NOVEMBER AND WE CAN SLOW THIS DOWN. It is beyond stopping but we can slow down the destruction of the USA by voting wisely in three months.

          • Norm

            Richard
            The latest predictions indicate that the democrats will maintain the house and senate this year.
            2012 is a long way off but Obama looks good compared with the garbage opposition leaders.
            http://www.electionprojection.com/index.php

          • http://naver Samurai

            Only in your wildest dreams, abnorm!

        • Doc Sarvis

          Is this the same Vatican that protects all those pedifiles?

          • Deborah

            It was the vatican that looked the other way. yes, but they have power that we need right now and since we have very few friends out there, we take what we can get!
            The Pope is powerful. We turn from religion right now and we are SCREWED!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Deborah,
            Tell the children who did turn to religon and got screwed.

          • Deborah

            Society supplied us with enemies with our entire lives. Yes, those men have something to be judged for. I can only say to parents, protect your children. It is your place to see that they are safe.
            Trust no man with your money, spouse or children!
            I can’t help that predators infiltrated our churches. That does not mean all are like that. We need the allies! Better than rolling over and dying!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Deborah,
            So being a Christian is not a prerequisite for beeing a creep, nor is it a prerequisite for being a good person. Would you agree?

    • Robin, Arcadia, IN

      Norm… You have no proof. Your argument is lame at best.

  • http://sntsbell@msn.com Michael Bell, Sr.

    I was given very good advice one day by a very good friend. Mike, you can’t solve everyone’s problems, so you best concentrate on yourself and “have your own marbles” (try to do what is right). Seems ather simple, but isn’t it said somewhere that: “If each individal would try to do what is rght–then there would be that perfection in everyone, that we all wish we could ALL achieve!”

  • http://sntsbell@msn.com Michael Bell, Sr.

    I was given very good advice one day by a very good friend. “Mike, you can’t solve everyone’s problems, so you best concentrate on yourself and “have your own marbles” (try to do what is right). Seems rather simple, but isn’t it said somewhere that: “If each individal would try to do what is rght–then there would be that perfection in everyone, that we all wish we could ALL achieve!”

    • Deborah

      Yep, try talking to strangers, look at the distance look in eyes. They are clocked out!
      I want to share this with you as inspiration. I went to get take-out at a very popular Mexican eatery. As I was waiting I noticed a little old lady waiting for her take-out. After a quick glance over my shoulder at her, I stood with my mind racing to figure out where I’d seen her before.
      When I had my answer I immediately turned around, she was now standing, and I said…”You look like someone I know and love, can I have a hug.”
      She didn’t hesitate, straight in to me she came. As she hugged me, only like a good loving Christian grandma can, she whispered up to me…”who do I remind you of?” I answered, “My grandma”.
      Hug an old person today. They are still opened to it. They are a dying breed.

      • Richard Pawley

        Great story, Deborah! Reminds me of one in my autobiography where I relate sitting in a restaurant waiting for my dinner when I saw a family sitting several tables away from me. The young man was a soldier in uniform (somewhat unusual around here) with a woman I surmised was his wife and they had a cute little girl not yet two years old. I said a prayer for them and I asked God to especially bless the little girl who was going to grow up in a much changed world from what we knew as children. Suddenly the little girl stopped eating and insisted that her mom take her out of the highchair which her mother clearly did not want to do. The little tyke continued to insist and eventually prevailed. Her mother took her out of the chair and put her on the floor, whereupon she turned around and ran as fast as her little legs could carry her across the room and past the intervening tables. When she reached my table she grabbed hold of my leg, the only part of me she could reach and gave me a big hug. I was clearly surprised and when her mother came and got her she said, “She must have mistakened you for someone else.” I knew however, that the girl felt the love of my prayer for her and was touched by it and wanted to return it the only way she knew how. I talked with the little girls parents for a few minutes and after finishing my lunch I went back to the lab feeling very special that day. I had learned this from one of Dr. Norman Vincent Peale’s books and have had adults turn and look in my direction when I have said a similar prayer from across the room or across the street.

  • Lauri

    There are many many licensed and/or certified Christian counselors – which require a masters degree – in this country. This is a profession that people have the right to choose when they graduate. Thus, these women should have been afforded every opportunity to earn their degree and given clients whose issues are not faith-related, or Christian clients. As stated before, I am SURE if it was, say, a Muslim degree candidate, they would have been given Muslim clients or clients where their belief system is not compromised.

  • http://sntsbell@msn.com Michael Bell, Sr.

    I was given very good advice one day by a very good friend. “Mike, you can’t solve everyone’s problems, so you best concentrate on yourself and “have your own marbles” (try to do what is right). Seems rather simple, but isn’t it said somewhere that: “If each individual would try to do what is rght–then there would be that perfection in everyone, that we all wish we could ALL achieve!”

  • Holton

    What is the problem? She can get a job counseling for the Westboro Baptist Church!!!!d

  • s c

    My advice to Julea Ward is to transfer to a school where having to be pc isn’t a part of the degree program. Most universities blend ‘program integrity’ with pc and a government-approved approach, so if you encounter an issue that requires you to choose between your conscience and what is already pre-blessed by a school’s administration, you’re screwed.
    That’s “education” in America, folks. Live and learn and avoid progressivism’s negative influences.

    • slickporsche

      We have been doing like you say and that is what got us into this mess and place in time. You are dead wrong!!!!!

    • Raggs

      SC …I like you but I have to disagree.

      Why should anyone have to move to or run away from one school to find support at another?… Sooner or later you will run out of place’s to hide your beliefs. Is that what this nation has become?..

      • Deborah

        yes

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      It’s not that easy to transfer between graduate programs, and often a lot of money in student loans is on the line.

  • Guy

    What do you expect when we let courts make laws and rewrght the constuion to say what they want and we elect people to office Just like obama who anybody could tell was not a christean by the so called church he was going to and then we do nothing when he and his democrat followers start pushing islam on us and doing away with anything to do with christ and as far as the students they should have cousnoled thim with that homosexals are aganst god and stood there ground with them there are other schools that they can transfer to that is not like the ones they going to

    • blv54

      a good example of how much christianity is hated in the united states now is the cross that was in the mohave dessert since WW1 they put an actual box over the top of it and that was way out in the dessert where no one could really see it to be offended, that cross sitting out in the dessert with a box over it looked so stupid were they afraid it was going to come to life and get them? and then when the court actually ruled in favor of the cross staying put someone went out and cut it down it weighed a ton so it couldn’t have been an easy job, now thats what I call hate.

  • Stacy

    the greeks had a republic, the romans had a republic. they where both mighty nations of law abiding people of faith. when they started turning from their faiths and replaced republic with democracy, they were destroyed from within. they becaqme decadent societies with no morals. the same is happening to this country. political correctness id a disguise for the perverted to run amok. social justice is a phrase for disguising socialism. what is truly amazing is that the people who support these fallacies will be the first to be prosecuted when they achieve their goals of ruling. my only question is why they dont go to the countries that are already practicing their phylosophies?

    and my opinion of phychology is the commercial with Gunny Ermey as a counselor. a bunch of mamby pambies is what these so called upper education people are. they would never survive in the real world.

  • Raggs

    Well why don’t have just behead christians? That seems to be where this is heading ( no punn intended )… under heir obama christianity will soon be illegal.

  • Stacy

    a real counselor would tell these people to quit crying and to suck it up. the world doesnt owe them a thing and life is not “fair”! so for the males, grow a pair and become men. for the females, lose your false pair and become women. the purpose of the sexual organs is for procreation of the species.

  • Stacy

    and one question for these progressives. if homoseuality is ok, then what about beastiality and necrophilia?

    • Rick Quill

      Right On Stacy!! The essence of your statement here being “where do we draw the line and when do we say enough is enough when it comes to the erosion of our morals and christian beliefs?”. If the progressives and these demoncrats have their way homosexuality will be the norm, procreation will become the exception rather than God’s will and then we’ll have to deal with people suffering from beastiality and necrophiliaism who will want to advocate those sicknesses as being acceptable and normal. Where does it all stop?!! And now we have a POTUS who has appointed a sicko to head up this nation’s Dept. of Education who is a noted lifelong member of NAMBLA which promotes sex between young boys and grown men. But NAMBLA obviously doesn’t stop there……..as a result of their agenda they necessarily simultaneously promote the gay lifestyle of both sexes.

  • Raggs

    The beast will have no desire for woman….

  • Walter

    Every comment on this article has missed the point. There is only one faith that holds that all men are created equal and endowed with certain unalienable rights. The destruction and denial of the christian faith is the destruction of freedom.

    It does not matter if we are imperfect or fall short of the ideal. If we lose freedom we lose everything.

    People may not like the fact that the christian faith denounces the behaviors they cherish as abominations before God, but the Christians do not behead people for violating their rule of law with regard moral issues. Maybe the Christians should start beheading people. It seems people are more willing to defend and accept the faiths that do practice inequality and barbaric practices to enforce their moral views.

    I believe the issue here is more fundamental than anyone would like to consider it. If we allow the discrimination of views in education we permit and sanction the discrimination of views in employment. This can only end up with inequality being the rule rather than the exception.

    I am a disabled veteran and find the discussion here to be indicative of the cowardice and lack of honor in our society. You have no right to force me to live according to your beliefs. If you don’t like the principles this nation is founded on you have every right to go somewhere else. The problem is you want the financial and social benefits that were built under this set of beliefs and lack the moral fiber to live in a nation where they espouse your beliefs because your beliefs lead to enslavement and poverty.

  • J. Patrick Wills

    What I find on these-type ‘provocations’, is weak-willed students/people, whomever, who DON’T speak-up; raise hell !! – PROTECT THEIR ‘RIGHT’!!! The founding fathers would be agast w/some gutless Americans!

    There are several excellent law firms (ACLJ; TMLC; others) that beg for these type cases. “The best defense is a prepared offense” Take the fight (suit) against the PERSON that denied YOU YOUR ‘right’; then combine it against the institution that the provocour represents (works for) and I guarentee you they will buckle under “To be ignorant and free is to expect what never was and never will be.” – Jefferson

  • Bob Wire

    Hmm? there more to this then meets the eye.

    Your first question should be ~ what conditions prevail that a school councilor is required to do student’s dirty laundry?

    How can one expect a good outcome in placing responsibility on someone while denying them any authority?

    When is a school counselor an authority on such matters?

    My guess is this is a trial balloon to determine a point of law ~

    You could call it an attack on Christianity I suppose.

    ~ I call it ~ people attempting to find boundaries and taxing our minds and rulings of law.

    This is a good thing ~ it’s the system that’s been put in place at work.

    Freedom has never been “free” or for the lazy ones.

    That’s the only opinion I wish to offer at this point on this matter.

    While I wonder about Mr. Livingston’s direction of contention this morning.

    Is he trying to whip up some holy jihad this morning and attempting to raise awareness of this unending struggle of peaceful coexistence with unlike minds?

    Fairy’s have been with us since the beginning of time. It’s not new but very ,very old. ~ Most fairy’s have thought about this much more then us straights ~ as they are the one’s that carry the greatest burden, the greatest hardship. ~ It’s not a curse they chose for themselves but a fluke of nature as we see it even in the animal world.

    I do not believe matters of spirit are “gendered” but it’s a manifestation that exist on the random selection of the physical plane and it original intent was for prorogation.

    It’s easy for us “straights” to ignore it ~ and leave them to themselves and consider them outcast. But in so doing we fail ourselves in many areas of being “human”

    Are you sure you are in a position to subject judgment on them? As you reach out for early Jewish biblical text to validate your thought process.

    Myself ? a buffet Christian ~ I’ll stick to the “Gospels” as these later teachings work best to guide my life, in thinking ~ the coming of the Christ was foretold by the early ones and he would be the truth, the light and the way ~ and supersede all others that came before.

    I “chose” to believe this and apply it. I chose to not judge you or them.

    • Deborah

      Okay, I will agree at times nature makes a mistake, the chemical reaction in the mother should of/or should not have taken place during the gestation period. I further agree that in nature we see homosexuality in animals, however, these are often juveniles or omega males. Females often ride another, this is a sign of dominance.
      Funny how people compare humans to what I’ve seen described as “sub species” that I’m told have no souls. Homosexuality has been around for a long time. Plato and Socrates were in a society that promoted homosexuality, told the women they’d bleed to death if it was performed for purposes outside of producing children.
      Like I said before, do what you want as long as it does not effect me in any way. As long as I don’t have to see it, hear about it or feel negative effects. Sex should not be talked about in the office place and homosexuality, for most is a sexual choice.
      There should not be one law on the books that takes the rights from one individual and not apply them equally to the next person.
      We aren’t in shortage of corruption in this country!

  • CLARENCE SWINNEY

    No problem we are reaping newly found Christians in Iraq.
    Christian churches and schools are being built at a fast pace in Kurdistan. Christian Groups from America are evangelizing
    (1500 Million Muslims). Praise Allah!

    Sort of funny. Like my church. Groups go to Vermont to China and Indonesia to Evangelize. Yes! Vermont.*

    Yet! Cannot get residents in a few blocks of our church to go to church. Hundreds of kids play in street and yards during church services. Many have never been inside a church.

    Praise Jehovah! Such idiocy stuns me old feeble mind
    olduglymeanhonest

    * Yet! Give pastor 10% increase in salary and lay off long time custodian. Income dropping fast. Attendance dropping.
    Praise Falwell.. We are Blessed Ones.

  • eddie47d

    This scenerio happens in Christian schools also. Christians do try to “remediate” homosexuals out of church and Christian schools. Homosexuals are forced to change their ways if they are even allowed in the first place. I was saddened to see that these Christian students “had to” change their ways or not graduate. That is also wrong and discriminatory. These students should have been allowed to state their beliefs that they don’t believe in homosexual behavior. They would also do their best at attempting to help these homosexuals without compromising their own Christian beliefs. This would be a golden opportunity for these Christians to show their goodness and let it reflect on others instead of running from it.

  • Raggs

    Christianity has values and morals, our society has lost it’s values and morals… it’s an age old war… good-vs-evil…

    Our immoral society feels oppressed by christians ( mainly as an excuse to do whatever they want without any obligation ). our government sides with the immoral.

  • Deborah

    I’m going to share this with you, hope it’s okay…
    After I had my second daughter, her dad wanted her christened in the Catholic church. I’d always floated from church to church looking for spiritualism so I really didn’t care if she was christened or not, if it’s about God I’m good with it.
    The priest informed me that because I were not a member of the church, my husband was married in the church and divorced through the courts (he was still married in the eyes of the church), and she was born out of wedlock we couldn’t christened her.
    Didn’t phase me at all. Really, if that is what they believe who the hell am I to challenge their beliefs? Why would I want to bring them down anyway? How did that decision effect my life? not a all!
    Now, explain to me why a homosexual wants to be married in a church?
    They can have beautiful garden weddings, beach weddings, crochless pants weddings…but they are demanding churches that have had strict guidelines for years open up their arms and change their religion.
    That is bold to say the least.
    Not all priests are bad, as a matter of fact, most believe so strongly in their beliefs they would never touch a child or betray you with your family.
    We’ve been hoodwinked by the commies and we listen to it. Sit back folks, the grand finale is coming!

    • Richard Pawley

      Yes, Deborah, but it won’t happen in a flash. Even Jesus said when asked about the end of the world that it would be as it was in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, not just roving bands of militant homosexuals but greed and avarice on a scale not seen before. There is enough in the Bible and in the actions of governments going on right now to indicate that we are headed for a total economic collapse world wide, massive hunger, an extension of our present wars into WWIII which even Dr. Nostradamus (who I don’t pay to much attention to) said “would begin around the year 2000 and last 27 years” a new world money system, and eventually a new world socialist order with a world leader (a banker) who will require his mark (or microcomputer) in everyone’s right hand or forehead in order to buy or sell. All this will take time, so just make sure you stay close to God and that you have a good non-perishable food supply in your pantry. It will be better than stocks or bonds, or money in the bank. I write about this in my latest book. Don’t go crazy about this but learn all you can about having enough food that will last past the tripling of prices that is coming down the road. There is time enough to prepare, but not time to waste. Gold is likely to take a big jump in price too but you can’t eat it. God bless you.

    • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

      Hi Deborah

      I was marrying an italian girl and wanted her dying grandmother, who I adored, to be happy with a catholic wedding. I was willing to sign any papers they wanted saying our child would be brought up catholic, I was willing to go through the Pre-Cana classes. Then we mentioned to the priest that we wanted to get married outside. He said we couldn’t and when i asked him why not he replied straight faced..”God is only in the church”. At the time I was an avowed atheist but a hater of stupidity and my wife to be had to drag me out of his office while I was yelling what an absurd a-hole he was.

  • Tim R

    I am gay and if someone doesn’t like that or doesn’t want to deal with it or doesn’t want to associate with me because of my orientation that’s the way they feel. I’m not offended nor do I care. This is how I was born, I didn’t choose it. So they can just go away and leave me alone.

    • Deborah

      I shouldn’t have to deal with it. Actually, I’m glad that people are true to themselves. I just don’t want it in my life or life style. I have enough to deal with without worrying if I’ve offended someone…because I usually do.
      I don’t go to someone’s house and crap on the dinner table. I go where I am welcome and where I feel comfortable.
      Now, in fairness, you probably don’t crap on someones dinner table. But, there are plenty that do. Meaning is this, you come to us that are different from you and ask us to condone what we’ve been taught is not meant for us to be involved with. When we open our arms we are slapped down, degraded and disrespected. We are forced to watch laws passed that give preference treatment and labeled you as an endangered species.
      Attempting to teach our children that it’s okay to be sexually active at an early age and punishing them when they act out.
      Corrupting the church’s image when many churches looked pass sex and seen your soul as something special. Forcing hard line religious beliefs out and replacing them with what we see as “wrong” for our children and our families. You cater to people that care not for others but just a way of life that is already attainable. It’s never been that you can’t, it’s always been about you keeping it out of our faces.
      I don’t mean this in a hateful way, truly I don’t. A person gets to a point where we just want to be left alone. You know, the American Pie was big enough for us all. Looks like some got greedy.
      God Bless America and God Bless her People.

    • Robin, Arcadia, IN

      Tim… You did choose. Saying it wasn’t a choice is a cop out so that you don’t feel accountable.

    • http://naver Samurai

      Tim, no one is born gay nor is it in someone’s DNA. These are lies that have been started by the libs to make an excuse for your perverted behavior. Being gay is satan telling you to be that way. If you have a Bible, I suggest you read it!

  • http://msn Joe Melton

    I have read a bunch of your reply to this and it seem no one has said anything about tax money. If these college get tax support then this tax support should stop right now. Christian pay taxes and it is use to support our school system. Any school, college, or university that get tax support from the goverment has no right to say a Christian can’t go their.

    • Diana

      They get tax support, or federal funding and will loose that federal funding if they do not comply with civil rights laws.

    • Deborah

      Well, the thing is this Joe, the laws do not apply to colleges unless they (liberals) chose it. No tolerance for Christianity at all. Understood? We have been declared terrorists by O’bama to the outside world. I’ve found it buried in Russian news, I’ve found it in British news and I’ve found it in Australia news. WE ARE TERRORISTS!
      We have no rights, when the new tax laws kick in. They’ve went and passed SLAVE laws for us. Think I’m lying? you better start reading and catch up!
      We, however, are the wrong color and we do not fit to their idea of a slave. We are hard headed and outspoken. We believe in the same God but much different views.
      Taxes? Every tax we have, I haven’t seen the newest tax with the employment benefits yet, sets us up to paying the bill with absolutely Anti American hiring practices and charities reads immigrants, Americans EXEMPT.
      These girls that got the boot, this is nothing compared to what is coming at us. Your rights are gone and the government is planning complete control over you, your family and your possessions.
      Christians? Did we let our God die?

  • Emily

    I wonder what really happened. It sounds like we’re getting soundbites. I’ve seen too many rants recently to believe anything at face value.
    I am an atheist, and I believe there is nothing greater than the Oversoul. That’s bigger than me, it’s just not a god in my image. I don’t see believing that the whole world as greater than the sum of its parts as being selfish.

    • Deborah

      You are spiritual…I don’t have much to do with churches either. I do honor them though. Feels wrong not too.

    • Deborah

      Science…Law of Conservation of Energy states, A consequence of this law is that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only be transformed from one state to another. The only thing that can happen to energy in a closed system is that it can change form, for instance chemical energy can become kinetic energy.
      We are energy. Are we an intelligent energy? It’s strongly probable. To me, it’s as good as saying there is something after we cease to be here.
      In my opinion.

  • FreedomFighter

    Evil men will deny God. The foolish will deny God. The ignorant will deny God. The self-righteous will deny God.

    A righteous man will respect the word of God.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

  • Mick Russom

    We the Christians will be coming under increasing hatred in the USSA as it has become a decadent hedonistic progressive/communist enclave. But even the total communism of the USSR or Romania couldn’t wipe out Christ, we shall prevail over this progressive nightmare and over Satan’s cult of Islam.

    • Diana

      I know many people who believe in Christ who would not step foot into a Christian church. AS the one gentleman said, true christians do not need to step up on their soapbox.

  • http://yahoo Daisysue

    I am at a loss to understand how ones religious beliefs can be connected to their educational degree. What does it matter as far as education goes I they are a christian or not. That should not affect their ability to learn and by learning receive a deploma.
    Even more of a mystery to me is how could any court rule in favor of such a decision.
    Since freedom of religion is constituional right, how can these two women be denied the education they are paying for. They have to the right to choose who they will or will not accept as clients. As an example, the Homosexual students who wanted to join a christian law group/club on a university campus and it was ruled that in order to receive the clubs tax exempt status they had to admit them. No one was concerned about religion then..It is apparent that the christian mentality is capable of teaching law! How is that same mentality incapable of receiving a counseling degree? Should that not be the issue, not religion?????????

  • William Travers

    If the students had been Muslim, Wiccans, or atheists, would this have come up?

  • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

    It’s wrong to have fired a woman because she’s a Christian. Maybe because she’s a bad counselor for those who aren;t Christian. Being a counselor demands one keeps a neutral place while helping people navigate their own thoughts and emotions. Something that too many counselors, christian or otherwise are incapable of since they haven’t even cleared up their own hangups. She’d be best trying to get a job as a Christian Counselor.

    I’d like to point out that Homosexuality is mentioned about a dozen times in the bible and being of service and helping the poor is mentioned a couple thousand times. So what do you THINK God considers important?

    • jimster

      Everything

      • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

        Exactly. Everything. So how come these vociferous objectors to gay anything aren’t spending anywhere near the time and energy with that other stuff that’s so important (by 200 to 1 if my math is close to correct) Good try though bubba.

  • Annie Ladysmith

    Stupid, stupid Churchianity. Stupid true Israel, when will you wake up! What do you expect? We live in the world which is in the power of Satan. Your stupid, ridiculous churches are completely useless. You are again sheep without a shepherd. Why are you complaining, we are salt of the earth and enemies to the world. You have never learned to sow seeds in silence and reap a mighty harvest, just shut-up! I am so sick of hearing about you stupid persecution…read what happens to real followers of Christ in Revelation. You all make me sick! Get a faith, then go underground, and please SHUT UP!!!!!

  • http://yahoo Daisysue

    add on to the above……….Since there was nothing stating that if you are a christian you cannot enroll in/graduate from this class, should that college not have to re-emburse the two women any tution (excuse spelling) received from them???

  • Marc

    More information:

    http://studentactivism.net/2009/04/09/why-julea-ward/

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2010-07-28-IHE-counseling-gays-ruling28_N.htm

    I doubt that we’ve heard the last of this.
    Wonder if she would have been willing to counsel anyone who was not a Christian ? Wouldn’t someone not being Christian go against her ‘belief system’ ?

  • jimster

    Without a moral compass everything is acceptable. God gives us this compass no matter what relingon you follow. They are taking God out of our society and you can see the results every day.

  • http://campanellaacoustics.com/ange/index.htm Angelo Campanella

    The matter of Christianity and the Bible; Is significant historically. The Bible is a compilation of the wisdom accumulated from perhaps 5,000 or more years of human civilization experience. The ten commandments are the early codification of wisdom accumulated for more than a few thousand years about human daily transactions and the ways that such can cause trouble. All 10 rules are not to be slighted if one wants to live a productive and satisfying life.

    The matter of “Satan” (contras) involves the ways that occur outside these 10 commandments, that produce various degrees of satisfaction to those having a degree of greed.

    The point to be pressed is that it is a matter of impression; should one group have the right to impress their belief on another group? Up until the present in these United States, the answer has been “NO”. But this is in the process of being changed. We have “Annie” above stressing that “Dunede” is stupid for believing that the firing was wrong, Annie’s position being that Christianity is no longer correct or significant. Cleary, Annie is on the side of the College, and clearly the College is not Christian, and that Duende has Christian beliefs. It is also clear the Duende is in enrolled in a college that is not to her best interest.

    I am in favor of following Christian principles because Christ, though not God, had the appropriate take on what it takes to make Society prosper best.

    In contrast, the present Obama Administration has the DIRECT goal of promoting Socialism, which is an Oligarchy of the few, and in direct contradiction of the United States Constitution. This Oligarchy also includes teachings (apparently Islamic in nature) that are contrary to those of the Bible. On these two bases alone, Obama should be immediately fired (Impeached) in my opinion. Write you congressperson to do so now. This logic is very clear.

    • http://www.SaveLakeAtitlan.org Duende

      FYI Duende is a 60 year old male who lives next to Lake Atitlan in Guatemala and is enrolled in the university of life. The three volcanoes that flank the lake are my teachers and I get my report card from the winds that the Mayan’s call Xocomil.

    • Marc

      not so clear……..

  • Sharon DeAndrea

    STICK TO THE TRUTH – WHAT IS THE RIGHT BELIEF – FIND A JOB AS A CHRISTIAN COUNSELOR – NEVER AGREE WITH WHAT IS INCORRECT – TELL THEM WHY THEY HAVE PROBLEMS – IT IS WRONG – TAKE A LOWER GRADE IN SCHOOL – ASK GOD WHAT HE WOULD HAVE YOU DO OR SAY – EXPECT AN ANSWER – HE STILL SPEAKS TODAY!

  • Doc – not a Christian

    Hello!!! Did anyone bother to really read the articles surrounding this malfeasance? They were dismissed form the program because they would not publically renounce thier faith, attend ‘remediation classes’ and then tout the PC line!
    I have been involved in the psych field for over 30 years and there are NUMEROUS TIMES when very well respected Counsellors and Psych professionals will tell a patient during the first meeting … “I’m sorry, but I cannot help you with this issue. Here are a list of others you might contact who will be better able to help you.” THIS IS VERY COMMON PRACTICE! The entire counselling session (therapeutic relationship) is based on empathy and trust of EACH other!
    The schools’ reaction should have been to teach them the right way to properly and easily exit a non-therapuetic relationship. Period. They do need to learn this as it happens frequently!
    IT IS NOT ABOUT THEIR PERSONAL BELIEFS per se’, it is about the leftists determining the mindset of the students. Punishment of non-conversion to the leftists way of thinking is that your education is gone and prefessional life is ruined! THAT is what the lawsuit is about! Let’s stick to the REAL problem here – mind control over students and severe punsihment for having your own beliefs!! As I said in the beginning, I am NOT a Christian, but I will fight to the death for these girls and anyone else like them … to preserve their rights to believe whatever they choose! This IS after all supposed to be America! People still HAVE rights (until the socialists succeed in taking them all away)!

  • Forest

    What if the dissenting student had been a Muslim?

  • Angelwannabe

    RightTTTT___ER, Christian students are suppose to change they’re belief system, to be more morally & socially acceptable, Huh?____I say stick to your guns kids, hold fast to your beliefs___Regardless of what the authorities say!!!___Homosexuality is NOT NORMAL, NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT, OUR GRANDKIDS KNOW IT TOO!!!___I’D TELLEM TO KISS OFF!

  • Boo Ewald Taylor, IL

    So unliberal for liberals to deny you whatever you want to believe. It always seemed so hypocritical of them to be intolerant when someone believes or sayssomething different.

  • Ernie Webb

    Hi! Ernie Webb, here. Vietnam vet, Purple Heart, 2 Silver stars, etc. I am pissed. I have written a novel on the coming destruction of our nation—- if we do not develop more backbone. I encourage everyone to read it— and if any bonafide conservative organization wants to sponsor it — or sell through their website— I will be glad to share any possible profits. Below– read the back cover synopsis. What I do want to emphasize— this is not a racist book. I have fought along too many fine men of all colors. For our country to survive— we need to evaluate each other on the Character of our souls— not the color of our skins. It has some great reviews — go to amazon/
    Hi. Ernie Webb here. Vietnam Vet, concerned citizen, and author of a conservative values novel. The democratic pollster, Pat Caddell, recently stated that he thought “America is in a pre-revolutionary mode.” The reporter Carl Bernstein stated that he thinks we are in an “intellectural, cultural war.” That is the context of my book. RESCUING AMERICA! WE ARE TAKING HER BACK1 It is available on Amazon- Kindle. Some excellent reviews. Soon to be in paperback.. Would be delighted to discuss it — and the implications – with you. Below is the back cover synopsis of the book—- and a review by one best selling author. Tony Herbert’s book SOLDIER was at the top of the NYT bestseller list for several weeks in 1970.

    Rescuing America! We Are Taking Her Back!

    The year was 2020. Middle America had had enough. Frustrated and angry at the corruption, greed and incompetence exhibited by the government and corporate America, tired of being ridiculed by the liberal press, and furious at the government’s failure to control terrorism and illegal immigration, middle America was ready to respond. Then, two distinct and terrible disasters greatly magnified all of these problems. First, there was a natural disaster of Biblical proportions. This was followed by multiple Islamic terrorist attacks. America was weakened beyond belief. The situation was critical. Middle America responded as they always have: working together. But would that be enough? Could we show enough resolve to keep our foreign enemies from attacking us? Could we in Middle America succeed in forcing our government to return to the tenets and values of our Founding Fathers? Could we become, again, a nation of laws as enumerated by the U.S. Constitution? It would be a tough fight, but do not discount the power of the American people. Once riled, we are a force with which to be reckoned! And we are riled!
    The Second Amendment to Our Constitution is our insurance policy.

    Ernie Webb is retired from the U.S. Army and is currently an adjunct professor of English at Troy University in Pensacola, Florida. He and his wife of 48 years settled in Pensacola to be near their two wonderful grandchildren, Makenna and Miller.

    While serving in Vietnam, Ernie received the Purple Heart and five decorations for valor, including two Silver Stars
    Herbert Review If ever there has been a more timely novel in my life time, I am unaware of it. It is one with which every concerned American should become familiar. And which every one of our present day politicos should be forced to read, twice at least; and to confront on a daily basis.
    Webb is no fly-by-night journalist, out to make a buck or establish a career. He is a retired U.S. Army airborne ranger Lieutenant Colonel West Point graduate, legitimate Vietnam Veteran Hero with a string of combat decorations that put to shame any of our present day military commanders for what they wear on their chests as medals, and a legitimate historian by education, as well as a deeply concerned American citizen.
    The book is more than just a novel; it’s an American MEIN KAMPF, warning us of what might come to be, if we don’t catch on before it’s too late.
    Yellowstone, of course, hasn’t blown. And there hasn’t been a nuclear strike here in America. Yet. But Katrina has occurred. And the Gulf disaster is in progress; probably to influence our futures even more than would have a low level nuclear strike. The Tea Party and now the Sovereigns are growing exponentially, in large part due to our present leadership’s failure to respond to its constituency. The competition for jobs, food, shelter, a better way of life, and individual and family security has already begun. And who dares risk predicting just how close in time that first nuc will come, as a result of our leaderships failure to confront the sources of the expanding worldwide terrorism against us, and to all but ignore the even more dangerous establishing of enemy enclaves in virtually every major city of the nations which used to refer to themselves as members of “the free world?” The replacing of our way of life by crushing it, and the establishment of their way – by brutal force.
    Webb’s account has more predictive validity than did either Orwell’s 1984 or Huxley’s BRAVE NEW WORLD had upon publication. And at even more terrifying philosophical existential level it comes across on a par with Camus’ THE PLAGUE, except for the more positive conclusion, which we better all hope is the more likely.
    It’s a great piece of literature, with all the suspense of the Black Sunday movie and the action of all the Die Hards combined.
    Read it. Digest it. Because if governments are permitted to continue on their present courses, we may all soon be required to live it.

    Tony Herbert

  • Another Voice

    They were not expelled from the Universities, just the counseling programs. So what’s the big deal? They can always transfer to right-wing schools and finish their degrees. BTW, many right-wing schools will expel students for not conforming to their beliefs, so what’s the difference?

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      Couple of points. “Transferring” at the graduate level is not a simple matter as for an udergrad or high school student. Secondly, there aren’t that as many conservative schools as you might think.

  • MRAMERICA

    Novalis, once wrote, “Christianity is the root of all democracy, the highest fact in the rights of man”. If we’re to accept this 18th century philosopher’s belief, and take it to its conclusion, then we could also believe that to denounce Christianity and destroy its spiritual influence, would in effect be detrimental to our democracy. And this is the intent of the post modern moral order, alive and well in the White House, the progressive movement, and on university campuses.

    • Rusticus

      This is rubbish. You have the source of morality backwards. Humans didn’t learn morality from religion. Religion based what it calls morality on an imperfect understand of human morality.

      Humans are intrinsically moral. Moral people act morally. It takes religion to make a good man do evil things.

      I’m sure the two people in this article who were dismissed from their schools were dismissed because they were too judgmental to be effective in helping people. Their opinions of homosexuals were, I’m sure, just the tip of the iceberg and an indication of their opinions about all people.

      People cannot be effective counselors if they prejudge everyone who comes to them. They were clearly in the wrong field.

      • MRAMERICA

        The only “Rubbish” in this dialogue is the inane nonsense you’ve given in your reply. The fact is, the very foundation of western civilization, is based in Christianity, specifically Catholicism. There are numerous volumes written attesting to this belief. Democracy is a manifestation of this. As for the two students,
        theirs is a free speech and religious freedom right. They should not have to compromise their principles and beliefs.

  • http://gmail i41

    Another Voice, you are stuck with your head in the ether. Conservative colleges and schools could not expell a faggot freak, muslim or a wickan. There would be a civil rights law suit. Same goes for the protesting and rabble rousing of the illegals, black groups and even black congress people,they don’t abide by the social norms and rules on what is allowed to be said. Onumnutts and all the love for muslim marxist pedophiles and their barbaric behavior crap. Abraham sure did start the peoples, who later took up the muslim ideology, 7th century goat riding freak named mohamid started the Islam ideolgy, using a clay figurine of the moon god and called Allah. The reason so many sand dune ragheads follow the pedophile ideology, was they were forced to convert or die, no free choice. Runp rangers have to choices, either get married or die in some barbaric way. Muslim ideolgy doesn’t classify sex between a adult male and a boy as sodomy. They can take a young male boy under 10 to have sex with, even their own child, adult males can use and abuse male or females of their families, but girls can be killed in a “honor” killing by what ever method is handy. For you earthers, non Christians, athietists, or another morons with out a moral compass, shouldn’t have a problem becoming muslims, since there is no baic standrads, but what every dreamed up. like marring a baby! What a bunch of marxist controlling idoits, where by a dictator or an ideology driven bunch of socialist democrats. Anything is fine and just OK in a liberals rules book as long as they don’t have to follow them, as it might be an inconveince to a democrat.

  • June

    my question? would they toss a student that was Muslim and said basically the same thing? Me thinks NOT…

  • http://Micahfour@aol.com Micah

    “Advocates of “tolerance” are mystics who contend that the subject requiring “tolerance” must be forgiven anything and that morality can be dismissed completely if only we have enough love and understanding for the criminal or the depraved. Example: Homosexuals must be “tolerated” because they are sexual perverts.
    In the above example “tolerance’ means the appeasement of perversion for no other purpose than the destruction of regard for law, civilization, and objective standards of morality.”

  • Claire

    The Islam/Muslim religion (cult) is deplorable. I have no room in my life for this demonic group. I am going to start a war here but facts are facts. Look what some of the Catholic priests have done. Look what some of the other clergy. have done. The so-called ministers of gospel on TV and their money-making schemes and trysts. I think there is good and bad in our own religions here in America. They preach from the Bible and have a secret life that is sometimes unbelievable.

    • William Barry

      The Islamists hate us because we exist. They hate us because we stand in the way of their ultimate goals: conquering Earth and then making war on the entire Universe. They hate us because we are not Muslims. Furthermore, they believe that they are superior to us… so they believe that gives them the right to hate us. And while we’re on the subject of rights, as far as they are concerned, we have only ONE right… the right to DIE.

  • Pete

    I worked in the counseling field for 10yrs until I decided that I needed to move on. One thing, as a child I was molested by a man and while I did the necessary work to move past and become a survivor, I in talking with the director of nursing who agreed, that I would not be assigned patients that were molesters or sexual preditators. I knew they were sic people but in all good conscious I could not be the type of counselor they needed and they would work with someone that wouldnt be biased. These 2 cases are no different, these people had a conflict and the healthy thing is to let someone else work with them, not punish them for being honest and sticking to their principals, christian or otherwise!!!! The patients or clients can be assigned to someone that is impartial can help them in the way they need and the 2 counselors can work with people that dont force them to go against their principals!!!

    • Donald

      This is the most sensible thing I’ve seen in this whole discussion. In professional counseling, the counsellor should not be pushing his or her beliefs on the client. The counselor is there to help the client arrive at an outcome that feels right to the client. Some religious counselors are capable of doing this and others are not. However, there are not enough facts about what the University program directors really told the students.

  • http://charter.net susanburnette

    you see that everyone is down on christians and they are taught to love other people yet the muslims are taught to kill people that do not belive as they do diversity is destorying our country christian can not talk but muslims and kill the christians and we don’t do a damn thing . God help- our free country.free for everyone that doesn’t like our way of life.

  • Jim Kilpatrick

    If these two were Muslims, I doubt that they would have been kicked out of school.

    • Ray Nicoski

      You should see how the muslims are getting their way in our town. Time eat while working .Time to pray to Ala 3 times a day while at work.etc.

  • Janet

    I think you guys have gotten totally off the issue, which is OUR FREEDOM OF RELIGION! The Constitution of the United States of America states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or (prohibiting the free exercise therof)
    Amendment 1 of the Bill of Rights!!! The school does not have the constitutional RIGHT to dismiss those students!!! It doesn’t matter what religion you are or aren’t!

    • Rusticus

      It’s not about their religion. It’s about their unsuitability to counsel anyone, gay or straight. Rather than accept that reality, which could be painful, it was easier for them to claim “religious persecution.”

      • Richard Pawley

        I don’t see how you can come to that conclusion if you take the story at face value and if the facts are as stated. I see no reason from the story that would indicate that these two students could not make good counselors. They simply would have to pass on those who were homosexual and wanted to remain that way. I have read some amazing stories of those who were once homosexual and who did not want to be but who did not know, at first, that change was possible (because that is what the politically correct Marxists believe and teach – I say Marxist because part of Karl Marx’s teaching on “change,” “revolution,” “communism,” or “world socialism” also included the dissolution of marriage and what used to be called free love, the elimination of marriage, and sex as a recreational sport). Some of the stories of these former gays and lesbians would bring tears to your eyes (these were people who wanted to change, of course, not those who were content with their lives). None of them were helped by conventional therapy that more or less says “you are what you are so accept it” because psychiatry has had no success whatsoever in helping such people. This is not a problem for those who are content with their lives, but a damned lie for those who want to change and can get no help from the politically correct status quo. Admittedly this is a minority (I’m guessing) but I have read that there are upwards of 200,000 former gays and lesbians and who did not go straight through any psychiatric program or typical counseling but through a dynamic personal experience with Jesus Christ. It’s been a long time since I have done any reading in this area but I recall that some of these former homosexuals and lesbians had a difficult time and some an easier one but they wanted help they could never have found in any tax-supported ‘institution” of higher learning. Some of them remained single, others married and had children (the natural way) but this was years ago and I wonder that any gay who doesn’t want to be would ever find help or ever learn that it was possible when he is “helped” to continue in his lifestyle by those who think they are God and know all there is to know (like the Progressives in Washington who fully or partially support Marxism). Some of these people believe that they are so “enlightened” they know more than God (they don’t say that, it would be politically incorrect, but that is what they believe). I feel sorry for those who don’t buy the lie that they are OK and only run into Christians who don’t have the knowledge or experience to help them and give them only platitudes. You don’t tell a cancer patient just be well. The schools of course are the most politically correct of all and I sincerely doubt than anyone who doesn’t have a personal relationship with Jesus (not a head trip) could possibly help someone who doesn’t want to be gay. Granted it is seldom as simple as some Christians seem to think, like alcoholism or drug addiction, and I feel sorry for such people born into today’s culture but as it says somewhere in the Bible, “With God all things are possible.” I just saw a headline last night about the growth in child pornography and just as the concept of “gay marriage” was considered outlandish and those who said it was coming back in the 1970′s were made fun of then so those on the forefront to the sexual revolution are already talking about child porn and incest and casting it in a positive(?) light. I’m also told they support polygamy as well. If the United States survives another generation I would not be surprised if such things were considered natural then too. Our current Marxist Administration is trying to force their will in many more situations than this one, and if they get Elena Kagin on the Supreme Court they will have one of their own who will gladly throw out religious freedom in a minute if it meant furthering the rights of those whose want the Marxist version of sex to prevail. Christians should take heart though because Jesus himself said, when asked what it would be like when the world came to an end (not necessarily the end of the planet but the end of all human life here), he said it would be as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah, not just a society given over to sexual perversion as some Christians think but to total greed and avarice. The world will have been reduced to a place to which honest men and women (if there were any left) would say upon hearing that the world was coming to it’s end, that it was only justice. We can’t stop it or even the terrible inflation that is coming because of the trillions that CONGRESS has wasted in the past few years – we blame Bush or Obama – BUT IT IS CONGRESS, and if we vote wisely in November I believe we can slow it down. This November’s election will be the most important one in the past 25 years. And for those who do not know God, please believe me when I say that He loves you. That is why He sent Jesus in the first place. He only hates that which will ultimately destroy us, but He has given us free will and He would never force Himself upon us.

  • http://gmail i41

    I don’t think counselers would have a problem with knocking Christians or kicking the out of groupss. Most counselars that I have meet in colleges, or are planning to be come physcology counselars are either mother earthers (naturalist) or atheitists, or beleive in nothing, and being abnormal in life and behavior, is totally OK. Muslim ideology stresses it is OK for followers to lie and do what ever to nonmuslims. With the muslim marxist in the WH and overly embracing muslim beleifs and actions, citizens had better keep an eye on all muslims. They are just like rattlesnakes, poisonous and will strike at you, if you don’t keep an eye on them. Easier to work and get something done productive if they are exterminated and disposed of. Michigan just lets the nests of muslims run areas of that state like a sharia controlled area, Morman cann’t do that in Utah, but then we have a phony muslim marxist in the WH.

  • Bill Kay

    This is the most redicules thing I have ever herd of , any school, college, university , or learning instution that does things like this should be SHUT DOWN AND ALL THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR TRAMPLING ON ANYONES RIGHT TO THEIR BELIEFS SHOULD BE RUN OUT OF THE COUNTRY AS DESPICABLE UNAMERICA SCUM THAT THEY ARE/FINED HEAVELY AND JAILED, AND NVEVER BE ALLOWED IN A PLACE OF LEARNING EVER AGAIN. Any judge that would condone this SHOULD ALSO BE DISBARED FOREVER.

    • Richard Pawley

      Well, keep track of how many in Congress are voting this week on Elena Kagin for the Supreme Court, because she is one who would totally support the colleges on this one, and remember to vote in November because it will be the most important election in 25 years.

  • http://Blackontheright L.S.Drakeford

    Liberals just kill me with their hypocracy. If an institution were to ban homosexuals for their filthy practises,it would be shut down. But it is ok to discriminate against Christians,or conservatives.What a bunch of phonys.

    • Richard Pawley

      Vote in wisely in November and we might be able to take the country back. What we need is not a revolution and a rewriting of history and our traditions as the president wants but a RESTORATION of honor, integrity, morality, and faith.

  • Tony

    about the catholic church if anybody is interested.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLp9xigjajM&feature=related

  • TodayMattersTomorrowToo

    TAKE YOUR KIDS OUT OF ALLL SCHOOLS,

    DROP OFF OR SEND A NOTE TO THE PRINCIPAL:

    Johnny is ill and will be out of school until the cause of his illness is removed.

    Johnny still can’t read and understand, but you will understand this.

    Johnny will return when I am advised and convinced that the contageous disease in school is removed, school is fumigated, disinfected, and school is supplied with educators and officials of education that are healthy, and who do not display characteristics of mental sickness with which they endanger childrens’ brains.

    Mr. and Mrs. American Parent

  • mavis

    These two universities are in violation of religious freedom and need to be stripped of all federal funds
    and the college needs to close it’s doors. Nowhere in the united states should that be allowed to happen. People lets all stand together and see that this never happens again. Too long have decent people stayed in the background now is the time to fire professors who deal in this sort of discrimination and see that they never
    have this much power again I for one will be sending letters to the congressmen of those states demanding they straighten out this farce. Also I will be praying
    and will bring this up in our church and will see that
    the conserative news channels are aware of this.mehpensacola,fl

  • Kristoffer Martin

    I’m glad that they were expelled. Counselors need to know that their personal views (religious or otherwise) cannot interfere with their professional actions. A psychiatric student who cannot put aside his or her religious beliefs (especially in the area of homosexuality ctd in a moment) has no business being a counselor.

    Unlike the Christian views on homosexuality do not coincide with the views of the several psychiatric societies. And anti-homosexual counseling has shown to be damaging to homosexuals.

    This is the way different programs separate those students who will not follow the code of ethics of the psychiatric programs. Students, such as the two above, should be fully aware that their personal beliefs will not coincide with the current ethics of the psychiatric community and they should have already decided either to follow the psychiatric code of ethics or not to enter the program.

  • http://aol Joyce Owen

    U.S. Constitution, 1st Amendment: “Congress shall make no law with respect to Religion or the free exercise thereof”. Ergo, a Court cannot rule on a law which can not conceivably exist. These institutions of higher learning need to educate themselves before they deign to educate others.

  • John Cobb

    I have read some of the comments above and have this observance. Some of you are wrong and when we die, and we all will, we will know who was right. Do not make the wrong choice, because you cannot change it after you are dead.

  • Laura

    The day is fast approaching when it will be illegal to be a practicing Christian. If ever there was a time to memorize the Word of God and build our relationship with our Savior NOW is the time.

  • john

    Religion separates people, Faith brings them together.

  • john

    We are all born in sin, we all fall short. It’s through the shed blood of the innocent One that we are redeemable. If you can’t understand this….then you understand nothing.

  • http://personalliberty.com ella

    Norm will be agonizing for a glass of ice cold tea where he is going if the Bible, God’s Word, isn’t his cup of tea. It is people like him that wears the cloak of the atheist or agnostic. Every church and I mean every church from small to huge have hypocrits in them. That is why we have churches it is a hospital for the unbeliever. It is where you hear the scriptures and will turn your life around. The Word of God say people like that are wolves in sheep clothing. No church is perfect and no person is perfect here on earth. There is a judgement day coming and we will all stand before God and everything we have said or done will be revealed to the whole world. If we don’t bow before him while on earth people that have not been saved down here will be made to confess Him as our Lord and Saviour, but it will be to late. These people will be cast into the Lake of fire never to stop burning. He gives us a choice down here, He warns us down here. God tells us when the unbeliever stands before the Great White Throne Judgement “that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that He is Lord and Saviour.” But it will be too late for the unbeliever. They will be cast into the Lake of fire. Decency and morality orginated from God. Also taxes, laws of the land, judges, God’s laws such as the Ten Commandments and others not listed in the Ten Commandments. God destroyed two cities in the Bible because of the homosexuals. The homosexuals right along with the lesbians, agnostics, devil worshipers, atheist, murders, child killers, aborted babies and many other things are pure evil. God didn’t create them that way. He gave them two choices right or wrong. They can be converted to Christianity if they choose God’s way. God loves everyone of them and even you Norm he hates their sin. We have a Heaven to gain and a Hell to shun. Your choice. Homosexuals have told themselves that they are normal like anyone else. Why can’t they have their own babies the way God planned for the whole world to have babies???? The people that are playing God by test tube babies, old women having babies for their daughters, sisters having babies for their sisters, etc. are playing God and the doctors that are involved. Christians don’t try to force religion down any ones throat as we are accused of. We love people and God tells us to go out into the highways, byways and hedges to warn people what the conquences of rejecting Him will be. Two choices. God loves you Norm and even if we don’t know you, you have a soul and Christians don’t want you or anyone else to go to Hell. Is this cramming religion down someone’s throat? If it is and you reject salvation and don’t make it to Heaven you will remember these words for an eternity. Anyone who has ever talked to you about God their words will ring in your ears forever in the place you will be. Homosexuality is an abomination to God and He says they will be put to death. There is scripture in another comment before this one that would be good for you to copy and look it up in the Bible and have someone explain it to you. It will tell you about homosexuals.

    • hicusdicus

      Homosexuals are going to do what homos do. I don’t care what they do as long as as I don’t have to hear about it and be bombarded with reasons why it is a normal way of living.

  • http://cashflowdaily.org/ Rodney

    We live in a time that no one likes to hear the truth. When you speak of the truth, you are ridiculed and mocked. However, when someone talks about another person and slander them with some gossip, our ears are open. Homosexuality is wrong. Sex is holy but when your twist something into perversion then you accept homosexuality; defenders of homosexuality claims that they have an “open mind” next thing they will say that having sex with certain animals is okay because they have “an open mind.”

    • hicusdicus

      Well Rod, their people who like to have sex with animals as well as small children and hot apple pie and your god created them all.

  • http://beliefnet.com/debrincon Debra Rincon Lopez

    Nobody should at anytime be forced to believe in something they are not comfortable in doing? I feel that this is totally unacceptable by them trying to force her to accept something such as this when her religious beliefs don’t condone this behavior. I am sure that we are supposed to Love our neighbor and treat all people equal. But, when your breaking one of God’s commandment’s that should be overlooked???

    • Hard Core

      Why wont they accept Muslims in the seminary? Helloooo seems there’s a lot of stupidity here. The judgement is fair.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    I don’t like being judgmental. Whether or not he’s Christian is between God and BHO. However, there are questions to be raised here. Would a true Christian POTUS be so against our ally Israel?? Would a true Christian POTUS take sides with the panthiests?? For all you drones and naïve liberals: Panthiests are those who worship nature as an idol instead of God, and the word Pantheists is used by some people who think my words ‘environmentalist wackos’ are too harsh. Would a true Christian POTUS be so pro-abortion?? Would a true Christian be so pro-LGBT rights, and want to have politically correct czars, etc. to try to force even kids to accept the militant LGBT agenda?? We also see the left opposing our right to teach kids right from wrong. Why not instead support bringing back school prayer?? And don’t forget ‘hate crime laws’!! This (Christian??) POTUS signed these laws infringing on our 1st amendment right to free speech and worship!! And of course many democraps may cite Jesus’ compassion for the poor and contempt for the rich, and distort the gospel for their socialist agenda. 1st, although the Bible condemns those who worship money instead of God, there is nothing wrong with being wealthy per se, or earning rewards for being productive achievers. And although some people abuse the system, there is no reason to believe that the Bible is against capitalism. As always, we know the democraps are phony hypocrites who are often filthy rich, cheated on their taxes and earned millions via fraud (e.g., AlGore and Barney Frank). And we know how stingy Democraps such as Joe Biden are with their own money going to charity.

    There’s more to it than hypocrisy on part of the filthy rich democraps. They encourage us to envy anyone who has a dollar more than us, despite the fact that we are told: Thou shall not covet. And while we know that a safety net is proper to help those who are in true need and cannot help themselves. However, I’ve also been taught that according to the Bible, the able-bodied who CAN work MUST work, or they should not eat. Remember that the safety net is only a small fraction of the trillions spent on wealth redistribution over the past several decades. Most of this money was confiscated from producers to give to non-productive drones and moochers. Would a true Christian POTUS ignore the Bible on this?? I’ve also been taught that the Bible tells us not to be in debt. Well, BHO has put this nation deeper into debt than any past POTUS!! Would a true Christian POTUS put us trillions into unsustainable debt?? Anybody who truly believes BHO is Christian must be dillusional!!

  • hicusdicus

    Religion, the curse of the human condition.

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