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Christian Group Appalled By Obama’s Arrogance After Midterm Elections

November 10, 2010 by  

Christian group appalled by Obama's 'arrogance' after midterm electionsA Christian organization claims that President Barack Obama showed "arrogance" by pushing for the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" a day after voters resoundingly expressed their disagreement with his policies.

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, took exception with Obama's post-election speech on Nov. 3, when he urged Congress to pass the defense budget during the upcoming lame-duck session. If passed, the bill would revoke a ban that prevents openly gay individuals from serving in the military.

Democrats hold the majority in both chambers of Congress until Republicans regain control of the House of Representatives in January. The GOP picked up at least 60 seats in the midterm elections, which is the biggest turnover in the House since 1948.

According to The National Journal, Obama said that the Pentagon will complete its review of "don't ask, don't tell" in early December, which will give Congress time to consider the issue before the end of the legislative session.

"The study itself is likely to have problems, and the next natural step would be to have the new 112th Congress hold hearings on the issue," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. "To force such a drastic change on our military in the middle of fighting two wars is disrespectful of our troops, and should not be tolerated." 

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  • Dan az

    And you find this unbelievable why? Since when did he care what people thought he is the king didnt ya know? I find it kinda funny that he needs the gays to help fight in the first place.What is it are you running out of front line volunteers? Or are we just running short on nurses?

    • Mike

      I don’t find it unbelievable at all. Obama the commander of a nation’s military forces as long as he is the President of the United States. Remember? Like all Presidents, he has the right to set policy in the military. Whether people like it or not. As citizens we want the Government to say out of our business. Well then, the Government has no right to tell whom and who cannot serve as a member of the military. As long as the individual is physically capable, is of sound mind, and follows their job description, military code, and conducts themselves appropriately, their sexuality has no bearing on anything. I would imagine the military would welcome nurses of any gender as they do doctors of any gender. Remember, there is a lot more to a person than what they do with their genitals. You included.

      • JIM ROPER

        YOU ARE AN IDIOT EXACTLY LIKE THAT FOOL IN THE WHITE HOUSE. STFU.

        • Bob

          Because you disagree with my opinion you like you call me names? Did you forget your medication this morning?

          • Frank Zappa

            Oh Bob you are so cleaver, wish we could meet in person so I could give you a FREE lesson in humility.

        • Bob

          Could it be, that the roper is too tight around your neck? It has blocked a bit of the circulation to your brain, which has evidently caused a depletion of oxygen. No wonder you’re not functioning to capacity. Take a deep cleansing breath. Maybe it will help you to see thing much clearer.

      • Crystal

        You’re wrong!!! 95% of the military polled stated they did not want to end DADT. Another thing you are not taking into consideration is this: This President isn’t asking people in the military to work with homosexuals, they’re forcing them to live with them. How would he feel if pedophiles were told they could live with his children.

        • Rocco

          crystal, you are what is wrong with a America. You eqate gay with criminal, devite behavior. The military had to deal with women and blacks joining their ranks and they are better because of it. This issue will some be a small little footnote in history and our kids will wonder what all the fuss was about. Your wrongheadedness will just have to be outlived.

          • Wyman Bess

            Rocco; with all due respect to your right to have another opinion. Keeping in mind I spent 20 years in the Defence of our Country for you to have that right. You are wrong. This country was founded as a Christian Nation we have many different relegions in our country and none of the founding fathers of those relegions indorsed the gay lifestyle. Oh yes some spin offs today, made up of homosexuals due endorse it. Homosexual lifestyle is not to be condemed but ministered to and they can be changed.

          • http://sgorms@yahoo.com Shar

            The facts, Rocco, is that in some AMERICAN male populations, one out of five homosexual men are HIV positive. The repurcussions of that in the military is that these men cannot be deployed. Another is that their blood cannot be used in a battlefield transfusion in the case of emergency. Also, should these homosexuals become HIV positive while they are serving in the military then the AMERICAN public will have them on the military payroll forever. These facts, Rocco, are only the tip of the homosexual iceberg. The MAJORITY of AMERICANS do NOT want homosexuals in the military. FACE IT.

          • David L.

            what part of mental illness dont you understand ?

          • David L.

            ROCCO This has nothing to do with women or blacks this is pervirsion look at history go back a while look at the romans greeks ect. where was homosexuality in thier cultures ??????

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry DavidL. but the mental illness study of being gay has already been proven to be not true. I’m a nurse and I know this. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

        • Bob

          Think about this: You’re injured in a car accident. The only highly trained paramedic on the scene that can save you life happens to be a gay man. You’re going to refuse treatment. Right?

          • Frank Zappa

            Hello Bob we are talking about THE MILITARY HERE NOT AN AMBULANCE DRIVER. try an stay on topic Bob, I know it must be hard but try. When you get past the third grade and figure this out let me know.

        • Robert Smith

          From Crystal: “You’re wrong!!! 95% of the military polled stated they did not want to end DADT”

          Bzzzzz, WRONG. That is an outright lie.

          I’ll bet you don’t even have a source.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Bzzzzz wrong again, rob. Take it from a 20 year veteran, we don’t want gays in the military. If you think differently, cite your source so I can also read it. Don’t make it some darn youtube video. I believe in public domain laws. I’ll be waiting for that source. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Lewis Munn

          Hard to say. If he saw it would help him politically or help fiscally in achieving his goals I would guess he would be in favor!

      • Gail

        Well said, Mike.

      • oktoday

        It is obvious that if Gays are allowed in as gays, then in time there will be more, and more, of them coming into the military.

        And in time the straight soldiers may not be happy about that. Especially while being looked upon themselves by piercing gay eyes in the shower. And then being hawked upon afterwards.

        So then in time the straights will not sign up, and or not stay in the military. Then in time, we will have the ladies, and a gay military force.

        And I am not so sure that would be a good thing to have protecting our nation.

      • Frank Zappa

        Hey Moron, anybody home??? Hey McFly You should review your history before you write something stupid like it’s OK to be Queer and serve in the military, if you take the time to have a look back to the founding Fathers of this country you WILL find that being “Gay” would not only get you thrown out of the military by likely get you killed by your fellow troops it was a disgrace. You must be about 12 years old to not realize that YOU have made an error of this magnitude. For your sake I Hope the meds get to your front door soon before you have a relapse.

      • Jim W.

        Mike
        I do not know if you have ever served in the military, but I have for 24 years. I have served with military from other countries and yes I have served with gays from those militarys and ours. The difference is that they were professional military members who just happened to be gay unlike gays in this country who are gays first and anything else second. This did not become an issue because they didn’t let it become an issue. If gays from this country kept this issue where it belongs it would not be an issue here either, but I don’t think they are capable of that. I do not want them to serve openly in our military because they seem not to be able to be professional first. Their conduct is not compatible with good order and discipline that is required of the military.

        • 45caliber

          Jim W.:

          Exactly!! I too have served with gays and know what you mean! Most of the gays who say they want to serve seems to see the military as a sex club. They want the ability to proposition the soldiers without suffering any problems for doing so.

        • Frogbalz

          Mike well said! As I recall the gays liked to share fartsacks downrange!This always turned out to be a sh**y deal! The straight guys know who they are anyway! Plus their fighting positions and foxholes were always more tidy then the rest of us regular grunts positions! I think the lace curtains and plastic flowers always added a homey touch.

          • Robert Smith

            Frogbalz, is your god proud of you for your bigotry?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Well rob, is yours proud of your stupidity? We sure aren’t. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Karolyn

        Mike – You are absolutely right!

      • 45caliber

        Mike:

        You have not served in the military. It has rules and problems all its own. Take a look at Jim W.’s comment. You can see there what we mean. If someone starts hitting on you it is sexual harassment, particularly if it is during duty hours – which in the military is 24/7. DADT is simply a way for the military to put a stop to that before someone gets angry.

      • Dan az

        Mikey
        If he wants to start biological warfare then let him use what ever he wants.Aids in the military is one way and let them prance all they want who am I to say they all need to be on an island like lepors!That would mean I was a bigot!Does that offend your touchy feelie ways?

      • Dan az

        Mikey
        If he wants to start biological warfare then let him use what ever he wants.Aids in the military is one way and let them prance all they want who am I to say they all need to be on an island like lepors!That would mean I was a bigot!Does that offend your touchy feelie ways? Oh by the way since you brought it up yes he is the commander and chief for now and I think that he should know what that means. There is this little book that all of us had to swear by its called the ucmj an it states that if you are convicted of treason during a time of war you will be shot by firing squad!

      • charley

        WHEN we are a firefight with the enemys of this great nation under GOD.I do not want someone looking at my backside,when he should looking at the enemy.

    • Kinetic1

      No, but we are running short of Arabic translators. The idea of discharging a soldier because their sexual orientation has been reveled is ludicrous, unless they are exposed due to persistent sexual harassment of others. I would expect a straight soldier to be discharged for harassing members of the opposite sex as well. If an American is willing to serve, and especially if they posses a specialized and necessary talent, it is foolish to dismiss them for their sexual orientation alone.

      • Crystal

        No we are not running short of Arabic translators. Homosexuals are not the only ones who can speak Arabic. If that were the case, there wouldn’t be anybody left in the Muslim world. STOP putting sodomites on a pedestal.

        • Kate8

          Crystal, I agree with you.

          Forcing these issues on the military carries the same purpose it does everywhere else: to create distrust, division and uncertainty. It breaks down cohesiveness and unity in power.

          I remember when, in the military, men were men and women were women. They knew who they were and they knew what they were there to do. They knew they could trust each other with their lives, that they were all on the same page.

          Political correctness is killing us, and the Left is singing Kumbaya all the way into the dustbin of history.

          • JLC

            Kate8 — I served in the military back when “men were men, and women were women.” They both wore the uniform, but they DID NOT live in the same barracks. To have called one of your barracks-mates “queer” (you’ll have to excuse the use that word, but “gay” had an entirely different meaning back then) would have earned you a flat nose in a hurry — and that would have been for openers! I currently have 4 grandsons in the military — all, at the moment, in the middle east— and they have no use for “gays,” either. Keep up the good work! I doubt that you will convince some of these people, but you can keep the off-balance.

        • Kinetic1

          Part of the 9/1 commissions finding involve our lack of ability to translate the large volumes of information we intercept. This is due to a lack of trained personnel, not effort. The simple answer is to keep all the trained translators we have and recruit more if possible. Note I did not say keep the GAY translators, but TRAINED translators. I don’t care if they dress like Klinger on M*A*S*H* as long as they do the work. This is about people doing a job, not how they live their private lives.

          Your suggestion that I am putting “sodomites on a pedestal” is so ridiculously disingenuous that it serves only to highlight your apparent homophobia. You argue that there are plenty of straight people who speak Arabic, arguing ” If that were the case, there wouldn’t be anybody left in the Muslim world”. Yes, they speak Arabic (or one of many other languages) but do they speak english? Are they all trained translator who could get military clearance? The religious right cries out about our nations need for security, but then chooses to put us at risk to avoid giving the appearance of toleration for Gays! I don’t care what you say, the constitution does not give you the right to risk my family or my nation just to satisfy your religious intolerance.

      • Bob

        You’re right! It is ludicrous. To discharge someone for their orientation is a total waste of tax payer dollars. The training they have receive costs a lot of money. The waste is in the millions. I’ve seen many news stories on that very topic. Maybe the commanding officer who discharges them should have to pay back all the cost of the training.

        • Karolyn

          Besides we need all the recruits we can get!

          • 45caliber

            Karolyn:

            We need all the PROFESSIONAL SOLDIERS we can get. Not just a warm body as they are sometimes called in the military. A military unit fights as a team. They are depended upon in combat to put their lives on the line in an effort to save your own life just as you would to save their lives. However, if someone dislikes someone else, that will not happen – and is called bad morale. If you were gay, would you want to have to depend upon someone who doesn’t like you to keep you alive? True, most soldiers would ignore it – if you haven’t tried to proposition them – but would you want to take the chance on the few who wouldn’t? And – since there is no way to detect those few men before they get you killed – you can’t say that these should be kicked out. Besides, since you admit that the military needs people, why would the military want to eject several otherwise good soldiers so they can accept one gay one?

            In combat there can be no experiments or tests to “prove” the gays are good soldiers (actually the professional soldiers who are gay are good). Everything is lowered to the lowest level – live or die.

          • Vigilant

            Karolyn, I thought you were a pacifist! Which shoe is your foot in?

        • http://naver sook young

          The army I know believes in being professional and having ingetrity. Being gay has no integrity or morals, therefore it tends to be against the way the military would want you to be. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • Lewis Munn

            Thank you Sook for contributing. A good point.

          • http://naver sook young

            Thank you Lewis.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • Wyman Bess

        Kinetic1: Your approach does not hold water. I was career military and I can tell you in real world and knowing barracks life it would not work.

    • Sharon Mancuso

      Obama is gay didn’t you know, well bi-sexual to be exact.
      Impeach the fruit cake please!!!!

      • eddie47d

        Keep the rumor mills in full mode.That is how how you all do business and win elections. Demonize anyone who get’s in your way. What’s next Polish midgets?

        • Teresa

          Obama IS bi-sexual is no secret idiot! Do your own research. Obama is a card carrying member of a mans gay club in Chicago. He had an affair w/a man who was a member or Mr. Wrights church…when this man came forward of their relationship the man was murdered. Mr. Obama was never even questioned in the murder. Mr. Obama is not the only member of this club, many members of congress are members. But the fact remains on the subject that if something isn’t broke, DONT try to fix it. Tell me why you feel it is a good idea to have Openly gays in the military? I think it is BAD idea. First when you enlist in the military you are trained with a mind set that not only your fellow soilders are standing next to you in the field but in wars and when your brothers and sisters look around and they see openly gays they sometimes have to second guess that person and in the military there is NO second guessing.

          • Bob

            Do you read only tabloids and watch only reality television? Is The Jerry Springer Show your favorite? You seem to make it sound as such by the views you have of the world.

          • Kate8

            Bob, Is this a problem for you? I would think you’d want to celebrate his deviance, since you all think it is such a wonderful thing.

          • Karolyn

            A gay person can be just as masculine, manly and brave as any other man (and probably more intelligent). Perceptions need to be changed, and that’s only going to happen via experience/exposure.

        • Anita M

          Yes, how did you know?

        • Dan az

          Eddieeeee
          Only if his name was eddie47d and by the way still no work?
          eddie47d says:
          November 10, 2010 at 10:43 am

      • Doc Sarvis

        How in the world do you come up with the idea that President Obama is bi-sexual? Not that it really matters as long as he leads the country forward, which by his actions, he is doing.

        • MsAmericanPatriot

          http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/rush/080916

          He is bisexual or homo one. Why else would he have married such a manly looking “woman”?

          • Doc Sarvis

            You need perscription eyeglasses! Besides, most people fall in love with other people based on much more than looks. To do otherwise is VERY shallow.

          • Bob

            You’re really an odd person for believing such crap.

          • Kate8

            MsAmericanPatriot – You are wasting your time with these liberals. They do not do research except, perhaps, on left-wing blogsites.
            Truth would shake up their idealistic and illusory grip on reality.

          • 45caliber

            Kate8:

            See what I told EddieW below. They simply have this vision of utopia where no one has to do anything to get everything. They realize someone must provide that to them but they are careful to never fully consider who that might be. It’s like free sex. If you want to have sex with someone, whether they like you or not, they should be willing. And they refuse to consider why you might object to that. If you do, you are racist or a bigot or something else.

          • Kinetic1

            MsAmericanPatriot
            Have you looked at Barbara Bush lately? If appearance is the deciding factor, then I guess we have already had several gay presidents. Maybe your not getting enough air wrapped up in that flag.

          • Kate8

            45, You are so right.

            Speaking of which, I knew a woman who was involved with the free-sex cult up in Oregon back in the -what? ’70s? You know, Rajneesh…Anyway, a few years, a husband and 2 kids later she found out that she had HIV, and so did her children. It seems that it went around the compound. Her husband became a widower and his children died, too.

            We can celebrate deviance and irresponsible behavior, call it okay, silence and/or get rid of everyone who holds to traditional values and morals, but we can’t blame anyone else when we reap the consequences. Talking about how these behaviors are not only immoral but dangerous may be politically incorrect, but nature does not respect our perversion of it’s laws. Nor our infantile defiance of them.

          • Karolyn

            Oops! Your narrowminded ignorance is showing! Michelle Obama is a very attractive woman. Jut because she isn’t small and frilly doesn’t make her unattractive. What do YOU look like?

          • JeffH

            Karolyn, just because you find a female “hippo” attractive doesn’t mean everybody else should either. Personally I think she’s a definite carnivor based on the set of ivory fangs MO flashes in between bites of her McDonald’s burgers.

          • Kate8

            MsAmericanPatriot, He married MO for convenience, anyway. He prefers men, but having a wife and family makes a politician more acceptable to the public.

            There is absolutely no truth in this man. He is a facade. An empty savior for a soul-less people.

        • David L.

          oh yea it does matter and rahm is one of the club members also look it up if you dont believe it????????????

    • EddieW

      The election still has no meaning for the Democrats…They don’t understand, we want smaller…not bigger government…we don’t want socialism/Communism…and it’s a mental thing! They do not understand the rest of us in the least!!! They are incapable of understanding those outside their realm, as we are understanding their ungodly values!!

      • 45caliber

        EddieW:

        It is the difference in the way we think.

        Conservatives base their decisions on learned experience. In other words, when you need to make a decision, you base it on what happened last time to either yourself or someone else when they had the same problem.

        Liberals base all their decisions on some fantasy of utopia. Everyone has whatever they wish without having to work for it. You can do whatever you like when you like without worries about anyone else objecting. Therefore free sex, for instance. If you want to have sex with another, male or female, they shouldn’t object to it. Therefore free medical. After all, you should be healthy all the time. Therefore governance over what you eat. Again, you should be healthy, right?

        But the BIG difference is that making a decision the way a conservative does means that you will likely make a better choice, one that will possibly work for you and everyone else. Making a decision the liberal way means that you will repeat what failed last time. Further, liberal decisions means SOMEONE ELSE is the one who provides all those nice things for them while they pretend you are just as free as they are. I.e., all you have to do is be just like them.

        • Kate8

          45, A well-deserved applause for that one! Very well said, indeed!

          • Dan az

            Kate and 45
            please stand and take a bow!!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Hooooooorrrrrrraaaaaahhhhhh!

  • Robert Edwards

    Why do Christian ALWAYS lie to meet their agenda – Christian Organization are mostly unethical and immoral – they are the bane of humanity. 80% of Americans what DADT repealed so where the hell are they getting there information from? My atheists friends have more ethics in the little finger. People who get their ethics from a book full of mass murder is the reason Christians behave the way they do.

    • American Conservative

      Where do *your* ethics come from? What do you have against mass murder? Isn’t it just more resources for the rest of the species to survive on? Your atheist friends may have great ethics, but what they lack is clear logic. They have no logical basis for any morality, regardless of how much morality they claim to have.

      • Kinetic1

        American Conservative,
        It sounds as if you would argue that the Bible is a “logical basis for any morality”, is that right? Then you would disagree with Thomas Jefferson when he said

        “I believe… that [justice] is instinct and innate, that the moral sense is as much a part of our constitution as that of feeling, seeing, or hearing; as a wise Creator must have seen to be necessary in an animal destined to live in society.” –Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1816. ME 15:76

        A man who has never seen the Bible can be as just and moral as any Christian. The failure of morality is the failure of man. Those who are of sound mind know what is right and wrong and will decide for themselves if they will heed that knowledge. The Bible may reinforce that knowledge, but it will not stop an immoral man from doing what they wish (consider the actions of some Catholic Priests.)

    • home boy

      thought you might be happy to know that very soon religion will be destroyed by all countrys thru the UN. read revelation 17&18. babylon the great will fall.

      • Karolyn

        yeah, yeah, yeah. Now lay down and take a nap. Your brain is being overtaxed.

        • Kate8

          Karolyn, A large meeting of world religious leaders was held in Australia last November to discuss the coming ‘One-World Religion’.

          This is prophesied, and is, in fact, being put together now.

          • Dan az

            Kate8
            So its NWO and One world currency and one world religion now!Wow what next same sex mariage?I have to bounder what the children will look like!

    • Crystal

      You just made that poll up in your head. 85% of Americans do NOT want DADT repealed.

      • Kinetic1

        Crystal,
        Robert said 80% not 85%, and it was rounded up from 78%.

        “A full 78 percent of respondents said that “people who are openly gay or homosexual” should be able to serve in the armed forces. The results are similar to what CNN found in December of 2008 (81 percent) and May of 2007 (79 percent).”

        There are other polls with lower numbers, but as long as it is an unbiased poll (not limited to Republicans or self proclaimed born again Christians) the majority ALWAYS stands against DADT.

        • Mary Contrary

          With CNN, there is no such thing as an unbiased poll.

        • Dan az

          Kinetic!
          So you mean that 20% of the gays dont agree!Maybe they should take there polls somewhere else besides the gay bay!

    • Kate8

      Ethics? Morality? On the Left? LOL.

      I rest my case.

      • Bob

        Aren’t you just the superior(offensive word removed)

        • Anita M

          Bob says:
          November 10, 2010 at 12:43 pm

          Because you disagree with my opinion you like you call me names? Did you forget your medication this morning?

          Typical lib, can’t remember what you said a few replies earlier. You stated the line above, so who’s doing the name calling now?

          • Kinetic1

            I agree, Bob let his emotions get the best of him. He is, however, correct. Kate8 has, once again exposed the dark side of Christian Conservative superiority. This sanctimonious idea that only they posses the power to know right from wrong is about as un-Christian as you can get. Don’t worry Bob, Kate forgot that “pride cometh before the fall.”

          • Kate8

            Kinetic, God clearly tells us right from wrong. It doesn’t take ‘superiority’ to know this.

            God’s Laws are not for bondage. They are to insure our lives go well for us, that we remain free and healthy, that our families stay intact, that we prosper, and that we walk in peace. It is the violation and mocking of His Laws that lead us down roads like we are on now, toward self-destruction.

            You libs are not the first to mock them. It has happened to humanity time after time, fall after fall of civilization. And it always follows the same pattern. And evil always uses the same progam to bring about corruption, decay and destruction.

            People stumble across the board. The difference is that some realize their error and seek to correct it. Others refuse to admit they are wrong and go down in defiance. But they go down just the same.

            The Bible (you know, that Book you so like to scoff at) says that most will refuse to repent of their rebellion, even after all the plagues and death…

            Call me whatever name you want, but I am not the one you need to worry about.

          • Kinetic1

            Listen to yourself. I was not “mocking” the Bible, just pointing out that it is not necessary to read the Bible to be moral. A child who has never known religion still knows it is wrong to hurt another. There are examples of this throughout history, just as there are examples of “good christian men” who use the Bible to justify horrendous acts.

            And now, here you are judging all Liberals as if none of us are Christian. Advising other not to waste their time because we have no ethics or morality. You preach to us about God’s laws. You tell us how they “insure … that we walk in peace.” Then you use the Bible as a shield while you accuse Liberals of treason, of intentionally working to bring down our government. You talk as if every Liberal believes in free love, damn the consequences. You accuse us of celebrating “deviance” as if we promote homosexuality instead of simply excepting those who are different. You take the words of the Bible and turn them to hate and intolerance. It must make you feel quite superior, a shining beacon in California, bringing light to the darkness of Liberalism around you.

          • Kate8

            Kinetic – And your point is – what?

          • Kinetic1

            Kate8′
            4

          • Dan az

            kinetic says A child who has never known religion still knows it is wrong to hurt another. they learn that from the bloody nose they receive and probably wont do that again!

      • Karolyn

        Kate – I’m surprised at you. I don’t understand how you can make such a blanket statement. I also can’t understand why people have to see all of a certain political persuasion to be a certain way. That simply cannot be. So judgmental.

        • JeffH

          Judgemental? Take a good peek in the mirror and say it again with a straight face!

        • Kate8

          Karolyn, This has little to do with politics, except to demonstrate what a person might stand for. It has to do with natural forces. No matter how we might rebel, when we are out of alignment with Universal Laws, we reap the consequences.

          Say what you will, but I didn’t design the System. You’ll have to take your issues up with Someone a lot wiser than me.

          Violating natural laws ALWAYS leads to destruction.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – I was referring to your reference to liberals having no ethics or morality.

          • Kate8

            Karolyn, Liberals definitely have their own version of morals and ethics.

    • http://yahoo Daisysue

      There is an old saying ” better to be thought stupid, than to open your mouth and prove it” It is obvious you are quoting what others have said and have no personal knowledge of your subect.

      • http://yahoo Daisysue

        OOOOPPS!!!! my above reply is in response to ROBERT EDWARDS.

        • Kinetic1

          Good example, Daisysue.

    • 45caliber

      Robert:

      Really? Are you certain that 80% of the people want DADT repealed? According to all I know, about 80% are actually opposed.

      Tell you want, instead of relying on Congress or some court to decide, let’s have a public vote on it, nationwide. Do we repeal DADT or not?

      Oh? You aren’t in favor of this? I suspect it is because you know you would lose.

    • Vigilant

      Robert Edwards says, “80% of Americans what DADT repealed so where the hell are they getting there information from?”

      If 80% want it repealed, you might want to speculate on why Obama pushed for it one day AFTER the election. Or perhaps you don’t wish to speculate on that.

  • Kumar

    Two eartquakes hit Indonesia immediately President Obama landed there. He has to cut short his visit to Asia also, yet he critizes the Jewish state of Israel! None are as blind as those who refuse to see. Read the Psalms in the Bible and see that the Lord the God is the Captain of the armies of Israel

    • home boy

      you need to read the rest of the bible about why isreal lost their position with god and is no longer his chosen people

      • John K

        Who said that that the Jews are no longer His chosen people? Did you speak to God and He told you this? By what I read, from Genesis to Revelations….. Israel is still His people. And His promise to bless them that bless Israel and to curse them that curse Israel still stand. God has never gone back on any of His promises… unlike our politicians.

        • mj

          “I will take my people from the nations”

        • Kate8

          Jew and Gentile will come together to form ‘One New Man’.

        • home boy

          read it and weep john k. following the babylonian exile, when israel was restored to its land, the people were to restore true worship in their god given land. one of the first projects undertaken was the rebuilding of god’s temple in jerusalem. however, since the destruction of jerusalem by the romans in 70ce, the temple has never been rebuilt. instead, in the former temple area stands an islamic shrine. if the jews, who say they are under mosaic law , were today in jerusalm as gods chosen people , would not the temple devoted to his worship have been rebuilt? matt.21:42,43: jesus said to them{ the chief priest and the older menof the jews in jerusalem} did you never read in the scriptures, the stone that the builders rejectd is the one that has become the chief cornerstone. from god this has come to be, and it is marvelous in our eyes? this is why i say to you, the kingdom of god will be taken from you and be givin to a nation producing its fruits. matt.23:37,38: jersulaem, jersulaem, the kille of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,-how often i wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! but you people did not want it . look!your house is abandoned to you.

        • Karolyn

          We are all God’s “chosen people.” We are his progeny.

      • Rex

        This is just another case of Christians not knowing or believing the books that they’re supposed to believe and know. The Jewish people are NOT cut off from the Father. They are His people, so if you want to get on board then become Citizen through Yeshua the Messiah.

        • mj

          You are right, but Jews do not believe in Jesus as the Messiah.

          • Kate8

            mj – The number of Messianic Jews is growing.

          • Dale on left coast

            But they will . . . read Zechariah chapter 12 . . .

    • Yvonne

      Well said. The Lord is the avenger of all who trust in Him and obey His Word. You will know them by their fruit. Putting homosexuals in the military will weaken it because the Mighty One of Israel and King of the Jews (even though the majority of them reject Him at this point) will not bless an army polluted with something He clearly says He hates, Leviticus 18:22. The Bible also says in the last days men will going around making up their own righteousness and calling good evil and evil good. Of course, we who honor God are the hate mongers, but God said we should not expect better treatment than His Son, who was crucified for telling the truth about Himself and others. The Bible also says in the last days sin will abound and mentions Sodom that was destroyed for his sexual perversions. Those who love our country and try to save her from destruction are seen as the evil ones. So be it, but when the US goes down, may God have mercy on those who have stood for His righteousness.

      • Bob

        It doesn’t weaken the military. There have always been gay people in the military. There are still gay people in the military. Gay does not equate to weak. If that’s what you believe, educate yourself on the reality. What a person does with there genitals in the privacy of their own home, gay or straight, has nothing to do with you. Focus on your own life.

        • 45caliber

          What a person does in the privacy of THEIR OWN HOME is something I don’t care about. But those in the military DO NOT HAVE their own home with them. It is safe with Mommy and Daddy. That is why the military does not allow sex of any kind. If a soldier wants sex, he darn well better wait until he/she is home or at least on pass at a hotel. Otherwise they get kicked out.

          There are people in the military who dislike being around gays. I never was – but I really dislike being hit on by anyone. If someone tries to hit on me, he would get turned in … and they had better get rid of him before he tries to hit on me again. As long as they do their job and I do my job we get along fine.

          Until you realize that, you cannot say that having known gays in the military is acceptable. It just doesn’t work very well. And the military leaders know it. In civilian life, a known gay can go home at the end of the day; in the military, there is no “end of the day”. Your day is 24/7. It never ends. It is the same for heteros, so that’s why the military tries to keep men and women seperate as much as possible. It is sex – not gay sex or straight sex – that is the problem. DADT simply makes it simpler for the military to correct a problem before it gets out of hand.

      • patrick

        lev also tells us not to wear cloths of different weaves on the sabbath — but I bet you do…. so how much of that bronze-age crap do you swallow? — no pun intended — only the bits that suit you I guess….

        • Mary Contrary

          Time to give up your worn-out argument. Mixed fabrics has nothing to do with the morality of sexual behavior.

  • mary rob

    Odd that robert says that Christian always lie to meet their agenda… there is some fair sized chip on the shoulder there.
    Not long ago, sodomy was (a) illegal, and (b) considered to be a mental illness. Actually, that was the case for centuries in all civilized countries. The decline of the West is in direct proportion to the legalization of unhealthy, immoral, violent, activities (think abortion and sodomy).
    Human beings are indeed capable of mass murder.. think communism, national socialist party (Hitler) of the 20th century, the most murderous century in history.
    However, the standard is still the decalogue whether you like it or not. In our country, a dear leader legalized the unthinkable to suit his prurient interests.. think about it, people are such that they like to be able to do what they damn well want… and they want someone to pay for it… hence the 30% who will always support big welfare states, and government health care. Actually, I think that they are not intellectually able to take care of themselves in a reasonable way.
    Yesterday, news from Indonesia, wherein a former teacher remembered Barry’s personality, bossy, other boys obeyed him in fear, says it all.

    • Karolyn

      As ridiculous as it seems, sodomy and other antiquated sex laws are still on the books in many states.

      • 45caliber

        Karolyn:

        If sodomy and other sex laws are antique, does that include polygany and pediphilia?? They are just as antigue.

        • Karolyn

          45 – They are certainly not in the same category as sodomy, living in “sin” and those other antiquated laws that intrude on people’s privacy. They certainly aren’t enforced.

          • Kate8

            Karolyn, Those laws stem from God’s Laws. Do you think God has no right to intrude on people’s privacy? LOL.

            Personally, I couldn’t care less what people do. So long as they don’t try to mainstream their deviance. Keep it private. That is, between you and God. Leave the rest of us out.

        • Karolyn

          PS – I have no problem with polygamy. If that’s how people choose to live, that’s their right.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry, but that’s illegal and punishable with jail time. If a person believes differently than the law, that is fine, but personal beliefs don’t come before the law. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • George

    There is a simple and sane reason for keeping homosexuals in the military closet: disease. Anal sex is a disease vector, plain and simple. This is medically well established; thus, anal sex should not be morally sanctioned in any public institution. Add that problem to the legitimate discomfort many feel living and serving in close quarters with someone who would like to insert their penis up your anus. It’s creepy and unlikely to be good for military cohesion. The best solution is “don’t ask, don’t tell.” At least that way we can utilize the services of homosexual men and woman without having to be burdened with knowledge of their sexual practices.

  • Doc Sarvis

    I have no idea why you would want to drum out good soldiers just because of their sexual orientation. Homosexuals have been part of our military our whole history and have not performed any differently than the the heterosexual population. Our military is the best – most professional military in the world and will act accordingly. Other countries have homosexuals openly serving in their military and I can’t believe anyone would think an American soldier would be anything but professional.

    I would rather know who I am serving with than wonder who I was serving with.

    • Crystal

      …because they are not good soldiers. Their behavior is a disease on our military.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Poppycock!

        • JLC

          Doc Sarvis — Where, when, and in what part of the miitary did you ever serve?

        • http://naver samurai

          What’s up doc? Can you tell this 20 decorated combat veteran of the U.S. Army, infantry, which gay soldier was a good soldier? Where and when did he serve? During peacetime or at war? Since you defend gay soldiers so much, it makes me think that you were one, doc. Were you a soldier in the rump rangers? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Michael

            Man, why do you have to be such an a**hole?

          • http://naver sook young

            Can you answer my husbands questions without being offended or act like an immature human being? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • Karolyn

        Another all-knowing, all-seeing demi-god.

      • 45caliber

        Crystal:

        You are right. Ignore the dingbats that know nothing of the military – and have no interest in learning.

    • 45caliber

      Doc:

      I’m sorry to say you have no idea of what it is like in the military. First, you are on duty 24/7, particularly in a war zone. Sex is a BIG no-no. It doesn’t matter who your partner might be. There are many in the military who don’t care what sexual orientation you have as long as you keep quiet about sex and do your duty. There are some who do object – and are willing to do bad things to people they disagree with.

      Luckily, the military basically gets the best people – of any race or sexual persuasion. There are always a few bad ones. Tell me, would YOU if you were gay want to serve with men who might object – while they are carrying a rifle? How would you know who they were ahead of time? Or are you insisting that if ANYONE objected to your proposition that they should immediately be kicked out of the service (while they are having problems enough getting people) to make sure no one might possibly harm you? Are you willing – as a gay person – to put your life at risk in combat while depending upon such people to back you up when they could just as easily not?

      To tell the truth, most liberals expect protection from the military but very few are willing to do that protecting themselves. They expect the military to obey any order given them – even if that order itself is illegal. But our military doesn’t. It is almost the only one in the world that doesn’t; we expect our soldiers to think for themselves.

      Personally, I wouldn’t want to be a known anything sexual while I am in the military. And I served … have you? I doubt it.

  • Pam

    Don’t Ask Don’t Tell does not restrict homosexuals from serving in the military. It restricts homosexuals from proclaiming their sexual orientation. I don’t run around telling the whole world I’m straight and likewise homosexuals should keep it to themselves.

    • Doc Sarvis

      I didn’t know you were straight!

      • Brad

        Doc, strait or Gay inquiring minds want to know if you are strait or gay?

    • Doc Sarvis

      You just did tell the whole world-wide-web you are straight.

      • Brad

        Doc, strait or Gay inquiring minds want to know if you are strait or gay? Making sure you get the message; I think you’re gay and you can’t stand it when a woman gets your goat!

        • Doc Sarvis

          Brad, I didn’t know you were that into me. Sorry to dissapoint you but I am a heterosexual. Keep trying, I’m sure there is a guy out there for you.

        • RCGuy45

          Doc you already have a guy, you sly dog you. ROLMAO, keep supporting the homosexual life style just shows how perverted you truely are.

          • Doc Sarvis

            You and Brad should get together. You’d make a cute couple.

          • RCGuy45

            Doc,

            Why do you keep pushing rights for a persons life style choices, homosexuality is a choice that 65% of US citizens disapprove of. Being so adament shows you are either gay or bi-sexual, which one is it, no telling but you do have an agenda. You are trying to change peoples perspective of the gay community, that it’s O.K., well dude it isn’t. DADT allowed gay Americans the chance to serve without their sexual orientation being known and many have served honorably, it’s only when their status was made public they were discharged from the military, basically to save their skin.

            Both men and woman take offense when a known gay/lesbian is within their ranks, being a retired Navy veteran with seven cruises under my belt we lived in tight quarters. Tighter living quartes onboard subs, but when you put 150 sailors in one berthing, living and sleeping three feet away from each other there has to be some form of trust. A known homosexual will cause distrust and or disrupt the good order and discipline within that unit. So, should DADT be repealed, the short answer here is NO, 75% of the military today will tell you to keep it the way it is, don’t change a thing. By the way my wife and children take offence of your comments. The majority of your posts today, you have attacked women, why, you have something against christian women speaking their mind.

          • Doc Sarvis

            RCGuy45,

            The well trained soldiers that I am aware of have the personal discipline and honor to act professionally. It is sad that you have such a poor opinion of our fighting men and women.

            As for your statisics I have seen just the oposite figures on both the civilian and military side. They don’t feel that this issue is such a big deal.

            Finally, please tell me how I have attacked women.

          • RCGuy45

            Doc,

            Maybe you missed this the first time around, “DADT allowed gay Americans the chance to serve without their sexual orientation being known and many have served “honorably”, it’s only when their status was made public they were discharged from the military, basically to save their skin”. Sir you have no respect for a vet who served for 20 year’s or today’s service members who are fighting, dieing, getting blown apart and for what, your’s and my freedom, because freedom isn’t free. A soldier, sailor, airman, marine, and coastguardsman has given their life in the defence of our country so we can blog back and forth. I’m very proud of our Military today, tomorrow and until the day I die.

            As for attacking our female poster’s today;

            You have implied Pam was, in my book that’s an attack.

            You tried to discredit Crystal concerning her comments, in my book that’s an attack.

            You hit up MsAmericanPatriot twice for comments she made today, so don’t sit here and tell me you don’t have a thing against women. I could care less if you attack me.

          • Karolyn

            And where did you get your statistic (65%)? Last I heard more and more people are getting on the bandwagon for gays. You can’t trust stats anyway. Reason for attacking “good” Christian women for speaking their minds – Ignorance! (Note I didn’t say stupidity.)

    • alpha-lemming

      Exactly… the law prohibits “openly” gay people from serving. What is “openly”? By definition, wouldn’t “openly” mean proclaimation, advertisment, or wearing your fruitiness as a badge of honor? There’s no way around the dichotomy (special laws and favoratism vs. universal requirement of ethics, standards and conduct) other than “keeping your orientation to yourself” which the good ones do currently.

  • http://www.PatrioticChristiansToday.com Chris

    Lots of ideas here, some pretty crazy, but we are all entitled to our opinion. Do you believe in God? Do you believe this country is worth saving? Do you support our military? Then please join with other Christians who are wearing those words of support on their wrists. We are being threatened on many fronts, so we need o remain strong and focused on our God. If you agree, go to; http://www.PatrioticChristiansToday.com and get your wristband, that shows all people what you believe in and support.

    • Doc Sarvis

      My answer is a strong yes to the questions you posed in your post; that is why don’t ask – don’t tell should be repealed.

      • John K

        yup
        Great way to control the gay population, I think.

      • ValDM

        Doc,
        Methinks thou speaks with a serpent’s tongue. The Bible clearly states that you can’t serve two masters. You will love one and hate the other, or you will hate one and love the other. If you think the Bible is the God-breathed Word, God is VERY specific about the sinful lusts of man and man, and woman and woman. If the Bible is the God-breathed Word, you simply MUST stop supporting anything gay, even the repeal of DADT.

        • Doc Sarvis

          The Bible clearly states a lot of off the wall things.

          • Dale on left coast

            Doc . . . I thought “Off the Wall things” was your specialty!!!

          • http://naver sook young

            I take offense to that remark. Could you please tell me which ones those are? I think you are the one who is off the wall. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Michael

            To Sook Young, I’ve taken offense to you and some of the things you have said on a number of occasions. You evidently don’t care what you say to others who may have a difference of opinion. Think about it. For a change.

          • Dan az

            Michael
            You can play rump ranger all you want but when it comes to the lies about sook young now I take offense to it so Back off Jack you may not want to go there with me!

          • http://naver sook young

            I don’t know how I could have offened you, Michael. I’m not as forward as my husband is at times. Can you answer the question I asked to Doc? Why do you liberals get so offended at someone talking about God, Christianity, the Bible, Jesus, and do not believe in the gay cause nor it having to force its way onto the people? I don’t like it when you say you want to get married and get all the benefits from the government because of it. Immoral lifestyles don’t earn you anything in this great Christian nation. I’ll be waiting for you intelligent answer. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • http://naver samurai

            OK Michael, you’re such an ignorant fool! You feel offeneded at some of the things my wife (Who uses a lot less inflamatory language than I do.) had to say? Like what were those things, moron? Can you tell me and cite the times, subjects, etc, that she offended you with? If you are offended, well boo hoo! Go back to your mommy’s basement, because my wife hurt your little feelings! Whhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa! Can you answer the questions tha I and my wife have posted to you? We’ll be waiting for your answer, you lib, gay lover, baby killing, marxist, and I better not just hear those darn crickets chirping in the background either. Time to take responsibility for what you said. The gauntlet lies at your feet. Are you man enough to accept the challenge that I gave you or will you chicken out? You probably wasn’t man enough to serve, but this should be easier for you to do. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver sook young

            Thank you Dan AZ. I don’t know who this person is or what his problem is. My husband tells me he suffers from cranial rectitis. I think I know what that is, but I won’t talk about that. Thank you for standing up for me. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Dan az

            Sook Young
            No thank you!and hubby for being here.
            Keep up the good fight and keep the knives away from sammy.

  • James

    The real problem here is these Idiots in Congress having the audacity to pass Bills with ‘Ear-Marks’ that allow members of Congress to ‘buy’ votes from other Congress members. The people are sick and tired of issues NOT standing on there own merits. If things don’t get done in Congress, then they will be voted out of office until things get done the way WE THE PEOPLE demand. Congress members should fear that they have consequences to their choices made while in office. If their votes reflect anything that does not uphold the Constitution, they would be under consideration for acts of treason. This should cover ALL Federal positions from bureaucracies, created by Congress or the President, all the way up to the Presidency!

    • 45caliber

      I agree. They are supposed to be there to take care of problems that affect all of us … not to see how rich they can get by doing “favors” for others. They might consider that as “business as usual” but we voters who have to finance all their fiascos don’t. We need to hold their feet to the fire – and if they still don’t listen, toss them into it.

  • Teresa

    Here is you some facts to think about..the left want to start a war here at home…the are trying to destroy our very Constitution…if you do not see this then you are a FOOL!

    Washington Insider: Obama Member of Chicago Gay Mans Club
    The Wayne Madsen Report (WMR) is a mainly subscription news site ($7/month for “individual reader” subscribers) that claims to provide news ”from deep inside the Washington beltway.” Its editor is Wayne Madsen, a former US Navy officer, Washington, DC-based investigative journalist, author and syndicated columnist, with an impressive c.v.
    On May 24, 2010, WMR had a blockbuster report for subscribers only, which claims that Obama is a long-time member of a gay man’s club in Chicago, of which his Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is also a member
    I first saw this story 3 days ago on Rense.com in an article titled “Madsen Is Vindicating Larry Sinclair.” [Note: Sinclair is a gay man who claims he had 2 sexual encounters with Obama in Chicago.] The article had a short excerpt from the WMR. I did not post it here on Fellowship at the time because I wanted to think about it.
    I went back to Rense for the article today, but when I clicked “Obama’s Gay Club,” the article is no longer there, no doubt because its excerpt from WMR violated WMR’s pay-for-view policy. Instead, clicking “Obama’s Gay Club” brought me to the website of the man’s bath house club referenced in the WMR article – Man’s Country club in Chicago. Located at 5015 N. Clark St
    Chicago, IL 60640 (phone: 773-878-2069), the club describes itself as:
    “a private membership club for men 18 years and older. Man’s Country Chicago is a clean, safe place to hang out, meet guys who share the same interests as you, socialize, make friends, watch porn and play! Man’s Country Chicago / Where real men meet.”
    The club’s motto “Play hard, Play safe” and logo (below right) leave little doubt that it’s a gay club. If you still have doubts, take a look at the club’s “Photos” page, with 8 photos of “the hottest dancers in Chicago” — all men, such as this one (below left):
    Fortunately, thanks to alert Fellowship memberTina, the entire WMR article is now posted on The JagHunter blog. Here it is!
    OBAMA AND EMANUEL: MEMBERS OF SAME GAY BATH HOUSE IN CHICAGO
    President Obama and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel are lifetime members of the same gay bath house in uptown Chicago, according to informed sources in Chicago’s gay community, as well as veteran political sources in the city.
    The bath house, Man’s Country, caters to older white men and it has been in business for some 30 years and is known as one of uptown Chicago’s “grand old bathhouses.” WMR was told by sources who are familiar with the bath house that it provides one-year “lifetime” memberships to paying customers and that the club’s computerized files and pre-computer paper files, include membership information for both Obama and Emanuel. The data is as anonymized as possible for confidentiality purposes. However, sources close to “Man’s Country” believe the U.S. Secret Service has purged the computer and filing cabinet files of the membership data on Obama and Emanuel.
    Members of Man’s Country are also issued club identification cards. WMR learned that Obama and Emanuel possessed the ID cards, which were required for entry.
    Obama began frequenting Man’s Country in the mid-1990s, during the time he transitioned from a lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School to his election as an Illinois State Senator in 1996. Emanuel, reportedly joined Man’s Country after he left the Clinton White Hosue and moved back to Chicago in 1998, joining the investment firm of Wasserstein Perella and maintaining his membership during his 2002 campaign for the U.S. 5th District House seat vacated by Rod Blagojevich, who was elected governor.
    Man’s Country appears to be a “one stop shopping” center for gay men. The club’s website advertises steam rooms, “fantasy rooms,” bed rooms, male strippers, adult movies, and lockers.
    However, Man’s Country was not the only location for Obama’s predatory gay sex activities. The Chicago gay community is aware that Obama often made contacts with younger men at his famous “pick-up basketball” games. It was at these “pick up” matches where Obama first met Emanuel and a young Democratic campaign worker and senior bank vice president named Alexi Giannoulias. Currently running for Obama’s old U.S. Senate seat now occupied by Roland Burris, Giannoulias successfully ran for Illinois Treasurer in 2006 after being drafted for the run by Chicago’s Democratic machine.
    The Blagojevich trial: “Sex, Lies, and Audio tapes” — Fitzgerald’s US Attorney’s Office part of White House cover-up of gay sex in the Second City
    Giannoulias was a vice president and senior loan officer for his father’s bank, Broadway Bank, from 2002 to 2006. Broadway Bank made real estate loans to Antoin “Tony” Rezko, the chief of Rezmar Corporation. On May 13, 2008, Rezko was found guilty, after being indicted by a grand jury at the behest of the U.S. Attorney for Northern Illinois Patrick J. Fitzgerald, of six counts of wire fraud, six counts of mail fraud, two counts of corrupt solicitation, and two counts of money laundering. Rezko has been in solitary confinement at the Metropolitan Detention Center at Van Buren and Clark in Chicago since June 2008. However, Rezko has not yet been officially sentenced to a federal prison. A Syrian-American, Rezko is considered to be a flight risk, even though his one-time fortune of $50 million has been reduced to zero.
    One Republican politician in Chicago told WMR that Rezko will be a prime witness for Blagojevich’s defense. “Figure it this way, Rezko’s been in solitary confinement in the city jail since June 0f 2008 . . . if he is released to appear at Blagojevich’s trial as the primary witness, everyone expects him to squeal like a pig,” said the Republican politico.
    In 2005, Rezko reportedly engaged in a complicated real estate “flip” through which his wife Rita and Obama agreed to split an empty lot adjoining a home that Obama bought in Chicago’s Kenwood district. The deal saw Obama buy the home for $1.65 million, which was $300,00 below market value. Obama then bought a strip of the adjoining property from Mrs. Rezko, a speculative deal that stood to make Obama a handsome profit. Since Rezko’s conviction, the property has has reportedly gone into bankruptcy. Giannoulias’s Broadway Bank was seized by the Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation on April 23, 2010, reportedly as Secretary of Treasury Tim Geithner was on his way to Chicago to present the bank with a bailout check. Geithner quickly changed his plans.
    Giannoulias, Broadway’s then-senior loan officer, has denied being involved in the decision to loan money to Rezko.
    Last month, Blagojevich’s trial judge, U.S. District Court judge James Zagel, a crony of former Illinois Republican Governor Jim Thompson, ruled that all 500 hours of phone calls intercepted and taped by Fitzgerald could not be played during Blagojevich’s trial as demanded by Blagojevich and his defense lawyers. Blagojevich demanded that Fitzgerald “show up in court and explain to everybody . . . why you don’t want those tapes that you made played in court.”
    WMR has learned that the tapes may contain salty references Obama’s and Emanuel’s private lives.
    WMR attempted to interview Blagojevich’s senior defense lawyer Sam Adam to no avail but other informed sources told us that the tapes, if played, would highlight the corruption of not only Obama, Emanuel, and other member of Obama’s Chicago “brain trust” but also Fitzgerald himself. WMR was told that Fitzgerald’s tactics have included providing sex and drugs to imprisoned felons to get them to provide perjured testimony at federal trials.
    It is exactly the type of federal prosecutorial misconduct by Fitzgerald that former Republican Governor said was used by state prosecutors when he commuted the death sentences of Illinois’s death row population. Ryan was indicted by Fitzgerald for fraud and he is currently serving out a federal prison sentence. Blagojevich’s trial is scheduled to begin on June 3 and Fitzgerald’s main interest is to keep the trial focused on Blagojevich, especially after he managed to “flip” Blagojevich’s former chief of staff John Harris to testify against the impeached and ousted governor. WMR learned from informed sources that one lawyer on Harris’s defense team is involved in a gay partner scandal that was discovered by the attorney’s wife.

    Is a Barack Obama bombshell lurking in the shadows, waiting to derail one of the biggest Cinderella stories in recent history?

    While most political prognosticators in the mainstream press presume that Obama is the presumptive Democratic nominee for president, they still wonder aloud if Hillary Clinton (or some other entity) has something up their sleeve.

    The bombshell may involve the murder of Donald Young, a 47-year-old choir master at former Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ—the same congregation that Obama has attended for the past 20 years. Two other young black men that attended the same church—Larry Bland and Nate Spencer—were also murdered execution style with bullets to the backs of their heads—all within 40 days of each other, beginning in November 2007. All three were openly homosexual.

    What links this story to Barack Obama is that, according to an acquaintance of Obama, Larry Sinclair, Obama is a closet bisexual with whom he had sexual and drug-related encounters in November 1999.

    Further, Sinclair claims that Obama was friendly with at least two of these deceased parishioners, and that choir director Donald had contacted him shortly before being murdered from multiple gunshot wounds on December 23, 2007.

    These killings are receiving a number of different reactions. Mike Parker, reporting for CBS in Chicago, wrote, “Activists fear gay African-Americans are being targeted for murder,” while Marc Loveless of the Coalition for Justice and Respect queries, “Are we under attack? Is this a serial killer?”

    An even more sinister aspect of this case is being investigated. According to Sinclair in an affidavit to the Chicago Police Department, Donald Young had informed him that he and Barack Obama were “intimate” with each other. Sinclair, it should be noted, declared on a January 18, 2008, YouTube video that on two separate occasions in November 1999, he engaged in sexual acts with Obama, and that Obama smoked crack cocaine—once in a limousine and the other time at a hotel in Gurnee, Ill.

    Sinclair has also asked: why would Young—whom he had never met—initiate these calls by contacting him on cell phone numbers known only in the Obama camp? Further, a private investigator connected to the Chicago Police Department told the Globe, “Donald Young was silenced because of something he knew about Obama. Donald was in a position where he heard a lot of things and saw a lot of things concerning Barack.”

    Another questionable Obama associate is openly homosexual. That person is Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig, who was listed during the 2008 campaign as being part of Obama’s “technology initiative.”

    In April, Lessig showed a video at a Google seminar entitled Jesus Christ: The Musical where “Jesus Christ lip-syncs Gloria Gaynor’s late 1970s disco hit I Will Survive during which he strips down to just a diaper, effeminately struts along a city street, and finally gets run over by a speeding bus.”

    Are three murders within the span of 40 days among members of America’s most discussed church—one run by the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright—enough to arouse the suspicions of Chicago law enforcement officials and members of the national media?

    Or, as Sinclair wrote in a May 18 email, was the murder of Young “made to look similar to other recent murders as to make it look as if it were a hate crime” because he had become a political liability?

    One can only hope that this isn’t the beginning of another body count eerily reminiscent of that associated with Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    • Yvonne

      Thank you so much, Teresa. That article sheds needed light on why the president is putting so much effort into enforcing gay marriage, putting in federal judges who will vote that way, and working so hard to get gays to be open about their orientation in the military. You spent a lot of time and effort documenting your stand, and I, for one, really appreciate it. Christians, above all, should be standing for honest discussion and exposing evil men, wherever they may be. You were not rude nor hasty and your accusation was well-documented. Don’t let others with questionable motives discourage you. I have copied your article and will use it, as needed.

      • Bob

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        • Teresa

          Sir I do not dislike the President for his sexual preferences…I dislike the President for what he is doing to OUR nation!!!!!!!!!!

      • Karolyn

        Who Cares????

        • Kate8

          Karolyn, Who cares? Are you serious?

          The man is married and has children. Is cheating on your spouse okay with you?

          Character matters. When we stop caring about it we get people in office who have none.

          • Karolyn

            First of all, I don’t believe it anyway; and secondly, many people have open marriages/relationships; and that is their prerogative. As long as it doesn’t interfere with someone’s job or family, I see nothing wrong.

          • http://naver sook young

            Gee, for a modern day, liberated American woman you sure are very confused in your beliefs. You also support such things like open marriages, etc? I suggest that you go back and read your Bible. I know there are many things you have missed or have forgotten with age. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • http://naver sook young

            That comment was for Karolyn.

    • Bob

      From you comment “Another questionable Obama associate is openly homosexual. That person is Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig, who was listed during the 2008 campaign as being part of Obama’s “technology initiative.””

      You’re right! Guilty by association! That makes Rush Limbaugh gay! He had Elton John sing at his recent wedding. I guess he blows more than hot air.

      • http://naver samurai

        Really? Then you must be close buddies with Barney of Massachusetts. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • jdaniel

    I REALLY GET VERY UPSET WHEN PEOPLE start to say that they are christains and knock down the president of our nation.what iam saying is that no one is perfect and this is not the time or place to degrade our country or to trash talk our president. this whole mass was here before he took office.take a very long look at your self and pray to your creator and thank him that you live in a free country.so don’t abuse the freedom of speech with civial liberty.free speech is not intended to use false remarks or to tare down any person life or to be any form of racism.

    • Teresa

      Sir your exactly right..and you need to hear what you just wrote…but this is OUR president in whom is TRYING to take away our freedom of speech, our freedom to bear arms, our FREEDOM period. And as far as our Right to tell the truth about him, he is the one in which drags everyone past and present (Bush, Palin, AZ Gov…etc.), anyone he feels threatened by into the media by lies and slander and any means necessary to fit his agenda. So please do not sit there and preach to us about how we need to conduct ourself on his moral standards. His moral standards are to put the United States above all other interest and that includes his pockets, his commi friends, his special union interest, and his hopes for a one world order! He is he!! bent on globalizing us and does not care at what cost if you can not see that or if you do not care than you truly are blinded for he has TOLD you!

      • Bob

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        • John K

          To some extent it seems so…. Hater of people who would tear down the U.S. and God. But a lover of the said same.

          • John K

            meaning Lover of God & Country.

        • Teresa

          Why, because I want to secure our borders, bear my arms, teach my children AMERICAN history, keep MY earned money (401k etc.), have my Constitutional rights and not have governmenment force bills down my throat (which is basically slavery), think christians and jews should be treated the same “tolerence” from our President and his administration as the muslims are?????? IS THAT WHY?????????????????

        • Dale on left coast

          Get over it Boob . . . your hero the bamster is clueless, even the Chinese have figured that out. When do your lights go on???

        • 45caliber

          It is hate to want the things that Teresa mentioned? No, she just wants the freedoms spelled out as God-given rights in the Constitution. She said nothing about Oblama that showed hatred. Just contempt. There is a difference.

    • 45caliber

      jdaniel:

      I respect the office of the President. I don’t respect the man presently holding that position. He has done nothing to earn that respect other than getting elected. He promised to correct the problems you speak about – but has done nothing except create more and bigger problems. Until he does do something to gain my respect I can believe as I wish about him. It may take longer than two years to correct some of these problems, but he’s had two years to make a start – and things have only gotten worse.

      So don’t lecture me on how I should feel about him. He hasn’t earned it yet.

  • 2WarAbnVet

    I do have some experience in the military. One of the tradition reasons open homosexuals have been restricted from military service is for their own protection. At Ft. Campbell, a few years ago, a gay soldier was beaten to death by his fellow soldiers.
    In today’s permissive society homosexual behavior may be more acceptable. However, I served in Airborne units with soldiers who considered themselves to be the nation’s elite, and who frowned on aberrant behavior. I suspect similar attitudes prevail in the Marine Corps.
    It was with great difficulty that the services to accepted greater roles for female soldiers, and there are still difficulties there. There woll be much greater turmoil with gays.

    • 45caliber

      I agree with you. The real value of the DADT is that it gives the military a chance to get open gays out of the way before someone happens to them.

      What the gays want is a system where they can openly proposition their fellow soldiers and have the military protect their right to do so. In other words, protect them from the other soldiers. That is sexual harassment just as male/female propositions are. The military can’t maintain discipline if sex is part of it – so it isn’t. It just takes longer to prove sexual harassment than using DADT.

  • KG

    It should be a major concern of those in Washington to pass a bill that makes it illegal to pass conglomerate bills. In other words, we should be working toward ONLY allowing one issue bills. Anything else is disingenuous, sneaky, and totalitarian. I absolutely agree with you James. Also, regarding the DADT policy, I am sure there is some wiggle room in this generalization, but the majority of people actually In the military, gay or straight, would like the policy to stay as is. Gays can serve honorably and do whatever on their own time, straights can serve honorably and have one less thing to consider. It is mostly special interest groups not connected with the military that are pushing this. Shut up and down in front. Leave it alone.

    • MsAmericanPatriot

      Okay then lets take the straight people out and fill the military with the deviants. Then Islam can take care of our deviants for us. There are NO faggots in Islam because it is a HANGING offence.

      • Bob

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      • Doc Sarvis

        There ARE homosexuals in Islam they just “don’t tell”. I guess you want our military to follow the Islam way.

        • Brad

          Doc,

          One problem with that train of thought, the military will discharge an openly gay person for their own good. In any country under islamic law that’s a death sentance when caught, so what’s your point, oh that’s right you don’t have one.

      • Karolyn

        What a hateful, un-Christian person you are. We are all God’s children – all brothers and sisters.

        • http://naver samurai

          We’re saying that we don’t hate them as human beings, just the immoral ways they live. Hate the sin and not the sinner. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • home boy

    if you were really a true christian then you wouldn’t be commenting on this web site. jesus said he was not part of this world and neither should you. john 17;16

    • Yvonne

      Actually, Jesus said to be salt and light and it’s a little hard to do that ignorant of the issues or muffled by some false idea of what Christianity is or isn’t. Jesus took his beliefs to the street and so must we.

    • John K

      You must be a lefty. Your verse is taken out of context. Such as the separation of Church and state which states the government by no means shall prohibit the act of worship.

    • mj

      That really the ultimate truth homeboy.

    • 45caliber

      Then what you are trying to say is that we should ignore the world and all its temptations? Or that we should be a part of the world and its temptations?

      Also, Jesus meant that he didn’t sin and he didn’t want us to knowingly sin either. A true Christian – when a sin is committed – feels bad about it and will both ask for forgiveness and attempt to never do it again. A true Christian is supposed to attempt to guide others away from sin – not encourage them to commit sins.

      So I think you are a little off on what you were saying.

    • http://naver samurai

      Actually it says: “They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Raymond Griffin

    And when do the concessions end? Homosexuality is an aberration, and a sinful act. What is next? Pedophilia? Beastiality? And light to moderate drug use? Just because our President may have engaged in gay sexual activities does not give him the right to condone it in the military. This is yet another example of gradualism, in our erosion of values in this country (and around the globe). We must stand on our Founding Principles, and understand that God is In Command!

    • Fedupwithmorons

      You hit the nail on the head! Anyone ever pay attention to how obummer jogs down the stairs of AF1? He sure has some feminine tendencies!

      • James in NY

        You enjoy watching men run up and down stairs I see. Are you make a choice now to be gay?

    • 45caliber

      Raymond:

      I agree.

      • James in NY

        So 45caliber also enjoys watching men run up and down stairs. Perhaps 45caliber and Fedupwithmorons should get together to have some fun.

        • 45caliber

          I think I agreed with Raymond, not Fedup…

          From the sound of your words, though, I suspect YOU are the one who likes to watch men. I, on the other hand, will watch a woman every time.

          • http://naver sook young

            James is just a liar sent by satan. Please ignore him and he’ll go away. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

    • Karolyn

      Raymond – “Founding Principles” How do you know that any one of the founding fathers wasn’t gay? How do you know they didn’t smoke pot? How do you know the Bible is true word-for-word. It was put down into words by scribes who made mistakes and authored by people with different ideas and viewpoints. Besides the fact that translations and interpretations differ. Read about this if you dare. I don’t think God will strike you dead.

      • 45caliber

        How do you know that everything you mentioned is not the way we think? Why would you believe that?

        • Karolyn

          45 – Well it’s pretty obvious in what’s been said by you and those that have the same views as you do.

      • Teresa

        Karolyn says how do we know the bible is true word for word: Because God says so!

        • Karolyn

          Oh, he told you?

          • http://naver sook young

            As a patriotic American woman I really feel sorry for you. What kind of good patriotic American doesn’t believe in God? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Teresa

            Karolyn you speak we are all children of God but yet you do not know the basic teachings of the Bible…Yes God tells us ALL!

          • Karolyn

            Sook – I never said I don’t believe in God, it’s just a different concept from most religions. And, Teresa, I do know the basic teachings of the Bible, having been raised as a Christian and practiced as such up until 5 years ago. I have delved deeper into the Bible. Currently, I am reading “Misquoting Jesus” by a biblical scholar who started out as an evangelical christian young man and changed his beliefs the more he studied. Very interesting reading, but I’m sure you wouldn’t be interested in what someone else has to say because they’re guided by the devil. That’s how I used to feel. I lived in fear; and I no longer live in fear.

          • Teresa

            No Karolyn what I do believe is this…I believe the bible Word for Word, for God tells us to…I do not believe what others tell me for that is “their” interpretation. I believe there will be false prophets, false religions, false idols, false doctrines…and I believe that you want to associate yourself with others to strenghten yourself and your values…I think that is why churches themself and christians get bad names because they associate the person with the church they attend…I may attend a church but is not the church nor the preacher I am dedicated to…it is Jesus…I attend to help strengthen my faith…but if I feel a pull from the church I disassociate myself from it, I do not need someone to help me communicate w/Jesus. It is your personal responsibility to study and learn the bible and educate yourself from the bible, not someone elses then you will never learn, you will only get their interpretation.

          • Karolyn

            Teresa – Much of the Bible is very hard to understand and I look to those more knowledgeable to assist with the understanding. It is not so cut-and-dried, as I used to believe.

        • http://naver sook young

          Rolf, I really feel sorry for you. You post verses from the Bible and take them so far out of context. You must be a liberal, as they are the ones who do this and not God believing patriots. Why don’t you go back and actually read the Bible and get to know what it means. I’ll be praying for you and your misguided soul. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

        • http://naver samurai

          Rolf you must be a moron! If you read it coorectly it says in Mark chapter 10 verses 11-12:

          11. And he sayeth unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
          12. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

          We also know that the Bible does allow for divorce in the case of sexual sin. The verses above means that if the husband or wife divorces their spouse just to marry someone else (Not because of sexual sin), them they are committing adultery. Thes days people may divorce for the silliest of reasons, but it is still adultery in God’s eyes.

          Mark chapter 12 verses 18-27, you have taken way far out of context, as my wife said. The Sadducees were testing Jesus with a hypothetical situation. The woman herself didn’t really exist, as they were tempting him to answer about the resurrection, in which the Sadducees did not believe in. What does Jesus say to them?

          24. Do yea not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, nor the power of God?
          25. For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
          26. And as touching the dead, that they rise; have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Issac, and the God of Jacob?
          27. He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

          Ergo, she would not be anyone’s wife in heaven.

          Sorry, Rolf, wrong again on Leviticus chapter 18 verse 19.

          19. Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.

          No sex while is is on her period isn’t just said by God, but it’s common sense not to do that. It doesn’t say they would be executed. Need to read a lot better on that one.

          I think that you really need to bone up more on what you say and not give factually unfounded statements on this site. Just another lib trying to stir the waters. We won last Tuesday, so get over it! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Lewis Munn

        Karolyn,

        How do you know there was a George Washington? How do you know there were slaves? How do you know Benjamin Franklin wrote in Europe? Were you watching while evolution of the species actually happened, so you can attest Darwin wrote it completely and correctly?

        My point being there are lots of things you believe but cannot prove.

        Touching one other area, I have read many translations of the Bible, and prefer one by a George Lamsa, a Christian Arab, who studied ancient languages and translated very old manuscripts, and clarified some of the mistranslations in small errors of the modern texts from Latin and Greek. And confirmed that the basic texts of the Bible from these other sources agree with most of our modern texts, in all important areas.

        I think that you need to be very careful of what you accuse others. When you point a finger at them, you are pointing three back at yourself, assuming you point normally!

        I will say that those who accuse President Obama of Biblical Christianity seem to be on very shaky ground.

  • Pam

    I don’t believe John 17:16 refers to using a computer or commenting on politics. Yes, we are to be in this world, not of this world, but I think you are way off base.

  • Rick

    This man/child is as arrogant and duplicitous as any President in the
    history of our country. Anyone, who would take off on a tour of Asia
    soon after a no confidence vote with 3,000 of his closest friends, has
    no respect for the American people. How many U.S. citizens could
    benefit from the $2 billion he is wasting on his personal gratification? Then, to stick his thumb in our eye even further, he is
    going to Portugal at the end of this month. At a bad economic time in
    our country, he is taking endless sightseeing trips worldwide on our
    dime. He is acting like the Roman Emporer Nero, so I call him Nerobama.

    • Karolyn

      Presidents have traveled the world forever. It’s part of the job. The trip was planned and had already been cancelled once. Just because a bunch of rethuglicans got elected doesn’t mean business shouldn’t go on as usual.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn, Right. No reason for him to show any respect for the struggling taxpayer now, just because he got slapped by the voters.

        He’s going to live large for as long as he can get away with it. He really is like Nero, partying while the country burns.

        • http://naver samurai

          Good comparison from history, fellow patriot! I like your high level of knowledge. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://naver sook young

          Sorry Rolf, but Kate* was talking about Obama not caring or respecting the average American taxpayer because his people were soundly defeated in this last election. She didn’t mention anything that you have mention in your posting. Please try to read and understand what someone is saying before you post something, OK? Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

  • Bob

    Most of you appear to be self-righteous, judgmental, all-knowing, and hateful of your fellow citizens. There is no basis for such beliefs. And those who choose to disagree, have a spiritual flaw. You make God frown on you for the shunning of his children. I feel sorry for you all.

    • John K

      You realize that God made a distiction between the Children of God and the children of satan. If you do not, then you are obviously ignorant of what God’s children are about.

      • Bob

        If you truly believe GOD created everything then where did Satan come from?

        • 45caliber

          You haven’t read much of the Bible if you don’t know that answer. And, since you don’t, go read some more. You might learn even more than just the answer to that question.

        • Teresa

          Satan was God’s favorite Angel in heaven, but became jealous of God and wanted to be equal to God (his own God so to speak)….is the reason he was cast from heave to earth.
          Do you not know any of the bible teachings?

        • Teresa

          You know what Bob, honestly you say you feel sorry for us but yet your the one who seems angry and passing judgement because we do not think like you…You see, we (even though we get angry that our rights are being taken from us) are at peace w/ourself and our souls because we know where our heart is and our soul is. We know that no matter how bad things get…and trust me they will get bad….that we are going to be so much better off one day. That’s something that you and Obama and nobody in this misreable world can ever take from us.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry Rolf, but things will not improve in this country till we get back to the ways we were founded. The ways of our Christian founding fathers. Also not until we get the libs to quit trying to push God back into the churches. Separation of church and state and separation of God from public life were NEVER intended by our founding fathers. By the way, if you read your earlier post, my wife and I disected your misguided posting of those Bible verses. Many of the things you said were complete lies or you only told half of what they said. You can’t fool God fearing patriots that post on this site. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! This moron is another of those “wolves in sheep’s clothing” that Jesus warned his disciples about. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            Pardon my language, but damn rolf just disappeared from the radar screen. I know this is you Chris, you moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Teresa

      Yes we are all flawed, we are human and fall short in the eyes of God. But we pray for strength, and we get angry, but self-righteous, no. Nobody is perfect but him alone, never claimed to be and seek guidance every day, but we also will not be quite and will stand for our beliefs, which is what is wrong with this society, too politically correct and put God aside!

      • 45caliber

        Teresa:

        You are correct. When Jesus said, “Your sins are forgiven,” he also added, “Go and sin no more.”

        You can’t be forgiven sins if you deliberately set out to do things you KNOW are sins since God had identified many of them. For instance, Jesus can forgive the sins of a murderer but He doesn’t expect that sinner to then go and kill again without committing another sin. Yet many now seem to feel that once saved, always saved regardless of what they do. A true Christian, who has received Jesus into their lives, tries to follow His example of not sinning, even though we know we will fail sooner or later. But we don’t set out to deliberately sin, believing that Jesus will HAVE to forgive that too.

        Man can’t decide what is sin and what is not sin. God does – and God does not change. As the Bible says, “He is the same, yesterday, today, and forever.” The problem is that many of today’s people believe that God did not create man and the laws; they believe man created God and the laws and can therefore change the laws at will. WRONG!

        • Teresa

          Very well put…what a lot of people also don’t get is that God is a jealous God…and that Jesus got angry without sinning before. But we as humans sin daily…rather it be our thoughts, our actions or what not, but it is up to us to call upon HIM for strength! Yes I get angry, Yes I fall short, Yes I need his strength, and YES we as a nation HAVE to turn back to HIM and HIM alone!

          • home boy

            so tell where in the bible it says god is a jealous god?

          • 45caliber

            homeboy:

            Look it up. You might find some other interesting reading while you are looking.

          • home boy

            if your goingto state a fact back it up with proof . god is a loving god . ex; 34;14 where it says god is jealous is not the same as me being jealous over some one elses ability. he is saying he wants his sovernty that he his the only true god.he is jealousfor fear that you may concludea convenant with the inhabitants of the lands they will certainly have immoral intercourse with their gods. go back up to joh k’s comment about the jews not being the chosen ones and see what i wrote back with proof from the bible about this topic. i’d like to hear your opinion

          • 45caliber

            What do you know, homie? You actually got it right! If you look some more you will also find that Jesus said that he didn’t come to replace the law. So the Jews still follow them. And I’m not going to look that one up for you either.

          • JLC

            Home Boy — Try Exodus 20:5, to start with and go from there!

    • Fedupwithmorons

      Bob, you’re a weenie judgmental in your opine aren’t you? You are a total hypocrite!

    • Fedupwithmorons

      Go smoke some more crack! You’ll feel better!

    • mj

      GOD frowns on those who have chosen to ignore his law. I have read the Bible for most of my life and you cannot make something GOD abhors right, if you do then you need a good teacher to help you with the Bible. Society today does the same thing with the death penalty, using a compassionate Jesus as being all forgiving of even the worst killer. GOD said it must be destroyed or it will overtake you society, and it has. Jesus did not come to change one letter of our Father’s law. Being gay is a burden to carry, we all have one, carry it the way GOD would have you carry it.

      • Bob

        Do you believe in the 6th commandment? ‘You shall not murder.’

        “GOD said it must be destroyed or it will overtake you society”

        Which is it? Pick one!

        • 45caliber

          You are correct. It says, “Thou shall not murder”. But that doesn’t mean that you can’t have the death penalty or that you can’t defend yourself, your house, and your country by using lethal force.

          Don’t equate them with murder. They aren’t the same.

          Also, remember that Jesus preached love. But He also said that He would be the judge on judgement day. And from what He said, He won’t forgive those who didn’t seek His love prior to judgement day and He won’t forgive those who deliberately continued to sin after He forgave the sins.

          • home boy

            murder is a whole different ball game than defending youself.

    • 45caliber

      Bob:

      God frowns on us for shunning his children? Really? I’m glad you are so certain that you know what God wants and believes. But I’m afraid you might be a little bit wrong about it.

      Paul stated that we should help others. But if someone comes into the church and tries to lead the Christians astray, we are to meet with them, issue a warning, and then expell them if needed to prevent them from influencing those Christians that do not know the Truth.

      So if we “shun” some of God’s children, there might actually be some reason for it. You might want to read your Bible (and perhaps actually get one to read) rather than insist you know what God wants.

    • Karolyn

      A big AMEN to that Bob. Some day they’ll find out what the Truth is.

      • 45caliber

        I’d rather live by the Truth as I understand it than your version. At least my way I’ve still got a chance at heaven if I’m wrong.

        • Teresa

          AMEN!

    • Kate8

      Right back at’cha, Bob.

      And anyway, just because you pronounce our beliefs have no basis, is that supposed to mean something?

      LOL.

    • http://naver samurai

      Remember bob, this nation is a Christian nation and forever shall be such. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        Just read up on our founding fathers and then you’ll know. Remember this:

        “Religion is of general and public concern and on its proper support depend, in great measure, the peace and good order of government, the safety and happiness of the people. By our form of government, the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are place upon the same equal footing, and are equally entitled to protection of their religious liberty.”

        Samuel Chase
        Chief Justice of the Supreme Court-1803

        This would mean yes to school prayer. No to gays, bisexuals, and other immoral things. Also, no arresting Christians for praying at a gay rally. Read up on our history sometime. You may be surprised what you learn. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver sook young

        No, actually you are wrong. Just read up on John Adams, George Washington, Samuel Chase, etc, and you will see that you are wrong. There may be people of other religions living here, but that is how we were founded. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

  • Pete

    Finally, a voice of reason. Thanks for your comments Bob. True christians would never believe nor say such hateful things as most of you are saying. When you read the Bible, read ALL of the Bible, don’t simply pick out the parts that fit your personal beliefs and ideas.

    • Bob

      AMEN TO THAT!

    • Fedupwithmorons

      What is your definition of “Christian”?

      • Bob

        Someone who faithfully follows the teachings of Jesus the Christ. What’s your definition?

        • 45caliber

          You are on the right track. But you missed one word:”… to faithfully follow ALL the teachers of Jesus …”

          You can’t pick and choose.

          • 45caliber

            teaching, not teachers.

    • 45caliber

      Pete:

      I certainly agree that all people should read ALL the Bible. Have you read the part about Lot and Soddom??

      • Karolyn

        the main reason Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed was idolatry. It’s all made up anyway. Why does the same story exist in two different parts of the Bible in two different cities? Genesis 19:4,5 and Judges 19:22. Why does the story of Jesus’ birth appear in writings hundreds of years before his actual birth? It would appear that some of the Bible is copied from previous texts.

        • 45caliber

          Really? So you don’t believe in prophesy, huh? Perhaps you should read some more and try to believe it.

          Actually, they found some Armenian copies of the books awhile back (10 year or more ago now). They compared them to the King James Bible. They found about two words different upon translation. Not a bad job of sticking with the original, I’d say.

        • Kate8

          Karolyn, Where do you think the term ‘sodomy’ came from?

          • Karolyn

            Oh, c’mon Kate you really think I didn’t know where it came from?

          • Kate8

            The point is, it’s not about idolatry.

            What gives you the insight into what God’s intention was for destroying those cities? Clearly, he was offended by pretty much everything going on in them.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – I would have to find it again, but I got that from a site that takes apart the Bible and shows different interpretations/different translations. Where a Greek word or phrase might translate differently from what is ordinarily accepted.

          • 45caliber

            Karolyn:

            In other words, you did not get your information from the Bible. You got it from some person – who probably had his own reasons for interprutting it that way. Would you believe that I’ve seen someone insist that the world was destroyed by God 7 times by water? Where he got that, I don’t know. It certainly doesn’t say so in my Bible. It sounds like the person you heard from is as bad at interprutting the Bible as many of the liberals are at interprutting Oblama’s mistakes when he talks.

          • Karolyn

            Kate – Well, didn’t the words in the Bible come from “some person.” I have read parts of the Bible, but I choose to rely on Biblical scholars for the real interpretations and not superficial interpretations like those of most preachers.

        • http://naver samurai

          Actually they were destroyed for their sexual immorality. You know being gay, bisexual, having orgies, and beastial relationships. Please try to read the Word of God a little better next time. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • DavidL

    Should Christians in our country, especially the fundamentalists, really be talking about arrogance?

    This President ran on a pledge to end DADT, and the overwhelming number of people in our country support it’s repeal. Unless the “Christians” are willing to pick up a weapon and stand a post in place of our citizens who are gay, I suggest they reflect on their own arrogance.

    • 45caliber

      If there is “an overwhelming majority” of citizens who back this repeal, why don’t we have a popular vote to decide the issue? Personally, I believe that there is an overwhelming majority of citizens that would shoot down any repeal of it.

      And don’t worry about the need for someone to walk the post of some gay person who might like to serve the country in the military. If the gay person isn’t already walking that post (as many now do) I’m certain the military can find someone to take up the slack.

      • DavidL

        A majority of the American people are against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. They want DADT repealed and so does the Secretary of Defense, our military establishment, and the President. This discriminatory policy is hurting the military readiness of our country. Just because you don’t accept these as facts, doesn’t mean they are not.

        DODT is going to be repealed just as the laws against interracial marriage and racial discrimination in housing and accommodations have been repealed.

        • 45caliber

          DavidL:

          Riiigghhtttt. Say, I have this bridge for sale. Interested?

        • http://naver sook young

          Could you give the name of your source on this matter? Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

  • Fedupwithmorons

    Who are these people you are referring to? The majority does not support repeal of DADT! It is the minority loudmouthes, supported by lame stream media who supports it! The majority also does not support gay marriage!

    • Bob

      The majority at one time did not support blacks the right to marry, as well as interracial marriage. That doesn’t make it right does it?
      One of Obama’s campaign promises was to repeal DADT. Or don’t you remember that?!?

      • http://naver sook young

        You sound almost like patriotic american and others I’ve had the displeasure of reading. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

    • James in NY

      Polls show 70% of Americans support the repeal of DADT. The policy is an archaic throwback to the days of segregation in the military. As for 45Caliber, you have been watching a bit too much of American Idol and other reality TV shows. We don’t have popular referendums in this country to decide who we like and do not like. DADT has been ruled unconstitutional. It is going the way of separate but equal.

      • http://naver samurai

        James in NY is full of crap. If you want to listen to the MSM, that’s fine, but don’t ask don’t tell hasn’t been ruled unconstitutional, for it is still the common practice in the military. Take it from this 20 year veteran, it is still enforced today. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Karolyn

      And where do you get your stats from?

      • James in NY

        Sep 2010 Angus Reid poll showed only 31% of Americans disagreed with repealing DADT. I should have said nearly 70% and not more than 70% although other polls put the % wanting repeal at over 70%. As usual, the % favoring repeal is highest among young voters.

        • 45caliber

          Out of curiosity, did they specify how many of those in favor were presently military or had once been in the military?

        • Karolyn

          Statistics are always based on who is taking the poll anyway. You really can’t trust too many of them.

          • 45caliber

            For once you said something almost right. You can’t trust ANY of them. Certainly not any liberal ones.

        • http://naver samurai

          James and Bob are full of crap! Take form this 20 year combat veteran, no one in the army wants gays to be there. Not in the same foxhole, barracks, shower room, etc, no where. Don’t believe the polls or what the MSM tell you, for many of them tend to lean towards the left wing extremists and their beliefs. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Michael

            Where did you serve and when? Which combat were you apart of?

          • http://naver samurai

            OK Michael, I’ll answer that one. I served in the U.S. Army from March 1985 – June 2005. All my time was as an 11H (Tow missle gunner) in the infantry. I saw action in Iraq Dec 1990 – April 1991, Iraq March 2003 – April 2004 (awarded silver star, bronze star, and 2 purple hearts) Feb 2005 – May 2005. I also went to Afghanistan Dec 2001 – Jan 2003. I hope this answers your question. I’ve also been stationed in Europe, Korea, Japan, Philippines, and many other places. I hope that this is enough for you. I also retired an E7, sergeant first class. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Fedupwithmorons

    Obummers promises are meaningless!

    • Bob

      Then so are yours

    • DavidL

      Hey Fedup……

      They may be meaningless to you, but they are important in your life even though your extreme partisanship blinds you to that fact. He promised to get us out of Iraq. He did that. He promised to responsibly engage in Afghanistan. He’s doing that. He promised to fight the war on terrorism more intelligently and more effectively. He is doing that. He promised to end discrimination against women in the workforce (equal pay for equal work). He did that. He promised to end the illegal practice of torture by the US. He did that. He promised to reduce the rise in health care costs to you and your family. He did that. He promised to protect you and your kids from being thrown off insurance coverage when they get sick. He did that. He promised to reduce your taxes. He has done that a multiple of times, and wants to do it again. He promised to end discrimination against our fellow citizens (putting their life on the line protecting you) because they are gay. He’s doing that. The list goes on and on and would be better if, for self-serving political reasons which just bore fruit, the Republicans had thought of the country first, been in good faith, and helped instead of diminished.

      Remember, when you point your finger to identify “morons”, you should notice that you have three fingers point back at you.

      • Teresa

        We left Iraq when Bush said we would remember. The surge is working because of Bush NOT Obama he was against it remember. He is not fighting the war on terrorism More effectively namely because he will not even use the WORD terrorism, he uses “tolerence” remember. His promise for equal pay for women in the workplace = nothing more than union in our school districts and postal offices and health care that he unconstitutionally forced down our throats remember. The 3 illegal waterboards that were used during 9/11 were used to the capture of top ranking terrorist and possibly saved thousands in the US and was act of war times remember. Reduce the cost of healthcare…are you out of your freaking mind! The cost of health care has went up mandatory 7-13% across the board remember. Yes he not only got our kids from being knocked off ins, which is our choice but he got 3.5 illegals from being kicked off, but of course the muslims do not have to pay for this…remember! And reduced our taxes, I swear you live in CA and are smoking the best weed grown on earth for this man has NOT, I repeat NOT reduced our taxes.. REMEMBER THAT! He has brought our country back 100 yr. in discrimination, preaching his “tolerence” and forcing unconstitutional rights upon us…remember.

        • Brad

          Teresa,

          Great come back;

          DavidL said, “Remember, when you point your finger to identify “morons”, you should notice that you have three fingers point back at you”. November 2nd is a lesson learned, the rats are on their way out, they pointed the moronic finger and got it bitten off, so who’s the fool DavidL.

          • DavidL

            Hey Brad,
            The only thing that the rats are doing, is being replaced by worse rats who are going to damage the middle class even more.

            The Tea Party/Republican candidates came to power attacking our deficit. They are now going to dramatically increase the deficit by voting to raise the debt ceiling to over 14 trillion. They are going to attempt to repeal the health reform law and, if successful, add over 100 billion to the deficit. They will also vote to reduce taxes on the super rich which will add another 700 million to the ballooning deficit. All this will be accomplished, mind you, by borrowing more money from China. And, the poetic irony is that all this will be done while receiving a hefty salary from the American citizens whose interests they are hurting.

            What I find interesting, pathetic really, is that during his campaign Paul talked about keeping true to our values and principles and standing up for what is right. He recently announced that he will vote against raising the debt ceiling AS LONG AS HE KNOWS IT’S GOING TO PASS. Sounds like a real politician to me.

            It’s much easier to criticize and to complain and not have any responsibility for addressing and solving problems. These newly elected officials, and most of the people who write on this site, will soon learn that it is far more difficult, and complex, to take responsibility and to govern.

          • Dan az

            So what is this the gay parade?who opened the flood gates it was bad enough when all we had to deal with was libs and progs and now this the pansy boys want to parade on this site unabashed.Well knock your selves out Im out of here!

        • jodi

          teresa you told the truth right there

        • DavidL

          Teresa,
          This is fantasy. Who was President when the troops were ordered home from Iraq? Not Bush.

          The “military surge” did not result in “success” in Iraq as you think. We bought off the religious opposition to switch sides. They did.

          President Obama has done more in his 18 months in office to fight terrorism and protect this country than President Bush did in his last four years. 1. President Obama has many more drone kills of terrorist leaders. 2. President Obama, through civilian courts, has many more convictions of terrorists.

          • 45caliber

            Really. During Bush’s term, after 9/11, we had no more acts of terrorism in the country. During Oblama’s time, we’ve had two major attacks, both of which failed due to no action by the government or Oblama. You might want to reconsider your comments.

          • Teresa

            You still live in a dream world…

          • http://naver sook young

            Have you been sleeping the last 2 years? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • http://naver samurai

        David, why are you wasting our time with you breathing on this site, moron? Lower our taxes and health care costs? How? Brought troops back from Iraq? Tell that to the 50,000 that will be staying there and rotated on a certain timeframe set up by the military. Fight responsible in Afghanistan? Since when has he done that? I really think you need to see your doctor for your obviously severe case of cranial retumitis. Ha, ha, ha, ha! What a moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • DavidL

          What would things look like if the opposite policies were followed?

          • 45caliber

            Better.

        • DavidL

          Check your facts, man. The health reform law REDUCES the deficit by over 140 billion over the next ten years! The president wanted, and got, his program at deficit neutral. In others words, he is paying for it! Check the CBO numbers. Do yourself and your family a favor. Do some homework!

          • 45caliber

            Are you sure you don’t want that bridge? It can pay for itself in less than five years when you start charging people to use it….

          • Teresa

            Here are some facts you need to know about ObamaCare:

            *Costs taxpayers a staggering $1 trillion over the next decade.
            *Increases health care spending by more than $200 billion.
            *Raises drug prices and the cost of premiums.
            *Raises taxes on small businesses.
            *Burdens state governments with costs nearing $10 billion between 2014 and 2019.
            *Forces companies to drop employer-provided health coverage for workers.
            *Incentivizes individuals to drop their own coverage, pay a penalty, and only get health insurance when they get sick.

            And these are just a couple for you

          • http://naver samurai

            Bzzzzz too late David, I already did my homework. The question is did you do yours? Tell me where are we going to get the $1 trillion dollars for Obama bin Laden care next year, hmmmm? The only way possible, in my opinion, is to let the Bush tax cuts expire. If he did that, the average American would see their taxes go up at least 5% and trillions more dollars flowing into Washington. If he does this, it’ll be the largest tax hike in our country’s history. If we kept following Bush’s Middle East policies and not the on’es of Obama bin Laden, we would also be on better footing there. If you want to give factual info, fine. Just quit putting the leftward spin to it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Lewis Munn

        DavidL,

        Obama has promised to raise my taxes, and seems to be keeping his promises there too!

        He did not promise runaway inflation, but I see the price of my groceries climbing rapidly now as a result of all the funny money he is printing and distributing. Inflation is just another form of government taxation.

  • 45caliber

    One thing to remember about Oblama. He is positive he has the sole ability to come up with the best for our country. If he says something should be done, then we shouldn’t question his reason for it. His healthcare program is an example of this reasoning as well as his comments that he must not have done a good enough job of selling it to the people since many are against it. He doesn’t doubt that it is bad at all – just that the people are too dense to realize he knows what is best for us.

    And as long as he continues to believe this, we can expect to continue to see him push for things like DADT repeal because he is certain that he knows what is best for us – even if we are too stupid to understand that.

    • DavidL

      To have an intelligent discussion, pal, you need facts and not just “feel-good self-serving rhetoric.” Your comments, once again, are fact- less. and irrelevant to the topic being discussed. It is a fact, despite what your super partisanship blinds you to, that President Obama has done more to effectively fight the war on terrorism in the 18 months he’s been in office than President Bush did in his last 4 years.

      This just in from the Associated Press – Since President Obama has been in office, our deficit has dropped 20%!

      For God’s sake, do some homework to know what you are talking about. Again, you and your family will benefit when you are not so uninformed.

      • http://naver samurai

        Then why is our deficit more than $14 trillion dollars and climbing? Why is this our highest deficit in history? Can you tell me how it has dropped by 20%? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Rachel M Hervey PHN

    This is so filled with trash that it is not worth the paper it is written on. Where does all this hate and ugliness come from ? For those who contributed to this sad tale of affairs I hope you can do something useful in the future to make up for it. Has it, ever, occurred to you to to say something nice that would inspire someone to do better than they have, already ? I’m an old school nurse and I bet very few high school kids would be caught doodling their time and our ENGLISH language away (such as you have) to perpetuate such meanness. When you grow up, you can apologize to the folks you tried so, desperately, to hurt ! Sincerely,

    • 45caliber

      Rachel:

      It truly is NOT hate. It is more contempt. There is a big difference.

      • Karolyn

        Contempt might just be worse.

        • 45caliber

          No, not really. Contempt means you have no liking for them and what they try to do. Hate means you personally hate the person and will kill if you get the chance.

          • Karolyn

            45 – I’ve had a couple of people here say, in so many words, that they would kill me. And that’s just because of ideological differences.

  • Alan

    Seperation of church and state is a freedom we enjoy in America. If you don’t like it move to a Islamic country or a country that fights wars over religious beliefs. For me it’s save the world and ban religion. PS I like and support our elected President.

    • Pam

      Do you really know the true definition of church and state?

      • Teresa

        NO HE DOES NOT.

    • home boy

      banning religion is coming. the governments thru the un are planning to destroy all religion(babylon the great) stay tuned

    • 45caliber

      Alan:

      Sorry, Bud, but you are wrong. There is NO law of seperation of church and state. There is a law in the Constitution that says the government has no power over religion. The idea of seperation of church and state comes from politicians who doesn’t want anyone to object to their more stupid ideas. And your idea of what it means is a good example of stupid idea.

      • Karolyn

        There has to be separation of church and state, otherwise this wouldn’t be a free country.

        • 45caliber

          Wrong again, Karolyn:

          You have to keep the government out of religion if you want freedom of religion. They can’t get involved. But there is no reason to keep religion out of politics. Someone with a set of morales is going to be a lot more careful of what he does than a person that has none at all. And morales comes from a religious upbringing.

          But our government is getting involved when it starts allowing a small religion (atheism) to start dictating to everyone else as to what is acceptable in religion and what isn’t. The government is also getting involved when they start dictating about what the religions can preach about sins and start meddling in the religious ceremony called marriage.

        • http://naver sook young

          Karolyn, for being an American and one that says she believes in God (or maybe not) you really don’t know our Constitution. Separation of church and state is just a myth. Separation of God from public life? Never intended by our founding fathers. Could you please tell me the paragraph that states separation of church and state? Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

      • Mary Contrary

        Separation of Church and State was in the constitution of the former USSR.

    • http://naver samurai

      Alan, separation of church and state is a myth. Our Constitution says the government cannot set up a state religion and the government must keep their hands off of the churches. They also cannot pass laws banning or telling someone how and when to worship. Not only is it a myth, but separation of God from public life? Never intended by our Christian founding fathers. You show this historian the exact paragraph that says separation of church and state. It isn’t there, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Karolyn

        Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian.

        • http://naver samurai

          Bzzzz wrong again Karolyn. Thomas Jefferson did believe in God and Jesus and was a Christian. The left will tell you he is a deist, but was he? If this is true, then why did he hold religious services every Sunday for both his terms in the White House? Also, when he signed the Enabling Acts in 1803, it enforced Christianity. How? The Enabling Acts made it possible for territories in the Northwest Ordinance to become new state in the union, but the states in question had to follow the guidelines of the Northwest Ordinance in order to do this. Remember what it says in The Northwest Ordinance of 1789:

          “Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall be forever encouraged.”

          This was written by George Washington. This meant having classes on religion, having school prayer, etc, but Jefferson still signed the Enabling Acts into law, why? If Jefferson was a deist or not a Christian, why would he sign such an act into law? An act that supported religion and pray in our schools, though he didn’t believe in organized religion or God? Please Karolyn, I have a master’s degree in history, so this little stab at our Christian founding fathers was easily dismissed. Of course I have to consider the source of the info, now don’t I? Please do your homework next time before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Karolyn

            I read so much thata I can’t remember where I read it, but the piece said that Jefferson abided by the Bible; however, he cut out every reference to Jesus being the Messiah. I will try to find the info again. He did believe in God but was not a Christian.

          • Michael

            YOU have a master’s degree in history?!? You certainly don’t sound like it.

          • http://naver samurai

            Just google the Northwest Ordinance, George Washington and God, Thomas Jefferson, religion, and God. You should be able to find your answers there. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver samurai

            I seem to have a lot more education than you do. Where did you graduate from? What year? What was your major? What type of degree do you have? Can you answer my questions or are you going to be like Obama bin Laden and hide them somewhere? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry Michael, but you are the one who is acting irrationally. First you start by attacking me for no reason, then you attack my husband, then others because we don’t agree with you. No two people ever think exactly alike. Can you answer the questions we have asked or are you going to continues showing us how immature you are with these unwarranted attack on people? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

  • jopa

    I’m still trying to figure out why so many gay bashers are actually gay themselves.Do they do it to hide or cover their feelings of people of the same sex like a smoke screen.Other than Larry Craig one of the biggest surprises in my lifetime was when J Edgar Hoover was exposed.

    • 45caliber

      I love how you libs always insist that if someone doesn’t like what you do, then they must be what they don’t like. And how do you know Hoover was gay? Neither he nor anyone of his time said so. Perhaps, like most historically important figures, the gay group is trying to claim him??

    • Mary Contrary

      That’s just a way of trying to make people, who want traditional sexual morals, to be silent. It’s a technique not a truth.

    • Michael

      It makes me wonder how many other ‘foot tappers’ like Larry Craig, frequent these forums. When people finger point there are always 3 fingers pointing back at the source.

    • Belinda Wallace

      Hoover was gay? Give me a break!!!!!!Were is your proof?

      • libertytrain

        There isn’t any concrete proof just a lot of things about his private life that could make the average gay or straight person think he might have been gay. Do some Googling and you’ll find some interesting things regarding him.

  • Wyman Bess

    Actually the organization should not be surprised by Obama’s Aerogance. That’s him. He is talking about compromise. I am less concerned about compromise and more concerned about what is RIGHT for this great country. We got great without Obama so what we need is to get him out.

    • Lionel

      You’re right. We got great without Obama. We also got great without you as well. I guess that makes you and Obama even.

      • 45caliber

        Hey, I’ll readily admit that I’m no greater than Oblama. Will you? And I’m out (and have no intention of trying to get in). So why can’t he be out too?

      • 45caliber

        I do admit that I’m not “greater” than he is – but he does have some serious mental problems I don’t have. I know I’m not God and I know that many of my decisions are not ones others would make or need. He doesn’t know that.

  • home boy

    so here’s a stat i’m sure you boys and girls who are so called christian will enjoy. ww2 had 28 nations fighting a world war. 24 were christians. christians fighting christians . how loving is that ?

    • 45caliber

      What does being a Christian fighting a Christian have to do with WWII??

      Actually Hitler didn’t believe there was a God. And he murdered about 12 million people in his concentration camps. It was our Christian duty to stop him from killing even more.

      Or are you trying to say we should have allowed him to kill everyone??

      • home boy

        no i’m say if christians are supposed to be loving why did christians fight each other in ww2. there were others besides hitler that were christians , italians,french etc . theirs no point in going around tell people that christians are loving when they battle each other.

        • 45caliber

          We didn’t go out to fight Christians. Your point is wrong. We went out to right wrongs – and to prevent those wrongs from coming here. It doesn’t matter if what religion the other people have if they are doing the wrong things. And they were certainly doing the wrong things! You need to do a little more studying of history. Just because you love someone doesn’t mean you must never ever fight against what they are trying to do. Tell me, if you see someone beating a child (not spanking them), do you stop and ask them if they are Christian before you take a hand? I’m talking of using fists type of beating or clubs.

        • Mary Contrary

          Just because many of the soldiers were Christians doesn’t mean their leaders were.

      • Kate8

        45, For all the left’s ranting about killing, they fail to recognize the multi-millions murdered when communist/socialist regimes take over. It will be no different here, because they cannot survive as long as some of the people yearn for freedom.

        I guess it doesn’t bother them when the ones being killed don’t agree with their ideology. Like Christians and conservatives. Dissent is only acceptable when they are the dissenters.

        • http://naver sook young

          Let’s also not forget how the democrats and liberals have supported the slaughtering of 50 million babies in this country. This has nothing to do with being Christian, but has to do with being evil. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • Karolyn

            I didn’t know we were debating abortion here. That sure came out of left field.

          • Michael

            From your comment>>>’Let’s also not forget how the democrats and liberals have supported the slaughtering of 50 million babies in this country.’ Those are very strong accusations! Where is your proof of that?

            If you’re right, then it is important to lump a certain group of people together. I guess that would make all Koreans communists. Right?

          • http://naver sook young

            I refuse to answer such an ignorant comment. Just google about who gives money to planned parenthood and naral, you may just be surprised. Actually, you sound more the communist than I do. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Michael

            You evidently don’t understand English at an intelligent level.

          • http://naver samurai

            Michael, if all you are going to do is cyber stalk my wife, I suggest that you cease and dessist any and all further attempts. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

            P.S. By the way, you are the one who sounds lesser intelligent and not my wife.

          • http://naver samurai

            Well then, I guess this is simply a case of you say tomato (to may to) and you say tomato (to mah to). We may use different words and/or phrases, but the meaning is still there. That’s the important thing, isn’t it? By the way, before when you said you took offense to something my wife said, look at your earlier posts. My wife posted no responses to you, but I did. You need to see the target you’re looking at before you shoot. You missed badly and now you have some collateral damage under your belt. Then again, lib, gay loving, baby killing, marxists don’t care who they hurt, as long as they get their way. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Lewis Munn

            Sook,

            I appreciate your stand. You speak much good and much truth firmly but gently also.

            I do not appreciate those who deliberately misconstrue what you say and harass you..Do not let them either intimidate you or provoke you to wrath.

            Keep up the sound thinking and replies.

          • http://naver sook young

            Thank you, Lewis. My husband also supports me. I just don’t know who this person is trying to follow my husband and I around. I also see that some of his postings have disappearded. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • http://naver samurai

            Who are you referring to Marlene? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • 45caliber

          Kate:

          Our main relief for the liberal fears is that they actually fear weapons and those who might use them. They expect the military and the police to obey when they order them to go out and arrest everyone who disagrees with them and then kill them. However over 80% of the military and police have signed the Oath Keepers Pledge to not do so – and I believe them. The remaining 20% isn’t really a worry either since the rest would keep them in line. Further, we have our own guns – and we won’t be interested in being arrested and killed just because the libs fear us. They don’t believe what I just wrote because they CAN’T believe it and still continue their path to suicide. Obviously if one of them (Oblama at the moment) is in charge then everyone MUST do what he orders regardless of whether it is illegal or not. That’s how many people justified obeying Hitler’s orders.

    • Lewis Munn

      Homeboy,

      You very very definitely do not know what a Christian is.

      And what a Christian Nation would need to be.

      I will bet the Christian Democratic parties you believe pray every day and take communion monthly!

      The United States has been called a Christian Nation, but has not Christianity as a state religion, but does have most of the perversions of Christianity in it. Along with my other religions.

      Like the Holy Roman Empire, which was neither Roman nor Holy.

      You need to study lots more, maybe in a good fundamental theological school, and get your confusion over names and realities solved.

  • http://sgorms@yahoo.com Shar

    Ask B.O. about Larry Sinclair and while you are at it ask him about Donald Young. A young life cut short by what???? Chicago Thuggery??Chicago Scullduggery?? Chicago Mobsters?? Whatever – That young man is dead.

    • Kate8

      Shar – Someone with as much to hide as Obama is the perfect front man for the NWO crowd. Assurance that he won’t step out of line.

      • http://naver sook young

        I see we haven’t taken our psych meds today, have we? Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Lewis Munn

          Sook,

          Never been told I needed any of those medications! Guess I have gone to all the wrong doctors!

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry Lewis, but the response my wife gave was for a rolf that disappeared from the screen. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Bob

          When you say we, I assume you are referring to yourself.

          • http://naver samurai

            She’s talking about you, boob! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Lewis Munn

    samurai,

    You have a great wife there. Cherish her.

    • http://naver samurai

      I have for 25 years. She’s a blessing in many ways. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver samurai

        I know who you are and you really need to stop. Being a 38 year old man with a 20 year old maturity level doesn’t help you one bit. By the way, is your boyfriend good with you in that way? I heard that’s why you couldn’t keep a job. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://naver samurai

          Sorry dude, but it is kind of easy to tell who you “might” be, since you use the same sentence structure, words, phrases, idioms, etc. If you don’t like someone giving their opinion, fine. That’s all I’ve been doing with the sources to back them up. You, on the other hand, are just some misguided fool, who thinks trying to ambush someone is funny. Why don’t you read the posts we gave to marlene, bob, rolf, and you. Wait, but they are all the same person. If you use the points I’ve stated, its easy to find out. You’re name is Johnson? I think you just stepped on yourself on this one. Let’s keep up the good fight, fellow patriots! They should remember one thing, “WE WON!” End of story. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Remy

            It doesn’t matter who won, as long as it’s in the best interest of the country and it’s citizens. There is good and bad in every party.

  • Pedro A Delgado

    Homosexuals serving in the Military, a very serious problem.

    A much higher percentage percentage of homosexuals are HIV+ compared to the general population.

    The first thing that comes to mind is that in combat soldiers get wounded and if a wounded non-homosexual gets his blood mixed by simple contact with a homosexual HIV+, he will get to be HIV+ too.

    Situations like this are abundant in close quarters battle conditions.

  • Remy

    My goodness. The crap pile is getting deep around here.

  • Belinda Wallace

    For all that believe that homosexuality is O.K needs to remember that when you go down and donate blood that the first question they ask is “are you or have you been engaged in risky behaviors”, such as sexual intercourse unprotected; are you or have you ever been engaged in any type of homosexual act,prostitution, used dirty needles, or have you any tattoos etc.; all of which places you at risk for HIV. The medical profession’s opinion based on actual medical research and facts is good enough for me. And yes I would be concerned if a gay man is injured in combat and the chance of that person infecting HIV to other soldiers is something I would be worried about, and this is not what a soldier needs to be burdened with while in combat. I know the military test for this before hand, but that person is still engaging in risky behavior long after he joins and can contract HIV at any given time. This is not necessarily about someone’s sexual orientation only but about the health risks. I would not want homosexuals in the military because of the battle field. Exposure to blood is inevitable, soldiers are at a higher risk of diseases caught through the blood because of injuries during battle and STD’s from others in foreign countries that do not have tighter health restrictions. My husband served in the Military and it was his duty to take prisoners and soldiers that were in the brig to the doctor; most of which were seen for sexually transmitted diseases. If the medical profession says that homosexual acts is considered risky behavior for contracting HIV than I believe them over some liberal standing on their soap box or the ACLU or others protesting against the DADT policies; they all show their ignorance by saying it is OK to engage in homosexual acts. Ignorance is BLISS, isn’t it. And for those who think Christians are ignorant, well this Christians knows better. God said don’t do it, for a reason;it causes diseases, HIV. And yes,God has health laws also, and yes, I am glad that he gave some of us good sense to know right from wrong;that innate ability that some person above was talking about,that same ability to know not to go against nature, even his animals knows not to do this.These health laws were written to keep us healthy while in these flesh bodies and to keep the spread of diseases down. Keep in mind this isn’t about religion this is about staying healthy and not put others at risk as a result of their desire to be what ever they choose to be and engage in whatever risky behavior they choose do.

  • Belinda Wallace

    I guess the ACLU ran out of decent clients to fight for; now they have taken on a whole new breed of clients, in the last few years or so, those that are of the most deviant in nature. They will fight for the rights of criminals over the rights of their victims now as opposed to before; the rights of homosexuals over the rights of hetero sexuals in regard to marriage, and a better way of life, atheist rights over Christian rights to the point that they can no longer pray in public, and next but not least; they will probably start fighting for the rights of pedophiles and not their victims, the child’s rights. They choose to do this instead of fighting for the rights of decent people wanting a better way of life for their country; the majority. I guess they feel they have no rights. How can one organization like the ACLU and others like it be allowed to take away the rights of so many for the rights of a few, and even change our laws and our very constitution. What is going on here? It seems like these organizations such as mentioned has more power than congress. Everyone has rights but to take away rights of many for just a few is unfair and the scales of justice is off balance, I think. They did a good job for the civil rights movement and for woman’s rights and for the rights of the handicapped and so forth; but why now did they have a sudden change in venue so to speak? It seems as if they do this for their own needs and political gain more so than for someone’s rights. I hope I am not wrong in my thinking? What do you guys think about this?

  • Dave

    When I was in the Army in 1969 – 1971, we had a gay man in our company. We all knew he was gay. He did his job as well as anyone else. He didn’t bother anyone. We didn’t hassle him. He was all right. That he was gay simply did not matter.

    • http://naver samurai

      Too much kool aid! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    I don’t like being judgmental. Whether or not he’s Christian is between God and BHO. However, there are questions to be raised here. Would a true Christian POTUS be so against our ally Israel?? Would a true Christian POTUS take sides with the panthiests?? For all you drones and naïve liberals: Panthiests are those who worship nature as an idol instead of God, and the word Pantheists is used by some people who think my words ‘environmentalist wackos’ are too harsh. Would a true Christian POTUS be so pro-abortion?? Would a true Christian be so pro-LGBT rights, and want to have politically correct czars, etc. to try to force even kids to accept the militant LGBT agenda?? We also see the left opposing our right to teach kids right from wrong. Why not instead support bringing back school prayer?? And don’t forget ‘hate crime laws’!! This (Christian??) POTUS signed these laws infringing on our 1st amendment right to free speech and worship!! And of course many democraps may cite Jesus’ compassion for the poor and contempt for the rich, and distort the gospel for their socialist agenda. 1st, although the Bible condemns those who worship money instead of God, there is nothing wrong with being wealthy per se, or earning rewards for being productive achievers. And although some people abuse the system, there is no reason to believe that the Bible is against capitalism. As always, we know the democraps are phony hypocrites who are often filthy rich, cheated on their taxes and earned millions via fraud (e.g., AlGore and Barney Frank). And we know how stingy Democraps such as Joe Biden are with their own money going to charity.

    There’s more to it than hypocrisy on part of the filthy rich democraps. They encourage us to envy anyone who has a dollar more than us, despite the fact that we are told: Thou shall not covet. And while we know that a safety net is proper to help those who are in true need and cannot help themselves. However, I’ve also been taught that according to the Bible, the able-bodied who CAN work MUST work, or they should not eat. Remember that the safety net is only a small fraction of the trillions spent on wealth redistribution over the past several decades. Most of this money was confiscated from producers to give to non-productive drones and moochers. Would a true Christian POTUS ignore the Bible on this?? I’ve also been taught that the Bible tells us not to be in debt. Well, BHO has put this nation deeper into debt than any past POTUS!! Would a true Christian POTUS put us trillions into unsustainable debt?? Anybody who truly believes BHO is Christian must be dillusional!!

  • Micheal

    Barack Obama is an Christian,he know that Lord is Jesus Christ,i think Obama have some lobby from Hes Terrorist Satanic Islamic family,so Barack Obama in 2008 i have vote for you but in 2012 a will vote for Ron Paul because he is not a Traitor American,he is a serious politician and he is too Christian,Barack Obama with yours stupid Interview you will lose the election in 2012 because in some interview you say a bad things for American people and Christians you say America need for Satan and you say i am a muslim(satanic terrorist),if you are not Proud to be American you can go in your home Afghanistan and you can candidate for the president of Satanism Terrorist Criminals Islamic Afghanistan .Ron Paul for president Now.

  • Micheal

    True religion of God,Christianity is =Peace,Love,Bless,Harmony,Tolerance,Parades.Jesus Christ is the lord the true and the life,people that are Christian they have the bless of Lord,and they spirit after they dead goes in Parades to the Lord Jesus Christ.
    In US are welcome all people from around the world,but Not Satanic Terrorist Criminals Islamic people.America don’t need for Terrorist,but for a good people for a peace people.

    Sect of Hell Islam is = Terrorism,Satanism,Crime,Murder,war,Jihad,Isolation,Violence,Kamikaze,Psycho,book of Crime Quran calling for Terrorism calling for Jihad to kill Black people,to kill Non-Satanic Terrorist Islamic people.
    Go converts to Christianity all satanic Terrorist Islamic people in US or go Home.

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