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Chicago Tries Another Tack In Its Battle Against The 2nd Amendment

July 9, 2010 by  

Chicago Tries Another Tack In Its Battle Against The 2nd Amendment

Four days after the United States Supreme Court overturned a Chicago handgun ban as unconstitutional, city aldermen passed another ordinance that bans gun shops from the city and makes it a crime for a gun owner to step outside his home—even onto his porch or into his garage—with a handgun.

Several people and at least one organization have already sued the city in Federal court seeking to have the new ordinance declared null and void, according to The Washington Examiner.

The Eric Holder Justice Department ripped Arizona’s immigration law within days of its passage, saying the law stepped into the jurisdiction of the Federal government. On Tuesday the Federal government filed suit against Arizona over the law.

The Supreme Court’s ruling in the Chicago handgun ban made it clear that cities and states could not infringe on the right of Americans to keep and bear arms—essentially making gun laws a Federal issue. I’m sure that, since Holder is so concerned with keeping Federal authority where it belongs he’ll soon be joining the suit against the city of Chicago.

When will we see your department file that lawsuit, Mr. Holder?

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Anthony

    While it is certainly “no shock & awe” that Chicago (as well as others?) immediately fired a voley back at SCOTUS so quickly over the 2nd Amendment, I mean (after all) there have been ongoing, never-dying, simply-won’t-go-away type lawsuits on this issue for practically my entire lifetime (circa 1954).

    what I am shock & awed about is how little depth on the overall subject was included in this Article. Mr. Bob Livingston, WHAT were you thinking of? Of all the potential discussions to have on your website, anything directly related to the Bill of Rights, should ALWAYS have a considerable amount of depth (history, in this case) included in the posting of said Article. You should be ashamed, sir!

    I’ll elaborate just a little.. mostly from memory…

    During my lifetime, and in reading in both american and british, not to mention GERMAN newspapers, especially (if memory serves me right) during the 1970′s … I seem to recall hearing about no less than FIVE (5) different Court Cases pushing for the ERADICATION of the 2nd Amendment.

    The Reason? – The claim that owning a fireman of “any kind” should be considered an exercise of anarchy. I mean, after all, how is a Government to rule …. (notice I do not say “Lead”) …. a people if they have firearms with which to destroy and tear down said Ruling Body (??)

    Oh, they also cite all sorts of crime statistics … I mean, seriously, we ARE talking about a John Marshall/Alexander Hamilton Court (and society).

    One must always remember – it was Thomas Jefferson who spoke about the “in-alien-able” rights of man. That was never any of the Hamilton Followers.

    Jefferson was for the common man
    Hamilton was for Prince John of Nottingham

    While the book Robin Hood was fiction … I think you see what I’m leaning towards.

    As we all know and do, you can (and probably should) google/yahoo/BING, whatever…. search up on the web about these other Court Cases.

    What I do remember distinctly, is that a LOT of taxpayer dollars have been handed over to some very very tyrannical Lawyers with very snooty attitudes about “people on the street” when it comes to this topic. And, by that, you should understand, that once one of these lawsuits gets submitted, it becomes a cash cow for those Lawyers and that Organization they are representing in the process…. as these Court Cases don’t just come up and then get decided and suddenly go away…. THEY LINGER… THEY HANG AROUND…. they get extended over rules and procedures…. and they simply do not go away…. EVER!

    The Hamiltonian types of America – with us since the very beginning (think of it as Day One) – are all about re-creating another Monarchy, an extension of the King of England and his subcommander, Prince John of Nottingham. They would prefer a Dictatorship.. like GW said, a ‘benevolent’ one would be much better than what we have now. The problem with that, is you can plainly and strikingly see…. how “indoctrinated” GW Bush became with the Neitzschie-training he received at the Chicago law University, where that logic is the mainstay of collegiate scholastics. Bush graduated from there. Obama was a part-time Professor there. kaga was also affiliated with that School. Seeing a pattern here? I think someone should check and see how many more of these Chicago law University types have been shoved at us over the last ecade or two.

    As I stated earlier, I do remember there being at least five separate cases in different courts being processed alll at the same time, hoping to disarm the whole Country, under false premise.

    And, what’s more? Britain and Australia have already given their said right, away by electing such egomaniacal leadership in their own Countries. Always cherish what you wish for, eh?

    After all, if you weren’t wishing for it, why did you vote for those people? Oh sure, it had to be something to do with the Press… But, let’s look at it this way. We’ve had the Internet since (what) at least 1997, since I remember having access to Netscape Navigator/Messenger back around that time. Therefore, WE ALL have had access to researching what we need to fight back against the Oligarchs for OVER A DECADE. It is our own fault for not paying attention when and where we should have. We let ourselves be distracted by TV, Sports, etc.,etc. Which is exactly what they had planned all along. Victor Davis Hansen has a great paper out discussing that very plan. WE FELL FOR IT.

    So – what about it, Mr Bob Livingston? You want to add a comment or two about the missing paragraphs in this Article of yours?

    • Anthony

      Wrote: kaga was also affiliated with that School.

      Meant to say: Elena KAGAN

      • ashforkdan arizona

        I LIKE KAKA BETER

    • DaveH

      Bob Livingston has provided a forum for us, the regular people who don’t have the time or knowledge or financial resources to create our own, Anthony. Please respect that and refrain from dissing Bob because his articles sometimes don’t meet your very high standards.

      • libertytrain

        DaveH – thank you – You said so well what I imagine many of us enjoying this site were thinking about that fairly classless comment.

      • Anthony

        DaveH – I’m fairly certain Mr. Livingston took my complaint in the appropriate light it was meant to be in. As I’ve seen Mr. Livingston comment on here at any time towards many a poster for all sorts of reasons. Yet, he has chosen to not chastise me nor ban me from making comment. I’m fairly certain Bob Livingston doesn’t need anyone to carry his water for him. I am somewhat surprised that after your comment he “hasn’t” logged a thought or two as to my so-called ‘classless’ rhetoric. Overall, it could be that Mr. Livingston just didn’t have time to add more intel to the Article, or he simply wasn’t out to do anything more than what he already has. For my part, I was surprised he included no real dissertation to the facts at hand.

        Thank you, Gentlemen

        • Claire

          The reason a dog has so many friends is because he wags his tail instead of his tongue. Food for thought. Since I have such a fondness for dogs, naturally I would post this.

  • s c

    Watcha hiding from the American people, Chicago? If you don’t understand it yet, people, the criminals of Chicago and Washington are telling us that the Constitution is a piece of crap, and only ‘God’s own’ politicians can make decisions. Chicago is a cess pool of crime, and it’s wrapped in layers of filth.
    Don’t hold your breath waiting for yahoos like Holder to do the right thing. Holder and most career elected criminals in Washington are following orders. They’re paid to say this and do that. The law is OK with them as long as they get what they want. When they don’t get what they want (or should I say when their masters aren’t pleased?), they’re required to respond like Pavlov’s dog(s).
    Grow a pair, Chicago (and Washington). Take hormones. Take supplements. Grow a brain. Do what you have to do to keep a short leash on those damned dogs. Aren’t you tired of being victimized in your own country by people who aren’t fit to clean toilets?

    • JC

      Man! These Criminal Politician’s sure are afraid of the American people aren’t they?

      • Norman

        This entire Obama regime, a communist/socialist dictatorship, is just like a horce race. You NEVER bet on losers, and that is what the democratic party has become.

        • Claire

          Norman–As far as I am concerned you can apply your statement to both parties. There are losers on both sides.

          • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/ DonJ

            You are right Claire, both parties are corrupt, two wings same bird. But Ron Paul is also right, a third party would divide the vote. It makes sense to me to vote issues not party. The man with the right answer to the issue gets elected regardless of his party. It shouldn’t take long to get both parties on the side of what the people want.

            Would someone comment on this please, I want to know if I’m on the right path.

          • Claire

            DonJ–Yes, voting for a third party would no doubt divide the vote. It usually does. And I think this is sad, because the Democrats and the Republicans need to be taught a lesson–big time. But this is not the time to do it. Yes, it is fair to say that we should vote for the person that has the right answers, but will they stand by their word if elected? I don’t put much faith in what Democrats and Republicans have to say anymore. I am rather tired of listening to them bash the other party and none of them have any answers to the problems at hand themselves! I don’t hear very many of them say what THEY would DO to solve America’s problems. They are too busy bitching about each other and stumping for their cronies. I want a true conservative, someone I can trust–then I will vote for that person.

          • independant thinker

            DonJ, Claire……………..”It makes sense to me to vote issues not party.”

            That is the only way to vote. I always vote for the candidate/issues not the party. Unfortunately there are too many fools out there who can not see past party symbol. I don’t know how many times I have some variation of this quote “My daddy was a democrat I have always voted democrat and I ain’t gonna change now”.I am sure you would hear the same in republican strongholds. Everyone should look at the candidate, their remarks on issues, and most important their voting record then decide who best represents their position on issues and vote for that person.

            As far as third partys are concerned for a third party to be successful it needs to start localy building a base and move up to the state and national level as it gains strength.

          • DaveH

            Please stop with that split the vote hysteria. The Marxists/Socialists/Progressives didn’t achieve their goals overnight. They slowly infiltrated the MSM, and slowly propagandized our children over the decades to reach the point of influence they now have. Things rarely change overnight, but it is a fact if we don’t start working for the changes now, they will not happen.
            The Libertarian Party has a platform that would attract people from both Major Parties. For those in the Democrat Party who don’t believe in redistribution of the wealth (and there are many), we offer Freedom from Republican control over our sex lives and personal choices. For those in the Republican Party who don’t believe in making peoples’ personal choices (victimless crimes) we offer the kind of personal responsibility that respects peoples’ ownership of their money and property and doesn’t make them unwilling contributors to those who won’t make the effort to take care of themselves.
            We have the most Principled approach to Freedom that a Political Party can offer. We don’t force our pet lifestyles on others or deprive them of their hard earned money. We expect individuals to observe the Commandment “Thou shalt not Steal” whether they are in Government or not. We expect individuals to observe the Commandment “Thou shalt not Kill” (except in self-defense) whether they are in Government or not.
            If you agree with our ideals, then we need to start right now to build our Party or you can kiss your freedoms goodbye for good because we are at the edge right now and the Republicans aren’t going to save us. Ever! Please quit Splitting the Vote away from the only Party that truly believes in Freedom!
            http://libertarianparty.org/platform

          • Lewis Munn

            I agree; the Demopublican party is like a two-headed hydra.

            This is why people should consider the 3rd parties for their vote, and deprive the hydra of nourishment. Both heads bite.

            IF an independent 3rd party of openness and honesty and love for America as she can be and should be could be developed, we may have a chance. Tho I expect a ban on parties other than the DemoPublicans soon; they will take no chances,

      • Claire

        JC–You know the Chicago machine will fight this tooth and toenail. The corruption in Chicago will never stop. Those Chicago politicians will always be in charge, the names may change from time to time but it will remain the same mobster scenario. Even the Republicans that are running for office lie like persian rugs. None of them know what the word “truth” means. Heck, there are times I wish my son would run for office, but if he got elected, they would put a pair of cement shoes on him. My son is too honest, and he certainly wouldn’t “fit in” with that crowd. Besides, he would be a loner. Chicago isn’t used to having honest people in office.

        • slickporsche

          Now do you not think that the time is now to take the country back from the politicians with brute force. We need a revolution. Guns, bullets, artillary, whatever. This is the only way to preserve the republic we call the United States Of America. Any other way is just like a fairey tail.

          • Claire

            Revolution? No. There would probably be bloodshed of innocent people. People that would not want to be part of a revolution. This is not the answer. At this time and regarding the issues at hand, the best answer is to vote them out, get rid of the corruption (somehow), and if the politicians that are elected do not do what they are elected to do and conduct themselves accordingly, then they must be held accountable. They would have to stand before a judge and jury if the wrongdoing warranted it. Look at all the politicians that have shady lives, and bring it into the White House and Congress. Look at the abuse of power and privileges. The problem is that they pass the legislation. What politician is going to sign legislation that will hold them to be accountable? How many would sign a law that would automatically “fire” them if they commit wrongdoing? How many would sign any legislation that would put them in jeopardy of possibly losing their position? I think it is time for Americans to stand up and DEMAND that these politicians be accountable. We can do it, we would have to unite, put party affiliations aside, and proceed en masse. It is up to us as Americans to end these political shams and game-playing antics. Both parties are guilty of this.

        • independant thinker

          I am beginning to think this guy “slickporsche” is a plant trying to start something. Notice how almost all if not all of his posts call for a violent means to solve the problem.

        • JC

          Yes, Claire they will. Fortunately though the legal challenges have already started backed by the NRA. So who knows? They’ve done pretty well so far.

      • ashforkdan arizona

        with the highest gun sales in history the should be if the people carried like arizona there wouldnt be as many corrupt lawers or politicians it is our god given right not the governments permision to carry last time i looked we still had a bill of rights

        • DaveH

          Ashfork,
          The major problem we have is that people are under the illusion that Government people will make the effort to care for them when they do not care enough about themselves to make that effort. It simply isn’t reality to expect somebody else to care more about us than we care about ourselves. Leaders are primary focused on one thing – how can they make their own lives better. Anything they say contrary to that is most likely just being said to fool the public so they can retain their power. Not all politicians are completely self-centered, but most are.

    • Wolflar45acp

      Living here in Chicago has taught me some things I never wanted to learn!
      One is people can be made to believe anything if you tell them the same story for long enough. Even that an inanimate object like a gun is evil and just owning one will make you harm or kill a family member. this is just one the tells being told to the people here in Chicago just one of many. I have often wondered how a man could be told that he is somehow wrong to protect what is his how could he be convinced he was wrong to protect the people he is supposed to love. but lets be real its not just Chicago its the whole state of Illinois or should I say the majority of the people in Illinois are cowards its as simple as that!!!There are still people here who believe you can take a Glock pistol thru a metal detector so good is the media is at fooling the people here or is it you can tell a dumb ass anything?

  • k gersch

    i have never seen such a bunch of liars and crap artists on one website. the republicans and their heroes brought our country to the edge. thanks to an intelligent young man named obama, he may yet save your sorry souls.

    • blamesomeoneelse

      k are you muslim or just on the Obama payroll?

      • Pat

        Muslim? Here we go with name calling because of ignorance. I am ashamed to say that once was prejudice against Muslims. That was until I met and got to know a Muslim family, who are wonderful people. It would be like some of the people who hate Catholics because of a few bad priests.

        Getting to the point of handguns. The City did not create a NEW ordinance banning guns from one’s porch, garage, etc. It has always been a law to a your gun inside one’s home. Also, the City already requires that all guns be registered. Once your gun is registered the City knows you have a gun and can take it from you. I know this to be true because the City confiscated my gun without cause. I was in the hospital when my cousin gave the gun to the police, upon their request. There was no legal reason or authorization for the police to take the gun. Once a police officer illegally takes your gun (theft)- you never get it back.

        • MP

          This is the reason why you should NEVER EVER EVER register a weapon. The criminals don’t, why should you have to. See New Orleans for example – the little piggies on the politico’s orders decided that normal Americans ( read as law abiding)cannot and did NOT deserve to protect themselves from the THUGS (piggies and regular criminals) that did NOT have to give up their weapons. Talk about a double standard.

          This county is deep deep trouble if we see more of these “Chicago” style laws come into existence….not that I am advocating violence but the easiest way to get back your rights in Chicago or anyplace else is to vote (not what I really mean ;) ) them all out of office and elect only those who will actually FIGHT crime and NOT against any American who wants to carry a weapon that is NOT commiting a crime.

          Just think of it…walking into a bank with 6 other customers all ready there all carrying weapons…in walks the bad guy …OOPPPSSS…. out numbered here, as he thinks to himself…and quietly exits the building…

          A Switzerland… here in America….oh how nice!!! hint: the Swiss have not been invaded for centuries….and it was the American in Baltimore and New Orleans who turned back the Brits in the second revolution of the US. (war of 1812)……

          • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/ DonJ

            That’s right, the Swiss give the soldiers gun to the soldier when his military enlistment is over. It’s his duty to keep the rifle clean and safe. We should all have guns in our homes for self preservation. Follow the Swiss, protect our 2nd Amendment.

          • JC

            Don’t register and keep, some back ups hidden off your property as well.

        • Lewis Munn

          Pat,

          You obviously underestimate the power of religion, especially in the hands of a dictatorship and when you are indoctrinated in it all your life!

          Yes, many Muslims are good people to their friends, as long as you do not push them past their religious barrier, or get their religious authorities angry with you.

          I have a Muslim friend, but she would kill me if her religious leaders said to.

          You are thinking of the pseudoChristians over here, whose religion is fashionable, not heart belief, and do not realize what committed religion will do! We occasionally see religious fanatics over here do evil things; Islam is more so even.

          Read their Book, the Qur’an which they must know and read over and over. Read what they must do to YOU as an unbeliever! It is frightening. Compare it to the Biblical instructions on Christianity, not to be confused with the Jewish faith or other non-Christian faiths mentioned in the Bible.

          And remember, their government believes and lives by this book, and they will follow when their government calls.

    • TRS

      Based on your remarks, people like you are just a little scary! If given your way of thinking, our great nation would cease to exist. As for obama, this character will soon be a one termer…book it!

      • slickporsche

        Scary because we want to have guns to protect ourselves from criminals whether it be the lone robber or the decietful government?

      • Lewis Munn

        TRS, do not count on it. In two years he and his crew can easily change the Constitution to allow him unlimited powers and term of office. Like Muslim leaders have in other countries!

        Or order all but his own troops overseas, just run Congress out and execute the protesters with his personal troops over here, and take over.

        Our untrained, unarmed, and indoctrinated in blind obedience sheeple will be no obstacle. Remember, the Government has the nukes, and a dictator arising will not hesitate to use them as needed.

        We are very unlike Switzerland; they have the right ideas and a very peaceful country! And hard to take over. Shows our anti-gun lugnuts are dead wrong!!

    • JC

      And lead us all to Allah chanting yes we can yes we can…
      The Kenyan is a complete perversion of all things American.

    • Born Conservative

      YOU.. have just utter what is commonly referred to as: BLIND PATRIOTISM.

      ‘Course, the rest of us realize this is nothing more than BAIT conversation.

      YOU SHOULD, however, learn for yourself that the Left/Right Paradigm of Repubs versus Dems, is false chatter, meant to do only one thing and that’s DISTRACT the masses away from what’s really going on.

      1. Have you read “any” of Obama’s Executive Orders?
      2. Can you point out where Obama has “reversed any of Bush’s Actions”..?

      I suggest you pull yourself (ahem) …together and WAKE UP

    • DaveH

      It’s too late to save your soul, K. Gersch, it’s already been sold. And Obama owns it.

      • slickporsche

        No man on earth owns my soul. Only in his mind maybe. Obama is not heavenly enough to own anyone’s soul.Well maybe not he does have a powerful ally. Dial 1 800 6666 to learn more about Obama and the Dems.

    • Wolflar45acp

      You sir are nut case!!!!!!!

  • k gersch

    i have never seen such a bunch of liars and crap artists rascists too on one website. the republicans and their heroes brought our country to the edge. thanks to an intelligent young man named obama, he may yet save your sorry souls.

    • CJ

      Well, K… if you find another site, and take your kind with you, this one would be gleaming clean. Your unfounded attacks show the true nature of your kind attacking with false claims and never offering any kind of solution. All you know how to do is tear down. Good luck winning any support with that hateful personality.

    • Gary

      K gersch,
      It is brain dead drones like you who have your nose so far up Obama’s butt you can’t see anything but cheeks. How can anyone be so blind that they cannot see where the country is headed. How can anyone be so stupid as to believe all the lies from this administration. How can anyone be so obtuse as to think what they are doing is good for America. On our present course the country is doomed. As for sorry souls, speak for yourself. Obama may be your savior but he will be the ruin of this country unless we stop him and his mindless followers. May God bless America.

    • Chiefatk

      Pull your head out of your ass and look around. You must be blind to not see what is happening to this country. Your leader Obummer is hell bent on destroying it, not saving it. He isn’t about to save anything not related to the muslum community. Have you ever served in the military? I think not and speaking of racists, you seem to be as racist as anyone and you are probably a muslum. Get off your welfare butt and go to work. You seem to be very happy with the Obummer welfare agenda so I can assume you are dependant on it.

      • Harold Olsen

        He sees it. He just doesn’t care. Like his fuhrer he hates America and wishes only bad thing for it. He’s just a blind sheep blindly following Obama. Back in the sixties we had a saying:
        “America. Love it or leave it.” I wish all the America-haters in this country would take that advice because, as far as I’m concerned, they’re not want nor welcome here.

        • slickporsche

          Im with you all the way Harold

    • Wlmitch1

      All right, k, back to your Reichstag, now.

    • Lynn

      those statements are more than ridiculous, they are ludicrous. Have you ever heard the statement “never come to a battle of wits unarmed”? well maybe you should go back and get armed before saying the things you have.

    • Vicki

      We really must learn to ignore trolls. even pointing out that the comments were bald assertions with no merit and no content is a waste of time. /wave at K Gersch. Nice troll. Don’t you have a bridge to go hide under?

      • JeffH

        Vicki, an all to common occurance…I just hope they’re paid above the minimum wage

    • slickporsche

      When did they let you out on the streets? You need to go back inside,before you die of lead poisoning. Also better watch it crossing the street.

    • http://??????? Stephen Browning

      BS, he is trying to have the government take control of everything. If you can’t see what is going on, there should be an eye doctor near where you live.

    • ashforkdan arizona

      praise allahoboma he is trying to take this county down from within he sir is a radical islamic terrorist like his brothers before him that killed 5000 citizens on 911 what do you think hes doing that is for the good of all citizens bankrupting the nation is good change is not good if the people are suffering from this lunatic hope is for the people not to see him for what he really is if you like socializem than please go to the country of your choice but leave ours alone

  • M.L.

    THESE SORRY SOULS ARE GOING TO SAVE YOUR ASS IN THE END.MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. APPARENTLY YOU WANT TO SIT BACK AND BE ONE OF LAZY PEOPLE THAT WANT SOMEONES ELSES WEALTH TO TAKE CARE OF YOU, THE GOVERMENT TO DICTATE YOUR EVERY MOVE, BE TOLD WHAT TO EAT, WHERE TO LIVE,BE STRIPPED OF ANY PROTECTION, AND LEAN ON THE GOVERNMENT FOR EVERY MOVE YOU MAKE. IF OBOMA LEAVES THE COUNTRY WITH HIS TAIL BETWEEN HIS LEGS, I HOPE PEOPLE LIKE YOU FOLLOW HIM.

  • Sherry Hauner

    Save our sorry souls? By letting us get murdered in our own home, garage, property, by those bent on doing us harm. If you think that Obama and his administrstion doesn’t know that guns will never be taken out of the hands of gangs, black market, drug dealers,mafia, terrorists, think again. I personally care more about myself and my family, than to not try and protect them if it ever comes down to it. Think again about his agenda here, read, read, read, and save your sorry soul.

    • slickporsche

      I am not sure Sherry, but you may have missed the point or maybe I did. Those in government know that if they want to take control of America, they need to disarm us and all these other issues are nothing more than distactions to take you mind away from what is really going on here. That is to disarm all Americans. You also need to ask yourself about the Fema camps,UN vehicls and soldiers,and the black panthers. Something is being done behind our backs and we need to do the same behind their backs. Are you ready to become a revolutionary soldier??

  • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

    It is our civic duty to own firearms to prevent tyranny. I was born in 1949 and did not own a firearm until Nov 8, 2008. Why did I wait until then? My excuse was that I did not hunt and saw no need to own one. Until a totalitarian socialist was elected. Then out of a call to duty I purchased three (legally.) I am currently stockpiling ammunition for those weapons and considering buying a fully automatic machine gun in preparation for the coming confrontation with the gestapo.

    • Born Conservative

      No offense here .. especially since you and I are of the same mind when it comes to real (not blind) patriotism…

      But, you should have been looking into buying a weapon to defend yourself with, when George Herbert Walker Bush gave that speech on the New World Order.

    • Vicki

      I started back when Clinton’s regime murdered a group of Christians in Texas. Oh and never tell people how many you have.

      • independant thinker

        Don’t know if I would call them Christians but it was definately murder. A couple of years ago I saw a movie on the Documentary channel that proved almost everything the feds said about Waco was a lie.

    • slickporsche

      No no! You cannot register a gun!!!!! You must find another way to obtain it and the ammo. It is going to cause you grief. The word STEALTH prevails here, and it is right up there with secrecy.

  • http://N/A Winfield

    That stupid law that the city of Chicago enacted will only benefit the criminals; they don’t care squat about any gun laws being broken and the law abiding citizens will be left unprotected from criminals without their mode of protection; the gun.

    • DaveH

      They are simply trying to protect their fellow criminals from the citizens.

      • slickporsche

        That is a very “simple” analogy Dave. It is much more lowdown than that. Do keep some powder dry and those unregister guns well oiled and ready.

  • RivahMitch

    Actually, Ayn Rand put her finger on the logic behind the sort of malicious legislation the Chicagoons are pursuing in Atlas Shrugged. If the government creates laws under which everyone is guilty of something then by using selective prosecution it gains total power.

    Like a Boy Scout… Be Prepared!

    • DaveH

      Excellent point, Mitch. Thank you for bringing that up.

    • JeffH

      RivahMitch, now you’ve hit a nerve with the liberal…they despise anything Ayn Rand and you can bet the parrots will be screaming for your head. Nice though..

      • RivahMitch

        Am I supposed to give a sh*t what any lib thinks? Sorry…

  • Fredrick R Smith

    To k gersch:
    I try to read as much as I can on both sides of an issue, with an open mind. But first you must be at least a little educated in the founding of our nation, and why the Bill of Rights (that also apply to you) and the US Constitution is so important to protecting you.
    You speak of liars and crap artists “intelligent young man named obama” sic,. Do you know how to read, can you hear, are you an American? What part of the Constitution do you not understand? Have you not read history? Are you not aware of how Hitler, and other dictators, were able to take over a country and imprison and murder their countrymen? It is almost unbeleiveable that a citizen of the United States can make ignorant statememts such as you have just made. Maybe people with opinions and ignorance such as yours should get a government that takes from the working individual and give to the non-working individual. Are you aware of how much money this government gives to an illegal person in our country who does not work, and how much money a citizen of this country can get if he is down on his luck, without a job trying to feed his family. Are you saying that illegal people should be treated as kings and Americans should be treated like [word removed]? Are you saying that the government knows better than you on how to take care of your family? Are you saying that it’s OK for a raciest organization such as the Black Panthers can stand at a voting place and intimidate voters, even when people such as you are voting for this “intelligent young man named obama” sic.? How do they know who you are voting for? Did you tell them? Are you saying that when the Federal government who Constitutionly are required to protect the citizens of the United States by securing our borders from ALL illegal persons entering our country, do not do that job, that and individual or State does not have the right to protect theirselvises? Are you saying that anyone in the world can be the President of our United States wheather they are a citizen of the US or not? Being a citizen of our country is more than just being born here, or becoming naturalized. It’s protecting our country in small ways, such as reporting crimes that you see happening, and making sure that all of YOUR rights are protected, and all of YOUR neighbors, of any color, rights are protected, and making sure that all citizens rights are secure from all enemies within or without of the borders of YOUR country. Are you an American that beleives you have duties as an American citizen or are you an American in name only? At what point in time does this current administration start to be responsible for their actions, instead of blaming Bush or the stars, or the boogie man? Do we have to wait for 3 years, 10 years, or 20 years? Who’s fault is it that the Gulf is still spewing oil? Who’s in charge? Can’t be Osbama, he’s to intellegent to let the spill continue, or let the citizens get sick from the junk being put into the gulf to hide the oil, or let the media cover the great work being performed down there by BP and our government. Why weren’t other countries alowed to help with their technologies to help with this oil spill? Can’t be obama, he’s to intelegent. sic. I don’t know how this country has survived for over 200 years without such an intelegent person. Someone has their head in the sand, and loves being an idiot. Could it be YOU?

    • Marilyn

      THANK YOU! I could not agree more. Some are blinded with the pretty words and the wonderful play money coming to help them. What a pity.

    • http://GOOGLE JHSUNBUM

      FRED – DON’T WASTE YOUR TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE LIKE KGERSCH OF ANY THING THAT MAKES SENSE. HISTORY OR THE TRUTH WILL ONLY CONFUSE HIM.

  • Marilyn

    Take the Chicago nitwits to court again. Where is Mrs. Olerary’s cow?

  • Harold Olsen

    This new bill that Chicago has passed shows just how corrupt Boss Daley is. You can’t buy a gun in Chicago but have to go elsewhere to get one and can not take your gun out of your house and must get certified at an approved shooting range in order to be allowed to own one. That doesn’t sound too bad on the surface, does it? Well, take another look. You buy the gun and are on your way home with it, you are violating the law because you have it outside of your home. In order to go to a shooting range, you have to take the gun out of your home. Well, that’s illegal. Since you can’t take the gun out of your home in order to get to a range to get certified you can’t own it. In effect, Boss Daley is saying to the Supreme Court “f*** you!” One way or another Boss Daley is going to prevent people in Chicago from owning guns. And if you think Holder or anyone else in the Obama regime are going to side with the people filing a law suit against the city, well, think again. They don’t want citizens to be able to defend themselves either.

    • independant thinker

      Every gun shop in Illinois and every gun manufacturer in the US should refuse to do business with Chicago. If the common law abiding citizen does not need guns for protection then neither does the police.

  • Herbert Surman

    Typical of the gun control crowd. They pander to those who don’t know any better, by saying “Look, we’re banning guns to make our streets safer for you!” while all the while, the wrong people continue to have guns. Yeah! That’s right, the guns they’re banning, are those obtained legally, and owned by responsible, law abiding citizens.

  • Michae Paul

    The ignorance of people like G are America’s biggest problem. They do not understand that the Constitution is what makes us great and free. Government is to help us achieve these goals at our will and consent but we now have a government that is reaching past our consent.

  • DaveH

    Amazing. The Politicians want to pass a plethora of laws expecting the citizens to obey them, and yet they ignore the main law of the land.

    • DaveH

      And the city council passed the new law (flaunting the Supreme Court ruling) with a margin of 45-0. How many times have you seen a group of 45 people agree on anything? And on top of that, agreeing to ignore the Supreme Court and the Constitution. Tell me there wasn’t dirty politics at play there (The Chicago Way). These people are no better than criminals themselves.

  • DaveH
  • http://GOOGLE JHSUNBUM

    I AM RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT

    THIS IS MY PLATFORM

    1 BRING ALL OUR TROOPS HOME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD THIS WILL SAVE US BILLIONS EACH YEAR. IF THESE OTHER COUNTRIES NEED PROTECTION – LET THEM PAY FOR IT. WE CAN RENT THEM A VOLUNTEER ARMY; IF IT WANTS TO GO THERE. IT WOULD BE RUN BY OUR OFFICERS, WITH NO INTERFERENCE, FROM OUR POLITICIANS; THIS WAY THEY HAVE A CHANCE OF WINNING.

    2 SOME OF THE TROOPS THAT RETURN WILL BE PUT ON OUR BOARDERS
    THIS WILL NOT COST US ONE RED CENT. WE ARE PAYING THESE SAME GUYS TO WATCH THE BOARDERS IN EUROPE, AND THE REST OF THE WORLD. LET THEM WATCH THEIR OWN COUNTRIES; REMEMBER, THEY DON’T LIKE US.

    3 I WILL STOP ALL FOREIGN AID. WHAT THE HELL ! THESE COUNTRIES DON’T LIKE LIKE US – RIGHT! THE DEMOCRATS CLAIM THESE COUNTRIES HATE US BUT LOVE OBAMA; LETS SEND HIM ! THIS WILL SOLVE SEVERAL PROBLEMS; OBAMA FOR ONE, IT WILL SAVE US 100′S OF BILLIONS, GIVE US MONEY TO HELP PAY OFF QBAMAS DEBT WITH CHINA WITHOUT NEW TAXES, HELP SAVE THE ECONOMY, GET RID OF OBAMA, AND MAKE EUROPE HAPPY. ALL THIS
    IN ONE FULL SWEEP – OR IS IT FELL SWOOP?

    4 THE ECONOMY ? WHAT A MESS !! THE ONLY WAY WE CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM IS FOR ALL AMERICANS TO GET OFF YOUR LAZY BUTS; AND GET TO WORK. THIS INCLUDES ALL THESE COMMIE SOCIALIST WHO THINK THE GOV. SHOULD TAKE CARE US. ( MAN-WHAT BUNCH OF DUMB LAZY PEOPLE ) LETS DO AWAY WITH THE UNIONS AND SET UP A NEW & FAIR SYSTEM . A SYSTEM THAT IS FAIR TO ALL., OWNERS, WORKERS, STOCK HOLDERS, & ANY THING INVOLVED WITH THE COMPANY; INCLUDING EXPANSION OF THE COMPANY ITSELF.
    I BELIEVE A SYSTEM BASED ON PERCENTAGES COULD BE ARRANGED THAT WOULD GUARANTEE FAIR COMPENSATION TO ALL, WITH NO CROOKED UNION OR DUES INVOLVED. THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF THOUGHT BY A GREAT MANY SMART HONEST PEOPLE; THIS MEANS NO GOVERNMENT OR POLITICIANS INVOLVED CONTACTS WOULD BE DRAWN UP BY THE THOSE INVOLVED. IF THE CONTRACT IS NOT FAIR TO ALL, I GUARANTEE; THE COMPANY WILL HAVE TROUBLE. GREED WILL DESTROY IT, REMEMBER – ONLY A CONTRACT, FAIR TO ALL INVOLVED, IS A GOOD CONTRACT.

    5 AFTER A FAIR CAPITALIST SYSTEM IS SET UP, AND EVERY ONE IS GETTING A GOOD BIGHT OF THE APPLE; WE CAN BRING MANUFACTURING BACK TO THIS COUNTRY. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THE U S CAN RETURN TO A STRONG INDEPENDENT WORLD POWER.

    6 IT’S BAFFLING! PEOPLE WILL SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO GET A JOB THAT ONLY PAYS $170,000. PER YEAR. THEY CLAIM THEY DO IT BECAUSE
    ” I WANT TO DO MY CIVIC DUTY ” – ” I CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE” – WHAT THE HELL WE CAN GO ON & ON’, IT’S ALL BULL.
    YOU WANT TO SEE A CHANGE ( TERM LIMITS )- JUST THE TWO LITTLE WORDS WILL TURN THEM GREEN, MAKE THEM SICK – MAKE THEM NOT RUN FOR OFFICE. HEE HEE.
    POWER IS WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE AFTER, NOT ALL THAT OTHER BULL.
    YOU CAN NOT ACCUMULATE POWER IN JUST 4 YEARS OR EVEN 8. TERM LIMITS WILL STOP THEM FROM RUNNING, & STOP THE BIG SPENDERS . THAT IS ONLY THE FIRST STEP; AFTER THEY SERVE ONE OR TWO TERMS – I DON’T KNOW ?
    THEY WILL RETIRE ON $160,000. PER YEAR FOR LIFE. THE SAME SOC SEC THEY STOLE FROM US WHILE IN OFFICE; PAYS US AN AMOUNT THAT IS BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL; AND WE PAID INTO IT.
    I WILL TAKE ALL THIS AWAY FROM THEM; THE HIGH SALARY , PENSION , BIG EXPENSE ACCOUNT , TRAVEL EXPENSE FROM WORK TO HOME.( WE, THE PEOPLE THEY WORK FOR ) DON’T GET THESE THINGS WHY SHOULD THEY ?
    I WILL HAVE A CONGRESS AND SENATE THAT WILL PASS NO LAWS, UNLESS THEY ADHERE TO THE CONSTITUTION; THE SAME ONE THEY HATE.
    YOU KNOW WHAT THE RESPONSE TO ALL THIS WILL BE. IF WE DO THIS WE WILL END UP WITH A BUNCH OF DUMB NO NOTHING LEADERS . YEP, WHO GOT US HERE ?
    I THINK AFTER WE GET RID OF THE CROOKS AND LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD THE SMARTEST AND BEST OF US WILL RISE TO THE TOP. THAN WE MUST WATCH OUT FOR GREED, BECAUSE; IT WILL ALWAYS FOLLOW.

    LETS SEE NOW – YA THINK I’M STARTING TO HIGH ? I SHOULD START A LITTLE LOWER – SENATE , CONGRESS , DOG CATCHER , LET ME KNOW ??
    REMEMBER – I AIN’T THE DUMMY WHO GOT US IN THIS SPOT. IT WAS THE THE GREEDY POLITICIANS ALREADY IN WASHINGTON.

    WAIT, I KNOW, I’LL BE A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER; THAT WAY I’LL HAVE ALL THE EXPERIENCE AND KNOW HOW REQUITED.
    I UNDERSTAND A BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS NOT REQUIRED. DO YOU NEED A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION ? I REMEMBER A PRESIDENT THAT NEVER WENT TO COLLEGE,
    BUT, HE WAS A DEMOCRAT. I DID OWN 3 SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSES DO YOU THINK THE DEMOCRATS IN OFFICE WILL HOLD THIS AGAINST ME ?

    JHSUNBUM

    • shannon clark

      here’s your first vote, I want my country better and stronger, I will never surrender, Thank you and God blesses you. shannon

      • http://GOOGLE JHSUNBUM

        THANKS SHANNON BUT YOUR YOUR MY SECOND VOTE. GOD BLESS YOU. I THOUGHT I WOULD GET SOME LIB COMMENTS, BUT;I GUESS THIS IS TOO CONFUSING FOR THEM!
        THINK I SHOULD PUT IT ON MOVE ON DOT. HEE HEE

        • JeffH

          JHSUNBUM, it’ll happen soon enough…just be patient, the parrots will squak…bbbaaarrraaaccckkk!

        • JBR

          JHSUNBUM, please stop typing ALL CAPS… it’s extremely difficult to read and doesn’t really add anything to your argument. It just makes it seem as if you’re shouting all of the time.

          PS. I hope the your “boarders” don’t get too upset about the troops being on them; or perhaps you meant ‘borders.’

          • http://GOOGLE JHSUNBUM

            J B R THANKS;I NEED A PROOF READER. I AM 76 YEARS OLD, WITHOUT MUCH FORMAL EDUCATION, TYPING WITH 2 FINGERS; IT’S EASER FOR ME THIS WAY.
            IF IT HARD TO READ, MAY I SUGGEST, YOU READ SLOW; ITS HOW I TYPE!

            WITH ALL THIS; WOULD I BE ANY WORSE PRESIDENT THAN OBAMA ?
            I WILL TELL YOU THIS-I WOULD BE A CAPITALIST NOT SOCIALIST OR A COMMIE

    • chuck b

      jhsunbum

      here’a my vote. sounds like a winner to me.

  • mavis

    OBAMA IS A PRODUCT OF CHICAGO POLITICS,THE END JUSTIFIES
    THE MEANS. HE CAME INTO POWER BY THE HANDS OF THE BLACK PEOPLE, COLLEGE STUDENTS WHO WERE BRAINWASHED BY LIBERAL PROFESSORS AND DO GOODERS THAT THOUGHT HOW GREAT IT WOULD BE TO HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT SO THEY DID NOT LOOK BEYOND THEIR NOSE. I HOPE THAT THEY HAVE HAD A WAKE UP CALL AND I HOPE IT,S NOT TOO LATE. OBAMA COULD HAVE DONE A LOT OF GOOD FOR AMERICA BUT HE CHOSE TO TRY TO BRING HER TO HER KNEES. HE HAS NO LOVE FOR AMERICA. HE IS NOW RUNING AROUND IN AIRFORCE ONE USING ALL THAT FUEL AND MONEY TO CAMPAIGN FOR HARRY REID AND BARBARA BOXER ON THE TAXPAYER’S DOLLAR. WHILE WE HERE IN THE GULF ARE WATCHING THE BP OIL SPILL CRIPPLE OUR ECONOMY. OBAMA IS FIDDLING WHILE ROME BURNS.IF YOU THINK THAT OBAMA IS GOING TO TRY TO SAVE AMERICA YOU ARE STICKING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND OR SOMEPLACE ELSE. IMPEACH OBAMA NOW !!!!!!!!!!!.MEHPENSACOLA,FL

  • DaveH

    I hope this wakes up some more people to the true nature of Big Government. They are there for themselves, not the citizens.

    Constitution? What Constitution? They don’t need no damn constraints.

  • bob pa

    RivaMitch you read ayn rand and understand and thats good, but the majority still do not get the picture. we need guns to protect ourselves, we need to educate the masses to the totalaterian government we have now. it is headed for a worse end. we all should cease to contribute our mind to these zombis. they will cause the distruction, but we will rebuild a better nation after our present government destroys our present one. remember hank rearden.

  • http://www.t-boca.com Marcia Wood

    Our 2nd Amendment is ours to protect from all corruption and thanks to those who care – it will still be ours come 2012.

    Play the Obama game, send him emails daily to his website ask that the suit against Arizona and Jan Brewer be dropped immediately. Tell him to leave our 2nd Amendment alone, it’s not his right to attempt to change our Constitution.

    The masses can make a huge difference between now and November 2010, if we’d join together and play Obama’s favorite game. “Distraction and keeping the troops divided.” Just reading the comments is a perfect example of the way Obama and gang keep the troops divided.

    Little T-Boca (Annie)

  • http://www.OurBrokenGov.org OurBrokenGov.org

    “The second amendment will only be needed when they try to take it”
    - Thomas Jefferson

    Thomas Jefferson also said: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. … God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion; what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms!”

    Winston Churchill said: “If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

    Adolf Hitler said in 1935 – “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future.”

    Today we as a people do not need to be necessarly a smart people, we only need to study history and what it should have taught us. Apparenly, if the American people don’t wake up and WAKE UP soon, we will be repeating history. Only this time we will not be fighting the tryanny that was England (our government of that time), we will be fighting our government of today.

    “I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” – Thomas Jefferson

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      YOUR QUOTES FROM HISTORY:ADOLF HITLERS IS VERY SCARY,BECAUSE IT IS TAKING PLACE HERE NOW AND MOST OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC,DO NOT REALIZE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE PUSHED FOR GUN CONTROL,ARE NOTHING BUT LEFT WING TYRANTS IN THE MAKING,HISTORY IS REPEATING ITSELF AGAIN,EXCEPT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES,MAKES ME SICK.AND CHICAGO IS A FINE EXAMPLE AND CALIFORNIA IS WORST.

    • Vicki

      We do not need to be smart. Wise is enough.

      A smart person learns from his/her mistakes.
      A wise person learns from the mistakes of others.
      Both require history.

  • http://www.OurBrokenGov.org OurBrokenGov.org

    We must all ask ourselves today, what type of country do we want for our children and grand children? . I personally don’t care whether you call it “European Style Socialism”, Communism, Marxism, or Fascism, they all redefine and require an end to what has been and is the longest standing free Republic in the history of the world.

    Please, make NO mistake in understanding that our Republic, our very way of life, our personal freedoms, liberties and rights ARE in danger with the direction of this current Obama administration. The recent actions of this administration have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying our capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming our governmental and economic systems with crisis. If you’re not familar with the “Cloward & Piven Stategy” you need to look it up… simply stated it explains how any social or political change that you want can be achieved through mangaged crisis… the bigger the crisis the more drastic the changes that can be accomplished. The theroy being that a people will agree to about anything if they feel threatened enough. Cloward and Piven were professors at Columbia University where Obama got his degree from.

    Let us remember the words of Samual Adams, that ‘if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.’ It is a very serious consideration, which should deeply impress our minds, that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers in the event.”

    In the spirit of our founding fathers, I personally have pledged my life, my fortune and my sacred honor to preserve, defend and protect our Constitution and our Republic.

    I would simply ask you today to consider joining me in this solemn pledge.

    • chuck b

      ourbrokengov.org

      since you are stating the same thing the tea party stands for, why not consolidate with the tp??

  • http://ricks-constitutionofourforefathers.blogspot.com/ Rick

    I have already taken the pledge, and dedicate one of my web sites to it.

  • http://pld michael

    I dont sleep with my guns but i do know where they are and NO power on earth will ever take them…..

    • JLC

      Michael — Keep your pants and your weapons where you can find them in the dark —— R. Heinlein: The Notebooks of Lazarus Long

  • Bill Kay

    Real simple the supreme has spoken, thats the law , thats why they named it the supreme court those that do not uphold the law should go to JAIL PERIOD. Of course since we have an atty general that does what he is told to do ? well what you gonna do. I ll tell you clean out these TRAITORS come NOVEMBER TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY.

    • Vicki

      The Supreme Court said that the 2nd is an individual right and that it applies to the states and local gov as well as the fed. They also stated that they were not ruling on reasonable regulation.

      Thus the next battle in the Supreme court needs to be on the definition of “shall”, “not”, “infringe(d)”. Clinton taught the world the definition of “be” ( the definition of “is :) )

  • A Patriot till death

    To All Veterans,
    You have already sworn an oath of allegience to America and it is a lifetime liability that cannot be broken. The founders pledged to give their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to preserve and protect our Constitution and our Republic. I don’t see how we can shun our duty to any less. BO and his ilk will be neutered come November and we will have one of the nicest Thanksgivings we have ever had since the Founding.

  • Claire

    I suggest everyone take a good, long, hard look at both parties. There are corrupt politicians on both sides.

  • CAW

    I am so frustrated. It does not matter any more who you elect, the politicians all come out of the same mold. That mold sure as hell has to be broken. Political office draws people with a criminal mindset. For the few that slide by without that mindset, when they get a taste of what is to be gained by joining the good old boys club, they jump right on the band wagon. If they don’t join the club they will be run right out of town in no time flat. I do not know what the answer is, but it is not casting a ballot anymore. I think the situation in this country calls for drastic matters! We MUST take our country back. The founding fathers tried it the easy way through communication and look what it got them, a nice bloody war. Unfortunately, I do believe that is what it boils down to!

    • slickporsche

      Yes CAW that is exactly what it boils down to. Revolution!

  • coal miner

    Gun rights:
    Newsweek Homepage Gun Rally
    Liberals and the NRA have found common cause in a pending supreme court case.
    When the constitutional accountability Center launched in 2008, it looked like just another liberal legal-advocacy group, dedicated to “fulfilling the progressive promise of our Constitution’s text and history.” The causes it has backed run the standard liberal gamut: among other things, the group supports California’s efforts to regulate carbon emissions and pushes for “robust due-process protections for immigrant criminal defendants.” So if you were told that the CAC had filed an amicus brief in McDonald v. Chicago, a case about gun control to be argued before the Supreme Court this week, you might think it was siding with Chicago, whose restrictions on gun ownership are being challenged.

    You would be wrong. For decades, liberals have opposed gun rights on the grounds that the Second Amendment is limited to the establishment of state militias. But some liberal dissenters from this view now say that is too narrow a reading of the Constitution. They contend that it fails to take into account the historical record and contradicts liberals’ own reading of the Constitution’s protection of individual rights.

    The CAC has joined forces with staunch conservatives, including Steven G. Calabresi, cofounder of the Federalist Society, to support expanding individual rights, including gun rights, in the states—inviting the possibility that Chicago’s virtual ban on handguns might be overturned. “There is a deeply progressive historical basis for some individual right to bear arms,” says Douglas Kendall, the CAC’s founder.

    This is still far from the standard liberal view. But Kendall does have allies. Some sharp liberal legal minds are part of his campaign to reverse and embrace the right to gun ownership. “I believe in an individual right to bear arms, consistent with a living Constitution,” says Adam Winkler, a professor of law at UCLA and a frequent participant in the American Constitution Society, the liberal answer to the Federalist Society. Winkler was one of eight scholars, including other prominent liberals, who signed the CAC’s brief in the McDonald case.

    What is going on here? For much of the nation’s history, Kendall and his supporters argue, the right to bear arms was considered essential to citizenship. “Forty-two states in their state constitutions provide protections for the right to bear arms,” says Winkler. “It is one of the longest-standing, most deeply entrenched rights in American history.”

    At the heart of the left-leaning dissenters’ argument is a plea for consistency. For decades, liberals have insisted that the Constitution assumes—even if it does not explicitly spell out—a right to bodily autonomy. This right, long disputed by conservatives, is a basis for arguments in favor of abortion rights and gay rights. Liberals who support gun rights find a similar implied right to own weapons: after all, they say, what is the right to bear arms but the ability to protect your body from criminals as well as the government? “The right to bear arms gives you a mechanism to protect your bodily autonomy from attack,” says Winkler.

    The CAC’s main concern in weighing in on the McDonald case isn’t to secure gun rights but to set a precedent that will expand individuals’ protection under the Bill of Rights to the state level. That would, they hope, bolster liberal constitutional arguments in favor of stronger due-process and abortion-rights protections.

    The real issue in McDonald is whether the Second Amendment applies to the states. Currently, it covers only the federal government. The Supreme Court has already applied “fundamental rights,” such as the right to free speech, to states. The National Rifle Association is asking the court to elevate the Second Amendment to the list of fundamental rights. The CAC hopes instead that the court will add not just the Second Amendment but the whole Bill of Rights. That would make state laws vulnerable to federal-court challenges under a part of the Constitution that liberals love: the “privileges or immunities” clause of the 14th Amendment. Liberals would be able to sue states in federal court on everything from welfare to gay marriage, challenging laws that deprive someone of the “privileges or immunities” of citizenship. The CAC believes the benefits of these new protections are worth the weaker gun laws that may go along with them.

    Traditional liberal legal scholars don’t see it this way. They still come down overwhelmingly against individual gun rights. When the conservative majority on the Supreme Court ruled in 2008 that Washington, D.C.’s outright ban on handgun possession violated the Second Amendment, the four left-leaning justices dissented. Liberals attacked the majority decision, saying the record from 1789 shows the Founders’ intent was to protect state militias. Applied today, that means that the National Guard can stock arms, but a National Guard reservist, much less a typical citizen, does not have a right to buy a pistol and keep it in his home.

    Most legal conservatives don’t buy the CAC’s new line of reasoning, either. Conservatives support the conclusion that individuals have the right to bear arms—but find the new liberals’ underlying argument unconvincing. They do not believe a right to bodily autonomy can be found—or even implied—in the language of the Constitution. Essentially, conservatives reject this argument for the same reason that they have long rejected the implied right to privacy that the Supreme Court pointed to in deciding Roe v. Wade.

    Justice Antonin Scalia and other “originalists” are most concerned with trying to discern what the Founders had in mind when they wrote the Constitution. They often dismiss the traditional liberal approach to constitutional jurisprudence as one that tries to reach desired outcomes by conveniently finding a basis for them in the Constitution. (Liberals, of course, argue conservatives are doing just that in their reading of the Second Amendment.)

    As a result, for now the liberal stand in favor of gun rights remains a novel argument in search of a judicial home. For different reasons, most scholars on the left and the right want nothing to do with it. Politicians aren’t rushing to embrace it. One could see how moderate Democratic members of Congress—always looking for ways to woo back rural voters—might adopt this thinking. But they had begun to tone down their opposition to gun ownership even before this new legal argument started making the rounds in Washington. To the distress of gun opponents, President Obama has said he “supports and respects the Second Amendment,” and Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill have not made gun control a priority despite earlier promises to aggressively pursue a ban on assault weapons. In a tough election fight, worried Democrats are looking for all the arms they can bear.

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  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    If my memory is correct, didn’t Harrison Ford recently tell all the environmentalist wackos that he’ll start walking when all the wackos do??…..Likewise, we need to send the same message to these moron mayors like Daley and Mike Bloomberg, and to all the other leftwing anti-gun statists – we’ll give up our 2nd amendment rights when these liberal elitists give up their guns, and their political offices too!!!! Likewise, let these politicians disarm their own personal security personnel!!

  • Raggs

    If you are depending on Holder to uphold our rights, well I’m sure you wont mind the black panthers at your doorstep.

  • Claire

    You know what is ironic?? A lot of people think Chicago is the capitol of Illinois instead of Springfield. I wonder why it isn’t? It should be. They are running the show. Into the ground.

  • http://gmail i41

    If muslim Keyan and the black quack panters ,show up on my doorstep. I Cousin Colt and his six hot headed kids. The twins are a 3,5,&7, and they create a lot of peace and quiet, when they speak. Kind of the opposite of hope and change, they sure aren’t recist or whimps! Of course uncle Winchester I’m sure would like help out, auntie semi 12 guage and, double 00 buckshot girls, will help to keep it pleasant and happy. Daley, Bloomberg and all the other marxist moron mayors, they don’t like the Constitution or armed citizens. Between the Chitcago thugs and the socialist democrats , everyone should get used to the more crap being shved down the citizens throughs. Espically after Nov.’s election into Jan. Watch Onumnutts and his flunky democrats and rino republicans.

  • http://www.realcolorwheel.com/ DonJ

    These are the posts I like best.
    aveH says:
    July 9, 2010 at 8:11 am
    And the Chicago city council passed the new law (flaunting the Supreme Court ruling) with a margin of 45-0. How many times have you seen a group of 45 people agree on anything? And on top of that, agreeing to ignore the Supreme Court and the Constitution. Tell me there wasn’t dirty politics at play there (The Chicago Way). These people are no better than criminals themselves.
    *
    OurBrokenGov.org says:
    July 9, 2010 at 10:19 am
    “The second amendment will only be needed when they try to take it”
- Thomas Jefferson
    Adolf Hitler said in 1935 – “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future.”

    Impeach Obama, audit the Fed.

  • Anthony

    Rivah -
    You’ve pointed out the real gist of the situation – and using Ayn Rand, deserves a WELL DONE.

    MY BELIEF – is that the Establishment, went out of their way to ‘damn’ Ayn Rand and her followers, processing a false label along the way.

    What Ayn Rand was doing – was describing what we were in for as long as we went with the “status quo”… aka: Blind Patriotism for things are they are – which means for a lot of us… things that we grew up with, not knowing what alternatives there might be. (think on that, fer awhile)

    As it states on the Rothschild (History of) website – there will be a period of upheaval using Fascism as the Front, and once the War is over, Fascism will be dead, leaving only Communism in its wake.

    Only, the Communism you have seen so far, is not what you will end up with. Certainly, it will be Commune-style… along with the fact that (as typified by the Gerogia Guidestones) only a small percentage of humans will be left and of those, the majority will have no way to free themselves … and the Cast Society will be in effect, forever.

    Think of it, like how Britain used to be – where if your Dad was a Butler, that’s the only Career choice you had any say in. Any other career choice meant you would have to leave your Family and go to another Country, period. Only with what they have planned … there’s nowhere else to go. I have read enough to know, this is the ultimate and final plan. IF…. we let them get away with it. And, [k gersch], the bait-poster, is certainly ready & willing to go along with the current status quo… obviously any alternative scares the bejeebus out of anything they can call human.

    As long as everyone “runs” to the TV, to be told what to believe and “when to believe it” … then, this Plan as stated above, will happen. There are rumblings within the CFR and Trilateral (now) that are proof to that effect, right now. They ARE worried, we are becoming “aware”… Hence their rush to complete th eprocess, so there are no alternatives, whether we like it or not.

    Whether you watch regular TV or go to YouTube and watch Earth 2.0, whatever – the process of flooding the spectrum with false information… is an ongoing process. Look how the people of Massachusetts were suckered by that Scott B. character in the Primaries. They’ve had plenty of time and plenty of our money (illiegally, I might add) to accomplish the preparation they need.

    It’s high time, we quit this “bait conversation” nonsense, because … like that moron in the Church in Mel Gibson’s The Patriot … when your butt-kissing usefulness is over.. so is your life as you know it.

    !. You start learning food storage preparation – do it now
    2. Find yourselve a machine that collects humidity from the air around you and include a generator of some sort, so you can make water from nothing when the time comes.
    3. Start collecting REAL seeds for the garden you will grow – and should already be growing now. Food will start to become more expensive and more scarce.. walk away in disbelief if you like – it will happen. Obama & Co have already all but destroyed the Gulf for the next two decades, at least. No telling the repercussions about the other areas where the ocean currents will push this toxic nonsense.
    4. Learn how to hide your weapons so no dogs or anyone else, but you, can find them.
    5. GET OFF THE GRID as much as humanly possible. It’ll be the same as pissing on Corporatocracy’s shoes. Why not enjoy yourself along the way.

    Websites like this one aren’t spending time promoting the products they do, for their own health .. they could promote Pepsi (laced with Aspartame) if that were the case… think about it.
    Websites like INFOWARS, or LAROUCHEPAC or SPITFIRELIST can actually help you understand what it is they’re not discussing (on purpose)… and no, it’s not conspiracy chatter… Do you listen to Hot Tea Radio? Why not? Have youy checked even Facebook to see how many real Patriots are there?

    Fairly soon – the Internet will change and grabbing the real truth will become incredibly difficult… better start printing stuff out or copying it somehow, so you can share with others… who are late to the Party.

    I’m already loadin up on what I need to survive … and if that includes a move to Farmville…. so be it.

    • Raggs

      You can sum that up by saying “sheeple”.

      Although more than half of the “folks” in this country oppose obama at a rough guess 80% of the population are “sheeple”.

      I have talked to many people, some of which hate him as I do, but they depend on him and therefore they will follow him.

      obama wants to create a world around obama.

  • gofer

    They don’t want guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens in case they need to round up a bunch of them for whatever reason. It’s crazy how they try and prevent people from protecting themselves against the thugs who are armed to the teeth. It doesn’t make any sense.

  • cerebus23

    i fail utterly how to see that the sc or anyone, has to interpert the meaning of the 2nd amendment. or how gun control nuts can continue to run around saying the 2nd amendment only applies to militias, that was the founders intent.

    the founders that wrote that stuff often talked about the rights of citizens to own guns to specifically overthrow the government period. if you read the entirety of the 2nd amendment itself the 2nd half after the militias part clearly extends those rights beyond the militias. even if we did not have people like washington and jefferson and others saying that people needed guns to defend themselves from their own government.

    many of the people that wrote the constitution and bill of rights lived under british rule. a rule that wanted to take their guns away to stop them from revolting. they lived under a government that got more and more oppressive, shouldered heavy taxes on them to support a bunch of rulers that did not see them as anything but purses to be plundered.

    so why is it we have all these lawsuits and so called experts on law and the constitution having to debate the issue? hows come we need to send these things all the way up to the supreme court at all? how is it we can have people on the supreme court that thinks guns are only for the militias? there is no thinner and outright false arguement out there where all the literature ever written expressly contradicts what these people claim. there is nothing to interperet it is clear as anything if you all all bother to read the 2nd amendment, read what the founding fathers wrote about that specific amendment.

    what we have in the end is people that do not like the constitution. hate the founding fathers and are not seeking to interperet the constitution but change it. they do not like what is written therefore they are just doing what they want period. and do not even judges swear to uphold the constitution? traitors all of them.

  • http://gmail i41

    cerebus23, The law universities and all fine art colleges have been teaching, the idea of only milita having guns. It has been taught in public schools for over several decades. Any anti gun ownership moron, is a socialist democrat thru and thru, and usually have a couple degrees from different colleges. The second thing, they all seem to think, just let the UN take care of all problems and if people only would talk out their disagreements, and USA just needs to talk and let muslims have their style of living and worship in this Christian founded country. When you mention the horrible treatment women and children receive, they usually will change subjects of start claim you are racist!

  • James

    It’s not a battle against the Second Amendment, it’s a battle against one’s right to bear arms. The right to bear arms existed before the federal government was created and before the Bill of Rights was added to the U.S. Constitution. The Second Amendment does not guarantee the right within the States, it is not the source of the right, it’s supposed to guarantee that the right “shall not be infringed” by Congress.
    The McDonald v. Chicago decision held that the “liberty” of the 14th Amendment now includes the right to bear arms as the Court held in Heller. But “liberty” is subject to a state’s “due process of law.” Chicago’s new ordinances clearly violate rights, but that’s a State matter.

  • marvin

    people that think goverment is the ansure are asking the wrong questions or are just to stuped to take care of their self,think god we got a president now that will feed me and pay my morgage,and car payment,free free free at last think OBAMA all mighty we are free at last,this is the mind set of a liberal,but i say nothing is free not even freedom,it is and was won by the blood of common people with a helping hand not a handout,any time a goverment offical saz i,m here to help,run don,t walk,the baning a gun to the inside of your house is like saying you can only drive your car on your drive way it will go to court and be over turned

  • meteorlady

    I live in Texas and we can open carry. We can also go to gun class and get a permit for concealed. It’s nice to know that I can protect myself and my family. I cannot think of one single reason why a honest, hard working citizen should not be allowed to carry a gun for personal protection.

    As for Chicago – WOW I didn’t know that crooks and thugs just entered houses and not the yard, garage or street in front of a house…. nor did I not know that the police always show up in a timely manner to stop a robbery or murder or rape in progress…. learn something every day I guess.

  • http://weliveinademocracy? dale bennett

    The one prevailing evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority, or rather that party, not always the majority, that succeeds, by force or fraud, in carrying elections,
    restore the REPUBLIC

  • http://weliveinademocracy? dale bennett

    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy alw…ays collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship

    • chuck b

      dale

      that’s why we are a republic and not a democracy.

  • Ed Fisher

    Each day, it becomes more obvious which side the washington disaster is on. They are behind the thieves, robbers, anything that is against what normal people stand for. Why else would Holder (boy wonder) keep suing and counter suing and disclaiming, stepping in the way of decent laws that cities and states make. REMEMBER the black male that was screaming “Kill the white babies – I hate white people”. Then Holder has that person released back into society instead of having him placed under he jail. What would have happened to any person, of any other race, that would have said that about people of any other race????????? His boss/associate must have forgotten that his mother was supposedly from a white family…….. Chicago, the decent people thereof, need to be able to protect themselves with guns, because it has been long known, that Chicago is loaded with holdup people and general thieves. Holder and Obama are almost always on the side to destroy this country – city by city and state by state. The great state of Arizona is attempting to do what the US government should have been doing for many years. The democrat leadership – Clinton and now Obama use the “amnisty and just not enforcing the borders” to conjur up votes that they don’t deserve, and they know they have to do illegal things to achieve their destruction of the country.

  • Anthony

    I would have to do an intense search online to see just how long we have had to put up with Court Case after Court Case dmenading that “we, the people” be disarmed. Whether the reasoning was the accusation of “anarchy”, or whatever… I do know that during my lifetime, there have been in some instances at least five cases being pushed at the same time over this issue.

    Who funds these Court Cases? In most instances, I believe it is “we, the people” who have ended up paying the bill, whether we realized it, or not. Since the creation of the Federal Reserve, our tax dollars have been re-routed to many causes for which (if asked) the American Peole would have never alloted one damn dime.

    EX: Cotton Farmers receive a subsidy from the Federal Government wherein, if the global price of cotton falls below 52 cents, the Government will pay the Farmer the difference, so they will receive their 52 cents per pound of cotton they grow. 2009, I believe was a bumper crop of cotton and the price fell to 35 cents/pound. One Farmer received a check from Uncle Sam to the tune of $340,000, to make up the difference between that and the rated 52cents.

    This .. is nonsense, people. In no way, shape or form should anyone in business be getting s subsidy like this. But, as you can see, THE FED has agreed to work hand in hand with Congress and their Corporate-ocracy structure of stealing tax dollars from the American People and just handing it out as payola to whomever they wish.

    What do you think they might try, when it comes to taking your guns? Remember this, they DID work real hard at disarming the citizens of New Orleans immediately after Katrina… and many of those citizens never did get their guns back. What’s more, the Press has been amazingly silent about the whole topic. Including such people as O’Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc., etc. The very few who have been speaking out about it are those that get labeled as the fringe element. Guys like Michael Savage, or Ted Nugent, etc.

    One person wrote that going out and buying a gun from a Gun Dealership is not the way to take care of business of arming one’s self. That person is probably right. After all, the only reason for registration, is so they can take them away.

    What will you do?

  • ROBERT CORUM

    Well, here we go again, the Government making the innocent pay because of the guilty! They can’t write a law that says “If you are a career criminal, or tied to a criminal network, associate with…., then you can’t have a gun of ANY sort: on you, in your possession, on your property, in your property, not with in 50 yards of previous said, not in or within 50 yards of rented properties….” Get it? It’s obvious what they’re going for here, SO WHY DON’T THEY STRAP ON SOME BALLS AND DO THAT!!! (unless what they REALLY want IS DOMINATION OVER EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING!!!- what you all think?)
    To whoever is passing the laws up there: “If there is a robbery at a certain address, then do you arrest everyone within a 5 block radius and charge them all with the crime?”…. “””””WELL????”””””

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