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Center-Libertarian America

November 14, 2012 by  

Center-Libertarian America
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The people of the United States appear to be becoming more politically “center-libertarian” than the traditional “center-right” Nation that many described the electorate as in years past, according to some political observers.

A recent article published by the Los Angeles Times examines the outcome of several races throughout the Nation last Tuesday to conclude that while most Americans are fiscal conservatives, social liberalism is on the rise.

From the article:

After 32 straight losses for same-sex wedding laws, four states approved marriage-equality proposals last week. Two other states legalized marijuana for recreational purposes. Wisconsin elected the first openly homosexual U.S. senator in history, Tammy Baldwin. An Iowa Supreme Court justice targeted for removal because he voted in 2007 to approve gay marriage, David Wiggins, defeated an effort to oust him. And, crucially, Obama won with 60% of voters telling exit pollsters they supported the president’s call for higher taxes on the rich.

Aside from taxes on the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans, fiscal issues remain dominated by conservative viewpoints, with 51 percent of voters telling election exit pollsters that the Federal government should be reduced in size and debt and do less.

In some key races that would have been easily won by fiscally conservative candidates last week, GOP contenders lost as a result, some people believe, heavily because of social issues like gay marriage and abortion.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    OF COURSE, AS A HOMOSEXUAL, I BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALITY IS A BIOLOGICAL ORIENTATION. OF COURSE, AS AN ATHEIST, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE EXISTENCE OF DEITIES; I DO NOT CARE IF THE UNIVERSE IS THE RESULT OF SOME “BIG-BANG” OCCURENCE. WHEN IT COMES TO MONEY, I AM MODERATE – HAVING A “NEST-EGG” IS IMPORTANT; BUT, I DO NOT SAVE TO THE POINT OF HINDERING MY ABILITY TO ENJOY LIFE. AS A REPUBLICAN NEGRO, I BELIEVE TOO MANY NEGROES ARE DEPENDENT ON WELFARE; FURTHERMORE, I DO NOT SUPPORT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

    WHEN I SAW Governor Gary Johnson IN HIS TWO DEBATES – HE “SPOKE” TO ME. I HAD TO VOTE FOR HIM. I AM PROUD I DID.

    THIS POST-ELECTION MEDIA COVERAGE IS NOT ACCURATE IN TERMS OF THE VIEWS OF YOUNG PEOPLE. THOSE “RED STATES” HAVE YOUNG RESIDENTS, TOO. I DO NOT KNOW MANY NEGROES UNDER FORTY IN EASTERN ARKANSAS, MEMPHIS AND NORTHERN MISSISSIPPI WHO WOULD AGREE WITH ME ON THE ISSUES OF ATHEISM AND HOMOSEXUALITY. SO, THIS “CHANGING DEMOGRAPHY” DISCUSSED IN POST-ELECTION MEDIA IS FOCUSED ON NORTHERNERS.

    THUS, I DO NOT THINK THIS NATION – AS A WHOLE – IS “CENTER-LIBERTARIAN.” IN THIS COUNTRY, PEOPLE WHO ARE “COOL” WITH SOCIAL ISSUES ARE DEMOCRATS BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE ALSO IGNORANT WHEN IT COMES TO MONEY-MANAGEMENT. ON THE OTHER HAND, LIBERTARIANS ARE MORE SKILLED IN REFERENCE TO MONEY MATTERS.

    • Bob

      Well put Christopher. I do not share your values on sex or religion. However I know I can’t make you gay or cause you to be a atheist or make you have a abortion these are decisions that many hold personally and I do no’t believe in for myself. But as a group that care about the direction we are headed we have to appeal to all sectors and come together as a group united in a belief that government needs to be smaller and more efficient and we need to create jobs not tear down jobs. Money does mater and when you work hard to get it it seems wrong to take 1/3 of away to give someone whom is too lazy to work.

    • http://twitter.com/chaosaxiom The Diagnosis (@chaosaxiom)

      I completely respect your honesty and I know that your sexual orientation has played a part in your Political views because my best freiend (RIP) was bi-sexual and also a “Drag Performer”. I saw him listen to facts and realize Conservative actually meant Liberety and Equality and while when we first met it was only due to family connections that I tolerated him, once I got to know him, well as I said he was my best friend and he went from a misinformed Democrat to an educated Libertarian. I am completely honest as I was with him so understand my rationale before you make any conclusions. I disagree completely with “Gay” Marriage simply because I am a Catholic and believe a Marriage is first and foremost a Religious Sanction and I refuse to compromise my Faith, however I fully support Civil Unions between any two consenting legal adults and I believe that all rights should be extended in matters from Insurance Coverage to Medical Decisions to any two adults that desire such. It should be Legal and Recognized.
      I see that it has been four decades of Liberals/Socialists indoctrinating multiple generations of American Children in Public Schools that has created a Culture of Ignorance and thus Obama has support by millions that actually have no clue as to why they support him but for the “Talking Points” they have heard on Bill Maher or MSNBC, rhetoric they repeat like some deviant Mantra. I am not Racist but I am a Realist and Black Urban Culture has become so misled and misinfrmed that they Voted Obama simply because of his complexion, and when asked why he hasn’t made good on any of the Promises he made they spew the same Liberal Rhetoric of “Blame Bush”. Sad that in the twentyfirst century the promise of Foodstamps and Welfare (Not Education and Careers) are enough to garner and rally support. I appreciate your post and I wish you the best in all things and I hope you can reach both of the minority communities you represent and educate them to what a Libertarian really is.

    • nickkin

      No matter how you massage the words and identify yourself, libertarian, morality is the what the identification should be ID as. Big bang theory, collision of planets, are all the same as gene-inheritance. You believe all your own feel-good excuses because you have a free will to believe what you want to believe. You are comfortable about being a minority in all the ways you can. You follow the rules of your own free will. I believe in the history of your immoral beliefs with my beliefs coming from the one big ruling book, the Bible. If you have the time, take a look and read about your past, presence and future.

      • http://None Ralph Harris

        If you believe in the Bible for your factual history and future, you are being sadly misinformed. The Bible is simply a number of myths cobbled together in an attempt to control your life. Note the massive control exercised by the Catholic Church. (Myth is described as “A story in which the facts cannot be verified”) If you can verify any of the facts in the New Testament, please set them forth here. I would very much like to see them. RalphE.. (PS You cannot use the Bible to prove the facts in the Bible.)

      • vicki
      • Kinetic1

        vicki,
        This link offers a great deal of very interesting information regarding the existence of Luke and other writers from the Bible, but it can do little to verify the stories.

        I have just finished reading a series of books about the supernatural that is based in the San Francisco bay area. I know the area, so I know that those portions set there are accurate, but that does not mean that one can drive into a wooded area of Mill Valley and find another world created by an ancient god.

        I may not agree with your beliefs, but I thank you for the link. It is a very interesting addition to my Biblical studies.

    • Bill

      I agree with you about Gary Johnson. The government should focus on fiscal policies and stay out of our business socially. The issue of us having the worst economic crisis since Jimmy Carter was not expanded upon and too many issues that required moral judgements got the GOP sidetracked.

      The libertarians are the only hope for saving this country

    • Vigilant

      The article says, “Wisconsin elected the first openly homosexual U.S. senator in history, Tammy Baldwin.”

      If that’s supposed to substaniate that America has become more Libertarian, think again. Baldwin spent 13 years in the House and was one of the most radical of progressives in her votes and stated positions. Liberals elected her, NOT Libertarians.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vigilant,”

        I MENTIONED HOMOSEXUALITY IN MY COMMENTS BECAUSE DURING THE DEBATES, Governor Johnson SAID HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE DO IN THE BEDROOM.

        HOMOSEXUAL MODERATES/CONSERVATIVES EXIST. LIBERTARIANISM IS A GREAT ALTERNATIVE FOR THOSE WHO “FEEL STRANGLED” BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY’S ALLEGIANCE TO THE CHURCH.

        Senator-Elect Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) IS AN EMBARASSMENT AND HAS NO CONNECTION – WHATSOEVER – TO LIBERTARIANISM.

      • Vigilant

        I have no argument to your points, CAH.

    • Stuart Shepherd

      Mr Horton- Obviously you’re being sarcastic, but I TRULY believe you have a SERIOUS soul-sickness and a certain evil with your racism. I am conservative as they get, but racism is not only extremely ugly (you’re ugly!!) but actually evil. How you can rail (sarcastically) against abortion, the choice of having perverted gay sex, free-loading- all of which are also evil- and be racist is a little hard to understand that what you ARE is equally evil to these abominations. Hatred of sin is not evil. Every other type of hatred is evil. Skin color is not sin!! Yes, there are black people that are freeloaders. There are some white ones too. What is the point of bringing race into it? What? It’s the free-loading that’s the problem. You must not know the black people I know, who are harder working than any of the white people I know!! It’s just not “fair” to stereotype and it’s definitely racist the way you use the word “negro” all the time. You’re really pathetic. I bet if you found a way to write a single post without using the word “negro” you might have something halfway intelligent to say, because you seem pretty incisive otherwise! Are you up to the challenge? because from where I stand you’re a very small, petty, and hateful man!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Stuart Shepherd,”

        I DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT TO “SIDE” WITH THE LIBERAL MEDIA. IF THIS “CHANGING DEMOGRAPHY” ACTUALLY EXISTS, THEN STATISTICIANS WILL HAVE TO DO A “BREAKDOWN” OF THESE PEOPLE’S MORAL VALUES.

        AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE, I AM AN ATHEISTIC-NEGRO-MALE HOMOSEXUAL WHO SUPPORTS THE REPUBLICAN [AND NOW, LIBERTARIAN] PARTIES.

        “Mr. Shepherd,” THE PROBLEM IS:

        I). Republicans have decided being conservative MUST mean you walk DAILY with your hand in “The Lord’s Hand.” Therefore, all atheists are AUTOMATIC liberals;
        II). Republicans have decided – because of evening-news reports on crime and welfare rolls – that all Negroes support the Democratic Party because Democrats constantly show a FAKE caring about Negroes’ plight. Thus, for many Republicans, the Negro Republican is a myth. Herman Cain may have received more support during the primaries if Caucasian Republicans had felt Mr. Cain could be TRUSTED; AND,
        III). Republicans – regardless of their actual level of piety – STRONGLY hold to the Leviticus Verse in The Bible regarding same-sex behavior. In conjunction, like it or not, when pornography became widely available to all Americans in the late 1960s/early 1970s, pornography had a Caucasian face. Therefore, with nationwide access to pornography ALL Americans assumed the adult-entertainment industry was a Caucasian-only industry. Hence, most people had never seen a Negro homosexual. Since homosexuality is primarily linked with the Democratic Party, Republicans can not understand how a Negro homosexual can be Republican.

        “Mr. Shepherd,” I DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO SAY TO YOU IN ORDER TO PROVIDE AN UNDERSTANDING FOR YOU. “Mr. Shepherd,” REPUBLICANS WHO SHARE YOUR VIEWS WERE A BIG PROBLEM IN REFERENCE TO THIS ELECTION’S OUTCOME.

        MANY LIBERALS WOULD SAY CAUCASIAN REPUBLICANS DO NOT HAVE ADEQUATE EXPOSURE TO ALL PEOPLE OF COLOR – WHICH CREATES UNDERSTANDING. IF Governor Mitt Romney HAD THIS “UNDERSTANDING,” HE WOULD HAVE WON.

  • Doc Sarvis

    As most of us have known, America is not what Fox News and other conservative media outlets have been touting for many years.

    • http://personaliberty.com A-New-Hope

      It’s too early in the morning for finger pointing.

    • Vigilant

      “Center-libertarian?” “Center-right?” “Moderate?”

      In a nation that has been more divided only in the Civil War era, such terms are meaningless. It’s ludicrous to characterize the electorate in such fashion in the wake of an election that has returned to the White House the most leftist president in our history.

      “…Obama won with 60% of voters telling exit pollsters they supported the president’s call for higher taxes on the rich.” You call that “center-Libertarian?”

      From the same L.A. Times article: “…exit polls…show the electorate self identifies as 44% moderate, 34% percent conservative and only 22% liberal…Self-described moderates, though, went for Obama by 56% to 41% for Romney.” This proves but one thing: that the perceived “center” has moved so far left that these so-called moderates are, by and large, liberals.

      Again, from the same article: “51%, of voters last Tuesday told exit pollsters that government should do less, with 43% saying it should do more.” Obviously, this also proves just one thing: if 51% of the voters really believed that, they wouldn’t have voted for Obama. You won’t find me accusing these voters of harboring a normal IQ.

      • TeaParty Patriot (TPP)

        .
        There is no such animal as a moderate . . . There are only gutless liberals who are too cowardly to admit they are liberal, claiming to be moderates appeases thier guilt complex.

      • nickkin

        Let’s add voter fraud to your analysis. I have never heard of voting districts giving 99.7 % of the vote to one person. Add also the succession of over 26 states from the union who smell more than the usual stench from this election.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Tea-Party Patriot (TPP),”

        YOU SAY, [sic], “There is no such thing as a moderate … ” WELL THEN, ” … TPP,” WHAT WOULD YOU CALL A PERSON WHO SUPPORTS TEA-PARTY VALUES 99.9% AND IS HOMOSEXUAL?

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Doc Sarvis,”

      AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, THE LAST “MORALLY-DECENT” DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT WE HAD WAS, President James Earl Carter.

      IT IS THE GOAL OF ANY NEWS OUTLET TO BE BALANCED AND FAIR. THE PROBLEM IS, JOURNALISTS ARE HUMANS WITH INDIVIDUAL IDEOLOGIES. THESE INDIVIDUAL JOURNALISTS ARE INCAPABLE OF WITHDRAWING THEIR IDEOLOGY FROM THEIR ABILITY TO REPORT NEWS. THUS, CRITICIZING Fox News IS SILLY.

      JOURNALISTS ARE SIMILAR TO CRIMINAL-COURT JUDGES. JUDGES ALSO HAVE INDIVIDUAL IDEOLOGIES BECAUSE – THEY TOO – ARE HUMANS AND MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL POPULATION. FOR EXAMPLE, A JUDGE WHO ADMINISTERS A TWENTY-FIVE-YEAR SENTENCE TO A DRUG OFFENDER IS DOING SO BECAUSE SHE/HE CONSIDERS DRUG-USE TO BE WRONG AND HAS THE MAJORITY SUPPORT OF THE CITIZENRY IN THAT JURISDICTION.

      • Stuart Shepherd

        Jimmy Carter was NOT a morally decent man, because he did not have the courage of his convictions. He said he was anti-abortion, a Baptist preacher, and yet he endorsed and promoted the only party to promote and endorse it. If you’re a preacher, there would be no way you could live with your own hypocrisy on something so completely vital to your spiritual beliefs. He was a phoney, like all Democrats.

      • nickkin

        Oh yes Christopher, the peanut farmer who could care less about our military…dumb as a rock…….a globist in disguise as a peanut shell, that’s empty.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Stuart Shepherd,”

        THERE ARE MANY NEGRO PREACHERS WHO HAVE “CHICKS ON THE SIDE,” BUT, THEY “GET UP” EVERY SUNDAY MORNING AND TELL OTHERS WHAT THEY ARE DOING WRONG – “Mr. Shepherd,” WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THAT?

        PEOPLE ARE GETTING READY TO D-E-S-T-R-O-Y General David Petraeus SIMPLY BECAUSE HE IS TIRED OF HIS WIFE. “CHEATING” HAS NO IMPACT ON WHETHER A GOVERNMENT PROFESSIONAL CAN KEEP NATIONAL-SECURITY “SECRETS.” IF THE GOVERNMENT HIRED A “BLABBER-MOUTH” [NOT, General Petraeus], IT SHOULD SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF NOT HAVING AN ADEQUATE “VETTING” PROTOCOL.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “nickkin,”

        President Carter WAS A MORAL MAN WITH INTEGRITY. DISAGREEING WITH HIS STANCE ON FOREIGN POLICY DOES NOT DIMINISH HIS MORALITY.

  • http://liberty Tony

    To Everyone: An accurate description. Actually,this is the path America should take. Happy middle of the week.

    • http://www.PappyMart.com John David Hanna

      agreed

  • Texas Gal

    If we are libertarian America its because we have no where else to go-WE WILL NOT AGREE TO SOCIALISN. WE WILL NOT AGREE TO FASCISM. WE WILL FIGHT TO RETAIN OUR COUNTRY. The government may try and stack the deck as they did these last elections, but by the same token almost half the country did not vote, because there was nothing to vote for. We can vote by refusing to play along for now, but sooner or later they wil try and make you play their game and will you comply or will you stand at the tree of liberty and say no. Rember this country was founded on people who would not comply and said no. Free life is important and now people in San Diego can’t even wash their cars without going to jail or fine or both becasue of the EPA-DID YOU GET THAT -CAN’T WASH THEIR CARS ACCT IT MIGHT UPSET THE PH BALANCE OF THE RIVERS, OH AND DON’T LEAVE YOUR DOG POO ON THE ROAD ACCT THAT COULD UP SET THE PH AS WELL. aaaaarrrrrrgggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!! Some how it seems its getting harder to breath the free air-no wait there are carbon taxes for that….shm

    • eddie47d

      Yet some will gleefully or ignorantly accept Corporatism as an inheritable right which is no more than Fascism. Where an individual,company or group can reap hands full of bounty no matter how they achieved that wealth. That was the prime reason greed took over and our economy collasped. On the other side we have another kind of greed or free loaders who have taken advantage of Socialist programs and abused the system. Republicans (for the most part) are clueless and in partnership with the first and Democrats are clueless and in partnership with the second. That is where Libertarianism comes in. Personal responsibility in earning your own way,respect for Constitutional issues and Liberal on social issues.

      • Vigilant

        Not bad, eddie, that’s a relatively balanced assessment.

        Just remember, however, that fascism is a leftist system, not born from any right wing thinking. That which feeds into the rubric of ever more powerful centralized government is left of center.

        You also could have added that corporatism has found friends on both sides of the corrupt political spectrum.

      • Mikey

        Well put Eddie, you are getting it. Here’s another thing you should consider.
        If big greedy companies control the market, we can choose not to support them. With anti-trust laws in place, we can go to a competitor if we feel they are profiting too much, or treating their employees badly (or overpaying them). They have to be accountable to the public. If their product or service is below par, they’ll go out of business.
        If, on the other hand, a big greedy government controls the market, we HAVE no choices. We are at their mercy and have to go along with whatever they offer us. They do not have to be accountable to anyone. If their product or service is below par, we’re stuck with them.
        So, the right promotes the former, the left promotes the latter.
        And don’t think that we can “vote” away inefficiency in the case of the latter, they are union controlled and again not accountable to the public. Just try to vote away the excessive (and greedy) pensions that many government employees get.
        Don’t you think we are better off dealing with the former?

      • Bill

        I didn’t know you had it in you, Eddie

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Mikey,”

        A PROBLEM WITH YOUR POINT IS THERE IS NO COMPETITION FOR CERTAIN COMPANIES. THE BEST EXAMPLE I KNOW IS UTILITIES.

        DURING SUMMER AND WINTER, Memphis Light, Gas and Water ISSUE $400 [AND-UP] BILLS TO POOR CONSUMERS WHILE CONSUMERS IN FINANCIALLY-COMFORTABLE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE UTILITY BILLS IN THE $150-$300 RANGE. WHEN THESE POOR PEOPLE CAN NOT PAY, THEIR SERVICE IS DISCONNECTED FOR WEEKS [OR, MONTHS] UNTIL A RELIGIOUS-BASED AGENCY PAYS THE BILL FOR THEM.

        IT IS A SHAME CABLE-TELEVISION COMPANIES HAVE COMPETITION, BUT, UTILITIES DO NOT; ALL MAJOR CITIES NEED MORE THAN ONE UTILITY COMPANY.

      • Mikey

        CAH, you are correct, there are still areas where there is no competition.
        Your example should be an opportunity for another company to come in and sell power. However, heavy regulation makes it difficult to do so unless you have a lot of money. It takes wealth to start competitive businesses.
        If that were to happen, the consumer would be the winner. Remember when AT&T was forced to break up when MCI challenged them with anti-trust laws? Everyone’s phone bills went down.

  • Adam Lee

    It’s obvious that Republicans must cease concerning themselves with matters that deal with people’s souls. Everyone has the right to choose their path to heaven or hell, and only they are responsible for these choices.

    • Patriot

      Exactly! Most of us could not care less about those issues, these are only built in distractions & noise!

      • deerinwater

        Well, the GOP sees the Christian vote as up for grabs and a large voting block.

        During W Bush rise to a statehood position, he lost an elected to opposition, at which time he came away saying ,” he would never be out Jesus’ed or out Flag’ed again. ”

        And if you will remember when Rick Perry enter the race he spent two weeks tanking up on Jesus before hand, making the round, kissing babies and pressing the flesh and singing Gods praises.

        This ploy use too work for them ~ I’m not sure if it does anymore.

    • http://N/A Charles R. Tuma

      In Jesus’ name only is, in my opinion, nonsense! It’s the old divine right to rule theme. You can only have access through me (?). I believe in Jesus. But he is God’s son, he is not GOD. The problem with Jesus is that he never experienced life as I know it. He never married (fell in love with a woman), he never raised children. He never buried one of his infant children who got sick and died. Never buried his parens. Never had a wife who cheated on him. He never fought a war (Vietnam, etc). Never rescued someone from a burning building. And, I could go on and on. Half of world’s population believe in a GOD based religion. The other half get their values from their ancestors. Of the God based religions only 40% believe in Jesus. I for one am getting tired of the 40% who cannot accept the fact that there is more to it then “Jesus.” I have no problem talking with GOD and I am able to do it without Jesus. That’s the way it is!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Charles: The problem with Jesus is that he never experienced life as I know it.

        He experienced life more then you will ever know.

        Charles: He never married (fell in love with a woman),

        He had a profound love for women, the purest.

        Charles: he never raised children.

        He raised 12 Apostles that turned the world up-side-down.

        Charles: He never buried one of his infant children who got sick and died.

        No, but he raised a cherished friend from the dead and healed many from disease and misery.

        Charles: Never buried his parents.

        God was His Father, and He died before His mother.

        Charles: Never had a wife who cheated on him.

        Israel was His wife, and she cheated on Him shamelessly and without restraint.

        Charles: He never fought a war (Vietnam, etc).

        He fought the ultimate war, and conquered the most formidable enemy.

      • http://N/A Charles R. Tuma

        I understand your position and respect it. Fortunately or unfortunately I live in a world based on fosil fuels, electricity, airplanes, etc. For example, some say he went up to heaven. But what does up mean. In my understanding of our world it would be more correct to say he went out into space where there is no up or down. My point is we all have our undestanding to the best of our abilities, but one must be very careful when they take the literal meaning of the words. Sincerely and respectfully yours..

      • http://N/A Charles R. Tuma

        I would like to add one more thought. I belong to a Christian church and members of my church insist that marriage is a union between a man and a woman. I happen to agree with that definition. But you define Jesus as being married to a piece of real estate called Israel. Well, which is it? Is marriage a union between a man and a woman or is it a union between a man and a piece of real estate or a “tribe.” ? It seem to me that we should be able to come to some agreement on what the words mean. Or, use another word to describe the relationship between the Son of God and Isreal! Again, Sincerely.

    • waltinseattle

      yes, you can hear an AMEN to that!

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

      Adam: It’s obvious that Republicans must cease concerning themselves with matters that deal with people’s souls.

      What makes you think Republicans care a whit about peoples souls?

      Adam: Everyone has the right to choose their path to heaven or hell, and only they are responsible for these choices.

      No argument here!

  • Ron The Marine

    For you simple minded souls cutting to the chase……..The WORD of GOD is clear, TURN OR BURN, John 14:6 “JESUS said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the FATHER except through ME”.

    Semper Fi (for HE is the great I AM!!!!)

    • nickkin

      AMEN, Ron……..just to know that there is a better place that will have no class distinction. What makes me mad is the fact that 4 dead Americans plus border guards. Apparently the socialist-libs have no direct feeling about fellow americans because they refuse to be Americans…they prefer to be called marxists-communists….a body with no heart.

    • waltinseattle

      Sorry ron. That is a personal position statement of a path i will not sign onto. You are free to follow it. But the moment you want me to live under it as law…ill “reach for my pistole” i object to the taliban over there and the talibanus americanus here at home.

      • Ron The Marine

        It is the WORD of GOD, and HIS WORD has been around longer than your and my miserable soul has, and eons before HE created sinful man! We are all messed up, we needed grace from a merciful GOD and HE gave us a Savior – HIS name is JESUS, HE paid for our sin with HIS righteous blood, so read the truth in John 3:16-17 “For GOD so so loved the world that HE gave HIS only begotten SON, that whoever believes in HIM should not perish but have everlasting life. For GOD did not send his SON into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through HIM might be saved.” So believe HIM not me while you are still on this side of eternity!

        Semper Fi (for HE is the great I AM!!!!)

      • http://N/A Charles R. Tuma

        Thank you! That’s the way I see it. My God save us from those who don’t understand the meaning of the words they quote.

  • Sol of Texas

    The vast majority of my fellow Amerikans are affected by political ADD. They care not to understand the concepts of Republic, Federalism, and Constitution.

    As a consequence they will not respond to events or issues based on principle, but rather, how they are guided in the short term by propaganda and advertising. It is a national flaw.
    .

    • Doc Sarvis

      First step – Repeal the conservative Supreme Court’s Citizen’s United decision.

      • Vigilant

        From http://commonsenseandchicks.com/

        “If you claim that ‘corporations are not people,’ then you must claim that unions are not people. The truth is, both are people, more precisely, groups of people.”

        Citizens United removed the unfair advantage that labor unions had for decades. Period.

      • Mamamia

        Yes !!!!!!!

    • waltinseattle

      nor should they. for to do so means living in the clouds of never never land, means being a true believer in ideas and ignoring the fact that they must be applied to ACTUAL SITUATIONS before the words mean squat. take that Platonic stuffit and back to the boy-loving greeks who invented it !
      !

  • CaroleAnn

    But Vigilant, no one is insisting that Unions be granted personhood.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Yes !!!!!!!

    • Mikey

      Unions use thug tactics and bribery to get what they want. Corporations use the legal status of a LLC to lobby for what they want. Big difference.

    • Vigilant

      CaroleAnn, you might find the following link useful: http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

      If unions are not persons, then they should discontinue their lopsidedly high donations to political causes. You have to go down to No. 19 on the list before you hit a decidedly Republican contribution ratio.

      They are definitely given personhood status when donating members’ money to political campaigns.

      Any more comments, Sarvis?

  • AWKingsley

    Republican-Libertarians won the election by staying home, writing-in for Ron Paul, and casting over 600,000 more votes for Gary Johnson than in 2008. We won the election by no having a new Globalist Socialist agenda from Romney to contend with in addition to all of the ones we have had in the past. Obama is breaking; we could see that in the debates. Keep the nullifications going and keep signing the petitions to withdraw from the union. We are moving toward State’s Right faster than we ever believed we could. What we are doing is clever, and the Federal Government will eventually have to heed what the American people want.

    • Doc Sarvis

      What the American people want is President Obama at the helm leading this country. Pretty obvious from the 11/4 results. The others are just putting their heads in the sand to avoid the serious work involved in building this country back up.

      • Mikey

        Doc’s right….SERIOUS work. So, all you lazy conservatives get to work. Millions of welfare parasites, greedy union thugs, and overpaid government workers need your paychecks!

  • nickkin

    RalphE. Ignorance is bliss…….you apparently are always in the present…..too bad you have no concrete evidence other than what is presently happening. That’s okay with me…it’s a good feeling to know believing where the future is for oneself. Only Christians know the feeling. But you can live a long life with the question marks always on your mind. Live for the SURPRISE, RalphE.

  • Deerinwater

    I only know what it isn’t ! and that’s what the GOP is attempting to make us believe it is.

    • nickkin

      Keep your eyes open Deer……the koran will give a different view about life and the hereafter…males = 72 virgins…….females= become a virgin, maybe ????????

  • bmyles1

    I really don’t believe there can be such a rthing as center libertarian or ‘moderate’ these are code words for socialism and has been replaced with progressive, who can possible be against progress? you see the Ruling class does exist and is sadly alive and well. I am Tea Party Constitutionalist, meaning the constitution was written for a reason and that reason has held us together and helped grow us into the worlds greatest power.. We are also a Republic of many different individuals with differnet opinions needs and wants. I do not care about a person’s sexual orientation, that is something he/she must decie on their own and face the consequences of that decision. In your discusstions here of sexuality and civil union vs marriage where does a person who is born intersexed or true hermaphrodite fit in?
    Yes that is a true sex known as the 3rd sex as they have the sexual parts of both male and female. are they condemded to hell and not allowed marriage,civil union? Is there room in our republic for the allowance of differences in both sexuality and relgious preference? I do hope so as our Republic was founded on those judeo/christian values. Do I consicer Islam as a Religion, my answer is no as it does not include tolerance for other religions. it is rather a movement and a way of controlling the masses thru indoctrination and fear. I Know our country is at a very dangerous point in it’s history one that it can continue as the worlds only free super power or succumb to the destructive forces that our elected Indonesian citizen has chosen and that is the reduction of america’s wealth and greatness to a 3rd world level. All the rest of this discussion here is moot if we travel down the road of socialism and ‘wealth redistribution on a world wide scale sort of a repatriation in the trillions of dollars to so called 3rd world countries to mae amends for our evil deeds.

  • http://petengc@aol,com Peter Sachs

    There is always impeachment, or find the real Birth document

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