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Celebrate Gun Appreciation Day

January 8, 2013 by  

Celebrate Gun Appreciation Day
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The gun grabbers in Congress have made it known that an onslaught of draconian anti-2nd Amendment legislative efforts is in store for Americans. But now gun rights supporters have a plan to fight back by supporting 2nd Amendment rights en masse on Jan. 19 during the newly created Gun Appreciation Day.

A coalition of political organizations, including  the Second Amendment Foundation, Revolution PAC, Citizens and Country, Conservative Action Alerts, Women Warriors PAC and others, have popularized the idea to organize against the President’s and Congress’ “post Sandy Hook assault on gun rights.”

“We have never had a president who so callously disregards the Constitution, Congress, the courts and the will of the American people,” said Gun Appreciation Day Chairman Larry Ward.

Organizers have called for supporters to celebrate the day by making gun purchases, visiting gun stores or simply wearing 2nd Amendment-supporting T-shirts and ball caps.

“We felt that there needed to be a swift, strong statement, Chick-fil-A style, to show that we’re not only here but we’re vocal,” Ward said, referring to the outpouring of conservative support for the chicken sandwich chain last year following statements made in support of traditional marriage by its president.

Jan. 19 is the day before Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) likely will introduce legislation for a harsh new assault weapon ban. It is two days before President Barack Obama, who has promised to initiate new gun control measures, is inaugurated for his second term.

Learn more about Gun Appreciation Day here.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • Buster the Anatolian

    It would be nice if all 80 million + gun owners showed up ” to celebrate the day by making gun purchases, visiting gun stores or simply wearing 2nd Amendment-supporting T-shirts and ball caps.”. I would add hold legal demonstrations in support of gun ownership.

    • Jonathan

      I plan to be at the event in Harrisburg, PA, open carrying.

      • Gordon

        6 minute video citing facts from the FBI website.
        Less than 3.5 % of crimes are commited with rifles of any kind.
        USA is the safest country in the world.

        http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/important-gun-violence-video-to-share-with-friends/

      • JC

        Careful Gordon,
        You wouldn’t want to confuse the hysterical left with facts.
        They just want affirmation of their preconceived idiotic notions no
        matter how silly and stupid they are.

      • http://yahoo Rocco

        I like how you are careful to only include rifles. how many crimes or deaths involved handguns? I believe in the 2nd amendment, but lets not shade the truth, guns make it alot easier to kill. That is the whole point. I don’t know who said it but this is true—”you can be free or you can be safe.”

    • John R. Howell

      Anybody who attends an outdoor rally supporting gun rights may find themselves targets by union thugs and other crazy people. John R. Howell

      • B-dawg

        Might be fun. I’ve been training in hand-to-hand for quite a few years now…

      • TIME

        Dear John,

        So what ~ are you afraid to stand up on your own two feet? Are you that much in fear of a few thugs? Really?

        What will you do cower in your bath room in fear that someone might hit you a few times? Really is that what you think John?

        If you will not stand up now, then do yourself a favor, just kill yourself and get it over with.

        As whats coming very soon will make a few thugs look like a sunny Sunday in May.

        Peace and Love, Shalom

      • Hedgehog

        John:
        If at least some of the marchers dressed in minuteman garb and carried loaded muskets, I doubt if anyone would be daft enough to attack them, other than the police!

      • mark

        Union thugs at a gun rally? That’s a new one.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Lord love a duck, John R. Howell—-you sound like an “other crazy people” yourself when you say that.

      • Jeff Meyer

        I wouldn’t worry about “union thugs”. There are far more gun owners and 2nd Amendment supporters than union members, and we are generally in better physical shape, armed, and smarter. Any union “thugs” that start something might be surprised to learn that we’re done being pushed around by them. JMHO, and God bless America!

      • Flashy

        Love the intelligence and thought being shown. Union thugs ???? i’d venture a large number of union blue collar workers are gun owners. You guys….just against anything and everything good for this nation. “Grab the guns! i’m rough, i’[m tough ! I don’t feel like a Man unless I can pack one !”

        Jeesh ….

      • Steve E

        I wish the union thugs would come. That would be one hell of a party.

      • eddie47d

        Jeff Meyers; There isn’t even a reason to bring up unions yet you had to squeeze it in. So what is your agenda again?

      • JC

        TIME says:

        January 8, 2013 at 8:05 am

        Dear John,

        So what ~ are you afraid to stand up on your own two feet? Are you that much in fear of a few thugs? Really?

        What will you do cower in your bath room in fear that someone might hit you a few times? Really is that what you think John?
        _______________________________________________________________________

        That was completely uncalled for. The man simply put out a friendly warning.
        And have you considered that his age might preclude physical confrontation?

        In the war for hearts and minds…that doesn’t help.

      • Coalminer

        John R. Howell says:
        January 8, 2013 at 7:21 am
        Anybody who attends an outdoor rally supporting gun rights may find themselves targets by union thugs and other crazy people. John R. Howell

        UNION THUG?
        I am a union man and proud of it.I am also one hundred percent pro gun.Where did you get that supid notion that union people are anti-gun.That is the most stupidest statement on this blog.I work 43 years in the coal mines and everyboy I work with own and carried a gun,brothers and sister union members.Most of us,not all us belong to NRA.We all believe in the second amendment.Try to break in or threaten a union man in his home,two tried it with me,they didn’t like the results.They are no longer among the living.

      • Harold Olsen

        That might be fun to watch. Union thugs going up against gun-rights people who will probably be carrying. Lock and load!

      • JC

        “Make no mistake about it: it is not just semi-automatic rifles that these gun grabbers are after. Ultimately, they want to take all of our guns. We either stop them now or there will be no stopping them at all.”

        See the column: My Line In The Sand Is Drawn Here!

        Among those who wrote to tell me that they had also drawn their personal line in the sand on this issue and that they would also absolutely refuse to register or surrender their firearms were people from virtually all walks of life: attorneys, realtors, bankers, teachers, physicians, civil servants, salesmen, truck drivers, tradesmen, pastors, law enforcement officers (including federal police officers), and military personnel–even special forces troops. Accordingly, I am absolutely convinced that these people are a microcosm of gun owners nationwide. I am also convinced that should Senator Dianne Feinstein’s bill banning semi-automatic rifles become law that there are literally tens of millions of Americans who simply will not comply.

        Full article: http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin735.htm

      • JC

        Another example of the “compassionate” left’s respect for our founding principles and human life in general. These people are NAZI Animals and the day may be coming that they’ll need to be stopped, in their tracks.

        “CNN and the gun grabbing media are now calling for Alex Jones to be shot the day after his heated appearance with Piers Morgan.
        In a segment on Piers Morgan’s CNN program, sports columnist for the Daily Beast, Buzz Bissinger, shockingly states:
        “I don’t care what the justification is that you’re allowed in this country to own a semi-automatic weapon – much less a handgun. But what do you need a semi-automatic weapon for? The only reason I think you’d need it is, Piers, challenge Alex Jones to a boxing match, show up with a semi-automatic that you got legally and pop him.”
        Abby Huntsman (Huffington Post) : “I’d love to see that… [laughter] in uniform.”
        Piers Morgan: “I’ll borrow my brothers uniform.”

        The other guests laugh and say they’d like to see it. Without a doubt, this amounts to a veiled threat.
        Earlier in the episode, another guest expressed hope that Alex Jones’ children would not be killed, which Jones’ says terrorized his children and family as they watched on from home.

        This call to violence from those demanding gun control is nothing new.
        Shortly after the Sandy Hook shooting massacre, advocates for firearms restrictions flooded Twitter and other mediums, demanding the murder of the NRA president and other NRA supporters.
        Here are some of those blatant threats, screen captured below:”

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Wcwjhk3V5ks

        As far as I’m concerned these left wing low lives are openly declaring
        war on all things American. Be Prepared.

      • Steve Thomas

        All it takes for tyranny to thrive, is for good men to do nothing!

      • Gordon

        Flashy, your comments reveal that you are totally clueless about guns

      • Steve Thomas

        And you are playing right into the hands of the anti 2nd amendment idiots, by needlessly trying to scare us with conspiracy theories.

      • Bob666

        Union thugs vs guns-Really?

        How about cowboys vs aliens…..

      • JAPCEC

        Who cares about a union incursion? I that supposed to deter or frighten me? Sorry. Try again!

      • steve

        In any right to carry state, union thugs will be staring down the wrong end of the barrel,I will be in Austin, January 19 bring them on.

      • AZ Don

        I actually doubt that will happen since many will be armed especially in right to carry states and others that have concealed carry laws. Now in Illinois maybe! However, the Illinois gun laws are just another reason to NOT live in that state. I can think of many more.

      • mark paveglio

        John, that response is what the thugs want from you! It’s fear and intimidation that they want. Grow a pair, and go to a public rally in support of gun ownership.

      • http://yahoo Don

        that was stupid. what would a union have to do with a gathering for guns. most gun enthusiats and owners are some of the most law abiding in this country. too bad the 99.991%percent have to pay for what so few do.

        • http://itsootsme.wordpress.com sootsme

          Many rank & file union members are also gun folks and also nice people. The “thugs” are another kettle of fish.
          I’m not big on unions myself, but their pay scale is way better than non-union. If I were union, maybe I could afford more guns. ;-)

    • eddie47d

      Will you all be brave enough to carry signs of all the dead bodies killed by gun toting nutjobs on Jan 19th? Kind of like the anti-abortion protesters who show billboard size pics of mangled fetuses. Now if you want to be “fair and balanced” as I know you all are (wink,wink) you’ll be eager to tell both sides of the story. You know “Joe Smith” was saved because he had a concealed carry permit and used it against a potential robber. Yet the next poster will have a sign of little “Tommy Wright” who was killed in a drive by shooting.We both know that will never happen because you are all hyped up on gun heroics instead the problems of gun tragedies!

      • tony newbill

        Heres a Great Story that shows why self defense needs to be part of this debate !!!!! http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/woman-hiding-kids-shoots-intruder/nTm7s/

      • TIME

        Dear Eddie,

        Will you hold up pictures / posters of all the mangled & broken bodys of the Hundreds of thousands of children that Barry Omen has killed by way of his Drone attacks in the Middle East day after day? Will you?

        Will the mass media show these pictures?

        Will Barry Omen show them?

        Will what you think is Congress show these pictures?

        War is Horror ~ MURDER is wrong!

        To own a Gun is neither wrong, nor foul in any way,

        To say that you will take no more from a CRIMINAL gang of Thugs known as the United States Inc. thats not only MORALE but its the only way to do it With Grace and Peace.

        Peace and Love Shalom.

      • Bill

        You should turn in all of your guns, Eddie. You do not appear smart enough to own them

      • Robert Young

        Eddie, what you don’t seem to grasp is that those committing the drive-by shootings, the school shootings, the theater and mall shootings, home invasions, rape, robbery with firearms, and other crimes are breaking numerous laws, NONE of which prevented the crimes because the people committing these crimes IGNORE and BREAK these laws. We do not need new laws which they will also break, we need ENFORCEMENT of existing laws by Law Enforcement and by the Courts giving maximum sentences for violent criminals to keep these people off our streets. Law abiding Citizens legally carrying and owning guns are NOT the problem.

      • jim robator

        we will if you help i carrying signs for allthe people that got killed from dronk drivers and people that got killed with hammers baseballbats and knives more people have been killed with those itemes than guns.

      • eddie47d

        Sorry to disappoint you TIME but yes I would be willing to hold up pictures of mangled bodies after drone attacks by Obama ,Bush or any other President who chooses to employ them. Now you can leave out your exaggerations because world wide about 172 children have been killed by drones not “hundreds of thousands” Adults killed are in the hundreds not thousands also. The media does report on all drone attacks and the body count but its not always easy to get pictures at the scene of the crime. If they could I’m sure they would be shown. Look how many years it took to reveal the My Lai massacre and millions still doubted it even happened or simply didn’t care. Your quote “to own a gun is neither foul or wrong in anyway”. Please go out and tell that to those who died at the hands of James Holmes. Enough of the sugar coating!

      • Hedgehog

        Hi Eddie:
        In the interests of fairness perhaps people should carry posters of gun rights opponents with the circle/slash sign where their heart is. And one special one of Feinstein (the wicked witch of the west) with just her head showing out one side of a house and her feet, in ruby slippers of course, out the other side. Obama could be shown covered in slime (the wizard of ooze). Any other movie characters I leave to the imagination.

      • theonethatknows

        Yup…you know what you are talking about…you haven’t a clue! What a moron you are!

      • http://MSN Gregg

        eddie47d you are sure wanting to throw the consition away. if your so dam unhappy about guns in this country move to a country that does not allow guns see how that works out for you.yes you are allowed to run your socialist mouth against our second amendment.its in the first amendment remember this if the second amendment gets taken away it will not belong before the first amendment will be taken away.there has been a awful lot of good people that have fought and died to protect your right to spew your socialist B/S. I pray to God we dont lose our ability to keep our consitional rights because of idiots like you who run at the mouth but neaver chck acual facts about gun control you just listen to the socialist party (which is called the democratic party now) then start repeating it like a record player so grow a brain check out the true facts on gun control and be a american not a comrade

      • http://personallibertydigest sav

        The description you chose tells it all; ” gun toting nutjobs”. I wonder how many of these “nutjobs” there are compared to sensible, responsible gun supporters?

      • eddie47d

        Hedgehog I’m sure you will have plenty of nasty posters at this rally especially anti-Obama and that is your right of free speech but as I said you will leave out the other side of the truth.

      • eddie47d

        Gregg; No I’m against your gun in every pot insanity not the Constitution or the Second Amendment. You will not loose your right to defend yourself so please point out where I said that. Isn’t it wonderful you have the right to “run your” Fascist “mouth”!

      • SarahR

        The latest two tragedies could have been minimal had someone been carrying a weapon to stop them. Is that too had for you to understand??? To stop a BAD guy with a gun you need a GOOD guy with a gun.

      • TIME

        Dear Eddie,

        No I am not wrong on the numbers of Children that have been killed by Drone attacks,

        But your numbers are, oddly your numbers are that of the mass media’s feckless attempts at placation of the American condition, { thus I know where you get your intel.}

        As to your displaying posters and pictures of these helpless children ~ Good start doing so.

        Peace and Love, Shalom.

      • Vicki

        Eddie47d writes
        “Now if you want to be “fair and balanced” as I know you all are (wink,wink) you’ll be eager to tell both sides of the story.”

        As I am sure liberals like eddie are rushing to do. This is why they tell you about the thousands of people killed every year by a PERSON who used a gun but don’t ever mention the millions of people every year who were NOT killed when they used a gun in self defense. http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6111

        Nor will they mention the 50+ MILLION owners of guns who have NEVER even shot someone with a gun let alone killed anyone.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        January 8, 2013 at 10:32 am

        Gregg; No I’m against your gun in every pot insanity not the Constitution or the Second Amendment.”

        Interesting. I re read Gregg’s comment and didn’t find anything about pots or guns in pots. Liberals often put words in other peoples mouths. Eddie appears to be no exception.

        Eddie47d also claims to not be against the 2nd amendment and even says something to make you feel that he means it by saying
        “You will not loose your right to defend yourself so please point out where I said that.”

        This statement is probably true. I don’t recall eddie ever saying you could not defend yourself. He just doesn’t want you to use the best tools for that job.

        But he clearly doesn’t actually believe in the 2nd amendment as he is constantly trying to limit the guns he would allow you to carry. Even his mis-quoting you with respect to guns and pots shows that he doesn’t really support the 2nd Amendment.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “….. you will leave out the other side of the truth.”

        Since the other side of truth is lie why would they not leave it out?

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        Well one thing about it, you can always count on Flashy, dashie and eddie teddy 47 ways to be a commie to come in with their marxist idea’s so full of holes and lies you could drive a tank through them. Two nut jobs who love slavery, since they drink the cool ade of the left wing plantation owners. Idiots with a axe to grind again freedom loving American’s.

      • JeffH

        As has become a daily ritual with eddie and his cohorts, there’s never been a leash holding back stupid!

        eddie, why don’t you guys and gals just this one time cut the crap and just say what you actually believe rather than what you say in your daily ignorant comments and ignorant generalizations.

        You hate guns, gun owners and you don’t believe there is any difference between law abiding gun owners and criminals. You hate our founding fathers and what they gave to all of us, The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution.

        You also love communism/socialism/marxism/facism/progressivism, although you all continue to deny it, and that you fully support any and all of their anti-American, anti-Constitutional agendas that your enemies across the aisle
        hold near and dear to their hearts.(that’s those of us that still believe in Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness in America as our Founders did without the Big Crony Governments illegal overeach)

        As a gun owner in California, I have become a victim of California’s onerous anti-gun laws and anti-gun government. There are legal gun shops and individual private gun sellers that refuse to do business with me because I live in the “Republik of Kommiefornia” despite the fact that every gun shipped to private parties like myself MUST be shipped to a licensed FFL holder/dealer and I must pass the required DOJ/FBI background check and a 10 day waiting period before the gun can be released to me. I have no problem with a background check which is usually accomplished in just a few hours but having to wait 10 days is ludicrous and the penalty I must pay for living in California.
        _________________________________________

        IN LIGHT OF PENDING LEGISLATION, SEE “A LEGACY OF INJUSTICE” AGAIN.

        This alarming video is about the “Victims of California’s Indecipherable “Assault Weapon” Law Banning Certain Modern Sporting Rifles”. It Is Now More Compelling Than Ever.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14URdqHJRcQ

      • eddie47d

        Vickie,12:27: Since the other side isn’t lying about these important gun issues you calling them liars make you the liar. I also don’t see a thing wrong with anyone bringing up the right to self defense or when a person such as a store owner shooting a perp.

      • eddie47d

        There again TIME there is no evidence that hundreds of thousands of children have been killed by DRONES. Funny how no one (Vickie) doesn’t catch you on that lack of credibility for it is almost impossible to even guess at a number that high. Now if you were talking about Hiroshima I may have bought into it.

      • eddie47d

        I always cut to the chase in what I believe Jeff H so why don’t you stop with the lies and deceiving comments? Nowhere have I said I don’t support the Constitution so your saying different makes you a Judas. Your lies about me are piling up like King Kong’s excrement.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        January 8, 2013 at 10:25 am

        Hedgehog I’m sure you will have plenty of nasty posters at this rally especially anti-Obama and that is your right of free speech but as I said you will leave out the other side of the truth.
        ___________________________________________________________________
        And what is the other side of the truth?
        That criminals can get guns. Yep! They can, and no matter what you do, they will.
        So we’re keeping ours…in fact the American public is on a gun buying spree like never before seen in history. How’s that “gun control agenda” working out so far?

      • JeffH

        eddie, that was the very point of my posting…you and your ilk don’t say it and you and your ilk don’t admit it.

        Unlike you I don’t have to lie about anything. Cry wolf all you like, it doesn’t change any of the facts…that you are a proven and consistant liar and slanderer and probably the biggest hypocrit on any blog, let alone here at PLD.

        As Mr. Livingston has pointed out, and many of us agree and have been pointing this fact out for several years now, you’re either delusional or as dumb as a sack of hammers. Personally, I think it’s both and I know that you are so stubborn that you are willing to endure endless ridicule to avoid admmiting it!

      • JeffH

        eddie, for you to say I am a “judas” clearly shows just how ignorant you really are. I am not, nor have I ever been, your friend nor have I ever betrayed you into believing we could be.

      • Guest

        Don’t try laying off your guilt trip on us Eddie! Having been personally maimed by a firearm myself I nonetheless harbor no ill will towards any law abiding citizen owning as many as they can afford and of whatever variety they so choose. The gun laws that were on the books at the time of my being shot did nothing to prevent a criminal from nearly taking my life. It happened then, it happens now and it will continue to happen so long as there are those in our society who have no respect for life. So give it a rest already.

      • Coalminer

        This is to John R. Howell eddie.I left out T in stupid and should have been question mark; not a period.
        Where did you get that stupid notion that union people are anti-gun?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Coalminer asks, “Where did you get that stupid notion that union people are anti-gun?”

        Good question, Coalminer, and I’ll give you my two cents. In my opinion, he has let himself be brainwashed by the large number of folks on this site who are PRO-gun and at the same time ANTI-union, as stupid as that may sound to you and me. So poor John says to himself “Let’s see, the folks who are so much for guns are very much against unions, that must mean that union folks are against guns!—-if they aren’t against guns, the pro-gun folks would like them more”.

        If you can follow that logic and believe it, you are a better “thinker” than I am. Actually, the anti-union thing here is just a small part of the brainwashing that goes on. Keep coming back to PLD and see what I mean.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “….. you will leave out the other side of the truth.”

        Since the other side of truth is lie why would they not leave it out?eddie47d says:

        eddie47d says:
        “Since the other side isn’t lying about these important gun issues you calling them liars make you the liar.”

        Proof by bald assertion and irrelevant.

        Since I did not say some mythical “other” side is or is not lying your statement makes even less sense than the one I commented on where you compared the truth to a story.

        The correct English statement should have been “you will leave out the other side of the STORY”

        All I did was observe that there is truth and there is it’s opposite. There really is no other side to truth. It stands on its own.

        You chose to infer that I was calling someone a liar.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Funny how no one (Vickie) doesn’t catch you”

        Do you know what a double negative is?

      • JC

        eddie47d says:
        January 8, 2013 at 7:28 am
        Will you all be brave enough to carry signs of all the dead bodies killed by gun toting nutjobs on Jan 19th?
        _______________________________________________________________
        Will you be brave enough to spit on all the dead bodies of all the brave men and women who gave their lives to earn us the freedom we have (had). The freedom you use to shoot off your mouth and run down our Constitution and American values you slimy low life?
        You “liberal” parasites can keep talking…But try and take anyone’s guns and you will find out what “whoop ass” really means.

      • Leroy

        Well I see you are back and still have your brown neck scarf that keeps your head at a constant 98.6 degrees on. Does keeping your head in that dark warm place leave a bad taste in your mouth? I figured as much, that must be why you have such a crappy outlook on everything.

      • eddie47d

        JC: Your double pathetic and even dumber than “a sack of hammers”! Your slander and ignorance is noted!

      • eddie47d

        Vickie is equally disingenuous when she’s worried about a “double negative” instead of answering the question! That’s duck and cover!

      • eddie47d

        Jeff as per usual lies about lying and runs like a scared rabbit when asked a question! What a bunch!

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        January 9, 2013 at 7:10 am

        JC: Your double pathetic and even dumber than “a sack of hammers”! Your slander and ignorance is noted!
        ______________________________________________________________________
        Slander? Yeah right…
        I see you were quick to refute the idea that you don’t support our troops or our Constitution…no wait a minute…
        That was “just fine” with you…Anti-American low life.

      • JeffH

        eddie, your lying has been verifiable and proven since the get-go and you know it.

        I do owe you an apology though…for calling you a pathalogical liar. No, your not pathalogical, your just a COMPULSIVE LIAR!

        After some extensive research into behavioral problems like yours here at PLD, that’s the only conclusion I can come up with that makes sense.

        A compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small. For a compulsive liar, telling the truth is very awkward and uncomfortable while lying feels right. Compulsive lying is usually thought to develop in early childhood, due to being placed in an environment where lying was necessary. For the most part, compulsive liars are not overly manipulative and cunning (unlike sociopaths), rather they simply lie out of habit – an automatic response which is hard to break and one that takes its toll on a relationship (see, how to cope with a compulsive liar).

        The terms Pathological Liar, Habitual Liar and Chronic Liar are often used to refer to a Compulsive Liar which, I beleive, supports my conclusion.

        Now, if anybody feels I’ve erred in my opinion and study of eddie, feel free to point the err of my ways.

      • capncrunched

        Meanwhile your Kenyan Messiah is busy blowing little Pakistani children into big pink mists with Predator drones using Hellfire missiles. Why don’t YOU get a sign and protest that? (Oh wait, I forgot that you’re a LIBERAL and you don’t mind killing at all, so long as it’s done by people wearing the proper costumes and badges.)

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Vickie is equally disingenuous when she’s worried about a “double negative” instead of answering the question! That’s duck and cover!”

        What eddie wrote was:
        “January 8, 2013 at 2:59 pm

        There again TIME there is no evidence that hundreds of thousands of children have been killed by DRONES. Funny how no one (Vickie) doesn’t catch you on that lack of credibility for it is almost impossible to even guess at a number that high. Now if you were talking about Hiroshima I may have bought into it.”

        No question marks. No questions directed to anyone let alone to me.
        To duck and cover from a question you would have to actually pose a question.

      • Steve Thomas

        Guns do not CAUSE tragedies. People doped up on prescription drugs and criminals do. If you are PRO secomd amendment, clean up your vocabulary. Stop allowing the libertards to change terminology so that there is no right way to respond. (i.e. Do you STILL beat your wife?) Do not say “gun problem”, “assault rifle” etc. The libs have bastardized many tems to fit their agenda…I refuse to play along.

      • johnny

        Two million times a year Americans use guns to stop major felonies,thats lot of lives saved and the good use of guns far ,far surpasses the bad use.The good people far outnumber the bad and guns are how we protect ourselves from them.You lib parasites are picking a fight and you are getting one.Self defense is the basis of all law and this right existed before any institution of man.It’s called natural law, and no one has the right to take it. Talking to you is like talking to a klansman.Your culture hatred and prejudice and bigotry is staggering.Read “More Guns Less Crime ” John Lott and “The Bias against Guns “By John Lott

      • http://yahoo Don

        eddie, you were talking about heroic and joe smith . i’d like to add my peice. i’m not trying to stir you. the places that the shootings took place in were gun free zone. business owners and local and state government s set up these rules. the school might have been a federal government rule. does that stop the criminal or the crazies. too bad there is’nt more concealed carry in these places. maybe when they get their premit make them like reserve officers. if there would have been a concealed carry in the theater a lot of lives might have been saved.i don’t like nut cases shooting kids. too bad a teacher or two did’nt have a gun locked up for in case. you give the gun owners and pro-gun people crap.. i am part of the 99.9991% of the law abiding gun ownings. figure the ratio of killer to killers the one ar the school 35,000,000:1 what have we had for these shootings in this country 5 or6. the ratio wouuld be 350,000,000:5. the way you talk it seems all gun owners are a murdering brood. they are nut cases.

    • Jim K

      If you really want to have an impact on the “system” you merely have to routinely trade guns with your friends. Large scale legal exchanges of firearms by non-dealers where a form 4473 is not required will render the tracking system moot. Make January 19th a real Gun Exchange Day.

      • Flashy

        So Jim…you don’t want to know who’s supplying the guns to the bad guys? Really?

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:
        “So Jim…you don’t want to know who’s supplying the guns to the bad guys? Really?”

        We know who is supplying guns to the bad guys.
        http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/

      • carrobin

        Next, a Serial Killers Appreciation Day.

      • JC

        Jim K,

        The Canadian Shooring Sports Assoc. did exactly that when the gun registry was killed (with good reason) in Canada. They didn’t trust that the Government had destroyed the information and tens of thousands of guns changed hands. Keep in mind Canada’s population is one tenth that of the US.

      • Steve Thomas

        carrobin: By pushing the same old FAILED policies, YOU ARE AN ACCOMPLICE TO MURDER. Yes, I am saying that you have the blood of those children on your hands.
        Politicians and CRIMINALS prefer unarmed citizens.

    • mark

      Never gonna happen. Most gun owners are very reasonable, normal people who have better things to do on a Saturday.

      • SarahR

        Ah, but you underestimate Patriotic Americans. We will be doing something to show you can’t tread on us.

      • eddie47d

        Normal gun owners don’t have a thing to fear about being “treaded on”. You need to worry more about the oddballs out there carrying weapons. There will destroy your rights faster than someone trying to halt the violence.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        January 8, 2013 at 1:55 pm

        Normal gun owners don’t have a thing to fear about being “treaded on”. You need to worry more about the oddballs out there carrying weapons. There will destroy your rights faster than someone trying to halt the violence.

        ______________________________________________________________________

        And the Queen of the oddballs is Diane Feinstein and her CCW permit. ;-)

      • capncrunched

        Eddie47d: “Normal gun owners don’t have a thing to fear about being “treaded on”. You need to worry more about the oddballs out there carrying weapons. There will destroy your rights faster than someone trying to halt the violence.”
        - Ah, you must be talking about the people who want to put guards in schools? I agree, THAT might help halt the violence! But you liberals don’t want that. You’d rather have MORE kids butchered – as many as it takes for you to finally have your 1930s socialist’s wet dream of civilian disarmament.
        People like you are either willfully ignorant, or flat-out evil (like Feinstein and Schumer.) I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you’re the former for now.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Normal gun owners don’t have a thing to fear about being “treaded on”. You need to worry more about the oddballs out there carrying weapons. There will destroy your rights faster than someone trying to halt the violence.”

        The “oddballs” out there trying to destroy our rights typically carry weapons while claiming that weapons are evil and should not be carried. The few who don’t carry themselves hire bodyguards who DO carry. Hypocrites.

      • Steve Thomas

        A real big issue here should be that about 75 percent of Americans support the second AS WRITTEN. (i.e. shall not be infringed) And the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on it…supporting the constitution. So were do the libertards get off wasting more of our tax dollars on this??!!!!???

    • ranger09

      Buster, I prefer your last statement, This thing they have planned sounds more like a advertizing rally than a demo of our rights. heck the Ilegals, The naacp have better rallys than this.

      • Steve Thomas

        Let’s plan to participate AND spread the word…that is how “rallies” grow. Here in Texas, parking places are all ready hard to come by at a gun shop on ANY saturday.

    • Penny R. Freeman

      I’m not against ANY action that shows Obama, his big business, and his union pals we won’t back down. But I would think the way people have been buying guns and ammo would be statement enough to make those cowards run to their basements and hope they can’t be found. There was a gun show here last week and the line to get in stretched longer than a football field. There’s going to be another one just across the state line today and tomorrow and the same turnout is expected. Dealers can’t keep stock it’s flying out the door so fast. We made a short stop by the local Wal-Mart yesterday and their supply of ammo was down to less than one-fourth what their case would hold. I can tell you one thing is sure, Mississippians aren’t about to give in on their second amendment rights without an all out fight. People in this country have been cowering in the face of the freedom from religion asses and everyone else that has attacked our right to freedom of religion and of speech, but hitting on second amendment rights is not a smart move. I say tell Obummer and all his high priced pals this is one they won’t exempt themselves from. If they get protection even if they’re too cowardly to protect themselves then they can’t tell us what to do about this. And the harder they push the new Obamacare crap the louder you need to scream reminding the libtards they’re the ones that brought that about and the ones that allowed Congress to exempt themselves from that, and other, laws.

    • JCfromDC

      It would be REALLY “nice” for all of us to show up in DC on Inauguration Day… armed, now that he DC gun ban has been ruled unconstitutional.

    • http://personalliberty.com Sheldon

      I like the idea of an open carry month like July, 2013. It also coincides with the commemoration of our Independence day. I suggest rifles and also using military engagement rules. God help us.

  • http://gillysdailynews.blogspot.com Gilly from Australia

    Hey guys, look what I found for sale in Australia?

    Lot No# 167
    COLT 1861 SPECIAL U.S. RIFLED MUSKET, ROUND BARREL, STOCK HAS BEEN SHORTENED TO FORAGER LENGTH AND HELD IN PLACE WITH SINGLE BARREL BAND, LOCKPLATE MARKED �U.S. COLT�S PT F.A. MFG CO. HARTFORD. CT.�, DATED �1862� TO REAR OF LOCKPLATE, STEEL FITTINGS, CRESCENT MOON BUTT PLATE, STOCK HAS SOME OLD REPAIRS AND SEEN AN ACTIVE LIFE, THIS IS A SCARCE ITEM AND WAS USED DURING THE CIVIL WAR, .58 CAL.

    Estimate
    $850-1250

    ——————————————————————————–

    Lot No# 161
    HALF STOCKED PERCUSSION KENTUCKY RIFLE OCTGAONAL BARREL WITH GERMAN SILVER FRONT BLADE SIGHT, UNDER BARREL RIB, BRASS TRIGGER GUARD & BUTT PLATE, DOUBLE SET TRIGGERS, COMPLETE WITH RAM ROD, NORMAL DENTS AND DINGS, CIRCA 1840�S, .43 CAL.

    Estimate
    $1200-1695

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Don’t rush out to buy them yet, Gilly. Wait a while for the prices to come down, as they surely will. Folks over here are madly updating their arsenals and unloading their old weapons Folks have realized that the weapons from the era in which their political thinking is mired won’t cut it in a modern “firefight” and are trading their them in for Bushmasters. (and some really Colt Navy 1861′s are being traded in on ugly Glocks).

      Too bad “some folks over here” can’t update their “muzzle loading” political thinking along with their firearms.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        ooops—-too early in the am—-meant to say “really NICE Colt Navy’s”—-beautiful gun

      • capncrunched

        Hey Right Brain Thinker,
        Maybe more people with their political thinking “mired” in Enlightenment-era classical liberalism isn’t such a bad thing.
        It certainly would be better than TODAY’S political thinking! When “modern” 21st-century politics isn’t promoting TRULY ARCHAIC political ideas (like concentrating power in the hands of a small elite) it’s misdirecting ordinary people into thinking that meaningless banalities – such as the idea that allowing men to legally shove their d!cks up each other’s turdpipes in Holy Matrimony is vital to American freedom – are human rights issues of the first order. (God help us all!)

    • Bill

      I’ll pass. Give me an AR-15 any day

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Nah, shotgun for close in and .30 cal for longer range. The AR-15 is not a “real” gun in my old brain (the M-1 is)—-looks funny, feels funny, and hardly kicks. I’m saving up my pennies for a Beretta Extrema. If you want to have some fun this a.m., google “Beretta Extrema YouTube video” and watch the 3:19 minute clip. This guy can REALLY shoot and the gun itself is wet-dream inducing.

      • JC

        I’ve seen that video. My wife wants the same shotgun because of the reduced kick.
        I settled for a Mossberg 930 Field and Security Semi Auto. Interchangeable barrels and works just fine.

      • cawmun cents

        Bottom line:
        Does it chamber 3 1/2″ magnums?
        If it does not….get rid of it…..A 3 1/2″ magnum holds 18,thirty caliber pellets.
        That’s pert nyar a twenty round clip from an Uzi.,,,,in one shot.
        Tahe that Frankenstei…er uh…Feinstein!
        CHEERS!
        -CC.

  • r b

    it is ironically amusing that the very people who complain about gun restrictions are the very same people who support gun restrictions.
    they only complain when they will be restricted.

    • John R. Howell

      r b, your note defies analysis. You must be drunk. John R. Howell

      • r b

        your ignorance & denial is expected. as is your inability to comprehend.

        the average gun supporter is the same person that supports restricting whom may own a gun, based on criminal record, mental and physical limitations or age.

        the supporters of these current restrictions only complain when new restrictions would include them.

        like you, they are simply too stupid to understand that they opened the door to restrictions.

        when you take away one individuals rights, you have effectively given away your own.

        you made it simple and easy for the passage of even more restrictions by the precedence that you set.

        your only recourse will be more inane self perceived insults and illogical conclusions and assumptions.

        that should sway the politicians.

      • JeffH

        rb, is that your opinion or do you have verifiable statistics and links you can post to support your opinion?

        I say you are wrong and can’t support your opinion with any veifiable facts.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        In the absence of “DaveH” on this thread (he’s busy crapping up the discussion on another one), “JeffH” in in charge of saying dumb things and takes rb to task, saying,:

        “rb, is that your opinion or do you have verifiable statistics and links you can post to support your opinion?”

        AHA!—the old “show me your VERIFIABLE statistics and LINKS” thingy that “they-him-both” use to distract and disrupt. I wish “JeffH” could make up his mind, though—-he first asks “is that your opinion?”, then decides it IS when he talks about “supporting” it. Small word “or”, but it DOES have meaning (and it’s not the same as “and”).

        Yeah, it sure looks like an opinion to me, and it may not be written in perfectly clear and elegant language, but it DOES hang together and DOES have some good thoughts that probably CAN be “verified” if anyone wanted to waste the time to prove anything to “JeffH”. In other words, it’s an “argument”, the next step up from a mere “opinion”

        So, Jeffy, in closing let me say that YOU are the one who is wrong when you say rb is wrong, because you have given NO facts or arguments AT ALL to refute his OPINION (that included arguments). rb wins—you lose—go away..

      • JeffH

        Is that more half witted drivel coming from Half Brain Thinker? Absolutley!

        Keep posting Half Wit Thinker so the rest of the poster can see just how much ignorance you progressive shills can spew.

        Question? Will you now devote 2 or 3 more paragraphs or posts of nothings to your already long list of nothings?

      • JC

        rb is amused with some perceived irony? When it was decided not to give felons and mental patients guns, we opened the door to restrictions? That makes no sense at all.
        How did you even make a connection like that?

        First of all we all have the right to keep and bear…”unless” for good reason we shouldn’t. A pattern of criminal behavior or a demonstrable inability to understand the responsibility of gun ownership would be two very good reasons to restrict ownership.
        It does not change the meaning of everyone else’s right to keep and bear.

        Going by the basis of your “theory”, when we decided blind people probably shouldn’t drive a car, we opened the door to everyone being barred from driving.

        WTF?

        • ed

          “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” Period. Straight from the supreme law of the land (Remember? the Constitution), and our Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that anything in conflict with the Constitution, even if in the form of a “law” is not a law and is null and void from the start. Permits, restrictions and prohibitions are all with in this invalid class of stuff. See http://www.sheriffmack.com for more details. Further, county sheriffs and those they deputize are the supreme LEOs in their counties, trumping all other local, state, and especially federal officials. Join your local Sheriff’s Auxiliary, folks, and then start arresting the clowns who attempt to violate your Constitutional rights for treason, and for acting improperly “under color of law”. Sun Tzu would approve…

  • Flashy

    It should be called Cede All Reason and Responsibility Day. Or “It’s all about me” Day.

    Nut cases, extremists, and big money will all be on display that day.

    • vanessa

      another one of those PAID infiltrators , way to go flashy, its all about the second amendment which guards the rest of them.

    • AChuck

      Sorry Flashy, I doubt very many “Obamanites will be there! Like you: they will be home hiding under their beds.

    • Flashy

      Vanessa.

      Would you argue a gun is a dangerous instrument? Would you argue that the 2nd already has burdens such as felons, mentally insane, etc are barred from owning? Would you argue that we have gun free zones? Would you argue types of weapons may be regulated (sawed off shotguns for example, the prior assault weapons ban for another, machine guns for a third)? Would you argue that we should be able to backtrack guns of the bad guys so we can nail those supplying the bad guys? Would you argue that anyone owning a gun has a responsibility to be careful, knowledgeable about the weapon, and responsible in ownership?

      OK…so what’s the beef? Where in any of those above has your right to own a gun been banned?

      Instead, you call for the arming of America, the disregarding of any other Rights of others, and selfish childish “it’s all about me’ attitude. . In other words, you want to behave like a problem spoiled child. yet object when people begin to treat you as you are behaving..a spoiled, selfish child.

      So..what’s your beef?

      • jim robator

        you should get a real life

      • eddie47d

        Flashy; Don’t expect an honest answer to each of your questions to Vanessa and I noticed in her comment below is just more hyperbole from her!

      • Hedgehog

        Flashy:
        My beef, as a Canadian is that once Obama has finished subjugating you Americans, his next logical step is to invade Canada to extend his empire and incidentally appropriate our resources. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that our government is negotiating with China, to get a resource treaty. They probably figure that Communist China can’t be worse than the 666ocracy O’dogma has planned for you. Better you should whittle him down a bit before his storm troopers cross the border and get their frozen a$$es shot off!

      • eddie47d

        That’s a new one on me Hedgehog.Can’t tell if you are being serious or facetious! LOL! Either way it doesn’t make you look rational!

      • Vicki

        Flashy says to Vanessa.
        “Would you argue a gun is a dangerous instrument?”

        Would you argue that a knife is a dangerous instrument?

        Flashy: “Would you argue that the 2nd already has burdens such as felons, mentally insane, etc are barred from owning?”

        Felons are in jail. Ex-felons are not. Do you argue that they loose their God given right to defend themselves with the best tool for the job?

        Mentally insane are in institutions. (WHAT? You let them out? That’s insane)

        Flashy: “Would you argue that we have gun free zones?”

        Would you argue that all recent mass shootings were mysteriously only in gun free zones like schools and military bases?

        Wait a minute. Military bases gun free? Why yes. Thanks to Clinton’s Administration and never repealed.
        http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-military-base-gun-ban/

        Flashy: “Would you argue types of weapons may be regulated (sawed off shotguns for example, the prior assault weapons ban for another, machine guns for a third)?”

        I would argue that those regulations are unconstitutional infringements.

        Flashy: “Would you argue that we should be able to backtrack guns of the bad guys so we can nail those supplying the bad guys?”

        I would argue that it is useless and irrelevant.

        Flashy: “Would you argue that anyone owning a gun has a responsibility to be careful, knowledgeable about the weapon, and responsible in ownership?”

        I would argue that anyone owning a gun has a responsibility to be careful, knowledgeable about the weapon, and responsible in ownership?

        Flashy: “OK…so what’s the beef? Where in any of those above has your right to own a gun been banned?”

        Cleverly hidden in your “…the prior assault weapons ban for another….” comment.

        Flashy: “Instead, you call for the arming of America, the disregarding of any other Rights of others,”

        Do name those rights. It should be edifying. Especially since you have not answered that question in the past.

        (ad hominem attack deleted)

      • Flashy

        Vicki…a knife is a) utilized for something other than killing. When used as a weapon, It is a close in and one can either escape or obtain a longer weapon (for argument sake…a baseball bat)

        Can’t recall your other inane non point comments.

        As to my Rights? i have answered. Expensively. A long post how i descibed how the 2nd has been and can be burdened to allow the other rights to co-exist. Specifically, the Preamble to the Constitution, the First, The Fourteenth, and quite possibly the Ninth (if you have read the writings of Justice Douglas, there is active and interesting viewpoints on the Ninth)

      • eddie47d

        All Vickie did was answer a question with another question instead what was asked. Next time answer the question if you want THEN present your own.

      • Rick

        Flashy,, I’m not Vanessa but let me try to answer your questions. First, is a gun a dangerous intrusment? if that is how it is used then yes. A knife or baseball bat an be just as dangerous. second, Felons and mentally ill not being allowed to own firearms is not a burden on the 2nd admendment It is part of the consequences for their behavior. Third, gun free zones they exist, but they would be more accurately called resistance free zone or easy target zones. Fourth, restrictions of various weapons are in place but are and need to be called unconstitutional. Fifth, Back trace firearms. in most cases firearms used in crimes are not purchased legally. and therefore moot. We need less gun control and more criminal control. lock them up and weld the door shut for murder or other violent crimes not a slap on the wrist. As for gun owners responsability you have that one completely right. But I agree with Vanessa what rights are taken from anyone by a person owning a firearm?

      • JC

        Hedgehog says:

        January 8, 2013 at 9:34 am

        Flashy:
        My beef, as a Canadian is that once Obama has finished subjugating you Americans, his next logical step is to invade Canada
        ______________________________________________________________________

        Hedgehog, it wouldn’t be Americans per se….
        Canada, like the US has “UN” treaties that allow for the UN to put men at arms in sovereign territories if and when the Governments there having jurisdiction declare a state of emergency due to civil unrest. Kind of wide open for interpretation isn’t it?

        But! Canadians, Like Americans are arming up. Two of the last western nations that allow civilian gun ownership are going to be very well defended by We The People and a whole bunch of pissed off Canucks if it comes right down to it. ;-)

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:
        “Vicki…a knife is a) utilized for something other than killing. When used as a weapon, It is a close in and one can either escape or obtain a longer weapon (for argument sake…a baseball bat)”

        So you DO understand the point of range in a fight. Yet I bet you still deny it.

        Flashy: “Can’t recall your other inane non point comments.”

        Probably cause you can’t recall your inane non point questions :) Then again you could just read them. They are right there above. And I did do you the courtesy of reading yours.

        Flashy: “As to my Rights? i have answered. Expensively. A long post how i descibed how the 2nd has been and can be burdened to allow the other rights to co-exist.”

        Do share with us again as we may have missed it.

        Flashy: “Specifically, the Preamble to the Constitution, the First, The Fourteenth, and quite possibly the Ninth (if you have read the writings of Justice Douglas, there is active and interesting viewpoints on the Ninth)”

        I don’t think that you know the actual meaning of “Specifically”
        “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

        Nothing in there places any restriction on your right to keep and bear arms. Nor does it restrict my right to keep and bear arms, nor does it show any possible conflict between my many rights and your right to keep and bear arms.

        Flashy: “…the First,..”

        Nothing there that “burdens” your right to keep and bear arms.

        Flashy: “…the Fourteenth,..”

        Nothing there that “burdens” your right to keep and bear arms.

        Flashy: “…and quite possibly the Ninth…”

        Ah. Now in there you might find something. But first you need to be specific.

      • Vicki

        Now to help flashy with specifics I shall ask a question that he has specifically failed to answer several times in the (recent) past.

        Flashy tells Momo:
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/01/obama-opens-fire/#comment-797127
        “..Take it (a gun) outside the home, then you begin to affect my life, my safety, my Rights.”

        Now to the question.
        Flashy. Just for the edification of the masses what Rights of yours are affected by Momo having a gun in her possession outside her home?

        Extra points for answering HOW it affects them.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Next time answer the question if you want THEN present your own.”

        Why thanks for the advice. Since that is what I did I think your advice is sound.
        Not sure why you bothered to say it though.

    • TIME

      Dear F,

      Yet again with more of your feckless post, again so how is it Mr. F Shill you have the same IP number as how many people who post the same feckless rhetoric daily?

      Again the odds of you having the same IP Number as all these other special people just like you, is the same as being eaten by a Great White Shark in the middle of the Gobi Desert.

      Peace and Love Shalom

      • Flashy

        Time….where did that rant come from. And not knowing anything about IP addresses other than they are supposed to be specific…I won’t argue with you. So you are wondering how people of all ideologies, writing skills, and posting content were accused of being from the same IP? I and several othrs had that same question. No one ever got the answer to that question. As for me, i dropped it as a waste of time argument since nothing was going to be forthcoming showing the basis of the accusation.

        Now…let’s talk about reasonable and common sense attitude towards guns…

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Hey, TIME. I’m new to PLD and don’t know anything about this “same IP number” business that you throw about so casually. How about filling me in? I’m sure there are others here who don’t know what you’re talking about either. Who are the “other special people” with the same IP numbers? How did anyone find out about someone’s IP number?—-isn’t that a privacy issue?—-wouldn’t Bob L protect everyone’s privacy rights and make sure that info was kept secret?

        And do you smile when you post “Peace and Love Shalom”?. Your postings don’t seem to be much “peace and love”. Or are you speaking in “old testament language” when you say that?

      • momo

        @tony newbill, Yeah Morgan made it over to this side of the pond because his a$$ was in a jam in merry ole England. No wonder he’s bitching about the petition to deport his sorry a$$.

      • Flashy

        Actualy, and not defending him, but Piers Morgan was over here for awhile on CNN before the scandal broke. He didn’t ‘flee’ … he was already here and firmly established.

    • Bill

      Or we can call it “Kill the Crooks” day

      • eddie47d

        …or Kids Killing Kids Day or NRA Exploitation Day! Both sides could have “fun” with that claptrap!

      • Bill

        The problem, Eddie, is that the lawsuits have started
        They have been initiated by angry parents who claim that by having gun free zones, their kids are sitting ducks.

        These lawsuits could break the backs of the school districts who fail to offer protection for the kids

      • eddie47d

        We sue over everything in this country so no surprise there. Schools could be in greater financial straights if they have to hire more security personal too. Either way it comes out of taxpayer money so no win either way.

      • Rick

        Eddie if it protects children in our schools how is it a lose? The fed could pick up the tab by cutting foreign aid and spending the money on our own people.

      • Harold Olsen

        Define “crooks.” Most politicians fit that label.

  • Ann

    I’m all for undercover armed police in all our schools, as well as all teachers carrying bear mace on their belts, key school personnel being trained and carrying tranquilizer dart guns, and everyone being trained mentally to use a chair, table, baseball bat, pencil–anything!–to attack a guy who dares try to shoot up our schools. Better let us keep our 2nd amendment rights, or we will have a rash of these incidents that we won’t be able to believe! No legal guns–only criminals will have them–oh, and the President’s body guards, of COURSE!

    • Flashy

      Ann … picture a police state.

      now picture what you are supporting

      Is there a difference?

      • vanessa

        If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. The Mexican drug cartels will turn the US into Mexico with blood running in the streets. People in the country will be vandalized. Just the mere thought that there may be a gun in a house stops alot of crime or we would have been vandalized by now as it takes the law 45 minutes to work a car accident out here.

      • AChuck

        Flashy, you don’t think we aren’t in a “Police State” already? Check the FBI stats: over 8000 people killed by the police, Last year, up from 6000 two years ago. But there are only 18,000 police depts in America, so some didn’t kill anyone. Approx. 23,000 DICs, (death in custody) 164 FEMA concentration camps, built under Klinton, but not staffed until Obama. Any cop can slaughter ANY taxpayer, he just has to say “I felt threatened” ! Next time watch the blood lust on the “SWAT teams’ faces. Not a police state yet? How much more do you want?

      • Flashy

        Vanessa…of all the rational reasonable proposals put forth by the gun control people…i do not believe any has called for oputlawing guns. Especially since the SCOTUS has ruled the Constitution protects the Right to have a gun IN THE HOME.

        get real. Quit spreading lies and fairy tales designed to scare …

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Uh, AChuck, would you care to point us the source of those FBI stats you talk about here? They are insanely overstated. I seem to recall reading that there are perhaps 600 DIC’s a year (and maybe 100 police are killed each year also). And the gun death stats that we have been seeing a lot of on PLD lately would seem to indicate that your “police killing” numbers are way off also (unless the cops are strangling, stabbing or suffocating a lot of folks instead of using those guns they like to “misuse” so much).

        I would love to see a list of the 164 FEMA camps as well so I can visit the one nearest to me, as I’m sure many other PLD folks would also—-go see our tax dollars at work, so to speak.. Can you help us out there too?

        Lord love a duck!

      • eddie47d

        upChuck! There have been FEMA camps since at least 1968 (built for rioters) so your mockery is coming from ignorance. Guess what they weren’t used back then and still aren’t being used. Please explain your cop killing figures because the first thing that popped up was 105 killed by police last year when I looked it up.

      • ibcamn

        not up to speed,eh flashy!have you been talking to Eddie?just messing with ya,
        not…

      • Flashy

        “I would love to see a list of the 164 FEMA camps as well so I can visit the one nearest to me, as I’m sure many other PLD folks would also—-go see our tax dollars at work, so to speak.. Can you help us out there too?” <— RBT

        RB, I've asked for the same list many times. Someone once gave a link to the locations of these 'camps", and they were all in army bases. Difficult to look 'em over if they're on an army base, and what the army/navy/marines/ air force dudes would call barracks and supply sheds, they are all in disguise and all a big top top secret camp ..convenient for the tellers of tales.

        Funny … and you point this out … no one seems to ever have been to any of these "camps"…you would think they would unless …. nawwwww…it couldn't all be a big lie could it?

      • ranger09

        Hell Yes

    • JC

      Ann says:

      January 8, 2013 at 7:33 am

      I’m all for undercover armed police in all our schools, as well as all teachers carrying bear mace on their belts,
      ________________________________________________________________________Disagree.

      Unless the armed policeman has a teaching degree, we don’t need him sitting around all day getting fat and lethargic doing nothing. What we need is freedom of choice for the teachers as to whether or not they want to get some training and carry a gun themselves.
      Given the option, I think just about every school would have coverage. Maybe even coverage as good or better than the Obama girls have.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Having a bit of experience in school administration, and having said that I always thought I should be able to carry back in my day 20, 30, and 40 years ago, I woulod like to expand on:

        “What we need is freedom of choice for the teachers as to whether or not they want to get some training and carry a gun themselves”.

        If you are saying that we should allow any teacher who wants to carry in school to do so, we are asking for trouble. This is not a 2nd. Amendment issue but a child protection one. There are many teachers I have known who should NOT, under any circumstances, be allowed to get within 20 feet of a loaded gun at any time, anywhere. (the only kind of gun that will do any good in protecting the kids is a loaded one carried on the person of the “guardians”). And for you anti-public school fools, that does NOT mean they are somehow defective and should not be allowed to teach—-I’m speaking of some folks who were among the best teachers I have known.

        Yes, ask for volunteers, but allow only those who have been very carefully screened and highly trained to actually carry. I was joking with an old friend the other day, one who taught and coached football for me back in the 1970′s. We were talking about this issue and I told him I would NOT have issued him a gun back then because it would have been “dangerous” to all. He chuckled, but he AGREED with me that he should not have been on the ‘carry” list back then (he later became a school principal).

      • JC

        Right Brain Thinker says:
        January 8, 2013 at 5:50 pm
        Having a bit of experience in school administration,
        _____________________________________________________________
        Fair enough, but I believe the solution still lies in using existing personnel.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        We don’t disagree. We can’t afford to put a cop in every school in the country and they’d get so bored they’d probably nod off at the exact time an intruder walked in the front door. Select and train up a few teachers on every staff and arm the administrators and the office folks who usually live right inside the door. Take volunteers and MAKE SURE they have got the “right stuff” before you turn them loose.

        (Speaking of office staff, I had several secretaries down through the years that I would have given a weapon to without a second thought. There are old jokes about the principal’s secretary being the one who really runs the school, but that is not totally a joke. I had two that were from Texas and the Texas Rangers would have gladly hired them). They even scared ME sometimes)

    • Rick

      Ann spit out the Kool Aid. armed guards make sense. If it’s good enough for Obummer’s kids it’s good enough for everybody else’s kids. and what good is a baseball bat going to do against a firearm?

  • Mr Diesel

    I have actually marched on the state capital in support of gun rights. We had a permit and yes we blocked traffic.

    Union thugs picking on people at a pro-firearm rally. That’s some real brilliant thinking there…

    • Flashy

      yeah…union thugs. Criminey… OK, who left the doors to the asylum unlocked this morning?

      • vanessa

        Flashy really earning his money today

      • eddie47d

        I wish you would Vanessa? Thanks to the Conservatives War on Drugs which has been an utter failure we have even more drugs coming into America. “blood running in the streets” that was a hoot for Americas addiction to drugs will bring drugs into this country regardless of who has a gun. Believe it or not Vanessa you still have a right to defend yourself and to be able to own a weapon to protect your family!

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        January 8, 2013 at 9:28 am

        I wish you would Vanessa? Thanks to the Conservatives War on Drugs
        ________________________________________________________________________

        Remind me again eddie…which Democratic administration has tried to end the failed war on drugs? Or wars abroad? or Corporatism? or anything else you like to blame conservatives for?

  • Terry Childers

    How do I find out where to show up and how to get some T-Shirts and Ball Caps?
    tee14cee@aol.com

  • bill soulsby

    these congressional reps. are supposed to be conducting the peoples business, not messing with our constitution! our founding fahers had to right ideas, and were very intellegent! don’t mess with our rights!

  • Robespierre

    Flashy and r-b,
    You must have skipped “history” in school or be in the 47% that Romney talked about that are the takers in our society and think that someone that has never made a payroll or taken a chance on a business can be a good leader, not. Oh for the guillotine!

    • momo

      Robespierre says: “Flashy and r-b,
      You must have skipped “history” in school or be in the 47% that Romney talked about”

      It’s both, Robespierre

    • eddie47d

      Since that 47% included Social Security recipiants and Medicare recipiants and Veterans serving or retired or ANYONE who receives government benefits then I would be proud to be part of that 47%. The Conservatives who use that number are desperately ignorant and callous!

      • momo

        eddie47d says: “The Conservatives who use that number are desperately ignorant and callous!”

        Sounds like eddie is describing himself.

      • eddie47d

        I don’t use that number to demonize a whole section of the country/people like you apparently do MOMO! So what’s your pointless point!

      • Rick

        Socail sercurity and Medicare have been paid for by those who woIf rked for a living.That is money they earned. What we need to do is keep the elected leeches fingers out of it. If you didn’t pay into it you don’t collect from it.

  • Opie

    If it is legal to open carry in your state then do so on that date especially. Lets take a stand for our Second Amendment.

    • Flashy

      Opie…..if i see anyone with a gun walking the streets, I’m calling the cops. The Right to carry a weapon in public does not push aside my Right to feel (and be) safe and secure in well being.

      • Bill

        Flashy,
        Go ahead and call the cops. They will take about a half an hour to get there

        While you are at it, be sure to turn in all of your guns. You have shown us how much of a nutcase you are. You should not own a gun

      • ibcamn

        I don’t think any person is going to be walking down the street shooting their weapons in the air screaming and yelling and breaking into your house and robbing you at gunpoint you jackhole!!..but do be leary of the protesters and union people out to cause problems.and you might want to think twice on calling the police (for just seeing people involved in this support of guns),police are worse than criminals!you wouldn’t want to go to jail for standing in your living room or some sheet like that.they’ll probably just arrest you for wasting their time!

      • eddie47d

        I have a friend who said almost the same thing thing Flashy on New Years Eve. If he walked into a store or was walking on a sidewalk he would either turn around and walk out or call the cops. He would write to the store owner and let them know he will not do business with them. Some will say just the opposite and patronize that same store but I believe most Americans would endorse his thinking and call the cops if they see a weapon out in the open.

      • Flashy

        IB…no sane and reasonable common sense person is going to be walking around in public packing a gun on his hip. If they want to talk with the cops etc…such is their choice. My Right to walk and be in a safe and secure environment is not second place to people acting like juvenile delinquents with a hormone problem.

      • S.C.Murf

        Then stay home if the big bad gun scares you flashless. Hide under the covers until obamas storm troops come and set you free.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • ranger09

        Its amazing that Americans have to protect people like you. An we have for over 250 years.

      • eddie47d

        What a terriffic choice we have . Either the government will come after us with their guns or the wackos in the right wing fringes come after us with their guns. The government might arrest us and give us a trial but those Supremacist groups will shoot us on the spot. The American Aryan Reich,International Keystone Knights,Midland Hammerskins,Crusaders for Yahweh,etc. All are well armed and dangerous to those to approach them or disagree with their plots.

        • tony newbill

          Eddie47d the wackos with the guns you claim are right wing actually subscribe to left wing principles and are dependents of the Liberal Entitlements fool !

      • Opal the Gem

        “IB…no sane and reasonable common sense person is going to be walking around in public packing a gun on his hip.”

        It all depends on where you live flushy. I do not know what the laws are concerning open carry where you live (Oregon?) but in my state it is not legal although we do have shall issue concealed carry laws. There are a number of states where open carry is legal and practiced so in those states you would have to show the person was acting in a suspicious manner or being a direct threat to someone before the police would take you seriously. And your being afraid of guns does NOT qualify.

      • eddie47d

        Tony: Crusaders for Yahweh is a Christian Conservative group and the rest subscribe to hating blacks,gays,Mexican Americans and so forth. You Should have looked them up before replying. Does the Council of Conservative Citizens suit you better or maybe The European Americans United?

      • JC

        Flashy says:

        January 8, 2013 at 8:28 am

        Opie…..if i see anyone with a gun walking the streets, I’m calling the cops. The Right to carry a weapon in public does not push aside my Right to feel (and be) safe and secure in well being.
        _____________________________________________________________________

        Where does it say you have the right to feel safe?

      • Flashy

        ” And your being afraid of guns does NOT qualify.” <— opal

        Opal, it's not the gun I am leery of, it's the person who may be packing the gun. no guarantee of safety, knowledge or situational awareness, no assurance they've ever live fired and sighted in the weapon. no assurance of anything other than a stranger, i don't know,k is handling a dangerous killing weapon in a public place. THAT doesn't give you pause ?

        Common sense …Opal, please use common sense. Anyone packing a gun in a public place should have to take a Concealed Weapons Permit program consisting of classes rigorous in safety training, situational awareness training, and in live fire training showing proficiency. And the permit should be for the weapon they are carrying. in other words, if one ism permitted for a .22 revolver, they should not be carrying a .45 semi auto.

      • JC

        Flashy says:

        January 8, 2013 at 6:36 pm

        ” And your being afraid of guns does NOT qualify.” <— opal

        Opal, it's not the gun I am leery of, it's the person who may be packing the gun. no guarantee of safety, knowledge or situational awareness,
        ______________________________________________________________________

        So what you're saying is that you're generally afraid of people,
        There's probably therapy for that, but it doesn't in any way impune people's rights under the Constitution to carry concealed or open, depending on the State.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gregbeaty Greg Beaty

    I am excited about this one. Count me in…

    • Flashy

      Insecure about your masculinity eh Greg? Feel you have to show off your manliness and do something to raise the ol’ testosterone kick? Wife complaining (or is she eyeing the gardener?) ?

      • Bill

        That would be a good rallying cry, Flashy,
        “Let’s keep our testosterone high”

        And will you are at it, Flashy, make sure you stay on your vegan diet and eat lots of soy

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Don’t know why Flashy sounds a bit cranky and even “nastY’ today but we all “have our days”. I’d rather watch him beat the fools to death with his usual logic and facts, but if he wants to sound like them for a while, who am I to judge?

        Bill shows his ignorance of biology by suggesting a rallying cry—-“Let’s keep our testosterone high”, not realizing that the ever increasing numbers of women in congress is a direct result of the testosterone level being “too high” already.

        When Hilary and Elizabeth Warren win in 2016, the testosterone level will drop even further and that will help to move things “forward”. Go get ‘em, girls!

        And I must compliment Bill on another mindless comment—”And will you are at it, Flashy, make sure you stay on your vegan diet and eat lots of soy”. Don’t you have anything else to do this a.m., Bill? I don’t—-that’s why I’m posting on PLD. But I’m not wasting everyone’s time the way you are. (Or are you the designated shill for this thread today? DaveH and JeffH are elsewhere? Vicki and Kate8 have the day off? What?

      • ranger09

        I bet you even fear the Policeman with a gun, Do you also fear the Military man with a gun. I even bet you are afraid of guns shown in the movies.people like you dont even deserve a response.

      • eddie47d

        Why be afraid of a gun if used in the appropriate place and at an appropriate time. Whether in a war situation or protecting your home.

      • Flashy

        ” I’d rather watch him beat the fools to death with his usual logic and facts, but if he wants to sound like them for a while, who am I to judge?” <— RBT

        I know RB…I know. But today's subject i have learned is not one the extremist will accept logic and fact. Those have been given ad nauseum and they keep coming back with the same nonsensical repetitive already broiled and tossed out with the garbage reasons.

        So ridicule and making fun of 'em is all that's remaining. if you'll read, the riducle I'm tossing is based in reality. Such as the FEMA camp fairy tales, or the "i'm packing in public' garbage. And…there are many studies about this…there is a number of people who need to own a weapon to give themselves a sense of self. Hopefully, the testicular and insecurities these folks have won't over-ride common sense and responsibility.

        Unless they are too far over the edge in seeking to show their manhood and cover insecurities, they'll realize that holding gun owners and sellers to a high degree of responsibility enhances them in being gun owners. Unless, of course, they won't stand under a higher scrutiny of responsibility….which exemplifies the issues.

      • momo

        Right Brain Thinker says:”When Hilary and Elizabeth Warren win in 2016,”

        Yeah, if Hillary doesn’t have a stroke first, as for Warren she can’t even define middle class.

        http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/337030/elizabeth-warren-now-hiding-middle-class-patrick-brennan#

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Too many words with more than one syllable and too many words in your sentences, Flash. They’ll never get it.

        And let’s hope that Hilary doesn’t have a stroke, momo. Kind of a mean-spirited thing to even suggest, don’t you think?: Or are you some sort of mean-spirited pig?

        And Elizabeth has SIX YEARS (count ‘em) to learn how to avoid the little traps that reporters put out there for the unwary. I learned that in the school administration business at a very early age.

        Speaking of Elizabeth, I wonder if the Repugs have yet figured out that they virtually GAVE her Scott Brown’s Senate seat by refusing to confirm her nomination to the consumer affairs slot, where they could have perhaps isolated her and worried her to death.

        (BTW, I feel free in referring to Senator Warren as “Elizabeth”, since she used my first name on the thank you note she sent to me in VA for my support of her campaign in MA)

      • JC

        Flashy says:

        January 8, 2013 at 8:29 am

        Insecure about your masculinity eh Greg? Feel you have to show off your manliness and do something to raise the ol’ testosterone kick? Wife complaining (or is she eyeing the gardener?) ?
        _______________________________________________________________________

        Wow! Freud would have a field day with that one!
        Are you gay or just impotent Flashy?

        There you go “projecting” again ;-)

  • Right Brain Thinker

    Not that it’s particularly relevant to the topic, but I do believe this breaking news from DC should be seen by as many PLD posters as possible, and gun threads usually draw a crowd.. It is especially good news for those who post large numbers of inane comments on PLD and misspell President O’Bama’s name in an effort to be “cute” .

    The Americans With No Abilities Act (credit to Thomas Convey)

    President Barack Obama and the Democrat-led Senate are considering sweeping legislation that will provide new benefits for many Americans. The ‘Americans With No Abilities Act’ is being hailed as a major legislative goal by advocates of the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition.

    “Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society,” said California Sen. Barbara Boxer. “We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability (POI) to be ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers, simply because they have some idea of what they are doing.”

    In a Capitol Hill press conference, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pointed to the success of the U.S. Postal Service, which has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to performance. Approximately 74 percent of postal employees lack any job skills, making this agency the single largest U.S. employer of Persons With No Ability.

    Private-sector industries with good records of non-discrimination against the inept include retail sales (72 percent), the airline industry (68 percent), and home-improvement warehouse stores (65 percent). At the state government level, the Department of Motor Vehicles also has an excellent record of hiring Persons with No Ability (78 percent).

    Under the Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million mid-level positions will be created, with important-sounding titles but no real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense of purpose and performance.

    Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be given to guarantee upward mobility for even the most unremarkable employees. The legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations that promote a significant number of Persons of Inability (POI) into middle-management positions, and give a tax credit to small and medium-sized businesses that agree to hire one clueless worker for every two talented hires.

    Finally, the Americans With No Abilities Act contains tough new measures to make it more difficult to discriminate against the non-abled, banning, for example, discriminatory interview questions such as, “Do you have any skills or experience that relate to this job?”

    “As a non-abled person, I can’t be expected to keep up with people who have something going for them,” said DaveH, who lost his position as an apprentice lug-nut twister helper’s assistant at the GM plant in Flint, Mich., due to his inability to remember righty tighty, lefty loosey. “This new law should be real good for people like me. I finally have job security.” With the passage of this bill, DaveH and millions of other untalented citizens will finally see a light at the end of the tunnel, although someone may have to explain that to the more severely non-abled like DaveH.

    Said Sen. Dick Durbin: “As a senator with no abilities, I believe the same privileges that elected officials enjoy ought to be extended to every American with no abilities. It is our duty as lawmakers to provide each and every American citizen, regardless of his or her inadequacy, with some sort of space to take up in this great nation and a good salary for doing so.”

    Isn’t that wonderful news? Go get ‘em, Dave! Tell all your non-abled alternative personalities and shill cronies as well. Maybe if you all got “real” jobs under this new law, you’d leave PLD and stop getting in everyone’s way.

    • ibcamn

      Wait lefty,doesn’t planned parenthood deal with getting rid of people who take up space and don’t contribute to society?Obama and Pelosi want pp don’t they?Acorn deals in helping non ability Americans don’t they?Obama and Pelosi want them too!how can they be for both….OH yeah….hypacrites,all of them,i almost forgot how much a waste of space Obama and Pelosi are.wait a tick,why didn’t PP step in on the parents of the two of them?!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Is this a response to my post on the proposed new law designed to help folks like you? Sure doesn’t sound like it. Your particular non-ability seems to be centered on not being able to put together a string of coherent thoughts. Oh well, I’d bet you can’t remember “righty-tighty, lefty-loosey” either.

      • eddie47d

        RBT; Always odd how those on the right always talk about eliminating folks and then accuse the left of doing it.

    • S.C.Murf

      So rbt you saying you are finally going to get some training and a job. Fantastic another one off the govt. roles, I just might make a few dollars this year after all.

      up the hill
      airborne

      And to fast eddie, once again you talk about My Lai, you need to be quite. Keep talking about items you understand or have been associated with, OK? You know nothing about those Men, those people, that country, you were not there. And if by chance you had been there and ran your mouth the way you do here then it’s possible you could have been listed as KIA or MIA, one never knows!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Smurf says something that proves he is also one of the No Abilities folks by saying,.

        “So rbt you saying you are finally going to get some training and a job. Fantastic another one off the govt. roles, I just might make a few dollars this year after all”.

        Not too literate, but he seems to be saying that I will get one of the No Ability jobs, and therefore will be getting a paycheck, and that somehow HE will make a few dollars more because of that, presumably because I will be off the “govt. DOLES”, and his taxes would go down (?) Did I get that right, Smurf?

        If his scenario was correct, I would still be on the government ROLLS, just moved over to a different “list” and probably making even MORE money than I would on the “dole”, thereby actually causing Smurf to NOT “make a few dollars more”. Follow all that Smurfy?

        But not to worry, since I DO have abilities, one of them being that I am being amply rewarded through my various pensions for the years I spent in service to the greater good of the nation and spend my money wisely. So I won’t try to take any NO Ability job from DaveH or Smurfy, both of whom are so eminently NO qualified for them.

        PS Stop trying to scare eddie. Yes, it is obvious that he “wasn’t there” and might not have “fit in” very well if he were, but you’re not acting like a very big man when you lay that crap on him, and certainly not when you threaten him. “One never knows!”, said the deep voice from the shadows!—-Lord love a duck, Smurf!

        And the USMC did away with its airborne way back, so I may not know what I’m talking about, but I’m pretty sure they taught them not to land on their heads when they jumped. Didn’t the USA teach you that? Sometimes you sound like they didn’t. (Or maybe you didn’t pay attention).

        • tony newbill

          the Lord loves all of his creation , even you RBT !!!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Thanks for the thought, Tony.

      • eddie47d

        Papa Smurf: I was in Vietnam on the exact date that it happened. March 6, 1968. Stationed in Pleiku although we were in Dak To when it happened. That was miles away but what is your point? So are you saying that you would have fragged me? Maybe you are defending Cally’s actions so I would say you lose on both counts!

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        January 8, 2013 at 2:20 pm

        Papa Smurf: I was in Vietnam on the exact date that it happened. March 6, 1968. Stationed in Pleiku although we were in Dak To when it happened. That was miles away but what is your point?
        ______________________________________________________________________

        So were you VC or NVA Regular?

      • S.C.Murf

        So fast eddie Pleiku huh. Arty Hill, am familiar with that area also. You were artillary, sat back and killed what you couldn’t see. Made it easier that way didn’t it. And RBT when did jar heads use their brains at all not just their right part, at least not any of the jar heads we worked with. Hell they were taught to charge enemy fire. that worked out real good for them. RB fart dont put words about fraggen this or that into my comments, sounds like you were a desk jocky and I really thought fast eddie was a spoon, us grunts just cant tell some people apart

        up the hill
        airborne
        101st Airborne (Screaming Eagles)

      • Right Brain Thinker

        “So were you VC or NVA Regular?” Really classy—-I never get PO’d. at the comments here but I will say this one hit me a bit. Sorry you had to see that, dave.

        “And RBT when did jar heads use their brains at all, at least not any of the jar heads we worked with. Hell they were taught to charge enemy fire. ….that worked out real good for them” And what were you taught? To be an anal orifice? Looks like it.

        And “Us grunts just cant tell some people apart”?

        Well , this grunt CAN tell some people apart and I’m done talking to anal orifices like you two who show no respect for those who have served and just want to get into chest-thumping and strutting around and insulting folks. You have NO idea what Marines are taught and believe in and you’re a disgrace to the 101st Anyone who has to put “up the hill” and “101st Airborne (Screaming Eagles)” after his crap is showing us what a weakling he is.

        I had an uncle in the 101st—fought at Bastogne, got wounded and captured, and spent the rest of the war in a German hospital. The Germans took as good care of him as their own and he came home OK—they were the enemy and they were more respectful than you are. GFYS, girls, and the filters would have (comment deleted) that if I had spelled it out.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        PS Meant to say “eddie” rather than dave.

      • ranger09

        SOLDIERS KILL IN COMBAT, SOLDIERS KILL ARMED ENEMY TRYING TO KILL THEM. ANYONE THAT KILLS UNARMED SOLDIERS OR CIVILIANS IS NOTHING BUT MURDERERS, oF COURSE WE HAVE TO EXCLUDE ARTY ROUNDS AND BOMBS FOR THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE, bUT PEOPLE DO PULL THE SWITCH. MY LAI WAS NOTHING BUT MURDER, THE LT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT TO DEATH, HIS SGTS SHOULD HAVE GOT 20YRS.
        bEING A SOLDIER DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN COMMIT MURDER AND GET AWAY WITH IT. BUT SO MANY HAVE.

      • JC

        Right Brain Thinker says:

        January 8, 2013 at 10:49 pm

        “So were you VC or NVA Regular?” Really classy—-I never get PO’d. at the comments here but I will say this one hit me a bit. Sorry you had to see that, dave.
        _____________________________________________________________________

        That was directed at eddie the openly communist anti-American who, IF he was in an American uniform by some great mistake…should have remained behind when Saigon fell and joined his true friends there.

    • Rick

      this sounds like congress.

  • jopa

    Guns create jobs.Over eight thousand Americans are shot dead every year by guns not counting the suicides.That’s a lot of body bags, caskets, funerals, flowers, stretch limos,thousands of gallons of embalming fluid, grave markers, backhoes for digging holes and round point shovels.That amount of goods and services adds billions to our economy and creates job openings for the survivors.This may be the bright side of it all that you may want to put on your signs when marching.I think after Reagan cut funding for the mental institutions in America there are to many of these folks with mental problems running around armed and dangerous.To think you really need an assault rifle in America should send up a flag on the mentality of the individual .Reading through the posts on this page is indicative of a lot of mental illness in the USA.63% of American sportsmen and gun owners in general are for some type of restrictions on clips and assault rifles.The NRA is more for the manufacturers of guns than they are for their own members on this issue, but what they really want is for more people to part with their money to cover their high salaries.

    • Opal the Gem

      “.63% of American sportsmen and gun owners in general are for some type of restrictions on clips and assault rifles.The NRA is more for the manufacturers of guns than they are for their own members on this issue, but what they really want is for more people to part with their money to cover their high salaries.”

      Speculative dis information. You have provided no proof of any of those points. Although I might agree that point sixty three percent (.63%) is about right.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Opal takes exception with “The NRA is more for the manufacturers of guns than they are for their own members on this issue, but what they really want is for more people to part with their money to cover their high salaries”.

        She calls it “Speculative dis information” and says, “You have provided no proof of any of those points”. There’s a legal term used in courtrooms that covers this, Opal. It’s “self evident”, and basically means that the court shouldn’t waste time arguing over “proof” for statements like “The sun is shining” and “The sky is blue”. Anyone who thinks the NRA is any different from any other “non profit education (really gun trade) association” is deluding themselves, and OF COURSE the NRA salaries depend on the members parting with their $35 to cover their salaries. The NRA makes nothing that can be sold to generate revenue and “profits”, although their budget is well up over $200,000,000 a year.

        Speaking of which, Forbes had the following to say about that—-”As for salaries, fifty-six people in the organization (NRA) earned more than $100,000 in 2010—and 10 made more than $250,000. Lapierre does not top the list. Kayne B. Robinson, the executive director of general operations does. He was paid just over $1 million. Lapierre was second, pulling in $970,000 in reportable and estimated comp. Chris W. Cox, the executive director of the group’s lobbying efforts, was third. He earned just over $666,000″.

        Not too shabby, and just like the government, they ran a deficit last year. Are Wayne LP and the other top execs offering to take pay cuts? Don’t think so—-they are counting on “more people to part with their money to cover their high salaries”. Bet on it. (and the blowup over the slaughter of the innocents in Connecticut will probably bring in a flood of money—look for raises)

      • eddie47d

        Yes Opal I think its called Buy a gun and support the executive elites in the NRA!

      • Opal the Gem

        “The NRA makes nothing that can be sold to generate revenue and “profits”, ”

        Neither does Wally World, Sears, 7-11, or any number of other businesses. However, like them the NRA does purchase and re-sell items so they do generate supplimental income from retail sales.

      • Opal the Gem

        “Not too shabby, and just like the government, they ran a deficit last year.”

        Documentation please. I know a number of NRA members and none know anything about NRA running a deficit.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Opal the Gem says: “…..the NRA does purchase and re-sell items so they do generate supplemental income from retail sales” and .”Documentation please. I know a number of NRA members and none know anything about NRA running a deficit”.

        Opal is right about the NRA having a “store”. I let my NRA membership lapse after being a member for many years way back—didn’t like the direction it was taking, so I have no first hand knowledge either..

        Google “Forbes NRA salaries” and you’ll hit the article I was quoting, which lays out the exact amounts of money the NRA takes in from various sources, as well as the deficit they ran.

        I would hope that the NRA isn’t keeping secrets from its members. Although they might be doing just that—-I think the article says that they had to go look at the 501(c) filings to get this info because the NRA wouldn’t tell them. Check it out and tell us if I got it wrong.

    • Rick

      Jopa where did you get those figures? Because just reading the comments here, I think you are dreaming

  • Fedup

    Eddie and Flashy – as usual…

    • eddie47d

      Why thank you Fedup! Hey Jopa I read the other day that the NRA gets a dollar for every gun sold in America or at least every buyer can donate that dollar when they purchase that weapon at a gun shop. Nothing like a little arm twisting from the NRA!

      • Opal the Gem

        Once again eddie has no clue what he is talking about. There is a program started by businesses that sell shooting related products called the round up program. To use it you tell a participating business to round up the sale to the next dollar and they will send it to the NRA. It is entirely voluntary and I know of no business that tries to force it on you. The NRA certainly isn’t trying to twist any arms because they had NOTHING to do with the start of the program and have no direct influence on it.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        eddie may not know what he is talking about, Opal, but you may not know all that much about it either. I certainly don’t know much, but have heard that some companies round up to the next nearest $5 or even $10.

        As far as “forcing it”, in my neck of the woods you just might catch some crap from “the boys” if you didn’t “go bigger”—-like leaving too small a tip for the gals at Hooters. And the NRA loves the program—-they’ve gotten millions from it. Maybe somebody that DOES know more about the program could enlighten us?

      • Opal the Gem

        “I certainly don’t know much, but have heard that some companies round up to the next nearest $5 or even $10.”

        You have heard. Even if they are rounding it up $5 or $10 it is still voluntary. the customer can refuse that amount of round up or any round up at all. they can even ask for a $100 round up if they wish.

      • Opal the Gem

        “As far as “forcing it”, in my neck of the woods you just might catch some crap from “the boys” if you didn’t “go bigger””

        Ah, but that is NOT the NRA it is the boys and if they give you too much crap perhaps you need some new friends.

      • Opal the Gem

        ” And the NRA loves the program—-they’ve gotten millions from it. ”

        I certainly would hope they love it. You would love it too if you could come up with a way to get people to voluntarily contribute to you when they compleated a business transaction.

      • eddie47d

        If the money goes to the NRA Ms Opal then how can they not have any enfluence in it? They accept it and use it for lobbying.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        I’m not sure why Opal wants to make such a big deal over all this, but since she doesn’t call people names and say stupid things, she deserves to be heard and talked to.

        Opal the Gem says, “Even if they are rounding it up $5 or $10 it is still voluntary. the customer can refuse that amount of round up or any round up at all. they can even ask for a $100 round up if they wish”.

        Not so sure, I think the complaint I heard was about a mail order company where the guy “volunteered” a round up thinking it would be to the next dollar but the company went up to the next $5 or $10.

        I said, “As far as “forcing it”, in my neck of the woods you just might catch some crap from “the boys” if you didn’t “go bigger””
        Opal says, “Ah, but that is NOT the NRA it is the boys and if they give you too much crap perhaps you need some new friends”.

        I was half kidding, Opal—-did you catch the Hooters reference—-I’m glad to see you haven’t spent much time in locker rooms (male) and don’t have the necessary “items” to have them “busted” by “the boys” or you might have caught that. But seriously, when the guy you depend on to sell you guns and ammo asks you “do you want to round up for the NRA” in front of the guys you shoot with, a thing called “peer pressure” does kick in. And it’s not a lot of money and you like the NRA, and no one is twisting your arm so you do it, but it’s NOT the same thing as driving to an empty church and throwing some bucks in the poor box with nobody watching. Agreed?

        Opal says, “I certainly would hope they love it. You would love it too if you could come up with a way to get people to voluntarily contribute to you when they completed a business transaction”, .to which eddie replies, “If the money goes to the NRA Ms Opal then how can they not have any influence in it? They accept it and use it for lobbying”. They’re both correct to me—-what Opal says is “self evident” and the very fact that the NRA is getting the money is significant re: “Influence”—-I don’t think the boys at the gun shop would be “rounding up” for many other organizations we could name, and that means the fact that the NRA is getting it has “influenced” their decision. If I remember correctly, they NRA does NOT use the money for lobbying but puts it into the endowment—only the interest it earns may be used for lobbying.

      • Opal the Gem

        eddie eddie, if a complete stranger walks up and hands you $100 did you have any influence in it? I think not. The same is true with the NRA they have no influence in the collection of the money but once it is given to them they can do with it what they want.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:
        January 8, 2013 at 9:54 am
        Why thank you Fedup! Hey Jopa I read the other day that the NRA gets a dollar for every gun sold in America or at least every buyer can donate that dollar when they purchase that weapon at a gun shop. Nothing like a little arm twisting from the NRA!
        _____________________________________________________________

        Unlike taxes, it’s voluntary and you actually get some representation.
        What a concept! ;-)

      • Opal the Gem

        “But seriously, when the guy you depend on to sell you guns and ammo asks you “do you want to round up for the NRA” in front of the guys you shoot with, a thing called “peer pressure” does kick in.”

        A simple I’m sorry but I cannot afford it today would suffice. If they still tried to give me any flack i would tell them “since you have the money give some for me”

      • eddie47d

        Being naive again Opal?

      • JC

        Being vague and obtuse again eddie?

  • Robert Morrow

    I would like to be there, but impossible for us. Instead of outlawing guns, just why has no one and I mean no one questions the Poison and murder of thousands of Children and Adults with allowed FDA poison drugs that kill not cure and the thousands of toxins allowed in the processed foods that make people sick and die. Why is this allowed? Profit and corruption in our elected Officials. I look at these Senators and Representatives and see total corruption and they would sell their own into slavery just for their portion of the blood stained 30 pieces of Silver. Here a quote from one of their own:”THE THING THAT BUGS ME IS THAT PEOPLE THINK THE FDA IS PROTECTING THEM. IT ISN’T. THE FDA IS PROTECTING THE PROFITS OF THE CORPORATIONS THAT PAY US AND THE POLITICIANS!” Herbert Ley, M.D., Former FDA commissioner. So where is your Senator and Representative? End ending Comrades, Swallow your poison drugs with a price markup in the thousands of percent and eat the toxin filled foods and make sure that the children eat the stuff too. Enjoy the staff of life BREAD with AZODICARBONAMIDE, Ammonium Sulfate (fertilizer) and the other 3000 additives of toxins. P.S Just why is there no control over these Agencies like the FDA, EPA, TSA and on and on. Well, your Senators & Representatives sold us out and put all the power in the hands of Petty Bureaucrats who rule not Govern.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Good points, Robert. Why didn’t you carry the chain all the way back to the beginning—-the greedy rich—-the so-called “capitalists” and “free marketers” who have bought the country. It’s they who RULE us, not the bureaucrats that are just their foot soldiers (as are many of the mindless posters on PLD who refuse to see who the real enemy is and buy all the horsepucky).

      The would-be masters of the corporate feudal state and the monarchy of wealth want the EPA, FDA, SEC, FEC, and all the other agencies to go away so that they can REALLY get moving and take over the country. That’s the “freedom” they have everyone screaming about—the freedom for THEM to remake the country so that they can continue to destroy it for the 99%. And we all will clutch our guns (I’ve got mine) and wonder who it is that we should shoot when and if the shooting starts. I know that many members of the circular firing squad brigades will shoot each other (and that may not be a bad thing), but I’d much rather see the CFS brigades wake up and really look around.

    • eddie47d

      Ditto Robert Morrow I agree! You must be new here because Dave H and many others continually say these pharmaceutical companies and food companies can put anything on the market they want. Its up to the consumer to buy or reject a product. We have to determine which slow death we want because it takes years to get a company to take any product or ingredient off the shelves. We absolutely knew the damage that lead did to the human body but it took decades to remove it from paint products. We also know the damage that mercury from coal does in nerve health let along the respiratory damage. Yet to some coal is king and has no faults. It is indeed an uphill battle.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Yep. You forgot tobacco on the list—-still with us even though it has NO redeeming value. At least coal and lead do (up to a point). It all comes back to the fact that those who have no scruples will sell and do anything that makes them a buck, including peddling “poison”.

        And shills like DaveH will do their propaganda dirty work for them by extolling the “free market” and spreading von mises horsepucky. Capitalism and free markets have ALWAYS tried to run amok because of the greed of the 1%. We have been fighting that battle since George Washington’s day, and Jackson’s, and Jefferson’s, and TR’s, and FDR’s (lots of good quotes from them on that). We are now almost in a death struggle—-hope it turns out well for the country.

      • Flashy

        “You forgot tobacco on the list—-still with us even though it has NO redeeming value.” <— RBT and Eddie

        HEY ! I protest ! According to the daughter, she's inheriting that much sooner !

        But..back to seriousness. There is a new study out that took over 30 years in research. Lead metal and the crime rate. One may put "lead and crime" in the search engine. With lead in gasoline up until the mid 70's, as well as industrial and poorer urban areas, there is a direct correlation between those who grew up with high lead levels in their blood and later crime.

        Lead affects the portion of the brain which lowers moral values and heightens the areas involving long range consequences and planning, "aggressiveness" and "impulsivity".

        The lowering violent crime rate coincides with the lowering of lead exposure due to environmental laws and regulation.

        Interesting study.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Interesting study indeed, but wasted on the folks here. The only lead they are interested in is in the bullets they’re going to use to revolt-secede-overthrow the government-kill all Libs-etc.

        Do you think we could convince them all to carry a few rounds in their cheek at all times?—-you know, for fast access when the shooting starts? Maybe enough lead would leach out that they would get even dumber (is even that possible?)

        To get serious, my daughter used to ride my case about how I was killing myself by smoking (when she was 15 she wanted me to stick around—-she NEEDED me, she said—-you know, to buy her a car and send her to college?). Now that she’s in her 40′s, I think she probably feels the way your daughter does, although I HAVE finally kicked the nicotine habit—-triple bypass surgery helps you do that. LOL

  • http://personalliberydigest big wyo

    the only thug dumb enough to think he was bullet proof in recent memory was treyvon banger martin.

  • ibcamn

    I wonder if CNN,MSNBC,NBC,etc..are going to cover these events in any way or they going to bury it?you know the union is going to be there in force(blend in like in the past)and try to cause problems.i would like to see every gun owner send Obama a tweet on that day,just a short note,on someone they knew that was killed buy a weapon(of any choice) and ask Obama why he never demanded something be done about said weapon or person at the time of their deaths!wonder if he would acknowledge any of those tweets, or e-mails or texts letters or whatever they send?he still wouldn’t get why were doing this gun day in America!….it’s a great idea…maybe it would be along the lines of what the U.K. just did!.

    • eddie47d

      Why would you involve unions into your little tirade IBCAMN? Many union folks own guns and support the Second Amendment also. They may be there in support or choose not to attend at all. The only trouble maker I see right now is YOU!

  • Laidbackrebel

    It is foolhardy to enter this fight, and expect to survive a home invasion which is surely on the agenda, IF WE RESIST. Even though we have bushmasters, and 1911′s, they have grenade launchers, and rockets, not to mention debilitating gas. So on an individual basis we citizens can’t win. None the less, I enter the fight expecting to give my life for my desire to maintain at least this ONE final freedom. It’s the only one left.

    For any of you who can’t understand why a man, or woman needs a bushmaster: In the near coming future, the powers that be have engineered a food shortage to descend upon us
    When that happens, all of the people on food stamps, and other suspended government programs, are going to get hungry enough to steal food, and to kill for it. If you have a survival garden, and no defense for it, they will take it, destroy it, and leave you dead, or bleeding, for trying to preserve your garden, and subsequently your life. IF YOU DON’T FACE YOUR FEARS, THEY WILL SURELY BE MANIFESTED TO YOU!!!

    • eddie47d

      “survive a home invasion”? That’s up to you if your house is secure with alarms, dead bolts and Smith & Wesson. Your choices or rights are not going to be taken away if that is what you are trying to get at.

      • JC

        What if the choice is to have a semi-auto rifle or shotgun handy in case there’s several invaders? What if the invaders are wearing bright blue helmets?
        Think I’ll stick to my Second Amendment rights and Be Prepared.

      • eddie47d

        What are you hiding from us JC if those bright blue helmets are coming after you? Hmmm!

      • JC

        What am I hiding? LOL
        Let’s see…I post my opinions on this and other sites.
        I’m active in my community in firearms education and politcs…
        Yup! That’s Me! Trying to go unnoticed…hahaha
        MORON!

  • Bill

    According to the center for disease control and the FBI, there were 11,493 firearms homicides last year and 16,799 non firearm homicices last year.

    There were 107,000 alcohol abuse deaths and 195,000 deaths by medical errors.

    It is kind of dumb to waste our time going after guns, we should be going after the alcohol abusing doctors

    • eddie47d

      I bet you’ll drink to that!

    • mark

      There were also 35 gun homocides in the UK last year vs. our nearly 12,000. And the UK is a free country with vibrant free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, trial by jury, multi-party democracy, etc. So much for this nonsense that you have to have millions of gun owners to have a free society. In the UK most of the police do not even carry guns.

      • JC

        What is the rate of violent “non-death” crime in England?
        How many victims were helpless from being raped, robbed or beaten?

        As compared to the appx. 2 million times a year that a law abiding gun owning American stops a crime in its tracks that is.

        You’re premise is a non sequitor…

      • eddie47d

        Very few woman who are raped would have a chance to use a weapon. So that is you non sequitur.

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        January 9, 2013 at 7:23 am

        Very few woman who are raped would have a chance to use a weapon. So that is you non sequitur.
        __________________________________________________________________

        So you don’t think an armed victim would have slowed you down?
        How is it you come by this information? Experience?

    • eddie47d

      I looked that up last week Mark because someone here said there were more people being killed in England by baseball bats because of gun bans. As per usual they fibbed for only 3 had been killed by the use of a bat (26) injured.

  • Bill

    Flashy, Eddie47, Right brian thinker, doc sarvis and robert smith are all just trying to promote a political agenda and could care less about “protecting the children”.

    Anybody else to be added to their list of political shills?

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Yeah, Billy—-YOU. Add yourself to the list of “political shills”. I nominate you for membership in the PLD Three Stooges club also. You certainly sound like them with say-nothing comments like this one—–a cobbled together pile of meaningless statistics.

      Of course, many of the real shills have misused statistics and abused logic before in the same way as you have here, so I guess it’s OK that you have just reaffirmed your membership in the “know nothing” club. Maybe DaveH, JeffH, and the boys will now come pat you on the back as you all mill around seeking each other’s approval for your mindlessness and stupidity.

      (And there was a political party that went by the name Know Nothings—some say they’re coming back—-look it up—-you sound like a good candidate for membership).

      • phideaux

        “—–a cobbled together pile of meaningless statistics.”

        Tell that to the FBI they are the ones that compiled those statistics.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Pay attention, Fido.

        The FBI statistics are fine in themselves and the FBI doesn’t play many games with them. It’s the “cobbling together” and trying to make some sort of half-butted argument out of the confused mish-mosh that I objected to and called “meaningless”. Guns, alcohol, and medical deaths? And there’s any logical connection there? Or can’t you see that?—-guess not, or you wouldn’t have made this comment, would you?

      • JC

        Right Brain Thinker says:

        January 8, 2013 at 12:16 pm

        Pay attention, Fido.

        The FBI statistics are fine in themselves and the FBI doesn’t play many games with them. It’s the “cobbling together” and trying to make some sort of half-butted argument out of the confused mish-mosh that I objected to and called “meaningless”.
        _____________________________________________________________________

        Ok, let’s say we are in agreement…just saying…
        Let’s forget about statistics as they can be manipulated to purpose.

        That leaves us with the law itself.

        The Second Amendment stands…and wins.
        No argument, no restrictions, no laws of infringement…..nothing.

        There, now that’s all settled, wanna go target shooting? ;-)

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Always ready to go shooting, JC, although I’m not sure I’d want to go with you. Might distract me from having fun if I had to worry about you shooting me either accidentally or on purpose. Anyone who says this without anything else that tells us what it is supposed to mean is not someone I would want near me with a loaded weapon.

        That leaves us with the law itself.
        The Second Amendment stands…and wins.
        No argument, no restrictions, no laws of infringement…..nothing.

      • JC

        Right Brain Thinker says:
        January 8, 2013 at 6:53 pm
        Always ready to go shooting, JC, although I’m not sure I’d want to go with you. Might distract me from having fun if I had to worry about you shooting me either accidentally or on purpose.
        ________________________________________________________________
        Well I actually teach shooting and hunting skills, but I don’t blame you.
        I don’t go shooting with people I don’t know either.
        My hunting partner says I’m one brave white boy…going into the woods with a “N”…with a gun! LOL (his words)

    • eddie47d

      Hey Bill-A Bong! I’ll do whatever it takes to “protect the children”. If administration officials in schools are willing to be armed then so be it. I also see little viable use for semi-automatics anywhere in the public arena. Not with police officers or private citizens [comment has been edited]

      • Bill

        There are some many BS scams perpetuated on the unsuspecting taxpayers in the name of “It’s For The Children”

        And this gun grab is no different

      • phideaux

        ” I also see little viable use for semi-automatics anywhere in the public arena.”

        eddies true colors show a little more each day. It was the AR-15 riflews then semi-auto rifles, now it is all semi-autos. Before long it will be all repeating firearms.

      • eddie47d

        Bill: I haven’t met a gun owner on this site yet who doesn’t have a new excuse to buy a weapon every time a kid is killed. Funny how that happens! Thankfully all gun owners aren’t that mentally gruesome!

      • JC

        eddie47d says:

        January 8, 2013 at 9:59 am

        Hey Bill-A Bong! I’ll do whatever it takes to “protect the children”. If administration officials in schools are willing to be armed then so be it. I also see little viable use for semi-automatics anywhere in the public arena. Not with police officers or private citizens [comment has been edited]
        __________________________________________________________________

        eddie, you just don’t get it do you?
        No one cares what you see…or don’t see.
        The law is the law and for damned good reason that is WAY over your head.
        So, until the Constitution itself is changed, you are free to express your whiny
        uninformed little opinion, but that’s all. :)

  • Jay Scott

    A-man, Bill !

  • mark

    What is this nonsense about the “gun grabbers” this is the talking point phrase being used ad nauseum on right-wing talk radio and blogs? No one is talking about grabbing guns but rather about reinstating the ban on semi-automatic assault rifles, and limiting multi-round ammo magazines. Also closing the massive loophole where gun purchasers at gun shows, where nearly 40% of all guns are sold, don’t have to submit to a background check. And of course, the discussion about having armed guards at schools. All of these are very reasonable measures for the greater safety of society and have nothing to do with “gun grabbers.” This whole phrase in a propaganda ploy of the NRA and the Far Right totally disconnected from the reality of the current discussion and of possible new legislation.

    • phideaux

      ” Also closing the massive loophole where gun purchasers at gun shows, where nearly 40% of all guns are sold, don’t have to submit to a background check.”

      First prove that nearly 40% of all guns sold are sold at a gun show. Second there is NO massive loophole. A gun dealer has to use the instant check system no matter where he sells a gun. The only sales that do not have to submit to a background check are private sales and there are VERY few of those done at gun shows.

      • Flashy

        Phi…of all guns sold, 40% are gun shows. there is a large number of private sales which are not subjected to background or registering the sale rules.

        I would think common sense, and responsible gun owners, would want all sales subject to a background check and registering the sale. It would weed out bad sellers, and be able to backtrack who is selling guns to the bad guys.

        Are you against that ? (serious question. Seems common sense to me. A gun is a dangerous item, selling them should be a tad more as involved as selling a car)

      • JeffH

        phideaux, do you frequent Shotgunworld,com? I spend time every day on there(hattles)and saw a phideaux_2003 on a few of the threads.

      • phideaux

        Nope JeffH that is not me.

      • JC

        Flashy says:

        January 8, 2013 at 12:31 pm

        Phi…of all guns sold, 40% are gun shows. there is a large number of private sales which are not subjected to background or registering the sale rules.

        I would think common sense, and responsible gun owners, would want all sales subject to a background check and registering the sale. It would weed out bad sellers, and be able to backtrack who is selling guns to the bad guys.
        _____________________________________________________________________
        Sounds like someone wants a whole lot of bureaucracy involved.
        Wouldn’t it just be easier to drop them in their tracks when they commit a crime?
        It would save the “law” system a lot of time too. ;-)

      • phideaux

        And Flashy’s only proof is his claim that it is so. He has no source or link to prove his assertion. Until such time as he can provide that link I say he LIES.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Sorry, phideaux but flashy is not lying. His figure of 40% is something I wasn’t aware of, but his assertions about sales at gun shows are heading in the right direction. I don’t know if you saw the long string of comments I was involved in on another thread (with wyo?) about gun shows in VA, where I live. Things ARE pretty loose here—-guns are sold without much documentation and even out of trunks in the parking lot. I’m not going to get a citation for you but I did mention back then that ABC’s 20/20 show did an expose on national TV after the VA Tech shootings where they took the brother of one of the victims (a young lady last name of Samaha) to a Richmond VA gun show, gave him a couple of thousand dollars in cash, and sent him in. He bought 10 guns in an hour and made several trips carrying armloads out to the parking lot to stash them in the ABC vehicle, and on one of those trips someone approached him to “deal” because they thought he was a “trunk” guy..

        Google “ABC 20/20 gun show expose Samaha” and you should find the video clip. Take a look at it and give us your reaction

      • S.C.Murf

        right brain fart, you keep sticking up for fast eddie and flashless as soon as someone disagrees with them, are you 3 a 3 some or are you all the same person?

        up the hill
        airborne

      • eddie47d

        Is that like your earlier false accusation against me Papa Smurf . Get a life!

      • phideaux

        “Sorry, phideaux but flashy is not lying. His figure of 40% is something I wasn’t aware of,…”

        You were not aware of it yet you are blindly accepting it as fact without a shread of documentation to back it up.

  • PBerry

    What the media is avoiding – not letting everyone know – is that Most of the people that have committed the crimes, such as mall shootings, OK gov building, school shootings, military base, etc. were on prescription drugs for anxiety, depression, mania… There are studies available to actually see the stats on the killings in relation to the drugs. The big drug companies are paying huge bucks to the families, as they failed to let them know this type of behavior was a top known reaction to the medications, and not a “mere” possibility. So when you are calling the killers idiots, and calling for more control – the control actually falls on the gov on the medications – the effects of it – and therefore what can and will most likely happen once it is in the body – whether by gun, knife, baseball bat or chainsaw. Controlling the drug companies – not the legal/responsible gun owners is what the focus should be!.

    • tony newbill

      everyone in general needs faith in the Lord above the Vanity and all the 6 other Deadly Sins that regulate the Mind , Body and Spirit and guide with hope rather than disappointment from a lack of hope from a False Prophet !!!!!

  • tony newbill

    Even in Sand Hook its 9-1 against new Gun laws !!!!!!!!! http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/behind-the-curtain-the-hell-no-caucus-85872.html

    • tony newbill

      people get it , we need armed security in all public places to get those who desire to follow the path of evil and to detour

      • Flashy

        tony…ever been to South America? Columbia, Ecuador, Bolivia, Peru?

        • tony newbill

          How did that lack of arms in Benghazi work out FOOL ???? Do you think they would have tried to take them out if they would have known there was adequate arms inside ? What the heck do you think those Nukes in the world have been all these years ??? What do you think would happen if the USA had none , this same reasoning applies across the board right down to the local level of security so please open your kept self up to the fact that you along with the rest of us will be sitting targets without personal security .

      • tony newbill

        And Flashy all those areas are on the verge of going communist in a second !

      • tony newbill

        Actually they are Communist areas under cartel rule .

      • Flashy

        Never thought of them when you spouted about armed guards everywhere eh?

        And …. According to you, this nation is about to go communist. You have such an ignorant knowledge of any of those countries and their government/state. And you just don’t think of what you are demanding do you ?

    • eddie47d

      Now that is deceiving quackery Tony and you know it. Cotton won in a Red State and in a Conservative district in Arkansas. Which has nothing to do with those who live in Sandy Hook. Naturally he will receive a 9-1 vote!

      • independent thinker

        While Tom Cotton is from one of the more concervative counties in Arkansas the District as a whole is hardly concervative. In fact I was pleasantly suprised that he beat the somewhat more liberal Jeffries because Jefferies is from the more liberal part of the district.

  • Stretch

    All this rhetoric ignores the reason for the 2nd. In 1776 and forward, our founders looked to overthrow a tyrannic government. England had muskets, American Citizens had muskets. The Colonists won. Now, the government has more powerful weapons, so should the citizens. The 2nd is meant to protect us from tyranny – much like we see in the WH and Congress (Hussein Obama and Feinstein). This Amendment allows for all the other rights spelled out in the First 10…..

  • JeffH

    My letter to Diane Feinstein sent to her through her website’s online email contact on 1/4/2013
    https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/e-mail-me

    If you agree, send your own letter to your senator and let them know your views on any and all gun bans. Sen. Feinstein is our California senator. Feel free to copy this letter.

    Honorable Senator Feinstein,

    I am a gun owner and want to express my views about the proposed legislation attempting to make it harder for law abiding people to enjoy the sports of shooting and owning a firearm.

    I am a Transportation Manager and I am genuinely concerned that the government plans to eclipse my usage of sport shooting.

    Gun ownership is one of the most ardent rights that I believe in. We need to enforce the laws we already have and get rid of the ones that are not enforceable.

    I realize as a legislator you have to show that you are receptive to our needs. I am not one that wants you to reinstall the ban on so-called assault weapons or regular capacity magazines.

    You cannot legislate “crazy.” In almost every instance of mass killing, there were ample red flags and warning alarms that either were avoided or were not acted upon by mental health professionals, family members, friends and acquaintances. While I deeply respect an individual’s privacy and civil liberties, the American people need basic awareness of what indicators to look for regarding potentially violent, psychotic people. Our collective safety begins with being collectively vigilant.

    We need to promote gun safety through public education so that younger generations will grow up with a well-rounded understanding of firearm safety.

    In closing, I would like to emphasize that you work for me, not the other way around. I will not cower to you or anyones else’s gun grabbing mentality. I have an inalienable right to own the gun of my choice for any and all legal means up to and including my own personal defense of self and property.

    I will defend that right through every legal means afforded me by law and by the Constitution and fight you, through those legal means, every step of the way.

    Please reconsider the harm you will cause to legal and legitimate law abiding citizens by your, and others, overzealous attempt to implement a gun ban of any kind. Your attempt to limit or ban guns in America will only empower the criminals that have no respect for the law.

    Sincerely,

    • JeffH

      NOTE: I have yet to recieve a response from Feinstein. In the past, responses were usually recieved within 1-3 days.

      I will post the reponse once it is recieved.

      • Coalminer

        JeffH,
        Feinstein can grab my gun.You know the one mother nature gave me.Ha Ha Ha.

      • JeffH

        Coalminer, you do know her hands are very cold don’t you? She’ll only get my guns barrels first, safety off and loaded to the max…the shriveled up ole hag!

      • eddie47d

        Jeff the typical Conservative name caller! What do you call your mother?

      • JeffH

        eddie you ignoramous…what does your mother call you would be the better question. As a matter of fact, I’d like to know what your whole family calls you(seeing as how you decided to bring family into this)to your face(son, father, grandad, uncle)…and then behind your back(moron, idiot, dummy,ignorant and embarrasing).

      • JeffH

        eddie you heartless troll, just for the record I lovingly called my one and only mother, who passed away in Oct.1994 from cancer, MOM!

      • JC

        Exactly right Jeff….and absolutely spineless no class bottom feeding …..

      • eddie47d

        Since name calling is one of your specialties Jeff H I doubted if you were raised right. My apologies to your mother.

      • JeffH

        eddie, I don’t accept nor need no stinkin’ apologies from you, you hypocritical and heartless troll!

      • JeffH

        For the record ya dummy, “No one can rival you(eddie)and your hypocrisy when it comes to initiating name calling and then hypocritcally pointing at others about their name calling.”

        Stupid is as stupid does
        Mrs. Gump

  • Coalminer

    Amendment II

    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.Second Amendment.

  • Coalminer

    Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms. [...] the right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government and one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.
    – Hubert H. Humphrey, 1960

    “One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms.”
    – Constitutional scholar Joseph Story, 1840

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    JESSE VENTURA debates “Gun Control” with Morgan Piers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxNenz7q_eY

  • rick

    O.K. Folks,,Let’s remember our history lessons……First in any take over of a government and people is …Take over of the Media,,,THAT’S DONE,,,More influence of the government,,THAT’S DONE..More laws for everything,,THAT’S DONE….influence or take over of business so they must be for the government,,,,THAT’S DONE…AND OF COURSE, SUSPENSION OF RIGHTS,, THAT’S BEING DONE.

    DO NOT SUPPORT ANY ANTI-GUN POLITICOES OR THEIR PARTY.
    DO NOT LISTEN OR SUPPORT ANY TV OR MEDIA THAT SUPPORT THIS PRESENT GOVERNMENT. THAT MEANS ABC,MSNBC,CNN,PBS,NBC,,ETC.
    DO NOT SUPPORT ANY COMPANY OR BRAND THAT IS SUPPORTING THIS GOVERNMENT.

  • Bruce

    I own a pistol and I use that 10 shot semi auto to hunt rabbits, have for years, never robbed anyone with it. Have you ever tried to hit a running rabbit with a pistol, with one shot? I plan to shoot 5 times every time i begin to shoot, so I NEED a semi auto gun. I have many head shots to my credit. Don’t tell me semi auto pistols have no use for anything, they are good for hunting. Not only does it take a lot of skill to hit a running rabbit in the head, it takes more than one shot most of the time, and they need to come quickly as a rabbit runs, or I don;t get dinner. Hitting a running rabbit also makes you proud of your accomplishment. And if I can hit a running rabbit in the head, a much larger target inside of my house would be much easier. I appreciate guns and the joy the bring to me. See I am in the pursuit of happiness when I use my gun. And I am allowed to peruse happiness unless it interferes with someone elses rights, which rabbit hunting does not do, rabbits get no rights in this they are dinner.
    Have you hugged your gun today?
    It has kept this country free of foreign invaders for 250 years..

    • http://yahoo Don

      bruce you must have a decent sized bank account. i think a machine gun type weapon would fit you better. i deer hunt. i hear people shooting semi -auto high ppower rifles. ive counted up to 10 shots. somewhere between ten and twenty dollars. why don’t you invest in a 17 caliber hmr riflle shells are’nt real expensive and it is probly the most accurate small bore rifle of its kind. i dialed my scope down to a quarter inch pattern and can hit anything within a hundred yard shot. how about hitting a squirrel in the head at 75 yards. prescision shooting is a lot more enjoyable.

      • Bruce

        I have no bank account, inflation.
        Deer hunting… one shot one kill.
        When I shot my bear I shot him in his left eye, quick kill for sure of a 12 year old animal.
        I do not rifle hunt for rabbits I use a 10 shot pistol.
        You know a PISTOL FOR HUNTING, like everyone tells you no one uses said pistol for.
        .177 is a interesting caliber, but a 22 round costs about .03 cents so 5 shot bursts out of a SEMI AUTO is only .15 cents.

  • John W. Howard

    Until we charge the traitors of this country we will have no freedom. Step one sign this petition. That is the first legal step in emptying the white house of the scum that is trying to stael our freedom.

    To charges any official or politician who brings gun control to the congress or senate on the grounds of treason.
    Under Article III Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution by definition gun control would weaken the United States of America to invasion potentially. While not an enemy China does pose a potential, they were the first nation to call for strict gun control.

    December 15, 2012, 11:31 pm

    China Calls for ‘No Delay’ on Gun Controls in U.S.

    By MARK MCDONALD

    HONG KONG — The state news agency in China, the official voice of the government, has called for the United States to quickly adopt stricter gun controls in the aftermath of the shooting rampage in Connecticut that left 28 people dead, including 20 schoolchildren.

    Any call for gun control would be criminally giving aid and comfort to any potential enemy. and a violation of the Second Amendment of the Constitution.

    URL : https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/charges-any-official-or-politician-who-brings-gun-control-congress-or-senate-grounds-treason/gsQyfMCW

    Thank you for any help you can give.

    John W Howard

  • flipped54

    The indifference to the mass shootings of the past year is becoming more and more evident. Many have already forgotten how these young children, teenagers and adults died and were robbed of their lives by senseless violence. Celebrating guns is strong evidence of this. The focus on finding a solution to this unnecessary epidemic is now on self centered desires and the thrill of owning and shooting a weapon. This self centered desire and thrill are of course anyone’s right but at the same time it shows how we have allowed ourselves to become desensitized to the right of others to “Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. You see these rights are also the rights of those who don’t have guns. You may be able to hug your gun but the parents and families of the children murdered at Sandy Hook don’t have the “luxury”, or the right to hug their children anymore. For I think they would rather hug their children and not a gun. It has been destroyed by the “thrill’. To look away and say, “Too bad, too bad. It is just the price we pay for our violent society” is unacceptable and not a solution. Yes, we may need armed guards at schools for now but that still does not solve the problem. The next mass shooting may take away your ability to hug your child. What is your solution?

    • David Jepson

      Flipped 54, you still don’t get it. Of course the shooting at Sandy Hook is the worst thing I have seen since the time I tried to breath life into a 6 month old baby killed in a car crash. Drunk driver. And the liberals of our society want to talk about his childhood being so bad. After all, he cannot go to jail, he was just drinking what is legal. The answer is not to outlaw weapons of ANY kind. The answer is to enforce the laws we already have. Why is the left so afraid of guns that kill less people each year than DOCTORS. Kill less people a year than car crashes, kill less people a year than knives, kill less people a year than medicine. Outlaw these things. After all, a doctor can hug his medicine bag, but the mother cannot hug her child the doctor just killed. Abortion KILLS MORE CHILDREN each year than GUNS. Let us end abortion jerk off. You people are so much a culture of death. Oh don’t take away a woman’s right to kill her baby, let us instead outlaw guns so no more babies get shot. But it is okay for them to be pulled apart in abortion. PUT YOUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT!

    • gunner

      Mental health is the issue. Sane people don’t mow down innocent children. Let’s put the emphasis where it needs to be because gun control measures won’t fix unstable people. I a loon intends to inflict mass casualities, they will find a way to do it with, or without, a gun. Look at what they do in the middle east with car bombs. The same thing could have been done at Sandy Hook.

      The gun control advocates in congress are using the recent tragedies to stir up support for their agenda – a nationwide registry of gun owners, banning and confiscating guns. After failing to do so with the Fast and Furious program, they had to sit back and wait for another event to cause public outrage. Adam Lanza lit the match for them. It would be REALLY interesting to know what was on his computers but with the FBI doing the investigating, we’ll never know the truth – just like Behghazi.

      Please stop the fervor about registering, banning and confisgating guns and concentrate on mental health so we can prevent mass tragedies by loons hell bent on causing chaos.

    • Bruce

      how many children are killed by drunks every day?
      Where is the outcry about that?
      why just the outrcy at guns?
      Because until they take our guns we are a FREE PEOPLE.
      They can take our drunks, but do they?
      They let them back on the roads to kill again.
      But they want to take guns from people who have never broke a law.
      Let me tell ya, taking our guns is a HUGE mistake as it violates a NATURAL LAW of self preservation.
      Break that law and then speak to the big guy.

  • Platoon Sergeant Che

    The 2ND Ammendment was included by our founders for WE THE PEOPLE; of TODAY.
    They knew that history repeats; that our elected servants, and their bureaucrat army of appointed, would seek more and more power NOT granted by the very constitution they wrote. They had lived under tyranny and comprehended that WE THE PEOPLE would stand for liberty; or choose serfdom, compliance and a return to BONDAGE. I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country. Give me liberty or give me death. As for my people, children are their oppressor, and women rule over them. O my people, those which lead thee cause ye to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. Isaiah 3;12

  • flipped54

    Shapiro, in the interview on CNN, is concerned about government tyranny in the next 50 to 100 years. What about the next few months when the chance for another mass shooting is much, much higher than the chance of tyranny. Or is celebrating guns more important right now? Saving lives should be a priority now….don’t you think? Maybe that involves armed guards at schools and public places but that still does not solve the problem….what do you think?

    • Steve Thomas

      We are “celebrating ” guns because they ARE the answer. If you want to decrease the number of people killed by the mass murders, either stop the prescription drug problem or set up a defense. Almost all of the recent crazies were on drugs, like Zoloft and other ANTI deppresants. Or defend the schools. Putting police in the school is NOT the answer. You are not likely to high quality people. Actually you are more likely to get the caliber of TSA agents and thanks but NO THANKS. Why not do what Israel did and train the teachers and allow conceal/carry. It has worked for them for decades.

    • Bruce

      what do I think?
      I think we should outlaw alcohol, it worked so good last time….
      Actually when did a ban on something make anything better?
      Did Americans stop drinking during probation? Well some honest citizens did, but most did not.
      The law was useless at eliminating the use of alcohol.
      If we had had cameras in every house back then would probation have worked?
      Why do they thing the probation of guns will help anyone but the criminals, including the criminal in gov..
      Well that gives me a new idea, become a criminal, or a politician, so the laws won’t matter to me anymore, since politicians are above our laws now, and so I can have a gun, and use it to further my social standing, by taking what was yours and converting it to what is mine…
      If you have a gun you might be able to stop me, but there are not enough cops to watch everything that needs watching.
      And if all my criminal buddies also get elected, well the Fox is now in control of the hen house, and I want chicken for dinner.
      If you fools can not think yourself out of a wet paper bag how will you outsmart those that are now seeking to enslave you?

  • David Jepson

    To all liberals and John, The conversation should not be about how many children did or did not die. It is about the Constitution and the Rights granted to the American people brought about by the blood of our fore fathers. How flippant the left is when they talk about giving up our rights. You know, for security. Hitler told Germany how great it was for a modern country to have gun control and the people could finally be safe. B.S. Sounds like Heir Obama talking don’t it? Hey, a novel idea. Let us ENFORCE the thousands of gun laws that we ALREADY HAVE. Jerk off liberals think that if we give up our guns, well then ALL criminals will also give up their guns, we can then all sit around the camp fire and sing KUM-BA-YA together and live happily ever after. Guns are what made us a free country, guns are what kept us a free country. I for one will NOT COMPLY with ANY gun restricting law. Period. Do I need a 30 round magazine to kill a deer? No. I need a 30 round magazine to make sure Heir Obama does not try to make me a slave. Period. End of story.

    • Deerinwater

      A mental exam wouldn’t do you any harm either.

      “Group calls for $38 million for NH mental health needs

      By MARK HAYWARD
      New Hampshire Union Leader
      CONCORD – An organization that represents community-based mental health centers released a $38 million strategy on Monday for addressing what it terms the “horrific escalation of (mental health) crises” in the Granite State.

      The New Hampshire Community Behavioral Health Association, which comprises 10 mental health centers, made its recommendations on the one-month anniversary of the Newtown, Conn., shooting.”

  • Rennie

    Newspapers continue to spout the LIE that Lanza was using an AR-15, call them out as liars!

  • Christine g

    You all need to grow up… We have a constitutional right to choose or not to have weapons… You people don’t want one then so be it but leave our choices and rights alone… And don’t try the bull about forefathers being misinterpreted or constitution outdated cause that’s a crock…if that were the case then the whole bill of rights would be too… No free speech, no pleading the fifth.. No nothing… So don’t care to hear it

    • Steve Thomas

      And “without the Second Amendment, the rest won’t matter”! Gun control is NOT about guns, it is about control. 170 MILLION people have died BECAUSE of gun control. I would prefer not to become part of that statistic!

  • http://midcontent ridge runner

    Something I have noticed about the anti freedom rights rights groups, that they are really into government control over everything we do down to what we eat. Since I have at gun shows, livestock shows and sales, even yard sales, one outstand feature is a vegan mindset is common in all these government know best, and more government control to end any problem, real or dreamed up, Washington has a plan, to these idoits.

  • Michael Wade

    Please, all gun owners, If you want to protect your gun rights, JOIN THE NRA.

  • http://midcontent ridge runner

    Don’t forget to buy ammo and reloading supplies!

  • E Gabris

    Being immersed this week in the national discussion about future restrictions on the ownership of guns, it has become apparent that this is not a Second Amendment issue. The US has had for many years laws prohibiting Americans from owning fully automatic guns, machine guns an other military combat-type weapons and noone has challenged these laws as a violation of the Second Amendment right to bear arms. The real question is where to draw the line between guns that Americans can legally own and those they cannot. So the issue here is should assault weapons of the type used at Sandy Hook and other recent massacres be restricted.

    Many gun advocated have argued that Americans need weapons to ensure they have the firepower to overturn a tyrannical government if it infringes on our Constitutional rights. If this is really their belief, they should be arguing that the ban on ownership of fully automatic weapons, machine guns and similar combat weapons is a violation of the Second Amendment. These weapons would be essential if an armed rebellion has any hope of being successful.

    When the discussion is framed this way, the Second Amendment is not part of the discussion. The decision facing Americans is to determine the type of society in which we wish to live.

    • t.e.smith

      modern weaponry like drones, robotic vehicles, gas, gun ships, tactical nukes, computerized aiming and firing, etc. invalidate the argument about physically resisting/ overthrowing any industrialized government .

  • BobF

    Quotes from the Founding Fathers concerning the right to bear arms:

    “Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.”~George Washington

    “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” — Thomas Jefferson

    “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” — Thomas Jefferson quoting someone else during a speech.

    “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” Thomas Jefferson

    “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” — Thomas Jefferson

    “The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.” George Washington

    “Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense.” — John Adams

    “I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole body of the people except for a few public officials. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them…” — James Madison

    “Let us recollect that peace or war will not always be left to our option; that however moderate or unambitious we may be, we cannot count upon the moderation, or hope to extinguish the ambition of others. …The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” — Alexander Hamilton

    “The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”-Thomas Jefferson

    “Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.”-James Madison

    “When firearms go, all goes – we need them every hour.” George Washington.

    “Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.” James Madison

    “The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world, as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them.” Thomas Paine

    “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” George Washington

    It is clear what the left wants to acccomplish. We will not allow it to happen, doing so would be to betray America and the Constitution, as well as rights that are there whether the Constitution gives them or not (“God given rights”).

  • ibcamn

    I wonder how the pres is going to say about the gang banger that stabbed a deaf guy(for using sign language)with a knife!the guy is a repeat offender(this guy is obviously a nut case) for assault!Obama wont say squat!assault style and semi-auto weapons are what he’s after!he’s using deaths as a reason,but Obama and his henchmen pick n choose what they want to use and mix n match %’s only to there favor.this is what they will continue to do till he uses ex order to get what HE want’s not what WE want!

    • Bruce

      banning knives will stop all stabbings, banning lighters and matches will stop all arson, banning cars will stop drunk drivers, having a camera (monitored by the state) in your home will keep you safe from your drunkard husband whom you like to verbally abuse,
      How can we be more safe? Require bicyclists to wear stupid looking helmets? Requiring healthy people to subsidize the health care of those who violated “treat your body like a temple”.

  • ibcamn

    i for one plan on supporting this day as much as i can.i’ve been saving for a while to pick up a few things and now i have a day to purchase said items!and yes i wish all the millions of gun owners would go and spend the day with family or friends and observe your constitutional rights to bear arms!(whatever activity you choose)gun range is always my favorite way to pass the day away!

  • IAMPCBOB

    If the Russian people had not given up their guns, that little revolution back in the early 20th Century would have ended a lot differently, I surmise. Also, suppose the Germans hadn’t given up their guns, back in the 30′s? A FAR different outcome, huh? EVERY tyrant has started out with two huge changes: Government healthcare, and confiscating the guns. After that, taking the country over is like stealing candy from a baby. Are we about to get the secoind phase of our demise?

    • http://www.facebook.com/arly.pedersen Arly Pedersen

      IAMPCBOB is exactly right. History has shown the first step to be conquered is the disarming of the population. Gun control doesn’t work in Northern Ireland guns have never been legal but every thug on the streets own one.

  • Ed

    Folks: Our Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that “laws” that contradict the Constitution are not worth the paper they’re printed on. Period. Anything not specifically spelled out in the Constitution is the domain of the States or “we the people”. (Y)our county Sheriff is specifically charged to enforce this exact state of affairs. There are numerous instances of county sheriffs confronting the feds, threatening them with arrest, and the feds backing down. Sheriff Mack (www.sheriffmack.com) sued the US over such issues, went to the Supreme Court, and won big time. Go read about it on his site, then go have a polite conversion with your county sheriff. Might help to remind them that sheriffs are elected by their local county voters… Seems to me that such a local approach involving those who can actually DO SOMETHING would be way more effective, even though the “cool factor” might be lower, and it will require a longer attention span to bring to fruition. Also, anyone who is deputized by their county sheriff has the same authority. Care to join the local sheriff’s Auxiliary, anyone? Sun Tzu would approve…

  • AZ Don

    There is only one reason and one reason alone to wish to disarm the citizens of any nation and that reason is to force upon them the will of a tyrannical government. To force them to do things they could not if they were armed. Of course it will be perpetrated under the guise of providing security. This is the very action we were warned about over two hundred years ago by our founders. Have we grown so apathetic we no longer care about freedom or have we grown so ignorant we are unable to see what is actually the goal of “our” government? Anyone who thinks our government would not do such a thing may I remind them that’s what the Germany and Russians also thought. They were wrong, as are we!

  • Tom

    I will get in off the road Saturday morning – and head STRAIGHT to my favorite gun shop in town. I WOULD buy the upper for my AR lower but they’ve been sold out for weeks. So instead, I’ll pick up some spare ammo and some accessories I’ve been wanting but putting off. This will be the day to do it.

  • rogerr hensley

    Every gun owner needs to join together and show your support on the 19th of Jan. Then we need to stay together and have a 3million men armed march on the 4th of July. United we stand divided we fall. If every gun owner would stand up for the 2en amenment, The gun-grabbers wouldn’t know what to do. Even if you don’t like guns, it’s not right what our goverment is doing. This is about our rights, they are all ready working on taking the first amenment away. Our goverment is trying to take our rights away,That our for fathers fought so hard for. I guess it’s all right for our goverment to kill 4.000 babies a day, But they say guns do more harm yea right. We loose our guns we loose our freedom and the persuite to happiness. What better way to take a country over. Is to take your guns away. Also how are you going to protect your family. For you gun-grabbers. If you hate guns so bad then why are you protected by arm guards. If it is so safe why don’t you walk down the street without your guards. To everyone gun lovers and gun hatters, we loose our rights our goverment can and will do what ever they want. In one way or another we all will be breaking the law. Cause we will be under marshall law. This is not going to go away and everyone needs to write or call your Sentor or congress man. Rember this is about our rights and our children future

  • Bear

    You may not belive this, but the goverment is buliding camps to hold people.McCain gets his way. He will put people who have never broken the law in jail for life with out a trial. Wake up Americans, this also goes for the gun-grabbers. Be careful our goverment is after everyone who doesn’t do what they say.If nothing else think about your children. Obama care is all ready costing me more money than last year.Your ins. is not covering alot of things that were covered all i can say is WAKE UP AMERICANS.Rember united we stand, divided we fall

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Criminal Vs. Civil:
    1st. Move Criminal Use what the Out Laws did; to take the property, from Law abiders.
    3rd. Move Criminal > Make more laws to control Civilians.
    1st move Civil: Accept the slippery slope of Slavery…

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      Now that is sevear Editing…

  • http://www.rockabillyhall.com joe

    they are all nuts pepole kill guns DONT ARE WE CLEAR ON THIS THEY CANT UNDER STAND THE GOV ARE DUNNYS THE WILL NEVER LEARN

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