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CBO: Healthcare Bill Could Cost Billions More Than Expected

May 18, 2010 by  

CBO: Healthcare bill could cost billions more than expected The Obama administration’s newly passed healthcare reform bill could potentially cost $115 billion more than originally anticipated in its first 10 years of implementation, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) said last week.

Officials with the organization indicated that the modifications to the bill’s price tag are due to previously uncounted discretionary spending, including $34 billion for community health centers and $39 billion for Indian healthcare, The Associated Press (AP) reports. The revised figure also takes into account $10 billion to $20 billion in administrative costs for the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and the Department of Health and Human Services.

If Congress approves the discretionary spending in the bill, nearly all of the cost savings touted by the CBO in March would be eliminated.

House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said the new analysis of the bill "provides ample cause for alarm."

"The American people wanted one thing above all from health care reform: lower costs, which Washington Democrats promised, but they did not deliver," he added. "These revelations widen the serious credibility gap President Obama is facing."

Meanwhile, Kenneth Baer, spokesman for the White House budget agency, said that the president would make sure to offset any additional discretionary spending with cuts to other domestic programs to keep costs stable.
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  • angel-wanna-be

    The cause for alarm was BEFORE the healthcare bill was passed, but the this Administration turned a deaf ear to the people anyway! The Health care Bill is going to cost more than first thought, Go figure_ Pelosi said the bill had to be passed before, anyone could read it. I love the brilliance of This Administration who insists running amok with a no limit credit card. As Margret thatcher said, “The problem with Socialism is, that it works ,until you run out of other peoples money”! The looming question still remains is, has the number of people, who supposedly were dying in the streets “without” health care, dropped, Even though, the bulk of the Health care bill, will not be fully implemented until 2014?
    There is no credibility Gap, because there is no credibility at all. This insatiable Administration, continues spending with a no limit credit card and won’t be satisfied til each of us, sell all we have, are lined up in row homes, with 2.0 children each, working for equal pay, and handing that pay over for the Governmnet to dole an allowance BACK to us, just like a bunch of friggin robots!
    This Administration needs to go in 2010-2012 and it begins again today!___Vote Spector out!!

    • WarriorH

      Go get em Angel! Fraud and deceit is rampant. It appears as though the majority of this countries citizens are not enjoying life under Chicago Politics. Guess what, neither do Chicagoans.

      • angel-wanna-be

        WARRIORh, YOUR RIGHT!__But this Administration Rose Colored Glasses are painting the picture, that THEY ARE LOVED!___Good Grief it makes me gag!!

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Larry Johnson

      A little more than 30% of Americans, prop up this so called President, they are the ones who believe his lies, the same thirty percent who believe Americans should not have the right to bare arms, or to speak what’s on their minds. They do as they are told,and are ready to push their way, through Conservative groups using what ever force necessary to give Obama,and this administration, all the power they can grab. They are no different, than brain dead group, who gave Hitler the power, to rise up and murder millions. If you believe for a second,that this administration is surprised, at the new numbers for health care, you are walking too close to the edge. Recognize the danger, and prepare for the violence to come, union thugs will pounce on peace loving Americans, where ever we gather, and Obama will be the power behind them, just as he stands with the Black panthers. It’s no longer true, that no one is above the law. Will you be led like sheep to the slaughter of will you show your teeth in defiance,and fight for the freedom, and God given rights they wish to take away ? God Bless all freedom loving Americans, and give us the will to do what we must.

      • angel-wanna-be

        Larry, the old man and I have a lot of friends who believe in our President, the Messiah and Thief!__They all complain about the same things, tax and spend__yet they think he is grand and doing a great job!!!__THOSE OF US WHO HAVEN’T BEEN DRINKIN’ THE KOOLAID, WE HAVE TO ADMITT TO DEFEAT, WE CAN’T FIX STUPID!!!___BUT WE JUST HELPED TO VOTE A FEW OF THEM OUT OF WASHINGTON TODAY!

    • Rob Alexander

      Robots? I think you mean children there. You’ve just described a dependent child.

      That does seem to be the goal of modern day government – to act as parent.

  • Raggs

    Did you hear what pelosi said this week…

    Quit your job and get free health care you have nothing to worry about the government will take care of you.

    I seen that last night on Fox..

    I still think the numbers are all wrong $115 billion is a joke, It will be at least ten times that much in the first few years and 20 times that amount in 5 years.

    • angel-wanna-be

      Raggs, Pelosi, is Alice in Wonderland revised!_Living on Rainbows, Stars and laced with arsenic! The numbers the Administration have for the Health care cost, are projected and thats all, they know about as much as you and I know. They could care less anyway. All they want is the power grab and control. The bureaucrats will be telling our doctors whether or not it’s worth it or not to treat us and HOW!. I pray that this bill is stopped BEFORE it is fully implemented!!!

      • angel-wanna-be

        Back later, doing breakfast!

        • Raggs

          Yup….. power over the people!!!
          Sounds kinnda like communism doesn’t it!!!

          • angel-wanna-be

            Raggs, it sure as hell does sound like a communist country!_ I’m waiting for the day, I have to ask permission to cut my grass, because, God forbid, if gas emissions get into my air space here, Baby seals will die!__Ridiculous!

  • Joe

    The Holy Grail called FOX is alway truthful. Whatever! This administration is still too new to judge. Good Grief, we gave Bush 8 years before anyone cried foul and he did some serious damage to this country. He kept everyone in fear so he could spend every dime of a surplus and managed to hand over the largest budget deficit in history.

    Not saying this administration is going to be great, but I am willing to give some time to see what happens. A year and a half is too soon to know how this will play out.

    • Dan Burke

      Really, eight years? Eight years perhaps before many “Republicans” called foul, yes. A lot sooner than that and he was getting “bad press.” The press was all over the lack of WMDs in Iraq very early on, plus anything else they could find to make the president look incompetent. Now they do the opposite with Obama, presenting a pretty picture of a charismatic and inspiring Commander-in-chief. Sure, FOX News “attacks.” But no one else is doing it…. Personally, I think America is getting what she deserves, socialism and tyranny. How soon until America is broke? We are racing past broke. We just haven’t been slapped with bill yet. Why was I opposed to “universal” healthcare? Because I don’t trust government. Even if the current administration is benevolent (which I don’t believe they are), it creates the infrastructure by which our freedoms can be taken from us. I am hoping that the Republicans/Independents do by chance make big roads in this year’s election, and perhaps the Democrats that get elected include very few incumbents. Why? Because, if our government is really run by radical revolutionaries, they might reveal if they are or not when their power is threatened.

      • patricia

        America was a unique and individualistic government at one time. We were NOT like “everyone else”. Describing this administration, does
        “one size fits all” ring a bell?

        If you think HC is bad now,don’t worry,( taxes quadruple easily),and WILL.

    • American Liberal

      Joe… True… 18 months after the disaster George W. Bush put this country in is far to soon to judge this administration….and Fox news is designed for people with the IQ of a dust mite…

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        American Liberal… You bring up Fox news a lot in your posts. You seem to really have a hatred for common sense and decency.

        Of course the Health Care bill will cost more than anticipated. Who read it? I am sure that you will be lucky to find that anyone who voted on it read it. Nancy didn’t find it necessary to read it before voting for it.

        I believe that after November the Health Care bill will be repealed. Congress will have a change in employees after the election and when it comes to handing out the money for this ludicrous bill, it will get voted down and it will have to dry up and go away. Barry and his buds may be thinking that this isn’t going to happen, but it will.

        • Darrell Russell

          Robin;
          You are right about the change in employment, and I do think that Obama knows about what is taking place and is taking the appropriate action now so the fall will not be to hard in 2012

        • Jeep

          Robin, the progressive movement has been in this fight for a long time. They understand that this is a “war”. Progressives know that there will be casualities along the way. Now that this bill is law, they also understand the near impossibility that it will be repealed. The American people may win a battle in the fall, and even score a victory if indeed this bill is defunded. But, they also know that eventually they will be in a position to bring it to fruition. They also understand, that like social security and other entitlement programs, this law will eventually make it into the American psyche and become acceptable. Maybe not this year, or the next five years, but eventually…The cat is out of the bag, and we will not be able to put it back. I am not saying we should give up, just understand that conservatives/libertarians must start looking at each “battle” as a part of a “war”. And, be prepared for the long fight. It has taken progressives generations to get us here, it will take true Americans generations to get big govt out of our lives.

      • gregory

        hey lib.
        what news outlet do you rely on for the truth in investigative journalism???

        • Jana

          gregory,
          You know its funny, there are several news networks out there, and out of all of them there is only one that tells the truth. Yet we see anyone who is afraid of the truth put down the only one, Fox News that tells the truth.
          Even Obama puts it down. That should be the signal to everyone how really good Fox News is. And now Am. Lib gave his indorsement. WOW.
          Anytime a liberal comes out against Fox we know how the truth scares them.

    • Sharon Mancuso

      Some people walk around with blinders on & you are one of them
      Obama is sending this country into thee pits of hell. Wake up & see what he is doing.
      Oh by the way Bush could talk without a tele-prompter,sure would like to see the Obuma do that..

    • Disgusted

      You are blind!

      • Sharon Mancuso

        Disgusted must be on Obumas payroll they aree the only ones that agree withh him or on drugs..

        • Jana

          Sharon,
          That’s exactly why he is disgusted.

    • reb

      Joe, what rock did you just crawl out from under?
      is your shoe size larger than your IQ?

    • Airangel

      Actually Joe, Pelosi did say if “artists” (referring to those in performing arts, actors and actresses) wanted to pursue careers they wouldn’t have to worry about healthcare – “they would be covered”…so not FOX bashing but TRUTH!

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Larry Johnson

      For those people who say, we need to give this administration more time, I say to you. Hitler would have failed if it were not for that kind of thinking. You don’t give a disastrous plan time to succeed, that is foolish, and dangerous. Common sense must prevail,or America will be destroyed from within, wake up, the wolves are already feeding on the sheep, how many will die before you see the truth? I no longer believe that there are a few good Democrats,and the Republicans,many of them are just as bad. God help us! destruction is at our door, and you wish to open it. Will your stupidity kill us all?

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

      Bush’s administration didn’t start this recession that the Democrats blame him for. The economy under him boomed for six and a half years,
      and didn’t head south until six months after his second midterm elections. Guess who at that time won both houses of Cogress and then took over the purse strings of our economy. The economy started its decline because of Freddy Mac and Fannie Mae who were being run by the two appointees of Bill Clinton. they both got a 100 million dollar gold parachutes after the Goverment bailed them out and then they resigned, and refused to give interviews to the media. The then minority party warned the Democrats that there was serious trouble in these two institutions coming, but Barney Frank (having his bed warmed with one of the male executives of one of these institutions)
      claimed they were both doing fine and that there was nothing to worry about. This from who was then the head of the committee on over-sight for these institutions in the House of Representatives after the Democrats won the majority and took it over. In the Senate, the new head of the committee on over-sight for these institutions was being told the same thing as Barney Frank in the House by the minority party, but after he received two special loans, below standard interest rates, also said there was nothing wrong with these institutions. Six months later they both collapsed and had to be bailed out, the first in many more to come in other institutions, and today they both need another billion dollar bailout to stay afloat, or the first bailout would have gone to waste. Ever since the Democrats have taken over Congress and the purse strings of our economy, it has done nothin but kept sinking farther, yet Bush gets the blame. When Bush took over he was being blamed for the recession he inherited from the Clinton administrations last two quarters and the media was condemning him fiercely for the jobs being lost until after his second quarter in office, when he turned it around and the economy started to and did boom for the next six years, that is two quarters after the Democrats took control of both houses of Congress.
      He also created more jobs during his administration than was created during Clinton administration, yet one year and two quarters of the Obama adminstration, our economy keeps sinking farther, after trillions of dollars in bailouts, and the Democrats and Obama are still blaming Bush when they control everything. Maybe, just maybe, they may be doing something wrong, terribly wrong. And no matter what Obama’s administration and his lap dog media tell you, its not getting any better. You better prepare because its going to get much worse, even if the Republicans take back the Congress, to much damage has already been done and they won’t have the votes to over-ride Obama’s vetos when they try to undo the wrong, you need a super majority to do that. It may already be to late for all of us and this country.

    • marvin

      joe there you go back to bush BUSH IS GOIN, OUT,HISTORY,your king obama has spent more in a year and half and at the rate he is going will triple in 4years what bush spent in 8 years

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Joe,
      Bull! Look at some of the early news shows with Katie Couric! she was so pissed when he won that she fairly dripped with hate! Don’t try to feed people B S and call it fillet!!

  • American Liberal

    Let’s see… Your worried the healthcare bill COULD cost more… Has that IRaqi oil started paying for the IRaq war yet?….

    • Raggs

      If you had a job and payed taxes you would feel the same way!
      Entitlement programs are BS.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Yes, conservatives were flipping off the CBO estimates when it said health care costs might be less, now they tout the CBO when it says it might cost more.

      • Jeep

        That’s pretty disingenuous of you Doc. If I told you something that is obviously wrong, you would say I was wrong. And, later told you something that was closer to the truth, you would have to agree. But, with your lack of scruples, I suppose your response is to be expected.

        • Doc Sarvis

          Nice try Jeep. The truth is we don’t know what the financial cost will be and neither does the CBO. I do suspect whether it is cheaper or more expensive the benefits to people’s lives will be worth it.

        • Jeep

          Whatever Doc, I was merely pointing out that fallacy of your statement. Anyone with half a brain would know that you cannot give something away without it costing something. Just like you cannot spend your way out of debt. It’s kinda’ counterintuitive. Unless of course, you think it is a good idea if you are having personal finance troubles and decide to go get a new credit card and buy more stuff…

          • Doc Sarvis

            No fallacy here. Of course nobody was saying the Health Care Reform would not cost anything. Initially, the CBO was saying that the reform would save money that we are throwing away.

            Anyway, I’m glad more people will have access to health care.

          • Jeep

            You’re right! And, the debt be darned…heck, let my kids pay for it…

          • Doc Sarvis

            I am right. We’ve been paying more and more for care for fewer and fewer people already. At least now IF the cost goes up it will go up because it is providing more care to more people instead of less care for fewer people.

          • Jeep

            Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s what they said in France, England, Canada, etc…what great systems they have, is that why the ones who can afford it come here? Just wondering.

          • Jeep

            BTW, great misdirection from your stab at conservatives.

          • Doc Sarvis

            You may not but, I think America is great and can do anything, including health care better than any other country.

          • Rob Alexander

            We DID have better healthcare than any other country – until the government got involved with Medicare and the HMO Act of 1973.

            Any other entity would have the sense to quit doing something that obviously made things worse, but this is government, where the solution to screwing up is always “do MORE of what screwed things up”. Brilliant.

        • Right Wing

          Good point Rob. “Doc” probably runs an immediate care center in a lower income area of his city. Business will be great for him/her. The health care “reform” is just another government-sponsored retirement program for medical professionals. At least the professionals toting a license from an online college, Granada, or the like. More ensured votes for the DNC.

    • Airangel

      This bill costing more is no surprise at all. The Government can not budget anything or be fiscally responsible…they didn’t know what they were voting for because they didn’t write the bill (others are pulling the strings) Obama, Reid and Pelosi are just puppets doing their bidders work…Do you seriously think the President of the United States has time to read these 2,000 plus documents that miraculously appear one after another? NO they are told just pass it at any costs regardless of the outcome….”end justifies the means” mentality.

      • s c

        IF Obummer can read, maybe he can teach Holder (maybe). You know Holder wouldn’t normally waste his ‘precious’ time reading anything. Holder has had a severe reading problem since his terrorist-freeing days with Bubba Clinton.
        You’d think that by now he could handle a paltry 10 pages (ref. Arizona’s new illegal immigrant law]. For some reason, Holder just can’t handle a 10 page document (life is tough for the uneducated).
        Whatever the answer is, two things are clear, Airangel. First, we have a LOSER for a prez. Second, Obummer has a #1 LOSER for an AG.
        To take a guess, reading is something that progressives won’t do unless they’re forced. Congress proves that, with Her Lowness, nancy, leading the way. Truly, we have the “best” Washington ‘leadership’ MONEY can buy (I, for one, want my money back).

        • Airangel

          @SC – you’ll enjoy this – don’t pop a gasket, I would laugh but it’s not very funny is it :) A bit long but reads fast!

          900 teachers just got laid off from the Los Angeles Unified School District. They are 650,000 over their annual budget. The following English teacher helps to explain one area that looms large over Clifornia’s educational crisis. It is sad what is happening to our great country all because our politicians are afraid they will miss out on a vote to implant their Alinsky agenda! What a travesty!

          This puts the “Cheap Labor” dispute into perspective!

          This English teacher has phrased it the best I’ve seen yet regarding just how cheap our fruit and veggies are.

          From the teacher – “As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of: I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens, Huntington Park, etc.., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

          Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I’m not talking a glass of milk and roll– but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.
          > (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

          I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least
          moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for theunwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.
          > (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

          I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America ..
          > (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

          I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them “Putas” (whores ) and throwing things, that the teachers were in tears..

          Free medical, free education, free food, day care, etc., etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

          To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

          Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc.

          For me, I’ll take the “TAX BREAK” and pay more for my produce!

          Americans, We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won’t have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

          It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about “political correctness” that we don’t have the will to do anything about it.

          CHEAP LABOR? Isn’t that what the whole immigration issue is about?

          Business doesn’t want to pay a decent wage. Consumers don’t want expensive produce. Government will tell you Americans don’t want the jobs. But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase “cheap labor” is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as “cheap labor.”

          Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He
          takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour (claimed). At that wage, with six dependents…

          1.He pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an “earned income credit” of up to $3,200 free.
          2.He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
          3.He qualifies for food stamps
          4.He qualifies for free (no deductible), no co-pay) health care.
          5.His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
          6.He requires bilingual teachers and books.
          7.He qualifies for relief from high energy bills
          8.If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare . All of this is at (our) taxpayer’s expense.
          9.He doesn’t worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.
          10.Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

          Sooo…He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00-$30.00 an hour in benefits.

          Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills AND his.

          The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

          Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!

          • Meteorlady

            Does it make sense to cut education, fire and police and still keep paying for these people and all the other deadbeats that are perfectly capable of working but won’t? How long have I been asleep here to wake up and find this is happening in my country. A country that used to be safe and law abiding.

    • WarriorH

      LLLLLLLLLLLLLLemming.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

      The liberals raised such a holy stink that we were going into Iraq for its oil wealth that it made it morally impossible for us to buy, let alone to use as reparations for our costs of the war. But I guess the lives of Iraqis (Kurds and Shiites) aren’t as morally valuable as the Jews for us to go in there and eliminate a mass murderer who also started two wars with his neigbors (Iran and Kuwait) in order to try to unite all Arab muslims to instigate a Jihad against the Western Civilizations. Bad, bad America, shame on you for eliminating a murdering tyrant who tortured his olympic atheletes for not winning gold medals. But don’t worry about those WMD’s, Syria doesn’t have the technological know-how to use them yet, but give them time, they’ll figure it out. Then we’ll have to save Israel from the weapons we sold Saddam to fight Iran.

    • gregory

      hey lib.

      i heard some drug adict pimps say the same thing you just hatch’d,
      purdy sad huh

  • Al Sieber

    How are they gonna pay for this? oh yeah, raise taxes and print up more money. the light at the end of the tunnel is a on coming train.

    • Jeep

      Al, “they” are not going to pay for this, we are…

      • Jana

        Yes, they will start collecting tax money for the Heath Care Bill this next year, and we are supposed to trust them to keep it safe and spend it only on what it is designated for? I don’t think so. They are in a spending frenzy up there on NOB or should I say SNOB Hill, and you can just know that they will spend the money they take in to pay for this Health Care Bill, as fast as they can get it, and it won’t be spent on Health Care either. Maybe theirs, but not ours.

    • TIME

      Al, Good points here are a few more.

      Lets all think about Europe and what super shape they are in with the Health Care programs they have, let alone the same Union problems, same banking problems. please do keep in mind you that think that GWB is the root of the problem, he didn’t run Europe now did he.

      I said it before and I will say it again folks write this down 38 months before the; Progressive Marxist – Change / Transformation is 100% complete here in the United States of America.
      Also please do keep in mind thats based on if we allow BarryO and his Marxist Czars to keep going the way they are.

      If In November 2010 we stop the mad train, and take it off the tracks, thats only 1/8 of the work that will need to be done to fix the problems that have taken place over the last 100 years.

    • American Liberal

      Al, you don’t need to worry unless you make more than 250,000 a year or smoke … You may have to ask your wife to give up her chewing tobacco … Tobacco products will be taxed..

      • s c

        unAmLib, what’s the name of the prez who smokes? Oh, yeah, it’s Obummer. I’m SO certain that he’ll be TAXING himself for his bad habits. And, since he’s also filthy rich, he’ll have at least TWO good reasons to tax himself to prove he ‘cares.’
        Get real, dude. You have no clue. Obummer has no clue. Progressives have no clues and want none. You need to get that chronic, progressive mouthflapitis looked at by an MD who knows how to treat it.
        Be sure and let us know when Obummer sticks himself with extra taxes for being filthy RICH and for smoking.

      • Al Sieber

        Amer. Lib., maybe your wife ought to give up her “crack” pipe, you ignorant fool. you must work hard at being ignorant, or maybe it comes natural.

        • Jana

          Al, It comes natural for unAm.Lib.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Jana,
            take a guess which income group uses the most of tobacco and soda pop, which will also be taxed? Lower income class followed by the lower middle income group!!!!

  • Raggs

    As I said many months ago.
    The government is going to try to limit what you eat, drink, make you loose weight or anything else pretaining to health.
    And the funny thing is.. This is not about health it’s about control.
    They will also use this tatic on energy and immigration.

  • Marilyn

    I don’t believe we have a year or five years to determine if the healthcare bill is going to work. That should have been thought out from the get-go. The knowledgable public cried to not have Federal healthcare for good reasons. It was not only the thought of “Socialized Medicine” but the cost in taxes that would bring the country to it’s knees. Maybe that is the BIG plan, who knows. Our politicians did not listen. Now, the Gov’t is trying to figure out what they can reduce in healthcare to the public, including senior citizens, so federal heathcare will not put United States deeper in the hole; only deny citizens of good healthcare. The whole idea of Federal Healthcare Stinks. It has from the beginning and always will be a thorn in every citizen’s side. I said from the beginning that not one politician ever read what was inside the over 1000 page healthcare bill. The prigs who made up sections of the bill just wanted their names ingraved as participating members – giving no thought to the consequences of their input. Ask congressmen who did not vote for the federal healthcare why they did not approve and you will find the answers to why this socialized medicine will not work. It does not work in other countries; why should it work in the United States?

    By the way, the latest word is that Our United States economy is far worse than the Greek economy. Why does that not surprise me.

    • Airangel

      And yet we are spending a trillion MORE to help Greece…a country with 11 million, smaller in population than the Los Angeles area…$1 trillion…it will sustain them a bit longer but unless they change the structure and workings of Government, they will blow through that too and nothing will have changed…BTW…they were told to REDUCE Government and cut spending and get more private sector jobs…IMAGINE THAT! The very thing we’ve been saying over here and now they are seeing the COMMON SENSE in that philosophy proving Alinsky methodology WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!

  • Sharon Mancuso

    Well said AL…

  • Darrell Russell

    I feel like this was known all the time, just kept under wraps until now not only to distract we the people but to release this information before it was uncovered buy some one not on the team.
    It is far past time to take this country back because what we will get will be nothing more then a rag, and a tattered one at that.
    I guess though if that is all there is we take it, resew it with different thread, thread that will not fray of become corrupt and began to morally decay.

  • http://gmail i41

    am lib, show more of you nano brain activity, the dems. have been in control of the purse strings for over three years, Onumnut has spent more in just b–l s–t programs, taken over more and cost jobs. businesses,banks,heathcare, and increase government spending than any president ever has. Bush also had more pewople making money and way lower unemloyment. But as we all keep waiting, to find out if you live off the government, your mama, or a ward of the state, since you has such a socialist veiw. If your socialist democrat reps. wouldn’t put such a choke hold on our military, with rules of engagement when fighting enemies. The war wouldn’t last so damn long, of course Omoron would lose more of his kin.. If you find a group of muslim terrorists in a mud hut, level the hut and exterminate anyone with them. Nits cann’t grow into lice, and take out the breeding group, few less nut jobs. Muslim healthcare is simple you will die, either by a knife or a slug to the skull, they will provide it all, just like the dems and muslim Onumnut. Joe, you and lib should actually read some history books and read the Koran’s ideaology, its not relegion, and see how our muslim pres. is really following it. If someone or some group will not bend, destroy them. You two socialists, should go to try and disprove the challenge, to name one federal program, that has ever come in at cost, or ever stayed in budget. Let us see if a socialist democrat pee brain have the ability to defend and prove their nano resoning is founded in facts!

    • American Liberal

      41…can you retype that in English…And can I see your papers?… You can’t be a legal alien…

      • Raggs

        I think the moral to his story is.
        You and your president are Socialist, and born somewhere else.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Raggs,
          Headlinein the business section of my local paper: Treasury Takes $1.6 Billion Loss on 2009 Chrysler Loan!!! The story goes on to say that tax payers losses are expected to rise as high as $34 billion, congressional auditors have said!!! Yup, Obummer’s doing a bang up job!!!!

          • American Liberal

            Joe… All the loses are due to the republican Policys. It was 4 decades of Reaganomics that has killed this countrys economys… Stack rightwing greed on top of that….. Only an outright liar would blame president Obama for being put in the position of having to bailout all these companys and wallstreet that went belly up…. They won’t tell you that on Fox news….this countrys economy was in freefall before Obama was even elected…. I’m here to help you understand that…. And it was W that put his X on the first Wallstreet bailout … I’m positive you believe Bush is also a socialist , communist, Marxist and pals around with terrorist too… Being the fair minded person you are..

          • Right Wing

            Laughable Amlib…laughable. When it isn’t Bush its Reaganomics. You really don’t have anything intelligent to add do you? I have not seen one rational post from you and all your thoughts are antagonistic.

          • Meteorlady

            AL is totally brainwashed. this is the 115th time at least he has mentioned Reagonomics as the cause of everything from money supply to global warming. Poor Reagan……

          • HeadOutOfSandintoHell

            I’m sitting here scratching my head… Hmmm… Reaganomics… Is that where Reagan taxed the hell out of the wealthy to outspend the soviets… Bailed out Chysler Corp( which was repaid in full plus interest) which was later sold to Diamler.. Which lasted into the first Bush administration that saw the FALL of Communist Russia, and the Berlin wall fall. After which tax levels were decreased even though we staged and carried out 2 operations in the Middle East. (Granted, we should have finished the job the first time.) Let’s be real people something that was supposed to be a band-aid back after the depression has turned into a farce that plagues the american people today..
            Blame who you want to feel all better.. But we are the people that vote and allow these (no nice name)ans into government office. Of course that is you believe the electorial college is still uncorrupted.. Universal Health Care is just another nail in the coffin of the Constitution..
            Instead of seeing people posting Remember the Alamo over on the immigration sites, how about we remember the failures of far older Republics such as ancient Greece and the Romans. Our constitutional founders remembered and studied literature of those and other civilizations. They tried and succeeded to write a system of laws that would protect the whole while retaining individual rights as long as said rights did no harm to others without justification. I believe that this, our country has forgotten. Because of this it will fall. While times may change factual histories do not. If a country like ours fails in will take others with it. As it had been written many times “Those that forget the past, are doomed to repeat it.”.

  • Jeep

    Two congressmen walk into a bar. The bartender asks them, “What will ya’ have.” They answer, “let me have what that guy is having, and make him pay for it. In fact, make him buy drinks all around…”

  • Airangel

    Expansion of health insurance coverage does not automatically translate into immediate access to care. When Massachusetts enacted its comprehensive statewide health reform in 2006, it dramatically reduced the number of uninsured and uncompensated care in Massachusetts hospitals, but the state was not ready to absorb the pent-up demand for primary care physicians. The result: Since 2006, wait times have increased greatly.
    ABC reports that patients wait, on average, 50 days to see a doctor in Boston. That’s nearly double the next-longest wait time registered by a major American city—27 days in Philadelphia.

    Dr. Pho notes that some of his patients make the trek from Massachusetts to his New Hampshire office just to avoid the long waits in their home state.

    But Obamacare will make these problems worse. Why? Because the new law will add another federal layer of bureaucracy and its mind numbing rules and regulations to medical practice while reducing physician income. Not surprisingly, many physicians say they will voluntarily leave the profession. The biggest change is the massive expansion of Medicaid. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reports that roughly half of the newly insured under Obamacare will be covered by Medicaid, a poorly performing welfare program (PAID BY TAX PAYER DOLLARS-another 18 million will be moved here). Medicaid pays physicians on average 56 percent of the payment they obtain under private insurance. Doctors anticipate more and more patients to be shifted onto Medicaid, even as physician reimbursements are lowered. Some also fear Obamacare’s use of “comparative effectiveness research” will stifle medical innovation at the clinical level and pressure them to standardize medical treatments, rather than tailor them to the particular needs of each patient.

    Rather than rely on abysmal health care programs like Medicaid to expand health coverage, Congress could have relied on market-based approaches that let patients control their health spending and utilization, while forcing providers and plans to compete for their dollars.

  • s c

    It must be tough defending a hack like Obubba. I see the thin-skinned weasel brigade is doing their usual routine, trying support God’s gift to Chicago politics (and throwing in the obligatory 8 years of Bush bs).
    So the CBO’s data doesn’t back up Der Obummer. Izzum feelin’ funky, Obummy? Does that mean ‘The Chosen One’ won’t be able to spend, tax and spend and get all of those damned social engineerng projects he PROMISED his masters?
    One of Obummer’s MANY dirty secrets deals with his union thugs SCREWING OVER their members and sacrificing them via an Obummer-style death panel.
    If a union member is considered ‘too old’ or ‘won’t live much longer,’ these VICTIMS of Der Obummer will LOSE their healthcare. WHAT A GUY!
    The cat is OUT of the bag, boys and girls!
    Obummer, consummate union lover, will now have to EXPLAIN to union members AND AMERICA how he can protect union members when THEIR BOSSES are crapping on their members! Ooooweeee! Welcome to the monkey barrel, Obummer. IT’S YOUR TURN!

  • http://n/a 2WarAbnVet

    Who really thinks this was “unexpected”?

  • Airangel

    The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) confirmed that the federal government will have to spend an additional $115 billion implementing the law, bringing the total estimated cost to over $1 trillion.

    The estimate had been requested BEFORE passage of the bill by Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-CA), but the CBO was too overwhelmed with the Democrats’ other constant revisions to the law to get back to Lewis before the final vote.

    This is by far not the only nasty little surprise that has come back to bite Obamacare after passage. Shortly after it became law, U.S. employers began reporting hundreds of millions of dollars in losses thanks to tax changes in the bill.

    AT&T and Verizon alone pegged their Obamacare tax losses at around $1 billion each. At first, Democrats in Congress were outraged by the announcements and threatened to hold hearings persecuting these companies. But then the Democrats not only found out the companies were obligated by law to report their Obamacare related losses, but that the losses were a signal these companies might have to dump their employees’ and retirees’ health care coverage all together.

    The Obama administration’s own Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) released its final cost projections for Obamacare, finding that, contrary to White House claims, the legislation will increase national health care spending by $311 billion over the next decade.

    The CMS report also revealed that:
    1) 18 million Americans will pay $33 billion in penalties for failing to comply with Obamacare’s individual mandate and still receive no health care;

    2) U.S. employers will pay $87 billion in employer mandate penalties

    3) 14 million Americans will lose their current employer-based health coverage

    4) 7.4 million seniors will lose their current Medicare Advantage benefits

    5) 15% of all Medicare providers will be made unprofitable, thus “jeopardizing access to care for beneficiaries.”

    • Meteorlady

      And we are spending this money on how many people to get insurance again? Notice there were no pharmaceutical companies reporting losses? Did you see any hospitals reporting? Hmmmmmmmmm…..

  • Antonio

    I understand that the RFID microchips are to be mandetory in this bill. Do not take the chips. I repeat,DO NOT TAKE THE CHIPS! The NWO has now arrived must prepare yourselves. Do your research, NASA BLUE BEAM, NASA HAARP, RFID CHIPS, MARTIAL LAW, NWO, FEMA, PRINCE CHARLES OF WHALES. GOD bless my fellow Americans.

    • Airangel

      @Antonio…You are so right! I don’t know what’s worse…spending us into debt default or taking away our liberties and freedoms that this country has thrived on and died defending. The bible talks about “not taking the Mark of the Beast”…this Micro-Chipping must be that because this Anti-American Administration follows Alinsky who dedicates is book “Rules for Radicals”. Opening page dedication- “Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history… the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

      For those that will say this is “crazy” or “conspiracy”..here it is on pages 1001-1005
      http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf

      When fully implemented, this provides the framework for making the United States the first Nation in the World to require each and every one of its citizens to have implanted in them a radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip for the purpose of controlling who is, or isn’t, allowed medical care in their country. They will sell it as a “good” thing for managing “health” but don’t be fooled!

      Hard to interpret but Here are some comments from a person checking into this:
      “in the first 1000+ pages of health reform, there was a section between pages 1001 and 1005 dealing with implantable medical devices. On the surface it seemed to be only about heart implants and monitors, and some other implantable parts like my fake knee……but when I saw all the changes to statutes and code, definitions and such……I started running it down. After back tracking all the changes….I began seeing lists of “stakeholders” who had “vested” interests in these “devices” such as Angel-mark, Monsanto, Choicepoint, Accenture and Verichip. These “stakeholders” received large parts of the “stimulus” funds also. Verichip stock up 300%

      People, 33 states are on board to repeal this violation of our Constitutional Rights..we must fight it tooth and nail to maintain Freedom and Liberty!!!

  • BigBadJohn

    115 billion, that is about 1/4 of what we spend in ONE YEAR in Iraq and Afghanistan – thanks to your boy Bush…..

    • Steve

      so, you think the money wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan somehow makes what your “boy” obama and his minions are doing to this country ok?

      • BigBadJohn

        not my boy, I am not an Obama fan and have never been a democrat – I hated Bush because of his blatant corruption. Now it looks like the republicans showed the democrats how much you can get away with – and now they are trying to get their share !

    • Meteorlady

      We spend more in one year than all the years the wars have been going on illegals in this country. So what’s your point? Obama has actually expanded the war and it’s not costing us more because we have “private” contractors out there fighting.

      • BigBadJohn

        Not costing us more because of private contractors????

        They work on a cost plus basis, do some research on the abuses. Such things as running trucks without putting oil in them, then torching them when they die. Because – cost plus – if it costs them more they make more. The average contractor soldier makes over way 100K per year, a lot more than an enlisted man. YOU are the one paying for it.

        Yes Obama is doing the same things that Bush was in Iraq and Afghanistan, that is one of my biggest complaints about Obama – nothing has changed.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          BBJ,
          Yes something HAS changed! Obummer is making Bush look like he was Bush-league!!!

  • American Liberal

    By the way… Before I forget…congrats to the New Miss America….. Isn’t she a beautiful woman….and only In this great country for 7 Years….

    • Airangel

      She is beautiful and Muslim…I don’t care but boy those Extreme Islam Muslims are in a tizzy! Especially because of her previous “stripper” status…now they are even more angry at America because according to them, our evil ways “made” her this way and we must be abolished especially when answering she is for medication and open sex and “birth control”…what a great example…Welcome to America – Anything goes!

      • Steve

        don’t be surprised if “fatwa” is put out on her by the “devout” muslims.

      • American Liberal

        I wouldn’t make much of an issue about Miss Americas morals…. But how about Indiana republican Rep.
        Mark Souder…… He’s stepping down today because in his words” I’ve sinned aginst God”… He’s been having Sex with a staff member….. He’s calling himself a Christian… I’ve got a better name… Hypocrite…

        • s c

          ‘Closet progressive’ is the term that fits. Only in this case, the man in question has a functioning CONSCIENCE – hardcore progressives DON’T.

        • Airangel

          No news there. He should step down…it’s not about Repub or Dem but those with integrity and a moral compass…a few in the current Administration should step down – like Kevin Jennings…the man for boy love and is in charge of K-12 grades…”boy love translates to pedafile!”

        • Meteorlady

          Gez – sex wow…. he and Clinton can exchange techniques.

    • Right Wing

      She will probably become the target of a suicide bombing from your wacky Islamic extremist friends Am lib.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        she only won because the one from Oklahoma stated she was for the Arizona law!!!! She was ahead till they heard that!!

  • JeffH

    Why do all of you waste your time argueing anything with the American Liberal? It’s easy enough to distinguish what he is doing here. Don’t waste your time and he will go disrupt another conservative blog. As for Doc, he’s in the same boat with Am Lib, misdirect and lead away from the core of the article posted. Nobody is going to change at this juncture.

  • American Liberal

    This artical isn’t fact…. It’s just another attempt to rile you people up…. Scare tactics…. For people that scare real easy… The whole rightwing reality is based on scareing and keeping you that way…. Same with your bible….it’s only purpose to to control you…our current president has given Americans healthcare that could afford it…. The last administration gave you a failed war in Iraq that’s cost trillions … But you rightys would rather focus your anger and fear on the president that actually offers America something in return…it would help you to think more and be a little less hysterical …don’t forget… You gave Iraq healthcare… At our expence…. And at a cost of trillions, thousands of American lives and 100,000′s of thousands of Iraqis…. As far as I know president Obamas healthcare bill hasn’t cost 1 life… Pretty good huh ?

    • Jeep

      Wrong again…weren’t your lib buddies on the hill saying that we lose…hmmm…what was it? one every twelve minutes due to a “lack of health care”? (Never mind the fact that by law you can walk into any hospital and get life stabilizing care, even if you’re illegal.) But, since obama care doesn’t kick in until 2014, I guess someone is responsible for all that death…

    • Peter

      It hasn’t cost a life yet, but I will wager you it will. The man Obomer wants to head up the health care program is a strong proponent of the British Health Care system. Don’t be over 65 and get sick under that system… 2010 The House and Senate! 2012 Casa Blanca! Obama’s presidency becomes a note on the outhouse wall. The experiment that failed!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Peter,
        my dear mother died last year at 97 years old, God Bless her soul! I’m just relieved she didn’t grow old under the Obummer health care plan. she would have been lucky to have made it to 80!!!! I have a friend in france that isn’t real happy with her health care and I used to post to a lady in London that told us horror stories of health care in England. you say I couldn’t be sure she was from there? she described things in London, where my wife travels on business to a tee! I could ask and tell her things and without prompts she would tell me what was just down the street from it without me ever mentioning the street!

    • gregory

      hey am-lib

      to bad your master commie obamie will be going to jail for treason one day, it appears that tanzania sold the news paper articles and photos of your beloved marxist and his parents with the doctor in the photo as well to a verry wealthy group in germany, there was also a file 3″ thick that was bought by the same group that pull’d there money resources together to purchase the verified doc’s..the photos and imformation was bought from the govmnt of kenya by tanzania after your master made senator, the doc’s were verified by real vtrs and historians, the shame is that your thugmaster will still get away with his marxist agenda until his term or terms are up, the reasons are clear as to why he wont be arrested before his term or terms are up–you know as well as everybody else does, but the good news is that his future now is predictable!! and your beloved marxist-thug spoilers will be finished for an estimated 40 years, to bad for the marxist..
      choke on that nugget of imfo for a day or two.. if you do your research well enough and call tanzanian officials– i think you will see the truth about your liar and thief, but im pretty sure with your vast knowledge of your pimp master–you already new of the imfo sale to the germans, thats why you are working overtime to call anybody that disagres with your masters marxist agenda a racisist, or a red neck, or any of the other negitive racisist bumpersticker name you can come up with, its call’d tuck tail tactics, it just means you dont have anything else.. bait and switch is the only thing a thug has left, what is it that drives a person to sell out there soul for a marxist cause? i suggest you quit the hate and get right real soon– you know what is comming in the future.
      AINT KARMA A DRAG!!
      american indians will survive…

      • gregory

        hey LIB!

        it seems your spine is as rubbery as your mouth.

    • Al Sieber

      Amer. Lib., your president is continuing the war, with no end in sight. another one of his lies.

    • Meteorlady

      And the entire lefty thing is about I WANT ICE CREAM!!!!!!!!!!

  • American Liberal

    Steve .you’re making a common rightwing mistake…. It’s not Muslims that are the ” bad guys”.. It’s terrorist that call for Fatwa’s….but I do agree that the worlds biggest threat comes from Christians and muslims…religion has killed millions … Every evil war fought has God or Allahs stamp of approval on it…..

    • Rob Alexander

      This Atheist usually tries to avoid name calling in these threads, but you sir, are a bleeping idiot.

      There is NOTHING in any religion that puts ANY kind of a stamp on murder of innocent people. As usual, your liberal pea-brain has gone to the simple, and completely WRONG root cause of an issue.

      The problem is not religion – like most everything else, the problem is “stupid people”, who lack the capacity to form logical conclusions from basic facts – in this case, it’s stupid people who somehow read “go kill people” in their religious texts, or get their information 2nd hand from other stupid people and believe it without question.

      • Meteorlady

        Most excellent reply. AL won’t understand logic however.

    • coal miner

      American Liberal,

      You are right.Christianity is the worst blight ever impose on the human race.We are eighteen hundred years behind times.Religions are behind every war and misery,they also stifle scientific progress.We could have hundredsof years ago settled on other planets,in other galaxies.we could found a cure for all diseases and could have a healthy life span that measures in the hundreds plus.Lets say farewell to all religions and welcome in a new age.

      http://www.exposingchristianity.com/inquisition.html

      • JeffH

        …those words coming straight from the mouth of an admitted satanist!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          JeffH,
          who wore the knees out of his pants in the mines!!!! But kis……..

      • Steve

        Oh? Well then, according to your “reasoning”, America should never have been the greatest nation in the history of the world but, instead should have lagged far behind Russia, China and all the other predominately atheist nations. Don’t worry though; this current 3rd world, GOD-less administration is working overtime to turn America to shit thanks to all of the brainless, useful idiots out there who wanted “change”.

      • Meteorlady

        My my Coal Miner – a bit bigoted are we not? I know plenty of people that attend church every Sunday and they go out into their community and do good work. So you generalization shows your lack of education about regions and the people that believe in them. I don’t consider the Muslims a religion, I consider it a cult in which the leaders teach whatever it takes to keep them in power.

        • coal miner

          Meathead Lady,

          All religions are cults.Did you read the website I pasted exposing Christianity or are you too stupid to read it?I’ll pasted it again.If the words are too big,let me know.

          http://www.exposingchristianity.com/inquisition.html

          • http://?? Joe H.

            (words removed) you have anything LESS than 300 yearsa old??? Go find your old union boss and kneel over and kiss his but once more for old times sake!!!

          • coal miner

            JoeH,

            The Roman Emperor Constantine established Christianity as the official Religion of Rome,this was during his reign 300 and 400 AD.This good Christian convert was a unholy monster,he murdered his own brother and some of his relatives.He made it law that anyone who oppose this ruling would be gulity of heresy and savage punishment would follow.I could go on,but it would take a entire book explain what Crimes Christianity committed against other people and cultures.It shows how ignorant you really are,I am not looking back to the past 300 hundred years, but 1600 to 1700 years of bigotry,slavery,genocide and wars.

    • angel-wanna-be

      AM LiB, still at your sh*t slinging, I see?___Well then the Founders were ALL satanists when the Country was founded!!!__Because wether you believe it or no son, they were Christians!!!__God did say, “that in time, people would claim, right for wrong and wrong for right, and by damned your living proof!!!!

      • American Liberal

        Angel… Don’t pound your chest to hard being such a proud Christian…. This countrys real founders were the American Indians that had their own version of God and nature…. But the people who follow your god decided it would be OK to kill all the Indians steal their lands and put what are left on reservations ( with casinos that make it all better now )….more people have been murdered in the name of some silly religion than anyother organization ever on this planet…I don’t but into your Christian morality… If anything your void of morality…

        • angel-wanna-be

          Am Lib, I am no more responsible for what my white ancestors did in the past to the Native Americans or the blacks for that fact (BTW, I am of Lenni-Lenape descent my friend, THE GRANDFATHERS AS THEY ARE CALLED, as they came from the Bering straight and we’re here first!_NOW, Your pound your chest, as you think you know everything, about every one on this site, and you didn’t expect me to be partly native!__Who really gives a rats A$$ OF who’s is what Nationality?!__It’s only important to me, but I happen to be an American first!__Let me ask you something AM LIBERAL, WHO IN THE HELL, DO YOU THINK, FOUGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT, TO CALL SELECTED PEOPLE ON HERE, BLOOD THRISTY CHRISTIANS?___THE FOUNDERS DID, THE CHRISTIAN FOUNDERS FOUGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM TO BE AN IDIOT!!__Blaming individuals OF TODAY, whether black, white, yellow or purple, for suffrages of the past, means you have no other teachable information to offer.___ENUFF SAID!__

        • chuck b

          amer lib

          maybe you should take a look at judaism. they are probably holding the record, causing more deaths than any other religion. muslims are probably second, both hate christians.

    • Right Wing

      Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9/11.

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      TO AMERICAN LIBERAL,I REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE DESTORTED LIES THAT YOU POST,GET YOUR POST CORRECT,THE MUSLIM AND CHRISTIANS ARE THE GREATESS THREATS IN THIS WORLD,WELL THE COLD HARD THRUTH IS THAT THE MUSLIMS AND THE STATE OF ISREAL STARTED ALL THIS MESS WORLDWIDE AND ISREALS LOBBIST HERE BOUGHT OUT THE CONGRESS TO BACK THESE WARS AGAINST THE MUSLIMS AND BECAUSE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WERE FORCED INTO BACKING THIS INSANE POLICY OF GOING INTO ISREALS PERSONAL WAR WITH THE ARAB NUTCASES,OH YES ALL US CHRISTIANS GOT SUCKED INTO THIS JEWISH ARAB PROBLEM,BUT WHY DIDNT YOU POST THAT TOO? MEMORY LOSS? OR CAN IT BE THAT IT COMES TO CLOSE TO THE TRUTH,AND JUST FOR THE RECORD IF THIS NATION WASNT INVOLED IN THESE WARS,WE WOULD BE IN GREAT SHAPE AT HOME HERE IN THE U.S.A. ,BUT OH NO ITS THE CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIMS THAT ARE AT FAULT,YOU ARE A PLANT ,A LAIR AT BEST,TELL YOUR HANDLERS TO SENT YOU TO CHURCH, WHERE GOD CAN SAVE YOUR LYING SOUL,PERSONALLY I THINK YOUR BEYOND HELP.BUT KEEP UP YOUR POST ,IT JUST SHOWS EVERYONE THAT THIS NATION HAS BEEN BETRAYED FROM WITHIN. BY LIBERAL ,COMMUNIST JUST LIKE YOU.

  • JeffH

    CBO: Obamacare Would Cost Over $2 Trillion
    BY Jeffrey H. Anderson
    March 18, 2010 6:36 PM

    To see the bill’s true first-decade costs, we need to start the clock when the costs would actually start in any meaningful way: in 2014. The CBO says that Obamacare would cost $2.0 trillion in the bill’s real first decade (from 2014 to 2023) — and much more in the decades to come.

    But $2.0 trillion wouldn’t be the total ten-year costs. Instead, that would merely be the “gross cost of coverage provisions.” Based on earlier incarnations of the proposed overhaul, the total costs would be about a third higher (the exact number can’t be gleaned from the CBO’s analysis, which is only preliminary and is not a full scoring) — making the total price-tag between $2.5 and $3 trillion over the bill’s real first decade.

    How would we pay for all of this? According to the CBO, by diverting $1.1 trillion away from already barely-solvent Medicare and spending it on Obamacare, and by increasing taxes on the American people by over $1 trillion. Among the Medicare cuts would be cuts of $25,000 in Medicare Advantage benefits per enrollee — up from $21,000 in the previous scoring. To be clear, those living in South Florida wouldn’t have to worry about this, as the newly politicized nature of health care would cause them to be exempted. These cuts would affect only less-fortunate seniors, namely those living in just about any other part of the country.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbo-obamacare-would-cost-over-2-trillion

  • Steve

    No AmLib, it is you who are making common leftwing mistake. Well not really mistake since it is intentional dishonesty. You and your ilk would rather make silly outrageous moral equivalencies in spite of what history as well as current events show. Islam has always been a negative influence on any country were it has been allowed to spread it’s oppression, violence and complete intolerence of other beliefs. Anyone even attempting to compare islam with any other religion is totally lacking in any credibility whatsoever.

  • bobinpa.

    American Lib– You seem to have a knack for using Liberal talking points, and bad mouthing FoxNews at every chance. You repeated the Closet Muslims LIE of not having to pay taxes if you make more than 250 thousand dollars a year. You talk about Pres Bush and the Iraq war. I doubt you were ever in the American Military, But did you happen to notice those Iraqis with the purple fingers after they voted for the first time??. You spoke of the Shiite Muslim woman who became Miss USA. Who was the RagHead that asked Miss Oklahoma the Immigration Question?? Sort of like the Homosexual that asked the Gay Marriage Question to Carrie Prejean don’tcha think??. Answer me a question, Do you know any Communist, Marxist, American Hateing Individuals?? I don’t. But your Idol “The Kenyan Prince Of Mombasi” knows “Boat Loads” of them and has surrounded himself with them. Also Mao Tse Tung worshippers. In fact there is more of them in the White House then Communist Russia has in the Kremlin. Commie Muslims, now thats a quite a mix. Although thats exactly what Obamas Father was. So==What are YOU???

  • American Liberal

    You rightys are arguing with me over our current president spending money on healthcare for Americans…. But defending the trillions you and your “ilk”. Lol, I’ve been waiting to use that word since you bigots like it so much….you spent trillions on Iraq… And the bone you keep waiting for the rich to trickle on down to you never comes…you conservatives ate always waiting for that handout from the “bossman” and all he’s handed you is a bailout bill because wallstreet made money on your recession….then we gave the multi millionairs on Wallstreet multi million dollar bonus after bankrupting their company and committing fraud and stealing from us all…. And still you rightys are falling allover yourselfs defending them…

    • gregory

      hey am-lib

      JESUS STILL LOVES YOU!
      DARKNESS IS ONLY THE ABSENCE OF LIGHT,
      COME TO THE LIGHT BEFORE ITS TO LATE!

    • http://GOGGLE vaksal

      TO AMERICAN LIBERAL THE ONLY PERSON HERE THAT BASHES CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS IS YOU,SO YOU ARE THE RACIST BIGOT,AS FAR AS YOUR SLURS RIGHTYS,NO THATS YOUR PERSONAL ATTACKS ON ANYONE THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME OUTLOOK AS YOU AND THAT IS VERY ANTI-AMERICAN (FREEDOM OF SPEECH) WITHOUT DURESS,AS FAR AS YOUR OUTLOOK OF ALL THIS BAILOUT OF WALLSTREET,HOW MANY WHITE AMERICAN CHRISTIANS RUN WALLSTREET,( THATS THE TURF OF THE CHOSEN FEW AND THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE THAT MAKE LESS THAN $300,000 THOUSAND A YEAR ARE JUST NOBODYS.BUT OH NO,MOMMY AND DADDY HE HAS A NEW BIKE AND LOTS OF TOYS AND CANDY,ITS NOT RIGHT AND FAIR,I DONT WANT HIM TO HAVE THOSE THINGS ,HE SHOULD BE MADE TO GIVE THEM TO ME,BAH ,CRY,YELL,THROW A FIT,GUESS WHAT? ,WORK FOR IT AMERICAN LIBERAL,BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE DOES, BUT JUST KEEP CRYING,BECAUSE LIFE IS NOT FAIR,JUST FOR THE RECORD I DIDNT HAVE MUCH ,BUT I DONT COVET MY NEIGBORS GOODS OR DEMAND THAT THEY GIVE THEM UP.FOR THIS IS AMERICA AND NOT A COMMUNIST STATE YET. SO DO YOU GET IT YOU ANTI-AMERICAN LEFT WING HYPESTER. GO HOME AND YELL YOUR RACIST NAME CALLING AND FINGER POINTING AT YOUR FAMILY.FOR THEY NEED IT.FOR THATS THE SOURCE OF YOUR BREEDING? YOU MUST HAVE BEEN A CHILD OF DISPAIR.GOD I FEEL SORRY FOR YOUR TYPE.YOU JUST DONT GET IT,GET A JOB THAT PAYS MONEY NOT PLUNDERED GOODS,(TAXES).

  • American Liberal

    You should be thanking president Obama for doing such a great job of pulling this economy from the brink of a depression that’s to your rightwing neo con trickle down Reaganomics ..that’s never worked and it never will… When the consumers don’t have money to spend the economy tanks…republican and conservative economics always favors the rich and big business (oil)…this country use to favor the American workers and middleclass…. The redistrabution of wealth has gone up to the top 3 % that now own mist of the countrys wealth … We own the debt to China that Bush gave us…

    • gregory

      HEY LIB

      have you been keeping up with the election news this evening?

    • gregory

      HEY AM LIB

      have you checked out the sale of commie obamies imformation to germany yet?

      i bet you already knew!

    • Meteorlady

      ROTFLOL……… AL you are amusing if nothing else.

    • gregory

      HEY AM LIB

      WERE DID YOUR BIG TALKING SPINE GO TO?
      WERE IS YOUR MARXIST CRAP NOW?
      the coward has left the room, dont worry am lib, i will remind you from now on about your masters imfo sail to the germans,and that jail cell will be waiting for the marxist pirate, im sure there will be some good room mates around there that pay’d into his bloated tax sceems,

      KARMA IS A DRAG!!

    • gregory

      HEY AM LIB

      iT seems that libs like yourself tuck tail and run, did you dodge the draft as well?

      AMERICAN INDIANS WILL SURVIVE…

    • gregory

      HEY AM LIB

      iT seems that libs like yourself tuck tail and run, did you dodge the draft as well?

  • bobinpa.

    I ASKED YOU a question, and like the typical Progressive Socialist WEENIE that you are you went to “Name-Calling”. And I don’t know about you, but I’m not asking that “Incompetent, Unqualified, Empty-Suit, Lying, Loser in the White House for anything. Nor am I waiting for anything to “Trickle-Down”. All I’m asking for is “Progressive Left wing, Commie, Marxists to catch the “First thing Smoking” the hell out of my Country and take all The “Progressive American Hateing Commie/Marxist/Socialist, Redistrabution of wealth Clowns with them. I do NOT believe as YOU and Obama and his “ILK” believe in “To each according to their need, From each according to their ability. Maybe because I am an AMERICAN, how about YOU??

  • http://PersonLibertyDigest Dee

    obama does not listen to the people. This used to be a government of the people, by the people and for the people. Now it’s of the government, by the government and for the government.
    When obama was campaigning for president, if the people had really really listened to him, they would never have voted for him.

    They thought they wre going to get free health care. Ha, what a laugh. They will be paying through the nose, if they can afford it.
    The government will be stealing $500 billion from medicare to pay for the people who do not have health care. If they don’t buy health care, they will be fined.

    He has spent so much money that our great,great, great grandchilen will be paying the bill.

    God, help us if he gets elected again and I sure hope he doesn’t.

    • marvin

      Dee, yes they would as sorry as it may sound there are people in this country that belive in the free interprize not the work hard and be rewarded kind, but the ones that only hear and see what they want and believe in free lunches free school free healtcare free housing they believe in what can my goverment do for me they allways have a hand out, not for a helping hand,but wanting a hand out from cradle to grave, does this sound like a liberal or an illegal that demand something that is not their,s, think about it,

  • marvin

    people let the stuped liberal people on here still living in the blame bush years and the pie in the sky drinking free bubbleup and eating that rainbow stew less talk about real things like goverment motors there ceo on tv said we did it paid all the tarp money back 5 billion well they did pay 5 billion back but it was 5 billion more tarp they got from tarp only problum was they got around 50 or 60 billion dollars and someone pointed this out, so gm or the white house had to pull this lie off tv, i wonder who it was that tryed to pull this scam on the tax payers, you don,t think the white house would do this, surely not, not are factual can not read a 10 page law,that think it is funny to make joke of the arizona people and say they are misguided ,i have allready ask my reps to invastigate this lie perpetuated on the american people

  • chuck b

    amer lib

    barry is pulling us from the brink of disaster!!! that has to be the laugh of the century. don’t stand behind your team you’ll get run over. this guy has already ran us over the brink, you just haven’t read the small print on the foreclosure of america papers.

  • JeffH

    I know this is a bit off subject but I thought I wuld share it anyway.

    Deepwater Horizon tragedy: Oil platforms overseen by agency involved in meth-snorting-off-toaster-oven scandal
    Fri Apr 30 16:15:00 2010 CST
    By Jennifer Peebles
    If you’re wondering how a giant oil slick could be allowed to form in the Gulf Coast and lap at the Louisiana shoreline, here’s a scary thought: The agency responsible for preventing something like this was too busy snorting crystal meth off toaster ovens.

    It’s been 10 days now since the massive explosion on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig off the Louisiana coast, and eight days have passed since what was left of the rig sank into the sea. Eleven oil rig workers are still missing and presumed dead. And the well, a mile below the water’s surface, continues to spew 200,000 gallons of oil a day. (Every two days, that’s enough liquid to fill up the outdoor Dolphin Bay tank at the Texas State Aquarium in Corpus Christi.)

    The human tragedy and the potential environmental disaster inching toward the mouth of the Mississippi make some folks wonder: What role did the government play in this? Did it drop the ball?

    The federal agency getting the most scrutiny right now is the agency that oversees deepwater oil rigs, the Minerals Management Service of the Interior Department. Here’s what we wrote about the MMS back in September 2008:

    POGO ,the Project on Government Oversight in Washington. (POGO is particularly critical of the cozy relationships between government and private industry — whether it’s government and contractors or government and firms it is supposed to regulate.)points out that that MMS thought Deepwater Horizon was safe enough to be given a safety award and asked, “Does it matter that BP opposed stricter safety rules for offshore drilling? Or that Food and Water Watch has raised concerns about the potential for a similar disaster, based on the allegations of ‘a whistleblower and former company contractor’ that another platform “‘has been operating without a large percentage of the engineer-approved documents needed for it to operate safely’”?
    http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2010/04/deepwater-horizon-tragedy-oil-platforms-overseen-by-agency/1272654950.column

  • marvin

    less leave the know it all liberals to post there bush hate, we are better then the gutter snipes, so less post on subjects to help understand, arguing with a liberal is like reading a book backward you can not understand what you are reading and and at the end of the day ,have learned nothing

  • JeffH

    Cap and Tax has been revived and is moving through Congress right now, with select weak-kneed Republicans like Lindsey Graham and John McCain looking to make deals to pass this key plank in the radical globalist agenda.

    That’s why it’s vital you sign the petition to your U.S. senators, demanding they vote against this dangerous power grab IMMEDIATELY.

    http://www.chooseliberty.org/capandtax1.aspx?pid=ct05

  • http://gmail i41

    Jeff H, when are you going to spank lib’s behind and send him to lala zone. He never leaves lala land. Has he told anyone what he really does, except act like smurf on kitty litter. eddyee and lib need to go back to the sand box, read some real histort books, and not color by numbers for comprehension!

  • Antonio

    Airangel, Thank you for the link in your previous post. I have “tried” to read it, but the way they write that crap is just unbelieveable!!! If I were a senator I would have never voted for such a bill. However, I did see the part were it was talking about the “implantable devices” and yes that is for darn sure the RFID chips!!! I hope very much that the states will get together and repeall it, not just talk about it. GOD bless you my friend

  • Meteorlady

    OMG – color me surprised!!!!!!! I’m stunned by this revelation. I would think that it will even end up costing more than that because they always do.

  • Antonio

    here everybody i copied and pasted the little bit of info out of the health care bill on page 1001

    ‘‘National Medical Device Registry
    21 ‘‘(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national med22
    ical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the
    23 ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and
    24 outcomes data on each device that—
    25 ‘‘(A) is or has been used in or on a patient; and

    1 ‘‘(B) is—
    2 ‘‘(i) a class III device; or
    3 ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable,
    4 life-supporting, or life-sustaining.

    now that my friends is the RFID chip hidden in a bunch of nonunderstandable language just look at the key word “implantable” again do not take the chips that is the mark of the beast.

  • Doc Sarvis

    RFID chips are not life supporting or life sustaining, #4 from what you pasted.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Doc(?) Sarvis,
      I can see you are not a medical doctor as one would be able to decern that there are 3 distinct DIFFERENT classes of devices listed above. Only ONE says life sustaining or supporting!

      • Doc Sarvis

        By my reading of this snippet the device would have to meet all criteria.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Of course it will cost a lot more than the Democraps say, or said, that it will cost. So why should we be surprised? …..There are also 2 questions which liberals/democraps, even some of those commenting on this site, fail to answer…..First, if government health care is such a good thing, why is it that people from nations like England or Canada (those who can afford to) come to the USA for health care? When I lived in Florida, my next-door neighbors were 6-month Canadian/Florida residents. They were there not just for the sunshine, but for health care which they could not get in Ontario. This woman was only about 55, but terminally ill with cancer…..Secondly, if Canadian style health care is so great, why will the democraps in Congress exempt themselves from it?? Hmmmm?? Just think of the Bible – Matthew 23:4 and Luke 11:46 – and you’ll see what a bunch of phony elite hypocrites the leftwing statists really are. And it’s not just health care. The wealthy phony democraps want to tax us to death while they cheat on their own taxes!! THE DEMOCRAPS NEED TO BE DEFEATED IN 2010, 2012 AND BEYOND!!

  • JeffH

    Schoen: Strong ‘Anti-Obama Vote’ in Results
    Tuesday, 18 May 2010 10:53 PM Article Font Size

    Democratic pollster Doug Schoen told Fox News Tuesday night that election results are showing a strong “anti-Washington” and “anti-Obama” vote.

    With news that Obama-backed Arlen Specter was defeated and tea party favorite Rand Paul won, Schoen suggested that establishment candidates will be under fire this November.

    He said that the tea party’s power “can’t be underestimated” and that Paul’s election shows the level of anger among grass-roots Republicans
    to the party’s leadership in Washington.

    Still, he said the GOP should benefit this November because the Democrats control Congress and the White House.

    Schoen said if the Democrats don’t move quickly to the center, they are “going to pay a huge price” in Congressional elections.

  • Antonio

    RFID Chips Are Here
    Scott Granneman, 2003-06-26
    RFID chips are being embedded in everything from jeans to paper money, and your privacy is at stake.

    “ Right now, you can buy a hammer, a pair of jeans, or a razor blade with anonymity. With RFID tags, that may be a thing of the past. ”
    Bar codes are something most of us never think about. We go to the grocery store to buy dog food, the checkout person runs our selection over the scanner, there’s an audible beep or boop, and then we’re told how much money we owe. Bar codes in that sense are an invisible technology that we see all the time, but without thinking about what’s in front of our eyes.

    Bar codes have been with us so long, and they’re so ubiquitous, that its hard to remember that they’re a relatively new technology that took a while to catch on. The patent for bar codes was issued in 1952. It took twenty years before a standard for bar codes was approved, but they still didn’t catch on. Ten years later, only 15,000 suppliers were using bar codes. That changed in 1984. By 1987 – only three years later! – 75,000 suppliers were using bar codes. That’s one heck of a growth curve.

    So what changed in 1984? Who, or what, caused the change?

    Wal-Mart.

    When Wal-Mart talks, suppliers listen. So when Wal-Mart said that it wanted to use bar codes as a better way to manage inventory, bar codes became de rigeur. If you didn’t use bar codes, you lost Wal-Mart’s business. That’s a death knell for most of their suppliers.

    The same thing is happening today. I’m here to tell you that the bar code’s days are numbered. There’s a new technology in town, one that at first blush might seem insignificant to security professionals, but it’s a technology that is going to be a big part of our future. And how do I know this? Pin it on Wal-Mart again; they’re the big push behind this new technology.

    So what is it? RFID tags.

    RFID 101

    Invented in 1969 and patented in 1973, but only now becoming commercially and technologically viable, RFID tags are essentially microchips, the tinier the better. Some are only 1/3 of a millimeter across. These chips act as transponders (transmitters/responders), always listening for a radio signal sent by transceivers, or RFID readers. When a transponder receives a certain radio query, it responds by transmitting its unique ID code, perhaps a 128-bit number, back to the transceiver. Most RFID tags don’t have batteries (How could they? They’re 1/3 of a millimeter!). Instead, they are powered by the radio signal that wakes them up and requests an answer.

    Most of these “broadcasts” are designed to be read between a few inches and several feet away, depending on the size of the antenna and the power driving the RFID tags (some are in fact powered by batteries, but due to the increased size and cost, they are not as common as the passive, non-battery-powered models). However, it is possible to increase that distance if you build a more sensitive RFID receiver.

    RFID chips cost up to 50 cents, but prices are dropping. Once they get to 5 cents each, it will be cost-efficient to put RFID tags in almost anything that costs more than a dollar.

    Who’s using RFID?

    RFID is already in use all around us. Ever chipped your pet dog or cat with an ID tag? Or used an EZPass through a toll booth? Or paid for gas using ExxonMobils’ SpeedPass? Then you’ve used RFID.

    Some uses, especially those related to security, seem like a great idea. For instance, Delta is testing RFID on some flights, tagging 40,000 customer bags in order to reduce baggage loss and make it easier to route bags if customers change their flight plans.

    Three seaport operators – who account for 70% of the world’s port operations – agreed to deploy RFID tags to track the 17,000 containers that arrive each day at US ports. Currently, less than 2% are inspected. RFID tags will be used to track the containers and the employees handling them.

    The United States Department of Defense is moving into RFID in order to trace military supply shipments. During the first Gulf War, the DOD made mistakes in its supply allocation. To streamline operations, the U.S. military has placed RFID tags on 270,000 cargo containers and tracks those shipments throughout 40 countries.

    On a smaller level, but one that will instantly resonate with security pros, Star City Casino in Sydney, Australia placed RFID tags in 80,000 employee uniforms in order to put a stop to theft. The same idea would work well in corporate PCs, networking equipment, and handhelds.

    In all of these cases, RFID use seems reasonable. It is non-intrusive, and it seems to balance security and privacy. Other uses for RFID, however, may be troublesome.

    Visa is combining smart cards and RFID chips so people can conduct transactions without having to use cash or coins. These smart cards can also be incorporated into cell phones and other devices. Thus, you could pay for parking, buy a newspaper, or grab a soda from a vending machine without opening your wallet. This is wonderfully convenient, but the specter of targeted personal ads popping up as I walk through the mall, a la Minority Report, does not thrill me.

    Michelin, which manufactures 800,000 tires a day, is going to insert RFID tags into its tires. The tag will store a unique number for each tire, a number that will be associated with the car’s VIN (Vehicle Identification Number). Good for Michelin, and car manufacturers, and fighting crime. Potentially bad for you. Who will assure your privacy? Do you really want your car’s tires broadcasting your every move?

    The European Central Bank may embed RFID chips in the euro note. Ostensibly to combat counterfeiters and money-launderers, it would also enable banks to count large amounts of cash in seconds. Unfortunately, such a move would also makes it possible for governments to track the passage of cash from individual to individual. Cash is the last truly anonymous way to buy and sell. With RFID tags, that anonymity would be gone. In addition, banks would not be the only ones who could in an instant divine how much cash you were carrying; criminals can also obtain power transceivers.

    Several major manufacturers and retailers expect RFID tags to aid in managing the supply chain, from manufacturing to shipping to stocking store shelves, including Gillette (which purchased 500 million RFID tags for its razors), Home Depot, The Gap, Proctor & Gamble, Prada, Target, Tesco (a United Kingdom chain), and Wal-Mart. Especially Wal-Mart.

    The retail giant, the largest employer in America, is working with Gillette to create “smart shelves” that can alert managers and stockboys to replenish the supply of razors. More significantly, Wal-Mart intends for its top 100 suppliers to fully support RFID for inventory tracking by 2005. Wal-Mart would love to be able to point an RFID reader at any of the 1 billion sealed boxes of widgets it receives every year and instantly know exactly how many widgets it has. No unpacking, no unnecessary handling, no barcode scanners required.

    RFID Issues

    Right now, you can buy a hammer, a pair of jeans, or a razor blade with anonymity. With RFID tags, that may be a thing of the past. Some manufacturers are planning to tag just the packaging, but others will also tag their products. There is no law requiring a label indicating that an RFID chip is in a product. Once you buy your RFID-tagged jeans at The Gap with RFID-tagged money, walk out of the store wearing RFID-tagged shoes, and get into your car with its RFID-tagged tires, you could be tracked anywhere you travel. Bar codes are usually scanned at the store, but not after purchase. But RFID transponders are, in many cases, forever part of the product, and designed to respond when they receive a signal. Imagine everything you own is “numbered, identified, catalogued, and tracked.” Anonymity and privacy? Gone in a hailstorm of invisible communication, betrayed by your very property.

    But let’s not stop there. Others are talking about placing RFID tags into all sensitive or important documents: “it will be practical to put them not only in paper money, but in drivers’ licenses, passports, stock certificates, manuscripts, university diplomas, medical degrees and licenses, birth certificates, and any other sort of document you can think of where authenticity is paramount.” In other words, those documents you’re required to have, that you can’t live without, will be forever tagged.

    Consider the human body as well. Applied Digital Solutions has designed an RFID tag – called the VeriChip – for people. Only 11 mm long, it is designed to go under the skin, where it can be read from four feet away. They sell it as a great way to keep track of children, Alzheimer’s patients in danger of wandering, and anyone else with a medical disability, but it gives me the creeps. The possibilities are scary. In May, delegates to the Chinese Communist Party Congress were required to wear an RFID-equipped badge at all times so their movements could be tracked and recorded. Is there any doubt that, in a few years, those badges will be replaced by VeriChip-like devices?

    Surveillance is getting easier, cheaper, smaller, and ubiquitous. Sure, it’s possible to destroy an RFID tag. You can crush it, puncture it, or microwave it (but be careful of fires!). You can’t drown it, however, and you can’t demagnetize it. And washing RFID-tagged clothes won’t remove the chips, since they’re specifically designed to withstand years of wearing, washing, and drying. You could remove the chip from your jeans, but you’d have to find it first.

    That’s why Congress should require that consumers be notified about products with embedded RFID tags. We should know when we’re being tagged. We should also be able to disable the chips in our own property. If it’s the property of the company we work for, that’s a different matter. But if it’s ours, we should be able to control whether tracking is enabled.

    Security professionals need to realize that RFID tags are dumb devices. They listen, and they respond. Currently, they don’t care who sends the signal. Anything your companies’ transceiver can detect, the bad guy’s transceiver can detect. So don’t be lulled into a false sense of security.

    With RFID about to arrive in full force, don’t be lulled at all. Major changes are coming, and not all of them will be positive. The law of unintended consequences is about to encounter surveillance devices smaller than the period at the end of this sentence.
    Scott Granneman teaches at Washington University in St. Louis, consults for WebSanity, and writes for SecurityFocus and Linux Magazine. His latest book, Linux Phrasebook, is in stores now.

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    AN IDEA FROM DARK,SUPPOSE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SENT ALL THEIR ELECTED REPRESENTIVES ( NOTICES OF TERMINATION OF EMPLOYMENT) AND LISTED THAT SINCE YOU REFUSE TO DO AS INSTRUCTED,THAT YOU WILL BE DISMISSED NEXT ELECTION AND WILL BE BANNED FROM HOLDING ANY PUBLIC OFFICE AGAIN IN THIS NATION,HOW DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD TAKE THAT AND ALL YOUR BENEFITS WILL NO BE PAYED, ALL THEIR OFFICE WINDOWS WOULD HAVE TO BE WELDED SHUT,SO THEY COULD NOT KILL THE INNOCENT,WHEN THEY JUMPED OUT OF THEIR PUBLIC OFFICES ON TO THE STREETS BELOW,IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN,BUT JUST A THOUGHT,IVE BEEN LISTENING TO AMERICAN LIBERAL TOO MUCH,HELP IS THERE A CURE FOR THIS? HA ,HA,HA, YES LAUGHTER.

  • http://www.torontocarforums.com/tags/bomb.html lol epic fail

    According to Bloomberg, Porsche has recorded nearly 900 potential buyers for the 918 Spyder. Wolfgang Duerheimer, development chief for Porsche, said in an interview, “I’m confident that we will soon reach the threshold of 1,000,” he said in an April 24 interview. “We need 1,000 seriously interested people to make a sound business case.”

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